Feb 06, 2024 City Planning Commission Meetings

COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES.

THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, UH, YEAH, COMMISSIONER .

ALL RIGHT.

UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CORRECTIONS, UH, TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

A MOTION TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER SUTHER.

I'LL SECOND MOTION.

UH, AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[2. Zoning File 23-16 512 N. Central Expressway - Special Development Plan: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Development Plan for a 0.81-acre lot located at 512 N. Central Expressway, on the east side of Central Expressway, between Davis Street and Rayflex Drive, currently zoned Main Street/Central Expressway PD Planned Development (Interurban Sub-District) including an allowance for outdoor storage between the building wall and Bishop Avenue to accommodate the use of the property for a wholesale establishment. Owner: David E. Arledge, representing Arledge E K & J II Family Limited PS. Staff: Derica Peters ]

ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OUR AGENDA IS ZONING FILE 2316.

UM, THIS IS, UM, FIVE 12 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND TURN IT OVER TO MS. PETERS.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 0.81 ACRES.

THE SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED AT FIVE 12 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 1974 WITH A SINGLE STORY, 4,200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

IT'S LOCATED IN THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN PART OF, IN THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT AIMS TO REDEVELOP AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE THROUGH A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE APPROVAL OF ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR STORAGE ON THE SITE.

SO, OUTDOOR STORAGE IS ALLOWED IN THIS SUBDISTRICT AS AN ACCESSORY USE.

HOWEVER, IT'S ONLY ALLOWED BEHIND THE BUILDING.

SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON BISHOP AND BISHOP AVENUE TO ITS EAST, THE BUILDING DOES.

THE SITE DOES HAVE TWO FRONTAGES ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND ON BISHOP AVENUE.

SO IT DOES NOT HAVE A, UH, REAR OF THE YARD.

THE APPLICANT PLANS TO MAKE A FEW SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, INCLUDING SCREENING THE OUTDOOR STORAGE.

SO THEY WILL BE SCREENING WITH AN EIGHT FOOT TALL TUBULAR STEEL FENCE AND AN EIGHT FOOT FOOT TALL EVERGREEN SHRUB ROW ALONG THE EASTERN PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.

TRAFFIC WILL BE, UH, DIVERTED TO THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE ALONG BISHOP AVENUE, WHERE A HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC SHIPPING AND UNLOADING WILL BE DIRECTED.

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THEY'LL BE DIRECTED TO BISHOP AVENUE, WHERE THEY WOULD THEN BE DIRECTED TO EXIT THROUGH THE SOUTHWEST EXIT ONTO CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

UM, THIS SITE DOES NOT REQUIRE PARKING SPACES IN THE CODE, BUT THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDING TWO THREE PARKING SPACES IN THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY.

THE CODE WILL ONLY ALLOW FOR ONE DRIVEWAY PER 200 LINEAR FEET.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO VALIDATE THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS FOR THE TWO EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

THEY WILL BE RECONSTRUCTING THE BISHOP AVENUE DRIVEWAYS TO CONSOLIDATE THE TWO EXISTING DRIVEWAYS INTO ONE 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY.

UH, DE DAKOTA ONLY ALLOWS FOR DRIVEWAYS FRONTING ON BISHOP TO BE 24 FEET WIDE MAX.

SO THAT IS ANOTHER EXCEPTION THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUESTING.

ALSO, AS PART OF THIS PLAN, THEY WILL BE REPAIRING AND REBUILDING PORTIONS OF THE DAMAGE SIDEWALKS ON CENTRAL AND BISHOP, AND THEY'LL BE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

AND HERE YOU SEE IN THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING THOSE, UH, DIVISION FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THEY WILL BE ADDING AN MASONRY EXTERIOR FINISH, ADDITIONAL ALUMINUM STOREFRONT WINDOWS FACING CENTRAL AND ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES LIKE CANOPY AWNINGS.

AND THIS ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING IS THE FACE OF THE BUILDING FACING CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOW THEY WILL BE BRINGING THE BUILDING FROM 20 FEET HIGH, WHERE IT IS NOW TO 24 FEET TALL WITH, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE A FOUR FOOT PARAPET.

THIS CODE, UH, LIMITS BUILDINGS TO 33 FEET TALL IN THIS SUBDISTRICT.

UM, THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO BE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE CODE REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, THAT PREVENTS, UH, PROHIBITS BLANK FACADES ON FRONTAGES.

AND THE FACADE ON BISHOP, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WILL BE A PRETTY BLANK FACADE.

IT WILL CONTAIN TWO OVERHEAD DOCK DOORS THAT ARE ABOUT 16, THAT ARE 16 FEET TALL EACH.

AND THESE EXHIBITS SHOW THE ELEVATIONS FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE.

THESE IMAGES SHOW THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE AS IT IS TODAY WITH THAT EXISTING 20 FOOT TALL BUILDING.

THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE BUILDING AS SEEN FROM BISHOP AVENUE TO THE EAST.

SO TO SUMMARIZE, THE THE REQUESTED EXCEPTIONS WITH THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS TO, UM, THOSE ARE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR STORAGE TO ALLOW A BLANK FACADE ON BISHOP AVENUE TO ALLOW THE BUILDING FRONTAGE TO JUST MEET 49%.

SO THE BUILDING FRONTAGE IS RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, WHERE THE BUILDING IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT LEAST 50% AS WIDE AS THE PROPERTY IS WIDE.

UH, HOWEVER, THE BUILDING IS ONLY 49% WIDE, AND THAT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION.

UM, THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH WILL BE ANOTHER EXCEPTION AS FAR AS THE 40 FOOT WIDE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY ON BISHOP.

AND THE DRIVEWAY SPACING WILL ALSO BE ANOTHER, WILL BE ANOTHER EXCEPTION TO, UH, CAPTURE A NON-CONFORMING, UH, AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE, I'M SORRY, AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION ON THE PROPERTY.

SO IN SUMMARY, IF APPROVED, THE PROPERTY MUST BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS AND AN EVERGREEN LANDSCAPE.

SHRUB SHALL BE EIGHT FOOT TALL AT THE TIME OF PLANTING.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

AND AS I MENTIONED, WE DID RECEIVE ONE PIECE OF OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER CORRESPONDENCE.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

UM, ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, UM, DIDN'T REALLY COVER IT.

WHAT, WHY IS IT THAT THE CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY PARKING? IT'S NOT THAT THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE PARKING, IT ONLY REQUIRES ADDITIONAL PARKING IF THE BUILDING IS EXPANDED OR IF IT'S A, UH, OR IF IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO WHATEVER PARKING IT HAS TODAY, UH, IT WOULD MEET THE CODE.

UH, IN THIS CASE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE REMOVING THE, UH, THE PERPENDICULAR PARKING LOT IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES IN ORDER TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THEIR OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE SCREENED.

AND THEY'RE PROVIDING, UH, TO CUSTOMER PARKING SPACES.

AND THAT, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE FOR A TOTAL OF THREE PARKING SPACES.

NOW, WE'VE HAD INSTANCES, YEAH, WHEN OTHER USES HAVE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PARKING.

UH, BUT THE CODE ONLY REQUIRES PARKING TO BE PROVI, ADDITIONAL PARKING TO BE PROVIDED IF THE, UH, INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING OR IF IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AREN'T THEY, UH, AREN'T THEY ELIMINATING PARKING? OH, DEFINITELY.

SO, YEAH.

YEAH, THEY'RE ELIMINATING ABOUT 29 PARKING SPACES.

