Oct 05, 2023 City Planning Commission Meetings

EXCUSE ME.

OBTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THESE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 1002 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY IN ARAPAHOE ROAD.

THIS SITE WAS ZONED IN 2019 TO THE COLLINS ARAPAHOE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

AND AS PART OF THE STATION AREA SUBDISTRICT, THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EAST ACROSS GREENVILLE AVENUE IS THE DART ARAPAHOE CENTER STATION AND TO THE WEST ACROSS CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY IS A CHURCH.

THIS SUBJECT SITE IN TOTAL IS 8.1 ACRES.

IT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES WITH SIX SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OFFERING 117,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL LEASE SPACE.

SO TONIGHT'S REQUEST FROM SHREDDER SKI SCHOOL IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR INDOOR COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT.

THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO OCCUPY THE 4,700 SQUARE FOOT LEASE SPACE IN THIS SO SOUTHERN PORTION OF BUILDING NUMBER TWO, UM, WHICH IS FACING ARAPAHO.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE OPERATING HOURS WILL BE 8:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND THEY WILL OFFER INDOOR SKIING AND SNOWBOARDING INSTRUCTION FOR CHILDREN AGED 10 MONTHS TO 10 YEARS OLD.

UM, IN ADDITION TO INSTRUCTION, THEY WILL OFFER, UM, CLASS, THEY WILL OFFER GATHERINGS SUCH AS BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND PARENTS NIGHT OUT AND SUMMER AND HOLIDAY CAMPS AT THE FACILITY.

IN TOTAL, THE SITE PROVIDES 306 PARKING SPACES.

ONLY 178 ARE REQUIRED PER THE PD.

UM, BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S EXPECTATION FOR, UH, ATTENDANCE AND FOR STAFF ON SITE, THEY EXPECT TO NEED 15 TO 20 PARKING SPACES ON SITE.

THE FLOOR PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ILLUSTRATES HOW THE INTERIOR WILL BE, UH, MADE TO SIMULATE MOUNTAIN SKIING.

THEY WILL HAVE TWO RAMPS, A SIX FOOT AND A 10 FOOT TALL RAMP, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER AREAS FOR EQUIPMENT TO PRACTICE PRE-TRAINING AND STRENGTH TRAINING AND BALANCING ACTIVITIES.

THIS PHOTO SHOWS THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, AND THIS IS THE ENTRANCE FOR THAT LEASE SPACE AS SEEN FROM ARAPAHO.

AND FINALLY, SHOULD THE C P C ACCEPT THE REQUEST, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THE SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE LEASE SPACE AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.

IT SHALL BE LIMITED TO SHREDDER AND A BUILDING PERMIT SHALL BE

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AND WE HAVE RECEIVED NO CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THIS CASE TONIGHT, AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I'M JUST GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BRIEFING SESSION AGAIN ON THE WHY THERE'S NO, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.

SO THE USE FOR AN INDOOR COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ESTABLISHED PARKING RATIO IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE.

SINCE THESE, UM, TYPES OF USES ARE TYPICALLY, UM, BROUGHT FORTH WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST, THAT IS, UM, THAT PARKING IS USUALLY USUALLY DETERMINED DURING THE, EITHER DURING THAT DISCUSSION.

UM, HOWEVER, THIS LOCATION WITH THIS PD, THE PARKING, UM, IS ONLY ADDITIONAL PARKING IS ONLY REQUIRED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL NEWLY CONSTRUCTED BUILDING.

SO THE, THE USES WITHIN THE BUILDING, IF THOSE WERE TO CHANGE, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

AND HOW ABOUT, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION? DID STAFF SEE ANY NEED TO SPECIFY THAT? UM, NO.

STAFF DID NOT SEE A NEED TO SPECIFY THAT.

JUST BASED ON THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THIS AREA THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

UM, AND THE, BASED ON THE SURPLUS OF PARKING THEY HAVE AT THE SITE, WE WOULDN'T EXPECT THERE TO BE ANY ISSUES WITH, UM, THE 8:00 AM TO 9:00 PM THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.

WE'RE NOT HAVING LIKE, SNOW MACHINES IN THERE AND RUNNING WATER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

UH, WELL THEN, UH, THIS IS, UH, WE'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UH, TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE PLANNED HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

HELLO, I'M, UH, ROBERT LACEY.

I'M WITH, UH, SHREDDER.

UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO OPEN, UH, INDOOR SKI AND SNOWBOARD SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN.

UM, IT IS, UH, WELL, I GUESS I CAN KIND OF JUST TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF FIRST.

UM, I, I GREW UP IN VERMONT.

UH, SO I GREW UP, UH, SKIING AND SNOWBOARDING MY WHOLE LIFE.

UH, I USED TO TEACH, UH, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER.

UM, I WOULD TEACH IN LIKE SIXTH GRADE 'CAUSE I USED TO GET TO GO TO THE MOUNTAIN FOR FREE.

UH, AND I WOULD TEACH KIDS.

UM, AND I DID THAT OFF AND ON UNTIL, UH, YOU KNOW, UNTIL I MOVED AWAY.

UM, I THEN STARTED GOING TO SKIING IN COLORADO A LOT.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I, UH, MET MY WIFE .

SO, UH, SHE STARTED SNOWBOARDING.

UM, BASICALLY I JUST HAVE SKIED AND SNOWBOARDED MY WHOLE LIFE.

UM, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, I, UH, WAS KIND OF IN BETWEEN JOBS.

SHREDDER, UH, IS A FRANCHISE.

THEY ARE, THEY'RE BASED IN, UM, COLORADO.

UH, THEY JUST STARTED LIKE THEIR FRANCHISE PROGRAM AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.

SO IT WAS A PERFECT TIME FOR ME TO, I WAS KIND OF WANTING TO START MY OWN BUSINESS, GET, YOU KNOW, GET OUT OF, I WAS IN MEDICAL SALES, UH, GET INTO, YOU KNOW, STARTING MY OWN BUSINESS.

AND THEN SKIING WAS, YOU KNOW, A PASSION OF MINE.

SO I WAS LIKE, THIS IS AWESOME.

UM, SKIING, UH, IS IS AN EXPENSIVE SPORT, UH, FOR PARENTS TO TAKE THEIR KIDS TO THE MOUNTAIN, UM, AND GO AND SKI AND SNOWBOARD UP AT, YOU KNOW, VAIL, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE MOUNTAINS.

IT'S LIKE 700 BUCKS FOR A DAY OF, OF A LESSON.

UM, SO I THOUGHT THIS IDEA WAS SO COOL THAT YOU COULD TEACH YOUR KIDS HOW TO SKI IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE IN DALLAS AND THEN GO UP TO THE MOUNTAINS AND THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN ALREADY BE, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN THE HILL, UH, THEIR FIRST TIME THERE VERSUS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FUMBLE DOWN THE HILL WITH ALL THE SKI GEAR ON.

UM, DALLAS IS FROM SOME OF THE, UH, STUDIES THAT THE FRANCHISE OWNERS HAVE DONE, DALLAS IS LIKE ONE OF THE BIGGEST HUBS TO TRAVEL TO COLORADO AND UTAH TO GO SKIING.

SO WE HAVE A, A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT SKI HERE.

SO THEY THINK THAT THIS MARKET'S GONNA DO REALLY WELL WITH, UH, AN INDOOR SKI SCHOOL.

UM, SO YEAH, IT JUST KIND OF ALL CAME TOGETHER WHERE I WAS LIKE, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

I LOVE SKIING.

UH, IT JUST SEEMS REALLY COOL.

I'VE BEEN OUT TO COLORADO A FEW TIMES TO SEE THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY HAVE SIX LOCATIONS THERE.

THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, YEAH, IT JUST SEEMED REALLY, REALLY AWESOME AND SOMETHING I REALLY WANTED TO DO.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FINDING THE SPACE IS, YOU KNOW, BEEN A CHALLENGE 'CAUSE IT'S A UNIQUE BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S REQUIRING RAMPS IS KIND A TALLER CEILING.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE FAKE SNOW .

IT'S NOT, OR SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE REAL SNOW .

IT'S, IT'S FAKE.

IT'S JUST LIKE A CARPET ESSENTIALLY THAT MIMICS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A GROOMED TRAIL.

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UM, IT JUST KIND OF MIMICS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, GROOMED, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY HARD TO, TO SKI ON.

LIKE, I DID IT IN DENVER, AND IF YOU COULD SKI ON THE, THE GROOMED, FAKE GROOMED STUFF, THEN YOU COULD SKI ON THE REAL MOUNTAIN.

SO , UM, IT FOLLOWS THE P S I A CURRICULUM, WHICH IS, UH, 10, YOU KNOW, PRO 10, LIKE STEP PROGRAM, ESSENTIALLY LIKE, UH, SO THE, IT'S A 10 WEEK COURSE FOR THE, FOR THE STUDENTS.

UM, THE RATIO IS LIKE ONE, UH, TEACHER TO FIVE STUDENTS AT THE MAX.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SMALLER CLASSES, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY FOLLOWS THAT OVER A 10 WEEK COURSE.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY FOLLOWING THE SAME REGIMEN YOU WOULD GET IF YOU GO TO THE MOUNTAIN.

