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[CALL TO ORDER]
I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE AT HOME, I'D LIKE TO NOTE EVERYONE KNOW THE COUNCIL MEMBER CURTIS DORIAN HAS JOINED US FOR THIS MEETING REMOTELY.HE HAS HAPPENS TO BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
SO FIRST ON OUR AGENDA WILL BE THE INVOCATION PLEDGE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER JOE CORP.
EVERYONE, PLEASE STAND IF YOU ARE ABLE TO TONIGHT FOR THE INVOCATION.
I WAS GONNA DO A QUICK READING OF THE POEM.
PEOPLE ARE OFTEN UNREASONABLE, IRRATIONAL, AND SELF-CENTERED.
IF YOU ARE KIND PEOPLE MAY ACCUSE YOU OF SELFISH, ULTERIOR MOTIVES.
IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL, YOU'LL WIN SOMEONE.
FAITHFUL FRIENDS AND SOME GENUINE ENEMIES SUCCEED ANYWAY.
IF YOU ARE HONEST AND SINCERE, PEOPLE MAY DECEIVE YOU.
WHAT YOU SPEND YEARS CREATING, OTHERS COULD DESTROY OVERNIGHT CREATE ANYWAY.
IF YOU FIND SERENITY AND HAPPINESS, SOME MAY BE JEALOUS.
THE GOOD YOU DO TODAY WILL OFTEN BE FORGOTTEN.
GIVE THE BEST YOU HAVE AND IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH.
IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND GOD.
IT WAS NEVER BETWEEN YOU AND THEM ANYWAY, BY MOTHER TERESA.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE ONE STATE UNDER GOD IS ONE AND INDIVIDUAL.
THANK, THANK YOU MR. CORCORAN.
AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM.
WE'RE NOT IN RECEIPT OF ANY CARDS IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE.
I THINK WE HAD ONE SPEAKER CARD, SO I TURN OVER.
NO, I HAD ONE SPEAKER SIGN UP IN ADVANCE.
IS ALEX STEIN IN THE AUDIENCE.
ALRIGHT, MS. ER, MR. STEIN IS NOT WITH US, SO WE'LL MOVE ON AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO
[4. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN PROGRESS ]
TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN PROGRESS.MR. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UH, VAN FAUL, OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATIONS HERE, AS WELL AS CHRIS CATONE.
UM, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TONIGHT TO PROVIDE YOU THIS EARLY INTERIM UPDATE ON OUR AQUATICS MASTER PLAN.
UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME FINDINGS, UH, THAT, UH, THE CONSULTANT TEAM HAS SHARED WITH US, UH, SOME THEMES THAT WE'VE, UH, CREATED AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC INPUT.
AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE CHRIS AND YVONNE AND THE WHOLE PARKS TEAM ON A REALLY THOROUGH PUBLIC INPUT AND ENGAGEMENT, UH, PROCESS TO DATE.
UM, AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, GET YOUR CONFIRMATION ON SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE GO BACK OUT FOR OUR SECOND ROUND OF, UH, PUBLIC BRIEFINGS.
IT'LL BE IMPORTANT THAT, UH, WE ALL AGREE ON, UM, THE, THE PRINCIPLES AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO THAT'LL BE THE MAIN MISSION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
SO ON THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR PUTTING THE BRIEFING TOGETHER.
AND THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR HAVING US HERE AND ALLOWING US THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AS DAWN SAID, WE ARE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN PROGRESS.
UM, AS A REMINDER, THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN DOES FALL UNDERNEATH THE CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC GOAL OF TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN RESIDENTS AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS.
OUR PURPOSE TONIGHT IS DAWN STATED, IS TO BRIEF YOU ON AN UPDATE OF THE PLAN AND TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR NEXT STEPS.
SO, JUST AS AN OVERVIEW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA COVER TONIGHT WITH THE MASTER PLAN IS OUR, A REMINDER OF OUR PROJECT GOLD.
SO THESE WERE DISCUSSED IN THE KICKOFF MEETING OR PRESENTATION THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD HAD SHARED OUR DISCOVERY PHASE RESULTS, WHICH WERE HANDLED BY OUR CONSULTANT TO COVER THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT AND MARKET ANALYSIS, A SUMMARY OF THE PUBLIC INPUT.
WE'RE GONNA SHARE OUR DRAFT OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND THEN POTENTIAL AQUATIC UPDATES AND OUR FUTURE STEPS.
SO THESE PROJECT GOLDS I HAD SHARED WITH YOU DURING OUR KICKOFF.
THIS IS JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT OUR INTENT WAS FOR THE MASTER PLAN.
SO THE PROJECT GOALS WERE TO DEVELOP LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLANS FOR AQUATIC SERVICES FOR RICHARDSON COMMUNITY, ALIGN SERVICES WITH EXPECTATIONS AND AQUATICS, AND CREATE A GUIDE FOR FUTURE AQUATIC SYSTEMS. RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE AQUATIC FEATURES, PREFERRED LOCATIONS OF FACILITIES BASED ON CURRENT AND FUTURE DEMOGRAPHICS, CONSIDERATIONS OR CONSIDERED IMPACT OF FUTURE PLANS FOR STAFFING LEVELS, PARTNERSHIP
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OPPORTUNITIES, MODERN MECHANICAL STRUCTURE AND OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES AS WELL AS WELL GREATER COMPREHENSIVE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION CITIZENS NEED TO FURTHER ENHANCE RICHARDSON AS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PROUD TO LIVE, WORK, INVEST, AND ENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY.SO OUR ASSESSMENTS, THIS WAS SOMETHING PART OF OUR DISCOVERY PHASE WHERE OUR CONSULTANTS WENT TO EACH FACILITY AND LISTED ALL OF THE, THE NOTES AND THEMES THAT THEY HAD NOTICED THROUGHOUT THOSE FACILITIES.
AND THIS IS JUST SUMMARIZING IT FOR YOU.
SO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS WERE CONSTRUCTED IN THE SIXTIES.
UM, CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE NOT OPTIMAL FOR MODERN INEFFICIENT OPERATIONS.
VARIOUS AMENITIES AND PLAY FEATURES ARE IN NEED OF REPLACEMENT.
UH, REPLASTERING IS NEEDED AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS.
AND THEN THE CONCRETE DECK OR DECKING IS DELAMINATING AND HAS CORROSIONS AND FALLING AS WELL AS STANDING WATER.
AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, STANDING WATER BECOMES AN ISSUE WITH THE CONCRETE BECAUSE IT DOES ABSORB INTO THE CONCRETE AND POTENTIALLY CREATES FURTHER CRACKS.
AND THEN SEVERAL LOCATIONS WERE IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING A DA AND IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THE OTHER PART OF THE DISCOVERY PHASE WAS THE MARKET ANALYSIS.
THIS, AGAIN, WAS SOMETHING THAT OUR CONSULTANT PUT TOGETHER.
UM, THIS MAP WILL SHOW THE, UM, AMENITIES, OUR CITY OF RICHARDSON POOLS AND THE DRIVE TIME OF THOSE IT BYSTANDARD.
AND SO AS YOU SEE THE, THE BUBBLES, IF YOU WILL, THOSE OUTLINE WHAT THE BREACH IS OF OUR CURRENT POOLS.
AND SO THE CONENT POOL IS WITHIN DRIVE TIME RADIUS OF TERRACE POOL AND HEIGHT AQUATIC CENTER.
YOU'LL SEE THAT TERRACE AND GLENVILLE HAVE AN OVERLAPPING SERVICE AREA.
AND THEN CANYON CREEK COTTONWOOD AND HEIGHTS ALSO HAVE AN OVERLAPPING SERVICE AREA.
HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY, UM, INCLUSIVE.
SO NOT EVERY RESIDENT IS TOUCHED BY ALL THREE OF THOSE POOL.
NOW THIS MAP MAP OUTLINES THE BORDERS OF OUR CITY LIMITS, AND IT'S GONNA SHOW YOU ALL OF OUR POOLS WITHIN OUR BORDER AND OUTSIDE OF THE BORDER.
INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, NOT JUST CITY MUNICIPAL POOLS.
SO THE ORANGE CIRCLES, UH, INDICATE AN INDOOR POOL POOL.
THE BLUE CIRCLES ARE THE OUTDOOR POOLS.
AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT ON THIS THAT, UM, AND I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT ON THE OTHER MAP, BUT IF YOU NOTICE, THE, THE NORTHEAST SQUADRON OF RICHARDSON DOES NOT HAVE ANY CITY AQUATIC FACILITIES, NOR DOES IT HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, SERVICES PROVIDERS OF AQUATICS IN THAT AREA, EXCEPT FOR A SPLASH PAD OF MURPHY AND SAXE THAT ARE VERY SMALL SPLASH PADS.
NOW, OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AGAIN, THIS WAS ANOTHER PHASE OF THE DISCOVERY, UH, PROCESS OF OUR PROGRAM.
SO OUR CONSULTANTS, UH, MET WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.
WE HELD THREE PUBLIC, UM, OPEN ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS, AND WE HAD A SURVEY THAT WAS OPEN FROM MAY, EARLY MAY THROUGH JULY 5TH.
AND WITH THAT, THOSE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WERE ONE-ON-ONE, NOT ONE-ON-ONE, BUT SPECIFIC USER GROUP MEETINGS.
MEETINGS STARTED WITH CITY STAFF, ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO MOST OF YOU WERE PART OF THAT.
OUR DAY CAMP AND DAYCARE PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, COMPETITIVE AQUATIC GROUPS, WHICH WERE PRIVATE COMPETITIVE SWIMMERS AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND OUR HIGHER EDUCATION FACILITIES.
AND THEN WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT WERE PRESENT.
DURING THOSE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, WE HAD THE THREE OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS, AND THOSE WERE ALL VERY WELL ATTENDED.
THE, THE THING I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS IT WASN'T JUST AN INDIVIDUAL.
MOST OF THE TIMES WE HAD FAMILIES THAT CAME AND THEIR CHILDREN THAT CAME.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FEEDBACK FROM CHILDREN AS WELL IN THIS PROCESS.
AND THEN OUR SURVEY RESULTS, WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE JUST UNDER 1100 COMPLETED SURVEYS.
SO THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PART WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED.
WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK.
AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES, THESE ARE GONNA BE SUMMARIES OF THE THEMES FROM THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AS WELL AS THE SURVEY.
UH, THIS IS INFORMATION THAT WE OBTAINED.
UM, WE DID NOT SET ANY BOUNDARIES WHEN WE, WE GATHERED THIS INFORMATION.
IT WAS MORE OF WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER AND WHAT ARE YOUR DESIRES.
SO OUR THEMES THAT CAME OUT OF THIS ARE MESSAGING WAS A DESIRE FOR A INDOOR POOL.
MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS REQUESTED INDOOR POOL FACILITIES, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A YEAR-ROUND OPERATION THAT WOULD CATER TO PEOPLE WHO PREFER LAP SWIMMING.
UH, WATER FITNESS CLASSES OF WARMER WATER AND COMPETITIVE SWIMMING, AS WELL AS A, A RECREATIONAL
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FEATURE TO IT AS WELL.WE HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS HIGHLIGHTING THE NEED FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR EXISTING POOLS, UM, FOR BETTER MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AT THE CURRENT POOLS.
EXAMPLES OF THAT WERE MORE SHAPE STRUCTURES, UH, IMPROVED RESTROOMS, ADULT ONLY SWIM AREAS OR SWIM TIMES, AND EXPANDED LAP SWIMMING AS WELL.
WE HEARD A FOCUS ON SPECIFIC USER GROUPS AND AMENITIES.
THESE REQUESTS WERE MORE TO CATERED TO, TO DIFFERENT GROUPS.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE YOUR SENIOR AUDIENCE.
SO MAKING SURE THAT THERE WERE PROGRAMMING, UM, OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD FIT THAT AGE DEMOGRAPHIC, EASIER ACCESS INTO THE POOLS AND OUT OF THE POOLS AS WELL AS CHILDREN'S AREA.
SO SPLASH PADS, MORE PLATE AREAS, AND THEN KIND COMPETITIVE SWIMMING.
SO DIVING BOARDS, MORE LAP LANES AVAILABLE, MORE LAP TIMES AVAILABLE, AND MORE OF THAT COMPETITIVE POOL SIZE.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HEARD A REOCCURRING THEME OF A NEED FOR A POOL OR AMENITY, AQUATIC AMENITY IN THE EASTERN PART OF RICHARDSON IN THE BREAKENRIDGE AREA.
UM, JUST TO IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY FOR RESIDENTS IN THAT SIDE OF TOWN.
ENHANCED OPERATIONAL SEASON, THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR YEAR ROUND, UH, AQUATIC OFFERINGS AS WELL AS AN EXTENDED SEASONAL OFFERING.
SO OUR POOLS THAT ARE OPEN ON A SEASONAL BASIS, OPEN THOSE EARLIER IN MAY, KEEP 'EM OPEN LONGER IN SEPTEMBER AND INCREASE THE HOURS.
SO OPEN EARLY, STAY OPEN LATER.
WE ALSO HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, UH, IMPROVED SHADE AT EACH LOCATION.
SO THIS IS SOME TYPE OF SHADE STRUCTURE TO MITIGATE THE HEAT OF THE CONCRETE AS WELL AS PROTECTION FROM THE SUN.
AND THEN PROVIDE FITNESS AND COMPETITIVE SWIMMING OFFER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD REALLY FOCUS ON ADULT FOCUSED LAP SWIMMING AND FITNESS PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS THE COMPETITIVE SIDE.
SO BASED ON THE PUBLIC INPUT AND OUR ORIGINAL PROJECT GOALS, WE WERE ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CONSULTANT AND DRAFT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
UM, THESE ARE GONNA BE REALLY CRITICAL FOR US IN OUR NEXT STEP.
THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WILL BASICALLY HELP US WITH OUR FINAL INPUT MEETINGS, AND THEY'LL HELP, UM, ALLOW SOME UNDERSTANDING FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO I'LL GO THROUGH THESE WITH YOU.
FIRST, IS DEVELOP AN APPROACH THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION DISTRIBUTION OF SERVICES ACROSS THE COMMUNITY TO ENSURE ALL RESIDENTS HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN AQUATIC RECREATION.
PRODUCE A PLAN THAT PROMOTES ACCESS TO AQUATIC FACILITIES, PROGRAMMING FOR RESIDENTS AT VARIOUS AGES, INTERESTS AND ABILITIES.
DEVELOP AN APPROACH THAT CONSIDERS ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY TO ENSURE A BALANCE BETWEEN CAPITAL COST AND LONG TERM OPERATING COST.
PRIORITIZE A FINANCIALLY SOUND AQUATIC SYSTEM AND ADOPT A BALANCED APPROACH THAT IS ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE.
AND THAT CONSIDERS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
CREATE A PLAN THAT EMBRACES MODERNIZATION AND VERSATILITY TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY IN PROGRAMMING OPTIONS AND CAN CATER TO USERS AT VARIOUS AGES, INTERESTS AND ABILITIES, PRIORITIZE THE MODERNIZATION OF FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT, CREATE MORE DESIRABLE AND EFFICIENT VENUES.
AND THEN LASTLY, MAINTAIN THE CITY'S HIGH CALIBER COMMUNITY EVENTS AND RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS TO APPEAL TO PERSONS OF VARIOUS AGES, INTERESTS AND ABILITIES TO CULTIVATE THE CITY'S REPUTATION AS A DESTINATION FOR PREMIER ACTIVITIES AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THE NORTH TEXAS REGION.
SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED THROUGH OUR FACILITY ASSESSMENTS, AS WELL AS THE MARKET ANALYSIS AND THE PUBLIC INPUT, HERE ARE SOME PRELIMINARY TOPICS THAT WE NEED TO, UM, PRESENT FOR ADDITIONAL EXPLORATION.
SO REFRESH AND RESTORE THE CURRENT POOLS WITH AN AS IS APPROACH.
REPLACE EXISTING FACILITIES WITH NEW FACILITIES, ELIMINATE A FACILITY OR FACILITIES, REMOVE AND REPLACE WITH A SPLASH PAD, BUILD A NEW SPLASH PAD, AND THEN AN INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL EDITION.
SO ONE OF THE STEPS FOR OUR, UM, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE STATIONS TO OBTAIN FURTHER FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON THESE SPECIFIC TOPICS.
SO WITH THAT, OUR NEXT STEPS TONIGHT, WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
THAT'S OUR, OUR PRIMARY FOCUS.
AFTER THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE FINALIZED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HOLD TWO MORE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS.
AND FROM THERE WE'LL ALSO HAVE A SURVEY THAT WILL GO OUT FOR A LIMITED TIMEFRAME TO PROVIDE CONTACTS WITH POTENTIAL OPTIONS
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AND IMPLEMENTATION PLANS TO OUR CITIZENS TO GAIN THEIR FEEDBACK.ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, WE'LL FINALIZE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO PRESENT THE FINAL PLAN.
SO THE TIMELINE OF THIS IS, IS END OF OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER IS WHEN WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.
AND THE ADDITIONAL SURVEY END OF NOVEMBER IS WHEN WE'LL FINALIZE THE MASTER PLAN, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PROJECTED TIMEFRAME OF EARLY DECEMBER.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OR DISCUSS FURTHER.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE, THE GUIDING GUIDING GOALS.
JUST, JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN BY MODERNIZATION, IS THAT JUST THERE'S, THERE'S NEW FANCY WAYS OF DOING PULLS OR SPLASH PADS, THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT.
OR IS THAT ADDING CHANGE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN THIS CONTEXT? THAT IS UPDATING THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, THE MOST RECENT EQUIPMENT THAT IS WIFI ACCESSIBLE, THAT GIVES OUR STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO MONITOR IT WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING ON SITE ALL THE TIME.
UM, BUT BY HAVING THE MORE MODERN EQUIPMENT, YOUR EFFICIENCIES AND YOUR COST SAVINGS WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BEING WASTEFUL WITH RESOURCES THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I JUST WASN SURE WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT.
SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HERE, WHERE ELIMINATE A FACILITY OR FACILITIES, RIGHT? THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA EXPLORE AND THEN THE FOLLOWING SAYS REMOVE AND IN PLACE.
SO I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA YEAH.
DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF REMOVING A FACILITY AND WHETHER WE WANT TO REPLACE IT, OR IS IT, IF WE REMOVE, WE WILL REPLACE IT? ARE YOU KIND OF THERE YET? OR IS IT ONE OF THOSE WE SOMETHING WE'RE NOT OR WE MAY REPLACE IT WITH THE SPLASH? YEAH, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
THESE ARE POTENTIAL IDEAS BASED ON WHAT THE CONSULTANTS HAVE DISCOVERED THROUGH THE DISCOVERY PHASE.
UM, THERE IS A CHANCE, AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT WE SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC, THAT A FACILITY COULD BE TAKEN OFFLINE AND NOTHING WOULD BE REPLACED WITH THAT.
UM, OR IT COULD BE REPLACED WITH A SPLASH PAD OR IT COULD BE REPLACED WITH A NEW FACILITY.
UM, SO IT REALLY GOES BACK TO WHAT, WHAT THE PUBLIC FILLS THE NEEDS ARE AND WHAT'S GONNA FIT WITHIN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT YOU SET FORTH MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK, UH, EVERYTHING I SEE IS GREAT.
UH, WHEN, WHEN IT DOES COME TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S BROUGHT BEFORE EITHER THIS COUNCIL OR FOR COUNCIL.
UM, I THINK LOOKING AT, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, BUT IN THE FUTURE, UH, WHEN WE DO GET TO THAT POINT, LOOKING AT LIKE THINGS LIKE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF USERS ON AN AVERAGE DAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHOWING THE DECLINE OF USERSHIP AND CIRCLES OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME IS, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE THINKING ABOUT.