AND THAT MAY BE A FUNCTION OF THE TYPE OF CUSTOMERS THAT, UH, THE, UH, PROPOSED TENANT, UH, SERVICES.

AND YOU CAN, AND YOU CAN SPECIFICALLY ASK HIM FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS IN THE OPPOSITION EMAIL, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO AN ACRONYM BTZ.

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DO YOU GUYS HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I THINK IT'S BACON.

NO, IT'S, UH, .

IT'S THE BILL.

IT'S THE, UH, BILL TWO ZONE .

AND THE REASON THEY KNOW THAT IS BECAUSE SHE USED TO BE A, UH, A, UH, EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.

COMMISSIONER KELLER.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE BRIEFING SESSION, UH, THAT I HAD AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION ABOUT WAS THE SUBDISTRICT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN.

UM, CAN YOU GIVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE, UM, I MEAN, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY, BUT WHAT WAS THE PLAN FOR THIS SUBDISTRICT? LET ME GET TO THAT PORTION OF IT.

BECAUSE EACH SUB-DISTRICT HAS A KIND OF VISION AND 10TH RIGHT AREA.

SO THE VISION FOR THE INTERURBAN SUB-DISTRICT IS TO, IS TO CREATE AN EDGY MIXED USE DISTRICT BUILT UPON THE EXISTING BONES OF THE DISTRICT, FOCUSING ON ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND TARGETED INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

WHILE THE FOCUS OF THE SUBDISTRICT IS ADAPTIVE REVIEW, UH, REUSE, NEW INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO DESIRED, PROVIDED THAT IT IS DONE IN A MANNER THAT FURTHERS THE DISTRICT'S VISION.

EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS SHOULD PROMOTE DESIGN, CRE, CREATIVITY, AND UNIFY THE, THE ECLECTIC STYLE AND VISION FOR THE INTERURBAN DISTRICT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WOULD THEN ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

THAT CAN BE THE OWNER, THE ARCHITECT, THE ATTORNEY, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT.

AND MR. ARLEDGE, PLEASE, UH, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE YOUR, UH, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ALRIGHT.

SO MY NAME'S DAVID ARLEDGE.

UH, MY FAMILY MOVED IN RICHARDSON IN 1960.

I GRADUATED RICHARDSON HIGH SCHOOL IN 1968.

MY FAMILY'S HAD REAL ESTATE AND BUSINESS HERE.

WE STILL DO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY MY DAD PURCHASED IN 1974.

THERE WERE FOUR LOTS.

THERE WERE 50 FEET BY 180, AND IT WAS STILL DIRT BEEN IN THE FAMILY SINCE THAT TIME.

I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DON'T WANNA BE HERE THAT LATE.

BUT THE PROGRESSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, WELL, IT'S, IT'S SUPPORTED OUR FAMILY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

THE PLANNED, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT HAS CREATED, FROM A BUSINESSMAN STANDPOINT, VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH IN TRYING TO DEVELOP, TRYING TO SELL, TRYING TO LEASE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DELIVER TO THE CUSTOMER.

AND THE INTERURBAN SUBDIVISION IS A KIND OF, TO ME, IS KIND OF AN ORPHAN SUBDIVISION IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MANY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THERE THAT DO SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT'S HARD TO COLLECT 'EM ALL TOGETHER AND PUT AN IDENTITY ON.

AND THAT WAS EVEN IN YOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS PART OF THE STATED CHALLENGE THAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST.

UH, THIS PROPERTY, THAT BUILDING WAS STARTED IN 78, WAS WITH THE HERTZ RENTER CAR IN 98.

HERTZ GAVE IT UP, MY DAD EXPANDED IT, MADE IT AT AND T ON ONE SIDE, AVIS RENTER CAR ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AT THE TIME, THE FAR LOT DAD, UH, SITE PLANTED THE THREE LOTS TOGETHER BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, ZONING WAS EASEMENT BACKGROUND ON THE OFF OF BISHOP WAS MORE GENEROUS BECAUSE WE WERE UP AGAINST GOLD STAR LIGHTING.

SO HE DIDN'T PUT THE FOURTH LOT IN.

UM, WHEN HE PUT ALL THOSE LOTS TOGETHER, I WENT TO THE CITY LAST YEAR AND SAID, LOOK, IT'S TOO HARD TO TELL A STORY.

I'VE GOT THREE LOTS AND A 50 FOOT LOT AND PART OF THE BUILDING'S ON ONE LOT.

SO I WANNA PUT IT ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.

IF I'D HAVE KNOWN THAT I HAD A 49% FRONTAGE COVERAGE AT THE TIME, I MIGHT HAVE NOT HAVE DONE THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, A LONG HISTORY AND I'VE GOT A LONG HISTORY AND WE DON'T WANNA DO ALL THAT.

UH, THIS IS CLETUS.

CLETUS ACTUALLY IS TO KEEP ME OUT OF TROUBLE AND TALKING TOO MUCH.

CLETUS TAKE OVER AND PLEASE TELL 'EM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

AND WHILE WE'RE HERE, THAT YEAH.

AND JUST, UH, AGAIN, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

UH, MY NAME'S CLETUS BI, BUT I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR CURTIS PIPPEN DESIGN.

AND SO, UH, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT UP HERE.

AND YOUR ADDRESS? FOR MY ADDRESS? YES.

UH, WHERE I LIVE.

12 OR, OR YOUR ADDRESS? 1293 FM 8 59 EDGEWOOD,

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TEXAS.

GREAT.

UM, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU KNOW, I LISTENED TO EVERYTHING THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS, SOME OF THE ISSUES I THINK I CAN HELP MAYBE ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS ON A FEW ITEMS, BRING SOME CLARITY TO, UH, A FEW.

UH, THE TOTAL WIDTH OF THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING IS JUST UNDER, UH, A HUNDRED FEET.

THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE 49%, THE, THE LENGTH OF THE LOT IS ROUGHLY RIGHT AT 200 LINEAR FEET.

UM, THE, UH, THE REASON FOR THE 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY AREA ON THE OFF OF BISHOP IS BECAUSE THE, THE TENANT WHO IS A WHOLESALER, THE MAIN PART OF THEIR BUSINESS FOR THEIR, THEIR CLIENTELE, THEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF BIG TRUCKS THAT COME IN FOR DELIVERY AND PICKUP.

SO COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T NEED MUCH PARKING IS BECAUSE MOST EVERYBODY CALLS IT IN.

THEY ALREADY KNOW TYPICALLY WHAT PRODUCTS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY GET THERE.

BUT THERE IS, THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE STORING PRODUCT THERE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS AND WANTS TO JUST STEP IN AND, AND TAKE A LOOK.

BUT THEIR, I THINK THEIR LARGEST TRUCK IS ABOUT 60 FEET AND, AND TO COME IN.

AND THEY TYPICALLY COME IN OFF OF BISHOP, NOT OFF OF CENTRAL.

SO, UM, THEY, THEY NEED THAT SPACE TO MANEUVER THE TRUCK WITHOUT CREATING DAMAGE TO ALL THE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CREATING QUITE A BIT OF AN INVESTMENT IN THIS HEDGE AND AND FENCE AREA.

THERE'S ALSO WATER METERS OVER HERE AND, AND LIGHT POLES THAT ARE EXISTING.

SO HAVING THAT EXTRA WIDTH REALLY GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO MANEUVER THEIR, USING THEIR OPERATIONS IN THIS SPACE.

UM, I KNOW IT IS THE, IN I IT'S BEEN STATED AT THE INTENT OF THE CODE IS THAT YOU'RE LIMITED TO 24 FEET ON BISHOP, BUT RESPECTFULLY, THE CODE, ALL THE CODE SAYS ABOUT DRIVEWAY LENGTH.

