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IT'S MEETING THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM NUMBER ONE ON OUR DOCKET IS MR. KEN HUTCHIN.
RIDER WILL LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
YOU JOIN ME IN A STATE OF PRAYER.
HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AS A RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO DO THE GOOD WORK ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS.
WE ASK FOR PEACE ALL ACROSS THIS LAND AND ALL ACROSS THIS WORLD.
WITH PEACE, WE CAN DO SO MUCH WITH CONTINUED STRIFE DIFFICULT.
WE ASK FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME.
YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL IN THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN HUTCHER.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT ARE HERE AGAIN THIS EVENING.
[3. MINUTES OF THE JULY 15, 2024 MEETING ]
NOW WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.LOOKING FOR A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JULY 15TH, 2024.
MR. SCHUEL, I PUT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
GOT A MOTION A SECOND, MR. HUTCHIN RIDER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM ]
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITOR FORUM.WE DID RECEIVE THREE CARDS IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE, SO I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE.
UH, NOB AND MARCIA HEEL OF 1 0 3 WEST SHORE PLACE.
UH, SUBMITTED A A CARD ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, CHAPTER FIVE DASH 18, KEEPING CHICKENS.
NATHAN MEYERS OF 26 67 ORCHID DRIVE IN RICHARDSON.
UH, SUBMITTED A CARD ON THE SAME AGENDA ITEM.
AND THEN, UH, MARIN HARKIN 29 30 WHITE MARSH RICHARDSON.
UH, SUBMITTED A CARD ON THE SAME AGENDA ITEM.
WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, UH, THAT ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UM, ON THAT ITEM AND THEN OTHER TOPICS.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE, UM, INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER'S MAYOR, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY SECRETARY.
DURING THIS PORTION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED.
IF THERE IS TIME LEFT DURING THE INITIAL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITOR'S FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY.
IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS HAS REACHED, THEN SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITOR'S FORUM SCHEDULED.
AT THE END OF THE MEETING, ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED.
WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STOP STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE, WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM FIVE MINUTES IS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS.
WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY.
SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION SPEAKERS.
SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER.
THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, A POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER.
AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE, AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR EX OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE.
AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES DURING THE, UH, FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING.
MS. EMER, WE HAVE SE SEVERAL SPEAKERS TONIGHT.
MAYOR, THE FIRST ONE IS ELIZABETH WAMPLER.
UM, A AND IT WAS GIVING ADDRESS CORRECT, UM, 1 0 8 NORTH LO LANE.
UM, AND, UM, MY CONCERN WAS WITH THE BACKYARD CHICKEN, UM, INFORMATION.
I'M JUST GONNA READ OFF WHAT I HAVE.
SO SORRY IF I AM NOT LOOKING UP.
UM, I'M WRITING TO EXPRESS CONCERN REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO BACKYARD CHICKEN REGULATIONS.
THE CURRENT SUGGESTION OF A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE VERY NEEDS AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
I DO CONSIDER A MORE NUANCED POLICY THAT REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY OF OUR CITY AND ALIGNS
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WITH THE PRACTICES OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN TEXAS.UM, I, I RESEARCHED ABOUT IT A BUNCH OF THE DIFFERENT CITIES.
UM, CITY OF DALLAS HAS NO RESTRICTIONS ON CHICKENS, ONLY ON ROOSTER CITY OF HOUSTON.
UM, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS AN EIGHT CHICKEN LIMIT, BUT THEN THEY HAVE A YEARLY EVALUATION WHERE YOU CAN DO AN EXCESS FOUL PERMIT.
UM, CITY OF AUSTIN HAS A HUNDRED CHICKEN LIMIT.
UM, CITY OF FORT WORTH, IT'S BASED ON, UM, SIZE OF YOUR ACREAGE.
UM, SO 12 IS THE MINIMUM AND THEN THEY CAN GO UP TO 25.
UM, CITY OF EL PASO HAS A SIX CHICKEN LIMIT.
CITY OF FRISCO HAS A 12 CHICKEN LIMIT.
CITY OF PLANO HAS A 10 ADULT ANIMAL LIMIT.
CITY OF GARLAND HAS A FOUR CHICKEN LIMIT.
UM, AND THEN JUST THE OTHER CONCERNS, WE'RE JUST THINKING OF EGG CONCEPTION OF A FAMILY THAT ACTUALLY IS TRY TRYING TO USE THOSE CHICKEN EGGS FOR, UM, HAVING JUST SIX CHICKENS, UM, IS NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE OF CHICKENS ARE NOT CONSTANTLY, UM, ACTUALLY PRODUCING EGGS.
THEY DON'T PRODUCE AN EGG EVERY 600 AND OR 365 DAYS A YEAR.
UM, THEY MOLT WHEN THEY'RE NOT, UM, PRODUCING WHEN IT'S REALLY HOT WEATHER.
THEY ALSO ARE OFTEN NOT PRODUCING, UM, WHEN THEY'RE BROODING OR, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO A HEALTHY CHICKEN WOULD HAVE ABOUT 250 EGGS, UM, A YEAR.
UM, AND BY LIMITING BY SUCH A SMALL NUMBER, UM, OF CHICKENS, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY WANTING IT TO BE ABLE TO BE, UM, EGG PRODUCTION, UM, IT'S NOT ALLOWING JUST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SEASON WHERE THEY'RE NOT LAYING OR THEY JUST GET OLDER.
AND SO THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO JUST KILL OR GET RID OF A CHICKEN BECAUSE IT'S NOT PRODUCING, UM, FOR OUR FAMILY, THAT MAKES ME REALLY SAD.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OURS ARE PARTIALLY PRODUCTION AND PARTIALLY LIKE PETS.
UM, UH, CHICKENS, LIKE OTHER ANIMALS VARY SIGNIFICANTLY IN SIZE DEPENDING ON THE BREED.
AND POSING UNIFORM SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR CHICKENS IS AKIN TO REQUIRING, UM, LIKE A GREAT DANE OR A CHIHUAHUA HAVING THE SAME SPACE VERSUS THERE'S LITTLE BITTY CHICKENS.
THEY'RE TEENY TINY AND THERE'S REALLY BIG, UM, CHICKENS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT ELSE.
YEAH, AND I THINK THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT I JUST HAVE, UM, FOR TO THINK THROUGH IS WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE CHICKENS? DO THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF THOSE CHICKENS OR IS THERE GOING TO BE GRANDFATHERING IN OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY HAD CHICKENS? UM, AND WOULD THE GRANDFATHERING IN JUST BE FOR A SET PERIOD OR JUST WHAT, UM, THAT PROCESS, UM, WOULD LOOK LIKE? UM, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
CORA CATRELL OR TERRE? I'M SORRY.
UM, UH, UM, MY NAME IS CORA AL, UM, AND I LIVE ON 29 32 WHITE MARSH CIRCLE.
SO OUR FAMILY HAS ONLY SIX CHICKENS AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE'RE CONSIDERING GETTING MORE.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR REASONING BEHIND NOT WANTING ROOSTERS, BUT HAVING A LIMIT OF SIX CHICKENS WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO START A FARM AND OWN DOZENS OF CHICKENS, BUT HAVING A LIMIT OF ONLY SIX IS WAY TOO LITTLE.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS, OR HAVE NO LIMIT AT ALL, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE WOULD OWN A HUGE AMOUNT OF CHICKENS.
I LIVE AT 1106 BRIDGEWAY CIRCLE.
UM, SO TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, I'M ALSO SPEAKING WITH REGARD TO, UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE PROPOSED SECTION FIVE DASH 18.
UM, I WANNA START BY SAYING I FIND IT VALUABLE AND ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAIN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL ANIMALS.
I ALSO FIND IT IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT OUR CITIES MAINTAINED AND DEVELOPED APPROPRIATELY TO ENSURE THE COMFORT OF OUR CITIZENS AND LIMIT NUISANCES.
SO I ASSUME THIS WAS A WELL-INTENDED PROPOSITION, UM, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS AND CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK WERE OVERLOOKED.
UM, AND I'M LIKE MY PREDECESSORS, I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT SPECIFICALLY THAT THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS THE LIMIT.
SO I THINK IT DEMONSTRATES A DISREGARD FOR THE SIZE DIFFERENCES OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, THE CITY WAS FOUNDED IN 1873 AND IT'S OVER 28 SQUARE MILES IN SIZE.
OVER THE YEARS, MANY PIECES OF LAND HAVE BEEN BOUGHT, SOLD, DIVIDED, LEADING TO A WIDELY DIVERSE LANDSCAPE WITH MANY DIFFERENT LOT SIZES.
UM, THERE ARE MANY RESIDENCES THAT BOAST LARGE LOTS, AND THESE LOTS MAY BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE STRUCTURES OF IT AND ENCLOSURES THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR A LARGER NUMBER OF BIRDS.
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SPECIFIC NUMBER OF CHICKENS WAS REMOVED FROM THIS SECTION, THE LIMIT OF THE LIMIT OF THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS WOULD THEN IN FACT BE DICTATED BY THE SIZE OF THE ENCLOSURE THAT OUR LOTS CAN HANDLE, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OTHER GUIDELINES AND THE PROPOSITIONS.UM, IF THE OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE AND ENSURE THAT THEY FOLLOW THE OUTLINE CARE AND SANITARY INSTRUCTIONS SET FORTH, THEN ODOR CONCERNS WOULD NOT PRESENT A FACTOR FOR A LARGER NUMBER OF CHICKENS.
UM, AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE NOISE, THE FEMALE HENS MAKE VERY LITTLE NOISE.
UM, SO FROM A NOISE NUISANCE PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BIRDS THERE EITHER.
UM, SO IN CONCLUSION, WHILE I AGREE THAT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS MAY BE NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ANIMALS IS MAINTAINED, I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS WARRANT CLOSER EXAMINATION AND CONSIDERATION.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS RESTRICTED TO A LOT SHOULD BE IMPLICITLY SET BY THE CORRELATION OF THE STRUCTURE SIZE VERSUS AN ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF SIX.
UM, CHICKENS ARE, ARE PLUCKY, THEY'RE FULL OF PERSONALITY, UM, TO MANY OF US CHICKENS ARE MORE THAN LIVESTOCK.
I THINK THEY'RE MY PETS AS WELL.
I CONSIDER THEM PETS JUST LIKE MY DOGS.
UM, AND SO I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER HOW THIS MAY IMPACT THE MANY CHICKEN ODORS IN IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.
UM, AND I LIVE ON 8 1 9 FIRESTONE LANE.
I'M 12 YEARS OLD IN A LIFELONG RICHARDSON RESIDENT.
I HAVE HAD THE JOY OF GROWING UP WITH CHICKENS FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS WHILE GROWING UP IN A WORLD THAT IS OFTEN SO DETACHED FROM NATURE.
OUR CHICKENS HAVE TAUGHT ME SO MUCH ABOUT LIFE IN OUR FOOD AND WHERE IT COMES FROM.
THEY HAVE ALSO MADE AMAZING COMPANIONS AND PETS RESTRICTIONS SHOULD NOT BE PLACED ON THE OWNERSHIP OF CHICKENS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
CHICKENS ARE NOT LOUD OR MESSY OR DANGEROUS.
THEY PROVIDE EGGS TO FAMILIES IN A TIME OF UNSTABLE SUPPLIES, CHAINS, AND SCARCITY.
AND THEY BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
SIX CHICKENS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO FULLY PROVIDE A FAMILY WITH EGGS YEAR ROUND, MUCH LESS GIVE THE ABILITY TO SHARE WITH NEIGHBORS.
HAVING CHICKENS HAS HELPED BUILD CLOSENESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE LOVE SHARING OUR EGGS WITH NEIGHBORS, AND THEY ALSO SHOW THEIR APPRECIATION BY BRINGING FOOD SCRAPS FOR THE CHICKENS.
EVERYONE WINS BECAUSE WASTE THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO THE LANDFILL IS INSTEAD FUELING OUR LAYING HINTS.
MOST CHICKENS LIVE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, BUT ONLY LAY REGULARLY IN THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS OF THEIR LIVES.
SINCE MOST FAMILIES OWN CHICKENS, PRIMARILY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING A HEALTHY SOURCE OF EGGS FOR THEIR FAMILY, THE RESTRICTION OF ALLOWING ONLY SIX HENS WILL PUT AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE CITY'S ANIMAL SERVICES.
AS CHICKEN OWNERS WILL HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY GET RID OF HENS THAT ARE PAST THEIR PRIME INSTEAD OF HUMANELY ALLOWING THEM TO SPEND THEIR RETIREMENT YEARS WITH THEIR FLOCK, OUR CITY IS ALSO A DIVERSE PLACE WITH MANY TYPES OF LIVING SITUATIONS.
SO PLACING A BLANKET RESTRICTION ACROSS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY MAKES NO SENSE.
ALLOW THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY THEY'RE IN, AND LET THE CITY USE ITS RESOURCES ON THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN IT.
ISSUE LAWS ARE SUPPOSED TO BENEFIT CITIZENS, AND I CANNOT SEE HOW THIS LAW PROFITS TO US.
IF ANYTHING, FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, FOOD SECURITY AND COMMUNITY, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE CHICKEN OWNERSHIP RATHER THAN CREATE RULES THAT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT.
PERHAPS ANY COMPLAINTS TOWARDS CHICKEN OWNERSHIP SHOULD BE RESOLVED WITH NICE NEIGHBORLY TALK AND THE SHARING OF EGGS RATHER THAN BLANKET RESTRICTIONS ACROSS THE CITY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKERS MAYOR, ARE NOT ON, UH, AN AGENDA TOPIC, UH, KAISHA.
HE ANDERSON, KAISHA ANDERSON, ALEXANDER STEIN.
HOW Y'ALL DOING? I KNOW YOU SOMETIMES Y'ALL DON'T LIKE TO TURN ON MY CAMERA BECAUSE I'M A
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BISEXUAL COWBOY.AND, UM, BEING A BISEXUAL COWBOY, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT MY RIGHTS NOW THAT JOE BIDEN HAS STEPPED OUTTA THE 2024 ELECTION.
BEING A GAY COWBOY IS ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS A COWBOY CAN DO.
MR. STEIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR ME.
I LIVE AT 75 0 9 INWOOD ROAD, WHERE MY HORSES STAY.
I'M ONE OF THE GAYEST COWBOYS IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
I HAVE, UH, GAYS, UH, GAY COWBOYS OF RICHARDSON FACEBOOK GROUP THAT I RUN.
UM, JOE EXOTIC IS NOT THE ONLY GAY COWBOY
HE'S ONE OF THE GAYEST THOUGH, BUT HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA SAY I WROTE A LITTLE COUNTRY SONG, A LITTLE BALLAD BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE UPCOMING ELECTION, JUST LIKE Y'ALL SHOULD BE.
HOW YOU DOING, KENT? THIS ELECTION'S GONNA BE HELLA SCARY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU KNOW, THEY COULD RIG IT, JIG IT, WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU SOMETHING, I'M STANDING WITH KAMALA HARRIS AND I DON'T CARE WHAT SHE DID WITH MONTE WILLIAMS OR MAYOR WILLIE BROWN.
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS SUPPORTING AN INDONESIAN JAMAICAN WOMAN THAT STANDS UP FOR GAY COWBOYS.
AND SO IF I CAN GET Y'ALL TO JUST SING THIS WITH ME, THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
LEMME TELL YOU A STORY FROM CALIFORNIA'S COURTS TO THE NATION'S GLORY.
FIRST FEMALE VP BREAKING ALL THE TIMES FROM HOWARD UNIVERSITY.
SHE GOT TH LITTLE BELONGS DEGREE RE FIGHTING FOR INJUSTICE, KEEPING PEOPLE FREE.
NOW SHE'S THE VEEP, MAKING HISTORY DREAMS. JUST AIN'T FALL ASLEEP.
CAMILA, SHE'S GOT THE POWER CLIMBING UP THAT BIG OLD LADDER.
HOUR BY HOUR, SHE'S BREAKING BARRIERS, MAKING HER MARK IN THE WINE HOUSE WHERE SHE'S LEAVING HER SPARK.
UM, DAUGHTER OF IMMIGRANTS SAY HI TO DREAM SHA AND DONALD.
SHE'S TOUGH ON CRIME, BUT FAIR AND JUST, AND KAMELA HER WORDS I TRUST ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
SHE STOOD SO TALL AND STOOD BY BIDEN WHEN SHE GOT THAT CALL FOR THE PEOPLE SHE FIGHTS EVERY DAY AND NIGHT.
EQUALITY AND JUSTICE, THAT'S HER MIND.
AND KAMALA HARRIS, SHE'S GOT THE POWER CLIMBING UP THE LADDER HOUR.
AND CAM HAS GOT THE STA 2024 CAMILA KNOCKING ON THE DOOR.
DONALD TRUMP CAN'T STOP OUR GIRL.
WE ARE LIVING IN AN INDONESIAN WORLD.
I LOVE ALL YOU LADIES OUT IN THE LAND, MAN, BUT I'M A GAY COWBOY.
AND, UM, THAT SONG FOR YOU, KAMELA, I HOPE KAMELA, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS, I REALLY WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER LETTING ME IN YOUR CABINET SPEAKING FOR YOU.
UH, AS A GAY COWBOY, I CAN DO MORE FOR YOU THAN ANY STRAIGHT COWBOY COULD EVER DO.
AND, UM, I REALLY THINK THAT WITH MY HELP, THAT WE COULD TRANSITION MULTIPLE CHILDREN, THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN, AND GET THEM TO GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY THAT THEY WANT.
SO IF YOU'RE READY TO GET MASTECTOMIES AND, UH, BOTTOM SURGERY FOR THE BABIES, CALL ON ME.
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YOU DOING? SORRY ABOUT Y'ALL.EXCUSE ME, SIR, YOU NEED TO GET BEHIND THE PODIUM.
SORRY, I WAS JUST GETTING A SHOT HERE.
MY NAME IS CHESTER MITCHELL AND I'M GONNA GET INTO ONE SECOND HERE, PULLING MY SPEECH HERE.
BUT COUNSEL, OR SHOULD I SAY CROOKED? DEEP STATE POLITICIANS AND SWAMP CREATURES? I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE JUST LAST WEEK, MY BELOVED PRESIDENT, THE LORD'S NOTED AND MY IDOL, DONALD J. TRUMP, WAS NEARLY KILLED IN A PATHETIC ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT BY A SKINNY LITTLE SOY BOY LIVED OUR CUT.
THEY COULDN'T HAVE WEIGHED MORE THAN A HUNDRED POUNDS SOAKING WET.
AND THE ONLY WAY THIS WAS MADE POSSIBLE IS BECAUSE IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB ORCHESTRATED BY A CLONE OF HILLARY CLINTON AND HER SWAMP MINIONS, BECAUSE MOST OF YOU KNOW THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT ALIVE WITH THIS TODAY BECAUSE THEY KILLED HER LONG TIME AGO IN GUANTANAMO BAY.
AND WE, THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE QUIET ANY LONGER.
WE WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO SAVE OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY IN THE NAME OF DONALD J. TRUMP.
AND JUSTICE, JESUS CHRIST WAS HATED WITHOUT A CAUSE.
FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, DONALD J. TRUMP HAS BEEN CRUCIFIED BY THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA AND LIFT HARDS IN JUST LIKE JESUS CROSS ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
ON THE THIRD DAY, DONALD TRUMP WILL RISE AND WIN THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BY A LANDSLIDE.
AND WE WILL MAKE LIBERALS CRY AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
SO DON'T BE SCARED LIKE PETER WHEN HE DENIED JESUS THREE TIMES AND MADE THE C**K CROW.
BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DENY TRUMP BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED LITTLE P*****S.
NOW WE GOTTA STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHT TO FIGHT AS THE BEASTIE BOYS SAID.
NOW, LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT A SECOND AGO.
THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT? BUT ANYWAYS, IF WE HAVE DONALD TRUMP ON OUR SIDE, WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BECAUSE WE CAN'T LOSE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? NOW, AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
IF YOU GUYS SAW THE RNC, AMBER ROSE IS VOTING FOR DONALD TRUMP.
NOW THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
AND AMBER ROSE, DAMN, SHE'S SEXY.
YOU KNOW, ONCE SHE DID THAT, SHE GAVE A 50% DISCOUNT UNTIL ELECTION TIME.
SO IF YOU USE CODE PRES 47, YOU CAN GET 50% OFF HER ONLYFANS, YOU GET A SNEAK PEEK.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
AND SHE'S SUPER CONSERVATIVE LIKE ME.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, I WILL FLEE, I'LL BELIEVE TRUMP 2020.
I WILL BLEED MARGA AND I'LL DIE FOR DONALD TRUMP.
I'LL TAKE A BULLET TO MY HEAD A THOUSAND TIMES FROM MY PRESIDENT, DONALD J. TRUMP.
LIBERALS, COME ATTACK ME RIGHT NOW.
I'LL DIE ON THE HILL OF TRUMP.
I WOULD'VE TAKEN A BULLET FROM THAT SOY BOY ANYTIME.
BUT WE HAD SOME LESBIAN PROTECTING OUR PRESIDENT, OUR BELOVED, THE LORD'S ANOINTED.
BUT WHAT DID, WHAT HAPPENED? GOD STOPPED THAT BULLET.
DID Y'ALL SEE THAT? DID Y'ALL SEE TRUMP? 24 TRUMP 2024.
DID Y'ALL SEE THAT? DID YOU SEE MY CHEST? I JUST GOT TATTED EARLIER.
AND I'M GONNA, AND I'M GONNA GET HOME AND I'M GONNA WATCH SOME DONALD TRUMP, UH, MARATHONS.
I'M GONNA WATCH THE APPRENTICE.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME I WATCH THAT GREAT SHOW.
BY THE WAY, IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SHOW, THE APPRENTICE, UH, WATCH THE APPRENTICE READ THE ART OF THE DEAL.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY MY SECOND FAVORITE, UH, BOOK OTHER THAN THE SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE, BY THE WAY, DAILY WIRE.
AND LET'S MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
LET'S MAKE LIBERALS CRY, BABY TRUMP 2024.
HOW YOU DOING? I LOVE THE, I BACK THE BLUE TOO.
SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT ANOTHER SHIRT, BUT APPRECIATE Y'ALL.
[5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS PROSPECTIVE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 5 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES “ANIMALS” RELATIVE TO ANIMAL REGULATIONS ]
TIME WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, REVIEW AND DISCUSS PROSPECTIVE AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER, EXCUSE ME, CHAPTER FIVE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE ANIMALS RELATIVE TO ANIMAL REGULATIONS.UH, OUR DIRECTOR OF, UH, HEALTH, UH, BILL SEP IS JOINING US ALONG WITH NORM JAMAL, WHO IS OUR ANIMAL SERVICES MANAGER, NORMA NORMA'S GONNA TAKE
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THE PODIUM AND, UH, HELP, UH, DELIVER A BRIEFING ON ONE OF YOUR TACTICS, WHICH WAS TO, UH, UPDATE BOTH THE CITY'S HEALTH AND ANIMAL SERVICES CODES.UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS SUBSEQUENT TO NORRIS'S PRESENTATION, UH, HAVE, UH, THE COUNCIL PROVIDE, UH, FEEDBACK AND, AND DIRECTION ON, UH, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU.
AND, UH, NORA, THANKS TO YOU AND TO BILL AND, UM, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US TO THIS POINT, TO THE BRIEFING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME, AND THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FOR HAVING ME TODAY, UH, TO DISCUSS, UH, A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UM, THE REASON FOR OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS TO REVIEW THE CITY OF RICHARDSON'S ANIMAL ORDINANCES.
UM, THESE UPDATES ARE IN LINE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL GOALS AND CITY COUNCIL TACTICS TO HAVE EFFECTIVE, I'M SORRY, DO I DO THE CLICKING? WHICH, THANK YOU.
SO, OUR GOALS ARE TO HAVE CLEAR, EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT, CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVED AND CONSISTENTLY APPLIED PROCESSES AND POLICIES THAT MAKE IT EASY FOR RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO INTERACT WITH THE CITY, IT'S TO WORK TO MAINTAIN A BALANCE BETWEEN RESPONSIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY AND THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT.
OUR TACTIC IS TO EVALUATE UPDATES TO THE CITY'S HEALTH AND ANIMAL SERVICES CODES.
SO WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE DOING, UM, THESE UPDATES? UH, IT'S TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE OUR CURRENT ANIMAL SERVICES ORDINANCES.
OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES WERE ADOPTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND ARE IN NEED OF SOME UPDATING.
IT'S VITAL TO HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS TO DO THE JOB EFFECTIVELY.
OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES CAN BE TAILORED TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND ALL PROPOSED UPDATES REFLECT THE INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
THE PURPOSE OF OUR ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS IS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY, TO SET CLEAR RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR PET OWNERSHIP, TO FURTHER PROMOTE WELLBEING OF BOTH ANIMALS AND HUMANS, TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, AND TO ALIGN WITH COMPARABLE NEIGHBORING CITIES AND CURRENT BEST PRACTICES.
SO THE FIRST PART ARE OF OUR REVISIONS IS TO EXISTING ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE PLACE.
OUR CURRENT TIME LIMITS FOR IMPOUNDED ANIMALS IS A FIVE DAY STRAY HOLD.
SO IF AN ANIMAL COMES IN AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF IDENTIFICATION, THEY CAN'T BE ADOPTED OUT OR RESCUED UNTIL AN OWNER RELEASES THE ANIMAL AND OR PASSES A FIVE DAY STRAY HOLD.
IF AN OWNER FAILS TO PICK UP THEIR PETS IN A TIMELY MANNER, IT LEAVES THE PET IN LIMBO.
THE WILD OR DANGEROUS ANIMALS WOULD NOT BE AT OUR SHELTER AND TAKING UP LIMITED SPACE AND CAUSE A RISK FOR OUR STAFF AND TO THE PUBLIC.
THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE TIME LIMITS ARE TO CHANGE IT TO, UM, I, THE TRACEABLE IDENTIFICATION HOLD FROM FIVE TO THREE BUSINESS DAYS.
ANIMALS WITH IDENTIFICATION WOULD BE KEPT FOR AT LEAST FIVE TO 10 BUSINESS DAYS, OR UNTIL THE OWNER IS NOTIFIED.
ANIMALS ARE VOLUNTARILY RELEASED TO THE DEPARTMENT, OR WILD ANIMALS ARE EXEMPT FOR IMPOUNDMENT PERIODS.
IT ADDRESSES THE DISPOSITION OF INJURED OR DISEASED ANIMALS AND ANIMALS WITH AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR.
THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE TIME LIMITS WOULD ALLOW US TO INCREASE OUR LIVE RELEASE RATES, AND IT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET THEM INTO PROPER HOMES SUCH AS FOSTER CARE THROUGH ADOPTION TRANSFERS TO, UM, UH, RESCUES, OR TO ANOTHER AGENCY C ANIMAL REGISTRATION PROCESS.
CURRENTLY WHAT WE DO IS IF YOUR PET IS VACCINATED FOR RABIES, THE PETS WILL BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY EACH YEAR.
THE COST OF THAT REGISTRATION IS $5 A YEAR FOR SPAYED OR NEUTERED ANIMALS, AND $10 A YEAR FOR UNALTERED PETS.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS IN REPLACING THE REGISTRATION TAG WITH A MICROCHIP, THIS WOULD BE A ONE-TIME COST OF $15 FOR THE LIFETIME OF THE PETS.
THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE WILL BE ADOPTED WITH ORDINANCE CHANGES IF APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
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IS VERY VAGUE, AND IT'S HARD TO ENFORCE.UM, IT'S UNLAWFUL TO KEEP AN ANIMAL THAT BECOMES OFFENSIVE BY NOISE, BY PRUDENT PERSON.
USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE GET A COMPLAINT.
AND ON THE FIRST COMPLAINT, WE'LL CONTACT THE OWNERS IN PERSON VERBALLY OR GIVE THEM A WRITTEN WARNING.
ON THE SECOND COMPLAINT, WE WOULD ALSO PROVIDE A VERBAL OR WRITTEN WARNING.
ON THE THIRD COMPLAINT, THE COMPLAINANT MUST FILL OUT AN AFFIDAVIT, NOTARIZE IT, AND HAVE IT PROVIDED TO THE SHELTER.
THIS MAY BE A LENGTHY PROCESS.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING INSTEAD IS A DETAILED AND CLEAR, UM, DEFINITION.
SO IT WOULD STATE THAT UNLAWFUL, IT WOULD BE UNLAWFUL TO ALLOW ANIMALS TO BARK, HOWL CROW, OR OTHER UNREASONABLE NOISE THAT DISTURBS THE PIECE.
ON THE FIRST COMPLAINT, WE WOULD PROVIDE ALSO IN-PERSON, VERBAL OR WRITTEN WARNING.
ON THE SECOND COMPLAINT, WE WOULD ALSO PROVIDE A VERBAL OR WRITTEN WARNING.
BUT FOR THE THIRD COMPLAINT, THE COMPLAINANT MUST PROVIDE A RECORDED LOUD NOISE, UH, FOR A PERIOD OF 15 MINUTES, WHICH ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR THE STAFF TO WITNESS OR HEAR THE NOISE.
AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ISSUE CITATIONS.
PART TWO IS ADDITIONS TO OUR ORDINANCES.
THESE ARE CURRENT ORDINANCES THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UM, INHUMANE TREATMENT OF ANIMALS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ORDINANCES REGARDING INHUMANE TREATMENT AT THIS TIME.
INHUMANE TREATMENTS EQUALS A MISDEMEANOR, DEPENDING ON THE CLASS, IT CARRIES A POTENTIAL JAIL SENTENCE OF ONE YEAR OR LESS, AND OR $4,000 IN FINES.
IT SPECIFIES WHAT IS CONSIDERED INHUMANE AND ESTABLISHES A LEGAL BASIS FOR HOLDING INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, ENSURING A FAIR AND JUST LEGAL PROCESS, AND ALLOWS THE STAFF TO ADDRESS THE ANIMAL RELATED NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND ISSUE CITATIONS FOR INHUMANE TREATMENTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THIS LITTLE DOG HERE CAME INTO US MATTED, COULDN'T SEE, COULDN'T REALLY WALK DUE TO THE MATTING ON HIS FEET.
AND THE, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF INSTANCES THAT WE ARE REFERRING TO.
ANIMAL CRUELTY ON THE OTHER HAND, IS MORE OF A POLICE MATTER.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOCKS THE CONSCIENCE.
UM, STATE LAW STATES THAT IT'S A FELONY PUNISHABLE BY $2,000 FINE.
AND FROM SIX TO, UH, 10, SIX MONTHS TO 10 YEARS IN JAIL, POLICE ARE NOTIFIED ANIMAL SERVICES AND POLICE INVESTIGATE THE MATTER.
AND A REPORT IS ASSIGNED TO A DETECTIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROSECUTION.
IN COUNTY COURTS, THE PROPOSED INHUMANE TREATMENT ORDINANCE WOULD PROHIBIT INHUMANE TREATMENT, INCLUDING ABANDONMENT, INADEQUATE CARE.
IN ANIMAL FIGHTING, IT DEFINES OWNERS' RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE NECESSITIES, SUCH AS FOOD, WATER, ENCLOSURE, MEDICAL CARE.
IT ALSO WOULD ENTAIL HOW TO PROPERLY GROOM YOUR PETS.
AND, UH, ABANDONMENT, WHICH IS LEAVING AN ANIMAL ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, PLACING THE ANIMAL ON A, PLACING IT AT A BUSINESS OR AN ANIMAL SHELTER WITHOUT CONSENT.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF A, A POORLY GROOMED PET THAT THIS WOULD TAKE USUALLY YEARS OF NEGLECT.
SELECT PROPOSED ORDINANCES FOR PLACEMENT AND BAITING OF ANIMAL TRAPS, TRAPS THAT MUST NOT BE PLACED IN CONDITIONS THAT WOULD ENDANGER THE HEALTH OF THE ANIMAL, EXPOSED TO RAIN, SNOW, WEATHER, ADVISORIES, AND EXTREME TEMPERATURES.
IT PROHIBITS THE USE OF TRAPS THAT CAN CAUSE SERIOUS BODILY INJURY.
MAKE SURE TO CHECK THE TRAP AT LEAST ONCE EVERY 12 HOURS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS HEAT.
TO MAINTAIN STAFF AND ANIMAL AND COMMUNITY SAFETY, PROPOSED ANIMAL HOUSING EN CLOSURE REQUIREMENTS WOULD MAINTAIN, UH, SECURELY BUILT, ADEQUATELY SIZED SANITARY ENCLOSURE.
OUR CURRENT POLICY WOULD BE CODIFIED THE PROPOSED REDEMPTION OF IMPOUNDED ANIMAL ORDINANCES.
THIS WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE ANIMAL GOES BACK TO ITS PROPER OWNER.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF OF OWNERSHIP, SUCH AS PICTURES, VETERINARY RECORDS,
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PROOF OF CURRENT VACCINATIONS, A MICROCHIP IN TAGS, PHOTO IDENTIFICATION BY A PERSON RECLAIMING THE PETS PAYMENT OF ALL THE FEES.AND THEN THIS WOULD CURRENT, THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS CURRENT POLICY THAT WOULD BE CODIFIED.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE PROPOSED KEEPING OF CHICKENS.
SPECIFYING NO MORE THAN SIX HENS PROHIBITS ROOSTERS.
IT WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE ENCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CODE MUST BE SANITARY, AND IT IS BEST PRACTICES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY.
STATE LAW ALLOWS SIX HENS OR LESS AT THIS TIME.
OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON PROPOSED CHANGES.
WE WERE ENDORSED BY THE ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY BOARD AND CONSIDERATION FOR UPDATES, UH, TODAY.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MS. JUSTICE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, I AM THE LIAISON TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER, UM, ADVISORY BOARD.
AND, UH, JUST WANNA SAY THEY DID HEAR THIS, I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH, UM, AND, UH, PROVIDED A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK AND DID ENDORSE EVERYTHING HERE.
UH, THERE WAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT CHICKENS.
WE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE TONIGHT.
BUT FIRST I WANNA SAY THAT, UH, I, I THINK THE REGISTRATION PROCESS IS GREAT, CHANGING IT FROM, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TIED TO THE RABIES SHOT TO, UM, MICROCHIPPING INSTEAD.
I THINK IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE FOR RESIDENTS, UM, AND, UH, REALLY HELPS FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER AS WELL.
IF, UH, AND VET, UH, VET CLINICS, IF AN ANIMAL IS BROUGHT IN A LOSS, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GET IT BACK TO ITS OWNER WHEN WE HAVE THOSE MICROCHIPS IN PLACE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT CHANGE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE CHICKENS, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD SPENT A LONG TIME DISCUSSING IT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WHAT IS PROPOSED, UM, IS IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, IT ALSO HELPS BALANCE, UM, UH, AS MUCH LOVE AS THERE WAS FOR CHICKENS.
WE GET A LOT OF, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT CHICKENS, UH, A LOT.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT, THAT YOUR OFFICE HAS TO DEAL WITH, UH, LOOSE CHICKENS QUITE OFTEN.
THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE AND SMELL.
UM, AND, AND SO FOR, FOR AS MUCH LOVE AS WE HAD TONIGHT WHERE THERE'S AN EQUAL, UM, SORT OF DISLIKE FOR CHICKENS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO I THINK THAT WHAT IS PROPOSED TONIGHT IS A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN, UM, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN, UM, CHICKENS IF THEY WISH, AND ALSO RESPECTING NEIGHBORS WHO, UM, ARE, ARE NOT A FAN OF THE NOISE OR, UM, UH, THE SMELL.
SO, UM, I APPLAUD YOU FOR GOING OUT AND DOING THE RESEARCH AND FOR TAKING IT TO THE ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD AND FOR THE GREAT WORK THEY DID ON THIS.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF, UH, ALL OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, UPDATES AND CHANGES TONIGHT.
UM, AND JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE WORK AND, AND HOPE THAT THE FOLKS THAT CAME TO SPEAK TONIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WAS A, A TRUE BALANCING ACT, UM, BETWEEN THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY, UH, IN THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED TONIGHT.
MS. JUSTICE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION AND YOUR WORK ON THAT COMMISSION, MR. CORCORAN.
UH, I WANNA SAY THAT I THINK A LOT OF THESE CHANGES ARE DEFINITELY NEEDED.
AND, UM, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL, UH, YOUOR, ESPECIALLY TAKING THE CITY COUNCIL TACTIC HEAD ON TO UPDATE A LOT OF THESE OUTDATED CODES.
UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, I, I AGREE THAT THE MICROCHIPPING, WHILE I WAS SKEPTICAL AT FIRST CUT, I JUST DON'T EVER REMEMBER.
IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE I'VE OWNED A DOG.
I DON'T EVER REMEMBER DOING THAT.
BUT SEEING JUST THE, THE STREAMLINING AND THE CONVENIENCE OF THAT IS, UM, IS REALLY JUST FANTASTIC.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE NOISE ORDINANCES.
I'VE, I'LL SAY I'VE NEVER RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT CHICKENS, BUT I HAVE CERTAINLY RECEIVED TONS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT DOGS.
AND I KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, DOGS BARKING SPECIFICALLY.
RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A LENGTHY PROCESS.
I THINK THAT HAVING EVERYTHING REALLY SPELLED OUT IS, IS GREAT.
UM, IT'S GONNA SIMPLIFY AND MAKE THINGS MORE, I GUESS, MORE ENFORCEABLE, UM, AND LESS ARBITRARY.
SO I, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE JUST MORE CLARIFICATIONS, UM, ON DIFFERENT, ON DIFFERENT SORT OF TERMS IN HERE, JUST TO HELP ME GET AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF THIS STUFF MEANS AND WHAT SOME OF THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE.
SO JUST REAL QUICK, UM, MY FIRST ONE IS ON, UH, IT WOULD BE ON JUST WHAT, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A STERILIZATION DATE? IT STERILIZATION DATES.
MM-HMM,
SO ONCE THEY BECOME PROPERTY OF THE RICHARDSON ANIMAL SHELTER, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANY TYPE OF MEDICAL TREATMENT SUCH AS STERILIZATION.
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UM, AND THEN WHAT DOES, SO IN REGARDS, AGAIN TO THE, UM, TO THE OUTDOOR, THE, THE SHELTER FOR DOGS THAT ARE OUTDOORS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY? IT SAYS, UH, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES, SO GIMME A SEC.
BUT IT, IT SAYS REGULARLY, UH, HANG ON ENCLOSURE TOO.
IT JUST SAYS ANY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE IDEA BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT ANY, ANY PET THAT IS REGULARLY, UH, EATING, DEFECATING, SPENDING, I GUESS DRINKING WATER, IT GIVES, SLEEPING ALL THOSE THINGS, I MEAN, REGULARLY COULD MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY WHEN REGULARLY IN THE CODE? SO THE ENCLOSURE WOULD BE LIKE ITS BACKYARD OR THE PATIO, OR, UM, WHEREVER IT SPENDS MOST OF ITS TIME.
UM, IT DOESN'T, REGULAR REGULARLY DOESN'T MEAN LIKE, UM, SO LIKE A COUPLE HOURS A DAY OR SOMETHING.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT BEING CONFINED TO A CRATE ALL DAY LONG, THEN THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE MEANS.
THAT MAKES NO, THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO ME THAN, THAN SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT DOGHOUSE ESSENTIALLY IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.
I THINK, I THINK THINKING THROUGH IT, I GET IT.
UM, IN THAT SENSE, AT FIRST I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS SAYING, WELL, THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY MAYBE LIKE A CHIHUAHUA DOESN'T NEED ALL THAT SPACE.
BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND NOW IF IT ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLE BACKYARD, THAT'S A PRETTY BROAD ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, FINALLY I HAVE TWO MORE, SORRY, TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
JUST, UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE THE, FOR, FOR THE LIST OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO SHOW PROOF OF WHEN THEY COME AND GET THEIR PET, THAT'S ESCAPED, UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS, IS THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD THEN FIND THEM AS WELL FOR NOT HAVING THEM WHEN THEY CAME TO GET THEIR PET? OR HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT OPERATIONALLY? SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IF THEY HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS, AND NOT ALL OF THEM, WE WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE SOME WIGGLE ROOM FOR THEM.
UM, WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM FOR EVERYTHING.
WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING ON HAND, BUT AS LONG AS THEY CAN PROVIDE US SOME SORT OF PROOF THAT THEY ARE LEGALLY THE OWNER, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO THE, THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE DOG BACK IN THE RIGHT PERSON'S HAND.
IT MAY BE SURPRISING, BUT SOMETIMES WE GET STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF CUSTODY BATTLES THAT DOESN'T WITH DOGS
I THINK, AND THAT MAKES SENSE.
I THINK THE WAY, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR TRYING TO ZIP THROUGH THIS, I THINK THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE READS THOSE, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL FIVE THINGS ON THE LIST BEFORE YOU CAN GET THE ANIMAL BACK.
IS THAT TRUE? I, IT SAYS IT'S FIVE 17.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING AND, OR PERHAPS FIVE 17? LET ME SEE IF IT, IF IT, YEAH, IF IT'S JUST, AND THAT MAKES, OKAY.
ON THE FOLLOWING CONDI, SO FIVE 17 ON THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, AND THEN IT YEAH.
I IT'S JENNIFER TO THE POINT COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.
I'M SAYING, AND, AND OR WOULD BETTER REFLECT THAT INTENT BECAUSE LATELY NOW A LOT OF THESE THINGS WE WOULD, WE WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT IT'S NOT LAWFUL TO HAVE A DOG THAT ISN'T MICROCHIP OR NOT LAWFUL TO HAVE A DOG THAT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE VACCINES.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS, IS KIND OF DUAL ON THAT ONE.
THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A SHELTER THAT IS, IS CONSTANTLY OVERFLOWING AND WE'RE MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO GET THEIR PET BACK.
AND THEN TWO, THAT SOMEONE'S COMING IN, THEY MAY NOT HAVE THEIR RABIES VACCINATION OR THE DOG MICROCHIPPED.
AND WE WOULD ALSO FIND THEM IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER CRITERIA ONCE WE FOUND THAT OUT.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD ALLOW NORA AND HER TEAM MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY TO LOOK AT ANY
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COMBINATION OF THESE, UM MM-HMM.SO JOE, I, I THINK WE CAN MAKE A MM-HMM.
I WOULD PREFER THAT JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE DISCOURAGED SURE.
FROM COMING TO THE POUND AND RIGHT.
JUST SAY, WELL, THE DOG'S KIND OF A HASSLE ANYWAY.
I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THIS STUFF.
I DON'T WANT TO GET FINED FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
AND THAT WOULD, THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND THEN FINALLY, JUST REAL QUICK, I MEAN, WHEN IT COMES TO CHICKENS AND, AND HES, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME OF THE, THE STATEWIDE PREEMPTION WITH, I THINK IT WAS THE AGRICULTURE CODE.
DOES THIS FALL UNDER AGRICULTURE? DO WE KNOW THE, THE STATE, UH, NOR THE LEGISLATION THAT, THAT, UH, SET THE SIX STANDARD? WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW, HOW WE'RE, I MEAN, SURE.
UM, IT IS IN REGARDS TO THE AGRICULTURE CODE, AND THIS IS THE CODE THAT THEY PROVIDED TO THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS THAT'S, UH, MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE CITIES IN TEXAS HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF ORDINANCE IN REGARD TO CHICKENS.
SO, UM, SO THAT WAY IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY EITHER TO MAKE IT LESS THAN THE SIX MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT HAVING SO MANY DIFFERENCES, UH, ALONG THE DIFFERENT CITIES.
YEAH, NO, THAT, I MEAN, IF IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, IF IT, IF IT IS THE, THE STATEWIDE CODE THAT IT WAS PART OF THAT BIG PREEMPTION BILL, WHICH IT, I ALMOST POSITIVE AGRICULTURE WAS MM-HMM.
AM I WRONG? WELL, LET, LET ME CLARIFY.
SO, OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND THE STATE CODE? THE STATE CODE DICTATES THE PREEMPTION WAS THAT, THAT WE, THE CITIES MUST ALLOW A MINIMUM OF SIX UHHUH.
I'M, SO YOU CANNOT COMPLETELY PROHIBIT THEM.
SO THERE, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON THE MAXIMUM NUMBER WE CAN HAVE THAT, THAT THAT'S DICTATED BY THE STATE.
WE JUST CHOSE AS A CONSERVATIVE DISCUSSION POINT TO LET THE SIX BE OUR MAXIMUM.
THAT WHILE ALSO FULFILLING THE STATE'S, THE STATE'S, UH, UH, INTENDED RULE OF, OF, OF THEIR MINIMUM.
I WANNA TURN THAT AROUND AND SAY THANK YOU TO Y'ALL.
UM, THE WORK Y'ALL DO IS AMAZING AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH BEING THE OWNER OF TWO DOGS AND NOW A GRAND CAT.
UM, I'M ALWAYS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT Y'ALL DO.
UM, AND SO I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
SO THE MICRO CHIPPING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE TIME THAT THE, THE PET WOULD GET THEIR RABIES VACCINE, DO ALL OF OUR VETS IN TOWN, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THAT IF YOU, IF YOU GET A NEW DOG, LET'S SAY, OR A NEW PUPPY, YOU GO TO GET THE, THE, THE DOG OR THE PUPPY CHECKED, THEY DO ALL THE VACCINES, THEY DO THE RABIES VACCINES.
DO ALL OF OUR VETERINARIANS, OR DO WE REQUIRE ALL OF OUR VETERINARIANS TO BE ABLE TO MICROCHIP OR WOULD IT BE A CASE OF, IF, IF THERE WAS A VET WHO DOESN'T MICROCHIP THAT YOU WOULD BRING YOUR VACCINE RECORD TO THE POUND AND THEN THAT TO ANIMAL SHELTER AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD GET MICROCHIPPED? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGISTICS OF, AND I DON'T, I MEAN, MY VET, THEY DO MICROCHIP.
AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S AN AVENUE IF WE HAVE A VET VET IN TOWN WHO DOESN'T MICROCHIP FOR WHATEVER REASON.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A FEE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF COST TO IT.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A, UH, A WAY THAT SOMEONE CAN, CAN DO THIS.
SO, UM, MOST CLINICS DO PROVIDE MICROCHIPPING TO THEIR CLIENTS.
UM, IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE MICROCHIPPING, OF COURSE THEY CAN COME TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND WE CAN DO THAT FOR THEM.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL LOW COST CLINICS IN THE AREA THAT ALSO PROVIDE MICROCHIPPING FOR A LOWER COST THAN YOUR REGULAR VET.
AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE MICROCHIP CLINICS AT A DISCOUNTED OR NO CHARGE.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, I'VE BEEN TOLD OVER THE YEARS, AND I, AND I READ THROUGH THIS AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO, TO ADMIT THAT WHEN I WAS READING IT, BUT I DON'T SEE AS FAR AS NUMBER OF PETS THAT CAN BE AT A, AT A RESIDENCE.
IS THAT, IS THAT IN, IN THIS SECTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, OR IS THAT CODIFIED SOMEWHERE ELSE? SO IT SHOULD BE UNDER THE ANIMAL.
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IT.I'LL BE THE VERY FIRST ONE TO ADMIT THAT.
I JUST COULDN'T FIND IT, ACTUALLY FIND IT FOR YOU.
SO, UM, A DOG KENNEL ON THE PAGE, ON THE FIRST PAGE, FIVE OR MORE ADULT DOGS ARE KEPT, AND THEN A CAT KENNEL IS FIVE OR MORE ADULT CATS.
SO YOU CAN HAVE FIVE CATS AND FIVE DOGS.
SO, SO THEN YOU'D HAVE, SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE, I, I GUESS IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR TO ME, KEN, IT'S KIND OF THE INVERSE OF WHAT, SO IF IT'S FIVE OR LESS, IT'S NOT A KENNEL.
SO YOU, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN HAVE WITHOUT ME HAVING TO BECOME A KENNEL AND MEET ALL THE KENNEL REQUIREMENTS.
SO I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION THOUGH IS ARE WE SAYING, ARE WE SAYING THAT IN ESSENCE, IF I HAVE FOUR DOGS AND I HAVE FOUR CATS, I'M WITHIN COMPLIANCE.
CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I'M, IS THAT OKAY? MM-HMM,
SO AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA ASK THE QUESTION FROM A FAIRNESS PERSPECTIVE, IF PEOPLE CONSIDER THEIR CHICKENS, PETS, DO WE HAVE A MISALIGNMENT? IF, IF, IF IN ESSENCE I COULD GO OUT, I, I HAVE, I HAVE TWO DOGS AND A CAT THAT MY GRAND CAT THAT COMES EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.
BUT IF I WANTED TO, I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME IS I COULD TECHNICALLY HAVE FOUR DOGS AND FOUR CATS IN MY HOUSE AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME, AND I WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A KENNEL AND I WOULD BE WITHIN THE LAW.
MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT.
SO DO WE, DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE SAME THING? I MEAN, IF SOMEONE CONSIDERS THEIR CHICKENS THEY'RE PETS, RIGHT? DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A MISNOMER? THEY, I'M JUST, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION FROM A FAIRNESS PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, I, I, I, I'VE HAD SEVERAL, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE COMPLAIN TO ME BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE, UH, NEXT DOOR.
IN FACT, I ASKED BRENT AND BILL ONE ON ONE OF THEM TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY HAD QUITE A NUMBER OF CHICKENS.
BUT I'M JUST, I'M, I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM A FAIRNESS FACTOR.
SO IF I TRULY DO CONSIDER MY CHICKENS MY PET, THEN WE DO, WE NEED TO SAY THAT THEY COULD HAVE EIGHT IN ORDER TO MATCH DOGS AND CATS.
I I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY FAIR AND VERY REASONABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST IN SITUATION OF FOUR DOGS, FOUR CATS, IT'S A GOOD CHANCE MOST OF THOSE WILL BE INDOOR, PARTICULARLY THE CATS, UM, VERSUS, VERSUS THE CHICKENS.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK, AGAIN, I THINK THE SIX WAS A STARTING POINT FOR THE DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT MAKES, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD RATIONALE.
IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO SAY WE'RE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF, UH, CHICKENS, UH, OR CHICKENS AND HENS TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS YOU COULD HAVE.
SO, I MEAN, I WOULD ADD COUNCIL OF INJUSTICE, THE THOUGHTS ON THAT? I MEAN, I I, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM A FAIR, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO COME AND SAY, WELL, I CAN HAVE EIGHT CATS AND DOGS, BUT I ONLY GET SIX CHICKENS.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING, DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE OR IS THAT, I DON'T WANT, I'M NOT TRYING TO OVERRIDE BY ANY STRETCH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM FAIRNESS.
I, I DON'T OWN THIS ORDINANCE.
SO I'M LOOKING TO YOU FOR, I MEAN, GUIDANCE.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT LINKED WITH THE ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AND THIS WAS VERY WELL RESEARCHED.
I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO, TO WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST PRACTICE.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, YOUR RATIONALE IS NOT UNREASONABLE, BUT I STILL DEFER TO, TO THEIR EXPERTISE.
THEY'RE THE EXPERTS IN THIS AREA.
UH, AND THEY'VE LOOKED AT THEIR PEER CITIES.
AND SO, I MEAN, CERTAINLY WORTH HAVING TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT I, I STILL LEAN AND SUPPORT OF THEM.
NO, AND I FULLY SUPPORT, I'M JUST, ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS CREATE A FAIRNESS ACROSS THE BOARD SO SOMEBODY DOESN'T COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WELL, HOW COME I GET EIGHT VERSUS I ONLY GET SIX CHICKENS? SO AGAIN, I, I GUESS I'M, I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT CHANGE.
I CHANGE, I WOULD JUST SIMPLY, I WOULD AS, AS COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, I THINK THAT'S GREAT GUIDANCE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, REFER THAT BACK TO Y'ALL AND WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, AT LEAST BEFORE YOU BRING IT BACK TO US, THINK ABOUT THAT.
UNDERSTAND THAT RATIONALE AS WELL.
JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, THAT IMBALANCE, IF YOU WILL.
I'LL SAY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT, AND WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW OF OUR COMMISSIONERS IN, IN THE AUDIENCE, SO MAYBE THEY CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THEIR NEXT MEETING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK AND NOW TRY TO, CAUSE WE APPRECIATE IT.
AND THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT.
APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND YOUR TIME THAT YOU DONATE BACK TO OUR CITY.
UH, NORA, GREAT JOB ON THE PRESENTATION.
I KNOW, UH, WHEN I FIRST READ THAT, UH, THAT PIECE ABOUT THE MICROCHIPPING, I HAD SOME, SOME CONCERNS, NOT BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT MICROCHIPPING, 'CAUSE I DO, MY DOG IS MICROCHIP AND I WAS, UH, LUCKY ENOUGH TO, UH, ADOPT A DOG A COUPLE MONTHS AGO FROM TAKE ME HOME PET RESCUE, AND THEY COME MICROCHIPPED.
