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WELCOME TO THE, UH, MAY 7TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION.UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARDSON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES, WHICH WE JUST WENT OVER.
UH, ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS IN THE CASE OF THEIR ABSENCE OF A REGULAR MEMBER OR A DESIGNATED ALTERNATE WILL VOTE ON THE ISSUE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING CONFUSED, RIGHT.
JUST THEN,
UH, PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, SO YOU WON'T INTERRUPT THE MEETING.
OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WHEN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, AND EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE, UH, COMMISSION, AND THEY MAY RESERVE ANY PORTION OF THAT TIME FOR, UH, A REBUTTAL TIME SPENT AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE COMMISSION IS NOT COUNTED AGAINST THE APPLICANT.
THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST WILL ALSO BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES EACH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR OBJECTIONS.
THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN GATHERING NEW AND RELEVANT INFORMATION.
WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN REPETITION.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AFTER A BRIEF REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT.
NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED.
SO THAT'S THE FORMALITIES OF THE MEETING.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WELCOME, UH, REBECCA POYNTER, UH, AS OUR NEW ALTERNATE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, AND, UH, ALSO TO GARY BEACH, UH, TO BE, UH, FOR BEING PROMOTED.
[1. Approval of minutes of the regular business meeting of April 16, 2024.]
ALL RIGHT.UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF APRIL 16TH, 2024.
UH, WE DID HAVE ONE CORRECTION ON PAGE THREE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M SORRY.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME TO KNOW THE PAGE NUMBERS, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCY IN THE DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE, THE SCHOOL PROPERTIES, UHHUH
UH, IN THAT, UH, I ASKED THE QUESTION OF THE, UH, OF THE, WHAT WAS IT? CITADEL PARTNERS, ABOUT HOW LONG DID IT NEED TO BE? 15 YEARS, 25 YEARS, WHAT DID YOU NEED? AND MICHAEL BASICALLY AGREED THAT HE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE GIVING A OPEN-ENDED THING, BUT HE DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH 15 OR 25 YEARS.
AND THE GENTLEMAN WAS UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO ANSWER HOW MANY YEARS IT NEEDED TO BE, UH, CHANGED TO GIVE THEM THOSE FOUR ITEMS. SO THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT SAYS.
IT'S NOT MAYBE A MATERIAL THING, BUT IT IS JUST A, A DISCREPANCY.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT.
I SEE IT'S, UH, IS IT, UH, COMMISSIONER BEACH ASKED IF THE PROPOSAL INCLUDED A DESIGNATED EXPIRATION DATE ON PAGE THREE? THAT'S THE STARTER.
LET'S JUST GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE MINUTE TAPES, AND THEN WE CAN BRING BACK THESE, UH, THESE MINUTES TO YOU, UH, FOR, FOR ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
HONESTLY, I SORT OF APOLOGIZE FOR EVEN BRINGING IT UP, BUT I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THERE'S A INCONSISTENCY THERE.
UM, SO YOU SAY, WE'LL, YOU'LL HAVE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE NEED A MOTION
UH, I MOVE THAT WE HAVE, UH, TABLED THE, I MEET, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF, UH, APRIL 16TH, 2024 TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
I'LL SECOND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SUER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
[2. ZF 24-06 Park Hollow: Consider and act on a request to rezone approximately 6.5-acres located at 545 E. Buckingham Road, on the north side of Buckingham Road, west of Audelia Road, from O/C Office Commercial to PD Planned Development for a townhome development with 89-lots. Owner: Sting Soccer Foundation. Staff: Sam Chavez.]
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UH, ITEM TWO.UH, THIS IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR ZONING FILE 24 DASH OH SIX, UH, PARK HOLLOW, AND THIS WILL BE MR. CHAVEZ.
THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH ZERO SIX.
UH, THIS IS A, UH, PROPERTY LOCATED, UH, NORTH OF BUCKINGHAM ROAD, WEST OF ELIA.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED OC, WHICH IS AN OFFICE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, FOUND IN THE TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THE RA 1100 RESIDENTIAL ATTACHED TOWN HOME DISTRICT WITH MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF AN 89 UNIT TOWNHOUSE PROJECT.
UH, HERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE, UH, OF, OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE ACTUAL PROPERTY IS A, I GUESS I, YOU COULD CALL IT A FORMER, UH, SOCCER, UH, FIELD FACILITY.
UH, IT WAS, OR IT IS OWNED BY THE STING, UH, SOCCER CLUB UP THE CONCEPT PLAN, UH, AS PROPOSED SHOWS A TOTAL OF 89 UNITS.
THE AREA ITSELF IS ABOUT SIX AND A HALF UNITS IN SIZE, ACRES IN SIZE.
THE, UH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS, UH, 1,496 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM UNIT SI, UH, THE MU A, UH, MINIMUM UNIT SIZE IS 1300 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT IS THREE STORY, UH, 55 FEET IN HEIGHT, UH, THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT, UH, RA 1100 DISTRICT.
UH, IT DOES MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AT TWO GARAGE SPACES PER UNIT, PLUS THE, UH, REQUIRED, UH, 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT FOR VISITOR PARKING, AND THEREFORE THEY'RE PROVIDING 45 PARKING SPACES.
AND OF COURSE, THEY DO CONFORM WITH THE, UH, LANDSCAPE OPEN O OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
ON THE EXHIBIT IN FRONT OF YOU, IT DOES SHOW YOU THE OPEN SPACE, UH, AREAS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.
AND IT ALSO SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSED SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND IT PRO AND IT SHOWS YOU THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE FOR FIRE AT THE FAR NORTHERN END.
UH, A LOT OF THAT IS DESCRIBED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
SO THAT SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL FOLLOWS THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THE EAST PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN THERE'S A PROPOSED, UH, ORNAMENTAL FOUR FOOT TALL FENCE ALONG, UH, BUCKINGHAM ROAD BETWEEN THE LARGE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS 20 FOOT WIDE AND THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THE YELLOWS, UH, THE YELLOW AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, LIGHTED ARE SHOWING YOU THE BUILDINGS.
SO IN EACH BUILDING, THERE IS ANYWHERE FROM FOUR TO SIX UNITS PER BUILDING.
AND THAT IS YOUR TYPICAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.
THE ITEMS IN FRONT OF YOU ALSO SHOW YOU THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE RA 1100 M ZONING INDUSTRY, AND THOSE RELATE TO THE, UH, UH, LOT WIDTH FROM, FROM 25 FEET TO 22 FEET.
THE LOT DEPTH MINIMUM FROM 70 TO 68 LOT COVERAGE.
UH, IT'S INCREASING FROM 75 TO 90%.
UH, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS BEING REDUCED FROM 10 TO THREE FEET, AND THEN THE SIDE SETBACK IS BEING REDUCED FROM 10 FEET TO FIVE FEET.
NOW, WHAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING TO US WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS IS THAT THIS IS REALLY, THAT IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
AND THIS IS THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
SO THIS IS AT THREE, I'M SORRY, THIS IS AT THREE, AND THIS IS AT FIVE.
SO THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE, THE FRONT DOOR, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT, THE FRONT DOOR FACES THESE LARGE COMMON AREAS AND THE FRONT DOOR ON THESE FACE HERE.
BUT THE UNITS ARE ACTUALLY ACCESSED FROM THE BACKSIDE, FROM THE ALLEY SIDE, THE ACCESS TO THOSE LOTS.
AND IT'S PART OF THEIR REQUEST WITH REGARDS TO HOW PROPERTY IS PLATTED.
UH, THESE, I'M GONNA CALL THEM ALLEYS FOR THIS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION, BUT THESE ARE 24 FOOT WIDE, THESE ARE 31 AS YOU COME ACROSS.
SO THE LOTS ARE REALLY ACCESS FROM THE BACK FOR VEHICULAR ACCESS.
UH, BUT THERE IS AN INTERVENING SIDEWALK IN BETWEEN THESE COMMON AREAS THAT TIES INTO THE FRONT DOORS ON ALL THESE UNITS.
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UH, BUT THESE WILL ALL BE PRIVATE STREETS.I'M GONNA CALL 'EM STREETS, PRIVATE STREETS, ALLEYS 24 FOOT WIDE FIRE LANES ACCESS EASEMENTS.
SO SOME OF THE ITEMS TO CONSIDER WITH THIS REQUEST IS, FIRST OF ALL, IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IT DOES DESIGNATE IT AS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, UH, WHICH BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSING TYPE IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OR A RECOMMENDED USE FOR THAT TYPE OF LAND USE DESIGNATION.
UH, OFFSITE, UH, THE SITE, UH, DOES PROPOSE AN OFFSITE, UH, DETENTION AREA.
IT'S NOT ON THE, ON THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT IT DOES SHOW UP ON, IN YOUR PACKET ON, ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND IT'S NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE, HAS CONDUCTED SOME PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE, UH, STUDIES.
UH, THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THE EXISTING CAPACITY WITHIN THE CITY'S STORM DRAIN, UH, OR UH, STORM WATER, UH, DRAINAGE IS NEAR CAPACITY.
THEREFORE, THEY NEED TO PROVIDE DETENTION IN ORDER TO HANDLE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO, TO, TO DEVELOP A DETENTION AREA NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO IT, UH, THAT WILL HANDLE THAT, THAT, UH, NEEDED, UH, STORM WATER, UH, CAPACITY IN RETURN.
WHAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE DOING IS THEY WILL BE, UH, USING THAT PROPERTY ALSO AS AN AMENITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THAT WILL INCLUDE, UH, SHADE ENVIRONMENTAL TREES, BALLARD LIGHTING PARK BENCHES, AND A MINIMUM FOUR FOOT WIDE WALKING PATH.
UH, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL STUDIES, UH, CONDUCTED OF THIS CAPACITY, UH, WHEN THEY DO SUBMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHEN THEY COME IN FOR PLAT, UH, LANDSCAPE SITE PLANS.
SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, STUDIES, UH, PROVIDED TO US TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CORRECT, UH, CAPACITY WITHIN THAT PROPOSED, UH, DETENTION AREA.
THE LAST ITEM, OF COURSE, IS THAT, UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THESE LOTS, UH, SINCE THEY DON'T FRONT ONTO A PUBLIC STREET OR A PRIVATE STREET THAT THEY FRONT ONTO A, UH, OR THEY HAVE FRONTAGE ONTO THE ACCESS EASEMENTS, THE, THE, UH, 24 FOOT WIDE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY FIRE LANE AND ACCESS EASEMENTS IN LIEU OF A PRIVATE STREET.
UH, AND WE'VE DONE THIS WITH SEVERAL, UH, TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, WE'VE ALSO DONE 'EM WITH NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE ONTO A PUBLIC STREET, BUT THEY DO, BUT THEY DO HAVE FRONTAGE ONTO A ACCESS EASEMENT.
AND THOSE, THOSE ACCESS EASEMENTS AND FIRE LANES WILL BE PLATTED AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO KNIGHT'S REQUEST, UH, THE CITY MAY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST IS PRESENTED.
THEY COULD APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS, OR THEY COULD DENY THE REQUEST.
UH, SHOULD THE, UH, COMMISSION ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHALL BE ZONE PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THE A FOR THE RA 1100 RESIDENTIAL ATTACHED TOWN HOME DISTRICT, AND DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS EXHIBIT B, AND THE ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT C.
THOSE EXHIBIT THE, UH, EXHIBIT C ARE THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND THEY'RE PRETTY LENGTHY IN THE FACT THAT THEY, UH, THAT THEY REFLECT THE RA 1100 DISTRICT WITH PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS.
UH, WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE, UH, AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO, JUST JUST TO REITERATE, THE, ALL THE, UM, VARIATIONS THEY REQUIRE REQUEST HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THESE TYPE HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN MULTIPLE OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY.
INCLUDING THE ACCESS TO A, I MEAN, THE FRONT DOOR TO AN ACCESS AREA AS OPPOSED TO A PUBLIC STREET? YES, SIR.
AND THEN AT THE TIME THAT THEY ACTUALLY START TO DEVELOP THIS, THE, YOUR ENGINEERS AS WELL AS THEIRS WILL REVIEW WHETHER OR NOT THE, UH, RETENTION AREA WILL WORK FOR THE STORMWATER NEEDS.
THEY WILL REVIEW IT TO SEE IF THERE'S ENOUGH CAPACITY IN IT, OR IF IT'S OVER, THEY'RE PROVIDING TOO MUCH CAPACITY, SO, YEAH.
SO THERE'LL BE A FINER TUNE ON THAT, ON THAT ENGINE INSTEAD.
JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, ALL THIS STUFF LINES UP.
I GO TO COMMISSIONER PURDY, HE WAS NEXT.
I HAD A KIND OF FOLLOW ON QUESTION TO THE OFF WA UH, OFFSITE STORM WATER DRAINAGE.
LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT EVEN MEANS.
IT IS AN AREA THAT WILL HOLD WATER
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THE MORE WATER, THE MORE RUNOFF, IT'LL SLOWLY RELEASE IT INTO THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM.SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS AS THAT AREA STARTS TO FILL UP AND REACHES CAPACITY, IT'LL RELEASE IT AND HEAD IN THIS DIRECTION, KIND OF NORTHWEST INTO THE EXISTING SYSTEM, AS OPPOSED TO GOING BACK INTO THIS, THIS AREA HERE, THAT, THAT IS ALMOST AT CAPACITY.
IS THERE A PHOTO OF THE STORM WATTAGE WATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM? NO, THERE IS NOT.
IS THERE A PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE? THERE WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT OCCURS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, NEXT, RIGHT NEXT TO THE EMERGENCY GATE FOR FIRE.
IS THAT A GATE, SINGLE GATE WITH THE CODE? THAT WOULD BE, WELL, THE, THE, UH, THE FIRE GATE IS A DOUBLE, IT'S A DOUBLE WIDE GATE WITH A NOX BOX ON IT.
BUT IF I LIVED THERE AND I WANTED TO TAKE MY BIKE OUT, YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE PEDESTRIAN GATE.
I COULD GO THROUGH THE PEDESTRIAN GATE, CORRECT.
I, I HAVE, UH, QUALMS ABOUT CONSIDERING THE, THE TWO ACRE LOT, UH, AS BOTH A, UH, UH, AN OVERFLOW DRAINAGE AREA AS WELL AS AN AMENITY, PARTICULARLY AFTER VIEWING THE SITE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY EVIDENT THAT IT'S A PART OF THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO HOW THEY INTEND TO DO THAT.
UH, I WILL, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT, THAT THAT TWO ACRE SITE WILL BE REGRADED.
SO IT WILL TAKE ON THE APPEARANCE OF A DETENTION AREA.
UH, IT WILL BE, IT WILL START GENTLY FROM A GRADE STANDPOINT, STARTING ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THEN GET, UH, GREATER IN, IN, IN, UH, SLOPE AS IT NEARS THE, THE OUTFALL OR THE YEAH, IN THIS CASE OR THE, YEAH, THE INLET, UH, SIDE.
BUT I'LL LET THEM DESCRIBE TO YOU WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW THEY INTEND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UH, REMARKS, UH, UM, 17% OPEN SPACE, UM, INCLUDE THE DETENTION AREA? NO, SIR.
COMMISSIONER BEACH, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I MEAN, TWO ACRE POND OUT THERE, UM, THAT SEEMS LIKE A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR MOSQUITOES TO BREED AND REALLY INFEST THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M WONDERING WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, HOW'S THAT GONNA BE ADDRESSED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE ANY ISSUES FROM THAT, FROM HAVING ALL THAT BODY OF OPEN WATER OUT THERE? WELL, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'LL BE AN OPEN BODY OF WATER.
