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          GOOD EVENING. 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
CALL THIS MEETING AND THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM FIRST ON THE AGENDA, UH, AGENDA 
          [A. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM]
IS ITEM A. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          WE DID RECEIVE ONE CARD IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE FROM, UH, MR. ANTHONY RICE 1505 CREEKSIDE DRIVE REGARDING ORDINANCE 42 65 ZONING FILE 1818. 
          UM, I WANT TO, UH, MAKE NOTE FOR MR. RICE THAT HIS COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW. 
          HE SPEAKING, I'M SORRY, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO AMY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS. 
          IS MR. RICE HERE? UH, MR. RICE INDICATED HE WAS SPEAKING ANTHONY RICE. 
          I DIDN'T SEE HIM, THAT'S WHY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE, YEAH, THERE WERE NO OTHER, NO OTHER CARDS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE ONE ADJUSTMENT ON TONIGHT'S SCHEDULE. 
          WE'RE GONNA FLIP FLOP, UH, ITEM B AND ITEM C, AND SO WE'LL GO TO ITEM C 
          [C. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN UPDATE]
REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN UPDATE MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, FIRST I WANT TO, UH, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, ERIC, ERIC ROBESON, OUR, UH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES HERE, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, SCOTT PASTOR KN WITH BURNS MCDONALD. 
          SCOTT'S GONNA TAKE THE PODIUM, UH, HERE JUST IN A SECOND AND LEAD US THROUGH THE BRIEFING. 
          WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING BACK TO YOU, UM, THE, UH, RESULTS OF OUR PUBLIC INPUT AND ENGAGEMENT, UH, ON THE SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN. 
          UH, AS SCOTT WILL MENTION TO YOU, NOT, PROBABLY NOT SURPRISING ANYBODY, UM, A LOT OF INTEREST FROM THE COMMUNITY, ALMOST 5,000 RESPONSES, UH, TO, UH, TO THE SURVEY, WHICH IS, UH, IT'S GOTTA BE SOME KIND OF RECORD. 
          I CAN REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE DID A RECYCLING SURVEY AND HAD ABOUT 3000 RESPONSES. 
          AND SO WE'RE REALLY PLEASED WITH, UH, WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED. 
          SCOTT'S GONNA RUN THROUGH, UH, I WOULD CALL THIS AN INTERIM UPDATE FOR YOU, AND AT THE END, WE'RE GONNA BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT ASKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE, UH, FROM YOU ABOUT, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, ASSESS A NUMBER OF, UH, POTENTIAL STRATEGIES MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND SO, UH, SCOTT, TO YOU AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM, UH, JUST WANT TO REALLY THANK YOU FOR, UH, MANAGING OUR, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO WELL TO THIS POINT. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO KIND OF SHARE THE DETAILS OF WHAT YOU FOUND. 
          ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GREAT. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INTRODUCTION AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. 
          CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE PHILIP KRAMER, WHO'S ON, ON MY TEAM AND DOES A GREAT JOB WORKING ON THIS SOLID WASTE PLANNING EFFORT FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          SO DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU ASK ANY REALLY TOUGH QUESTIONS, PHILIP MAY, UH, MAY COME UP HERE AS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN AS, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, I I DO WANNA REALLY CONGRATULATE THE, YOUR CITY RESIDENTS ON THEIR RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY. 
          WE'LL HAVE A SLIDE ABOUT THAT IN, IN A FEW MOMENTS. 
          BUT TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAD FOR REALLY THE SAME TYPE OF PROJECT, THE SAME NUMBER OF RESPONSES TO A VERY SIMILAR SURVEY THAT WE ADMINISTERED FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          AND SO WE JUST, WHEN YOU KEEP IN MIND THE, THE DIFFERENCES IN SIZE OF THE TWO CITIES TO HAVE THAT MUCH INTEREST IN YOUR SOLID WASTE ISSUES HERE IN, IN RICHARDSON WAS, WAS REALLY, UH, VERY IMPRESSIVE AND REFLECTIVE OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY HERE IN, IN RICHARDSON. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND JUMP INTO THE, THE PRESENTATION TO, TO PROVIDE AN, AN UPDATE ON, ON THE SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN. 
          SO THE, THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON, ON KEY ISSUES SUCH AS THE PURPOSE OF, OF THE PLAN, THE OVERALL PLANNING PROCESS AS WE JUST REFERENCED, STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, UH, GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME KEY, SOME KEY FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT WE BRIEFLY WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. 
          BUT WHERE WE WANNA SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME WITH YOU THIS EVENING IS ON A REVIEW OF, OF SEVERAL, UH, KEY, UH, SERVICE DELIVERY ISSUES. 
          AND, AND THE FIRST OF THOSE IS GOING TO BE, UH, THE MANNER IN WHICH RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND RECYCLING SERVICES ARE PROVIDED. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE A FEW OTHER TOPICS AS, AS WELL. 
          BUT FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, THE FORMAT OF OF THE CONTENT IS, IS LAID OUT THE SAME, WHERE WE WANT TO FIRST, UH, COMMUNICATE SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS FROM THE SURVEY, UH, THAT WAS JUST REFERENCED. 
          AND THEN WE WANT TO COMPARE HOW RICHARD IS RICHARDSON IS DOING COMPARED TO INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES. 
          AND THEN WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES RICHARDSON UNIQUE, UH, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME KEY CONSIDERATIONS THERE, UH, SOME CONSTRAINTS, UH, THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THAT NEED TO BE FACTORED INTO ANY DECISION MAKING PROCESS. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL PRESENT A COMBINATION OF, OF EITHER PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AND OR POTENTIAL OPTIONS TO BE EVALUATED. 
          SO IF WHEN WE PRESENT SOMETHING AS A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION THAT REFLECTS OUR INDUSTRY, UH, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER. 
          AND THAT'S COMPARED AGAINST, UH, VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO AT LEAST BE AWARE OF. 
          BUT FOR ANYTHING THAT THAT IS AN OPTION, UH, WE'RE NOT STATING THAT AS, AS ANY TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION, JUST ONLY 
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THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE FUR FURTHER EVALUATED AS A PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          BUT WHETHER THAT ULTIMATELY BECOMES A RECOMMENDATION OR NOT WILL BE SUBJECT TO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH STEADY STAFF AND, AND DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. 
          AND SO WHERE WE'D LIKE TO CLOSE, UH, IS TO ASK FOR YOUR SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON THE DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT WE WILL TALK WITH YOU ALL ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          SO, SO THIS SLIDE HERE GIVES YOU AN UPDATE OF, OF THE PURPOSE OF, OF THE PRESENTATION WHERE WE WANNA PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE'VE EVALUATED, UH, TO THIS POINT. 
          UM, AGAIN, RE REQUEST YOUR CONFIRMATION OF THOSE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN FURTHER DIRECTION ON THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE TO, UH, LOOK AT, UM, HOW DO THOSE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR OPTIONS FIT INTO THE OVERALL PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE WILL BE COMING BACK, UH, TO THE COUNCIL, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, WITH UPDATES, UH, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. 
          UH, SO THIS SLIDE HERE GIVES YOU A SENSE OF SOME OF THE KEY PURPOSES, UH, THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED DURING THE, THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO WE WANNA, WE'VE REALLY TAKEN A, A VERY IN-DEPTH EVALUATION OF YOUR, OF YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM, IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF YOUR DIRECTION OR DECISIONS ARE TO KEEP YOUR, YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE OPERATING THOSE IN A MANNER THAT'S CONSISTENT, UH, WITH INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES, AS WELL AS IN A WAY THAT THAT IS SAFE AND HEALTHY FOR, UH, YOUR CITY EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS RESIDENTS HERE IN THE CITY. 
          UH, WE ALSO WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BOTH SHORT AND LONG TERM CONSIDERATIONS. 
          UH, THERE MAY BE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED RIGHT AWAY, WHEREAS OTHER ISSUES, UH, MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE OVER A LONGER TERM BASIS. 
          THIS IS A A 20 YEAR PLAN. 
          UH, SO THERE MAY BE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO DO NOW, BUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS, IT'S GREAT IF YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT THAT REFERENCES, UH, THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO TO IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF YOUR CURRENT OPERATIONS AND THEN LOOK AT, UH, DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, UH, THAT CAN BE EVALUATED OVER THE COURSE OF THE ENTIRE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO THIS IS A SLIDE, UH, THAT WE DID PRESENT, UH, WHEN WE MET WITH YOU ALL BACK IN, IN DECEMBER. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WAS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. 
          UH, BUT AT THAT POINT WE WERE JUST BEGINNING THE JOURNEY OF DEVELOPING THE, THE PLAN. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THAT TIMEFRAME IS, IS A VERY IN-DEPTH EVALUATION OF, OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM ACROSS ALL DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF, OF THE OPERATIONS. 
          AND WHERE WE ARE NOW IS, IS IN THAT SECOND STAGE OF, OF DEVELOPING STRATEGIES AND, AND OPTIONS TO WHERE WE HAVE COLLABORATED WITH CITY STAFF. 
          AND WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU ALL SOME OF THE KEY PLAN OBJECTIVES AND GOALS IN IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          I THINK THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO BASE THAT OFF OF WHAT WAS IN, UH, THE EVALUATION OF THE, OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM. 
          AND WHERE WE ARE NOW IS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVES, UM, IN OUR STARTING THE, THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING THOSE OPTIONS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, IS TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE AND TO GET, UH, FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP, UM, DRIVE WHAT THE FUTURE STRATEGIES WILL BE, UH, TO BE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO FROM HERE, UH, WE'LL WORK, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF, AND AGAIN, COME BACK WITH COUNSEL TO DETERMINE THE PREFERRED STRATEGIES AND, AND OPTIONS. 
          ULTIMATELY, THAT WILL GO INTO THE 20 YEAR, UH, IMPLEMENTATION AND, AND FUNDING PLAN. 
          UH, THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE A SCHEDULE OF WHEN, UH, VARIOUS ITEMS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED OVER THE COURSE OF, OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS. 
          SO THERE WAS A, A REFERENCE, UM, A COUPLE MINUTES AGO TO THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          SO THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU, UH, SOME PERSPECTIVES HERE. 
          I I DO WANT TO THANK EACH ONE OF YOU ALL, UH, FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. 
          WHEN WE HAD OUR ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS WITH WITH EACH OF YOU. 
          THEY WERE, UH, VERY INFORMATIVE AND VERY USEFUL IN TERMS OF SHAPING THE DIRECTION OF KEY CONTENT THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT. 
          UH, INCLUDING I THINK YOU'LL RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE, UH, ISSUES THAT YOU ALL IDENTIFIED WERE INCLUDED AS, UH, SURVEY QUESTIONS THAT WILL REPORT BACK ON ON THE FINDINGS, UH, TONIGHT AS WELL. 
          UH, SO WE, WE REFERENCED EARLIER THE, THE SURVEY, UH, WHERE WE HAD A GREAT RESPONSE TO THAT. 
          WE DID, UH, MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY AND, AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. 
          UH, AS IS VERY TYPICAL WITH THESE TYPES OF SURVEYS. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY SECTOR, BUT WE DID HAVE SOME MEANINGFUL RESPONSES FROM RESIDENTS LIVING IN APARTMENTS AS WELL AS BUSINESSES. 
          AND THEN WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE, AND THIS IS A, A PHOTO FROM THAT OPEN HOUSE, UH, IN OCTOBER. 
          UH, WE HAD 17 PEOPLE THERE, SO IT WASN'T A HUGE NUMBER, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE WERE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN THE TOPIC AND, AND HAD A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSIONS, UH, THAT EVENING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT YOU ALL DO HAVE, 
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UM, AS A HANDOUT THE MORE DETAILED VERSION OF, OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          SO WHAT'S SHOWN ON ON THIS NEXT SLIDE IS JUST THAT INFORMATION ON A, ON A SUMMARIZED BASIS. 
          UH, SO LIKE I SAID, A A FEW MINUTES AGO, UH, AFTER WE DID THE EVALUATION OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM AND, AND WALKED THROUGH THAT WITH CITY STAFF, WE THEN, UH, REALLY THOUGHT WHAT WOULD BE MOST MEANINGFUL TO DEVELOP AS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, FOR THIS PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND WHAT REALLY RESONATED, UH, WITH US AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU ALL IS THAT STAFF THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, WE CONCURRED, UH, THAT THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH AND SHAPED BY THE GOALS OF, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, KEY GUIDANCE FROM FROM CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I WON'T GO THROUGH, UH, EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY, UH, AS YOU HAVE THEM, AS, AS A PART OF YOUR, UH, HANDOUT THERE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, ARE GONNA BE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ULTIMATELY BECOME A PART OF THE PLAN THAT THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THIS CONTENT. 
          SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE, OF THE DIFFERENT TOPICS, WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN, AN UPDATE ON SOME KEY FINANCIAL, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE THINK IS IM, IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, BASED ON THE ISSUES THAT WE'LL TALK THROUGH WITH YOU THIS EVENING. 
          UH, THE FIRST FIRST ONE THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS IS, UM, YOUR COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES AND ALSO YOUR, YOUR FLEET, JUST BECAUSE THESE MAKE UP A VERY SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE OVERALL SOLID WASTE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND ESPECIALLY HAVING YOUR RESIDENTIAL SYSTEM BEING SO HEAVILY FOCUSED ON, UH, A MANUAL TYPE OF A COLLECTION SYSTEM, UH, ON AN OVERALL, UM, BASIS, YOU'RE SPENDING ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR FOR YOUR PEOPLE AND, AND YOUR EQUIPMENT. 
          AND SO WE THINK THAT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          UH, WITH REGARD TO FUTURE DECISIONS, UH, THAT ARE MADE. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO TO RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL, I THINK, VERY AWARE OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FROM AN INFLATIONARY PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND TWO OF THE BIGGEST DRIVERS, UH, IN THAT REGARD, UH, WITHIN THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY ARE THE, THE COST OF, OF PEOPLE IN TERMS OF SALARIES INCREASING, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE COST OF, OF EQUIPMENT WHERE, UH, THESE TRUCKS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST OF COST, UH, SAY 200 TO $300,000, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOW SQUARELY IN THAT 350 TO $450,000 RANGE. 
          AND OUR GENERAL EXPECTATION IS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE, UH, COST FOR THAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT AND, AND PEOPLE CONTINUE TO, TO INCREASE. 
          UM, THIS IS INFORMATION THAT WE DID SHARE WITH YOU ALL WHEN WE MET INDIVIDUALLY WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE COSTS ARE, UH, FOR YOUR, YOUR CURRENT OPERATIONS. 
          AND SO YOUR RESIDENTIAL COST OF SERVICE IN, IN FISCAL YEAR 2025 IS JUST A LITTLE OVER $32 PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH. 
          UH, BUT THE RATE THAT THAT IS BEING CHARGED TO YOUR RESIDENTS IS JUST OVER $25 PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH. 
          AND THE REASON WHY THE, THE CITY IS ABLE TO, TO MAKE THIS, UH, OCCUR AND, AND, AND FOR THAT TO BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE IS THAT YOU HAVE A, A VERY SUCCESSFUL AND, AND OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT COMMERCIAL OPERATION. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS THAT, UM, OVER ON THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT, RIGHT GRAPH IS COMMUNICATING THAT YOU HAVE AN AN UNDER RECOVERY ON, ON YOUR RESIDENTIAL OPERATION OF A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION PER YEAR. 
          UH, BUT THAT IS MADE UP FOR, UH, AND THEN SOME BASED ON THE, THE FINANCIAL SUCCESS OF YOUR COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS BETWEEN YOUR, YOUR FRONT LOAD OR YOUR DUMPSTER OPERATION AS, AS WELL AS THE, THE ROLL OFFS, WHICH ARE MORE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, TYPES OF, OF SERVICES. 
          AND WE THOUGHT THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT TO SHARE TODAY BECAUSE OF ONE OF YOUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, THAT FOCUSES ON PROVIDING CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT FINANCIAL REPORTS AND, AND INFORMATION. 
          SO, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS, THAT, THAT CONTINUED AWARENESS OF THIS. 
          AND AS YOUR COST OF PROVIDING RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION IS, IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE BASED ON THE INFORMATION ON, ON THE PRIOR SLIDE. 
          THAT'S JUST KEY INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL AS, AS THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE A, AN AWARENESS OF, UH, ONE QUESTION YOU MAY BE WONDERING ABOUT IS IF THE CITY IS, HOW'S THE CITY ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REVENUE, UH, THROUGH THE, THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES? AND DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOUR RATES FOR COMMERCIAL ARE MAYBE HIGHER THAN, THAN WHAT THEY NEED TO BE? AND SO, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION THAT, UH, THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ASKED US. 
          AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, PUT TOGETHER THIS SLIDE THAT REFLECTS SOME KEY BENCHMARKING, UH, INFORMATION. 
          AND, AND WE'RE 
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VERY PLEASED TO REPORT BACK THAT EVEN THOUGH, UH, YOU'RE ABLE TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, IT'S AT A VERY COST EFFECTIVE, UH, PRICING. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS SHOWS AND, AND RICHARDSON IS THE CITY ON, ON THE FAR LEFT, UM, YOUR PRICING FOR COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER SERVICES IS THE SECOND LOWEST OF, UH, SEVERAL CITIES HERE IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH REGION. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN INDICATION OF WHAT WILL SHOW LATER THAT YOU DO HAVE A, A VERY OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT COMMERCIAL, UH, SOLID WAGE PROGRAM. 
          SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS, IS TO TALK ABOUT THE REVIEW OF THE KEY SERVICE, UH, DELIVERY ISSUES. 
          AND SO HERE WE, THIS IDENTIFIES, UH, WHAT EACH OF THESE FIVE, UH, TOPICS ARE. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA GET RIGHT INTO WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLY MOST INTERESTED IN, IN HEARING MORE ABOUT, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND, AND RECYCLING COLLECTION. 
          AND AS I SAID AT AT THE BEGINNING OF, OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH IF KEY INFORMATION ON, ON SURVEY RESULTS, UH, COMPARE HOW RICHARDSON DOES, UM, IN THOSE OPERATIONS AGAINST INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES. 
          BUT THEN I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES THE CITY OF RICHARDSON UNIQUE, UH, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE WAY IN WHICH YOU PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INHERENT CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THAT WILL INFORM WHAT THOSE FUTURE OPTIONS WILL BE. 
          AND THEN WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THOSE OPTIONS, UH, COULD BE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'LL BE THE FORMAT FOR EACH, EACH ONE OF THESE, THESE TOPICS. 
          UH, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATED THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD WITH EACH ONE OF YOU ALL DURING THOSE, THOSE ONE-ON-ONE, UH, INTERVIEWS. 
          UM, AND SO WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT NOT ONLY WHAT, WHAT YOUR INTEREST IS, BUT I THINK JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, WHAT ARE THE RESIDENT'S INTERESTS AND ISSUES SUCH AS, UH, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, REDUCING THE FREQUENCY OF RESIDENTIAL TRASH COLLECTION FROM, UH, TWICE A WEEK TO, TO ONCE PER WEEK. 
          AND SO, UH, VERY DISINTERESTED IS, IS THE YELLOW, WHICH CAME IN AT I THINK THAT 61%, SOMEWHAT DISINTERESTED 14%. 
          SO AT LEAST 75% OF YOUR RESIDENTS SAID THEY DID NOT WANNA MAKE A CHANGE AWAY FROM TWICE PER WEEK COLLECTION. 
          NOW, WHEN IT CAME TO THE QUESTION OF THEIR INTEREST IN CART BASED SERVICES, UH, IT WAS A, A MUCH MORE OF A MIXED RESULT TO WHERE IT WASN'T EXACTLY EVEN, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY MORE BALANCED, UH, IN TERMS OF THE INTEREST IN EITHER GOING TO CARTS OR, OR STAYING WITH THE CURRENT BAGGED COLLECTION SYSTEM. 
          SO BASED ON THAT, WE WANTED TO DIVE INTO THAT, THAT TOPIC A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH IN TERMS OF, DOES THAT ANSWER ANSWER VARY IN TERMS OF INTEREST IN CARTS OR STAYING WITH BAGS BASED ON, ON PEOPLE'S AGES? SO WHAT THIS SHOWS IS, UM, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS, UH, YOUNGER FROM UNDER 18 THAN 18 TO 25, UH, 26 TO 35, SO FORTH AND, AND SO ON. 
          AND THEN BELOW THAT IT SHOWS HOW MANY RESPONSES, UH, THAT THERE ARE BASED ON EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS. 
          AND SO, UM, THE BLUE COLOR, UH, THE LIGHT BLUE REPRESENTS, UH, PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN IN CARTS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WITH THE YOUNGER D DEMOGRAPHICS, THERE'S A GREATER INTEREST IN CARTS, UH, BUT AS, AS PEOPLE GET OLDER, UM, AS SHOWN BY BY THE YELLOW, UH, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL START TO SEE A MUCH GREATER, UH, RESPONSES AND IN TERMS OF BEING DISINTERESTED IN, IN THE ISSUE OF CARTS. 
          AND SO WHAT, WHAT THIS IS TELLING, TELLING US IS THAT, UM, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR, OF YOUR POPULATION THAT IS DISINTERESTED IN, IN CARTS, BUT AS, UH, THE POPULATION CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND YOUNGER, UH, GENERATIONS CONTINUE TO AGE, YOU MAY SEE A CHANGE IN, IN PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN CARTS, UH, OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE SLIDE, UM, THAT COMMUNICATES HOW YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM COMPARES TO INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES. 
          AND WE WANTED TO SHOW THIS, UM, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE'VE GOTTEN INTO, UH, FOR THE EVALUATION OF, OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, BUT, BUT SOME OF THE KEY HIGHLIGHTS ARE THAT HERE IN, IN RICHARDSON YOU ARE PROVIDING A, A BAG COLLECTION SYSTEM ON A, ON A TWICE A WEEK, UH, BASIS UTILIZING REAR LOAD, UH, VEHICLES AND, AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE, UH, WORKING ON, ON THE TRUCKS. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, UH, FROM AN INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE OVER THE PAST 20 TO 30 YEARS IS A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES HAVE GONE AWAY FROM THAT TYPE OF A SYSTEM AND MORE TOWARD 
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A ONCE A WEEK CART BASED SYSTEM UTILIZING, UH, TRUCKS THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY COLLECT, UH, THE MATERIAL UTILIZING, UTILIZING CARTS. 
          SO THAT, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE RIGHT ANSWER HERE IN RICHARDSON, BUT THAT THAT HAS BEEN A, A STRONG TREND IN THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY, UH, OVER, OVER THE LAST 20 TO TO 30 YEARS. 
          UM, SOME OTHER KEY DIFFERENCES ARE, UM, MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES WILL PROVIDE THE SERVICE JUST AT, AT THE FRONT CURB, BUT AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT, THAT'S A REAL CHALLENGE HERE IN RICHARDSON BECAUSE OF YOUR NARROW ALLEYS AND LACK OF ACCESS AT THE CURB, UM, YOU ALL STILL OPERATE UNDER WHAT'S CALLED A, A TASK INCENTIVE PROGRAM. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE MANUAL NATURE OF, OF SOLID WASTE COLLECTION SERVICES, UH, ONCE YOUR CREWS COMPLETE THEIR ROUTES, THEY'RE ABLE TO TO GO HOME FOR THE DAY. 
          SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. 
          AND THEN, UM, CITY OF RICHARDSON DOES HAVE A GREATER RELIANCE ON TEMPORARY LABOR, UH, THAN A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE TEMPORARY LABOR HAVE, UH, SOME SIMILAR CHALLENGES THAT, THAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING HERE IN RICHARDSON AS AS WELL. 
          THIS IS A, A SIMILAR SLIDE, BUT RATHER THAN FOCUSED ON, ON RESIDENTIAL TRASH, THIS ONE NOW COMMUNICATES FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING. 
          SO SIMILAR ISSUES AS AS FAR AS BAGGED VERSUS CARTS, UH, BUT YOU ARE AT A, AT A COLLECTION FREQUENCY OF, OF ONCE A WEEK, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDED BEST PRACTICE IN TERMS OF THE MATERIAL QUANTITIES. 
          UM, ACTUALLY FOR A BAG PROGRAM, WE THINK YOU'RE DOING PRETTY WELL. 
          YOU COULD LIKELY INCREASE YOUR RECYCLING QUANTITIES WITH A CARD-BASED SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, YOUR, YOUR WORK WEEK, UM, IS SUCH THAT, UM, YOU DO HAVE TO UTILIZE OVERTIME FROM, FROM TIME TO TIME, WHICH IS A FUNCTION OF, UH, YOUR TYPE, TYPE OF COLLECTION SYSTEM. 
          AND THEN FROM A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, UH, YOU ARE SHARING THE SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITIES WITH, WITH BAIK. 
          AND SO THAT'LL BE ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS, IS TO PROVIDE A ADDITIONAL MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES THERE. 
          SO I, I REFERENCED THIS SLIDE, UH, A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE IS, IS WHAT MAKES RICHARDSON UNIQUE. 
          UM, AND, AND SO I, I THINK WHAT REALLY IS IS CLEAR TO US BASED ON OUR ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ALL AS, AS WELL AS THE, THE SURVEYS SURVEY IS THAT THERE IS DEFINITELY AN EXPECTATION OF A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT, THAT ALSO MEANS THAT WE'VE GOTTA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONSTRAINTS ARE THAT ARE FACING, UH, THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          AND SO MUCH OF THIS IS, UM, PRESENTED IN THE FORM OF THE, THE NARROW ALLEYS, UM, AND, UH, LACK OF, OF ACCESS TO, TO THE CURB CURBSIDE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND SO WE LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF HOW, HOW CAN SOLID WASTE SERVICES BE PROVIDED IN THAT TYPE OF AN OPERATING ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND WHAT IT TELLS US IS THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING, UH, TO MAKE A CHANGE TO AUTOMATED SIDE LOADERS HERE IN, IN RICHARDSON. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THAT IS, AS WE SHOWED ON THE PRIOR SLIDE, AN INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICE, IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE REALLY SEE AS BEING VERY VIABLE, UH, HERE IN IN THE CITY OF, OF RICHARDSON. 
          SO THIS SLIDE HERE GOES THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL IN, IN COMMUNICATING, UH, WHY NARROW ALLEYS MAY BE UNABLE TO ACCOMMODATE CART BASED COLLECTIONS. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ONLY THE, THE NARROWNESS OF THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF WHERE CARTS, UH, CAN BE PLACED. 
          THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME SITUATIONS WHERE, WHERE THE CARTS CAN BE PLACED IN THE ALLEY, HOWEVER, UH, THERE MAY BE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE IT IS, UH, PHYSICALLY, UH, IMPRACTICAL TO, TO BE ABLE TO LOOK TO PLACE A, A CART IN YOUR ALLEY. 
          SO YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE MORE OF A HYBRID TYPE OF A, OF A SYSTEM, MEANING THAT SOME RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE A CART, UM, IN THE ALLEY, WHEREAS OTHERS WOULD WOULD BE OUT THERE AT, AT THE CURB. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS JUST OUR, OUR ASSESSMENT, UM, OF, OF THAT SITUATION. 
          AND FROM THERE WE WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER KEY CHALLENGES HERE IN, IN, IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          SO I REFERENCED A FEW MINUTES AGO HAVING A, A TASK BASED SYSTEM. 
          UM, SO IN THE PAST WHEN SO MANY OTHER CITIES OFFERED, UH, A MANUAL BASED TWICE A WEEK COLLECTION SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, IS VERY MUCH THE NORM TO HAVE A TASK-BASED INCENTIVE TYPE SYSTEM AS YOU STILL HAVE IN, IN RICHARDSON. 
          SO THAT YOU WOULD SAY TO YOUR CREWS, HEY, HERE'S, HERE'S YOUR ROUTE, ONCE YOU'RE DONE, YOU CAN GO HOME FOR THE DAY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT MEANS THAT, THAT YOUR CREWS 
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ARE, ARE COMPENSATED BASED ON COMPLETING THE JOB RATHER THAN THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT, THAT THEY, THAT THEY WORK. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THIS AND, UM, IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT TO COME AND THROW TRASH, YOU KNOW, DAY IN AND AND DAY OUT. 
          UH, BUT THERE CAN BE A, A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES, UH, FROM A, MAINLY FROM A, A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. 
          'CAUSE NOW YOUR, YOUR WORKERS ARE INCENTIVIZED TO GET THEIR ROUTE DONE AS, AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN. 
          AND SO FROM TIME TO TIME, THAT COULD LEAD TO SITUATIONS WHERE MAYBE THEY'RE, UH, GOING A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN, THAN MAYBE THEY SHOULD OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN ANOTHER KEY ISSUE IS THAT IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE LEVELS OF EFFORTS ARE THAT ARE EXPECTED BETWEEN, UH, YOUR DIFFERENT COLLECTION SYSTEMS FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL OPERATIONS BETWEEN, UH, TRASH RECYCLING AND, AND BAIC. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN, UM, IN THIS TABLE ON, ON THIS SLIDE. 
          SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS HOW MANY HOURS PER DAY ON AVERAGE IS, IS BEING WORKED. 
          SO, SO ON THE TRASH SIDE, IT'S, IT'S JUST SHORT OF, OF 24 HOURS PER WEEK. 
          UH, SO THAT MEANS THERE'S ABOUT A 40% AMOUNT OF THE TIME THAT, THAT YOUR, UH, STAFF ARE, ARE, ARE NOT UTILIZED. 
          WHEREAS FOR RECYCLING, UH, THAT PERCENTAGE, UH, AND NUMBER OF HOURS IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER WHERE THEY'RE WORKING CLOSER TO ABOUT 32 HOURS OR, OR, OR, UM, ONLY ABOUT 20% OF THE WORK WEEK IS, IS WHERE THEY'RE NOT BEING UTILIZED. 
          AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR FOR, FOR BAIK. 
          AND SO THIS WILL BE ONE OF OUR, UH, PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO HAVE IT SO THAT THE EXPECTATIONS ACROSS YOUR DIFFERENT OPERATIONS ARE MORE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH EACH OTHER. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE THE OPTIONS TO, TO EVALUATE, UH, WE DO WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES OF A PERSPECTIVE, UM, ON COUNCIL AS WELL AS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT DIRECTION YOU MAY WANT TO GO OR NOT GO IN TERMS OF HOW RESIDENTIAL SERVICES ARE ARE PROVIDED. 
          BUT WHAT WE THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT TO, TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THIS IS A, A 20 YEAR PLAN. 
          AND SO, UH, WHERE YOU ALL MAY SAY, HEY, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM FOR TODAY. 
          UM, THAT ANSWER MAY CHANGE, UM, OVER AT SOME POINT OVER THE COURSE OF, OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS. 
          AND IT COULD BE A, A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT, THAT DRIVE THAT RELATED TO THE AVAILABILITY OF, OF STAFF, UH, THE COST OF, OF LABOR AS WELL AS AS OTHER ISSUES. 
          SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO, UH, HOPEFULLY GIVE YOU THAT, THAT PERSPECTIVE, THAT WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU ALL, UH, PROVIDE TO US, THAT THIS IS A, A VERY LONG TERM PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND SO WHAT, WHAT'S SHOWN ON, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS WHAT WE WOULD, UH, REQUEST THAT, THAT YOU CONSIDER IN TERMS OF, UH, JUST PRELIMINARY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE IF YOU DECIDE TO, UH, KEEP THE CURRENT SYSTEM, THERE ARE CERTAIN ENHANCEMENTS, UH, THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, BRING YOUR OPERATIONS MORE IN LINE WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS. 
          SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU WOULD LOOK TO, UM, CONTINUE THE EXISTING SYSTEM. 
          SO IT WOULD STILL BE TWICE A WEEK WITH, WITH BAGS. 
          UH, BUT HERE WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE SOME BALANCING ACROSS THE DAYS OF THE WEEK, UM, OF HOW SERVICES ARE PROVIDED. 
          'CAUSE SOME DAYS ARE HEAVIER THAN OTHERS. 