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SO I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THAT.UM, BUT INITIALLY I THOUGHT, OH, WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO MAYBE, UH, AREN'T EDUCATED ON MICROCHIPPING OR THE COST OF MICRO CHIPPING.
UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I PAID FOR, BUT I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY QUITE A BIT MORE THAN $15 AND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AS A CITY.
SO I, UH, COMMEND, UH, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE WORKED ON THAT PROGRAM TO PROVIDE IT AS A SERVICE FOR $15.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT TRANSITION.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, I DID RECENTLY GO AND GET MY CITY TAG.
UH, I THINK YOU WERE RUNNING AROUND IN THE BACK, UH, WORKING AS, AS YOU USUALLY DO.
UH, BUT, UH, I HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THE STAFF THERE IN THE OFFICE, UH, WHILE WHEN VISITING.
UM, I DO, THE ONLY AREA I HAVE CONCERN, WHICH IS THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, IS THE CHICKENS.
UM, I DO NOT, I DO NOT THINK THAT SIX IS, UH, IS ANYWHERE, UM, CLOSE IF WE UP IT TO TWO.
AND I, I SEE COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RE'S, UH, POINT, UH, ON BEING FAIR THERE.
UH, I DEFINITELY WOULD SUPPORT BRING IT UP TO EIGHT, TO BE HONEST.
I THINK THAT'S STILL FAIRLY LIMITING, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WERE REITERATED TONIGHT BY SOME OF OUR SPEAKERS.
UH, ONE AREA THAT I FOUND INTERESTING, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE CITIES MENTIONED IN A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED AND AT THE SPEAKERS AT THE PODIUM WERE, I THINK IT WAS SAN ANTONIO THAT ALLOWS A X AMOUNT OF NUMBER.
AND THEN ABOVE THAT BY PERMIT, I THINK IS WHAT, UH, THE SPEAKER SAYS.
OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FACT CHECK THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT CHICKENS TO, UH, SAY THAT'S, THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE WHAT THE PROCESS IS THERE.
BUT I MUCH WOULD RATHER, IDEALLY I WOULDN'T, I WOULD PREFER NO LIMIT.
AND I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, UH, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.
UH, I'VE HAD TWO EMAILS ABOUT ROOSTERS.
UH, AND THAT WAS REALLY EARLY ON IN MY SERVICE, UH, EARLY LAST SUMMER.
BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD A SINGLE COMPLAINT ABOUT CHICKENS.
AND I DO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE 'EM, UM, IN BACKYARDS, UM, THAT I DON'T THINK I KNEW ANYBODY WHO, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MET ANYBODY PRIOR WHO WAS HERE TODAY, BUT I KNOW THE PEOPLE I KNOW THAT DON'T HAVE 'EM AREN'T ACTUALLY HERE TODAY.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY LIMITING TO THE POINTS OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SIX CHICKENS, THEN ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE ALL HEALTHY AND LAME, YOU'RE GETTING ONE EGG PER PERSON A DAY.
UM, AND WHILE I THINK THEY LOVE 'EM, LIKE THEY DO PETS, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE YOUNGER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UM, THE KIDS LOVE THE CHICKENS.
THE, UH, THE REALITY IS MOST OF THEM HAVE IT FOR THE EGGS.
UH, AND I THINK HAVING SIX CHICKENS, UH, DRAMATICALLY LIMITS, UH, WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO.
UH, IN OUR COMMENTS, THERE WERE, THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS ONE, ONE PERSON WHO SENT US A COMMENT WHO DID NOT HAVE CHICKENS, BUT THEY REALLY ENJOYED GIVING THEIR SCRAPS TO THE NEIGHBOR AND THEY FED IT TO THE CHICKENS, AND THEN THEY IN, IN TURN, SHARED EGGS.
I THINK THAT'S BUILDING OF COMMUNITY.
SO WHILE I SUPPORT EVERYTHING IN IT, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT WENT IN AND I, I THINK MAKING OUR MAXIMUM, THE STATE'S MINIMAL IS NOT, UM, THE RIGHT APPROACH.
OUR APPROACH HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE THINK OF ANOTHER HOT TOPIC, UH, THAT HAS BEEN IN OUR CITY, WAS THE SUBJECT OF AIRBNBS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN THE APPROACH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BAN IT BECAUSE ONE OR TWO BAD ACTORS, I DON'T THINK TAKING A BAN OR NOT A BAN, BUT A SERIOUS LIMITATION ON CHICKENS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR ONE OR TWO BAD ACTORS.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER APPROACH IT FROM A, HEY, IF NEIGHBORS ARE COMPLAINING, LET'S SIT DOWN, LET'S TALK.
WE RECENTLY HAD, UH, A SIMILAR APPROACH, UH, WITH AN AIRBNB.
UM, AND THAT WAS HAVING ISSUES.
WE SAT DOWN, WE TALKED, WE FIGURED OUT, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE ROUTES HERE? AND FIGURED OUT A PLAN.
TAKING THAT ONE-ON-ONE APPROACH, I THINK IS A MUCH BETTER APPROACH.
SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THE LIMITING TO SIX CHICKENS, UH, TO SIX HENS, I GUESS IS THE PROPER TERM.
UM, AND I WOULD REALLY STRUGGLE TO, TO LIMIT THAT TO ANY SINGLE DIGIT NUMBER, UH, OR EVEN LOAD DOUBLE DIGIT NUMBERS, UM, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THEM AS A NOISE IN NUISANCE.
NOW, IF THEY'RE NOT KEEPING, AND THEY, THEY HAVE AN INCH OF, YOU KNOW, CHICKEN POOP AT THE BOTTOM, THEY'RE NOT BEING, AND THEY'RE ATTRACTING ANIMALS, UH, RODENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED DIFFERENTLY.
UH, VERSUS JUST, UH, THEY OBVIOUSLY, MAYBE THEY COULD BE EDUCATED OR THEY COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, ENFORCED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A COMMON THREAD AMONG CHICKEN OWNERS, AND SO THEREFORE IT'S LIMITING THAT I WOULD'VE A PROBLEM WITH.
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THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.THANK YOU MS. JUSTICE, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS UP REAL QUICK ON THAT? YEAH, I WOULD JUST SORT OF PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT AND SORT OF SAY THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ISN'T WORKING.
UM, TO YOUR LAST POINT, UM, WE DO GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
I MEAN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR ANIMAL SERVICES FOLKS AND, AND, AND HEAR THE COMPLAINTS THAT THEY RECEIVE AND THE MINI CALLS THEY HAVE TO MAKE RELATED TO CHICKEN.
SO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS ISN'T WORKING, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THIS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT AIRBNBS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE DEBATE OVER WHETHER OR NOT TO, UM, CODIFYING SORT OF REGULATION RELATED TO AIRBNBS, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT BALANCING THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF OWNERS, UH, THOSE WHO WANNA BE ABLE TO RENT THEIR HOMES, AND THOSE WHO WANNA BE ABLE TO, UM, LIVE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, IN PEACE, UM, WITHOUT, UM, THAT THE CONCERNS THAT SOMETIMES COME WITH AIRBNBS AND, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A SIMILAR ISSUE.
UM, WITH THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THOSE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND SO I, I HEAR THE CONVERSATION RELATED TO, UM, MAYBE NOT LIMITING IT TO SIX, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND HAVE A, A FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WITH THE ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY COMMISSION.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE AFFECTED BY THE NOISE AND ARE AFFECTED BY, UM, THE SMELL.
UM, TO YOUR POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD RESOLVE THIS ALL WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORLY PASSING OF EGGS AND FOOD SCRAPS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE REALITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WISH THAT THAT WAS THE REALITY, BUT, BUT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS CURRENTLY DOESN'T WORK.
WE NEED THIS ORDINANCE BOTH TO CODIFY THE STATE LAW AND TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WE'VE RECEIVED IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT BALANCE IS.
I THINK THAT'S THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT IS WHAT IS THE RIGHT BALANCE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE CARING FOR BOTH SIDES, UH, OF THIS ISSUE.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, MR. SAM.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DETAILED PRESENTATION.
LOT OF WOODWORK HAS BEEN DONE BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, I'M JUST, UH, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALSO, SAME THING, CHICKEN.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE NEARBY ANY STREET CORNER AND WHEN SPEEDING CAR GOES BY, I SOMETIMES I WISH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CHICKEN THERE, NOT THE SPEEDING CAR, UH, BECAUSE THE SOUND OF SPITING SPITTING CAR IS MUCH LOUDER THAN THE CHICKEN.
UH, NOW, ANYWAY, UH, SERIOUS THINGS NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, QUALIFYING THE STATE LAW, LET ME UNDERSTAND THAT STATE IS GIVING SIX MINIMUM SO THAT THE CITIES CANNOT TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT TO HAVE CHICKEN OR SIX, SIX, YEAH.
SO THAT CITIES CANNOT TAKE AWAY THESE THINGS.
SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT QUALIFYING THIS, WE ARE JUST FOLLOWING UP MANDATE THAT'S GIVING US THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
IF YOU, EVEN IF EVEN IF YOU WISH YOU WANNA DO IT FOR FIVE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO FOR FIVE.
SO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE TO GO FIVE, UH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO GO SIX.
THE GOAL OF LIMITING THE NUMBERS, OR ANY PETS OR EMAILS OR ANYTHING IS TO HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY, ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE.
EVEN IF WE HAVE FOUR DOG THERE SOMEWHERE AND THOSE DOG, IT COULD LIVE IN A UNHEALTHY SITUATION.
UH, SO A BIKE, THEY CAN HAVE FOUR DOGS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ROOM OR SITUATION TO HAVE FOUR DOGS.
UH, IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY ACCORDINGLY, NEVER COULD HAVE PROBLEM, BUT THEY WOULD BE STUCK WITH THE SITUATION.
SAY, OKAY, I'M FOLLOWING THE CODE, SO WOULD NOT BE THIS MUCH BETTER IF WE FOCUS ON MOLD THAT, HOW TO KEEP THOSE THING IN A SAFE MANNER.
I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME DESCRIPTION OUT THERE.
UH, SIMILAR THING FOR THE CHICKEN, THAT IF YOU MAINTAIN THAT, IF THE SMELL DOESN'T GO OUT, EVEN THE FIVE CHICKEN COULD CREATE PROBLEM SIX.
COULD CHICKEN COULD CREATE PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORS IF THE COOK IS NEXT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S BEDROOM ON THE SIDE.
SO, BUT BY CODE, THE HOMEOWNER'S DEFINITELY CAN HAVE FIVE, SIX CHICKEN IF WE FOLLOW FIVE, SIX CHICKEN.
SO, SO STILL THERE WOULD'VE PROBLEM.
AND IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, CHICKEN NORMALLY HAND NORMALLY DOESN'T MAKE MUCH, MUCH NOISE IS THE ROOSTER REALLY.
AND THERE'S BEAUTIFUL NOISE, UH, IF YOU LIKE IT.
UH, SO IF IT IS NEXT TO YOUR BEDROOM AND THE BEDROOM IS SHOWING FIVE FEET FROM THE FENCE AND CHICKEN IS RIGHT THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT'S PRETTY LOUD SOMETIMES IN THOSE SMALL HAND.
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MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE HAVE FOCUSED A LITTLE MORE ON THOSE.SOME OF THE DETAIL, UH, I REALLY DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T LIKE TO PUT MUCH DETAIL ON THE WORK SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FEEL RESTRICTED.
BUT AGAIN, SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOME GUIDELINE, UH, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT HOW IT CAN MAKE IT SAFER, YOU KNOW, SITU ENVIRONMENT, HAVING SIX IS I THINK WHAT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH EIGHT? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY, I KNOW STATES SAY THAT OTHER CITIES DO THAT.
IS THERE ANY SCIENTIFIC, ANY OTHER NUMBERS, ANY STUDY DONE THAT SIX IS THE NUMBER OR THIS IS JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOES THAT? WE'RE DOING IT.
ANYTHING BEHIND, WE'RE JUST GOING BY WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RECENTLY I LEARNED FROM MY SON THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME PRACTICE BY THE NURSES, OTHER DOCTORS.
AND HE IS JUST A, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, THIRD YEARS RESIDENT.
SO HE ASKED QUESTION EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOME NURSE PUT SOME MEDICINE TO THE PATIENT AND HE SAW THAT IT'S KIND OF DANGER FOR THE PATIENT, A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION COULD HAPPEN.
SO HE ASKED THE NURSE, WHY DID YOU DO THAT? JUST TO UNDERSTAND.
AND HER ANSWER WAS, I JUST DID IT BECAUSE WE, WE ALWAYS DO IT.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S WHEN HE REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SYSTEM IS SOMETIMES WE JUST DO IT 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S DOING IT.
UH, ASKING QUESTION IS PROBABLY MUCH MORE, UH, BETTER TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.
SO IF THERE IS NO THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, THEN I WOULD RAISE THE NUMBER MORE, UH, FOCUS ON THE, UH, ENVIRONMENT, HOW TO DO THIS THING MORE REGULARLY OR PUT SOME HOLD ON THAT GUIDELINES, UH, SO THAT THE NEIGHBOR STAYS HAPPY, THE OWNER STAYS HAPPY, AND END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS THEIR HOUSE.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE LIKE FOUR DOGS, SIX CHICKEN AND FOUR CATS RIGHT THERE, THIS COULD BE A MESSY SITUATION.
DOG RUNNING, CATS RUNNING AND THE CHICKEN RUNNING EVERYWHERE.
I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE DOG AND CAT TOGETHER.
I WONDER SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU MAKE THEM TO LIVE TOGETHER? JUST PEANUT BUTTER AND UH, IS THAT A WAFFLE? NO,
JELLY, JELLY, PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE TRICK.
SO, BUT I DON'T THINK IT CAN MAKE HAPPY DOG AND CHICKEN AND CARROT TOGETHER WITH THE PEANUT BUTTER JELLY.
SO HAVING THOSE COMBINATION SOMETIMES PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.
SO IF YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AND FLEXIBLE ON THE CHICKEN ALSO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY MY OPINION, BETTER OPTION.
THAT'S WHY THE STATE IN ENFORCED THAT.
UH, THAT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US UP TO DATE WITH, WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION.
I, I JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS I WANT TO GET CLAR, UH, CLARITY ON, JUST SO I I UNDERSTAND AND ALSO SAY IT ALOUD FOR EVERYONE AS WELL THAT'S LISTENING.
I, I KNOW YOU SAID THE STATE REQUIRES A OF SIX, NOT REQUIRES, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A MINIMUM OF SIX, RIGHT? IS IS THAT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A PROPERTY? AND, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, GENERALLY MOST NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I'M THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, A, A TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN RICHARDSON HAS A SEVEN FOOT OR 10 FOOT SETBACK ON EACH HOME.
SO YOU'RE DIVIDED INTO 14, MAYBE 20 FEET BETWEEN EACH HOME IN A, IN A NORMAL, REGULAR STANDARD NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND, AND, AND TO, UH, COUNCILMAN SAM CHU'S POINT TOO ABOUT LOCATION, UM, GENERALLY THAT'S MOST LIKELY WHERE PEOPLE WILL PUT A CHICKEN COOP OF SOME SORT, UM, NOT NEXT TO THEIR POOL OR IF THEY HAVE A POOL.
BUT IS IT, HAS IT TAKEN, HAS IT BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE SIZE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A PROPERTY AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL LOCATION? OR SHOULD THERE, CAN THERE BE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? UH, FOR, FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS LET'S SAY AN ACRE AND A HALF OR A TWO ACRE LOT OR EVEN AN ACRE LOT, UM, WOULD THEY HAVE THE OPTION? I MEAN, THEY OBVIOUSLY WOULD, THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF HAVING MORE THAN, THAN, UH, SIX CHICKENS.
I I MEAN I'VE NOTICING, LOOKING AT THESE DETAILS HERE, IT SAYS AUSTIN HAS A HUNDRED CHICKEN LIMIT.
YEAH, I HAVE A, I MEAN, I'M JUST READING WHAT WAS WRITTEN HERE.
IT'S LIKE, UM, SOME HAVE 12 AND 30 CHICKENS IN HOUSTON.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO ME, RIGHT?
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UM, WE, WE COMPARED OURS TO THE NEIGHBORING CITIES.IS THERE, WOULD THERE BE A CONSIDERATION FOR A SQUARE FOOT AMOUNT, UH, FOR BACKYARDS? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE MEETINGS? I'M JUST, I'M ASKING 'CAUSE I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
I I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE, TO THE DOG AND THE CAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, WE DON'T PUT, WE LIMIT IT TO FOUR OR WHEN IT BECOMES FIVE OR MORE, IT'S A KENNEL BECAUSE THAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER TO EXPECT THAT THE, THE PROPERTY, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE, CAN BE MAINTAINED IN A HEALTHY AND A, IN A, IN A AND IN A SAFE WAY.
SO I DON'T THINK COMPLYING PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK APPLYING THE SQUARE FOOT STANDARD, YOU KNOW, TO THE CHICKENS WOULD TO, TO CHICKENS WOULD MAKE THAT MUCH MORE SENSE WHEN YOU DON'T DO IT FOR OTHER ANIMALS.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT YOU CAN REASONABLY EXPECT, YOU KNOW, TO BE CARED FOR IN A, IN A HEALTHY AND SAFE WAY.
LET ME, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MANY, MANY YEARS IN, IN AND VARIOUS TYPES OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF TIME THIS IS GONNA BE JUST FINE.
IT'S REALLY FOR THE EXCEPTION FOR THE, FOR THE OWNER WHO IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD OTHERWISE DO.
THAT WE ADOPT THESE, THAT WE ADOPT THESE CODES, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S A BALANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEEK, I DON'T THINK NORO OR BILL AND, AND, AND, UH, OR, OR MYSELF OR, OR REALLY ANYONE WOULD DRAW A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EIGHT AND SIX.
I I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY DEBATING SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF IRRELEVANT WHEN YOU GO EIGHT TO SIX, NOW YOU GO 30, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED HOUSTON DID TO TO EIGHT AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
AND SO I THINK TWEAKING THE NUMBER BY A HINT OR TWO IS PROBABLY NOT, PROBABLY NOT REALLY GONNA IMPACT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE GOT, UM, PRESENTED HERE.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYOR PRO, TIM, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK EVERYTHING IN 15 EIGHT B ARE THOSE GUIDELINES THAT SAY, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER YOU HAVE, IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, WE WILL NEVER INTERACT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER IN THEIR CHICKENS.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE DOING ALL THESE THINGS IN B IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE KEPT IN A HEALTH, A HEALTHY WAY AND A SANITARY WAY.
UM, SO I, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW, I, I DON'T, FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SIX VERSUS EIGHT OR NINE VERSUS SEVEN, ANY THAT'S REALLY GONNA IMPACT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE FRAMEWORK HERE IN B TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, UM, UM, IS, IS UM, IS MANAGEABLE FROM A, FROM A HEALTH AND AND SAFETY STANDPOINT, IT'S, IT'S THE MAGNITUDE OF, OF THESE OTHERS THAT WOULD KIND OF CAUSE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE PRETTY CHALLENGING TO, TO MANAGE.
NOW I'M NOT SAYING SOMEBODY COULDN'T DO IT, I'M JUST SAYING, UH, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, 30 OR AN UNLIMITED NUMBER WOULD BE, WOULD BE HARD TO, UM, I THINK TO, TO, TO MANAGE.
UH, HOW MANY PROPERTIES, UM, HAVE, HAVE, WE DO, DO YOU HAVE A COW OF HOW MANY PROPERTIES HAVE CHICKENS? I I DO NOT HAVE A COUNTER REGISTRATION.
SO THERE'LL BE NO SPOT CHECKING PERIODICALLY TO SEE IF, IF TO THE POINT OF HAVING SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD MAINTAIN, UM, SANITARY CONDITIONS, UM, TO COMPLAINT BASIS ONLY.
AND THAT'S REALLY, THAT WOULD BE REALLY THE CHALLENGE WITH HAVING THINGS LIKE SETBACKS OR, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU WOULD REALLY BE NEEDING TO CREATE A, ESSENTIALLY A WHOLE NOTHER PROGRAM, INSPECTION PROGRAM AROUND AND PER PERHAPS PERMITTING AN INSPECTION PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE HARD TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF, UM, RESTRICTIONS.
THIS IS NOT UNLIKE A LOT OF OUR, UM, IT'S NOT UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, BARKING DOGS OR NOISE FROM A GENERATOR OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY ARE A COMPLAINT BASIS.
UH, ONLY, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO PROACTIVELY KIND OF POLICE FOR THAT CITYWIDE.
UM, THANK YOU MAYOR
UM, FIN I, UH, MAYOR PRO, I REALLY, UH, LIKED HIS APPROACH.
'CAUSE HE, HE'S RIGHT THERE IS NO MAGIC NUMBER.
UM, BUT I THINK THE APPROACH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT TIED TO A SPECIFIC NUMBER AS MUCH AS COMPLAINT BASED OR A HEALTH CODE BASE.
UM, TO COUNCILMAN JUSTICE'S POINT, IT IS ABOUT BALANCE.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE NATURE OF HAVING A LARGE DIVERSITY IS FINDING THAT BALANCE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE AS A COUNCIL AND I PERSONALLY AND WE AS A COUNCIL TRY TO DO WITH EVERY DECISION WE MAKE, UM, IS FIND THAT BALANCE THE, THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS.
UM, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT BEHIND WHAT, UH, OUR
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CITY MANAGER JUST SHARED.'CAUSE YEAH, WE, AS RICHARDSON, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ON STAFF OR OTHERWISE EVER GOING AND DOING A CHICKEN CHECK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND SPOT CHECKING THE SPIRIT IS THERE.
AND I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
ZERO QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT IN WHICH IT WOULD BE ENFORCED.
BUT I, AGAIN, ANYTIME WE CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT'S LEGISLATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S, WE WOULD NEVER ADJUST THE SPEED LIMIT OR A BUILDING CODE WITHOUT, UM, SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ONLY COME AND ENFORCE THAT IF WE GET A COMPLAINT.
UM, SO I I I AM JUST, I I DO THINK PERSONALLY, IF I HAD TO PICK A NUMBER OUT OF THIS GUY, I WOULD SAY 10 OR 12, ASSUMING THESE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT, THAT'S, THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF, OR YOU GET COPIES OF THIS OR NOT OF THE COMMENTS.
I'M SURE SOMEBODY WOULD GLADLY GIVE YOU A COPY OF, OF THESE SINCE THEY'RE PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, BUT I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS, UH, SAN ANTONIO, I FOUND IT, YEAH, THEY HAVE A EIGHT CHICKEN LIMIT WITH A YEARLY EVALUATION OF ACCESS FILE PERMIT BECAUSE I THINK SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE WAY MORE OPEN TO CHICKENS THAN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, I, I KNOW IN THE HEIGHTS AND SEVERAL, THE NIGHTS HEIGHTS AREAS THERE IN WEST RICHARDSON, I KNOW THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH CHICKENS.
AND WHILE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY MAY BE NOT AS CHICKEN FRIENDLY, UM, BASED ON NEIGHBOR'S EXPECTATIONS.
SO I THINK HAVING THAT ABILITY FOR PEOPLE, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S MORE ACCEPTING, THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, UM, GIVING THEM THAT WIGGLE ROOM.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
OBVIOUSLY, I, I THINK THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS SOMETHING THAT IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO, TO COUNCILMAN JUSTICE'S POINT ABOUT, HEY, WE'RE BASICALLY ADOPTING STATE.
WE NEED TO CODIFY WHAT THE STATE SAYS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM CODIFYING WHAT THE STATE SAYS, WHICH IS WE CANNOT LIMIT IT BEYOND SIX.
WE'RE SAYING WE'RE DOING A MAXIMUM OF SIX THAT'S DIFFERENT.
WE'RE NOT CODIFYING WHAT THE STATE SAYS.
WE'RE SAYING WE'RE BY, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THE STATE LAW.
THEIR MINIMUM IS GONNA BE OUR MAXIMUM.
THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT THING.
SO IF WE WANNA CODIFY WHAT THE STATE SAYS, I WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT TO IT.
TAKE IT BACK, CONSIDER IT, MAYBE TALK TO SOME OF OUR CHICKEN ORGANIZATIONS OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, THERE'S A BETTER TERM FOR THAT, BUT SOME OF OUR CHICKEN PARENTS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO FIND WHAT THAT BALANCE IS OR, OR LOOK INTO, HEY, WHAT SAN ANTONIO DID ACCORDING TO THIS COMMENT, WHICH IS LIMIT EIGHT CHICKENS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ACCESS FILE PERMIT WHERE SOMEBODY GET, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO HAVE 12 CHICKENS.
LET ME HAVE MY EIGHT, LET ME GO BACK AND PROVE TO YOU THAT I HAVE A BACKYARD THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, I KEEP UP, KEEP EVERYTHING CLEAN, I HAVE 'EM IN A SAFE PLACEMENT, A NICE, UM, COOP, AND THEN I CAN BE ALLOWED UP TO WHATEVER IS ALLOWED.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
SO IF WE WANNA CODIFY WHAT THE STATE SAYS, LET'S CODIFY WHAT THE STATE SAYS AND THEN TAKE THIS BACK, LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE COME UP WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PLAN OR SERIOUSLY LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
BUT I DO AGREE IT'S, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT, THERE'S A BALANCE THERE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS A BALANCE.
UM, AND OH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND, AND BILL OR NORA, EXCUSE ME IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, 'CAUSE THIS WAS, UM, I DON'T COUNCILMAN JUSTICE, UH, REFERRED TO, UM, COMPLAINTS.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON LIKE HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE GET OR HOW MANY VISITS WE'VE HAD TO MAKE THE CHICKEN OWNERS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF? DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THAT ON HAND? AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT QUESTION.
IT JUST HIT ME BECAUSE IT WAS REFERRED TO, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILMAN HUTCHER WRITER HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, HEARING THAT.
I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, I KNOW COUNCILMAN CORCORAN SAID HE HADN'T HEARD ANY EITHER.
SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS OR IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DIVIDE IS THERE.
OBVIOUSLY WE ALL HEAR ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS 'CAUSE WE LIVE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
BUT, UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WERE ANY NUMBERS THERE THAT Y'ALL HAD.
I DON'T HAVE THEM ON HAND AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR DOING THAT.
