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[CALL TO ORDER]
I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM FIRST ON THE AGENDA, I CALL COUNCIL MEMBER DAN BARRIS TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE INVOCATION.AS LIGHTS ARE PRESENT IN THIS HOLIDAY SEASON, THAT THERE BE A LIGHT WITHIN OUR HEARTS AS WE TURN OUR LIGHTS ONTO OUR TREES, INTO OUR HOMES.
WE EXPRESS HOPE FOR THE LIGHT OF CHRIST TO BE MORE AND MORE EVIDENT IN OUR WORLD.
AND THE LIGHT OF JESUS PRESENCE SHINE IN OUR FORGIVENESS TOWARDS OTHERS, MAY SHINE IN OUR EXPRESSIONS OF JUSTICE AND EQUALITY TO ALL.
MAY THE LIGHT SHINE IN THE CARE WE PROVIDE FOR EACH OTHER.
LET THERE BE LIGHT IN OUR CITIES AND OUR FAMILIES, AND IN OUR SOULS.
THANK GOD FOR PROVIDING THE LIGHT THAT DIS, THAT DISPELS THE DARKNESS.
PLEASE JOIN ME PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
[3. MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 2, 2024 MEETING AND DECEMBER 2, 2024 SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ]
FOR A MOTION, MR. HUTCHIN RIDER, TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES.MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 2ND, 2024 MEETING AND THE DECEMBER 2ND, 2024 SPECIAL CALLED MEETING MR. DORIAN.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM]
TIME WE'RE GONNA DO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITOR FORUM.WE DID RECEIVE ONE COMMENT IN ADVANCE OF THE, UH, 5:00 PM DEADLINE, UH, FOR ZONING FILE 24 25 FROM MR. JUST JUSTIN NET OF 4 25 PLEASANT VALLEY.
HE IS NOT SPEAKING, BUT HAS, UH, INDICATED HE'S OPPOSED AND PROVIDED YOUR COMMENTS.
WE ALSO RECEIVED, UH, TWO EMAILS, NOT THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, UH, THAT I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE CITY SECRETARY HAS PROVIDED, UH, TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL.
UM, I WILL NOW ASK MS. NEER IF THERE ARE ANY VISITORS TO SPEAK DURING THE SECTION.
[5. CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AND COMMUNITY INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION ]
NUMBER FIVE TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AND COMMUNITY INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION.DO YOU NEED TO SAY ANYTHING OR CAN I ASK FOR SOMEONE TO PRESENT? PLEASE ASK MS. JUSTICE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ADDRESS THE CIVIL SERVICE, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPOINT BEN CRONIN AS VICE CHAIR AND CINDY HARTLEY AS MAYOR OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD FOR A TERM EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.
ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
COULD I ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE APPOINTMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY INCLUSION ENGAGEMENT? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
MAYOR, I MOVE TO REAPPOINT VARMA RASHMI AS CHAIR CHRISTIAN CAESAR AND AUDREY.
NOTICE NEWSOM AS MEMBERS TO APPOINT CHRISTIAN SHAHE AS VICE CHAIR AND NARANJA HANANA AS MEMBER FOR A TERM EFFECT ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.
MR. HUTCHIN RIDER, YOU SECOND.
I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW HANDS, PLEASE.
MRS. NEER, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO THE OATH? MS. HARTLEY, WILL YOU JOIN ME UP HERE? PLEASE WRITE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND WHEN I REPEAT THE OATH, SAY I DO AT THE END.
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF BOARD MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AND TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
I'LL JUST NOTE THAT RAJAN IS TRAVELING OUTTA THE COUNTRY AT THIS TIME.
AND SO, UH, AMY WILL SWEAR HIM IN PRIOR TO, UH, THE COMMUNITY INCLUSION ENGAGEMENTS.
[6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN FINAL DRAFT ]
GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN, THE FINAL DRAFT.UH, V ALGO, OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATIONS IS GONNA KIND OF START OFF THE BRIEFING AND I'LL LET HER INTRODUCE, UH, THE TEAM THAT'S WITH US TONIGHT.
UH, BUT, UH, AS, UH, WE'VE DONE, UM, UM, THE LAST, UH, FEW WEEKS, UH, REALLY STARTING TO BRING A NUMBER OF VERY IMPORTANT PLANNING INITIATIVES TO A CONCLUSION
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HERE.AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR TONIGHT IS SOME, SOME FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF OUR AQUATICS MASTER PLAN WITH THE, UH, GOAL OF HAVING YOU, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THAT PLAN, UH, AT, UH, ONE OF YOUR FIRST JANUARY MEETINGS.
AND SO WE LOOK FOR SOME, UH, GREAT DIALOGUE FROM, UM, FROM YOU TONIGHT.
UM, AND, UM, AND THEN, UH, SOME DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, THAT STRATEGY.
SO YVONNE, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO GET US TO, TO TONIGHT, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR THE BRIEFING.
AND THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR HAVING US HERE AGAIN OVER THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BRING TO YOU THE, UM, PLAN'S FINAL DRAFT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.
BUT AS A REMINDER, THIS, UH, PLAN COVERS THE CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC GOAL TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN RESIDENTS AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS.
AND THIS IS A MAJOR PLANNING INITIATIVE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TACTICS OF AQUATIC MASTER PLAN.
SO OUR PURPOSE TONIGHT IS TO PROVIDE A BRIEFING ON THE UPDATES AND, UM, THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'LL GAIN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, FROM WHAT WE SHARE WITH YOU AND PREPARE FOR A JANUARY 13 RESOLUTION ADOPTION.
SO OUR OVERVIEW FOR TONIGHT, WE'LL SHARE UPDATES ON THE FINAL, ON THE UPDATES AND FINAL DRAFTS OF THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN.
I'LL GO OVER THE PROJECT GOLDS AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CONSULTANTS, UH, STARTING WITH GEORGE DY, WHO IS WITH OUR COUNCILMAN AND HUNT SEKER GROUP AND HUNSAKER GROUP, AND THEN AUSTIN POWERS WITH KIMBERLY AND HORN.
THE CONSULTANTS WILL GO OVER THE RESULTS FROM THE DISCOVERY PHASE, WHICH ARE, UM, WHICH ARE THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT AND MARKETING ANALYSIS, AS WELL AS THE SUMMARY OF PUBLIC INPUT, THE AQUATIC OPTIONS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED, THE ROUND TWO OF OUR PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN FROM THERE, I'LL COME BACK UP TO GO OVER THE NEXT STEPS WITH YOU.
SO, AS A REMINDER, OUR PROJECT GOLDS, THIS IS WHAT WE STARTED WITH FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, TO DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT IT TO HAVE OUT OF THIS SO LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLAN FOR AQUATIC SERVICES FOR THE RICHARDSON COMMUNITY.
ALIGN SERVICES WITH EXPECTATIONS AND AQUATICS, AND CREATE A GUIDE FOR A FUTURE AQUATIC SYSTEM.
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A FUTURE AQUATIC FUTURES, PREFERRED LOCATIONS OF FACILITIES BASED ON CURRENT AND FUTURE DEMOGRAPHICS.
CONSIDER IMPACT OF FUTURE PLANS FOR STAFFING LEVELS, PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, MODERN MECHANICAL STRUCTURE, AND OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES, AS WELL AS CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION CITIZEN NEEDS TO FURTHER ENHANCE RICHARDSON AS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PROUD TO LIVE, WORK, INVEST IN, ENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
THIS IS BASED ON PUBLIC INPUT AND FROM OUR ORIGINAL PROJECT, GOLDS, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WERE DEVELOPED AND SHARED WITH YOU IN OCTOBER.
UH, THESE WERE ALSO SHARED DURING OUR, OUR ROUND TWO OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND ON THE SURVEY THAT WAS PRODUCED IN, IN THE ROUND TWO INPUT.
SO GUIDING PRINCIPLES OR DEVELOP AN APPROACH THAT TAKES IN CONSIDERATION DISTRIBUTION OF SERVICES ACROSS THE COMMUNITY TO ENSURE ALL RESIDENTS HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN AQUATIC RECREATION, PRODUCE A PLAN THAT PROMOTES ACCESS TO AQUATIC FACILITIES AND PROGRAMMING FOR RESIDENTS OF VARIOUS AGES, INTEREST AND ABILITIES.
DEVELOP AN APPROACH THAT CONSIDERS ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY TO ENSURE A BALANCE BETWEEN CAPITAL COST AND LONG-TERM OPERATING COST.
PRIORITIZING A FINANCIAL SOUND AQUATIC SYSTEM AND ADOPT A BALANCED APPROACH THAT IS THE ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE.
AND THAT CONSIDERS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
CREATE A PLAN THAT EMBRACES MODERNIZATION AND VERSATILITY TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY AND PROGRAMMING OPTIONS AND CAN CATER TO USERS OF VARIOUS AGES, INTEREST AND ABILITIES.
PRI PRIORITIZE THE MODERNIZATION OF FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT TO CREATE MORE DESIRABLE AND EFFICIENT VENUES.
AND THEN FINALLY MAINTAIN THE CITY'S HIGH CALIBER COMMUNITY EVENTS AND RECREATIONAL PROGRAMMING TO APPEAL TO PERSONS OF VARIOUS AGES, INTERESTS AND ABILITIES TO CULTIVATE THE CITY'S REPUTATION AS A DESTINATION FOR PREMIER ACTIVITIES AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THE NORTH TEXAS REGION.
SO NOW I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO GEORGE TO GO OVER FACILITY ASSESSMENTS AND SOME OF THE DISCOVERY PHASE INFORMATION.
MY NAME IS GEORGE DYES WITH COUNCILMAN SEGGER, AND WE'RE THE AQUATICS PLANNING AND DESIGN FIRM THAT WORKS ALONGSIDE, UH, AUSTIN.
UH, AND HIS TEAM AT, UH, KIMLEY HORN HAVE DONE, UH, NUMEROUS OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, UH, TOGETHER IN THE AREA, UH, ACROSS
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THE STATE AND ACTUALLY AROUND THE COUNTRY AS WELL.AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST GOALS OF THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN WAS TO LOOK AT YOUR EXISTING INVENTORY OF OUTDOOR COMMUNITY POOLS AND JUST DEVELOPED SOME, UH, THEMES ABOUT THEIR CONDITION, FUNCTIONALITY, AND LIFESPAN.
WE LOOKED AT THE PHYSICAL CONDITION, UH, AS YOU ALL, UH, KNOW, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE POOLS, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN, UH, THE 1960S EXCEPT FOR THE HEIGHTS FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER, UH, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY AN OUTCOME OF THE LAST AQUATICS MASTER PLAN THAT WE WORKED ON, UH, IN THE EARLY 2010S.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NOTICE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, AGING AQUATIC FACILITIES, UH, FUNCTIONALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT MEETING THE, THE CURRENT AQUATIC TRENDS AND STANDARDS THAT WE SEE IN, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST A LOT OF PHYSICAL, UH, DETERIORATION OF, YOU KNOW, POOL DECK, POOL STRUCTURES.
AND IN, IN GENERAL, UH, AGING, AGING POOLS.
WE USUALLY FIND THAT OUTDOOR AQUATIC FACILITIES HAVE ABOUT A 30 TO 40 YEAR, UH, LIFESPAN.
AND THEY, THAT CAN BE EXTENDED IF YOU HAVE A RENOVATION ABOUT HALFWAY TO TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY THROUGH, UH, ITS LIFESPAN.
UH, BUT WE FIND THAT THESE ARE ALL, UH, OUT OUTSIDE OF THE HEIGHTS FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER, UH, TOWARDS THE, THE END OF THEIR, UH, LIFESPAN.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE ATTENDANCE, UH, AND REVENUE AND TYPES OF PROGRAM OFFERINGS AS JUST THE PHYSICAL CONDITION ALONE DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UH, TELL THE THE ENTIRE STORY.
UH, WHAT WE DID FIND IS THAT THERE IS DECLINING ATTENDANCE AT THE MAJORITY OF THE FACILITIES, UH, AND, AND GENERALLY LOW, UH, UTILIZATION, UH, DURING THE SUMMER SEASON.
AND SO, UH, YOU SEE THERE JUST A COMPARISON BETWEEN 22, UH, 23 AND, UH, 2024, UH, BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY POOL, NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS, AS WELL AS, UH, THE HEIGHTS FAMILY, AQUATIC CENTER HEIGHTS, STILL AROUND THAT 25,000 VISITORS, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE SUMMER, UH, WHILE THE OTHER ONES ARE IN THAT THREE TO 5,000, UH, VISIT RANGES FOR, UH, POOL USERS.
BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY PROVIDE A VALUABLE SERVICE, UH, THROUGH SWIMMING LESSONS, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SWIM TEAMS, AND THEN GENERAL, UH, RECREATIONAL SWIMMING DURING, IN THE SUMMER.
UH, THE NEXT STEP WAS TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT, OKAY, WHO DO THESE POOLS SERVE IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, RICHARDSON RESIDENTS COMPARISON WITH OTHER AREA PROVIDERS.
AND WE HAD SIGNED ABOUT A SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE TIME TO EACH OF, UH, THE FACILITIES.
AND SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH THIS MAP HERE IS THAT, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY IS COVERED.
SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME OVERLAPPING SERVICE AREAS, SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN TERRACE AND GLENVILLE, UH, BUT THAT NORTHEAST RICHARDSON SEGMENT, UH, THOSE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA ARE NOT WITHIN, UH, SEVEN MINUTES OF ANY TYPE OF AQUATIC FACILITY.
AND SO, UH, WE ALSO COMPARED THAT TO OTHER AREA PROVIDERS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, BOTH THROUGH THE SURVEY AS WELL AS THE IN-PERSON.
WE HEARD FROM A VARIETY OF RESIDENTS THAT WERE HAVING TO DRIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY FOR, UH, AQUATIC RECREATION, BOTH FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT A INVENTORY OF, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, CITY OF DALLAS.
THEY HAVE, UH, F FRED'S PARK JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, BELL LINE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE GARLAND THAT HAS A COUPLE OF, UH, FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING UPDATED, OBVIOUSLY PLANO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CARROLLTON, UH, FARMER'S BRANCH.
BUT AGAIN, UH, I THINK THE BIG THEME HERE WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, NORTHEAST RICHARDSON IS NOT COVERED, UH, WITHIN THE EXISTING, UH, FACILITIES THAT THE, THE CITY OFFERS.
UH, WE HAD, UH, A LOT OF PARTICIPATION THROUGH A VARIETY OF GROUPS, UH, MET WITH A LOT OF YOU ALL, UH, INDIVIDUALLY AT THE START OF THIS PROCESS, JUST TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS, CONCERNS, IDEAS ABOUT, UH, THE FUTURE OF BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR AQUATICS WITHIN THE CITY OF, UH, RICHARDSON.
WE MET WITH, UH, CITY STAFFERS THAT UTILIZED THE POOLS FOR SUMMER CAMPS.
WE MET WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE LOCAL, UH, YMCA.
WE ALSO TALKED TO THE, UH, HOA AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY SEE THAT THEY FIT IN, UH, TO THIS SYSTEM AS WELL.
AND SO, THROUGH, UH, FIVE OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS, WE RELEASED AN ONLINE SURVEY WITH OVER 1100, UH, RESPONSES, BOTH FROM MULTIPLE CHOICE QUESTIONS, BUT AS WELL AS, UH, OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS.
AND WE FOUND SEVERAL THEMES, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, ALL OF THOSE ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE TOOK PART IN.
UH, THE FIRST WAS A DESIRE FOR AN INDOOR POOL.
RICHARDSON HAS, UH, A FEW INDOOR POOLS, UH, AT THE HIGH SCHOOLS WITH RISD, UH, AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF PRIVATE PROVIDERS, BUT THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, INDOOR MUNICIPAL AQUATIC CENTER.
UH, WE FOUND THAT RESIDENTS COULD TELL THAT YOU ALL HAVE AN AGING AQUATIC SYSTEM.
AND SO THEY WERE, UH, MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT UPGRADES TO THE EXISTING,
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UH, FACILITIES.AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO OFFER SOME OTHER, UH, SPECIALIZED AQUATIC PROGRAMMING THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS, UH, WATER FITNESS, UH, COMPETITION SWIMMING WAS A BIG THEME AS WELL.
AND, AND ALSO JUST INDOOR, UH, AND ENHANCED OUTDOOR, UH, RECREATION.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW THROUGH OUR DRIVE TIME MAP THAT THE NORTHEAST SECTION OF RICHARDSON WAS NOT CURRENTLY COVERED, AND THAT, UH, WAS A KEY THEME THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, THAT WE, UH, LOOKED AT, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE A LONGER OPERATIONAL SEASON, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE SUMMERTIME, UH, BUT ALSO ON A YEAR ROUND PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN, UH, UPGRADING THE EXISTING FACILITIES AND, AND THEIR OFFERINGS.
YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE FACILITIES ARE AGING, AND SO BEING ABLE TO OFFER, UH, MAYBE CHILDREN'S AMENITIES, UH, SHADE, UH, TABLES FOR, UH, THE SUMMERTIME.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE, THE FITNESS AND COMPETITIVE SWIM.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT OFFERED THROUGH INDOOR, IT'S, IT'S PRIMARILY OFFERED THROUGH INDOOR YEAR ROUND AQUATICS, WHICH THE CITY CURRENTLY DOES NOT OFFER.
AND SO BEING ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE AN INDOOR AQUATIC FACILITY SO THEY COULD MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE AQUATIC USER GROUPS.
AND SO FROM THERE, WE CAME UP WITH SEVERAL, UH, DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE EXPLORED.
SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO AUSTIN, AND HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK ALL THIS INFORMATION FROM THE DISCOVERY PHASE AND WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP SOME OPTIONS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PRESENT BACK TO THE PUBLIC, UH, TO GET FEEDBACK.
UH, EACH OPTION HAS DIFFERENT CAPITAL AND OPERATING COST IMPLICATIONS.
UM, SO ONCE WE DID THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE IT BACK, GET FEEDBACK AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, USE THAT FEEDBACK FOR, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
QUICK OVERVIEW ON OUR OPTIONS.
WE DEVELOPED FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF 'EM HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH.
BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY IT GOES FROM KEEPING YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM AS IS WITH, UH, JUST DOING SOME RENOVATIONS TO, YOU KNOW, MORE, UH, MODERNIZING YOUR FACILITIES, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BRING IT MORE IN LINE WITH, UH, TODAY'S TRENDS IN AQUATICS.
SO AGAIN, OPTION A, THIS IS, UH, REALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATE AS IS, UH, LET'S TRY TO GET A FEW MORE YEARS OUT OF YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES.
UH, THIS ISN'T A REBUILD OF ANY FACILITY, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, UH, LET'S PUT MONEY INTO, UH, UPDATING YOUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, ADDRESSING ANY A DA ISSUES.
A LOT OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DONE ON THE MECHANICAL SIDE, THIS IS KIND OF JUST PROLONGING THAT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY A LONG-TERM SOLUTION, BUT SOMETHING TO KEEP YOU, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UP AND RUNNING FOR A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THAT, UH, CAPITAL COST IMPLICATIONS AROUND $10 MILLION IN TODAY'S FUNDS.
IT CAN BE A, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY SHORT TERM TIMEFRAME ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS, UM, FOR REPAIRS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT REALLY DRIVING ATTENDANCE UP.
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH MAINTAINING YOUR, YOUR STATUS QUO.
UH, AND SO YOUR OPERATING COST RECOVERY IS GONNA BE JUST OVER 20% ON THIS OPTION.
OPTION B IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING AS OPTION A, BUT IT'S ADDRESSING THAT, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER THAT GEORGE MENTIONED WAS LACKING IN AN AQUATIC OFFERING BY ADDING A SPLASH PAD AT BRECKENRIDGE PARK.
UH, EVERYTHING ELSE IS KIND OF THE SAME.
SO, UH, THAT TIMELINE CAN, CAN VARY STILL, UH, IN THAT TWO TO FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME.
IT DOES INCREASE YOUR CAPITAL COST TO, UH, 12 AND A HALF MILLION, AND IT REDUCES YOUR OPERATING COSTS JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, SPRAY GROUND DON'T, UM, GENERATE REVENUE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE USUALLY OFFERED AS A FREE, UH, AMENITY TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO YOUR RECOVERY COMES DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR OPERATIONS, UH, ON THAT FACILITY.
OPTION C IS REALLY WHERE WE STARTED TO LOOK AT MODERNIZING YOUR, YOUR SYSTEM.
AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, ADDING SOME BUDGET IN FOR RENOVATIONS TO HEIGHTS AND CANYON CREEK.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, UPDATING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT HEIGHTS HAD A FEW, UH, ISSUES ON THE POOL DECK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, THIS OPTION ALSO INCLUDED A COMMUNITY, A NEW COMMUNITY POOL AT APOLLO PARK OR GLENVILLE, UH, AND THEN REPLACING COTTONWOOD WITH A, UH, A SPRAY GROUND, ADDING THAT SPRAY GROUND AT BRECKENRIDGE, AND THEN REMOVING BOTH GLENVILLE AND TERRACE POOLS AND ADDING A SPRAY GROUND BACK AT ONE OF THOSE TWO PARKS.
UM, THAT TIMELINE WOULD BE IN THAT TWO TO FIVE YEAR RANGE AT A CAPITAL COST OF JUST OVER 22 AND A HALF MILLION.
YOU DO INCREASE YOUR, UH, YOUR COST RECOVERY A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU'RE REDUCING SOME OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES.
YOU'RE ABLE TO INCREASE ATTENDANCE AT A, A NEW OUTDOOR
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FACILITY.AND SO YOUR OVERALL OPERATIONS COST HAS KIND OF, UH, GONE DOWN AND, UM, YOUR ATTENDANCE AND REVENUE HAS GONE UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT OPERATING COST RECOVERY, UH, INCREASES.
AND THAT ALSO HELPS YOUR DRIVE TIME.
UH, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THE COVERAGE MAP THAT WOULD STILL, UH, MEET YOUR DRIVE TIME REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN OPTION D IS, UH, REALLY JUST, UH, RENOVATING HEIGHTS AND THEN REMOVING, UH, REMOVING OR REPLACING YOUR COTTONWOOD FACILITY, UM, AND CANYON CREEK AND TERRACE OR APOLLO WITH SPRAY GROUNDS AND ADDING THAT BRECKENRIDGE PARK.
SO IT'S REALLY, AND, AND ADDING A NEW COMMUNITY POOL AT GLENVILLE, THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, KIND OF A SPRAY GROUND HEAVY APPROACH WITH A COMMUNITY FACILITY ON, ON THE EAST.
AND THEN YOU'VE STILL GOT HEIGHTS ON THE WEST.
THAT CAPITAL COST IS, UH, JUST OVER 20.5 MILLION.
YOUR COST RECOVERY IS AT 35, UH, JUST OVER 35% ON THAT OPTION.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT, UH, BACK TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AND GET SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THOSE OPTIONS.
AND REALLY THE TOP TWO OPTIONS, UH, THAT WE, WE HEARD BACK WERE C AND D, UH, A AND B AGAIN, WERE WERE MAINLY JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING YOUR FACILITIES AS IS.
SO, UH, THERE WAS SOME SUPPORT FOR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING YOUR FA YOUR FACILITIES BACK UP TO THE MORE MODERN STANDARD THERE.
WE ALSO ASKED THE COMMUNITY ON FEEDBACK FOR AN INDOOR OUTDOOR AQUATIC FACILITY, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE AN EIGHT LANE LAP POOL ON THE INDOOR SIDE WITH A RECREATION COMPONENT, OBVIOUSLY O OFFICE SPACE, PARTY ROOMS, UH, THOSE REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITIES.
ALSO INCLUDED WOULD BE AN OUTDOOR LEISURE, LAGOON, OUTDOOR ZERO ENTRY POOL, SOMETHING THAT COMPLIMENTS WHAT YOU HAVE AT HEIGHTS, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REPLICATE IT.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA FOR THIS FACILITY.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE, UH, THE EAST SIDE, UH, THAT TIMELINE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UH, A LITTLE BIT LARGER CAPITAL COST THERE AT 56 MILLION.
AND THEN, UM, WITH AN ONGOING OPERATION COST OF 2.6 MILLION IN, IN TAX FUNDS.
AND SO WE ASKED THE QUESTION TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY WOULD SUPPORT AN INDOOR FACILITY BY VOTING FOR A BOND ELECTION.
OVERWHELMINGLY, UM, THAT WAS A, A VOTED YES.
AND THEN ALSO IN THAT SAME, UH, SURVEY, WE ASKED IF THEY WOULD SUPPORT A TAX RATE INCREASE AGAIN, UH, TO, TO OFFSET THE OPERATIONS COST.
AND THEY VOTED YES ON THAT AS WELL.
WE DID HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL SURVEY QUESTIONS.
UH, THEY ATTEMPTED TO DETERMINE PRIORITY LEVEL AS, UH, FOR INDOOR, UH, IMPORTANCE, BUT, UH, THEY WERE REALLY INCONCLUSIVE.
UM, UH, THE, THE SUPPORT IS THERE.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN DOES THAT FALL INTO THE PRIORITY AND THE TIMELINE OF THINGS.
UH, SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE REALLY, UH, GENERATED TWO OPTIONS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, AND ONE INCLUDES THE INDOOR FACILITY THAT CAN BE ADDED.
UH, ONE INCLUDES JUST AN OUTDOOR FACILITY, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER.
SO THE TWO OPTIONS, UH, TWO SCENARIOS IS BASICALLY, BASICALLY TAKING THAT OPTION C THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
UM, AND, AND THE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE THERE IS THAT OUTDOOR, UH, COMMUNITY FACILITY THAT WAS AT GLENVILLE OR APOLLO, PUTTING THAT AT APOLLO, UH, PARK, UM, AND HAVING THAT OPTION TO ADD THE INDOOR COMPONENT AT A LATER DATE OR AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, UH, THE REASON WE CHOSE APOLLO IS, IS IT HAS PLENTY OF, UH, LAND THERE.
