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WELL, WELCOME TO THE, UH, JULY 18TH, UH, 2023 MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION.THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARDSON RESIDENCE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES ON THE COMMISSION.
ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS.
IN THE CASE OF THE ABSENCE OF A REGULAR MEMBER, A DESIGNATED ALTERNATE WILL VOTE ON THE ISSUE.
UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE SIX COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE, SO ALL WILL BE VOTING TONIGHT.
UH, THIS MEETING IS A BUSINESS MEETING AND WILL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH IN THAT REGARD.
AS A COURTESY, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, WE REQUEST THAT ALL DEVICES THAT EMITS SOUND BE TURNED OFF OR ADJUSTED.
SO AS NOT TO INTERRUPT THIS MEETING, OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED.
SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.
UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA OF PUBLIC HEARING.
EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.
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THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN GATHERING NEW AND RELEVANT INFORMATION.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN REPETITION.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, UH, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
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[1. Approval of minutes of the regular business meeting of June 20, 2023.]
UH, OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF JUNE 20TH, 2023.HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO, UH, MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
AND SECOND, COMMISSIONER SUTHER.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[2. Zoning File 23-06 – Planned Development – UTD/Points at Waterview TOD PD: Consider and act on a request to rezone approximately 36 acres located on the south side of Waterview Parkway, generally east of the Frankford Road intersection and bounded by the DART Silver Line to the south, from TO-M Technical Office and PD Planned Development to PD Planned Development for the development of a transit-oriented mixed-use development. Property Owner: Jim Leslie, representing 3400 Waterview LLC and Dr. Calvin Jamison, representing University of Texas at Dallas. Staff: Chris Shacklett]
ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING.THIS IS ZONING FILE 23 DASH OH SIX.
IT'S PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR U T D POINTS OF WATERVIEW, T O D, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO TURN IT OVER TO MR. SHACKLET.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZO APPROXIMATELY 36 ACRES FROM, UH, T O M TECHNICAL OFFICE AND PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, INTO A NEW PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW A TRANSIT ORIENTED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROPERTIES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WATERVIEW PARKWAY.
UH, GENERALLY EAST OF THE INTERSECTION WITH FRANKFORD ROAD, UH, BOUNDED BY THE DART SILVER LINE TO THE SOUTH.
UH, PROPERTY IS, UH, IT'S A JOINT APPLICATION BETWEEN, UH, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, DALLAS, AND 3,400 WATERVIEW, L L C.
UH, THE UTD OWNED PROPERTY IS LISTED THERE AS A 21 ACRE, UH, PROPERTY NAMED THE U T D TRACT, UH, WITH THE REMAINING 15 ACRE TRACT SHOWN HERE AS THE WOLVERINE TRACT.
UM, THE, UH, U T D TRACT IS ACTUALLY PART OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016.
UH, THAT INCLUDED MUCH OF THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DART SILVER LINE, WHICH IS NOW, UH, BEEN DEVELOPED AS THE NORTH SIDE AT U T D DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AGAIN, THAT TRACT ALLOWS, UH, SIMILAR, UH, USES SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA TO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, UH, THE WESTERN 15 ACRES, UH, ZONE TM TECHNICAL OFFICE ALLOWS A VARIETY OF, UH, OFFICE USES AS AND IS DEVELOPED WITH A 209,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING.
UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS DEVELOPED AS, UH, VARIOUS OFFICE AND MEDICAL OFFICE, UH, AND HAS ZONED TECHNICAL OFFICE AS WELL AS, UH, PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, SHOWN THERE AS PD 44 44.
UH, PROPERTY OF THE SOUTH IS DEVELOPED AS OFFICE, AS WELL AS THE NORTH SIDE OF U T D DEVELOPMENT.
UH, TO THE EAST IS THE GULF RANCH PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS OWNED BY, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE UNIVERSITY AND TO THE WEST ARE VARIOUS OFFICE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THE WOLVERINE TRACT, WHICH IS THE WESTERN 15 ACRES, WAS ZONED TECHNICAL OFFICE IN 1997 AND DEVELOPED IN 1998 WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING.
UH, AGAIN, THE EASTERN TRACKED, OR THE UTD TRACT WAS ZONED PD IN 2016 TO ALLOW, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROMOTING UNIVERSITY ORIENTED URBAN DESTINATION, UH, ALLOWING A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL RETAIL OFFICE AND UNIVERSITY ORIENTED USES.
AGAIN, IT'S A PORTION OF THE, UH, NORTHSIDE AT, AT UTD, UH, PD, SAME PD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, UM, SINCE 2015, UM, IN TWO PHASES, UH, WITH OVER 1200 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, APPROXIMATELY 30,000
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SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL RESTAURANT AND OFFICE SPACE, AS WELL AS MULTIPLE OPEN SPACE USES.UH, THE DART SILVER LINE, UH, WHICH RUNS ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THIS, UH, SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE UT UH, DALLAS STATION ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, LOCATED AGAIN ALONG THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
UH, THE EXPECTED OPENING, UH, IN 20 25, 26, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST OF SIX EXHIBITS THAT WILL BE WITHIN THE PD.
UH, THIS SHOWS THE ENTIRETY OF THE 36 ACRES AND THE SEVEN DEVELOPMENT PARCELS.
UH, ON THIS EXHIBIT, YOU WILL SEE EACH USE OR EACH DEVELOPMENT PARCEL WITH ACTUAL, UH, POSSIBLE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS.
NOW, THIS IS NOT THE FULL, UH, DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS, BUT IT DOES SHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBILITY JUST SO YOU CAN SEE IT, RATHER THAN A, AS JUST A LARGE GRAY BLOCK, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT TWO EXHIBITS.
UH, WITHIN THIS, UH, WITHIN THIS, UH, 36 ACRES, UH, THERE'S A PROPOSED USE AND MAX DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR UP TO 4,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH CAN INCLUDE APARTMENTS, UH, ASSISTED LIVING IN INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES, AS WELL AS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ATTACHED, UH, TOWN HOMES.
UH, ALSO ALLOWS FOR 500,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND TWO HOTELS THAT CAN HAVE UP TO 300 ROOMS IN EACH HOTEL.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UNIVERSITY ORIENTED USES PUBLIC BUILDINGS, UH, MUSEUMS, THEATERS, UH, AND, UH, OTHER SIMILAR USES WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, AS WELL AS AN EVENT CENTER.
NOW, UH, A PUBLICLY OR UNIVERSITY DEVELOPED EVENT CENTER WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, BY RIGHT, BUT WOULD REQUIRE REVISED TIA TO UNDERSTAND THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
UH, IT WOULD ALSO, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ALSO ALLOW FOR A PUBLIC OR A PRIVATELY DEVELOPED EVENT CENTER.
HOWEVER, THAT WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT ALONG WITH AN UPDATED TIA.
SO THAT MEANS IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL.
UH, AN ADDITIONAL USE THAT'S ALLOWED BY SPECIAL PERMIT ONLY WOULD BE FOR DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, DRIVE-THROUGHS AREN'T TYPICALLY SEEN AS BEING CONSISTENT WITH TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, BUT, UH, IN THIS CASE, THERE MAY BE A SPECIFIC LOCATION AT SOME TIME THAT A DRIVE-THROUGH FITS WITHIN THE CONTEXT.
IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEY COULD COME BACK, REQUEST A SPECIAL PERMIT.
AGAIN, CPC RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, UH, WITHIN THE PD, A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 250 FEET WOULD BE ALLOWED.
UH, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED ON THE UTD TRACT.
UH, THE WOLVERINE TRACT IS CURRENTLY LIMITED TO 130 FEET BASED ON THE TECHNICAL OFFICE, UH, ZONING DESIGNATION.
AND THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'D BE A MINIMUM OF 15% OF OPEN SPACE OR LANDSCAPE REQUIRED, UM, RELATED TO SOME, UH, TRAFFIC MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WITHIN THE TIA, THERE WERE, UM, SOME REQUIREMENTS STATED THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF THE DEVELOPER TO BE MADE.
THERE WERE ALSO OTHER ONES THAT, UM, THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD STATED.
IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THAT OF THE DEVELOPER.
UH, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS HERE.
SO FIRST WOULD BE, UH, THE RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, ON WATERVIEW PARKWAY GOING, UH, SOUTHBOUND ONTO STREET D THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME.
STREET D IS CONSTRUCTED AND CONNECTED TO WATERVIEW.
UH, ONE THING I DID NOT MENTION IS, UH, IN THE WORK SESSION WAS THAT THERE WOULD ALSO BE THE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, REFUGE ISLANDS AT THAT RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROVIDES SOMEBODY THAT'S, UH, WALKING THROUGH THAT AREA AS THEY CROSS THAT RIGHT TURN LANE TO GET INTO A ISLAND THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU ADD THE RIGHT TURN LANE, YOU CREATE A LONGER DISTANCE THAT SOMEBODY MAY BE, UH, MAKING A CROSSING.
SO THAT WOULD ALSO BE A REQUIREMENT OF THAT, UH, THAT RIGHT TURN LANE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A DIVERTER TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS SHOWN THERE, UH, AT STREET E WHERE IT CONNECTS TO WATERVIEW PARKWAY.
UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR LEFT TURNS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WOULD NOT ALLOW, UH, LEFT TURNS OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND BECAUSE AT, BECAUSE THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE UNSIGNED, AND BECAUSE IT IS A SIX LANE ROAD MAKING LEFT TURNS, UH, OUT OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT HERE AND THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, UH, IT WOULD CREATE, UH, IT COULD CREATE A SITUATION WHERE, UH, A VEHICLE'S CROSSING, YOU KNOW, THREE, THREE OR MORE LANES OF TRAFFIC, UM, TO GET TO THAT OTHER SIDE.
AND WITH SOME OF THE SPEEDS ALONG THERE, IT COULD CREATE A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
SO THERE IS THE, UH, REQUIREMENT IN HERE FOR THAT, UH, DIVERTER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WANNA SHOW THIS AERIAL MAP, UH, AS WELL TO SHOW THREE ADDITIONAL INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE STUDIED AS PART OF THE TIA.
THE FIRST ONE, LABELED NUMBER ONE IS THE INTERSECTION OF SYNERGY PARK BOULEVARD AND FLOYD ROAD.
UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL CONTRIBUTE ABOUT 5% OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, IN THE FUTURE TO THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, WHILE WE, UH, IN THE PAST, UH, HAVE HAD, UH, ESCROW, UH, DEVELOPERS ESCROW FOR THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE COST OF A SIGNAL, UH, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THAT SIGNAL IS ALREADY, UH, PROGRAMMED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND WOULD, UH, RATHER HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER MITIGATIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
UM, THE SECOND ONE, BEING THERE AT WATERVIEW AND RENNER, UH, THE TIA SHOWED THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT'S TRAFFIC WILL CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO DELAYS FOR SOUTHBOUND WATERVIEW TRAFFIC DUE TO THE LACK OF CAPACITY FOR LEFT TURN LANES, UH, FROM SOUTHBOUND WATERVIEW TO EASTBOUND RENNER.
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MITIGATION IS FOR THE ADDITION OF A SECOND LEFT TURN LANE GOING FROM SOUTHBOUND WATERVIEW TO WEST OR TO EASTBOUND RENNER TO PROVIDE MORE, UH, MORE CAPACITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN THOSE LEFT TURN LANES AND NOT, NOT START TO BACK UP INTO THE MAIN, UH, TRAVEL LANES FOR VEHICLES MOVING SOUTH TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT.UH, THE THIRD INTERSECTION MARKED THERE IS ACTUALLY THE WESTBOUND, UH, P G B T FRONTAGE ROAD AT, UH, WATERVIEW INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY.
UH, THE TIA TIA A SHOWED THAT THAT INTERSECTION ALREADY OPERATES AT A, AT A FAILING LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE PEAK HOUR, UH, AND WOULD CONTINUE TO DO SO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL RIGHT TURN AND LEFT TURN LANES THERE.
UH, HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT MADE THIS A RECOMMENDATION OF THIS OR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE, UH, ONE, IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, A HALF MILE NORTHEAST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND TWO, IT'S LOCATED WITHIN TEXT STOP RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF COORDINATION.
UM, SO, UH, WE DO SUGGEST THAT THERE WOULD BE FUTURE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND CITY OF PLANO TO DETERMINE IN THE FUTURE IF MITIGATION IS NECESSARY THERE, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A CONDITION, UH, OF THIS APPROVAL.
UH, THESE NEXT TWO EXHIBITS REFLECT, UH, THE SITE, WHAT'S CALLED THE SITE AND PARCEL DATA EXHIBITS.
SO, UH, B2 REPRESENTS THE FOUR DEVELOPMENT PARCELS, A THROUGH D ON THE U T D TRACT, UH, RANGING ANYWHERE FROM TWO AND A HALF ACRES TO A LITTLE OVER FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.
UH, THIS PLAN REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 19.1% LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE AREA, UH, ON THESE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS AS WELL AS E, F AND G TO THE WEST.