UM, BUT CURIOUS AND, UH, THANK YOU MS. JUSTICE.
YEAH, I AGREE ABOUT THE BALANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IF WE WANNA TIE IT TO THE, THE PETS LIKE COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN WRITER SAID, IN ORDER TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE, I'M FOR IT.
I THINK THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS AN ISSUE TO THE POINT THAT MR. MAGNER MADE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE CREATING WHOLE NEW PROCESSES IF WE'RE GONNA NOW NEED MORE STAFF, WHICH NORA WOULD LOVE, I'M SURE IF WE COULD GIVE HER MORE STAFF MEMBERS.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT JUST CREATES A LOT MORE WORK THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO STAFF.
AND SO I DON'T RECOMMEND GOING THAT ROUTE.
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WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGETAND SO I THINK THE, THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THIS IS WHAT EXACTLY WHAT MR. MAGNER SAID.
WHEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM PROPERTY, WE HAVE SOMETHING IN AN ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN USE TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
AND SO I THINK, UH, TONIGHT WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING DIRECTION TO STAFF ABOUT WHAT EDITS TO MAKE.
THERE WAS ONE EARLIER THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA TAKE AWAY, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE AND BALANCE, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, GO WITH COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER'S IDEA AND SAY, IF WE ALLOW EIGHT PETS, THEN WE CAN ALLOW EIGHT CHICKENS AND FOLKS CONSIDER 'EM TO BE PETS.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD COMPROMISE.
AND THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION I WOULD PROVIDE STAFF SO THAT WHEN YOU BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN GET THIS DONE AND DUSTED BECAUSE THEY NEED THESE RESOURCES, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE EFFECTIVELY AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY BALANCE AND COMPROMISE IDENTITY.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THE, THE TWO THOUGHTS I HAVE IS ONE, I'M, IF WE INCREASE IT TO EIGHT, GREAT.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK STARTING, ALTHOUGH FOR IT EITHER WAY, RIGHT? IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD ALL HAVE A A SEVEN PERSON CONSENSUS ON HERE.
SO I MEAN, IF IT, IF WE START LIKE WE DID WITH AIRBNBS, WE DID HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS AND, AND IN A WAY THEY WERE ONE SIZE IF FITS ALL RESTRICTIONS.
WE JUST STARTED FROM A PLACE OF WE'RE GONNA REGULATE IT LESS AND REEVALUATE TO SEE IF WE NEED TO REGULATE IT MORE.
SO IN THAT SPIRIT, I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH, WITH EVEN MORE THAN EIGHT.
IF THE COMPLAINTS DON'T GO DOWN, THEN WE REEVALUATE AND CUT IT AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THE ONLY, THE OTHER ONLY POINT I'LL MAKE ON HERE IS I SAY YOU SEE A PLANO, IT SAYS LIMITED 10 TOTAL ADULT ANIMALS, NOT 10 CHICKENS.
SO I MEAN, ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DALLAS, WHICH YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DALLAS, I MEAN, OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE ABOUT AS RESTRICTIVE AS, AS EIGHT CHICKENS, RIGHT? AND IN OUR ORDINANCE, ACTUALLY, I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE EIGHT CHICKENS AND TWO DOGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR EIGHT CHICKENS AND TWO CATS AND BE IN COMPLIANT.
SO IN A WAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY LESS RESTRICTIVE FROM, FROM THAT ANGLE.
MR. MARIOS, YOU HAVE ONE LAST THING TO SAY? YEAH, I JUST HAD, UM, I HAD A QUESTION.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO EIGHT CHICKENS, WOULD THEY ONLY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE MORE DOG OR WE'RE JUST SAYING EIGHT CHICKENS.
NOTHING, I JUST ANSWERED MINE.
I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH THIS.
UM, WHAT, HOW OFTEN DOES THIS GET REVIEWED? IS THIS A BIANNUAL, UH, I GUESS I'M THINKING IF WE, IF WE, IF THE FEEDBACK HERE IS EIGHT CHICKENS, UM, IS IT ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHEN CAN, AND YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN CAN IT BE REVIEWED? WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WE CAN, TO HIS POINT, IT WAS REVIEWED AND THEN ADJUSTED.
WHAT, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS WE, WE CAN DO A ONE YEAR CHECK-IN AND, AND PROVIDE JUST A, A, A SUMMARY REPORT TO THE COUNCIL STATING, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVED, WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE, IF WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD ANY, ANY, UM, CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE REALITY OF THIS IS, IS, IS AS FOLLOWS, SOMEBODY WHO IS 10 CHICKENS AFTER THIS ORDINANCE PASSES AND WHO IS DOING A GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THEM AND NOT CREATING A PROBLEM FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS, WE WILL NEVER KNOW.
AND WE DON'T HAVE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT JUST TO GO ONTO SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY AND INSPECT IT.
SO A GOOD CHICKEN OWNER, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY CHICKENS THEY HAVE, WE WILL NEVER, WE WILL NEVER BECOME AWARE OF THAT.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY TIME WE'LL BECOME AWARE OF IT IS IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT AND WE INVESTIGATE AND THERE'S PROBABLE CAUSE TO REQUEST AN ADMINISTRATIVE SEARCH WARRANT OR INSPECTION WARRANT, AND THEN WE GO ON THE PROPERTY AND WE FIND THAT THE CONDITIONS DON'T COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE, OTHERWISE, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE MOOT.
I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY FOR THAT, THIS IS REALLY TO CODIFY A STRATEGY FOR DEALING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, ISSUES THAT RIGHT NOW WE CAN DEAL WITH, BUT NOT AS EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE THEY ARE GENERIC IN NATURE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, A A A CHICKEN OWNER WHO HAS ONE MORE CHICKEN OR TWO MORE CHICKENS, OR EVEN THREE OR FOUR MORE CHICKENS THAT IS DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT AND NOT CREATING ISSUES, THE CITY WILL NEVER KNOW THAT, AND THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY JUST TO DECIDE TO GO ON AND INSPECT IT.
THEY WOULD'VE TO BE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR US TO OBTAIN AN INSPECTION WARRANT TO DO THAT.
SO, AND THAT PROBABLE CAUSE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME, SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THEM VIOLATING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE STANDARDS AND IN SOME WAY.
AND SO AGAIN, I, I THINK LIKE, LIKE MANY OF OUR, OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES, PARTICULARLY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND HEALTH REALM, WE REALLY ADOPT, FOR THE EXCEPTION, NOT NOT WHAT WE'LL BE, NOT WHAT WE'LL REALLY FIND OR ENCOUNTER, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME.
THE EXCEPTION BEING SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST DOING, NOT DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD OTHERWISE DO TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
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I, SORRY, I STILL HAVE ONE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THAT.UM, SO LET'S SAY I HAVE, I HAVE 12 CHICKENS, RIGHT? AND MY NEIGHBOR, I MEAN, LET'S SAY MY NEIGHBOR WOULD BE THE ONE CALLING ME, CALLING IT IN AND, UH, COMPLAINING, UM, THAT I HAVE 12 CHICKENS VERSUS EIGHT.
UM, WHAT, AND YOU COME OUT, WHAT IS THE PROCESS THERE? IS IT LIKE A TICKET, YOU HAVE X AMOUNT OF DAYS? I MEAN, HOW IS THIS NORMALLY HANDLED? I GUESS JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND SO THAT THOSE IN AUDIENCE AND AT HOME UNDERSTAND, HEY, IF I HAVE THIS AND I DO HAVE A COMPLAINT, IS THERE AN APPEAL PROCESS? IS THERE AN ADJUSTMENT PERIOD? IS THERE A 90 DAY WARNING, OR AM I EXPECTED TO DISPATCH A CHICKENS ON THE SPOT? WELL, NOT THE LAST ONE FOR SURE, RIGHT?
SO LIKE, LIKE WITH MANY OF OUR, OF OUR, OF OUR ORDINANCES, WHETHER IT BE A NUISANCE ORDINANCE OR YOU, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TAKE AN EDUCATION FIRST APPROACH ON, ON EVERYTHING, RIGHT? UM, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT EASY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S NOT A THREE DAYS TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHICH, WHICH HES HAVE TO GO.
UM, IT'S, THERE'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, A WEEK, 10 DAYS, AND YOU CALL US AND SAY, HEY, I NEED AN EXTENSION.
I, I'VE GOT SOMETHING IN THE WORKS, BUT IT'S NOT FOR SURE YET.
WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU JUST LIKE WE DO WITH MANY OF OUR CODE RULES OR MANY OF OUR OTHER, UH, HEALTH RELATED RULES.
UM, IF, IF YOU'RE WORKING ON RESOLVING THE ISSUE, THAT'S ALWAYS THE FIRST STEP IN, IN HOW WE ADDRESS ANY PROBLEM.
YEAH, MY, MY VOTE WOULD BE 10 JUST BECAUSE A FAMILY OF FOUR WOULD HAVE, UM, TWO EGGS A DAY, AND THEN ASSUMING THEY'RE ALL LAYING AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE HAD TO PICK A NUMBER OUTTA THE AIR, I'D SAY 10.
AND IF WE COULD REVIEW THAT IN A YEAR, IF THAT'S TOO MUCH, THEN LET'S REVIEW IT IN A YEAR, GET SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
UM, AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, TOO LITTLE, THEN WE WOULD APPROACH THAT TOO.
LIKE, LET'S, I WOULD, AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER COMING UP TO EIGHT, AND I UNDERSTAND HIS REASONING.
UH, I THINK, AND WHILE AN ANIMAL WOULD BE LOVED LIKE A PET, UH, I THINK THOSE WHO HAVE CHICKENS DO LOVE THEIR ANIMALS LIKE A PET.
I THINK FROM THE EGG PERSPECTIVE AND THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T ALL LAY EVERY DAY, THEY, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK A 10 IS A MUCH MORE REASONABLE AND LET'S, LET'S GIVE IT A YEAR.
AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN IT DOESN'T WORK AND WE GO DOWN TO EIGHT OR SIX OR UP TO 12 OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT IF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD SUPPORT, UH, 10 FOR THE FIRST YEAR, I, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT JUST TO GET INTO THAT DOUBLE DIGIT AND ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING IT FOR EGG REASONS, NOT JUST 'CAUSE THEY'D LIKE A FEATHERY CHICKEN AND WANNA HUG IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I, I, I'D WANNA STICK TO EIGHT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO STICK TO EIGHT THAT WAY IT'S FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD.
NO ONE COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL THEN HOW COME I CAN'T HAVE 10 DOGS AND CATS? SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY DISCUSSION POINT, IS LET'S, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ORDINANCE, MAKE IT FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY, I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENTS, UH, COUNCILMAN MARIOS, BUT I, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
AND LIVESTOCK IS NORMALLY HANDLED DIFFERENTLY, LIKE HORSES.
WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT HORSES ORDINANCE THAN WE DO.
'CAUSE LIVESTOCK IS HANDLED DIFFERENTLY THAN CATS AND DOGS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO DON'T MENTION REPTILES OR, UH, BIRDS, UH, EXOTIC BIRDS IN HERE AND PARROTS.
I HAD A PAR AS A KID AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF CHICKENS THAT WHEN I WAS A KID, I GUARANTEE YOU MY PARROT WAS A LOT LOUDER THAN MY CHICKENS.
UM, SO LIVE SOCK IS NORMALLY HANDLED DIFFERENTLY, SO THAT WOULD NOT BE SAID IN BY DOING THAT.
WELL, OKAY, WE GOTTA BEAT THIS TO DEATH.
UH, BILL NORA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I WANNA GO BACK TO ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SLIDES OF THE NIGHT, Y'ALL STATED, AND IT WAS IN THE PRINT THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW BEST PRACTICES, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW SAFETY, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE CURRENT AND CLEAR RULES.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY CRITICAL THINGS THAT SPEAK LOUDLY AND IT TAKES ALL THE GRAY AREA OUT TO OUR CITIZENS.
I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I HOPE THAT OUR COMMISSION HAS LISTENED WELL, AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING, SEEING WHAT YOU HAVE AS FAR AS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO APPROVE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UM, IF I HAD TO VOTE TONIGHT, I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MR. HUT WRITER SAID, IF THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD PLACE TO START BASED ON WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I LIKE THE SAFETY PIECE, I LIKE THE CLARITY, AND I LIKE BEST PRACTICES THAT ARE ALL ALREADY ESTABLISHED ACROSS THE STATE.
AND WE HAVE A DOCTOR OF VETERINARIAN ON THE BOARD THAT'S HERE THAT CAN MAYBE CLARIFY SOME OF THAT IN THE FUTURE AS WE GO ON TO MAKE THIS FINAL DECISION.
MR. MAGNER? NO, NO, I, I APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR, WE'VE GOT TWO EDITS TO THE RED LINE THAT WE PROVIDED YOU TONIGHT.
UH, ONE, UH, FROM COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, AND THE OTHER IS, UH, SIX TO EIGHT ON THE PERMITTED,
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UH, PERMISSIBLE NUMBER OF, UH, PENS, CHICKEN SMITH.APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOROUGH EVALUATION OF THAT.
[6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE SHERRILL PARK GOLF COURSE 2 RENOVATION AND GOLF RATES ]
ALL RIGHTY, WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CHERYL PARK GOLF COURSE, COURSE TWO, RENOVATION AND GOLF RATES.THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, MAYOR, UH, AND COUNSEL.
EXCITED, UH, TO HAVE, UH, RONNIE GLANTON, OUR, UH, CHERYL PARK GOLF PRO HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
HE'S GONNA TEAM UP WITH KENT FILE.
UH, RONNIE IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW FOR YOU OF, UH, THE COURSE TWO, UH, PROJECT THAT IS, UH, UNDERWAY, AND THEN IMPORTANTLY, LIKE WE DO IN SO MANY OTHER REALMS, UH, AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT SOME, UM, OF THE CURRENT, UM, FEES AT CHERYL PARK, AND, UH, MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS TO YOU AS PART OF OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, WHICH AGAIN, JUST IN, UH, TWO SHORT WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, WE'LL BE KICKING OFF WITH THE WORKSHOP, UH, AS, UH, MAKE SOME FEE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS WE, UH, FINALIZE, UH, OUR, OUR BUDGET, UH, PRESENTATIONS AND, AND RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
SO, KENT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR BRIEFING.
BE, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT, RONNIE, AND ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING AT CHERYL PARK, SO CERTAINLY THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR, UH, GOALS AND STRATEGIES, UH, SPECIFICALLY AROUND CAPITAL PLANNING FEES AND FUND BALANCES.
AND, UH, TONIGHT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OUR COURSE TWO RENOVATION, AND THEN WE'LL DIVE INTO A REVIEW OF OUR GOLF RATES AS WE PREPARE FOR OUR UPCOMING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO RONNIE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, IF YOU RECOLLECT THE LAST TIME, COURSE NUMBER TWO WAS RENOVATED WAS IN 2001, AND OUR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TEAM CONSISTS OF, WE BRING WOLFFER GOLF DESIGN, THEY'RE THE ARCHITECTS FOR THE COURSE, SO KIND OF FIGURING OUT PLAYABILITY, UH, FRIES AND NICHOLS HAS HAVE BEEN THE ENGINEERS ON THE MAJOR DRAINAGE, UH, DESIGN WORK AT THE COURSE.
AND THEN LANDSCAPES, UH, UNLIMITED IS OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND GREEN SCAPES IS A SUBCONTRACTOR DOING THE CONSTRUCTION WORK.
IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE, THE BUDGET FOR THE THE CONSTRUCTION IS $9 MILLION.
I'VE GOT THE DESIGN FEATURES HERE, AND RONNIE'S GONNA TALK THROUGH THESE SPECIFICALLY HERE IN A FEW SLIDES.
BUT JUST ALSO AS A REMINDER, WE KICKED THIS PROJECT OFF IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO GET THE COURSE OPEN BY OCTOBER 1ST, BUT WE'VE HAD 23 DAYS OF RAIN DELAYS AND A FEW OTHER DELAYS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK, UH, REALISTICALLY, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT NOVEMBER 1ST AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO RONNIE AND RON, LET YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THE RENOVATION.
MAYOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, LIKE KEN ALLUDED TO, HAPPY TO BE HERE, DISCUSS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO CHERYL PARK.
IT'S A HUGE COMMITMENT THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S MADE TO OUR FACILITY, AND IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
UH, AS KEN ALLUDED TO HERE, UH, HERE'S A SLIDE ON DRAINAGE, UH, IS A HUGE COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT.
UH, FREEZING NICKELS, UH, DID DO OUR DRAINAGE PLAN, AND WE HAD AREAS THAT WAS REALLY STRUGGLING.
WE, WE ADDRESSED ABOUT 20 BASINS.
HERE'S WHAT OUR BASINS, UH, USED TO LOOK LIKE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE NO GRASS, NO VEGETATION.
UH, THIS AREA DID, DOESN'T SURFACE DRAIN.
UH, THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT IS A NEWLY SOD BASIN THAT WE JUST, UH, PUT IN AND WE ADDRESSED ALL THESE BASINS, AND ALL OF 'EM WILL LOOK LIKE THIS AT THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
UH, HERE'S A PART OF THE MITIGATION PERMIT THAT THE, UH, UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS APPROVED.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS LAKE HERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY SILTED IN, UH, WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION OVER HERE, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS PHOTO, WHICH IS, UH, UNIVERSITY STATES.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE AND FEEDS THIS LAKE.
SO THIS LAKE HERE TOOK ON A LOT OF SEDIMENT, AND THROUGH 23 YEARS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAKE.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE LAKE LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
WE DID DREDGE IT OUT, DEEPENED THE LAKE.
UH, THESE SLOPES ARE FOUR TO ONE GRADE, SO IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAPPENS TO SLIP INTO THE LAKE, HE DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT DOWN THE BOTTOM, HE SLIDES DOWN.
SO WE PUT THAT IN FOR SAFETY REASONS, WHICH I THINK IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.
UH, HERE'S, HERE'S, UH, A SLIDE AGAIN ON, ON THE MITIGATION PERMIT.
WE HAVE A LAKE THAT SITS RIGHT HERE CURRENTLY, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT LAKE OUT, WHICH YOU SEE HERE IN THIS PHOTO BELOW.
WE'VE CURRENTLY FILLED THAT LAKE IN, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT TO WHERE THE GOHO COULD FEASIBLY HAVE TWO FAIRWAYS.
THIS TREE WOULD SIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FAIRWAY, AND WE'D HAVE A FAIRWAY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE GOLF HOLE AND A FAIRWAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GOLF HOLE.
AND HERE IS WHAT THE GREEN LOOKS LIKE, AND
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WE ADDED THIS GREEN SIDE BUNKER, AND IT'S REALLY WILL IMPACT THE PLAYABILITY OF THE GOLF HOLE.AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S THE TEEN GROUND, THESE FOUR AREAS HERE, WE HAVE A LAKE HERE AND ALREADY A LAKE LEFT HERE OF THE GOLF HOLE.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE IN THE PLAYABILITY OF HOLE NUMBER TWO.
I WILL HAVE TO, UH, COMMEND OUR, UH, CITV DEPARTMENT.
UH, WHAT WHAT WE DID HERE WAS WE WENT FROM THE, UH, CREEK TO THE GREEN, AND WE BUILT A LITTLE SPINE, KIND OF RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE HERE, WHERE ALL THE WATER ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS FAIRWAY WITH SURFACE DRAIN INTO SPRING CREEK.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN SPRING CREEK CREST, YOU KNOW, THE WATER STARTS FLOWING OUT AND, AND IT REALLY INUNDATES THE GOLF COURSE AT A, AT A, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE WATER.
SO ALL THIS WATER HERE WILL SURFACE DRAIN TO THE LEFT.
THIS SPINE HERE WILL CREATE SURFACE DRAINAGE TO THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, THAT BASIN'S IN THAT FAIRWAY, OKAY, ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO THAT'S THE KINDA WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TO ENHANCE OUR DRAINAGE AT THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.
WE WANT EVERYTHING TO LOOK LIKE THIS AND NOT LIKE THIS RIGHT HERE.
UH, THIS IS A, A PHOTO OF OUR EXISTING BUNKERS HERE ON THE LEFT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE SOME REAL HIGH FLASHINGS IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS HARD TO MAINTAIN EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
ALL THIS SAND WASHES DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BUNKER.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S THE NEW DESIGN.
WE PUT DOWN GRASS, DOWN FACES AND JUST SAND IN THE LOWER PART OF THE BUNKER.
SO WHEN IT RAINS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WASHOUT.
SO THERE'S VERY LESS MAINTENANCE FOR US.
AND IT'S ALSO, UH, WE'RE PUTTING IN, UH, BILLY BUNKER, WHICH IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE, UH, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DRAINAGE IN THESE BUNKERS, UH, ON COURSE TWO.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.
AND, AND FROM A PLAYABILITY STANDPOINT, ALONG WITH MAINTENANCE, HERE'S A PHOTO OF OUR GREENS.
THIS IS THE 18TH GREEN, WHICH WE JUST RECENTLY RIGGED ABOUT 15 DAYS AGO.
UH, HERE'S A, A AERIAL PHOTO OF IT.
WHAT WE DID WITH OUR GREENS IS WE WENT DOWN 12 INCHES INTO THE SEED BED AND, AND, AND BASICALLY USED SAND.
AND PETE MOSS, WHICH IS USGA SPECIFICATIONS, WHICH THEY REQUIRE TO BUILD A NEW GREEN.
I WILL SAY THAT A-U-S-G-A SPEC GREEN TAKES LONGER TO GROW IN THAN A NO-TILL GREEN.
A NO-TILL GREEN MEANS THAT USE, YOU USE THE EXISTING, UH, SEED BED TO SPRIG, BUT WHEN YOU GO IN AND YOU PUT A 12 INCH, UH, SEEDBED IN, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR THIS GRASS TO COME IN.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE LIKE NOVEMBER 1ST VERSUS OCTOBER 1ST.
THE OTHER REASON IS THE FACT WE HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RAIN IN MAY, AND WE LOST A LOT OF DAYS OF CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THAT.
HERE'S YOUR AERIAL PHOTO OF HOLE FOUR.
UH, THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO GRASP THIS ON WEDNESDAY.
AND, UH, WHAT WHAT WE DID HERE WAS WE HAD A BIG HUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS FAIRWAY, AND WHEN YOU STOOD ON THIS T YOU COULD NOT SEE THE FRONT PART OF THAT GREEN.
SO NOW WHEN WE CHANGED THE, THE GRAY OF THAT FAIRWAY, YOU CAN STAND ON THESE TEES HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE GREEN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT TO THE GOLF HOLE.
ALSO, WHAT WE DID WAS WE ADDED TEES LEFT OF THE EXISTING TEES, AND THAT'S AN ELEVATED AREA THAT'S PROBABLY EIGHT TO 10 FEET IN ELEVATION.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK DOWN ON THIS SCREEN FROM THOSE LEFT TEES AND IT'LL GIVE THESE GOLFERS A DIFFERENT LOOK ON PLAYING THIS GOLF HOLE.
UH, LASTLY HERE, HERE'S THE IRRIGATION PUP HOUSE, WHICH I THINK IS JUST AN UNBELIEVABLE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE FACILITY.
WE DID UPGRADE THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING, IT WAS PRETTY DILAPIDATED AND THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.
WE INSTALLED A NEW Z PIPE, OUR OLD Z PIPE, UH, HAD SOME REPAIRS DONE TO IT AND UH, IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE UPGRADED.
THIS HADN'T BEEN UPGRADED IN 23 YEARS.
SO, UH, HERE'S OUR NEW PUMP STATION.
WE HAVE 2 75 HORSE PUMPS AND ONE 50 HORSE JOCKEY PUMP, AND IT ENABLES US
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TO PUMP ABOUT 1200 GALLONS A MINUTE ONTO THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD, REALLY, REALLY GOOD.BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO KENT, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ON ANY OF THE UPGRADES? COUNSEL, MR. RICHARD RIDER, ONE WORD.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR WILL GREAT, GREAT WORK.
I'M GONNA GOFER, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU MAKE IMPROVEMENT BASED ON EXPERIENCE, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD IMPROVEMENT.
UH, AND COULD YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF YOUR SLIDE? I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, SINCE WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? JUST TELL ME WHEN TO STOP.
IT SAID DRAINAGE HOLES ONE AND SEVEN.
UH, THIS ONE HERE? YEAH, THIS ONE? YES.
WHAT IS THAT MIDDLE THING ON THE RIGHT SIDE? I KNOW THIS HERE.
WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THAT GRATE.
SEE, THIS IS THE GRATE OF THE AREA THAT'S NOT BEEN SURFACE TRAINING.
OH, SO IT USED TO DRAIN THERE.
HOW, WHAT ARE THE SIZE OF THAT ONE? ANY IDEA? THIS ONE HERE IS A SMALLER ONE.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIGGER GRATES.
THIS IS PROBABLY ABOUT A FOUR FOOT GRATE, AND THIS IS PROBABLY ABOUT TWO FOOT GRATE BY HALF THE SIZE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING, UH, THIS IS A NEW IMPROVEMENT THERE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
THIS ONE HERE IS ON HOLE 17, AND THIS ONE HERE IS ON HOLE 11.
JUST KINDA LIKE THAT AERIAL VIEW THAT, UH, WE LOOKED AT HERE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT SMALLER GRADE IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SPINE BEING DOWN THE MORE THE MIDDLE OF THE FAIRWAY HERE AND, UH, WHEN WE GET TO DOING THIS ONE HERE, WE'LL BE, THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT.
THIS IS ALL GONNA BE SLOTTED IN ONCE THEY GRADE THIS DEGRADE AND THEY GET EVERYTHING TO SURFACE DRAIN INTO THAT BASIN.
WELL, JUST A QUESTION OR SOMETHING TO OBSERVE IN THE FUTURE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT, WOULD THERE BE POSSIBILITY OF THIS THING GET CLOGGED, UH, NOT CLOGGED, SOMETHING LIKE BLOCK WITH THE GRASS AND THINGS ON THE TOP SO THAT IT'LL STOP DRAINING? THAT COULD HAPPEN.
SO WHAT WE DO IS BA BA BASICALLY POP THAT LID OFF AND THEN WE, WE CAN RUN AN AQUA QUICK WITH THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, STUCK IT DOWN, STICK IT DOWN INTO THE DRAIN, AND YOU CAN FLUSH IT RIGHT OUT.
ALL THIS RIGHT HERE THAT, THAT DRAIN LINE THERE GOES INTO SPRING CREEK, THAT BIG CREEK THAT YOU SAW EARLIER.