UH, BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT POINT, IF THAT COULD BE PART OF THAT, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP US JUST COMMUNICATE, YOU KNOW, THE, I KNOW JUST BASED ON SOME VERY PRELIMINARY DECISIONS WHEN THE SURVEY WENT OUT AND STARTED GETTING QUESTIONS, ARE THEY GONNA DO THIS? AND OBVIOUSLY I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO ONE OF THE POOLS THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE COTTONWOOD POOLS, PROBABLY ONE OF THE LESS BUSY POOLS IN THE CITY.
SO, UM, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE WANT, LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE THERE? AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE MORE UNDERUTILIZED POOLS.
SO WHEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT DATA AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ONE QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED, AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AROUND THIS IS OFTENTIMES YOU'LL SEE AT LIKE HOTELS AND OTHER PLACES, THEY'LL MINIMIZE THE DEPTH OF A POOL AND THEY WILL MAKE IT A SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK TYPE OF POOL.
AND I KNOW IF YOU GO, I THINK IT'S ONE MORE PAGE FORWARD YEAH.
RIGHT THERE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY.
IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT AS WE LOOK AT THESE VARIOUS POOLS, FOR EXAMPLE, A LAP POOL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, STANDARD SIX FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OR IS THERE THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER A MORE OF A, UM, I'LL USE THE WORD SHALLOW POOL THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE GOALS? BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN WE TALKED, NOT THIS COUNCIL, BUT I THINK IT WAS TWO COUNCILS AGO, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT, DON, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO GO IN AND, AND RAISE THE CAPITAL AND, AND OR BOND, HOWEVER YOU WOULD DO THAT AND, AND PUT A POOL IN.
BUT THEN IT IS, AS YOU POINT OUT IN HERE, A LONG TERM OPERATING COST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE LOT LIFEGUARDS.
AND IF IT'S A INDOOR POOL, THEN THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE OPEN YEAR ROUND VERSUS THE,
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UM, SUMMER EMPLOYMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY DO WITH OUR LIFEGUARD.SO IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY OR IS IT JUST TOO LARGE OF A, OF A LIABILITY RISK FOR US, OR DO WE HAVE OPTIONS TO LOOK AT TO GO WITH MORE SHALLOW POOL AND A SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK KIND OF A SCENARIO? I'M JUST, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REGULATIONS AROUND ALL OF THAT.
SO I THOUGHT IN ORDER TO HELP FROM A DRAFT GUIDING, GUIDING PRINCIPLE STANDPOINT, I KIND OF KIND OF WANTED TO EXPLORE THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT.
WHEN IT COMES TO BODY OF WATER, ESPECIALLY RUN BY MUNICIPALITY BASED ON AQUATIC CODES, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE STAFF THERE TO MONITOR IT.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD RUN WITHOUT STAFFING THERE WOULD BE A, A SPLASH PAD.
SO THAT'S WATER COMES OUT, BUT IT DRAINS IMMEDIATELY, SO THERE'S NO STANDING WATER.
SO NO CHANCE OF AN ACTUAL DROWNING FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
EVEN WITH, AND YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH A FOOT OF WATER OR TWO FEET OF WATER, THERE'S A CHANCE OF DROWNING.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT AS A MUNICIPALITY TO AVOID THAT LIABILITY AND TO MEET THE CODES WE HAVE STAFFED THERE.
SO, AND I WILL POINT OUT, EVEN IF IT'S A SPLASH PAD, THERE'S NOT STANDING WATER, THERE ARE CHEMICAL NEEDS AND THOSE STILL HAVE TO BE CHECKED ON A FREQUENT LEVEL TO ENSURE THAT THE WATER IS SAFE.
I I JUST WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR A SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK KIND OF KIND OF SCENARIO.
'CAUSE IN MY MIND THAT WOULD, IN MY MIND, IN MY MIND, I'M, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT THAT COULD POSSIBLY OPEN UP SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF, UM, FACILITIES.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
MR. CORPORATE, CORPORATE, CAN YOU, YOU, UM, CAN YOU PLEASE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT HAD THE GOALS ON IT? I THINK IT'S WAY AT THE BEGINNING.
SO I THINK IT'S SLIDE FIVE MM-HMM.
I GUESS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM, SO I JUST A A JUST YOUR STAFF OPINION TYPE QUESTION.
I MEAN, ASSUMING IF EVERYTHING WERE FULLY MODERNIZED UP TO THE LEVEL THAT I THINK I THINK YOU AND YOU AND STAFF FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE, I MEAN, I MEAN IS THE CURRENT, I GUESS THE, UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE RIGHT WORD.
THE CURRENT MAYBE, MAYBE COST OF RUNNING THE POOLS AND THE COST OF RUNNING, RUNNING AQUATIC SYSTEM.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK, UM, THE CURRENT SYSTEM JUSTIFIES THE COST OF RUNNING IT OR WOULD JUSTIFY THE COST OF RUNNING IT IF WE HAD EVERYTHING? IF WE KEPT EVERYTHING AS IT HAS, IT JUST UPGRADED, UPGRADED, UM, ALL THE FACILITIES.
WHEN YOU SAY UPGRADE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REBUILDING AS THEY ARE SO REFRESHING 'EM AND RE MODERNIZING? SO I GUESS I'M, IS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY KIND OF FIGURE OUT THIS STUDY? SO THE CONSULTANTS HAVE ALREADY SAT DOWN AND LOOKED AT HERE'S WHAT THE EXPENSE WOULD BE, HERE'S WHAT YOUR ATTENDANCE NUMBER WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE TO.
UM, SO THE REALITY IS, BY DOING AN AS IS CHANGE, YOUR POOLS WILL STAY THE SAME, YOUR ATTENDANCE WILL IMPROVE SLIGHTLY, YOUR COST WILL REDUCE SLIGHTLY.
AND REALLY OUR, OUR MAIN EXPENSES ARE THE CHEMICAL AND THE, THE STAFFING SIDE.
SO AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THIS IS REALLY WHAT THE PUBLIC'S GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD JOE THAT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE A VALUE, VALUE POSITION BECAUSE, I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT ALL REQUIRE, REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CAPITAL, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OPERATING.
REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT IS THE RIGHT BALANCE OF INVESTMENT AND OPERATING COSTS TO MEET THE HIGHEST, UM, TO BE MOST RESPONSIVE TO THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE EXERCISE IS TO, TO COME BACK TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN BE MOST RESPONSIVE TO THE MOST, UH, STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THIS STRATEGY.
AND IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE BEST BALANCE OF BOTH CAPITAL COST AND OPERATING EXPENSES ON A, ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF, WHAT'RE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE KIND OF NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK WE'RE TRYING TO FIND.
I THINK, I THINK FROM MY IDEA, JUST, YOU KNOW, TO BEST GIVE YOU GUYS THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, FOR, I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN APPLYING, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROJECT GOALS AND DRAFT GUIDING PRINCIPLES WHEN YOU'RE APPLYING IT TO WHAT THE PLAN IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEY CONSULT THE GOALS ARE MORE ABOUT THE STUDY.
THE, THE GUIDING GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE MORE ABOUT DEFINING HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TAKING INPUT
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AND FORM, FORMING THAT INPUT INTO A RECOMMENDATION.THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.
THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WILL BE SHARED AT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.
SO THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY COME, THAT'S GONNA BE ALMOST A, A GUIDE FOR HOW THEY NEED TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS, TAKING THOSE ITEMS INTO CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THAT THE GUIDING, I THINK GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE, THEY CAPTURE, THEY CAPTURE KIND OF, OF I GUESS ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD PUT, PUT PUBLIC OPINION INTO, INTO THE PLAN.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FOR 'EM AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GREAT PRESENTATION OF SLIDE NUMBER 13.
IF YOU CAN GO THERE, THERE ARE SIX BULLET POINT FOR ADDITIONAL EXPLORATION THAT YOU HAVE.
AND, UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING THE SHARED SHED AREA FOR EACH POLE, WHAT, WHAT CATEGORY WOULD FALL INTO, INTO, CAN YOU, UH, RESTATE THAT FOR ME? IMPROVING, I CAN, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME INPUT, UM, FROM OUTSIDE THAT SAID THAT YOU NEED TO IMPROVE THE SHADED AREA OH, YES.
SO UNDER WHICH CATEGORY? THIS WOULD FALL, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THESE, UM, REFRESH FRESH AND RESTORE CURRENT POOLS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
ANY NEW FACILITY THAT WOULD BE BUILT, SHADE WOULD BE A PRIORITY.
UM, OF COURSE, ELIMINATING A FACILITY SHADE WOULD NOT BE A PRIORITY IN THAT.
UM, IF WE WERE TO PUT A SPLASH PAD IN, AGAIN, SHADE WOULD BE A PRIORITY.
SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN ANY PLAN HERE THAT HAS A, A NEW OR IMPROVED.
THAT'S, NOW I PROBABLY MISSED YOUR EXPLANATION THAT, THAT, UH, BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT IS THAT, YOU MEAN BY THAT YOU MOVE AND REPLACE WITH THE SPLASH PAD? WHAT IS, SO WITH THAT BULLET POINT, IT WOULD BE REMOVE A POOL, TAKE THAT POOL OFFLINE AND REPLACE IT WITH THE SPLASH PAD PAD.
JUST, JUST IF THE STUDY SHOWS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT POOL THERE.
WITHOUT THOSE AND, UM, INTERESTED LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE EXPLANATION ON THIS AND ALSO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, KEN HUTCH RATHER MENTIONED, THAT, THAT IF WE CAN HAVE THOSE KIND OF THINGS, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND IF WE CAN SOMEHOW PUT THAT THING IN SOME OF THE THING THAT THIS WAS LOOKED AT IT, AND THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE THIS WAY, JUST LOOKED AT IT AND WE CAN DO THIS WAY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST CASE THE DOCUMENTATION.
AND YVONNE, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
I I KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK AT SUSTAINABILITY AND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD DEVELOPING, UH, THE RECREATIONAL AREAS AND, AND, AND THE FULL SURFACES AND SO FORTH.
IF, ARE WE LOOKING AT, AS WE UPDATE THE BUILDINGS AND SOME OF THE DECKING MATERIAL, IS THAT GOING TO BE, HAS THAT BEEN DETERMINED ON WHAT TYPES OF MATERIALS WE'RE GOING TO USE? OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD IN THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE THAT WILL BE DECIDED AND DICTATED WHEN, WHEN AND IF WE GET TO THE DESIGN PHASE? SO THIS IS REALLY WHAT'S NEEDED AND WHERE IS IT NEEDED? UM, SO THE CONSULTANT WILL NOT GO INTO THAT KIND OF DETAIL.
THEY WILL GIVE US A VERY, UM, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.
SO SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN, IN THIS SLIDE HERE, THAT IS A, A OVERVIEW OF WHAT A SLIDE COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DETAILS TO IT.
AS, UH, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT DESIGN TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE NEXT PHASES, I'D LIKE TO LOOK, I'D LIKE TO HOPEFULLY CONSIDER, LIKE ARE WE GOING TO BE REPLACING FURNITURE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FF AND E MATERIALS, UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING ANY MATERIALS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UH, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE USING OR REPLACING AND REPAIRING ANY, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS ON THE DECKING AND SURROUNDING LANDSCAPING AREAS, THE SAW ESCAPING AREAS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, MR. BARRIOS.
I WANTED, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE COMMENT I MADE EARLIER, AND I WANNA PRICE SOME CLARIFICATION AND KIND OF A CHALLENGE THERE.
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MENTIONED ABOUT THE DATA, UM, AND I WAS THINKING, AND SOMETIMES DATA IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UH, BUT IT DOES ALWAYS GET TO THE, IT SHOWS US WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT DOESN'T SHOW US THE WHY.UM, I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT WE ASK OURSELVES, YOU, WHAT'S HAPPENING? WHAT DO WE NEED TO, HOW DO WE NEED TO RESPOND? BUT ALSO WHY I THINK A WORST CASE SCENARIO IN MY MIND, OR NOT WORST CASE SCENARIO, NEVER SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, LIFE HAS A FUNNY WAY OF CHALLENGING THAT.
BUT, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE THE AND NOT SO GREAT SCENARIOS WOULD BE, HEY, COTTONWOOD POOL VILLE POLLS SHOW THE LOWER USERSHIP.
WE, WE, WE END UP, END UP PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE AND CLOSING THOSE BECAUSE THEY DO SHOW THE LOWEST USERSHIP.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY DO, IF I WAS LISTENING, I JUST, YOU KNOW, AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? UM, BUT LET'S SAY COTTONWOOD ON GLENVILLE, WELL THOSE ARE TWO MOST SOUTHERN KNOWING KIND OF WHERE, HOW LOT SIZES ARE SET UP THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THAT'S ALSO MORE CONCENTRATED AREAS FROM THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST AMOUNT OF CHILDREN.
BUT YET, YET, OSU USERSHIP, UM, ALSO HAVE, HAVE BACKYARDS THAT DON'T HAVE THE BACKYARDS BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE A BACKYARD POOL LIKE THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY DOES.
UH, SO I WOULD HATE TO SEE TO BE AN ACCESSIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASK OURSELVES, OKAY, WHY DO WE HAVE SUCH LOW USERSHIP WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WITHOUT BACKYARD POOLS, WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE COUNTRY CLUB WITHOUT ACCESS TO THAT, BUT YET THEY'RE NOT COMING TO COMING POOL POOL.
IS IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PROVIDING RIGHT FACILITIES? IS IT, IS IT A, UM, COST ISSUE? IS IT A ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN DATA WHERE CERTAIN MINORITY GROUPS HAVE HIGHER DROWN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARE MORE LIKELY DROWNED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, SWIM LESSONS LIKE PERHAPS MY SON DID.
OR MAYBE SOMEBODY WITH A LITTLE MORE RESOURCES THAT CAN AFFORD SWIM LESSONS.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT, I GUESS THE HUMANITY OF THIS, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, IS ASKING OURSELVES, WHY DO WE HAVE THIS? WHAT CAN WE AS A CITY DO TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT AND PROVIDE, 'CAUSE I DEFINITELY WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM HAVE NO ACCESS TO POOL.
AND AGAIN, KNOWING THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO GO JOIN THE COUNTRY CLUB OR HAVE A BACKYARD TO BUILD A BACKYARD POOL OR HAVE A FRIEND WITH BACKYARD POOL, AND THEN NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN NOT HAVE A CITY POOL.
LIKE I, THAT WOULD BE A, UM, AND NOT SO GREAT THINGS.
SO I THINK JUST KEEP THAT, THAT IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD IS THAT HUMANITY SIDE AND ACCESS AND ASK OURSELVES WHILE THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
[5. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-22, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, INDOOR USE (VIRTUAL GOLF SIMULATOR) IN AN EXISTING SUITE SPACE ON AN 8.1-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COLLINS/ARAPAHO TOD & INNOVATION DISTRICT (STATION AREA SUBDISTRICT), LOCATED AT 1002 N. CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND ARAPAHO ROAD. ]
TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ZONING FILE 24 22, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT VIRTUAL GOLF SIMULATOR AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND ARAPAHOE ROAD.MAYOR, COUNSEL, UH, SENIOR PLANNER DEREK PETERS IS WITH US TONIGHT TO PRESENT, UH, OUR THREE UH, ZONING CASES.
UH, DEREK IS GONNA GO OVER A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND WHY IT'S REQUIRED, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS GONNA PROVIDE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND THEN BE AVAILABLE TO YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION QUESTIONS.
DEREK, THANKS FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE BRIEF RETURN OVER TO YOU.
THANK THE SUBJECT SITE FOR THIS REQUEST IS LOCATED AT 1002 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
THIS IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ARAPAHO CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AS PART OF THE COLLINS AND ARAPAHOE FORM BASED CODE, UM, INNOVATION DISTRICT PD, AND WITHIN THE STATION AREA SUBDISTRICT.
AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR INDOOR COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, MORE SPECIFICALLY AN INDOOR GOLF SIMULATOR BUSINESS.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE TODAY.
SO THE SITE HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SIX SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS PROVIDING 117,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL LEASE SPACE.
THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN OF THAT SITE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS WITH BIRDIE BAY GOLF.
THEY INTEND TO OCCUPY THE LEASE SPACE IN THE NORTHWEST QUARTER OF THE BUILDING OF THE SITE.
IT'S GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET EAST SPACE.
THIS SITE PROVIDES 306 PARKING SPACES OVERALL, AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE, UH, SAID THAT THEY ONLY EXPECT TO NEED 15 PLATE SPACES AT MAX MAXIMUM.
THIS IS A FOUR PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH SHOWS THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE FIVE INDIVIDUAL GOLF SIMULATION BASE, WHICH CAN SUPPORT FOUR PLAYERS IN EACH, SO THEY CAN SUPPORT 20 PLAYERS AT MAXIMUM.
UM, ALSO IN THIS FACILITY, THEY'LL PROVIDE A
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GOLF PRO SHOP AND A BAR WHERE THEY WILL SERVE REFRESHMENTS AND DRINKS AND FOOD.THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY FROM 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND FRIDAY TO SATURDAY FROM 9:00 AM TO 12:00 AM THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
AND THESE SPECIAL CONDITIONS ARE LISTED HERE.
UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT'S TYPICAL WITH THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS THAT IT IS LIMITED TO BERTIE BAY AS THE OPERATOR.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
ERICA, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ERICA? OKAY.
ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO AND SHARE WITH US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD, AND ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US.
UH, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS ANDREW REIG, UH, WITH MASTER PLAN 2201 MAIN STREET, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1, UH, HERE REPRESENTING, UH, BIRDIE BAY FOR THIS, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST TONIGHT.
I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU JUST A REALLY QUICK OVERVIEW OVER THEIR, UH, THEIR OPERATION.
THEY, UH, ONE OF THE CO-FOUNDERS, UH, WAS STATIONED OVER IN SOUTH KOREA, WHERE INDOOR, UH, GOLF IS A VERY POPULAR ACTIVITY OVER THERE.
AND HE TOLD HIS BROTHERS, UH, IN TULSA, OKLAHOMA ABOUT THIS THING THAT HE'S SEEING ALL OVER SOUTH KOREA.
SO WHAT THEY HAD DI, WHAT THEY HAD DONE IS STARTED A INDOOR, UH, GOLF ATTRACTION IN TULSA, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN OPEN FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
AND NOW THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND, OBVIOUSLY, UH, HERE TO RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
UM, THIS, THIS GOLF SIMULATION, THEY USES A SPECIAL TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY CALLED GOLF ON.
UM, AND THIS, AS EXPLAINED IN THE BRIEFING, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, FIVE BAYS, FOUR PEOPLE PER BAY.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF GAMES THAT YOU CAN PLAY.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PLAY A FULL ROUND OF GOLF, YOU CAN PLAY MINI GAMES.
THINK OF IT KIND OF LIKE TOP GOLF, BUT ALL INSIDE, ALL INDOOR TO HELP, UH, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE TEXAS HEAT AND THE SUMMERS.
UM, SO THIS IS A, UH, NEWER TYPE OF, UH, UH, BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE GOING IN HERE.
WE MEET ALL THE CITY REQUIREMENTS AND WE'RE EXCITED AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING HERE.
I WANT TO QUICKLY JUST SHOW A COUPLE IMAGES, UM, OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE INTERIOR.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT GOLF BAY WITH, WITH FOUR PLAYERS PER BAY.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO BRING GUESTS TO, UH, WATCH AND PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MAYOR, THEY'RE PICKING ON ME BECAUSE THEY KNOW I'M, I'M, I'M PROBABLY THE BIGGEST GOLFER ON COUNCIL.
UM, UM, SO, UM, JUST JUST A COUPLE COUPLE OF CURIOSITY QUESTIONS.