UH, BUILD TWO ZONES WOULD BE REQUIRED OF A MINIMUM OF, UH, MINIMUM BUILD TWO LINE OF ZERO, UH, FEET, WITH A MAXIMUM BUILD TWO LINE OF 20 FEET ALONG ALL INTERNAL STREETS.
SO ESSENTIALLY THAT REQUIRES A BUILDING TO BE BUILT WITHIN, UH, WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE BACK OF THE 20 FOOT PEDESTRIAN WAYS SHOWN ON THE STREET SECTIONS.
UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A PERCENTAGE IN THERE THAT'D BE FOR A MINIMUM 70% OF THE WIDTH OF THE LOT.
SO, UH, WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRESCRIBING THAT BUILDINGS ARE BUILT UP CLOSE TO THE STREET, CREATING A MORE URBAN, UM, UH, STREET SCAPE THROUGH THERE FOR A MAJORITY OF THE, UH, THE, THE LENGTH OF A LOT'S FRONTAGE, UH, BUILD TWO ZONES WOULD ALSO APPLY ALONG WATERVIEW PARKWAY, HOWEVER, THOSE WOULD BE ZERO TO 60 FEET TO ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY ALONG WATERVIEW, SINCE IT WON'T HAVE THAT SAME, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT SAME URBAN FEEL AS YOU HAVE, UH, COMPARED TO INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO UTILIZE A PARKING RATIO FOR MULTIFAMILY OF 0.8 SPACES PER BEDROOM.
UH, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE THAT APPROVED THAT AT, UM, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AT, UH, THE GALLATIN PARK, THE TWO, UH, APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS OVER THERE NEAR THE GALLATIN PARK STATION, AS WELL AS ONE OF THE PHASES AT, UH, NORTH SIDE TO THE SOUTH THERE.
UH, NOW THEY ARE REQUESTING TO UTILIZE A RATIO OF TWO SPACES PER UNIT FOR THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, UH, OF THE 4,000 UNITS ALLOWED.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO ALLOW, UH, UP TO 15% OF THOSE TO BE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS. UM, AND AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, STAFF HAS SUGGESTED THAT THAT BE, UH, THAT 0.8 PER BEDROOM STILL REMAIN JUST TO ENSURE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THOSE UNITS.
UH, IF SINGLE FAMILIES TO BE BUILT.
THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR TWO SPACES PER UNIT WITHIN AN ENCLOSED GARAGE, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF ALL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR MOST SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN RICHARDSON.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A SLIGHTLY REDUCED PARKING RATIO FOR THE HOTELS.
POINT SEVEN FIVE SPACES PER ROOM.
STANDARD RATIO IS ONE SPACE PER ROOM FOR LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS AND ONE AND A QUARTER FOR FULL SERVICE HOTELS.
ALTHOUGH, UH, ONE OF THE MORE RECENTLY APPROVED HOTELS IN RICHARDSON DID, UH, RECEIVE A, UH, A REDUCED RATIO OF 0.8 SPACES PER ROOM.
SO, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE LOCATION OF THIS HOTEL, UH, THE APPLICANT FEELS THAT A LOT OF THOSE PATRONS OF THAT HOTEL WOULD BE UTILIZING THE DART OR OTHER RIDE SHARE SERVICES TO, UH, GO TO AND FROM THE HOTEL AND MAY NOT NEED THE, UH, SAME, SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES, UH, FOR A HOTEL THAT MAY NOT BE LOCATED AT A DART STATION.
AND THEN LASTLY, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO UTILIZE A PARKING RATIO OF ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 300 SQUARE FEET FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO FOR YOUR OFFICE, RETAIL RESTAURANT USES, AS WELL AS OTHER ALLOWABLE USES.
UH, EXHIBIT B3 IS, UH, SIMILAR TO B2.
IT'S JUST SHOWING FOR THE THREE PARCELS ON THE WOLVERINE TRACK RANGING AIR FROM, UH, 2.1 ACRES UP TO 4.7 ACRES, UH, THIS SIDE SHOWING APPROXIMATELY 15.3% LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE, UH, AND WOULD UTILIZE THE SAME, UH, BUILD TWO ZONES AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE, UM, THAT WERE SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
UH, THESE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES SHOW, UM, THE STREET SECTIONS.
UH, AND WHAT THESE DO IS THIS REALLY SETS THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
SO, LOOKING AT THIS PD, ALTHOUGH NOT FULLY A, NOT A FULL FORM BASED CODE, DOES HAVE THOSE ELEMENTS WHERE IT REALLY FOCUSES ON THE STREETS AND THE PEDESTRIAN REALMS ALONG THE STREETS, AND HOW THE BUILDINGS RELATE TO THOSE, UM, PEDESTRIAN AREAS AND THE STREETS, WITH REALLY MORE OF A SECONDARY FOCUS ON A SEPARATION OF USES.
NOW, THIS CODE STILL HAS A LIMITED, UH, SET OF LAND USE THAT'S ALLOWED, BUT IT DOESN'T PRESCRIBE THAT PARCEL.
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A IS ONLY ALLOWED FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND PARCEL B IS ONLY ALLOWED FOR RETAIL.IT ALLOWS, UH, THOSE BUILDINGS TO CHANGE OVER TIME TO SORT OF MEET FUTURE, UH, DEMAND SHIFTS IN THE MARKET.
SO, UH, THIS AGAIN, REALLY CREATES THE FRAMEWORK FOR HOW THE STREETS ARE LAID OUT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'RE LAID OUT.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESCRIBES, UH, THE STREET WIDTH, UH, IN THESE STREETS ARE ALL GOING TO BE EITHER 24 FOOT WIDE OR 30 FOOT WIDE STREETS, UH, WITH ONE, UH, ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
UH, SOME STREETS WILL HAVE PARALLEL PARKING ON ONE SIDE.
UH, SOME WILL HAVE PARALLEL PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
THIS IS, UM, SECTIONS ONE AND TWO OF STREET A.
SO THIS IS RUNNING, UH, FROM WEST TO EAST ALONG THE DART SILVER LINE.
AS YOU'LL SEE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PARALLEL PARKING ADJACENT TO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS, BUT NOT ALONG THE, NOT ALONG THE, UH, UH, THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THOSE STREETS.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE WILL BE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN WAYS, UH, PARKING, AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE ZONES.
AS YOU MOVE TO SECTION TWO, YOU START TO MOVE INTO THE AREA WHERE THE, UH, THE, THE DART STATION WILL BE LOCATED AS WE CONTINUE MOVING EASTWARD FROM THE, UH, THE DART STATION.
SECTION THREE, UH, IS SHOWING HOW THOSE BUILDINGS RELATE TO THE STREET, AND ULTIMATELY WHERE THE BUSES, UH, WILL, WILL DROP OFF AND PICK UP.
AND THEN SECTION FOUR IS, UH, AS THE STREET WRAPS AROUND BACK TO THE NORTH AND CONNECTS OUT TO, UM, TO WATERVIEW PARKWAY.
UM, NEXT EXHIBIT C2 IS FOR STREETS B, C, AND D.
THESE ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE WOLVERINE TRACK.
UH, STREETS B AND C REPRESENT INTERNAL STREETS, WHILE STREET D UH, REPRESENTS THE EXTENSION OF, UH, RUT AVENUE FROM THE SOUTH.
UM, SO CONNECTING FROM THE U T D CAMPUS ACROSS SYNERGY PARK, ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE NORTH SIDE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN NORTH ACROSS THE SILVER LINE, CONNECTING ULTIMATELY OUT TO, UH, WATERVIEW PARKWAY AT A, UM, SIGNALED INTERSECTION.
AND THEN LASTLY, THESE ARE THE STREETS LOCATED WITHIN THE UTD TRACK.
STREETS E AND F ARE INTERNAL STREETS.
THESE ARE GONNA DEFINITELY BE MORE OF, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED STREETS WITH THE, THE NARROWER 24 FOOT STREET SECTION, PARALLEL PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, AND THEN BUILDINGS ON BOTH SIDES AS WELL, SORT OF FRAMING THAT, UH, THAT PEDESTRIAN REALM THROUGH THERE.
AGAIN, WITHIN THE ALL THE PEDESTRIAN WAYS, THAT'S WHERE SIDEWALKS WILL BE LOCATED.
BUT IT ALLOWS FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A MINIMUM OF UNOBSTRUCTED AREA OF 10 FEET, YOU CAN HAVE STREET TREES, STREET FURNITURE, UH, OUTDOOR, UH, OUTDOOR DINING AREAS CAN BE, UH, INCLUDED IN ALL THOSE PEDESTRIAN WAYS.
AND THEN THE BUILDING CAN COME RIGHT UP TO THE BACK OF THAT PEDESTRIAN WAY, AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR ZERO FOOT BUILD TWO ZONE BEGINS.
SO AT, AT THAT POINT, THE BUILDING CAN KIND OF, UH, START AT THAT ZERO FOOT.
IT COULD GO ANYWHERE AS FAR BACK AS 20 FEET, SO IT CAN BE RIGHT AT THE BACK OF SIDEWALK.
IT ALLOWS IT TO ARTICULATE BACK AND FORTH, UH, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST.
AND REALLY IT WILL, UH, HELP IT TO COMPLY WITH MANY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THIS, UH, WITHIN THIS PD.
THE LAST STREET SECTION IS SHOWING WATERVIEW PARKWAY, UH, REALLY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE LEFT ON THERE.
THAT'S LARGELY HOW IT EXISTS TODAY.
UM, THERE'S NO MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED TO THAT STREET, BUT AS YOU MOVE IN TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, THERE WILL BE SOME, UM, ADDITION OF SIDEWALKS AND, AND A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT TO GO TO A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK THROUGH THERE.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY GOING TO THE BACK OF THAT OPEN SPACE ZONE WHERE THAT WATERVIEW PARKWAY BUILD TWO ZONE WILL BEGIN.
NOW THE FINAL EXHIBIT IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, ALTERNATIVE EXHIBIT, EXHIBIT D.
THIS, UM, THIS EXHIBIT IS INCLUDED TO REFLECT, UH, AN OPTION WHERE THE EXISTING 209,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING COULD REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE LOCATED WHERE PARCELS E AND F ARE LOCATED, UH, AT SUCH TIME, UH, PARCEL GE AND THE OPEN SPACE AREA IS TO BE DEVELOPED.
UH, APPROXIMATELY 700 PARKING SPACES FROM THIS CURRENT LOT WOULD BE REMOVED, UM, LEAVING THE SITE WITH ABOUT 358 PARKING SPACES.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT, THE AREA IS MARKED IN GRAY, WHERE AN ADDITIONAL 242 PARKING SPACES COULD BE ACCOMMODATED, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE THEM PROVIDING UP TO, UH, PARKING AT, UM, RIGHT AT 600 PARKING SPACES.
HOWEVER, UH, THE CURRENT PARK REQUIRED PARKING RATIO OF ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 300 SQUARE FEET, UH, THEY COULD NOT ACCOMMODATE, UH, THEY WOULD STILL BE SHORT ON PARKING.
SO THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, TO REDUCE THE PARKING RATIO FOR THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ONLY, UM, TO ONE SPACE, VERY 350 SQUARE FEET IN LIEU OF ONE TO 300.
UH, THEY HAVE STATED THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE NATURE OF THIS BEING A TRADITIONAL OFFICE BUILDING AND SORT OF THE WAY, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS HAVE GONE FOR, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT REALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE OFFICE, THEY DON'T NEED THE, THE HIGHER PARKING RATIOS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED OVER THE YEARS, UM, WITHIN THE CITY.
SO IF IT'S TO DEVELOP AS IF IT DEVELOPS AS PARCEL Z AND F AS SHOWN ON THE, THE KEY PLAN THERE, THEN THE ONE TO THREE 50 RATIO DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY OF THAT.
BUT IF IT REMAINS AND PARCEL G DEVELOPS THAN IT WOULD BE, UM, THEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED AS PRESENTED.
UH, LASTLY, I WANNA TALK ABOUT A FEW ITEMS TO CONSIDER.
UM, AS WE ALWAYS DISCUSS, IS, UH, OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND IS A DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN? UH, WELL, IN THIS CASE, THE U T D TRACT IS DESIGNATED AS TRANSIT VILLAGE, UH, AND HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ZONED IN ACCORDANCE WITH
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THE TRANSIT VILLAGE IN 2016.UH, SO IT ALLOWS MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS RETAIL RESTAURANT, UH, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT, HOSPITALITY, AND OFFICE USES.
SO REALLY, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ALREADY, IS ALREADY, UM, ENTITLED TO ALL OF THESE TYPES OF USES.
THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A CHANGE IN THE, THE DESIGN OF HOW THAT TRACK WOULD DEVELOP.
NOW, THE WESTERN 15 ACRES IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT, UH, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW OR DOES NOT CALL FOR RESIDENTIAL USES OR HOTEL USES.
HOWEVER, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A, A TRACK THAT IS DESIGNATED AS TRANSIT VILLAGE AND ALREADY ENTITLED, UM, TO, TO, UH, DEVELOP IN THAT FASHION AS WELL AS ITS VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE DART, UM, SILVER LINE STATION THERE, UH, IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, UH, A REZONING HERE, UM, TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES THE HOTEL USES AND THE HIGHER DENSITY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT.