UM, SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GONNA DO REALLY WELL AND WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED .

AND, UH, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THANK THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR THE TIME.

UH, DID HE, YOU GET HIS ADDRESS? OH, COULD YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ADDRESS? LIKE MY ? OH, WHERE I LIVE? SORRY, .

I WAS LIKE, I DIDN'T, MY ADDRESS IS 8 5 1 4 COLUMBIA DRIVE, UH, ROULETTE, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 9.

UH, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION, MR. SOUTHERN? YES.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE COURSES ARE 10 WEEKS.

IS THAT MEETING ONE TIME PER WEEK OR, YEAH, CORRECT.

SO YOU, YOUR SCHEDULE THAT WE WERE PROVIDED, UH, YOU COULD HAVE A LOT OF COURSES RUNNING SIMULTANEOUSLY.

YEAH, A LOT OF CLASSES.

I MEAN, IT ESSENTIALLY, YOU CAN HAVE, I MEAN, THEY'RE 40 MINUTES LONG, UM, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE LIKE 10 CLASSES GOING ON THE MOUNTAIN AT ONCE EITHER, THOUGH.

SO, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE ONE CLASS GOING AND THEN HAVE THE NEXT CLASS COME IN KIND OF OVERLAPPING.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GOT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, YOU'D MAYBE HAVE 10 STUDENTS IN THERE AT, AT ONE TIME, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU ESSENTIALLY COULD JUST BE DOING THAT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT'D BE GREAT IF IT'S GONNA BE FULL LIKE THAT ALL DAY, BUT THAT'S HOPEFULLY.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE ALREADY SIX OF THESE FACILITIES OPERATING IN DENVER.

CORRECT.

HOW, UM, UH, HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN OPERATING SO YOU COULD JUDGE SOME OF YOUR, UH, OPERATIONAL NEEDS? UM, THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 10 YEARS, UM, LIKE THEIR FIRST ONE OPENED 10 YEARS AGO.

I MEAN, AND THEN THEY'VE SLOWLY, YOU KNOW, DONE A FEW.

I I, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW LIKE SPECIFICALLY THE, THE TIME, BUT, BUT THE OWNERS ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY INVOLVED, UM, WITH US, YOU KNOW, OPENING THIS ONE AND HELPING, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA COME HERE TO HELP WITH THE TRAINING AND HELP WITH OPENING AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT AS WELL.

UM, LIKE THE BUILD OUT OF THE, OF THE RAMPS AND EVERYTHING IS ACTUALLY DONE BY THEIR CONSTRUCTION GUYS THAT WILL, WILL FLY OUT HERE.

OH.

UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY INVOLVED.

UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE ONLY OPENING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, WE HAVE ONE IN ONE HERE IN DALLAS, AND THEN THERE'S ONE IN CHICAGO AND ONE IN, UM, I THINK DETROIT.

IT'S FOR, FOR THIS YEAR.

THAT'S ALL.

THEY'RE LIKE PLANNING.

SO YOU ARE REALLY PLOWING SOME NEW GROUND WITH THEM OR SOME NEW SNOW .

YEAH, .

YEAH, EXACTLY.

I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GONNA DO REALLY WELL HERE, SO, BUT YEAH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FIRST OF ITS KIND, FOR SURE.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

SO I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU ANSWERED THE ONE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT ARTIFICIAL SNOW OR, UH, REAL SNOW.

UM, SO I, UH, HAVE A COMMENT MORE, WHICH IS, I THINK IT'S A, IT WOULD BE AN EXCITING ADDITION FOR RICHARDSON.

UM, I TOOK MY KIDS SKIING A LOT WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE AN EXCITING ADDITION.

MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT, UH, YOU DON'T GO UPWARDS OF, UH, 10 YEARS OF AGE.

LEARN, OR THEY HAVE A TEENAGER THAT WANTS TO LEARN.

YOU KNOW, SO WELL, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THAT DOWN THE ROAD.

'CAUSE THERE'S THIS COMPANY THAT MAKES A, A SKI MACHINE THAT MIMICS, UM, IT KIND OF CAN ROTATE.

IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S BASICALLY A BIG TREADMILL.

UM, AND THAT COMPANY, THEY'RE MADE IN GERMANY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT IN LIKE MALLS AND STUFF.

YOU'VE SEEN 'EM, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE BASE OF CUSTOMERS TO REALLY HAVE THAT REALLY WORK.

SO THIS BUSINESS COULD ESSENTIALLY CREATE THAT BASE OF CUSTOMERS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU COULD HAVE ONE OF THESE TREADMILLS IN A, IN A LOCATION WHERE PARENTS ARE COMING IN WITH THEIR KIDS.

WELL, MAYBE THE PARENTS WANNA

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THEY COULD GET ON THE TREADMILL THEN, BECAUSE, UM, IT CAN MIMIC IT MORE FOR, FOR ADULTS.

I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A ROAD THAT'S NOT ON THE DOCKET HERE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE YEAH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, .

SO, UM, AND MY, MY QUESTION WAS REALLY, UH, IT GETS BACK TO PARKING A LITTLE BIT AND THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING AND YOUR, YOUR PARTICULAR SPACE.

UM, SO DO YOU ENVISION YOU, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE MANY SPACES AT YOUR FRONT DOOR.

IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD MAYBE FIVE OR SIX.

UM, KIND OF AT THE FRONT.

YOU'VE GOT THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF ARAPAHOE THERE.

UH, SO DO YOU ENVISION MOST OF YOUR CUSTOMERS PARKING THEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING? UM, YEAH.

I WOULD ENVISION, UH, PRETTY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S ONLY THOSE ESSENTIALLY FIVE SPOTS THERE ON THE, ON THE, WHAT IS THAT? THE WEST SIDE.

UM, I, I WOULD ENVISION PRETTY MUCH ALL THE CUSTOMERS WILL PARK ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE THERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN KIND OF WALK ALONG THAT SIDEWALK.

YEP.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT OH YEAH.

PARKING SITUATION.

AND IF IT, MAYBE YOU COULD COME FORWARD AND JUST, UH, TELL US ABOUT THAT.

SURE.

WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

HI GUYS.

UH, MY NAME IS PAT HANAHAN, UH, ADDRESS 9 2 1 8 HEATHERDALE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 3.

UM, SO I LEASE AND MANAGE THE PROPERTY.

I'M ALSO A PARTNER IN THIS PARTICULAR INVESTMENT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IS THIS IS KIND OF THE GATEWAY TO THE IQ.

AND WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2019, IT WAS, UM, IT WAS A BIZARRE DIFFERENT USES.

AND SO AS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CURATE THAT BETWEEN A NICE MIX OF DESTINATION USERS AS WELL AS SOME RETAIL, AND PERHAPS SOME INTER THIS IS COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT.

UM, JUST TO KIND OF DRIVE SOME MORE ACTIVITY.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ROBERTSON TOUCH ON, BUT SHARED WITH US WAS THEIR TRADE AREA OF WHERE THEY PULL FOLKS FROM, GIVEN THIS VERY UNIQUE USE, UM, IS LARGE.

SO WE'LL BE DRIVING MORE TRAFFIC FROM PARK CITIES, PLANO, THINGS LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO THIS BEING A MORE TRANSIENT PASSOVER FLYOVER.

IT'S ALREADY GOT ITS OBSTACLES AS FAR AS KIND OF THE VISIBILITY AND VANTAGE POINTS OF IT.

BUT PEOPLE WHO WOULD'VE NO OTHER REASON PRIOR TO THIS TO COME TO THE CENTER AND THE DISTRICT.

AND SO THAT WAS APPEALING TO US AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC COUNT OR THE KIND OF THE OCCUPANCY COUNT, I GUESS, RATHER WHERE THE OVERLAPPING OF, YOU KNOW, CALL IT 10 CARS, YOU KNOW, FIVE KIDS EMPLOYEES WILL PARK IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THAT, THAT WAS APPEALING TO US BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT FOR WHAT WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE A CURATED MIX OF USES, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE GONE AND DONE SOME OTHER USES THAT ARE VERY, VERY EASY ON PARKING.

MORE PREDOMINANTLY NEW SOUTH WINDOWS IS 16,000 FEET, WHEREAS THEY'RE MORE OF A SHOWROOM AND THEN PREDOMINANTLY DISTRIBUTION.

SO THEY'RE, THEIR UTILIZATION AS OPPOSED TO ALLOCATION OF PARKING IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOW.

SUMMIT ELECTRICAL AS WELL, SAME THING.

UM, YOU KNOW, BIG REGIONAL BRANDS, BUT ALSO ALLOW US TO MAKE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

JARED'S OUR PROPERTY MANAGER AS WELL HERE.

SO THESE ARE ALL REAL PROBLEMS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ARE DEALT WITH.

AND SO GIVEN THIS USE FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT WITH WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA BE ON THE CORNER, COMBINED WITH THE OTHER USES THAT ARE, THAT'S BUILDING TWO, UM, ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

THEY'RE NOT VERY PARKING INTENSIVE.

WE HAVE A SECURE ONSITE S SHREDDING GROUP.

