Oct 23, 2023 City Council

THANK YOU, MR. CHU.

THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA GO TO

[3. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 9, 2023 AND OCTOBER 16, 2023 MEETINGS]

ITEM NUMBER THREE.

WE WOULD LIKE, UH, TO READ THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 9TH, 2023 AND OCTOBER SIX, SIXTEEN, TWENTY TWENTY THREE.

EXCUSE ME.

CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.

MR. HUTCHIN RIDER.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PUBLISHED.

TIME WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, VISITORS AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS.

COULD I GET A SECOND, MR. SHAUL? I SECOND IT.

ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS

[4. VISITORS/ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS]

MR. MAGNER, DO YOU HAVE ANY? YES, SIR.

WE HAVE ONE CARD THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE.

IT'S FROM MS. KELLY PRITCHARD OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS.

UH, AND SHE WAS, UH, PROVIDING COMMENT ON A RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH R P D.

UH, I WANT TO ASSURE MS. PRITCHARD THAT THE COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED HER COMMENT CARD.

UM, BEYOND THAT, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY VISITORS AT THIS POINT.

UH, SO WE WILL SEE IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, MAYOR, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE REMOTE CITY COUNCIL MEETING POLICY.

WE'LL GO TO

[5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE REMOTE CITY COUNCIL MEETING POLICY]

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR GREG SWELL, IS GONNA MAKE HIS WAY TO THE PODIUM.

LAST WEEK WE HAD A VERY GOOD, UH, BRIEFING AND, UH, REALLY APPRECIATED THE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION THAT YOU PROVIDED.

UM, A NUMBER OF OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THE CHARTER AND HOW IT WOULD RELATE TO THIS, UH, PARTICULAR POLICY, AND THEN HOW WE MIGHT, UH, HANDLE APPEALS, UH, TO THE MAYOR OR THE PRESIDING OFFICER'S DECISION WITH RESPECT TO, UH, A COUNCILMAN'S REQUEST TO ATTEND MEETINGS REMOTE IN EXCESS OF FOUR MEETINGS.

AND SO GREG'S GONNA RUN THROUGH, UH, THOSE, UH, RESPONSES TO THOSE PARTICULAR INQUIRIES, AND THEN GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, OVERVIEW OF THE, UM, VIDEO CONFERENCE CALL POLICY.

IF, UH, THESE, UH, BULLET POINTS, UH, ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, YOUR DIRECTION AND YOU'D LIKE US TO PROCEED, UH, WE CAN PUT A, UH, RESOLUTION ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR ADOPTION.

SO, GREG, THANKS FOR YOUR GOOD WORK ON THIS TO LAST WEEK.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEFING.

GREAT.

AND VIDEO SIGNAL MUST BE SUFFICIENT QUALITY SO THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AT EACH LOCATION CAN OBSERVE THE DEMEANOR AND HEAR THE VOICE OF THE PERSON PARTICIPATING, UH, IN THE VIDEO CONFERENCE CALL FOR THE OPEN PORTION OF THAT MEETING.

AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO, BRIEF OVERVIEW OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.

JUST ONE MORE LOOK AT STATE LAW, UH, AND WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO HAVE A POLICY LIKE THIS IN PLACE? OF COURSE.

THEN LOOKING AT THE DRAFT POLICY AND THE 15 RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK THAT WAS PROVIDED AT THE LAST MEETING.

BRIEF LOOK AT OUR C CITY CAPABILITIES, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT'LL HAPPEN IN THIS ROOM, A LITTLE BIT ON OF, UH, OUTLOOK ON THE TIMELINE FOR THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, LEADING TO ANY FURTHER FEEDBACK YOU MAY HAVE BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF SUCH POLICY.

SO, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 55 51 0.127 DOES ALLOW FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC MEETINGS REMOTELY BY MEANS OF VIDEO CONFERENCE CALL, PROVIDED THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET.

AND HERE IS A BRIEF LOOK AT WHAT THE MAIN, UH, CONSIDERATIONS ARE WITH THE STATE LAW, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.

NOTICE THE NOTICE SPECIFICALLY MUST SPEC SPECIFY THE LOCATION AS BEING THE PLACE WHERE THE QUORUM OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY WILL BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT.

THAT QUORUM OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY MUST BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THE MEETING LOCATION, UH, THAT IS NOTICED IN THE MEETING IN THE PRIOR.

EACH PORTION OF THE MEETING HELD BY VIDEO CONFERENCE CALL SHALL BE VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

THE AUDIO

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AND A MEMBER OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY WHO PARTICIPATES IN A MEETING BY VIDEO CONFERENCE CALL SHALL BE CONSIDERED ABSENT FROM ANY PORTION OF THE MEETING DURING WHICH THEIR AUDIO OR VIDEO COMMUNICATION, UH, WITH THAT MEMBER IS LOST OR DISCONNECTED.

SO NOW WE GET INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED AT THE LAST MEETING.

WE HAVE 15 OF THEM.

I'LL GO THROUGH THEM.

ONE, UH, ONE AT A TIME.

CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT INVOLVE REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY ONE OR MORE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THROUGH VIDEO CONFERENCE CALL SHALL BE CONDUCTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

THIS IS JUST A REQUIREMENT, AND SO WE HAVE THAT BULLET APPOINTED FOR THE POLICY REQUEST BY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR REMOTE PARTICIPATION SHALL BE MADE TO THE CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE 72 HOUR POSTING DEADLINE FOR THE APPLICABLE MEETING, OR AS SOON AS PRACTICAL.

UH, NOW, AS SOON AS PRACTICAL, WE PREFER THE 72 HOUR NOTICE IN ORDER TO ALLOW US TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE MEETING.

UH, BUT AS YOU'LL SEE BY THE, UH, THE NEXT SECTION HERE, IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE MANDATORY UPON ADOPTION OF THIS POLICY, THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT WILL BE PLACED ON ALL COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA POSTINGS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 0.127.

ONE OR MORE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING BY VIDEO CONFERENCE CALL.

A QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE PRESENT AT THE PHYSICAL LOCATION OF THE MEETING.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE CATCHALL.

IF FOR SOME REASON THAT 72 HOUR MEETING DEADLINE, UH, OF THE NOTICE THAT IS MADE IS NOT MET FOR THE NOTIFICATION BY THE PERSON WHO'S REMOTELY ATTENDING, THEN THIS HELPS US TO ALLEVIATE THAT NECESSITY.

BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE AS MUCH NOTICE AS POSSIBLE, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT 72 HOURS IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE AS WELL.

NUMBER THREE, REMOTE PARTICIPATION SHALL BE LIMITED TO MEETINGS HELD IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.

REASON FOR THAT BEING, AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR HERE, UH, IN A MOMENT, THAT SOME OF THE, THE INVESTMENTS THAT'LL BE MADE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THIS ROOM TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS OCCUR ACCORDING TO LAW, IS IT WILL ONLY BE THIS ROOM THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY INSTALLED.

AND SO THAT, THAT IS WHY WE, UH, HAVE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO BUILD THAT INTO THIS POLICY.

REMOTE PARTICIPATION SHALL BE LIMITED FOR UP TO TWO MEMBERS PER CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO MEET THE CHARTER QUORUM REQUIREMENTS.

CITY CHARTER STATES THAT THE QUORUM OF THIS BODY IS FIVE MEMBERS.

AND SO, GOING BACK TO STATE LAW, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE QUORUM IS AVAILABLE IN THIS LOCATION FOR THE MEETING TO OCCUR.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE UP TO TWO MEMBER LIMIT FOR THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION IN THE MEETINGS.

REMOTE PARTICIPATION SHALL BE PROVIDED ON A FIRST COME, FIRST COME FIRST SERVED BASIS.

COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY REMOTELY ATTEND A CITY COUNCIL MEETING UP TO FOUR TIMES FOR EACH TWO YEAR TERM.

AGAIN, THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR DISCUSSION OF THE LAST MEETING TO HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF FOUR PER TERM.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE'VE OUTLINED AS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR POLICY.

REMOTE PARTICIPATION IN THE COUNCIL MEETING SHALL BE ALLOWED FOR GOOD CAUSE.

AGAIN, THIS GETS BACK TO YOUR DISCUSSION ON WHAT IS GOOD CAUSE.

AND SO THE FOLLOWING DEFINITION IS OFFERED FOR GOOD CAUSE MORE THAN JUST A MERE INCONVENIENCE OR A PREFERENCE.

IT SHOULD BE A COMPELLING REASON.

SOME EXAMPLES OF SITUATIONS, AND AGAIN, THIS, THIS WAS PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION, UH, FOR GOOD CAUSE WOULD BE SUDDEN ILLNESS OR HOSPITALIZATION CONFLICT RELATED TO EMPLOYMENT AND CONFLICT RELATED TO PLANNED TRAVEL.

NUMBER NINE, ADDITIONAL REMOTE MEETING REQUESTS BY A COUNCIL MEMBER MAY BE MADE TO THE MAYOR OR PRESIDING OFFICER FOR A GOOD CAUSE AS DEFINED HEREIN.

IF DENIED THE COUNCIL, UH, THE REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER MAY APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE FULL COUNSEL.

AGAIN, BACK TO YOUR DISCUSSION ON WHAT IS A PROCESS, UH, THAT COULD BE MADE IF, IF, UH, THAT THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED.

AND SO AN APPEAL FOR REMOTE ATTENDANCE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE COUNSEL WOULD BE PLACED ON A FIRST, OR ON THE FIRST LEGALLY AVAILABLE AGENDA POSTING.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, BACK TO THE 72 HOURS, IF THE PRIOR TO 72 HOURS IS MET, THEN IT COULD BE AS SOON AS THAT VERY NEXT MEETING.

HOWEVER, IF THAT REQUEST COMES AND IS DENIED FOR WHATEVER REASON, BETWEEN IN THAT WINDOW OF, OF THE 72 HOURS OVER THE WEEKEND, UH, THEN, THEN THAT DISCUSSION CANNOT BE PLACED ON COUNCIL'S AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.

SO IT HAD TO OCCUR DURING THE NEXT MEETING.

THE MAYOR PRESIDING OFFICER MUST BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT WHERE THE QUORUM OF THE MEETING IS LOCATED.

THIS AGAIN, GOES BACK TO YOUR DISCUSSION, UH, IS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY BASICALLY TO CONDUCT THE MEETING AS EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE.