UH, UH, LAST FEW ITEMS TO CONSIDER.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST FOR DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA, UH, PROXIMITY TO FIRE STATION THREE AT CUSTER AND LOOKOUT.
UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS CASES ABOUT EMERGENCY RESPONSE DELAYS, UM, POSSIBLE DUE TO THE DISTANCE AND INDIRECT ROUTES TO FIRE STATION THREE.
UH, THERE IS AN INCLUSION OF PUBLIC BUILDING, THOUGH ALLOWED WITH, AS A USE WITHIN THIS PD.
SO THAT COULD, UH, PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, FIRE STATION PROXIMITY, UH, CAPACITY FOR UTILITIES.
UH, THE EXPECTED FLOW FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, SANITARY SEWER FLOW CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE OVERALL SYSTEM OF THE CITY.
HOWEVER, THE ONSITE SANITARY SEWER LINE, UM, WHICH IS A NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT LINE, WILL LIKELY NEED TO BE UP UPGRADED, UH, EITHER MODIFIED OR FULLY REPLACED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ONSITE FLOW.
AND THAT WILL BE, THAT'S INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN SECTION 15 OF THE PD CONDITIONS.
UH, ADDITIONALLY AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WATER AND STORMWATER SYSTEM MAY ALSO BE, UH, REQUIRED AS THEY COME IN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS.
AND WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT, UM, WHAT THE DEMAND OF EACH OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT TYPES WOULD BE.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE MADE THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTED CONDITIONS IS THAT OF A PROPOSED PARKING RATIO, UH, OF 0.8 SPACE PER BEDROOM FOR ALL UNITS, NOT JUST THE ONE AND TWO BEDROOM, UH, UNITS.
UH, IF THE CPC, UH, DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CASE, UM, WE WOULD, UH, ASK THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHALL APPLY, AND THAT'S, THAT THE PD SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN EXHIBIT A.
THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE WRITTEN STANDARDS AS WELL AS ALL OF THE EXHIBITS WE'VE LOOKED AT.
AND, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANY MODIFICATIONS CAN BE MADE AS PART OF THE, UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
UM, LASTLY, WE, UH, DID SEND OUT NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
WE ALSO SENT OUT NOTICES TO ALL TENANTS WHO MAY HAVE THEIR, UH, THEIR, UH, THEIR CONFORMING RIGHTS COULD POSSIBLY BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
SO THAT REALLY, UH, THAT IS PER A RECENT SENATE BILL THAT WAS PASSED, UH, THAT TOOK EFFECT IMMEDIATELY IN JUNE.
UM, SO ALL THE TENANTS WITHIN THE BUILDING AT 3,400 WATERVIEW, UH, WERE NOTIFIED OF THIS ZONING REQUEST.
UH, IT APPEARS THEY'RE ALL OFFICE USERS, SO OFFICE WOULD STILL BE IN ALLOWED USE.
SO THEY, THAT LIKELY THE ZONING CHANGE WOULD NOT AFFECT THOSE RIGHTS.
BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID, UM, WE DID SEND THAT NOTICE OUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF IT.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE CALL FROM ONE 10 AND ASKING ABOUT IT, EXPLAINED WHAT IT WAS, AND THEY HAD NO CONCERN.
UH, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OTHER CORRESPONDENCE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE LETTER THAT WE DID RECEIVE FROM ONE RESIDENT WITH JUST SOME, UM, CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, USE OF THE PARKING FOR THE DART RAIL, AS WELL AS JUST LOOKING AT MAKING SURE, UH, THE CITY AS A WHOLE HAS ACCESS, UM, TO THAT DART STATION.
UH, WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH AN HOUR, UH, BRIEFING SESSION WHERE WE GOT TO ANSWER, I THINK ASK MOST, MOST OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, THE STAFF.
SO THIS IS, AND I'M JUST, IT'S A LITTLE CLOUDY ON THIS, UM, AND I MEANT TO ASK YOU THE LAST ONE, BUT WE KIND OF RAN OUT.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS IS APPROVAL OF A PLAN, BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AGAIN.
SO IF IT'S DEVELOPED IN A ACCORDANCE WITH THIS PD, YEAH, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STILL, THEY WOULD STILL COME BACK TO STAFF.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US WITH PLATS, SITE PLANS, LANDSCAPE PLANS, FULL CIVIL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT WE WOULD REVIEW AND APPROVE AT A STAFF LEVEL, EXCEPT FOR THE PLATS.
THERE WOULD BE PLATS THAT MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE, THE CPC FOR APPROVAL.
AND HOW WOULD WE ENFORCE ANY OF THE LIKE, KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE STUFF.
SO, SO THERE'S THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ARTICULATION OF THE BUILDING, HOW CORNERS MIGHT BE ACCENTED, THOSE SORTS OF, THE 50% GLAZING, THOSE ARE ALL, THOSE ARE ALL, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT'LL BE ENFORCED BY STAFF.
SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY BUILDING THAT'S BEEN BUILT AT IN THE NORTH SIDE AT UTD DEVELOPMENT, THEY WERE UNDER THIS SAME PD, WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE TWO BUILDINGS ALONG SYNERGY PARK, THE OTHER
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FIVE BUILDINGS THAT YOUR FOUR BUILDINGS YOU SEE HERE CLOSEST TO THE SILVER LINE, THEY WERE ALL DEVELOPED UNDER SIMILAR STANDARDS.AND SO EACH ONE OF THOSE CAME FORWARD TO US.
THEY MAY BRING US SOMETHING, WE SAY, HEY, THESE ARE ALL AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH THE CODE.
YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND FIX THAT.
AND THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SMALL SIGNAGE THING TOO, I THINK WE HAD TO APPROVE FOR THAT, RIGHT? SO, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T GET INTO IN HERE.
THEY HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS IN HERE.
SO THERE'S SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN CONFORMANCE TO OUR STANDARD CHAPTER 18, OUR SIGN CODE.
BUT, UH, MANY DEVELOPMENTS, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITHIN THE MAIN STREET CODE WITHIN CITYLINE AT EAST SIDE, THEY ALL HAVE THE ALLOWANCE FOR WHAT'S CALLED A MASTER SIGN PLAN.
SO IF THEY WANNA DEVIATE FROM OUR TYPICAL SIGN STANDARDS, THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A FULL SIGN PACKAGE SAYING, HERE'S WHERE WE THINK ALL OF OUR SIGNS ARE GONNA BE, TYPE, SIZE, YOU KNOW, LETTER STYLE, ALL THAT, THAT THAT ACTUALLY COME, DOES COME BEFORE THE CPC FOR APPROVAL.
AND THAT IS, THERE IS DISCRETION ON THAT.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT YOU HAVE DISCRETION ON THAT ONE.
OBVIOUSLY THE PLATS THAT COME FORWARD, UNLESS THERE'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE WITH THOSE, THOSE ARE MINISTERIAL IN NATURE, AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU DO HAVE TO APPROVE THOSE UNLESS THERE IS A TECHNICAL ISSUE WITH IT.
BUT JUST IN TERMS OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR AN, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT BUILDING LIKE YOU SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE AT U T D PORTION OF THE THIS PLAN, UH, THAT DOES NOT COME BACK BEFORE THE C THE CPC.
AND REALLY SINCE 2020, ALL DEVELOPMENT PLANS, UM, ARE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL.
IT'S, SO THERE'S A SECTION IN HERE THAT SPEAKS TO THAT, ALTHOUGH IF THAT SECTION WEREN'T IN THERE, IT WOULD STILL BE APPROVED THAT WAY.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF MAKING IT VERY CLEAR HOW THAT PROCESS WILL WORK.
WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, I WANT TO JUST, UH, SPEAK TO, UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UTD SITE HAS 250 FEET MAXIMUM AND THE WOLVERINE SITE HAS 130 FEET.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING, THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO TWO 50 FOR ALL OF IT.
AND, UH, DO YOU KNOW HOW, AND I MAY BE CATCHING YOU OFF GUARD HERE, BUT, UH, HOW THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, WHAT THE, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS? SO THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET THAT ARE ZONED TECHNICAL OFFICE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY UNDER THE SAME TECHNICAL OFFICE ZONING AS THE WOLVERINE TRACK.
THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE THE 130 FOOT, UM, THE AREA THAT PD 4 44 44.
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME HEIGHT THEY USED TO PRIOR TO THE REZONING, BUT BECAUSE THEY CAME IN WITH AN ACTUAL CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEY KNEW WE'RE DOING A FIVE STORY BUILDING HERE, A FIVE STORY BUILDING HERE, A FOUR STORY HOTEL HERE.
THEY HAD THEIR SPECIFIC HEIGHTS, WHICH WERE PROBABLY IN THE 75 FOOT RANGE.
UM, BUT REALLY, SO REALLY ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE ZONED INDUSTRIAL, THE, THE TYPICAL TALLEST TITLE OUT IS 130 FEET.
OUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS ALLOW ULTIMATELY UNLIMITED HEIGHT AS LONG AS BASED ON YOUR, SO THE FURTHER SETBACK YOU ARE FROM THE STREET, THE, THE, THE TALLER YOU CAN GO IN HEIGHT.
BUT, UM, THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR IN HEIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED.
AND AGAIN, MANY OTHER, UH, OF OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT'S, MOST NOTABLY CITYLINE IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, THEY'RE RIGHT AT 300, I THINK IN SOME OF THEIR, UM, SOME OF THEIR, UH, CHARACTER ZONES OVER THERE.
I THINK, I MEAN, A LOT OF THE IQ HAS NO HEIGHT LIMIT WHATSOEVER.
THAT'S YES, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT TOO.
UH, IT WAS ON PURPOSE FOR ENCOURAGING REDEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO, AND, AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THIS TOO, UH, IS JUST THE, IN ORDER TO GET TO THE 4,000 UNITS AND THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ON THE SITE, WERE THERE ANY RENDERINGS OR, UM, ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED ABOUT HOW TALL THOSE BUILDINGS WERE TO GET TO THAT NUMBER? WAS THAT, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS WERE AT 25 STORIES TO GET TO THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US WITH 4,000 UNITS AND 500,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, OR, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR INFORMATION THERE.
I THINK IT WAS DEFINITELY WANTING TO, UH, RETAIN THE RIGHTS THAT WERE ON THE UTD TRACT, BUT I KNOW THERE WERE SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS AND SOME PRELIMINARY RENDERINGS THAT WERE LOOKED AT.
AND THERE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME BUILDINGS IN THERE THAT WERE ACHIEVING WHAT, A 10 TO 12 STORY HEIGHT.
UH, MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS WERE, PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE STORIES WOULD MAYBE ASSISTED LIVING, MAYBE TYPICALLY ANYWHERE BEFORE A AGREEMENT.
AND YEAH, WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT.
UH, AND THEN CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE AGREEMENT, UH, WITH DART, UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, THE PARKING ARRANGEMENT? YES, I THINK THEY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK BETTER TO THAT.
I KNOW IT'S, THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT IN THE 2016 PD, UH, AND THAT WAS THAT FIRST PORTION OF THAT TO, UH, PROVIDE AT LEAST THE 150 PARKING SPACES.
UM, WHAT'S BEEN ADDED AS PART OF THIS IS, UH, APPARENTLY
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THERE'S BEEN SOME UPDATED AGREEMENTS BETWEEN DART AND U T D AND TALKS ABOUT, UM, DEVELOPING AN APPROPRIATE PLAN TO MEET FUTURE PARKING NEEDS.UH, THEY COULD PROBABLY SPEAK BETTER THOUGH, TO HOW THAT NUMBER, HOW THEY CAME TO THAT NUMBER AND HOW IT WAS DEVELOPED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE READY TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO, UH, WE WOULD ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO, UH, COME FORWARD AND, UH, MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION AGAIN.
JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, FOR THE RECORD.
UH, MY NAME IS, UH, JIM LESLIE.
I'M WITH WOLVERINE INTERESTS, AND YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WOLVERINE OVER THE LAST HOUR OR SO FROM CHRIS, BUT MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE WITH, UH, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION WITH WOLVERINE.
CHRISTIAN DOES IS WITH KIMBERLY HORN.
HE'S DONE ALL OUR TIA WORK, COY AND JEFF AND NOT, AND NIKA ARE WITH BASICALLY TALLY AND ASSOCIATES.
THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF THE WORK ON THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN HELPING US WRITE THE, THE PD.
AND THEN SCOTT AND SCOTT AND MAC ARE ALL WITH THE CITADEL.
THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH US, UM, ON HELPING US MAXIMIZE THE PROJECT THAT WE OWN.
THEY'VE DONE A LOT IN RICHARDSON.
I THINK YOU, YOU PROBABLY KNOW 'EM AND YOU CAN LOOK AT 'EM.
THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, SO YOU, THEY, THEY'RE PART OF THE TEAM.
AND THEN WOLVERINE, I'VE GOT, UH, MY PARTNER JOE JERNIGAN RIGHT HERE AND FAITH MANAGES THE BUILDING.
