Dec 03, 2024 City Planning Commission Meetings

PROPOSING, UM, THE FIRST ONE BEING THIS MONUMENT SIGN.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

STUART CORDY, SEVEN 40 EAST CAMPBELL ROAD, UH, SUITE ONE 10, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.

AND, UM, GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL AGAIN.

SO, JUST TO GO BACK KIND OF THROUGH THIS HERE, UM, THE THREE SIGNS THAT WE'RE

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SO I THINK IT CAME BACK, CAME UP, UH, LAST TIME WE, UH, CAME IN FRONT OF Y'ALL.

UM, BUT THERE USED TO BE A MONUMENT SIGN, UH, THAT WAS PERMITTED AND IT WAS INSTALLED OVER ON, UM, THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT AT THE, UM, RIGHT AT THE, WHERE THE MEDIUM BREAK IS INTO THE PROPERTY.

UM, BUT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, WE HAVE HAD VEHICLES, UH, JUST RUN, RUN STRAIGHT THROUGH THE SIGN.

AND SO, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TWO THINGS.

UM, ONE, WE'RE LOOKING TO RELOCATE THE POSITION OF THE MONUMENT SIGN, UH, TO BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH.

SO THE CARS COMING ALONG THE 75 ACCESS ROAD.

UH, WE'LL THEN, YOU KNOW, START TO SEE IT BEFORE GETTING INTO THAT TURN LANE AND AVOIDING THE POTENTIAL OF, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMEONE DRIVE INTO IT AGAIN.

UH, THE SECOND REASON FOR IT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT TOP LEFT PICTURE THERE, UH, THE ORIGINAL MONUMENT SIGN, IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE SMALL.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL SIZE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING, UH, 15 ACRE DEVELOPMENT WITH, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, ROUGHLY AND OVER 30 DIFFERENT, UH, RETAIL, YOU KNOW, TENANTS IN THIS PROPERTY.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORIGINAL SIGN, IT WAS A CONFORMING SIGN.

IT WAS, UH, 60 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE THAT CITY CODE ALLOWS YOU TO GET TO GO UP TO 80 SQUARE FEET.

UM, BUT AGAIN, WITH, WITH THIS MANY TENANTS AND THE PROPERTY OF THIS SIZE, AND ESPECIALLY CONCERNING THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE TENANTS DON'T HAVE, UH, DIRECT VISIBILITY TO, UH, TO ANY OF THE MAJOR ROADS HERE, THEY'RE INTERIOR FACING.

UM, WE WANTED TO SEEK TO OBTAIN APPROVAL FOR A, FOR A LARGER SHINE.

AND, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS ONE WOULD BE ROUGHLY 160 SQUARE FEET OF, UM, YOU KNOW, TENDON PANELS.

AND THEN ALSO HAVING THE, THE PROPERTY NAME THERE ON THE SIDE WITH A, WITH A ARROW POINTING TOWARDS IT, UH, WOULD BE INTERIOR, UM, ILLUMINATED.

AND, UH, KIND OF HAVE SOME, UM, NICE LIGHTS ON THE SIDE THERE BETWEEN EAST SIDE AND THE, AND THE PANELS THEMSELVES.

THE SECOND SIGN HERE.

AND, UM, I GUESS I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE SIGN IS, UH, ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL SIGN AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN ARE, UH, LOCATED WITHIN DARTS RIGHT OF WAY, UM, JUST ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THERE, UH, ORIGINAL ONE WAS SET UP THROUGH, UH, THROUGH AN EASEMENT THAT WAS GRANTED BY DART.

AND WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, APPROACHED DART AND THEY HAVE, UM, PROVIDED THEIR LETTER OF NO OBJECTION HERE.

AND SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO, TO GET THIS APPROVED BY THE CITY, UH, THEN WE'LL GO SEEK, UH, THE NEXT STEPS WITH DART TO GET ANOTHER EASEMENT GRANTED FOR, FOR THAT NEW LOCATION.

UH, THIS ON HERE IS AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGN, AND, UM, SO THIS ONE WOULD BE MOUNTED TO THE TOWER THAT FACES TOWARDS 75, WHICH, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS, AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 75 IS A FLYOVER AT CAMPBELL, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CARS A DAY THAT ARE GOING UP AND DOWN 75.

BUT THESE TENANTS AT THIS PROPERTY, UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TENANTS UP AND DOWN 75, UH, THESE TENANTS AREN'T REALLY GETTING ANY OF THAT, THAT EXPOSURE.

AND SO, UM, AND AGAIN, WITH A, A PROPERTY OF THIS SIDE, IT'S HARD TO THIS SIZE, IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, GO HAVE JUST A SINGLE, YOU KNOW, TENANT SIGN UP THERE AND, YOU KNOW, EXCLUDE EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT A WAY TO, UH, ONE, ENHANCE THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO, UM, HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, LET NUMEROUS TENANTS BE ABLE TO, UH, GET SOME ADVERTISING THERE AND PARTICIPATE THERE, UH, WOULD BE TO GO WITH AN ELECTRONIC SIGN.

SO THE CITY CODE DOES CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR, UM, ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGNS.

IT'S JUST THAT THIS ONE, UH, KIND OF FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE, THE CODE BECAUSE IT'S, UM, IT'S ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING STRUCTURE RATHER THAN BEING ATTACHED TO A, TO A MONUMENT OR ON A FREESTANDING POLE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A STANDALONE SIGN.

SO WE, UH, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ABIDE BY ALL OF THE CODES, UH, THAT ARE APPLICABLE FOR, UH, ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGNS.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SIGN CAN'T CHANGE, UH, HAS TO STAY CONSISTENT FOR FOUR MINUTES BEFORE IT CAN CHANGE.

SO IT WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, THERE WON'T BE ANY FLASHING OR ANYTHING EXORBITANT GOING ON.

UM, THIS IS NOT FOR ANY TYPE OF THIRD PARTY ADVERTISEMENTS.

IT'S PURELY FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE AT THE SIDE DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS OCCASIONALLY PROMOTING, UH, ANY TYPE OF EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, AS WAS SHOWN IN THIS EXAMPLE, UH, OCCASIONALLY DOING, YOU KNOW, A FREE MOVIE NIGHT IN THE PARK WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT ON

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A DISNEY BIG BLOWUP SCREEN WITH THE DISNEY MOVIE.

UH, JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND THEY HAD A, UM, SANTA CLAUS EVENT OUT THERE.

AND SO, UH, ONCE A QUARTER OR SO.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST A WAY TO KIND OF GET THE WORD OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE PROPERTY AND, AND SUPPORT THESE BUSINESSES.

UH, HERE'S A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.

UM, THE PICTURES ARE KIND OF POOR QUALITY.

I APOLOGIZE.

THEY WERE TAKEN FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW.

UM, BUT JUST SHOWING EXAMPLES OF SOME OTHER CLASS A DEVELOPMENTS, UM, IN NORTH TEXAS HERE, UP AND DOWN 75.

SO, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS PRESTON HOLLOW VILLAGE AT WALNUT HILTON 75.

THAT'S THE TRADER JOE'S ANCHORED SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT THERE.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE A MUCH LARGER ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGN.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, WATERS CREEK.

SO UP NORTH AND AT BETHANY AND, UM, 75 AND ALLEN.

AND THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THAT PICTURE WHERE THEY'RE, UH, PROMOTING THEIR CONCERTS, UH, CONCERTS AT THE CREEK.

AGAIN, HERE'S THE, UH, THE LOCATION OF IT.

SO YOU CAN SEE 75 ON THE LEFT.

UM, AND THEN THESE ARE THIS, UM, ELECTRONIC DIGITAL TOUCHSCREENS, KIND OF LIKE THE WAY YOU SEE IF YOU GO TO A, TO A MALL AND THEY HAVE THE KIOSK IN THE MALL THAT KIND OF HELP YOU NAVIGATE YOUR WAY AROUND.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE MORE MODERN WAY NOW IS DOING 'EM ELECTRONIC WHERE YOU CAN EASILY UPDATE THEM.

UM, AND SO THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THESE, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE IS PUTTING ONE AT EACH END OF THE, OF THE PARK, UH, THE TWO ACRE PARK THERE, AND THEN ONE OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, THE PARKING GARAGE.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARKING GARAGES, UH, WITHIN EAST SIDE, BUT THAT, THAT IS KIND OF THE, THE PRIMARY ONE AND THE ONE THAT GETS USED THE MOST BY VISITORS AND CUSTOMERS.

AND SO AS PEOPLE KIND OF COME OUT OF THE, THE PARKING GARAGE THERE, UH, OR AS THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, ENJOYING THEIR TIME IN THE PARK WALKING AROUND, UH, THEY CAN USE THAT TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERACTIVE SCREEN.

THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT OTHER, UH, BUSINESSES AROUND.

AND, UM, SO ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE THESE BUSINESSES AND, UH, ALLOW THEM TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEY, AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN BE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS AS MENTIONED, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THE, THE PROPERTY OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS HAD, UM, KIND OF HIT WAS, YOU KNOW, HEADING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

IT HAD GOTTEN DOWN TO 50% OCCUPANCY.

UM, WE WE'RE NOW BACK UP TO, TO 91%, UH, SINCE WE TOOK OVER A YEAR AGO.

AND, UH, WELL, WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST SIGNED THE LEASE LAST WEEK, SO NOW WE'RE AT 94%.

UM, AND YEAH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE OCCUPANCY DIP WAS, UM, WHEN THAT HAD BEEN PRIMARILY RELATED TO COVID AND KIND OF THE SHUTDOWN WE HAD IN 2021 AND YES.

WAS IT SOMETHING ELSE? I THINK THAT THE, I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THERE.

UM, THAT IS A PRIMARY ONE, BUT HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT RETAIL OCCUPANCY ACROSS DFW AND REALLY ACROSS TEXAS, UM, THE, THE OCCUPANCIES DIDN'T, THERE WEREN'T AS MANY BUSINESSES THAT CLOSED AS WHAT WE WERE ALL ANTICIPATING.

AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE MOST LANDLORDS WERE WILLING TO, TO WORK WITH THEIR TENANTS.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT STEPPED IN AND PROVIDE SOME ASSISTANCE AS WELL.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, LANDLORDS WERE UN, YOU KNOW, OPERATING ON THERE, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, OKAY, WELL IF I KICK THIS TENANT OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A HARD TIME RIGHT NOW IF I KICK THEM OUT.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LINE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, COMING TO WANTING TO OPEN UP A, A NEW BUSINESS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDST OF THE PANDEMIC.

UM, RICHARDSON, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RESTAURANT TOURS THAT ARE HERE, UH, THEY WERE HIT.

AND REALLY EVEN SOME OF THE SERVICE TENANTS AS WELL, THEY WERE HIT A LITTLE BIT HARDER IN THIS AREA, UH, THAN SOME OTHERS.

UM, JUST BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER OF OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA AND THE, THE TELECOM CORRIDOR.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN, WE, WE TRACKED THE SALES, UH, FOR THESE TENANTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN INCREASING AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK INTO THE OFFICE.

AND, UH, THE OCCUPANCY RATES OF THE OFFICE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN INCREASING.

SO, UM, SO I DO THINK THAT IT WAS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, BUT AGAIN, IT WASN'T CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED ELSEWHERE IN, IN THE METROPLEX.

AND, AND YOUR FIRM, UH, ACQUIRED THE RETAIL PORTION IN YES, SIR.

UM, MA OWNS THE APARTMENTS.

WE ACQUIRED THE OCTOBER OF 23, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS ACCURATE, YES.

IN LATE 23.

SO THE RETAIL PORTION BEING, UH, THOSE THREE WHITE ROOFTOP BUILDINGS THERE.

UM, AND THEN THE APARTMENTS,

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THEY HAVE RETAIL ON THEIR GROUND FLOOR AS WELL.

AND SO I THINK THAT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHAT KIND OF CAUSED THE, THE DIP IN THE OCCUPANCY, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS THAT, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, HAS GOOD STREET VISIBILITY, THEN YOU'RE PICKING UP THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING OUT AND, AND DRIVING BY.

BUT YOU KNOW, DURING TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS WERE, WERE TOUGH, YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE JUST PEOPLE GOING OUT AND, YOU KNOW, GOING TO A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY, ANY REASON TO, THERE WASN'T THAT BIG, THAT BIG DRAWN.

SO, UM, A LOT OF THESE TENANTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TUCKED AWAY AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE IN THERE UNLESS THEY HAPPEN TO STUMBLE, YOU KNOW, STUMBLE UPON, STUMBLE IN THERE AT SOME POINT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE OCCUPANCY IS FOR THE, UH, APARTMENTS RETAIL SPACE? UH, THEY HAVE 36,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, AND I BELIEVE THEY ONLY HAVE TWO VACANCIES, UM, WHICH ARE, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE AT ABOUT 75%.

NOW, WOULD THEY THOSE TENANTS BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ON THE SIGN BOARD, OR IS THIS EXCLUSIVE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS NOW? IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE AS WELL.

THEY WOULD, SO YES.

UM, YEAH, WE ARE, WE'RE JOINED IN THIS APPLICATION WITH, UH, WITH BOTH ALL OF THE OWNERS OF EAST SIDE.

AND SO INCLUDING THE OFFICE TOO, INCLUDING THE OFFICE.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE OFFICE, UH, CARES TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE.

UM, THEY, THEY SUPPORT US WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT, UH, RIGHT.

THERE'S NOT REALLY THE BENEFIT, THEORETICALLY, DIRECTLY, THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD, IF SOMEBODY RIGHT OFFICE TENANT, YOU WANTED TO LEASE THEM A SIGN, A PANEL ON THE MONUMENT, LET'S SAY, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

AND SO AS WELL AS THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGING AND, UH, KIOSK YES, ALL THE SIGNS, REALLY ALL THE SIGNS.

SO ASIDE FROM THE PD THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY, THERE'S ALSO AN REA AGREEMENT, WHICH IS, UH, KIND OF WHAT GOVERNS THE, THE THREE PARTIES HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, UM, WHO MAINTAINS THE, THE COMMON AREA, WHO MAINTAINS THE PARK, AND HOW DO THOSE COSTS GET DIVVIED UP? AND SO, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, EVEN IF Y'ALL WERE TO APPROVE IT, WE'D STILL HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE OTHER PARTIES OF THE REA AND, UM, SO YES, WE, WE SOUGHT THEIR APPROVAL FIRST BEFORE COMING TO YOU.

BUT IS THE IDEA TO HAVE THE, OR THE KIOSKS, UH, WOULD YOU HAVE THE OFFICE TENANTS ON THE KIOSK? WE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION REALLY HASN'T COME UP.

AND SO I, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD, WOULD OBJECT TO IT IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THE OFFICE OWNER WANTED THEM TO, OR MANAGEMENT COMPANY, UH, THOUGHT THAT IT'D BE BENEFICIAL, THEN, UM, I KNOW WE'D BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK AT IT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT USES HERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OFFICE, THEY, THEIR BIG THING WITH SUPPORTING US, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GET MUCH BENEFIT FROM THESE SIGNS THEMSELVES.

UH, THEY DO GET THE BENEFIT FROM THE RETAIL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS TO, IT MAKES THOSE, THAT OFFICE BUILDING MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE TO POTENTIAL TENANTS WHEN YOU HAVE A NICE FIBER AND, YOU KNOW, UM, ATMOSPHERE HERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO, YOU KNOW, WALK OUTSIDE AND GO GRAB LUNCH, UH, PANERA OR ONE OF THE VARIOUS OTHER RESTAURANTS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THESE, IF THE PROPERTY'S SITTING THERE AT 50% LEASED, UH, THEN THAT MAKES THE, THE OFFICE BUILDING ALSO LESS ATTRACTIVE AS WELL.

UH, BUT OVER THAT TIME, SO, UM, THE PRIOR OWNER, THEY PURCHASED IT FROM THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER BACK IN 2000.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE IMPACT OF COVID ON OCCUPANCY AND THAT, SO IS IT YOUR CONTENTION? YOU KNOW, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER.

I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THERE, BUT IS IT YOUR CONTENTION THAT IT'S THE LACK OF SIGNAGE THAT HAS, UH, DIMINISHED OCCUPANCY OVER TIME? IT, SO I CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO WHAT, WHY THE TENANT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS 50%, WHEN I SAY 50%, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE THREE RETAIL BUILDINGS.

UH, IT WAS 50% WHEN WE ACQUIRED IT.

AND SO I CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, WHY THE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, JERSEY MIKE'S AND CELSO AND TWISTED ROOT, AND, YOU KNOW, WHY EACH OF THOSE TENANTS LEFT.

I DO THINK THAT, UM, THAT THAT WAS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.

AND I THINK THAT THE PRIOR OWNERSHIP GROUP, UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A, IT WAS A LARGE REIT THAT OWNS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROPERTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, KEEPING ONE SMALL TENANT, UH, YOU KNOW, WASN'T REALLY VERY IMPACTFUL FOR THEM.

AND I THINK THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, QUICKER TO, UH, TO GO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOCK SOME TENANTS OUT AND JUST NOT, UM, NOT KEEP 'EM IN THERE.

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UM, SEE, I THINK IT WAS 2016.

AND OVER THAT SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, UH, THEY'D ONLY SIGNED ONE NEW LEASE, UH, DURING THAT TIME.

AND SO SINCE THEN, WE'VE COME IN AND SIGNED, UM, I THINK SIX NEW LEASES IN THE PAST YEAR.

