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          GOOD 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
EVENING. 
          I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM I'D AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE FOR CHAIRMAN MARSH TO CALL THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER, PLEASE. 
          AND I'LL CALL THE, UH, RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO ORDER. 
          YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE EXCEPT ONE. 
          MR. ROBERTSON WITH US TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MARSH. 
          [1. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUMMIT 3  RESULTS AND PROPOSED PLAN DIRECTION]
WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUMMIT. 
          THREE RESULTS AND PROPOSED PLAN DIRECTION. 
          MR. MAGGART, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL, AND, UH, OUR CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          WELCOME AGAIN. 
          UM, LET ME, UH, JUST MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE JOINT WORK SESSION BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          UM, ONCE THIS MEETING CONCLUDES, UH, WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL BEGIN. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, FROM THE AGENDA THAT WAS PLACED ON THE TABLE OUT FRONT, THE ORDER, UH, OF ITEMS ON THAT MEETING. 
          SO, UH, APPRECIATE YOU, UH, ALL BEING HERE FOR THE JOINT MEETING AS WELL. 
          AND, UH, UH, MAYOR, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, TURN THIS OVER TO MARK BOWERS AND MONICA HODE, AS WELL AS OUR, UH, OUR CITY PLANNING TEAM, UM, THAT WE, UH, HAVE WITH US TONIGHT. 
          UM, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CHECK-IN. 
          UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, MARK AND THE TEAM HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY IN A VARIETY OF WAYS, IN A VARIETY OF FORMATS. 
          UH, THEY'VE TAKEN A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION, UM, AND, UH, COMPILED THAT INTO, UH, A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS, UH, FOR YOU TONIGHT. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, IMPORTANT DIALOGUE AS WE KIND OF BEGIN TO REALLY MOVE TO THE, UH, REFINING PHASE. 
          AND A LOT OF THE CODING WORK WILL BEGIN, UM, A, A AFTER THIS MEETING. 
          AND SO WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM, UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION, THE COUNCIL ON THE, UH, KEY POINTS THAT, UH, WE SEEK FEEDBACK ON TONIGHT, AND THEN CONFIRMATION ON THE OTHER POINTS THAT, UH, WE'RE HEADED IN, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          SO, MARK AND MONICA, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          TO OUR TEAM, THANKS FOR ALL, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, UH, SINCE OUR LAST, UH, SUMMIT TWO UPDATE AND, UH, TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MARK FOR, UH, FURTHER BRIEFING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGAIN, MARK BOWERS. 
          I'M A PLANNER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH KIMLEY HORN. 
          VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING AND SHARE WHAT WE HAVE, UH, HEARD THROUGH THIS THIRD ROUND OF COMMUNITY INPUT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UH, WE HAD REALLY GOOD TURNOUT. 
          SO, UH, LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A, UH, SUMMARY OF THE ACTIVITIES AND THE LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION AND ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAD. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WANT TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE COMMUNITY SUMMIT THREE RESULT AND PROPOSED PLAN DIRECTION AND THE TWO KEY AREAS THAT WE WANTED TO DRILL INTO TONIGHT. 
          WE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS IN ON THOSE KEY THINGS WHERE, UH, WE THINK THAT WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM YOU. 
          UH, OVERALL, I THINK THE RESULTS, IF, IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THREE ROUNDS OF INPUT. 
          NOW, EACH ROUND WAS BUILDING ON THE PREVIOUS ROUND, AND SO IT WAS REALLY STARTING TO HONE IN ON THE DIRECTION RATHER THAN PRESENTING ALL NEW MATERIAL AND, AND GETTING FEEDBACK. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE WERE NOT SURPRISED THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THE DIRECTION WE WERE HEADED WAS SUPPORTED THIS ROUND. 
          AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY BUILDING UPON WHAT WE HAD HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ALL THE WAY BACK TO ROUND ONE. 
          SO, UH, BUT THERE ARE STILL A FEW THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM COUNCIL, AND THE, THE CPC, AND IT'S RELATED TO THE LAND USE DIRECTION SPECIFICALLY, UH, SECONDARY USES IN SOME CASES. 
          AND THEN ALSO ON THE LAND USE DIRECTION, IT'LL BE, UH, RELATED, RELATED TO THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, IF YOU'LL RECALL. 
          THAT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE LAND USE AND THE PLACE TYPES, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE WANNA SHARE SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT ON THE VISIONS FOR THE REINVESTMENT AREAS. 
          TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. 
          SO AGAIN, UH, THE PURPOSE TONIGHT IS TO GIVE YOU THAT OVERVIEW OF THE SUMMIT THREE ACTIVITIES, RECEIVE FEEDBACK, UH, TO INFORM THE FINAL PLAN DIRECTION. 
          UH, THE FI FINAL PLAN DIRECTION WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REPORT. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, IN, IN MAKING REFINEMENTS TO IT. 
          BUT THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOU THIS FALL. 
          UH, THIS IS THAT TIMELINE THAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          UH, WE ARE NOW TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE PLANNED DRAFTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, REFINING IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES, AND REALLY MOVING TOWARDS THAT ADOPTION PROCESS LATER THIS FALL. 
          UH, SO, UH, BACK TO THE SUMMARY OF, UH, SUMMIT THREE ACTIVITIES. 
          A COUPLE OF KEY THINGS HERE. 
          THESE SLIDES ARE GONNA LOOK FAMILIAR 'CAUSE WE KEEP BUILDING UPON THEM. 
          UH, BUT THIS SHOWS THAT ENGAGEMENT OVERVIEW. 
          UH, SO THIS SUMMIT, UH, ROUND THREE STARTED ON FRIDAY, JUNE 7TH AND COMPLETE. 
          AND WE, UH, CONTINUED TO RECEIVE ENGAGEMENT THROUGH SUNDAY, JULY 7TH. 
          UH, SO WE WANTED TO, ONCE AGAIN, TO GIVE FOLKS A FULL MONTH DURING THIS ROUND. 
          UH, THIS ROUND THERE WERE 1070 INDIVIDUAL TOUCHPOINTS, UH, WITH FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AND WITH THIS THIRD ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE HAD 
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A TOTAL OF ALMOST 3,600 TOUCH POINTS TO DATE, INDIVIDUAL TOUCH POINTS WITH FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AGAIN, IT'S THE THIRD ROUND OF THREE. 
          UH, THERE WILL BE A PERIOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE REPORT AND PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          BUT AS FOR THE FORMAL ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHERE WE'RE GOING OUT TO MEETINGS, UH, THAT PROCESS IS, UH, PRETTY MUCH COMPLETE. 
          UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, WE HAD ONLINE PRESENCE, UH, VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT, THAT ONLINE PRESENCE, UH, UH, FEEDBACK WAS AGAIN AVAILABLE AND, UH, UH, SET UP TO FACILITATE FEEDBACK IN NEARLY A HUNDRED LANGUAGES. 
          UM, TO DATE, THROUGH THAT ONLINE PROCESS, UH, WE'VE HAD OVER 18,000 UNIQUE VISITS TO THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT, AGAIN, WE HAD AN ONLINE SURVEY, AN INTERACTIVE MAP, UH, THAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO MAYBE COULDN'T MAKE A MEETING, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK. 
          UH, AND ESSENTIALLY WE STRUCTURED ALL OF THE MATERIALS, UH, FOR THE ONLINE FEEDBACK, UH, IN THE SAME MANNER THAT WE DID THE MATERIALS THAT WERE IN THE FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS, UH, SO THAT WE WERE GETTING APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISONS. 
          UH, SURVEY WAS FULLY COMPLETED BY 288 EVENTUAL INDIVIDUALS AND PARTIALLY COMPLETED BY 352, UH, ADDITIONAL PERSONS, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 640. 
          ESSENTIALLY, THAT WASN'T, UH, SOMETHING TO BE ALARMED ABOUT. 
          WE TOLD PEOPLE GOING IN THAT IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR AREA THAT YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON, FEEL FREE TO DO THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SAY, I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS PIECE OF IT, SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE THE SURVEY. 
          WE WANTED THEM TO COMPLETE THE PIECES THAT THEY WERE MOST INTERESTED IN COMPLETING. 
          UH, SO RICHARDSON PUBLIC EVENTS, UH, AGAIN, WE UTILIZE THE EVENTS TO PROVIDE IN, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, HOW TO GET ENGAGED. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS EVENTS THAT STAFF, UH, ATTENDED AND PROVIDED INFORMATION, UH, REGARDING THE PLAN ITSELF, AS WELL AS, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE, UH, THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS. 
          THROUGH THIS THIRD ROUND, UH, MEETING IN A BOX DISCUSSIONS, UH, WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE ONCE AGAIN, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, SMALL GROUPS THAT WANTED TO HAVE A SELF-GUIDED DISCUSSION. 
          UH, UH, UH, IN, ESSENTIALLY IN THE PAST, WE HAD AMBASSADORS THAT WERE TRAINED, AND WE HAD A PROCESS WHERE THE AMBASSADORS WOULD NEED TO FACILITATE THE DISCUSSIONS IN THIS ROUND. 
          WE SAID WE DIDN'T WANT TO HANDCUFF ANYBODY SAYING, WELL, I CAN'T FIND AN AMBASSADOR, OR, IT'S NOT CONVENIENT TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE MADE IT IN AVAILABLE TO ANY GROUP OR, UH, UH, GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WANTED TO FACILITATE A MEETING, ALTHOUGH THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST AN AMBASSADOR TO COME AND FACILITATE IT WITH THEM. 
          UH, WE HAD, UH, AGAIN, UH, MATERIALS AVAILABLE IN OVER A HUNDRED LANGUAGES WITH GOOGLE TRANSLATE. 
          AND, UH, THE VOLUNTEERS FACILITATED SIX DISCUSSIONS INVOLVING 39 COMMUNITY MEMBERS THIS ROUND. 
          UH, THIS WAS THE OUTREACH, UH, TO ENCOURAGE DIFFERENT GROUPS, UH, FROM AROUND THE COMMUNITY TO HOST A MEETING IN A BOX, UH, WITH, UH, STAFF REACHING OUT TO THESE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, ENCOURAGING THEM TO DO SO. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAD POPUPS THAT WERE, UH, IN KEY LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY TO ADVERTISE THE SUMMIT, UH, DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE WEBSITE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE SURVEY IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO. 
          AND THESE WERE THE LOCATIONS THAT THOSE POPUP BANNERS WERE LOCATED AROUND THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THERE WERE ALSO OTHER PROMOTIONAL EFFORTS, UH, JUST TO GET THE WORD OUT AND DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE WEBSITE OR TO MEETINGS TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE. 
          UH, ENVISIONED RICHARDSON EMAIL UPDATES, UH, CITY OF RICHARDSON PUBLICATIONS AND SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF POSTERS AND REC CARDS AT, UH, CITY OF RICHARDSON FACILITIES THAT WERE PUT OUT, UH, EMAIL NEWSLETTER, FLYERS FROM SCHOOLS, PLACES OF WORSHIP AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS, YARD SIGNS AND MEDIANS, PARKS, TRAILS AND DART STATIONS, HOA PRESIDENT'S EMAILS, NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP PRESENTATION THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, UH, UH, PRIOR TO THE SUMMIT. 
          AND WE'LL SHARE A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE INFORMATION ON THAT IN A MOMENT. 
          UH, THE LEADERSHIP AND CITIZENS AND ALUMNI ASSOCIATION NEWSLETTER AND, UH, CHAMBER NEWSLETTERS. 
          SO, UH, THOSE MARKETING MATERIALS INCLUDED 70 YARD SIGNS AND 1500 RACK CARDS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATIONS, UH, THAT THOSE WERE PROVIDED AROUND THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN, UH, TWO COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSES. 
          UH, SO THE TWO COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSES WERE, UH, ATTENDED BY APPROXIMATELY, UH, 90 PEOPLE COMBINED. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE, AGAIN, WE TRIED TO STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THAT IT WAS, UH, AN EVENING OPEN HOUSE, AS WELL AS A SATURDAY MORNING OPEN HOUSE TO TRY TO MAKE IT MORE FLEXIBLE. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE A COMPANION PIECE TO THE ONLINE ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UH, SO ONE WAS HELD AT THE RICHARDSON CITY HALL, THIS PARTICULAR 
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LOCATION ON JUNE 11TH, IN THE SECOND AT THE HEIGHTS RECREATION CENTER ON THE 22ND. 
          AND THESE STATIONS THAT WE LIST HERE, SECONDARY LAND USES, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE MOBILITY MISSING, MIDDLE HOUSING, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, AND REINVESTMENT AREAS. 
          AGAIN, THOSE WERE THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PROVIDED ONLINE FOR FEEDBACK, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE MEETING IN A BOX. 
          AND AT THE OPEN HOUSES, UH, WE FELT LIKE WE HAD PRETTY GOOD DISTRIBUTION, UH, NO MATTER WHERE WE HAD IT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE WEST OF 75 AND ONE EAST OF 75. 
          UH, BUT FOR BOTH MEETINGS, THERE WAS, UH, PRETTY GOOD DISTRIBUTION AROUND THE COMMUNITY, UH, WITH PARTICIPATION. 
          SO REALLY WE WANTED THE, UH, MAIN FOCUS TONIGHT, UH, TO BE ON THE COMMUNITY SUMMIT. 
          THREE RESULTS AND THE PROPOSED PLAN DIRECTION. 
          UM, I GUESS THE, THE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY AS WE GO INTO THIS, UM, THIS WAS THE THIRD OF THREE ROUNDS OF MEETINGS. 
          UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY A RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE FIRST MEETING. 
          REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY IS SET THE BAR ON THESE TOPICS THAT IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE FOR RICHARDSON. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE TRIED TO HAVE AS MANY TOUCHPOINT WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WE COULD TO HELP US DETERMINE WHERE THAT BAR OUGHT TO BE SET. 
          SO THIS IS OUR, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THIS POINT WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT BE SET, BUT IT'S NOT SET IN STONE. 
          THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ARE RELATED TO SECONDARY LAND USES WITHIN THE PLACE, TYPES MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WITHIN THE PLACE TYPES. 
          UM, AND THE THING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS WE ARE NOT CREATING ZONING WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GUIDE TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE THE COMMUNITY LANDED ON THESE TOPICS AND WHERE WE'D LIKE TO GO, BUT IT'S NOT ESTABLISHING ZONING THAT WILL BE DONE, UH, UH, THROUGH LATER PROCESSES, UH, WHERE THERE WILL BE, UH, INDIVIDUAL FEEDBACK AS SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A ZONING APPLICATION FOR ONE OF THESE THINGS. 
          THERE'S STILL ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER RUN AT IT FOR THE PART OF CPC AND THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YEAH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID THIS, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDED US SOME GUIDELINES ON, UH, HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH LOOKING AT THESE THINGS. 
          AND SO, IS THIS MEETING THOSE GUIDELINES? DO I THINK THIS SHOULD BE SUPPORTED OR NOT? AS YOU GET INTO THE ZONING PROCESS? SO THAT SAID, RELATED TO THE LAND USE DIRECTION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE HAD MORE THAN 1400 INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS ON THE LAND USE MAP. 
          AND THAT'S COMBINED FROM THE, THE FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS. 
          A LOT OF IT WAS THE ONLINE INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO TO LOCATIONS AND PLACE A PEN AND MAKE A COMMENT. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THROUGH THE MEETING IN A BOX, UH, THOSE 1400 INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS, IN MANY CASES, IN THE MAJORITY OF CASES WERE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH LAND USE. 
          IT WAS SAYING, WE NEED TO MAKE THIS AREA WALKABLE. 
          IT'S ALL IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO KNOW AS WE PAINT THE PICTURE AND ADD RICHNESS TO THE PLAN. 
          UH, BUT IN PARTICULAR, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE LAND USE MAP BASED UPON THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED. 
          WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THOSE. 
          AGAIN, 1400 IS A LOT OF COMMENTS TO GO THROUGH, UH, AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH 'EM WITH STAFF AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UH, BUT WE DON'T SEE WHOLESALE CHANGES FROM THE MAP THAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY. 
          MUCH OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS MANY OF THE LAND USES IN RICHARDSON ARE ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          IT'S NOT A GREENFIELD COMMUNITY WITH A LOT OF EXPANSIVE LAND FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON SOME REDEVELOPMENT AREAS. 
          AND THEN BEYOND THE REDEVELOPMENT AREAS, THE WAY WE'RE IMPACTING LAND USE IS THROUGH THE SECONDARY LAND USES THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE PLACE TYPES OR IMPACTING LAND USE THROUGH THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE REALLY BOILED IT DOWN TO THOSE KEY DISCUSSION POINTS. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AND SAYING, HEY, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE SHOULD CHANGE TO MIXED USE OR RETAIL. 
          UH, THERE, THERE ARE KEY REINVESTMENT AREAS WHERE WE'VE, UH, TENDED TO HAVE MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO DO IS REMIND YOU OF THE PRIMARY LAND USES. 
          SO THROUGH FEEDBACK AND SUMMITS ONE AND TWO, WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY QUITE A BIT IN DEVELOPING CONSENSUS. 
          IN, IN THAT VERY FIRST MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PLACE TYPES AND PRIMARY LAND USES. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY, UH, DEVELOPED A DIRECTION FOR THE CHARACTER INTENT, THE PRIMARY USE, THE, THE EXAMPLE IMAGERY, UH, THAT, 
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UH, IS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PRIMARY USE. 
          UM, I, I WILL POINT OUT, AND I'LL POINT IT OUT TO YOU IN MORE DETAIL, UH, AS WE START TO GET INTO THE RESULTS IN A FEW MINUTES WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRIMARY USE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME GRAYED OUT BOXES. 
          AND YOU MAY SAY, WELL, WHY WAS THAT NOT INCLUDED AS A USE WITHIN THIS AREA? THE FOCUS THAT WE HAVE ON THOSE SLIDES IS ON SECONDARY USES. 
          AND SO IF IT'S GOT A P IN A BOX, IT MEANS IT'S ALREADY A USE IN THE AREA, IT'S A PRIMARY USE. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED MORE ON SECONDARY USES IN THOSE AREAS. 
          SO I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          UH, BUT JUST A RECAP OF THE PLACE TYPES. 
          UH, WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL COMPACT, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. 
          UH, YOU SEE EACH OF THEM HAS A PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTION, THE PRIMARY USES AS WELL AS SECONDARY USES. 
          AND THOSE SECONDARY USES WERE NOT THE FULL ARRAY OF SECONDARY USES THAT WE TOOK TO MEETING TWO. 
          IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE CAME BACK TO YOU AND PRESENTED RESULTS AFTER MEETING TWO AND REFINED THE DIRECTION ON WHICH ONES WE WANTED TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SECONDARY USES. 
          UH, I WILL SAY THAT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING IS A GUT FEEL TELLS ME, YES, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY MUCH IN LINE. 
          THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE SAYING, IT'S MAKING SENSE, WE'RE HEADING THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FROM, AS A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT THAT CONCERNS ME WITH THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. 
          IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT SETTING THE BAR FOR RICHARDSON WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. 
          SO THE THE SECOND SET, THE RETAIL PLACE, PLACE TYPES, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, THE EMPLOYMENT PLACE TYPES WITH INDUSTRY OR INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY AND THE REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THE QUALITY OF LIFE PLACE TYPES WITH TRANSIT VILLAGE, INSTITUTIONAL CAMPUS, AND PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE PRIMARY. 
          THOSE WERE THE PLACE TYPES WITH THEIR PRIMARY USES. 
          AND, UH, THE ACTIVITY WE HAD RELATED TO SECONDARY USES IS, UH, WE, UH, IF WE HAD AN ACTIVITY THAT WAS FOCUSED ON, UH, STARTING TO IDENTIFY FINAL DIRECTION FOR THE PREFERRED SECONDARY USES IN EACH PLACE TYPE, UH, THE OPTIONS THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, WERE BASED UPON A COLD SET OF USES, UH, THAT, UH, WERE SELECTED BASED ON THE INPUT AND LEVEL OF SUPPORT WE GOT IN COMMUNITY SUMMIT TWO COUNCIL FEEDBACK AT THE APRIL WORK SESSION. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE TWO KEY THINGS THAT WENT INTO, WHICH ARE THE ONES WE'RE TAKING FORWARD TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          PARTICIPANTS WERE ASKED TO SELECT WHETHER THEY AGREED WERE NEUTRAL OR DISAGREED WITH THE PROPOSED SECONDARY USE WITHIN EACH PLACE TYPE. 
          AND AS YOU LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, WE'VE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY IT TO WHERE A BOX WITH A GREEN CHECK MEANS THAT THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT WAS THERE. 
          YOU HAVE ALL OF THE BACKGROUND SUMMARIES AND DATA TABLES, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS. 
          UH, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AND SAY, WAS THERE GENERALLY SUPPORT FOR THIS FROM A GUT STANDPOINT? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO THIS TO HAVE THIS, UH, SECONDARY USE WITHIN THESE AREAS? OR IS IT GOING TO CREATE, UH, CONFLICTS IN THE FUTURE? AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL SECONDARY USES, UH, WHERE WE'D LIKE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. 
          SO THE, THE, THE FEEDBACK WASN'T AS STRONG, THERE WASN'T A STRONG DIRECTION FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE WITH YOU AND, AND RAISE SOME QUESTIONS AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK. 
          SO THIS IS THAT SUMMARY CHART THAT TOOK MULTIPLE CHARTS THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKETS AND TRIED TO SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU. 
          BUT AGAIN, LET'S START WITH THE GRAY BOXES. 
          IF IT'S A GRAY BOX WITH A P IN IT, IT MEANS THAT THAT'S ALREADY A PRIMARY USE IN THAT PLACE. 
          TYPE THE COLORED, UH, UH, AREAS, UH, THE COLORED BOXES ALONG THE TOP ARE ESSENTIALLY THE PLACE TYPES. 
          AND THEN THE GRAY BOXES ARE THINGS THAT WE DID NOT ASK THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IF IT'S A GRAY BOX WITHOUT A P IN MOST CASES, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT THEY DID NOT THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE, UH, WITHIN THOSE PLACE TYPES. 
          SO WE CU IT DOWN. 
          UH, AND, AND SO AS, AS YOU GO THROUGH IT, TAKE A LOOK, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT OVERALL THE THINGS THAT WE PROVIDED THE COMMUNITY, UH, THERE WAS A MAJORITY OF SUPPORT FOR INCLUDING THOSE PLACE TYPES. 
          AND AGAIN, LOOKING BACK, I WASN'T COMPLETELY SURPRISED BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT UPON WHAT WE HAD ASKED THE COMMUNITY PREVIOUSLY, AND WE JUST WANTED TO HONE IN ON IT. 
          UH, NOW THE ONES WITH THE, THE LITTLE, UH, ORANGE BOXES, THE LITTLE ORANGE, UH, UH, THOUGHT BOXES WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SO FAR? OKAY. 
          SO 
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SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS, SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART, WE SAID OFFICE USES IN NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT BOX AT THE TOP CORNER, TOP LEFT OFFICE USE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, THIS ONE SURPRISED US A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, AND I THINK IT'S THE WAY WE ASK THE QUESTION. 
          SO AS WE SAID, SHOULD THERE BE OFFICE USES WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE, UH, WE STARTED THINKING AS THE COMMUNITY WAS RESPONDING, NO, WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT. 
          THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT STANDALONE OFFICE BUILDINGS, AND WE SHOULD HAVE NUANCED THE QUESTION TO SHOULD SMALLER SERVICE ORIENTED LIKE DOCTORS, DENTISTS, INSURANCE AGENTS, AGENTS, UH, BE ALLOWED AS A SECONDARY USE WITHIN THE PLACE TYPE. 
          SO THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THERE'S NOT A RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER HERE, BUT WE WONDERED IF THAT QUESTION, MAYBE WE DIDN'T DO AS GOOD A JOB AS WE WANTED TO IN ASKING ABOUT OFFICE USES. 
          THE SECOND ONE IS, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED USES IN COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPES. 
          SO THERE WERE A ARRAY OF USES THAT THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED, BUT THEY DIDN'T SUPPORT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED THINK TOWNHOME AS BEING A PART OF THAT. 
          AND SO THIS EXAMPLE, FOR TRANSPARENCY SAKE, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS NOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY A STANDALONE SINGLE FAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. 
          IT IS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. 
          BUT YOU GET THE IDEA THAT IF THAT WAS A ROW OF ROW HOUSES OR TOWN TOWNHOMES, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE EDGE OF A COMMER COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL MAY BE BUFFERING SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD ONE, UH, WHERE WE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK WAS RELATED TO THE INNOVATION AND INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE. 
          UM, SO PART OF THIS I THINK, IS PEOPLE THINK A LOT ABOUT THE, WHAT WAS THE INNOVATION DISTRICT, THE IQ, AND REALLY THAT CORE AREA THAT WAS INTENDED REZONED FOR, UH, FOR THE, THE MORE INNOVATION INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          AND NOT SO MUCH FOR, UH, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER PLACES IN TOWN WHERE, UH, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT PLACE TYPE. 
          SO AS YOU LOOK AT YOUR LAND USE MAP, I GUESS THE QUESTION WE HAD IS SHOULD SOME LEVEL OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, BE LISTED AS A POTENTIAL SECONDARY PLACE TYPE SO THAT IN A CASE BY CASE SITUATION, IF SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD TO ZONING, YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THESE THREE, BUT WE, WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND SEE THOSE, THOSE WERE OUR THOUGHTS GOING INTO IT. 
          SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BACK UP MAYOR AND GO THROUGH INDIVIDUALLY OR JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS? YEAH, MARK, GO BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION AND LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK OR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'LL TRY TO, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE'LL TRY TO COME TO SOME RESOLUTION, UM, FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL ON THE CPC CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME, CHAIRMAN MORRIS. 
          YOU WANNA SEE IF ANYONE ON THE CPC WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? SURE. 
          WELL, UH, WELL, I'LL START OFF. 
          UH, I ALWAYS LIKE TO LEAD OFF MY GROUP AND THEN SEE WHO WANTS TO FOLLOW AFTER THAT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, OFFICES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S SOMETIMES A, UH, DISTINCTION BETWEEN IS IT, IS IT IN A SINGLE FAMILY OR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE? WHERE'S THAT BOUNDARY? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BECAUSE IF IT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING AND ON A DIFFERENT TRACT OF LAND VERSUS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, DEEPER INTO A, A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD AN OFFICE THAT POPPED UP, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT IF IT'S ON THAT BUFFERED EDGE MM-HMM, , AND IT'S SMALL, LIKE YOU SAY, YEAH, MAYBE, RIGHT? IT PROBABLY DOES WORK. 
          BUT, UM, UM, SO THAT'S MY FEELING THERE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE MIXED USE AND THE INNOVATION DISTRICT, I MEAN, THAT CLEARLY WAS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE REZONED THE IQ, AND WE DID CREATE THAT, UM, ALONG GREENVILLE ON SORT OF BOTH SIDES OF IT. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS IN THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE, MATT, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IT ALONG DUCK CREEK, AND CLEARLY THAT WOULD BE AN AREA WHERE WE THOUGHT, UM, SOME RE YOU KNOW, UH, MULTIFAMILY COULD GO INTO, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A MIXED USE KIND OF AREA ALONG, UH, DUCK CREEK. 
          SO ANYONE ELSE? 
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MR. CONSTANTINO? YEAH, I, I, I WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF YOU WHEN YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, AN OFFICE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, I, THERE WAS A LOT, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I WENT TO A LOT OF FREELANCERS AND CONSULTANTS WHO WORKED OUTTA THEIR HOME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS. 
          SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE KIND OF, THE VALUE IS. 
          I GUESS FROM A CERTAIN STANDPOINT, I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          AT A CERTAIN POINT YOU'RE LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE RUNNING A, AN AGENCY WITH 10 PEOPLE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD TO HAVE IT ON A STREET IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU MITIGATE THAT. 
          UM, I'M SURE THERE'S SMARTER PEOPLE HERE WITH THE CITY THAT, THAT KNOW THAT. 
          BUT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS I THOUGHT, WELL, CERTAINLY THEY'RE GONNA EXIST THAT WAY, AND, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE CAN MAKE THEM GO AWAY. 
          SO I, I'M OBVIOUSLY FOR IT IN THAT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, COMMISSIONER BEACH, LET ME ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO SAID, BECAUSE I MEAN, I DARE SAY THERE ARE TONS OF OFFICES ACROSS NEIGHBORHOODS NOW, UH, WHERE A REALTOR HAS A PHONE AND THEY HAVE A COMPUTER AND THEY'RE CALLING TRYING TO GET LISTINGS. 
          AND WHEN THEY GET ONE, THEY'RE GONNA JUMP IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVE SOMEWHERE AND HAVE A MEETING. 
          BUT IF IT'S A, UH, AN OFFICE WHERE I'VE GOT 22 CLIENTS COMING IN TODAY, UM, STILL A REALTOR, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT THE ONE THAT'S JUST HAS A HOME OFFICE AND IS DOING WORK FROM THERE, AND, AND LIKE JOE SAID, TONS OF INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS DO THAT. 
          SO I DARE SAY THERE'S ALREADY A, A LOT OF OFFICES IN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACARD UP THERE, UH, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO I, I, I WOULD SAY YOU STILL NEED TO TAILOR THAT QUESTION A BIT, A BIT MORE. 
          UH, AND OTHERWISE, UH, PERFECTLY FINE WITH HAVING OFFICE IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, I WORK FROM HOME AND I GUESS THE, THE, THE PARTICULAR REASON WE SHOWED CANYON CREEK IS IF AN INSURANCE AGENT WANTED TO LOCATE WITHIN THAT COMMERCIAL AREA, WOULD AN OFFICE OR A DOCTOR'S OFFICE, WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE THERE? YEAH. 
          WELL, AGAIN, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BOUNDARIES IN MY MIND. 
          EXACTLY. 
          TWO CREEKS IS NOT WHERE IT'S LOCATED PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          RIGHT, OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          IT REALLY HAS. 
          IT'S, IT'S LIKE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL YES. 
          DESIGNATION PLACE TYPE. 
          RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY OFFICE FITS IN THERE. 
          SO I WOULDN'T CALL TWO CREEKS, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I CALL IT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I LOOK AT IT, MARK, UH, JUST, JUST A, SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          SO EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DESCRIBED, UM, WE HAVE A, UH, HOME OCCUPATION ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THIS THAT WOULD CONTROL THINGS LIKE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT COULD REPORT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE. 
          UH, I MEAN, SO IT'S A, IT'S A SLEW OF, OF SEPARATE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, KIND OF OVERSEE THE OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS IN THE HOME. 
          'CAUSE 'CAUSE YOU WERE BOTH RIGHT? I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE DOZENS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF BUSINESSES OPERATING TODAY OUT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE QUITE A, UM, I THINK A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO REGULATING THOSE BUSINESSES. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK MARK, PERHAPS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION WAS MORE, UM, IN A, IN A EXISTING OR A NEW COMMERCIAL SETTING THAT WOULD ALSO BE LOCATED. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU MIGHT ELABORATE ON THAT. 
          SO IT, I THINK THE VISION ORIGINALLY AS WE POSED THE QUESTION WAS IF THERE'S THESE SMALLER RETAIL AREAS, LIKE TWO CREEKS THAT ARE LOCATED WITH PROXIMITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WOULD YOU NECESSARILY LIMIT YOURSELF TO A, TO A LITTLE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT OR A RESTAURANT WHICH WAS SUPPORTED, OR WHICH YOU ALSO OPEN IT UP TO SOME OF THESE OTHER TYPES OF USES. 
          AND THE THOUGHT BEING THAT MAYBE IT'S A VERY SMALL AREA, UH, THAT DIDN'T WARRANT HAVING A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION. 
          UH, AND THAT'S WHY IT MIGHT FALL AS A SECONDARY USE UNDER THE, THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          CPC DON'T, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE GAVE YOU ANY FEEDBACK ON THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED MM-HMM. 
          IN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, DID WE? NO. 
          YEAH. 
          , UM, TO ME, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT FITS THERE AND I THINK WE SAW THAT WITH SOME OF THE REINVESTMENT AREAS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WHERE THAT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR MULTIFAMILY, UM, TOWN HOME WOULD BE A POTENTIAL REINVESTMENT FOR THOSE TYPES, TYPES OF AREAS. 
          SO I, I THINK IT DOES AS A SECONDARY USE. 
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OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO TO COUNSEL, MR. DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, MARK. 
          UM, I, I JUST FOR NOW, AT THE SAME TIME, I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THIS, UM, PARTICULAR USE AND ALSO SINCE YOU PULLED UP, UH, TWO CREEKS, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF TORN BETWEEN DO WE HAVE BUSINESSES AND, AND OR DO WE HAVE, UH, COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT AND RETAIL? AND I DO KNOW RIGHT NOW IN THIS PARTICULAR SETTING, THERE IS AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM IN THAT MM-HMM. 