AND THEN NADIA IS ONE OF MY OTHER PARTNERS HERE AS WELL.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
THEY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
WE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER A PRETTY GOOD TEAM.
JOE AND I HAVE BEEN AROUND IN THE REAL ESTATE ARENA FOR, IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA FOR BASICALLY THE LAST 40 YEARS.
WE FOCUS RIGHT NOW REALLY ON THREE THINGS.
WE DO OWN A BUNCH OF, UH, SUBURBAN OFFICE BUILDINGS.
WE'RE PARTNERS IN A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET THROUGHOUT, UH, NORTH TEXAS.
WE HAVE PARTNERS INVOLVED IN ALL THOSE PROJECTS.
THE SECOND AREA IS WE DO A LOT OF THESE MIXED USE, UH, T O D DEVELOPMENTS.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OVER THE YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT TODAY.
AND THEN THE THIRD AREA IS WE DO SOME SINGLE TENANT, UH, LEASES AS WELL, WHICH I DON'T REALLY VIEW THAT AS A REAL ESTATE DEAL AS MUCH A FINANCING PLAY AS ANYTHING.
BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE AREAS WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON AS AN ORGANIZATION BY, UH, WAY OF BACKGROUND.
WE WERE INVOLVED AND, AND COY WAS TOO, WITH ADDISON CIRCLE, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT IN HER PREVIOUS LIFE.
THIS HAS GOT A LOT OF THE SAME ATTRIBUTES AS ADDISON CIRCLE.
WE THINK IT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT LIKE ADDISON CIRCLE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
WE'RE ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE, UM, LEGACY UP THERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
WE DIDN'T, WEREN'T INVOLVED ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE IN DOING THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE INVOLVED, UH, WITH THE DOWNTOWN PLANO.
THIS WAS IN A PREVIOUS LIFE BEFORE I HAD WOLVERINE.
AND THEN WE DEVELOPED FRISCO SQUARE, WHICH YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THERE.
SO THE GEOGRAPHICAL CENTER OF THE CITY OF FRISCO.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECTS ONE IN ALLEN TO HELP THEM RESTART THEIR DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN WERE ALSO INVOLVED WITH A PROJECT IN, UH, CORINTH TO HELP THEM, UH, CREATE A BIT OF A CITY CENTER AS AN ORGANIZATION.
SO WE, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, AROUND THE HORN QUITE A BIT.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS BEFORE.
WE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER THE RIGHT TEAM TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOOD FOR UTD.
AND JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, GOOD FOR DART AS WELL.
JAMESON SOME TIME AGO, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT HE WAS DOING AND WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO AND WHAT WOULD HELP MAKE THE THING EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL FOR DART AND FOR THE UNIVERSITY.
IT JUST SO HAPPENED IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING WOLVERINE.
AND WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND PURSUE IT.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME EASE WITH CITY STAFF AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT AND GOT THEIR INPUT.
AND YOU'VE HEARD THAT STORY FROM CHRIS OVER THE, OVER THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF OR SO.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE KNOW IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT, UM, WHAT KIND OF BUILDINGS YOU WOULD HAVE IF, IF YOU, HOW TALL THEY WOULD GO IF YOU DID THE WHOLE 4,000 UNITS ON THE PROJECT.
AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT PRACTICAL TO DO THAT CUZ YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ABOUT, UM, DENSITY OF ABOUT 110 UNITS PER ACRE TO MAKE THAT WORK.
AND YOU'D PROBABLY GO OVER THE TWO 50 NUMBER.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER HIT 4,000 UNITS, BUT IT THIS THING OF THE TIMEFRAME, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE AND WHAT YOU CAN DO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE KIND OF ASKED FOR THE 4,000.
I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET THE 4,000, BUT THAT'S IF WE DID EVERYTHING IN RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND I DON'T THINK I CAN THINK OF A SITE THAT WE WERE INVOLVED WITH WHERE WE HAD THAT KIND OF DENSITY, 110 UNITS PER ACRE.
TYPICALLY WE'LL DO THINGS AROUND
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50 TO 55 UNITS PER ACRE.THAT'S USUALLY KIND OF WHERE OUR DENSITY IS.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY CHANCE WE'LL HIT THE MAXIMUM ON ALL ALL OF THESE.
WE COULD HIT THE MAXIMUM IF WE DID ALL OFFICE, THE 500,000 SQUARE FEET IF WE DECIDE THAT WAS THE ROUTE TO GO.
BUT A LOT OF IT'S GONNA BE DEPENDENT UPON WHERE THE MARKET IS AND WHICH WAY THE MARKET TAKES US.
WE DO NOT ENVISION THESE UNITS WE'LL BE, UH, STUDENT HOUSING.
I THINK THAT CAME UP EARLIER AS WELL.
WE EXPECT THEM TO ALL BE TRADITIONAL INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS.
UH, I DON'T SEE US DOING MANY FOUR BEDROOM UNITS.
WE HAVEN'T DONE A FOUR BEDROOM UNIT FOR, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN WE DO DO A FEW THREES.
TYPICALLY OUR STRUCTURE'S BEEN 65, ONES 25, 60 5%, ONES 25% TWOS, 10% THREES.
THAT'S TYPICALLY THE STRUCTURE.
UH, IT MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT CAUSE THE MARKET MAY CHANGE IT SOMEWHAT, BUT THAT'S USUALLY WHERE WE WIND UP.
WE HAVE FOUND BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE HAS ACTUALLY GONE UP A LITTLE BIT CUZ THIS WORK FROM HOME IDEA AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, WHICH IS ALL FINE.
SO THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW ARE LOOKING AT AN ALLEN IN CORINTH THAT REALLY AVERAGED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
WE GOT SOME UNITS ARE AS BIG AS ALMOST 1600 FEET.
I THINK THE SMALLEST UNITS, 8, 863 SQUARE FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
BUT THAT MIGHT CHANGE IN THE YEAR 2032.
YOU DON'T KNOW NOW THE, THE PARKING RATIO THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S, IT'S UM, I KNOW CHRIS HAD TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE STAFF HAD LIKE TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, SOME DIFFERENT PARKING FOR THE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS.
THE THE, WE'RE NOT GONNA FALL ON OUR SWORD OVER THAT.
THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ECONOMIC ISSUE FOR US.
IT'S MORE OF WE JUST DON'T WANNA BUILD TOO MUCH PARKING AND EVERYBODY CAN TALK ABOUT ARE THERE GONNA BE CARS IN THE FUTURE OR HOW MANY CARS WILL BE THERE IN THE FUTURE.
THE BIG QUESTION THAT WE'VE HAD WITHIN OUR STAFF ORGANIZATIONALLY IS, OKAY, HOW DO YOU RETROFIT A PARKING GARAGE? WHICH IS HARD TO DO UNLESS YOU DO A CAST IN PLACE.
MOST OF 'EM GO UP A LITTLE BIT AND WE JUST DON'T WANNA GET STUCK HAVING A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING SPACES.
BUT THAT'S A LITTLE THUMB IN THE AIR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR THAT NUMBER TO TRY TO MANAGE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT MIGHT BE IN EXISTENCE.
AND WE ALSO THOUGHT BECAUSE OF THE DART LINE AND THE UNIVERSITY, THAT WE MAY NOT NEED AS MUCH PARKS EITHER AS WELL.
SO I'M HERE AT YOUR DISPOSAL, WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME, MY STAFF HERE PROBABLY KNOWS A LOT MORE OF THE DETAILS IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO IT.
BUT BEFORE WE OPEN THAT UP FOR QUESTIONS, I THINK I'LL LET DR.
JAMESON TALK ABOUT THE UTD SITE AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS TOGETHER.
MR. VICE CHAIR MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS CALVIN JAMESON, I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR FACILITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS IN DALLAS.
UH, AND I WANT TO JUST, UH, ARTICULATE A COUPLE THINGS TO SAY WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, BACK IN OH SEVEN WHEN I ARRIVED, WE HAD ABOUT 14,000 STUDENTS ON CAMPUS.
IN THE COURSE OF THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WE'VE ADDED SOME 15 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NEW AND RENOVATED SPACE TO THE CAMPUS IN 2.5 BILLION, ALL OF WHICH IS GROWING THE CAMPUS OVERALL.
IN ESSENCE, WE HAVE OVER 8,000 STUDENTS LIVING ON OR NEAR THE CAMPUS.
WHEN I ARRIVED THERE ABOUT 2,500 STUDENTS LIVING ON CAMPUS.
SO WE HAVE GROWN THE ENTIRE, UH, ENTERPRISE, IF YOU WOULD.
AND AS WE BEGIN TO GROW AND WORK WITH DART TO DEVELOP A STATION, CUZ WE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING ROUTE IN THE ENTIRE DART STATION.
UH, WHEN I STARTED WE HAD NO BUSES.
UH, PRIOR TO THE P PANDEMIC WE HAD 1.5 MILLION RIDERS.
SO AS WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROCESS, WE TALKED ABOUT A MULTIMODAL SYSTEM.
WHAT THAT MEANT WAS SIMPLY THIS.
WE HAD TO HAVE MORE STUDENTS LIVING ON AND THEIR CAMPUS.
THAT'S THE 8,000 QUESTION WE HAD TO HAVE PEOPLE RIDING OUR BUSES.
THAT'S THE 1.5 MILLION, UH, THAT WE TALK ABOUT, GONE DOWN SOME BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVING CLOSE TO CAMPUS.
WE HAD TO HAVE COMMUTERS, WE HAD TO BUILD GARAGES.
WE'VE HAD 10,000 SPACE GARAGES.
AND THEN, THEN THE CIVIL LINE.
SO IN THE CIVIL LINE, UH, THE CONCEPT HERE WAS WITH A T T O D, YOU NEEDED THE DENSITY IN QUESTION TO MAKE THAT WORK, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT GOES FROM SHALLOW ALL THE WAY TO, UM, TERMINAL B DFW.
SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IS A HIGH ENERGY LOCATION OF STUDENTS WHO LIVE ON THE NEW CAMPUS.
PLUS NOW, AS WE JUMP TO TRACK AND LOOK AT OUR THOUSAND BY UH, RIGHT SPACES THAT WE CAN ADD NORTH OF THE CAMPUS, EXCUSE ME, BY RIGHT BETS WE ADD NORTH OF CAMPUS, WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD IN MORE FACULTY, STAFF AND YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WHO WANNA LIVE.
AND WE BY DESIGN HAVE HAD WHAT WE CALL MARKET RATE HOUSING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHAT IS NOW NORTH SIDE.
AND WE WANNA CONTINUE THAT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.
THIS IS HEALTHY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THIS BECOME A REAL STRONG DESTINATION
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PLACE FOR ALL OF US.AND WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO, THE FINAL DECISION WAS MADE THAT WE HAD OUR 20 ACRES, BUT WE ALSO KNEW WE HAD TO STRATEGICALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO THUS REACHING OUT TO WOLVERINE.
AND IN THAT PROCESS DECIDING WHY DON'T WE DEVELOP THE ENTIRE 36 ACRES AND FIND SOME STRATEGIC SYNERGIES BETWEEN THE ENTIRE 36 ACRES.
THAT MEAN WE CAN LOOK AT THE INGRESS, EGRESS OF THE BUSES COMING IN OUT.
WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT HOW WE ALIGN THE ROADS AND MAKE SURE THERE ARE SOME SYNERGY DEVELOPED OVERALL.
SO THE CONCEPT IS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'LL BE AT 35,000 STUDENTS, HOPEFULLY NOT SOONER THAN LATER.
IT'S GRADUALLY GROW NOW THAT WE'VE GROWN DISAPPOINT, AND THAT, UH, MANY PERSONS WHO ARE GETTING TO OUR CAMPUS WILL COME IN DIFFERENT MODES, BUSES, CARS, THEY'LL LIVE THERE AND THEY'LL BE CATCHING THE TRAIN AND SOME WILL BE A PART OF THIS MULTIMODAL APPROACH.
SO THIS SUPPORT IS FOR THE ENTIRE COMPLEX BEING, IF YOU WOULD, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WE ALREADY HAD BY RIGHT.
THIS JUST ENHANCES THAT BY ADDING IN 30 INTO OUR 36 ACRES.
SO I'LL STOP AND ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION IS, DO YOU ENVISION THAT THIS IS GONNA, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE A A, A, A FIXED BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES, OR IS IT GONNA BE MORE OF A JOINT VENTURE ON ALL 36 ACRES? UH, YET TO BE DETERMINED.
UH, BUT WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE COMPLIMENT WHAT ONE PUTS ON THE RESPECTIVE PROPERTIES.
THERE IS AN EASEMENT OF A ROAD THANKS TO THE EFFORTS PROVIDED BY WOLVERINE, BY WHICH DART WOULD BRING ITS BUSES IN.
AND BY WORKING WITH DART THE CITY AND, AND, UM, WOLVERINE, WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL EASEMENT THAT CONNECTS TO THE, UH, MEDIAN ON, UH, WATERVIEW.
SO THAT'S A PLUS THAT'S THERE FOR US.