IS THAT ANYTHING FRONTING CENTRAL ALLOWS 40 FEET AND ALL OTHER PROPERTY, UH, IS 24.

SO IT TECHNICALLY DOESN'T REALLY RESTRICT YOU DOWN TO 24 ON BISHOP, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT'S THE INTENT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION THERE.

UM, THE STORAGE IS MAXIMIZED HERE, BUT THAT ISN'T PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE, THE FULLY USED AT ALL TIMES.

THE, THE IDEA FOR NEEDING THE STORAGE IS WHEN THEY HAVE PRODUCT THAT CAN'T FIT IN THE BUILDING, THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS, THEY'RE GONNA NEED FROM TIME TO TIME HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE JUST TO, TO MAKE UP FOR WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IN BUILDING.

UM, SO IT IS, IT ISN'T THEIR PRIMARY USE TO STORE THINGS OUT THERE.

UH, Y'ALL ASKED ABOUT MATERIALS AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE.

IT'S BUILDING MATERIALS.

IT'S NOT JUST LUMBER BY THE WAY.

IT IS LIMITED TO EIGHT FEET AS NOTED.

UM, AND JUST ABOUT THE, THE DRIVEWAYS ON THE NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, BECAUSE OF WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS TODAY, IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY, THE REASON WE TOOK AWAY THE PARKING ON THE FRONT IS 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET YOUR CURRENT CODE.

YOU CAN'T REALLY GET THE PROPER DRIVEWAY WIDTH WITH THE WAY THE, THE WAY THOSE SITES WERE, THE WAY THOSE PARKING SPACES WERE STRIPED AND THEY DIDN'T MEET CURRENT CODE AND IT DIDN'T REALLY PROVIDE ANY USE TO THEIR FUTURE TENANT.

IT DOESN'T REALLY NEED A LOT OF PARKING FOR THIS.

UM, AND TO, TO TAKE AWAY ONE OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS, OR EVEN TO BRING IT DOWN TO, TO BRING IT DOWN TO ONE 'CAUSE OF WHERE THAT EXISTING BUILDING IS, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TURNING RADIUSES AND, AND GET THINGS IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T MOVE THE DRIVEWAYS DOWN TO ONE ON THAT AREA.

UM, AND UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY SOMETHING IS THE WAY IT IS.

MOST OF THIS IS VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON HIS FUTURE TENANTS NEEDS.

WE ALWAYS HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

YEAH, JUST A, JUST A, UH, TWO OR THREE QUICK ONES.

THE, THE FIRST ONE IS OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS THERE.

THEY USED TO BE, I THINK LIKE A CABINET BUSINESS THERE OR SOMETHING.

I CAN'T REMEMBER.

MM-HMM.

UM, BUT THERE WAS NO, UH, AND THE STAFF COULD JUMP IN IF THEY WANT TO.

THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC THAT WASN'T CAUSING A PROBLEM FOR ANYBODY BECAUSE THEY HAD THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS OFF OF NORTH CENTRAL.

IS ANYBODY AWARE OF ANY ISSUES THAT IT HAD CREATED IN THE PAST? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO.

SO BECAUSE IT'S CREATED NO ISSUES IN THE PAST, I THINK WE CAN ASSUME IT DOESN'T, IT WON'T CREATE ANY ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.

UM, IS THE, IS THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE BISHOP SIDE OF THAT GOING TO LOCK? IS THAT GONNA BE A GATE THAT YOU DRIVE ACROSS THERE? YES, SIR.

THAT BOTH, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO GATES YOU'LL SEE THERE, UH, AND UP.

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OVER THERE.

ONE HERE AND ONE DOWN TO THE, TO THE, UH, EAST.

EXCELLENT.

AND THOSE GATES ARE BI PARTING GATES.

AND THE INTENT FOR THOSE GATES ARE TO BE LOCKABLE AND OFF HOURS OPEN ON REGULAR HOURS.

AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, FOR FIRE ACCESS, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL NEED TO COORDINATE WITH YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY'LL HAVE EITHER, WHETHER IT'S A KEY FOB OR WHETHER IT'S A A, A KEYPAD OR SOME SORT OF ACCESS TO THEM, THAT FOR EMERGENCIES TO OPEN THOSE GATES, UH, AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THEY'RE OPEN WITH THE TRASH PICKUP TIMES.

SO WOULD YOU HAVE, UM, SOME LIKE, LOADING EQUIPMENT ON THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, A, A FORKLIFT OR STUFF LIKE THAT? YEAH, THERE TIMES WILL BE FOR OKAY.

SO TO UNLOAD THE TRUCKS AND, YEAH.

THAT, THAT'S FINE.

SO THAT WOULD BE PART OUT THERE.

I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO VISUALIZE A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS WHY, UM, DO YOU THINK IT'S REASONABLE OR ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THE IDEA OF ESSENTIALLY SPRUCING UP THIS BISHOP SIDE OF THAT BUILDING TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A, A, A FRONTAGE? SO, WELL, I'M AMENABLE TO IT.

I GET PAID EXTRA MONEY .

UM, IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT, THAT'S REALLY A MORE OF A FAIR QUESTION TO, TO MY CLIENT.

BUT WHAT, BUT I WOULD SAY ONE THING, THE REASON IT DIDN'T GET UPGRADED WAS BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING AND HIS TENANT DIDN'T NEED IT.

BUT, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S ABOUT COST.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S CONSIDERABLE COST TO PUT THAT KIND OF ARTICULATION INTO THE FACADE THAT'S NOT NEEDED OR AS FAKE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, WELL, YEAH, IT, IT WOULD BE PURELY, IT'S PURELY IT, IT WOULD BE PURELY VALUE.

BUT THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S NOT A HUGE PART OF THE PROJECT EITHER.

BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU SAW THE BEGINNING PICTURES AND THE END PICTURES, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO MAKE THINGS LOOK BETTER.

TO UPGRADE.

GO AHEAD.

ONE OF MY MOTIVATIONS, ONE OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT I INHERITED FROM MY DAD WAS A HERTZ RENTER CAR OVER IN NORTH RICHLAND HILLS.

AND IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, I HAD A GOOD TENANT OVER THERE.

HE CALLED ME ON COVID AND SAID, HEY DAVID, I GOTTA GIVE YOU YOUR LOT BACK TO YOU.

'CAUSE I CAN'T BUY ENOUGH CARS TO STOCK THIS LOT.

AND THAT PROPERTY WAS LIKE, THIS PROPERTY BOUGHT IN SEVENTIES, NO MONEY SPENT ON IT FOR 40, 50 YEARS.

'CAUSE IT WAS A CASH COW.

AND I WENT OVER THERE, I LOOKED AT MY PROPERTY, I STUDIED IT.

I SPENT $250,000 GIVING IT A FACELIFT.

A GOOD FACELIFT.

BUT I KNEW WHAT I WAS GONNA DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.

I WAS GONNA MAKE IT A USED CAR LOT.

I KNOW THE USED CAR BUSINESS, I TURNED THAT LOT INTO WEWORKS.

I NOW HAVE FOUR DEALERS, EACH ONE, THAT INVENTORY IS 20 CARS.

MY REVENUE WENT UP FROM $50,000 A YEAR TO $160,000 A YEAR.

MY TENANTS PAY A THIRD OF WHAT MY ONE TENANT WAS PAYING THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY MORE THAN DOUBLED BECAUSE OF THE CASH FLOW.