SINCE YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT A CONNECTION WILL ALWAYS BE IN PLACE.

UH, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD DECIDED AMONGST YOURSELVES TO HAVE WITHIN YOUR CITY.

POLICY NUMBER 11, MEMBERS DESIRING TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND CONNECTIVITY TO MAKE AND CONTINUE THE CONNECTION DURING THE MEETING.

UH, THIS BEING THE THE REASON FOR THIS BEING THAT CITY STAFF CAN'T BE ON WHEREVER THE, THE OTHER END OF THIS MEETING WOULD BE TAKING PLACE.

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SO THAT WOULD FALL UPON YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CONNECTIVITY AND THE EQUIPMENT NECESSARY FOR IT WOULD BE IN PLACE.

THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOT BE PAUSED OR ADJOURNED DUE TO TECHNICAL OR TECHNOLOGY ISSUES HINDERING OR PREVENTING PARTICIPATION OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY.

UH, AGAIN, MEMBER STATE LAW WILL SAY THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDING IS JUST, UH, CONSIDERED ABSENT DURING THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING.

DURING ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION OR CLOSE THE MEETING, THE COUNCIL MEMBER MEMBERS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY BY MEANS OF VIDEO CONFERENCE MUST SAFELY PROHIBIT ALL AUDIO AND VIDEO COMMUNICATION FROM BEING SEEN, HEARD, OR RECORDED BY THIRD PARTY.

AGAIN, JUST GETTING TO THE PURPOSE OF HAVING YOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION, ONLY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO REMOTELY ATTEND MEETINGS.

THE MAYOR, PRESIDING OFFICER MAY ALLOW STAFF TO ATTEND REMOTELY FOR A GOOD CAUSE AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY MANAGER.

THIS ALLOWS A PROCESS IN ORDER FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO CONVEY THAT TO THE MAYOR, PRESIDING OFFICER, UH, THE REQUEST IF FOR SOME REASON, TO CONDUCT TO YOUR MEETING, UH, AND, AND THE NECESSARY FEEDBACK DURING IT, UH, THIS ALLOWS THE PROCESS FOR THAT TO OCCUR.

UH, MEMBERS, FINAL MEMBERS OF BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES MAY NOT PARTICIPATE REMOTELY OR BY VIDEO CONFERENCE IN MEETINGS OF THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE RESPECTIVE BODY COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE ONLY MEETING ROOM THAT IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED TO MEET STATE LAW.

YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEET IN OTHER LOCATIONS.

THEY'RE ALSO NOT PROVIDED THE SAME LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY THAT ALL OF YOU ARE.

UH, AND SO WE'VE BUILT OUT THAT IS, UH, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING.

AS, UH, AS AN ELEMENT TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE POLICY, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE CITY CAPABILITIES, SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS POLICY, UH, AS OUTLINED OR WHENEVER THE THAT TIME MAY COME, COULD THIS COUNCIL CHAMBER WILL BE DESIGNED TO MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS? AGAIN, WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IS THERE'LL BE TWO BIG SCREEN MONITORS, ESSENTIALLY THAT ONE THAT WILL, UH, BE BROUGHT IN AND FACED TOWARDS YOU.

UH, AGAIN, TO MEET STATE LAW REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CAN SEE THE FACE DEMEANOR OF THE PERSON WHO'S SPEAKING, AS WELL AS HEAR THEM.

AND THEN THE SECONDARY MONITOR WILL BE HEAR FACING TOWARDS THE AUDIENCE.

UH, AGAIN, TO ALLOW THE SAME, UH, SAME PARTICIPATION.

INSTALLATION WILL BE DETERMINED BASED ON EQUIPMENT AVAILABILITY.

WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND IS NOT ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT NECESSARY.

THE, THE COMPONENTS OF IT FOR OBVIOUSLY BIG SCREEN TV, GETTING SIGNAL, VIDEO CONFERENCING, ZOOM, IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON USING THAT COMPONENT'S THE EASY PART.

THE OTHER COMPONENT OF THIS IS WE DO BROADCAST THIS MEETING ON OUR CABLE CHANNEL, AND WE DO NOT, UH, WE FOUND THAT THE AVAILABILITY OF A CRITICAL PIECE TO MAKE THAT PART OF IT WORK IS NOT YET, YET AVAILABLE.

AND SO SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD, THEN WE WILL PUT THOSE ORDERS IN.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE, WE'RE JUST WAITING AND SEEING HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THAT EQUIPMENT, UH, IN TO BE INSTALLED.

SO ONCE THAT HAPPENS, UH, AGAIN UPON APPRO, UH, UPON POLICY APPROVAL, THEN WE WOULD MAKE NOTIFICATION TO YOU PROVIDED THAT THE CHAMBER INSTALLATION IS COMPLETE.

AND FROM THERE WE GO ON TO YOUR DISCUSSION.

GREG, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND APPRECIATE YOU HITTING ALL THOSE POINTS.

I THINK YOU CAPTURED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.

COUNSEL, ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE COMMENTS? MR. BARRIOS? I THINK YOU'RE FIRST, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, I, UM, SO UNDER 12, UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOT BE PAUSED OR ADJOURNED.

UM, WHAT HAPPENED AT, I MEAN, HAVE, AND I KNOW I WAS NOT HERE LAST WEEK, I WAS FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER, SO I APOLOGIZE, UM, THAT I WAS NOT PART OF IT, BUT I'M GLAD THIS IS BEFORE US AGAIN.

I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHIME IN AND, AND SHARE.

UM, WHAT HAPPENS THAT SAY A COUNCIL MEMBER IS JOINING REMOTELY AND THEY LOSE CONNECTION.

ARE THEY, ARE WE ALLOWING THEM TO REJOIN AT THAT POINT? HAVE THEY LEFT AN OPEN MEETING AND NO LONGER PART OF THE CONVERSATION? SO, AND FOR STATE LAW, IT SAYS ANY PORTION OF THE MEETING THAT THAT CONNECTION IS LOST THE COUNT THAT PARTICIPATING MEMBER IS CONSIDERED ABSENT.

NOW, DURING THAT INTERIM, WHILE THE PARTICIPATING MEMBER WOULD BE TRYING, YOU KNOW, PRESUMABLY TO GET THEIR TECH, GET THEIR CONNECTION BACK, IF IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK, THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, YOU CAN BE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED BACK IN THE MEETING.

BUT TO STATE LAW, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF THE CONNECTION IS LOST FOR ANY PORTION OF THE MEETING, THAT THAT CONNECTION'S GONE, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MUST BE CONSIDERED ABSENT.

SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE THE SAME SITUA THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED ABSENT, THE SAME AS IF SOMEONE HAD TO GET UP IN A MEETING WHEN THEY WERE PHYSICALLY PRESENT TO TAKE CARE OF SOME BUSINESS AND THEN RETURN.

SO IF, IF WE HAD TO GET UP, IF WE LOST CONNECTION AND REJOINED, WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO TAKE PART OF THAT VOTE OR, UH, YOU CAN PARTICIPATE WHEN YOU'RE CONNECTED? ABSOLUTELY, YES.

AND, YOU KNOW, TAKES CARE OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? UM, DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION, CAMERAS ARE SHUT.

UM, HOW WOULD THIS WORK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER BULLET POINT 13? SO I KNOW, LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF OUR MIC GOES DEAD OR SOME, GREG, YOU OR ABRAHAM OR SOMEBODY USUALLY RUNS OUT AND HELPS US

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WE KICK EVERYBODY OUT, UM, IN ORDER TO HANDLE WHATEVER WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT NIGHT.

LET'S SAY ME, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, LET'S SAY I'M, I'M REMOTE AND I LOSE CONNECTION DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WHAT, I GUESS I'M LOST.

'CAUSE YOU ALL CAN'T BE AROUND DURING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, CORRECT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU GUYS STICK AROUND FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THIS WILL STILL, SO FOR THE PORTIONS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A REMOTE MEETING OCCURRING YEAH.

AND WE KNOW THERE'S EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I'LL KEEP STAFF, WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY BACK HERE.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO UNDER, WE WON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.

WE WON'T EVEN KNOW THERE'S AN OUTAGE.

WE WOULD DEPEND ON SOMEBODY TO WALK BACK AND SAY HELLO IF, IF THERE WAS A, A DECISION TO PAUSE THE MEETING FOR THAT, FOR THAT PURPOSE.

UM, 'CAUSE DURING THAT IT'S CONSIDERED ABSENT.

BUT IF THERE WAS A DECISION TO PAUSE AND WAIT TO SEE, UH, THEN WE WOULD HAVE STAFF ON, ON HAND TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ON THIS END OR TO HELP TALK OVER THE PHONE, I GUESS WE COULD TRY TO, TO CONSIDER THAT OR, OR TO ASSIST WITH THAT.

YEAH, I JUST, I GUESS I JUST, BEFORE WE, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WOULD FIT IN DON OR GREG, AS FAR AS, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE COUNCIL WERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND SOMEBODY LOSING CONNECTIVITY, WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS THERE.

JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE COUNCIL, OR I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, SPEAK, WE EXPECT YOU GUYS TO REMAIN AROUND THE, THE ENTIRE TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL, I'LL BE HONEST, I I DON'T KNOW WHERE Y'ALL GO USUALLY DURING THE EXEC SESSION 'CAUSE WE'RE IN HERE TALKING.

BUT, UM, I GUESS WANTING TO KEEP THAT, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHATEVER WE'RE DOING NOW ON THEIR END VERSUS CREATING YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, THEY WOULD, WE WOULD APPROACH IT THE SAME WAY.

UH, WE APPROACH IT WHEN, UM, WE HAVE TO COME BACK ON AND, UH, THE COUNCIL TAKES AN ACTION AFTER AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THE COMMUNICATION STAFF WILL WAIT REMOTELY IN THEIR, UM, OFFICES OR IN THE PRODUCTION ROOM.

AND WHEN WE GO BACK ON CAMERA, THEY ACTIVATE.

BUT AGAIN, RECALL IF, IF WE'RE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THE REMOTE COUNCIL MEMBER LOSES, UH, CONNECTIVITY, THAT'S REALLY ON THEIR END, WE WILL CONTINUE THE MEETING.

UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT OUR COMMUNICATION STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO DO ABOUT THAT.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A TECHNICAL ISSUE ON OUR END THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD SIMPLY, UM, RECESS THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IF IT, IF THE TECHNICAL ISSUE WAS ON OUR END, WE WOULD RECESS THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION, HAVE THE COMMUNICATION STAFF COME IN, DEAL WITH THAT TECHNICAL ISSUE, AND THEN GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BUT IF THE, UM, ISSUE IS ON THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THAT'S AT, UH, COMING IN REMOTELY, WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD JUST GO ON JUST LIKE WE WOULD IN A REGULAR MEETING.

ONE LAST QUESTION, DON, THIS I GUESS IS PROBABLY TOWARDS YOU, AND YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY COVERED IT, SO EXCUSE ME IF I DON'T REMEMBER, UH, THE ANSWER TO THIS.

ONCE WE GET PAST THIS OR THE COUNCIL DECIDES, YES, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS DONE BY, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVELY? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT GOES OPEN FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND SOMETHING WHERE THE, THE, THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR INPUT? UM, AND THE REASON I ASK THIS, JUST 'CAUSE I THINK ESPECIALLY I'M NOT THE IDEA, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF, HEY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS US AND MAKE DECISIONS SOLELY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO WE SERVE ARE ELECTED TO SERVE WITHOUT GETTING THEIR INPUT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

RIGHT? WELL, THIS IS A PROCEDURAL MATTER.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER RULES OF ORDER YOU WOULD MANAGE YOUR MEETING BY.

SO YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED IN ANY WAY TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM TAKING PUBLIC INPUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.

I, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT IF THAT'S WHERE WE DO GO, THAT WE AT LEAST ONE TIME GIVE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT BEFORE WE MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

JUST TO REMAIN ABOVE PAR AND GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, I THINK WHAT WE MAY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.

WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST ARGUE IT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA TWICE AND WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A VISITOR SECTION FOR THAT EXACT PURPOSE.

SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I'LL DEFER TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, BUT I, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON AN ORDINANCE POTENTIALLY MM-HMM.

, THAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK NOW WE'RE POSTING IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.

I MEAN THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF RIGHT.

WE CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR IF WE REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I WOULD STRAIGHT, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT PIECE OF IT, BUT MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK MAYBE IT'S, IT'S, I WOULD SAY IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO MAYBE PROMOTE IT TO THE RESIDENTS AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THIS AND HAVE THEM COME TALK DURING A VISITOR SECTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IF WE, IF THIS WAS ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA OR AS AN ACTION ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA NEXT WEEK OR THE FOLLOWING WEEK, FOR INSTANCE, WE, IN THE, UH, OUTREACH THAT WE DO IN THE WEEKEND REVIEW, UM, WE COULD, WE COULD DEFINITELY PROMOTE IF ANYONE HAD

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A FEEDBACK, THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT THEY COULD DO THAT DURING THE VISITORS SECTION OF THE MEETING.

THANK YOU, MR. HUTCHEN RUNNER.

JUST ONE PROCEDURAL QUESTION ON THIS.

IF, IF YOU GO TO NUMBER NINE FOR JUST ONE MOMENT, I GUESS THE CONCERN I HAVE HERE IS THAT IF, IF I BECAME ILL AND I, YOU KNOW, TURNED INTO TO DON AND BOB THAT I WANTED, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO, TO CALL IN OR TO REMOTE IN, IT'S A, AND THEY DENIED IT OR THE MAYOR DENIED IT, THEN FUNCTIONALLY I'M LOCKED OUT FROM THAT MEETING BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T, THERE THERE'S NO WAY TO, YOU COULDN'T BE IN THE MEETING 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN DENIED.

AND THE FIRST APPEAL OPPORTUNITY IS THAT, OOPS, IS THAT MEETING? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, I MEAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, FUNCTIONALLY IT JUST MAKES IT RIGHT AWKWARD, IF YOU WILL.

YES, SIR.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, I DON'T KNOW IF I, THERE MAY NOT BE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, WHICH I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, BUT IT JUST SEEMED TO ME TO BE A LITTLE AWKWARD IF THAT'S A BYPRODUCT OF THE FACT THAT THE ACTION WOULD HAVE TO BE POSTED ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA.

SO THE ONLY TIME THAT THIS WOULD COME INTO PLAY IS IF, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BECAME ILL SUBSEQUENT TO US MAKING THE OFFICIAL POSTING ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON AT 4 45 OR FIVE O'CLOCK, AND THEN THE MAYOR WOULD DENY THEIR PARTICIPATION.

SO ANY OTHER TIME WE WOULD HAVE THE, WE WOULD HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ADD THAT AGENDA ITEM TO THE COUNCIL AGENDA BECAUSE WE'D HAVE 72 HOURS OR MORE, WE COULD COMPLY WITH THE STATE LAW.

THIS IS, WE, WE COULD TAKE THIS UP TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THREE O'CLOCK ON THE SAME DAY IF THE STATE LAW WOULD PROVIDE FOR THAT, BUT FOR IT TO BE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHERE THE COUNCIL WOULD BE CONSIDERING THE MAYOR'S DECISION AND THEN RULING, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER CONFIRMING OR, OR OVERTURNING THAT ORDER THE PRESIDING OFFICER.

OTHERWISE, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO POST IT FOR THAT 72 HOURS.

I, I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY, BUT EVEN IF IT'S POSTED THAT COUNCIL PERSON COULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT MEETING, THAT'S MY POINT.

WELL, YOU COULD ORDER IT ON THE AGENDA OR MAYBE IT'S THE FIRST, IT WOULD BE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE THAT BE THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

THAT WAY IF THE MAYOR'S DECISION WAS SAFE REVERSE, FOR INSTANCE, THE COUNCIL PERSON FOR THAT POINT ON COULD PARTICIPATE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE, UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS.

ONE IS I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THAT WE DO WE HAVE TO USE LIKE, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW CERTAIN SOFTWARE TO BE, TO JOIN THE MEETING OR I UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS, UH, OPEN MEETINGS, UH, IT MIGHT BE MICROSOFT TEAM OR SIM SOME OTHER THING THAT, THAT THE SYSTEM WILL BE CONNECTING EACH OTHER.

UH, BUT IF IT IS AN EXECUTIVE MEETING THAT INSIDE, IF THE COMMUNICATION GOT LOST THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR, UH, YOU KNOW, MEDIUM, THE MICROSOFT TEAM OR ZOOM, WHATEVER, THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TWO SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING, UH, BUT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WILL NEED SOME TECHNICAL SUPPORT FROM HERE.

MM-HMM.

, SINCE THAT TECHNICAL SUPPORT IS NOT HERE.

SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER COULD JOIN THROUGH, UH, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, WAY LIKE FACETIME, UH, WOULD THAT ALLOW, OR NO, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW STRICTLY THAT SYSTEM.

SO WE'LL BE USING ONE, UH, WE'RE PLANNING ON USING ZOOM AND OUR EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE INSTALLING WILL BE SENT MEANT FOR THAT.

UH, IF YOU WERE, LET'S SAY IN YOUR EXAMPLE THAT THAT SIGNAL WERE TO BE LOST FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT HERE READY WITH THE WHATEVER OTHER SOFTWARE THAT THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD IT ON YOUR END AND FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN GET THAT TO WORK, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT INSTALLED HERE.

UH, AND SO IF YOU GO BACK AGAIN TO STATE LAW, IT SAYS THAT ON THE SCREEN, EVERYBODY HERE, EVEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION, EVERYBODY HERE PARTICIPATING IN THAT MEETING WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PERSON THAT'S THAT'S TAKING PART, SEE THEIR FACE, AND THEN OF COURSE HEAR THEM.

SO WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT PERSON ABSENT.

IF THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE USING FOR WHATEVER REASON, COULDN'T WORK ON THE OTHER END, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, TO JUST SINK IN SOMETHING ELSE.

BECAUSE BEHIND THIS WALL THERE'S SOME EQUIPMENT AND IT'LL BE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PROGRAM THAT BE USING.

YOU, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE APP, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, BECOMES DYSFUNCTIONAL ABOUT THE APP, BUT I MEAN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY TO TEST THAT AHEAD OF TIME.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE DO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE WHATEVER IS INSTALLED MM-HMM.

THAT HARDWARE SOFTWARE NEED TO BE YEAH, THE, THE APP WILL BE INSTALLED ON YOUR CITY ISSUED.

I'VE HAD THE, THE, IT'S PROBABLY A 99% CHANCE THAT IF SOMEONE GETS DISCONNECTED, IT'S GONNA BE THE INTERNET CONNECTION, NOT THE APP.

BECAUSE ONCE

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IT'S THE CONNECTION THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE THE FAIL POINT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

I THINK THIS IS, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T TRY TO SCRATCH OUR HEAD AND FIND SOME ALTERNATE WAY.

UH, NOW SECOND QUESTION, THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR THAT YOU HAVE, UH, THAT ONLY UP TO TWO MEMBERS PER CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THERE IS, UH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

BUT THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, YOU ADDED SOMETHING THIS TIME THAT THIS IS TO MEET CHARTER KORUM REQUIREMENTS.

SO I PROBABLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THING KORUM TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER SCENARIO.

SO MAYBE TWO PERSON DECIDED TO GO ON SOMETHING EMERGENCY HAPPENED, SO THEY REQUESTED TO JOIN REMOTELY.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE TWO PERSON MM-HMM.

NOW YOU ARE EXPECTING THAT THE FIVE WILL JOIN MM-HMM.

NOW THIS IS EXPECTED IF SOMETHING HAPPEN, A FIFTH ONE OR A THIRD PORTION THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED LAST MOMENT, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON MONDAY, AND HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO JOIN THAT DAY.

MM-HMM.

SO WE'LL HAVE FOREPERSON MM-HMM.

HERE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE DEFINITION HAS ANY IMPACT ON THIS SITUATION? WE WILL HAVE TO CANCEL THE MEETING.

SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PRESENT, BUT, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVEN THE REMOTE.

EVEN IF THREE PEOPLE, WE ALL PHYSICALLY PLANNED TO ATTEND AND THEN COULDN'T ATTEND, WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE OF YOU HERE PHYSICALLY TO HAVE A MEETING OF ANY KIND, NOTWITHSTANDING THE REMOTENESS.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, SO I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE 2% ALLOWED MM-HMM.

NOT TO TAKE MULTIPLE PERSON VACATION SAME TIME MM-HMM.