          , UH, SPACE. 
          AND MOST OF THAT IS RETAIL OR RESTAURANT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT REALLY CONSIDERED A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN, UH, CANYON CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD, I, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT YOU HAVE AROUND A COMMUNITY, UH, WHETHER IT'S A PART OF THE COMMUNITY OR NOT, YOU REALLY HAVE TO EVALUATE HOW MUCH OF THAT AND HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE THERE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GONNA BE UTILIZED FOR LIVE WORK, PLAY ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND, AND THIS EXAMPLE HERE PROVIDES GREEN SPACE, PROVIDES, UH, A PLACE, A DESIGNATED PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          I, I THINK IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT ON HOW MANY BUSINESSES ARE, WOULD YOU ALLOW, UH, TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT TO BE ENTERTAINED BY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, A FEW BUSINESSES IN THIS SIZE DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD, BUT IF YOU HAD ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, UM, A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT OR A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE THAT MORE. 
          SO. 
          AND I THINK IT REALLY IS GONNA COME DOWN TO A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND, AND, AND, AND DECIDE EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GONNA BE UTILIZED. 
          RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, SINCE IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE 25, EVEN 25% OFFICE SPACE, WHETHER IT'S DENTISTRY OR 'CAUSE I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE TO BE OUT AND GO TO RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAIN. 
          UH, BUT I DO THINK YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT OF IT. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE BASED ON MAYBE THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I, TO GO BACK TO THIS OFFICE AND I, I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE DEFINITION AND UNDERSTANDING AND, UM, AND I, I SENSE THAT PERHAPS SOME OF, I THINK OTHERS, UM, AROUND THESE TABLES ARE TWO. 
          SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND, DON, AND, AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE AREA WHERE I LIVE. 
          I LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF COTTONWOOD PARK, YOU KNOW, JUST NORTH OF ME FIVE HOUSES DOWN MY, IT'S MY DENTIST OFFICE ALONG WITH, I THINK THERE'S A CHURCH THERE NOW, AND I THINK THERE'S TWO CHURCHES THERE. 
          WHAT IS, DO WE KNOW, AND YOU MAY NOT, I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THAT CONSIDERED OFFICE, IS THAT CONSIDERED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL CURRENTLY? UM, 'CAUSE I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY IS OFFICE, HOW THAT MIGHT DIFFER FROM WHAT, YOU KNOW, MY, I GUESS SOME OF THE OTHER PLACE TYPES. 
          UM, SURE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND, UM, UH, UH, QUADRANT OF THE, UM, FUTURE ENUS MAP, RIGHT? YOU'LL SEE COTTONWOOD PARK. 
          SO RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE OF COTTONWOOD, SO INCLUDING THE ONE STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON COTTONWOOD JUST SOUTH OF BELTLINE ALL THE WAY OVER TO KUWAIT IN THE NORTH IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. 
          SO WHAT DOES OFFICE LOOK LIKE AS COMPARED TO COMMUNITY? 'CAUSE TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE OFFICE, BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALL OFFICES, DENTISTS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. 
          A COUPLE OTHER LITTLE INDEPENDENT SHOPS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE, THE QUESTION I THINK THAT'S BEFORE YOU ON THIS SLIDE IS EITHER IN THOSE ONE STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS OR IN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, UH, DOW RICH OR THE PROMENADE, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH A INSURANCE AGENT OPENING UP AN OFFICE OR A DENTIST OPENING UP AN OFFICE OR A, UM, A, AN ATTORNEY OPENING UP AN OFFICE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL OR THE RESTAURANTS THAT, THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD NORMALLY ASSOCIATE WITH THOSE AREAS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WOULD ALLOW AN OFFICE BUILDING TO BE CONSTRUCTED, YOU KNOW, A MULTI-STORY OFFICE BUILDING MOVING FORWARD. 
          WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT THE QUESTION THOUGH? I, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT IS THAT THE QUESTION? 'CAUSE THAT, TO ME, THIS QUESTION IS, ARE WE PUTTING OFFICES IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THE TWO CREEKS, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE QUESTION WAS. 
          YEAH. 
          TWO CREEKS IS, 
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IS ON HERE AS, AS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. 
          IT'S NOT ON HERE AS SINGLE FAMILY, NEIGHBORHOOD AS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE CONFUSION. 
          PERHAPS IT'S THE EXAMPLE THAT'S CAUSING THE CONFUSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ON THE LAND USE MAP THAT WAY. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND SO CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME CLARITY? SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          NO, AND, AND THAT'S, I AGREE. 
          I I I THINK I CAN HELP CLARIFY. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREAS IN YELLOW ON THE MAP, ARE THERE KEY AREAS WITHIN THE YELLOW WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A VERY SMALL NODE, MAYBE A, A COUPLE OF ACRES WHERE YOU SAY, YEAH, IF SOMEBODY AT THAT KEY INTERSECTION WANTED TO COME IN AND PUT A RESTAURANT IN A DENTIST OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ARE WE OKAY WITH THOSE USES BEING IN A KEY LOCATION? REALLY THE CONCEPT BEHIND THIS IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES MORE WALKABLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE TO ALL OF THESE PLACES IN MAKING SOME OF THE MOM AND POP BUSINESSES ABLE TO BE IN SOME KEY, UH, LOCATIONS. 
          IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          IT, THE INTENT WAS NOT TO SAY ANY HOUSE THAT WANTS TO TURN ITSELF INTO A RESTAURANT OR A OFFICE CAN DO. 
          SO IT'S MORE ABOUT, OR THERE'S SOME KEY AREAS WHERE IF IT WAS SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHERE IN UNDERSTANDING THAT TWO CREEKS IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS A, UH, MORE OF A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL OR, OR ON THE LAND USE PLAN, WE'RE SHOWING THAT. 
          BUT ARE THERE OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE SHOWING IN YELLOW WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO ALLOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO HAPPEN? SO, AND SO WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT YES, RESTAURANTS WOULD BE GREAT AT SOME KEY INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THE YELLOW. 
          SO BASED ON THAT QUESTION, JUST TO CONTINUE MM-HMM, , UM, THE QUESTION BEING, ARE THERE ANY KEY AREAS WHERE I CAN IDENTIFY? SO FOR ME, THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY KEY KEY AREAS, NOR AM I AWARE OF KEY AREAS NOW THAT THEY'RE POINTING OUT TO ME AT A LATER TIME OR BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THIS HORSESHOE, THEN SO BE IT. 
          UH, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M NOT. 
          SO FOR ME, THAT OFFICE IS NO, 'CAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF ANY KEY AREAS THERE, UH, WHERE THAT WOULD FIT IN. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, I SAID MY PIECE ON, ON THIS, IT REALLY, I JUST WANTED THE CLARITY AROUND IT. 
          UM, YEAH, I AGREE. 
          IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENTIST OFFICE AND HOMES, NO. 
          BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE WE COULD HAVE A RESTAURANT OR A DENTIST OFFICE ON THE SORT OF EDGE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUPPORT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BARRIOS THAT PERHAPS WE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS MAP, CAN I TELL YOU TONIGHT WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT? NO. 
          BUT IF THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS, I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT, MOST NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO SUPPORT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY PERHAPS. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT IT TO BE A BUY RIGHT. 
          UM, UM, SORT OF SITUATION, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CREATING ZONING WITH THIS PLAN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT AT A LATER DATE. 
          UM, SO I GUESS I TALKED MYSELF IN A CIRCLE THERE THAT, YOU KNOW,  POTENTIALLY, YEAH, IT COULD BE A SECONDARY LAND USE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER IT LATER, UH, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHERE TO PUT IT AND UM, AND HOW TO DEFINE IT. 
          AND THAT HELPS SIGNIFICANTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE SOME PARAMETERS? YEAH. 
          DO WE LEAVE IT SO THAT SOMEBODY CAN BRING A PROPOSAL FORWARD YEAH. 
          TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF MAKING THINGS MORE WALKABLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN LOOK AT IT IN A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH ZONING. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE AFTER. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK A CLARIFICATION HELPED A LOT. 
          I MEAN, I WAS REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THE TWO CREEKS 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT ANY OF US WERE ENVISIONING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE, YOUR DESCRIPTION OF A SERVICE, AN OFFICE ON THE EDGE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IF, IF, TO YOUR POINT, SOMEBODY BRINGS A PLAN IN THE FUTURE. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER. 
          SO I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH KEEPING IT IN AS A POTENTIAL SECONDARY LAND USE THAT WE WOULD LATER DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CORCORAN. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. MERRILL. 
          I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE SAID ON THAT PIECE. 
          UM, AND I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST EMPHASIZE TOO, I THINK THE SAME, I MEAN, JUST TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE SAME APPLIES TO REALLY EVERY SECONDARY USE, ESPECIALLY IN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AREAS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GIVING PEOPLE CARTE BLANCHE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, TEAR DOWN, UM, A SECTION OF HOMES ANYWHERE THERE AND CREATE A LITTLE STRIP CENTER. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TELLING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND ANYONE WHO'D BE INTERESTED THAT HEY, THIS COUNCIL IS NOT A HARD NO ON ANY OF THIS STUFF, RIGHT? THE CITY IS OPEN TO HEARING SUGGESTIONS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          AND SO WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, YEAH, THERE'S NO REASON TO SAY, OH, WELL WE WANT A RESTAURANT MAYBE ON THE CORNER, BUT WE DON'T WANT A DENTIST OFFICE. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S ALL, UM, IT'S ALL PRETTY EQUIVALENT IN MY MIND. 
          I THINK FOR THE OTHER TWO ITEMS YOU HAVE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE, ARE YES AND YES. 
          I MEAN, 
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YOU KNOW, ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF DENSITY ALONGSIDE A CORPORATE DEVELOPMENT I THINK IS, IS AN EASY, AN EASY SECONDARY USE THUMBS UP IN MY MIND. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TIM. 
          THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          AND THANK YOU MARK FOR YOUR PRESENTATION HERE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU KNOW THE MAP HAS LOTS OF YELLOW MM-HMM,  AND, UH, THIS TELL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED SOMETHING FOR THEIR FAMILY OR THEMSELVES, THEY HAVE TO DRIVE QUITE A BIT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST THAT DRIVING FIVE MINUTES, 10 MINUTES, NOT A BIG DEAL. 
          BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE, THE WAY THINGS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT IS THAT WALKING FIVE MINUTES, 10 MINUTES, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE FUTURE GENERATION IS LOOKING AT. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL BUILT OUT. 
          SO IF WE HAD TO START THIS THING TODAY, IF EVERYTHING WAS BLANK, I'M SURE WE WOULD BE PUTTING RETAIL, SMALL COFFEE, PLACE OTHER THINGS ALL OVER SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN WALK AND GET THINGS. 
          BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SITUATION. 
          UH, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, TWO CREEK, THIS IS GREAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF SITUATION IN THE, AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO IF WE, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I HEARD A LOT, BUT I LOVE TO HEAR STRAIGHTFORWARD, SIMPLE SENTENCE OR, UH, IF WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD HELP, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE, LIKE, UH, THEY WOULD LOVE TO STAY HERE LONGER AND UH, OUR SCHOOL WILL BE FULL AND UH, THE BUSINESS WILL MOVE HERE. 
          SO, UH, BUT SOMETIMES VISIONING WHAT THE NEXT GENERATION IS THINKING, IT IS DIFFICULT. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN THE DISCONNECT HAPPENED. 
          SO, UH, HOPE I WAS A LITTLE CLEAR, RIGHT? YES. 
          MAKE SENSE? YES. 
          THANK YOU MR. REGER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          A COUPLE OF POINTS. 
          NUMBER ONE, I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET MY OTHER COUNSEL PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH ME TO THE, WHAT WE AFFECTIONATELY CALL THE PANHANDLE, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE THAT WASN'T PUT UP HERE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORNER OF RENTER ROAD AND NORTH STAR MM-HMM, , YOU'VE GOT A GREAT, UM, I GUESS WHAT WE CALL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE THERE, THERE IS DRY CLEANERS, THERE'S RESTAURANTS, THERE'S A DENTIST, THERE IS A HEARING AUDIO CENTER THERE, THERE IS A, UM, UM, PHYSICIAN'S OFFICE THERE. 
          AND IT VERY MUCH WORKS EXTREMELY WELL IN THAT AREA. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT I HEARD COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE IS, IS, IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T RESTRICT THAT. 
          IT'S JUST, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHERE TO PUT IT. 
          SO I WOULD ECHO THAT ARGUMENT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT WORKS REALLY, REALLY WELL. 
          IT WORKS WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, YOU CAN, FROM WHERE I LIVE, I CAN, I CAN WALK THERE IF I WANT TO. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK, I THINK IT DOES. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT, I THINK IT CAN, IT CAN WORK. 
          I DON'T THINK THE, I DON'T THINK THE, THE, WHAT YOU HAVE ON ON THERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          I I, I THINK THIS IS A MUCH BETTER EXAMPLE. 
          IF YOU GO OUT, GO DOWN RENA ROAD TO NORTH STAR AND SEE THAT, SEE THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE AND IT FITS VERY, VERY NICELY INTO THOSE NA INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AREA. 
          I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE AND SEE IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. 
          'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, I GUESS I DON'T WANNA SAY REPEATING, BUT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. 
          CAN YOU GO, I THINK IT'S TWO SLIDES FORWARD. 
          UH, MAYBE ONE BACK. 
          I'M SORRY, GO BACK ONE. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          YEAH, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, AND I WASN'T ON COUNCIL, NOBODY, NOBODY WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN THIS OCCURRED, BUT IS THIS NOT SOMEWHAT, I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT CITY LINE AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT I WANNA GO AWAY FROM THERE FOR A MOMENT. 
          I'VE HEARD A LOT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WASN'T A PART OF COUNCIL, BUT THE WHOLE PALISADES DISCUSSION, AND IS THIS NOT, IS THIS NOT REPRO PROPOSING, WHAT IN ESSENCE WOULD BE PALISADES? AGAIN, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA WAS IF I UNDERSTOOD, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING FOR CLARITY HERE, WAS THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS, UM, THERE WAS GONNA BE LIKE A MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED THAT WAS GONNA BE IN THERE. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM WHAT I, FROM WHAT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD AND WHAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, HAD GREAT ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT'S BEING SHOWN HERE? AND IF SO, I WOULD JUST ASK THE QUESTION. 
          ARE WE SURE WE'VE HEARD ALL THE INPUT ON THAT? IS THAT, AM I MAKING SENSE WHAT I'M ASKING? SO I I I THINK IT'S SIMILAR. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S, 
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IT'S EXACT, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND THE, IN THIS CASE THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THE QUESTION IS, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TO BE A BUFFER OR TRANSITION TO PROBABLY TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH YOU HAD AT PALISADES WAS MORE COMMERCIAL CLASS AND, AND, AND VISION AND ENTITLED FOR, UH, CLASS A COMMERCIAL AS HIGH AS 20 STORIES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY 1500 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION THERE WAS IS A HUNDRED SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND APPROPRIATE BUFFER BETWEEN AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND A THOUSAND APARTMENTS AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF, OF OFFICE. 
          AND SO I, I THINK THE QUESTION OF IS IT A TRANSITION, UH, TRUE, BUT HERE YOU'RE TRANSITIONING FROM SOMETHING MUCH LESS DENSE, UM, TO, TO RESIDENT TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S SIMILAR. 
          IT'S A VERY, VERY FAIR QUESTION, VERY GOOD ANALOGY. 
          BUT I, I DO THINK FUNDAMENTALLY THE QUESTION IS DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WHAT ARE YOU TRANSITIONING TO OR WHAT ARE YOU TRANSITIONING FROM, UH, TO SINGLE FAMILY? AND IT'S QUITE, QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I JUST, I, I WASN'T CLEAR IN MY MIND, SO I THOUGHT, WELL, I BETTER EXPRESS IT JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I DON'T, BUT THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT PALISADES WAS, WAS, WAS DESCRIBED AS THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE SINK FAMILY HOME. 
          SO YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT GIVES, THAT GIVES ME PAUSE BASED ON KIND OF DON'S FINAL, FINAL POINT ON THAT. 
          SO I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA BE SEEN AS WE'RE LIMITING, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH TO CPC AND CITY COUNCIL IF, IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN. 
          'CAUSE THAT, AND I REALIZE THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHTS AROUND THAT, NOT BECAUSE OF, BUT FOR A LOT OF OTHER REASONS AS WELL AND DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I, I JUST KNOW I'VE, I'VE HEARD IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ESPECIALLY FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT THERE OFF OF CUSTER AND, AND LIVE IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO NO, IT'S NOT CUSTER, I'M SORRY, IT'S ALMA, ALMA, SORRY. 
          IT'S COLLINS. 
          COLLINS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I KNEW IT STARTED WITH C SAID THE WRONG IF WRONG ROAD. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CAUTION IS AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I'M, I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO PUTTING IT DOWN AS A SECONDARY LAND USE AND ALLOWING IT TO BE, I THINK YOU PUT IT AS A CHECK, JUST WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT COGNIZANT IN OUR MINDS, IF, IF THAT EVER GOT PROPOSED THAT WE TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT AND REALLY GET A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT INTO IT BEFORE WE, WE'D MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND COUNCILMAN HURA, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A ZONING APPLICATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ALL OF THESE ARE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO TAKE, TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT WANNA DO SOMETHING WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT'S EITHER SITTING THERE VACANT OR IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS POINTS 'EM IN A DIRECTION. 
          BUT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE ULTIMATE SAY OVER WHETHER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE THE PALISADES COULD OCCUR. 
          YEAH, NO, NO. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND, I JUST, I, I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, CHUCK MARK, THAT MEANS I CAN JUST GO IN WITH NO, NO MAJOR OBSTACLE. 
          JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH, MS. JUSTICE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SORRY, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GO QUESTION BY QUESTION, SO I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS ON THE, THE OTHERS. 
          UM, I, I DISAGREE WITH COUNCILMAN RADER. 
          I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT, UM, TOWN HOMES, UH, AND EVEN DETACHED LIKE YOU HAVE IT AT, UH, CITY LINE, I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY SYMBIOTIC. 
          I THINK THAT THOSE GO TOGETHER, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE HOMES SUPPORT THE, THE, THE RETAIL AND AS YOU'VE SAID, THEY ACT AS A BUFFER. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY SYMBIOTIC USE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THAT ONE PROJECT, BUT I, IN MY MIND, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A SECONDARY USE THAT WE SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED. 
          I THINK MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, DON'T THINK THEY WANNA GO LIVE IN A TOWN HOME NEXT TO A HOME GOODS OR, UH, WHOLE FOODS. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TOO, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO WALK TO ALL OF THOSE SERVICES AS COUNCILMAN, UM, SHILL POINTED OUT EARLIER. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY SYMBIOTIC USE. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE INCLUDED AS AN OPTION. 
          AND THEN ON THE INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR SOME OF THIS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE WAS A, A DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT ABOUT TINY HOMES IN THE IQ AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT PLACE, UM, TO TALK ABOUT NOT JUST MULTI-FAMILY USES, BUT POTENTIALLY SOME OF THIS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSE USE TO, WE WANT ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BUNGALOW COURTS IN THERE, SIMILAR TO A TINY HOME OR, OR COURTYARD HOUSING OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS TO, TO SORT OF BREAK UP THE, THE WAREHOUSING. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO SORT OF TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AS WELL. 
          CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE THING? YES. 
          UH, I'M NOT DISAGREEING, I'M NOT SAYING I'M OPPOSED TO THAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE. 
          WHAT ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT I KNOW IT CAME UP IN THE PAST AND IT'S JUST A CAUTIONARY NOTE. 
          I AGREE. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD BUFFER. 
          I LIKE 
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THE BUFFER. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE POINT WHEN YOU SAID YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, I, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU. 
          I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. 
          I JUST WANT, I JUST WANTED THAT OUT THERE THAT SOMEONE COULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, IS THAT PALISADES 2.0? SO THAT WAS MY POINT. 
          THAT WAS WHY I BRING IT. 
          WE'RE IN VIOLENT AGREEMENT ON IT, HUH? I'M SORRY. 
          WE'RE IN VIOLENT AGREEMENT ON THAT. 
          YEAH, . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          THANK MR. BARRIOS. 
          UM, SO WE GOT THAT ON RECORD, RIGHT? HUTCH WRITER IS GOOD WITH PALISADES 2.0, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? NO, THAT'S NOT, NO, NO. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN BARRY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. 
          UH, I AM JOKING, I'M JOKING. 
          I, I DO. 
          IN REGARDS TO THE SECOND AND THIRD POINT HERE FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, I 100% AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN JUSTICE, UM, ON BOTH THE, THE COMMITTEE COMMERCIAL AND THE INNOVATION INDUSTRIAL. 
          AND SHE SAID IT MUCH BETTER, UH, THAN I EVER COULD. 
          SO THAT'S THAT. 
          AS FAR AS THE OFFICE AND ABLE TO GO BACK TO THAT ONE, I THINK THAT I'M, I'M A LITTLE CAUTIOUS ON THAT, NOT BECAUSE I SEE WHERE IT COULD WORK, LIKE MAYBE IN SOME OF OUR LARGER FEEDER ROADS, UM, DOWN THE ROAD AS, UH, AS DENSITY HAPPENS MORE IN OUR CITY, WOULD IT BE SOMETHING HAP HAPPEN NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER? I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING, SO THAT'S WHY I'M CAUTIOUS. 
          I, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE WHERE MAYBE AN OLD HOUSE DOWN DUMONT CAN TURN INTO A COFFEE SHOP SOMEDAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, I'M THINKING OF MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT I, I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING DOWN THE ROAD. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE AS A CITY OR THERE YET. 
          SO IF WE DO GO THERE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE I THINK VERY SPECIFIC AND LIMITED GUIDELINES, I THINK AND TICKETED CASE BY CASE, NOT AS A SECONDARY BY RIGHT USE. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET US GET THERE SOMEDAY. 
          AND I'M SURE THAT PERHAPS IN MY LIFETIME WE WILL, UH, PERHAPS NOT, BUT UM, BUT I DON'T THINK BY RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT TIME FOR THAT BY, RIGHT. 
          MR. SAM SHUL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, SLIDE 25? THIS? YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS ONE, I GUESS THIS IS 28. 
          UH, PROBABLY NEED A NEW GLASS. 
          ANYWAY. 
          UH, NOW THE QUESTION IS BEFORE I MAKE, MAKE MY QUESTION, I, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY PUSH PEOPLE TO OPEN A BUSINESS DENTIST OFFICE OR MEDICAL OTHER OFFICE. 
          YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ECONOMIES. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT MARKET WORKS FOR THEM, THEY'LL COME AND UH, THERE HAVE TO BE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, PATIENTS OUT THERE TO SERVE THEM. 
          THAT'S WHY WE DON'T SEE THAT MUCH, UH, PEDIATRIC, UH, DOCTORS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE GROWN UP SO THEY HAVE MORE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO WE HAVE TO DRIVE FAR TO GO TAKE THE KIDS TO THE DOCTORS. 
          SO I WAS ASKING ONE OF THE DOCTOR, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU DON'T HAVE OFFICE IN RICHARDSON IN THIS SITE? AND SHE SAID, THERE IS NOT MUCH KIDS OUT THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE POINT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, WHY EVEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUFFER. 
          I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE BUFFER ALL THE TIME? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE SOME BUSINESS OUT THERE AND WITHOUT HAVING ENOUGH ENOUGH RESIDENCE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY PROBABLY YOU WOULD NEED MORE DENSE NEXT TO SOME, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY. 
          YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME, SOME DENSE AREA, BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT BUFFER ALL AROUND THE BUSINESS. 
          IT, YOU CAN, ONCE YOU HAVE THE ENOUGH DENSITY THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE BUSINESS, THAT WILL WORK THAT WAY. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY LIKE HAVING, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SHOP IS MUCH EASIER TO SERVE LIKE A SMALL COFFEE SHOP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY'LL DO PRETTY GOOD JOB BUSINESS, UH, PEOPLE WOULD LOVE IT. 
          DENTIST OFFICE EVEN THERE OPEN, THEY WOULD PROBABLY OPEN IN ONE AREA, BUT NOT OTHER AREA BECAUSE NOT MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING THERE EVERY DAY, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE SERVICE. 
          SO THOSE, TO ME, I THINK THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MATTER REALLY. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY FORCE THEM TO OPEN DENTIST OFFICE, SMALL OFFICE EVERYWHERE. 
          THIS WOULD BE KEY LOCATION. 
          SO WE HAVE LOTS OF YELLOW AND IF, IF SOMEHOW WE CAN OPEN UP SOME ROOM FOR SOMEONE TO BUILD, DOUBLE UP SOMETHING, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR US BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE VACANT LAND. 
          UH, BUT HOW YOU DO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE, I WOULD KNOW SUCH TRICK. 
          IT IS VERY CHALLENGING, UH, BECAUSE IT CAN REBUILD, YOU KNOW, THE STREET THAT'S BEEN THERE LIKE 60 YEARS. 
          IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, WE DESIGN IT, WE FIX IT, WE UPDATE IT 
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MUCH EASIER BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          BUT CHANGING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS A CHALLENGING. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN LET SOMEONE BUILD WITH INCREMENTS, SLOWLY, SLOWLY, HAVING A BIGGER PICTURE IN IN MIND, LIKE A LEGO PIECE, THIS BY PIECE BUILD SOMEONE THAT WOULD PROBABLY, UH, HELP, YOU KNOW, REBUILD THIS CITY MUCH DIFFERENT WAY. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER TOPICS, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNSEL, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE NEXT ITEM, SIR? SURE, SURE. 
          AND JUST, JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT, WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THE COMMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP US SET THE BAR WHERE, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR RICHARDSON. 
          UM, THROUGH THE YEARS, OUR APPROACH HAS EVOLVED. 
          YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON A LAND USE PLAN, WE WOULD FIND AN INTERSECTION WITH THE FOUR CORNERS AND WE WOULD SHOW RETAIL ON ALL FOUR CORNERS. 
          AND 20 YEARS LATER, ONE OF THOSE CORNERS HAD RETAIL AND THE OTHER THREE DIDN'T. 
          AND SO REALLY I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE REALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS TO WHY THIS FLEXIBLE APPROACH, WHY WE'RE SUGGESTING IT BY BEING FLEXIBLE AND SAYING WE WANT THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE WALKABLE. 
          WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO A BUSINESS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, WE WANT PLACES FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. 
          UM, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE RIGHT LOCATION IS BECAUSE WE MAY SHOW IT ON A MAP. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING, YEAH, YOU OUGHT TO ENTITLE IT THERE. 
          AND A DEVELOPER'S ALWAYS GONNA COME WITH THE OPPOSITE CORNER. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, HOW DO WE CREATE FLEXIBILITY TO WHERE YOU CAN HAVE GOOD PROJECTS COME FORWARD AND EVALUATE THEM ON THEIR MERITS? SO, BUT WE APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT GAVE US SOME GOOD DIRECTION FOR WHERE WE NEED TO GO WITH THIS. 
          SO THE NEXT SET OF SLIDES, UH, IS RELATED TO MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. 
          UH, SO, UH, AGAIN, LIKE THE PREVIOUS, UH, THE, THE LAND USE CHANGES IN RICHARDSON ARE PRIMARILY GOING TO BE CHANGES IN THE REINVESTMENT AREAS OR THROUGH POTENTIAL, UH, CHANGES BY ALLOWING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IN SOME AREAS, OR ALLOWING THE SECONDARY PLACE TYPES, UH, WITHIN THE PRIMARY OR SECONDARY USES WITHIN THE PRIMARY PLACE TYPE. 
          SO THIS IS THAT SECOND OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WANTING TO SEE MORE OF THE QUOTE, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. 
          UH, SO WE HAD A, A EXERCISE AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD PREVIOUS EXERCISES THAT WE BUILT UPON FOR THIS ROUND, UH, UH, GATHERING, UH, INFORMATION ON WHAT TYPES OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR EACH PLACE TYPE. 
          UH, PARTICIPANTS WERE ASKED TO, UH, SELECT WHETHER THEY AGREED WERE NEUTRAL OR DISAGREED WITH THE PROPOSED MISSING MIDDLE, UH, HOUSING TYPE, AND THE OPTIONS UTILIZED THE ACTIVITY. 
          UH, UH, THE, THE OPTIONS THAT WE PROVIDED WERE BASED UPON WHAT WE HAD HEARD DURING COMMITTEE SUMMIT, TWO COUNCIL FEEDBACK, AND WE ALSO HAD A APRIL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE LEADERSHIP FROM EACH OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, TO WHERE WE UTILIZE THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO REALLY START TO REFINE SOME OF THE DIRECTION ON MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. 
          SO, A REMINDER OF WHAT IS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. 
          IT, IT RANGES FROM DUPLEX TO FOURPLEX OR TOWN HOME COURTYARD BUILDINGS. 
          THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'VE TEED UP EVERY ONE OF THESE MISSING MIDDLE TYPES IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE WERE CLEARLY SOME THAT WERE MORE PREFERRED THAN OTHERS. 
          UH, AND SO TO SET THE BAR FOR RICHARDSON, WE TRIED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE THAT WERE THE MOST PREFERRED. 
          UM, AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP, WE HAD AN EDUCATIONAL SESSION AND THEN A DISCUSSION HELD WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS. 
          IT WAS ON APRIL 16TH, THERE WERE 100 REPRESENTATIVES FROM 33 NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND WHAT WE DID IS WE HAD VISUAL PREFERENCE SURVEYS RELATED TO THE DIFFERENT MISSING MIDDLE, UH, UH, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES. 
          UH, THE VISUAL PREFERENCE SURVEYS YOU'LL SEE SUMMARIZED IN THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES. 
          BUT THEN AT EACH TABLE WE HAD SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THROUGH THE, UH, VISUAL PREFERENCE SURVEY, THERE WAS JUST GENERAL SUPPORT FOR MOST, MANY MI MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES WITH A VARIATION ON HOUSING DESIGN. 
          UH, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITHIN SOME OF THE GROUP DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO YOU SEE THE TWO BOXES HERE ON THE LEFT, THERE WAS A HIGH SUPPORT FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AS A COMPONENT OF RICHARDSON'S HOUSING STRATEGY. 
          UH, BUT IN THE TABLE CONSENSUS, UH, IT WAS A 92% SUPPORT, BUT, UH, IT WAS A 79% SUPPORT INDIVIDUALLY. 
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UH, SO WHAT THAT MEANT IS THAT AS PEOPLE GOT AROUND AND STARTED DISCUSSING THINGS AT TABLES, UH, SOMETIMES THEY WENT MORE WITH THE FLOW OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE AT THEIR TABLE WERE SAYING. 
          BUT WHEN WE ASKED THEM INDIVIDUALLY, UH, THERE WASN'T AS MUCH SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS THAT WERE IN THIS MEETING. 
          UH, THE SECOND, UH, WAS THAT THERE WAS MUCH LESS SUPPORT FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE HEARD CLEARLY THAT THIS OUGHT TO BE A PART OF RICHARDSON'S PLAN MOVING FORWARD, AND WE NEED IT, BUT NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE WE'RE ON HERE, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO SET THE BAR RIGHT FOR RICHARDSON. 
          SO THE TABLE CONSENSUS SUPPORT WAS 38%, AND INDIVIDUAL SUPPORT WAS 24. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THAT AND TEED IT UP TO WHERE WE COULD SAY, OKAY, YOU SEE WHERE ALL OF THE, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES ARE. 
          UH, WE PROVIDED THAT IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, IN THE, IN THE ONLINE INPUT AND SAID, NOW TELL US ABOUT THE VARIOUS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT YOUR SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN GENERAL, WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE, SHOULD IT BE LOOKED AT? AGAIN, NOT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. 
          IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO COME FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET IT APPROVED. 
          SO AS WE GO FORWARD, WE USED A VERY SIMILAR, UH, APPROACH. 
          IN THIS CASE, IF IT'S RECOMMENDED, IT HAS A CHECKPOINT BY IT, CHECK MARK. 
          IF IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED IN X, GENERALLY, UH, THE RESPONSES, THE ONES THAT WE ASKED YOU TO WEIGH IN ON, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING 50 50 AS WE PUT ALL OF THE RESULTS TOGETHER FOR ALL FROM ALL OF THE FORUMS THAT WE HAD. 
          UH, SO, UM, AS WE LOOK AT IT, THIS IS THAT OVERVIEW CHART. 
          AND SO WHERE WE HAD CLEAR DIRECTION THAT IT WAS SUPPORTED, UH, IT HAS A CHECK MARK IN THE BOX, CLEAR DIRECTION THAT IT WAS NOT SUPPORTED. 
          WE HAVE AN X MARK. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, THE PLACE TYPES ARE ACROSS THE TOP. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT, UH, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL. 
          UH, SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, GENERALLY, UH, UH, ADUS WERE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, WE ASKED THE QUESTION IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS ABOUT SHOULD ADU BE, UH, ALLOWED IN COMPACT RESIDENTIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE? AND THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY SAID NO, BUT THE COMMENTS WE WERE HEARING MADE PERFECT SENSE. 