UH, AND IN ADDITION, LET ME ANSWER ONE QUESTION I DIDN'T EARLIER IS THAT, UM, WE AGREED BY WORKING WITH DART THAT WE'LL PROVIDE 244 PARKING AND RIDE SPACES IN THE BEGINNING.
AND ONCE WE START THE PROCESS OF, UM, UH, DOING THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE'S A PARKING AND RIDE EFFORT THAT WILL BE THERE ON THAT LOCATION.
HOW MANY SPACES, LONG TERM WILL BE DETERMINED BY, UH, DART, UH, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE UTILIZE THAT SPACE OVERALL.
SO IT CAN BE PROBABLY, IT CAN BE REDUCED OR IT CAN BE USED FOR THE OTHER PERSONS WHO DECIDE THAT TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY.
AND OUR NEXT PHASE, OBVIOUSLY FROM UT DALLAS PERSPECTIVE IS TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING NORTH OF THE CAMPUS.
SO THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE A LINE DRAWN AND SUCH THAT WOULD BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
SO, AND, AND ON THE UT UH, THE DART PARKING, SO IS THAT A CONDITION OF THE, UM, OF THE PD? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, UH, NO, IT WASN'T A, UM, IT, IT WAS THE ADDITIONAL DART, UH, UH, UT SYSTEM DASH UT DALLAS AGREEMENT THAT WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE STATION, THEN WE AGREED TO PROVIDE A PARKING RIDE FOR, UH, PERSONS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, IN PARTICULAR ARCH NUMBER OF THOSE WHO LIVE IN RICHARDSON.
AND THEY KEEP IN MIND THAT AT ONE POINT DART WAS GONNA HAVE A STATION AT COURT.
WHEN THAT DISAPPEARED, THEN ADDITIONAL REQUESTS WERE MADE FOR THE UNIVERSITY TO PROVIDE SOME PARKING, UH, FOR PERSONS WHO WANNA DO A PARKING RIDE.
AND, UM, UH, I AM LOOKING AT SECTION 14 OF EXHIBIT A, UH, THAT DOES SAY DESIGNATE PARKING FOR THE DART CIVIL LINE STATION AS DEPICTED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
SO I GUESS THAT'S MEANS MEANING THE STATION, UH, WHICH, UH, ACCOMMODATES 150, UH, SPACES FOR RAIL STATION COMMUTERS MAY BE ACCOMMODATED TO ANY AREA FOR PARKING ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND, UH, IT MAY BE SURFACE OR STRUCTURED.
IN ADDITION, U T D SHALL DEVELOP A SHARED PARKING PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH DART TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THE NUMBER OF RAIL STATION SPACES, SPACES, AND DEVELOP AN APPROPRIATE PLAN TO MEET FUTURE PARKING NEEDS UP TO 240 SPACES.
SO SOUNDS TO ME LIKE ESSENTIALLY THE 150 CAN BE ANYWHERE ON THE 36 ACRES.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? THE PARK AND RIDE ACTUALLY WILL BE IN THE, UH, UT DALLAS, UH,
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PORTION OF THE 36 ACRES.AND THE REASON WHY WILL BE THERE IS BECAUSE IT'S THE CLOSEST TO THE STATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, TO CLARIFY, TO, TO CLARIFY, THAT'S, UH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE TO WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING PD FROM 2016.
UH, IT JUST, THAT ONE DISCUSSED THE 150 PARKING SPACES, AND THEN IN ADDITION, UTD SHALL DEVELOP A SHARED PARKING PLAN TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THE NUMBER OF RAIL STATION SPACES TO MEET FUTURE NEEDS.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCE HERE IS IT TALKS ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE PLAN TO DEVELOP UP TO TWO 40.
THAT'S THAT NEW NUMBER THAT'S BEEN ADDED IN, BUT THE, THE ONE 50 AND THAT SIMILAR LANGUAGE WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL 2016 PD AND BEING CARRIED OVER.
WELL, AND PART OF THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THE ONLY WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE RECEIVED TO, TO DATE, UH, WAS EXPRESSING CONCERN OVER THE FACT THAT, UM, UM, THEY DIDN'T REALLY SEE WHERE THAT PARKING WAS GONNA BE.
THEY WANTED, IN FACT, I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF EXPRESSING A DESIRE TO HAVE EVEN MORE, UH, SORT OF PARK AND RIDE, UH, PARKING SPACES SO THAT, UM, THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT REALLY CAN BENEFIT THOSE RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO BE ABLE TO PARK HERE AND RIDE TO THE AIRPORT AND KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ABILITY.
AND THERE'S THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PART OF THIS, UH, PROJECT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, THAT, THAT PARKING MADE AVAILABLE TO THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF USERS.
AT PRESENT IT IS, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL CON ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH DART IS IT WAS FOR SURFACE PARKING AND, UH, UM, PARCEL A.
BUT AS THAT IS DEVELOPED, THEN IT'S INTEGRATED INTO A GARAGE.
SO THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE SPACE AND WE CAN GO VERTICAL IN TERMS OF OUR EFFORTS TO PROVIDE A A, A PARK AND RIDE SCENARIO FOR PERSONS USING DART.
YEAH, AND I THINK SIMPLY THE INTENT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT'S LOOKING FOR WHERE DO I PARK WHEN I WANNA GO TO THE AIRPORT, THAT THAT'S EASY TO FIND AND THERE'S AMPLE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR 'EM.
SO, UH, BYRON, ARE THERE ANY, UM, TAILWINDS THAT COULD COME ABOUT BY 2035 THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO BLOW THROUGH THE MAX PROJECTIONS FOR THIS PD? UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY? ANTICIPATED JUST MOVEMENT TO THE AREA.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO U T D, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET UP TO LIKE 65 K IN ENROLLMENT WITH THAT TOSS OUT THE, LIKE, THE MAX OCCUPANCY PROJECTIONS FOR THE PD.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A TERRIBLE, WHENEVER A HURRICANE, UH, DISASTER, THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD ACCOMMODATE 65 K FOR ONE.
HOWEVER, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED ACRES, UH, YET TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, ACTUALLY ABOUT 80 NOW, YET TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND, UM, WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN IN PLACE THAT WOULD NOT PUT US, UH, WITH LOOKING 35 K IS A NUMBER.
UH, AND THAT'S TO ALLOW US TO PROVIDE A QUALITY EDUCATION.
AND IN A, IN A URBAN FIELD, UH, I NEED ENOUGH GREEN SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT MANY STUDENTS ALSO AS WELL.
SO WE THINK THAT WE ARE CLOSER TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE.
IF IT CREEPS UP, IT'LL BE 500 HERE, 500 THERE.
AND MAYBE IN 15 YEARS YOU MAY SEE 40 K IF THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT IT WOULD BE NATURAL GROWTH, NOT PLANNED GROWTH.
AND THAT'S THE KIND YOU WANT TO HAVE.
UH, BUT PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT UT DALLAS HAS PRODUCED EXTRAORDINARY STUDENTS BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF OUR PROFESSORS, ET CETERA.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE THAT SCENARIO, UH, AND ALSO ENCOURAGE THE FACT THAT, UH, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE AND MORE STUDENTS CONTINUE TO TAKE CLASSES ON CAMPUS.
UH, THERE WILL BE CASES WHERE IT MAY GO TO A LARGER NUMBER IF IT DOES.
UH, THOSE ARE CASES WHERE YOU MAY FIND, UH, PERSONS TAKING ONLINE CLASSES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE AT PRESENT.
WE HAVE SOME, BUT NOT, NOT THE NUMBERS THAT SOME STUDENTS HAVE.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, THE, THE RAIL STATION IS GONNA ALLOW US TO ACCOMMODATE PERSONS LIVING ALONG THE RAIL ESTATE BEING HOP ON A SHALLOW OR ADDISON OR WHEREVER AND MAKE IT TO CAMPUS IN THE SHORT ORDER.
UM, COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, UH, THE, THE COMMENT THAT YOU DON'T REALLY ENVISION THIS TO BE STUDENT HOUSING, UH, THAT THIS WOULD BE MORE MARKET RATE HOUSING AND, UH, DR.
JAMESON, YOU, I THINK YOU SAID THAT NORTHSIDE IS CONSIDERED MARKET RATE HOUSING, UM, NOT SO MUCH STUDENT HOUSING AS MANY PEOPLE MIGHT THINK.
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RIGHT.UM, WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THAT SCENARIO, WE DID THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF LOOKING AT WHAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED AND ALSO, UH, WHAT MADE SENSE FOR RICHARDSON, THE UNIVERSITY COMMUNITY AND MARKET RATE HOUSING WAS THE WAY TO GO.
IF YOU DIDN'T DO MARKET RATE HOUSING, THEN PRE, UH, AT PO I MEAN POST PANDEMIC, WE WOULD HAVE SOME REAL ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF, UH, THE WAY MARKET RATE STUDENT HOUSING IS, IS BUILT.
OFTENTIMES YOU USE TAX EXEMPT BONDS TO BUILD IT, AND WHEN THAT OCCURS, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE X NUMBER OF, UH, NON STUDENTS IN THOSE RESPECTIVE ENTITIES.
SO IT WAS, I BELIEVE THE MARKET RATE WAS THE WAY TO GO, AND IT WAS A VERY WISE DECISION THAT REALLY BENEFITS, UH, THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AND EVEN THOUGH A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR PERSONS WHO LIVE THERE ARE STUDENTS, ANYONE COULD LIVE THERE.
UM, THEY COULD BE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, GRAD STUDENTS, FACULTY, STAFF, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN THE MARKET RATE HOUSING.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE APPROXIMATE MIX OF, UH, ONE AND TWO BEDROOM, THREE, FOUR BEDROOM UNITS ARE IN NORTH SIDE? YOU CAN ASK ME A QUESTION AFTER.
SO, UH, PHASE PHASE ONE AND TWO WERE MOSTLY ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. UM, MANY OF WHICH WERE, UM, BUILT UNFURNISHED.
AND AS WE GOT TO PHASES, UH, THREE AND FOUR AND MOSTLY FOUR IS WHEN WE HAD MORE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS. I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ABOUT THAT NUMBER.
BUT IT'S MORE IN PHASES, UH, THAT YOU CAN FIND IN PHASES THREE AND FOUR THAT WE ADDED SOME THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS. UH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE WAY THOSE ARE BUILT, UM, YOU HAVE A FOUR BEDROOM WITH, WITH EACH ONE HAVING THEIR OWN BATH AND COMMON SPACE.
SO THEY ARE BASICALLY REALLY, UH, QUALITY, UH, APARTMENTS THAT ANYONE WOULD WANNA LIVE IN AS A RESULT OF THAT.
SO JUST, UH, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR REQUEST AND WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE, UH, ON, ON THE, UH, AS FAR AS THE, WHAT'S IN THE PACKAGE AS FAR AS A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS AT 15%? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'D LIKE OR IF THAT'S STAFF'S REQUEST.
UM, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PROBABLY IN AGREEMENT WITH IT, BUT WOULD WOULD, IF YOU COULD HAVE IT A DIFFERENT WAY, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THERE BE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WOULD ASK FOR THERE? NO, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF ON THAT.
WE DON'T THINK WE'LL EXCEED THE 15% ON THREE AND FOUR AT ALL.
IT'S JUST WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW 10, 12 YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
BUT THAT IS A, UH, IS AND THAT'S A, UH, A LIMIT ON THE OVERALL TOTAL, UH, 4,000 AT 15% OR IS IT PER EACH BUILDING? UH, SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, UM, AND THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED.
YOU KNOW, IF THE FIRST BUILDING CAME IN AND THEY WANTED TO DO ALL THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, UH, BUT THEY DIDN'T EXCEED, UH, 600, THEN UM, I SUPPOSE THEY COULD DO THAT.
BUT IT MAY NOT BE, UH, BAD IDEA TO HAVE THAT CLARIFIED WITHIN THE CODE OR IT WAS JUST, IT'S, IT'S LEFT UP TO THEM.
AND ONCE THAT 600 HAS HIT, IT'S HIT, UM, I DO HAVE AN ANSWER ON WITH THE LAST PHASE OF NORTH SIDE THAT WAS DEVELOPED, THAT WAS A TOTAL OF, WITHIN THE PHASE TWO WHERE IT ALLOWED 2000 UNITS IN, UM, THE NORTHERN HALF OF NORTH SIDE.
AND THEN THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE UTD TRACKED HERE, UM, THERE WERE, I JUST HAD THE NUMBER HERE.
231 UNITS HAD BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, AS THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS, AND THE OTHER 908 HAD BEEN DEVELOPED AS, UH, AS, AS LESS.
SO WITHIN THAT PD THERE WERE 2000 UNITS ALLOWED, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT'S SIX, UH, IT WAS ALSO 600.
SO THEY WERE AT 30% THAT WERE ALLOWED THERE, UH, FOR THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS. UH, RIGHT.
BUT OF WHAT'S BEEN BUILT, IT'S, IT'S CLOSER TO AROUND 20 TO 25% OF THEIR MIXES.
MAYBE 20% OF THE MIX IS ACTUALLY BUILT AS THREE THREES AND FOURS.
NOW, THE BIG DIFFERENCE IN NORTHSIDE AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THEY'RE BOTH MARKET RATE.