SO JUST, JUST WANTED TO PLAY THAT SCENARIO.

YEAH, NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE FIVE, UM, INTENDING TO, TO ATTEND PHYSICALLY, AND THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM YOU HAVE TO HAVE.

IF ONE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING UNEXPECTED DOES HAPPEN, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THE OTHER TWO ARE REMOTING IN, YOU STILL CAN'T HAVE THE MEETING.

SO THOSE REMOTE, WHOEVER IS REMOTE, THEY ARE NOT COUNTED AS QUORUM.

MM-HMM.

, UH, THERE IT HAS TO BE PHYSICALLY IT COULD BE VOTE, BUT NOT KORUM, THEIR VOTE COUNT.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MEET.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT TECHNICALLY, LIKE THE, THE REMOTE, YOU KNOW, ATTENDING REMOTELY THAT WILL GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO VOTE YES OR NO OR WHATEVER MM-HMM.

, BUT IT DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE QURAN.

THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

GOTCHA.

THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS.

UM, I JUST, AGAIN, I I WORRY HOW IT MIGHT BE USED BY, BY FUTURE COUNCILS.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

JUST WANNA ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UH, I KNOW LAST WEEK WHEN I WAS OUT UNDER THE WEATHER, I, I WAS AT HOME AND I WAS REALLY TRYING TO MAKE IT AND WAS REALLY HOPING THAT, UM, MY MEDS WOULD KICK IN IN TIME SO I COULD MAKE THE MEETING BECAUSE NOT BEING A PART OF THE CONVERSATION, WE, WE ALL, YOU KNOW, ENTERED IN, UH, RAN SO THAT WE COULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT THE TABLE.

RIGHT.

AND, UM, THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I WORRIED, OH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE MY CONSTITUENTS GONNA THINK? HOW AM I GONNA, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN I SHARE MY CONSTITUENTS VOICE IF I'M NOT THERE THAT DAY AND SEEING THIS? AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE HEART BEHIND FIND THIS, THIS, UM, THIS DECISION AND THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT.

'CAUSE ALTHOUGH IT BOTHERED ME NOT BEING HERE LAST WEEK, AND IT BOTHERED NOT HAVING MY CONSTITUENTS VOICE OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, UH, BEING HERE TO PART BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, I ALSO FELT LIKE, I THINK THERE'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF BEING THERE FOR THE DISCUSSION AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE HEART AND THE, THE THOUGHTS BEHIND WHY THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

BUT I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT, THAT I, I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

UM, I, I STRUGGLE WITH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON, ON THIS COUNCIL, BUT I STRUGGLE WITH HOW MAYBE THIS MAY BE USED BY FUTURE COUNCILS.

UM, I WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT AM I NOT SEEING? AND WITH THAT SAID, IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE THE ANSWER AND CONSENT HERE AND SAY, HEY GREG, DON, THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD ADD.

'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I I, SOMETHING'S JUST NOT SITTING RIGHT WITH, YOU KNOW, I WORRY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC AND I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER IN HOW TO MAKE THAT GUT FEELING GO AWAY.

BUT I DID WANT TO SHARE THAT, THAT MY GUT, I'M JUST, I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE GOOD-HEARTED APPROACH TO IT.

I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE BEHIND IT, AND I THINK THOSE, THAT MOTIVATION IS PURE.

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ARE YOU CONCERNED IT'S GONNA BE ABUSED? IS THAT THE CONCERN? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR WORRY.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

LET'S SAY, UH, AND YEAH, I WONDER IF YOU KNOW FUTURE COUNCILS? WELL, LET'S, LET'S BE HONEST.

THERE'S SOME, THERE, THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE A LITTLE HARDER THAN OTHERS AND SOME VOTES THAT COME A LITTLE EASIER TO US THAN OTHERS.

AND I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEBODY TO COME DOWN WITH THE FLU BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE A PART OF A DISCUSSION AT THE TABLE.

THAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT ONE.

OR, YOU KNOW, TRY TO TRY TO PLAY THE POLITICS BEHIND IT AND THEN NOT BE AS TRANSPARENT AS CAN BE.

I, I THINK THE REMOTE POLICY IS, SO IF YOU HAVE THE FLU, YOU CAN ATTEND THE MEETING AND TAKE THE VOTE.

SO I I I HEAR YOU THERE, BUT THERE COULD BE PEOPLE WITH ILL MOTIVE EVERYWHERE.

RIGHT.

LIKE TRUE, TRUE.

BUT I MEAN, HONESTLY IT WASN'T IDEAL, BUT YOU WERE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.

I SPEAK OF WHY THIS POLICY WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT.

'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE ATTENDED AND, AND, AND BEEN A PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

BUT I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIRST, SECOND I THOUGHT, OH, IF I WOULD'VE BEEN A FEW WEEKS, YOU KNOW, EARLIER IN THE PROCESS, BUT THEN I GOT NO, I, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT SITTING HERE AND HAVING THAT OPEN DISCUSSION LIKE WE ARE NOW.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT AND TRANSPARENCY TO TO, TO THE CITY.

I'M UNDER, YEAH, I I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I GUESS I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY IS VOTED SAYING AGAINST THAT.

I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THAT.

IT'S JUST I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT FOR THOSE REASONS.

YEAH, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I GUESS AGAIN, IT'S NOT A HILL I'M GONNA DIE ON, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WANTED TO SHARE THAT.

UM, 'CAUSE I HAVE FEELING, UM, I I DON'T KNOW IF OTHERS ARE HAVE SIMILAR THOUGHTS OR I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS ONE, BUT NO, YEAH, I JUST REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

I, I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS PROVIDES, IT AVOIDS THE SITUATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN I ALSO TO YOUR CONCERN ABOUT POTENTIAL FUTURE COUNSELS, MAYBE ABUSING THIS POLICY BY ILL MOTIVE OR, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO ATTEND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MEETINGS REMOTELY OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, THAT FUTURE COUNCIL, I THINK IF THEY SEE IT GETTING ABUSED, HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECALL THIS ORDINANCE, RIGHT? LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS ORDINANCE FOREVER IF WE PASS IT.

UM, SO THERE IS ABILITY TO COURSE CORRECT IN THE FUTURE IF WE DECIDE THAT WE DON'T, THAT FUTURE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT, THAT THE POLICY IS NOT, UM, BEING FOLLOWED IN THE WAY THAT THEY WANT.

BUT MR. SHA SHUL, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

WELL, JUST TO ADD FEW POINTS THERE, I KNOW THAT THE CONCERN, UH, YOU KNOW, IS OUT THERE.

WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION LAST, LAST TIME AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BE ABSENT, YOU KNOW, HE CAN, OR SHE CAN AB BE ABSENT, YOU KNOW, NOW THERE IS NO RISK, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTION ON THAT.

SO IT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, IT, THE POLICY HAS BEEN THERE ALWAYS.

AND, UH, THIS IS ONLY JUST TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THE ABILITY TO JOIN SOMEONE REMOTELY IF THEY WANT TO.

AND BECAUSE THERE IS SOME AGENDA.

UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS SOME PLANNED TRIP OR MAYBE SOMEBODY GOT SICK, BUT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER TOOL.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE REALLY A WHOLE LOT.

UM, SO, BUT AGAIN, AFTER TWO YEARS THEY CAN VOTE, YOU KNOW, VOTERS CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE CANDIDATE.

THANK YOU MR. CORCORAN.

THANK YOU MR. HARRIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARROS, I MEAN, WHEN THIS IDEA FIRST CAME UP, I, I KIND HAD THE SAME REACTION, BUT AFTER SEEING WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED AS FAR AS THE SAFEGUARDS, UM, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE SOME WAY TO COMPEL EVERYBODY TO BE HERE.

BUT, UM, THIS IS, I PERSONALLY, I FEEL THIS IS A REALITY THAT THE WORLD IS JUST GOING TOWARDS ALLOWING SOME FORM OF HYBRID AND THERE ARE ENOUGH SAFEGUARDS IN IT, IN MY OPINION THAT MY INITIAL SORT OF TREPIDATION LIKE, OH, THIS KIND OF FEELS WEIRD OR ICKY IN A WAY.

IT'S NOT THERE AS MUCH ANYMORE.

SO JUST, I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR BENEFIT, I JUST WANT YOU TO, TO KNOW THAT I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM 'CAUSE I HAD THOSE SAME CONCERNS AT FIRST.

I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION COMMENTS? I THINK I'LL JUST ADD ONE THING AND HOPEFULLY ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE FUTURE WILL HAVE THE SAME MORAL COMPASS THAT WE'RE GUIDING DOWN THIS PATH.

THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSCIENTIOUS TO JOIN IN AND DO WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO AND REPRESENT THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

AND I THINK THE WHOLE, BECAUSE JUST LIKE JOE JUST BROUGHT UP RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN MISS A COUNCIL MEETING.

THERE'S NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL 72 HOURS AHEAD, EXCUSE ME AHEAD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO STAY ENGAGED AND MAKE SURE YOUR VOICE IS HEARD.

AND I THINK THAT THE INTENTIONS ARE THERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO, UM, I'D HATE TO TWIST IT THE OTHER WAY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHERE I THINK WE'RE WANTING TO GO.

SO, FINAL COMMENTS.

ALRIGHT, SO AWESOME FOR YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[6. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 23-10, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, INDOOR USE (INDOOR SKI AND SNOWBOARD SCHOOL) LOCATED WITHIN AN EXISTING BUILDING ON AN 8.1-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED COLLINS/ARAPAHO TOD & INNOVATION DISTRICT PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT (STATION AREA SUB-DISTRICT), LOCATED AT 1002 N. CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND ARAPAHO ROAD.]

WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM SIX, PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 2310,

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A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT INDOOR USE, INDOOR SKI AND SNOWBOARD SCHOOL LOCATED AT 10 0 2 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

MR. MAGNER.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, THAT IS NOT SAM CHAVEZ AT THE PODIUM.

THAT IS CHRIS SHACKLET, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

UH, SAM IS OUT OF THE OFFICE TODAY.

WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE CHRIS, UH, JOIN US TO PRESENT THE NEXT TWO CASES.

UM, AFTER CHRIS PRESENTS A, UH, BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CASE, UH, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT AND PERHAPS THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE BOTH HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE'LL GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN, UH, COUNSEL, YOU CAN DELIBERATE.