          UM, TO MODIFY YOUR TASK AND INCENTIVE, UH, SYSTEM TO REPLACE YOUR, YOUR TEMPORARY STAFF WITH FULL, FULL-TIME, UH, CITY EMPLOYEES. 
          AND THEN RATHER THAN SPLITTING THE, THE WORK REQUIREMENTS OF A SUPERVISOR BETWEEN RECYCLING AND BAIC, TO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT'S DEDICATED TO RECYCLING AND ANOTHER PERSON DEDICATED TO BAIC, UH, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT WORKLOAD IS, IS THERE. 
          AND THEN FROM A, A LONGER TERM PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, UH, TO LOOK AT, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE OPERATIONAL AND FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS OF A CART BASED SYSTEM, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ALREADY THAT ARE HERE IN, IN RICHARDSON. 
          AND WE WILL LOOK AT THIS, UM, FOR TRASH ON, ON A ONCE A WEEK AND TWICE A WEEK BASIS. 
          AND THEN FOR RECYCLING ON A, ON A ONCE A WEEK BASIS AS WELL. 
          UH, SO WE RECOGNIZE, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITHIN YOUR EXISTING CONSTRAINTS, UH, THAT ARE HERE IN, IN RICHARDSON. 
          SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOUR TYPES OF TRUCKS WOULD, WOULD LARGELY REMAIN THE SAME IN TERMS OF BEING REAR LOADERS, UH, BUT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY USE A, A TIPPER, UH, TO PICK UP THOSE CARTS. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD HELP TO REDUCE SOME OF THE, THE MANUAL NATURE OF, OF THE COLLECTION SYSTEM. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY A, A PERFECT FIT 'CAUSE YOUR 
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CITY EMPLOYEES ARE STILL OUT THERE IN, IN THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, BUT THEY'RE AT LEAST NOT HAVING TO PICK UP, UH, AS MUCH AS 10,000 POUNDS OF, OF WASTE ON A DAY IN, DAY OUT TYPE OF BASIS. 
          UH, THIS WAS A SLIDE THAT, UH, WE DID PROVIDE AT THE OPEN HOUSE, JUST TO SUMMARIZE WHAT SOME OF THE, UH, REASONS WHY OTHER CITIES HAVE GONE TO A CART BASED COLLECTION SYSTEM. 
          AND SO AT THIS OPEN HOUSE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE CAPACITY OF, OF THE CARTS. 
          UM, WHEN CARTS ARE USED FOR RECYCLING, THIS REPRESENTS A A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WAY TO, TO INCREASE RECYCLING. 
          UH, THERE'S THAT BENEFIT TO CITY EMPLOYEES AND FOR, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIFT, UH, EACH DAY, UH, MAKES THE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN WHAT'S SET OUT FOR TRASH VERSUS RECYCLING MORE CLEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, MINIMIZES POTENTIAL FOR ANIMALS TO, TO GET INTO THE, THE WASTE. 
          AND THEN, UM, ALSO HELPS TO MANAGE EXCESS SPILLS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA NOW, UH, TRANSITION TO, TO BAIC. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, WE'LL JUST REMIND YOU ALL AND REQUEST THAT AFTER WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          SO WITH WITH BAIC, ONE OF THE KEY QUESTIONS WE ASKED HERE WAS, WAS HOW, HOW MANY BAIC REQUESTS DO YOU TYPICALLY MAKE PER YEAR? AND SO WHAT, WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT ABOUT 75% OR OR THREE QUARTERS OF, OF YOUR RESPONDENTS REPORTED MAKING A BABBITT REQUEST, UH, FOUR OR FEWER TIMES PER YEAR. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW, THIS, THIS IS A PROGRAM WHERE YOUR RESIDENTS CAN NOW ASK FOR AS MANY, UH, SERVICES AS, AS THEY WANT. 
          BUT JUST KNOWING THAT THREE OUT OF FOUR OF YOUR RESIDENTS ONLY NEED IT FOUR TIMES PER YEAR HAS SOME PRETTY, PRETTY MEANINGFUL DATA. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, A, A VERY SIMILAR FORMAT TO WHAT WE COMMUNICATED ON ON THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES, UM, AND WHERE IT COMPARES YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM HERE IN RICHARDSON TO INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES. 
          SO, UM, IN TERMS OF HAVING A, A CALL IN PROGRAM, UH, THIS IS A, AN APPROACH THAT WE THINK IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE, UH, EFFICIENT WAY TO, TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR CITY STAFF DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE THE ENTIRE CITY ON A WEEKEND, WEEK OUT TYPE BASIS. 
          THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. 
          SO FROM A BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE PERSPECTIVE, RICHARDSON IS, IS ALREADY THERE. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THAT, THAT ARE NOT, NOT IN PLACE HERE IN RICHARDSON, SUCH AS, UH, PROVIDING LIMITS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT A RESIDENT CAN MAKE THAT TYPE OF SERVICE REQUEST IN TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN A, A BASE FEE, AS WELL AS SOME LIMITS ON THE QUANTITIES OF MATERIALS THAT ARE SET OUT IN RICHARDSON. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO MULTIPLE AVENUES IN WHICH RESIDENTS CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST. 
          AND THEN, UH, REALLY AN EXPECTATION THAT THAT SERVICE BE PROVIDED WITHIN A, A DAY OR TWO, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE A MORE STREAMLINED APPROACH, UH, TO HOW TO REQUEST THOSE SERVICES. 
          AND THEN ALSO A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE JUST SO THAT THE, UH, CITY CREWS CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT IN, IN HOW THAT SERVICE IS PROVIDED. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT MAKES RICHARDSON, UH, UNIQUE IN, IN, IN THESE SERVICES? UM, SO YOU'RE, THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE IS, IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO I THINK ON ONE HAND IT'S, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR, FOR YOUR CITY RESIDENTS. 
          AND, AND ON THE NEXT SLIDES COMMUNICATE THAT THIS IS VERY MUCH A, A CHERISHED PROGRAM HERE IN, IN RICHARDSON. 
          BUT HAVING THAT, THAT HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE DOES PLACE A STRAIN ON CITY STAFF AND, AND YOUR, YOUR, UH, CITY EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, AND SO SOME OF THE, THE KEY ISSUES TO ADDRESS THERE IS SIMILAR TO RECYCLING, YOU HAVE THE SAME PERSON THAT'S MANAGING BOTH RECYCLING AND, AND BAIC. 
          AND WE THINK THE CITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING A PERSON DEDICATED TO EACH OF THOSE OPERATIONS AND THEN NOT HAVING SET OUT LIMITS, UM, AS WELL AS UNLIMITED NUMBER OF SET OUTS, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF ADDS TO THOSE OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES. 
          UM, THIS IS A, A SYSTEM WHERE YOU CAN FACE PEAK DEMANDS, UH, DURING VARIOUS TIMES OF THE YEAR. 
          SO THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO OVERTIME. 
          AND THEN I THINK ANOTHER KEY ISSUE IS JUST RESIDENTS NOT KNOWING WHAT CAN, OR WHAT SHOULD THEY SET OUT WITH, WITH BAIC. 
          UM, SO SOMETIMES SOMEBODY MAY HAVE A, A RELATIVELY SMALL SET OUT THAT THEY, UH, REQUEST AS, AS A BAIC SET OUT THAT COULD, COULD VERY EASILY BE, UH, COLLECTED AS PART OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL 
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TRASH OPERATION. 
          AND THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU JUST RECOGNIZE THAT THE BAIC OPERATOR MAY NEED TO MAKE A, A SPECIAL TRIP, AND THAT MAY BE THE ONLY HOUSE ON, ON THAT STREET. 
          AND SO IF THAT'S MATERIAL THAT COULD BE EASILY PICKED UP, UH, BY THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, TRASH TRUCK, THAT JUST CAN MAKE FOR THAT MUCH MORE OF AN EFFICIENT OPERATION. 
          SO, UH, DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON, ON RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND RECYCLING. 
          HERE WE ARE MAKING, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND SO THE REASON FOR THIS IS, UH, LIKE I SAID A MOMENT AGO, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT BAIK IS, IS VERY BELOVED, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN BOTH RESIDENTS, COUNCIL CITY STAFF HAVE SAID, WE DON'T REALLY WANNA MAKE A CHANGE ON, ON BAIK. 
          SO WE, WE DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UH, BUT WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR, FOR VARIOUS ENHANCEMENTS, UH, TO YOUR CURRENT PROGRAM THAT WE THINK ARE NEEDED, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR THE LONG TERM SUCCESS AND, AND VIABILITY OF, OF BAIK. 
          UH, SO HERE, UH, WE THINK THERE WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO ADD WHAT WE WOULD CALL A A BRUSH TRUCK, UH, WHICH IS, UM, ADDITIONAL TRUCKS THAT CAN BE LOADED, UH, BY YOUR, YOUR OPERATOR, SO THAT THE OPERATOR CAN ACTUALLY STAY OUT THERE IN THE FIELD LONGER TO MAKE THAT OPERATION MORE EFFICIENT. 
          UH, LIKE WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, TO HAVE TO HAVE A BAIC SPECIFIC SUPERVISOR AND THEN TO INCREASE THE WINDOW OF TIME BETWEEN A REQUEST AND, AND A COLLECTION. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW, IT, IT'S ALMOST AS IF SOMEBODY COULD CALL IN LIKE RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, AT, AT SIX, SIX O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD BE COLLECTED TOMORROW OR, OR THE NEXT DAY. 
          AND JUST BY TAKING, UH, A MORE STRATEGIC APPROACH, YOU CAN MAKE THAT OPERATION MORE EFFICIENT SO THAT IF SOMEBODY MAKES THAT REQUEST, YOU COULD TELL THEM, UH, WHAT DAY, UH, THE COLLECTION WOULD BE, AND IT WOULD BE IN A, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, LIKE IN A WEEK OR A COUPLE WEEKS, BUT IT JUST MAY NOT BE THE, THE NEXT DAY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, OPERATE. 
          AND THEN TO INCREASE YOUR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH EFFORTS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WHAT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE, UH, TO SET OUT AS A PART OF A BABA OPERATION, GIVEN THAT YOU DO HAVE A TWICE A WEEK, UH, RESIDENTIAL TRASH PROGRAM, AND THEN, UH, MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL HIRES AS, AS WELL. 
          SO THE NEXT TOPIC TO, TO TALK ABOUT IS YOUR RECYCLING DROP OFF LOCATION. 
          UH, SO THIS ONE WAS, WAS PRETTY INTERESTING FROM A SURVEY PERSPECTIVE, UH, AS THE QUESTION ON THE LEFT ASKED, UM, IF PEOPLE WERE, WERE AWARE OF THE RECYCLING LOCATION, OF WHICH, UM, ALMOST ABOUT 58% OF YOUR RESIDENTS ARE AWARE THAT THE FACILITY EXISTS. 
          BUT OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHEN WE ASKED HOW OFTEN, UH, DO THEY USE THE RECYCLING DROP-OFF LOCATION, UH, THE, THE MOST COMMON ANSWER AT 67% WAS, WAS NEVER. 
          SO THEY KNOW YOU HAVE THE FACILITY, BUT, BUT YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, YOU KNOW, DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO USE, UH, THE DROP OFF LOCATION. 
          UH, SO A LITTLE BIT OF, OF COMPARISONS ABOUT THIS, THIS LOCATION, UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF, OF SECURITY, UH, IN PLACE IN TERMS OF, UM, ACCESS OR, OR CAMERAS. 
          UM, FROM AN ACCESSIBILITY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, UH, I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN, IN A MOMENT, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY CO-LOCATED AT A WATER UTILITY FACILITY. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, THERE'S, IT'S, IT WASN'T REALLY EVER DESIGNED FOR, ITS FOR ITS CURRENT USE, SO THERE'S NO REAL PARKING, UM, ACCESS TO IT IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING AS WELL. 
          AND THEN JUST FROM A SPACE PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A REAL LIMIT IN, IN HOW MANY CONTAINERS ARE, ARE LOCATED AT THAT SITE. 
          SO A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS, THEY CAN BE OVERFILLED AND THAT CAN LEAD TO ILLEGAL DUMPING. 
          UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF COMPOUNDED BY NOT HAVING STAFF, UH, AT THE LOCATION AS AS WELL. 
          SO IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT, UH, MAKES, MAKES THIS UNIQUE, IT IS, UH, CO-LOCATED AT, AT THE WEST SIDE PUMP STATION. 
          UM, LEFT HAND SIDE GIVES YOU A, A SENSE OF, UH, THE THREE, UH, RECYCLING CONTAINERS THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF, OF THAT, OF THAT PHOTO, UH, WHERE I THINK STAFF WAS JUST TRYING TO, UH, BE CREATIVE AND, AND PROVIDE A, A WORKABLE SOLUTION, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY, UH, MEANT TO, TO BE USED FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF OF OPERATION. 
          UM, AND SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPACE CONSTRAINTS AND ON THE PICTURE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE CAN LEAD FREQUENTLY TO, UM, MATERIAL BEING DUMPED ILLEGALLY. 
          UM, THIS ALSO 
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CREATES ISSUES FOR, FOR THE STAFF THAT, UH, SO THAT WHEN THEY GO THERE WITH THE EXPECTATION OR HOPE THAT ALL THEY'VE GOTTA DO IS JUST PULL THE CONTAINER, THEY SOMETIMES HAVE TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME JUST PICKING ALL THAT MATERIAL UP OFF, OFF THE GROUND, WHICH ALSO CAN BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, DANGEROUS IN THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT COULD BE IN SOME OF SOME OF THOSE CONTAINERS. 
          UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE, THE OPTIONS TO, TO EVALUATE, UH, WHAT WE WOULD, WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY TO, TO THINK ABOUT IS JUST ON A VERY TEMPORARY BASIS TO, TO STAFF THAT LOCATION. 
          AND WHEN THE STAFF PERSON IS THERE, I JUST HAVE A VERY BRIEF SURVEY THAT YOU ASK THE, THE USERS OF THE LOCATION, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF, UH, WHERE, WHERE DO THEY LIVE OR, OR WORK REALLY JUST TO UNDERSTAND ARE THEY EVEN A RICHARDSON RESIDENT OR, OR BUSINESS, UH, JUST TO GET SOME, SOME REALLY BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHO'S USING THE LOCATION AND, AND TO USE THAT INFORMATION TO THEN EVALUATE SOME OTHER LONG-TERM, UH, CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS IF THERE IS A, A DEMAND BY RICHARDSON BUSINESSES OR, OR RESIDENTS TO POTENTIALLY CONSTRUCT A NEW CENTRALLY LOCATED, UH, RECYCLING DROP-OFF LOCATION OR TO LOOK AT, UH, CONSTRUCTING MULTIPLE SMALLER LOCATIONS. 
          UH, OR ANOTHER OPTION COULD BE, UH, TO PERMANENTLY CLOSE, UH, THAT LOCATION, UH, AND INCREASE RESIDENCE ACCESS TO RECYCLING VIA OTHER MEANS. 
          UH, IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHO MAY NEED TO TO USE THAT, THAT THAT LOCATION, UH, YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ALREADY HAVE RECYCLING ONCE A WEEK, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULDN'T REALLY HAVE A NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, FOR THAT SERVICE. 
          BUT, UH, THERE COULD BE AN INTEREST IN OTHER WAYS TO PROVIDE RECYCLING SERVICES TO BUSINESSES AND YOUR RESIDENTS LIVING IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES. 
          AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, UH, IN A MOMENT. 
          AND SO ON, ON THE MULTIFAMILY AND, AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES FRONT, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, RECYCLING AS, AS I JUST MENTIONED. 
          BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE OPERATIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE ALREADY PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, WHICH IS MAINLY THE FRONT LOAD OR, OR DUMPSTER TYPES OF, OF SERVICES. 
          SO FROM A A SURVEY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE DID ASK, UH, THE PARTICIPANTS ABOUT, UH, THEIR INTEREST IN PROVIDING RECYCLING SERVICES TO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WHICH IS ON THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS, IS THE SAME QUESTION, BUT FOCUSED ON COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. 
          SO WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF APARTMENT, UM, RESIDENTS, UH, OR BUSINESSES RESPOND TO THE, THE SURVEY. 
          IT WAS JUST 12 A APART, UH, PEOPLE LIVING IN MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS, AND THEN 35 BUSINESSES, OR EXCUSE ME, 12 BUSINESSES. 
          UH, BUT OF OF THEM, THEY, THEY DEFINITELY EXPRESSED A, A VERY SUPPORTIVE INTEREST IN, IN RECYCLING, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT A NUMBER OF YOU ALL COMMUNICATED TO US DURING OUR, OUR ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S VERY OVERALL IMPORTANT TO, TO KEEP IN MIND, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, BEING DEVELOPED IN, IN CITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND, AND HERE IN RICHARDSON TO REALLY BE THINKING ABOUT RECYCLING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE RESIDENTS IS GONNA BECOME EVEN THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD. 
          AND SO IN TERMS OF, UM, YOUR MULTIFAMILY AND, AND COMMERCIAL, UH, TRASH COLLECTION, UH, THIS IS, IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO RECYCLING IN A MOMENT, BUT THIS IS NOW, UH, SPEAKING MORE SO TO THE OPERATION THAT THAT'S IN PLACE FOR YOUR, UH, TRASH COLLECTION FOR, FOR DUMPSTERS. 
          AND SO, UM, FROM A, FOR, IN TERMS OF YOUR, YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM, I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THAT BEING A, A VERY OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT, UH, SYSTEM. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S TOO OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT, AND WE DID A LOT OF TIME AND MOTION ANALYSIS THERE, AND SO YOU'RE USING A LITTLE BIT MORE OVER TIME THAN WHAT WE THINK IS, IS REALLY HEALTHY FOR THE OPERATION. 
          AND SO WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THERE TO ADD SOME, SOME STAFF AND, AND EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN FROM A, GOING BACK TO RECYCLING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A SERVICE THAT THAT'S NOT PROVIDED, UM, OR REALLY, UH, ORGANIZED BY THE CITY. 
          AND SO WE THINK THERE IS A, A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THE CITY TO EITHER PROVIDE THAT SERVICE OR TO LOOK AT, UH, POTENTIALLY, UM, BRINGING IN, UH, ONE OR MORE COMPANIES THAT COULD PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO YOUR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS AND OR BUSINESSES. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO NOT A, A, A EDUCATION AND OUTREACH FOCUS, UH, FOR 
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THESE SECTORS. 
          AND SO THAT'S AN AREA, UH, FOR IMPROVEMENT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN, UH, SPECIFIC TO YOUR COMMERCIAL TRASH COLLECTION, UM, WE THINK THERE'S A, A POTENTIAL BENEFIT TO BRING ON A BILLING ANALYST, UM, WHO WOULD REALLY FOCUS ON, ON YOUR BILLING SYSTEM, AND THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE SEE WITH A LOT OF OTHER CITIES THAT RUN THIS TYPE OF OF OPERATION. 
          SO IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT MAKES RICHARDSON UNIQUE, UH, THIS IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO A, A MOMENT AGO WHERE THERE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OVERTIME, UH, THAT THAT'S PROVIDED. 
          UH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE ENTIRE OPERATION, IT'S MORE THAN, THAN 1200 HOURS PER YEAR AND, AND OVER TIME. 
          AND SO WHILE WE THINK, UM, SOME DEGREE OF OVERTIME, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN BE NECESSARY ONCE YOU GET TO MORE THAN SAY, HALF OF AN FTE, THAT'S THE POINT AT WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A VALUE TO LOOK AT YOU, ADD THAT NEXT ROUTE. 
          UH, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE CLEARLY AT, AT THAT POINT TO ADD ANOTHER PERSON, UH, AND, AND EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT COULD ALSO POSITION THE CITY TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT MAYBE ON A PILOT BASIS, UH, SEEING IF THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU COULD START TO PROVIDE SOME COMMERCIAL AND OR MULTI-FAMILY RECYCLING SERVICES AND JUST SEE WHAT KIND OF DEMAND THERE IS FOR THAT, AND THEN MAKE FUTURE DECISIONS IF THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR, FOR FUTURE EXPANSIONS THERE AS WELL. 
          SO IN TERMS OF, UM, PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, THAT THE RECOGNITION IS THAT YOU'RE COMMERCIAL, UM, TRASH COLLECTION BUSINESS IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO, TO BUSINESSES IN THE CITY, AND AS WE SHOWED EARLIER, YOU PROVIDE THIS AT A VERY COST COMPETITIVE PRICE. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S AN OVERALL BENEFIT TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED, UH, FROM THIS, THIS OPERATION. 
          AND SO IN ORDER TO REALLY PROVIDE FOR, FOR ITS LONG-TERM SUCCESS, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU CONSIDER RIGHT-SIZING, UH, THE NUMBER OF ROUTES, VEHICLES AND, AND PERSONNEL BY ADDING, UH, TO THOSE AREAS, UM, YOUR FLEET IS, IS AGING. 
          SO TO LOOK AT REPLACING, UH, SOME OF YOUR VEHICLES AS WELL AS UPDATING YOUR FLEET MAINTENANCE SOFTWARE, ADDING THAT, THAT POSITION, UH, FOR A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ANALYST AND THEN INCREASING YOUR, YOUR MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL FOCUSED EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. 
          AND AGAIN, AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IS WHAT I MENTIONED A, A MOMENT AGO, AND THAT IS, UH, THAT THAT EXTRA CAPACITY THAT YOU GET COULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO START, TO START TO EXPLORE HOW COULD YOU PROVIDE RECYCLING TO YOUR MULTIFAMILY AND OR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO, TO MULTIFAMILY AND, AND COMMERCIAL RECYCLING OPTIONS, HAVING THE CITY BE THIS, UH, SERVICE PROVIDER IS, IS JUST ONE OPTION FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT OTHER IDEAS, UM, BEING EITHER EXCLUSIVE OR NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISES. 
          UM, UNDER THOSE SCENARIOS, THE CITY, UH, COULD ISSUE, UH, AN RFP UH, BENEFIT OF THAT AS YOU COULD, UH, HOPEFULLY GET, UH, MORE COMPETITIVE PRICING, UM, AND THAT YOU WOULD BE POOLING, UH, THE BUSINESSES AND, AND APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE CITY THAT WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN THOSE SERVICES. 
          UM, YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT, UH, CONTINUING TO KEEP YOUR, YOUR HAULER LICENSING, UH, PROGRAM, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO BE MADE THERE. 
          AND THEN SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE HAVE SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW BUSINESSES AND, AND MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES TO, UH, DECIDE HOW THEY WANT THEIR PROGRAMS TO PROCEED, BUT TO STILL HAVE, UH, GENERATE OR PLAN ORDINANCES THAT DO REQUIRE THEM TO, UM, COMMIT, UH, AND THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THOSE PROGRAMS WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT, THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF, UM, DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          UM, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THAT IS, IS OUR EVALUATION OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION OR, OR C AND D UH, OPTIONS. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT SERVICE IS PROVIDED BY 18 DIFFERENT PERMITTED HAULERS IN, IN THE CITY. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE, UH, ALL SORTS OF, OF DIFFERENT OPERATORS GOING, GOING UP AND DOWN YOUR, YOUR STREETS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF THE KNOWING WHICH OF THOSE HAULERS ARE REALLY, UH, REGISTERED WITH THE CITY AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR EXISTING LICENSING PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO THE OPTIONS HERE WOULD BE TO POTENTIALLY CONTINUE THAT CURRENT LICENSING PROGRAM AND OR YOU COULD CONSIDER, UH, EXCLUSIVE OR OR NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISES 
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FOR THIS TYPE OF SERVICE AS WELL. 
          SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED FOR COMMERCIAL RECYCLING. 
          ALRIGHT, SO JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS TO, TO RUN THROUGH. 
          UH, SO THERE ARE SOME, SOME OTHER, UH, KEY SERVICE, UH, DELIVERIES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH, WITH BRIEF UPDATES ON. 
          UH, AND SO THE, THE FIRST ONE IS YOUR, YOUR LANDFILL AND, AND TRANSFER STATION. 
          SO CITY OF RICHARDSON HAS A, HAD A VERY LONG TERM AND SUCCESSFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. 
          AND, AND HERE OUR OUR PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTINUE, UH, THAT RELATIONSHIP IN TERMS OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE, THE MANAGEMENT OF YOUR, OF YOUR SOLID WASTE THAT GOES THROUGH, UH, THE TRANSFER STATION AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UH, TO THE DISTRICT'S LANDFILL. 
          UM, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR. 
          UM, YOU ALL HAVE A, UH, PARTNERSHIP WITH DALLAS COUNTY, UH, FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF, OF HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HOUSEHOLD CHEMICALS, UH, LIKE, LIKE PESTICIDES, PAINTS, THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT'S A, AN OPERATION THAT, UH, IS RELATIVELY NEARBY, UH, OVER, PRETTY CLOSE TO, TO GARLAND. 
          UH, SO IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY CONVENIENT FOR YOUR RESIDENTS AND, AND ALSO WE THINK, UH, VERY COST EFFECTIVE AS WELL. 
          SO OUR RECOMMENDATION THERE IS TO CONTINUE THAT RELATIONSHIP AS, AS WELL. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF RECYCLING AND PROCESSING, YOU DO HAVE A, A CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH REPUBLIC SERVICES. 
          UM, THAT CONTRACT HAS A TERM THAT EXPIRES IN 2028, BUT YOU DO HAVE MULTIPLE EXTENSIONS, UH, ON THAT AGREEMENT. 
          AND SO OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION THERE IS TO, UH, LOOK TO CONTINUE THAT, THAT RELATIONSHIP UNDER THE EXISTING AGREEMENT WITH REPUBLIC SERVICES. 
          AND THEN THE LAST, UH, FACILITY, UH, THAT WE WANTED TO, TO DISCUSS IS YOUR ORGANICS PROCESSING, WHICH IS FOR YOUR, MAINLY YOUR, YOUR BRUSH. 
          AND SO YOU DO HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH, WITH TEXAS PURE PRODUCTS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE CITY OF PLANO. 
          UH, AND THAT DOES EXPIRE IN IN 2026. 
          UH, AND SO THIS HAS BEEN A, A TOPIC THAT, UH, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE, UH, NORTH TEXAS, UH, SYSTEM HAVE COLLABORATED ON. 
          SO, UM, ON ONE HAND, UH, THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LOGISTICAL BENEFITS TO CONTINUING THAT RELATIONSHIP. 
          UM, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS PART OF ANY DECISION, UH, THAT GETS MADE AS, AS WELL. 
          AND THEN FROM A OUTREACH AND AND COMPLIANCE PERSPECTIVE, SOME, SOME KEY OBSERVATIONS HERE THAT, UH, SOME OF YOUR, YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT LANGUAGE MAY BE A BIT CHALLENGING TO, TO UNDER TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO, TO CLARIFY THAT INFORMATION, UH, AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, UH, MATERIAL FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, CUSTOMERS. 
          SO ON, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THAT COULD BE COMMUNICATING LIKE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, UM, WHAT SHOULD BE SET OUT AS AS TRASH AS COMPARED TO BAIC. 
          AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU MAY TAKE ON, ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, UM, UH, COMMUNICATING MORE RECYCLING OPPORTUNITIES, UH, COULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AS AS WELL. 
          UM, SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOU ALL ARE, ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FILLING YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL OUTREACH COORDINATOR POSITION. 
          SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GLAD TO HEAR THAT THAT IS IN PROCESS SO THAT THAT'S COMMUNICATED AS ONE OF OUR PRELIMINARY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN TO, UH, PROVIDE MORE, MORE CLEAR OR EXPLICIT INTERPRETATIONS OF, OF YOUR CODE, UH, IS ANOTHER AREA THAT THAT'S RECOMMENDED AS WELL. 
          SO JUST, JUST TO WRAP UP BEFORE WE GET YOUR IMPORTANT, UH, FEEDBACK, UH, IS JUST TO, UM, TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE AS, AS WELL. 
          BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO NOW AND OR IN JUST A MOMENT IS, IS TO REQUEST YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU ALL, UH, THIS, THIS EVENING. 
          UH, BOTH REGARD TO THE, THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO, UH, THIS JUST SUMMARIZES, UM, THOSE, THOSE WITHIN THE TWO BUCKETS OF, OF PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS THE, THE OPTIONS TO EVALUATE AND WOULD BE, UH, MORE THAN HAPPY TO RECEIVE YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL AS QUESTIONS ON, ON BOTH OF THOSE, THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF OUR, OUR NEXT STEPS, UM, ARE GOING TO BE TO, UH, CONTINUE TO, TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS BASED ON DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM 
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YOU ALL, AND THEN AS APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION AND, AND FUNDING PLANS THAT THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED. 
          AND THEN OUR, OUR PLAN WILL BE AS WELL TO, UH, BRING BACK TO YOU ALL, I THINK REALLY FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, KEY, UM, OP KEY OPTIONS THAT WE'LL BE EVALUATING TO BRING THOSE BACK TO, TO COUNSEL, UH, TO AT THAT POINT, UH, REQUEST FURTHER DIRECTION, UH, AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS IN, IN THE PLAN. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT, I'LL DEFINITELY BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UH, FOR US. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNSEL. 
          ANY QUESTIONS MR. CORCORAN? UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, UH, ON THE, THE SURVEY, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE, UM, I GUESS FOR THE, SORRY, FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE, UM, SAYING THAT THEY WOULD PREFER A CART SYSTEM VERSUS THE RESIDENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T WANT TRASH, UH, THE, THE TWICE SUIT TRASH GO AWAY, WAS THERE ANY EFFORT TO KIND OF CORRELATE THE RESULTS OF LIKE MAYBE RESIDENTS WHO WOULD BE OKAY WITH TRASH GOING TO LIKE ONCE A WEEK IF THEY CART THE CART SYSTEM OR KIND OF MERGE THOSE TWO GROUPS TOGETHER? MM-HMM. 
           OR DID I, DID I MISS THAT? UH, IT'S NOT A PART OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ALMOST THERE. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY JUST, JUST ASKING IF THERE'S ANY CORRELATION BETWEEN, BETWEEN THESE RESPONSES, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WE, WE HAVE, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T DO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT AT THIS POINT, ONLY BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS SUCH A STRONG RESPONSE IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTS THAT WERE DISINTERESTED OR VERY DISINTERESTED IN MOVING AWAY FROM THE TWICE PER WEEK. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I GUESS MY, MY THOUGHT IS IF THE QUESTION IS IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE TO DO IT NOW THAT THE SURVEY'S ALREADY KIND OF BEEN OUT THERE, BUT I GUESS MY THOUGHT WOULD WOULD BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKING IN ISOLATION, I MEAN, WHO WOULD SAY THAT THEY WANT LESS SERVICE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , BUT TAKEN PAIRED WITH, OH, I GET A TRASH BIN, BUT THE TRADE OFF IS THAT I GET LESS SERVICE, I WOULD WONDER IF THE RESULTS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THESE, THESE WERE ONLY A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS, SO THERE DEFINITELY ARE, YEAH. 
          ARE MORE QUESTIONS AND WE, WE, WE DID ASK THE QUESTION A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS IN INCLUDING ABOUT THEIR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR THE SERVICE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND OVERALL THERE WAS DEFINITELY A, A STRONG INTEREST IN MORE SERVICE AND A WILLINGNESS TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE. 
          YEAH, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD JS HAVE ANY SORT OF ANECDOTAL CONVERSATIONS TO THAT EFFECT AS WELL? UH, OR WE DID HAVE, YEAH, THAT WAS A, A KEY PART OF THE OPEN HOUSE YEAH. 
          WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO MM-HMM  TALK WITH PEOPLE AND, UM, AT THAT OPEN HOUSE THERE WAS DEFINITELY A, A VERY STRONG PREFERENCE TO MAINTAIN THE, THE CURRENT SYSTEM. 
          I SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO THINK MY, YOU KNOW, MY OVERALL IMPRESSION IS JUST THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE, SO I I'M, IT'S CLEAR OUT THERE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS PLAN. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT EVERY SINGLE ONE OR IMPLEMENT EVERY SINGLE ONE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, I MEAN, MY, I GUESS MY GENERAL TAKEAWAY IS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT PROCESS CHANGES, COMPENSATION CHANGES, YOU KNOW, STAFF HIRES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED. 