THE DIFFERENCE IN NORTHSIDE IS THAT STUDENT PURPOSE-BUILT APARTMENTS WHERE WHY YOU HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER OF THREE, UH, TWOS AND FOUR AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, BECAUSE THEY DO SHARE A COMMON SPACE, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO CAMPUS HOUSING TO THOSE NUMBERS, THEY DO ACCOMMODATE STUDENT OCCUPIED UNITS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE IN EXHIBIT A IS THERE'S A MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL
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DENSITY OF 4,000 UNITS, UH, OF WHICH NO LESS THAN 85% SHALL BE ONE AND TWO.SO, AND THE REMAINING WOULD BE 15%.
UM, SO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED RIGHT THERE, IF THEORETICALLY YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA START WITH 15% OF THE 4,000, MAKE 'EM ALL THREE TO FOUR BEDROOMS. I KNOW THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT GET WHERE I'M GOING HERE.
WHERE YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE, YEAH, YOU COULD HAVE A BUILDING WITH 300 UNITS AND HAVE, YEAH, HALF OF THEM BE THREES AND FOURS, AND YOU, YOU WOULDN'T BE ACHIEVING YOUR MINIMUM 85%.
I THINK THAT'S THE, AND, AND REALLY MY, MY GOAL HERE IS JUST TO HAVE THE, YOU, YOU TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE STUDENTS.
AND IF YOU DETERMINE THAT, UM, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY WE'RE, THESE ARE GOING FOR STUDENT HOUSING, THAT'S THE MARKET WE WANT TO MEET, AND WE WANT TO BUILD TO THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS EACH WITH THEIR OWN BATHROOM AND A SHARED COMMON AREA KITCHEN.
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HAMSTRUNG NECESSARILY BY WHAT'S WORDED IN THIS, IN THE PD HERE.
I, I BELIEVE, UM, I WOULD CONCUR TO A PORTION OF THAT.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS WILL MAYBE BE A CASE WHERE THERE'S A FAMILY THAT COMES IN WHO'S GOING TO GRAD SCHOOL, AN EIGHT THREE BEDROOM, OKAY.
SO I THINK YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR IDEA OF MAKING SURE THAT SOME LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY IS, IS IMPORTANT TO US.
BUT I THINK IN THE SAME RESPECT, WE KNOW THAT MANY OF OUR, UH, STUDENTS LIKE ONE IN TWO BEDROOMS, IN FACT, UH, FOR SOME OF OUR APARTMENTS THAT ARE ON CAMPUS, THEY WANT A SINGLE BEDROOM.
I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENT GENERATION, HOWEVER, THERE ARE A GROUP OF STUDENTS WHO COME IN, THEY MAY BE GRAD STUDENTS WHO DECIDE THAT WE NEED A FOUR BEDROOM TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR US TO DO THIS.
WHEREAS IT MAY BE A YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WHO DECIDE, I WANT TO GRADUATE, BUT I WANT TO STILL LIVE, UH, IN, IN ON, ON THE T O D IF THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT I ALSO WANT A ROOMMATE, AND MAYBE THERE'S TWO OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE WORKING AS WELL, AND THEY'RE FRIENDS AND THEY WANNA DO THE SAME THING.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS THAT.
WELL, WE, WE COULD FINE TUNE IT WHERE, SO, SO IT'S NOT AS BROAD AS YOU SAID.
JUST SAY THAT IN NO EVENT WOULD SAY 30% OF THE UNITS IN ANY ONE PARCEL BE MORE THAN THREE AND FOUR BEDROOMS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, ANOTHER OPTION TO GET AWAY FROM THE PERCENTAGE AND HOW THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE IS TO JUST MAYBE SAY, UM, 4,000 UNITS ARE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF 600 UNITS, MAYBE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT CAN BE, YOU HAVE 600 UNITS, WHICH IS THE 15%, AND THEY CAN BE, THEY CAN BE BUILT ALL AT ONCE.
THEY CAN BE ACCOMMODATED, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GO OVER THAT CAP OF 600 REGARDLESS.
I, I THINK THE, THE WORDING'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING HERE ABOUT WHAT'S THE INTENT, RIGHT? IS THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE AT LEAST, UM, 3,401 AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS BEFORE I CAN GET THE, LIKE THREE AND FOUR.
I DON'T WANNA DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION.
SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE,
BUT I, I DO HAVE, I, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR TRAFFIC.
UM, TEAMED YOUR ARCHITECTS PLANNERS, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
CHRISTIAN DELUCA WITH KIMLEY HORN, 2,600 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
SO YOU PROBABLY HEARD SOME OF OUR COMMENTS IN THE BRIEFING SESSION.
UM, SO SPECIFICALLY, UM, I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, ABILITY TO, UM, THE QUEUING, UH, DISTANCE AND, UH, FOR VEHICLES LOOKING TO GET OUT OF THIS AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, PEAK HOURS WITH THE SIGNALS THAT WE'VE GOT ON, UH, A COUPLE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS THERE.
I GUESS THAT'S STREET B AND UH, D IS IT? CORRECT.
AND, UH, MAYBE IF YOU CAN JUST HELP CLARIFY, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BECAUSE THE STREET SECTIONS, UH, BOTH SHOW THAT THOSE ARE 30 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAYS.
AND IN THE CASE OF B, YOU'VE GOT PARALLEL PARKING ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET, WHEREAS ON D OR STREET D ORFORD, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE TWO LANES, ONE IN EACH DIRECTION, PLUS ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS PARALLEL.
UH, SO IT WASN'T REALLY CLEAR TO ME, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, IF THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE.
I BELIEVE CHRIS SAID THAT THERE IS, SO THAT SUGGESTS THAT AT THE INTERSECTION THERE'S MORE THAN THOSE TWO LANES,
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AND WE JUST DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THE DETAIL IN OUR PACKAGE ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
AND WE WANT TO PRESENT IT CLEARLY HERE IN THE TIA, IT DOES REQUIRE TWO OUTBOUND LANES FOR BOTH STREET B AND STREET D THAT YOU MENTIONED.
THOSE ARE SIGNALED ACCESS POINTS.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CAN FLUSH TRAFFIC OUT OF THIS, CUZ IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND EVERYONE LIKES TO TURN RIGHT ON RED AND NOT WAIT FOR SOMEONE MAKING A LEFT TURN OR A THROUGH.
SO IN THOSE SCENARIOS, THE RIGHT OF WAY WILL BE PRESERVED, BUT YOU WILL TAKE OUT PARKING FOR A COUPLE SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT LEFT TURN LANE.
SO JUST LIKE TWO SPACES IN LENGTH.
UM, FOR THAT LEFT TURN, WE'LL LOOK AT THE, THE QUEUING NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE IT'S CALCULATED CORRECTLY.
BUT YEAH, IT'D BE ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 70 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION ACCOMMODATING TWO TO THREE VEHICLES IN A LEFT TURN PAR POCKET.
THOSE WILL BE CAPTURED AT THE TIME THAT THEY COME IN FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR, FOR, FOR, UH, STREET WIDTHS AND TURN LANES AT, AT INTERSECTIONS.
SO WE'LL CAPTURE ALL OF THAT DURING THAT TIME.
SO THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DIDN'T GO INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL TO REALLY ANALYZE THAT.
THEY DID AS, AS PART OF THEIR, THE, THEIR, THEIR ANALYSIS, BUT IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT AS TO THE ACTUAL DESIGN STANDARDS AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
AND IT'S, IT'S TYPICAL IN OUR PDS THAT HAVE STREET SECTIONS THAT THEY, THEY SHOW THE SECTION FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE'S ALWAYS THAT ROOM FOR, UM, ROOM FOR MODIFICATION FOR WHEN IT INTERSECTS WITH THE SURROUNDING STREETS.
AND SO, UM, JUST, UH, CAN YOU MAYBE SPEAK TO, I, I MEAN STREET B AND D ARE REALLY MORE OR LESS THE PRIMARY WAYS IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEY'RE THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN EXIT AND GO LEFT, MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO WATERVIEW, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BECAUSE STREET A IS RIGHT TURN ONLY, RIGHT? SO STREET A IS RIGHT TURN ONLY ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, AND SO ALSO STREET E FOR OUTBOUND WILL BE RIGHT TURN ONLY EITHER.
SO THAT WILL BE EVERYONE EXITING THE DEVELOPMENT HAS THOSE OPTIONS TO GO AND TURN NORTH, GET TO P G B T, GET TO RENNER.
UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HEAD SOUTH, THEY'LL HAVE TO TURN THE OUT OF STREET D AND STREET D.
SO YOU WILL SEE THAT THE MOVEMENTS KIND OF DIVIDE WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WHO'S COMING HERE WILL COME HERE, UH, WILL TRAVEL EVERY DAY AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT ROUTES, UM, TO DETERMINE INSIDE THE SITE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ACCESS AND MOVEMENT THAT CAN HAPPEN INTERNALLY SO THAT DRIVERS WHO WANT TO GO SOUTH TRADITIONALLY GO TO STREET B AND STREET D AND ALSO EVEN WEST THROUGH FRANKFORD BECAUSE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO JUST SHOOT STRAIGHT OUT OF STREET B.
IF YOU WANT TO GO NORTH, YOU'LL LIKELY CHOOSE THE OTHER STREETS AND THAT DIVISION OF TRAFFIC WILL HAVE AN INTERNAL TO THE SIDE.
AND WHAT DO YOU SEE HAPPENING AT THE INTERSECTION OF STREET D AND A AT THE RAILROAD TRACK RIGHT THERE? YEAH, THAT WILL BE AN ALWAYS STOP AND THE VOLUMES AT THAT INTERSECTION SUPPORT AND ALWAYS STOP.
AND THAT'S ALSO WHERE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL CROSSES OVER FROM ONE SIDE OF A, FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OVER TO THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THE, THE, THE PEDESTRIANS THERE WILL JUST BE AT A CROSSWALK? YES.
WHICH ALWAYS STOPS TRADITIONALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, THE SAFEST INTERSECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS SAFER THAN AT SIGNALS AND SAFER THAN TWO-WAY STOPS.
DID YOU WANNA TALK TO COY TOO, OUR ARCHITECT? SURE.
COY, WE GOT COY AWAY FROM VACATION, SO WE NEED TO HAVE HIM HAVE A SPEAKING PART.
HI, I'M COY TALLEY 33 0 1 ELM STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, UH, WITH TALLY ASSOCIATES.
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AND URBAN MASTER PLANNING ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT LEVELS, BOTH IN TOWN AND ON A NATIONAL BASIS.UH, SO I'M THE PLANNER, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER, AND I GO BACK AND FORTH QUITE A BIT.
SO IF WE THINK ABOUT THIS T O D SCENARIO, WE'RE DOING TRADITIONAL, UM, COUNTS BASED ON A T O D.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO STRESS AND IS IN PLAY IS THAT SO MUCH OF THIS T D WILL BE A PART OF U T D FROM STUDENTS AND FACULTY AND, AND THAT CROSS SYNERGY OF, OF USE FROM AN ACADEMIC STANDPOINT, HENCE THE ISSUE OF PEAK DEMAND TIME, SAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE EXITING FROM U T D AND AS CHRISTIAN WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA DETERMINE THAT FLOW PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND, AND IF THERE'S A BACKUP WITH THESE TODS, UM, YOU HAVE ALL THESE ALTERNATIVES WAY, WAY TO GO ON STREETS AND NOT ONLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS, UH, BUT ALL THROUGH THE CAMPUS.
SO TO GET OUT TO WATERVIEW, THEY MAY GO DOWN SOUTH.
UH, BUT AS IT RELATES TO OUR PARTICULAR TRACT AND THE PROJECTIONS, I, I DON'T THINK I, I'M AS, AS A PLANTER MAYBE AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT KIND OF HIGH VOLUME AND PROJECTIONS AT FIVE O'CLOCK CUZ IT'S HOUSING.
AND SO MUCH OF THIS ARE STUDENTS AND FACULTY AND THEY'RE NOT LEAVING THE SITE, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO THEIR UNITS.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IN PLAY TOO.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO TALK, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS LOOP TRAIL SYSTEM FROM AN AMENITY STANDPOINT IN THIS 20 FOOT PEDESTRIAN WAY, AS JIM ALLUDED REALLY, UM, ADDISON, UM, WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE FROM A YOUTH STANDPOINT ON T O D, THE BLOCK ARE LIKE TWO 50 BY TWO 50, SO THERE'S A TIGHTER COMMUNITY AND A MORE PEDESTRIAN FOCUS ELEMENT TO THIS.
SO, AND UH, AND THERE'S STRUCTURED PARKING THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THESE TRACKS ARE SITUATED FOR THAT.
SO, BUT IT'S MORE THAN AN APARTMENT WRAP.
THERE'S A AMENITIES WITHIN THIS, UH, FOR USER TYPES, UH, WHETHER IT'S POOLS OR GREEN SPACE OR COURTYARDS OR ALL OF THAT.
SO AS YOU SEE ON THIS, THIS IS A KIND OF A SCENARIO OF, OF A BLOCKING PLAN OF WHAT TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN WITH THIS KIND OF, UH, PROJECT.