WE HAVE, UM, A GROUP CALLED BLUE RINK STENCILS WHERE THEY BASICALLY MAKE STENCILS FOR, UM, MICROCHIP WAFERS.

I MEAN, JUST SO WE'RE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHILE WE WENT, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ALLOCATION PROVIDED BY THE CITY THAT WE'RE ALSO IN COMPLIANCE FOR MAKING SURE OUR TENANTS AREN'T MAD AT US.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A COOL USE DESTINATION, USE WOULD DRIVE ACTIVITY THROUGH THIS GATEWAY AND, UH, WOULD ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BE FUNCTIONAL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE OATH? YES.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FOR YOU, SIR.

UM, SINCE YOU REPRESENT THE, THE ENTIRE COMPLEX THERE, UM, AND, AND YOU BROUGHT UP BEING SORT OF A GATEWAY TO THE IQ.

IDEALLY? I MEAN, IT'S A PERFECT T O D SITE.

UM, I'M CURIOUS HOW, AND, AND I LIVED NOT VERY FAR FROM HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, SO I'D LIKE, UH, LIKE YOU TO COMMENT, IS THERE, UH, AN ANTICIPATION THAT SOME OF YOUR CLIENTS WOULD GET THERE VIA DART?

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UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BEEN STUDIED AS WELL WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DART LEASE OF THE ACREAGE JUST TO THE EAST.

AND THEN WE, WE COLLECTIVELY ALSO OWN AN ADDITIONAL 10 ACRES JUST ACROSS THE FLYOVER.

I MEAN, WE ARE HEAVILY INVESTED IN THIS DISTRICT.

OH, OKAY.

UM, SO WE OWN THE 1 0 1 EAST ARAPAHO, THE, THE CAR LOT, AS WELL AS, UM, THE CEMETERY AND EVERYTHING SURROUNDING THAT AS WELL.

AND SO THAT'S, THIS IS MORE OF A LONG BURN FOR US, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE WANT, THIS ISN'T JUST A, HEY, LET'S LEASE IT UP.

I MEAN, WE, WE ARE SUPER DELIBERATE IN THE USES THAT WE WILL EVEN ENTERTAIN, UM, TOURING.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THESE GUYS HELPED US WITH, UH, WE GOT APPROVAL FROM THE SIGNAGE CONTROL BOARD FOR A NOOSE MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S GONNA GO OUT THERE ALONG THE SERVICE ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE TALLER AND REALLY KIND OF HAVE SOME TENANT PLACARDS IN THERE THAT'S BEING FABRICATED NOW.

WE GOT OUR APPROVAL ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO.

UM, NEXT STEP, WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT ENGAGED TO DO SOME FACADE STUDIES AS TO HOW WE CAN BASICALLY CHANGE THE, CHANGE THE BUILDINGS FROM NOT BEING A 1972 FLEX INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE, TO BEING THE PROPER KIND OF CORNER AND GATEWAY TO WHAT IT IS SO THAT IT LOOKS BETTER.

I MEAN, IT HAS ITS CHALLENGES ON THE FLYOVER, BUT IF WE CAN LIFT THAT AND ALSO ADD SOME RHYTHM, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS KIND OF PREDATED IN THE PD, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL REALLY DRIVE THESE TYPES OF USES WHERE WE CAN START CHURNING IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S SLOW THE FIRST 60 TO 70%, AND THEN ONCE YOU GET USES LIKE THIS AND FOLKS WHO WOULDN'T COME TO THE PROPERTY ONSITE, AWARE OF THE AREA, THEN WE START BLOCKING IT UP.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY DELIBERATE.

AND AS FAR AS WHAT TENANTS WE RETAINED, WHICH WAS ESSENTIALLY TWO, UM, AND REALLY BEING, YOU KNOW, PRUDENT IN WHO WE'D LET IN THERE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF VACANCY NOW AND WE'RE REALLY JUST WAITING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT FOLKS IN.

AND WE DEFINITELY BELIEVE SHREDDER AND, AND ROBERT ARE THAT, I MEAN, I HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND ANOTHER ONE ON THE WAY, AND SKI SCHOOL'S EXPENSIVE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING COOL THAT THEY COULD BE A PART OF.

ARE THE, UM, DOES THE CENTRAL TRAIL OR OH YEAH, YEAH.

THE OTHER SIDEWALK THAT'S GONNA MEET YOUR NEEDS TO GET PEOPLE FROM TRAIN.

OH YEAH.

SO THE BIKE PATH, THE TRAIN STATION OVER TO YOU, BIKE PATH IS ALREADY IN THE PROCESS.

WE DEDICATED AN EASEMENT TO THEM AS WELL AS WE OWN THE HARD CORNER THERE AT, AT, UH, 1000 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

SO THAT'S ALL COMING INTO CONJUNCTION AT THE SAME TIME.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE REASON WE PUT THE BIKE SHOP ON THE BIKE TRAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE PUTTING A RESTAURANT ON THE HARD CORNER.

WE REPL AND ARE TYING THE WHOLE SITE TOGETHER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY THE CUSP OF THE SPARK AND, AND ADDING ACTIVITY TO IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, JOSH IS A FABULOUS GUY, BUT RESCUE AIR REALLY JUST WASN'T THE, THE FRONT AND CENTER THAT WE WANTED THERE IN THE LONG TERM, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING KIND OF A SLOWER BUT DELIBERATE ROUTE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S DONE RIGHT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A GREAT SHREDDER IN PARTICULAR SINCE THIS IS WHAT THE HEARING'S ABOUT IS, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WOULD ALIGN WITH THAT VISION.

UH, IT'S ENCOURAGING TO SEE THAT, UH, UH, SOMETHING REALLY IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE IQ AND, AND THEN VICE VERSA.

OH, WE'RE ALL IN ON IT.

GOOD.

UH, JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OTHER, UH, SKI SCHOOLS AND FOR MR. LACEY, UH, ARE IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA? UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, SO THE FIRST ONE WILL BE IN RICHARDSON.

IF THIS GETS APPROVED.

YEAH, IF THIS GETS APPROVED.

YEAH, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.

THERE'S, ALL RIGHT.

YEP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WOULD REQUEST THAT ANY ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, EITHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS APPLICATION? UH, NOW'S YOUR TIME, UH, TO COME FORWARD.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS OR COMMENTS? NO.

NO, SIR.

SECOND COMMISSIONER SOUTHERN SECONDS.

UH, SEEING THAT THERE IS NO ONE ELSE HERE, UH, I'D MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, UH, LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION.

UH, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE, UM, UH, TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU LIKE THIS AND, UH, THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

UH, I, I THINK I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU.

AND, UH, UH, SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, ITEM AGENDA, ITEM TWO, UM, AS PRESENTED SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO GOOD

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LUCK ON IT.

[3. Zoning File 23-11 – Special Permit – Boss Nail Academy: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Permit for a nail technician school located within an existing building on a 3.2-acre lot currently zoned LR-M(2) Local Retail, located at 521 W. Campbell Road, on the south side of Campbell Road, east of Nantucket Drive. Property Owner: Genesis Sanchez, representing Prosperity Assets, Ltd. c/o TY Commercial Group. Staff: Derica Peters.]

UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE, UH, IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS ZONING FILE 23 DASH 11.

IT'S SPECIAL PERMIT FOR BOSS NAIL ACADEMY.

MS. PETERS, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL LOCATED IN AN EXISTING BUILDING AT 5 21 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED LOCAL RETAIL TWO.

UH, THE SITE HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AS A COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER.

UH, THE BUILDING, THE SITE HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH A 38,310 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON A 3.2 ACRE SITE.

THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND WEST HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH IS A LINEAR PARK.

AND TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS THE, IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND TO THE SOUTH ARE OFFICE USES.

THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS OCCUPIED WITH TWO RETAIL STORES, AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A HEALTH CLUB MOVING INTO ONE OF THE VACANT RETAIL SPACES.

SO THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO OCCUPY THE REMAINING LEASE SPACE, WHICH IS A 6,261 SQUARE FOOT LEASE SPACE IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE BY BOSS NAIL ACADEMY, UM, HAS DESCRIBED THEIR BUSINESS AS A PROFESSIONAL MANICUR SCHOOL THAT IS ACCREDITED THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATION, AND OFFERS A SPECIALTY LICENSE AFTER 600 HOURS IN THEIR PROGRAM.

CLASSES WILL BE HELD MONDAYS THROUGH SATURDAYS FROM 9:30 AM TO 1:30 PM IN THE MORNINGS.

AND IN THE EVENINGS, CLASSES WILL BE HELD 5:30 PM TO 9:30 PM THE APPLICANTS HAVE STATED THAT THERE WILL BE 15 STUDENTS IN ATTENDANCE DURING THE CLASSES, AND THEY WILL ALSO OFFER SERVICES TO REAL CUSTOMERS AS PART OF THEIR TRAINING.

SO AN ADDITIONAL FIVE CUSTOMERS MAXIMUM WILL BE MAYBE, UH, MAYBE A PRESENT DURING THE MORNING AND EVENING SHIFTS OF RECEIVING SERVICES.