UM, THE, IT ADDRESSES THE, THE SERVICE AREAS, UM, AQUATIC TRENDS, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS, IS, UH, WAS INCLUDED IN THAT ANALYSIS FOR THAT, THAT PARK AGAIN.
IT, UH, ESSENTIALLY WE'RE ADDING BUDGET TO, UH, THIS IS C ONE, UH, ADDING BUDGET TO HEIGHTS AND CANYON CREEK POOL FOR RENOVATIONS, UH, REPLACING COTTONWOOD AQUATIC FACILITY WITH A SPLASH PAD.
AND THEN, UM, ADDING THE, THE SPLASH PAD UP AT BRECKENRIDGE.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE AN OUTDOOR COMMUNITY, UH, AT APOLLO.
AND THEN, UH, ONCE, UH, THAT APOLLO FACILITY COMES ONLINE, UH, WE WOULD REPLACE, UM, WE WOULD REMOVE GLENVILLE AND TERRACE AND REPLACE ONE OF THOSE WITH THE SPRAY GROUND, THAT TIMELINE, UH, FOR THE SHORT TERM, YOU COULD DO A LOT OF THE BUDGETARY STUFF ON, AND ALL THE MAINTENANCE STUFF ON, UM, ON HEIGHTS AND CANYON CREEK FAIRLY EARLY.
UH, YOU COULD ALSO REPLACE COTTONWOOD, UH, WE DO WITH THE SPLASH PAD THERE.
AND THEN, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UH, TIMELINE WOULD BE ADDING THAT OUTDOOR COMMUNITY AT APOLLO AND THEN REPLACING, UM, EITHER GLENVILLE OR TERRACE WITH THE SPRING ROUND AS WELL.
UH, THAT OPERATION, UH, ANNUAL
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OPERATING COST WOULD BE JUST UNDER 850,000 AND, UH, AT A COST RECOVERY OF 33.89%.OPTION C TWO IS THE SAME THING, EXCEPT FOR WE ARE, UM, INCLUDING THE INDOOR OPTION AT APOLLO.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE FELT LIKE THAT LAND IS, IS, UH, FEASIBLE FOR THE FACILITY.
AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IT TAKES UP, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION WITH STILL MEETING YOUR SERVICE NEEDS.
THAT ANNUAL OPERATING COST WOULD BE JUST UNDER 3 MILLION AND, UM, WOULD INCREASE YOUR COST RECOVERY TO 43.24 UH, PERCENT.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE, UH, WERE ABLE TO GENERATE.
AND JUST A, A QUICK GRAPHIC HERE ON OUR PRIORITIES.
UH, SHORT TERM, OBVIOUSLY PUTTING THAT MONEY, UH, CREATING A BUDGET FOR THE HEIGHTS, UH, FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER RENOVATION, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THAT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
UH, THE THREE TO FIVE YEAR RANGE WOULD BE THE COTTONWOOD SPRAY GROUND, ADDING THAT BRECKENRIDGE SPRAY GROUND, AND, UH, THE RENOVATIONS AT CANYON CREEK AND THAT THOSE ARE GONNA COME UP AS NEEDED.
UH, WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE, UH, RENOVATIONS WERE DONE, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO.
AND THEN OUR LONG PRIORITIES WOULD BE AT THE OUTDOOR, UH, AT APOLLO OR THE INDOOR AT APOLLO.
AND THEN ONCE THAT COMES ONLINE, GO AHEAD AND REMOVE TERRACE AND GLENVILLE AND REPLACE ONE OF THOSE WITH THE SPRAY GROUND.
SO THAT'S HOW THE PRIORITIES FALL, UH, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE, UH, PRIORITIES IN THE YEARS.
SO OUR NEXT STEPS TONIGHT, WE ARE HOPING TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK TOMORROW NIGHT.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, AND WE WILL OBTAIN FEEDBACK FROM OUR, OUR PARKS COMMISSION MEMBERS.
UM, WE'LL TAKE THAT FEEDBACK, COMPILE IT, COORDINATE WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND OUR CONSULTANTS TO, UH, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLAN, AND THEN PREPARE FOR ADOPTION FOR JANUARY 13TH.
SO, COMING FORWARD TO YOU JANUARY 13TH FOR RESOLUTION ADOPTION.
AND IN BETWEEN THAT TIME, UM, OR I SHOULD SAY AFTER THAT TIME, DEVELOP A FUNDING STRATEGY FOR $1.5 MILLION, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 AND 26 TO COMPLETE SOME RENOVATION UPDATES TO HEIGHTS AQUATIC CENTER, AND HAVE THOSE DONE PRIOR TO THE 26TH SEASON OPENING.
AND THEN FROM THERE, CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE CONDITION OF OUR, OUR OTHER FACILITIES AND PREPARE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BOND PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM.
SO AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
UM, GEORGE AND AUSTIN, BEFORE WE MOVED ON, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE MS. CROW, OUR CHAIR FOR THE PARKS COMMISSION, AND BETTY, FOR BEING HERE.
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING WE'VE, THAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, I GOT, I, YVONNE, MAYBE YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER THIS OR MAYBE THE, I I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND LEAD OFF WITH A QUESTION, IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND, COUNSEL.
IN OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WE TALK ABOUT IT'S A DESTINATION FOR PREMIER ACTIVITIES, FITNESS, COMPETITION, SO FORTH.
SO IF IT'S A DESTINATION IN THE INDOOR FACILITY, ARE THERE BLEACHERS OR IS THERE A PLACE TO WATCH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, FOR LIKE COMPETITION AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
WAS THAT INCLUDED IN THE INDOOR FACILITY NUMBERS TO WHERE WE COULD HOST SWIM MEETS WHERE WE COULD HOST COMPETITION? THAT WOULD BE A, A 25 YARD POOL? SO I'LL LET GEORGE ANSWER THAT 'CAUSE HE'S OUR EXPERT.
SO THE INDOOR EIGHT LANE, 25 YARD POOL WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR HOSTING, UH, COMPETITIVE EVENTS, BUT PROBABLY MORE ON THE SMALLER SCALE, DUAL OR TRIM MEETS, MAYBE A SMALL INVITATIONAL.
UH, BUT WE WOULD HAVE, UH, HAD PLANNED FOR SOME DECK LEVEL BLEACHERS, BUT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ELEVATED SPECTATOR BLEACHERS AT THIS TIME.
SO GEORGE, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE EXISTING POOLS, LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CURRENTLY HAS, UH, POOLS THAT SIZE, BLEACHERS ON THE DECKS, THAT TYPE OF THING? CORRECT.
ENOUGH FOR MAYBE TWO TO 300, UH, SPECTATORS FOR AN EVENT IS WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY FORESEE FOR THIS FACILITY.
I JUST SAY THAT SOMETIMES THAT'S INADEQUATE WHEN YOU HAVE THREE TEAMS AND YOU HAVE 40, 45 SWIMMERS PER TEAM, AND THEN YOU, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE SWIMMERS TAKE UP ALL THE SEATING, AND SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A DESTINATION.
THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE WITH YOU, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY AND WE'RE GONNA SAY IT'S A DESTINATION, THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO RE RECOUP SOME MONEY BY HOSTING EVENTS.
AND IT MAY NOT BE, BUT I, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF
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MAYBE INCREASING IT.AND IF IT'S NOT AN OPTION, IT'S NOT AN OPTION DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK AT.
UM, FIRST OFF, YOU USED TWO WORDS AND YOU KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY MIXED 'EM IN THERE, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SPRAY PAD AND A SPLASH PAD? 'CAUSE YOU KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OR NOT, BUT I HEARD IT BEING USED SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.
CAN, SO CAN YOU HELP ME WITH, WITH THAT DEFINITION NUMBER ONE? YEAH, IT'S AN INTERCHANGEABLE TERM.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS OF, OF TRYING TO CATCH OUR TERMINOLOGY TO BE CONSISTENT.
BUT ULTIMATELY THEY ARE THE SAME, UM, THING, A SPRAY PAD, SPLASH PAD, UM, IT IS A PLAYGROUND THAT HAS WATER, UH, FEATURES COMING THROUGH, UH, WHETHER IT'S SPRAY FEATURES OR BUCKETS OR ACTUAL PLAY EQUIPMENT THAT THE KIDS CAN, CAN BE ON.
UM, SECOND QUESTION, YVONNE, THAT, THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE, BUT, BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AT LEAST ON THE SIX YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON HERE, AND I THINK YOU WERE NOT IN YOUR POSITION AT THE TIME, IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS WELL NOTED THAT BRECKENRIDGE DOES NOT HAVE ANY SERVICES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR IS WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF, UM, RECREATIONAL CENTER THERE EITHER.
AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS RATHER THAN GOING INTO APOLLO AND STARTING SOMETHING KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY SAVINGS OR WOULD WE EVER CONSIDER HAVING THE, IF WE WERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO AN INTERNAL POOL, UH, OR AN INSIDE POOL, WHATEVER WORD, WHATEVER WORD I SHOULD USE, UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY THOUGHT OF TRYING TO DO A REC CENTER AND A POOL IN ONE FELL SWOOP? AND WOULD, WOULD WE HAVE A SAVINGS BY DOING THAT OUT AT BRECKENRIDGE? SO IN ESSENCE, WE KILLED TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.
I THINK PART OF WHAT GEORGE AND AUSTIN DETERMINED IS IF YOU WERE TO PUT A POOL AT BRECKENRIDGE, THE COVERAGE RADIUS IS GONNA COVER MORE NON-RESIDENTS THAN RESIDENTS THEMSELVES.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF FEATURE SHOULD GO INTO BRECKENRIDGE.
NOW, IN LIGHT OF THE RECREATION CENTER, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ON OUR MASTER PLAN.
UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT RANKED NUMBER THREE IN THE MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S STILL ON THE RADAR, HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT PART OF THE STUDY.
SO, BUT I, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE A COST SAVINGS THERE THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER? 'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA, IF, IF, AND AGAIN, REC, AND I REMEMBERED THAT IT WAS NUMBER THREE, SO THAT'S PRETTY HIGH UP ON THAT PRIORITY LIST.
SO THAT, WOULD THERE BE ANY, SHOULD, SHOULD WE CONSIDER, LEMME NOT SAY, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY IT THAT WAY.
SHOULD WE CONSIDER, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A REC CENTER, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION, RATHER THAN TRYING TO DO TWO CONSTRUCTIONS, WE DO ONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK AN INDOOR, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN INDOOR, I'M NOT SPEAKING TO AN OUTDOOR, I UNDERSTAND THE OUTDOOR COMPONENT, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN INDOOR, COULD WE PUT THE TWO TOGETHER, DO IT IN ONE SPOT, SAVE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS, SAVE EXPENSE? AND AGAIN, KIND OF BACK TO THE MAYOR'S PART, IF WE MADE IT APPROPRIATE SIDE WITH BENCHES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THEN WE ALSO RECAPTURE, UM, SOME REVENUE AS WELL.
SO I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY THAT IT'S THE RIGHT IDEA, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING TWO THINGS, COULD WE COMBINE 'EM AND SAVE DOLLARS? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
COUNCILMAN, UM, I, I THINK, UM, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING REC CENTER, UH, AND IN A NATATORIUM OR INDOOR, UM, POOL OR BOTH, UM, BOTH OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, BOND PROGRAM CONSIDERATIONS AND LIKELY UNDERSTAND, LIKELY BE BE MAYBE COMPETING WITHIN THE PX PROPOSITION, BUT DEFINITELY COMPETING AGAINST OTHERS.
SO I THINK THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO, TO LOOK AT THAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO, IF, IF THERE WAS A MOMENTUM TO TRY TO INCLUDE BOTH IN A BOND PROGRAM AT THE SAME TIME, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO TRY TO DECIDE WOULD THERE BE SOME, UH, SAVINGS AND SOME SYNERGY FROM CONSTRUCTING BOTH ON ONE SITE.
IF, HOWEVER, WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, ONE OR THE OTHER IN A SINGLE BOND PROGRAM, THEN THE, THE POINT'S KIND OF MUTE.
BUT, SO I THINK IF, IF WE GET TO, WHEN WE GET THROUGH THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS KIND OF THINKING IS, IS POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULD THEN KIND OF, UM, EVALUATE THE, UM, THE, UH, SAVINGS AND THE EFFICIENCIES FROM CONSTRUCTING BOTH ON THE, ON THE SAME CAMPUS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IN LIEU OF THAT, SHOULD WE INCLUDE THAT AS AN OPTION IN HERE? SO THAT DOWN, AND AGAIN, I FULLY, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, DON.
SO DO WE, SHOULD WE INCLUDE THAT AS AN OPTION HERE SO THAT FUTURE COUNCILS WHEN IT, WHEN IT BECOMES A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION? I MEAN, THEY'LL DO WHAT, WHAT THEY SEE AS AS APPROPRIATE.
AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO TIP THEIR HAND, BUT I HATE TO NOT, I'D HATE TO NOT HAVE IT
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AS AN OPTION SO THAT IT'S NOT CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE, GIVEN THAT IT DOES, THAT, THERE IS A SENSE THERE, IF YOU WILL, TO DO BOTH IF WE DECIDED TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME BOND PROGRAM.SO COULD WE, COULD WE ADD THAT AS AN OPTION, AT LEAST AN OPTION FOR SOMEONE DOWN THE ROAD TO CONSIDER, I GUESS IS WHAT I WOULD ASK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE A C3 PER SE, BUT I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY A WAY TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD, UH, KIND OF, KIND OF FORECAST THAT POSSIBILITY.
AND THEN IF THAT'S, UM, KIND OF WHAT THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN CONSTRUCTING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, THEN, THEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO THAT THAT, YEAH.
WHETHER IT'S A C3 OR A C TWO PLUS OR HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO WORD IT IN THERE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT AS A CONSIDERATION FOR THE FUTURE.
I'M NOT, AND, AND I THINK OTHERWISE, I THINK WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE IS A, IS VERY POSITIVE AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND, UM, THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE.
I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.
I, I WOULD THINK THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF REWORKING OF WHATEVER C ONE OR C TWO, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING, YOU KNOW, TERRORISTS AND ADDING A SPLASH PATTERN OR, UH, GLENVILLE AND ADDING A SPLASH PAD.
AND SO LIKE NOW WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE APPROPRIATE AQUATICS COVERAGE FOR THAT PART OF RICHARDSON IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT, FOR ME, I WOULD WANNA SEE HOW, HOW DO WE REWORK THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION NOW THAT WE LEAVE ONE OF THOSE OPEN AND PUT A SPLASH PAD IN THE OTHER SO THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE COVERAGE, UM, UNDER SORT OF A C TWO C ONE PLAN THAT, THAT YOU PRESENTED.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD NEED TO SEE SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS, I THINK BEFORE I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
UH, BUT NO DOUBT, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT BRECKENRIDGE HAS BEEN LEFT OUT AND WE NEED TO, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE SPLASH PAD IS, IS ON HERE AND THAT THERE'S SOMETHING GOING IN THERE TO, TO SERVE THAT POPULATION.
BUT, UM, STANDING ALONE, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT SORT OF HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE OTHER COVERAGE FOR THE SOUTHEAST PART OF RICHARDSON.
UM, HOW DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH A SPLASH PAD IS TO CONSTRUCT AN OP? NOT A LOT OF OPERATION, BUT FOR TODAY'S DOLLARS WE PUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
UH, FOR BRECKENRIDGE, WE PUT 3 MILLION IN BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A RESTROOM FACILITY CLOSER TO IT.
THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY.
UM, SO I, MY, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT REALLY TOOK BOTH OUR BOND CAPACITY AND SORT OF THE OPERATING COST ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, OPTION C TWO.
WHILE WE RECAPTURE A TON BY DOING C TWO, WE ALSO ADD A WHOLE LOT TO OPERATING COSTS BY DOING THAT.
SO I'M REALLY CURIOUS, UM, UH, DIRECTOR PGU OR MR. MAGNER, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT ABSORBING THAT OPERATING COST? 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL, WE'RE GONNA BE ABSORBING 1.7 MILLION UNDER THAT, THAT PLAN EVEN AFTER THE COST RECAPTURE.
AND THEN WHAT DOES OUR BOND CAPACITY LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO TRY AND PASS SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOTS OF, I I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING CATEGORY IN HERE IN THE SURVEY STUFF THAT YOU DID, LIKE, COMPARED TO STREETS AND DRAINAGE MM-HMM
AND PUBLIC SAFETY, HOW, WHERE, WHERE DOES THIS RANK? RIGHT? AND, AND IT RANKED DECENTLY HIGH, BUT CLEARLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING IT ARE REALLY IMPASSIONED ABOUT, UH, AQUATICS.
AND SO I, I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS, HOW DO WE BALANCE ALL OF THOSE THINGS KNOWING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT YEAH.
WE HAD A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN STREETS LAST BOND ELECTION.
I ASSUME WE'LL NEED SOMETHING SIMILAR MM-HMM
SO, SO, SO THE BOND CAPACITY, UM, IF, IF WE STAY ON THE SAME RHYTHM AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, WRAPPING UP THE, UM, THE, UH, 2021 BONDAGE OF FIVE
SO WE WOULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY A 26, AND IT WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME CAPACITY, ABOUT 200 MILLION OR SO, SAY, LET'S JUST SAY 200 MILLION OR SO.
UM, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY IF THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, SO, YOU KNOW, NOT KIND OF PUTTING THE, THE FULL NUMBER OUT THERE.
UM, BUT LET'S SAY IT WAS $200 MILLION.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE DESCRIBED THE PROBLEM THAT I'VE, UH, BEEN TRYING TO, UM, AT LEAST INTRODUCE EACH OF THE, WITH EACH OF THESE MASTER PLANNING INITIATIVES THAT IN THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND, YOU KNOW, $300 MILLION OF STREET REPAIRS THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE 21 BOND PROGRAM.
WE ALSO HAVE A FIRE STATION SEVEN.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, UP UPGRADES AND ENHANCEMENTS NEEDED TO OUR, OUR, UM, OUR SERVICE CENTER, WE HAVE AQUATICS.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF, A LOT OF COMPETING DEMANDS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, AN EXERCISE THAT THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH IS TO TRY TO BALANCE THOSE COMPETING DEMANDS AND, YOU KNOW, CREATE A BOND PROGRAM THAT'S AS RESPONSIVE TO AS MANY OF THE NEEDS AND INTERESTS THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE LIKELIHOOD, UM, AND RECALL IN, IN, LET'S JUST TAKE PARKS FOR INSTANCE.
YOU'VE GOT AQUATICS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, TRAILS, YOU HAVE PLAYGROUNDS.
UM, AND, AND A LOT OF, EVEN WITHIN THAT PROPOSITION, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING DEMANDS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THE CAPACITY'S THERE TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS, EVEN ONE FROM EACH OF THESE MASTER PLANS, ONE OF THE BIG TICKET ITEMS FOR EACH OF THE MASTER PLANS.
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I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, CONFRONTED WITH SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT'S TO PRIORITIZE, UM, FROM AN OPERATING STANDPOINT.UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KINDA GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UM, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL THE NEW REVENUE WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR, UH, UNIQUE YEAR BECAUSE OF SALES TAX.
BUT, UM, IF YOU JUST KIND OF TAKE OUR CURRENT BUDGET AND YOU ADD THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT THAT WE'RE ALLOWED, AND YOU ASSUME SOME NEW GROWTH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE BETWEEN 2.4, $2.6 MILLION OF NEW REVENUE YEAR OVER YEAR.
SO TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF THAT NEW REVENUE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO ACTIVATING AND TAKE TAKING ON THE OPERATING COST FOR A, UM, FOR A NEW REC CENTER.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE OFTEN SAID, AND I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE CONSULT AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD IT.
WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO OPERATE IT UNDER SB TWO GUIDELINES AND RULES.
AND THAT WILL BE A, UM, THAT WILL BE A, A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THAT'S WHY, UH, THE TEAM RIGHTLY SO, TAKING THOSE KINDS OF CONSIDERATIONS IN INTO ACCOUNT, UM, LOOKED FOR A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN POOLS AND SPLASH PADS BECAUSE THE SPLASH PADS DO HAVE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS OPERATING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, UM, IN ADDITION TO OTHER BENEFITS, LIKE THE LONGER SEASON, THE LONG, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADULT SUPERVISION, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S A LONG WAY TO SAY THAT.
UM, I THINK YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF IT IS RIGHT ON, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE STILL A, A GOOD CAPACITY OF ABOUT $200 MILLION, BUT NOT LIKELY TO HANDLE, UM, THE HIGHEST TICKET ITEMS FROM EACH OF THE PLANNING STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE, AS WELL AS BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO REINVEST IN OUR CORE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE STREETS.
UM, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT OUR TWO OR THREE YEAR BOND PROGRAM CYCLE TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, SOME OF THE BIGGER TICKET ITEMS. THAT'S WHY AS WHEN CHIEF PUY PRESENTED, FOR INSTANCE, HE AND I ALREADY LOOKING ONE BOND PROGRAM BEYOND, UM, THE 26 PROGRAM FOR FIRE STATION SEVEN.
UM, AND REALLY USING THAT AS A WAY AND REALLY WORKING BACK FROM THAT BOND PROGRAM, TWO BOND PROGRAMS OUT TO KIND OF SAY, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO PREPARE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF RAMP UP AT THAT TIME.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, I WOULD LOVE IT.
THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE COST JUST OF SORT OF DOING C TWO WOULD BE A QUARTER OF OUR ENTIRE BOND PROGRAM.
UM, MORE, UM, AND SO HOW LONG IS THE, UM, MASTER PLAN INTENDED TO COVER? IS IT A 10 YEAR PLAN, 15 YEAR PLAN? WE HAD ASKED THAT THIS BE A 10 YEAR PLAN, BUT IT TECHNICALLY CAN GO FURTHER THAN THAT.
BELIEVE 15 IS WHAT WE HAD SAID, 10 TO 15.
YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M ASKING, 'CAUSE I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN HERE.
IT'S JUST SORT OF HOW DO WE, HOW WOULD WE PHASE IT IN? AND SO, YOU KNOW, COULD IT BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT FOR, TO YOUR 0.2 BOND PROGRAMS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE, WE, WE TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER STUFF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
UM, UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE, THE, UM, MASTER PLAN DRAFT THAT WE RECEIVED ABOUT TEAMING UP WITH RASD AND CORE, UH, SWIM.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SORT OF FUNDING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? IS THAT, IS THAT EVEN VIABLE OPTION? OR IF IF NOT, THEN YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO IT.
YEAH, WELL, LET, LET ME, BUT THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD ABOUT TIMING, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW ABOUT THE RISD CONVERSATION.
MAYOR DUBY AND I HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH, UM, SUPERINTENDENT AND, UH, MEMBERS OF HER TEAM AND, UH, THEIR SITUATION AND, AND I DON'T THINK, UH, MAYOR, UH, PLEASE CHECK ME IF YOU THINK I'M, I'M MISCHARACTERIZING THIS AT ALL.
THEIR SITU SITUATION IS, IS FAIRLY CRITICAL AND, UH, THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD IMMEDIATELY, UM, WITH, UH, NATATORIUM, UH, UH, A VOTER CONSIDERATION FOR NATATORIUM, UM, REPLACING THE TWO THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE QUICKLY REALIZED THAT OUR TIMELINE AND THEIR TIMELINE WERE NOT ALIGNED AT ALL.
AND, UM, AGAIN, I THINK MAYOR, IF YOU WANNA ADD TO ANYTHING FROM THAT MEETING, WELL, IT WAS, NO, YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
WE WERE NOT IN ALIGNMENT AS FAR AS WHEN IT WAS TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER.
AND PART OF THAT, EVERYONE NEEDS TO REMEMBER WE HAD TO GO TO BOND TO REBUILD A CITY HALL MM-HMM
AND THAT PARTICULAR DISASTER SET US BACK A BOND AND A HALF OF TIMELINE, SO TO SPEAK.
AND SO WE DO NOT MATCH UP WITH OUR ISD AS TO WHEN IT COULD, WE COULD DO IT.
UM, I MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PLAN.
I THINK THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTING OPTIONS AND I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT THE RIGHT WAY AND I THINK THE PLANS YOU'RE PROPOSING ARE THE RIGHT ONES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I ASKED ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD 'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS, I KNOW SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE UPSET ABOUT LOSING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD POOL, SO IS THERE A WAY TO JUST THROW A SPLASH PAD IN THERE, BUT AT $3 MILLION, MAYBE NOT.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT WAS SORT OF MY THINKING THERE IS, IS HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE GRANTED BETWEEN TERRACE AND GLENVILLE AND POTENTIALLY SOMETHING AT APOLLO.
THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP THERE.
SO I, I GET THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY, MY HEAD WAS GOING ON THAT QUESTION.
UM, YEAH, NO, I'M, I REALLY ENJOYED READING THROUGH THE DRAFT DOCUMENT.
I'VE ENJOYED THE PRESENTATION AND
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I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT THE PARKS COMMISSION IS GONNA SAY.UM, I THINK THEY INTENTIONALLY CHOSE PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF JUST HOW PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES LINED UP FOR TOMORROW.
THEY ALSO INTENTIONALLY CHOSE IT SO THEY COULD MAKE COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE SAID TONIGHT.
AND SO, UM, I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEN I FEEL LIKE AT THAT POINT, IF, DO WE HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN C ONE AND C TWO OR IS THERE, ARE THEY BOTH GONNA BE IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT? HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK? THEY'RE BOTH GONNA BE IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT, AND THIS WAY WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD ON I SEE WHAT PLAN THE COMMUNITY WANTS BASED ON INDOOR OR INDOOR OUTDOOR.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M NOT A POSITION TO CHOOSE RIGHT.