AND DURING THAT PERIOD, I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW TO INVEST MONEY IN REAL ESTATE, HOW TO CREATE VALUE AND HOW TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MARKETPLACE.

I BORROWED MY MONEY AGAINST THAT PROPERTY.

I CAME TO RICHARDSON WITH THE SAME PROJECT, GOT A PIECE OF PROPERTY, NOT SPEND ANY MONEY ON IT FOR 50, 60 YEARS.

I GOTTA LEAVE IT AS A LEGACY.

AND I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO IT.

I'M WILLING TO PUT THAT GOOD LANDSCAPE THERE BECAUSE IT CREATES THE, INCREASES THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY.

IT MAKES IT LOOK BETTER.

LIKE, SO THERE MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE TABLING THIS.

IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.

AND YEAH, I WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN THAT DISTRICT TO START UPGRADING FOR THE PPD, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND ME.

BUT I'LL GET MY MONEY BACK OVER TIME.

AND THEN I'LL CREATE THIS PROPERTY, SPEND THE MONEY ON IT, MAKE IT FIRST CLASS.

SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING YOU ARE WILLING TO PUT A LITTLE MONEY INTO THE FACADE? UH, YOU NOW, THE, THE, I LOVE THAT GREEN.

I DON'T WANT TO BUILD A WALL.

WALL FALLS DOWN IN FIVE 10.

NO, NO, NOT, NOT THE WALL.

HE'S REFERRING.

IF YOU GO TO THIS ATION YEAH, YEAH.

THE THIS.

SO EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH THE BACK OF THAT LOOKS LIKE A BACK OF A BUILDING, HE'S WANTING TO KNOW IF YOU ARE WILLING TO HELP.

LET ME MAYBE TO ARTICULATE IT MORE LIKE THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE THAT DECISION.

WE'RE NOT TALKING, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A BUILDING PLAN.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION COST Y YEAH, I KNOW, BUT, BUT THE, THE, THE, I'M NOT GONNA COMMIT TO SOMETHING TILL I KNOW WHAT IT COSTS.

AND IF I COMMIT TO IT HERE, I DON'T WANNA BE HELD TO IT.

WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, YEAH.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.

BUT THAT MIGHT BE PART OF, UH, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE THING THAT YOU'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST IS, THIS IS ON BISHOP AND BISHOP IS NEEDS FRONTAGE.

UM, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE FRONTAGE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE BACK OF A BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WINDOWS.

THERE'S NO OBVIOUS ENTRANCE.

UM, SO THO THOSE, THAT'S THE ISSUE YOU'RE RUNNING INTO AND THAT'S THE CODE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY DESIRE THAT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

SO THAT'S

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WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE TO GET THE, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE.

UM, SO DAVID, THE, THE WAY THAT THIS IS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED TO US IS THE PLAN COMMISSION IS THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT B AND THE ELEVATIONS ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT C.

WHAT DID HE SAY? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HE'S SAYING THAT WE'RE SAYING IT'LL BE PERFORMANCE.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING ASKED BEFORE US IS TO PROVE THAT, THAT THOSE PLANS RIGHT THERE.

SO, SO HERE'S OUR UNDERSTANDING.

IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST THE SITE PLAN, IT'S ALSO THE ELEVATION PLAN AND, AND THE MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

SO, UH, THAT'S A KEY PART OF THIS DECISION HERE.

YOU KNOW, IS IT, IT'D HAVE TO BE A CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US IN OUR PACKAGE.

CORRECT.

UNLESS WE WERE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF MODIFICATION.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THAT'S STANDARD FOR US TO PUT, INCLUDE THIS LANGUAGE IN, IN PLANS, UM, WHETHER THAT'S A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR PD OR AN ORDINANCE, WE TYPICALLY DO INCLUDE THAT CONDITION THAT THE SITE MUST BE DEVELOPED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN, CONCEPT PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING, SO, I'M SORRY.

UH, SO ONE THING WE GOTTA REMEMBER, EVEN THOUGH YOUR CURRENT COACH ARE, ARE ASKING YOU TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON BOTH SIDES, THE BUILDING FROM, FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT HAS A BACK, IT HAS A, IT, IT SERVICE.

ANY RETAIL OR WHOLESALE HAS TO HAVE A BACK BECAUSE IT'S A LOADING AND UNLOADING PROCESS.

IT'S NOT TRULY A FRONT.

AND SO BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING, RIGHT.

UH, AND IT'S ACTUALLY AN EXISTING CMU BUILDING, UH, UH, WHICH MEANS THAT ALL THAT WALL THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO ARTICULATE AND PUT FAKE FACADES ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S AN, IT'S A COST FACTOR.

RIGHT? AND SO WHAT WE'RE, BECAUSE WE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVING IT, BUT MAYBE WE'RE ASKING AS A PD, SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR, UH, FOR Y'ALL TO TAKE, UH, ALLOW US TO NOT MEET THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE CODE.

UM, BUT YOU ARE WILLING TO MEET EVERYTHING YOU PRESENTED.

THE YES WE ARE GOING, THAT IS THE INTENT.

THERE MAY BE SLIGHT DIFFERENCES WHEN THE FINAL DESIGN COMES.

SUBSTAN.

BUT IT SUBSTANTIALLY, SUBSTANTIALLY IN LINE CONFORMING TO WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

NOW WHEN WE GET OUR COST, YOU MAY NOT GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, BUT IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, YES.

IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.

AND THEN YOU'D HAVE, IF IT WAS GONNA BE A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK.

I IF YOU WERE TO GET APPROVED.

ABSOLUTELY.

YES, SIR.

AND I THINK THAT YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING THERE, THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING AND IF WE GO BACK AND MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WHERE IT DOESN'T MEET THIS, I LIKE THIS.

SO HE'S SAYING THAT IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN.

IF WE CHANGE IT, IF WE CHANGE IT SIGNIFICANTLY, WE'RE CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY.

I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED YEAH, GO AHEAD.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO THIS SLIDE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S JUST A SCALE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED, BUT IS THAT NORTH WALL GOING TO MOVE FURTHER NORTH? NO WALLS ON THE EXTERIOR GOING TO MOVE IN ANY DIRECTION.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO THAT'S JUST A SCALE DIFFERENCE THERE.

THEN WHAT? I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS JUST A SCALE ISSUE.

MM-HMM, .

THE PICTURE MUST HAVE BEEN SHR SOME THAT'S THAT DAD DID FOR VIS THAT RULE.

I THINK RAISING, RAISING THE ROOF IS ONE THING, BUT MOVING THAT WALL WOULD MAKE IT A NO, WE'RE NOT MOVING ANY WALLS OUTWARD.

UM, IT'S, UH, WHAT WE ARE HAVING TO DO, AGAIN, IT'S ONLY REASON WE'RE MODIFYING THE BUILDING AT ALL OTHER THAN SOME FINISHES IS BECAUSE OUR TENANT NEEDS A HIGHER CLEAR WIDTH.

OH, I UNDERSTAND.

A CLEAR SPACE UNDERNEATH.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HE NEEDS 16.

WELL, HE'S ONLY GOT 16 TO THE ROOF.

SO THERE'S, AND SO WE, WE HAVE BASICALLY THREE AND A HALF FEET OF BAR JOISTS THAT RESTRICTS HIS CLEARANCE NEEDS.

SO WE'RE MOVING THE ROOF UP FOUR FEET AND WE'RE INCLUDING A PARAPET THAT COVERS ANY KIND OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH WON'T BE ANY, PROBABLY WON'T BE MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF TO THREE FEET.

