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          WELL, SORRY FOR THE DELAY. 
          UH, WE HAD A FEW TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THERE. 
          SO WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 7 0 5. 
          UM, AND WELCOME TO THE, UH, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARDSON RESIDENCE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES ON THE COMMISSION. 
          ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS. 
          IN THE CASE OF THE ABSENCE OF A REGULAR MEMBER, A DESIGNATED ALTERNATE WILL VOTE ON THE ISSUE. 
          UH, TONIGHT WE'VE GOT, UH, EIGHT COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE. 
          SO ALL OF THE, UH, REGULAR COMMISSIONERS WILL BE, UH, VOTING. 
          UM, THIS MEETING IS A BUSINESS MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH, SO AS A COURTESY, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, WE REQUEST THAT YOU TURN OFF YOUR PHONE SO THEY DON'T ADMIT SOUND AND INTERRUPT THE MEETING. 
          OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, WHEN ADDRESSING, UH, THE COMMISSION. 
          WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          SO EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST. 
          THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEY MAY RESERVE ANY PORTION OF THIS TIME FOR, UH, REBUTTAL. 
          UH, TIME SPENT IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS ASKED BY THE COMMISSION IS NOT COUNTED AGAINST THE APPLICANT. 
          THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES EACH, UH, TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND IF THERE'S ORGANI ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR, UH, ARGUMENTS. 
          UH, THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN HEARING, UH, NEW AND RELEVANT INFORMATION, NOT NECESSARILY REPETITION. 
          UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. 
          AFTER, UH, A BRIEF REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. 
          NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE RULES WE'LL GET ON WITH THE AGENDA. 
          AND, 
          [1. Approval of minutes of the regular business meetings of October 3, 2024, and October 29, 2024.]
UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF OCTOBER 3RD, 2024. 
          COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO, I MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE ACCEPT THE, IT SAYS, PRESENTED A MOTION TO ACCEPT HIM AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          UH, THE OTHER ITEM FOR, UH, UNDER NUMBER ONE IS APPROVAL OF THE, UH, MINUTES OF, UH, UH, OCTOBER 29TH, 2024. 
          AND, UH, I'LL MOVE THAT WE, UH, UH, ACCEPT THOSE AS, UH, PRESENTED SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          [2. Zoning File 24-21 PD Planned Development- Lennox Innovation R&D Center: (Continued from October 3, 2024) Consider and act on a request to rezone approximately 7.52-acres from O-M Office with special conditions to PD Planned Development for the O-M Office District with amended development standards to accommodate the development of a 45,000-square foot research and development building at 2140 Lake Park Boulevard, on the north side of Lake Park Boulevard, east of Lake Park Way. Owner: Lennox International Inc. Staff: Derica Peters.]
UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS, UM, SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 21 PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE LINUX INNOVATION R AND D CENTER. 
          UM, THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM OCTOBER 3RD, 2024. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, TO DECEMBER 17TH, 2024. 
          UH, BUT I WILL ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TONIGHT THAT WAS, UH, HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          IF YOU, IF SO, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE THEN I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, WE CONTINUE, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO UNTIL DECEMBER 17TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM I'LL SECOND. 
          UH, I HAVE A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          [3. Zoning File 24-24 PD Planned Development - Valencia Villas: (Continued from October 3, 2024) Consider and act upon a request for approval to rezone approximately 4.08-acres located at 601 E. Main Street, north of E. Main Street, east of Grove Road, from R-1500-M Residential Temp District to PD Planned Development District for a townhome development with 38-units. Owner Jamy Properties LLC. Staff: Derica Peters.]
UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON OUR AGENDA ALSO WAS SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 DASH 24. 
          UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR VALENCIA VILLAS. 
          UH, AGAIN, LIKE IN THE LAST ITEM AS CONTINUED FROM, UM, OUR MEETING ON OCTOBER 3RD, 2024, UM, THE OWNER HAS, UH, AN APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUATION TO DECEMBER 3RD. 
          UM, I ASK AGAIN, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF VALENCIA VILLAS. 
          IF SO, RAISE YOUR RIGHT, RIGHT YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE THEN I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE TO DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 AT 7:00 PM SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 
          [4. Zoning File 24-25 Special Permit – Haraz Coffee House: Consider and act of a request for approval of a Special Permit for a restaurant with drive-through service on a 0.85-acre lot currently zoned O/C Office/ Commercial within a 3,000-square foot existing lease space located at 508 Centennial Boulevard, south of Centennial Boulevard, west of Audelia Road. Owner: Jamal Gharbieh, representing Centennial Falls, LLC. Staff: Derica Peters.]
UH, ZONING. 
          FOUR. 
          UM, THIS IS ZONING FILE, 24 DASH 25 SPECIAL PERMIT FOR HARA COFFEE HOUSE. 
          AND, UH, WE WILL HEAR THIS CASE TONIGHT. 
          SO, UH, HAND IT OVER TO MS. POLLEN. 
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GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          SO ZONING FILE, UM, 24 DASH 25 IS FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST FOR A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE FOR RAZ COFFEE HOUSE. 
          SO IT IS LOCATED AT 5 0 8 CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTENNIAL, WHICH IS EAST OF, JUST EAST OF WHITEHALL DRIVE. 
          AND, UM, TO THE WEST OF LIA ROAD. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OC OFFICE COMMERCIAL, UM, THAT WAS ADOPTED FROM THE TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM ZONING. 
          AND A SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR A RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE IN THIS ZONE. 
          UM, TO THE NORTH. 
          YOU CAN SEE SOME RESIDENCES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD. 
          UM, IT'S IS IN RESIDENTIAL R 1100 ZONE, AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE, UM, ALSO ZONED THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL, UM, USE. 
          AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, RETAIL AND RESTAURANT USES WITH DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          UM, ALONG THAT, ALONG THAT STRETCH. 
          UH, SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE, UM, PROPERTY, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A DRY CLEANERS, UM, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE, UM, IT WAS A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING CONSTRUCTED IN 2000. 
          THE PROPERTY WAS REVIEWED FOR AN ADDITION, UM, AN ADDITIONAL 2000 SQUARE FEET TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          IN 2018. 
          THE DRY CLEANERS, UM, STOPPED OPERATING ABOUT 2017. 
          AND THEN THIS, UM, A REQUEST FOR AN ADDITION, UH, CAME THROUGH IN 2018. 
          UM, THAT INCLUDED, UH, THE ADDITION FOR OFFICE SPACE AND THEN THE, UM, EXPECTATION WAS THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT LEASE SPACE WOULD BE FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH USE. 
          AT THAT TIME, A DRIVE THROUGH WAS AN ALLOWED AS AN OUTRIGHT USE. 
          AND SO THE ADDITION, UM, WENT THROUGH THE STANDARD SITE PLAN REVIEWS. 
          UM, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THE BUCKINGHAM ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED THAT ADJUSTED SOME OF THOSE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, UM, WHICH PUT, UM, DRIVE THROUGHS AS REQUIRING SPECIAL PERMITS. 
          UM, AFTER THAT TIME, THE, UH, SO YOU SEE HERE TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE EAST ELEVATION, UM, FROM THE BRAHMS PROPERTY. 
          UH, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION AND THE WEST ELEVATION, WHICH SHOULD BE FROM, UH, THE WALGREENS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          SO THE ADDITION IN THE SITE, THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS WERE COMPLETED. 
          UM, THE ADDITION DOES HAVE AN OFFICE TENANT, UM, BUT THE RESTAURANT SPACE WAS NOT OCCUPIED AND THAT, UM, ORIGINAL DRIVE THROUGH APPROVAL ELAPSED. 
          SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS, UM, THAT THE SITE HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. 
          THE ONLY MODIFICATIONS, UM, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WOULD BE FOR A MENU BOARD AND SPEAKER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES. 
          THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED, UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE PARKING, UM, LANDSCAPING, UM, AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THE SIDEWALK ALONG CENTENNIAL, UM, TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE, UM, THE OPERATIONS PROPOSED ARE, UM, 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND THEY, THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR 36 PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY DO PROVIDE 51 AND ONSITE. 