SO CHRIS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND I APPRECIATE, UH, TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEFING.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UH, AS MR. MAGNER STATED, UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A USE THAT'S DEFINED AS INDOOR COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY FOR A SKI AND SNOWBOARDING INSTRUCTION SCHOOL, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 75 AND ARAPAHOE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTIES APPROXIMATELY 8.1 ACRES.

UH, IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH SIX SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UH, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 117,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE PROPOSED FACILITY WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN A 4,700 SQUARE FOOT LEASE SPACE AT THE SOUTHERN END OF BUILDING TWO, UH, WHICH IS THAT BUILDING, UH, IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE ARROW THERE IS SORT OF POINTING AT WHERE THEIR LEASE SPACE, UH, WOULD BE LOCATED.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COLLINS ARAPAHO, T O D AND INNOVATION DISTRICT, UH, PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UH, TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL USES.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, YOU HAVE THE DART ARAPAHOE CENTER STATION, UH, TO THE EAST AND ACROSS HIGHWAY 75, UH, A CHURCH USE.

UH, THIS SLIDE IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE FACILITY.

UH, THERE ARE NO, UH, EXTERIOR, UH, SITE MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED WITH THIS.

UH, HOWEVER, UH, THE SUBJECT LEASE SPACE SHOWN IN RED AT THE SOUTHERN END OF BUILDING TWO, UH, FACES ARAPAHOE ROAD.

UH, THE SITE HAS ACCESS POINTS ALONG ARAPAHOE AS WELL AS, UH, MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS ALONG, UH, CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FRONTAGE ROAD.

UH, THE INTENT OF THE FACILITY IS TO PROVIDE INDOOR SKIING AND SNOWBOARDING INSTRUCTION FOR CHILDREN, UH, FROM THE AGES OF 10 MONTHS UP TO THE AGE OF 10, UH, 10 YEARS OLD.

UH, THE FACILITY WOULD OPERATE FROM THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND IT'S EXPECTED THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, DURING A SPECIFIC CLASS TIME UP TO 15 STUDENTS AND THREE STAFF MEMBERS.

AND THE FACILITY MAY ALSO HOST, UH, OTHER EVENTS WHEN THEY'RE NOT, UH, NOT PROVIDING INSTRUCTION, INCLUDING BIRTHDAY PARTIES, PARENTS NIGHT OUT EVENTS, UH, AS WELL AS HOLIDAY AND SUMMER CAMPS.

UH, THE SITE DOES PROVIDE 306 PARKING SPACES, UH, PER THE PD ZONING.

178 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.

UH, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT EXPECTS, UH, NO MORE THAN 20 SPACES TO BE NECESSARY.

UH, HOWEVER, THIS PD DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING EXCEPT FOR NEW BUILDING AREA.

UH, AND AGAIN, THROUGHOUT THE COLLINS, ARAPAHOE, UH, PD, UH, ANY, ANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT ADDING, UH, ADDITIONAL BUILDING AREA, THE PARKING THEY HAVE ON SITE IS WHAT'S REQUIRED.

THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO RECALCULATE PARKING, UH, EVERY TIME A USE CHANGES.

AND THAT'S TO REALLY TO ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY OF USES TO MEET, UM, CHANGING MARKET DEMANDS, UH, AS, AS THE YEARS GO BY.

UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR FLOOR PLAN FOR THE FACILITY, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE BLUE AND YELLOW AREAS, THOSE ARE TWO PROPOSED INDOOR RAMPS, UH, ONE BEING A SIX FOOT TALL RAMP.

THE OTHER A 10 FOOT TALL RAMP.

UH, THESE ARE COVERED IN A CARPET LIKE MATERIAL, UH, TO SIMULATE, UH, A GROOMED SLOPE FOR SKIING AND SNOWBOARDING.

UH, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL AREAS WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE FACILITY FOR PRE-TRAINING INSTRUCTIONAL ACTIVITIES.

IT INCLUDES, UH, AREAS FOR STRENGTH TRAINING, BALANCE TRAINING, AND THEN, UH, JUST MORE INSTRUCTIONAL, UH, INSTRUCTIONAL SPACE.

UH, ADDITIONALLY WITHIN THE RECEPTION AREA, UH, AND OR ALONG THE EDGES OF THE OPEN AREAS, THERE WILL BE SEATING PROVIDED FOR THOSE PARENTS WHO WISH TO, UH, COME INTO THE FACILITY WHILE THEIR CHILD IS, UH, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THE TRAINING.

UH, SO THERE WILL BE, UH, SEATING THERE FOR PARENTS THAT ARE WAITING, UH, AS WELL.

UH, THIS IS A PHOTO OF THAT SITE SORT OF LOOKING, UH, WEST FROM ARAPAHOE ROAD TOWARDS THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE SITE.

AGAIN, IT FACES ON, UH, ARAPAHOE ROAD THERE AND THERE'S PARKING, UH, SOME PARKING LOCATED JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE ENTRANCE THERE.

AND THEN SEVERAL PARKING SPACES LOCATED ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, AS THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, WE DID SEND OUT NOTIFICATION TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, UH, OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE AND AT THE OCTOBER 5TH CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, UH, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, UH, SUBJECT TO THE, UH, THESE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.

UH, WITH THAT, UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

COUNSEL, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. DORIAN? UH, YEAH, THANK YOU, CHRIS.

THAT WAS VERY NICE.

UM, JUST HAD, UM, FOR THE EXTERIOR IS, IS ANY OF THE EXTERIOR GETTING CHANGED

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OR GETTING A MAKEOVER? IS IT GONNA BE AS IS? SO IT'S JUST STRICTLY ALL INTERIOR? NO, SIR.

THERE ARE NO PROPOSED, UH, SITE MODIFICATIONS OTHER THAN, UH, LIKELY SOME SIGNAGE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. CHU? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WELL, THANKS FOR THIS SIMPLE, NICE PRESENTATION.

I LOVE THIS.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS TWO RAMP, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT 15 DEGREE RAMP.

UH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE ICE SKATING OR, SO I HAVE NOT BEEN ANY OF THIS I SIMILAR PLACE BEFORE, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THE DECISION LIKE VOTE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE RAMP CONSTRUCTION, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT.

UH, UH, THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO THE SPECIFIC CONSTRUCTION OF THAT.

UM, ALTHOUGH, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE 16 FEET OR 16 FEET FALL TALL.

ONE IS 10 FEET TALL.

UH, BOTH THE APPROXIMATELY A 15 DEGREE SLOPE.

UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S, UH, WOULD BE TYPICAL FOR, UH, TRAINING AND INSTRUCTION, BUT THEY COULD SPEAK MORE TO THAT.

SO I'LL SET MY QUESTION FOR THEM, BUT NO, THANK YOU.

I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THAT NOW.

THANK YOU, CHRIS.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME, PLEASE.

HELLO.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD, PLEASE? UH, YEAH, SO I'M, UH, ROBERT LACEY.

I'M, UH, A APPLICANT FOR SHREDDER.

UM, SO, UH, I'LL JUST KIND OF JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON ME REAL QUICK AND THEN JUST GO OVER THE BUSINESS.

UM, I GREW UP SKIING AND SNOWBOARDING.

UM, I ALSO, UH, WOULD TEACH KIDS SKIING BACK WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, THIS FRANCHISE, UH, BECAME AVAILABLE IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.

THE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOCATED IN, UH, DENVER, COLORADO.

THEY HAVE SIX LOCATIONS IN DENVER.

UM, SO I WILL, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE FIRST FRANCHISE OWNER.

UM, AND DALLAS IS ONE OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, MAIN SPOTS.

THEY WANT TO, THEY WANTED A, A LOCATION BECAUSE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE TRAVEL TO COLORADO AND UTAH TO SKI FROM DALLAS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE THE, THE FIRST LOCATION IN THE COUNTRY, UM, FOR THIS, THIS TYPE OF INDOOR SKIING AND SNOWBOARDING.

UM, WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT THIS IS THAT I THINK IT'S GONNA ALLOW, UM, CHILDREN AND KIDS, UH, THAT MAYBE NEVER WERE ABLE TO GET TO THE MOUNTAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN A, A NEW SPORT.

UM, AND THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT DREW ME TO THIS.

UH, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY COOL THAT, YOU KNOW, KIDS NOW COULD, CAN LEARN SKIING, UM, YOU KNOW, AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE MOUNTAIN, WHICH IS, IS EXPENSIVE.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF A, A REALLY COOL PART FOR ME.

UM, AND, AND YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN OF IT IS, IS PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO SLOPES.

AS YOU GUYS SEE, THEY ARE MADE OUTTA WOOD, SO THEY'LL JUST BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF WOOD.

WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY WILL COME AND, AND BUILD THEM HERE ON SITE, UM, FROM COLORADO.

IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE THAT BUILT ALL, ALL SIX LOCATIONS THERE.

UM, SO THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE, THE, THE ENGINEERING PLANS FOR THESE.

UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

APPRECIATE IT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? TURN YOUR LIGHT ON PLEASE.

OKAY, I'LL, I'LL, I KNOW.

I THINK THAT WAS, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AND I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

IT WAS SO IT, IT WOULD BE EASILY BUILT AND ALSO EASILY TAKEN OUT.

UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT KIND OF EASY STRUCTURE IS GOOD.

ESSENTIALLY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT WILL BE STURDY , SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA, UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN IF IT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO MOVE LOCATION OR SOMETHING, I MEAN, IT CAN BE OF COURSE BE TAKEN DOWN.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, LIKE A WELDED, UH, THING AND IT IS GONNA BE BUILT WITH WOOD.

SO, AND IN INSIDE IT WOULD HAVE TEMPERATURE SIMILAR TO COLORED OUT THERE, I GUESS.

UH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'LL BE DEALING WITH THE ICE, OR NO, THERE'S NO SNOW IN IT.

NO, THERE'S NO SNOW.

HOW THAT GONNA SLOPE WORKS OUT.

SO, SO IT'S, UM, IT'S A CARPET BASICALLY THAT MIMICS, UH, LIKE A GROOMED TRAIL.

SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY JUST LIKE A CARPET, BUT LIKE WITH THICK, UM, KIND OF BRISTLES.

UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE GLIDING DOWN, IT, IT, IT MIMICS, UM, LIKE A GROOMED TRAIL.

SO, OKAY.

UM, YEAH, SO YOU HAVE TO USE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF SKI THINGS THAT WOULD BE USED.