BETWEEN EITHER PLAN, UH, TONIGHT AND THEN WHO KNOWS IN, IN JANUARY AS WELL.
BUT, UM, I DO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THEM AS FAST AS I CAN.
UM, BUT OH, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO KNOW IS ABOUT THE PARK COMMISSION TOO IS, UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, EVERYONE, THE COMMISSION HAS DONE MULTIPLE FIELD TRIPS TO SPLASH PAD TYPE FACILITIES TO INDOOR POOL FACILITIES TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF THESE THINGS LOOK LIKE.
AND SO, UM, SOME OF MY QUESTIONS COME IN THE CONTEXT OF HAVING BEEN WITH THEM ON THOSE FIELD TRIPS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UH, THE GENTLEMAN FROM, FROM COUNCILMAN, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID THAT ATTENDANCE AT OUR COMMUNITY POOLS WAS DECLINING, BUT THEN IN THE ACTUAL DRAFT YOU SAID IT WAS RELATIVELY STABLE, OR WE SAID IT WAS RELATIVELY STABLE.
SO IS IT JUST DECLINING IN A LONGER, THE DRAFT ONLY HAD A COUPLE YEARS, RIGHT? SO IS IT DECLINING AS FAR AS LIKE A LONGER TREND OR LIKE WHERE WAS SORT OF THE MISMATCH ON THOSE COMMENTS COMING FROM? YEAH, SO YEAR OVER YEAR FROM A LONGER TREND IT'S BEEN DECLINING.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 20, 22, 23 AND 24, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY STABLE.
IT'S FAIRLY COMPARABLE WITH JUST A LITTLE VARIATION.
SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, OPERATIONAL, UH, SEASON LENGTH AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE LIFEGUARD SHORTAGE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AS WELL.
YEAH, NO, I FIGURED THAT WAS THE CASE.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY MM-HMM
UH, SINCE THERE WAS THAT MISMATCH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, I JUST WANTED TO, I WAS, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON YOUR COMMENTS AND COUNCIL MEMBER HUTCH RIDER'S COMMENTS ON THE SPLASH PAD IN BRECKENRIDGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THERE WAS A SPLASH PAD IN BRECKENRIDGE ON EVERY SINGLE OPTION.
AND SO NO MATTER WHAT THAT WAS GONNA BE RECOMMENDED.
AND SO I'M, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT, ARE WE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THERE OR YEAH, NO, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, TWO THUMBS UP TO THE FACT THAT IT'S THERE NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE PUTTING A SPLASH PAD IN BRECKENRIDGE.
I THINK THE, THE QUESTION, THE COMMENT I WAS MAKING BACK TO COUNCILMAN HUTCHER RIDER IS IF WE WERE TO DO AN INDOOR FACILITY OR A LARGER FACILITY AT BRECKENRIDGE, WE WOULD THEN NEED TO STUDY, UH, YOU KNOW, GLENVILLE AND TERRACE BECAUSE WE MIGHT NOT WANNA GET RID OF THOSE POOLS.
'CAUSE THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE COVERAGE.
I THOUGHT THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HUTTER, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A REC CENTER WITH LIKE, JUST LIKE, LIKE HEIGHTS REC CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND MY POINT, YEAH, MY POINT WAS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HIGH ON THE MASTER PLAN OF REC CENTERS IS BRICKEN RIDGE.
'CAUSE BRICKEN RIDGE HAS NOTHING.
IT'S BEEN KIND OF THE FORGOTTEN LAND, IF YOU WILL, IN THAT REGARD.
AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, IS IF, AND AGAIN, WITH THE BUDGET OR THE, THE, UM, BOND PROGRAM ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR JUST A MOMENT MM-HMM
UM, WOULD, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SPLASH PLA SPLASH PAD FOR BRECKENRIDGE? SURE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT A, AN, AN OUTDOOR POOL THERE, BUT MY COMMENT WAS IS IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN INDOOR POOL SOMEWHERE, OH, OKAY.
COULD WE DO A REC CENTER AND THE INDOOR POOL PUT IT TOGETHER AND SAVE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY DOING ONE LARGER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT VERSUS TRYING TO DO A REC CENTER OUT AT BRECKENRIDGE AND POTENTIALLY THE INDOOR POOL AT APOLLO.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
THE WHOLE CONVERSATION MAKES SENSE TO ME NOW.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED THAT AS AN OPTION OUT THERE.
SO, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA DECIDE AS THIS COUNCIL.
I JUST WANT SOMEONE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT MM-HMM
WHATEVER YEAR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FOUR WHATEVER NUMBER OF YEARS, JUST SO WE CAN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT IT AND MAYBE THAT MAKES MOST SENSE, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT NEXT BOND PROGRAM MAY, MAYBE IT'S THE BOND PROGRAM AFTER THAT WE'RE GONNA HOLD FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE CYCLE AND DO IT MM-HMM.
THE NEXT CYCLE AND THEN IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO THAT.
THAT QUESTION MAKES, SO THAT MAKES SENSE.
YEAH, NO, I, I GET THE CONVERSATION NOW.
UM, SO SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT IS COST RECOVERY A LOT IN, IN THE DOCUMENT.
I'M JUST WONDERING, IS OUR COST RECOVERY GOAL, IS THAT 20% OR THAT THAT NUMBER WAS MENTIONED SOMEWHERE IN THERE? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
DO WE EVEN HAVE A COST RECOVERY GOAL FOR, UH, FOR LIKE THE COMMUNITY POOLS OR THE ENTIRE SYSTEM? WE DO, AND I'M GONNA LOOK TO SPENCER OR CHRIS TO MAYBE HELP ME OUT WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
I BELIEVE THE, THE POOL COST RECOVERY, AND I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK ON THAT.
BUT I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, 30 TO 45%.
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UM, NOW IT'S BROKEN OUT MM-HMMBETWEEN SWIM LESSONS, BECAUSE THAT FALLS INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
UM, AND FOR SWIM LESSONS, THOSE ARE MORE SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS BASED ON THE COST RECOVERY PROGRAM THAT WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD BACK IN 2017.
I SEE FACILITIES HAVE A DIFFERENT COST RECOVERY RATE, SO I CAN, I CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.
AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT'S REFERENCED IN HERE SOME, A KIND OF A BENCHMARK THAT WE USE FOR OTHER, FOR OTHER THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T PERSONALLY, I THINK I'VE, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, A PUBLIC FACILITY IS A PUBLIC FACILITY AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE BACK A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ITS OPERATING COSTS.
IF IT THAT WERE THE CASE, IT WOULDN'T BE PUBLIC NECESSARILY.
SO, UM, LIKE, I MEAN, CHERYL PARK RIGHT.
THAT SOMETIMES IT MAKES BACK A HUNDRED PERCENT, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.
UM, WHAT ARE, LIKE, WHAT'S THE COST RECOVERY AT SOME OF OUR OTHER FACILITIES, LIKE REC CENTERS? DO WE, DO Y'ALL KNOW THAT WE DO? UH, SPENCER DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BY ANY CHANCE? JUST BY WAY OF COMPARISON? YEAH, THEY'RE IN THE 40% RANGE.
SO, AND ON THAT NOTE AS WELL, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RENOVATIONS, LIKE THE, THE TOTAL RENOVATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY POOLS MM-HMM
UM, SO NOT HEIGHTS, BUT THE OTHER ONES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS.
I NOTICED THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE COST RECOVERY NUMBERS POST RENOVATION, THEY WERE REALLY PRETTY SIMILAR TO PRE-RENOVATION.
LIKE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE, THE RENOVATIONS HAD A LOT AS FAR AS COST RECOVERY.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? THAT IS ACCURATE? UM, ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I BELIEVE AUSTIN HAD BROUGHT UP IS THE RENOVATION PLAN FOR OPTION A AND B WERE TO REDO THOSE POOLS AS IS.
SO LOOKING AT MORE MECHANICAL A DA ISSUES, THE, THE CONCRETE, UM, ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE THE FEATURES OF THE POOL, WHICH IS NOT GONNA DRIVE ATTENDANCE UP.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED ADD TO THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT'S A HELPFUL THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT OUR ATTENDANCE IS, IS NOT REALLY, BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CRACKING SOMEWHERE ALONG THE SIDE OF THE POOL OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO THERE, WHETHER IT'S LIKE REALLY NICE OR NOT, IT'S JUST MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE REALLY, IT SEEMS LIKE.
UM, AND I GUESS A USEFUL LIFE ISSUE AS WELL.
SO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, I SAW THIS JUST ONE COMMENT, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF Y'ALL HAD MORE INSIGHT ON AS WELL.
ON PAGE 44, IT MENTIONED, UM, ONE OF THE, I GUESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS OR, OR COMPLAINTS THAT WAS PART OF THE AGGREGATE THAT WAS ROLLED UP WAS SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED INCONSISTENT QUALITY OF LIFEGUARDS.
DID Y'ALL GET ANY MORE INSIGHT ONTO THAT COMMENT OR, YES, WE DID.
UH, BUT IT DEFINITELY CAME UP AND WE WANTED TO TRACK ALL THE INFORMATION THAT CAME ABOUT MM-HMM
NO, THAT'S, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS ALL REALLY HELPFUL INFORMATION.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT ONE OF THE POOLS THAT WE TOURED WITH THE PARKS COMMISSION WAS AN A PREVIOUSLY OUTDOOR POOL THAT HAD BEEN ENCLOSED.
AND SO WAS THAT NOT AN OPTION OR, OR A FEASIBLE OPTION FOR ANY OF OUR CURRENT OUTDOOR POOLS? YOU WANNA MOVE? UH, YEAH, THAT, THAT I THINK, I BELIEVE THAT CAME UP TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE STUDY MM-HMM
BUT JUST BASED ON, UH, THE CONDITION OF THE POOLS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WE WOULD RECOMMEND, ESPECIALLY THAT, UH, JUST THE LAYOUT OF THE POOLS, THE CURRENT CONDITION, UH, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENCLOSE ONE OF THE EXISTING POOLS, UH, IT'D PROBABLY BE MOST COST EFFECTIVE TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, START FROM NEW AND BUILD A NEW INDOOR POOL, THEN TRY TO COVER ONE OF THE EXISTING ONES.
AND THAT'S JUST 'CAUSE OF THE AGE, UH, DUE TO THE AGE OF THE POOL AS WELL AS THE LAYOUT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU COVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT COVERING AN EXISTING, UH, OUTDOOR POOL AND MAKING IT INDOOR, WE USUALLY LIKE PERFECT RECTANGLES FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDING SOLUTIONS THAT THEY UTILIZE TO DO THAT.
JOE, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COVERING IT OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ENCLOSING IT? SORRY.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
I'VE, UH, BEEN FIGHTING SOMETHING FOR A FEW DAYS.
UM, YVONNE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AS USUAL, YOU KNOW, I, I LOVE EVERYTHING Y'ALL DO.
I'M, I'M ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST CHEERLEADERS.
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UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS, UM, BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I DO WANT TO SAY, UM, LAST TIME, NOT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I RAN INDOOR POOLS, WAS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON THINGS PEOPLE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT IN MY OWN FAMILY, MY SON WHO WAS A SWIMMER FOR YEARS.
I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT IN OUR FRIEND CIRCLE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I JUST MAN RANDOMLY MET AT DOORS.
SO I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND ALSO THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR WORK THIS WEEKEND.
UM, I DO SHARE, UM, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE'S SENTIMENT.
UH, I'M GLAD THAT BRECKENRIDGE IS AT THE VERY LEAST GET A, A SPLASH PAD, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I ALSO HEARD ABOUT A LOT FROM THAT PART OF TOWN WHEN I WAS OUT KNOCKING ON DOORS.
UM, I WOULD SHARE HER CONCERN, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF WE WERE TO TRULY LOOK AT PUTTING SOMETHING THERE, YOU KNOW, COVERAGE ON THE SOUTHEAST SECTOR.
AND I GUESS THESE FIRST OR COUPLE ONES ARE FOR CONSULTANTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE BASED OFF SOME THINGS THEY MENTIONED.
UM, ONE SECOND, LEMME JUST ORGANIZE HERE.
UH, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN, HE MENTIONED THAT THEY SPOKE TO AN HOA IN, IN THE MEETINGS.
UH, WAS IT JUST THE ONE HOA IN AND WHICH HOA WAS THAT? WE HAD SEVERAL HOAS.
WE INVITED, I BELIEVE A TOTAL OF 20.
AND OUT OF THAT WE HAD, I BELIEVE, FIVE THAT ATTENDED.
UM, I KNOW, TRYING TO THINK IT WAS THE GLENVILLE PARK, HOA OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS PRESENT AND THE OTHER ONES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CANNOT RECALL.
IT WAS MENTIONED, THE SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE TIME.
HOW IS THAT DRIVE TIME DETERMINED ARE ALL ADDRESSES PUT INTO SYSTEM SOMEWHERE AND THEY'RE MAPPED OUT IN A GIS SYSTEM? IS THIS RANDOM? YOU KNOW, YOU DROVE AROUND AND LOOKED AT A WATCH.
I ASKED THIS 'CAUSE YOU COULD TELL I'VE BEEN SICK FOR A FEW DAYS AND I WOKE UP AT TWO 30 THIS MORNING 'CAUSE I COULDN'T SLEEP.
I WAS COUGHING AND AT ABOUT 3:00 AM I DECIDED TO GET ON MY PHONE, RESPOND TO SOME TEXTS AND, AND READ EMAILS AND DO THAT KIND.
I WAS LIKE, I WANNA SEE HOW FAR.
'CAUSE I, I DROVE FROM MY HOU, I LIVE NEXT TO COTTONWOOD PARK AND I, I DROVE, DROVE IT A FEW TIMES TO HEIGHTS AND I WAS LIKE, I CAN'T GET THERE.
BUT AT 3:00 AM I WAS ABLE TO GET THERE AT 6:00 AM ACCORDING TO MY MAP SYSTEM.
SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS HOW YOU GET, UH, I MEAN AT SIX, SIX MINUTES I WAS ABLE TO DO IT 3:00 AM BUT I'M KIND OF CURIOUS HOW YOU GUYS FIGURED THAT OUT.
ALSO, WHERE DID YOU PULL SEVEN MINUTES FROM? IS THAT A NATIONAL STANDARD? IS THAT ACCORDING TO A GOVERNING BODY? IS THAT JUST KIND OF BEST PRACTICE INDUSTRY? YOU COULD JUST GIMME SOME INSIGHT.
SO, UH, I'LL TAKE THE SECOND QUESTION FIRST.
SO THAT'S SEVEN MINUTE, UH, DRIVE TIME IS, UH, YEAH, A COMBINATION OF, UH, TRENDS AND EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION HAS HISTORICALLY USED IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF POOLS PER TOTAL, UH, POPULATION.
AND THEN WE UTILIZE, UH, GIS SYSTEMS TO LOOK AT THAT SEVEN MINUTE RANGE.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN DEPENDING UPON, UH, TIME OF DAY, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, STOPLIGHTS THAT YOU GET STUCK AT AND ALL, AND ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.
BUT, UH, THAT SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE TIME BASED ON, IT'S ALSO BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITIES AS WELL.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER COMMUNITY FACILITY, WE FIND THAT PEOPLE WON'T DRIVE PAST ONE TO GET TO THE NEXT ONE UNLESS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF UNIQUE FEATURE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE DERIVE THE SEVEN MINUTES FROM AND THEN UTILIZE THE GIS SYSTEM TO HELP DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHO'S WITHIN THAT SERVICE AREA OF EACH INDIVIDUAL FACILITY.
UM, YOU MENTIONED GENTLEMEN AGAIN, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT YOUR NAME, SIR.
GEORGE, I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNCILMAN CORCORAN ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT STABILIZING, UM, VISITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND HE SAID, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY OVER TIME THERE'S BEEN A DECREASE THE LAST FEW YEARS THERE'S BEEN A STABILIZATION.
IS THAT SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY YOU WORK WITH A LOT OF, UH, MUNICIPALITIES, I'M ASSUMING AROUND THE US OR AT LEAST AROUND TEXAS.
UM, ARE YOU SEEING THAT KIND OF AS A INDUSTRY, THOSE TRENDS WHERE, YOU KNOW, VERSUS COMPARED TO 20 YEARS AGO, WE JUST DON'T HAVE AS MANY KIDS AS WE USED TO HAVE, IS IT, OR IS IT, DO YOU THINK IT'S MORE CLOSELY RELATED TO THE ACTUAL FACILITY ITSELF? LIKE IS THAT A TREND YOU YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES? IT IS DEFINITELY A TREND AS WE, UH, HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS GOING ON AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
AND WE HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS, UH, FROM
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THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES.UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS THERE.
THE FIRST IS, UH, YES, A TREND OVER TIME OF, YOU KNOW, OLDER POOLS JUST BEING LESS ATTRACTIVE.
UH, A LOT OF IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF AREA PROVIDERS AND NOT NECESSARILY AQUATIC SPECIFIC AREA PROVIDERS, BUT EVEN JUST THE NUMBER AND TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT VENUES THAT HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, POPPED UP IN WITHIN THIS AREA AS WELL AS AROUND, UH, THE COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO FOR THE DAY.
UH, BUT AUSTIN AND I HAVE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS TOGETHER, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AFTER A NEW FACILITY IS BUILT, WE SEE THE OLDER FACILITIES, UH, TAKE AN EVEN SHARPER DECLINE IN ATTENDANCE BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE GRAVITATE TOWARD THE NEWER FACILITY THAN THE OLDER FACILITY.
UM, NEXT QUESTION ON, ON SLIDES 22 AND 23.
CAN WE GO TO SLIDE 22 AND 23? OKAY.
ON THESE TWO GRAPHS, UM, THE VOTING BLOCK THAT IS REPRESENTED IN THIS DATA, IS THIS THE SAME VOTING BLOCK FROM SLIDE 20? IS THAT THE, OR IS THIS A SEPARATE, LIKE IN OTHER WORDS, WERE THOSE QUESTIONS ASKED ALONG WITH THESE OTHER QUESTIONS OR WAS THIS A SEPARATE SURVEY? THEY WERE IN THE SAME SURVEY.
SO IN THAT SURVEY WE HAD 215 RESPONDENTS.
ACCORDING TO THE PRESENTATION, THE, THIS WAS CALCULATED OF A POPULATION OF 125,000 IN THE CITY, WHICH GIVES US A RESPONSE PERCENTAGE OF 0.172.
IS THAT FAIRLY COMMON? I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY, VERY, AGAIN, SORRY FOR MY VOICE, Y'ALL.
I THINK I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TALK BY THE END OF THE NIGHT.
UM, IS THAT LOW OF A RESPONSE RATE FAIRLY COMMON IN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, OR IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A SMALL NUMBER? IT DOES NOW.
I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED JUST BECAUSE THE FIRST SURVEY THAT WE, UH, PUT OUT GOT OVER, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND, UH, RESPONSES.
SO I DO THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN WE TYPICALLY SEE, BUT WE, WE ALSO FIND THAT THE SECOND SURVEY, UH, USUALLY HAS A, DEFINITELY A LOWER PERCENTAGE OF RESPONDENTS THAN, THAN THE FIRST SURVEY.
UH, YOU KNOW, FOR PROBABLY A VARIETY OF REASONS, MAYBE SURVEY FATIGUE OR PEOPLE, PEOPLE DIDN'T SEE IT.
BUT WE DO FIND THAT THE SECOND SURVEY GENERATES LESS RESPONSES THAN THE FIRST ONE.
UM, YVONNE, AT THE, TOWARDS THE END WHERE WE'RE, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE 25, I BELIEVE IT WAS MAYOR WHO ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE EIGHT LANE POOL.
I KNOW IN THE PA PACKET THAT WE RECEIVED, THERE WAS AN APPENDIX THAT DISCUSSED A POSSIBLE DIFFERENCE WITH A, UH, LARGER POOL THAT WAS A 50 YARD POOL.
AND, UH, IN THAT RSD WOULD NEED TO BE A PART OF IT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF OFF THE TABLE BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT APPENDIX A IS KIND OF, IF IT WERE TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, OBVIOUSLY WE'D BRING BACK, BACK TO THE TABLE WITH THAT.
SO EVERYTHING WE'RE LOOKING AT ON PRICE IS EIGHT LANE.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE.
UM, THE, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT, CAN YOU GO TO WHERE THE, WHEN YOU INITIALLY PRESENTED THE A, B, C AND D OPTIONS TO THE ACTUAL OPTIONS TO THE YEAH, THE ACTUAL FOUR OPTIONS WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT, NOT THE C ONE AND C TWO OPTIONS.
SO ON, UH, GO DOWN TO OPTION C.
SO ON THIS OPTION WE HAVE A OPERATING RECOVERY OF 33.89.
OPTION D HAS ALMOST A 2% HIGHER RECOVERY RATE.
NOW, I WOULD THINK THAT HAS A, IT'S A, HAS A ALMOST 2% HIGHER RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
WHAT WAS DETERMINING FACTOR ON CHOOSING OPTION C VERSUS OPTION D? THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE PUBLIC, BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK, THEY, UM, LEANED TOWARDS C MORE SO, WHICH BASED ON EVERYTHING OUR CONSULTANTS CAME BACK TO, AND I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THIS MORE, UH, FOR A COMMUNITY, OUR SIZE, THREE BODIES OF WATER IS REALLY A, A NICE SPOT TO BE.
UM, AND IT ACCOMMODATES MORE OF THE, THE NEEDS, BUT THE PUBLIC INPUT, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER ANY SPECIFIC RATIONALE FROM THE FOLKS I TALKED TO, BUT FELT LIKE C GAVE THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY AND MORE OPTIONS.
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Y'ALL REMEMBER ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM THAT? UH, NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY.UM, YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, THE MAIN SUMMARY THERE.
AND ALSO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT C UM, FOR APOLLO, IT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THE OTHER AREA WE REALLY FELT LIKE WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WERE GONNA MODERNIZE YOUR, YOUR SYSTEM.
APOLLO WAS, THAT WAS THAT LOCATION AND THAT'S REALLY A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IN THE TWO.
AND THEN, UH, OPTION C, YEAH, OPTION C ALSO LEAVES CANYON CREEK, WHICH, UM, WE DID GET FEEDBACK ON THAT AS BEING VERY IMPORTANT TO LEAVE, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS.
SO I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE PRIMARY REASON BETWEEN THE TWO AND AGAIN, THE VOTE.
I, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, IN ALL HONESTY, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, OH, GREAT.
AND I LOOKED AT 'EM CAREFULLY.
I THOUGHT, WELL, D SEEMS TO ME WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
UM, AS MUCH AS I HATE, YOU KNOW, LOSING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POOL, I KNEW WE WERE GONNA LOSE IT.
UH, JUST BECAUSE I, COTTONWOOD IS ONE OF THE LESS UTILIZED, AND I KNOW IT HAS SOME EXPENSIVE, EXPENSIVE, SO I'M AT PEACE WITH THAT PIECE.
BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME OPTION D WOULD'VE BEEN A BETTER OPTION.
I REALLY WISH I COULD HAVE SEEN A D TWO, UH, OPTION WITH THAT INDOOR POOL, UM, ADDED TO IT.
SO COUNCILMAN, MAYBE AS YOU TAKE IT, COULD YOU, COULD YOU HELP US ON, SO I MEAN THIS IS ABOUT REFINING WHAT WOULD BROUGHT YOU, CAN YOU HELP US UNDER WITH SOME, UM, IN, I GUESS, INSIGHT INTO WHAT ABOUT D IS APPEALING VERSUS C? ABSOLUTELY.
SO ONE, OBVIOUSLY THE OPERATING COST IS A DIFFERENCE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, GO UP TO THE, THE FIGURE THAT HAD THE DATA THAT SHOWED, UM, SWIM LESSONS U THE USAGE, AND THERE'S A GRAPH, I FORGET WHAT PAGE FOR OUR CURRENT RECORDS.
ON THIS GRAPH, WE SHOW AN INCREASE SWIM LESSONS AT COTTONWOOD, WE SHOW, UH, SLIGHT DECREASE OF TEAM USAGE, BUT THE LESSONS ARE THERE.
SO IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A DEMAND FOR SWIM LESSONS IN THE AREA.
NOW, THIS IS ALSO PART OF TOWN WHERE WE DO HAVE A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF APARTMENTS.
WELL, A LOT OF, SOME OF THOSE APARTMENTS DO HAVE, I KNOW THE BIG ONE BY MY HOUSE HAS MULTIPLE SWIMMING POOLS.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALL OPEN.
UH, BUT THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT SWIMMING POOLS THAT ALSO SHOWS THAT PEOPLE IN, IN APARTMENTS TEND TO DROWN AT A HIGHER RATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO SWIM LESSONS.
UH, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THIS HIGH AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE, WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
THEY NEED SWIM LESSONS, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO WATER.
AND I AM CONCERNED WITH LOSING THOSE SWIM LESSONS.
AND IT, ON TOP OF THAT, THIS DATA, AND I DON'T THINK YOU TAKE IT INTO THE FORMULA, BUT COTTONWOOD PARK AND I, I FORGET THE OTHER ONE, IS IT GLENVILLE ARE THE ONES THAT CLOSE EARLY.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY OPEN LESS DAYS AND HOURS AS COMPARED TO CANYON CREEK WHO OPEN LATER.
SO IT'S HARD TO COMPARE THIS APPLES TO APPLES WHEN YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS DATA ON A PER DAY BASIS, BECAUSE IT, THIS DOES NOT FACTOR IN THE LESS, THE LESSER DAYS IT'S OPEN AND FOR IT TO HAVE EVEN MORE SWIM LESSONS IN 2024 THAN CANYON CREEK, BUT YET IT'S OPEN A LOT LESS.
