* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YES, [00:00:01] SIR. I THINK WE'RE READY TO START. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, WELCOME TO THE, UH, AUGUST 7TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION. THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARDSON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES ON THE COMMISSION. UH, ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS. UM, AND TONIGHT WE JUST HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE. SO EVERYBODY WILL BE VOTING TONIGHT. UH, THIS MEETING IS A BUSINESS MEETING, AND WE, AND WE WILL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH. AND THAT REGARD, UH, PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES OR SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. UM, SO AS NOT TO INTERRUPT THE MEETING, OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHENEVER YOU COME TO THE PODIUM AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. UH, TONIGHT ON THE, UH, AGENDA, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. UH, EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST. THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEY MAY RESERVE ANY PORTION OF THIS TIME FOR A FINAL REBUTTAL. UH, TIME SPENT IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, IS NOT COUNTED AGAINST THE APPLICANT. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, REQUEST WILL ALSO BE GIVEN NORMALLY THREE MINUTES EACH. UH, WE MAY HAVE TO LIMIT THAT SLIGHTLY, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY FOLKS HERE TONIGHT WANT TO WANT TO SPEAK. UM, THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WHICH I, I I THINK THERE ARE. UH, IT'D BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD SELECT A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, TO PRESENT YOUR, UM, YOUR COMMENTS. UM, THE COMMISSION IS MAINLY INTERESTED IN GATHERING NEW AND RELEVANT, UM, INFORMATION. WE'RE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING THE SAME, UH, STORY OR REPETITION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UM, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COM, UH, COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. UH, AFTER A BRIEF REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT, THE HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED. SO THAT'S IT FOR THE RULES. UH, WE'LL GET [1. Approval of minutes of the regular business meeting of July 16, 2024.] ON WITH OUR AGENDA. AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF JULY 16TH, 2024. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SU I MOVE. WE, UH, APPROVE THE AMEN. THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. COMMISSIONER BEACH OFFICER. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, ITEM JU UH, NUMBER [2. Zoning File 24-17 Special Permit – Coram Deo Academy: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Permit for a private school on an 8.6-acre lot currently zoned Local Retail LR-M(2) located within an existing building at 1301 Abrams Road, on the east side of Abrams Road, north of Walnut Street. Owner: Don Kim, Binnerri Presbyterian Church. Staff: Derica Peters.] TWO ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 17, A SPECIAL PER PERMIT FOR CORUM DEO ACADEMY. AND, UH, TURN IT OVER TO MS. PETERS. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 1301 ABRAMS ROAD. THIS IS NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF ABRAMS AND WALNUT STREET. THE SUBJECT SITE IS ZONED LOCAL RETAIL TOO, AND HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH THE 70,000 SQUARE FOOT CHURCH. THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND EAST HAVE ALSO BEEN DEVELOPED WITH CHURCHES. TO THE SOUTH IS THE CITY OF DALLAS. THE CONVENIENCE STATION AND TO THE WEST IS AN UNDEVELOPED TRACT OF LAND OWNED BY THE RICHARDSON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE, AS SEEN TODAY FROM THE NORTH ELEVATION AND THE EAST ELEVATION, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, AND THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AS SEEN FROM ABRAMS ROAD. THE CURRENT CHURCH, UM, THAT OCCUPIES THIS BUILDING INTENDS TO VACATE. AND CORRUM DAY ACADEMY HAS REQUESTED A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL AT THIS LOCATION. THEY INTEND TO RELOCATE TO THIS LOCATION AND REPURPOSE THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE SCHOOL FOR GRADE GRADES PRE-K UH, THROUGH 12. UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS TWO STORY AND 45 FEET TALL AT THE HIGHEST. AND THE SITE IS 8.6 ACRES. THAT INCLUDES ABOUT FIVE ACRES THAT ARE INSIDE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. AND THE REMAINING THREE ACRES ARE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THIS CASE WAS LAST HEARD AS, UH, CASE 24 0 2, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR BEFORE THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THIS IS A REAPPLICATION FOR THAT CASE. SO THE APPLICANT, CORUM DEO ACADEMY PROVIDES A UNIQUE UNIVERSITY MODEL STYLE, UH, INSTRUCTION WHERE STUDENTS ARE ON CAMPUS FOR ONLY TWO TO THREE DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK WHILE THE REMAINDER OF THE WEEK THEY FINISH THEIR INSTRUCTION AT HOME. UH, THEY INTEND TO RELOCATE 442 STUDENTS FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION IN DALLAS. AND THIS SITE, UH, THEY EXPECT AT MAXIMUM WILL REACH 748 STUDENTS AT MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT. SINCE THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATING [00:05:01] SCHEDULED, THAT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF AROUND 400 STUDENTS PER DAY ON CAMPUS, THEY INTEND TO MAKE A FEW CHANGES TO THE SITE. THEY WILL ENHANCE THE CANOPY, THE COVERS, I'M SORRY, THEY WILL ENHANCE THE ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDING, WHICH ARE ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEY WILL ADD TWO ADDITIONAL PLAYGROUND AREAS TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, AND THEY WILL BE MEETING THE STATE AND CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR PLAY AREA. UH, THE CAMPUS WILL BE A CLOSED AND SECURED FA CAMPUS. SO THEY HAVE PROPOSED A FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, UH, TO BE EIGHT FOOT TALL AND TO BE TUBULAR METAL. THEY WILL ALSO BE ADDING ADDITIONAL HVAC UNITS AND SCREENING THOSE UNITS AND SCREENING THE EXISTING UNITS WITH A PRE-FINISHED METAL SCREENING WALL. AND THAT'S IN THE NORTHEAST OF THE PROPERTY. THEY'LL ALSO BE ADDING A REQUIRED STORM SHELTER TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S SHOWN IN THESE ELEVATIONS. THEY WILL PROVIDE A TOTAL OF 367 PARKING SPACES ON SITE. THIS WILL INCLUDE 200 PARKING SPACES FOR STUDENTS, STAFF, AND TEACHERS, AND 82 PARKING SPACES FOR VISITORS. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, UH, TRAFFIC AND QUEUING EXHIBITS FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW. THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT ALL NECESSARY QUEUING WILL BE ON SITE AND WILL NOT SPILL INTO THE RIDE OF WAY FOR STACKING. SO ALL VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO BE STACKED ON SITE AND A MAXIMUM OF 79 VEHICLES CAN STACK ON SITE. ACCORDING TO THE QUEUING PLANS, THE DROP OFF AND PICKUP TIMES WILL BE STAGGERED BY GRADE LEVEL AND THE CARS WILL BE ASKED TO AND BE DIRECTED TO ENTER THE SITE FROM THE MAIN DRIVEWAY ON ABRAMS ROAD. AND DURING ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL, THEY'LL BE ASKED TO EXIT THROUGH ONE OF THE TWO DRIVEWAYS TO THE NORTH. THERE WILL ALSO BE A NO LEFT TURN SIGN DURING PEAK HOURS ADDED TO THE ABRAMS ROAD DRIVEWAY AND THE RICHARDSON COLLEGE DRIVE DRIVEWAY. SO IN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT, YOU WILL SEE THE, UH, SUMMARY FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND THOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, WHICH INCLUDE A MAXIMUM OF 400 STUDENTS ON CAMPUS PER DAY. AND, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED, AS OF TODAY'S MEETING, WE HAVE RECEIVED 199 LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE, UH, IN OPPOSITION. AND I BELIEVE TONIGHT WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO PRESENT THEIR PROJECT AS WELL. AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. YEAH, COULD YOU PUT THE, UH, CONDITIONS UP THERE? UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THOSE ON THE SLIDE. OH, OKAY. BUT THOSE ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. SURE, GO AHEAD. WHAT, UH, OF THE, ON THE STORMS, UM, IT'S NOT A STORM CELLAR, BUT THE EQUIVALENT, UH, THE STORM SHELTER, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY? I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE 400 STUDENTS AND TEACHERS AND WHO KNOWS WHO ELSE ON CAMPUS. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN YOU SQUEEZE IN THAT BOSS? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CAPACITY IS, BUT THE SIZE WOULD MEET THE REQUIRED, UH, THE REQUIREMENT, UH, BASED ON THE BUILDING CODE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT AND, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS NOT REQUIRED. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND SO, AND ALSO THAT IT MET, UH, THE QUEUING, UH, ON SITE. UH, SO THERE, THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED BACKUP INTO ABRAMS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. YEAH. THE PROPOSED QUEUING ACTUALLY EXCEEDED THE, WHAT WE WOULD, UH, CONSIDER TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE. SO THEY DO HAVE SOME SURPLUS, UH, ON TOP OF THAT AS THEY REACH CAPACITY AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL GOES, OR EVERY DECEMBER 1ST OF EVERY YEAR. AS SOON AS THAT REACH THAT CAPACITY, THEY WILL NEED TO RE UH, REVIEW THEIR, UH, THEIR QUEUING ANALYSIS AND THEN SUBMIT THAT TO, UH, TO THE CITY OF, UH, RICHARDSON. YEAH. THEY HAVE A LOT OF LAND TO WORK WITH, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO POTENTIALLY MODIFY THAT IF THEY NEEDED TO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF QUEUING. YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. UM, AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, SOUTHBOUND ON ABRAMS, THERE IS A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE THERE TODAY. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO DURING DROP OFF PICKUP, UM, THERE, UH, VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT LEFT-HAND TURN INTO THE, INTO THAT MAIN ENTRY, RIGHT? YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. AND, UH, IS THERE ALSO, DO YOU RECALL AT, UH, RICHARDSON COLLEGE DRIVE IF THERE'S A LEFT TURN IN, IN AT, AT THAT LOCATION TOO? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT A AL UH, AS [00:10:01] A MATTER OF FACT, UH, AMBER HAS ONE UP. I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE PATHWAY FOR THE QUEUING AND ALL, BUT IF IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE USING THAT, UH, RICHARDSON COLLEGE DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE ABLE TO STILL MAKE THAT, THAT LEFT TURN IN THERE. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST, ALL RIGHT. WELL, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. SO, UM, AND PART OF THAT, UH, FOR THE AUDIENCE'S SAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID HEAR THIS CASE EARLIER IN THE YEAR. UH, EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION, UH, WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE PRIOR MEETING THAT'S CAME BEFORE THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, WAS APPROVED BY THIS OR RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION. IT'S SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, WHERE IT WAS DENIED. UH, THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S COMING BACK THROUGH US. BE, UH, AGAIN, UM, WE'VE HAD A BRIEFING SESSION, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, LACK OF QUESTIONS JUST MEANS WE, WE PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THE CASE PRETTY WELL AND HAVE SEEN IT, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW THE SECOND TIME. SO, UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UH, I, I GUESS WE WOULD ASK FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, MAKE THEIR REMARKS. MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE, UH, THE RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. THERE IS A, UH, SOUTHBOUND LEFT HAND TURN BAY THERE. OKAY. AT, AT RICHARDSON COLLEGE. ALL RIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS BRIT CHURCH. I RESIDE AT 5 1 6 WEST SHORE DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 0. UH, I SERVE IN A VOLUNTEER ROLE, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. UH, AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. UM, I'VE WORKED QUITE A BIT IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, WAS INVOLVED IN FIVE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS AT THE CITY LINE CAMPUS, THE MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS AT MY PREVIOUS COMPANY, UM, THOROUGHLY ENJOYED WORKING IN RICHARDSON. UH, THAT'S ONLY BEEN STRENGTHENED BY WORKING WITH DEREK AND SAM ON THIS CASE. UH, THAT'S JUST BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. AS WE GET STARTED, I'M GONNA HAVE JOHN JORDAN COME UP AND HE'S JUST GONNA DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SCHOOL ONE MORE TIME, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH, UH, JUST, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM CITY COUNCIL AND HOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE. AND WE'RE GONNA TRY NOT TO REGURGITATE THINGS Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY HEARD. SO JOHN JORDAN. GREAT. UH, MY NAME IS JOHN JORDAN. I HAVE A PLEASURE OF SERVING AS THE HEADMASTER OF THE DALLAS CAMPUS. I LIVE AT, UH, EIGHT 14 WESTWOOD DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 0. UM, AND SEVERAL OF OUR STAFF AND FAMILIES ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE, AS YOU CAN TELL, BUT WITH ME UP HERE IS ALSO, UM, OUR ARCHITECT NICK LEWIS, AND THEN DR. JEFF JOHNSON. OUR PRESIDENT IS AVAILABLE SHOULD YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM AS WELL. SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. AGAIN, WE'LL TRY NOT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. UM, SO OUR MISSION IS TO TRAIN ETHICAL SERVANT LEADERS AND WISE THINKERS WHO WILL SHAPE CULTURE FOR THE GLORY OF GOD. UM, WE DO THAT BY PARTNERING WITH CHRISTIAN FAMILIES AND THEIR CHURCHES. AND AS MUCH AS WE ARE PUSHING OUR STUDENTS WITH THEIR FAMILIES TOWARDS EXCELLENCE, UM, IN ACADEMICS AND FINE ARTS AND ATHLETICS, UH, MORE THAN THAT. AND ALONGSIDE WITH THAT, WE'RE TRAINING THEM IN WISDOM AND VIRTUE, UM, SO THAT ALL OF THAT KNOWLEDGE AND ALL OF THAT EXCELLENCE IS POINTED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN A NOBLE DIRECTION. SO WE ARE A FULLY ACCREDITED CLASSICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY MODEL SCHOOL, THREE CAMPUSES ACROSS NORTH TEXAS. OUR FACULTY ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD. MAJORITY OF THEM HOLD ADVANCED DEGREES. THEY'RE ALL REQUIRED TO BE, UM, WORKING TOWARDS THE A CCS MASTER TEACHER CERTIFICATION. AS A PRIVATE CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS, UH, SCHOOL, WE ARE VERY MUCH 100%, UH, PRIVATELY FUNDED. WE'RE CURRENT DAILY ENROLLMENT FOR THIS UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR IS IN 240 STUDENTS ON A GIVEN DAY, 480 TOTAL ON THE CAMPUS. UM, AND OUR MAXIMUM DAILY ENROLLMENT AS WE WOULD BUILD OUT, UH, WOULD NOT EXCEED THAT 400. AND THINGS LIKE THE STORM SHELTER AND OTHER ARE, ARE DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND. SO, UM, IT IS OUR DALLAS CAMPUS THAT IS SEEKING TO MOVE FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION AT TEMPLE SHALOM TO 1301 ABRAMS, AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HERE THIS EVENING. I'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT WOULD LOVE BRIT TO WALK US THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, AS WE GET STARTED, I THINK IT'D JUST BE HELPFUL TO WALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THIS TRACT. UH, CORAM DEO CONTRACTED WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER BACK IN AUGUST OF 2023 TO PURCHASE THIS FACILITY. IN THE FALL OF 23, WE BEGAN MEETING WITH SAM AND THE STAFF TO JUST WALK THROUGH, UH, WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE AS IT RELATED TO THE SUP. THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE THINGS AROUND THE STORM SHELTER AND OCCUPANCY FOR THAT CAME UP IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. UM, IN ADDITION, IN, UH, FALL OF 23, WE STARTED WORKING, UH, TO MEET ALL OF OUR ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND REACHED OUT TO ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION [00:15:01] TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WERE UNDER CONTRACT AND START THOSE DIALOGUES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING ANY CONCERNS, OUR ISSUES THAT MAY POP UP IN JANUARY. WE SUBMITTED OUR SUP TO STAFF AND WORKED WITH THEM TO ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS. THIS BECAME BEF, UH, CAME BEFORE THE CPC IN MARCH OF 24. UM, AND, UH, AS NOTED, UM, IT WAS APPROVED SEVEN OH, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED, WHICH WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED INTO THIS FOLLOW UP. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE SUBMITTED TO, OR WE MET WITH THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL OF 24, AND THAT, UH, REQUEST WAS DENIED, BUT THEY DID PROVIDE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS. AND SO I THINK IT'D BE PERTINENT TO WALK THROUGH THOSE COMMENTS AND HOW WE HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THOSE. UM, THE COMMENTS REALLY, THERE WAS A, A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE VIABILITY OF THIS BEING A POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF A USE OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. UM, AND SO, UH, THAT WAS ONE THING THAT CAME UP IN OUR DISCUSSION. OBVIOUSLY, THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS ONTO ABRAMS, UH, WAS A, A TOPIC AT THAT DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ONLY COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MODIFICATION TO OUR EXISTING APPLICATION. UM, THE NEXT WAS IMPACTS OF A SCHOOL USE AT THIS FACILITY AS IT RELATES TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE RISD LAND TO THE WEST. AND, AND WITH THAT EVER WENT INTO DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN, UM, IN FOLLOW UP DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, UH, COMMENTS AROUND FINANCIAL IMPACTS TO RISD AND THEN, UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO THE ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE, AND THEN THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH THOSE. UH, FIRST IS JUST THE THOUGHT THAT THIS COULD BE A REDEVELOPMENT TRACK. UM, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. IT WAS BUILT IN 1995 BY VENEER PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. THE ARCHITECTURE IS GREAT. UM, IT IS NOT A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE. IT'S BEEN VERY WELL MAINTAINED. THE INTERIOR SPACES ARE BEAUTIFUL. IT IS A, UM, A SPACE THAT WE CAN STEP INTO WITH SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO CLASSROOM SIZES TO UTILIZE FOR DECADES TO COME. THIS IS THE INTERIOR SANCTUARY THAT WE WOULD USE DAILY, UH, WHILE WE WERE AT SCHOOL HERE. AND SO, AS IT RELATES TO THIS BEING A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, IT'S JUST, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. IT'S NOT, UM, ADDITIONALLY RI DESIRES TO SELL THIS TO AN INSTITUTION THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE THEIR MISSION. UM, AND, AND THEY HAVE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF CHURCHES AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SCHOOLS. AND WE, WE ARE THE CURRENT CONTRACT PURCHASER. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS TRANSACTION'S BASED ON BUILDING PER SQUARE FOOT PRICING, NOT REDEVELOPMENT, LAND PRICING. SO, UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS, THIS IS THE ONE THING THAT REQUIRED A MODIFICATION TO OUR PLAN. AND THE DISCUSSION WAS REALLY AROUND LEFT TURN SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENTS ONTO ABRAMS DURING THE DROP OFF AND PICKUP, UH, TIMEFRAME. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE INSTALLED, UM, NO LEFT TURN LANES DURING DROP OFF AND PICKUP. UM, WE HAVE ALSO, UH, WE'VE INCLUDED THAT IN OUR CONCEPT PLAN AND ALSO IN OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, POLICE AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM OUT THERE TO HELP, UH, MANAGE TRAFFIC. UH, THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION. UM, AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS LOCATE OR ADDED BOTH INTO THE TIA INTO THE CONCEPT PLAN. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE HAVE THIS CURRENT PROHIBITION AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION. WE HAVE NO LEFT, UH, SOUTHBOUND TERMS TURNS ONTO HILLCREST. UH, WE HAVE OUR CURRENT LOCATION TRAFFIC CONTROLLED BY A DALLAS PD, UH, POLICE OFFICER. AND, UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO NORTHWOOD HILLS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE IN THERE. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR PARENTS ALL SIGN A COVENANT TO NOT CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT MAKE THAT TURN. AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM NORTHWOOD HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO, WE DID. AND WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2019 OR IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 2017. NEXT WAS THE IMPACT OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. AND REALLY THIS CENTERS AROUND THE LARGE VACANT TRACT OF LAND THAT'S OWNED BY THE RICHARDSON ISD TO THE WEST OF US. AND IT WAS AROUND AND CONCERNING TABC SPACING REQUIREMENTS FROM A SCHOOL USE VERSUS A CHURCH USE. UM, AND THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE RUN INTO SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF USES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO INTO A GREAT MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT THERE ON THAT LAND IF AND WHEN THAT EVER OCCURRED, UH, THAT WE DIDN'T TRIGGER THAT PROHIBITION. AND WE'VE WORKED WITH SAM AND STAFF, UM, ON THIS. THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON ABILITY FOR ALCOHOL SALES BASED ON OUR USE AS A SCHOOL, UH, TO THE LAND THAT'S TO THE WEST. UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS, UH, AND THIS WAS POST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IN FOLLOW UP DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POTENTIAL FINANCIAL IMPACTS TO RICHARDSON, ISD. UM, I THINK, AND JOHN MENTIONED THIS IN HIS, HIS MESSAGE, WE ARE A PRIVATE SCHOOL. WE ARE FULLY FUNDED BY THE PARENTS. UH, WE ARE NOT A CHARTER SCHOOL. I UNDERSTAND, I LEARNED THIS, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT I UNDERSTAND [00:20:01] THAT MANY CHARTER SCHOOLS ACTUALLY TAKE, UH, PUBLIC ISD FUNDS AND THEY'RE FUNNELED TO THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS OR TO THE CHARTER SCHOOLS. WE DO NOT TAKE ANY STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING. IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR BYLAWS THAT WE DO NOT TAKE, UH, THOSE TYPES OF FUNDS. AND SO, UH, CDA IS FUNDED BY THESE PEOPLE, UM, AND MANY OF THEM ARE FAMILIES WHO ARE ALSO PAYING INTO RISD TAXES. UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN RISD SINCE 2017, SO WE'RE NOT A NEW ADDITION TO RISD. UH, WE'VE BEEN AT PARK CENTRAL BAPTIST AND THEN AT TEMPLE SHALOM, BOTH LOCATIONS ALREADY WITHIN RSD. AFTER OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING WITH THOSE COMMENTS COMING UP, WE, UH, ACTUALLY WENT AND SAT DOWN WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT AND SU ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT OF RISD. UH, IT WAS STATED AT THAT MEETING THAT THEY WERE NOT OPPOSED TO OUR INITIAL APPLICATION. UM, THEY ALSO STATED THAT THEY'RE TAKING A NEUTRAL POSITION TO OUR CURRENT APPLICATION. AND THERE WERE MANY COMMENTS AROUND HOW THE STATE NEEDS TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER ON FUNDING BUDGET SHORTFALLS. SO, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THERE'S SOME TRUTH THERE PROBABLY. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, AND I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, UM, THE LAST CASE, WE, WE HAD BEEN MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS SINCE LAST FALL. UM, WE'VE HAD SO MANY MEETINGS ON THIS. UH, WE DID AN INSUFFICIENT JOB EXPRESSING THAT. UM, WE HAD FA WE HAD FAVOR WITH THE NEIGHBORS. UH, AND SO WE'VE MET WITH EVERY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER. WE'VE MET WITH RICHLAND, UH, PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. AND AS OF THIS EVENING, WE HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM RICHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THEY'RE ACTUALLY HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK. UM, WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE ABERFELDY PROPERTY GROUP, WHICH OWNS THE ADJOINING OFFICE BUILDINGS. WE SHARE THAT ACCESS DRIVE WITH THEM. WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE GUARA SIKH TEMPLE, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF OURS. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM ON A NUMBER OF, OF, UH, KIND OF JOINT EFFORTS. THE SUPPORT FROM EMANUEL DENTAL, WHICH IS AN ADJACENT BUSINESS OWNER THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS, AND WE ARE ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM AND TALK WITH THEM ABOUT HOW WE WERE HANDLING OUR TRAFFIC. UM, I KNOW WE HAVE 199 LETTERS OF SUPPORT. UM, MANY OF THOSE ARE NON CDA AFFILIATED CITY OF RICHARDSON RESIDENCE. UH, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME, UH, FOLKS THAT ATTEND CDA THAT HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT. AND, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, THERE ARE NO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE OPPOSITION. IT'S THAT WHEN WE DID HAVE OPPOSITION, WE SAT DOWN WITH THEM AND WE TALKED TO THEM AND WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. UM, AND SO OUR REQUEST THIS EVENING, UM, THIS ISN'T A, UH, I THINK WE'VE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP FROM COUNCIL. UM, WE HAVE AMPLE ADJACENT OWNER, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND CITY OF RICHARDSON RESIDENT SUPPORT FOR OUR REQUEST. UM, THIS IS A PROPER USE FOR A FAN IN A FANTASTIC BUILDING, AND IT JUST, IT'S A, A CREATIVE TO THE VITALIZATION OF THIS CORRIDOR FOR THE LONG TERM FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. AND OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS AGAIN AND ALLOW US TO GO BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS IN LIEU OF TAKING ALL OF Y'ALL'S TIME FOR THAT. UH, IF YOU ARE IN HERE, UH, FOR FAVOR FOR THE CCD A'S REQUEST, COULD YOU PLEASE STAND UP NOW WE'RE REQUESTING THAT NONE OF Y'ALL SPEAK . UM, AND SO, UH, PLEASE SIT DOWN. WE APPRECIATE THAT. UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UM, UH, MR. JERRY WALKER IS GONNA COME UP AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF RICHLAND PARK, PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THEN WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ER, PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH WHO WAS GONNA SPEAK. AND WE WILL SAVE YOU FROM, UH, A LINE OF, UH, RESIDENTS THAT WANNA VOCALIZE THE SAME OPINION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PURDY. THANK YOU. UM, ON THE CONTENTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE IMPACT TO RSID FINANCES, WAS THAT PRIMARILY STATE FUNDING OR WERE THEY ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT JUST DRAWING STUDENTS AWAY FROM RSID? NO, THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT WE WERE A CHARTER SCHOOL. THEY THOUGHT THAT WE WERE A CHARTER SCHOOL, AND SO THERE WAS A MISCONCEPTION OF WHAT TYPE OF ACTUAL SCHOOL THAT WE WERE. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE A 400 AND, UH, FOUR 80 STUDENT SCHOOL RIGHT NOW. WE MAX OUT AT 748 STUDENTS. UM, RASD HAS 35,000 STUDENTS. UM, I WOULD TELL YOU, I, I LOVE THE WORK OF ALL EDUCATION. ANYBODY THAT'S TRYING TO POUR INTO THE STUDENTS OF RICHARDSON, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT WORK. OUR ONE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SUPPORTED OUR REQUEST AT CITY COUNCIL IS A PUBLIC ISD TEACHER. UM, AND SO IT'S GREAT WORK. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT OUR FAMILIES WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THEY SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL [00:25:01] TWICE A WEEK. THEY'RE TEACHING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT HOME. IT'S A DIFFERENT MODEL. UM, AND SO IT'S NOT, THESE AREN'T FAMILIES THAT ARE CHOOSING CDA OR RICHARDSON ISD. IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF PRONG OF THE FORK OF EDUCATING THE NEXT GENERATION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SU. YES. YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, YOU HAD SOME, SOME ELEMENTS OF OPPOSITION AND YOU ADDRESSED THOSE. COULD YOU CHARACTERIZE WHAT KIND OF OPPOSITION THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE CARS ALONG ABRAMS, AS YOU GUYS ARE DROPPING OFF YOUR STUDENTS. THERE'S GONNA, AND WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW. NO, WE ACTUALLY QUEUE ALL, EVERYTHING ON SITE. WE HAVE SO MUCH QUEUING SPACE, UM, THE WAY THAT WE BREAK THAT, UM, UH, THERE WAS, UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS ONE, I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS ONE, RIGHT? AND BEING ABLE TO SHOW THE, UM, ABILITY TO, UM, QUEUE ON SITE. THE OTHER ONE WAS PARKING. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR YOUR STUDENTS? WE HAVE 201 PARKING SPACES JUST ON RICHARDSON THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE A 163 ISH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, ON THE DALLAS THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN GETTING TO COUNT TO OUR REQUIRED PARKING BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO WE HAVE AMPLE PARKING. SO THE, THE THINGS THAT DID HAVE OPPOSITION, WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY AND MOVE THOSE PEOPLE FROM CONCERN TO SUPPORTERS. ONE OTHER QUESTION YOU MENTIONED, UM, YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF, UH, ARI PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. YES, SIR. ARE THEY, UH, FORMALLY AFFILIATED WITH YOU? NO, SIR. OR NO, SIR. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, AND I, I DIGRESS A BIT, BUT, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT SO MANY BUILDINGS, UM, TO TRY TO MOVE. AND, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE TOUGH BECAUSE THE PERSON YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD, BUY THE BUILDING FROM IS NOT THRIVING. UM, THIS CHURCH IS THRIVING. UH, THE REASON THAT THEY ARE SELLING IS BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY CLOSER TO A MAJOR PART OF THEIR CONGREGANTS. AND SO IT'S JUST BEEN, IT'S BEEN A FUN TRANSACTION TO SEE THEM THRIVE AND US KIND OF WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. IT'S, IT'S, UH, BUT THEY HAVE NO AFFILIATION. THEY'RE A KOREAN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. ALRIGHT, SO THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COMM BEACH, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT, UH, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE CARS ALONG ABRAMS. YEAH. AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM, BUT I CAN THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON, ON BELT LINE OR ON, UH, SHILOH, UM, EITHER EARLY MORNING OR LATE IN THE EVENING, YEAH. YOU'RE IN PURGATORY. I MEAN, YES, YOU ARE JUST, THERE'S SO MANY VEHICLES, IT'S ALL, SO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION. I'M GLAD YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT ISSUE. WE HAVE ANOTHER DIGRESSION COMMENT HERE. JUST, JUST TO DIGRESS. I, I DRIVE PAST, I DRIVE DOWN THE BELTLINE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF TO GET FROM WHERE I LIVE TO OUR CURRENT, UM, LOCATION. AND I'M REMINDED EVERY DAY THAT PRIVATE SCHOOL PERMITS REQUIRE ALL QUEUING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY. AND THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR ALL SCHOOLS, JUST FOR ALL PRIVATE SCHOOLS, . SO, YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I KNOW YOU HAD A FEW OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU SAID MIGHT WANNA SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF. I, I THINK WE'RE GOOD AS THE APPLICANT, YOU OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'LL BE A COUPLE PEOPLE. WE WILL, UH, WE'LL REQUEST THE OTHERS NOT. UM, OKAY. WE JUST APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME. YEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. YOU, UH, UH, WELL AGAIN, THIS IS A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. UH, ANYBODY IS INVITED TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. UM, UM, AND, UH, JUST TRY TO KEEP YOUR REMARKS SHORT AND BRIEF. UM, AND APPRECIATE IF YOU ALL HAVE THOSE THAT STOOD IN UNISON. WE UNDERSTAND YOUR SUPPORT. UH, WE'VE READ ALL YOUR LETTERS. UH, THAT TOOK A WHILE TO GET THROUGH ALL THOSE. THAT WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PACKAGES SO FAR. SO, UH, BELIEVE ME, I READ EVERY ONE OF THE LETTERS AND, UH, SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE PASSION YOU HAVE FOR YOUR SCHOOL AND, UH, HOW MUCH YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR RICHARDSON. UH, SO WE APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. UH, BUT I WILL INVITE ANYONE, ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. UM, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE. AGAIN, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JERRY WALKER AND I LIVE AT FIVE 11 GOODMAN DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, 7 5 0 8 1. AND IF YOU KNOW THE ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN RICHLAND PARK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE, TO THE COR TO, TO THE BUILDING. AND IT, I'VE LIVED HERE. MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 13 YEARS. IN ADDITION, I GREW UP IN THE AREA, GRADUATED FROM BERGER HIGH SCHOOL MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. I CURRENTLY SERVE THE RICHLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS THE TREASURER AND ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, AND OUR BOARD, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS OR OPPOSITION TO CORAM DEO RELOCATING TO THE RICHARDSON [00:30:01] ABRAMS LOCATION. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IF I MAY, WHILE MY WIFE AND I DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE AN AFFILIATE AFFILIATED INTEREST IN CORAM DEJO, WE DO FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS SOUTHEAST RICHARDSON AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE, I, I THINK IT TAKES THE COLLECTIVE WORK OF THE CITY ORGANIZATIONS, SCHOOLS, AND CITIZENS TO FOSTER A COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE EAGER TO JOIN. AND IN MY OPINION, CORRUM DE REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THEM IN OUR AREA. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS DONALD KIM, UH, 1301 ABRAMS ROAD. UH, I'M A, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE SESSION AT BENETTI PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. AND ON BEHALF OF OUR CONGREGATION, I LIKE TO EXPRESS THAT, UH, OUR SUPPORT FOR THE DALE MOVING INTO CITY OF RICHARDSON. AND WE ARE SO EXCITED TO HAVE THEM HERE. UH, AS WE PREPARED THE, UH, RELOCATION PROGRESS, SELLING OUR PROPERTY WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR PLAN. AND IN JUNE OF, UH, 2022, WE LISTED OUR PROPERTY. AND BY LAST FALL, WE ARE ABLE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE, UH, DALE ACADEMY. SO WE ARE VERY PLEASED AND EXCITED TO HAVE DALE CONTINUE TO USE OUR PROPERTY, UH, TO EDUCATE STUDENTS AND IN A, UH, FAITH-BASED CHRISTIAN SCHOOL THAT WILL BENEFIT CITY OF RICHARDSON, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY GREAT TO WORK WITH THEM. AND WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THEIR REQUEST OF ZONING CHANGE. SO I HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I DON'T THINK THEY WANNA STAY THAT LONG EITHER, DO THEY? UH, HOW ABOUT ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION? NO KIDDING. . UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE ANY, ANY FINAL REMARKS? GREAT. WE GOOD? OKAY. WELL, I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, UH, WE GOT A, A MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING IN A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF COMMISSIONER SU UH, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF STAFF. YEAH. BUT, UH, A COMMENT. UM, WE, WE HAVE, THIS IS PERHAPS THE LARGEST ATTENDANCE WE'VE HAD AT ONE OF OUR, OUR MEETINGS, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, UH, COMPLIMENT CORRUM DEO ON WELL, WHAT YOU PROVIDE. UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A WELL-BEHAVED GROUP, , AND THE CHILDREN MUST DO A GOOD JOB OF TELLING THEIR PA PARENTS TO, UH, REPRESENT THEM WELL, , UH, UM, I'M, UH, I VOTED FOR THIS THE FIRST TIME. IT WAS BEFORE US, AND I EXPECT TO THIS TIME. RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO. WELL, WITH NOR OTHER COMMENTS QUEUED UP, I, I MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT THE APPROVE OR, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR, UH, AGENDA ITEM TWO, UH, 24 DASH 17 AS PRESENTED. SECOND, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, AGENDA ITEM TWO AS PRESENTED. UH, AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY. GOOD LUCK WITH COUNSEL . ALL RIGHT. AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY OR YOU CAN GO, UH, . WE DO HAVE ONE, ONE OTHER CASE. [00:35:37] OKAY. WE'LL GET [3. Zoning File 24-18 Special Development Plan – The Nest Wellness Village: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Development Plan to allow a non-residential mixed-use health and wellness center comprised of multiple buildings in lieu of residential development on 1.33 acres, including 0.042 acres for a total of 1.37 acres currently zoned Main Street/Central Expressway PD Planned Development District (Main Street Sub-District) located at the southeast corner of E. Kaufman Street and S. Texas Street. Owner: Scott Sanders and the City of Richardson. Staff: Derica Peters.] ON WITH, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE. THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 18 SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE NEST WELLNESS VILLAGE. AND THIS IS ALSO MS. PETERS, TAKE US THROUGH THIS. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TEXAS STREET AND KAUFMAN STREET IN THE MAIN STREET, SUBDISTRICT OF THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM-BASED CODE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY, UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS, UH, COMPRISED OF FOUR VACANT LOTS SEEN HERE. IN TOTAL, THERE ARE 1.37 ACRES. AND AS SEEN HERE IN THE PHOTOS, UH, YOU SEE THE SITE TODAY LOOKING EAST AND THEN LOOKING WEST AT THE SITE. UH, TONIGHT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL USES TO ESTABLISH A HEALTH AND WELLNESS VILLAGE. THIS SUB AREA OF THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY MAIN STREET SUBDISTRICT IS LIMITED TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY, MEANING RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY OR MIXED USE CONTAINING RESIDENTIAL OR LIVE WORK UNITS. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE PROPOSED, UH, THE ADDITION OF THESE LISTED USES HERE THAT ARE, UH, TYPICAL WITH A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. THOSE INCLUDE RETAIL, RESTAURANT, PERSONAL CARE SERVICES, AND HEALTH CLUBS. THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING APPROVAL TO ALLOW SPECIAL PERMITS ON A WEEKLY, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS ON A WEEKLY BASIS. THIS, THESE MAY INCLUDE OUTDOOR YOGA CLASSES, UM, EVENTS FOR FAMILIES, MOTHERS, AND WOMEN HELD BY THE, UH, NONPROFIT THAT THE APPLICANT RUNS CALLED THE NEST MOTHERHOOD NONPROFIT. SO TONIGHT'S APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED BY THE NEST. UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED THE A BY THE APPLICANT SHOWN HERE SHOWS THE DEVELOPMENT WITH SEVEN INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS BEING 18,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL. BUILDING NUMBER ONE SHOWN AT THE TOP IS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE SITE OFF OF EAST KAUFMAN STREET. UH, THE SITE WILL ALSO BE ENCLOSED BY A SIX FOOT TALL TUBULAR STEEL OR METAL FENCE ALONG SOUTH TEXAS STREET THAT WILL CONNECT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. IT WILL ALSO TIE INTO A NEW WOODEN FENCE TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. THE BUILDINGS ARE LAID OUT SO THAT THEY ARE FACING THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE. THEY SURROUND A, UH, COURTYARD THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 10,800 SQUARE FEET THAT IS, UH, INTENDED TO BE USED FOR OUTDOOR GATHERINGS AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. BUILDING NUMBER ONE IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL BUILDINGS, TWO THROUGH SEVEN ARE EACH 2000 SQUARE FEET. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED AN ADDITIONAL USE AS A COMMUNITY GUARD OF A COMMUNITY GARDEN. AND THIS IS SHOWN IN THE SOUTHEAST OF THE PROPERTY. THIS SITE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 60 PARKING SPACES PROVIDED. UH, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN ON THEIR CONCEPT PLAN TO PROVIDE 47 PARKING SPACES IN THE ON STREET AREA ON TEXAS STREET AND KAUFMAN STREET. AND THEY PROPOSED TO SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH AN, WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING PROVIDED AT THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. THE, UH, STREET SCAPE ALONG TEXAS STREET WILL BE REDESIGNED TO MEET THE CURRENT STREET DA STREET STREET SCAPE STANDARDS FOR A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, A SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE AMENITY ZONE, AND PARALLEL PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF TEXAS STREET AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KAUFMAN STREET. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE PROPOSED PERPENDICULAR PARKING ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF TEXAS STREET, AND THIS IS A DEVIATION FROM THE APP, UH, APPROVED STREET SCAPE FOR THIS SUBDISTRICT. HOWEVER, THEY BELIEVE PER, THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT PERPENDICULAR PARKING WILL PROVIDE MORE PARKING. THEY HAVE SHOWN AND PROVIDED THE ATTACH, UH, THESE, UH, CHARACTER REFERENCE IMAGES THAT SHOW THE STYLE AND THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS. THIS IS THE PRIMARY BUILDING THAT WILL FACE ON THE KAUFMAN. IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A WRAPAROUND PORCH. AND THEN THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE WHERE YOU SEE THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF EACH OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS TWO THROUGH SEVEN WILL FACE TOWARDS THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE. THE APPLICANT [00:40:01] HAS REQUESTED, UH, IN THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AN ALLOWANCE FOR THE TWO STORY BUILDING, THE PRIMARY BUILDING TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT THAT'S, UH, ALLOWED HERE OF 27 FEET TO INSTEAD, UH, GO AS TALL AS 40 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE RIDGE OF THE ROOF. UM, ALSO AS PART OF THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A WAIVER ON THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE BUILDING FOR THE FACE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT FACE ONTO TEXAS STREET FRONTAGE. UH, THEY MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED TO LOOK LIKE THE FRONT OF A BUILDING SINCE THEY ARE THE REAR OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN. SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THOSE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITEMS. SINCE THIS SITE, UH, HAS, UH, SOME UNIQUE FEATURES IN THE WEIGHTS THAT IT'S LAID OUT, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE TO A T. SO THERE ARE SOME I AREAS IDENTIFIED WHERE THEY WILL NEED A MODIFICATION. AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND THE CONDITIONS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE VILLAGE ARE PROPOSED TO BE DAILY FROM 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND AS ANOTHER CONDITION, AS I'LL REMIND YOU, A MINIMUM OF 47 PARKING SPACES ON STREET WILL BE PROVIDED. AND IN SUMMARY, WE RECEIVED TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE AND SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST AND NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. UH, COMMISSIONER BEACH. UM, I, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND NOW THIS IS A, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT. UH, WHAT, WHAT I'M WONDERING, LET ME CUT TO THE CHASE. WHAT I'M WONDERING IS LIKE ALL OF THOSE, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE SAYING, WELL, WE WANT TO ADD THIS, WE WON'T HAVE THESE DIFFERENT USES AND THAT KIND OF THING. IF, UH, IF IT WERE SOLD, IF THE NEST DECIDED TO SELL THE PROPERTY, WOULD ALL OF THOSE GO AWAY OR, UH, OR IS THIS GOING INTO PERPETUITY? SO THIS SPECIAL PER, THIS IS NOT A SPECIAL PERMIT, THIS IS A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT WITH SPECIAL PERMITS, WE TYPICALLY LIMIT THEM TO ONE RIGHT. OPERATOR. THAT IS NOT A TYPICAL CONDITION OF A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THIS JUST GOES ON FOREVER. IF WE DECIDE THAT'S RIGHT TO CHANGE THIS, IT'S, IT'S FROM NOW TILL WHENEVER. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, LEMME GO TO COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO. YEAH, SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE PARALLEL PARKING. WOULD THAT, WOULD THE PARALLEL PARKING ALSO HAVE THE, THE NECESSARY SIDEWALK, OR IS THAT IN LIEU OF THE SIDEWALK? DOES THE SIDEWALK DISAPPEAR WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTH, WHEN YOU GET TO THE PARALLEL PARKING? OR DOES IT, DOES IT KIND OF WORK AROUND IT? I WASN'T SURE, UH, VISUALLY WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING ME THERE. OKAY. SO TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON TEXAS STREET IS PARALLEL PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS REQUIRED IN THE STREETSCAPE. UM, THE STREETSCAPE FOR THE WEST SIDE IS LIMITED TO JUST SHOW THIS PARALLEL PARKING. AND THEN THE CENTRAL TRAIL, THERE'S NO PROPOSED SIDEWALK ON THIS SIDE. AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE, HOW DOES IT WORK? THE EAST SIDE IS PERPENDICULAR PARKING AND THEY STILL SHOW THAT SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK. OKAY. SO, SO IT WOULD BE PRESERVED. IT WILL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD KINDA GO AWAY OR WOULD BE PRESERVED. I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T REALLY TELL FROM THE COLOR SCHEME. THEY WILL NEED TO DONATE ADDITIONAL RIDE OR DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIDE OF WAY FOR THAT. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, UM, LEMME CHECK REAL QUICK HERE. OH, THE, THE, UM, TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, SOME OF THE PARKING IS GONNA BE PUBLIC, CORRECT? THEY'RE GONNA USE PUBLIC SHARED PARKING. IS THERE A KIND OF A, A STANDARD LIMITATION TO HOW MUCH OF THAT YOU CAN HAVE, OR SOME CONCERN ABOUT HOW MUCH OF YOUR PARKING COULD BE, YOU KNOW, OUTSOURCED, SO TO SPEAK? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A LIMITATION. THERE IS A DISTANCE CRITERIA THAT IT CAN EXCEED 600 FEET FROM THE SITE. UH, WHICH IS THE REASON WE KINDA LOOKED AT, UH, PROVIDING PARALLEL PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF TEXAS AND PERPENDICULAR PARKING IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES, UH, WHICH WE COULDN'T ACHIEVE WITHOUT GOING TO A, TO A PERPENDICULAR PARKING DESIGN. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS ON THE PORCH ON FRONT, ON THE FRONT ON KAUFMAN STREET. UH, SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, HOW FAR WOULD THE ACTUAL PORCH BE? FROM THE STREET OR FROM THE SIDEWALK? I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T REALLY FIGURE OUT THE CALCULATION PROBABLY 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE, UM, IT SAYS, LEMME SEE HERE, UH, [00:45:02] PLACEMENT. YEAH. SO THE ZERO TO 10 FEET, NO, THAT'S NOT IT. SORRY. THEY'RE SOMEWHERE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW MUCH ACTUAL SPACE THERE WOULD BE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, THE ACTUAL BETWEEN THE ACTUAL STREET AND THE, AND THE KIND OF PORCH THEY WANNA BUILD OUT FROM. RIGHT. WELL, THE ACTUAL EDGE OF THE, UH, OF THE OVERHANG, THE PORCH ITSELF IS AT THE PROPERTY LINE. UH, OKAY. SO SO THAT WOULD GO ALMOST, THAT WOULD GO TO THE SIDEWALK ESSENTIALLY? NO, SIR. UH, ALONG, WELL IT ALL DEPENDS WHETHER IT'S KAUFMAN OR TEXAS, BUT ALONG TEXAS IT WOULD GO TO THE, UH, IT WOULD GO TO THE SIDEWALK. OKAY. AND ALONG KAUFMAN IT WOULD BE PROBABLY 10 FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK ITSELF. THE, THE, BUT THE ACTUAL PORCH WOULD GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. THE GRAY LINE IS THE SIDEWALK AND THE GREEN'S LANDSCAPING? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE YELLOW IS THE PORCH? YES. OH, I SEE. I SEE. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M NOT GETTING THAT. I WAS LIKE, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT HERE? YEAH, IT'S UP THERE. YOU GOTTA LOOK. YOU GOTTA LOOK. I COULDN'T, UNLESS YOU'RE COLORBLIND. I COULDN'T TELL ON IT. , I'M NOT COLORBLIND. I'M JUST, UH, NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I'M GOOD. UH, COMMISSIONER BONAC. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THE SHARED PARKING IN THE STUDY SESSION. I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS AND AND WHO IS THAT SHARED WITH? SO THAT'S THIS PUBLIC PARKING LOT RIGHT HERE BENEATH, UH, THAT'S VACATION, STAYCATION COFFEE MADE IN POLK. IS THAT OKAY? THANK YOU. NOW, IS THAT PUBLIC PARKING LOT OWNED BY THE CITY? YES SIR. IT IS. YEAH. OKAY. UH, AND THE, AS FAR AS 47 PARKING SPACES, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PARALLEL SPACES ON THE WEST SIDE OF TEXAS? YES, IT DOES. IT DOES. OKAY. DID, UM, DID STAFF EVER LOOK AT, UM, A, UH, ANGLED PARKING? WE DID, BUT THEN ON THE EAST SIDE WE DID, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT, UM, THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT, UH, WEST PROPERTY ON THAT WE COULDN'T GET THOSE ANGLED PARKING. UH, IN ALSO, ONCE WE GET BEYOND THAT, THEN WE GET INTO DART RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE CAN'T A ASK DART TO, UH, TO MITIGATE, TO DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. I'M ASKING ON THE EAST SIDE, RIGHT WHERE WE LOOKED ON WHERE THE STRAIGHT END HEAD, HEAD END PARKING. CORRECT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT ANGLE PARKING, WHETHER IT'S NORTHBOUND OR SOUTHBOUND. AND IT WOULD CREATE THAT SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD START TO, UH, IT WOULD REQUIRE TRAFFIC TO ACCESS THE SITE FROM A VERY SPECIFIC DIRECTION IF WE DID GO TO AN ANGLE PARKING. YEAH. SO IF YOU WERE, UH, IF IT WAS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TEXAS, WHICH IS THE NORTHBOUND LANE, CORRECT. UM, YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ANGLE NORTHWARD, NORTHEASTERLY FACING. YES. CORRECT. SO, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO MAKE THAT TURN'S CORRECT. YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT TURN? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT MOVEMENT. SO THEY'D ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO WORK THEIR WAY AROUND THE BLOCK TO COME BACK UP NORTHBOUND. WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF RESTAURANTS IN THERE, YOU DIDN'T APPLY THE PARKING RATIO FOR, UH, FOR RESTAURANTS TO ANY OF THE SPACE WE LOOKED AT? I BELIEVE THE PARKING RATIO FOR RETAIL IS THE SAME FOR RESTAURANTS. UM, I'VE GOT THE CODE IN FRONT OF ME, SO LET ME MAKE SURE, I BELIEVE YOU GOT THREE PER, IT'S ONE PER 300 FOR, FOR ALL OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES? YEAH. THERE IS NO SPECIFIC, UH, PARKING RATIO FOR A RESTAURANT IN, IN, IN THE MAIN STREET, SUBDISTRICT. OKAY. OH, IN THE MAIN STREET. OKAY. CORRECT. AND THEN WHAT WAS THE, WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND, UM, THE WOODEN FENCE ALONG THE, I I BELIEVE IT'S THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE NEIGHBORING THE RESIDENTIAL IS THAT, IS THAT WOODEN FENCE, UM, PROPOSED THE ENTIRE EASTERN AS THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OR, OR A PORTION OF IT THAT, THAT FENCE IS PROPOSED ALONG THAT EAST PROPERTY LINE HERE. AND THEN I GUESS WE COULD CALL IT THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND THEN ALONG THE EAST. [00:50:01] SO THAT'S IN LIEU OF HAVING A MASONRY WALL. AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL, SIX FOOT, EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE IN THAT AREA. SO THE APP, I BELIEVE WHAT THE, AND YOU MAY NEED TO, UH, GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO REBUILD THAT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL FENCE, UH, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THEREFORE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE DEVIATION FROM HAVING A MASONRY WALL AND A RESIDENTIAL FENCE ABUTTING EACH OTHER. SO IT'S A REPLACEMENT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A SIX FOOT WOODEN FENCE? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UH, GLAZING REQUIREMENTS AND FINISHES? UH, AGAIN, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE DISTRICT? UH, JUST CAN YOU JUST REVIEW THAT ONE MORE TIME WITH ME? SO I'LL ALL GROUND FLOOR FACADES SHOULD HAVE 50% GLAZING ON ALL FACADES. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REDUCING THAT ON MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THE FACADES, UH, IN ORDER TO MAKE A MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL TO THE BUNGALOWS. OKAY. WELL THAT, THAT'S JUST ON THE, UH, THAT'S JUST ON THE PUBLIC STREETS, RIGHT? THAT WHERE THAT REQUIREMENT COMES INTO PLAY? RIGHT. OKAY. AND THE PROPOSAL, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY, BUT THEY HAVE SAID THEY WILL PROBABLY NOT MEET THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. SO IS THERE A CONDITION, UH, OR, UH, THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED AS TO DEAL WITH THAT? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ONE RECOMMENDED HERE, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT. NO. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET IT THE WAY IT'S, OH, I'M SORRY. IT IS CONCLUDED IN THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS A MODIFIED CONDITION? YES. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO IT'S, IT'S A MODIFIED, SO THAT, JUST TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THAT MODIFIED CONDITION IS. SO THAT ONE IS THE, UM, SO IT'S NOT A CONDITION, LET ME SEE HERE. SOME OF THESE ARE LISTED IN THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE FACE OF THE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN, AND SOME OF THEM ARE INCLUDED HERE. UH, SO THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR RELATED TO THE GLAZING AND THE FACADE IS NOT INCLUDED HERE. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL GO OVER THAT WITH THE APPLICANT. SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITION NUMBER ONE OF THE PLAN ITSELF, THE CONCEPT PLAN IS THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO WHATEVER'S LISTED ON THAT CONCEPT PLAN IS PART OF THOSE, THOSE CONDITIONS. NOW, THE ONE THING THAT I DO NEED TO CORRECT IS THE PUBLIC PARKING IS NOT OWNED BY THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY. UH, IT IS OWNED BY A PRIVATE, UH, LANDOWNER. DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HOW LONG A LEASE OR CONTRACT THE CITY HAS ON THAT OR NO? OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A LONG TERM LEASE, UH, INTENDED TO BE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE AREA REDEVELOPS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE EXACT TERM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. AND, UM, IS THERE ANY BACKGROUND YOU CAN GIVE ON THE, UH, WHY THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, LIMITED THIS AREA TO RESIDENTIAL? ONLY WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS GOING THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH IS, UH, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL WOULD HAVE ON THEIR HOMES. UH, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY THERE IS OWNED BY, UH, THE KINDER FAMILY. UH, SO THEY PETITION COUNSEL TO RESTRICT THE TYPES OF USES, UH, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT, UH, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF, OF THAT BLOCK. UH, AND AS SUCH, THE, UH, THE COMMISSION OR I, I BELIEVE COUNSEL ACTUALLY, UH, ENACTED THAT RESTRICTION AS TO HOW THAT PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED. NOW I DO KNOW THE KINDERS ARE HERE TONIGHT, UH, SO THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF? OH, COMMISSIONER SUTER. YES. THE, UM, THE LOTS TO THE EAST OF, OF THIS, UH, THIS PLAN, ARE THOSE LOTS EMPTIED OR ARE THEY CURRENTLY [00:55:01] BUILT UPON? THERE'S AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOME DIRECTLY TO THE EAST. UH, SOME OF IT IS UNDEVELOPED, UH, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE ON, ON EAST PHILLIPS STREET. UH, OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK TO THE PARKING JUST TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS CLEAR AGAIN. SO THE, ON TEXAS STREET, WELL, I GUESS WE'RE TALKING ALSO KAUFMAN, BUT MAINLY ON TEXAS. UM, THOSE ARE ALL IN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. THEY WILL BE ONCE RIGHT OF WAY IS DEDICATED AND MOST OF THE, WELL, ALL THE DEDICATION WILL COME OFF THE EAST SIDE OF TEXAS. OKAY. SO THE EAST, THE EASTERN, UH, PARKING SPACES ARE CURRENT, ARE IN EFFECT ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY LINE EAST OF THE THE PROPERTY LINE? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. EAST OF THE EXISTING TEXAS RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT PROPERTY LINE IS ROUGHLY RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. UM, THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU JUST LOST ME THERE, . NO, I KNOW COMMISSIONER SUTHER GOT IT, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET THAT ONE. NO. SO THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY IS THIS LINE RIGHT HERE. OH, THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE WITH THEIR PROPOSAL, THEY WILL DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE HEAD END PARKING, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. SO, SO WITH THE, WITH THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, UM, THE CITY HAS, THE CITY COULD ONLY PUT IN THE PARALLEL PARKING, I SUPPOSE THAT'S CORRECT, RIGHT? OR CORRECT. YEAH. THIS LINE LINE RIGHT HERE, ORANO OR ANOTHER TRAFFIC LANE IF IT CHOSE TO, WELL, RIGHT NOW THAT LINE I BELIEVE IDENTIFIES THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE WEST RIGHT OF WAY FOR TEXAS. SO WE'RE HOLDING THAT RIGHT OF WAY. UH, SO THESE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ARE WITHIN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY, EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. UH, AND NOW, SO YOU'VE GOT 51 53 FEET OF RIGHT, OF CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY FROM THIS POINT TO THAT POINT. AND THEN THEY'LL DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, TEXAS. OKAY. BUT THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPROVING THOSE PARKING SPACES. THE CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO, UH, TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY IN, IN REGARDS TO PAVING AND, AND, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PHOTOS THEMSELVES, YOU CAN SEE THE ASPHALT PAVING AND THEN OF COURSE THE BAR DITCHES. SO, SO IN ORDER TO MEET OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THEY ARE WILLING TO CONSTRUCT THAT PORTION OF TEXAS FROM KAUFMAN SOUTHBOUND, UH, TO THE END OF THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY LINE AND A, AND A PORTION OF KAUFMAN STREET, UH, TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE. SO THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTING THAT PORTION OF IT. OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE CITY WAS IN THE POSITION TO CON UH, TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. YES. THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA HAVE TO BUILD THAT WELL, THAT, THAT REBUILD IF IT'S APPROVED, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. IF THEY WANT TO MOVE ON ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, YES. YES. YEAH, I WOULD, YEAH. OKAY. SO NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AT ALL IS REQUIRED FROM DART? THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. OKAY. WELL, UH, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD SO WE CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS AND, UH, WHO YOU ARE AND, UH, ASK YOU QUESTIONS. AGAIN, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S DAVID HARRELL, 3 8 2 4 SLEEPY LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 9. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE'RE GONNA PLAY A QUICK VIDEO GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROJECT. WELCOME TO THE [01:00:01] NEST WELLNESS VILLAGE, RICHARDSON'S NEWEST DESTINATION FOR WELLNESS, FAMILY, AND COMMUNITY. ENJOY A CUP OF COFFEE WHILE LETTING YOUR KIDS PLAY IN OUR COURTYARD. SHOP YOUR FAVORITE WELLNESS BRANDS AND INVEST IN YOUR SELF-CARE. AT OUR WELLNESS BRAND PARTNERS, A SPACE BUILT AROUND INTERGENERATIONAL WISDOM AND MOTHERHOOD, CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY AT OUR WEEKLY CLASSES, EVENTS, AND FARMER'S MARKET. JOIN US IN BUILDING A VIBRANT INTERGENERATIONAL COMMUNITY HERE IN RICHARDSON, THE NEST WELLNESS VILLAGE, WHERE EVERY GENERATION FIND ITS HOME. VISIT US TODAY AND BECOME PART OF SOMETHING TRULY SPECIAL. WELCOME TO THE NEST WELLNESS VILLAGE. IF YOU MISSED ANYTHING, WE'LL DO IT AGAIN. , HERE'S YOUR CLICKER. PERFECT. HI, ONCE AGAIN. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME'S DAVID HARRELL. UH, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN INVESTMENT IN RICHARDSON, SPECIFICALLY THE CORE DISTRICT FOR AROUND 10 YEARS NOW. I WAS INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOCKWOOD DISTRICT. I BROUGHT LOCKWOOD DISTILLING HAPPY HIPPIE BREWING AMONG OTHERS. UM, I BROUGHT PART TO NO PAY AND STAYCATION TO THE CORE DISTRICT. I WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE STREETSCAPES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY. UM, AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THIS PROJECT GETS ME AS EXCITED AS I'VE EVER BEEN ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE DONE IN THE AREA. UM, I'VE KNOWN COURTNEY FOR AROUND TWO YEARS NOW. COURTNEY IS THE OWNER OF THE NEST, CURRENTLY IN ADDISON. UH, SHE WOULD BE MOVING THAT LOCATION TO RICHARDSON. UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING, SHE, SHE HAD LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS HOW SHE CONNECTED WITH ME BECAUSE I, I'VE HAD OWNERSHIP IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE PAST AND WE, THERE, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, THERE'S SOME ISSUES, NOTHING THAT CAN'T BE OVERCOME. WE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE LARGER, THAT WERE CHEAPER AND COURTNEY ALWAYS CAME BACK TO RICHARDSON. SHE'S LIKE, THE NEST NEEDS TO BE IN RICHARDSON. AND SO HERE WE ARE. UM, SO I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE AN AMAZING, AN AMAZING PROJECT FOR THE AREA. WE'VE GOT COURTNEY TO EXPLAIN HER VISION. WE'VE GOT OUR ARCHITECT, SCOTT MERRICK. UM, AND THEN I'VE TAKEN A FEW NOTES ON YOUR QUESTIONS. SO I'M GONNA LET COURTNEY INTRODUCE HERSELF, THE VISION, AND THEN WE CAN STEP BACK UP AND GO OVER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE ANSWER YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. SO COURTNEY, THANK YOU. HELLO, DR. COURTNEY GOWAN. AND DO YOU KNOW HOW SPECIAL YOUR CITY IS? I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE IN FOR A WHILE, AND I WILL TELL YOU 10 YEARS AGO PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY. I OPENED A PRIVATE PRACTICE IN THE BASEMENT OF A OLD VICTORIAN HOME AND IT FLOODED TWICE, BUT I HAD A CRAZY DREAM TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTERED AROUND MOTHERS. TWO YEARS INTO THIS PRIVATE PRACTICE, I WAS ABLE TO EXPAND INTO A 3000 SQUARE FOOT WELLNESS CENTER. AND DURING THAT TIME, I SUFFERED SEVERE POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION. DURING THIS TIME, I WAS ABLE TO BRING IN A COMMUNITY OF HEALERS AND MOTHERS THAT WERE ABLE TO NOT ONLY IMPACT ME, BUT ALSO THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AROUND THE DFW AREA. UM, THROUGHOUT THIS TIME I'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK ON HIGH LEVEL PROJECTS WITH HARVARD THIS PAST YEAR. AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY A FEW KEY AREAS OF WHY MATERNAL HEALTH IS SUCH AN ISSUE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST THING WAS THE LACK OF COMMUNITY AND THE LACK OF ACCESSIBLE AND RESOURCES TO MOTHERS. AND SO THAT SPURRED SOMETHING WITHIN ME AND I REALIZED THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE A BIGGER IMPACT. AND SO WHENEVER I STARTED TO LOOK AT OUR WELLNESS CENTER HERE IN NEST THAT WE'VE HAD OVER 10 YEARS. I DID A PATIENT DISTRIBUTION, AND I LOOKED AT ALL OF OUR PATIENT MAP AND I REALIZED OF THE 1200 PATIENTS THAT WE SEE EVERY SINGLE MONTH, 80% OF THEM RESIDE IN RICHARDSON. AND ALL OF THESE ARE MOTHERS, THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR CHILDREN. AND SO THE CRAZY PART OF ME KNOCKED ON THIS MAN'S DOOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND I GAVE HIM MY CARD AND I SAID, EXCUSE ME, I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND CHAT ABOUT THIS LAND THAT I HAD COME INTO. AND, UH, HE, SIX MONTHS IN, HE NEVER EVEN CALLED ME. AND THEN I STARTED WORKING WITH DAVID AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED, THERE'S AN EXPANSION, AND THERE'S A HEART FOR THIS. AND, UH, AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT OTHER PROPERTIES, UM, SCOTT CALLED ME AND HE SAID, I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND HEAR YOUR STORY. AND SO I SHARED WITH HIM THE STORY. I SHARED WITH HIM MY OWN PERSONAL HEALING. AND, UH, I JUST, I STARTED ASKING HIM, I WAS LIKE, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO MAGNOLIA DOWN IN WACO? HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THIS DISTRICT? HAVE YOU SEEN THE ABILITY THAT FAMILY HAS ON AN IMPACT OF A COMMUNITY? AND I, THE REASON I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOUR CITY IS SO SPECIAL IS IT'S CENTERED AROUND FAMILY AND FAMILIES. AND SO [01:05:01] YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IN DALLAS, YOU HAVE BISHOP ARTS, YOU HAVE DEEP, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT HIGHLAND PARK, ALL THESE DIFFERENT ENERGIES OF DALLAS, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A DEEP EL IN RICHARDSON. YOU HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING THAT'S CENTERED AROUND FAMILIES THAT GOES INTO THIS DISTRICT. SO THE CORE DISTRICT OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS FAMILY. SO IT'S VERY SURREAL TO BE STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, BECAUSE I WROTE THIS DOWN ON A NAPKIN TWO YEARS AGO, AND THIS HAS BEEN A VISION ON MY HEART FOR TWO YEARS. AND SO IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE THIS, UM, I'M SURE LOOKING ON THE, ON THE SCREEN AND THE BLUEPRINTS. BUT I WANT IT TO COME TO LIFE TO YOU. I WANT YOU TO FEEL THIS IN YOUR SOUL, AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING. AND IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO MOVE THIS BUSINESS AND, UM, CELEBRATE RICHARDSON OF THE FAMILIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ABLE TO SERVE FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS. UM, SO I ACTUALLY GOT TO SIT DOWN WITH NICOLE FROM STAYCATION. AND, UM, SHE'S VERY EXCITED TO MOVE INTO OUR SPACE AND SHE IS VERY, VERY, UH, THRILLED TO SOLVE A FEW PROBLEMS. AND I'VE HEARD THE CITY IS, THEY'RE DEVELOPING AND GROWING, UM, TO SIT DOWN AND CREATE A KEYSTONE OF COFFEE, COMMUNITY AND FAMILY AND BUILD, UM, AROUND THAT. SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UH, A FEW IDEAL DRAWINGS. AND IT'S OUR VISION TO WORK WITH THE CITY, UM, THE CITY TO HOST EVENTS TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AROUND MOTHERS. AND THE NONPROFIT THAT I'VE SEEN WHEN I'VE WORKED ON THOSE PROJECTS IS WE ARE MISSING WISDOM IN OUR CULTURE OF MOTHERS. AND WITH THAT WISDOM, THE NONPROFIT IS PEDIATRIC RESEARCH THROUGH GENERATIONAL STUDIES. AND, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS BEEN BEING ABLE AND IDEALLY BRING IN THE CONCEPT OF SENIORS WITH NEW MOTHERS. AND SO IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT ONE IN SEVEN PEOPLE IN OUR POPULATION ARE CONSIDERED SENIORS, AND ONE IN SEVEN WOMEN HAVE POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WHENEVER YOU BRING THOSE TWO TOGETHER, THERE IS A PRESCHOOL AND SEATTLE THAT WAS PUT INTO A NURSING HOME. AND WHAT HAPPENED? THE CHILDREN'S BEHAVIOR IMPROVED AND THE SENIORS WERE ABLE TO HAVE A, A REGAIN OF PURPOSE, AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO IMPROVE MENTAL HEALTH. UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE THE HEARTBEAT AND THE SOUL OF THIS MISSION, UH, TO BRING THOSE TWO GENERATIONS TOGETHER. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE NONPROFIT DOES. AND IF YOU SIT IN OUR ADJUSTING ROOM, AS WE SEE MOTHERS ALL DAY LONG, WHAT YOU SEE IS A TURN BACK TO TRADITIONS. UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY OF OUR CLIENTS HAVE CHICKENS. THEY'RE STARTING TO MAKE SOURDOUGH, THEY'RE STARTING TO GARDEN. AND CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS ABOUT YOUR MOM'S, BUT THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF CHICKENS ARE IN THE COAT OR NOT, BUT , A LOT OF THEM HAVE THEM. UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS WE'VE, WE HAVE GONE SO FAR AWAY FROM WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LIVING. IT'S TIME FOR THE PENDULUM TO SWING BACK. AND SO IF YOU LOOK WHAT MAGNOLIA DID IN WACO, THEY TOOK A DUSTY DRY PIECE OF LAND AND SILOS, AND THEY BUILT A COMMUNITY THAT'S KNOWN WORLDWIDE. AND THIS IS MY VISION FOR RICHARDSON TO BE ABLE TO COME INTO YOUR CITY AND BRING A WELLNESS BASED COMMUNITY THAT CELEBRATES FAMILIES, AND IT SHOWS THEM THAT THEY CAN PUT THEIR PHONES DOWN AND STAY A WHILE. AND SO WE ARE WANTING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND BE ABLE TO, UM, HONOR THE KINDER'S LEGACY. IT WAS A JOY TO SIT WITH THEM AND HEAR, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING THAT THEY HAVE AN INTERGENERATIONAL CONCEPT ALREADY, THAT THEY'RE LIVING AND BREATHING. UM, AND SO I THOUGHT IT WAS NO ACCIDENT THAT THE LAND ACTUALLY BORDERS THE PERFECT SENIOR LIVING ABILITY OF THE APARTMENTS, UM, POSTERIOR. SO THAT IS THE THOUGHT IN THE MIND. UM, WE, WE ARE FULLY FUNDED, UM, BY A PRIVATE INVESTOR WHO IS WILLING TO MAKE THIS PROJECT COME THROUGH BECAUSE SHE LOVES TO SEE WOMEN IN REAL ESTATE . UH, SO THE, WE REALLY WANNA WORK WITH YOU OF THE IMPROVING OF THE DISTRICT, AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUILDING. WE'RE BUILDING DISTRICT FOR YOU GUYS. SO THESE ARE RENDERINGS AND, UM, I'LL LET DAVID KIND OF TAKE IT FROM HERE AND, UH, ANSWER QUESTIONS AND KIND OF ELABORATE WHAT WE ARE WANTING TO BRING TO YOU. THANK YOU. SO, AS I SAID, WE, WE'VE GOT OUR ARCHITECT HERE. UM, I, I TOOK NOTES ON A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAD BASED ON WHAT COURTNEY JUST SAID. WHAT ARE YOUR INITIAL QUESTIONS WHILE SHE'S HERE? AND WE CAN CLEAR THOSE UP. GO AHEAD. YEP. GOT A COUPLE. UM, FIRST STARTING WITH JUST A COMMENT, THANK YOU FOR, UH, COORDINATING WITH MY FAVORITE COFFEE SHOP, UH, STAYCATION, NICOLE. NICOLE IS AWESOME. THAT IS A COMMUNITY STAPLE FOR, FOR GATHERING. SO HAPPY THAT SHE'S ON, ON BOARD HERE. [01:10:01] UM, THE GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, I THINK AF ASTROTURF IS A, IS A GOOD MOVE, BUT HOW ARE YOU EXPECTING PEOPLE TO GET OUT THERE IN, IN, IN THIS HEAT IN TEXAS? SO THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION. UM, AND ALSO WHERE, WHERE THE DADS AT. LIKE, YOU DON'T BECOME A MOM WITHOUT A DAD. SO I'M LIKE, WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE, THE VALUE PROPOSITION FOR THE FATHERS IN THIS ? YES. UM, SO I AM A SINGLE MOTHER, SO A LOT OF MY FOCUS IS ON ME. AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT FROM 10,000 FOOT VIEW, WE ALWAYS JOKE THAT THE STARS HAVE ALIGNED. I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS IN CORAM DEO AT THE MOMENT. AND SO I WAS LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD? HOW DID WE GET THIS MEETING AS WELL? UM, SO THERE ARE CURATED PROGRAMS FOR THE DADS TO COME IN AS WELL. UM, BUT WE ARE BUILDING IT BASED ON, UM, THE NUMBER ONE CONSUMER OF HEALTHCARE AND RETAIL IN THE HOUSEHOLD IS WOMEN. UM, HAS, HAS YOUR WIFE DRAGGED YOU TO MAGNOLIA OR ANY OF THE TARGETS? NOT YET, BUT I THINK SHE'S GONNA WANT TO GO . YEAH, EXACTLY. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANNA PARTNER WITH BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCAL TO RICHARDSON, TO KEEP THE SOUL OF THE PROJECT LOCAL TO SMALL BUSINESSES IN RICHARDSON AND GIVE THEM AN ECOSYSTEM TO THRIVE. THANK YOU. BUT WE'LL HAVE DAD'S NIGHTS INTO 8:00 PM THOUGH, . WELL, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS. . YES. GREAT. UM, SO HELP, HELP ME UNDERSTAND, UH, HOW, HOW DO YOU GET, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THESE ARE, IF THESE ARE RETAIL CENTERS, UH, SPACES, HOW DO, HOW DO THEY GET MATERIAL IN AND OUT OF, OF THOSE SPACES? WHERE'S THEIR LOADING, WHERE'S THEIR SERVICE AREA? SO ONE OF THE THINGS FROM ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS EARLY ON WAS RESTAURANT UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY RESTAURANT PORTION IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN BUILDING, WHICH WE'LL HAVE SIDE ACCESS NEAR THE DUMPSTER FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING OF MATERIALS. SO THAT'S GONNA BE COFFEE, UH, JUICE BAR, WARMING, KITCHEN TYPE TYPE USE. NONE OF THE, WHAT WE CALL THE BUNGALOWS IN THE BACK ARE GOING TO HAVE A RESTAURANT COMPONENT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT, UH, CLEAR. UM, THERE'S GONNA BE CONCRETE PATHWAYS THAT LEAD ALL THE WAY AROUND OUR GREEN SPACE. AS YOU CAN SEE, I DON'T DO, I HAVE A LASER. I DO HAVE A LASER. THERE WE GO. SO THESE AREAS HERE ARE GOING TO BE HARDSCAPE, WHETHER THAT'S CONCRETE OR WHETHER THAT'S A, A ROCK AREA. AND THAT'S WHERE IN THESE SMALLER RETAIL SPACES WILL BE ABLE TO LOAD IN AND OUT. AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE EITHER EARLY OR EVENING. OKAY. BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE GOING TO BE WELLNESS USERS, DOCTORS, UH, WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME SMALL FORM FACTOR, RETAIL, PLANT SHOP. UH, ANY OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU'RE, ALL OF OUR BUSINESS WILL BE BASED AROUND WELLNESS AND COMMUNITY. AND SO WHENEVER WE HAVE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A LOT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES MM-HMM, AND WELLNESS BASED BUSINESSES, UM, THAT ARE EITHER SERVICE BASED AS IN, UM, DENTIST OR PHYSICAL THERAPY, UM, OR A PLANT SHOP WITH A POTTERY SHOP WITH IT THAT HOST LOCAL COMMUNITY POTTERY CLASSES AS WELL. UM, SO ALL OF THESE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE ARE THEMES TO THE HOUSES THAT WILL EACH HAVE, UM, TWO TENANTS IN EACH BUNGALOW. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS RICHARDSON, WELL, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SPACES FOR THESE SMALL, BEAUTIFUL, LOCAL BUSINESSES TO COME INTO. AND SO WE FEEL THAT NEED FOR THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES TO HAVE A HOME AND TO HAVE A SUPPORT SYSTEM BUILT IN AROUND THEM. UM, SO FOR EACH OF THESE HOMES OR BUNGALOWS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A THEME AND EACH THEME BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO TENANTS THAT WORK SYNERGISTIC TOGETHER. AND AS I MENTIONED, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE DOWNTOWN CORE DISTRICT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. AND, UH, LEASING DOWN THERE, IF, IF I HAD HAD 750 TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT SPACES AVAILABLE TO ME, I COULD AT LEAST 'EM A HUNDRED TIMES OVER. WE HAD SO MANY TENANTS COME TO US AND SAY, I HAVE A PICKLE BUSINESS, I HAVE A POTTERY BUSINESS, I MAKE EARRINGS. I NEED 850 SQUARE FEET. AND I'M LIKE, GREAT, I'VE GOT 3,500. THAT'S THE SMALLEST I'VE GOT. SO WHAT COURTNEY'S BRINGING TO THE MARKET IS ABSOLUTELY A NEED THAT I HAVE SEEN FOR YEARS NOW. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. RESTAURANTS ARE GREAT, BUT IF THERE'S NOTHING TO KEEP YOUR INTEREST WHILE YOU'RE WAITING FOR YOUR TABLE, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO ANOTHER RESTAURANT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE TO BRING DOWN TO THE AREA IS SOME, SOMETHING OTHER THAN A RESTAURANT TO DO IN THE CORE DISTRICT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VERY LACKING. CAN I ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE MOST VALUABLE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE IN NEW YORK AND [01:15:01] WHY THEY HAVE NOT PUT HOMES ON IT? CENTRAL PARK. CENTRAL PARK IS A SPACE FOR FAMILIES AND PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER. AND IT'S A KEYSTONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GATHER IN A REALLY BEAUTIFUL WAY. I'M NOT TRYING TO BUILD CENTRAL PARK FOR YOU GUYS, UH, BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO IS BRING FAMILIES TOGETHER AND A UNIQUE WAY, UH, THAT SUPPORTS THE HEART OF THIS DISTRICT. THANK YOU. UH, YEAH, I, LOOK, I LOVE THE CONCEPT AND I, I JUST, I LIKE TO GET IN THE WEEDS SOMETIMES TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOU'RE PLANNING, WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE. SO, UH, I'M A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER MYSELF, SO, UM, I, I'M JUST, UH, IF YOU CAN BEAR WITH ME. SO RIGHT NOW, HAVE YOU JUST NOT PLANNED WHERE YOU'RE GONNA, UH, PUT YOUR DUMPSTERS OTHER THAN THE ONE NEXT TO THE RESTAURANT? IS THAT THE ONLY ONE? THE SITE PLAN? YEAH, FOR SURE. YEAH, THE SITE PLAN. SO YES, WE'VE GOT THE SINGLE DUMPSTER. SO CURRENTLY DUMPSTER'S GONNA BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY HERE, BUT WE ARE OPEN TO CHANGING THAT TO HONOR THE HOMES AND THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE. SO OUR GOAL IS TO WORK WITH THE CITY AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO, UM, CREATE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED. OKAY. AND DO YOU, UH, ENVISION THAT ON THE EAST PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO THE WOODEN FENCE BEHIND THE BUILDINGS? TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, THERE'S GONNA BE A SIDEWALK THERE? NOT, NOT CURRENTLY ON THE BACKSIDE, NO. SO THAT'S JUST GONNA BE LANDSCAPE AREA. CORRECT. BUT BETWEEN SIX AND FIVE WE'RE, OH, DID YOU, CAN YOU JUST COME FORWARD AND MAYBE INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YEAH. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK HE, SORRY. SCOTT MARK ARCHITECT, UM, LIVE 2 9 4 4 FOREST HILLS LANE IN RICHARDSON. THANK YOU. UM, WE, BETWEEN BUILDINGS FIVE AND SIX, THERE'S PLANS FOR ANOTHER ACCESS POINT THAT WILL COME IN TO SERVICE SOME OF THESE BACK BUILDINGS. UH, WE HAVEN'T WORKED OUT THE, THE DETAILS OF ALL THOSE ITEMS, BUT THE, THE ONLY TRASH PLAN FOR WRIGHTON HOUSE AND THAT, UH, OFF OF KAUFMAN STREET, THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE SPACE BETWEEN ALL THESE BUILDINGS CURRENTLY THAT WE CAN, UH, POTENTIALLY GET, UH, OTHER SERVICE ACCESS THROUGH. WE'LL ALSO NEED, UH, PERSON GATES BETWEEN, UH, BUILDING ONE AND SEVEN, SEVEN AND SIX, UH, TO ACCESS THOSE. 'CAUSE THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS ENTIRELY FENCED, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THE ONLY WAY IN FOR THE PUBLIC IS THROUGH BUILDING ONE, IS THAT CORRECT OR YES. WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENTER BUILDING ONE TO GET INTO THE COURTYARD AND TO THE OTHER FACILITIES AS AS OF CURRENTLY PLANNED? YES. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ACCESS AND THAT WAS BUILT UPON THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A MOTHER BE ABLE TO RELAX WHILE HER KIDS RUN AND PLAY AND NOT GONNA RUN INTO THE STREET. AND THEN ALSO TO BE ABLE TO KEEP, UM, ANY HOMELESS OR ANYTHING FROM BEING IN OUR PROPERTY OFF HOURS. OKAY. UM, AND, AND SO DO YOU ENVISION ANY LANDSCAPING, UM, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE WEST SIDE OF SEVEN, SIX, AND FIVE OF THOSE, THOSE BUNGALOWS? I MEAN, IS THAT JUST A HARD WALL BUILDING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SIDEWALK? THEY'RE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE RIGHT HERE, BUT THERE'S A SERIES OF TREES THAT ARE PLANNED ALONG THIS SITE. THERE'S ALSO SIX FOOT OF PLANNING ZONE, UM, AND I BELIEVE TWO TO THREE FOOT STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING, THE IDEA OF 7, 6, 5, OR THAT THEY WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE SO THAT THIS LOT ORIGINALLY WAS BROKEN UP IN THE FOUR, UM, FOUR SEPARATE LOTS. SO WE'VE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THAT CHARACTER OF HAVING, UH, FOUR. SO THERE'S A LOT LINE HERE, HERE AND BACK HERE. SO WE PICK UP THAT IDEA OF THOSE SAME FOUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS, BUT IN A, A COMMERCIAL RETAIL SETTING. OKAY. SO WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR REQUEST THEN RE RELATED TO THE GLAZING ON THE TEXAS STREET? WELL, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A HEAVY, UH, REQUIREMENT ON GLASS THERE OF LIKE 50%, I THINK. AND SO TO KEEP THIS IN MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL SCALE, NATURE OF GLASS WE'RE OUR PLANS NOT TO MAKE THESE OF, UH, FLAT BLANK BUILDINGS, BUT, UM, MORE RESIDENTIAL IN SCALE IN TERMS OF GLASS TO WALL RATIO, [01:20:02] NOT LIKE YOUR TYPICAL STOREFRONT RETAIL. AND SO CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS ON, UH, HOW THIS, WHERE THIS FITS INTO THE CONCEPT PLAN OF WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE OF OF GLAZING IS BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DESIGNED THE STRUCTURES YET, BUT THEY KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE AS OPPOSED TO A STORE, A RETAIL STOREFRONT. OKAY. SO ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT, UH, OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND ON THE RIGHT, YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT EXHIBIT B, CORRECT? RIGHT. YEAH, THERE'S A LIST OF, OF, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM, UH, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, BUT SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, STANDARDS. AND I BELIEVE ONE OF 'EM ADDRESSES, UH, THE AMOUNT OF GLAZING THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROPOSED AT MINIMUM 25% WINDOW AREA ON THE GROUND FOR FACADE FACING TEXAS. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. SOUTHARD. YES. UM, THOSE, THE BUILDINGS, PARTICULARLY FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN, ARE GOING TO HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF A RESIDENCE, SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE WITH A PITCHED ROOF. CORRECT. UM, OKAY. AND THEN SWITCHING GEAR A LITTLE BIT, UM, IT, IT SOUND, I, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU, UH, YOU EXPECT YOUR CURRENT CLIENTELE TO MAKE THIS MOVE WITH YOU. WE WILL KEEP A BOUTIQUE LOCATION IN ADDISON OH, COOL. FOR OUR CURRENT LOCATION. AND THEN THIS WILL BE OUR RICHARDSON LOCATION THAT WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. OH, OKAY. SO SOME OF THAT, YES. CLIENT CLIENTELE WILL MOVE WITH YOU? YES, VERY LIKELY. VERY, VERY LIKELY. WHAT, WHAT SORT OF TIMEFRAME DO YOU ENVISION HERE? THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS YESTERDAY, . UH, SO THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING. AND, UH, WE HAVE THE FUNDS, WE HAVE THE PLANS, WE HAVE THE TEAM, AND WE'RE READY TO WORK WITH YOU. AND SO, UM, IF IN HONOR, WE WOULD LIKE TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO YOU'RE ITCHING TO GO TO SAY THE LEAST? YES. . ALRIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE HAD A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR 15 YEARS AND THIS, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD START THE REVITALIZATION AND THE HEARTBEAT OF THAT AREA. I, I LIKE THE CONCEPT, UM, AS MUCH AS I CAN ENVISION IT, YOU CAN TELL THAT I'M, I'M A BIT PAST THE, UH, TARGET AGE, PERHAPS OF YOUR, BUT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE INCLUDED. COME HOLD A BABY AND COME TO STORY TIME AND YOU CAN READ BOOKS TO A GROUP OF KINDERGARTNERS. OKAY. . BUT I DO HAVE SOME GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE APPROACHING YOUR REAL PRIME TARGET AREA. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO, UH, UH, I, I, I LIKE THIS CONCEPT. IT'S A PROJECT OF THE SOUL. AND I THINK THAT ONCE I BECAME THIS, UM, TRYING TO GET TOO PERSONAL, BUT YOU'LL NEVER OUTWORK A SINGLE MOTHER. AND WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT YOUR THREE CHILDREN AND YOU SEE THEM, YOU WANNA LEAVE A LEGACY AND YOU WANNA LEAVE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL. AND SO THIS HAS THE ABILITY TO IMPACT NOT ONLY GENERATIONS, BUT ALSO THE ENTIRE COURSE OF RICHARDSON HISTORY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER PURDY, HAVE YOU FORMALLY, UH, ENGAGED WITH THE RICHARDSON SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER ON THIS OPPORTUNITY? NO, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY CLOSING REMARKS? NO, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO, TO KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING AND IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE GONNA HIT HEAR FROM THE AUDIENCE NOW, UH, 'CAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, SO I'VE GOT ONE CARD HERE, BUT, UH, ANYBODY, UH, LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? UM, AND WE'LL START WITH IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. UH, JUST PLEASE STEP [01:25:01] FORWARD, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. HELLO, I'M JULIE ROBINSON AT 600 NOTTINGHAM DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS. AND I AM, UM, ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER, UM, IN THE CORE DISTRICT OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. WE OWN BEYOND THE BAR BOTTLE SHOP. AND, UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF THE NEST, UH, COMING TO OUR AREA BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THE CORE DISTRICT, UM, IT'S FACED SOME CHALLENGES AND GROWTH. UM, AND WE FEEL THAT THE WELLNESS ORIENTATION WOULD BE VERY POSITIVE. UH, WE LOVE THE ENERGY AND, UM, JUST WHAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, GROW AND ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY. SO, UH, WE FULLY SUPPORTED AND, UH, WOULD WELCOME COLLABORATION, UH, WITH THE NEST AND, AND REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THEM AS A, A NEIGHBOR AND FUTURE PARTNER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME IN FAVOR OF ADDRESS? GOOD EVENING. I AM CASEY CUMMINGS. I LIVE AT 1214 ASHLAND DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, 7 5 0 8 0. AND WE'VE BEEN RICHARDSON RESIDENCE FOR 10 YEARS. AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A LOCAL NONPROFIT CALLED ALL MOMS. WE SERVE AND SUPPORT MOTHERS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE HERE IN RICHARDSON, AND WE LIKE THE DADS TOO. BUT TONIGHT I'M REPRESENTING THE MOMS. I'M IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE COMMON REQUESTS OF MOMS AND FAMILIES. AND THIS IS WHY WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE NEST WELLNESS VILLAGE, I KNEW IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE RICHARDSON LANDSCAPE. I'M IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT. MOTHERS ARE CONSTANTLY ASKING FOR PLACES THAT THEY CAN GO AND TAKE THEIR KIDS. THEY WANT MORE RESTAURANTS WITH PLAYGROUNDS. FENCED IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, FENCED IN PLAY AREAS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO ENJOY SERVICES WITH ACCESS TO SHORT-TERM CHILDCARE. ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD BE POSSIBLE AT THE NEST VILLAGE. ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT RICHARDSON IS HOW FAMILY FRIENDLY IT IS. AND THE NEST VILLAGE WOULD BE AN EXTRAORDINARY DRAW TO OUR CITY FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. THE POTENTIAL FOR RICH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AT A PLACE SUCH AS THIS IS HIGH. IN MY OPINION, THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE FOR GROUPS LIKE MINE TO MEET AND CONNECT IN A TIME OF GREAT DIVISION. WE NEED ENVIRONMENTS SUCH AS THESE TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. THE CONCEPT OF INCLUDING MULTI-GENERATIONAL AND INTERFAITH PROGRAMMING IS HIGHLY DESIRABLE FOR RICHARDSON FAMILIES. AND MY ORGANIZATION IS ONE THAT NEEDS A NEUTRAL LOCATION TO PROVIDE THESE PROGRAMS. FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I AM INSPIRED BY AND IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR? UH, OKAY. HOW ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE, THE OPPOSITION? GOOD EVENING. I'M PAT KINDER. I, UH, OWN THE PROPERTY AT ONE 14 EAST KAUFMAN STREET, ACTUALLY LIVE IN FLOWER MOUND, BUT, UH, HERE WITH MY FAMILY, AS Y'ALL MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. SO, AND WANNA BE CAREFUL TO START OFF WITH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, UM, THOROUGHLY OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME INTEREST IN IT, BUT WE DO, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND WE ALL HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE WAY THAT THE WORDING IS WRITTEN AS STATED. SO, UM, THINKING IN TERMS OF YOU'RE EITHER COMPLETELY FOR OR YOU'RE COMPLETELY OPPOSED. SO IN THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WORDED AND SOME OF THE LAYOUTS WE ARE OPPOSED. AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH AND AND DISCUSS HERE. UM, MY FATHER, DAVID KINDER, MY MOM, BECKY KINDER, OWNED THE PROPERTY AT ONE 19 AND 1 21 EAST PHILLIPS STREET. SO THE TWO HOMES, THEY'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BLOCK. MY WIFE AND I OWN THE PROPERTY AT ONE 14 EAST COFFMAN, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, UM, TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY JUST EAST OF BUILDING ONE. MY AUNT OWNS THE NEXT HOUSE ON KAUFFMAN STREET AT [01:30:01] 1 22 EAST KAUFMAN. AND THEN MY WIFE AND I ALSO OWN WHAT USED TO BE PART OF THE CHURCH PARKING LOT IN THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER OF THE LOT. SO WE ESSENTIALLY OWN THE WHOLE CENTER OF THE LOT, THE CENTRAL ACREAGE, AND FOR THE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND THE, THE PARKING LOT. SO WE, WE'VE GOT A GOOD, GOOD CHUNK OF THE ACREAGE ON THE PROPERTY, ON THE, UH, ON THE LOT. UH, MY SISTER, MY DAD, MY AUNT, I, AND, UM, MY WIFE ALL GRADUATED FROM RICHARDSON HIGH SCHOOL, SO I GUESS WE'VE ALL BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK, BUT WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS ONE. SO, UH, MY PARENTS AND ACTUALLY MY GRANDPARENTS, UH, GOT SOME OF THE PROPERTY ON THE BLOCK BACK IN THE 1940S. SO WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 80 YEARS. UH, GREW UP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BLOCK. IT'S DEFINITELY HOME AND WE DEFINITELY MAKE A LOT OF USE OF THE OUTSIDE SPACE. SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE INTEREST IN ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, IN OR AROUND THE BLOCK. AND AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, WE WERE VERY ACTIVE WHEN THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR ZONING WAS GOING THROUGH A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. AND I THINK AS WAS MENTIONED AS WELL, WE DID HAVE CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE ZONING THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE BLOCK, UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, UH, RELATIVELY HIGH HEIGHTS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED, ZERO LOT LINE TYPE OPPORTUNITIES. SO BUILDING RIGHT UP ON THE PROPERTY LINES. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE REALLY PUSHED FOR MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO A COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE OR, YOU KNOW, HIGH RISE TYPE OPPORTUNITY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY ARE VERY, UM, HAPPY ABOUT WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT, UM, THAT COURTNEY AND THE NEST HAVE IS THE RELATIVELY LOW STRUCTURE HEIGHTS. YOU KNOW, THE SINGLE STORY, UH, BUILDINGS ONE THROUGH, OR SORRY, BUILDINGS TWO THROUGH SEVEN, UH, THAT'S VERY APPEALING. UH, BUILDING ONE, ADMITTEDLY 40 FEET FEELS A LITTLE HIGH, YOU KNOW, WE'D PROBABLY PREFER IT TO BE A LITTLE LOWER THAN THAT DOES SEEM A LITTLE BIT HIGH. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT OUTSIDE THE REALM OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, THE HOURS OF OPERATION SEEMS VERY FAVORABLE, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE THE IDEA THAT IT'S KIND OF AN 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM TYPE APPROACH. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH THOUGH, THAT I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, JUMP DOWN TO ARE, IT'S, IT'S INTO THE DETAILS. AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. MARSH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THIS AS WELL, SO LET ME JUST DIG INTO THOSE AND HOPEFULLY I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. BUT WE, WE PROBABLY HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO, TO TALK ABOUT. UM, ONE OF THEM IS, AS I THINK, I THINK COURTNEY WAS EVEN SHAKING HER HEAD AT THIS EARLIER, Y'ALL MENTIONED A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE. WELL, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ALONG THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY BETWEEN AT ONE 14 EAST KAUFMAN AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE, AN EIGHT FOOT WOODEN FENCE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DEFINITELY VALUE IS THE FAMILY IS HAVING SOME PRIVACY OVER THERE. SO A SIX FOOT FENCE REALLY ISN'T GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE SUFFICIENT. WE WOULD PREFER A WOOD FENCE, WE'D PREFER LIKE A WOOD PRIVACY EIGHT FOOT BOARD ON BOARD TYPE FENCE WITH METAL POLES, SOMETHING THAT RUNS ALONG THE EXISTING FENCE LINES, UH, AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S SHORTER, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY. IF YOU'VE DRIVEN AROUND THE BLOCK, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S, WE'VE ALLOWED SOME BAMBOO CANE TO GROW ALONG THE EDGES. JUST, IT'S A NICE SCREENING MATERIAL TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY OVER THERE. BUT WE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU KNOW THE FENCE IS GOING IN, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME IMPACT TO THAT AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING VERY LOW. SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY PREFER SOMETHING THAT'S AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, EIGHT FEET OR HIGHER IN HEIGHT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, IS, IS NOT CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY IN THE, THE DOCUMENT AS STATED. UH, THE OTHER THING YOU'LL SEE, AND ON ONE OF THE, THE SURVEY LINES, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OVERLAPPING DEEDS ON THE PROPERTY AND I THINK WHEN WE MET WITH, UM, COURTNEY ON SATURDAY, WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE FENCING JUST FOLLOW THE EXISTING FENCE LINES. WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE OLD PROPERTIES. SOME OF THE PROPERTY WAS, UM, UH, WAS BEING SURVEYED BASED ON THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S NOT EVEN THERE ANYMORE. THAT DART LINES THERE. THERE'S SOME PROPERTY DEEDS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY OVERLAPPING BY A FOOT OR TWO. SO RATHER THAN GOING BACK AND TRYING TO REALIGN THE FENCE LINES, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT WE JUST FOLLOW THE EXISTING FENCE LINES ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT LITTLE NORTHERN PIECE, AND THEN DOWN ALONG TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE, TO THE VERBIAGE. THE, UM, THE FOOT TRAFFIC, IF YOU'LL NOTE. SO WE, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY, LIKE I MENTIONED AT ONE 14 EAST KAUFMAN. ONE OF THE CONCERNS, WE HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS WITH THE NORTHEAST PORTION. OF COURSE, THE FENCE THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE STREET. IT GOES OUT TO BASICALLY THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE. SO IF WE'VE GOT THE BUILDING ONE AND IF THAT'S THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY, ONE CONCERN WOULD BE FOOT TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE FRONT LAWN OF OUR RESIDENCE AT ONE 14 EAST KAUFMAN, WHICH IS WHERE MY SISTER AND HER HUSBAND, UH, RESIDE CURRENTLY. SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS, LANDSCAPING OR FENCING OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO THERE TO DETER PEOPLE FROM JUST CUTTING ACROSS AND CONSTANTLY BEING IN OUR, IN OUR PROPERTY GOING ACROSS THERE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I REALLY SEE DEPICTED [01:35:01] HERE. ANOTHER CONCERN, AND I THINK, UM, SCOTT MENTIONED AS WELL, THE PLACEMENT OF THE DUMPSTER IS, IS DISAPPOINTING. UM, WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE, THERE'S ONLY ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PROPERTY ALONG THE ENTIRE BOUNDARY, AND THE DUMPSTER IS CURRENTLY PLACED RIGHT NEXT TO IT. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE WINDOW WHERE MY, UH, SISTER HAS HER OFFICE WHERE SHE DOES HER WORK CONCERNS OVER, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ODOR AND TRASH AND THINGS COMING ACROSS. UH, WE WOULD PERSONALLY, WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING WE WOULD MUCH PREFER IT BE OFF OF THE EDGE OF TEXAS STREET AT THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY ON THE WESTERN PORTION, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO, UH, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND THERE'S ALREADY A DUMPSTER ON THAT PROPERTY ANYWAY. SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT FROM A, YOU KNOW, GARBAGE COLLECTION PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE JUST AS EASY TO PLACE IT ON THAT END. AND I KNOW WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT THIS ON SATURDAY AS WELL, SO IT'S PERHAPS THAT THE, THE LAYOUT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PREFER SUBSTANTIALLY OVER HAVING IT, UH, OFF OF, UH, KAUFMAN STREET DRAINAGE. I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AROUND DRAINAGE. THE BLOCK HAS BAR DITCHES ALONG TEXAS STREET AND ALONG KAUFMAN STREET. SO FOR THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE ALONG TEXAS, OR EXCUSE ME, ON KAUFFMAN STREET, WHETHER IT WOUND UP BEING PARALLEL PARKING OR ANGLE PARKING OR PERPENDICULAR PARKING, REGARDLESS, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD COVER OVER AN EXISTING BAR DITCH. AND THAT BAR DITCH THEN IS GONNA CONTINUE IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY AND MY AUNT'S PROPERTY. SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS PROPER DRAINAGE AND THAT WE DON'T GET A LOT OF FLOODING INTO, INTO OUR YARD FROM THE, UM, THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE ON THE STREET THERE. UH, AND THEN LIGHTING, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT KEEPING LIGHTING LOW. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS IN THAT WE CALL IT THE BACK LOT, IT'S KIND OF IN THE CORNER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OVER HERE. IT'S VERY DARK OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T THINK IN RICHARDSON AND DALLAS AREA THAT IT WOULD BE VERY DARK IN THAT AREA. BUT WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE IN THE RIGHT TIME OF THE YEAR, WE SEE TONS OF LIGHTNING BUGS. WE DON'T DO, YOU KNOW, FERTILIZER THAT KILLS THINGS OFF BACK THERE. IT'S VERY QUIET, PEACEFUL. WHEN I WAS A KID GROWING UP, WE'D GO OUT THERE AND CAMP IN THE BACKYARD, WE GOT A LITTLE CAMPFIRE PIT. UM, WHAT WE WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON ALL NIGHT THAT ARE GONNA SHINE INTO OUR YARD AND ILLUMINATE THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE DON'T WANT ILLUMINATED. SO I DON'T SEE THERE ARE ANY BEING, ANY PROVISIONS FOR THAT, BUT I ALSO DON'T SEE ANY PROTECTIONS TO PRESENT TO PREVENT THAT. AND SO A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE PROPOSAL, BUT THINGS THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW. UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION IN A COUPLE OF PLACES FROM, UH, FOR THE NEST IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A NON-ALCOHOL ENVIRONMENT, BUT THEN AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS FROM THE ZONING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS WHETHER OR NOT ALCOHOL WOULD BE ALLOWED OR IF THAT WOULD ONLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP AGAIN THROUGH ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS DOWN THE ROAD. THE ALLEY THAT IS SHOWN ON THE, AGAIN, ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER WHERE THE, THE DUMPSTER'S BEING PROPOSED, THAT IS A REMNANT. IT'S A CITY OF RICHARDSON OWNED, YOU KNOW, REMNANT STUB OUT ALLEYWAY THAT WAS NEVER PUT IN, BUT IT'S, IT'S THERE ON THE, UH, IT OBVIOUSLY IT'S THERE, THE CITY OWNS IT. UH, YOU KNOW, AS IS, AS IS MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENTS, IT DOESN'T SAY THE CITY IS GONNA QUIT CLAIM IT ENTIRELY TO THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, I KNOW MR. CHAVEZ AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT GENERALLY IF THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THE CITY IS GOING TO ABANDON IT AND QUIT CLAIM IT, THEN IT'S DIVIDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON EITHER SIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN GIVING UP LAND IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET IT. UM, HOWEVER, IN SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, THERE IS ANOTHER REMNANT THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT IT'S ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF PHILLIPS STREET BETWEEN WHERE MY PARENTS AT 1 21 PHILLIPS IS AND WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS THAT MY WIFE AND I OWN. AND WE COMPLETELY SURROUND THAT REMNANT. SO IF WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE CITY WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO GET THAT PROPERTY A ABANDONING QUICK CLAIM TO OUR FAMILY, WE'D BE MORE AGREEABLE TO POTENTIALLY, UH, NOT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PURSUE THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE QUICK CLAIMED AND ABANDONED ON THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I REALIZE THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS, THIS, UH, COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING AND TRYING TO, TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AGREEABLE AND WORTHWHILE AND BENEFICIAL TO, TO BOTH PARTIES. AND, UH, I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I REALLY HAD WAS, I SAW THAT IN THE REPORT THAT THE, THE STATEMENT WAS THAT THE PROPOSED REQUEST WOULDN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY SYSTEM OR IMPACT EXISTING UTILITIES. I, I DON'T DOUBT THAT THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THE SURVEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THE UTILITIES IS, BUT THESE ARE OLDER PROPERTIES AND ANYTIME ANY CONSTRUCTION'S GOING ON, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MY, MY SISTER CAN ATTEST TO THIS. ANYTIME THERE'S CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENING UP ON MCKINNEY STREET OR ON BELTLINE AND THE WATER SYSTEM GETS [01:40:01] FLUSHED COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SEE IN A NORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE GET A LOT OF DIRT, WE GET A LOT OF SEDIMENT, WE GET A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE WATER SYSTEM AND OCCASIONALLY ON THE SEWER SIDE AS WELL. SO I DO HAVE CONCERN THAT WHEN YOU START GOING IN AND, YOU KNOW, ADDING OR DOING A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE SEWER, THAT IT COULD BE FINE FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT COULD HAVE IMPACTS ON THE, UH, EXISTING PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY THERE ON THE KAUFMAN SIDE OF THE STREET. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR OUR CON, YOU KNOW, FOR CONCERN. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN REALLY DO ABOUT IT HERE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A CONSIDERATION FOR, FOR US ON THE PROPERTY SIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, IN SHORT, I KNOW I'M PROBABLY OVER MY TIME, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. WE LOVE THE AREA, WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE AREA. MY SON JUST MOVED BACK TO RICHARDSON WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. UH, WE PLAN TO BE THERE FOR ANOTHER 80 YEARS, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE FAMILY GOING AND, AND UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THINGS AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITHOUT HAVING A BIG IMPACT ON US. WE DON'T WANNA SLOW DOWN AND, AND PREVENT SOMEBODY ELSE FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE LIGHTING AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE OTHER THINGS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE, WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T RUN INTO AN ISSUE AND PLEASE MOVE THE DUMPSTER . SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. YEP. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, AT THIS POINT, EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION OR NEUTRAL? I'LL SPEAK IN FAVOR. HEY GUYS. REID ROBINSON, 600 NOTTINGHAM RICHARDSON, TEXAS. UM, I AM ALSO AN OWNER OF BEYOND THE BAR. WE'RE THE FIRST ALCOHOL FREE BOTTLE SHOP IN NORTH TEXAS. WE ARE IN THE CORE DISTRICT. I'M CURRENTLY THE AMBASSADOR OF THE CORE DISTRICT MERCHANT'S ASSOCIATION. AND UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REAL GAME CHANGER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AS WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WE'VE SEEN CHANGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK WE NEED THIS TO HAPPEN. WE'RE IN THE WELL WELLNESS BUSINESS OURSELF. I'M A MR. MOM, SO I TOOK CARE OF OUR KID FOR A FEW YEARS AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS MYSELF. SO, UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY IN FAVOR AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH COURTNEY AND THE WHOLE GANG HERE. THANKS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, ONE LAST CHANCE HERE FOR OKAY. UM, WELL WITHIN THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU HAVE A CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL, SO MAYBE YOU WANNA COME UP AND, UH, TALK TO US ABOUT MR. KINDER'S, UH, CONCERNS OR THE KINDER FAMILY. SO I TOOK A COUPLE OF NOTES ON A FEW OF THE ITEMS HE BROUGHT UP. UH, THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, WE AGREE, SIX FOOT WAS NEVER OUR PLAN. MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT FOLLOW THE EXISTING, UH, FENCE LINE. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPL THE PROPERTY ANYWAY. SO I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE ANY ISSUES OF RE PLATTING WITH THAT FENCE BEING THE UPDATED PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD SOLIDIFY ANY OF THOSE UNKNOWNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY INVOLVED. UM, FOOT TRAFFIC FOR LANDSCAPING, WE'RE TOTALLY OPEN TO WHATEVER HELPS THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE TO AVOID PEOPLE WANDERING THROUGH THEIR, THROUGH THEIR YARD. UH, HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM ON WHATEVER WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION THERE. DUMPSTER, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE OPEN TO THE MOVEMENT OF THAT DUMPSTER. UM, IT WAS PLACED THERE OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THAT IS CITY RIGHT OF WAY CURRENTLY. UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BUILDING FIVE WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN OPTION. UH, WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT TO, SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN STAYCATIONS DUMPSTER 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. THEY CURRENTLY PUT IN ANOTHER DUMPSTER I HAVE AT A DIFFERENT PROPERTY. SO THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT THEY CREATE, IT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE MOVING THAT OUT ONCE TO TWICE A DAY TO A, A DUMPSTER OVER OFF THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE OF THE FIFTH BUILDING OR NUMBER FIVE. UH, WE'RE FULLY AWARE THAT DRAINAGE IS GONNA BE A BIG CONVERSATION HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. I ASSUME IT'S GONNA BE SOME BOX DRAINAGE THAT'S GONNA CONNECT TO THE EXISTING LARGE BOX DRAIN ON THE RIGHT OF WAY OF DART. UH, THAT WAS COVERED OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. UH, IT OPENS FARTHER SOUTH, UH, BUT I ASSUME WE'RE GONNA DO PHYSICAL TAPS INTO THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM. UH, LIGHTING PART OF WELLNESS IS PROPER LIGHTING. COURTNEY AND I HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING, BUT I ASSUME WE WOULD FOLLOW A DARK SKY STYLE LIGHTING PLAN. IE THERE WOULD BE MINIMAL BLEED UP OUT TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND WE DO OUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO, TO KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT OFF THEIR PROPERTY, BUT NOT JUST FOR THEM, BUT FOR THE GENERAL WELLNESS OF OUR, OUR PATRONS. UM, I THINK THAT WAS MOST OF THE ONES I CAN ANSWER KIND OF TODAY. UH, THE REST OF 'EM, YEAH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE KINDER FAMILY, MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AS NECESSARY BEFORE GOING TO COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT WE ALL HAD A GOOD LAUGH AS I OFFERED TO NAME THE GARDEN AFTER THEM AND THEY GOT A KICK OUT OF THE KINDERGARTEN [01:45:01] . SO, UM, I, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA COME SHAKE UP ANY, UM, UM, JUST ENERGY OF THE CITY. I JUST, I WANNA WORK IN HONOR OF THEM AND WHAT THEY'VE BUILT AND THEIR FAMILY LEGACY AND ONLY ADD TO IT AND, UM, REALLY ADD A REALLY BEAUTIFUL, UH, CONCEPT THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY GONE BEFORE US AND SHOWN THE BEAUTY OF INTERGENERATIONAL LIVING AND SPACE. UM, SO IT'S JUST WE WILL HONOR ANY REQUEST THAT THEY COME IN OF, OF COURSE, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE CITY, UM, TO WORK WITH YOU AND THE CITY TO, UM, CREATE A REALLY SPECIAL THING IN RICHARDSON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. UM, SO MAYBE AS STAFF YOU WANT TO, UH, COMMENT ON A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS. I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT OPEN FOR A MOMENT JUST IN CASE . UM, AS FAR AS THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR GUIDANCE WHY THERE WAS SIX FOOT? NO, OTHER THAN THE, OUR FENCE CODE ALLOWS A, ALLOWS UP TO A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT FEET. UH, SO THEY COULD EASY EITHER DO A SIX OR AN EIGHT. YEP. AND IF WE NEED TO, UM, WE CAN CHANGE THE MINIMUM TO BE, WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT OF THAT, THAT, UH, FENCE ITSELF. YEAH. AND AS FAR AS FOLLOWING THE EXISTING FENCE LINE, THAT WOULD BE, UH, ON THE KINDER PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE ON BOTH, UH, PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE BOTH PROPERTIES AND IT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN 'EM, RIGHT? CORRECT. UH, FOOT TRAFFIC ACROSS ONE 14 EAST KAUFMAN, UH, WE COULD POSSIBLY TURN THAT, UH, SIDEWALK THAT'S HEADING EASTBOUND ON KAUFMAN AND TURN IT NORTH TO, TO ENCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS TO USE A SIDEWALK TO GET TO THE SITE ITSELF. OKAY. DUMPSTER, ANY ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR DISTANCES FOR THE DUMPSTERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? ARE, ARE THE SIZE OF THE DUMPSTERS OR NUMBER DUMPSTERS OR, I KNOW WE'RE, WE, WE NORMALLY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ACCESS FOR THE TRUCKS AND SCREENING AND ALL THOSE SORT OF THINGS. UM, I MEAN, THERE ARE MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARDS FOR, FOR THE ENCLOSURE. UH, THEY'RE TYPICALLY FOR SINGLE, UH, DUMPSTER, IT'S 11 BY 14, AND THEN THE, UH, TRUCK ITSELF NEEDS A MINIMUM OF 42 FEET OF BACKUP SPACE. UH, SO IT, IT COULD THEORETICALLY GO IN THAT, UH, KIND OF SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. AND, UH, LOOKING AT, HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THE AERIAL ON THAT ADJOINING PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THERE? SO WITH THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER, IS THAT ABUTTING THAT APARTMENT, UH, COMPLEX RIGHT THERE? UM, DO YOU SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? ARE WE JUST MOVING ONE PROBLEM TO ANOTHER? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE MOVING ONE PROBLEM TO THE OTHER. YEAH, I MEAN IT, THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTER, UH, LANDED BASED ON HOW OTHER DUMPSTERS WITHIN THE CORE ARE LOCATED. UH, SO YES. YEAH. OKAY. UH, HOW ABOUT LIGHTING OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE BAR DITCH ON, ON KAUFMAN. ANY INFRASTRUCTURE? WE'LL HAVE TO MEET OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS. YEAH. UH, ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, UH, THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED. SO YEAH. CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT. YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. UH, LIGHTING SPILLOVER IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE HAVE A PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR LIGHTING, NOISE ODOR AND, UH, ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE, UH, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. UH, UH, ALCOHOL SALES THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL THROUGH ZONING. RIGHT, EXACTLY. THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW. UM, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE COMMENT ABOUT THE ALLEY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND, UH, THE VACATION OR ABANDONMENT OF THE ALLEY? AND, UH, UH, DOES, IS THIS PROPERTY, IS THIS CONCEPT PLANNED BASED ON ALL OF THE ALLEY GOING TO THE APPLICANT? NOT AT ALL. IT'S, UH, THE REASON THAT THE NOTICE WAS WRITTEN, THE WAY IT WAS TO INCLUDE THAT PORTION IS TO ALLOW US THE FLEXIBILITY TO EITHER A ABANDON THE EASE, THE ALLEY RIGHT OF WAY, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR ANY PORTION OF IT, UH, TO [01:50:01] EITHER, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. BUT I NEEDED THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE NOTICE SO THAT IF WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ABANDON ALL OF IT IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT, THEN THAT ACREAGE NEEDED TO BE NOTE NOTED IN THE MAIL OUT NOTICE. IN OTHER WORDS, I CAN'T REZONE MORE PROPERTY THAN, THAN WHAT WAS NOTICED, BUT I CAN REZONE LESS PROPERTY THAN WAS, THAN WAS NOTICED. BUT THOSE ARE, UH, PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING AT THIS POINT, UH, TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY, UH, PROVIDES A BENEFIT TO EITHER PROPERTY OWNER. UH, AND JUST SO FOR CLARIFICATION, WHERE IS THAT ALLEY, UH, ON, ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN? IT'S AT PROPERTY OVER THERE. IT'S 20. IT I BELIEVE IT'S 21. I FIGURE IT'S RIGHT EAST OF THE DUMPSTER. NO, NO, IT IS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. OH YEAH. IT'S THE SMALL NEWER BOX. YEAH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE. THAT YEAH. YEAH. THAT BOX THAT IS, YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW, THE, UM, THERE, THERE, THERE'S THE WOODEN FENCE, I GUESS THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ALLEY, CORRECT. AND THE DUMPSTER'S KINDA WESTERN HALF OF THE ALLEY, BUT MAYBE OVERLAPPING THE CENTER LINE OF IT. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT MORE OR LESS ENVISIONS THAT ALL OF THE ALLEY IS GOING TO THE APPLICANT. THAT'S THE WAY THAT THAT CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS IT, CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UH, AND THEN THE UTILITY CAPACITY, AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, BE STUDIED WITH THE BAR DITCH AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE CAPACITY OF THE LINES AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE NEED TO BE REPLACED, UPSIZED, THAT'S CORRECT. AT, AT THE TIME THEY COME IN FOR MORE OR LESS THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS OR CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS DEVELOP CIVIL, ALL THOSE PLANS HAVE TO BE STUDIED THEN. RIGHT. AND SO IF THERE WAS A DEFICIENCY, UH, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT THAT TIME AND, AND THE CITY COULD IMPOSE SOME REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPLICANT TO UPGRADE THOSE LINES. YES, SIR. AT THEIR COST OR AT THEIR COST, YEAH. OKAY. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS ANSWER A FEW OF THE, THE QUESTIONS. SOME OF, SOME OF THIS IS, UH, UH, OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, OR IT KIND OF HASN'T RISEN TO THAT LEVEL YET BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN STUDIED THAT WITH THE CIVIL PLANS AND, AND ENGINEERING PLANTS AND THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF SOME OF THAT IN TERMS OF DOES IT MEET CODE OR NOT, AND THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT? YEAH. THOSE DETAILS WILL BE IRONED OUT AT, AT THE TIME THEY DO SUBMIT THEIR, UH, SHOULD IT GET APPROVED. RIGHT? RIGHT. UH, AT THE TIME THEY SUBMIT THEIR, THEIR, THEIR ENGINEERING SITE PLAN, THEIR THEIR CIVILS, THEIR THEIR PLATS. UH, SO THOSE WILL BE REVIEWED AT THAT POINT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE KINDERS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SECOND. OKAY. WELL THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PURDY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UM, WELL LOOK, I, UH, I, I LIKE THE CONCEPT. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD FOR RICHARDSON. I THINK, UH, I LOVE THE, THE PLAN HERE. UH, I THINK YOU'VE GOTTA IRON OUT SOME OF THESE DETAILS. UM, JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE THAT. UH, AND I DON'T THINK YOU'D DO THIS. UM, BUT I, I THINK 25% GLA G GLAZING'S PROBABLY REASONABLE ENOUGH TO, TO GIVE THAT STREET FRONTAGE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A BACK OF A STRIP CENTER, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, AND THAT, UM, YOU'VE GOT LIKE A SERVICE CORRIDOR AND THE SIDEWALK COMES THAT SERVICE CORRIDOR, AND IT'S NOT THAT INVITING. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOTTA LOOK. UM, IT'S GOTTA LOOK GOOD ON THAT, ON ALL THE STREET FRONTAGES. AND, UH, THE, UM, I THINK THIS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONING REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, UH, STANDARD THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE. I, I THINK THIS IS, UM, I THINK THIS IS A N YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS IN TRANSITION WITH THE CORE DISTRICT. UH, BUT I THINK THE CORE [01:55:01] HAS DEFINITELY BEEN LACKING SOME SORT OF AMENITY, UH, THAT IS A GATHERING PLACE. UH, CERTAINLY THERE'S THE KIND OF THE AREA NORTH, UH, ON THE, ALONG THE DART LINE JUST SOUTH OF BELTLINE, UM, ALONG TEXAS, UH, JUST NORTH OF STAYCATION, THAT'S BECOME SORT OF A GATHERING PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ANOTHER SORT OF, UH, PLACE PARK-LIKE, YOU KNOW, AREA IN A, IN A WALKING DISTANCE, I THINK IS, UM, IS IMPORTANT FOR THE DISTRICT TO KIND OF, EVEN TO EXTEND IT A LITTLE BIT OFF OF A BELTLINE. UH, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY BEEN LACKING, UM, FOR THE CORE. AND, UH, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL POSITIVE. UM, SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS, MR. SOUTHERN. I, I, UH, I LIKED THE, THE CONCEPT AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE A REALLY, UH, DISTINGUISHING ADDITION TO RICHARDSON'S REPUTATION. THERE WAS SOME COMMENT EARLY ABOUT, UH, BY MS. GOWAN ABOUT, UM, UH, HOW MUCH SHE APPRECIATES RICHARDSON. WELL, WE'RE ALL PRETTY BIASED. , AND, UH, UH, WE'RE GLAD YOU SEE THAT THE SAME WAY. UH, I THINK THIS WILL ADD TO RICHARDSON'S APPEAL AND, UH, CERTAINLY, UM, IN THE FAMILY FRIENDLY MANNER THAT IS A PART OF IT AND WILL BE ENHANCED. SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO. UH, I GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF IT. THE, THE BIG QUESTION TO ME IS, SHOULD WE PUT A, UM, SUGGESTION THAT THE DUMPSTER, 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY, I THINK THE, ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIGHTING AND THIS AND THAT, AND YOU'RE HAVING EIGHT TO EIGHT HOURS OF OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING HAS TO, HAS TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE ISSUE. YOU KNOW, WE COULD TRY TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT, BUT, BUT I THINK THE DUMPSTER'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SUGGEST ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UM, OR, OR MAKE SOME SORT OF SUGGESTION THERE. BUT I, BESIDES THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO SLOW THIS PROJECT DOWN CONDITION. MAYBE, MAYBE I, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY THOUGHT. SEE, UM, YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT'S A, A CHANGE WE SHOULD MAKE. UH, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT SHOULD BE NEXT TO BUILDING ONE WITH, THAT'S GONNA BE THE RESTAURANT AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST BUILDING, PROBABLY EASIER ACCESS, BUT ALSO I DON'T LIKE PUTTING IT RIGHT UP AGAINST SOMEBODY'S OFFICE AND THEIR HOUSE. UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A SMELL STANDPOINT, I DO DO WHAT I RECALL ON. YEAH. TRUCKS LOADING, MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT SOUTHWEST CORNER PROBABLY IS BETTER. SO I RECOMMEND THAT CHANGE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE BUILDING HEIGHT TWO. UM, SO ARE WE LIMITING, UH, BUILDING ONE TO TWO STORIES PER THE CONCEPT PLAN? YES, WE ARE. OKAY. YEP. BUT WITH THE 40 FOOT HEIGHT, THAT'S FOR THE PITCH ROOF, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO AS LONG AS IT'S TWO STORIES, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. UM, NOW I, AND THE PART I, I DID WANNA MAKE THIS COMMENT TOO ABOUT THE PARKING. UH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK IN A DISTRICT LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, URBAN WHERE YOU'RE ENCOURAGING, UH, MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITIES, UH, THAT SHARED PARKING BECOMES, IS, IS KIND OF A CENTRAL THEME TO THAT. YOU DON'T WANT JUST A SEA OF, YOU KNOW, SURFACE PARKING IN ORDER TO MEET CODE. UH, THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT THAT, UM, THAT PUBLIC PARKING LOT, AT LEAST TODAY, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK HELPS. AND, UH, I WAS, I'M CERTAINLY FINE WITH THE, UH, PARALLEL ON THE WEST SIDE OF TEXAS. I WAS A LITTLE HESITANT ABOUT THE HEAD END PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GET A LOT OF ACTIVITY, PEOPLE PULLING IN AND OUT. THIS ISN'T A PARK, THIS ISN'T A, A PARKING LOT , SO TO SPEAK. YOU'VE GOT CARS COMING AND GOING. SO A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE, [02:00:01] YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BACK OUT OF A SPACE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S AN ACTIVE STREET THAT YOU'RE BACKING INTO. I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF MY, MY REAL CONCERNS WITH, THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING MAYBE, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CHALLENGE WITH, UH, ANGLED PARKING, AT LEAST MAYBE YOU WOULD AVOID SOME OF THAT COLLISIONS IF SOMEBODY'S BACKING INTO BOTH THE, INTO THE SOUTHBOUND, UH, LANE AS, AS WELL AS OBVIOUSLY THE NORTHBOUND LANE. BUT, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ANOTHER AREA. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE, UH, BUT IT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE. WELL, I JUST, I THINK IT'S, I I, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TOO, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE TEXAS HAS THAT MUCH NO THROUGHPUT AND YOU, AND YOU DON'T, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY DEVELOPMENT WEST. IT'S NOT LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN RETAIL'S GONNA SPRING UP ON THE WEST SIDE. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE DART THERE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY. SO I, I, I KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT THE SAME THING, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF VERY LIMITED THERE AS TO WHAT CAN HAPPEN. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WASN'T WORRIED ABOUT IT, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. YEAH. TEXAS STREET ONLY EXTENDS PAST THE APARTMENTS AND THEN GOES EAST AGAIN. SO, UM, AND MY IMPRESSION FROM , WHAT LITTLE DRIVING I DID DOWN THERE WAS THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC. NOT TODAY. YEAH. AND I'M JUST THINKING INTO THE FUTURE. I, I GUESS AT SOME POINT, IF THE TRAFFIC GOT BAD ENOUGH, YOU COULD COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TOO MANY ISSUES, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT TO AN ANGLE. UM, I MEAN, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY, YOU WOULDN'T NEED ANY MORE RIGHT OF WAY TO GO TO AN ANGLE PARKING, WOULD YOU? NO, SIR. UH, NO, YOU WOULDN'T, BUT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD LOSE PARKING SPACES. YEAH, NO, YOU'D LOSE 'EM, BUT, RIGHT, RIGHT. I, I'M, I'D, I'D RATHER GIVE UP A FEW PARKING SPACES FOR THE SAFETY AND EASE OF GETTING IN AND IN IN THERE. SO I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE LATER TO STRIFE IT AND MAKE 'EM ALL ANGLED. THAT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S STILL DESIGN STANDARDS THAT NEED TO BE MET BASED ON THE ORIENTATION OF THE PARKING SPACES. BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT THERE, YOU HAVE, UH, THOSE PARALLEL SPACES ARE EIGHT FEET WIDE. THE TRAVEL LANES ARE IN LIEU OF 22 FEET. THEY'RE 24 FEET NOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE 18 FOOT DEPTH, UH, HEAD END PARKING STALL. SO IT MEETS ALL OUR DESIGN STANDARDS. WE WE INCREASED THE PAVEMENT WIDTH BECAUSE OF THE, UH, HEAD-END PARKING SPACES. SO YOU'D HAVE MORE ROOM TO BACK OUT BEFORE YOU WERE ACTUALLY HITTING THE STREET? THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU'D HAVE THAT ABILITY TO BACK OUT AND SEE WITHOUT THE CAR NEXT TO YOU BLOCKING YOU. CORRECT. YEAH. BUT WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF AVE NORMAL VEHICLE? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LENGTH IS, BUT WE DO KNOW WHAT OUR STANDARD IS, AND THAT IS 24 FEET OF PAVEMENT FOR ANYTIME WE HAVE, UH, PERPENDICULAR PARKING SPACES. SO IF, AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH A PARKING LOT, UH, IF YOU DO HAVE THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE, UH, PERPENDICULAR PARKING SPACES THAT DRIVE AISLE IS 24 FEET WIDE. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BEACH? SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, UH, PACKAGE 24 DASH 18 WITH THE PROVISION THAT THE DUMPSTER BE MOVED TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT WHERE YOU RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL AND, UH, UH, SURE. , WOULD YOU ALSO CONSIDER, UH, INCREASING THE SIZE, UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE WOODEN FENCE TO EIGHT FEET? I WOULD, UH, SO JUST MOVING THE DUMPSTER AND, UH, THE EIGHT FOOT WOODEN FENCE, EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THE EXISTING FENCE LINES. YEP. MR. CHAIRMAN? YEP. IF I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION, UH, TO THE COMMISSION IN LIEU OF REQUIRING THE DUMPSTER TO BE MOVED, UH, MAYBE THE SUGGESTION OF THE LET STAFF IN THE APPLICANT, UH, LOOK AT THAT DESIGN TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY, UH, CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. NOW THERE IS EXTRA, EXTRA SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, SO THEY CAN GIVE UP SOME SPACE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, UH, IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT EXTRA SPACE THAT THEY WOULD NEED FOR THE WIDTH OF THE DUMPSTER. UH, BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW, BEFORE GETTING TO THE SIDEWALK, THEY WOULD MEET THE 42 FEET OF, OF, OF, UH, MANEUVERING SPACE, UH, FOR THAT TRUCK. UH, THAT DUMPSTER, OF COURSE, WOULD BE FURTHER INTO THE BUILDING. SO IT MAY CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL, [02:05:01] UH, LENGTH IN THAT MANEUVERING SPACE, BUT WITHOUT SEEING WHAT, WHAT IT DOES TO THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT. THE, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT DESIGN WORK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES WE'RE IN THE PROCESS. EVERYBODY HERE APPEARS TO BE PEOPLE OF GOODWILL. SO I'M JUST SAYING LET'S MOVE THIS FORWARD. AND AS WE GO THROUGH, IF THINGS NEED TO BE, UH, SHIFTED AROUND A LITTLE BIT TO ME THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PARLIAMENTARY CORRECT. BUT THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. WELL, THE RECOMMENDATION I FROM STAFF IS THAT, UH, BE, UH, BUILT, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN. RIGHT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. AND SO I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'VE SAID IS OBVIOUSLY WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FENCE, UM, AND THE, BUT THE DUMPSTER IS, UH, TO BE DETERMINED. IT'LL BE WHAT? IT'LL BE. WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING AGAINST THE, THE NEIGHBOR THEY KNOW TOO. I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK OUT MY OFFICE WITH ANOTHER THAT BE SO IT'S YOUR MOTION. YES, SIR. . I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT IT RIGHT. SO, SECONDED . NO, IT HADN'T BEEN SECONDED YET. SO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS, AS PRESENTED WITH THE EIGHT FOOT WOODEN FENCE ALONG THE FENCE LINE AND THE DUMPSTER, UH, LOCATION TO BE, THAT WOULD NOT BE A CONDITION. UH, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT. AND THE APPLICANT OF COURSE, IS HERE. UH, SO HE'S HEARD WHAT YOUR, YEAH. WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE. UH, STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, TO GET THAT TO BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE, UM, AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY HONOR. RIGHT. BUT WE'LL GET THAT, UH, WE'LL GET THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER IN THE BEST LOCATION THAT WE CAN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR HIS MOTION? WHAT I'M HELPING HIM WITH OTHER THAN HE, OTHER THAN, UH, COMMISSIONER BEACH WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE HIS MOTION TO, UH, REQUIRE THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. UH, SO BE IT. REMOVE THAT. OKAY. SO THE ONLY AMENDMENT IS THE, UH, INCREASE, UH, IN HEIGHT TO THE FENCE FROM SIX TO EIGHT FEET. YEP. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CASTILLO, I SECOND. THE MOTION HAS MODIFIED. HAS MODIFIED. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. MM-HMM. PASS. UNANIMOUSLY. . GOOD LUCK. UH, THANKS FOR ALL, ALL FOR BEING HERE. UM, FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, NO, NOT AT ALL. UH, IF YOU, YEAH, IF YOU COULD HANG AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE MEETING, UH, OKAY. SO WE CAN HAVE A REAL QUICK DISCUSSION. OKAY. THEN, UH, WE STAND ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.