* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] 24 MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARDSON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES ON THE COMMISSION. UH, ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL, UH, VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS. UH, IN THE CASE OF THE ABSENCE OF A REGULAR MEMBER, A DESIGNATED ALTERNATE WILL VOTE ON THE ISSUE. UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE SEVEN, UM, COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE. SO EVERYBODY'S VOTING, UH, THIS MEETING AS A BUSINESS MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH IN THAT REGARD. AS A COURTESY TO THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, WE REQUEST THAT ALL DEVICES THAT EMIT SOUND BE TURNED OFF OR ADJUSTED. SO AS NOT TO INTERRUPT THE MEETING, OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, FOR THE RECORD WHEN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. UH, TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. UH, EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST. THE APPLICANT IS THEN, UH, PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEY MAY RESERVE ANY PORTION OF THIS TIME FOR A FINAL REBUTTAL. TIME SPENT IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE COMMISSION IS NOT COUNTED AGAINST THE APPLICANT. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES EACH. TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE. WE SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR OBJECTIONS. WE'RE INTERESTED IN GATHERING NEW AND RELEVANT INFORMATION AND NOT INTERESTED IN REPETITION. PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. AFTER A BRIEF REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT, THE HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED. UH, SO NOW WE GET [1. Approval of minutes of the regular business meeting of April 16, 2024 and May 7, 2024.] ON WITH THE AGENDA AND, UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF APRIL 16TH, 2024. UH, THAT WAS, UH, UH, CONTINUED, UH, FROM OUR LAST MEETING ON, UH, MAY 7TH, 2024 IN ORDER TO MAKE, UH, SOME CORRECTIONS THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER BEACH. UH, THAT'S NOW BEEN SUBMITTED AND, UH, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF APRIL 16TH, 2024 AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND COMM, ALL THOSE COMMISSIONER POYNTER, ARE YOU? YES. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THAT'S UNANIMOUS ON THAT. UM, NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UH, FROM MAY 7TH, 2024. AND I'D ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [CONSENT AGENDA] UH, NOW WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. UH, DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL THIS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? IF NONE, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. COMMISSIONER SU A SECOND. YOU GOT A SECOND? ALL IS IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. THAT'S APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. [3. ZF 24-07 Waterwood Villas: Consider and act on a request to rezone approximately 2.22 acres located at 2251 N. Glenville Drive, on the west side of N. Glenville Drive, south of Waterwood Drive, from I-M(1) Industrial to PD Planned Development with modified development standards for a multi-family development. Owner: Midas Richardson III, LLC. Staff: Derica Peters.] UH, NOW WE MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND THE FIRST ONE IS ITEM NUMBER THREE. THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH OH SEVEN FOR WATER WOOD VILLAS. AND MS. PETERS WILL START US OFF. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. ZONING FILE 24 0 7 IS A REQUEST FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT 2251 NORTH GLENVILLE ROAD. THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF GLENVILLE WATER WOOD DRIVE. THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED IN 1989 TO INDUSTRIAL ONE, NEVER DEVELOPED IN 2022, IT WAS REZONED TO ALLOW FOR A FIVE STORY LIMITED SERVICE SUITE HOTEL, WHICH NEVER DEVELOPED. AND MOVING ON TO THE SITE PHOTOS, YOU SEE THE VACANT PROPERTY LOOKING TO THE NORTH. AND, UH, YOU SEE THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THIS PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS A MULTI-STORY DEVELOPMENT. A MULTIFAMILY FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH IS A FOUR STORY LIMITED SERVICE HOTEL TO THE WEST, YOU SEE MID-RISE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND A THREE STORY HOTEL. AND THEN TO THE EAST IS A FOUR STORY HOTEL. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE CONCEPT PLAN YOU SEE HERE, WHICH IS A FIVE STORY DEVELOPMENT ON 2.2 ACRES. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING A DENSITY OF APPROXIMATELY 95 UNITS. AN ACRE SITE ACCESS IS PROVIDED BY TWO DRIVEWAYS, ONE ON WATER WOOD, AND ONE ON GLENVILLE DRIVE. AND PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE INTERIOR PARKING STRUCTURE WHERE THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 275 PARKING SPACES TO MEET THEIR PROPOSED REQUIRED 270 PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS ONE PARKING [00:05:01] SPACE PER BEDROOM. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A MINIMUM OF FOUR AMENITIES ON SITE. ONE OF THOSE MAY BE A SWIMMING POOL THAT YOU SEE IN THE BLUE BLOCK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, AND THAT IS REPRESENTS A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT AMENITY COURTYARD. THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS PRODUCED FOR THIS PROJECT, AND SINCE MINIMAL ROADWAY IMPACTS WILL OCCUR BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT, THERE ARE NO ROADWAY MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED. SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH ITS OWN SET OF UNIQUE STANDARDS, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE SHOWN HERE. UH, AS WE SAID, THERE IS A MAX DENSITY OF 95 UNITS PER ACRE PROPOSED THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE OF 500 SQUARE FEET, A 75 MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND FIVE STORIES. THE FRONT SETBACK WILL BE 20 FEET AND THE REQUIRED PARKING WILL BE 270, WHICH IS ONE PER BEDROOM. THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOW THE, UH, PROPOSED DESIGN. THIS IS A WRAP STYLE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT WITH A FACADE CONSISTING OF BRICK STUCCO, FIBER CEMENT PANELS, SOME BALCONIES PROVIDED ON SOME UNITS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. YOU SEE WHERE THERE ARE STOREFRONT STYLE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE LEASING OFFICE AND YOU SEE THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR IN THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. UH, ITEMS TO CONSIDER ARE THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. AS WE MENTIONED, THERE IS MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, THAT MULTIFAMILY SERVES THE GALLATIN PARK STATION TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT SERVES THE GALLATIN PARK DART STATION THAT IS TO THE NORTHWEST OF THIS PROPERTY. UH, THAT DART STATION IS ABOUT. IT'S A LITTLE OVER A HALF MILE WALKING DISTANCE TO THIS PROPERTY. AND FOR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UH, THAT CALLS FOR REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT HERE, WHICH CALLS FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PRIMARY LAND USE BEING HIGH RISE OFFICE. SO WHILE IT DOESN'T MENTION RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT DOES CALL FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH THAT WERE PART OF THAT GALLATIN PARK PROJECT, THOSE WERE APPROVED TO HAVE A DENSITY ANYWHERE FROM 53 UNITS TO UP TO A HUNDRED UNITS PER ACRE ON SOME OF THOSE PORTIONS OF THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH. AND FINALLY, SHOULD THE CPC ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE CONDITIONS WOULD INCLUDE WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THIS REQUEST TONIGHT, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF? OKAY, THEN WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD. AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE CITY PLAN. THERE'S A BUTTON TO PUSH. UH, THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF JACKSON WALKER. UM, WE ARE SO EXCITED TO BRING FORTH THIS PROJECT TO YOU, TO, WE HAVE OUR FULL TEAM HERE. WE HAVE TK AND JOE FROM SPINX, THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, AND WE ALSO HAVE JUSTIN, OUR ARCHITECT. AND IN A MOMENT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE, VICTORIA MORRIS, WHO'S GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE PROJECT. UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A HIGHLY AMENITIZED PROJECT, AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS WATER WOOD VILLAS. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU TODAY. UH, I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SPINX. SPINX HAS DEVELOPED OVER A HUNDRED, UH, 1,650 UNITS. UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 770 ALSO IN THE PIPELINE AND COLLABOR COLLABORATIVELY. THEY'VE BROUGHT ALMOST 10,000 UNITS TO THE MARKET. UM, THEY HAVE OVER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, AND THEY'RE REAL HAPPY TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT WITH YOU. RIGHT NOW. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE VICTORIA MORRIS. THANKS, SUZANNE, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS. THANKS FOR HAVING US TONIGHT. VICTORIA MORRIS, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. UM, SO AS SUZANNE MENTIONED, UH, THERE ARE A FEW PROJECTS THAT FX HAS IN THE PIPELINE THAT I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A, A FLAVOR FOR. UM, AND AS STAFF INDICATED, THE PROPERTY, UH, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS BEEN, UH, VACANT THROUGH VARIOUS REZONING PROCESSES. UM, AND SO WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING AN EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER, UH, THAT HAS A FUTURE IN MIND FOR THIS SITE. UM, THIS APPLICATION PROPOSES A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR WATER WOOD VILLA VILLAS, UH, WHICH WOULD HAVE NO MORE THAN 210 DWELLING UNITS. THESE APARTMENTS, UH, FEATURE VARIOUS AMENITIES, UH, A MIX OF ONE OR TWO BEDROOM UNITS PRIMARILY. [00:10:01] AND THEN, UH, THE UNIT SIZE, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS BROUGHT UP DURING BRIEFING, UH, YES, IT IS 500 SQUARE FEET FOR THE MINIMUM DWELLING SIZE, BUT THAT WILL ACCOUNT FOR ONLY ABOUT 10% OF THE UNITS. UH, THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE WILL BE ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET. UH, THESE UNITS WILL FEATURE OPEN KITCHEN CONCEPTS TRADITIONALLY WITH, UH, LIVING, DINING CONNECTIVITY, AND THEN MODERN LIGHTING FIXTURES AND ENERGY EFFICIENT STAINLESS STEEL APPLIANCES, COMMUNITY FEATURES THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH SPHINX DEVELOPMENTS, UH, LANDSCAPE COURTYARDS, RESORT STYLE POOLS, COMMUNITY MEETING SPACES OR COWORKING SPACES, FITNESS CENTERS, THE LIKE. THIS IS JUST THE SITE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN. AGAIN, UH, THIS ADDRESSES THE MAXIMUM PARKING SCENARIO, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS ALSO ADDRESSED DURING BRIEFING. AND JUST TO SHED A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT, UM, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX EMPLOYEES IN TOTAL WITH ABOUT THREE ON SITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, UH, IN A TRANSIT ORIENTED, UH, AREA SUCH AS THIS ONE. UH, IT'S OUR EXPERIENCE THAT THE ONE BEDROOM, UH, ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM IS ADEQUATE FOR, UH, ACCOMMODATING GUEST PARKING AS WELL. UH, SO THE ONE PER BEDROOM IS A BIT IN EXCESS, BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT. UM, AND AGAIN, JUST THE ELEVATIONS, I WON'T BELABOR STAFF SCRAPE PRESENTATION. SO, UM, AGAIN, THE DESIGN FEATURES JUST BRICK, UH, STUCCO, SOME, UH, CONCRETE PANELING AND, UH, IN INTERNAL GARAGE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL, I GUESS RESERVE ANY TIME FOR REBUTTAL. BUT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. MR. SU, SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE MY LIGHT WAS ON. COMMISSIONER BEACH. HI, UH, SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN. VICTORIA MORRIS. VICTORIA. HI. HI. UM, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO PRESENT. ABSOLUTELY. I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHO YOUR, WHO Y'ALL PERCEIVE YOUR TARGET MARKET TO BE FOR A 500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT OR EVEN FOR AN 800 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. I MEAN, MY WIFE HAS A CLOSET THAT'S PROBABLY 500 SQUARE FEET , SO IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE, UM, WHO THAT, WHO THAT MIGHT BE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S, UH, FOLKS ENTERING THE, THE HOUSING MARKET. UM, I LIVE IN AN 800 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT, SO, UM, I DEFINITELY HAVE AMPLE SPACE. I WISH I HAD YOUR WIFE'S CLOSET, BUT, UM, YEAH, SMALLER, UM, COUPLES, INDIVIDUAL, SINGLE INDIVIDUALS, WORKING INDIVIDUALS. THANK YOU, SIR. PROFESSIONALS OR PROFESSIONALS TYPICALLY. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. COMM PURDY. YES. THANK YOU. ANY, UH, GUESSTIMATION AROUND THE MONTHLY RENT CHARGE YOU'LL DO FOR THESE UNITS? I DO NOT HAVE THAT. I KNOW THAT WE'RE, UM, JUST GOING THROUGH THE, THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND STILL FIGURING OUT THE FINANCING, UM, ASPECT OF THAT. BUT, UM, I'M SURE WE CAN TAKE A MOMENT AND FIGURE THAT OUT IF YOU NEED IT. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? IF IT WANNA TAKE TOO LONG? YEAH. OKAY. I MIGHT, UH, YEAH, JUST ONE SECOND. UM, I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. YEAH, GOOD EVENING. UM, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, UM, FOR A PROPERTY OF THIS SIZE, IT, THE RENT WOULD RANGE, UM, FROM ANYWHERE ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, OR ALL THE WAY TO MAYBE 1500 OR 1600. FOR, AT THE MOMENT WE'RE STILL REVIEWING MARKET CONDITIONS, INTEREST RATES TO SEE, UM, WHAT IS, WHAT EXACTLY THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE AND THAT WOULD INFORM, UM, WHAT THE RENTER PRICE AT. AND I'M SORRY, CAN YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY NAME IS TKE ADDRESS AT 30 30 LBJ FREEWAY, SUITE 1350, DALLAS, TEXAS. AND YOU'RE WITH SPHINX? I, I'M SPX DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TKE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO, I, I JUST HAD A QUESTION. SO YOU ENVISION THIS JUST TO, TO BE MORE OR LESS MARKET RATE HA UH, APARTMENTS. I MEAN, THAT'S STILL, UM, PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION. SO IT IS, IT [00:15:01] IS REALLY UP TO WHAT THE MARKET WILL BE AND WHAT THE ECONOMICS, UM, OF THE DEAL WILL BE AT THAT TIME. 'CAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, THE INTEREST RATES, UH, AT THIS POINT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, SUBJECT TO A LOT OF SPECULATION. SO IS THERE ANY, UH, INTENT TO MAKE ANY OF IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE WHAT THE MARKET CAN BE, YOU KNOW, UM, GOING TO BOIL DOWN TO WHAT OUR INTEREST RATES ARE AND WHAT, UM, INFLATION IS AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AND REALLY DOWN TO WHAT THE MARKET STUDY SHOWS THE MARKET WILL BE AT. RIGHT, OKAY. SO MARKET RATE, APARTMENT HOUSING? YEAH, DEFINITELY. YEAH. AND DO YOU KNOW, UM, ROUGHLY WHAT MIX OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOMS OR THREE BEDROOMS POSSIBLY YOU WOULD HAVE IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT? SURE. UM, AT THE MOMENT IT'S 10%. UM, STUDIOS, WE HAVE ABOUT 40% ONE BEDROOMS AND ABOUT, UH, 35%, TWO BEDROOMS. OKAY. I BELIEVE. ALRIGHT. I, I JUST HAD A QUESTION OF, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T DO MORE, UH, BALCONIES ON THE, UH, EXTERIOR? IS THERE ARE, ARE THOSE LIMITED TO CERTAIN SIZE UNITS OR IS IT JUST UM, UM, I WOULD DEFER TO OUR ARCHITECT TO SPEAK TO THAT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE. JUSTIN, HELLO, I'M JUSTIN VAUGHN WITH HLR ARCHITECTS, UH, 1 0 6 6 0 LAKE HAVEN DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 8. SO WE'VE DONE A COUPLE PROJECTS WITH FX, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN, I THINK IN BOTH OUR OPINIONS VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND THEY'RE NOT A GROUP THAT HAS TYPICALLY DONE A HUNDRED PERCENT BALCONIES LIKE SOME OTHER, UM, APARTMENT DEVELOPERS. SO IT HELPS KIND OF IN THEIR RANGE OF MIX THAT SOME OF THE UNITS ARE GONNA HAVE BALCONIES AND WILL HAVE A HIGHER RENT RANGE AND SOME WILL NOT. AND IT JUST GIVES MORE OPTIONS FOR THE TENANTS. BUT WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BALCONIES FACING, UH, THE TWO MAIN STREETS. UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE CORNER HERE AND THERE WILL BE BALCONIES OVERLOOKING THE AMENITY, UH, COURTYARD THAT IS INTERNAL TO THE PROJECT. SO IT'S, ALL GROUPS ARE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SOME DO LESS BALCONY, SOME DO MORE. IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT PROVIDING DIFFERENT CHOICE AT DIFFERENT PRICE RANGES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW? NOTHING FROM ME. THANK YOU. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. UH, THANK YOU. WE WILL, UH, UH, SAVE YOU FOR AFTER IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THANK YOU. THANK, YEAH. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS THAT HAVE REGISTERED FOR THIS OR, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, DEREK, WOULD ANYONE, UH, UH, LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER FINAL REMARKS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'D, UH, MOVE THAT, UH, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND, UH, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UM, AND I THINK IN GENERAL, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS SITE, UM, QUITE A BIT IN THE PAST. OBVIOUSLY LAST TIME WE APPROVED A HOTEL. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CERTAINLY A RESIDENTIAL USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH, UM, THE HOTELS, THE, AND THE, UH, APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH, AND CERTAINLY BEING CLOSE TO THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DISTRICT. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE USE BEING, UM, APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE. UM, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SAY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER END PRODUCT. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT AREA, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT AREA'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW WITH THE, UM, KIND LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS, THE, UH, EXTENDED STAY HOTELS. UH, I'M WORRIED, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH A MAYBE NOT AS HIGH A QUALITY PRODUCT OF, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME WE MIGHT SEE SOME DETERIORATION IN KIND OF THE, UM, UH, THE RESIDENTS THERE AND THAT, AND THAT QUADRANT. SO, UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY [00:20:01] A LIMITED SERVICE HOTEL WOULD DO MUCH HELP AT EITHER, WHICH IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. SO I'M HOPING THAT, UH, AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MY, UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE BALCONIES. UM, AND, UH, I, I WOULD, AND, AND THE MARKET RATE AND KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING THERE. SO I'M ACTUALLY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IT'S MARKET RATE. I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A HIGHER QUALITY STANDARD, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY IN THE BUSINESS OF LIKE, DESIGNING THE PROJECTS HERE. UM, AND, UH, IT'S MORE ABOUT LAND USE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IN A REZONING CASE. BUT THAT, THOSE ARE JUST MY PERSONAL, UH, FEELINGS ON THAT. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, THEN I'D MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, ZONING FILE 24 DASH OH SEVEN, UH, AS PRESENTED. COMMISSIONER SACK SECOND. THAT GOT A, A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO WE HAVE SIX TO ONE WITH COMMISSIONER BEACH AND OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. UH, WE'LL [4. ZF 24-08 ATRE Waterview Student Apartments: Consider and act on a request to amend the PD Planned Development for a 13.03-acre development located between Waterview Parkway and President George Bush Highway, east of Frankford Road, to allow student-purpose built apartments on the east side of the property in lieu of apartments and amendments to the development standards. Owner: Mehrdad Mazaheri. Staff: Sam Chavez.] MOVE ON TO, UH, NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS, UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THIS IS, UH, ZONING FILE 24 DASH OH EIGHT. THE A TRE, UH, WATERVIEW STUDENT APARTMENTS AND MR. CHAVEZ IS, UH, THIS ITEM IS, UH, ZONING FILE 24 DASH ZERO EIGHT. IT'S A REQUEST TO AMEND AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED BETWEEN WATERVIEW PARKWAY AND GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY EAST OF FRANKFURT ROAD. UH, THE, THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS PD, WHICH IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND IT HAS ITS OWN SET OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UH, THE REQUEST OF THE NIGHT IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING PD TO ALLOW PURPOSE-BUILT STUDENT APARTMENTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN LIEU OF APARTMENTS OR MARKET RATE APARTMENTS AND AMENDMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR, FOR THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE CURRENT APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE SITE. AND WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE IS THE AREA THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THESE AMENDMENTS. UH, CURRENTLY, UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THAT SITE IS 335. NUMBER OF BEDS, 450, UH, PARKING. UH, THERE'S 450 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED AT A RATE OF ONE SPACE PER BEDROOM. UH, THEY'RE PROVIDING 475 PARKING SPACES, WHICH SLIGHTLY OVER THAT ONE, ONE SPACE PER BEDROOM. THERE ARE LIVE, THERE ARE FIVE LIVED WORK UNITS, AND THERE'S, UH, 1300 AND, UH, 13,500 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL CO COWORKING SPACE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UH, THERE'S REALLY, REALLY NO CHANGE TO THE CONCEPT PLAN OTHER THAN WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY. AND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, 173 UNITS. UH, THERE'S, UH, 534 BEDS. UH, THEY'RE PROVIDING, OR, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 428 PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS 0.8 SPACES PER BEDROOM, WHICH IS THE SAME PARKING RATIO THAT WAS APPROVED AND APPLIED TO THIS PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. UH, THEY'RE PROVIDING 503 PARKING SPACES, SLIGHTLY OVER THE 0.8 SPACES AT 0.94 SPACES PER BEDROOM. UH, THEY, THEY STILL HAVE FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS AND THEY REDUCED THE, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RETAIL COWORKING SPACE TO 8,000, UH, AND 24 SQUARE FEET. THIS, THIS SLIDE HERE, UH, COMPARES WHAT IS APPROVED AND WHAT IS PROPOSED. YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE USE IS ITSELF IS STILL APARTMENTS. UH, THE CURRENTLY AREA WAS, UH, DESIGNATED AS SUB AREA TWO. NOW, NOW WITH THIS REQUEST, IT'S PHASE ONE, AND THAT IS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT B IN YOUR, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. UH, THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY MARKET RATE APARTMENTS. THEY ARE NOW PROPOSING, UH, TO BE PURPOSE-BUILT STUDENT APARTMENTS MIXED USE. SO THEY STILL HAVE THAT MIXED USE COMPONENT, THE RETAIL, THE COWORKING SPACE, AND THE LIVE WORK UNITS. UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS, THEY WENT FROM 335 TO 173 UNITS. SO THEY LOST, OR THAT'S A REDUCTION IN 162 UNITS. UH, NUMBER OF BEDS. UH, THEY WENT FROM 450 BEDS TO 534 BEDS, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 84 BEDROOMS. UH, REQUIRED PARKING, THEY WENT FROM 450 TO 428 IS A REDUCTION OF, UH, 22 PARKING SPACES. AND REALLY THAT SPACE ON THE PROPOSED PARKING RATIO OF, UH, 0.8, [00:25:01] UH, SPACES PER BED, THEY'RE PROVIDING 470. UH, THEY'RE PROVIDING 503, UH, IN LIEU OF THE 4 75 THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING PREVIOUSLY FOR AN INCREASE OF 28 PARKING SPACES. THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, UH, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A SHUTTLE SERVICE. UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO PROVIDE SHUTTLE SERVICE, UH, TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS ALSO, UH, PURPOSE-BUILT, UH, STUDENT APARTMENTS. THEY STILL HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF LIVE WORK UNITS, WHICH ARE FIVE. AND LIKE I, UH, STATED PREVIOUSLY, THEY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RETAIL AND COWORKING AREA, UH, FROM 13,500 SQUARE FEET TO 8,024 SQUARE FEET FOR A REDUCTION OF 5,476 SQUARE FEET. THE EXHIBIT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THE CURRENT PHASING PLAN. THAT'S THE OTHER AMENDMENT, UH, THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS THE CHANGE IN THE PHASING PLAN. SO THE CURRENT, UH, PHASING PLAN, UH, A CO COULD NOT BE ISSUED FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH IS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UH, UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS COMPLETE FOR PHASE TWO, PHASE TWO, THE PHASE TWO APARTMENTS WERE, WERE, UH, IN VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION, MEANING THAT THEY WERE AT LEAST COMPLETE TO THE FIRST FLOOR IN FRAMING. AND THEN ALSO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE, THE, A SIDEWALK ALONG WATERVIEW AND A CONNECTING SIDEWALK BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND THAT THE WATER WATERVIEW SIDEWALK WERE, WERE IN PLACE. WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, IS THAT A CO A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UH, COULD NOT BE ISSUED FOR PHASE ONE UNTIL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS COMPLETE FOR PHASE TWO, PHASE TWO A AND PHASE TWO B UH, WATER, THE, UH, WATERVIEW SIDEWALK ALONG, UH, WATERVIEW OF COURSE, AND IT'S CONNECTING SIDEWALK OR CONSTRUCTED. AND SECONDLY, THAT BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY COULD BE ISSUED FOR PHASE TWO RETAIL R THREE R FOUR, WHICH ARE THE TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS ON THE, ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE, AND OR THE HOTEL, WHICH IS PHASE TWO B IN THIS LOCATION, UH, WERE WEATHER TIGHT, MEANING THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UH, THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED TO THE POINT THAT WEATHER ELEMENTS COULD NOT GET INTO THE BUILDING, MEANING ROOF, ROOFING MATERIAL, DOORS AND WINDOWS. UH, SO THAT IS THEIR PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE, UH, TO THE CURRENT, UH, UH, PHASING PLAN. WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR BUILDING ONE IN YOUR PACKET ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR, UH, FOR BUILDING ONE AND TWO. THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR IN MATERIALS, UH, AND DESIGN AS WELL. NOW, WHAT'S DIFFERENT, AND THAT'S ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. THIS AREA, WHICH FACES THE, UH, GEORGE BUSH FREEWAY ARE THE LIVE, ARE THE FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS. SO TONIGHT, UH, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER RE APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED. YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR AMEND THOSE CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST. UH, SHOULD YOU ACCEPT THE COMMISSION'S REQUEST AS, AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION, UH, SHOULD INCLUDE OR WOULD INCLUDE THAT THE SUBJECT SITE SHALL BE ZONED, UH, PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN. AND THAT IS EXHIBIT B ONE, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS EXHIBIT C ONE THROUGH C FOUR, AND THE ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS D TWO. NOW THE ONLY, THE ONLY MODIFICATIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE THE ONES THAT I HIGHLIGHTED IN THE LARGE TABLE THERE. WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. I KNOW THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU. NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UH, I THINK WE GOT MOST OF THOSE OUTTA THE WAY. SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. NOW, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS MAXWELL FISHER WITH ZONE DEV, AND I RESIDE AT 2 5 0 2 GRANDVIEW DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 0. I REPRESENT DR. MAHARI AND, UM, ALTA TERRA ON THIS REQUEST. ONE THING I WANT TO, TO NOTE, I KNOW THAT, AND TO LISTEN TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, THIS IS THE SAME DEVELOPMENT TEAM OF THE PREVIOUS REQUESTS, AND THERE'S VERY, VERY FEW CHANGES. UH, WE HAVE A VERY PASSIONATE CLASS, A NATIONAL STUDENT HOUSING DEVELOPER THAT'S BACK AND EAGER TO BUILD [00:30:01] NOT JUST ONE PHASE, BUT TWO PHASES OF STUDENT HOUSING BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A DEMAND ON THIS PROPERTY AND THE OWNERSHIP IS NOT CHANGING. DR. M WOULD, WOULD RETAIN OWNERSHIP EVEN, UM, ONCE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, AND IT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP. UM, AND THERE'LL BE BASICALLY LEASES, UH, ON THE PROPERTY. SO NONE OF THAT IS CHANGING. UM, ANOTHER THING TO NOTE, AND I'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS AS WE GO THROUGH. THIS IS NOT A BAIT AND SWITCH, UM, SITUATION. UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROPERTY A FEW TIMES. AS MUCH AS WE LIKE COMING BACK, WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. UM, SO THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT THAT AS, AS SAM AS SAM SAID. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN IN A MOMENT. UM, SO THIS, I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH JUST THE, THE REASON WHY, THE MAIN REASON WHY WE'RE HERE, UM, BASICALLY IS IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO, I'LL SKIP BACK, START WITH THIS ONE. SO THE CURRENT PLAN BASICALLY SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD THE WESTERN RESIDENTIAL FIRST. THE WESTERN RESIDENTIAL WAS RESIDENTIAL ONLY, AND THAT WAS THE STUDENT HOUSING COMPONENT. IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO THAT BECAUSE IF WE GO AND WE TRY TO GET A LOAN FOR THAT, THAT PIECE AS A STUDENT HOUSING DEVELOPER, UM, THE, AND, AND WHEN I GO TO GET THAT LOAN AND, AND, UM, IT'S, IT REQUIRES US TO ACTUALLY HAVE PERFORMANCE ON THE OTHER, OTHER PARCEL. SO, UM, IN ORDER FOR US, WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEN WE CAN'T GET A CO UNTIL THE APARTMENT IN THE GREEN OR, UM, THE OTHER RETAIL COMPONENTS START CONSTRUCTION. AND SO I GO TRY TO GET THAT LOAN. NO, NO BANK IS GOING TO GONNA AGREE TO THAT. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. AND SO WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE STUDENT HOUSING DEVELOPER DOESN'T BUILD REGULAR APARTMENTS. HE BUILDS VERY SPECIFIC APARTMENTS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE IN AND YOU ASK, WELL, WHY, WHY'D YOU HAVE THAT APPROVED LAST TIME? WELL, LAST TIME WE WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE A MIX OF HOUSING AND NOT REALIZING HOW MUCH STUDENT HOUSING DEMAND THERE IS, AND THERE'S A TON. UM, AND WE HAD TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS AT THE COUNCIL HEARING. AND ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS, WE WERE TALK, WE HAD TO AGREE TO SOME PHASING THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T, HAD, DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO THINK THROUGH. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE ASKING, WE'RE HERE AT A NECESSITY. WE, WE, WE NEED YOUR HELP TO MAKE THE, TO MAKE STUDENT HOUSING HAPPEN HERE. SO THE, THE CHANGE BEFORE YOU IS VERY MINIMAL. AND I'LL BACK UP TO THIS SLIDE. SO THE ONLY CHANGE IS RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS THE EASTERN PA, UH, MOMENT. THAT ONLY THING, THERE'S NO FOOTPRINT CHANGES HERE. THERE'S REALLY NO USE CHANGES HERE. ONLY THING DIFFERENT IS THAT WOULD BE STUDENT HOUSING. SO WE'D HAVE ONE, TWO, AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO THE STUDENT HOUSING THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE WESTERN PHASE. THAT IS IT. UM, WE WILL HAVE SHUTTLE SHUTTLE SERVICE FOR THAT, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT. UM, ANOTHER CHANGE IS THAT OUR RET, OUR R ONE OUR RETAIL AND TALKING TO SOME OF THE RETAILERS, WE REALLY WANT TO BRING SOME RETAIL THAT THAT WORKS THERE, A COFFEE SHOP, UH, MAYBE SOME PERSONAL SERVICE. UM, WE HAD TOO MUCH DEPTH AND SO WE JUST, WE JUST PROVIDED A LITTLE, A MORE SHALLOW, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE SOUTHERN FACADE OF R ONE THERE OF RESIDENTIAL ONE AND R ONE. AND WE ALSO WANT TO ORIENT THAT SPACE A LITTLE TOWARDS THE WESTERN DRIVE. 