IS IT, IS IT, DO YOU RENT THE BAY BAY HOUR OR BY, HOW'S THE, HOW'S THE RENTAL SET UP ON THAT? I BELIEVE, UH, IT WAS BY HOUR.
WE ONLY HAVE, UM, UH, PETER OVER HERE EXPLAIN SOME OF THE OPERATION, UH, CHARACTERISTICS FOR YOU.
HEY, UH, MY NAME'S PETER WELDON, 41 63 PARKWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 0.
UH, WE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE SIMULATION PLACES ARE POPPING UP WITH MEMBERSHIP MODELS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE JUST THINK IT'S REALLY COOL TECHNOLOGY THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WE GO WITH THE PUBLIC PUBLIC MEMBERSHIP OPTION.
AND THEN, UM, YOU'LL HAVE, HAVE YOU SAID YOU'LL HAVE, UM, BOTH NON-ALCOHOLIC AND HAVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, AND THEN WE HAVE FOOD THERE ALSO? YES, SIR.
WILL IT BE LIKE, LIKE CAN YOU BAR FOOD? WILL IT BE, UH, SO YOU'RE AN AVID GOLFER, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE A LIMITED, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SPACE WITH THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN AFFORD A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN OR ALL THE GOLF SIMULATORS.
UH, SO WE HAVE ALL LIGHT BITES, UH, HOT DOGS.
WE REALLY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO MAKING THOSE GOOD.
'CAUSE WE ONLY HAD SERVED SO MUCH, UH, CHIPS AND QUESOS AND CHARCUTERIE BOARDS FOR THE TABLE.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE WE'RE GONNA PARTNER WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING RESTAURANTS LIKE TACO Z MOS AND, UH, FIVE 10 BARBECUE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TACO TUESDAYS, WE'LL BRING IN SOME OF THEIR FOOD, YOU KNOW, RESELL IT, THAT, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE BEVERAGES ARE CONCERNED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE NON-ALCOHOLIC AND ALCOHOLIC ALCOHOL AVAILABLE FOR.
ACTUALLY HAVE ACTUALLY A SERIOUS COMPONENT OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE ALWAYS CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AGAIN, PEOPLE WILL START UTILIZING THE BAY OVER AN HOUR AND BE ENJOYING THEMSELVES AND HAVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT I'LL SAY SOMEWHAT, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? A LITTLE BIT OF ON THE HARDY SIDE OF FOOD,
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PEOPLE CAN GET THEMSELVES OUT OF, OF, OUT OF WHACK, IF YOU WILL, IF WE CAN PUT THAT TERMINOLOGY THAT WAY.AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE FOOD IS BECAUSE I, I, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, SO IF IT WAS JUST GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHARCUTERIE, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE MIXING OF, OF VERY, VERY LIGHT FOOD AND ALCOHOL AND, AND, AND JUST HAVING CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY ON A FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT.
PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO HAVE FUN AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, LIKE YOU'RE BEING VERY RESPONSIBLE, SO DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, BASED ON YOUR ANSWERS, SO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT? OKAY, THANK YOU.
IF ANY OTHER ITEMS ARISE THIS TIME, WE'LL GO TO THE OPEN THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER, SPEAKER, MS. NEER, ER, NO CARDS MAYOR, NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARRIES SPEAK.
MAYOR, I'M, BEFORE WE CLOSE THAT, CAN I ASK MS. PETER A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
HEY, HEY, DEREK, WHAT'S, I'M JUST KIND OF, UM, DO ALL COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENTS COME TO US? WHAT'S, I GUESS THE COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT KIND OF THREW ME OFF AND I'M JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE WHY THIS SOMETHING, THIS COMES TO US.
I KNOW IN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT, IN THIS SUBDISTRICT, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COME AND GET A SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO THAT VARIES THAT MOST OF OUR ZONING ACROSS THE CITY, CITY, UM, AND THAT'S OTHER EXAMPLES MAY BE LIKE TRAMPOLINE PARKS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD.
THERE'S A VARIETY OF INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT ELSE WOULD FALL UNDER COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT.
MM-HMM,
SO JUST, JUST THE VARIETY OF USE.
I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HAD A MOTION TO SECOND ALL IN FAVOR CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING HAVE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL, MS. ROGER ROGER.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 22 AS REQUESTED.
MR. DORY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND THAT ALL? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.
PASSES UNANIMOUSLY UNANIMOUSLY.
[6. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-23, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES/LEASING ON 4.43-ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ARAPAHO ROAD AND GREENVILLE AVENUE AND CURRENTLY ZONED PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COLLINS ARAPAHO FORM BASED CODE (STATION AREA SUB-DISTRICT). ]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, PUBLIC HEARINGS ONLY.A REQUEST FOR A APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES LEASING LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ARAPAHOE ROAD IN GREENVILLE.
OKAY, MR. THANKS, MR. THANKS, MAYOR.
DEREK IS GONNA TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS BRIEFING AS WELL.
UH, THE APPLICANT, BOTH THE BUSINESS OWNER OPERATOR AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE, UH, TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AS WELL, DEREK.
SO THE SUBJECT SIDE IS AT 1 0 1 EAST ARAPAHO.
THIS IS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ARAPAHOE AND GREENVILLE AVENUE.
IT'S ALSO BOUNDED ALONG ITS NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE BY WOODALL DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS WITH THE COLLINS ARAPAHOE FORM BASE CODE AND TOD INNOVATION DISTRICT.
AND WITHIN THE STATION AREA SUBDISTRICT, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS THE ARAPAHO CENTER DART STATION, UH, THE ARAPAHOE CENTER, DART STATION PARKING LOT, I SHOULD SAY, UH, TO THE SOUTH, OUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS TO THE E OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
AND TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE DART RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR MOTOR VEHICLE CELLS, UH, AS AN INTERIM USE AT THIS LOCATION.
SO THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 1995 WITH AN OFFICE AND SHOWROOM BUILDING AS WELL AS A SERVICE CENTER BUILDING LOCATED BEHIND THAT.
THE SITE IS 4.5 ACRES IN TOTAL AND THERE ARE 276 PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
SO WHEN THE SITE OPENED IN 1995, IT OPENED AS AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP UNTIL, UM, 2022 WHEN THE LAST OPERATOR VACATED.
UH, SO MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, UH, THE USE OF MOTOR VEHICLE SALES ARE REQUESTED TO BE REESTABLISHED THROUGH A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS A NATIONWIDE DEALER THAT SPECIALIZED IN USED BRANDED TITLE VEHICLES.
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SHOWN HERE, SO THE TWO BUILDINGS I MENTIONED ARE SHOWN IN ORANGE.UM, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT INTEND TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, THEY FOUND THAT IT BEING A FORMER DEALERSHIP, IT MEETS THEIR NEEDS AND THEY DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER FOUND, UH, WOULD MAKES THIS SITE A GOOD FIT.
UM, THEY SAY FOR THEIR INTENDED PURPOSES.
AS PART OF THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS OUTLINED EIGHT AREAS.
THE SITE DOES NOT CONFORM WITH TODAY'S PLAN DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SO A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES ALLOW FOR THEM TO REQUEST EXCEPTIONS, UM, TO THESE AREAS.
SINCE THEY'RE TAKING THE SITE AS IS, THERE'S NO MODIFICATIONS.
THOSE, UM, ITEMS ARE LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AS WELL.
AND THOSE ITEMS ARE INCLUDED IN THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THIS SITE IS PART OF THE FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THE ARAPAHOE CENTER STATION TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
UM, THIS WILL INVOLVE THE DART PROPERTY TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTH AS WELL AS SURROUNDING PARCELS AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES ALLOW EXCEPTIONS TO THE STANDARDS OF THE PD WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD IMPACT ABILITY TO REDEVELOP.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER SAID THAT THEY, UM, FI FIND THIS USER TO BE AN APPROPRIATE USER TO HOLD THE SITE ON A SHORT TERM BASIS ON A FIVE YEAR BASIS.
THEY'VE ASKED FOR UNTIL THAT REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THIS AREA.
AND I WILL GO OVER, UH, THE EXPECTED TIMELINE FOR THAT REDEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE.
UM, SO LOOKING HERE IN 2024 AND LOOKING OUT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHEN IT WOULD EXPIRE STARTING IN 2024 HERE ON THE LEFT.
UM, TODAY AS THE START OF THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PLAN AND AS FAR AS THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH ITS DUE DILIGENCE PHASE FOR PROCUREMENT.
AND AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, WE WILL ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, DEVELOPER.
WE HOPE TO MAKE A SELECTION BY THE END OF 2025 AND WE'LL START WORKING ON THAT MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
WE'LL HAVE A TARGETED CLOSING DATE IN 2027, AND WE WOULD BE ON TRACK AT THAT POINT TO BE WORKING THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THE PLANNING, THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS SO THAT IN 2028 WE CAN START THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION.
THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE, THAT WILL BE ON THE FIRST PHASES OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE THE DARK PROPERTY ITSELF TO THE NORTH.
UH, AND THIS, THIS SUBJECT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE UNTIL MUCH LATER.
PHASES, UH, 2029, WE EXPECT THE INITIAL PHASES TO STILL BE THE UNDERGOING INITIAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UH, BASED ON THIS EXPECTED TIMEFRAME, THE FIVE YEAR TERM WOULD BE WELL WITHIN THE PROJECT'S LEAD TIME NEEDED BETWEEN NOW AND CONSTRUCTION.
SINCE THE APPLICANT IS NOT MAKING ANY SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY HINDER REDEVELOPMENT TO THE AREA AS A WHOLE, UH, THE CITY DOESN'T BELIEVE THE PRESENCE OF THE NEW OPERATOR WOULD IMPEDE THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO IN SUMMARY, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED SIX TO ONE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
AND THOSE SPECIAL CONDITIONS INCLUDE, OF COURSE, THAT, UH, PROVISION TO LIMIT THE PLAN TO END FIVE YEARS AND IN WHICH POINT IT WOULD EXPIRE.
AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, WE DID HAVE ONE PERSON SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER INCIDENT COURT.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.
BILL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ERIC HAVE, ERICA, THANK YOU.
UM, MR. CORCORAN CORPORATE QUESTIONS.
DEREK, UH, I'LL JUST START BY REALLY THANKING YOU FOR THE, THE EXTRA SLIDE OR TWO ON BACKGROUND FOR THIS AREA.
I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO PUT THIS DECISION INTO CONTEXT FOR US AS PART HOW IT FITS INTO BIGGER PLAN AND IT JUST, IT JUST LED ME TO ONE ADDITIONAL KINDA SMALL QUESTION THAT, UM, MORE FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN CONSTRUCTION HOPEFULLY STARTS IN THAT AREA, THIS THIS LOT, THIS WOULDN'T EVER BE USED, USED FOR LIKE A STAGING AREA FOR ANY SORT OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS TECHNICALLY SEPARATE FROM THAT ARAPAHOE STATION STATION LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IF IT WOULD, IT WOULD LIKELY BE IN THE LADDER STAGES OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF 14 ACRES WITH 14 ACRES.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU BEGAN SAY 40% OF THE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT 14 ACRES, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A GOOD SIX ACRES REMAINING FOR, UH, LAY DOWN YARD CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND SO, UM, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY
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ONE DAY SEE THIS AREA BEING USED FOR THAT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WHEN THE REMAINDER OF THE 14 ACRES WAS, UH, BEING CONSTRUCTED, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OTHER AVAILABLE LAND ON THAT SITE SITE.YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE, SENSE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT DIDN'T HINDER ANY SORT OF FUTURE CONSTRUCTION, SO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR ALL THE BACKGROUND AND BACKGROUND AND GOOD INFORMATION PRESENTATION.
UH, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF IT GETS APPROVED, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2029, THIS WOULD EXPIRE? CORRECT.
AND UH, THE CONSTRUCTION INTO THAT AREA? THE BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE FIRST QUARTER OF 20 20 99 CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE THINK CONSTRUCTION ON THE OVERALL PROJECT, MAYBE TO THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH WOULD BE THROUGH 2029.
AND THAT'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO THAT WE THINK.
SO NOTHING WOULD BE LIKE BEFORE THAT WE WILL BE LIKE THIS.
NOW, UH, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WOULD BE LIKE BETWEEN SIX TO TO MONTHS OF OVERLAP THIS, THIS PROPOSED, UH, USE AND THE TRUCTURE, RIGHT? MAYBE IT'S POSSIBLE.
I MEAN IF IF EVERYTHING HAPPENED EXACTLY LIKE, LIKE IT GETS PLANNED OUT, THERE COULD BE SOME OVERLAP.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD DO AT THAT TIME, UM, IS NOT THAT DISSIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO.
UM, ON OTHER REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
WE WOULD GO TO THE TENANT AT THAT TIME AND I'VE, I'VE, WE HAVE HIS COMMITMENT FROM THE OWNER AND HE CAN PROBABLY TALK MORE ABOUT IT, BUT WE WOULD GO TO THE TENANT AND, UM, PROVIDE THAT, UM, PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE TO HELP THAT TENANT RELOCATE SOONER.
I MEAN THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS PROJECT FROM A, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, IS THIS AN OBSTACLE TO REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT LOT, THERE'S NO INVESTMENT TAKING PLACE AT ALL.
SO IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO CAPITAL GOING INTO IT.
IT'S SIMPLY UTILIZATION OF AN EXISTING FACILITY OR AN EXISTING, YOU KNOW, SURFACE PARKING LOT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IF IF THERE WAS A A A A REASON TO TRY TO BUY OUT THIS PROPERTY OWNER EIGHT MONTHS, I'M SORRY, THE BUSINESS OWNER EIGHT MONTHS EARLIER ON YOUR LEASE, WE'VE GOT THE COMMITMENT FROM THE, FROM THE LANDLORD THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT.
AND IF WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE, TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT CORNER WOULD NOT EIGHT MONTHS OF OF BUYING OUT THE LEASE WOULD NOT BE AN OBSTACLE TO THAT REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
I MEAN WE, YOU'RE TALKING A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF DOLLARS IN THE BIG SCHEME.
AND SO, UM, LIKELY THAT HARD CORNER IS GONNA BE PROBABLY SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, SO I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD DO WITH ANY BUSINESS OWNER, WE WOULD WORK WITH, WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER IN THAT SPACE AT THAT TIME TO ARRIVE AT A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AGREEMENT THAT WOULD HELP THEM, THAT THAT WOULD HAVE THEM RELOCATE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
NOW, NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMPLICATED SITUATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH AUTO SELL WE DON'T GET GET ANY TAX, ANY TAX 6.5%.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT PUTTING ANY TOWEL IN THE MOTOR.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I SAYING THAT, UH, NOW, NOW WITH THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, END OF FIVE YEAR, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, SIX, SEVEN MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, IT'LL SLIDE KNOWING MY, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY THAT I HAVE ALL MY LIFE I'VE SEEN CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS MOST LIKELY JUST STARTS FEW MONTHS LATER, LATER.
SO I'M NOT TOO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THAT KIND OF OVERLAP.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, END OF FIVE YEARS, WOULD THERE BE BE LEGAL ISSUE THAT, THAT THE, THE TENANT MIGHT NOT WANT TO MOVE WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION THAT, THAT RUNNING BUSINESS DOING? SURE.
WELL, MY, AND AGAIN, PROPERTY DON'T CAN SPEAK TO THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LEASE IS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, SO THEY WOULD'VE NO LEGAL RIGHT TO STAY THERE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
BUT THEY'RE AGREEING TO A CERTIFICATE OF OCC FEES THAT SAYS IT HAS A DEFINITIVE EXPIRATION EXPIRATION DATE.
AND SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN LEGALLY WITH GOING ON WHATEVER THAT MAGIC DATE IS, LATE 29 AND SAYING YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED AND YOU, YOU NEED TO MOVE ON.
WE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY LEGAL RISK WITH THAT AT ALL.
THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE TO PUT AN EXPIRATION DATE INTO SPECIAL PERMIT.
BY THE WAY, THAT INTERSECTION SECTION RECONSTRUCTION, THERE ARE, ARE SOME CHANGES LOOKING GREAT.
I WILL SAY JUST, JUST AS A POINT OF FOLLOW UP, WE, WE MAY NOT EXPERIENCE A INCREASE IN SALES TAX ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, BUT WE WILL INCREASE, WE WILL SEE AN INCREASE PROPERTY 'CAUSE A BUSINESS THAT'S BEING UTILIZED, PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S BEING UTILIZED AND FOR A BUSINESS IS GOING BE MORE VALUABLE IN THE TAX ROLL THAN
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A PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS SET, YOU KNOW, VACANT FOR NOW A COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WERE WAITING ON THE PRIOR RFP TO COME TO FRUITION.MR. DORIAN, DID I SEE YOUR HAND RING? GO UP.
UM, DEREK, DON, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE OF YOU THIS IS QUESTION FOUR, BUT WHEN DOES THAT FIVE YEARS BEGIN? WHEN THE CO IS ISSUED, WHEN WE APPROVE THIS, WHEN IT GETS APPROVED AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHEN DOES THAT TAKE US BACK AND HOW DOES THAT, WHEN IT'S APPROVED AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHEN THAT ORDINANCE IS APPROVED THAT DAY IT'S SIGNED, THAT STARTS THE FIVE YEAR CLOCK.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION ASK.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
AT THIS TIME WE ASK APPLICANT TO PLEASE MOVE FORWARD AND PRESENT ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HEAR, TO HEAR.
UM, RICH JACKSON REPRESENTING AUTO SAVVY, UH, 4 4 3 DEER VALLEY DRIVE IN UTAH.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE ALLOWED ME TO SPEAK, I PROBABLY SPOKE TOO MUCH EXPLAINING ABOUT OUR BUSINESS AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL THAT, ALL OF YOUR TIME GOING OVER THAT.
SO I'LL GIVE JUST A, A REAL BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF AUTO SAVVY, KIND OF WHAT WE ARE AND WHY WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT OF A COMPANY.
WE HAVE CURRENTLY, WE'RE AN INDEPENDENT, UM, USED CAR DEALERSHIP.
WE HAVE AROUND 21 LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND CURRENTLY IN, IN TEXAS WE HAVE FIVE LOCATIONS.
AND SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE TEXAS MARKET, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE TEXAS MARKET.
UM, AND, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST THE NORMAL USED CAR DEALERSHIP, AS IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER ON.
WE ACTUALLY, WE FOCUS AND OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS ON RETAILING AND BRANDED TITLE VEHICLES.
SO VEHICLES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY DAMAGED AND THEN REBUILT, RESTORED, WE PURCHASED SOME AFTER THAT POINT.
SO WHAT WE DO IS, IS WE OFFER TO A COMMUNITY, TO AN AREA, UH, BASICALLY A VEHICLE AT A, AT A PRICE THAT'S MORE AFFORDABLE.
WE FOCUS ON LATE NIGHT VEHICLES.
WE DON'T FOCUS ON, UH, OLDER VEHICLES.
USUALLY OUR AVERAGE INVENTORY IS ONE TO TWO YEARS OLD AS FAR AS THE MODEL YEAR OF THE ACTUAL VEHICLES.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE THE HIGHEST VALUE AND SAVINGS FOR THE MARKETS THAT WE GO INTO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR AND A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR AND I'LL, I'LL REINFORCE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.
WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TEST THE RICHARDSON MARKET.
WE ALREADY KNOW THE HOUSTON MARKET, WE KNOW THE SAN ANTONIO MARKET, WE KNOW THAT DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA IN GENERAL.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES, EXPERIENCE BUSINESS IN THE MARKET.
NOW, TRADITIONALLY IN OUR BUSINESS MODEL, IT TAKES US THREE YEARS TO GET A MATURE STORE.