          AND NOT THAT WE, NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY AT ALL, BUT, UM, IT DOES JUST SEEM TO ME LIKE, LIKE A LOT AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS GO. 
          UM, YEAH, I, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY, AND SOME PEOPLE WOULD CERTAINLY SAY IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S ALL A MATTER OF OPINION, BUT I GUESS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GUYS GONNA HAVE LIKE SOME SORT OF TIMELINE FOR IMPLEMENTATION AS WELL THAT YOU RECOMMENDED? YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, I, I DID MENTION THAT THIS WILL BE A 20 YEAR PLAN. 
          YEAH, YOU DID. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I REMEMBER THAT. 
          UM, BUT, BUT YOUR, YOUR POINT IS STILL WELL, WELL MADE IN THAT, WHAT WE LIKE TO SAY TO OUR, OUR CLIENTS IS THAT, YEAH, YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE'LL BE DOING WITH CITY STAFF IS TO PRIORITIZE MM-HMM. 
           THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND THEN, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DO HAVE, 
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UH, COST IMPLICATIONS IS TO PRICE OUT WHAT, WHAT THE COST WILL BE TO THEN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN SHOULD THE CITY IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, SO IT MAY, THE CITY MAY SAY, YEAH, LET'S DO ITEM NUMBER ONE THIS YEAR, BUT LET'S WAIT ON THESE NEXT COUPLE ONES, YOU KNOW, UNTIL YEAR'S THREE OR FOUR OR YEAR SEVEN OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S A PART OF WHAT, WHAT'S COMING NEXT IS TO LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF, UH, A FINANCIAL VIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEN ALSO JUST THE RECOGNITION THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE. 
          AND SO YOU GOTTA PRIORITIZE THE TIMING OF, OF WHEN CHANGES, UH, WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED OF WHEN THEY WOULD BE MADE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN FLOATED REALLY, REALLY EARLY IN THIS PROCESS WAS THE IDEA OF MAYBE GETTING SOME COST SAVINGS BY CAPPING THE AMOUNT OF BAIC USAGE THAT WAS DONE HERE. 
          I DIDN'T, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DIDN'T SEE THAT AS PART OF THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , COULD YOU MAYBE JUST ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, WE'VE COVERED A LOT, A LOT OF GROUND HERE THIS, THIS EVENING. 
          SO I, I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THAT IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DETAIL, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT IS TALKED ABOUT ON THIS SLIDE HERE IN TERMS OF, MM-HMM, , UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BEING SET OUT LIMITS FOR BAIC AND, AND AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF BAIC REQUESTS CAN BE MADE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD DEFINITELY APPRECIATE GETTING FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION FROM, FROM COUNCIL ON AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT WOULD YOU HAVE A, AN INTEREST OR WILLINGNESS TO SET SOME LIMITS THERE OR NOT? UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT SURVEY SHOWING THAT MOST OF YOUR RESIDENTS ONLY NEED THAT SERVICE LESS THAN FOUR TIMES PER YEAR. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO GO TO SAY THAT, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO FOUR PER YEAR, AND THEN AFTER THAT THERE WOULD JUST BE A, A, A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH HOW A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE, UM, AT THE, AT THE DIRECTION OF, OF CITY COUNCIL AND OR STAFF AS FAR AS IF YOU WANT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO, JOE, SO, UH, LET ME, UH, LET ME KIND OF JUST TELL YOU MY LAYMAN'S VIEW OF THE WAY I'M, I'M, I'M DOING THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE ARE, IN EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES, THERE ARE POTENTIAL OPERATIONAL, UM, UH, ENHANCEMENTS OR TWEAKS THAT WE CAN MAKE, ENHANCEMENTS, ADDING THINGS, TWEAKS, LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE, LIKE YOU JUST GAVE. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE STUDIED. 
          THAT'S ON THAT LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT, THAT SECOND TO LAST SLIDE. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE STUDIED FURTHER. 
          WE'LL PUT THE MATH TO 'EM AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH A COST BENEFIT OR A VALUE PROPOSITION FOR, FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. 
          UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE LIKELY, UM, GOING TO BE THE SHORT TERM STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KIND OF EVALUATE THE RIGHT SIDE OF, OF THE, OF THE OPTIONS TO EVALUATE, IN MY OPINION, ARE MORE OF THE LONG, THE MID TO LONG TERM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, FOR INSTANCE, IN TRASH AND RECYCLING. 
          WE DON'T THINK, I, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME THERE'S A CONSENSUS OR THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A BUDGETARY ON RAMP TO DO A LOT TO MAKE BIG CHANGES IN THE WAY WE COLLECT TRASH AND RECYCLING. 
          HOWEVER, AS, AS SCOTT HAS MENTIONED, THIS IS A 20 YEAR VIEW. 
          SO, UH, WHAT HE'S GONNA DO, IN MY OPINION, IS THEY'RE GONNA MAP OUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN FIVE OR 10 OR 20 YEARS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IF AT THAT TIME, BOTH POLITICALLY THE COMMUNITY YEAH. 
          AND FINANCIALLY IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT MADE SENSE TO DO. 
          SO THINGS LIKE YOU'RE DESCRIBING, LIKE MAYBE CAPPING BAIC OR MAYBE, UM, ADDING A TRAILER, UH, YOU KNOW, A REAR LOAD, UH, TRAILER TO BAIC OR CHANGING THINGS, UH, IN THE WAY WE, UH, APPROACH, UH, RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION BECAUSE WE, WE TWEAK THE, UM, THE, UM, EMPLOYMENT, UH, OR THE, UM, THE, UM, TASK SYSTEM. 
          ALL OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE PROBABLY THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING TO DO IN THE, THE, THE SHORT TERM. 
          BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE GONNA BE PRIORITIZED AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T POP THE CLUTCH AND DO ALL THOSE AT ONE TIME EITHER. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA BE A SHORT TERM WORK PLAN THAT'LL BE PRIORITIZED, AND THEN THERE'LL BE MORE OF A LONG TERM WORK PLAN. 
          THE SHORT TERM IS GONNA REALLY FOCUS IN THE OPERATIONS ENHANCEMENTS AND TWEAKS. 
          THE LONG TERM WOULD FOCUS ON, WOULD BE FOCUSED ON IF WE WANTED TO MAKE A TRANSIT IN TRANSITION IN THE FUTURE, HOW WOULD THAT LOOK AND WHAT WOULD THAT COST? MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK WHAT WE'VE ALL AGREED TO, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'LL BE BRINGING YOU BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST THE NUANCE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING, AND NONE OF THIS IS A FINAL RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, THESE, THESE ARE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS 'CAUSE WE DO WANT YOUR FEEDBACK, IF YOU WANT US TO FURTHER STUDY, I SEE THE OPERATIONAL ENHANCEMENTS AND THEN, UM, WE BELIEVE IT'S 
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PRUDENT TO INCLUDE THE LONG-TERM OPTIONS IN THE PLAN. 
          UM, KNOWING THAT, THAT IT'S EXACTLY, THAT IT'S MID TO LONG, LONG TERM OPTIONS BECAUSE OF MANY OF THE, UH, UNIQUELY RICHARDSON FACTORS THAT WE'VE DESCRIBED WHEN IT COMES TO TRASH RECYCLING AND BAIC COLLECTIONS. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS SAYING, AND LET'S JUST APPLY THIS TO BOTH BRIEFINGS TONIGHT, , YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOCUSED ON ONE SERVICE AREA. 
          THESE SERVICE AREAS ALL HAVE TO BE COMPARED AND CONTRAST FOR PRIORITIES AS WELL. 
          SO WHY WE'LL PRIORITIZE THINGS WITHIN THE SOLID WASTE SERVICES OR THE FIRE OR THE MS SERVICES. 
          THOSE STILL HAVE TO BE PRIORITIZED IN THE BIGGER PICTURE ACROSS 20 DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UM, BUSINESS AREAS THAT AND, AND SERVICE AREAS THAT WE, WE PROVIDE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO SAY, CONTEXTUALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF JUST THIS, THIS REALM NOW, BUT WE'LL ALL BE TASKED IN THE FUTURE WITH COMPARING THIS TO OTHER PRIORITIES AND OTHER NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN OTHER AREAS, AS WELL AS JUST WHAT'S IN THIS ONE REALM. 
          NO, I, I AGREE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WHERE WE GET A BENEFIT FROM LOOKING AT SOMETHING FROM 20 YEARS, I MEAN, A 20 YEAR PLAN IS THE THINGS ON THE TAIL END OF A 20 YEAR PLAN, I FIND GENERALLY ARE, ARE GENERALLY PRETTY NEBULOUS. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF, IT'S REALLY MORE VALUABLE FROM A REFERENCE STANDPOINT OF LIKE, HEY, HAVE WE EVER LOOKED AT DOING THIS? OH YEAH, WE DID LOOK AT IT, WE LOOKED AT IT 20 YEARS AGO. 
          LET'S SEE WHAT, WHAT WE FOUND BACK THEN AND COMPARE IT TO NOW AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, YES, IN 20 YEARS WE'RE GONNA DO X, Y, Z THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE GET A LOT OF BENEFIT FROM THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK IT PROVIDES, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT BECAUSE I MEAN, WHAT THE, BOTH THE COMMUNITY SENTIMENT, THE POLITICAL SENTIMENT AND THE BUDGETARY CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE AT PLAY TODAY WON'T NECESSARILY BE AT PLAY YEAH. 
          10 OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          AND SO IF, IF THEY CHANGE MM-HMM. 
          , WE WILL HAVE A PLAN THAT WE CAN REFER TO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY ROADMAP AT THAT TIME THAT WE CAN START TO CONSIDER WHAT, WHAT CHANGES MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          I THINK IT'LL BE INTERESTING. 
          MY, MY LAST THOUGHT, UH, I THINK IT'LL BE INTERESTING 20 YEARS FROM NOW TO SEE IF ALL THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO WANT BINS STILL WANT BINS , AND SEE IF THOSE NUMBERS SHIFT OR NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT MY LAST THOUGHT THERE. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, SCOTT, THANK YOU FOR, UH, COMPILING THIS INFORMATION. 
          THIS IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND, AND, AND REALLY IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT, WE COULD SIT HERE AND PROBABLY CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS ALL NIGHT LONG, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT REALLY IMPLEMENTING THAT, THAT FOCUS TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW THINGS. 
          UM, AND I'LL RE REITERATE A COUPLE, UH, ITEMS. BUT ONE, I THINK 5,000, UH, RESPONSES IS, IS A LOT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD PARTICIPATION AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT AMOUNT OF, UH, INPUT IN THIS PROGRAM. 
          AND, AND I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A 20 YEAR PLAN BECAUSE TO DON'S POINT AND TO EVERYONE ELSE'S POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 20 YEAR PLAN, IT CAN BE REEVALUATED IN THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, SEVEN YEARS, WHAT, HOWEVER THINGS CHANGE. 
          UH, AND THEN, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT ON THE YOUNGER GENERATION WANTING CARTS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, LIKE THE BOUTIQUE SERVICE THAT RICHARDSON PROVIDES WITH THE BAG TRASH PICKUP, UM, ON THE, THE ALLEY VERSUS THE FRONT LOAD. 
          UM, I THINK THOSE ARE AREAS I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE, UH, AS THAT PROGRESSES. 
          UH, I NOTICED THAT YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING THE FRONT LOAD BEING POTENTIALLY FOR BAIC, UH, FOR BULK TRASH PICKUP, UH, AS AN OPTION. 
          BUT I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY THAT ONCE YOU IMPLEMENT A CART PICKUP FOR THAT SERVICE, IT SORT OF LEADS TO THE FACT THAT, OR TO THE POINT OF THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED ALSO FOR EITHER ALLEY AND OR FRONT LOAD PICKUP FOR CARTS. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS AND FINALIZING SOME THINGS, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT POTENTIAL OPTIONS ARE THERE. 
          I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR CARTS OF COURSE, BUT, UH, PERSONALLY, UH, MY PER PERSONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, I STILL PREFER THE BAGS. 
          BUT, UM, I, IF, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT TRYING TO CUT COST AND TO CROSS BALANCE THAT WITH EMPLOYMENT VERSUS THE AMOUNT OF, UH, TI AMOUNT OF TIME AND PEOPLE ENGAGED, I THINK, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, I'VE BEEN TOLD FROM CONSTITUENTS AND A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT RICHARD SAID, UH, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO REDUCE THAT DOWN TO ONE TO TWO TIMES A MONTH FOR BULK TRASH PICKUP, UH, VERSUS THE ONCE A WEEK, UH, PICKUP. 
          UH, ALSO, UH, UH, THAT COULD BE, I, I'VE NOTICED, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO FEWER TIMES A YEAR, UH, IS THE AVERAGE. 
          WHICH HONESTLY, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER, UM, FOUR TIMES A YEAR TO DROP OFF, UH, OR TO CALL IN FOR BULK TRASH PICKUP SEEMS, 
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UH, UH, VERY MINIMAL. 
          BUT, UH, BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT. 
          I MEAN, THAT GOES TO SHOW THAT WE, THAT'S POTENTIALLY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REDUCED TO CUT COSTS AND TO CROSS BALANCE THAT. 
          UM, THE, AS FAR AS THE RECYCLE, UM, DROP OFF LOCATION, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU USED I THINK, THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THERE. 
          THAT'S TO CLOSE THE LOCATION, ADD A STAFF MEMBER AND CAMERAS OR, OR JUST DO AWAY WITH IT AND OR HAVE IT PROVIDED THROUGH MULTIFAMILY OR, AND APARTMENTS. 
          UM, I, I, I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          'CAUSE UH, ELIMINATING THAT WOULD PUT ALL THE TRASH PICKUP AT THE, AT THE RESIDENCE OF COURSE, AND OR BUSINESSES. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, IF WE DO HAVE A DROP OFF LOCATION, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS THAT USED FOR RESIDENTS? IS THAT USED FOR APARTMENTS, MULTI-FAMILY, HOW, OR, OR FOR SOME SMALL BUSINESSES, UM, HOW DOES THAT BALANCE OUT WHAT TYPE OF FRONT LOAD PICKUP THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY VERSUS DO THEY TAKE THOSE TO A DROP OFF LOCATION? SO I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THAT, HOW THAT THOSE DOLLARS PLAY OUT AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY IT TAKES TO, TO, TO UTILIZE THAT SERVICE. 
          'CAUSE ONE, IF YOU'RE ADDING CAMERAS, WHAT ARE THE CAMERAS GOING TO DO? THEY'RE GOING TO, SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO MONITOR THEM. 
          AND THEN BY MONITOR THEM, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO IF SOMEONE'S DROPPING OFF SOMETHING THAT SAY SHOULDN'T BE DROPPING OFF? WHAT'S THE RESPONSE TIME? I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GONNA HANDLE THAT? MM-HMM. 
           AND THEREFORE NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY. 
          SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M JUST THROWING OUT SCENARIOS HERE TO, TO SIT HERE AND THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESSING THIS, UM, VERSUS EITHER CLOSING IT AND PUTTING ALL THAT INTO PICKUPS AT THE MULTIFAMILY AND APARTMENTS. 
          AND ALSO JUST STICK TO BULK TRASH AND REGULAR TRASH PICKUP AT THE RESIDENCE. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS. 
          THERE'S A LOT, AND, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH EVERY DETAIL, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS I PICKED UP ON OVER AND ABOVE WHEN WE MET ONE-ON-ONE TO, TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS. 
          BUT I, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE THAT FOR NOW. 
          AND IF WE HAVE MORE TIME AND I, AND I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          CLARIFYING QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THIS IS TO KIND OF, I THINK, I THINK I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BASED ON COUNCILMAN CORCORAN'S QUESTION EARLIER, BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN, THEY WERE PURELY BASED ON INDUSTRY STANDARDS, COMMON PRACTICES OR, UH, PROCESS WHICH YOU SAW AS INEFFICIENCIES. 
          CORRECT? THEY, THEY WERE, NONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE HAD A COST ANALYSIS YET, OR COST SA COST SAVINGS ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IS THAT AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, CORRECT. 
          THAT YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S PART OF WHAT WILL BE COMING NEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          AWESOME. 
          UM, QUESTION. 
          DON, DID THAT POSITION FOR THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL, WHAT ARE WE CALLING IT, EDUCATOR? WAS THAT ONE OF THE ONES LIKE WE FROZE? IS THAT ONE WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF BITE ON AS FAR AS APPLICATIONS? IT WAS, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY FROZEN. 
          YES, IT WAS. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THE COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THIS, I THINK I WAS, I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE THAT LIKES THE IDEA, UH, OF A CART, BUT ALSO DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE LESSER SERVICE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I PROBABLY FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT KIND OF THE DATA SHOWS. 
          UH, I WILL SAY THIS, THIS, UM, FIRST TERM ON THE COUNCIL, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT WAS THE MOST SPLIT WHEN IT CAME TO CALLS, TEXTS, YOU KNOW, WORDS WITH NEIGHBORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          I HAVE SOME, I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LOVE THE IDEA OF GOING TO CARTS. 
          I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY MUCH AGAINST THE IDEA AND IT'S VERY SPLIT. 
          SO I, I, I AT LEAST CAN CONFIRM THAT WITH THE DATA BASED ON THE FEW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT HAVE TALKED TO ME OVER ABOUT IT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. 
          UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST, I GUESS, PRO CART KIND OF ARGUMENT IS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, MY VARIOUS, VARIOUS CIRCLES IS, UM, I, AND I KNOW AT LEAST IN OUR PART OF TOWN, AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS AN ISSUE NOW THAT PARTS OF TOWN MAYBE NOT, UH, IS WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE, ONE PUTTING BAGS OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND A LOT OF 
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BAGS GETTING RIPPED BY ANIMALS. 
          YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF BOBCATS AND REGULAR CATS AND WHATNOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE SEE A LOT OF TORN TRASH BAGS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO, UM, CARTS, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          'CAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE OTHER CARTS AS WE ARE AN AGING POPULA, AGING CITY. 
          UM, THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE. 
          UM, BUT MAYBE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO LOOK AT, OKAY, HOW ELSE CAN WE ADDRESS IT? BECAUSE I, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THAT'S KIND OF THE ROOT CAUSE BEHIND PE SOME PEOPLE MAY BE WANTING THE, UH, THE CARTS IS JUST TO GET RID OF THAT KIND OF TRASHINESS THAT HAPPENS WHEN BAGS GET RIPPED OPEN. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO AND BASED ON WHAT I SEE, UH, WHEN MY WIFE REMINDS ME OF PUT THE TRASH ON THE CURB. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. 
          I DO, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SPLIT THING, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I DON'T HAVE A STRONG STANCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          AND USUALLY, YOU KNOW, I CAN, UM, I DO KNOW THAT FOR ME, ANY DECISIONS TO CHANGE, UH, ADD, SUBTRACT OF ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S BO BAIC RECYCLING, UM, SOLID WASTE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE VERY MUCH A, A COST DECISION JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SPLIT OPINION THING. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO SHOW FOR ANYTHING TO BE, UH, MINIMALIZED OR, OR LESSENED. 
          UM, IT WOULD NEED TO SHOW A STRONG FINANCIAL ARGUMENT ON REASONING WHY. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT COMES TO US IN THE FUTURE, UM, THAT WOULD, I WOULD NEED TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO. 
          BECAUSE I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH IT. 
          UM, AND UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE TRASH, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE, WE DON'T JUST TURN OVER ALL THE TRUCKS ALL AT ONCE. 
          THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE THING TO DO. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FINANCIALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, FISCALLY OVER THE 20 YEARS OR 30 YEARS OR WHATEVER LEVEL LOT IS, I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE A PART OF THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU MS. JUSTICE. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT THE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? AND I AGREE WE NEED TO EVALUATE THE OPTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE, UM, ON, ON THE RIGHT. 
          UM, AND I, AND THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. 
          I'VE RECEIVED NOTHING BUT DON'T MESS WITH OUR TRASH SERVICE. 
          I LIKE IT EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS. 
          I'VE NOT RECEIVED A SINGLE REACH OUT SAYING BINS WOULD BE GREAT. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S INTERESTING. 
          I MEAN, THE SURVEY IS THE SURVEY DATA, SO CLEARLY IT IS VERY CLOSE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. 
          BUT IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT I'VE NOT RECEIVED, UH, ANY OF THOSE, UM, UH, CALLS ARE OR, UM, EMAILS. 
          UM, AND, BUT I WOULD AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT IF WE'RE EVER GONNA LOOK AT CHANGING OUR SERVICE IN ANY WAY, IT SHOULD COME WITH SOME SORT OF COST ANALYSIS FOR SURE. 
          WE NEED TO REALLY SORT OF BE ABLE TO, TO POINT TO THE NUMBERS BECAUSE HALF OUR CITY'S GONNA BE MAD WITH WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE, RIGHT? BASED ON THE SURVEY DATA. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO, YOU KNOW, IS THE COST SAVINGS TO THE RESIDENTS IN SOME WAY IF WE ARE GONNA MAKE ANY CHANGES. 
          UM, SO I, I WOULD, UH, STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT PHASE OF WHAT YOU BRING US. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHER RUTTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK FOR JUST A MOMENT TO THE ACTUAL, YOUR FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES ON THE SURVEY? YES. 
          THE SLIDES THAT I HAD INIT A FEW MINUTES AGO, VERY, VERY BEGINNING. 
          UH, YEAH, WAY, WAY BACK AT THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          THIS ONE HERE? YEAH. 
          UH, NO, THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE AND THEN THIS WAS THE SECOND. 
          YEAH, GO BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FIRST ONE, 18. 
          SEE HERE FOR JUST A MINUTE. 
          SO 44 VERSUS 56. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNEW THE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD THE MATH STRAIGHTENED MY HEAD FROM, 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT VERY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT NEUTRAL, I GUESS TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE 3 50, 50 PEOPLE IN THE NEUTRAL. 
          UM, ANYWAY, UM, LIKE, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE SAID, I'VE HEARD NOTHING, BUT PLEASE DON'T BRING CARTS IN. 
          UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE, UM, NUMEROUS PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN GARLAND. 
          THEY HAVE THE CART SYSTEM. 
          THEY HATE THE CART SYSTEM. 
          UM, UH, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT HERE IS, IS THAT THE, THAT FOR YOUR REGULAR, UM, UH, COST, UM, THAT YOU WOULD GET, YOU GET ONE CART IF YOU HAVE A LARGE FAMILY, YOU HAVE TO END UP RENTING A SECOND CART, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO, 
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TO, TO SERVE YOUR FAMILY. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THIS FROM EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I'VE LIVED IN OTHER CITIES BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN MY GIRLS WERE LITTLE, PRODUCED A LOT MORE TRASH. 
          AND YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE IT WITH ONE CART. 
          SO YOU END UP HAVING TO RENT A SECOND CART, WHICH IS A HIDDEN COST IN THIS, THAT I'D, I'D WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CARTS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS A PART OF THIS. 
          UM, SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR, TO YOUR, I THINK IT WAS YOUR LAST SLIDE OR YOUR ONE WHERE IT SAYS ASKING FOR FEEDBACK. 
          'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON ONE OTHER THING THAT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ABOUT. 
          UM, SORRY. 
          THIS ONE OR THE ONE BACK, BACK ONE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THAT ONE. 
          UM, SO IN MY MIND, AND, AND DON PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I, I DON'T SEE US AS A CITY COUNCIL GETTING INTO WHETHER WE NEED ANOTHER SUPERVISOR GETTING INTO THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT REALLY AS OUR ROLE. 
          SO I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT YOU AS A CITY WOULD TAKE ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OFF THE PAGE, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY IN THE REALM OF WHAT Y'ALL DO ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO, TO DISCUSS OR DEBATE OR, OR, OR HAVE HAVE ANY, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD ALWAYS TAKE OUR INPUT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS A PART OF SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON. 
          WHAT I SEE IS KIND OF THE BIG, I'LL CALL IT THE 50 THOU 50,000 FOOT DISCUSSION AS TO ARE WE GONNA GO TO CARTS? NOT GO TO CARTS ONCE A WEEK, TWICE A WEEK. 
          UM, THE, THE, UM, BAIC, ARE WE GONNA MAKE A CHANGE ON THAT? THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LEVEL SETTING AS TO WHAT KIND OF, WHAT YOU SEE IN, IF, IF, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO GET OFF INTO THE MINUTIA INTO THE WEEDS. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR ROLE OR OUR JOB. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AM I, I TOTALLY, TOTALLY AGREE. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO THE OPERATIONAL ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, UM, WE WILL, UM, WE WILL ESTIMATE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE AND THEN I'LL PRESENT THOSE TO YOU AS RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF MY BUDGET. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS PART OF THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THAT'S COURSE, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT ARE POLICY ORIENTED. 
          FOR INSTANCE, UM, IF WE WERE GOING TO, UH, CHANGE BAIC AND REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO CALL IN 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE VERSUS WHAT IS NOW ALMOST A MIDNIGHT, THOSE POLICY DECISIONS I WOULD BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL. 
          BUT ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR POLICY DECISIONS, HOW I, HOW WE AS A, AS A CITY STAFF GO ABOUT, UM, CARRYING OUT THE OPERATIONS OF THOSE POLICIES, THAT WOULD JUST BE OUR NORMAL, UH, WAY OF APPROACHING THINGS THROUGH A BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IF IT HAD FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT, WHAT WE WERE REALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE RECYCLING DROP-OFF LOCATION, I'VE USED IT ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. 
          I ACTUALLY LIKE IT. 
          IT'S RIGHT OFF OF ARAPAHOE. 
          I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE EVERY TIME THAT I'VE USED IT, I PULL IN, I STOP, THROW MY THINGS IN AND LEAVE. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE PARKING. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, WHERE THAT REALLY, I GUESS I'M GONNA SAY IS, IS NEEDED. 
          BECAUSE WHEN I PULLED IN THERE, I JUST PULL UP RIGHT NEXT TO THE THREE BINS, PULL MY STUFF OUT, THROW IT AWAY, AND PULL ON OUT. 
          SO I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PARKING, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S MORE WHERE THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH OPERATIONS OF THE WATER UTILITY. 
          UH, IF THEY EVER NEED TO GET ONE OF THEIR, THEIR PIECES OF EQUIPMENT IN THERE, UH, THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH THE ABILITY OF SOMEBODY TO BRING IN OR, OR TO USE IT AS THE RECYCLING LOCATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I I MEAN, YOU'RE IN THERE ABOUT A GRAND TOTAL OF ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF TO THROW YOUR STUFF AWAY. 
          SO I DON'T, I GUESS I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'LL LET DON EVALUATE THAT. 
          'CAUSE I, I, I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS KEEPING THE SITE, I SEE IT AS A REAL BENEFIT. 
          UM, THERE, THERE ARE TIMES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR, WE HAVE OUR, UM, UM, RECYCLING ON FRIDAY. 
          AND SO IF WE HAVE A HEAVY WEEKEND, UM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR, UM, VARIOUS THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GET, WE GET LARGE BOXES OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, RATHER THAN CLOGGING UP THE, THE GARAGE, I'VE LOADED UP MY TRUCK, GONE OVER, THROWN ALL THE BOXES AWAY. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE. 
          SO UNLESS THERE'S SOME HUGE COST SAVINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'D WANT TO GET AWAY WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          GET, GET AWAY FROM IT. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, OR MOVE IT, OR I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD WANNA STAFF IT. 
          UM, I'M SURE OCCASIONALLY, YES, PROBABLY SOMEBODY DROPS SOMETHING OFF THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. 
          AGAIN, I WOULD ASK, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT REALLY HAPPEN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO EVALUATE? IF IT'S A ONCE OFF, I DON'T KNOW, ADDING A STAFF MEMBER AT WHATEVER WE'D BE PAYING THEM WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 
          CAMERAS, I GUESS THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. 
          BUT AGAIN, AND I'M SORRY, I FORGOT WHO, WHO BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA BE WATCHING THEM IF IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE TRYING TO GO BACK AND I GUESS MAYBE YOU COULD, YOU COULD PULL OFF A, A LICENSE PLATE. 
          SO IF YOU KNOW, 
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SOMEBODY DROPS SOMETHING OFF, I GUESS YOU COULD TRY AND GO BACK AND, AND, AND PIN IT DOWN AS TO THE PERSON THAT USED IT. 
          SO I, I, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE CAMERA ASPECT OF THAT, BUT I'D REALLY HATE TO GET TO SEE THAT GO AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, KEN, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK I PERSONALLY, I THINK WHERE WE'RE HEADED MORE IS TWO TWOFOLD. 
          ONE IS I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE IT GO AWAY ENTIRELY, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE JUST EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF WOULD THERE BE ANOTHER LOCATION IN THAT WEST SOUTHWEST AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO KIND OF, UM, CO-EXIST WITH THE WATER UTILITY. 
          'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT TCEQ HAVE HAVE KIND OF GOTTEN ON US ABOUT, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SECURE AREA. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF IS WOULD THERE BE ANOTHER LOCATION THAT POTENTIALLY, 'CAUSE IT WASN'T, UH, KIND OF COHABITATING WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REGULATED BY AN AGENCY LIKE TCEQ COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UM, EFFICIENT IN THE WAY IT OPERATES. 
          AND THEN HONESTLY, UM, I, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          WE HAD A DROP OFF AT THE SERVICE CENTER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          WE, WE, UM, STOPPED THAT BECAUSE OF SECURITY REASONS AND ILLEGAL DUMPING REASONS. 
          BUT THAT WAS NEVER A SECURE SITE. 
          AND SO I THINK, I THINK THIS EXPLORATION WILL BE MUCH MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE WANT, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS BY ADDING A TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN BY, BY ADDING A, A SECOND LOCATION ON THE EAST, WE COULD MAKE THE OPERATION OF THE WEST SIDE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE EVERYBODY GOING TO ONE LOCATION. 
          AND SO I THINK WHEN WE COME BACK, YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING MORE ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          UM, DEFINITELY, UH, I DON'T THINK IN ANYONE'S OPINION ARE WE THINKING JUST ELIMINATE IT. 
          AND, AND, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, IS I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. 
          I ABSOLUTELY LOVE WHEN WE DO THE CHRISTMAS AND WE PUT THE, WE PUT THE CONTAINERS. 
          I THINK WE HAVE 'EM ABOUT FOUR TO SIX PLACES ACROSS THE CITY. 
          I KNOW WE ALWAYS HAVE THE ONE OUT IN BRECKENRIDGE, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. 
          SO, I MEAN, I, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'D HAVE TO TELL US HOW MUCH ILLEGAL TO USE YOUR, YOUR WORDS ILLEGAL DUMPING IS UTILIZED, BUT THAT DUMPSTER SITTING OUT IN BRECKENRIDGE PARK PARKING LOT TAKES UP. 
          WHAT DOES IT TAKE ABOUT FOUR SPACES, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS A HUGE ISSUE. 
          A, I'D EVEN SAY IF, UNLESS IT'S JUST A HUGE, HUGE MATTER OF, OF A LOT OF ILLEGAL DUMPING IN THOSE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD WORK. 
          I MEAN, THAT, THAT WORKS REALLY, REALLY WELL AT THE CHRISTMAS TIME. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE USE IT. 
          I USE IT EVERY CHRISTMAS. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THE HUTCH AND RIDERS A MASS, A LOT OF BOXES . 
          SO IT'S LIKE THEY FILL UP THE, THEY FILL UP THE GARAGE AND SO I JUST TAKE 'EM AND GET RID OF 'EM. 
          UM, THE MULTIFAMILY, UM, RECYCLING, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AS MUCH, BUT MULTIFAMILY, I DO HEAR THAT A FAIR AMOUNT. 
          NOW MY QUESTION ON THAT IS, I THINK WE, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE COST ON THE MULTIFAMILY, BECAUSE I DO KNOW, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE ALREADY HA WE ALREADY, MY WORDS SUBSIDIZE THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME RECYCLING, DO WE NOT? IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? SURE, YES. 
          IT COSTS US MONEY TO RECYCLE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, YOUR THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT, DON FROM TO, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THAT. 
          BUT I DO HEAR I HEAR THAT A LOT ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO RECYCLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT OPTION. 
