Dec 17, 2024 City Planning Commission Meetings

FEET FROM THE, UH, PRIMARY DOOR OF THE BUILDING.

AND, UH, WHAT WAS, UH, STAFF'S, UM, FEELING ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE STORM SHELTER THERE ON JOHNSON VERSUS ON THE EAST SIDE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTH SIDE? WAS THERE ANY VIEW ON THAT DIGIT WAS DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ABOUT THAT? SO, UH, WHAT THEY SHOW HERE IS THE STORM SHELTERS 221

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THE PRIMARY DOOR WILL BE FACING THE JOHNSON BOULEVARD SIDE.

UM, THEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, AND STAFF WAS OKAY WITH THAT AS LONG AS THERE'S MORE LANDSCAPING PROVIDED THERE.

UM, AND IF THEY THINK THAT IS THE BEST LOCATION, THERE ARE TRAVEL DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE PRIMARY DOOR TO, UH, THE STORM SHELTER, UM, THAT MAY HAVE, UH, INFLUENCED EXACTLY WHERE THAT WAS WAS ON THE SITE.

UH, AND, AND THERE WERE ALSO SOME UTILITIES ON THE SITE AND EASEMENTS THAT RESTRICTED WHERE THE ABILITY TO GO.

OKAY, WE CAN COVER THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO? YEAH, WE DO NOT HAVE, AND MAY, MAYBE I LOST THE PAGE HERE, BUT THERE'S NO 120 STUDENT LIMITATION ON THE MOTION SUMMARY THAT WE RECEIVED.

WAS THAT ADDED AFTER THE FACT? THAT WAS ADDED AFTER THE FACT AFTER WE STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS IN OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOLS APPROVED RECENTLY.

SO THAT IS AN OPTION TO INCLUDE THAT CONDITION.

IT SEEMS LIKE AS OF LIKE THE CONDITION THE, THE COMMISSION HAS TRENDED TOWARDS APPLYING A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL AS TO HOW MUCH CONTROL, UM, THE CITY WISHES TO, TO HAVE ON THESE.

AND, UH, IF THEY WANNA COME BACK TO EXCEED THAT ENROLLMENT.

PART OF THE CALCULATION IS, IS OUR, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS BASED ON AN ASSUMPTION OF A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT.

AND I THINK WE USED 124, UH, THOSE ANALYSES.

SO, UM, THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, AT A STAFF LEVEL, WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE, THE SURROUNDING, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE COULD SUPPORT IT.

AND IF THERE WERE CHANGES NEEDED TO QUEUING OR PICK UP AND DROP OFF TIMES TO, TO DISTRIBUTE THAT OUT.

DO WE HAVE ANY FEEL FOR THE, UH, CURRENT ENROLLMENT FOR CHICAGO NURSING OR ITT OR ANY OF THAT? 'CAUSE THOSE JUST THE ITT ENROLLMENT HAD TO BE HIRED.

THAT WAS SUCH A HOT COMMODITY FOR A WHILE.

OF COURSE, THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, WON'T THEY BE GIVING YOU NEW TRAFFIC ANALYSIS EVERY SCHOOL YEAR? MM-HMM .

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IF THAT NUMBER GOT A LOT HIGHER, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS MIGHT REVIEW AN ISSUE.

MM-HMM .

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO WAS THE, UM, THE PARKING WITH THE 195 SPACES, UM, THAT'S BEFORE THE STORM SHELTER OR, OR IS THAT AFTER? THAT'S AFTER THE STORM SHELTER.

AFTER THE STORM SHELTER.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS CHAIRMAN, UM, I THINK IT WAS STATED, UM, THAT THERE ARE REGULATIONS, UM, FOR DISTANCE TO STORM SHELTERS FROM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE EGRESS DOOR.

DOES THAT INCLUDE, UM, ANY KIND OF, OR DOES IT PROHIBIT ANY KIND OF IMPEDIMENTS LIKE A FENCE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IN THIS DIAGRAM? YOU KNOW, PRESUMPTIVELY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE GATE, I GUESS THE GATE'S PROBABLY AUTOMATIC, BUT WITH CARS, YOU KNOW, PRESUMPTIVELY, SOMEBODY WOULD'VE TO OPEN THE GATE IF THERE WAS A RUSH TO THE SHELTER, YES, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO OPEN THE GATE OR HAVE A PEDESTRIAN GATE, MAN GATE IN THERE THAT WOULD BE OPEN DURING THAT EVENT.

BUT THE REGULATIONS, DON, I'M NOT SURE IF THE REGULATIONS IT, I BELIEVE IT HAS TO BE, BE UNIMPEDED, THAT THAT'S A DETAIL THAT WE WOULD GET INTO, UM, IN THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE, UM, WHEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL STARTS HIS, HIS REVIEW.

UM, SO WE, WE WOULD TALK TO THEM AT THAT TIME ABOUT, UM, LIKELY HAVING SOME SORT OF GATE, UH, ON THE FENCE, UM, IN, IN THE PEDESTRIAN PATH OF, OF THE, UM, TO GET FROM THE DOOR TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE, THE STORM SHELTER.

AND LASTLY, JUST, UH, WHERE IS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE GONNA BE? IT'S GONNA BE FACING JOHNSON BOULEVARD.

I, THAT'S THE BUILDING CENTER BUILDING INTO THE SCHOOL.

I'M SORRY TO, THE PROPERTY WILL BE OFF OF JOHNSON BOULEVARD.

NO, YEAH, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING.

AND THAT'LL BE THAT EXISTING ENTRANCE AROUND THAT AREA ON THE WEST SIDE.

ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT.

WE CAN CONFIRM ALL THE WAY DOWN ON THE LEFT.

WELL, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A DUMPSTER, EXISTING DUMPSTER LOCATION.

AND THEN THEIR, UH, PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS

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HERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, THANK YOU.

SO WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD, HOW DO I ADVANCE THIS THING NEXT AND THEN POINT WITH GREEN? AGREE.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MARGO MURPHY WITH BALDWIN ASSOCIATES.

OUR ADDRESS IS 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 6.

I'M JOINED HERE BY TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE MASO SCHOOL.