WE HAVE NOT ESTABLISHED A PARKING RATIO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL.

UH, WE ALSO, SINCE THAT IS NOT LISTED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT IS WHY THEY MUST REQUEST A SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, AT ANY LOCATION IN THIS CITY.

SO SINCE THERE IS NO PARKING RATIO, UM, AFTER DISCUSSING WITH STAFF, UH, THE A AND WHAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROPOSED AS FAR AS THE ATTENDANCE RATE OF STUDENTS AND CUSTOMERS AT A GIVEN TIME, A MINIMUM OF 20 PARKING SPACES SHALL BE PROVIDED ON SITE.

THE FLOOR PLAN SHOWN HERE IS EXHIBIT C WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, WHICH SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF THEIR SCHOOL.

THE FRONT, WHICH IS THE TOP OF THE PHOTO HERE, SHOWS A WAITING AREA, AND, UM, THE AREAS WHERE THE STUDENTS WILL TRAIN AND PERFORM SERVICES ON CUSTOMERS.

SO IT WILL LOOK LIKE, UH, NORMAL TRADITIONAL NAIL SALON.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE BACK, THERE ARE CLASSROOMS AND OFFICES SET UP SO THAT STUDENTS WILL RECEIVE DEDICATED TRAINING ON THEORY.

UH, THIS PROPERTY PROVIDES 179 PARKING SPACES WITH THE 20 PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED.

AS PART OF THIS, UH, TO SUPPORT THIS USE, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 20 PARKING SPACES OF SURPLUS LEFTOVER, UH, THAT EXCEED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AVAILABLE.

THIS SITE PHOTO SHOWS THE SUBJECT LEASE SPACE UNDER THE RED ARROWS, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT ON THE PHOTO, YOU SEE THE PROPERTY LINE BISECTING THIS PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

AND FINALLY, SHOULD THE C P C ACCEPT THE REQUEST TONIGHT, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING.

THE PERMIT SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE LEASE SPACE AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.

IT SHALL BE LIMITED TO BOSS NAIL ACADEMY.

A BUILDING PERMIT SHALL BE OBTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND A MINIMUM OF 20 PARKING SPACES SHALL BE PROVIDED ON SITE.

AND FINALLY, WE DID RECEIVE SOME CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST WHO HAVE, THEY HAVE STATED THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, UM, THAT THE SNAIL SCHOOL STUDENTS MAY ENCROACH UPON THEIR PARKING AREAS AND THEIR OWN PROPERTY SINCE THERE'S NO PHYSICAL DELINEATION BETWEEN THE PARKING AREAS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS.

UM, UH, WHY DID YOU DECIDE ON, UM, CALLING THIS A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL VERSUS A PROFESSIONAL MANICURIST SCHOOL? UM, I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US FROM THE APPLICANT.

SO WE WENT, WE WENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE, UM, PRESENTED, UH, BEING THE EXPERTS.

UM, AND IT'S NOT LIMITED TO MANICURES.

THEY GO ON TO DO PEDICURES AS WELL AS WELL.

UM, AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT THERE IS A

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LOT OF TRAINING INVOLVED AND, AND TECHNICAL SKILLS THAT ARE TAUGHT DURING THESE CLASSES.

SO, UM, AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. PETERS? I, NO.

HOPEFULLY, GOD WILLING, RICHARDSON.

UH, AND AGAIN, WE WOULD ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND PRESENT THEIR CASE TO THE COMMISSION.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

HELLO, MY NAME IS HANAN I ABRAHAM, LOCATED AT 2104 R WAY, ROCKWALL, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 7.

AND I AM THE OWNER OF BOSNELL ACADEMY, LOCATED IN WILEY.

UM, BUT, UM, I WILL LET HER INTRODUCE HERSELF.

SHE IS ALSO MY PARTNER.

UM, BETSY.

HELLO, MY NAME IS BETSY JUAREZ.

I AM CURRENTLY LOCATED AT 25 0 5 IN GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS, 7 5 5.

I AM THE DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION FOR BOSTON ACADEMY AND CO-OWNER AS WELL.

GREAT.

WE TECHNICALLY ONLY NEED 15.

SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A FEW MINUTES.

UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US.

UM, I STARTED, I JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I KNOW YOU WERE LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU NAME IT THAT INSTEAD OF A MANICURES SCHOOL? UM, JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT, SO I OWN FOUNDED AND OWNED BOSS BEAUTY MAKEUP ACADEMY.

I HAVE A FEW LOCATIONS IN SAN ANTONIO AND IN DALLAS, UM, IN, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MALL, FROM THE GALLERIA.

AND SO I ACTUALLY BRANCHED OUT INTO JUST, YOU KNOW, NAILS, MANICURES, PEDICURES, ALL THINGS NAILS.

AND SO I KIND OF ALREADY HAVE A REALLY LARGE, YOU KNOW, UM, FOLLOWING.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE SO MANY STUDENTS DOING ALL THINGS BEAUTY, YOU KNOW, HAIR, MAKEUP, ESTHETICIAN, EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT FALLS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF EDUCATION EXCEPT NAILS.

AND SO I'M LIKE, HMM, WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE ARE LITERALLY CHANGING THEIR LIVES EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN THEY WALK IN.

AND IT'S LIKE, THEY LOVE SOMETHING, THEY LIKE IT, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT, OR HOW TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT OR HOW TO MAKE MONEY DOING SOMETHING THEY LOVE.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN.

AND SO I'M LIKE, MAN, WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ASKING ABOUT NAILS, AND IT'S ACTUALLY MY FAVORITE THINGS, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN, BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DIBBLE ENDOW ON THAT.

'CAUSE I'M ACTUALLY A MOTHER OF TWO, UNDER TWO.

I DO HAVE TWO BEAUTIFUL BOYS.

UM, AND SO I KIND OF WAITED ON THAT.

AND SO WE JUST OPENED BOSS NAIL ACADEMY, IF THIS ACTUAL DATE IS DECEMBER 6TH, 2020 22, 2 TH 2022.

AND SO OUR FIRST LOCATION IS IN WILEY, AND IT'S ALL THINGS NAILS.

AND WHEN I TELL YOU WE HAVE A WAITING LIST RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T EVEN ALLOW STUDENTS TO COME IN, ONE, BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY SMALL LOCATION.

BUT TWO, WE HAVE LITERALLY CHANGED THE GAME.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE, OH, I'M FORCED TO GO TO SCHOOL, I HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL, MY MOM, MY DAD, I GOTTA BE SOMEBODY, OR I GOTTA GET A JOB.

I, I GOTTA GET OUTTA THE HOUSE.

THEY HAVE SUCH A NEGATIVE IMAGE ON EDUCATION BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, IT'S BORING.

IT'S LIKE NOT THE, THE WAY TO GO.

AND SO WHERE WE COME IN, AND I LOVE THAT WE'RE CHANGING THAT IT'S EDUCATION IS ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S FUN AND YOU KEEP LEARNING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

LIKE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, WHAT FIELD YOU'RE IN, YOU CAN ALWAYS GROW AND YOU COULD ALWAYS LEARN.

BUT WHY NOT GO TO A SCHOOL THAT POURS INTO YOU AND LITERALLY TAKES YOUR HAND TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE AND GUARANTEE YOUR GRADUATION THROUGH THE STATE TO BECOME LICENSED AND PUSH OUT, YOU KNOW, WELL-EDUCATED, WELL-TRAINED, LICENSED MANICURISTS THAT ARE PERFORMING ON EVERYONE RIGHT NOW.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, SHE DID AMAZING, BUT THE SCHEDULING, YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, WHY WOULD IT BE OPEN SO LATE ON A SATURDAY? SO SCHOOL'S ACTUALLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND IT'S, UH, WE HAVE SEPARATE, IT'S LIKE SEPARATE CLASSES.

SO THE FIRST GROUP IS NINE 30 TO ONE 30, AND THEN THE SECOND GROUP IS FIVE 30 TO 9:30 PM IN BETWEEN THAT TIME, LET'S JUST SAY PEOPLE ARE MAKING UP EXTRA HOURS.

SHE MISSED CLASS YESTERDAY.

SHE NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT UP.

THEY WOULD BE IN CLASS IN THAT IN BETWEEN.

AND THEN SATURDAYS, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO CLASS.

IT'S JUST MAKEUP, MEANING CATCHING UP ON HOURS, YOU KNOW, I NEED EXTRA CREDIT OR, YOU KNOW, I WANNA LEARN THIS.

SO I KNOW THE INSTRUCTORS THERE JUST HELPING ANYONE WHO'S FALLING BEHIND.

AND WE ONLY ONLY TAKE CLIENTS IN ON FRIDAYS, ONLY FRIDAYS.

AND LIKE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE AT FULLY STAFFED, LIKE THE MOST WE'LL HAVE IS LIKE FIVE CLIENTS AT A TIME.

AND EACH ONE'S THERE FOR LIKE, I MEAN, LET'S BE REAL, THEY'RE STUDENT PRACTITIONERS ARE NOT COMING IN AND GOING OUT.

THEY'RE NOT COME, WHOEVER'S COMING IN, THEY'RE COMING IN 'CAUSE THEY LOVE YOU, THEY WANNA SUPPORT YOU.

