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WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE UH, JULY 2ND, 2024 MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARDSON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES ON THE COMMISSION.
ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS.
IN THE CASE OF THE ABSENCE OF A REGULAR MEMBER, A DESIGNATED ALTERNATE WILL VOTE ON THE ISSUE.
UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE, SO EVERYBODY WILL BE VOTING.
UM, THIS MEETING IS A BUSINESS MEETING AND WILL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH IN THAT REGARD.
AS A COURTESY TO EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE, PLEASE UH, TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES.
OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.
UH, TONIGHT WE DO HAVE A FEW PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO ADDRESS, UM, THE COMMISSION, UH, MAKING THEIR PRESENTATION.
THEY MAY RESERVE ANY PORTION OF THIS TIME FOR, UH, FINAL REBUTTAL.
TIME SPENT ANSWERING QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE COMMISSION IS NOT COUNTED AGAINST THE APPLICANT.
UH, THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST WILL ALSO BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES EACH TO ADDRESS THE, THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S IT.
AFTER A BRIEF REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT, THE HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.
NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED.
[1. Approval of minutes of the regular business meeting of June 18, 2024.]
THAT, UH, WE GET ON WITH OUR AGENDA.UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF JUNE 18TH, 2024.
COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO, I MAKE A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THE MEETING, THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
MOTION TO ACCEPT I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER BROUGHT ROBERTS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[2. ZF 24-11 PD Planned Development Amendment - CityLine East: Consider and act on a request to amend the development regulations of the 62.5-acre CityLine-East Planned Development PD to increase the number of residential units, and to modify the Regulating Plan to increase the acreage of Mandatory and Mandatory/NonMandatory Open Space. Owner: Walter Mountford, KDC. Staff: Sam Chavez]
NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.UH, THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 11.
UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT FOR CITY LINE EAST AND, UH, MR. CHAVEZ.
THIS IS ZONING FILE, UH, 24 DASH 11.
A LITTLE, UM, A LITTLE RECAP AS TO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH OCCURRED ON JUNE 18TH.
UH, THE, THE COMMISSION DID MEET TO CONSIDER THE SUBJECT ZONING FILE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE, UH, COMMISSION'S, UH, DELIBERATION.
A MOTION WAS MADE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
HOWEVER, THE MOTION FAILED TO PASS ON A VOTE OF THREE IN FAVOR TO FOUR OPPOSED.
AND SUBSEQUENTLY, THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE OR ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL TO BE AFFIRMATIVELY APPROVED WITHOUT APPROVING A MOTION.
THE COMMISSION DID NOT FORMALLY ACT, UH, ON THE REQUEST OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, AS A RESULT, UH, THIS SUBJECT CASE, SONY FILE 24 DASH 11 WAS RESCHEDULED, UH, FOR THIS MEETING, UH, FOR THIS MEETING, UH, THIS EVENING.
AND RE-NOTICE SO THAT ALL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, COULD BE MET STAFF, AND THE APPLICANT WILL REPRESENT THE CASE AND ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS RAISED AT THE JUNE 18TH MEETING.
THE ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU IS TO GIVE YOU A GOOD DEPICTION OF, OF THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE CITY LINE.
IT ESSENTIALLY STARTS OVER AT THE US 75 GOES E EASTWARDS ALL THE WAY OVER TO WYNDHAM AND THIS BISECTED BY PLANO ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT'S OCCURRED ON THESE FOUR, FOUR TRACKS OF LAND, UH, CITY LINE, WEST CITY, LINE CITY, LINE EAST, AND CITY LINE EAST.
UH, BOTH CITY LINES WERE AT 1.1 LARGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT WERE, UH, AMENDED, UH, BACK IN 2014.
SO THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND THE SUBJECT OF THIS REQUEST IS LOCATED BETWEEN CITY LINE DRIVE AND PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY EAST OF PLANO ROAD.
THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT UNDER ORDINANCE 40 49 AND IS APPROXIMATELY 62.5 ACRES IN SIZE.
THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS, UH, TO AMEND THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO INCLUDE, TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND TO AMEND THE REGULAT REGULATING PLAN TO INCREASE THE ACREAGE OF THE 100% MANDATORY CIVIC OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
AND THE 60% 40% MAN, UH, NON-MANDATORY AND MANDATORY OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT BEFORE YOU IS THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
CURRENTLY, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS ENTITLED TO, UH, A MAXIMUM OF 1,925 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO INCREASE IT FOR
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A TOTAL OF 3,100 UNITS, WHICH REALLY IS AN INCREASE OF 1,175 ADDITIONAL UNITS, UH, FOR THE SITE.TO ADD TO THAT, THEY'RE ALSO, UH, INCREASING THE MINIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENT FROM 30 UNITS TO THE ACRE TO 60 UNITS, UH, TO THE ACRE.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS ON SITE, AND ALL THREE EXCEED THE PROPOSED MINIMUM OF 60 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
BELOW IT IS, IS MORE OF A, UH, TOTAL OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE ENTITLED PROPOSED, AND THE NUMBER THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING INCREASED.
SO IN TOTAL, UH, THEY'RE ENTITLED, MEANING CITY LINE WEST, AND THAT'S WEST OF PLANA ROAD AND CITY LINE EAST.
UH, THEY'RE ENTITLED FOR A TOTAL OF 3,925 UNITS.
THEY'RE PROPOSING, AGAIN, THE TOTAL BEING 5,100 UNITS, UH, WHICH, UH, EQUATES AN INCREASE OF 1,175 UNITS.
UH, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A TOTAL OF 2,174 UNITS, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 43% OF THE PROPOSED 5,100, UH, FOR THE TOTAL, UH, FOR BOTH SITES.
THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF THE AMENDMENT, AND THAT RELATES TO THE, UH, REGULATING PLAN.
SO THE REGULATING PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY THE ZONING MAP FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROPERTY, IT'S SPLIT INTO TWO CHARACTER ZONES, THE TOD CORE, WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 350 FEET, AND THEN THE TOD MIXED USE, WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 225 FEET.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE AREA THAT, UH, ON THE, UH, IN THE LEGEND THAT RELATES TO WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING.
I'VE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED TWO AREAS ON THE REGULATING PLAN, AND THAT DESCRIBES WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT ABOUT THE DISCONNECT IN THIS PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR BETWEEN POINT A POINT B AND THEN ULTIMATELY POINT C AND POINT D.
THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO, TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN URBAN CORRIDOR RIGHT THROUGH THE SPINE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'LL CONNECT TO THIS LARGE OPEN SPACE, AND THAT WILL EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO THE PARK, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THIS.
SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE REGULATING PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ADDITIONAL, UH, 60% MANDATORY 40% NON-MANDATORY, UH, AREA HAS BEEN FILLED IN TO COMPLETE THAT GAP WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING AN INCREASE IN THE 100% MANDATORY CIVIC OPEN SPACE.
SO UNDER THE 100% MANDATORY OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, UH, THEY'RE GOING FROM 6.44 ACRES, UH, TO 6.6 ACRES TO, TO EQUATE TO ABOUT 6,900 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE AREA OR 0.16 ACRES OF LAND UNDER THE 60%, 40% NON-MANDATORY.
UH, THEY'RE GOING FROM 3.44 ACRES TO 4.64 ACRES.
UH, AND THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 1.2 ACRES, UH, IN SIZE OR 50,000, ALMOST 50, YEAH, 50,272 SQUARE FEET IN ADDITIONAL OPEN, UH, OPEN SPACE AREA.
NOW, THE WAY THESE AREAS ARE BROKEN UP IS THAT THERE'S MANDATORY, MANDATORY MEANING 100% OF THAT AREA DESIGNATED ON THE REGULATING PLAN, UH, REQUIRES THE, THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT OPEN SPACE ACREAGE UNDER THE MANDATORY NON-MANDATORY CIVIC OPEN SPACE AREAS, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE 60% OF THE ACREAGE INDICATED ON THE REGULATING PLAN, UH, FOR CIVIC AND OPEN SPACE WITH THE BALANCE, UM, AT THE DEVELOP, AT THE, UH, DEVELOPER'S SUBSCRIPTION.
SO, AS AN EXAMPLE, UNDER THE PROPOSAL FOR CIVIC OPEN SPACE, UNDER THE 60%, 40% CRITERIA, THEY'RE PROPOSING 4.6 ACRES OF LAND.
THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 2.78 ACRES OF LAND, THE BALANCE OF IT BEING 1.86 ACRES OF LAND, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, PROVIDED AT THE DEVELOPER'S DISCRETION.
SO, ITEMS TO CONSIDER WITH THIS REQUEST, THIS REQUEST IS FOR 1,175 ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND RESULTS IN ADDITIONAL AND MORE CON CONTINUOUS OPEN SPACE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ADDITIONAL, UH, OPEN SPACE AND CIVIC AREA ALONG THE SPINE OF THE, UH, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, NO TRAFFIC IMPACT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH ADDITIONAL UNITS, WHICH OFFSETS AM AND PM PEAK TRAVEL ASSOCIATED WITH NON-RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND, AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAVE A DIFFERENT FLOW.
UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL IS GOING INTO THE SITE IN THE AM
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RESIDENTIAL IS GOING OUT OF THE SITE.SO IT HAS A, A, UH, COMPLETE OPPOSITE, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERN.
UH, OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES SUCH AS OFFICE RETAIL, SALES AND SERVICE ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT, RECREATION, EDUCATIONAL AND HEALTHCARE ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT TODAY AND WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT GOING FORWARD.
UH, ADDITIONAL UNITS SPRING CITY LINE, UH, WHICH WILL BE A TOTAL OF 5,100 UNITS IN PARITY WITH NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT THE LEGACY DEVELOPMENT IN PLANO, WHICH HAS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 5,200, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND MORE CLOSELY RELATED NORTHSIDE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHICH HAS A TOTAL OF 5,200 AND, UH, 21 UNITS, UH, ENTITLED FOR THAT PROPERTY.
SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS ADVANCE THE TRANSIT ORIENTED NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND IN INCREASES ITS MIXED USE CHARACTER NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
UH, TO CAPITALIZE ON THE PROXIMITY OF THE DART CITY LINE STATION ON THE RED ORANGE LINE AND THE FUTURE OPENING OF, OF THE SILVER LINE, IT ALSO PROMOTES THE SUCCESSFUL EXPANSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT EASTWARD ACROSS PLANO ROAD WHILE MAINTAINING A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMPACT MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT WITH CONVENIENT ACCESS TO RAIL TRANSIT, SHOPPING, EMPLOYMENT, HOUSING, AND REGIONAL RETAIL SERVICES.
AND FINALLY, A RETAIL OFFICE AND ENTERTAINMENT MARKETS CONTINUE TO ADJUST TO POST PANDEMIC MARKET FORCES.
ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS INTENSIFY THE LIVE WORK PLAY NATURE OF CITY LINE, HELPING TO SUPPORT EXISTING OFFICE AND RETAIL USES WHILE ELEVATING THE SITE TO CORPORATE AND RETAIL RELOCATION DECISION MAKERS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY NOT SUPPORTED BY THE MARKET AT THIS TIME.
SO THE CITY PLANS COMMISSION ACTION THIS EVENING, UH, CITY PLAN COMMISSION MAY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR AMEND OR WITH AMENDED CONDITION, OR DENY THE REQUEST.
SHOULD THE, UH, COMMISSION EXCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS SHALL BE 3,100, WHICH SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED AT A MINIMUM DENSITY OF 60 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE REGULATING THE REGULATING PLAN, UH, SHALL INDICATE 6.6 ACRES OF 100% MANDATORY CIVIC OPEN SPACE AREA, AND 4.64 ACRES OF 60% MANDATORY, 40% NON-MANDATORY CIVIC OPEN SPACE AREA.
AND THAT EXHIBIT, OF COURSE, IS IN YOUR PACKET.
STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ON, ON THIS CASE.
UH, TO THIS POINT, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, I HADN'T REALLY FOCUSED ON THIS PART OF IT, AND WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT IN A BRIEFING SESSION THAT REALLY EITHER, BUT THIS MANDATORY AND NON-MANDATORY, UM, OPEN SPACE AREA.
UM, SO IT OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE ADDED TO, TO EACH OF THESE, BUT THE, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT MANDATORY IS, IS THAT THAT'S ALL IN, IS THAT FOXBOROUGH CREEK PARK, OR, I PROBABLY GOT THE WRONG NAME THERE, BUT FOX CREEK PARK.
YEAH, THE PARK ITSELF IS, IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY LINE.
IT'S BASICALLY IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
BUT THE MANDATORY, THE 100% MANDATORY IS ALL THE STARKER GREEN, WHICH IS A UTIL EASEMENT, A GREEN BELT ALONG HERE, AND THAT'S ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, OF PLANO ROAD IN THE FORM OF A LARGE WIDE O UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH A MEANDERING SIDEWALK THROUGH IT.
SO I WAS JUST HAVING A LITTLE DIFFICULTY FIGURING OUT WHERE THAT EXPANSION OF THE A HUNDRED PERCENT MANDATORY AR AREA IS.
IT, IT'S VERY MINIMAL, BUT THE TEXT ITSELF IS SUFFICIENT, UH, FOR US TO APPLY.
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S AT THAT I DON'T, I COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE, UM, UH, 60% MANDATORY, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS SHOWN THERE IS IS THAT REPRESENT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT AREA, MORE THAN LIKELY THAT REPRESENTS 100% OF THAT AREA.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THEY ONLY HAVE TO BUILD 60% OF IT, RIGHT, THEY COULD, THEY COULD ELIMINATE THE EASTERN LEG OR THEY COULD NARROW THAT MIDDLE LEG, CORRECT? YEAH, THEY COULDN'T NARROW THAT LEG.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENTATIVE OF A CONTINUOUS, NOTHING
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THAT CALLS FOR THAT TO BE A CONTINUOUS LINK.I, I THINK THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S INTENT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA END UP LIKE THAT.
OUR GOAL IS, UNLESS THEY'RE, UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO FORCE UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO.
MOST OF THEM TO FORCE THEM TO, TO DO THAT.
OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN URBAN CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE.
UH, THESE PROPERTIES HERE HAVE DEVELOPED OUT WITH A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE, ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM.
SO I THINK THE, THE FORM-BASED CODE ITSELF, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE FORM-BASED CODE LEND ITSELF TO DEVELOP THOSE SORT OF PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS.
YOU WON'T HAVE A TRAIL NATURAL TRAIL.
IT'LL BE VERY URBAN IN NATURE, HARDSCAPED TREE LINED.
UH, SO IT'S THAT PUBLIC REALM THAT WE, THAT WE, UH, ULTI ULTIMATELY SPEAK ABOUT WITH THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT, THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER, IT ONLY ADDS VALUE TO THEIR PROPERTY.
AND, UM, IN THE EVENT THIS IS DENIED, UM, BY THE COMMISSION, UH, WHAT IMPACT W WOULD THAT HAVE AT CITY COUNCIL? A RECOMME A RECOMMENDATION DENIAL BY THE COMMISSION THAT'S FORWARDED TO COUNCIL WOULD REQUIRE WHAT WE CALL A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OUTTA COUNCIL TO OVERTURN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO DENIAL.
IN OTHER WORDS, AT A MINIMUM, A SIX IN ONE IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THE CASE WOULD, WOULD BE REQUIRED SIX OUTTA SEVEN.
ANYBODY ELSE? Y'ALL ALL BEEN THROUGH THIS ONE TIME BEFORE, SO
UH, WELL THEN, UH, IF NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF, THEN I'D ASK THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD AND WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I LIVE AT 5 1 3 2 HORSESHOE TRAIL IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'VE BEEN WITH KDC FOR 30 YEARS, AND, UH, I WAS ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT EXECUTIVE FOR KDC ON CITYLINE.
UH, I'VE BEEN, AND THAT STARTED OUT IN DECEMBER OF, OF 2012, UH, KDC AND, AND THE CITY OF RICHARDSON HAS A LONG HISTORY.
UH, YOU DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'LL SEE OUR PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, BLUE CROSS, BLUE SHIELD, STATE FARM, RAYTHEON FOSSIL, AND, AND, AND THERE'S BEEN A GREAT LEVEL OF, OF COOPERATION BETWEEN THE, THE CITY AND KDC.
I CAN RECALL BACK WHEN I WAS THE DEVELOPMENT EXECUTIVE ON THE NORTEL NETWORKS PROJECT IN GALLATIN PARK WHERE WE, WE, WE CASCADED THOSE, THOSE, UH, UH, THOSE TERRACES IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND, AND, AND BECAUSE WE WERE ANTICIPATING THE WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL AND THE MAIN, AND THE MAIN STAGE BEING AT THE END OF THAT TERRORIST, UH, GREEN SPACE, AND IT ALL WORKED OUT REALLY, REALLY WELL.
AND I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP.
AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE WE'RE PROUD OF THE TRUST THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED BETWEEN THE CITY AND US AND I, AND I THINK THAT THAT REALLY IS SHOWCASED IN, IN, IN CITYLINE.
SO I WANTED TO START WITH, UH, CITYLINE, WHICH AGAIN, THE START IS DECEMBER 20TH, 2012.
ESSENTIALLY, STATE FARM CAME TO US AND THEY WANTED TO LOCATE HERE.
THEY REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF THE, OF THE TRANSIT STATION, WHICH WAS UP AND OPERATIONAL.
THE ONLY THING THAT ACTUALLY HAD BEEN IMPROVED IN CITYLINE WAS THE TRANSIT STATION.