UH, DON GOLDSTEIN IS CHAIR OF THE BOARD, AND DALE RHODES IS THE ARCHITECT.

AND I INVITE THEM TO JUMP IN AND SAVE ME EVERY TIME AND MAYBE USE THE POINTER TO POINT SOME THINGS OUT.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED, UM, THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

I THINK THEY'LL ALL BE ADDRESSED.

UH, BEFORE I BEGIN WITH THE PRESENTATION, I DO WANNA TAKE A MINUTE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I SERVED AS A COMMISSIONER FOR EIGHT YEARS AND ON THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

I GET IT.

IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

WHERE THE, WHERE THE MEDICAL CAMPBELL ROAD MEDICAL, UH, CONDOS ARE.

IT'S A LOT OF HEARTACHE AND A LOT OF TIME, SO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE FOR THE MACAU SCHOOL FOR GIRLS.

IT OPERATES RIGHT NOW ON, UM, PARK CENTRAL BOULEVARD, UH, NEAR THE WATERMARK CHURCH.

UH, THEY ARE EAGER TO, UM, VACATE THE BASEMENT OF THAT BUILDING AND HAVE SOME SUNLIGHT EVERY DAY FOR SCHOOL.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

THAT'S THE AREA OF REQUESTS.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG AREA.

YOU KNOW, WHERE THE SCHOOL IS.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.

UM, TO ANSWER A QUESTION, UM, THE SCHOOL THAT IS CURRENTLY OPERATING, UM, AT THAT SITE ENTERS OFF OF WATERVIEW AND THEIR FRONT DOOR FACES WATERVIEW.

THEY ALL, UM, THEY USE THE DOOR THAT FACES JOHNSON BOULEVARD AS THEIR BACK DOOR, BUT THE MASUR SCHOOL WANTS TO FLIP THAT.

AND SO THEY WOULD LIKE THAT THEIR STUDENTS TO ENTER OFF OF JOHNSON AND MAKE THAT ITS MAIN ENTRANCE.

THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE.

YOU KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS.

I'M NOT GONNA BORE YOU WITH THAT.

I JUST WILL POINT OUT THAT A SCHOOL, UH, UH, IT, WHEN, WHEN IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHURCH, DOES NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT.

IN THIS CASE, THESE YOUNG WOMEN WORSHIP IN THE PRAYER ROOM TWICE A DAY, SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CONGREGATION.

BUT WE'RE DOING BELT AND SUSPENDERS AND ASKING FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT BECAUSE THEY DO DO JUDAIC STUDIES AND WORSHIP TWICE A DAY.

UM, LIKE I SAID, THEY, RIGHT NOW, I THINK THEY HAVE 66 STUDENTS AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE AS, AS DESCRIBED.

THE TRAFFIC IS MINIMAL.

I WILL SAY ELIZABETH CROW IS AN EXPERIENCED TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

YOU MAY HAVE COME ACROSS HER BEFORE SHE VISITED THE CURRENT SITE.

AND HONESTLY, SHE SAID SHE'S NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT BECAUSE THESE FAMILIES CARPOOL.

SO, UH, I FOUGHT TRAFFIC TO GET HERE.

I THINK WE, UH, UH, COULD LEARN FROM, UH, THOSE FAMILIES THAT DO CARPOOL THERE.

IT'S JUST, SO THE REQUEST IS SIMPLE.

A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A, A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN WILL GOVERN THE SITE.

OH, YOU ASKED A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

THE CONCEPT PLAN IS THAT PLAN THAT SHE SHOWED YOU, THE SECOND ONE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU WITH A FENCE THAT ALL DOES NOT ENCROACH ON THE MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENTS AND FURTHER PUTS THE STORM SHELTER ALONG JOHNSON BOULEVARD, WHERE IT'S GONNA KIND OF BE HIDDEN BY, UM, BY SOME LANDSCAPING.

UM, SO THE, THE, THE TWO BIG CHANGES TO THE CONCEPT PLAN FROM THE EXISTING SITE ARE A FENCE AND SEVERAL GATES AND A STORM SHELTER.

UH, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL GOVERN, TO YOUR POINT, IT'LL BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR.

IF THERE ARE TOO MANY STUDENTS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC WILL DEAL IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WILL SAY NO.

UH, THERE ARE AMPLE PARKING SPACES ON SITE RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE 208, WE'RE REMOVING 10 PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THE STORM SHELTER.

SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S 198, BUT I COULD BE OFF THREE.

SO FORGIVE ME, DEREK, IF I AM.

UM, THE SCHOOL PARKING DEMAND RIGHT NOW, OR AT CAPACITY WOULD BE ABOUT 86.

THEY JUST DON'T, THEY DON'T THINK THEY'LL NEED THOSE PARKING SPACES.

SO YOU ASKED A QUESTION AND I HAVE AN ANSWER.

THERE ARE 276 STUDENTS CURRENTLY ENROLLED.

I VISITED, UH, THE SCHOOL, THE CHICAGO SCHOOL A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND THEY GAVE ME THEIR NUMBERS.

THERE ARE 276 STUDENTS ON AVERAGE.

90 STUDENTS ARE THERE AT ANY ONE TIME MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

THAT'S MORE THAN WE WILL HAVE FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

AND ON WEEKENDS THEY, THEY AVERAGE 125.

I DON'T THINK TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

SO IF THE COMMISSION SEES FIT TO PUT AN ENROLLMENT, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN ENROLLMENT CAP LARGER THAN THE, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY PROPOSE THAT ENROLLMENT CAP, WE JUST SAID THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT OUR MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT TO BE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE THERE.

BUT WE WOULD ACCEPT A, A ENROLLMENT CAP, BUT WE'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF ELBOW ROOM IF YOU DON'T, IF, IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, THOSE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

UM, THOSE ARE ALSO PHOTOS OF THE SITE ACROSS THE RETENTION POND,

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THIS IS THE PHOTO OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

UH, THAT'S THE CATHOLIC CENTER STUDENT CENTER FOR UTD.

UM, I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DIOCESE, THE COO, ET CETERA.

UM, AND THEY, THEY'RE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.

THEY JUST WANT THE MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENTS TO REMAIN OPEN, WHICH WE'VE AGREED TO DO.