THEY'RE WILLING TO GET NIPPED.

LIKE IT'S AN EDUCATION, IT'S AN EDUCATION FACILITY.

SO THEY'RE THERE FOR LIKE THREE, FOUR HOURS.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE A NAIL SALON.

I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT I WANNA BE HONEST WITH YOU GUYS.

LIKE, WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN, THEY'RE THERE FOR THREE HOURS, FOUR HOURS, AND IT'S JUST LIKE FIVE PEOPLE AT A TIME.

AND SO I WOULD LOVE THE 20 PARKING SPACES.

LIKE I REALLY WOULD.

BUT I WANNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF THAT HAS ANY DETERMINATION ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING,

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AND THAT'S AT LIKE A SUPER CAP OFF.

LIKE REALISTICALLY, ON A DAY TO DAY, LIKE HIGH PEAK, THERE'S LIKE NO MORE THAN 12 CARS.

AND THAT'S WITH ALL THE EMPLOYEES AND STUDENTS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A BETTER IDEA.

AND SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK BOSS BEAUTY, BOSTON NAIL ACADEMY IS SUCH A GREAT BRANCH OFF FROM, FROM BOSS BEAUTY MAKEUP ACADEMY, AND WE'VE ALREADY HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THEIR ROUTE, LEARN SOMETHING THAT THEY LOVE TO DO, MAKE MONEY EVEN FROM THE COMFORT OF THEIR OWN HOME.

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE LOST THEIR STABILITY.

THEY LOST THEIR JOB.

SO WHEN THEY'RE LIKE, MAN, LIKE IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO GET OUT THERE AND FIND SOMETHING TO DO.

WHAT CAN I DO FROM THE COMFORT OF MY OWN HOME? I'M A SINGLE MOM.

I, I, YOU KNOW, CHILDCARE IS SO EXPENSIVE.

THIS IS WHERE WE COME IN.

WE'RE SO AFFORDABLE, WE HELP MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.

LIKE IF YOU COME TO OUR SCHOOL, WE'RE NOT YOUR AVERAGE SCHOOL WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, 20,000, YOU COULD AFFORD IT, GREAT.

NOT GET OUT.

WE ARE LIKE, HEY, MONEY IS NOT GONNA BE THE REASON WHY YOU ARE NOT A STUDENT HERE.

I'M GOING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND MAKE SURE I HOLD YOUR HAND.

IF YOU COULD AFFORD STARBUCKS, YOU COULD AFFORD CHICK-FIL-A.

I'M GONNA MAKE SURE YOU COULD AFFORD TO BE A STUDENT HERE.

WE'RE GONNA CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

BECAUSE I THINK OUR OUTLOOK, LIKE OUR GOAL IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN JUST HAVING A BUNCH OF STUDENTS AND OH, I JUST WANT THIS PERSON TO COME IN.

LIKE, I WANNA BE A PART OF EVERYONE'S SUCCESS STORY.

LIKE, LEGITIMATELY LIKE, OH, I HAD SUCH A HARD LIFE.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.

I WENT TO BOSTON ACADEMY, AND THEY LITERALLY, MAN, THEY'RE AMAZING.

THEY TAUGHT ME EVERYTHING I NEEDED AND MORE.

AND THEY'RE JUST SUCH AN AMAZING SCHOOL.

AND YOU REALLY LEARN THERE.

IT'S NOT JUST YOU'RE GOING THERE JUST TO OBTAIN A LICENSE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, I CAN'T FIT ANYONE IN THERE.

SO I CAME ACROSS THIS BEAUTIFUL LOCATION IN RICHARDSON, AND MAN, IT'S BEEN SO HARD TRYING TO LIKE, DO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THIS LOVELY, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND I'M JUST LIKE, I KNOW WE WOULD BE SUCH A COMPLIMENTARY BUSINESS TO ONE, THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF.

AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S A NAIL ACADEMY, SO IT'S LIKE REALLY PRETTY YOUNG LITTLE GIRLS.

IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE COMING IN YOUR BUSINESS, IF ANYTHING, THEY'RE COMING TO BUY YOUR BLAH BLAH, THEY'RE COMING TO EAT LUNCH.

LIKE, THEY'RE GONNA COME AND BRING MONEY TO THE SHOPPING CENTER AND FILL IT UP NICELY.

NOT WHERE IT'S LIKE SO OVERCROWDED WHERE EVERYONE'S GONNA WANNA FIGHT US.

I PROMISE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE GOOD FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY SCHOOLS EVERYWHERE AND IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE RICHARDSON, THERE'S COLLEGES THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THERE'S EVERYTHING.

I'M LIKE, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE SUCH AN AMAZING PLACE.

BUT I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS.

SO YOU GUYS WOULD LET ME KNOW.

AND, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

DID YOU, MS. JUAREZ, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO I'M MORE ON THE EDUCATION SIDE, MORE OF THE FRONT END.

SO, UM, ONE THING I DO WANNA POINT OUT, JUST BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE, AND I DO A HUNDRED PERCENT TRUST THAT I AM, WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO IS TURN THE TABLE WITH JUST DOING NAILS.

I AM, SHE CALLS ME THE SANITATION NAZI.

OKAY, I AM, I WILL SEE AND LOOK AND PICK ANYTHING THAT THE STUDENT, I SEE THAT THE STUDENT IS KIND OF NOT FOLLOWING SANITATION RULES.

WHY? BECAUSE THE BEAUTY INDUSTRY, I WILL SAY NAILS HAS OF NOT A GREAT REPUTATION WITH, UM, PASSING INFECTIONS, PASSING DISEASES.

WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN BLINDNESS DUE TO PEDICURES, IF YOU KNOW, JUST TO POINT THAT OUT.

BUT ME, IT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANNA TURN TABLES.

IF YOU GO TO BOSTON ACADEMY AND YOU SAY, ARE THEY CLEAN? ONCE YOU STEP YOUR FOOT INTO THAT SCHOOL, YOU, YOU FEEL, YOU SMELL YOU, IT, IT, IT DOES NOT SMELL LIKE YOUR TRADITIONAL NAIL SALON WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOOR AND YOU'RE JUST BLASTING WITH THAT CHEMICAL AND FUMES AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE AND I PROVIDE THE BEST EDUCATION.

I AM CURRENTLY, UM, A MANICURIST MYSELF.

I NO LONGER DO, I'M NO LONGER IN PRACTICE, BUT I HAVE BEEN A LICENSED MANICURIST FOR OVER 10 YEARS.

SO I JUST WANNA GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY, HAVE SUCCESSFUL INDIVIDUALS NOT JUST FOCUSING ON DOING NAILS, BUT I WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL, KNOW ABOUT THE SANITATION, KNOW THE BOOK, THE LAWS, THE RULES, EVERYTHING THAT WILL MAKE YOU SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL MYSELF.

AND ON THE EDUCATION SIDE, I WILL SAY I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT OUR SUCCESS RATE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AS OF NOW, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT THAT HAS GONE TO TAKE THEIR TEST TO STATE BOARD HAS PASSED AND GOTTEN LICENSED THE FIRST TIME.

SO I AM VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT.

AND I, WE ARE ALSO, I AM ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THIS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UHHUH.

SO WHEN YOU SAY NAILS, YOU'RE TALKING HANDS AND FEET.

A MANICURES JUST FOR THE HANDS AND THE PEDICURES FOR THE FEET? THAT'S CORRECT.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

UM, SO I, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS, I DON'T GO TO THE NAIL SALON, UHHUH ON A REGULAR BASIS OR ANYTHING.

UHHUH , BUT

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AND THOSE ARE JUST NAILS ONLY OR DOES THAT INVOLVE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, TRIMMING YOUR FEET AND ? I'M LOOKING AT GWEN, LIKE SHE MIGHT KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, UH, ARE THERE OTHER, AND BASICALLY IT'S IF YOU'RE ASKING LIKE THE, THE SERVICES PROVIDED OR LIKE WHAT IT ENTAIL? YEAH, YEAH.

THE SERVICES, WHAT YOU'RE TRAINING 'EM.

OH, EXACTLY, YES.

AND EVERYTHING FROM THE PIECE, WHAT THEY'RE LEARNING AND GETTING LICENSE FOR.

SO MANICURES, GEL, MANICURES, ARTIFICIAL ENHANCEMENTS, UM, SILK GRABS, PEDICURES, SPA PEDICURES, ENHANCEMENTS ON THE, ON THE FEET AS WELL.

BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, SANITATION, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S LACKING.

SO, SO MUCH IN THE NAIL INDUSTRY.

SO YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THE, THE TERMINOLOGY THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED BY STAFF ON AS FAR AS A, A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL? SO WE ARE A LICENSED MANICURIST LICENSING FACILITY, SO THAT OUR, OUR TITLE ON OUR LICENSE IS A MANICURIST.

SO WE CARRY A LICENSE THAT'S, WE DO FALL UNDER COSMETOLOGIST, BUT WE HAVE A SPECIALTY LICENSE AND OUR TITLE IS A MANICURIST.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MM-HMM.