YEAH, SO IT'S SKIING AND SNOWBOARDING, SO WE'LL BE TEACHING BOTH, BOTH OF THOSE SPORTS.

I GUESS I NEED TO TAKE A LESSON, I GUESS , UH, NO, THAT'S GOOD.

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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US AT THIS TIME? UM, JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED.

I MEAN, THIS, THIS WILL BE THE, THE FIRST, FIRST ONE IN, IN RICHARDSON, YOU KNOW, IN DALLAS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF EXCITING.

UM, THE FIRST ONE OF ITS KIND, YOU KNOW, NOBODY ELSE IS DOING AN INDOOR SKIING, SNOWBOARDING, I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE GUYS IN COLORADO, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WILL BE FIRST OF DALLAS, SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING, SO.

AWESOME.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE A SEAT.

WE'LL OPEN THIS FOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS? NO CARDS, MAYOR.

SO AT THIS TIME, MR. HUTCHER, ROGER, DO YOU LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COULD I GET A SECOND? YES, MS. JUSTICE.

SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNSEL? MR. BARRIOS, YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, I THINK THIS SOUNDS EXCITING.

UM, AND I DRIVE BY THIS LOCATION ALMOST DAILY, AND I THINK, UH, I THINK IF THIS PASSES, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE, I BELIEVE I SAW THAT 10, 10 YEARS OLD IS THEIR AGE LIMIT, THEY EVER RAISED THAT.

I KNOW I HAVE A TEENAGER AT HOME WHO WOULD GLADLY COME OVER AND SIGN UP FOR SOME CLASSES, SO, SO, UH, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING GREAT TO, TO RICHARDSON.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? MR. HUTCHEN? RIDER? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 23 DASH 10 AS PUBLISHED.

JOE, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND PASSES THIS UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CHOOSING RICHARDSON, TEXAS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU.

GONNA GO TO ITEM SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 2311.

AT THIS TIME WE'RE

[7. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 23-11, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL LOCATED WITHIN AN EXISTING BUILDING ON A 3.2-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED LR-M(2) LOCAL RETAIL, LOCATED AT 521 W. CAMPBELL ROAD, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CAMPBELL ROAD, EAST OF NANTUCKET DRIVE. ]

A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL LOCATED AT 5 21 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD.

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, AGAIN, UH, CHRIS SHACK'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, PRESENT THE CITY BRIEFING.

SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, I THINK THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE HERE TO, UH, MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM THERE.

SO, CHRIS, TAKE IT AWAY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, AS MR. MAGNER STATED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR BOSS NAIL ACADEMY.

UH, SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD BE FOR A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL.

UH, THIS IS A USE THAT'S NOT LISTED WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO, UH, UNDER OUR COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, A USE THAT IS UNLISTED CAN BE APPROVED WITHIN ANY DISTRICT UPON APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT.

UM, SO THAT IS WHY, UH, THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

UH, THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 5 21 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD.

THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CAMPBELL ROAD, JUST EAST OF NANTUCKET DRIVE.

UH, IT IS DEVELOPED WITH A 38,310 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING, UH, WITH MULTIPLE TENANTS.

AND IT IS PART OF A LARGER, UH, LARGER RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS LOCATED ON MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.

UH, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO OCCUPY A VACANT 6,261 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SPACE, UH, IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

UH, THE SITE IS ZONED L R M TWO LOCAL RETAIL, UH, PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND WEST ARE, UH, DEVELOPED IN A SIMILAR, UH, FASHION WITH COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES.

UH, THERE'S OFFICE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH AND ACROSS CAMPBELL TO THE NORTH, UH, IS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO OPEN, UH, WHAT WE'RE TERMING A NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL, UH, IN RICHARDSON.

AND THIS WOULD BE FOR A MANICURIST LICENSING PROGRAM.

UH, THIS WOULD BE A PROGRAM THAT IS ACCREDITED THROUGH, UH, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATION AND OFFERS A LICENSE AFTER COMPLETION OF A 600 HOUR PROGRAM.

UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED WITH TWO RETAIL USES, UH, TO THE EAST.

UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, IS A ROUGHLY 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LEASE SPACE THAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY VACANT, BUT A HEALTH CLUB INTENDS TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE AND HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH, UM, THE PERMITTING PROCESS ON THAT.

UM, SO THE SUBJECT LEASE SPACE THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 6,200 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE LAST REMAINING VACANT RETAIL SPACE.

UH, WITHIN THE, UH, WITHIN THE FACILITY.

UH, THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE SCHOOL WOULD BE 9:30 AM TO 9:30 PM THAT WOULD CONSIST OF, UH, TWO FOUR HOUR BLOCKS OF CLASS TIME, ONE FROM 9:30 AM TO 1:30 PM AND THEN AN EVENING CLASS FROM FIVE 30 TO 9:30 PM UH, DURING THAT TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THEY EXPECT, UH, NO MORE THAN UP TO, UH, 15 STUDENTS AND STAFF COMBINED DURING A SINGLE PERIOD.

UH, IN THAT TIME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY BETWEEN ONE 30 AND FIVE 30.

UH, THEY WILL NOT BE HOLDING, UH, CLASSES, BUT THEY WILL ALLOW FOR STUDENTS TO COME IN IF THEY'VE MISSED A CLASS, UH, TIME TO MAKE UP, MAKE UP THAT, OR, UH, WORK

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ON ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UH, THEY MAY NEED TO.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, ON FRIDAYS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY WILL, UH, ALLOW CUSTOMERS UP TO NO MORE THAN FIVE CUSTOMERS AT A GIVEN TIME TO COME IN, UH, ESSENTIALLY FOR THE STUDENTS TO, UH, PROVIDE MANICURES AND PEDICURES TOO, BUT ESSENTIALLY AS, AS PRACTICE AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM, MANY TIMES THIS IS FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT ARE COMING IN, UM, AS PART OF THAT.

UM, SO BASED ON THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS AND STAFF AS WELL AS THE CUSTOMERS THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO FRIDAY, UH, 20 SPACES WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE PROPOSED USE.

UH, BASED ON, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, TENANT MIX AND, AND ANTICIPATED HEALTH CLUB, 159 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE SITE.

UH, THAT ALSO INCLUDES ALLOCATING 20 PARKING SPACES TO THE, UH, NAIL TECHNICIAN SCHOOL.

UH, THE SITE, HOWEVER, PROVIDES 179 SPACES, SO THERE WOULD STILL BE A SURPLUS OF PARKING ONCE ALL THE PARKING WAS ACCOUNTED FOR.

FOR ALL, UH, FOUR OF THOSE USES.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A POTENTIAL, UH, FLOOR PLAN FOR THE SITE.

SO AT THE FRONT WHEN YOU WALK IN, THERE'LL BE A WAITING AREA AND RECEPTION AREA.

ALSO SOME STATIONS FOR WHERE, UM, THE MANICURES AND PEDICURES, UH, UH, WOULD BE PROVIDED.

SO IN THAT SENSE, THAT WILL, UH, HAVE MORE OF THE SALON LOOK TO IT ON THE FRONT END THERE.

AND IN THE BACK THERE WILL BE SOME OFF, UH, OFFICE AREAS, BREAK ROOMS, SOME CLASSROOM AREAS AS WELL AS, UH, RESTROOM, UH, AND STORAGE AREAS.

UH, THIS IS A SITE PHOTO LOOKING AT THE, UH, SUBJECT LEASE SPACE.

SO IT'S JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING DOLLAR GENERAL.

UH, THE AREA BETWEEN THE SUBJECT LEASE SPACE AND THE PROPERTY LINE REPRESENTS WHERE THE PROPOSED HEALTH CLUB WOULD BE LOCATED.

UH, AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING THE PROPERTY LINE HERE, SO DIRECTLY WEST OF THAT PROPERTY LINE, UH, IS WHERE THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A, A RESALE SHOP AT A FURNITURE STORE THERE TO THE WEST.

WE WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT APPEARS TO BE, UH, A SINGLE SHOPPING CENTER, THESE ARE ON TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.

UH, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, SOME, UH, AN EMAIL FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT PROPERTY OWNER PRIOR TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING.

REALLY JUST STATED, UH, CONCERN AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDENTS WERE NOT PARKING IN FRONT, YOU KNOW, PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, THEIR REPRESENTATIVE DID COME TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING ON OCTOBER 5TH AND ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.

UH, DURING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, SHE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WOULD INFORM STUDENTS AND STAFF WHERE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO PARK AND ACTUALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE 'EM TO UTILIZE PARKING SPACES FURTHER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE STREET, UH, TO ALLOW SPACES TO REMAIN OPEN FOR, UH, RETAIL TENANTS ON THEIR PROPERTY AND NOT TO ENCROACH UPON THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

UH, I DID SPEAK WITH THAT REPRESENTATIVE THIS MORNING AND HE DID STATE THAT THEY'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

THEY WOULD NOT BE, UH, THEY, UH, THEY DID NOT, UH, INTEND ON COMING TO TONIGHT'S MEETING AND THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL CONCERNS AS LONG AS THAT PARKING, UH, IT WAS MADE CLEAR WHERE THE PARKING SPACE IS, UH, WHICH ONE SHOULD BE USED.

UH, AGAIN, ON OCTOBER 5TH, THE PLAN COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND, UH, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT REQUESTS SUBJECT TO THESE, UH, SPECIAL CONDITIONS.

AND, UH, AGAIN, THE CONDITIONS ARE THE STANDARD CONDITIONS WE, UH, TYPICALLY HAVE LIMITING, UH, LIMITING THE USER ON A SPECIAL PERMIT AND TIMEFRAMES FOR BUILDING PERMITS.

IN ADDITION TO CALLING OUT A MINIMUM OF 20 PARKING SPACES TO BE REQUIRED, UH, FOR THE USE SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, UH, WHEN PARKING'S BEING RECALCULATED ON THAT SITE, THERE'S NO, UH, CONFUSION AS TO WHAT THE REQUIREMENT SHOULD BE FOR A USE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LISTED, UH, PARKING RATIO.

UH, WITH THAT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

THANK YOU, CHRIS.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEE YOU.

NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND ADD ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

PLEASE.

HELLO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MAYOR.

UM, THANK YOU.