          I DO KNOW IN, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE MY DAUGHTERS ARE AT IN THEIR APARTMENTS IN OTHER CITIES, UM, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, UM, UM, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THE GATED OFF AREA. 
          THEY DO HAVE A RECYCLING, UM, UM, BIN, BIN, WHATEVER YOU CALL THOSE THINGS. 
          BIN, BIN, BIN, I GUESS. 
          YEAH. 
          BIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THOSE, UM, RECYCLING BIN. 
          UM, AND, AND I KNOW THEY USE THEM QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, SO I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO LOOK AT. 
          UM, UM, SO I THINK, I THINK FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOK TO THE, TO THE OVERALL 50,000 FOOT AREA AND THEN WAIT TO HEAR WHAT Y'ALL'S, WHAT, I'M SORRY, YOU AND YOUR, YOUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO US. 
          UM, AND THEN AGREED WITH, I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN WHO SAID IT FIRST, BUT THE, THE KIND OF THE COST AND AND PRICE EVALUATION ON ALL OF THIS. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE VERY, VERY GOOD. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          UH, GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PROCESS OF COLLECTING THIS TRASH  AND ALL THIS, IT'S BEEN GOING ON SO MUCH TRADITIONAL WAY AND ALL THIS, ANY, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS HOPING THAT IN 20 YEARS THINGS WILL CHANGE A LOT. 
          AND, UH, BUT ALSO HOW DO YOU TRANSITION YOURSELF, PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GONNA BE COLLECTING THIS ONCE A WEEK, TWICE A WEEK, TRY, YOU KNOW, UH, DUMP TRUCK, THIS, THIS, IT'S LIKE ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. 
          UH, BUT DOING BUSINESS LIKE THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, I THINK THINGS WILL CHANGE. 
          I, I HOPE THINGS CHANGE 
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OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE KEEP UP WITH COLLECTING TRASH? SO ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHT THAT HOW 20 YEARS FROM NOW THINGS WILL LOOK LIKE INSTEAD OF HAVING A DUMP TRUCK LIKE THAT? MM-HMM. 
           OR THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'RE GONNA GET. 
          20 YEARS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES IN HOW SOLID WASTE SYSTEMS ARE, ARE MANAGED, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'LL STILL BE COLLECTING TRASH RECYCLING ORGANICS WITH, WITH TRUCKS AND, AND STILL TAKING THEM TO VARIOUS FACILITIES. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK THE THE OPERATIONAL NATURE OF IT WILL CHANGE, BUT I THINK THE NUMBER OF CATEGORIES THAT YOU DIVIDE IT INTO AND YOU PICK UP, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WILL SEE CHANGES. 
          WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS THIS EVENING, BUT WE WERE TALKING EARLIER TODAY WITH CITY STAFF ABOUT ADDRESSING OPTIONS IN THE PLAN FOR THE COLLECTION OF, OF FOOD WASTE. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I DON'T THINK THE EXPECTATION IS THAT FOOD SCRAPS WOULD BE COLLECTED BY THE CITY, UH, ANYTIME SOON. 
          UH, HOWEVER, UH, WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS A SERVICE THAT SOME OF YOUR RESIDENTS AND OR BUSINESSES, UM, MAY WANT TO HAVE NOW OR, OR INTO THE FUTURE. 
          SO WE'LL BE ADDRESSING HOW THAT SERVICE COULD BE PROVIDED. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S VERY MUCH A, A WAVE OF THE FUTURE TYPE OF AN ISSUE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NOW, YOU KNOW, I HEAR, YOU KNOW, EVEN I HEARD FROM SOMEONE WHO LOVES CARD SYSTEM, BUT NEVER, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT THEY LOVE TO HAVE THAT, THEY NEVER HAD THAT HAD IT. 
          SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT PROS AND CONS COMES WITH THAT. 
          UH, EVEN SOMEONE WAS TAKING TREATMENT IN SAN ANTONIO IN HOSPITAL. 
          SHE REACHED OUT TO MY SON, SAID THAT, TELL YOUR DAD WE WANT CAR SYSTEM. 
          SO I GOT LONG MESSAGE FROM LONG WAY, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT END OF THE CONVERSATION, I TOLD HIM, AND THEN HE SAID, OKAY, UH, SHE DOESN'T CARE ANYMORE. 
          UH, BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN YOU SEE PROS AND CONS, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY SAY, OKAY, WE'LL STICK WITH THIS PLAN. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD PUT LIKE PROS AND CONS FOR EACH SYSTEM? AND ALSO THE LIMITATION OF THE CARD SYSTEM. 
          AND I SEE SOME BENEFIT OF HAVING A CARD, NOT THE TRADITIONAL CARD THAT WE HAVE. 
          SOMEONE HAVE TO COME WITH A TOTALLY DIFFERENT OUT OF THE BOX SHAPE SO THAT IT DOES NOT FLOAT EVERYWHERE. 
          AND ALSO IT ADDRESS THE QUANTITY AND ALL THESE, UH, AND ALSO THE WAY CAN BE COLLECTED FROM THE ROADSIDE SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE DUMP TRUCK. 
          ALL NEED TO CHANGE. 
          THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK THE WAY WE HAVE. 
          THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ALLEY ALLEY THAT'S 15 FEET, 10 FEET, 12 FEET WEIGHT OF THE CONCRETE. 
          UH, OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T HAVE THE BIN. 
          THEY ARE, CANNOT COLLECT IT. 
          SO SOME CITIES, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, MAKING IMPROVEMENT TO THE ALLEY GOING BIGGER AND ALL THIS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE TIME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH ROOM OF THE ALLEY, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. 
          , WE HAVE SOMETIMES 10 FEET, PROBABLY ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE 15 FEET ALLEY OR MAYBE 12 FEET. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE SOME CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF THERE'S A SECTION THAT YOU COULD ADD THIS VERSUS THIS, I KNOW YOU COVERED THAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, BUT IF YOU COULD, SOME OF THE, UH, THINGS IN THE REPORT THAT WAY, RIGHT. 
          SOMEBODY READ AND WE DON'T GET THAT KIND OF CALL. 
          YEAH, DE DEFINITELY. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT FROM A BEST, UH, PRACTICES KIND OF A STANDPOINT. 
          BUT I THINK THE UNIQUELY RICHARDSON CONSIDERATIONS ARE AS ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL, A CITY THAT'S REALLY DEVELOPED OVER 50 YEARS AND HAS TO YOUR POINT, EIGHT FOOT ALLEYS, YOU KNOW, WITH ESSENTIALLY, UH, 12 FOOT WIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OF WAY, UM, ALL THE WAY UP TO, YOU KNOW, 10 FOOT WIDE ALLEYS WITH A, AN 18 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, UH, UTILITY LINES ABOVE UTILITY LINES UNDERGROUND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO MANY, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRAY CHANGES BETWEEN REAR YARDS AND ALLEYS. 
          I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A DOZEN PHYSICAL CONSIDERATIONS, UM, THAT GO WAY BEYOND, YOU KNOW, COLLECTION FREQUENCIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          AND SO WE CAN HAVE A PRO AND A CON AT A HIGH LEVEL AND THEN DRILL DOWN EVEN FURTHER AND REALLY KIND OF MAKE THAT RICHARDSON UNIQUE AND SPECIFIC. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, THOSE ARE GREAT. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, THOSE ARE ALREADY BUILT AND WE HAVE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL, FREE ALONG THE ALLEYWAY AND WE DON'T MIND, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ELECTRICITY BECAUSE OF THE TREE CAUSING THAT. 
          SO BECAUSE WE LOVE THE TREE SO MUCH, UH, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ARE LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT SOMEDAY WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT CARD DESIGN. 
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UH, MAYBE SHARK TANK WILL START SOME PROCESS THAT OKAY, DESIGN SOMETHING, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT UNTIL THAT I'M NOT REALLY HAPPY THAT WAY. 
          WE HAVE THINGS DONE. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT REJECTION. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL, OVERALL THE US THE FORGET ABOUT THE OUTSIDE WORLD. 
          WE DON'T CARE WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UH, WE JUST, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST HERE. 
          UH, AND UH, I'M JUST MAKING CORRECTIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY THAT YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T CARE THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I DO CARE THE WHOLE WORLD. 
          UH, BUT WE CANNOT CHANGE THE COLLECTION OF THE TRASH ABOUT OTHER SIDE. 
          SO THIS, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMETHING, BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK PEOPLE LOVE THE WAY I HEAR THAT, THAT TWICE A WEEK COLLECTION, I DON'T THINK ANY RIGHT NOW ANYBODY WOULD LIKE ANYTHING OTHERWISE I HEAR PEOPLE WOULD BE PAYING A LITTLE MORE IF THEY NEED TO, TO KEEP THAT UP. 
          SO I SEE THAT FOR SOMETIMES IT'LL BE LIKE THAT. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK THE COST IS GONNA BE PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD COLLECTING FROM THE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS, BUT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE HAVING ENOUGH MANPOWER TO DO THE JOB ON CHINA. 
          SO THOSE, THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          AND ALSO, I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAD PUT THOSE MAN HOURS THAT USED OVER TIME AND ALL THIS. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT THIS IS JOB OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BUT WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN A MASTER PLAN, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CATCH SOME OF THE DETAIL, WHAT YOU CAUGHT IN YOUR REPORT. 
          SO THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS THAT WILL HELP BOTH THE STAFF, BOTH THE COUNCIL AND BOTH PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING, UH, HOW TO MANAGE THIS THING MORE EFFECTIVELY. 
          UH, SO THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE STAYING THE WAY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          COLLECTION. 
          AND NOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBER THAT YOU KNOW IS A FOUR IS ABOUT 75% IC COLLECTION, RIGHT? THE CALL UP TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY DO NOT NEED IT OR HOW MANY TIMES PER YEAR THEY NEED IT THAT, AND THEN HAVE FOR ANOTHER MAYBE 25 PERSON OR LIST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I CAN SHOW YOU THAT ANSWER REAL QUICK. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THAT IT WAS 75% THAT JUST NEEDED UP TO THE FOUR TIMES PER YEAR. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ANY STATISTICS THAT SHOWS THAT THE MAX NUMBER RANGE THAT HOW MANY TIMES REALLY, UH, BECAUSE NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY HOUSES THAT PROBABLY DON'T EVEN CALL. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT, YEAH, WE DON'T, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL DATA ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME ANECDOTAL INFORMATION THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT, UH, WOULD USE THE SERVICE WAY MORE THAN SAY, FIVE TIMES A YEAR. 
          AND MAYBE THEY'RE A, A, A LANDSCAPER OR A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT'S TAKING A ADVANTAGE OF, OF THE CITY'S GREAT PROGRAM. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY, MAYBE I'M ASKING TOO MUCH TO GET THE REAL ACTUAL DATA INSTEAD OF THE, JUST, JUST HAVING THESE CHARGES IS GREAT, BUT HAVE SOME ACTUAL DATA. 
          MAYBE THE PRESENTATION WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE DATA RELATED TO HOW MANY TIMES A GIVEN HOUSEHOLD CALLS IN AND REQUESTS? WE HAVE THAT DATA. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE IS, SO THIS IS NOT JUST, THIS ISN'T JUST RECENT. 
          UM, THIS IS DECADES OF BEING INVOLVED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          THE, THERE'S A OVERESTIMATION ABOUT HOW MUCH THE ABUSERS ACTUALLY ABUSE AND HOW MUCH THAT ABUSE COSTS. 
          REALLY, IT'S JUST LIKE IN EVERYTHING WE DO, IT'S A VERY NUMBER, IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF REALLY BAD ACTORS WHO ARE NOT, THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GA OF THE SYSTEM. 
          THEY'RE GAMING THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, WHEN WE GET, WHEN WE SEE THAT PATTERN DEVELOP PUBLIC SERVICES, WE'LL COMMUNICATE THAT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THEN WE WILL PUT THOSE PEOPLE ON NOTICE AND THEN WE WILL, LIKE A BETTER WORD, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL CONSISTENTLY MONITOR THEM AND TRACK THEIR, THEIR HOME AND, AND THEN, UM, AND, AND USUALLY CAN BE PRETTY EFFECTIVE IN DETERMINING, I MEAN, IF YOU SEE A LOT OF TREE LIMBS AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREES ON THE, THE, THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN MAKE A PRETTY GOOD CASE THAT IT CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO WE, WE WE'RE PRETTY EFFECTIVE AT DEALING WITH THE BIG ABUSERS. 
          UM, THE, THE, I THINK THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE IS A POINT THAT WENT BY PRETTY QUICK EARLIER WAS THE EDUCATION. 
          I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ABUSING THE SYSTEM JUST DON'T PUT, JUST DON'T USE BAIK EFFECTIVELY. 
          SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE 15 TO 20 PERSON UP THERE THAT THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THINGS. 
          IT'S PROBABLY THE PERSON THAT DOES IT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAYS EARLIER, QUARTERLY, IT'S PROBABLY THE PERSON THAT DOES IT SIX OR EIGHT TIMES A YEAR. 
          WHEN IN REALITY IF THEY WERE JUST THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW THEY WERE USING BABIC, THEY COULD PROBABLY DO IT THREE TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR. 
          YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. 
          MY CONCERN WAS NOT REALLY THE ABUSERS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT 
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COULD BE JUST ONLY HANDFUL, THOSE KIND OF PRACTICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO MY CONCERN, UH, IT'S NOT A CONCERN, IT'S JUST I WANTED TO SEE REALLY HOW, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY PEOPLE, LIKE YOU SAID, USE THE SYSTEM. 
          YEAH. 
          SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU THROW THAT IDEA, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE CALL FOR SOMETHING TO PICK UP, LIKE THEY PUT THE OLD REFRIGERATOR OUTSIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT BY THAT TIME, THE BABY COMES, SOMEBODY ELSE PICKED UP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, AND WHEN THE BABY COMES, THEY WILL NOT FIND ANYTHING. 
          UH, SO THOSE ARE NOT MY CONCERN. 
          I'M GLAD THAT SOMEBODY PICKED UP AND USING THAT SOME OTHER PURPOSE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE SOME NUMBER. 
          I LIKE WE CAN PROVIDE THE NUMBERS. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY INTERESTING, UM, WEATHER EVENTS AND, UH, I, THE, THE, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS ARE, ARE GONNA BE, ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE UNIQUELY SKEWED I THINK, TO THE HIGHER USAGE. 
          UM, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT, UH, COMING OUTTA MAY 28TH THAT HAD TO CALL BABA THREE OR FOUR TIMES 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T PUT EVERYTHING ON THE PARKWAY, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO MAYBE IF, IF WE CAN, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TAKE FIVE YEARS EVER. 
          YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN. 
          AND COMPARE AND SEE HOW THAT IS HAPPENING. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY PICKS UP FROM THE ROADSIDE, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVEN, YOU KNOW, UH, FREE AND OTHER THINGS AND THEY RECYCLE THIS THING, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE GREAT. 
          UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION. 
          I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE CONCERN THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IF THAT'S ILLEGAL, ILLEGAL, THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND YOUR CALL. 
          BUT IF I SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE RECYCLING THOSE THINGS, THOSE ARE GREAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE SOME NUMBERS OKAY. 
          HOW THAT'S, UH, GOING. 
          WE'LL PROVIDE THOSE, WE'LL PROVIDE THOSE EVEN BEFORE WE WRAP UP THE, THE STUDY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ALSO SEE SOME KIND OF COST BENEFIT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU CAN, UH, COME UP WITH COST BENEFIT ANALYZES FOR THE RECYCLING, FOR BABY COLLECTION AND ALL KIND OF THINGS, UH, BECAUSE NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE TIME YOU CAN COMPARE ONLY COST WITH OTHER BENEFITS. 
          SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO COME UP WITH A SHOW, SOMETHING THAT'S INDUSTRY PRACTICE, YOU CAN SHOW THAT IN THE CHART. 
          IF NOT, I'M OKAY WITH THIS. 
          THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. DOEN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? YES, YES, I DO. 
          I, I'LL JUST TAKE ONE SECOND. 
          I JUST WANT TO, UM, A COUPLE THINGS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT. 
          I JUST WANNA, UM, CONVEY, UH, I KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS I'VE SPOKEN TO OVER TIME ARE, ARE AGAINST THE CART, UH, PICKUP PROCESS. 
          THEY, THEY DO PREFER THE CURRENT, UH, TRASH BAG PICKUP AND THE RECYCLE PICKUP. 
          THEY LIKE THE BOUTIQUE SERVICE AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE TO KEEP IT BOUTIQUE. 
          UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE, UH, RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, AND TO YOUR POINT, UM, COUNCILMAN SHILL AND, AND DON'S POINT TOO ABOUT, UH, THE ALLEYS BEING TOO NARROW. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          BUT THERE'S OTHER, ANOTHER POINT THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. 
          AND FOR EVERYONE THAT'S LISTENING, A LOT OF THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES, THEY'RE BUILT VERY CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE LITTLE SCREENING WALLS, UH, OR WING WALLS THEY CALL THEM ON THE FRONT OF THEIR HOME. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE BUILD FENCES ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT PROPERTY LINE. 
          THEREFORE, IN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FI A GATE ON THE FRONT OF YOUR HOME, YOU CAN'T REALLY TRAVEL WITH A CART OR EVEN A LAWNMOWER TO GO OUT FRONT AND CUT YOUR LAWN. 
          YOU CAN'T TRAVEL BACK AND FORTH TO THE FRONT. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TO PUT A LOT OF YOUR STUFF IN THE BACK OR TRAVEL THROUGH YOUR HOME OR IN THE WAY IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS AN OPENING BETWEEN THE HOMES, YOU COULD WALK ON EITHER PERSON'S GRASS. 
          UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERATE ABOUT THAT, BUT A LOT ARE NOT. 
          SO THEREFORE YOU HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE THERE WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO TRA HAVE THE CART TRAVEL THROUGH THE FRONT AND THE BACK AND YOU, AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S REALLY ALL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR, IF I CAN JUST TAKE ONE SECOND, UH, MAYOR COUNSEL, UM, WITH SCOTT HERE, I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO REC, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CALIBRATE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE PREPARING TO BRING BACK TO YOU IS, IS, UM, A MASTER PLAN THAT INCLUDES BOTH SHORT, MID AND LONG TERM. 
          THE SHORT TERM, UM, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE, UH, BOTH, UH, WE'LL FOCUS MOSTLY ON THE OPERATIONS IN TERMS OF, UH, ENHANCEMENTS AND TWEAKS THAT WE CAN MAKE. 
          UH, IF THEIR POLICY CONSIDERATIONS, THOSE WILL COME TO THE COUNCIL. 
          IF THEIR OPERATIONS, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CONSIDERATION THAT'LL STAY WITH CITY STAFF, WE'LL MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. 
          AND IF THEY HAVE BUDGET IMPLICATIONS, WE'LL DISCUSS THOSE DURING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          WE INTEND TO, UM, ALSO, UH, WITH THOSE, THOSE POLICY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WE'LL HAVE BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS OR, UH, AMERIPRO ATTEMPT TO YOUR POINT, A VALUE PROPOSITION, IS IT REALLY WORTH SOMETHING? AND THEN WE'LL PRIORITIZE THOSE FOR YOU ON THE MID AND THE LONG TERM. 
          UH, THOSE WILL BE MORE PATHWAYS TO, UH, POTENTIAL TRANSITIONS OVER THE LONG TERM IN SERVICES. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CARTS AND OTHER, OTHER POTENTIAL, UH, TRANSITIONS. 
          UM, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY, UH, BRING YOU, UM, THE, THOSE COST CONSIDERATIONS 
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IN TERMS OF CAPITAL AND OPERATIONS OVER THE LONG HAUL. 
          AND THEN WE'LL ALSO, UH, TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT PHASING OPPORTUNITIES OR EVEN PILOT PROGRAMS FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE COULD, UM, WE COULD, WE COULD, UM, INCORPORATE. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT. 
          IF THAT SOUNDS OKAY. 
          I JUST REALLY WANTED TO CALIBRATE TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          UH, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE WE'LL BE BRINGING YOU BACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. MAGNER. 
          SCOTT, GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADD, I GUESS ONE LITTLE THOUGHT AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW, AS I LISTENED AND LOOKED AT THE SCREEN, YOU WERE TALKING BEST PRACTICES OR PRACTICES THEN IT MIGHT LEAD YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE LOOK AT POSSIBLY DOING THIS. 
          UM, TIME IS MONEY. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE TO THAT. 
          AND I SAW THE PICTURE OF THE END LOADER ON WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IN MOST OF OUR ALLEYS. 
          WE COULDN'T GO ASIDE LOADER FOR THE BA FOR THE CART. 
          SO IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THERE WAS ONLY ROOM FOR ONE OF THOSE. 
          SO AS YOU COME DOWN OUR ALLEY, YOU'VE GOT A HOUSE ON THIS SIDE, A HOUSE ON THAT SIDE. 
          I WONDER HOW LONG IT REALLY TAKES TO DO TWO CANS. 
          WHEREAS IN TODAY'S WORLD, WE HAVE A GUY ON EACH SIDE OF THE TRUCK WE THROW IT IN AND WHERE THE TRUCK BARELY STOPS. 
          SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS OR THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES TO EFFICIENTLY PICK UP ALL THE TRASH, I'D BE REAL INTERESTED IN COMPARING THOSE TWO AS WE LOOK AT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THERE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE BECAUSE SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE RESTRICTIVE, WE KNOW OF ALL THOSE ONES THAT REALLY DON'T REALLY MAKE IT, IS THERE A HYBRID SYSTEM, ONE SIDE OF TOWN WE DO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SIDE, OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRUCKS. 
          SO ANYWAY, I'LL THROW THAT OUT JUST AS LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT AND UM, I THINK WE CAN CLOSE THIS TRASH DOWN. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          SAFE TRAVELS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY, WE'RE 
          [B. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE FIRE SERVICES ASSESSMENT REPORT]
GONNA GO NOW BACK TO ITEM B REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE FIRE SERVICES ASSESSMENT REPORT. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 
          UM, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE CHIEF VY AND HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM HERE, AND I'LL LET, UH, CHIEF, UH, INTRODUCE, UH, JOE. 
          UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TONIGHT IS A, IS A, UH, INDEPENDENT, UH, UH, REVIEW OF OUR, BOTH OUR FIRE AND OUR EMS SERVICES BY, UM, PROBABLY THE GROUP THAT, UH, IS MOST QUALIFIED IN THE UNITED STATES, MAYBE EVEN IN THE WORLD, TO, TO PROVIDE THAT 30 PARTY ASSESSMENT. 
          IT'S AN IMPORTANT ASSESSMENT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA, UH, USE THIS AS A, UH, A, A MAJOR CONSIDERATION AND FACTOR, UH, AS, UH, CHIEF AND HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM PUT TOGETHER A MASTER PLAN THAT THEY'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU IN, UH, Q1 OF 2025, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION AND, AND, UH, AND ACTION. 
          AND SO CHIEF, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US HERE TONIGHT. 
          I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND JOE FOR FURTHER BRIEFING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, VERY EXCITED TO BRING THIS TO YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, JUST GETTING TO THIS POINT. 
          UH, OUR TEAM WITH US TONIGHT IS ASSISTANT CHIEF YOUNGER AND ASSISTANT CHIEF CASKEY, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEF CENTER. 
          IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, BUT HE IS DEPLOYED WITH TEXAS TASK FORCE TWO OUT WORKING THESE STORMS FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE. 
          SO, UH, WE PRAY FOR ALL THEIR SAFETY AND THEY GET BACK SAFE. 
          ALSO HAVE, UH, MR. JOE POZO WITH THE CENTER OF, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT THAT WILL BE DOING THE MAIN PART OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO TONIGHT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE MASTER PLAN AND KINDA UPDATE WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT AND GET THE, UH, THE, UH, PRESENTATION FROM OUR CONSULTANT. 
          BUT THE REASON FOR TONIGHT'S BRIEFING IS TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS, KINDA WHERE, WHAT WE DID TO GET TO THIS POINT. 
          UH, GO THROUGH THE, THE REPORT AND THEN TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. 
          SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS A STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN REALLY DEALT WITH MORE OF, UM, APPARATUS PURCHASES, WHAT YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. 
          MAJOR PURCHASES LIFE PACKS, THINGS THAT WERE REALLY EXPENSIVE TO KIND OF GIVE MANAGEMENT A, A LOOK AHEAD AT, AT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FINANCIALLY. 
          UM, IN 2017, WE HAD A VERY SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER IN FIRE DEPARTMENT MANAGEMENT. 
          AND WE STARTED START LOOKING AT THE FUTURE AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND ASKING THE QUESTIONS, WHAT'S NEXT? WE HAD GREAT FACILITIES. 
          WHAT FACILITIES WERE BAD WERE BEING RE REPLACED, REBUILT STATION FIVE, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, WAS IN THE PLANS. 
          WE HAD GREAT EQUIPMENT, WE HAD FANTASTIC PEOPLE, AND WE'RE SURVIVING, WE'RE DOING GOOD. 
          SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT, WELL, WHAT'S NEXT? UH, REALLY WHAT KEYED IT OFF, UH, TEED IT OFF FOR US IS WE STARTED WORKING CLOSELY WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT ALL OF THE ZONING CASES THAT YOU HEAR. 
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AND WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH THEM, WHICH WAS NEW TO US, IT REALLY STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER THAT WHAT WAS ON THE GROUND, WHAT'S COMING, WHAT'S GOING TO ZONING, WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT JUST HADN'T BROKE GROUND YET. 
          CHIEF CASKEY GETS TO WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REGULARLY ABOUT WHAT A PROJECT IS, BUT REALLY WE DIDN'T PUT THAT TOGETHER. 
          WE STARTED LOOKING AS A WHOLE, UH, LIKE I SAID, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          AND THEN COVID KIND OF THREW A KINK IN THAT WE STARTED THINKING OKAY, AND LOOKING AT IT AND PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER, SAID, OKAY, WE ARE GOOD NOW, BUT WE'RE GONNA FALL BEHIND QUICKLY. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY STARTED DIGGING INTO IT, PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER, THROWING SOME NUMBERS. 
          AGAIN, WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO TO THE TRAFFIC? ALL OF THAT. 
          AND OUR STAFF REALLY WORKED DILIGENTLY AND COME UP WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT THE NEXT 10 YEARS NEEDED TO LOOK LIKE. 
          WHAT DO WE NEED TO ADD TO THE DEPARTMENT? JUST LIKE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, IF YOU ADD MORE BUILDINGS, MORE PEOPLE AND ALL THAT, YOU GOTTA UPDATE THE WATER LINES AND THE SEWER AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL. 
          UM, SO WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN, WHAT WE REALLY THOUGHT, WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE, TALKING WITH MR. MAGNER FOR, FOR SOME TIME, SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY DID LOTS OF DISCUSSING AND CAME BACK TO WE REALLY NEED MORE DETAILS, MORE DATA. 
          AND REACHED OUT, STARTED TALKING TO SOME OF MY PEERS. 
          UM, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE COME ACROSS, UH, THE IDEA OF, LIKE I SAID, THE CONSULTANT DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND REALLY LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS AND LANDED ON CPSM CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT FOR SEVERAL REASONS. 
          UM, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. 
          IT'S BEEN GREAT. 
          JOE'S AWESOME TO WORK WITH AND HE'S PUT A PLAN TOGETHER. 
          AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE WE ALMOST NAILED IT,  BETWEEN OUR PLAN AND THEIRS. 
          THERE. 
          THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCES, BUT WE WERE REALLY CLOSE IN OUR THOUGHTS. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR IS FROM JOE TONIGHT ON THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY FOUND OF THE, UH, THE RISK ASSESSMENT OF THE CITY, UH, SOME INITIATIVES GOING FORTH THAT WE REALLY, UH, WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND, UH, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO TWO THINGS TO NOTE TONIGHT THAT I REALLY WANT YOU TO KNOW. 
          AND JUST A QUICK REFRESHER ON OUR VEHICLES. 
          SO ON OUR FIRE APPARATUS, THE BIG TRUCKS, WE HAVE ENGINES. 
          THAT'S THE PUMPER, THAT'S THE ONES WITHOUT THE BIG LADDER ON TOP. 
          OKAY? THEN WE HAVE A TRUCK. 
          THE TRUCK IS TRUCK FOUR, THE BIG TAN MAXWELL TRUCK, BIG AERIAL ON TOP. 
          AND A THEN WE HAVE QUINCE, WHICH ARE SMALLER VEHICLES, UH, FIRE APPARATUS THAT ARE AN ENGINE WITH A BIG LADDER ON TOP. 
          AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, IN THE TRUCK AND THE QUINCE IS REALLY WHAT WE USE 'EM FOR. 
          THE, THE QUINCE CAN BE USED AS A TRUCK, BUT IT, IT'S A FUNCTION. 
          IT'S A, A FIRE GROUND OPERATIONAL THING THAT, THAT TRUCKS HAVE CERTAIN JOB ASSIGNMENTS, THEY CARRY CERTAIN EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, WHEN HE STARTS TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT ENGINES, TRUCKS, QUINCE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU, YOU KIND OF REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          ANY ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT REAL QUICK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT? OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          UH, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, MR. MAGNER SUMMED IT UP VERY WELL. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT OF THINGS TONIGHT AND I KNOW IN YOUR MIND YOU'RE GONNA START SEEING THOSE DOLLAR DOLLAR FIGURES. 
          IT IS, IT'S A LOT. 
          BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, WE HAVE THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN, ALL THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          SO JUST AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, KNOW THAT WE ARE VERY ON TOP OF KNOWING, UH, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THIS TO WORK WITH AND COORDINATE. 
          WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN, UH, NEXT STEPS. 
          THEN LASTLY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS THAT TAKES US TO ACTUALLY DEVELOPING THE FIRE MASTER JOE. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF VY, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT IN YOUR CITY. 
          UH, TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND YOUR EMS, UH, DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, I WILL START, UH, AND JUST SORT OF TAG ALONG WITH, UH, HOW THE CITY MANAGERS LAID THIS OUT. 
          AND THE FIRE CHIEF, THIS IS A FIRE AND EMS ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S 170 SOME PAGES OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE IT HAS TO BE FIRE AND EMS IS DRIVEN, UH, WHEN YOU STAFF AND DEPLOY FIRE AND EMS. IT'S DRIVEN BY MANY FACTORS. 
          UH, IT'S DRIVEN BY, UH, POPULATION. 
          IT'S DRIVEN BY DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          IT'S DRIVEN BY THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS YOU HAVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, UH, WHERE YOUR RESIDENTS LIVE, WHERE THEY WORK. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S DRIVEN BY THE ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? WE GOT A BUNCH OF THUNDERSTORMS 
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GOING THROUGH TONIGHT. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO PREPARE, UH, FOR YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL RISK, YOUR TRANSPORTATION RISK. 
          THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO STAFFING AND DEPLOYING FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, NOTHING I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, IS AN IMMEDIATE, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR AN IMMEDIATE INITIATIVE THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ON, UH, AT THIS COUNCIL MEETING OR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. 
          UH, YOU, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STRATEGIC INITIATIVES IN HERE, UH, THAT THE CHIEF CAN EXTRACT AND PUT INTO A FIRE MASTER PLAN AND ATTACH SOME TERMS TO IT JUST AS YOU'RE GETTING IN THE, THE 20 YEAR, UH, SOLID WASTE PLAN. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED FOR. 
          AND THIS GIVES YOU THAT FOUNDATIONAL INFORMATION. 
          UH, IT REALLY, IT HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND. 
          SO WHEN THE CHIEF COMES WITH A REQUEST, YOU UNDERSTAND, UH, WHERE THE DEMAND IS, WHERE YOUR FIRE DEMAND IS, WHERE YOUR EMS DEMAND IS, AND WHAT'S CAUSING THAT DEMAND. 
          YOU'LL UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW GROWTH IMPACTS FIRE AND EMS SERVICE DELIVERY, UH, UH, AND, AND WHAT TYPE OF IMPACT IS THAT? UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, YOU KNOW, PRESENT ONE SORT OF LOWER RISK FOR FIRE AND EMS AS OPPOSED TO A MULTI-FAMILY DWELL, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, BUILDING THAT MAY BE 3, 4, 5, OR SIX, UH, LEVELS. 