IT FALLS UNDER BOTH, JUST LIKE, COSMETOLOGY IS BASICALLY AN UMBRELLA AND UNDER COSMETOLOGY IT'S HAIR, SKIN.

NAILS.

AND SO THIS ONE IS COSMETOLOGY, BUT MANICURIST URIST.

SO IT'S A SEPARATE LICENSE.

I THINK WHERE I GET MIXED UP MM-HMM.

IS WHEN YOU SAY YOU ALSO DO PEDICURES.

YES, YES.

AND MANICURES.

UHHUH, IT'S NOT JUST MANICURES, BUT IT'S ALSO DOES DO PEDICURES FALL UNDER MANICURES? CORRECT.

PET, I GUESS IT ALL FALLS UNDER THE MANICURES.

, IT'S, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S EVERYTHING THAT THE STATE REQUIRES.

EVERYTHING THAT T D L REQUIRES IS WHAT WE HAVE TO TEACH.

IT'S JUST, WE'RE NOT ONLY TEACHING WHAT THAT CURRICULUM HAS, WE'RE TEACHING THAT TIMES 10.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE MAKING SURE EVERYONE'S REALLY LEARNING, PASSING, GETTING THEIR LICENSE THE FIRST TRY.

AND WE'RE VERY BIG AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE PRIDE IN OUR NAME.

AND SO IF YOU'RE OUT THERE PRACTICING UNDER BOSS SALE ACADEMY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AMAZING, THEY'RE CLEAN, THEY'RE SANITARY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

'CAUSE WE ALSO KNOW THAT BAD NEWS TRAVELS FASTER THAN GOOD NEWS.

AND SO WE'RE VERY CAUTIOUS OF, YOU KNOW, COVERING OURSELVES EVERY, IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

MY, MY QUESTION'S REALLY ALMOST MORE FOR STAFF ON THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THIS USE OF, YOU KNOW, APPLYING IT TO FUTURE CASES, UH, THAT MAY HAVE COME BEFORE US IN THE CITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THIS THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY HERE? YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A BECAUSE IT'S AN UNLISTED USE, UH, YOU KINDA HAVE TO COME UP WITH A TERM FOR IT.

SO I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE LICENSED, THEY'RE LICENSING TO THE STATE IS A MANICURIST LICENSE.

A MANICURIST CAN PROVIDE MANICURES AND PEDICURES.

CORRECT.

UM, SO YOU GET INTO A DIFFERENCE OF TERMINOLOGY INTO WHAT THE STATE MIGHT CALL IT AS A LICENSE VERSUS, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, UH, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT FOR A USE.

SO I THINK, I THINK AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED THAT THEY WOULD DO AS PART OF THIS BUSINESS WOULD FALL UNDER THIS SORT OF TERM WE'VE CREATED OF NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL.

I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THAT QUESTION, AND IF, IF WE NEEDED TO.

YEAH, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE MAYBE NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL IS NOT MAYBE AS COMMON AS A MANICURIST SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, AND, AND IT COULD BE THAT, UM, IT COULD BE THAT THE CONDITIONS COULD BE AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, UH, IF RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TONIGHT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT COULD BE FURTHER DEFINED, UM, IN THE CONDITION.

AND MAYBE IT'S A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL THAT YEAH.

UM, PROVIDES THE, YOU KNOW, TRAINING FOR MANICURES LICENSE.

WELL, I'M JUST CURIOUS, AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY I'M NO, NO, NO.

JUST BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, IF YOU ARE KIND OF WONDERING LIKE, HOW DO WE LET THE PE LIKE EVERYONE DRIVING BY KNOW THAT THIS IS A, A, LIKE STUDENTS ARE HERE, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, STUDENT OPERATED BUSINESS.

WE ACTUALLY, BY THE STATE, WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE 10 BLOCK INCH LADDERS THAT SAY STUDENT PRACTITIONERS ACROSS THE WHOLE ENTIRE WINDOW.

SO NO MATTER WHO COMES IN THE BUSINESS, THEN THE FACILITY, THEY KNOW IT'S STUDENT PRACTITIONERS.

LIKE WE HAVE TO BYLAW, HAVE THAT ON THE WINDOW IN ORDER TO BE IN BUSINESS AND PER T D L R GUIDELINES ANYWAYS.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS JUST MORE FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, FROM THE CITY SIDE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT.

THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M, I'M KIND OF FOCUSED.

AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IN THAT REGARD FOR A NAIL SALON OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, HOW DOES THE CITY CHARACTERIZE THAT? SO THEY, THEY ACTUALLY ARE UNDER A DEFINITION.

THE TERM IS CALLED BARBER AND BEAUTY SALON AGAIN.

ZONING ORDINANCES FROM 19 TOTALLY DIFFERENT,

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1956.

SO SOME TERM, SOME TERMS HAVE BEEN UPDATED, SOME TERMS HAVE NOT.

WITHIN THAT DEFINITION IT DISCUSSES SKIN AND NAIL CARE SERVICES.

UM, SO THAT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, A BEAUTY OR BARBER OR BEAUTY SALON, WHICH WOULD MANICURISTS WOULD FALL UNDER IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.

SO IF THEY WERE JUST SERVING CUSTOMERS, THAT WOULD BE, UM, THEY WOULD BE GOING TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THAT WOULD NOT BE COMING TO ZONING FOR THAT.

SO THAT PORTION OF WHAT THEY OFFER IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.

JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN ALSO.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ROBERTS? SO, UM, I GET THE VISION THAT YOU GUYS SHARED WITH US.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, THE QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT, UM, WHERE YOU'RE DRAWING YOUR CUSTOMERS FROM AND THAT, AND I THINK YOU'VE REALLY, UH, KIND OF ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE ONLY, UM, DRAWING CUSTOMERS ON FRIDAYS, I BELIEVE YOU SAID.

RIGHT? SO WE ONLY HAVE, UM, WHEN YOU ASK CUSTOMERS, I WAS LIKE, DO YOU MEAN POTENTIAL STUDENTS OR LIKE CUSTOMERS FOR NAILS? SO, SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ANSWERING FOR A NAIL, UH, TREATMENT OR PEDICURE.

SO LIKE WALK-INS, LIKE WHEN WE OFFER, WHEN OUR STUDENTS OFFER SERVICES? YES.

IT'S LITERALLY FRIDAYS ONLY FROM ONE 30, NO, I'M SORRY, FROM NINE 30 TO ONE 30 AND THEN FROM, UM, FIVE 30 TO NINE 30.

THAT'S IT.

THOSE FOUR, TWO SEPARATE HOURS, I MEAN, TIME BLOCKS ON FRIDAYS.

THAT'S IT.

UM, OKAY.

SO THAT REALLY ANSWERS THE ONE QUESTION I HAD, YOU KIND OF ADDRESSED IT ANYWAY.

UM, BEING A, UH, PARENT OF THREE DAUGHTERS AND HAVING A WIFE , I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

NOT NECESSARILY YOU, BUT GENERALLY IN THAT PARTICULAR PROFESSION.

SO, UM, THANK YOU.

YES, YOU'RE WELCOME.

MR. BEACH.

YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT AND I, I MAY HAVE JUST OVERLOOKED IT, BUT HOW LONG IS YOUR, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE A CLASS AND SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY SIGN UP, ARE THEY THERE 10 WEEKS? RIGHT.

SO WHEN YOU COME INTO REGISTER, EVERYONE'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT LIVES.

SO DEPENDING ON YOUR AVAILABILITY AS A STUDENT, DO YOU WANNA FINISH FASTER OR DO YOU WANNA TAKE YOUR TIME? SO WE HAVE PART-TIME AND WE HAVE FULL-TIME, AND THEN WE HAVE VIRTUAL LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG DISTANCE.

SO, UM, IF YOU WANNA FINISH FAST, LIKE AS FAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN PER T D L R GUIDELINES, YOU'RE GONNA BE DONE IN 15 WEEKS.

15.

IT'S A 15 WEEK PROGRAM.

NOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, PART-TIME WHERE YOU'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR TIME AND KIND OF CRUISE THROUGH 30 WEEKS.

, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, YOU SO MUCH.

UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, SO WE'D ASK THAT.

ANY OTHER, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST? UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SHE WENT TO AVEDA AND THEN SHE ALSO WENT TO PARKER COLLEGE.

HELLO.

UH, MY NAME IS BEN HARGROVE.

UH, MY ADDRESS IS 4 34 MALDEN DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, 7 5 0 8 OH.

UH, SO I ACTUALLY LIVE VERY CLOSE TO YOU GUYS LOCATION.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS BOTH FROM A PERSONAL AND FROM A, UH, PROFESSIONAL.

UH, I REPRESENT, I, I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT, UH, THE FUZZIES TACOS AND THEN, UH, WHERE THE BENEFIT STORE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER STORES AND, AND THAT, BUT THE BENEFIT STORE IS THE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY NEXT TO, UH, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE AT.

UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADDRESS IT FROM PROFESSIONAL.

UH, TO, TO START OFF, UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY EXCITED THAT THAT SPACE IS BEING BACKFILLED, UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S OF COURSE GONNA DRAW MORE PEOPLE TO THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE WAS THE PARKING.