UH, IT'LL ONLY BE, IT'LL ONLY HAVE WATER AS, AS STORM AS STORM NEEDS OR, OR, OR, UH, REQUIRED FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO MORE THAN LIKELY IT'LL PROBABLY SPEND, YOU KNOW, 80% OF THE TIME AS A, AS A, UH, DRY, UH, DETENTION AREA.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO VISUALIZE THAT THEN AS, AS A, AN ADDED FEATURE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 80% COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO.
IS IS, IS THIS SIMILAR, AND I ONLY ASK THIS 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
IS THIS SIMILAR TO THAT PARK THAT'S NORTH OF THE OLD OWENS LAND? WHAT'S IT CALLED? FOXBOROUGH? IS THAT IT? BECAUSE THAT THING GETS FLOODED ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? YES.
AND THAT'S JUST OVER, THAT'S JUST, IT'S JUST PART OF A FLOODPLAIN THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WOULD THIS HAVE A SIMILAR FEEL TO IT? LIKE IT COULD BE A PARK OR WHATEVER, BUT WHEN IT RAINS HEAVY, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA FLOOD FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT ALWAYS RUNS OFF QUICK ENOUGH? WELL, BASED ON THEIR ENGINEERING STUDY, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE THEIR ENGINEER WITH THEM, UH, BUT I THINK THEY CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU.
BUT, BUT TYPICALLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
SO AS IT FILLS UP, IT HITS A, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HITS A PEAK AND THEN IT RELEASES, UH, BUT IT DOESN'T RELEASE OVER THE EMBANKMENT.
IT'S THROUGH AN EXISTING, UH, DRAIN INLET THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
HELP ME AGAIN ON WHY, UH, THESE ARE REF NOT PRIVATE STREETS AND THEY'RE RIGHT.
A, A ACCESS WAYS, RIGHT-OF-WAYS, FIRE LANES.
WHAT, WHY ARE THEY NOT CALLED A PRIVATE STREET? WELL, WE COULD CALL THEM PRIVATE STREETS, BUT WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE ACTUAL PLATTING, THOSE STREETS, WELL, WELL, MORE THAN LIKELY BECOME COMMON AREAS BECAUSE THEY, THEY WILL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER KIND OF GREEN AREAS, WALLS, EVERYTHING ELSE.
NOW, THE REASON THEY'RE PRIVATE IS BECAUSE OF THE CD
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ENTRANCE HERE.UH, SO THEY WILL, THERE WILL BE A NOX BOX AT THAT, AT THAT ENTRY GATE TO ALLOW OUR, OUR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY.
UM, WELL, IF IT WAS A PRIVATE STREET, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.
IT'S NOT BEING, UH, DEDICATED TO THE CITY.
AND THESE ARE NOT BEING DEDICATED, THEY'RE JUST BEING PLATTED AS EASEMENTS.
IT SEEMED ABOUT, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT YOU WERE MAKING THE DISTINCTION THAT THEY ARE NOT PRIVATE STREETS, THOUGH.
WELL, IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE IMPLICATION OF THAT.
WELL, THERE IS NO IMPLICATION OTHER THAN WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS THAT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES LOTS TO HAVE FRONTAGE, TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET.
THESE AREN'T, THESE AREN'T STREETS.
I KNOW YOU SEE THEM AS STREETS, AND I CAN CALL THIS, THEY LOOK LIKE STREETS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE NOT PLATTED AS PRIVATE STREETS.
WOULD THOSE STREETS OR EASEMENTS MEET THE DEFINITION OF A STREET FOR WIDTH AND SO ON, IF THEY WERE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALK, OR THEY WILL NOT, NOW THESE WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS.
AND ON YOUR EXHIBIT YOU SEE THE DETAIL OF HOW THOSE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE PLACED.
BUT THIS, WHAT THEY'RE A TYPICAL PRO A A TYPICAL STREET THAT'S CONSTRUCTED TO THE CITY'S DESIGN STANDARDS IS 27 FEET OF PAVEMENT.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE 20 FEET, 24 FEET OF PAVEMENT.
AND THESE STREETS ARE WIDER THAN OUR STANDARD AT 31 FEET OF PAVEMENT.
SO THERE'S A MIX OF, OF DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE ROADWAY STREETS, ACCESS EASEMENTS.
NOT TO BEAT THE ACCESS EASEMENT THING TO DEATH, BUT THEY ACTUALLY, THE, THE, THE UNITS ACTUALLY OPEN ONTO THOSE GREEN SPACES.
SO THEORETICALLY THE FRONTAGE IS THAT GREEN SPACE ISN'T THE EASEMENT AT ALL.
IT'S THAT STRIP OF GREEN BEHIND IT.
AND THAT'S NOT A STREET AT ALL.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, GRASS AND A SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, COMMISSIONER BEACH, SAM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS BETWEEN STREET AND EASEMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW I LIVE IN A AN HOA AND IT'S PRIVATE, GATED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND WE HAVE TO KEEP, UM, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE BUDGET, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT'S 300,000 SET ASIDE FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THE STREETS.
SO IF THIS IS EASEMENTS, WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO SET ASIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT IS DEDICATED TO MAINTENANCE OF THE EASEMENTS OR, YES.
SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE TREATED THE SAME.
WHY ARE THERE NO RENDERINGS OR ELEVATIONS OR ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON WHAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE? THEY ARE NOT AT THAT POINT YET, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE.
AND THAT CUSTOMARY THAT, THAT'S PART OF OUR PACKAGE WHEN WE'RE, AND WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE GUIDELINES FOR APPROVAL.
WE TYPICALLY HAVE THEM IF THEY'RE READY AT THIS POINT.
THEY, THEY AREN'T AT THAT POINT AS FAR AS, UH, THEIR PROPOSED, UH, BUILDING TYPES AND ARCHITECTURE.
NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN THROUGH SONY AND HAVE ARCHITECTURAL REPRESENTATIVE, UH, UH, ELEMENTS TIED WITH THE ORDINANCE.
UM, WHERE DID THE, AND, AND, UH, I THINK YOU SAID, UM, CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THE VISITOR PARKING AND, AND THE PARKING IN GENERAL AT TWO, TWO SPACES PER UNIT, PLUS HALF A SPACE PER UNIT AS VISITOR? IS THAT, UH, IS THAT A STANDARD THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED FOR OTHER TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS? THE CODE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR VISITORS IS A HALF A SPACE PER UNIT.
SO ALONG THE PERIMETERS WHERE YOU WILL FIND THE VISITOR PARKING SPACES AND ALONG THIS ENTRANCE HERE, SO THEY MEET THE MINIMUM AT 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THEY MEET THE TWO ENCLOSED, UH, SPACES PER UNIT INSIDE THE UNIT, OF COURSE.
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SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON, WHICH WE NORMALLY GET IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, DO THESE HAVE DRIVEWAYS? AND I'M ASSUMING THEY DON'T, THAT THESE ARE JUST GARAGES THAT OPEN UP ONTO THESE RIGHT OF WAYS YOU WILL HAVE THAT.DON'T TELL US IF, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE'S MORE PARKING AVAILABLE FOR EACH UNIT.
DO WE, DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? YOU NORMALLY, YOU NORMALLY DON'T.
ON A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, WHAT YOU HAVE ON THIS NORTH SIDE OF THIS LOT IS YOU WILL HAVE A DRIVEWAY, A FIVE FOOT DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THAT WILL TIE INTO THE ALLEY STREET EASEMENT.
UH, SO YOU'LL HAVE FIVE FEET OF, OF, OF AN APRON THERE, BUT YOU TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE ANY AVAILABILITY FOR TOWN HOME UNITS TO PARK IN THESE AREAS.
SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE, THEY'VE MOVED THE VISITOR PARKING OVER TO THE EAST AND OVER TO THE EAST AND WEST PROPERTY LIGHTS.
NOW, THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF THIS SITE, THE TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM, THEY'RE DESIGNED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY IN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THIS COMMON AREA.
SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED ON STREET PARKING ALONG THE FRONT DOOR OF THOSE HOMES.
SO THEY BASICALLY HAVE AN ALLEY FRONT DOOR, AND THEN THEY HAVE BULL BELT PARKING ALONG THAT STREET.
SO THERE'S A VARIATION OF THE TYPE OF, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE DESIGN, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT THESE, THESE, UH, TOWN HOMES TO HAVE COMMON AREAS SHARED COMMON AREA TO CREATE A, A FRONT YARD FOR ALL THESE UNITS, OR YOU DON'T.
SO IT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DESIGN PREFERENCE.
SO, AND, AND THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT FRONT OF THE, THE BUILDING FRONTING ON THE GREEN SPACE, UH, THE, THE BUILD TWO LINE, YOU SAID WAS THREE FEET.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S NO, WE HAVE NOTHING TO REALLY GO OFF OF OR DO THESE PORCHES, ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE, IS THERE ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE THAT MAY BE BUILT INTO EACH LOT? OR IS IT SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT TO THE BUILDING EDGE? MORE THAN LIKELY YOU'LL HAVE A PORCH IF YOU READ THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, ENCROACHMENT OF PORCHES IS PROHIBITED BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY THEY'RE BUILT, YOU KNOW, THREE FEET, UH, FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, STAFF? I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.
UH, SO WE WOULD ASK THE, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE IN INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M WITH THE SCOREBOARD COMPANY, 82 14 WESTCHESTER DRIVE.
UH, SUITE 900, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 5.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSION FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH STAFF FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW, AND, YOU KNOW, SHOULDER TO SHOULDER AND, AND HOPING TO MAKE THIS A GREAT PROJECT.
SO WE'RE CALLING THIS, UH, THE PARK HOLLOW.
AND ALSO, ONE THING JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, WE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE THE DEVELOPER AND THE STING SOCCER FOUNDATION, THE SOCCER CLUB, WHO'S THE OWNER CURRENTLY.
WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THEM.
UM, AND THEY HAVE PLANS TO, UM, EXPAND AND BUILD A NEW COMPLEX.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
UM, SCOREBOARD COMPANY, OUR BACKGROUND, SIMILAR PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
WE'VE DONE PROJECT DETAILS AND THEN SOME REPRESENTATIVE PROJECT PRODUCT, UM, LIKE YOU MENTIONED.
SO WE'RE THE SCOREBOARD COMPANY.
WE'RE A PRIVATE, UH, LOCALLY OWNED DEVELOPMENT FIRM WITH OVER 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
UM, WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER 120, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN MORE THAN 33 CITIES THROUGHOUT DFW.
UH, WE DON'T DEVELOP IN HOUSTON, AUSTIN.
UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 25 PROJECTS THAT ARE IN ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT, RATHER WE'RE DOING HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE OR JUST, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH ENGINEER DESIGN, UM, OR THEY'RE IN BUILD OUT, WHICH IS THE HOMES ARE GOING VERTICAL.
UM, WE HAVE A REPUTATION FOR BUILDING HIGH QUALITY LONG LASTING COMMUNITIES.
AND OUR PROJECTS RANGE FROM SMALL INFILL SITES SUCH AS THIS ONE, UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO 800 ACRE MASTER PLANS.
SO THIS IS A SIMILAR PROJECT THAT WE DID, UH, UP IN CORINTH, TEXAS.
UH, WE'RE CALLED THIS ONE TIMBER RIDGE.
WE HAD 50 FOUND 55 DEVELOPED, 55 TOWN HOME LOTS.
UM, OUR HOME BUILDER WAS IN PRUSSIAN HOMES.
AND, UH, THOSE HOMES ARE CURRENTLY BEING
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SOLD RIGHT NOW.UH, THE NEXT ONE IS DOWN IN MANSFIELD.
WE DEVELOPED 128 TOWN HOME LOTS.
UH, WE HAD A TWO ACRE RETAIL PORTION DURING THE ZONING ON THIS ONE.
UH, OUR HOME BUILDERS ASHTON WOODS, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY SELLING HOMES AS WELL.
UH, TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE UP ON THE TOP LEFT, THIS IS WHAT THE MUSE LOOKS LIKE.
SO THESE HOMES WILL HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, A LITTLE FRONT PORCH AND THEN A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE BUILDER WHERE THE HOMEOWNER A LITTLE, UH, GATE IN THE FRONT, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS OUT TO THAT MUSE, YOU KNOW, TO PLAY AND, AND AND WHATNOT.
SO THEN HERE'S ANOTHER ONE WE DID, UM, UP IN MCKINNEY.
THIS WAS, SO WOOD, THIS WAS ABOUT 12 ACRES, DEVELOPED 40 TOWN HOME LOTS.
UH, THE BUILDER WA OUR BUILDER PARTNER WAS WINDSOR HOMES.
THAT'S OUR SISTER HOME BUILDING COMPANY.
SO NOW THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, LIKE SAM WAS SAYING, UH, LOCATED JUST NORTH OF BUCKINGHAM ROAD.
UH, IT'S ABOUT SIX AND A HALF ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED OFFICE, COMMERCIAL AND FUTURE LANE USE PLAN IS CALLS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SURROUNDING USES, UH, TO THE NORTH, UM, AND TO THE, THE EAST.
YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY, YOU HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL AROUND, UM, THE EAST SIDE AND, AND THE NORTH SIDE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A EXISTING TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, UH, THAT ALSO INCORPORATES THOSE, UH, FIRE ACCESS LANES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST, JUST A MINUTE AGO.
UH, WE DID REACH OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
UH, WE SENT OUR PLANS TO THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, GROUPS.
DIDN'T GET REALLY GET ANY RESPONSES.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO SENT IT TO THE TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, UH, DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES, REACHED OUT A FEW TIMES.
WE, UH, TALKED TO THE LEARNING CENTER, THE DAYCARE JUST NORTH OF US, UM, KIND OF TOLD 'EM ABOUT OUR PLANS AND, AND OUR PLANS WITH THE POND.
AND THEY, THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SO, AS WE'RE SAYING, CURRENT ZONING IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, FUTURE LAND USE IS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, WHICH, LIKE SAM SAID, DOES CALL OUT FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWN HOMES, UM, LIKE WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
SO PARK HOLLOW, UM, IS GONNA ASSIST OF 89 SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME LOTS.
THESE ARE GONNA BE FOR SALE, NOT FOR RENT.
UM, THESE ARE GONNA BE 22 BY 68.
IT IS GONNA BE A PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY.
UH, LIKE WE WERE SAYING, THE LOTS ARE GONNA FRONT ONTO MUSE, OPEN SPACE LOTS, UH, AND IT ENCOURAGES WALKABILITY.
AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING 45 GUEST PARKING SPACES.
SO HERE'S OUR PRI PERIMETER SCREENING.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL, UM, ALONG EAST BUCKINGHAM ROAD.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FOUR FOOT DECORATIVE METAL FENCING WITH MASONRY COLUMNS.
AND LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS GONNA BE A PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY.
UM, SO THE FRONT ENTRANCE OFF OF BUCKINGHAM IS GONNA BE GATED.
AND THEN OUR SECOND POINT ACCESS, UH, IS THE GREEN SPOT RIGHT UP THERE.
AND THAT IS GONNA BE EMERGENCY ACCESS WITH A KNOCK BOX FOR FIRE POLICE TO GET IN AND ACCESS IT, AS WELL AS THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO GET TO THE SHOPPING NORTH.
AND ALSO, UM, THE AMENITY OF THE POND.