UH, BUT, UH, THEY'RE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND THE USE.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AND LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE, WELL, NO, THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE WE SUBMITTED.

THIS IS THE ONE WITH THE ALTERNATE FE UH, FENCING.

AND SO YOU SEE THE FENCING THERE IS CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, UH, IN HERE.

AND THERE'S A GATE HERE.

UH, THE TRAFFIC WILL ENTER OFF OF JOHNSON, COME IN ALONG HERE, STOP.

THIS IS THE ENTRY RIGHT HERE TO THE SCHOOL.

IT'LL COME AROUND.

THE GATES WILL BE OPEN, AND THEY'LL TURN AROUND AND EXIT ON JOHNSON.

THEY WILL NEED TO TAKE A RIGHT TURN ONTO JOHNSON TO EXIT.

YOU ASKED ABOUT THE STORM SHELTER AND THE PATH.

THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF, OF CERTAIN FEET, AND THEY MEET IT HERE, THERE IS A, UH, GATE THERE THAT WILL ALLOW, UH, EXITING.

UM, I THINK IT WILL BE THERE.

IT WILL, UH, EVEN CONTAIN A PANIC, PANIC HARDWARE SO THAT THE STUDENTS CAN CAN USE IT.

SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.

NOW THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHY THERE, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT WE LOOKED AT ALL KINDS OF LOCATIONS.

SO THERE, THERE'S A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT HERE, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

THERE'S A MUTUAL ACCESS HERE, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

WE HAD IT HERE, UTILITY EASEMENTS.

SO THERE, THERE WEREN'T TOO MANY PLACES THAT THIS, UM, UH, STORM SHELTER COULD BE PLACED.

I THINK THIS IS ONE PLACE AND THEN, UH, TAKING UP PARKING SPACES THERE.

BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS LANDED ON THIS BECAUSE IT DESIGN-WISE, THAT MAKES MOST SENSE AND ALSO GIVES THEM, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE AROUND HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS.

UM, SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND, AND MS. CROW HAS 'EM COMING IN HERE AND COMING OUT THAT WAY.

UH, AGAIN, WE EXPECT TRAFFIC TO BE MINIMAL.

IN FACT, WE THINK THIS PROPOSED USE IS GONNA HAVE LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE EXISTING USE.

AND BY THE WAY, THAT, UH, SITE HAS BEEN A SCHOOL SINCE 2008.

SO IT'S JUST MAINLY, UH, THE AGE OF THE STUDENTS IS CHANGING FEWER STUDENT DRIVERS.

UH, LET'S SEE.

OH, WE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE WROTE A LETTER, SENT, YOU KNOW, A LETTER OF INFORMATION AND ALSO AN INVITATION TO COME TO A COMMUNITY MEETING.

NO ONE ATTENDED, AND NO ONE HAS RESPONDED TO OUR LETTERS WHERE WE JUST SAID, CALL US IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WE THINK WE TAKE THAT AS A GOOD SIGN.

TAKE THAT AS A GOOD SIGN.

UH, SO GENERALLY WE THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT.

UH, WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT ARE THE CHANGES OF WROUGHT IRON SECURITY FENCE? A STORM SHELTER TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE MINIMAL, AND WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA IMPACT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

THAT'S IT.

UM, SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, UH, AND MR. RHODES AND MR. GOLDSTEIN CAN ASSIST.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

I ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS.

UH, SO, UM, UH, I, AGAIN, I I'M JUST, UH, CURIOUS ON THE, ON THE, UH, WHAT, LET ME ASK THE FIRST QUESTION.

WHY, WHY DO YOU NEED THE FENCE, THE SECURITY FENCE? UM, I THINK, UH, SECURITY IS AN ISSUE, UM, FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

AND ALL AROUND DALLAS, YOU SEE, UM, UH, PLACES OF WORSHIP IN SCHOOLS THAT HAVE SECURITY FENCING.

SO, SO IT, OUR, OUR JEWISH FRIENDS NEED SECURITY.

AND THEN, AND IT'S, AND BY THE WAY, THEY DID HIRE A CONSULTANT THROUGH THE JEWISH FEDERATION.

AND, AND A SIX FOOT FENCE WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED AND TO SECURE AS MUCH OF THE PERIMETER AS POSSIBLE.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHY THE ASK IS FOR A SIX FOOT FENCE.

I BELIEVE THE STAFF REPORT'S AT EIGHT, BUT IT, IT SHOULD BE CORRECT AS TO SAY A SIX FOOT FENCE.

UM, AND I THINK MS. PETERS MADE THAT STATEMENT IN, IN HER PRESENTATION.

SO IT'S, IT WOULD BE A SIX FOOT FENCE TO SECURE AS MUCH OF THE PERIMETER AS POSSIBLE.

UM, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WANTED TO SKEWER MORE OF THE PERIMETER, BUT THE MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENTS DON'T PERMIT THAT, AND THEY DON'T WANNA ENCROACH ON THOSE EASEMENTS.

HOW COME THE FENCE DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THEN? UH, WELL, IT, THERE ACTUALLY IS, IF YOU'LL, UH, MAY

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I GO BACK? YES.

UM, THERE IS, UM, PROPOSED FENCING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, AND IT WOULD GO ALONG HERE AND HERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE, PHASE TWO FENCES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, AND THAT WOULD BE PHASE TWO.

BUT SINCE THEIR STUDENTS ARE GONNA, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS SHOWN ON OUR EITHER ONE OF THE CONCEPT PLANS.

WAS IT, IT IT WAS, DID I JUST OVERLOOK THAT? IT IT WAS IN, IT WAS IN THE SUBMITTED PLAN AS PROPOSED.

AND I THINK THAT LANGUAGE IS RIGHT ABOUT THERE.

I'M SORRY, MINE ISN'T AS BIG AS, UH, MS. PETERS.

SO THE PLAN IS TO EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY TO WATERVIEW PARKWAY AND THEN ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

CORRECT, SIR.

AND, UM, WE WALKED THE PROPERTY RECENTLY, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF MATURE TREES ALONG WATERVIEW PARKWAY AND THE FENCE WOULD BE PLACED, UM, IN AN AREA TO, UH, MINIMALLY IMPACT THOSE TREES BECAUSE WE WANT THOSE TO LIVE AND STAY IN PLACE.

SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS IT'S NOT ALONG.

WELL, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME.

DO WE HAVE A, A, ANOTHER EXHIBIT? MAYBE IT WAS ON THE STAFF REPORT PORT.

SEE WE CAN BACK IT UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT IT ONLINE, BUT WE CAN SEE IT BETTER.

I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE RED.

YES, IT'S THE, AND THINKING THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE, BUT SORRY.

THE EASTERN PHASE IS NOT SHOWN ON HERE, SIMILAR TO THIS FENCE SHOWN ON THE WEST AND THE FUTURE, THERE MAY BE A FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE ALONG WATERVIEW ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED IF IT'S GONNA BE EXACTLY WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE.

UH, WE, WE DID SUBMIT A PLAN WITH THE PROPOSED AREA FOR THE, THE, THE FENCE ALONG, UH, THE ENTIRE PERIMETER.

AND, UM, IN FACT, UH, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE NEED TO JOG IT A FOOT OR TWO FOR, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE A TREE? SO YEAH, WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

SO IT, IT IS IN A PRETTY WELL-DEFINED AREA.

AND I'M, I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT ON THAT, ON THAT GRAPHIC, BUT IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED.

THAT, THAT'S WHY THE, AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, DURING STAFF QUESTIONS, THAT, THAT'S WHY WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE CONDITION THAT THE FENCE, UM, BE ABLE TO EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT WALL OF THE BUILDING, THAT GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY.

UM, AND IT SAYS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, SO THAT IF IT DOES NEED TO JOG OR IF OPERATIONALLY THINGS CHANGE AND THE NEW AREA NEEDS TO BE FENCED IN OR, OR WHATEVER COMES UP THERE, IS THAT FLEXIBILITY.

WELL, I, I THINK IT IMPACTS THE, THE APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC AND CERTAINLY ALONG WATERVIEW PARKWAY, IF YOU'RE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IF IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SIDEWALK OR IF IT'S AT THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT WHERE FOR WHERE THE PARKING IS.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT IT KIND OF AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE AS POSSIBLE ON THAT, ON THAT SIDE.

I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT INTERIOR TO THE TREE LINE ALONG WATERVIEW.

YEAH, I, I'M LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT, UH, B SO MR. MR ROAD, B2, WHERE IT'S GOT THIS DOTTED RED LINE? YES.

AND IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? YES, SIR.

AND IT'S, SO IT IS ON THE INSIDE OF THOSE TREES ON THE SCHOOL SIDE.

NOT ON THE SIDEWALK SIDE.

AND MR. RHODES, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, CORRECT.

UH, GOOD, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I'M DALE RHODES, UH, THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.

STATE YOUR ADDRESS.

UH, MY ADDRESS, UH, MY OFFICE ADDRESS IS 1 7 7 6 PRESTON ROADS, SUITE TWO 10, DALLAS, TEXAS.

SO IF I COULD JUST STAND OVER HERE, I CAN MAYBE KIND OF OR YOU CAN USE THE POINTER.

USE THE POINTER.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO ON, SO YOU CAN STAY ON MICROPHONE.

VERY GOOD.

THEY'RE, UH, PROVIDING FUNDING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO HERE'S A, JUST A, JUST A, JUST TO EXPLAIN, UH, THERE'S A NOTE RIGHT HERE THAT SAYS PROPOSED FUTURE FENCE.

AND THE, THE IDEA IS, AND JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, WHAT I'VE, UH, BEEN TOLD FROM MASO IS THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A FEDERAL GRANT TO, TO PAY FOR THIS FENCE BECAUSE, UH, I GUESS IT'S PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

SO THE IDEA IS, IS TO BUY AS MUCH FENCE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN WITH AN INITIAL GRANT, AND THEN, UH, REAPPLY TO GET A, A SECOND GRANT TO, UH, MAYBE FINISH OUT

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THE FRONT AREA OF THE FENCE.

AND THIS, THE, THIS FENCE IS BASED ON SECURITY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UH, THE SECURITY CONSULTANT AT, UM, JEWISH FAMILY SERVICE.

SO, UH, THE JEWISH FEDERATION ACTUALLY.

AND SO, BUT THIS FENCE WILL, UM, START RIGHT HERE.

IT WILL COME ACROSS, WE'LL HAVE A VEHICULAR GATE RIGHT HERE.

IT'LL COME UP THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.

IT'LL STAY, I THINK WE'RE SHOWING IT APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET IN FRONT OF THE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE, WHICH GIVES US PLENTY OF CLEARANCE IN FRONT OF THE TREES.

AND THEN OVER HERE, IT, IT RESUMES, ITS, UH, CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY A CREEK RIGHT HERE.

IT'S LIKE A, LIKE A BOX CULVERT RIGHT HERE THAT, UH, GOES UNDERNEATH WATERVIEW PARKWAY.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OUTFLOW COMES DOWN HERE AND INTO THIS DETENTION POND THAT'S DOWN OVER HERE.

SO REALLY, THIS IS THE ONLY PORTION THAT FRONTS, UH, WATERVIEW AND IT'S SET OFF ABOUT 10 FEET.

SO, AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK AND JUST RE RECONNECT RIGHT HERE.

AND SO THAT SHOULD BE ON THE EXHIBIT.

UM, AND IT MAY NOT JUST POP OUT AS WELL AS THE OTHER FENCE, BUT IT'S SHOWN AS A DASH LINE ON THE EXHIBIT.

YES, SIR.

UM, WELL, WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE, UH, MAYBE YOU CAN ALSO, UH, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE STORM SHELTER.

SO, UH, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN STATED EARLIER IS THAT WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

UH, OUR PREFERRED LOCATION WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT HERE.

UH, HOWEVER, WE HAVE A UTILITY EASEMENT RIGHT HERE.

SO THAT KIND OF ELIMINATED THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING IT THERE.

UH, THEN WE MOVED IT OVER HERE BECAUSE THIS IS OUTSIDE OF ANY, UM, SORT OF EASEMENTS THAT WE HAVE.