UM, WE JUST WANTED TO KIND, UH, I GUESS FIGURE OUT HOW TO DELINEATE THE PARKING BETWEEN THE TWO.

UM, AND, AND MOST OF THE CONCERN IS ACTUALLY, UH, OUR HEAD END PARKING, UM, IN THE, AT THE BENEFIT STORE AND THE, THE CONTINUING STORES DOWN THE LINE.

UM, WE'RE NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FURTHER OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.

UM, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIRECT ACCESS TO, UH, TO THOSE FOUR STORES THAT ARE LOCATED AT THAT, UH, THAT SPACE.

UM, ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, MY WIFE IS A LICENSED COSMETOLOGIST, UH, HAS A SEPARATE LICENSE, HAS AN ANES, TOLOGIST AND MASSAGE THERAPIST.

UM, SO HAVING A SCHOOL, UH, THERE THAT PROVIDES THOSE SERVICES ACTUALLY I THINK WOULD BE EXCITING FOR MY WIFE.

I REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED TO HER ABOUT IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, BUT SHE WENT TO, SHE WENT TO SCHOOL, UM, JUST LIKE WHAT YOU LADIES ARE PROVIDING.

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UM, I, I THINK IT'S PARKER UNIVERSITY NOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, TO GET HER LICENSING, UH, DONE.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, SHE'S, SHE WOULD APPRECIATE THE, UH, EXCUSE THE TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE SANITATION NAZI THING, SHE IS A, A BIT OF A GERMOPHOBE.

UM, SO THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY EXCITE HER, THAT SOMEBODY IS IN SUPPORT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UM, BUT THAT WAS REALLY OUR ONLY CONCERN.

UH, I REPRESENT COIN AND ASSOCIATES.

UM, I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND LEASING MANAGER, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REALLY OUR ONLY CONCERN IS JUST HOW DO WE DELINEATE SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT HEAD END PARKING.

UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WILL NEED TO POSSIBLY INSTALL SIGNS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REGULATIONS IN RICHARDSON ARE AS FAR AS CROSS PARKING BETWEEN PROPERTIES.

UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME CITIES DO NOT ALLOW RESTRICTION OF CROSS CROSS PARKING.

UM, AND SOME DO.

SO WE'RE JUST, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE OUR ONLY CONCERN, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

SO, YEAH, SO IN TERMS OF CROSS PARKING, UH, UH, WHAT WE LOOK AT FIRST IS LOOK AT EACH SITE ON ITS OWN.

DO THEY MEET CODE REQUIRED PARKING? IF EACH SITE DOES MEET CODE REQUIRED PARKING, WHICH THESE SITES DO, THEN UM, THEN THEY COULD ENTER INTO CROSS PARKING AGREEMENTS IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

UH, AND THEN ALSO IN TERMS OF, UH, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T PARKING WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.

UH, IT CAN BE DONE SOMETIMES THERE'S SIGNAGE, UH, DONE AT THE FRONT OF THE PARKING SPACE AS MANY TIMES IT'S PAINTING, UH, ON THE CURBS.

UH, BUT REALLY IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT IS HANDLED, UH, PRIVATELY.

UH, SO WHETHER OR NOT THEY PLACE SIGNAGE THERE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY PLACE TOWING SIGNS, UH, IN THESE SORT OF, IN THESE SORT OF SHOPPING CENTER SETUPS, THE, THE AVERAGE PERSON GOING IN, THERE'LL HAVE NO IDEA THAT THERE'S A A, A PROPERTY LINE THERE.

SO TYPICALLY SIGNAGE MAY BE THE BEST, UM, MAYBE THE BEST OPTION THERE, ESPECIALLY TO MAYBE SAY, I THINK IT WAS LIFE LIFESAVERS RIGHT THERE.

THE LIFESAVER FOUNDATION.

LIFE LIFESAVERS.

SO YEAH.

AND THEN THE BENEFIT STORE.

SO BENEFIT STORE, LIFESAVER, YOU KNOW, UH, PARKING ONLY.

SOMETHING, UH, TO, TO THAT NATURE WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, WHAT WOULD, UM, WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE TO HANDLE THIS, THIS SORT OF CONCERN.

AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A DIFFERENT OWNER FROM YOU THAN YES, SIR.

WHO OWNS YOUR PROPERTY YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT YOU WORK FOR.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU, IF THE AVERAGE PERSON WAS TO WALK IN FRONT OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, THERE IS LITERALLY ABOUT TWO INCHES BETWEEN THE TWO, THE STRUCTURES.

UM, SO THERE'S NOT, I MEAN, IT REALLY, REALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL ONE BUILDING BEFORE I GOT INTO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND LEASING AND, AND TAKING OVER THIS PROPERTY, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL ONE CENTER.

I REALLY DID.

I DIDN'T UNDERS I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY I GUESS FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, PLATS THERE.

UM, THE ONE THAT, THAT THEY'RE GOING INTO, THE TWO THAT WE OWN, AND THEN THE ONE THAT CONTAINS LIKE, UH, GROWLER AND GUITARS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UM, SO REALLY, I, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IT.

YOU KNOW THAT IT'S TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS.

ARE YOU BEING IMPACTED TODAY, UH, BY CUSTOMERS FROM THIS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES PARKING AND ON AT, AT THIS POINT? NO, WE'RE NOT, BECAUSE THOSE TWO SPACES, THEY'RE BETWEEN, UH, WHERE OUR PROPERTY ENDS AND WHERE THE DOLLAR GENERAL IS.

UM, THEY'RE VACANT, SO THERE'S NO, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PARKING CONCERNS NOW.

THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

TO MY UNDERSTANDING.

I'VE BEEN DOING PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AT THIS, AT THIS LOCATION FOR ABOUT A, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.

UM, SO IT PRECEDED MY TAKING OVER OF THE PROPERTY AS TO WHEN THESE BECAME VACANT.

A CASE LIKE THIS, IF THIS TENANT WERE, LET'S SAY THIS TENANT WERE TO BE A NAIL SALON OR SOME OTHER RETAIL TYPE USE THAT WAS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, UH, THOSE TYPES OF USES MAY ACTUALLY CAUSE MORE OF A CONCERN BECAUSE THOSE ARE PEOPLE COMING THAT ARE NOT, UH, AS AWARE OF THE, THE SPACE AND WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PARK AS SAY, STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AT A TIME.

UM, SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ANY PARKING ISSUES AT THIS POINT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GENERALLY, GENERALLY PEOPLE ARE PARKED DOWN IN FRONT OF THE STORES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ENTER.

UM, SO THEY, THEY'RE TYPICALLY DOWN IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR GENERAL AND THE HALF OFF HALF MR. WALRAVEN.

SO I, AND I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION MORE FOR STAFF.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE EASY FIX AS YOU MARKET, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT NOTIFIES EACH OWNER SLASH TENANT OF, OKAY, THESE ARE THE DEDICATED SPOTS.

I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ONLY A SMALL GAP.

I MEAN, AS LONG AS EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S WHAT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE EASY JUST TO MARK, AM I WRONG? UH, SO MARKING IT IS, IS, IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST OPTION.

NOW IN A, IN

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SO, AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT REALLY CUTS BOTH WAYS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S MAKING SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE TENANT, THE, THE STUDENTS AND, AND THOSE ENTERING THE OTHER VACANT SPACE THERE WHEN IT'S OCCUPIED, KNOW WHERE THEIR PARKING IS AND VICE VERSA.

THE SAME ON ON, UM, ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

PEOPLE GOING TO THE BENEFIT STORE, KNOWING WHERE THEIR PARKING SPACES ARE.

'CAUSE EVEN AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE IN DOLLAR GENERAL, THAT BLACK CAR MAY BE, MAY BE GOING INTO YOUR SITE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

SO REALLY WHAT YOU DO, WHERE YOU WANT TO REALLY, WHERE YOU WANNA PRESERVE THAT HEAD END PARKING.

UM, SO SPECIFICALLY THOSE ANGLED PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN JUST OFF TO THE LEFT, THERE'D BE MORE ANGLED SPACES IN FRONT OF, UH, HIS, HIS PROPERTY IS, THOSE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONES THAT YOU'D WANT TO MARK, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO, UH, PRESERVE FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS.

THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE GO TO FIRST, THE ONES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.

UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ATYPICAL, THIS HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THERE'S MULTIPLE SHOPPING CENTERS WHERE YOU MAY LOOK AT AND SAY, THAT'S ONE SHOPPING CENTER.

WELL, THERE MAY BE THREE SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THAT.

WELL, YEAH.

THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND ACTUALLY IS, UH, KROGER PET SUPPLIES PLUS DRY CLEANER NAIL SALON.

AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DELINEATED AND MARKED.

I GUESS, AND I'M NOT BEING VERY ARTFUL IN MY QUESTION IS THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A FIGHT OVER WHO'S SPOT IS WHO'S, WHEN WE'RE MARKING OR WHEN THEY MARK NO.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, SO NOW THERE COULD, THAT'S CORRECT.

THE, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY THEY CAN GO MARK PRO SPACES ON HIS SITE OR VICE VERSA.

TYPICALLY, WHERE YOU MIGHT SEE THAT IS TENANTS ON THE SAME SPACE.