THE REST OF IT WAS A, WAS A, WAS AT GREENFIELD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY, THEY DID DO WAS THEY REQUIRED THAT THERE NOT BE ANY INTERNAL FOOD SERVICE OR CAFETERIA.
SO WE HAD TO CONSTRUCT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL TO, TO SERVE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR TENANTS, THEIR, THEIR WORKERS.
AND ULTIMATELY THEY WANTED A WALKABLE URBAN DENSITY IN THE SUBURBS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE, WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT WITH THE CITY LINE, TOD WEST AND, AND, AND THE EAST PD FORM BASED ZONING CODE, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE ZONING CODE ALLOWS ALL THE USES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE QUESTIONED WHY WE DON'T HAVE, WHICH IS OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, ENTERTAINMENT, OPEN AND OPEN SPACE.
AND, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY MOVE, MOVE THROUGH WHAT CITYLINE HAS BECOME TODAY.
IT'S GOT 2.1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE LEASED TO STATE FARM, A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE LEASED TO RAYTHEON, OVER 3,350 MULTIFAMILY HOUSING UNITS, HOUSING OVER 4,500 RESIDENTS.
IT HAS 32 FREESTANDING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND 58 TOWN HOMES, OVER 50 RETAIL RESTAURANT AND SERVICE COMPANIES.
NEARLY 700 HOTEL ROOMS, A HUNDRED CURATED EVENTS EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT THEN THAT INVOLVES THE 21 ACRES OF PARKS THAT WE'VE DEDICATED AND, AND PLAZAS, CITYLINE PARK, THE FOX CREEK PARK, AND
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CITYLINE PLAZA.AND THAT ALL CONNECTS TO THE SPRING CREEK NATURE TRAIL, WHICH IS A GREAT ADVANTAGE FOR THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, ALL OF THIS KIND OF CENTERED AROUND THE CITYLINE BUSH, UH, STATION, AND THEN THE PANDEMIC HIT.
AND, UH, THE HOTELS WERE IMPACTED GREATLY.
OFFICE WAS IMPACTED GREATLY BY THE WORK FROM HOME MOVEMENT.
UH, THERE WAS NO OFFICE TO SUPPORT THE RETAIL.
THERE STILL REALLY ISN'T, UH, PEOPLE DISCOVERED, UH, FOOD DELIVERY, WHICH IS A, WHICH WAS A LITTLE BOOM FOR THE RESTAURANTS.
AND ULTIMATELY, MULTI-FAMILY WAS SUPPORTED IN THIS WORK FROM HOME ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT OCCURRED, KIND OF POST PANDEMIC AND GOING FORWARD, PARTICULARLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE OFFICE BUILDING, THE OFFICE MARKET, WHICH IS REALLY THE, KIND OF THE CRUX OF THIS REQUEST.
THE MAR THE OFFICE MARKET'S UNCERTAIN AND VERY CHALLENGING WORK FROM HOME LIFESTYLE.
AND THE LIVE WORK BALANCE IS, IT WAS, WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR.
AND TENANTS ARE NOT REALLY SURE OF THE SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY NEED.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A, A NUMBER OF, OF BANKING CLIENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR WORKERS BACK INTO THE OFFICE, AND IT'S BECOME A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR THEM.
UH, AND WHEN AND WHEN YOUR COMPETITORS ARE NOT REQUIRING THAT, THAT, THAT'S A, IT'S A HUMAN RESOURCE ISSUE ANYWAY, NEW OFFICE RENTAL RATES ARE TWO TIMES WHAT SUBLEASE RATES ARE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUBLEASE SPACE ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, YEARS AND YEARS WORTH OF SUPPLY.
AND SO THE NEW, A NEW OFFENSE IS CURRENTLY NOT FINANCEABLE.
WE'RE DOING THE TWO LARGEST OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THE METROPLEX.
ONE IS AN 880 800,000 SQUARE FOOT TWO BUILDING PROJECT FOR WELLS FARGO IN LAS COLINAS, AND THAT'S BEING FUNDED BY WELLS FARGO.
THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY WRITING CHECKS.
AND THEN WE'RE DOING A A HALF MILLION SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING BY CLYDE WARREN PARK.
AND THAT HAS A VERY NON-TRADITIONAL STRUCTURE ON, ON HOW THAT FINANCING TOOK PLACE.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AROUND AND YOU'RE GONNA NOT GONNA SEE VERY MANY OFFICE CRANES IN THE AIR OVER, OVER THE, OVER THE COMING YEARS.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, AGAIN, THE CRUX OF OUR PROBLEM IS THAT OFFICE PLAYED A MAJOR COMPONENT IN FINISHING CITY LINE, RIGHT? AND, AND IF YOU, IF, AND IF YOU CAN'T COUNT ON THE OFFICE BEING THERE, AND WE, AND WE CAN'T, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DEPICT THE STORY THAT THAT COMPLETES, THAT BASICALLY COMPLETES CITY LINE.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT OFFICE IS LIKELY TO RETURN TO CITY LINE SOONER THAN THE REST OF THE MARKETPLACE, MAINLY BECAUSE THERE'S A FLIGHT TO QUALITY.
AND, AND ADDITIONALLY, EVERYONE LOVES THE WALKABILITY.
AND, AND WE ARE, WE ALREADY HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT, THAT, THAT THE CORPORATE CITIZEN REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATES.
AND JUST TO BE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, AGAIN, WE HAVE 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE APPROVED ON THE EAST SIDE, AND WE'VE DEVELOPED ABOUT, UH, ABOUT A HALF A MILLION SQUARE FEET.
ANYWAY, LET'S, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE CITY LINE RETAIL, WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG REASON FOR THIS REQUEST.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE NOT WAITING ON WHOLE FOODS OR CVS OR ANY OTHER USERS, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF RESTAURANTS, BUNCH OF SERVICE USERS.
SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SELL THE VISION OF TRYING TO THINK THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PUT WHOLE FOODS HERE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.
THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE IN CITY LINE MARKETPLACE, WHICH HAS 102,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT LEASED.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT LEASED.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A PHENOMENALLY POPULAR AND, AND, AND PRO AND GOOD PROJECT FOR THE, FOR CITYLINE, IT'S THE STATE STREET RETAIL THAT HAS, HAS BEEN STRUGGLING.
WE'VE GOT 132,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT 132,000 SQUARE FEET.
OKAY? 39,000 SQUARE FEET HAS NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED.
OKAY? NEW TENANTS ARE LOOKING FOR SALES PER SQUARE FOOT DATA FOR NEW LOCATIONS.
AND IF RETAIL GOES DARK, IT CAN REALLY CASCADE IN, IN A, IN A VERY POOR WAY.
AND SO WE BELIEVE MORE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WILL ENTICE RETAILERS TO OPEN AND IMPORTANTLY, TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT CITYLINE.
'CAUSE WE, WE, WE LITERALLY CANNOT HAVE THE RETAIL NOT BE RESPONSIVE TO THE MARKETPLACE AND, AND NOT TRY AND, AND COALESCE A A, A GREAT CONTINGENT OF TENANTS ALONG STATE STREET.
I'LL ALSO JUST ADD THAT SINCE AS TIME PASSES, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE, COMPETITORS CHANGE.
WE'VE GOT THE COLIN CREEK REDEVELOPMENT IN, IN PLANO, WHICH IS 1.3 MILES AWAY FROM CITYLINE.
AND THAT HAS 3,100 RESIDENTS APPROVES 308,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND 40,000 SQUARE FOOT OF, OF RESTAURANTS.
WE ALSO HAVE PLANO, DOWNTOWN PLANO, WHICH IS 1.8 MILES AWAY, AND THEY HAVE A MIXED DART KIND OF TOD ZONING THERE.
THOSE ARE COMPETITORS TO OUR RETAIL SPACE.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RETAILERS TO GO AT THE GROUND FLOOR OF, OF MULTIFAMILY IN OTHER LOCATIONS AND, AND NOT PAY SALES TAXES TO US AND NOT, AND NOT GARNER THOSE SALES.
WHAT I WANTED TO DO, KIND OF TO SUMMARIZE ALL THIS, IS TO LEAVE YOU WITH SOME TAKEAWAYS, HOPEFULLY THAT, THAT WE CAN BUILD UPON THROUGH
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QUESTIONS.AND I, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU'VE GOT.
THE ZONING ALLOWS MANY UNITS, MANY USES.
WE'RE NOT PRECLUDED FROM DOING ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
RIGHT? HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL, NONE OF IT IS PRECLUDED.
THERE'S NO MISSED OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
WE, WE HAVE BROKERS THAT BRING US TRANSACTIONS AND, AND WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT, AT LOOK THEATERS, OPOLIS AND A MC THEATERS FOR, FOR THEATERS AT THIS SITE.
AND, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT, THAT, UH, THE, UH, ALAMO DRAFTHOUSE HAS RECENTLY, RECENTLY GONE BANKRUPT AND COME BACK OUT IF, IF THERE WERE A MARKET FOR, FOR A THEATER, WE'D HAVE A THEATER.
WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO, UH, RES RESERVATIONS ABOUT A THEATER AND, AND WHAT IT MIGHT DO TO HELP US.
WE'RE ALSO PROUD OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH JORDAN LOVITZ AND THREE EDGEWOOD, THREE EDGE EDGEWOOD OWNS ALL OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND MOST ALL OF THE STATE STREET RETAIL, THEY OWN 115,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE 132,000 SQUARE FEET, OR ABOUT 87%.
AND WE HAVE A REALLY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM TRYING TO GET THEM, UH, TO, TO, TO INCREASE THEIR OCCUPANCY AND OBVIOUSLY LEASE SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN LEASED.
I THINK JORDAN SUBMITTED A LETTER TO YOU GUYS KIND OF OUTLINING HOW, HOW, HOW HE THINKS THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR HIM FOR THE VITALITY OF, OF HIS RETAIL SPACE.
COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FINANCING MARKET IS EXTREMELY CHALLENGING RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
SO CITYLINE HAS PLENTY OF AVAILABLE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SPACE.
AGAIN, WE GOT 39,000 SQUARE FEET OF STATE STREET RETAIL THAT'S NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED.
SO WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO TO, TO HANDLE ADDITIONAL TENANTS.
UH, CITYLINE IS NOT GIVING UP ON THE OFFICE.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ZONE SPACE FOR OFFICE.
KDC FAVORS, CORPORATE BUILD SUITS.
THAT'S KIND OF THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF OUR BUSINESS.
UH, AND, AND AGAIN, OFFICE WILL LIKELY RETURN TO CITYLINE SOONER BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
WE CAN POINT TO THE WHOLE FOODS AND WE CAN POINT TO ALL THE OTHER AMENITIES.
WE, THE WALKABILITY, THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO, TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY THERE LITERALLY, AND, AND WRITE ADJACENT TO A TOD THAT COULD TAKE YOU TO, TO THE AIRPORT AND TO ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLACES.
ONE OF THE OTHER TAKE TAKEOUT TAKEAWAYS IS WE NEED TO HAVE A VIABLE BUILD OUT PLAN TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN TENANTS AND INVESTMENTS.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TOO MUCH OFFICE AND TOO LITTLE RESIDENTIAL IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THAT PLAN.
THE CURRENTLY ZONED BUILD OUT PLAN LEAVES 13 ACRES UNDEVELOPED, AND THAT INCLUDES AN ADDITIONAL 400,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE THAT WE WOULD, WOULD BUILD THERE.
IF YOU TOOK 400,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, WHICH WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT'S GONNA COME FROM, IT'S GONNA LAND SOMEWHERE IN, IN, IN CITY LINE, IN THAT, IN THAT BLUE AREA THAT, THAT, THAT WE POINTED OUT.
AND IF WE, WE DEVELOPED THE REST OF IT WITH, WITH THE OFFICE, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE ENTITLED WITH, WE WOULD BE SHY 13 ACRES WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS.
SO AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY AND DO IS, IS, IS WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE VIABLE SOLUTIONS FOR COMPLETING THAT.
RIGHT? I, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ULTIMATE THING FOR, FOR KDC.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER IS HOW DOES CITY LINE GET COMPLETED? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE CITY COUNCIL THAT IT APPROVE CITY LINE ZONING REQUEST.
AND I'M HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT CITY LINE AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO.
UM, I GUESS I'LL GO FIRST SINCE I, I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING, SO I PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST QUESTIONS.
I GUESS THAT'S A BENEFIT, MAYBE
UH, SO YOUR LAST COMMENT RIGHT THERE, UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD ANOTHER 400,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE ONE BUILDING.
IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OF EQUAL DENSITY AS, AS THE STATE FARM BUILDINGS.
SO YOU'D HAVE, YOU'D HAVE PODIUM, PARKING AND ALL ON ONE, ONE PIECE, AND IT WOULD BACK UP TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE.
SO, UM, SO YOU SAID YOU STILL HAVE LIKE 13 ACRES VACANT, CORRECT.
UM, UNDER THE CURRENT APPROVED.
UM, AND, AND LET'S BE, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, THAT'S TAKING ALL OF OUR VACANT LAND, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THEN TAKING THE UNITS THAT WE HAVE AND, AND WE'RE ALLOCATING 90 UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT? THAT'S ABOVE THE 60 UNITS PER ACRE.
WE'RE ALLOCATING 90 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ACHIEVING NOW IN THE, IN THE FIVE STORY WRAP PRODUCT.
AND, AND WE'RE EXTRAPOLATING THAT ACROSS THE VACANT LAND THAT WE'VE GOT.
AND, AND WE RUN OUT OF UNITS WITH 13, WE RUN OUTTA UNITS, INCLUDING THE OFFICE BUILDING, AND WE'RE LEFT WITH 13 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
YOU, WELL, YOU, YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING
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TO FIGURE OUT THE REQUEST FOR THE ADDITIONAL UNITS.UH, I I WAS ASSUMING 60 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY, UH, ASSUMING IT'LL BE HIGHER AT 90, CORRECT? YEAH, WE, WE CAN, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE OF THE GAS LINE CAME UP WAS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COVERAGE RATIOS, UH, OF, OF UNITS PER ACRE.
THOSE, THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MUCH LAND FELL IN THE SEVENTIES, RIGHT? STILL ABOVE 60.
BUT, BUT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE 90, WHICH AGAIN, IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT FOR US TO, TO MAINTAIN THE, THE URBAN FUEL OF CITY LINE.
YOU, YOU NEED TO WALK DOWN THE STREET, THESE MUSE STREETS, THE BIG STREETS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE CAR PARALLEL CARS PARKED SO THEY CAN PROTECT YOU FROM CARS GOING BY.
YOU, YOU, IT'S A, I THINK WE'VE CREATED A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH FIVE STORY WRAP PRODUCT, AND IN PARTICULARLY AT THIS LOCATION WITH THE, WITH THE VARIETY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK IN ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE IN THE CITYLINE PLAZA AND THE HOTEL.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE SUFFERED A HUGE BLOW IN THAT ALL THOSE STATE FORMER EMPLOYEES ARE GONE.
AND THAT'S 2.1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF SPACE THAT'S NOW BACK ON THE MARKET.
AND THAT, AGAIN, HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY TAKES IT AND, AND WE CAN BE, BE IN A POSITION TO BUILD ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF FUTURE FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS TODAY.
UM, MY NEXT QUESTION WAS, UH, ABOUT, UM, YOU, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT ABOUT, GIVE OR TAKE, UM, I THINK ABOUT YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE DEVELOPED 2174 UNITS, YOU GOT A APPROVAL FOR THIRTY NINE TWENTY FIVE.
SO LET'S CALL THAT ROUGHLY 1700 UNITS, 1,750 THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD BILL TODAY.
UM, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE EXTRA 1175.
WHY, WHY NOW? WHY, WHY DO YOU NEED, UH, WHY DO YOU FEEL YOU NEED APPROVAL NOW FOR THOSE WHEN YOU HAVEN'T BUILT OUT EVERYTHING YOU CAN? RIGHT? BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVE TO NEW TENANTS AND NEW INVESTORS THAT WE CAN BUILD OUT THE ENTIRE SITE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA INVEST AND OWN A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THEN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT IS IT, IS IT GONNA BE A DIRT FIELD FOR, FOR FOREVER? RIGHT? THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A PLAN, A MASTER PLAN THAT'S ACHIEVABLE, RIGHT.
FROM, FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE PARTICULARLY.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT'S LED US TO THIS POINT.
WHEN YOU SAY, UM, PROVE TO NEW TENANTS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE OFFICE BUILDINGS OR FOR THE RETAIL OR BOTH? ALL, ALL ALL TENANTS.
THE RETAIL, THE OFFICE, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE THERE.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE COUNT ON THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT GONNA DIE A NATURAL DEATH WITH, WITH, WITH UNFINISHED REAL ESTATE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET REZONED AND, AND PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY, PROVIDE THAT OPTION TO THOSE INVESTORS.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE VACANT LAND, THAT'S ALL OWNED BY KDC, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS IS, UM, I I'M ASSUMING IS FOR YOUR OWN FINANCING AND YOUR OWN INVESTORS AND KDC AND BEING ABLE TO SHOW THEM WHAT THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE REST OF THAT, SOMETHING THAT'S VIABLE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF AUDIENCES THAT THAT APPEALS TO, YOU KNOW, OUR OWNERS, THE, THE TENANTS, THE, THE RETAIL FOLKS, THE OFFICE PLAYERS, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE CITYLINE COMPLETED IN SOME LOGICAL WAY.
AND WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT PRECLUDING ANY OF THE USES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SUGGESTED.
IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE THE MARKET FOR THOSE USES RIGHT NOW.
AND IF WE GET THOSE USES, WE'LL CERTAINLY WE'LL DO A HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL TOWER.