AND WHEN WE REMOVE, AND I'M OKAY WITH REMOVING A POOL, I JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU ADD THAT, I'M CONCERNED THAT, UM, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO CANYON CREEK BECAUSE HEIGHTS IS NOT OFFERING TEAMS OR LESSONS.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO CANYON CREEK FOR TEAMS OR LESSONS.
AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM.
AND I DON'T, OR I GUESS HEAD EAST, I'M, I THINK FROM THE ROA STANDPOINT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME LEAVING NO POOL AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS OF HOMES, OF PEOPLE, OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE SWIM LESSONS AS FAR AS THE MONEY, UH, TO AFFORD SWIM LESSONS LIKE I WAS ABLE TO DO WITH MY SON.
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I, I THINK THAT, TO ME, IT BECOMES AN EQUITY ISSUE.SO I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS NOW.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE ONE OF THE GREATS, AND I DON'T TAKE MY LINE OF QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I ABSOLUTELY ADORE WHAT YOU, YOUR STAFF DO, BUT I, THIS IS A KIND OF A HARD ONE TO SWALLOW FOR ME.
DOES SO, SO LET ME, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ON C, THEY WOULD'VE TO GO TO CANYON CREEK FOR SWIM LESSONS ON D THEY WOULD'VE TO GO TO GLENVILLE FOR SWIM LESSONS.
I'M SORRY, ON D THEY, YEAH, THEY D THEY WOULD'VE TO GO TO GLENVILLE FOR SWIM LESSONS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU PREFER D BECAUSE THEY WOULD GO TO GLENVILLE FOR SWIM LESSONS? NO, I PREFER, I PREFER D BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE MORE EQUITABLE FOR ME.
UM, I, I DON'T SEE WHY CANYON CREEK IS BEING LEFT OPEN AND WE'RE NOT BEING LEFT OPEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT YET WE HAVE MORE SWIM LESSONS AND THERE'S A HIGHER NEED.
BUT I, I'D LIKE TO EITHER YVONNE OR THE CONSULTANTS, I, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THAT POINT.
THERE WERE OTHER FACTORS IN ADDITION TO SWIM LESSONS THAT WERE, UH, LOOKED THAT WERE EVALUATED.
SO CAN SOMEBODY SPEAK TO THE SEVERAL OTHER FACTORS THAT WERE LOOKED AT AND HOW YOU LOOKED AT ALL THOSE IN TOTALITY TO REACH THIS RECOMMENDATION? THANK YOU.
SO I DO THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, FACTORS.
UH, NUMBER ONE IS THAT BOTH COTTONWOOD AND AND HEIGHTS DO HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A COMMON SERVICE AREA.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO HAVE OVERLAPPING, UH, SERVICE AREAS.
PLUS WHEN, UH, FRETS PARK OPENED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, COTTONWOOD POOL SAW A PRETTY SHARP DECLINE.
AND I, I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE, IF COTTONWOOD, YOU KNOW, BECOMES A SPRAY GROUND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO OFFER LESSONS AT THE HEIGHTS FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER.
YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE THE FOUR LANE POOL THERE THAT COULD BE ABLE TO ABSORB SOME OF THOSE LESSONS STILL WITHIN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY CLOSE PROXIMITY, UH, TO COTTONWOOD.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT WE LOOKED AT JUST WITH COTTONWOOD, YOU KNOW, SHOWING A SHARP DECLINE IN ATTENDANCE WHEN, UH, FRETS OPENED.
AND SO YOU HAVE FRETS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT'S ALREADY COVERING SOME OF THAT AREA WITH A MODERN FACILITY.
YOU HAVE HEIGHTS COVERING SOME OF THAT AREA WITH A MODERN FACILITY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, COTTONWOOD, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE MIDDLE, WHICH DOES DO THE SWIM LESSONS.
BUT, UH, I DO THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAYBE SHIFT THOSE LESSONS TO, UH, THE HEIGHTS FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER.
AND, AND I WANNA MAKE, I WANT TO CLARIFY, UH, MR. MAGNER JUST, IT'S NOT ANY ONE THING.
AND I, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME UNEASY AND HARD TO SWALLOW.
I THINK IT'S THAT A MIX OF, UM, I MEAN THE COST AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ON THE BOND, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT, WHAT DECIDES IT.
BUT IT'S THAT PIECE OF IT IS THE FACT THAT, I MEAN, EVEN THE CONSULTANTS, WELL, YOU KNOW, BASED ON FEEDBACK, BUT YET WE'RE DEALING WITH A 1.72 RESPONSE FEEDBACK THAT'S NOT MUCH A FEEDBACK.
UM, AND IF WE EVEN FACTOR THE VARIATION, IT'S EVEN SMALLER.
IF, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DECISION FOR A SMALL VARIANCE THERE BETWEEN THOSE DECIDING FACTORS.
SO I, I'M NOT JUST SAYING IT'S THAT, I'M SAYING IT'S KIND OF A MIXTURE OF IT ALL IS HARD TO SOLVE.
NOW, WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE LOT OF FRIENDS WHO, UH, I KNOW NOT JUST FRIENDS.
I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM MY, MY SON FOR YEARS.
I KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT WE NEED AN INDOOR POOL.
AND I KNOW THAT, UH, ONE SPLASH PADS, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS ARE LONGER.
WE HAVE MORE USAGE DAYS, OBVIOUSLY ARE, ARE, UH, ONGOING COSTS ARE LOWER.
I GUESS I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE LEAVING IT IN CAN CREEK, ESPECIALLY EVERYWHERE.
I MEAN, HECK, I THINK ALMOST ALL MY FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN CAN CREEK HAVE A POOL IN THEIR BACKYARD WITH AN EXCEPTION.
UM, THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF POOLS BACK THERE AND ON TOP OF THE, THE CLUB ITSELF, UH, WHICH IS PROBABLY UNAFFORDABLE TO MANY, BUT, UM, THAT'S STILL AN OPTION.
UM, IT, IT IS JUST A HARD ONE TO SWALLOW.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, I I THINK THAT, UM, SPLASH PADS ARE A GREAT WAY TO GO.
I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT WAY OF THINKING.
I'M GLAD WE'RE HEADING THAT DIRECTION.
I'M GLAD WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EIGHT LANE INDOOR.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING A LOT OF, WITHOUT HAVING TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MUCH BIGGER THAT WE CAN'T, UH, AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO RUN AS A CITY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT HOMEWORK AHEAD OF TIME
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AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UH, MAYOR AND, UH, DON, CITY MANAGER WITH, UH, RSD FOR HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT STUFF TO GET OUT.I KNOW WE NEED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.
I KNOW THAT GOT WHAT WAS GONNA BE, BUT I'M JUST STRUGGLING AT THE VERY LEAST, IF THIS IS WHAT GOES FORWARD, I ASK THAT WE AS A CITY, ESPECIALLY AS, UM, LOOK AT THOSE APARTMENTS AND SAY, OKAY, HOW CAN WE PARTNER WITH MAYBE SOME OF OUR CORPORATE PARTNERS, UM, AND HOW DO WE PARTNER WITH THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO PROVIDE SOME MORE SWIMMING AND ACCESS TO THAT, UM, ONE KIDS THAT NEED IT THE MOST, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A POOL THERE ARE GETTING ACCESS TO SWIM LESSONS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE OF, YOU KNOW, AND TEACHING KIDS TO SWIM IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS IMPORTANT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION FROM COUNCILMAN CORCORAN'S, UH, COMMENTS MADE ME THINK OF IT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE RENOVATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS, OUR EXISTING POOLS, UH, I THINK IN THE MASTER PLAN AND IN THE PRESENTATION WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE USABLE LIFE IS 40 YEARS AND WE'RE 20 PLUS YEARS BEYOND THAT AT THIS POINT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION FOR SPRAY GROUNDS.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, EVEN ON A RENO RENOVATION OF, OF CANYON CREEK, HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT WE CAN ACTUALLY EXTEND THE LIVES OF, OF THOSE POOLS? UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA THROW MONEY AT, AT CANYON CREEK OR WHATEVER, POOLS STAY OPEN, BUT WE'RE ALREADY 20 PLUS YEARS PAST THEIR USABLE LIFE.
UM, IS IT THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE DO WE REACH THAT BREAKING POINT? IT IS, IT IS HARD TO SAY WHEN YOU UNDERTAKE A RENOVATION LIKE THAT, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE STILL UNSEEN.
UH, SO WHAT WE DO IS, UH, YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, TESTING, UH, WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING FOR THE RENOVATION, YOU KNOW, GROUND PENETRATING RADAR THAT CAN HELP DETERMINE IF THERE'S VOIDS UNDERNEATH THE, THE POOL STRUCTURE.
UH, BUT WE USUALLY SEE THAT A MECHANICAL RENOVATION, YOU KNOW, CAN BE A 15 YEAR SOLUTION.
BUT WHAT THAT, UH, DOESN'T COVER IS SOME OTHER TYPE OF CRITICAL FAILURE THAT COULD OCCUR.
AND, AND USUALLY THOSE CRITICAL FAILURES OCCUR WITH SOME TYPE OF UNDERGROUND PIPING OR WITH THE POOL STRUCTURE ITSELF, WHERE YOU HAVE A MAJOR CRACK, YOU START, UH, YOU KNOW, LOSING FIVE TO 10,000 GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY.
AND THEN, UH, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO UNDER UNDERGO SUBSTANTIAL, UH, RENOVATION OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, INTERIM FIXES TO MAKE IT THROUGH AN A FEW MORE COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE YOU, UH, GET A NEW FACILITY ONLINE.
BUT, UH, FROM A MECHANICAL SIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A 15 YEAR SOLUTION, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS THAT COULD OCCUR, BUT ARE AT THIS TIME, STILL UNKNOWN.
AND PRESUMABLY THERE'S, I GUESS NO WAY TO KNOW THOSE THINGS JUST SORT OF HAPPEN.
UM, AND YOU'RE UNLUCKY WHEN THEY, WHEN IT HAPPENS.
I, I GUESS THAT LEADS TO MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS THERE'S NO INDICIA IF WE WERE TO DO CANYON CREEK, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY FOR YOU TO TEST FOR THAT SORT OF UNKNOWN, I GUESS IS, IS THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING THAT WE'VE REPLACED THE MECHANICAL, WE'RE GOOD FOR 15 YEARS, BUT THAT DOESN'T SPEAK TO SOME RANDOM THING THAT COULD POP UP, CORRECT? YES.
SORRY, I GOT MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON MY LAST QUESTION HERE.
YOU KNOW, SO GOING BACK TO, TO BRECKENRIDGE PARK AND THE SPLASH PAD UP THERE, HOW MUCH MORE ROOM IS THERE AT BRECKENRIDGE FOR ADDITIONAL FACILITIES? I MEAN, I THINK THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS PUTTING A SPLASH PAD THERE ABSENT SOMETHING LIKE A REC CENTER, NOT EVEN NECESSARILY A REC CENTER AT THE POOL.
I MEAN, IS THAT A SPLASH PAD FACILITY TO THE EXCLUSION OF SOMETHING ELSE? OR IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM SORT OF EITHER ON THE MARGINS OF THE PARK OR ELSEWHERE THAT WE COULD DO OTHER PROJECTS? THERE IS.
THERE, THERE WAS A MASTER PLAN DONE FOR BRECKENRIDGE, UM, MANY YEARS AGO.
UH, BUT THERE IS SPACE THAT IS NOT ON THE LANDFILL THAT CAN BE BUILT, UH, FOR A RECREATION CENTER.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DRAWN OUT AT, AT ONE POINT.
ONE LAST QUESTION I HAS BEEN KIND OF FLOATING AROUND IN MY MIND SINCE WHAT YOU AND MR. MAGNER TALKED ABOUT.
IS THERE ANY PO POSSIBILITY, NOT NECESSARILY FROM A CAPITAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY TO PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO WHERE WE COULD, I GUESS I'M GONNA SAY LEASE TIME ON AN, ON THEIR INDOOR AUDITORIUMS AND POTENTIALLY SAVE EVEN THE DISCUSSION OF A, OF US HAVING TO BUILD
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A CLOSED, UM, OR A ENCLOSED POOL? IS THAT AN OPTION? LET MAYOR IS MAYOR, I'M GONNA LET MAYOR DEBY SPEAK TO THIS, BUT, UH, MY TAKEAWAY FROM OUR DISCUSSION WITH TAB IS THAT THEY ARE SCHEDULED, YOU KNOW, TIP, TIP TO STERN MOR EARLY MORNING TO, TO LATE AFTERNOON.MAYOR, YOU WANNA, I I CAN SAY HAVING ONCE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR SCHEDULING ALL THAT, IT IS, UH, IT'S A COMPLEX PUZZLE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE BOYS, GIRLS, JV BOYS, VARSITY BOYS, JV GIRLS, VARSITY GIRLS ON EACH HIGH SCHOOL, SO YOU HAVE FOUR TEAMS PER HIGH SCHOOL THAT ARE TRYING TO GET IN TO THE POOL OR POOLS.
NOW, THE WAY THEY USED TO DO IT WAS YOU'VE HAD A JV TEAM GO REALLY, REALLY EARLY OR GO IN THE AFTERNOON AND YOU'D HAVE THE VARSITY TEAM GO MID-MORNING AND BE OUT IN TIME FOR FIRST PERIOD.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THE SENIOR AQUATICS WOULD COME FROM THE PARKS AND FROM THE PEOPLE THE CITY WAS SENDING OVER.
AND THEY'D HAVE A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY.
THE CITY WOULD, FROM ABOUT 9:00 AM 8:39 AM UP TILL NOON-ISH.
AND THEN THINGS WOULD START OVER AGAIN IN THE AFTERNOON FOR THE OTHER, UM, SCHOOL KIDS.
IT WOULD BE COMING AFTERWARDS.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO IT.
AND IF THEY ONLY HAD TWO SCHOOLS, I MEAN TWO POOLS, THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT TWO SCHOOLS IN EACH POOL, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER EIGHT AT EACH ONE.
SO, UH, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING THE TIME.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA THROW IN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POOLS OR POOL WATER, COMPETITION, WATER, THERAPEUTIC WATER, LEISURE WATER, AND YOU START ADDING ALL THOSE UP, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT GONNA STOP AND, AND WHAT IS IT WE WANT TO PROVIDE? AND SO IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE DID TALK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT PARTNERING AND MAYBE PARTNERING USING SOME OF THEIR LAND AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO DO IT.
AND THE END RESULT, THE CAPACITY AND THE BONDS WERE THERE FOR BOTH IF WE COULD MATCH 'EM UP.
BUT WHO WOULD USE IT WHEN YOU'D USE IT? AND THEN WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THE CONSTANT UPKEEP? THE UPKEEP IS PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE DOWN THE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED QUESTION ASK, BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT.
NO, I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT, I MEAN, AS Y'ALL TALKED THROUGH THAT, I THOUGHT, WELL, IF THEY'RE PUTTING IN TWO AND KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY PART OF THEIR DAY IS OBVIOUSLY NOT BOOKED.
AND KIND OF TO YOUR POINT ABOUT SENIOR AND ALL.
SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THOUGHT IF IT WAS AT ALL AN OPTION, WE OUGHT TO CAPTURE IT IN THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION.
I'M NOT, WELL, IN A PERFECT WORLD, IF YOU DEFINE COMPETITION, THEN YOU'RE NOT ONLY GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE POOL, THEN YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A DIVING POOL, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE SWIM MEETS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, INTERS, SCHOLASTIC LEAGUES AND THEM DO.
SO YOU BE, YOU JUST START ADDING THINGS ON TOP AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, YOU NEED TO DO IT RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT MY FIRST DEAL, IF IT'S A DESTINATION, THEN WE NEED TO TREAT IT AS A DESTINATION AND HAVE ENOUGH SEATING AND HAVE ENOUGH POOLS AND ENOUGH COMPETITION TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
JUST, JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT MAYBE IF THERE'S A CHANCE WE AT LEAST OUGHT TO CAPTURE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL ON THE TABLE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO OFFER UP A RECAP THAT I THINK HOPEFULLY MIGHT BE RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
UH, CAN YOU GO TO, UM, OPTION, UM, WELL EITHER C ONE OR C TWO? ACTUALLY GO TO C ONE FIRST.
SO, UH, IN AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, UH, BE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT, WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, A VARIATION ON THIS C ONE OPTION COULD BE TO RENOVATE THE HEIGHTS AQUATIC OR RENOVATE HEIGHTS AND, UM, LEAVE CANYON CREEK UP IN THE AIR FOR RIGHT NOW.
IT COULD BE TO RENOVATE CANYON CREEK, OR IT COULD BE TO INSTALL A SPLASH PAD.
WE CAN AS AND, AND MARON'S GONNA GO TO THE PHASING IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A MULTI-YEAR, UH, MULTIPLE YEARS BEFORE WE'LL GET TO THAT DECISION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN LEAVE THAT AS AN OPTION, BUILD IN THE FLEXIBILITY TO TRY TO BE RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA DO EITHER ONE, THAT, THAT THE PLAN SAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO EITHER ONE.
IT MEANS BOTH CAN BE CONSIDERED, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION ON BOTH C ONE, UM, AND YVONNE GO TO C TWO.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S NO REASON THAT COULDN'T BE AN OPTION ON C ONE AND C TWO AND THEN, UM, TO FURTHER BE RESPONSIVE.
UM, NOW, NOW THAT I'VE GONE BACK AND RE RETHOUGHT IT, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A C3, UM, AGAIN, TO BE RESPONSIVE TO BOTH, UH,
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COUNCILMAN HUTCHER RIDER AND, UM, JUSTICE'S COMMENTS.IF, UM, THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A AQUATIC CENTER IN CONJUNCTION WITH A REC CENTER AT BRECKENRIDGE, THEN, THEN THAT WOULD NECESSITATE RETHINKING, UM, TERRACE OR GLENVILLE.
AND SO WE COULD HAVE THAT AS A C3.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF COALESCE WHAT AROUND WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
IT PROVIDES US WITH MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY.
NONE OF THOSE DECISION POINTS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED HAVE TO BE DECIDED UNTIL THEY HAVE TO BE DECIDED.
UM, BUT IT, IT SIGNALS, HOPEFULLY IT'S RESPONSIVE TO WHAT YOU'VE SHARED AND IT KIND OF SIGNALS WHAT WE WOULD BE, UH, MAYBE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE.
IS THAT, THAT SOUND GOOD? SOUNDS GOOD.
IS THAT AGREEABLE TO YOU GUYS? YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT C3 OPTION.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A RECREATION CENTER AND AQUATIC CENTER AT BRECKENRIDGE MM-HMM
WHAT IS THE THOUGHT FOR GLENVILLE AND APOLLO? IS THAT A SPLASH PAD OR A POOL? POOL? OKAY.
IS THAT TRUE? NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
IF WE'RE DOING BRECKENRIDGE, I THINK WE HAVE TO LEAVE TARIFFS OR GLENVILLE OPEN.
I THINK YOU CAN STILL DO APOLLO, BUT I THINK ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL TO STAY OPEN.
I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD TOO, I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN FOR APOLLO, WE JUST SAID GENERIC FUTURE CITY FACILITY.
SO IF THERE'S ENOUGH COVERAGE MM-HMM
AND THERE'S A NEED FOR A SPOT FOR SOMETHING ELSE MM-HMM
I MEAN, IT REALLY DOES PROVIDE THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY AROUND, I MEAN, A LOT OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF BOTH C ONE AND C TWO SEEM PRETTY, UM, PRETTY GREED UPON.
AND THESE, THIS WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO, TO REALLY LOOK AT THESE AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN WE COME TO THOSE, THOSE DECISIONS, IF WE BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK, DO YOU THINK WE CAN, I THINK MR. MAGNA, YOU WERE ABLE TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER AND I THINK EVERYONE WOULD SUPPORT THAT, UH, DIRECTION.
CAN I ASK MR. SHEP, I KNOW YOU HAVE LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, I ENJOYED ALL THOSE QUESTION AND ANSWER, UH, THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.
BUT I'M GONNA ASK YOU A VERY BASIC QUESTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PROBABLY DISCUSSED.
AND JUST TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE SPRAY GROUND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE VERY, YOU KNOW, EXCITING THINGS.
CAN YOU TELL, YOU KNOW, HOW THE SIZE OF THE SPRAY GROUND AND THE CAPACITY AND WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THE SPRAY GROUND? YEAH.
SO DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT THE SIZE OF THE SPRAY GROUND AND ELEMENTS? YEAH.
WE DIDN'T, UH, WE PURPOSELY STAYED AWAY FROM DESIGNING THE SPRAY GROUND AT ANY SPECIFIC PARK BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THAT TIME.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COMBINATION OF VERTICAL SPRAYS OUT OF THE GROUND.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FROM A GEYER STANDPOINT YOU WOULD HAVE SOME VERTICAL ELEMENT, UH, AND THEN SOME SUPPORT SHADE FEATURES.
IT, IT'S REALLY, YOU REALLY NEED TO SITE ADAPT THEM TO EACH SITE DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND SO, UH, NOT DESIGNED AT THIS POINT, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE A NICE COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE ELEMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, PAD SIZES CAN RANGE, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM 3000 AND UP, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, MAYBE LARGER.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN HOW YOU DESIGN THOSE, BUT WE TYPICALLY WANNA LOOK AT THE SITE AND RELATE THOSE TO THE SITE ITSELF.
SO THAT COMES WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, NEW RESTROOMS AND OTHER THINGS NEAR, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME AREA.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN A LOT OF THESE IS, UM, LIKE BRECKEN RIDGE WOULD HAVE A NEW RESTROOM IF WE COULD RETROFIT EXISTING RESTROOMS THAT ARE ON SITE, UH, WE WOULD DO THAT.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THOSE FACILITIES NEARBY FOR, UH, FOR PATRONS TO USE THOSE.
UM, SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT KEEPING SOME RESTROOMS IN THOSE AREAS.
NOW, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE $2.5 MILLION THINGS YOU MENTIONED? YEAH.
UH, 2.5 MILLION WOULD, WOULD BE THE BUDGET.
WE WOULD BUDGET FOR THESE SPRAY GROUNDS.
IT'D BE THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, INCLUDING DESIGN, UH, SURVEY ENGINEERING, ALL THAT STUFF.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY SPRAY GROUND CAN YOU, I KNOW THAT SOME OPTION YOU HAD, WHAT, FOUR OR FIVE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW MANY, WHAT WAS QUESTION? YEAH, SO ALTOGETHER WHEN YOU LOOK AT C ONE OR C TWO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE PL SPRAY GROUNDS.
UM, IT'S 2.5 PER SPRAY GROUND EXCEPT FOR BRECKENRIDGE, WHICH WOULD BE THE 3 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S A BRAND NEW RESTROOM BEING BUILT.
UM, OKAY, SO 2.5 PAR PER, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S LOTS OF ZERO AFTER 2 25.
SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT HAS PROBABLY SOME INFLATION NUMBER BUILT IN IT FOR HOW MANY YEARS.
YOU ARE SAYING THAT THOSE ARE FOR TODAY'S DOLLARS, SO PART OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER THE INFLATION DOLLARS AS WELL.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS JUST, UH, WENT
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THROUGH THIS PROCESS A FEW YEARS BACK WITH THEIR SPRAY GROUND.WE TOOK, UH, KIND OF THOSE AVERAGE SIZE SPRAY GROUND AND APPLIED HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL, LIKE YVONNE MENTIONED, WE WILL APPLY SOME, UH, INFLATION NUMBERS FOR, YOU KNOW, FUTURE YEARS OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD THAT OUT A FEW YEARS.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A SURPRISE BY THE PRICE TAG.
CAN YOU KIND OF ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S, UH, WHAT DRIVES THAT 2.5 MILLION? I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE FUN STUFF MAYBE THAT YOU SEE NECESSARILY ABOVE YEAH, ABOVE THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPRAY GROUNDS REALLY.
THERE'S A RECIRCULATING SYSTEM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A POOL, UH, THAT CIRCULATES YOUR WATER, UM, REUSES THE WATER.
UH, IT HAS A LOT OF FILTRATION EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S ALSO WHAT WE WOULD CALL A PASS THROUGH SYSTEM, WHICH IS USING POTABLE WATER, NO FILTRATION, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T REUSE YOUR WATER.
SO THERE'S A, A LITTLE BIT OF WASTE, UH, WATER WASTE THERE.
WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE IS A RECIRCULATED SYSTEM.
SO YOU'RE HAVING THE PUMPS, THE FILTRATION EQUIPMENT, ALL OF THE, ALL THAT STUFF THAT GOES INTO THAT, UH, CAPITAL COST.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY FUNCTIONS AS A, A POOL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, MECHANICALLY AS A POOL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE BODY OF WATER THAT A POOL WOULD'VE.
SO THAT DRIVES THE COST UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THAT WE ARE SAVING SOME WATER, UH, BUT SPENDING LOTS OF OTHER MATERIAL OR FILTRATION, UH, THE ELECTRIC AND OTHER THINGS OPERATING.
SO ON THE SURFACE, SOMETIMES IT LOOKS LIKE, YES, WE'RE DOING LOTS OF RECYCLING, BUT BEHIND THE SCENE, RECYCLING, REALLY, I'M NOT SEEING THIS ONE, BUT I HAVE SEEN PROJECTS OVER THE, ALL OVER THE WORLD.
SOMETIMES THAT RECYCLING REALLY KILLS, YOU KNOW, SOME LOTS OF THINGS BEHIND THE SCENE.
SO I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE COST ANALYZES, MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THE RETURN VERSUS MAYBE WE'RE SAVING WATERS, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE WASTING LOTS OF ENERGY ON OTHER SIDES, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF THING.