A MATURE STORE IS A, A STORE AND A LOCATION THAT HAS TRULY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT KIND OF WELCOMING THE COMMUNITY HAS GIVEN TO IT, WHAT KIND OF, UM, CALL THERE IS FOR OUR, OUR TYPE OF VEHICLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
SO AFTER WE IN THIS, IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, AFTER WE DETERMINE IS THIS A GOOD FIT FOR US AS WELL AS IT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT USUALLY IS ABOUT THREE YEARS.
AND THEN, THEN IF IT IS A GOOD FIT FOR US, THE UH, NEXT TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO FIND AND RELOCATE AND PUT OUR BUSINESS IN ANOTHER AREA THAT WE DON'T NEED THESE SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR, THAT THERE AREN'T ANY FUTURE PLANS TO DEVELOP.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST DECIDE IS THIS A GOOD MARKET? IS RICHARDSON A GOOD PLACE FOR US? WE'RE LOOKING IN, UM, A FEW OTHER LOCATIONS AROUND THE AREA.
WE ANTICIPATE BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT 10 STORES IN TEXAS.
AND THIS IS JUST, I CAN ALMOST SAY EXPERIMENTAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE REALLY BELIEVE, I BELIEVE FIRMLY RICHARDSON WOULD BE A GOOD FUTURE HOME AUTO SAVVY.
BUT THIS GIVES US THE CHANCE TO GET OUR FOOT IN THE DOOR TO TEST THE WATERS, MAKE SURE IT IS, AND IF IT IS, IT ALSO GIVES US A FEW ADDITIONAL YEARS TO TRY TO LOCATE AN ADDITIONAL FACILITY FOR US.
THAT WOULD BE A LONGER TERM FIX FOR OUR BUSINESS.
I'LL KINDA LEAVE IT THAT, AND I'M SURE, AND THEN LEAVE IT UP TO THE REST OF YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR RICH? MR. DORY? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND I, UH, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE SOLD ON THIS PROPERTY? I KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRE-OWNED, OR IN THIS CASE, NEW AND OR USED IS, DO YOU HAVE A, A DIFF A SPECIFIC BRAND OF PRODUCTS THAT YOU'RE SELLING, OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE A, A PLETHORA
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OF, UH, ALL BRANDS? GOOD QUESTION.IT'S A PLETHORA TO BE, UH, GENERIC.
WHAT WE DO STAY AWAY FROM ARE A LOT OF THE, UM, HIGHLINE VEHICLES.
SO JAGUARS, UM, JUST THE MORE EXPENSIVE VEHICLES WE STAY AWAY FROM MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE GO INTO.
THEY DON'T, THAT'S NOT A HIGH DEMAND.
WHAT THEY'RE DEMANDING IS GOOD TRANSPORTATION FOR A VERY, VERY, VERY REASONABLE PRICE.
SO THAT USUALLY RELATES TO VEHICLES THAT ARE COMMONLY SOLD IN ANY MARKET.
SO THE HONDAS, THE TOYOTAS, THE GENERAL MOTORS, THE FORD PRODUCTS, THE BASIC TYPE, UM, AUTOMOBILE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC PURCHASES MORE OFTEN.
UM, WELL, I'M SURE YOU'VE SURVEYED THE AREA AND, AND YES, THERE ARE SEVERAL THERE, UH, CURRENTLY, AND IT RANGES FROM, UH, THE LOWER UPPER END PRODUCTS, UH, TO GENERAL, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FORD AND CHEVROLET.
SO ARE YOU PLANNING ON, UM, WELL, LEMME BACK UP HERE.
SO AS YOU PROVIDE THIS SERVICE, ARE, IS THERE, ARE THERE GONNA BE A SPECIFIC WAY OF MARKETING AND DISPLAYING THE PRODUCT ON THE SHOWROOM FLOOR AND ALSO OUT IN THE PARKING LOT? UH, IS THERE A STYLE THAT YOU'RE USING? I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG BUSINESS, SO EVERYONE GENERALLY HAS SOME, UH, DIRECTION AND STYLE THAT THEY USE TO ENTICE, UH, OR BRING IN INDIVIDUALS TO, UH, HOPEFULLY PRODUCE, UH, CELLS.
SO WHAT, WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU LOOKING AT DEFINING THIS SPACE AND BUILDING AND THE LOT? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO MAKE THAT ENHANCEMENT? REALLY, NOT A LOT.
UM, WHEN YOU'LL DRIVE BY ANY OF OUR AUTO SAVVY DEALERSHIPS, THEY WILL LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER DEALERSHIPS THAT YOU PRIMARILY WILL GO ACROSS THE SALES LATE MODEL VEHICLES.
SO AS FAR AS DISPLAY SPACE, WE'LL DISPLAY THE VEHICLES JUST LIKE YOU WOULD SEE AT A CARMAX DEALERSHIP.
UM, WE RELATE CLOSELY TO CARMAX IN THE WAY THAT THEY, THEY FOCUS ON LATE MODEL VEHICLES.
WE FOCUS ON LATE MODEL VEHICLES AS WELL.
AND OUR DEALERSHIPS LOOK SIMILAR, THOUGH.
WE'RE A LOT SMALLER THAN A CARMAX LOCATION WOULD BE, BUT REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD REALLY TELL A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AUTO SAVVY DEALERSHIP AND MOST LATE MODEL USED CAR OR FRANCHISE OPERATED FACILITIES.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON PROVIDING ANY UPDATES, GENERAL LANDSCAPING, UM, OR WHAT ARE THE PLANS THERE FOR MAKING THE PROPERTY LOOK ATTRACTIVE? REALLY ALL WE'LL BE DOING IS IMPROVING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UH, REFRESHING SOME OF THE, UH, BARK THAT'S OUT THERE.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING A LOT BESIDES A LOT OF REFRESH.
THE BASIC BUILDING WILL, THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT AREAS ON IT SINCE IT'S IN FAIRLY GOOD CONDITION THAT WE WILL PAINT, WE'LL PUT A LITTLE BIT OF PAINT ON THE BUILDING, UM, AND THEN JUST REFRESH THE LANDSCAPING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO, UH, CREATE ANY NEW SPECIFIC AREAS INSIDE THE DEALERSHIP OR OUTSIDE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
JUST CLEAN IT UP, REFRESH IT, AND, UH, MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE APPEALING THAN A DEALERSHIP THAT'S BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
MAYOR, UM, UM, YOU, YOU, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT YOU OR STAFF MENTIONED, UH, THE IDEA IS JUST TO COME IN AND USE WHAT'S THERE.
SO THERE'S NO PLAN ON COMING BACK ASKING US FOR A GIANT DIGITAL SIGN OR BIG PULSE SIGN.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE WHAT'S THERE.
AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE NEEDING ANY MORE APPROVALS PAST THIS ONE FOR IT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE, UH, COUNTERPRODUCTIVE FOR US TO SINK A LOT OF ADDITIONAL MONEY INTO IT KNOWING THAT A BULLDOZER IS GOING TO VISIT THE BUILDING IN FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE, WHAT IT WANTED.
YOU JUST SAY THAT FOR CLARIFICATION.
JUST, JUST TO, TO REPEAT, REITERATE WHAT, WHAT YOU HAD MENTIONED DURING YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU ARE PURELY INTERESTED ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT THIS HAS LIMITED USE TIME, FIVE YEARS.
UH, AND, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE MARKET AND, UH, THEN FIND A NEW PLACE FOR MORE APPROPRIATE LONG TERM IF THE BUSINESS MODEL WORKS
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IN THE AREA.SO THAT'S WHAT YOU MENTIONED, IS THAT, DID I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY OR YES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'D LIKE TO BE IN A FACILITY THAT WE COULD HAVE A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH, BUT WE UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING IN THAT THIS IS NOT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO, FOR US TO ACQUIRE A FACILITY THAT GIVES US THE SIZE, THE PARKING STALLS THAT WE NEED, AND THE BUILDING THAT WE NEED IN THE CONDITION THAT WE WOULD LIKE IT, THEY'RE NOT ALL OVER THEM.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST TAKING AND MAKING THE BEST OUTTA THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN TO DEVELOP A MARKET, TO UNDERSTAND THE MARKET AND UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A FUTURE FOREST IN THAT MARKET.
THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE GO INTO, WE DEFINITELY HAVE LONGER TERM LEASES ON THOSE.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO BUILD UP A BUSINESS AND WALK AWAY FROM IT.
UM, I'VE RESEARCHED THE AREA ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IF IT'S A GOOD AREA, WHICH WE IMAGINE IT WOULD BE, THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO BE DOWN HERE DEVELOPING OUR BUSINESS.
AND THEN WHEN WE MOVE AND LOCATE A NEW FACILITY WITHIN, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, WE WILL, WE WILL BE PAST ALL THOSE GROWING PAINS THAT YOU NORMALLY EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU'RE A NEW DEALERSHIP GOING INTO A MARKET.
NOW, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS.
I NEVER REALLY TRY TO SUGGEST ANYONE HOW TO RUN BUSINESS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORST THING.
CAN SOMEBODY SUGGEST FROM OUR SIDE? UH, AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST EXPERIMENTING THE BUSINESS IS VERY EXPENSIVE PART EVEN SO I'M SURE YOU HAVE MORE THAN JUST A THOUGHT.
YOU PROBABLY DEFINITELY HAVE SOME DATA WITHOUT LOOKING SOME DATA.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE PUTTING INVESTMENT.
THIS IS MORE LIKE GAMBLING, BUT BUSINESSMEN, THEY'RE NOT GAMBLER GAMBLER.
PEOPLE START GAMBLER, BUT BUSINESS WHO DOES THE BUSINESS, THEY DO CALCULATED DECISION.
SO ANY ANY THOUGHT, I MEAN, LOOKS LIKE, LIKE IN CENTRAL THAT AREA, THE AUTO DEALERSHIPS ARE MORE INTERESTED THAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, TO SEE.
SO WHAT, WHAT BROUGHT YOU TO THAT LOCATION? CAN YOU SHARE THAT WITH US? THE, THE LOCATION JUST BECAUSE OF AVAILABILITY.
I DIDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THIS IS THE CORNER I WANT TO BE ON.
WE'RE A DESTINATION DEALERSHIP.
WE ACTUALLY, OUR CUSTOMERS THAT FIND US, THEY'RE NOT THE DRIVE BY, HEY, I SAW YOU ON THE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY AND YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD A REALLY NEAT, UH, CAR ON YOUR FRONT LINE.
WE STAY OUT OF, UM, TELEVISION AND RADIO ADVERTISING.
OUR PRICES ARE WHAT BRING PEOPLE IN.
OUR AVERAGE SAVINGS IS FOUR TO $6,000 FOR THE SAME YEAR MAKE MODEL TYPE VEHICLE AFTER IT'S BEEN RESTORED.
SO THE, UH, THE TRAVEL THAT AN AVERAGE AUTO SAVVY CUSTOMER WILL DO FOR OUR DEALERSHIP IS RIGHT WITHIN 20 MILES.
A REGULAR OEM STORE, WHICH I'VE HAD A LOT OF, UM, EXPERIENCE WITH THE PAST, I SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER RUNNING, UH, FRANCHISE DEALERSHIPS.
IT'S FIVE TO 10 MILES, BECAUSE WITHIN FIVE TO 10 MILES, THERE CAN BE TWO OR THREE OTHER SAME, UM, FACILITIES THAT SOMEBODY COULD GO BUY A NEW VEHICLE, A NEW FORD, A NEW CHEVY OR WHATEVER.
BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, YES, BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND THAT TEXAS HAS PUT ON OUR VEHICLES, I DON'T THINK IT'S A HIGH RISK AS WELL.
I THINK IT'S MORE CALCULATED THAN ANYTHING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD PAY OFF.
BUT THIS JUST GIVES US A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO TEST A MARKET.
NORMALLY IT'S NOT TEST OF MARKET, IT'S, WE JUMP IN WITH BOTH FEET.
THIS GIVES ME A FACILITY THAT I DON'T NEED TO MAKE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS IN.
SO MY CAP X IS VERY LOW CONSIDERING WHAT IT IS GOING INTO OTHER LOCATIONS.
SO I'M DIPPING MY TOE IN THE WATER.
WE'LL SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE, AND THEN I'LL HAVE A FEW YEARS TO START LOOKING FOR OTHER FACILITIES IN, IN THE AREA AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO STAY IN THIS AREA.
I MEAN, THE BUILDING LOOKS GREAT.
PARKING LOTS, EXCELLENT CONDITIONS THAT MY OBSERVATION, I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE.
SO AN INTERSECTION, THAT, THAT WAS GOOD AND NOW THAT'S GONNA BE EVEN MUCH BETTER.
THE IMPROVEMENT THAT CITY IS PUTTING, PUTTING, UH, I LOVE THE INTERSECTION, THE WAY IT'S CHANGING.
UH, TRAFFIC WOULD BE VERY SMALL.
UH, UH, LANDSCAPING WISE, I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS.
LOTS OF PRE OUT THERE AND LOOKS GREAT.
UH, AND, UH, NOW THE, THE AUTO THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SELLING THERE, ARE THOSE JUST A QUESTION YOU DON'T HAVE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, TO, UH, UH, BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA BE DISCLOSING THAT WHEN YOU SELL IT, UH, ARE THOSE THAT, UH, CAR THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH SOME AV RACK AND TOTAL, UH, AND WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE THINGS? LEMON CAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT BODY.
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SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE HOW THAT CAR WOULD BE LIKE, LIKE I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING, GIVING US OPPORTUNITY FOR, SO THIS IS OUR BUSINESS MODEL.THIS ISN'T JUST, HEY, WE SELL CLEAN TITLE VEHICLES AND WE HAVE TWO OR THREE OF THESE VEHICLES SITTING ON THE BACK ROW THAT WE CAN TURN PEOPLE TO IF THEIR BUDGET DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO PURCHASE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE NEWER OR SOMETHING WITH A CLEAN TITLE.
SO IF YOU, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO GET ON OUR WEBSITE AND TAKE A LOOK AT OUR DIFFERENT FACILITIES, THAT'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE ARE.
HOPEFULLY YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU PULL UP ANY AD THAT WE HAVE RIGHT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE FIRST SENTENCE, FIRST ONE OR TWO SENTENCES, IT MENTIONS THAT IT'S BRANDED TITLE.
WE FEEL THAT FULL DISCLOSURE AND TRANSPARENCY IS MUCH EASIER ON OUR BUSINESS.
IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN A CUSTOMER JUST SEES A PRICE AND A PICTURE OF A VEHICLE AND DRIVES DOWN, AND THEY'RE UNAWARE OF THAT.
SO OUR SALESPEOPLE ARE TRAINED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CUSTOMERS ARE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING IN FROM A, A DISTANCE.
THAT WOULD BE VERY, UH, UNUSUAL.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD IN UTAH, WE HAD THEM FLYING IN FROM TEXAS ALL DAY LONG.
WE HAD AIRPORT SHUTTLES JUST PICKING THEM UP AT OUR FIRST DEALERSHIP.
SO TRANSPARENCY IS, IS OUR BEST POLICY.
WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY WHEN THEY GET THERE AND THEY'RE UPSET EITHER.
IT IS EASIER FOR US TO JUST, UM, WORK WITH THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE DO, HOW WE DO IT, AND THROUGH FULL DISCLOSURE, IT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
THOUGH ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU'LL GET THE CUSTOMER THAT JUST GETS SO EXCITED THEY RUN DOWN BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT BUY ON VEHICLE.
BUT OUR SALESPEOPLE ARE TRAINED ON HOW TO EXPLAIN REALLY WHAT WE DO PRIOR TO THEM EVEN LOOKING AT THE CARS IF THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'VE COME FROM A LONG DISTANCE.
ANY MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY.
AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU RICH, THANK YOU MILLER.
WE MAY CALL YOU BACK IF NEEDED.
MS. NEER, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SPEAKERS? YES, MA'AM.
SCOTT, RICK SCOTT TMORE, 9 2 3 BLUE LAKE CIRCLE.
MR. MERRI, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
I SPOKE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AT THE CBC HEARING, RIGHT? UM, I DIDN'T LIKE IT THEN.
I DO APPRECIATE MR. MAGNER AND HIS STAFF PUTTING TOGETHER A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, I GET THE FEELING THAT, UH, THIS MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THE CITY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES BRAND SENSE FOR THE CITY.
IT'S A USED CAR LOT ON A REALLY NICE PIECE OF DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY.
I'M SURE THE FO BAR PEOPLE, UM, WANT TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT WHEN THAT COMES AROUND.
UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY THIS DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE IS SO DISTANT.
UH, IC APARTMENT BUILDINGS, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS GOING UP IN A LOT LESS TIME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AN RFP PROCESS TO DEAL WITH.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES THAT I AS A CITIZEN OF THE CITY ARE NOT AWARE OF.
HOWEVER, ALL OF THAT ASIDE, I THINK AS THE COUNCIL, YOU GUYS HAVE TO LOOK AT DOES ABUSE CAR LOT ON THIS SITE.
IT'S A, IT'S A GATEWAY TO EAST RICHARDSON.
I DRIVE PAST IT EVERY DAY ON MY WAY TO TAKE MY KIDS TO THIS SCHOOL.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOK.
UM, THAT SAID, SAID, I, I SEE THAT'S, IT'S PROBABLY LIKELY THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY YES.
AND I, I THINK, I THINK MY COMPROMISE, UH, PROPOSAL TO Y'ALL WOULD BE, HEY, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD REVIEW THIS EVERY YEAR AND SEE IF THIS FIVE YEAR TIMELINE STILL MAKES SENSE 24 MONTHS FROM NOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PLAUSIBLE OUTCOME FOR YOU GUYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS EVEN CAPABLE, CAPABLE OF DOING.
BUT I I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING ON YOUR END BECAUSE, UM, TO ME, THIS, THIS JUST DOESN'T, DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR OUR, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
ANY OTHER CARD CARDS? ALRIGHT, I'D BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
MR. HUTCH RIDER MAYOR, MAKE MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
GOT A MOTION AND SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNSEL, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? MR. CHU? CAN I ASK QUESTION TO MR. MAGNER? MAGNER, UH, JUST TO UNDERSTAND, REFRESH MY MEMORY IF THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, SO OTHERS CAN UNDERSTAND MORE.
ALSO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHY THIS FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE SCHEDULE, UH, WHY THIS IS GONNA BE FIVE YEARS, WHY
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WE CANNOT TAKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TO BE, UH, EARLIER.SO THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY TRYING TO ADJUST OUR CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
IS THAT BETTER? MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL GET BENEFIT OUT OF IT.
UH, I KNOW THAT WE, WE HAD THIS THING IN THE PROCESS.
RFP PROCESS DID NOT WORK OUT BECAUSE OF THE TIMING.
SO JUST, I WOULD NOT JUST EXPLAIN IF YOU JUST FOR, FOR A FEW MINUTES, COUPLE, COUPLE, IF YOU CAN.
I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE, OF THE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTION.
AND, UM, SO JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, WE, UH, DID PREVIOUSLY GO OUT, UM, WITH AN RFP FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 14 ACRES THAT WE CONTROLLED.
UM, THERE WERE SOME, UH, POISON PILLS IN THE TERMS, UM, THAT, UH, DART HAD PROVIDED TO US.
SO RECALL, THE WAY THAT THIS STRUCTURE WILL WORK IS THAT WE WILL BE, WE WILL MASTER GROUND LEASE THE 14 ACRES FROM DART.
SO THAT'S AN AGREEMENT THAT HAS TO BE, UM, OPERATIONALIZED IN THE FUTURE ONCE THE RFP PROCESS IS CONCLUDED.