I MEAN, WHO WOULDN'T, IF THE MARKET CAME BACK? WE, WE'VE GOT GREAT LOCATIONS FOR THAT.
WE COULD RE WE COULD REJIGGER THINGS AND IT COULD BE A FOCAL POINT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THAT'S DEVELOPABLE TODAY.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT
AND, AND AS FAR AS THE APARTMENTS, UM, UM, THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR, UM, APPROVAL ON, UM, DO YOU KNOW GENERALLY HOW MANY BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE AND WHERE THOSE WOULD BE LOCATED? OR ARE YOU JUST KIND OF LEAVING THAT OPEN FOR THE TIME BEING? NO, WE, WE'VE DONE SOME, SOME TEST FIT KIND OF STUDIES WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE EXTENDED THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE ROADWAY SYSTEM, AND WE'VE CREATED, YOU KNOW, CHUNKS OF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A QUARTER TO THREE AND A HALF ACRES.
UH, I, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND COUNT 'EM, BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'D SAY THERE WERE SEVEN OR EIGHT UHHUH.
AND YOU WOULD, UH, MOST LIKELY BE SELLING THE LAND IN THOSE CASES TO APARTMENT DEVELOPERS, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE A APART JOINT VENTURING WITH THEM.
FOR THE APARTMENTS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED.
UH, WE, WE DEVELOPED THE APARTMENTS WITH JLBA GREAT RECORDABLE GROUP WHO'S, WHO'S GONNA DO ANOTHER, UH, COMPLEX IN YOUR, IN YOUR CITY.
UH, AND WE JOINT VENTURE THOSE, RIGHT? WE, AND THAT, THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
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WHAT YOU DON'T WANNA DO ON AN EARLY ON THE EARLY ONSET OF, OF CITY LINE IS CHARGE TOO MUCH MONEY FOR YOUR LAND, RIGHT? AND THEN, THEN, THEN THINGS BECOME DIFFICULT TO FINANCE, RIGHT? WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS HAVE THINGS HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY AND, AND YOU WANNA FACILITATE THAT BY, BY PARTNERING WITH THOSE ENTITIES, CONTRIBUTING THE LAND AT A REASONABLE BASIS, BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CRAZY AND GET THINGS GOING.THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE, THE, THE CYCLE THAT WE'VE TRIED TO GO THROUGH A, THROUGH A CITY LINE.
AND THE OTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THAT IS THE $118 MILLION TIFF AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH CITYLINE.
THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS OUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A SUNSET ON THE, ON THE, ON THE TIF TIF DOCUMENT.
COMMISSIONER ROBERTS GOT, YEAH.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR OCCUPANCY RATE ON WHAT YOU'VE BUILT OUT? UH, UH, THE OCCUPANCY RATE ON YEAH.
AND YOUR RESIDENTIAL BUILD OUT.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OVER 90% FOR ALL OF THE UNITS.
AND, AND THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING JUST TO KIND OF TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE IN THE NATURAL PROGRESSION.
WE STARTED BUILDING, UH, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
WELL, YOU SAW WHAT, WHAT ZELL CORSON DID ON OFF OF NORTH OF RENNER.
WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BETWEEN CITY LINE AND RENTER.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS ANOTHER DEVELOPER.
BUT HE STARTED OUT WITH A KIND OF A, A SURFACE PARKED KIND OF TWO OR THREE STORY CONCEPT.
AND THEN HE WENT INTO A FI WENT INTO A FIVE STORY WRAPPED, UH, AND, AND BECAUSE THE MARKET HAD CHANGED SO QUICKLY FOR HIM, WE HAVE BEEN DOING FIVE STORY WRAP SINCE THE, SINCE THE OUTSET.
AND, AND, AND ULTIMATELY THERE'S, THERE'S A KIND OF A BIG QUALITY LIP IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN AIR CONDITION YOUR, YOUR CORRIDORS FOR, LIKE, FOR A DAY LIKE THIS, YOU'D REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
BUT A LOT, A LOT OF THOSE, A LOT OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS DO NOT HAVE AIR CONDITIONED CORRIDORS.
THEY BASICALLY OPEN TO, TO THE, TO THE AIR UNTIL YOU WALK INTO YOUR UNIT.
THEN, THEN, THEN IT'S AIR CONDITIONING.
AND THE LAST, THE LAST ONE WE DID, THE REGISTER THAT WE DID WITH JLB HAD THOSE CONDITIONED CORRIDORS, AND THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER STEP UP IN THE RENTAL EXPECTATIONS.
AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT'S ULTIMATELY GONNA LEAD TO A HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
BUT, BUT I, I CAN'T TELL YOU TODAY THAT WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD A HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PRECLUDED FROM DOING ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE SUGGESTING.
SO THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, I THINK THE TOTAL NUMBER WAS THREE OR 39 25 IS WHERE YOU WOULD END UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUEST FOR THE 11, WHATEVER IT WAS, 1100 UNITS, WE'D END UP AT 3,100 UNITS FOR, FOR FOR 3,100.
SO I'M, I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHY WHEN YOU STILL HAVE, WHAT IS IT, 1750 THAT YOU CAN BUILD OUT, RIGHT? UH, WHY DON'T YOU BUILD THOSE OUT? WE WE'RE TRYING, WE ARE TRYING.
I GUESS IF, IF, WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS THAT IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED HIGHER RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN ORDER FOR THE RETAIL TO MAKE SENSE, WELL THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DENSITY INCREASE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY APPROVED FOR, RIGHT? WELL, TECHNICALLY WE'RE NOT REALLY INCREASING THE DENSITY PER SE, WE'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF UNITS, RIGHT.
WHICH YOU CAN EXTRAPOLATE INTO, INTO THE SAME THING.
UM, I GUESS, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR US TO SHOW A COM, UH, AN A AN AVENUE TOWARDS A COMPLETED PROJECT, RIGHT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD OUT ALL THOSE UNITS.
I HOPE WE DON'T, I HOPE WE DO SOME OFFICE, IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF WE COULD RESORT BACK TO THE PRE PANDEMIC PLAN THAT WE HAD.
WE JUST CAN'T AT THIS POINT AND, AND WE NEED TO SHOW A VIABLE ENDING TO THE C TO A CITY LINE BUILD OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY AGAIN,
I JUST, UH, I GUESS I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, STAFF SAID.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION, WHICH IS YOU'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THE DENSITY AND ALL THAT FOR THE RESIDENT, FOR THE, UH, RETAIL TO MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? BUT I JUST THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN KD C'S RECORD, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, SIGNIFICANT IN THE SPACE BOTH FOR, UH, OFFICE AND FOR RETAIL WITH YOUR JVS AND THAT, THAT YOU COULD BRING A LITTLE MORE CREATIVITY RATHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, HIGHER DENSITY UNITS, MORE RESIDENTIAL AND NO REAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THE RETAIL.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU SAID ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, FOR MY PURPOSES, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, PAINT IN FOR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE RETAIL, RIGHT? AND I, I WOULD TELL YOU THE KEY THING TO, TO CITYLINE SUCCESS THUS FAR IS THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE'VE HAD TO PUT THE UNIT, PUT THE USES WHEREVER WE WANT.
BUT, BUT THERE WILL, AS YOU, AS YOU COULD SEE IN THAT, IN THAT OTHER, THAT OTHER GRAPHIC, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN INTENDED CONNECTION BETWEEN STATE STREET
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ACROSS PLANO ROAD, RIGHT? RIGHT.TO, TO WILSHIRE AND THEN DOWN, AND THEN CONNECTING IT TO THE WHOLE FOODS SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT? THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE KIND OF OUR RETAIL SPINE, RIGHT? AND OR, OR AT LEAST A MAIN STREET FRONTAGE AS IT'S DETERMINED IN, IN, IN THE TOT TOD ZONING.
AND THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE FOR US TO HAVE THAT OVERALL PLAN.
YET WE STILL HAVE 39,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE'VE NEVER REALLY OCCUPIED.
MOST OF THAT IS IN, IS IN FOUR CITY LINE, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND WE'VE GOT STOREFRONT UP NOW AND WE'RE LEASING THAT.
AND THAT'S A MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE POSITION THAT WE'VE TAKEN.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JORDAN AND HIS GROUP THAT ARE DOING THAT.
UH, BUT WE'RE SUPPORTING HIM IN, IN THAT, IN THOSE EXPECTATIONS OF TRYING TO CREATE THAT CONNECTION.
BECAUSE AT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE THAT SMALL PLAZA ON WILSHIRE AND STATE STREET, BUT BEYOND, YOU CROSS OVER WILSHIRE AND IT'S, AND IT'S BASICALLY NO MAN'S LAND.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SOLVE, IS WHAT DOES NO MAN'S LAND LIKELY TO BE? SO, SO THAT WE CAN ULTIMATELY DEPICT A PLAN THAT THAT COMPLETE CITY LINE IN SOME CONFIGURATION MAY NOT BE THE ULTIMATE CONFIGURATION.
AND, AND CLEARLY WE'D LOVE TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE USES THAT YOU GUYS ARE GUYS ARE LOOKING AT.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF THESE FOLKS, RIGHT? WE'VE TALKED TO THE A MF BOWLING GUYS OR, OR, AND, AND THE, UH, PLANO, UM, SUPER BOWL WHO ARE, WHO ARE JUST LE LESS THAN TWO MILES AWAY FROM OUR SITE.
UH, SO THERE ARE AMEN, THOSE AMENITIES IN THE MARKETPLACE.
AND FOR US TO CONVINCE ANOTHER BOWLER OR, OR, OR, UH, OTHER TYPE OF TENANT, A THEATER, THEY'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MARKETPLACE AND DETERMINE THAT IT HASN'T BEEN SERVED OR THERE'S SOME MISSING LINK THERE.
ANYWAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KELLER.
SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND KD C'S POSITION TO BE IS THAT, UM, BY INCREASING THE NUMBER OF UNITS AS YOU, TO USE YOUR TERM, YOU PUT MORE HEADS IN BEDS, WHICH HELPS YOU RESOLVE, UM, SOME OF THE RETAIL ISSUE PERHAPS, BUT ON A HIGHER LEVEL, UM, HELPS TO ATTRACT TENANTS OF ALL KINDS, RIGHT? UM, TO THE CITY LINE PROJECT, UM, IN ORDER TO CREATE THIS COMPLETED VISION FOR THE CITY LINE PROJECT.
UM, WHAT I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND IS, IS HOW THESE ADDITIONAL UNITS HELPS ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO WITH THE 1100 ADDITIONAL UNITS, GIVE OR TAKE, UM, HOW MANY HEADS AND BEDS DOES THAT ADD, APPROXIMATELY? WELL, WE ALWAYS USE, FOR ANY ONE UNIT, WE USE 1.65, THE CITY USES A DIFFERENT FACTOR, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE.
BUT, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU MAY, YOU MAY, YOU SUMMARIZED OUR ISSUE REALLY WELL BECAUSE HEADS ON BEDS IS, IS A CONCEPT THAT IN ORDER FOR, FOR US TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE RETAIL ARENA, PEOPLE HAVE TO WAKE UP EVERY DAY AND PATRONIZE THOSE TENANTS OR, OR CHOOSE NOT TO IN A, IN A DAY, BUT STILL WAKE UP THE NEXT DAY
AND SO THE SUPPORT OF THE RETAIL IS, IS CRITICAL TO, TO, TO ADDITIONAL UNITS.
NOW, THE DIFFERENCE IS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL UNITS, WE'RE REQUESTING ENOUGH UNITS TO BUILD OUT THE PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET INVESTORS TO INVEST IN, IN DEVELOPING THOSE PROJECTS TO GENERATE THE HEADS ON BEDS TO SERVICE THE RETAIL, BUT ALSO RETAILERS, RIGHT? RETAILERS WANNA KNOW THAT THERE'S A COMPLETION PLAN AND THAT THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE INVESTING THEIR KIND OF STARTUP, WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO AT CITYLINE, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GONNA GROW IN THEIR PROFITABILITY AND, AND, UH, AND VIABILITY, RIGHT? BUT TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, YOU'RE ABLE TO, OR KDC IS ABLE TO BUILD PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE THIS EVENING, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT SPECIFICALLY THE IDEA IS THAT YOU NEED, IN ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO WORK, YOU NEED TO UP THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU CAN BUILD IN THE CITY LINE PROJECT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER IS THAT'S SPECIFICALLY TIED TO, AGAIN, MAKING THIS A SUCCESS, UM, BUT SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE IDEA THAT, UH, THESE ADDITIONAL, UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GOING TO BE OCCUPYING THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE THE PATRONS FOR THE BUSINESSES, OR AT LEAST THE RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANTS WITHIN CITY LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY ANALYSIS OF, SO I JUST DID THE NUMBER, UH, OR CRUNCH THE NUMBERS HERE, AND IF MY MATH IS CORRECT, YOU WERE SAYING THE 1.65 PER UNIT, WHICH ADDS ABOUT 1800 INDIVIDUALS TO, UH, THE CITY LINE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHAT THIS REQUEST NETS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER 1800 PEOPLE MAKES A DIFFERENCE? I GUESS IT'S, IT'S INTUITIVE FOR US.
I, I, I, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T POINT TO A MARKET STUDY, BUT I, I CAN ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THE REST OF THE RESTAURANTS ALONG STATE STREET, ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF, OF PLANO ROAD HAVE STRUGGLED MAINLY WITH THE ABSENCE OF STATE FARM EMPLOYEES.
BUT, BUT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO SUPPLANT THAT WITH PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP
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THERE AND WAKE AND WAKE UP EVERY, EVERY DAY THERE.AND SO ULTIMATELY THE, YOU COULD SAY THEORETICALLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 39,000 TOO MUCH OF TOO MUCH RETAIL SPACE BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED, RIGHT? IF, AND, AND IF YOU'VE BEEN DEVELOPING THIS FOR 10 YEARS AND IT'S NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE TOO MUCH RETAIL SPACE, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? SO, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WILL RUN ITS COURSE AND PEOPLE TENANT WILL OCCUPY THAT SPACE AND BE SUCCESSFUL AND, AND ULTIMATELY THEY'LL BE SUPPORTED BY THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS WELL AS EVERYBODY THAT WORKS AND LIVES AT CITYLINE.
DO YOU KNOW, UM, POST COVID, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE NO LONGER IN THE OFFICE? UM, AT THE STATE FARM PROJECT, UH, AT, AT THE HEIGHT OF, AT THE HEIGHT OF STATE FARM, ALL FOUR BUILDINGS, THERE WAS ABOUT 11,000 PEOPLE.
AND, AND THAT THEY WERE IN THERE EVERY DAY.
AND SO NOW, UM, AND JUST AS A, TO DIGRESS SLIGHTLY, UM, THIS CONTI, THIS CONSTITUENCY, THIS STATE FARM EMPLOYEE WAS, IS REALLY THE PERFECT TARGET FOR A LIVE, FOR A WORK FROM HOME, UH, CLIENT, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE, THEY WERE A CALL CENTER OPERATION THAT WAS PROCESSING CLAIMS. MM-HMM.
AND YOU CAN DO THAT FROM YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND SO, AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE, HAVE ACTUALLY LET THEIR EMPLOYEES STAY AT HOME BECAUSE THEY, BECAUSE THEIR PRODUCTIVITY HASN'T DECREASED AND THEY WANTED AND THEY WANNA DO THAT, RIGHT? AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO REALLY NOT SKIP A BEAT, BUT, BUT THEY, BUT WE ENDED UP WITH VACANT OFFICE SPACE, RIGHT? SO NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S, THERE'S DEMANDS IN OFF DAYS, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR TIMES A MONTH WHERE A THOUSAND FOLKS MIGHT COME, COME TO WORK IN ORDER TO GET SPECIAL TRAINING AND DO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF CORPORATE, CORPORATE ORIENTED.
BUT AT THE PEAK THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 11,000 EMPLOYEES THERE IN THAT COMPLEX, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS STILL APPROXIMATELY 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE AROUND THE STATE STREET AREA THAT WAS UNOCCUPIED, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED, SO IT, IT WAS OCCU IT WAS NEVER OCCUPIED SINCE WE'VE CONSTRUCTED IT.
SO I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF, IF WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD 11,000 PEOPLE THERE BEFORE AND WE STILL HAD THE, THE 40%, OR EXCUSE ME, THE 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE BEING UNOCCUPIED, WHAT'S, HOW DOES ADDING 1800 PEOPLE TO THE MIX NOW VERSUS 11,000 THEN AID THE SITUATION? WELL, TRUTHFULLY, I DON'T THINK, UM, JORDAN OR I ARE VERY, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPACE THAT'S EVER BEEN OCCUPIED.
WE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THE SPACE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND THOSE TENANTS GOING DARK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE SUPPORTED PROPERLY WITH THE RIGHT CLIENTELE AND, AND ARE RESIDENCY IN, IN, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT THE VA THE VACANCY IS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF H HOW THE, HOW THE MARKET HASN'T JUST GOBBLED UP SPACE AT AT CITYLINE, BUT, BUT WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GOOD UNION BARBECUE, IN FACT, TRICKY FISH ABOUT JASPER'S.
WE'RE, WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TENANTS GOING DARK.
AND THAT WOULD WOULD BE A WHOLE NOTHER ANOTHER CONVERSATION WE'D HAVE TO HAVE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT WE WANT.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FILL THAT 39,000 SQUARE FOOT OF SPACE.
IT'S JUST, IT HAPPENS TO BE AVAILABLE.
CLEARLY IF USERS COME IN, WE, WE WILL DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN IT.