SO HOPEFULLY DECISION WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE KIND OF DECISION TODAY, IT WOULD BE DESIGNED AND DECIDED LATER ON THAT BUDGET WOULD BE CONTROLLING THAT TIME.
SO WE DON'T ANYTHING THOSE THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TOMORROW.
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN SOMETIMES LATER ON.
SO WHAT THE, THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU MENTIONED, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME THINGS TO 2, 2, 2 0.5 YEARS? THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? DO YOU WANT THAT ONE OR YOU WANT ME TO? EITHER WAY YOU STARTED, I CAN ADD IN.
SO FOR THE TIMEFRAME, UH, LOOKING AT THE SHORT TERM THAT IS THE HEIGHTS RENOVATION, BUT THE MEDIUM TERM, THREE TO FIVE YEARS, THAT'S BASED ON IT GOING TO AS A BOND PROJECT, ASSUMING THAT IT'S APPROVED TO GO AS A BOND PROJECT, AND THEN FROM THE TIME THAT'S APPROVED THAT WE COULD START THE, THE BUILDING.
SO IT WOULD BE A DESIGN AND THEN BUILD PROCESS.
SO THE REALITY IS WE COULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE COTTONWOOD AND BRECKENRIDGE, UH, BUILT WITHIN THAT THREE TO FIVE TIMEFRAME FROM THE TIME THAT THE BOND IS APPROVED.
THIS COUNT, THIS SCHEDULE IS DRIVEN BY FUNDING.
THIS, THIS IS, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY HAPPEN, LIKE OKAY.
SO IT HAS SOME OTHER CONDITION YEAH.
I THINK THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING ALL THIS HARD WORK.
JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
I APOLOGIZE IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.
UM, SPLASH PADS, FROM WHAT I RECALL, DON'T, AREN'T GONNA HAVE A, UH, A FENCE AROUND THEM.
SO THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE NOT ON SAY IN THE WINTER OR EARLY SPRING, UM, THEY'RE OPEN LIKE, AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO RENT 'EM OUT.
THEY HAVE A SPLASH PAD BIRTHDAY PARTY, LIKE WE CAN HEIGHTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? NO, OUR INTENTION WOULD BE THAT IT IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, THERE IS A, A SEASON THAT IT WOULD BE OPEN.
TYPICALLY, YOU'RE SEEING THESE OPEN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, IN MAY, AND THEN THEY CAN CLOSE IN SEPTEMBER.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS RENTALS, WE WOULD NOT DO THAT JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER WAYS OF GENERATING BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE NEW FACILITIES.
UM, TO, TO KIND OF JUMP ONTO WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM WAS ASKING, UM, WAS IT, DID YOU SHOW US WHAT OUR OPERATIONAL SAVINGS ARE UNDER THIS NEW PLAN PER YEAR? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE SAVINGS AS FAR AS OPERATING A SPLASH BAG OF COTTONWOOD VERSUS A POOL AT COTTONWOOD OR ANY OF THESE OTHER LOCATIONS? YEAH, SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING, UH, BUDGETS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS EXISTING ARE IN BETWEEN 110 AND $130,000 ON AVERAGE.
UH, AND THAT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR UTILITY COST, I BELIEVE.
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SO, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, SPRAY GROUND BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL RANGE IS ABOUT 18 TO, TO $25,000 PER SEASON.UH, MAINLY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, UH, CHEMICAL USAGE ARE THE TWO, UH, BIGGEST CATEGORIES THAT WE LOOK AT.
AND SO THERE IS PROBABLY A SAVINGS OF ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, PER LOCATION.
PER YEAR, PER LOCATION, CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT IS THAT 80% OF BUDGET SAVINGS ON OPERATION.
[7. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-25, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT ON A 0.85-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED O/C OFFICE/COMMERCIAL WITHIN A 3,000-SQUARE FOOT EXISTING LEASE SPACE LOCATED AT 508 CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD, WEST OF AUDELIA ROAD. ]
BRINGS US TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 25, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, UH, LOCATED AT 5 0 8 CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD, MR. MAGNER.UH, DEREK PETERS, OUR SENIOR PLANNER IS GONNA PRESENT BOTH CASES TONIGHT.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SUBSEQUENT TO DEREK'S PRESENTATION.
DEREK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
SO ZONING FILE 24 25 IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE AT 5 0 8 CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTENNIAL, WEST OF ELIA ROAD AND EAST OF WHITEHALL DRIVE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS 0.8 ACRES AND IS SEW OC OFFICE COMMERCIAL.
SO THESE, THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE TODAY, AS SEEN FROM CENTENNIAL.
LOOKING AT THIS PHOTO ON THE LEFT AND THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, LOOKING AT THE EAST ELEVATION.
HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN THE WEST ELEVATION TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS SITE.
UM, PRIOR TO 2018, THIS SITE WAS, UM, IN THE TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM ZONING DISTRICT, UH, AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN 2018, UH, BEFORE THE SITE WAS REZONED INTO THE CURRENT DAY ZONING.
AND WHILE IT WAS STILL IN THE TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM ZONING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN THAT WA SHOWED A, A PROPOSAL FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT.
AT THE TIME, UNDER THE TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM ZONING ORDINANCE DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS WERE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
UM, IN 2018, THE APPLICANT PROCEEDED TO, UH, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
THEY ADDED A 2000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, MAKING A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IN TOTAL, UH, THAT ENTAILS TWO INDIVIDUAL SUITES, A 3000 SQUARE FOOT SUITE, AND A 2000 SQUARE FOOT SUITE.
ALSO, AT THE TIME IN 2018, IN ADDITION TO THAT BUILDING ADDITION, UH, THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL PARKING ON SITE TO, UH, SUPPORT THE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT.
THEY ADDED A DRIVE THROUGH A DUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND ADDED ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.
UH, AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS WERE COMPLETE, THE ORIGINALLY INTENDED TENANT DID NOT OCCUPY THE BUILDING.
SO BECAUSE THE TENANT DID NOT OCCUPY THE BUILDING AND ESTABLISHED THE DRIVE-THROUGH USE, THOSE RIGHTS WERE DEEMED ABANDONED.
SO IN LATER IN 2018, THAT'S THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WERE REZONED INTO THE, UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT GOVERNS THE PROPERTY TODAY.
SO A SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE SIMILAR TO, UH, UH, EVERY OTHER PROPERTY IN THIS CITY, WHICH ALSO REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THAT.
SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, AND IT'S THE SAME SITE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN IN 2018.
SO THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO, UH, LEASE THE SPOT TO HARRAH'S COFFEE HOUSE.
THIS IS A YEMENI COFFEE SHOP THAT SERVES DRINKS AND PASTRIES.
SO THEY WILL OCCUPY THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT SWEET SPACE ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
ON THE UH, WESTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE IS OCCUPIED BY BUSINESS OFFICE.
THIS RESTAURANT WILL HAVE SEATING INSIDE IN ADDITION TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM AND THEY ANTICIPATE THEIR PEAK TIMES TO BE IN THE MORNINGS BETWEEN 8:00 AM TO 9:00 AM.
SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT, UH, SHOWS SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS AS IT PERTAINS TO CIRCULATION ON SITE.
SO ACCESS TO CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE DRIVEWAYS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND WEST.
THOSE DRIVEWAYS CONNECT TO A MUTUAL
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ACCESS EASEMENT THAT RUNS BETWEEN THESE PROPERTIES AND BETWEEN MANY OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD.DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC WILL ENTER FROM THE WEST AND PROCEED COUNTERCLOCKWISE TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.
THEN THEY WILL EXIT EITHER TO THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT, THE NORTH TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING.
14 VEHICLES CAN STACK ON SITE IN TOTAL.
AND AS YOU SEE IN THIS CONCEPT PLAN, THERE ARE 10 THAT ARE SHOWN THAT CAN BE STACKED IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES THEMSELVES.
UH, A RESTAURANT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ONE PARKING SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET, A FLOOR AREA.
SO WITH THE RESTAURANT AND OFFICE COMBINED, A TOTAL OF 36 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED ON SITE AND 51 ARE PROVIDED IN TOTAL.
UM, ADDITIONAL SITE MODIFICATIONS TO, UH, SUPPORT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT WILL INCLUDE AN ADDITION OF A MENU BOARD IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES, AS WELL AS A SPEAKER ORDERING SYSTEM.
HERE'S A PHOTO OF LOOKING FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, LOOKING TO THE SOUTH WHERE THERE IS A, UH, A RES RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOME, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S EXIST, THERE IS AN EXISTING SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY SCREENING WALL IN THE REAR.
UM, ALSO BEFORE THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, STAFF DID HEAR SOME CONCERN ABOUT POTENTIAL, UM, ISSUES WITH NOISE BLEEDING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I'VE INCLUDED HERE A SNAPSHOT FROM OUR NOISE, NOISE ORDINANCE WHERE WE HAVE VARIOUS, UH, LEVELS OF, WE HAVE STANDARDS BASED ON VARIOUS LEVELS OF DECIBELS THAT A BUSINESS MAY HAVE ON SITE AND THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE AT THE PROPERTY LINE SO THAT THERE'S NO, UM, NUISANCE AND BLEEDING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE.
SO AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, THE STAFF CITY STAFF DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER NEUTRAL TO THE REQUEST.
UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE LETTERS IN SUPPORT IN TOTAL, AND TWO OF THOSE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY AS HANDOUTS.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED 13 STATEMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST IN TOTAL.
AND THOSE, UH, STATEMENTS IN OPPOSITION WERE PRIMARILY CONCERNED ABOUT ISSUES LIKE TRAFFIC NOISE, WHICH I MENTIONED, UM, LIGHT POLLUTION AND LITTER.
AT THE NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024 MEETING, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED SIX TO ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION I PROVIDED TODAY.
AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, THAT THE, INCLUDES A CONDITION THAT THE SPECIAL PERMIT WILL BE LIMITED TORA COFFEE SHOP, AND IF APPROVED, THEY MUST OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WITHIN 180 DAYS, UH, OR ELSE THAT SPECIAL PERMIT WOULD EXPIRE.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, MR. CORCORAN, UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.
JUST, UM, DEREK, CAN YOU REMIND ME OR CAN SOMEONE ON STAFF REMIND ME, THIS PROPERTY LOOKS REALLY FAMILIAR.
DID IT WIN A COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARD? IS THAT, DO WE REMEMBER? IT DID.
AND IF YOU SEE THE FRONT OF THE ELEVATION AGAIN, YOU MIGHT, UM, SEE THAT THEY DID, UH, OKAY.
IN THAT, WITH THOSE ENHANCEMENTS.
ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER NOW.
I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY BIKE RACKS OR ANYTHING.
IT LOOKED LIKE ANYTHING THAT I COULD SEE.
IS THERE SOMETHING PROPOSED THERE? DID I JUST MISS IT IN THE PRINTS THAT WAS, THAT WERE SENT? NO, THAT WASN'T SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADD THOSE BIKE RACKS THERE BASED ON THE REQUIRED PARKING.
THEY WEREN'T VESTED INTO BEING OMITTED FROM THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT WHEN THEY SUBMIT DEVELOPMENT PLANS, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PUT A BACK, A BIKE RACK TO MEET THOSE NEEDS.
AND IS THERE A ROUTE, DO, ARE I, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER.
ARE THEY REQUIRED TO, TO SHOW A ROUTE TO GET TO THOSE BIKE RACKS OR IS IT JUST THE BIKE RACKS THEMSELVES? I THINK IT'S JUST THE BIKE RACKS.
UM, DEREK, UH, I, COUPLE QUESTIONS FIRST OF ALL, BUT THAT'S GORGEOUS BUILDING.
I DROVE BY IT TODAY AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, IT'S SO PRETTY.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE.
'CAUSE I GUESS I DIDN'T CATCH THIS EARLIER, BUT THE SLIDE, OH, THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE, UH, AERIAL OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY MM-HMM
UH, NEXT, KEEP ON WITH THE GREEN SQUARE.
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SO WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, I SAW ONE LANE, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF SHOWS A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY.SO IS THE SECONDARY LANE WHERE WE SEE THAT ARROW AND THEN THAT INSIDE LANE IS THE SECOND LANE? YES.
BECAUSE WHEN I DROVE THAT TODAY, THAT APPEARED TO BE LIKE A LOADING DOCK OF SOME SORT, KIND OF A ACCESS TYPE AREA.
IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A DEFINED DRIVE-THROUGH.
SO ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TWO SPEAKERS OUT THERE? IS IT LIKE WHEN I GO THROUGH MCDONALD'S WHERE THERE'S A SPEAKER ON ONE SIDE, SPEAKER ON THE INSIDE AND WE JUST TAKE TURNS GOING FIRST? I BELIEVE THAT IS THEIR INTENTION, BUT THEY CAN CLARIFY.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO CLARIFY.
I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE HELD THAT ONE.
UM, THIS MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY CARS OR VEHICLES DO YOU FORESEE, UH, ENTERING THIS FACILITY AND AT WHAT TIME FRAME? THE APPLICANT HASN'T PROVIDED AN ESTIMATE.
THEY EX, THEY DO EXPECT THE, UH, PEAK HOURS TO BE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 9:00 AM AND THAT'S BASED ON THE TRAFFIC OF THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE METROPLEX.
BUT THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED AN ESTIMATE FOR HOW MANY TRAFFIC THEY EXPECT AT PEAK TIME.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT FOR YOU THOUGH.
AND WHERE ARE THE OTHER LOCATIONS? UH, THERE IS ONE IN PLANO AND, UH, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTION FOR THE OTHER LOCATIONS.
I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH IN ARLINGTON.
UH, JUST ALSO, I'LL REITERATE WHAT COUNCILMAN BARRIO SAID.
THAT CENTER, UH, CENTER P THERE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE SCHEMATIC, IT APPEARS THAT THAT IS GONNA BE MODIFIED.
KINDA LIKE WHAT, HOW CHICK-FIL-A HAS, YOU KNOW, TWO ENTRIES AND THEN YOU MERGE INTO ONE, YOU TAKE TURNS TO GET TO, TO GO OUT AND EXIT OUT THE FRONT.
UM, I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT MIGHT BE DEMOED IN ORDER TO ALLOW ENOUGH SPACE FOR TWO VEHICLES.
AND AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT MM-HMM
BUT IF SO, I CAN WAIT AND ASK THAT QUESTION.
I THINK THEY'LL HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THAT.
SEE, AND NO OMAR, WE AT THIS TIME ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, IN RESPECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS SUBIE GARA.
UM, WE OWN THE PROPERTY OFFICIAL OFFICIAL ADDRESS, PLEASE.
UH, 4 2 3 EAST SPRING VALLEY ROAD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, THE, UM, I ACTUALLY OFFICE AT THIS PROPERTY AT 5 0 8 CENTENNIAL, UH, BOULEVARD AS WELL.
UM, THE, UH, OUR, OUR TENANT IS NOT ACTUALLY HERE, UH, PRESENT TODAY, BUT FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM, UM, THEY INTEND ON USING THE FIRST LANE, WHICH LABELS, UH, VEHICLES NINE, SEVEN, AND FIVE AS THE PRIMARY LANE WHERE THE MENU BOARD WILL BE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING.
UH, IN THE CASE WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, BUSIER MORNINGS BUSIER TRAFFIC IN THE DRIVE THROUGH OVERFLOW.
THEY INTEND ON HAVING A MANNED, UH, LIKE AN ACTUAL EMPLOYEE TAKING OVERFLOW ORDERS, SIMILAR TO HOW DUTCH BROTHERS OR SOME OTHER COFFEE SHOPS IN TOWN, UH, WHEN THEY HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC, UH, TIMES, UH, ALSO CHICK-FIL-A TO, UH, TO TAKE PEAK, UH, UH, ORDERS AND PEAK HOURS.
UH, WE DO HAVE ELECTRICAL, UM, IN THE MEDIAN BETWEEN, UM, THE NUMBERS NINE AND 10, UH, READY FOR A MENU BOARD THERE AS WELL, SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO, UH, THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE DID WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE PROPERTY.
BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
MS. JUSTICE? UM, I, I LOVE THE CONCEPT AND I'M EXCITED TO TRY THE PRODUCT.
I'M CURIOUS IF THE PARTICULAR TENANT WOULD, UM, UM, MOVE INTO THE SPACE IF THE DRIVE THROUGH, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS NOT GRANTED.
AND I THINK IT, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE IT, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN SUPPORT FOR THE CONCEPT ITSELF.
I THINK THE, THE ISSUE IS THE DRIVE THROUGH, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD MOVE IN.
BUT I, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THEY? YEAH.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE RENT THAT WE AGREED TO SHOULD THAT NOT BE APPROVED.
UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH AND IT WOULD BE REALLY DETRIMENTAL TO US, UH, IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO SO.
UH, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT BEING CONSIDERED IN THIS, UH, IN THIS PROCESS.
SO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THEY WOULD STILL BE INTERESTED, BUT THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE PAYING THEIR AGREED UPON RENT THAT WE'VE NEGOTIATED.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF I MAY ADD, AS YOU CAN TELL, WHEN WE DESIGNED AND DEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY, WE DID IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH AND WE SPENT CLOSE TO $200,000 FOR THE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
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OF RICHARDSON ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE BEST PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.WE MET WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES.
THEY DISCUSSED LIGHTING, THEY DISCUSSED TRAFFIC FLOW, AND WE MET ALL THEIR REQUIREMENT AT THAT TIME.
AND, UH, AND OUR FRIEND DEREK WILL, WILL ATTEST TO THAT.
SO IT WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE, UH, ZONING CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, WE, FROM THE BEGINNING, WE, WE COULD HAVE BUILT MORE BUILDING AT THAT TIME.
'CAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING.
AS YOU CAN TELL, WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE PARKING THAN OUR NEIGHBOR BROMS, ACTUALLY.
WE'VE GOT LOTS OF PARKING AND WE'VE INVESTED ALL THAT MONEY FOR THE PURPOSE OF LEASING IT AS A DRIVE THROUGH TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN YOU BUILT THAT, WAS THAT DURING COVID TIME? THAT WAS BEFORE COVID.
WE ACTUALLY FINISHED IT BEFORE COVID.
WE FINISHED, WE STARTED BEFORE COVID AND, AND IT FINISHED RIGHT.
I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF, OF THE PANDEMIC HAD BELIEVE SO.
I LOVE THE PROPERTY WHEN I DRIVE BY.
IT HAS BEEN KEPT VERY CLEAN, LOOKS REALLY GREAT.
UH, AND IN FACT, ALL THE PROPERTY THERE HAS PRETTY MUCH, I THINK EVERYONE HAS A DRIVE THROUGH.
AND, UH, BROWNS, I GO PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.
MY LITTLE DAUGHTER LOVES BROWN ICE CREAM AND, UH, SHE DOES NOT WANT ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING SHE ASK ME.
LAST 10 YEARS SHE'S BEEN SO, UH, I DRIVE THAT EVERY DAY AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE THAT PARKING THERE SO I CAN, I DON'T HAVE TO GET, GO TO ON CENTENNIAL, UH, FROM BRAHMS. IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN THERE.
SO I GO THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY AND GO TO THE WALGREENS AND MAKE RIGHT TURN ON THE, UH, WHAT IS THAT WHITE ALL DRIVE MM-HMM
I THINK THIS IS, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS REALLY HELPED THE TRAFFIC.
SO I LIKE, I KNOW I LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SINCE I KNOW THAT ANYTIME WHEN SOME PROPERTY STAYS EMPTY, THERE IS NO NOTHING, NO ACTIVITY, EVERYTHING IS QUIET THERE.
SO, BUT THIS NOT MEANT TO BE EMPTY.
SO I THINK THIS, UH, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, YOU KNOW, LIKE LAST, WHAT, 2018 THIS WAS DONE CON CONSTRUCTION.
SO BETWEEN LAST SIX YEARS, THIS PROPERTY IS, I GUESS IS EMPTIED ON THAT 3000 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? WE ACTUALLY HAD A LEASE.
WE, WE SIGNED A LEASE, UM, ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO WITH A TENANT.
IT WAS A LARGE NATIONAL GROUP.
UH, THEY WERE GONNA OPERATE A NEW CONCEPT CALLED BIG LOVE COFFEE.
AND THEY PAID US RENT FOR THREE YEARS AND DIDN'T LIFT A FINGER ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, UH, THEY DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT.
THEY, YOU KNOW, KEPT KIND OF KICKING THE TIRE DOWN THE ROAD.
EVERY TIME WE'D ASK THEM, HEY, WHERE ARE YOUR PLANS? WHERE ARE YOUR PLANS? WE'RE UNFORTUNATELY A LITTLE TOO NICE WITH, YOU KNOW, GIVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE TOO GENEROUS WITH THE TIMELINE, UH, UH, OR THEIR, THE TIMING OF, OF THEM GETTING THAT DONE ON TIME, AS PER THE LEASE.
BUT LONG STORY SHORT, JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THEY STOPPED PAYING US RENT.
WE GAVE 'EM MORE TIME TO CATCH UP.
THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RESPONSIVE, SO WE LOCKED THEM OUT AND WE FOUND ANOTHER TENANT.
WE'RE NOT CRYING ABOUT IT, BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHY, UH, UM, THE UNUSUAL LONG PERIOD OF TIME OF IT BEING VACANT.
WE, WE DON'T LIKE VACANT PROPERTIES.
IT WAS, THEY WERE PAYING RENT, BUT IT JUST, IT WAS VACANT.
THEY WERE SO YOU COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER TENANT LIKE THAT
YOU KNOW, UH, I ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ANOTHER SON? MY PARENTS DIDN'T TAKE ME TO BRAHMS EVERY DAY.
UM, NOW, UM, OH, I LOST MY, UH, QUESTION THERE.
I, I HAVE BEEN TO THIS COFFEE PLACE IN PLANO.
I, I DROVE NOT BECAUSE OF THIS, UH, BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER MEETING.
I HAVE BEEN TO THAT PLACE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE 20, 25 MINUTES DRIVE FROM MY HOUSE, AND I WAS WISHING WE HAD ONE NEARBY.
SO DEFINITELY THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL ENJOY THERE, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNG, UH, YOU KNOW, MUCH YOUNGER THAN ME.
PEOPLE, THEY WOULD LOVE TO GO THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I LOVE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DECIDED TO COME THIS PLACE.
UH, THIS DEFINITELY WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION IN, IN THAT SIDE OF THE TOWN, UH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A COFFEE SHOP, UH, YOU KNOW, AROUND.
I PRETTY MUCH, I GO AROUND THE COFFEE SHOP HERE, SO, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT MANY IN THAT SITE.
UH, AND I KNOW DRIVE THROUGH IS ALREADY, I GUESS, BUILT THE WAY IT IS.
AND THE TRAFFIC ON CENTENNIAL IS VERY NOISY, SO DRIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THOSE NOISE IS GONNA GET REALLY TOTALLY BLENDED OUT WITH THOSE, UH, TRAFFIC ON CENTENNIAL.
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TOO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOISE IN THAT AREA.SO, BUT I KNOW THIS KIND OF COFFEE, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DRIVE-THROUGH OPTION, BUT PEOPLE LOVE TO GO INSIDE, UH, THIS COFFEE SHOP.
SO, UH, I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE MORE PARKING OUT THERE BECAUSE, UH, YOU'LL BE ATTRACTING, YOU KNOW, INSIDE TRAFFIC MORE THAN THE DRIVE THROUGH PROBABLY.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION ANYMORE.
THANK YOU'ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT AND PRESENTING THIS.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M OBVIOUSLY, I LIVE IN THAT AREA AND I'VE NOTICED THE BUILDING.
I'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB, THE BUILDING'S, UM, VERY NICE LOOKING.
AND, UM, I DID NOTICE THAT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BUIL, WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU'RE FACING CENTENNIAL, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING'S OCCUPIED.
YOU SAID YOU OFFICE THERE CURRENTLY? YES.
I, I HAVE A REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE, UH, THAT I OPERATE, UM, OUT OF THIS, UH, BUILDING AS WELL.
SO I, I'LL BE, UH, PROBABLY HORIZON'S NUMBER ONE CUSTOMER,
AND MY AGENTS WILL BE VERY WELL CAFFEINATED,
SO THAT SIDE WILL STAY AS AN OFFICE.
AND THEN THIS, THE COFFEE SHOP WILL BE NEXT DOOR TO THE OFFICE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE'LL BE TWO TENANTS, BASICALLY.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN, JUST, JUST 'CAUSE I WANNA SHARE IT FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR.
UM, I HAVE HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, UH, FLOW, ESPECIALLY, THAT'S A VERY CONGESTED AREA.
THERE, THERE IS A PASS THROUGH TO GET THROUGH TO A MULTITUDE OF BUSINESSES THERE, INCLUDING BRAHMS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF CARS.
SO I SEE A LOT OF CARS, UH, SORT OF GOING THROUGH ALL THE BACK AND THE FRONT SIDE, AND IT CREATES A LOT OF, UH, CREATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE OF WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC'S, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.
UH, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD IS, YOU KNOW, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER TO TRY TO KEEP BUSINESSES AND BUSINESS IN THE SAME AREA.
AND, AND WE'VE JUST OPENED TWO, YOU KNOW, TWO NEW COFFEE SHOPS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
THERE'S SEVENTH COFFEE, WHICH IS AT THE, UM, BRICK ROW, UH, WHICH I DO GO THERE IN THE MORNING, UH, TO GET COFFEE.
AND THEN SHABA JUST OPEN, UM, JUST DIAGONAL DOWN THE STREET.
NOW GRANTED IT IS A WALK, A DRIVE, YOU KNOW, PARK AND, AND WALK IN.
AND I, I GIVE THEM BUSINESS ALSO IN THE MORNING.
I'LL USUALLY CALL THEM AND, YOU KNOW, PLACE MY ORDER AND I'LL GO BY AND PICK IT UP.