SO I HAVE ANOTHER MINOR QUESTION.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, UH, SORT OF THE OVERHEAD VIEW THAT SHOWS THE BUILDING LOOKING DOWN ON THE SIDE PLAN? YES.

THAT, THAT, THAT ONE YEAH.

THAT'S A PLAN AT THE, UM, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S A, A FAIRLY LARGE SECTION OF, UH, UH, CONCRETE THERE.

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IS IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO MEET YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S NOT OUT QUESTION.

WE'RE OPPOSED TO PUTTING PARKING THERE.

IT'S JUST, IF I DO, IT WON'T MEET YOUR YOUR THE NEED FOR TURNING FOR TURNING.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH DEPTH FOR THE, FOR THEM TO MOVE IN.

SO I CAN GET THE PARKING ITSELF IN THERE.

BUT YOU'LL BE UNDER, YOU'LL BE LESS THAN THE, I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER IT IS, BUT WE, WE CHECKED IT.

YOU'LL BE SHORT.

THE TURNING IS TO BEING ABLE TO PULL OUT, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT FROM USING, USING LIKE A 45 AND A, YOU KNOW, USING SLANTED PARKING.

BUT IT JUST, THAT WHOLE SECTION IS JUST NOT QUITE WIDE ENOUGH FOR THAT.

WHAT, WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATION OF HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, BUSINESS EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS BUILDING? WELL, THE, HIS EMPLOYEE, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES HE HAS FOR THIS IS GONNA BE PRETTY SMALL ACTUALLY.

IT'S JUST HE'S GONNA HAVE SOMEONE WORKING IN A COUNTER.

A CASH RECEPTION.

HE'S GOT HIS, HE'S GONNA HAVE PROBABLY AT LEAST ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN THEIR OFFICES AND THEN A FEW PEOPLE TO LOAD AND UNLOAD.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT A BIG, IT'S NOT A LARGE EMPLOYEE NUMBER.

SO, AND HE DOES, KEEP IN MIND, HE DOES HAVE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FOR OTHER EMPLOYEE PARKING IF WANTS TO.

SO THEY COULD PARK ACROSS THE STREET IF THEY NEED TO, BUT HE DOESN'T ANTICIPATE NEEDING EXTRA BARKING FOR THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I HAVE, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

WAS THERE, UH, NOT A TRAFFIC STUDY WARRANTED FOR THIS? UM, NO.

THERE WAS NOT OUR TRAFFIC, OUR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS DID REVIEW THE PLANS THOUGH, AND THEY DIDN'T FIND OR HAVE ANY COMMENT ON IT.

WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT, AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WHENEVER THERE'S A CHANGE IN ZONING.

UH, THIS ISN'T A CHANGE IN ZONING SINCE THE USES ARE ALLOWED OR WE IN, OR WE ENCOUNTER A USE THAT IS MORE INTENSE THAN, THAN, THAN, LET'S SAY THE CURRENT USE IS, UH, IT'S RETAIL WHOLESALE IN NATURE.

SO WE DIDN'T IT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WARRANTED A, A TRAFFIC STUDY.

NOW WHAT WE DO, UH, REQUIRE SOMETIMES IF IT IS A TRAFFIC MEMO, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S A COMPARISON OF WHAT'S ANTICIPATED AS TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT, THAT THE USE IS GOING TO PROJECT.

WE USE THAT, WE USE THAT AS A PRELIMINARY INDICATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO PROCEED TO A FULL, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT DIDN'T WARRANT EITHER ONE OF THEM.

UM, HOW MANY TRUCKS PER DAY DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT ONE? I WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO ASK THE TENANT ON HOW MANY TRUCKS DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE SEEING ON A DAILY BASIS ON THIS SIDE? DO I UNLOAD TO UNLOAD AND PICK UP 2, 3, 2 TO THREE? AND FOR, UM, CUSTOMERS PICKING UP SUPPLIES COULD BE 8, 20, 15 TO 20 IS WHAT HE SAID.

SO THE BIG TRUCKS WOULD BE THE TWO TO THREE.

MEAN 15 TO 20 WOULD BE SMALL TRUCKS.

A LOT OF YOUR, A LOT OF YOUR TRUCKS OR A LOT OF HIS CLIENTS ARE GONNA HAVE A SMALLER TRUCK THAN THAT BECAUSE IT'S CONTRACTORS PICKING UP.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PUTTING IN 60 FOOT BED TRUCKS FOR, FOR BUYING AND, AND PICKING UP.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY FINAL CLOSING COMMENTS WE NEED TO SAY? ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

NO SIR.

NOT NEED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE.

OTHER THAN THANK YOU.

UH, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND SO AT THIS TIME WE WOULD ASK, UH, ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, UH, THIS APPLICATION.

UH, NOW'S NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE, UH, UH, ONE COMMENT, UH, IN OPPOSITION, UH, TO THE REQUEST.

UM, ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE LIKE COME FORWARD.

USE NOT BEING APPROPRIATE, UH, AND, AND, UH, CONSEQUENCES OF THAT.

SEE NO COMMENTS.

I'D MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER BEACH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER SUTHER.

IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, UH, THE LETTER WE WE RECEIVED IN, UH, IN OPPOSITION, UM, SEEMS MORE ABOUT THE INTENDED

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SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, UH, UH, SINCE THE USE IS PERMITTED HERE, UH, I I CAN'T SEE THAT THERE'S MUCH TO, UH, REMEDY THIS PERSON'S COMPLAINT THAT WE COULD DO.

COMMISSIONER BEACH, I DO HAVE A BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE FRONTAGE ONTO BISHOP LOOKING LIKE THE BACK OF A BUILDING.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE, THAT WOULD DO SOMETHING, I BELIEVE, TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE USAGE AND THE WAY IT APPEARS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

IF IT DIDN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE THE BACK OF A BUILDING.

SO TO ME, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND COULD BE, IT'D BE A HECK OF A LOT EASIER TO DO UP FRONT THAN IT WOULD BE AFTER THE FACT.

BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.

WELL, YOU COULD SAY THOUGH THAT THE, UM, THE IRON FENCE AND THE EIGHT FOOT TALL LANDSCAPING, UH, ALSO LOOKS BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY.

AND, UM, BUILDING STILL LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY LOW BAR.

THAT'S, IT'S A REALLY A LITTLE BAR TO MAKE IT LOOK FAIR THAN IT DOES NOT.

MR. KELLER.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ON THAT POINT TOO, I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUBDISTRICT AND WHAT'S THERE AND THE IDEA OF WHAT WAS MENTIONED FOR THE VISION OF THE SUBDISTRICT.

ALTHOUGH I THINK EVERYONE WOULD HOPE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD TURN INTO SOMETHING THAT'S THIS ECLECTIC MIX.

UH, WE DO HAVE THE TENANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE ALONG CENTRAL AND HAVE BEEN THERE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE THERE.

UM, AND WHILE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE BISHOP FRONTAGE ISSUE AND THE BLANK FACADE THERE, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, SO TO SPEAK, AND SEE WHETHER, UH, THAT REALLY MATTERS IN THIS INSTANCE.

UM, AND, AND KIND OF HOLDING THAT ISSUE, MY TWO SENSES, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS LOOK, ALTHOUGH, UM, PERHAPS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FRONTAGE, UM, ON BISHOP, UH, IS KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE REST OF THAT AREA.