          YOU HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY IN THERE. 
          AND SO THAT TAKES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, FIRE ATTACK. 
          IT TAKES A MUCH MORE, UH, CRITICAL TASKING OR PEOPLE TO DO CERTAIN TASK, UH, TO, TO MITIGATE THAT EMERGENCY. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          AND THANK YOU, UH, MR. MAGNER, FOR YOUR KIND WORDS ON WHAT OUR SERVICE DO DOES. 
          UH, I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US. 
          UH, SO CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT. 
          WE ARE THE EXCLUSIVE PROVIDER OF PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, TECHNICAL, UH, EXPERTISE, UH, AND ASSISTANCE TO THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. 
          WE HAVE DONE, UH, WELL OVER 450 PUBLIC SAFETY STUDIES ACROSS THE, THE COUNTRY AND IN CANADA. 
          UH, AND ABOUT 220 OR SO, 225 OF THOSE HAVE BEEN FIRE AND EMS. UH, WE DO STRATEGIC AND PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLANNING. 
          UH, AGAIN, UH, WE DO LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          WE DO FIRE, WE DO EMS. WE DO 9 1 1 CENTERS. 
          WE HELP PEOPLE WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. 
          WE DO PUBLIC SAFETY CHIEF SELECTIONS, UH, AND, UH, OUR TEAMS HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. 
          UH, MOST OF THE, THE PEOPLE ON MY TEAM HAVE EITHER BEEN FIRE CHIEFS OR ASSISTANT CHIEFS OR EMS DIRECTORS. 
          SO THEY COME VERY QUALIFIED, AND THEY HAVE, UH, A WEALTH OF INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND THAT WE APPLIED TO YOUR STUDY. 
          SO, WHAT'S IT TAKE FOR ONE OF THESE? ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IS, AND WE LIKE TO BUILD ALL OF OUR, UH, ALL OF OUR ASSESSMENTS OR STRATEGIC PLANNING AROUND STAKEHOLDER INPUT. 
          UH, SO THAT INCLUDED THE COMMAND STAFF, UH, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, YOUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          WE, WE MET WITH THEM, COMMUNICATED WITH THEM. 
          SO WE HAD A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOUR GROWTH, UH, AND POPULATION INCREASES ARE GOING TO BE AND WHAT THAT POTENTIAL IS AND WHAT THE IMPACTS PERHAPS MIGHT BE. 
          UH, WE MET WITH THE FIRE ASSOCIATION. 
          WE MET WITH A COLLECTIVE GROUP OF FIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT INDIVIDUALS. 
          SO WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          UH, AND WITH ALL OF OUR STUDIES, WE DO A COMPREHENSIVE WORKLOAD AND, AND RESILIENCY AND RESPONSE TIME, UH, ANALYSIS. 
          IT SORT OF GIVES US THE FOUNDATION SO WE CAN THEN EXTRACT ALL THAT INFORMATION, APPLY IT TO GIS, AND WE CAN SHOW YOU WHERE ALL YOUR DEMAND IS. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, ALL THE BASIC THINGS, RIGHT? WE LOOK AT YOUR SERVICE COVERAGE, RESOURCE ALLOCATIONS, UH, COMMUNITY RISK, UH, WHICH WE PERFORM A COMMUNITY RISK ASSESSMENT, WHAT YOUR GROWTH IS. 
          WE USE A LOT OF NATIONAL BENCHMARKING. 
          WE LOOK AT A LOT OF BEST PRACTICES. 
          WE ARE A, UH, A DATA DRIVEN COMPANY. 
          UH, NOTHING YOU HAVE IN THAT REPORT AS ANECDOTAL. 
          UH, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS, UH, AND WE SOMETIMES USE THOSE PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO, BUT WE'RE VERY DATA DRIVEN. 
          SO IF I TELL YOU YOU NEED AN ADDITIONAL AMBULANCE, I'M GONNA POINT TO THE DATA THAT, THAT, THAT SHOWS THAT. 
          IF I TELL YOU YOU NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER FIRE STATION, I'M GONNA POINT TO THE DATA AND TRAVEL TIMES AND SHOW YOU WHY, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, TO TELL YOU NEED ADDITIONAL STAFFING FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES OR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. 
          I'LL POINT TO THEIR DATA AND TELL YOU, HEY, THIS IS WHY YOU NEED THAT. 
          SO WHAT THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO REALLY MAIN, UH, FOR, UH, FIRE IN EMS PARTICULARLY, UH, FOR FIRE, 
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UH, NATIONAL BENCHMARKING. 
          WE USE ONE'S, THE ISO UH, ASSESSMENT THAT'S PERFORMED. 
          AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, PIECE. 
          IT'S VERY BIG IN TEXAS. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME STATES AND SOME, SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTRY. 
          WELL, THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. 
          UH, BUT IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE IN, UH, TEXAS. 
          AND THAT GOES FOR PROPERTY INSURANCE. 
          THE KEY TO THE ISO THOUGH IS IT'S A COMMUNITY GRADING SYSTEM. 
          IT'S NOT JUST FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ONE PIECE. 
          IT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY PIECE. 
          THEY LOOK AT EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. 
          HOW DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RECEIVE THEIR ALARMS? HOW ARE THEY NOTIFIED? WHAT'S THE MAKEUP OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? AND THERE'S ALL KIND OF PIECES IN THERE YOU'LL SEE IN THE REPORT. 
          AND THEN, WHAT'S YOUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM? OKAY? IS IT, IS IT A MUNICIPAL SYSTEM? IS IT, IS IT JUST PONDS AND LAKES FOR RURAL? SO THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. 
          AND IT'S ONLY FOR BUILDING FIRES. 
          IT'S ONLY FOR BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S NOT FOR CAR FIRES OR DUMPSTER FIRES OR TRASH FIRES OR EMS CALLS. 
          IT'S ALL ABOUT BUILDING, UH, FIRES. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR LARGEST LIFE SAFETY RISK IS. 
          AND THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, OVER 300 CONSENSUS CONSENSUS CODES AND STANDARDS FOR THE FIRE SERVICE, FOR LIFE SAFETY. 
          UH, IT'S, UH, VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. 
          AND SOMETHING THAT WE USE AS NATIONAL BENCHMARKING. 
          SO WE GAVE YOU, UH, FIVE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES, UH, THAT WE TERM, UH, ORGANIZATIONAL RESILIENCY. 
          SO SOME THINGS IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT WILL HELP THAT BECOME MORE, UH, RESILIENT, UH, AND GIVE YOU SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE. 
          UH, ORGANIZATIONAL ORGANIZATIONAL GROWTH AND EXCELLENCE, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT THE FIRE CHIEF AND HIS STAFF HAVE TO PLAN ON, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? YOUR FLEET, YOUR FACILITIES, THE EQUIPMENT AND TYPES OF EQUIPMENT. 
          'CAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF TYPES OF EQUIPMENT, UH, TO SUCCESSFULLY MITIGATE EMERGENCIES AND FIRE AND EMS. AND THAT'S CONSTANTLY CHANGING, CONSTANTLY CHANGING. 
          UH, ENSURING A RESILIENT COMMUNITY. 
          YOU CERTAINLY WANT TO DO THAT THROUGH COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION. 
          UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER INITIATIVE INITIATIVES IN THERE WE SPEAK TO ABOUT MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          THOSE ARE BIG FOR, UH, YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE RESILIENCE THERE. 
          AND THEN, UH, RESOURCE OPTIMIZATION AND EFFECTIVE DEPLOYMENT. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE YOUR BIG DOLLARS ARE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE FIRE AND THE MS DEPLOYMENT, THAT'S PEOPLE, THAT'S STAFFING, THAT'S FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES, AND NONE OF THAT'S GETTING ANY CHEAPER, UH, FIRE APPARATUS TODAY. 
          UH, CUSTOM FIRE, THE ENGINES THE CHIEF WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, THEY'RE ABOUT 800,000 TO A MILLION DOLLARS NOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPENDING ON THE MANUFACTURER AND HOW YOU SPEC THOSE OUT. 
          LADDER TRUCKS, A MILLION AND A HALF TO $2 MILLION. 
          AND THAT CONTINUALLY GOES UP. 
          AMBULANCES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE 350 TO 400,000. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF COST IN, UH, FIRE AND EMS. IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN POLICE. 
          SO OUR GAP ANALYSIS. 
          SO WHAT WE DO IS WE DO A GAP ANALYSIS, RIGHT? GIVES US ALL THAT FOUNDATIONAL INFORMATION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, SIX STATIONS, AND AS THE CHIEF SAID, YOU HAVE SOME ENGINES. 
          IN SOME STATIONS, YOU HAVE SOME QUINCE, SOME STATIONS, UH, YOU HAVE ONE STATION THAT'S A DUAL HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S GOT AN ENGINE AND A LADDER OR A TRUCK COMPANY. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME SPECIALTY PIECES THERE. 
          HAZMAT, UH, YOU HAVE A BRUSH TRUCK. 
          UH, YOU'VE GOT A, A RESCUE VEHICLE. 
          UH, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE CROSS STAFFED. 
          UH, THOSE SPECIALTY PIECES, MEANING, UH, THAT, THAT WHEN THOSE ARE NEEDED, THEY STAFF 'EM, THAT PARTICULAR ENGINE, LIKE AT FIVE, THEY STAFF THE HAZMAT. 
          SO THEY GO OUT ON THE HAZMAT. 
          WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS THOUGH, UH, WHEN THEY GO OUT, UH, THE ENGINE IS, IS, IS UNMANNED AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT. 
          BUT THAT'S AN EFFICIENT WAY TO DO BUSINESS BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T EVERYDAY RESPONSES. 
          THOSE ARE SORT OF SPECIALTY RESPONSES. 
          BUT WE'VE EVEN GIVEN YOU SOME IDEAS ABOUT THE TECHNICAL RESCUE PIECE AND, AND HOW YOU CAN CONVERT SOME OF YOUR ENGINE COMPANIES INTO WHAT WE CALL RESCUE ENGINES, WHICH IS JUST PUTTING THAT RESCUE EQUIPMENT ON A COUPLE OF ENGINE COMPANIES, TRAINING THOSE PEOPLE UP. 
          AND NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT CROSS STAFFING ANYMORE. 
          AND YOU, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY A HEAVY RESCUE TRUCK, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE STAFFING TOWARDS THAT. 
          SO WE'VE GIVEN YOU, UH, SOME, SOME INITIATIVES ON THAT. 
          YOU HAVE A BASIC ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. 
          YOU HAVE A FIRE CHIEF, YOU HAVE A COMMAND STAFF, UH, AND THEN IT SORT OF GOES DOWN TO WHERE YOU GET TO THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE, AND THE PARAMEDICS AND, UH, AND THEN YOUR MIDDLE MANAGEMENT. 
          NOTHING THERE IS OUT OF ORDER. 
          UH, HERE'S YOUR GROWTH. 
          YOU'VE SEEN THE, UH, THE, THE CHART ON THE LEFT. 
          UH, YOU'VE GOT YOUR CENSUS DOWN THERE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT. 
          THE, THE KEY TO THIS IS YOUR POPULATION IS INCREASING AND HAS BEEN INCREASING, AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. 
          IT'S PROJECTED TO INCREASE THROUGH 2045. 
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UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE YOU LOOK AT THERE, WE'LL JUST SAY ANYWHERE BETWEEN 135 TO 150,000 PEOPLE. 
          THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT ALL OF YOUR PUBLIC SERVICES, PARTICULARLY FIRE AND EMS. THIS POPULATION GOES UP, DEMAND GOES UP, PARTICULARLY EMS DEMAND. 
          THAT'S ONE OF YOUR BIGGER DEMAND PIECES THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP AS YOUR POPULATION GOES UP. 
          UH, THIS IS YOUR POPULATION DENSITY ON THE LEFT. 
          UH, IT, IT REALLY MATCHES WHAT YOUR, YOUR LAND USE MAP IS THERE ON THE RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE HEAVILY POPULATED. 
          YOU HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE, UH, AS WE GO ON, MATCHES YOUR DEMAND. 
          EMS DEMAND IS THE BIGGEST. 
          THAT'S THE BLUE BLOB. 
          AND THAT'S SORT OF ORANGE BLOB. 
          ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS ARE YOUR FIRE CALLS. 
          THESE ARE YOUR 20, 23 NUMBERS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY IS WHERE YOUR HEAVIER DEMAND IS, UH, NOT QUITE IN THE PANHANDLE, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE IN THE PANHANDLE. 
          AND WHERE IT IS POPULATED, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DEMAND. 
          UH, AND SO THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO, UH, TO GO UP WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, YOUR DENSITY WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR POPULATION. 
          AND THEN WHERE ARE THE BUSIER COMPANIES, RIGHT? WHO'S THE BUSIEST? SO STATION ONE IS THE BUSIEST. 
          UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, ON THE MAPS THERE, WHERE THAT'S LOCATED. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU GOT STATIONS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX. 
          AND THAT'S HOW THE, THE, THE DEMAND IS STATION ONE'S, THE BUSIEST TWO'S, THE SECOND BUSIEST. 
          HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. 
          UH, SO YOU'RE AN ANOMALY, JUST HOW YOU'VE NUMBERED THOSE OUT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE RUNS. 
          OKAY? SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT FIRE AND EMS, UH, WORKLOAD RUNS AND, AND, AND CALLS. 
          A CALL IS A SINGLE UNIT. 
          SO THE BELL GOES OFF, A SINGLE UNIT GOES TO A CALL. 
          THAT'S A COUNT. 
          THERE ARE MANY CALLS IN THE FIRE SERVICE THAT, THAT INCLUDE MORE THAN ONE UNIT. 
          SO THAT GETS COUNTED AS A RUN. 
          SO ALL OF THE UNITS RESPONDING THERE, UH, GET, GET COUNTED ALL, ALL IN THE RUN. 
          SO IF STATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, GO OUT ON A CALL, EACH OF THEM GET CREDIT AS A RUN FOR THAT SINGLE ONE CALL. 
          UH, SO REALLY THAT'S YOUR TRUER WORKLOAD. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU'RE A VERY BUSY FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE DID A THREE YEAR ANALYSIS, UH, SOMETHING WE ALWAYS DO. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE TRENDS. 
          UH, AND SO YOUR, YOUR CALLS, YOU CAN SEE FROM 2021 TO, UH, 2022 WENT UP, CAME DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN 2023. 
          UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, THE CORRESPONDING RUNS GO WITH THAT. 
          BUT YOU SEE THE RUNS IN EACH ONE OF THOSE YEARS IS ABOUT EIGHT OR 9,000 MORE THAN THE CALLS. 
          SO THOSE ARE YOUR MULTI-UNIT, UH, TYPES OF, UH, CALLS. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT RUNS, REALLY THE RUNS REALLY REPRESENT THE ACTUAL WORKLOAD OF THE FIRE AND THE MS DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO IN 2023, THERE'S 22,000 RUNS. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THEY'RE UP AND DOWN THE ROAD ALL THE TIME. 
          INTERESTING, UH, INTERESTING COMPARISON HERE, RIGHT? SO WE, WE LOOKED AT FROM 2020 TO 2023, BUT IF YOU JUST SORT OF FOCUS ON THE CENSUS YEARS, UH, BETWEEN 2000, 2009 CALLS WENT UP 15%. 
          UH, AGAIN, THE NEXT 10 YEAR PERIOD, UP 42% FOLLOWS YOUR POPULATION INCREASE, RIGHT? SO POPULATION WENT UP 9% CALLS GO UP, 15% POPULATION GOES UP, ANOTHER 20% CALLS GO UP 42%. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE TREND TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND AS GROWTH CONTINUES, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE GET TO, UH, AS THE CHIEF DEVELOPS HIS FIRE MASTER PLAN WHEN HE COMES TO COUNCIL, UH, IN FOUR, AN ADDITIONAL UNIT HERE OR AN ADDITIONAL UNIT HERE. 
          AND WE BASED ALL OF THOSE, UH, ASSUMPTIONS ON DEMAND AND WHERE THAT DEMAND IS GOING TO GO. 
          AND RESILIENCE IS THE OTHER PIECE IN FIRE. 
          AND EMS WHEN THE ENGINE AND THE AMBULANCE ARE OUT STATION TWO, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY OR STATION ONE, OR STATION FOUR AND FIVE, THOSE ARE YOUR BUSIEST, YOU KNOW, FIVE STATIONS, WHEN THOSE UNITS ARE OUT, IT'S A LONGER RESPONSE FOR THE NEXT END COMPANY OR THE NEXT END AMBULANCE TO GET THERE. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE TAKING MAYBE A FOUR OR FIVE MINUTE TRAVEL TIME FOR THAT FIRST DUE ENGINE OR AMBULANCE, AND NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOUBLING IT SOMETIMES RIGHT TO EIGHT, NINE OR 10 MINUTES. 
          SO THAT'S THE RESILIENCE PIECE. 
          UH, AND, AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, QUITE BUSY. 
          SO YOU HAVE SOME RESILIENCY, SOME MODERATE RESILIENCY, UH, ISSUES. 
          SO, 
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UH, SOME KEY FINDINGS, RIGHT? SO JUST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ITSELF, YOU HAVE A GREAT FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          HAVE A GREAT FIRE CHIEF. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING IT BECAUSE HE'S SITTING HERE. 
          UH, I, I WOULD SAY IT, UH, AND I SAY IT WHEN I NEED TO SAY IT, BUT YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD FIRE CHIEF COMMAND STAFF VERY ENGAGED IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          THERE WASN'T ANYTHING I ASKED FOR. 
          MY TEAM ASKED FOR IT. 
          WE DIDN'T GET VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROCESS. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND I WILL TELL YOU ALSO, THIS ISN'T ONE FIRE CHIEF HELPING ANOTHER FIRE CHIEF. 
          I GO ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          I DON'T HAVE A BIAS FOR RICHARDSON. 
          I DON'T HAVE A BIAS FOR CHIEF PUY. 
          WHAT I HAVE A BIAS FOR IS WHAT'S THE DATA TELLING ME SO THAT I CAN TELL YOU, BECAUSE I NEED TO PREPARE YOU FOR WHAT THE FUTURE MAY BE AND WHAT THE IMPACTS MAY BE. 
          BUT YOU'RE VERY GOOD. 
          CHIEF YOUNG TOOK ME AROUND TO EVERY FIRE STATION. 
          I LOOKED AT EVERY FIRE STATION, I LOOKED AT ALL THE FLEET, AND HERE'S HOW I CAN TELL YOU HAVE A GOOD FIRE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE I USED TO GO AROUND TO FIRE STATIONS WHEN I WAS A FIRE CHIEF. 
          ALL THE SHIRT TAILS ARE TUCKED IN, ALL THE HAIRS CUT, EVERYBODY SHAVES, ALL THE SHOES ARE SHINED. 
          ALL THE APPARATUS IS CLEAN. 
          ALL THE FIRE STATIONS ARE CLEAN. 
          THEY TAKE CARE. 
          THEY HAVE PRIDE. 
          THAT'S PRIDE. 
          THEY HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE IN WHAT THEY DO. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK LIKE A FIREFIGHTER, GOD BLESS YOU. 
          IF YOU LOOK LIKE A FIREFIGHTER AND YOUR APPARATUS LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE PRIDE IN YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHAT KIND OF SERVICE ARE YOU DELIVERING? YOU'RE DELIVERING A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          UH, SO YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          ALL OF YOUR RISK, TYPICAL OF ANY URBAN SUBURBAN CITY THAT WE STUDY, YOU'VE GOT TRA, YOU'VE GOT ALL KIND OF TRANSPORTATION RISK, OKAY? YOU GOT FREEWAYS, YOU GOT A TURNPIKE, YOU GOT ALL TYPES OF ROAD SYSTEMS. UH, YOU'VE GOT MASS TRANSIT, YOU GOT BUSES RUNNING THROUGH HERE WITH PEOPLE ON IT. 
          YOU GOT A TRAIN RUNNING THROUGH HERE WITH PEOPLE ON IT. 
          YOU GOT FREIGHT, UH, THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE. 
          FREIGHT TRAINS. 
          YOU GOT A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS GOING ON IN, IN, IN THIS PART OF TEXAS, RIGHT? YOU GET EXTREME TEMPERATURES, YOU GET EXTREME HOT, YOU GET EXTREME COLD. 
          WE'RE GETTING EXTREME THUNDERSTORMS TODAY. 
          UH, I LIVE IN FLORIDA. 
          I MEAN, IT GETS HOT IN FLORIDA, BUT IT DOESN'T GET HOT. 
          LIKE IT GETS HOT HERE, OKAY? WE GET HOT AND WE JUST STAY HOT. 
          YOU GET HOT HERE AND YOU HAVE SEVERAL DAYS OF RIGHT OVER A HUNDRED DEGREES, AND THEN YOU GET VERY COLD. 
          SO YOU'VE HAD SOME PERIODS HERE WHERE YOU, WHERE, WHERE YOU'VE HAD SOME VERY COLD WINTERS. 
          UH, SO GOT A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS GOING ON. 
          UH, AND YOU HAVE, UH, YOU GOT A RIVER THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE, RIGHT? SO YOU GET A LOT OF RAIN, YOU GOT SOME POTENTIAL FLOODING. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THEY HAVE TO PREPARE FOR. 
          GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES. 
          SINGLE FAMILY IS YOUR, IS YOUR NUMBER ONE TYPE OF BUILDING, RIGHT? SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. 
          THEN YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS, RIGHT? YOU GOT APARTMENTS, YOU JUST, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SORT OF STANDARD TRADITIONAL APARTMENTS. 
          AND YOU GOT A LOT OF MULTILEVEL. 
          I I, I CAME IN SORT OF THE BACK WAY OFF OF 75. 
          UM, AND I'M DRIVING THROUGH THAT, THAT FIRST EXIT WHEN YOU GET, GET OFF OF 75 OFF THE TURNPIKE AND IT TAKES YOU THROUGH GLEN SOMETHING. 
          WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT STREET? AM I MISSING SOMETHING? ? YES, I RODE THROUGH THERE. 
          THAT'S A BEAU. 
          YEAH, I WOULD JUST A REALLY NICE PART OF YOUR CITY, OKAY? BUT I WAS VERY OBSERVANT. 
          GOT A LOT OF MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL THERE. 
          KEEP THAT IN MIND IN THE WAY THE STREETS ARE MADE, OKAY? IN THE, IN THE TYPES OF STREET NETWORK YOU HAVE IN THERE, UH, THE SETBACKS OF THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          SO KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE WHEN WE GET TO SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICE DELIVERABLES, IT'S KEY TO TO, TO SORT OF WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AND MAYBE WHAT YOU HAVE PLANNED, GOT MIXED USE, UH, WHICH IS, THAT'S A BIG THING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          NOW, DENSITY AND MIXED USE IS A BIG THING, RIGHT? EVERYBODY LIKES, UH, THE CONVENIENCE OF SORT OF RESIDENTIAL OVER, EXCUSE ME, OVER COMMERCIAL, THE WAY THEY LIKES THAT CONVENIENCE. 
          UM, YOU HAVE BUSINESSES, YOU GOT COMMERCIAL HOTELS, UH, HIGH RISES, 1700 PLUS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES, COUPLE OF HOSPITALS, A LOT OF EDUCATIONAL AND DAYCARE FACILITIES. 
          YOU'VE GOT A UNIVERSITY. 
          UH, SO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING, RIGHT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT RISK AND WHAT THE FIRE AND EMS HAVE TO PREPARE FOR. 
          UH, SO JUST A SORT OF A A A COUPLE OF ILLUSTRATIONS HERE ON THE LEFT. 
          ARE ALL YOUR BUILDINGS 35 FEET OR MORE? THAT'S AN IMPORTANT SLIDE. 
          AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ADDITION OF A LADDER TRUCK AT STATION THREE, SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT SLIDE AND, AND JUST WHAT YOU HAVE AND WHERE IT IS. 
          UH, THEN ALL YOU TARGETED HAZARDS, UH, OVER ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S ALL YOUR INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, EDUCATIONAL DAYCARE FACILITIES, ASSISTED LIVING, NURSING HOMES, VULNERABLE POPULATIONS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO PLAN FOR. 
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OKAY? SO JUST CONTINUING, UH, YOU HAVE A MODERN FIRE MS, AND SUPPORT VEHICLE FLEET, OKAY? UH, AND CHIEF YOUNGER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT, AND AGAIN, DOES A FABULOUS JOB WITH THAT. 
          THE MAINTENANCE, THE CARE, THE, THE TROOPS OUT IN THE FIELD TAKE CARE OF IT, AND THEY'RE PROUD OF WHAT THEY DRIVE AND, AND, AND WHAT YOU OWN AS A CITY HERE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE, IF THERE'S AN NFPA STANDARD 1901, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FLEET STANDARD. 
          AND WHAT THAT OUTLINES IS, IS SORT OF YEARS IN SERVICE FOR FRONTLINE APPARATUS AND, UH, YEARS OF SERVICE TOTAL FOR AN APPARATUS. 
          SO WHEN THE CHIEF COMES TO YOU AND HE SAYS, HEY, WE'VE GOT A A, A FRONTLINE PIECE OF APPARATUS. 
          IT'S ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 YEARS OLD, THAT SORT OF DOES FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT THE NFPA STANDARD IS. 
          SO THEY'RE IN LINE WITH THAT STANDARD. 
          AND ALTHOUGH IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, INEXPENSIVE, OKAY? UH, IT'S JUST A CONSIDERATION FOR YOU. 
          SO IT'S A STANDARD THAT WE FALL BACK ON AND, AND WE SUPPORT BECAUSE IT'S ALL SAFETY DRIVEN, AND IT'S NOT JUST SAFETY DRIVEN FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY AND FIRE APPARATUS TODAY. 
          IT IS ROLLOVER PROTECTION, DIFFERENT TYPES OF BRAKING, DIFFERENT TYPES OF STEERING. 
          SO ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN UPGRADED. 
          SO YOU WANT TO KEEP UP WITH THE STANDARD, BECAUSE THE STANDARD CHANGES EVERY SIX TO SEVEN YEARS. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR CITIZENS WHEN THEY MAKE IMPROVEMENT ON FIRE APPARATUS, STEERING AND BRAKING, UH, AND, AND THE TYPE OF SUSPENSION SYSTEMS. THEY'RE SHARING A ROAD WITH THE CITIZENS HERE, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING ALONG SIRENS WAILING, AND THEY'RE EASING THROUGH RED LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS, BUT THEY'RE SHARING THE ROAD. 
          SO YOU WANT THEM IN THE SAFEST VEHICLES THAT ARE COVERED BY THAT STANDARD FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. 
          VERY BUSY UNIT. 
          THEY'RE A VERY BUSY UNIT. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING THAT TAKES THEIR TIME UP PLANS, REVIEW PERMITTING, FIRE CODE INSPECTIONS, FIRE INVESTIGATIONS, OKAY? THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN THAT OFFICE. 
          UH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT, UH, THEY HAVE DONE, WHICH IS GOOD, THEY HAVE A DOUBT ADOPTED NFPA 1730, THAT'S THE STANDARD ON COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION. 
          THEY LAY OUT INSPECTION SCHEDULES FOR HIGH HAZARD OCCUPANCIES, MODERATE HAZARD OCCUPANCIES, AND THEY GROUP ALL OF THOSE IN LOW RISK OCCUPANCIES. 
          OKAY? SO THEY, THEY GROUP ALL OF THAT, UH, YOUR FIRE MARSHAL HAS, HAS ADOPTED THAT, AND THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB AT GETTING TO ALMOST EVERYTHING ON THAT LIST, OKAY? BUT THE WORKLOAD FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE GROWTH, FOR THE PERMITTING, FOR THE PLANS REVIEW, KEEPS THEM SOMETIMES FROM GETTING TO ALL THE LOWER RISK OR THE, WHAT WE CALL BUSINESS GROUPS. 
          THOSE ARE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT, THAT HAVE A LOW LIFE SAFETY HAZARD. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE FINDINGS THAT, THAT WE, UH, HAVE DISCOVERED AND WE'VE MADE, GIVEN YOU SOME STRATEGIC INITIATIVES FOR THAT. 
          YOUR EMS SERVICE, THEY'RE VERY COMMITTED TO EXCEPTIONAL AND HIGH LEVEL SERVICE, OKAY? AND THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB. 
          UH, THE PARAMEDICS, THE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, UH, THAT THEY PROVIDE HERE IN THE CITY. 
          UH, AND WE HAVE A VERY GOOD EMS, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT THAT WORKS WITH US. 
          HE RUNS A VERY BIG, BIG SYSTEM IN, IN NEW JERSEY. 
          UM, SO HE WAS ON THIS PRO, UH, THIS PROJECT WITH US. 
          AND, UM, HIS ASSESSMENT IS, ARE THOSE WORDS, OKAY? HAVE AN EXCEPTIONALLY MS SYSTEM. 
          UH, HOWEVER, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE EVOLVING, UH, IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE. 
          UH, DEMOGRAPHICS DRIVES THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE. 
          UH, UH, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERINSURED OR THEY HAVE NO INSURANCE. 
          SO THEY DEPEND ON SOCIAL SERVICES. 
          THEY DEPEND ON PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES, AND THEY ALSO DEPEND ON THE HOSPITAL EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AS THEIR PRIMARY PHYSICIAN. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THAT DRIVES UP BMS CALLS. 
          UH, SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT, THAT YOU SHOULD EVALUATE. 
          UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA EVALUATE IT. 
          YOU SHOULD EVALUATE IT AS A, AS A COUNCIL. 
          AND THAT'S MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH. 
          UH, IT'S A COMMUNITY PARAMEDICINE PROGRAM. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN PLACE, UH, IN, IN AGENCIES AND CITIES AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          THE IDEA THERE IS, AND, AND ONE OF THE MYTHS WITH MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH IS IT'S GONNA DRIVE DOWN 
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EMS CALLS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CUT EMS CALLS. 
          DOESN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. 
          WHAT THAT PROGRAM IS DESIGNED FOR IS FOR THE AGENCY, PUTTING IT IN PLACE. 
          SO IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PUTS IT IN PLACE, WORKING WITH SOCIAL AND HUMAN SERVICES, WORKING WITH PUBLIC HEALTH, WORKING WITH THE HOSPITAL SYSTEMS, WHO ARE THE HIGH FREQUENCY USERS, AND WHY ARE THEY USING THE EMS SYSTEM AND WHY ARE THEY USING THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM AS THEIR PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN? IS IT JUST ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE? THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO GO. 
          UH, DO THEY NEED, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES, RIGHT? DO THEY NEED FOOD SERVICES, NUTRITIONAL SERVICE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO NAVIGATE THOSE PEOPLE TO THOSE SERVICES, AND THAT WILL ASSIST IN, UH, IN REDUCING, UH, EMS CALLS AND READMITTANCE TO THE HOSPITAL. 
          YOUR TRAINING, AGAIN, EXEMPLARY, UH, IN WHAT YOU DO IN TRAINING. 
          YOU COULD LOOK AT THE ISO REPORT. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE I GO WHEN I LOOK AT A FIRE DE, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT TRAINING IS THE ISO REPORT. 
          AND YOU GET ALMOST FULL CREDIT, ALMOST FULL CREDIT. 
          YOU'RE JUST A, A COUPLE OF, UH, MICRO PERCENTAGE POINTS FROM FULL CREDIT. 
          UH, SO YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD TRAINING, AND THAT'S IN FIRE. 
          AND EMS, THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS AND THEY'RE MAKING SURE ALL THE STANDARDS ARE MET. 
          MUTUAL AID AND AUTOMATIC AID, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY BIG, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          SOME, UH, REGIONS IN THE COUNTRY, THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA REGION, THE PHOENIX METROPOLITAN REGION IS, THERE'S NO BOUNDARIES. 
          THEY, THEY DISPATCH FIRE AND EMS UNITS, UH, AND WHATEVER THE CLOSEST UNIT IS, THAT'S WHO GOES. 
          UH, AND THEN SOME, UH, UTILIZE JUST MUTUAL AID AND, AND SOME UTILIZE MUTUAL AND AUTOMATIC AID, SUCH AS YOU DO, UH, THAT MAP OVER ON THE RIGHT, UH, SHOWS, UH, WHERE ALL YOUR MUTUAL AND AUTOMATIC AID, UH, RESOURCES ARE. 