SO WE WILL BE PURCHASING THE TWO ACRE, UH, VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
UH, THE PROPERTY WILL BE UTILIZED AS AN OFFSITE DETENTION POND, UH, FOR THE NORTH, UH, THE NEW PARK HOLLOW COMMUNITY.
AND IT IS GOING TO BE A DRY POND, SO IT WILL NOT BE A WET POND.
UM, SO THE GENERAL SLOPES WILL ALLOW FOR THE AREA TO SERVE AS AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PARK HOLLOW, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS OF RICHARDSON.
SO THE OTHER TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, THE APARTMENTS, UM, THE DAYCARE NEXT DOOR, ANYONE SAY AT THE DALLAS STARS HOCKEY CENTER THERE CAN COME UTILIZE THAT AREA AS WELL.
UM, THE PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED, UH, TO INCLUDE 12 NEW SHADE TREES, THREE NEW ORNAMENTAL TREES, LOW LEVEL BALLARD LIGHTING, TWO PARK BENCHES, AND A FOUR FOOT WALKING PATH AROUND THE PERIMETER OF IT.
UH, WE WILL BE OTTING IT, UM, AS WELL.
SO HERE'S, UH, JUST THE PLAN KIND OF LAID OVER, UM, AN AERIAL SHOWING YOU THE EXISTING, UM, BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND SHOWING HOW THIS IS REALLY A SEAMLESS TRANSITION AND, AND SHOWS THAT IT, YOU KNOW, FITS AND LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PLANNED TO BE HERE.
AND HERE'S SOME REPRESENTATIVE PRODUCT FOR YOU, SIMILAR TO THE TOWN HOME COMMUNITY THAT IS, UH, TO, TO THE WEST OF US.
SO IN CLOSING, UH, PARK HOLLOW WILL BE A SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE INTENT TO ESTABLISH THE
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HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS INFO LOCATION.PROVIDE A VIBRANT, LONG LASTING COMMUNITY THAT BLENDS SEAMLESSLY WITH THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, PROMOTE A VERY DESIRABLE, HIGH QUALITY TOWN HOME PRODUCT, AND BE A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR ITS FUTURE RESIDENTS AND A SURROUNDING EXAMPLE OF WHAT RICHARDSON HAS TO OFFER.
UH, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE DO, UH, RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SOUTHARD.
UH, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE REFERENCED AS YOUR OTHER PROJECTS, UM, WERE QUITE DIFFERENT.
DENSITY AND THE PICTURES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN WERE THINGS THAT, UH, ACCORDING TO THE LOT SIZES, COULDN'T BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS PLANNED COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO VIEW THAT WOULD REPRESENT THIS PLANNED COMMUNITY RATHER THAN YOUR PREVIOUS PROJECTS.
AND SO TO THAT, LIKE WE'RE SAYING, THESE ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE PROJECT PRODUCT THAT WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING.
LIKE, LIKE SAM SAID, WE'RE HAPPY TO TIE THIS TO OUR PD ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN GOING BACK TO ONE THAT IS SIMILAR.
SO RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE SAME SIZE LOTS AS WE'D BE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, YOUR QUESTION TO THE DENSITY, THIS PROPERTY WAS 95% IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO ALL THAT GREEN SPACE DOWN, UH, TO THE SOUTH WAS ALL FLOODPLAIN, WAS NOT BUILDABLE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THIS IS 55 HOMES ON EIGHT AND A QUARTER ACRES.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 89 HOMES ON YES.
AND SIX, ONLY ABOUT FOUR ACRES OF THIS PROPERTY WERE DEVELOPABLE THAT WE COULD PULL OUTTA THE FLOODPLAIN TO RECLAIM.
THEN THAT BRINGS UP FURTHER QUESTION WAS THE, WAS SOME OF THAT OTHER FLOODPLAIN THEN USED FOR AMENITIES THAT WAS STILL ON SITE? WHICH THIS ONE DOESN'T SEEM TO REPRESENT THAT KIND OF, UM, POSSIBILITY.
IT, IT WAS JUST FLOODPLAIN ALL PASSIVE.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, 'CAUSE I WAS HITTING ON THE SAME, I WAS DOING THE MATH ON MINE.
SO, UM, I THINK AT TIMBER RIDGE YOU HAD THIS, IS IT, SO, UM, YOU SAID ABOUT FOUR ACRES, UM, YOU LOST TO FLOODPLAIN, SO YOU WERE STILL ABLE TO DO 55 ON FOUR FOUR ACRES.
SO THAT'S ABOUT ALMOST 14 UNITS AN ACRE.
SO I THINK THAT'S YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE RIGHT.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT THE DENSITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS ONE.
UM, ABOUT 1389 UNITS ON SIX AND A HALF ACRES IS ABOUT ROUNDED TO 14.
BUT THE OTHER ONE, UM, SEEMED LIKE, UM, YOU HAD ONE THAT WAS 14 ACRES.
YOU LOST, YOU GAVE UP TWO ACRES TO RETAIL, YOU ENDED UP WITH 128 LOTS.
SO I COUNTED ABOUT 11 UNITS AN ACRE DETENTION.
THAT THERE WAS DETENTION ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
I'M A PARTNER WITH SCOREBOARD COMPANY.
UH, DOING THIS PROJECT ITSELF, UH, IS MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THIS PROJECT, WE GAVE UP ABOUT TWO ACRES OF RETAIL.
WE HAD ONSITE DETENTION, SO USABLE, IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT NINE ACRES.
UM, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S, WE'VE GOT A, A TOWN HOME PROJECT JUST, UH, OVER TO THE WEST OF US.
AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS, AS SAM SAID, TWO DIFFERENT DIRECT DIRECTIONS.
WE COULD PUT A STREET WHERE THOSE OPEN SPACES ARE.
BUT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'VE FOUND HAS BEEN VERY POPULAR IS TO USE THESE MUSE AREAS WHERE THESE HOMES OPEN UP ONTO A GREEN SPACE.
YOU WALK OUT OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, YOU WALK ONTO A SIDEWALK AND YOU CAN WALK UP AND DOWN.
INSTEAD YOU'RE, YOU'RE EITHER WALKING ALLEY STREET, SO YOU'RE IN THIS TOWNHOUSE AND YOU'VE GOT STREET BEHIND YOU, YOU KNOW, STREET IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TO INCORPORATE SOME OPEN SPACE WALKABILITY IN THIS.
THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS DETENTION OFFSITE IS 'CAUSE WE GOT INTO THIS PROJECT VERY EARLY ON AND FOUND
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OUT THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DRAINAGE PROBLEMS TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, YOU KNOW, WEST OF US.AND WE SPENT PROBABLY THREE MONTHS JUST AT PAUSE WITH STAFF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE DETENTION COULD GO.
UM, AND THE ONLY DIRECTION WE, IF WE HAD GONE SOUTH, IT WAS A COMPLETE REHAUL OF THE BUCKINGHAM SYSTEM.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, OLD AND UNDERSIZED AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
SO THE, THE ONLY WAY TO GO NORTH AND ALSO PAY FOR A LOT OF THESE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS WAS TO DO THIS OFFSITE AND WORK WITH OUR, OUR, THE PARTNERS OVER ON THE COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
THEY'VE BEEN IN HERE, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THEM A COUPLE TIMES WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, CAR WASHES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE BEST USE OF THIS IS TO CREATE A REGIONAL DETENTION AREA.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY DRAINING INTO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU GO TO THAT SLIDE? YEAH.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY DRAINING INTO THIS SITE.
SO IF YOU SEE HERE, SEE THAT LITTLE LINE THROUGH THERE BETWEEN THE DEAD TREES WHERE IT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT COLORED THAT'S ALREADY DRAINAGE IN THERE AND IT'S KIND OF RUTTED OUT.
AND I'M SURE IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY IT, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT GREAT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS INSTEAD OF A PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR, FOR PEOPLE PARK ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE THIS AS GOOD OF AN AMENITY AS WE CAN WHILE ALSO FIXING SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AS HE SAID, THERE'S GONNA BE GENTLE SLOPES ON THIS.
AT ONE POINT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED ENOUGH ROOM TO, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST IT WAS GONNA BE WALLED AROUND 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH DRAINAGE WE NEED.
WELL, STAFF, IN THAT THREE, FOUR MONTH PERIOD, WE DID STUDIES.
WE WENT AHEAD AND DID DRAINAGE STUDIES.
SOUTH NORTH, LOOKED AT IT AND FOUND OUT THAT WE COULD DO MORE GENTLE SLOPING AND MAKE THIS AMENITY.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, DISNEY WORLD AMENITY, BUT IT IS BETTER THAN A BEAR, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY.
BUT IT IS, UH, ABOUT 10 FEET DEEP, RIGHT? NO, NO.
EACH OF THESE LINES, I THINK IT'S ABOUT FIVE TO SIX.
SO YOU'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 5.
SO IT'S SEVEN FOOT OVER THE TWO ACRES.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT ABOUT A 10% SLOPE.
SO IT'S, YOU'LL SEE IT, YOU'LL SEE IT WALKING DOWN, DOWN IT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUMPING OFF A WALL OR A HILL.
UM, WE'RE GONNA PUT A, YOU KNOW, SO THE BOTTOM YOU'LL BE ABLE WILL BE FLAT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE WATER IN IT.
THERE'LL BE CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, CHANNELS, IF THERE'S ANY WATER HELD, SO IT WON'T HOLD WATER, IT'LL BE DRY.
IT'S JUST THERE FOR A MASSIVELY HEAVY STORM.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT A PASS THROUGH FROM OUR SUBDIVISION INTO THE EXISTING PIPE THAT'S CURRENTLY RIGHT THERE.
LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU'VE JUST GOT THIS PIPE FROM THE COMMERCIAL GOING TO THIS PIPE.
SO NOW WE'LL BRING BOTH PIPES INTO THIS, INTO THERE, AND IT'LL JUST BE FOR MAJOR STORMS. YOU'LL HAVE WATER IN IT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE DAILY, YOU KNOW, WATER SITTING.
AND THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS A DAYCARE CENTER.
THIS IS, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT? TO PROTECT THE KIDS? WE WENT THROUGH THAT STAFF MULTIPLE TIMES.
AT FIRST IT WAS GONNA BE A WALL AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA PUT A FENCE AROUND IT AND IT WAS JUST GONNA BE LITERALLY A POND.
BUT WE GEN WE MADE THE SLOPES GENTLE TO WHERE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO FALL FACTOR TO IT.
THERE'S NOT A WORRY ABOUT THIS BECOMING A RAGING WATER SITUATION.
THIS LITERALLY IS GONNA LIFT UP TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AN INCH OR TWO OF WATER AND THEN KIND OF FLOW THROUGH.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG, UH, RAPID SPACE.
I'VE, I'VE BUILT A LOT OF DETENTION PONDS AND I I HAVE SEEN 'EM FILL UP YES.
PARTICULARLY IF THEY GET CLOGGED, YOU KNOW, WITH DEBRIS AND TRASH AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE'LL BE MAINTAINING THIS AS WELL.
I'M SORRY, I SAID WE'LL BE MAINTAINING THIS AS WELL, NOT THE CITY.
ARE YOU, AS THE DEVELOPER GOING TO BUILD THESE UNITS? UH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE BUILDING PARTNER.
SO LIKE WE HAD, WE'VE HAD ASHTON WOODS BUILD THEM, UH, ON SOME OF THEM.
MADAME HOMES IS A POSSIBLE BUILDER.
UM, WINDSOR HOMES IS OUR HOME BUILDER THAT BUILDS TOWN HOMES.
SO WE, WE BUILD FOR, WE BUILD A HORIZONTAL, AND TYPICALLY EITHER OUR BUILDER BUILDS 'EM OR AN OUTSIDE BUILDER.
SO THE ONES THAT WE SHOWED YOU TODAY, OR MADAME HOMES, THEY'RE LIKELY TO BE OUR HOME BUILDER ON THIS ONE.
SO, UM, YOU TALK ABOUT REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR, YOUR, OF YOUR, YOUR PROJECTS.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THE HORIZONTAL, YOU'RE THE LAND DEVELOPER.
YOU'RE SELLING THESE LOTS TO THESE BUILDERS THAT ARE THEN COMING IN.
WE SELL THE LOTS WITH REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE, SO HOW DO, HOW DO YOU, WHEN YOU SELL, UH, WITH REQUIREMENTS, WHAT ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS? LIKE, LIKE NEIL SAID, WE CAN PUT THIS REPRESENTATIVE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE SHOWING TODAY.
WE CAN PUT IT AS PART OF OUR BD.
AND WHY, WHY DIDN'T YOU BEFORE? UM, BECAUSE WE JUST LITERALLY JUST GOT UNDER
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CONTRACT WITH THEM.WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE WITH STAFF AND WORKING MORE ON THE HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT OF IT.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST HANG UP RIGHT NOW IS I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT TO SEE, SEE THIS, I MEAN, THIS IS IMPRESSIVE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE BUILT HERE.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT TIES ANY OF WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING TO WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE.
WE DID SUBMIT 'EM WITH OUR SUBMITTAL, UHHUH
UM, THEY WEREN'T PUT AS PART OF THE PACKAGE.
THAT JUST WASN'T DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE TWO OF US.
BUT IT CAME UP TODAY IS THAT Y'ALL ARE THE FIRST PERSON THAT SAID, WE NEED TO PUT THIS IN THE PD, BUT WE SUBMITTED 'EM AS PART OF OUR PD AND SUBMITTAL PACKAGE.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT WE DON'T MAKE THESE AN EXHIBIT AS PART OF THE PD.
SO, UH, SAM, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US ON THAT.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE, UH, I MEAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE ADD EVERY ONE OF THESE, UM, TO THE PACKAGE THAT, THAT BECOMES REPRESENTATIVE? I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE DESIGN STANDARD.
WELL, THEY WOULDN'T DICTATE THE DESIGN STANDARD.
SO SINCE WE CAN'T HOLD ANY CONSTRUCTION TO MATERIAL TYPES YEAH.
BUT WE CAN HOLD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HOLD A DEVELOPMENT TO THAT DESIGN STANDARD, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS BASICALLY A, A HIP ROOF.
UH, THESE ARE, YEAH, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE TYPICAL TOWN HOMES.
THE ONLY TOWN HOME THAT I'VE SEEN, WELL, NOT THE ONLY, BUT HERE IN RICHARDSON THAT IS NOT BUILT TO THOSE KIND OF DESIGN STANDARDS ARE THE TOWN HOMES.
THOSE HAVE FLAT ROOFS ON THEM.
UH, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I'VE SEEN IS BUILT IN THAT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD.
THEY'VE GOT PITCH ROOFS, UH, THEY'VE GOT FRONT PORCHES, UH, STEPS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE ELEVATED, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT.
UH, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE ON TOWN HOMES LOOKING AT OUR PACKAGE, IT COULD BE JUST A BLOCK BUILDING.
WITH OR WITHOUT WINDOWS, THERE'S NO, YES.
SO I, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE, FOR ME, THAT'S, I MEAN, I, I WANNA SEE THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL TO KNOW IT'S GONNA BE OF THAT QUALITY AND YES.
YOU KNOW, I I, THE OTHER THING I IT IS NOT SHOWN IS WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FROM THE ALLEYWAYS WHERE THE GARAGES ARE AND, AND WHAT IS THAT? YOU KNOW, HOW FAR ARE THOSE SET BACK? AND THEY'RE SET BACK.
ABOUT FIVE IS JUST FIVE FEET AND THAT'S IT.