YEAH, JOE, YEAH, I, I, I THINK I AGREE AND, AND ACTUALLY WHAT REALLY UNDERSCORES IT TO ME, IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF DISTRICT CHANGE OR SOMETHING MUCH HEAVIER HAPPENS AND THIS WERE TO CHANGE USES, I THINK THEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO BE PERFECT FRONTAGE, I KIND OF THINK SOME OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE FENCE, WITH THE HEDGE, YOU'RE GETTING HALFWAY THERE.

SO MAYBE THE NEXT TENANT WHO MOVES IN, YOU SAY, OKAY, LOOK, THIS IS A FULLY VIBRANT, BISHOP IS A FULLY VIBRANT AREA AND YOU HAVE TO RESPECT IT NOW, AND YOU HAVE TO DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE.

BUT FOR THEIR PURPOSES AND FOR KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT AREA, I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING PART OF THE WAY THERE.

I I, I DON'T, AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A HUGE COST EITHER WAY.

SO, BUT IT MIGHT BE THE TYPE OF THING THE COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW.

NO, I, OKAY.

MY FINAL COMMENT ON IT, I MEAN, UH, IF WE'VE SAID, AND APPARENTLY WE HAVE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS, I, I GUESS THAT'S THE CODE NOW.

IS THAT RIGHT THEN TO SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE WE HADN'T HAD IT IN THE PAST.

UH, IT'S IRRELEVANT TO WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

WE'VE MADE THE DECISION AS A CITY THAT WE WANT THIS TO BE DIFFERENT AND TO LOOK DIFFERENT AND TO FEEL DIFFERENT.

AND SO NOW TO SAY, WELL, YEAH, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO THOUGH.

DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY SETTING A GOOD PRECEDENT FOR, FOR WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY ELSE HERE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, GARY, THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS FINE.

YOU DON'T DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET, BUT TWICE A YEAR DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU.

GOT IT.

BUT, UH, I THINK IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT FIT WITHIN WHAT WE HAVE SAID AS A CITY THAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE WITH FRONTAGE ON BOTH SIDES, WE GOTTA START SOMEWHERE TO MAKE CHANGES.

AND IF WE DON'T DO IT HERE, WHERE DO WE DO IT? SO THAT'S IT.

I JUST THINK THIS CASE IS UNIQUE IN THAT WE HAVE THE DOUBLE FRONTAGE ISSUE, UM, WHICH PROBABLY MY GUESS WOULD BE IS THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY THAT, THAT HAVE A DOUBLE FRONTAGE, UH, SITUATION, NUMBER ONE.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS? I'M GOOD, THANK YOU.

OH, COMMISSIONER KELLER.

UH, I WAS JUST GONNA BRIEFLY REPLY TO THAT.

I MEAN, I, I AGREE.

UM, GENERALLY WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE, GARY, I MEAN, I THINK WE DEFINITELY, UM, IN ALL OF OUR CASES WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, SETTING THE RIGHT PRECEDENT.

UM, AND

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AND THEN NUMBER TWO, I THINK WE HAVE TO COUPLE THAT, UM, AS A HOLISTIC CONSIDERATION OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, WITH DOES IT WORK IN THIS CASE? I MEAN, IS THAT CONSIDERATION IMPORTANT? RECOGNIZING THAT THAT IS THE GENERAL RULE? DO WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS, IS TO CONSIDER VARIANCES.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, SOMETIMES WE GRANT VARIANCES OR WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE GRANTED AND, AND OTHER TIMES WE DON'T.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO TAKE THAT HOLISTIC VIEW ON THIS PROJECT.

RECOGNIZING WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT SETTING THE PRECEDENT, COMMISSIONER SUTHER, UM, THAT RAISES IN MY MIND WHAT, WHAT SORT OF MINIMUM, UH, DIFFERENCE IN THE PROPOSED, UH, BISHOP FACING, UH, WALL, YOU KNOW, BLANK WALL MAYBE BETWEEN THE TWO PERSONNEL DOORS BY CONSTITUTE ENOUGH TO, UH, UH, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A, UH, A FRONTAGE.

UH, COULD IT BE SIGNAGE OR, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN BRIEFING, UH, SOME, SOME SORT OF FALSE WINDOW, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TOLERABLE COST-WISE, THAT THAT MIGHT NOT MAKE IT SO OBVIOUS.

IT'S THE BACK OF A BUILDING.

UH, AND IN, IN FACT THE IDEA OF, UH, WELL, A FALSE WINDOW WITH SIGNAGE ABOVE THIS THAT INDICATES WHAT SORT OF BUSINESS IT IS MIGHT, MIGHT HELP GIVE THAT ILLUSION OF A FRONTAGE.

AND CAN WE TAKE A QUESTION FROM THE APPLICANT? YES.

UH, YOU HAD COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM, WOULD YOU MIND TO GO TO THE THANK YOU THINGS THAT ARE EASY TO DO THAT MAKE COMMON SENSE, A LITTLE WINDOW, A LITTLE FRONTAGE, A LITTLE DRESSING ON THAT, WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

IF WE DON'T CALL THAT SUBSTANTIAL AND WE APPROVE THIS, I PROMISE YOU YOU'LL LIKE WHAT WE DO.

I CAN DO STUFF LIKE THAT.

I'M HAPPY TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT.

I'VE GOT A LONG HISTORY OF BEING WITH THIS CITY AND WORKING WITH THE CITY TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

MY MY IMPRESSION IS THAT, UH, UH, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SATISFY MY CONCERNS.

NOW, OF COURSE, THIS DOES HAVE TO GO BEFORE COUNSEL.

YOU UNDERSTAND? SO, AND, AND WE CAN FIX THAT UP BEFORE WE GO TO COUNSEL.

YEAH, YOU CAN COME BACK.

GO AHEAD AND DESIGN IT FOR .

WELL, YOU MAY NOT, YOU MIGHT WANNA TALK TO YOUR CLIENT.

I CAN EASILY, I CAN PRO, I CAN COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS THAT MEET YOUR ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL BE SENSITIVE TO HIS BUDGET STRICTLY BY MANAGING WHAT IS ACTUALLY NEW MASONRY VERSUS WHAT IS OLD MASONRY CREATES A RELIEF.

SO THE, AND CAN CREATE A, A FACADE, A FRONT FACADE LOOK.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

LIKE, UH, YOU MENTIONED ARTICULATION.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED YOU TO, UH, PUT OUR ARTICULATION IN THE WALLS, BUT SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE IDEA.

WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

LIKE IF YOU GO TO THE FRONT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, I CAN CREATE A SIMILAR, UH, SCALE AND, UM, CONSISTENT VERNACULAR FOR THE BUILDING.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, PROB IT'S PROBABLY WOULD BE A, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT, THAT WOOD PANEL LOOK.

BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A WINDOW.

YEAH, WELL THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE.

WINDOW IS JUST, WHAT I WOULD NOT WANNA DO IS PUT STOREFRONT THAT DOESN'T ACT AS STOREFRONT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM.

BUT IT WOULDN'T BE VERY HARD FOR ME TO CREATE A SIMILAR SCALE AND LOOK, THAT WOULD BE SENSITIVE TO, TO THE BUDGET WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE OVERHEAD DOORS AND LOOKING AT THE WINDOWS AND THE, UH, WEST FACING ELEVATION.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD MAKE 'EM WINDOWS WITH PAINT.

WELL, THE DOORS, WE CAN UPGRADE THE DOORS, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE 'EM, TO GIVE IT A BETTER LOOK.

BUT I, WHAT I'M SPEAKING TO IS, IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE DOORS AND LOOK AT THE SCALE OF THIS, OF THOSE WINDOWS, I CAN PULL BACK THE MASONRY AND CREATE A, A RECESS THAT CREATES THAT SIMILAR PUNCHED LOOK.