UH, AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF OTHER LOCATIONS.

UM, AND AGAIN, AS I'VE STATED, THE TRAVEL DISTANCE IS JUST SLIGHTLY OVER 200 FEET.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT 210 FEET.

UH, THE ICC 500 CODE, WHICH, UH, GOVERNS, UH, STORM SHELTERS, UH, SAYS THAT YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OFFSITE OR, YOU KNOW, EXTERIOR TRAVEL DISTANCE OF A THOUSAND FEET.

SO WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE THOUSAND FEET TRAVEL DISTANCE.

AND ANY LOCATIONS EVER CONSIDERED ON THE EAST SIDE? UH, NO, SIR.

AND THE REASON WHY, THAT'S BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN USING THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS THEIR KIND OF PRIMARY CENTER OF OPERATION.

THIS IS WHERE ALL THE CARPOOL IS.

THIS IS WHERE THEIR MAIN, UH, UM, ENTRANCE AND EXIT ARE.

AND SO THEY'RE REALLY NOT PLANNING AT THIS TIME TO REALLY UTILIZE THIS FRONT AREA.

YOU KNOW, IF ENROLLMENT INCREASES OVER, YOU KNOW, THE COMING YEARS, THEN THEY MAY CONSIDER THAT.

BUT AT THIS TIME, UH, THEY'RE REALLY JUST WANTING TO UTILIZE THIS AREA HERE AND, AND, OOPS.

AND, UM, I THINK I WENT THE WRONG WAY HERE.

I APOLOGIZE.

SO ANYWAY, BUT YEAH, THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY.

UH, AND THE, THE SHELTER WAS WITHIN THE SITE, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE ACCESS EASEMENT, WE, WE WENT TO THIS, YOU KNOW, SMALLER FOOTPRINT FOR THE FENCE AND, BUT BECAUSE WE WANNA MAINTAIN THE SCREENING OFF OF JOHNSON BOULEVARD, THE VISUAL SCREENING AND AVOID ANY ENTANGLEMENTS WITH EASEMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS, UH, SHELTER ENDED UP IN THAT LOCATION.

CLOSING COMMENTS? UH, YES.

AND, AND WHAT'S THE, AGAIN, WHAT'S THE SHELTER CONSTRUCTED OF? WHAT SORT OF MATERIALS? YEAH, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS, UH, WHAT WE CALL LIKE AN OFF THE SHELF TYPE OF SHELTER.

THE, THE VENDOR, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A, UH, QUARTER INCH THICK STEEL.

UH, IT'S IN A, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE A QUARTER INCH THICK STEEL PLATE.

UH, IT HAS BEEN MISSILE TESTED, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE FLYING DEBRIS DURING A TORNADO, UH, FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS, BUT IT'S BEEN MISSILE TESTED.

SO IT MEETS ALL THE ICC 500 CODES FOR MISSILE TESTING, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A, YOU KNOW, A PAINTED STEEL STRUCTURE.

SORRY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I THINK WE'RE OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME FOR NOW.

UM, SO WE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL JUST SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

SEEING NONE, DO YOU HAVE ANY

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WE WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD, UH, COMPLIMENTARY USE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF HAVING CONTINUING A SCHOOL USE THERE.

UH, WE BELIEVE THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE WILL BE VERY ATTRACTIVE.

THERE ARE SOME OTHERS, UH, ALONG WATERVIEW, UM, I GUESS IT'S ON THE DALLAS SIDE, SO IT WOULD COMPLIMENT THOSE, UH, FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

I KNOW THAT, UH, TEMPLE SHALOM, TEMPLE EMANUEL ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, PUTTING FENCES UP AROUND THEIR PROPERTIES, AGAIN VIA FEDERAL GRANTS, ET CETERA.

SO THAT, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.

UM, SO WE JUST HOPE YOU SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I DID HAVE ONE OTHER THING.

IF YOU HAD A REQUEST, UH, FOR CHANGING THE STUDENT, THE ENROLLMENT, WHAT WOULD IT BE? WELL, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

THE ENROLLMENT AT, UH, THE CURRENT SCHOOL IS 276 STUDENTS, AND TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE VERY ACCEPTABLE AT THAT LEVEL.

SO, UM, CERTAINLY A NUMBER BETWEEN 120 AND 276.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I, WE'D BE VERY AMENABLE TO A NUMBER AROUND 200, TWO AND A QUARTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS RIGHT NOW IS 17, I BELIEVE, OR THE STAFF.

YEAH, 17.

IT MAY BE AS MANY AS 20.

YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE TEACHERS AS THEY COME AND GO.

THE, THE TEACHERS THAT DO THE ADDRESS, THE GEO JUDAIC STUDIES ARE THERE IN THE MORNING.

THEY LEAVE, UM, THE GIRLS HAVE LUNCH AND THE, THE, THE TEACHERS THAT ARE THE NON-RELIGIOUS STUDIES ARRIVE IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO WHILE THEY MAY HAVE, UH, 20 MEMBERS OF STAFF, THEY'RE NEVER ON CAMPUS AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS, THAT WILL IN ORDER THE BENEFIT OF, OF THE SCHOOL AND NOT PUT A STRAIN ON PARKING AND THE IDEA OF MAYBE POTENTIALLY GOING, UM, HIGHER.

UH, ALSO, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT 195 PARKING SPACES, BUT, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, A LOT OF THE STUDENT'S CARPOOL TOGETHER.

YES, SIR.

RIGHT NOW, UM, A GOOD NUMBER OF STUDENTS CARPOOL, AND WE ONLY HAVE A HANDFUL THAT DRIVE THEMSELVES MAY SIX, MAYBE 10 AT MOST, I THINK, AND I'M GETTING NODS IN AGREEMENT OVER THERE.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE, THE NUMBERS, UH, AGAIN, VERY SURPRISING TO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT THAT'S UNUSUAL FOR A HIGH SCHOOL.

BUT THAT'S WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, SITUATION AT THE MASAR SCHOOL? SO WE DO BELIEVE THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING, EXCESS PARKING AT THAT SITE.

DOES STAFF HAVE ANY, UH, UH, SINCE THERE'S NO STANDARD FOR SCHOOLS ON PARKING, RIGHT? IS THAT, NO, THERE'S NONE.