UM, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WE WILL ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH A MASTER DEVELOPER OR, OR NUMEROUS DEVELOPERS DEPENDING ON HOW THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OCCURS.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE, UM, AT A MINIMUM TWO, UM, SIGNIFICANT LONG TERM, UH, ON THE SCALE OF 45, 49 YEAR LEASES WITH PROBABLY 2 25 YEAR RENEWALS.
THERE'LL BE TWO, AT A MINIMUM, TWO, UH, SIGNIFICANT CONTRACTS TO WORK THROUGH.
UH, ONLY THEN WILL A MASTER DEVELOPER BEGIN TO DEVELOP THE, UH, THE, UH, ENGINEERING, THE CIVIL AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT THEY WILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT.
UM, THEN THERE'S THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
AND SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A SERIES OF A SEQUENCE OF STEPS, UM, THAT WE BELIEVE, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE NOT TAKEN THE LONGEST VIEW AND WE'VE NOT TAKEN A UNREALISTIC VIEW ON THE SHORT END.
WE'VE TAKEN A CONSERVATIVE VIEW.
AND WHEN YOU SEQUENCE ALL OF THOSE PIECES TOGETHER, THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT FIVE YEAR TIME PIECE.
I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY COMPLICATED TRANSACTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE, UM, THAT ARE, THAT IS GONNA INVOLVE, UM, AT A MINIMUM, UH, THREE PARTIES.
UM, BUT, BUT, BUT WILL LIKELY INCLUDE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE MASTER DEVELOPER WILL LIKELY BE, WILL LIKELY SPECIALIZE IN EITHER COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO GO OUT AND NEGOTIATE PARTNERSHIPS TO, UH, BRING TO THE PROJECT, WHATEVER THEY ARE THE SPECIALIST IN.
AND SO I REALIZED THAT FROM THE VIEWPOINT, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT MAY BE, ARE HAPPENING ENTIRELY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT ARE OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER.
THIS COULD SEEM LIKE A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THIS IS JUST INDICATIVE OF THE, THE COMPLICATED STRUCTURE, UM, THAT THIS TRANSACTION WERE REQUIRED HAVE HAPPENED.
UM, I STILL SAY WE'LL DO IT FASTER THAN IF WE JUST LEFT IT TO DARK
YEAH, NO, JUST ONE QUESTION TO THAT, THAT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LOTS OF THINGS, THINGS AS AS LIKE, LIKE WE DON'T PAY ATTENTION OR WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT TIME OR, OR, YOU KNOW, SEE EXACTLY HOW THE PROCESS WAS GONE.
GONE BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE CITY.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOAL WAS FOR INTENTION WAS TO EXPEDITE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND YOU HAVE TAKEN SOME STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS EXPEDITED AND THAT EXPEDITION IS LIKE FIVE YEARS.
AND, AND COULD YOU, YOU MENTION A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN SOME STEPS TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS, LIKE GETTING THE GEO TECH DONE, SOME DONE ENVIRONMENTAL DOWN.
WELL, SUBSEQUENT TO THE FIRST RFP COMING TO A, A CONCLUSION, UM, WE WENT BACK, UH, TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS FOR THE SECOND RRP.
WE WENT BACK AND WE RENEGOTIATE, RENEGOTIATED SOME OF THE BASE TERMS WITH DART TO MAKE THE PROJECT MUCH MORE FINANCIALLY VIABLE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, STARTED TO YOUR POINT OF SERIOUS AND DUE DILIGENCE, UH, STEPS THAT, UH, INCLUDING, UM, UM, INITIAL ENGINEERING, ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO DO, UH, ONCE THEY WON THE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REMOVING OBSTACLES AND HURDLES, UH, FOR DEVELOPERS, UH, THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT.
NOT ONLY WILL THAT EXPEDITE THE PROJECT WHEN IT COMES THEIRS TO PROGRESS, UM, WILL ACTUALLY IMPROVE I THINK THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THE WORK FOR THEM.
UM, AND, UH, SO, SO THEY CAN TAKE THE BENEFIT OF THAT WORK AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THEIR PROFORMAS.
AND THERE ARE OTHER FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS SO THAT, THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE MORE, UM, FINANCIALLY, UM, VIABLE AND SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL BE INTERESTED IN.
AND SO I DO THINK THAT, UH, TO YOUR POINT, I DO THINK THAT, THAT IN THIS, THIS INTERIM TIME, UH, FROM THE CONCLUSION OF THE FIRST RFP TO THE START OF THE SECOND, WE ARE DOING THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK YOUR POINT PERHAPS IS THAT THAT FIVE YEARS COULD ACTUALLY BE A LOT LONGER.
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UM, IF WE WEREN'T TAKING THESE DUE, IF WE WEREN'T DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE LEFT TO A DEVELOPER UPON WINNING AT LEAST THE INITIAL AWARD BEFORE MAYBE WE WENT HARD WITH A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.THANKS FOR REPEATING ALL THOSE THINGS.
MR. COR, YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON FILE 24 23? I, I'D LOVE TO, TO MR. MAYOR, MR. JUST GIVE ME, UM, UM, JUST INDULGE ME 15 SECONDS JUST QUICK, QUICK PLEASE.
NO, NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO, I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CHATTER ON THIS THAN NORMAL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT.
I DO WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THIS REALLY WON'T CAUSE ANY HINDRANCE TO THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THE AREA DUE TO DUE THAT FIVE YEAR STIPULATION.
AND THAT ALSO SOMETHING I DON'T, DON'T MISS, IS THAT I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE GOODWILL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT MAKES THAT AROUND STATION PROJECT, IT WILL MAKE IT AS GOOD AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE IF WE HAVE TO BUY IN EITHER GOODWILL.
AND SO THIS IS, UM, I THINK A POSITIVE STEP TOWARDS THAT, MAINTAINING THAT.
SO WHAT THAT SAID, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, UNLESS COUNCILMAN MARIOS, YOU HAVE MORE COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE YOU TO MAKE.
UM, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN TORN ON THIS THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND.
I THINK ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, UH, I THINK CAR LOT'S, ONE OF THE LAST THINGS WE NEED IN RICHARDSON, UH, ANOTHER ONE.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, IT IS, UM, I THINK FIVE YEARS IS APPROPRIATE TIME.
I THINK THAT, UM, THAT THAT WILL ALLOW, UH, THE BUSINESS TO, TO TEST THE MARKET, ALLOW THE LANDOWNER, UH, SOME TIME AND BUY 'EM SOME TIME AS WE WORK ON SOME STUFF.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A REALISTIC FIVE YEARS.
IT IS A REALISTIC NUMBER FOR THE SCALE OF WHAT, UH, STAFF AND THE COUNCIL KIND OF IS HOPING FOR.
AND I THINK THE RESIDENT RESIDENTS, MORE IMPORTANTLY, ARE HOPING FOR, UH, IS ONE OF THE LAST GREAT PIECES OF LAND IN THIS CITY FOR SOMETHING BIG TO HAPPEN.
AND I THINK MANY OF US ARE EXPECTING SOMETHING BIG OUTTA THERE.
AND THIS, THIS GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY IN A SHORT TIMEFRAME.
I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IN CASE THERE ARE ANY FUTURE COUNCIL WATCHING THIS.
UH, SOMETIMES WE OFTEN GO BACK AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT COUNCIL MEETINGS WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE IN PART OF OUR HOMEWORK, RIGHT? WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS.
I REALLY HOPE THAT FUTURE COUNCILS DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A, WE'RE PUTTING A, A, UH, AT LEAST I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, THAT I AM BY ALL AT ALL, MEANING THAT YES, THIS IS PART OF OUR VISION FOR THE AREA, OR THAT THIS IS SOMETHING TO REMAIN INDEFINITELY OR EVEN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS I'M GOING INTO THIS, UH, AND MY VOTE, UM, THINKING THIS WILL BE A FIVE YEAR CUTOFF BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS, UM, MAKING USE OF SOME LAND AND ALLOWING A BUSINESS, UH, TWO BUSINESSES AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING WHILE WE COME UP WITH A BIGGER PLAN.
SO FOR THAT, I'M, I NEED TO APPROVE THIS, BUT ONLY UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND WHILE, UH, IF I AM PART OF FUTURE COUNCILS, UH, WHETHER I'M HERE OR NOT, OR OTHER COUNCILS SEE IT, UM, I HOPE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED IN MAKING THAT DECISION AND THAT THIS WOULD, WE WOULD BE HELD TO THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I, I'LL SAY ONE, ONE COMMENT AND I, UM, WE HAD OUR, UH, A SPEAKER ON BEHALF OF THIS THAT WAS OPPOSED TO IT.
AND I'LL JUST SAY, I DON'T THINK THIS COUNSEL WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING THIS BACK AFTER A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A BUSINESS CONTRACT BETWEEN PRIVATE PARTIES.
SO IF, I DON'T THINK WE COULD RULE ON IT AFTER THAT, IF WE WERE TO SAY FIVE YEARS.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? YES, SIR.
UM, THE, THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL UP A SPECIAL PERMIT, BUT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME, UM, THE BUSINESS WOULD NEED TO BE OPERATING IN A CONTRARY WAY TO THE TERMS THAT YOU PROVIDED THE SPECIAL PERMIT TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE REASON TO ATTEMPT TO REVOKE THAT, THAT SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO I THINK, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SAYING THE SAME, SAME THING.
THE COUNCIL HAS THAT LATITUDE, BUT IT'S NOT UNILATERAL JUST TO, JUST TO REVOKE A PERMIT FOR, FOR ANY REASON.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT THE BUSINESS WAS OPERATING IN A MANNER THAT WAS INCONSISTENT.
IT WOULD'VE TO BE SOME DEFENSE.
IT SAYS SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DIFFERS FOR SOME POINT, BUT, BUT I TAKE YOUR POINT.
JUST, JUST THINKING OUT THAT, BUT IN APPRECIATE OUR, UH, SPEAKER.
SO, ALRIGHT, MR. COURT, MR. COURT, I ASK I'M MR. THERE'S
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SOMETHING'S BOTHERING ME AND I JUST WANNA ASK THE QUESTION TO MR. MAGMA.SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ALL SAYING THAT WE'RE VOTING IF, IF WE VOTE FOR IT TONIGHT, WE'RE VOTING FOR FIVE YEARS.
BUT TO MR. MARIO'S POINT, THIS DOESN'T COLLUDE A FEE FOR COUNSEL FROM DOING WHATEVER THEY WOULD, WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CLARIFIED THAT POINT.
'CAUSE I, I HEARD SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND I THOUGHT, THOUGHT I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT.
SO, SO MR. BAR, AND THEY WOULD HAVE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, POINT ON TOP OF THE TOP, THEY WOULD'VE TO, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE APPLICATION PROCESS AGAIN.
UH, AND I'M ASSUMING THEY WOULD NEED TO DO THAT IN THEIR FIFTH YEAR BEFORE COMPLETING THE FIFTH BIRTHDAY BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN OPEN.
SO THEY WOULD'VE TO DO IT IN THEIR FINAL ANNUAL YEAR.
IF THEY WOULDN'T EVEN FIVE YEAR IF THEY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANTED TO RECEIVE APPROVAL SO THEY COULD CONTINUOUSLY OPERATE, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO COME IN PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO GAP PERIOD.
IF YOU'LL, YOU'LL, AND FUTURE COUNCILS WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, OKAY, BUT DUE TO THE ECONOMY, DUE TO EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXTEND IT A YEAR OR TWO.
SO FUTURE COUNCILS DO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO EXTEND IT IN A YEAR OR TWO.
UM, NOT THE, NOT THE EXISTING, NOT THE EXISTENCE.
NEW CONSIDERATION, WHICH THEY'D HAVE TO DO REGARDLESS WHETHER THEY, THEY CHOOSE TO STAY OPEN IN FIVE MORE YEARS OR ONE MORE YEAR, THEY WOULD'VE TO DO A NEW CONSIDERATION.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I HOPE, I HOPE THAT NEVER, EVER COME TO PASS.
BUT I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON TONIGHT.
THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT OF POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
COURT YOU'D LIKE, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
MOTION? YES, MR. MAYOR, I MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 24 DASH 23 AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OUR HANDS PLEASE.
[7. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-26, A REQUEST FOR AMENDMENT TO A PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE A MASTER SIGN PLAN ON 14.87-ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND E. CAMPBELL ROAD. ]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 26.A REQUEST FOR AMENDMENT TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE A MASTER SIGN PLAN ON LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL OAK EXPRESSWAY AND EAST CAMPBELL ROAD.
UH, DEREK IS GOING TO KIND OF CONCLUDE THE EVENING WITH THE FINAL BRIEFING.
AND THEN, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I SEE HIM OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
SO THIS SUBJECT SITE IS AT 700 EAST CAMPBELL ROAD.
THIS IS THE EAST SIDE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS ZONE PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EAST SIDE DEVELOPMENT.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS 14.8 ACRES, AND THIS HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH OVER 620,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, BUILDING AREA OCCUPIED WITH MIXED USES, INCLUDING RETAIL, RESTAURANT, OFFICE, AND APARTMENTS.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THAT PD THAT THEY'RE UNDER TO ALLOW FOR THE ABILITY TO REQUEST A MASTER SIGN PLAN.
SO, TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON MASTER SIGN PLANS, UM, THIS IS AN OPTION THAT IS TYPICALLY FOUND IN PD PLAN DEVELOPMENTS OR IN ORDINANCES THAT APPLY TO SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS THAT ALLOW FOR A HOLISTIC APPROACH IN REVIEWING SIGNAGE THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S CODE.
INSTEAD OF GOING TO A SIGN CONTROL BOARD WHERE THEY SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS VARIANCES, UM, BASED ON SPECIFIC PROPERTY HARDSHIPS.
SO WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SIX MASTER SIGN PLANS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT THAT INCLUDES THAT EAST SIDE TWO SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IN THESE PD ORDINANCES, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S TYPICALLY INCLUDED OR THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ALWAYS INCLUDED IN THESE IS THAT THE MASTER SIGN PLAN WILL BE SUBMITTED TO AND REVIEWED, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY PLAN PLAN.
SO HERE'S SOME SITE PHOTOS OF EAST SIDE SHOWN FROM THE NORTH AND FROM THE WEST.
AND THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES TYPE SIGNS THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT FOR WHEN THEY DO OR IF THEY, UM, IF THIS PD AMENDMENT IS APPROVED AND THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN, UH, THEY MAY HAVE SUBMIT THESE TYPES OF, UH, SIGNS.
ALSO WITH THAT SIGN PLAN, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION LIKE THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE SIGN, THE SIZE DIMENSIONS, FEATURES LIKE THE ILLUMINATION TYPE.
AND THEY WILL IDENTIFY THE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY SIGN CODE THAT THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH, WITH.
SO THIS REQUEST TONIGHT IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO THE PD AMENDMENT ITSELF THAT WOULD ENABLE THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REQUEST FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN AT A LATER DATE.
THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED SEVEN OH TO APPROVE REC TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE CONDITIONS.
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AND THOSE CONDITIONS INCLUDE THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PD.UH, THIS LANGUAGE GUIDES THE, THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AS FAR AS WHAT THE GOALS ARE FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN WOULD BE AND WHAT THOSE EXPECTATIONS WOULD BE.
AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE IN RESPONSE TO THIS REQUEST.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, ERICA.
SO, SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THIS AND I TRIED TO DO AS MUCH RESEARCH AS I POSSIBLY COULD ON IT BEFORE TONIGHT, BUT CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES RIGHT THERE? RIGHT THERE? SO THAT APPEARS TO ME TO BE A VERY LARGE ELECTRONIC SIGN THAT WOULD BE AT A VERY HIGH POINT.
THAT WOULD BE THE ALMOST BILL BILLBOARD TYPE OF A A OF A PROPOSED SIGN.
SO IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WHO THEN WHO THEN HAS THE REVIEW TO SAY, BOY, THAT'S AN AWFULLY LARGE SIGN, AND KIND OF MY WORDS DODY.
UM, OR DOES THIS JUST ALLOW THE, THE APPLICANT TO DO, TO SAY, WELL, I'M GONNA PUT THIS SIGN UP HERE, HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, THE STANDARDS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I'M NOT, NOT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT WE'RE EXACTLY APPRO.
AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF REVIEW OCCURS OUTSIDE OF WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS WITH THE SIGN CONTROL? CAN YOU, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH.
SO YOU ARE APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD TO ALLOW THEM TO MAKE A PROPOSAL FOR THIS, UH, FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN AND THAT MASTER SIGN PLAN.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT WHEN THEY DO BRING IT, IT TO US WITH REVIEW, THAT WILL JUST GO TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S HOW THESE LAST SIX HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
UM, SO THAT WILL JUST GO TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION FOR THEIR FEEDBACK, UM, ON THEIR PROPOSAL PROPOSAL.
AND, AND WOULD THEY, WOULD THEY APPROVE THE SIGNS? I'M I'M STILL NOT QUITE EXACTLY SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
YEAH, THEY, THEY WOULD APPROVE THE SIGNS.
THEY'RE PROVING THE PLAN AS A WHOLE.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE HOLISTICALLY AT THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, UM, TO SEE IF THE SIGNS FIT IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SITE.
THEY HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES, MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, UM, MULTIPLE USES ON SITE.
SO THEY'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE SIGNS.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING AT ONCE AND EVALUATED BASED ON THAT WITH THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD.
IT'S MORE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHERE THERE'S SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE PROPERTY HARDSHIPS WHERE THE TYPICAL SIGN STANDARDS DON'T MEET THEIR NEEDS.
SO A FOLLOW QUESTION IS, I MEAN, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LIKE, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NICE GROUND BASED SIGNS THAT ARE, THAT ARE AROUND THE PROPERTY SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE DIRECTORY, HERE'S WHERE THINGS, BUT I MEAN, CAN WE PUT, PUT, CAN WE PUT A A LIMIT TO SAY THAT WE'LL, ONLY THAT, THAT THIS WILL ONLY BE FOR GROUND BASED.
I MEAN, I I PERSONALLY DON'T WANNA RUN UP AROUND 75 EVERY TIME I DRIVE PAST THIS AND SEE SOME GIANT FLASHING WHAT APPEARS TO ME TO BE ALMOST LIKE A BILLBOARD UP ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TALKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS.
I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ANYWHERE.
AND I, I'D BE CONCERNED WITH GIVING, IF YOU WILL, COMPLETE FREEDOM TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT BOTHERS ME A LOT WHEN I SEE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO, AND I'M GONNA BE THE ONLY ONE, BUT THAT, THAT I, I, OKAY,
SO WHAT RIGHTS DO WE HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DIRECTORY SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, OR, OR SIGNS AROUND THE PROPERTY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, TO PROVIDE DIRECTORY AND SO PEOPLE CAN FIND RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS AND EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE I, I, I GO OVER THERE QUITE A BIT, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT THAT BOTHERS ME A LOT.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT RIGHT DO WE HAVE TO KIND OF NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN SO THAT IT DOESN'T GO TO CCP C AND CCP C OH YEAH, FINE, WHATEVER.
PROBABLY BEST STRATEGY, IF YOU LIKE, THE IDEA OF ALLOWING, ALLOWING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BRING YOU TO BRING THE CPC MASTER FOR ASSIGNED PLAN.
UM, BUT THERE IS A SIGN TYPE OR A SIGN LOCATION, FOR INSTANCE, UM, THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO ALLOW IT TO BE PART OF THAT MASTER PLAN.
YOU COULD APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT LESS THAT OR, OR LESS THAT SIGNED TYPE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN, YOU COULD APPROVE THE ABILITY FOR AN APPLICANT TO BRING THE MASTER SIGN PLAN TO THE CPC FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT EXEMPT, UM, YOU KNOW, ATTACHED ELECTRONIC
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MESSAGE MESSAGES FOR INSTANCE.I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S ONE APPROACH THAT THAT, THAT YOU COULD TAKE, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH ALLOWING THE CPC TO HANDLE THE MASTER SIGN PLAN REVIEW.