AND, UH, THOSE DETAILS ARE ON, ON THAT EXHIBIT, EXHIBIT B UP IN THE FAR RIGHTHAND CORNER.
SO IT SHOWS YOU HOW FAR SET BACK THEY ARE FROM THE, FROM THE EASEMENT LINE.
SO THEY'RE SET BACK AT FIVE FEET.
UH, IN THAT FIVE FEET YOU'LL HAVE A DRIVEWAY APRON.
UH, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ANY, I'M GONNA CALL IT STREET.
UH, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING ON STREET.
PLUS, ON TOP OF THAT, THAT THOSE ACCESS EASEMENTS, SO STREETS ARE LEAK STRIPED OFF AS FIRE LANE, SO YOU CAN'T PARK IN THEM ANYWAY.
UH, SO THAT'S HOW THEY'RE TYPICALLY DEVELOPED.
UH, I HAVE YET TO SEE A TOWN HOME THAT PROVIDES A LOT OF, A LOT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE BUILDING, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE GUESTS TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO PARK WITHIN THE, THE GARAGE AND THE STREET.
OTHERWISE THEY BLOCK THE FIRE LANE.
SO THE CLOSER TO THE STREET THE BETTER.
UH, SO YOU SEE THOSE, UH, THOSE SORTS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
NOW, WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD, WE COULD INCLUDE THESE REPRESENTATIVE PRODUCT TYPES IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND WHEN THEY COME IN FOR DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THESE UNITS HAVE PICTURES, THEY HAVE ARTICULATION, WHICH WE NORMALLY WOULD ANYWAY.
UH, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE SO WE CAN, UH, KIND OF USE AS A STANDARD FOR ANY TYPE OF, UH, PRODUCT THAT IS BUILT.
AND I THINK IT IS ALSO ON THE, WHAT YOU WERE CALLING THE MUSE.
UH, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PICTURES LOOK GREAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, YOU JUST SEE, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE SIDEWALK.
UH, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT, THAT LOOKS LIKE A BARREN AREA.
THAT, AND THAT IF YOU HAVE, IF, IF YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THOSE OTHER PICTURES WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SHOWED THAT, UM, I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE KIND OF THING I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR TO KNOW THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT, THIS IS GONNA HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR AS IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER LIKE THAT.
AND WE CAN EASILY PUT, UH, IT JUST HAS IT COME UP.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
IF STAFF HAD ASKED FOR IT, WE WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EASILY PUT A MUSE CONCEPT PLAN.
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RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD THE CONCEPT PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE MUSE CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE PRODUCT, UM, TO OUR PACKAGE, UH, AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.MR. BEACH, I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE GARAGES.
BECAUSE IT'S A FIVE FOOT, UH, ENTER IT.
UM, HOW BIG ARE THEY? AND THE REASON I ASK IS FROM A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I, UH, I LOOK AT A GARAGE AND I THINK A GARAGE IS A GARAGE.
UM, BECAUSE SOME HOMES HAVE LIKE A NINE FOOT WIDE ENTRANCE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THERE HAVE THESE GREAT BIG PICKUP TRUCKS, A FOUR DOOR AND THEY CAN'T FIT IN THE GARAGE.
AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL OF THE GUEST PARKING IS LIKE, WELL THAT'S NOT REALLY GUEST PARKING HERE.
I GOTTA GO TICKET THEIR CAR AGAIN.
BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU UNDERSTAND.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW, ARE THEY EIGHT FEET? ARE THEY NINE, NINE FEET? ARE THEY 12 FEET, FEET? THESE WILL TYPICALLY BE A TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE UNIT'S 22 FEET WIDE, AND IT'S ANYWHERE FROM A FOOT TO A FOOT AND A HALF KIND OF SEPARATION ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND HOW DEEP, HOW DEEP? UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT ON ME RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE, UH, DEEP ENOUGH FOR PROBABLY NOT A DULY TRUCK, BUT THERE REGULAR STAND.
SUV, UM, IF YOU'RE GOING FOR AN EXCURSION, NO.
IF YOU'RE GOING FOR F TWO 50, HE HAS, HE HAS ONE.
HE CAN'T FIT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
AND I DON'T LIVE IN THIS YEAH.
AND SO, YEAH, HE, HE DOESN'T, HE AND HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS FIANCE LIVED IN ONE FOR A WHILE, AND THEY MOVED
THAT WAS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS THOUGH.
SO, UH, WHAT, AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN, SINCE THIS IS A GATED COMMUNITY, WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A GATE ON THE WEST SIDE? I UNDERSTAND YOU, THE, THE MUL MULTIFAMILY SORT OF CREATES A BARRIER, BUT IF YOU'RE SELLING IT AS A GATED COMMUNITY, WHY WOULDN'T YOU SECURE IT? UH, WE'RE TYING INTO THE EXISTING, WE'RE TYING INTO, THERE'S AN EXISTING, YOU KNOW, BUILDING STRUCTURE THERE WHERE ALL THEIR GARAGES ARE.
SO THERE'S NOT A ACCESS BACK AND FORTH.
WE WOULD JUST LITERALLY PUT A FENCE UP AGAINST A BUILDING AND IT WOULD CREATE AN AREA WHERE THERE'S JUST WEEDS GROWING AND WE'RE, WE'RE REACHING IN AND HAVING TO CLEAN IT UP.
SO WE'RE JUST TYING IN TO WHAT THEIR EXISTING, OKAY.
SEPARATION IS, THEY'VE ALREADY PUT SEPARATION FROM US, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO UP AGAINST THEM.
AND, UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHY DO YOU NOT FEEL IT NECESSARY TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW, PATHWAYS BETWEEN THESE BLOCKS, UH, AS SORT OF OPEN SPACE OR PEDESTRIAN LINKAGES FROM ONE BLOCK TO THE OTHER? ARE YOU TRYING TO INTENTIONALLY PROHIBIT THAT FROM HAPPENING? TWO REASONS.
SOME PEOPLE REALLY DON'T LOVE PEOPLE WALKING BETWEEN THEIR HOUSES TO GET THE ACCESS POINTS.
WE'D RATHER THEM COMING IN FROM ONE DIRECTION.
SO THERE JUST DOESN'T CREATE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THE BUILDINGS DO HAVE SEPARATION BETWEEN THEM, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA INVITE EVERYBODY WALKING UP AND DOWN BETWEEN SOMEBODY'S HOME.
SO WE'RE GONNA JUST MAKE THESE LINEAR TO WHERE THERE'S THE TWO ACCESS POINTS FROM THE END.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THE, I KNOW THE, UM, I GUESS THE, THE CODE IS FOR VISITOR PARKING AT HALF A SPACE PER UNIT.
I MEAN, DO YOU, DO YOU FEEL THAT REALLY MEETS THE NEEDS OF YOUR RESIDENTS? AND I FEEL IT, UH, A MARKET, YOU KNOW, DEMAND FOR VISITOR SPACES, PARTICULARLY IF THE GARAGES ARE NOT THAT BIG FOR TRUCKS.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, DO YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE GUY THAT OWNS THE TRUCK NOW GOES, GRABS THE VISITOR SPOT, UH, 'CAUSE HE CAN'T FIT IN THERE.
UH, OR YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A FAMILY OF FOUR WITH FOUR CARS OR THREE CARS AND NOW YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TAKING UP VISITOR SPOTS.
I MEAN, IS IT, DOES A HALF A SPACE PER UNIT REALLY WORK? IT'S VERY TYPICAL FOR OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENTS.
IT ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN OUR ONE, UH, COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES.
SO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE DID THE ON STREET PARKING, LIKE THE ONE TO THE NORTH OF US.
AND ACTUALLY WE PROBABLY CREATED, UM, MORE THAN THE FRONT, FRONT ENTRY PARKING.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THE ISSUE, UH, WITH OUR THREE OR FOUR OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE WE'VE HAD THESE MUSES, IT HAS NOT BEEN A COMMON PROBLEM.
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MAYBE ONE, TWO NIGHTS A YEAR, EVERYBODY DECIDES TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PARTY ON THE SAME NIGHT.BUT NOT ON A TYPICAL DAILY BASIS.
AND ARE YOU, UH, PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE VISITOR PARKING IS, YOU KNOW, ON THE EAST OR WEST SIDE.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY ANYWHERE IN THE INTERIOR.
SO IF YOU'RE IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF BLOCKS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY LONG WALK, I GUESS, TO THAT VISITOR SPOT.
I THINK THE FURTHEST, UH, SO IF YOU HAVE SOME, A GUEST COMING OVER, FOR INSTANCE MM-HMM.
UH, IT, WE'VE DONE THIS IN ETTE, CORINTH.
UM, WHERE ELSE? UH,
YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT YES, THEY DO HAVE TO WALK THROUGH 400 FEET, BUT SOME ARE, YOU KNOW, NEARBY.
AND DOES, UM, STING SOCCER OWN THE, UM, THE PROPERTY, THE, FOR THE DETENTION POND? OR IS THAT ANOTHER THEY DO NOT.
WE HAVE A SO YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE PARTIES YOU'RE DEALING WITH? YES.
THERE OTHER PARTIES HERE WITH US TONIGHT AS WELL, THE COMMERCIAL PARTY.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT A LITTLE OVER HALF A YEAR PROCESS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH STAYING IN THE CITY AND OUR COMMERCIAL PARTY.
AND I REMEMBER THAT WAS WHERE THE CAR WASH WAS CLOSED.
AND, UH, YEAH, I THINK WE BARELY APPROVED IT AND CITY COUNCIL DID NOT AGREE WITH THIS.
COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, WHERE ARE YOU NEXT? YEAH.
UM, WHO'S GONNA OPERATE THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT? YOU GUYS ARE THE DEVELOPERS AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA GET A PARTNER FOR THE VERTICAL WORK AND THAT, BUT WHO'S GONNA ACTUALLY OPERATE THE APARTMENT? IT'LL BE AN, IT'LL BE AN HOA COMPANY.
SO THEY'RE VERY TYPICAL IN THESE.
IT'S NOT A, A CONDO COMPLEX OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN OPERATING COMPANY ON SITE, UH, AN HOA, I MEAN A TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY'RE ALL FEE SIMPLE.
IT'S AN HOA AND TYPICALLY THERE, THERE'S A HIRED HOA MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A HIRED HOA MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT DOES MOST OF OUR PROJECTS THAT, UH, HAVE WORKED WITH US FOR, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 25 YEARS.
THEY TYPICALLY TAKE ALL OF OUR PROJECTS FROM THE DATE THAT THE FIRST HOUSE STARTS TO THE LAST HOUSE IS SOLD.
AND THEN THE HOA WILL I'LL, I'LL BE ON THE BOARD OF THE HOA UNTIL THE LAST HOUSE IS SOLD.
AND THEN ONCE THAT HOUSE IS SOLD, THE HOA BOARD, THEY'LL CREATE THEIR OWN BOARD AND THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE SAME MANAGEMENT COMPANY ON.
IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THEM, THEY'LL TYPICALLY GET A, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HIRE A NEW MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
BUT MOST OF THESE HOAS HIRE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEY CONTINUE MAIN MAINTAINING.
SO THE FRONT YARDS WILL ALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, IT'LL BE IN THE CCR.
SO THERE WON'T BE INDIVIDUAL FRONT YARD MAINTENANCE.
ALL THESE MUSES WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, THE ENTRY ENTRY AREAS.
WE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, ALL THE OPEN SPACES ON THE SIDE, THE FENCES, UM, THE MASONRY FENCE AND THE HOMES.
IT'S ALL MAINTAIN, IT WILL BE MAINTAINED.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, YES, THERE HAS TO BE RESERVE.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, FUND THAT RESERVE AND MAIN, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE AT A MAINTAIN LEVEL TO WHERE IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ROADS OR THERE'S A LEAK OR, UM, THE HOA HELPS MAINTAIN ALL THOSE, SINCE YOU ALL HAVE A, UH, TRADITIONAL OR CUSTOMARY, UH, COMPANY YOU GO TO.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY? NMI CAN YOU NEIGHBORHOOD MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
THEY'VE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR A WHILE.
THEY MANAGE MANY TOWNHOUSES, MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES.
THEY DO FROM THESE SMALL ONES UP TO A THOUSAND LOT MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES.
NOW THIS ISN'T LIKE A 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE FOR, FOR THE KIDS GONNA PLAY, ARE THEY GONNA PLAY IN THE STREET OR, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN MY PLACE AND I'M UNHAPPY WITH IT.
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT DIS DISCUSSION.
THERE'S GONNA BE THE OPEN SPACES, THE MUSES WILL BE AREAS OF GREEN SPACE.
THE TOWNHOUSES TO THE EAST OF US HAVE STREET, THE FRONT STREET IN THE BACK.
THERE'S NO OPEN SPACE, THERE'S NO NOTHING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WENT TOWARDS THIS MUSE DESIGN.
BUT THERE'S NOT ANY LIKE PLAYGROUND OR SLIDE OR SWINGS.
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PARK AREA THAT WE'RE BUILDING AS WELL.JUST THINK THAT FOXBOROUGH PARK, SORRY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER AMENITIES THAT I MIGHT HAVE OVERLOOKED? LIKE A CLUBHOUSE? UM, NOT IN THIS, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD PUT SUCH A BURDEN ON THE HOA, THE MONTHLY DUES.
A CLUBHOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU COULD DO A CLUBHOUSE AND A 500 UNIT MULTIFAMILY OR 300 UNIT MULTIFAMILY.
BUT, UH, 80 TO 90 LOT TOWN HOME COMMUNITY PEOPLE WOULD BE PAYING AS MUCH AS THEIR MORTGAGE TO, TO MAINTAIN THAT BUILDING AND THE AMENITIES AND THE POOL AND ALL THAT STUFF.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR, WE WOULDN'T HAVE EVERYBODY BUY IT.
IT, IF WE WERE AT A, YOU KNOW, 180 LOT, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR 160, IT JUST, THIS COMMUNITY THIS SIZE CAN'T SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF AMENITY.
UH, ON THE DETENTION POND, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE INTENTION WAS TO LAY SOD THERE.
UM, AND THAT IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED ULTIMATELY BY THE HOA.
IS THAT AREA GONNA BE IRRIGATED? YES.
IT'LL BE IRRIGATED SODDED MODE.
IT'LL BE ON OUR SAME MOWING SCHEDULE.
COMMISSIONER POINTER DRONE DELIVERY, WHERE WOULD IT GO? THAT'S THE FUTURE.
WALMART, I HAVE NOT GOT THERE YET.
USUALLY THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE A DESIGNATED DELIVERY.
EVERY, EVERY, BASICALLY EVERYWHERE YOU GO, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PRIVATE COMMUNITY, HAVE A DESIGN DESIGNATED.
WOULD YOU HAVE A DESIGNATED SPOT FOR THAT? YES, IT WOULD BE NEAR THE ENTRANCE.
SO IT WOULD BE, IT'S EITHER GONNA BE POSSIBLY HERE OR THERE'S PARKING.
WE JUST NEED A FINISH VIEW, MOST LIKELY HERE, WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE OPEN SPACE, A LITTLE MORE ROOM FOR, BUT, UH, TODAY WE CAN'T EVEN, YOU, YOU'VE GOT A WALMART OVER THERE THAT'S DOING IT, SO WE CAN'T EVEN, UM, BUILD ANYBODY A MAILBOX ANYMORE.
BUT THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE YEAH, THAT'S THE FUTURE.
SO IS THAT, THAT DIAGRAM RIGHT THERE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UH, THE BUILDINGS AND THE YELLOW? YES.