YEAH, ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE GOES INTO THAT CREEK RIGHT THERE.
SO ALL THE DRAINAGE PIPES FEED INTO SPRING CREEK, THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING EXITS TO.
THOSE, UH, CAPS FOR THOSE BASINS IS YOU, WE CAN POP 'EM OFF AND DO THAT.
UH, LOOKS LIKE NICE HILL THERE.
RONNIE, WHILE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE, DO YOU HAVE, UM, LINES THAT WATER GOES INTO OTHER THAN THAT DRAIN THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THAT LEAD BACK TO THAT MAIN PIPE TO DRAIN OFF OR, I KNOW THEY DO THAT SOMETIMES AT ARTIFICIAL FIELDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE WHERE YOU HAVE HEAVY WATER RETENTION OR IT DID THAT TYPE THING TO KEEP IT FROM ERODING OUT LATER? YEAH, SO WE HAVE A JUNCTION BOX ON BETWEEN HOLE AND ONE AND 17 WHERE ALL THE MAIN LINE DRAINAGE RUNS TO OKAY.
AND THEN EXITS OUT INTO SPRING CREEK.
WE HAVE A 36 INCH PIPE THAT EVERYTHING FEEDS INTO AT THE JUNCTION BOX.
AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS THE COURSE WILL NOT DRAIN UNTIL SPRING CREEK DRAINS.
IF SPRING CREEK IS CRESTED, THEN ALL THOSE BASINS ARE FILLED UP UNTIL THOSE BASINS ARE ARE, UH, UNTIL THAT CREEK GOES DOWN TO NORMAL LEVEL, ALL THE BASINS WILL DRAIN.
IF IT'S AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE CREEK, THE WATER SITS UNTIL THAT WATER GOES DOWN IN THAT CREEK.
SO THAT CREEK DICTATES A LOT OF OUR, ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE ON, ON BOTH COURSES.
I MEAN THAT, THAT SPRING CREEK IS, IS A MONSTROUS CREEK.
AND, AND THAT CONTROLS OUR WATER LEVELS THROUGHOUT THE GOLF COURSE ON BOTH OF THEM.
BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS WE USED TO HAVE A, A, A 12 INCH PIPE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A JUNCTION BOX BEFORE ALL THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED DURING THIS RENOVATION.
SO I'D LIKE TO TRANSITION INTO OUR RATE PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
AND AS I DO THAT, UM, I THINK IT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON WHAT OUR USAGE LEVELS ARE.
SO WE ENDED LAST YEAR WITH 97,403 ROUNDS.
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IF YOU LOOK OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THAT'S REALLY AN AVERAGE OF JUST OVER 95,000 ROUNDS.SO IF COVID WAS GOOD AT ALL, IT WAS GOOD TO GOLF.
THE, UH, THE, THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY FOR I THINK COURSES REALLY AROUND THE COUNTRY HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY AND CHERYL PARK HAS BENEFITED FROM THAT.
PRIOR TO COVID, WE WERE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, MID 70,000 ROUNDS.
SO WE'VE INCREASED OUR AVERAGE ROUNDS ABOUT 20,000 IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE PORTION THERE.
COURSE ONE WE HAVE, WE'VE AVERAGED LAST FOUR YEARS, RIGHT AROUND 52,000 ROUNDS.
SO THIS YEAR WITH COURSE TWO CLOSE SINCE JANUARY.
AS OF JUNE WE'RE AT 52,000 ROUNDS.
NOW THAT INCLUDED THREE MONTHS OF COURSE TOO, BUT WE REALLY THINK WE'LL PROBABLY END THIS YEAR IF, IF THE WEATHER HOLDS AT ABOUT 65,000 TO 68,000 ROUNDS FOR THIS YEAR.
SO I'VE GOT SLIDES THAT ARE COMING UP WITH A LOT OF NUMBERS IN, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST THE PURPOSE OF OUR RATE INCREASES.
WE'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING SOME RATE INCREASES TONIGHT.
AND REALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER AND, AND THINK ABOUT AS WE DO THAT IS, CHERYL PARK IS REALLY A COMMUNITY AMENITY, MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER PARK, UH, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT ITS OPERATIONS AND ITS CAPITAL EXPENSES.
THE TWO MAJOR REVENUE SOURCES IN OUR GOLF FUND ARE GREEN FEES AND GOLF CART RENTALS.
WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER REVENUE SOURCES THAT ARE SMALLER, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, PEOPLE ARE COMING TO SHELL PARK TO GOLF AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPENDING ON THAT GREEN FEE AND THAT GOLF CART RENTAL.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO THINK THROUGH AS WE TALK ABOUT RATE INCREASES IS WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND PROVIDES.
SHELL PARK FOR GOLF OPERATIONS.
SO THAT'S THINGS LIKE OUR MOWERS, OUR, OUR LARGER CAPITAL EQUIPMENT IF YOU WILL.
UM, ALSO UNEXPECTED EVENTS, UH, WIND STORMS, UH, FLOODING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TREES GO DOWN, WE HAVE TREES THAT FALL INTO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE.
IT REALLY WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A RESERVE TO KIND OF HELP FUND SOME OF THOSE UNEXPECTED COSTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND I OR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT HERE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO AS WE LOOKED AT RATES, UH, WE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE FOLLOWING THREE TO FOUR CATEGORIES.
UH, GOLF CART RENTAL RATES, UH, GREEN FEES, AND THEN THE RESIDENT DISCOUNT.
AND THAT'S A DISCOUNT ON THE GREEN FEE.
UH, AND THEN THE DRIVING RANGE, A MUCH SMALLER PORTION OF OUR RED REVENUE, BUT WE HAVEN'T INCREASED DRIVING RANGE FEES IN A WHILE.
SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AFTER WE CONSIDER THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AND OUR CAPITAL EXPENSES AND TRYING TO BUILD A RESERVE.
WE DO TRY TO KEEP IN MIND KIND OF THAT OUR RATE STRATEGIES NEED TO BE CONTEXTUAL TO SOME OF THE OTHER AREA COURSES.
WE DON'T WANNA PRICE OURSELF OUT OF THE MARKET.
UH, WE WANNA MAINTAIN A VALUE FOR PLAYERS RELATIVE TO OTHER COURSES IN THE AREA.
SO I'VE GOT SOME SURVEY KIND OF WORK IN HERE, UH, COMPARED TO SOME OTHER COURSES AS WELL.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO START WITH IS OUR GOLF CART RATES JUST UNDER 80% OF GOLFERS AT CHERYL PARK USE A GOLF CART.
SO THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF OUR PLAYERS.
THE GOLF, UH, CART RATE MAKES UP ABOUT 26% OF THE REVENUE IN THE GOLF FUND THIS PAST YEAR.
ONE OF THE MAJOR EXPENSE DRIVERS OR MAJOR EXPENSE INCREASES, UH, WE, WE EXPECT THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK DELIVERY OF 90 CARTS.
AND, UH, THE CONTRACT FOR THOSE 90 CARTS CAME IN $37,000 MORE A YEAR THAN OUR PRIOR CONTRACT FOR THOSE SAME 90 CARTS.
WE ALSO KEPT THOSE PRIOR CARTS MUCH LONGER.
UH, SOME OF THAT WAS DUE TO COMING OUT OF COVID AND THE AVAILABILITY OF GAR GOLF CARTS, BUT COSTS HAVE GONE UP SUBSTANTIALLY.
IF WE WOULD'VE GONE WITH THE NEXT, UH, LOWEST PRICE VENDOR, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A 79% INCREASE FOR THOSE 90 CARTS.
SO AGAIN, OUR CART RATE REALLY NEEDS TO HELP.
IT'S 26% OF OUR REVENUE NEEDS TO HELP COVER OUR OPERATIONAL COSTS AS WELL AS OUR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT COSTS.
AND WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONTRIBUTE TO HELP BUILDING A RESERVE HERE AS WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE.
SO THE GOLF CART RATE ITSELF, RIGHT NOW, OUR CURRENT RATE IS $16 AND 24 CENTS, INCLUDING SALES TAX.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, WE'RE BELOW KIND OF OUR AREA COURSE AVERAGE BY A DOLLAR 30.
OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO INCREASE, UH, THAT BY $1 AND 76 CENTS.
THAT PUTS US KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, IF YOU WILL, THERE FROM A GOLF CART RATE STANDPOINT.
UH, IF WE INCREASE THAT BASED ON KIND OF A THREE YEAR AVERAGE OF 95,000 ROUNDS, OUR REVENUE WOULD INCREASE ABOUT $83,496.
SO KEEP THAT GOLF CART FEE IN MIND AT $18.
AS I MOVE INTO GREEN FEES, THAT FEE IS ADDED TO THE GREEN FEE IF A PERSON RENTS A CARD.
SO I'LL EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AS I MOVE FORWARD HERE.
SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE INTO GREEN FEES AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SIMILAR CHARTS.
ONE FOR COURSE OR SOME CHARTS FOR COURSE ONE, AND THEN SOME CHARTS FOR COURSE TWO.
GREEN FEES ARE OUR LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE TO MAKE UP 68% OF OUR REVENUES, AND THEY CERTAINLY HELP WITH OUR EXPENSES OR OUR COST DRIVERS SUCH AS LABOR, CHEMICALS AND BOTANICAL EXPENSES, SUPPLIES AND TOOLS.
ALL OF THOSE COSTS, JUST AS YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF THE, THE LAST TWO YEARS IN THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, UH, INFLATION HAS HIT A LOT OF THAT HARD AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INFLATIONARY INCREASES IN OUR EXPENSES, JUST LIKE OTHER BUDGETS HERE AT THE CITY.
AND THEN I WOULD SAY THE OTHER COST DRIVERS THAT WE REALLY WANNA BE CONSCIOUS OF IS, AGAIN, ANNUAL
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EQUIPMENT AND CAPITAL MAINTENANCE.WE REALLY WOULD LIKE THE GOLF FUND TO START PAYING FOR ITS SHARE OF SOME MINOR CAPITAL RENOVATIONS AND SO FORTH, AS WELL AS OUR EQUIPMENT LIKE MOWERS.
SO I'VE GOT SIMILAR CHARTS HERE.
LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH COURSE NUMBER ONE.
UH, FEES FOR COURSE NUMBER ONE LAST INCREASED IN 2022.
UH, THIS IS THE WALK-IN RATE, SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CARTS.
AND IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THIS HERE, THERE'S KIND OF TWO HORIZONTAL GROUPINGS, WEEKDAY RATES AND WEEKEND RATES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEEKDAY RATE, THAT FIRST LINE, THE CURRENT RATE IS $32 AND 48 CENTS.
WE'RE PROPOSING $36, AND THAT'S A CHANGE OF $3 AND 52 CENTS.
AND YOU CAN LOOK DOWN THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES FOR BOTH WEEKDAY AND WEEKENDS AT 1130 AND AT FOUR O'CLOCK THERE'S A REDUCTION IN THE RATE, A TWILIGHT FEE, IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN SENIORS AND JUNIORS HAVE A RATE, UH, THAT THEY PAY ON WEEKDAYS.
NOW, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IN THIS CHART FOR COURSE NUMBER ONE IS TO TAKE THAT WEEKDAY RATE THAT YOU SAW AND THAT WEEKEND RATE THAT YOU SAW, THE RACK RATES, IF YOU WILL, AND WE'VE ADDED THE $18 TO IT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART HERE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, FOR THE EIGHT COURSES THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO COURSE NUMBER ONE, UH, OUR CURRENT RATE IS $8 AND 15 CENTS, UH, BELOW THE WEEKDAY AVERAGE AND $10 AND 52 CENTS BELOW THE WEEKEND AVERAGE.
WE'RE PROPOSING AN INCREASE OF $5 AND 28 CENTS, UH, FOR THE WEEKDAY RATE AND $6 AND 29 CENTS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S A COMBINED INCREASE FOR THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH THE CART RATE AND THE THE GREEN FEE RATE.
WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT PUTS US KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, IF YOU WILL, BUT COMPARABLE TO THE OTHER COURSES.
WE ALSO WITH COURSE NUMBER ONE, TRY TO BE CONSCIOUS OF SOME OF OUR, OUR VERY CLOSE COURSES.
SO IF YOU WILL, PLANO AND GARLAND, OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS THE ALLEN COURSE IS PRETTY COMPETITIVE.
SO THIS WOULD PUT US AT $54 FOR THE WEEKDAY RACK RATE AND $68 FOR THE WEEKEND RACK GRADE FOR COURSE ONE FOR COURSE TWO.
I I THINK ONE THING TO POINT OUT ABOUT COURSE NUMBER TWO THOUGH IS WE HAVE NOT INCREASED RATES ON COURSE NUMBER TWO FOR 13 YEARS.
AND SO PART OF THAT WAS WHEN WE INCREASED RATES IN 2016, WE WERE COMPETITIVE WITH ALL OF THE COURSES AROUND, AND WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF STAY KIND OF IN THAT COMPETITIVE RANGE.
IN 2022, WE WERE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BELOW, BUT WE KNEW WE WERE COMING INTO THE RENOVATION AND WE REALLY DID NOT WANT TO INCREASE RATES BEFORE THE RENOVATION.
WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO GO UP AFTER THE RENOVATION CONSIDERABLY, UM, DUE TO OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AND SO FORTH, THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH A NEW COURSE.
SO THESE ARE THE GRAIN FEES, IF YOU WILL, GOING UP SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN COURSE NUMBER ONE, UH, FOR COURSE NUMBER TWO.
NOW I HAVE THE SAME CHART HERE WHERE I ADD THE GOLF COURSE CART FEE IN OF $18 FOR COURSE NUMBER TWO.
AND YOU'LL SEE FOR THE COURSES WE COMPARE TO FOR COURSE NUMBER TWO, UH, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY BELOW THE WEEKDAY AVERAGE BY $4 AND 62 CENTS, AND THE WEEKEND AVERAGE BY $9 AND 32 CENTS.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE AVERAGE IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE COMING FRESH OFF OF A RENOVATION.
UM, AND, AND FEEL LIKE THIS PUTS US IN A COMPETITIVE PLACE WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER COURSES, WE, OUR RATE WOULD BE $47 ON A WEEKDAY, UH, AND $55 ON THE WEEKEND.
SO I WANNA DIVERT FROM GREEN FEES FOR A SECOND AND TALK ABOUT DRIVING RANGE RATES.
UH, THE DRIVING RANGE FEES LAST INCREASED IN 2016, AND AS WE LOOKED ACROSS THE AVERAGES, THERE'S TYPICALLY KIND OF THREE CATEGORIES, IF YOU WILL, FOR US.
OUR SMALL, UH, BUCKET OF BALLS IS 30 BALLS AND 60 AND THEN 90, IF YOU WILL, ACROSS THE MEDIUM AND AND LARGE RANGE HERE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO UP ESSENTIALLY ABOUT WHERE THE AVERAGE IS.
UH, FOR A SMALL BUCKET, WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO UP $1 FOR THE MEDIUM AND LARGE BUCKET, $3, AND THAT'S RIGHT KIND OF IN IN RANGE, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE AVERAGE OF THE OTHER COURSES.
OUR DRIVING RANGE RATES ARE ABOUT 2% OF OUR TOTAL REVENUE.
AND THEN LASTLY TONIGHT, I I WANT TO TALK, UH, OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ABOUT A RESIDENT DISCOUNT.
THIS IS A DISCOUNT THAT WE'VE ALWAYS PROVIDED RESIDENTS TO THE GREEN FEE, UH, SINCE 1973.
UH, WE'VE USED, UH, KIND OF OLDER TECHNOLOGY AT THIS POINT, BUT A PUNCH CARD, UH, TO OFFER THAT RESIDENT DISCOUNT.
I, I GOT A COPY OF THE CARDS UP HERE ALONG WITH THE TOOL WE USED TO PROCESS, UH, THOSE CARDS.
UH, BUT THAT RATE HAS NOT INCREASED IN 23 YEARS, SO IT'S BEEN A VERY NICE BENEFIT FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
THAT CARD IS NON-TRANSFERABLE.
UH, WHEN A PERSON PURCHASED THE CARD, THEY PAY SALES TAX FOR THE CARD AND PURCHASE IT IN FULL AND THEN THE CARD IS PUNCHED OUT, UH, AT THE VALUE, THE BASE VALUE AT THE TIME THEY USE THE CARD.
UH, CARDS MAKE UP ABOUT 14% OF OUR ROUNDS OR ABOUT 13,572 ROUNDS.
SO THE YELLOW CARD IS PURCHASED BY A RICHARDSON RESIDENT.
THEY CAN USE THAT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
UH, THEY PAY $216 AND 50 CENTS WITH SALES TAX.
THE VALUE OF THAT CARD FOR THEM AT PUNCH OUT IS $200.
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CAN PLAY COURSE ONE FOR $20 PER ROUND AND COURSE TWO FOR $15 PER ROUND.THE WHITE CARD IS A CARD THAT A SENIOR OR A JUNIOR CAN PURCHASE.
IT CAN ONLY BE USED ON THE WEEKDAYS AND THE PUNCH VALUE FOR THOSE CARDS, THEY CAN PLAY COURSE ONE FOR $10 AND THEY CAN PLAY COURSE TWO FOR $7 AND 50 CENTS.
SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A SENIOR TO MAYBE HAVE BOTH CARDS.
THEY'LL USE THE WHITE CARD ON THE WEEKDAY AND THEN THEY'LL USE THEIR YELLOW CARD ON THE WEEKEND TO GET THAT DISCOUNT.
SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT IS MOVING FROM THE PUNCH CARD TO A RESIDENT DISCOUNT THAT PAYMENT.
UM, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ADMINISTRATIVELY EASIER FOR US TO ADMINISTER WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE.
THEN ALSO, I, I THINK ONE MINOR BENEFIT MIGHT BE IT WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTS WHO MAYBE CAN'T, UH, PURCHASE A CARD UPFRONT OR DON'T WANNA PAY THAT LARGE AMOUNT UPFRONT TO RECEIVE A DISCOUNT AT TIME OF PAYMENT.
UH, WE WOULD PROPOSE HONORING EXISTING CARDS FOR TWO YEARS.
UM, AND JUST KIND OF FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART UP HERE, COMPARED TO SOME OTHER COURSES, IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT CHART, THERE'S FIVE COURSES THAT OFFER NO RESIDENT DISCOUNT.
CARROLLTON HAS A $5 DISCOUNT, AND THEN ALAN GARLAND AND GRAPE FINE ARE ALL IN THAT 20 TO 25% DISCOUNT RANGE.
AND SO THIS CHART UP HERE, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND TO EXPLAIN.
IT'S THE COURSE NUMBER ONE, AND THE COURSE NUMBER TWO IS KIND OF THE EQUIVALENT TO THE YELLOW CARD THAT I JUST WENT OVER WITH YOU.
THE SENIOR JUNIOR IS EQUIVALENT TO THE WHITE CARD, IF YOU WILL.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT RATES THERE, THAT'S OUR CURRENT RACK RATE.
I DO NOT HAVE SALES TAX INCLUDED HERE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO COMPARE SOME SALES TAX FOR THE CARD WAS PAID UP FRONT.
UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROUPINGS FOR CURRENT RATES, I'VE GOT THE CURRENT RATE HERE, THEN WHAT THE CURRENT PUNCH CARD RATE IS, WHAT THE SAVINGS IS, AND THAT'S THE CURRENT SAVINGS.
IT WAS 2001 RATE WAS LAST TIME IT CHANGED, BUT THAT IS THE CURRENT SAVINGS, IF YOU WILL.
SO FOR THAT COURSE, NUMBER ONE WEEKDAY, THAT FIRST LINE THERE, THERE'S A 33.3% SAVINGS.
MOVING ACROSS, YOU SEE THE, THE GROUPINGS FOR THE PROPOSED RATE.
SO THE NEW PROPOSED RATE FOR THAT WEEKDAY WOULD BE $33 AND 26 CENTS.
AND WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE FOR KIND OF THE YELLOW CARD EQUIVALENT HERE FOR THE RESIDENT WOULD BE A 25% DISCOUNT.
SO IN, IN THAT CASE IT WOULD BE $8 AND 32 CENTS.
UH, AND THEN IF YOU MOVE ACROSS, OVER TO THE, THE NEXT KIND OF GROUPING THERE, THE DISCOUNT, UH, OVER THE CARD, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S SHOWING RIGHT NOW WHAT OUR NEW RATE WOULD BE OR WITH THE DISCOUNT, UH, OVER THE CURRENT PUNCH CARD RATE.
SO THAT WOULD BE $4 AND 95 CENTS.
IF YOU MOVE DOWN TO THE SENIOR AND JUNIOR AREA THERE, WE WOULD PROPOSE A 35% DISCOUNT FOR THEM.
AND SO IF YOU'RE A SENIOR GOLFING COURSE NUMBER ONE ON A WEEKDAY, RIGHT NOW, THAT PUNCH VALUE IS WORTH $10.
YOUR CURRENT, UH, FEE AT THE REGISTER WOULD BE $13 AND 21 CENTS.
THAT WOULD GO UP $3 AND 21 CENTS.
AGAIN, THESE RATES HAVE NOT CHANGED HERE, UH, IN 23 YEARS.
AND SO TO KINDA SUM UP ALL OF THE RATE INCREASES HERE, UM, ANNUALIZED KIND OF USING AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 95,000 ROUNDS, OUR ESTIMATED FEE INCREASE WOULD BE $345,000, 500 OR 345, 570 $7,000.
UH, THE GOLF CART WOULD BE 83,496.
COURSE NUMBER ONE, A LITTLE MORE 89,000.
AND THEN THE DRIVING INCREASE WOULD AMOUNT TO $13,886.
THE RESIDENT DISCOUNT, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
SO IF YOU WERE TO ANNUALIZE THOSE INCREASES, IT WOULD AMOUNT TO $101,160.
BUT BECAUSE I THINK WE WOULD WANNA ALLOW EXISTING PUNCH CARD USE, I THINK THAT RATE WOULD NOT QUITE, YOU KNOW, BE EQUIVALENT TO THAT FOR AT LEAST PROBABLY TWO YEARS.
UM, I THINK THE OTHER THING JUST KIND OF TO, TO SUM UP HERE IS THESE INCREASES WE WOULD PLAN TO USE FOR OUR OPERATING COSTS IN, IN OUR INFLATIONARY PRESSURES.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO START USING AND PAY FOR OUR OWN EQUIPMENT, OUR MOWERS, OUR UTILITY CARTS, SOME OF OUR MAJOR TOOLS.
AND THEN WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF CREATE A SUSTAINABLE RESERVE WHERE HOPEFULLY EACH YEAR WE COULD START PUTTING IN THAT RESERVE 350,000 TO $600,000 TO BE USED AGAIN FOR THAT EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, FACILITY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS, AND WHAT I WOULD CALL MAYBE SOME OF OUR SMALLER TO MID-SIZE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
OUR CLUBHOUSE RESTROOMS IN THE NEAR FUTURE PROBABLY NEED TO BE RENOVATED.
UH, THE PAVILION PROBABLY COULD BE RENOVATED AT SOME POINT.
AND OUR COURSE NUMBER ONE, PUMPHOUSE WAS NEVER, UH, RENOVATED OR REPLACED IN 2015 WHEN THE COURSE ONE IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE.
AND THAT REALLY, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TIME FOR COURSE NUMBER ONE, PUMPHOUSE ARE STARTING TO HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF MAINTENANCE MONEY INTO THAT, UH, FACILITY.
SO IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, CERTAINLY TONIGHT, WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND THE RATE INCREASE AND THEN TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND BUILD ANY OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS INTO OUR GOLF, UH, OPERATING FUND BUDGET THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT HERE OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
UH, WE WOULD ADOPT THE RATE RESOLUTION ON SEPTEMBER 16,
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AND THEN START TO COMMUNICATE RATE INCREASES SUBSEQUENT TO BUDGET ADOPTION.AND THEN THE OTHER THING I THINK WE'D REALLY LIKE TO DO WITH THE GOLF COURSE IS REALLY START LOOKING AT A RATE REVIEW ANNUALLY.
23 YEARS OR 13 YEARS BETWEEN RATES IS A REALLY LONG TIME AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR OUR CONSUMERS AND OUR GOLFERS TO KIND OF BITE THAT OFF IN SMALLER CHUNKS IF WE HAVE TO MAKE RATE INCREASES.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL STOP AND WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND, AND ANY QUESTIONS? KENT RAMMY, GREAT PRESENTATION.
FIRST OF ALL, I, BEFORE I FORGET, I DO WANNA SAY I AGREE ANNUALLY WOULD BE A GREAT THING JUST, UH, NOT JUST TO LESSEN THE BITE, BUT TO CONTINUALLY REMAIN FISCALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE THERE.
UM, SO THAT THE FUND ACCOMPLISHES ITS GOALS AND WHAT'S NEEDED FOR LONG-TERM SURVIVAL.
UM, SE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST FOR CLARIFYING AND EXCUSE ME, OF THIS STUFF.
UH, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ALREADY KNOW, SENIOR, I KNOW IN LIKE THE SENIOR CENTER FIFTIES CONSIDERED SENIOR, WHAT'S CONSIDERED A SENIOR ON THE GOLF COURSE.
IS IT 65, WHICH IS MORE TRADITIONAL? OR DO WE 60 IS 60 IS SENIOR, I THINK IS WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR RESOLUTION.
AND THEN 17 IS A JUNIOR AND 17 IS WHAT? JUNIOR.
UM, WHY FOR THOSE WHO MAY FOLLOW, IF I'M CORRECT, THE GOLF COURSE TWO IS THE ONE UNDER RENOVATION.
IT'S, BUT IT SEEMS TO HAVE A SMALLER INCREASE NOW.
YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY WOULD A GOLF COURSE, THE COURSE TWO, WHICH WE'RE INVESTING SO MUCH MORE MONEY IN TO HAVE THE LESSER OF THE INCREASE.
CAN YOU HELP EXPLAIN, NOT JUST TO ME, BUT MAYBE THOSE WATCHING AT HOME, WHY THAT MIGHT DIFFERENTIATE? I THINK COURSE, SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, BUT I THINK COURSE TWO HAS THE LARGER RATE INCREASES HERE.
LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENT CHANGES OVER HERE, ARE YOU TALKING OKAY, BUT I'M SORRY.
UM, THE COURSE FEE FOR TWO IS LESS THAN COURSE ONE.
BUT ME THINKING, OKAY, COURSE ONE IS MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT WE JUST PUT ALL THE MONEY INTO COURSE TWO.