AND THE OCCUPANCIES REALLY DETERMINED BY FIRE MARSHAL.

IN TERMS OF RIGHT.

AND BUILDING CODE.

AND, UH, SO THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD BE THE ONES REALLY TO DETERMINE IF WHAT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY COULD BE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED EXACTLY YET, UHHUH, BUT THAT IS RIGHT.

AND AS FAR AS AN, IF IT WAS, UM, EVEN AN OFFICE USE, YOU WOULDN'T DETERMINE OCCUPANCY PER SE? UM, NOT WITH, SO THERE'S REALLY NO, THERE'S REALLY NO GUIDING OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY, UH, STATE LICENSING.

I MEAN, THAT COULD BE A FACTOR, RIGHT? IN THE ENROLLMENT OR, AND HONESTLY, THE STORM SHELTER, YEAH.

BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE.

SO THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

UM, 'CAUSE THIS STORM SHELTER RIGHT NOW IS DESIGNED TO, UH, UM, AT A CAPACITY OF 120.

SO IF YOU, IF YOU WERE GONNA INCREASE THE ENROLLMENT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO TO PLAN B ON THE STORM SHELTER.

BUT, UM, THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE.

SO IT COULD BE A SECOND ONE OR IT COULD BE, UH, A LARGER RECONFIGURED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THERE, THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT.

THEY COULD REMOVE IT AND BUILD ONTO THE BUILDING.

I KNOW THAT, UH, SCHOOLS IN DALLAS, UM, ADD ONTO AN EXISTING BUILDING.

THEY CREATE A GYMNASIUM OR A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM THAT SERVES AS A STORM SHELTER AS WELL.

SO THERE, THERE'S A REALM OF POSSIBILITIES.

UH, ANYONE ELSE? UH, ONE MORE TIME FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK, I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA PUT SOME SORT OF ENROLLMENT LIMIT ON IT.

I MAKE A MOTION.

WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I SECOND THE MOTION I MOTION TO, AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL THOSE FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY DISCUSSION OR, UH, ACTION.

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AND I THINK THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN UPDATED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN EVERY YEAR, UM, SOUNDS LIKE A FINE SUBSTITUTE FOR ENROLLMENT LIMITATIONS IF PROTECT US FROM TRAFFIC.

MR. MAYBE HAS A COMMENT ON THAT.

SO THE ONLY THING I'D ADD ABOUT THE, THE STORM SHELTER, UM, YES.

THERE, THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS, UH, FOR HOW THE STORM SHELTER CAN BE ACCOMMODATED.

I, I WOULD JUST ADD, 'CAUSE THERE WERE DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIALLY ADDING ONTO THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WOULD ALSO TRIGGER THIS COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER SPECIAL PERMIT.

SO IF, IF THE LIMITING FACTOR REALLY IS THE STORM SHELTER, UM, IF THERE'S ANY SECONDARY STORM SHELTER IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING, THEY'RE ALREADY COMING BACK FOR REVISED CONCEPT PLAN ANYWAY.

IT'S JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

SO THE FACT OF IT LIMITS ONE 20 UNLESS THEY FIND A WAY TO DO IT INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING, WHICH IS POSSIBLE.

IT JUST GETS REALLY EXPENSIVE.

DO YOU HAVE, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT, UH, I KNOW WE'RE GOING BACK 20 YEARS WITH ITT, BUT, UH, ANY IDEA WHAT, UH, THE STUDENT POPULATION WAS THEN? NO, SIR.

ANECDOTALLY, I'D THINK IT'D BE HIGHER THOUGH.

WELL, IT'S 200 PARKING SPOTS.

WHAT FOR STUDENT? YEAH, I'D JUST SAY I, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT, UM, STORM SHELTER'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ON JOHNSON BOULEVARD.

IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE A METAL QUO HUT, UH, AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET? LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MIGHT SEE IT IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

UM, I MEAN, IF IT'S PAINTED AND LANDSCAPED, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S NOT TOO BAD.

THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATE LOCATION.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T REALLY DO IT ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH THE SHARED ACCESS.

THE EAST SIDE'S GOT ITS OWN PROBLEMS WITH VISIBILITY FROM WATERVIEW, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU GOT UTIL EASEMENTS, YOU GOT THE POND DOWN THERE, SO THAT'S KIND OF AN ATTRACTIVE AREA OVER THERE.

UM, I WAS KIND OF THINKING MAYBE IF YOU'RE NOT REALLY USING THE EAST SIDE, MAYBE INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT OUT TOWARDS WATERVIEW, MAYBE YOU BRING IT IN CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, UM, OR SOMETHING.

BUT I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCATION ON JOHNSON, WHAT VISUAL IMPACT THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, UM, IN THE RECOMMENDATION THOUGH, THAT ADDRESSES THAT, UH, OTHER THAN I GUESS THE CONCEPT PLAN.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

YES, WE INCLUDED THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO BE PLACED IN THAT BUFFER.

AND THEN MY OTHER CONCERN WAS JUST SIMPLY ABOUT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SECURITY FENCING, PROTECT THE STUDENTS.

UM, I WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING IT, YOU KNOW, HOW CLOSE IT COMES TO WATERVIEW PARKWAY.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SORT OF SETBACK.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE 10 FEET OR WHATEVER THAT'S SHOWN THERE IS REALLY ENOUGH, UH, TO KEEP THAT OPEN AREA, OPEN SPACE, UM, ATTRACTIVE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PULL IT BACK CLOSER TOWARDS THE, UH, PARKING, PAVED PARKING AREA.

AND MAYBE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A FEW EXTRA FEET.

BUT, UH, THOSE ARE KINDA MY THOUGHTS.

YOU KNOW, JUST THE PLACEMENT OF THE QUONSET HUT AND THE FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE? UH, CHAIRMAN, I, I SHARE YOUR CONCERN PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE, THE, UH, MAYBE MILITARY STYLE LOOKING QUO HUTS OR WHATEVER THEY LOOK LIKE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY KIND OF COVERED THAT, SO YEAH.