UM, SO YOU'D HAVE LIKE FOUR TO SIX UNITS PER BUILDING.
ONE MORE QUESTION, QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
WAS IT, WAS IT REALLY THERE OR DID YOU JUST DECIDE THAT WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, I JUST DECIDED IT WHEN YOU ASKED.
WE JUST HAD SOME OF THESE THINGS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR SIX MONTHS.
WE'VE HAD SO MANY OTHER ISSUES WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
YOU PUT IT IN FRONT OF A NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE.
THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, HAVE YOU DONE THIS? YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A MASSIVE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
GET THE PLANS TOGETHER FOR HOW THEY, EVERYTHING FITS.
SO SPEAKING TO THE DRY POND AGAIN, YOU MENTIONED YOU WOULD FINISH THAT OUT.
I MEAN, IS THAT LIKE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? WE JUST SPOKE WITH THEM.
IT'S MORE OF A PASSIVE OPEN SPACE AREA TO RUN AND PLAY.
WE HAVE NOT GOT, YOU KNOW, DONE A PLAYGROUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, WE'RE A GATED COMMUNITY.
WE'RE BOTH PLAYGROUND OUT THERE.
IT'S GONNA HAVE THE LEARNING EXPRESS AND THEN IT'S GONNA HAVE EVERYBODY AT THE SHOPPING CENTER, AND THEN IT BECOMES OUR, OUR LIABILITY.
UM, IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, CITY PARK, THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
BUT, UM, THE SECOND WE PUT OUR NAME ON IT, PUT A PLAYGROUND OUT THERE AND SAY, EVERYBODY COME, IT BECOMES A MUCH DIFFERENT STORY.
UH, YOU MAY HAVE HAD THIS, BUT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SIZE OF EACH UNIT? THEY'RE GONNA BE AN AVERAGE OF AROUND, UH, 1,616 TO 1700.
AND THAT'S IN, AND YOU DO ENVISION THREE STORIES.
UM, WE ARE MORE, THOSE WERE TWO STORIES YOU WERE SHOW SHOWED THERE.
SO MORE PROBABLY TWO STORY, THREE STORY.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS KIND OF SMALL FOR THREE STORY.
YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE TWO STORIES.
CAN YOU, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO UP TO THREE.
AND DO YOU HAVE A ANTICIPATED PRICE RANGE FOR THESE? YOU HAVE THAT? YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE LOW 500 TO MID FIVE HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS STARTING AROUND THERE.
SO PRETTY HIGH END AMENITIES ON THE INSIDES.
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CHAIRMAN.CAN YOU SHOW THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? THE MINIMUM IS 13.
THE AVERAGE IS GONNA BE ABOUT 16.
OH, YOU CAN KEEP ME ME ON THAT.
THE HOME, UH, WHAT I WAS GETTING, TRYING TO GET TO WAS THE HOME SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT COUNTING THE GARAGE.
THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE WOULD BE, UH, 1300 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS THE, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED IN THAT, IN THAT SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UH, IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, EITHER FOR OR AGAINST, UH, THE REQUEST, UH, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M SORRY.
I WOULD, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SPEAKERS.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, UH, YOU WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION INCLUDE THE ELEVATIONS AND, UM, THE MUSE EXAMPLE AND TO ADDED THAT INTO OUR PD AS WE SUBMITTED THOSE AS WELL BEFORE, PREVIOUSLY.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT, IS THAT, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, MOTION.
SO, UH, NOTHING ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC.
THEN I'D MOVE THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FLUSHED OUT MORE? I SECOND MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE CAN FLUSH IT OUT AMONGST OURSELVES, I THINK.
SO, UH, MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING A SECOND BY, UH, COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND THAT'S PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
SO, UH, YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANNA ADD TO IT, TO HAVE THAT.
'CAUSE NORMALLY WE DO HAVE THAT, UM, THOSE RENDERINGS AND, UM, DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE PROJECT.
I, I DON'T THINK STICKING PERFECTLY TO THE RENDERINGS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, BUT HAVING NONE, HAVING NONE IS, IT'S KIND, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE FORCED STRETCH.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, AND MAYBE, UH, SAM CAN GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I DON'T, THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE TOUGH.
AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE TOUGH FOR THE COUNCIL TOO, BECAUSE I GUESS YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS THE LONGEST, KIM.
WHEN'S THE LAST TIME SOMEBODY DIDN'T PROVIDE RENT? I MEAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
AND I'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK SECOND LONGEST, I WOULD SAY THE MOST SIMILAR.
I REMEMBER AS THE PROJECT, UM, ON CENTENNIAL THAT, UH, WAS A, A SIMILAR KIND OF DEVELOPMENT REPLACING A SCHOOL, I BELIEVE, OR, OR A CHURCH CENTENNIAL AND A LITTLE BIT, UH, WEST OF HERE.
IT'S CENTENNIAL AND GREENVILLE.
UM, YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROBABLY EIGHT YEARS AGO.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN MORE RECENT THAN THAT.
THE GRAY HAIR IS REAL, BY THE WAY.
UM, BUT WE HAD A LOT MORE TO VIEW AT THAT TIME, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T HAVE A MIND'S EYE PICTURE OF WHAT I THINK THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THE, THE PICTURES THAT WE DID HAVE TO VIEW, INSTEAD OF SHOWING, UH, SIX FEET BETWEEN BUILDINGS FOR THE MUSE, IT WAS MORE LIKE 25 FEET BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
IT, IT IS A LOT DIFFERENT SCALING.
NOW, THE, THE, UH, DETAILS THAT WERE, THAT, THAT WERE ON, UH, EXHIBIT B, SHOW ME THE SEPARATION BETWEEN BUILDINGS BY CODE.
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THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE BETWEEN BUILDINGS 10 FEET.THAT'S, THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH ROOM THERE.
UM, I THINK THAT COMMENT, UH, MAYBE IT'S GETTING CONFUSED.
THE BUILDING SEPARATION IS SIDE BY SIDE.
THEUSE, UNDERSTAND THAT THE MU FRONT TO BACK IS, YOU KNOW, 30 PLUS FEET.
THE SIDE BY SIDE IS LIKE BETWEEN THE 1918 BUILDINGS.
THAT'S PROPORTIONALLY REALLY OFTEN.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT GREEN AREA BETWEEN THE TWO YELLOW BUILDINGS IS WIDER THAN THE YELLOW BUILDING.
THE YELLOW BUILDING IS, IS ALMOST LIKE 60 68 FOOT.
SO THE YELLOW BUILDING FOOT, THE YELLOW BUILDING'S OVER 60 FOOT, AND THERE'S THREE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THEN THERE'S THREE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THEN THERE'S 29 FOOT.
SO FROM FRONT OF BUILDING TO FRONT OF BUILDING IS GONNA BE WHATEVER.
AND SOME ILLUSTRATIONS WOULD CLEAR THIS UP.
AND THAT, AND IT'S GONNA LOOK MORE, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA LOOK MORE LIKE HERE.
I THINK WE HAVE IT ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, THE, THE OTHER PRODUCT.
UM, UH, I, I, I THINK MY OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT BESIDES, YOU KNOW, LACK OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WAS THE, UM, AMOUNT OF VISITOR PARKING AND LOCATION OF IT.
UH, UH, BUT IF THAT'S ALL THAT'S REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, BY CODE, THEN IT'S HARD TO, I, I LIKE, I LIKE TO HAVE MAR I THINK MARKET FORCES USUALLY DICTATE, UM, WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S NOT.
AND SO THAT MEANS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DEVELOPER FEELS THEY NEED TO TAKE ONE LOT OUT OR TWO LOTS OUT TO CREATE MORE PARKING.
THEY, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY DO IT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SEE A NEED THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO REQUIRE MORE.
NOW, THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY KIND OF LENDS ITSELF TO THE HOA POLICING ITS RESIDENCE, UH, AS TO WHERE THEY PARK.
UH, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL OPTIONS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU START TO LOSE LOTS, AND THEN THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT GETS VERY SLIM.
UH, SO WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE, AND WHEN I SAY WE, WE, WE WORKED AS A TEAM, UH, TO TRY TO CREATE A COMMUNITY.
AND BY CREATING THAT COMMUNITY, WE CREATED THESE MUSES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SOMEONE TYPICALLY DOESN'T HAVE A FRONT YARD AND A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE THAT, THAT THAT AMENITY.
SO, SO IT WAS A TRADE OFF DESIGN.
AND, AND, AND LOOK, I THINK FOR, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT AND REALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE BRIEFING SESSION WITH THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, MM-HMM.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THE PRICE POINT IS
BUT, UM, STILL, IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
SO, UM, IT, IT IS BRINGING MORE HOUSING, UH, TO THE AREA.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, THE, THE, THE LAST CONCERN I HAVE IS JUST ABOUT THE DETENTION POND.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE GOT A FEW OF THESE MYSELF, I, I DO SEE THAT THEY CAN POTENTIALLY BECOME A HAZARD IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED.
I DO WORRY ABOUT THE, THE SCHOOL, UH, YEAH.
AND I DO THINK THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME OTHER, UH, PRECAUTIONS MAYBE TAKEN JUST, JUST TO PREVENT AN ACCIDENT THERE.
UM, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT'S REALLY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, GIVEN WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT AND WHAT WE HAD LOOKED AT IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CAR WASH THAT DIDN'T GET APPROVED.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT THERE WAS THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE COMMERCIAL OFFICE.
SO YOU'RE REALLY INTRODUCING AN OPEN SPACE INTO A, UM, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT'S NOT FULLY USABLE AS AN OPEN SPACE BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE SLOPE AND THE DEPTH THAT IT HAS TO HAVE IN ORDER TO HOLD THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND IN ORDER TO LET IT DRAIN OUT.
SO YOU THINK ABOUT REALLY HEAVY RAIN, THAT THAT CAN FILL UP
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FAIRLY QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY IF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY SORT OF AT ITS MAXIMUM.UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SHARE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE ON, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA? NO, NOT AT ALL.
UH, WE DID HAVE OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER LOOK AT THEIR PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE PLAN.
SO THEY CONCUR THAT A DETENTION AREA IS, IS NECESSARY.
NOW, THE, THE, THE FINE TUNING OF THAT, OF THAT, UH, FACILITY, OF COURSE, WILL TAKE PLACE AS WE, AS WE GO FORWARD, SHOULD WE GO FORWARD.
UH, AND THE ZONING BE APPROVED.
SO THEY'LL DO A MORE DETAILED STUDY.
IT MAY END UP THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL I KNOW IT MAY NOT, IT MAY END UP THAT ALL THEY NEED IS FOUR FEET OF DETENTION AS OPPOSED TO SIX OR EIGHT.
UH, BUT UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY GET TO A TRUE DESIGN AND NUMBER OF LOTS, AND THE AMOUNT OF PAVING AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THAT CALCULATION, THAT ENGINEER WILL CALCULATE THOSE.
WE WILL REVIEW THOSE STUDIES AND THEN, UH, AND THEN APPLY THOSE TO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
NOW, IF YOUR, IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, THE MOTION INCLUDE THAT WE, THAT WE, UH, ATTACH THE PRODUCT REPRESENTATIVES AND THE MUSE REPRESENTATIVES AS PART OF THE, UH, ZONING APPLICATION.
THE REASON I DID NOT INCLUDE THOSE, UM, TO BEGIN WITH IS THAT IT'S MY FAULT.
I'M USED TO SEEING TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THESE ARE TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE WITH THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, I'VE WORKED CLOSELY ENOUGH WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT I KNOW THAT I CAN WORK WITH HIM, AND WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO THAT WITH, WITHOUT IT BEING IN, IN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, SO THAT WAS MY, MY MY FAULT.
BUT IF WE CAN ATTACH THESE REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES AS THE PRO, AS THE BUILDING TYPE AND THE MUSE TYPE, THEN, UH, THAT WOULD HELP US.
COMMISSIONER BEACH, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT ABOUT THE GUEST PARKING.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE IT IS, BUT TO BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MATTERS WHERE IT IS.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT WE HAVE GUEST PARKING WHERE I LIVE, AND YET PEOPLE DO CRAZY THINGS AND PARK CRAZY PLACES, PARK IN THE STREET, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
WHEN YOU'RE GOING, IT'S ONLY SEVEN MORE FEET FOR 'EM TO BE IN THE PARKING LOT, WHAT'S GOING ON? BUT PEOPLE JUST DO, SO I I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS IF YOU HAVE IT ON THE EAST AND WEST END, OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD PUT ONE BY EACH HOUSE, WHICH THEY CAN'T, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA, IT'LL BE REAL INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.
ANYBODY FEEL LIKE MAKING A, A MOTION, UM, MOVE THAT WE, UM, ACCEPT THIS WITH THE ADDITION OF THE RENDERINGS OF THE PRODUCT OF THE MUSE, UH, AND THE PRODUCT YEAH.
I SAID, SO YEAH, WE, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN THERE TO SEE IT.
BUT, UH, UH, I MEAN, HONESTLY, I, I DRIVE BY THAT SOCCER FIELD REGULARLY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT USE FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND I THINK CONVERTING THAT, I WON'T TELL YOU WHAT I THINK OF IT, BUT THE PLACE THAT THEY'RE PULLING TO PUT THEIR RETENTION POND, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AS LONG AS THEY CAN MAKE IT TO WHERE THOSE KIDS AT THE DAYCARE AREN'T TAKING SWIMMING LESSONS.
JUST, JUST A QUICK LITTLE QUESTION.
YOU WANT THESE IMAGES ATTACHED, OR YOU WANT RENDERINGS? YOU WANT THE ATTACHMENT OF THESE IMAGES? OR DO YOU WANT, 'CAUSE YOU SAID RENDERINGS.
WELL, WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, I THINK IT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT BEEN PRESENTED, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, UH, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY PUT IT OVER THERE ON, ON BUCKINGHAM, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT.
IF THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF BUCKINGHAM, THAT'S OKAY, BUT IF IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF BUCKINGHAM, THEY NEED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT THIS WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THESE
OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN? I, I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HADN'T SEEN.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
WE'VE SEEN EXAMPLES OF OTHER PROPERTIES.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY RENDERINGS OF THIS IS WHAT WE THINK THIS WILL LOOK LIKE ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT TROUBLES ME A LITTLE BIT.
AGAIN, I I, I, IS THAT, SORRY, I MEAN, IS THAT A CRAZY
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REQUEST? IF IT IS, WHY? TELL ME.I MEAN, I WON'T HURT MY FEELINGS.
NO, I, I, I, YEAH, I THINK, THINK, UH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN.
ARE YOU, IT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT? I HAVEN'T SEEN
WELL, YOU UNDERSTAND ME? YEAH, I, YEAH, I DO.
SO, UH, I THINK YOU, TO BE CLEAR IN YOUR MOTION, UH, IS TO PROVE THIS AS PRESENTED WITH WHAT RENDERINGS OR, UM, DEPICTIONS OF THE PRODUCT, THE REP, REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PRODUCT THAT WILL BE ON BUCKINGHAM.
I MEAN, EVERY, EVERY PROPERTY, EVERYTHING THAT ALWAYS COMES BEFORE US, WE SEE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IS THIS, WONDER IF IT'S, UH, IF IT'S, IS THIS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? WONDER IF IT'S MONOLITHIC SOLID WALL BLOCK BUILDINGS WITH NO WINDOWS.
WE NEED TO SEE IT, BUT YOU'RE WILLING TO APPROVE IT.