          BUT REALLY, IN DALLAS COUNTY, YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH DALLAS COUNTY. 
          ANY RESOURCE IN DALLAS COUNTY, YOU CAN CALL FOR UNDER MUTUAL AID. 
          THE RED BOXES, UH, SORT OF SIGNAL AUTOMATIC AID, AND AUTOMATIC IS TO CERTAIN PARTS. 
          WHEN A, WHEN A, WHEN A, WHEN A, UH, FIRE CALL COMES IN, THOSE UNITS ARE DISPATCHED AUTOMATICALLY WITH YOUR UNITS. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME, UH, RECIPROCAL AUTOMATIC AID, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH GARLAND, UH, WITH DALLAS, AND WITH PLANO, CORRECT, CHIEF. 
          OKAY? WHAT WE HAVE ASSESSED HERE IS, IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A FULL RECIPROCAL AUTOMATIC AID WITH DALLAS. 
          SO, UH, ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES IS, UH, YOU EVALUATE THAT. 
          AND SO FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF, UH, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, YOU CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING RESOURCES, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU GET TO CERTAIN TYPES OF, UH, RISK THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          UH, THEY'RE JUST GONNA BRING YOU RESOURCES. 
          WE, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SUCCESSION PLANNING AS ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES. 
          AND WHAT REALLY DROVE US TO THE SUCCESSION PLANNING WAS THIS, THIS DATA RIGHT HERE, UH, YOU GOT 184 FTES ALLOTTED TO, UH, RICHARDSON, FIRE 179 ARE SWARM. 
          THOSE ARE THE UNIFORM, UH, PERSONNEL. 
          AND YOU HAVE FIVE THAT, UH, THAT ARE NON-UNIFORM. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER TO UNDERSTAND TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING A FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DOING FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, UH, THAT NOTWITHSTANDING YOU'VE GOT, UH, 52 EMPLOYEES WITH 20 OR MORE YEARS OF SERVICE OUT OF, REALLY, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE UNIFORM OUT 179. 
          THAT'S A LOT. 
          AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE TITLES IN THERE, THAT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOUR FIRE CHIEF ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS, ASSISTANT CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION, YOU DROP DOWN ONE, YOU GOT YOUR FIRE MARSHAL, YOU'VE GOT BATTALION CHIEFS, YOU'VE GOT CAPTAINS, YOU GOT A LOT OF OFFICERS, YOU GOT A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE THERE, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THERE. 
          SO, UH, ONE OF OUR INITIATIVES IS YOU GOTTA GET A, A SUCCESSION PLAN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND THERE'S THINGS YOU DO IN SUCCESSION PLANS, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN START TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE, START MENTORING, UH, PEOPLE, UH, PREPARING THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR A FIRE CHIEF'S POSITION OR AN ASSISTANT CHIEF OR A BATTALION CHIEF, OR A FIRE CAP, OKAY? WE DID A STAFFING FACTOR ANALYSIS. 
          UH, YOU 
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KNOW, ONE THING THAT COUNCILS, UH, SOMETIMES GET CONCERNED ABOUT IS, RIGHT, WELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE AND WHERE DO WE USE 'EM ALL? AND WHY DO WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE? AND WHY ARE WE SPENDING OVERTIME? UH, YOU KNOW, WHY IS OVERTIME UP IN THE FIRE SERVICE? IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN MAYBE SOME OTHER FUNCTIONS IN, IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. 
          UH, SO THE FIRE SERVICE HAS MINIMUM STAFFING, RIGHT? SO YOU COME TO WORK EVERY DAY, AND IF YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT'S MINIMUM STAFFING IS A HUNDRED, THAT MEANS THAT EACH SEAT HAS SO MANY PEOPLE AND FOR THAT UNIT TO BE IN SERVICE, RIGHT? YOU STAFF IT. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN STAFF THAT. 
          YOU CAN STAFF LEAVE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE PEOPLE TAKE OFF, RIGHT? SO YOU GET HOLIDAY LEAVE, YOU GET VACATION LEAVE, YOU GET SICK LEAVE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES. 
          YOU GOT FMLA, YOU GOT COURT LEAVE. 
          IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT LEAVE. 
          OKAY? SO HOW DO YOU BACKFILL THAT? WELL, YOU CAN DO IT JUST BY OVER TIME, WHICH IS JUST A KIND OF CONSTANT STAFFING. 
          OR YOU CAN HAVE OVERSTAFF TO FILL THAT. 
          CHIEF HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB COMING TO YOU, AND YOU HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB ALLOWING HIM TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR EACH SHIFT TO COVER LEAVE. 
          UH, AND THE, THE CHIEF HAS, UH, 11. 
          AND WHEN WE DID A STAFFING FACTOR, UH, BASED ON THE FORMULA WE USE, AND, UH, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF LEAVE USED AND HOW, AND HOW PEOPLE ARE OFF, UH, YOU NEED 10. 
          SO HE'S SPOT ON. 
          UH, AND YOU'VE BEEN SPOT ON, UH, PROVIDING HIM WITH THOSE RESOURCES. 
          WE DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH CIVILIAN STAFF. 
          AND THAT'S NOT ANECDOTAL. 
          FIRE DEPARTMENTS NEED, AND EMS DEPARTMENTS NEED ASSISTANCE. 
          THEY'RE IT DRIVEN. 
          FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE IT DRIVEN? SOFTWARE DRIVEN, OKAY, COMPUTER DRIVEN. 
          ALL THE REPORTING, ALL FIRE REPORTING'S, ELECTRONIC EMS REPORTING IS ELECTRONIC. 
          THE LEAVE IS ALL DONE ELECTRONIC. 
          WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL DOES IS ELECTRONIC. 
          EVERYTHING'S ELECTRONIC. 
          AND SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF SOFTWARE, THEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF HARDWARE THAT GOES WITH IT. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT COMPUTERS, YOU'VE GOT IPADS, YOU'VE GOT ALL KIND OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN. 
          UH, AND SO THAT NEEDS SUPPORT. 
          AND, UH, THEN YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PURCHASING, ALL THE RECEIVING OF WHAT YOU'VE PURCHASED. 
          YOU'VE GOT LOGISTICS. 
          YOU GOTTA RUN STUFF AROUND. 
          YOU GOTTA GET THINGS TO THE FIRE STATIONS. 
          FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE DECENTRALIZED. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WALK INTO CITY HALL, EVERYBODY'S HERE. 
          YOU WANNA SEE THE MANAGER, YOU SEE THE MANAGER, YOU SEE THE ASSISTANT MANAGER, SEE THE HR DIRECTOR. 
          EVERYBODY'S HERE. 
          FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE DECENTRALIZED. 
          YOU HAVE FIRE ADMINISTRATION, AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE FIRE STATIONS, AND THEY'RE EVEN FURTHER DECENTRALIZED BECAUSE THERE'S THREE SHIFTS. 
          SO YOU HAVE THIS COMMAND STAFF IN ONE PLACE. 
          YOU GOT SIX FIRE STATIONS, NOW YOU GOT THREE SHIFTS. 
          SO REALLY YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT THE FIRE CHIEF IS MANAGING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          BUT THEY ALL NEED SUPPORT. 
          THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE NEEDS SUPPORT CHIEF YOUNGER NEEDS SUPPORT AND ALL THE THINGS HE DOES, UH, TRAINING. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S NO ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AT TRAINING. 
          THE TRAINING DIVISION UPLOADS DAILY, TRAINING ELECTRONICALLY. 
          THEY HAVE A WHOLE ELECTRONIC SYSTEM WHERE THEY CAN GET TRAINING. 
          YOU WALK INTO A FIRE STATION, THERE'S TV SCREENS UPRIGHT. 
          SOME OF 'EM HAVE WHERE THE CALLS ARE AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY, SO YOU CAN WALK BY AND SEE IT. 
          ANOTHER ONE'S GOT MESSAGING, TELLS YOU WHAT THE DAILY TRAINING IS SO THAT YOU CAN DO THE DAILY TRAINING, RIGHT? GET THE PROPER CREDITS THAT YOU, THAT'S NEEDED. 
          BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT DOES THAT. 
          SO THE CHIEF TRAINING OR, OR, UH, AN INSTRUCTOR ASSIGNED OUT THERE HAS TO STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING, DEVELOPING PROGRAMS AND DOING TRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT STUFF IS LOADED. 
          SO JUST TAKES A LOT OF SUPPORT, UH, IN THE FIRE SERVICE THAT'S OVERLOOKED. 
          HERE'S WHY IT'S OVERLOOKED, BECAUSE THERE'S THIS RACE TO MAKE SURE WE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ON THE FIRE TRUCKS. 
          THERE'S THIS RACE TO MAKE SURE WE GOT ENOUGH AMBULANCES OUT THERE, AND THEN WE FORGET ABOUT ALL THE SUPPORT THAT GOES WITH IT. 
          AND THEN COMPUTERS START TO BREAK DOWN, EQUIPMENT BREAKS DOWN, AND JUST DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          SO RESPONSE TIMES, UH, WE DID, UH, A RESPONSE TIME ANALYSIS, BUT WE FOUND THAT THE DATA WAS SKEWED, UH, BECAUSE IT, IT JUST SEEMED TO BE, UH, CALL PROCESSING TIMES SEEMED TO BE LONGER THAN WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN A CITY LIKE THIS. 
          AND THEN TURNOUT TIMES WERE A LITTLE LONGER THAN WE TYPICALLY WOULD SEE IN A, IN A CITY LIKE 
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THIS. 
          SO I GOT WHAT WE GOT WITH THE CHIEF AND CHIEF YOUNGER AND, AND WE, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY TOLD US WAS, WELL, IN THE 9 1 1 CENTER, IT'S NOT FULLY AUTOMATED. 
          SO THE DISPATCHER IS DOING A LOT OF THINGS MANUALLY. 
          AND SO, UH, SO YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE NINE ONE ONE CALL AND THEN YOU DISPATCH THE UNITS. 
          AND SO ALL OF THAT IS MANUALLY PUT IN TO THE CAD SYSTEM. 
          THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH. 
          WHEN A UNIT GOES RESPONDING, IT'S BY RADIO. 
          IT'S NOT DONE BY, UH, THE MORE CONTEMPORARY WAY TO DO IT, WHICH IS AN IPAD THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, OR A PERMANENTLY MOUNTED COMPUTER IN A FIRETRUCK. 
          YOU JUST HIT THE RESPONDING BUTTON AND IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES BACK TO THE CAD SYSTEM AND YOU'RE RESPONDING. 
          SO IT'S ALL AUTOMATIC. 
          UH, AND, UH, DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT CHIEF AND, AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE FUTURE? SURE. 
          SO WHAT HE IS DESCRIBING IN DISPATCH, OUR DISPATCHERS ARE FABULOUS, UH, LOVING TO DEATH. 
          THE THE PROBLEM IS, IS THEY'RE MULTITASKING. 
          AND MANY TIMES THE, THE, UH, IN ROUTE BUTTONS AREN'T HIT EXACTLY WHEN SOMEONE CHECKS HER OUT OR THEY'RE ON A SCENE, OR THE CALL PROCESSING TIMES ARE, ARE SKEWED BECAUSE, UM, THIS SYSTEM'S NOT TALKING TO THAT SYSTEM. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE ALREADY IS SPENT OVER A BILLION, UH, WHAT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS? I BELIEVE IT IS ON A, UH, SYSTEM THAT WORKS WITH OUR CAD SYSTEM THAT WILL TAKE ALL THIS SKEW DATA AND MAKE IT RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, LIKE, WHEN A UNIT WILL CHECK IN ROUTE IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL JUST HIT A BUTTON ON THE COMPUTER AND IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY MARK 'EM. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN MULTIPLE UNITS CHECK IN ROUTE, DISPATCH MANY TIMES WILL NOT HIT ALL OF THE UNITS. 
          THEN THEY'LL REALIZE THAT LATER. 
          THEY'LL GO BACK AND CLICK ON SOMEONE. 
          WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S SKEWED TIME. 
          AND WE'VE PROVEN THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE DIFFERENT ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN BEEN WATCHING. 
          SO, UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH PROBABLY, UM, PUTTING THE NEW SYSTEM IN IT'S MOCK ALERTING. 
          AND WHEN WE GET THAT IN, THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE. 
          WE KNOW WHAT TIME THE PHONE RANG AND WHAT TIME WE MARKED ON SCENE ISH, DID THEY REALLY HIT THE BUTTON OR NOT AT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          SO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. 
          BUT ALL OF THE TIMES IN THE MIDDLE TO MEET ALL THE NPA STANDARDS, THEY'RE TOTALLY SKEWED. 
          UH, SO WHEN WE GET THIS SYSTEM IN, WE'RE GONNA KNOW OUR NUMBERS, AND WE BELIEVE IT WILL ACTUALLY SPEED THINGS UP QUITE A BIT. 
          SO ON THE RIGHT ARE THE NFPA 1710 STANDARDS, UH, FOR RESPONSE TIMES FOR FIRE DEPARTMENTS, CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME STRATEGIC INITIATIVES ON THAT, RIGHT? HAVE A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE SO THAT THE 9 1 1 CENTER IS PROCESSING CALLS, RIGHT? 64 SECONDS, 90% OF THE TIME, AND SO ON, RIGHT? TURNOUT TIMES ARE 60 SECONDS FOR EMS CALLS AND 80 SECONDS FOR FIRE. 
          AND, AND THEN RESPONSE TRAVEL TIMES. 
          SO THE, THE STANDARD IS 240 SECONDS. 
          SO I GOT A SLIDE COMING UP HERE, UH, THAT WE'VE, WE, WE'VE GOT A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FOR. 
          SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THERE. 
          THE 242ND IS FOR, UH, A, IT, IT, IT'S AN URBAN STANDARD. 
          UH, AND YOU, YOU'RE URBAN. 
          YOU HAVE SOME SUBURBAN FLAVOR AS WELL, BUT THAT'S A REAL URBAN STANDARD, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT ONE EVERY CITY BLOCK, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERY THREE OR FOUR CITY BLOCKS, YOU HAVE A FIRE STATION. 
          SO YOU CAN GET THERE IN 240 SECONDS. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN UNREALISTIC STANDARD, BUT THAT STANDARD IS IN THERE FOR A REASON. 
          UH, AND I, AND I GO OVER IT IN THE REPORT, BUT RESPONSE, TRAVEL TIMES OR RESPONSE TIMES, THEY'RE BASED ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          ONE, UH, THEY'RE BASED ON WHEN'S THAT FIRE, UH, GONNA FLASH IN THAT BUILDING? OKAY? THAT'S A DANGEROUS POINT. 
          IN THE, IN THE FIRE ROOM CONTENTS GETS SUPER HEATED, IT FLASHES. 
          SO NOW IT'S LEFT THE, UH, ROOM OF ORIGIN. 
          NOW IT'S IN THE BUILDING OF ORIGIN. 
          AND IF IN EMS, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S BASED ON, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CARDIAC ARREST, RIGHT? WE'VE ALL LEARNED, RIGHT IN FOUR TO SIX MINUTE BRAIN CELLS START TO DIE WHEN YOU DON'T, WHEN THEY'RE NOT OXYGENATED. 
          SO YOU WANT TO GET THERE QUICK SO YOU CAN START, UH, YOUR LIFESAVING MEASURES. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO RIGHT MAP YOUR, THE, THE, THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO ON THE LEFT, UM, THE 240 SECONDS, RIGHT? ACTUAL PERFORMANCE, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE YOUR FIRE STATIONS USING YOUR ROAD NETWORK AND YOUR, UH, ROAD SPEED LIMITS THROUGH ARC GIS. 
          AND WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHERE YOU CAN GET IN THE CITY FROM EACH FIRE STATION OF 240 SECONDS, OKAY? UH, ON THE RIGHT IS 300 SECONDS. 
          OKAY? SO YOU ADD A MINUTE TO THAT, AND YOU'RE ALMOST COVERING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CITY. 
          SO ONE 
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OF OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES IS DON'T BACK YOURSELF IN A CORNER. 
          BE SORT OF REALISTIC. 
          UH, AND, AND YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER A, A 302ND, UH, TRAVEL TIME. 
          AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT ALL YOUR FACILITIES, RIGHT? UH, NON MECHANICAL. 
          WE DIDN'T GO IN THERE AND, AND DO THIS WHOLE MECHANICAL THING WITH AIR CONDITIONERS AND ROOFS AND BUILDING CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS, OKAY? UH, BUT WE DID LOOK AT ALL THE FACILITIES AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, AND WE LISTED THEM OUT IN THE REPORT. 
          YOU WANT TO HAVE IN A CONTEMPORARY, UH, FIRE STATION. 
          AND, AND THERE'S SOME BIG THINGS, RIGHT? CARCINOGEN EXPOSURE IN THE FIRE SERVICE IS BIG. 
          IT JUST IS BECAUSE YOU'RE EXPOSED TO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, AND JUST THE EVERYDAY WORK THAT YOU DO WITH FIRES, UH, AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF RESPONSES. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE CARCINOGENS IN A FIRE STATION, RIGHT? COME FROM THE VEHICLE EXHAUST. 
          THEY'VE GOT ALL THAT COVER. 
          THEY HAVE VEHICLE EXHAUST, UH, SYSTEMS IN PLACE. 
          THEY HAVE AIRLOCKS. 
          WHEN YOU GO FROM THE APPARATUS FLOOR, YOU GO INTO, UH, UH, A, A ROOM THAT SEALS OFF, AND THEN YOU GO INTO THE FIRE STATION. 
          SO IT CLOSES. 
          ALL THAT IS REALLY CONTEMPORARY. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE DONE THAT. 
          YOU HAVE DONE IT HERE. 
          SO YOU'VE DONE ALL THAT. 
          UH, AND WHEN WE SAY THAT WE DON'T THINK YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, OLDER BUILDINGS, YOU HAVE SOME OLDER BUILDINGS, BUT YOU'VE RENOVATED THEM, YOU'VE INVESTED IN THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          UH, IN FACT, UH, STATION FIVE IS CURRENTLY BE BEING RENOVATED. 
          SO YOU'VE MADE YOUR INVESTMENTS IN THEM TO KEEP THOSE, UH, TO KEEP THOSE TO THE STANDARD. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHERE YOUR CURRENT STATIONS ARE, YOUR WORKLOAD RESPONSE TIMES, POTENTIAL GROWTH, ALL THOSE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WE THINK THAT IN THE, IN, IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S GONNA BE A NEED FOR ANOTHER FIRE STATION. 
          OKAY? YOU HAVE SOME GAPS TO CLOSE, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE GROWTH AND THE TYPE OF GROWTH THAT YOU'RE HAVING. 
          WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF, UH, EXAMPLE, UH, A COUPLE OF SITES THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US. 
          ONE IN THE NORTHWEST, ONE IN NORTH CENTRAL. 
          UH, WE LOOKED AT BOTH. 
          AND HERE'S WHERE THEY ARE. 
          UH, SITE NUMBER ONE IS, IS UP AROUND THE, UH, UNIVERSITY, UM, IN NORTHWEST AND THEN ONE IN NORTH CENTRAL. 
          OUR RECOMMENDED SITE WOULD BE THE ONE IN NORTH CENTRAL. 
          UH, IF YOU SORT OF GO BACK TO WHERE ALL THOSE BUILDINGS OVER 35 FEET ARE, AND YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE THE DEMAND IS, UH, FOR EMS AND FIRE, RIGHT? IT'S IN CENTRAL SOUTH. 
          AND, UH, THE PANHANDLE WILL MAY DEVELOP SOME MORE AS YOU GO, BUT YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE THERE. 
          THE UNIVERSITY HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS AN AREA THERE, BUT NOT A LOT OF DEMAND. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, WHERE THE DEMAND IS, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT. 
          THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UTILITY OF THIS FIRE STATION, UH, THE ONE UP IN NORTHEAST, WE, WE WENT, WE DID 2 43 64, 80 SECOND TRAVEL TIMES IN THE DIFFERENT COLORS. 
          THE GREEN IS TWO 40, THE BLUE IS 360, AND THE, UH, THE FOUR, THE SORT OF ORANGE HE RED IS FOUR 80, UH, GETS YOU TO ABOUT, UH, 75 SOUTH END OF STATION TWOS AREA. 
          AND THEN, AND SOMEWHAT INTO STATION THREES WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE SECOND SITE GIVES YOU BECAUSE OF THE ROAD NETWORK AND, AND HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN RESPOND AND, AND WHERE YOUR DEMAND IS, RIGHT? SO YOU DO, SO A LOT OF THIS IS BUILT ON RESILIENCY AS WELL. 
          STATION FOUR HAS HEAVY DEMAND. 
          STATION ONE HAS HEAVY DEMAND. 
          STATION TWO AND FIVE. 
          THEY ALL HAVE HEAVY DEMAND. 
          AND SO WHEN THOSE UNITS ARE OUT, RIGHT, YOU WANT TO HAVE A QUICKER RESPONSE TO COVER THOSE AREAS. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT MORE UTILITY, UH, IN THAT SECOND SITE. 
          UH, SO, UH, THE ISO, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THEY LOOK AT IN THE ISO. 
          ONE IS, UH, ENGINE COMPANY BENCHMARKING, RIGHT? 1.5 MILES ON DEVELOPED LAND. 
          THE LADDER COMPANIES ARE 2.5 MILES ON DEVELOPED LAND. 
          UH, WE DID NOTICE IN THE ISO REPORT, UH, THAT YOU GOT 1.0 OUT OF FOUR CREDITS FOR LADDER COMPANIES. 
          IT'S A CHIEF MENTION, RIGHT? YOU USE QUINCE AND A QUINT. 
          IT REALLY IS AN ENGINE THAT'S GOT AN AERIAL DEVICE ON TOP, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN USE IT SORT OF BOTH WAYS. 
          UH, BUT THE PRIMARY USE IS AN ENGINE AT THE STATIONS WHERE THOSE QUINTS ARE TODAY. 
          UH, THE PRIMARY USE IS AN ENGINE, UH, AND THEY'RE EQUIPPED FOR THE PRIMARY USE AS AN ENGINE. 
          SO IN THE ISO DOES THEIR GRADING, THEY, THEY, THEY NOTE THAT. 
          AND SO WHEN THEY GIVE CREDIT, UH, SO YOU GOT, UH, ONE OUT OF FOUR AND IT ACTUALLY CAME DOWN FROM THE PREVIOUS ISO REPORT. 
          I THINK THE PREVIOUS WAS 1.92. 
          SO IT'S COME DOWN ALMO ALMOST 
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A POINT. 
          UH, SO, UH, YOU'VE ONLY GOT THE ONE LADDER COMPANY TRUCK, FOUR AS A SEPARATE UNIT. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS YOU HAVE, RIGHT? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS. 
          THE ROAD NETWORK ACCESS, YOU'VE GOT ALLEYS, RIGHT? WE JUST, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON ALLEYS, UH, ABOUT AN HOUR AGO, YOU KNOW, FOR TRASH PICKUP. 
          SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF ACCESS POINTS. 
          UH, LADDER TRUCKS ARE LONG AND BIG, RIGHT? THAT'S TRUCK FOUR ON THE BOTTOM. 
          IT'S A STRAIGHT LADDER THAT'S LONG. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A LOT OF THREE POINT MANEUVERS TO GET THAT THING WHERE YOU REALLY WANT TO GET IT SOMETIMES. 
          SO FOR STATION THREE, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AN ADDITIONAL LADDER, RIGHT? AGAIN, BASED ON THE TYPES OF BUILDING RISK YOU HAVE, WHERE THAT RISK IS. 
          AND, AND, UH, REALLY, AND ALSO TO SUSTAIN YOUR ISO, WE RECOMMENDED A TRACTOR DRAWN FROM MANEUVERABILITY. 
          THAT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE THERE. 
          'CAUSE IT BENDS IN THE MIDDLE, IT BENDS IN THE MIDDLE, AND YOU DRIVE IT FROM THE BACK. 
          SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN THE, THE FIREFIGHTER, UH, DRIVING, THE ENGINEER DRIVING THAT FRONT MAKES A RIGHT TURN, THE DRIVER IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, POINTS THAT WHEEL TO THE, TO THE LEFT AND THAT TRACTOR GOES OUT AND THEN IT BENDS. 
          AND YOU CAN GET IT AROUND. 
          YOU CAN GET IT IN SOME REALLY TIGHT PLACES. 
          AND I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THIS CITY. 
          UH, I WOULD NOT HAVE RECOMMENDED THIS IF I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS A TYPE OF LADDER THAT YOU NEEDED. 
          BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO BE DIVERSE IN YOUR LADDERS, LADDER COMPANIES. 
          YOU NEED TO HAVE A DIVERSE, UH, RESPONSE. 
          UH, VEHICLES YOU NEED STRAIGHT LADDERS. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAVE A PURPOSE AND, AND THEY HAVE ACCESS, RIGHT? THERE ARE, THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN GET IT IN. 
          YOU NEED A TRACTOR DRAW BECAUSE THEY'RE MANEUVERABLE AND YOU CAN GET THEM WHERE YOU NEED TO GET THEM, OKAY? BUT YOU ALSO NEED ANOTHER TYPE, WHICH, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED THIS IF YOU DIDN'T ON YOUR NEXT LADDER. 
          REPLACEMENT IS A PLATFORM THAT'S AN AERIAL LADDER THAT HAS A BASKET ON THE END. 
          SO YOU CAN GET FIREFIGHTERS UP IN THERE AND YOU CAN GET ABOVE THE FIRE, YOU CAN GET THE WINDOWS, YOU CAN MAKE RESCUES, RIGHT? YOU GET PEOPLE IN THE BASKET OUT OF THE WINDOWS OR OFF THE ROOF. 
          UH, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING ELEVATED MASTER STREAMS, RIGHT, YOU'RE GETTING WATER UP HIGH, GETTING THEM IN WINDOWS OR DOWN. 
          YOU CAN SCRUB THE FRONT OF BUILDINGS, YOU CAN MOVE 'EM. 
          IF YOU PUT 'EM ON A CORNER, YOU CAN GET TO BOTH SIDES. 
          YOU COULD DO A LOT WITH A PLATFORM. 
          UH, AND THEY'VE ORDERED ONE AS A REPLACEMENT FOR TRUCK FOUR. 
          AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO TAKE THE EXTRA STEP FOR ACCESSIBILITY IS IT'S A MID MOUNT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE ON THERE THE TURNTABLES ON THE REAR. 
          THE PLATFORM THAT THEY ORDER HAS THE PLAT, THE, THE TURNTABLE IS IN THE MIDDLE AND THE LADDER GOES TO THE BACK. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE PLATFORM SITS AND WHERE YOU PUT THAT TURNTABLE AND HOW YOU CAN GET THAT TRUCK IN THERE. 
          YOU CAN GO OFF THE FRONT, YOU CAN GO OFF THE SIDE, YOU CAN GO OFF THE REAR. 
          DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THOSE. 
          AND THEY'RE VERY VERSATILE. 
          SO WITH THE QUINCE AS STRAIGHT LADDERS, THE TRACTOR DRAWN FROM MANEUVERABILITY. 
          NOW THE, NOW THE PLATFORM, OKAY? WITH A MIDSHIP MOUNTED TURNTABLE, YOU REALLY HAVE A DIVERSE, UH, LADDER CORE. 
          SO THIS IS JUST YOUR ISO BENCHMARKING REAL QUICK ENGINES ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOUR COVERAGE IS IN THE CITY. 
          IT'S EXCELLENT. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU GET ALL THE POINTS YOU GET FOR YOUR ISO ON THE RIGHT. 
          UH, THOSE, THOSE 2.5 MILE DIAMONDS ON THE RIGHT, UH, SHOW WHAT THE CURRENT IS. 
          AND, UH, AT STATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FIVE, YOU HAVE QUINCE. 
          YOU SEE ALL THE WAY OVER IN THE PANHANDLE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LADDER COVERAGE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE TRUCK DOWN THERE AT FOUR, WHICH IS REALLY YOUR TRUE TRUCK COMPANY. 
          WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED AS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE IS OVER ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE TO PUT THE QUINCE AT TWO AND SIX. 
          SO NOW YOU'VE COVERED WITH SOME ELEVATED LADDER, THAT GAP YOU HAVE OVER THERE IN THE PANHANDLE. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DUAL HOUSE OR YOUR TRUE LADDER COMPANIES OR TRUCK COMPANIES AT FOUR AND THREE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE COVERAGE OF THOSE BUILDINGS OVER 35 FEET. 
          YOU HAVE A REALLY DIVERSE NOW, UH, FIRE TAX SYSTEM WITH LADDER COMPANIES OR LADDER TRUCKS. 
          EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE. 
          UH, THAT'S A TERM IN THE FIRE INDUSTRY OF, OF COLLECTING PEOPLE ON THE FIRE SCENE TO DO CRITICAL TASKING. 
          AND IT'S ALWAYS IN TEAMS OF 
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TWO. 
          SO TWO PEOPLE ON THE INITIAL ATTACK LINE, TWO PEOPLE ON A BACK, TWO PEOPLE VENTILATING, CUTTING A HOLE IN THE ROOF OR, OR, OR VENTILATING THROUGH WINDOWS, UH, FOUR PEOPLE OUT TO ACT AS A RAPID INTERVENTION TEAM AND SO ON, RIGHT? DRIVERS AND WATER AND ALL THAT. 
          THE NFPA 1710 STANDARDS SORT OF BREAKS THAT DOWN. 
          SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, APARTMENTS, COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? AND THE TI AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED. 
          16 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, 27 FOR AN APARTMENT OR COMMERCIAL, 42 FOR A HIGH RISE. 
          AND, UH, YOU CANNOT, YOU CAN ASSEMBLE AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE WITH YOUR RESOURCES, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND APARTMENTS, COMMERCIAL, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS VERY EASILY. 
          YOU CAN, FOR A HIGHRISE, IF YOU SEND EVERYBODY, YOU SEND, IF YOU SEND EVERY UNIT YOU HAVE, YOU CAN GET ENOUGH PEOPLE THERE FOR A HIGHRISE. 
          BUT WE SAY YOU CANNOT BECAUSE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU CAN HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE, PARTICULARLY YOUR AMBULANCES. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO USE ALL OF YOUR AMBULANCES AS WELL TO GET TO THAT. 
          AND YOU HAVE A BUSY EMS SYSTEM. 
          UH, BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY YOUR SIZE. 
          THEY CAN GET 42 PEOPLE ON THE SCENE ALL THE TIME FOR A HIGH RISE FIRE, OKAY? BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HIGH RISE FIRES, BUT IT'S JUST PART OF THE STANDARD AND SOMETHING THAT WE POINT OUT, YOU CAN WHEN YOU USE YOUR AUTOMATIC AND YOUR MUTUAL AID THOUGH, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LOT OF DALLAS STATIONS AROUND, YOU GOT PLANO, YOU GOT GARLAND, THEY'LL COME IN AND HELP. 
          SO YOU CAN GET IT, OKAY? BUT THROUGH MUTUAL AID, YOU JUST CAN'T BY YOURSELF. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE LOOKED AT YOUR RESILIENCY, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT UNITS ARE BUSY, THEY'RE OUT. 
          SO WHAT'S LEFT IN THAT DISTRICT? OKAY? AND SO HOW RESILIENT ARE YOU? STATIONS ONE IN FIVE HAVE WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT WE CONSIDER A MODERATE RESILIENCY WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE KEY INDICATORS THERE IS THE PERCENT OF TIME THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO RESPOND IN THEIR FIRST DUE AREA, IT'S BELOW THE 90TH PERCENTILE, WHICH IS SORT OF THE BENCHMARK. 
          SO WE, WE, WE JUST TAG THAT AS A, YOU HAVE SOME MODERATE RESILIENCY, BUT STATION ONE HAS THE HIGHEST WORKLOAD OF ALL THE STATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE RESILIENCY ISSUES. 
          STATION FOUR HAS A HIGH WORKLOAD, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S THREE UNITS THERE, YOU HAVE A LOWER RESILIENCY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE AN ENGINE, YOU HAVE A LADDER, AND YOU HAVE AN AMBULANCE. 