          UM, THERE CAN BE STACKING FOR 14 VEHICLES. 
          SO, UM, THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF SOME OTHER RAZ COFFEE HOUSE LOCATIONS. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, LOCATIONS IN, UM, IRVING AND PLANO. 
          UM, THEY OPERATE UNDER SIMILAR HOURS. 
          UM, YOU CAN, SO THEY, THIS LOCATION WOULD HAVE INDOOR SEATING, UM, FOR ABOUT 40. 
          AND IT IS A YEMENI COFFEE SHOP THAT SERVES DRINKS LIKE COFFEES AND TEAS AND HAS PASTRIES AND DESSERTS. 
          SO HERE'S A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE STACKING AREA. 
          THERE IS A DUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT THERE CAN BE, UM, TWO LANES OF, UH, VEHICLES QUEUING UP THAT MERGE INTO THE SINGLE LANE. 
          THAT COMES UP TO THE DRIVE UP WINDOW. 
          UM, THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE 10 VEHICLES, AND THAT'S WHERE THERE WOULD BE A MENU BOARD, UM, AND A SPEAKER ORDERING SYSTEM. 
          THERE COULD BE APPROXIMATELY 14 VEHICLES THAT COULD STACK, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, UM, WITHOUT BACKING INTO THE SHARED DRIVEWAY. 
          SO THE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS THROUGH, UM, A SHARED DRIVEWAY ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE SITE OF ACCESS FROM CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD WITH, UM, ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          UM, THERE IS 200 FEET, UM, ALONG THE FRONTAGE BETWEEN THOSE, THOSE AREAS. 
          AND SO THERE, THAT DOES PROVIDE AREA FOR, UM, FOR CIRCULATION THROUGH THE SITE AND, UM, ALSO AROUND THE PROPERTY. 
          SO IF, UM, VEHICLES ARE TRYING TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY 
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AND TO QUEUE UP, THEN THEY, UM, THEY CAN CIRCULATE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO LINE UP AND, UM, TO BUILD THE PARK AND TO ACCESS THE, THE SITE. 
          SO ON, UM, THE INTERVIEW OF THE CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD AREA HERE. 
          SO THE, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UM, DO INCLUDE A WALGREENS THAT HAS A DRIVE UP PHARMACY. 
          UM, THERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, THERE'S A BRAHMS AND A SONIC, A ZAXBY'S, AND THEN THE STARS CENTER, UM, IN THIS COMMERCIAL AREA DIRECTLY, UM, AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE SOUTH IS THE TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT, UH, WAS DEVELOPED IN THE 2016 2017 TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE OWNER, UM, TOWN HOMES THERE. 
          THIS PROPERTY WAS NOTICED AND WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM, UH, NINE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA IN OPPOSITION, AND ONE THAT WAS NEUTRAL. 
          UM, WE RECEIVED THOSE COMMENTS. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, UH, WERE RELATED TO, UM, LIGHTING AND, UH, SOUND, UM, AND ANY KIND OF NOISE IMPACTS, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, CONCERNS WITH LITTERING OR POLLUTION IMPACTS. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE BUILDING LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THAT TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM AREA. 
          THERE IS A SIX FOOT CONCRETE, OR SORRY, UM, MASONRY WALL ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE REGULATIONS FOR, FOR NOISE IMPACTS, UM, ARE INCLUDE ON THE BOTTOM. 
          THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM OUR CODE THAT FROM COMMERCIAL ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, SOUND CAN'T EXCEED A CERTAIN, UM, DECIBEL LEVEL, UH, TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          AND THE CITY DOES HAVE THE REQUIRED SOUND TESTING EQUIPMENT TO BE ABLE TO TEST THAT AND VERIFY THAT. 
          UM, AND THEY CAN, UH, MONITOR THAT AND AS WELL AS, UM, GO THROUGH A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS IF THERE IS, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE. 
          UM, AS I HAVE MENTIONED, THE, UM, DIRECTOR OF HEALTH, UH, HAS INDICATED THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UM, COMPLAINTS, UH, THAT THEY'VE ALONG THIS AREA OR, UM, IN REGARDS TO DRIVE THROUGH SPEAKERS. 
          AND SO, UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN GO OUT AND VERIFY. 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UH, LIGHTING, THE LIGHTING WAS ESTABLISHED WITH THE, THE PLAN AND, UM, CAN ALSO BE VERIFIED THAT IT IS MEETING THE STANDARD, WHICH IS A FOOT CANDLE AT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, UM, ISSUES WITH, UH, LITTER, UH, THE APPLICANT, COULD WE, UM, TALK ON THAT IF THEY HAVE, UH, CONCERNS OR A PLAN FOR MANAGING THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UM, POLLUTION ITEMS, THE, THIS, WE'LL HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, BUT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING A MORNING PEAK, BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, ARE PRIMARILY, UM, SIT DOWN LOCATIONS. 
          SO THEY DO ANTICIPATE THAT A LOT OF, UH, TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE TO SIT AND TO STAY AT THE SITE. 
          SO THE COMMISSION MAY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, UM, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE REQUEST. 
          AND SO THE, UM, IF THE COMMISSION SHOULD, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO, FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, THEN STAFF HAS PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT DO TITHE THE APPROVAL TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, TO HARRA COFFEE HOUSE AND TO THEIR CONCEPT PLAN AS THEY PROPOSED. 
          SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE, UH, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY AND WAS THE APPLICANT THE SAME IN THIS CASE, THE SAME ONE THAT, UM, DID THE ADDITION BACK IN 2018? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. 
          THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY COULD, UM, THE OWNER COULD ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, JUST, UH, AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING, UH, ARE, ARE THERE, ARE THERE PLANS TO PUT MORE LIGHTS ON THE, ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES ARE GONNA BE LOCATED THAN ARE, THAN WHAT OUT THERE TODAY? UM, NOT AS INDICATED IN THE PACKET. 
          UM, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA CLARIFY WITH THE OKAY. 
          APPLICANT ON THAT, BUT THERE WEREN'T ANY APP INDICATED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ROBERTS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WORDING OF, UH, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THE RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE ADOPTED AND, UH, IT'S THE, UH, IN ITEM ONE IT SAYS THE USE 
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OF THE PROPERTY FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH IS, UM, WHY THE TERM RESTAURANT? I GUESS I'M WONDERING IF THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NORMAL DEFINITION OF A RESTAURANT VERSUS A COFFEE SHOP. 
          YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE CLASSIFICATION FOR COFFEE SHOP. 
          SO IF THERE'S FOOD SERVICE, THEN IT'S CONSIDERED CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT, EVEN IF IT, UH, IF THE MENU IS MORE LIMITED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BUT THE APPROVAL IS, THAT'S THE GENERAL LAND USE, BUT THE APPROVAL IS TIED TO THE HARA COFFEE HOUSE. 
          AND SO LIKE ANOTHER, UM, IF THE OWNERSHIP CHANGED OR A DIFFERENT VENDOR CAME IN, THEN THEY WOULD NEED, THEN THIS APPROVAL WOULDN'T APPLY. 
          BUT SIMILARLY, IF, UM, HARA DECIDED TO WHATEVER SELL SANDWICHES, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION AGAINST THAT. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THERE ISN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE, UH, COME FORWARD NOW. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, SUE B GARA REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, UH, AT FIVE EIGHT CENTENNIAL. 
          UH, I ACTUALLY OFFICE NEXT DOOR TO THIS, UH, IN OUR BUILDING AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, FIRSTHAND, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF THE ACTIVITY AND KIND OF THE TRAFFIC TO ADDRESS, UH, UH, YOUR POINT. 
          UM, CHAIRMAN BRIAN, UH, THE PREVIOUS TENANT THAT WE HAD LINED UP FOR THIS, THAT, UM, SIGNED A LEASE AND WAS GONNA OCCUPY THIS SPACE, UH, PAID RENT FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND DID NOT IMPROVE ANY, ANY, UH, PART OF THE BUILDING. 