SO IF, IF HALF OF HALF CAME IN AND STARTED SAYING, HEY, ALL THESE ARE HALF OF HALF SPACES, WELL THEN DOLLAR GENERAL MIGHT SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, NOW YOU'RE, BUT EVEN THEN, THAT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THAT'S REALLY MEANT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HIS TENANT TO GOT IT.

DEAL WITH.

BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, EACH PROPERTY OWNER, HE COULD, YOU KNOW, STARTING HERE, UH, THEY COULD MARK THOSE FOR THOSE TENANTS SPECIFICALLY THERE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, BUT AGAIN, WITH THE, WITH THE NAIL SCHOOL, THEY CAN ALSO TELL THEIR STUDENTS, HEY, THEY'RE COMING FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AT A TIME.

HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE PARKING, HERE'S WHERE WE DON'T WANT YOU TO PARK, SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS WITH ONE ANOTHER.

ANYTHING ELSE? UM, NO, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, I GUESS MAYBE ASK A QUESTION.

UM, THE MARKING OF THE SPACES THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE, THE SEPARATE PROPERTY OWNERS, AM I CORRECT IN THIS? IN A, IN GUESSING AT THAT? YES SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD, YEAH, THERE'S, AND, AND YOU CAN CHECK WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT, IF YOU START DOING MORE THAN JUST PAINTING THE CURBS, THEY CAN LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START PUTTING ACTUAL VERTICAL SIGNAGE UP, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S WITHIN WHATEVER THEIR CODES ALLOW.

SO WE WOULD JUST NEED, IF WE'RE GONNA INSTALL LIKE POLE SIGNS, WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WITHIN CODE AND THAT THAT TYPE THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

I THINK, I THINK OTHER THAN THE RATIOS, IT'S OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF THE C P C OR THE OR STAFF, BUT, UM, I KNOW THE BENEFITS STORE IS A FURNITURE STORE, SO THAT MAY COMPLICATE THINGS A LITTLE BIT OTHER THAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE, UH, RESOLVED BY YOUR MARKING THE, THE SPOTS.

THAT WAS MY COMMENT.

YEAH, I, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, THE CASE.

UM, THE BENEFIT STORE AND THEN LIFESAVERS IS MOSTLY, UH, MOSTLY CLOTHING.

THERE'S SOME KNICKKNACKS, UH, PAINTINGS, UH, GLASSWARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S, IT'S A 5 0 3, UH, OR 5 0 1 C THREE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HELP, UH, MOTHERS AND YOUNG CHILDREN, UH, THAT ARE AT DISADVANTAGED FURNITURE.

THEY DON'T, NO, THEY DON'T .

THEY ACTUALLY, LIKE, THEY'RE LOADING, UH, WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING FURNITURE INTO, UH, THE STORE.

THEY ACTUALLY BRING THAT THROUGH THE BACK.

I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN AS TO HOW THEY GET FURNITURE FROM INSIDE THE STORE TO A CUSTOMER'S VEHICLE OR IF THEY HAVE A DELIVERY SERVICE.

REGULATE THROUGH A SPECIAL PERMIT OR ANY SORT OF OTHER ZONING ACTION.

AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW, THE C B C, AS LONG AS THE RATIOS ARE RIGHT.

BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, UH, IT'S ALL BEING LOADED OUT OF THE FRONT, BUT, YOU KNOW.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YES.

SO AGAIN, BOTH SITES MEET THEIR PARKING CODE.

UM, THEREFORE ANYTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF MARKING SPACES, THAT'S, THAT'S A, A PRIVATE MATTER, NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD, UH, WOULD

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UH, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS, SO I'D ASK THE APPLICANT, YOU DO HAVE CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL AND, UM, CLOSING REMARKS.

HELLO AGAIN, .

UM, OKAY.

SO, HI, BY THE WAY.

WE WOULD LOVE TO SERVICE YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN.

UM, BUT JUST TO TOUCH ON WHAT HE WAS DISCUSSING.

SO WITH THE LOCATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND I AM TALKING ABOUT BOSTON ACADEMY, WE HAVE A LOCATION IN WILEY.

AND OF COURSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES NEXT TO US.

AND SO I, AS A BUSINESS OWNER AND AS A LANDLORD MYSELF, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE THREE SHOPPING CENTERS.

I UNDERSTAND THE FIGHTING WHEN IT COMES WITH, YOU KNOW, TENANTS IN THE PARKING.

I RESPECT IT COMPLETELY.

SO WHAT WE DO, AND WHAT I WOULD 100% DO WITH THIS LOCATION IS THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS RUFFLE ANYONE'S FEATHERS, ESPECIALLY MY NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH EVERY SINGLE STUDENT IN THE FACILITY PARKS IN THE BACK OR SUPER FAR WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE MY LANDLORD TOLD ME, HEY, IF YOU CAN DO ME A FAVOR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING WEEKS AT A TIME, LET'S FREE UP THE COMPLETE FRONT OF YOUR, YOUR PARKING AS WELL, AND EVERYONE ELSE'S PARKING.

SO IF ANYONE COMES INTO ANY BUSINESS, IT'S, IT'S OPEN, IT'S FREE.

SO WE HAVE NEVER, I MEAN, FROM THE DAY WE SIGNED UP UNTIL TODAY, HAVE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OF ANYTHING, AND I COULD GET THESE LETTERS EMAILED TO YOU GUYS, UM, THEY ACTUALLY THANK ME FOR BEING SUCH AN AMAZING TENANT BECAUSE ALL THE STUDENTS THAT WE HAVE, WE LET THEM KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RESPECT ALL THE BUSINESSES AROUND US.

AND WHEN THEY COME, THEY PARK IN THE BACK.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED TO COME IN THE FRONT.

SO LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY THE FREE PARKING IS A POTENTIAL STUDENT.

LET'S JUST SAY SOMEONE'S DRIVING BY AND THEY'RE LIKE, HUH, A NAIL SCHOOL.

LET ME SEE.

IF THEY COME AND PARK REAL QUICK, THEY'RE DOING AN IN AND OUT.

HEY, CAN I HAVE SOME INFORMATION? OR WHAT ARE YOU GUYS, THEY'RE IN FOR 15, 20 MINUTES, THEY'RE OUT.

THERE'S NO ONE PARKED IN THE FRONT.

AND I CAN ENFORCE THAT OUT OF RESPECT.

AND OBVIOUSLY OUT OF, TO ALLEVIATE ANY SITUATIONS.

OF COURSE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO SEPARATE PARKINGS AND INVEST IN THAT AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO NECESSARY.

BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW, IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED, YOU WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US AT ALL.

LIKE, I WILL MAKE IT PRIORITY TO LET NOT ONLY EMPLOYEES 'CAUSE THAT'S A GIVEN.

LIKE NO ONE'S GONNA OCCUPY THIS.

SP THE SPACES, ESPECIALLY NOT AN EMPLOYEE, Y'ALL ARE GONNA PARK AS FAR AS YOU GUYS CAN, AND THAT YOU, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY ENFORCE THAT WITH ALL, YOU KNOW, STUDENTS AND MOVING FORWARD, IF WE DO HAVE TO SEPARATE THE PARKING, I'M DOWN FOR THAT.

BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A ISSUE.

'CAUSE I RESPECT IT.

I GET IT.

I FEEL THAT THE PARKING HAS TO BE VACANT FOR EVERY BUSINESS.

IT, IT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S FAIR.

I GET IT FROM A BUSINESS OWNER STANDPOINT, AND I GET IT FROM A LANDLORD STANDPOINT.

SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, I WILL DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO AS A BUSINESS OWNER.

I'LL MAKE SURE MY STAFF DOES WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, AND WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COHESIVELY WORKING TOGETHER AND IN BUSINESS TOGETHER.

LIKE HE SAID, I THINK IT WOULD BE SO BENEFICIAL FOR THESE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE SHOPPING CENTER AND GO SPEND AT THE RESTAURANT, GO SPEND AT THE BOBA PLACE, GO TO FUZZIES TACOS.

IT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL.

AND LIKE HE SAID, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.

EVERY TIME I DRIVE, I DIE INSIDE.

I'M LIKE, UGH.

WE COULD BE THERE.

I, IT JUST, I COULD SEE IT.

AND I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS CAN TOO, MAYBE.

I HOPE SO.

SO JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT.

SO I'M DONE.

SORRY.

THANK YOU .

ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

UH, I'D MAKE A MOTION.

WE MOVE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, UH, WE GOT A MOTION AND SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, UH, LOOKING FOR A DISCUSSION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO STAFF OR A MOTION? UM, COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, APPROVE ZONING FILE 2311.

ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN BY STAFF.

RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

I'LL SECOND.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTION.

I'M SORRY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UM, IT'S COMMISSIONER WALL, RAVEN, ON THE SECOND RIGHT, UH, TO, UM, APPROVE, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE AS PRESENTED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, SO HOPEFULLY Y'ALL WILL WORK TOGETHER ON THE PARKING SITUATION.

I'M SURE YOU CAN.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S IT, UNLESS WE HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES ON COMMUNITY, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED THEN.