OTHER PART OF IT IS, I THINK IF IT IS AN EYESORE, THE SCHOOL'S THE ONE THAT'S GONNA SUFFER THE MOST.

THE HUTS NOT, OBVIOUSLY THE HUTS NOT THERE DOING, IT'S A, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THEY'RE, THE JOHNSON'S NOT WATERVIEW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOSTLY GONNA SEE THAT, AND I, I GO DOWN THAT ROAD, UH, WE GO TO MASS JUST NORTH OF THERE.

UM, THAT I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, LIKE, SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA SEE JUST HOW THAT CURVE IS BUILT AND EVERYTHING.

BUT THE

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SO I THINK THEIR INCENTIVE IS VERY HIGH IF THAT'S THEIR ENTRY POINT, TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DROPPING YOUR KIDS OFF AT, YOU KNOW, A MILITARY FACILITY.

HMM.

I THINK THAT'S, I, I THINK THAT'S THE MOTIVATION THERE.

AND THAT'S THE LANDSCAPING.

DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA COME BACK AND ADDRESS ANY OF THAT, THAT COMMENT? YES.

THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME BACK.

UH, THE, UH, STORAGE, UH, I'M SORRY.

THE STORM SHELTER WILL BE LOCATED, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, ALONG, UH, THE GREEN AREA THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF MATURE TREES, SO IT WOULD BE SCREENED BY THOSE MATURE TREES.

AND THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE THAT THE CITY HAS REQUESTED WE ADD AS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER WOULD LAYER THAT LANDSCAPING.

SO THERE WOULD BE ROBUST LANDSCAPING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO SEE THE STORM SHELTER FROM JOHNSON BOULEVARD.

I THINK THE COMMISSIONER IS CORRECT THAT IF ANYONE'S GONNA SEE THE STORM SHELTER, IT'S GONNA BE VIEWED FROM IN INTERNALLY TO THE SCHOOL.

UM, SO I DO THINK IT'LL BE NESTLED IN AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL WILL DO ITS BEST, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME ROBUST LANDSCAPING.

BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE VERY MATURE TREES.

UM, AND IT'S EVEN, I THINK THERE'S EVEN A BERM THERE FROM JOHNSON BOULEVARD THAT KIND OF GOES UP.

SO WE, IT WOULD BE NESTLED UNDERNEATH IN THE PARKING LOT AND KINDA LAY LOWER.

UM, AND I WISH I HAD, UH, AN IMAGE OF THAT, BUT THAT'S, I, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULD BE NESTLED IN THERE AND PROTECTED BY THE LANDSCAPED BERM ALONG JOHNSON BOULEVARD AND AUGMENTED BY THE, THE LAYERED LANDSCAPING THAT THEY PROPOSED TO PROVIDE.

UM, AND AGAIN, UH, WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST DO IT ON THE EAST SIDE AND ACTUALLY SCREEN IT FROM PUBLIC VIEW, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING? UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS USING THE WEST SIDE AS ITS MAIN ENTRANCE.

UM, AND, AND THAT'S, I, THAT WAS THEIR DESIGN, BUT I'M, I'M THINKING THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AN EXIT ON THE EAST SIDE.

IS THAT THE, I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE USING THE EXIT ON THE EAST SIDE.

THERE WILL BE ONE AVAILABLE, BUT I BELIEVE THE SCHOOL STUDENTS WILL ENTER AND EXIT ALONG THE JOHNSON MM-HMM .

UH, ENTRY WISE.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

DOES THE ARCHITECT WANNA COMMENT ON THAT? I'M JUST THINKING, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE A, LIKE AN EMERGENCY EXIT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING? WELL, CERTAINLY IF, UH, UM, LIKE, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING INTO THE TROUBLE TO FENCE IN THAT WHOLE AREA OVER THERE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? SO, UH, CORRECT.

BUT LIKE THE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY PLANNED TO JUST NOT BE UTILIZED AT THIS TIME.

UH, IT IS CERTAINLY AVAILABLE IF THERE'S EVER LIKE AN EMERGENCY EVENT WHERE THEY NEED TO EXIT THE BUILDING.

IT'S PART OF THE, IT'S PART OF THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN, UH, TO USE THAT.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE MOSTLY, THEIR INTENT IS JUST TO USE, I GUESS THE BOTTOM TWO THIRDS OF THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A, LIKE A HATCHED AREA AT THE TOP THAT'S CURRENTLY NOTED AS UNOCCUPIED SPACE AT THIS TIME.

SO IF ENROLLMENT DOES INCREASE, THEN THEY WILL, UH, BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THAT SPACE RIGHT THERE.

UH, AND, UH, AND THEN AT THAT TIME THEN, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE, YOU KNOW, FRONT ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE READDRESSED.

WELL, MY, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST OPTION.

I'M JUST, YOU'VE HEARD MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOCATION ON JOHNSON AND WHAT IT'S GONNA DO TO, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS, I, I I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS FROM THE SCHOOL SIDE.

RIGHT, UNDERSTOOD.

UH, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND GOING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET, UM, VERSUS POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF THIS IS ONLY USED IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY AND THE E AND AN EXIT EXISTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S ONLY USED IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, AND THAT TO WHOLE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE IS PLANNED TO BE FENCED IN AND PROTECTED.

UM, AND THERE WAS A WAY TO ESSENTIALLY SCREEN IT, MOVE IT UP CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, SO YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE LESS OF A DISTANCE TO TRAVEL AND YOU COULD SCREEN IT FROM PUBLIC VIEW, THAT WOULD KIND OF SOLVE MY CONCERNS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.

YOU GUYS HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

WELL, RESPECTFULLY, UH, IF, YOU KNOW, OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT SINCE WATERVIEW IS KIND OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE AND HAVING IT KIND OF NEAR JOHNSON BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A, A LESSER, UH, TRAVELED STREET, THEN, UH, ONE OF OUR THOUGHTS WAS, IS JUST TO KEEP IT OFF OF

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THE, THE EAST SIDE.

SO IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, A VISUAL ISSUE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS RECOMMENDING HAVING, HAVING IT SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW OF WATER VIEW.

YES, SIR.

AND, AND ALONG WITH LANDSCAPING OR WHATEVER YOU WOULD DO, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE STREET, MORE OR LESS.