BUT, BUT YOU, YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME AND GO IN CITY LINE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE STATE STREET RESTAURANTS SCENE THERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT FERNANDO'S THAT HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE HOLDING THEIR OWN, BUT THERE'S SOME OO OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T, AREN'T DOING AS WELL.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGING MULTI-DIMENSIONAL ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOT.
LET ME JUST MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT ALONG THE SAME LINE AS I, AS I RECALL, I DON'T HAVE THE SHEETS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT YOU HAVE 1750, UH, UNITS ON THE BOOKS THAT YOU COULD BUILD OUT NOW, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO USING THE SAME FACTOR OF 1.65 OF MY MATH IS CORRECT, YOU COULD, UM, UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN BRINGING ANOTHER 28 87 RESIDENTS CORRECT.
AND NOW HEADS IN BEDS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT CALL IT.
SO TO ME THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE COMPELLING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS, BUT I WOULD THINK ANY DEVELOPER, OR EVEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER, UH, AUDIENCE, WHICH ARE RETAILERS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE.
WELL, IT, IT, IT'S NOT COMPELLING IF YOU OWN REAL ESTATE AND, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THE ENTIRE THING, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH UNITS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT, THAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF, OF THIS QUESTION AGAIN, IS I'M TRYING TO GET JLB TO PARTNER WITH US ON ANOTHER, ON ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, AND THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE REST OF THE CITY LINE.
WELL, I CAN ONLY SHOW 'EM WHAT HAPPENS WITH, WITH 1,751 UNITS.
I CAN'T SHOW 'EM A FULL BUILD OUT PLAN 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE UNITS APPROVED FOR THAT.
AND I'VE GOT OPPORTUNITY FOR OFFICE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WOULD MY THAT COME? I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE SPACES
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TO, TO, OR AREAS TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL OR, OR WHAT ARE, WHAT WHAT ARE THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS HAVE BEEN? I JUST COULDN'T TELL YOU WHERE THAT IS OR WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO THAT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME IS SOME ASSURANCES THAT WE CAN MARKET THE PROPERTY TO INVESTORS AND TENANTS AND, AND EVERYBODY'S KIND OF AN INVESTOR, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT, YOU'RE INVESTED IN CITYLINE.
IF YOU'RE THE CITY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE INVESTED IN CITYLINE.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THE TRUST TO SAY, LOOK, WE, WE NEED THIS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT STATE STREET DOESN'T GO DARK AND THE WHOLE WORLD DOESN'T CAVE IN OVER AT CITY LINE BECAUSE THE DYNAMICS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED POST COVID AND, AND, AND WE WOULD NOT, WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO NOT BE UP HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO HOW, HOW CR YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE WHOLE FOODS, UH, AND THAT SHOPPING CENTER OVERALL THAT'S DONE PRETTY WELL AND STAYED PRETTY WELL OCCUPIED.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN PHENOMENAL.
IT'S BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT SINCE IT OPENED.
AND I THINK YOU COULD GO THROUGH THERE AND SEE THE ACTUAL TENANTS THAT, THAT HAVE ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN THERE AND REALLY SOME KIND OF ONE-OFF FOLKS.
WE LOST TACO DINER, BUT REPLACED THAT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS.
UH, AND SOME OF THOSE STORES ARE ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST GROSSING STORES THAT, THAT THE COMPANY HAS.
UH, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UH, ANOTHER TYPE OF REAL, UM, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AT ALL? UH, I KNOW YOU WITH THE VACANCY ALONG STATE STREET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPE WITH THE, UM, CHARACTER.
I DON'T KNOW THE OF, OF THE STREET ITSELF, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE SHOPPING CENTER OR, UM, OBVIOUSLY I WATCHED THE LAST, UM, HEARING ON THIS AND THERE WAS A TALK OF, YOU KNOW, MORE APPAREL AND THINGS LIKE YOU, TYPES OF STORES YOU MIGHT SEE AT LEGACY WEST.
UM, HAVE YOU GUYS GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO, TO DOING SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES MORE APARTMENTS, UM, ON ANY OF THE VACANT LAND? I KNOW YOU WANT YOUR, YOUR SPECIALTIES OFFICE AND THERE'S NO MARKET FOR THAT, BUT, UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, ENTERTAINMENT YOU'VE TRIED, BUT RIGHT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT ANY OTHER TYPES OF, UH, RETAIL KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN JUST THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
YOU'VE GOT ALONG STRAIGHT STATE STREET, YOU'VE HAD DIFFICULTY LEASING, RIGHT? NO.
AND, AND THAT'S, WELL, I MEAN, AND HIS HISTORICALLY WHEN WE WERE, WERE FIRST STARTING WITH THE FIRST, UH, STATE FARM BUILDING, UH, WE GOT A HUGE, UH, LIFT FROM IN THE MARKETPLACE BECAUSE WHOLE FOODS CHOSE THAT LOCATION, RIGHT? THEY HAD CLOSED, I THINK OFF OF COURT IN, IN RICHARDSON AND, AND THEY ULTIMATELY REMAINED CLOSED FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN RELOCATED TO THIS SITE.
THAT WAS A HUGE VALIDATION FOR US, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, THEN WE GOT JASPER'S, JASPER WAS LIKE THE SECOND VALIDATION OF, OF THE OVERALL THING AND THAT, THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF CAST US INTO THIS VEHICULAR ORIENTED, UH, CENTER, WHICH HAS GOT WHOLE FOODS AND CVS AND IT, IT'S, IT'S WORKED OUT WELL.
BUT THAT DRAWS FROM, FOR, FROM, THAT'S, THAT'S MORE THAN A WALKABLE CONNECTION, ALTHOUGH THE WALK WALKABLE CONNECTION IS FANTASTIC FOR, FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY, PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTS AND, AND THE HOMEOWNERS.
UH, BUT I, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DESTINATION RETAIL THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
RIGHT? UH, AND, AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE CLIENTELE AT LEGACY WEST IS, IS DIFFERENT THAN, THAN WHAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE IN ORDER TO, TO GRAB THOSE FOLKS, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, COLLIN COUNTY OR COLLIN COUNTY, COLLIN CREEK MALL IS GONNA BE REDEVELOPED AND OPEN SOON.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR COMPANIES TO GO AND COMPETE WITH US.
AND, AND SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONCERN ABOUT WHOLE FOODS SHUTTING DOWN? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, AND IF I, AND, AND, AND IF I'M NOT AWARE OF IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT HAPPENING.
I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN OBNOXIOUS, IT JUST, I I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU INSECURITY OR, OR, OR, OR, OR KIND OF HALF ANSWERS.
UM, AND MAYBE YOU COULD JUST COMMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS I GUESS, THAT WERE RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, SUCH AS, UM, YOU KNOW, A DESIRE FOR MORE HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITY FOR TOWN HOMES, UH, OR LIVE WORK UNITS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY A FOUR-LEGGED STOOL, INTER ENTERTAINMENT LIKE A BOWLING ALLEY THEATER WHERE SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD, RIGHT.
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LET'S SEE, UH, MR. MR. VOLKER'S NOT HERE TO TONIGHT.UH, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT, AGAIN, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE FOUR-LEGGED STOOL IS, IS, IS IF THE MARKET'S THERE FOR IT, WE'RE NOT MISSING DEALS.
WE, WE, WE WE'RE NOT MISSING, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF RE RETAIL USE THERE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ZONED FOR, FOR PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING.
AND WE'VE GOT A FOUR BASED ZONING CODE, WHICH MEANS WE CAN REALLY KIND OF DEVELOP, HOWEVER IT IS WE WANNA DEVELOP WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, THAT FOREIGN-BASED ZONING CODE.
SO IF, IF, IF A, IF A DEVELOPER CAME TO US WITH A HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL PLAN, LET'S GO.
I MEAN, I, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT'S DIFF THE, THE ENTIRE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKET IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO FINANCE.
I THINK LOOK FORWARD 12, 18 MONTHS RESIDENTIAL IS GONNA BE THE, IS GONNA BE THE PRODUCT TYPE THAT'S GONNA BREAK AWAY.
AND THEN OFFICE IS STILL GONNA BE, GONNA BE SITTING THERE.
I THINK RETAIL IS, IS PROBABLY GONNA BE NEXT AFTER, AFTER MULTIFAMILY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF OUR, OUR POSITION IS THAT'S, THAT'S A SALEABLE ALTERNATIVE.
I UNDERSTAND HOW, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY COULD COME BACK AND YOU COULD, YOU COULD FINISH THIS PROJECT OFF BY THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE ASSUMED AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THEN HOPEFULLY IN THREE YEARS, OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE THE RAGE AND WE CAN, WE CAN PLOP DOWN A COUPLE OF THOSE AND, AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, UH, WHAT'S A GOOD WAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PREDISPOSITION ON WHAT, WHAT THE, THE PROPERTY'S GONNA ULTIMATELY BE.
THE MARKET'S GONNA DICTATE THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT, THAT YOU'RE HAVING IS YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU WANT THINGS TO HAPPEN, BUT THE MARKET ISN'T THERE TO SUPPORT THE ECONOMICS SURROUNDING THOSE USES RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU JUST NEED TO TRUST US AND WE'LL, WE'LL DEVELOP THE PROJECT IN A HIGH QUALITY MANNER, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS, ALWAYS DONE IN THE PAST.
JOE? UM, YEAH, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S THE, I THINK THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING, AND WE, WE WILL PROBABLY TALK THIS A LITTLE BIT IN DELIBERATIONS, IS THE VISION FOR THIS WAS NEVER KIND OF THE STANDARD PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT IN THERE.
WHICH IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT THE PRODUCT AT ALL.
IT'S ABOUT THAT PRODUCT TAKES THE POTENTIAL FROM SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU'RE GONNA BUILD WHAT MAKES MONEY NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S CLEAR.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THE OWNING LAND BUSINESS.
SO I THINK THE CONCERN GENERALLY IS, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET OUT.
BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA FURTHER THE VIEW THAT I THINK AND, AND, AND WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION ABOUT IT.
UM, THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS COMES DOWN TO IS, YES, WE UNDERSTAND AND WE ARE SYMPATHETIC TO YOUR ECONOMIC NEEDS, BUT THIS WAS A VERY SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT WITH A VERY SPECIFIC VISION.
AND IF THAT VISION, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU TOOLS TO KIND OF CHEW AWAY THAT VISION, AND, AND YOU COULD SAY ALL DAY, WELL, I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU IS, IS A, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT THOSE THINGS AREN'T GONNA COME.
AND YOU AND I, AND WE ALL KNOW THIS, WELL THEN BY GIVING YOU THIS OPPORTUNITY, YOU'RE JUST GONNA BUILD MORE AND WE'RE GONNA GET LESS OF THE VISION.
AND THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE CRUX OF THE CONFLICT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO.
AND I, I, IF YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT OR SOME WAY TO ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN HERE, WELL THAT'LL CERTAINLY HELP YOU HERE KNOW, TO HELP YOU WITH THE, THE COUNCIL.
SO, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE VISION OF CITYLINE IS? AND HAS CITYLINE MET YOUR, MET YOUR VISION OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE TO DATE? 'CAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA DO A LOT MORE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE SO FAR.
SO I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A, AN ABILITY TO SCALE THAT VISION.
AND, AND I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A THOUGHT AMONGST YOU THAT WE, WE HAVE TO GET CERTAIN THINGS IN THERE, OTHERWISE, THE REST OF THE THING IS JUST NOT GONNA BE WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE.
AND THAT'S, AND AGAIN, I'M HERE TO, TO DISCUSS WHAT YOUR VISION IS AND WHAT OUR VISION IS.
AND, AND JUST AS AN ASIDE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LIKE ANY MASTER DEVELOPER.
WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET A, A LAND BASIS THAT ALLOWS US TO STAY IN FOR THE LONG, LONG HAUL, RIGHT? AND, AND SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PRESSURED BY, BY LAND HOLDING COSTS.
UH, WE JUST WANT TO, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW COMPLETION, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT HEADS ON BEDS TO SUPPORT THE RETAIL THAT WE HAVE AND, AND HAVE THEM CONTINUE TO OPERATE ON STATE STREET AND, AND IN CITY MARKETPLACE.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, FROM, IN MY OPINION, THE, UH, THE FACT THAT YOU HAD, UH, WENT, YOU KNOW, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS ARE RADICALLY DIFFERENT POST COVID, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, NOT TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU DO, BUT I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UH, DIFFERENCES.
BUT THE, UM, HAVING THE ADDITIONAL 11,000
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STATE FARM EMPLOYEES, BUT STILL HAVING THE 40,000 SQUARE FOOT UNOCCUPIED, TO ME THAT KIND OF SAYS THAT YOU MAYBE NEED A DIFFERENT VISION, A DIFFERENT, UH, VISION FOR THE RETAIL SPACE.AND SO I JUST, FROM, IN MY OPINION, MY SUMMARY WOULD BE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU, UM, HAVE MORE, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU GET THE HEADS AND BEDS, THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE RETAIL.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU COME FORWARD WITH SOME KIND OF A, A CONCRETE PLAN RELATED TO WHAT YOU INTEND FOR RETAIL.
BECAUSE WITH THE 11,000 EMPLOYEES THERE, HAVING 40,000 SQUARE FOOT OF UN NEVER RENTED SPACE, TO ME IT SAYS THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF A LACK OF VISION FOR THAT RETAIL SPACE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE CREATIVITY AROUND, UH, THE RETAIL PLAN, YOU KNOW, UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO 3000 ALREADY APPROVED, YOU KNOW, SPACES FOR HEADS AND BEDS.
WELL, JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM, LONG TERM.
IN THE SHORT TERM, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE EXISTING TENANTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE RETAIL SPACE.
WE HAVE, WE'RE ALSO FOCUSED ON LEASING THE VACANT SPACE THAT, THAT WE HAVE.
BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL RETAIL SPACE, WE HAVE MORE THAN WE CAN SAY GRACE OVER RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, SO WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE VEIN OF WHAT YOUR CONVERSATION IS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S PARTICULARLY DIFFERENT LIKE A COMEDY CLUB, OR IT, IT'D BE, IT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF USE THAT MIGHT EVEN FIT INTO THAT SPACE.
I MEAN, PHYSICALLY INTO THAT SPACE.
BUT IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT USE THAN WHAT WE MIGHT BE HAVE, HAVE, WE MIGHT HAVE WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE AT IN THE REST OF CITY LINE, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN ENTERTAIN ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE USES.
IT'S JUST, SO, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A FREESTANDING, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, THERE'S A CINEMA IN OUR FUTURE OR A BOWLING ALLEY IN OUR FUTURE.
AND THIS, THIS WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT AFTER SEVEN IS, IS HOPEFULLY GONNA BE MUTE IF, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN, UM, GENERATE ENOUGH HEADS ON BEDS AND, AND KEEP THE PLACE OPEN AT NIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, UH, SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT RETAIL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE RAW LAND THAT'S STILL OUT THERE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, REFITTING, THE, UH, THE 40,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE MORE CREATIVITY WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS FROM MR. ER'S COMMENTS AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING WAS FOCUSING ON THAT FOURTH LEG OF THE STOOL, AS YOU MENTIONED.
AND THAT FOURTH LEG HAD TO DO WITH THAT ENTERTAINMENT.
AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE KEY FEATURES OF HAVING AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE LIKE THEATER OR COMEDY CLUB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IS IT HAS A BETTER CH IT WOULD GIVE YOU A BETTER CHANCE OF DRAWING SOME OF THE OTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND RICHARDSON RESIDENTS AND SOME PLANO RESIDENTS AND SO ON TO THE CENTER TO HELP MAKE THE EVENING MUCH MORE VIBRANT.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT, I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR YOUR DESCRIPTION AT THE LAST MEETING OF THAT, UH, PARKING GARAGE SPACE NOT BEING RETAINED SO THAT IT COULD ENCOURAGE THAT KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT DEVELOPMENT.
AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A REAL UNFORTUNATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND I, SO YOU ASK US TO, TO TRUST YOU.
UM, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT THE TRUST ON THAT, UH, PARKING, UH, WASN'T MAINTAINED WELL, I CAN, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU THIS.
IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL AT ALL.
WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES.
YEAH, NO, AND THAT'S, AND I'M, I'M SETTLING THAT DESCRIPTION WITH THAT PROBLEM.
I'M CURIOUS, I MEAN, Y'ALL HAVE DONE BUSINESS WITH AND IN RICHARDSON FOR TWO PLUS DECADES, I'M SURE AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU ARE, AND NOT EVERYTHING'S ALWAYS BEEN A SUCCESS.
AND I WONDER IF MAYBE IT WOULD HELP TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE ADDITIONAL HEAD ZONE BEDS BY THINKING ABOUT SOME PROJECT YOU'VE DONE HERE THAT FOR LACK OF THAT KIND OF SUPPORT, UH, WENT DOWN THE TUBES.
HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR HAS IT ALWAYS JUST BEEN, LIFE IS GRAND NEVER ANOTHER DOWN DAY? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING BUSINESSES,
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UH, WHEN, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, WHEN RETAIL STARTS TO SHUT DOWN, THAT'S, THAT'S A BAD, BAD SITUATION.BUT CAN YOU GIVE US SOMETHING TO COMPARE THIS TO THAT, HERE'S A, HERE'S WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T GO DOWN THIS PATH.
WELL, I MEAN, IN EXTREME CASES, CALLING, CALLING, CALLING MALL COL CREEK MALL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT HAD BEEN GOING ALONG FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEN, AND THEN PEOPLE STOPPED GOING THERE, THINGS GOT DARK AND IT WENT DARK.