          HENCE IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH WAS ALLOWED, UM, PREVIOUSLY, BUT NOW WITH THE RECENT, UH, CHANGES, OH, UH, IT'S REQUIRED OR TO, TO, UH, GET AN SUP APPROVAL. 
          SO A NEW TENANT, NOT THE SAME GROUP THAT WAS GONNA OCCUPY THE SPACE PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, AND, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTING, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING. 
          THE LIGHTING IS PLENTY SUFFICIENT FOR THE PROPERTY, AND, AND WE DON'T INTEND, UH, TO ADD ANY LIGHTING. 
          UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, SOME POINTS, UH, THAT, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE REGARDING, UM, POTENTIAL TRASH THAT MAY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THROWN ON THE PROPERTY FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, CONSUMERS OF, OF THIS, UH, SHOP. 
          AND I'LL, UH, TELL YOU THAT AS A PROPERTY OWNERSHIP GROUP, WE HAVE, AND AS A OCCUPANT OF THE BUILDING, WE HAVE MR. SWEEPER TWICE A WEEK, UM, CLEANING THE PROPERTY. 
          TO BE QUITE HONEST, I'M MORE SO CONCERNED ABOUT BRAHMS GUESTS PARKING IN OUR PARKING LOT AND THROWING THEIR ICE CREAM CUPS THAT I HAVE TO CLEAN UP EVERY DAY. 
          BUT, UM, UH, THE, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COFFEE SHOP ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THEIR BUSINESS, BUT AS A OWNERSHIP GROUP AND AS A CUSTOMER OF THEIR COFFEE, IT'S PHENOMENAL. 
          WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THEM HOPEFULLY COME INTO RICHARDSON AND IT'LL BE A GREAT, UH, ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO INVITE THEM FORWARD TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS NOW, OR, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          THEY COULD SAY HELLO AND WHAT WHATEVER YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I'LL SURE THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          UH, YUSEF, YOU WANNA JOIN? COME ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, HOW ARE YOU? WELL, MY NAME IS YUSEF ANI. 
          UM, I'M A MANAGER AT THE, THE RAZ LOCATION IN PLANO. 
          UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION OR WE, WE DO INTEND EVEN, YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED, UM, THAT THEY HAVE SOMEBODY TO COME OUT CLEANING OUTSIDE. 
          WE, WE STAFF SUFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, UM, EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE THAT INSIDE AND OUTSIDE ARE TAKEN CARE OF, UH, APPROPRIATELY TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, A, A WONDERFUL APPEARANCE AND, UM, A WONDERFUL ATMOSPHERE TO WELCOME EVERYONE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND CAN WE GET YOUR ADDRESS ALSO? YEAH. 
          UM, 43 4 41. 
          UM, THE, THE, FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS OR YEAH, 43 41 14TH STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS COMMISSIONER SUTHER? I, I'M CURIOUS, UM, UH, THE POINT WAS MADE THAT THIS IS A YEMENI STYLE COFFEE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHAT, UH, WHAT DISTINGUISHES YOUR, YOUR, YOUR OFFERING? YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO WE, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WHERE THE FIRST, UH, COFFEE PLANT 
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WAS FOUND? NO. 
          ? YEAH, IT WAS FOUND, UM, SO THERE, THERE'S, UM, UM, THERE'S THEORIES THAT, UM, A, UM, A SHEEP HERDER IN ETHIOPIA, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE TOOK HIS, UM, GOATS AND SHEEP TO A SPECIFIC PART OF THE MOUNTAIN, THEY WOULD, UH, GET VERY EXCITED AFTER EATING A CERTAIN PLANT. 
          UM, BUT THE OFFICIAL FIRST PLANT WAS FOUND IN YEMEN. 
          UH, THE FIRST COFFEE PLANT WAS FOUND IN YEMEN. 
          SO WE GET ALL OF OUR COFFEE BEANS AND ALL OF OUR DRINKS ARE MADE WITH AUTHENTIC YEMENI BEANS AND INGREDIENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE LEARN SOMETHING EVERY MEETING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          AND I, I, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME AGAIN WHAT YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE PROPOSED TO BE FOR, FOR THIS LOCATION? SO, UM, THE INSIDE WOULD BE 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM WHAT ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM OKAY. 
          EVERY DAY, EVEN ON WEEKENDS? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT THE HOURS FOR THE INDOOR, UH, RESTAURANT ARE THE SAME? YES, SIR. 
          EVERY DAY? MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN DO, WHEN WOULD YOU SAY, DO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN OCCUPANCY OR TRAFFIC? UM, FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH IN THE RESTAURANT, FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU GET MORE DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING OR IN THE EVENING? IT WOULD BE A MORNING, YES, SIR. 
          MORNING. 
          AND MOST OF YOUR TRAFFIC FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH? MM-HMM. 
           WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT NOW, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH IN, IN AUSTIN. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT SO THEY, THEY HAVE IT MAJORITY IN THE MORNING, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          BUT WE WE'RE EXPECTING IT IN THE MORNING AND, UH, IN THE AFTERNOON IT WOULD BE, UH, LIKE MENTIONED EARLIER, A SIT DOWN WHERE FAMILIES COME TO SIT DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LESS DRIVE THROUGH IS EXPECTED AT NIGHT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND MORE IN, IN, IN DINING, UH, IN THE DINING ROOM, YES, SIR. 
          AT NIGHT. 
          UM, DO YOU, AND HOW MANY LOCATIONS ARE THERE IN TOTAL FOR THE COMPANY? YOU DON'T FORGIVE ME. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT UH, 'CAUSE IT IS A FRANCHISE, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AND YOU, AND, UH, IS THERE, WAS THERE EVER ANY THOUGHT OF, UM, POSSIBLY, UM, USING PEOPLE TO TAKE THE ORDERS VERSUS THE, UH, DRIVE UP MENU BOARDS WITH SPEAKERS? YOU KNOW, UM, MAYBE ONE DAY IF WE'RE EXTREMELY BUSY, UH, THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, WE'D BE EXTREMELY GRATEFUL IF WE HAD THAT PROBLEM, BUT, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST GONNA REMAIN SOLELY TO THE BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THAT LOCATION OF THE, OF THE MENU BOARD AND THE SPEAKERS, IS THAT IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND THEN I, I JUST HAD A, IS IT SUBIE? UH, MAYBE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          SO ARE YOU, YOU, ARE YOU AN ACTUAL OWNER OF THE BUILDING? I AM A TENANT, LESS MY FATHER, AND I OWN THE PROPERTY, AND I'M A, I RENT FROM OURSELVES. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AND WHAT SORT OF, AND SO Y'ALL ARE IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, I GUESS, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT YOU USE A REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE? CORRECT. 
          AND, AND, AND SO THIS IS THE, THE LEASE SPACE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE, THAT WAS THE ADDITION? CORRECT. 
          THE SPACE THAT WE OCCUPY ON THE, UH, LET'S SEE, WEST SIDE. 
          YEAH, WEST SIDE IS CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE ADDITION IS, UH, IS THE SPACE THAT WE'RE IN. 
          YEP. 
          AND WHEN DID YOU ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY? WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN, I WANNA SAY, 2017. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN WE, UH, HELD ONTO IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF UNTIL WE, UH, UH, DID THE ADDITION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ACCORDING TO STAFF, THAT ADDITION WAS IN 2018, IS WHEN YOU MADE THE APPLICATION, UM, TO THE CITY AND, UH, AND GOT THE, UH, GOT THAT ADDITION APPROVED WITH THE, WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES AND THE DRIVE UP WINDOW? CORRECT. 
          WHEN WE DID THE ADDITION, THAT'S WHEN WE MADE THE ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT IMPROVEMENTS TO ADD THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES AND, AND THE ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, SO, UH, AT THE, AT THAT, AT THAT TIME, UH, THE TOWN HOMES HAD BEEN BUILT OR WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE STATUS OF THE, THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH? THE TOWN HOMES WERE ALREADY COMPLETED AT THE TIME OF OUR ADDITION, AND AT THE TIME OF OUR ACQUIRING OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE OUR RECORD, ACCORDING 
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TO STAFF, THAT WAS MAINLY 20 16, 20 17. 