SO, WHICH ON YOUR, UH, LINEAR PARK TOO, JUST MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THAT.
AND EVERYBODY SEES THE LINEAR PARK, THE GRAY SHADE ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UH, THAT'S OUR VERSION OF UTDS KATY TRAIL.
SO IF WE THINK ABOUT THAT AS A GREEN SPACE CONNECTOR, AND THEN WE HAVE THESE 20 FOOT PEDESTRIAN WA WAYS WITH TREE LINED ELEMENTS AND IT'S, IT'S A REAL GREEN KIND OF CONDITION.
AND I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK, GO TO ADDISON AND KIND OF WALK THOSE EDGES, THAT'S THE DESIGN INTENT BEHIND THIS AND, AND HENCE THE KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL MODELING OF THAT AS WELL.
THE OTHER THING IS WHERE WE HAVE THE 30 FOOT ROADS IN PARTICULAR THAT IS REPRESENTING MAYBE A DARK CORRIDOR OR DARK ROUTE, AND ALONG THAT 30 F FOOT ROAD EDGE WHERE DART TRAVELS, THERE'S NO PARALLEL PARKING.
AND THAT'S JUST ME BEING ON A DART LINE IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND STANDING BACK, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S GENERALLY KIND OF, KIND OF OUR OUTLINE AND IT'S BEEN JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH DR.
JAMESON AND JIM WITH WOLVERINE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE WHOLE TEAM.
UH, YEAH, NO, I LOVE THE TRAIL.
UH, SO, UH, THE WAY THAT THE, UH, PD IS WORDED THOUGH, UH, THERE IS NO MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR OFFICE OR RETAIL OR, UH, PUBLIC, UM, ANY ANY SORT OTHER SORT OF PUBLIC USE.
UM, SO THEORETICALLY THIS COULD BE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO WHAT IS YOUR, UH, WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE OPEN SPACE ACROSS FROM THE RAIL STATION? SO THAT'S JUST A WALK ACROSS USE AND IT WOULD BE KIND OF A RAISED PEDESTRIAN PLATFORM, SPECIAL PAVING, AND THEN OUR CENTRAL PARK ALONG THAT EDGE, WE MIGHT HAVE, UM, UH, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL WITHIN THAT AND MAYBE A HOTEL CONNECTION, UM, AS PART OF THAT CENTRAL OPEN SPACE.
THE, THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT EVEN THOUGH
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IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS A MIXED USE AND NOT MIXED USE.ONE OF THE LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENTS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH OUR IDEA OF DEVELOPING AN INNOVATION RESEARCH ENTITY ATTACHED TO IT AS WELL.
AND SO IN THAT PROCESS, YOU GOTTA HAVE A WAY TO BRING PERSONS IN THAT BE LIVE, WORK, PLAY AND STUDY AND KNOW DOMA NEW DOMAIN, IF YOU WOULD.
AND OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT IS GONNA BE CRITICAL TO OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT PERSONS WHO MAY FLY IN AT DFW AND THEY MAY GET OFF AT THE UT DALLAS STOP CHECK INTO THEIR HOTEL, GO ACROSS THE STREET TO DO THEIR RESEARCH OR, OR TO MEET THEM CONFERENCES, ET CETERA.
SAME THING WITH STUDENTS SIDE OF TO, TO ATTEND UT DALLAS AS WELL.
SO JUST THINK OF THIS AS A TRULY, TRULY MIXED USE NEXT GENERATION OF, UH, WHAT COULD HAPPEN RIGHT HERE IN RICHARDSON.
AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I, I HOPE IT ENDS UP THAT WAY.
UM, AND I'D LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE IT TRULY MIXED USE AROUND THAT OPEN SPACE ACROSS THE STATION AND THAT THERE IS A HOTEL THERE THAT MAYBE THERE IS OFFICE SPACE THAT THERE, IT'S NOT JUST APARTMENTS, AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY, UH, BUT I THINK THE WAY IT'S, IT'S WORDED, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO BE NOTHING BUT APARTMENTS.
UM, I GUESS THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN I HAVE.
I I, I APPRECIATE WHAT THE UNIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A COMMITMENT TO THAT, UH, OR NOT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S JUST, I KNOW HOW AS A REAL ESTATE, UH, DEVELOPER INVESTOR MYSELF, A LOT OF TIMES MONEY TALKS AND IF THE, IF YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE FASTEST WAY TO DEVELOP AND SELL THIS IS TO BUILD APARTMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO, HARD TO PASS THAT UP ON OUR PORTION.
UM, IF THERE, WE KNOW THAT OUR LIMITS AROUND BUILDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAX IS GONNA BE, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE IN THAT 10,000 RANGE LONG TERM.
WE ALREADY HAVE 8,000, UM, ON AND NEAR THE CAMPUS ITSELF.
AND IF THERE'S INFIELD, THAT INFIELD MAY COME FROM A STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING OF ON CAMPUS HOUSING AS WE SPEAK.
SO THE REST OF IT HAS TO BE A CASE WHERE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE YOU DO SOME OF THAT SPINOFF OF THAT ACTIVITY.
AND SO THAT'S THE CONCEPT BEHIND POTENTIALLY DOING AN INNOVATION, UH, RESEARCH ENTITY.
GARY, UM, I'M, I'M CURIOUS CUZ YOU'VE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND THAT KIND OF THING, AND THAT'S GREAT, THAT'S GREAT.
YOU GOTTA HAVE PLACES FOR PEDESTRIANS.
BUT BEING A BICYCLIST, I KNOW THERE'S TIMES WHEN I'VE RIDDEN AROUND THAT AREA, AND I WANNA UNDERSTAND, ARE THESE PEDESTRIAN PADS, ARE THEY MULTI-USE PADS? ARE THE, IS THERE PARKING FOR CYCLISTS OR, UH, HOW ARE YOU CONSIDERING THAT AT ALL? OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING THAT AT ALL? YES.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A 10 FOOT WIDE PATH.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE CONNECTION THAT GOES, UM, UH, FROM STREET D DOWN.
NOW IT'S NOT 12 FOOT, LIKE A PARTICULAR CYCLING PATH IS, BUT IT IS 10 AND THERE ARE STATIONS BESIDE THAT WE HAVE DEDICATED, UH, UM, BIKE PARKS, UH, WITH EACH OF THESE PARCELS.
UM, AND, AND, AND THAT, THAT WHOLE DYNAMIC IS, IS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
AND I MEAN, IF YOU JUST WALK THE CAMPUS, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF BICYCLES.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE RETAIL SPOTTED THROUGHOUT.
SO, SO I, I WOULD SAY THIS WHOLE PARK AREA, UM, I MEAN THE DESIGN INTENT IS DR.
JAMES SAID MIXED USE, MULTIMODAL, UM, ALL ABOUT THE STUDENT AND ANCILLARY USES WITH THE UNIVERSITY.
SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S ONLY THAT, BUT I MEAN, PREDOMINANTLY IT WILL BE THAT, AND CYCLING I IS A BIG DEAL.
NARROW STREETS ARE A BIG DEAL TOO, TO, WITH THIS STREET GRID AT 250 FEET APART, UH, THAT HELPS WITH DISTRIBUTION OF TRAFFIC.
IF, IF THERE'S A LIGHT BACKED UP, THEY SEE IT, THEY CAN GO DOWN ANOTHER STREET AND GO OUT AND TAKE A RIGHT TURN, OR THEY CAN GO DOWN ALL THE WAY IN AND TAKE ANOTHER LEFT TURN.
SO THOSE OPTIONS, UM, AND AS JIM SAID, WITH THE 4,000 UNITS AS A BUILD OUT, THAT'S, WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S VERY MUCH LONG SHOT.
JAMES HAD SAID, THE MIXED USE WITH R AND D AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE HISTORY OF U T D, THE TECHNOLOGY SURROUNDING IT, I MEAN, IT JUST, UH, REALLY WORKS THAT WAY.
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THE OTHER THING IS THE IDEA OF, UH, AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING, UH, THAT MAYBE, UM, GRADUATES COME BACK, UH, PEOPLE IN RETIREMENT.I MEAN, CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE UT D CAMPUS IS A GREAT WALKING ENVIRONMENT FOR THAT TOO.
SO THAT IS, UH, REA UH, VERY PROBABLE REALITY FOR WHAT THIS CAN BE.
AND PERSONALLY, I DO A LOT OF SENIOR HOUSING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND, AND, UH, I KNOW TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN TRACKS LIKE THIS ASSOCIATED WITH CAMPUS.
AND, AND LET ME JUST ADD ONE OTHER ONE ABOUT THE CYCLING COMPONENT.
A PART OF THE DART IS THERE'S A HIKING BIKE THAT'S TO GO ALL THE WAY FROM SHALLOW TO D F W.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY TO TALK ABOUT WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO THAT'S A COMPONENT AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE ADJACENT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS WELL.
AGAIN, I'M JUST LOOKING BACK THROUGH EXHIBIT A AND I DON'T SEE ANY REQUIREMENT THAT THIS IS MIXED USE.
I SEE A MAXIMUM FOR USES, BUT I DON'T SEE A REQUIREMENT OTHER THAN IT'S A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
I, I MEAN, UH, SO I, I DON'T, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN.
CAN I GO BACK TO THE OFFICE BUILDING ON, UH, THE PARKING AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS THE PLANNER, UH, ON THAT.
UM, I, I, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UH, FOR, FOR STAFF, HOW SIMILAR OR DISSIMILAR IS THIS TO OTHER MIXED USE, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, THAT WE'VE DONE IN TERMS OF THE LIMITATIONS OR LACK THEREOF? IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC USAGE? UH, TH THIS IS, UM, LIKE LIFTED RIFLE FROM THIS IS SIMILAR TO, TO OTHER ONES.
SO YEARS AGO YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME TOD PDS THAT GOT ADOPTED AND THEY, THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BE, AND IT USED TO JUST BE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, AND THAT BECAME AN ISSUE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN 2000 ON AS THERE WAS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THESE RETAIL SPACES BUILT OUT AND JUST UNOCCUPIED.
UH, THE SPACES BE BUILT AS RETAIL READY SPACES ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO WHERE THEY MAY HAVE HIGHER CEILINGS.
THEY MAY HAVE, UM, PLUMBING AND H V A C CHASES BUILT IN THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE, BUT WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, WOULD STILL STILL ALLOW FOR OCCUPANCY BY RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, BUT I THINK IN, IN MOST OF THESE NEWER ONES, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT IN THERE FOR THEM TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE, UM, THOSE MIX OF USES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO THIS IS, UH, KIND OF A STANDARD THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO SOME, YEAH.
UH, OKAY, I WAS GONNA GO THE, UH, SITE PLAN FOR THE PARKING ON THE OFFICE BUILDING AND, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE THERE, AND I FORGOT TO ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN ABOUT THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES INTO THE PARKING LOT ON STREET B, IF THAT'S, UM, YEAH.
I I, I, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A, UH, A DESIGNATED, UH, FIRE LANE, UH, THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO MAINTAIN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.
BASICALLY THIS WOULD BE THE SAME CROSS SECTION OF, UH, A DRIVE LANE THAT'S, UH, AS A FIRE LANE VERSUS A TYPICAL STREET BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE OUTLET FLOWS AND WE DO HAVE, UH, PARALLEL PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT.
UM, I MEAN, IF THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN, WE CAN CUT THAT OFF AND BRING ANOTHER, UH, DRIVE IN THROUGH THAT AREA.
HOWEVER, IT'S GONNA REDUCE OUR PARKING SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, BY, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 30 SPACES TO DO THAT.
UM, AND I THINK THIS IS GONNA ULTIMATELY REDEVELOP AND WHEN THAT DOES, IT CAN FLOW INTO THE NEXT PHASE FROM, FROM A STREET SECTION.
SO YEAH, I THINK THE, THE STREET SECTION PRESENTED AS, UH, PARALLEL PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF STREET B WH WHEN IT DEVELOPS WITH, YEAH, YEAH, YOU HAVE, UH, THE FULL PARCELS, BUT IF YOU LEAVE IT AS OFFICE, THEN THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THAT, THAT'S AN INTERIM USE UNTIL IT IS THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT.
BUT AS THINGS DEVELOP OUT, THEN WE SWITCH OVER TO THE PD, AND THEN WHEN WE SWITCH TO THE PD AND HAVE TWO MORE PARCELS OUT OF THE CURRENT O OFFICE
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DEVELOPMENT, THEN WE GET THE FULL STREET CROSS SECTION AS DEFINED.UM, SO, UH, IF, IF YOU KEPT THE OFFICE BUILDING, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T MADE THAT DECISION YET, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT OR DEMOLISH IT, BUT, UH, JUST MY, MY PERCEPTION IS THAT IT REALLY TAKES AWAY FROM SORT OF THE OVERALL URBAN, UH, PEDESTRIAN FEEL TO THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU'VE GOT THIS OFF OLD OFFICE BUILDING SITTING SORT OF ON ONE END SURROUNDED BY A SEA OF SURFACE PARKING LOT, IT, IT, THAT'S OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS, IT IS AS IT EXISTS NOW FOR SURE.