BUT IT'S NOT WINDOW,

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AND THEN THE DOOR IS JUST PART OF THAT INSET.

THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

AND POSSIBLY MAYBE EVEN COMING ACROSS WITH A, A CANOPY THAT CREATES A, A, A BIT OF LINEAR BREAK BETWEEN THE FACADE.

'CAUSE PART OF THE, WHAT'S BOTHERING FROM THE BACK OF IT IS THAT IT'S A FLAT WALL WITH NO LINEAR PROJECTION.

I MIGHT ASK WHAT, UH, MICHAEL, MR. KELLER AND MR. BEACH THINK OF THAT SORT OF, UH, WOULD THAT SATISFY YOUR, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE PUTTING US DOWN THE PATH OF WHAT WE SAID WE WANT ON BISHOP.

SO YEAH, I'D, I'D FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

UM, CERTAINLY A MOVEMENT, UH, IN THE DIRECTION OF CHANGING IT, UH, FROM JUST THE, THE BLANK FACADE.

SO IT SOUNDS, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

MAKE IT LOOK MORE INTERESTING.

IF I MIGHT ADD, IF FOR ANY REASON, FOR SOME REASON HE HAS TO CHANGE TENANTS AND IT DOES GO BACK TO RETAIL, THAT WOULD MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR ME TO REPLACE THOSE PIECES WITH GLASS AND MAKE IT STOREFRONT IF NEEDED TO BE GOOD.

UM, SO YOU'D HAVE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S PROGRESS.

YES, I AGREE.

BY ITSELF, I'D EXPECT 30 TO $35 SQUARE FOOT RENTS, AND THAT'D BE GREAT, EXCEPT THAT'S ONLY 4,000 FEET AND IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY.

SPRINT.

I'M JUST BEEN SITTING HERE .

SO, UM, I DO, UM, AGREE WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT, UM, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT EVERYTHING, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, CREATING THE ILLUSION OF A STOREFRONT IN THE BACK.

SO THEN MY QUESTION IS, IF WE DO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, COULD WE MAKE AN A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS, AS WE MENTIONED? IS THAT HOW THE WORK, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR ALMOST ANYTHING.

SO YES, I GUESS YOU SENSIBLE FOR THAT.

YEAH, I I I THINK RATHER THAN TRY TO TABLE IT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO COME BACK BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S, I I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM AND WE WANNA KEEP IN WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE REVITALIZATION.

IT LOOKS VERY INDUSTRIAL IN THE BACK, SO, CORRECT.

YEAH, I MEAN, BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, STAFF AND THE ARCHITECT, UH, WE BOTH HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF, OF, OF WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE USE OF SOME METAL MAYBE TO CREATE WHAT WOULD BE THE WINDOW FRAME FOR THE GARAGE, UH, SINCE IT MIMICS THE, THE, THE, UH, THE STOREFRONT ON THE WEST ELEVATION, YOU COULD THROW IN SOME, SOME FAUX WINDOWS.

HE'S GONNA HAVE TO, UH, TAKE OUT SOME OF THE BRICK IN ORDER TO INSET IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS INSTEAD OF JUST A PICTURE FRAME ON A, SO THERE, UH, SO THERE ARE WAYS, UH, TO REDESIGN THAT, UH, INCLUDING THE, UH, ADDITION OF SOME CANOPIES TO, TO KIND OF GIVE IT ALSO THAT CONSISTENT LOOK OH, BASICALLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.

UH, SO I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.

COULD, COULD YOU SUGGEST, UH, HOW TO, UH, INCORPORATE THAT INTO A PHRASE IN THE MOTION QUESTION? LEMME THINK ABOUT THAT.

, OR MAYBE SABRINA HAS AN IDEA THERE.

I'LL HAVE TO WRITE THAT OUT.

I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, I, I JUST THINK THAT THAT MIGHT EVEN HELP WITH THE COUNCIL'S DECISION MAKING ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

OR PERHAPS.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, THE APPLICANT HAS A, A PHRASE THAT MIGHT ADD, I WOULD USE A PHRASE OF JUST A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE CITY COMMITTEE, THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW MEETING, REVISIT THEM.

SO, SO WHY DON'T WE SAY, UM, HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE, UH, APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONAL, UH, THAT THE BISHOP SIDE OF THE BUILDING MIMIC THE, UH, THE, THE, THE CENTRAL SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS UNDERSTOOD BY STAFF AND THE, UH, ARCHITECT.

I THINK THAT'S OPENING, THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST SAYING IT'S GONNA BE GLASS.

WELL MIMIC, YOU KNOW, MIMIC THE MIMICS THE UP THERE MAYBE, OR YEAH.

OR BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK, WE GOT SOMETHING DAVID.

SO WHEN I WAS TRYING TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK UP, DAVID, TO THE .

THIS PROPERTY HAS TWO MARKETS.

IT'S LITERALLY, I THOUGHT ABOUT DIVIDING THE PROPERTY IN HALF AND BUILDING A BUILDING BACK HERE FOR BISHOP AND BUILDING A BUILDING UP HERE.

THE FACADE THAT I'VE GOT FOR CENTRAL IS TRYING TO BE A HIGH-END RETAIL OFFICE BUILDING TYPE.

I WANT CATS, MEOW.

YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, YOU SEE IT.

THAT'S SOMEPLACE YOU WANT TO BE.

IF I DID THE BUILDING

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SO I'M SAYING LET'S MARKET THIS BUILDING BASED ON ITS NEIGHBORS.

LET'S MARKET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AS RETAIL.

AND LET'S LOOK AT THE BACKSIDE.

WHAT'S BACK THERE? IT'S HORTON'S, IT'S THE ROOFING COMPANY, IT'S THE BACK END OF ALL THOSE LITTLE RED SHOPS.

IT'S THE BACK END OF GOLD STAR LIGHTING.

THIS IS ALREADY BETTER THAN ALL MY NEIGHBORS.

IT'S ALREADY BETTER THAN ALL MY NEIGHBORS, EXCEPT FOR THE ATTORNEYS THAT BOUGHT THE LITTLE WHITE HOUSE AND PUT, THAT'S A GREAT LOOKING LOOK.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO SAY IS NOT MIMIC THE BACKSIDE TO THE FRONT, BECAUSE NOW I'VE COMMITTED TO MAKE THIS A RETAIL FACE REWORD YOUR, WHERE IT'S COMPATIBLE HEAD AND SHOULDERS COMPATIBLE WITH MY NEIGHBORS.

LET IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE BRICK.

LET ME GIVE IT A REALLY NICE UPDR AND LET ME PUT SOME WINDOWS IN IT.

LET ME PUT SOME DESIGN TO IT.

BUT REMEMBER, MY COMPETITION IS HORTON'S.

IT'S THE BACK END OF ALL THESE OTHER STREETS.

IT'S THE BACK END OF GOLD STAR LIGHTING.

I DON'T NEED TO BE PUTTING ALL THAT GLASS BACK ON THE BACKSIDE.

I, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT PUT IN THERE.

UM, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT IN GENERAL ABOUT OVERALL THE APPLICATION.

I HAVEN'T REALLY SAID MUCH ABOUT THIS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE INTERURBAN SUB-DISTRICT PLAN, AS WE HEARD FROM STAFF, IS MEANT TO BE SORT OF THIS EDGY MIXED USE, ADAPTIVE REUSE, NEW INFILL.

I MEAN, THE CITY OBVIOUSLY, AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAD A PLAN AND A VISION TO TRANSFORM THIS DISTRICT OVER TIME, RIGHT? UH, BUT, BUT I DID, I I THINK THE WORD EDGY AND MIXED USE AND ECLECTIC IS ANOTHER TERM THAT'S USED IN THERE.