          SO MOST ALL OF THOSE TOWN HOMES WERE ALREADY BUILT AT THAT TIME, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, UH, STAFF HAS INDICATED TO US THAT, UM, WHEN YOU MADE THE APPLICATION IN 2018, UH, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING, UH, OR ANY SORT OF PUBLIC COMMENT THAT OCCURRED AT THAT TIME ABOUT, ABOUT THE INTENDED USE? I, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT TO, TO HAVE THAT AT THE TIME. 
          IT WAS, UH, A USE THAT WAS ALLOWED, UH, WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL, UH, NEEDED OTHER THAN CONSTRUCTION PERMITS APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE TYPE OF RESTAURANT OR USE THAT REQUIRED THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT YOU WERE CONTEMPLATING AT THAT TIME? UH, IT WAS, WE ACTUALLY HAD A, UM, A TENANT LINED UP, UH, CALLED BIG LOVE COFFEE. 
          IT WAS GONNA BE THEIR FIRST LOCATION. 
          UM, THEY WENT THROUGH A FEW ITERATIONS OF, UH, PERMIT PLANS FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CITY, AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WENT BELLY UP AND STOPPED PAYING US RENT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, UH, WE WENT ON THE SEARCH FOR ANOTHER GREAT TENANT, AND WE FOUND RAZ, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT WAS DIRECTED TO EF. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COFFEE SHOPS IN THE COUNTRY. 
          THEY HAVE ABOUT, UH, 20 LOCATIONS CURRENTLY, AND THEY'RE GROWING VERY RAPIDLY, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UH, OVERALL, IT'S, UM, THAT, THAT SPACE, THAT 3000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE HAS REALLY BEEN VACANT SINCE YOU BOUGHT IT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, LET'S SEE, AND YOUR FIRM, UH, WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON FOR A COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARD? YEAH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. 
          UM, OUR, UH, IT, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY OUR FIRM. 
          IT WAS MY FATHER AND I AND OUR WORK TO, UH, REPURPOSE THE BUILDING AND, AND GIVE IT A, A WONDERFUL FACELIFT AND MAKE IT SOMETHING TO REALLY BE PROUD OF. 
          AND, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE WON THAT AWARD LAST YEAR. 
          I THINK IT WAS LAST, MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE LAST, I BELIEVE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DOES IT, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A TENANT, I, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IS THERE ANY CONCERNS ON YOUR PART OR FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS, FOR YOUR OFFICE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE WEST SIDE AND AROUND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WOULD MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO DO BUSINESS? UH, AND, AND YOUR PORTION OF THE, YOU KNOW, SPACE? I'M WORRIED MY EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA BE TOO CAFFEINATED , BUT NO, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED. 
          HONESTLY, IT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF, IF ANY, ANY OF YOU LIVE OR WORK IN THE AREA, UH, THERE'S A DIRE NEED FOR SOME CAFFEINE, SOME COFFEE IN THAT PART OF TOWN. 
          SO, UH, OTHER THAN MCDONALD'S AND BRAHMS COFFEE, UH, THIS WILL BE A, A REALLY REFRESHING TREAT. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER BEACH, I'M CURIOUS, I MEAN, UH, ONE OF THE SEEMINGLY CONSISTENT COMPLAINTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD IS CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE. 
          AND, UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UM, A BIG, A TALLER WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THAT WOULD HELP PRODUCE THE NOISE? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SPECIFYING WITH, UH, HARZA AS OUR TENANT IS TO, UH, PURCHASE A STATE OF THE ART SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MCDONALD'S AND THE CHICK-FIL-A'S USE, UH, DELPHI MENU BOARD SYSTEM WITH A SPEAKER THAT HAS VOLUME CONTROLS, THAT THE SOUND IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECT THAN KIND OF A SHOTGUN TYPE OF SOUND WHERE, UH, IT CAN BE DIRECTED DIRECTLY AT THE CAR WHERE YOU CAN HEAR IT, BUT IF YOU'RE FAR AWAY, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR IT. 
          UH, I HEAR AS DRIVE THROUGH SPEAKER FROM MY OFFICE SOMETIMES, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A BIG, YOU KNOW, BASE SPEAKER, UH, THE DELPHI SYSTEMS OR DELPHI, I FORGET, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT, BUT I, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AND WE OBVIOUSLY CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A STATE OF THE ART SYSTEM THAT PROJECTS SOUND DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO AND DOESN'T PROJECT IT TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT, UH, AS A REAL ESTATE BROKER MYSELF AND SOMEBODY THAT SERVES THE COMMUNITY, UH, UM, QUITE OFTEN, AND WE'VE SOLD A LOT OF TOWN HOMES IN THE AREA, SO I KNOW A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UH, THE LAST THING THAT I WANT IS TO BE A, OUR TENANT OR A BUILDING TO BE A DISTURBANCE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT AS PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT, UH, THEIR, UH, THEIR SPEAKER SYSTEM IS, IS STATE OF THE ART AND TOP OF LINE, AND PROJECTS SOUND PROPERLY AND IS NOT TOO LOUD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE MAY BRING YOU BACK UP. 
          UH, NO PROBLEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS 
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A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOT SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN ADVANCE, UH, VIA EMAIL, UH, TO THE CITY. 
          UH, BUT, UH, THIS IS THE CHANCE WHEN YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND ACTUALLY, UM, VOICE YOUR CONCERNS OR YOUR, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY CARDS, BUT JUST ASK IF ANYBODY IN ATTENDANCE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. 
          UH, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE, UH, PODIUM. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS JAMES MATTHEW DANNER. 
          I LIVE AT 8 32 ROHAN DRIVE, WHICH IS TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL. 
          I'M ONE OF THE, UH, BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON OUR HOA. 
          UH, SO I WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR, LIKE WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I WENT TO THAT BIG EVENT IN DOWNTOWN RICHARDSON THIS WEEKEND. 
          I THINK THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING, OR THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS, IS AROUND THE DRIVE THROUGH, BECAUSE WHEN WE SAW THE, THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND WE SAW SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS, NONE OF THOSE, AND, AND I, I HAVEN'T SEEN EVERY LOCATION OF THIS FRANCHISE, BUT WHAT WAS SHOWN, NONE OF THOSE WERE BUTTING UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. 
          THEY WERE ALL IN LIKE A BIG COMMERCIAL THING. 
          OR IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT LIKE THE BRAHMS, IT'S PROBABLY FACING THAT, UH, THAT HOCKEY CENTER AND THEN THE, UM, THE WALGREENS IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY, AND IT'S, SO IT'S REALLY THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING IS THIS DRIVE THROUGH WOULD GO LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO OUR WALL THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT TILL 10:00 PM AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING TILL 10:00 PM IDLING CARS, A LOT OF EXHAUST, UH, NOISE. 
          I MEAN, I, HE DID TALK ABOUT THE DELPHI SPEAKERS, BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE SPEAKING AND PEOPLE MAKING NOISE IN CARS AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          SO OUR CONCERN IS NOT THAT WE'RE NOT FOR REVITALIZATION, IT'S JUST THE DRIVE THROUGH PORTION RELATIVE TO WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A GREAT, UH, WAS IT YEMENI? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT, BUT THAT COFFEE SHOP JUST RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD NEAR THE, THE BIG DASH, RIGHT. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT IT'S A GREAT LITTLE COFFEE SHOP, ORGANIC. 
          WE WENT TO THE GRAND OPENING, UH, AND WE'RE EXCITED. 
          I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A COFFEE SHOP OR ANY KIND OF SMALL BUSINESS THERE IS GREAT, IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF HOW SMALL THAT, THAT, UH, LOT IS. 
          AND I KNOW THE PICTURE THEY SHOWED KIND OF GAVE MORE OF A, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE OF THOSE WHERE, WHERE YOU DO LIKE A, UH, PORTRAIT VIEW, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY SMALL WHEN YOU'RE THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT MADE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS GIGANTIC, LIKE A FOOTBALL STADIUM. 