AND NOW IT'S UNDER COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I, AND YEAH, ANYWAY, I DON DUNNO IF I, IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT I, FOCUSING ON OUR EXISTING RETAIL TENANTS IS, IS, IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN IMAGINE DURING COVID, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY WAS PAYING FULL RENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND BECAUSE WE, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO INVEST IN ALONG WITH THREE EDGEWOOD IN ORDER TO, TO MAKE THAT, TO KIND OF CLOSE THAT GAP, IF YOU WILL, AND KEEP PEOPLE OPEN.
AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
AGAIN, I, I AM SURE WHAT WE'VE GOT THE, THE SUPPORT FROM OUR RETAIL OWNER.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ENGAGING WITH YOU GUYS AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN CITYLINE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, THE, THE MOST SIMPLE THING AROUND.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND, A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
UM, WELL, I, I THINK WE LEARNED MORE, UH, ABOUT THIS, UH, TONIGHT.
AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, KDC IS AN OUTSTANDING DEVELOPER AND AND PARTNER FOR RICHARDSON.
AND EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN YOU DO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHEST QUALITY.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REAL SUCCESS STORY FOR CITYLINE RICHARDSON AS EVEN AS IT IS TODAY.
EVEN WITH THE VACANT RETAIL, YOU'VE GOT, UH, OVERALL IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IMMACULATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STATE FARM, YOU KNOW, HAS ALLOWED THEIR EMPLOYEES TO WORK FROM HOME.
THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A REAL BIG BLOW.
UM, SO, UM, I I, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE OFFICE MARKET'S EVER COMING BACK.
AND, AND I HOPE THERE WILL BE A RETURN, UH, TO COMING INTO THE OFFICE.
AND THERE IS, UH, THAT FUTURE OPPORTUNITY FOR KDC TO BUILD.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IF THEY CAN, IF THERE'S A MARKET THERE FOR 'EM.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL ENTERTAINMENT, THERE COULD BE RETAIL.
I MEAN, ALL THOSE USES ARE STILL AVAILABLE TO THEM, UH, IN, IN THE PLAN.
UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THE BIGGEST RISK SEEMS TO, AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND HEARING, LISTENING TO THE LAST ONE SEEMS TO BE THE CONCERN ABOUT, WELL, IT'S JUST GONNA FINISH OUT AS FIVE STORY WRAPS, YOU KNOW? AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE WORST THING, UM, GIVEN THE, THE
I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF A FEAR FACTOR OVER, UH, WHAT THOSE MIGHT LOOK LIKE 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY IS THE ONLY VIABLE ALTERNATIVE RIGHT NOW UNTIL YOU CAN REALLY JUSTIFY GOING HIGH RISE.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A HIGH RISE, YOU KNOW, LUXURY CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT THERE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND THEY'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
I THINK THEY'VE GOTTA SEE THAT THE MARKET'S THERE.
BUT THIS IS A, A, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE REQUEST IS, IS ASKING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A, A VIABLE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, TO FINISH OUT THE, THE ENTIRE ACREAGE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING, AND NOT MEANING THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY GONNA BUILD IT, BUT AT LEAST ON PAPER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A, A MARKET VIABLE PRODUCT THAT COULD FINISH OUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND AGAIN, GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT THERE, I DON'T, I DON'T, NOBODY WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, A BAD THING.
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IT JUST, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M INCLINED TO, I I WORRY ABOUT THE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS, UH, REQUEST THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO GET A SUPER MAJORITY AT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD BE A, A DIFFICULT, UM, THING FOR THEM TO OVERCOME.AND IF THE COUNCIL WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER LEAVE IT IN THEIR HANDS WHERE THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, VOTE ON A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
BUT I MEAN, WE GOTTA DO WHAT WE THINK IS, IS, IS RIGHT IN, IN OUR OPINION.
SO WHO WAS FIRST JOE? I WAS, I WAS FIRST NATE.
MY, MY COMMENT, CLOSING COMMENT WOULD BE THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT, BUT, UH, THIS AS A TOD, UH, APPARENTLY DART HOLDS THIS, UH, CITY LINE OUT AS, UH, ONE OF THEIR PREMIER TODS IN THE STATE.
AND, UM, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, KDC COULD SHOW A LITTLE MORE CREATIVITY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE BUILD OUT PLAN RATHER THAN JUST, UM, HEADS AND BEDS.
AND ALSO GIVEN THAT IT'S 97% OCCUPANCY WITH THE EXISTING UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EASILY ADD ALMOST 3000 MORE BY JUST BUILDING OUT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
SO MY TAKE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT THE TOD IS IS SUCH A HIGH QUALITY AND IT'S SUCH A, A, A STAR FOR THE AREA, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TREND CONTINUE.
BUT THE WAY I'D LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUE IS BY A LITTLE MORE CREATIVITY FOR THE LAND USE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, POSSIBLY RETAIL IDEAS.
YEAH, JOE? YEAH, SO MY THOUGHT IS, UM, JUST VISION WISE, I THINK THIS IS SOLD AS A DESTINATION.
UM, I THINK IT'S PERFECT FOR IT WITH THE LOCATION, EVERYTHING.
I THINK, AND I THINK THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD TO SELL THIS IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOME COMMITMENT WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA ALLOCATE THIS MUCH, OR WE'RE GONNA TAKE PART OF IT AND MAKE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, MUSEUM SLASH MOVIE THEATER SLASH WHATEVER.
I, I THINK WITHOUT SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT OF THAT NATURE, IT IS VERY HARD TO SAY, WELL, WE DID THE BEST WE COULD DO, AND WE JUST PUT A BUNCH OF RAP HERE AND, YOU KNOW, FIVE STORY RAP AND WE'RE DONE.
I, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S GONNA KIND OF MEET THAT NEED.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IT'S A VISION THING.
I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE, THE PROBLEM IS REALLY ABOUT THIS IS NOT GONNA GET THROUGH TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
I THINK WHEN WE DO TALK ABOUT APARTMENT MORE APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE DO FOCUS ON LET'S BUILD 'EM AT TODS, RIGHT? AND MIXED USE ENVIRONMENTS, THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA SEE 'EM HAPPEN.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, RIGHT? SO, UM, I THINK IF THERE'S ANY PLACE TO, TO BUILD MORE THIS, THIS IS THE TYPE OF LOCATION WHERE YOU GOT THE ACCESS TO THE RAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SILVER LINE, YOU COULD HAVE MORE STUDENT HOUSING TYPE HOUSING OVER HERE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, STAFF PRESENTED SOME GOOD EXAMPLES OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, THAT ARE AT NORTH SIDE THAT ARE AT LEGACY WEST, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING GOING TO 5,100 UNITS OR, UM, THEY'RE YEAH, 5,100 UNITS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S COMPARABLE TO SOME OF THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S COMPARABLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, UH, TO ME IT'S NOT, UH, OUT OF REASON TO THINK, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF REQUEST TO LIMIT THEM TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONLY, UH, YOU KNOW, 3,925 UNITS.
SO IT'S, UM, UM, WHEN I, WHEN I JUST LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T THINK WE'D EVEN BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS IF WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THIS MIXED USE ELEMENT ENTERTAINMENT RETAIL.
IT'S A VIBRANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT AN URBAN DENSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE IN, IN CITY LINE.
'CAUSE THAT IS THE TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT NEEDS TO HAVE THAT DENSE, URBAN EN ENVIRONMENT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
SO, UM, I THINK ON THE, ON THE SURFACE, YOU KNOW, JUST ASKING FOR A FEW MORE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER FEW UNITS IS NOT, UM, THAT UNREASONABLE.
SO, LEMME, CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? SURE.
IF, IF WE WERE TO, SO I GET, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO, UH, APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION AS WRITTEN, THAT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.
BUT IF WE WERE TO, UH, DENY IT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY IT, CAN WE ACTUALLY DO THAT WITH, UH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE? WITHOUT PREJUDICE?
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YES, SIR.YOU, YOU MAY CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THE PROBLEM BEFORE IS WE DIDN'T YEAH.
I HAVE A, UH,
WELL, DOWNTOWN PLANO IS A GOOD TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UM, POSSIBLY, BUT LEGACY WEST AND COLLIN CREEK ARE, UH, UH, THEIR, THEIR FOCUS FOCUSED AROUND AUTOMOBILES AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING OF A REPUTATION OF, UH, UM, BEING A WHOLE LOT OF MULTIFAMILY.
AND I, I WOULD HATE FOR THAT TO BE THE PREDOMINANT PERCEPTION OF CITYLINE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE, UH, AND HAS HAD THE, THE REPUTATION OF BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS ORIENTED WITH CLOSE BY MULTI-FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND I WORRY ABOUT IT NOW, KIND OF CHANGING THAT FOCUS.
THAT'S AT A HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEX UP THERE WITH A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES AROUND JUST A, A CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD EXPRESSED FROM SOME OTHER PEOPLE, AND I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A BIT.
WELL, I MEAN, CITYLINE DOES HAVE 2.6 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, UM, BETWEEN STATE FARM AND, UH, RAYTHEON.
UM, SO LEGACY WEST HAS LIBERTY MUTUAL, UM, TOYOTA, UM, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF OTHER OFFICE BUILDINGS, BOTH LEGACY EAST AND LEGACY WEST.
SO, UM, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, UP THERE TOO.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THE, THE RETAIL IS DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AT LEGACY WEST.
UM, SO, UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH COLIN CREEK.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, PLANO IS, IS, IS DOES NOT HAVE THE OFFICE COMPONENT, UH, THAT CITYLINE DOES.
UH, IT'S MAINLY RESIDENTIAL GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
UH, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UH, I, I, I THINK FEEL TO IT.
UM, BUT I, I I, I, I DO REMEMBER LIKE ONE OF WHAT ARE THE DRAWS TO CITYLINE? UH, I THINK THIS CAME UP IN THE LAST HEARING WAS, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE TRAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, IS A BIG PART OF THAT.
AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, AND DART.
UM, SO, UM, I, I THINK IT'S GOT A LOT AMENITIES.
I, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY CAN SEE IT.
I'D HOPE THAT THERE'D BE MORE, MORE THAN JUST THE, THE, THE FIVE STORY WRAPS ON THE, ON THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, RETAIL ALONG THE BUSH OR MAYBE ANOTHER, UH, WHOLE FOODS MARKET TYPE, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT MAYBE WITH A, YOU KNOW, A, A A PLAZA OR A MEETING OR GATHERING PLACE OR AN ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR LIVE MUSIC.
A LITTLE BIT LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN FRONT OF THE ALOFT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER CREATIVE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN ALONG RENTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE ALL BUILT AT ONCE.
THEY'VE STILL GOT, UH, RIGHTS TODAY TO BUILD.
SO IT IS, IT IS A PLAN TO SHOW OUT THERE IS A, A, A VIABLE, UH, ALTERNATIVE TO, TO BUILD THIS OUT OVER TIME AND COMPLETE IT.
BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT'S WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
GARY, SAM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE MAP THAT YOU HAD EARLIER THAT SHOWS CITY LINE, WEST CITY LINE, EAST CITY LINE EAST AND WHATNOT? BECAUSE UNLESS I SLEPT THROUGH PART OF THIS, WELL, ONE, ONE, WELL, THAT'LL DO, THAT'LL DO, UNLESS I SLEPT THROUGH PART OF THIS.
WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING IS JUST A LITTLE PIECE IN THERE, AND THERE'S STILL A TON OF VACANT LAND THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, AS THE MARKET GOES FORWARD, THAT WE'RE NOT PRECLUDING DOING ANYTHING.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING, LET THESE PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUSTAIN WHAT'S IN PLACE AND STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM AND FOR RICHARDSON GOING FORWARD.
AND SO I'M, MAYBE I SLEPT THROUGH PART OF THIS, BUT I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG ARGUMENT REALLY, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT, BIG DISCUSSION IS ABOUT, UH, TO ME IT'S A, IT'S FRANKLY SORT OF A NO BRAINER TO GO AHEAD AND YEAH, LET'S PUT THAT IN.
LET THEM GO AHEAD AND BE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS
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AND STILL HAVE A FUTURE FOR BUSINESS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.UM, SO I, I, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID TONIGHT, UM, I, I FEEL THE SAME AND THAT THIS DOES CHANGE THE VISION, UM, OR AT LEAST IT, IT CHANGES THE VISION THAT I'VE HAD OF CITY LINE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY IN LINE WITH WHAT THE ORIGINAL VISION WAS OR WHAT ANYONE ELSE'S VISION IS, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME TO BE, UM, UH, A DEPARTURE FROM THAT ORIGINAL VISION.
AND I GUESS MY CONCERN TONIGHT, UM, AS IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HEARD THIS, IS THAT, UM, ALTHOUGH ON ITS FACE, UH, THIS REQUEST SEEMS RELATIVELY INNOCUOUS, UM, I THINK IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT, UM, THE BALANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT DOES BECOME THE FIVE STORY WRAP.
UM, OF COURSE, WE DON'T KNOW, BRIAN, TO YOUR POINT, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT YEAR, THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THAT THIS IS WHAT KDC WILL DEVELOP, THAT THERE'LL BE AN INTEREST IN THE MARKET, UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PLAN BASED ON, UM, THE REQUEST HERE TONIGHT WILL NECESSARILY, UM, COME TO FRUITION.
UM, BUT IT CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
UM, AND GIVEN WHERE THE MARKET, UH, CURRENTLY SITS TODAY, AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM KDC ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE FACING, BOTH IN TERMS OF OFFICE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS RETAIL, UH, I DO FIND IT CONCERNING THAT THAT IS, THAT WE'RE OPENING THE DOOR FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IS, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH KDC HAS BEEN, UM, A PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND, AND BUILDS QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS, NO DOUBT, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR INTEREST IS, IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, SUPERIOR OR CERTAINLY, UM, AS, AS HIGH AS ANYONE ELSE'S.
UM, AND SO I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DEVELOPER, UM, AS MOST PEOPLE WILL DO, UM, WHAT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST FINANCIALLY, AND I THINK IF WE OPEN THE DOOR FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT BEING THE REST OF CITY LINE BECOMES, UM, THE FIVE STORY WRAP, UM, THERE'S A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY THAT MAY BE JUST WHAT WE GET THAT'S TRUE.
AND LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THAT FITS WITHIN THE FORM-BASED CODE WITHIN THAT SPACE, BUT BY APPROVING THE REQUEST TO, UM, CREATE THE ADDITIONAL UNITS, UM, IN PARTICULAR IN THIS ONE DISTINCT AREA, WE, I BELIEVE ARE, UM, CREATING A SITUATION WHERE NOW WE'VE SAID, OKAY, WE'VE DONE THIS.
WE'VE, WE'VE ALLOWED FOR MORE UNITS TO BE HERE.
UM, AND WE HA AGAIN, HAVE, HAVE OPENED THE DOOR FOR THAT POSSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, NOW WE WOULD LIKE FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL UNITS AND ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS IN PORT WAR
ANY OTHER, UM, COMMENTS? UM, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL RIDE THIS HORSE ONE MORE TIME.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, ZONING CASE.
WAS IT 24 11 AS PRESENTED? I, I THINK IT'S RECOMMEND APPROVAL JUST TO CORRECT.
I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 24 11 AS PRESENTED.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZONING FILE, UH, 24 11 AS PRESENTED.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, ALL THOSE OPPOSED, AND THAT'S FIVE TO TWO AGAINST, UM, CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY APPROVAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
I SECOND, MOTION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, ALL THOSE OPPOSED JUST THE OPPOSITE, UH, FIVE TWO THAT PASSES.
SO, UH, GOOD LUCK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO, UM, AND THEN, UH, WITHOUT
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PREJUDICE MEANS THAT, UM, IT'S NOT APPROVED.YOU COULD RETURN WITHIN A YEAR WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN, UH, TO PRESENT, CORRECT.
I KNOW IT'S HARD GETTING OUTTA THE HOUSE DONE THIS TWICE.
UH, BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE WERE, WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WE COULD, WE COULD ADVANCE THIS AND, UH, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAD A SERIOUS BLOW, BUT AGAIN, WE JUST HAVE VISIONS OF WHAT'S GONNA TAKE.
BUT AGAIN, THANKS SO MUCH, APPRECIATE IT.
AND
[3. ZF 24-13 PD Planned Development Amendment - Block 24: Consider and act on a request to amend the development regulations of the 25.28-acre PD Planned Development District located at 2000 E. Arapaho Road, southwest of the intersection of E. Arapaho Road and Jupiter Road, to increase the number of multi-family units and modify the minimum unit size. Owner: FST Block 24, LLC. Staff: Derica Peters.]
IS, UH, ITEM THREE.THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 13, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT FOR BLOCK 24.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR BLOCK 24 TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND MODIFY THE MIN, THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
IT HA IS SURROUNDED BY, UH, MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE-FAMILY AND DUPLEX DEVELOPMENTS TO THE WEST AND SOUTH.
TO THE NORTH ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
AND TO THE EAST IS THE CITY OF GARLAND, EAST OF JUPITER ROAD.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 24 ACRES.
THE PHOTOS HERE SHOW THE FRONT OF THE SITE AS SEEN FROM JUPITER, WHERE YOU SEE, UM, THE MIXED USE ELEMENT WHERE YOU HAVE SOME RETAIL AND RES RESTAURANT ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, UH, WITH APARTMENT UNITS ABOVE THAT.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE A PICTURE OF THE DOG PARK AS WELL.
UH, THIS PD DOES HAVE CER CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENT TO A MAXIMUM OF 395 UNITS.
IT LIMITS THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BE 750 SQUARE FEET, AND IT ALSO LIMITS THE DEVELOPMENT TO ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT UNITS.