AND MAYBE RONNIE, THAT'S A BETTER QUESTION FOR YOU TO HELP EXPLAIN TO ME QUESTION.
UM, BASICALLY THE LENGTH OF THE GOLF COURSE REALLY DETERMINES THE RATE.
I MEAN, THE, THE MAXIMUM COURSE TWO CAN PLAY IS ROUGHLY 6,500 YARDS.
AND COURSE ONE YOU CAN PLAY IT UP TO 7,100 YARDS.
AND WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO COURSES, AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF EVENTS THAT WE, WE RUN AND WE MOST CONSUMERS WANNA PLAY, YOU KNOW, MOST CONSUMERS ARE, ARE WANNA PLAY A LONGER GOLF COURSE.
AND, AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PLAY COURSE ONE, IF YOU LIKE THE LAYOUT, YOU CAN PLAY IT AT 7,100 YARDS.
YOU CAN PLAY IT AT 6,600 YARDS.
YOU CAN PLAY AT 6,400 YARDS, 6,100 YARDS.
COURSE TWO, THE FURTHER YOU CAN PLAY IT BACK IS 6,500.
SO A GUY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSUMER THAT HITS IT LONG AND, AND, AND, AND WANTS SOMETHING LONGER, HE WON'T PLAY COURSE TWO.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE MR. HUTCHIN RIDER WHO BOMBS IT, WHO BOMBS IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE VARIANCE IS IN, IN, IN, IN THE TWO GOLF COURSES IS, IS THE LENGTH AND, AND, AND THE LAYOUT AS WELL.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY DESIGNED FOR I GUESS THE, UH, HIGHER LEVEL PLAYER.
UH, AND THEREFORE THE COST TENDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE.
SO IT'S RELATED TO THE PLAYABILITY AND NOT NECESSARILY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE PUT INTO IT.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, ON COURSE TWO, THE, THE DRAINAGE COMPONENT WAS ABOUT $3.5 MILLION OF THAT IM IMPROVEMENT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH, HOW IMPORTANT THAT DRAINAGE COMPONENT WAS TO THAT, TO THAT PROJECT.
UH, KENT, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE DISCOUNT FOR, UH, RESIDENTS VERSUS THE PUNCH CARD, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER OPERATIONALLY ON THE COURSE, UH, I GUESS TO TRACK OR TO IMPLEMENT, UM, IF I MAKE A RESERVATION FOR FOUR PEOPLE, 'CAUSE MY WIFE'S UH, COUSINS ARE IN TOWN OR SOMETHING FROM OUTTA STATE AND THEY WANT TO GO PLAY, UM, WOULD THEY RECEIVE MY DISCOUNT BECAUSE I'M THE RESIDENT AND OR IS IT ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE MUST SHOW ID, HOW IS THAT TRACKED? LIKE IF, YOU KNOW, DO I NEED A SHOW ID TO SHOW IS IT APPLIED TO THE FORD RESERVATION? CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THAT? YES, SIR.
UH, CURRENTLY THE ONLY WAY YOU GET A RESIDENT DISCOUNT IS YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE THE, THE PUNCH CARD.
AND THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN USE THAT CARD IS, IS THAT PERSON WHO PURCHASED IT.
NOW, I WILL SAY THAT A RESIDENT RIGHT NOW, IF, IF MR. HUTCHIN RIDER WALKED UP, CHERYL PARK DIDN'T HAVE A PUNCH CARD TO PLAY, THERE'S NO RESIDENT DISCOUNT FOR MR. HUTCHIN RIDER.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MEASURE NOW, WHEREAS IF WE IMPLEMENT THIS NEW, UH, HOTKEY FOR, FOR RE RICHMOND RESIDENTS,
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'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE, ARE MEMBERS OF CANYON CREEK VENT TREE COUNTRY CLUB AND OTHER PRIVATE CLUBS AROUND OUR DEMOGRAPHICS THAT ARE RICHMOND RESIDENTS AND THEY COME OUT AND PLAY IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON AT THEIR CLUB AND WE DON'T HAVE A DISCOUNT FOR THOSE FOLKS, RIGHT.SO WE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TRACK, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT THAT WE, WE HAVE THAT COME OUT AND UTILIZE THE FACILITY IS WE ONLY TRACK THE PUNCH CARD PLAYERS AND THE RACK RATE GREEN FEES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT, IT REALLY MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE THAT WE GO TO A HOT KEY AND ELIMINATE THE PUNCH CARD BECAUSE ALL RESIDENTS THAT COME PLAY WOULD HAVE THE, THE VALUE OF OF BEING A RICHMOND RESIDENT AND HAVE THAT DISCOUNT.
RONNIE, IF, IF I'M, IF IF I BRING, UH, THREE RELATIVES FROM OUTTA TOWN TO CHERYL PARK ONE ONE DAY TO PLAY, I'LL GET THE RESIDENT DISCOUNT, BUT MY THREE VISITORS WILL NOT.
THEY ALL THE, THE, THE DRIVER'S LICENSE DICTATES THE DISCOUNT.
SO IS THAT, I GUESS 'CAUSE AND EXCUSE ME AGAIN, I REMEMBER I WORKED, WHEN I WAS 18, I WORKED A FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS IN A RESTAURANT.
THAT'S ALL I LASTED, WORKING IN A RESTAURANT WAITING TABLES.
I REMEMBER THERE WAS LIKE A HOTKEY FOR LIKE EMPLOYEE DISCOUNTS, RIGHT? UH, THERE WAS SCREEN, I PUSHED EMPLOYEE DISCOUNT, THEY GOT THEIR 50% OFF MEAL WHILE THEY WORKED THAT SHIFT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S A, SO I COME IN WITH, YOU KNOW, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW OR COUSINS OR WHATEVER, AND UM, I'M PAYING, THEY, THEY WILL RECEIVE A DISCOUNT.
DO I CHECK MY ID AND IT'S IN THERE OR DO I HAVE TO SHOW IT EVERY TIME? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THAT AND NOW YOU WON'T HAVE TO SHOW IT EVERY TIME.
SO IT TRACKS AND YOU KNOW THAT I'M GONNA, YOU'RE A RESIDENT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE THE PUNCH CARD.
NOW WE DON'T, WHEN ONCE INDIVIDUAL COMES IN AND PURCHASES A PUNCH CARD, WE KNOW THEY HAVE IT.
UNLESS SOME PERSON SAYS, WELL I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M MOVING TO PLANO, WHICH I GAVE THAT EXAMPLE TO DONNA, I THINK TODAY IS A FACT.
WELL I'M GONNA MOVE TO PLANO AND HE'LL BUY THREE PUNCH CARDS BEFORE HE MOVES TO PLANO 'CAUSE HE WANTS HIS DISCOUNT.
AND YOU KNOW, WE GOT NO RULES SAYING HE CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO DO THIS FOR AS YOUR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE A MEMBER OF ANOTHER CLUB OR MM-HMM
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UM, MY ONLY FEEDBACK ON THAT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DOABLE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW YOUR POS, UM, BUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE CAN KIND OF TRACK THAT SO THAT WE AREN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVING EVERYBODY A DISCOUNT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ALSO SEE THAT WE ARE UTILIZING IT FOR DATA ANALYZATION PURPOSES SO THAT IN A YEAR FROM NOW, KENT, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DATA AND RUNNING, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT DATA, YOU CAN SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE UM, WE USED IT X AMOUNT OF TIMES AND IT TRULY BROUGHT THE VALLEY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BRING.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IF THERE'S A WAY, I KNOW SOMETIMES PSS ARE LIMITED ON WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO TRACKING WISE.
UH, BUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN KIND OF JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THAT SO THAT, UM, 'CAUSE I HAVE A HARD TIME PICTURING, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW YOUR POS, BUT IF I SHOW UP WITH MY BROTHER-IN-LAW AND COUSINS AND UH, WE'RE GONNA GO PLAY RA AROUND THE GOLF AND I PULL OUT MY CREDIT CARD TO PAY FOR THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE MY GUESS, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD GO, I'M PAYING FOR FOUR ROUNDS AND A GOLF CART.
I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW HOW UNLESS YOU SPLIT IT OUT, THAT DISCOUNT'S GONNA GO ACROSS THE BOARD? NO, SIR.
UH, HOTKEY ARE SUCH THAT IT'S, IT'S DEFINED TO WHERE WHETHER YOU'RE A RESIDENT OR YOU, YOU'RE, OR YOU'RE A RACK RATE PLAYER, YOU KNOW, LIKE WEEK IN WEEKDAY, IT'S LIKE OUR SENIOR AND OUR JUNIORS AND OUR TWILIGHT, WE HAVE CATEGORIES FOR ALL THOSE CATEGORIES ON HOTKEY.
SO IF WE IMPLEMENT A RESIDENT HOTKEY FOR, FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS TO COME PLAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK EVERY ROUND BY A RESIDENT THAT PLAYS ON BOTH COURSES.
AND I THINK, I MEAN, AS A GUY WHO LIKES DATA, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, MARKET ANALYZATION FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE NORTHEAST SECTOR, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING AS MANY FROM CANYON CREEK 'CAUSE WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST THE COUNTRY CLUB.
OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE FROM THE EAST SIDE OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO, UH, LOOK AT FUTURE MARKETING AND, UH, HOW YOU CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO JUST IMPROVE THE GAME.
UM, I WOULD JUST REMIND ME, THE ONLY QUESTION I WAS JUST REMIND ME, GENERAL FUNDS, UH, FOR THE GENERAL FUND, FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ON SOME OF THE BONDS THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, THAT DEBT SERVICE STILL IS ROLLED IN JUST TO THE OVERALL DEBT SERVICE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? IT'S NOT PAID FOR OUT OF THE, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT OPERATIONS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, I JUST DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I HAVE CURIOSITY IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN, UH, BY THE WAY THAT YOU HAD A GREAT PRESENTATION.
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LIKE EITHER YOU HAVE VERY GOOD KNOWLEDGE BACKGROUND ABOUT THE DRAINAGE OR MAYBE THE FI NICHOLS HAS GIVEN YOU REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.UH, AND BY THE WAY, KEN, YOU HAVE, YOU KEEP UP WITH THE NUMBERS REALLY GOOD.
UH, NOW THE CURIOSITY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT YOU REALLY LOVE SIX, $6, 11 CENTS, $20, 39 CENTS, ALL THIS ODD PRECISE NUMBER.
LOOKS LIKE IF WE DON'T HIT THAT BULLS EITHER THERE, WE'RE GONNA MISS SOMETHING AND SOME OTHER CITY, I I SEE THAT CITY OF PLANO ALSO LOVE THAT KIND OF THINGS AND, BUT REST OF THE CITY LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ON THE SOLID, UH, NUMBER.
SO WOULD THAT MAKE REALLY, UH, I MEAN TO ME, UH, IF YOU CHOOSE SOMETHING LIKE $6 25 CENTS OR $6, $6 50 CENTS, OR MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO ROUND THIS THING LIKE $6 70 CENTS, NOT 71 CENTS.
IS THERE ANY TRICK THERE THAT I'M, I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK BECAUSE JUST FOR EXAMPLE HERE, COURSE NUMBER TWO WE'RE TRYING TO DO, I THINK EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR, AND THIS INCLUDES SALES TAX HERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT RATE HERE FOR JUST WEEKDAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT $23 AND 82 CENTS WE'RE GOING UP TO 29.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN THAT WHOLE PROPOSED RATE COLUMN WITH SALES TAX, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE TO AN EVEN AMOUNT.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IN MOST CASE SAYS, I THINK WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT WAS FOR, UM, WAS PROBABLY BACK HERE ON THE PUNCH CARD, UH, RATE HERE.
SALES TAX WAS NOT INCLUDED HERE.
SO I WAS TRYING TO DO KIND OF AN EQUIVALENT.
'CAUSE WHEN THEY PURCHASE THE PUNCH CARD, THEY PAY SALES TAX.
SO THERE WILL BE, UH, SOME CHANGE HERE THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THESE RATES FOR THE SALES TAX PIECE.
BUT WHEN YOU ADD IN SALES TAX, I THINK MOST OF THESE RATES THEN COME TO AN EVEN AMOUNT, JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT KEEP THIS NUMBER IN YOUR HEAD, I WAS TRYING TO KEEP, THEN I WAS MISSING THE PENNY
SO WHAT DID I DO? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. HUDSON.
UH, ANYWAY, I I, I JUST WANNA SAY IS THE, PROBABLY THE MOST VORACIOUS GOLFER ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A FAIR STATEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I I WANNA SAY THE MOST TALENTED GOLFER.
MAYBE YOU GOLF AS MUCH AS I DO, BOB.
I, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE YOU ON THAT ONE, THAT'S FOR SURE.
AS ONE OF, LET ME SAY THAT, MAYBE ONE OF TWO.
UM, UH, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I GOLF, UM, AROUND A LOT.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS INCREDIBLY FAIR, VERY APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN SAY THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE GET WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE OF THE QUALITY, DEPTH AND EXPERIENCE AS OUR HEAD PROFESSIONAL, RONNIE CLINTON.
WE, WE GET, WE GET A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS ON A COURSE, ON TWO COURSES THAT ARE, UM, JUST FANTASTIC.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, THEY'RE THE ENVY OF A LOT OF CITIES AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE AND AROUND THE, THE DFW MARKETPLACE, UM, KENT, AGAIN, UM, SAME TYPE OF KUDOS FOR WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE AS, AS PROFESSIONAL, UM, AS YOURSELF AND HAS EXPERIENCED TO BE ABLE TO COME TO US AND PRESENT THIS, UM, 100% FULLY ENDORSE THIS MAKES 100% SENSE.
UM, AND AGAIN, I HAD THE CHANCE, UM, A FEW MONTHS AGO TO GO WITH RONNIE OUT.
OF COURSE, TWO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOVE IT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT THAT KIND OF GOT, NO ONE MENTIONED IT, BUT I'LL MENTION IT REAL FAST.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PREMIER COURSE ARCHITECTS TODAY IS DA UH, DA WER, UM, WHO IS DOING COURSE TWO RENOVATION.
AND TO HAVE SOMEONE OF THAT QUALITY AS WELL IS, IS IN, IS PHENOMENAL.
UM, SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA, I WANNA MENTION THAT AS WELL.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WENT OUT AND JUST FOUND SOME, SOME ARCHITECT ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET TO GO BACK AND REDO THIS.
THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECT WHO DOES COURSES ALL OVER THIS WORLD.
AND TO THINK THAT HE AND HIS TEAM ARE THE ONES WHO ARE WORKING WITH RONNIE, OUR, OUR PROFESSIONAL, UM, WE'RE GONNA JUST HAVE AN OUT OUTSTANDING, OUTSTANDING RESOURCE, UM, BOTH ON COURSE ONE AND COURSE TWO.
AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO SAY IS YOU WEREN'T ON COUNCIL, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T GOLF, SO YOU PROBABLY WEREN'T AWARE OF THIS AS WELL, BUT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE, APPROXIMATELY, WHAT'S IT BEEN? UH, NINE YEARS ON COURSE.
SO JUST FYI, SO I, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO, TO THINK THAT IT, THAT WE'VE ONLY SPENT MONEY ON COURSE TWO.
THERE WAS DOLLARS THAT WERE PUT TOWARDS CO COURSE ONE ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO AS WELL.
SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS WELL.
UM, ONE SORT OF RANDOM QUESTION, JUST SORT OF THINKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS AND SORT OF THE POTENTIAL HERE.
WHAT, WHAT IS OUR CAPACITY FOR ROUNDS?
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I MEAN, WE WENT UP 20,000 IN COVID, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ROUNDS IN A YEAR DO YOU THINK IS ACTUALLY PRACTICAL, UM, FOR BOTH COURSES? WELL, ACTUALLY, UH, OUR RECORD FOR ROUNDS PLAYED WAS IN 1999.IS THAT LIKE AS MOST, THE MOST, THAT'S THE MOST, YES.
UH, IT WAS DURING THE TELECOM BOOM.
AND, AND THERE WASN'T AS MANY GOLF COURSES.
YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT SO MANY GOLF COURSES SINCE THEN.
IT WAS KIND OF DURING THE TIGER BOOM AND, AND, AND WE GOT THE EXPERIENCE SOME, UH, INCREDIBLE ROUNDS OF GOLF.
UM, AND FOR US TO HAVE OUR NUMBERS AT 97, 90 5,000.
NOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WITH WHAT, WHAT THE PRODUCT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE GROUND, LIKE MR. HUTCHIN RIDER SAID WITH DA AND HIS, HIS TEAM, I HONESTLY THINK WE CAN BUST A HUNDRED THOUSAND ROUNDS AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY.
IT, IT'S ABOUT COURSE CONDITION AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE BOTH THOSE THINGS AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M EXCITED TO DO IT.
YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
I'M JUST, YEAH, CURIOUS FROM A MATH PERSPECTIVE, SORT OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE INCREASES COULD MEAN.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S GREAT NEWS ABOUT GETTING, HITTING THAT SIX FIGURE MARK.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANNA SAY ON THE PUNCH CARD, I'M SUPPORTIVE, SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF THESE, BUT I THINK THE PUNCH CARD PARTICULARLY MAKES SENSE.
ONE, IT HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED IN A LONG TIME, AND THE POINT THAT YOU SORT OF GLOSSED OVER SOMEWHAT QUICKLY, I THINK IS THAT A PUNCH CARD ISN'T ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME SENIORS WHO $200 UP FRONT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, OR FOR A, A JUNIOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS UP FRONT DOESN'T WORK.
SO I THINK, UM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY WIDENING THE AVAILABILITY OF THE RE THE RESIDENT DISCOUNT.
I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE AS, AS WELL.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ALWAYS BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
I'D ADD ONE THING, THE OPENING SENTENCE YOU LED WITH, UM, KEN, IS THIS IS ONE OF OUR AMENITIES AND THIS IS A SIGNATURE AMENITY THAT PEOPLE KNOW RICHARDSON, BY YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.
BOTH OF THESE GOLF COURSES ARE RANKED IN THE TOP MUNICIPALITY GOLF COURSES ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
BY THE IMPROVEMENTS TO COURSE TWO AND BEING HIGHLY COMPETITIVE WITH OUR RATES AND SO FORTH, IT'S STILL A DESTINATION AND VISIONARY THAT YOU ARE, YOU, YOU'VE GOT OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANNA BRING FORWARD AND OTHER THINGS THAT COULD MAKE, CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS THE PLACE TO GO.
SO I WANT TO COMMEND EVERY ONE OF YOU, KEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE STAFF AND RONNIE FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A FABULOUS STAFF AND A FABULOUS PRODUCT.
SO I, I'M LIKE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF IT, AND I THINK THAT THIS OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE VOTE ON IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
[7. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-13, A REQUEST TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE 25.28-ACRE PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT LOCATED AT 2000 E. ARAPAHO ROAD, SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF E. ARAPAHO ROAD AND JUPITER ROAD, TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND MODIFY THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE. ]
GONNA GO TO ITEM SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 13 A REQUEST TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE 25.28 ACRES PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 2000 EAST ARAPAHOE ROAD.MR. MANGER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.
MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, SAM CHAVEZ, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, HAS JOINED US, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, DEREK PETERS, OUR SENIOR, UH, PLANNER.
AND DEREK IS GOING TO PRESENT ZONING FILE 24 13.
I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, AFTER HER PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, AND INCLUDED IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION ARE PHOTOGRAPHS AND IMAGES OF THE EXISTING, UM, UNITS, AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT WHAT THEY WOULD ASPIRE, UH, AND WORK TOWARDS, UH, AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.
SO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD BE BETTER, UH, OPPOSED TO, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.
ERICA, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
SO ZONING FILE 24 13 IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT KNOWN AS BLOCK 24.
THIS IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ARAPAHOE ROAD IN JUPITER ROAD.
THIS IS A 25 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
IN 2001, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED TO ALLOW FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE CITY.
UM, SO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE, UH, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, AND RESTAURANT USES ALONG JUPITER.
THOSE ARE FIRST FLOOR, UH, RETAIL USES.
UM, AND THEN ABOVE THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS.
THEN IN THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE, YOU HAVE YOUR STANDARD TWO STORY AND THREE STORE STORY GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, AND THOSE ARE ALONG ARAPAHOE TO THE NORTH AS WELL.
AND THEN ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, ALONG AUBURN, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT TRANSITIONS INTO FOURPLEX UNITS.
UM, THEN ACROSS AUBURN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE DUPLEXES TO THE WEST ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH ARE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL,
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AND TO THE EAST ACROSS JUPITER.AND THE CITY OF GARLAND ARE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL.
THE PLAN, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CALLS FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE, UM, CALLS FOR HIGH DI DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES IN THIS AREA.
SO THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS SHOWING THE SITE TODAY ON THE LEFT, THAT'S THE WESTERN ELEVATION SHOWING THAT FIRST FLOOR RETAIL ALONG JUPITER.
UM, AND THE OTHER PICTURE IS A PICTURE OF THE DOG PARK IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT DOG PARK WAS NOT ON THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS A NEWER ADDITION TO THE SITE.
SO THIS IS A COPY OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, THE APPLICANT WHO'S WITH TANTE PROPERTIES, UH, SEEKING TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE IN THE MULTICOLORED BLOCKS THROUGHOUT ARE AREAS THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED WHERE THERE'S UNUSED SPACE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
SO THESE ARE AREAS LIKE OFFICES, FLEX SPACES, STORAGE AREAS, UM, AREAS THAT WERE FINISHED OUT IN THE ORIGINAL BUILD, BUT WERE, UM, SINCE EITHER UNUSED OR UNDERUTILIZED.
UM, A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE ALSO CORRESPONDING TO SOME AMENITY AREAS.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE PD TODAY.
THE PD IS LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 395 UNITS AT MAXIMUM, AND THOSE ARE LIMITED TO ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS AT 750 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO, UM, INSTEAD ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL 15 UNITS FOR A TOTAL OF 410 UNITS MAXIMUM.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INCORPORATE EFFICIENCY STYLE APARTMENTS AND THOSE MAY BE AS SMALL AS 380 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE EXPECTED INCREASE IN TRIP DEMAND WAS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
AND THE SITE WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THE CITY'S PARKING STANDARDS FOR APARTMENTS AND FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
SO FOR APARTMENTS, THAT'S TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
UM, THE SITE SHARES PARKING BETWEEN THE APARTMENT, RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
IN TOTAL, THEY HAVE 950 PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE.
UM, WE'VE FOUND THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN, THEY'VE HAD AN EXCESS OF PARKING.
UH, THEY'VE EXCEEDED THEIR PARKING MINIMUMS. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SURPLUS OF PARKING ON SITE.
SO SINCE THEY ARE, UH, ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 15 UNITS AS PROPOSED, THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER 30 PARKING SPACES.
BUT BECAUSE THEY HAD THAT SURPLUS AVAILABLE TO THEM, UM, THOSE PARKING SPACES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR APARTMENT USES AND NO SITE MODIFICATIONS ARE NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE ANY NEW PARKING.
I'LL SHOW THE CONCEPT PLAN AGAIN.
UM, AND THESE CONVERSION AREA ESTIMATE MEASUREMENTS, UM, THIS IS JUST SHOWING HOW THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THEIR BUILD OUT PLAN WILL BE LIMITED TO THESE AREAS IDENTIFIED IN EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE IN FOOTPRINT AND NO EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS.
AND HERE I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITY AREA, UH, STANDARDS.
SO, BEING AN APARTMENT DISTRICT DISTRICT, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RECREATION AND AMENITY AREAS WHICH ARE ASSIGNED A POINT VALUE.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO ENSURE THAT, UM, SINCE THEY ARE MODIFYING SOME OF THE AMENITY AREAS, THEY ARE NOT REDUCING THOSE SO THAT THEY, UM, THEY AREN'T REACHING A SHORTFALL WITH THE NECESSARY POINTS.
THEY WILL BE REMOVING A CLUB ROOM.
SO BECAUSE THEY WILL NO LONGER HAVE POINTS FOR THAT AREA, THEY HAVE INSTEAD PROPOSED TO, UH, RECEIVE CREDIT FOR THE DOG PARK THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.
SO THEY WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE THESE STANDARDS.
THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HEARD THE CASE AT THE JULY 2ND MEETING.
TWO INDIVIDUALS SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.
AND THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT.
THE CPC VOTED, UH, SEVEN OH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL, UH, PROVIDED THAT ALL CONDITIONS IN THE PD WILL REMAIN WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT AN ADDITIONAL, A MAXIMUM OF 15 ADDITIONAL UNITS SHALL BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE BUILDINGS AS DEPICTED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF THE PD RELATED TO MINIMUM UNIT SIZE AND MAY INCLUDE EFFICIENCY UNITS.
AND I WILL PAUSE HERE, UM, TO SAY THAT WE MAY WANNA ADD ANOTHER CONDITION HERE OR TWEAK THE LANGUAGE IN THIS CONDITION TO AMEND IT TO INCLUDE, UM, UH, COVERING THE DENSITY.
SO AS OF NOW, THE PD WAS APPROVED WITH A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 15.7 UNITS.
WITH THE INCREASE IN UNITS, THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT 16.3.
UM, SO THIS IS WHERE WE MAY WANNA INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE.
AND FINALLY, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED,
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APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE REQUEST.AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND, UH, AS MR. MAGNUM MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL WITH THE PRESENTATION.
UH, COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS MR. BARRIOS? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
CAN YOU, YOU KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT AND I DIDN'T CATCH IT, SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REPEAT, JUST SO THAT I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE PIECE ABOUT PARKING.
AND THE, THE REASON I ASKED, I KNOW THERE WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF THE ONE CONCERN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAD.
THE, WOULD YOU GO OVER WHERE THAT ACCESS PARKING IS? JUST SO THAT I, SO THERE WAS EXCESS PARKING, SO THEY WERE IN EXCESS OF THEIR REQUIRED MINIMUM FOR PARKING BETWEEN THE EXISTING PARKING, UH, THE EXISTING APARTMENTS THEY HAD ON SITE.
AND WITH THE RETAIL ON SITE, UH, THEY ARE MEETING AND EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO, SO BASICALLY IT WAS, IT WAS EXCESS IN RETAIL THAT WE COULD TRANSFER.
'CAUSE IT'S ALL ONE, RIGHT? DUE TO THE, OKAY.