          IT'S A LOT SMALLER THAN IT SHOWED. 
          AND SO, JUST RESPECTFULLY, OUR CONCERN IS THE, NOT THAT THEY, WE DON'T WANT BUSINESSES THERE. 
          WE JUST ARE, ARE WEARY AND CONCERNED ABOUT DRIVE-THROUGHS BEING SO CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, COME ON UP. 
          HELLO. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS PROCESS. 
          I'M GONNA TRY AND BE BRIEF, NOT REPEAT ANYTHING THAT MY, UH, NEIGHBOR HAS SAID. 
          UH, I'M GONNA TRY AND MENTION A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WROTE DOWN. 
          UM, NOW IF YOU, JUST BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS DHAR ALKI. 
          UH, I'M ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE COMMU, NORTHERN SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, 8 25 DART DRIVE. 
          UH, AND I WANNA WELCOME MY, UH, YEMENI BROTHERS A BIG ARABIC, UH, COFFEE FAN. 
          UM, IT'S THE DRIVE THROUGH REALLY, UH, IF YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT IT, UH, PEOPLE PICK UP THEIR SHIRTS, THEIR LARO FROM THE LAUNDROMAT IN THE EVENING ON THE WAY BACK HOME, RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE GOING, UM, USUALLY EASTBOUND, UH, FROM THE CITY BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          UH, THE LOCATION IS ON THE EASTBOUND SIDE OF, OF THE ROAD. 
          SO PEOPLE WOULD USUALLY STOP, PICK UP THEIR, UH, SHIRTS AND KEEP GOING IN THE MORNING AT EIGHT, 8:00 AM IN RUSH HOUR. 
          PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE GOING, UH, EASTBOUND TOWARDS THE CITY, UM, WESTBOUND TO THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THINK, THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN OR A LEFT TURN TO GET THEIR COFFEE AT 8:00 AM IN THE MORNING. 
          AND CENTENNIAL IS REALLY BUSY AT THAT TIME. 
          UH, SO TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY BAD, UH, JUST FOR HAVING PEOPLE TRYING TO GET THEIR COFFEE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          UM, SORRY, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER OR ANYTHING, SO, SO THE LAUNDRY PLACE WAS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE EVENING WOULD PASS BY AND GET THEIR SHIRT, BUT TRAFFIC IS GONNA 
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BE AN, A REAL ISSUE, UH, WITH ALL THE PEOPLE. 
          THEY SAID EARLY MORNING IS THEIR BUSY TIME, RIGHT? COFFEE, EVERYBODY DRINKS COFFEE IN THE MORNINGS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S MAINLY A BIG, BIG CONCERN. 
          DRIVE THROUGHS, UM, ALL THE BRAHMS AND ALL THESE OTHER LOCATIONS, THEY'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR OUR NORTHERN SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE VERY FAR AWAY. 
          SO, SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE IS, AS MY REAL ESTATE, UM, ESTEEMED AWARDED, UM, NEIGHBOR HAS MENTIONED THE DIRT, THE BRAHMS TRASH, EVERYTHING. 
          WE HAVE ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE LIGHTING AS MEANT. 
          MATT MENTIONED ALSO ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE NOISE FROM PEOPLE ORDERING ALL THE CAR EMISSIONS. 
          CITIES USUALLY ARE GETTING AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          SO, SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS I HAD. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER. 
          I'M SURE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FIND A BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE VERY DIFFICULT. 
          THE ECONOMY IS DOING REALLY WELL. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? OKAY. 
          UH, JUST IN AGAIN, UM, I THINK WE HAD WHAT, NINE, UM, CORRESPONDENCE, IS THAT RIGHT? FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HOA, UH, THERE WERE 10. 
          10, YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN OPPOSITION. 
          THERE WERE NINE IN OPPOSITION AND ONE WAS NEUTRAL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          NINE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. 
          I HEARD NINE, NINE AGAINST ONE NEUTRAL. 
          UM, SO SUBY, DO YOU WANT, UH, THE APPLICANT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD MAYBE AND YOU GET A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UH, ANY OF THOSE REMARKS? YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, AND THANK, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING YOUR CONCERN. 
          WE, AGAIN, DEEPLY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND, UH, UH, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT, UH, UH, THE PREVIOUS USE AND, AND THE MONEY THAT WE SPENT DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY TO BE A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, WITH THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION OF THE TENANT NOT SPENDING THEIR PERMITS IN TIME TO BE ABLE TO OCCUPY WITH THE USE THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED, UH, IS, IS REALLY DETRIMENTAL TO US BECAUSE WE SPENT ABOUT $140,000 PAVING AND, AND WITH FLAT WORK TO, TO DEVELOP IT TO BE A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS, UH, JUST TO PICK UP WINDOW FOR THE DRIVE CLEANERS PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO ALL THE LANES THAT YOU SEE, WE, WE COMPLETED THAT WORK. 
          UM, UH, LIGHTING, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE UPGRADED, UH, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, TO PURPOSEFULLY NOT, UH, SHINE ANY LIGHT INTO THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S WINDOWS DIRECTLY. 
          UM, AND, UM, WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS, BUT WE WE'RE JUST VERY CONSCIOUS OF, OF OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, LIKE WE SAID, THE MENU BOARD IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, DIRECT, UH, SOUND. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY LOUD. 
          AND, UM, LIKE WE SAID, TRASH IS PICKED UP, UH, BIWEEKLY BY MR. SWEEPER IN ADDITION TO MYSELF. 
          UH, CALL ME MR. SWEEPER AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T, UH, HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          I JUST, UH, WOULD LIKE, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, UH, UH, DUE TO THE DELAY, UH, THAT WE'VE SEEN BETWEEN THE, THE TENANCIES OR THE OCCUPANCY, UH, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, A CHANGE IN, IN, UH, IN, UM, AN ORDINANCE. 
          BUT, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE AND, AND WE WANT, UH, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT'S RIGHT HERE. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER POINTS TO MAKE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, MAYBE YOU COULD, UH, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE COMMENT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WESTBOUND AM TRAFFIC IS PREDOMINANTLY HEADED BACK TOWARDS CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, UM, AND, UH, DOWNTOWN OR WHEREVER. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY OF THAT DATA, UH, ABOUT, UH, AM NO, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC WELL, UH, BUT WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, DID YOU HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, THAT COMMENT ABOUT HAVING TO MAKE A U-TURN THERE? IT'S, IT'S ONLY RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT INTO YOUR PARKING, CORRECT? UH, YOUR DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO YOU CAN EITHER ENTER FROM THE SHARED DRIVE, UH, AT BRAHMS 
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OR IN BETWEEN OUR BUILDING AND WALGREENS, UM, A LOT OF TIMES, BUT THERE IS NO MEDIAN CUT, UM, CORRECT. 
          THE, THE MEDIAN CUT GOES THROUGH BRAHMS TO, TO OUR BUILDING. 
          UH, SO, AND THEN ALSO THROUGH, UH, WALGREENS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER COFFEE SHOPS FOR PEOPLE TO VISIT AND ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CENTENNIAL, THOSE ARE MAINLY DINE IN, AND THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, A MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, VISITORS THAT ARE GOING TO, THESE COFFEE SHOPS ARE GOING TO, TO DINE IN AND, AND ENJOY THAT. 
          I THINK THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH IS GONNA BE A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THEIR BUSINESS. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE BUSY AT ALL. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT'S, THERE WAS A PLUS FOR THEM AND, AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY REALLY WANT TO DO IN ALL OF THEIR FUTURE LOCATIONS. 
          SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S WHY, UH, WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          BUT, UM, JUST, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MM-HMM. 
          I MEAN, YOU SAID THAT THE, THE MEDIAN, UM, UH, CUT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ON CENTENNIAL, UM, THAT, THAT LEADS TO THE SHARED ACCESS WITH BROMS. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT'S THE CASE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THE SHARED ACCESS WITH BROMS IS ON THEIR WEST SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY YES, SIR. 
          VERSUS THE EAST SIDE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE, THERE'S, SORRY. 
          THERE'S SHARED ACCESS IN, IN BETWEEN. 