THE APPLICANT STATED THEY FOUND THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT THERE ARE UNDERUTILIZED OR UNUTILIZED SPACES THAT ARE, UH, ALREADY BUILT OUT, UH, WITHIN THE COMPLEX.
THOSE PARTICULAR SPACES ARE IDENTIFIED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN YOU SEE HERE, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE APPLICANT FOUND AREAS THEY MAY BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE, UH, UNITS AND THE AVAILABILITY FOR UNITS AND AVAILABILITY FOR EFFICIENCIES FOR, UH, POTENTIAL RESIDENTS.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THIS TABLE THAT PROVIDES THE ESTIMATED SQUARE FOOTAGE IN AREAS FOR THOSE, UH, PARTICULAR AREAS WHERE THEY INTEND TO RENOVATE INTO APARTMENT UNITS.
SO BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AND WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND IN THESE UNDERUTILIZED AREAS, THEY CAN EXPECT TO, UM, HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF APARTMENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND THIS MAY BE A RANGE OF EFFICIENCIES TO ONE BEDROOMS, AND IT MAY BE A RANGE OF A SMALL AS 380 MINIMUM SQUARE FEET IN THESE UNITS.
SO IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT I MENTIONED THAT, UH, WILL NEED TO BE, UH, ADDRESSED.
AND LET ME ALSO BACK UP TO ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THE REQUEST.
SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS FOUND, UM, OUR UNDERUTILIZED SPACES ARE AMENITY AREAS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THESE ARE AMENITY AREAS THAT THEY MAY HAVE RECEIVED, UH, THEIR REQUIRED RECREATIONAL AMENITY POINTS.
SO, UM, IN LIEU OF, UH, THE CLUB ROOM, WHAT, WHERE THEY WILL BE REMOVING, UH, THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO INSTEAD ALLOW THE DOG PARK TO COUNT TOWARDS THOSE AMENITY POINTS.
THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY'RE REDUCING, UM, WELLNESS AREAS OR AMENITY ROOMS, THEY MAY BE REDUCING THE SIZE, BUT THEY'LL STILL MEET THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THOSE AREAS.
SO CONTINUE TO MEET THE, UH, POINTS NEEDED FOR THOSE AREAS THAT WILL NOT BE AFFECTED.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THE MINIMUM RA PARKING RATIO AT TWO PARKING SPACES PER APARTMENT UNIT.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF 950 PARKING SPACES ON SITE, AND 830 OF THESE ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE APARTMENT USE, AND THE REMAINDER ARE FOR THE RESTAURANT AND RETAIL AND MIXED USE COMPONENTS.
SO IN SUMMARY, WE HAVE, UH, INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT IN REFERENCE TO THE CURRENT PD, WHERE ALL OTHER SPECIAL CONDITIONS SHALL CONTINUE TO APPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION OF THE 15 UNITS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, SO WE INCLUDED THIS AS A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT SHOULD
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SAY THAT INTEND, WE INTENDED TO SAY THESE 15 UNITS, UM, WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE MAY WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL SPECIFICATION THAT EFFICIENCIES ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THESE 15 UNITS.AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE, AND THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
IF YOU FLIP TO PAGE THREE, THERE'S ABOUT FOUR POINTS, UH, THAT THIS PERSON BROUGHT UP OF CONCERN, UH, WITH THE PROPOSAL.
SO THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TO, FOR YOU TO READ.
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE WE RECEIVED.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TO, UM, WITH A PRESENTATION THAT HAS SOME IMAGES OF THOSE UNUSED AREAS.
AND TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THEIR PLANS FOR RENOVATION.
NATE, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE UNUSED AREAS AND WHAT KIND OF DATA WAS IN SUPPORT OF THAT, BUT THE APPLICANT'S HERE, SO WE'LL TAKE IT UP THERE.
CARRIE, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CONVERSION AREAS.
IF YOU WANNA GO TO THAT SLIDE.
UH, LET'S SEE, LINES THREE AND FOUR.
IS THAT THE SAME PLACE? YOU GOT SECOND STORAGE FLOOR CAGES, SECOND FLOOR STORAGE CAGES.
AND THAT JUST IS MISSING WITH MY HEAD,
SO WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR US.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.
OUR ADDRESS IS 4 9 4 9 WEST GROVE DRIVE, SUITE 100 HUNDRED, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UM, I'VE BEEN WITH TTI FOR 19 YEARS SINCE I GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE.
UM, HAPPY 4TH OF JULY, UH, WEEK, BY THE WAY.
ALL YOU GUYS, UM, NOT QUITE SURE.
OH, SO WE, UH, FIRST KD C'S AN INCREDIBLE GROUP.
UH, WE'RE ABOUT NINE MILES AWAY.
WE HAVE A, A GLORIOUS ONE STORY, UH, CORPORATE WORLD HEADQUARTERS ON THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
UH, IT'S A LOCAL FAMILY OFFICE.
UH, WORKED FOR THE SECOND GENERATION.
UH, WE'VE OWNED BLOCK 24 SINCE 2010.
UH, WE SELF-MANAGE THE PROPERTY.
UH, NO THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT.
UM, I WAS OUT ON ON SITE LAST WEEK WITH SOME OF THE TTIS.
THEY'RE THERE GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING.
UM, AND WE HOLD A LONG-TERM VISION AND APPROACH FOR THIS PROPERTY.
WE THINK THE, IT'S A TREMENDOUS LOCATION.
UH, THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN RICHARDSON AND, AND PARTICULARLY THIS AREA.
UM, THIS IS A LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE EXISTING LOFT UNITS THAT ARE ON SITE THERE, UH, WITH THAT NICE BRICK ACCENT WALL.
AND THAT'S OUR NEW MONUMENT THAT WE PUT IN LAST YEAR.
UH, WE ARE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH SPENDING APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING FROM CHANGING OUT EVERY AIR CONDITIONER ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, WHICH WITH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 400 UNITS PLUS AMENITY SPACES WAS, WAS A BIG CHUNK.
UM, WE'VE, UH, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING LANDSCAPING.
WE'RE GOING BACK, WE'RE PRIMING IT RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE WE'RE PRIMING FOR A FULL PROPERTY PAINT AND GOING BACK THROUGH, WE'RE DOING INTERIOR RENOVATIONS.
WE ARE, ARE, ARE REALLY POT COMMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND THE GUYS THAT, THAT I WORK FOR, THE TAUNTS ACTUALLY STILL OWN AND MANAGE PROPERTIES THEIR DAD BUILT IN THE SIXTIES.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF COMPANY WE ARE.
UM, WE APPROACH EVERYTHING VERY METHODICALLY AND WE REALLY TRY TO, TO MAKE THE BEST PRODUCT OUTTA THAT.
THIS IS A, A QUICK LOOK AT THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.
UM, WE WEREN'T THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER, BUT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT WAS TO RAMP UP FROM A MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL TO A MORE COMMERCIAL FEEL.
UH, THE BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF AUBURN DRIVE, THOSE ARE ALL ONE STORY.
AND THEN ON THE FAR FAR WEST WHERE WE BACK UP TO A, A RESIDENTIAL ALLEY, THERE'S ACTUALLY A BIG BUFFER ZONE THERE, AND THEN TWO STORY BUILDINGS AND IT MOVES AS IT MOVES FURTHER EAST.
YOU GO FROM ONE AND TWO STORY TO THREE STORY, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME TUCK UNDER RETAIL ON BUILDINGS 23 AND 24.
UM, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE THERE WERE, OF THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET, I THINK THERE WERE ONLY THREE TENANTS IN THAT RETAIL SPACE.
UH, MY NAME WAS ON THE SIGN FOR THE, UH, GOOD PART OF THE TIME THERE.
AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY GET IT UP TO WHERE WE'RE ONLY LACKING ONE SPACE THAT WE'VE GOTTA FILL UP NOW.
SO WE'VE BEEN, BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THAT.
UH, UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF A, A QUICK IMAGE OF, OF THE REQUEST.
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DURING THIS PROPERTY AUDIT THAT WE DID, UH, LATE LAST YEAR, WE WENT THROUGH AND, AND WE EVALUATE EVERYTHING LITERALLY, LITERALLY DOWN TO THE DOORKNOBS.YOU CAN ACTUALLY REALLY USE THAT EXPRESSION HERE.
UH, WE FOUND A NUMBER OF SPACES FROM ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS.
UM, THIS ON THE, THE BUILDING PLANS IS CALLED OFFICE.
UH, TALKING TO THE GUYS ON SITE, THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY THINK THAT DESK IS FROM THE ORIGINAL SITE SUPERINTENDENT, THAT HE USED THIS AS A TEMP OFFICE, WHICH IS BELIEVABLE.
UM, IT WAS JUST LABELED BEHIND A, A STORAGE CLOSET.
SO IT STARTED GOING THROUGH IT AND KIND OF FEELING BACK THE ONION.
AND WE FOUND A BUNCH OF SPACES LIKE THIS.
UM, HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF SOME ADDITIONAL SPACES.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UM, STORAGE CAGES THAT ARE ON INTERIOR BUILDING UPPER FLOORS.
THERE'S NO ELEVATORS ON THIS BUILDING, AND IT'S OPEN CAGE STYLE, SO IT'S NOT, WE WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO RENT THESE FOR 20 OR $40, KIND OF GIVING 'EM AWAY.
AND NOBODY WANTS ONE OF THEM ON THE UPPER STORIES.
IT JUST DOESN'T, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL.
UH, THAT'S A LOOK AT ONE OF THE OTHER INTERIOR OFFICES.
UH, SOMETHING THAT DERRICK WAS NICE ENOUGH TO, TO GET A FLOOR PLAN OF THAT I THINK WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THIS AREA ABOVE A FITNESS CENTER WHERE THERE WAS A CONFERENCE ROOM AND THEN A FLEX SPACE THAT WE'RE PUTTING NEXT TO IT THAT HAD NEVER BEEN UTILIZED OR, OR USED FOR ANYTHING.
AND THEN THAT'S A SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM THAT'S ABOVE OUR LEASING OFFICE, BUT TO GET TO IT, YOU'D HAVE TO WALK OUTSIDE AROUND THE PARKING LOT, AROUND A LARGE BUILDING UP A BREEZEWAY AND THEN INTO A DOOR.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS A, A LOOK AT THE, THE OVERALL SITE PLAN AND, AND TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL AREAS THAT WE'RE, UH, HOPING TO BE ABLE TO CONVERT INTO, YOU KNOW, CLASS A RESIDENCES.
UM, THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DUPLICATION ON BUILDING FIVE IS A, A GOOD QUESTION.
THERE, THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, AND THEY'RE ACROSS THE HALL FROM EACH OTHER.
THAT'S WHY IT'S, UH, BUILDING.
YEAH, BUILDING 5, 405 SQUARE FEET.
BUILDING FIVE, FOUR OH SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO ALL OF THE PROPOSED WORK IS UNDER EXISTING ROOF ABOVE EXISTING SLAB.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PARKING NEEDS.
WE'RE WELL OVER TWO POINT, UH OH.
UH, EVEN WITH THIS INCREASE TO THE MAXIMUM THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, NO EXTERIOR WORK, ALL THESE SPACES ARE ALREADY SHEET ROCKED ON THE INSIDE.
WE WOULD NEED TO DEMO THE SHEET ROCK TO PUT MEP IN AND FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A RETAIL BUILD OUT.
UM, AND THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE IN, IN ANOTHER MARKET, UH, RECENTLY WHERE WE WENT THROUGH AND ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, UM, I WAS TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT IS FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT AND FROM STAFF'S EXPERIENCE WITH THE, THE HYATT HOUSE CONVERSION, WE LEARNED THAT WE NEED TO BUILD IN A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY.
SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT 380 MINIMUM WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE AT, AT 400, BUT, AND ONCE YOU GET INTO IT, THERE'S GONNA BE A STRUCTURAL BEAM SOMEWHERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A HEADER, THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T MESS WITH.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IT.
SO I JUST, I WANTED TO, TO KINDA RECAP, UM, WE'D LIKE TO CONVERT SOME VACANT, UNUSED SPACE, UH, INTO CLASS.
A RESIDENTIAL VACANT SPACE IN GENERAL IS, IS BAD AND UNDERUTILIZED SPACE, UH, IS, IS BAD.
UH, RICHARDSON'S VERY DESIRABLE, WILL MAKE REALLY, REALLY NICE UNITS AND GIVING US THE ABILITY TO ADD SOME EFFICIENCIES INTO THIS OVERALL MIX THAT'S EXISTING.
ALMOST 400 UNITS WILL ALLOW US TO OFFER A, A CLASS, A REALLY, REALLY NICE UNIT AT A REDUCED PRICE TO OUR LOWEST PRICE CURRENTLY GIVING SOMEBODY THE ABILITY TO, TO MOVE INTO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THE OTHER PROPERTY WHERE WE RECENTLY COMPLETED THIS, WE BUILT OUT ABOUT 65 UNITS IN VACANT RETAIL DOWN IN ROUND ROCK.
WE PUT IN 17 EFFICIENCY UNITS AND THAT, AND THEY WOUND UP BEING SOME OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL UNITS FOR PEOPLE.
UH, THEY HAD A LOT OF, UH, TELECOMMUTE TYPE PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY USING THAT OR USING IT AS A SECOND HOME IF THEY'VE GOT MAYBE A JOB IN CALIFORNIA AND THEN THEY'RE TRAVELING HERE FOR TELECOM, OR IN THAT CASE, DELL, WE WERE NEXT TO THE DELL CAMPUS.
UH, WE WANT TO ALLOW EFFICIENCIES AND EXISTING ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS THAT ARE ALREADY ALLOWED.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PRECLUDE AND SAY ONLY EFFICIENCIES OR ONLY EFFICIENCIES IN ONE BEDROOMS. WE JUST, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
THAT'S JUST ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE, THE NOTES, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, SO THE ONLY PLACE YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO THE EFFICIENCIES IS ON THE EXTRA 15 UNITS THOUGH, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY, ANYTHING ELSE.
HOW MANY, UM, WHAT'S SORT OF YOUR
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RATIO OF ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM TODAY? DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY THREES ON SITE.UH, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ZONING.
UM, I THINK MY GUESS WOULD BE 65% ONES AND THE REST WOULD BE TWOS.
IS THAT OKAY? UM, ALL OF THIS, WELL, UM, ALL OF THESE CHANGES WOULD BE JUST IN THE, IN THE APARTMENT PART, NOT THE, THE, UH, RETAIL.
AND I THINK, I THINK IN OUR PACKET IT MENTIONED YOU HAD A OCCUPANTS RATE OF AROUND 90% OR BETTER.
THAT IT'S EXTREMELY DESIRABLE TO LIVE THERE.
AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GET IS, MAN, I WISH YOU HAD SOME EFFICIENCY UNITS BECAUSE AT, YOU KNOW, $2 A SQUARE FOOT, 750 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM, YOU'RE STARTING AT 1450, $1,500.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET SOME SMALLER UNITS, WE CAN OFFER THAT AT CLASS A EXPERIENCE AT A LOWER, YOU KNOW, A BETTER PRICE.
HOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU CHARACTERIZE CLASS A? CLASS A, CLASS A? YEAH.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, CUSTOM WOOD CABINETRY.
WE WOULD DO GRANITE TOPS, UH, FOR ANYTHING WITH A SOLID SURFACE.
WE'D PUT IN WOOD LOOK FLOORING, UH, STAINLESS STEEL APPLIANCES, DOUBLE DOOR WHERE WE CAN FIT 'EM, THE EFFICIENCIES.
UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T FIT 'EM.
UM, CLASS A, UH, FIXTURES, UH, WE DO BUILT IN SHOWER ENCLOSURES.
UH, WE'VE, OUR LAST TWO PROJECTS IN, IN THIS MAR IN IN DFW HAVE BOTH BEEN, UH, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT OF THE YEAR FOR THE MC SAM MOORE, WHICH IS THE DALLAS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
SO THE, SOMETHING THAT I LOVE ABOUT MY JOB IS WHEN I BUILD FOR THE TAUNTS, THEY'RE BUILDING SOMETHING THEY WANT TO OWN FOREVER.
SO WE GET TO BUILD A LITTLE BETTER MOUSETRAP.
WE GET TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY ON THE INTERIOR FIT OUT.
I HAPPEN TO LIVE NOT FAR FROM, FROM BLOCK 24 AND, UH, UM, HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
UH, IT LOOKS VERY IMPRESSIVE, UH, BUT I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE RETAIL ON THE EAST SIDE.
DO YOU HAVE SIMILAR KIND OF OCCUPANCY RATE OVER THERE? HAVE YOU, HAS THAT BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL? THE, THE RETAIL, UM, IS NOW ALL OCCUPIED EXCEPT FOR ONE BAY, BUT THAT ONE BAY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, WE HAD TO MAKE A SHIFT WHEN WE BOUGHT IT IN 2010 AND MAKE IT MORE DESTINATION RETAIL.
UH, WE DO, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE RESTAURANTS THERE, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CREATING A GOOD MIX.
BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, WE'VE GOT AN INSURANCE, UH, AGENT.
WE HAVE A DOCTOR, WE HAVE A VET, UH, VETERINARY CLINIC.
WE HAVE A REHABILITATION, UH, CLINIC.
UM, SO YEAH, WE HAVE A BARBER, THE BARBER'S PRETTY RECENT.
WE HAVE A PIZZA PLACE, AND THEN WE HAVE A MAGIC CUP, WHICH IS LIKE A BOBO TEA TYPE THING.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT ONE VACANT SPOT.
I DON'T, OH, I'M MISSING, UM, COMIC ASYLUM.