UM, OTHER QUESTION IS, BECAUSE THIS IS ADDING NEW, DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING, UM, TO OUR NEW REQUIREMENT FOR BIKE PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? DOES THAT GO INTO EFFECT? ARE THEY THERE ALREADY? DOES THAT, WILL ANY OF THAT BE CHANGING FOR THEM? I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL UNITS AND SEE IF THAT DOES FALL UNDER THAT REQUIREMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I CALL THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND PRESENT ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY ADDRESS IS 4 9 4 9 WEST GROVE DRIVE, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UM, I'VE BEEN, THIS IS A LOOK OF THE ORIGINAL PERMIT, UH, PLAN FRONT ARTWORK OF WHAT IT WE INTENDED OR WHAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER INTENDED THIS PROPERTY TO LOOK LIKE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, TANTE PROPERTIES IS THE COMPANY I WORK FOR.
UH, I'VE BEEN WITH TANTE FOR 19 YEARS.
UH, TANTE ISS A FAMILY OWNED PRIVATE REAL ESTATE COMPANY.
OUR CORPORATE OFFICE OR OUR WORLD HEADQUARTERS IS A ONE STORY BUILDING ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY.
UH, WE'VE OWNED BLOCK 24 SINCE 2010.
LIKE ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES, WE DON'T USE THIRD PARTY MANAGERS.
UM, IN FACT, TANTE ACTUALLY STILL OWNS AND MANAGES SOME PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUILT BY THE PREVIOUS GENERATION IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES.
SO WE HAVE A VERY LONG-TERM APPROACH AND THAT EXTENDS TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, OUR CURRENT PLAN IS TO SPEND ABOUT $5 MILLION TO IMPROVE AND OPTIMIZE BLOCK 24.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THAT, UH, THAT PLAN RIGHT NOW.
UH, THIS IS A LOOK AT, UH, A COUPLE OF THE INTERIOR UNITS AS WELL AS THE NEW MONUMENT SIGN.
UH, THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN.
UH, I THINK IKA WENT OVER THAT.
UM, SO OUR REQUEST, UM, THIS IS A PICTURE ON THE LEFT OF SOME EXISTING, WAS DEFINED AS OFFICE SPACE ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, PLANS.
WE'VE GOT SOME SPACE THAT HASN'T BEEN UTILIZED, UH, UH, SINCE THE PROPERTY IS BUILT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TURN IT INTO SOME REALLY NICE CLASS A UNITS, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE AT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY 96% OCCUPIED, AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET, UH, FROM PEOPLE THAT MAYBE COME THROUGH AND AND DON'T LEASE IS THEY WANT A MORE AFFORDABLE OPTION FOR A ONE BEDROOM.
IN PARTICULAR, UH, THE CURRENT ZONING ONLY ALLOWS US TO, OR THE ONLY THE EXISTING UNITS, MINIMUM SIZE IS 750 SQUARE FEET.
SO PART OF OUR REQUEST IS THAT WE'VE ALLOWED TO GO SMALLER AND, AND MORE AFFORDABLE WITH SOME OF THE OPTIONS HERE.
UH, THIS IS A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER SPACES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THERE'S SOME UNUSED, UH, STORAGE CAGES THAT ARE SPRINKLED KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON UPPER LEVELS.
UH, THERE'S SOME UNUSED CONFERENCE ROOMS AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER LOOK OF THAT SITE PLAN THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE AREAS IN WHICH WE WANT TO DO THAT.
NO NEW ROOFTOPS, NO NEW PARKING, NO NEW, UH, EXTERIOR CONSTRUCTION OF, OF ANY KIND.
IT'S, UH, REALLY KIND OF LIKE A RETAIL FIT OUT OF EXISTING SHEET ROCK SPACE THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN UTILIZED.
UM, SOME OF IT HASN'T BEEN ENTERED PROBABLY 10 OR 15 YEARS, SO IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO REFRESH IN THIS.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE VACANT SPACE IS NOT GOOD, UH, KIND OF ANYWHERE.
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SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF IT, THAT'S THE, THE BASIS OF, OF THE APPLICATION.UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, I DID YOU HAVE ONE, UH, COUPLE, WHEN YOU SAY AFFORDABLE, ARE YOU DEFINING THAT COMPARATIVELY TO WHAT'S, WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY OFFERING OR WOULD THAT BE THE SAME RATE AS WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING NOW, BUT BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE? UH, WE, WE'VE DONE ACTUALLY SIMILAR, UH, RENOVATIONS IN THE PAST IN OTHER MARKETS AND BEEN ABLE TO OFFER EFFICIENCY UNITS AND BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER, THEY GO FOR A, A, A LOWER PRICE.
WHEN YOU SAY EFFICIENCY, IS THAT INTERCHANGEABLE WITH AFFORDABLE OR IS IT THE SIZE SPECIFICALLY THAT DEFINES IT AS EFFICIENT APARTMENT? YES SIR.
UH, AN EFFICIENCY IS, UH, DETERMINED AT THE SIZE.
AND IS THERE A STANDARD THAT SAYS EFFICIENCY IS THIS SIZE? UH, TYPICALLY AN EFFICIENCY IS OF LIKE AN OPEN, UM, AREA WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A DEFINED BEDROOM VERSUS LIVING SPACE.
IT'S KIND OF ONE CONTINUOUS SPACE.
SEEING YEAH, SORRY, THIS JUSTICE, UH, JUST SORT OF SITTING HERE THINKING, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US AGAIN, UM, THE SI THE ANTICIPATED SIZES OF THE, OF THE APARTMENTS? I KNOW THEIR PD SAYS SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN 50, BUT WHAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THESE 15 UNITS WILL BE? UM, BASED ON THE, THE DIFFERENT EXISTING CONFIGURATIONS, UM, WE WOULD WALK, WORK THROUGH A, A PROGRAM TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT.
I WOULD SAY ON THE SMALL SIDE IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 400 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME SMALLER AREAS THAT KIND OF LEND THEMSELVES TO THAT AND THEY'RE ALREADY EXISTING AND BUILT OUT ON THE LARGE SIDE.
COULD BE UP TO 1200 SQUARE FEET IF THERE WAS A, A TWO BEDROOM.
UM, AND SO SOME OF THE, UM, FEEDBACK WE GOT IN THE, BOTH THE CPC AND IN OUR PACKET RELATED TO PARKING IS, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIO SAID, BUT ALSO, UM, UM, REALLY PARKING THE OVERFLOW INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
CAN YOU, HAVE YOU MET WITH THAT NEIGHBOR, ANYONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE RELATIONS THERE AND, AND THE CONCERNS RAISED? SURE.
SO, UH, DUCK CREEK, HOA IS, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH THAT WE SHARE AUBURN DRIVE WITH, UH, ALL OF THE EXISTING UNITS.
AND, AND YES, I, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DID SPEAK WITH ANTHONY RICE, WHO'S THE HOA PRESIDENT, UM, SENT HIM A PRESENTATION, WALKED HIM THROUGH IT, UH, ASKED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND HE ASKED ME TO PUT TOGETHER THIS, THIS MEASUREMENT TO SHARE WITH RESIDENTS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS PRESENTATION WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, OR THAT WAS AT LEAST HIS INTENT.
SO THE, THE CLOSEST SPOT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ADDING AN EFFICIENCY UNIT IS OVER 400 FEET AND NOTHING, UH, NO WORK WAS GONNA BE DONE ON THE UNITS THAT ARE ALONG AUBURN DRIVE.
THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT YOU, THAT YOU MET WITH THEM.
UM, DO YOU HAVE EFFICIENCIES AT YOUR OTHER PROPERTIES? YES.
AND, AND ARE THEY UNDER 400 SQUARE FEET? IS THAT, IS THAT NORMAL THAT, THAT JUST IN MY HEAD SOUNDS VERY SMALL
I FEEL LIKE YOU COULD TOUCH THE WALLS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T AGREED.
UM, UH, THE, WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL THAT ARE 417 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THESE WOULD BE ORDERING RIGHT AT 400 AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING RIGHT CONDITIONS OF, OF THE SPACE.
I WAS MADE AWARE OF A, A PROJECT THAT I BELIEVE YOU GUYS RECENTLY DID CALLED THE TRELLIS.
WHERE YOU, UH, IS THAT THREE 50? THAT'S 403 75.
SO WE, WE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT.
AND ALSO, I, I GOT INTO IT, UH, THE, THE BUILDING NERD AND ME GOT INTO IT WITH DEREK OVER YOU MEASURED THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALL OR THE INSIDE OF THE WALL AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THE COLUMNS AND SPORTS? AND SO IF YOU REALLY WANNA GET INTO IT, WE, WE CAN GET INTO IT, BUT IT, UH, IT, IT MATTERS WHERE YOU MEASURE IT FROM.
I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT I, WE WON'T BO EVERYONE ELSE TO DEATH.
WE WON'T BOARD THE REST OF 'EM.
I, I WAS IN MY HEAD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT TRELLIS PROJECT AND WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, AND SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL THAT IT'S, IT'S COMPARABLE AND ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY LARGER, UM, THAN THAT.
SO, UH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I, I WILL SAY THAT THOSE UNITS AT THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE DID ARE SOME OF OUR BEST PERFORMING UNITS.
PEOPLE MOVE IN, THEY, THEY STAY IN LONG TERM.
A LOT OF 'EM HAVE SECOND HOMES THAT PROPERTY'S IN ROUND ROCK.
MAYBE THEY LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND THEY'RE TRAVELING OUT AND THEY WANT A PLACE THEY CAN CALL HOME WHEN THEY'RE AT DELL'S HEADQUARTERS.
YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S CERTAINLY A MARKET FOR IT FOR SURE.
YOU KNOW, THAT JUST SOUNDED SMALL TO ME AND I COULDN'T REMEMBER THAT TRELLIS PROJECT.
I KNEW THAT THERE WAS SOME SMALLER EFFICIENCIES THERE 'CAUSE THEY WERE DOING THE SAME THING, TAKING EXISTING SPACE AND, AND TURNING IT INTO APARTMENTS.
AND SO I WAS, THAT THAT'S HELPFUL COMPARISON AND I AGREE AND THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT.
WE TALKED, WE TALKED A LOT ON THIS, UH, D ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND THERE'S CERTAINLY FOLKS THAT, THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THAT TYPE OF SPACE AND WANT LOW COMMITMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW,
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SO THERE, THERE IS A MARKET FOR IT.I'M, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE SMALLER UNITS AND, AND JUST TO PUT IT IN, UH, TO PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, DO, IF SOMEONE WOULD DEFINE LIKE A CONTAINER HOME, A 20 FOOT CONTAINER HOME THAT'S 300 SQUARE FEET, SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A GENERAL IDEA OF IF, IF YOU SEE THAT, YOU'LL SEE HOW MANY SQUARE FEET THAT IS.
I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS GREAT FOR TRAVELING PROFESSIONALS, UH, TO HAVE AN OPTION, UM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S A, THAT'S A SORT OF A BIG THING FOR PEOPLE TO RENT ROOMS OR, UM, CO-OP ROOMS. AND SO THIS DEFINITELY GIVES SOMEONE AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO RENT AND, AND ASKING THAT OR, OR STATING THAT.
HOW LONG IS THE LEASE, UM, A UNIT LIKE THIS? UH, WILL IT BE THE SAME AS A STANDARD ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM? OH, YES.
WE, WE ARE NOT CHANGING OUR, OUR LEASING PROFILE AT ALL.
UM, I THINK WE OFFER FROM SIX TO 14 MONTHS AND WE TRY TO, TO TIME OUR LEASES SO THEY DON'T EXPIRE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IT'S A TIERED SYSTEM THAT'S DONE BY AN ALGORITHM THAT DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.
BUT, UM, YEAH, NO, THERE'LL BE NO, NO, NO SUPER SHORT TERM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST COMPLETELY STANDARD WITH THE REST OF THE UNITS.
AND DO THEY COME FURNISHED OR WILL THEY, NO.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST RUNNING A, A, A STUDIO.
AND ARE THEY ALL ON THE FIRST LEVEL? NO.
UH, A LOT OF 'EM ARE ACTUALLY ON UPPER LEVELS.
UM, LIKE THIS, UH, THESE STORAGE CAGES MM-HMM.
ARE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR ABOVE A FITNESS CENTER.
I, I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE.
I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS WAS OWNED LOCALLY AND BY A FAMILY OWNED.
UM, I'VE, OVER THE YEARS I'VE KNOWN SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE AND, UH, THEY HAD NOTHING BUT NICE THINGS TO SAY.
UM, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS COOL LOOKING AREA AND A NEAT ENERGY AREA THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE REPLICATE.
SO, UH, IT'S GREAT TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A, A LOCAL PARTNER IN THIS AS WELL.
WE MAY CALL YOU BACK IF NEEDED.
AND AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN WHAT? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UH, SAM'S GOT A RESPONSE FOR DAN'S QUESTION.
ON THE BICYCLE PARKING, UH, I APOLOGIZE.
THE NEW BICYCLE PARKING ORDINANCE WOULD NOT APPLY TO THIS SITUATION SINCE THERE AREN'T ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING IS ALREADY THERE AND IT, AND IT MEETS IT.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOUR LIGHT, SO WE'RE GOOD.
AT THIS TIME YOU MAY GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT.
WE MAY HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK UP IF NEEDED.
THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. EMER, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC CARDS? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, MAYOR.
SEEING NO CARDS AND NO ONE'S COMING UP, I'D BE IN MR. HUTCHER RIGHT TO TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MAYOR, I'D LOVE TO MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL IN FAVOR? CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL, MR. HUSS? ANDRE, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
WITH, AND I WOULD ADD, I'D LOOK TO DEREK, I'D SAY MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS PUBLISHED WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT SHE MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND SO I'LL, IF I THAT'S FINE.
CAN WE GET A CLARIFICATION WHAT THAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE THAT WAS DIRECTOR THE DENSITY IS WHAT THAT WAS RELATED TO.
[8. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-14, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER LOCATED WITHIN AN EXISTING 1,672-SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON A 0.48-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED MAIN STREET/CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT (MAIN STREET SUB-DISTRICT) LOCATED AT 331 E. POLK ST, NORTH OF POLK ST, EAST OF S. GREENVILLE AVE AND WEST OF ABRAMS RD. ]
ALRIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM A PUBLIC HEARING.A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER LOCATED AT 3 31 EAST POLK STREET.
UH, SAM CHAVEZ IS GONNA PRESENT THE CITY'S PRESENTATION THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING OPERATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 14.
UH, THIS IS REQUEST FOR SPECIAL PERMIT FOR CHILDREN'S ARE HEROES.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST POLK STREET BETWEEN SOUTH, UH, GREENVILLE AVENUE AND ABRAMS ROAD.
UH, IT IS CURRENTLY IN A LARGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, UNDER THE NAME OF THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THE, UH, MAIN STREET SUBDISTRICT OF THAT LARGE PD.
UH, AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FIRST IS FOR A, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILD, A CHILDCARE CENTER.
FIRST OFF, UH, THESE ARE TWO PHOTOS.
THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE FIRST PHO PHOTO ON THE LEFT IS THE ACTUAL, UH, PROPOSED
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FACILITY THAT'S AN EXISTING, UH, 1,672 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.UH, AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, POLK STREET ALONG HERE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, UH, FROM THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE BIT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
THE SECOND PHOTO IS YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTH, WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE REAR, UM, THE REAR PORTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO THE SITE IS REALLY COMPRISED OF TWO TRACKS OF LAND, UH, TRACK FIVE A AND TRACK FIVE.
UM, TRACK FIVE IS THE ACTUAL LOCATION FOR THE FACILITY IN TOTAL, BOTH TRACKS ARE, UH, 0.48 ACRES IN SIZE.
THE ACTUAL, UH, ER CENTER IS LOCATED ON TRACK FIVE, WHICH IS A 0.22 ACRE TRACK.
UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF, UH, FOR THE CHILDCARE CENTER IS, UH, 1,672 SQUARE FEET.
UH, BOTH TRACKS COMBINED, UH, PROVIDE A TOTAL OF EIGHT PARK, UH, EIGHT PARKING SPACES.
TRACK FIVE PROVIDES FOUR, TRACK FIVE EIGHT ALSO PROVIDES THE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL FOUR.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS FOR A TOTAL OF 34 CHILDREN, UH, FOR, UH, AGES, UH, TWO AND A HALF TO 12 YEARS OF AGE.
THE PROPOSED HOURS, HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 6:30 AM TO 5:00 PM.
UH, THE EXHIBIT IN FRONT OF YOU SHOWS THE PROPOSED, UH, ONSITE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.
UH, THEY WILL ENTER THE SITE ON THE WESTERNMOST DRIVEWAY AND PROCEED EAST AND EXIT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST THAT THEIR JULY 2ND MEETING, UH, THERE ARE FIVE LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST AND THEY'RE INCLUDED WITH YOUR PACKET.
UH, THE COMMISSION VOTED SEVEN OH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED.
UH, SHOULD COUNCIL APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED? UH, THEY CAN EITHER APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED TONIGHT WITH THOSE, UH, WITH THOSE SIX CONDITIONS, APPROVE THE CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE REQUEST.
WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY YOUR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU STA UH, SAM COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS MR. DORIAN? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
THANK YOU, MAYOR SAM, I DROVE BY THERE EARLIER TODAY.
THE, THE FENCED IN AREA, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, IS THAT PART OF THE, IS THAT GOING TO BE LIKE A, THE OUTSIDE PLAYGROUND FOR TRACK FIVE? THE OUTSIDE PLAYGROUND IS REALLY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE STRUCTURE.
SO THERE'S TWO FENCED IN AREAS? YES.
THAT'S THE I I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT.
THERE'S BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER FENCED IN AREA HERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSED PLAYGROUND FOR THE, UH, PROPOSED CHILD CLA CENTER BECAUSE RIGHT OVER THERE TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S A DRIVING SCHOOL RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER WHERE THE GREEN SPACE IS.
SO THEY'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT AREA.
THEY'RE TAKING ALL OF TRACK FIVE.
COUNSEL, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL AVAILABLE INFORMATION OR, ALL RIGHT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE MCGEE.
UH, ADDRESS IS 5 5 0 0 MCKINNEY PLACE DRIVE MCKINNEY, TEXAS.
AND I'M JUST GONNA READ A LITTLE BIT, UM, ABOUT IT.
UM, SO CHILDREN ARE HEROES LEARNING CENTER IS SEEKING THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR, UH, TO REPURPOSE THE CURRENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON THE PREMISES.
UM, AND SO WE WILL BE SERVICING CHILDREN AGES TWO AND A HALF THROUGH 12 YEARS OF AGE.
UM, AS WELL, WE ARE LOCATED, UM, ON A ROUNDABOUT DRIVEWAY AND A PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE WILL BE USING A CRM SYSTEM CALLED PROCARE THAT ALLOWS FOR GEO-FENCING FOR PARENTS TO CHECK THEIR CHILDREN IN AND OUT IN THE TWO TO FIVE MILE RADIUS.
AND THAT WILL ALLOW FOR A STAFF MEMBER TO ENSURE THAT THE CHILDREN ARE GETTING OUT AND IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING SAFELY ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE THAT EXTENDS BEYOND OUR WALLS AS DALLAS, TEXAS IS EXPERIENCING CHILDCARE CRISIS, UM, WITH THE NEED FOR 93,000 CHILDREN UNDER THE AGES OF FIVE, BUT ONLY HAVING THE CAPACITY FOR 35,000 CHILDREN.
SO OUR CENTER AIMED TO ADDRESS THE DISPARITY BY PROVIDING QUALITY CARE, THEREBY, UM, COMBATING THE ESTIMATED YEARLY 9 BILLION STATE LOSS DUE TO CHILDCARE CHALLENGES.
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TO 5:00 PM AND TO ENSURE THAT PARENTS ARE PICKING UP AT 5:00 PM WE DO HAVE IT IN OUR, UM, POLICY THAT, UM, PARENTS WILL BE PAYING A FEE, UM, PER MINUTE THAT THEY ARE LATE.AND THAT'S JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP THEIR CHILD ON TIME BECAUSE THE SECOND LOCATION, DESSERT LAB ICE CREAM SHOP, THEY OPEN AT 5:00 PM AND PEOPLE USUALLY COME AROUND 6:00 PM SO THAT'S JUST TO ENSURE THAT, UM, PARENTS ARE PICKING UP THEIR CHILDREN ON TIME AND, UM, OUR PLAYGROUND IS FENCED IN AND DO HAVE SECURITY IN THE BACK AND SO IT, IT'LL BE LOCATED IN THE BACK SO NO ONE, YOU KNOW, WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE KIDS FROM THE STREET, UM, AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, VALERIE? THANK YOU.
I, UH, I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF DESIGNING A DAYCARE CENTER, UH OKAY.
IN THE OAK CLIFF AREA RIGHT NOW, SO, MM-HMM.
ON, UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, UH, WHAT IS THE AGE RANGE ON? MM-HMM.
SO IT'LL BE TWO AND A HALF THROUGH 12 YEARS OF AGE.
AND I PUT THE REQUEST IN FOR A MAX OF 34.
BUT, UM, GOING OFF THE FLOOR PLAN WITH THE STATE, IT WOULD BE MORE AROUND 26 STUDENTS.
AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER QUESTION TOO.
AND WILL THERE BE WHAT, AS FAR AS THE, WELL LEMME REPHRASE THIS, THE OFFENSE IN AREA AND THE BACK.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S, IT'S SIT SEETHROUGH FITS, IT'S AN IRON FENCE OF SOME SORT.
NO, THAT'S, UM, THAT IS, SO THE IRON FENCE THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO PAST MM-HMM.
SO THE, THE DAYCARE CENTER IS THAT GREEN PARK? MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE FENCING THAT YOU RIDE PAST? THAT'S OPEN? NO KITS WILL BE IN THAT PART.
SO THAT, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR, TO HAVE THAT FENCE OPEN TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE INSIDE WHERE THE CHILDREN PLAY? NO.
UH, FOR SAFE, I WOULD SAY FOR SAFETY, UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE BACK, SO THE GREEN AREA IS GRASS AND WHERE SAY CONCRETE SLAB THAT'S LIKE DIRECTLY IN THE BACK AND IT'S A WOODEN FENCE.
UM, SO IT SPLITS IT JUST FOR SAFETY SO THAT NO ONE CAN, YOU KNOW, GO OUT TO THE OTHER LOCATION OR, YOU KNOW, NO ONE CAN SEE THE CHILDREN LIKE AS RIDING BY, IT'S COMPLETELY BEHIND THE, IT'S ENCLOSED.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE AN OPEN FENCE TO VIEW, SO YOU CAN SEE IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
BUT MAYBE, MAYBE NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, ON MY OTHER QUESTION IS MM-HMM.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE PICKUP IS YES, AROUND FIVE.
SO, AND HOW MANY VEHICLES DO YOU FILL? IT WILL BE ENTERING THROUGH THAT LOOPED MM-HMM.
SO I ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, SO FAR I ACTUALLY HAVE SIX PARENTS THAT, UM, ALREADY REGISTERED TO BE ON THE WAITING LIST.
AND, UM, TWO OF THOSE HAVE THREE CHILDREN AND THE OTHERS HAVE TWO.
SO WITH ME ONLY EXCEPT IN 26, I'M, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE CALLS I'VE GOT SO FAR, I GOT 85 CALLS, WHICH, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A NEED FOR IT, UM, MANY OF THOSE INQUIRIES, THEY HAVE HAD TWO CHILDREN.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR HALF THE NUMBER.
SO ABOUT 14, 15 CALLS ALL IN A MATTER OF PROBABLY WHAT, 30 MINUTES
UM, AND THE POLICY, THE LATE DROP, LATEST DROP OFF TIME WITHOUT A DOCTOR'S NOTE WOULD BE 8:30 AM SO THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A TWO HOUR WINDOW TO PICK UP AND THEN AS WELL AS THREE 30 TO FIVE A TWO HOUR.
AND SO WHEN I'M REGISTERING THEM, I'M ASKING THEM, YOU KNOW, THEIR SHIFT TIME AND SO I'M LOOKING TO ACCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO START TIME IS SEVEN TO THREE 30.
YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO DO THAT AS PRIORITY TO ENSURE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYBODY IN AND OUT.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, REMODEL THE FACILITY OR YOU, OR IS IT PRETTY MUCH SET UP? YEAH, SO IT HAS BEEN A, UM, WELL PREVIOUS IT, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ZONED FOR A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SO IT ALREADY HAS THE ROOMS. AND SO I HAD TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF THE STATE YOU HAVE TO HAVE 30 SQUARE FOOT.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW I NARROWED IT DOWN TO 26 KIDS.
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THANK YOU, MR. BARRIOS.UM, I JUST WANTED TO ONE, COMMEND YOU ON THE FACT THAT YOU'RE DOING A 5:00 PM PICKUP AND WORKING THAT OUT FOR WITH DESSERT LAB SO THAT THERE'S SOME, UH, YES.
UH, SO THAT'S REALLY NEAT TO SEE.
AND I, I DIDN'T WANNA, AND TWO, ALTHOUGH MY BABY IS 16 NOW, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE WERE IN DAYCARE, BUT THIS IDEA OF GEO-FENCING, CHECK-IN, I WISH WE HAD THAT WHEN MY SON WAS IN DAYCARE AT TWO AND THREE, JUST BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE LINES OF PARENTS HAVING TO PARK, GET OUTTA THE CAR, GO IN, WAIT BEHIND SIX OTHER PARENTS AND WAIT FOR THEM TO GO GET MY KID AND THEN BRING 'EM.
IT WAS A 15 MINUTE PROCESS, EASILY.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
SO I COMMEND YOU FOR USING, UH, TECHNOLOGY TO, TO SMOOTHEN AND, UH, EVEN OUT YOUR PROCESS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, SO JUST CHECKING THE, THE NEIGHBORING ROMANIA CENTER, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING, THIS DOESN'T, THIS ISN'T THAT AT ALL, RIGHT? THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE ENTITY.
UM, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT WEREN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
I JUST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR TENACITY.
SO, YES,
WE'LL ASK YOU TO HAVE A SEAT AND WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
I DO HAVE ONE THING I THINK I MORE FORGOT TO ADD.
UM, SO I KNOW AT THE LAST HEARING ON THE 22ND, UM, WE HAD GIVING, UM, PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT IT AS WELL AS, UM, ME AND MR. PATEL AND HIS COMPANY.
WE HAD, UM, DID AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND SO I JUST WANTED THAT EASEMENT AGREEMENT TO STAND THAT, YOU KNOW, INDICATES THAT IF HE DO DECIDE AFTER, YOU KNOW, MY LEASE OR SO TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THAT HE COULD KEEP THE PROPERTY AS IT'S PLOTTED WITHOUT HIM HAVING TO REPL IT.