CERTAINLY SUGGESTS LIVE WORK IS PART OF THAT TOO.

YOU KNOW, THI THIS IS GONNA BE, THIS ISN'T ALL GONNA BE THE SAME IN THIS DISTRICT, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.

AND, UH, UM, THE, THE, THE GOAL IS TO TRANSFORM IT BECAUSE IT IS A PRETTY UNSIGHTLY DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S, UH, THERE IS A LOT OF OUTSIDE STORAGE, CAR LOTS, YOU KNOW, REPAIR SHOPS, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND, UH, WE ARE LOOKING FOR NEW INVESTMENT THAT'S GOING TO UP EVENTUALLY UPGRADE THE AREA.

SO, UM, I THINK THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS BEEN PRESENTED IS, UH, A, A MUCH BETTER UPGRADE, UH, FROM, FROM EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE FOR MOST EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.

UH, CERTAINLY WHAT'S EXISTS ON THIS PROPERTY TODAY, AND AS DRIVING DOWN CENTRAL IS GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER.

NOW FROM THE BISHOP SIDE, THEY, THEY ARE PENALIZED BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THIS TWO FRONTAGE ISSUE.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST HAVING A, UM, A FENCED IN, YOU KNOW, A A A TUBULAR FENCE, EIGHT FOOT TALL WITH EIGHT FOOT TALL LANDSCAPING IS A MUCH BETTER LOOK THAN AGAIN, WHAT YOU HAVE THERE TODAY.

SO IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE ZONING WAS LOOKING FOR AND TRYING TO CREATE ALL THESE STOREFRONTS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING ON, ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU DO HAVE A MIX AND YOU MAY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT A WALL IN COURTYARD OR PRIVATE AREA LANDSCAPING AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, YOU SEE NOTHING BUT A WALL IN THE LANDSCAPING.

YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S BEHIND IT.

RIGHT? MAYBE A SWIMMING POOL OR FOR ALL, YOU KNOW.

UM, SO, UM, BUT THIS WILL HAVE, THE GATES WILL BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY MOST OF THE TIME.

SO, UM, YOU WILL STILL BE ABLE TO LOOK IN THERE AND SEE, SEE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND ALL.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, FOR THE HORTONS, I, I HOPE YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL TAKE CARE IF YOU, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, YOU'LL TAKE CARE AND DO YOUR PART, TRY TO CLEAN UP THIS AREA, UM, AND, UH, AND HELP MAKE IT BETTER.

UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE OUTSIDE

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STORAGE, I MEAN THE, THE USE FOR WHOLESALES PERMITTED BY RIGHT, THE OUTSOURCED STOR OUTSIDE STORAGE IS ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY USE.

SO AGAIN, THIS ISSUE OF TRYING TO SANDWICH IT IN BET BEHIND THE FRONTAGE BUILDING LINES WHERE IT ENDS UP ON THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH, THAT I, I JUST DON'T, I THINK THAT'S BEING, THAT'S OVERLY PENALIZING THE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, THEM, SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND GRANT THE EXCEPTION THERE, THE 200 FEET BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAYS ON THE FRONTAGE.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION.

UM, IT DOES SEEM TO SERVE A PURPOSE THERE.

I UNDERSTAND IT BETTER NOW THAT THERE'S A COMBINATION OF THE LOTS THERE.

UM, I DO THINK AS YOU DRIVE INTO THE, TO THE SITE, IF YOU COME OFF CENTRAL INTO THE SOUTHERN DRIVEWAY, IT IS A LOT EASIER IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO BACK OUT ONTO CENTRAL, JUST KIND OF PULL THROUGH AND GO RIGHT OUT.

SO I DON'T THINK IT CREATES, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL HAZARDS, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, THE, UH, THE 40 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY ON BISHOP, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, AGAIN, IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE VARIANCES.

AND I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A CASE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRECEDENTS, IF WE GET ASKED, WHY DO WE DO THIS? YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT TWO DRIVEWAYS THERE THAT ARE, UM, DO WE KNOW THE EXACT WIDTH OF THOSE? ARE THOSE 24 FEET TODAY? OR IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE BOTH 24 FEET.

SO TODAY, NOT CHANGING THAT IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, BY COMBINING THOSE INTO ONE THAT'S 40 FEET, YOU'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAYS ON, ON BISHOP.

UM, AND, UH, AND I THOUGHT THE, THE, UH, THE 50%, UH, BILL TWO, UH, REQUIREMENT ON THE FRONTAGE, I MEAN, WE'RE AT 49.

I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S ABOUT AS CLOSE AS YOU'RE GONNA GET LINDA, RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIANCES HERE.

UH, BUT I DO THINK, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN IN RICHARDSON SINCE THE SIXTIES, AND, UH, HAS, AND THEIR FAMILY IN IN PARTICULAR HAS CONTRIBUTED A LOT, OWN THIS, BEEN IN THEIR FAMILY A LONG TIME, I DO THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE MADE A GREAT CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY AND ARE DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO TRY TO MAKE THIS BUDGET BETTER.

AND, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE BABY STEPS FOR THE INNER URBAN DISTRICT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA ALL HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

UH, BUT AGAIN, UM, I, I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY AN UPGRADE FROM, FROM WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, I MOVE THAT WE GO WITH THE PLAN AS PRESENTED WITH THE PROVISO THAT SOMETHING IS DONE ON THE BISHOP'S SIDE TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A FRONTAGE AND NOT LIKE THE BACK OF A BUILDING.

AND THAT MAY BE PAINT, IT MAY BE A FULL WINDOW, IT MAY BE SOME SORT OF ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENTS TO THE, TO THE DOORS.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU MR. ARLEDGE, TO SPEND A ZILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE IT LOOK THE SAME ON BISHOP AS IT IS ON CENTRAL.

I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

BUT IT, I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.

AND I THINK THAT MAY GO SOME DISTANCE TOWARD ASSUAGING THE ISSUES WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT, UH, THEY'RE A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO THAT MAY BE A LONG WAYS TO SAY A A, A MOTION.

SAM, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? YES, SIR, I DO.

IF I CAN OFFER YOU, UH, SOME VERBIAGE FOR THAT MOTION, THAT'D BE PERFECT, SAM.

SUBJECT TO AMENDING THE EAST SIDE, UH, OF THE BUILDING SIM TO HAVE SIMILAR DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS AS THE WEST SIDE.

UH, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SUBJECT, UH, REQUEST SUBJECT TO AMENDING THE EAST ELEVATION WITH SIMILAR DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS AS THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.

THAT GIVES US ENOUGH LATITUDE TO WORK.

UH, I, I, I SAID AMENDING IT TO SIMILAR DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS.

CORRECT.

UM, SO A AGAIN, IS THAT, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH WHAT THAT IS? I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO ME.

I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR SIMILAR MATERIALS.

I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR CANOPIES.

I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR, UH, A WAY TO FRAME THE, UH, THE, UH, GARAGE, THE OVERHEAD DOOR SO THAT IT APPEARS TO BE A WINDOW FRAME, UH, SO THAT IT GIVES IT THAT SAME APPEARANCE.

YES, SIR.

AND HOW MANY THOSE KIND OF DECISIONS DO YOU, SO COMMISSIONER BEE, YOUR MOTION IS APPROVED AS AMENDED

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COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO.

I SECOND THE MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION AS SECOND.

HOPEFULLY Y'ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

OKAY, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK.

UH, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE ADJOURNED.