'CAUSE WE WANT TO CA THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANY VEHICLE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING ON ONE 90, WE WANT THEM TO SEE THAT RESTAURANT CORNER. SO IT'S REALLY JUST, JUST INTERNAL, UH, SPACING OF THAT RETAIL. WE'RE STILL PROPOSING A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT HERE WITH PHASE ONE. SO ALLOWING US TO BUILD PHASE ONE RESIDENTIAL FIRST AS STUDENT HOUSING, WHAT IT DOES IS WE, WE CAN CONTROL THAT AND GET A LOAN FOR THAT PHASE ONE BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN'T BUILD BOTH PHASES AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE IT'S CONSTRUCTION CHAOS, YOU HAVE TO BUILD THEM IN PHASES. SO WE BUILD THAT IN PHASE ONE. NOT ONLY DO WE PROVIDE THE HOUSING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. SO THE CITY GETS THAT BALANCE. WE'RE NOT ASKING JUST TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL ONLY FOR PHASE ONE. WE'RE DOING A BALANCE OF RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL. AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT, THAT CRITICAL MASS FOR PHASE ONE, THEN WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO, AND, AND LEMME BACK UP WITH PHASE ONE. WE WOULD ALSO PUT IN AND STUB OUT ALL THE MAIN UTILITIES FOR PHASE TWO. SO ALL THE MAIN ROAD, THE NORTH SOUTH ROAD, THE SIDEWALK ALONG WATERVIEW, UM, AND, AND, AND ALL THE INTERIOR ROADS EXCEPT FOR THE, THE WESTERN SECTION, BUT WE'D STUB OUT TO IT AS WELL, UM, WOULD BE BUILT WITH PHASE ONE, SO THAT WAY WE'RE ACTIVATING AND KIND OF PRIMING THE PROPERTY FOR IT TO BE FULLY BUILT OUT. UM, AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THE SIDEWALK THAT WE WOULD BUILD ON MARV, I JUST MENTIONED THAT, BUT THEN, AND THEN WE'D ALSO BUILD A TEMPORARY SIDEWALK SO THAT STUDENTS CAN GET TO WATERVIEW, UM, UNTIL THE HOTEL DEVELOPS. SO FOR PHASE TWO, WE ARE STILL COMMITTED TO, FOR THE WESTERN COMMITTED TO, WE CAN'T GET A CO UNTIL EITHER THE READ STANDALONE RETAIL OR THE HOTEL IS STARTED CONSTRUCTION AND IS BASICALLY SEALED UP. AND SO WE STILL HAVE [00:35:01] THE BALANCE OF COMMITMENTS, IT'S JUST WE GOT OURSELF INTO AN ISSUE WHERE WE CAN'T REALLY BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY AS STUDENT RELYING ON SOME OTHER DEVELOPER FOR THE EASTERN THE EASTERN SECTION. LET'S SEE HERE. I WANNA GO OVER A FEW OTHER THINGS AND TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH. ANOTHER THING THAT'S THAT'S DEVELOPED, UM, FURTHER DEVELOPED NOW THAT CAME UP DURING THE WOLVERINE REQUEST FOR THE O THE OTHER, UH, MIXED USE OF TOD DEVELOPMENT IS RU IS GOING TO BE PUNCHED THROUGH ACROSS THE RAIL LINE. AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR OUR SITE IS IT PULLS OUR TOD PERIPHERY SITE EVEN CLOSER TO UUTD FROM A, FROM A PEDESTRIAN, UM, AND, AND, AND BIKE ACCESS STANDPOINT. BECAUSE OF THAT REDFORD ACCESS IN RED NOW OUR STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CROSS AT THE PEDESTRIAN. THERE'S GONNA BE A COUPLE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, UM, AND, AND TAKE A MORE DIRECT ROUTE TO CAMPUS, WHICH SHAVES OFF ABOUT 800 FEET TO CAMPUS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT GETS THEM OFF WATERVIEW, WHICH IS NOT THE SAFEST STREET. SO ALL THESE THINGS REALLY WORK WELL IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AND SCREAMS AT, AT DEMAND FOR MORE STUDENT HOUSING IN THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY. THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS. AND BEFORE, AGAIN, NOTHING IS CHANGING EXCEPT FOR THE VERY MINIMAL THINGS THAT I MENTIONED. SO THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIVE WORK AND, AND, AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS. NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED. THE, THE, WE DO HAVE FIVE LIVE WORK UNITS. WE, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE PROPOSED ORIGINALLY WITH THE, THE REGULAR APARTMENTS. WE WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING THOSE. UM, THAT DOESN'T MAKE THIS MIXED USE, THE RETAIL DOES, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE A GRADUATE STUDENT. UM, MAYBE AN UNDERGRAD, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE A BUSINESS IN AS AN UNDERGRAD, BUT A GRAD STUDENT MIGHT HAVE A BUSINESS. SO WE STILL THINK THOSE LIVE WORK UNITS ARE, ARE, UH, APPROPRIATE FACING GEORGE BUSH. I'LL MAKE SURE I HIT EVERYTHING HERE. UM, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT TRIP GENERATION. SO THIS REQUEST ACTUALLY HAS LESS TRIPS THAN THE, THAN THE PREVIOUS REQUESTS. AND SAM MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ALL STUDENT HOUSING, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SHUTTLE SERVICE, AND SO THERE'S A 15% REDUCTION IN THEORY ON THAT. BUT ALSO STUDENTS GO TO, INSTEAD OF A, UM, SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN AN APARTMENT WHO GOES TO A NINE TO FIVE JOB, UM, STUDENTS GO TO CAMPUS AT DIFFERENT TIMES. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A DISPERSION OF TRAFFIC, MEANING YOU'RE NOT HAVING, YOU'RE NOT LOADING THE STREETS AT RUSH HOUR, SO MUCH LIKE, LIKE YOU WOULD WITH THE REGULAR APARTMENTS. SO THAT'S KEY HERE. AND WE'RE REDUCING, UM, TRAFFIC. NOT TO MENTION, YOU CAN TELL THERE'S LESS TRIPS FROM STUDENT HOUSING JUST BASED ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, LESS AT 0.8 VERSUS 1.0. UM, I AM GONNA WRAP UP HERE. I WANNA MAKE SURE I ADDRESS EVERYTHING AND I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE. WE DO HAVE FLOWN FROM UTAH, THE STUDENT HOUSING DEVELOPER, MICHAEL AUGUSTINE IS HERE. UM, HE'S COMMITTED TO, UH, GO THROUGH THEIR, UH, CLASS A PRODUCT THAT THEY WOULD DELIVER TO BOTH OF THESE PHASES. UM, AND THEN WE'LL BOTH STAND AND BE READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, UM, IF THERE AREN'T AT THE END. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR REST OF YOUR PRESENTATION OR ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS NOW? YEAH, MICHAEL, AUGUSTINE'S GONNA SAY A FEW WORDS AND GO THROUGH THE REST. THANK YOU. IF THAT'S OKAY TOO. AND WE'LL HOLD THIS FOR, YEAH. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. MIKE AUGUSTINE WITH ALT TERRA 1 4 4, 1 WEST U BOULEVARD, PARK CITY, UTAH. UM, JUST GONNA BASICALLY BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THE BUILDINGS, PROGRAMMING, AMENITIES, OPERATIONS, ET CETERA. UH, NO NEED TO BE REDUNDANT ON EVERYTHING THAT SAM PRESENTED IN MAXWELL. UM, OBVIOUSLY RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, WANTED TO BRING UP SOME JUST REFERENCE IMAGERY OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR RECENTLY BUILT, UM, JUST TO SHOW WE HAVE A SMALLER ONE IN SALT LAKE CITY, UH, FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH THAT WE'RE BUILDING, UM, 65 UNITS, 192 BEDS WITH, UH, REALLY OVERSIZED AMENITIES FOR THIS TYPE. BUT WE HAVE A ROOFTOP DECK, LOTS OF INTERIOR AMENITIES. AND AGAIN, ALL OF THESE, BECAUSE IT'S STUDENT HOUSING, ARE RENTED BY THE BED. UM, WE JUST FINISHED THIS PAST YEAR, UM, AN EIGHT STORY, 115 FOOT HIGH, UM, SORT OF HIGH-RISE BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IN GAINESVILLE, 232 UNITS, 600 AND UH, 63 BEDS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, A ROOFTOP POOL BEHIND THE POOL IS A, A ROOFTOP FITNESS CENTER. WE'VE GOT A CLUB ROOM, A YOGA CENTER, LEASING OFFICE, INTERACTIVE STUDY. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF ABOUT 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF AMENITIES FOR THE STUDENTS OF THIS BUILDING. UM, ANOTHER ONE WE BUILT IN GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA A FEW YEARS BACK. UH, JUST WANTED TO REPRESENT SOME OF THE QUALITY AND AMENITIES. I KNOW AMENITIES WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE, UH, THE PRE-WORKSHOP MEETING, BUT THE AMENITIES THAT WE, UH, DESIGN, BUILD, AND PROVIDE FOR THE STUDENTS OF OUR STUDENT HOUSING BUILDINGS, UM, I WOULD SAY ARE EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN MOST CONVENTIONAL MARKET RATE PROPERTIES AND EVEN LUXURY [00:40:01] HOTELS. UM, AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT MOSTLY CALL IT 17 TO 21 YEAR OLDS LIVING IN THESE BUILDINGS. UM, WE'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL WITH SORT OF DESIGN PROGRAMMING, UM, AMENITIES, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, CAMPUS TO CAMPUS. WHAT SUIT SORT OF THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS IN THAT MARKET. SO JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME, YOU KNOW, IMAGERY JUST TO GET A SENSE OF LIKE THE QUALITY AND STYLE OF AMENITIES THAT WE'RE BUILDING. JUST SOME MORE ON THE SAME PROPERTY IN GAINESVILLE ARROW. UH, THIS ONE INCLUDED ABOUT, UH, 11,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, OF AMENITIES FOR 550 RESIDENTS. AND AGAIN, JUST FINISHING UP WITH AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER PURDY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER UNIVERSITY SPECIFIC AMENITIES BESIDES THE SHUTTLE TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT FEEL LIKE AN EXTENSION OF CAMPUS? I MEAN, MO MOST STUDENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE SORT OF ITS CORE AMENITIES. I MEAN, WE LIKE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN POSSIBLE. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR HIGH RISE IN GAINESVILLE WAS LIMITED BECAUSE OF IT'S A URBAN CORE SITE, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE ROOFTOP HERE. IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT. SO A BALANCE OF OUTDOOR AND INDOOR AMENITIES, BUT GENERALLY BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, STUDENT FOCUSED. ONE OF OUR LARGEST AMENITIES ARE THE KIND OF STUDY CENTERS, BUT WE MAKE 'EM FUN AND WE MAKE 'EM VERY LARGE NOW BECAUSE THE DEMAND, YOU KNOW, FOR STUDYING INSIDE THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE VERY HIGH. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR LEASING OFFICES, OUR GAMING AREAS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE JUST SORT OF ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, STUDENT. UM, WE USUALLY DO, UH, RESEARCH ON DIFFERENT UNIVERSITIES. I CAN THINK OF ONE THAT JUMPS OFF THE TOP WHERE WE DEVELOPED AT, UH, UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS OR URBANA CHAMPAGNE. UM, AND WE WERE ACROSS FROM THE ENGINEERING BUILDING. SO WE DESIGNED AN ENGINEERING LAB BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA ATTRACT A LOT OF ENGINEERING STUDENTS. THAT WAS LIKE, AS IT LED UP TO SORT OF DESIGN AND PERMITTING, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DEFINITELY REACH OUT AND SPEAK WITH UTD AS WE HAVE HERE IN THE PAST, NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE TOPICS, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS WE DO AS SORT OF OUR, OUR RESEARCH WHEN WE'RE FINALIZING OUR AMENITY SET TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN DESIGN SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE SPECIFIC AND AND BENEFICIAL TO THE STUDENTS AT UTD. THAT IS GREAT. I'M A ADJUNCT PROFESSOR THERE AND ALWAYS CONSTRAINED WITH FINAL EXAMS AND MIDTERM EXAMS AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A PLACE TO TAKE THOSE, LIKE SANCTIONED BY THE UNIVERSITY. SO IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD COME TO THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER BEACH. OKAY. I REMEMBER WHEN YOU CAME TO SPEAK TO US THE FIRST TIME I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT BUILDING IT WAS IN, BUT IT'S BEEN BEEN A WHILE. UM, I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL GOING THROUGH HERE AND WANTING TO CHANGE THE PHASING, UH, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY KOOKY, BUT SEEMED KIND OF KOOKY THAT, WELL, WE GOTTA HAVE THIS ONE BUTTONED UP BEFORE WE CAN PUT ANYBODY IN THIS ONE. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANNA CHANGE THE PHASING. GOT IT, GOT IT. BUT IF I RECALL GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, PART OF THE BIG ISSUE WAS WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED, IT WAS GOING TO BE MAJORITY STUDENT HOUSING. AND, UH, THAT WAS DEEMED UNACCEPTABLE. AND SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH, NOW IT LOOKS THE SAME ON THE OUTSIDE AND I'LL GRANT YOU THAT IT DOES, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME ON THE INSIDE. AND SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD NEED TO GO FROM BEING MARKET RATE APARTMENTS TO BEING ALMOST MAJORITY STUDENT HOUSING. WHEN WE DECIDED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, FOUR YEARS AGO, THAT THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT UTD WANTED AND IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT. SO KIND OF GUIDE ME THROUGH THAT, PLEASE. UM, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR THE STUDENT HOUSING PIECE. I UNDERSTOOD THAT LIKE AS THIS EVOLVED AND I BELIEVE THAT LAST APPROVAL WAS, UM, DECEMBER OF 22, UM, THAT A PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DESIRED AND REQUIRED BY THE CITY TO BE APPROVED AT ONE TIME HAD A DESIRE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A MIXED USE. I'D SAY WE'RE STILL MIXED USE, BUT I'D SAY MIXED RESIDENTIAL USE. UM, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY ISN'T SOMETHING WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, BUILD HERE. SO FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE ALWAYS STUDIED THE DEMAND FOR STUDENTS AT THIS UNIVERSITY. SO I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST LOOKED AT UTDS WEBSITE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY NO AVAILABLE HOUSING ON CAMPUS AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE OVERWHELMING SORT OF WAIT LIST THAT THEY HAVE. UM, IN ADDITION, I MEAN DEMAND, YOU KNOW, COMES IN A LOT OF WAY AND BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND AND, AND I'D PROBABLY ALSO SAY BECAUSE OF INFLATION, WE KNOW SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND WE PROVIDED SORT OF UTD, YOU KNOW, RENTS HAVE GONE UP 10%. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A SIGN OF LIKE WHAT THE DEMAND FOR STUDENT HOUSING IS IN THIS MARKET. AND AGAIN, FOR US PERSONALLY, ALTA TERRA, WE'VE ALWAYS STOOD IN FRONT OF THIS, UH, COMMISSION ADVOCATING FOR STUDENT HOUSING, SO UNDERSTOOD. BUT THE PLAN, WE AGREED TO WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO, UH, HAD A DIFFERENT MIX. IT WAS MORE, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL FAMILIES, THAT KIND OF THING, AND STUDENT [00:45:01] HOUSING. YEAH. AND THIS IS LIKE, YOU MIGHT TURN YOUR MIC ON, OH, IT WAS LIKE MORE RESIDENTIAL AND STUDENT HOUSING AND THIS IS LIKE, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH, I'D REALLY JUST DO STUDENT HOUSING AND THAT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME AND IT MAY JUST BE ME, BUT THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND. WELL, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WAS PROPOSED. I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THE NEED FOR, FOR HOUSING, FOR STUDENT HOUSING HERE, THERE'S SUCH A HUGE DEMAND AND I REALIZE THE WOLVERINE PIECE, THE TOD IS, IS, IS COMING. UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT THOUGH AT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE OVER 300 UNITS IS ONLY 8% OF THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS NOT ADDING A LOT OF SUPPLY, BUT THERE'S HUGE DEMAND, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE WITH SOME OF THE STUDENTS HERE TONIGHT THAT, THAT THEY NEED DIFFERENT TYPES OF STUDENT HOUSING. UM, AND SO IT'S CRITICAL. AND SO, UM, I GUESS TO SAY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DEEMED TO BE FAMILY AND STUDENT. I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE ARBITRARY. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT COULDN'T BE STUDENT HOUSING, YOU KNOW, ALL STUDENT HOUSING BECAUSE WE AGREED IT COULDN'T BE. WELL, AND THE THING IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SINCE THEN. UM, I'VE REPRESENTED A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF THEM. AND, AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MARKET RATE APARTMENTS THAT DO THAT, THAT ARE BASICALLY SUPPLYING, UM, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE DEMAND OF, OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR 20 TO 30 5-YEAR-OLD RIGHT NOW. UM, AND SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S MORE DEMAND FOR STUDENT HOUSING RIGHT NOW, JUST BASED ON THE FACT THERE'S NO AVAILABILITY. UM, WHEREAS SOME OF THESE APARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING ON THAT I REGULAR APARTMENTS, UM, ARE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ABSORPTION TIME OR ABSORPTION RATE THERE. AND SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH MOST OF 'EM ARE FULL, WE GOT MANY MORE COMING ON BOARD IN THE AREA. AND SO, UM, NOT TO MENTION HERITAGE, YOU KNOW, TO THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN, IN PLANO NORTH OF HERE. SO I THINK STUDENT HOUSING MAKES THE MOST SENSE GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF THE TWO BUILDINGS AND, AND ALSO JUST WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED, UM, AT, AT THE, THE T CENTER ORDER DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF US THERE. OKAY. I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE AGREED TO TWO YEARS AGO AND COME IN WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN. AND LIKE I SAY, I UNDERSTAND THE PHASING. IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE PHASING, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT. I WANT YOUR PRODUCT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT I DON'T FEEL RIGHT ABOUT IT WHEN WE SAID WE'RE GONNA DO ONE THING AND NOW WELL, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS INSTEAD. SO THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH IT. SO I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT UPFRONT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I'M CURIOUS. SO, UH, HAS UDT HAS UTD COMMENTED ON, UH, BEING FOR OR AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT? THEY, THEY HAVE NOT SAID THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. NO. I WAS GONNA ASK STAFF IF WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS ALSO. N NO, SIR. OKAY. YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY DID NOT, UM, HOLD A POSITION THIS TIME OR LAST TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S FREE ENTERPRISE AND THIS IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S ALL, THERE'S A NEED FOR ALL TYPES OF HOUSING. UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE COMPETING WITH THEM, UM, NECESSARILY. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT AND THERE'S A HUGE NEED. I MEAN, UTDS GROWING AT ALARMING RATES. I GOT, IN FACT, MY SON GRADUATES HIGH SCHOOL ON FRIDAY. UM, NOT THAT HE, HE WAS LOOKING AT AT GOING THERE AT ONE TIME, BUT, UM, THE HOUSING IS, IS A HUGE ISSUE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. AND DR. M IS PASSIONATE ABOUT DOING STUDENT HOUSING ON THIS PROPERTY. WE JUST NEED A LITTLE HELP WITH THE PHASING. UM, AND, AND THE, THE RESIDENTIAL TYPE. THANKS. UH, MY QUESTION WAS, UM, WHY, WHY DID YOU FEEL IT WAS IMPORTANT TO REVERSE THE PHASING AND GO WITH THE EAST BUILDING VERSUS THE WEST BUILDING FIRST? WELL, ONE MAIN REASON THAT THE WESTERN BUILDING, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY, ANY MIXED USE COMPONENT WITH IT. SO IF WE BUILT THE WESTERN BUILDING FIRST, THEN WE'RE OBLIGATED TO TRY TO BUILD A RETAIL COMPONENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THAT DOESN'T WORK FROM A FINANCING STANDPOINT. SO IF WE BUILD THE, THE EASTERN PORTION FIRST, WE CAN CONTROL THAT ONE BUILDING SITE. AND IT HAS GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. SO WE, WE PROVIDE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE TRANSIT ORIENTED, PERIPHERY, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IDEA. THAT WAS, I THINK, ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR OUR LAST REQUEST. COMMISSIONER PURDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF THE PRODUCT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN STAGED OR FURNISHED? LIKE WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE WHEN THE STUDENT FIRST COMES IN, YOU CAN SEE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER. UH, THERE'S, UH, YES, THERE'S A UNIT. SO ALL ALL UNITS ARE FULLY FURNISHED, BUT I'LL JUST SAY, I'LL JUST SAY GENERALLY LIKE OUTSIDE OF COLOR SELECTION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BACK, SO KITCHENS HAVE BACKSPLASH, TILE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES TWO-TONE WOOD CABINETS, HARD SURFACE COUNTERTOPS, HARD SURFACE LBT FLOORING, YOU KNOW, TWO-ONE PAINT ON THE WALL AND BASE [00:50:01] TRIM, EVERYTHING'S FULLY FURNISHED. SO WE PROVIDE ALL LIVING ROOM FURNITURE, BEDROOM FURNITURE, EVERY SINGLE BEDROOM HAS ITS OWN BATHROOM, ET CETERA. SO OTHER THAN PUTTING SOME, YOU KNOW, ACCESSORIES AND DECORATIONS ON, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE PRETTY TURNKEY. WOW. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. ONE OTHER COMMENT AS WELL. YOU BET. OKAY. SO ONE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE AGREED TO DO IS THERE'S, AS SAM MENTIONED, THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT PLANNED. UM, IT'S PLANNED ON, WELL, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ONE. THERE WE GO. IT'S PLANNED. UM, IS THIS THING POINT, THERE WE GO. IT'S PLANNED HERE, CORRECT? YEAH. SO THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT PLANNED HERE, WHICH IS REALLY GONNA HELP WITH FURTHER WHERE LIGHT RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THE WESTERN. SO THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT PLAN HERE, AND WE'VE AGREED TO PAY FOR 25% OF THAT LIGHT. SO THAT WILL HELP PAY FOR THAT LIGHT IN ADDITION TO WOLVERINE, WHICH AGREED TO PAY FOR 25%, SO 25, 25 AND 50. SO THERE ARE SOME OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, SO TO SPEAK, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME COMMITMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING, UM, AND AGREEING TO WITH, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND IMPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HELP US IMPROVE THE, THE, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNALING FOR THE AREA. QUESTION, WHAT DID YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED PEOPLE TO SEE THE RESTAURANTS FROM ONE 90? NOT FROM ONE 90? UM, WE HAD, LET ME GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE HERE. SO, UH, WE HAD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS RETAIL BUILDING HERE, WHICH IS IT'S INTERIOR, BUT THAT THERE'S A PATIO AND SOME RETAIL FRONTAGE HERE. UM, AND, AND IN TALKING TO RETAILERS, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO JUST, IF THERE'S SOME, IF THERE'S ANYONE COMING IN A PURPOSE TRIP COMING INTO THE, THE CENTER THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT RETAIL. SO MAYBE THEY'LL STOP IN AND GET, YOU KNOW, A COFFEE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OVER HERE AND THEY JUST DON'T SEE IT. SO AT LEAST GIVES US SOME EXPOSURE ON, ON THIS ROAD AND THIS ROAD AS OPPOSED TO JUST THIS ROAD HERE. DID I IMAGINE THAT YOU SAID SEE THE RESTAURANT FROM ONE 90? I I, YEAH. I DON'T THINK I, IF I SAID THAT, THAT'S A MISTAKE. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT. AND DID YOU WANT, UM, OTHER THAN STUDENTS, DID YOU WANT OTHER NEIGHBORS TO UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE WOULD. I MEAN, AS A RETAILER, WE WANT, UM, IN FACT, I LIVE IN CANYON CREEK, SO I MEAN, I, I, YEAH, I, I GO OVER TO UTD FOR CERTAIN RESTAURANTS AT TIMES. UM, WE WOULD HAVE THAT SAME APPROACH HERE, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE HOTEL. UM, SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE RETAIL WILL PRIMARILY SERVE THE STUDENTS THAT LIVE RIGHT THERE. SURE. BUT THERE'S GONNA BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT PURPOSELY DRIVE TO, UM, THE RETAIL THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY THE PLAN. AND, AND COULD, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO WALK OR BIKE EASILY FROM GRANDVIEW DRIVE? WE, WE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF BIKE RACKS BECAUSE THIS IS A, WOULD BE STUDENT BUILT HOUSING. YEP. THIS IS PATHWAY, WOULD THEY, HOW, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THE, THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHICH WILL HELP WITH BOTH BIKING AND, AND PEDESTRIANS. UM, SO THEY CAN, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME BIKE RACKS IN FRONT OF THE, THE RETAIL BUILDINGS. THE RE THE RETAIL SECTION? YES. OKAY. , WHAT, WHY'S THE HOTEL FACING WATERVIEW VERSUS ALONG, NOT ALONG ONE 90? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY. 'CAUSE IT'S, YEAH, SO WE, DURING OUR SITE PLANNING, WE, WE LIKE THE IDEA OF A BOUTIQUE HOTEL THAT'S KIND OF MORE COLLEGE BASED AS OPPOSED TO JUST ONE ALONG THE HIGHWAY THAT MIGHT JUST SERVE BUSINESS, UH, PATRONS. SO WE LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT SORT OF INTERIOR. AND IT WILL, I THINK WE, IT WILL, WE WILL DRIVE, IT'LL PROBABLY DRIVE AND GET SOMETHING OF A, OF A, A NICER HOTEL AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE RELYING JUST ON TRAFFIC GOING BY ONE 90. LAST QUESTION. FOOD DELIVERY ROBOTS, DRONES. WILL YOU BE UTILIZING THE ROBOTS? WILL THEY BE ABLE TO GO UP THERE FROM UT DALLAS OR DO YOU KNOW? UM, I DO NOT KNOW. DO YOU TO DELIVER, DO YOU KNOW ANY? NO, I'M NOT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA, THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT, IT'S ISOLATED IN TERMS OF FOOD. WELL, WHAT DO YOU, I'M SORRY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY ROBOTS. DEL HAS A LITTLE ROBOT DELIVERY. OH. UM, AS WELL AS DRONE DELIVERY FOR FOOD. I MEAN, PEOPLE, I'M SURE STUDENTS WILL USE APPS TO HAVE ANY FOOD DELIVERY, BUT, UM, WE HOPE TO HAVE A, A COUPLE OPTIONS ON SITE AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH, FOR A LITTLE CONTEXT, UH, THERE IS FOOD NOT, RIGHT, NOT IN THIS LOCATION, IN THAT OTHER LOCATION, BUT FOOD DELIVERY IS, WELL, [00:55:01] RIGHT NOW, DEPARTMENTS AROUND UT DALLAS CAN RECEIVE THE ROBOTS DELIVER FOOD FROM THE PLACES ON CAMPUS. MM-HMM. AS WELL AS IN THE DALLAS AREA, DRONE DELIVERY FOR RESTAURANTS AS PROMINENT, THAT USUALLY REQUIRES A LO JUST A DESIGNATED LOCATION TO PICK UP THOSE ITEMS. SO I'M, I'M ASKING SINCE ONE IS STUDENT SPECIFIC AND THE OTHER IS CHANGING LIFESTYLE SPECIFIC. OKAY. UM, COULD DR. M ADDRESS? ALL RIGHT, SURE. DR. ZAHA, I CALL HIM DR. . GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER AND, UH, CHAIRMAN. UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL ZAHA. I HAVE BEEN IN RICHARDSON SINCE 1997. I'M A TRAUMA EYE SURGEON AND I ALSO HAVE THE LASIK CENTER. UM, THERE'S A LONG STORY HOW THIS PROJECT EVOLVED, BUT, UH, TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT FOOD DELIVERY, UM, THIS BEING A TOD AREA AND OVERLOOKING THE HOTEL SITE, THAT'S DEFINITELY IN MY PLANS TO DO EVERY ACCOMMODATION THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO. I HAVE ALSO REACHED OUT TO WOLVERINE ON JUNE 18TH. I WAS HERE BACKING WOLVERINE AND SUPPORTING THEM FOR THEIR 4,000 UNITS. AND, UM, AS, UH, NOTED ON THE VIDEOS AND THEY CAN BE REVIEWED, THERE'S GONNA BE 4,000 APARTMENTS, BUT NONE OF THEM, ACCORDING TO WHAT AN I UNDERSTOOD ARE GOING TO BE STUDENT HOUSING. IN FACT, WE HAD STUDENTS THAT WERE EXTREMELY UPSET AT THE END OF THE MEETING BECAUSE THEY CAME INITIALLY AND THINKING THERE'S GONNA BE A GEARED UP STUDENT HOUSING COMPLEX. BUT AT THE END, UH, THEY WERE NOT AS EXCITED KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE MARKET RATE. AND FOR SOME REASON IT WAS STATED THAT IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL TO DO ALL MARKET RATE. SO, UH, THAT'S ONE REASON THAT I THINK HAVING THE SECOND ONE CONVERTED, IT'S GOING TO, UH, BE A GOOD MOVE BECAUSE THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO PURPOSELY BUILT STUDENT HOUSING ON THAT 4,000 UNITS. UM, ALSO WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE STUDENT NEEDS, IT WAS ONLY LAST YEAR BECAUSE APP BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THREE YEARS THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF STUDENT HOUSING. HOW DID I COME ACROSS IT? BECAUSE I LIVE NEXT TO UTD, I'VE SEEN ACCIDENTS, I'VE SEEN 'EM AT THE HOSPITAL. I KNOW THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT YOU DON'T WANT YOUR DAUGHTERS AND YOUR SONS TO HAPPEN. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE STUDENTS IN HERE. WHY DO WE NOT AGREE TO GIVE THEM BEAUTIFUL STUDENT HOUSING IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT NEXT TO THE UNIVERSITY VERSUS THEM LIVING 10 MILES AWAY IN HORRIBLE WEATHER, GETTING IN CAR ACCIDENTS, RUSHING TO SCHOOL. I HAVE THREE CHAIN ACCIDENTS, ALL OF THE UTD STUDENTS ON A VIDEO RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE. AND ALL WE ARE REALLY ASKING IS WHEN WE GOT CONDITIONED FOR THIS PROJECT, WE WERE CONDITIONED TO PUT STUDENTS IN BUILDING ONE, ONLY IF THE DEVELOPER IN THE SECOND BUILDING THAT WE'RE BUILDING PERFORMED. AND EVEN THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ALL WE ARE DOING IS CURRENTLY WANTING TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN. WE ARE BUILDING THE FIRST FOUR U, UH, RETAIL WITH THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY LIKES TO SEE A RETAIL. I LIKE TO SEE A RETAIL. SO, UH, THE CHANGE, I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE NEGATIVE ABOUT DEVELOPING THE SECOND ONE TO STUDENT HOUSING, CONSIDERING THE OTHER 4,000 ARE NOT PLANNED AS SUCH. AND, UH, THE JUNE 18TH VIDEO, CPC THAT WAS INTRODUCED, I EVEN REMEMBER MR. MARSH ASKING UTDI REMEMBER YOU ASKING HIM, WHY DON'T YOU BUILD MORE STUDENT HOUSING? I HEARD YOU. I HELD IT BACK. PUT THE TEAM TOGETHER. AND YOU KNOW, EVERY BEAUTIFUL THING THAT HAPPENS, IT TAKES TIME, IT TAKES REFINISHING. YOU SEE A BEAUTIFUL PAINTING, THEY DO ERASE SOME THINGS AND THEY REDO IT. I WANT THIS THING TO LAST AFTER I'M GONE. THIS WILL LAST A HUNDRED YEARS. LET'S DO IT. RIGHT. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO WOLVERINE. I HAVE TOLD THEM I WANT THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO SUCCEED. I CAME IN HERE IN THEIR SUPPORT. [01:00:02] EVEN THOUGH IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS AGO, UTD STOPPED AND CAME IN HERE AND SAID, OH, WE DON'T NEED ANY STUDENT HOUSING. THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. I'M PAST THAT. BUT NOW THAT THEY CAME IN HERE AND THEY SAID THERE'S A MASSIVE SHORTAGE OF STUDENT HOUSING THEMSELVES. NOW THAT WE KNOW THIS, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN. WE HAVE THE DEVELOPER THAT HAS BEEN HERE FOR FOUR YEARS WITH ME. I'VE COME TO THESE MEETINGS 10 YEARS FROM ALL NOS TO ALL YESES, BUT EVERY STEP OF IT, WE GET SHACKLES DOWN TO SLOW US DOWN. AND AGAIN, WHEN UTD CAME IN AND GOT APPROVAL, THEY HAD ZERO RESTRICTIONS ON PUTTING RETAIL. BUT WE DID. AND WE'RE DOING IT NOW. YOU ASKED ABOUT THE HOTEL. I THINK THE REASON WE PUT THE HOTEL THERE, IT WAS CONVEYED TO US THAT UTD WOULD LIKE TO SEE A HOTEL THERE. THAT'S THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOTEL. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. I'VE SPENT LITERALLY HOURS EVERY DAY WORKING ON THIS. WE HAD 400 SIGNATURES FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY THAT THEY WANT TO SEE STUDENTS' HOUSE. IF YOU GO BACK, WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS OF RICHARDSON COME DOWN AND CRY AND SAY, THERE ARE HOMES OUT THERE WITH SIX KIDS IN THEM AND THEY WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS BACK. THEY NEED STUDENT HOUSING AND THEY CAN ALL BE REVIEWED. UM, I'LL STOP IT HERE AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU, DR. MAHARI. UH, THE, UH, YOU KNOW THIS, YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH A JOURNEY HERE AND I COMMEND YOU FOR CONTINUING TO WORK ON IT TO, TO MAKE IT THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT. AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. AND, UH, UH, I, I KNOW LIKE THE LAST TIME I, I ACTUALLY HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, THAT THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS THAT THAT WAS GONNA GET BUILT AND NONE OF THE REST OF IT WOULD. RIGHT. AND, UH, SO I'M ACTUALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS GO TO STUDENT HOUSING, UM, ON THAT BUILDING. AND I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT BEING FIRST VERSUS THE OTHER ONE. UM, LIKE IT, IT WAS, IT'S CURRENTLY, UH, APPROVED AS, UM, YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT WE WERE GONNA BUILD THE FIRST, THE STUDENT HOUSING AND THE, THE, THE APARTMENTS WOULD GO IN, NOTHING ELSE WOULD EVER GET BUILT. AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SEE MORE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, UM, BY ITSELF OUT THERE. UH, SO, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS ONE NOW FIRST, AND WITH THE, THE LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL THAT'S IN THERE, IT WILL HELP. UH, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY THE PHASING AND MAKING SURE THAT IT, IT BECOMES MIXED USE AND IT JUST DOESN'T END THERE. THAT'S KIND OF THE CRITICAL THING THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN LOOKING FOR, IS HOW DO YOU TIE THAT TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HA SURE. IT HAPPENS. AND, UH, I'M IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS MYSELF, SO I KNOW HOW CHALLENGING IT CAN BE, UH, WITH THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WORDED WHERE YOU CAN'T GET YOUR CO UNTIL THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVE GONE VERTICAL, MORE OR LESS. CORRECT. RIGHT. AND SO I KNOW THAT'S A HARDSHIP THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ON ANY, ANYBODY ELSE. SO I THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S REALLY LOOKING FOR IS HOW, HOW CAN WE KIND OF ENSURE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MORE RETAIL? 'CAUSE I THINK THE WAY YOU'VE PRESENTED IT NOW IS YOU CAN DO THE FIRST BUILDING AND THEN JUST STUB IN THE UTILITIES FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. RIGHT. THEORETICALLY YOU COULD QUIT THERE. UM, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THE SECOND STUDENT HOUSING BUILDING, UM, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE VERTICAL ON THE, THE RETAIL, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. MAY I ADDRESS TWO, TWO MORE CONCERNS? SURE. UM, A DEVELOPER OR THE OWNER OF ANY PROPERTY, IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING GOOD, THEY HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT. THAT LAND, I HAVE BEEN ON THAT LAND, DONE SO MUCH UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOWS. WE WERE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT UP TO 800 CARS DRIVE INTO THAT ROAD THAT WE OWN ON THIS LAND FROM ONE 90 TO WATERVIEW. AT FIRST, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A FLUKE. I WENT UP THERE AND I TOOK VIDEOS. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE STRIP OF SHOPPING THAT YOU GET THAT MANY CARS IN THERE. AND APPARENTLY IT'S THE INROAD TO RICHARDSON BECAUSE IF YOU GO ACROSS ONE 90 AND THEN GO AT THE END OF WATERVIEW IS ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF MORE, [01:05:01] EVEN THE UBER DRIVERS FROM, UH, THE AIRPORT TAKE ME THROUGH MY LAND. AND I'M SITTING OUT THERE, I'M LIKE, IS THIS FOR REAL? HE JUST TOOK A RIGHT INTO THIS LAND. ANYWAY, THE TRAFFIC ON THAT STRIP IS SO GOOD. AND WE TALKED AND I ASKED HIM TO PUT SOME OF THE SHOPS ON THIS STREET, AND THAT ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION FROM ONE 90. SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SHOW THAT AREA THAT YOU PUT THE RETAIL ON THAT GOOD? THAT WAS GOOD ACTUALLY, IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE. YOU SEE THE B TWO, UH, SECTION THAT WILL HAVE R ONE, R ONE, I'M SORRY, R ONE SECTION THAT ACTUALLY WILL GET THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT ROAD. AND IF ANYBODY DRIVES UP THERE, YOU'LL SEE UTD STUDENTS USE THAT AS ENTRANCE TO THEIR SCHOOL. THEY COME UP THERE, THEY GO TO WATERVIEW. THAT SAVES 'EM A MILE AND A HALF. SO THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, THIS IS NOT A TAX EXEMPT LAND. I HAVE ENDURED EXPENSES WHERE I'M SELLING THINGS TO PAY THE TAXES ON THIS LAND. THAT LAND, UM, YOU CAN CHECK IS ABOUT $230,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES. WHY WOULD I NOT WANT TO BUILD ON IT? IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S, IT PUTS ANYBODY IN A TIGHT SITUATION. SO, UM, THE OTHER PARTS OF THIS ARE DEFINITELY GONNA HAPPEN AND, UH, YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE LAWS OF BUSINESS. IF YOU HAVE THE TAXES YOU NEED TO DEVELOP IT. AND THAT'S WHY AGAIN, WE'RE HERE MAKING THIS HAPPEN. OKAY. I'LL STOP THERE, BUT , I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ANY MORE QUESTIONS. YES. YEAH. UM, I'M GLAD YOU MADE THOSE LAST COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, WELL, THE NEED TO GET SOME REVENUE FROM THIS, NOT JUST HAVE EXPENSES. COULD YOU COMMENT A BIT ABOUT THE, UH, YOUR, YOU'RE EXPECTED OR, UH, ANTICIPATED TIMING? IF WE GET THE APPROVALS, IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS REQUEST, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE THROUGH FOR PLATTING AND PERMITTING AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. SO I WOULD SAY BREAKING GROUND, YOU CAN PROBABLY GIVE 'EM A, A QUARTER AND A YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY, WELL, I'D SAY GENERALLY, GENERALLY IT TAKES A YEAR FOR, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING OF THIS COMPLEXITY. I MEAN, THE DESIGN TAKES, YOU KNOW, A REAL GOOD SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING, ET CETERA. AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA KIND OF BID IT OUT AND GO THROUGH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR PROCESS. SO I'D SAY LIKE A YEAR IS PROBABLY A SAFE BET FOR BREAKING GROUND FROM APPROVALS. AND SORT OF RELATED TO THAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF OVERTURES HAVE YOU MADE TO UTD ABOUT YOUR PLANNING? I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN VERY AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER ON THE WOLVERINE SIDE. SURE. ARE THEY AWARE OF WHAT YOUR CURRENT PLANS, CURRENT OFFERING, WHAT WE ARE OFFERING, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE UTD WOLVERINE PROJECT, IN MY OPINION, FROM ONE 90. BE AWARE OF THAT. WE DO SIGNAGE, UH, WHERE THEY CAN PUT THEIR PROJECT INTO, UH, THERE SIGNS ONTO ONE 90. THAT WAY THEY HAVE EXPOSURE TO HIGH TRAFFIC. UM, AND I THINK OUR RETAILS SHOULD BE, AS I UNDERSTAND, I I WAS HERE WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO DO THEIR RETAILS, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY TYPE OF WORK AND MAKING THIS RETAIL SECTION SUCCESSFUL FOR THEM BECAUSE RETAILS THAT HAVE EXPOSURE TO THE MAIN ROADS ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO GET MORE ATTRACTION. AND WE HAVE THE MAIN ROAD AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO LET THEM, UH, USE THIS AND EVEN PUT A SIGNAGE FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. WELL, TO BE A LITTLE MORE POINTED, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT WITH ANYONE AT UTD? I HAVE DISCUSSED IT WITH WOLVERINE, WHICH IS THE BUILDER, AND WE HAVE TOLD THEM WE ARE COMPLETELY OPEN TO DO THIS. OKAY. BUT WOLVERINE IS NOT UTD AND WE HAVE SENT LETTERS TO UTD AS WELL. AND AS WE, WE, WE REACHED OUT TO UTD, UM, ON, ON PAST REQUEST AS WELL. UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WOLVERINE IS NOT BUILDING STUDENT PURPOSE BUILT STUDENT HOUSING. THEY'RE BUILDING APARTMENTS. I UNDERSTAND. SO THIS, THIS, THIS COMPLIMENTS THAT RE THAT PROPO THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPOSAL. SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO STUDENTS WHO DON'T WANNA LIVE IN WOLVERINE, WILL WILL LIVE IN ALTA TERRA, AND I SUSPECT THEY'LL [01:10:01] BE VERY HAPPY WITH HIS TRACK RECORD. WELL, IS IT, IS IT THEN, FAIR TO SAY, WHAT MY PERCEPTION IS THAT YOU HAVEN'T COORDINATED ANY OF THIS WITH ANYONE FROM UTD DIRECTLY? NOT, NOT RECENTLY. CORRECT. AND WE'LL, WE MEET WITH ALL OF OUR, CALL IT UNIVERSITY, UM, YOU KNOW, INFORMAL PARTNERS TO DISCUSS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. 'CAUSE WE ALWAYS LIKE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THERE'S USUALLY ALWAYS SOME SYNERGY. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, AS OF RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, HEARINGS WE'VE GONE THROUGH, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT WITH UTD NOW NOTICES WERE SENT TO UTD AS PART OF THIS ZONING REQUEST, SO THEY DID RECEIVE A NOTICE. OKAY. UM, BUT IT'S A UT SYSTEM. IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO, UH, TO CONTACT UTD. THAT'S, BUT THAT'S YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE, I'M SORRY, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE SAT AND MET WITH UTD ON THIS DEVELOPMENT IN DIFFERENT, UM, A A DIFFERENT SORT OF PLAN. SO THIS SPECIFIC PLAN, WE HAVEN'T SAT WITH UTD IN THE PAST IN 2020 WHEN I GOT STARTED WITH DR. MAHARI ON THIS, WE MET WITH UTD, UM, CALVIN, SOMETHING, I FORGET. CAL CALVIN. CALVIN JAMESON. CALVIN JAMESON. THANK YOU. UM, AND DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING, WHO WE ARE, HOW WE LIKE TO SORT OF COORDINATE WITH UNIVERSITIES, ET CETERA. ON THE, THE MOST RECENT PLAN. WE HAVEN'T SAT DOWN WITH UTD YET, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT WE HAVE MET WITH UTD IN THE PAST, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, WE HAVEN'T SAT AND WE WILL EVENTUALLY, I, I GUESS I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE IT'S BAD THAT I RECALL HIS NAME MORE QUICKLY THAN YOU DO THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE TIME TO TOUCH BASE WITH HIM AGAIN. AND THE LAST REQUEST, WE REACHED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES WITH NO RESPONSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I HAVE A TRAFFIC PATTERN QUESTION AGAIN. SO DESCRIBE TO ME WHAT HAPPENS TO TRAFFIC THAT COMES FROM ONE 90 AND HOW THAT, HOW THEY WOULD PROCEED ONTO UT DALLAS? WELL, THAT THEY WOULD, I MEAN, IF ANYONE COMES IN THE SITE, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD DRIVE DOWN, DOWN OUR, OUR PUBLIC ACCESS OR PRIVATE AND, AND DOES THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO WATERVIEW COURT? IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO WATERVIEW, THEN THEY WOULD TAKE A RIGHT AND THEN GO DOWN WATERVIEW AND THEN TAKE A LEFT INTO THE CAMPUS. OKAY. BUT, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE, YOU, YOU CAN'T TAKE A RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE DESCRIBING, YOU CAN'T TELL, SHOW ME WHERE YOU WOULD TAKE A RIGHT. JUST EXACTLY THIS, THIS WILL MAKE YOU BETTER. NO, YOU CAN'T TAKE A RIGHT HERE. YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT WHERE THERE'S A MEDIAN BREAK HERE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE, SO WE ALSO, WITH PHASE TWO, UH, IT'S NOT PHASE ONE. WITH PHASE TWO, WE WOULD HAVE AN ACCESS POINT OUT TO FRANKFORT AS WELL. SO, SO CAN I GO FROM THE CORNER, UH, WHERE YOU DESCRIBED THE RESTAURANT OUT TO THE, TO, AM I GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT CORNER, TAKE A RIGHT AND GO OUT? IF I WERE TO COME FROM ONE 90, YOU, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO DOWN THIS. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE GOING. YOU CAN GO DIRECTLY SOUTH IF YOU, IF, IF YOU WANT, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE A ROUTE AND YOU TOLD ME IF I NEEDED TO RIGHT. GO TO UTD. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, BUT, BUT, BUT REDFORD'S GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, IN FACT, I, I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE PUT THAT PLAN IN HERE OR NOT, BUT, UM, REDFORD'S GOING TO EXTEND CORRECT UP HERE. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE BETTER ACCESS UTD, THAT'S GONNA BE VEHICULAR BIKE AND, AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVED ACCESS. SO, UM, THAT JUST ADDS ANOTHER ACCESS POINT. OKAY. SO JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION. IF I WENT TO WHERE THE RESTAURANT PAD IS, DO I GO BEHIND THE HOTEL? IF I'VE COME IN FROM ONE 90 AND BACK OUT, IS THAT ALL CONNECTED? THIS IS ALL GONNA BE BUILT WITH PHASE ONE. ALL THIS HERE, EVERY, EVERYTHING YOU SEE NORTH SOUTH THAT'S IN GREEN WILL BE BUILT. AND SO YES, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO USE BOTH THOSE. I GUESS I CALL 'EM DOUBLE NORTH SOUTH ROADS. OKAY. YES. AND IS THERE, JUST FROM THE, THAT OTHER ENTRANCE THAT ONLY HAS A RIGHT HAND TURN, IS THERE, UH, WAS THAT PURPOSEFUL? UH, WHICH ONE? THE, WERE THE ONE TO THE LEFT? MY LEFT, UH, IT IS A RIGHT HAND DRIVE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. BUT THE PROPOSAL IS TO PUT A LIGHT THERE AT ONE OF THE TWO. AND THAT'S THE, WE, THAT'S THE RIGHT FIRST THE LIGHT WILL BE HERE? YES. THAT OKAY. AT THE MEDIUM BREAK, WHICH IS THE EASTERN DRIVE SIDE HAS A GOOD ACCESS. I MEAN, WE GOT DEDICATED TURN, LEFT TURN LANES, RIGHT TURN LANES, MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS. IT'S, IT HAS PRETTY GOOD ACCESS, RELATIVELY SPEAKING. OKAY. AND YOU SAID IT DOES HAVE SIDEWALK ACCESS? YEAH, IN FACT, WITH PHASE ONE, WE ARE GONNA BE BUILDING THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK HERE, AND WE ARE EVEN GONNA BUILD A TEMPORARY SIDEWALK FROM WATERVIEW [01:15:01] UP TO THE APARTMENTS. OKAY. UM, SO IT, AND THEN IT'LL BE REPLACED ONCE THE HOTEL SITE GOES, BUT THE OKAY. BUT THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT GOES IN IN PHASE ONE. YEAH. ALL THAT GOES IN PHASE ONE. ABSOLUTELY. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ACK. SO IT'S, UM, BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE LIVED IN STUDENT HOUSING. SO HELP ME, UM, REMEMBER HERE, IT SEEMS LIKE DURING, UM, SCHOOL BREAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE WOULD NOT BE STUDENTS IN RESIDENCE. IS IS PROBABLY, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. I MEAN, IN MOST, UH, MOST UNIVERSITY MARKETS WE ARE FINDING NOW THAT STUDENTS ARE LIVING IN, YOU KNOW, DURING THE BREAKS, I MEAN, FOR HOLIDAYS THEY'LL GO HOME, BUT, YOU KNOW, SUMMERS AREN'T LIKE A DEAD TIME ANYMORE LIKE THEY USED TO BE. SO YEAH, IT'S GENERALLY YEAR ROUND. OTHER THAN HOLIDAYS, YOU'LL HAVE OCCUPANCY IN THE UNITS. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE, BUT, AND I, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE WERE SUMMER BREAKS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THEY DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF SESSIONS NOW. I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE RETAIL, UH, WITHOUT HAVING STUDENTS THERE. BUT THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. YEAH, I THINK STUDENTS GENERALLY DON'T LIKE TO LEAVE THESE TYPE PLACES AND GO TO HOME, YOU KNOW, FOR BREAKS. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH GREAT AMENITIES. I MEAN, THAT'S HONESTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS AS THESE HAVE DEVELOPED. THEY BECOME YEAR ROUND, YEAR ROUND CAMPUSES. SO OCCUPANCY STAYS PRETTY HIGH. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU. WE'LL PROBABLY CALL YOU BACK AFTER THE REST OF THE, UH, TESTIMONY FROM THE PUBLIC. UM, I'M ASSUMING WE GOT A FEW CARDS. SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH, UH, ALL THOSE IN A FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. UH, DO YOU WANT TO CALL OUT SOME NAMES? SURE. Q WINN COMMISSION. SHARE THAT, THAT ON. HELLO COMMISSION CHAIR. MY NAME IS QUEEN WYN AND I REPRESENT COMMENTS FOR BETTER TRANSIT. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, COMMENTS FOR BETTER TRANSIT IS AN ADVOCACY GROUP HERE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AND AT DALLAS. AND WE ADVOCATE FOR THE ABILITY FOR UTD STUDENTS TO GET AROUND THE, BOTH THE CAMPUS AND THE GREATER AREA WITHOUT REQUIRING A VEHICLE. AND WITH, UH, MORE ACCESS TO MOBILITY SUCH AS BIKING AND PEDESTRIAN. PEDESTRIAN MEANS, UH, COMMENTS FOR BETTER TRANSIT IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT PROVIDES MUCH NEEDED STUDENT HOUSING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, UH, DALLAS STUDENTS, WHILE ALSO ENERGIZING THE OVERALL SILVER LINE TOD AREA AND PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE GREATER SILVER LINE AND THE GREATER DART NETWORK TO STUDENTS WHO MAYBE DO NOT HAVE NECESSARILY NEED TO BE ON THE AA THREE ROUTE ANYMORE. THEY CAN LEAVE AT THE, THEY CAN LIVE AT THESE APARTMENTS AND HAVE ACCESS TO A CLOSER COMMUTE TO CAMPUS, AS WELL AS MORE GREATER REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY TO STUFF LIKE, UM, CHINATOWN OR THOSE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT WE LIKE TO VISIT. UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE HOUSING SITUATION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS DALLAS. WE, I THINK AS EVERY STUDENT KNOWS HERE, FINDING HOUSING ON CAMPUS IS A PAIN. I'VE HAD SEVERAL TIMES WHERE I'VE HAD TO GO TO DIFFERENT APARTMENTS, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THEY'RE FULL, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WAYS AWAY. AND I WOULD HAVE TO GET A CAR TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE COMMUTE EVERY DAY. AND ULTIMATELY, I'VE HAD TO END UP WITH LIVING SITUATIONS THAT MAYBE AREN'T THE MOST IDEAL FOR A STUDENT. AND SO, PROVIDING A LOT WAYS THESE HOUSING UNITS ON CAMPUS WILL GIVE US EASIER ACCESS BY JUST WALKING TO CAMPUS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TAKE A BUS OR NECESSARILY TAKE A CAR. AND IT'LL ALSO HELP ALLEVIATE THE HOUSING SHORTAGE SITUATION HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CONNOR HULA. YOU ALREADY HAVE THEIR ADDRESSES THERE. THANKS. UH, MY NAME'S CONNOR. I USED TO BE A UTD STUDENT, GRADUATED THREE YEARS AGO NOW. UM, BUT WHEN I WAS A UTD STUDENT HOUSING WAS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND. BUT NOW JUST AS A RICHARDSON RESIDENT, I THINK MORE HOUSING COULD BE BENEFICIAL. I LIVE IN CITY LINE NOW AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK MORE HOUSING NEARBY COULD BRING TRAFFIC TO THAT AREA. AND ALSO RENTS ARE GETTING PRETTY HIGH, SO JUST MORE APARTMENTS IN GENERAL, WHETHER IT'S STUDENTS OR ANYONE ELSE, IS JUST GOING TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM. UM, SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER. YOU THERE SHOULD PROBABLY BE WAY MORE APARTMENTS NEAR UTD, SO THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP. UM, FINDING HOUSING WAS ALWAYS SUPER STRESSFUL. SO, AND ALSO I LIKE HOW IT HELPS START, I USE DART EVERY DAY. UM, SO YEAH, I SUPPORT THE [01:20:01] PROJECT. THANK YOU. WINTER KEELEY, PLEASE CORRECT ME. THAT WAS WRONG. HELLO. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME, UH, SPECIFIC POINTS COUNSEL, UH, OR CPC BROUGHT UP AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT. SO AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT UTD WANTS THIS DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THERE'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO BE MADE ABOUT HOW UTD AND THE MARKET DEMAND, THE STUDENT BODY ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES. UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I DON'T CARE WHAT UTDS INPUT ON THE HOUSING SITUATION IS. UM, IN THE PAST, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, IN THE PAST, BEFORE WE STARTED GETTING ACTIVE AND, UH, THE LOCAL, UM, SCENE AND GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, ADMINISTRATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN NOTORIOUSLY HARD TO WORK WITH WHEN WE'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH FACILITIES AND HOUSING TO SEEK OUT SOLUTIONS, UH, TO THE GROWING HOUSING CRISIS ON CAMPUS, WHICH CONTINUES TO GET WORSE EVERY YEAR. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON THE WAIT LIST. UM, IF YOU TAKE THE 8 83 EAST OR THE 8 83 WEST DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, AT PEAK TIMES, UM, THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME, YOU WILL BE PASSED UP BY THE BUS BECAUSE IT WILL BE FULL OF STUDENTS WHO DO NOT HAVE CARS. UM, SO DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, THAT PROVIDES A REALLY CONVENIENT MEANS TO GET TO CAMPUS WITHOUT A CAR, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RUT FRUIT PUNCH THROUGH, WHICH I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE, UH, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS. AND IT IS ALSO FINANCIALLY SOLVENT, WHICH IS GREAT TO SEE. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROBOTS. UH, WE DON'T HAVE DRONES, UH, THE TOW BOARDS ALSO, IT WOULDN'T BE PRACTICAL BECAUSE THIS IS SO FAR OFF CAMPUS AND THEY GO TOO SLOW. AND ALSO BIKING WOULD BE, UH, OR TAKING THE SHUTTLE WOULD BE SO QUICK THAT I WOULDN'T SEE THE NEED FOR THIS TO INTEGRATE WITH THE DELIVERY SYSTEM, UH, THAT WE HAVE. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANDREW LASKA, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR LISTENING TO MY COMMENTS. I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS ZONING FILE. I FIRST WANNA SPEAK AS A RESIDENT. UH, I'M A UTD GRAD AND I ALSO HAVE GRADUATE EDUCATION FROM THE PUBLIC POLICY DEPARTMENT OF UTD AND CITY PLANNING. AND I AM FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. UM, I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO WILL BE A HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR NEXT YEAR IN RICHARDSON. AND HER FIRST CHOICE OF UNIVERSITY IS UTD. I DID NOT INFLUENCE THIS. IN FACT, I SAID, WHY DON'T YOU MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE? WHY DON'T YOU HAVE AN EXPERIENCE AND GO TO A DIFFERENT CITY? SHE SAYS, NO, I WANT TO GO TO UTD. FAIR ENOUGH. UM, I BIKE NEARBY, I BIKE TO THE RETAIL NEARBY THIS SITE. AND IN FACT, BECAUSE WE HAVE WORK AT HOME, I BIKE TO THAT RETAIL AND WORK. SO I'VE BIKED THROUGH THIS ENTIRE AREA MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK. I DO THAT. AND, UH, SO I COMBINE THAT WITH HAVING SOME PROFESSIONAL PLANNING AND ZONING EXPERIENCE. AND I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF THIS. AND WE ARE FOOLISH IF WE PASS IT UP. UM, THE PREVIOUS CONSTRAINTS PUT ON THIS APPLICANT, WHICH WERE PUT ON THIS APPLICANT BY THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT BY THIS BODY. UH, WE'RE NOT APPROPRIATE AND WELL BEYOND WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING SHOULD BE INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH. IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. UH, IN FACT, AN OBSERVER OF THAT MEETING WHO WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT, WHO WAS ALSO A DEVELOPER, SAW THAT, AND HE, HIS EXACT WORDS WERE OUT OF CONTROL. THOSE CONSTRAINTS WERE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE OF PHASING. UM, THEY WERE IMPRACTICAL AND THEY WERE UNREALISTIC. WHILE THOSE CONSTRAINTS WERE TECHNICAL IN A ZONING SENSE, A BURDEN OF THE APPLICANT, IN REALITY, THEY WERE A BURDEN TO ANY OF THE FINANCIERS, THE DEVELOPERS, AND THE OPERATORS AS WELL. UM, ANY OF THOSE MENTIONED STAKEHOLDERS WOULD HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE PERFORMANCE OF A THIRD PARTY. AND THAT IS UNREALISTIC IN THIS CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENT OF FINANCE TODAY. UM, AND IN FACT, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT EVEN IN A FAVORABLE TIME OF FINANCE. SO TO PUT THOSE ON THERE BASICALLY IS SAYING NO TO THE PROJECT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT HAS ZONING. UM, I THINK THE, THE, FROM AN URBAN DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHEN WE CONSIDER THAT WE NOW HAVE THIS LIGHT, THIS SIGNALING, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE, UH, BE AN INTERCONNECTION OF REDFORD ACROSS WATERVIEW IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THERE AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A CROSSING OVER THE DART LINE. GETTING A CROSSING OF A, UM, OF A STREET OVER A RAIL LINE, WHICH ISN'T ALREADY THERE, IS A HUGE, HUGE DEAL. AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE WITH RUT FORD GOING OVER THE DART LINE AT THE SILVER LINE STATION. SO THAT PROVIDES, AND FROM AN URBAN [01:25:01] DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THAT PROVIDES INTERCONNECTIVITY FROM THIS SITE THROUGH THE SIGNALING AT REDFORD AND WATERVIEW OVER TO THE DART STATION. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, THAT MEANS THAT ANY OF THE TYPES OF TRANSIT WE HAVE THAT WE SEE TODAY, BICYCLES, ELECTRIC BICYCLES, ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, AND IN FACT I'M GONNA SAY TYPES OF TRANSIT THAT ARE PORTABLE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ARE GONNA COME ABOUT FIVE, 10, AND 10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, ARE ALSO GONNA BE CAPABLE OF GOING FROM THAT STUDENT HOUSING TO UTD ACROSS THAT, ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION. RIGHT? 10 YEARS AGO, WOULD WE REALLY IN THIS ROOM BE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC BIKES AND ELECTRIC SCOOTERS? YOU'D PROBABLY THINK I WAS A NUT, BUT NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 'EM. SO IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO THINK OF WHAT TYPES OF, UM, TO ANTICIPATE THERE'S GONNA BE TYPES OF NEW TRANSPORTATION OF THAT TYPE IN THE FUTURE, AND THEY'LL BE GOING ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION. SO THIS IS A RARE, RARE TIME WHEN YOU HAVE THE FIRST, IN FACT, I THINK AS A 50 YEAR RESIDENT OF RICHARDSON, I THINK IT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN WHICH WE'VE HAD A HARMONIOUS PLAN FROM THE WEST SIDE OF WATERVIEW TO THE EAST SIDE BY UTD. THEY'RE HARMONIOUS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S OCCURRED. AND TO ME THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE DEAL. AND WE'RE DOING IT WITH STUDENT HOUSING. SO I CANNOT EMPHASIZE HOW, HOW UNIQUE THIS IS. PEOPLE SAY UNIQUE AT THIS MICROPHONE ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? THIS REALLY IS UNIQUE, OKAY? BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN ACROSS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE NEXT TO A RAIL STATION THAT SERVES A MAJOR INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT NEXT TO A MAJOR UNIVERSITY. OKAY? YOU SHOULDN'T SAY NO TO THIS. UM, THAT'S BASICALLY MY ARGUMENT. UM, AND I JUST IN FAVOR OF THIS, I WOULD JUST BE BEFUDDLED IF WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THIS AS AS SUGGESTION. THANKS. THANK YOU, . THERE ARE NO OTHER CARDS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, IS ANYONE ELSE, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE REQUEST? JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. YES. HELLO? UM, EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS JULIE ROBINSON. I LIVE AT 600 NOTTINGHAM DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, 7 5 0 8 OH. AND I'M ACTUALLY A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE CORE DISTRICT. UM, I EMPLOY A UTD STUDENT AND I KNOW SHE HAS HAD A LOT OF ISSUES, UH, WITH HOUSING. UM, SHE HAD TO TAKE ON A ROOMMATE THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T AFFORD HER APARTMENT. UH, THERE WERE ALSO ISSUES WITH CLEANLINESS IN HER APARTMENT. UM, SHE PAID WAY TOO HIGH RENT. UM, AND WE ALSO DO WORK WITH, UH, THE CENTER FOR STUDENTS IN RECOVERY AT UTD. UM, AND, UH, MANY STUDENTS DO COME THROUGH OUR BUSINESS. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY BE BENEFICIAL TO STUDENTS OF UTD AND TO OUR COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. UM, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN SO WELL THOUGHT OUT, UM, HAVING THE SAFETY OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ACCESS TO, UH, WALKING OR BIKING TO CAMPUS, IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME. UM, AND I ALSO AM A GRADUATE OF UTD AS WELL, SO I KIND OF SYMPATHIZE WITH THOSE STUDENTS TRYING TO GET TO SCHOOL SAFELY AND HAVE A NICE PLACE TO LIVE. SO I, I FULLY, UH, SUPPORT THIS AS A RESIDENT MOM AND BUSINESS OWNER. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR? ANYBODY OPPOSED THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? NOW? I'M SEEING NONE. UH, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER REMARKS, CLOSING REMARKS, OR IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. THEY'RE GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'D MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING, MR. BEACH SECOND. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY. UH, WELL, I'LL START OFF, UH, . UM, SO AGAIN, I I I, I, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH STATED MY POSITION. I THINK, UM, THE LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS HAD A LOT OF TWISTS AND TURNS. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT FIRST CAME TO ME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION, IT WAS, IT WAS A 15 STORY, UH, BUILDING. AND, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK WAS WITHIN CHARACTER PLUS, THERE WAS, [01:30:01] UM, SOME OPPOSITION AT THAT TIME FROM, FROM UTD, UH, ABOUT WHAT THEY HAD PLANNED. UM, NEXT GO AROUND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I THINK IT WAS MORE LIKE THIS. UH, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OTHER, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, VERSION OF IT IN BETWEEN THERE. UM, BUT, UM, 'CAUSE I DO THINK THERE WAS SOME, UH, PARKING, SURFACE PARKING OVER THERE ON THE WEST SIDE AT ONE TIME. UM, AND, UH, BUT THE LAST TIME AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, IT, IT REALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WENT, IT WAS APPROVED TO START THE, THE, THE STUDENT HOUSING ON THE WEST PARCEL AND THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS ON THE NORTH. AND, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT CONCERNED ME IS I, I DIDN'T WANNA SEE, UH, THOSE, UH, APARTMENTS BUILT WITHOUT MORE OF THE RETAIL AND, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, IF, IF THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, THERE IS THAT POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD BE JUST THAT FIRST BUILDING ON THAT EAST PARCEL, UH, IN GREEN THERE. UM, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME ELEMENT OF, OF RETAIL, WHICH I THINK HELPS OR REDUCED A REDUCED EL WELL, YEAH, SMALLER EL ELEMENT. BUT, UM, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE, THERE IS THAT BIT OF A RISK AND, AND, BUT I, I DO KNOW HOW MUCH OF A HARDSHIP IT IS TO, UM, TRY TO GET THESE THINGS FINANCED, UM, WHEN YOU'RE, IT'S CONTINGENT ON, UH, THESE OTHER, OTHER BUILDINGS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IT, WHERE I'M AT, I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT WHERE IT'S AT TODAY. SO THAT'S MY POSITION. UH, I, YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL FROM SOME OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD SOME RURAL RESERVATIONS. UM, I'M ENCOURAGED THAT SO MANY STUDENTS AND, AND CITY RESIDENTS, UM, SUPPORT THIS. AND MOST OF MY CONCERNS ARE, UH, ARE PRETTY WELL ADDRESSED. UH, I, I THINK THERE'S SOME DETAILS TO WORK OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, WHAT MY THOUGHT ON SOME OF THOSE DETAILS TO WORK OUT IS, UH, AND YOU HAVE, UH, DR. MAARI AND, AND, UH, PARTICULAR BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS ABOUT HOW THE, UM, WOLVERINE PROJECT MAYBE DIDN'T PLAN TO COORDINATE WELL WITH, WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT IN FACT, IT WILL COORDINATE WELL. SO, UM, I'M PRETTY FAVORABLY DISPOSED TO IT. YEAH. AND I THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT THE WOLVERINE PROJECT. THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE. YOU KNOW, THAT IS ANOTHER CASE THAT HAS COME BEFORE US AND THE COUNCIL, UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS. AND, UH, WITH THE WOLVERINE UTD, UH, PROJECT NORTH OF THE RAIL LINE THERE, UH, SOUTH WATERVIEW, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THAT PROJECT IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY IT'S GONNA BE MI MIXED USE, BUT THERE WAS NEVER ANY TEETH REALLY PUT IN TO MAKE SURE IT WAS, IT WAS MIXED USE. AND SO IT, IT SORT OF BREEZED THROUGH WITH A PROMISE BY THE APPLICANTS, OH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT MIXED USE. UM, AND THEY, THEY WEREN'T HELD TO SORT OF THE SAME STANDARD, I GUESS, THAT THIS WAS, UH, THIS, THIS PROJECT'S AT TODAY. SO I DO THINK THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE REALLY WITH THE PASSING OF THAT WOLVERINE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD, UH, SOME OF THESE, UH, APPLICANTS TO IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT MIXED USE AND, AND IN WHAT ORDER THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT, AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE APPLIED IT TO THIS SITE. IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T REALLY GET APPLIED TO THAT 1 1 1 BRIEF ADDITIONAL COMMENT. I'M GLAD YOU WERE SO AWARE HOW, HOW REDFORD AVENUE CHANGED THE SAFETY FACTOR. 'CAUSE PUTTING ALL THOSE STUDENTS ON WATERVIEW FOR MORE THAN JUST CROSSING IT AT ONE POINT, WAS TROUBLE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO BE. YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, UM, IF WE'RE OPEN TO A MOTION, I'D, UH, LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION FOR ZONING FILE 24 0 8 THAT WE, UM, APPROVE IT AS, UH, PRESENTED, RECOMMENDED, [01:35:01] RECOMMENDED FOR, YEAH, COMMISSIONER BOTS SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, ALL YOU HAVE TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I CAN STAND, UM, I SUPPOSE ALL THAT TO BE OPPOSED TO, OKAY. UM, MOTION CARRIES SIX TO ONE COMMISSIONER BEACH IN OPPOSITION. SO THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK. UH, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT ON THAT THOUGH. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE, UH, UH, Y'ALL TALKING MORE TO DR. JAMESON, THAT REALLY DISAPPOINTS ME, THAT YOU HAVE ZERO RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND YOU KEEP PUTTING THIS AS STUDENT HOUSING FOR UTD, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S A PRIVATE, PRIVATE BUSINESS AND Y'ALL AREN'T COMMUNICATING WITH HIM. AND YOU NEED TO, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GOODWILL THERE SOMEWHERE. AND THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO HIM ONCE AGAIN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT, UH, TAKES US TO, UH, ITEM FIVE ON OUR AGENDA. THIS IS ZONING FILE, UH, 24 DASH 10, THE RESTAURANT PARK, AND, UH, MR. UH, CHAVEZ, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, ? SORRY. SURE. CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE A RECESS FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES? YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. UH, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE, FIVE MINUTE RECESS RIGHT DOWN. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, STAFF'S [5. ZF 24-10 Restaurant Park: Consider and act on a request for an amendment of an approved Major Modification of the West Spring Valley PD Planned Development District for approximately 5.3-acres located at 740 S. Central Expressway, on the west side of S. Central Expressway between Floyd Road and James Drive, to allow a Micro-Brewery/Brewpub and amendment of the development standards. Property Owner: Richardson RP Development Corp. c/o Hermansen Land Dev. Inc. Staff: Sam Chavez.] PRESENTATION OF, UH, ZONING FILE, 24 DASH 10 RESTAURANT PARK, MR. CHAVEZ. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 10. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR MAJOR MODIFICATION AMENDMENT. UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN FLOYD ROAD AND JAMES DRIVE. UH, THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE APPROVAL OF A MAJOR MODIFICATION. SO THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO AMEND THE, UH, EXISTING MAJOR MODIFICATION TO ALLOW A MICROBREWERY BREW HUB AND AMENDMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THAT MAJOR MODIFICATION, UH, IN FRONT OF YOUR SITE PHOTOS, UH, THE ONE ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE IS LOOKING SOUTH LO LOOKING TOWARD THE, UH, BEER GARDEN. UH, AND THEN LOOKING WEST ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE, AGAIN, LOOKING TOWARD THE BEER GARDEN, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT SLIDE IS UNDEVELOPED. THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN, UH, IS, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU THERE. UH, WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE AREA THAT IS OF, UH, INTEREST AT THIS POINT. UH, BUT THE SITE ITSELF IS 5.32 ACRES IN SITE IN SIZE. UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY, UH, PROPOSED BASED ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN, THERE WOULD BE 22,644 SQUARE FEET, A BUILDING AREA. MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS ONE STORY, 20 FEET. UH, THERE ARE 227 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE, THAT ARE REQUIRED THROUGH THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION, WHILE THEY'RE PROVIDING 338 PARKING SPACES. AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR BOTH ON SITE AND, AND ON STREET PARKING. AND THE LANDSCAPE AREA IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 19%. UH, IN FRONT OF YOU IS A PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. UH, WE'RE STILL SPEAKING ABOUT THE SAME. ACREAGE BUILDING AREA HAS INCREASED. IT'S ABOUT 25,810 SQUARE FEET. MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, COULD BE ONE STORY, UH, 20 FEET. THE, UH, REQUIRED PARKING SPACES, UH, WOULD BE 258. UH, AND THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. UH, FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THERE'S STILL AT 338, UH, PARKING SPACES ON SITE AND ON STREET. AND THEN LANDSCAPE AREA STAYS AT ABOUT 19%. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR IS REQUESTING IS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE A, UH, FERRIS WHEEL AT THIS LOCATION. EXHIBIT B UH, SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, LOCATION OF THAT, UH, FERRIS WHEEL. IT'S LOCATED ON BUILDING AREA FOUR. IF I TAKE YOU BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, OR TO THE CURRENT APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN, THE NEW REVISED BUILDING FOUR IS A, IS A, UH, IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH BUILDING AREA FOUR AND BUILD AND BUILDING AREA FIVE. SO THAT IS BUILDING AREA FOUR NOW, UH, AND IT SHOWS YOU THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED FERRIS WHEEL. NOW, THE, THE PROPOSED FERRIS WHEEL, UH, WOULD ENCOMPASS AN AREA 80 FEET BY 34 FEET OF THAT BUILDING. [01:40:01] UH, AREA FOUR. UH, THE REQUEST TO BE WOULD BE TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM ONE AMUSEMENT RIDE OR AMUSEMENT DEVICE, UH, AT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET. UH, THERE WILL BE SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE. UH, THERE WOULD BE A FOUR FOOT TALL PERIMETER DECORATIVE FENCING, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD SURROUND THIS, THIS, UH, ELEMENT. AS USUAL, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, APPROVE THE CONDITIONS WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE REQUEST. I'LL TAKE YOU BACK TO THE CONCEPT PLAN. UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE, IS RE IS REQUESTING IS THE ABILITY TO, UH, PROVIDE A MICROBREWERY OR A, OR A BREW PUB WITHIN THIS SITE. IN DOING SO, WE WOULD GO BACK AND AMEND, UH, EXHIBIT B ONE, WHICH ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS UNDER THIS MAJOR MODIFICATION. SO, AS PROPOSED, AS PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT, THE PROPERTY, UH, WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPT BAN, UH, CONCEPT PLAN EXHIBIT B. UH, THE FOLLOWING MAJOR MODIFICATIONS WOULD HEREBY BE GRANTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE EXHIBIT B ONE IN YOUR PACKET, AND THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE, WE WOULD DEFINE, UH, A BREW HUB AND A MICROBREWERY. UH, WE WOULD, UH, ALLOW LOTS TO BE PLATTED WITHOUT STREET FRONTAGE, PROVIDED THE LOTS ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT PROVIDING ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET. THE, THE CURRENT LOT CON, UH, CONFIGURATION OF IT, OF THIS SUBJECT SITE IS, DOES PROVIDE FOR A CONTINUOUS PERIMETER MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT ALONG THE SITE. SO ANY LOTS OUT OF THIS CENTER PART THAT WOULD HAVE ACCESS OR BE ADJACENT TO WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT, UH, ALLOWANCE. AND THEN THE LAST, UH, MAJOR MODIFICATION IS THAT WE WOULD MODIFY THE, THE SIGN STANDARDS, WHICH ARE EXHIBIT C, AND ALSO IN YOUR PACKET, TO ALLOW NEON SIGNAGE FOR MULTI MONUMENT, MULTI-USE MONUMENT SIGNS. AND THOSE WOULD, AND THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY SITE. NOW, THESE MULTI-USE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE EXISTING ON SITE, SO THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL SIGN MONUMENT SIGNS, BUT THOSE ARE LOCATED HERE IN THIS AREA, HERE AT THE VERY KIND OF WESTERN EDGE, OR, YEAH, THE NORTHERN EDGE. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION. NOW, THESE ARE EXISTING, UH, SIGNS. THEY ARE BUILT AT 40 FEET TALL, WHICH IS WHAT THE, THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS ALLOWED FOR. UH, PREVIOUSLY. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL, THEY'RE ASKING THE ABILITY TO ATTACH, UH, NEON SIGNAGE, UH, TO THAT, UH, STRUCTURE. WE HAVE RECEIVED NO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. UH, SO THERE'S NONE, UH, SO THERE'S NO CORRESPONDENCE IN YOUR PACKET. UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY END OF IT. UH, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANTS, UH, ARE HERE ALSO. MR. BEACH. SAM, HELP ME JUST A LITTLE BIT. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FERRIS WHEEL A WHILE AGO, WE SAID IT WAS 45 FEET TALL, BUT THERE'D ONLY BE LIKE FIVE FEET OF IT VISIBLE. THERE MAY BE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT EITHER A ONE STORY OR A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. SO A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, IF THEY DECIDE TO GO THAT ROUTE, WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 40 FEET. BUT THEY'RE ONLY, ACCORDING TO THIS, ONLY PLANTED IN A ONE STORY STRUCTURE. NO, SIR. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT STRUCTURE DESIGNED YET, SO IT COULD BE A ONE STORY, OR IT COULD BE STORY. SO IT ONLY BE FIVE, FIVE FEET OR 25 FEET. YEAH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT. THANKS. MM-HMM, , UH, CAN YOU, UM, IS, IS NEON, ARE NEON SIGNS ALLOWED AT ALL RIGHT NOW? NOT WITHIN THE, THE, THE, UH, SIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR PACKET, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED. OKAY. AND THAT, IS THAT JUST FOR SPRING VALLEY? IS THAT, IS THAT FOR THE WHOLE CITY? THAT IS FOR, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR STANDARDS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ALLOW NEON SIGNAGE. UH, SO IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR. AND THOSE STANDARDS WERE, WERE KIND OF, UH, UH, ATTACHED TO THESE, UH, MAJOR MODIFICATIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. PURDY. SAM, ARE THERE ANY KNOWN ORDINANCES AROUND HOW CLOSE A FERRIS WHEEL CAN OPERATE NEAR TO A MICROBREWERY? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO. . JUST WANNA KNOW. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN WE, THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE ASK THE APPLICANT, [01:45:01] PLEASE COME FORWARD AND AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HEY, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KIRK HERMANSON AT 5 9 4 4 LUTHER LANE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. AND, UH, HERE WITH I AM THE APPLICANT, BUT HERE WITH ME IS, UH, JASON BOSO, FOUNDER, CREATOR OWNER TRUCK YARD, SECOND RODEO. UH, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, PRIMARILY ABOUT THE TRUCK YARD. I'M GOING TO ASSUME, BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY PROPERTY QUESTIONS. UH, JASON, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR ADDRESS JUST SO WE HAVE THAT. UH, JASON BOSO, UH, 5 3 3 9 BONITA AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 6 1. ONE THING TOP OF MIND, I WANTED TO CLARIFY, SAM, I, NEON SIGNS ARE ALLOWED ON THE BUILDINGS. IN FACT, THEY'RE ALREADY UP ON THE BUILDINGS. SO JUST FYI JUST NOT ON THE BIG MONUMENT SIGNS ON EACH CORNER, JUST IN CASE THAT WAS AN ISSUE. YEAH, I, I THOUGHT I'D READ THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED SOME CASES, SO, YES, SIR. SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE IT ON THE MONUMENT SIGN ITSELF? YES. ON THE PANELS. OKAY. DO YOU GUYS WANNA TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR CONCEPT? YEAH, SURE. UM, TRUCK YARD IS AN OUTDOOR BAR, GARDEN, FAMILY FRIENDLY, LIVE MUSIC, UM, FREE LIVE MUSIC SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, ACOUSTIC LIVE MUSIC, UM, TO KEEP A NOISE DOWN. UM, DOGS, BABIES ARE WELCOME. WE, WE WILL PARK FOOD TRUCKS, UM, THAT WILL ROTATE. UM, AND WE, WE WILL ALMOST ALWAYS SOURCE THOSE FOOD TRUCKS LOCALLY. UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE A BREWERY AND IN FORT WORTH, STOCKYARD, IT'S CALLED SECOND RODEO. UM, WE WILL REPEAT THAT BREWERY HERE. UM, IT'S BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL THERE. AND, UM, WE'D LIKE TO BRING THAT HERE. WE, NOW, THERE IS SOME UNDER, MAYBE LET ME CLARIFY. A BREW PUB, AS I HEARD SAM SAY, HAS LIMITED PRODUCTION. UM, SO IT'S MOSTLY MEANT FOR CONSUMPTION ON SITE, A BREWERY, UM, WHICH THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED, UH, AS MIGHT HAVE SOME SMELLS, IS A OF A PRODUCTION PLACE MEANT FOR SELLING IN STORES. SO WE WILL PRODUCE MOSTLY ON SITE AND MAYBE FOR SOME LOCAL RESTAURANTS, YOU WON'T SEE OUR BEER ON GROCERY STORE SHELVES. UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO AT LEAST MENTION, I HEARD, UH, THERE'S SOME, MAYBE SOME FEAR OF SMELLS. A BREWERY ACTUALLY SMELLS GOOD. UM, IT'S COOKED WHEAT, SO IT SMELLS LIKE BAKING BREAD IN THE MORNING. UM, IF THERE'S ANY WORRY OF SMELL THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT HAVE COME FROM A PRODUCTION BREWERY WHERE THEY MIGHT USE CHEMICALS TO CLEAN MASS, CLEAN THOSE THINGS. BUT YOU'LL NEVER SMELL ANYTHING OUTSIDE. IF OUR DOORS ARE CLOSED, YOU WON'T SMELL ANYTHING. IF WE ROLL THE DOORS OPEN, YOU MIGHT SMELL SOME BAKED BREAD 20 FEET AWAY. SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A CONCERN AT ALL. I JUST ASSUME YOU'RE, YOU'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS AND NOT NO FORMAL PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YES. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO, UM, THE FERRIS WHEEL, I, I KNOW YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE, AND HOUSTON, RIGHT? TWO OF 'EM, BUT, BUT, BUT MAYBE THERE'S OTHER PLACES TOO. IT'S BEEN SORT OF A SIGNATURE FOR YOU FOR TRUCKY YARD, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CALL IT A SIGNATURE, BUT IT HA IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR THE COMMUNITIES IT'S IN. WE HAVE ONE IN, IN, IN HOUSTON. WE ALSO HAVE ONE IN ALLIANCE TOWN CENTER, UM, IN A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. AND SO DO THESE OPERATE, AND THIS IS THE SAME SIZE, SAME COMPANY I GUESS, THAT INSTALLS IT, YOU BUY IT FROM AND, UM, THAT YOU'VE USED IN THOSE OTHER LOCATIONS? UH, YES. WE HAVE THE SAME INSPECTORS, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO, UM, DO THE MODIFICATIONS OR THE REPAIRS WHEN NECESSARY. UM, YES. UM, AS FAR AS WHERE THEY COME FROM, THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS. OKAY. UM, AND DOES IT, AND THEN YOUR EMPLOYEES OPERATE IT, THEY RUN IT? YEAH. IT'S VERY SIMPLE TO OPERATE. IT'S JUST A HAND LEVER AND SLOW DOWN, STOP OR GO. UM, SO OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, MAN, IT, IT HAS LIMITED HOURS OF SERVICE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE IT. AND, AND IT IS, IT IS SECURE BOTH BY, BY DOUBLE GATES. IT'S WITHIN GATES, BUT THEN IT'S WITHIN ANOTHER GATED AREA TOO. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD REALLY ANY PROBLEMS. YEP. AND THIS IS, UH, AND THIS, AND ON THE FERRIS WHEEL, IT'S FLUORESCENT LIGHTING, IT'S NOT, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND, FLUORESCENT IS A STRONGER LIGHTING, OR IS IT LED? IT WOULD, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE THE FAUX LED, UHHUH . UM, [01:50:01] THAT CAN, THAT CAN COME WITH, THOSE ARE EASIER TO MANAGE AND PREVENT BREAKAGE AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, SORRY. SO, UM, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, SO I KNOW THAT YOU SAID IT'S GONNA BE ACOUSTIC MUSIC. MM-HMM. , BUT I ASSUME THAT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE AMPLIFIED ACOUSTIC MUSIC. AND I'M AWARE OF THE FACT THAT, UM, ST. PAUL CHURCH BEHIND, UM, OVER ON THE, UH, I GUESS IT'S THE FLOYD SIDE, THE WEST SIDE IS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION ZONE, BUT YES, NO, THEY'RE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION. OKAY. UM, I DON'T KNOW. FOR WHATEVER REASON, THERE'S NO COMMENT. UH, BUT I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD SPEAK TO HOW YOU INTEND TO, UH, BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID OPERATIONS ARE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WHAT ARE THE HOURS? UM, MOST LIKELY WE'LL BE 11:00 AM UH, UNTIL MAYBE 12 DURING THE WEEK AND MAYBE ONE ON THE WEEKENDS. UM, BUT AS FAR AS NOISE GOES, WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. WE, THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, WE WILL HAVE HOUSING PROBABLY FURTHER THAN ANY OF OUR OTHER LOCATIONS. SO WE ARE VERY IN TUNE WITH DECIBEL METER READINGS FROM BOUNDING, LOT LINES FOLLOWING THOSE RULES. WE WERE VERY MUCH, VERY MUCH SCRUTINIZED IN OUR ORIGINAL LOCATION IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS BY THE, I SAW THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HANGING OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, DECIBEL METERS. AND WE PASSED ALL OF THOSE WITH FLYING COLORS. SO WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY ACTUAL TICKETS FROM NOISE COMPLAINTS. WE'VE HAD NOISE COMPLAINTS, BUT THEY DIDN'T, THERE WAS NO TICKET ISSUED. UM, WE JUST FOLLOWED THE RULES OF, OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. AND, AND, UM, AND WE'RE NOT A MUSIC VENUE. THE MUSIC IS NOT EVER PAID. IT'S NOT A CONCERT VENUE. IT'S SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE BACKGROUND MUSIC AND STILL HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH YOUR WIFE AT THE TABLE. UM, THIS IS A, UH, A SOCIAL THING, NOT A, NOT A CONCERT. SO, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, IT'S A BEER GARDEN, SO BASICALLY IT'S GONNA BE EXPOSED TO THE OUTSIDE. YES. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ACOUSTIC MUSIC, IT'S GONNA BE AMPLIFIED MUSIC. CORRECT. UM, SO YOU SAID YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE DECIMAL READINGS AND ALL THAT. UM, I'M JUST, JUST CONCERNED THAT, UH, FOR ACTIVITIES GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET, NOT SO MUCH WITH RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY MAY BE INSIDE, BUT I KNOW THAT ST. PAUL HAS ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE. THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WEEK AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL THINGS YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE AT A CHURCH ON SUNDAY. AND I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, WHETHER THERE'S GONNA BE ANY, UH, NOISE, UM, POLLUTION IN THAT DIRECTION? I HAVE CAN, CAN I SAY A COUPLE THINGS TO THAT END? UM, FATHER SAKOWSKI AND RYAN BUCHANAN, THE YOUTH MINISTER, ARE HUGE SUPPORTERS OF US. THEY'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT NOISE. EVEN WHEN WE HAD THOSE BIG LIVE BANDS, AND BY THE WAY, WE HAD COMPLAINTS, BUT WE WERE NEVER IN VIOLATION EITHER. WE ALWAYS HAD THE DECIBEL READER OUT THERE. THE CITY HAD HAD 'EM OUT THERE. WE WE, AND IT WAS ONE FAMILY REALLY THAT KEPT MAKING THAT COMPLAINT. SO THAT SAID, HE'S NOT GONNA HAVE LIVE BANDS. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO YOUR POINT, THOSE CHURCH BELLS ARE LOUDER THAN THE MUSIC THAT EVER CAME FROM, UH, FROM OLD 75 BEER GARDEN. AND AS SAM MENTIONED IN THE WORK SESSION, THE TRAFFIC NOISE FROM 75 IS OFTENTIMES LOUDER TOO THAN THAT, UH, ORDINANCE ALLOWS. SO THE CHURCH BELLS, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. I THINK IT DOESN'T EQUATE AT ALL. UM, THE FATHERS YOU MENTIONED. YES. ARE THEY FATHERS, ARE THEY PRIESTS AT ST. PAUL? YES. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND WE'VE HAD FINES FOR THEM, BUT THEY DID NOT COMMENT IN FAVOR. THEY A ABSOLUTELY WOULD. I TEXT RYAN TONIGHT, ASKED HIM IF ACTUALLY HE COULD COME UP HERE WHEN I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT IN THE WORK SESSION. HE WAS AT HIS SON'S BASEBALL GAME. I CAN GET HIM HERE IN THE COUNCIL, PROBABLY FATHER SAKOWSKI TOO. WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS WITH THEM. AS THE OWNER OF RICH IN RESTAURANT PARK, WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF, UH, FUNDRAISERS FOR THEM. UH, WE ALLOW THEM TO CROSS PARK AT THE PARKING LOT FOR MASS. UM, THEY ALLOW, UH, CROSS PARKING IN THEIR PARKING LOT DURING THE WEEK IF NEEDED. UM, SO I, THEY, I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY'LL HAVE NO PROBLEM, BUT I CAN, I CAN GET LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM 'EM. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . MR. SUTHER, I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT THE, UH, FERRIS WHEEL. IS IT LARGE ENOUGH FOR ADULTS? YES. HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN FIT IN THE CAR? TWO. TWO, RIGHT CHRIS? UM, YEAH. TWO, TWO PER CAR. [01:55:01] TWO FULL SIZE ADULTS. YEAH. AND AT CERTAIN HOURS IT'S COULD BE MOSTLY ADULTS ON IT. . OKAY. THERE IS ABOUT A 500 POUND WEIGHT LIMIT, THOUGH. IT'S IN THE PACKAGE. IT'S IN THE PACKAGE. , I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT YOU, BUT I'M KEEPING QUIET ON THAT. HOW, HOW YOUNG CHILDREN ARE SAFE TO RIDE ON IT. JUST CURIOUS. UH, CHRIS IS A PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS FOR OUR RESTAURANT MANAGEMENT COMPANY. IS THERE A HEIGHT LIMIT OR A WEIGHT LIMIT? IT'S A HEIGHT LIMIT. OKAY. OKAY. LIKE YOU SEE AT THE PARK, I GUESS. GOTTA BE THIS TALL TO RIDE THE RIDE. OKAY. HOW, UM, UH, HOW WOULD WE KNOW YOUR, UH, IS, IS TRUCK YARD THE, THE NAME OF THE, YOUR BREWERY AS WELL? UH, THE NAME OF THE BREWERY IS, UH, CALLED SECOND RODEO. SECOND RODEO. YEAH. SURE. AS HELL AIN'T OUR FIRST . OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT. . THANK YOU. JUST FIRST MR. PURDY. YEAH. YES. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR RIS WHEEL APPLICATION IN THE HOUSTON AREA, GIVEN THEY HAVE SOME RATHER STRANGE LIKE HIGH WIND ACTIVITY WHERE YOU IMPACTED BY ANY OF THAT. CAN YOU, UH, GIVE CONFIDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET THAT TYPE OF TRAUMATIC WIND EVENT HERE. IT WON'T DO SOMETHING CRAZY INTO THE FERRIS WHEEL ONTO 75? YEAH, THEY DO HAVE TO MEET WIND LOAD STANDARDS. THEY PRETTY MUCH COME BUILT THAT WAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PERSON WHO BUYS 'EM HAS TO KNOW THAT, THAT THEY'RE SAFE. RIGHT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE MOST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOSTLY OF THE MOBILE UNIT. THE, THE CARNIVAL, UH, RIDES NOW WE WILL, UH, MAKE IT PERMANENT. UM, BUT THEY COME WITH LOAD, LOAD WIND LOAD MEASUREMENTS, UM, ALREADY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANNA TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS. SO TRUCK YARD IS GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS NEW BUILDING, WHICH HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET? NO. UM, AND YOU'RE ALSO GONNA TAKE OVER THE, THE, UM, BEER GARDEN, CORRECT? RIGHT. THIS WILL BE IN TWO PHASES. WE'LL FIRST OPEN THE BEER GARDEN, WE WILL ENCLOSE SOME OF THE BEER GARDEN, HOPEFULLY GETTING BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED SEATS IN CONDITION SPACE. UM, AND THEN WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, START THE PLANS AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN 24 MONTHS OPENED THE BREWERY FROM THE TIME WE OPENED THE FRONT DOORS OF THE, THE BEER GARDEN. AND, AND WILL THE BUILDING ALSO HAVE A RESTAURANT OR IS, IS THIS GONNA BE THE, THE IT'LL JUST BE THE BREWERY? WE'LL, WE'LL USE THE EXISTING KITCHEN THERE AND, UH, SOME FOOD TRUCKS. OKAY. FOR ALL THE FOOD SERVICE, IT WILL HAVE A BAR IN IT. YEAH. UH, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A BREW PUB IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A MIXED BEVERAGE LICENSE. IF YOU WERE TO GO DRINK AT A BREWERY RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO DRINK THAT BREWERY'S BEER. BUT YOU CAN COME TO OUR PLACE AND DRINK OUR BEER OR YOU CAN HAVE A MIXED COCKTAIL AS WELL, OR A NON-ALCOHOLIC COCKTAIL. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE COURTYARD PLAZA BETWEEN THE EXISTING RESTAURANTS, I GUESS IT'S DOGHOUSE AND NOW WHAT WOULD BE TRUCK YARD? THAT'S STILL MORE OF A COMMON AREA? IT IS A COMMON AREA. WE ARE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UH, PUTTING THAT INTO OUR TABC PERIMETER SO THAT IT CAN BE A COMMON AREA, BUT THAT YOU CAN HOLD ALCOHOL FROM OUR ESTABLISHMENT ON IN THAT COMMON AREA. I SEE. OKAY. WHICH IS THE WAY WE HAD IT WITH O 75. OKAY. AND THE PD ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPECIAL EVENTS ANNUALLY IN THAT AREA TOO, SO THANK YOU. I MIGHT ADD, FOR THE SAKE OF CITY OF RICHARDSON, WHAT'S EXCITING TO ME FOR, UH, RICHARD AND RESTAURANT PARK IN RICHON, THIS IS THE FIRST WITH TRUCKY YARD AND SECOND RODEO COMBINED. THE HYBRID. SO YOU'D BE THE FIRST TO HAVE IT IN YOUR CITY. SO TO ME THAT'S EXCITING. AND THAT BUILDING HEIGHT HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES, AND I KNOW THEY DON'T KNOW THE EXACT HEIGHT, BUT HE MENTIONED TO ME BEFORE THE MEETING THAT IT, IT WILL BE TALLER THAN NORMAL BECAUSE OF THE, THE BREWERY OPERATION WILL REQUIRE SOME, YEAH. ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE 30 FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS IN OUR CURRENT BREWERY. I IMAGINE THEY'LL BE SIMILAR. SO THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE CLOSER TO 35 FOOT ROOF LINE. YEAH. FOR THE TANKS AND ALL. YEAH. AND THEY'RE ALSO ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS TOO. AND THAT AREA AS IT WRAPS THAT PLAZA. SO COMMISSIONER SU. YES. UM, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES IN THE BREWERY DO YOU ANTICIPATE WHEN ONCE IT IS OPERATIONAL OVERALL EMPLOYEES? UH, CHRIS, CLOSE TO 75. UH, NOT FULL-TIME, BUT 60, 60 FULL-TIME, [02:00:01] 60 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, ACTUAL BREW MASTER AND BREWERY PEOPLE. THAT MIGHT ONLY BE THREE OR FOUR ACTUAL BREWERY PEOPLE. UM, OKAY. THE REST ARE UTILITY BARTENDERS, COOKS. OKAY. THE REST OF 'EM ARE FOR MORE FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE. YEAH. FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUSINESS. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. ROBERTS. YES, I'D, UH, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY MAYBE MY COMMENTS. I WAS KIND OF, UH, UH, EXPRESSING A CONCERN ABOUT THE NOISE, AND I THINK YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, I'M A REGULAR, I WOULDN'T SAY REGULAR, BUT MY WIFE AND I HAVE GONE TO THE DOG HOUSE FREQUENTLY, , YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT WHOLE AREA THERE WITH, UH, THE MIX OF DIFFERENT, UH, RESTAURANTS AND THAT, I THINK IT'S A, A NEAT AREA AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GROW. SO I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD IDEA AND I THINK IT'D BE A WELCOME ADDITION. BUT, UH, I DO JUST HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NOISE AND RIGHTFULLY SO. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT COMES UP EVERY TIME I OPEN A, A NEW ONE OF THESE AND I GO AND MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY GROUPS OR ANYONE THAT HAS A CONCERN, AND I HELP TALK THEM THROUGH HOW IT HAPPENS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CALL US DIRECTLY, UH, NOT THE POLICE IF THEY'RE HAVING A, A PROBLEM. UM, AND WE'LL, WE OFTEN WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS. WELL, YOU KNOW, I, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, I I DON'T SUSPECT IT'LL BE A COMPLIANCE PROBLEM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU CAN GET COMMENTS FROM THE PRIEST BEFORE GOING TO COUNCIL, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. YES. GOOD ADVICE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WE MAY CALL YOU BACK HERE IN A BIT. UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, I'D ASK, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY CARDS? WE HAVE A NEUTRAL CARD. ANDREW ALASKA. OKAY. WHY, WHY DON'T WE START WITH FIRST, ANYBODY IN FAVOR, UH, OF THE REQUEST WOULD LIKE COME FORWARD? I DIDN'T TURN IN MY CARD YET. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. JUST COME ON UP. ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN TURN IT IN. JUST STATE YOUR NAME. OKAY. REED ROBINSON. I LIVE AT 600 NOTTINGHAM. I AM APPROXIMATELY ONE BLOCK FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. I KNOW OLD 75 HAD ITS HIT, HIT OR MISSES THERE, BUT AS NOISE GOES, I'M LITERALLY A BLOCK FROM THERE. WE WALK TO OLD 75 AND DOGHOUSE ALL THE TIME. I NEVER PERSONALLY HEARD ANY NOISE THERE, SO IT WASN'T AN ISSUE FOR ME. UM, AND GOING BACK TO THE INITIAL DAYS OF ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE BEING HERE, I REMEMBER PEOPLE WERE GOING, WHY DO WE NEED A A, A THEATER WITH BEER IN IT? AND THAT WAS THE QUESTION GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A SUCCESSFUL PIECE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE RICHARDSON CORE DISTRICT AND RICHARDSON HEIGHTS. SO SEEING THAT BOOKEND OVER THERE, I LOVE HAVING THIS PIECE OVER HERE. I'D LOVE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN. I'M ALSO A, A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE CORE DISTRICT IN RICHARDSON WITH MY WIFE JULIE OVER HERE. SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY NOISE FROM IT. UM, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS. I'VE BEEN TO THE TRUCK YARD. I KNOW THE OPERATION THEY'VE RUN. IT'S FANTASTIC AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. SO I'M IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE IN LIKE, TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? UH, MR. LASKA, YOU'RE NEUTRAL SO YOU CAN GET TO GO NEXT. UM, I'M NEUTRAL, BUT I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING THAT'S POSITIVE ABOUT THIS AND IT'S, MAYBE IT'S MORE ADVICE TO THE COMMISSION. YOU NOTICE THERE'S NOT A BUILDING FOOTPRINT PLAN HERE, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO ONE THING ABOUT THESE TYPES OF, THIS IS TECHNICALLY NOT A FORM-BASED DISTRICT, BUT IT KIND OF IS. IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACK LIKE A DUCK AND SO ON. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PARTICULAR SPOT IS THAT THERE'S BEEN SPECIFIC SITE PLANS AND EVERY TIME THERE'S A CHANGE, THAT MEANS THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME BACK AND COME BEFORE YOU, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A SITE PLAN CHANGE. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY THE SPIRIT OF THIS TYPE OF DISTRICT. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS MORE OF A HERE'S WHERE THE BUILDING CAN BE AREA FOOTPRINT, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO WHETHER YOU PASS THIS OR DON'T TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU PASS IT, PLEASE DON'T MESS WITH THAT PART OF IT, THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC FOOTPRINT. 'CAUSE IT GIVES THE DEVELOPER FLEXIBILITY AS YOU SHOULD IN THIS DISTRICT TO PUT THE BUILDING WHERE HE NEEDS TO PUT IT. RIGHT. THAT'S MY THANKS. THANK YOU. UH, ANYONE ELSE? UH, NEUTRAL OR OPPOSED? NOW ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, MARK EDINBURG. GOOD EVENING. EXCUSE ME. UH, MARK EDINBURG. I LIVE AT 7 0 4 JAMES. UH, WE'RE JUST [02:05:01] OUTSIDE OF THE 200 YARD PERIMETER. AND BEFORE ANYBODY STARTS MAKING SUPPOSITIONS, I AM THE SQUEAKY WHEEL ON JAMES DRIVE THAT HAD TO CALL SEVERAL TIMES TO GET SOMEONE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO EVEN RESPOND TO MY REQUEST THAT THEY CHECK THE NOISE LEVEL AT OLD 75. I AGREE. THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE EVERY TIME I HAVE THAT FULLY EXPLAINED TO ME. THAT IS GREAT. UM, WHAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WITH THESE PLANS ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF, AS MR. MOLESKIN MIGHT HAVE PUT IN THIS OPEN PLAN. THERE'S A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM IN THERE. AND IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF THE OLD 75, I, I SAW A MURAL THAT WAS AT BEST CONFUSING, AT WORST, EVEN MORE CONFUSING. I SAW TREES THAT WERE PLANTED. UH, JUST BY THE WAY, I, I WORKED AT A TREE CARE COMPANY, SO I WORKED THERE FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS. UH, THE TREES THAT WERE PLANTED IN THE COURTYARD AREA WERE, IT WAS NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT. THEY'RE ALL DEAD NOW. UM, SO THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING ADDITIONS, THESE OPEN AREA ADDITIONS. THAT'S GREAT. AND HONESTLY, I'M A BIG FAN OF THE ORIGINAL TRUCK YARD AND ALL THE ONES THAT I'VE BEEN TO HAVE BEEN GREAT. SO I WELCOME THE TRUCK YARD. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'LL BE BETTER ABOUT THE NOISE THAN OLD 75, BUT I WONDER ABOUT THE PARKING. UM, I SEE THE NUMBERS HERE, THE AMOUNT OF SPACES, ET CETERA. ALL I KNOW IS, UM, THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE OCCASION WHEN PEOPLE WERE PARKED DOWN JAMES DRIVE, PEOPLE WERE PARKED ON FLOYD. WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM ON JAMES. UM, THE WHOLE LENGTH OF JAMES, PRETTY MUCH FROM THE SERVICE ROAD TO WEATHERED OF PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREETS, BOTH SIDES. IT GETS VERY CROWDED. AND I DON'T, UH, RELISH SEEING THAT ON ONE OF THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS THAT THEY MENTIONED THEY MAY HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THE YEAR, IS THE CITY PREPARED TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE PERMITS TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE MANY OF THOSE HOUSES DON'T HAVE PARKING ON THE STREETS. UH, SORRY, DON'T HAVE PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAYS. SO I THINK PARKING NEEDS TO BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED. UM, ESPECIALLY IN A, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF MOSTLY FAMILIES. MANY WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, UH, AND ALSO ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS WHO, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT THIS HOUSE 60 YEARS AGO AND ARE HAPPY TO SPEND THE REST OF THEIR DAYS THERE. AND WHETHER IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODES OR NOT, THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE SCREAMING ON A FERRIS WHEEL OR MUSIC. THEY DON'T WANNA SEE THE LIGHTS REFLECTED OFF OF THE EQUIPMENT ON THEM. UH, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR LIVES DISTURBED BY SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS AFTER THEY CHOSE TO MAKE THEIR HOMES HERE. SO, UH, AS SOMEONE WHO MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TOO LONG AGO, UH, AND I I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF COMING TO A NUISANCE. THERE'D BEEN A FERRIS WHEEL THERE OR LIVE MUSIC VENUE THERE WHEN WE MOVED IN. I WOULD'VE CONSIDERED THAT. BUT, UH, TO NOW SAY LIVE MUSIC, OKAY, LET'S, I'LL TABLE LIVE MUSIC NOW. IT'S A FERRIS WHEEL. I JUST SORT OF WONDER WHAT IT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE NEXT. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST FIT FOR THIS PLACE. I FULLY WELCOME MR. HERMANSON BRINGING IN SOMETHING THAT IS A GREAT FIT. I DON'T THINK A FERRIS WHEEL AND MORE LIVE MUSIC IS THE BEST FIT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? UH, LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. UH, THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME BACK AND MAYBE RESPOND TO THAT. UM, HE HAS VALID POINTS. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN 338 PARKING SP SPACE SPOTS AREN'T THERE. FROM, FROM WHAT I COUNTED ON ON THERE, IT WAS CLOSE TO 400. UM, THAT IS A LOT OF PARKING SPACES. UM, COULD THERE BE OVERFLOW ON BIG DAYS? YES, THERE COULD BE. UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. UM, I THINK, BUT WE, WE HAVE THE CROSS PARKING AT THE CHURCH. AH, YOU WILL. OKAY. UM, SOME GOOD SIGNAGE, UM, THAT WE OFTEN HAVE TO DO. WE'VE BUILT REMOTE PARKING LOTS IN THE PAST, UM, SIGNAGE ABOUT DON'T PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SIGNAGE ABOUT YOU CAN USE THIS, UM, REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH. MAYBE WE FIND SOME OTHER REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE OPPOSING HOURS. UM, AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MANAGE THOSE, OUR CUSTOMERS. UM, YEAH, AND I MIGHT ADD THE STREET PARKING ON JAMES IS BY DESIGN THAT WAS DESIGNED IN, WHEN WE BUILT RICHARDSON RESTAURANT PARK. THOSE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND THEY OVERLAY DISTRICT SO THAT, THAT IS WHY PEOPLE PARK ALONG THERE. SO, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE CROSS PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS ON JAMES. WE JUST HAVEN'T NEEDED [02:10:01] THEM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S AN OPTION. THEY PARK ON OUR LOTS ALL THE TIME. IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY RARE TO HAVE 500 CARS OR MORE AT ANY ONE TIME. I DON'T EVEN THINK, UM, THE, HONESTLY, THE CAPACITY, THIS IS A, I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH THIS NOW. IT'S THE SMALLEST CAPACITY RESTAURANT WE'LL HAVE IN ANY OF OUR LOCATIONS. SO OUR, OUR LOCATION WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE UP TO 500 CARS IS AN EIGHT ACRE, UM, PROPERTY WITH, UH, FOUR OR FIVE BUILDINGS ON IT. UM, THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, THE CAPACITY MIGHT BE THREE OR 400 PEOPLE. SO I, I THINK THE FIRE CODE MIGHT KEEP THE PARKING, THE FIRE CODES MIGHT KEEP THE ACTUAL PARKING, UM, TO A MORE MINIMUM THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER LOCATIONS. SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT AGAIN. UH, 'CAUSE I HEARD YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO TO 30 FEET, UH, ON A ONE STORY BUILDING. UM, YEAH, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING COULD MOST LIKELY BE BETWEEN 30 AND 35 FEET FOR A ONE STORY. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ONE STORY? WE MIGHT HAVE A SECOND STORY OF LIKE A A, UM, UH, A PRIVATE ROOM. UM, BUT THERE WILL BE, IT WILL HAVE TO BE SPACE WHERE IT IS 30 FEET OR 35 FEET ALL THE WAY TO THE ROOF BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S THE HEIGHT OF SOME OF THE BREW TANKS ARE 25 FEET HIGH. YEAH. SO I, I THINK WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THAT DISTRICT, YOU CAN, ONE STORY IS ONLY LIMITED TO 24 FEET. THAT'S CORRECT. NOW TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'LL FIND IN THESE IS A MEZZANINE, AND WE INCLUDE THOSE AS A STORY. THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A MEZZANINE. RIGHT. OKAY. . ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES. THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. AND WE, WE HAVE THAT AT OUR, AT OUR OTHER LOCATION AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. ROBERTS. CAN WE, UH, PUT UP THE PICTURE OF THE FERRIS WHEEL AGAIN? UM, I THINK I WAS, THE QUESTION I HAD, ARE THESE, UH, OPEN CARRIAGES OR CLOSED? OPEN CARRIAGES. OKAY. AND, UH, I WANT TO, I GUESS, UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, I DON'T, THE SENSE OF THIS, I GUESS IS THAT THIS IS NOT LIKE A CARNIVAL FERRIS WHEEL WHERE, UH, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS ADDRESS, UH, NOISE FROM THE FERRIS WHEEL, YOU KNOW, ARE IN, IN YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS. DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW ARE VERY HAPPY AND SCREAMING WHEN THEY GET TO THE TOP? OR IS IT MORE SUB SUBDUED OR JUST WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE OF THAT? THE, THE MACHINE ITSELF IS NOT VERY NOISY AT ALL. IF, IF THERE'S ANY NOISE, IT WOULD BE FROM PEOPLE SCREAMING, BUT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A RIDE. IT'S, EXCUSE ME. SO PEOPLE AREN'T SCREAMING ON IT. IT'S NOT FAST, IT'S NOT, UH, UM, IT'S NOT A ROLLERCOASTER BY ANY MEANS. SO, UM, PEOPLE ARE JUST EN ENJOYING THEMSELVES AND THE VIEWS THEY GET FROM THE TOP OF IT. UH, OKAY. THAT WAS KIND OF THE SENSE OF IT THAT I HAD. I WAS, UH, KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE FERRIS WHEEL AT GRAND SKATE, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. GRANDE'S ALMOST 200 FEET TALL. YEAH. YEAH. WITH IT'S ALSO HIGHWAY OR EIGHT PEOPLE. YEAH. UM, MR. SOUTHERN DOES THIS FERRIS WHEEL DOESN'T HAVE ANY MUSIC ACCOMPANYING THE FERRIS WHEEL? NO. OKAY. THANKS. ANY, ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GIVE OUR, OUR GENERAL MANAGERS CELL PHONE. THEY CAN CALL THE GENERAL MANAGER AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT. WE DON'T WANT A LOUD PLACE FOR OUR OWN CUSTOMERS. WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HEAR AND TALK AT THE TABLE AND HAVE CONVERSATION AND, AND TELL SOME OLD STORIES. SO, UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T FIND, UH, ANY ISSUE WITH, WITH NOISE IN OUR OTHER LOCATIONS AND, UM, AND, AND WELCOME, UM, COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, NOTHING OUTSIDE. MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. COMMISSIONER B SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WELL, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IN MY VIEW, UH, TRUCK YARD IS A GREAT ADDITION TO RICHARDSON AND, UH, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD, AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT SECOND RODEO BREWERY OR MICRO BREWERY, [02:15:01] BUT, UM, COMING FROM THE STOCKYARDS, BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER GREAT JUST ADDITION TO, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING, AND THE RESTAURANT, RICHON RESTAURANT PARK HAS JUST BEEN IN NEED OF SOME REVITALIZATION FOR A WHILE. UH, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, HATED TO SEE THE BEER GARDEN GO UNDER. AND, UH, SO I THINK THIS IS A, A GREAT NEWS IN TERMS OF A REPLACEMENT. AND CERTAINLY, I THINK MOST PEOPLE AGREE IT'S BETTER THAN DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN AND THE, AND THE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT THAT WAS APPROVED THERE. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS A, A PAST AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO ENERGIZE THE, THE, THE, THE RESTAURANT PARK. SO, UH, TO ME THE ONLY THING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE FERRIS WHEEL. BUT I DO KNOW, I HAVE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, TRUCK YARDS THAT, LIKE THE ONE IN HOUSTON, UH, THAT I SAW, AND IT WAS VERY WELL TASTEFULLY DONE, KIND OF A SIGNATURE PIECE, REALLY MADE IT EXCITING. I THINK IT'LL BE A DRAW, CERTAINLY EYE CATCHER FOR, UH, TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY OF, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE? AND I'M GONNA GO CHECK THAT OUT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK THESE FERRIS WHEELS ARE STARTING TO POP UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, LIKE YOU SAID IN GRAND SCAPE A FEW OTHER PLACES. SO, I MEAN, THEY'RE MAYBE NOT AS UNIQUE AS THEY WERE, BUT THEY ALWAYS AT ATTENTION GRABBER. UM, SO, UH, I I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. COMMISSIONER SOUTHERN. YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK, UH, MORE THAN JUST A REPLACEMENT FOR THE BEER GARDEN, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT AND, UH, PROBABLY AN ASSET FOR THE ENTIRE RESTAURANT PARK. UH, IF, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, BE SPECIFIED AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. I SECOND YOU GOT A MOTION TO SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR US? NO, SIR. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE STAND ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.