BY THE WAY, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE INSIGHT ABOUT MYSELF, MY NAME IS HENAN I ABRAHAM AND I'M THE FOUNDER AND C E O OF BOSS BEAUTY MAKEUP ACADEMY AND BOSS NAIL ACADEMY.

BOSS NAIL ACADEMY IS A BRANCH OFF OF A COSMETOLOGY SCHOOL, A VERY WELL ESTABLISHED COSMETOLOGY SCHOOL IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND SAN ANTONIO.

AND I RECENTLY OPENED BOSTON NAIL ACADEMY IN 2022, SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE OVER A YEAR RIGHT NOW.

AND SINCE I OPENED THAT LOCATION, WHICH IS ALL 100% NAILS FOR THE LICENSED MANICURES PROGRAM, WITHIN SIX MONTHS, WE CAN ACTUALLY NO LONGER ACCEPT ANY STUDENTS.

THEY'RE ALL IN A WAITING LIST UNTIL MARCH, UM, BECAUSE OF THIS SPACE.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT JUST SHOWED US THAT THE MARKET WAS THERE.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT WHO HAS CAME TO OUR FACILITY AND GRADUATED, ACTUALLY PASSED THEIR STATE BOARD TEST THE FIRST TIME.

SO WE'RE VERY WELL KNOWN WITH THE EDUCATION PORTION THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A SCHOOL TO GO TO, TO, OH, I'M JUST HERE TO KIND OF LEARN AND PASS.

THIS IS IF YOU'RE GONNA COME AND YOU, WE REALLY WANNA TEACH 'EM THE RIGHT WAY.

WE WANT TO TEACH 'EM ALL ABOUT SANITATION AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW TO MAKE YOUR OWN MONEY, HOW TO BE YOUR OWN BOSS, WHETHER YOU WANNA WORK FROM HOME, YOU WANT TO WORK AT A SALON, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

THIS IS A VERY, UM, FEMALE, PREDOMINANTLY, YOU KNOW,

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BUSINESS.

AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE COME FROM ALL DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

A LOT OF 'EM ARE LOST.

SO IT'S A GREAT FACILITY FOR STUDENTS STRAIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

AS A MOTHER, I HAVE A ONE AND A TWO YEAR OLD.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, IF WHEN THEY'RE OUTTA SCHOOL, I, I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOST AND A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT KNOWING, WELL, WHERE DO I PUT MY KID? OR WHERE CAN THIS KID GO? WELL, AT BOSTON NAIL ACADEMY, YOU WANT YOUR KID TO COME HERE BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO LEARN ONE THE RIGHT WAY.

TWO, IT'S AFFORDABLE.

AND THREE, HOW DO YOU TURN YOUR PASSION INTO, INTO YOUR CAREER? AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE BOSS NE COMES IN.

AND IF THEY DON'T WANNA LEARN NAILS, THEY GO TO BOSS BEAUTY MAKEUP ACADEMY, WHICH IS ANY AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH BEAUTY, HAIR, SKIN NAILS, UM, ESTHETICIAN, MICROBLADING, MICRO SHADING.

AND SO I THINK FOR BOSS NAIL ACADEMY COMING TO RICHARDSON, IT WOULD BE A GREAT, GREAT, YOU KNOW, THINK FOR ONE, THE SHOPPING CENTER.

'CAUSE WE'LL BRING A LOT OF BUSINESS TO ALL THOSE BUSINESS, TO EVERY SINGLE, UH, BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY GO TO LUNCH, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

UM, BUT ANOTHER THING I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, IT REALLY IS TO HAVE A COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE KNOW, WELL, HEY, THAT'S A GREAT SCHOOL TO GO TO BECAUSE I MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, BUT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PASSION AND I HAVE SOMEONE THERE THAT CAN GUIDE US AND HELP US MAKE MONEY INTO DOING SOMETHING WE LOVE.

AND SO I THINK IT'D BE GREAT.

AND, UH, WITH YOUR GUYS' WELL WISHES, I MEAN, WE CAN BE THERE IN RICHARDSON.

AND I'M HERE, I'M OPEN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.

AND YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

THANK YOU COUNSEL.

MR. BARRIOS.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

UM, YOU, YOU SAID YOU, ARE YOU RELOCATING NO.

THE CURRENT SCHOOL OR IS THIS LIKE A SECOND LOCATION? SECOND LOCATION FOR A BOSTON ACADEMY? WE, OUR FIRST ONE IS IN WILEY, AND OUR SECOND ONE, GOD WILLING, WILL BE IN RICHARDSON.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

YES, SIR.

DO YOU OR HAVE YOU, OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING WORKING WITH ANY OF THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS BY CHANCE TO HELP, UH, BRIDGE THE GAP? OR WHILE YOU HAVE STUDENTS THAT MAYBE COULD GET INVOLVED AT THE SAME TIME AND OR MAYBE THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT THEY COULD BE IN SCHOOL AND BE IN YOUR SCHOOL AT THE SAME TIME.

DO YOU DO ANY OF THOSE TYPE THINGS? YES, SIR.

SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN COMMUNICATION WITH ANY AND EVERY SCHOOL WITHIN LIKE A 30 MILE RADIUS.

WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE SCHEDULED EVENTS AT COLLEGES, HIGH SCHOOLS AND COSMETOLOGY SCHOOLS FOR, AND WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ONE FOR, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH DALLAS CAN.

SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES, UM, THEY HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE EITHER DOING REALLY GOOD JUST IN HIGH SCHOOL OR THEY'RE NOT DOING TOO GOOD.

THEY'RE AT A DIFFERENT SCHOOL THAT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF MOTIVATION, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT LIFE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, KNOWING YOUR CURRENT SITUATION, NOT YOUR FINAL DESTINATION.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN AND WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL THESE SCHOOLS AND WE'RE ALL, WE'VE ALREADY HAD PRESENTATIONS WHERE WE DO BUSINESS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DIRECTLY TO BRING ALL THEIR STUDENTS IN AT A DISCOUNTED RATE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AT LEAST SEVEN ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THIS YEAR TO GO DO SPEAKING TO THEM.

AND NO ONE, YOU KNOW, ANY PERSON THAT'S COMING FROM A SPECIFIC HIGH SCHOOL OR A SPECIFIC COLLEGE, ALL THOSE TUITIONS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

WE, WE FIX THEM.

SO IT'S VERY AFFORDABLE FOR THEM TO COME TO OUR SCHOOL WHILE THEY'RE ATTENDING THAT SCHOOL.

AND IT'S AFFORDABLE FOR THEIR FAMILIES TO ALSO DO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT 'EM IN SCHOOL.

AND THEN WE ALSO WORK WITH, UM, TEXAS WORKFORCE.

THEY ACTUALLY ARE PAYING FOR SOME STUDENTS TO COME TO SCHOOL, DEPENDING ON THEIR SITUATION.

AND SO YEAH, WE ARE WORKING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, FACILITIES TO HELP MAKE THIS POSSIBLE.

THERE'S NO MORE, OH, MR. JAMES.

UH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE.

UH, SO THIS PROGRAM IS ABOUT WHAT, SEVEN TO NINE, EIGHT MONTHS PROGRAM? IT'S A 15 WEEK PROGRAM IF YOU'RE FULL-TIME AND YOU GOTTA GET IN AND GET OUT, OR IT'S 30 WEEKS IF YOU WANNA KIND OF TAKE YOUR TIME.

SMOOTH SAILING.

AND WE HAVE FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME JUST DEPENDING ON EVERYONE'S PERSONAL PREFERENCES.

SO IF SOMEONE TAKES FOUR HOURS AND FIVE DAYS A WEEK, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT 15 WEEKS? YES.

AND, UH, IF SOMEBODY, NO, THAT'S ABOUT 30 WEEKS, BUT IF SOMEBODY SAY EIGHT HOURS A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK RIGHT.

IT'S ABOUT 15 WEEKS.

SO THEY HAVE AN OPTION.

SO THERE'S FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME WITH PART-TIME.

IT'S A 15 WEEK PROGRAM.

AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN FROM NINE 30 TO FIVE 30.

SO IT'S, IT'S A WHOLE DAY'S EVENT VERSUS THE PART-TIME STUDENTS.

THEY COME IN FROM THE MORNING TIME, WHICH IS NINE 30 AND 1 30, 9 30 TO ONE 30, OR FROM FIVE 30 TO 9:30 PM I'LL BE HONEST, WE HARDLY HAVE FULL-TIME STUDENTS THAT HAVE THAT TIME TO GIVE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EITHER WORKING OR IN SCHOOL.

SO THIS IS A SCHOOL THAT'S, I'LL BE HONEST, THEY'RE EITHER IN THE MORNING OR IN THE NIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE THOSE LUCKY STUDENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, EITHER STAY AT HOME OR THEY JUST HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FLEXIBILITY OF COMING ALL DAY, YOU KNOW.

BUT, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, THAT'S GOOD.

BUT THERE IS ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HERE.

I, I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS, BUT THEY, THE C E OF THAT COMPANY, THAT THIS IS HIGH TECH THINGS THEY MAKE.

THAT I THINK FEW MONTHS AGO I HEARD FROM ONE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESS, THEY MAKE SOME KIND OF LASER THINGS.

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RIGHT.

AND THEY SAID THEY HIRED SOMEONE WITH NAIL THINGS EXPERIENCE, SO THEY CAN PUT THOSE SMALL THINGS INTO THIS, THOSE DEVICE.

SO THEY HIRE SPECIFICALLY EXPERTISE WITH A NAIL.

OH, THAT'S AWESOME.

SO I DON'T, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO FIND OUT THAT BUSINESS THAT, THAT MIGHT HELP.

SO.

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING.

ANY STUDENT COMING FROM BOSTON NAIL ACADEMY, WE ARE POPPING OUT THE MOST EDUCATED, THE CLEANEST SNAIL TECHNICIANS.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

BUT THEY CAN GO EVEN TALK.

ABSOLUTELY.

I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.

ANYTHING TO BENEFIT THEM FOR SURE.

THIS TIME WE'LL ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN AND WE MAY CALL YOU BACK IF NEEDED.

I'M SORRY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER, I'M SORRY, ANOTHER QUESTION, JOE, I APOLOGIZE.

NO, I WAS GONNA MAKE THE MOTION TO PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YES.

YOU MAY SIT DOWN AND THEN AT THIS TIME, WE, JOE, MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE.

NO, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T, BUT DO, DO WE HAVE ANYONE, MS. ER, WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS.