SO IT, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT JUST, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING IN RETAIL.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY BACKGROUND IS, IS I'VE SPENT, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS, UH, DOING RETAIL LEASING FOR, UH, FOR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD HIRE MYSELF AND OUR TEAM TO, UH, TO LEASE THEIR PROPERTIES FOR 'EM.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, OVER THOSE 10 YEARS, I'VE, UM, TOURED, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF TENANTS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, AND, UH, WORKED ON MANY DEALS AND UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, WHAT TENANTS LOOK FOR.

AND SO I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WHAT LED TO THE, TO THE OCCUPANCY DIPPING, BUT JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW DO BUSINESSES, UH, HOW CAN WE MAKE THEM SUCCEED? AND SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S MORE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO RETAIN THE TENANTS THAN TO, TO ATTRACT THE TENANTS.

AND 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOW, NOW THAT WE'RE UP TO THE 94% OCCUPANCY, UM, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SITTING HERE AND YOU'RE, UH, SAY LIKE THE ICON RESTAURANT, UM, THEY'RE OVER THERE ON THE END OF THIS SOUTHERN BUILDING.

UM, SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VISIBILITY TO THE ROAD.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PAYING A LOT OF RENT EVERY MONTH.

AND IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU, THAT YOU EXIST, IT'S HARD TO GET THOSE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO GET THOSE CUSTOMERS TO COME IN AND TO SEE YOU.

UH, BUT IF YOU CAN GO PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISING OUT THERE AND THEN PEOPLE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, GENERAL LEADS TO MORE BUSINESS.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER SIGN ON THE PREMISES ON THE CAMPBELL SIDE.

UHHMM WEST OF PANERA'S, RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE FROM CAMPBELL.

WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT SIGN? UH, THAT SIGN TO STAY AS IS? UM, THERE ARE A FEW EMPTY PANELS ON IT AT THE MOMENT, AND SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHY YOU WERE ASKING, UH, BUT WE'VE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS MORE THAN ANYTHING.

UH, NO, THAT, THAT SIGN WE'RE, WE'RE CONTENT WITH THAT SIGN.

UM, IT HAS, UH, IT'S LARGER THAN, IT'S GOT THREE SIDES TO IT, AND IT HAS NUMEROUS PANELS ON ALL THREE SIDES.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT DOESN'T, FOR THE TENANTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO ARE KIND OF MORE, UM, ON THE CAMPBELL SIDE, IF YOU TAKE PANERA FOR EXAMPLE, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PANERA SIGN RIGHT THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR BUILDING SIGN.

BUT IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY ACCESS ROAD, YOU KNOW, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN PANERA, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THAT PANERA IS, YOU KNOW, JUST RIGHT THERE AROUND THE CORNER.

UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE REASON THAT WE, UH, HAVE SOME BLANK PANELS ON THERE IS WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO, UM, REALLY KIND OF FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THIS APPROVED OR NOT BEFORE GOING IN AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO, HOW TO FILL THOSE UP.

UM, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT SINCE I AM SO FAMILIAR WITH THE CENTER.

I'VE BEEN IN RICHARDSON FOR 20 PLUS YEARS, AND BECAUSE I LIVED CLOSE TO THERE, I'VE PROBABLY BEEN VISITING THIS SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE LAST 10 AT LEAST.

AND, UH, I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, AND THAT, THAT MYSELF AND MY WIFE REALLY LIKED.

THERE WAS A CAJUN PLACE THERE, THEY CAME AND WENT REALLY QUICK.

THIS WAS PROBABLY BEFORE YEAR OWNERSHIP.

I THINK TIFF'S TREATS JUST LEFT.

NOT TOO LONG AGO.

I DON'T, I GUESS THAT WAS UNDER YOUR, UH, THAT WAS, UH, BEFORE WE ACQUIRED IT.

BUT WE, UH, PUT IN AN ATTENDANT CALLED, UH, PEACH COBBLER FACTORY.

I SAW, SAW THAT CAME IN BEHIND THEM, SAW, AND THEY'VE BEEN, UH, DOING PRETTY WELL.

SO, ANYWAY, UH, WHAT I WAS GETTING TO IS THAT I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA KEEP, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER SOLVENT, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE, UH, OCCUPANCY UP.

I MEAN, NOT ANYTHING, BUT CERTAINLY THE SIGNAGE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BEACH.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY COMMENT.

GOOD EVENING.

UM, I'M CURIOUS, UM, MAINLY JUST CURIOUS, I GUESS, UH, BUT THE, THE PEDESTRIAN KIOSKS, I MEAN, HOW RELIABLE ARE THEY? I READ A BIG ARTICLE IN DALLAS MORNING NEWS THAT PEOPLE IN DALLAS SEEM TO BE HATING ON THEM.

UH, AND I'M, I'M WONDERING BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S GREAT IF YOU CAN WALK UP AND TOUCH A BUTTON AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE PLACE, BUT IT'S AWFUL WHEN YOU WALK UP AND YOU TOUCH A BUTTON, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, AND IT'S NOT WORKING.

SO ARE THEY REAL RELIABLE, KIND OF RELIABLE? ARE THEY WIFI? I MEAN, IF YOU HAD A, A PAIR OF META GLASSES, IS IT GONNA GIVE YOU VIRTUAL REALITY OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR SHOPPING CENTER OR, OR YOUR SHOPPING AREA OR THAT, THAT'D BE COOL.

I'M NOT SURE I'VE SEEN THAT, THAT FEATURE, BUT, UM, THE RELIABILITY OF MY,

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YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT INSTALLED THESE BEFORE, UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

SO MA WHO IS THE APARTMENT OWNER, UH, THEY OWN APARTMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MIXED USE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND SO, UM, THIS WAS, YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN ON THE, UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR LOGO AND THEIR, THEIR NAME ON THE TOP.

THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WENT OUT AND, UM, AND OBTAINED THIS.

AND, AND SO, UH, IT, IT IS A VERY REPUTABLE, UM, NATIONAL MANUFACTURER AND INSTALLER THAT THEY, THAT THEY'VE KIND OF BROUGHT TO THE TABLE HERE.

UM, BUT IT, PERSONALLY SPEAKING, WE HAVE NOT INSTALLED THEM BEFORE.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK INTO AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULDN'T RUN INTO THOSE ISSUES.

BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT, OR IN THE APPROVAL THAT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, OPERATING PROPERLY.

94%, UH, YEAH, I'D HATE TO HATE TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY AND THEN HAVING THAT NOT WORK.

I, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF FOR A MOMENT.

UH, WHAT I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY IS THAT THE, UH, WHAT ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGNS ARE ALLOWED IN THE CITY AS LONG AS THEY'RE ON A, A MONUMENT OR A POLE.

BUT THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT IT'S ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THE, THE SIGN CODE THAT WE HAVE IS VERY SPECIFIC, AND IT LAYS OUT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE RESTRICTIVE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE GET A LOT OF THESE MASTER SIGN CODES, UH, PLANS BROUGHT FOR YOU, UH, THROUGHOUT, OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS TO KIND OF ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT HARSHNESS THAT THE, THE, THE, THE STANDARD CODE HAS.

SO BESIDES BEING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING VERSUS A FREESTANDING, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THAT ELECTRONIC MESSAGING THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE? AND IF YOU NEED A LITTLE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, THAT'S FINE.

UH, SPECIFICALLY, IF, IF YOU, YOU'LL, YOU CAN PULL UP THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT, THAT TABLE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKETS YEAH.

MM-HMM, THOSE LAYOUTS SPECIFICALLY, WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT ARE DEVIATIONS FROM OUR CODE.

SO, UH, IS THAT, UM, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME, 'CAUSE I, I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE TABLE THERE.

UM, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGING, IS IT THE SIZE, SIZE OF 139 VERSUS 128 SQUARE FEET? IS THAT A VARIANCE? IT IS.

THE, THE SIZE AS WELL AND THE TABLE.

WELL, THIS TABLE ACTUALLY WAS CUT OFF ON, UM, THIS TABLE.

THAT ONE.

BUT, UM, YEAH, SO THE, A MONUMENT SIGN, UH, CAN BE 80 SQUARE FEET AN AREA AND, UH, CAN INCLUDE AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FOR A PROPORTION OF THAT.

UM, SO THIS WOULD BE ABOVE THE 80 SQUARE FEET.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T SEE THE 80 SQUARE FEET.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S JUST HIS REQUEST.

THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR REQUEST, ISN'T IT? YEAH, THAT'S JUST HIS REQUEST.

THAT'S, SORRY, THAT'S JUST HIS REQUEST.

THAT'S NOT COMPARED TO THE THINGS, BUT I WILL AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, WHILE WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR A FACTOR TWO, THAT THIS IS VERY, UM, THIS COMPORTS WITH OTHER MIXED USE AREAS IN THE RELATIVE DENSITIES.

UM, AND CERTAINLY IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY LESS SO THAN SOME OTHERS, UM, THAT I'VE SEEN OR, OR RAN INTO.

SO I THINK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT LINES UP AND I THINK RICHARDSON HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM.

UM, JUST, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT THIS TOO, BRIAN, IT'S, IT'S RETAIL ACTUALLY IS, IT GETS KIND OF FLOWN BY.

EVERYBODY LEAVES DALLAS AND THEY DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN RICHARDSON, PARTIALLY BECAUSE SOME OF OUR SIDE, PARTIALLY BECAUSE THE HIGHWAY'S ELEVATED FOR MOST OF IT, SO THEY NEVER SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE TEST CASE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME VALUE THERE.

AARON, DID YOU, WERE YOU ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING? NO, NO.

I DO HAVE A CONCERN WHEN YOU, IF IT GOES BLANK AND THERE'S BLANK PANELS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OLD FADED PANELS, YOU KNOW, THAT SOMEBODY WAS NO LONGER THERE THAT LEFT FIVE YEARS AGO, AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, AND, AND THEY REALLY CAN BECOME AN EYESORE.

WELL, I THINK, UM, FOR ME, THE ISSUE IS, UH, I GET THE, I GET THE MONUMENT SIGN, UM, ESPECIALLY IF THE OTHER ONE'S BEEN DESTROYED A FEW TIMES WITH ITS PLACEMENT.

UM, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT, MOVING IT FURTHER SOUTH AND THE DART RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, BUT

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UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE DRIVING UP AND DOWN THAT, THAT'S MY FEAR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT'S THIS THING REALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, AND IS IT, IS IT GONNA BE AN EYESORE FOR RICHARDSON AS YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH ON 75, YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE YOUR BUSINESSES, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE THE CITY.

AND SO, UH, WHAT ASSURANCES CAN YOU GIVE US THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED? YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT FULL, IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A BUNCH OF BLANK PANELS ON THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, ARE YOU PLANNING TO SELL THESE LEASE THESE, OR ARE THESE JUST AS CONSIDERATION FOR BEING A CUSTOMER THERE? JUST CONSIDERATE.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TO PROFIT ANYTHING FROM THESE, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE LOOK AT IT LIKE WE'RE IN BUSINESS WITH EACH OF OUR TENANTS, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ORDER FOR US TO BE SUCCESSFUL AS THE LANDLORD.

AND SO, UM, WE, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT THE APARTMENTS WOULD DO FOR ANY OF THEIR PANELS OF THEIR PORTION, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO GO, YOU KNOW, AUCTION 'EM OFF OR SELL 'EM, LEASE 'EM.

UM, SOME OF THE TENANTS WERE GRANTED RIGHTS TO THEM IN THEIR LEASES.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ORIGINAL MONUMENT SIGN, FROST BANK, ET CETERA.

UH, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER TENANTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THESE NEW TENANTS, UH, THAT WE PUT IN THERE THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET, GET IT APPROVED, THEN THEY WILL HAVE THE RIGHTS TO A PANEL ON THERE.

UM, AND SO IN TERMS OF ASSURANCES, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO IS, UH, COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO FIND WAYS TO, TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY.

AND WE'VE STILL GOT, UH, WE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT DONE.

WE'VE STILL GOT, YOU KNOW, QUITE A, QUITE A BIT TO GO IN WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE.

UM, BUT I I'M WITH, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LEASED ALMOST LEASED UP NOW, SO I MEAN, IT'S, IF YOU WERE FI SITTING 50% VACANT, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE, THERE MIGHT BE MORE OF A NEED TO HAVE IT, BUT YOU'RE, I GUESS YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT FULLY LEASED, SO YEAH, WE, WE WANT EVERYONE TO, TO THRIVE IN THERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN, UH, KIND OF DRAW INTO THE PROPERTY, IT JUST, UM, HELPS PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, AN OVERALL, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEONE COMES IN AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT COME IN FOR A, A, HAVE DINNER AT A RESTAURANT AND THEN WALK OVER TO PEACH COBBLER FACTORY OR, YOU KNOW, THEY GO GET TO THE, THEIR SALON AND, UM, GET THEIR HAIR DONE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GO GRAB A BITE BITE FOR DINNER AND JUST, UH, KIND OF CREATING THAT OVERALL ATMOSPHERE, UM, WHERE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REALLY COME ENJOY THE PROPERTY FOR, FOR MULTIPLE HOURS.

UM, BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I, I GET BOTHERED BY THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE GO OUT AND BUY PROPERTIES, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DO IS, UH, GO IN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TRIM THE TREES BACK JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE A LOT OF PROPERTIES WHERE LANDLORDS JUST KIND OF OVERLOOK THE, YOU KNOW, THESE TREES GET SO OVERGROWN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST BLOCKS THE ENTIRE, UH, THE ENTIRE VISIBILITY TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

AND SO, UM, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST THE LITTLE THINGS THAT, THAT CAN REALLY HELP, HELP IMPROVE THINGS LIKE KEEPING SIGNS PROPERLY MAINTAINED.

UM, BUT IF, IF THAT WAS, IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD PUT SOMETHING INTO THE APPROVAL HERE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF A TENANT VACATES THAT THAT PANEL, YOU KNOW, CAN'T, CAN'T STAY ON THERE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, IF PANELS GO FADED, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN REPLACE THOSE AS WELL.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS RICHARDSON SIGN ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESSES WHAT COMMISSIONER BEACH WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO, OR WHAT CHAIRMAN MARSH ARE ALLUDING TO IN TERMS OF THE METRIC PERFORMANCE METRICS FOR SIGNS? SO WHAT'S THAT? YEAH.

ARE YOU WANTING ABOUT THE SIZE? UM, NO, I'M ASKING, LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT THE BLANK SIGN FACES AND MAINTENANCE OF THE SIGNS.

YEAH, THE, THE SIGNS.

THERE IS UHHUH IN THE SIGN CODE AND, UM, THERE IS A SECTION ON, UM, INSPECTION.

AND THAT DOES ALLOW FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO INSPECT SIGNS.

THEY NEED TO BE KEPT IN A STATE OF REPAIR, SAME CONDITION WHEN THE SIGN WAS INSTALLED, EXCEPT FOR REASONABLE WEAR AND TEAR.

UM, AND THEN ABANDONED SIGNS WITHIN 180 DAYS AFTER A BUSINESS HAS BEEN ABANDONED OR, UM, LEFT THE SPACE, THEN THE SIGN NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

SO WE DO HAVE, UH, HAVE ITEMS IN THE CODE THAT THE, THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT CAN ENFORCE.

UH, REALLY THE LAST POINT I WANNA MAKE PRIMARILY FOR YOU, YOU, THE COMMISSION IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNCIL'S REALLY LOOKING TO US IN TERMS OF GIVING A RECOMMENDATION, UH, OBVIOUSLY A RECOMMENDATION.

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UM, WE DON'T HAVE FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS, UH, BUT, UH, THE IDEA OF THE, UH, ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGN, RIGHT, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT TYPE OF USE THROUGH THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR.

AND, UM, SO EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE ALLOWED, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND, UH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M A LITTLE TORN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR THAT.

I SEE THE NEED FOR THE MONUMENT, UM, AND, UH, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE KIOSK AT ALL, BUT, UH, I THINK THE MESSAGING BOARD IS ONE THAT SORT OF KNEW THAT WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF IN THE CITY.

SO IF IT'S ALLOWED HERE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE EVERY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN IN TOWN THAT'S GONNA WANNA PUT A ELECTRONIC MESSAGING BOARD UP THERE, ROTATING ADVERTISEMENTS.

SO I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE.

AND I NOT REALLY, IF IT'S ON A, A SIDE OF A BUILDING OR A MONUMENT, IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S WHAT IT, WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS.

CAN WE, IF I, CAN WE LET THE APPLICANT SIT DOWN? NO, I WAS JUST SAYING I WAS GIVEN GIVE 'EM A CHANCE TO A, A ADDRESS ANYTHING IF THEY WANT.

YEAH, I THINK THE, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS CAN, UM, SEEM TO KIND OF SOMETIMES GET A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION TO 'EM WITH, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AND I, WHEN I DRIVE AROUND AND SEE 'EM, I, I SEE IT MORE AS, UM, AS AN IMPROVEMENT IN SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT STANDS OUT VERSUS IF YOU JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, SAY ONE THAT'S TAKE THAT SAME SIGN AND YOU JUST HAD A FLAT, YOU KNOW, JUST FROST BANK ON THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, NOTHING THAT WAS DIGITAL, AND THEN YOU HAD THE SAME FROST BANK ONE THAT WAS DIGITAL, AND YOU LOOKED AT BOTH OF THEM SIDE BY SIDE.

IN MY OPINION, THAT ONE'S GONNA LOOK MORE MODERN AND NEWER.

IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK, YOU KNOW, WORSE THAN HAVING JUST THE, THE BASIC ONE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, THE CODE HERE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT FOR, FOR FOUR MINUTES ON IT.