YOU'RE JUST KIND OF GIVING IT A BLANKET APPROVAL THE WAY YOU'RE, UM, AT I, NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY GOAL.
I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND SEE WHAT THOSE PIECES OF PROPERTY ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE, THEN LET'S DO THAT WITH IT.
WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN PROVE IT FOR THE CITY IF WE, IF, IF WE IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER BEACH'S MOTION? NO,
SO WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO TAKE ANOTHER SHOT AT IT? SO BEFORE WE TAKE THAT SECOND SHOT AT IT, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE DONE IT WITH MANY PRO, MANY PROJECTS.
THE ONES THAT, THE, THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE A DETAILED EL BUILDING ELEVATION ARE THOSE THAT ARE READY TO BE CONSTRUCTED TWO MONTHS FROM NOW.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT AT THAT POINT.
TYPICALLY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT AT THAT POINT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO, UH, THEY TIP YOU TRYING TO GET THE ZONING IN PLACE TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN AFTER THEY GET THE ZONING IN PLACE, THEN THEY DESIGN THOSE STRUCTURES.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THESE ARE REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES OF THE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE BUILT, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT MAY BE WHAT YOU WERE, UH, PRETTY SURE BEACH, UH, WAS TRYING TO GET AT.
THIS WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THAT MUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS PROBABLY TWICE THE SIZE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, BUT I KNOW BASED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IT WILL HAVE A PEDESTRIAN PATH RUNNING THROUGH IT.
IT'LL HAVE A CONNECTION FROM THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE TO THAT PATH, AND IT'LL HAVE LANDSCAPING WITHIN IT.
SO THAT GIVES, THAT IMAGE HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHEN I DEAL WITH THE APPLICANT, WHEN THEY COME IN FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHAT TO EXPECT WITHIN THAT, THAT NEWS AREA.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT, BECAUSE THAT, YEAH, BECAUSE, YEAH.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ASSUME THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IS HERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THAT MUSE COULD LOOK LIKE.
WE KNOW IT'S GONNA HAVE A PATH, IT'S GONNA HAVE A CONNECTION AND IT'S GONNA HAVE LANDSCAPING VICE CHAIRMAN.
BUT IF, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT FOUNTAIN IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
SO INSTEAD OF TWO SIDEWALKS, THAT'D HAVE ONE SIDEWALK, OR IT COULD HAVE TWO, SO IT WOULD BE COMPRESSED.
OR IT COULD HAVE TWO, OR IT COULD HAVE ONE DOWN THE CENTER THAT MEANDERS THROUGH THE PATH.
I THINK THE POINT IS THAT IT DOES HAVE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION TO IT AND A CONNECTION TO IT FROM UNIT TO UNIT.
I, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE.
UM, WHAT ARE WE HAVE HERE?
I HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, UH, COMMISSIONER SUER IS IN OPPOSITION, SO SIX TO ONE.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
[3. ZF 24-09 Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance Text Amendment - Bicycle Parking Standards: Consider and act on a City-initiated amendment to Article XXII-D (Parking) of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance (Appendix A) by renaming Article XXII-D Vehicle and Bicycle Parking, amending Section 2. to provide bicycle parking standards and renaming Section 3. Variances. Staff: Daniel Herrig]
RIGHT.THAT BRINGS US TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE.
AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ALSO.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED AT THIS LEVEL, OR DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? UH, NO, SIR.
UH, WHAT'S NOT REQUIRED IS THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.
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BUT STILL, STILL IS A PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ZONING FILE.COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, TEXT AMENDMENT FOR BICYCLE PARKING STANDARDS.
UM, YES, I'M HERE BEFORE YOU, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED BICYCLE PARKING, UM, TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CZO.
UM, SO AGAIN, KEVIN, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, THIS IS IN RELATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL GOAL, UM, TO HAVE RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS, UH, CHOOSE RICHARDSON, UM, AS THE BEST PLACE TO LOCATE, CONTRIBUTE, AND ENGAGE.
UM, AND THEN KIND OF FOLLOWING ON WITH THEIR TACTIC.
UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY EVEN FROM THAT TACTIC, UM, A SPECIFIC STRATEGY FOR, UM, RENEWING RICHARDSON'S BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY STATUS.
UM, WITH A GOAL TO, UH, LOOK AT MEASURES, UM, SIMILAR TO THIS, UM, TO ATTAIN, UM, AND KIND OF ENHANCE RICHARDSON STATUS, UM, AND MOVE FROM A BRONZE LEVEL TO A SILVER LEVEL STATUS.
UM, A LOT OF THIS COMES BACK, UH, TO THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH WAS DEVELOPED, UM, REALLY THROUGH 2022.
UM, AND COUNCIL ULTIMATELY ADOPTED THAT IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.
UM, KINDA THE, THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PLAN, THERE'S A WORK PLAN.
UM, ONE OF THE SHORT TERM, SO KINDA THE ONE TO TWO YEAR, UH, WORK PLAN ITEMS WAS THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF A BIKE PARKING POLICY.
UM, AND EVEN KIND OF RE RELATED TO THAT IS IN OUR LAST BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY APPLICATION IN 2019, UM, WE GET A REPORT CARD BACK FROM THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS.
AND, UH, REALLY DEVELOPING, UM, SOMETHING LIKE BIKE PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW, DEVELOP NEW DEVELOPMENT, UH, WAS ONE OF THOSE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE COULD IMPROVE AS A COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THIS BICYCLE PARKING, UH, ORDINANCE, THIS IS A CZO TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, UH, RELATED, UM, REALLY WITHIN THE VEHICLE.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S THE PARKING, UM, SECTION, UH, THE ARTICLE ON PARKING.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO RETITLE THAT AS THE VEHICLE AND BICYCLE PARKING JUST FOR CLARITY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS WOULD PERTAIN, UH, THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO IT WOULD BE A CITYWIDE, UH, ORDINANCE THROUGH THE CZO, UH, WITH SOME OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, AS I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE, THERE WAS THE KIND OF THE IQ, UH, AREA, THE CALL ARAPAHOE.
THERE'S THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, UM, THAT BOTH REFERENCE A OUTSIDE BIKE PARKING ORDINANCE.
UM, SO KIND OF BE ADOPTED INHERENTLY BY THE ADOPTION OF THIS POLICY, UH, OR, OR THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, THIS WOULD ALSO BE KIND OF A GUIDING DOCUMENT AS NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, WHETHER TO ADOPT THIS BIKING, PARKING ORDINANCE, UH, WITHIN THOSE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, OR, UM, IT'S A STARTING POINT WHERE, UM, MAYBE IT'S CHANGED FOR MORE BIKE PARKING, LESS BIKE PARKING, UH, BASED OFF WHAT THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY, WEST SPRING VALLEY, THAT CODE SPECIFICALLY HAS, UM, BIKE PARKING AT A ONE BICYCLE PARKING SPACE PER 25 VEHICLE, UH, SPACES.
UM, AND THEN CITY LINE, UH, DEVELOPMENT ALSO HAS THEIR OWN, THIS WOULD APPLY TO ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL.
SO, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL WITHIN RICHARDSON IS DEFINED BOTH AS APARTMENTS AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER KIND OF NON, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
SO RETAIL RESTAURANT, UH, OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO BE ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, UM, BUILDING EXPANSION.
SO THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UPDATES OR, UM, MORE, MORE MINOR, UM, UPDATES TO BUILDINGS, UH, OR CHANGE OF USE.
UM, THIS WOULD REALLY JUST BE IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND OR JUST A FULL NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT THESE BIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD, UM, BE ADMINISTERED.
UH, AND THEN, YEAH, A BIG PIECE OF IT IS BOTH WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE THERE IS HOW MUCH BIKE PARKING TO PROVIDE.
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS HOW DO WE GET QUALITY BIKE PARKING? AND THAT'S ALSO CONVENIENTLY LOCATED SECURE SAFE, UM, SOMETHING THAT KIND OF LEFT WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE SOMETIMES WE'RE MISSING.
UM, AND SO THROUGH THE BIKE PARKING, UH, THE PARKING DESIGN MANUAL, WHICH GOVERNS OUR VEHICLE BIKE PARKING RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT WE'LL THEN GET AMENDED TO INCLUDE BOTH VEHICLE PARKING AND OUR BIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THAT'LL REALLY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE BIKE RACK STYLES THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, OF KIND OF WHAT COUNTS.
AND SO LOOKING AT GOOD ONES VERSUS BAD ONES.
UM, AND A LOT OF THAT'S EVEN GOVERNED.
THERE'S THE ASSOCIATION OF PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE PROFESSIONALS, A PBP.
UM, THEY HAVE A NATIONAL GUIDELINE, UM, AND ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO UPDATE THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, UH, LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF BIKE YOU USE.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL, TRADITIONAL TWO WHEEL BIKE, BUT THEN WE'RE SEEING MORE, UM, ELECTRIC BIKES.
YOU SEE BIKES WITH A TRAILER ON THE BACK, UM, FOR KIDS.
UM, AND SO SEEING DIFFERENT TYPES OF BIKES, YOU SEE RECU BIKES, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THREE WHEELED TRIKES ARE BECOMING MORE POPULAR.
UM, AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT BIKE PARKING'S ACCESSIBLE BY, BY ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WITHIN THAT PARKING DESIGN MANUAL, UH, WE CAN COVER, UH,
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AND, AND LOOK AT NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES AND, UM, AND WHAT WORKS FOR LIKE THE COMMUNITY HERE.AS FAR AS THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UH, WITHIN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WE'RE PROPOSING ONE BICYCLE PARKING SPACE PER 20 VEHICLE SPACES.
UM, AND THIS IS BASED ON HOW MANY VEHICLE SPACES THEY PROVIDE, NOT HOW MANY THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO IF THEY PROVIDE MORE VEHICLE PARKING, UM, THEN IT'S GONNA BE, THEN THEY WILL HAVE A HIGHER REQUIRED BICYCLE PARKING AS WELL FOR APARTMENTS.
UM, WE'RE ALSO DIFFERENTIATING KIND OF LONG-TERM BICYCLE PARKING VERSUS SHORT-TERM BICYCLE PARKING.
THOSE APARTMENTS WILL LOOK AT LONG-TERM BICYCLE PARKING, THINKING OF THE RESIDENTS PARKING OVERNIGHT, MAKING SURE IT'S, UH, KIND OF HAS ENHANCED LEVEL OF BEING ENCLOSED.
UM, AND ENHANCED LEVEL OF SECURITY, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE SOME EXAMPLE PICTURES THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, WITH SOME AT OUR TRANSIT STATIONS LIKE SPRING VALLEY STATION THERE, UH, WHERE DART AT SEVERAL STATIONS WITHIN RICHARDSON.
UH, WE HAVE KIND OF COVERED BIKE PARKING.
UM, SO AGAIN, IF YOU PARK THERE, IT RAINS, YOU STILL HAVE A DRY BIKE WHEN YOU COME BACK TO IT.
UM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL SECURITY WITH, WITH HAVING THOSE HOODS ON THEM AS WELL.
UM, THE OTHERS WITH APARTMENT COMPLEXES, A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY'RE PROVIDED EITHER IN THE BUILDING AT A SECURE ROOM, UM, OR WITHIN, IT COULD BE A KIND OF FENCED OFF AREA WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE OR, UM, UH, OTHER AREA OF THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL SECURITY AND, AND ACCESS FOR, FOR, UH, RESIDENCE OR OTHER NON RESIDENTIALS OUTSIDE OF APARTMENTS.
YEAH, WE'D BE LOOKING AT SHORT TERM SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE CITY HALL HERE.
UM, IN A LOT OF BUSINESSES, UH, YOU THINK OF, UH, EVEN ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE, UM, THEY'VE GOT SOME KIND OF UNIQUE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF FILM REAL, UM, ARTISTIC DESIGN STYLE, UH, FOR PARKING YOUR BIKE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL, WE'LL KINDA HAVE PRE-APPROVED STYLES, UM, BUT ALSO BE LOOKING, UM, BASED OFF USABILITY AND EASE OF USE AND UM, UH, SPECIFIC STYLES TO REALLY BRING KIND OF A PLACEMAKING ELEMENT, UM, WITHIN BIKE PARKING FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.
UM, KIND OF AT THE END HERE, WE DO PROVIDE SOME PROVISIONS TO ALLOW A, UM, UP TO A 5% REDUCTION OF THEIR VEHICLE PARKING, IF THEY PROVIDE MORE BIKE PARKING, UM, OVER THAT MINIMUM, UH, JUST TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE ADDITIONAL BIKE PARKING AND, AND TRY TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT, THAT COST WHERE, UH, THEY CAN KINDA REDUCE, HAVE AN OPTION TO REDUCE THEIR VEHICLE PARKING PROVISION.
UM, AND THEN LAST, JUST KNOWING THE BUILT OUT COMMUNITY, UH, OF RICHARDSON, UM, THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE SECTION, UH, AT THE END OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UM, IT REALLY GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT BASED OFF SITE CONSTRAINTS, LAND USE TYPE, UM, THAT IF WE NEED TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY THAT MAYBE THE BIKE PARKING CAN'T BE PROVIDED RIGHT NEXT TO THE FRONT DOOR, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER AWAY, MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED QUITE AS MUCH, UM, BASED OFF THEIR LAND USE TYPE.
UM, PROVIDING SOME FLEXIBILITY, UM, KNOWING SITE CONSTRAINTS.
UH, THEN THE TWO EXAMPLES, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YEAH, SHERMAN LOFTS, UM, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, 373 UNITS, UH, 485 PARKING SPACES THEY PROVIDED.
UM, WHICH RESULTED, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THROUGH THIS CALCULATION, IF THEY WENT THROUGH THIS PROPOSED, UM, PARK BIKE PARKING ORDINANCE, UM, WOULD'VE RESULTED IN 25 BICYCLE PARKING SPACES TO BE PROVIDED, UM, AND REQUIRED THROUGH THAT, UM, WHICH IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF 13 BIKE RACKS.
UM, AND OF THOSE THEY WOULD NEED AT LEAST 23 OF THEM TO BE THAT, THOSE LONG TERM, SO LIKELY PROVIDED WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE OF THAT, UM, THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN FOR THE DUTCH BRO, UH, BROS COFFEE, UM, MAINLY A VEHICLE CENTERED BUSINESS.
UM, AND SO HEAVY DRIVE THROUGH, SO VERY LITTLE VEHICLE PARKING PROVIDED, BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT WALK UP AREA, UM, WITH IT BEING LESS THAN ONE THROUGH THE CALCULATION.
SO A BIKE PARKING SPACE IS DIVIDED BY 20.
UM, WE STILL DO WITHIN THAT PROPOSED ORDINANCE, HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO BIKE PARKING SPACES TO BE PROVIDED.
SO ONE BIKE RACK, UH, JUST TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ARRIVE BY BIKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN A KIND OF HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, IF THERE WASN'T A WALKUP WINDOW, IF THIS WAS A DRIVE-THROUGH ONLY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE MAYBE THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE IS LOOKED AT, WHERE WE GET DOCUMENTATION, UM, SUBMITTED BY, FROM THAT DEVELOPER, UM, SHOWING THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT A WAY FOR A CYCLIST TO, TO COME THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER THAT, UM, TO EITHER ELIMINATE BIKE PARKING OR, UH, OR LOOK AT THE IMPACTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAY.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE UH, ASKING TONIGHT IS, UM, CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROPOSED, UM, CZO TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, AS PART OF THE ARTICLE, UM, 20 2D OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, APPENDIX A, UM, AS PRESENTED.