          SO IF THE AMBULANCE IS OUT, YOU'RE GONNA GET AN ENGINE. 
          IF THE ENGINE IN, LADDER OUT, YOU'LL GET THE, UH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET AN AMBULANCE AND, AND SO FORTH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PLAYS INTO THAT RESILIENCY. 
          VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HERE. 
          74% OF YOUR CALLS ARE EMS. WHEN YOU GO BACK HISTORICALLY, THE, EVEN THE THE THREE HERE, HISTORICAL AND, AND THEN BEYOND, IT'S ALWAYS IN ABOUT THE 70TH OR PLUS PERCENTILE. 
          BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE FIRE PIECE. 
          'CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE FIRE PIECE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS WELL. 
          JUST YOUR WORKLOAD REALLY IS AROUND EMS. UH, SO SOME ATTENTION TO EMS AND THE OVERALL MANAGEMENT AND COORDINATION, RIGHT? SO, UH, SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE LOOK AT THERE IS, IS HOW BUSY ARE YOU? AND THEN HOW BUSY ARE YOU GOING TO BE? UH, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT HELPS WITH THAT IS, AND WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE IS AN EMS SHIFT SUPERVISOR. 
          SO YOUR LARGEST WORKLOAD, EMS AND, AND, AND, AND THERE'S NO, LIKE E THERE'S NO SHIFT SUPERVISOR THERE, RIGHT? AND YOU NEED THAT. 
          YOU HAVE TO COORDINATE EMS STUFF WHEN YOU'RE AT THE HIGH, WHEN YOU GOT UN TIED UP AT HOSPITALS, YOU NEED AN EMS SHIFT SUPERVISOR OR AN OFFICER FINDING OUT WHY THEY'RE STILL AT THE HOSPITAL, WHAT'S GOING ON AT THAT HOSPITAL, UH, EQUIPMENT SUPPORT, MENTORING, UH, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND THAT'S AN E EM, AN EMS SHIFT SUPERVISOR'S JOB. 
          YOU GOT ONE BATTALION CHIEF ON DUTY, THEY DO A GREAT JOB, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEYOND THEIR SPAN OF CONTROL. 
          IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT, AT WHAT A SHIFT CONSISTS OF, YOU GOT A ONE BATTALION CHIEF, AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX STATIONS. 
          SO YOU GOT AT LEAST SIX OFFICERS THERE, RIGHT? FOUR AT SEVEN, OKAY? 'CAUSE YOU GOT AN ENGINE AND A LADDER. 
          SO NOW YOU GOT SEVEN OFFICERS, THEN YOU HAVE ENGINEERS, THEN YOU GOT ALL THESE FIREFIGHTERS. 
          THAT'S WAY BEYOND THAT SPAN OF CONTROL. 
          AND AGAIN, THE FIREFIGHTERS NEED SUPPORT. 
          THEY NEED GUIDANCE. 
          UH, THE OFFICERS NEED GUIDANCE, RIGHT? THEY NEED DIRECTION THAT, THAT'S JUST A NORMAL EVERYDAY, UH, DAY THING OF A MIDDLE MANAGER. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE'VE 
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UH, SUGGESTED HERE IS AT A SECOND BATTALION, YOU'RE BIG ENOUGH. 
          NOW YOU SHOULD HAVE TWO BATTALION CHIEFS, ONE NORTH, ONE SOUTH, UH, AND SPLIT THE, THE, THE CITY. 
          UH, AND AS AND AS WELL, THEY'RE PART OF THE EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE. 
          THEY'RE THE INCIDENT COMMANDER. 
          SO YOU WANT THEM THERE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE STANDARD IS YOU SEE, WE, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT 482ND TRAVEL TIME. 
          THE STANDARD IS COLLECT YOUR FIRST ALARM ASSIGNMENT IN 480 SECONDS. 
          THEY'RE PART OF THAT. 
          SO IF THEY'RE DOWN AT STATION FOUR AND YOU GET A HOUSE FIRE UP IN STATION SIX, THEY'RE BEYOND THAT 480 SECONDS, OKAY? AND THEY'RE THE INCIDENT COMMANDER. 
          SO THAT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UH, POSITION IN THE FIRE SERVICE. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THE KEY FINDINGS. 
          WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH SOME STRATEGIC INITIATIVES HERE. 
          IT'S GONNA MIRROR EVERYTHING I SAID. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THIS FOR YOU. 
          UH, AND PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, UH, WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE EARLIER, RIGHT? YOUR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS PROGRAM. 
          YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS PROGRAM, AND YOU HAVE PROVIDED, UH, THE FUNDING FOR THAT AS A COUNCIL. 
          YOU HAVE SUPPORTED THAT. 
          HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS IS THE TYPES OF GEAR THAT THEY USE, THE TURNOUT GEAR, ALL OF THE THINGS CHIEF YOUNGER IS DOING WHEN HE DOES STATION RENOVATIONS OR THINGS THAT, THAT HE ADDS TO THOSE STATIONS. 
          UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT THE CITY DOES FOR THAT, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS. 
          SO CONTINUE THAT. 
          OUR ONLY SUGGESTION THERE AS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISH A HEALTH SAFETY AND WELLNESS COMMITTEE. 
          THE NFPA HAS A STANDARD, UH, N-N-F-P-A 1500. 
          SO JUST START TO ENGAGE THAT MORE AS A COMMITTEE AND IDENTIFY, UH, WHERE MAYBE ISSUES AND CHALLENGES ARE. 
          AND SO WE'VE JUST, WE'VE JUST DEVELOPED, UH, A, A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE AROUND THAT. 
          UH, AND UH, TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, JUST MAINTAIN AND CONTINUALLY UPDATE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT, THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS AND KEEP THEM CURRENT FIRE AND EMS SERVICE EVOLVES LIKE, LIKE DAILY. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S HOURLY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST ALL KIND OF THINGS HAPPEN AND SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH IT. 
          UH, SUCCESSION PLANNING, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THE IMPORTANCE FOR THAT, RIGHT? UH, YOU HAVE A SORT OF TRADITIONAL SYSTEM AND REALLY IT'S THROUGH YOUR CIVIL SERVICE SYSTEM, RIGHT? FOR PEOPLE TO GET PROMOTED. 
          HOWEVER, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, 52 OUT OF 1 79 THAT, THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 OR MORE YEARS IN. 
          SO, UH, YOU GOTTA START FOCUSING ON, I GOTTA DEVELOP THE WORKFORCE. 
          GOTTA PUT SOME EFFORT INTO DEVELOPING THE WORKFORCE. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF, WE'VE JUST SUGGESTED THAT, RIGHT? AND YOU WORK WITH HUMAN RESOURCES AND YOU COME UP WITH PROGRAMS, UH, TO ROTATE PEOPLE THROUGH DIFFERENT POSITIONS. 
          THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE, UH, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP THE WORKFORCE. 
          AND THE, THE FIRE SERVICE, WHICH HE ALREADY HAS SOME OF THAT IN PLACE NOW WITH HIS BATTALION CHIEF. 
          SO HE'S ALREADY DEVELOPING THEM, UH, THROUGH ROTATION TO ADMINISTRATIVE JOBS. 
          AND SO WE'VE JUST GIVEN SOME STEPS HERE THAT OUTLINE THAT AS STRATI AS STRATEGIC INITIATIVES. 
          UH, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS YOU GOTTA, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU IDENTIFY CRITICAL POSITIONS AND YOU HIGHLIGHT POTENTIAL VACANCIES. 
          AND IF YOU KNOW THEY'RE COMING THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OUT WITH RETIREMENTS, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU, THEN YOU HAVE TO START GETTING PEOPLE READY, CHANGE MANAGEMENT. 
          THIS CAME THROUGH OUR STAKEHOLDER INPUT. 
          UH, JUST SOME, JUST SOME CHALLENGES WHEN CHANGE IS IMPLEMENTED, RIGHT? 'CAUSE NOBODY LIKES CHANGE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE FIRE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE EVOLVE ALL THE TIME AND EMS EVOLVE ALL THE TIME, CHANGE IS HARD SOMETIMES, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT THAT TO 179 PEOPLE, RIGHT? NOT EVERYBODY LINES UP AND GOES, I'M IN. 
          SO, UH, WE'VE JUST GIVEN THEM A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE HERE THAT WILL ASSIST THEM. 
          JUST SOME STEPS TO GO THROUGH WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT CHANGE. 
          AND OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THE BIGGEST THING WITH CHANGE IS WHAT? COMMUNICATION. 
          COMMUNICATION IS OUR SALVATION. 
          I TELL THAT TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. 
          IF YOU COMMUNICATE IT AND MAKE SURE IT GETS COMMUNICATED ALL THE WAY DOWN, THEN YOU HAVE GREATER SUCCESS. 
          WE'VE GIVEN A, UH, JUST A, UH, A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE ON THAT AND JUST THE STEPS TO GO THROUGH. 
          ANOTHER THING WE GOT THROUGH, UH, THROUGH STAKEHOLDER INPUT IS THE EMS ROTATION FIRE. 
          THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE WORKS 48 HOURS ON, AND THEY'RE OFF 96. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE INPUT WE GOT WAS, WELL, I COME TO WORK, I'M ASSIGNED TO THE AMBULANCE. 
          AND SO I'M ON THE AMBULANCE FOR 48 HOURS, OKAY? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT 
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LEADS TO, OR POTENTIALLY MAY LEAD TO IS JUST SOME BURNOUT. 
          UH, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE REPORT, YOU'LL SEE A, AN EMS CALL, A TRANSPORT TAKES ON AVERAGE ABOUT 56 MINUTES. 
          SO LET'S JUST SAY AN HOUR, OKAY? YOU'RE TIED UP, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO THE CALL, PICK 'EM UP, YOU TRANSPORT 'EM, YOU GET 'EM TO THE HOSPITAL, UH, ET CETERA. 
          SO IT TAKES ABOUT AN HOUR. 
          THE LARGEST PERCENT OF FIRE CALLS IS A 30 MINUTES OR LESS. 
          AND OF COURSE, 74% OF ALL CALLS IS EMS. SO THEY'RE JUST BUSIER. 
          SO WE'VE JUST PROVIDED SOME STRATEGIC, UH, INITIATIVE HERE THAT, UH, REALLY GOES BACK TO THE COMPANY OFFICER, RIGHT? THE CAPTAIN ON DUTY, THE COMPANY OFFICER, JUST TO MONITOR PEOPLE ON AMBULANCES, RIGHT? MAKE SURE THERE'S NO STAFF BURNOUT OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CALLS THAT SHIFT, YOU MAY ROTATE AS YOU'RE INTO THE SECOND SHIFT, RIGHT? YOU MAY ROTATE THE PERSON OFF FOR, YOU KNOW, A AN AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, DEEMED, UH, APPROPRIATE BY THE COMPANY OFFICER. 
          SO THIS IS JUST REALLY WHAT THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, STRATEGIC INITIATIVE IS. 
          BUT OUR SUGGESTION IS DEVELOP A GUIDELINE, WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, HUMAN RESOURCES, WORK WITH RISK, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THOSE WHO ARE INTELLIGENT IN THIS AND UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DOES. 
          UH, AND THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR AS WELL. 
          UH, AND DEVELOP SOME GUIDELINES, AND THEN EDUCATE THE COMPANY OFFICERS ON THAT. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF SUPPORT. 
          SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT TRAINING AND ALL THE THINGS THEY GOT GOING ON THERE WITH ALL THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND WHAT THEY DO ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          TALKED ABOUT EMS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN EMS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISION, RIGHT? ALL THE IT SUPPORT AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE WITH ALL THE SOFTWARE. 
          AND SO WE'VE JUST DEVELOPED A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE FOR THREE ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS OVER TIME, OKAY? AND IT'S UP TO THE CHIEF TO PRIORITIZE THEM, THE MANAGER, THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? WHAT YOU CAN FUND WHEN YOU CAN FUND IT. 
          BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NECESSARY POSITIONS. 
          UH, AND, UH, I, I MADE SURE WE DIDN'T GO OVER ON THAT, RIGHT? THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, THIS IS WHAT THEY NEED, UH, TO HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          SECOND OPERATIONAL BATTALION, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? THE SPAN OF CONTROL THERE AND THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE. 
          SO, UH, WE JUST HAVE A, UH, AN, AN INITIATIVE THERE AND, AND THE WHY'S, OKAY? THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO HAVE A SECOND OPERATIONAL BATTALION CHIEF AND WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE. 
          SAME THING WITH EMS PROGRAM STAFF. 
          AGAIN, 74% OF ALL THE CALLS. 
          SO AN EMS SHIFT SUPERVISOR, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET. 
          UH, CURRENTLY, THERE'S A BATTALION CHIEF, UH, WHO'S OVER THE EMS PROGRAM, RIGHT? IT'S A BIG PROGRAM, 74% OF THE CALLS, HEAVIEST WORKLOAD, ALL THE MEDICAL PROTOCOLS DEALING WITH THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, IMPLEMENTING NEW PROCEDURES, NEW UH, THINGS IN EMS, RIGHT? AND SO TYPICALLY THIS IS A HIGHER LEVEL POSITION IN THE FIRE, IN A FIRE DEPARTMENT, FIRE EMS DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, SO OUR SUGGESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A ANOTHER, UH, CHIEF POSITION, UH, ABOVE BATTALION CHIEF, RIGHT? BUT BELOW ASSISTANT CHIEF. 
          AND IT'S REALLY UP TO THE CHIEF, UH, VY, HOW HE MAY WANT TO DO THAT. 
          UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS NEEDED. 
          IT GIVES EMS, UH, IT GIVES IT THAT, THAT, THAT SUBSTANCE, RIGHT? UH, BECAUSE IT IS THE HEAVIEST WORKLOAD, UH, IN THE AGENCY. 
          AND SO WE JUST SORT OF OUTLINED THERE, UH, A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE ON THAT FACILITIES. 
          AGAIN, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE AN AGING FACILITY PROBLEM. 
          YOU'RE DOING ALL THE GREAT RENOVATION STUFF. 
          UH, AND ONE THING WE DID PICK UP THOUGH IS A LOT OF CONGESTION IN THE APPARATUS BASE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, FOR RISK MANAGEMENT REASONS, FOR SAFETY REASONS, RIGHT? YOUR MAIN APPARATUS, YOU WANT TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH BAY, RIGHT? WHEN YOU FINISH THE CALL, YOU COME AROUND BACK AND YOU DRIVE THROUGH. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT DOING ALL THAT BACKING, RIGHT? BACKING ACCIDENTS ARE THE NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE FIRE SERVICE, NOT A LOT GOING FORWARD. 
          MOST OF 'EM WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE BACKING UP. 
          AND WE PUT ALL KIND OF CAMERAS ON FIRE TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING NOW, BUT YOU STILL HAVE BACKING ACCIDENTS. 
          SO YOU WANT TO AVOID THAT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. 
          SO, JUST IN SOME INITIATIVES ON, UH, SOME CONSIDERATIONS TO LESSEN CONGESTIONS IN FIRE STATIONS, AND THAT COULD BE WHERE THEY GET, THEY, THEY CAN, CAN GET A FACILITY, RIGHT? WHERE YOU JUST STORE ALL OF YOUR SPARE APPARATUS AND YOU GO GET IT WHEN YOU NEED IT, UH, ET CETERA. 
          FLEET, 
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WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. 
          REALLY, THERE'S AN INITIATIVE JUST, JUST FOLLOW, UH, CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE NFPA 1901 STANDARD FOR FLEET REPLACEMENT, WHICH WE OUTLINE, UH, YOU KNOW, AT LENGTH IN THE REPORT, THE DIFFERENT, UH, YOU KNOW, TIME PERIODS THAT, UH, YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IN, IN INDUSTRY, UH, BEST PRACTICES FOR AMBULANCE REPLACEMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A STANDARD FOR THAT RIGHT? TO WHEN YOU REPLACE AMBULANCES, 'CAUSE MOST OF 'EM ARE TRUCK CHASSIS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU SORT OF FOLLOW A TRUCK CHASSIS REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY DEVELOPED BY YOUR FLEET MAINTENANCE PEOPLE, RIGHT? AND THEY, THEY LIKE TO KEEP 'EM ON CERTAIN MILES AND, AND ENGINE HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO THEY HAVE THAT. 
          UH, BUT JUST CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THOSE INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES. 
          UH, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME VERY BUSY STATIONS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET SOME AGE ON SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT, THERE'S SOME CONSIDERED THAT WE SUGGESTED MAYBE SOME CONSIDERATION TO MOVE THOSE BUSIER UNITS TO LESS BUSIER STATIONS, RIGHT? TO EXTEND THAT LIFE, UH, ON, ON THE LIFE, UH, CYCLE ON THOSE APPARATUS. 
          SO WE GAVE YOU AN INITIATIVE ON THAT, THE GROWTH PIECE, RIGHT? SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE GROWTH AND HOW IT IMPACTS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANNA MAINTAIN IS THAT CLASS ONE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A CLASS ONE COMMUNITY UNDER ISO AND YOU WANNA MAINTAIN THAT. 
          UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A PRETTY STRONG ISO ONE. 
          NOW, I THINK YOUR CREDITS ARE, IT'S ANYTHING BETWEEN 90 AND A HUNDRED, RIGHT? AND SO YOU'RE AT LIKE 95 POINT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING. 
          UH, SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE A VERY GOOD ISO ONE, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT. 
          YOU'VE WORKED HARD TO GET THERE. 
          YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT AS A COUNCIL AND FUNDING TO GET THERE. 
          UH, AND IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY INSURANCE. 
          YOU KNOW, ISO INSURERS. 
          LOOK AT THAT. 
          THE ONES WHO USE THAT, 'CAUSE NOT ALL USE IT, BUT THE ONES WHO USE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT THAT AS A VERY, UH, PREPARED COMMUNITY FOR BUILDING FIRES. 
          SO, UH, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE MIH, THE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH PROGRAM, UH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, SO THAT'S YOUR RESILIENT COMMUNITY. 
          COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, THAT'S YOUR FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. 
          COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION IS, THAT'S THE CONTEMPORARY TERM FOR FIRE PREVENTION. 
          UH, AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT HOW BUSY THEY ARE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DO. 
          UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO PICKED UP HERE IS THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY EDUCATION. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE FOR COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THEIR WORKLOAD AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY CAN'T GET TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE A DEDICATED PERSON TO DO, UH, PUBLIC LIFE SAFETY EDUCATION. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, OKAY? IF YOU GET A FIRE IN YOUR HOME, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO. 
          UM, IF, IF, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET A KITCHEN FIRE, HERE'S WHAT YOU DO. 
          A VULNERABLE POPULATION. 
          IF YOU GET A FIRE, UH, IN A, IN A BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF VULNERABLE POPULATION, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO EDUCATE THEM, YOU DON'T WANT THEM COMING OUT IN THE HALLWAY. 
          IT MAY BE THAT THEY STAY PUT UNTIL THEY'RE TOLD TO COME OUT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, CLOSING YOUR DOOR IN THESE MULTI-FAMILY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YOU JUST CLOSE THE DOOR BEHIND YOU WHEN YOU LEAVE, IF THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE IS, IF YOU LEAVE IT OPEN, WHAT HAPPENS? THAT LEAVES YOUR, YOUR APARTMENT OR YOUR UNIT AND, AND GETS INTO THE REST OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO, PUBLIC LIFE SAFETY EDUCATION IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, SO WE'VE GIVEN YOU A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE ON THAT. 
          UH, ON ADDING A POSITION, THE OPERATIONAL RESOURCES, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. 
          UH, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH, I'LL SUM IT UP, YOUR GROWTH AND YOUR DEMAND, RIGHT? SO EMS, YOU'RE EVENTUALLY PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO ADD SOME AN EMS UNIT AT STATION ONE AND AN EMS UNIT. 
          I THINK WE, WE, WE, WE SAID STATION FIVE, OKAY? JUST A, A A, AN ADDITIONAL UNIT BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND. 
          OKAY? AS THE DEMAND GOES UP, YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH RESPONSE TIMES AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          UH, LEAVE THE QUINCE AT STATION TWO AND SIX. 
          GET A LADDER AT, UH, AN ADDITIONAL LADDER AT STATION THREE. 
          UH, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. 
          ONE OF THE INITIATIVES THAT THE CHIEF AND I, UH, TALKED ABOUT WAS, YOU'VE GOT A RESCUE UNIT, BUT REALLY YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO HAVE THOSE TECHNICAL RESCUE FOR VEHICLE EXTRICATION, ROPES AND ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          HIGH ANGLE RESCUE, UH, IF YOU WANNA HAVE THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, SO YOU JUST TAKE ENGINES ONE IN FIVE, AND YOU JUST CONVERT THEM TO RESCUE ENGINES, RIGHT? IT'S A VERY POPULAR THING IN THE FIRE SERVICE. 
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YOU BUY THAT EQUIPMENT, YOU PUT IT ON THERE, YOU TRAIN THE PEOPLE. 
          NOW YOU HAVE THOSE, THOSE ASSETS ARE AVAILABLE 24 7 WITH STAFF CREWS. 
          SO YOU NOT CROSS STAFFING THINGS. 
          YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. 
          UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. 
          HERE'S YOUR EXTRA AMBULANCES, MUTUAL AND AUTOMATIC AID WE TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT? UH, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S JUST ENGAGING, UH, AND, AND EVALUATING THE USE OF, UH, DALLAS, UH, CITY AND JUST MAINTAINING ALL OF YOUR AGREEMENTS, UH, WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          RESPONSE TIMES. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT CHIEF TOLD YOU WHAT HE'S DOING THERE, UH, TO PROTECT THAT AND GET THAT, UH, SQUARED AWAY. 
          AND THAT'S YOUR NEW STATION. 
          SEVEN. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR, YOU'VE HAD A LONG EVENING. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE SOLID WAYS. 
          FIRE, EMS, JOE POZO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR, UH, FOR LISTENING. 
          THANK YOU, JOE. 
          UP FOR QUESTIONS. 
          COUNSEL, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MR. BARRIOS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, CHIEF OR JOE? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, BUT, UM, I, LOOKING AT THE, LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION, I'M STILL UNCLEAR ABOUT ONE THING. 
          AND I WAS HOPING YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY. 
          'CAUSE I, I REALLY WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND I CAN'T SAY I DO. 
          WHAT'S, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW RUNS ARE MEASURED. 
          CAN YOU JUST QUICKLY KIND OF MAYBE EXPLAIN THAT DIFFERENTLY? SO THE RUNS VERSUS CALLS? YES. 
          BASICALLY, YES. 
          THAT, THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO A CALL, IF WE WERE TO CALL 9 1 1 RIGHT NOW FOR A CARDIAC ARREST, OKAY, THAT GENERATES A CALL. 
          SO THAT IS ONE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CALL FOR SERVICE. 
          IT'S AN INCIDENT NUMBER, RIGHT? AND THEN FOR THAT RESPONSE FOR A CARDIAC ARREST IS GONNA GET A FIRE APPARATUS AND AN AMBULANCE. 
          SO THAT'S A RUN FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS AND A RUN FOR THE AMBULANCE. 
          MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          TO GO TO THAT ONE INCIDENT NUMBER, WHICH IS A CALL, AND, AND THOSE ARE DETERMINED BY INDUSTRY STANDARD, OR THOSE DETERMINED BY YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S HOW IT'S COUNTED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          THAT'S AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, AS FAR AS HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS EMS WE SEND, OKAY. 
          LIKE, LIKE HOW MANY, LIKE HOW MANY ENGINES DID WE SEND TO A HOUSE FIRE? AND HOW MANY YES, SIR. 
          THAT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE, RIGHT? SO A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IS 16 PEOPLE. 
          SO IF YOU, IF YOU STAFF WITH FOUR, THEN THAT WOULD TAKE FOUR UNITS TO GET TO 16. 
          SO THAT'S A STANDARD. 
          SO THAT IS A NATIONAL STANDARD, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT STAFF ENGINES WITH THREE AND THEIR LADDERS WITH THREE, SO THEY GOTTA SEND AN ADDITIONAL, RIGHT? SO NOW THEY'RE SENDING PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT, THAT'S A STANDARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MS. JUSTICE, UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          UH, THE REPORT IS VERY THOROUGH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, READ IT IN ADVANCE. 
          AND SO THAT WAS REALLY, UM, UH, HELPFUL TO HAVE. 
          AND CHIEF, I WOULD JUST SAY TO YOU AS YOUR PLANNING ACTUALLY COMING UP WITH YOUR MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BIG RECOMMENDATIONS AS YOU ALLUDED TO IN THE BEGINNING, A NEW FIRE STATION AND A BUNCH OF NEW EQUIPMENT AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. 
          AND, AND THEN THE STAFF THAT GO WITH ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND MR. MAGNER IN DEVELOPING THE MASTER PLAN AND FUTURE BUDGETS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ABSORB THAT SLOWLY. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA NEED, YOU KNOW, 12 NEW FIREFIGHTERS FOR A NEW FIRE STATION, CAN WE START ADDING ONE OR TWO OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS VERSUS ADDING 12 AND, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT WE CAN SLOWLY START TO ABSORB THAT INTO OUR BUDGET. 
          I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE MASTER PLAN WHEN YOU BRING IT BACK TO US, UH, AND, AND REALLY GET A DRAFT UNDERWAY ABOUT WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GONNA BE. 
          SO, SO GOOD WORK SO FAR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND I DIDN'T GET TO THE NEXT STEPS. 
          UM, IF, IF YOU WILL, REALLY QUICK. 
          SO, UH, SO THE NEXT STEPS ARE TO REVIEW AND CONSIDER ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UM, THE CPS M'S RECOMMENDED INITIATIVES, UH, UPDATE WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR OUR FACILITIES. 
          AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO, AND THEN WE HAVE IT MAPPED OUT, UH, OUR CURRENT APPARATUS AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. 
          'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO REPLACE WHAT WE'RE RUNNING TODAY IN ADDITIONAL TO ALL OF THAT IS RIGHT, UH, PER, UH, PRIORITIZE ALL OF THIS. 
          AND THEN WORK WITH, UM, OUR OTHER DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, MR. MAGNER. 
          'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE KNOW WE GOT THE AQUATICS, WE KNOW WE GOT THE SOLID WASTE. 
          WE KNOW WE HAVE THE PARKS, WE HAVE TO WORK ALL THAT TOGETHER, UM, AND ALL OF THAT TO BRING TOGETHER AND SAY, HOW DO WE DO THAT IN A MANNER THAT STILL DOESN'T GET US BEHIND O OVER THE YEARS? SO A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA BE PRIORITIZATION. 
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YEAH, I THINK THAT AND THEN, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          I MEAN, IT IS A LOT TO THINK ABOUT, AND PART OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE'VE HAD MULTIFAMILY STUFF COME TO US IS, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA START SEEING PUBLIC SAFETY CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THIS. 
          I WAS REALLY GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I HOPE THAT PD IS DOING THE SAME THING, BECAUSE AS WE, WE KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY ENTITLED AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT. 
          SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, AND THIS IS GONNA BE HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR THAT, THAT PROCESS. 
          SO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          NO, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HUT. 
          RUNNER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, JOE, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUENESS HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ISO OR Y'ALL CONSIDER THAT WE'VE TAKEN THE STEP OF ADDING, UM, AEDS ON ALL OF OUR POLICE CARS AND HAVING OFFICERS TRAINED. 
          DOES THAT, DOES THAT GET FACTORED INTO ANY OF YOUR, AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIMES? DOES IT, IT WON'T ON ISO 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, REMEMBER, THAT'S JUST BUILDING FIRES. 
          UM, WHAT IT DOES IS, IS IT, IT IT PROVIDES A MORE RAPID RESPONSE IN A, IN, IN DISTRICTS AND AREAS IF SOMEBODY IS IN CARDIAC ARREST. 
          UH, BUT, UH, WE DON'T FACTOR, WE DID NOT FACTOR THAT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I JUST WAS CURIOUS. 
          IT'S AN EXCELLENT, IT'S AN EXCELLENT THING TO DO. 
          HOWEVER, UH, NO, A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE. 
          I'M JUST, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS WHAT Y'ALL LOOK AT AND WHAT'S CONSIDERED. 
          SECOND QUESTION IS, THERE ARE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, FIRE SLASH SLASH EMS, WHO HAVE GONE AWAY FROM AN AMBULANCE SLASH FIRE APPARATUS RESPONDING TO A AMBULANCE AND A SUBURBAN WITH TWO PARAMEDICS ON BOARD, STRATEGICALLY PLACED ACROSS THE CITY. 
          DID Y'ALL REVIEW OR CONSIDER THAT AS A PART OF YOUR WE DO. 
          WE DO. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND, AND I ACTUALLY, OUR, OUR TEAM ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT FOR THIS STUDY. 
          UH, BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR RISK, YOUR BUILDING RISK AND YOUR FIRE RISK, UH, IT, IT TAKES STAFFING. 
          SOMETIMES IT TAKES STAFFING AWAY FROM THE FIRE TRUCKS, UH, TO RUN THOSE QUICK RESPONSE VEHICLES. 
          UH, SO IT'S, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS EITHER GET ANOTHER TRUCK COMPANY, RIGHT? SORT OF, SO BE REALISTIC. 
          OKAY. 
          ANOTHER TRUCK COMPANY, ANOTHER STATION THAT HAS AN ENGINE AND AN AMBULANCE. 
          UH, GET SOME, GET SOME ADDITIONAL CIVILIAN SUPPORT, UH, AND, AND SOME COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION SUPPORT OR, UH, AND ADD IN A NEW SERVICE LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE THOUGHT THERE WERE MORE, THERE WERE SOME MORE CRITICAL THINGS. 
          HOWEVER, UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE CHIEF COULD CONSIDER. 
          UH, I'M, I'M DOING A PROJECT NOW IN MICHIGAN WHERE, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'VE GIVEN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT. 
          SO IT'S NOT OUT OF OUR REALM. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO IF I MAY, ONE THING ON THAT, SO WE LOOKED AT THAT PRETTY HEAVILY, AND THERE'S TWO WAYS GENERALLY TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A QUICK RESPONSE UNIT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? UM, THE SUBURBAN TYPE THING. 
          SO YOU CAN, THE MODELS THAT I'VE SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT'S NOT REALLY A QUICK RESPONSE. 
          IT'S INSTEAD OF IN THE INCIDENT, SO ON, ON CERTAIN RESPONSES, CARDIAC ARREST, CERTAIN OTHER TYPE OF, OF SITUATIONS, RATHER THAN DISPATCHING THE ENGINE COMPANY TO SUPPORT THE AMBULANCE, YOU'RE DISPATCHING THE SUBURBAN TO SUPPORT THAT AMBULANCE. 
          SO YOU DON'T PUT THE ENGINE COMPANY OUTTA SERVICE, YOU LEAVE THE ENGINE COMPANY IN SERVICE IN THEIR DISTRICT. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE PARAMEDIC ON, ON, YOU HAVE PARAMEDICS ON BOARD ON YOUR FIRE. 
          SO YOU THEN DON'T HAVE THE SECONDARY RESPONSE BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT ONE CALL, SAY IT'S STATION, PICK ONE, STATION TWO, AND YOU RESPOND BOTH THE AMBULANCE AND THE, AND YOUR FIRE APPARATUS FOR ONE EMS CALL, THEN IF YOU HAVE EITHER A FIRE OR AN ANOTHER EMS CALL DROP IN THAT DISTRICT, THEN YOU'RE HAVING TO PULL FROM A DIFF DIFFERENT DISTRICT TO COVER THAT. 
          VERSUS THE MODELS THAT HAVE THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SET UP ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          THEY GO WITH THE AMBULANCE, THEY GO WITH, THEY LEAVE THE, THEY LEAVE THE FIRE TRUCK STILL IN DISTRICT, THEY DISPATCH THE, THE SUBURBAN, LET'S CALL IT, OR THE TAHOE, THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE DOESN'T MATTER WITH TWO PARAMEDICS ON BOARD TO SUPPORT THE AMBULANCE. 
          SO IN THE EVENT IT IS A CARDIAC ARREST OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF MAJOR MEDICAL WHERE YOU NEED AN ADDITIONAL HANDS, YOU DO THAT SO THAT YOU LEAVE YOUR FIRE TRUCK WITH YOUR PARAMEDICS STILL ON BOARD. 