UM, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T HAD, I MEAN THAT, THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY.
BUT THAT IS A, THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE STRATEGY IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE CBC TO BE THAT, UM, THAT DECISION MAKING BODY FOR MASTER DESIGN PLAN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OTHER, THOSE OTHER FIVE, I THINK, I THINK ANOTHER STRATEGY, BUT MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LESS DESIRABLE STRATEGY WOULD BE TO ALLOW A MASTER SIGN PLAN, UM, AND THEN HAVE THE COUNCIL BE THE FINAL SAY AS OPPOSED TO THE CPC.
THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR LATITUDE TO DO THAT.
IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WE TREATED THE OTHER FIVE, YOU KNOW, MASTER SIGN PLAN, UM, UM, THE, THE APPROACH TO THE OTHER FIVE MASTER SIGN PLANS.
BUT I MEAN, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT, YOU HAVE A LOT, A LOT OF LATITUDE HERE.
IF, IF, IF YOU WANNA AMEND THE PD TO ALLOW THIS, YOU CAN AMEND TO THE PD TO ALLOW THIS IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.
UH, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WOULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST SENSE TO THE COUNCIL.
I, I, I, I'M, I'M, I'M FINE WITH TWO EXAMPLES.
THE THIRD EXAMPLE JUST IS A, IS A NON-STARTER FOR ME AND SOUNDS LIKE, LIKE SHARED BY OTHER PEOPLE ON COUNCIL.
AND SO HOWEVER WE COULD DO THIS, AND I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA SEE LARGE ELECTRONIC FLASHING BILLBOARDS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S RIGHT AT THE CORNER.
SO YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT, BUT IT JUST, THAT, THAT, THAT TO ME FEELS LIKE IT OPENS THE DOOR THAT I DON'T THINK, AT LEAST I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO OPEN.
AND I'LL, AND I'LL LEAVE TO THAT.
SO I, I'D LOVE TO HEAR OTHER COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT I SEE THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS MR. BARN.
UM, I, I SECOND, UH, COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER'S CONCERNS ON THAT.
UM, THE, AND I WOULD ADD POLL SIGNS TO THAT, UH, FOR, FOR ME, UH, AND NOT JUST THE DIGITAL, BUT I THINK ANY SIGN WHEN YOU HAVE IT AT THAT ELEVATION, WHETHER IT'S DIGITAL OR A LOT OF TIMES, I FORGET WHAT YOU CALL 'EM, BUT WHEN YOU, THE SHOPPING CENTERS WILL HAVE WHERE IT LISTS ALL THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, EVEN THOSE AREN'T DIGITAL.
BUT IF WE HAD A HUGE SIGN LIKE THAT, THAT MAY NOT, AND I DON'T NEED THE LITTLE ONES THAT ARE WAY WHERE HE SIGNS, I MEAN LIKE SOMETHING BIG UP ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK ANYTHING, ANYTHING ON THAT UPPER LEVEL THAT'S A MULTI-TENANT THAT'S OUT OF, UH, OR ON A POLE OR DIGITAL WOULD FOR ME BE THE KIND OF THE TOP THREE POINTS THERE.
BUT QUESTION THERE, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE SIX APPROVED MASTER SIGN PLANS.
DO ANY OF THOSE CURRENTLY HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS? MEANING IF WE WERE TO CREATE, UH, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK, OKAY, WHAT ALL IS INCLUDED AND I AM BY NO MEANS A SIGN, UH, EXPERT.
SO I'M TRYING TO THINK, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE NOT CATCHING THAT MAY BE APPROVED IF, IF WE WERE TO, AND, AND, UH, IF THE CPC OR FUTURE COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE IT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE, UH, WHAT ARE WE MISSING HERE AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF SIGNS ARE INCLUDED? AND HAVE ANY OF THOSE BEEN EXEMPTED IN PREVIOUS, THESE SIX PREVIOUS ONES YOU, YOU'RE MENTIONING? UM, I THINK, THINK IN MOST OF THESE, OR A LOT OF THE TIME, WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT THE APPLICANT DESIRES TO GO PAST THE TOTAL OTHER, THE MINIMUM OR THE MAXIMUM, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY CAN PUT ON THE SIDE OF A WALL.
UM, SO A BIGGER SIGN IS AN EXCEPTION THAT IS TYPICALLY REQUESTED INTO THESE, UM, THE MORE, MOST RECENT ONE IS NORTH SIDE.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE SPECIFICS ON THAT ONE.
YEAH, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I DON'T RECALL ANY OF THESE MASTER SIGN PLANS EXEMPTING CERTAIN SIGNS.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER PROPERTY OWNER BRINGS IN A COMPLETE SIGN PACKAGE.
AND THE IDEA IS TO LOOK AT IT IN ITS TOTALITY AND HOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TAKE CITYLINE FOR INSTANCE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIGNS THAT GO UP FIVE STORIES ON THE PARKING GARAGE ALONG PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH.
YOU KNOW THAT WITH THE REST THE OF THE, OF THE SITE MADE SENSE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS DONE UNILATERALLY OR IN ISOLATION AT A DIFFERENT PROJECT, THAT MIGHT NOT, THAT MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE.
AND SO I THINK THE IDEA TO GIVE THE, TO GIVE THE OWNER THE CHANCE TO COME IN, PRESENT A, A COMPLETE PACKAGE FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
AND MOST OF, I MEAN, LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 1200 CAMPBELL ROAD.
ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IT, IT, IT IS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR, YOU KNOW, CHAPTER 18, THE SIGN ORDINANCE TO BE APPLIED TO THESE BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT USES WITHIN ONE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE SIGN, IF YOU LOOK IN CHAPTER 18, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC BY ZONING.
DISTRICT TECH USUALLY IS HOW IT'S, IT'S HOW IT'S ORGANIZED.
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COUNCILMAN VARGAS, I CAN'T SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I'M VERY, I FEEL, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT NONE OF THESE HAVE JUST UNILATERAL LATER EXEMPTED A CERTAIN SIGN TYPE OR LOCATION LOCATION.I APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFICATION.
WE'LL SAVE THAT FORWARD DISCUSSION.
YOU, UH, I MEAN, I'M JUST, UH, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS REGION THAT WHY THIS THING CAME.
UH, SO, SO CITY HAS ORDINANCE GUIDELINES ABOUT SIGN OF WHAT TYPE, HOW SIZE CAN BE THERE.
SO DOES THE OWNER NEED TO COME, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD ASKING ANY KIND OF SIGN OR JUST IF THEY GO LIKE SOME EXCEPTION, THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE, THAT'S, SO IF A SIGN IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT, THEN IT'S JUST A PERMITTING PROCESS THROUGH BUILDING INSPECTION.
IF A SIGN, IF A SIGN DEVIATES FROM CHAPTER 18 STANDARDS, THEN THEY REQUEST A VARIANCE IN THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD.
UH, DEREK IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THAT'S USUALLY MORE OF A DAY CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SOMETIMES YOU'LL HAVE A CAMPUS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE TWO OR THREE SIGNS.
UH, I CAN THINK OF SOME OF THE, UM, COMMERCIAL CAMPUSES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BACK IN THE TWO THOUSANDS, MAYBE THEY, THEY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT MONUMENT, MORE MONUMENT SIGNS ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND WHEN OTHERWISE WE ALLOWED, THAT WAS KIND OF NCES WE WERE SEEING.
UM, BUT YOU, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU, I DON'T RECALL A CASE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WAYFINDING, UH, RELOCATING A MONUMENT SIGN AND ATTACHED TO LED SIGN ALL WRAPPED UP IN ONE CASE FOR THE SIGNED CYCLE.
SO BASICALLY THE, THE MASTER PLAN ACTUALLY WOULD INCLUDE LOAD THE SIGN THAT THAT NEEDS VERY YES, BECAUSE THE MASTER, THE MASTER SIGN PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT PROBABLY THE SIGNS THAT ARE GONNA BE PROPOSED WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED.
ALL THE SIGNS THAT ARE GONNA BE PROPOSED WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.
SO INSTEAD OF HANDLING THEM CASE BY CASE BASIS, WHERE YOU LOSE THE CONTEXT OF THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, THE MASTER SCIENCE PLAN TRIES TO BRING THE ENTIRE PLAN FOR CONSIDERATIONS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TOTALITY OF, OF THE PLAN AND KIND OF TAKE IT INTO CONTEXT.
NO, THAT THE CONCEPT IDEA IS GREAT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU'RE A MASTER PLAN.
YOU KNOW, THAT HOW THIS GONNA LOOK LIKE END OF THE DAY, WITHOUT PUTTING THIS, THIS BANDAGE ALL OVER, EVEN THE OWNER MIGHT HAVE IDEA, BUT NOT THE CITY, CITY.
SO WE CONSIDERING YOU THINKING THAT WAY IS PERFECT SCENARIO, BUT ALSO THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY COME WITH LIKE ANOTHER, ANOTHER 40 FEET, FEET TALL SIGN? YOU KNOW, THAT WE TALKED IN THE PAST.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY WILL DO IT, THAT'S THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, OWNERS, UH, BUT THAT COULD HAPPEN, COULD HAPPEN.
SO, SO HOW CAN WE AVOID THOSE KIND OF SCENARIOS? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION I THINK EVERYBODY HAS.
I THINK THAT'S ALSO IN MY MIND, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT THERE.
SO PUTTING, YOU KNOW, CRAZY SIGN DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE OWNERS OWNERS, BUT SOMETHING LOOKS CRAZY TOO.
MY MIND MIGHT NOT BE CRAZY TO ELSE.
I, I THINK THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THE, IF THE, IF THE, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO BE, THE FINAL DETERMINATION ON THAT WOULD BE TO ALLOW A MASTER SIGN PLAN AND MAKE YOURSELF THE, THE FINAL KINDA ARBITRATOR OF WHAT THAT SIGN PLAN IS.
I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN DELEGATED IN THESE CASES TO THE CPC, BUT IF YOU HAVE, HAVE, YOU HAVE EVERY LATITUDE TO SAY, WE WILL ALLOW A MASTER SIGN PLAN, BUT THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, NOW YOU COULD HAVE THE SIGN PLAN, GO TO THE CPC FIRST AND THEN BE SENT TO YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
OR IF YOU WANNA MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, YOU CAN JUST HAVE THE SIGN PLAN, THE MASTER SIGN PLAN COME DIRECTLY BACK TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.
BUT MAYOR, THAT'S, THAT'S TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TO GET AT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, THE SEVEN OF YOU NEED TO BE ULTIMATELY HAVE THE FINAL SAY, SAY ON THAT.
I THINK THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING CASE BY CASE.
SO IT WOULD NOT CREATE 20 CASE.
SO I THINK GOING JUST ONE, ONE TIME INVOLVING THE, UH, COUNSELING IS NOT A BAD IDEA.
SO I'M OPEN LIKE TO THAT IDEA.
I THINK FINALLY LOOK AT IT PROBABLY, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL LOOKING, I MEAN, LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN ONE TIME.
I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
IF, IF COUNCIL, MY, MY ONLY COMMENT IS, IS WHY WOULD WE TREAT THIS MASTER PLAN DIFFERENTLY THAN THE OTHER MASTER PLANS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE? I DON'T KNOW.
I I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE COUNCIL LOOK AT IT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT EITHER, BUT I'M ASKING WHY.
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C'S BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE HIS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, WE APPOINTED REALLY GREAT PEOPLE TO THAT, AND IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT ELECTRONIC SIGNS OF POLE SIGNS, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION.BUT AGAIN, FOR SAKE OF THIS, AS A DEVELOPER, I'M, I'M, I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FINE WITH THERE BEING A MASTER OF SIGN PLAN.
SO IF, IF THE STRUGGLE IS WHO'S GONNA BE THE ARBITER AND FOLKS AREN'T GONNA VOTE FOR IT.
IF WE AREN'T THE ARBITER, THEN, THEN, THEN I'M OKAY WITH IT.
BUT I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THEY'RE CAPABLE PEOPLE IN THE C BBC THAT CAN, CAN DO THIS.
SO, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE PD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN I'M OPEN TO, TO OTHERS AND LOOKS LIKE MR. DORIAN HAS A QUESTION.
UH, UH, CAN I, CAN I ADD ONE THING HERE? SURE, SURE.
WELL, THE LOCATION OF THIS IS SITE, THIS IS AROUND 75.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY LOCATION, AND IT IS LITTLE LOW THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT LOCATION IS THERE TO NOTICE.
SO THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE EXCEPT EXCEPTION FROM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER LOCATION.
SO, SO, UH, THERE IS A HIGHER CHANCE OF GETTING AN SHIP SIGNED IN THAT LOCATION THAN THE OTHERS.
SO, SO EITHER WAY, WHEN THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FLUSHING LED PANEL, IT MIGHT NOT BE BAD IDEA IN THE FUTURE.
SOMEONE PROBABLY THINKING TODAY, WE ARE THINKING TODAY OR, OR TODAY.
BUT IT MIGHT BE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WELL PRACTICED IN THE FUTURE.
DECIDE IT'S BETTER TO LOOK AT IT AND, AND GO ONE ERICA, UH, ARE WE OVERLOOKING AS A COUNCIL, I THINK YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS MASTER SIGNED PLAN WAS SO THAT THE OWNER OR THE APPLICANT HAS THE ABILITY TO KEEP 'EM ALL THOSE SIGNS KIND OF IN A COMPLIMENTARY FASHION.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT EXACT WORD, WORD USED, BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS TO NOT ALLOW THINGS TO GO ROGUE WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT COMPLEX OR WITHIN THAT, THAT FACILITY.
IS THAT THAT CORRECT STATEMENT? THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SCIENCE, THE MASTER SCIENCE PLAN.
SO MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE TOO.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
ARE WE OKAY, COUNSEL, WE, WE ASK, ASK THE APPLICANT.
CURTIS, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT, TO THAT, SIR? UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UH, I, I JUST HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND, AND I, I, BEFORE I MAKE A COMMENT, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR SO I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT THE SCHEMATIC THAT, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DORIAN.
I JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE NOTE.
THIS IS NOT THE PROPOSED SIGN SIGN.
THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF SIGNS THAT COULD BE REQUESTED REQUEST.
I THINK I JUST, I FEEL LIKE I JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE AREN'T, THESE ARE NOT THE PROPOSED SIGNS.
THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF SIGNS THAT ARE IN OUR SIGN EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUGGESTED THESE, THIS IS THE WAY HE'S LEANING, BUT THESE, THESE ARE NOT SIGNS THAT WE ARE, THAT ARE PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
UH, TO GET CLARITY, I KNOW THAT I HEARD, YOU KNOW, THESE COULD BE A PROPOSED, UH, AT GRADE SIGNAGE, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE LEVEL OF THE PARKING OR, UH, PARKING AREA OR, UH, OR, OR, OR PARKWAY IN, IN THE GRASS AREA, UH, THE ICON, UH, OVER ON THE BUILDING WHERE TOP IS, IS THAT A REFERENCE TO WHERE SIGNAGE COULD BE, COULD POTENTIALLY BE THERE AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S DIGITAL OR, OR STATIONARY, OR IS THAT JUST A REFERENCE FOR THE BUILDING? THAT, THAT IS A REFERENCE TO, UM, A, A, UH, PROPOSED OR A CONSIDERED LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH US.
SO YES, THAT, THAT FLAG IS A ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARD.
THAT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS, IS, IS, IS EVALUAT EVALUATING.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I HEARD SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE SIGNAGE THAT IS ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, AT, AT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY KIND, SORT OF AT EYE LEVEL, WE'LL CALL IT, OPPOSED TO BEING ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS COULD BE EITHER OR, BASICALLY.
I JUST WANT TO GET, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLARIFYING THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT A DIGITAL SIGN THAT'S ON THE UPPER PORTION
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OF ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS, AND OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING AT, AT EYE LEVEL, IT DOESN'T MATTER.I KNOW THIS'S NOT A DESIGN, IT'S NOT SCHEMATIC, IT'S JUST A REFERENCE.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHERE THE SIGNAGE GOES, YOU'RE JUST PROPOSED OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.
UH, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M STUART CORDY WITH PRECISION INVESTMENTS ADDRESS, SEVEN 40 EAST CAMPBELL ROAD, SUITE 1, 10 10.
UM, APPRECIATE Y'ALL, Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO, UH, DISCUSS THIS ONE THIS EVENING.
SO, EAST SIDE, UM, I GUESS JUST TO GIVE A QUICK BACKGROUND, OUR COMPANY ACQUIRED THE THREE RETAIL BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE AT EAST SIDE.
UH, BUT I'M ALSO JOINED IN THIS APPLICATION WITH, UH, BERT, WHO OWNS THE 10 STORY OFFICE TOWER, AS WELL AS M MA, WHICH IS THE 430, UH, MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
AND THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER 35, 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, RETAIL SPACE, UH, BENEATH THOSE APARTMENTS THERE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE THING THAT SHOULD BE NOTED HERE IS THIS PROPERTY, IT HAS ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF, OF RETAIL SPACE.
NOW, SOME OF THAT IS SMALL PORTION OF THAT IS SECOND FLOOR, BUT WE STILL TREAT IT AS IF IT'S RETAIL CONSISTENT TO, UH, TO GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
AND SO THIS IS NOT JUST A, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD STRIP CENTER, YOU KNOW, A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT, 20,000 SQUARE FOOT CHOPPING CENTER THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS DIRECT VISIBILITY TO THE ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S 36, UH, RETAIL TENANTS AT THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, ET CETERA.
UM, AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VISIBILITY TO THE ROAD.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT RETAILERS, RESTAURANTS, HISTORICALLY, THE ONES THAT DO THE BEST ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE GOOD VISIBILITY AND GOOD EXPOSURES THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY EXIST.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE BEING IN AN OFFICE BUILDING WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SECRET, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE YOU, YOU KIND OF DEPEND ON, ON THAT TRAFFIC AND, UH, THAT WAY TO PROMOTE YOUR BUSINESS.
AND SO FOR US, UM, WE JUST KINDA STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE, THE PRIOR OWNER OF WHAT WE KIND OF CALL THE SHOPS AT EAST SIDE, JUST TO DIFFERENTIATE THE, YOU KNOW, OUR THREE RETAIL BUILDINGS FROM THE REST OF IT, UH, THE PRIOR OWNER HAD THAT PROPERTY FROM, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 2016 UNTIL WE ACQUIRED IT IN OCTOBER OF 23, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND SO DURING THAT SEVEN YEARS, THEY HAD ONLY SIGNED ONE NEW LEASE AT THE PROPERTY.
SO ACROSS THE 67,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY ONLY SIGNED ONE NEW LEASE, AND THEY LOST A HAND TENANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, TWISTED ROOF, JERSEY, MIKES CELLO, UM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND SO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ON THE DECLINE, AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE ACQUIRED IT, IT WAS AT 50%, 50% LEASE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF START GETTING TO THAT POINT WHERE, UH, THE DOMINO STARTS TO FALL.
AND AS, AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MORE TENANTS LEAVE, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE OPPOSITE ACTIVITY, BREACH MORE ACTIVITY.
AND THIS WAS KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE REVERSE EFFECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, ONE LEAVES ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT'S LESS PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO LESS PEOPLE THERE THAN SUPPORTING THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE.
AND, UM, ANYWAY, SO, SO OUR TEAM HAS REALLY BEEN KIND OF WORKING INCREDIBLY DILIGENTLY TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE BRING THIS BACK TO, UH, TO THE PROMINENT LOCATION THAT IT ONCE WAS? AND SO OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE GONE FROM 50%.