UM, AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BEFORE WE GET THERE, COMMISSIONER PURDY, EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
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TO UNDERSTAND THE KIND OF BOUND OF THAT LONG-TERM PARKING USE CASE.IS THAT ONLY LIKE 24 HOURS OVERNIGHT OR WILL THERE BE CITIZENS LOOKING TO PARK THEIR BIKE FOR LIKE A MONTH IN THE PUBLIC PLACE AND KEEP IT SECURE? YEAH, SO SOMETHING FOR LONG-TERM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE ONLY, UM, KIND OF PUSHING THE LONG-TERM BIKE PARKING WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
AND SO IT COULD BE A RESIDENT WHO, YOU KNOW, WINTER COMES, IT'S FROZEN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THEIR BIKE THERE FOR A MONTH.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE, YEAH, I'M, I DON'T RIDE WHEN IT'S COLD OUT OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S 110 DEGREES OUT.
UM, AND SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD KEEP IT THERE FOR, FOR A MONTH OR LONGER.
UH, GENERALLY IT'S DEFINED AS KIND OF SHORT-TERM.
PARKING IS KIND OF A TWO HOURS OR LESS, UH, VERSUS A LONG-TERM, PARKING IS A TWO HOURS OR MORE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE ROUGH DIFFERENTIATOR OF HOW LONG YOU'RE GONNA KEEP YOUR BIKE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
BUT NOTHING FOR A NON-RESIDENT LONG TERM IN THAT LIKE MONTH LEAVE MY BIKE CHAINED UP FOR A MONTH KIND OF THING.
UM, 'CAUSE REALLY, ESPECIALLY IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES, IT'S USUALLY BEHIND A ANOTHER LEVEL SECURITY.
SO YOU NEED TO BE A RESIDENT, YOU HAVE ACCESS CAR TO GET INTO THAT, THAT ROOM.
UM, OR, OR SOME WAY TO AGAIN, ENHANCE THE SECURITY THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE GENERAL PUBLIC BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND, UM, 'CAUSE REALLY ANY, ANY BIKE LOCK CAN BE BROKEN, UH, GIVEN ENOUGH TIME OR TOOLS.
AND SO, UM, KIND OF ENHANCING THAT SECURITY THAT IT IS MORE OFF LIMITS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UM, WE DID, DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING AT LEAST 90%, UM, TO, TO GIVE THAT, UM, AVAILABILITY THAT KIND OF, THAT, THAT 10% REMAINING CAN BE SHORT TERM BIKE PARKING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A FRIEND COMES OVER FAMILY THAT BIKES OVER THERE.
UM, SO THERE IS SOME GENERAL PUBLIC PARKING AVAILABLE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY COMMISSIONER SUTHER.
WOULD THIS, UH, WOULD THIS CHANGE OR THIS ADDITION, UH, BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY OR IS THERE SOME TIME THAT IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE? YES.
SO THIS WOULD, UH, UPON ADOPTION, UM, BY, BY CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
UM, AND THIS IS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY TOWARDS NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, SO NEW DEVELOPMENT EXPANSIONS.
AND SO, UM, THOSE ARE BOTH BE GOING THROUGH KIND OF SAM'S GROUP THROUGH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UM, AND SO ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY BE ABLE TO, TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, AND SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK INTO DEVELOPMENTS IN, IN, IN THE PIPELINE OR, UM, OR OTHER DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.
WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO GO BACK AND ADD ADD BIKE PARKING UNLESS THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND OR, OR REDEVELOP.
AND FOR, UM, FOUR CHANGES THAT WOULD TRIGGER, UH, INCLUSION OF THIS, IT WOULD BE, UM, AS MAJOR, MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OR A MAJOR CHANGE.
IS THAT THE RIGHT, WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM, UH, IF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE WITHIN THOSE LARGE PDS, BUT, BUT TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, UH, SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO EITHER REDEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD REQUIRE BICYCLE PARKING, UH, SPACES, OR THEY WANT TO EXPAND AN EXISTING FACILITY.
AND AT THAT POINT, AGAIN, IT, THE EXPANSION WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING, THEREFORE IT WOULD REQUIRE THE BICYCLE PARKING STANDARDS TO BE APPLIED.
AND WE DO HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE ON THE EXPANSIONS THAT IF THEY, IN THOSE EXPANSIONS, IT WOULD TRIGGER BASED OFF THEIR FULL PARKING AMOUNT, SO NOT JUST THE EXPANSION.
UM, THE WHOLE BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE, THE NEW REQUIREMENTS, SORRY, I'M GONNA GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, LIKE I ALWAYS DO, BUT, UM, UH, LOOK, I'M, I'M PRO BICYCLE RIDING FIRST OF ALL, BUT TO ME THIS, UH, IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND I THINK IT'S OVERKILL ON THE AMOUNT, AMOUNT OF PARKING, UH, REQUIRED.
SO, UM, UH, JUST GOING IN ORDER, BICYCLE PARKING SPACE, IT SAYS, HAS TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE TWO WHEELS OR ALTERNATE.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE DEFINED IN THE DESIGN MANUAL? CORRECT, YEAH, THAT DEFINITION.
AND, AND YEAH, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH, SO IT 70 IN SIX FEET LONG, IT MAY HAVE TO BE 10 FEET LONG AND FIVE FEET WIDE OR WHATEVER.
SO THE TYPICALLY IS IT'S SIX TO EIGHT FEET LONG, UH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OTHER KIND OF BEST PRACTICES, UM, KIND OF SIX TO EIGHT FEET LONG, AND YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT, UH, THREE FEET WIDE.
AND SO REALLY ON A BIKE RACK ITSELF, YOU'RE GENERALLY TALKING ABOUT A SIX TO SIX BY EIGHT FOOT, SO SIX FEET.
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LONG TERM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES HAVING A SHELTER OR MM-HMM.YOU KNOW, ENCLOSED ROOM, UM, WHEN THE, WHEN I READ THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, UM, JUST HAS INCREASED SECURITY, IT'S LIT COVERED IN PERMANENTLY ANCHORED LOCATIONS.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NECESSARILY FIT THE PICTURE YOU WERE SHOWING.
UM, SO, BUT SO I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT.
YOU KNOW, REALLY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THIS DESCRIPTION OF A LONG-TERM PARKING SPACE, IT JUST HAS TO BE LIGHTED SOME SORT OF COVER OVER IT AND ANCHOR, I, I ASSUME ALL THESE ARE ANCHORED ANCHORED, CORRECT? YES.
SO THERE'S NO, IT'S REALLY JUST HAS TO BE LIT AND COVERED SO THAT, THAT IS AN, AN ENHANCED LEVEL OVER KINDA THE SHORT TERM PARKING WHERE A LOT OF SHORT TERM PARKING IS NOT COVERED.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS, YEAH, THAT PARKING DESIGN MANUAL IS GONNA ADD ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON, ON REALLY WHAT, WHAT OUR, AND, AND SOME OF IT'S, WE DON'T WANT TO BE EXPLICIT WHERE THERE ARE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS ON HOW LONG-TERM PARKING COULD BE PROVIDED.
UH, WHERE SOMETIMES IT IS A SEPARATE KIND OF LIKE AWNING STRUCTURE THAT IS COVERED AND LIT.
UM, SOMETIMES IT'S IN A PARKING GARAGE AND IT'S JUST KIND OF FENCED IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU FENCE OFF TWO PARKING SPACES, TWO VEHICLE PARKING SPACES, AND YOU CAN, UH, PUT IN SOME BIKE RACKS IN THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING KIND OF A RETROFIT SITUATION, UH, OR SOMETIMES KIND OF THE EXAMPLE IN THE PICTURE WAS YEAH, YOU HAVE A DEDICATED ROOM, UM, AS KIND OF SECURE ACCESS STORAGE, UM, FOR A LOT OF THEM THAT IT'S MULTI-USE, SO IT'S, IT'S BIKE PARKING FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS OTHER GENERAL STORAGE USES.
UH, IT SAYS THAT FOR LONG-TERM PARKING, THAT THAT'S TYPICALLY OVER TWO HOURS.
THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES AND OTHER LONG-TERM USERS.
BUT YET WHEN YOU GO TO, UM, THE PARKING DESIGNATION, UM, UH, APARTMENTS ARE LONG TERM, BUT ALL OTHER USES, AT LEAST 90% SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SHORT TERM.
SO WHY USE, WHY DO YOU SAY EMPLOYEES FOR LONG TERM WHEN IT'S NOT? NO, AND IT'S TRUE.
AND, AND SOME OF THAT IS THE, YEAH, WE'RE GEARING THE BIKE PARKING MORE SO TOWARDS KIND OF THE CUSTOMERS COMING IN.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE ARE SAYING AT LEAST 90% I, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IN ONE PLACE YOU'RE SAYING SUGGESTING LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS, EMPLOYEES, I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD BE A HOSPITAL OR, YOU KNOW.
IT, TO ME, THE WORD EMPLOYEES, UH, IT OPENS UP A, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME, UM, POTENTIAL FOR MISUNDERSTANDING OKAY.
ESPECIALLY THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PAR PARKING DESIGNATION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL OF THE USES, IT'S 90% IS SHORT TERM.
AND IT IS, WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING LONG-TERM PARKING BEING PROVIDED AT EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
WE'RE JUST NOT REQUIRING THE LONG-TERM PARKING BE PROVIDED.
AND SO THERE ARE LONG-TERM, PARKING'S GONNA BE MORE SECURE AND BETTER FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT YOU'RE TARGETED TOWARDS RESIDENCE EMPLOYEES DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE GONNA PUT A REQUIREMENT.
IF I'VE GOT EMPLOYEES THAT I, I'M AUTOMATICALLY GONNA BE THAT THE, THE PARKING DESIGNATION'S GONNA KIND OF SUPERSEDE THAT.
I, I MEAN, I CAN INTERPRET IT BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, YEAH, OFFICE BUILDINGS, THAT MAKES SENSE.
THEY'RE THERE WORKING AN EIGHT HOUR DAY.
THEN I GO OVER THE OTHER SIDE AND I SEE, WELL, NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT APARTMENTS.
AND SO, YEAH, A LOT OF IT IS SHORT TERM AND, AND THERE IS A MIX AND, AND YEAH, THEY CAN PROVIDE LONG TERM, BUT YEAH, WE'RE YET THE, THE, THE DESIGNATION PIECE IS WHERE, UM, WOULD YEAH.
SUPERSEDED THAT FROM A REQUIREMENT STANDPOINT, WE'RE LOOKING MORE SO AT THE SHORT TERM PARKING.
AND THEN YOU, YOU, YOU GET INTO THIS LIKE SPACE IS INTENDED TO BE USED LONGER THAN TWO HOURS.
WHO DECIDES THAT SOME OF THAT'S INTERPRETED, WHICH, AND, AND SOME OF THAT IS A, IT'S, IT'S NOT.
SO ON THE LAND USE BASIS OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING, THAT'S MORE OF A, ARE YOU TRYING TO
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PROVIDE SHORT TERM PARKING OR LONG-TERM PARKING? UM, AND SO YEAH.'CAUSE IT IS CUSTOMERS, SOME CUSTOMERS MAY SAY THEY'S LONGER.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IF I'M, IF I'M A DEVELOPER AND I'M TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, WELL NO, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA GET STUCK HAVING TO LIGHT IT AND COVER IT OR PROVIDE SHELTERS OR WHATEVER.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ARGUE IT'S LESS, THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE LESS THAN TWO HOURS.
SOMEBODY ELSE MAY ARGUE IT'S OVER TWO HOURS.
SO I'M JUST, AGAIN, I'M GETTING IN THE WEEDS HERE, BUT I'M, TO ME, IT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S PROBLEMATIC WITH THE WAY IT'S WORDED.
UM, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IF THE PARKING LOT'S AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING? WHY DOES THE BICYCLE PARKING HAVE TO BE AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? THAT IS A GOOD POINT ON KIND OF THE LANGUAGE SPECIFIC SPECIFICITY.
A LOT OF IT'S, OR THE PARKING LOT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS.
I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY THE FRONT, BUT YEAH.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? NOT STREET FRONTAGE, BUT MAYBE ALL THE EVERYBODY ELSE PARKS IN THE BACK, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, I GOTTA PUT MY BICYCLE PARKING IN THE FRONT.
AND SOME OF IT IS, AND, AND YEAH.
AND MAYBE A LANGUAGE MODIFICATION OF MAKING IT MORE TOWARDS THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
I THINK THE INTENT IS IT'S AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN, UH, THE, THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME WAS ONE BICYCLE SPACE PER 20 VEHICLES.
SO THAT SUGGESTS 5% OF THE POPULATION IS GONNA RIDE THEIR BICYCLE RATHER THAN DRIVE THEIR CAR.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE IN 20, RIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA TO SUPPORT THAT'S THE CASE AS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY RIDING THEIR BICYCLES TO WORK OR SHOP OR RUNNING ERR ERR OR YEAH.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE DATA WHERE YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS, THIS AMOUNT OF PARKING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, YOU KNOW, SPRING VALLEY ADOPTED ONE PER 25 MM-HMM.
BUT IS, IS THERE ANY OTHER DATA TO SUPPORT, THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT MUCH BICYCLE PARKING.
SO THE MAIN IN RELATION TO VEHICLES PARKING.
AND THAT IS WHY WE DID LOWER THAN A LOT OF PEER CITIES.
'CAUSE YEAH, A LOT OF PEER CITIES, FRISCO, ADDISON, HAVE A ONE TO 10, UH, RATIO.
UM, DENTON'S ONE TO 20, UM, AND THEN OTHERS.
SAN ANTONIO FORT WORTH IS SOME DIFFERENT VARIANCES.
ISN'T THE INTENT OF THIS THOUGH, AND I'M NOT SURE THIS COMES THROUGH TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH LIKE, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS.
LIKE IF IT'S RIGHT OFF THE RAIL LINE, YOU MIGHT SAY NO, IT'S ANY NEW BUILDING OR YEAH.
BUT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE THEY CAN SAY THE, THE DIRECTOR CAN BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS USE.
THE SAME WAY WE DO WITH PARKING LOTS WITH, WELL, THIS IS OFF OF A RAIL LINE, SO YOU WANT MORE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND, I GET, I GET JUPITER, THERE'S SOME LEEWAY HERE, BUT, AND RENTER, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS 'CAUSE NOBODY'S PARKING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.
I'M, I'M SAYING IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT, BUT, UH, THE ONE 20 THING, THE OTHER PART OF IT TOO IS I SAW THAT NUMBER.
BUT THEN I SAW LIKE, OKAY, SO YOU GOT A BIG PARKING LOT.
LET'S TAKE, UM, LET'S TAKE, UH, WHAT WAS THAT, WHAT WAS THAT PROPERTY? WE JUST, WE JUST DID THAT HAD THE WACKY LITTLE BACK ENTRANCE WHERE THE TWO, THE TWO OWNERS DON'T GET ALONG.
THE ONE WITH THE, UM, UH, GOD, WHAT THE HECK WAS IT? HAS THE, LEMME GIVE YOU, HAS THE BARBERSHOP AND EVERYTHING IN IT.
SO THEY'VE GOT ABOUT 400 PARKING SPACES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING THOUGH, YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, TO PUT, TO PUT 20 PARKING LOT SPACES IN THAT WHOLE THING IS NOT VERY BURDENSOME TO ME.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE WAY I LOOKED AT IT.