          OCCASIONALLY I'LL GO THROUGH THE BRAMS PARKING LOT, BUT THERE'S SHARED ACCESS AS WELL BETWEEN WAL, US AND WALGREENS. 
          BUT, BUT THERE IS NO MEDIAN CUT THERE, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THE SHARED, UH, EASEMENT ACCESS THROUGH BRAHMS IS NOT WHERE THE MEDIAN CUT IS. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING DR. 
          JOEL ON THE FAR SIDE OF BRAHMS, WHICH IS NOT LEGAL ACCESS FOR THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, BUT PEOPLE, IT'S CROSS ACCESS THROUGH THE WHOLE, I KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT LEGAL. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, THEY MAY DO IT, BUT IT'S CROSS ACCESS THROUGH ALL THE PROPERTIES, THROUGH ALL THE PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S SHARED ACCESS YEAH. 
          ON THESE PROPERTIES. 
          AND THEN THERE THE MEDIAN CUT IS BETWEEN THE BRAHMS AND THE SONIC. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S CROSS USE THROUGH THE PROPERTIES. 
          SO THE, THERE IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT OVER THE ENTIRE BRAHMS PROPERTY FOR THIS, THIS, THE APPLICANT. 
          I, I HAVE TO LOOK TO VERIFY, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE, THE INTENT OF THE LAYOUT OF THESE PROPERTIES, THAT THERE WAS CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, UM, OFF OF CENTENNIAL. 
          I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY THE SURVEY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT, THAT THERE IS, UH, EASEMENT ACCESS THROUGH THE PROPERTY ON THE, IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND WALGREENS AND IN BETWEEN BROMS. OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THEN IF SOMEBODY'S WEST, UH, WESTBOUND WANNA GO WESTBOUND ON CENTENNIAL, UM, RATHER THAN THEY CAN EITHER EXIT, UM, THE DRIVEWAY AT MORE OR LESS THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND THEN DO A U-TURN, OR THEY CAN CUT THROUGH BROM'S PARKING LOT TO HIT THAT DRIVEWAY TO MAKE A LEFT. 
          YEAH. 
          ON THE, THE PLAT FOR, UM, THIS 5 0 8 CENTENNIAL PROPERTY, IT DOES CALL OUT THE AREA TO THE NORTH AS, UM, OR THAT ACCESS AS A 24 FOOT FIRE LANE AND MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT. 
          SO I'D HAVE TO VERIFY ON THE, THE BRAHMS PROPERTY, BUT THAT WAS A CONTINUATION OF, OF WHAT WAS EXISTING THERE, SO THAT IT'S ALSO FOR FIRE LANE ACCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          THROUGH THOSE, THE PROPERTIES. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          COMMISSIONER SUTHER, COULD YOU ESTIMATE THE DISTANCE FROM YOUR DRIVE THROUGH LANES SOUTH OF THE BUILDING BACK TO THE HOMES AND THE, UH, THE TOWN OF HOMES? UM, IF I WAS TO BALLPARK IT, I'D PROBABLY SAY IT WAS A HUNDRED FEET, MAYBE 120 FEET OR SO. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO THE RESIDENTS ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT WALKABILITY AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AND IN LINE WITH THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND EVERYTHING. 
          CAN YOU COMMENT AND ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE? UH, SURE. 
          UM, CENTENNIAL IS, I, I DON'T SEE VERY MANY PEDESTRIANS, UH, ON CENTENNIAL. 
          IS THERE A SPECIFIC AREA THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT FROM A PEDESTRIAN CONCERN? UM, I MEAN, I, I PER, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY, I MEAN, WE'VE COMPLIED 
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WHEN WE RE REDEVELOPED THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH ANY, UM, ACCESS FROM SIDEWALKS TO OUR BUILDING, UH, FROM THE SIDEWALK ON CENTENNIAL. 
          SO I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, ANY ISSUE FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S VERY FEW PEDESTRIANS WALKING ON CENTENNIAL, UH, AND I'M THERE ALMOST FROM, FROM 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          IS THERE ANY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, UH, THROUGH THE WALL ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING? NO. 
          FOR RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN HOMES? NOT CURRENTLY, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IF IT'S ALLOWED, WE MAY OPEN ONE UP IF THEY'D LIKE , BUT NO, NOT ONE CURRENTLY. 
          AND NO INTENTION OF HAVING ONE UNLESS IT'S REQUESTED AND ALLOWED. 
          DO THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES HAVE SIMILAR WALLS? I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT WHEN I, I BELIEVE THE BRICK WALL GOES FROM THE CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY, UH, ALONGSIDE THE WALGREENS, UH, PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND I DID SEE ONE HAND RAISED IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          IS THERE, WAS THERE ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH, YOU MAY COME, COME UP. 
          I WAS, WHEN, WHEN Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC, I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          JUST ANNOUNCE YOURSELF AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JAMES MATTHEW DANNER, 8 32 HAN DRIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, I WAS JUST, WHEN Y'ALL WERE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE ROADS, I WAS JUST GONNA, 'CAUSE I LIVE THERE, I COULD CLARIFY. 
          SO IN TERMS OF IN THE MORNING, IF YOU HAVE THE RUSH HOUR GOING WESTBOUND TOWARDS 75, IF YOU DO GO TOWARDS, LET'S SAY IF YOU LEAVE THEIR THEIR SPOT AND YOU GO TO THE BRAHMS, YOU CAN GO, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT LIGHT PROTECTED. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA BE, THAT PERSON'S GONNA BE WAITING A LONG WAY. 
          SO REALLY THE ONLY LIGHT PROTECTED WAY IS IF THEY TAKE THE SHARED DRIVE BACK PAST THE WALGREENS, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET ON, I THINK THAT'S WHITEHALL. 
          THERE'S UH, THERE'S THAT LIGHT THERE. 
          SO TO, TO WHAT, UH, MY NEIGHBOR WAS SAYING, LIKE WHEN, IF YOU'RE PICKING UP DRY CLEANING IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU JUST GO AND YOU, YOU KEEP GOING THEORETICALLY EASTBOUND. 
          BUT I COULD SEE IF DURING RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC, IF YOU'RE GONNA STOP AND GET TO GO COFFEE THERE, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING UP TO THE BRAHMS TRYING TO WAIT FOR RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC GOING EITHER WAY TO GO THAT WAY AND YOU CAN'T DO A U-TURN. 
          AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW THAT SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT, WELL, DOING A U-TURN, EVERY TIME YOU GET ON THAT ROAD, THEY'RE ALL LIKE ILLEGAL U-TURN. 
          SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY AND THEN CIRCLE ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND. 
          SO THAT'S, I WAS JUST GONNA, Y'ALL WERE ASKING QUESTIONS AND SINCE I KNOW THE ROADS, I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? UH,  THAT'S WHAT PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FOR, RIGHT? TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO SPEAK AND, UH, ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN I'D MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SECOND. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR, UH, DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER BEACH, JUST, JUST, JUST TO COMMENT, UM, I MEAN, I HAVE TO AGREE THAT MORNING, HOUR, MORNING RUSH HOUR IS GONNA BE GOING WEST. 
          AND SO I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE SMARTEST THING TO DO TO PUT A DRIVE IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BY RIGHT, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO EXCEPT FOR, UH, UH, A BANKRUPTCY THAT WAS OUTTA THEIR CONTROL. 
          AND I, I'M INCLINED TO FEEL LIKE ON THAT BASIS ALONE, LET THEM GO AHEAD AND DO THEIR BUSINESS. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST ONE MAN'S OPINION. 
          COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO. 
          YES. 
          SIMILARLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS OF DRIVING, THAT'S KIND OF A BUSINESS DECISION THAT'S KIND OF BEYOND THIS PARTY. 
          IF THEY THINK THEY, IF THEY THINK THEY CAN DO IT, GREAT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY, UH, DON'T HAVE THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING, WELL THEY'RE GONNA SUFFER ECONOMICALLY FOR IT. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT KIND OF OUR JOB, UH, IN, IN MY, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE , THE DRY CLEANER THING THAT STRUCK ME AS FUNNY WAS, OKAY, IN THE AFTERNOON THEY COME PICK UP THEIR DRY CLEANING ON THE WAY HOME. 