          SO THEY CAN EITHER RESPOND TO FIRE OR EMS. SO THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION. 
          IF THAT WAS REVIEWED OR CONSIDERED, NOT QUICK RESPONSE TO IN PLACE OF, OF AN, OF AN ADDITIONAL AMBULANCE. 
          IT'S IN, IN ESSENCE, IN PLACE OF DISPATCHING THE FIRE TRUCK. 
          SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESILIENCY AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT TAXING, IF I CAN USE THAT TERM AS MUCH, YOUR FIRE APPARATUS ALL THE TIME TO SUPPORT YOUR 73% OF YOUR EMS CALLS. 
          SO THAT WAS, THAT'S THE MODEL THAT I'VE SEEN DEPLOYED IN PARTS, PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND WE DID LOOK AT THAT. 
          WE CALL THOSE SQUATS. 
          SO, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE A MANNED SUBURBAN, OR LET'S SAY A STAFFED 
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SUBURBAN, SORRY, UH, WITH TWO PEOPLE ON IT TO CHASE THE AMBULANCE AS NEEDED, BASICALLY. 
          WELL, WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN OUR SITUATION, MAPPING EVERYTHING OUT, IT MADE MORE SENSE TO TAKE THOSE TWO, SAME, THOSE SAME TWO PEOPLE AND PUT 'EM ON AMBULANCES. 
          INSTEAD, YOU'RE STILL PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT OF PE UH, MONEY PER PERSON. 
          THAT'S OUR REALLY EXPENSIVE PART. 
          AND PUT THEM ON THE TWO ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES. 
          AND THAT INCREASED OUR AMBULANCE FLEET. 
          IT DIDN'T HELP THE, THE FIRE APPARATUS RUNNING, BUT IN THE END, THE FIRE APPARATUS USUALLY WILL, WILL GO AND CLEAR PRETTY QUICKLY AND STILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANOTHER CALL. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE WENT WITH THAT. 
          BUT IT'S MORE TO LOOK AT IN, IN ALL OF THIS AS WELL. 
          AND, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH THE CHIEF, UH, SIR, UH, ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE ON THAT AND WHAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, STUDIED BEFORE AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, SO AS AN EXTENSION OF JUST KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, IF HE GETS TO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR PROTO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION. 
          VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. 
          UH, NOW PROBABLY I MISSED IT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW THAT STATION SEVEN, DID YOU MENTION WHEN WE WOULD NEED THAT BY THE YEAR? NO, THAT GOES BACK TO OUR PRIORITIZING AND LOOKING, UM, A STATION WOULD TAKE AFTER YOU PROVIDE THE LAND AND SAY GO, WE'RE TALKING A MINIMUM OF PROBABLY THREE TO THREE AND A HALF YEARS, UM, TO, TO DESIGN IT, BUILD IT, GET IT GOING, HIRING THE PERSONNEL, GETTING THE PERSONNEL TRAINED, BUYING THE EQUIPMENT. 
          AN ENGINE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT THREE YEARS LEAD TIME AND AMBULANCE IS ABOUT TWO YEARS LEAD TIME. 
          SO YOU HAVE ALL THAT. 
          UM, SO IT'S RIGHT NOW TOWARD THE END OF OUR PLAN. 
          UM, SO THE TIMEFRAME EXACTLY DON'T, WE HAVEN'T KINDA LANDED ON, BUT IT'S, IT'S TOWARD THE, THE BACK END OF THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW GIVE ME, YOU GIVE ME MY SECOND QUESTION, AND SIR, THAT I DID NOT ASK YOU ALREADY, BUT YOU ARE ADVANCE, UH, NOW MY QUESTION, THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT, DO WE NEED THAT STATION SEVEN THIS YEAR, DECEMBER, I MEAN, DO WE NEED THAT IMMEDIATELY RIGHT NOW, THAT STATION SEVEN OR IT'S GOOD TO HAVE RIGHT NOW STATION SEVEN, OR WE ARE PROJECTING THAT IN FIVE YEARS, WE ARE GONNA NEED THAT STATION SEVEN OR SO WORTH THAT STATION SEVEN. 
          LIKE, SO JUST AS INITIAL THOUGHTS, WE ARE GOOD AT THIS TIME RIGHT NOW. 
          GOOD. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE HOLDING OUR OWN. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WELL, THE PROBLEM IS BE, IS GONNA BE WHEN ALL OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE REALLY COMING IN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE HIGHER THE DENSITY, THE MORE PEOPLE, THE MORE TRAFFIC, ALL OF THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA NEED, UM, THE ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES AND THE ADDITIONAL STATION. 
          SO ARE WE, DO WE NEED IT THIS DECEMBER? NO, I'M THINKING PROBABLY SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS? YES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          NOW HERE'S A QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS PERSONALLY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE DENSITY SOMETIMES IN STRATEGIC LOCATION IS GOOD BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE US MORE REVENUE. 
          BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK THAT, OKAY, IT'S GONNA GIVE US SOME REVENUE, BUT WE HAVE TO INVEST BACK SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THOSE THINGS. 
          SO IT'S GONNA INCREASE COST ON OTHER THINGS LIKE THE FIRE AND POLICE BECAUSE OF POPULATION CHANGE, YOU KNOW, NUMBER CHANGE. 
          SO WE HAVE TO INVEST MORE. 
          SO SOME OF THE COST WILL BE GOING UP NATURALLY BECAUSE OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT SAME TIME. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, UH, THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, REVENUE VERSUS THEN THE COST TO OPERATE THAT. 
          UH, SO BALANCING THIS IS THE ART, THIS IS THE TOUGH JOB FOR THE CITY MANAGER. 
          SO I, I DON'T HAVE TO SWEAT IT. 
          I THINK I SHOULD STOP RIGHT THERE. 
          BUT MY QUESTION IS THAT NOW IT WOULD BE COMING BACK, I GUESS WITH PROJECTED COST INCREASE OR COST TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT STATION SEVEN, BECAUSE BUILDING IS ONE THING, GO AHEAD AND GET THE BOND AND THEN WE GET IT DONE. 
          BUT THEN THE YEARLY COST THAT'S GONNA BE INVOLVED EVERY YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S MOST REALLY, THAT'S THE TOUGHEST PART, LIKE HAVING RECURRING COST EVERY YEAR. 
          PERSONAL, YEAH, PERSONAL. 
          SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD KNOW THE PROJECTED COST, I GUESS SOON, UH, AS, AS, AS PART OF WHAT WE BRING BACK IN Q1 25, WE'LL HAVE BOTH THE CAPITAL AND THE OPERATING COST CONSIDERATIONS. 
          OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          BY LOOKING AT THE MAP, IT, YOU KNOW, I'M, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOUR DATA SHOWS THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, UH, 
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WOULD DEFINITELY REDUCE SOME OF THE, THE, THE ROUND CO TIME THAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, BECAUSE IF SOME OF THE STATION GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN WE ARE PRETTY MUCH OUT ON ONE, ONE SIDE. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF RISK THAT WE ARE RUNNING IF WE HAVE MORE DENSE OR MORE MORE PROPERTY DEVELOPED. 
          AND, UH, WOULD YOUR REPORT WOULD MASTER PLAN, WOULD THIS SHOW THAT HOW HIGH THE BUILDING COULD BE SERVICED IN THE FUTURE? UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOUR, YOU HAVE LIKE 35 FEET ABOVE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT 35 FEET ABOVE? CAN WE GO 400 FEET TALL BUILDING? I'M JUST THROWING A NUMBER. 
          NOT NECESSARILY 400 FEET TALL BUILDING THAT WE HAVE. 
          I THINK WE HAVE 300 FEET THAT APPROVED SOMEWHERE THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING 300 FEET TALL BUILDING. 
          UH, MARTHA, THE MAX WE HAVE, WELL, UH, STATE FARM'S A 21 STORY STATE FARM B, OR UH, B IS 21 STORIES. 
          SO THAT'S PROBABLY 240 WHAT WE GOT, WESLEY, DO YOU KNOW TALLEST ONE? NO FOOTAGE. 
          I TELL US ONE OF FOOTAGE TELL YEAH, I MEAN, 21 STORIES, IT'S, IT'S 15 PROBABLY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IT'S 2 42 50 ISH. 
          RIGHT? SO IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE BUILDING LIKE THAT IN 20 YEARS, BECAUSE ALL, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE LAND PRICE GOES REALLY CRAZY WAY UP, PEOPLE ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT THE EQUATION WILL CHANGE. 
          THEN YOU, YOU'LL BE BUILDING HIGHER HIGH RISK BUILDING ON A SMALLER LOT, RIGHT? GO MUCH VERTICAL. 
          BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM SERVICE OR WE HAVE TO RESTRICT THE HEIGHT, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO KNOW THE NUMBER. 
          SO DATA, THAT'S WHEN THE DATA COMES. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA. 
          SO IF WE HAVE SOME DATA THAT, OKAY, WE CAN GO UP TO THIS EFFECTIVELY WITH THIS ALL SEVEN STATION, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE, WE CAN GO, I MEAN, THEN THE COST DOES NOT ALLOW US TO PLAY WITH THE NEW, NEW IDEA. 
          SO I DUNNO, ARE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOME GUIDANCE IN THIS MASTER PLAN THAT YOU CAN DO THIS MANY THINGS WITH THIS OR THIS MANY HEIGHT? WELL, I BELIEVE, UH, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT I, WHAT I BELIEVE YOU'RE ASKING, CAN WE GO MORE HIGHER BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YES. 
          THE ANSWER IS YES. 
          UH, GOOD. 
          A HIGHRISE IS A HIGH RISE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU'RE JUST HAVING MORE BUILDINGS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA REQUIRE THAT INITIAL RESPONSE FORCE THAT 42 PEOPLE. 
          AND IF, IF WE CALL A SECOND ALARM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THOSE PEOPLE FROM SOMEWHERE. 
          THAT'S OUR MUTUAL AID PARTNERS WHEN WE NEED MORE. 
          SO THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL, THE DAY BEFORE IT OPENED, IT CAUGHT ON FIRE ON THE 10TH FLOOR, UH, BEFORE WE GOT IT OUT, WHICH WAS JUST A MATTRESS. 
          WE HAD FOUR ALARMS ON THE SCENE AND OR ALMOST TO THE SCENE. 
          AND THAT, I FORGET HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WAS AT THAT TIME AND ALL OF THAT. 
          IT TAKES SO LONG TO GET TO THESE THINGS AND DEAL WITH IT, BUT WE JUST CALL AND GET MORE AND MORE AND MORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT WOULD GET TO A POINT, I'M SORRY, LET ME, LET ME SEE. 
          SO DOES, DOES THE NUMBER OF STORIES ON A, ON A HIGH RISE, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT THE APPARATUS ISN'T GOING TO REACH THE, THE, THE FLOOR. 
          OH, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW, HOW MANY MORE STORIES YOU GO ABOVE THAT? I THINK THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA NEED NEW APPARATUS OR MORE APPARATUS JUST BECAUSE WE GO TALLER. 
          GOT YOU. 
          NOW I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? NO, SO THE BUILDINGS WE HAVE NOW, LIKE STATE FARM, WE CANNOT REACH THE TOP OF STATE FARM NOW, RIGHT? UM, THOSE, THOSE LADDERS ARE DESIGNED UP TO A CERTAIN DEAL AND THEN THEY'LL SHOOT WATER HIGHER. 
          RIGHT? UM, BUT ONCE YOU GET TO THESE 75 FEETS AND ALL OF THAT, IT'S ALL FIGHTING FROM THE INSIDE. 
          SO IT'S NOT BUYING NECESSARILY A DIFFERENT TYPE OF APPARATUS. 
          THERE'S SOME VENTILATION EQUIPMENT AND TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS REGULAR FIRE APPARATUS, NO, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE A CHANGE. 
          AND, AND YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, AND CURTIS CAN, OR WESLEY CAN SPEAK BETTER TO THIS, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHRISE BUILDINGS, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION, QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION, AND IT REQUIRES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO FIRE SUPPRESSION. 
          AND, AND SO I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT SITUATION. 
          I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY WORSE TO TRY TO FIGHT A FIRE IN A FIVE STORY WOOD FRAME MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THAN IT IS A HIGH RISE. 
          AND SO THE, I I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THE QUAL AND, AND THE QUALITY OF WHAT THE BUILDING AND THE FIRE CODES ARE MANDATING TODAY REALLY, REALLY REDUCES THE FIRE RISK IN A HIGH-RISE. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR HIGH RISES HAVE THE RATED STAIRWELLS, RATED CORRIDORS, THE SMOKE EVACUATION SYSTEMS, ALL THAT STUFF, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, EVERYTHING. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, UM, THEY'RE ALL FIRE TOO MANY BIKES ON, THEY'RE ALL FIRE PROTECTED, RIGHT? SO THEY GOT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, UH, IN 'EM. 
          A LOT OF YOUR MULTI-FAMILY 
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RESIDENTIAL HAS SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN 'EM, SID MANAGER'S, RIGHT? YOU GET A FIRE AT A TWO OR THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S GETTING GOTTEN INTO THE COMMON ROOF AND IT'S RUNNING THAT ROOF, YOU GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE LADDER TRUCKS COME IN, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU WANT GET ABOVE THEM AND, AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE PUTTING THE WATER DOWN, UH, A HIGH RISE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET TO THE SIXTH OR SEVENTH FLOOR WITH A LADDER TRUCK IN THE 21 STORY BUILDING, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE LADDER UP BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED TO GET, YOU MAY NOT BE NEED TO GET TO THAT FLOOR. 
          THE FIRE MAY BE ON THE 18TH FLOOR. 
          THE PROBLEM MAY BE ON THE 18TH FLOOR. 
          YOU'RE BUYING LADDER TRUCKS, UH, AND THE TYPES OF LADDER TRUCKS YOU'RE BUYING FOR YOUR EVERYDAY FIRES, FOR YOUR EVERYDAY EMERGENCIES, YOU'RE, AND UP TO, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE AND SIX STORY BUILDINGS, MAYBE SEVEN STORY BUILDINGS, UH, BECAUSE THAT LADDER, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HOW FAR AWAY IS THE BUILDING FROM THE STREET WHERE YOU CAN GET IT, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UH, YOU COULD BUILD 'EM 40 STORIES, BUT OKAY. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER IS THAT HAVING A HIGH RISE BUILDING IS NOT A PROBLEM. 
          WHAT WE HAVE. 
          NO, SIR. 
          WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'RE NOT REALLY INVESTING DISPROPORTIONATELY TO HAVE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT ANSWER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CORCORAN. 
          OH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, JOE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I THINK THIS, UM, THIS DISCUSSION AROUND STATION SEVEN JUST AMONGST COUNCIL HAS JUST BEEN REALLY HELPFUL, UH, TO ME BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF QUESTIONING WHY WE NEEDED IT, BUT NOW I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE NEED FROM THE LONG-TERM PERSPECTIVE. 
          EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT NEEDS GONNA BE THERE BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ENTITLED, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE HORSES HAS KIND OF LEFT THE BARN THERE ON DENSITY AND, AND MULTIFAMILY JUST IN THAT DOESN'T REALLY, AT THIS POINT, THE NEED IS GONNA HAPPEN KIND OF NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, RIGHT? IT, IT'S, THAT'S MY VIEW. 
          NOT, NOT TO MENTION, UM, IT'S NOT JUST, I ALSO, I GUESS THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, SORRY, IT'S KIND OF LATE. 
          UM, THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS, IT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT US OR ANYONE WHO LISTENS TO THIS TO THINK THAT IT'S JUST, JUST BECAUSE OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THESE PLANS FOR THE IQ AND FOR MAIN STREET AND THE CORE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY RESIDENTIAL THAT MAY INVOLVE, UH, A GREATER RISK AS WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE. 
          RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE TO LEAVE THE DISCUSSION THINKING THAT IT'S LIKE, JUST BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED SOME APARTMENTS, THAT SUDDENLY WE HAVE TO BUILD ALL THESE NEW STATIONS. 
          UM, WHAT I WILL SAY THOUGH IS JUST MY, MY ACTUALLY MY ONLY, MY ONLY ACTUAL QUESTION, UM, SO I'M JUST PRAISING YOU IN THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS WHAT IS, UH, CPS M'S ROLE GOING FORWARD WITH ALL THESE PLANS? HAVE YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS KIND OF MADE THE BASE PLAN, YOU GUYS DID THE, THE RESEARCH AND NOW WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UH, WE DROPPED IT OFF FOR YOU AND WE'RE DONE AFTER TONIGHT. 
          NO, YOU'RE FLYING OUT, OR HERE'S WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, AND WHAT I DO PERSONALLY MM-HMM. 
           FOR ALL OF MY, MY CUSTOMERS AND CLIENTS OKAY. 
          PEOPLE I WORK WITH, UM, THE CHIEF MAY CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, JOE, UH, CAN YOU SEND ME SOME INFORMATION ON THIS? MM-HMM. 
           OR THE SUBURBANS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TAG WITH, UH, WITH EMS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          UH, I WILL HELP ALL THAT I, THAT I ALWAYS DO. 
          OKAY? MM-HMM, . 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE, THE PROJECT, WE ARE FINISHED TONIGHT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING YOU NEED, UH, I DID A PROJECT VERY SIMILAR TO THIS AND THE CITY, UH, JUST SORT OF SOUTH AND EAST OF HERE. 
          UH, AND I GOT OFF THE PHONE TODAY WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, AND I'M GOING BACK THERE TO DO SOME MORE WORK FOR THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'VE EVOLVED OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS AND THEY NEED ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           A VERY SIMILAR, UH, TO, TO THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, IT'S CALLED A STANDARDS OF COVER. 
          SO, UH, I'M, WE'RE, WE'RE AVAILABLE. 
          I'M AVAILABLE ANYTIME YOU NEED ANY EXTENSION ON ANYTHING OR JUST CONVERSATION. 
          I DO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          THANK YOU MR. DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR JOE, THANK YOU, UH, FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          IT, UH, YOU WERE VERY THOROUGH. 
          IT WAS LONG AND IT WAS GOOD. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION. 
          I KNOW OUR CITY IS GROWING AND AS WE DEVELOP THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS, UH, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THE THING THAT STAKEHOLDERS AND THE RESIDENTS, UH, PRIDE THEMSELVES ON IS HAVING A, UH, A WELL, UH, WELL-OILED MACHINE, SO TO SPEAK, AND, AND A SORT OF A BOUTIQUE, UH, 
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UH, ENVIRONMENT OF HAVING EMERGENCY CARE. 
          AND AS WE GROW, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE, UH, FACTORS. 
          AND TO YOUR POINT, CHIEF, UH, YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE ABOUT A SEVEN YEAR PLAN TO POTENTIALLY NEED ANOTHER FIRE STATION. 
          AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE POTENTIALLY CONSIDERING ADDING NEW EQUIPMENT AND BUILDING SOME INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S STAFFING OR EQUIPMENT. 
          AND, AND WITH THAT AND, AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF GROWTH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF UN UNKNOWN AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THAT'S GOING TO GO. 
          UM, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU SEE CHIEF AS THE TIMELINE TO START BRINGING ON, UH, SOME OF THESE, UH, ELEMENTS AND THAT SOME OF THESE CHANGES, I MEAN, SOME OF THEM MIGHT REALIZE THEY'RE IMMEDIATE AND THEN SOME OF THEM PROGRESS, BUT WITHIN THAT SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PROGRESSING IN YOUR MASTER PLAN? GOTCHA. 
          SO I'M, I'M PLANNING ON THIS BEING MAINLY A 10 YEAR PLAN AND EVEN THIS CURRENT, UM, BUDGET, I REQUESTED THE EMS OFFICERS, UM, UH, THE, SOME OF THE STAFF THAT, THAT WAS MENTIONED AND ALL OF THAT, OF COURSE, THIS BUDGET IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? UH, SO THAT MAYBE WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 
          SO ACTUALLY, WE STARTED IT BACK, IT REALLY STARTED EVEN QUITE A WAYS BACK, LIKE STATION THREE, WE SAW THIS COMING. 
          SO WE BUILT STATION THREE FOR ANY KIND OF AERIAL LADDER WE, WE WOULD NEED. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS GONNA BE AT THE TIME. 
          SO WE BUILT IT AT THAT YEAR'S COST, AND WE, WE DID THAT. 
          STATION FIVE IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW FOR SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL AND ALL THAT. 
          SO IT ACTUALLY STARTED A LONG TIME AGO. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH AND, AND WORK WITH MR. MAGNER AND, AND LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BIG TICKET ITEMS AND TRY TO PLAN THIS OUT. 
          BUT WE'RE PRIORITIZING REALLY EMS FIRST. 
          IT'S THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, AND WITH THE MS OFFICERS AND THEN, UH, THE STAFF POSITIONS, THEN PROBABLY WE WILL LOOK AT AN AMBULANCE DOWNTOWN STATION ONE, PROBABLY A PEAK DEMAND RUN AT SEVEN TO SEVEN. 
          THAT'S OUR, OUR BUSIEST TIMES RIGHT NOW. 
          CHIEF YOUNGER KEEPS PULLING THAT DATA AND MAYBE GO THAT WAY AND THEN START BUILDING ON TOP OF THAT AND WOULD PROBABLY END IT WITH A STATION SEVEN. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          WELL, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I, I REALLY LIKE THE TRACTOR UNIT BY THE WAY. 
          . 
          . 
          ANYWAY, THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND THANK YOU, CHIEF, I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, CHIEF, I, I DID WANNA POINT OUT, I REALLY, JOE, I REALLY LIKED THE WAY YOU SUGGESTED AND KIND OF THE EXPLANATION BEHIND MAYBE MOVING SOME OF THE TRUCKS IN DIFFERENT, EXCUSE ME, FOR NOT KNOWING THE EX, REMEMBERING THE EXACT TERMS, BUT THE VARIOUS TRUCKS IN STRATEGIC POSITIONS. 
          UM, I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION. 
          THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. 
          SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, UM, FIRE STATION, I KNOW THAT'S THE PIECE OF ONE PIECE OF A LOT WHAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT IT'S THE PIECE I THINK A LOT OF US ARE FOCUSING IN ON. 
          UM, SEEING WHERE, OBVIOUSLY I LIVE NEAR STATION TWO, I'M LOOKING AT, UM, HOW BUSY THAT IS AND STATION ONE, HOW BUSY IT IS. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE WHEN, WHEN WE SEE THIS PERHAPS LIKE, HEY, WHAT, WHAT EFFECT WILL BUILDING STATION SEVEN HAVE ON, UH, MAYBE LEVELING OUT SOME OF THOSE CALLS BETWEEN STATIONS AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO, I NOTICED LIKE SOUTH OF BELTLINE WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE LONGER RESPONSE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FIRE STATIONS, UM, I THINK WE WERE, UH, IS IT THREE, 400 OR WHATEVER THE, THE SECONDARY NUMBER WAS, WAS EVEN THEN, WE WEREN'T ALWAYS IN THERE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME PARTS LIKE THAT IN SOUTHEAST RICHARDSON AS WELL. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY, UH, AS YES, THE FIRE IS ONE PIECE OF IT, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING TO KIND OF LEVEL OUT SOME OF THAT CALL VOLUME AND ALSO INCREASE RESPONSES AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOK AT IT, UM, STRATEGICALLY. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT UNDERSTOOD. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNSEL. 
          CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU, JOE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THAT'S GOOD. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THIS TIME WE 
          [D. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]
WILL GO TO ITEM D TO REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          AND SPEAKING OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, I WANT TO THANK LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR, UH, MAKING AN EFFORT. 
          YES. 
          STAY, UH, STAY HERE WITH US TONIGHT. 
          BEEN A LONG NIGHT. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR, UH, WILLINGNESS TO LEARN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, SO COUNSEL, 
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MR. DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, UH, I HAVE ONE, UH, MOST IMPORTANT I THINK, UH, UH, EVENT THAT I NEED TO DO A CALL OUT. 
          UM, THE TEXAS, WE WERE ABLE TO JOIN AMY EMER THIS, UH, WEEKEND, UM, AT THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL CLERKS ASSOCIATION. 
          AMY WON THE NAMED 2024 TEXAS MUNICIPAL CLERK OF THE YEAR AWARD. 
          AND I HAVE TO SAY, LET'S GIVE HER A BIG NAME. 
          WOO. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
           , MS. JUSTICE, UH, THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT TO, UH, CALL OUT ANOTHER AMAZING STAFF MEMBER. 
          WE HAVE ALICIA GIMBLE. 
          SHE WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE DIALOGUE INSTITUTE AT THEIR FIRST RESPONDERS APPRECIATION DINNER, UH, LAST WEEK. 
          IT WAS WONDERFUL, UM, TO, UH, MY FAVORITE PART WAS WHEN A COMPLETE STRANGER TO ALICIA GOT UP AND TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF HER WORK ON HER LIFE WHEN THE TORNADOES CAME THROUGH IN 2019. 
          AND I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY, I, I WAS GLAD SHE GOT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES I THINK SHE'S REMOVED FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE THAT THE, THE WORK THAT SHE DOES ACTUALLY BENEFITS. 
          AND SO IT WAS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL, UH, EVENING. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC SERVICE TONIGHT, SO IT WAS GREAT FOR HER TO BE HONORED. 
          UM, SO CONGRATULATIONS TO HER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SHAME SHUL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ADD COUPLE MORE THINGS, UH, ABOUT THE EVENT THAT WE HAD THE HONOR TO JOIN WITH AMY, UH, TO CELEBRATE HER WINNING. 
          SHE WON. 
          I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG HUGE, THERE WERE 14, 14 NOMINATION AMONG 200 CITIES. 
          IF I'M RIGHT, RIGHT, MR. MAGNER, 12, 1200, I'M SORRY, 1200 CITIES. 
          I MISSED THAT ONE. 
          BUT ANYWAYS, 1200 CITIES AND 14. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE DEAL. 
          I WAS SO IMPRESSED TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAD SO MUCH RESPECT FOR OUR, AND, UH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE, WITHOUT KNOWING THOSE, I HAD HIGH RESPECT FOR HER. 
          SO SHE HAS EARNED THAT. 
          AND THANK YOU, AMY, FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR US AND, UH, AND OTHER THINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, TOMORROW IS THE ELECTION DAY, UH, HOPING, PRAY FOR EVERYONE, UH, TO STAY HAPPY, HEALTHY, AND, UH, WHOEVER IS LISTENING, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY VOTED, SO I DON'T HAVE TO REMIND YOU, BUT PLEASE REMIND OTHERS TO VOTE. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S THE THING WE CAN DO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HUT. 
          ROGER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ON, UH, TUESDAY, THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          WE HAD A VERY INFORMATIVE MEETING WITH OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          UM, KIM QUIRK CAME AND GAVE ABOUT A 45 MINUTE, UM, OVERVIEW OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER WAS VERY ENLIGHTENING, UM, VERY HELPFUL TO US. 
          SO, UM, VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR, FOR KIM AND THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE. 
          UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA, WANNA THANK HER PUBLICLY FOR THAT. 
          UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU GOT IT, JOE, REAL QUICK, UH, SOME, THE AUDIT COMMITTEE ACTUALLY MET TODAY, AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE FOUR 30, UH, PM SO IT'S BEEN DEFINITELY A LITTLE BIT LATER FOR US. 
          BUT, UH, IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD MEETING. 
          ME, UH, MYSELF, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, DORIAN AND BARRIOS WERE ALL THERE AND IT IS JUST THE, THE KICKOFF TO THE NEXT ROUND OF THE AUDIT SEASON. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THIS TIME, IS WE'RE ALSO HEARING UPDATES FROM STAFF ON VARIOUS NEW CONTROLS THEY'VE PUT IN PLACE TO EITHER, UM, ADDRESS PRIOR FINDINGS OR, UH, JUST KIND OF PREEMPT OTHER THINGS THAT MAY COME UP. 
          AND IT WAS JUST, IT'S BEEN REALLY INFORMATIVE FOR US, UH, TO TAKE THAT APPROACH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEPS, CROW WILL REACH OUT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND THEY'LL ASK US A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, UM, FOR ANYONE WHO'S BEEN ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE BEFORE ON THIS COUNCIL, IT'S A VERY EXPANDED LIST FROM PRIOR YEARS. 
          BUT, UH, ASK US THOSE QUESTIONS, AND THEN AGAIN, WE IDEALLY WON'T HEAR FROM THEM UNTIL THEY COME BACK, UH,  EARLY, EARLY NEXT YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PROCESS IN THE MEETING. 
          THANK YOU, JOE. 
          MR. BARRIOS, MAYOR, UM, LAST WEDNESDAY, I KNOW YOU'RE MAYOR, MYSELF, SEVERAL OF US, I THINK HALF OF US WERE THERE OVER AT DALLAS COLLEGE WHERE WE JOINED THE RICHARDSON ADULT, UH, LITERARY CENTER TO CELEBRATE THEIR, THEIR PARTNERSHIP IN, UM, IN PROVIDING SERVICES AND, UM, CLASSES AT DALLAS COLLEGE. 
          UM, AND THIS WONDERFUL PARTNERSHIP THEY DID, I BELIEVE IT WAS AMERICA'S CREDIT UNION, WAS THE, UH, THE, THE SPONSOR BEHIND IT AS WELL. 
          AND IT'S JUST ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE THERE WERE A LOT OF BOARD MEMBERS OF THE RICHARDSON ADULT LITERACY CENTER THERE, UH, PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR YEARS. 
          AND IT'S JUST 
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ALWAYS GREAT. 
          ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE GREAT THING, OUR, OUR RESIDENTS ARE DOING THE COMMUNITY TO CREATE INCREDIBLE IMPACT, UM, TO THOSE WHO ARE LEARNING ENGLISH. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE WELCOMING THEM WITH OPEN ARMS INTO OUR CITY AND, UH, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR THEM TO, UM, TO BETTER THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY. 
          SO, HATS OFF TO ALL THOSE INVOLVED IN THAT 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLE WORK AND, UH, I KNOW THAT WAS A, SOMETHING LONG IN THE PROCESS, SO THANK YOU TO ALL OF THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT, COUNSEL. 
          AND I'LL JUST ADD ONE THING TO MR. BARRIOS, THAT ADULT LITERACY GROUP. 
          IT'S, IT WAS THE BRIDGE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE BRIDGE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE COLLEGE FOCUSING ON THE ESL ADULTS AS OPPOSED TO YOUTH. 
          AND I THINK IT'S REALLY A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE AND THE MORE WE HAVE GROWING AND COMING INTO OUR CITY. 
          SO THAT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR MENTIONING IT. 
          UH, MAYOR PROAM, YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? YEAH, I THINK THERE IS ONE MORE. 
          I KNOW WE HAD FEW EVENTS LAST FEW DAYS, AND THERE WAS ONE LAST NIGHT THAT WAS RICHARD AND WOMEN'S CLUB TRIVIA CHALLENGE. 
          UH, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FULL HOUSE, IT WAS BENEFITING, UH, MANY INDIVIDUALS NEEDED THE SUPPORT AND ALSO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          THEY DO ALL THE HELP ALL YEAR ROUND. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE PARTICIPATED THE CHALLENGE, ME TIS AND MAYOR AND INCLUDING OUR, UH, CITY MANAGER, DON AND A COUPLE OTHER GUESTS, WE DID PRETTY GOOD. 
          UH, WE CAME IN SIXTH PLACE, , BUT THERE WERE LIKE OVER, I DON'T KNOW, 20 GROUPS, 30 GROUPS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I COULD NOT COUNT, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BIG NUMBER GROUPS. 
          BUT WE HAD, UH, I DID ENJOY, I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO. 
          THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR MANY YEARS THAT I COULD COUNT. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT. 
          WELL, I'LL ADD ONE THING, AND MR. HUTCHIN RIDER, UH, REC, UM, REPRESENTED ALL OF US VERY WELL AS THE MASTER OF CEREMONIES AT THAT EVENT AND ANOTHER YEAR WELL DONE. 
          AND WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          SO, ALRIGHT. 
          WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS. 
          WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THIS MEETING. 
          IT IS OFFICIALLY 9:42 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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