AND SO, UH, NO ONE'S REALLY EVEN GONNA NOTICE THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S CHANGING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOME TRAFFIC IS JUST A COMPLETE A STANDSTILL ON 75, UM, YOU REALLY WON'T EVEN NOTICE THAT IT'S, UH, THAT IT IS ELECTRONIC, UM, YOU KNOW, IN CHANGING THROUGH VARIOUS TENANTS.

SO I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED ON FREESTANDING, UH, POST ANYWAY.

YEAH, I I, IT'S JUST THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S NEW AND I THINK THIS IS JUST, WE'RE ONLY APPROVING ONE INSTANCE, RIGHT? WE DON'T CHANGE THE, LIKE, BY APPROVING THIS.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE 500 IN THE CITY ALL OF A SUDDEN.

IT'S JUST LIKE IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, WE THINK IT'S WORTH TRYING.

I THINK THAT'S, I, TO ME THAT'S VERY REASONABLE.

THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

UM, YEAH, I GET THE POINT THAT YOU RAISED.

I THINK YOU DID COMMISSIONER CUTS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE, UH, FLYOVER AS YOU GO THROUGH RICHARDSON BECAUSE OF THE RAISED 75 THROUGH A LOT OF THE AREA IS A GOOD POINT.

UM, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION OR DID YOU HAVE AT ANY TIME YOU'RE READY? WELL, I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND, OH, WAIT, COMMISSIONER BEACH.

WELL, I MEAN, WE, I THIS IS, HE'S STILL HEARING, RIGHT? NO, IT'S NOT.

NO, THIS IS NOT, OH, PARDON ME.

I'M GREAT.

WELL THEN I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE, UH, MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR EAST SIDE ACTION ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OUR LIST.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE NEED A SECOND? YEAH, YEAH.

I SECOND, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MASTER SHINE PLAN FOR EAST SIDE AS PRESENTED.

UH, WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, UH, SO MYSELF OPPOSED, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE I, I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE, UH, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, UPKEEP OF IT AND THE, UH, REALLY STARTING A TREND.

I'M NOT SURE WE'RE READY FOR.

SO THAT'S IT.

THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

[3. Zoning File 24-29 Special Permit – Pillars Childcare: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Permit for a childcare center within an existing 13,060 square foot building on a 3.1-acre lot currently zoned PD Planned Development and located at 3501 Murphy Road, south of Renner Road, on the west side of Murphy Road. Owner: Murphy Road-Whistle Stop Station LP. Staff: Derica Peters.]

WE MOVE ON TO, UH, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ZONING FILE, 24 DASH 29.

SPECIAL PERMIT FOR PILLARS CHILDCARE, MS. PETERS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 35 0 1 MURPHY ROAD.

THE SUBJECT SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 1998 WITH A CHILDCARE CENTER.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 12,500 SQUARE FEET.

THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AT SINGLE

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FAMILY HOMES.

AND TO THE EAST IS THE CITY OF MURPHY.

UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER IN AN EXISTING CHILDCARE CENTER.

SO THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

UH, SO THAT IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

THE SECOND PHOTO IS THE WEST SIDE IS LOOKING WEST AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PLAYGROUNDS IN THE BACK.

HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE PARKING LOT AND THEN A PHOTO, UH, LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING SIX FOOT MASON RY SCREENING WALL.

SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS THREE ACRES.

UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE BUILDING IS 12,500 SQUARE FEET.

SO ORIGINALLY IN 1998, THIS SITE WAS APPROVED FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER THAT WAS LIMITED TO, UH, THE OWNER, UH, THAT OPERATED KNOWN AS, UH, UNDER THE NAME KNOWN AS WHISTLE STOP CHILDCARE.

UH, THIS YEAR THE OPERATIONS HAVE CHANGED OWNERSHIP AND THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO A 20 YEAR LEASE TO CON CONTINUE OPERATIONS AT THIS LOCATION UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP, UH, THIS IS THE PILLARS CHILDCARE CENTER.

THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED CHILDCARE CENTER THAT IS BASED OUT OF SAN ANTONIO, AND THEY ALREADY HAVE 14 LOCATIONS ACROSS TEXAS.

SO, ORIGINALLY WHISTLE STOP CHILDCARE CALLED FOR 235 CHILDREN AT MAXIMUM.

UH, THE NEW, UH, TENANT BELIEVES THAT THEY CAN HAVE A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT OF 248 STUDENTS AT THIS LOCATION AND STILL MEET THE STATE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR CHILDCARE CENTERS.

CURRENTLY, THEY HAVE AN AN ENROLLMENT OF 147 STUDENTS, AND THEY HAVE 24 TEACHERS ON STAFF.

SO DROP OFF AND PICK UP WILL BE, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE SEVEN TO FIVE.

THE PEAK PICKUP TIME IN THE MORNINGS ARE DROP OFF.

TIMES IN THE MORNINGS WILL BE SEVEN TO 9:00 AM AND THEN FOR DISMISSAL IN THE AFTERNOON, THE PEAK HOUR WILL BE FOUR TO 5:00 PM THEY WILL ALSO HAVE THREE TO FOUR BUSES THAT TRANSPORT STUDENTS FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS TO THIS LOCATION.

THERE ARE THREE PLAYGROUNDS EXISTING ON SITE, SO THEY DO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR PLAY AREA.

THERE'S ONE POINT OF ACCESS.

THIS IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON MURPHY ROAD, AND THERE IS ONSITE CIRCULATION THROUGH THE PARKING LOT IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE DIRECTION.

THE SITE DOES MEET AND EXCEED THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS ONE PARKING SPACE PER 300 SQUARE FOOT OF THE CHILDCARE BUILDING.

AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT INTEND TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE SITE.

THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THIS REQUEST.

SHOULD THE CPC APP ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED, THE SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE PILLARS, AND THE, UH, CENTER WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT OF 248 CHILDREN.

AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

NO, THANK YOU.

KIDS IS A, IS A STATE LICENSING CAPACITY, REALLY.

WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT.

PLEASE COME FORWARD.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S GAR ANDERSON, 300 EAST ONTARIO BOULEVARD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.

I BROUGHT Y'ALL SOME STUFF.

I DON'T HAVE A POWERPOINT, BUT I BROUGHT Y'ALL SOME STUFF.

CAN I GIVE THIS TO YOU? JUST A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THIS? YEAH.

LIKE, UH, THAT WAS MENTIONED.

SO, UM, WE'VE OWNED AND OPERATED THE PILLARS CHRISTIAN LEARNING CENTERS, UH, SINCE 2009.

UH, WE FOUNDED IT IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS WITH ONE LOCATION, UH, EXPANDING IN SAN ANTONIO AND UP TO THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA IN, UH, 20, LATE 2021.

UH, WE'VE RECENTLY ACQUIRED, UH, WHISTLE STOP STATION.

IT'S A, UH, UH, UH, AN ACQUISITION FOR US THAT, UH, THE, THE MISSION AND VALUES ALIGNED VERY WELL WITH US.

IT WAS, UH, AN EXISTING, UH, CHRISTIAN-BASED FACILITY, UH, RUN BY THE SIMPSON FAMILY FOR, FOR YEARS.

AND, UM, AND SO WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING A SAFE PLACE TO EXIT FOR FOLKS WITH, UH, UNIQUE PROGRAMMING LIKE THAT THAT OFTENTIMES ISN'T PROTECTED WHEN YOU SELL TO, UH, OTHER LARGER GROUPS THAT, UH, MIGHT BE NATIONAL AND LOOKING TO GROW EBITDA FOR A HIGHER MULTIPLE ON EXIT ONE DAY.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN PLACE, THE, FOR THE EXISTING USE, WHICH WE ARE NOT CHANGING, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING WITH THE, WITH THE FACILITY ITSELF OUTSIDE OF THE INSIDE WITH SOME PAINT AND SIGNAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT OUT, UH, AND, AND A LITTLE BIT, UH, THE 249

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UH, OUR OPERATING CAPACITY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSER TO 200, UH, FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT REASONS.

THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM.

SO TO, UH, TO, TO REALLY, TO GET TO A 249, UH, KID CAPACITY, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A HUNDRED, UM, AFTERSCHOOL KIDS, WHICH THEN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A FLEET OF EIGHT VANS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, WHICH WE WOULDN'T , WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T DO.

SO REALLY, THE OPERATING CAPACITY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSER TO 200.

WE'RE AT 150 RIGHT NOW, SO AT ABOUT 70% OCCUPANCY, WE'D HOPE TO GET THAT UP TO 80, 85%.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR OBJECTIVE WOULD BE TO GET IT TO A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE, A HUNDRED EIGHTY KIDS PROBABLY.

UM, I THINK, UH, ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE FOR, FOR ME? NO.

ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY DISCUSSION? UH, WELL, THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M SORRY.

UH, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS CASE? OKAY.

DON'T THINK SO.

UH, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I SECOND GOT A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER ENO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A ZONING FILE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ZONING FILE 24 29, SPECIAL PERMIT PILLARS, CHILDCARE AS PRESENTED.

I SECOND THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF 24 29.

MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

AND SECOND, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK.

OKAY, WE GO ON TO OUR NEXT

[4. Zoning File 24-28 PD Planned Development – Duck Creek Townhomes: Consider and act on a request to rezone approximately 3-acres located north of E. Belt Line Road, west of N. Jupiter Road, from LR-M(2) Local Retail to PD Planned Development District for a townhome development with 36-units. Owner: Centy Ventures I LTD represented by James Chen. Staff: Derica Peters.]

ITEM.

UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

THIS IS ZONING FILE, 24 DASH 28 PLAN DEVELOPMENT DUCK CREEK TOWN HOMES.

MS. PETERS.

THERE WILL ALSO BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THE SITE.

SO ZONING FILE 24 28 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES FROM LOCAL RETAIL TWO TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT WITH 36 TOWN HOME UNITS.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BELTLINE ROAD AND JUPITER ROAD.

UH, IT DOES HAVE SOME FRONTAGE ALONG JUPITER, UH, BUT VERY LITTLE.

THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH THE MILLWOOD CREEK CONDOS.

TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE IS THE CVS AND THE RESTAURANT, UH, TWO RESTAURANTS TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS THE DUCK CREEK CORRIDOR AND, UH, HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.

AND TO THE EAST IS THE CITY OF GARLAND TO THE EAST OF JUPITER ROAD.

SO THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS.

UM, LOOKING AT THE SITE, UM, GOING BACK TO THE AERIAL, YOU'LL SEE THAT, AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS SOME FRONTAGE ON JUPITER ROAD, BUT THAT AREA IS, UH, ENCUMBERED BY UTILITIES AND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL.

SO THEY'RE, UH, INSTEAD GOING TO BE ACCESSING THE SITE FROM A PRIVATE STREET, UH, ADJACENT TO THE SITE TO THE WEST.

SO THAT PRIVATE STREET IS ENTERED FROM THIS DRIVEWAY SHOWN ON THE LEFT PHOTO, UH, UNDER THE RED ARROW NEXT TO THE TACO BUENO.

UM, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THAT SITE, ONCE YOU ACCESS THAT PRIVATE STREET, YOU SEE THE SITE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, UM, ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE.

SO THESE PHOTOS SHOW THAT UNDEVELOPED TRACK LOOKING, UH, NORTH FROM THE CVS AND THEN LOOKING SOUTHWEST, UH, AT THE MILLWOOD CREEK CONDOS THAT WOULD ABUT SOME OF THESE TOWN HOMES.

SO THE SITE, UH, IS THREE ACRES, 36 TOWN HOME UNITS PROPOSED.

AND THIS IS 12 UNITS TO THE ACRE FOR DENSITY.

AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT THAT THERE ARE NINE BUILDINGS PROVIDING THESE 36 TOWN HOME UNITS, THERE'S PRIVATE STREETS THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THERE ARE FOUR FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND IN FRONT OF THE HOMES.

UH, IN ADDITION, THAT SIDEWALK SHOULD CONNECT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON JUPITER ROAD TO THE EAST.

UH, THE PRIVATE STREETS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVE THE REAR OF THE HOME SO THAT THEY, UH, HAVE ACCESS TO THE TWO CAR GARAGE AT THE REAR OF THE HOMES.

SOME OF THE UNITS ARE ORIENTED TO TOWARDS THE, UH, PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

UM, SOME OF THEM ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE SITE.

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UH, FOR THE BUFFER THAT IS AT LEAST EIGHT AND A HALF FEET, THERE WILL BE A CANOPY TREE, CANOPY TREE PLANTED FOR ONE FEET FOR EV FOR ONE TREE FOR EVERY 50 FEET.

THERE WILL BE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.

THAT WOODED FENCE WILL BE EXTENDED, UH, TO THEN GO BEHIND THE CVS PROPERTY SHOWN IN ORANGE HERE.

THERE WILL ALSO BE A SIX FOOT TALL NEW TUBULAR STEEL ORNAMENTAL STYLE FENCE, UH, ERECTED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE, UH, MILLWOOD CREEK CONDOS THAT ABUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, PARKING IS PROVIDED FOR VISITORS AT A RATE OF 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT.

SO THAT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS FOR A STANDARD TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.

AN HOA WILL BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL MAINTAIN THE PRIVATE STREETS, THE OPEN SPACE LOTS, INCLUDING THE VISITOR PARKING LOTS AND THE BUILDING EXTERIORS.

A TRIP A, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS PROVIDED THAT SHOWED THAT THERE WOULD BE LIMITED TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN THE AM.

DURING THE PEAK AM HOURS, THERE WILL BE 15 TRIPS GENERATED, AND IN THE AFTERNOON PEAK HOURS THERE WILL BE 19 TRIPS GENERATED.

I'M GONNA JUMP TO THIS SLIDE TO SHOW AND DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SITE ACCESS.

SO THERE IS A RED ARROW ON THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

ON THAT IS, UH, PROVIDES ACCESS FROM EAST BELTLINE ROAD.

THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BE WIDENED AND A MEDIAN WILL BE INSTALLED, A DIVIDING MEDIAN FOR INBOUND AND OUTBOUND TRAFFIC AT THAT DRIVEWAY.

SO THIS IS A PRIVATE STREET WHERE THIS EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS LOCATED.

UH, THIS IS A PRIVATE STREET THAT WAS, UH, UH, DEDICATED TO THE MILLWOOD CREEK CONDO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

UM, SO BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY POINT OF ENTRANCE TO THIS SUBJECT SITE, UM, THE SUBJECT SITE IS KIND OF TUCKED AWAY BACK BEHIND THE CVS.

THE DEVELOPER WORKED WITH THE, THE MILLWOOD CREEK CONDO ASSOCIATION TO GET ACCESS TO THIS PRIVATE STREET.

UM, GET AS LONG AS THE DEVELOPER PROVIDES A NEW VEHICULAR RESTRICTED GATE ON THIS PRIVATE STREET, UH, THAT GATE WILL BE LIMITED TO ACCESS BY MILLWOOD CREEK, UH, HOA GUESTS AND RESIDENCE.

SO THERE WILL BE ONE POINT OF ACCESS INTO THE SITE ITSELF, AND THAT'S AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE A NEW DRIVEWAY IN RED AND THAT IS UNRESTRICTED, A DRIVEWAY THAT IS NOT GATED.

ADDITIONALLY, THE EXISTING MEDIAN ALONG BELT LINE WILL BE MODIFIED SO THAT A PORTION OF IT IS CARVED OUT.

SO THERE IS, UM, SO THAT IT'S BETTER ALIGNED WITH THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

SO EASTBOUND TRAFFIC ON BELTLINE CAN MAKE A LEFT TURN TO TURN NORTH INTO THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT EXISTING EXISTING MEDIAN.

THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE TYPICAL TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS ZONING REQUIREMENTS ARE VERSUS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS ONE VARIES IN THAT THE LOTS ARE SLIGHTLY SMALLER AND, UH, LESS DEEP THAN TYPICAL LOTS.

THEY ARE ONLY 25 FEET DEEP.

UH, BUT THESE TOWNHOMES WILL BE THREE STORIES TALL, 45 FEET TALL.

UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED CONCEPTUAL FLOOR PLANS THAT SHOW, UH, SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT THREE STORY PRODUCT TYPE.

THEY ALSO PROVIDED CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS, UH, WHICH DISPLAY, UH, VARIOUS FEATURES LIKE PATIOS, BALCONIES, AND TRIPARTITE ARCHITECTURE.

AND THEY ALSO SHOW MASONRY STONE, UM, MASONRY AND STONE.

SO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS UPDATED THIS YEAR AS PART OF THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS PART OF THAT WAS UPDATED.

THIS SITE WAS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AS THE PLACE TYPE, UH, THAT PLACE TYPE ENVISIONS MIXED USE BUILDINGS, MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.

UM, THE ENVISION RICHARDSON PLAN ALSO IDENTIFIED MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PLACE TYPE.

AND THOSE HOUSING TYPES INCLUDED FOURPLEX MULTIPLEX LIVE WORK AND TOWN HOMES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.

SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, UH, FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS.

WE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN SUPPORT FROM THE MILLWOOD CONDOS, HOA, THAT YOU HAVE THERE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

SHOULD THE CPC ACCEPT THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING.

THE SUBJECT SITE SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN BUILDING ELEVATIONS

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AND PD STANDARDS.

THERE WILL BE A RESTRICTED ENTRY, UH, VE GATE ALONG THE PRIVATE STREET, AND THEN A SIDEWALK SHALL BE PROVIDED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND JUPITER ROAD.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

IS THERE A, IS THERE A, A, A TYPICAL STANDARD OF UNIT PER ACRE FOR TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS? WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE ZONING CODE.

WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE OTHER TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

SO I SHOULD SAY THE DENSITY ON THIS ONE WAS 12.

SO TYPICALLY YOU SEE 14, ANYWHERE FROM 14 TO 10, UM, IN THE MORE RECENT TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS, MR. ROBERTS ON THE, UM, TUBULAR, TUBULAR, I CAN'T EVEN SAY THE WORD TUBULAR METAL FENCE THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THE, UH, NORTHWESTERN CORNER.

THE NORTHWESTERN SIDE.

, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT IS, UM, THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY KIND OF A VISUAL SCREEN.

IT'S JUST, UH, A DEMARCATION.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THERE MAY BE SOME TREES PLANTED IN THAT BUFFER AREA AS WELL.

BUT THERE'S NO COMMITMENT TO A LINE OF SHRUBS OR ANY KIND OF I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

UM, THANK YOU.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE MILLWOOD CREEK ARE ACTUALLY CONDOS OR IF THEY'RE DUPLEXES OR THEY ARE CONDOS? WHAT ARE THEY? THEY ARE CONDO REGIME.

I KNOW IT'S A CONDO ASSOCIATION.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE FORMED, YEAH.

THEY HAVE IT SET UP LIKE A CONDO.

UM, BUT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE UNITS, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE? SO THEY'RE SINGLE STORY, THEY'RE ZONED AS APARTMENT.

I THINK THERE'S ONE, UH, TWO OR THREE UNITS TO A BUILDING.

UM, THERE, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY FROM THE, I'M PRETTY SURE NEIGHBORHOOD WE CAN ASK THERE.

, I'M NOT SURE.

I JUST COULDN'T TELL WHAT THE EXACTLY THEY WERE.

SO THERE'S SINGLE STORY.

THEY'RE DUPLEX STYLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD CALL THEM DUPLEXES.

UM, AND THERE'S ABOUT 38 KNOW THEY'RE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY OWNED OR WHETHER THEY'RE RENTED, BUT IF THEY'RE CONDOS, THEY'RE PROBABLY OWNED.

THEY'RE OWNED.

WAS THERE ANY, UH, REASON, UM, AGAIN, I'M JUST, I KNOW WE, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TUBULAR FENCE AS THE, AS THE DIVIDER BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MILLWOOD AND THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE AND NORTHWEST SIDE, BUT THE DIVIDER BETWEEN THE RETAIL AND THIS IS JUST THE SIX FOOT WOODEN FENCE.

AND THAT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S EXISTING, PART OF IT'S EXISTING TODAY.

SO IT'D JUST BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT.

THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.

UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DO YOU REALLY WANNA CONTINUE THAT OR HAVE SOMETHING, A MASONRY WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, WE HAD A CHANCE TO ASK STAFF QUESTIONS DURING THE, UH, BRIEFING SESSIONS.

ANY, ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER ROBERTS? NO, THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

WELL THEN WE'D ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.

MY NAME IS Q CAMS 1 7 8 4 WEST MCDERMOTT DRIVE, ALLEN, TEXAS.

UM, FIRST OFF, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US FOR MONTHS NOW, UM, SO THAT WE CAN BE HERE, UM, TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

UM, FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, UM, COUPLE OF, UM, CONCERNS THAT BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSIONERS EARLIER.

UM, FIRST THING IS THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, UH, THREE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS, UM, THAT YOU COULD ACCESS THE, UH, ACCESS THE, UH, MILLWOOD CREEK, UH, RESIDENCE RIGHT NOW.

AND, UM, AND I WOULD SAY THE, THE TWO WESTERN DRIVE DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE THE, WOULD BE USED THE MOST BY THE MILLWOOD CREEK.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT PROVIDE THE DI MOST DI ACCESS TO MOST OF THE CONDO UNITS.

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AND AS FAR AS THE EASTERN DRIVE, UM, I WAS, I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE, UM, GATE, UM, THERE WOULD BE LESS PEOPLE USING IT AS WELL FROM THE MILL MILLWOOD CREEK SITE.

THE REASON BEING, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PULL UP THE GATE AND WAIT FOR THE, AND THEN PUNCH IN THE CODE OR WAIT FOR THE GATE TO OPEN AND GET ON THEIR WAY.

UM, NOW, UH, EVEN WITHOUT A GATE, I MEAN THE, THE, I THINK THE ONLY RESIDENCE THAT GONNA BE USING THE MOST EASTERN DRIVEWAY WITHOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THOSE UNITS ALONG THE EAST SIDE, UH, THERE WILL BE THE MOST DIRECT ACCESS TO THE, TO THOSE RESIDENTS.

SO, UM, SO, AND OUR DRIVEWAY, I MEAN, OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL RELY MOSTLY ON THE EAST, EASTERN MOST DRIVE.

AND THEN WE ALSO PROVIDE THE SECOND EMERGENCY ACCESS AT THE NORTHEAST, UH, NORTHWEST, UM, CORNER OF OUR SITE.

SO, UM, BESIDE THAT, AND, UH, WE LIKE TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE FLOODPLAIN AS WELL.

AND WE HAVE FLOODPLAIN EASEMENT, UM, THAT RUNS ALONG THE EASTERN MOST, UH, EASTERN SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

UH, THERE'S THE DUCK CREEK AND, UH, WE ARE NOT BUILDING, UM, WITHIN THAT THIRD PLAN.

AND WE ARE ALSO WELL AWARE THAT WE NEED TO BE AT OR ABOVE, UH, TWO FOOT ABOVE THE BASE FOR ELEVATION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY FLOODING ISSUE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY, UM, PRESENTATION.

UM, I, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTION AND I HAVE .

OH YEAH, NO, THANK YOU.

I'M SURE WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU .

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, UM, I, I IMAGINE THERE'S PROBABLY RESIDENTS HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST OR WHATEVER, BUT DO YOU KNOW IF ALL THOSE CONDOMINIUMS, I'M ASSUMING THE CONDOMINIUMS, ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES OUTSIDE ARE ACTUALLY OWNED PROPERTIES? I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT RENTAL PROPERTIES.

CORRECT? DO YOU KNOW? OKAY.

IT MAY NOT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

UM, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

UH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU FELT YOU NEEDED TO GO THREE STORY VERSUS TWO STORY? 'CAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A, A CHANGE FROM WHAT THE BASE ZONING IS, UM, CORRECT.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, IT'S WITH, I WILL PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

SO THE BASE ZONING FOR TOWN HOMES DOES ALLOW FOR THREE STORIES, UM, 55 FEET TALL, UNLESS THEY ARE WITHIN 150 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THEN THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES, 40 FEET.

THE CONDOS ARE CONSIDERED APARTMENTS SO THAT THIS SITE WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THAT.

SO THE TOWN HOMES, THE TOWN HOME DISTRICT STANDARDS AND THE CODE ACTUALLY DO CALL FOR THREE STORIES.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

THAT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT MM-HMM.

UH, 'CAUSE THE WAY I THINK IT WAS GIVEN IN OUR PACKET THAT IT WAS DIVERTING AWAY FROM THE STANDARD, STANDARD TWO STORY 40 FEET.

AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WITHIN, THEY'RE NOT WITHIN 150 FEET, IS THAT THE YEAH, SINCE THEY ARE NOT WITHIN 150 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY.

NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY, THEN THEY CAN GO THREE STORIES HIGH.

THEY CAN GO TALLER.

IF THEY WERE WITHIN 150 FEET, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES OF 40 FEET MAXIMUM.

AND, UM, SEEMS LIKE A CLOSE CALL THAT BETWEEN THE, WELL, THE, THE, THE DISTINCTION I THINK SHE SAID IS THOSE ARE CONSIDERED APARTMENTS.

AH, OKAY.

HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE ON YOUR TEAM THAT YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, OR IS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THE HOA, UM, PRESIDENT IS HERE TODAY.

SO IT'S NOT THE DISTRICT, IT'S NOT SINGLE FAMILY RES.

UH, AND AS FAR AS THE, UM, TUBULAR METAL FENCE ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND WAS THAT, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU NEGOTIATED WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I WILL LEAVE IT TO? UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE ON THAT, BUT, UH, OH, I WAS, OKAY.

WELL, WE'LL ASK THEN, WE'LL LET THEM COME UP HERE IN A MINUTE.

BUT, UM, DO YOU

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UM, OKAY.

WELL, YEAH, WE'LL YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT, OR DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THEN IT CHANGED TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED NOW, OR HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN A TUBULAR STEEL FENCE? I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT, THAT WAY.

AND THEN, UM, WE PRESENTED TO THE O AS WELL, OR FOR VIEW, I BELIEVE.

AND, AND DURING YOUR D UH, NEGOTIATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT, WHAT OTHER MODIFICATIONS DID YOU MAKE BESIDES JUST THE GATE AND, UM, EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE DRIVEWAY? WERE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU MADE? UH, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, I THINK THEY CAME TO AN AGREEMENT ON CERTAIN THINGS THAT, UM, THAT WAS SPELLED OUT ON THE, UH, VOTING, UM, THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY PASSED THE VOTING.

UM, THERE'S MORE TO THAT, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE, I THINK THEY, THAT THEY WORD IN THAT AGREEMENT AS FAR AS CONTRIBUTION, UH, MADE TO THE HOA, UH, AND THINGS IN THAT NATURE.

SO S PAYMENTS HAVE YOU RESULTS? YES.

YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE'S MONETARY CONTRIBUTION, UH, TO HOA AS WELL AS, UH, MONTHLY MIN, UH, MONTHLY, UH, FEE AS WELL FOR AS PART OF MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD AND SUCH, SO.

YEAH, I I JUST DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THIS, UH, THIS, UM, CERTIFICATION OF VOTING RESULTS THAT INDICATED ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS TO THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT? FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S MOSTLY FINANCIAL AND SOME COVENANTS ABOUT THE DUMPSTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THERE, THERE WERE ANY OTHER DESIGN CHANGES MADE WITH THE PROJECT? YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK THEY REQUESTED ANY, UH, ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THAT WAS WHAT WE PROPOSED FROM THE BEGINNING AND, UH, YEAH.

AND, UH, SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, THESE UNITS ARE MEANT TO BE FOR SALE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE AN ANTICIPATED PRICE RANGE YET? UM, 400,000, 400 AND UP FOUR.

OH AND UP, UH, FOR ROUGHLY, IS IT A MINIMUM 2000 SQUARE FEET? YEAH, 1900.

1900 MINIMUM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, AFTER WE, UH, HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.

UH, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION, UH, TO THIS REQUEST.

UH, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A FEW, UM, WRITTEN, UH, CORRESPONDENCES, LOOKED LIKE WE HAD TWO IN OPPOSITION THAT WE'RE PRESENTED EARLIER.

ANY ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? MY NAME IS ALLEN.

I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU COULD JUST STEP UP THE MICROPHONE OR PULL THAT TO YOU A LITTLE BIT THERE.

MY NAME IS ALLEN AND I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I'M STILL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ALL TOGETHER.

AND WOULD WE JUST GET YOUR ADDRESS, STREET ADDRESS? SEVEN PARK PLACE.

AND WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF, OF THE APARTMENTS

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GOING UP THERE.

WE DON'T SEE WHERE THE TRAFFIC FOR ONE THING.

AND THERE IS A LONG LINE IN BELTLINE ALREADY AND THAT SECTION COMES ACROSS THE CROSS STREET IS GROVE WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM GROVE TURNING ONTO BELTLINE.

UM, I, I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT CASE.

THAT'S THE ONE AFTER THIS.

ALRIGHT THEN.

SO YOU CAN COME BACK.

YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, THIS IS JUST FOR THIS ONE CASE.

YEAH, THIS IS FOR THE DUCK CREEK TOWN HOMES.

HELLO.

HELLO, MY NAME IS ADELE ELGI.

I'M THE PRESIDENT FOR THE MILLWOOD CREEK HOA.

AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, THE, OUR COMPLEX IS A CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX.

THEY ARE, EACH UNIT THERE'S 114 UNITS AND 39 BUILDINGS.

EACH UNIT IS INDIVIDUALLY OWNED.

UM, THERE ARE SOME RENTALS, BUT THEY'RE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED.

UM, ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS? COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, YOU THE, UM, TUBE, THE OTHER METAL FENCE ON THE, UH, IT'LL BE THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE CONDOS, WESTERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR NEGOTIATION ABOUT THOSE NEGOTIATION REGARDING, UH, THE TYPE OF FENCE OR THE TYPE OF SCREENING OR, THERE IS A SIX FOOT, UM, IRON FENCE TO SEPARATE THE PROPERTIES SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE JUST DON'T DRONE INTO OUR COMPLEX AND THAT WAS WILL BUILD ACROSS ACCORDING TO THE NEGOTIATION WILL BE BUILT ACROSS THE WHOLE SECTION.

UM, AND IF I MAY ADD HERE, I'LL POINT YEAH, GO, GO AHEAD.

I'LL POINT IT OUT.

GO AHEAD.

THE ONLY STREET THAT'S ALLOWED, UH, RIGHT NOW IS JUST THIS STREET HERE.

THOSE ARE OUR ACCESS.

THIS IS THE ONLY STREET THAT'S ALLOWED TO GO TO DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WILL BE GATE UP HERE THAT THERE INITIALLY MAYBE SOMEBODY MAY JUST DRIVE BY MISTAKE AND GO THERE, BUT THEY CAN'T ACCESS IT.

EVENTUALLY THEY CAN'T GO THAT WAY.

AND, UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY ACCESS WE ALLOWED TO USE.

BEAUTIFICATION OF THEIR COMPLEX.

SO, UM, IN NEGOTIATING WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WERE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ASK FROM THE CON? THE HOA, OH, SORRY.

SPEAK FROM THE MIC AND THEN THIS IS A, UM, OH, OKAY.

SO IF YOU COULD, OKAY.

OKAY, SO I'LL, I'LL ASK AGAIN.

SO I SEE, YOU KNOW, I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT NEGOTIATING ON THE ROAD AND THAT, UM, I SEE IN THE NOTES THAT THERE WAS NEGOTIATION REGARDING THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION, YOU KNOW, TO THE HOA.

WERE THERE ANY OTHER NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING, UM, SHRUBS OR ANY KIND OF, OTHER THAN JUST THE TUBULAR IRON FENCE? UH, THE ONLY THING IS THE NEGOTIATIONS INCLUDE MAINTAINING THE GATE, UH, THE POST, THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GATE.

THEY'LL HAVE TO BUY INSURANCE IN CASE THE GATE OPENED AND DAMAGED THE CAR OR SOMETHING AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.

UM, NO SHRUBBERY OR ANYTHING THAT'S UP TO THEIR OKAY.

UM, MY LAST QUESTION, UH, THE HOA, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON STAFF AT THE HOA? HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON STAFF AT THE HOA? UH, THERE IS FIVE BOARD MEMBERS.

WE ARE VOLUNTEERS.

WE DON'T GET PAID.

UH, THERE'S NO STAFF BECAUSE THEY ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

WE, WE DID HIRE A BOOKKEEPING COMPANY TO DO, UH, THE BOOKKEEPING.

HEARD OR ANY FINAL THOUGHTS? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE, TO COME FORWARD? UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME AND ADDRESS ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST

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MR. CHAIRMAN.

MY NAME'S ANDREW HAWKINS.

I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR JC MAYFAIR INCORPORATED, THE APPLICANT HERE.

UM, I WANNA START OFF BY JUST SAYING THANK YOU FOR, UM, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE FEEL THAT IT'S A, IT IS A GREAT USE OF A SPACE THAT NEEDS A GOOD USE.

AND WE THINK THAT, UH, WITH THE HISTORY OF THIS COMPANY, UM, A PROMINENT, UH, DEVELOPER IN THE COLLIN, UH, COUNTY AREA, UM, THAT, UH, HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 35 YEARS, THAT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO REALLY WORK WITH THE CITY AND MAKE THIS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY.

UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT, UH, THAT, UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN WORKING WITH US TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYBODY GETS A FAIR SAY IN THIS.

UH, AND THE, UH, GATE THAT YOU SEE, I THINK I'M GONNA TRY AND USE THIS POINTER.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I DO SOMETHING HORRIBLE WITH THIS.

CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION AND HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT TOOK THIS MATTER UP INTERNALLY AND MET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND CAME TO AN AGREEMENT, UM, UH, AND VOTED WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OR NOT.

THIS GATE RIGHT HERE, UM, ACTUALLY IS UNDERGONE A COUPLE OF REVISIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE, UM, EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE STAFF, CITY STAFF WAS WORKING WITH US ON IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE IS, UM, REALLY GOOD ACCESS FOR FIRST RESPONDERS NEEDING TO GET INTO THE MILL CREEK DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THAT ROAD.

THAT THERE'S NO LIMIT TO ACCESS IT.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF, FOR EXAMPLE, ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE IT WAS A SLIDING GATE, UH, BUT THEN WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS, IS THEY'VE MADE IT TO WHERE IT'S, IT'S TWO ROTATING GATES.

ONE OPENS TO THE OUTSIDE, THE, TO FOR THE OUTBOUND TRAFFIC, AND THE OTHER OPENS TO THE INSIDE IN THE MIDDLE.

THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE A, A LITTLE COLUMN THERE TO SEPARATE THEM.

UM, AND, UH, THE, UH, RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO GO IN AND OUT OF THAT TO MILL CREEK.