          WHEN DID THEY DROP IT OFF? LIKE THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO GO THE OTHER WAY TO DROP IT OFF. 
          SO, AND IF THEY LIVE TO THE, TO THE EAST, THEY HAVE TO GO THAT WAY TO DROP IT OFF. 
          SO I WAS THAT, UH, I WAS INDIFFERENT TO THAT ARGUMENT AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          UH, SO YEAH, I THINK, UM, 
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I THINK THE, UH, REALITY IS ALL THAT STUFF DOESN'T MATTER TO ME BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT AFFECTS WHETHER OR NOT THEY SUCCEED. 
          THAT'S NOT EXACTLY OUR, OUR DRIVING FORCE HERE, OUR DRIVING FORCES. 
          HOW DOES IT, HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY AS THE BEST USE OF LAND? AND IT SEEMS LIKE A FINE USE OF THE LAND TO ME. 
          UH, WELL, THIS IS A, THIS IS A TOUGH CASE, I THINK, UH, FOR, FOR ME. 
          UM, 'CAUSE, UH, I DO, UH, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE APPLICANT AND, AND, AND THAT THE, THE LAWS AND THE ORDINANCES WERE, UH, PERMITTED THIS USE, UH, WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT AND WHEN THEY, WHEN GOT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR IT AND MADE, MADE THE INVESTMENT INTO IT. 
          UM, BUT THEN THE ORDINANCES WERE CHANGED AND, AND THE TENANT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, EXPECTED TO GO IN THERE, DIDN'T, DIDN'T GO IN, UH, REALLY CONFIRMING THAT SORT OF USE. 
          SO, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, HERE WE ARE SIX YEARS LATER, UM, AND NOW, UH, A SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED. 
          A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. 
          UM, AND, UM, SO IT'S NOT GRANDFATHERED IN ANY, ANY LONGER. 
          THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, RIGHT? THAT'S GONE. 
          UH, THE, THE ORDINANCE IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS, UM, ABOUT THE, THE PROPOSAL, UM, OVER THE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE BEEN VOICED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DO SEE THAT THERE IS A, A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS LOCATION AND THE BRAHMS AND THE SONIC, UM, WHICH DON'T BORDER, UM, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THE WALGREENS DOES. 
          RIGHT? SO, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS ABOUT WALGREENS, BUT YOU KNOW, I NORMALLY THINK OF THAT AS MORE OF A PICKUP WINDOW WHERE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO SOMEONE YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR PRESCRIPTION AND TO FILL IT. 
          BUT I'M NOT SURE, RIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY AS A, A MENU BOARD, YOU KNOW, FACING SOUTH, LIKE WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A, THIS WAS AN AWARD WINNER, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN AN AWARD WINNING, UH, PROJECT COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION. 
          IT'S A GREAT LOOKING BUILDING. 
          UH, THEN Y'ALL DID A FABULOUS JOB, UM, ON THE REMODEL. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, I, I SORT OF HATE TO SEE A, A A A DRIVE THROUGH, TAKE AWAY FROM THAT. 
          I, I DON'T, I DON'T, MAYBE IT WON'T, BUT WHEN I, UM, WHEN I SAW THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK OF, IT DIDN'T SPEAK TO ME LIKE, OH, THIS IS GONNA BE A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          I THOUGHT OF IT AS A OFFICE COMPLEX, WHICH, UH, I THOUGHT REALLY BROUGHT A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPED THE, HELPED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OUT. 
          IT WAS REALLY A CHANCE TO, LIKE WE SAY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE AWARDS TO REVITALIZE A NEIGHBORHOOD IN AN AREA. 
          AND I THOUGHT THAT'S THAT WITH YOUR PROJECT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS DOING, WAS BECOMING A LEADER AND KIND OF LIKE RESETTING THE TONE TO GET AWAY FROM, UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS OVER THERE AND THAT IT MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BY THEIR EXAMPLE, ATTRACT MORE COMMERCIAL TENANTS, OFFICE TENANTS, UH, ALONG ALONG THAT STREET. 
          UM, SO, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY I, I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAD A TOUGH TIME LEASING THE SPACE AND FINDING CUSTOMERS IF IT'S BEEN VACANT ALL THIS TIME. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, IN, IN MY MIND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD WANNA LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A, UH, DRIVE THROUGH IF I WAS LOOKING DOWN, UH, THAT BLOCK, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, OF, UH, ROHAN STREET, ROHAN DRIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF BACKS UP IF I WAS ONE OF THOSE TOWN HOMES THAT WHEN I WALK OUT AND I LOOK, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE LANE TO THE NORTH, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SEE. 
          UM, SO, UM, ANYWAY, THOSE ARE JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLER. 
          YEAH, SO, UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER'S BEACH AND CONSTANTINO, AND I, AND I HEAR WHAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO SAY AS WELL, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, BUT 
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WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, ALTHOUGH I CERTAINLY AND SYMPATHETIC WITH THE, UM, THE TOWNHOME, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I, IT, THIS DOES SEEM TO FIT, UH, FOR ME. 
          UM, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE THE BRAHMS THERE, WE DO HAVE, UM, THE SONIC DRIVE THROUGH THERE. 
          WE DO HAVE THE WALGREENS THERE. 
          UM, AND WHILE I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR DEBATE ABOUT HOW CLOSE EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES ARE AND UM, HOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT COMPARE, UM, TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE SPECIFICALLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OF A DISTINCTION IN MY MIND, UM, TO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, IS NOT APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE SUP IS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          UM, AS TO THE TRAFFIC, I AGAIN AGREE, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER'S BEACH AND CONSTANTINO, I DON'T REALLY SEE, UM, A PROBLEM HERE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO, AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC IS THEY COULD IN THEORY, UM, RUN THE COFFEE SHOP WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD NEVER EVEN COME BEFORE US, AND THAT WOULDN'T EVEN BE A QUESTION. 
          UM, AND SO I, I GUESS IN LIGHT OF THOSE THINGS, UM, I'M INCLINED TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR ZONING FILE. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? UNLESS THERE'S, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZONING FILE 24 25 FOR THE RAZ COPY HOUSE AS PRESENTED, AS PRESENTED. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED SIX TO ONE, UH, WITH CHAIRMAN MARSH AND OPPOSITION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [5. Zoning File 24-27 Special Permit – 7 Brew Coffee: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Permit for a restaurant with drive-through service, on a 0.62-acre lot currently zoned LR-M(2) Local Retail, located at 1230 E. Belt Line Road, west of Plano Road. Owner: GMC Pursuit JV LLC. Staff: Derice Peters.]
UH, WE MOVE ON TO, UM, ZONING, UH, OR ITEM FIVE ON OUR AGENDA. 
          THIS IS, UH, ZONING FILE, 24 DASH 27 SPECIAL PERMIT FOR SEVEN BREW COFFEE AND MS. POLLETT? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SEVEN BREW COFFEE FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. 
          UM, SO THE LOCATION HERE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST, UH, BELTLINE ROAD. 
          IT IS ZONED AN LRM TWO LOCAL RETAIL, AND THAT IS WHAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE. 
          THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS, UM, ZONE COMMERCIAL. 
          SO THIS IS THE LOCATION OF, UM, AN EXISTING, UH, 3,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. 
          IT WAS BUILT IN 1985. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THE VELVET SOUT ON THE, ON THE SITE THERE. 
          IT OPERATED AS A DOG DAYCARE AND GROOMING AND AND BOARDING FACILITY FROM 2006 TO 2020. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE 2020. 
          THE, THIS CURRENT PROJECT WAS PROPOSED IN JANUARY OF 2023, UM, FOR A TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT FOR SEVEN BRUTE, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          UM, THE, DURING THAT SERIES OF, UM, HEARINGS WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, THERE WAS NO CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED ON THEIR REQUEST. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOW READY TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION, UH, BUT AS THE SPECIAL PERMIT HAS LAPSED FROM THEIR PREVIOUS APPROVAL, THEY'RE BACK FOR A NEW, UH, REQUEST. 