I WAS LIKE, REALLY? IF I HAD TO PUT 20 RACKS OR, OR WHATEVER IN THERE, IS THAT REALLY A BURDEN? ESPECIALLY IF I CAN DOUBLE 'EM UP.
BECAUSE MOST OF THAT, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE 20 SPACES, SO 400 DIVIDED BY 20, SO YOU HAVE 20 SPACES, THAT'S ONLY 10 BIKE RACKS.
THAT TO ME, THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH OF A BURDEN.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT 15 DIFFERENT ESTABLISHMENTS THERE.
TO ME, THAT'S HOW I LOOKED AT, I LOOKED AT LIKE, IS THIS REALLY A BURN OR IS THIS EXCESSIVE USE OF LAND? AND I, I COULD, I COULDN'T FIND A SCENARIO IN MY HEAD BESIDES LIKE, IN, UNLESS YOU HAVE A, A VERY LARGE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, WHICH WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A 5,000 PERSON ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AND YOU HAD THE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH, THEN YOU MIGHT SAY, YEAH, THAT PARKING'S KIND OF CRAZY.
YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH PARK, UH, BIKE PARKING.
UM, BUT, BUT BESIDES THAT, I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T CONCEIVE OF A SNARE WHERE ADDING THESE BIKE RACKS WERE BURDENSOME.
ANY, ANY MORE? MAY ICONTINUE YOU WITH MY QUESTIONS? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S IT.
UM, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW,
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UH, AND COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINA RAISES SOME GOOD POINTS.I DON'T WANNA DISMISS THAT, BUT, UH, I, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A TYPICAL EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, A A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, NORMALLY FOUR PER THOUSAND REQUIRED PARKING RATIO WOULD BE, UM, 400 SPACES FOR VEHICLES FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING AT ONE PER 20.
THAT MEANS YOU GOTTA HAVE 20 BICYCLE RACKS.
SO EACH RACK HAS TWO 20 BICYCLE SPACES.
YEAH, IT, IT, I'M TALKING A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, UH, PAST CHAIRMAN OF THE, OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TODAY, ABOUT 3,400 CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AT RENTER, THE BRAND NEW BUILDING RIGHT AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
AND THEY HAVE ALL THESE BIKE RACKS, BIKE PARKING SPACES THAT HAVE BICYCLES TO USE, UH, JUST AS AN AMENITY.
AND HE SAID, I'VE NEVER SEEN A BICYCLE PARK THERE OR ANYBODY EVER USE ONE OF THESE BIKES.
SO I, MY POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I TAKE A CITY LINE OR TAKE A STATE FARM, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A MILLION SQUARE FEET, AND AGAIN, AT A FOUR PER THOUSAND PARKING RATIO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MEAN 200 BICYCLE PARKING SPACES AT STATE FARM.
NOW, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THAT MANY PEOPLE, I DO SEE 'EM RIDING ALONG RENTER, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THEIR SUNDAY MORNING WORKOUTS.
BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE GOING TO, TO WORK, YOU KNOW, I, I'M SORRY, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT MUCH TR BICYCLE TRAFFIC.
AND SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN RICHARDSON'S GOTTA FOLLOW THE SAME CODE WHENEVER IT'S NEW OR EXPANSION.
JUST, I, I DON'T SEE THE DEMAND THERE.
THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M AT, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER BACKUP ON WHY THIS RATIO WAS PICKED OTHER THAN PURE CITIES ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IT'D BE DIFFERENT BY LIKE, USE A DI DIFFERENT RATIOS DEPENDING ON USE, LIKE AN OFFICE RATIO MIGHT BE HIGHER, BUT THEN LIKE A A A A, IF I WAS GONNA APARTMENT COMPLEX MIGHT MEAN MEAN MORE.
YEAH, NO, WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS, IF I WAS GONNA SUGGEST A RATIO INSTEAD OF ONE PER 20 SPACES, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE ONE PER 200 SPACES.
THAT'S HOW FAR OFF I THINK THE ACTUAL DEMAND AND USE USES VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY FA, I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA TO BACK MINE UP EITHER.
BUT IF I HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND I HAD, YOU KNOW, 200 SPACES, TWO BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, IT'D PROBABLY BE ENOUGH TO MEET THE DEMAND AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT I JUST HEARD, ABOUT 3,400 CENTRAL.
UM, I AGREE WITH YOU TO SOME POINT, BUT AT SOME POINT WE ALSO HAVE TO START ENCOURAGING, ENCOURAGING INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN BIKE TO BIKE THAT LOVE, THAT LIKE TO BIKE WITH THOSE FACILITIES.
UH, SO WHERE DO WE START? DO WE JUST, YOU KNOW, DO WE NOT ENCOURAGE THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO PROVIDE THOSE FACILITIES? BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATE, UH, COMPLIANCE PROVISION.
UH, THEY WOULD APPLY TO DEVELOP TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE WOULD REVIEW IT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THEY'RE PROVIDING US, WHETHER IT'S WE HAVE 10 EMPLOYEES IN THIS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT IN THIS, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
YOU DON'T NEED 20 PARKING SPACES, BICYCLE PARKING SPACES.
YOU MAY, YOU MAY NEED A RACK, BUT THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE TO APPLY FOR A DEVIATION FROM THOSE STANDARDS.
AND I, I, I'M, I, I, YEAH, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE INTENT TO, UM, ENCOURAGE IT BICYCLE, USE BICYCLES TO UM, WIN THE SILVER, WELL, THE MEDAL AWARD OR WHATEVER THAT WE'RE THAT A BIKE FRIENDLY CITY, WE'VE GOT THIS PLAN, WE'RE PROMOTING IT.
I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF OVERKILL.
AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THE DATA AND I HAVEN'T HEARD IT AND JUST, I DON'T SEE THAT MANY PEOPLE NEEDING THESE, THESE MANY SPACES AT EVERY NEW BUILDING.
I, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS IS TO GET AN ENHANCED RATING FOR, FOR LACK OF A MORE PRECISION, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT THERE? IS IT JUST THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THE RECORDS
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OR IS IT SOME REQUIREMENT RELATED TO YOU, YOU KNOW, IS IS IT REQUIRED, IS THIS DIRECTLY FROM THEM OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE JUST KIND OF PUTTING TOGETHER 'CAUSE YOU THINK IT'LL MAKE THEM HAPPY? OR IS THERE ANY OTHER GUIDANCE THEY PROVIDE TO, TO SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT? AS FAR AS THE RATIO? YEAH, THE RATIO IS, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION DOESN'T ASK WHAT YOUR RATIO IS.THEY'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCE AND, AND SEE AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE TO WHAT LEVEL THEY'LL REALLY, UM, GRADE THE HOW MUCH WE'RE PROVIDING.
UM, AND I THINK A LOT OF IT IS VERY MUCH CONTEXT SENSITIVE THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT BIKE PARKING NEED THAN DENVER, COLORADO OR PORTLAND, OREGON OR, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK CITY.
UH, WE HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT LEVEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU START LOOKING AT NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES AND THE BIKE PARKING'S NOT ASSOCIATED TO HOW MANY VEHICLE SPACES.
IT'S BASED OFF, SIMILAR TO OUR VEHICLE PARKING, IT'S BASED OFF OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK THERE, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK YOUR RESTAURANTS AND SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, WE, WE, WE KIND OF MATCH SIMILAR KIND OF IN OUR REGION.
UM, AND REALLY STATEWIDE, UH, BASING OUR VEHICLE PARKING BECAUSE VEHICLE PARKING IS ALREADY ASSOCIATED TO THOSE MORE SPECIFIC.
UM, SO RATHER THAN TRYING TO GET INTO, ALRIGHT, A RESTAURANT NEEDS THIS MUCH BIKE PARKING BASED OFF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND YOU KNOW, OFFICE, WE NEED THIS MUCH BIKE PARKING VERSUS OFF, YOU KNOW, THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, WE MORE JUST TRY TO MATCH THAT RATIO TO THE VEHICLE PARKING RATIO, WHICH IS ALREADY ASSOCIATED TO THOSE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WENT.
UM, AND IT IS, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DATA, UH, ON HOW THE UTILIZATION OF IT AND, AND A LOT OF IT KIND OF THE SAM'S POINT IS TOWARDS THAT ENCOURAGEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S UH, A LOT OF INVESTMENT GOING INTO OUR TRAILS AND OUR BIKE LANE RIGHT NOW WITHIN RICHARDSON.
UM, AND SO LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THAT FURTHER THAT WHEN YOU GET TO YOUR DESTINATION, YOU'RE NOT LOCKING IT TO THE HANDICAP SIGN POLE OR YOUR A LIGHT POLE NEARBY.
SO QUESTION CHAIRMAN, UH, WHAT IF WE WERE TO LOWER THE RATIO TO 10 KNOWING ALSO WHAT I THINK YOU WANNA GO THE OPPOSITE WAY? YEAH, NO, I'M SAYING REQUIREMENT OF RATHER THAN REQUIRING 20, I'M SAYING ONE IN 20 PER ONE PER 20 PARKING SPACES.
SO ONE PER 10 PARKING SPACES IS MORE DEBTS.
BUT KNOWING THAT, UM, ALSO ANY APPLICANT CAN, UH, UM, REQUEST A VARIATION, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, THE REGULATION.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN SOMEBODY CAN AL ALWAYS BUILD MORE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THIS IS THE MINIMUM THAT THE CITY IS IMPOSING ON PROPERTY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS.
AND, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK, I THINK IT'S GOT PROBLEMS. AND LIKE I SAY, I WOULD GO TO ONE PER 200 PARKING SPACES, VEHICLE PARKING SPACES VERSUS ONE PER 20 IF I WAS DOING IT.
NOW THAT MAY BE COMPLETELY IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, YOU KNOW,
BUT, UM, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, UM, I THINK THERE'S JUST THESE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SOMETIMES OF TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING OF, YOU KNOW, OH, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA PROMOTE PARK BICYCLE, ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.
WE WANNA BE RECOGNIZED AS A CITY.
BUT SOMETIMES WE'RE NOW, WHEN WE START PUTTING IT INTO WORDS AND THIS IS THE CODE, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UM, BUT IT DOES GIVE THIS ALTERNATE COMPLIANCE, UM, TO KIND OF SAY, OKAY, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, MAYBE NOT, OR YOU CAN DEVIATE.
AND SO, AND THE DIRECTOR IN THIS CASE, IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR OR CORRECT.
OR IS THAT SOME OTHER BODY DIRECTOR? THAT, THAT'S ME.
WITHIN THE DEFINITION SECTIONS OF THE CEO, IT DEFINES THE DIRECTOR AS THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, AND SO WE HAD WORKING WITH LEGAL, THEY KIND OF SIMPLIFIED THE LANGUAGE TO DIRECTOR.
UH, OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS HERE IT SEEMS LIKE.
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JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.I LIVE AT 1415 RIDGE MOORE IN RICHARDSON, JUST NORTH OF HERE.
SO I THINK I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT'S ONE PER SPACE, YOU KNOW IT, AND SO THAT REDUCES FOR PER RACK.
I ALSO, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT FOR PARKING SPACES, YOU COULD FIT MULTIPLE RACKS INSIDE OF ONE PARKING SPACE.
THAT REDUCES THE BURDEN SOMEWHAT.
UM, BUT WHAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN I GO TO A NEW DESTINATION OR THERE'S SOME EVENT THAT I'LL GO LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, SORRY.
SO IS THERE A BIKE PARKING SOMEWHERE HERE? OR IF FOR THE FIRST TIME I WENT TO IVAN CENTER, I WENT AND I RODE OUT TO THE EMAN CENTER TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT, WELL, WHERE IS THE BIKE PARKING AROUND HERE? AND SO IT'S HELPFUL FOR IF WE WANT TO GET TO THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ACT OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO HAVE THAT SO THAT THERE THE LOWER FRICTION SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO THINK AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT, WELL, WHERE AM I GOING TO PARK? THEY CAN JUST KNOW THAT WHEN THEY GET TO THEIR DESTINATION, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE TO PARK.
NOW THIS WON'T HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE IT ONLY COMES INTO EFFECT WHEN THERE ARE MAJOR CHANGES, BUT IT WOULD BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT TRUST IN THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR DESTINATION.
THERE WILL BE SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CAN LOCK UP YOUR BIKE.
AND SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU COULD SEND THIS TO COUNSEL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF? UH, CAN IT BE ONE RACK? IS THAT TWO BASIC? THIS IS SAYING ONE BIKE RACK PER PER SITE OR ONE FOR SITE? IT CAN BE WRITTEN THAT WAY.
UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF YEAH.
OF, YOU KNOW, OR DEPENDING ON HOW BIG THE SITE IS, MINIMUM OF ONE.
AND THEN AN ESTIMATE IF FOR BREAKING DOWN BY CATEGORY, A DAILY USE FACILITY, A A RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN IMPLYING APARTMENT FACILITY OR A, A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING FACILITY.
COULD, CAN IT BE A REQUIREMENT OF ONE RACK WITH A, BUT A SOME KIND OF GRAPHIC WITH PROPOSED USE? SO THAT'S, SO THE WAY, YEAH, THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW, IT IS A, IT'S A MINIMUM OF ONE BICYCLE RACK.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF, OF TWO BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE BICYCLE RACK, UM, PER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEN YEAH, IT SCALES UP FROM THERE BASED OFF THAT ONE TO 20.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN IT AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE ABOVE THAT IS ADDITIONAL, BUT THE BASE, THE ONE RACK PER FACILITY IS ALREADY, IS CORRECT? YEAH.
SO LIKE, KIND OF THE COFFEE SHOP EXAMPLE, THEY PROVIDED LESS THAN 20 PARKING SPACES AND SO IT WAS STILL A REQUIREMENT.
THEY ARE PROVIDING ONE BICYCLE RACK.
SO THAT, UH, YEAH, KINDA TO ANY, ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE SOMETHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION THEN? WELL, JUST IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION AND DO WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OH YEAH.
IN, IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION, DO WE WANNA, IF YOU WANNA, DO WE WANNA POST A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST, DO WE WANNA REDIRECT THIS FOR REDRAFT? I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THIS IS, THERE'S NO DEVELOPER WAITING ON THIS.
THERE'S NO IMPETUS TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE CAN TAKE OUR TIME AND DO IT.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I'LL MENTION ONE THING ON TIMELINE IS, SO OUR KIND OF, SOME OF THE DIRECTIVE WE'VE BEEN GIVEN IS, IS MOVING TOWARDS BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY STATUS AND KIND OF, WHICH THAT APPLICATION'S DUE JUNE 25TH.
SO THAT IS THE ONE TIMELINE THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE HAVE NO REQUIREMENT.
WE MUST GET IT ACROSS THE LINE BY THEN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS AN IMPACT IN, IN NOT DOING IT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE MOST, UH, ARTICULATE, UM, THOUGHTS ON IT, BRIAN.
SO, WELL, I KNOW, I, I MEAN, I, I WASN'T PLANNING ON LIKE WORDSMITHING THIS TO AMEND IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW IS I'M, I I, I WOULD NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT AS WRITTEN.
SO IT'S NOW THERE MAY BE ENOUGH VOTES HERE TO APPROVE IT AS IS.
UM, OR ELSE WE STAY HERE AND WE WORDSMITH IT AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO, BUT Y'ALL ARE FREE TO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M MOVED THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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STILL ASK QUESTIONS.STAFF THOUGH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YEP.
I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS, UH, AS PRESENTED.
I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA FOR US? UH, NO SIR.
OKAY, THEN WE STAND ADJOURNED.