UH, WE HAVE ONLY ONE, UM, FOR OUR PORTION OF IT, WE ONLY HAVE ONE SPACE REMAINING ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, WHICH WE'RE ACTUALLY AT LEASE ON RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE SPACE ON THE, UM, ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND SO IT'S, UH, THIS IS KIND OF TRANSITIONED MORE INTO A, TO RETENTION, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE SUPPORT THESE BUSINESSES TO, TO KEEP THEM HERE FOR THE LONG TERM? IT DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD OR, UH, THE PROPERTY OR THE COMMUNITY ANY GOOD IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT JUST BECOMES A REVOLVING DOOR OF, YOU KNOW, ONE TENANT FAILING AFTER ANOTHER AND CONSTANTLY ASKING TO, UH, TO REPLACE 'EM.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR OBJECTIVE IS HERE TODAY IS NOT TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS FOR OUR OWN BENEFIT, BUT IT'S HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE FIND WAYS TO MAKE THESE TENANTS BE, BE MORE SUCCESSFUL, SUCCESSFUL AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL THEN THAT, THAT HELPS US BE SUCCESSFUL IN JUST BEING, UH, BEING THE
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LANDLORD FOR THEM.SO, UM, TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE SIGN THAT WAS UP THERE, UM, THAT ELECTRONIC SIGN ON THE TOWER, I WILL SAY IF, IF YOU, THE, THE MAIN REASON TO THAT WAS, UM, IS REALLY BECAUSE OF THE FLYOVER OF 75.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT 75, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES PER DAY THAT ARE DRIVING BY THE PROPERTY.
AND SO FOR THE MAJORITY OF, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG 75, THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT EXPOSURE.
UH, WHEREAS HERE, DUE TO THE FLYOVER, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HARDLY SEE ANY PART OF THE PROPERTY FOR, UM, IF THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE PROMINENT CLASS A DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE UP AND DOWN 75, UH, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO SEE SIMILAR TYPES OF SIGNAGE.
UH, THE TWO THAT COME TO MIND WOULD BE, UH, DOWN AT WALNUT HILL AND 75, WHERE THE TRADER JOE'S IS.
YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
UH, THEN ALSO, UH, WATERS CREEK UP IN ALLEN.
UM, AND SO, UH, IT, IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A FLASHING DISPLAY BOARD.
UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT FOR THIRD PARTY ADVERTISEMENTS OF ANY SORT.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT AND PROFIT FROM IT.
UH, IT WOULD SOLELY BE JUST USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DISPLAYING A TENANT'S NAME.
UH, MAYBE THEY'VE GOT A CELL GOING ON.
MAYBE IT'S A GRAND OPENING THAT'S TAKING PLACE.
UH, WE DO, WE'VE BROUGHT BACK THE, THERE'S THE TWO ACRE PARK THAT'S THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF EAST SIDE.
UH, WE'VE BROUGHT BACK THE PROMOTIONAL EVENTS THERE, SO DOING, YOU KNOW, FREE MOVIE NIGHTS IN THE PARK, UH, WHERE THEY'LL DO A, YOU KNOW, DISNEY MOVIE, UH, THAT HAD ELVIS IMPERSONATOR OUT THERE RECENTLY.
AND SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT GOES UP THERE.
JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH THEN HELPS, UH, HELPS THESE BUSINESSES TO SUCCEED.
AND, UM, THE OTHER THING TO MENTION ON THAT IS THE CITY DOES HAVE, UH, STANDARDS FOR HOW, HOW FREQUENTLY THOSE, THOSE TIMES CAN'T CHANGE.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, MIGHT BE FOUR MINUTES.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DRIVING NORTH OR SOUTHBOUND ON 75, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA SEE WHAT IT IS AT THAT TIME.
IT'S NOT GONNA GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE CHANGING FREQUENTLY ENOUGH FOR IT TO JUST BE A CONSTANT, A CONSTANT CHANGE.
UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, THAT WAS ABOUT IT.
BUT HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT ASK.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS, MR. CARL? I JUST, JUST, UM, I'M ONLY GONNA ASK THIS JUST TO GET, TO GET THE, THE ROOT OF THE QUESTION.
DO WE APPROVE, DO WE APPROVE THE CPC TAKING A LOOK AT THIS OR NOT? JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTEN THE VACANCY RATE DOWN ESSENTIALLY 90%, I THINK, RIGHT? YOU SAID YES TO 1%.
SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, THAT, THAT THE REASON YOU'RE ASKING FOR THIS IS FOR A STRATEGY TO, YOU KNOW, TO I GUESS KEEP THOSE TENANTS THERE.
BUT CAN YOU JUST DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHY, WHY YOU GOT IT BACK UP TO 91%? I MEAN, WHY IS, WHY IS THIS SIGN PLAN CRITICAL TO THAT, TO KEEPING, KEEPING THEM THERE? YEAH, OF COURSE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REASON THAT, THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT RETAIL BUILDINGS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GENERALLY ALWAYS ON THE BUSIER STREETS.
AND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THINGS ARE CRITICAL FOR A SHOPPING CENTER, AND THAT'S ACCESS, THAT'S VISIBILITY.
AND, UM, AND THAT'S COTENANCY AS WELL.
AND MAKING SURE YOU'VE GOT GOOD CO TENANTS THERE.
AND SO WITH THIS ONE, IF, IF YOU LOOK, UM, DEREK, ARE WE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE OVERALL, THE, THE AERIAL VIEW? ONE MORE PLEASE.
AND SO IF YOU SEE THE PROPERTY THERE, THERE ARE A FEW SPACES THAT HAVE, UM, THAT HAVE GOOD EXPOSURE TO THE STREET.
SO IF Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHERE PANERA IS SEVEN 11 FROST BANK, UM, THAT KIND OF STRIP, THAT FRONTS CAMPBELL ROAD, UH, THEY'RE WELL POSITIONED.
BUT THEN ON THE, ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, YOU HAVE TENANTS LIKE, YEAH, MALICIOUS.
MM-HMM,
THERE'S A NEW RESTAURANT CALLED THE ICON.
UM, ALL THE MAS PORTION, WHICH IS THE, THE MULTIFAMILY THERE.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL INTERIOR FACING SPACES.
AND SO UNLESS SOMEONE'S ACTUALLY DRIVING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, THEN THEY DON'T END THAT, THOSE BUSINESSES ARE THERE.
THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY EXIST, EXIST.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, IT IS JUST
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INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND 36 TENANTS.AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE NORMAL SIGN ONE, WHICH IS I THINK DESIGNED BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL CENTER, 80 SQUARE FEET, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 80 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU CAN HAVE.
IT'S VERY HARD TO FIT, YOU KNOW, TO PROMOTE THAT MANY BUSINESSES ON, ON A SMALL SIGN.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, FIRST I WANNA SAY GREAT JOB ON BRINGING MORE TENANTS.
UH, I, I THINK IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS I'VE PROBABLY EATEN THERE, CUT MY HAIR THERE FIVE OR SIX TIMES.
I, I FREQUENT EAST SIDE OFTEN.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE, A SIMILAR QUESTION TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CORCORAN ASKED AS FAR AS KIND OF SOME OF THE, TO UNDERSTAND THE THINKING THERE BECAUSE, UM, WELL, DEREK OR WHOEVER HAS CONTROL, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 21? I NOTICED THAT ON THE PICTURE, ON THE RIGHT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE BRICK IS, YOU COULD SEE THERE WAS A SIGN PREVIOUSLY, AND I KNOW PREVIOUSLY YOU'VE HAD ANOTHER.
SO HAVE Y'ALL MOVED AWAY FROM THOSE COMPLETELY? BECAUSE BY RIGHT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT ABOVE WHERE THAT WINDOW IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE BRICK, LIKE RIGHT ABOVE THERE, YOU SEE WHERE A SIGN TO BE, YOU SEE WHERE IT'S KIND OF PATCHED UP.
SO, AND BY RIGHT, YOU GUYS CAN PUT THEM THERE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE SIGNS THERE, 'CAUSE OF THE DART RAIL, YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IT? IS THAT WHAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS THERE? IT'S, IT'S HARDER TO SEE IF YOU'RE HEADING, IF YOU'RE HEADING SOUTHBOUND.
UM, IT, AND IT IS, IS IT'S SLIGHTLY VISIBLE.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING YES, WE'VE USED THAT, THAT JUST DOESN'T, BECAUSE THERE IS A, JUST PAST THAT WHERE IT'S CROPPED OFF.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S FROST BANK HAS ONE OF THOSE METAL SIGNS THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
AND, AND YOU CAN, IF YOU'RE IN THE, THE RIGHT, THE CORRECT LANE, LANE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CLOSEST TO WHICH I GUESS COULD BE THE RIGHT LANE, THEN, THEN, AND THIS IS JUST THE HIGH POINT.
SO YOU JUST HAVE THE X AMOUNT OF FEET.
MM-HMM,
YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE FOOTAGE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
IS THAT AN EXTRA 12 FEET MAYBE? MAYBE HIGHER, HIGHER, UH, I THINK IT'S SEVEN FEET.
AND IN THE SIGN, UM, IT, IT, I BELIEVE A BILLBOARD WAS MENTIONED.
IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S ABOUT ABOUT 20, 25% OF THE WIDTH WITH WHAT A, A BILLBOARD ACTUALLY IS.
SO, UM, SO MAYBE NOT QUITE AS LARGE WHAT IT LOOKS.
SO I KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION SLASH COMMENT.
I WAS GONNA SAVE A FAVORITE COMMENT SECTION, BUT I WANT GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF ADDRESS IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S A QUESTION IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
UM, UM, AND I, I WANT TO DO THAT WITH YOU VERSUS DOING IT LATER WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF, OF ONE OF THE ONE MAIN ARGUE THAT THE PURPOSE OR ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF, KIND OF CONTAINED CUSTOMER BASE RIGHT? TO THE SOUTH OF YOU.
YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE BUILDING OUT, UM, THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL CLEAR UP YOUR PARKING LOT SOONER AND, AND ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF A LITTLE ROUGH THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UH, BUT ONE MAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA, ARE GONNA QUESTION RESIDENTS, IS WHY ALLOW THAT WHEN THEY HAVE THAT BUILT IN CUSTOMER BASE.
SO IF YOU COULD KIND OF ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR KIND OF THE THINKING WHEN YOU DO HAVE A CUSTOMER BASE THAT IS THE BENEFIT OF A, BY THE ALL THE APARTMENTS AND, AND THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, THAT'S KIND OF THE, KIND OF THE BIG BENEFIT OF MIXED NEWS.
SO WHY THE EXTERNAL MARKETING VERSUS MORE OF AN INTERNAL FOCUS, SUCH AS THE WAY WORDS AND MONUMENTS AND SOME OF THAT SIDE TRAFFIC ONE, WE THINK IT'S ALL GREAT.
I THINK THAT IT, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER THOUGH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE AND NOT TO A POINT WHERE NECESSARILY YOU'RE LIKE, DESTINED FOR FAILURE.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THESE STUDENTS IN A POSITION TO WHERE THEY CAN BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SURROUND NORTH TEXAS, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SELF-CONTAINED WITH MULTIFAMILY ABOVE THEM, THE, THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE ACTUALLY PERFORMS, UH, VERY POORLY.
AND, UM, I CAN GO ON AND ON WITH, UH, SO MY, MY BACKGROUND COMES FROM, UH, LEASING SIDE.
I SPENT A DECADE AS A RETAIL LEASING BROKER AND WORKED ON LEASING NUMEROUS, UH, MIXED, HUGE PROJECTS LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN, I SEE A LOT OF 'EM THAT ARE JUST IN SHELL CONDITIONS, FACE IN SHELL CONDITIONS EVER SINCE
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THEY'VE BEEN BUILT.AND THE, THE REASON FOR IS THE, THE APARTMENTS CAN SUPPORT UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT, UM, BUT OFTENTIMES WHAT'S BEING BUILT IS FAR MORE THAN, THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ONLY THE, THE PEOPLE THERE ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, GO IN AND SUPPORT EM.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP, KIND OF A DELI MARKET, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA DO WELL, YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, DRY CLEANERS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAKES IT FOR THAT CONVENIENCE ASPECT OF IT.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOU'RE A, IF YOU'RE A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, IN 3000 SQUARE FEET, 4,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NEEDING MORE THAN JUST JUST THOSE PEOPLE.
UH, THE OTHER PART OF IT, UM, WHICH I MEANT TO MENTION EARLIER, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, PROPERTIES WHERE I, I SAID EARLIER THAT RETAIL NEEDS VISIBILITY TO SUCCEED.
THERE IS AN ACCEPTANCE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS A BIG ANCHOR, BIG DRAW, SO THAT MIGHT BE WALMART OR, UH, A GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENTLY PULLING PEOPLE THAT BUILDINGS MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT UP ON THE MAIN ROAD.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT ANCHOR THAT'S BRINGING IN, BRINGING IN THE SHOPPER EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS OFF TOPIC FROM YOUR QUESTION, BUT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WANNA GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY.
MR. DORY, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I, UH, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT I, OR JUST, UH, STATE THAT GENERALLY I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO BE, AND, AND ARE A SUSTAINABLE CITY OF BRINGING BUSINESS AND BRINGING BUSINESS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTING, AND VENDORS THAT ARE RENTING SPACE IN ALL THE BUILDINGS.
AND I DO UNDERST UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW, KNOW ALL OF THE VENDORS ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THIS SPACE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A YOUNG MALICIOUS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS KIND OF A NAME BRAND PRODUCT, WE'LL CALL IT.
AND IT IS ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE COURTYARD.
AND, AND WE'VE ALL FREQUENT THAT, THAT ESTABLISHMENT AND, AND LIKE, IT, AND I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SOMEWHAT ADVERTISE OR BRING ATTENTION AT SOME POINT TO SOME OF THE INTERIOR MODELS.
AND, AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER, UH, MORE NAME BRAND BUSINESSES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE EXPOSED IF SOMEONE WERE TO BE DRIVING BY OR DRIVING THROUGH RICHARDSON, YOU, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC VENDOR, UH, OR RETAILER, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT STOP BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THEY EXIST THERE UNLESS YOU'RE GOOGLE MAPPING IT, OF COURSE, WHICH IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE USE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT FACT UP.
I DO, I WANNA LOOK AT THAT AS A, AS A, UH, PART OF THE CASE HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED SOMEWHAT, WE NEED, WE, WE NEED SOME TYPE OF SIGNAGE TO WHERE IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IN THE FAC, UH, THE ENTIRE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, AND TO PROTECT THE FUTURE VENDORS AND RETAILERS FOR ANY PROPER PROPERTY OWNER AND, AND OR DEVELOPER.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THE SAME PAGE, UH, TO UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP OUR RETAILERS IN BUSINESS.
WELL, I THINK TODAY WE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PROCESS THAT WHAT SHOULD WE DO NEXT? YOU KNOW, THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, IT COULD HAVE JUST ONE SIGN OR COULD HAVE 10 SIGNS, SIGNS, FIVE SIGNS.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE THREE EXAMPLES OUT THERE.
IT MIGHT BE FOURTH ONE THAT WE DON'T SEE EVEN HOW HARD WE CAN TRY TO LOOK AT.
SO THAT'S NOT A QUESTION EITHER, EITHER ADVERTISEMENT, HOW, HOW FAR THEY NEED TO GO, THAT'S, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT EITHER.
WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, WHAT WE DO, WE FROM HERE TO THE NEXT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT LONG, I THINK WE CAN BRING THEM BACK HERE WHEN THEY PREPARE THE PLAN, THEN WE CAN SPEND ANOTHER HOUR.
MAYBE WE'LL COME UP, UP WITH A SOLUTION OR COME UP WITH A DECISION.
I THINK SOMEBODY DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY.
AND THIS IS VERY HIGH VALUED PROPERTY.
AND WHEN I SAW FIRST TIME, I DID NOT KNOW THAT THING EXISTED.
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LEADERSHIP RESEARCH CLASS 25 THAT REALLY SHOW ME THAT THAT PROPERTY OUT THERE, THEY LOVE THE FOOD THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, UH, OUT THERE THAT'S A GREAT DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT.SO NOBODY'S QUESTIONING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS KNOW HOW WE CAN SOLVE THIS AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
GREAT WITH COUNCILMAN, UM,
AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT FOLKS WANT THIS TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL OR THE CPC TO APPROVE THE ULTIMATE SIGN PLAN PLAN.
WE HAVE NO IDEA, IDEA WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THIS.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE MR. ROGER.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, CLARIFY MY POSITION ON THIS, I MEAN, A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREEMENT AGREEMENT, CLICK TO APPROVE THE MASTER SIGN PLAN PLAN.
AND EITHER I, I, I JUST, I JUST, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A MASTER SIGN PLAN, BUT IT JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE EITHER NEEDS TO BE, NEED TO DO IT WITH GUARDRAILS, OR MAYBE IT DOES NEED TO COME TO THE, MAYBE IT DOES NEED TO COME TO THE COUNCIL ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT, WHAT THAT, AND AGAIN, I, I HATE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO THAT ONE SIGN.
BUT AGAIN, AGAIN, I THINK EVERYTHING, I MEAN, IF ALL THE DIRECTORY SIGNS, THE, THE, ON THE GROUND POINTING OUT WHERE ALL THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS ARE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT ESTABLISHMENTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, A THOUSAND PERCENT IN AGREEMENT.
AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN SAID.
I JUST HAVE THE CONCERN, WE, WE, THAT THAT IS, IS THAT IS OPENING A DOOR THAT CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE IN RICHARDSON.
I MEAN, EVEN THE APPLICANT SET IN ITSELF, THERE'S ONE IN ALLEN, THERE'S ONE IN DALLAS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN, IN RICHARD RICHARDSON.
WHEN WE DID, WHEN THE CITY LINING WAS DONE, AND I WASN'T ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, AS MR. MAGNER NOTED, THERE'S STATIC SIGNS THAT HAVE ON THE SIDE OF THE, THAT'S ON THE PARKING GARAGE AND I DRIVE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, IT JUST, JUST STATICALLY STATES THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE.
AGAIN, AGAIN, I MAY NOT EVEN BE OPPOSED TO THAT, BUT TO IT A LARGE CONSTANT.
AND I, I KNOW YOU SAID IT'D ONLY CHANGE EVERY FOUR MINUTES.
STILL CONSISTENTLY CHANGING, ALSO CONSTANTLY, BUT IT'S CONSISTENTLY CHANGING AND HAVING, HAVING THINGS UP THERE AND DIFFERENT ANNOUNCEMENTS AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S JUST A MAJOR DEPARTURE FROM ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE IN THIS CITY.
AND THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING AT DEPARTURE.
SO AGAIN, AGAIN, NOT OPPOSED TO AMENDING THE MEDIA OPPOSED TO THE MASTER SCIENCE PLAN PLAN, WE EITHER, I FEEL LIKE IT'S EITHER FROM A GUARDRAIL PERSPECTIVE, WE OUGHT TO PUT SOME GUARDRAILS IN PLACE BECAUSE, AND IF EVERYBODY ELSE AGREES WITH ME, IF I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THIS WAY, OBVIOUSLY I'LL, I'LL BE OUTVOTED ON THAT.
UM, OR MAYBE IT DOES NEED TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IN MY MIND, THAT'S A MAJOR DEPARTURE FROM ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY, DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
YEAH, MAY I WAS GONNA SUGGEST MAYBE YOU ASK STAFF TO SIT DOWN, OPEN UP THE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN YOU GUYS COULD JUST GET THEIR COMMENTS.
GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY? I DON'T HAVE ANY, MA'AM.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING MR. MR. SECOND GOT A MOTION.
PASSES AS UNANIM UNANIMOUSLY UNANIM.
LOOKING FOR A MOTION, MR. COURT, I'M, YOU HAVE FOUR COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
SIR, I WAS SAVING MY COMMENTS FOR THIS TIME.
