* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] GOOD [CALL TO ORDER] EVENING. I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE RICHON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM AUGUST 21ST, 2023. FIRST ON OUR AGENDA IS VISITORS AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS. MR. MAGNA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MAYOR, ALL THE CARDS WE RECEIVED IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE ARE REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, I'LL LOOK TO CITY SECRETARY AND ME TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO [B. PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPOSED TAX RATE OF $0.56095 PER $100 VALUATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024. Citizens wishing to address the City Council can submit comments electronically by 5:00 p.m. by utilizing the Public Comment Card found here: www.cor.net/PublicCommentForm.] TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEM B, PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPOSED TAX RATE OF A 0.56095 PER 100 VALUATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 AND 2024. MR. BAGAR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AS I MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, CARDS REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE RECEIVED IN ADVANCE OF 5:00 PM DEADLINE. LET ME GO AHEAD AND, UM, I'LL ADDRESS THOSE NOW. UH, WE RECEIVED THE CARD FROM MS, UH, KELLY PRITCHARD MCGARRY, AND, UH, WAS REGARDING THE TAX RATE AS WELL AS, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF SOLAR PANELS AND OTHER TAX REBATE PROGRAMS. UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED AN EMAIL INDICATING, UM, THAT, UM, MR. KEVIN MCCONNELLY COULD NOT ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT, UH, THAT HE OPPOSED THE TAX RATE INCREASE, THOUGH PROPOSED RATE IS NOT CHANGING. UM, I'LL, UH, ASSURE MS. MCGARRY AND MR. MCCONNELLY THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. UH, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A, UH, REPORT FROM BOTH THE, UH, APPRAISAL DISTRICT WEBSITES, BOTH DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY. UM, THERE'S A COUNTY TAX TRANSPARENCY WEBSITE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH, AND, UH, IT'S A RATHER BLUNT FEEDBACK. IT'S EITHER A YES OR NO, UH, UH, RESPONSE, UH, TO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE TAX RATE, WHETHER THEY SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT. SO LET ME READ THESE OFF JUST SO THEY CAN BE PART OF THE RECORD. UH, MS. LISA FORTENBERRY, UH, 45 15 LANEY COURT. UH, THE, UH, REGISTERED VOTE. YES. UH, NICHOLAS WOFF OF 5 28 TIFFANY TRAIL, VOTE NO. UH, MARIBEL TUSSY OF 1253. DELMONT, VOTE NO. ADA ALTO, SEVEN 14 NORTH, UH, SEVEN 14 NORTH PLANO ROAD. VOTE NO THERE. JONES, 1913 CAMPBELL COURT VOTE YES, LUISA MENDOZA. 3 3 3 MELROSE DRIVE, VOTE NO. CARRIE GRUB, 5 0 6 SOUTH GROVE, VOTE NO. AND BRIAN WELLER FIVE 14 MALTON DRIVE, VOTE. YES. UH, I'LL ASSURE ALL OF, UH, UH, THESE, UH, STAKEHOLDERS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS ALSO RECEIVED THE CORRESPONDENCE FROM BOTH APPRAISAL DISTRICTS. THANK YOU, MR. MAGNER. AT THIS TIME, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. SEEING NO COMMENTS. GREAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, JUST START A, A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AS, UH, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR AS THE COMMUNITY IS AS WELL. YOU SEE OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS REALLY STARTING TO WIND DOWN. UH, THIS, THE, UH, UH, FINAL OF TWO WEEKS, UH, TODAY, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE NEXT WEEK, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE COUNCIL WITH A CONSIDERATE CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND THE RELATED ITEMS. UM, THIS, UH, IS JUST A SUMMARY. UH, THE ONLY CHANGE FROM, UH, PRIOR BRIEFINGS IS THE ADDITION OF THE AUGUST 14TH, UH, 2023 BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT WAS CONDUCTED LAST WEEK. I, I SHARE THIS TO JUST, AGAIN, REITERATE WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHILE TONIGHT'S AND, AND NEXT WEEK'S, UH, UH, BRIEFINGS ARE ABBREVIATED, THERE'S BEEN A CONSIDERABLE TIME AND ENERGY PUT IN BY THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, ON ALL THE DEEP DIVES THAT YOU SEE THROUGH THE JUNE JULY TIMEFRAME. THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, WHICH IS A TWO NIGHT, UM, UH, BRIEFING OF ABOUT, UH, FIVE HOURS TOTAL, UH, THE, UH, TAX RATE BRIEFING, UH, ON THE SEVENTH, UH, TO FOLLOW UP AND, UH, AND, UH, REALLY FOCUS IN ON THE INCREMENT PIECE TO THE TAX RATE THIS YEAR. AND THEN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, UH, LAST YEAR, I'M SORRY, LAST WEEK, EXCUSE ME. UH, THE ECONOMIC AND OTHER FACTORS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. UH, THE RISING INTEREST RATES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FED, AND REALLY RE INCREASING RATES NOW TO FROM BETWEEN FIVE TO FIVE AND FIVE, FIVE, A 22 YEAR HIGH, UH, IMPACTING NOT ONLY THE CITY'S, UH, ABILITY TO BORROW, UH, BUT ALSO, UH, A LOT OF THE ENTERPRISE AND, AND BUSINESS CONSIDERATIONS AND THE COMMUNITY, UH, CONSUMER BEHAVIOR. AGAIN, UM, CONTINUING, UM, TO GROW AS YOU LOOK AT THE CONSUMER, UH, CONFIDENCE, UH, THAT'S CONTINUES TO DECLINE. AND PRESSURES, UM, NOTWITHSTANDING, UM, GOOD, GOOD PRESSURES ON THE ELECTRIC, ELECTRICITY AND, UH, FOOD SIDE. UH, OVERALL SPENDING STILL, UM, VERY CAUTIONARY AND, UM, AND, AND CONTINUING TO, TO, UH, UH, BE DAMPENED, UH, INFLATION. WE'VE TALKED, UH, A LOT ABOUT INFLATION. AND IN EVERY ONE OF THE DEEP DIVES AND IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, [00:05:01] UH, THE SIGNIFICANT INFLATIONARY PRESSURES THAT THE CITY IS DEALING WITH, AND EVERYTHING FROM THE SMALLEST, UH, UM, VALVES AND, AND PIPE THAT WE USE TO, YOU KNOW, MILLION DOLLAR, UH, FIRE APPARATUS AND SEEING, UM, DOUBLE DIGIT, UH, AS UPWARDS OF, UH, 30% INFLATIONARY PRESSURES ON SOME OF OUR MOST, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, CAPITAL PROJECT, UH, PURCHASES AND PROJECTS AS A RESULT. UH, WHILE IMPROVING THE SUPPLY CHAIN, UM, STILL IS IMPACTING, UM, CERTAIN, UH, AREAS OF, UM, UH, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION REALM. AND THEN RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE KEY FOCUS AREAS OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW COMPETITIVE THE NORTH TEXAS JOB MARKET IS. WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED HOW, RIGHT NOW, IN TEXAS IN PARTICULAR, UH, FOR EVERY 91, I'M SORRY, FOR EVERY 100 JOBS AVAILABLE, THERE ARE 91, UH, UM, UM, PROSPECTIVE, UH, EMPLOYEES. UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY'S SITUATION WHERE WE'VE NOT BEEN, UM, EXEMPT FROM THIS AT ALL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ATTRITION THAT WE'VE HAD, AND YOU LOOK AT THE PRE PANDEMIC AND POST PANDEMIC, UH, NOTWITHSTANDING YOUR GREAT SUPPORT FOR A LOT OF VERY INNOVATIVE, UM, STRATEGIES TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN, AS WELL AS A STRONG COMPENSATION PACKAGE LAST YEAR, WE STAND ABOUT THE SAME, ALMOST 10% OF OUR POSITIONS VACANT. UH, MANY OF THOSE POSITIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MOST CRITICAL AREAS, PUBLIC SERVICES, POLICE, UH, FINANCE, UH, BUILDING, INSPECTION, ENGINEERING. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS WHERE MOST OF OUR RESOURCES ARE GOING, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE, UH, THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION RIGHT NOW. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE APPLICANTS, UM, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE. AND SO THE BIG STORY BEING, UM, WE NEEDED TO GET AGAIN, UH, REALLY CONSIDER HOW TO MAKE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, UH, ONE OF THE FOREMOST, UH, PRIORITIES OF THIS BUDGET. UM, FOR THAT, AGAIN, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT TO, UH, GO STRONGER THAN THE INITIAL BUDGET, UH, WORKSHOP PRESENTATION, UH, LAID OUT AT, TO THAT END, WE, UH, IN THIS BUDGET THAT WAS FILED, THERE'S A 6%, UM, UP TO A 6% MARKET-BASED MERIT, UH, BASED INCREASE, UH, FOR BOTH SWORN AND NON-SWORN PERSONNEL FOR SWORN PERSONNEL. THERE'S THE ADDITION OF A 5%, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR A 5% STEP INCREASE, UH, AS WELL. AND YOU SEE THOSE, UH, THE, THE TOP TWO LINES, HOW THOSE ARE, UH, ITEMIZED. UM, VERY IMPORTANTLY, UH, THE LIVING WAGE. UH, WE, UH, WITH THE 6% ADJUSTMENT NOW, TAKING THE LIVING WAGE, UH, OUR MINIMUM, ANY PERMANENT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE OR PERMANENT PART-TIME EMPLOYEE WILL MAKE IN THE CITY IS 1889. UH, THAT'S COMPARED TO 65 CENTS ABOVE THE DALLAS COUNTY LIVING WAGE OF 1824. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UH, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT THE FRONTLINE WORKERS, THAT WITH THE RIGHT, UH, CARE AND, AND ATTENTION, WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, AND RETAIN THESE FOLKS AND GROW THEM INTO SOME OF THE KEY TECHNICAL POSITIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY FINDING. THIS IS THE GROW YOUR OWN KIND OF A STRATEGY. SO AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR YOUR SUPPORT. UM, YOU SEE HERE, UM, JUST AT THE TOP, UH, OUR KEY INDICATORS OF WHERE WE STAND, PARTICULARLY IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE. UM, AGAIN, UH, STRONG RESPONSE LAST YEAR BY THE COUNCIL. UM, BUT, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES IN NORTH TEXAS, SUCH A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU SEE HOW WE, UH, FELL DRAMATICALLY, UH, IN, IN THE PD AND THE FIRE, UH, THE PUB POLICE OFFICER AND THE FIREFIGHTER RANKINGS, UM, PD 11 OF 13 CITIES, UH, THAT WE SURVEYED, FIREFIGHTER NINE OF 13 CITIES AT THE MAXIMUM WITH THIS 6%. UH, YOU'RE NOT JUST DEMONSTRATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, STAY COMMITTED TO BEING IN THE TOP FOUR. UH, YOU'RE PROVIDING A CUSHION, UH, GOING ABOVE THAT TOP FOUR. SO WHEN OTHER CITIES MAKE THEIR MOVES, UH, WE DON'T FALL. WE'RE GONNA SLIDE. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A POINT IN TIME AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND APPRECIATES THAT, BUT WHEN WE DO SLIDE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SLIDE AS FAR BACK. AND BY DOING THAT ONE OR TWO OR THREE YEARS IN A ROW, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL STRENGTHEN OUR POSITION OVERALL, AND WE'LL MAKE OUR, OUR, OUR SALARIES, UH, AND OUR, OUR APPROACH TO, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, MORE RESILIENT AS, UH, AS THE, AS WE, WE DON'T SEE ANY SIGN OF A STRONG NORTH TEXAS ECONOMY AND THE STRONG NORTH TEXAS ECONOMY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY REALM LIGHTENING UP. BUT IT'S NOT JUST PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS COMMITMENT THAT YOU'VE MADE IS IMPORTANT TO OUR GENERAL, UH, GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AS WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON THERE. UH, MANY NOW MOVING INTO AT LEAST THE TOP FOUR, UM, UH, RANKING OF, UH, OF THE, UH, THE 12, UH, 13 CITIES THAT WE, UH, SURVEYED, THE 12 OTHER CITIES THAT WE SURVEYED. UH, IN ADDITION, UM, I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU NUMEROUS TIMES, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON MY MIND DAILY, IS, UH, THE CHANGE IN TENURE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE CITY. UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, ABOUT 140 OR SO EMPLOYEES WITH ONE YEAR LESS EXPERIENCE. IF WE FILL THOSE OTHER A HUNDRED JOBS TODAY, MAGICALLY, WE'D HAVE ALMOST 25% OF OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WITH ONE YEAR OR LESS EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY. UM, THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THE COMPLICATED AND, AND OFTEN, UH, INTRICATE JOBS THAT WE DO. WATER PRODUCTION, FOR INSTANCE, SEWER TREATMENT, UH, BUILDING INSPECTION. AND SO, UM, ONE, ONE OF THE, UH, RECRUITMENT, UH, [00:10:01] OR RETENTION, EXCUSE ME, STRATEGIES THAT, UH, I FEEL IS VERY IMPORTANT IS THE INCREASING THE LONGEVITY TO REALLY SHOW THOSE MORE TENURED EMPLOYEES THAT THEY'RE BEING, UH, THOUGHT OF, THAT THEY'RE APPRECIATED, AND THAT WE WANT 'EM TO REMAIN WITH US. UH, IT'LL BE THIS GROUP OF EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THIS CHANGE IN LONGEVITY THAT'LL HELP US REALLY PREPARE THESE, UM, A HUNDRED OR 200, UH, EMPLOYEES WITH ONE YEAR OR LESS EXPERIENCE, UM, TO CONTINUE PROVIDING THE EXCEPTIONAL SERVICES THAT WE DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEN THE ADDITION OF THE FLOATING HOLIDAY, AGAIN, UM, MAKES US VERY COMPETITIVE AND STARTS TO BRING US INTO ALIGNMENT MORE WITH WHAT WE SEE, UH, IN OTHER CITIES IN NORTH TEXAS. THE SECOND KEY, UH, AREA IS PUBLIC SAFETY. UM, AGAIN, UH, VERY EXCITED THAT THE, UH, TOTAL COMMITMENT BY THE CITY THIS YEAR TO PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOING UP $6.3 MILLION. UM, INCLUDED IN THAT, UH, UH, IS, UM, EXPANDED INITIATIVES LIKE MENTAL HEALTH AND, UH, PHYSICAL HEALTH ASSESSMENTS FOR POLICE. AGAIN, ADDING THE MENTAL HEALTH, UH, TO, UH, TO THE FIRE WHO ALREADY HAS THE, UH, PHYSICAL, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE RECLASSIFICATION OF A LIEUTENANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOW MOVING AND TRANSITIONING TO 12 HOUR SHIFTS EVERY SHIFT, UH, MANY WHO WILL BE HAVING SERGEANTS, UH, RECALL, WE HAVE SEVEN SERGEANTS NOW WITH ONE YEAR OR LESS EXPERIENCE, MANY NOW BEING ABLE TO, UM, HAVE THOSE YOUNG SERGEANTS HAVE A LIEUTENANT THAT THEY CAN GO TO AS THEY, UH, REALLY KIND OF BECOME MORE EXPERIENCED IN THEIR JOBS. UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVES, UH, INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE UNIDOS AND OTHER, UM, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UH, INCREASED FUNDING FOR THAT, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. NINE NEW FIREFIGHTERS. THIS SECOND YEAR IN A ROW, WE ADDING NINE NEW FIREFIGHTERS. IF YOU RECALL, LAST YEAR, IT WAS TO ACTIVATE AMBULANCE SIX, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, MUCH NEEDED, BUT HERE, THREE FIREFIGHTERS TO ACTIVATE A BLOCKER. UM, THIS IS AN APPARATUS THAT WILL TAKE ONTO US 75 ONTO GEORGE BUSH. AND WHEN THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS, THIS WILL ALLOW THE BLOCKER, UH, TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, ESTABLISH ITSELF A COUPLE OF HUNDRED, UH, UH, YARDS FROM THE INCIDENT TO CREATE A BARRIER. UM, ALL FAR TOO OFTEN, AND WE'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND. THERE, THERE ARE TOO CLOSE OF CALLS, UH, WHERE OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE RESPONDING ARE AT RISK. BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE THERE TO ASSIST ARE AT A GREATER RISK WHEN THIS BLOCKER ISN'T THERE. AND SO THIS IS A, UH, AN IMPORTANT MEASURE. AND THEN, UH, TWO, UH, OVERTIME REDUCTION STRATEGIES, BRINGING ON SIX, UH, FIREFIGHTERS, UM, TO HELP WITH THE MANDATORY COVERAGE, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UH, AS A RESULT OF I S L AND OTHER REGULATIONS. AND THEN TWO PART-TIME FIRE INSPECTORS THAT'LL ALLOW, UM, THOSE MANDATORY INSPECTIONS TO BE CON CONDUCTED IN A MORE TIMELY WAY AND NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON FIREFIGHTERS, UH, WORKING OVERTIME TO, UH, TO MANAGE THOSE. SO, ULTIMATELY, THOSE TWO INITIATIVES WILL, WILL SAVE US MONEY IN THE LONG ONE, UH, ONCE THEY'RE FULLY IMPLEMENTED. UH, WE TALKED, UH, AGAIN ABOUT, UH, CAPITAL INVESTMENT AS WELL. IT'S NOT JUST, UH, PROGRAMMING AND STAFF. UH, 15 NEW VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE, UH, DEPARTMENT. UH, THE FLOCK CAMERAS, UH, 20 OF THOSE THAT'LL BE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE, UH, COMMUNITY. AND THEN YOU SEE THE REGIMENT. UH, THIS IS OUR, OUR TRADITIONAL, UM, UH, PLAN THAT WE SHARE WITH YOU EACH YEAR FOR CAPITAL. WE HAVE THE PUMPER TRUCK THAT'LL BE REPLACED AT $1.2 MILLION, UH, AN AMBULANCE, UH, AT ALMOST $400,000. NOW, A COUPLE OF COMMAND VEHICLES AND THEN SOME OTHER, UM, ITEMS, UH, THAT YOU SEE THERE FOR, UM, SAFETY AND SECURITY. THESE ARE, THESE ARE SPECIAL, UH, PROGRAM AREAS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THESE ARE JUST OUR REGULAR ROUTINE OF REPLACING INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS VERY EXCITING. THAT'S $2.9 MILLION MORE THIS YEAR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. UH, WE DID THAT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU SEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, UH, JUST TO MAINTAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF, UH, MAINTENANCE ON THINGS LIKE SIGNS AND MARKINGS, UM, THAT WE DID LAST YEAR IN THE BASE BUDGET. WE INCLUDED 250 THOU, ALMOST $250,000 MORE. UM, AND I WILL COME BACK TO HOW WE AUGMENT THAT FOR EXPANDED, BUT IN EXPANDED INITIATIVES AND ADDITIONAL $50,000 TO ADD TO THE, THE, UH, 210 AND, UM, I'M SORRY, THE, UM, $120,000 TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF WASH ENTRY FEATURES IN ADDITION TO THE SCREENING WALLS. UM, AND, UH, OTHER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE. YOU SEE AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN STREETS PREDOMINANTLY FOR LOCALIZED REPAIR, UM, AFTER, UM, UH, BREAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, WATERLINE BREAKS, UH, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THIS, UH, THAT, THAT WE'LL USE WITH PREDOMINANTLY FOR A CONTRACTOR, BUT ALSO, UM, ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT CAN USE FOR LOCALIZED REPAIR. AND THAT'S ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY IN NEIGHBORHOODS, IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, YOU SEE, UM, WE WILL COME BACK TO THIS AT THE END OF THE, THE BRIEFING HERE, BUT YOU'LL SEE A $67 MILLION, UM, UH, YEAR THREE OF, OF THE BOND PROGRAM. UM, YOU SEE, UH, ALMOST $20 MILLION IN, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER MAINTENANCE. UH, THAT'S BOTH DEAD AND PEGO. AND THEN YOU SEE OUR DRAINAGE FEE, UH, AND DRAINAGE INITIATIVES THAT WE SHARED WITH YOU DURING THAT DEEP DIVE. UM, AND THEN EXCITED HERE ON THE, ON THE, UH, STREET AND ALLEY ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS, BUT ESTABLISHED FIRST IN 2012 WITH ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET AT THAT TIME. WE'RE NOW UP TO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE ALMOST $7.7 MILLION, UH, 5.7 [00:15:01] FOR STREET DEDICATION. THAT'S A $1.1 MILLION INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. UH, THAT'S, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN INCREASE THAT LARGE IN STREET, IN THE STREET MAINTENANCE PAYGO PROGRAM. AND THEN YOU SEE THE ALLEY PROGRAM THERE, ALMOST NEARING $2 MILLION. NOW, EQUALLY PERCENT WISE, UH, LARGE ARE THE INCREASES IN THE PARKS, MAINTENANCE INITIATIVES, AND THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE INITIATIVES. NOW, TAKING THOSE UP TO US ABOUT $600,000 A YEAR. AND THEN ON THE LATTER ON THE FACILITIES, BECAUSE THERE WAS, UM, A FAIR AMOUNT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, UM, UH, DURING THE COVID PERIOD WHEN WE WERE REALLY BUDGETING CONSERVATIVELY. UM, WE ARE, WE'RE, WE ARE HAVING A $250,000 OF SPECIAL INITIATIVES TO KIND OF CATCH UP ON SOME THINGS THAT HAVE, UH, DEFERRED. AND IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THEM NOW, UH, THE, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY'LL END UP COSTING US SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, UM, UH, BECAUSE WE, WE PUT 'EM OFF TOO LONG. UM, WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THOSE THINGS. I MENTIONED TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. IN ADDITION TO THE $250,000 MORE IN THE BASE BUDGET, UH, TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WE'RE ADDING, UM, $230,000 FOR SIGNS AND MARKINGS, UH, ABOUT $175,000 FOR PAVEMENT, UH, MARKINGS. AND FOR BIKE LANES RECALL, THIS WAS A PART OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. IT WAS A GOAL COMING OUTTA THAT TO GET ON A FIVE YEAR ROTATION, UM, FOR, FOR THESE ITEMS AND AT THIS NEW FUNDING LEVEL. SO THESE ARE DOLLARS THAT WE'LL BE ADDING TO, UH, THE BASE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED AS PART OF THE WORKSHOP. UM, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET ON A, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE A FIVE YEAR ROTATION, UH, REPLACEMENT ROTATION. AND SO WHAT WE'LL SEE A LOT LESS OF IS THE SIGNS THAT ARE COMPLETELY FADED OR THE MARKINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY GONE BEFORE WE CAN GET TO 'EM. WE'LL BE PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING THOSE WITH THIS. UH, SAME FOR STREETLIGHTS. THERE, YOU SEE AN ADDITIONAL 7,000, UH, $70,000, UM, AND, UH, THE, UM, ENHANCED SIGNAL BUDGET, UH, STREET POLICY, UM, UM, AND, UM, YOU SEE THERE, UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER SMALLER INITIATIVES, THE LATTER, UH, THE LAST THREE OR SO, ALL COMING OUT OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THESE WERE ACTION ITEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WHEN WE PRESENTED THAT TO YOU. AND THEN, I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS, UH, BUT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT CAPITAL, UH, REPLACEMENT FUND ITEMS. UH, THINGS LIKE, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, SKID, UH, REAR LOADERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR BOTH, UH, STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION ALL MAKE UP THAT $2.9 MILLION. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NEW REVENUE THAT WE HAVE, UM, IS THE $15.4 MILLION, UM, AND YOU SUBTRACT OUT, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND NON-PUBLIC SAFETY COMPENSATION, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I DESCRIBED IN PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN YOU EXTRACT, UH, SUBTRACT THE $4 MILLION THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN OUR 90 DAYS OF FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS THE 4 MILLION. THERE'S ABOUT $2.3 MILLION REMAINING OUT OF THAT 15.4 MILLION FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INITIATIVES. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT HERE ABOUT SOME OF THE GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS. UM, AS WE'VE, UH, TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE DID SEE A, A, THE, UH, TOTAL, UH, TAXABLE VALUES GROW BY ABOUT 7.33% FROM, UH, F Y 23. UM, THE BUDGET IS PREDICATED ON A NO CHANGE IN THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, AND IT'S USING, UH, ABOUT 0.01858 OF THE, UH, MORE, ALMOST 5 CENTS OF INCREMENT, UH, THAT WE HAD, UM, UH, UH, BUILT UP FROM, UH, BACK AS, AS EARLY AS 2021. IT INCLUDES ABOUT 200 AND AND $10,000 OF ADDITIONAL FEES. UM, IT INCLUDES, AS I MENTIONED, THE 6%, UH, MERIT BASED, UH, INCREASE. IT INCLUDES THE, UH, 1889 LIVING WAGE, UH, THE LONGEVITY. UM, AND THEN I MENTIONED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY, UM, THE DIFFERENT INCREASES IN THE STREET REHABILITATION FACILITY PARKS. UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND IN A SECOND. UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES, UM, YOUR SUPPORT OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES THAT I IDENTIFIED, UM, THAT, UH, IN PARTICULAR, UH, IN THE FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING REALM TO BE RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE, UM, NOTED. AND, UM, AND, AND, AND THE REPORT THAT CROWE PRESENTED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY. AND THEN IT INCLUDES THE CREATION OF THE FACILITIES AND FLEET DEPARTMENT TO TAKE THOSE TWO IMPORTANT INTERNAL OPERATIONS AND CENTRALIZE THEM, THEREBY, UM, FREEING UP CAPITAL PROJECTS TO FOCUS ON, UH, WHAT AMOUNTS NOW TO ABOUT A $500 MILLION, UH, FIVE YEAR CAPITAL, UH, PRO PROGRAM. AND, AND, AND, UH, REALLY ALLOWS THAT, UH, IN, IN COORDINATION WITH AECOM TO REALLY EMPHASIZE AND FOCUS ON THAT. AND, UH, REALLY, UH, GO OUT AND BRING IN, UM, SOME FACILITY, UH, UH, LEADERSHIP TO, UH, REALLY START TO ADDRESS THE, UH, VERY DIVERSE, UH, UH, A MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT WE HAVE HERE. EVERYTHING FROM AN $80 MILLION, VERY SOPHISTICATED ADVANCED PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING TO A 25, UH, ALMOST 25 YEAR OLD, UM, UH, PUBLIC SERVICES CENTER. UM, AND WE NEED SOMEONE THAT CAN COME IN AND THAT HAS THE, UM, UH, SKILL AND, AND, UH, EXPERIENCE TO, TO HELP US MAINTAIN THOSE. UM, IN TURN OF, UH, GENERAL FUND REVENUES, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S $15.4 MILLION, UM, ADDITIONAL THIS YEAR. UM, THAT TAKES IT TO ONE POINT 179.61 MILLION, UM, FROM PRIOR YEAR BUDGET. UH, THE PROPERTY TAX CATEGORY IN THE BUDGET YOU'LL SEE GROWS BY 7%. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT ALSO INCLUDES THINGS LIKE, UH, UH, PRIOR YEAR TAXES AND, UM, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S NOT JUST THE GROWTH AND THE PROPERTY TAX. WE MENTIONED THE INCREMENT. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, [00:20:01] UM, UH, THE, THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND HOW THAT, THE CATEGORIES NOW MAKE UP, UH, THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, 85% OF ALL THOSE FUNDS GO TO THREE OR ARE, ARE DERIVED FROM, UH, THREE AREAS. UH, YOU SEE PROPERTY TAXES THERE AT, UH, JUST OVER 75 MILLION. UH, THE SALES TAX NOW, UH, UH, JUST OVER 58 MILLION. AND THEN FRANCHISE FEES, UH, JUST OVER SLIGHTLY OVER 19, UH, MILLION NOW. AND YOU SEE ALL OF THAT, UH, THAT'S 85% OF ALL THE REVENUE JUST FROM THOSE THREE CATEGORIES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CERTIFIED ROLE, UM, IT'S, UH, JUST OVER, UH, 24, UH, BILLION DOLLARS NOW. UM, IF YOU, UH, FACTOR IN THE VALUES IN DISPUTE AND THE TIFF, UH, THAT TAKES IT DOWN TO, UH, JUST ABOUT $21.8 BILLION, AND THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVE AT THE 7.33%. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THAT'S, UH, ALMOST 150, UH, MILLION DOLLARS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS WELL IS, UH, IS, UH, INCLUDED, UM, IN THAT NUMBER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, TAX ROLL IMPACTS, WHAT DOES THIS REALLY MEAN? SO OUR AVERAGE HOME VALUES, UM, UH, THE MARKET HAS INCREASED BY ABOUT 7.44% TO 431,000. THE TAXABLE BY ABOUT 7.68% TO ABOUT 351,000. 96% OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS SAW A, A MARKET AT, AT MARKET VALUE INCREASE OF AT LEAST 10%, 62% OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNT ACCOUNTS QUALIFIED FOR THE HOMESTEAD CAP. THAT LIMITS THE, UH, TAXABLE INCREASE TO 10%. UM, CURRENT SENIOR EXEMPTION, AS YOU WELL KNOW, BACK IN FEBRUARY, YOU INCREASED THAT TO $130,000, UH, JUST SHY OF THE, UH, 30%, UH, PROTECTION THAT'S, UH, THAT WE TRY TO ACHIEVE. THAT'S OUTLINED IN YOUR, IN YOUR FINANCIAL POLICIES. UM, AND YOU SEE HERE, 31.2% OF RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS, SO ALMOST ONE THIRD OF ALL RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS. NOW RECEIVE THAT $130,000, UM, EXEMPTION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND COMMERCIAL VALUE SPLIT HASN'T MOVED MUCH FROM LAST YEAR. UH, 40.87% RESIDENTIAL, 59 POINT 13% COMMERCIAL. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL TAX ROLL CHANGE, RESIDENTIAL IS UP ALMOST 12% COMMERCIAL, ABOUT 4.5%, AND THEN B P P UP ABOUT 17.5%. UM, THIS IS A HEARING ON THE PROPERTY TAX, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER THIS ONCE AGAIN, AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO AGAIN, THE PROPERTY TAX, UH, UH, RATE IS ADOPTED, IS THE ADOPTED RATE THAT, UH, UH, THE, UH, TAX RATE ASSESSED ON THE TAXABLE VALUE, UH, OF REAL PROPERTY AND B P P. IT'S TWO ELEMENTS OR TWO COMPONENTS OF THAT. THAT'S THE M AND O. AND THEN THE DEBT RATE. UM, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WOULD BE THE RATE THAT YOU WOULD ADOPT IF YOU RATE, IF YOU WERE TRYING TO, UH, GENERATE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME REVENUE AS YOU DID BACK IN F Y 23. UH, THERE'S TWO VOTER APPROVAL RATE CONSIDERATIONS HERE. UH, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS THE HIGHEST RATE THAT YOU CAN ADOPT WITHOUT A MANDATORY RATIFICATION ELECTION. SO THIS IS THE NEW SSB TWO, IT'S 3.5%. THIS WAS THE OLD ROLLBACK RATE OF 8%, IF, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT TERM. UM, THE, UH, PUBLISHED VOTER APPROVAL RATE INCLUDES THE TOTAL INCREMENT THAT THE CITY HAS AVAILABLE TO IT AT THAT TIME. SO IF WE GO TO THIS CHART, WE CAN RUN THROUGH THIS. SO FOR THE CURRENT TAX RATE, IS THE 56 0 9 5 NUMBER, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, OBVIOUSLY LOWER BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, UH, TRYING TO GENERATE ANY NEW REVENUE AND VALUES AS WE SAW, RATE, UH, WERE INCREASED. SO THAT'S THE 56 0 2 NUMBER, UH, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITHOUT THE INCREMENT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE 3.5% RATE, THE SB TWO RATE, THAT'S THE 54 2 3 7 NUMBER, BUT IF YOU INCLUDE THAT ALMOST 5 CENTS OF INCREMENT THAT WE HAD, THAT BRINGS YOU UP TO THE 59 0 7 7 NUMBER. THESE ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, WILL BE REQUIRED IN CERTAIN PUBLICATIONS, AND THEY'LL BE REQUIRED AS YOU ADOPT A BUDGET NEXT WEEK. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. SO HOW DID WE END UP WITH THE INCREMENT AND WHY ARE WE PROPOSING TO USE IT? SO AGAIN, UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO 2021, THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR OF COVID. D C A DID NOT PROVIDE A CERTIFIED TAX ROLE AT THE, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, LIKE THEY, LIKE THEY HAVE EVERY OTHER YEAR, WE ESTIMATED THE BEST WE COULD. BUT YOU SEE THERE, THE ADOPTED PROPERTY TAX RATE OF 6 2 5 1 6 WAS, UH, THAT FOUR, UH, ALMOST 5 CENTS SHY OF WHAT THE, THE ACTUAL VOTER APPROVAL RATE THAT YEAR OF THE 0.6 6, 9 7. SO THERE AT THE TOP THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, 4 1 8 1 CENTS OF INCREMENT WAS, UH, GENERATED. UH, THESE NUMBERS WILL LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU ACROSS THE BOTTOM HERE. SO THE CURRENT TAX RATE, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH THE INCREMENT IN THE END HERE, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT THE TAX RATE REMAIN THE SAME THAT WE USE, UH, ONE, UH, ONE ESSENTIALLY EIGHT FIVE 8 CENTS OF THE INCREMENT. WE ALLOW THE OTHER TWO PLUS CENTS OF INCREMENT TO FALL OFF. IT'S NEVER AVAILABLE TO US AGAIN. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE IS, UH, THE BEST STRATEGY, UH, TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE THAT YOU GAVE US IN THE WORKSHOP, TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE PRIORITIES AND TO INCLUDE THOSE PRIORITIES THAT YOU GAVE. UM, SO WE'RE, UH, FOR, WE'RE HAPPY TO FOREGO THAT ADDITIONAL 2 CENTS INCREMENT. THERE IS A SEAT AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER THERE, THERE IS A LITTLE INCREMENT FROM 2122, UM, THAT WILL REMAIN, BUT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT YEAR THREE YET, AND IT HASN'T FALLEN OFF IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SB TWO, UH, GUIDANCE. UM, UH, HERE YOU SEE, UH, UH, [00:25:01] JUST A COMPARISON OF OUR, UH, TAX RATE. UM, UH, LAST YEAR, OUR TAX RATE WAS RANKED THE FIFTH LOWEST AMONG OUR PURE CITIES. YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE, UH, AND YOU SEE RICHARDSON AT ABOUT 2 CENTS OR SO, LESS THAN THAT. UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL CHANGE THIS YEAR. UM, I WILL TELL YOU, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CITIES, UH, FOUR FOR SURE ON THIS CHART THAT ARE ALSO USING INCREMENT THIS YEAR, ARE PROPOSING TO USE INCREMENT, AND THEIR COUNCILS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT SAME CONSIDERATION THAT YOU ARE. UM, IF YOU WERE IN DALLAS COUNTY IN 2021, THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE, UH, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY CERTIFIED ROLE. THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE CONSERVATIVE IN ESTIMATE LOW LIKE WE DID. AND SO, UH, THERE'S A CONSIDERATION, UH, REALLY ALL THROUGH DALLAS COUNTY ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT DOES ROLL OFF. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ESTIMATED TAX BILLS THIS YEAR, YOU SEE, UM, UH, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, IN DALLAS COUNTY BEING ABOUT 31% OF THE TOTAL BILL. AND, AND, AND IN COLLIN COUNTY, ABOUT 34% OF THE TOTAL BILL. SO WHERE DO THESE FUNDS GO? UM, UM, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT ALREADY. UM, UM, UH, 14.92 MILLION, UM, HERE, UH, TARGET, UH, TO, TO 100, UH, 178.13 MILLION. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON HERE THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO MENTION. AGAIN, AGAIN, THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER PROGRAM IS FULLY FUNDED AT 1.2 MILLION. UH, THE NETWORK OF COMMUNITY, MINI COMMUNITY MINISTRIES AND COUNSELING PLACES. UH, THEIR, UM, A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY, SUPPORT FROM THE CITY HAS BEEN RAISED TO $500,000 EACH. UH, THERE'S ART MASTER PLAN AND AN AQUATICS MASTER PLAN IN THE GENERAL FUND. UH, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS ONGOING SUPPORT FROM THE CITY'S INCLUDED. UM, AND THEN FUNDING FOR ENHANCED CULTURALLY DIVERSE PROGRAMMING, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER, AND, UH, AS IT, AS IT AS IT DEVELOPS ITS GOALS, AND THEN STRATEGIES, ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE, UH, DIVERSITY ON OUR BOARDS, ALL THOSE THINGS INCLUDED IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU SEE LISTED HERE AND THAT WE'VE COVERED, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF THE OTHER, UH, FUNDS, UM, AS, AS, UH, YOU LOOK AT PAGES 29 THROUGH 89 OF THE BUDGET THAT IT WAS FILED, UH, THAT I FILED BACK ON, UM, UM, UH, ON, ON, UH, FRIDAY THE 11TH. IF YOU GO THROUGH THESE, YOU'LL SEE, UM, IT REPRESENTS THE REMAINING FUNDS OF THE CITY, UM, INCLUDING THE BIGGEST, UH, WATER SEWER SOLID WASTE, GOLF, HOTEL MOTEL, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE INTERNAL SERVICE, SPECIAL REVENUE AND CAPITAL FUNDS. IN TERMS OF THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAVE PROPOSED A 3% INCREASE, UH, UH, UH, AND, AND, UH, OUR, OUR, UH, SINGLE RATE FOR WATER AND SEWER RATES. UM, UH, THIS IS, UH, DEALING WITH, UH, ABOUT AN 11% WHOLESALE WATER INCREASE FROM THE NORTH TEXAS MISSILE WATER DISTRICT. AND THEN 15 PLUS OR MINUS 15% INCREASES FROM OUR WASTEWATER, UM, UH, UM, TREATMENT, UH, PROVIDERS, INCLUDING THE DISTRICT. UM, IMPORTANTLY IN THE WATER FUND, UH, WE ARE REACTIVATING THE ENVIRONMENTAL OUTREACH MANAGER POSITION. UH, THIS IS A POSITION THAT'LL BE FOCUSED ON HELPING TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT AND IMPLEMENT STRATEGIES TO FURTHER WATER CONSERVATION. UH, THEY'LL BE PARTNERING WITH THE WATER DISTRICT AND OTHER REGIONAL EFFORTS. UM, WE HAVE A FACILITY SPECIALIST. UH, IT'S A NEW POSITION THAT WE HAVE, UH, ADDED IN THE WATER FUND. THIS WILL BE A PERSON THAT WILL BE, UM, DEDICATED TO THE MAINTENANCE OF, UH, THINGS LIKE OUR PUMP HOUSES AND OUR PUMP STATIONS, BUT ALSO THE PUMPS THEMSELVES. UM, AND THEN AS WE'VE GOT ABOUT $14.7 MILLION IN CAPITAL, UM, AND, UH, THAT'S BOTH, UH, THROUGH, UH, SOME DEBT ENDS, SOME AND SOME PEGO, AND THE SOLID WASTE, UH, FUND, WE ARE PROPOSING A $1 INCREASE, UH, PER MONTH FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WHILE MAINTAINING THE 26% DISCOUNT FOR SENIORS. AND A 3% ACROSS THE BOARD RATE FOR COMMERCIAL. UH, THE MAIN DRIVERS IN THE SOLID WASTE ARE, OF COURSE, THE, THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED FOR THE COLLECTION, AS WELL AS, UM, THE, UH, LABOR. BUT IT'S ALSO, UM, I WANNA MAKE NOTE HERE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE, UH, IN THE, IN THE PLAN THIS YEAR IS A FUNDING FOR A SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PLAN, MUCH LIKE THE AQUATICS AND THE, UM, AND, UH, THE ARTS PLAN. AS WE FURTHER OUR COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, UH, THESE WILL BE IMPORTANT STUDIES THAT'LL HELP INFORM, UH, ELEMENTS OF THAT. UH, UH, WE ALSO ARE DEALING WITH INCREASED COST OF, UH, COMPOSTING A NEW PROGRAM, UH, THAT WITH THE OTHER FOUR, UH, MEMBER CITIES OF, UH, THE SOLID WASTE SERVICES FOR THE, FOR THE NORTH TEXAS WATER DISTRICT, RESTRUCTURING THAT. UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, UH, DEALING WITH AND BEEN RESPONSIVE IN THIS BUDGET TO REDUCE, UH, REVENUE FROM RECYCLING. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO FOCUS ON RECYCLING AND PRIORITIZE THAT, BUT THE COMMODITIES ARE JUST NOT AS VALUABLE AS THEY ONCE WERE, AND WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE HOTEL MO, I'M SORRY, IN THE GOLF FUND. UM, YOU SEE, UM, WE, UH, ARE PLANNING THE COURSE TWO RENOVATION, UH, THAT WOULD NECESSITATE THE CLOSURE OF COURSE TWO FROM JANUARY OF 24 THROUGH, UH, SEPTEMBER OF 24. UH, THIS BUDGET, UH, ACCOUNTS FOR THE, UM, UH, REDUCED REVENUE THAT WE WILL RE, UH, UH, UH, EXPERIENCE AS A RESULT OF THE COURSE BEING CLOSED, UH, AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE CONTINUED MAINTENANCE THAT WERE REQUIRED OF THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT BEING RENOVATED, OR THE AREAS THAT COME ON LIKE THE GREENS MOST, UH, VERY EARLY IN THE PROJECT. THOSE WILL HAVE TO STILL BE MAINTAINED. WE DO HAVE A, UM, TRANSFER IN OF ABOUT $600,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO HELP, UH, MITIGATE THE, THE CLOSURE OF THE COURSE AND THE IMPACT [00:30:01] THAT THAT'LL HAVE ON THE REVENUE. UM, BUT I WILL COMMIT TO YOU AND I, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO YOU, UM, THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THE COURSE OPENING AND US BETTER UNDERSTANDING, UM, ITS, UM, UH, ITS, UM, UH, PLAYABILITY AND, AND HOW QUICKLY IT'LL COME ONLINE. WE'LL BE DOING AN ASSESSMENT, UH, TO, UH, UH, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FEE STRUCTURE AND HOW IT COMPARES TO COURSE ONE, HOW IT COMPARES TO OTHER COURSES HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, UH, AFTER THE RENOVATION. AND THEN A HOTEL MOTEL FUND, UM, UH, AGAIN HERE, UH, REALLY REACTIVATING, UH, THE EISMAN CENTER IS THE MAIN THEME HERE. UM, WE ARE INCREASING THE, UH, CULTURAL ARTS, UH, GRANT FUNDING BACK TO $375,000. BUT REALLY, UH, THE DRIVER HERE ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE IS THE SAFETY AND SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE EISMAN. WE REALLY DEFERRED A LOT OF, UH, PROJECTS AT THE EISMAN THROUGHOUT COVID. IT WAS PROBABLY OUR MOST UNCERTAIN, UM, FACILITY IN TERMS OF WHEN IT WOULD BE ACTIVATED AND FULLY BACK ONLINE. AND SO, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CATCH UP. I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS LIKE ELEVATORS AND, AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL. AND THEN THE REACTIVATION OF FOUR POSITIONS, UH, AS PART OF, UM, THE FULL PROGRAMMING OF THE EISMAN, INCLUDING A, A FULL EISMAN CENTER PRESENT SEASON. UH, THE DRAINAGE FUND, THE WORK PLAN HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE DEEP DIVE PRESENTATION. UH, WE DID NOT INCLUDE A, UM, A INCREASE, UH, UM, IN THE DRAINAGE FEE RECOMMENDED THIS YEAR. BUT, UM, I WILL TELL YOU IF, UH, WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES WE ARE NEXT YEAR, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO CUT BACK ON SOME OF THE SERVICES, IF THEY ARE COSTING US MORE TO DO THE SAME, OR DO WE CONTINUE TO, TO, TO, UH, REVISIT SMALL INCREASES TO THINGS LIKE THE DRAINAGE FUNDS TO KEEP UP AND BE RESPONSIVE TO THE INFL INFLATION AND THE TIF FUNDS. UM, THE AV GROWTH, UH, WAS 13.6% FROM F Y 23 THAT, UH, THAT'S NOW UP TO ABOUT 2.28 BILLION. THAT GENERATED ABOUT 14 POINT A HALF MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. THAT REVENUE IN COMBINATION, UM, WITH, UH, COLIN AND DALLAS COUNTY PARTICIPATION REVENUE. UM, AND THE PRIOR YEAR FUND BALANCE ALLOWS FOR ABOUT 33.4 MILLION OF INCENTIVES, UH, AND PROGRAMS, UH, TO BE IMPLEMENTED. UH, THE INCENTIVES ARE PREDOMINANTLY, UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, IN TIF TWO AND THREE, THE LARGEST, UH, PORTIONS OF THOSE. UH, AND THEN IN TIF ONE, SOME SPECIFIC, SOME SPECIAL PROJECTS LIKE THE BELT AT MAIN. AND THEN THE PROGRAMS ARE THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, THE OPEN SPACE AND THE, AND THE CORE DISTRICT, UH, THE LINEAR OPEN SPACE THAT, THAT WE'LL BE CREATING. AND SO, UH, YOU IN THE, IN THE, UH, FUND SUMMARY THERE, YOU CAN SEE A FULL, UH, A DETAIL OF THOSE. AND THEN FINALLY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. UM, UH, AGAIN, THIS WAS ONE OF THE KNOBS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE'VE TURNED YEAR TO YEAR. UH, THIS IS KIND OF FULLY RESTORED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, UH, ALMOST TO, UH, $2 MILLION A YEAR, UH, WHICH WILL SIG SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THE FUND'S ABILITY, UH, TO BE A PART OF FUNDING STRATEGIES WHEN WE ARE ASKED TO COME UP WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UM, UM, UM, UM, STRUCTURES FOR POTENTIAL, UH, PROJECTS, UH, THIS YEAR'S DEBT ISSUANCE, UH, SERIES 24, WHICH WE'LL, UH, FOLLOW UP AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IN FEBRUARY. UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, YOU SEE, UH, UH, $67.5 MILLION REFERRED TO EARLIER AS YEAR THREE OF THE, UH, 2021 BOND PROGRAM AND SOME FOR, UH, CITY HALL UNDER THAT SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, OR, UH, SECONDARY BOND, UH, INITIATIVE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, NOW BEING COMPLIMENTED. $3 MILLION WAS A SUPPLEMENT FOR THE LIBRARY PROJECT THAT WAS TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD PRESENT ITSELF, UM, IF, UH, THE CITY HALL PROJECT WAS APPROVED. AND THEN, UH, OUR WATER, WASTE WATER SOLID WASTE AND FIRE EQUIPMENT FOR $88.4 MILLION FOR SERIES 2020, UH, SERIES 2024. IF YOU, UH, ADD ALL OF THESE, UH, UH, DIFFERENT INITIATIVES UP, YOU SEE AT THE VERY BOTTOM THERE, UNDER BUDGET, 20 23, 24, A TOTAL BUDGET OF ABOUT 399, UM, UH, ABOUT A 12.5, UH, PERCENT, UH, INCREASE BUDGET TO BUDGET, OR, UM, A 9.3% INCREASE, UH, ESTIMATE TO BUDGET. WHAT DOES THIS REALLY ALL MEAN FOR, UH, THE, UH, TYPICAL TAXPAYER OR THE, THE, THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER? IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAXES, IT'S ABOUT $141. ADDITIONAL YEAR OVER YEAR. WATER CHARGES IS ABOUT $29. SEWER CHARGES, 14 DRAINAGE FEES, ZERO SOLID WASTE, ABOUT $12. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU, UH, UH, THE, UH, SENIOR, UH, POPULATION WOULD'VE THE 26% DISCOUNT, THERE WE'RE ABOUT, UH, JUST SHY OF $200 A YEAR MORE FOR ALL OF THESE, UH, SERVICES, UM, COMPARED TO, UH, THE PRIOR YEAR. UM, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS, AS I MENTIONED, IS, UH, A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET. UM, AND, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE TAX RATE, END OF THE BUDGET, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT NEXT WEEK ON AUGUST 28TH. AND, UH, MAYOR, COUNSEL, I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU ALLOWING ME TO RUN THROUGH THIS. AGAIN, I KNOW SOME OF THIS IS VERY FAMILIAR TO YOU, BUT I THINK, UH, WITH YOUR DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE, I KNOW THAT ANYONE NEW TO THE DISCUSSION, YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO HAVE THE FULL, UH, BENEFIT OF THE STORY. AND THAT'S WHY WE, UH, WE TAKE THIS TIME TO DO THIS. SO THANK YOU, AND WE STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. MAGNER. MS. NEER, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENT CARDS? NO CARDS, MAYOR. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE [00:35:01] WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL? OKAY, COUNSEL, ANY MOTION? COULD I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? MR. RE, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED DIRECT TAX RATE OF 0.56095 PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS VALUATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023. 2024. THANK YOU. COULD I GET A SECOND, MS. JUSTICE? SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. LET ME REITERATE, NOTE THE SLIDE. WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON AUGUST 28TH AT 6:00 PM AT THE TEMPORARY RICHARDSON CITY HALL, WHICH IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE. AT THIS TIME, [C. RECEIVE THE AUGUST 9, 2023 SIGN CONTROL BOARD MINUTES AND CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL OF SCB CASE #23-01, ARAPAHO CENTRAL PARK.] WE WILL MOVE TO ACTION ITEM C TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 9TH, 2023 SIGN CONTROL BOARD MINUTES, AND CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL OF THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE NUMBER 23 DASH OH ONE, WHICH IS ARAPAHOE CENTRAL PARK. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, OUR, UH, BUILDING OFFICIAL BRENT NER IS GONNA MAKE HIS WAY TO THE PODIUM. UH, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE HAD A SIGN CONTROL BOARD CONSIDERATION OF A VARIANCE. UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, BRENT WILL RUN THROUGH, UH, THE PARTICULARS OF THE CASE. HE'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH A SUMMARY OF THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS. YOU CAN ACCEPT THE MINUTES. SO SOMEONE WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD, AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY RATIFYING OR CONFIRMING, UH, THE ACTION THAT THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD, UH, UM, TOOK. IF FOR SOME REASON YOU WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR ACTION, THEN YOU COULD CALL UP THE CASE. AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD, UH, SCHEDULE A ANOTHER HEARING IN FRONT OF THE COUNSEL, INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME AND PRESENT THEIR CASE, AND THEN YOU WOULD HEAR THAT, UH, AS ON A DIFFERENT NIGHT, UH, AS A SEPARATE ACTION OTHER THAN, UM, OTHER THAN, UH, THIS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. SO, BRENT, APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU, DON. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU THE RESULTS OF OUR AUGUST 9TH SIGN CONTROL BOARD MEETING, SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE 23 DASH ZERO ONE IS FOR ARAPAHOE CENTRAL PARK, LOCATED AT 1002 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. AS, AS DON STATED THAT IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE BROUGHT A CASE IN FRONT OF YOU. SO I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU JUST WITH A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES, AS WELL AS YOUR ROLE IN THAT PROCESS. AS THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD CONSIDERS VARIANCE REQUESTS TO THE CITY SIGN REGULATIONS BASED ON CHAPTER 18 OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. THEY CAN ACT IN THREE PRIMARY WAYS. THEY CAN GRANT THE VARIANCE BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. THEY CAN GRANT A VARIANCE THAT IS OF, OF GREATER OR LESSER NATURE THAN WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, OR THEY CAN ACTUALLY DENY THE VARIANCE. UH, ONCE THAT ACTION IS TAKEN PLACE BY THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD, THEN THAT IS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WE'RE DOING TONIGHT FOR YOUR REVIEW. UM, AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN ACT BY EITHER APPROVING THE MINUTES, AS DON MENTIONED, OR YOU CAN TAKE AN ALTERNATE ACTION, UH, AND POSSIBLY CALL THIS CASE UP. UM, OVERALL, IN ANY CASE, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD BOARD'S DECISION BECOMES FINAL, UM, UNLESS REVERSED OR MODIFIED BY YOU, AND THAT OCCURS NO LATER THAN THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING FOLLOWING THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD MEETING. THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCE ON THIS CASE TONIGHT APPLIES TO TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. UH, THE FIRST BEING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, UH, THIS APPLIES TO POLL SIGNS. SITES LESS THAN 10 ACRES ARE PERMITTED, UH, ONE SINGLE USE POLE SIGN. UH, THE SECOND PORTION OF THE, UH, SIGN REGULATIONS THAT APPLIES TO THIS CASE IS ALSO SIZE. MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGNS ARE, ARE LIMITED TO 80 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA AND 20 FEET IN HEIGHT. THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE IS REQUESTING TWO VARIANCES. THE FIRST IS TO ALLOW FOR 147 SQUARE FOOT, 30 FOOT HIGH, UH, MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGN. UH, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY RIGHT PER OUR SIGN REGULATIONS IS 80 SQUARE FEET AND 20 FEET IN HEIGHT. UM, AND THE SECOND REQUEST IN THIS VARIANCE CASE IS TO ALLOW FOR A MULTI-TENANT PULL SIGN ON A SITE LESS THAN 10 ACRES, UH, SITES LESS THAN 10 ACRES ARE LIMITED TO A SINGLE USE PULL SIGN. BASED ON OUR, OUR ASSIGNED REGULATIONS, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS THREE PRIMARY REASONS FOR THE REQUEST TONIGHT. THE, UH, TENANTS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, FACING THE DART RAIL, HAVE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY NO VISIBILITY, UH, TO CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. THE APPLICANT ALSO FILLS DUE TO THE SPEEDS OF, OF THE MOTORIST ON THE FREEWAY ON CENTRAL, AND THE FREEWAY BEING ELEVATED AT THIS LOCATION. UH, THE EXISTING SIGN AS IT STANDS TODAY, IS JUST NOT VISIBLE. AND THEN FINALLY, THE DESIGN OF THE EXISTING SIGN IS OUTDATED. UH, THIS, THE SIGN IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE, WAS CONSTRUCTED, UH, APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO IN 2004. THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND EAST ARAPAHOE ROAD. UM, IT'S JUST WEST OF, UH, THE DART RAIL ALONG NORTH GREENVILLE AVENUE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE SUBJECT SIGN IDENTIFIED BY THE LIGHT BLUE.IN THE, ON [00:40:01] THE SCREEN AND THE ARROW VIEW, UM, SHOWS THE SIGN TO BE PLACED. UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN TO BE PLACED ALONG THE MAIN ENTRANCE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ENTRANCE AND A LANDSCAPE ISLAND, AND THEN SHOWN BY THE GREEN DOT, IS THE EXISTING SIGN. UH, THIS SIGN CURRENTLY IS LOCATED ALONG THE SAME MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT IS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE. AND IN THIS CASE, THAT SIGN WOULD BE REMOVED. UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN, AGAIN, IS A MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGN, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE RENDERING. UH, IT IS, UH, PROPOSED TO BE 30 FEET IN OVERALL HEIGHT AND 140 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL AREA. UH, THE TENANT PANELS WILL BE, UH, 14 SQUARE FEET EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 130, UH, 134 SQUARE FEET OVERALL. AND THEN THE ADDRESS SIGN PORTION OF THE SIGN IS GOING TO BE 13 SQUARE FEET AGAIN, UM, ALLOWED BY RIGHT, YOU'RE ALLOWED A 20 FOOT HIGH SIGN IN A 80 SQUARE FOOT, UH, AREA FOR SIGN BASED ON OUR SIGN REGULATIONS. THIS PARTICULAR SIGN WILL BE COMPRISED OF AN ILLUMINATED OR ALUMINUM CABINET. AND, UH, IT'LL BE BACK LIT WITH ILLUMINATED LETTERS THAT'LL BE WHITE, UH, IN COLOR. UH, THE EXISTING SIGN IS SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT IS, IT DOES APPEAR TO BE DATED. UM, IT IS A TOTAL HEIGHT OF 16 FEET AND A TOTAL AREA OF 77 SQUARE FEET. SO MUCH SMALLER, UH, THAN WHAT'S DESIRED TODAY. UH, AND AGAIN, IS IS ALSO THE REASON FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IN A SENSE THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE. UH, AGAIN, THIS SIGN WILL BE REMOVED, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE NEW SIGN GOING IN IF IT'S APPROVED. AND HERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED SIGN. THIS SHOWS THE DAYTIME VIEW, UM, AGAIN, LOCATED THAT MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE SITE. AND THEN THERE'S A NIGHTTIME VIEW SHOWING THE BACK LID ILLUMINATION WITH THE WHITE LETTERS. AND THEN THIS IS A NORTHBOUND VIEW OF THE PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION. AGAIN, THE EXISTING SIGN HAS SHOWN WILL BE REMOVED AS A RESULT OF THE NEW SIGN GOING IN IF IT'S APPROVED. AND THEN THIS IS A SOUTHBOUND VIEW OF THE PROPOSED SIGN ALONG, UH, THE SERVICE ROAD. AND THEN IN THIS CASE, THE SUN CONTROL BOARD VOTED TO APPROVE THE CASE BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO, UM, AS, AS DON STATED EARLIER, AS, AS WELL. UH, YOU DO HAVE TWO OPTIONS TONIGHT. AS A REMINDER, YOU CAN APPROVE THE CASE AS PRESENTED BASED ON THE MINUTES PROVIDED TO YOU TONIGHT, OR YOU CAN CALL THIS CASE UP FOR FULL CONSIDERATION, UH, AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING. AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. MR. GOWAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR, FOR PRESENTING. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, THE EXISTING SIGN THAT'S THERE SORT OF TAPERS DOWN, UH, TO THE GROUND. SO VISIBILITY IS NOT, UH, CRITICAL WITH THIS SIGNAGE. IS THERE GONNA BE ANY ISSUES WITH INCOMING OR, UH, ENTRY INTO THE COMPLEX? ACTUALLY, NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UH, THERE HAS TO BE A SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AT THAT LOCATION. SO WE, WE VERIFY THAT IT'S SET BACK BASED ON A SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE, AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE FINE AT THE LOCATION. WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED INTO THAT. OKAY. UH, IS IT GOING TO BE LIT OR IS, IS IT BACK LIT? YEAH, IT'LL BE BACK LIT. ILLUMINATION. OKAY. UM, AND WHAT COLOR IS IT? IT'S MAINLY, UH, I CAN GO BACK TO THAT. LET'S SEE. AND YOU MIGHT'VE MENTIONED THAT. I JUST, I MEAN, IT, IT DOES THE, THE COLOR THERE IN THE DAYLIGHT, UH, SHOWN THERE. IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BROWNISH BLACK COLOR. THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THAT'S, YEAH. AND THEN THE GRAY, THE GRAY PANELS FOR THE ASSIGNED PANELS, RIGHT. I THINK THAT COMPLIMENTS THE PAINT, UM, CORRECT STEAM THAT THEY DID ON THE BUILDING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , THAT'S, YES. YES. IT'S AESTHETICALLY, UH, COMPATIBLE. OKAY. UM, THE EXISTING SIGN, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE EXISTING SIGN? ARE YOU GONNA JUST DEMO IT OR? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, OBVIOUSLY, SO WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY DEMO IT. THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD DO THAT. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING SIGN. I DO LIKE IT, YES. . ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. BARRIOS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. UM, LOOKING AT THIS, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A NICE LOOKING SIGN AND I DRIVE BY THERE ALL THE TIME, SO I CAN SEE WHERE THIS WOULD, WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE. UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IT WAS A WHILE SINCE A COUNCIL HAD BEEN, AND DEFINITELY MY EXPERIENCE, THIS IS MY FIRST ONE, UH, WHILE ON A COUNCIL, BUT, UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY ALMOST DOUBLING WHAT IS STANDARD OR ALLOWED FOR THIS AREA. IS THAT PRETTY NORMAL TO COME IN, ASKING FOR TWICE WHAT'S ALLOWED, I MEAN, IN ANYBODY'S EXPERIENCE, I DUNNO. WELL, RELATIVE TO THE SIGNS ALONG CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, IT'S DEFINITELY UNDERSIZED COMPARED TO OUR, LIKE I SAID, LET'S SAY OUR TOP FIVE SIGNS, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE BETWEEN TWO 50, UH, BETWEEN 200, 250 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL AREA. SO IT'S, WELL, WELL UNDER THAT, THAT, THAT NUMBER. SO IT'S, IT'S IN LINE WITH THE CONSISTENCY OF NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND, AND THOSE, UH, DISTRICTS ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT AREA, ALONG THE CORRIDOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. BERU [00:45:01] AND RUD, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTION, I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION IF I HAVE ONE QUESTION, IF THAT'S OKAY? NO, YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. UM, HELP ME GO BACK A FEW YEARS WHEN WE HAD THE TOYOTA SIGNS THAT WE TURNED DOWN, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE? THEY'RE JUST OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE HIGHWAY PRETTY MUCH, RIGHT? UM, CAN YOU HELP, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY? I'M NOT SAYING I'M AGAINST THIS. I'M JUST ASKING FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES. YES, SIR. SO AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE PROPOSING A DIGITAL DISPLAY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS MOTION AND MOVEMENT. UM, AND AGAIN, THE SIZE, WHEN THEY INITIALLY CAME IN FOR THAT PARTICULAR SIGN WAS OVER, I THINK IT WAS TWO, I'M GONNA SAY THE DIGITAL DISPLAY WAS AROUND 250 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL AREA. UM, SO WE BROUGHT THAT BEFORE YOU AND IT GOT DENIED. WE BROUGHT IT BACK, THEY REDUCED THE SIZE, BUT AGAIN, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE MOTION AND THE SIZE OF THE DIGITAL DISPLAY, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE A DISTRACTION, OR I BELIEVE COUNSEL FELT THAT WAS THE CASE, UH, FOR TOYOTA SIGN. AND DID THEY NOT HAVE TWO SIGNS AND SO THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP ONE SIGN AND ENHANCE THE SECOND SIGN, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR. SO THAT'S ANOTHER DIFFERENCE, WHICH MAKES THIS A STANDALONE PROJECT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK THAT CLEARS THAT UP FOR ME. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. HUTCHEN, WRITER, I'LL TAKE THAT MOTION. ALRIGHT. I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 9TH, 2023 SIGN CONTROL BOARD AND APPROVE THE, UM, SS C B CASE NUMBER 23 DASH ZERO ONE AT ARAPAHOE CENTRAL PARK. COULD I GET A SECOND, MR. CORCORAN? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND IN FAVOR. FA ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, GO TO ITEM [D. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DRAFT CONCEPTS FOR THE NEW CITY HALL AND MUNICIPAL CAMPUS] D, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DRAFT CONCEPTS FOR THE NEW CITY HALL AND MUNICIPAL CAMPUS. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UM, WE JUMPED RIGHT INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AS, AS IS, UH, IS THE CASE IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT I THINK, UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE A SECOND AND SAY WELCOME TO EVERYBODY. UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS'LL BE, UH, THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THE NEXT, UH, THREE YEARS, UH, TO, TO 42 MONTHS AS WE, UH, RENOVATE THE LIBRARY AND REBUILD, UH, THE CITY HALL, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE CAMPUS THERE, ARAPAHOE IN 75. UM, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT TOMORROW, UH, IS THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE FIRE AT CITY HALL. IT'S, IT WAS AUGUST 22ND. UH, IT WAS THIS MEETING LAST YEAR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE THAT WE, UH, HAD TO RESCHEDULE ABOUT 10:00 AM AND MOVE TO THE, TO THE BASEMENT IN THE LIBRARY. AND SO I ONLY SAY THAT TO SAY IT'S BEEN, UM, IT'S BEEN A, UH, A VERY LONG YEAR , UH, AND, UH, OUR STAFF HAS BEEN AMAZING. UH, YOU HAVE BEEN AMAZING AND PATIENT, UH, NOT EVERYTHING HAS WORKED JUST RIGHT ALL THE TIME, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, SOME OF THE DISRUPTION THAT WE'VE, UH, UH, UM, UH, ENCOUNTERED. AND YOU'VE BEEN PATIENT AND YOU'VE BEEN UNDERSTANDING. OUR STAFF HAS LIKEWISE BEEN PATIENT AND UNDERSTANDING, WORKING IN SOME, UH, VERY, UM, CONDITIONS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY CONDUCIVE TO, UH, THE MOST PRODUCTIVITY OR THE MOST, UM, COLLABORATION, WHICH IS A KEY TO THE WAY WE WORK. UM, I'M EXTREMELY EXCITED THAT WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, 60 DAYS OR SO, ALL OF OUR STAFF WILL BE RELOCATED TO THIS BUILDING, INCLUDING THE LIBRARY CLOSING, UH, AND, AND, AND REOPENING AROUND IN, IN MID-OCTOBER. SO, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR A, A REALLY LONG TIME. UM, I WANT TO, UM, I WANNA TAKE JUST A SECOND HERE AND, AND JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY, UH, FROM AFAR REALLY UNDERSTANDS HOW MUCH, UH, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE I'M ABOUT TO INTRODUCE HAS DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY BECAUSE WHILE THEY WERE, UM, PROGRESSING THE LIBRARY, UM, SPACE STUDY, UH, SPACE NEEDS STUDY, UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UH, STOPPING AND PAUSING THE CITY HALL, UH, RENOVATION PROJECT QUICKLY, UH, PIVOTING AND CREATING CONCEPTS THAT WE COULD USE TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, THROUGH THE EDUCATION PROCESS OF THE BOND PROGRAM, UM, THEN, UH, EVEN BEFORE THE BOND PROGRAM PASSED, BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA BE DISPLACED, UH, CREATING A CONCEPT AND, AND PLANS FOR THIS BUILDING AND GOING OUT AND PROCURING ALL OF THE, UH, DESK AND EQUIPMENT AND, AND THEN ENCOUNTERING ALL KINDS OF ADVENTURES WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FLOOR HERE. IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE AMAZING, UM, PROCESS, UM, TO, TO, UM, SEE HAPPEN. AND, AND SO I WANNA JUST, UH, PUBLICLY THANK CHARLES GOFF. [00:50:01] UM, BY THE WAY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHARLES GOFF , UH, TODAY'S CHARLES BIRTHDAY. BUT, UH, CHARLES HAS, CHARLES HAS, HAS REALLY SHEPHERDED THIS ALONG WITH, UH, JIM LAC AND CAPITAL PROJECTS. UM, UM, BUT, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT PARTNERS AS WELL, UH, UH, UM, ASNA, UH, AND, UM, FROM AECOM AS WELL AS, UH, DONNY, UH, FINN AND THE AUDIENCE THERE HAVE, UH, COME ON THE, UH, DONNY COMING ONTO THE PROJECT RECENTLY, UH, HAVE BEEN AWESOME. UH, PARTNERS, UH, IN, IN THE AUDIENCE IN A, IN A RICHARDSON RESIDENT, UH, ANDREW DUGGAR, UH, WITH, UH, WITH, UH, STUDIO OUTSIDE, UH, ADDING A GREAT DEAL OF, UM, UH, LANDSCAPE, UH, ARCHITECTURE, UH, VALUE TO THE PROJECT. AND THEN VERY IMPORTANTLY, UH, UH, DAVID CHASE AND, AND, UM, ANN, UH, STEINLE, UM, HAVE, UH, BEEN, UH, JUST A PARTNER TO, TO, UH, JIM AND CHARLES THIS, THIS WHOLE WAY. AND, UH, I, I THINK, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE, LIKE I SAY, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE GOES, UH, TO THE, TO THE COMMON PERSON, UH, GOES REALLY UNNOTICED. BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN JUST AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF WORK. UH, IT'S, THEY DID THIS BUILDING IN PROBABLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE TIME. SOME A, A GROUP WOULD NORMALLY DO THIS AND, UM, AND TO, TO GET US ACTIVATED. SO I THINK IF, UH, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN JUST SHOWING THEM SOME APPRECIATION, UM, WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT, I, I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, SO WE, UH, WE DID COME TO YOU PREVIOUSLY. UM, UM, AND WE SHARED, UH, SOME INSIGHTS INTO THE LIBRARY, UH, SPACE NEEDS. AND WE KIND OF TALKED, WE SHOWED YOU FLOOR PLANS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. UM, WE WILL BE COMING BACK IN JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO HAVE A, UH, VERY, UM, ARTICULATE DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT THE EXTERIOR OF THE LIBRARY. UH, TONIGHT IS ALL ABOUT THE CAMPUS. UM, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT TRYING TO ARRIVE, UM, AT ONE OR TWO OPTIONS. UM, AND THEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL LOOK, WE BELIEVE SHOULD LOOK THE SAME REGARDLESS OF THE OPTION FOR THE CAMPUS, YOU DECIDE ON, UM, TALKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE, WE CAN USE THIS, THESE IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT WE HOPE TO REACH TONIGHT TO, AGAIN, KIND OF LAUNCH INTO A WHOLE NEW PHASE OF, UH, OF, UH, DESIGN AND, UM, AND CONCEPTUAL WORK. UM, I THINK JIM'S GONNA START OFF BY TALKING ABOUT THE INPUT THAT, THAT WE TOOK FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS PROCESS, WHICH WE'RE VERY PROUD OF. UM, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY REALLY TURNED OUT AGAIN TO, UH, TAKE PART IN THIS. AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, ANNE AND DAVID HAVE, UM, DONE JUST AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB OF TAKING WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A LOT OF, UH, VERY, UH, DIVERSE IDEAS AND COMING UP WITH TWO, UH, VERY SUCCINCT, UM, BUT ALL INCLUSIVE, UM, UM, OF, OF THAT INPUT CONCEPTS. AND SO WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE THESE WITH YOU. AND THEN, UM, JIM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEFING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAGNER. WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING AND BRINGING THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE VERY WARM WELCOME. UH, IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE. THIS TEAM HAS, UH, DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TOGETHER. UM, WE'LL, THIS EVENING WE'LL GO THROUGH AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR PROPOSED GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND, UH, OUR PROGRAMMING LEVEL STUDY THAT, UH, LED TO THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SHOWING YOU THIS EVENING. THE TWO BEST OPTIONS THAT WE, WE CAME UP WITH AND OUR PROJECT BUDGET NEXT STEPS. BUT, UH, BEFORE, WITHOUT, FOR ANY FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO OUR BACKGROUND AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND HAND IT OFF TO ANNE STEM, WHO, UH, IS GONNA LEAD YOU THE REST OF THE WAY AND TALK ABOUT OUR PROGRAM. UH, OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, AS MR. MAGNER MENTIONED, UH, IS ONE OF THE BEST WELL RECEIVED COMMUNITY PROCESSES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HERE IN, IN, IN MY YEARS AT RICHARDSON. UH, AS MANY OF YOU WERE THERE AND, AND, UH, HELPED US THROUGH THIS, WE WERE, WE HAD TREMENDOUS PUBLIC, UH, OUTREACH BOTH ONLINE AND IN PERSON. AND SO COM COMBINING THAT EFFORT WITH OUR COMP PLAN EFFORT, I THINK REALLY HELPED WITH THE SYNERGY AND THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED. UH, WE RECEIVED OVER 500, UH, RESPONSES ONLINE, OVER 200 PEOPLE, UH, IN PERSON. ADDITIONALLY, WE SOUGHT INPUT FROM OUR CITY STAFF SEPARATELY, AS WELL AS WITH YOUR COUNCIL INTERVIEWS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THAT GUIDANCE, FOR YOUR INPUT AND THAT INPUT THAT WE RECEIVE. WE ASKED PEOPLE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, TOUCHING ON A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT CITY HALL, HOW THEY COME TO THE CITY HALL, HOW THEY USE THE CITY HALL, ALSO ABOUT THE CAMPUS. AND AGAIN, AS MR. MAGNUM MENTIONED, WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK PRIMARILY ABOUT THE CAMPUS. AND SO WE WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT KINDS OF ACCESS POINTS THAT PEOPLE PREFERRED TO ENTER THIS, ENTER THE SITE THROUGH, UH, WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES AND FEATURES AND SITE LAYOUT CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS CAMPUS. THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE ASKED THAT REALLY GOT TO THE HEART OF WHERE SHOULD THIS BUILDING BE LOCATED ON THE CAMPUS AND WHAT IMPACTS DO WE THINK COULD BE, UH, UH, TOLERATED OR EXPER, UH, ALLOWED? AND THE FIRST QUESTION WE REALLY PUT OUT THERE, WE HAD HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE DURING THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT, UM, THEY REALLY DID NOT WANT THE CAMPUS TO BE CHANGED VERY MUCH. THEY WERE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND IMPROVEMENTS, AND THAT WAS BORNE OUT IN THE RESULTS THAT WE ACCUMULATED. WE [00:55:01] APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD, ALMOST 29% OF THE CANDIDATES, UH, UH, RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, FELT THAT THEY LEAD THE BUILDING WHERE IT IS HAVE AS MINIMIZED THE IMPACTS THAT YOU CAN TO THE CAMPUS AND YOUR, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LAYOUT, TO THE, UH, MANEUVERING AND, AND THE SITE ACCESS. UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THE OTHER OPTIONS, OUR SECOND AND THIRD OPTIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS, BECAUSE WE WERE ASKING, UH, FOLKS IF THEY WANTED TO CONSIDER MOVING THE BUILDING CLOSER TO ARAPAHOE ROAD. AND IN BOTH QUESTIONS TWO AND THREE, WE RECEIVED OVER 50% SUPPORT FOR MOVING THE BUILDING CLOSER TO ARAPAHOE ROAD, UH, BOTH IN VARYING DEGREES OF HOW MUCH IMPACTS WE COULD HAVE TO THE TREES AND TO OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT CAMPUS. BUT WITH OVER 50% OF THAT IMPROVEMENT, UH, SUPPORTING THE APPROACH TOWARDS, UH, ARAPAHOE ROAD, WE WERE VERY INTRIGUED BY THAT. AND, AND I THINK THE OPTIONS THAT WE PRESENT THIS EVENING ARE RESPONSIVE TO THAT. THAT FOURTH OPTION IS REALLY MORE OF AN OPEN-ENDED PUT THE BUILDING WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FROM A LONG-TERM PERSPECTIVE, AND LEAVING THE CAMPUS, UH, IN THE CONDITION THAT IS MOST, UH, BENEFICIAL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. UH, WHICH AGAIN, SPEAKS TO I THINK, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING AND IMPACTS THAT SUPPORT THAT. SO REALLY, IF YOU COMBINE ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS, WE BELIEVE THAT MORE THAN, UH, TWO THIRDS OF THE RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED WERE, WERE RELATIVELY IN SUPPORT OF A VERY THOUGHTFUL USE OF RELOCATING THE FACILITY ON THAT CAMPUS. UH, SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, RESPONDERS, UH, WAS REALLY NOT ABOUT WHERE THE BUILDING GOES, BUT WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES DO WE WANT TO SEE? AND SO WE ASKED VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. WE LIMITED THEIR NUMBER OF QUESTIONS TO FOUR, PICK YOUR TOP FOUR, UH, BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND WAS EVERYBODY WANTED ALL OF THESE AMENITIES ON THEIR CAMPUS, BUT WE DID FIND THREE AMENITIES THAT REALLY SURFACED TO THE TOP AMONG ALL OF THE RESPONSES. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOLKS REALLY WANT SHADING ON THAT CAMPUS. THEY WANT SHADED AREAS. SECOND, THEY WANT LANDSCAPING. THEY WANT NICE, UH, LANDSCAPING AND, AND THIRD OUTDOOR STAGES AND EVENT SPACE, UH, OR THE THREE MOST POPULAR AMENITIES THAT WE RECEIVED. UH, WHEN ASKED FOR SPECIFIC AMENITIES, UH, THIS NEXT QUESTION THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON ASKED A VERY SIMILAR QUESTION, BUT WE DID IT GRAPHICALLY. WE PRESENTED PICTURES OF WHAT A CAMPUS COULD LOOK LIKE. AND SURPRISINGLY, WE RECEIVED VERY SIMILAR RESPONSES TO THE PRIOR QUESTION, WHICH WAS, WE WANT DENSE TREE GROVES AND AMPLE SHADE. UH, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S GREAT LANDSCAPING AND A REPRESENTATION OF TEXAS NATIVE LANDSCAPING AND SPECIES, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE THAT'S SUITABLE FOR ORGANIZED COMMUNITY EVENTS. SO THOSE THREE SURFACES, THOSE THREE RESPONSES SURFACED TO THE TOP, MUCH LIKE ON THE PRIOR QUESTION. UH, AND SO WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THAT CONSISTENCY FROM ONE QUESTION TO THE OTHER, THOSE WERE THE PRIMARY PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WE RELIED ON, UH, OUR TEAM WITH ARCHITECTS TO COME FORWARD WITH. AND TO TRY TO ASSIMILATE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION INTO SORT OF A, A VERY, UH, CONCISE, UH, SUMMARY. AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, WE'RE NOT DWELLING TOO MUCH ON THE DETAILS ABOUT THE BUILDING, BUT WE FELT THAT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE CAMPUS NEED TO BE WELCOMING, UH, WE WANT BOTH THE CAMPUS AND THE BUILDING TO BE VERY VISIBLE, UH, SAFE, AND TO INCORPORATE SUSTAINABLE ELEMENTS AND ENERGY EFFICIENT AND THROUGH, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH LANDSCAPING OR THROUGH THE ENERGY, UH, CONSUMPTION ON SITE WITH THE CAMPUS OR THE BUILDING. SO WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE ATTRIBUTES THAT ARE BOTH APPLICABLE TO THE BUILDING AS WELL AS TO THE CAMPUS. AND THEN ON THE CAMPUS, UH, WE WANTED TO, UH, REITERATE THAT WE DO BELIEVE WE HAVE THE SUPPORT, UH, TO LOCATE THAT BUILDING CLOSER TO ARAPAHOE ROAD, TO IMPROVE OUR ACCESS OFF OF ARAPAHOE ROAD, TO HAVE A VERY DISTINCT WAY FINDING AND CLEAR POINT OF ENTRY INTO THE CAMPUS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE ON THE SITE AND THE FOUNTAIN TO PRESERVE THOSE, UH, TO CONTINUE HOSTING COMMUNITY EVENTS ON THE CAMPUS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE ADEQUATE OPEN SPACE AND SHAD AREAS, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THAT CAMPUS, UH, WAY FINDING IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT, PARKING WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY, WE DIDN'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING, BUT WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THEIR STRONG DESIRE FOR STRUCTURED PARKING AND OR UNDERGROUND PARKING. I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THIS EVENING, WE ARE NOT PRESENTING EITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS TO YOU. IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR BUDGET AT THIS TIME CAN AFFORD. HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WITH OPTIONS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED THIS EVENING, THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK TO IN THE FUTURE IF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES NEED TO BE, UH, TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO ANNE STEM AND LET HER GET INTO THE MORE EXCITING ASPECTS OF THIS PRESENTATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THANK YOU, JIM. SO AFTER WE GOT, UH, THROUGH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE STAFF, UM, WE SAT DOWN AND WE LOOKED AT PROPOSED GUIDING PRINCIPLES. WE USED, UH, GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO HELP KIND OF DIRECT THE DESIGN, AND WHERE DO WE LEAD FROM THERE? AND THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN PROCESS, WE GO BACK AND WE REFERENCE THESE, UH, GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO SAY, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? DO, ARE WE STILL MEETING THOSE PROJECT GOALS? SO THIS IS THE LIST THAT WE CAME UP WITH FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW [01:00:01] TONIGHT. UM, SOME OF IT IS, UM, A COMPREHENSIVE VISION FOR THIS CAMPUS. WE WANNA CELEBRATE RICHARDSON'S PAST AND WE WANNA LOOK TO THE FUTURE. UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAY FINDING IS AN IMPORTANT FEATURE TO THIS, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CHALLENGE WITH THE CURRENT CAMPUS LAYOUT. UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE, LIKE JIM SAID, THAT WE'RE CREATING A WELCOMING AND SAFE AND SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE'RE ALSO, UM, GOING TO DO THAT WITHIN THE PROJECT BUDGET. UM, WE WANT TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S EXPERIENCE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THERE'S COLLABORATION AND INNOVATION, SINCE THAT'S WHAT RICHARDSON IS KNOWN FOR, UM, AND THAT WE HAVE THIS, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT AND THE FLEXIBLE SPACES, WHETHER THAT'S ON THE ACTUAL CAMPUS OR WITHIN THE BUILDING. AND THEN WE WANT THIS TO BE A, A CATALYST TO ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT AND IMPROVEMENT ALONG ARAPAHO. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID IS WE DID A PROGRAMMING LEVEL STUDY. SO, AS DON MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS PROCESS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, WHERE WE MET WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, AND WE DID PROGRAMMING STUDIES WHEN WE WERE DOING THE RENOVATION. AND SO WHEN, UM, THE FIRE HAPPENED AND WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO MOVE TOWARDS A NEW BUILDING, WE HAD TO REVISIT THAT PROGRAMMING TO DETERMINE WHAT BUILDING FOOTPRINT SIZE NEEDED TO BE ON THE CAMPUS. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE MOST, UM, IMPORTANT FEATURES THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDED TO BE INTERACT WITH ON LEVEL ONE. SO THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND IMPORTANT MEETING SPACES AND, UM, THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC THE MOST, SUCH AS BUILDING, INSPECTION AND WATER SERVICES. AND THEN THERE WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE BUILDING SUPPORT. SO BASED ON THAT, WE DETERMINED THAT WE NEEDED A, UH, GROSS FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT 45,000 SQUARE FOOT. NOW AS WE GO THROUGH AND MORE REFINEMENT TO THE PROGRAMMING THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, GET SMALLER, A LITTLE BIT LARGER, BUT ABOUT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LAND. AND THAT KIND OF DROVE SOME OF THE DESIGN DECISIONS. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. UM, WE DID LOOK AT IF WE DID A FOUR, UH, STORY BUILDING, BECAUSE THERE WAS, UM, THIS DESIRE TO HAVE VISIBILITY FROM 75 AND FROM ARAPAHO. UM, THE COST INCREASE IS SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU START TO GO UP TO FOUR LEVELS. SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT TWO TO THREE WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, UM, HEIGHT CHANGES. AND SINCE WE DO WANT THAT VISIBILITY OF THE BUILDING, WE LANDED ON A THREE STORY BUILDING. UM, AND WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS WILL HELP WITH BALANCING OUT THE SCALE OF THE LIBRARY AND THE VISIBILITY FROM 75. SO WE, AGAIN, WE TOOK EVERYTHING, UM, THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND WE STARTED NARROWING DOWN AND COMING UP WITH SOME OPTIONS. AND SO, UM, THESE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE'LL BE PRESENTING BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD. SO WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE WELCOMING AND EASY WAY INTO THE CAMPUS OFF OF ARAPAHOE. AND WE WANTED THIS TO BE AN INTUITIVE CAMPUS, UH, FOR OPTION A. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE HONORING RICHARDSON'S, UH, PAST AND LOOK TO THEIR FUTURE. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS FEEL VERY PARK-LIKE, BECAUSE THAT WAS A TERM WE KEPT GETTING IN SOME OF THE WRITTEN RESPONSES, IS THAT THEY WANTED THE, THE CAMPUS TO FEEL LIKE A PARK. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN OPTION ONE, I'M GONNA USE THE CURSOR TO KIND OF GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE SITE. SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE WESTBOUND ON ARAPAHOE, WE HAVE A HOODED LEFT TURN HERE SO THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SAFELY TURN INTO THE MAIN CAMPUS ON THIS MAIN DRIVE HERE. YOU ALSO CAN TURN RIGHT IN OR RIGHT OUT THIS GREAT, UM, CENTRAL DRIVE WILL COME DOWN. AND TO THE WEST, WE'RE ABLE TO HONOR THE HISTORY OF RICHARDSON WITH THE FOUNTAIN, THE PECAN TREE, AND THE LIBRARY, AND WHAT REALLY ANCHORS AND IDENTIFIES, UH, THIS COMMUNITY TO THE EAST. WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, DO, UM, A NEW, UM, PLAZA WITH A NEW PUBLIC ART PIECE. AND LOOKING TO THE FUTURE WITH THE NEW CITY HALL, WE CAN COME DOWN THIS MAIN DRIVE AND AT, TO THIS, UM, GREEN SPACE. AND AT THIS POINT THERE WOULD BE WAY FINDING TO DIRECT YOU EITHER TO THE WEST OR THE EAST, TO THE LIBRARY OR CITY HALL. WE HAVE, UM, REALLY NICE DROP OFF AREAS HERE. AND HERE AT THE, UH, ENTRANCES, YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR ENTRANCE FOR THE CITY HALL ON [01:05:01] THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, AND THEN THE SOUTHEAST FOR THE LIBRARY. THIS CONNECTION ALLOWS THESE TWO BUILDINGS TO BE UTILIZED BACK AND FORTH AND, UM, MULTIPURPOSE FOR PROGRAMMING IN BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS. THERE'S, UM, A D A PARKING CLOSE TO THE BUILDING FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS AND THOSE THAT HAVE DISABILITIES TO BE ABLE TO EASILY GET IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN ALONG THE GREEN SPACE, WE HAVE PARALLEL PARKING FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS SUCH AS FOOD TRUCKS. AND THAT COULD, UH, ALL OCCUR HERE WITHOUT, UH, SHUTTING THE CAMPUS DOWN. BUT THEN THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TEMPORARILY TO SHUT DOWN THIS T-ZONE AND USE, UTILIZE THIS ENTIRE PIECE, WHICH BECOMES THE HEART OF THE CAMPUS FOR LARGE CELEBRATIONS. YOU STILL HAVE ACCESS OFF OF THE BELL GROVE, UM, ENTRANCE HERE. AND YOU ALSO HAVE, UM, YOUR CIVIC CENTER DRIVE ENTRANCE HERE AS WELL. WE'VE ENHANCED THE WALK AROUND THE CAMPUS. THERE CURRENTLY IS ONE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LOOP IS CONTINUED ALL THE WAY AND DO LANDSCAPING AROUND THE ENTIRE CAMPUS TO CREATE THAT PARK-LIKE FEELING. AND THEN IF THE CITY DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO DO IT ALONG THE SOUTH WHILE LEAVING THE CIVIC PORTION ANCHORING ARAPAHOE. SO THIS IS A VIEW, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME SCALE OF THE THREE D BUILDING AND THE MAIN DRIVE DOWN. THIS IS STILL GOING, THIS IS STILL IN PROGRESS. THE BUILDING FORM IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE, UM, WORKING ON. UM, THIS IS JUST TO HELP IDENTIFY SIZE AND HEIGHT. UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FOUNTAIN IS CELEBRATED TO THE, UH, WEST AND THEN THE NEW PUBLIC ART PIECE ANCHORING TO THE EAST. THIS IS A SOUTHERN VIEW, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THE GREEN IN THIS DIRECTION. AND, UM, TO HELP GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CAMPUS COULD BE LIKE. UH, WHEN YOU HA HAVE THIS CLOSED OFF POTENTIALLY FOR A LARGE CELEBRATION WITH THIS SOUTHERN PARKING HERE, UM, THAT COULD SERVE ANY SORT OF EVENT THAT YOU'RE HAVING. UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE CONS IS JUST THIS PARKING DOWN HERE IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING THAN, UM, THAN THESE OTHER PARKING LOTS, BUT YOU DO HAVE THESE OTHERS THAT SERVE, UM, THE BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS QUITE WELL. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE FEEL LIKE THIS CREATES A REALLY GREAT FORMAL ENTRY. UM, IT IS A, THE BEST BLEND OF MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. UM, WE THINK THAT THIS IS AN EASY WAY FINDING CAMPUS, AND IT, UM, ACHIEVES THAT CONNECTION TO ARAPAHOE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, NOT ONLY WITH LOCATING THE BUILDING THERE, BUT ALSO PROVIDING ACCESS OFF OF ARAPAHOE. UM, AND IT DOES STILL PROVIDE, UM, CLOSE PARKING AND EASY DROP OFF FOR BOTH BUILDINGS. UM, ONE OF THE CONS IS THAT THIS DOES IMPACT, UM, MORE TREES THAN THE NEXT OPTION WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT. UM, BUT WE FEEL LIKE, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN OVERACHIEVE, OVERCOME, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. SO FOR OPTION B, WHAT REALLY DROVE THIS OPTION WAS, UM, THE, UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OF WANTING TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE AND KEEP THE BUILDING IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT IT IS TODAY. AND SO WE WANTED TO HONOR THAT REQUEST AND STU AND DO A STUDY OF THAT AND SEE, UM, WHAT THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT WOULD BE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS IS, IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR WITH HERE WITH THE BUILDING BEING LOCATED IN THIS LOCATION, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE'VE ENHANCED THE, UM, THE DROP OFF ZONE AND DRIVE HERE TRYING TO CREATE A WELCOMING PLAZA WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE BUILDINGS CONNECT IN SOME WAY WITH SOME SORT OF COVERED CONNECTION BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND CITY HALL AS A POSSIBILITY. UM, AND, AND ALMOST A GATEWAY TO THE GREEN SPACE. AND WE'D LIKE TO ENHANCE THE GREEN SPACE, UM, HERE. AND, UH, AND WHETHER THAT'S, UM, ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES OR, UM, NATIVE LANDSCAPING AND CR UH, MAKING THIS MORE OF AN INVITING EVENT SPACE, UM, WE, UM, ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE MUCH OF THE EXISTING PARKING AROUND THE AREA, AND WE COULD HAVE A FUTURE, UM, CONNECTION HERE FOR ARAPAHOE. THIS WOULD ONLY BE A RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT, ONLY THOUGH YOU COULD NOT TURN LEFT INTO THE CAMPUS FROM THIS DIRECTION DUE TO SAFETY REASONS OF HOW CLOSE IT IS IN PROXIMITY TO THE 75, [01:10:01] UH, STOP AND GO LIGHT. SO AGAIN, IF THE CITY WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE PARCELS HERE IN THE NORTH, UH, SORRY, , THE NORTH, UH, WEST CORNER AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER DOWN HERE. AND THEN, UM, JUST LIKE THE OTHER PLAN, WE STILL WANT TO ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN WALK AROUND THE CAMPUS TO GIVE THAT PARK-LIKE FEELING. SO, OH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS BEFORE WE MOVED ON IS THAT WE WANTED TO ALSO CON CONNECT A VISUAL PRESENCE FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE FOUNTAIN FROM THIS. UM, WE THINK THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL OPPORTUNITY. UM, SO FROM HERE YOU COULD SEE THE FOUNTAIN FROM THIS PARKING LOT. SO IN THIS RENDERING, YOU CAN SEE WE START TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE WHAT THAT COULD BE. AGAIN, THESE DESIGNS ARE JUST TO HELP WITH SCALE AND TO UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE FOOTPRINT. AND THESE ARE THE SAME FOR BOTH CONCEPTS. AND, UM, THIS WILL, UM, BUT I, WE FEEL LIKE THIS COULD BE A REALLY GREAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THIS, UM, SCHEME. AND THEN IN THIS, ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE ENHANCED DROP OFF AND WHAT THAT PEDESTRIAN PATH HERE THROUGH THE BUILDING OUT TO THE FOUNTAIN. SO SOME OF THE PRO, THE, THE BIGGEST PRO WITH THIS DESIGN IS THAT, UM, THERE IS A LOT LESS TREE DISTURBANCE. THERE WILL STILL BE SOME, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE IS LESS. AND, UM, WE ARE ABLE TO CREATE THAT GREAT, UH, VISUAL ACCESS FROM THE SOUTHERN PARKING LOT TO THE FOUNTAIN AND, AND SOMEWHAT CONNECT. UM, THE BIGGEST CON IS THAT IT, THERE'S PROBABLY STILL GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT WAY FINDING. UM, THERE'S NOT A PROMINENT ENTRANCE OFF OF ARAPAHOE. YOU'RE STILL COMING IN OFF OF CIVIC DRIVE, UM, OR BELL GROVE, AND THOSE ARE KIND OF HIDDEN ENTRANCES. SO IT, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND. UM, YOU, THE OTHER THING WITH THAT, UM, WITH OPTION B IS THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE STILL SOMEWHAT PUTTING THEIR BACK TOWARDS THE PLAZA, WHERE, UM, WITH THE FOUNTAIN, WHERE WITH OPTION A, IT'S MORE, IT'S CELEBRATING THE FOUNTAIN IN, IN A NEW PLAZA. SO THOSE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT, AT BOTH OPTIONS. SO WE DID DO A TREE COMPARISON, UM, AND TO DO A STUDY OF LIKE HOW MANY TREES WOULD COME OUT WITH EACH OPTION. THIS IS JUST APPROXIMATE. THIS WOULD BE FURTHER STUDIED AND, UM, DETERMINED AS WE WENT THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RED DOTS ARE THE HARD HARDWOODS THAT WOULD COME OUT. UM, THE ORANGE IS, IS THE HARDWOODS THAT ARE IN DECLINE BECAUSE THERE IS OAK WILT THAT, UM, THE CAMPUS EX EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THEN THE ORNAMENTAL IS IN THE YELLOW, WHICH ARE LIKE CREPE MYRTLES. UM, THE TREES, UM, TOTAL THAT WOULD BE REMOVED FOR OPTION A APPROXIMATE IS ABOUT 102. BUT WE WOULD, UH, PROPOSE ADDING BACK A HUN 188 APPROXIMATELY. AND WITH THAT, WE, UM, PROPOSE DOING, UM, MIXED SPECIES THAT ARE TEXAS NATIVE, UM, THAT ARE DROUGHT RESISTANT. AND THAT WILL HELP, UM, DECREASE THE SPREAD OF THE OAK WILT IF YOU BRING IN DIVERSITY TO THE CAMPUS. SO IN OPTION B, UM, THE, UM, SAME WITH THE, THE, THE RED DOTS WITH THE HARDWOOD AND THE ORANGE. AND SO WE'RE APPROXIMATELY, UM, LOSING, UM, 70 TREES WITH THIS OPTION. AND THEN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TREES WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT BACK IS ABOUT 167. SO, UM, BACK IN JANUARY, THE TEAM PRESENTED, UH, THESE BUDGET NUMBERS, THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THAT PRESENTATION. AND, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO, UM, DESIGN TO THESE NUMBERS. SO NEXT STEPS IS WE WOULD LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK TONIGHT ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TARGET WITH EVERYONE'S GOALS. AND THEN WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF, UM, IF THE, SO IF THERE'S A PREFERRED SELECTION OF THE SITE CONCEPTS, UM, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH STAFF, UM, AGAIN ON REFINING THE PROGRAMMING AND DEPARTMENT ADJACENCIES FOR THE BUILDING. AND WE WANT TO WORK ON THE BUILDING FORM AND MATERIAL SELECTION SO IT'S COHESIVE WITH THE LIBRARY AND BRING THAT TO THE PUBLIC AND, UM, TO YOU, UM, IN OCTOBER. AND THESE ARE THE TENTATIVE DATES THAT WE [01:15:01] WOULD DO ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND WE'D LOVE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTION AND ANSWERS AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT, JIM. THANK YOU, MR. CORCORAN. HEY, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR TEAM. I FIRST, I'LL, I'LL OPEN BY SAYING THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE HARD WORK WITH THE PIVOTING THAT YOU'VE DONE AND THE FLEXIBILITY AND JUGGLING MULTIPLE PROJECTS AT ONCE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT DEFINITELY IS PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU SIGNED ON FOR FIRST , BUT, UH, , BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL STAYING WITH US AND, AND SEEING THAT THROUGH. SO, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST ALSO SAY I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WAY THAT YOU ORGANIZE THE PRESENTATION. UH, IT'S, THE INFORMATION IS SUCCINCT, IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO FOLLOW. AND SO JUST WANT TO, JUST WANNA SAY THOSE TWO POINTS THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN IT, JUST TO, TO THROW US OUT THERE ABOUT DISCUSSION ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, I LIKE ALL OF THEM. UH, IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ACCEPT THE LAST ONE ON THERE ABOUT, UM, REALLY FOCUSING WITH THE, THE CITY HALL FOCUSING ON, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR ARAPAHO. I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE, THE MISSILE CAMPUS SHOULD REALLY BE FOCUSED FOR THE STAFF AND THE RESIDENTS. AND I MEAN, WHO DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO CATALYZE ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT ALONG ARAPAHO, BUT MY, MY BELIEF IS THAT IT REALLY SHOULD. I JUST DON'T WANT THIS POINT TO TAKE AWAY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, AND WHEN I KIND OF, WHEN I SEE SOME OF THE DESIGNS AS WELL, MY, MY ONLY FEAR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, IT IS REALLY KINDA MY PRIMARY CONCERN, HONESTLY, IS THAT THE DESIGNS AND JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE OVERLY DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CAMPUS AND NOT SO MUCH, UH, ADDITIONAL TREES FOR RESIDENTS OR, UM, OR, OR DESIGNS KIND OF LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH OPTION A. UH, THAT'S JUST, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL IMPRESSION. NOT, PROBABLY NOT WORDED IN THE BEST WAY, BUT I KIND OF SEE LIKE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE. I SEE HOW THE PARKING LOTS ARE DESIGNED TO KIND OF WRAP AROUND SOME OF THOSE OPEN SPACES IN CASE OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND I JUST, MY ONLY, MY ONLY REALLY WORRY IS THAT I, I DON'T WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT AND HAVE THAT TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER SPACE THAT FROM, FROM THE INTENTION OF USING THE SPACE FOR, FOR RESIDENTS AND FOR THE STAFF. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR COMMENT OR IF THAT'S ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL SORT OF THOUGHT THAT I'M THROWING OUT THERE. AND I'D LOVE OTHER PEOPLE'S COMMENTS ON THAT, OR REBUTTALS OR WHATEVER. JOE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. REAL QUICK, I, I'LL ASK EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS YOU WERE SPEAKING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, WELL, I WOULD PREFER A OR PER PREFER B, WHICHEVER YOU'RE DOING, HELP HELP THEM GET AN IDEA WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR. YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU GUIDING THE CONVERSATION LIKE THAT. MAYOR DUBBY. I, I'D SAY IF I HAD TO CHOOSE, I'D PREFER B, UM, I LIKE LESS PARKING. I, I DON'T, AND MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER THING Y'ALL COULD HELP ANSWER IS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YEAH. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM OR, SO THE PARKING, THE PARKING IS, UM, ROUGHLY THE SAME COUNT FOR BOTH MM-HMM. OPTIONS. UM, AND IT'S BASED ON THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, UM, ON THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND OCCUPANT TYPE. SO WE WOULD, UM, BECAUSE THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE BUILDINGS REALLY AREN'T CHANGING THAT MUCH MM-HMM. , UM, THEN THE OCCU, THE PARKING COUNT WILL BE THE SAME ROUGHLY FOR BOTH. MM-HMM. , I, UM, I ALSO LIKE WITH THE, THE VIEW STRAIGHT TO THE FOUNTAIN, AND B I THINK THAT'S A COOL DESIGN FEATURE FOR THE BUILDING. UH, AND I, I WILL SAY IT'S, IT'S KIND OF STRANGE TO LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS AND ONE HAS LIKE FOUR PROS AND A HUGE LIST OF CONS. AND ONE HAS A HUGE LIST OF PROS AND JUST A COUPLE CONS. UM, BUT THAT SAID, I MEAN, IF I HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM, B WOULD BE THE ONE I WOULD CHOOSE. THANK YOU, MR. DORIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PRESENTING THIS. I, UH, YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THE AREAS THAT, UM, OF INPUT THAT WAS, UH, TAKEN IN FROM THE RESIDENTS. AND I JUST REMEMBER SOME OF THE COMMENTS I MADE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS. AND WE WERE INTERVIEWED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO RICHARDSON AND IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, AND Y'ALL DID PAY ATTENTION TO A LOT OF THAT. AND I COULD, I COULD SEE THAT THE COMMON SPACE AND A LOT OF THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS FOLIAGE AND NATIVE PLANTS, I THINK THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S SUCH A LARGE CAMPUS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO, UM, CONTINUE TO, TO, TO LOOK INTO. UM, ONE, I LIKE BOTH OPTIONS, AND I LIKE THINGS ON BOTH OPTIONS. AND MY QUESTION IS ON OPTION A, YOU MENTIONED THE, THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING A SECOND AND A THIRD LEVEL. [01:20:01] OH, NO, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. SO THE, ON BOTH OPTIONS, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE THE SAME. BUT AS FAR AS THE COST OF BUILDING A, A FOURTH FLOOR VERSUS A JUST HAVING TWO OR THREE LEVELS RIGHT. IS THERE'S NOT REALLY THAT DIFFERENCE. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. THERE'S MUCH COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO AND THREE MM-HMM. THERE IS, IT JUMPS UP SIGNIFICANTLY WHEN YOU GET TO FOUR. YEAH. AND I THINK THREE LEVELS IS GREAT. I, I SUPPORT A THREE LEVEL, UM, BUILDING. UH, AND I DO LIKE GETTING THE HEIGHT DEPENDING ON MM-HMM. WHAT HEIGHT WE CAN GET TO LOOK OVER THE CAMPUS MM-HMM. AND TO LOOK OUT ONTO, UH, 75. UM, YOU ALSO SAID YOU WERE GONNA KEEP THE EXISTING SLAB, UH, IN OPTION A. NOW, WOULD THAT EXISTING SLAB, UH, THE EXISTING SLAB OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT CITY HALL? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT? I JUST SAW THE NOTE IN, I SAW THE NOTE. IT SAID, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, SOMEWHERE IN HERE IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT KEEPING THE EXISTING, UM, SLAB OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, BUILDING. IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT, UM, A AND, AND THE IN THE IMAGE, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S GREEN. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE USING THAT. NO, UH, NO. UM, THAT'S A GREEN SPACE. MM-HMM. , UM, RIGHT THERE, UM, AT THAT LOCATION. SO IT'S AN OPEN LAWN SPACE. ONE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM, UH, THE PUBLIC IS THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS AN OPEN LAWN SPACE TO HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS. AND SO THAT WE PROVIDED THAT IN OPTION A. YEAH. AND I LIKE, I LIKE THAT ALSO, UH, IT, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. I, I REALLY WAS JUST WONDERING HOW WE WERE GONNA UTILIZE THE, UH, THAT FOOTPRINT AND, AND IF WE'RE GONNA RETAIN THE SLAB TO CREATE SOME KIND OF, UH, INFO OR GREEN SPACE OVER IT. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT PRETTY MUCH. YEAH. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE PROGRAMMING, UM, DURING THE DESIGN PHASE OF WHAT ALL COULD BE HOUSED THERE OR WHAT EVENTS, UM, COULD HAPPEN IN THAT SPACE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, I DO LIKE THAT YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE IN FROM ARAPAHOE DOWN THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, THE CORE MM-HMM. OF THE, OF THE COMPLEX, UM, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DRIVE BY THE WATER FOUNTAIN. I MEAN, I DO LIKE THE STRUCTURE OF HAVING THE LIBRARY AND THE CITY HALL ADJACENT FROM ONE ANOTHER, AND IT DOES ALLOW ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING TO BE PREDOMINANTLY, UM, OR I SHOULD SAY, THE COMMON SPACE TO BE ON ONE SIDE. I DO LIKE THAT PART. AND I'LL MOVE ON TO B 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT. UM, ON B I LIKE THAT OPTION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY LIKE ABOUT OPTION B IS I LIKE THE CORRIDOR DOWN THE CENTER OF THE SPACE. IF WE WERE TO, UH, CONSIDER THAT AS AN OPTION, UM, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A NICE DESIGN DETAIL TO, TO YOUR POINT, TO BE ABLE TO SEE DOWN SORT OF A CORRIDOR MM-HMM. THAT WAS CUT OUT OF A BUILDING, YOU COULD SEE THE FOUNTAIN AND SORT OF THAT EVEN THAT SPACE COULD BE TURNED INTO SOME KIND OF LIGHTING EXHIBIT OR SOME KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL THAT PEOPLE COULD UTILIZE AND BRING, DRAW, DRAW THE PUBLIC IN. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE JUST SOME PRELIMINARY STATE , I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD. UH, BUT I DO LIKE THAT PART. IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE EXISTING, UM, YOU MENTIONED TOO, THERE'S 102 TREES THAT ARE GETTING REMOVED. IF WE, IF WE, UH, WERE TO MOVE TO OPTION A, CORRECT. AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PUT BACK 188 OR 167, THOSE ARE APPROXIMATE NUMBERS. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DETERMINE FINAL NUMBERS UNTIL WE GET FURTHER ALONG THE DESIGN PROCESS. BUT BASED ON WHAT WE DID WITH THE, UM, EXISTING SURVEY AND, UM, THE LAYOUTS THAT WE DID FOR BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS, WE DID A ROUGH COUNT. AND THIS IS THE NUMBERS WE CAME UP WITH. OKAY. I, UH, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN A AND B . UM, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY? THIS IS ONLY A DRAFT, SO I TECHNICALLY YOU DON'T, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD. SO, SO THAT'S A, IT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION IF, WELL, I MEAN, IF WE END TONIGHT AND YOU REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT TO, TO, TO MAKE A DECISION, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. BUT, UH, AT THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE INFORMATION WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE. I MEAN, WE, WE REALLY, THE PIVOT, THE TIP BALL HERE IS DO WE KEEP IT IN THE SAME LOCATION AND WE START BUILDING A MORE AND REFINING A PLAN AROUND THAT? OR DO WE MOVE IT TO THE ARAPAHO, UH, ENGAGED LOCATION AND START BUILDING AROUND THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN GO OFF AND BRING BACK. THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, THAT'S GONNA ADD A LOT OF VALUE. I MEAN, WE, WE AREN'T, AT THIS POINT, WE AREN'T TRYING TO [01:25:01] GET INTO DETAIL. WE HAVE TO CONCEPTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO, THE COUNCIL COLLECTIVELY HAS TO CONCEPTUALLY DECIDE WHERE, UM, WHERE YOU WANT US TO GO FROM HERE. NO, I, AND I, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A HARD CHOICE. I MEAN, I DO LIKE THE COMMON AREA AND I DO LIKE THE, UH, I LIKE OPTION A. IF I HAD TO CHOOSE ONE, EVEN I'M, I AM FOR PRESERVING TREES. I AM, YOU KNOW, UH, PRESERVING THE, UH, EXISTING LANDSCAPE. UM, AND DEFINITELY ADDING BACK ANY TREES THAT WERE CUT DOWN. I WAS HOPING THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE TREES MIGHT BE INTEGRATED INTO, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST A RECTANGULAR SPACE, MAYBE COMING UP WITH SOME WAY THAT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT TREES COULD BE SOMEHOW INCORPORATED, EVEN INTERNAL IN THE INTERNAL SPACE, IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION. AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT DOWN TO THAT DETAIL OF DESIGN AT THE MOMENT, BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN TAKE THAT AND INCORPORATE, UH, SOME OF THAT ENVIRONMENT AND SOME OF THE EXISTING BUILDING TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF OUR DIAGRAM, UM, WHICH I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THE DARKER TREES THAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE THE EXISTING TREES, THE LIGHTER TREES THAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE THE NEW TREES. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, WE'RE TAKING THE DARKER TREES AND INCORPORATING THEM INTO THAT NEW PLAZA. UM, JUST SO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THAT, THOSE LOCATIONS ARE. UM, SO WE DID TRY TO BE AS MINDFUL AS POSSIBLE OF, OF RESPECTING, UM, THE LEADERSHIP GROVE. GOOD. WELL, MY, UH, TAKEAWAY ON THIS IS I WOULD MOST LIKELY CHOOSE, UH, OPTION A, UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, MAYBE IN, UH, INCORPORATING SOME OF THE NATURAL FEATURES, UH, PRESERVING AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, UM, IN CREATING THOSE COMMON SPACES. UM, AND ALSO, UH, AGAIN, I DID LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL IN OPTION B FOR THE CORRIDOR. NOW I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION, UH, IN OPTION A OR NOT, OR IF IT'S EVEN NEEDED DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE MOVING THE ENTIRE BUILDING. BUT, UM, THOSE ARE GONNA BE MY COMMENTS FOR NOW. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. DORRY AND MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND THANK YOU. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY FIRST QUESTION, WAS IT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DARK AND THE WHITE TREES? SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, UM, A COUPLE THINGS. I, I, UH, I THINK LIKE OTHERS WHO MAY BE WATCHING WOULD BE VERY SAD TO LOSE THAT FIELD ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE. I'VE GOT MANY PICTURES OF MY SON SITTING IN A WILDFLOWERS ON THAT FIELD. AND, UH, THAT, THAT HAS MEANT A LOT TO OUR FAMILY, SOME OF THOSE PICTURES. BUT, UM, ONE OF THE, COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS, UM, I LIKE THE LOOK OF A, I AM VERY CONCERNED WITH A ROAD, WELL, BEFORE I SHARE THAT IN A, IS THAT JUST MY EYES? ARE WE MOVING THE FOUNTAIN? IS THE FOUNTAIN ON BOTH STAYING IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION? YES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I AM, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE ROAD CUTTING THROUGH THAT PLAZA BECAUSE I THINK OF PLAZA AND CONNECTIVITY. UM, I THINK FAMILIES, I THINK MOVING BETWEEN THE ART AND LIBRARY AND CITY HALL. AND I'M THINKING PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING WEST ON ARAPAHOE WHO ARE GOING TO BE FACING TRAFFIC HEADING EAST, AND THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF ACCELERATE TO JUMP IN FRONT OF CARS TO GET ONTO OUR CAMPUS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE ACCELERATING INTO AN AREA WHERE WE HOPE TO HAVE FAMILIES WALKING. SO HAVING THAT ROAD GO THROUGH THAT PLAZA AREA IS VERY CONCERNING OF MINE. AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST RED FLAG FOR ME PERSONALLY IN ANYTHING I SEE HERE BETWEEN A AND B. YEAH. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT DOING WHAT'S CALLED LIKE A PILLOW TOP AND THAT KIND OF SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN AND WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE MAIN DRIVE. SO TO REDUCE THAT SPEED COMING THROUGH THE MAIN CAMPUS, THAT ALSO HELPS KEEP THE, UM, THE CAMPUS A LITTLE MORE LEVEL FOR WHEN YOU DO HAVE EVENTS AND YOU HAVE THAT PILLOW TOP. UM, WE CAN ALSO WORK MORE WITH TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS ON THAT LEFT TURN. AND IF THAT'S THE BEST, UH, USE OF THAT. OKAY. CLARIFICATION. WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN WHO ASKED ABOUT PARKING. UM, YOU SAID THEY WERE BASICALLY STAYING THE SAME. DO WE HAVE NUMBERS TO HOW THAT'S GONNA IMPACT? WHERE DID I MISS THAT? HELP ME OUT. YEAH, I CAN, I HAVE THOSE HERE IF YOU GIMME JUST A MOMENT. SO, UM, WE CURRENT, CURRENTLY THE CAMPUS HAS 594 PARKING SPACES AND 14 OF THOSE ARE HANDICAPPED. AND, UH, WITH THIS SIZE BUILDING, UM, WE'LL HAVE AROUND, UM, 660 PARKING SPACES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW I APPRECIATE THAT. SOMEHOW I MISSED THAT ONE ON OPTION B. UM, I LIKE IT. I'M, [01:30:01] I AM, YOU KNOW, MY HESITATION THERE IS SO MANY PEOPLE, WELL, KNOWNLY SPOKE ABOUT HAVING IT CLOSER TO ARAPAHO. UM, DO WE KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS, BUT OBVIOUSLY MONEY'S ALWAYS ATTACHED TO EVERYTHING WE DO. MM-HMM. , UM, ESPECIALLY KNOWING WHAT OUR BUDGET IS AND INCREASING COSTS, WOULD WE SAVE ANY MONEY, PUT IT IN THE SAME SPOT? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY MONEY TIED TO, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYTHING, I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO ANY NUMBERS. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ROUND. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF THAT? JUST ROUNDABOUT, YES, IT MIGHT SAVE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S SUCH, SO SIGNIFICANT INSIGNIFICANT, OR IS IT, IS IT GONNA IMPACT WHETHER WE PUT IT IN A OR B BY ANY GREAT DEAL? SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO, TO FLESH OUT A LITTLE BIT ONCE WE GET INTO THE DESIGN FURTHER. I THINK LOGICALLY IF WE PUT IT, UH, BACK IN THE SAME POSITION AND WE CAN REUSE, UH, MORE OF, UH, THE EXISTING PARKING THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME SAVINGS, UH, IN, IN OPTION B, BUT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REUSE AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING PARKING IN OPTION A AS WELL. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIRLY IN INSIGNIFICANT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO INSIGNIFICANT OR LEVEL OUT THERE. UM, AND I KNOW MY FELLOW COUNCILMAN REALLY LIKED THAT, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL ON B, WHILE I LOVE THE CONCEPT, AGAIN, MY, MY MIND'S GOING TO DOLLARS AND OKAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S INVOLVES CUTOUT, WHICH INVOLVES MORE, UH, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTS INSIDE WHICH INCREASE COSTS. AND, UM, UM, I GO STRAIGHT TO THE MONEY AND WHAT THE SAVINGS THERE IS AND WHAT THE EXTRA ADDITIONAL COST OF HAVING A FEATURE SUCH LIKE, LIKE THAT IS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN. UM, I THINK, UM, AS FAR AS PICKING BETWEEN A AND B, I WANT TO HEAR SOME OF THE, I KNOW SOME OF MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GONNA HAVE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS THAT MAY BRING SOME LIGHT. AND I'M GONNA WITHHOLD PICKING BETWEEN A AND B UNTIL I HEAR I WILL MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, JUST NOT THIS VERY SECOND. BETWEEN THOSE TWO. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHAT MY BIGGER RED FLAGS ARE. I THINK THEY'RE BOTH GREAT. I THINK, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE WALKING AROUND. OH, I DID. AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING I DIDN'T CATCH, UM, BUT THERE WAS TALKS ABOUT NATIVE, UM, GARDENS. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, SOMEBODY SENT ME AN EMAIL A FEW WEEKS BACK THAT, UH, REMINDED ME OF THE WONDERFUL NATIVE GARDENS THAT THE GEORGE BUSH PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY HAS JUST DOWN THE ROAD. UM, ARE, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO MAYBE SOME NATIVES GARDENS? IF SO, IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED ANYWHERE? UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TREES MM-HMM. , YOU MENTIONED NATIVE VERSUS THE TERM WE HEAR A LOT IS DROUGHT RESISTANT. RIGHT. WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE THERE? NATIVE OR GENERALLY DROUGHT RESISTANT. OH, I'M NATIVE DROUGHT RESISTANT TREES. NATIVE DROUGHT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, ADDING BACK. OKAY. SO NOT JUST DROUGHT RESISTANT, BUT NATIVE DROUGHT RESISTANT. MM-HMM. . 'CAUSE YOU COULD BE DROUGHT RESISTANT, NOT BE NATIVE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, UM, FOR THE NATIVE GARDENS, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT REFINEMENT YET ON, ON THE DESIGN, BUT THAT IS, UM, A GOAL THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO, UM, THE OVERALL CAMPUS. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE NEXT STEP OR ONE OF THE LATER STEPS THAT'S DETAILED. OKAY. YES. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LEAVING THAT OFF. AND NOW'S NOT THE TIME. I WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE ASK, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK ABOUT NATIVE GARDENS WHEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NO, IT'S DEFINITELY A CONCEPT THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS INCLUDED. OKAY. SO, SO TO RECAP REAL QUICK, WHAT MY TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS WAS THE ROAD COMING IN FROM ARAPAHO. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT GOING THROUGH THE PLAZA JUST 'CAUSE OF KIDS AND FAMILIES. AND THEN, UH, BEFORE I, THE BIG THING THAT'S HOLDING ME BACK IS THIS, THIS DESIGN CONCEPT IN THIS B SECTION OF CITY HALL MAKES ME WONDER WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COST OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS. YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, JUST, UH, MAYBE A SUGGESTION, UM, I WOULDN'T MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING GUARANTEED ABOUT ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS. I MEAN, THAT, THAT DESIGN IS AN IDEA ON A PIECE OF PAPER. AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING WITH B BECAUSE YOU LIKE THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO GUARANTEE THAT THAT IS GONNA BE THE FINAL BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S GOT, THERE'S A THOUSAND DIFFERENT FACTORS. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOU THE SEVEN OF, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK THINGS OVER OTHER THINGS. AND SO IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE CON THE CONCEPT OF THE CAMPUS THAT, THAT WE'RE REALLY, I THINK THAT'S, IF YOU FOCUS ON THAT AT THIS STAGE, YOU'LL BE, YOU'LL BE PROVIDING THE RIGHT FEEDBACK. BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING THAT A BUILDING ELEMENT WOULD SWAY YOU ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I'M JUST GONNA ADVISE YOU THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE WRONG CRITERIA BECAUSE WE CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THIS BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT. WE CAN ON THE CAMPUS. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE, [01:35:01] THAT'S THE STAGE WE'RE AT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DON. UH, SORRY. WHEN JIM, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PARKING AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE BUILDINGS AND TUNNELS AND STUFF. I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD, SO I CONCUR WITH YOU. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF ASKED ME, HEY, WHAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE TIE IN THAT NORTHERN STRIP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ARAPAHOE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BUT TO BE, TO BE DETERMINED. RIGHT. THANK YOU DON. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR TIM . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, AND LOTS OF DETAIL THERE. I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, THEN I HAVE FEW COMMENTS. OKAY. UH, THAT THREE, THAT 102 TREES, THAT'S AND VERSUS, UH, 73. ARE THOSE ACTUALLY TREE OR THOSE ARE ALSO PART, YOU KNOW, CREPE MART TILE, THOSE ALSO PART OF IT? IT'S A COMBINATION. IT'S A MIX OF ORNAMENTALS, LIKE CREPE MYRTLES AND TREES. OKAY. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, 102 TREES ARE NOT NECESSARILY ACTUALLY TREES. CORRECT. TREES. THOSE COULD BE LIKE GRAPE T TILE AND OTHER ORNAMENTALS. YES. SO MM-HMM. , I THINK THAT'S, IF YOU CAN HAVE LITTLE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THAT ONE. YEAH. NOT TODAY, UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE IT, HAVE IT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, WE CAN GET IT LATER ON. THAT'S RIGHT THERE. YEAH. 27 ORNAMENTAL AND THEN UM, 75 HARDWOOD. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT EIGHT OF THOSE 75 ARE ALREADY IN DECLINE AND WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED ANYWAYS. SO HOW DOES THIS COMPARE BETWEEN OPTION A AND OPTION B? HOW MANY ACTUAL THREE WOULD BE DIFFERENCE? UH, THERE'S ABOUT A 25, A 25 TREE DIFFERENCE. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 25 TO 33 BECAUSE WE DON'T EXACTLY. SO IT COULD CHANGE. SO, OKAY. SO THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OUR BOTTOM LINE. UH, NOW IF YOU GO BACK TO OPTION A, THE MORE LIKE A SITE PLAN, QUITE A BIT NOT, BUT IT IS CONCEPT SITE PLAN. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUILDING SHAPE. THIS COULD BE DEVELOPED EVENTUALLY SLOWLY. MM-HMM. . UH, BUT IT JUST TO SHOW THAT HOW THERE'S GONNA BE WITH OPTION A, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT AND ONCE WE BUILD THIS BUILDING, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MUCH ROOM IN THE FUTURE TO BUILD ANYTHING, ANY OTHER PLACES. SO IF I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS CONCEPT PLAN AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THAT I SAY ANYTHING, THERE ARE SOME OTHER LIMITATION ON THAT. ONE IS THE BUDGET. WE ARE LIMITED TO THE FUND. UH, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE, IF WE HAD MORE FUND, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD REQUEST STRUCTURE, GARAGE, UNDERGROUND GARAGE. MM-HMM. AND UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT IF, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT THING NOW, BUT I WOULD LEAVE SOME ROOM OPEN FOR THE FUTURE, SO MAYBE 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS FROM NOW, WE CAN HAVE THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PLAN IT, BUT IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE SOME ROOM TO DO SOMETHING. SO WITH THAT CONSIDERATION, OPTION A IS BETTER IN A SENSE THAT EVEN THOUGH PARKING IS A LITTLE FAR, THAT COULD BE SOME SOMETHING ELSE. AND WE COULD HAVE UNDERGROUND PARKING, NOT NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE. CORRECT. SO THERE IS MORE FLEXIBILITY ON OPTION A THAN OPTION B, UH, FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND, AND WE LIKE TO HAVE GREEN SPACE, BUT SAME TIMES WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME REVENUE SOURCE, SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND WHEN THERE IS A PRESSURE FOR DEVELOPMENT GREEN SPACE GO AWAY EVENTUALLY. BUT IF WE CAN CONTROL THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT OKAY, WHATEVER WE DO TODAY, UH, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE. SO IF WE CAN CREATE SOME OF THE ELEMENT NOW, THAT WOULD HELP. RIGHT. SO WE, CONSIDERING THAT OPTION A IS BETTER IN THAT SENSE, UH, AND ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT YOU HAD, THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE THE SHED. SO YOU NEED TO HAVE A TREE ON BOTH SIDE. SO THERE WILL BE A WALKAWAY. SO WITH THIS, I KNOW THAT LANDSCAPE HAS NOT BEEN DONE DETAIL, BUT IF YOU CAN CREATE SOME WALKAWAY AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, CAMPUS UHHUH, THAT WOULD GIVE TREES ON BOTH SIDE AND UH, THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPEN, IF THERE IS ANOTHER BUILDING, ANOTHER CORNER, THAT WALKWAY WILL BE THERE LONG, YOU KNOW, FOREVER. RIGHT. AS LONG AS WE LIVE THAT WAY, THOSE TREE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MATURED 40 YEARS, 30 YEARS, AND IT'LL CREATE WONDERFUL ELEMENT. AND WITH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH OPTION A, IT CAN CREATE SOME MORE LITTLE MORE AREA THAT, THAT HAS LIKE FOREST AREA, MAYBE CLUSTERED TREES, UH, BECAUSE [01:40:01] YOU'RE PLANTING NEW TREE IN A NEW PLACE, SO YOU CAN GROW LIKE 30 TREES CLOSE BY, CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. SO, AND THEN YOU CAN CREATE SOME OF THE, UH, WALKAWAY INSIDE. SO THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK EVENTUALLY CAN BE DEVELOPED ON OPTION A. UH, AND IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE TO WRAP HALL. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING FROM SERVICE ROAD FROM THE HIGHWAY AND UH, FROM, UH, ALSO FROM . THAT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO SEE. UH, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS INTERESTING, INTERESTING RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT CAN REALLY HAVE, IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE SERVICE ROAD OR HIGHWAY, UH, IT'S DIFFICULT TO, UH, CROSS, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE FROM BY WALKING FROM OTHER SIDE RAPPA HALL TO THIS SIDE OF RAPPA HALL BECAUSE UH, THERE IS NO SIGNAL THERE. SO, AND THE SIGNAL IS ON NEXT ROAD. WHICH ONE IS THAT? CUSTER? NO, CUSTER. FLOYD. YEAH. CUSTER. SO, YOU KNOW, CREATING, WELL, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER LIGHT JUST FOR THE WALKING. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE LIKE BY THE ENGINEER STUDY. YEAH. AND, AND LET ME, LET ME JUST REMIND YOU, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY FUNDED. UM, ONE WILL, ONE WILL BE, UM, IMPROVING THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING UNDER US 75. AND THEN THE OTHER TAKES IT ESSENTIALLY FROM, UH, LORI ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH I THINK, UH, UH, CHARLES ALL THE WAY THROUGH CUSTER, RIGHT? WITH, AND SO, SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE CROSSING, UM, AT US 75 NORTH SOUTH ON THE WEST SIDE OF, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE US 75 NORTH SOUTH TO CR CREATE THAT CONNECTIVITY. UM, OR, OR POTENTIALLY AT CUSTER. BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AT BELTLINE AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE PEOPLE FROM THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT TO THE LOCKWOOD DISTRICT, I SEE THAT AS A MUCH BIGGER OBSTACLE THAN MOVING PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, NORTH TO SOUTH ON ARAPAHOE MM-HMM. , UM, TO GET THEM FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE CIVIC CAMPUS. BUT, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE HAVE FUNDING TO THIS, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DECIDE HERE, UM, THAT'LL HELP INFORM WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON THE, UH, THE ARAPAHOE UNDERPASS AND THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'LL DO THERE. NO, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN SLOW DOWN SOME TRAFFIC, BECAUSE YOU SEE, IF PEOPLE DRIVE FORWARD AND THEN THE TURN AND ALL THIS, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THERE'S A CAR AND PEOPLE DRIVE A LITTLE FASTER AND THEY JUMP. SO IF WE CAN SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC BEFORE EVEN THEY GO TO THE CAR, THAT WOULD HELP. LIKE EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S ANOTHER DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THE REASON I'M SAYING ALL THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE I'M HEADING TOWARDS AN OPTION, VERY AND, UH, AND I THINK OPTION A HAS A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND YOU CAN PLAN MORE TREE, I MEAN PLENTY OF TREE. I MEAN THERE'S 25 TREE IF WE, I LOVE TREE BY THE WAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M GOING TO SACRIFICE, UH, YOU KNOW, MY, YOU KNOW, A PLAN THAT COULD GIVE US MORE OPTION DOWN THE ROAD AND LOOKS BEAUTIFUL TODAY AND, UH, IN SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY. SO I WOULD NOT, MY PERSONALITY, I WOULD NOT HOLD DOWN TWO OPTION B BECAUSE SAVING THAT 20, 25 TREES MAYBE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A MORE OPPORTUNITY ON OPTION A. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. HUDSON, WRITER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, FIRST OFF, CHARLES, JIM, THE ENTIRE TEAM, GREAT JOB PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER. GREAT WORK. UM, I, I WILL SAY IN A, AND I, PLEASE DON'T ANYBODY TAKE THIS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM AS ANY KIND OF DISRESPECT, BUT PART OF MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER IS I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, ALL PLANNING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION FOR, FROM, FOR MY SYSTEM THAT I CURRENTLY WORK FOR FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH EVERY DAY IS LOOKING AT SITE PLANS AND COMING UP WITH OVERALL CONCEPTS. UM, I WILL VERY MUCH SAY OPTION A IS BY FAR THE MINUTE I SAW IT, I SAID THIS TRULY, AND I'M GONNA USE ONE WORD, IT ACTIVATES THIS ENTIRE CAMPUS. 100%. UM, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU. I ACTUALLY SEE THAT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY IF WE NEEDED TO EXPAND OUT CITY HALL, WE COULD EASILY EXPAND PLAN EAST INTO THOSE, I THINK, IS THAT 48 SPACES? IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT I'M SEEING THERE? YES, WE COULD EASILY EXPAND THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE YOU CAN COME PLAN SOUTH AND PICK UP THOSE 48 SPACES FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND REWORK THAT IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE NEED IT TO EXPAND CITY HALL. SO I, I WOULD PROFESSIONALLY, I GUESS I WOULD SAY DISAGREE WITH YOU IS THAT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND CITY HALL IF WE NEEDED TO IN THE FUTURE. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG QUESTION MARK AND FOR, FOR A DISCUSSION PROBABLY MANY, MANY YEARS FROM NOW FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. SECOND THING I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT AS YOU, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, [01:45:01] IF YOU DRIVE TO OTHER CITIES, AND I'VE UNFORTUNATELY, I GUESS BECAUSE OF SO MANY PLACES I'VE HAD TO GO HERE RECENTLY, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CITY HALLS AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PLACES, IT EXCITES ME TO THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE A THREE STORY BUILDING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE OFF OF CITY HALL. I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. IF YOU GO OUT TO GRAND PRAIRIE, AS YOU'RE PULLING INTO GRAND PRAIRIE RIGHT OFF OF THE FREEWAY, YOU SEE THEIR CITY HALL. IT'S A BIG, BIG, BRIGHT, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, HAS RIGHT ACROSS THE FRONT OF IT SAYS GRAND PRAIRIE CITY HALL. IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A FEATURE ON HERE. UM, COUNCILMAN RIOS, I, I'M GONNA SLIGHTLY DISAGREE WITH YOU AS FAR AS THE ROAD COMING THROUGH, BECAUSE IN MY MIND, AGAIN, I THINK THAT ROAD ACTUALLY ACTIVATES AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND SEE THE FOUNTAIN. IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS THEM TO SEE PART OF THE AREA THAT IN SOME SPACES I'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE SAY TO ME, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS FOUNTAIN, WHERE'S IT AT? AND YOU ACTUALLY CAN'T SEE IT. SO I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT WE COULD COME BACK AND, OR NOT COME BACK AND DO, BUT THAT WE COULD DO AS A PART OF THE PROJECT THAT WOULD BUFFER THE CONCERN. I, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR CONCERN. I JUST THINK THAT HAVING THAT ROAD IN THERE REALLY ACTIVATES THAT WHOLE FOUNTAIN PLAZA AND REALLY GIVES PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTIVATE AND SEE THAT THIS ENTIRE CAMPUS IN A WAY THAT'S, THAT THAT WILL BE VERY, VERY SPECIAL AND VERY, VERY POSITIVE. UM, I'M JUST SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT COULD EASILY HAPPEN HERE, UM, WITH THE, I GUESS YOU'RE CALLING IT THE GREEN AREA. WE'RE CALLING IT THE GREEN. YEAH. I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN. CURRENTLY WE'RE CALLING IT THE GREEN. THE GREEN. UM, SORRY, I'M A GOLFING FANATIC, SO I'M JUST THINKING TO MYSELF, GREAT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PUTTING OUT HERE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME CHIPPING. I PROBABLY NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR, BUT OKAY. WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK THERE'S TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY THAT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT, THEN WE'VE GOT LIBRARY CITY HALL, YOU'VE GOT THE FOUNTAIN PLAZA IN BETWEEN AND YOU'VE GOT THIS ENTIRE AREA DOWN HERE THAT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT WHEN WE GO TO CHINESE NEW YEAR'S, HOW THEY, THEY UTILIZE THEIR PARKING LOTS TO, AS A PART OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR ACTIVATION OF THEIR SPACE. AND I THINK WE COULD DO EXACTLY THE SAME EXACT THING AND IT, IT REALLY EXCITES ME. SO I PERSONALLY, I DON'T EVEN SEE OPTION B AS AN OPTION. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY VIEWPOINT. I THINK OPTION A IS THE WAY TO GO. I THINK IT ACTIVATES THE ENTIRE SPOT. I THINK YOU, IT, IT REALLY FOR ONCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIBRARY AND CITY HALL HAVE KIND OF BEEN THIS LITTLE LIKE, BEHIND EVERYTHING. NOBODY EVER REALLY KNEW WHERE IT WAS AT, COULDN'T FIND IT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I THINK THIS JUST ACTIVATES THIS ENTIRE AREA, THIS ENTIRE CAMPUS. UM, I, I, I GUESS I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING JOE. AS FAR AS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THERE. I DON'T, WHATEVER HAPPENS IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING DESIGNED. I THINK IT'S REALLY TRYING, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT. MM-HMM. , I ALMOST LOOK AT IT FROM, FROM IF I, IF YOU WILL PLAN SOUTH, GOING PLAN NORTH AND, AND THINKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT ABOVE ARAPAHOE BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO ME IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY, AND I DON'T MEAN THIS IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE ITS LIFE, ITS OWN AS TO WHATEVER'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THAT FUTURE. SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM, IF YOU KIND OF TAKE THE VIEWPOINT OF FROM PLAN SOUTH GOING PLAN NORTH, THAT WHOLE ACTIVA ACTIVATION, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A WORD, BUT I JUST MADE IT, UM, ANYWAY, UM, JUST ACTIVATING THIS ENTIRE SPACE. THIS REALLY EXCITES ME. I LOVE IT. I LOVE THE IDEA OF A THREE STORY BUILDING BECAUSE I THINK IT RISES UP AND IT, AND IT REALLY MAKES OUR CITY STAND STAND OUT OFF OF, OFF OF 75. AND, UM, LEMME SEE IF I HAD ANY OTHER, UM, AND YOU ALREADY PICKED UP, 'CAUSE I, UM, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT THREE VERSUS FOUR 'CAUSE I KNEW FOUR WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE, SO YOU ALREADY PICKED UP ON THAT. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, THAT THE, THE, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME NEAT FEATURES THAT COULD HAPPEN. AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT LOOKING TONIGHT AT, AT, AT BUILDING DESIGN, BUT WITH LOCATING IT IN THE, IN, IN WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE ON A, I THINK THERE'S SOME NEAT WAYS THAT YOU REALLY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO, YOU, YOU KIND OF WANNA ACTIVATE IN FOUR DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF WANT TO HAVE A, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A MAIN FRONT, YOU'RE STILL GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE THE, THE APPEAL TO 75. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE THE APPEAL TO ARAPAHOE. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE THE APPEAL TO WHAT I'M CALLING PLAN SOUTH. AND THEN YOU WANNA HAVE THE APPEAL TO THE FOUNTAIN. AND EACH OF THOSE HAVE TO HAVE, OR SHOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT FEEL TO THEM TO PICK UP EACH OF THE UNIQUENESSES OF THOSE FOUR DIFFERENT FACES. UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY, REALLY COOL THINGS THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET OFF INTO THE DESIGN TONIGHT BY ANY STRETCH, BUT I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY COOL THINGS THAT, THAT AN ARCHITECT WILL BE ABLE TO, TO TAKE OFF WITH AND, AND REALLY PRESENT US SOME, SOME REALLY, REALLY POSITIVE [01:50:01] IDEAS. SO, UM, MY VOTE 100%, NOT EVEN A SECOND CONSIDERATION. PLAN A. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, KIM. ALRIGHT. I THINK, JOE, YOU HIT YOUR BUTTON FIRST. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? THANK YOU. YEAH, MAYOR, I DO, I JUST, A COUPLE RESPONSES. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK COUNCILMAN HUT SCHRINER KIND OF TO YOUR, YOUR POINT ABOUT MY COMMENT TOO, AND I CAN SEE HOW IN A WAY THAT OPTION A HAS NOT ALWAYS HAVE A LOT TO COME IN ITSELF TO, BUT, UM, BUT ALSO, I MEAN, IT, THINKING ABOUT THE WAY THE LAYOUT IS, MAYBE THIS ONE ACTUALLY DOES FOCUS LESS ON POTENTIAL FUTURE, SORT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND FOCUSES ON CITY HALL BY REMOVING THAT OPTION WITH THE CONFIGURATION, RIGHT? SO I, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A, BUT I'M JUST, I'M ALSO, I'M NOT THRILLED ABOUT THAT DRIVEWAY TO COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, UH, POINT, UM, THROUGH THE PLAZA. BUT I UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S DISABLED WHO REALLY WANTS TO LOOK AT THE FOUNTAIN AND DRIVING IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THERE'S MAYBE SOME BIG, BIG SPEED BUMPS THERE OR SOMETHING TO REALLY MAKE IT, IF THE INTENTION IS TO SEE THE FOUNTAIN, THEN MAKE IT SO THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE THROUGH THERE, THE ONLY THING YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING IS SEEING THAT FOUNTAIN, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT SPEEDING THROUGH TO GET TO ANY OF THE OTHER PLACES. IT'S NOT A SHORTCUT FROM BELL GROVE, IT'S TO SEE THE FOUNTAIN. UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM. . OKAY. BUT, UM, SORRY. YEAH. UH, DAWN, DID YOU HAVE A NO, I, I JUST, UM, I I I, I WOULD JUST, JUST KIND OF TRY TO, WHERE IS THAT? CONFIRM FOR THE COUNCIL. I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES THAT WE CAN EMPLOY. UM, AND I ALSO TO, TO TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SECURITY SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS. THE OTHER THING I THINK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MAY JUST HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH BEING URBAN IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, THIS IS, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY OF FRISCO, YOU GO TO THE ADDISON CIRCLE. I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE HEAR. YOU CAN'T BE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AND NOT BRING ROADS AND PEOPLE TOGETHER. IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. AND SO I THINK IT'S NEW, IT'S KIND OF NEW FOR US, BUT, UM, CITY OF GARLAND, I MEAN, I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL AFTER CITY HALL WHERE THE CITY HALL IS NOW TRYING TO BE, UH, CREATE A URBAN SETTING AND BE REALLY THE CATALYST FOR A LARGER URBAN SETTING. AND SO I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET, UM, AND THAT THERE WILL BE KIDS CROSSING THE STREET. UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT YOU COULD SAY THAT BY EVERY SCHOOL, I THINK AT UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, ED DALLAS, AND I THINK OF THE, THE, THE ROADS THAT, YOU KNOW, GO BOTH OUR ROADS AND PRIVATE STREETS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO BUILDINGS JUST LIKE THIS. AND I, I THINK THERE ARE TECHNIQUES THAT WE CAN EMPLOY, UM, THAT WILL ENSURE THE HIGHEST, YOU KNOW, UH, CREATE, CREATE THE SAFEST ENVIRONMENT THAT WE, THAT WE CAN. I JUST, UH, THE, THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS THAT AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT'S A TIP BALL, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE THIS DESIGN WITHOUT THE STREET. I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE AS, IT WOULDN'T BE AS FUNCTIONAL BECAUSE YOU LOSE THE ENGAGEMENT WITH ARAPAHO. YOU COULD ALSO HAVE THIS DESIGN WITH ONLY A RIGHT IN, RIGHT, ONLY RIGHT. A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO START WITH THE HOODED TURN ON, ON ARAPAHO. AND SO THERE, THERE'S A LOT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT. UH, WE CAN HAVE A WHOLE NIGHT JUST ON THIS ONE TOPIC FROM A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT. I MEAN, WE COULD YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. AND, UH, SO, SO AGAIN, NOT, NOT JUST, JUST JUST TRYING TO REASSURE YOU THAT WE WILL TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUS. YEAH. AND WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. IT'S MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD ANOTHER VERSION OF THIS WITHOUT THE ROAD, WOULD THIS BE KIND OF WHERE WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WOULD THIS BE WHERE WE WANTED TO HEAD? UM, I THINK THAT'S A TIP BALL. IF YOU DISAGREE, PLEASE SAY IT NOW. NO, I THINK THAT'S, UM, GREAT POINTS. AND WE'RE WANTING TO DESIGN THIS TO BE AN EVENT IN THE HEART OF THE CAMPUS. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF WHAT THIS ROAD, WELL, I WANNA CALL IT A DRIVE. IT'S NOT A ROAD. NO, LET'S CALL. IT'S A DRIVE. AND SO WE WANNA BE VERY MINDFUL OF THE WIDTH AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, IN CREATING THESE, UM, PILLOW TOPS TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN MM-HMM. , HOW DO WE ENGAGE SAFETY DEVICES LIKE BALLARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALONG THAT, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE ELEMENTS AND, AND CREATE THIS PLAZA THAT CAN BE ENGAGED AND INVITING MM-HMM. AND HAVE ALL THESE AWESOME EVENTS AND STILL LOOK TO SAFETY. I CAN, I CAN TOTALLY SEE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING THERE AND AND APPRECIATE THAT IT'S MORE OF A DRIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UH, I GUESS MY ONLY FEAR IS THAT PEOPLE USE IT AS, UH, AS A FAST SHORTCUT INSTEAD OF SORT OF MEANDERING. IF YOU WERE COMING TO THE, LIKE, IF, IF I WERE COMING TO THE CAMPUS DAY IN, DAY OUT, I WOULDN'T TAKE IT. IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY LESS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS CONVENIENT IF YOU'RE COMING TO GET IN QUICK AND GET OUT. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE ALSO HAVING THE, THE GREEN BE A BUFFER, IT SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN. MM-HMM. , THEY HAVE TO PAUSE. THEY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DIRECTION THEY'RE GOING IN TO BE ABLE TO CIRCULATE OUT, OH, I'M, AM I GOING TO BELL GROVE? AM I GOING TO CIVIC DRIVE? [01:55:01] SO YOU'RE FORCED TO SLOW DOWN AT THAT POINT AND YEAH. AND MAKE A DECISION. SO IT'S NOT A QUICK FAST CUT THROUGH THROUGH THE CAMPUS. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, REGARDING JUST THE PARKING. I MEAN, IF THE ONLY REASON THAT WE'RE INCREASING A HUNDRED SPACES ON THE PARKING IS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED SIZE OF CITY HALL, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHY CAN'T WE GRANT OURSELVES A VARIANCE TO NOT HAVE IT ? I MEAN, SO WE ACTUALLY AND PRESERVE SOME GREEN SPACE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE HOLD UP OR WHAT'S, SO YEAH, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAYBE WORK FURTHER WITH THE CITY AND, AND TALK ABOUT, I THINK THAT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, I THINK, THINK KIND OF TO COUNCILMAN BARRIOS POINT, RIGHT? I MEAN THE, THOSE PARKING SPOTS KIND OF ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE, RIGHT? BY 75 AND ARAPAHO. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE DON'T NEED THE PARKING THEN, AND IT'S ONLY, WE'RE ONLY DOING IT 'CAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY, BY OUR OWN LAWS, I MEAN, WE COULD PRESERVE SOME OF THAT, THAT LITTLE PARK THERE AND JUST REMOVE THOSE SPOTS. I DON'T THINK IT DIMINISHES ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CAMPUS. BUT IF, IF SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH ME, OF COURSE I'M ALL EARS. BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHT AS WELL. TALK, TALK SOMEONE, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WAS ENVISIONED. I MEAN, THE, THE, I THINK JOE, THOSE WERE INTENDED PREDOMINANTLY MAYBE TO BE EMPLOYEE PARKING, RIGHT? AND YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? SO THE IDEA IS TO HAVE EMPLOYEE PARKING ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF BOTH OF THE STRUCTURES. AND THEN THE, UM, STAFF ENTRANCES WOULD BE HERE, AND THEN THE, THE STAFF ENTRANCE FOR THE LIBRARY IS PLANNED TO BE HERE. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF ANCHORING TO CREATE SAFE, UM, IN AND OUTS FOR THE STAFF. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE YOUR POINT'S VERY WELL TAKEN? WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO TO THINK THROUGH THAT SOME MORE WITH THE TEAM AND, AND COME BACK WITH, WITH IDEAS ON IF THOSE 48 SPACES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL. IT'S, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YEAH, IT'S NOT A SOLUTION. IT'S NOT AN ENTIRE SOLUTION. SO IF IT'S NOT AN ENTIRE SOLUTION, IT'S NOT A SOLUTION. I MEAN, AT THE OLD CITY HALL, DID EMPLOYEES HAVE A PROBLEM FINDING PARKING SPOTS TO GET IN? NO, IT'S MORE OF A SECURITY ISSUE. I MEAN, WE HAD, WE, WE, WE, I MEAN, AND THE OTHER THING I THINK IT, IT'S WORTH NOTING ON HERE IS THE, I MEAN, I I, I'D WAGER 70% OF THIS CONCRETE YOU SEE HERE IS EXISTING. YEAH. RIGHT. I, SO WE'RE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF PARKING. I MEAN, AS A MATTER OF FACT, PURPOSELY WITHIN THAT LITTLE BLACK, UH, YOU KNOW, SQUARE AREA THAT'S COULD BE REDEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE ANY INVESTMENT. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS PREDOMINANTLY, OH, EXISTING PARKING. BUT, UH, THERE'S AMPLE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, WITHOUT THE 48 SPACES, THERE'D BE AMPLE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES. I JUST, AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ABOUT OVER PARKING THIS YEAR, BUT'S JUST, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT BY LAW AND NOT 'CAUSE IT'S NECESSARY AND MOST PEOPLE WANT GREEN SPACE, WHY ADD THE EXTRA PARKING? THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. THANK YOU, SIR. OUR POTENTIAL, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES THAT THREE STORY VERSUS FORESTRY IS MORE EXPENSIVE. FORESTRY. COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THREE STORY AND THE VERSUS FOREST STORY? UM, SO HOW WE DETERMINED THE HEIGHT, UM, WAS A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT FUNCTIONS WE WOULD LOOK AT DOING. SO, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE MEETING SPACES IN YOUR COUNCIL CHAMBER AND, UM, A MORE, UM, GRAND LOBBY, YOU WANT THAT TO BE A HIGHER FLOOR. SO WE LOOK AT LEVEL ONE BEING ABOUT 20 FEET TALL, AND THEN THE OFFICE LEVELS ON THE UPPER STORIES CAN BE SHORTER FLOORS. SO WE ESTIMATE THAT TO BE ABOUT 15 FEET. AND THEN WE WANNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION A PARAPET ON THE ROOF TO CONCEAL ANY, UM, H V A C EQUIPMENT AND WHATNOT. SO THAT'S NOT SEEN. UM, SO WE, DEPENDING ON THAT, THAT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO 10. SO A THREE STORY WOULD BE ABOUT 60. UM, AND THEN WITH THE FOUR STORY, UM, DUE TO A COMPRESSED, UM, FOOTPRINT, WHEN YOU DO THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY HAVE ALL OF YOUR FUNCTIONS, UM, THAT WE SHOWED THAT, UH, WE IDENTIFIED ON LEVEL ONE, YOU MAY START STACKING THOSE TO EXPAND YOUR BUILDING UP TALLER, BUT THEN MAINTAIN THE SAME AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO YOU MAY HAVE, UM, MEET, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBER, UM, ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR YOU'D HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETING ROOMS. WELL, YOU WANT THAT HEIGHT. SO YOU WOULD START DOING 20, 20, 15, 15, AND THEN ADDING YOUR PARAPET. SO THAT GROWS YOUR BUILDING TALLER. BUT THEN THAT ALSO INCREASES YOUR COST, NOT ONLY FOR THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO EXPAND UPON, BUT THEN ALSO FOR VERTICAL CIRCULATION, YOU'RE HAVING TO, UM, POTENTIALLY ADD AN ADDITIONAL ELEVATOR, ADDITIONAL STAIRS. SO ALL OF THOSE COME INTO PLAY. [02:00:01] UM, AND THAT'S WHY THE COST GOES UP SIGNIFICANTLY FROM A THREE STORY TO A FOUR STORY. OKAY. GOT YOU. UH, NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE ARE NOT THERE YET, BUT I'M GONNA MENTION A FEW THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST THAT I HOPE THIS BUILDING WILL STAY OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. UH, PEOPLE WOULD LOVE THIS BUILDING, SO THEY WOULD NOT THINK ABOUT TAKING THE BUILDING DOWN IN THE FUTURE. THE ONLY WAY TO DO IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR ARCHITECT, YOU'RE GONNA BE CREATIVE, DO SOMETHING NICE SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD, YOU KNOW, FALL IN LOVE WITH THIS BUILDING, RIGHT? . AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL IS. AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME COST, MOST LIKELY, UH, IT'S NOT GOING TO BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING TOTALLY NEW THINGS. AND WITH THAT THING, IN MY MIND, I WAS THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS YOUR HOUSE, YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER ROOM NEXT TO YOUR BUILDING, EXTEND THE GARAGE. BUT WITH ARCHITECTURAL SOMETHING ELEMENT THAT NICE, PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE IT FROM ALL SIDE, OR ALL FOUR SIDES, EVEN FROM THE TOP. SO YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO EXTEND NEXT TO THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY THAT BUILDING. UH, EVEN THAT'S WHY THE, SOME ARCHITECT, WHEN THEY DESIGN SOMETHING, THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE THE CAMPUS CHANGE PERIOD BECAUSE THAT'S CREATED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ARCHITECT CREATED. UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S HIS HEART. UH, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE, THAT'S NOT THE CULTURE HERE. I THINK, UH, IN NORMALLY, BUT AT LEAST THE BUILDING COULD BE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT. MM-HMM. , UH, AND ANYTHING WE DO STAYS CLEAR FROM ALL SITE. AND, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE NICE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, EVEN PARKING ALL AROUND THE BUILDING. I KNOW THAT SOME ARCHITECTS, THEY DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY THE VIEW FROM THE TOP. UH, THAT'S WHY YOU CREATE, YOU KNOW, PARKING THAT'S UNDERGROUND. YOU DRIVE AROUND. IF YOU LOOK SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, GREAT ARCHITECT THAT DESIGN SOME OF THE THINGS, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, IT LOOKS GREEN OUT FROM THE TOP, BUT STILL YOU CAN DROP OFF PEOPLE FROM DOWN, YOU KNOW, UNDERGROUND. UH, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. UH, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN GO CLOSE VERY CLOSE TO THAT. SOME OF THE PARKING YOU CAN TAKE OUT, EMPLOYEE PARKING COULD BE IN THE FUTURE UNDERGROUND. UH, GREEN COULD BE ON THE TOP. UH, THAT'S, THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAVE THAT. SO I'M NOT REALLY TOO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THAT WITH THIS BUDGET. IF WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING LIKE A NICE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I THINK WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT HOW WE WANT THE DESIGN TO LOOK. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, SO I'M GONNA SET THAT ASIDE. WE, IN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK WE'LL GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, UM, AND A DATE IN THE FUTURE. SO SETTING THAT ASIDE, I SHARE COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER'S, UH, ENTHUSIASM ABOUT THE WAY THAT THIS, UH, DESIGN A ACTIVATES THE SPACE. UH, I ALSO SHARE THE CONCERNS OF COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AND BARRIOS RELATED TO THE DRIVE DOWN THE MIDDLE. UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PILLOWS AND BOLLARDS. WHILE YOU CAN HAVE DECORATIVE BOLLARDS, IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY TO HAVE THAT ENTIRE THING ALIGNED WITH BOLLARD SO THAT WE FEEL, UM, GOOD FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT. UM, SO I, I AGREE THAT THE, THE SPACE OF THE, THE CITY HALL AND THAT PLAZA ARE AMAZING IN OPTION A. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT, FOR ME, IT, IT WOULD REALLY TAKE AWAY, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A TIP BALL, BUT I, I JUST, I THINK THAT'S A, A TERRIBLE PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THIS SORT OF PLAZA, THAT GREEN SPACE, THAT'S THE THING THAT FOLKS HARPED ON THE MOST. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK BY HAVING A ROAD DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT, UH, WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM, UM, SORT OF THE VISION THAT IT SEEMS MOST RESIDENTS, UH, WANTED US TO FOLLOW. UH, BUT I AGREE, PLAN A IS, IS THE BETTER PLAN. UM, BUT HAVING A ROW OF BOLLARDS SMACK DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THIS COMMUNITY SPACE, UM, IN MY OPINION, WOULD NOT BE IDEAL BY ANY MEANS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, UH, WOULD ALLOW US TO SAVE A FEW MORE TREES BY NOT HAVING IT THERE AND COMPARING THE TWO PLANS. SO, UM, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, MY VOTE. IT WOULD BE OPTION A WITHOUT THE DRIVE DOWN THE MIDDLE. THANK YOU. AND ONE, ONE MORE THING I WANNA SAY. I THINK THIS PLAN WORKS BETTER TOO, BECAUSE IT COMPLIMENTS THE NEW ENTRY OF THE LIBRARY. THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER, EACH OTHER BETTER, UH, KEEPING THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAD BEFORE. THEY KIND OF TALK TO EACH OTHER. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE MOVING THE ENTRANCE TO THE LIBRARY, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE, THERE'S WAYS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO CONNECT THEM. UM, BUT I THINK THESE TWO JUST REALLY TALK TO EACH OTHER BETTER IN OPTION A THAN THEY WOULD IF WE KEPT THE, UH, THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE CAMPUS. YOU'RE RIGHT, WITH THE OTHER OPTION, THERE'S CHALLENGES WITH STILL HAVING, UH, MULTIPLE ENTRANCES LIKE YOU DO TODAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. BEFORE I GO BACK TO THE OTHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT PLAN A OR PLAN B. SO JUST F Y I, I'M NOT INFLUENCING THEM. MADE A POINT TO GO LAST , BUT WE'LL COME BACK. UM, [02:05:01] COUPLE OF IDEAS. UM, AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA BE IN THE MINORITY WHEN I SAY THIS. UM, WE'VE INVESTED $5 MILLION, I BELIEVE, IN GREEN SPACE. AT THE CORE, WE HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN WHAT THAT MEANS AND TO BRING PEOPLE THERE YET. BUT WE HAVE INVESTED IN THAT. AND I KNOW THE COMMUNITY WANTS A DESTINATION AND WANTS TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO UTILIZE GREEN SPACE. MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THEY WOULD COME TO THE FOUNTAIN AND TO THE ARTWORK AND, AND THAT GREEN SPACE, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD COME AND ENJOY, UM, THIS PARTICULAR DESTINATION. I THINK THAT IT'S SAFETY WISE, IF WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVITY THERE, I THINK YOU REALLY WOULD BLOCK OFF ARAPAHOE MOST LIKELY. LIKE WE BLOCK OFF, YOU KNOW, WILDFLOWER AND THAT TYPE STUFF TO WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRIVE. THEY'D HAVE TO COME FROM THE SOUTH TO GET IN. ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HEARD WAS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE USE THE EXISTING SLAB? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST A TERM, BUT YOU CAN'T USE THE EXISTING SLAB BECAUSE IT'S A PEERING BEAM CURRENTLY THERE. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO, IT'S NOT A SLAB TO PUT ON A SLAB, UH, BUILD A BUILDING ON IT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK. I'M REAL EXCITED ABOUT THE ARTWORK WITH THE FEATURE GOING WITH OUR THEME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH EVERY NEW BUILDING WE BUILD. AND SO THIS IS A NEW BUILDING IN ESSENCE, AND IT'S TOWARDS THE FUTURE. SO I THINK HAVING A REAL CREATIVE, AND I'M SURE DOWN THE LINE WE'LL HAVE SOME SAY AS A COUNCIL OF WHAT THAT ART FEATURE REALLY LOOKS LIKE. BUT I THINK THAT THAT HELPS MAKE IT A DESTINATION. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. I'M NOT GOING BACK TO THE GREEN SPACE. I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY SAY GREEN SPACE SLASH FUTURE, WHATEVER. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, NONE OF US WILL BE ON THE COUNCIL PROBABLY WHEN THAT FUTURE THING HAPPENS. BUT WHAT IF IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY, PUTS SOMETHING THERE THAT'S REALLY CREATIVE, AND THAT TIES IN WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR. IT, THEY GOT THE CITY HALL, SO FORTH. SO MAYBE THERE'S THINGS IN THE FUTURE THAT ARE ECONOMICALLY SOUND FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO ARE GREAT PARTNERSHIPS. AND THEY COULD USE MAYBE SOME OF THAT SPACE. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE KIND OF OVERLOOKED, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE PARKING, BUT MR. MAGNER STATED IT EARLY ON, THAT 90% OF THAT PARKING THAT CONCRETE'S ALREADY THERE, AND WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SAVING THE MONEY. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND USING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS VERY WI UH, WISELY. UM, AND I THINK THE CITIZENS HAVE SAID LOUDLY, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO ENTER FROM ARAPAHOE AND HA AND HAVE THE WI HAVE THE WAY FINDING. AND I THINK THOSE ARE CRITICAL THINGS THAT WE'RE ALL CHECKING THE BOXES ON. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH THE, UM, HAVING EVENTS THERE IN THE MEANTIME IF WE DO IT. BUT I REALLY WOULD HATE TO SEE US GET AWAY FROM UTILIZING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN USED YET, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN IN THE CORE, AND SEE HOW WE COULD DO THAT. WE DO IT AT COTTONWOOD PARK, WE DO IT AT, UM, WILDFLOWER, AND WE DO GONNA, WE'RE ABOUT TO DO IT AT THE CORE. WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO IT HERE AT THE IQ. AND SO HOW MANY DESTINATIONS DO WE REALLY NEED? AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL NEED TO OVEREMPHASIZE THAT, BUT I DO WANT THE TREES, AND I DO LOVE THE GREEN SPACE, BUT TO DESIGNATE IT A HUNDRED PERCENT IS, THAT'S ALL WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT. I THINK WE MIGHT BE MESSING UP OR IN THE FUTURE, UH, IF WE WERE TO PUT THAT IN OUR, UH, COMP PLAN AS SAYING THAT'S WHAT THAT'S DESIGNED FOR THE WHOLE TIME, THEN I MIGHT BE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. BUT ANYWAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS. I'M GONNA LET Y'ALL COMMENT AGAIN. I, I WOULD GO WITH A MYSELF AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM BOTH Y'ALL. MR. RY, FINAL COMMENTS? UH, JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. I, I AGREE 100% ON THE BOLLARDS. I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, COULD YOU UTILIZE TREES INSTEAD OF BOLLARDS TO PROTECT THE SIDEWALKS? I'M JUST, I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS AN IDEA. SO YEAH, I HAD THAT. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PARKWAY, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY PARKWAY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN USE TREES AS NATURAL BOLLARDS, BUT THEN LIKE THE BUILDINGS AREN'T GONNA TALK TO EACH OTHER VERY WELL AT THAT POINT, YOU SORT OF LOSE THE CLOSET EFFECT. YEAH, TRUE. YOU, YOU RUN INTO THAT SECOND QUESTION IS, IS DON KIND OF A, A QUESTION TO YOU? UM, AND I KNOW IT, THIS IS GONNA, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I KIND OF HAVE TO, UM, DO YOU SEE IF WE BUILD THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, A DAY WHEN WE WOULD NEED [02:10:01] TO EXPAND CITY HALL? OR DO YOU SEE IT AS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FROM A CITY HALL PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO ANOTHER, I'M GONNA SAY ANOTHER LOCATION AND THAT IT COULD BE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I'M, WHEN I SAY FUTURE, FUTURE BUILDING MAYBE IS A BETTER WORD TO USE THAN LOCATION. SO I, I ONLY ASK THAT BECAUSE I STILL THINK, I STILL THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANSION. BUT I HAD ONE OTHER IDEA. IF YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE WOULD NEED TO EXPAND CITY HALL, I HAD ONE MORE IDEA I WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE. SURE. I THINK ANNE AND AND DAVID HAVE IN, HAVE, UH, INTERVIEWED OUR, OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM, UM, EXTENSIVELY AND, AND TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHERE THEY SEE GROWTH. AND I THINK THEY'VE INCORPORATED THAT INTO THEIR PLANNING. AND SO, UM, I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED IF, UM, ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE, WE FOUND OURSELF WITH NOT ENOUGH SPACE. I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE REALLY HEDGING AGAINST THAT KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH, WITH THE PLANNING WORK THAT THESE GUYS HAVE DONE AND REALLY INCORPORATING THAT INTO THE PLANNING TODAY. SO I, I DON'T SEE IT. I DON'T SEE THAT. OKAY, GREAT. BECAUSE I, I, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST TO, TO KIND OF PUT EVERYBODY'S MIND AT EASE. IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY SPEAKING, IT WOULD BE INEXPENSIVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO STRUCTURE THE BUILDING TO ADD A FOURTH FLOOR. AND, AND I PROMISE YOU, IF I CAN ADD TWO FLOORS ON TOP OF A HOSPITAL, WE COULD ADD ONE FLOOR ON TOP OF CITY HALL, AND WE KEPT EVERYTHING FUNCTIONAL AND Y'ALL COULD TOO. I, I PROMISE YOU, YOU CAN. UM, SO I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SUGGESTION IS IF THERE'S REAL CONCERNS THAT DOWN THE ROAD WE NEED TO HAVE MORE SPACE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO UPSIZE THE BEAMS IS IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THAT'S DEFINITELY A DESIGN CONCEPT WE CAN LOOK AT. OKAY. ALRIGHTYY. UM, AND I HAD ONE MORE POINT. I FORGOT MY LAST POINT. IT'S OKAY TO ESCAPE ME. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. DORIAN. UH, YES. I JUST WANT TO ADD A COUPLE COMMENTS AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYONE. UM, I'D BE, BY ALL MEANS, I THINK OPTION A IS, UM, UH, BETTER SUITED FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE COMMON AREA CLOSED IN INSTEAD OF HAVING THE, UM, ENTRY OFF OF ARAPAHOE. I AGREE THAT ONCE YOU ENTER THAT SPACE, THAT'S GONNA BECOME THE COMMON AREA AND THE CROSS BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND CITY HALL. AND ALSO, UM, COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER DO, UH, LIKE THE FACT THAT THE FOURTH LEVEL COULD BE ADDED AS AN OPTION FOR FUTURE GROWTH, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DOABLE. OTHER THAN THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR AUXILIARY BUILDINGS, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE PARTNERSHIPS, UH, THAT COULD COME IN AT A LATER DATE OR SOME KIND OF, UH, AMPHITHEATER OR WHATEVER COULD COME UP IN THE FUTURE. WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS THERE, SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE AREAS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED AND STILL MAINTAIN UNCOMMON AREA FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE, HAVE A DESTINATION, EXCEPT WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR GROWTH. SO I DO LIKE THE FACT OF, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE FACT OF HAVING, UH, A FOURTH LEVEL IF THAT'S, UH, AN OPTION AND, UH, CREATING THAT COMMON AREA THERE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY TABLET JUST DIED. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BORROW COUNCILMAN JUSTICES WHILE I ASK THESE QUESTIONS. UM, SORRY, IT LITERALLY JUST DIED AS YOU WERE CALLING ON ME. ME . OKAY. I WANT TO, UH, I THINK COUNCILMAN JUSTICE, UM, THE WAY SHE PUT IT EARLIER, IT REALLY SYNCS UP WHAT MY THOUGHTS, WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE. SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS AGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE AND COUNCILMAN DORIAN ON THIS, WHERE I'M LEANING TOWARDS A OPTION, UH, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ROAD. AND I KNOW THERE'S THINGS WE CAN, UH, I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THE ROAD AT THIS POINT, BUT I, I WOULD NEED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T SUPPORT TREES JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT ALSO HIDES KIDS WALKING AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING BULLARD, THE, HOW DO YOU SAY IT, BULLARD, BALLARDS BALLARDS WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT. UM, THE ONLY, AND, AND THE ONLY, I GUESS, SOMEWHAT HESITATION WHERE I'M, A LITTLE PIECE OF ME LIKES THAT B OPTION A LITTLE BIT BETTER IS THE PARKING WHILE I'M, I I'M FOR LESSER PARKING. I THINK IT'S MORE THE ACCESS AND GIVING IT KIND OF A TH YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT PARKING THREE WAYS AROUND IT. I LIKE THAT OPTION. UH, CLARIFICATION. UH, DON THAT PARKING LOT IN OPTION A WHERE WE'RE SAYING STAFF PARKING AND STAFF ENTRY, THAT'S NOT A DEDICATED STAFF ENTRY. JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THOSE WATCHING, I MEAN, CITIZENS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH [02:15:01] SIDES, KINDA LIKE THE CURRENT STATE HALL HAS ON BOTH SIDES. YEAH, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THAT. YEAH. AGAIN, THIS IS A, THIS IS A SITE PLAN. WE HAVEN'T PROGRAMMED THE PARKING. IT'S OKAY. JUST, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA, I DON'T WANNA DEAL WITH A BUNCH OF EMAILS SAYING, YES, WE'RE GONNA SHUT OFF . BUT I MEAN, IF YOU, IF THE PUBLIC DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO PARK THERE. YEAH. RIGHT. SO, UM, I I, AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN, UH, HUTCHIN RIDER, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, UH, LIBRARY, UM, I LOST TRACK OF TIME A FEW WEEKS BACK A MONTH OR SO AGO. ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS WAS THAT ENTRYWAY TO THE LIBRARY AND HOW FAR THE PARKING WAS, THIS OPTION A ACTUALLY EVEN CREATES A BIGGER PROBLEM AS FAR AS I, I THINK, I THINK COUNCILMAN BARRY, COUNCILMAN HU WAS MORE WORRIED OR CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE DIRECT CONNECTIVITY. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE TWO DROP OFF LANES. YEAH. I SEE. SO, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMENTS COUNCIL, HUTCHMAN MADE AND GOOD POINT. THEY'RE COVERED. OKAY. ISN'T THAT ON THE DESIGN? AREN'T THEY COVERED? THEY'RE NOT COVERED, BUT WE ALSO, UM, HAVE, UM, ACCESSIBLE PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THESE DRIVES SO THAT IT'S A CLOSER WALK, UM, FROM THAT WALK. OH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CAN HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE YEAH. CANOPIES. YES. YEAH, THE CANOP, THE CANOPIES WHERE YOU DROP SOMEONE OFF. UM, WELL, THAT WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED FULLY YET. I KNOW THAT THE LIBRARY IS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, FOR THEIR CANOPY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK COHESIVELY TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT, UM, THAT COULD BE AND CREATE A POSSIBLE COVERED AT THAT LOCATION. I THANK YOU. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ABOUT HIS CONCERN FROM, UH, AND CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO MAY BE WATCHING, I, UM, HESITANTLY AM GONNA SAY OPTION A. UM, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THAT'S MORE BASED ON THE, UM, FUTURE FLEXIBILITY IT PROVIDES. I REALLY LOVE THE VISION OF THE PAST, FACING THE FUTURE. I LOVE WHAT THAT MEANS. THE, THE FOUNTAIN FACING THE ARTWORK. I LOVE ITS LOCATION OF 75 AND ARAPAHOE AND HAVING MUCH MORE IN THE FOREFRONT OF, OF THE CAMPUS. AND THAT'S WHY I'M LEANING TOWARDS, UM, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED SOME, YOU KNOW, WHAT OBVIOUSLY FUTURE COUNCILS WILL HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON, ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FLEXIBILITY. I'LL BE HONEST, IT KINDA, THE SOUND OF THAT'S KINDA LIKE NAILS ON THE CHALKBOARD TO ME IN THE SENSE OF WE'RE MAKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT PART OF MY DECISION MAKING PROCESS. FLEXIBILITY IS MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF IT. 'CAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE A CITY HALL SHOULD BE, UH, IN A LIBRARY IS THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY. AND TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PROCESS, TO ME IS JUST, DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT. SO THAT'S NOT PART OF MY DECISION MAKING PROCESS, BUT I WILL AGREE WITH A BEING THE BETTER OPTION BETWEEN THE TWO FOR ME. AND I, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE, I THINK PUT IT MUCH CLEARER AND BETTER WHEN, UH, SHE SHARED HER THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT ROAD. AND I'M GONNA AGREE WITH HER. AND, UH, YEAH. A THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE. YEAH, JUST FINAL COMMENTS. I MEAN, I, I THINK, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DESIGN TONIGHT, SO I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT WE ALL AGREE A IS BETTER AND THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE DESIGN BEING BROUGHT BACK WHEN WE COULD HAVE MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CIRCULATION OF THE CAMPUS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. BUT I THINK A JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. UH, A VERY RANDOM QUESTION, UH, THAT I'M SURE SOME OF US WILL GET IS, WHERE DO WE ENVISION SANTA'S VILLAGE BEING? WOULD THAT BE PART OF THIS PLAZA AND TAKING UP THE GREEN, OR DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA AT THIS POINT? SO, UM, WELL, I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. IT'S THAT I REALLY THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY IS GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA DO IT FOR FOUR YEARS AT HUFFINES. YEP. AND WE'RE SPENDING, WE'RE INVESTING, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REFINING IT. IT'S GETTING, IT'S GONNA BE BETTER AND BETTER EACH YEAR AT HUFFINES. AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG QUESTION FOR THE COMMUNITY. UH, THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY EXPO WORKED EXTREMELY WELL AT HUFFINES. YEAH. AND, UH, THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. UH, MAYOR DUBY POINTS A VERY GOOD ONE. WE'RE SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CREATING PLACES. ULTIMATELY, THOSE PLACES WILL START TO COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER. AND HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT AND WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE INVESTING IN IT FROM A, FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT HERE, BUT THERE ARE PRIVATE INVESTORS THAT ARE INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN BECAUSE WE SAY WE'RE GONNA DO EVENTS DOWN THERE AND WE'RE GONNA PROGRAM DOWNTOWN ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND SO WHEN WE DON'T DO THAT AND WE TAKE IT HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHAT KIND OF MESSAGING DOES THAT SEND? SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT'S A MUCH DEEPER, I THINK, CONVERSATION FOR THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHERE DO THESE EVENTS HAPPEN AND THEN WHERE DO THE DISCRETIONARY EVENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY PROGRAM AS PART OF THE IQ AND THE COURT DISTRICT, WHERE DO THOSE HAPPEN? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BUT YEAH, NO, BY FAR A I THINK THAT'S, UH, [02:20:01] IT RANG LOUD AND CLEAR TONIGHT IN MY OPINION. IQ, MR. CORCORAN. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, JUST REAL QUICK, WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DESIGN, CAN YOU CLARIFY? YEAH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HERE TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING. THERE'S BEEN TONS OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE SEE-THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND THE STORIES AND THE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE CAMPUS. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT, LIKE, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE . YEAH. BUT LET THAT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I MEAN, I, I DO WANNA YOU SAID CIRCULATION. SO LET, LET ME, LET ME, MAYOR, IF I CAN TRY TO SUMMARIZE, I, I THINK THERE, I THINK THERE'S A, AT LEAST A, A STRONG CONSENSUS THAT A IS THE BEST, UH, OP OPTION. UM, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVE THAT WE'RE ALL REFERRING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LET US LOOK AT THAT AND EXPLORE IT. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO BRING YOU BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ONLY AN OPTION WHERE IT IS A DRIVE, AN OPTION, MAYBE WHERE IT'S JUST A PEDESTRIAN MALL. UM, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST OPEN SPACE SOME OTHER WAY. LET, LET US THINK THROUGH THAT. BUT I MEAN, CLEARLY, UM, THIS COULD WORK IF IT WASN'T A DRIVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA LACK SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY THAT WAS RANKED REALLY HIGH WITH ARAPAHOE ROAD FROM A, FROM A MOTORIST STANDPOINT. THAT'S, BUT THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR DECISION. I MEAN, YOU, YOU HEARD THAT INPUT. IF THE SAFETY OUTWEIGHS THAT, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED FROM YOU. SO WE'RE GONNA BRING YOU BACK OPTIONS THAT CLEARLY ARE, INCLUDE THE MOTORIST ELEMENT AND DO NOT INCLUDE THE MOTORIST ELEMENT. AND IF YOU, IF YOU AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THE MOTORIST ELEMENT, THEN WE CAN GO WITH THE, WITH THE ALTERNATIVE. IT'S, IT STILL WORKS FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT VERY WELL. BUT, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AND, AND, AND COUNCILMAN JUSTICE TO THAT POINT, THE CIRCULATION IS GONNA BE WHAT IT IS. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CIRCULATION. I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S NOT MORE OPTIONS. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I COULD POTENTIALLY SEE IS, IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO CONNECT TO ARAPAHOE THROUGH ONE OF THE PARKING LOTS, PERHAPS. BUT THAT'S A BIG, COULD YOU NOT LEAVE THE LIBRARY TURN IN NOW AND THEN PUT A KIND IN YEAH, NO, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE BOOK DROP OFF. SO LET, LET, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A THOUSAND VARIATIONS PROBABLY TO THIS, THAT THESE GUYS COULD COME UP WITH. UH, THERE MAY NOT BE A GOOD, THERE MAY NOT BE A GOOD VARIATION BECAUSE THE CONNECTIVITY FROM THE, TO THE, THE 48 SPACES IS GONNA BE ALMOST NON-EXISTENT BECAUSE OF HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE, TO THE TWO INTERSECTIONS THERE. YOU KNOW, COULD THERE BE SOMETHING, UH, BETWEEN THE PLAZA AND CITY HALL, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS LIKE ON B, WHERE YOU KIND OF SCOOT THE PLOT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF TAKE THE ROAD AND JUST MOVE IT BETWEEN THE PLAZA AND CITY HALL WHERE IT'S NOT RIGHT DOWN THE OPEN SPACE. THAT'S MAYBE, WE'LL SEE. BUT I, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE HOMEWORK THAT WE HAVE IS TO EXPLORE, BASED ON THIS FEEDBACK, I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT WE NEED TO GO EXPLORE, EXPLORE FURTHER. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE SHOULD BE, IF IT'S EXACTLY THIS WITHOUT THE ROAD, I THINK I'M STILL HEARING A CONS. LIKE, LET'S SAY IT'S JUST A PEDESTRIAN MALL. I THINK I'M STILL HEARING THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT WE SHOULD, BECAUSE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, WE STARTED INVESTING MORE AND MORE RESOURCES REFINING THIS. AND THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WE'RE SEEKING. CAN I ASK THAT FOR A CLARIFICATION? SO THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE WANT THIS TO BE CLOSER TO ARAPAHOE, AND YOU KNOW, IT ACTIVATES THAT AND, AND A COMMENT ABOUT HOW THE CITIZENS ARE CLEAR ABOUT WANTING THERE TO BE A ACCESS FROM ARAPAHOE ROAD, BUT THE, MAYBE IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE, IN THE GRAPH WE HAVE HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT, I MEAN, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO BE CLOSER AND WE WANNA HAVE THOSE SORT OF BUILDINGS TALK TO EACH OTHER. WE WANT MORE TREES, WE WANT A COMMUNITY PLAZA, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN THE, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, WHERE THE CITIZENS ARE SAYING, AND WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE ACCESS FROM ARAPAHOE ROAD. SO MAYBE THAT WAS A QUESTION ASKED, THAT'S NOT REFLECTED HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT. LET ME, CHARLES IS GOT, YEAH, THAT WAS A SEPARATE QUESTION. WE ASKED, WE ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, HOW PEOPLE PREFER TO ACCESS THE CAMPUS IN ONE OF, UM, THE, UH, UM, UM, RESPONSES WE GOT WAS AS ADDITIONAL ACCESS FROM ARAPAHOE ROAD. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I, UH, WHAT WE GOT TONIGHT IS A PIE CHART THAT SAYS WE WANT A BUNCH OF TREES IN A PLAZA AND CLOSER ARAPAHOE ROAD AND NOT THAT. SO I MEAN, WHEN YOU BRING BACK THE PLAN, MAYBE BRING THAT TOO. SO WE ARE HAVING ALL OF THAT, UM, WE'RE REVIEWING ALL THAT TOTALITY. I'M SORRY, DON, DO WE HAVE, UH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE LENGTH, BUT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FROM A FIRE PROTECTION STANDPOINT? UH, THE CENTER AISLE? YEAH, THE CENTER DRIVE. I DON'T THINK SO. NO. AROUND SEA HALL, WE DON'T HAVE TO. I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. 'CAUSE I, I DON'T THAT THAT ONE POINT, THERE'D BE NO ACCESS. MM-HMM. , THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER THAT YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY LONG POINT THERE THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ACCESSIBILITY FROM A, FROM A ROAD PERSPECTIVE TO GET APPARATUS CLOSER TO THOSE POINTS. SO I, I JUST THINK WE'VE, LET'S JUST DOUBLE, I MEAN, SURE. WE'LL DEFINITELY JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON IT. BUT THAT DISTANCES LOOK AWFULLY FAR BASED ON WHAT I'M REMEMBERING. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM. ? ABSOLUTELY. THANKS MR. CORKER. SORRY, JUST, I WASN'T QUITE DONE WITH MY COMMENTS AS WELL. JUST REAL QUICK. I MEAN, THE, [02:25:01] WHEN WE SAY LIKE, OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS FOR A, I'M, I LIKE THE DESIGN OF A, AND I, MY ONLY CONCERN OUTSIDE OF THE DRIVE, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS JUST, IS THE PARKING MM-HMM. AND THE OVER PARKING MM-HMM. THE POTENTIAL OVER PARKING. OKAY. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE'RE BRINGING BACK DESIGNS, MAYBE JUST IF, IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT THE SAME, SAME OR EVEN ADD MORE, MAYBE A JUSTIFICATION AS TO, TO WHY THAT'S NECESSARY. MM-HMM. , THAT'S MY ONLY, YEAH. WE, WE CAN, WE CAN IDENTIFY IN THE, IF WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT'S NEW, AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN, CAN WE CAN ASK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. WE WE'RE TAKING A LITTLE BIT OUT ONLY ON THE RIGHT THERE WHERE THE CHAMBER IS JUST TO CREATE THAT GREEN BAND. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF IT'S THERE, I DON'T REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, A GREAT BENEFIT TO REMOVING IT. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COSTING US ANYTHING TO LEAVE IT, BUT SO WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS THE NEW PARKING, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. I MEAN, RESPECTFULLY, I WAS IT, IS IT THE GREENS? I, I GUESS SO. I GUESS SO LET ME, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE CONSENSUS ON THIS TOO. 'CAUSE THIS IS THE POINT. SO YOU CAN'T PUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT UP THERE IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA PLANT TREES AND THEN THAT'S GONNA BECOME AN ISSUE. I MEAN, IF WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T IDENTIFY THIS AND WE SHOULDN'T REALLY EVEN, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. IF THE IDEA IS TO BEAUTIFY THE CAMPUS AND PUT MORE TREES AND THEN THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE. NO, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YEAH, I IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT SPECIFIC RECTANGLE AT THE BOTTOM THERE. RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AT THE MARGINS TO, TO SAY, LOOK, IF 34 PARKING SPACES DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A OR B MM-HMM. , THEN WHY HAVE THEM AND WHY NOT MAKE IT EITHER A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUFFER ALONG THE HIGHWAY OR RAISE UP THAT BOTTOM RIGHT SECTION. I, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LEAVING THE PARK WHERE THE 48 ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF CITY HALL? I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M REALLY, I I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO GO THROUGH AND SAY HEY, LIKE THESE ARE LIKE VERY, VERY SPECIFICALLY NITPICK AT CERTAIN SPOTS. I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOTTA BE AN OPPORTUNITY SOMEWHERE HERE AROUND THE MARGINS TO, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PARK FEEL. IF I AGREE, I THINK THE, THAT'S LONG TIME TO SAY, I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE WHERE WE'RE POURING NEW CONCRETE AS OPPOSED TO JUST REMOVING CONCRETE. I SEE. SO WHAT I PROPOSE IS THAT WE BRING BACK AND WE SHOW WHAT CONCRETE IS EXISTING. 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE A GREAT BENEFIT IN REMOVING THAT. BUT IT, WHERE WE'RE POURING NEW CONCRETE, IF IT'S, IF THE PARKING'S NOT REQUIRED, THEN THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY PERHAPS TO DO LESS OF THE NEW CONCRETE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. OKAY. YEAH. AND, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY COUNCILMAN COCHRAN, IS LET'S BE CAREFUL. 'CAUSE WHAT I DON'T ALSO WANT US TO DO IS IF WE ASK OURSELVES FOR VARIANCE, WE'RE GONNA WEAKEN OUR POSITION. IF SOMEBODY COMES 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS, 120 DAYS AND SAYS, WELL I WANT A VARIANCE, I WANNA CUT MY PARKING IN HALF. AND WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, BUT YOU DID WHAT YOU WANTED TO ON YOUR, ON CITY PROPERTY. SO THAT'S MY ONLY, I'M NOT SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WRONG. MM-HMM. , I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT IN CONTEXT AS WELL. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SIT UP HERE AND HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND MAKE THAT ARGUMENT AND THROW THAT ON OUR FACE, IF YOU WILL. YEAH. I DON'T FIGHT THEM ON THAT ALL DAY, BUT SURE, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD FIGHT THEM, BUT I ALSO, I NEVER WANT TO BE PUT INTO THAT WHERE YOU I UNDERSTAND BACK YOURSELF INTO A CORNER. THAT'S, AND THAT, THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY ON THAT. MR. BARRIOS, I FORGOT WITH ALL THE, WHAT HE JUST SAID, I JUST FORGOT WHAT MY QUESTION WAS. . SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO NO, UM, I, I, I LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN, UH, CORKIN HAD TO SAY REGARDING PARKING SPACES AND KEEPING DONE. I JUST REMEMBERED. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU FOR OFFERING IT. WHAT, WHAT HIS CONCERNS WERE COMING BACK AND SHOWING US. I APPRECIATE THAT IN A SECOND. SO THANK YOU, UM, ON WHEN YOU, AND I KNOW YOU AND THE TEAM WILL BE COMING WITH OPTIONS, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR THIS ROAD AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT IT. UM, WHEN YOU DO COME BACK, UH, IF YOU'LL KIND OF GIVE US SOME FOOTAGE AS FAR AS, HEY, IF WE PUT THIS BUFFER HERE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S X AMOUNT OF FEET FROM THE ROAD, JUST SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS WHEN YOU DO, WHENEVER THAT IS TIME FOR YOU TO COME BACK. SO THAT'S ALL I ASK IS THAT, 'CAUSE I'M SURE AS YOU GUYS SAID, YOU'LL, Y'ALL HAVE MORE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY THINK OF. AND I, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OUT THERE AND YOU GUYS WILL THINK OF CREATIVE WAYS AND SMART WAYS TO, TO MAKE THIS THE BEST FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO, UM, BUT IF YOU COULD ADD SOME MEASUREMENTS IN THERE SO I COULD, THAT WOULD HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU COUNSEL. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS. I'M SURE ANN, JIM, Y'ALL APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS, GAVE YOU A LOT OF HOMEWORK. SO THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO GET US TO THIS POINT. AND ONE THING THAT DIDN'T COME UP, I FORGOT TO SAY IT BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS ON MANY LITTLE COMMENTS. THE GIANT PECAN TREE [02:30:01] WITH ALL THE RED LIGHTS IS STILL GONNA BE THERE, CORRECT? IT IS RIGHT HERE. SO YES, PLEASE DESIGNATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REAL CRITICAL TO THE COMMUNITY. WHETHER SANTA'S VILLAGE IS THERE OR NOT, WE LIGHT THAT THING UP. NOW, OTHER SIDE OF THAT, I THINK IT HAS SOME, UM, DISEASES OR SOMETHING AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE FOREVER. SO, ALRIGHT, SO IT IS STRUGGLING. WITH THAT BEING DONE, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC. WE'LL GO TO ITEM [E. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] E REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. THANK YOU EVERYONE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS, DOREEN , WHATEVER YOUR NAME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR A, YOU, I, UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY I, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, GO TO THE TL T M L THIS WEEK OR THIS PAST WEEK, WHICH IS A TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, UH, INSTITUTE. I WAS ABLE TO SPEND A COUPLE DAYS THERE, UH, LEARNING, UM, ABOUT HOW, HOW TO BE A NEWLY ELECTED COUNCILMAN AND WAS VERY, UH, UH, VERY ENGAGING. UM, IT WAS FAST AND FURIOUS, BUT UM, IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF MEETING, UM, OUR FORMER FORT WORTH MAYOR, UH, BETSY PRICE. I SAT, I SAT WITH HER AND OF COURSE WE HAD, UH, DAN JOHNSON SPEAK, UM, WHICH WAS VERY NICE. EVERYONE LOVED HEARING HIM SPEAK. SO IT WAS A REALLY GOOD, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD, UH, EVENT. I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED IT. I LEARNED A LOT AND, UH, IT'S AMAZING OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AND BE ENGAGED IN. SO I WAS REAL HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THAT. SECOND THING, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND, UM, WE HAD GOTTEN NOTIFICATION THAT THERE WAS A FIRE AT THE CORNER OF PITTMAN AND GREENVILLE AND I HAD, UH, FLOWN BACK IN ON SATURDAY, CAME IN, WENT TO THE GYM, AND THEN GOT A CALL, WENT OVER THERE, MET UH, WITH THE, UH, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY DID AN EXTREMELY GREAT JOB, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUT THE FIRE AND WITH, UH, MINIMAL AMOUNT OF DAMAGE TO THE HOME, BUT, UM, DAMAGE TO THE BACKYARD. BUT JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, I DID GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR OUR, FOR THAT DISTRICT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO THAT WAS ALSO VERY INTERESTING FOR SATURDAY AFTERNOON AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. HU RUDDER. UH, JUST TWO THINGS REAL QUICK. NUMBER ONE, WANT TO, MOST OF US HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ON WEDNESDAY EVENING TO CELEBRATE WITH DART THEIR 40TH CELEBRATION. THEY HAD IT HERE AT THE EISMAN CENTER, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY, REALLY NEAT TO HAVE IT. THE, FOR DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT TO HAVE THE CELEBRATION HERE IN RICHARDSON. UM, KUDOS TO OUR CITY MANAGER, DON MAGNER FOR OPENING IT UP. AND, UH, I THINK SETTING THE, THE, THE EVENT OUT ON A RIGHT NOTE. AND THEN JUST A QUICK LITTLE SHOUT OUT, I WAS GONNA MENTION THIS TO DON AFTERWARDS, BUT I'LL DO IT RIGHT HERE TODAY. UM, RIGHT OUT ON SHILOH, UM, A LITTLE LADY HAD HER CAR, ONE OF HER TIRES BLEW OUT AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD RESPONDED TO A CALL WAS COMING BACK AND I THINK IT WAS ENGINE FIVE, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. IT WAS EITHER FIVE OR SIX, STOPPED AND HELPED HER CHANGE HER TIRE AND GOT HER BACK ON THE ROAD AND IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED PLUS DEGREES WHEN THEY DID THAT. AND JUST A HUGE SHOUT OUT THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY PROBABLY 10 MINUTES. UM, 'CAUSE THEY WERE ALL DOWN THERE WORKING ON IT TOGETHER. IT WAS QUITE THE FIRE OPERATIONS CHANGING ONE TIRE. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. BUT THEY, THEY STOPPED AND TOOK CARE OF HER AND IT'S JUST ONE MORE WAY THAT I THINK MAKES CITY OF RICHARDSON SPECIAL. SO JUST A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO THEM FOR DOING THAT TODAY. THANKS. THANK YOU KEN. MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, ON SATURDAY, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ON MY CALENDAR, UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT GREAT FEEDBACK FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I WANTED TO GIVE IT A SHOUT, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T THERE PERSONALLY, THE DOG SLASH DAY AT TERRACE POOL. UM, SO WHILE I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD A CHANCE TO ATTEND, I WAS REALLY HOPING, UH, MAYBE EVEN KNOW I PUT MY DOG OR DOG HAD TO BE PUT DOWN SHORTLY, A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO. SO I WAS HOPING TO GO AND GET TO PLAY WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE'S DOGS, BUT, UH, LIFE GOT A LITTLE BUSY ON SATURDAY, BUT I HEARD NOTHING BUT GREAT THINGS. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE INVOLVED WITH THAT. UM, NEAT THING THAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK, A FEW, WE, OH, A LITTLE BIT OVER A MONTH AGO, BUT IT WAS SOMEBODY, ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS REACHED OUT REGARDING A CONCERN WITH THE POLICY OF DART. AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A PARTNER DART, WE, I WAS ABLE TO PASS THAT ON TO, UH, GARY SLAGEL, WHO THEN PASSED IT ON TO OTHERS. AND UM, AND I HEARD BACK, UM, EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT THAT POLICY DART WAS CHANGED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITABLE. UM, AND JUST, I CALLED ON SATURDAY THE RESIDENT AND SHE WAS OVER THE MOON WITH THAT. SHE'S LIKE, THANK YOU. I WAS LIKE, WELL, I HAD NOTHING. ALL I DID WAS FORWARD YOUR EMAIL. 'CAUSE REALITY IS THERE WERE OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE WHO DID THAT. [02:35:01] UM, BUT IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT WHILE WE, WE WERE WITH DAR EARLIER THIS WEEK, THAT THEY DID TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS RESIDENT'S CONCERN AND REALLY PUT A, MAKE AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THINGS THAT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO THIS RESIDENT AND TO PROBABLY MANY OTHER RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU. AND A SHOUT OUT TO DART AND GARY SLAGEL FOR ALL THEIR WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY MORE COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU COUNSEL AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, BUT NO FURTHER BUSINESS. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:35 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, MR. SO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.