UH, WE HAVE A COMIC BOOK VENDOR THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET IN GARLAND, AND I ACTUALLY STARTED TALKING TO HIM BACK IN 2011 WHEN WE WERE PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.
WE WERE ABLE TO CUT A DEAL, AND HE'S, HE'S FANTASTIC.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE INTO COMICS, BUT THAT IS THE PLACE TO GO.
THEY, HE DOES, UH, PARTIES IN THERE WHERE THEY PLAY DIFFERENT GAMES WITH EACH OTHER, UH, I THINK EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT.
AND IT'S, IT'S A REALLY IMPRESSIVE BUSINESS.
HE'S BEEN THERE FOR, I GUESS IT'S 15 YEARS NOW.
NATE, DID YOU SAY COMICS? COMICS, COMIC ASYLUM AS IN COMIC BOOKS, YES, SIR.
UM, I JUST HAD A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE, UM, REPLACING THE HVAC IN ALL THE UNITS? YES, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY DONE IT.
WERE THOSE MINI SPLITS OR WERE THEY THE OTHER? UH, YES, THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALL MINI SPLITS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, NOT THE, THE RETAIL.
OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER CLOSING REMARKS? NO, NO.
IT'S BEEN, UH, WONDERFUL WORKING WITH STAFF THAT I'VE BEEN FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO ANYONE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, UH, YOU CAN STEP UP TO THE PODIUM NOW.
AGAIN, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YOU SAID NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU SAY?
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YEAH.MY NAME IS RANDY PULLINS, AND, UH, I LIVE AT, UH, 2000 EAST ARAPAHOE ROAD.
AND, UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE GENTLEMAN HERE.
UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ANNUAL INSPECTIONS THAT YOU, WELL, YOU JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
WELL, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ANNUAL INSPECTIONS.
WE, WE CAN, WE CAN ASK HIM AND, UM, TELL US YOUR CONCERNS AND PERHAPS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICATION.
I MEAN, UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE STARTING ANOTHER JOB UNTIL THEY CAN ACTUALLY FIX THE THINGS THAT THE CITY TOLD THEM TO DO, UH, TWO YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE WITH THE CITY INSPECTIONS.
UM, SO THE CITY'S NOT ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB.
ALSO, UM, THAT WOULD BE WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, DON'T BE CONFUSED BY THE LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S JUST ALL A, A CURB APPEAL.
UM, I COULD SHOW PICTURES JUST RIGHT BEFORE I, I CAME HERE, JUST HOW DILAPIDATED SOME OF THE, THE AREA IS.
IF HE WAS OUT THERE LAST WEEK, HE WOULD'VE ACTUALLY SEEN SOME STUFF DRY ROTTED WOOD.
UM, I MEAN, THAT COULD JUST GO ON.
THE WHOLE AREA IS JUST, UH, EXTENDING WATER BY BUILDING FIVE.
IT'S A HEALTH HAZARD NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO ACTUALLY GET ON BOARD AND NOT BE SO COMPLACENT AND THAT INCLUDES THE CITY.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? YEAH, YOU CAN JUST STEP UP TO THE MIC AND, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
I HAVE INVESTMENT PROPERTY OF DUPLEX, AND I SEEN THE DETERIORATION OF THIS APARTMENTS AND THIS GENTLEMAN TALKING, HE PUTS UP, UH, LUXURY APARTMENTS.
THIS IS A PLACE OF CRIME AND PROSTITUTION.
AND WHEN I THINK WHAT IMPROVEMENT REALLY SHOULD BE DONE IS TO PUT A GATE AROUND THIS BLOCK, THIS DIRTY BLOCK.
THIS IS MY INPUT OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND YOU NEED A CLARIFICATION ON HIS ADDRESS THERE? I HAVE IT.
BY ANY CHANCE WAS, WAS EITHER EITHER ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, UH, THE, UH, WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE HAD? NO.
WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, WRITTEN, UM, CORRESPONDENCE IN OPPOSITION.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? UH, SO ADAM, YOU DO HAVE A CHANCE FOR, UH, REBUTTAL ON, UH, ANY OF THE COMMENTS MADE? NO.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE LANDSCAPING, HE, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WE STARTED AT THE FRONT, BUT, UH, WE'RE PRIMING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW FOR ANNUAL PAINT OR, UH, IT'S, WE'RE ON A SEVEN YEAR, UM, TURN FOR PAINTS.
THAT'S WHEN WE GO THROUGH REPAINT EVERYTHING.
WE DON'T REPLACE THE LANDSCAPING UP AGAINST THE BUILDINGS UNTIL AFTER PAINT BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO THAT'S A, JUST A FUNCTION OF SEQUENCING.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THE LANDSCAPING'S STARTING FROM THE FRONT AND THEN COMING BACK THROUGH EVERYTHING SO THAT THERE IS A PLAN TO, TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THAT.
BUT, UM, BOTH THESE GENTLEMEN, I, I GAVE THEM MY CARD.
UH, I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.
UH, PARTIC YOU KNOW, I, I'M A DETAILS GUY, GIMME THE DETAILS AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT ANYTHING BAD OR NEFARIOUS HAPPENING IN THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR HIM, UH, FOR, UM, MR. ANDERSON, I'M PROBABLY BUTCHERING YOUR LAST NAME, ANDERSON OR, UH, STAFF.
MY QUESTION IS, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY, ISN'T THERE A CODE RELATED TO LANDSCAPE, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN, UH, PERCENTAGE OR A CERTAIN, UH, NUMBER OF, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE THAT'S REQUIRED? YES, SIR.
THERE IS, UH, THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF LANDSCAPING, UH, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TREES PER LINEAL, STREET FRONTAGE,
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UH, SCREENING OF PARKING AREAS.SO ALL THOSE, UH, LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, EARNER CODE, THEY'RE ALSO ENFORCED BY OUR, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT, BY CODE ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE ON THESE BUILDINGS.
UH, THESE APARTMENTS TYPICALLY GO THROUGH A EVERY OTHER YEAR INSPECTION, OR THEY'RE INSPECTED BASE ON COMPLAINT BASES AS WELL.
BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER AND, AND, AND BE INSPECTED.
DO YOU OR DO THE APPLICANT, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY IN CODE COMPLIANCE ON YOUR RATIOS TO LANDSCAPING? UH, LATE LAST YEAR, WE SUBMITTED OUR ENHANCED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THE CITY AND WENT THROUGH AN APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE UPGRADES THAT WE'RE NOW MAKING.
SO WE'RE MIDWAY THROUGH, UH, DOING THAT.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, NUMBER OF TREES RIGHT NOW, I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT WE, WE HAD A PLAN, WE PUT IT TOGETHER, WE SUBMITTED IT, WE MET WITH THE CITY SEVERAL TIMES, AND WE'RE NOW IMPLEMENTING EXECUTING ON THAT PLAN.
THE, UH, UM, MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE HERE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT STANDING WATER.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, I, I, I ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I LIKE TO GET THE EXACT LOCATION I WAS OUT THERE, UH, LAST WEEK.
AS I SAID, UM, WE HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND AND DOING, UM, RETAINING WALLS AND ADDING IN LANDSCAPE DRAINS.
UH, WE DID THE COURTYARD IN FRONT OF 22, 2 WEEKS AGO.
UM, AND YEAH, IF THERE'S A, A STANDING WATER ISSUE, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
MAY I ASK JUST SOMETHING, I'M SORRY.
THIS IS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAINING, WATERS A HEALTH ISSUE AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, SO ON AUBURN, THIS GENTLEMAN ON, WELL, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AGAIN.
SORRY, I, I JUST, WE JUST WANNA HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD AND SO THE AUDIENCE AND EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU.
IT JUST, UM, THIS GENTLEMAN HERE WAS, I GUESS HE LIVES ON AUBURN, AND, UM, THERE WAS STANDING WATER THAT WAS REPORTED, UM, AND IT HAD BEEN THERE FOR OVER A MONTH.
AND THE CITY DIDN'T WANNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UH, SO I HAD TO PUSH THE ISSUE.
UM, I ACTUALLY WENT AROUND, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY TALK TO THIS GENTLEMAN, BUT I WAS ASKING PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE STANDING WATER AND, AND THE
UM, I HAD TO ACTUALLY COME TO THE CITY AND, AND SAY SOMETHING, UM, WITH THE STANDING WATER.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, BEFORE I ACTUALLY CAME IN HERE ON EITHER SIDE, I TOOK A PICTURE, YOU GUYS HAVE AN IRRIGATION LEAK.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT WANNA TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, THAT'S STANDING WATER ON TOP OF THAT.
UM, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE LIVING AROUND AND I, I, I LIVED THERE, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR SIX YEARS.
SO THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT LANDSCAPING, I GOT PICTURES.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS TAKING PICTURES.
SO, AND ABOUT THE CITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I'LL SHOW YOU EVERYBODY THAT'S COMPLACENT.
I, WE CAN OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS AND GO THERE.
LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT AND JUST MAKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
AND, AND I JUST, NOT TO SHOOT THE MESSENGER, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE STARTING ANY KIND OF PROJECT UNTIL THEY CAN FINISH WHAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TOLD TO DO ON THIS ANNUAL INSPECTION ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
YOU CAN'T PULL IT NOW BECAUSE THEY'VE ACTUALLY TOOK IT, TAKEN IT DOWN FROM THE RICHARDSON WEBSITE.
BUT IT USED TO SHOW, UM, BACK IN 2022, THEY SHOWED THEM THINGS THAT WERE BASICALLY REPEATED THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, LIKE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BESIDES, IT'S THE LANDSCAPING.
SO, UM, THE MOSQUITOES ARE VERY BAD.
I WISH I COULD SHOW YOU THE PICTURES BEFORE I CAME HERE.
I TOOK JUST TO SHOW YOU, BUT THANK YOU.
SAM, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? UH, NO SIR.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? UH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT EVERYBODY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN, UH, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, THANK YOU MR. KELLER.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'LL ENTERTAIN IT, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL SECOND, WE GOT A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY COMMENTS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UM, I, I THINK, UM, JUST, UM, AGAIN, IF, IF, UH, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION THAT THE, UM, UH, I, I DON'T WANT TO CUT ANYBODY OFF.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE?
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NO.UM, WELL, I WOULD, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UM, ZONING FILE 24 DASH 13 AS PRESENTED WITH THE FILING, UH, MODIFICATION THAT ON CONDITION TWO A, IT SPECIFIED THAT THAT'S, UM, JUST FOR THOSE 15 UNITS COULD BE EFFICIENCIES.
AND I, I I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE CORRECT WORDING OR UNDER, UNDER SEVEN, UNDER 380 PEOPLE OR, YEAH, YEAH.
BUT THE, BUT THE, THE CURRENT SAYS IT HAS TO BE SEVEN 50, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO HAVE ALSO SOME VERBIAGE IN THERE ABOUT IT CAN BE, I BELIEVE THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE CONCEPT PLAN.
COULD YOU PULL THE CONDITIONS BACK UP AGAIN? COULD I RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO THE COMMISSION? IS THAT MAYBE WE DON'T ATTACH A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SIMPLY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO US WITH THE TRELLIS, WITH THE HYATT, IN THAT THERE MAY BE AN INSTANCE WHERE, WHERE WE HAVE A PARTITION WALL THAT CAN'T BE MOVED FOR SOME REASON, AND THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BEYOND THE, THE, THE, THE NUMBER THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
UH, WHAT TIES REALLY THE APPLICANT DOWN IS, IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS.
SO HE CAN HAVE 15 EFFICIENCIES, OR HE CAN HAVE SEVEN TO ONE AND EIGHT OF, AND EIGHT EFFICIENCIES.
AS LONG AS HE DOESN'T EXCEED THAT, THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER OF 15 UNITS.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY, MY SUGGESTION TO THE COMMISSION.
WELL, JUST, MY QUESTION IS, IS IN THE SPECIAL IN THE ORDINANCE, 3, 3, 7, 3, IS THERE DICTATED A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE? AND IF THAT IS, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE AN ALLOWANCE FOR LESSER SQUARE FOOTAGE.
MAYBE WHAT YOU CAN DO IS NOT APPLY A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE ADDITIONAL 15 UNITS.
UH, WELL, YOU, YOU RAISED A GOOD POINT.
UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THIS CLEAR.
SO I THINK THE REQUEST WAS TO REVISE THE MINI MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 750 TO 400 SQUARE FEET.
I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTING THAT.
NO, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE ASKED FOR THAT, BUT I JUST KNOW BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS, WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, PROJECT NOT TO SET A MINIMUM FOR THE FIF FOR THE ADDITIONAL 15 UNITS.
SO THE CURRENT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE EXISTING, UH, THE EXISTING 395 UNITS WOULD REMAIN AT A MINIMUM OF WHATEVER THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS.
UM, AND AGAIN, I GUESS JUST THIS IS THE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE ON THE CORRECTION TO THIS TWO, TWO A, UM, WHEN YOU SAY, UM, I THINK YOU HAD SUGGESTED THAT THE A TWO A SAY THE MAXIMUM 15 ADDITIONAL UNITS SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF ORDINANCE 33 73.
YOU COULD DO THAT, WHICH MEANS THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD NOT APPLY TO THOSE.
UM, AND JUST TO, TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, CLEAR.
SO TWO A, A MAXIMUM 15 ADDITIONAL UNITS SHOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE BUILDINGS AS DEPICTED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THESE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF ORDINANCE 33 73 AND MAY INCLUDE EFFICIENCIES.
THAT'S MY MOTION TO, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESENTED WITH THAT MODIFICATION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL OPPOSED, UH, ONE IN OPPOSITION.
UH, COMMISSIONER BEACH, IT'S APPROVED.
[4. ZF 24-14 Special Permit – Children are Heroes: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Permit for a childcare center located within an existing 1,672-square foot building on a 0.48-acre lot currently zoned Main Street/Central Expressway PD Planned Development (Main Street Sub-District) located at 331 E. Polk St, north of Polk St, east of S. Greenville Ave and west of Abrams Rd. Owner: Aysha Corp. Staff: Derica Peters.]
ON THE AGENDA IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 14.THIS SPECIAL PERMIT FOR CHILDREN ARE HEROES, HEROES LEARNING CENTER.
AND MS. PETERS, THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 331 EAST POLK STREET, WHICH IS LOCATED BETWEEN SOUTH GREENVILLE AVENUE AND ABRAMS ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AS PART OF THE MAIN STREET SUBDISTRICT OF THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS AND TO THE NORTH AND WEST ARE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
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UH, THIS PROPERTY HAS OPERATED AS A DAYCARE AND AS A SCHOOL, UH, EVER SINCE ITS FIRST RECEIVED A SPECIAL PERMIT IN 1967.AND ALSO THE PROPERTY, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF TWO LOTS.
AND IT HAS BEEN SHOWN IN, UH, THE HISTORICAL RECORDS THAT BOTH OF THESE LOTS HAVE BEEN OWNED BY THE SAME OWNERSHIP SINCE THAT TIME AND HAVE OPERATED AS ONE, UH, UNIT SINCE THAT TIME.
SO THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE PROPERTY IS SEEN, UH, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SOUTH, THE BUILDING WHERE THE CHILDCARE CENTER IS GOING TO BE LOCATED AS THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UH, THIS PHOTO LOOKING TO THE SOUTH SHOWS THE REAR OF THAT BUILDING WHERE THERE'S, UM, AN EXISTING CONCRETE PLAY PAD AND A GRASSY AREA WHERE YOU SEE THERE'S ALSO SOME, UH, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT STILL LOCATED BACK THERE.
THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOL THAT OPERATED OUT OF THIS LOCATION.
THIS PHOTO IS A SCENE FROM THE APARTMENTS TO THE WEST, AND THEN IN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE AN SIX FOOT TALL CONCRETE SCREENING WALL THAT SEPARATES THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL USES AROUND IT.
UM, SO THIS SITE DID HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT THAT ALLOWED FOR A DAYCARE OR CHILDCARE CENTER AND A PRIVATE SCHOOL, AND IT HAS OPERATED AS IN ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THE TWO SINCE THAT TIME.
UH, HOWEVER, IN, UH, THE MOST RECENT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WE REFLECT A PRIVATE SCHOOL OPERATING OUT OF THERE NO LONGER A CHILDCARE CENTER.
ALSO, WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED AS PART OF THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WE REPEALED THE SPECIAL PERMITS THAT APPLIED TO, UH, NON-CONFORMING USES.
SO WITH THE CURRENT CODE TODAY, A DAYCARE OR A CHILDCARE CENTER OR A PRIVATE SCHOOL IS REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIAL PERMIT BEFORE THEY OPEN.
UH, THAT IS WHY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER AT THIS LOCATION ON THE, IN THE BUILDING LOCATED ON TRACK FIVE, THIS BUILDING IS 1600 SQUARE FEET.
THE LOT, UH, ON TRACK FIVE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.2 ACRES.
AND TOGETHER THESE PROPERTIES MAKE UP ABOUT 0.4 ACRES.
THERE IS EIGHT PARKING SPACES PROVIDED ON SITE IN TOTAL, AND THAT'S FOUR ON ONE SIDE AND FOUR ON THE OTHER.
THE CHILDCARE CENTER WILL BE LIMITED TO 34 STUDENTS.
IT WILL SERVE STUDENTS TWO AND A HALF TO 12 YEARS OLD.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
UH, THIS IS A CORRECTION HERE, SORRY, THE HOURS OF OPERATION SHOULD SAY HERE, SIX 30 TO 5:00 PM THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A CIRCULATION PLAN, UM, AND THEY'VE ALSO INFORMED US ABOUT AN APP THAT THEY USE AND THIS, THAT THEIR PARENTS WILL USE, UH, THAT HELP WITH DROP OFF AND PICK UP AND ALLOW THEM TO, UH, MANAGE THAT THROUGH THAT MOBILE CHECK-IN SYSTEM.