BUT AS A FUTURE USE, IF WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT, AND AS DR.
JAMESON WAS SAYING, THIS BECOMES AN R AND D PIECE, NOT JUST STRAIGHT UP OFFICE, THEN THAT BECOMES WHAT WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE CITY AND DO FULL SITE PLAN DOCUMENTS AND, AND UTILIZE THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO, AND WITH R AND D, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, THE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS, BUT USUALLY IT'S NOT 300, UH, UH, ONE FOR 300, UH, FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDPOINT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF LABS AND, AND TECHNOLOGY COMPONENTS LIKE THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT THERE MAY BE ALTERNATIVE USES FOR THE OFFICE, LIKE R AND D OR WHATEVER, BUT AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW AND THE OVERALL IMPACT TO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT NICE GREEN SPACE, UH, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE BUILDING AND THAT, THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO GO AWAY ACTUALLY ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, NONE OF THAT GOES AWAY.
AND, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE WE'RE CUTTING OUT, UM, A FULL PARKING ROW THAT WOULD PUT US OVER THE ONE TO 300 IN FAVOR OF GREEN SPACE, BUT THE GREEN SPACE RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE OFFICE BUILDING DOES GO AWAY.
AND FOR PARKING FOR THAT, WE CAN STILL PUT TREES WITHIN SOME OF THE PARKING SALES, MAYBE ONE.
UH, SO AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, EXHIBIT DEED OF THE PACKAGE AND, UH, WHAT IS PROPOSED AS BEING, UH, OKAY, YEAH, THERE ON THE, IN THE GRAY BOXES TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT OF THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO CURRENTLY THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, AND YOU MAY, YOU MAY HAVE TO MOVE TO THE MIC.
SO CURRENTLY THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THE GREEN SPACE IS, YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT THROUGH THERE.
THERE'S A WHOLE ROW OF LINEAR PARKING AGAINST THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS GOING AWAY TO SECURE KIND OF THIS OPEN SPACE TRAIL SYSTEM.
UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE ARE KEEPING THAT OPEN SPACE ALMOST AS IT IS.
I THINK WE'RE CUTTING 10 FEET OFF.
WE WILL CUT 10 FEET OFF IN THE FUTURE WHEN RESIDENTIAL COMES IN, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, SO WE ARE GIVING UP A LOT OF SPACES ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE WE SAY OPEN SPACE AND TRAIL TO ACHIEVE THE OPEN SPACE.
BUT AGAIN, THE THE AREAS THAT ARE HAVE THE RED DASH LINE AROUND THEM, YES.
THOSE ARE GONNA BECOME SURFACE PARKING, CORRECT? THEY ARE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THOSE ARE APPEAR TO BE OR, OR LANDSCAPE GRASSY AREAS TODAY.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT WAS MY CONCERN IS THAT ALL THAT GRASSY GREEN SPACE GOES AWAY AND BECOMES CONCRETE, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T ALL GO AWAY.
WE'RE TRADING IT FOR A LINEAR ROW OF PARKING TO ACHIEVE THE TRAIL SYSTEM.
SO WHAT IS HARDSCAPE? I I'M I'M TALKING ABOUT THE VISUAL IMPACT OF AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH NO, YOU KNOW, LIMITED AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, AND, AND THAT, UH, THAT IS A SERVICE DRIVE I GUESS WITH, UH, ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
UNDERSTAND WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH STAFF FOR HOW WE RECOGNIZE THIS.
YOU HAVE PARKING LANDSCAPE CODES AS PART OF THIS.
YOU HAVE OPEN SPACE CODES AS PART OF THIS TOO.
SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER LEVEL REFINEMENT TO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.
WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'D MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER YOU KEEP THE BUILDING OR NOT? UH, MAY 15TH, 2027
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LEASING FOR THAT AREA HAS BEEN REALLY BAD RECENTLY.WE GOT SOME OBLIGATIONS WITH SOME OF THE TENANTS HERE.
WE GOTTA LIVE UP TO THOSE OBLIGATIONS WITH THOSE LEASES.
AND IF, IF WE DON'T GET ANY PICK UP IN VOLUME, THEN THAT BILL WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME DOWN, OR WE'LL TALK TO DR.
MAYBE WE CAN CON RECONFIGURE IT, GET RID OF ONE OF THE WINGS AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH PART OF THE BUILDING TO TURN IT INTO AN R RESEARCH PROJECT OR SOMETHING.
BUT WE'RE MONITORING THE MARKET EVERY DAY.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT CITADEL DOES.
AND THERE'S JUST HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF LEASING ACTIVITY IN THE WHOLE AREA.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT A OPTION FOR, UH, STRUCTURED PARKING TO SERVE THAT? WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY, BUT IF WE BRING IT IN AT OUR R AND D, THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LEVEL OF UPGRADE, BOTH INTERIOR FOR LAB SPACE, AND THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT IF THERE'S A FULL INVESTMENT, UH, THAT'S ANCILLARY TO, TO U T D, THAT THERE WILL BE A LEVEL OF, UH, STRUCTURED PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
AND IF THERE IS, WE WILL CERTAINLY BRING, WE WILL CERTAINLY DETAIL STREET BEES AND REDUCE A LOT OF THE, UH, SURFACE PARKING.
SO I, I GUESS I'LL GO BACK TO, UH, MR. LESLIE OR DR.
JAMESON, ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE A COMMITMENT IN HERE THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THIS MIXED USE? UM, IF YOU LOOK AT MY ORIGINAL PD, IT IS MIXED USE.
WE ARE, OURS WILL BE MIXED USE OUR PORTION OF IT OVERALL.
AND THE CONCEPT WE HAD EARLY ON WAS HAVE A STRATEGIC SYNERGIES BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE YOU GOT 36 ACRES.
AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HERE WILL KNOW THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN BUILD THAT MUCH HOUSING IN THAT LOCATION WITHOUT HAVING AMENITIES.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT TO THE NORTH, TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS, AT NORTH SIDE, THAT 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, WE MADE OUR STREETS WIDER TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO OVERALL.
THERE'S ALSO GREEN SPACE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.
AND PROBABLY IN THIS PROCESS, THE REASON WHY, UH, THE CIRCULAR HAS A LOT OF GREEN SPACE IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE FOR PERSONS WHO ARE COMING OUT OF EITHER THEIR APARTMENTS OR THE, UH, UM, OFFICES OR WHATEVER WE GONNA DO, HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE SURROUNDINGS THAT THEY DO HAVE OVERALL.
SO YES, WE'RE COMMITTED TO MIXED USE FROM UT DIALYSIS PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS HALL AS ONE, TWO OF THE PROJECT, CUZ IT, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MIXED USE, UH, DR.
JAMESON PUTS ON HIS SIDE, MAY DEMAND MORE HOUSING ON THE WOLVERINE SIDE.
SO I THINK THE WHOLE PROJECT WILL BE MIXED USE.
BUT I, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY ABSOLUTELY WE'RE GONNA DO A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF OFFICE OR RETAIL OR EVEN APARTMENTS ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
BUT I DO FEEL, I DO FEEL LIKE THE WHOLE 36 ACRES WILL HAVE SOME MIXED USE COMPONENT TO IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY ELSE WE MISSED? ANYBODY ELSE WHO YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK, UH, BEHALF OF THE TEAM? NO, WE'RE FINE.
ARE WE STILL ON PUBLIC HEARING? WE ARE.
UM, SO, UM, AS, AS NORM NORMA CUSTOMARY, UH, WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WE WOULD, UH, ASK, UH, ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, REQUEST THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? NOW'S YOUR, YOUR CHANCE IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR ANY OF THOSE IN OPPOSITION? NONE.
UH, THEN I'D MOVE THAT WE, UM, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
SO, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM YOU GUYS, UH, STAFF ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT? UH, NO SIR.
I JUST WAS JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR HOW THIS IS WRITTEN, WHAT USES ARE ALLOWED AND, AND, AND NOT HAVING THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OR TRIGGER POINTS FOR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AT CERTAIN TIMES.
THAT'S, THIS IS, THIS MIRRORS WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE CURRENT PD THAT APPLIES TO BOTH THE NORTH SIDE DEVELOPMENT, SOUTH OF THE SILVER LINE, AS WELL AS WHAT CURRENTLY APPLIES TO THE 21 ACRES.
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UTD DEVELOPMENT HAS, HAS DEVELOPED WITH MULTIPLE, UH, MULTIPLE, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE WITH THE WHOLE ROW OF RETAIL, ANOTHER WITH A CORNER OF RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN YOUR STANDALONE RETAIL PIECE OUT AT THE CORNER OF SYNERGY PARK AND FLOYD.UM, AND THEN SOME SMALLER RETAIL OFFICE SPACES ON SOME OF THE INTERIOR BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THEIR PD DID NOT REQUIRE THAT THAT MUCH RETAILER, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT BE BUILT PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
YEAH, OVERALL, I, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND I WANNA SEE IT HAPPEN.
I I JUST THINK THAT, UH, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BIGGER COMMITMENT THAT FOR SURE THAT'S GONNA BE MIXED USE.
UM, CUZ I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF THE VIBRANCY WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN, IN THIS KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I I DO HOPE IT'S GOT MAYBE SOME ELEMENT OF A THEATER OR, UH, A PUBLIC EVENT SPACE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOTEL, CERTAINLY RETAIL RESTAURANTS.
I KNOW YOU DID THAT WITH NORTHSIDE AND U T D AND IT LOOKS GREAT.
UH, IT'S JUST NOTHING IN HERE RIGHT NOW SAYS IT HAS TO BE MIXED USE.
I KNOW PRACTICALITY THAT, UM, THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN.
UM, UM, OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE PARKING DENSITIES, UH, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE TOO BIG OF A CONCERN WITH THOSE IN THAT IT IS A, A STATION.
UH, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE AGREEMENT WITH DART AND HAVING THE, UM, THE RIDE, UM, UH, PARK AND RIDE, PARK AND RIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS BECAUSE, UM, IT HAS TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS AND THE TENANTS THAT ARE HERE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO OTHERS THAT CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SILVER LINE STATION.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT ALL, YOU KNOW, I, I HA I DO STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, THE ACCESS THROUGH THE SITE, UM, BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE NECESSARILY GONNA GET MAX IT OUT.
SO, UM, YOU MAY HAVE GOT PENALIZED A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH ON THE TRAFFICKED IMPACT STUDY ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, FULL BAIL OUT, ESPECIALLY HALF OF IT, 20 BY 20, 25.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT THAT'S WORTHY OF, YOU KNOW, GOING ON TO THE COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, AND DEBATE.
UH, JOE, YEAH, I, I'M, I'M KIND OF IN A SIMILAR LINE.
I FEEL LIKE ALL THEY'RE REALLY ASKING IS TO MAKE THE, THE WOLVERINE TRACK THE SAME AS THE REST OF IT.
AND THAT'S KINDA HARD TO DENY CUZ OF THE PROXIMITY AND THE UNIFORMITY THAT WOULD CREATE, I KNOW THAT'S ZONED AS A, UM, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY IS, IS, UH, CRUCIAL.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT OFFICE BUILDING'S BEEN SITTING THERE A LONG TIME.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THE DOOR TO BUILD OTHER THINGS THERE.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
THE OTHER PART IS I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE KIND OF THE LANGUAGE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE OTHER STUFF DID.
UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, WELL, I THINK I SAID THIS ALREADY, IT'S KIND OF LOOSE IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S DEFINED, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE, THE CITY FOR, UM, CERTAIN MORE SPECIFIC PLANS, I THINK IS PROBABLY REASONABLE.
UM, SO I REALLY, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF REASON, UH, NOT TO DO THIS.
AND I THINK THE GROWTH IS THERE AND THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE.
I CAN, THIS SEEMS LIKE KIND OF A MINOR POINT, BUT I DO LIKE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF MAINTAINING THE 0.8 PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM, UH, WITHOUT THE RELIEF OF TWO, TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS.
IF, IF THE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS ARE GONNA BE A LOW PERCENTAGE, I DON'T SEE THAT AS MUCH OF A, UM, A PENALTY.
SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, INCLUDE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, GARY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING, UH, THAT PARKING AND RIGHT AREA IS GONNA BECOME PARKING.
IT NEEDS TO BE AT THAT A, UH, CONSISTENT LEVEL AT 0.8 PER BEDROOM PREPARED MOTION.
IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY READY FOR, UH, A, UH, MOTION.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM TWO, ZONING VIAL 2306 WITH THE, UH, INCLUSION OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR A 0.8 PARKING UNIT PER BEDROOM.
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OKAY, I SECOND THAT.WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANY OPPOSED NO PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO GOOD LUCK ON THE PROJECT AND, UH, NOTHING ELSE FOR US.
UH, NO SIR, OTHER THAN I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP TOMORROW WITH AN EMAIL TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION.
BUT JUST A REMINDER THAT ON JULY 31ST, UH, THAT'S A MONDAY, UH, THAT WE WILL HAVE THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, REGARDING THE UPDATE TO THE 2009 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT EMAIL TONIGHT OR TOMORROW.