UH, I, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILMAN HUTCH RE ON THIS AND I TO COUNCILMAN HUTCH.
COUNCILMAN JUSTICE'S POINT EARLIER ABOUT CPCI, I THINK IT SHOULD REMAIN WITH PC.
UM, BUT I, I DO AGREE ABOUT THE DIGITAL SIGNS AND REMOVING THE POLE SIGNS.
UM, MAYOR, YOU ASKED EARLIER, WHY KEEP THIS DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THE OTHERS THAT WERE LISTED? AND CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT LIST? WHOEVER HAS CONTROL.
THANK YOU, MO MOST OF THOSE, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT TIMELINE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE ARE IN AREAS WHERE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
I WAS DRIVING THAT IN THIS AREA.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF EAST SIDE IS THAT IT KIND OF MATCHES ALL FOUR CORNERS OF CAMPBELL IN 75.
AND IT, IT, IT BLENDS IN WITH THAT KIND OF RED BRICK ON THE NORTH AND ON THE WEST, AND IT, IT, THAT'S PART OF THE BEAUTY OF THAT AREA.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT, UM, SCALE, VERY DIFFERENT FEEL.
ONE COULD SAY CULTURE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO COMPARING IT AND SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT QUITE APPLES TO APPLES.
SO THAT'S THE ANSWER TO ON MY PART AS FAR AS WHY WE MAY CONSIDER THAT.
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OTHER DECISIONS WERE MADE BY PREVIOUS COUNSELS.UM, WHICH DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE HAVE TO MAKE THE SAME DECISION.
SO TO, UH, UH, I DO STAND ON LEAVING IT LEAVING CPC, ALTHOUGH I WOULD BE, I WOULD PREFER TO LEAVE IT WITH THE CPC.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BRING BACK, BUT I THINK CPC IS THE ANSWER THERE.
UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE DIGITAL THAT HIGHER ELEVATION AND COAL SIGNS TO THAT WOULD BE, UM, MY REMOVALS FROM THIS AND ANYTHING IF THOSE WORK PART OF IT THAT WOULD NEED TO COME TO US.
ANYTHING ELSE THEN LET CPC DECIDE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE MASTER SIGN PLAN CONCEPT.
I THINK MA HAVING A MASTER SCIENCE PLAN IS A GREAT IDEA TO SUPPORT HAVING A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS.
UH, I JUST THINK, THINK THOSE PARTICULAR ONES, AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS I'M NOT CATCHING, BUT THOSE PARTICULAR ARE THE ONES I'M THINKING OF THAT THAT WOULD NOT SEEM TO FIT WITH THIS.
AND I WOULD STRUGGLE TO, UM, ALLOW THOSE, UM, FOR SIMILAR REASONS.
COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER MENTIONED THE, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED, NEED TO KEEP THOSE BUSINESSES AND I WANT THIS APPLICANT AND THE OTHER, UM, HIS PARTNERS IN THIS, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT TO SUCCEED.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU SUCCEED, WE ALL SUCCEED.
BUT I, I THINK WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVING A MI A MIX OF THAT MASTERMIND PLAN AND MAYBE A MIX OF ANOTHER PIECE OF THE MARKETING CHANGING UP ON BOTH SIDES, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO FIND THAT RIGHT MIX WITHOUT HAVING TO CREATE THAT, THAT ROOF SIGN, THAT HAVING TO HAVE A POLE SIGN.
UH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A, UH, I DON'T THINK JUST HAVING TO SIGN UP TOP OR CREATE A POLE SIGN IS KINDA AUTOMATIC MEDIC FIX EVERYTHING.
SO, SO I THINK IT'S A MIXTURE OF THE TWO OF BOTH.
AND, AND MY BIGGEST ISSUES THERE ON CALLING OUT THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF SIGNS ARE BECAUSE THOSE ARE MORE EXTERNAL VERSUS INTERNAL.
UM, AND YOU START MESSING THINGS EXTERNALLY.
I THINK IT KIND OF CHANGES THE FEEL OF DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, I THINK IT CHANGES, UM, A LOT IN THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S SOME OF THE REASONS.
SO TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PROPOSAL, YOU WANNA, YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THE MATH MASTER SIGN PLAN WOULD GO BACK TO THE CPC UNLESS IT INCLUDES POLL SIGNS ON AND OR DIGITAL SIGNS, IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD COME TO THE COUNT COUNCIL.
RECOMMEND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
SO, JUST, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE LED SIGN, WHICH IS NOT PRESENT TODAY.
THERE ALL THERE ARE POLL SIGNS PRESENT AT E AT E SIDE.
SO I THINK THINK ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO, WE DO AS YOU WOULD BE RENDERING THOSE SIGNS, LEGAL NONCONFORMING, CAN WE ADD THE WORD ADDITIONAL TO IT FOR POLL SIGNS? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT'S THERE TO BE NONCONFORMING.
I DEFINITELY DON'T WISH THAT I, I I REALLY, THIS IS, I'M GONNA, I'M PROBABLY JUST ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTANDING THIS KIND OF, UH, I THINK LEGISLATING FROM THE DIOCESE IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION.
I PROBABLY AM GONNA NEED TO, TO GET PETE SMITH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S CONSULTATION ON THAT.
WHETHER WE CAN CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T WANT TO SAY FOR SURE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE CAN RENDER A TYPE OF SIGN, UM, ILLEGAL AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE SIGNS JUST 'CAUSE THEIR EXISTING BE LEGAL CONFORMING.
I THINK THEY WOULD MAKE THEM LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
THAT'S MY TAKE, MY EXPERIENCE TELLS ME THAT.
BUT I WOULD RATHER GET A LEGAL OPINION ON THAT SO THAT WE CAN BE CERTAIN.
THEN I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE COULD CONTINUE IT, UH, PENDING, UH, LEGAL OPINION.
COUNSEL, ANY OTHER, MR. I, I THINK PUTTING CONDITION ON THIS, THIS MAKES REALLY COMPLICATED AND DISCUSSING, LIKE, TO ME, EASIER TO BRING BACK THE, TO THE COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY HAVE THE MASTER PLAN TO LOOK AT IT.
SO WE CAN DONE EVERYTHING IN ONE MEETING.
LIKE, LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LENGTH OF DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
IF THE ACTUAL MASTER PLAN WAS, WAS THERE TODAY, WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY REACHED DECISION CLOSE TO THAT.
SO LET'S, YOU KNOW, UH, I KNOW WE, THERE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS VERY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR THE OWNER, ALSO FOR THE CITY.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE IN THIS COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL REGARDLESS.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY EASIEST WAY NO MOVING FORWARD, MR. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, MY INITIAL INCLINATION IS JUST TO, JUST TO GIVE THIS THE CPC WITH THE CONDITIONS, BUT GIVEN, GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, IT MIGHT BE BETTER JUST FOR US TO COME BACK AND REVIEW IT AFTER.
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I JUST WANNA SAY, I, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE SHOULD STICK OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PROTOCOL OF HAVING, UH, CPC, YOU KNOW, ANALYZE AND, UH, PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.AND POTENTIALLY IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER COUNSEL COME BACK THROUGH AND, UH, MAKING COMMENTS, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH DON AS WELL THAT I SEE, UH, SOME LEGAL ADVICE ON HOW TO APPROACH THAT DETAIL.
I'M PREPARED TO SAY TONIGHT, IF YOUR DECISION IS TO MOVE FORWARD BY ALLOWING A MASTER PLAN, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT, GO TO THE CPC, THAT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN IT GOING TO THE SCIENCE CONTROL BOARD FOR CHAPTER 18.
THE CPC, LIKE THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE FINAL SAY, UH, YOU CAN TAKE THE SAME KINDA LEGISLATIVE ACTION YOU DO WITH THE, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A, A, A COMPROMISE IN THE SENSE THE CPC STILL GETS TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE, YOU KNOW, UH, CODE UPDATES, WHETHER WE WANNA APPLY THAT, THAT PROCEDURE TO THE OTHER FIVE AREAS AS WELL AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A RUSH TO DO.
THOSE AREAS HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY, OR THOSE AREAS HAVE BEEN PRETTY FINISHED OUT FROM THEIR MASTER SIGN PLANS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT A CONSISTENT APPROACH AS WE LOOK AT OTHER GENERIC CODE UPDATES IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE THE, MAKE THE PROCESS CONSISTENT.
BUT THEY COULD, IF YOU, IF YOU SEND IT TO THE CCP C FIRST, THEY SEND YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU ULTIMATELY HAVE THE FINAL SAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY YOU TREAT SIGNS UNDER CHAPTER 18.
YOU'RE JUST USING THE CPC VERSUS THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD BOARD.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT ANY, ANY OTHER KIND OF, UM, GUARDRAILS ON IT.
JUST, JUST LET, LET THEM BRING YOU WHAT THEY, THEY THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
AND YOU CAN HAVE THAT, YOU CAN HAVE THAT FINAL SAY, SAY, YEAH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT, THAT SEND IT TO CC, THEN BRING IT TO US WITH FINAL SAY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THOSE PARTICULARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS UPDATING SIGN, UM, HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THAT AS A WHOLE, I THINK THAT'D BE WORTHY OF DOING.
I KNOW RECENTLY THERE WERE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME SIGNING, UM, AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
SO I THINK THAT'S MAYBE SMARTER AS MARY.
CAN I OFFER UP JUST A SUGGESTED MOTION? MOTION? SO I THINK THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, MASTER SIGN PLAN APPROVAL IN THE FUTURE WILL BE, UH, FIRST HEARD BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SENT TO THE COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL ACTION.
I GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO CLARIFY.
THAT'S JUST FOR THIS PDED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS CASE CASE.
THAT'S MOTION I'D LIKE TO MAKE.
WE NOW HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. ROGER.
THAT ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[8. CONSENT AGENDA]
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA, AND THAT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.BEFORE WE DELVE INTO THAT AND ASK FOR A MOTION, I'D LIKE FOR MR. MAGNER TO CLARIFY PART OF THIS.
I JUST WANT YOU TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AND MAKE IT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEM A ONE, WHICH, WHICH IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 45, UH, 45 15, UH, IN THE, UH, UH, PACKET THAT WAS, UH, POSTED ONLINE WAS AN EARLIER VERSION ON FRIDAY, EXCUSE ME, WAS AN EARLIER VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE.
I WANTED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR AND DRAW TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION IN PUBLIC'S ATTENTION THAT THE, UH, SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THAT CASE ARE RELATED TO, UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, THE MURAL ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, UM, AND THE CONCEPTUAL, UH, PAINT, PAINT SCHEME.
ALL OF THOSE, UH, SPECIAL, UM, UM, STIPULATIONS HAVE NOW BEEN UPDATED AND INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT THOSE ARE PART OF THE, UM, THE ADOPTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND SO, UM, I, UH, AS, AS THE PACKET EVOLVED OVER THE WEEKEND, WE BEGIN TO REFINE OUR THINKING ABOUT HOW BEST TO APPROACH THAT.
SO YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED THAT COPY OF THAT ORDINANCE WITH THE SECTIONS THAT WERE ADDED.
UH, AND THE ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED ONLINE FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT.
TONIGHT IS THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HAND.
DAWN, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
WOULD THIS BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK? WHAT ABOUT ONE OF THE EDITS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED? OR DO WE NEED TO PULL THAT OFF TO ASK? I'M OKAY ASKING NOW.
UH, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO PULL OFF IT.
I DON'T THINK YOU PULL IT OUT.
SO I NEED CLARIFICATION BECAUSE, UH, 1D THAT READS THE PROPERTY SHALL BE DEVELOPED SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE FOR THE LANDSCAPE CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD, IT'S NOT JUST DEVELOPED, BUT MAINTAINED SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST DEVELOPING IN PLANTS DIE, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S UNDER CHAPTER 13 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
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ADDRESSED IN THAT, THAT APPLIES TO ALL LANDSCAPE PLANS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.MR. HUSCH HU, MAYOR, I MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. DORIAN, ARE YOU TRYING TO SECOND? A SECOND? WE CAN'T, JOHN, HEAR YOU.
CURTIS, PUSH YOUR, YOUR MY APOLOGY.
UH, I I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A SECOND FOR THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY.
[9. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]
NINE, REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, INTEREST.COUNSEL, ANY COMMUNITY INTERESTS, INTEREST, MR. SHAUL? JUST, UH, THIS, UH, THIS, UH, SUNDAY AFTERNOON I HAD THE, THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT AND ATTEND.
UH, AND ONE PROJECT THAT WAS, UH, INITIATED BY THE CHURCH CENTER, INTERFAITH ALLIANCE, UH, AND, UH, EAST PANEL ISLAMIC ISLAMIC COMMUNITY, EPIC AND, UH, COMPASSIONATE, UH, DFW.
UH, ANYWAY, I CAN READ VERY CLEARLY TODAY, BUT I'LL BE ABLE TO READ BETTER NEXT WEEK.
BUT ANYWAY, THEY HAVE PREPARED A HUNDRED THOUSAND PLUS MEAL, UH, YESTERDAY, SO THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT EVERY YEAR.
THERE WERE MORE THAN A HUNDRED VOLUNTEERS.
IT'S A GREAT EVENT, GREAT CALLS.
IT'S FOR CHILDREN, CHILDREN EVERYWHERE.
THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING COUNCIL AT THAT EVENT.
AND THAT IS A ANNUAL EVENT THAT, UH, FEEDS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN.
AND IT'S, IT IS A GREAT EVENT.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.
I MISSED IT BECAUSE I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND AN EVENT.
I WAS INVITED BY THE WEEK OF WOMEN VOTERS OF DALLAS, UH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH GIRL SCOUTS, SCOUTS, UH, VARIOUS GIRL SCOUT TROOPS, UM, AS PART OF, UM, UH, PROMOTE THE VOTE.
UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE TALKING TO, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND, UM, HOW TO BE ACTIVE CITIZENS.
AND, UM, THEY DID A LITTLE EXERCISE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EACH TABLE CAME UP WITH WHAT A POTENTIAL LAW THEY WERE INTERESTED IN PASSING.
AND THEN THE ENTIRE GROUP GOT TO CAST A BALLOT ON WHICH ONE THEY WANTED.
AND IT WAS INTERESTING, UH, EXERCISE BECAUSE ONE SIDE CAME UP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, A PET LAW AND THE OTHER ONE CAME UP WITH A PARKING LAW.
THERE WERE SEVEN PEOPLE AT ONE TABLE AND FIVE PEOPLE AT THE OTHER TABLE.
AND, AND AS DEMOCRACY WORKS, THE PET LAW WAS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY PASSED.
IT HAD FEWER PEOPLE AT THE TABLE THAT CAME UP WITH IT.
SO IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SORT OF SEE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION, UH, TO THE GIRL SCOUTS AND, AND LET THEM SEE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW, UM, UM, GOVERNMENT WORKS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE ENGAGED.
SO IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
THANKS FOR SHARING MR. BARRIOS.
UM, ON THIS SATURDAY THE 12TH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE AND I LIEUTENANT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WENT AFTER WE LEFT, BUT I KNOW WE WERE THERE AT THE SAME TIME AT THE RICHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FALL FESTIVAL OVER AT RICHLAND ELEMENTARY.
I KNOW LAST YEAR I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND AS WELL.
UM, ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME OUT.
THERE WERE RICES AND PETTING ZOO AND UH, FOUR BULLETS WAS OUT THERE.
I DID NOT GET ON ANY RICES, BUT I DID TASTE.
THERE'S A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR THERE THAT SELLS LAST YEAR 'CAUSE SHE MADE THE MOST AMAZING COOKIES AND THIS YEAR SHE MADE THE MOST AMAZING APPLE PIE.
UM, BUT IT'S SO GREAT TO SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THIS IS A STRONG NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
JUST, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND A STRONG ONE.
AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE AND LEARN, LEARN, UH, 'CAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT, IT'S, UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM ON A GREAT, GREAT EVENT.
I, MY, I'M, UH, YES, AND, AND I, I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT EVENT.
AT RICHLAND PARK, WE, WE, UH, I GENERALLY TRY TO ATTEND THAT EVENT AND IT'S ALWAYS INCREDIBLE.
AND I, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, AND THEY DO HAVE A GREAT CAMARADERIE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THEY BRING THAT EVENT AROUND EVERY YEAR, ALONG WITH THEIR SPRING FLEE.
AND IT'S JUST GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE COME OUT AND ENJOY THEMSELVES.
SO I, UH, AND, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING BOTH OF YOU IN MY ABSENCE.
MR. MAYOR, I, I THOUGHT, THOUGHT IT'S BETTER FOR ME TO COMPLETE A SENTENCE THAT I STARTED.
THAT MEANS I CAN'T READ TODAY VERY WELL.
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I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT.I'M SORRY THAT I COULD NOT ATTEND ALAND, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, EVENTS.
I HAD THE FULL INTENTION, BUT I CAME OUT AND I SAW IT'S PRETTY BRIGHT, TOO BRIGHT.
NOW AGAIN, IN COMPLETE SENTENCE, I HAD A LITTLE EYE PROCEDURE.
I THINK THAT THE WAY I WOULD SAVE LOTS OF MONEY MOVING FORWARD FROM PRESCRIPTION GLASSES.
SO I CAN SEE MUCH BETTER TODAY THAN YESTERDAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT THAT NEXT WEEK MY EYE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN TODAY, SO I WOULD BE ABLE TO READ MORE.
WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON SUCCESSFUL SURGERY, MR. TRU.
UM, I ASSUME THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY ORIGINAL HILLS BECAUSE I ATTENDED, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MELINDA AND I TO ATTEND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OF COLLIN COUNTY GALA.
UM, AND WE HAD QUITE A, QUITE A, IT WAS QUITE A TURNOUT, UH, FOR THE EVENT.
AND WE HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE FROM THE RICHARDSON AREA THAT ATTENDED AS WELL.
AND I KNOW THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE SUPPORTED BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SUPPORTED BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND JUST, UM, GREAT EVENT AND GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT AND, UM, BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME TRYING TO ERASE FUNDS FOR A VERY, VERY WORTHY CAUSE.
WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SHARE ONE EVENT.
UM, WE GO TO A LOT OF EVENTS AND COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE AND I WERE AT AN EVENT TOGETHER AND WE WERE CHALLENGED, CHALLENGED BY THE EX
HIM AND HIS MAYOR, PRO TIM, MR. KEVIN PITTS CHALLENGED THE GOOD LADY AND MYSELF TO A GAME OF CORNELL AND THEY WON THE FIRST GAME.
I WASN'T, SO WE BOTH PLAYED PRETTY WELL THE SECOND GAME, AND WE WON.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE BEST TWO OUT OF THREE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE LOST, AND I'LL TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT LOSS, BUT JUSTICE WAS STILL QUITE SUCCESSFUL WITH HER TOSSES.
AND SO I HAD TO, UH, WALK THE, UH, LINE OF SHAME, I GUESS, AND GIVE MR. MORGAN AND MR. PITTS RECOGNITION.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
WE ARE THROUGH IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 5 5 1 0.0 8, 7 1, AND TWO OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, US 75 GATLAND PARKWAY AREA.[RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION ]
WILL, WILL NOW RECONVENE SESSION AND TAKE ANY ACTION AS A RESULT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.SO I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
MR. SHA, SIR, I THINK I CAN READ THIS BIG FONT.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION, UH, AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, A DEMAND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY WITH PROJECT CORNERSTONE, INCLUDING ANY AMENDMENTS, ARE INSTRUMENTS RELATED THERETO.
GOT A MOTION? MR. JUSTICE? GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE HANDS PLEASE.
THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY.
THIS MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL IS NOW ADJOURNED AT 9:06 PM THANK YOU.