UM, OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT NEED TO USE THAT.

UM, I KNOW THAT IN SOME OF THE WRITTEN, UM, OBJECTIONS, UH, THE TWO WRITTEN OBJECTIONS THAT I'M AWARE OF, UH, THE PEOPLE HAD SAID THAT THEY WERE RESIDENTS OF MILL CREEK AND THEY LIKED TO WALK AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC ENTERING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, ONCE EVERYBODY USES THAT ENTRANCE, THE ONLY ENTRANCE INTO, UM, OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THIS ROAD, THERE WILL BE NO TRAFFIC IN HERE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE OCCASIONAL LOST DRIVER LIKE MYSELF.

UM, BUT, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.

UH, AND, UH, WITH REGARD TO, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE FENCING, UM, UH, THE TUBULAR FENCING ALONG THIS BORDER HERE, AND, YOU KNOW, SIGHT LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UM, THE HOA AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO PUT IN SHRUBS OR WHATEVER, IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'VE, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE HOA THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? SURE.

UH, I MAKE A MOTION WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONER BEACH SECOND, UH, MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WELL, WE TALK A LOT, A LOT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, UH, DENSITY, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

UH, I THINK THIS SITE HAS ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS OF, YOU KNOW, BEING SORT OF IN THAT MIXED USE, MORE URBAN, MORE DENSE SORT OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

I, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD DO WITH THIS.

AND, UM, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE A LOWER DENSITY, COULD BE A LOWER HEIGHT COULD, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU'VE GOT A

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AND THEY, IT PASSED BY A MAJORITY.

IT WASN'T, YEAH, IT WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT BY ANY MEANS.

AT THE, BY MY COUNT, IT WAS ABOUT 55 TO 45%, SO IT WAS FAIRLY CLOSE VOTE.

UM, BUT, UM, THEY, THE, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION DID, UH, VOTE TO SUPPORT IT AND RETURN EXCHANGE FOR THE, UH, CONCESSIONS THEY'VE MADE ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, UH, AND THE GATE AND SO FORTH.

UM, PERSONALLY, I THINK THE, HAVING THE UNITS FACE OUTWARD, UH, TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS A PLUS.

UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT A VACANT FIELD ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A NICE NEW BRAND, NEW TOWN HOME.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S OPEN TO DUCK CREEK.

THERE WAS ORIGINALLY, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A WALL OR BARRIER THERE.

SO I THINK IN TERMS OF THE LINEAR PARK HAVING ACCESS TO THAT AND THE SIGHT LINES, UH, ACROSS THAT WAY, EVEN, UH, JUPITER AND THE CONNECTION TO THE SIDEWALK, I THINK THAT'S ALL A PLUS.

UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY AND, UM, YOU, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE REALLY THE RETAIL BEING IM IMPACTED OTHER THAN THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE CUSTOMERS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT GOING IN THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT, UH, I'M NOT A, A SUPER BIG FAN OF, OF, OF THE HEIGHT.

BUT I THINK THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOW VERIFIED THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED NOT SINGLE FAMILY.

IT, IT IS, IT IS ALLOWED.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN, UM, WAS JUST THE HEIGHT NEXT TO THE ONE STORY RESIDENTIAL.

AND, UH, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC'S AN ISSUE.

I AGREE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF OF CARS ON BELT LINE.

UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA SEE A SIGNAL THERE.

SO IT COULD BE AN ISSUE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF THE WAIT TIME, YOU KNOW, AS IF THERE'S TRYING TO GET OUT, PARTICULARLY IF, UM, TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN.

MM-HMM, JOE, I THINK, UH, I, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF USE, UH, I THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE BEST USE FOR IT.

I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT RETAIL, THAT'S A REALLY AWKWARD SPOT.

I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN GET IN ON THE EAST SIDE OF IT, AND THEN MOST OF YOUR RETAIL WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, UH, THAT THOSE OTHER RETAIL BUILDINGS, SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T EVEN SEE IT.

UH, SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY AWKWARD AND I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE WORSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK IF YOU LOOKED AT SOME SORT OF OFFICE USE, UM, THAT WOULD BE REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY THREE ACRES, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT AN OFFICE ON THERE, WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? 40,000 SQUARE FEET? WELL, TO MAKE YOUR MONEY WORK, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO PUT THREE OR FOUR STORIES ON IT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S BETTER.

UM, YOU COULD DO MAYBE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT THAT'S AWFUL AWKWARD.

THREE ACRES TO TRY TO PLOT OUT SOME HOMES.

I THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD USE.

I THINK IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR THE MISSING MIDDLE.

UH, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF, IT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES FOR ME.

SO, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, CHAIRMAN MARSH MENTIONED RELATED TO HEIGHT DIFFERENTIALS, ALL OF THOSE WERE ANSWERED IN MY MIND.

UM, ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED WITH THE HOA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, APPARENTLY NO OR VERY LITTLE WRITTEN OPPOSITION TO IT.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I ALSO KIND OF ALIGNED WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO AND THE COMMENTS HE MADE.

UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD WERE ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.

AND, UH, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH HERE ONLINE, A LITTLE INTERNET RESEARCH.

AND MAYBE WHAT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE ACCORDING TO, UH, WELL-RESEARCHED ARTICLES IS THAT PROPERTY VALUES FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

I KNOW THESE ARE NOT EXACTLY THAT, BUT ARE ACTUALLY ELEVATED WHEN THEY'RE IN PROXIMITY TO NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IF IT'S WELL DONE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT THAT KIND OF ALLAYS SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT GONNA DO TO THE PROPERTY VALUES NEARBY.

SO, AND I THINK THAT'S MAYBE COUNTERINTUITIVE.

MOST PEOPLE THINK, UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK,

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BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAYBE COUNTERINTUITIVE.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.

I THINK IT MIGHT, UH, VALUE.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL THEN OF, UH, ZONING FILE, UH, 24 DASH 28, UH, AS PRESENTED.

COMMISSIONER BEACH SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK.

ITEM OF THE AGENDA, UH, IS ITEM FIVE, ZONING FILE 24 DASH 24.

UH, LAST

[5. Zoning File 24-24 PD Planned Development - Valencia Villas: (Continued from November 19, 2024 Consider and act upon a request for approval to rezone approximately 4.08-acres located at 601 E. Main Street, north of E. Main Street, east of Grove Road, from R-1500-M Residential Temp District to PD Planned Development District for a townhome development with 38-units. Owner Jamy Properties LLC. Staff: Derica Peters.]

UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT VALENCIA VILLAS.

UH, THIS CONTINUED FROM, UH, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024.

MS. PETERS, THANK YOU.

SO ZONING FILE 24 24 WAS CONTINUED FROM, UH, THE NOVEMBER MEETING AND ORIGINALLY FROM THE, UH, ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3RD.

UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL R 1500 M TEMPORARY.

THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND WEST HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, TO THE EAST AS WELL.

AND THEN TO THE SOUTH, ACROSS MAIN STREET IS THE WATER WOOD VILLAS TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR 38 TOWNHOME UNITS.

THESE ARE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE TODAY.

UM, SO THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN THE SIXTIES WITH THE CHURCH, UH, HOWEVER THAT CHURCH WAS DEMOLISHED THIS PAST YEAR.

SO TODAY WHAT YOU SEE IN THESE PHOTOS IS, UM, THE TREES THAT REMAIN, UH, THE BUILDING WAS DEMOED AND NONE OF THE TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

SO THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM MAIN STREET AND LOOKING EAST FROM GROVE ROAD.

THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE SIX BUILDINGS WITH A TOTAL OF 38 TOWNHOME UNITS.

THIS IS, UH, PROVIDING A DENSITY AT 9.3 UNITS AN ACRE.

THERE WILL BE A NEW INTERNAL STREET SERVING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT RUNS EAST TO WEST CALLED VALENCIA DRIVE HERE, UH, SERVED BY TWO DRIVEWAYS, ONE ON THE EAST AND ONE ON THE WEST.

THERE WILL ALSO BE A 15 FOOT ALLEY.

UH, THERE WILL TWO BE TWO 15 FOOT ALLEYS THAT WILL SERVE THE REAR OF THE, UH, HOMES.

UH, THE UNITS WILL FACE INWARD TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS THE PRIVATE STREET IN THE CENTER.

AND THE REAR OF THE HOMES WILL HAVE THE, UH, A TWO CLO, A TWO CAR, UH, ENCLOSED GARAGE THAT'S ACCESSIBLE BY THAT ALLEY.

AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, THERE WILL BE A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WILL HAVE A SIX FOOT TALL ORNAMENTAL FENCE WITH BRICK COLUMNS, AS WELL AS SHRUBS PLANTED TO PROVIDE A LI LIVING SCREEN FOR VISUAL SCREENING.

UH, GUEST PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED ON SITE, UH, AT A RATE OF 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT.

AND THOSE ARE PROVIDED ALONGSIDE THE NEW PRIVATE STREET IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THERE IS, UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A TREE SURVEY.

SO THEY FOUND THAT THERE ARE 56 EXISTING MATURE LARGE OAK TREES ON THE, ON THE SITE.

UH, THEY DO INTEND TO PRESERVE SOME, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION ORDINANCE FOR TREES THAT ARE CONSIDERED PROTECTED.

IF THOSE ARE REMOVED, THEY MUST BE MITIGATED BY EITHER REPLACEMENT OR BY PAYMENT INTO OUR TREE MITIGATION FUND.

UH, OUR, UH, THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIED THE 22 TREES YOU SEE HERE ON THE PLAN AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE IN THAT 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

UH, THEY'VE SHOWN THE TREES THAT THEY INTEND TO, UH, PRESERVE ON THIS SITE.

THEY DID PROVIDE A TRIP GENERATION MEMO AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH SHOWED THAT THE, DURING PEAK HOURS THERE WILL BE 18 ADDITIONAL TRIPS GENERATED.

AND DURING THE PM HOURS, UH, DURING THE PM PEAK HOURS, THERE WILL BE 22 TRIPS GENERATED.

SO BASED ON THIS LIMITED TRAFFIC GENERATION AND BASED ON THE EXISTING STREET NETWORK AND WITH MAIN STREET BEING AN ARTERIAL, THERE WERE NO TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WARRANTED FOR THIS PLAN.

UM, SO, UH, THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED BY THE TWO NEW DRIVEWAYS I MENTIONED, UH, FOR, FOR TRAFFIC ACCESSING THE SITE FROM GROVE ROAD.

NORTHBOUND.

TRAFFIC ON GROVE ROAD CAN TURN INTO THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY AND SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD TURN ONTO TYLER STREET ON MAIN STREET.

EASTBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD TURN NORTH ONTO GROVE ROAD AT THE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION AND EAST, I'M SORRY, AND WESTBOUND TRAFFIC WILL TURN ONTO TYLER STREET TO ACCESS THE EASTERN DRIVEWAY.

THIS TABLE SHOWS A BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THE CURRENT ZONING, TYPICAL TOWN HOME ZONING AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES PROVIDE A LARGER UNIT SIZE THAN

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WHAT IS STANDARD AND TYPICALLY SEEN IN THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY'RE PROVIDING OR PROPOSING A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE AT 2000 SQUARE FEET AND A MINIMUM LAW AREA OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET.

UM, SO THESE ARE LARGER THAN THE TYPICAL TOWN HOME UNITS AND TYPICAL TOWN HOME LOTS.

UM, HOWEVER, THEY WILL ONLY BE TWO STORIES AND 30 FEET TALL.

SO THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT STATES WHEN, WHEN WITHIN 150 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT, THE STRUCTURES MUST BE 40 FEET TALL OR LESS, AND TWO STORIES.

SO HERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE TOWN HOMES TO BE 30 FEET TALL.

UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, IN THE TYPICAL STANDARD TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS 40 FEET TALL IS THE MAX, SAME FOUR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, TWO STORIES, 40 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM.

UM, ALSO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO BE ALLOWED SEVEN UNITS TO A BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO SIX.

THEY DID PROVIDE THESE ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT SHOW, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND AR ARTICULATION BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL.

IN LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED IN THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE THIS YEAR, THE SUBJECT SITE WAS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.

UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.

NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL IS ASSIGNED TO AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

THE INTENTION FOR THE CHARACTER ARE FOR, UH, HOMES IN THE SUBDIVISION, FOR HOMES TO BE DEVELOPED IN SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE EXISTING UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE.

AND THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE INCLUDE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BUNGALOW COURTS, DUPLEXES, AND TOWN HOMES.

AND THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE RECEIVED FOUR LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

ONE OF THOSE LETTERS REPRESENTS THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

AND ALSO DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3RD, WE HAD TWO PEOPLE SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

AND SHOULD THE CPC ACCEPT THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE UH, DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THE PD, UH, THE PD DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS WELL.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

JUST A QUESTION, I, I DIDN'T ASK THIS EARLIER, BUT VALENCIA DRIVE WOULD BE A PRIVATE STREET? THAT'S CORRECT.

IT WILL BE A PRIVATE STREET.

SO THE PRIVATE STREET, THE PRIVATE COMMON LAW AREAS WHERE THE PARKING SPACES ARE, AND THE OTHER COMMON LOTS AS FAR AS THE, WHERE THE IS LOCATED, THOSE WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA? YEAH.

THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. ROBERTS? YES.

UH, ON THE TREE PLAN FOR THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, I'M, I'M NOT SURE I HEARD WHETHER, UH, THERE WAS A CONTRIBUTION TO THE FUND OR HOW WAS THAT HANDLED? THERE? MOST LIKELY WILL BE FOR THOSE TREES.

THEY HAVE NOT CALCULATED IT BASED ON THIS, THIS, UH, THIS PLAN SHOWING WHAT THEY AIM TO PRESERVE.

BUT LOOKING AT ALL OF THE TREES ON THE LOT, IF THEY WERE TO MITIGATE ALL OF THEM INTO THE FUND, IT WOULD COST, UH, $250,000 APPROXIMATELY BASED ON THE TREES THAT ARE ON SITE RIGHT NOW.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ON, UM, THE PRIVATE STREET, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF IT IN THAT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING PROHIBITING, UH, ANYONE FROM DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OTHER THAN NO, THIS WILL BE UNRESTRICTED.

UH, WELL THEN WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I'M JIM DEWEY WITH JDJR ENGINEERS.

I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP WHAT'S PROPOSED IN FRONT OF YOU.

I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY OF OUR WORK WITH THE STAFF.

THERE'S EXISTING TOWNHOMES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET AND THINKING THAT THOSE HAD BEEN HERE, OUR FIRST SUBMITTAL, EARLY SUBMITTAL WAS SOMETHING SIMILAR.

FRONT ENTRY TOWNHOUSES, WE HAD 'EM FACING MAIN STREET AND TYLER STREET, YOU COULD HAVE.

AND THEN WE LOOKED AT AN ALLEY SITUATION DOWN THE MIDDLE AND WORKING WITH THE STAFF, THIS IS WHERE, THIS IS WHERE WE ENDED UP MOSTLY BY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

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AND AGAIN, THIS HAS A STREET DOWN THE MIDDLE.

THIS IS ALL REAR LOADED, SO WE HAVE AN ALLEY.

SO THE THERE YOU'LL SEE NO GARAGES FROM THE STREET.

THEY'LL ALL BE BACK BEHIND THE ALLEY OFF THE OFF THE REAR.

WE'VE DEDICATED A 10 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THESE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AS WELL AS AESTHETICS ALONG ALL OF THE STREETS.

FORTUNATELY, THE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ON HERE IN GREEN ARE ONES WE FEEL CONFIDENT WE CAN SAVE.

NOW SOMETIMES ENGINEERING ISSUES GRADING AND ALL CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES, BUT WE WILL COMPLY WITH ANY MITIGATION REQUIRED.

AND OF COURSE ANY NEW TREES WE PLANT, I THINK OFFSET THE MITIGATION.

I DOUBT WE'LL BE ABLE TO OFFSET ALL OF IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA FILL IN A BUNCH OF TREES IN THAT EXTERIOR OPEN SPACE WITH MORE TREES.

AND WE MAY GO WITH LARGER CALIPER TREES TO HELP WITH THE MITIGATION AND GIVE A LITTLE, INSTEAD OF HAVING REAL SMALL TREES OUT THERE, MAYBE GO WITH SOME FOUR INCH TREES, ET CETERA.

MAYBE EVEN SOME SIX INCH TREES.

BUT TO HELP WITH THE MITIGATION NUMBERS.

AND WE WANNA SAVE AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN.

THOSE TREES ARE A BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT.

UNFORTUNATELY, A A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE NICE TREES ARE IN THIS BUFFER.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND GO OVER THAT CHART THAT COMPARES WHAT THE ZONING, THE STRAIGHT ZONING REQUIRES VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

'CAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS.

ONE IS, WE KNEW THAT GOING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, 'CAUSE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY ON, WE HAVE TOWNHOUSES ACROSS THE STREET, BUT WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY BASICALLY WRAPPING AROUND THIS PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AND MAKE THIS AS NICE A PROJECT AS WE COULD.

SO WE'VE ENDED UP WITH AN ENCLAVE STYLE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S KIND OF TURNED INSIDE.

ALL THE TRAFFIC WILL BE INSIDE.

WE HAVE THE PROPOSED SCREENING.

THE SCREENING IS THE TUBULAR STEEL, USED TO BE CALLED WROUGHT IRON WITH BRICK COLUMNS.

AND WE'VE AGREED TO PUT SCREENING SHRUBS THAT WILL GET TO A HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.

AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY PREFERRED BY THE STAFF.

OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL WAS A MASONRY WALL AND STAFF PREFERRED STEEL BRICK COLUMNS.

AND THE SHRUBS WE'RE OKAY WITH EITHER.

THAT KIND OF CAME UP, I BELIEVE, AS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SCREENING.

UM, AND WITH A, AND THIS, YOU HAVE A STREET AND YOU HAVE THE COST OF THE ALLEYS, BUT THIS IS A MORE UPSCALE PRODUCT WITH NO, NO GARAGES VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

I'D LIKE TO, FIRST SHE WENT OVER THAT THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE IS 1300.

WE'VE AGREED TO 2000.

THAT'S A 53% INCREASE.

NOW MANY OF THESE WILL BE LARGER THAN 2000, BUT THE FOOTPRINTS WE HAVE, WE CAN GET UP TO 3000 MINUS THE GARAGE.

SO WE CAN EASILY GET TO 2,500.

AND SO I THINK SOME OF THEM WILL BE THAT LARGE.

THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IS INCREASED FROM A REQUIRED 17 50, 2500.

THAT'S A 43% INCREASE.

AGAIN, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO GO AS DENSE AS WE COULD TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.

WE WERE MINDFUL OF WHERE WE'RE AT HERE.

UH, THERE IS A MISTAKE IN THE MINIMUM LOCK DEPTH ON THIS CHART.

IT'S REQUIRED AT 70.

WE'RE PROVIDING A MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED.

IT SAYS 62, BUT ALL OF THESE ARE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FOOT DEEP.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKING 'CAUSE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PER UNIT PLUS 0.5 GUEST PARKING SPACES PER UNIT ARE REQUIRED.

WE HAVE DESIGNED THESE, SO EACH HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE, SO THAT'S OUR TWO OFF STREET SPACES.

WE INTENTIONALLY SET THE UNIT BACK FROM THE ALLEY THAT FAR TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL TWO SPACES FOR FOUR OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.

AND WE HAVE ONE, THERE'S ONE PER UNIT FOR GUEST PARKING, NOT 0.5 ALONG EACH SIDE OF THE STREET, NOT THAT 0.5, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING ONE PER UNIT FOR, FOR GUEST PARKING, BECAUSE THESE ARE GONNA BE, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE ELEVATIONS, THESE ARE, THESE ARE NOT STARTER TYPE TOWNHOUSES, LOWER END PROJECT.

THIS WILL BE A VERY NICE PROJECT WITH THE ANTICIPATED PER SQUARE FOOT COST WILL BE 2 25.

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THE MINIMUM HERE WILL BE FOUR 50 AND GO UP FROM THERE, DEPENDING ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE 2000 SQUARE FEET TIMES THE 2 25 ENDS UP AT THE FOUR 50.

AND THAT'S WHAT IS ANTICIPATED HERE AS A MINIMUM.

I KNOW, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO, TO WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

MATERIAL MAY LOWER THE VALUE OF THE CURRENT HOMES ON TYLER.

UM, SO I, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, UH, FROM ALL OF US OR A FEW OF US, UH, DURING THE BRIEFING SESSION AND WAS, UH, REVOLVED AROUND THE CONTINUANCE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT Y'ALL COULD WORK OUT.

UH, SO CAN YOU JUST SUMMARIZE YES.

I, THE, THE MEETINGS THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, HOW MANY REACHED OUT AND WHEN AND WHEN THESE OCCURRED, AND THEN, UM, ALSO WHAT WHAT CHANGES CAME OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS? OKAY.

WE STARTED REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN LATE SEPTEMBER.

THAT'S WHY WE POSTPONED THE ONE IN OCTOBER.

WE JUST HADN'T MET WITH 'EM YET.

WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET.

WE JUST, WE WERE WILLING TO DO ZOOM CALLS, WHATEVER, WE COULDN'T GET A MEETING.

AND THEN THEY HAD ONE OF THEIR YEARLY MEETINGS OR BIANNUAL MEETINGS.

THEY ALLOWED US SOME TIME ON THAT MEETING.

UH, THAT OCCURRED LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO.

IT HAPPENED AT A LOCAL RESTAURANT WITH A BAR.

UM, IT WAS VERY LOUD IN THERE.

AND SO HE REALLY COULDN'T MAKE A PRESENTATION.

WE SET UP A TABLE WITH OUR DOCUMENTS AND ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAD AND COME UP, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TALK WITH EVERYBODY.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I GOT A LOT OF VARIED, VARIED RESPONSES.

I PROBABLY TALKED TO EIGHT TO 10 COUPLES IN THE ALLOTTED TIME.

WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY OR THEY SAID POSITIVE THINGS.

THE OTHER NEIGHBORS ALL HAD BURIED RESPONSES.

SOME DIDN'T LIKE THE LAYOUT, THOUGHT THEY SHOULD FACE THE STREET.

SOME DIDN'T LIKE THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE.

THEY PREFER MASONRY.

SOME LIKED THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE.

AND THEN A LITTLE OVER HALF OF 'EM WERE CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY.

THAT SEEMED TO BE ONE OF THEIR MAIN CONCERNS.

AND I WANT TO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE INFIELD DEVELOPMENTS CAN BE DIFFICULT.

WE HAVE NOT REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

WE CAME BEFORE YOU, WE ARE WILLING TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM IF YOU THINK THIS PROJECT IS NOT DESIGNED, IF YOU CANNOT SUPPORT THIS DESIGN.

AGAIN, WE, WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND WORKING WITH THE STAFF.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A REALLY, REALLY THOUGHTFUL DESIGN.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY GO OVER MANY OF THEIR, THEIR ITEMS THEY PUT IN THEIR LETTER.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF VARIED ONES.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER GET TO A CONSENSUS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ABOUT, THERE WAS SO MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY.

THE HEIGHT GIVEN FOR THE TOWNHOUSE IS TOO TALL.

AGAIN, WE WERE ALLOWED BY RIGHT OR IN THE TOWNHOUSE WE'RE ALLOWED UP TO 40 FEET.

WE REDUCED THAT TO 30 FEET GOING IN.

THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CHANGED AFTER MEETING WITH THEM.

THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD IN OUR INITIAL DESIGN TO KEEP THEM FROM LOOKING MUCH TALLER THAN, THAN THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SEE HERE'S ONE OF THE IRON GATE I THINK THEY'RE REFERRING TO.

THE FENCE WILL ALLOW FOR UNSIGHTLY VIEWS OF THE BACK OF THE TOWN HOMES.

THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION THAT THE STAFF HAD.

WE'VE AGREED TO SCREENING SHRUBS.

AGAIN, WE CAN AGREE WE CAN SWITCH THAT TO A MASONRY SCREENING WALL IF THE COMMISSIONERS FEELS THAT THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE.

UM, OF COURSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES, BUT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENTRANCES OFF OF MAIN STREET.

MAIN STREET'S EXTREMELY BUSY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LIMITED TO THE PRIVATE STREET RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING.

I JUST WENT THROUGH.

WE'RE PROVIDING DOUBLE THE REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING PER UNIT PLUS DOUBLE THE REQUIRED OFF STREET GUEST PARKING PER UNIT.

AND THEN TOWN HOMES EVEN DONE IT WITH HIGH END BUILDING

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WE HAVE DONE RESEARCH AND WE BELIEVE THAT IF ANYTHING, IT MAY HELP THEIR VALUES.

THOSE ARE OLDER HOMES.

THEY'RE VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE, IT HAS ANY CHANCE OF LOWERING THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTIES.

WE WILL HAVE A HOA THAT MAINTAINS ALL THE OPEN SPACE, ALL THE LANDSCAPING.

THESE ARE VERY POPULAR FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT BIG YARDS.

ALL THE LANDSCAPING FRONT BACK, ALL OF IT'S TAKEN CARE OF AS PART OF THE HOA RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE TREES.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE TREES.

WE WANTED TO KEEP AS MANY AS WE COULD.

WE THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN SAVING AS MANY AS WE CAN, AND WE'RE GONNA PLANT FAR MORE, UH, WHEN WE COME IN WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

BUT WE HAVE NOT, THE, THE MEETING JUST, IT WAS UNFORTUNATE IT WAS HELD AT THAT PLACE.

IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THEM AS A GROUP.

IT WAS BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION.

I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THEY ALLOWED US 30 MINUTES BEFORE THEIR MEETING START.

AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT UNTIL ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES BEFORE THE END.

AND THEN I TRIED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, BUT, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM AGAIN.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE NOT, WE FEEL LIKE WE PRESENTED A VERY GOOD PLAN THAT REALLY ADDRESSES A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS.

SO WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

HAS THERE BEEN A HARD LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? UM, WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.

AND I GUESS I'M CLARIFYING WHAT YOU'RE WELL IS A WATER RUNOFF, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE WORKED THAT ALL OF THOSE ENGINEERING DETAILS WILL COME UP AT CLADDING AND WHEN WE DO THE PLANS AND WE'LL BE CONFORMING TO, WE DO KNOW THAT WATER AND SEWER AND DRAINAGE, I BELIEVE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IN THE STREET.

SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE.

WELL, BUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS FOR THE STAFF HAD REVIEWED THIS AND THERE WAS NO COMMENTS TO THAT.

AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SUFFICIENT? SUFFICIENT? RIGHT.

AS HE MENTIONED, SHOULD THE ZONING BE APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED WHEN WE GET FULL CIVIL PLANS AND WE'D MAKE SURE IT WOULD MEET ALL CITY STANDARDS.

UM, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION OF MINE.

ON YOUR FOLIAGE AND ALL THAT, ARE YOU LOOKING AT ANY KIND OF, UM, INDIGENOUS PLANTS TO REDUCE WATER USE, TO REDUCE LAWN AND MOWING, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? ARE YOU LOOKING AT ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO, ALWAYS IN NEW, ALWAYS IN MODERN LANDSCAPE DESIGNS, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR LOW MAINTENANCE AND LOW WATER USE AND THE TREES AS WELL AS ANY SHRUBS OR ORNAMENTALS.

SO YES, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PLAN.

IT, IT WORKS PRETTY WELL.

I I JUST HAD A, UM, GO AHEAD, JOE.

OH, SURE.

TH THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER MARSH.

SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND I WANT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.

UM, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY STEERED YOU AWAY FROM MASONRY? I DON'T KNOW.

, UH, IT WAS SAM CHAVEZ THAT WE HAD STARTED WORKING WITH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HE RETIRED.

UM, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE THE STAFF CAN ANSWER IT.

YEAH, WE'RE OKAY WITH EITHER ONE.

WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE A MASONRY WALL BETWEEN THE TWO, BETWEEN TWO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

AND WE WERE THINKING THE ROD IRON WOULD PROVIDE SOME KIND OF SOFTER WAY TO INTEGRATE IT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HERE'S MY QUESTION FOR YOU.

AND ONE OF YOU PROBABLY KNOWS THIS ALONG MAIN STREET, WHAT IS THE SOUTH, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT BORDER BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAIN STREET? IS THAT WOODEN FENCES? IS THAT MASONRY WALL? IS THAT WHAT IS, DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THAT IS? BRICK.

IT'S BRICK.

SO I WOULD TWEAK THIS TO MAKE THAT LOOK THE SAME.

UH, SO THAT IT WAS BRICK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, JUST SO THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG MAIN STREET, IT'S ALL CONTINUOUS BRICK.

IT ALL LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, UH, I THINK THAT'S, UH, I LIVE, UM, IN CANYON CREEK AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE KIND OF A LITTLE SET IN JUST LIKE THIS.

IT'S ON CUSTER, IT'S OFF CUSTER UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.

AND

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BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY, I WOULD DEFINITELY USE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MIMIC THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT SOUTH FACING MASONARY WALL.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S JUST PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A BETTER LOOK.

AND THEN I HAD JUST TWO OR THREE LITTLE QUESTIONS.

WHERE'S YOUR, WHERE'S YOUR DUMPSTER? WHERE'S YOUR LIKE MAIL, WHERE'S ALL THAT GONNA BE IN THIS PLAN? UH, THERE IS NO DUMPSTER.

EACH ONE WILL HAVE INDIVIDUAL PICKUP.

THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR TOWNHOME.

THESE WILL BE OWNED UNITS.

AND THEN THE, UH, AND THEN MAIL WOULD BE THE SAME.

MAIL WOULD BE THE SAME OR WOULD BE A BOX? YES.

WELL, MAYBE WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE I, I KNOW THEY NORMALLY PUSH THAT.

JUST WE CAN FIND A SPOT FOR A BOX.

UM, IF IT'S REQUIRED BY THE POST OFFICE.

YOU SEE THOSE? WE HAVE FOUR LANDSCAPED ISLANDS INTERIOR BETWEEN THOSE.

YEAH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD SPOT.

FOR ONE OF THEM.

AND THEN THE ONLY YOU HAVE THIS LIKE, YOU'RE TOO CLOSE ON THE SIDES, BUT IT'S JUST THOSE FIVE FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? BETWEEN, IT'S NOT LIKE BETWEEN THE EXTERIOR, IT'S JUST WITHIN THE INTERIOR.

THEY'RE TOO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER ACCORDING TO CODE.

I'M NOT SURE.

10 FEET BETWEEN, WE HAVE 10 FEET BETWEEN BUILDINGS.

OH, DO YOU? MM-HMM.

IT'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THERE'S 10 FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDING.

OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT ACCESS FOR ANY KIND OF ISSUE.

THAT MIGHT COME UP.

AND THEN ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT, UM, I GUESS, I GUESS THERE'S NO REAL CONCERN THERE.

'CAUSE VALENCIA DRIVES SO SHORT ABOUT SPEED OR ANYBODY LIKE SPEEDING THROUGH THERE OR CUTTING THROUGH THERE KIND OF FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M THINKING MOSTLY STUPID KIDS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REAL ISSUE THERE OR NOT.

UM, BUT IS THAT IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT KIND OF THING? EACH DEVELOPMENT IS DIFFERENT AND EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN, OWN ISSUES.

UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC BOTH ON MAIN AND GROVE , ESPECIALLY MAIN STREET.

SO I DON'T REALLY SEE WHY THEY WOULD CUT THROUGH.

UM, DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT IF THEY, IF THEY WOULD CUT THROUGH, THEY MAY BE CUTTING THROUGH ALREADY ON TYLER.

UM, BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT THIS HAS ON THE RESIDENTS ON TYLER, LIKE I SAID, AND EXCUSE ME, AND ABOUT THE MASONRY FENCE ALONG MAIN STREET.

WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT.

WOULD YOU PREFER MASONRY AROUND THE WHOLE THING OR KEEP THE ROD IRON THE LIVING SCREEN? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE.

I'M, I'M KIND OF IN THE BUSINESS OF GIVING OPINIONS.

I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD AFFECT MY VIEW OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BUT I THINK ALONG THE SOUTH JUST MATCH WHAT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES.

THE TOP OF MASONRY WALL THAT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER AND OWNER HAS BUILT A LOT OF TOWNHOUSE PROJECTS AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS AND MANY OF THE AREAS IN THE METROPLEX.

AND THEY PREFER TO USE A MASONRY WALL THAT'S NOT BRICK.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO BRICK, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY BIG UPGRADE FROM A THIN WALL, BRICK WALL.

IT IS A PRECAST CONCRETE WALL, BUT IT'S FIVE INCHES THICK.

IT'S VERY SUSTAINABLE, NOT THE LITTLE PANELS.

AND YOU GET IT IN A STONE PATTERN AND IT'S MO IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

WE CAN PRESENT PICTURES.

IF BRICK IS PREFERRED, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT I THINK THE OTHER WALL IS ACTUALLY AN UPGRADE.

IT'S A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S SUSTAINABLE.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THERE.

I I THINK THE CONCERN THE STAFF HAS IS JUST THAT YOU WALK OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR AND YOU'RE STARING AT A WALL WHERE A FENCE MIGHT GIVE THE ILLUSION OF MORE DEPTH.

I THINK THAT, WELL, THE WALL WILL BE SET BACK BEHIND THAT GREEN SPACE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S, I I GET IT.

I, I GET IT.

I'M JUST NOT, I'M NOT JUST REALLY, I'M NOT REAL PASSIONATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT, ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PART OF IT.

MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE HAS AN OPINION HERE.

I HAVE A FOLLOW ON QUESTION, NOT ABOUT THE WALL , BUT, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MEDIAN PRICE POINT THAT YOU GUYS WERE SHOOTING FOR.

IS THERE ANY CREATIVE FINANCING FOR ACQUISITION THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONTEMPLATING? NO.

IT SAYS THE MINIMUM LOT DEPTH IS 62 FEET.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CHECK, UH, THE EXHIBIT D AS IN DOG.

UH, IT'S ATTACHED IN OUR PACKET.

UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY.

IN, IN THERE

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I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WRITTEN BY STAFF OR IF THAT WAS WRITTEN BY YOU.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS WRITTEN TO, TO MATCH THAT.

SO IF THAT'S NOT 62 FEET, IT SHOULD BE A HUNDRED FEET, IT SHOULD BE A HUNDRED FEET.

WE CAN CORRECT THAT.

THAT'S MY MISTAKE.

ON THE FACE OF THE CONCEPT PLANT, IT SAYS A HUNDRED FEET.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S MM-HMM.

DO YOU WANT, MOST OF THEM ARE, YOU'RE GOOD WITH A HUNDRED FEET.

MOST OF 'EM ARE 105 ACTUALLY, BUT WE GAVE OURSELVES A LITTLE RIGHT.