          THEY WERE SAYING, WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ROOM ON THE PROPERTY FOR IT. 
          WE THINK THE PROPERTIES THAT REALLY HAVE THE ROOM FOR THAT ARE GONNA BE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. 
          SO, UH, DO YOU PREFER MAYOR, THAT I GO THROUGH, TALK ABOUT THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR GO THROUGH ALL FOUR OF THEM? I CAN GO THROUGH ALL FOUR AGAIN, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN PICK THE ONES THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          GO THROUGH ALL FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE IS FOURPLEX HOUSING. 
          AND THESE WERE THE IMAGES THAT WE SHOWED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKSHOP WITH THE LEADERSHIP. 
          UH, SO WE'VE GOT A DEFINITION OF THE FOURPLEX HOUSING, UH, AND THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE MIXED USE PLACE TYPE. 
          SO AS YOU'RE IN A MIXED USE AREA, SHOULD THIS TYPE OF, UH, UH, FOURPLEX BE ALLOWED AS A PART OF THE MIXED USE, UH, ENVIRONMENT. 
          THE SECOND WAS MULTIPLEX HOUSING. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S MULTIPLE UNITS. 
          IN SOME CASES. 
          THE MODERN VERSION OF THIS IS, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG HOUSE THAT HAS MULTIPLE UNITS IN IT. 
          UM, BUT THE QUESTION WAS, SHOULD IT BE ALLOWED IN COMPACT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL INNOVATION INDUSTRY AND REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT PLACE TYPES? BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE THERE WAS A BIT OF A SPLIT. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS TOWN HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD SURFACE, AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPES. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE THREE, AND I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          LET YOU HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UH, ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IT SAYS THE, UH, THE CONSULTANT TEAM, UM, WELL, FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, IF IT'S 52% OR MORE, YES. 
          RESPONSES BE INCLUDED AS ALLOWED FOR THOSE PLACE TYPES. 
          AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IT'S ALLOWED. 
          SO, SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED TO SUGGEST IS WE, WE WILL GET INTO THE NUANCES, WHETHER IT'S ALLOWED OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE AS, AS YOU GO INTO REZONING. 
          IT MAY BE THAT IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUIRED OR SOMETHING, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BECOME A DISCUSSION THAT TAKES PLACE AS A PART OF THE ZONING LETTER. 
          I, I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A STRONG WORD TO SAY IT'S ALLOWED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UNDERSTOOD FOR THE MISS MISSING MENTAL HOUSING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, I, AM I UNDER, I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH BUNGALOW COURTS, UM, BECAUSE 
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THEY ARE DETACHED HOMES, BUT SMALLER LOTS. 
          MM-HMM, , I THINK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, A STRONG DESIRE TO PROTECT THAT DETACHED CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL ZONE. 
          SO, UH, I, I HAD PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH DUPLEXES AND ADUS, AND SO THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR ME THAT BOTH OF THE ADUS AND DUPLEXES WERE, IN A SENSE, BE ALLOWED AS A STRATEGIC PLAN, KNOWING YOU STILL HAVE TO GET MAYBE A ZONING APPROVAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I, I THINK THOSE, THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE WITH ADUS AND, UH, INFRINGING ON PEOPLE'S RIGHTS, WHY THEY BOUGHT INTO A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, PARKING, MAYBE INSTITUTIONAL OWNERSHIP COMING IN AND CONVERTING, UH, THOSE, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, MULTIPLEX, I, I, I, I THINK MAYBE, UM, THERE'S JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EXACTLY THAT IS. 
          UM, AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GOT IT IN SEVERAL PLACES. 
          I, I, I CAN SEE MAYBE WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA FIT IN COMPACT RESIDENTIAL, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL OR INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY POTENTIALLY COULD FIT AS A SORT OF A REDEVELOPMENT, UH, SCENARIO, UH, REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT MAYBE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK OF THAT AS BEING MORE MULTIFAMILY IS IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE UP A PLACE FOR HIGH-RISE OFFICE BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING OF, OF VERY HIGH DENSITY AND MAYBE MULTI, UH, MULTIPLEX JUST ISN'T DENSE ENOUGH FOR REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER PURDY, THANK YOU. 
          I THINK I WANT TO SAY FIRST THAT BRING THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TO YALE PARK. 
          UH, I WASN'T A PART OF THAT LEADERSHIP MEETING, BUT I'M THE PRESIDENT. 
          I THINK WE WANT TO SEE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD THE HOUSE I LIVE IN TODAY IF I WAS GOING TO TRY TO LIVE IN YALE PARK. 
          SO POTENTIALLY TOWN HOMES, MULTIPLEX LIVE WORK, YOU KNOW, FOURPLEX, THESE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BECOME A YALE PARK RESIDENT OVER TIME, AND WE JUST DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WAY TO GET IN BEING A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME, BECAUSE THE PRICE POINT ON THAT IS JUST CRAZY AT THE MOMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO. 
          YEAH, SO, UH, I KNOW YOUR CONCERN JUST TO KIND OF MAYBE OFFSET YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, I THINK WE HAVE ALL THOSE IN CANYON CREEK, UM, AND IT CERTAINLY HASN'T SUBMARINE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT. 
          THERE'S DEFINITELY DUPLEXES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THAT NORTH SIDE NEAR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY IN TWO CREEKS, THERE'S TOWN HOMES AND THERE'S THE, WAS IT THE CROWN I THINK IT'S CALLED, WHERE THERE'S A BUNCH OF PATIO HOMES, ESSENTIALLY. 
          UM, SO I, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT NECESSARILY, UH, KILLS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK, UH, THE OTHER THING ABOUT TWO CR, UM, CANYON CREEK IS I THINK IT CAME ABOUT ORGANICALLY. 
          IT WASN'T LIKE SOMEBODY JUST TRIED TO FORCE IT IN THERE. 
          SO AGAIN, ALL THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ZONING AND, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, BECAUSE I THINK IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, TWO CREEKS, THEN YOU HAVE SOME DUPLEXES AND SOME VARIETY THERE OF, OF HOUSING, AND THEN KIND OF MORE SINGLE FAMILY AS YOU MOVE EAST TOWARDS COLLINS. 
          SO I, I THINK I, I THINK, I'M NOT SURE IT, IT KIND OF DOES THAT, BUT I MEAN, I GET YOUR POINT. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY, I WOULD, I WOULD PUT SOME LIMITS ON IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S AN OFFSET TO THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, BACK TO YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT COUNSEL, MS. JUSTICE, WANNA HIT YOUR LIGHT AGAIN? I WILL, I WILL. 
          UM, ECHO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO SAID IN THE CHERYL PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE DUPLEXES AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE GREAT. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY WERE THERE, UH, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          UM, AND SO I, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, TO COMMISSIONER PURDY'S POINT, A GREAT ENTRY POINT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE RENTING FOR, I DUNNO, 2020 200, UH, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN AN APARTMENT THESE DAYS. 
          AND IT'S A GREAT ENTRYWAY INTO A REALLY GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO RENT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, FOUR OR 5,000 IS WHAT I SAW RECENTLY, UM, IN SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO IT'S A GREAT 
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ENTRY POINT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO AFFORD. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THEY JUST SORT OF SEAMLESSLY FIT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT THEY'RE A, A GREAT USE, UM, AND TOWN, I MEAN, TOWN HOMES COULD BE THE SAME WAY. 
          I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR ME TO ENVISION THEM, I GUESS, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, I THINK SORT OF MAYBE, UM, BUFFERING A NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I SURE, WHY NOT? WHY COULDN'T THAT BE AN ISSUE INTO A SINGLE FA UH, FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD OR A USE THAT WE AT LEAST, UM, HAVE AS A CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND THEN MULTIPLEXES, I THINK THAT THOSE MAKE SENSE. 
          AND EVEN IN COMPACT RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE TALKING THERE ABOUT PUTTING TOWN HOMES AND, UH, FOURPLEXES. 
          AND SO THESE ARE BASICALLY JUST LARGER ATTACHED TOWN HOMES, RIGHT? THEY'RE LIKE THREE TO FOUR TIMES, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE THREE TO FOUR TIMES THE SIZE OF A REGULAR ATTACHED SORT OF TOWN HOME SITUATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, UM, SAME THING WITH FOURPLEXES. 
          UM, JUST SORT OF QUICKLY LOOKING OVER THIS, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING ANYTHING HERE WHERE THAT SORT OF TAKES ME BACK, UM, AS A POTENTIAL USE THAT WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT WANNA INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE POINTS THAT YOU'RE ASKING US QUESTIONS ABOUT. 
          UM, SO AS AN INITIAL SORT OF GLANCE OVER THIS, I THINK THESE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING US ABOUT, MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE AS OPTIONS POTENTIALLY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. TAMIR. 
          WELL, UH, ALL THOSE OPTIONS ARE GOOD. 
          IT DEPENDS ON LOCATION, UH, THE LAND SIZE AND ALL THIS. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS LIKE HAVING THE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HERE, BUT THAT BAR IS CHANGING EVERY DAY. 
          UH, THE AFFORDABILITY, WHATEVER I UNDERSTOOD LAST YEAR, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT. 
          WHAT'S TODAY, WHATEVER I THOUGHT TWO YEARS AGO IS MUCH DIFFERENT LAST YEAR EVEN SO, UH, BUT ABSOLUTELY WE, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS. 
          NOW THAT'S A GREAT THINGS. 
          THIS DEFINITELY WILL HELP IN THE FUTURE. 
          I, I HEAR LOTS OF GOOD THING ABOUT ALL THE OPTIONS AND I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC. 
          BUT YES, I DO LIKE ALL THIS OPTION, UH, MULTIPLEX, THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING, I KNOW THAT THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL THAT WE USE HERE IS DIFFERENT. 
          UH, IF IT WAS MORE LIKE A CONCRETE STRUCTURES, UH, IT COULD GET REALLY BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE AND UH, UH, AND YOU COULD GO DEFINITELY MUCH MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN UNITS IN A MULTI-UNIT TOGETHER THOSE NIGHTS. 
          UH, I'VE SEEN THAT MANY OF THOSE, UH, BUT THAT WOULD NOT PROBABLY, THAT MUCH EFFORT LEVEL ON THIS. 
          THE, THE PRACTICE OF BUILDING CONSTRUCTION WITH CONCRETE MATERIAL IS MORE COMMON THEN IT'S GONNA BE MUCH CHEAPER AND DURABLE. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THIS, ALL THE OPTIONS ARE PRETTY MUCH APPROPRIATE FOR US. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE NEWER NEIGHBORHOOD PROBABLY WOULD NOT LIKE THAT. 
          BUT WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS CHANGE SLOWLY, UH, THE NEW GENERATION, THEY ALWAYS ACCEPT SOMETHING NEW. 
          BUT IF SOMEONE USED TO SEE SOMETHING FOR 50 YEARS, UH, THEY HAVE HARD TIME ACCEPTING THE NEW ONE. 
          I'M YOUR NEW PERSON HERE, SO I KNOW THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SEE ME, THEY SMILE. 
          SOMETIMES THEY SWALLOW THEIR BREATH. 
          SO I CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT THINGS OVERALL, RICHARD IS ABSOLUTELY, I THINK ALL THIS OPTION IS ARE GREAT. 
          WE'RE HEADING TO THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, IN SHORT, EVERYTHING UNDER COMPACT RESIDENTIAL AND TO THE RIGHT, ALL THOSE ORANGE SPOTS, CHECK FOR ME. 
          UM, THE, THE UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL ADUS CAN BE A GREAT THING. 
          A FEW YEARS AGO, UM, MY MOTHER MOVED IN WITH US WHEN SHE MOVED INTO NORTH TEXAS. 
          I WISH I HAD A BACKYARD THE SIZE FOR AN A DU, AND I WISH WE COULD HAVE AN A DU BECAUSE I THINK AS SOMEBODY WHO'S AGING, SHE WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE INDEPENDENCE IF SHE WERE IN THAT KIND OF SITUATION. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DESIRE FOR ADUS, UM, IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          UM, DUPLEXES FIT GRADE, THE ONLY ONE I AM CAUTIOUS ABOUT IS TOWN HOMES, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          I DUNNO WHO SAID THAT. 
          I THINK SHOULD, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE MAY HAVE SAID THAT. 
          UM, I, I WILL SAY RECENTLY MY WIFE AND I WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION THREE DOORS DOWN. 
          UM, A COUPLE JUST PASSED AWAY WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS OF EACH OTHER, AND THE PROPERTY WENT UP FOR SALE AND IT WAS, NEEDED A LOT OF LOVE. 
          AND WE WERE LIKE, OH, GREAT. 
          ARE THEY GONNA TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD ONE OF THESE MCMANSIONS OR ARE THEY GONNA, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA MAKE IT A RENTAL? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH IT? AND I COULD SEE IT WAS A NICE CORNER LOT RIGHT 
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BY THE PARK. 
          AND I COULD SEE WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR TOWN HOMES. 
          UH, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, SOME OF THESE OLDER HOMES THAT SOMETIMES MORE, UH, A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE TO JUST TEAR 'EM DOWN AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW THAN IT IS TO REHAB WHAT'S THERE. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK A TOWN HOME MIGHT, BUT I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, SO I'M CAUTIOUS ON THAT. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE BECOMES A GREEN CHECK. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TOWN HOMES MAY WORK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND THE PARAMETERS OR HOW THAT WOULD WORK AND IF IT WOULD WORK JUST 'CAUSE I GUESS MAYBE I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE I COMMENT ON THIS, WE WE'RE, THE QUESTION IS, IS WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW TO RETROFIT OR MODIFY OR POTENTIAL CHANGE IN A EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, CORRECT? EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I, UM, 'CAUSE I MEAN, I HAD SOME OTHER COMMENTS I WANTED TO MAKE ON THE, UM, THE, THE GARDEN OR THE COURTYARD, UH, HOUSING. 
          BUT, UM, I TOO HAVE DUPLEXES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WHEN THAT SECTION WAS BUILT BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, THE BUILDER DECIDED TO MAKE, UH, ONE OF THE STREETS DUPLEXES. 
          ALTHOUGH WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, IT'S HARD TO TELL THAT THEY ARE DUPLEXES. 
          THEY LOOK LIKE A REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT THEY ARE DUPLEXES. 
          AND SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, CAN LOOK LIKE DUPLEXES. 
          I THINK POTENTIAL INTEGRATION INTO AN, AN OLDER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FOR INFRASTRUCTURE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT RETROFIT. 
          BUT I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA DETERMINE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HOUSE, AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONVERTED AND, AND DO YOU WANT THIS SPORADICALLY PLACED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR IN, IN MY CASE, THEY DEDICATED A, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED BLOCK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. 
          I DO NOT KNOW THE REASON WHY, UM, BUT IT WORKED. 
          AND IT ALLOWS PEOPLE FOR, WELL, THOSE HAVE BECOME RENTALS NOW. 
          THEY WERE OWNED AT ONE TIME, BUT THEY ARE, UH, CONSIDERED RENTALS AND, AND THEY ARE MUCH LESS AND, UM, IN VALUE AS FAR AS A MONTHLY RENTAL EXPENDITURE GOES. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE CONVERSION OVER TO SEMI BUNGALOW HOMES OR RETROFITTING, UM, A COURTYARD ENVIRONMENT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THE COURTYARD HOUSING WOULD BE GOOD FOR REDEVELOPMENT, UH, INTO A BUILDING THAT COULD CREATE EITHER A BUNGALOW STYLE OR COURTYARD HOUSING APPROACH. 
          BECAUSE THAT FACT, YOU CAN RETROFIT THOSE, YOU CAN SAW CUT THE BRICK, THE FACADE, AND YOU COULD TURN IT INTO A NICELY DESIGNED, UM, BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT I DO SUPPORT DUPLEXES, UH, FOURPLEXES BUNGALOW TOWN HOMES. 
          AND AGAIN, TOWN HOMES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT BE ODD, BUT I THINK, UH, DEPENDING ON THE NE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD FACES A MAIN ARTERY, UH, POTEN AND THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT, POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE RETROFITTED OR A REBUILD ALONG THE EDGE. 
          AND I GUESS WE COULD CALL THAT A BUFFER, NOT REALLY, BUT SORT OF A BUFFER. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DO SUPPORT THOSE AND I REALLY LOVE THE DIRECTION OF MOVING THIS, UH, MOVING THIS DIRECTION FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT BECAUSE IT DOES ALLOW FOR MENTAL HOUSING. 
          UM, AND IT ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY THROUGHOUT RICHARDSON, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO CHOOSE ANYWHERE IN RICHARDSON AND SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL THIS MY TINY HOME COMMUNITY, OR I'M GONNA HAVE THIS AS MY, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICAL, UM, OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AREA. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO INTEGRATE THESE AND, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO EVALUATE IT PER NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE WHAT, WHAT BEST FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT I DO SUPPORT THESE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HUTCH. 
          RUDDER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THEN I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS. 
          SO DON, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN OUR ZONING, THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF HOAS THAT HAVE SPECIFICALLY OUTLAWED IN THEIR, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THEIR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, ADU, I KNOW THAT THERE'S QUITE A FEW, UM, THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE PUT A BIG, YOU KNOW, RED X ON 
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THAT. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT, DO THE HOAS HAVE THE, THE AUTHORITY OVER THAT? DO THE, THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DO WE, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT ALL LAY OUT? BECAUSE THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A LIMITING FACTOR THAT WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, IF IN FACT, THE HOA CAN NIX THEM WITHOUT EVER BEING DISCUSSED AT OUR, AT OUR LEVEL. 
          SURE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN WOULD KINDA SET THE VISION IF YOU DID ENTITLE IT AND MAKE IT BY RIGHT. 
          WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT. 
          UM, I'M NOT, I'M, I THINK THE HOA IN THEIR DEED OR THE COVENANT RESTRICTION COULD STILL BAN ADUS, FOR INSTANCE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING, UH, I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T ALLOW THINGS THAT WE ALLOW BY RIGHT. 
          TODAY, UM, IN OUR CZO AND IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT'S CHANGED ON A DU SPECIFICALLY, OR, OR, OR MIDDLE MISSING HOUSING. 
          SO IF AN HO A'S DEED OR GOVERNOR RESTRICTIONS STILL, UM, PROHIBITED THAT THEN THAT WOULD BE IN, THAT WOULD BE, UM, THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR RIGHT TO ENFORCE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WOULDN'T ENFORCE IT. 
          THEY WOULD ENFORCE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I, THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS, I GUESS THAT'S THE ONE CAVEAT ON ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE HOAS HAVE THAT IN THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS TO BE ABLE TO, TO BLOCK THAT. 
          BUT OVERALL, I, I WOULD, I WOULD CONCUR WITH WHAT I'VE, I'VE WHAT OTHERS HAVE ALREADY STATED. 
          SO, UH, ABOUT THE CHECK MARKS, I HAVE SEEN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE TOWN HOMES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, I'VE SEEN WHERE THE TOWN HOMES, WHEN IT'S DONE RIGHT, THEY, THEY FIT IN VERY NICELY. 
          AND IN SOME CASES YOU'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF IT'S A TOWN HOME OR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK IT CAN BE DONE VERY NICELY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A, IT'D BE A CHECK MARK FOR ME, UM, JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CORCORAN. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, SO I'LL START WITH A QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO FOR ADUS, LET'S SAY THAT THIS COMP PLAN GOES THROUGH, I MEAN, WOULD WE, WOULD THE MECHANISM FOR SOMEONE WANTING AN A DU ON THEIR PROPERTY, UM, WOULD THAT MEAN IT WOULD GO TO LIKE THE ZBA TO APPROVE LIKE A VARIANCE? OR, I MEAN, ARE THERE, IS THERE ANY NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE COULD SET THAT UP? I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ENTITLE IT. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS NOT ZONING, RIGHT? THIS IS A VISION FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO ENTITLE ADUS BY RIGHT MM-HMM, , YOU WOULD'VE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT CONTEXT THOUGH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE TACTICS FOR HOW THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE IMPLEMENTED, RIGHT? IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THINKING THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAY, LIKE JUST SAYING, HEY, WE'RE OPEN. 
          ALL THIS IS REALLY SAYING IS, HEY, WE'RE OPEN TO THE, THE IDEA THAT AT SOME NEIGHBORHOODS SOMEWHERE HERE, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD AN A DU WITH OR WITHOUT CERTAIN LEVELS OF PERMISSION THAT WE WOULD GIVE THEM RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THROUGH DIFFERENT MECHANISMS. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY, AND IF THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SAYING, THEN YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM SAYING, YEAH, THERE ARE CASES WHERE WE'D BE OPEN TO IT AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, NO, THERE'S NO SITUATION WE'D BE OPEN TO THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          . 
          YEAH, I THINK YOU JUST DESCRIBED IT VERY WELL. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE NOT EVEN THE PRIMARY USES. 
          THESE ARE THE SECONDARY USES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'RE JUST, I THINK YOU'VE SAID IT A COUPLE TIMES TONIGHT, WE'RE SAYING TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE OPEN TO, WE'RE CURIOUS ABOUT, BRING US A PROPOSAL, UNLESS OF COURSE, AND THEN YOU, THOSE ARE ONE-OFF CONSIDERATIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UNLESS YOU DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING THROUGH ZONING ACTION THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE AND, AND, AND ENTITLE IT IN SOME OTHER WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO THAT END, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ALL THE GREAT OUT BOXES, RIGHT? IT MAKES SENSE TO TELL THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN ADUS. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT TOWN HOMES IN ONE OF THESE PLACES AND PUT ADUS THERE, I'D AGREE WITH ALL THE, THE INPUT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT ANY DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND SAY THAT WE COULD ADVERTISE THIS AS A POTENTIAL THING 'CAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WITH DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE ONLY THING I'LL, I'LL SAY IS ANOTHER SORT OF WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          THE REALITY IS THERE'S LIKE A SUBDIVIDED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S STILL DETACHED. 
          UM, I THINK WHEN I THINK OF MULTIPLEXES, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THESE AND I WAS KIND OF THINKING, OKAY, WELL, WHERE COULD I LIKE NOT SEE A MULTIPLEX GOING? BUT EVEN IF I LOOK AT THE IQ, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE, IF SOME OF THOSE REALLY OLD WAREHOUSES, IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE JUST WANNA TEAR THE WHOLE WAREHOUSE DOWN AND BUILD A BRAND NEW MULTIPLEX, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY YES. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, SO I THINK, AGAIN, IN LIMITED SITUATIONS, WE DON'T WANT TO TELL PEOPLE NO WAY ON THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THINK THE LAST NOTE I HAD HERE WAS WITH THE TOWN HOMES. 
          UH, 'CAUSE I CAN SEE HOW THIS COULD BE CONTENTIOUS, BUT AS SORT OF A, A COUPLE HYPOTHETICALS, I MEAN, I, I THINK OF SOME CASE THAT WE'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR AROUND HERE, AT LEAST MOST OF US, WHICH IS ALL OF THOSE, UH, THOSE REALLY DENSE HOMES RIGHT ON WEST SHORE IN ARAPAHOE, RIGHT? THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
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AND AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE IF SOMEONE HAD COME IN AND SAID, WE WANT TO BUILD SOME REALLY NICE TOWN HOMES HERE WITH ADEQUATE PARKING, BRAND NEW, THEY LOOK AMAZING. 
          I THINK A LOT OF US WOULD'VE BEEN INCLINED TO VOTE YES ON THAT AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN IF I KINDA LOOK AT THE MAP JUST UP A LITTLE BIT, THERE ARE A COUPLE CHURCHES JUST UP THE STREET ON WEST SHORE AND ON THIS MAP THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL. 
          IF AT SOME POINT THOSE CHURCHES WANT TO MOVE AND SELL TO A DEVELOPER WHO BUILDS REALLY NICE TOWN HOMES RIGHT THERE ON WEST SHORE. 
          I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE YEAH. 
          WE, THERE'S NO WAY WE'LL EVEN CONSIDER THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY MY THOUGHT BEHIND ALL THESE LITTLE BUBBLES AND WHY I'M, I'M YES. 
          ON ALL OF THEM. 
          MR. DORIAN, THANK YOU. 
          UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I I WANTED TO MENTION. 
          UM, ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY, TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION IS REALLY NOT TO DISCUSS THE A DU ISSUES. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S JUST PART OF THE OVERALL, UM, WHETHER WE CUT CIRCLE BACK TO THIS TO DISCUSS THESE ACTIONS OR, OR WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT. 
          WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS AS AN OVERVIEW FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE MOMENT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO TONIGHT TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION IS, WELL, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW AND WE'VE HONED IN. 
          SO THE THINGS THAT ARE SHOWING CHECKS ARE THE THINGS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY ARE SAYING. 
          YEAH, WE WANNA SEE IT. 
          NOW, WHETHER IT'S IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT, WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT THEY'RE SAYING, YES, WE WANNA SEE IT, IT OUGHT TO BE PART OF RICHARDSON. 
          SO REALLY TONIGHT IS TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT DIRECTION ON THESE THINGS IN THE BUBBLES SO THAT WE CAN THEN START TO LOCATE THEM WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TYPES ON THE, WITHIN THE LAND USE PLAN. 
          WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN. 
          THIS IS NOT ZONING ANYTHING. 
          THERE WILL BE ACTION ITEMS THAT COME OUT OF THIS. 
          PART OF THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL, OKAY, WE NOW HAVE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          HOW DO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENTITLE AED OR NOT ENTITLE, DO YOU WANNA DO IT BY, RIGHT. 
          DO YOU WANT TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY COME IN AND SAY, WE WANNA LOOK AT SOME OF THEM WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT? AND THAT WILL BE A FOLLOW ON DISCUSSION AFTER THE COMP PLAN IS ADOPTED. 
          BUT FROM A VISION STANDPOINT, WHAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT, WE'RE PLANNING TO GO FORWARD IN SAYING, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          CURTIS, I MEAN, THINK, THINK BACK TO BOTH BE MAINE, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, US 75 MAINE AND, AND THE COLLINS ARAPAHOE, THERE WAS A VISION, A WHOLE VISIONING PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN THERE WAS A SEPARATE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS TO PUT INTO PLACE THE CODES AND ORDINANCES REGULATIONS TO MAKE THAT VISION MOST, UH, REALISTIC AND TO TRY TO REDUCE AS MANY OBSTACLES TO ACHIEVING THAT VISION AS POSSIBLE. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REALLY THE VISIONING PART. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN YOU, YOU ALL FUTURE COUNCILS WILL GET THIS SIDE TO WHAT EXTENT YOU ENTITLE THIS AND HOW EASY YOU MAKE IT TO, UH, TO ACCOMPLISH IT. 
          YOU MAY DECIDE THAT YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING ON THIS LIST TO BE BY. 
          RIGHT? YOU WANNA LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THOSE, UH, UH, UM, AS PART OF A SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE YOU WANT HAVE, YOU KNOW, EACH CONSIDERATION BE ITS OWN UNIQUE, UM, UM, DECISION. 
          AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE THAT'S POSSIBLE, OR YOU MIGHT DECIDE YOU WANNA ALLOW 'EM ALL TO BE BY, RIGHT? THAT'S POSSIBLE AS WELL. 
          THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, TWO OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. 
          BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE LATITUDE THAT YOU AND FUTURE COUNCILS WILL HAVE. 
          UM, AND TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CODING AND IMPLEMENTING, UM, WHICH, WHICH YOU DECIDED IN TERMS OF A VISION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I HAD GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, SOME FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THE DETAILS THERE, BUT I KNOW WE'RE JUST ENVISIONING TONIGHT. 
          BUT IF WE CIRCLE BACK, I CAN WE, 'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT MATTER, WHICH I THINK NEEDS TO BE FURTHER. 
          AND, AND ALSO TO, UH, SINCE IF WE DO AGREE THAT, UH, TOWN HOMES OR ANYTHING OF, OF A PARTICULAR HEIGHT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AROUND A NEIGHBORHOOD AS A BUFFER OR REINTRODUCED AS, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE OR REBUILD, THEN SOME OF THOSE DETAILS, I GUESS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE NEED TO DISCUSS LIKE, PRIVACY, YOU KNOW, OVERSEEING A SINGLE, A SINGLE LEVEL HOME OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LOOKING IN THEIR BACKYARD. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE DETAILS WE'LL DISCUSS LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, IF I NEEDED TO BRING THEM UP NOW, I WOULD, THEY'RE ON MY LIST, BUT I WILL, I WILL WAIT UNTIL IT'S TIME APPRO WHEN IT'S TIME APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THAT, THAT, AGAIN, THAT WOULD REALLY BE AS A FOLLOW ON STEP TO THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          WE'RE AT 10,000 FEET, THOSE DETAILS, THERE'S SO MANY DIRECTIONS YOU CAN GO AS A, AS A BODY TO SAY, WE WANT TO ENFORCE IT THIS WAY OR THIS WAY. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US TO ENFORCE. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'LL ACCEPT OR WON'T. 
          ALL OF THAT CAN BE DETERMINED THROUGH THE CODIFICATION AS A FOLLOW ON STEP TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THANK YOU 
          [01:30:01]
MAYOR PROTE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, MARK, YOU JUST SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENED, IT ALL NEED TO BE DETAILED, CODIFIED, AND COME UP WITH A PLAN EXACTLY WHAT WOULD MAKE SOME PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN BUILD SOME CERTAIN THINGS AND, UH, SOME OTHER PROPERTY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD SOME, SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH BY RIDE SOMETHING IS ALLOWED SOMEWHERE, YOU CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING THERE UNTIL IT MEETS ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO, UH, I THINK THOSE, THOSE ARE THE MOST COMPLEX THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 
          SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY. 
          THAT PART MAKING DECISION MIGHT BE EASIER THAN COMING UP WITH THAT PLAN, BUT THAT PLAN, THE DETAIL, THAT'S THE MOST COMPLEX PART. 
          I SEE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. 
          GARY? UM, ALL, ALL OF THESE, EXCEPT FOR ADUS, I PERSONALLY WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A TRADITIONAL LIVING ARRANGEMENT. 
          I MEAN, THEY MAY NOT ALL EXIST IN RICHARDSON CURRENTLY, BUT THEY ARE ALL TRADITIONAL IN STYLE. 
          BUT THE A DUI WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO THINK VERY SERIOUSLY ABOUT WHAT THAT DOES. 
          I MEAN, IS THERE ONE WATER METER NOW OR IS THERE TWO? DO I, DID I JUST SUBDIVIDE, UH, UH, UH, A RESIDENTIAL HOME SITE INTO TWO AREAS? GRANDMA CAME TO LIVE WITH US AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT GRANDMA'S GONE TO HER REWARD. 
          WELL, WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH IT NOW? DO, CAN I SELL THAT? CAN I, DO I RENT IT TO COLLEGE STUDENTS? DO I MAKE IT AN AIRBNB? I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG WITH AN A DU. 
          UM, NOW I KNOW WHEN I LIVED IN DUCK CREEK, THERE WERE A LOT OF FAMILIES IN THERE THAT HAD TAKEN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND PUT ANOTHER STORY ON PART OF IT SO GRANDMA WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. 
          NO ISSUES. 
          'CAUSE IT'S STILL JUST ONE HOLE. 
          BUT AD HAS OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD CAN OF WORMS, BUT I FEAR THAT IT WOULD BE A CAN OF WORMS THAT RICHARDSON WOULD REGRET HAVING OPENED. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, GARY. 
          MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY TO US? NO, AGAIN, THIS IS GOOD. 
          THIS IS GOOD DIRECTION FOR US. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHAT A COMPLEX DISCUSSION HAS BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SURE. 
          SO IF I COULD, SO, UH, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN GOOD DIRECTION. 
          WELL, I'LL ADD A COUPLE THINGS AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN ANYBODY'S MOUTHS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK IN TIME A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE OUR LAST COMP PLAN WAS IN 2009, AND THERE WAS A VISION, BUT THAT VISION IS, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT VISION IS REALLY ANYMORE. 
          AND IT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO OUR LIFESTYLE, OUR STANDARDS, OR THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AROUND US. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT THIS EXERCISE AND THE HARD WORK THAT YOU AND MONICA DID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE AMAZING AS TO HOW YOU'VE ADDRESSED THE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND IT WAS, IT'S, I LOOK AT IT AS IT'S UNEDUCATED IGNORANCE ON OUR BEHALF. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A NAME FOR ALL THESE THINGS. 
          I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY HAD A NAME FOR ALL THESE THINGS. 
          SO BRINGING US ALL UP TO DATE INTO 2024, YOU KNOW, IN ANOTHER 20 YEARS, THERE'S GONNA BE NEW NAMES FOR THINGS AND THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER THINGS. 
          AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD OUR COUNCIL SAY, AND THE CPC SAY TO US IS, OUR VISION TODAY IS NOT GONNA BE THE SAME VISION THEN. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET BOXED IN. 
          WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS INDEPENDENTLY AND IN INDEPENDENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. 
          IF, IF I DIDN'T, Y'ALL PLEASE CORRECT ME. 
          SO, UM, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF US LOOKING TO THE FUTURE AND SEEING WHERE THESE THINGS CAN FIT, BUT NOT TAKING THE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE CPC OR THE COUNCIL TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AND TRY TO PUT THOSE ROUND PEGS IN ROUND HOLES AND NOT PUT THE SQUARE PEGS IN THERE. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GET IN TROUBLE. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN FRONT OF US LATER TONIGHT AND IN THE FUTURE THAT ARE ZONING ISSUES OR ZONING THINGS THAT PEOPLE MAY WANNA SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT THE VISION. 
          WELL, WE HAVE A NEW VISION SINCE COD, WE HAVE DIFFERENT VISIONS WITH EVERYTHING WE DO, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE OPEN-MINDED ENOUGH TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE OR KNOW WE CAN'T LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT WE DO AS BEST WE CAN. 
          SO ANYWAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE MARK MONICA FOR YOUR HARD WORK. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. 
          I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          WE HAVE ONE MORE SECTION ON THE REINVESTMENT AREAS AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP. 
          WELL, LET'S DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MARK, GET TO THAT SLIDE QUICK. 
          I DON'T 
          [01:35:01]
GO FAST. 
          ASK, DOES HE WANNA SAY ANYTHING? ? OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE FINAL AREA, AND THIS WAS PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          SO THE VISION FOR THE REINVESTMENT AREAS, IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE CAME TO YOU AT THE LAST MEETING AND SHARED SOME VISION STATEMENTS FOR THESE REINVESTMENT AREAS AND SAID, DO THOSE SEEM APPROPRIATE? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TAKE TO THE COMMUNITY FOR FEEDBACK. 
          AND GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BEGINNING, WE DID SOME VISIONING FOR EACH OF THE REINVESTMENT AREAS AND SAID, WHAT TYPES OF THINGS, WHAT WORDS DESCRIBE IT? SO WE BUILT THOSE VISION STATEMENTS ESSENTIALLY BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO IT'S NOW COME FULL CIRCLE WHERE, UH, AGAIN, WE ASKED THEM TO WEIGH IN ON THE VISION STATEMENT FOR EACH OF THE FIVE AREAS. 
          WE ALSO ALLOWED THEM TO GIVE US SOME SPECIFIC DETAILS ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT'LL ADD RICHNESS TO THE PLAN FOR EACH OF THESE AREAS. 
          AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED THE VISION STATEMENTS FOR EACH REINVESTMENT AREA GEN, GENERALLY 74% OR HIGHER, WHICH MY GUT SAYS MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE BUILT IT UPON WHAT THEY TOLD US IN THE FIRST MEETING. 
          SO, UH, UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THIS WAS THE VISION STATEMENT FOR WES CAMPBELL. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE HAVE SOME SAMPLE COMMENTS. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT WERE STILL GOING THROUGH, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDING RICHNESS TO EACH OF THESE AREAS, NOT CHANGE THE OVERALL VISION. 
          75% AGREE, 12% DISAGREE. 
          WEST ARAPAHO 76 AGREE. 
          UH, 11% DISAGREE WITH THE VISION STATEMENT. 
          UH, BELTLINE PLANO, 73% AGREE, 10% DISAGREE. 
          WEST SPRING VALLEY, 71% AGREE, 11% DISAGREE. 
          AND THEN WE GET TO BELTLINE BOWSER WHO HAD THE LEAST LEVEL OF AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS 10% DISAGREEMENT. 
          SO A LOT OF THAT WAS PEOPLE ARE SAYING, YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M NEUTRAL ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT VISION. 
          SO, UH, BUT OVERALL, 70% AGREED. 
          SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT THE COMMENTS IN A LOT MORE DETAIL AND SAY, WHAT ARE SOME THINGS WE MAY BE MISSING THERE? ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TWEAK ON ALL OF THESE? BUT IT'S OUR OPINION THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS USE THE COMMENTS TO ADD RICHNESS. 
          AND, AND WE'VE LISTENED WELL SO FAR AND WE'RE GETTING SUPPORT TO SHOW THAT WE'VE LISTENED WELL. 
          SO AGAIN, THE FEEDBACK, UH, UH, WE RECOMMEND PROCEEDING WITH THE VISION STATEMENTS AND SUMMIT THREE. 
          UH, DOES COUNCIL CPC GENERALLY SUPPORT THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION AND ADD DETAIL TO THEM? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MARK. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. MARSH, CPC COMMENTS? COMMENTS? I MEAN, TO ME THEY JUST, THEY ALL SOUND ALIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY ALL SAY LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONE SAID A MORE MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY SERVICE RETAIL OFFICE. 
          THEY, THEY PRETTY MUCH ALL SAY THE SAME THING. 
          AND THE, AND I, I THINK THE DISTINCTION IS GOING TO BE THROUGH SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED SO THAT WE CAN MAKE EACH OF THEM A LITTLE MORE DISTINCT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT MAY BE THAT THE OVERALL VISION IS SIMILAR. 
          AGAIN, IT WAS BUILT UPON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THEM IN THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S JUST, YEAH. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          IT'S, IT'S BROAD, BUT IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH, IT KINDA ALLOWS A LOT OF THINGS TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE A, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          MARK, MAYBE FOLLOW ME. 
          COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT THE ROLE THIS PARTICULAR VISION HAS IN THE SPECIAL IN EACH OF THE SPECIAL STUDY AREAS AND HOW YOU'LL USE THAT TO KIND OF LAUNCH INTO MORE IN-DEPTH STUDIES? YEAH, SO ESSENTIALLY IF YOU LOOK BACK AT, UH, THE WEST SPRING VALLEY AREA, AND YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, MAIN STREET CENTRAL AREA, ALL OF THOSE SPECIAL STUDY AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WAY BACK IN THE PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY WERE JUST ALIGNED ON A MAP. 
          NOT TO, NOT TO DIS DISMISS IT, I MEAN, BUT THERE WERE A LINE ON A MAP THAT DIDN'T SAY, WE THINK THAT THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY VISION. 
          IT WAS SAYING, WE NEED TO GO LOOK AT THIS AND TALK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT WE'VE GOT MORE THAN A LINE ON A MAP. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME PRELIMINARY DIRECTION THAT WE CAN START TO TEST WITH THE COMMUNITY AGAIN, AS THESE MOVE FORWARD IS FOLLOW ON, UH, FOLLOW ON, UH, STUDIES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNSEL. 
          ANY COMMENTS, MR. CORCORAN? SORRY, MAYOR, I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE QUICK TWO. 
          WELL, ONE QUESTION AND THEN ONE REALLY QUICK COMMENT. 
          UM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST READING WHAT WAS UP THERE, WOULD YOU SAY THAT TOWN HOMES ARE THOSE REALLY LOW INTENSITY OR MID INTENSITY? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IN THE CONTEXT OF A LOT OF THESE AREAS, THEY COULD BE MORE LOW INTENSITY. 
          SO, SO IT DEPENDS ON 
          [01:40:01]
THE TOWN HOME. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME TOWN HOMES THAT I'VE SEEN. 
          UH, WE USED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT IMAGE OF TOWN TOWNHOMES DEPENDING ON IF IT WAS A LOWER INTENSITY OR HIGHER INTENSITY AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, UH, TOWNHOME COULD BE A, A HIGH INTENSITY, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE A LOW INTENSITY. 
          OKAY. 
          DEPENDING ON THE, THE OVERALL DENSITY, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE CONNECTED, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I, I'LL SAY I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF YOU READING THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS AND TWEAKING THESE PLANS AS AS NECESSARY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONE, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT, THAT I'LL MAKE IS I THINK IN GENERAL, ALL OF THESE, UH, THESE VISIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LOWER INTENSITY USES AND A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT SPOTS THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, MAKE SENSE. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, FOR AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE APARTMENTS, THERE I AM, I FEEL LIKE I'LL NEED TO BE SOLD A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHY THE NEW VISION REMOVES THOSE APARTMENTS ENTIRELY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IF I CAN COMMENT, COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND WITH FURTHER STUDY FOR THESE AREAS, UM, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO WE MAY SAY LOW INTENSITY, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IT MAY CHANGE FROM AREA TO AREA. 
          A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON, UH, WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          IF, IF IT IS TRULY A REDEVELOPMENT SITUATION OR IF IT'S AN ADAPTIVE ADAPTIVE REUSE SITUATION, THEN THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INVESTMENT THAT ARE REQUIRED. 
          BUT, UM, SOMETIMES IF YOU SPECIFY LOW DENSITY AND YOU COME BACK AND THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS TO, IF IT'S A TRULY REDEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT GONNA PENCIL OUT AND IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD GET INTO MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS WITH OKAY. 
          HOW DENSE IS, IS DENSE HERE. 
          OKAY, MR. BARRIOS, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I KNOW IN PREVIOUS SESSIONS, UH, I HAD SOME OBJECTIONS TO THE BELTLINE AND BOWSER CONCENTRATION. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMEWHAT REFLECTED BY SOME OF THE SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UM, AMOUNT OF PEOPLE GOING NEUTRAL THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE DATA SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE IN FAVOR. 
          UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT WHAT THE FIRST COMMENT ON SLIDE 45, BELTLINE BOWER, AND I'M CURIOUS, TAKE THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, URBAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, THIS PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW REVITALIZE ABOUT DISPLACEMENT. 
          WE NEED HOUSING FOR ALL INCOME LEVELS, CHAIN ZONING AND INCENTIVIZE MIXED INCOME HOUSING. 
          UM, THAT WAS MY CONCERN WITH SPRING VALLEY AND BOWSER BECAUSE EVEN THE SPRING VALLEY ONE ON THE WEST SIDE AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF ST. 
          PAUL TOWARDS THAT NORTH CENTRAL AREA OF THE SPRING VALLEY ONE, THERE'S, THERE'S APARTMENTS THERE. 
          AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS DISPLACEMENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT WHOEVER MADE THIS COMMENT SUMMED IT UP REALLY WELL. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME MIXED INCOME HOUSING IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THIS ALIGNED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PERHAPS THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T PASSED THE BUDGET YET, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS BEING DISCUSSED ON THE BUDGET SIDE IS THIS, UM, , UM, THE STUDY, UH, AROUND MISSING HOUSING. 
          AND IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOK AT THAT AND SOMEHOW LINE THAT WITH THE NEXT STEP AFTER THIS, I THINK IS, IS THE RIGHT APPROACH TO SEE, OKAY, WHAT DOES THE STUDY SHOW? WHERE DOES IT ALIGN WITH THIS? WHERE DOES IT ALIGN WITH THE ZONING? WHAT ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES? I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, BE MUCH CLEARER AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THIS PERSON JUST SUMMED IT UP, SUM, UH, SUMMED UP PERFECTLY. 
          UM, MY, MY CONCERN WAS DISPLACEMENT AND THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN OF BOTH OF THESE. 
          IF, BUT AT THE TIME, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE THE TOOLS AND WELL FUTURE COUNCILS, WHETHER IT'S THE NEXT ONE OR THE ONE AFTER THAT, WE'LL HAVE THOSE TOOLS, UH, TO PERHAPS, UH, SAY SOME PEOPLE'S HOMES WHILE ELEVATING THE AREA. 
          SO, UH, THERE'S A WAY TO WORK, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT A DECISION BEING MADE TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S, I TAKE THIS AS A CHARGE AND I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COMMENT. 
          'CAUSE UH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT SUMMARY TO WHAT I WAS FEELING. 
          AND WELL, I'LL, I'LL ECHO THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THAT VISION AND PROVIDING OR FACILITATING MIXED INCOME HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, I THINK THEY ACTUALLY CAN BE DONE, UH, IN UNISON. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHAT TOOLS ARE OUT THERE AND AVAILABLE TO US IN THE FUTURE AFTER WE COMPLETE THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WE COME BACK AND DISCUSS WITH THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU WANT US TO PRIORITIZE THE INCENTIVIZATION OF MIXED USE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THEY CAN BE DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY AND I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. 
          LIKE WE HAVE TO GIVE UP ONE TO HAVE THE OTHER. 
          [01:45:03]
OKAY. 
          IT WAS JUSTICE. 
          UM, MY ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ASKED IS YES, I DO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THERE WAS OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE FIVE STUDY AREAS AND WITH THE VISIONS THAT YOU PROVIDED. 
          AND I, I AGREE. 
          WE'VE BEEN SAYING FROM THE BEGINNING, WE ALL THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND THE COMMUNITY'S AGREED AND SO GO FORTH. 
          I THINK, UH, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR PROT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, MARK, YES, I DO ALSO, UH, SUPPORT THIS RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DONE WITH THIS. 
          THERE IS A LOT MORE WE CAN DO WITH THIS. 
          SO LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MR. HUTCHER RIDER, TWO WORDS. 
          THUMBS UP. 
          THANKS . 
          THANK YOU, MR. BEACH. 
          YOU, UH, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS AND WE MAY HAVE DISCUSSED IT IN ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND JUST SLIPPED OUTTA MY LITTLE P BRAIN, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND USED TO, I WOULD THINK THAT MEANT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I MEAN, HOUSES GOTTEN CRAZY. 
          NOW IT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN THAT, BUT MY REAL QUESTION IS ABOUT WHERE IS WORKFORCE HOUSING? BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IN RICHARDSON'S GONNA BE A MILLIONAIRE GONNA HAVE SIX FIGURE INCOME OR THAT KIND OF THING. 
          WE GOTTA HAVE SOME PLACE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          AND FOR ME, I THINK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, EXISTING ALONG BOWSER BY BELTLINE. 
          NOW THAT MAY BE A MISPERCEPTION ON MY PART, BUT, UH, SOME SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A WORKFORCE HOUSING AND I JUST DON'T RECALL US HAVING BROUGHT THAT BEFORE THIS, THIS FORUM. 
          GARY, I WOULD SAY THAT ANY OF THESE AREAS COULD BE WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT THE VISION OR THE ZONING THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE THAT RESULTS IN WORKFORCE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE OR MIXED INCOME HOUSING. 
          IT'S REALLY THE POLICY THAT THE COUNCIL SETS AND THE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT APPROACH THAT THEY, THEY, UH, DIRECT US TO UTILIZE TO ATTRACT THAT KIND OF HOUSING. 
          SO YOU CAN HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR YOU COULD HAVE WORKFORCE HOUSING AT CITY LINE OR YOU COULD HAVE IT ON WEST SPRING VALLEY. 
          AND SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON, UM, AGAIN, THE POLICY THAT THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCIL SET AND THE DIRECTION THAT THEY GIVE US TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO, TO BRING THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, HOUSING TO RICHARDSON. 
          SURE. 
          ALRIGHT, JUST A COUPLE MORE SLIDES, NEXT STEPS. 
          UH, SO WE WILL COMPLETE THE SUMMARY OF PHASE THREE FEEDBACK OR THE COMPLETE, UH, SUMMARY. 
          LET ME PUT MY GLASSES ON. 
          MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE. 
          THE COMPLETE SUMMARY OF, UH, COMMUNITY SUMMIT THREE FEEDBACK. 
          IT'S NOW AVAILABLE@ENVISIONRICHARDSON.COM, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          WE WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND SHOW ALL OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED. 
          UH, WE WILL TAKE THE FEED, UH, BACK RECEIVED TONIGHT FROM THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION AND MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED. 
          UH, BASED UPON THAT FEEDBACK AND CONTINUE WORKING ON THE DRAFT REPORT, UH, COUNSEL AND CPC WILL BE BRIEFED IN OCTO ON OCTOBER 21ST. 
          UH, AND THE, UH, COUN THE CONSULTANT TEAM WILL ANSWER ANY REMAIN REMAINING QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT. 
          THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR FINAL ADOPTION IN DECEMBER. 
          AND AGAIN, HERE'S THAT TENTATIVE SCHEDULE, UH, GOING THROUGH, UH, THE DRAFT PLAN AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW STARTING IN EARLY OCTOBER, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE MEETINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE UP UNTIL THE, UH, ADOPTION IN DECEMBER. 
          SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND FEEDBACK. 
          UH, SORRY IT TAKES A LITTLE LONG TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS MATERIAL, BUT, UH, WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK AND APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MONICA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'D CALL ON CHAIRMAN, WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS. 
          BRIAN MARSH . 
          CHAIRMAN BRIAN MARSH TO, UH, ADJOURN YOUR MEETING, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE STAND ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S INPUT AT 
          [2. ADJOURNMENT OF CITY PLAN COMMISSION PORTION OF THE JOINT MEETING]
THIS TIME. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ALSO ADJOURN OUR MEETING AT 7 48 AND 
          [3. RECESS]
WE WILL, WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO A RECESS NOW AND WE WILL START BACK UP IN 10 MINUTES, WHICH WOULD BE, LET'S JUST SAY EIGHT O'CLOCK. 
          AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. 
          WE'LL START BACK UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
I CALL THIS MEETING THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 8:00 PM NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS OUR INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BE LED BY MAYOR PRO TEM ORPHAN CHU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PLEASE STAND AND JOIN. 
          DEAR GOD, YOU ARE THE MOST GRACIOUS AND THE MOST MERCIFUL. 
          WE THANK YOU GOD FOR THE ABUNDANT BLESSINGS YOU HAVE BESTOWED UPON US AND OUR CITY. 
          WE ASK YOU TO HEAL THOSE WHO NEED HEALING AND KEEP THE FAMILY CLOSER TO EACH OTHER. 
          DEAR LORD, 
          [01:50:02]
PLEASE LET US NOT FORGET THAT WE ARE ELECTED TO SERVE EVERYONE AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SERVING THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL OUR CREATOR. 
          WE ARE WITNESSING WAR, POVERTY, AND INJUSTICE AROUND THE WORLD. 
          DEAR LORD, YOU HAVE CREATED US ALL AND EVERYTHING WE CALL UPON YOUR STRENGTH AND GUIDANCE. 
          WE ASK YOU OUR LORD TO GRANT US THE WISDOM TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IS GOOD AND WORK WITH AND FOR THE GOOD. 
          DEAR LORD, HELP THOSE FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY. 
          DEAR GOD, GUIDE US TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS, ENABLE US TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY WITH EACH OTHER AND GIVE US THE KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING WE WE NEED. 
          I MEAN, PLEDGE OF NCE I PLEDGE OF NCE TO THE BACK OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, ORIGINATE ONE NATION UNDER GOD. 
          INDIVIDUALS WITH LIBERTY AND  TEXAS HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          I LEDGE THE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE AND INDIVIDUAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR PROTI. 
          THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA GO 
          [6. MINUTES OF THE JULY 22, 2024 MEETING AND AUGUST 5-6, 2024 BUDGET WORKSHOP]
TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          MR. RE, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 22ND, 2024 MEETING IN AUGUST 5TH AND SIXTH, 2024. 
          BUDGET WORKSHOP MINUTES AS PUBLISHED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT A SECOND, MR. CHU. 
          I SECONDED. 
          GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          ITEM 
          [7. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM]
SEVEN, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND AGENDA ITEMS IN THE VISITORS FORUM. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF, UH, ONE CARD IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE. 
          IT'S FROM MR. MARK BASIAN, 700 SCOTTSDALE, UH, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. 
          SINCE REGARDING ZONING FILE 24 16 AND SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE 24 0 1, UH, HIS STATUS IS NEUTRAL AND, UH, UH, I WANNA MAKE NOTE THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED A COPY OF THOSE, UH, COMMENTS. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS SCHEDULED AND, UH, A PUBLIC TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS LATER. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ THE INSTRUCTIONS. 
          UH, DURING THIS INITIAL PORTION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED. 
          THERE'S TIME LEFT DURING THE INITIAL, UH, 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. 
          THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITORS FORUM. 
          MOVING TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTERS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. 
          IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS REACHED, THEN SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITORS FORUM SCHEDULED AT THE END OF THE MEETING, ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY BEFORE THE MEETING BEGIN. 
          SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY ARE RECEIVED. 
          WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. 
          WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS, COMP PROMPTLY. 
          SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. 
          SPEAKERS. 
          SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER. 
          THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. 
          THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS OF POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO, TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. 
          AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OUR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. 
          AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES DURING THE MEETING. 
          NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, CITY SECRETARY TO CALL THE SPEAKERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, KAISHA ANDERSON, ALEX STEIN, MUNCHIE, SHAMAN AMADOU. 
          KAREN, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF 'EM ARE LEFT IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. EMER. 
          IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, COUNSEL. 
          OKAY, SEE YOU NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO TO 
          [8. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-15, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT  FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER WITHIN AN EXISTING 4,784 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON A 0.403- ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED C-M COMMERCIAL LOCATED AT 1006 HAMPSHIRE LANE,  SOUTH OF ARAPAHO ROAD, ON THE EAST SIDE OF HAMPSHIRE LANE.]
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 15. 
          A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER LOCATED AT 1 0 0 6 HAMPSHIRE LANE. 
          MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, DEREK PETERS, OUR, UM, SENIOR PLANNER IS HERE TO PRESENT THE CASE, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, UH, TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT THAT MAY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          SO, DEREK, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ZONING FILE 2015 
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IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER AT 1006 HAMPSHIRE LANE. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS ZONED COMMERCIAL. 
          THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH A DOG DAYCARE BOARDING FACILITY, AND TO THE SOUTH IS AN INDOOR SOCCER FACILITY. 
          TO THE EAST IS A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER, AND TO THE WEST ACROSS HAMPSHIRE IS AN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, I'LL ALSO POINT OUT HERE ON THE AERIAL IMAGE, UH, HAMPSHIRE LANE. 
          THIS PORTION OF HAMPSHIRE LANE, SOUTH OF WEST ARAPAHO IS NOT A THROUGH STREET. 
          IT DEAD ENDS AT A PROPERTY THAT IS A FEW, A FEW HUNDRED FEET SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          AND YOU SEE THAT HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE AERIAL IMAGE. 
          THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER AERIAL IMAGE AND AN IMAGE OF LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS SEEN FROM HAMPSHIRE LANE. 
          AND THESE IMAGES ARE THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHERE YOU SEE THERE'S AN OUTDOOR, UH, YARD AREA IN THE REAR. 
          SO THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER IN 1990, AND IN, UH, IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, IT OPERATED AS A CHILDCARE CENTER UP UNTIL 2019 WHEN THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AT 1010, HAMPSHIRE WAS SOLD OFF AND WAS APPROVED FOR THE DOGGY DAYCARE AND FORWARDING CENTER. 
          SO SINCE THAT TIME IN 2019, THIS, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN VACANT. 
          THERE HAS NOT BEEN, UH, CHILDCARE SERVICES OPERATING HERE. 
          SO BECAUSE THOSE, UH, THAT USE HAS BEEN, UH, BANDED FOR A PERIOD MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, THAT USE HAS, UM, THE, THOSE RIGHTS TO THAT USE HAVE BEEN ABANDONED. 
          SO A SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR A NEW CHILDCARE CENTER. 
          UH, IN 2022. 
          YOU MAY REMEMBER A SPECIAL PERMIT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE, UH, HOWEVER, THAT APPLICANT, THAT OPERATOR WAS NOT ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT IN TIME. 
          UM, SO THAT SPECIAL PERMIT LAPSED, THEY DID GO ONTO ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO TODAY WE DO HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT. 
          THIS IS GOOD SHEPHERD OF NORTH TEXAS. 
          THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO, UM, REESTABLISH THE CHILDCARE USE OF THE FACILITY. 
          THEY'LL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 80 CHILDREN. 
          THEY WILL PROVIDE CARE FOR CHILDREN FROM THE AGE OF NEWBORNS TO 12 YEARS OLD. 
          HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 6:30 AM TO 6:30 PM SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE SITE ITSELF IS 0.4 ACRES. 
          THE BUILDING IS 4,700 SQUARE FEET, AND THE PLAYGROUND AREA IN THE REAR IS ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY MEET THE CITY AND STATE REQUIREMENT FOR OUTDOOR PLAY AREA. 
          UH, THAT PLAY AREA IS ALSO ALREADY ENCLOSED BY A SIX FOOT TALL SOLID PLA UH, VINYL FENCE THAT YOU SAW IN THE PHOTOS EARLIER. 
          UM, SO PARENTS WILL BE INSTRUCTED TO PARK AND WALK THEIR CHILDREN TO THE DOOR FOR ARRIVAL AND FOR DISMISSAL, PARENTS WILL BE ABLE TO USE AN ONLINE APP ON THEIR PHONE, WHICH HELPS CHILDCARE CENTER STAFF MANAGE AND BETTER UNDERSTAND, UH, WHEN CHILDREN MAY BE DROPPED OFF AND WHEN CHILDREN MAY BE PICKED UP IN THE AFTERNOONS. 
          UH, THIS SITE PROVIDES 16 PARKING SPACES IN TOTAL ON SITE, WHICH DOES MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR CHILDCARE CENTERS, WHICH IS ONE SPACE PER 300 SQUARE FEET OF CHILDCARE CENTER. 
          UH, HOWEVER, SINCE THIS PARKING LOT IS A DEAD END PARKING LOT AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR CIRCULATION ON SITE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ENTERING INTO A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH TO USE AN ADDITIONAL 10 SPACES ON THEIR PROPERTY, UH, GIVING THIS PROPERTY 26 PARKING SPACES TO USE FOR THE TEACHER'S, STAFF, AND PARENTS. 
          AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AS PRESENTED AT THEIR JULY 16TH MEETING. 
          AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AS WELL TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEE YOU. 
          NONE. 
          WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE GO FORWARD AND SHARE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL. 
          REMEMBER, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS PASTOR SAMMY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND I HAVE WITH ME 
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HERE, MY BIG SISTER AND ALSO TO MY BROTHER. 
          SO BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE A JOINT, UM, PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN TWO FAMILIES. 
          AND, UH, OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE AN AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE FOR THE RICHES AND COMMUNITY. 
          AND ALSO TO THE IDEAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PARENTS GO TO THEIR VARIOUS JOB AND HAVE THIS, UH, PEACE OF MIND THAT THEY, THEIR KIDS ARE SAFE, AND AT THE SAME TIME THEY ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE, UM, A HIGH LEVEL OF CURRICULUM FOR THE KIDS, FOR THE CHILDREN. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE AFTER SCHOOL CARE FOR THE KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL AND THEIR PARENTS ARE NOT ABLE TO PICK THEM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PICK THEM UP. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE KIDS ALSO TOO, WITH A FREE BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND PM SNACKS. 
          SO THE GOAL IS TO COME INTO RICHARDSON WITH THE IDEA OF, UH, PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT AND AT THE SAME TIME HELPING PARENTS, UH, GET TO WORK AND AT THE SAME TIME KNOWING THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE SAFE AND THEY'RE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS MR. BARRIOS? UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, THIS, THIS BUILDING WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, A DAYCARE AS WELL. 
          TO BE HONEST, MY, MY SON WAS THERE FROM ABOUT 2008 TO ABOUT 2014 IN THAT PREVIOUS, UH, DAYCARE. 
          SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE'S ANOTHER DAYCARE POSSIBLY COMING IN. 
          UM, ONLY QUESTION, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF YOU, UH, IS, IS A DOG DAYCARE BOARDING AND TRAINING CENTER? YES, WE DO. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE, UH, AND I KNOW THE STATE COMES IN, HAS ALL KINDS OF, UM, REGULATIONS, STUFF. 
          DO YOU FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE, ANYTHING FROM THE STATE AS FAR AS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF ANIMALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? PROXIMITY TO SMALL KIDS? NOT AT THE MOMENT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MS. BECKY WHO CURRENTLY WORK WITH, UH, THE STATE LICENSING FOR CHILDCARE. 
          OKAY. 
          SHE'S BEEN ON THE SITE COUPLE OF TIMES. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE DONE ALL THOSE FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND WE, WE READY TO GO IF THE CITY APPROVES US. 
          WELL, I, UH, FROM A PARENT, I, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT BUILDING REUSED THAT THAT IS IN PLACE. 
          THREE. 
          SO GLAD TO SEE ANOTHER BUSINESS COMING TO, TO THE AREA, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR, YOUR IDEA OF, UH, IT BEING A PLACE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE AND PROVIDES ANOTHER OPTION TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I CAUTION JUST, YOU KNOW, THE USE COMMON SENSE THERE, JUST 'CAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THOSE DOGS. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THEY'RE GREAT DOGS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONE OF THE BEST PLACES IN THE CITY FOR, UH, BOARDING AND BEHAVIOR TRAINING. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A GREAT NEIGHBOR THERE. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          Y'ALL MAY TAKE A SEAT, WE MAY ASK YOU TO COME BACK IF NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT AT THIS TIME. 
          I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          NO CARDS, MAYOR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, I WOULD ENTER, ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MR. CORCORAN, OR I'M SORRY, MR. T WRITER , THAT LINE LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ON THIS SIDE OF YOU. 
          HEY, NO PROBLEM. 
          MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL SECOND. 
          MR. COR GOT A MOTION TO SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH NO FURTHER CONVERSATIONS, ASK YOU IF THERE'S NO, ANY MORE DISCUSSION. 
          MR. HUTCHER RIDER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ZONING FILE. 
          24 DASH 15. 
          UH, REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER AS LISTED. 
          I GOT A MOTION, MR. BARRIOS. 
          I SECOND GOT A MOTION. 
          AND SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          PASS IT UNANIMOUSLY. 
          ALRIGHT, THAT'S GOOD. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THAT TAKES US 
          [9. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-16, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT  FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE BODY SHOP ON A 1.4-ACRE LOT, A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A MOTOR  VEHICLE STORAGE LOT ON A 0.04-ACRE LOT, AND A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A MOTOR  VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP, MINOR ON A 1.2-ACRE LOT, CURRENTLY ZONED MAIN  STREET/CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT (INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT) AND LOCATED WITHIN EXISTING BUILDINGS LOCATED EAST OF BISHOP AVE,  WEST OF N. INTERURBAN STREET, NORTH OF JACKSON STREET AND SOUTH OF DAVIS  STREET.]
TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING ZONING FILE 24 16. 
          A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE BODY SHOP LOCATED EAST OF BISHOP AVENUE, WEST OF NORTH IN OUR URBAN STREET, NORTH OF JACKSON STREET AND SOUTH OF DAVIS STREET. 
          AT THIS TIME, MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR COUNSEL, ALLOW OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, SAM, UH, SAM CHAVEZ IS GONNA PRESENT THE, UH, CITY BRIEFING AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO, UH, MAKE A STATEMENT AND TAKE QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          THANKS, SAM. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 16. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL PERMITS. 
          UH, IT'S A TOTAL OF THREE, UM, SPECIAL PERMITS FOR CLAY COOLEY, VW. 
          BUT BEFORE 
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WE GET INTO THAT, UH, LET'S LOOK AT THE VISION FOR THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT, WHICH IS A SUBDISTRICT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN. 
          IT'S BASICALLY IN, IN FOUR SHORT, UM, BULLET POINTS. 
          UH, THE VISION IS AN EDGY MIXED USE DISTRICT UPON, UH, BUILT UPON THE EXISTING BONES OF THE DISTRICT FOCUSING ON ADAPTIVE REVIEW, REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND TARGETED INFILL DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, THE VISION GOES ON TO SAY THAT NEW INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO DESIRED, UH, PROVIDED, DONE IN A MANNER THAT FURTHER FURTHERS THE VISION OF THAT SUBDISTRICT. 
          UH, IT TALKS ABOUT EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS SHOULD BE, UH, SHOULD PROMOTE DESIGN CREATIVITY AND UNIFY THE, THE ECLECTIC STYLE AND VISION FOR THE SUBDISTRICT. 
          AND LASTLY, UH, STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS MAY VARY FROM MINIMAL TO MORE ENHANCED IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WERE PHYSICAL. 
          SO IN 2016, THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM-BASED CODE WAS ADOPTED. 
          AND IN THAT, OF COURSE, THERE WERE EIGHT SEPARATE SUBDISTRICTS WITH THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT BEING ONE OF THEM. 
          IN 2022, A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR CLAY COOLEY BW DEALERSHIP TO ACCOMMODATE MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          UH, JUST, UH, THIS AS A FORMALITY, UH, IN THAT CODE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES NEW, IN OTHER WORDS, A NEW CAR DEALERSHIP IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT. 
          NOW THE MAJORITY OF MOTOR VEHICLE RELATED USES REQUIRE ARE EITHER NOT ALLOWED OR REQUIRE APPROVAL OF SPECIAL PERMITS. 
          SO WE'LL GET INTO THE ACTUAL, UH, REQUEST ITSELF. 
          SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED BETWEEN BISHOP AVENUE AND NORTH INTERURBAN AND THE, UH, AND THE NORTH INTERURBAN STREET AND JACKSON STREET AND DAVIS STREET. 
          THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM-BASED CODE. 
          AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT. 
          SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TONIGHT IS, IS THREEFOLD. 
          ONE IS FOR APPROVAL OF A MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE LOT, AND WE'LL GET INTO THOSE SITES, UH, SPECIFICALLY HERE SHORTLY, A MOTOR, A MOTOR VEHICLE BODY SHOP. 
          AND LASTLY, A MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP MINOR. 
          SO WE'LL GET INTO THE FIRST SITE, AND THESE ARE LABELED AS DEVELOPMENT ONE ON THE CONCEPT PLANS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. 
          SO THIS IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF DAVIS STREET AND BISHOP AVENUE. 
          THIS IS ABOUT AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT PAVED, UH, PARKING LOT. 
          UH, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED FOR, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE. 
          THE SECOND DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS DEVELOPMENT TWO, IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DAVIS STREET AND INTERURBAN STREET. 
          UH, THIS IS ONE LARGE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE'LL GET INTO THE ACTUAL, UH, SPECIFICS OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT THEY ARE COMPOSED OF APPROXIMATELY FOUR, FOUR LOTS. 
          UH, ONE LARGE BUILDING WITH DEMISING MALLS. 
          AND THE REQUEST HERE IS A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A AUTO BODY, UH, NOT AUTO BODY REPAIR SHOP. 
          UH, THERE IS AN EX, THERE WAS AN EXISTING ONE IN THIS, WITHIN THIS FACILITY. 
          IT WAS A LITTLE OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND LASTLY IS DEVELOPMENT THREE. 
          AND THIS IS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BISHOP AVENUE AND JACKSON STREET. 
          AGAIN, THESE ARE EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          UH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 19,000 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL BUILDINGS ON THIS. 
          THESE, UH, BUILDINGS WERE AC WERE ALSO USED, WERE, WERE PREVIOUSLY USED AS AUTO REPAIR, UM, FACILITIES. 
          AND THE REQUEST IS REALLY FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR BUILDING TWO. 
          AND WE WILL GET INTO THE CONCEPT PLAN HERE SHORTLY. 
          UH, BUILDING TWO FOR MOTOR VEHICLE DETAILING SHOP. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT 5,700 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT IN THIS SUBDISTRICT. 
          SO HERE IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, OR THE EXISTING CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE, FOR THIS SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          ONE IS A VEHICLE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE LOT. 
          IT'S ABOUT 18,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. 
          DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT. 
          UH, DEVELOPMENT TWO, AGAIN IS A MOTOR VEHICLE BODY SHOP. 
          AND THAT REALLY RELATES TO THE, TO THE EXISTING 28, UH, HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, UH, VEHICLE BODY SHOP THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE BUILDING. 
          THE BALANCE OF THAT BUILDING WILL BE USED FOR FILE STORAGE. 
          SO THE REQUIREMENT HERE IS THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS FOR THE, UH, THE EXISTING BODY SHOP, UH, BAYS. 
          AND THEN DEVELOPMENT THREE, AGAIN, IS A TOTAL, UH, HAS A TOTAL BUILDING OF ABOUT, UH, ALMOST 20,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. 
          BUILDING. 
          ONE IS A NORTHERN BUILDING. 
          IT'S ABOUT 13,500 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE THAT WILL HOUSE AUTO BODY STORAGE PARTS. 
          NOW THESE ARE LARGE, UH, THESE ARE LARGE, UM, BODY PARTS FOR, FOR VEHICLES, FENDERS HOODS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL BE USED, UH, WITH THE, UH, 
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REPAIR SERVICE. 
          AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THAT BUILDING WILL BE, UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT 3,800 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE BUILDING TWO, WHICH IS A SOUTHERN BUILDING, IS THE MOTOR, IS THE PROPOSED MOTOR VEHICLE DETAILING SHOP. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT 5,700 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT. 
          NOW THE, THE REASON IT'S UNDER A MINOR, UH, A MO A MOTOR VEHICLE MINOR REPAIR SHOP IS BECAUSE IT DOES MINOR REPAIR. 
          IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, IT'S MORE AUTO DETAILING, UH, THAT WILL, THAT WILL TAKE, UH, PLACE ON THIS SITE. 
          SO THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MET ON JULY 16TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED NO CORRESPONDENCE WITH THIS SUBJECT REQUEST. 
          UH, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED FIVE OH IN FAVOR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED. 
          UM, CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED TONIGHT. 
          APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST. 
          LISTED ARE THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, ARE THE, ARE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, RELATED TO EACH DEVELOPMENT SITE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SITES ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          DEVELOPMENT SITE WOULD BE, UH, ONE WOULD BE A SPECIAL PERMIT BE GRANTED FOR VEHICLE STORAGE, LOT LIMITED TO THE AREA SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          THAT SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD BE LIMITED TO CLAY COOLEY, VW, UH, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, UH, ACQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND ACCESS WOULD BE LIMITED, UH, TO THE PRO, UH, TO THE PROPERTY TO AND FROM THE ALLEY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          TWO AGAIN, WOULD BE A SPECIAL PERMIT THAT WOULD BE GRANTED FOR A MOTOR MOTOR VEHICLE BODY SHOP LIMITED TO THE AREA SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLANT. 
          THAT SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD ALSO BE LIMITED TO, UH, CLAY COE, VW AND ALSO BUILDING PERMIT, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED, UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          AND THEN DEVELOPMENT THREE IS THE LAST SPECIAL PERMIT THAT WOULD BE GRANTED FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP MINOR LIMITED TO THAT AREA SHOWN ON CONCEPT PLAN. 
          ALSO LIMITED TO CLAY COOLEY. 
          AND, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, THE, UH, UH, OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, THIS EVENING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND AS WELL AS STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SAM. 
          COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. BARRIOS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          HEY, SAM, ON DEVELOPMENT THREE, BUILDING TWO MOTOR VEHICLE DETAILING SHOP. 
          UM, WHEN I WENT MY VEHICLE DETAILED, UH, MY, I I TOOK IT TO A CAR WASH AND THEY, YOU KNOW, CLEANED IT OUT AND SHAMPOOED MY CARPETS AND ALL THAT. 
          I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS LAST SUMMER. 
          IN THE LAST YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, WE LOOKED AT A CAR WASH. 
          HOW ARE I GUESS, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A DETAIL SHOP DIFFERENT THAN A CAR WASH? UH, AS FAR AS FROM THE PERMITTING SIDE, UH, I MEAN, IS IT SIMILAR CAR WASH THAT HAS TO HAVE UNDERGROUND TANKS AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS? OR, UM, IS THERE GONNA, IS THIS APPROVING ALL THAT OR IS THIS, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN A COMMERCIAL CAR, CAR WASH, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS, IS REALLY ASSOCIATED WITH IT CAR DEALERSHIP, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF JACKSON. 
          SO IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. 
          UM, A COMMERCIAL ENTITY LIKE YOU AND I COULD PULL INTO THIS FACILITY AND GET OUR CARS DETAILED. 
          SURE. 
          THEY, THEY WOULD DETAIL THEIR CAR, THE, THE DEALERSHIP'S VEHICLES. 
          NOW, AS FAR AS BUILDING PERMITS, I KNOW OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS HERE IN THE, UH, IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. 
          AND HE MAY, MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR US. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M THINKING MORE FROM LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND CHANGES TO PROPERTY OR FUTURE PER REQUIRED PERMITS TO, RIGHT. 
          SO, SO RELATIVE TO THAT QUESTION, IF, IF THE DETAIL SHOP INVOLVES, UM, YOU KNOW, GREASE OILS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE A TRAP, A SAND TRAP IN THAT GENERAL AREA TO, TO OBVIOUSLY ENVIRONMENTALLY ALLOW THOSE MATERIALS TO, TO GO INTO THE SAND TRAP AND BE PROPERLY, UM, UH, DISPOSED OF. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW THE, THE DETAILS. 
          SOME DETAIL SHOPS JUST DO WINDOW TINT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE PEN STRIPING. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE ON THE SCALE OF WHAT THIS DETAIL DETAIL SHOP IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION THERE. 
          WHAT ENTAILS A DETAIL SHOP? SO IT'S LIKE, I KNOW WHEN I TAKE MY CAR TO GET FIXED, THEY'RE GONNA CLEAN IT, VACUUM IT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          MAKE IT NICE AND NEAT SO WHEN THEY RETURN IT, IT'S CLEAN. 
          UH, SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY APPROVING AN INTERNAL CAR WASH FOR THEM TO WASH ALL THEIR CARS IN AND WATER RECYCLING AND CHEMICAL STORAGE AND ALL THAT, THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED WITH A EXTERNAL FACING. 
          CORRECT. 
          I THINK TO GET THE BEST ANSWER, WE MIGHT JUST WAIT AND LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THAT. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY MORE 
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COMMENTS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SAM. 
          OKAY. 
          SEE YOU. 
          NO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          THIS TIME. 
          WE WILL CALL THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND PRESENT ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS ED HICKS JR. 
          I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT CLAY HULEY VOLKSWAGEN. 
          I LIVE AT 5 0 0 9 SPANISH OAKS, FRISCO, TEXAS. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, AND I, I WANNA START BY SAYING THAT MR. UH, COOLEY, UH, HAS BEEN, IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. 
          SO I, MY APOLOGIES HE COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE. 
          BUT, UH, YEAH, WE, UH, I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S DRIVEN BY OUR FACILITY AND, UH, SEEN THE, THE MAJOR CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'VE DONE. 
          AND, UH, WE DID PURCHASE THE, UH, UH, THE BODY SHOP, UH, FROM, UH, CLASSIC BMW, UM, WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING AN EXTENSION FROM OUR CLAY COOLEY VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP TO WHERE IF CUSTOMERS, UH, WANT TO HAVE THEIR VEHICLE, UH, TOUCHED UP OR THEY NEED BODY WORK, THEY CAN CHECK IN AT THE, UH, VOLKSWAGEN STORE. 
          SO EVERYTHING IS RUN THROUGH OUR VOLKSWAGEN. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF OUR VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP. 
          UM, I DID WANNA BRING UP THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE DETAIL. 
          UM, THAT'S WINDOW TENT AND ALSO, UH, BUFFING, UH, CLEANING OUT THE INSIDES. 
          BUT EVERYTHING IN THAT FACILITY, UM, WAS ENVIRONMENTALLY APPROVED. 
          THEY HAVE THE SAND TRAPS, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING. 
          WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE FACILITY AT ALL. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA USE THE EXISTING FACILITY. 
          SO EVERYTHING IS THERE TO GET OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          WE WOULD PASS WITH FLYING COLORS. 
          SO, UM, I, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY CLAY. 
          UH, UM, I HAD SOMEBODY ASK ME THE OTHER DAY, THEY SAID, WELL, WELL CLAY'S, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ALL THESE FACILITIES HERE IN RICHARDSON, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU BOUGHT COURTESY NISSAN. 
          AND THEY SAID, SO, SO WHAT IF HE DECIDES TO GET UP AND LEAVE? WELL, THE THING IS CLAY, I'VE BEEN WITH CLAY 20 YEARS AND WE STARTED IT WITH ONE DEALERSHIP, AND, UH, HE NOW HAS 18 AND, UH, ON THE MOVE TO TRY TO GET MORE BECAUSE HE HAS A FAMILY AND HIS FAMILY IS, IS GOING TO WIND UP INHERITING, UH, ALL THE DEALERSHIPS. 
          SO, UM, HE WANTED TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN RICHARDSON. 
          UM, WE SPENT $15 MILLION ON THE FACILITY. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE OVER $30 MILLION INVESTED IN THE FACILITY ALONE. 
          HE DID BUY THE, UH, CLASSIC BMW FOR 5.7 MILLION. 
          SO, UH, WITH THE F, F AND E, WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT $37 MILLION INVESTED IN THAT, JUST THAT AREA THERE, UH, OVER AND ABOVE, UH, THE 20 MILLION FOR COURTESY NISSAN. 
          SO HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT A PRETTY STRONG SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN RICHARDSON. 
          AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, UH, IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 78 EMPLOYEES AT THE VOLKSWAGEN STORE, UH, WITH THE BODY SHOP. 
          WE'LL JUMP TO 30 ADDITIONAL THERE. 
          AND WE DOUBLED, UH, OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT, AND ACTUALLY WE THANK YOU. 
          WE'VE GOT OUR CEO TODAY, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET GOING THERE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, UH, ADD ANOTHER 50 EMPLOYEES OVER OVERALL FOR OUR, OUR, UH, OUR PROJECT OVER THERE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, WE'LL HAVE A HUNDRED TO 125 EMPLOYEES, UH, FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE WILL GROW. 
          UM, LET ME MENTION SOME OTHER, UH, POSITIVES ABOUT THE BODY SHOP. 
          UH, WE'RE CENTRALLY LOCATED BASED ON THE OTHER DEALERSHIPS THAT CLAY OWNS, UH, AROUND THE AREA. 
          HE'S GOT, UH, ONE IN GARLAND. 
          HE HAS ONE IN, UH, MESQUITE. 
          HE HAS ONE IN PLANO, AND THEN THE COURTESY NISSAN. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PARK CITIES DOWN ON LEMON AVENUE. 
          WE WILL, UH, OUR BODY SHOP THROUGH OUR VOLKSWAGEN STORE WILL SERVICE ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL, ONE OF YOU COULD COME IN AND GET SERVICE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR VOLKSWAGEN STORE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE SERVICING, UH, ALL THE BODY REPAIR FOR SIX FRANCHISES. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT BRINGING THAT, THAT MONEY, UH, THE DOLLARS TO, TO RICHARDSON, UH, NOT ONLY WITH THE EMPLOYEES, UH, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY OUR PROPERTY TAX WILL GO UP, UM, BUT THE EMPLOYEES, UH, STAYING HERE IN RICHARDSON AND SPENDING MONEY IN RICHARDSON, UH, IS A VERY POSITIVE THING, UH, AS FAR AS THE COOLEY'S, YOU KNOW, ARE LOOKING AT THEIR INVESTMENT. 
          SO, SO CLAY AND CHASE HAVE MADE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN RICHARDSON. 
          UM, WE'RE EXCITED FOR THE FUTURE. 
          UH, THE MAYOR, UH, IN THE WORKSHOP KEPT TALKING ABOUT VISION, UM, OUR VISION, UM, WITH OUR DEALERSHIP. 
          AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP IS THE LARGEST VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          SO OUR GOAL IS TO BE NUMBER ONE IN SALES AND SERVICE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE'VE GOT A HUGE VISION AND, UM, 
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I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND, UM, ANYTHING I CAN ANSWER, I'D BE GLAD TO. 
          THANK YOU MR. DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WHAT ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF, UH, SORT OF, UH, RE RE RENOVATING THE, THE BUILDINGS AND, AND HAVE YOU ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANNING FOR THE BUILDINGS, UH, FOR THE BODY SHOP? WELL, FOR, OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL THAT A COMPLEX YEAH, A COMPLEX, YES. 
          MM-HMM,  WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S MANY NEEDS HERE. 
          UH, YOU SEE THIS HUGE BUILDING WE HAVE, BUT UH, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR OUR ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT OVER THERE. 
          THE VEHICLE STORAGE ON, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT ONE. 
          UM, WE NEED THE EXTRA PARKING TO BE NUMBER ONE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          AND IN THE TOP FIVE IN THE COUNTRY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOCK, UH, 400 PLUS UNITS. 
          SO THERE ARE 62 PARKING SPACES IN THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT, ONE, WHICH WE DESPERATELY WILL NEED HERE. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU COMPLETE THE, UH, THE PROJECT LIKE WE DID TODAY, WHEN WE GOT THE CO WE TURN THAT INTO VOLKSWAGEN AND THEY GIVE US AN OPEN ALLOCATION FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          SO BASED ON WHAT WE SELL, THEY WILL ALLOCATE THOSE VEHICLES TO US. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE WILL JUMP DRASTICALLY IN THE, IN THE SALES VOLUME, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE MERCHANDISE TO BE ABLE TO TURN THE INVENTORY. 
          SO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT ONE, THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT PARKING LOT'S FOR. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE SECOND BUILDING WE'VE GOT, UH, THE BODY PARTS. 
          SO WITH SIX FRANCHISES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOCK FENDERS, DOORS, HOODS, TRUNKS, AND THAT'LL ALL BE DEPARTMENTALIZED IN THAT, UH, IN THAT SECOND BUILDING THERE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA NEED THE, TO BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE TO CARRY THE BODY PARTS FOR, FOR, UH, THE, THE DEALERSHIPS BRINGING THE VEHICLES TO US. 
          UM, AND THAT ALSO WILL BE, THE ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT WILL BE IN THAT BUILDING. 
          IT WAS EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS IS WHAT CLASSIC HAD THEIR, THEIR LAYOUT IS, IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO IT OTHER THAN THE STORAGE IN THE THIRD BUILDING. 
          AND WE WILL BE STORING ALL FILES FOR ALL 18 DEALERSHIPS. 
          SO YOU SAY, WELL, THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE. 
          WELL, IT'S GONNA FILL UP PRETTY QUICK WHEN WE, UH, START BRINGING ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP BY LAW, UH, IN THAT, IN THAT FACILITY THERE. 
          SO IT'LL BE DEPARTMENTALIZED WITH EACH FRANCHISE AND EACH DEALERSHIP. 
          AND, UH, AND THAT'LL BE THE STORAGE THERE. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE BODY SHOP FOR REPAIRS. 
          SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE BRINGING ALL 18 DEALERSHIPS, ALL THE, THE, THE FILE SYSTEM. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IS THIS GONNA BECOME SORT OF A, A, A JOINT OR CO UH, CORPORATE OFFICE? WELL, IT WON'T BE A CORPORATE OFFICE. 
          OUR CORPORATE OFFICE IS IN IRVING, SO NO, IT WON'T BE MOVED THERE. 
          BUT, UH, THE PROBLEM, ALL OF OUR DEALERSHIPS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE STORAGE FOR FILES. 
          SO THERE'S, EVERYTHING'S ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH METROPLEX. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BRING IT ALL AND CENTRALIZE IT, AND THAT WAY ACCOUNTING CAN HAVE A QUICKER ACCESS TO FILES OR ANY OTHER NEED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, AND I'M ONLY SAYING THIS OUT LOUD SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR. 
          SO DEVELOPMENT ONE'S MAINLY GONNA BE PARKING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, SORT OF SHOWROOM AREA OUT EX OUTSIDE SHOWROOM, UH, DEVELOPMENT TWO IS GONNA BE OFFICES AND BODY PARTS. 
          WE'RE YOU'RE STORING THOSE IN THAT BUILDING? YES, SIR. 
          AND THEN BUILDING, UH, DEVELOPMENT THREE, BUILDING TWO IS OF COURSE YOUR, UH, DETAIL, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE DETAIL. 
          YEAH, THE DETAIL. 
          LIKE I SAID, WINDOW TINT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING LIKE, WELL STRIPING. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S GOT THE, THE SAND TRAPS AND, AND IT'S, EVERYTHING'S THERE. 
          WE DIDN'T CHANGE. 
          WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO IF, IF WE DID WANT TO DO, UH, OIL CHANGES AND, AND HAVE TANKS AND STUFF, THAT'S, THAT'S THERE. 
          AND, AND IT DID PASS AN ENVIRONMENTAL WHEN WE GOT OUR LOAN FOR THE FACILITY. 
          SO WE'RE GREEN. 
          THAT'S THAT BE MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          YES, YES. 
          UM, AND ARE, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS ON PROVIDING ANY, UM, ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS FOR THE COMPOUND, UM, FOR DRIVE UP APPEAL? I MEAN, I, I REALIZE IT'S A AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP, BUT RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS ON, UH, EXTERIOR FACADES OR ANY MATERIAL CHANGES OR, UM, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, ET CETERA? WELL, VOLKSWAGEN, VOLKSWAGEN BRAND REQUIRED JUST THE BUILDING TO BE WHITE, WHICH IT IS. 
          AND, UH, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I SAID WE WOULD REPAINT IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA CLEAN UP THE LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN. 
          I MEAN, WE NEED THIS, I MEAN, FOR CLAY TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY TO BUY THAT FACILITY BASED ON OUR PROJECTED GROWTH, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, SO, IF, IF THERE'S A FACADE ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, IT WASN'T DISCUSSED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SURELY CONSIDER WHAT, YOU KNOW, 
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WHAT THE CITY THINKS WE SHOULD DO WITH THE, WITH THE FACADE. 
          NO, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I, I'M ONLY ASKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FULL CITY BLOCK AND IT IS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY WE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WOULD LIKE IT TO LOOK ATTRACTIVE, OF COURSE, NO MATTER WHAT BUSINESS IT IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'M JUST ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT THAT YOU ARE INVESTING THIS MONEY IN RICHARDSON, WHICH IS VERY APPRECIATIVE, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT BLOCK IS, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME GOOD DRIVE UP APPEAL. 
          AND I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME APPROPRIATE, UH, EXTERIOR ABSOLUTELY. 
          ENHANCEMENTS COULD MAKE IT LOOK ATTRACTIVE. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE, WE'RE BENEFITING A CITY'S BENEFITING AND, AND, AND SO ARE YOU BY, YOU KNOW, CREATING THOSE ENHANCEMENTS NORMALLY. 
          UM, IT'S JUST LIKE THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH SAY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, THAT BEAUTIFUL DEALERSHIP. 
          IT WAS ALL VOLKSWAGEN BRAND. 
          SURE. 
          SO, MATTER OF FACT, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT A MURAL IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          I PUSHED FOR THAT. 
          I WENT ALL THE WAY UP AND THEY SAID, THAT DOES NOT MEET VOLKSWAGEN BRAND STANDARDS. 
          SO THEY, THEY SHOT ME DOWN. 
          SO EVERY PIECE OF FURNITURE, EVERY OFFICE, EVERYTHING WAS PRE-APPROVED FROM VOLKSWAGEN AS A REQUIREMENT ON THEIR BRAND STANDARDS. 
          SO IT WASN'T LIKE CLAY. 
          AND I COULD, UH, SIT DOWN AND GO, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE, WE'RE GONNA PUT A GREEN WALL HERE. 
          IT'S ALL WE'RE BASED ON WHAT VOLKSWAGEN BRAND. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE BODY SHOP WITH THEM, THEY SAID, IT JUST HAS TO BE WHITE. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TRIMMED. 
          OF COURSE, THEY WANT THE VOLKSWAGEN EMBLEM ON IT, YOU KNOW, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS OTHER THAN IT'S GOTTA MATCH THE VOLKSWAGEN BUILDING AND WE WANT IT TO BE WHITE. 
          WE WERE GONNA TEAR OUT ALL THE LANDSCAPE. 
          IT'S, IT'S HORRIFYING. 
          SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, EVEN THE STORAGE LOT AND, UH, IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE BACKSIDE OF WHERE THE, UH, THE PAINT BOOTHS ARE ON THE BODY SHOP, UM, THERE'S AN OLD FENCE BACK THERE. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IT WAS THERE. 
          AND ONE OF THE, UH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MENTIONED, UH, ABOUT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE FENCE. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE IT DOWN AND THERE'S SOME, SOME OTHER AREAS IN THE FENCE THAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FIX TO MAKE IT PRESENTABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CLEAN UP THE LOTS. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, THAT'S WHO WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST EVERYTHING IS CONCEALED. 
          SO I WOULD, AND PART OF THAT COMMENT IS TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF SCREENING WALLS OR FENCING WITH SOME ARTIFICIAL, YOU KNOW, FOLIAGE OR WHATEVER, JUST AGAIN, TO ENHANCE THE ARCHITECTURAL APPEAL OF IT, UM, WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. 
          I HAVE ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          UH, YOU MENTIONED THE EMPLOYEES, UM, YOU HAVE 78 AND YOU'RE ADDING 30 MORE. 
          UM, IT, IT'LL BE 50, 50,000. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ARE THOSE EMPLOYEES, DO THOSE, DO THEY LIVE HERE IN RICHARDSON? WOULD THEY BE RELOCATING? UM, SEVERAL WILL BE RELOCATING. 
          'CAUSE I'M, UH, I'M TRANSFERRING, UH, SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES FROM THE OTHER FACILITIES TO HELP STAFF THIS, UH, GROUP. 
          AND, UM, FEEDING SIX, UH, UH, DEALERSHIPS IS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY AND ABOUT BODY SHOPS. 
          UM, IT'S ALL ABOUT TIME. 
          I MEAN, QUALITY IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT THE TIME IS A HUGE THING. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A CAR DOWN, A CUSTOMER CAR, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BRING THEIR CUSTOMER CARS, IF THAT VEHICLE'S DOWN FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT BOILS DOWN TO PEOPLE. 
          AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO WORK ON THE VEHICLES, THEN WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM. 
          SO WE WILL PROBABLY, UM, I KNOW OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE RUNNING CAPACITY RIGHT NOW, SO WE'VE DOUBLED THAT SHOP. 
          WE WENT FROM 26 STALLS TO 52, AND WE'VE ALREADY HIRED, UH, EIGHT MORE TECHNICIANS ALREADY BEFORE WE'VE EVEN OPENED. 
          AND WE, WE GOT THE CO TODAY. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT ALL EIGHT OF THOSE TECHNICIANS ARE MOVING TO THIS AREA BECAUSE THEY'RE IN MANSFIELD. 
          THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE, FORT WORTH. 
          AND THEY'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT MOVING HERE. 
          SO YES. 
          UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU A PERCENTAGE. 
          UH, MY GUESSTIMATE WOULD PROBABLY BE AT LEAST 50% WILL BE, WILL BE MOVING RELOCATING TO RICHARDSON JUST BECAUSE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE DEALERSHIP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, FIRST THANK YOU FOR THE INVESTMENT. 
          IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE CITY. 
          I JUST WANNA BETTER UNDERSTAND SORT OF ALONG THE, THE LINES OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCILMAN DORIAN WAS ASKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MURAL, I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T DO IT ON YOUR BUILDING. 
          WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE ORIGINAL CASE, UM, BUT ON, ON DEVELOPMENT TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, IT, THAT'S GONNA BE FILE STORAGE. 
          I ASSUME THAT'S NOT ONLY VOLKSWAGEN, UH, FILE STORAGE, YOU SAID IT WAS ALL OF YOUR, IT'LL BE ALL 18 FRANCHISES. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS ON A, ON A BUILDING LIKE THAT, THAT BACKS UP TO OUR INNER URBAN PARK, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          AND PART OF OUR VISION 
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FOR THIS AREA IS SORT OF EDGY DESIGN AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          SO I'M, I'M WONDERING IF ON A BUILDING LIKE THAT, THAT BACKS UP TO A PARK, UM, WHERE PEOPLE RUN ALONG THE TRAIL, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HONORING YOUR, YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE CITY, BUT ALSO TRYING TO AT LEAST BRING IN PART OF OUR SORT OF REDEVELOPMENT AND VISION FOR THIS AREA. 
          SO WOULD, WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE POSSIBLE ON DEVELOPMENT TWO, FOR EXAMPLE? WELL, I WOULD LOVE THAT. 
          UM, THE CHALLENGE IS WE ARE AN EXTENSION OF THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP, SO ANYTHING THAT WE DO, WE HAVE TO PROPOSE TO VOLKSWAGEN, IT, IT CAN'T BE SECTIONED OUT FOR ONE PIECE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT, I MEAN, I WILL DEFINITELY PROPOSE WHATEVER YOU SUGGEST. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF VOLKSWAGEN WITH THEIR BRAND IMAGE, IF THEY'LL LET US DO THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, LIKE THEY SAID, WE WANT THE BUILDING WHITE. 
          THEY CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, OKAY, UH, IT WAS WHITE, WE'RE GONNA REPAINT IT. 
          BUT, UH, I CAN, I COULD SURE. 
          RUN ANY SUGGESTIONS UP TO THEM. 
          THE PROBLEM IS I'M POWERLESS. 
          UH, WELL, MR. COOLEY'S POWERLESS WHEN, WHEN WE'RE MEETING VOLKSWAGEN BRAND AND IT'S, SEE IF IT WAS SEPARATE AND IT WASN'T AN EXTENSION OF THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP, I THINK THAT COULD BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. 
          'CAUSE WE COULD DO WHAT WE WANTED. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S, IT'S AS, AS THE VOLKSWAGEN RICHARDSON FACILITY THAT, THAT BRAND IMAGING. 
          SO I WILL TRY. 
          UM, BUT UH, THE PROBLEM IS IT IS THEY'RE ALL INCLUSIVE OF EACH OTHER. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL HAPPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I'LL TRY. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY 3000 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT, TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, IS VOLKSWAGEN SPECIFIC. 
          I GET THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON VOLKSWAGEN CARS THERE IN THE BAYS, BUT 27,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT BUILDING IS FILE STORAGE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO VOLKSWAGEN. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD SOMEHOW PARSE THAT OUT WITH VOLKSWAGEN, THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING THAT HONORS THE VISION OF THIS AREA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I I I FULLY UNDERSTAND, YOU'LL, YOU'LL PAINT IT AND YOU'LL MAKE IT LOOK NICE AND IT'LL, IT'LL FIT IN WITH THE, THE CURRENT DEALERSHIP. 
          UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A VISION FOR THIS AREA. 
          AND I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT, THAT, TO USE A A WORD, AGAIN, IT COULD BE SYMBIOTIC, RIGHT? YOU COULD HELP US ACHIEVE THAT VISION BY SORT OF, UM, CREATING, UM, BETTER STREETSCAPING AND AN ECLECTIC STYLE THAT BACKS UP TO THIS GREAT LINEAR PARK THAT WE HAVE UNDER THE DART RAIL. 
          UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMMITMENT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, ON DEVELOPMENT TOO, UM, AT A MINIMUM, JUST SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING TOWARDS OUR VISION. 
          UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY INITIAL THOUGHT. 
          I'LL LET OTHERS, IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS, MAKE COMMENTS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, STREETSCAPING AND SOMETHING THAT, THAT SORT OF IS ECLECTIC THERE, UM, TO TRY AND TO MEET THE VISION WOULD, UM, BE DESIRED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND WOULD BE TO REPL THAT WHOLE SECTION. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE COULD GET IT, CUT IT OUTTA THE VOLKSWAGEN BRAND IMAGING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN PULL THAT OFF, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO REPL IT TO WHERE IT'S NOT PART OF THAT EXTENSION. 
          THAT THAT'S ONLY THAT COMES TO MY MIND, AND I'LL, I'LL SURE GIVE IT A SHOT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT, BUT I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO GET WITH, UH, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT'S THEIR WHEELHOUSE. 
          THAT'S NOT MINE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS JUST REPL THAT AND DO WHAT WE WANT WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW SAM OR DON, LIKE HOW DIFFICULT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE, BUT, UM, IF THAT MEANS THAT WE GET TO SORT OF LIVE UP TO PART OF THE VISION FOR THIS AREA, I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE SORT OF A MASSIVE EXPENSE AND DELAY, UM, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I, I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I JUST GONNA MAKE THAT COMMENT AGAIN, THAT, UM, TO THAT POINT, IF, IF THAT BUILDING WERE TO BE, I MEAN, I, RIGHT NOW, SINCE IT'S ONE PLAT, IT'S YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE REGULATIONS, RULES AND REGULATIONS OF VOLKSWAGEN. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST TAKE THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE UTILIZING FOR THE DEALERSHIP. 
          THEY'RE, YOU'RE SORT OF FORCED INTO TAKING ALL THREE BUILDINGS. 
          I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO TAKE THAT BUILDING AND WELL, LEMME SAY THIS, UTILIZE IT THAT WAY. 
          NOW THAT WE'VE WE'RE FINISHING THE CONSTRUCTION LOAN, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE PUT IN ONE LOAN. 
          SO THIS, THIS, ALL OF THIS PROPERTY WILL BE IN ONE LOAN. 
          THE CLE VOLKSWAGEN RICHARDSON WILL BE PAYING. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES. 
          UM, AND, AND WE'D LOVE NOTHING MORE TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY ASKS US TO DO. 
          BUT, UH, I, I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT AND JUST SEE, YOU KNOW, REPLAY. 
          I, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT'D WORK. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I COULD KEEP 
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THAT LOAN, ALL THE PIECES, YOU KNOW, WITH ONE LOAN VERSUS HAVING TO PULL A PIECE OUT AND THEN HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE LOAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          WELL, I, I, I MEAN, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PLATING, BUT GENERALLY, IF THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, FUNDING THIS AND, AND THE LOAN'S UNDER REVIEW AT THE MOMENT, I'M SORRY. 
          IS THE LOAN UNDER REVIEW? UH, NO, IT'S NOT UNDER REVIEW. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DONE. 
          IT'S DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEORETICALLY YOU COULD GO BACK AND REPL THAT, THAT PARCEL, BUT I MAY HAVE TO TAKE IT OUTTA MY LOAN BECAUSE IT WON'T BE, IT WON'T BE PART OF THE VOLKSWAGEN RICHARDSON ENTITY. 