YOU KNOW, SAM, THAT'S YES, SIR.
UM, THAT APPLIES TO A CONDITION THAT'S IN, THAT'S, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION TO, UH, FILE SEPARATE INSTRUMENTS FOR CROSS ACCESS AND PARKING AGREEMENTS, OR THEY CAN PLAT THE PROPERTY BOTH TRACKS INTO ONE LOT.
UM, WE JUST FELT THAT IT WAS BETTER TO GET THE PROPERTY RE PLATTED INTO ONE, TO CURE A, UH, ENCROACHMENT OF AN EXISTING BUILDING OVER A PLATTED LOT LINE.
SO THAT CHOICE WOULD BE UP TO, UM, UP TO THIS BODY.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. NEER, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO CARDS, MAYOR.
SEEING NO CARDS, I'D TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MS. RE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
GOT A MOTION MR. DORIAN? I SECOND THAT GOT A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
RAISE YOUR HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS, OR, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. HUTCHIN RIDER, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE ZONING FILE 24 DASH 14 AS REQUESTED.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE HAVE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[9. RECEIVE THE JULY 10, 2024, SIGN CONTROL BOARD MINUTES AND CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL OF SCB CASE #24-01, CLAY COOLEY VOLKSWAGEN. ]
THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA GO TO ACTION ITEM NUMBER NINE, RECEIVE THE JULY 10TH, 2024 SIGN CONTROL BOARD MINUTES, AND CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL OF SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE NUMBER 24 DASH OH ONE.BRIAN NER, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND, UH, A PRETTY GOOD GOLFER IN HIS OWN RIGHT.
UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS, SO, UM, IF YOU ACCEPT THE MINUTES, SO IF YOU MAKE A MOTION AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES, THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF APPROVING, UH, THE REQUEST FROM, UH, CLAY COOLEY.
IF YOU CALL IT UP, WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO IS WE'LL HAVE TO SCHEDULE A FUTURE HEARING WHERE THE APPLICANT, UH, CAN COME AND BE IN ATTENDANCE.
AND, UH, YOU CAN HEAR FROM HIM AT THAT TIME.
SO, BRENT, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE RESULTS OF OUR JULY 10TH SUN CONTROL BOARD MEETING, UH, SUN CONTROL BOARD CASE 24 DASH ZERO ONE IS FOR CLAY COOLEY VOLKSWAGEN, LOCATED AT 300 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
UH, AS, AS, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE WE BROUGHT A CASE IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE YOU WITH A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY ABOUT THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND YOUR ROLE IN THAT PROCESS.
UH, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD CONSIDERS A VARIANCE REQUEST TO THE CITY'S SIGN REGULATIONS BASED
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ON CHAPTER 18 OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD CAN TAKE ACTION BY GRANTING THE VARIANCE, UH, GRANTING A VARIANCE OF GREATER OR LESSER IN NATURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, OR THEY CAN DENY THE VARIANCE.
UM, AT ONCE THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD DOES TAKE ACTION, THEN THOSE, UH, MINUTES ARE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.
UH, AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN TAKE ACTION BY RECEIVING THOSE MINUTES AND APPROVING THEM AS AS, UH, PRESENTED.
OR YOU CAN TAKE AN ALTERNATE ACTION, WHICH MIGHT BE, UH, CALLING THE CASE UP FOR FULL CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, BUT IN ANY CASE, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD'S DECISION DOES BECOME FINAL UNLESS REVERSE OR MODIFIED BY YOU, UH, NO LATER THAN THE SECOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOLLOWING THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD MEETING.
THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCE, UH, IN, IN OUR CASE TONIGHT, IS SPECIFIC TO SIZE.
PULL SIGNS ARE LIMITED TO 20 FEET IN OVERALL HEIGHT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A 39 FOOT HIGH SEVEN INCH TALL POLE SIGN.
AGAIN, THE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IS 20 FEET BY RIGHT PER THE REGULATIONS.
THE APPLICANT, UH, DOES FEEL THIS REQUEST IS NECESSARY DUE TO THE SPEEDS ON THE FREEWAY.
THE EXISTING SIGN IS NOT VERY VISIBLE TO NORTH OR SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC BASED ON ITS CURRENT HEIGHT.
UM, THEY DO FILL THE INCREASE IN HEIGHT WILL HELP WITH VISIBILITY, UM, FOR THE DEALERSHIP.
AS YOU EXIT THE FREEWAY, THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN EXIT RAMP, UM, JUST ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY, SO IT'LL HELP TO ID THEIR PROPERTY BETTER.
AND THEN OVERALL, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN BEING PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, SIMILAR SIGN TYPES THAT, UH, THEIR LOCAL DEALERSHIP, LOCAL VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIPS IN THE AREA.
UH, THIS IS AN ARROW VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UH, LOCATED ALONG THE NORTHBOUND SERVICE ROAD ON NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
IT IS BORDERED BY GREER STREET TO THE, TO THE SOUTH, UH, NORTH URBAN, UH, NORTH INNER URBAN STREET TO THE EAST AND JACKSON STREET TO THE NORTH.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE BLUE.IN THE ARROW VIEW.
THAT IS THE PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION.
UM, IT IS ALONG THAT NORTH, IT'S JUST DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NORTHBOUND SERVICE ROAD, UH, THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS, UH, THESE ARE, UH, TWO PICTURES OF THE EXISTING POLE SIGN AT THE PROPERTY AS IT STANDS TODAY.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A NORTHBOUND VIEW TO YOUR LEFT, UH, THAT GIVES YOU THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC AND THEN FROM THE SOUTHBOUND VIEW, UH, THERE TO YOUR RIGHT.
UH, AGAIN, DEPICTING THE, THE SIGN AS IT STANDS TODAY, THIS SIGN WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN 2008.
UH, IT'S 50 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL AREA, IN 20 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THE PROPOSED SIGN, AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT, UH, BASED ON THE RENDERING, IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE SIGN THAT STANDS THERE TODAY.
HOWEVER, UH, IT WILL BE, UH, THREE NINE FEET, SEVEN INCHES IN THE HEIGHT AND 47 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA.
IT'LL BE COMPRISED OF AN ALUMINUM CABINET.
UM, THE, THE STRUCTURE SUPPORT, UH, POST THERE WILL ALSO BE CLOUDED AND ALUMINUM.
AND OVERALL THE COLOR SCHEME WILL BE GRAY, UH, WITH THE, THE VOLKSWAGEN LOGO BEING BLUE.
UH, AND THE CABINET ITSELF WILL BE ILLUMINATED, UM, WITH LED, IT'LL BE BACK LIT WITH LED LIGHTING.
AND THEN THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD DID APPROVE THIS CASE BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO.
UH, AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TONIGHT TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, OR YOU COULD CALL THE CASE UP FOR, UH, FULL CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE COUNSEL MEETING.
AND I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.
BRENT, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MS. RE, MAYOR.
NUMBER ONE IS, WOULD BY ACCEPTING THIS, IS THIS SIGN THEN TIED TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER ONLY, OR IF, FOR EXAMPLE, OR I SAY PROPERTY OWNED PROPERTY OCCUPANT MAYBE IS A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT, SO THAT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THE VOLKSWAGEN, VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP WENT AWAY AND SOMETHING ELSE WENT IN THERE, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO STILL UTILIZE THIS 39? YEAH.
SO IT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT THE SPECIFIC USER AT THE TIME.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO MODIFY THAT? CAN IT, CAN IT BE MODIFIED PURELY FOR, UM, TO, TO WHERE IT'S JUST FOR THE VOLKSWAGEN, VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP? OR IS THIS SOMETHING IF THE, IF, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, IT'S JUST FOREVER? NEVER, NEVER.
I, I DON'T RECALL IN, IN THE, IN MY TIME, UM, WHERE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, UH, APPROVE A SIGN THAT'S, UM, UNIQUE TO A, A SPECIFIC USER THAT, THAT THE COPY IS, UM, REALLY, WHICH, WHERE YOU GET INTO THE ISSUE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE COPY WE CAN'T REGULATE.
IT'S A, IT'S A FREEDOM OF SPEECH THING.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT MEETS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CRITERIA.
UM, SO I THINK IF YOU APPROVE THE STRUCTURE, UH, AS IN TERMS OF THE SIGN, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, APPROVE IT AND SAY IT'S FOR A SPECIFIC USER.
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OKAY.BRANDON, ANY, ANY, ANYTHING DIFFERENT? I, I AGREE.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE EVER PUT THAT, THAT STIPULATION ON.
IT'S ALWAYS WENT TO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN I GUESS THE, THE SECOND QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, IS THIS BEING 39 FEET, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU SAID THEY'VE REQUESTED.
IF WE TAKE A LOOK KIND OF UP AND DOWN 75, ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SOMETHING THIS TALL OR, YES, SIR.
UH, TO, JUST TO THE SOUTH SPRING CREEK.
UH, SPRING CREEK BARBECUE, THEIR SIGN IS, IS CLOSE.
UM, I WILL SAY FOR INSTANCE, ALAMO DRAFT HOUSE, UH, RICHARDSON HEIGHTS SHOPPING CENTER.
THE MAIN SIGNS ONE'S THE MULTI-TENANT SIGN, AND ONE'S THE ALAMO DRAFT HOUSE SIGN.
UH, THE ALAMO DRAFTS HOUSE SIGN IS 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THE MULTI-USE TENANT SIGN, THERE'S I THINK 57 FEET.
THE RELIABLE CHEVROLET IS FOUR.
RELATIVE TO DEALERSHIPS, RELIABLE IS 47 FEET IN HEIGHT DEBT, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO ARAPAHO.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AS A CITY CONTROLLING, I WANNA USE THE WORD SIGN POLLUTION.
MAYBE THAT'S THE WRONG WORD TO USE, BUT I'LL USE IT ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALLOW A LOT OF, I MEAN, THERE'S, WE DON'T HAVE BILLBOARDS, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I, I JUST, IF IF YOU TOLD ME THAT WE COULD JUST TIE IT TO CURRENT OCCUPANT, IF YOU WILL, OR HOWEVER YOU WANTED TO SAY THAT, I'D PROBABLY FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER.
SO THAT WE JUST DON'T, I MEAN, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEN ONCE WE, ONCE WE DO THIS, THEN IN ESSENCE FOR, UNTIL SOMEONE, UNTIL I GUESS WHAT THE OWNER THEMSELVES WOULD HAVE, OR THE OWNER OR THE OCCUPANT WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE TO TAKE THE SIGN DOWN, THAT'D BE THE ONLY WAY THAT SIGN WOULD COME DOWN.
WELL, HONESTLY, WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS, IN THIS CASE, A NEW DEALERSHIP WOULD PROBABLY OCCUPY THE BUILDING AND THEN REFACE THE EXISTING SIGN THAT'S MOST COMMON, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEN THEY TAKE OVER THE SIGN AND, AND REFACE IT.
AND WITH THE DEALERSHIP, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S LIKELY, IT'S VERY, YEAH, VERY COMMON.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN 75 YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE ENDURED THE TEST OF TIME.
SO, BUT, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PROHIBITED FROM, WE'RE PROHIBITED FROM, UM, REGULATING COPY.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN APPROVE THE SIGN AND THEN TIE IT TO THE USER.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE VIOLATING THE, AND, AND ONLY, UM, UM, THE COPY, UM, THE COPY ISSUE.
I DON'T, I THINK, YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO REGULATE THE COPY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST HATE TO, TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA PASS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA, IN ESSENCE BE THERE FOR FOREVER.
AND THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY THEN, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING Y'ALL CORRECTLY, WE COULD NEVER CALL IT BACK.
WE COULD NEVER, NO MATTER WHAT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S SOME MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ALONG THERE AND, YOU KNOW, I I JUST, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
SO, AND THEN I WOULD JUST ASK, JUST PURELY, IS IT A MAJORITY OF VOTE OF COUNSEL TO, TO, UM, ASK FOR IT TO BE, IF I'M USING YOUR WORDS CORRECTLY, CALL THE CASE UP FOR FULL CONSIDERATION.
WOULD IT TAKE A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TONIGHT? OKAY.
I'M JUST, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE, THE LOGISTICS OF THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING ONE OF THESE COME FORWARD SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
NOT TO TRY TO WIGGLE OUT OF THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T TIE IT TO USER, YOU CAN'T TIE IT TO USE EITHER.
LIKE, YOU REALLY CAN'T ATTACH ANY CONDITION TO IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING? IF YOU, IF YOU APPROVE THE SIGN STRUCTURE, THEN THAT'S WHERE OUR LIMIT STOPS.
I MEAN, ONCE, ONCE THE SIGN IS A LEGAL CONFORMING SIGN USE, YOU KNOW, OCCUPANTS AND, AND USERS CAN COME AND GO AND THE COPY CAN CHANGE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, VULGAR OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT COPY THEY CAN PUT ON IT, WE DON'T REG, WE CAN'T REGULATE IT.
MAYBE, I MEAN, MAYBE A DECADE OR TWO FROM NOW, SOMETHING ELSE COMES IN AND IT'S A PD FOR, THEY, THEY SCRAPE IT IN IT'S APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SOMETHING, AND SUDDENLY THAT RIGHT GOES AWAY.
I GUESS I CAN SEE, WELL, IN THE SCENARIO I WAS TALKING, I I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARITY.
IN THE SCENARIO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUGH, THIS, I'M SORRY, IN THE SCENARIO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT SIGN WOULD STILL BE THERE, CORRECT? WELL, THEY, THEY COULD IF THEY WANTED IT THROUGH A REDEVELOPMENT.
YEAH, NO, IF IT'S REZONED, THEN YOU, YOU COULD ADDRESS THE SIGN REGULATIONS IN THE NEW ZONING.
IT WOULD ONLY BE, IT WOULD ONLY BE IF THE, IF, IF A, IF A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT CAME IN, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE A WHOLE NEW SITE PLAN.
YOU'D HAVE A NEW, WHOLE NEW, YOU KNOW, IF, ASSUMING IT'S A REZONING LIKE JOE DESCRIBED.
SO YOU COULD ADDRESS, YOU COULD, YOU COULD ADDRESS THE SIGN IN THAT NEW ZONING REGULATION ON, YOU KNOW, A PD SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD INCLUDE SIGN REGULATIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THAT.
BUT, UM, BUT IF, IF THE, IF IT'S, IF THE BILL, YOU KNOW, IF THE PROPERTY ESSENTIALLY STAYS THE SAME AND DIFFERENT USERS COME AND GO, THEN THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO.
I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE FUNCTIONALLY, IF IT'S ANYTHING BESIDES A
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CAR DEALERSHIP, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REZONED IN SOME WAY.I JUST CAN'T ENVISION ANOTHER BUSINESS USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND SO NOW, NOW THAT IS, UH, THAT IS, THAT, THAT WAS REZONED IN, IN 20 15, 20 16 AS PART OF, BUT IT IS PART OF THE, UH, CENTRAL, UH, MAIN STREET ZONING, UH, THAT THAT TOOK PLACE.
SAM, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT SUBDISTRICT IS? THAT THAT'S THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE CORPORATE SUBDISTRICT? NO, THAT'S THE, OR IN THE, UH, IN URBAN SUBDISTRICT IN INTER EITHER WAY.
SO, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALL ALLOWED IN THAT, UH, A CAR DEALERSHIP IS ALLOWED VIA A SPECIAL PERMIT.
UH, CLAY COOLEY DOES ENJOY THAT.
SEE, BUT WHAT ELSE COULD BE IF, IF CLAY COOLEY WENT AWAY? WHAT ELSE? UH, YOU'D HAVE RETAIL OFFICE, COMMERCIAL.
THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD GO ON.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FLEXIBLE ONES.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OF.
I GUESS IT COULD BE LIKE A RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE'S SOME BASE ZONING THAT'S IN THAT CENTRAL CODE, BUT THERE'S ALSO THINGS THAT WOULD STILL REQUIRE SPECIAL PERMIT AND COUNCIL REVIEW.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FAIR.
I GUESS NOW Y'ALL MENTIONED IT WITH THAT RETAIL, IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF SHOPPING CENTERS OR ANYTHING THAT HAS A HUGE SIGN.
RIGHT? IT MIGHT NOT JUST BE A DEALERSHIP.
IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO, TO THINK ABOUT FOR A SEC.
I DROVE THAT, UM, THIS AFTERNOON.
AND I GUESS WHEN, WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THIS, IS IT SIMILAR TO, IS THERE ANY CHANGES WHERE YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS? 'CAUSE AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS 'CAUSE DRIVING THAT WHILE I UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRE TO COMPETE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HEIGHT SIGNS AND BE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD WITH THE OTHER DEALERSHIP AT ARAPAHOE, WHICH IS CHEVY MM-HMM.
THERE'S HALF A DOZEN OR MORE BUSINESSES BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
AND WHERE THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP, IT'S KIND OF A SMALL SPOT NEXT TO, I THINK THERE'S A JUST BRAKES AND A BUNCH OF SMALLER SIGNS.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THOSE OTHER BUSINESSES SIGNS WOULD BE COVERED BY THE MONSTER OF A SIGN.
IF THEY WERE ON A MAJOR INTERSECTION LIKE RELIABLE CHEVROLET, I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
TO ME IT WOULD BE, YEAH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
UH, OR CAMPBELL OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT IT BEING KIND OF MID-BLOCK NEXT TO A BUNCH OF SMALLER SIGNS, UH, SPRING VALLEY IS KIND OF REMOVED BECAUSE IT, I'M SORRY, SPRING CREEK IS KIND OF REMOVED BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION NEXT TO THE OFFICE BUILDING AND SOME EMPTY SPACE THERE.
BUT THIS IS MUCH CLOSER TO TIGHTER RETAIL AND COMPETING SIGN.
SO WERE THEY, THOSE OWNERS NOTIFIED, AND IF SO, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO BE NOTIFIED? DID WE HEAR BACK FROM ANY, WELL, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL HEARING, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD HEARINGS POSTED PUBLICLY.
MM-HMM,
SO THEY ARE NOTIFIED IN THE AREA.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T MAIL NOTICES LIKE WE DO FOR, UH, ZONING CHANGED, RIGHT? NO, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE, THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE POST IT IN THE PAPER, JUST LIKE WE POST THE MEETING TONIGHT.
WITH, WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT CALLING IT UP.
I MEAN, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA ASK THE QUESTION IF WE CALL IT UP MM-HMM.
THAT WE, THAT WE MET FOR TONIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS SIGN, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD NOT BE BECOME LIKE BILLBOARD IN THE FUTURE IF THE BUILDING OWNER SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING ELSE THERE.
YEAH, NO, WE, WE DO BILLBOARDS ARE ESSENTIALLY OFF-PREMISE SIGNS, AND WE DON'T PERMIT OFF-PREMISE SIGNS.
UM, IT, THIS, THIS SIGN, BRENT CORRECT ME PLEASE IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS SIGN COULDN'T EVEN BECOME A MULTI-TENANT SIGN.
IT WOULD'VE TO, IT WOULD'VE TO REMAIN A SINGLE, UM, TENANT SIGN.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE ACREAGE TO DO THAT.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE JUST THE WAY IT IS, AND IT, IT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE USER.
WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T, FOR INSTANCE, BREAK IT UP AND HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ON IT.
EVEN IF THEY, UM, SOMEHOW TOOK THAT, UM, RETAIL SPACE AND DIVIDED IT, YOU KNOW, DIVIDED UP.
IT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ALL, UM, WANNA CALL THIS UP.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A MOTION WELL, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, AND I'LL LET YOU DO THAT AFTER.
I WAS GONNA, JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT.
I BELIEVE THE TOYOTA SIGN, IS THAT HIGH OR HIGHER? IS IT NOT ACTUALLY, UM, THE TOYOTA SIGNS ARE, MOST OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY AT 20 FEET.
TOYOTA HAS, UH, TWO, ACTUALLY A TOTAL OF THREE SIGNS.
UH, ONE OF THOSE BEING 24 FEET TALL, 240
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SQUARE FEET, AND THEN A, OR EXCUSE ME, A SECOND SIGN.A SECOND SIGN AT 20 FEET TALL, 35 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA, WHICH IS THE REAL SMALL OLD SIGN THAT IDENTIFIES THEIR USED CAR LOT, UM, AT THAT LOCATION.
ANYWAY, I GUESS THE NEXT THING, IF YOU CHOOSE TO CALL IT UP, THAT'S FINE.
AND, UM, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BEFORE US.
I THINK ABOUT THE APPLICANT AND ALL OF THE RENOVATIONS THEY'VE DONE TO UPGRADE THAT SITE AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, THEY'VE PUT, POURED A LOT OF ENERGY INTO THAT TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING IN THAT AREA.
SO A NEW SIGN KIND OF GOES WITH IT, IS ALL I WOULD SAY, IT, IT COMPLIMENTS WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE.
SO I'M A LITTLE HESITANT NOT TO SAY IT BECAUSE I THINK THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS SIGNIFICANT BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND WHAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING.
SO ANYWAY, IF I WILL JUST STOP AT THAT POINT.
AND MRS. JUSTICE, YOU GOT THE MIC.
YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HA A NEW SIGN HAS TO BE 40 FEET TALL, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT WE CAN HAVE A, A CONVERSATION ABOUT, BUT I AGREE, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE RENOVATION AND THE PROJECT AS WELL.
BUT ANYWAY, I MOVED TO, TO CALL THE CASE UP FOR FULL CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL ON A FUTURE MEETING.
MR. HUTCHIN RIDER, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION PLEASE.
AS PART OF THAT, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOTIFY AREA BUSINESS OWNERS DIRECTLY LIKE WE DO? OR IS THAT OUTSIDE OF WELL, I, I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO THINK OF THE PRECEDENT THAT, THAT SETS FOR, UH, FUTURE CASES.
UM, THAT MAY ALSO BE CALLED UP.
AND IF WE DON'T DO IT THEN, OR EVEN OTHER, YOU KNOW, UM, OTHER, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE NOTICE VIA STATE LAW THAT WE DON'T NOTICE.
I JUST THINK IT'S, I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I MEAN, IF YOU DIRECT US TO DO THAT, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO IT.
I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA CREATE A, YOU KNOW, IT COULD CREATE AN EXPECTATION OF, IN ONE CASE WE'RE MANAGING THE, THE OUTREACH AND THE, AND THE, THE PUBLIC NOTICE ONE WAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER CASE TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY DO THAT.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER DONE IN, IN THAT CASE, PERHAPS WE NOT REQUIRE IT, BUT MAYBE THE TEAM IN THEIR CONVERSATION CAN SUGGEST THAT THEY REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE A ZONING CASE RECOMMEND THAT THEY REACH OUT TO HOAS.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO BRING THIS CASE UP FOR REVIEW.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, MR. CORAN? SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? BRINGING IT UP FOR A REVIEW.
RAND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
[10. CONSENT AGENDA ]
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 10, CONSENT AGENDA.CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND LEAVE.
GOT A MOTION MR. CORCORAN? SECOND.
AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.
[11. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]
GO TO ITEM 11.CALL ON COUNCIL FOR REPORT ON ANY ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.
JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I POSTED ABOUT IT ON FACEBOOK, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO COMMENT, UH, PUBLICLY ABOUT THE PASSING OF REPRESENTATIVE SHEILA JACKSON LEE FROM HOUSTON.
I HAD THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN 2005 TO INTERN FOR HER AND, UH, AS I, YOU KNOW, POSTED THERE, IT WAS A PIVOTAL TIME.
IT'S WHEN I DISCOVERED MY LOVE OF THE LAW AND SORT OF, UH, SET ME ON THE PATH I'M ON TODAY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HER, HER GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS, HER HER DECADES OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO TEXAS AND TO THE UNITED STATES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I HOPE EVERYONE, AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF PARTISAN VIEW, WILL JOIN ME IN CELEBRATING, UM, A, A LIFE WELL LIVED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BARRIOS.
UH, MAYOR, LAST WEDNESDAY, ON JULY 17TH, UH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN, UH, AT THE OPENING OF BOMBAY REPUBLIC.
UM, CHAMBER HAD A RIBBON CUTTING AND WE WERE WELL RECEIVED.
IT WAS QUITE AN EXCITING CEREMONY, AND I DON'T GET TO ATTEND A LOT OF THESE RIBBON CUTTINGS, SO I WAS, I WAS GLAD TO JOIN YOU ALL.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOU ATTEND A LOT OF THESE.
AND, UM, SO, SO I REALLY ENJOYED IT.
I'VE HAD A HANDFUL OF FRIENDS VISIT IT SINCE WE WERE THERE, AND EVERYBODY GIVES RAVE REVIEWS AND THIS IS OVER HERE LOCATED AT CAMPBELL AND 75 ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO PALM BAY REPUBLIC, GREAT FOOD, GREAT PEOPLE, AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE 'EM IN OUR CITY.
UM, MAYOR, I THINK MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY SAW THE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY THAT WE FINISHED ALL OF THE STORM CLEANUP TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO I JUST WANNA CONGRATULATE DON'S, UH, PUBLIC WORKS CITY, EVERYONE WHO IS INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, I THINK WE BEAT EVERY OTHER CITY AS FAR AS CLEANUP
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GOES.NOT THAT WE'RE COMPETITIVE, BUT ABSOLUTELY.
WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE POINT THAT OUT.
UM, BUT, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US AS A CITY COUNCIL WOULD CONGRATULATE YOU.
CITY STAFF, PUBLIC WORKS, EVERYBODY WHO IS INVOLVED FOR OUR JOB.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
OKAY.AT THIS TIME, CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW CONVENE IN A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 5, 5, 7 0.072 AND 5 5, 1 0.0 8, 7 1, AND TWO OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOP AND NEGOTIATIONS AND DISCUSSION OF LICENSE SLASH LEASE OF C CITY PROPERTY.
[RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION ]
COUNSEL WILL NOW RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION AT 9:53 PM THIS TIME.I WOULD CALL FOR A MOTION TO MR. HUT, MAYOR.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO AUTHORIZE, MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE A LICENSE AGREEMENT OR SIMILAR INSTRUMENT FOR A TEACHING SLASH FITTING FACILITY AT CHERYL PARK GOLF COURSE, INCLUDING ANY AMENDMENTS OR INSTRUMENTS THERE TOO.
THANK YOU, MRS. WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS, JUSTICE, PLEASE.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.
THAT PASSES ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.
IT PASSES SIX TO ONE WITH NO ONE.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 6:54 PM OR EXCUSE ME, 9:54 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.