AND, AND THEN OF COURSE, IF YOU WANT TO CALCULATE ADDITIONAL COFFEE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MCDONALD'S ON THE CORNER, WHICH IS FULL ALL THE TIME.
SO THERE'S, YOU CAN ACCESS COFFEE THERE AS WELL.
AND I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT SCENARIO OUT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE OPTIONS FOR OTHER COFFEE SHOPS, AND I WANT THEM TO STAY IN BUSINESS.
AND BUCKINGHAM BEING A SMALL, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, UH, PENINSULA AREA, WE'LL CALL IT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S SUCCESSFUL.
AND, AND THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN RIGHT NOW OF HAVE ADDING ANOTHER COFFEE SHOP TO THE AREA.
I LOVE COFFEE AND I DRINK COFFEE EVERY DAY, BUT I, IT'S JUST A CONCERN OF MINE.
IT'S LIKE, HOW MANY COFFEE SHOPS ARE WE GONNA HAVE IN ONE AREA WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE? AND ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM IN BUSINESS? SURE.
UH, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY SOMETHING AND THEN I'LL, YOU CAN GO AHEAD, DEB.
WE, WE LIVE IN RICHARDSON AND WE LOVE THE RICHARDSON BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
WE ARE, AS A FAMILY, AND MY SON REPRESENT ME AND ALL OUR REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT.
BELIEVE ME, WE'VE HAD SO MANY TENANTS THAT WANTS TO LEASE THIS PLACE.
WE'RE VERY SELECTIVE IN WHO WE BRING IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL STAY IN BUSINESS, NOT JUST START A BUSINESS, BUT STAY IN BUSINESS BY OFFERING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE SCREENED 'EM, WE'VE BEEN SEEING THEIR BUSINESS.
WE'VE BEEN TO THEIR SAW HOW THEIR OPERATION, THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE.
THESE FOLKS OFFER QUALITY PRODUCT AT AN EXCELLENT SERVICE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TODAY TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THEM TO, TO BE OUR NEIGHBOR AND OUR TENANT.
WE THINK OF OUR TENANT AS ACTUALLY OUR NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE LOVE TO DEVELOP THE, THE RICHES AND BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE VERY INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND YEAH, THE OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS, UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL, BUT I CONSUME MY COFFEE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10.
A LOT OF THESE COFFEE SHOPS OPEN AT 10.
UM, MARWA SHIBA, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SEVENTH.
YEAH, 7:00 AM 7:00 AM AT, MM-HMM
I'D LOVE TO TRY IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO OPENING AT 10:00 AM FOR A COFFEE SHOP, IN MY OPINION, IS TOO LATE.
AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW, OPEN THEIR DRIVE THROUGH, UM, EARLY AND, AND DO WELL, I THINK, I THINK, UM, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF BUSINESS TO GO AROUND.
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I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, A REALLY GOOD COMPETITOR MAKES EVERYBODY STEP THEIR STEP, THEIR GAME UP.AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'LL HARM, I THINK IT'LL ONLY BENEFIT OUR, UH, OUR COFFEE, UM, BUSINESSES AROUND, AROUND TOWN.
UH, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY, PLENTY MORE SPACE FOR, FOR ONE MORE HERE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOPIC AT HAND IS THE DRIVE THROUGH, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR BUSINESS IS GONNA BE WALK-IN BUSINESS.
I THINK THEY DO, THEY DO QUITE A BIT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT EVENING DESSERT, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER THAT HAS A NON-CAFFEINATED DRINK, AND THEN THEY, THEY DO THE, YOU KNOW, CAFFEINE AND PASTRIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE MORNING.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MR. UH, MSO SAID THERE, THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF, YOU KNOW, DINE-IN TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING, UH, YOU KNOW, DRIVE THROUGH, UH, CONSUMER IS, IS, UH, IS A POSITIVE AS WELL.
UM, YOU HEARD ME SAY IT EARLIER, GORGEOUS BUILDING.
YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY KEEP IT UP.
SO, AND THE FACT THAT Y'ALL ARE FROM RICHARDSON, THAT, THAT SPEAKS WONDERFUL.
WE ALWAYS LIKE WHEN OUR RESIDENTS INVEST IN OUR CITY, AND IT TRULY IS A BIG INVESTMENT.
AND NOTHING LIKE A, A SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS TO SUPPORT.
UM, I THINK, UH, IF THEY SERVE TEA, I WILL LIKELY BE A, BE A CUSTOMER.
'CAUSE I DON'T DO THE COFFEE, BUT, BUT, UH, I'M EXCITED THIS KIND OF BUSINESS HAS A POSSIBLY OF OPENING IN, IN OUR CITY.
UM, I, I DO HEAR RESIDENT'S CONCERN.
I DO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRIVE FEAR, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, I, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. PETERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.
CAN I GO BACK TO HER? OR, OR DO WE WANNA LET THEM AND THEN I CAN ADDRESS MY QUESTIONS? YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK, YES.
MS. PETERS, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE HISTORY OF, AS FAR AS, UM, I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE.
THEY BOUGHT A BUILDING, BUCKINGHAM IS NOW UNDER RICHARDSON RULES AND COATING.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE HERE.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M A LITTLE LOST, AND I SHOULD HAVE ALSO INCLUDED SOME MORE BACKGROUND THAT THIS BUILDING WAS A FIRST AID DRY, DRY CLEANERS WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW.
UM, THEN THAT DRY CLEANER OPERATED UNTIL 2017 WHEN THEY VACATED IN 2018, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THIS SITE PLAN, UH, FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT.
UM, AND THAT SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED HOWEVER LATE.
WELL, IT WAS ABOUT DURING THE SAME TIME PERIOD, THERE WAS SOME OVERLAP WAS WHEN THE NEW ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED.
SO THEY WERE VESTED IN WITH THAT SITE PLAN AT THE TIME.
SO WHEN DID IT ACTUALLY, I GUESS BUCKINGHAM ACTUALLY BECOME PART OF RICHARDSON 1995.
SO IT HAD BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO DURING THAT ENTIRE TIME THEY WERE GRANTED.
AND THEN WHAT KIND, I GUESS, WHAT KIND OF LEAD TIME DID THEY HAVE AS KIND OF, I MEAN, DID WE SURPRISE THEM OVERNIGHT AND CHANGE THE ZONING ON THEM? 'CAUSE SURELY I'M THINKING THEIR REAL ESTATE AGENTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF CHANGING RULES.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE TIMELINE.
YEAH, I, I THINK I, I'M, I GUESS I'M MIS MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION.
THE, THE, I THINK THE 2018 CHANGE WAS A ZONING CHANGE THAT ALLOWED A, A DRIVE THROUGH BY SPECIAL PERMIT.
I, I DON'T THINK THE BUCKINGHAM HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE IN 2018, THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED A ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
NOW HE'S TRYING TO EXERCISE THAT, THAT RIGHT.
TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DRIVE THROUGH.
WHEN DID, WHEN DID HE PURCHASE? HE PURCHASED IT IN 2018.
WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE PLANS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT, THE DRIVE-THROUGH USE WAS GRANTED BY WRIGHT.
THERE WAS NO NEED FOR AN SUP AT THE TIME.
WE SIGNED A LEASE WITH THIS COPY SHOP BACK THEN, WE GOT THE DRIVE-THRU APPROVED WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO BE IN THIS POSITION THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR PLANS BACK THEN, BECAUSE OF THE RULE CHANGE IN 2018 MM-HMM
AND BECAUSE OF THE LAPSE OF OUR TENANT, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO BE HERE TO PROPOSE, UH, AN SUP OR, OR TO REQUEST AN SUP FOR OUR NEW TENANT.
THAT'S WHEN DID YOU, WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE BUILDING, SIR? UH, WHEN WAS MOHAMMAD'S ACCIDENT? I THINK WE, WE BOUGHT IT IN 2017, LATE LATE 2017.
AND, UH, AND THEN WE IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, I THINK SUBMITTED PLANS IN 2018, AND THEN THE, WE, THERE WAS A, A PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, UH, ACCIDENT IN THE FAMILY THAT HAPPENED THAT DELAYED US FROM STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
BUT SHORTLY AFTER THAT WE STARTED AND RE AND REDEVELOPED THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT DID YOU SUBMIT PLANS FOR WHEN YOU WERE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE? THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
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IT WAS PRETTY IDEAL THERE FOR A WHILE.WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS WHAT THIS SITE PLAN IS.
OUR EXISTING PLAN, THIS WAS, THIS IS WHAT WAS BUILT BACK IN 20 18 20 19.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SUBMIT ANYTHING THEN, IS I RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT YOU LOST YOUR LEGAL NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
AND SO, NO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION.
WHEN, WHEN THE TRANSITION OCCURRED IN OWNERSHIP, THEY HAD ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
AS SOON AS THAT WENT DART FOR SIX MONTHS, THEY LOST LEGAL NONCONFORMING STATUS.
THEY CAME BACK AND THEY ASKED FOR THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT IN THEIR ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
AND I, I AM STRUGGLING WITH DRIVE THROUGH IDEA, BUT I, I HOPE THAT THIS BUSINESS OPENS UP AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE A CUSTOMER IF IT OPENS UP.
AND THANK YOU FOR KEEPING SUCH A NICE PROPERTY AND YOUR INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.
I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT EVERYBODY VERY MUCH WANTS THE COFFEE SHOP.
THEY DON'T WANT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
HAVE YOU MET WITH THE HOA, YOU OR THE OWNERS OR THE, I GUESS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR LEASE SOURCE, UM, OF THE COFFEE SHOP? AND HAVE YOU TRIED TO, TO WORK WITH THEM TO WHERE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD SUPPORT HAVING THE DRIVE THROUGH IN THERE? BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I BRING THIS UP.
EVERY TIME WE GET INTO A SITUATION LIKE THIS, I ALWAYS SAY, PLEASE MEET WITH THE HOA, PLEASE MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WORK WITH THEM.
SEE IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A, WITH A, UH, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THAT, A NEGOTIATED PLAN TO WHERE THEY WOULD AT LEAST, UH, COME, COME AND, AND BE NEUTRAL, UH, BE, UM, UH, BE POSITIVE, UH, IN REGARDS TO IT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL I'VE GOTTEN IS NEGATIVE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING.
I, I WILL, I WOULD AGREE WITH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BARRIOS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE COFFEE SHOP ITSELF.
UH, THE NEIGHBORS REALLY VERY MUCH WANNA SEE THE COFFEE, COFFEE SHOP.
THE ONES THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME, AND IT'S BEEN BEEN, I'LL SAY, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WORDS TO USE, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN SIGN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER SIGNIFICANT ON A CASE LIKE THIS.
UM, THEY DON'T WANT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO I, I JUST HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
HAVE YOU MET WITH THEM? HAVE YOU TRIED TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION? SURE.
THE, THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE HOA AND THE RESIDENCE THAT WERE PRESENT AT THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, AS WE WERE WALKING OUT, REACHED MY HANDOUT, SHOOK THEIR HANDS, TOLD 'EM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE, WE'RE, WE WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, TO COME HERE AND BE A NUISANCE.
UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, UH, GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALREADY DEVELOPED IN, IN THIS MANNER.
BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, GOT, KIND OF GOT LIKE A, UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE UPSET THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, VOTED FOR THIS, THIS, UM, TENANT.
UH, I REACHED OUT AFTER THE FACT TO THE HOA, UM, I HAVE GOTTEN NO, NO RESPONSE.
SO THERE ACTUALLY WERE A COUPLE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, BEING A REAL ESTATE BROKER, I'VE REPRESENTED A FEW, FEW RESIDENTS IN THOSE, IN THAT TOWN ROOM COMMUNITY.
UM, I REACHED OUT TO A FEW OF THEM.
YOU, YOU'VE SEEN A, A COUPLE, UM, MESSAGES OF SUPPORT, UH, FROM SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS.
UM, I, UM, I, I, I MEAN, THERE WAS AN EFFORT MADE.
THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, NO RESPONSE, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UM, OKAY.
I, I, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED, AND THE HOA SAID THAT, THAT THEY DID NOT GET A, SO, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, I WASN'T IN THE ROOM, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS, IS ARE YOU ON SUCH A TIME SENSITIVE CR CRUNCH THAT IF WE SAID, AND AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING ONE PERSON, THERE'S SEVEN OF US, ALL SEVEN OF, OR FOUR OUT OF THREE WOULD'VE TO AGREE IS THAT WE 'CAUSE BY RIGHT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN OCCUPY AND HAVE THE COFFEE SHOP BY, RIGHT? YOU CAN TODAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE VARIANCE.
IT'S ONLY THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S CAUSING YOU TO COME BEFORE US TONIGHT.
SO WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER DEFERRING ACTION TONIGHT AND HAVE A MEETING WITH THE OHOA WALK THROUGH THEM? LOOK WHAT PRESENT, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND, AND GET THEM TO, TO, AND, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM AND COME UP WITH A, A DISCUSSION POINT AND SEE IF YOU COULD SEEK THEIR, THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HEARING A WHOLE LOT OF COMPELLING REASON AS TO, AS TO, YOU KNOW, I I I'VE HEARD QUITE LOUDLY THAT, THAT THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THE, TO THE, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH.
AND I'M NOT HEARING A COMPELLING REASON AS TO WHY WE SHOULD OTHER THAN YOUR LEASE RATE.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN THERE'S NO DISRESPECT HERE, BUT I, I TELL EVERYONE, PLEASE DON'T, DON'T AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET APPROVAL BEFORE US.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR, I WON'T SAY NEIGHBORHOOD,
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WHEN WE HAVE YOUR NEIGHBORS COMING OUT PRETTY STRONGLY SAYING THEY DON'T WANT THE DRIVE THROUGH.SO I WOULD ASK YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT, AGAIN, I'M ONE PERSON, MAYBE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO, WANTS THAT TO BE CONSIDERED, BUT I WOULD THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
KEN, COULD I ASK DEREK, DID YOU NOT SAY THERE WERE 35 HOME, UM, REPLIES THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS? NO.
IS THAT NOT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY? THERE WERE THREE IN FAVOR.
AND THERE WERE QUITE A FEW 13 IN OPPOSITION AND ONE NEUTRAL.
UM, AND I THINK I PROBABLY HEARD FROM ALL 13, TO BE HONEST.
I DON'T WANNA, I ONLY NOT MAKE, IT'S AN ESTIMATE.
UM, SO I, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN IT'S, IT'S 13 THREE AND I HAVE, I, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HEARD, I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TODAY TO OPEN THE COFFEE SHOP AND EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN.
AND IN MY MIND, I ALWAYS, I SAY THIS EVERY SINGLE TIME TO EVERYONE WHO COMES HERE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MEET WITH THE HOA PRIOR TO GOING TO ZONING, OR I'M SORRY, PRIOR NOT ZONING, I APOLOGIZE.
PRIOR TO ZONING, GOING TO THE, UM, UH, C-P-C-C-P-C, THANK YOU.
AND, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FACT, PRIOR TO COMING HERE, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THE TIMEFRAME THAT IT REALLY NEEDS TO OCCUR.
'CAUSE YOU REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA SUPPORT YOU IN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
'CAUSE IT PUTS, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AGAIN, IT PUTS ME IN A VERY DIFFICULT SPOT WHEN I'VE GOT A LOT OF NEIGHBORS REACHING OUT TO ME SAYING, WE WANT THE COFFEE SHOP.
WE DON'T WANT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
I HAVEN'T HEARD A COMPELLING REASON OTHER THAN YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE LEASE RATE THAT YOU WANT IF YOU DON'T GET THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AGAIN, I'VE GOTTA WEIGH IT ON, ON WHAT'S BEST OVERALL.
AND I'M NOT HEARING COMPELLING REASON RIGHT AT THE MOMENT.
HOW ABOUT WE SEE WHAT JOE HAS TO SAY.
AND THEN WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, SEE IF WE GET ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THAT TIME AND GO FROM THERE.
I, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, NOT ABOUT THE PERMIT, BUT ABOUT THE PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND SO THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN COUNCILMAN NAVARRO'S LINE OF QUESTIONING, BUT JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ORDINANCE 4, 2, 4, 5, THAT WAS IN 2018.
AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, THIS WAS, I GUESS THAT ORDINANCE SUPERSEDED, I GUESS A PRIOR, THE PRIOR ZONING FOR THE FORMER TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM.
IS THAT RIGHT? OR WHAT, WHAT DID THAT 2018 ORDINANCE THAT SORT OF CHANGED THE ZONING IN THIS WHOLE AREA, WHAT DID THAT DO? IT REQUIRED THAT ANY FUTURE DRIVE THROUGH BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT.
BUT IT WHY, I MEAN, WAS IT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR APPROACH CITYWIDE.
SO THAT'S, IT ESSENTIALLY APPLIED.
SO ANY DRIVE, ANY DRIVE THROUGH ANYWHERE IN THE CITY IF IT'S ALLOWED YEAH.
COMES BEFORE YOU FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND DON, WHAT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
AND ALL, ALL I'M ASKING IS IT, DID IT ESSENTIALLY APPLY EVERYTHING THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT CITYWIDE TO THE FORMER TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM? IS THAT WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS? YES.
DRIVE, INCLUDING DRIVE-THROUGHS.
WELL, THERE'S THE, UM, AND THESE GUYS NEED TO, I MEAN, CHARLES OR THERE, I MEAN, THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS THAT APPLY CITYWIDE FROM IN ZONING.
I MEAN, A SPECIAL PER A SPECIAL PERMIT IS AN EXAMPLE.
'CAUSE THERE'S, I MEAN, SO, SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT APPLIES CITYWIDE APPLIED TO THE CITY OF BUCKINGHAM, OUR STANDARD ZONING YES.
THAT IS NOT PART OF, YOU KNOW, A SPECIAL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, A SPECIAL PERMIT, A SPECIAL PERMIT IS A VERY UNIQUE INSTRUMENT USED AS PART OF THE ZONING PROCESS.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, IF YOU WANT A DRIVE THROUGH OF ANY KIND SURE.
COFFEE, FOOD, DRY CLEANER, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THAT REQUEST HAS TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDLESS OF WHAT ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS IN.
AND, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I GUESS PRIOR TO THAT, YOU COULD HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH BY RIGHT.
AND SO FOR, TAKE IT, TAKE IT BACK THEN WAS, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DRY CLEANER WAS A DRIVE UP SERVICE.
AND THEN WHAT I READ WAS THAT THE DRIVE UP WAS REMOVED AND A DRIVE THROUGH WAS INSTALLED.
AND WHEN WAS THAT DRIVE THROUGH INSTALLED? WHEN DID YOU GUYS BUILD THE DRIVE THROUGH PRIOR TO THE, THE ORDINANCE CHANGING? SO 2017.
SO 2017, I'M SORRY, COUNCIL, I JUST DON'T, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TIME, BUT I DO WHAT THE, THE PART THAT WAS REALLY CONFUSING TO US, WHICH WAS A SHOCK AS TO WHY WE EVEN NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS,
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IS BECAUSE WHEN WE DEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY AND WE INVESTED THE FUNDS TO CREATE WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY MM-HMMWITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, WE WERE NOT, WE DIDN'T RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS ATTACHED TO A SPECIFIC TENANT.
WE THOUGHT, OKAY, WE DEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY, IT WAS BEFORE THE ORDINANCE CHANGED.
WE'RE INVESTING THIS MONEY REGARDLESS OF WHERE, WHO THE TENANT IS.
WE'RE WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND WE'LL HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE, THAT'S APPROVED.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING, THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING CORRECT.
IS BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I, ONE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUILD THE DRIVE THROUGH STRUCTURE, BUT AGAIN, GET THE PERMIT AFTER THE FACT IF THAT'S EVEN ALLOWED.
BELIEVE ME, I WOULD, I WOULD WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH MORE STRICT, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
WE WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH MORE STRICT WITH THIS TENANT COMPLETING THE PROJECT IF WE KNEW THAT THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH WAS ATTACHED TO THEIR PERMIT.
AND, BUT OF COURSE, SO IN 2017 THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
AND SO THIS DRIVE-THROUGH ACTUAL PHYSICAL STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED BEFORE YOU WOULD EVEN HAVE A BUSINESS THAT NEEDED A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DRIVE THROUGH THAT ZONING LAW WASN'T IN EFFECT FOR THIS PARCEL.
AND STANDING THAT CORRECT, THAT THAT IS A SIMILAR SITUATION, UM, TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, FOR INSTANCE, WEST SPRING VALLEY PD WAS PASSED, THE MAIN CENTRAL ZONING WAS PASSED, APO CONS WAS PASSED.
I MEAN, MEAN YOU HAVE YOUR NOT, YOU HAVE YOUR LEGAL NON-CONFORMING RIGHT.
UNTIL YOU ALLOW THE PROPERTY TO GO DORMANT FOR THAT USE FOR SIX MONTHS, AND THEN YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
AND JUST, JUST A POINT OF A CLARIFICATION.
I MEAN, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU, YOU REALIZED THAT THE APPLICATION YOU'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT TO BE APPROVED IS TIED TO A SPECIFIC USER.
WE, WE, WERE NOT AWARE OF THAT.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE 'CAUSE IT NO, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WERE AWARE OF THAT TODAY AND, AND, UH, HAD WE KNOWN AT THAT TIME THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THE, THE APPROVAL FOR THIS, AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS, WE COULD HAVE BUILT ADDITIONAL RIGHT.
WE COULD HAVE MADE MORE MONEY WITH THAT.
BUT WE THOUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ALL DRIVE THROUGH AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS APPROVED.
WE SUBMITTED AND WE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
I AM A PE MYSELF, I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, AND I BELIEVE BEFORE I DO ANYTHING, I DO MY HOMEWORK RIDE.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE DID OUR HOMEWORK RIDE AT THAT TIME.
AND, AND YEAH, HE EVEN WENT OVERBOARD ON PARKING.
I TOLD HIM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD ALL THESE PARKING SPOTS, JUST DO THE BARE MINIMUM.
WE, I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S 51 OR 53 PARKING SPACES.
ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FORMULATE, I GUESS FORMULATE HOW MY OPINION IS AND THE TIME, THE TIMING, I HAD TO ASK IT IN A CERTAIN WAY FOR MYSELF TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I JUST, UM, SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER WAS GETTING AT, SORT OF GOT TO A QUESTION THAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN.
I THINK PART OF, UM, WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE, IS LIGHT, UH, NOISE POLLUTION, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UH, SO I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER'S PROPOSAL LATER, BUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU'D BE WILLING TO PUT SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPE SCREENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK THERE TO POTENTIALLY HELP THE LIGHT AND NOISE POLLUTION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO LIGHTING.
WE'VE ACTUALLY UPGRADED THE LIGHTING WHEN WE REPURPOSED THIS BUILDING.
AND ALL THE LIGHTS ARE, YOU KNOW, CONFORMING TO, YOU KNOW, CITY, CITY CODE.
UM, PLEASE ADD, IF YOU NEED TO, WE, WE WILL BE HAPPY.
THOSE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE REQUESTS, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS 'EM.
WE WANNA MAKE OUR NEIGHBOR HAPPY.
THERE ARE REFLECTORS, WE MET THE LUMINOUS PER SQUARE FOOT LIGHTING ACCORDING TO THE CITY.
THE CITY ASKED US FOR DESIGN OF LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING LOT, AND THEY ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT YOU PROVIDE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF LIGHTING PER SQUARE FOOT.
IF SOME OF THE LIGHTS ARE SHOWING ON THEIR SIDE, WE DO PUT REFLECTORS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.
THE NOISE FACTOR WE'VE, WE'VE MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY WITH THEM WHEN WE MET THEM HERE.
SO ALL SOUND SYSTEMS, YOU ALL KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.
NOW ALL SOUND SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED TO BE CONVENIENT, COMFORTABLE, AND NOT DISTURBING THE SOUND SYSTEM THEY'RE INSTALLING.
AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THAT THE MOST RELIABLE, THE STATE-OF-THE-ART SOUND SYSTEM WHERE THE SOUND IS CONFINED TO WHERE YOU ARE NEAR THE WINDOW.
IT'S NOT LIKE GONNA BE, I'M NOT CRITICIZING OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, WALGREEN WHERE YOU HEAR THE NOISE WHEN THEY CALL YOU, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET.
SO IF IT, IF IT COMES TO, IF THEY NEED TO PUT SOME TREES, TREES ARE BEAUTIFUL FOR THE CITY, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE, WE ARE WILLING TO BE REASONABLE AND WORK WITH THEM.
YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT WE ARE GONNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
WE ARE GONNA ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS AS LONG AS THEY'RE REASONABLE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK RIGHT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND, UH, WE HOPE THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER THAT YOU ALL ARE VERY REASONABLE, YOU KNOW, HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, AND, UH, YOU'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, TO THE BUILDING, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE CITY.
SO, AND TO ENTER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, UM, COUNCILMAN'S POINT ABOUT WILL WE POTENTIALLY LOSE
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THIS TENANT AGAIN, WHEN I SIGN, WHEN WE SIGN THIS LEASE WITH THIS TENANT, WE WERE NOT, UH, AWARE THAT THERE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH APPROVALS ON THE DRIVE THROUGH AGAIN.SO THEY ASKED FOR A CLAUSE TO BE ADDED TO THE LEASE, WHERE IF WE DON'T GET THE DRIVE THROUGH APPROVAL WITHIN 90 DAYS OF US SIGNING THE LEASE, WHICH WE'RE, I WOULD SAY MID TO END OF JANUARY, BE THE 90 DAYS, THEN THEY CAN TERMINATE THEIR LEASE.
AND THEY, THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY PROBABLY WILL IF WE DON'T GET OUR APPROVAL, UM, FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IF, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
AND, AND IF I CAN JUST TAG ON TO, TO COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE FOR JUST ONE FOR 30 SECONDS, MAYOR.