I KNOW.

BUT THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE STANDARDS YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TO MEET.

SO, RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE SAYING A HUNDRED FEET, THEY'RE A HUNDRED FEET, YOU NEED TO BE SURE THAT THAT'S RIGHT.

THEY'RE A HUNDRED FEET.

UM, OKAY.

DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO MODIFY THE VISITOR PARKING, UM, FROM A HALF PARKING SPACE PER UNIT TO ONE? WE HAVE ONE SHOWN.

IT'S SHOWN TO BE WE CAN, IF IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WE CAN CERTAINLY AGREE TO THAT.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD.

I KNOW IT'S MORE THAN THAT ACTUALLY, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT DRIVEWAY PARKING.

BUT I'M, BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY COUNTING THAT.

UM, BUT AT LEAST FOR THE ON STREET, UH, WHAT I SEE THERE IS YOU'VE GOT ONE PER UNIT.

IS THAT YEAH, ONE IS THAT WE HAVE ONE PER UNIT.

IT, I, IT, IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO TELL BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE GREEN MEDIANS.

UH, WELL, WE WANTED TO HAVE PLACES ALONG THE STREET, UHHUH TO HAVE SOME TREES IN ADDITION TO, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME ORNAMENTALS.

THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY 10 FEET, ROUGHLY 10 FEET BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE FRONT OF THE UNIT.

SO YOU CAN'T PLANT BIG TREES THERE.

BUT IN THOSE, IN THOSE FOUR ISLANDS, IN BETWEEN THE GUEST PARKING BASE IS WHERE WE WANT TO PLANT SOME NICE TREES, BIGGER TREES.

IT'S JUST, I I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE YOU END UP WITH, UH, 30 38.

38.

WELL, PARKING SPACE THERE.

WELL, THE SIX UNIT BUILDINGS ARE ON BOTH ENDS AND THERE'S SIX PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THEM.

SEVEN UNIT BUILDINGS ARE IN THE MIDDLE, AND WE SHOW SEVEN SPACES THERE.

I MEAN, WE COULD GET, GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND ADD SOME MORE ISLANDS FOR TREES IF, UM, WOULD STILL COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM.

BUT WE THINK HAVING MORE THAN 0.5 PER UNIT IS NOT, IS, IS A GOOD THING.

SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY OR, AND TRY TO KEEP 'EM FROM PARKING ON TYLER AS WELL.

THAT WAS ONE THING THE STAFF REALLY ENCOURAGED IS US TRY TO NOT HAVE PARKING ON TYLER STREET.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, UM, OKAY.

UH, SO JUST, UM, MAYBE, UM, AND THIS IS MAYBE FOR BOTH OF YOU, THAT'S YOU AND THE STAFF ABOUT, AGAIN, THE ORIENTATION OF THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS.

UM, SO I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH HAVING THE FRONTS ON BELTLINE IS THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY ACCESS 'EM WITHOUT WALKING ALONG.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY WALK UP TO YOUR FRONT DOOR EASILY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

NO.

AND IN THAT TYPE OF DESIGN, WE WOULD HAVE GUEST PARKING IN THE REAR OF THOSE.

YOU WOULD THEN LOSE THAT DRIVEWAY PARKING IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT.

SO INSTEAD OF IN THE FRONT.

SO MANY.

BUT THAT, THAT WAS REALLY THE ISSUE.

A HANDFUL, A HANDFUL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THOUGHT FRONTING ONTO THE STREETS WOULD LOOK BETTER.

BUT I DID EXPLAIN THAT GUEST PARKING WAS AN ISSUE AND THE, AND THE STAFF WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE, ON THE HOUSES, ON THE CROSS TYLER STREET.

SO I DO THINK THIS MINIMIZES, WELL, IT WOULD PROBABLY FORCE YOU TO LIKE, ALMOST CREATE, INSTEAD OF AN ALLEYWAY AROUND, YOU'D ALMOST HAVE A, HAVE TO HAVE A STREET WIDTH ALL THE WAY AROUND.

AND SO YOUR LOT SIZES WOULD PROBABLY SHRINK.

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AND I THINK, I THINK OVERALL THIS IS A MUCH SMARTER PLAN AND THE STAFF GIVE THEM A LOT OF CREDIT FOR GUIDING US IN THIS DIRECTION.

MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER HAS COMPLETED ARE FRONT ENTRY TOWN HOMES 'CAUSE IT, BUT THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER AN UPGRADE.

IT WILL LOOK A LOT NICER FROM THE STREET.

THERE ARE NO GARAGE DOORS.

IT'LL, HAVE YOU SAW THE ELEVATIONS? I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA DO VERY HIGH-END ELEVATIONS.

I MEAN, IT IS GONNA LOOK REALLY NICE.

DID YOU EVER LOOK AT A CONCEPT THAT WAS, UH, EAST WEST FACING? WELL, THE CITY STAFF DID NOT WANT US TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF ACCESS ONTO MAIN STREET.

WHICH I AGREE WITH.

SO TO DO THE EAST WEST FACING, WE WOULD NEED A STREET OR TWO OR SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT WORK.

WELL, YOU COULD HAVE DONE, UH, MORE OR LESS LIKE YOU HAVE NOW WITH A, A DRIVEWAY JUST KIND OF ORIENTED, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT CENTRAL DRIVE KIND OF GO EITHER NORTH OR SOUTH INTO LIKE A SORT OF A DEAD END, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

UH, THAT, THAT PROBABLY BE EVEN, PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET AS MANY UNITS ON THERE.

WELL, I'M NOT SURE.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT UNTIL WE DRAW IT UP.

BUT THAT WASN'T, AGAIN, THIS WAS, IT WAS NEVER LOOKED AT REALLY.

NEVER LOOKED AT.

'CAUSE WE DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T WANT CONNECTIONS ON TYLER REALLY EITHER FOR SOME KIND OF STREET ACCESS TO RUN THE STREET NORTH AND SOUTH.

SO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU.

, UH, MR. DOOLEY, AND WE'LL, WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP.

WE WILL CALL YOU BACK UP AFTER WE GET THROUGH WITH THE I WOULD LIKE TIME TO REBUT IF THERE'S YEAH.

SPEAKERS.

YOU BET.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR PATIENTLY WAITING.

UH, I'M SORRY IT'S BEEN A LONG MEETING.

WE HAD A LOT GOING ON TONIGHT.

UM, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WE JUST ASK, UH, ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, UH, TO COME FORWARD.

UH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY INTERESTED IN HEARING EVERYONE'S COMMENTS, RIGHT? ONE THIS TIME.

GROVE AND BELT WINE, EXCUSE ME.

THERE'S A DEAD END AT THE END OF THE APARTMENT, SO YOU CAN'T PUT ANY PLACE ELSE.

WE ALREADY, WHEN WE COME DOWN GROVE AND YOU'RE THE RIGHT TIME, TIME OF THE DAY IN THE EVENING WHEN YOU'RE READY TO GO HOME, THE LINE TRAFFIC LINE GOING INTO BELT LINE IS THREE BLOCKS LONG.

WHEN YOU ARE IN LINE TO COME OFF OF GROVE TO COME ONTO BELTLINE AND IT'S SOCCER SEASON, THE TRAFFIC IS LINED UP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ALREADY.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT.

THE NEXT THING IS, THERE ARE ONLY ONE STORY HOMES ON IN THAT AREA.

TWO STORIES IS GOING TO BE, TO ME, LOOK WEIRD, AND WE JUST DO NOT WANT THE APARTMENTS THERE SLASH TOWN HOMES.

I DON'T KNOW WHY BOWER WASN'T THOUGHT OF.

THERE'S A VACANT LOT THERE AND IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR APARTMENTS.

I GUESS THAT'S ALL I, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM.

AND YOU GOT HER NAME EARLIER, RIGHT? YEAH.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S RICHARD ALINI.

I HAVE MY LITTLE CARD I'LL GIVE TO YOU IN A SECOND.

A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I WAS HERE ON THE WHATEVER IT WAS, TWO SCHEDULED, UH, MEETINGS AGO.

AND I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT OF, AND ALONG WITH OTHERS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I LIVE IN, UM, CAME UP WITH.

UH, BUT WE HAD NOT BEEN APPROACHED BY THE BUILDER, THE ENGINEER, OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER.

UH, WE'RE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE, UH, TOWN HOMES ACROSS BELTLINE FROM THIS

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AREA.

AND, UM, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, UH, OF THIS DESIGN, IT LACKS GREEN SPACE.

UH, THE TREES WERE AN ISSUE.

I HEARD THE TREES MENTIONED A NUMBER OF TIMES.

WE ALL LIKE TREES AND MOST OF THOSE TREES ARE OLD AND PRETTY SOLID.

AND I'M SURE FROM THIS DESIGN, A LOT OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE, UH, REMOVED.

UM, IT ALSO BRINGS US TO THE QUESTION OF RUNOFF, WHICH, UH, I HEARD, UH, ASKED A LITTLE BIT AGO.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE TAKING ALL THIS, UH, GROUND WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, RAIN OR WHATEVER, UH, SOAKS IN, IT'S ALL GONNA RUN OFF INTO THE STREET, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME WHATEVER, HOW THAT STREET IS DESIGNED, BELT LINE AND GROVE, UH, WHERE THE RUNOFF WILL RUN NICELY DOWN THE EDGE OF THE STREET WITHOUT IMPACTING THE TRAFFIC.

UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE THIS EXCESS RUNOFF GOING IN THERE, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, FLOODING ON THE STREET.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET, WHICH WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED AS WELL, UH, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE RUSH HOURS, UH, EARLY IN THE DAY AND, UH, LATE IN THE AFTERNOON AND INTO THE EVENING.

UM, AND I THINK, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC CAN RUN LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET EASILY, UH, IN ANY OF THE DIRECTIONS.

ALSO, THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE, UH, PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THIS, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT.

AND THERE'S ALREADY PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO AVOID THE TRAFFIC THAT BUILDS UP ON BELT LINE, THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, GO AROUND.

AND WE ALSO ARE CONCERNED WITH PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH, UM, OUR TOWN HOME AREA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES FOR AN EASY, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE GET OFF OF GROVE CUT THROUGH THIS AREA AND YOU CAN GO ON BELT LINE, YOU SKIP THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT ENDS VERY NOISY TOO.

I WOULD IMAGINE THIS PROJECT'S GONNA TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, SO THAT THE NOISE, THE DIRT, UH, THE TRAFFIC, THE ROAD BLOCKAGES THAT ARE GONNA OCCUR DURING THE CONSTRUCTION CYCLE, UH, THAT THIS GOES THROUGH, UM, MY TIME HAS EXPIRED.

I DIDN'T KNOW I COULD TALK THAT LONG, BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S SORT OF ALL I HAVE.

UH, AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED PROPERTY VALUES GOING UP, THAT'S GREAT IF YOU'RE GONNA SELL YOUR HOUSE, BUT IF YOU'RE STAYING THERE, THAT MEANS THE TAXES GO UP.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I SHOULD HAVE HER, I SHOULD HAVE WRITE DOWN ONE.

OH, ARE YOU, UM, JARED? YES.

NEXT TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M JARON BRAND.

I LIVE AT 6 1 7 LASALLE.

IT'S JUST A FEW STREETS NORTH OF, UH, THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

I'M ALSO THE COMMUNICATIONS CHAIR FOR THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS GRATEFUL TO THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROPERTY FOR SHARING WITH US THEIR PROPOSAL.

LONG BEFORE THE MEETING TONIGHT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS PLAN WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND HEAR THEIR FEEDBACK.

THE LOSS OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS NO SMALL THING FOR MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT IS AT IS AS IT HAS BEEN A STAPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

SO THE EXTRA TIME TO PROCESS AND CONSIDER THE FUTURE IS MUCH APPRECIATED.

WITH THAT SAID, WE DID HEAR BACK FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THE PROPOSED EDITION OF 38 TOWN HOMES AND WE TOOK THOSE COMMENTS, SHARED THEM WITH THE DEVELOPER, AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE A SUMMARY OF THOSE.

NOW, THE MAIN CONCERNS ALMOST ALL REVOLVE AROUND DENSITY OR THE AMOUNT OF FAMILY UNITS THAT WOULD BE MOVING IN.

TRAFFIC AS YOU, AS YOU HEARD, IS ALREADY PRETTY BAD AT THAT INTERSECTION DURING NORMAL RUSH HOURS.

AND ADDING THAT MANY HOMES RIGHT ON THE CORNER WOULD MOST LIKELY MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE.

ENTERING AND EXITING THE DEVELOPMENT AND TYLER STREET WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT DUE TO FOUR STRIKE TURNS AND VEHICLE BACKUPS AT THE LIGHT, UH, SOUTHBOUND, UH, TRAFFIC ON GROVE, HAVING TO TURN ONTO TYLER TO GET TO THAT, UH, EAST ENTRANCE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

DEPENDING ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING, UH, IS GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE FOR THOSE THAT LIVE ON TYLER.

UM, THAT PART ALSO ADDITIONAL CARS, UM, THAT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY A PARK ON THE STREET TYPE PLACE.

I LIVE THERE.

UH, WHAT WILL 38 TOWN HOMES DO TO THE ALREADY CROWDED TYLER STREET? OUR NEIGHBORS ARE WORRIED.

THERE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR THAT MANY NEW FAMILIES.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR NEIGHBORS WANT TO PROTECT AS MUCH OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF THAT PROPERTY AS POSSIBLE.

THE PROPOSED PLAN DOES ATTEMPT TO SAVE THE TREES ON THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS APPRECIATED.

BUT THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE GOBBLES UP ALMOST ALL THE GREEN SPACE IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE UNITS.

I HAVE PERSONALLY TALKED TO SEVERAL OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE ON TYLER STREET

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WHAT THEY TOLD ME IN PERSON LINES UP WITH WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE.

BUT EVEN IF IT DIDN'T, I PERSONALLY CARE MORE ABOUT THESE NEIGHBORS ON TYLER STREET, WHAT THEY THINK THAN I DO ABOUT MY OPINIONS OR THOSE THAT LIVE EVEN FURTHER AWAY.

I KNOW THE HTNA BOARD WOULD AGREE WITH ME, AND I HOPE YOU WILL TOO.

THE RESIDENTS OF TYLER STREET WANTS YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT AGAINST ADDITIONAL HOUSING.

THEY SEE THE NEED FOR IT.

RIGHT NOW.

WHAT THEY ARE AGAINST IS THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF HOUSING AND THE HIGH DENSITY OF THE PROPOSAL.

TYLER STREET HAS 16 HOUSES ON IT.

YOU CAN COUNT OVER THERE.

THE 38 TOWN HOMES WOULD OUTNUMBER THEM MORE THAN TWO TO ONE IN A WAY UNSEEN IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE TOWN HOMES WOULD ALSO OUTSIZE THEM IN SIMILAR FASHION.

THE MINIMUM PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHAT WE'VE HEARD, THE LOTS 2,500 WOULD BE OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET.

I LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT'S UNDER 1200 SQUARE FEET.

IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE RIGHT ON TYLER.

WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED PLAN IS SIMPLY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE BELIEVE IT DOES NOT ENHANCE ITS IMMEDIATE SURROUNDINGS, AND WE THINK THERE IS A BETTER USE OF THIS SPACE.

THIS BRINGS ME TO MY FINAL COMMENT, WHICH IS NOT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THESE IN GENERAL.

WHO ARE THESE HOMES FOR? THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH TALK OVER THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IN RICHARDSON OVER THE PAST YEAR, BUT I'M AFRAID WE'VE LOST THE PLOT.

AS A CITY, WE CAN'T JUST THROW UP TOWN HOMES EVERYWHERE AND SAY WE ARE ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM OF MISSING MIDDLE AND THE TOWN HOMES ARE JUST AS BIG AS THE AVERAGE HOUSE.

MAY I CONTINUE OR DO I NEED THE YOU CAN KEEP GOING.

WE SAY WE'RE ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM OF THE MISSING MIDDLE WHEN THE TOWN HOMES ARE JUST AS BIG AS THE AVERAGE HOUSE BIGGER IN THIS CASE, OR JUST AS EXPENSIVE OR MORE EXPENSIVE.

IN THIS CASE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE RECENTLY APPROVED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MIDDLE HOUSING IS TO CREATE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD A SINGLE DETACHED PROPERTY, BUT WANT MORE INDEPENDENCES THAN A TRADITIONAL APARTMENT OFFERS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE MOVING TO THE AREA FOR THEIR NEW JOB OR EMPTY NESTERS LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE OR SENIOR CITIZENS WHO CAN NO LONGER MAINTAIN THEIR PREVIOUS HOME.

BUT TOWNHOMES LIKE THESE ARE NOT CATERING TOWARDS THOSE PEOPLE.

INSTEAD, THESE MIDDLE HOUSES ARE SIMPLY MANSIONS WITHOUT YARDS.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE LEADERS OF OUR CITY, NOT SUE, LET THE ALLURE OF PROFIT GET IN THE WAY OF STAYING TRUE TO THEIR VISION OF INCLUSION, SUSTAINABILITY, AND INNOVATION.

I'M PART OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR I'D LOVE TO TO HELP YOU ANSWER THIS.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED THAT NO.

UH, SO THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS? YES.

WE ALWAYS APPRECI APPRECIATE HAVING NEIGHBORS THAT CARE.

IT SHOWS THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WANNA BE A PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CARES ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THE MAIN THING I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS AGAIN, MAYBE IS THE DENSITY AND THEN THE INFECT ON TYLER STREET.