WHAT YOU SEE, UH, AS, UH, FOUND IN THE CIRCULATION PLAN, WE SHOW HERE WITH THE RED ARROWS, PARENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO ENTER THE SITE ON THE WEST DRIVEWAY.
THIS WILL BE A ONE-WAY DRIVE AISLE AND WILL BE STRIPED THAT WAY.
PARENTS WILL BE ASKED TO DRIVE THROUGH AND EITHER PARK THEIR CAR OR REMAIN IN THE QUEUE, UM, FOR A STAFF MEMBER TO COME AND PICK UP THE CHILD FROM THE VEHICLE AND ESCORT THEM TO THE DOOR.
THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY STAFF REVIEWED THE CIRCULATION PLAN.
THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT WHEN STUDENTS ARE EXITING THE VEHICLE FROM THIS Q LINE, THAT THEY EXIT FROM THE INTERIOR, WHICH IS BEHIND THE DRIVER'S SIDE DOOR.
SO THE DRIVER'S SIDE, SOMETHING I'LL ALSO BRING ATTENTION TO IS THE PLAYGROUND IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE BUILDING IS FENCED BY AN EIGHT FOOT TALL WOODEN FENCE ON EACH SIDE, AND THEN A SIX FOOT TALL CONCRETE SCREENING WALL IN THE BACK.
UH, IT WAS NEVER, UH, IT HAS BEEN PLATTED AS TWO LOTS.
UH, HOWEVER, BECAUSE SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE DAYCARE CENTER WILL OCCUR ON BOTH WATTS, AND THAT'S THE, UH, USING THE DRIVEWAY AND USING THE PARKING, WE HAVE INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT THESE PROPERTIES BE PLATTED AS ONE, SO THAT IF THEY WERE TO BE SOLD TO ANOTHER OWNERSHIP, THE CHILDCARE CENTER WILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THOSE, UH, TO USE, TO USE THAT PARKING AND USE THAT DRIVEWAY THE APPLICANT HAS.
UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT SUGGESTED CONDITION, THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED THAT WE INSTEAD ALLOW AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, AND WE ARE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT, UM, TO SEE IF THAT WOULD, UH, PROVIDE THAT GUARANTEE.
BUT WE BELIEVE A RE PLATTING IS THE BEST METHOD TO GUARANTEE THAT.
UM, AND THAT MAY, THAT MAY ALSO INCLUDE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS ON THAT REPL,
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OR IT CAN BE JUST REPLANTING THE LOTS AS ONE.SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANNA DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT TONIGHT.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED FEW, UH, SIGNATURES FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL.
SO THEY PROVIDED TONIGHT, UH, THREE SIGNATURES FROM SURROUNDING BUSINESS OWNERS AND ONE SIGNATURE FROM A NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE IN, UH, RESPONSE TO THIS PROPOSAL.
SO TO SUMMARIZE THE REQUEST, THE SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE APPLICANT.
IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 34 CHILDREN ON SITE, WHICH CORRESPONDS WITH WHAT THE STATE OF TEXAS WOULD ALLOW AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, AND ALSO WE HAVE SHOWN A CONDITION HERE INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE REPLANTED INTO ONE LOT, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
WOULD THE NECESSARY REPLATING COME BEFORE US SEPARATELY, OR WOULD, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THAT? THAT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PLAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SIGNED OFF BY STAFF.
IT PROBABLY WON'T COME TO THIS, THIS COMMITTEE.
WE'D ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ADDRESS IS 5,500 MCKINNEY PLACE DRIVE, MCKINNEY, TEXAS.
SO I WROTE, I'M JUST GONNA READ OFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE LEARNING CENTER.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A PLACE THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY HAS A HISTORY OF BEING A LEARNING CENTER IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, WHICH IS AWESOME BECAUSE WE ARE RECEIVING THE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, VERY WELCOMING.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE TO SOLVE A ISSUE.
UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S IN TEXAS IS DALLAS, TEXAS IS EXPERIENCING A CHILDCARE CRISIS, UM, WITH THE NEED OF 93 3000 CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE A CAPACITY FOR 35,000.
SO OUR CENTER IS TO AIM THIS DISPARITY BY PROVIDING QUALITY CARE, THEREFORE COMBATING THE ESTIMATED YEARLY 9 BILLION STATE LAWS DUE TO CHILDCARE CHALLENGES.
SO WITH US PROVIDING GOOD CHILDCARE IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THE APARTMENTS AND THE MULTI-FAMILIES COMING UP, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE, UM, PROPERTY, UM, IS OCCUPIED AS WELL BY THE DESSERT LAB, UM, ICE CREAM SHOP.
SO OUR STAFF WILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT AND THE PARKING SPACES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6:30 AM TO 5:00 PM UM, ONCE 5:00 PM DOES, UM, DOES HIT, THE ICE CREAM SHOP OPENS, AND THEY SLOWLY GET TRAFFIC AROUND 6:00 PM.
UM, SO I'M VERY CONFIDENT WITH THE PARKING AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S SAFE.
UM, WE WILL USE A CRM SYSTEM, UM, WHICH IS A APP FOR CHILDCARE, AND THAT WILL ALLOW FOR WHEN PARENTS ARE IN THE RADIUS, UH, FOR THE GPS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK THEIR STUDENT IN AND OUT.
AND THAT WILL ALLOW FOR A STAFF MEMBER TO ALWAYS BE OUTSIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT THE BUILDING SAFELY.
AND IT'S NOT, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME IN IF THEY DON'T WANT, AND IT'S KEEPING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
UM, ALSO I WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT.
UM, YEAH, SO WE, WE PLAN TO HAVE A STAGGERED SCHEDULE, UH, FOR DROP OFF IN PICKUPS.
SO THE SCHEDULES FOR DROP OFFS WILL BE SIX 30.
UH, TYPICALLY THE END TIME WILL BE 8:30 AM UNLESS IT'S A DOCTOR'S NOTE.
UM, AND THAT WAY IT'LL ALLOW US TO HAVE A STAGGERED TIME.
AND THEN PICKUPS WILL BEGIN AT 3:00 PM TO 5:00 PM AND THAT AS WELL WILL HELP WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL
UH, DO YOU HAVE PRIOR EXPERIENCE IN, IN THIS BUSINESS, EITHER HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT YOU COULD BRIEFLY MENTION?
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YES.UH, SO I ACTUALLY PREVIOUSLY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE LEARNING CENTER.
UM, SO I ACTUALLY WENT TO COLLEGE FOR IT, DID MY INTERNSHIP, UM, AND THEN ALSO I WAS HERE, UM, I THINK IT WAS 20 2022, UM, AS WELL WITH DOING A LEARNING CENTER.
UM, THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS THE OWNER DID NOT WANNA INVEST THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BRING IT UP TO CODE.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE CHILDCARE CENTER.
UM, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFETY, UM, AS WELL AS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND OUR MAIN FOCUS IS TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR PARENTS TO HAVE A PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THEIR CHILDREN SO THAT THEY CAN, CAN RETURN BACK TO THE WORKPLACE.
UM, AS WELL AS THE FOCUS FOR THE LEARNING CENTER IS TO, UM, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEIR, UM, LOWEST SCORE IS IN LITERACY AS WELL AS MATH.
SO THAT IS THE MAIN FOCUS TO GET THEM PREPARED SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF A DAYCARE CENTER, THEY THINK IT'S BABYSITTING, BUT IT'S REALLY TO PREPARE THEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, GO INTO THE LEARNING SCHOOLS, THE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND SUCCEED.
UM, SO THAT IS LIKE MY BACKGROUND IS EDUCATION AND JUST REALLY FOCUSING ON WHAT'S NEEDED HERE IN TEXAS AND HOW I COULD BE ASSISTANT.
WHEN YOU REACH YOUR, UH, YOUR FULL, UH, 34 CHILDREN, HOW, HOW MANY, UH MM-HMM.
IN, IN THE BUILDING WITH THEM.
UH, SO IT'LL BE UP TO 34 CHILDREN, UH, FOR THE MAX.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD JUST TAKE, UH, THREE, WELL, THE RATIO IS BECAUSE I'M DOING TWO AND A HALF THROUGH 12, SO THE RATIO IS 15 TO ONE OR 18 TO ONE, BUT THAT'S, I BELIEVE THAT'S JUST TOO MANY FOR, UH, ONE PERSON,
UM, SO WE'RE DOING 10 TO ONE, SO IT WOULD BE THREE TEACHERS.
I'M, UH, I'M KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED IN A LOT OF AREAS.
UH, BUT I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT PARKING.
BUT, BUT WHEN THEY WEREN'T, UM, AND THEY DID DAYCARE, UM, YOU ALWAYS HAD SITUATIONS WHERE THERE WERE TWO OR THREE OR FIVE OR 12 RECALCITRANTS THAT EVERYBODY'S SUPPOSED TO BE OUTTA HERE BY FIVE.
BUT AT SIX 30,
AND GIVEN THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF PARKING AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S ANOTHER BUSINESS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, HOW, HOW DO YOU INTEND TO ADDRESS THAT TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN RELINQUISH THOSE SPACES AT THE TIME? MM-HMM.
SO WITH THE, UH, LEARNING CENTER, AND I HAVE A CHILD AS WELL, UM, THAT'S 17, HE'S OLDER NOW, BUT, UM, I KNOW IN THOSE TIMES WITH TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, UH, SO WE'RE, SO HOW I PLAN TO DO IT IS AT ENROLLMENT IS SEE THEIR WORK SCHEDULE, AND THAT WAY I CAN MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WORKING A SEVEN TO FOUR, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT I'M PUTTING THAT, TAKING THOSE TIMES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO RUN OVER.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE IT IN THE POLICY TO WHERE IT'S A STRICT POLICY.
SO IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE MINUTE LATE, YOU'RE GETTING CHARGED A DOLLAR PER MINUTE.
SO THAT WAY IT MAKES THEM NOT WANT TO BE LATE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, E EVEN IF YOU PAY THE FEES, IF IT'S REPETITIVE, THEN UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE YOU.
UM, AND DIDN'T YOU RUN INTO A SITUATION WITH A LACK OF PARKING THERE ALSO? UM, WITH THE COUNCIL, YES.
BUT I WAS ABLE TO, UM, WORK WITH THE COUNCIL.
THE, UM, THE MAIN PROBLEM WAS THE ROOFING HAD FELL IN, SO IT WAS LIKE BUILDING STRUCTURE ISSUES AND, UM, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANNA PUT THE MONEY INTO, INTO IT.
I, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT YOU GOT DENIED BY THE COUNCIL BASED ON NOPE.
I, I GOT APPROVED, SO I HAD TO JUST, SO I WAS NEXT TO CROSSBAR.
UM, SO WE JUST MADE THE AGREEMENT YEAH.
THAT, UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE CLOSED DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS.
SO THAT'S HOW I HAD TO DO THAT.
SO THIS, THIS SEEMS TO HAVE, FROM MY MEMORY, LESS PARKING THAN WHAT YOU HAD AT HAMPSHIRE, UM, UM, PROPOSED.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, BUT THAT WAS MORE A CAPACITY OF KIDS.
85 OR 90 WERE APPROVED AT THAT LOCATION.
IT SEEMED TO BE A LOT MORE PARKING, BUT, MM-HMM.
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YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.AND THEN IT WASN'T A ROUNDABOUT, SO THIS IS A ROUNDABOUT, SO IT ALLOWS THE TRAFFIC TO FLOW.
THEN YOU HAD TO BACK, BACK OUT.
UM, OH, I DID WANNA, UM, INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT I FORGOT AS WELL.
SO, UM, ME AND, UH, ASIA CORPORATION.
SO, UM, WE WERE, WE HAD SIGNED FOR A EASEMENT AGREEMENT, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, IT IS JUST LIKE SHE STATED, JUST DO IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY DO PLAN ON SELLING THAT I'LL HAVE ACCESS.
UM, AND SO WE JUST WROTE AN AGREEMENT AND I HOPE THAT'S SUFFICIENT, JUST, YOU KNOW, TO DOCUMENT THAT IN THE FUTURE, IN CASE THEN I WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS AND THEN THAT WAY THAT IT WILL, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR THEM TO KEEP IT THE SAME IS CHILDREN, OUR HEROES LEARNING SCENARIO.
IS THAT A FRANCHISE OR IS THAT JUST NO, BUT I HOPE SO.
THAT'S YOUR, YOUR OWN BUSINESS
YOU WANNA TURN IT INTO THAT TRADEMARK? SO THAT IS THE GOAL.
SO IT'S NOT A NATIONAL, UH, NOT YET, BUT FROM YOUR MOUTH TO GOD'S EARS,
YEAH, I, I REALLY WANT TO, UM, THE, HOW I GOT THE NAME CHILDREN ARE HEROES IS BECAUSE, ESPECIALLY DURING THE PANDEMIC, UM, WE LEARNED THAT THE EVERYDAY HEROES ARE THE STORE CLERKS AND THE TEACHERS AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO WITH RAISING CHILDREN, THEY LOOK UP TO THEIR PARENTS AND WHO THEY SEE.
AND SO I, I JUST THOUGHT THAT CHILDREN ARE HEROES WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE I'M, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY THEY COULD DRESS UP AS SUPERHEROES, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE THAT SERVE.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M, I'M TEACHING.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S NEEDED IS NOT ONLY THE EDUCATION, BUT THE MORALS, UH, AND THE VALUES OF LIKE, THANK YOU AND RESPECT AND HONORING UP.
AND THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE, THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND, UH OH YEAH.
SO THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF IT AND SO FORTH.
SO THE BUILDING WAS, HAS BEEN LONGSTANDING IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH, UM, MR. PATEL, WHICH IS, I'M SORRY, I'M SHAKING 'CAUSE I'M NERVOUS, BUT, UM, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN JUST A BREATH OF FRESH AIR BECAUSE OF THEIR VALUES AND THEIR MORALS.
AND YOU COULD JUST REALLY SEE IT IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S IN A PRIVATE, UM, IT'S A PRIVATE LOT AND EVERYONE JUST RESPECTS THEM.
AND, UM, IT, IT'S BEEN A LEARNING CENTER, EDUCATION CENTER AND IN EVERY FORM FOR YEARS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY WELCOMING AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
AND I HAVE BEEN GETTING SO MANY CALLS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELCOME WHEN YOU'RE OPENING, DO YOU HAVE THIS? SO I I I LOVE WHERE I'M AT.
JUST, UH, I WAS, UM, ON THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE US BEFORE YEAH.
AND I JUST, UH, COMMEND YOU FOR STICKING TO YOUR DREAM
OF OPENING A CHILDCARE CENTER.
IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL, I'M SURE.
AND, UH, I JUST THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT MEANS A LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, I DON'T WANNA LOOK AT IT AS FAIL AT SOMETHING, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET PUSHBACK AND OBSTACLES, I MEAN, IT TOOK ME ANOTHER TWO YEARS, BUT, UM, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S WHY I MOVED.
I'M FROM OHIO, UM, I MOVED TO TEXAS HERE.
NO FAMILY, NO, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY FOR A PURPOSE.
AND, UM, I JUST, I CAN'T WAIT TO LOOK FORWARD AND SEE THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
I'M SO THANKFUL FOR, UM, MR. PATEL AND THE COMPANY.
I, UM, JUST THE SUPPORT AND JUST BEING IN THE COMMUNITY AND KNOWING THAT THE CHILDREN THAT DO COME TO THE LEARNING CENTER, THEY'LL GROW UP TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY LIVE THERE.
THEY'LL GO TO ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND I JUST THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND ENCOURAGING ME.
AND SO, UM, WITH THE PARKING, I CAN ASSURE YOU I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT RAIN, SLEET, AND SNOW, EVEN IF I'M OUTSIDE TO GET THEM MYSELF, UM, THEY WILL GET IN SAFELY.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE PARENTS ARE VERY AWARE TO, YOU KNOW, MINDFUL OF CHECKING IN THEM EARLY AND FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH LEAVING THEM WITH ME OR ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER AND JUST ALWAYS HAVING OUR SHIRTS ON AND BEING VISIBLE SO THEY'RE COMFORTABLE AND KNOW WHO TO GIVE 'EM TO.
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UH, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF, UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, UH, ANNOUNCE YOUR CHANCE.
DO I WAIT FOR QUESTIONS? I'LL MOVE.
WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I SECOND MOTION AND SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
WELL, I THINK THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR ME IS ALWAYS, IT WAS IS PARKING, I THINK.
AND, UM, I THINK FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING BACK AT THE, UM, MAIN STREET, CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, SUBDISTRICT, YOU KNOW, CODE AND DEFINITIONS THERE.
IT TALKS ABOUT MULTI-GENERATIONAL, YOU KNOW, HEART OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, A MIX OF CULTURES AND, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED.
SO
UM, I, I STILL THINK IT COULD RUN INTO CHALLENGES, BUT, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH A ICE CREAM STORE.
BUT, UM, I, UH, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF GIVING THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO MAKE A GO AT IT.
BUT WHAT'S MORE ECLECTIC THAN A CHILDCARE DURING THE DAY AND THE ICE CREAM AT NIGHT?
I MEAN LIKE, LIKE, LIKE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, WE'VE CERTAINLY GOT IT.
SO, GARY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO SAY.
I WAS, I COULD READ YOUR MIND.
UH, THAT'S AS PRESENTED, RIGHT? YEAH.
RECOMMEND TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OKAY, THEN WE STAND ADJOURNED.