UM, THAT'S WHY WHAT SHE JUST SAID, WHY WE ASK YOU TO MEET WITH THE HOA, BECAUSE IF YOU, IF THEY WOULD'VE BROUGHT UP NOISE AND YOU SAID, WELL, WE'LL PUT UP TREES, WE'LL PUT UP BUSHES, WE'LL DO THE THINGS THAT SHE JUST MENTIONED, THEY MAY VERY WELL HAVE COME FORWARD AND SAID, WILL WE SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A DRIVE THROUGH? AND THIS WOULD BE A MUCH EASIER CONVERSATION.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE REASON THAT, THAT WE ALWAYS ASK THAT BECAUSE, AND I DON'T, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS DISRESPECTFULLY, AND I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.
I KNOW YOU SAY, OH, WELL, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THINGS, BUT ONCE, ONCE WE VOTE TONIGHT, IF WE GIVE YOU APPROVAL, TECHNICALLY THAT'S IT.
WE CAN'T COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, BUT YOU SAID YOU WOULD, BUT YOU DIDN'T PUT IN TREES.
AT THAT POINT, WE'VE MADE THE VOTE.
SO THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAME UP AND SAID, WELL, THEY HAVE LIGHT CONCERNS AND YOU DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM, THE, THE BUSHES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR INPUT.
WE EXCHANGED THESE THOUGHTS WITH THEM WHEN THEY WERE HERE, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THEIR CONCERN.
HAD WE KNOWN THIS FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE ENTERTAINED VISITING WITH THEM.
BUT, UH, WE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT FEEL THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL SEE THESE OPPOSITIONS AFTER THAT LAST MEETING THAT WE, YOU KNOW.
AND LIKE I SAID, I DID CHAT WITH THEM OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE, AND I, I TALKED TO A MEMBER OF THE HOA, UM, COMMITTEE THAT HANDLES THIS KIND OF STUFF.
AND I TOLD HIM, LOOK, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEFORE ANY OPPOSITION THAT YOU'VE HAD, ANYTIME THERE'S ANY EVER BEEN ANY ISSUE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE LIGHTS THAT WE INSTALLED WHEN WE FIRST DEVELOPED THE PROPERTY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT PROJECTING ONTO SOME OF THE HOMES ON THAT, ON THAT, UH, SIDE.
NOBODY ASKED, THE CITY DIDN'T ASK US TO CHANGE THEM.
WE DID IT ON OUR OWN BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE ARE.
AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, REACHED OUT OUR HAND, MADE AN EFFORT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME POINTS.
AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE THE MENU BOARD, THE ORDERING SYSTEM WITH THE SPEAKER, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECT AND SOUND, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE REQUESTED FROM RAZ, NOT THINGS THAT WE'RE, WERE PROPOSED AFTER THE FACT TO SOLVE, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERN.
SO, UH, WE'RE, WE, WE WE'RE VERY PROACTIVE AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO, TO KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY NICE LANDSCAPING, BUT I THINK TOWARDS THE BACK, NOT JUST YOUR PROPERTY, THE OTHER PROPERTY, THEY COULD PROBABLY PUT SOME, UH, SOME NICE, YOU KNOW, FAST GROWING GREEN, GREEN AREA THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE MORE PROTECTION, UH, FROM THE, THE HOUSES THAT THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, UH, OR IS THAT, THAT DIRECTION ON THAT IS THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH, SOUTH NORTH IS UP.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE LANDSCAPING, WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
BUT, UH, UH, PUTTING SOME MORE GREEN PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA BE THAT, THAT GREAT LOOKING, BUT AT LEAST IT'LL SERVE THE PURPOSE PROTECTING THE HOUSES FROM THIS SIDE.
AND, AND THANKS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, JENNIFER JUSTICE FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TWO DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, BUT I THINK THE TENANT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ONE, UH, ONE MINI BOARD.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THE ELECTRICAL ON THE, IN THE MIDDLE LANE, WOULD YOU BE OKAY NOT TO PUT ANY MORE, ANY MINI BOARD ON THE OTHER SIDE? SO THAT WOULD AVOID, UH, HAVING A SECOND MENU BOARD, UH, TOWARDS THE, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THE MENU BOARD, THE INTENTION OF THE MENU BOARD IS TO BE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING NORTH OF THE NINE THERE.
UM, WE, WE WANT IT TO, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY LOUD, UM, IT'LL BE DIRECT SOUND INTO THE VEHICLE, SIMILAR TO MODERN DRIVE-THROUGHS THESE DAYS.
UM, BUT WE, WE WANT IT TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS AS POSSIBLE.
HENCE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ASKING THEM NOT TO PUT IT IN THE SECOND LANE.
SO JUST LIMIT THAT ONLY ONE LANE TO BE FACING THE BUILDING.
FACING THE BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, NOT PUTTING ANY IN THE MIDDLE END.
AND, UH, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE TRAFFIC GOES MORE THAN YOU
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COULD HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE, LIKE THE OTHER PLACES TAKE ORDER FROM OUTSIDE AND, UH, MAKE THE TRAFFIC GO SMOOTHER.I, I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, REDUCE LOTS OF CONCERN.
UH, EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE PROBABLY HAVING MORE TRAFFIC, UH, IN DINING AND PROBABLY JUST THE MORNING TIME, UH, WHERE WE HAVE ONLY LIMITED COFFEE PLACE IN THAT AREA, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE BECAUSE, UH, THE OTHER ONE IS LIKE STARBUCKS ON BED LINE AND, UM, 75 CORNERS.
SO THAT TAKES FOREVER FOR BLESS YOU TO GET, UH, COFFEE.
SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD REALLY HELP.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LANDSCAPING ON OTHER SIDE, EITHER SIDES.
IT'S ONLY MAINLY THE SOUTH SIDE AND DRIVE THROUGH LAND LIMITED TO ONE AND ONE MORE, ONE MORE THING THAT THEY MENTIONED THE LAST TIME, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRASH.
ACTUALLY, MY SON AND I, WE WALK AROUND SOMETIMES PICKING UP TRASH FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE, WE EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM ALSO, YOU KNOW? NO, THAT'S GREAT.
I MEAN, HAVING YOUR OWN OFFICE RIGHT THERE, AND ALSO I KNOW THAT BY, YOU KNOW, THE ADDRESS THAT YOU GAVE BESIDES THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU LIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ROAD, SO YOU ARE, YOU LIVE RIGHT THERE.
SO I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT PROPERTY STAYS CLEAN.
UH, AND I SEE THE PROPERTY STAYS CLEAN, NOT THIS ONE, BUT ALSO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS, THERE ARE PLENTY OF TRAFFIC THERE, SO THANK YOU.
WE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ADDRESSED ALL OF THE, THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS IN THE, YOU KNOW, UH, P AND Z MEETING, UH, THAT WE ATTENDED AND, AND DISCUSSED A LOT OF THESE POINTS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
NOISE, LIGHTING, UM, TRASH POLLUTION, TRAFFIC, ALL THESE THINGS.
I MEAN, WE FELT LIKE WE ADDRESSED THEM AT THE TIME.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY OUR, UH, RESPONSES TODAY WILL SHOW THAT WE, UM, WILL CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, TRY TO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS FOR SURE.
MR. BURS, YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO OPEN? UH, YES, MAYOR, UM, THIS, TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A FRANCHISE, CORRECT? UH, IT IS A FRANCHISE, BUT THE, THE, THEY DO FRANCHISE, BUT THIS IS, UM, KIND OF A HYBRID CORPORATE SLASH FRANCHISE.
THE, THE FRANCHISOR IS AN INVESTOR AND THE GUARANTOR OF THE, OF THE LEASE HERE.
SO IT'S, I WOULD SAY IT'S A CORPORATE LOCATION WITH A LOCAL OPERATOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS MR. MAGNER ASKED Y'ALL AND CLARIFIED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONLY APPLIED TO THIS TENANT IF THIS WERE TO PASS, I MEAN, WE'RE, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'RE KIND OF JUST KICKING IT THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AS THE SAYING GOES.
UH, IF WE, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS, UH, IN THE BACK OF MY MIND IT'S KINDA LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S THE EXIT PLAN? 'CAUSE IF IT IS APPROVED, IT'S ONLY APPROVED FOR THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS FRANCHISEES GENERALLY, THIS IS A CORPORATE LOCATION, FRANCHISEES GENERALLY HAVE A HIGHER, UH, FAILURE, UM, RATE WITH SMALLER FRANCHISES.
UM, I MEAN, UNLESS IT'S A MCDONALD'S OR ONE OF THOSE BIG ONES.
UM, WHAT IS THE PLAN? I I, IN HOPES THAT, UH, MAYBE ANOTHER FRIENDLY COUNCIL APPROVES THE NEXT ONE? I MEAN, WELL, UH, WE HAVE, UM, UH, STRONGLY VETTED THIS TENANT.
UH, LIKE WE SAID, THEY'RE A CORPORATE, UM, CORPORATE TENANT.
THEY, UH, SIGN, THEY SIGN A 10 YEAR LEASE WITH US.
SO WE INTEND ON THEM BEING HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND, UM, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE UP, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
AND WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN THEIR ABILITY TO OPERATE AND, AND BE HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S NO CONCERN FOR US ON THAT PART.
WE, WE VETTED THEM PRETTY WELL.
AND, AND MIND YOU, RAZ, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE BUILD OUT OF THEIR LOCATIONS, BUT THEY'RE ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COFFEE CHAINS IN THE COUNTRY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPROUTING UP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND THEY'RE VERY SELECTIVE WITH WHERE THEY WANT TO BE.
AND THEY, THEY WANTED OUR, THEY, THEY COURTED US, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING TO A LOT OF OTHER TENANTS.
THEY LOVE, THEY LOVE THE LOCATION, THEY LOVE THE COMMUNITY.
THIS, THEY WANT TO BE IN RICHARDSON, AND THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
WELL, MR. DORRY, I I, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
UM, IN THE EVENT THAT, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS DOES NOT GET APPROVED, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO ANY OTHER COFFEE HOUSES CONSIDERING YOU WANT A COFFEE HOUSE HERE? HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ANY OTHER FRANCHISES OR ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH WITH FACILITATING THIS AREA THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED THE
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DRIVE THROUGH? OR IS THIS JUST REALLY THE ONLY OPTION AT THE MOMENT? ALL, ALL OF THE FOOD USES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, POTENTIALLY LEASING TO HAVE ALWAYS BROUGHT UP THE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, THE DRIVE THROUGH IS A HUGE SELLING POINT HERE, UM, FOR US AND, AND FOR THEM, FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.UM, SO, UM, ALL, ALL, MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH ANY TENANTS HAVE BEEN CATERED TOWARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE BIGGEST, UH, REQUEST THAT I'VE GOTTEN IS SMOKE SHOPS.
AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT WANT TO DO THAT HERE, AND I DON'T EVEN THINK THE CITY WOULD ALLOW IT, BUT IT'S UNBELIEVABLE HOW MANY REQUESTS I GOT FOR THAT, AND THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF TENANT WE WANNA BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S VALUE FOR I APPRECIATE THAT.
IF WE COULD, WELL, I'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE, UH, TAKE A SEAT AND IF WE NEED TO CALL YOU BACK, WE WILL.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. ER, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, MAYOR.
MR. MAGNER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN THIS CONVERSATION, PLEASE? UH, O ONLY BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, UH, AROUND A POTENTIAL CONTINUANCE THAT TAKES PLACE BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO BEING MINDFUL OF THE TIME, UM, TIMETABLE THAT THE APPLICANT DESCRIBED, UM, WHICH I THINK, UH, YOU SAID MID TO LATE JANUARY WOULD BE KIND OF THE 90 DAYS WHERE HE WOULD BE, UM, CHALLENGED WITH THE ABILITY OF THE APP OF HIS, UH, UH, PROSPECTIVE TENANT TO BE ABLE TO CANCEL.
UM, COUNSEL, YOU COULD CON, YOU COULD CONSIDER CONTINUING, UM, THIS CASE, UH, TO EITHER THE SIXTH OR THE 13TH, THEREFORE PROVIDING THE APPLICANT WITH TWO TO THREE WEEKS, DEPENDING ON WHICH DATE YOU SELECT TO GO BACK AND TALK TO, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF THAT'S, UM, A CONSENSUS AMONGST COUNSEL, THAT'S, UH, DEFINITELY, UM, UM, A STRATEGY MOVING FORWARD.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, THE AREA IN QUESTION TO THE SOUTH IS ACTUALLY A UTILITY EASEMENT.
SO THERE CANNOT BE ANY LANDSCAPING PLANTED THERE BEYOND THE SMALL SHRUBS THAT ARE THERE.
SO THAT JUST FYI ON THAT, UH, AS APPROVED TONIGHT BY, RIGHT UNDER CHAPTER 18, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ALLOWED TWO MENU BOARDS PER SERVICE LANE.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU WOULD'VE TO ADDRESS THAT STIPULATION IN YOUR SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO LIMIT THAT FURTHER, YOU WOULD'VE TO LIMIT THAT IN YOUR SPECIAL PERMIT TO MAKE THAT, UM, TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, POINTS TO THINK ABOUT.
IF YOU MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, THE, THE LATTER TWO POINTS, OR IN CASE YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, IF YOU, UH, BUILDING ON, UH, AT LEAST A, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I HEARD, IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE THE APPLICANT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL TIME, BUT BE MINDFUL OF HIS TIMETABLE, YOU COULD OPT FOR THE SIXTH OR THE 13TH, UH, MAYOR, WHICH YOU WOULD DO IS, UH, YOU WOULD NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION, UM, TO CONTINUE THE HEARING, TO WHATEVER, UH, TO TO WHATEVER DATE YOU OPT FOR.
MS. TRU, WRITER, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DEFER UNTIL EITHER THE SIXTH OR THE 13TH.
CAN I LEAVE IT OPEN OR DO I HAVE TO SET AN EXACT DATE? NO, NO, IT HAS TO BE DATE SPECIFIC.
YOU WOULD CHOOSE EITHER THE SIXTH OR THE 13.
UM, JANUARY 6TH, YEAH, JANUARY 6TH.
DOES THAT WORK FOR THE CANDIDATE? COULD THAT WORK IF WE, IF WE DEFERRED TO JANUARY 6TH, GIVE YOU TIME TO MEET WITH THE, THE HOA AND THE NEIGHBORS TO WORK OUT? LIKE, I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER SAM SHOUL, JUSTICE, THERE WERE SEVERAL GOOD IDEAS THAT I THINK IF YOU SAT DOWN WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND TRIED TO WORK IT THROUGH, THEN, THEN IT WOULD BE, THEN IT WOULD BE EASIER AND YOU AND EVERYONE, AND IT COULD BE, AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY, BUT YOU COULD GET THIS WORKED OUT TO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SUPPORT FROM THEM AND IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR, FOR US.
UM, THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHICH WE COMPLETELY RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND, UM, HAS ALREADY DELAYED THE POTENTIAL START OF, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND, AND EVENT THEIR EVENTUAL OPENING.
UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IF, IF, UH, UM, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO VOTE FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THEN, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT UNTIL AFTER THE ORDINANCE IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT DOCUMENTED AND REGISTERED SOMETIME IN MID-JANUARY.
DELAYING THIS UNFORTUNATELY, WILL THEN DELAY ANY POTENTIAL WORK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND, AND IT'S GONNA DELAY A LOT OF THINGS FOR, FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
SO, A ACTUALLY, LET ME, LET ME JUST MY POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
IF YOU, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE SIXTH AND, AND IT IS AND IS APPROVED ON THE SIXTH, WE CAN STILL GET YOUR ORDINANCE ON FOR ADOPTION BY THE 13TH.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE FRUITFUL
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CONVERSATIONS ARE GONNA BE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM.UM, UH, I, I HONESTLY, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS MY OPINION.
IF, IF SOMETHING WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AS A, AS A HOMEOWNER, I WOULD BE HERE TODAY.
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, DOGGING ON ANY OF THE RESIDENTS OR ANY NEIGHBORS, BUT IF SOMETHING WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME, I WOULDN'T JUST SEND AN EMAIL AND, AND NOT SHOW UP AND VOICE MY CONCERN.
UM, SO I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN PLEASE THE COMM, THE, THE NEIGHBORS, ALTHOUGH WE, WE REALLY WANT TO, AND I HOPE, YOU KNOW, THE SINCERITY, YOU KNOW, IN MY VOICE SHOWS THAT WE REALLY DO CARE.
UM, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW FRUITFUL THAT WILL BE, BUT AGAIN, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU SUGGEST AND THAT'S THE WAY FORWARD, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
OKAY, THEN I'LL, THEN I'LL MAKE MY MOTION TO DEFER THIS UNTIL, OKAY.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE JANUARY 6TH? MOTION.
UH, THIS, THIS PROPERTY BUY RIGHTS, THEY CAN RENT OUT TO ANYTHING AND PRETTY MUCH LIKE INCLUDING SMOKE SHOP OR THEY NEED SPECIAL FARMING FOR THE SMOKE SHOP.
WELL, IF IT'S A RETAIL SMOKING ESTABLISHMENT, A RETAIL WHERE NO SMOKE, NO, NO SMOKING ON, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SMOKING ON PREMISE, THEN IT'S A SMOKING ESTABLISHMENT AND YOU REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THAT.
IF IT'S JUST RETAIL SALES OF, UH, SMOKING, UM, UM, UM, MERCHANDISE PROPERTY AND PRODUCTS, THEN THAT IS A RETAIL USE AND THAT'S ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S HOW PROBABLY SOME OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THAT HAD THE RIGHT TO HAVE THAT SMOKING STORE THAT THAT'S CITYWIDE BECAUSE THE, YEAH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED, UH, PERMIT, UH, IF IT IS NOT SMOKING AREA THAT LIKE NOBODY SMOKES IN THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
AS LONG AS IF, IF IT'S SMOKING, UH, MERCHANDISE AND THERE'S NO SMOKING, UM, PERMITTED ON PREMISE, THEN IT'S A RETAIL SMOKING ESTABLISHMENT.
BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT NO, I MEAN I DID NOT WANT TO, I HAVE A LIST OF THANK APPRECIATE THAT PROBABLY SEVEN TO 10 SMOKE SHOPS THAT WILL PAY PROBABLY TWO TO $3,000 MORE PER MONTH TO HAVE THIS SPACE WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH.
AND THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS THAT WE WANNA PUT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BACK TO MR. HUDSON RE SO I'LL MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS UNTIL JANUARY 6TH SO THE OWNER CAN MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOA, ET CETERA, TO WORK OUT CONCERNS AND DIFFERENCES.
IS THAT, DOES THAT APPROPRIATE MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO JANUARY 6TH? YES, SIR.
IS, DOES ANYONE WANNA SECOND THAT? SURE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THIS UNTIL JANUARY 6TH.
AND WITH THAT, THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THIS CASE.
[8. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-27, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE, ON A 0.62-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED LR-M(2) LOCAL RETAIL, LOCATED AT 1230 E. BELT LINE ROAD, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BELT LINE ROAD, WEST OF PLANO ROAD. ]
BRINGS US TO PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 27, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE LOCATED AT 1230 EAST BELTLINE ROAD.MAYOR DEREK IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THIS CASE AND I THINK THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THRU SERVICE AT 1230 EAST BELTLINE ROAD.
THIS IS THE SAME REQUEST THAT CAME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL IN LATE 2022 AND WAS APPROVED IN EARLY 2023.
UM, SO THIS WAS THE SAME REQUEST.
HOWEVER, THE, UH, APPLICANT WAS NOT ABLE TO PROCEED WITH BUILDING PERMITS AT THE TIME SO THAT SPECIAL PERMIT EXPIRED.
SO THEY HAVE COME FORWARD WITH THE SAME REQUEST WITH NO MODIFICATIONS.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT WHO IS A LOCAL FRANCHISEE OF SEVEN BREW COFFEE SHOP.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LO ZONED LOCAL RETAIL TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, WEST, AND SOUTH ARE ALSO DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, AS ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ACROSS BELTLINE.
THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE TODAY.
SO THIS WAS THE SITE OF THE FORMER LOCATION OF THE VELVET SNOUT DOG BOARDING FACILITY.
THEY OPERATED HERE FROM 2006 TO 2000, UH, IN 20 WHERE THEY, UH, WHEN THEY RELOCATED TO THEIR NEW LOCATION.
SO THIS SITE HAS SAT VACANT SINCE 2020.
UH, THESE ARE SOME PRO, UH, VID UH, PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE REAR.
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AND THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW 660 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING PROVIDING DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE ONLY.
THERE WILL BE NO INDOOR SEATING PROVIDED OR WALK-UP SERVICE.
SO SEVEN BREW COFFEE, UH, SERVES COFFEE AND OTHER OTHER BEVERAGES.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS LOCATION ARE 5:30 AM TO 10 30 TO 10 O'CLOCK, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND FROM 5:30 AM TO 11:00 PM ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAY.
THEY EXPECT THEIR PEAK HOURS TO BE IN THE MORNING BETWEEN EIGHT AND 9:00 AM AND THEY EXPECT TO HAVE EIGHT TO 10 EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYEES ON SHIFT DURING THOSE PEAK HOURS.
THIS CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS SOME OF THE CIRCULATION IN MORE DETAIL.
SO REPRESENTED IN THE RED SQUARES, UH, ARE THE, UH, DRIVEWAYS THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SITE.
SO THERE'S CURRENTLY A DRIVEWAY ON BELTLINE THAT CONNECTS TO THE SITE, BUT THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BE CLOSED.
UM, INSTEAD THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM THESE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON THE EAST AND WEST ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THERE IS AN SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THESE PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BELTLINE ROAD.
THEY WILL PROVIDE A DUAL STACKING DRIVE-THROUGH LANE THAT CAN SUPPORT UP TO 13 VEHICLES IN THE STACKING LANES AND UP TO 18 VEHICLES ON SITE.
IN TOTAL, THEY WILL PROVIDE PARKING, UH, ABOVE THE REQUIRED PARKING STANDARD OF ONE TO 100 SQUARE FEET.
INSTEAD OF THE SEVEN REQUIRED PARKING SPACES, THEY'LL BE PROVIDING 13 PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
SO FOR UH, CARS ENTERING THE SITE, THEY WILL ENTER FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, PROCEED COUNTERCLOCKWISE THROUGH THE SITE AND EXIT TO THE SOUTHEAST OR BACK THROUGH THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY OPENING.
SEE, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO IT'S A ONE STORY, 20 FOOT TALL STRUCTURE.
IT IS MADE OF SYNTHETIC STONE AND SYNTHETIC BRICK MATERIALS WITH STEEL ON INKS AND STEEL CANOPIES.
AND FINALLY, IN SUMMARY, IF THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS APPROVED, IT WILL BE LIMITED TO THE OPERATOR SEVEN BREW SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND THE SPECIAL PERMIT WILL EXPIRE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE IF A BUILDING PERMIT IS NOT OBTAINED WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
SO DURING THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SEVEN ZERO.
UH, AND STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THIS REQUEST AND NEITHER HAD STAFF RESPONDED ANY CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THE REQUEST IN 2023.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, MS. PETERS, I WAS LOOKING, I WAS DRIVING THROUGH THIS AND TRYING TO PICTURE, UM, BASED ON THE SCHEMATIC, LIKE WHERE IT IS COMPARED TO THE CURRENT BUILDING.
I KNOW THE CURRENT BUILDING'S GONNA BE TORN DOWN.
WILL YOU GO TO THE SLIDE? OKAY.
SO, AND CORRECT ME, UH, OR TELL ME HOW WRONG I AM ON THIS, BUT THE CURRENT BACK BUILDING OF THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE VELVET SNOUT, THE OLD VELVET SNOUT BUILDING, IS THAT AROUND KIND OF WHERE THAT 1312 CAR LINE IS? SO WE'RE MOVING THE WHOLE THING CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
THE VELVET SNOUT BUILDING IS MUCH LARGER AND PROBABLY GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO ABOUT WHERE NUMBER 13 IS BEHIND THE BUILDING TODAY.
THERE'S THAT ACCESS EASEMENT AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF A DOG RUN STILL BACK THERE.
BUT YES, THEY ARE GOING FROM THAT LARGER BUILDING TO THIS SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
AND WHEN READING THE PACKET OVER THE WEEKEND, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE, I GUESS THE ENGINEERING BEHIND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BUILT OFFSITE, IT'S BROUGHT IN AS A UNIT AND IT'S ANCHORED IN.
IS THAT A BETTER QUESTION FOR THEM? I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WILL BE A PREFABRICATED STRUCTURE.
I THINK THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE CONSTRUCTED ON SITE.
AND THE APPLICANT CAN CONFIRM THAT INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEE, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY ADDRESS IS 3 6 0 0 DARTMOUTH AVENUE IN DALLAS, 7 5 2 0 5.
ACTUALLY, RICHARD HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE.
UH, UM, I, I, MAYOR DUBBY WAS THERE AT THE TIME.
I AM OLD ENOUGH TO BEEN THERE.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UM, I, I, I, YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT TO,
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UH, HOPEFULLY HAVE A LOT OF GREAT COFFEE OPTIONS, UH, HERE IN TOWN, UM, AFTER HEARING THE LAST PRESENTATION AS WELL.UM, WE'RE VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS LOCATION.
UM, WE HAVE ONE OPEN AT ARAPAHOE.
UH, IT'S TECHNICALLY CITY OF DALLAS, AS YOU KNOW.
IT'S ON THE WALMART OUT PARCEL.
UH, IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE GOT, I THINK, A 4.7 GOOGLE RATING WITH HUNDREDS OF, UH, OF REVIEWS, WHICH IS PRETTY HARD TO DO IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS.