JARED INDICATED THERE'D BE A PARKING ISSUE ON TYLER.

AGAIN, I WENT THROUGH THAT.

THIS IS DESIGNED, WE'RE SCREENED OFF FROM TYLER WITH A FENCE.

WE'VE GOT ADEQUATE, MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON TYLER STREET.

UM, SO I THINK THE EFFECTS ON TYLER STREET, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY.

AGAIN, OUR LOTS ARE 43% BIGGER.

THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER THAN THE TOWNHOUSE CASE BEFORE THIS ONE WHERE THEY HAD A LOT OF VARIANCES TO WIDTH DEPTH AREA.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

OUR LOTS ARE BIGGER.

UM, AND WE THOUGHT AGREEING TO THE 2000 SQUARE FEET WAS TO ENSURE THE TYPE OF PRODUCT AND TO BE A LITTLE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL THE HOUSES ON TYLER ARE, ARE 1200 SQUARE FEET.

I THINK SOME OF 'EM ARE BIGGER.

UH, BUT 2000 SQUARE FEET IS NOT, NOT A SUPER LARGE HOUSE.

IT'S A VERY AVERAGE HOUSE.

UH, THE MARKET FOR THESE, THE BUYERS, THEY ARE SOME OF THE ONES HE MENTIONED THAT HE DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS.

YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY DON'T, A LOT OF 'EM DON'T WANT BIG YARDS.

UH, AND ESPECIALLY EMPTY NESTERS, TIRED OF THE MAINTENANCE.

THIS IS PERFECT FOR THEM.

IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE IT'S HAPPENED IN SEVERAL OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORS MIGHT ACTUALLY MOVE HERE ONCE THE PRODUCT'S THERE.

UM, IT GIVES THEM A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DIFFERENT DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET NOW.

IN TERMS OF THE GENTLEMAN FROM ACROSS THE STREET, WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THEY HAD AN ASSOCIATION.

WE DID NOT REACH OUT TO THEM.

THEY HAVE

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TWO STORY UNITS.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO STORY UNITS.

I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH EFFECT ON EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY BEING SCREENED LIKE WE DO.

SO I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO LEAVE YOU WITH IS WE DON'T WANT A DENIAL, SO IF YOU THINK THERE'S SOME BETTER WAY OF DESIGNING THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD HOPE FOR A CONTINUATION.

, IS IT TIME TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.

I MAKE A MOTION.

WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, JUST QUESTION AGAIN FOR STAFF.

UM, THE, UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT THE R 1500 M TEMP RESIDENTIAL, WHAT DOES THAT ALLOW? THAT'S ALLOW, THAT ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND IT ALLOWS CHURCHES, IT ALLOWS ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHURCH, LIKE A SCHOOL WITH A CHURCH.

SO IT'S YOURS, TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR COMPARISON, UH, YOU'RE USING THIS RA 1100 M TOWNHOME ZONING AS A KIND OF A COMPARE FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EXISTING ZONING THOUGH.

A BETTER IMAGE DRIVE, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVE THROUGH FEEL OF THE PROJECT IS GONNA FEEL BETTER GOING DOWN THAT STREET, SEEING ALL THOSE FRONT YARDS AND LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, FRONT DOORS AND WITH THE GARAGE PARKING IN THE BACK.

WELL, UM, AND THEN I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, I THINK THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TOO OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE JUST PASSED, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WE SECONDARY USES, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS, OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULDN'T BE QUALIFIED AS A PRIMARY USE UNDER THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT, IT'D BE A SECONDARY USE.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN FACTORS THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT COMPATIBLE? WILL IT ENHANCE THE AREA? YOU KNOW, HOW DOES IT FIT? WHAT WAS THE PRIOR USES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, UH, AND WHAT'S AROUND IT? UM, SO I THINK THIS IS AN INTERESTING CASE IN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A CHURCH BEFORE AND, UH, YOU'VE GOT TOWNHOUSE HOMES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO, TO LOOK AT A HIGHER DENSITY ON THIS SITE WHEN IT WAS SUCH A LOW INTENSITY BEFORE, EXCEPT MAYBE ON SUNDAYS YEAH.

WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DO, UH, I COMMEND THE DEVELOPER AND APPLICANT ON THIS FOR, UH, REALLY, I MEAN, AND, AND AT LEAST IN TERMS OF A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE UNDER 10 UNITS PER ACRE, UH, IS A, IS A CONCESSION WHEN YOU'RE STICKING TO TWO STORIES IS A CONCESSION.

UH, WHEN YOU'RE COMMITTING TO BIGGER LOTS AND BIGGER HOMES AND MORE PARKING, UM, WITH ITS, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY FIVE UNIT, FIVE PARKING SPACES PER, PER UNIT.

UH, I MEAN, THOSE THINGS, THAT'S THINGS WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE IN, IN ANY OF THE CASES THAT REALLY COME BEFORE US ON THESE TOWN HOMES.

I MEAN, THEY'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE LAST CASE BEFORE THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF PARKING.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS LOWER HEIGHT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE KINDA LOT SIZES.

WE DIDN'T HAVE WE LOWER HEIGHTS AND TWO STORIES.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FEEL IS APPROPRIATE THAT WE'D RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL.

I MEAN, I THINK THIS ONE KIND OF CHECKS THE BOXES IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MEET, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF KEEPING IT, KEEPING THAT DENSITY DOWN.

UM, I DO AGREE THAT, UH, PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION ON THIS, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONFIGURATION AS IT'S IS CURRENTLY SHOWN MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, UH, WITH THE INTERIOR FACING.

I THINK THAT GIVES, IT GIVES THAT VALENCIA STREET A MUCH MORE, UM,

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UH, I, I THINK THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

UH, BUT I DO SEE, UH, A CON, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN ABOUT IF YOU'RE ON TYLER STREET, UH, LOOKING ACROSS AT THOSE GARAGES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT I WOULD WANNA SEE EITHER.

NOR AS YOU DRIVE DOWN BELTLINE, DO I WANNA LOOK AT THE BACK OF A BUNCH OF GARAGES? SO THE SCREENING, UH, WHETHER IT'S A FENCE OR A MASONRY OR A BRICK OR SOMETHING, I THI I THINK IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENS THERE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.

SO I, I CAN, I CAN SEE IT BOTH WAYS.

I CAN SEE A, YOU KNOW, NATURAL GREEN SHRUBBERY AND A FENCE KIND OF BEING LESS IN YOUR FACE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A WALL WOULD BE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT GIVES YOU THE SAME, UH, SCREENING EFFECTS, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY.

UM, SO TO ME THAT'S AN ISSUE.

AND THEN, UM, THE TRAFFIC, I KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM THERE ON GROVE.

UH, I'VE SEEN IT THERE AND IT DOES BACK UP QUITE A BIT.

UM, AND WE ALL KNOW, WE'VE JUST, ON THE LAST CASE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BELTLINE TRAFFIC AND HOW THAT CAN BE.

SO WE KNOW THAT'S DIFFICULT.

UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE RELY ON STAFF AND, UH, WHEN YOU'VE GOT 18 TRIP GENERATIONS AND THE A MP AND 20 OR 22 AND THE PM PEAK AND THE BIG PICTURE, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF NEW TRAFFIC TO AN ALREADY CONGESTED NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO TO ME IT'S, THAT WASN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS BIG A FACTOR THERE.

UM, AND, UH, LASTLY THE TREES.

I MEAN, YEAH, I, I'M, I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD ON THE TREE, SAVING THE TREES.

I MEAN, I, THOSE ARE BEAUTIFUL TREES THERE.

UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY, I I, YOU, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA LOSE IT IN ALMOST ANYTHING, UH, SORT OF REDEVELOPMENT.

UM, MAYBE IF YOU REALLY WENT LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO WORK AROUND THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

BUT ANYTHING, ANY OTHER KIND OF USE, WHETHER IT WAS APARTMENTS OR TOWN HOMES OR RETAIL OR OFFICE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF PUBLIC USE, I MEAN THOSE, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE ARE GONNA GET LOST ANYWAY.

SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF MY, MY GENERAL SUMMARY, WHAT I HEARD.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS PEOPLE DON'T WANT TOWN HOMES THERE.

AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT'S JUSTIFICATION IN ITSELF.

IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD SPOT FOR IT.

UM, IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO OTHER TOWN HOMES.

IT'S CLOSE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

MY COMMENTS ARE, UH, KIND OF AS YOU POINTED OUT, UM, BRIAN, THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM IS A PROBLEM WITH OR WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THESE TOWN HOMES ARE BIGGER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY BUILDS 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOMES ANYMORE.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL THOSE FIFTIES, SIXTIES HOMES THAT ARE TOO SMALL.

AND I GOT ONE, I'VE, I'VE GOT ONE, AND I KINDA WISH IT WAS BIGGER JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY.

SO, UM, THE, I, I THINK THAT'S KINDA THE BIG THING.

I THINK THE ONLY I, I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE MOTION THAT WE MAKE SURE THE SOUTH, UM, YOU KNOW, MASONARY WALL OR SCREENING OR WHATEVER IS, UH, SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN IF I WAS A, UH, MEMBER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PUSH IS WHAT YOUR OPINION IS OF THE, OF THE REST OF THE SCREENING AND PUSH THAT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, UH, UH, YOUR DESIRE.

'CAUSE MY DESIRE IS I'M PRETTY NEUTRAL.

UM, AND I THINK THE COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY BE SIMILAR.

AND IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A VERY STRONG OPINION, THE DEVELOPER SEEMS TO BE WILLING AND FLEXIBLE, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO, TO THEM JUST SAY, HEY, GO, GO FIGURE THIS OUT AND GO MAKE SURE YOU MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT YOU WANT IN THAT RESPECT.

'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IS LIKE, YEAH, IT COULD WORK, YOU KNOW, IT COULD WORK MASONRY, IT COULD WORK IRON.

IT COULD, IT COULD WORK EITHER WAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT THEY CAN KIND OF MAYBE COLLABORATE ON AND, AND EVEN TALK TO THE, THE DEVELOPER MAYBE BEFOREHAND AND GET THAT KIND OF NAILED OUT AS TO HOW YOU, YOU WANT THAT.

UM, YEAH.

BUT BESIDES THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY LITTLE NUGGET I WOULD ADD.

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MM-HMM .

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT 18 OR 22 CARS IS GONNA SIGNIFICANTLY MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE.

IT'S A BAD PROBLEM.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE TO PUSH THE PROBLEM OF TRAFFIC TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T THINK 18 OR 22 CARS AT PEAK IS GONNA MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.

'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY A REALLY BAD PROBLEM BOTH ON GROVE.

AND LIKE I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I JUST DROVE UP MAIN COMING HERE AND, AND SAW IT FIRSTHAND.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

UM, THE OTHER CONCERN WAS, UH, JUST ENVIRONMENTAL, WELL, I GUESS BEFORE I LEAVE THAT ALSO STAFF MENTIONED THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE AND THEN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC REMEDIATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KINDA HAVE TO TRUST STAFF ON THAT.

UM, THE SECOND POINT THOUGH WAS THE ENVIRONMENTAL.

AND I'M ALSO BEING TOLD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, ONCE IT'S PLATTED OUT, ANY KIND OF, UH, RUNOFF CONCERNS AND ALL OF THAT, THE HYDRAULICS, THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF WHEN YOU PLOT OUT THE SITE.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS I HAVE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSED.

ONE, IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH CITY COUNCIL, UM, SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, STAFF HAS SAID THERE'S NO, NO IMPLICATIONS FROM, UH, THE NO NEED FOR TRAFFIC MITIGATION BASED UPON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, IS ALREADY BAD.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT 18 OR 22 IS GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RUNOFF, THAT'LL ALL BE TAKEN, TAKEN CARE OF, UH, WHEN IT'S PLOTTED OUT.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT, UH, TO ME, SORT OF WHAT THE UNDERLYING CONCERN THAT I HEARD, UH, IS REGENTRIFICATION, BECAUSE THESE ARE OLDER, SMALLER HOMES AND THEY LACK THAT TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE.

AND THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE, BUT THE WORLD'S NOT GONNA STAY THAT WAY FOREVER.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYWHERE IN, IN RICHARDSON OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT ISN'T RE GENTRIFYING, SO TO SPEAK, UPGRADING, CHANGING FROM WHAT IT WAS, NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, I DRIVE GROVE ALL THE TIME.

I, AND YEAH, THERE'S TIMES DURING THE DAY WHEN IT'S A HASSLE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU'RE ON PLAIN OLD ROAD, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME DURING THE DAY WHEN IT'S HASSLE OR ON, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE NORTH SOUTHBOUND ROADS, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY MOVING TO TEXAS.

SO WHETHER YOU PUT 36 HOMES HERE OR 36 HOMES SOMEWHERE ELSE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS.

AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAVE.

NOW, I UNDER, I DO UNDERSTAND THE THING ABOUT THE REGENTRIFICATION.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS A VALID CONCERN.

AND, UM, TO THE POINT ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT THINKS A $400,000 HOME IS, YOU KNOW, A MIDDLE.

WHERE IT DID IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS JUST A MENTION OF IT, BUT, UM, THESE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I GUESS, UH, TECHNICALLY IT FITS INTO WHAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE MIDDLE MISSING MIDDLE WAS, BUT FROM A PRICE POINT, IT DOESN'T REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

SO, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU RESOLVED THAT BECAUSE UH, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S BEING BUILT NOW.

WELL, YEAH.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE COULD BE TOWN, I MEAN, UH, APARTMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES OR SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, BUT THAT'S MOSTLY RENTAL HOUSING.

RIGHT, EXACTLY.

UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OWNER OCCUPIED, YOU KNOW, I MEAN DUPLEX, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY OR SOME SORT OF CONDOS I GUESS, BUT YOU ARE USUALLY TALKING HIGHER DENSITY, NOT DUPLEXES, BUT, UM, UH, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE COTTAGE HOUSING OR BUNGALOW STYLE HOUSING MIGHT BE BETTER 'CAUSE OF THE LOWER DENSITY AND, BUT I'M SURE THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.

SO MY FINAL COMMENT IS JUST, UM, AS YOU KNOW, DURING OUR, UH, INPUT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I WAS ADVOCATING STRONGLY FOR MODULAR HOUSING, MORE CREATIVITY AND THE HOUSING THAT WOULD GET YOU TO AFFORDABILITY AND, UM, MAY NOT BE A, UH, IT APPARENTLY WASN'T A POPULAR, UH, CONCEPT BECAUSE VERY LITTLE OF IT, I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CHANGED TO ACTUALLY MENTION MODULAR HOUSING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT WAS WITH THAT IS YOU COULD GET TO A PRICE POINT OF AFFORDABILITY WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO GET INTO A $400,000 HOUSE.

BUT, UM, IT LANDED WHERE,

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SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.

HOPEFULLY ONE DAY THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY THAT THE MARKET FORCES WILL REACT TO THAT COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT, YOU KNOW, IS AFFORDABLE, THAT CAN MAKE IT ON COST OF LAND AND COST TO BUILD.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MARKET THERE FOR THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MARKET DRIVEN.

THAT'S REALITY.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF , YOU KNOW, MAKE WAYS, THEY'RE MAKING SUGGESTIONS ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS.

AT LEAST HAVE THAT CONSIDERED BECAUSE THE ORIENTATION OF THESE BUILDINGS, ALL OF THAT WAS WELL CONSIDERED.

IT WAS TAUGHT THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS.

AND STILL WE END UP WITH, UH, QUOTE, TECHNICALLY MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.

YOU WANNA TAKE SOME ACTION HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE.

WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, WHAT IS THIS? 24 29? 24 24.

24 24.

UM, AS PRESENTED, IF I MAY, MAY I ADD THE, UM, WITH A SIMILAR DESIGN, UH, WALL ON THE SOUTH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I MEAN, THAT STILL HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED, SO I JUST WANT IT TO BE SIMILARLY DESIGNED.

I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THAT'S VALUABLE TO, TO THE, YOU KNOW, COHESIVENESS.

COULD YOU, UH, JUST FOR MY BENEFIT AND STAFF'S CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY A SIMILARLY DESIGNED WALL? WELL, I, I KNOW I'VE TRIED TO USE THESE WORDS BEFORE AND, AND, AND L LUNA HAS ALWAYS SAID, LET US, LIKE, LET US GO BACK TO THE OFFICE AND RIGHT.

AND, AND WORDSMITH IT.

'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE, I'LL SAY A SIMILAR DESIGN, THE SAME LOOK BRICK, AND IT'LL BE LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANNA SAY.

SO I WILL LEAVE IT TO STAFF TO MAKE THAT WORDING CORRECT.

IS IT JUST ON THE SOUTH WALL? YES.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT? IT ONLY HAS WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO ON BELTLINE SIDE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING COMPATIBLE.

THE BELTLINE CAN, YES.

CAN I, CAN I TRANSLATE MAYBE FOR WHAT, WHAT I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE, WOULD IT BE, UH, THAT YOU'RE, UH, WRECKING APPROVAL WITH THE ADDED CONDITION THAT THERE'D BE A MASONRY SCREENING WALL? UM, UH, SIMILAR IN NATURE TO THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL AND ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS.

ON THE BELT LINE SIDE.

ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? WELL THEN IN THAT CASE, I SECOND THE, UH, THE MOTION .

UH, WE HAVE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, AS RECOMMENDED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK.

UH, COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, NOT FROM US.

I DON'T BELIEVE.

ALL RIGHT, THEN WE STAND ADJOURNED.