          SO, CAN, CAN I ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? WHEN YOU SAY REPL, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REPRE PLATING DEVELOPMENT TWO, UH, SEPARATE FROM ONE AND THREE, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REPRE PLATTING DEVELOPMENT TWO INTO TWO PARCELS? WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TWO PARCELS BECAUSE THE BODY SHOP'S THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE JUST THE STORAGE. 
          SO, SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, UH, CAUTION EVERY, EVERYONE AND FRANK CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT WHEN YOU APPLY A SINGLE BUILDING INTO TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, YOU'RE GONNA TRIGGER ALL KINDS OF OTHER BUILDING CODE, UH, ISSUES. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THIS IS, THIS COULD WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU UTTERED AS A POSSIBLE SUGGESTION COULD BE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. 
          I, I KNOW THAT. 
          YEAH, I KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHY I JUST CAUTION, LIKE I, I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER CONSIDERATION THAN WHAT YOU, YOU'D PROBABLY BE PREPARED TO AGREE TO TONIGHT. 
          IS THAT TRUE? YES. 
          I, BECAUSE I DON'T, I'M, I'M GOING INTO AN AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH MR. CHU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, I HAVE A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THOSE THINGS LATER. 
          BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA BE, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHITE PAINT THAT YOU'RE TALKING, I MEAN, YOU'RE DISCUSSING, UH, THE COLOR, THE PAINT COLOR. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE. 
          THE ISSUE IS PROBABLY THE, YOU CAN UPGRADE THIS THING WITH DIFFERENT KIND OF BUILDING MATERIAL. 
          UH, IT COULD BE STILL WHITE COLOR BUILDING MATERIAL. 
          IT COULD BE A STONE THAT YOU PUT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SACRIFICE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOX WAGON BRAND THAT YOU HAVE THAT WHITE THINGS. 
          BUT YOU COULD PUT ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT KIND OF MATERIAL LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, STONE BLOCK, GIVE DIFFERENT TEXTURE, DIFFERENT, UH, BREAK IN THE LINE. 
          I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT STORE IN CALIFORNIA, AND ALSO WE HAVE HOME DEPOT STORE IN RICHARDSON. 
          UH, SO IT'S TOTALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MATCHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO SOMETHING PROBABLY IT CAN DO WITHOUT REPL, WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE BRAND ISSUE. 
          UH, IS IT NOT POSSIBLE? I I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, WE, HE PAID 5.7 MILLION FOR THE, FOR THE BUILDING. 
          WE'VE GOT $1.2 MILLION IN FF AND E WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVESTING IN. 
          WE'RE, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 
          AND WE DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT YOU ASK US TO DO. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS MAKING THE BUILDING LOOK DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S, UH, UH, IT'S JUST MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GOT TO START MAKING MONEY TO, TO COVER, TO COVER THIS INVESTMENT. 
          IT'S HUGE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN, RICHARDSON HAD THIS, UH, PLANNING FOR THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME, SO THIS IS NOT SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT INCLUDES YOU. 
          SO YOU KNEW THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          UH, AND THIS IS, WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, HOW THIS IS GONNA END UP, BUT THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THE EQUATION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW THIS PLANNING WAS DONE IN THE PAST AND HOW WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT WITHOUT SACRIFICING EVERYTHING. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT CONSIDERING HERE AND ALL THIS BUSINESS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, BUT I THINK TO ME, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO TO KEEP FOCUS ON THE BIGGER PLAN. 
          UH, SO IF WE CAN ACHIEVE ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, UH, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, JOIN THE TEAM. 
          SO WHAT WOULD BE, LET ME ASK Y'ALL. 
          I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF THE, OF THE, WHAT THE, THE FACILITY LOOKS LIKE? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS? I MEAN, I'M NOT, MAYBE I'M, THERE'S A DISCONNECT THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, GOING TO HOME DEPOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA HELP ME, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF CREWS WORKING ON, ON DEALERSHIPS. 
          WHAT WOULD BE YOUR VISION AS A GROUP? WHAT DO YOU WANT THAT FACILITY TO LOOK LIKE INSIDE? IT CAN DO, NOBODY'S GOING TO DICTATE HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE YOUR BUSINESS, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING, 
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UH, YOU KNOW HOW YOU HAVE ALL THIS SET UP. 
          THAT'S TOTALLY, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL OR EVEN MYSELF CAN EVEN DICTATE ANYTHING. 
          SO THOSE ARE TOTAL DIFFERENT. 
          BUT THE THING IS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED NEXT DOOR TO YOU IN THE FUTURE, I WANT THAT STILL. 
          THEY WOULD COME AND DO THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, HESITATING SAYING THAT, OH, THIS LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PICTURE THAT YOU SHOW SOME, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THERE IS TERRIBLE. 
          I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN THERE, BUT NOBODY'S THINKING OR ENVISIONING THAT THIS WILL BE THERE IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE ARE HOPING THAT THOSE WIRE FANS, THOSE ARE GONNA BE GONE, IS GONNA LOOK MUCH BETTER. 
          UH, PEOPLE WILL BE COMING AND INVESTING IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LONG RUN. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WAY IF YOU LEAVE THE BUILDING AS IS JUST PAINTING, TO ME, IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. 
          I MEAN, UH, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING MORE ATTRACTIVE. 
          UH, BUT, UH, IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR, FOR OUR, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE ARE IN A CHALLENGE POSITION, UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS IS UPGRADED, BUILDING FROM OUTSIDE, UH, LANDSCAPE, UH, YOU KNOW, MUCH BETTER. 
          UH, AND, UM, THAT WOULD GO WITH THE BIGGER VISION. 
          IF YOU CAN BLEND THE WHOLE THING WITH THE OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING. 
          BUT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE, I DON'T SEE YOU HAVE ANYMORE, UH, NO OTHER RENDERING, NO OTHER SKETCH. 
          NO, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A RENDERING. 
          WE OBVIOUSLY, UH, UH, WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'RE COMING TO YOU. 
          UM, THEN THERE'S A PROCESS, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PROCESS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT ISN'T, I JUST CAN'T GET THE CO I'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES AND, AND WE WERE OPEN. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN. 
          I JUST DON'T, I'M NOT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF VISION YOU HAVE FOR WHAT THE BUILDING YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE. 
          I MEAN, IF I COULD GET AN IDEA, OR IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE Y'ALL RENDERINGS, I, I GUESS I COULD GIVE WITH AN ARCHITECT AND COME UP WITH SOME RENDERINGS. 
          BUT I MEAN, I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. 
          IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OR YOUR VISION OF WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OPEN TO A DISCUSSION. 
          NO, YOU GOT A GOOD POINT. 
          BUT THE THING IS, AND I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK I SHOULD GIVE YOU EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE THERE IS MANY WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT KIND OF THINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ULTIMATELY HOW YOU GONNA BE DOING THAT, BECAUSE I CAN'T DICTATE ANYTHING, UH, WHAT YOU WANT, THE BILLING MATERIAL OR ANYTHING. 
          BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A PLAN FOR THAT AREA, AND WE JUST WANT SOMETHING THAT GOES WITH THE PLAN SO WE CAN ADJUST SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, IDEA THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT DECISION, BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SACRIFICE THE WHOLE THING THAT WE HAVE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A VISION. 
          IT'S A, IT IS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU BUILD SOMETHING THERE, THESE THINGS, AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT NOT HAPPEN NEXT DOOR. 
          THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          AND, UH, THAT AREA RIGHT NOW IS NEXT TO OUR DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, RICHARD HAS A DOWNTOWN. 
          IF YOU DON'T, YOU ARE NOT THAT DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          I'M NOT POINTING ANYTHING, ANYONE, BUT I LOVE TO SEE A DOWNTOWN IN RICHARD. 
          AND, UH, AND, UH, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          SO WE WANT SOMETHING IN DOWNTOWN THAT LOOKS LIKE A DOWNTOWN, UH, NOT JUST, JUST ONE HUGE THINGS RIGHT THERE. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD, CAN I, CAN I HELP ADD ONTO THAT? I MEAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, CHU BECAUSE I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A VISION FOR A REDEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AREA. 
          AND, AND RIGHT NOW, I GUESS WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS IS THAT IS ON A FOUR, UH, THAT'S ON A ONE BLOCK RADIUS, AND IT'S, IT'S LANDLOCKED. 
          SO TO THAT POINT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DAVIS AND JACKSON AND INTERURBAN AND BISHOPS, THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, AS WE REBUILD RICHARDSON'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND REDEVELOPMENT AND, UH, INITIATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE WAY, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, ELEVATED TENANTS TO COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, RE UH, RECONDITION, UH, AND RENOVATE THOSE AREAS AND, OR BUILD, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW YET. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY LOOKING FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO, AND THEN INTERURBAN IS PART OF OUR, UM, CORE DISTRICT, AND IT, IT HAS A VISION FOR, UM, THE ARTS. 
          UM, AS, AS COUNCILMAN, UM, JUSTICE SAID THAT, THAT INTERURBAN IS CONSIDERED, UH, UH, PART OF OUR ARTIST, UH, UH, OUR ARTIST ROW. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ARTWORK OR SOME OTHER EXTERIOR LANDSCAPING, THAT WOULD BE NICE. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY WAY, IF WE COULD, IF WE WERE AS A COUNCIL, WOULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY, 
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YOU KNOW, APPROVING THIS, WOULD WE, FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO BE PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN, UM, CONTEXT TO WHERE IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE DETAILS? AND I, AND, AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. 
          I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE INVESTMENT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO RICHARDSON. 
          I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE VISION. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET OTHER, UM, BUSINESSES THAT CAN MOVE INTO THE AREA THAT WILL ENHANCE THAT AREA AS WELL. 
          YEAH, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, WE, WE WANT, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, WE WOULD WANT THIS PROPERTY TO BECOME A CATALYST FOR OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S THE IDEA. 
          THAT'S THIS AMAZING IMPROVEMENT YOU WOULD MAKE TO THESE THREE, YOU KNOW, SECTIONS HERE WOULD THEN MAKE THE FOLKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DAVIS AND OTHER PARTS OF THIS WANT TO REINVEST AND UPDATE THEIR BUILDINGS. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SORT OF THE MESSAGE THAT YOU'RE HEARING IS LIKE, HOW, HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? BUT YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I, I THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          I, I DO WANNA REMIND YOU THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED, UM, BY STATE LAW TO PUT ANY KIND OF RESTRICTION AROUND BUILDING MATERIAL AESTHETIC COMPONENTS OR ANY OTHER, UM, UH, ELEMENT THAT KIND OF IS BEING DISCUSSED AS PART OF A MANDATE IN A, IN A ZONING CASE. 
          UM, THAT STATE LAW HAS BEEN AROUND NOW FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS, AND SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. 
          WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN APPROVED SITE OR LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, ON, ON, ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT WOULD BE VERY COMMON FOR WHAT WE FIND IN, IN THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT, UM, UM, DUE TO THE AGE OF THE PROPERTIES AND, AND WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPED. 
          UM, AND SO THE LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, INSPECTION WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ENSURING WHAT'S THERE NOW IS HEALTHY IN A GOOD CONDITION. 
          UH, JUST A QUICK LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 10% OF THE TOTAL AREA OF THE PROPERTY THAT ACTUALLY IS LANDSCAPED AT THIS TIME. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING TO DISCUSS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD JUST STATE THE OBVIOUS, I MEAN, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT USE IS PROPOSED FOR THE BUILDING, NOT ABOUT WHAT THE, THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE OR ANY OTHER FACADE FEATURE ON IT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ZONING, UM, THAT, THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE, THAT WE COULD INCLUDE AS A REQUIREMENT TO THAT END BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, UH, LEGISLATIVE ACT THAT, THAT THE STATE TOOK ABOUT TWO TERMS AGO, TWO SESSIONS AGO. 
          COULD, COULD I ASK A QUESTION, MR. MAGNER? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SOLVES THE PROBLEM OR HELPS GENERATE, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S A FENCE THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN. 
          YES. 
          IT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          YES. 
          AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IT WAS, IT'S A VERY LOW FENCE, BUT DRIVING AROUND THE PROPERTY, I SAW OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO, OKAY, MY QUESTION, I GUESS I TAKE THIS PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I, I HANDLE THIS. 
          SO, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THIS WHOLE, UH, AREA IN RICHARDSON, THIS IS, THIS IS MOM, ME. 
          SO WOULD, WOULD THE VOLKSWAGEN CORPORATION ALLOW YOU TO DECORATE A FENCE? MAYBE YOU HAVE AN ART FENCE AROUND IT THAT WOULD FACE OUT THERE. 
          WHY? I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT THAT'S A HAPPY MEDIUM. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A ANSWER OR NOT. 
          LIKE, LIKE A SCREENING WALL. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE, WELL, IT'S A SCREENING WALL, BUT IT ALSO WOULD BE A PLACE TO PUT THE ART, IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE WANTING. 
          I'M JUST THROWING OUT A IDEA BECAUSE WE CAN'T MANDATE 'EM TO DO IT ON THE BUILDING. 
          VOLKSWAGEN'S NOT GONNA LET 'EM PUT IT ON THE BUILDING. 
          SO I WAS JUST COMING UP WITH MAYBE A HAPPY MEDIUM THAT MIGHT NOT BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO DO. 
          MAYBE IT'S A WRAP FENCE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE ANSWER. 
          YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HURRICANE FENCE THAT'S, UH, ON THE STORAGE LOT, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY TWO SMALL OTHER PIECES OF FENCING, UH, NEXT TO THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY THERE. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, THAT WOULD BE FENCE WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT FACES OUT TOWARDS THE PARK, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THAT'S JUST A SMALL FENCED AREA THERE. 
          WELL, COULD IT BECOME A FENCED AREA? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD, AND THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, UH, MAYOR, I MEAN, THAT, THAT CORNER THERE IN THE EVENT WE, YOU DID HAVE A, A DECORATIVE FITS. 
          WE'LL CALL IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SOMETHING JUST, I DON'T KNOW, TO DRESS IT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T DICTATE THE LANDSCAPING DIRECTION. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M BACK TO THANKING YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT, AND WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, JUST KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN AND MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU CAN DO ON YOUR OWN. 
          AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU YEAH. 
          WE HAVE YOUR WORD THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE RULES THAT WERE SET FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          I'LL GO ON RECORD TO SAY WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TEAR THE LANDSCAPING OUT AND COMPLETELY REDO THE LANDSCAPING. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS A CLAY COOLEY PRESENTABLE FACILITY. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S UGLY. 
          I MEAN, LET'S FACE IT. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          BUT I, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS DOING SOMETHING TO THE BUILDING, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE GO DOWN THE WRONG ROAD, 
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AND I GET PHONE CALL FROM ONE OF Y'ALL SAYING, HEY, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          THEN, THEN WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO? I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE. 
          AND I'VE KNOWN CLAY FOR 20 YEARS. 
          HE'S, HE'S GONNA DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S COMMITTED, HE'S COMMITTED TO RICHARDSON. 
          HE'S, HE'S, UH, HE'S GOING FOR IT, MR. BAR. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU, I WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION 'CAUSE YOU, YOU ASKED THIS QUESTION AND YES SIR, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS GOES BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? SO YOU ASKED US, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FOR ME? UM, THAT I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE I WANT TO SEE. 
          FOR ME, IT PURELY IS A USE ISSUE. 
          AND I'LL BE HONEST, WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION HERE IN A BIT, BUT I'M NOT TOO CRAZY ABOUT THE PROJECT OVERALL. 
          I FEEL LIKE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MEET YOU IN THE MIDDLE AND KIND OF EXTEND THAT OLIVE BRANCH BY, BY, UM, TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIT INTO THE LARGER VISION OF THE AREA. 
          SO I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT VISION, IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE ABOUT THE PHYSICAL PART. 
          I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BALANCE IT WITH WHAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING ON IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A NITPICK ABOUT THE BEAUTY OF IT. 
          UH, OR AT LEAST I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S THAT. 
          AND AT LEAST FOR ME, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILL ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A SEAT AND WE'LL OPEN THIS, UH, TO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SEE IF WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS. 
          WE MAY ASK YOU TO COME BACK TO BE DETERMINED. 
          THANK YOU, MS. ER. 
          THERE ARE NO CARDS, MAYOR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE'S NO CARD. 
          UH, NO CARDS. 
          ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? ALRIGHT, SEEING DONE, MR. HUTCHIN RIDER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          GOT A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          COULD I GET A SECOND, MR. CORCORAN? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNSEL, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION OF SOME NATURE. 
          JOE, MR. CORCORAN, I THINK YOU FIRST, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO MOTION. 
          JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE THIS AS PRESENTED AS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WOULD APPROVE BASED ON THE USE. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY PULLED UP A, AN ARTICLE FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS HERE FROM BACK IN 2015 WHERE, UH, TINA FERGUS USED TO WORK HERE, I THINK SHE SAID, UM, ABOUT THE VISION FOR THIS AREA. 
          SHE WAS QUOTED AS SAYING SHE WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE PROCESS TOOK TWO DECADES OR LONGER FOR THIS TO REALLY TURN INTO THE VISION THAT WE LAID FORTH BACK THEN AND HAVE REFINED A LITTLE BIT SINCE THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LITERALLY TAKING UP A HUGE BLOCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF INTERURBAN. 
          WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING TO THAT REDEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH THAT COULD CATALYZE THIS INTO WHAT THAT VISION IS. 
          I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE USES, I FEEL LIKE THEY PUT A WALL THERE ALMOST THAT, THAT BLOCK ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY'S VISION FOR AN URBAN GOING NORTH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE THIS TIME TO SEE IF THAT VISION PLAYS OUT, ESPECIALLY AS INTEREST RATES FALL OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS AND SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS BECOME MORE VIABLE. 
          UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HANDICAP THE VISION. 
          AND I'LL KIND OF CONTRAST THIS WITH THE CITY LINE VOTE THAT WE TOOK WHERE WE, WE WAITED FOR THAT VISION TO PLAY OUT AND YEARS AND YEARS WENT BY AND THE RETAIL DIDN'T GO IN. 
          SO WE CHOSE TO MODIFY THE VISION A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS, AS A WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING ON, I, IF WE WANT TO RETOOL IT IN URBAN VISION. 
          BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE'LL ACHIEVE THAT VISION IF WE APPROVE THIS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SAY NO, BUT I, I WILL SAY SOME LITTLE COMPONENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE SEEN, RIGHT, LIKE SOME STUFF IN BUILDING TWO AND DEVELOPMENT THREE WITH, YOU KNOW, A DETAILING SHOP OR, UM, A REPAIR SHOP. 
          YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE THAT MAYBE TAKEN PIECE BY PIECE, BUT GIVEN THAT IT HAS TO BE THE WHOLE THING, EITHER BASED ON THE LOAN OR BASED ON THE CASE BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SEE IT. 
          UM, BUT IF WE DO DENY IT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ALL FOR DENYING IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, SO MAYBE IT COULD COME BACK AND BE RETOOLED, BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, I'M, I'M, NO, WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING, I'LL JUST SAY WHEN THIS PAST NINE YEARS AGO, THE COUNCIL LEFT IT OPEN ENDED TO WHERE THIS 
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SITE, THIS AREA WAS BY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR CAR DEALERSHIPS. 
          THEY LEFT IT OPEN AS A, AS A VISION THAT WAS PART OF THEIR VISION. 
          THEY DIDN'T EXCLUDE IT. 
          THEY LEFT IT TO WHERE IT COULD COME, EXCUSE ME, NOT BY RIGHT. 
          THEY LEFT IT WHERE IT COULD COME IN. 
          SO THEY DID, THAT WASN'T TOTALLY THEIR VISION TO BLOCK OUT A CAR DEALERSHIP, IN MY OPINION. 
          SO I I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU HAVE AN INVESTMENT AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMMITTED TO TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, I, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THE COUNCIL PROVED THE MAKEOVER OF THE VOLKSWAGEN PLACE. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT THEY DID WRONG WAS THEY LET SIX MONTHS LAPSE. 
          'CAUSE BY RIGHT. 
          THEY, THEY COULD DO ALL THAT STUFF IN THERE. 
          THEY JUST LET IT LAPSE THINKING THAT IT WAS ALL GONNA WORK TOGETHER. 
          SO ANYWAY, I I DON'T THINK THAT VISION'S CRYSTAL CLEAR IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO COME BACK AND, AND RETOOL IT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU MEAN THE AUTO, AN AUTO DEALERSHIP. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE APPROVING HERE THOUGH IS UM, IS NOT, IS NOT AN AUTO DEALERSHIP. 
          IT'S A VARIETY OF SORT OF ANCILLARY FACILITIES TO AN AUTO DEALERSHIP. 
          UM, AND, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WANTING TO KEEP WHEN IT WAS FOR THAT DIVISION WAS FORMED, I CAN UNDERSTAND WANTING TO KEEP THE EXISTING DEALERSHIPS INTACT, RIGHT. 
          THAT WERE THERE AND, AND NOT TRY TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE AT ALL. 
          JUST WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THE REST OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          GOING BACK TO YOUR DALLAS MORNING NEWS, UM, ARTICLE THAT YOU READ, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE TWO DECADES, WHAT IF WE WERE AS A COUNCIL TO PROPOSE THAT WE SAY IT'S OKAY NOW IN 10 YEARS, THEY GOTTA COME BACK IN FRONT OF US. 
          NO, I'M SAYING, I MEAN, BECAUSE WHERE WILL, WHERE, WHERE WILL WE BE IN 10 YEARS? WE DON'T KNOW. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL. 
          BUT WHAT IF WE SAID, OKAY, WE'LL LET 'EM DO IT, BUT IN 10 YEARS IT EXPIRES. 
          AND, AND SO IF THEY SIGN THAT DEAL, THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT THE MAKEUP IS AND WHO'S WILLING TO GO THERE AND WHO'S NOT WILLING TO GO THERE. 
          AND I BET YOU HE COULD SELL THAT PROPERTY JUST AS WELL. 
          10 YEARS IF INTEREST RATES DO WHAT YOU SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GREAT IDEA. 
          HAVING, LIKE, GIVING 10 YEARS AN OPTION. 
          LOOK BACK AFTER 10 YEARS, THIS IS JUST A TEMPORARY FOR 10 YEARS. 
          AND, UH, IF, IF THE, YOU KNOW, OVERALL VISION PLACE OUT THEN COULD BE CHANGED, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY OTHERWISE WOULD BE SITTING THERE FOR LONG TIME. 
          AND, UH, BUT IF WE, IF WE CAN GET BOTH WAY SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS, KNOWING THAT THIS COULD BE CHANGED IN 10 YEARS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE ABOUT THAT? ANY, ANY THOUGHT MR. BURGE? WELL, WELL, I DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE TO HIM, BUT I, WHEN HE GETS A RESPONSE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SPEAK NEXT. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD MAYOR AND, AND MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA SAY, YEAH, PUT IN ALL THIS MONEY TO REDEVELOP THESE PLACES AND WE'LL CALL IT BACK IN 10 YEARS AND DECIDE IF YOU CAN'T USE IT ANYMORE, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS A FAIR PROPOSITION TO EITHER US OR THE APPLICANT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT SAYING 10 YEARS ALSO PUTS THE BRAKES ON ANY POTENTIAL OTHER INVESTORS THAT ARE BINDING TO THAT VISION, UM, AND MAY DISSUADE THEM BECAUSE IT SHOWS US BEING AN UNSURE FOOTING ABOUT THE VISION OF THE AREA BY SAYING, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THIS BY 10 YEARS, COME BACK. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONLY, OR MY BIGGEST CONCERN THERE IS THE MESSAGE THAT SENDS TO PEOPLE JUST SOUTH OF THERE AND PEOPLE NORTH OF THERE. 
          MR. DORY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I, I COULD LEAN TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UM, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE, UM, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AGAIN, THERE'S A LARGE INVESTMENT HERE AND, AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND, AND FIT THE DIRECTION OF RICHARDSON. 
          UM, AND I WON'T JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST REPEATING IT OVER AGAIN. 
          BUT, UM, IF, IF WE WERE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS, UM, COULD WE GET SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW THE, UM, THE, THE LANDOWNERS, UM, TO PRESENT OR COME BACK AND, AND, AND, AND POTENTIALLY AFTER THEY WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH VOLKSWAGEN, 
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IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPTION OR, I MEAN, HOW DOES, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF I'M PUTTING IT IN THE RIGHT, UH, FORMAT OR THE RIGHT VERBIAGE, BUT JUST NO. 
          SO COUNCILMAN DORIAN WOULD, IF, IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO PROVIDE THE APPLICANT WITH ADDITIONAL TIME, PERHAPS TO KIND OF PERFECT THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, SHOW ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY INTEND TO MAKE ON THE SITE IN A, AN OFFICIAL SITE PLAN, UM, UM, MAYBE TALK TO VOLKSWAGEN AND, AND SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE. 
          THE BEST STRATEGY, I THINK WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THE CASE, UH, DATE SPECIFIC. 
          UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REPOSTING, BUT YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE COULD GIVE HIM FOUR WEEKS OR SIX WEEKS, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, AND THEN HAVE HIM BRING, BRING THAT BACK. 
          NOW AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US AT THAT POINT TO BE ABLE TO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING OR COLORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW, UM, FOR SAM AND HIS TEAM TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, FORMALIZE A APPROVED SITE PLAN, APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND, UM, AND, UH, GIVE OUR, GIVE OUR TEAM A CHANCE TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO, YOU KNOW, FROM A, BUT IT'S MORE OF A SITE, IT'S MORE OF A SITE PROCESS THAN IT IS A, A BUILDING PROCESS. 
          BUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY ALSO BE ABLE TO KIND OF SHARE WITH VOLKSWAGEN SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS A COUNCIL AND THEN SEE, SEE WHERE THAT COULD GO. 
          BUT I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T APPROVE IT. 
          THAT I WOULDN'T APPROVE IT AND THEN, UM, KIND OF AS, AS ASSUME ANYTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, AND I AGREE AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A SITE PLAN, UM, UM, WOULD BE, WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PROPOSE TO APPROVE WITH THAT CONDITION? WE WOULD POSTPONE IT. 
          POSTPONEMENT GOT IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, HE WAS NEXT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          UM, TO COUNCILMAN CORCORAN'S POINTS, UH, THIS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DISTRICT WITH BELTLINE IN MAINE COMING ONLINE. 
          THIS IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF CHINATOWN, TO THE NORTH. 
          THERE'S ALREADY SOME GREAT THINGS HAPPENING WITH ISLAND COFFEE WITH FOUR BULLETS, BREWERY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING MANY YEARS TO COME ONLINE, AND IT'S JUST THAT SUNLIGHT IS JUST STARTING TO CRACK OVER THE HORIZON. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE I KNOW A FEW MONTHS AGO WE SAW SOMETHING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS DISTRICT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T A BIG FAN OF, BUT THAT WAS ON THE VERY EDGE. 
          THIS ISN'T THE SAME BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THIS AND THE BLOCK SOUTH OF HERE IS TRULY THE HEART OF THIS. 
          AND BY NOT KEEPING WITH THAT VISION AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATING, YOU KNOW, SECONDARY USES, AND WE'RE LOOKING, WE AS A COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL ARE LOOKING AT THINGS IN A WAY THAT PERHAPS HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE TO BRING SOME OF THOSE VISIONS, UH, TO LIGHT. 
          I FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE PUTTING A NAIL IN THE HEART, PUTTING THE FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN FOR THIS AREA, RIGHT? AS THINGS ARE STARTING TO COME ONLINE. 
          THAT BELL LINE IN MAINE'S COMING ONLINE OR RECENTLY, WE WERE JUST, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE VISIONS SHARED WITH MAYBE HAVING SOME KIND OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COUNCIL THAT'S RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THAT. 
          AND I, AND I FEEL LIKE IF, WHILE THIS IS A HUGE INVESTMENT, AND OBVIOUSLY CLAY COOLEY HAS A GREAT HISTORY OF BEING A GREAT COMMUNITY MEMBER, OBVIOUSLY A SMART BUSINESSMAN, THIS IS A VERY STRATEGIC MOVE ON THEIR PART LOCATION WISE. 
          UH, I MEAN, FROM THE BUSINESS ASPECT, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE WHY THEY WOULD WANT RICHARDSON. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY FROM THE CITY SIDE, WE WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY. 
          WE WANT INVESTORS. 
          AND DEFINITELY IT'S PART OF OUR, OUR GOALS. 
          PART OF OUR GOALS, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND IT'S PART OF, PART OF THE, UM, AND WE WANT BUSINESSES WITH THAT EXPERIENCE, BUT EVEN THOUGH THEY BRING THAT, THAT IS NOT A GUARANTEE THAT WE FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          PLANS ARE CREATED FOR PEOPLE. 
          WE PLAN AROUND FOR RESIDENTS SO THAT WE CAN CREATE THIS BETTER ENVIRONMENT AND BUSINESS ARE PART OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AS THEY'RE IN ANY COMMUNITY, IN ANY COMMUNITY THAT HAS, AND WE IN RICHARDSON HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF HAVING THIS BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND WE WILL CONTINUE. 
          AS LONG AS I KNOW WE'RE A PART OF THIS COUNCIL, ALL OF US ON THIS COUNCIL HAVE THAT ATTITUDE. 
          I ALSO BELIEVE THAT SOME, HEARING MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES ON THIS COUNCIL, ALL OF US HAVE A LITTLE RED FLAG WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS IN OUR HEART AND OUR MINDS AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS. 
          THAT'S THAT GUT CHECK. 
          I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN VERY FEW TIMES WHERE WE'VE HAD THIS MANY PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE THIS MANY LITTLE RED FLAGS, 
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AND WE'RE THE, THE, THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THESE LITTLE RED FLAGS. 
          ARE WE ALL SWAYED AGAINST IT? NO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS LOCATION, AND I FEEL THAT IF WE MAKE THIS DECISION, WE NEED TO, WE'RE MAKING A, USE A DECISION BASED ON ITS USE AND THE USE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT SLIDE, UH, NINE, WE TALKED ABOUT AN EDGY MIXED USE DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS THE HEART OF THAT. 
          AND THERE'S NOTHING EDGY ABOUT A BODY SHOP THAT DOES NOT FLOW WITH BELTLINE IN MAINE. 
          IT DOESN'T FLOW WITH CHINATOWN, IT DOESN'T FLOW WITH WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED TO THE NORTH. 
          IT DOESN'T FLOW. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, UM, FROM THE VISION STANDPOINT. 
          SO I URGE US TO LOOK AT THAT, AND I URGE US TO, WE'VE BEEN PATIENT, PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE BEEN PATIENT, AND WE'RE RIGHT AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT THAT SUNSHINE COME THROUGH AND WE JUST NEED TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, Y'ALL. 
          UH, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS, THIS COULD BE A, UH, IF WE LET THIS THROUGH, I'VE GOT MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE, ANY CHANCE OF THIS AREA MOVING FORWARD, LIKE WHERE THIS ONE WAS, AND WE'RE AGAIN, GOING THROUGH THIS REVISIONING PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S BAD TIMING, IN MY OPINION, MS. JUSTICE, I'M GONNA EDIT MYSELF. 
          UM, I, I THINK, UM, I DISAGREE, UH, IS WHAT I'LL SAY. 
          I MEAN, I, YOU, AS YOU SAID, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EDGY MIXED USE. 
          WE'VE ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE CREATIVE AND ECLECTIC STYLE AND, AND, AND THE MAYOR'S POINTED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT, YOU COULD HAVE A CAR DEALERSHIP HERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS, BUT IT'S ANCILLARY BUSINESS AND SUPPORTING BUSINESS. 
          UM, AND THIS IS AN INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY AREA. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT AS A USE, IT'S NECESSARILY JUST SORT OF WILDLY OUTSIDE THE REALM OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT IN THIS AREA. 
          MY CONCERN, UM, IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, TO, TO, TO DO WHAT MR. MAGNER SUGGESTED AND CONTINUE THIS SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE PLANS. 
          BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA GET ANOTHER SAD BUILDING BACK THERE THAT DOESN'T MEET SORT OF THE ECLECTIC CREATIVE, YOU KNOW, UPDATED STREET SCAPE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS PART OF THIS AREA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, NOT SO MUCH THE USE, I I GET IT, IT'S NOT SOME FUNKY COFFEE SHOP OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          BUT WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE USES AND THE IDEA IS IT'S MIXED USE AND THAT IT'S INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT CAN BE PART OF THIS. 
          I MEAN, LOOK AT DOWNTOWN PLANO. 
          THEY'VE GOT APARTMENTS NEXT TO, UH, AUTOBODY REPAIR SHOPS AND A LAWYER'S OFFICE AND RESTAURANTS. 
          AND SO I THINK YOU CAN HAVE A USE LIKE THIS MIXED IN WITH ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON DOWN THERE. 
          I THINK THE CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT REALLY RED FLAGS, BUT THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED BY COUNCILMAN DORIAN AND I, AT, AT LEAST IS THAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT DOESN'T SHOW US WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, SO THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT'S LIVING UP TO THE VISION, UM, THAT THAT HAS BEEN SET FORTH HERE. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A RED FLAG FOR ME, IT'S JUST I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. 
          SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO CONTINUE IT TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT THAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A MASSIVE INVESTMENT. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA JUST SAY NO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT I PERSONALLY WANNA, YOU KNOW, SEE THERE. 
          I THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THIS WORK IN THE OVERALL VISION OF THE AREA. 
          MR. DORY, EXCUSE ME, MAYOR PRO TAYLOR. 
          UH, JUST A CRAZY THOUGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY ASKED OUTSIDE THE MEETING, BUT I'M BETTER TO ASK IN THE MEETING SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN HEAR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE A MULTI-STORY BUILDING TOO, THERE. 
          I MEAN, UNDER, YOU KNOW, FIRST STORY COULD BE ONE SIDE, COULD BE BODY SHOP, AND THEN UP UPSTAIRS COULD BE OTHER USE. 
          UH, IS IT SOMETHING THAT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, THAT THEY DO IT, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, I'M JUST ASKING, IS THERE SOMETHING I I THINK THERE'S, YEAH, I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S PRETTY, UM, IT'D BE A, A CHALLENGING BUILDING CODE, UM, SITUATION TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. 
          I THINK IF YOU HAVE A, UM, AUTO USE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING THING TO DO, BUT I HAVE SEEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN AREA, SOME OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE SEVEN 11 OFFICE RESTAURANTS AND THEN RESIDENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, BUT YEAH, I THINK SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T UTILIZE, UH, PAINT AND OTHER CHEMICALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S EASY TO PUT UNDER A, YOU KNOW, UNDER A PODIUM AND, AND HAVE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT. 
          I THINK WHEN YOU GET INTO CERTAIN KINDS OF USES THAT, THAT REQUIRE EXTENSIVE VENTILATION AND FIRE PROTECTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY THE BUILDING CODE, I THINK. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO GO PROBABLY CLASS A CONSTRUCTION, LIKE 
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CONCRETE AND SOLID THINGS, BECAUSE THE REASON I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS IS THAT BECAUSE RICHARDSON IS SMALL AND WE HAVE BIG DREAM, SO WE WANT TO GET EVERYTHING IN A SMALL AREA. 
          UH, SO THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT IS LIKE GO VERTICAL SOMETIMES. 
          UH, SO JUST FOR THE FUTURE THOUGHT ANYWAY, MR. DORIAN, UM, JUST IF WE WANT TO MAKE A DO IN ORDER TO, UH, HAVE A POSTPONEMENT, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT? OR HOW, HOW, YEAH, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD MOVE TO CONTINUE THE CASE TO SEPTEMBER 23RD. 
          SO, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SORRY, I HAVE MY COMMENTS FOR DON'T MIND. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M VERY CONFUSED. 
          WE SIT IN ALL OF THESE MEETINGS AND WE TALK ABOUT BEING BUSINESS FRIENDLY. 
          NINE YEARS THIS PROPERTY IS SET AND NOTHING'S OCCURRED TO IT. 
          NINE YEARS. 
          FOLKS, I'M GONNA DISAGREE STRONGLY WITH Y'ALL. 
          WOULD I LIKE TO SEE THIS BUILDING? WOULD I LIKE TO SEE SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, UP UPDATED LANDSCAPING? WOULD I LIKE TO SEE SOME, SOME THINGS DONE TO THE BUILDING? I AGREE ONE, 100%, BUT WE'VE WAITED NINE YEARS AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED. 
          WE'RE TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF OUR MOUTHS FOLKS. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, YOU'RE NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY. 
          IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO'S COME INTO THIS TOWN AND HAS MADE A MAJOR, MAJOR PURCHASE TO TRY AND COME IN AND WORK WITH THESE BUSINESSES, YOU WANNA MENTION FOUR BULLETS. 
          I WAS THERE WHEN FOUR BULLETS IS OPEN, THEY PUT A BREWERY IN AN EXISTING BUILDING AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE A THING SINCE BUILDING HASN'T BEEN UPDATED AT ALL. 
          NOT IF THINGS OCCURRED TO IT, NOT IF THINGS HAPPENED TO ANY OF THAT STRIP. 
          NOT AT ALL NINE YEARS. 
          I WAS HERE WHEN, WHEN FOUR BILLETS WENT IN. 
          SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS STANCE THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE AND SAYING, OH, WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN'T BUY LAW SAY ANY OF THIS. 
          SO PLEASE, PLEASE, I'M, I DON'T WANNA SIT IN THESE MEETINGS ANY LONGER AND HEAR Y'ALL TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE SO PRO-BUSINESS AND THAT WE'RE SO BUSINESS FRIENDLY WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE WHO HAS COME IN AND IS MAKING A MAJOR PURCHASE, WHO'S MADE A MAJOR PURCHASE, EXCUSE ME, IN HIS BUILDING. 
          AT A MINIMUM, WE NEED TO CONTINUE IT, AND WE NEED THEM. 
          IF Y'ALL FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU WANNA SEE SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING PLAN AND WANNA SEE SOME TYPE OF, OF, OF OTHER POTENTIAL THINGS THAT POSSIBLY VOLKSWAGEN WILL ALLOW TO HAPPEN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          BUT PLEASE, PLEASE, DAN, DO NOT EVER SAY TO ME AGAIN THAT YOU'RE PRO BUSINESS. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT STATEMENT TO ME. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA DENY SOMEONE WHO'S COME IN AND MADE A MAJOR, MAJOR INVESTMENT AFTER NINE YEARS AND NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE IT, AND THE PLACES YOU'VE NAMED OFF HAS DONE ZERO SINCE THEY, THEY'VE GONE INTO THOSE PLACES, AND I REALLY LIKE FOUR BULLETS. 
          IT'S NOTHING, NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT FOUR BULLETS. 
          I'M NOT BEING NEGATIVE ABOUT FOUR BULLETS. 
          I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING, NOTHING'S OCCURRED. 
          IT HASN'T HAPPENED. 
          AND YET THEY'RE THERE PRODUCING THEIR BEER AND, AND DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND THEY HAVEN'T GONE DOWN AND GONE IN AND DONE ANYTHING. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING, THERE'S NOTHING ALONG THERE. 
          SO PLEASE DON'T, PLEASE DON'T SAY THAT IN MY PRESENCE AGAIN, THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK. 
          AND I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, WOULD ASK FOR THE CONTINUANCE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BARROWS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCILMAN, HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THIS COUNCIL, ALONG WITH PRE PREVIOUS COUNCILS, WE FOLLOWED TION OF BEING PRO BUSINESS. 
          BEING PRO BUSINESS DOESN'T MEAN THAT BUSINESS JUST COMES IN, GETS TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT OUTSIDE OF THE VISION. 
          SO I THINK THE DECISION IS HERE IS WHETHER THAT FALLS WITHIN DIVISION OR NOT, FOR ME, IT'S NOT A ISSUE OF PLANTS OR BUSHES. 
          UM, WHILE EVERYBODY ALWAYS LOVES A GOOD BETTER LOOKING BUILDING, I'M NEVER GONNA VOTE AGAINST THAT. 
          UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN BE PRO BUSINESS AND STILL BE PRO RESIDENT, BE PRO BIGGER PICTURE, UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT VISION, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT BIGGER VISION, YES, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED, BUT THINGS ARE HAPPENING. 
          WE'RE JUST NOW SEEING IT HAPPEN. 
          BUT ABSOLUTELY, I FIND THAT EXTREMELY INSULTING TO SAY THAT YOU, THAT, UM, THAT IN ORDER TO BE PRO-BUSINESS, THAT MEANS THAT ANYBODY WHO INVESTS MONEY CAN BUY THEIR WAY INTO THE CITY AND BUY, UH, JUST JUST BUY THEIR WAY INTO THE CITY AND HAVE, AND DO WHAT THEY WANT. 
          WHEN WE HAVE ALL THIS OTHER MONEY, TIME, EFFORT, STAFF EXPERTS THAT AND ENERGY PUT INTO BUILDING THESE VISIONS, UH, I THINK IT'S LIKE ANY DECISION WE MAKE, IT ABSOLUTELY IS A BALANCE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE AS A COUNCIL TO TOGETHER, TO MAKE THOSE BALANCE DECISIONS, TO JUST SAY THAT 
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VOTING AGAINST ONE PLAN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT WITHIN THE LARGER PLAN, DOES NOT MEAN IT'S PRO BUSINESS. 
          I FIND THAT EXTREMELY INSULTING, UM, AND UNFAIR TO NOT JUST ME, BUT I THINK TO PREVIOUS DECISIONS THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE AS A BODY. 
          MR. DORIAN, WELL, I, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? WELL, WE STILL DO THE CONVERSATION TAKING PLACE. 
          I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          CAN I, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          CAN I ASK, UH, WHAT'S THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? WELL, I MEAN, UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE, OR THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE OPERATING OUT OF THESE BUILDINGS PREVIOUSLY WERE, UM, VERY SIMILAR USES. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT DESCRIBE THAT THEY'LL MAKE, UM, AND THE BUSINESS FROM, I GUESS, 18 DEALERSHIPS THAT THEY WILL DIRECT THIS WAY WILL RESULT IN A, A HIGHER OVERALL SALES. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, RESULT IN HIGHER SALES TAX HAVING, I THINK THE BUSINESS, ALL, ALL THE BUILDINGS OCCUPIED BY CLAY COOLEY, UM, WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'VE DESCRIBED THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE WILL RESULT IN A HIGHER PROPERTY TAX AS A RESULT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I MAY I, AND I'M, I'M YOU, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE CONCERN IS THAT, UM, ALLOWING THESE USES AS AN, AS AN INTERIM STRATEGY WOULD PREVENT A LARGE SCALE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, I THINK YOU REALLY HAVE TO KIND OF JUST STOP AND THINK ABOUT, JUST USE THE BELT AT MAIN PROJECT, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER PROPERTY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE TOTAL VALUE OF THESE BUILDINGS IS OF ALL THIS PROPERTY IS $8 MILLION, FOR INSTANCE. 
          UM, THAT, THAT IS NOT OF THE MAGNITUDE THAT WILL PREVENT A LARGE SCALE PROJECT, UM, WHEN THE MARKET DEMANDS IT FROM MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, IF THEY WERE TRYING TO SPEND $30 MILLION, THAT'S AN OBSTACLE TO A LARGE SCALE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT THE SCALE OF THE DOLLAR, I MEAN, YOU TAKE THE BUILDINGS, THE LAND IS THE LAND VALUE. 
          YOU TAKE THE BUILDING VALUE. 
          THEY'RE NOT INVESTING A, A TON MORE MONEY INTO THE BUILDINGS TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DISPROPORTIONATELY MAKE THE RESIDUAL LAND VALUE SO HIGH THAT A DEVELOPER COULDN'T COME IN AND BUY THE WHOLE BLOCK IF THE PROJECT WARRANTED IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, BEING AROUND, UM, IN 2015 AND BEING PART OF THAT VISIONING AND BOTH, AND THE ENTITLEMENT EXERCISE, WE WERE, WE WERE, OH, EYES OPEN TO THAT, WE WERE EYES OPEN TO THE FACT THAT WHEN THE MARKET REALITIES WERE, WERE CORRECT AND, AND RIGHT, THAT THESE PROPERTIES COULD BE ASSEMBLED, THESE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES COULD BE ASSEMBLED AND ENTIRE BLOCKS COULD BE RE REDEVELOPED. 
          UM, I, I THINK THE LESSON LEARNED FROM THE WEST SPRING VALLEY PD WAS THAT YOU CANNOT FORCE REDEVELOPMENT THROUGH PROHIBITING ANY PROGRESS AT ALL. 
          THE WEST SPRING VALLEY PD WAS OUR FIRST SPECIAL REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT WE ZONED. 
          UM, AND IT, THE, THE RESTRICTIONS WERE SO, UM, SEVERE THAT IT ALLOWED NOTHING MORE THAN SIMPLE MAINTENANCE TO BUILDINGS AND PROPERTIES. 
          I MEAN, YOU COULD DO, YOU COULDN'T HARDLY DO ANYTHING BUT PAINT THE BUILDING. 
          YOU COULDN'T EXPAND, YOU COULDN'T INVEST, YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING. 
          AND THE IDEA WAS THAT THE LACK OF INVESTMENT OR THE, THE, THE MOST, UM, PAUSE IF YOU WILL, WOULD MAKE IT MORE MARKET WOULD MAKE IT MORE VIABLE FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OCCUR. 
          AND WE KNOW IN THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR, THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AT ALL. 
          THE RESTRICTIONS IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, A ABOUT, UM, MAYBE ABOUT SIX YEARS LATER, WERE, WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. 
          AND THERE RESTRICTIONS IN THE IQ HQ ARE ALMOST NON-EXISTENT. 
          AND SO WE'RE PROGRESSING IN THE RIGHT WAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF PROGRESS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SEE AND AS AN INTERIM STRATEGY, WHILE TINA'S RIGHT, THESE ARE 20, OR I WOULD SAY WITH THE PANDEMIC NOW MAYBE 30 YEAR VISIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING TO, TO TRY TO OCCUR. 
          AND SO THE BIG QUESTION IS, IS WHAT DO YOU DO AS AN INTERIM STRATEGY? I THINK IF YOU HAVE AN INVESTMENT OR A PROJECT THAT COMES IN THAT IS OF SUCH A MAGNITUDE THAT AS YOU LOOKED AS A, FOR A MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD MAKE THE PRO FORMA, UH, UH, UM, NOT NOT VIABLE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I THINK AS A, AS A, AS A COMMUNITY, AS A CITY, TO KEEP SOME TAX BASE, UM, THROUGH THE, THIS PERIOD WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO REALIZE THESE FULL VISIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE TO ALLOWING WHEN SOME OF THESE USES, UM, AND AS AN INTERIM STRATEGY, EMPTY BUILDINGS OR, OR, OR NO USES IN THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY VALUES FALL AND THE MAINTENANCE FALLS. 
          AND SO IT IS A, IT IS A RIDDLE FOR SURE. 
          I BELIEVE ME, I I'VE BEEN THROUGH, I MEAN WITH YOU AND, AND PRIOR TO YOU, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THREE OF THESE REZONING EFFORTS, UH, DIVISIONING WORK AND THE ENTITLEMENT, AND I WISH I COULD SAY WE FOUND THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN PLAYING THE LONG GAME, WHICH EVERYBODY AGREES IS OFTEN DECADES LONG. 
          AND 
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THE SHORT GAME, WHICH IS TRYING TO KEEP THE, KEEP THE AREA VIABLE, KEEP EMPLOYMENT IN THE AREA, KEEP, UM, RESIDENTS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS COMING TO THE AREA. 
          BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN RESIDENTS WORK, I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN, UH, EMPLOYEES WORK HERE, THEY FREQUENT OUR SHOPS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THEY GO TO FOUR BULLETS, THEY GO TO DES BURGERS WHEN THE BUILDINGS ARE EMPTY. 
          IT'S NOT JUST PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX FROM THE BUSINESSES. 
          THEY'RE A RIPPLE EFFECT ON THAT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THAT THE, THE, THE, THE POLICY BALANCE THAT YOU TRY TO STRIKE IN THE FUTURE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER BOTH, BOTH SIDES TO THAT EQUATION. 
          UM, MY GOAL WHEN I LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS IS ALWAYS WILL THE INVESTMENT BE SO SIGNIFICANT THAT IT WOULD BE A TRUE OBSTACLE TO A SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR, I HEAR, WHEN I HEAR THE COUNCIL DISCUSS THIS, I'M ENVISIONING, AND I THINK I ENVISION THAT YOU ENVISION THE WHOLE BLOCK IS GONNA REDEVELOP LIKE BELT THAT MAIN, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK THAT I HEAR FROM, FROM YOU AS KIND OF DIVISION FOR THE FUTURE. 
          IT'S NOT THAT THERE'LL BE NECESSARILY THAT THERE'LL BE A BUNCH OF UNIQUE BUILD, YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESSES THAT GO INTO THESE, INTO THESE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, WE HAVE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          OTHERWISE, IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, SO I, I FOCUS ON THE MAJOR, UM, REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WOULD BE A BELT AT MAINE. 
          'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT A, A BLOCK THERE THAT'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AND, YOU KNOW, A FEW MILLION DOLLAR IN INVESTMENT IS NOT GONNA STOP THAT. 
          UM, IT DIDN'T AT BELT AT MAINE. 
          UM, AND IT, IT DIDN'T IN OTHER, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER PROJECTS. 
          AND SO, BUT I, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE, AND I, I RESPECT THE STRUGGLE, UM, OF TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE TWO THINGS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A SESSION AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, WHAT DIRECTION THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GIVE FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT TO STAFF ON WHAT TO DO IN THESE AREAS, UM, UM, SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO HONOR THE LONG-TERM VISION, BUT ALSO HAVE SOME SUCCESS IN THE SHORT TERM. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS ZERO SUCCESS IN WEST SPRING VALLEY IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT SINCE THE ORIGINAL ZONING, UH, WAS PUT INTO PLACE. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT ONE PROJECT THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE GOAL LINE. 
          UM, AND YOU, YOU, YOU REZONED AN OFFICE TO MULTIFAMILY THERE, AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET THAT JUST OFF THE GROUND. 
          AND SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, IN MY OPINION, TO, UM, THE, THE SUSTAINABILITY ABILITY AND, AND THE RESILIENCY OF OUR TAX BASE OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE AREAS. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE REZONED 1200 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          WE CAN'T HOLD OUT FOR THE LONG GAME ON ALL OF THAT. 
          THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE MEANTIME. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. HUTCHIN WRITER, I THINK DON DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SUMMARIZING EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE THINKING OVER THE LAST LITTLE BIT. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, YOU HAVE A WELL ESTABLISHED BUSINESS PERSON COMING IN WANTING TO INVEST IN OUR CITY. 
          I NEVER SUGGESTED COUNCILMAN BARRIOS THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE COMES IN TOWN, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THE HECK THEY WANT. 
          I THINK WERE YOUR WORDS. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, BUT JUST TO SIMPLY SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T MEET A, A VISION FROM NINE YEARS AGO THAT HASN'T BEEN REALIZED UP UNTIL THIS POINT IN TIME AND JUST TOTALLY TURN AWAY THIS PROJECT. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT PRO BUSINESS. 
          IT, IT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. 
          I, I AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT OUR, OUR, UM, CITY MANAGER SAID THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT LONGER. 
          UM, BUT WE NEED TO BE PRO PRO-BUSINESS AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SUPPORT WHEN SOMEONE LIKE A CLAY COOLEY COMES TO TOWN AND WANTS TO BUILD AND, AND ADD JOBS, UM, WE SAW, I MEAN, A SIMPLE SIX YEARS AGO WE WERE AT 60 40 WITH COMMERCIAL BEING COVERING OUR TAX BASE. 
          WE'RE NOW DOWN TO 58. 
          I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT GARLAND'S 60 40 WITH THEIR RESIDENTS BEING 60% OF THEIR TAX BASE. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA SEE US FLIP THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO I WANNA BE PRO BUSINESS. 
          I WANNA SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES THAT WANNA COME INTO TOWN AND, AND PUT REVENUE ON THE BOOKS TAX, PUT TAX BASE ON THE BOOKS, HAVE EMPLOYEES COME INTO TOWN. 
          WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE, HAVE THAT, THAT'S PRO BUSINESS. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT THE EXACT OPPOSITE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE MY REMARKS WERE COMING FROM. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I I, AT A MINIMUM, UH, I THINK THE CONTINUANCE MAKES A, MAKES, MAKES SENSE AND SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH, UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          AND I HOPE THAT, UH, I HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND THE, THE SENTIMENT THAT, THAT MANY OF US ARE VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND WANNA SEE THIS COME ABOUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE JUST COME DOWN, UH, MR. COURT, MR. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I, I'LL SAY THAT I, I DO 
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TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE, UH, IDEA THAT WHENEVER ANYONE COMES WITH AN APPLICATION AND WE REJECT THAT APPLICATION, THAT WE'RE NOT PRO-BUSINESS. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBER THE, THE FRUSTRATION BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS SPECIFIC INVESTMENT IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, AND DONOVAN, I THINK YOU MAKE A POINTS, I MEAN, I CAME IN HERE, UM, WITH MY CONVICTIONS PRETTY SET AND THEN FURTHER REINFORCED. 
          BUT, BUT HEARING THE COMMENTS FROM YOUR SPECIFIC POINT OF VIEW, I MEAN, IF WE, I'LL VOTE FOR CONTINUANCE AND COMMIT TO, TO COUNCIL MEMBER, HUTCHIN RIDER AND MAYOR THAT I'LL DO MORE, DO MORE RESEARCH ON MY END INTO THE ORIGINAL VISION, HOW IT'S EVOLVED, LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER CASES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND TAKE YOUR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AND HONESTLY REEVALUATE MY DECISION AND WHAT FOUR WEEKS, THREE WEEKS, WHENEVER THE CONTINUANCE IS, THEY WILL COMMIT TO YOU ON THAT. 
          MR. BARRIOS, THANK YOU. 
          UH, DON, YOU, UH, MADE A COUPLE VALID, UH, GOOD POINTS THERE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LONG TERM VERSUS SHORT TERM AND WHAT THAT MAY TURN INTO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE VALUATION OF SAYING OKAY IN THE, UH, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO IT. 
          WELL, OTHER THAN THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND AND A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, IT, ALTHOUGH IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, SO DON'T TAKE IT OUT, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE IT'S A BIG PURCHASE AND WE APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S NOT COST PROHIBITIVE TO RESALE. 
          I THINK THE PART THAT WOULD BECOME COST PROHIBITIVE OR WONDER, IF I SHOULD SAY, I WONDER IF IT'S GONNA BE COST PROHIBITIVE, IS THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE LIKE A SMART BUSINESSMAN. 
          THEY HAVE MULTIPLE LINES OF REVENUE. 
          AND I THINK ONCE APPROVED, THAT'S GONNA BE A, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT REVENUE GENERATOR. 
          AND I HOPE IT IS, UH, IF IT IS APPROVED. 
          UH, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ALL WANT, WE ALL WANT THAT. 
          EVERY BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY SUCCEED. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE, UH, REVENUE GENERATOR DOES BECOME, UM, WHICH IT PROBABLY WOULD IF, IF, UH, APPROVED, THAT MAKES IT COST PROHIBITIVE. 
          I AM INTERESTED IN SEEING AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, AS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AREAS LIKE THIS. 
          I DO STRUGGLE WITH THE COMPARISON AGAINST SPRING VALLEY. 
          'CAUSE SPRING VALLEY IS A TWO MILE LONG, OR ALMOST TWO MILE LONG. 
          LINEAR, NOT VERY DEEP. 
          IT'S KIND OF LONG AND SKINNY AND KIND OF HARD TO GET THAT SYNERGY GOING IN DEVELOPMENT OR THIS, THIS IS MORE OF A OVAL KIND OF ROUNDER, FULLER, WHICH IS EASIER GENERALLY TO GET THINGS GOING WHEN SOMETHING STARTS GOING, UH, BECAUSE THE SYNERGY THAT HAPPENS IN DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, SO I DO STRUGGLE WITH THAT COMPARISON A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, I, I, REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS GOES TONIGHT OR IF IT GETS CONTINUED REGARDLESS HOW IT GOES, I, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT, UM, FROM AN ECONOMIC DISCUSSION OF, OKAY, WHAT IS THE LONG TERM VERSUS SHORT TERM? BECAUSE WE WANT TO, WE DON'T WANNA GIVE UP A LONG TERM, BUT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE SHORT TERM? BECAUSE I, I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THIS WOULD BE A SHORT TERM BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF IT MAKING MONEY. 
          AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE REVENUE STREAMS. AND WHAT IT'S GONNA MEAN IS CENTRALIZED LOCATION. 
          LIKE I, I SEE THIS, WE'RE GONNA BE WITH IT FOR ANOTHER 10, 15 YEARS, UH, MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY'RE A GREAT COMPANY. 
          I SEE NO REASON WHY THEY'RE GONNA STRUGGLE FINANCIALLY. 
          UM, SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE WOULD BE, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL WITH. 
          IT PROVED. 
          I IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          I I WOULD JUST GIVE YOU, UM, JUST KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF, OF, OF SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU'RE DESCRIBING. 
          SO, UH, PITCOCK AUTOMOTIVE WAS IN THEIR LOCATION FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. 
          THEY WERE DOING VERY, VERY WELL. 
          WE NEEDED THEIR PROPERTY TO MAKE BELT THAT MAIN WORK. 
          AND SO WE FOUND THEM ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE OPERATIONS AND THEY NEVER LOST A BEAT. 
          I MEAN, PART OF, UH, PART OF PUTTING A DEAL, LIKE IF WE WERE GONNA REDEVELOP THAT WHOLE AREA, PART OF PUTTING A DEAL TOGETHER VERY OFTEN IS WHEN YOU NEED A PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIND SOME THAT BUSINESS, ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE THEY WON'T MISS THAT BEAT. 
          AND WHILE THEY'LL CONTINUE TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REMAIN AS, AS PROFITABLE AS THEY ARE WHERE, WHERE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY. 
          AND SO I I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ONCE THEY GET THERE AND THEY'RE PRODUCING REVENUE, BUT AGAIN, THE MAGNITUDE OF A REDEVELOPMENT DEAL, LIKE BELT AT MAINE, WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, THERE ARE MANY PIECES, UM, TO THAT PUZZLE THAT WOULD REMIND ME OF TRYING TO REDEVELOP A WHOLE AREA LIKE THIS. 
          AND IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          IT COULD BE GOING TO CLAY COOLEY ONE DAY AND SAYING, WE KNOW YOU WANNA BE PART OF THIS DEAL 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA PROFIT ON THE LAND, SO HERE'S WHERE WE CAN MOVE YOU TO CONTINUE YOUR OPERATIONS. 
          UM, WE DID THAT WITH THE FURNITURE MANUFACTURING COMPANY THAT WAS, UH, WORKING OUT OF, UH, OUT OF THE BUILDING ON THE DART PROPERTY FOR YEARS. 
          WE COULDN'T FIND A LOCATION IN, IN RICHARDSON FORM, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT WE STILL HELPED THEM RELOCATE TO THEIR CURRENT LOCATION BECAUSE 
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THAT WAS WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO FOR THE LARGER DEAL. 
          AND SO, UM, AGAIN, I I, MY FIRST TEST, UM, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THESE DEALS IS, IS THE, IS THE MAGNITUDE OF THE INVESTMENT, IS IT, IS IT GOING TO CREATE A GENUINE OBSTACLE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT? AND IT, THE MAGNITUDE HAS TO BE SO SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TO SKIN A CAT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE DEALS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW OUR MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS HAVE, HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, IS THAT WE'VE BEEN CREATIVE AND WE'VE WORKED WITH ALL THE, THE STAKEHOLDERS, UH, THROUGH EVERYTHING FROM ACQUISITION AND ASSEMBLY ALL THE WAY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION TO UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS AND TO, TO, TO, TO WORK ON A WIN-WIN SOLUTION. 
          AND SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT ANY, ANY POSITION TONIGHT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE OF, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, I I'M CONSTANTLY TRYING TO BALANCE HOW DO WE KEEP RICHARDSON ALIVE AND WELL WHILE WE WORK ON THESE LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, A A A VIEW OF, LET'S JUST PAUSE UNTIL THE, THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS A REALITY ISN'T SUSTAINABLE IN ALL THE, IN, IN ALL THESE AREAS. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE HAVE 1200 ACRES THAT HAVE, HAS NEW ZONING THAT THE CITY HAS PROACTIVELY PUT INTO PLACE. 
          UM, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A BALANCE BETWEEN KEEPING THESE AREAS ALIVE AND WELL WHILE WORKING ON THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION. 
          I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. 
          UM, AND SO AGAIN, JUST, UM, MAYOR PRO TEM IN RESPONSE TO YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUESTION, THAT'S KIND OF THIS, THE, THE BALANCE THAT I'M, I'M CONSTANTLY TRYING TO RECONCILE IN MY MIND AS WE GO ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK. 
          AND THANK YOU THOUGH. 
          AND DON, JUST TO RESPOND, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING EARLIER MEANT TO, TO, TO COMMENT ON. 
          UM, AND I, LIKE ME PERSONALLY, PRIOR TO JOINING THE COUNCIL AND JUST AS A PRIVATE, UH, A RESIDENT, UH, MANY MOONS AGO, WHEN I WAS FIRST HEARING ABOUT THIS AREA, WHEN I FIRST STARTED KIND OF LEARNING ABOUT THE VISION OF THIS AREA, I ALWAYS PICTURED IT, AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, I MAY MAY BE THE ONLY ONE, I ALWAYS PICTURED IT AS, UM, KIND OF LIKE RICHARDSON'S DEEP BEUM BACK IN THE NINETIES BEFORE GENTRIFICATION, BEFORE IT GOT RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE WHEN IT WAS JUST WAREHOUSE SPACE. 
          AND THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, WHAT CAN WE GET GOING HERE? THERE, THERE'S A BAR, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP, THERE'S WHATEVER. 
          AND THERE'S ALL THESE SMALL LITTLE BUSINESSES. 
          AND THEN THAT LEADS TO ATTRACTION PEOPLE. 
          THEN 20, 30 YEARS LATER, I MEAN, WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO NORTH TEXAS, DEEP DEVELOP LOOKS NOTHING LIKE IT, IT DOES NOW BECAUSE AREAS GO THROUGH PHASES. 
          AND I ALWAYS SAW THAT AS AN AREA WHERE WE CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF EDGINESS AND WALKABILITY AND, UM, FOR PROBABLY SOMETHING DAN MAYBE WOULD'VE ENJOYED MORE WHEN HE WAS IN HIS TWENTIES OR EARLY THIRTIES THAN HE DOES NOW. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THAT. 
          SO I NEVER PICTURED ANOTHER BELT IN MAINE, BUT MAYBE THAT CAN HAVE INTER, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THAT KIND OF INTERNATIONAL AREA OF CHINATOWN AND KIND OF JUST BETWEEN THAT AND INTERNATIONAL, I CAN SEE WHERE MAYBE HOUSING ALONG THE EDGES WOULD BE GREAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UH, VERY OPEN TO ANYTHING. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE PICTURE OF MY BRAIN. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YEAH, THAT'S MR. DORIA. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID BEFORE, AND I, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND I'M SUPPORTIVE AND APPRECIATIVE THAT, UH, WE'RE DOING BUSINESS AND YOU, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONSIDERING, UH, DOING BUSINESS WITH RICHARDSON AND I RESPECT THAT AND I DO WANT TO ADVOCATE, UH, FOR, UH, BEING A BUSINESS FRIENDLY CITY. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I'M SUGGESTING, UH, AND THIS IS ON THE SHORT, SHORT TERM, IS THAT WE, UH, POSTPONE THIS FOR FOUR WEEKS, UH, TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO TO SPEAK TO A VOLKSWAGEN AND ANY TYPE OF ENHANCEMENTS THAT CAN BE GENERATED, UH, FROM ANY, MAYBE A CONCEPTUAL OF SOME SORT. 
          SO WE CAN JUST LOOK AT THAT AS SORT OF A FINAL BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, A DECISION. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT A, IS THAT A MOTION OR IS THAT JUST A, A STATEMENT? I THINK THAT WAS, THAT COULD BE A MOTION. 
          WELL, THAT ACTUALLY, WELL, SO THAT WAS, I WANTED TO CONVEY MY THOUGHTS FIRST, IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION, THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE THAT I MOVE TO CONTINUE ZONING FILE 24 16 UNTIL SEPTEMBER 23RD AT 6:00 PM OKAY. 
          I MOVE TO POSTPONE OR CONTINUE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 2, 4 16 UNTIL SEPTEMBER 23RD. 
          23RD AT 6:00 PM MM-HMM, . 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          COULD I GET A SECOND, MS. JUSTICE? SECOND. 
          GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR 
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OF POSTPONING, RAISE YOUR HANDS PLEASE. 
          OKAY, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          DON, WOULD YOU PLEASE TELL THE APPLICANT WHAT WE'RE ASKING HIM?  TO DO? ? I MAYOR, I, I, UH, THINK IF IT'D BE OKAY WITH THE APPLICANT, I CAN FOLLOW UP, UH, TOMORROW AND WE CAN PUT OUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND GIVE YOU SOME CLEAR DIRECTION. 
          YEAH, I JUST HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT. 
          UH, MR. BARRIOS, I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE. 
          I FEEL, UM, THAT CLAY HAS MADE AN INVESTMENT HERE. 
          UM, THE BUILDING, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, I WILL GET IT TO VOLKSWAGEN, BUT WE NEED TO EXPEDITE IT SO WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          BUT TO SEE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT FACILITY, MY PERFORMER ON THAT, IT'S GONNA GENERATE $500,000 A MONTH IN GROSS PROFIT. 
          NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTING WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES, BUT WE'RE GONNA EXPAND NOW. 
          THE PEOPLE, THE EMPLOYEES WE'RE BRINGING IN ARE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY HERE. 
          WE'RE GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS CITY. 
          SO I HOPE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND, WE'RE GENERATING BUSINESS, WE'RE GIVING EMPLOYEES OPPORTUNITY. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AND THAT $500,000 WILL GROW. 
          BUT, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING THESE JOBS ARE GONNA BE THE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          THAT'S WHAT CLAY DOES. 
          YOU KNOW, HIS BUSINESS, WHEN HE FIRST STARTED OUT, HE CATERED TO THE LOWER INCOME, UH, UH, PEOPLE AND HE GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND THAT'S ALONG WITH FINANCING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          HE GAVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE. 
          MR. BARRIOS, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          WE GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW IN BRINGING INCOME HERE. 
          WE'VE NEVER ONE TIME COME HERE AND SAID, WE'RE CLAY COOLEY. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT. 
          ONE TIME WE'VE COME TO YOU, YOU WERE SO GRACIOUS HOW YOU HELPED US WITH THE FACILITY. 
          YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU COULD TO BE SUPPORTED TO CLAY COOLEY. 
          HE HAS NEVER COME IN ON THE MUSCLE, NEVER SAID, I'M GONNA DO THIS, I'M GONNA DO THAT NOT ONE TIME. 
          HE'S HUMBLE AND GRACIOUS TO BE HERE, AND WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE, AND IT'S TOUGH. 
          THE ECONOMY'S TOUGH. 
          EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT, RIGHT? IS ANYBODY HERE MAKING ENOUGH MONEY? ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          IT'S TOUGH. 
          AND CAR PEOPLE, CAR DEALERS STRUGGLE TOO. 
          WHEN THE ECONOMY'S DOWN, PEOPLE SPEND LESS MONEY, THE EMPLOYEES STRUGGLE TO TRY TO PAY THEIR BILLS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE'RE TRYING FOR GROWTH AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE CAN WITH THE BUILDINGS TO MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR. 
          I FELT A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE THE WAY IT WAS, UH, PRESENTED THAT CLAY COOLEY IS NOT HUMBLE AND GRACIOUS BECAUSE HE IS. 
          AND HE WANTS TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND MAKE AN INCOME AND MAKE A PAYCHECK AND SPEND THE MONEY HERE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS. 
          SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          WE'RE 
          [10. SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE #24-01 TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST OF CLAY COOLEY VOLKSWAGEN FOR A VARIANCE TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON CODE OF ORDINANCES,  CHAPTER 18, ARTICLE III, SECTION 18-96(23)(B)(3)(I); TO ALLOW FOR A 39’7” TALL, POLE SIGN  AT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 300 N. CENTRAL EXPY; AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION.]
GONNA NOW GO TO ITEM NUMBER 10, SIGNED CONTROL BOARD CASE NUMBER 24 DASH OH ONE TWO. 
          CONSIDER THE REQUEST OF CLAY COOLEY VOLKSWAGEN FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR A 39 FOOT SEVEN INCH TALL POLE SIGN AT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 300 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UH, BRENT NER, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL IS HERE TO PRESENT, UH, THE CASE. 
          UH, AS A REMINDER, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, THE CITY WILL PRESENT ITS CASE. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT, UH, THEIR CASE, AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTION THE APPLICANT, AND THEN YOU'LL DELIBERATE AMONGST YOURSELF AND YOU CAN EITHER ACCEPT THE SIGNED CONTROL BOARD MINUTES AND ESSENTIALLY APPROVE THE CASE, OR YOU CAN DENY THE SIGNED CONTROL BOARD MINUTES AND THAT WOULD DENY THE CASE. 
          BRENT, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU DON. 
          UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO DISCUSS, UH, SIGN, SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE 24 DASH ZERO ONE. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS CASE IS FOR CLAY COLEY VOLKSWAGEN, LOCATED AT 300 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          UH, JUST AS A QUICK, UH, RECAP OF HOW WE GOT TO HERE, UM, ON JULY 10TH, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD DID MEET TO CONSIDER THIS CASE FOR CLAY COOLEY. 
          UM, THEY, UH, THEY DID REVIEW THE CASE AND THE BOARD DID APPROVE THE CASE BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO. 
          AND THEN, UH, DURING THE JULY 22ND COUNCIL MEETING, THOSE MINUTES WERE, UH, BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, FOR YOUR, YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          THIS CASE WAS, UH, CALLED UP FOR FULL CONSIDERATION AND FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. 
          UH, THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCE, THIS CASE IS RELATIVE TO SIZE. 
          POLE SIGNS ARE LIMITED 20 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A 35 39 FOOT HIGH SEVEN INCH TALL POLE SIGN IN THIS CASE. 
          AGAIN, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BY RIGHT IS 20 FEET. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT FILL THIS REQUEST IS NECESSARY DUE TO THE SPEEDS ON THE FREEWAY. 
          THE EXISTING SIGN AT ITS CURRENT HEIGHT IS NOT VERY VISIBLE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC. 
          UH, THEY, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE 
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INCREASE IN HEIGHT WILL ALSO HELP BETTER ID THEIR DEALERSHIP. 
          UH, WHEN EXITING THE FREEWAY, THERE'S AN EXIT RAMP JUST ADJACENT TO THE DEALERSHIP, TO THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN OVERALL, UH, THE HEIGHT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, SIMILAR SIGN TYPES AT, UH, LOCAL VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIPS. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, DIRECTLY, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, ALONG THE NORTHBOUND SERVICE ROAD OR NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, UH, GREER STREET BORDERS TO THE SOUTH, UH, NORTH END, OR URBAN TO THE EAST AND JACKSON STREET TO THE NORTH. 
          UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE BLUE DOT, THE SIGNS PROPOSED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY NEAREST, UH, THE NORTHBOUND SERVICE ROAD. 
          UH, THESE ARE TWO IMAGES OF THE EXISTING POLE SIGN AT THE PROPERTY AS IT STANDS TODAY. 
          OBVIOUSLY, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS A NORTHBOUND VIEW AS YOU LOOK DOWN THE NORTHBOUND SERVICE ROAD. 
          AND IN THE ONE ON, RIGHT ON THE RIGHT IS A SOUTHBOUND VIEW. 
          UH, THIS SIGN WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2008. 
          IT'S A TOTAL OF, UH, 50 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA AND 20 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          AND THIS SIGN WOULD BE REMOVED IF, UH, THIS CASE WAS APPROVED. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE RENDERING ON THE RIGHT, THE PROPOSED SIGN IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THEY HAVE TODAY. 
          HOWEVER, UH, THIS SIGN WILL BE PROPOSED TO BE 39 39 FEET, SEVEN INCHES IN OVERALL HEIGHT AND 47 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA. 
          UH, THE MATERIAL THAT'S, UH, COMPRISING THE SIGN IS ALUMINUM. 
          IT'S ALUMINUM CABINET. 
          UH, THE PULLS, THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURE IS ALSO CLAD IN ALUMINUM. 
          THE COLLAR SCHEME IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S A GRAYISH WHITE WITH THE BLUE VOLKSWAGEN LOGO, AND THE CABINET ITSELF WILL BE BACK LIT, UM, WITH LED LIGHTING. 
          AND THEN TONIGHT YOU HAVE THE OPTION, UH, AS FAR AS TAKING ACTION TO APPROVE THE SIGN CONTROL CONTROLLED MINUTES AS PRESENTED. 
          UM, OR YOU CAN APPROVE, UH, WITH CONDITIONS OR YOU CAN DENY THE VARIANCE REQUEST BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. 
          UH, IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO APPROVE AND GRANT THE VARIANCE, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION. 
          UH, FIRST BEING THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED WITH RESPECT TO THE SIGN FOR WHICH THE APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE WAS MADE. 
          AND IN ADDITION, IF THE SIGN WERE TO BE REMOVED, THE VARIANCE DOES NOT ALLOW A NEW SIGN FOR THE SAME VARIANCE HEIGHT TO BE CONSTRUCTED. 
          UH, AN APP, A NEW APPLICATION WOULD BE REQUIRED ALONG WITH A NEW VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, GOING BACK THROUGH THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD. 
          AND THE PROPOSED SIGN, UH, COULD NOT EXCEED IF THE PRO, IF THE PROPOSED SIGN DID EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR OUR PER ASSIGNED REGULATIONS. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO START OVER, UM, IF THE SIGNS WERE MOVED FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. 
          THANK YOU, MR. DORIAN. 
          ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF? UH, UH, NO, I PROBABLY FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          MR. BARRIOS, YOU HAVE QUESTION FOR STAFF? YES, MAYOR. 
          UM, WHAT, TALK TO ME ABOUT THE SECOND POINT HERE. 
          THE, AND THE SIGN IS REMOVED. 
          SO IF THIS GETS APPROVED AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE, SO IS IT, IF IT TURNS TO A, I DON'T KNOW, UM, LET'S SAY IT BECOMES A BMW DEALERSHIP AND YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE TOP SIDE SIGN TO PUT THE BMW LOGO INSTEAD OF THE VOLKSWAGEN LOGO, IS THAT CONSIDERED REMOVAL THE SIGN? OR, OR IF A STORM BLOWS THROUGH, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE LIMITED BECAUSE STORM BLOWS THROUGH AND KNOCKS OFF THE TOP OFF THAT SIGN. 
          IS THIS, IS THIS MEAN THAT IF THE POLES ARE REMOVED, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO AGAIN? OR IS THIS JUST THE TOP PIECE? THIS, THIS WOULD BE IF THE, IF THE SIGN WAS INTENTIONALLY REMOVED IN ITS ENTIRE CAPACITY. 
          OKAY, SO POLES INCLUDED, NOT JUST THE TOP YES, SIR. 
          BY A BRAND CHANGE OR, YES, SIR. 
          'CAUSE TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE WITH DEALERSHIPS IS THEY'LL REFACE EXISTING SIGNS, RIGHT. 
          WITH THE NEW LOGO. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. SHA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UH, VERY BASIC QUESTION, WHY THE LIMIT WAS 20 FEET? UH, AS FAR AS THE HISTORY, I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. 
          UM, I DO BELIEVE THE HEIGHT AT BEING AT 20 FEET IS, IS PROBABLY AS, AS FAR AS VISIBILITY PURPOSES MAKES SENSE, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY AND I DON'T KNOW, DON, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, BACK IN 2012, THE SIGN CONTROL, UH, ORDINANCE, I MEAN THE SIGN ORDINANCE, UM, UH, CHAPTER 18 WAS COMPLETELY REVIEWED BY THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD AT THAT TIME. 
          UH, WE LOOKED AT, UH, COMPARABLE CITIES FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND, UH, THE SUN CONTROL BOARD AT THAT TIME, UH, OPTED ON THE 20 FOOT, WHICH WAS THE MOST COMMON. 
          PRIOR TO THAT, UM, THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A, I GUESS A, UH, BACK FROM THE MID SEVENTIES THERE WAS A MEMO, IF YOU WILL, UM, THAT ALLOWED FOR CERTAIN, UM, S 75 LOCATIONS TO HAVE SIGNS HIGHER, UM, THAN, THAN THE 20 FEET. 
          AND SO THERE ARE A LOT, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF PRE, UH, UH, UH, GRANDFATHERED SIGNS THAT YOU SEE AS YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN S 75. 
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AND, UM, BUT AS, AS FAR AS 2012, THE, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD AND THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME ADOPTED A, A COMPLETELY REVAMPED ORDINANCE AND 20 FOOT WAS, UH, DE DECIDED, UH, FOR POLE SIGNS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE NEW NORM IN NORTH TEXAS, IF YOU WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THE SIGN, LIKE THE STORM, IT DAMAGED SOMETHING ELSE, UH, SOME OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          SO WHO IS LIABLE, UH, FOR THE DAMAGE? ARE YOU, SO IF A STORM CAME THROUGH AND BLEW OFF THE FACE OF THE SIDE, IT THE, IT'D FALL INTO, SAY, ANOTHER MOVING VEHICLE OR SOME OTHER THINGS? YEAH, I WOULD ASSUME, I WOULD ASSUME VOLKSWAGEN WOULD BE BOX ONE HAS, YEAH, YOU MIGHT ASK THE APPLICANT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MR. BARRIOS? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT OFF THE TOP. 
          WELL, THAT MAY HAVE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HOLD ON. 
          WELL, WE'LL ASK IN A MINUTE. 
          MR. BARRIOS. 
          UM, I KNOW WHEN THIS, UH, WE CONSIDERED THIS BEFORE CALLING IT UP, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WAS, UH, THAT I, I HAD CONCERN AND I KNOW WE WEREN'T, COULDN'T REQUIRE THEM TO SPEAK TO NEIGHBORS, BUT I KNOW MY ONLY CONCERN AT THE TIME WAS, YOU KNOW, IT BEING SO MUCH BIGGER, UM, TO NEIGHBORS. 
          HAD ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH STAFF OR DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY TALKS EITHER THROUGH ON THE CITY SIDE? AND I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT THAT LATER IF HE'S DONE THAT. 
          BUT, SO THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN, IS THAT IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK, IT BEING SO MUCH BIGGER THAN THE BUSINESSES TO THE NEXT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE DID TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORS, WHETHER THEY DID THAT OR NOT, WE DIDN'T GET ANY DIRECT FEEDBACK RELATIVE TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS BRIAN. 
          OKAY, AT THIS TIME WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP PLEASE. 
          AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ONE MORE TIME PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK. 
          MY NAME IS ED HICKS JR. 
          I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT CLAY KLEY VOLKSWAGEN RICHARDSON. 
          I LIVE AT 5 0 0 9 SPANISH OAKS, FRISCO, TEXAS. 
          YOU WANNA ANSWER THE QUESTION ON INSURANCE OR WHETHER THE SIGN BLEW OVER? YEAH, ACTUALLY WE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHEN, UH, THE STORMS CAME IN AND, UH, UH, WE HAD PART OF OUR ROOF TAKEN OUT AND, AND, AND HIT, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH OF US. 
          AND, UH, AND OUR INSURANCE, WE HAVE INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR THAT. 
          AND IT'S NOT VOLKSWAGEN. 
          WE OWN THAT SIGN. 
          SO LET ME, SOMEBODY MADE IT, UH, ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IF A BMW DEALERSHIP CAME IN. 
          WELL, WE OWN THE SIGN, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE SIGN DOWN. 
          WE COULDN'T GIVE IT TO OR SELL IT TO BMW 'CAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT DOESN'T MEET THEIR BRAND ELEMENTS OR ANY OTHER FRANCHISE. 
          SO WE, WE ACTUALLY OWN THE SIGN. 
          WE DON'T LEASE IT FROM THE MANUFACTURER, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE SIGN IF BY SOME CHANCE WE SOLD THE DEALERSHIP AND, UH, IT BECAME A-A-B-M-W STORE OR CHEVROLET OR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          SO UH, YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD TAKE THE SIGN DOWN COMPLETELY DOWN JUST FOR CLARIFICATIONS. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE WE COULDN'T LEAVE IT. 
          THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR, OUR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. 
          WE CAN'T LEAVE ANY, ANY, UH, UH, EMBLEMS OR LOGOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH VOLKSWAGEN IF WE WERE TO SELL. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN OPTION FOR THIS FAMILY, SO I HOPE NOT. 
          MR. DORIA QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTED SIGN, IT'S, IS THERE GOING, ARE THERE GONNA BE ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IN THE FUTURE THAT ARE BELOW THAT? UH, WELL LET, LEMME EXPLAIN THE LOGIC BEHIND THE SIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR NOT, BUT, UH, WE WERE REQUIRED TO COMPLETELY REPLACE ALL THE DRAINAGE UNDERNEATH THAT, UH, THAT DEALERSHIP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT WAS $1.8 MILLION. 
          SO WE HAD TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS FLOODING ON THE REAR SIDE AND IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY TO BEGIN WITH. 
          SO WE DOUBLED THE DRAINAGE SIZE, UM, TO WHERE IT, A PROPER RUNOFF. 
          BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENED, WE WERE REQUIRED TO DROP OUR PARKING LOT, FOUR AND A HALF FEET. 
          SO, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S DRIVEN BY THERE. 
          IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE RIGHT FROM THAT SIDE ROAD, YOU CANNOT SEE OUR CARS. 
          YOU SEE THE ROOFTOPS. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP, YOU JUST SEE THE TOPS OF CARS. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE IN THE CORRIDOR THAT ARE ABOVE 20 FEET, WHICH I'VE, I'VE DRIVEN THROUGH AND I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW, THE SETBACK OF THEIR FACILITIES. 
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OURS GOES BACK 75 YARDS. 
          AND THE REASON WHY THAT WAS DONE IS BECAUSE IT SAVED US $4 MILLION INSTEAD OF LEVELING EVERYTHING AND STARTING OVER WITH THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND A SALES DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE ATTACHED THE SHOWROOM AND THE SALES TO THE EXISTING SERVICE FACILITY AND THEN GUTTED IT AND RENOVATED IT. 
          SO THAT SAVED US $4 MILLION. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S A FAR SETBACK. 
          75 YARDS I CHECKED TODAY. 
          YOU CAN'T SEE WITH THE 20 FOOT SIGN. 
          AND YOU COULD, YOU COULD SEE THE PREVIOUS PICTURES. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE PACKETS. 
          THAT SIGN IS BUILT TO THE SIZE OF THAT CURRENT FACILITY. 
          WHETHER THE LAW WAS BACK IN OR THE RULES WERE CHANGED IN 2012, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          BUT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THIS LARGEST VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT SIGN AND PEOPLE GO RIGHT BY IT. 
          AND I, PEOPLE, I PEOPLE, CUSTOMERS TELL ME THAT EVERY DAY I WENT RIGHT BY, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR SIGN. 
          AND THEY SURE DIDN'T SEE THE CARS BECAUSE YOU JUST SEE THE ROOFTOPS. 
          SO WHEN WE TAKE DOWN THIS OLD BILLING THAT WAS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES AND WE REDO THAT PARKING LOT, IT'S GONNA DROP ANOTHER 4.6 FEET. 
          SO EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THAT LOT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ROOFTOPS. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT SIGN. 
          THERE'S NO OBSTRUCTION NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, OR WEST. 
          IT'S A VERY SIMPLE TWO POLES AND A VOLKSWAGEN LOGO. 
          DOESN'T SAY CLAY, COOLEY, NO BILLBOARDS, NOTHING. 
          IT'S JUST A PLAIN VOLKSWAGEN SIGN. 
          BUT IT CAN BE SEEN NORTH AND SOUTH SO PEOPLE KNOW OUR LOCATION. 
          SO, AND I, THAT'S THE THEORY BEHIND THE, THE SIGN. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION AND THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST, JUST TO REITERATE THE QUESTION TOO, WILL THERE BE ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE BELOW THE LARGE, UH, TOP PIECE? NO, SIR. 
          IT WILL JUST BE TOWERING UP. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT 39 FEET AND IT, THE, THE SIGN IS BACKLIT ON BOTH SIDES? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH LED LIGHTING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE NOW. 
          AND THAT CURRENT SIGN WILL BE THE SAME. 
          IT'S NOT BRIGHT, IT'S JUST THE VOLKSWAGEN LOGO. 
          IT'S VERY SUBTLE. 
          WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UM, I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS, AND LET TELL YOU WHY, UM, I DID TAKE THE TIME TO DRIVE, UH, NOT JUST ONCE, BUT THREE TIMES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BACK AND FORTH, UH, BOTH DIRECTIONS AND, UH, TO JUST TO GET A VISUAL OF ANY OBSTRUCTION. 
          UM, AND ALSO LOOK AT COMPARISON TO SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNAGE. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE AROUND THERE IS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE TWO OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE HIGHER, PROBABLY WITHIN ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS APPROXIMATELY, I'M JUST GUESSING. 
          UM, ONE ON THE SAME SIDE AND ONE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. 
          ALL WITHIN SORT OF A, CREATING A TRIANGLE. 
          UM, AND I, SO I EVALUATED THAT JUST TO LOOK TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE CUMBERSOME OR, UM, OR AN EYESORE. 
          AND HONESTLY, UM, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. 
          UM, I THOUGHT ELEVATING THE SIGN WOULD ALLOW TO SEE THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT SIGNAGE, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE OF OTHER VENDORS OR ANY OTHER TYPES OF SIGNAGE THAT YOU MIGHT ADD. 
          AND KEEPING THAT CLEAR, THIS CREATES A TOP HEAVY SIGN AND NOT A BOTTOM HEAVY SIGN. 
          THEREFORE, YOU, THE OBSTRUCTION IS, IS CLEAR. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT'S MY COMMENT, UH, TO UNDERSTAND FOR, FOR ALL THE COUNSEL HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S HOW MY, THAT'S HOW I EVALUATED IT DURING MY TRAVELS UP AND DOWN 75. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          AND, AND GO BACK TO THE BRAND IMAGING. 
          THAT'S ALL VOLKSWAGEN WILL ALLOW. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN FIVE NEW DEALERSHIPS, VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIPS BUILT IN THE DFW AREA. 
          ALL OF THEM HAVE THE, THEY'RE 39 FOOT, SEVEN INCH SIGN, EVERY ONE OF 'EM. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S A BRAND IMAGE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S NO OTHER SIGNS THAT CAN GO ON THERE THAT WOULD BE, UH, JEOPARDIZING OUR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. 
          SO THAT THAT'S ALL YOU'LL EVER SEE. 
          AND JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, UH, WAS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON WHY YOU CHOSE 39 FEET? 39.7 FEET? THAT'S THE SIZE, THE DIFFERENT SIZES THAT THEY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BASED, AND, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, THEY, VOLKSWAGEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER STORES, THEY'RE NOT AS BIG AS OURS, BUT THE, THE SIGNS ARE, UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE BUILT TO SCALE. 
          SO WHATEVER'S PROPORTIONATE TO THE DEALERSHIP THAT SIZE OF THE FACILITY, THEN THEY GO WITH A TALLER SIGN. 
          OUR, OUR BUILDING'S HIGH, VERY HIGH, THE NEW ONE THAT WE BUILT. 
          SO IT'S PROPORTIONATE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE NEW DEALERSHIP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THERE AREN'T ANY, THERE AREN'T ANY SMALL, THAT'S ALL IT, THAT'S A 2.0 VOLKSWAGEN DESIGN. 
          SO THAT'S THE LATEST ON THE MARKET. 
          SO, UM, AND ACCORDING TO THIS DRAWING HERE, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE USING, UH, SOME MODERN MATERIALS THAT ARE BENT ALUMINUM OF SOME SORT. 
          CORRECT. 
          A 
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CLEAN LINE APPROACHED ON THE COLUMNS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MAYOR. 
          UH, HOW DOES YOUR CLIENT COMES TO THE PLACE? DO THEY JUST DRIVE BY? THEY STOP OR THEY MAKE APPOINTMENTS AND THEN THEY, THEY COME? WELL, I'M OLD, SO I'M, I'M NOT USED TO THE FANCY INTERNET STUFF, UH, LIKE, UH, THE YOUNGER KIDS ARE, BUT, UH, IT'S, WE, WE DRIVE TRAFFIC FROM OUR WEBSITE. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO LOCATE US, THAT SIGN IS SO LOW, THEY GO RIGHT PAST US. 
          AND I'M AT THE DEALERSHIP EVERY DAY AND I TALK TO CUSTOMERS EVERY DAY AND I THANK 'EM FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND I ASK THEM, I SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OUR NEW FACILITY? THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S WEIRD. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT. 
          I DIDN'T SEE YOUR SIGN. 
          AND I DROVE RIGHT BY. 
          THEY HAD TO GO DOWN TO THE NEXT EXIT AND COME BACK AROUND TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO LOCATE OUR DEALERSHIP. 
          SO, UM, DRIVE BY. 
          WE DO HAVE DRIVE BY TRAFFIC, BUT SOMEBODY THAT THAT'S HIT HITS US ON THE, UH, INTERNET AND THEY TRY TO FIND US. 
          THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. 
          AND EVEN PEOPLE WITH SERVICE, PEOPLE THAT COME FOR SERVICE, THEY'LL GO RIGHT BY THAT STORE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE NEW DEALERSHIP IS 75 YARDS OFF, YOU KNOW, OFF THE SIDEWALK THERE FROM THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO IT'S SET CONSIDERABLY. 
          UNLESS IF YOU'RE REALLY SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR IT, YOU GO BUY IT LIKE THAT. 
          UH, JUST A COMMENT. 
          UH, YOUR SIGN LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, THE COLOR LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. 
          UH, BUT THOSE, THOSE BLENDS WITH THE NATURE TOO MUCH. 
          UH, THE WHAT? I'M SORRY. 
          IT BLENDS WITH THE NATURE. 
          OH, YES. 
          IT'S LIKE, IT DOES NOT STAND OUT. 
          UH, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU SEE IT, BUT WHEN, BUT TO SEE IT, YOU HAVE TO SEE IT. 
          UH, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THE OTHER, OTHER PLACE, EVEN TOYOTA HAS A SHORTER SIGN. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT VERY CLEARLY. 
          UH, WHEN YOU DRIVE EVEN FASTER THERE. 
          SAME THING. 
          CHEVROLET, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, UH, RELIABLE CHEVROLET. 
          THEY HAVE, THE SIGN IS TALLER, BUT THE COLOR STANDS OUT. 
          UH, AND ALSO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE TALLER, THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, OVERPASSED, SO THE HIGHWAY IS HIGHER. 
          SO IF THEY WOULD BE 20 FEET, YOU WOULD NOT EVEN SEE, EVEN THEY DON'T EXIST. 
          YOU, YOU NOTICE HOW CLOSE RELIABLE CHEVROLET IS TO THE FREEWAY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND US. 
          WE'RE SITTING WAY BACK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF EVEN 39 FEET IS GIVEN, UH, BUT THE COLOR PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE JUST, JUST A COMMENTS ON MY SIDE. 
          THAT COLOR PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO STAND OUT OTHER THAN NIGHTTIME WHEN IT'S GONNA, LED LIGHT IS GONNA LET, UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          I'LL LEAVE MY CALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BARRIOS. 
          UH, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR. 
          UM, DON, WHAT YEAR DID YOU SAY WAS THAT? WAS, UH, LOOKED AT ON THE, UM, THE SIGNING? UH, THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS UPDATED IN 2012. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, QUESTION. 
          UM, BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS PRONOUNCED, UH, BARRIOS. 
          BARRIOS. 
          OH, MY APOLOGIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY DAD WAS CAJUN AND HE PRONOUNCED IT BARIOS. 
          UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY. 
          WELL, I'VE NEVER MET YOU, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          . 
          THE, UM, I, I LIKE THE SIGN. 
          MY ONLY CONCERN WAS, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT A BIGGER SIGN. 
          I DRIVE BY YOUR DEALERSHIP EVERY DAY. 
          UH, THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I, I DRIVE BY THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          UH, THAT'S PLACE THREE. 
          I, I KNOW THIS AREA VERY WELL. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOUR CURRENT SIGN, WHILE NICE, IT IS HARD TO SEE, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WENT ON A LARGER SIGN. 
          UH, MY ONLY CONCERN WAS IT IS, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT TOTALLY CLEAR IN THE, THE PICTURE SHOWN, IT IS PRETTY CLOSE, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, DISTANCE, ROAD DISTANCE TO YOUR NEIGHBORING AND THEIR SHORTER SIGNS. 
          AND MY CONCERN IS YOUR BIG SIGN COVERING THEIR SIGNS AS I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN MENTIONED THERE'S NOTHING LOWER. 
          SO THAT KIND OF HELPS. 
          YOU MIGHT BE SO HIGH ABOVE WHERE YOU COULD KIND OF SEE BETWEEN THE LEGS, UH, THROUGH IT. 
          BUT, UM, THE FEEDBACK I PROVIDED AND STAFF SAID THEY PROVIDED WITH YOU WAS, UH, IF YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU MAYBE COULD TALK TO NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SURE THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS REALLY, DID, DO YOU HAPPEN TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT FEEDBACK? DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM NEIGHBORS? WE, UH, WE WENT TO THE, UH, THE OIL CHANGE PLACE NEXT TO US. 
          I DID. 
          AND I WENT TO THE, UH, TO TALK TO THE MANAGER. 
          I DIDN'T 
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FIND THE OWNER OF SPRING CREEK AND TALKED TO THEM AND THEY SAID, IT'S GREAT. 
          IT'S, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HEIGHT, WITH JUST THE POLES, THERE IS NO OBSTRUCTION. 
          AND, UH, THAT WAS, I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT THAT IMMEDIATELY BEFORE WE EVEN WENT DOWN THIS PATH, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T, UH, UH, OBSTRUCTING ANYBODY, ANY OTHER BUSINESSES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          MAYOR, I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SIGN CONTROLLED MINUTES AND SCB CASE NUMBER 24 0 1 AS PRESENTED WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE VARIANCE GRANTED WITH RESPECT TO THE SIGN FOR WHAT THE, FOR WHICH THE APPLICATION FOR VARIANCE WAS MADE. 
          AND IF THE SIGN IS REMOVED, THE VARIANCE DOES NOT ALLOW A NEW SIGN FOR THE SAME VARIANCE HEIGHT. 
          A NEW APPLICATION AND VARIANCE REQUEST IS REQUIRED FOR ANY PROPOSED SIGN, AND THAT EXCEEDS THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT UNDER THE CITY SIGN. 
          REGULATIONS. 
          BE LOOKING FOR A SECOND, MS. JUSTICE. 
          SECOND. 
          GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS 
          [11. CONSENT AGENDA]
TIME WE'LL GO TO ITEM 11, CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE MR. GRETCHEN? WRITER. 
          MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PUBLISHED MS. JUSTICE. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND, GOT A MOTION IN SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. 
          CONSENT AGENDA PASSES. 
          THAT BRINGS US TO 
          [12. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]
ITEM NUMBER 12, REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST COUNSEL, MR. BARRIOS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, AS OUR, UH, COMMUNITY'S GOING BACK TO SCHOOL, I KNOW RICHARDSON, I'M NOT SURE WHEN PLANO STARTED OR WILL START DATES, BUT I KNOW RICHARDSON STARTS BACK. 
          STUDENTS START BACK TOMORROW. 
          I JUST WANNA WISH EVERYBODY A, A GOOD, SAFE, UM, YEAR TO ALL OUR STUDENTS AND PARENTS. 
          I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE THIS SPRING WITHIN THE DI WITHIN RICHARDSON, ISDI KNOW ON THE CITY SIDE, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE BY STAFF TO TRY TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CROSSINGS BETTER AND SMOOTHER AND EASIER FOR STUDENTS. 
          AND I, I WISH EVERYBODY A A SAFE AND A SMOOTH YEAR. 
          SO GOOD LUCK TO EVERYBODY RETURNING TO SCHOOL TOMORROW. 
          THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE CORPORATE CHALLENGE KICKOFF WE HAD, UM, ON FRIDAY. 
          IT WAS, UH, A BLAST, AS ALWAYS A GOOD TIME. 
          UM, AND JUST TO, YOU KNOW, SHOUT OUT TO THE MAYOR, HE AND I WERE A TEAM IN A LITTLE, UH, CORNHOLE TOURNAMENT AGAINST CHIEF TITTLE AND MAYOR PRO TIMM SHAEL, AND WE MAY HAVE WON. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          NO DOUBT WE WON. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT MR. SHA WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU, IT WAS A HUMBLE WAY SHOWING THAT WE RESPECT YOU AS A MAYOR . 
          SO I DON'T THINK GARY, UH, CHIEF WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I SAW HIS EYE. 
          HE COULD HAVE REALLY WANTED, BUT HE WAS VERY NICE, UH, VERY NICE OF HIM. 
          I KNEW HE WAS A NICE PERSON, BUT HE'S, HE'S THE REALLY, REALLY NICE, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. HUD RATHER JUST LIKE TO ADD ON ONE MORE THING THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH SCHOOLS STARTING BACK UP, SCHOOL ZONES ARE BACK IN OPERATION, SO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE SLOW DOWN. 
          IT WAS A BIG STORY TODAY ABOUT A CHILD WHO WAS KILLED ON DAY ONE, UM, IN A CITY NORTH OF US. 
          AND WE CERTAINLY, NONE OF US EVER WANNA SEE THAT EVER OCCUR IN, IN OUR CITY. 
          SO PLEASE PEOPLE SLOW DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION TO SCHOOL ZONES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, A LOT OF THINGS THIS PAST WEEK, BUT THERE THERE WAS ONE, UM, MR. HUT RIDER'S DAUGHTER KAITLIN RECEIVED HER WHITE COAT THIS WEEKEND AND SHE HAS BEEN ADMITTED INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE HUTCH RIDER FAMILY. 
          I KNOW THAT'S A MONUMENT MONUMENTOUS MOMENT, THEN HOW YOU SAY IT. 
          ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE IS, THAT'S AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SO, WITH NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THIS AT 10:14 PM THANK YOU.
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