UM, IT WAS, UH, COMMUNICATION ERROR TRUTHFULLY WITH A CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAD ENGAGED, UH, THAT LET THE PERMIT EXPIRE WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE.
UM, PROBABLY, UH, YEAH, A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO THE LAST, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION.
UH, WE WISH WE'D, YOU KNOW, BEEN AHEAD OF THINGS AND, AND PRESERVE THE PERMIT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF COUNSEL TONIGHT TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SCOTT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE NOW, WHAT DELAYED THE OPENING AND THE PERMIT NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE PERMIT.
WHAT, WHAT CAUSED THAT TO HAPPEN? YEAH, TRUTHFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A YOUNG BUSINESS.
UM, THE CORPORATE PARENT IS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO MAKE A BIG INVESTMENT IN OUR PLATFORM.
UH, SO THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE.
THIS WILL BE A CORPORATE OWNED STORE AFTER WE GET IT OPEN.
UH, BUT AS A, YOU KNOW, AS A NEW BUSINESS, A VERY, VERY FAST GROWING BUSINESS, UM, TRUTHFULLY, WE JUST HAD TO SLOW DOWN OUR EXPANSION.
WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE JUST TEED UP.
AND SO WE HAD TO SLOW THINGS, UH, DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, REALLY JUST FROM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR BUSINESS PHILOSOPHY IS QUALITY, UH, OVER, OVER SPEED.
TRUTHFULLY, THE, THE CONCEPT IS, UH, ALL ABOUT FAST SERVICE, BUT FROM US GROWING OUR TEAM AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, JUST A REALLY SUPER HIGH QUALITY, UH, OPERATION, UM, WE JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, PRUDENT TO GO A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.
SO WE REALLY JUST SLOWED THINGS DOWN BY ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. BARRIOS? UH, CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION? I ASKED MS. PETERS ABOUT THE PREFAB AND HOW THAT WORKS.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DID ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO, UM, PRE, YOU KNOW, PREFAB AND MODULAR BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY FOR A BUILDING THIS SIZE, I BELIEVE REALLY ARE THE WAY OF THE FUTURE.
UM, WE, THIS ONE WILL BE A PREFAB BUILDING.
THE, THE STRUCTURAL, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
EVERYTHING WILL BE BUILT IN A FACTORY IN MISSOURI.
UM, A FACTORY BUILDS AT ALL STEEL, SUPER HIGH QUALITY CONSTRUCTION.
THEY BUILT 50 OR 60 OF THESE BUILDINGS.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.
BUILT EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO SURGICAL HOSPITALS.
AND THE BENEFIT OF A PREFAB BUILDING IS, IT'S, IT'S JUST A MUCH MORE TIGHT CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
UH, IT'S JUST A HIGHER QUALITY CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, TRUTHFULLY THAN, THAN HIRING, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR A BUILDING THIS SIZE, THEN HIRING SUBS AND, AND, UH, TRYING TO DO IT IN A TRADITIONAL, UH, WAY.
SO THE BUILDING IS SHIPPED DOWN IN THREE PIECES.
YOU CAN DO ALL THE INSPECTIONS YOU WANT.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCES WOULD BE IF WE BUILT THIS GROUND UP, IT'D BE TRADITIONAL WOOD, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CALL WOOD STICK.
YOU POUR A FOUNDATION, YOU PUT A WOOD FRAME UP, UM, AND WE HAVE, OF OUR, OF THE SIX LOCATIONS WE HAVE IN DFW THREE ARE WOOD STICK AND THREE ARE PREFAB BY FAR.
THE PREFABS ARE HIGHER QUALITY, THEY HOLD UP BETTER, THEY HAVE LESS MAINTENANCE.
THEY JUST ARE, YOU KNOW, SUPERIOR PRODUCT.
QUITE FRANKLY, I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE TRIED PREFAB IN A MEDICAL, ON A MEDICAL BUILDING ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO, AND I WASN'T IMPRESSED.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THE TECH, JUST THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE ADVANCEMENTS IN CONSTRUCTION, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR A BUILDING, THAT'S THE SIMPLE.
UM, IT'S ABSOLUTELY, I, I THINK A FAR SUPERIOR PRODUCT.
SO YOU POUR A FOUNDATION WITH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS PIERCE COMING OUT, AND THEN YOU LINE UP THE HOLES, THAT'S IT.
SCREW IT IN AND YEAH, FINISH IT OUT.
YOU DO ALL THE HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION LIKE YOU WOULD FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IN UTILITIES, YOU PUT IN YOUR FOUNDATION, THE BUILDING SHOWS UP, IT'S PUT TOGETHER ON SITE.
AND THEN WE HAVE LOCAL SUBS, UH, YOU KNOW, LICENSED ELECTRICIAN, PLUMBERS, HVAC, FOLKS THAT HOOK THE BUILDING UP, TESTED, MAKE SURE IT'S RUNNING.
SO IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PERMITTING PROCESS AS A GROUND UP CONSTRUCTION THAT IS SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, HAS TO MAKE SURE THE ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, HVAC IS ALL UP TO STANDARD.
UM, IT'S REALLY JUST TRUTHFULLY JUST THE, THE PHYSICAL
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CONSTRUCTION.THE BUILDING IS HAPPENING IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT MAKES IT STRONGER AND MORE DURABLE.
UM, I, I LIVE NOT TOO FAR FROM YOUR, UH, QUAT LOCATION 'CAUSE I LIVE AT QUAT AND BELTLINE.
AND, UH, I KNOW MY TEENAGE SON IS A FAN OF YOUR LOCATION.
UM, IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY, BASED ON THE LITTLE I KNOW OF YOUR MENU, UH, THAT THAT KIND OF TEENAGE AND EARLY TWENTIES IS KIND OF THE KEY DEMOGRAPHIC YOU GUYS ARE GOING FOR? 'CAUSE I MEAN, I LOVE MY WIFE AND SHE'S A WONDERFUL WOMAN AND I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO HER BEFORE SHE HAS COFFEE IN THE MORNING, BUT IF I GAVE HER COFFEE AT 10:00 PM I DON'T THINK, UH, WE'D LAST THIS LONG.
SO SHE'S NOT A 10:00 PM COFFEE DRINKER.
SHE'S A, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR 6:00 AM COFFEE DRINKER.
YOU KNOW, OUR DEMOGRAPHICS BY LOCATION, UH, REALLY CHANGE A LOT.
WE DO DO A LOT OF, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, 30 AND UNDER, UH, FOR SURE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS, COLLEGE KIDS AND SO FORTH.
BUT WE DO A LOT OF PARENTS, WE DO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MOMS, YOU KNOW, AND DADS DRIVING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.
WE DO A LOT OF, WE, WE GET IN VERY ENGAGED.
WE, WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET VERY ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE ARE BIG SUPPORTERS OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS, JUST DO DONATIONS AND FUNDRAISERS AND AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO YES, AT, AT THE NORTH, AT THE LOCATION IN QUITE ARAPAHO, UH, WE GET A GOOD AFTERSCHOOL CROWD FOR SURE.
WE GET THE KIDS COMING BY AFTER SCHOOL.
UM, BUT WE GET A VERY WIDE VARIETY OF FOLKS COMING THROUGH IN THE MORNING.
THIS IS A REALLY, UM, AND I, I REALLY DID LOVE THE LAST CONCEPT A LOT.
UM, COFFEE CAN BE TAKEN, LIKE FOOD RIGHT, IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
THE EXPERIENCE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE DIFFERENT.
UM, THIS IS A REALLY, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE, HIGH ENERGY, FUN CONCEPT.
UH, AND SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTRACTED TO IT, THE COFFEE'S VERY GOOD.
THE PRODUCT'S VERY, VERY GOOD.
UM, BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTRACTED TO THIS AS OPPOSED TO GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR COFFEE ALSO ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE.
THEY JUST ENJOY THE, THE POSITIVE ENERGY THAT OUR EMPLOYEES GIVE OFF.
UM, POSITIVE, YOU KNOW, JUST VIBE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE OF COMING THROUGH.
I KNOW THAT SOUNDS STRANGE FOR A DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, I MIGHT NOT HAVE BELIEVED IT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO BEFORE WE GOT INTO THIS BUSINESS, BUT IT, IT REALLY IS A, A MAJOR PART OF THIS BRAND.
THIS IS, THIS WAS THE FASTEST GROWING QSR, UH, IN THE COUNTRY LAST YEAR.
IT JUST, UM, IT'S REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOME VERY, UM, IT'S A HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT.
UH, AND WHEN IT'S DONE RIGHT WITH THE RIGHT EMPLOYEES, IT REALLY CREATES A REALLY POSITIVE, UH, EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILSON? ALRIGHT, UM, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH SCOTT.
WILL, UNLESS YOU TAKE A SEAT, PLEASE, SIR, AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANYONE.
I'LL BE LOOKING FOR MR. HUTCH.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT A MOTION.
GONNA GET A SECOND, MR. SHAEL SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL, MR. CORCORAN? HEY.
UH, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US ON DECEMBER 12TH, 2022, I GAVE A A VERY LENGTHY REASON WHY I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT, FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT.
I'LL JUST REFER YOU TO THAT VIDEO, UH, FOR MY REASONING FOR NOT, UH, NOT VOTING FOR IT THIS TIME AS WELL.
YEAH, I'LL ECHO ECHO THOSE COMMENTS.
MR. WILSON, LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR INVESTMENT, PARTICULARLY AS A, YOU KNOW, FORMER RICHARDSON RESIDENT AND RASD GRADUATE.
UM, I THINK I, MY POSITION'S EVEN MORE FIRM NOW THAT WE'VE PASSED THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT MAKES THIS A STUDY AREA.
AND SO FOR, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, I'LL MAINTAIN MY POSITION AS LAST TIME AND, AND VOTE NO AS WELL, JUST 'CAUSE OF THE CONCERN OF SORT OF THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF DRIVE THROUGHS IN THIS AREA.
UH, YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK I VOTED FOR YES LAST TIME AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THE LAND AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN'T REALLY GET MUCH OTHER THAN THIS KIND OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THIS DRIVE THROUGH, EVEN THOUGH THIS ADDED MORE GREEN, EVEN LAST TIME I MENTIONED THAT THIS IS THIS AREA, I NEED SOME MORE GREEN, UH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, LOTS OF CONCRETE AROUND THERE.
SO THIS IMPROVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE DRIVE THROUGH LOOK, IT IS GONNA LOOK BETTER THAN WHAT'S TODAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING A COFFEE SHOP LIKE THERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME OPTION.
WE HAVE TOO MANY CHICKEN OUT CHICKEN SHOP OUT THERE, BUT, UH, BUT COFFEE SHOP WOULD BE, UH, A GOOD CHOICE.
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AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, UH, WE HAVE A JUICE PLACE THERE, UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW HE'S DOING THERE, BUT I THINK COFFEE WOULD BE GOOD.AND I THINK I, I STILL WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, THIS CASE.
UH, NOT NECESSARILY THAT MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE SUPPORTING ANY DRIVE THROUGH, BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, SHAPE, AND LOCATION, THIS WOULD BE GOOD ADDITION.
UH, ON BEHALF OF ALL THE CHICKEN SHOPS OUT THERE, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT OBVIOUSLY THE MARKET SUPPORTS IT OR WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT MANY, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, UM, I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THIS AREA AND JUST HAVING THAT BIGGER VISION.
I KNOW MY COLLEAGUE, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN'S ALWAYS TALK, USES THE WORD ELEVATE AND HE'S ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT ELEVATING THIS AREA.
AND I KNOW ONE THING WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I'M QUITE SURPRISED THAT NO, NOBODY, UH, AT LEAST I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I'M QUITE SURPRISED BY THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW, UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS AREN'T THEIR FAVORITE.
AND, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SAY NO TO THAT AS WELL.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THERE YET.
I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE IT SOME TIME.
I THINK THERE'S MORE POTENTIAL IN THIS AREA.
SO, UH, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE DEMAND FOR THE PRODUCT, WHILE I UNDERSTAND IT'S A INTERESTING MARKET, AND AS A, AS A SOMEBODY WITH MARKETING BACKGROUND, I'M ALWAYS FASCINATED WHEN I SEE NEW CONCEPTS ENTER MARKETS AND WHAT THEY, HOW THEY DISRUPT AND CREATE NEW OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, SO, SO IT'S A FASCINATING CONCEPT.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT CONCEPT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING IN RICHARDSON AT THIS TIME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL JUST ADD ONE THING WE VOTED FOR, UH, IT ONE LAST TIME, I THINK IT WAS A FIVE TWO VOTE AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS.
UH, I HATE TO GO BACK, BUT THEN AGAIN, THE UM, APPLICANT'S DID LET IT GO DARK.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT BEING AN ISSUE AS WELL.
BUT CONTRARY TO THE PREVIOUS CASE, THERE IS NO ONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS OBJECTED TO IT.
AND I KIND OF GO ALONG WITH WHAT MR. SHAM SHUL SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S BEEN A DEAD BUILDING A LONG TIME AND THERE THERE'S NOT ANY ACTIVITY GOING ON THERE AND THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO START, UH, RAMPING THINGS BACK UP.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY CONTRARY TO OUR VISION.
UM, AND I WILL GO BACK THAT WE SAID NO TO THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AND I WAS ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME THAT THOSE THINGS WERE HAPPENING.
AND THEN WHEN COVID CAME IN, EVERYONE TOLD US THAT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE WAY OF THE FUTURE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE WAY OF THE FUTURE OR NOT, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS COULD CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THAT PARTICULAR CONCEPT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF DRIVE THROUGHS, BUT I REMEMBER WHAT ALL THE APPLICANT SAID, WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD HOLD FOR US.
AND I HATE TO TELL SOMETHING, TELL ONE INDIVIDUAL OR ONE GROUP THAT YES, YOU GOT IT, IT PASSED, AND THEN US NOT STICK BY THAT.
SO PERSONALLY, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR IT.
SO CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? ADD ONE THING? YEAH.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS VERY SMALL.
SO IF WE HAVE A LARGER PROJECTS COME IN THAT AREA, NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW IDEA, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS PREFAB 600 PLUS SQUARE FEET BUILDING IS NOTHING REALLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD THAT ALSO ANOTHER FACTOR THAT I THINK I'M NOT TOO MUCH CONCERNED THAT THIS WILL STOP ANY KIND OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE APPROVED A FEW, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY AND BECAUSE OF THE MANY OTHER FACTORS, THEY, THEY COULD NOT START ANY CONSTRUCTION.
SO THIS IS GONNA TAKE EASILY ANOTHER 10 YEARS BEFORE WE SEE ANY OTHER MORE BENEFICIARY.
SO I'M NOT REALLY ONLY ABOUT ANY, ANYTHING THAT THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE, UH, PROBLEM LIKE FOR ANY FUTURE, YOU KNOW, DREAM PROJECT COMING INTO THIS AREA.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTING.
SPEAKING OF THE AREA, COCO SHRIMP IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR WHO IS THRIVING WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH TO THE WEST.
YOU'VE GOT THE PIZZA PLACE THAT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME BEFORE, UH, DRIVE-INS WERE, BECAME A SPECIAL USE AND THEY DO GREAT BUSINESS AS WELL.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET WE'VE GOT THE DONUT SHOP WITH ONE.
I THINK THAT ONE LITTLE CORRIDOR RIGHT THERE IS CONDUCIVE TO IT.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE
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THE BIG SCHEME OF HOW IT'S PERCEIVED AND IT'S KIND OF A HOT POCKET THERE.MR. DORIAN, I I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING FOR EVERYONE'S, UM, COMMENTS.
UM, THIS, THIS WILL GIVE US ABOUT THREE COFFEE SHOPS ON THAT CORNER.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A STARBUCKS, THERE'S THE DONUT PLACE, AND THEN OF COURSE THIS PLACE.
UM, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, AND AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EVEN APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH OR GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, IS, IS THERE NOT ANOTHER ESCAPE, UH, EXIT ON THE UM, 'CAUSE I MEAN YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING TO GET OUT, CORRECT? I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET BACK OUT.
ONTO THE SIDE ROAD TO GET ONTO BELTLINE.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT TRAFFIC STUDY'S OKAY, I GUESS.
ANYWAY, UM, AGAIN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, DISCUSS, I THINK, UH, I, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND THE TRAFFIC, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH BETTER FOR THE LARGER PICTURE OF THE TRAFFIC ON BILL LINE.
SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE TRAFFIC GOES OUT TO THE BILL LINE MUCH FASTER, THAT WOULD PROBABLY CREATE MORE ISSUE.
BUT RATHER THAN THIS ONE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO, I GOT IT.
BE MORE CONTROLLED AND I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, IS THERE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION? I CALL FOR A MOTION TO ON ZONING FILE 24 27.
ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. SHA SHUL? ALL RIGHT, I PUT A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PUBLIC, UH, HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 27.
A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON A 0.0 0.62 ECHO LOT CURRENTLY ZONE LR DASH M TWO, LOCAL LOCAL RETAIL LOCATED AT 1230 EAST BELINE ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BELINE ROAD, WEST OF PLAN ROAD.
OKAY, GOT A MOTION? ANYBODY WANT A SECOND? ALRIGHT, THERE'S NO SECOND.
ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION? SURE.
ALRIGHT, MR. MAYOR, I MOTION TO, UH, REJECT ZONING FILE 24 DASH 27.
OKAY, GOT A MOTION MR. BARRIOS? I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALRIGHTY, YOU'VE GOT FIVE DENIALS.
THOSE OPPOSED FIVE, TWO, IT IS DEFEATED.
[9. CONSENT AGENDA]
WE NOW GO TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONSENT AGENDA.I WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO REQUEST, UH, FOR TWO, UH, ITEMS TO BE ADDRESSED HERE.
UH, THE FIRST IS, UH, UH, ITEM NINE, A ONE AND TWO.
UM, AS YOU RECALL, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, UH, EARLY SEPTEMBER, WE BRIEFED, UH, CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE ELECTION PROCESS FOR BOTH COLIN AND DALLAS COUNTY, UH, OR COLIN AND DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICTS.
UM, JUST A REMINDER IS THAT, UH, NOW TAXING ENTITIES ARE ALLOCATED VOTES BY BOTH BASED ON THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THEIR TAX LEVY AS A PERCENT.
UM, IN, UH, COLLIN COUNTY, WE HAVE 78 OF THE 5,000 VOTES IN DALLAS COUNTY.
WE HAVE 50 OF THE 5,000 VOTES.
UM, AFTER, UM, REVIEWING, UM, THE NOMINEES, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO YOU, UM, UH, RICHARD, UH, GRADY OR RICK GRADY, FORMER MAYOR PRO TEM OF PLANO.
UH, A LONG TIME, UH, RICHARDSON, UH, FRIEND AND COLLABORATOR AND, UM, SERVED IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ROLES, UM, AS, UH, AS HE SERVED THE CITY OF PLAINTIFF FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND THEN BRETT FRANKS FIRST ELECTED IN 2012 TO THE CITY OF S CITY COUNCIL, NOW PRO TIM, NOW MAYOR PRO TIM ALSO, WHO, UM, PROVIDED YOU WITH SOME BACKGROUND, UM, ON HIS, UM, HIS SELF AS WELL AND ASKED FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
SO, UH, JUST AS A, AS A REMINDER, MAYOR, WE'VE, UH, UM, SINCE SEPTEMBER WORKED WITH BOTH APPRAISAL DISTRICTS TO, UH, NAVIGATE THEIR PROCESSES AND YOUR ACTIONS TONIGHT WOULD, UH, ALLOCATE, UH, THE VOTES RESPECTFULLY TO EACH, UH, EACH CANDIDATE.
OKAY, MS. JUSTICE MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PUBLISHED.
MR. IAN WRITER SECOND GOT A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE RAISE YOUR HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY BRINGS US TO
[10. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]
ITEM NUMBER 10, REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY[03:05:01]
INTEREST.UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST DO A COUPLE 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S MANY THINGS 'CAUSE WE WERE VERY, VERY BUSY THIS WEEK.
FIRST OFF, WANNA THANK THE RICHARDSON WOMEN'S CLUB FOR THEIR CANDLELIGHT AND RIBBON CUTTING THAT WE ATTENDED ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
UM, THEY DID AN AMAZING JOB, UM, AND JUST REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR, THEIR, UM, SUPPORT OF OUR CITY AND ALL THAT THEY DO FOR US.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS AMAZING TO ME TO, TO GO TO THAT EVENT.
I JUST, I JUST THOROUGHLY AND ABSOLUTELY ENJOY IT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, SECONDLY, UM, JUST WANNA REALLY, REALLY, UM, CONGRATULATE THE RICHARDSON, UH, SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA FOR THEIR, UM, CONCERT, UM, I GUESS CHRISTMAS CONCERT WITH A HELPING JAZZ INITIATIVE.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'LL EVER LISTEN TO ANOTHER CHRISTMAS CAROL IN MY ENTIRE LIFE WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION LINE OF KEEP THE CHANGE A FILTHY ANIMAL.
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU WERE THERE, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS AND I I IF YOU MISSED IT, YOU MISSED A GREAT CONCERT.
SO I JUST WANNA CONGRATULATE, UM, LORI GARVEY AND HER ENTIRE TEAM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL EVER RE I'LL NEVER FORGET, KEEP THE CHANGE.
YEAH, I'LL ECHO THOSE COMMENTS.
UH, ALSO, I NEVER IN AMA A MILLION YEARS IMAGINED THAT THE RSO WOULD PLAY JAMES BROWN AND REALLY EPIC VERSION OF THE FUNKY LITTLE DRUMMER BOY.
UM, SO IT WAS REALLY FANTASTIC.
I WAS JUST, COULD BARELY STAY IN MY SEAT, BOB INTO IT.
IT WAS REALLY, REALLY AN AWESOME PERFORMANCE AND A GREAT, UH, PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE RSO AND THE HELPING JAZZ INITIATIVE.
UM, ALSO, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE EISMAN CENTER IS THE SWINGLE, IF YOU WANNA GET IN THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT, A GREAT CONCERT THAT YOU CAN, UM, GET TICKETS TO AT THE THE EISMAN CENTER TOMORROW.
AND, UH, I'M SURE OTHERS WILL TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT WE HAD OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DINNER, UM, THIS PAST THURSDAY NIGHT TO CELEBRATE ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT THAT SERVE ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND, AND TO THANK THEM FOR THE GREAT WORK THEY VOLUNTEER TO DO.
UH, SOME, UH, ONE OF OUR NEWEST MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT,
SO, UM, ANYWAY, UH, IT WAS A GREAT, GREAT TO CELEBRATE THEM.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA, EXCUSE ME, I JUST WANNA ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE SAID.
GREAT JOB TO STAFF FOR PLANNING THAT THE BOARD AND COMMISSION DINNER.
UH, I KNOW THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED, SO THANK YOU STAFF.
AND AGAIN, JUST THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY PUT IN TO SERVE OUR CITY, IT, IT'S ALWAYS AN HONOR TO SERVE, UH, ALONGSIDE WITH THEM HERE AS PART OF THE COUNCIL.
AND, UM, THEY DO A HECK OF A JOB AND THERE'S SO MANY DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS AND WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T DO WHAT, UH, ANY OF US RICHARDSON WOULDN'T BE RICHARDSON WITHOUT ALL THE DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS.
WELL, UH, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER, WE MISSED OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE THIS TIME LAST SATURDAY, AND ALSO THE OPENING CEREMONY FOR THE SANTAS VILLAGE ALSO CANCELED.
BUT GOOD THING ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, SANTAS VILLAGE IS OPEN AND, UH, AND LOOK FORWARD NEXT YEAR.
I WISH WE COULD FAST FORWARD THIS AND MOVE TO THE T NEXT YEAR.
OKAY, I'M GONNA SHARE SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY COOL THIS PAST WEEK.
UM, I GOTTA GIVE KUDOS TO CHRIS SHACKLEY AND, UH, MR. MAGNER.
WE, UH, DID A RIBBON CUTTING THIS PAST WEEK, UH, FOR GEICO, AND IT WAS HUGE.
THEY'RE BRINGING 500 NEW EMPLOYEES TO THEIR CAMPUS HERE IN RICHARDSON.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE TALK ABOUT REALLY WORKING HARD TO SECURE QUALITY COMPANIES AND COMPANIES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES, THAT'S THE KIND OF PRODUCT THAT'S BEING DONE.
AND SO, DON, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
YOU KNOW, I, I GOT TO GO AND HAVE MY PICTURE TAKEN WITH THE BIG LIZARD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GECKO IS AMAZING, IT'S AMAZING.
BUT, UH, AND WHAT WAS REALLY COOL, UM, NOT THAT MY PICTURE WAS THERE, BUT IT WAS IN THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AND IT WAS ABOUT OVER A HALF PAGE IN SIZE.
BUT I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS BEING IDENTIFIED AND IS THE TARGET OF MANY, MANY BUSINESSES, AND WE CAN SEE IT HAPPENING.
THIS IS ABOUT 25 NEW THING ANNOUNCEMENTS, I THINK IN 2024.
SO COME TO THE STATE OF THE CITY IN JANUARY, WAS THAT JANUARY 29TH? JANUARY 29TH, AND YOU'LL GET THE FULL EDITION AND ALL THE BRAGGING RIGHTS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE.
BUT, UH, WITH THAT, I WAS JUST, THAT WAS JUST REALLY COOL AND I'LL GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO GEICO FOR, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE
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THEM AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE OUR TEAM THAT'S DOING AN AMAZING JOB, UM, OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
IT, COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 5 5, 1 0.0 8, 7 1, AND TWO OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, GOOD TIMING AND NEGOTIATIONS, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON WEST RENNER ROAD, ALMA ROAD AREA.THE TIME IS CURRENTLY NINE 10.
WE WILL RECOM OR WE WILL OPEN UP IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN 15 MINUTES AT 9 25.