MAYOR, NO SPEAKERS.

CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WE WILL OFFICIALLY CLOSE IF I GET A MOTION.

MR. HUTCHIN WRITER MAYOR WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU MR. CORCORAN.

I SECOND THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

, COULD I GET A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR.

OKAY, NOW WE NEED MR. HUTCHIN RIDER.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 23 DASH 11 AS PUBLISHED.

OKAY, MR. I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALRIGHT, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU TAKE CARE OF OUR NAILS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THIS TIME WE'LL CALL FOR A MOTION ALSO TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS APPROVED.

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MS. JUSTICE, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. DORIAN, I'LL SECOND THAT.

AGENDA PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.

CONSENT.

WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM NINE, REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, MS. JUSTICE, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH LAST NIGHT AND GO, GO BACKWARDS.

AT THIS TIME

[9. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

UM, JUST ANOTHER HUGE SHOUT OUT TO, TO ALI OVER AT THE EISMAN, AN AMAZING PROGRAM LAST NIGHT, UM, STEP AFRICA, THE FIRST PROFESSIONAL, UM, STEP TROOP, UH, IN THE WORLD AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

UH, AND I LOVED IT.

IT WAS PART PERCUSSION, IT WAS PART HISTORY, LESSON ON JUST SORT OF THE HISTORY OF STEPPING AND HOW IT CAME TO BE.

AND SO, UH, IT WAS EDUCATIONAL, IT WAS ENTERTAINING.

UM, IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE STEP AFRICA, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.

UM, THEY WERE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TEACHING OUR STUDENTS TODAY, UH, TEAMING UP WITH SOME OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS FROM LIKE LAKE HIGHLANDS AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, SO ANYWAY, BIG SHOUT OUT TO ALLIE.

UM, AND THEN A SHOUT OUT TO, UH, JONATHAN, THE BAT CAT WHO WON THE FIRST PET, UH, COSTUME, UH, CONTEST ON SATURDAY AT POTTO FEST.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SHOUT OUT TO, TO YVONNE AND HER WHOLE TEAM FOR ANOTHER GREAT, UM, HARVEST FEST AND, UH, POTO FEST.

THANK YOU MR. CORCORAN.

HEY, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, ON SATURDAY, UH, MOST IF NOT ALL OF US, I THINK HAD THE CHANCE TO ATTEND, UH, THE NETWORK OF COMMUNITY MYSTERIES FORK OFF FUNDRAISER.

IT WAS JUST A FANTASTIC NIGHT.

UM, A LOT OF MONEY WAS RAISED FOR THAT AWESOME ORGANIZATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, IT'S, IT REALLY PROVIDES A LOT OF THE SOCIAL SERVICES THAT A CITY MAY PROVIDE IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY.

THEY PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, AND SO SUPPORTING THEM IS JUST SO CRITICAL FOR, UM, REALLY THE HEALTH OF OUR ENTIRE CITY.

MR. DORIAN.

UH, IT WAS QUITE A FULL WEEK ACTUALLY.

UM, WE HAD THE, WE ATTENDED THE LEADERSHIP, UH, RICHARDSON CLASS 39 EVENT EARLIER, UM, THIS LAST WEEK.

AND IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

GREAT TURNOUT.

UM, NOT A A, A GOOD CLASS.

LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IN THEIR LEADERSHIP ROLES.

UM, ON SATURDAY WE HAD THE HUFF FINE HARVEST, UH, FESTIVAL EVENT.

UM, AND PRIOR TO THAT WE HAD THE, UH, NETWORK OF MINISTRIES, UH, FOR OFF, WHICH WAS A GREAT ATTENDANCE AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. BARRIOS.

JUST GONNA ADD ON TO SOME OF WHAT COUNCILWOMAN, UH, JUSTICE SAID.

YEAH, I, I ALSO ATTENDED STEP AFRICA, UH, WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE AND,

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UM, IT WAS GREAT.

IT WAS AMAZING.

IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE AUDIENCES I'VE SEEN, AND I LOVE SEEING THE AMOUNT OF FAMILIES.

I WAS QUITE SURPRISED HOW MANY FAMILIES THERE WERE.

UH, AND UH, SO THAT WAS ALWAYS, THAT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE.

SO GREAT JOB.

AND YES, AS SHE MENTIONED, I KNOW THERE WERE SEVERAL SCHOOLS, UM, THAT WERE INVOLVED THIS MORNING WITH THAT CREW.

UM, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I WORK AT LAKE HIGHLANDS HERE TODAY, AND I KNOW ONE OF OUR, WE TOOK A GROUP AS WELL, AND, UH, JUST FOR, TO HAVE THAT INTERACTION FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE TO EXPOSE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO ARTS AND ARTS IN A DIFFERENT WAY, UM, THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE ALWAYS SEEN, SEEN, REPRESENTED OUT THERE.

THAT THAT'S, THAT'S AMAZING.

SO KUDOS TO NOT SALLY, BUT THE ENTIRE CITY STAFF INVOLVED WITH THAT.

MIKAYLA AND EVERYBODY UNDER MIKAYLA.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.

UM, WELL, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE WAS, WAS AT THE, UH, EARLIER 12 O'CLOCK I GOT TO BE A ONE OF THE JUDGES AT THE THREE O'CLOCK DOG COSTUME CONTEST.

WE DID NOT HAVE A CAT AND, UM, BUT WE DID HAVE SUSHI, THE DOG THAT WON.

AND HE, HE AND HIS OWNER, UM, MAKE THIS A REGULAR EVERY YEAR THING.

AND, UH, THEY, THEY WERE AMAZING.

IT WAS, IT WAS SO FUN TO, UM, TO BE A PART OF THAT.

I JOKINGLY TOLD COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE HARDEST DECISIONS I'VE HAD TO MAKE SINCE BEING ON THE COUNCIL.

SO, UH, BUT IT, IT WAS, IT WAS FUN.

IT WAS FUN.

UM, YESTERDAY MORNING, UH, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AND I JOINED THE RICHARDSON SPANISH SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH RIBBON CUTTING FOR THEIR COMMUNITY GARDEN.

AND ALTHOUGH IT WAS AT THE SPANISH SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH OVER OFF BELTLINE ON EAST BELTLINE, IT ACTUALLY INVOLVED, UH, ADVENTIST CHURCH FROM ALL OVER THE, THE CITY FROM THE, UH, THE ONE NEAR MY HOME OVER NEAR R H S.

BUT THERE WAS ALSO, UM, A BRAZILIAN ONE PRESENT.

THERE WAS A WEST AFRICAN, I FORGET THERE, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE FROM A WEST AFRICAN CONGREGATION.

UM, AND THEIR GOAL IS JUST TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TEACH YOUNG PEOPLE HOW TO, HOW TO GARDEN.

AND IF SO, SEEING THAT GROUP COME TOGETHER LIKE THAT, THAT WAS QUITE THE THING TO SEE.

AND DEFINITELY ONE OF THE MORE MY MORE ENJOYABLE MOMENTS.

UM, SINCE JOINING THE COUNCIL THIS SPRING, UH, I LOVED IT, LOVED MEETING EVERYBODY THERE WAS JUST WONDERFUL.

AND I LOVED HEARING THEIR PLANS, SO, UH, SHOUT OUT TO THEM.

AND THAT WAS IT.

I DID HAVE A FEW PEOPLE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I WAS OUT LAST WEEK, UH, I WAS A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER AND, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A CHANCE.

UH, I MAY BE OUT NEXT MONDAY AS WELL AND HAVING A MINOR PROCEDURE, UH, THAT I'M GONNA BE GOING THROUGH NEXT MONDAY.

SO I APPRECIATE THOSE WHO HAVE REACHED OUT AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE LAST WEEK, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, EVERYBODY'S CONTINUED, UH, PRAYERS OVER THE NEXT WEEK.

THANK YOU MR. CHU.

ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, JUST WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE IS LAST TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17TH, WE HAD ALL LEADERSHIP.

UH, IT WAS AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND AGAIN, IT WAS DONE SUCCESSFULLY THIS YEAR.

AGAIN, IT WAS WONDERFUL JOB.

EVERYBODY INVOLVES CON CONGRATULATION TO THEM AND THANK YOU FOR DOING SO AND THE OTHER THINGS I JUST COULDN'T STOP, UH, SAYING THAT I KNOW MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT THE LIBRARY IS OPEN AND WHEN YOU SEE SO MANY HAPPY CAVES AND I'VE SEEN ONE SMALL KID, HE WAS, WELL, SHE WAS CARRYING A BOOK THAT WAS ALMOST LIKE HER SIZE AND SHE WAS VERY EXCITED.

UH, I COULDN'T TAKE THE PICTURE THOUGH, BUT ANYWAY, I DID NOT WANT TO TAKE THE PICTURE BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING THEY WANTED TO ENJOY AND I JUST, I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. HUTCHER RIDER.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, FIRST OFF, JUST UH, WANNA TAG IN.

I WENT SUNDAY TO THE HUFFINES HARVEST FEST.

IT WAS A GREAT EVENT.

I GOT THE REQUISITE KETTLE CORN, THE A AND M ORNAMENT FOR OUR CHRISTMAS TREE, AND THEN HAD A CHANCE TO THANK ALL OF THE VENDORS AND JUST A REALLY GREAT DISPLAY OF EVERYONE.

UM, ALSO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, UM, EARLY VOTING OPENED UP THIS MORNING.

UM, ALSO BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN THIS QUESTION SEVERAL TIMES, VOTING FROM BOTH DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY IS OVER AT RICHARDSON BAPTIST CHURCH, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME PLACE WHERE LAST CITY ELECTION WAS.

SO IF YOU ARE NOT QUITE SURE WHERE YOU CAN GO FOR VOTING, UH, JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT 'CAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE IT'S BEEN PUBLICIZED AS MUCH FROM BY THE, BY THE TWO COUNTIES.

UM, AND, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN, I HATE TO CORRECT YOU, BUT THE LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON WAS NOT AN OFFICIAL CITY COUNCIL EVENT.

CITY COUNCIL WAS NOT INVITED TO THAT.

SO JUST, JUST A CORRECTION SO THAT NOBODY THINKS THAT WE DIDN'T SHOW UP BECAUSE SEVERAL OF US DIDN'T GET THAT INVITE.

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NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

YES, IT, IT WAS FOR THE LEADERSHIP ALUMNI ASSOCIATION, SO YEAH.