          SO THESE ARE THE VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE ADJACENT, UM, PROPERTIES, COCOA SHRIMP TO THE EAST, UM, THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN TO THE, UM, WEST. 
          SO THIS IS A SIMILAR CASE TO OUR, UM, PREVIOUS SITE IN THAT THERE, UM, THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, THE ROAD WAY TO THE NORTH, THE BELTLINE ROAD. 
          IT WOULD BE ACCESSING THROUGH A SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT WITH PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST. 
          THE HOURS OF OPERATION FIRST, UM, SEVEN BREW COFFEE ARE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 5:30 AM TO 10:00 PM AND ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS FROM 5:30 AM TO 11:00 PM UM, THERE IS NO INDOOR SEATING ON THIS LOCATION. 
          AND SO AS FAR AS, UM, DETERMINING A PARKING REQUIREMENT, UH, THERE'S NOT A SEATING AREA TO, TO DETERMINE THAT. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY ARE, WOULD HAVE EIGHT TO 10 EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, ALTERNATIVE PARKING, UM, 
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WOULD BE, UM, A MINIMUM OF SEVEN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          THEY ARE PROVIDING 13 ON SITE. 
          THE NATURE OF THIS COFFEE BUSINESS IS THAT THEY PROVIDE JUST, UM, COFFEE, ENERGY DRINKS, TEA SMOOTHIES, AND SHAKES AND SERVICE IS PROVIDED ONLY THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THERE'S NO INDOOR SEATING. 
          UH, A DIFFERENCE HERE IN THIS, UM, PROPOSAL FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE SAW, UM, IS THAT, SO THERE IS FULL, FULL STACKING. 
          THERE'S 13, UM, STACKING IN DUAL LANES. 
          UH, THIS DOES NOT HAVE A MENU BOARD, UM, OR, UM, ORDERING MICROPHONE SYSTEM. 
          UH, TEAM MEMBERS OR EMPLOYEES ON THE SITE ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STATIONED WITH HANDHELD DEVICES OR TABLETS TO TAKE ORDERS, AND THEN THEY, UM, ALSO DIRECT TRAFFIC THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH TO ENSURE PROPER STACKING AND MANEUVERING THROUGH THE SITE. 
          SO THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING. 
          UM, IT'S THE ORANGE SHADED, UM, BUILDING ON THE SITE IS 660 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN, UM, A COOLER IN THE ORANGE AREA. 
          SO AGAIN, THE ACCESSES ARE FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          UM, THAT INCLUDES, UH, UM, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, UM, AN OPENING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES. 
          UH, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE FOR, UM, AN EXIT. 
          AND, UM, YOU SEE ON THIS, THEY EVEN HAVE LIKE, DO NOT ENTER, THIS WOULD BE JUST AN EXIT OPTION. 
          AND THEN HERE THEY BILL TO ENTER AN EXIT. 
          SO, UH, TO ACCESS THE STACKING ON THE SITE, THIS IS CIRCULATION THROUGH THIS SITE, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED, UM, THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. 
          UH, THOSE WOULD BE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UH, WITH STAFF. 
          BUT THEY, IT IS A, THERE'S NO, UM, THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE CODE THAT ARE PROPOSED. 
          SO IT IS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING AT 20 FEET TALL. 
          UM, IT MEETS THE SETBACKS AND, UM, IT IS PROPOSED TO HAVE, UH, A MIX OF MATERIALS. 
          SO HERE'S THE WEST AND THE EAST ELEVATIONS AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          SO THE, UM, THEY DID DO A REVIEW ON THE PEAK HOURS, AND THEY ARE ESTIMATING THAT 8:00 AM TO 9:00 AM AM IS THEIR, THEIR PEAK HOURS. 
          AND, UM, BASED ON THEIR STACKING THAT THEY PROVIDED ON SITE AND THEIR, UM, SPEED AND BEING ABLE TO TAKE ORDERS AND DELIVER ORDERS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEY, UM, ARE OPERATING FROM. 
          AND SO THEY'RE, UM, FAMILIAR WITH THEIR, UH, THEIR ORDERING AND THEIR TIMEFRAME REQUIREMENTS. 
          THEY, UH, FELT THAT BASED ON THAT, THAT THEIR PEAK OF 60 ARRIVAL TRIPS IN THE AM HOUR, THAT THEY, UM, WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THAT, AND THAT THE SITE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY HANDLE THAT WITHOUT IMPACTING ANY ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          SO THE COMMISSION IS MAKING RECOMMENDATION ON THIS REQUEST. 
          UM, AND THEN I'VE PROVIDED THE CONDITIONS FROM THE STAFF REPORT IF THE, UM, COMMISSION IS, UH, DECIDES TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH, UM, CONDITIONS THAT ARE TYPICAL TO OUR SPECIAL PERMITS FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN JUST TO KNOW, YOU NOTICE IT'S IN, IT'S AN EMPTY ROOM IN HERE. 
          THE, UM, THE OWNER, UM, APPLICANT, UH, CONTACTED ME ABOUT AN HOUR AGO AND THEY ARE, UH, HAVE COVID AS OF AND TESTED POSITIVE AN HOUR AGO. 
          SO HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR, UM, SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN HIS SPACE, BUT, UH, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, HE WASN'T ABLE TO GET, UM, SOMEONE ELSE TO COME. 
          SO IF THERE ARE, UM, CONCERNS THAT, UH, CAN'T BE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME, WE CAN OPT TO CONTINUE IT. 
          IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING IT FORWARD OR WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THINGS TO, UM, LOOK INTO PRIOR TO A COUNSEL HEARING, WE CAN DO THAT ALSO. 
          SO, UH, THE APPLICANT DID INDICATE THAT, UM, IF YOU, HE'S OKAY WITH YOU MAKING A MOTION IN HIS ABSENCE, UM, BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, UH, OR CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION FROM HIM, THEN HE, THEN YOU COULD OPT TO CONTINUE THAT AND HE CAN, UM, MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S NO ONE LEFT IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          SO, UH, , IT'S JUST THE COMMISSION AND STAFF HERE AT THIS POINT, UH, IN THE ROOM. 
          UH, SO, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UNLESS SOMEBODY'S HIDING. 
          UH, SO, UH, IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN, AN OPTION OF WHETHER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD SAY IF, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS INCLINED TO, UH, APPROVE THIS 
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REQUEST, UH, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. 
          BUT IF, IF, IF WE'RE UNSURE OR POSSIBLY LEANING TOWARDS NOT APPROVING IT, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO, UH, TO BE HERE TO SPEAK, BUT I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE OKAY IF WE WERE JUST TO, UH, APPROVE IT AND MOVE ON. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO JUST, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF SAVING TIME, UM, SO, UM, AND DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY, FIRST OF ALL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS? YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE IDENTICAL PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED IN EARLY 2023. 
          WAS IT? AND, AND THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGES. 
          IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE FINANCING TOGETHER OR SOME THIRD, THIRD PARTY ISSUE. 
          YEAH, IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIMING. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE REQUEST, THE PACKET IS THE EXACT SAME PACKET AS WAS, UM, SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY. 
          THAT CAME THROUGH IN JANUARY OF 2023. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE DO HAVE TO STILL CLOSE THE, WELL, I HAVEN'T OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING YET, BUT , I DID ASK YOU IF THERE WAS ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK, BUT, UH, UM, I GUESS, UH, UH, UH, WE DO HAVE TO OPEN IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S OPEN NOW. 
          I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE IT. 
           SECOND, COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          UM, I, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ZONING FILE 24 DASH 27 AS PRESENTED. 
          I WOULD SECOND, UH, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SUTHER. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          WELL, I, I WOULD SAY WE FEEL BAD FOR COMING DOWN SICK, BUT ACTUALLY WE, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THIS CASE. 
          WE VOTED ON IT BEFORE AND THERE'S NO BEEN, NO CHANGES. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE DONE UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, IT'S HARD TO SAY.
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