UNDERSTOOD.

YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT AT YOUR FRONT DOOR.

I MEAN, IT REALLY IS KIND OF BLOCKING THE VIEW OF THE SCHOOL, THE FRONT DOOR TO THE SCHOOL.

I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT STREET IS, IS HEAVILY WOODED, BUT I THINK ALSO, I THINK, NO, NOBODY HAS MENTIONED THIS.

AS YOU GO OUT, THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF A RISE THERE.

LIKE IF YOU ARE ON THE STREET AND YOU HAVE A CAR PARKED, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE THE WHOLE CAR, LIKE FROM THE, FROM THE HOOD DOWN IS, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A NATURAL RISE THERE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO I, I THINK THAT ALSO WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD CAMOUFLAGE IT TOO.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST GONNA LEVERAGE OFF OF THAT AND, AND ADD SOME MORE LANDSCAPING.

AND I THINK IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

THE COMMISSIONER'S CORRECT THE THERE, UH, AND AS, UM, WAS STATED A MINUTE AGO, THERE IS A BERM THERE.

I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT HEIGHT, BUT IT IS LIKE TWO, TWO FEET.

I THINK THREE FEET MIGHT BE TOO HIGH, BUT SAY TWO FEET OFF OF STREET LEVEL.

AND THEN ONCE WE PLANT LANDSCAPING ON TOP OF THAT, EVEN BEFORE MATURITY, IT WOULD STILL PROTECT OR, OR SCREEN, YOU KNOW, A, A GOOD PORTION.

WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE STORM SHELTER? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT HEIGHT, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL.

BUT, UH, VISUALLY, IF YOU CAN SEE, THE DOOR IS RIGHT HERE.

TYPICALLY, THESE DOORS ARE ABOUT SEVEN FEET TALL, SO I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE ABOUT EIGHT FEET TALL MAXIMUM.

SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, LIKE IT'S STILL POTENTIALLY VISIBLE FROM THE JOHNSON.

BUT, UH, IT COULD BE, I MEAN, THERE, UH, THERE, YES, SIR.

THERE, I MEAN, SO THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL MATURE TREES HERE AS, AS WAS STATED.

SO IT'S GONNA COVER THE TOP PART, UH, AND THEN IF WE HAVE A BERM HERE, SO REALLY WE JUST HAVE KIND OF A CENTER PORTION THAT, THAT YOU MIGHT SEE.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

OH, UM, OH YEAH, WELL, LOOK, I'M, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, OF THE USE AND, UH, THE SPECIAL PERMIT.

UM, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.

I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE ENROLLMENT.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY OUR PLACE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER? I THINK THAT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE CITY AND FIRE MARSHAL AND, YOU KNOW, LICENSING, STATE LICENSING OR WHOEVER.

UM, CERTAINLY GOT AMPLE PARKING THERE.

UM, I, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD EVER GO TO TRY TO DO, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR 500 PEOPLE, BUT I MEAN, UH, I GUESS THAT COULD ONLY BE THE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES.

BUT, UM, FOR ME IT'S REALLY ABOUT THAT, THAT LOCATION OF THAT QUO HUT.

SO, I MEAN, I, I'D BE WILLING TO APPROVE IT, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT, AND MAYBE BY, WHEN YOU GO BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT LOCATION AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS.

SO IF, IF, IF IT WAS NOT LOCATED ON RIGHT OFF OF JOHNSON BOULEVARD, BUT PERHAPS LOCATED MORE IN BOARD OF THE SITE, IS THAT, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE THAT ATTRACTIVE.

UM, EVEN IF IT'S PAINTED BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE AND CONFIGURATION OF IT AND THE WAY IT, SO MY, AGAIN, MY THOUGHT, BUT WAS THAT IT, I WOULD TRY MAYBE LOOK AT TUCKING IT, UH, UP AGAINST THE SIDE OF THE, UH, THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, TAKING OUT A ROW OF PARKING, UH, CLOSEST TO THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE, MAYBE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.

LIKE, LIKE RIGHT IN THERE.

POTENTIALLY AS A THOUGHT.

AND, AND HAVE, HAVE THAT SCREENED SO THAT IT WOULD MORE OR LESS LIKE HAVE A MASONRY WALL ON THE EAST SIDE OF IT TO KIND OF BLOCK ITS VIEW FROM, UH, WATERVIEW ONE IDEA.

OR, OR RIGHT ALONG THE LAKE OR WHATEVER, OR THE, THAT CULVERT.

JUST IN TERMS OF OUR CONVERSATION, I, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

UM, YEAH.

AND I, I'M, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, REALLY AN ISSUE FOR ME AT ALL.

I THINK THAT'S A SMART USE OF THE SPACE.

I THINK ANYTHING YOU MOVE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, YOU'RE KIND OF CUTTING YOURSELF OFF FOR USING THAT FOR SOME FUTURE USE.

I THINK STOWING AWAY IN THE BACK OR FARTHER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING IS, IS A GOOD IDEA.

AND IF YOU DO THAT ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST WATERVIEW, UM,

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UM, I THINK JUST IN FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH A MOTION, UH, TO ACCEPT THIS AS, OR TO REQUEST, RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL AS WRITTEN IN THE, THE, THE, WELL, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, AS WRITTEN IN THE PACKET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE, THE LIMITATION.

THE LIMITATION THAT'S WRITTEN, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT.

SO I THINK THAT IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? SO TO INCLUDE THAT WAS A CONDITION.

F WE DON'T MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I, WE WERE JUST UPON FROM FURTHER REVIEW TYPICALLY, OR NOT TYPICALLY, BUT RECENTLY THE COMMISSION HAS INCLUDED SOME LIMITATION.

WE, WE HAVEN'T, SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT.

AND I, AND I HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THAT WE NEED IT IN THIS CASE.

I'M NOT SURE WHY WE EVER INCLUDED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS FEEL DIFFERENTLY.

MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK IT'S BEEN THAT THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS BEEN USED FOR A SCHOOL OF SOME SORT ITT COMING FORWARD TO NURSING AND NOW TO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S USE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT BODES WELL FOR CONTINUED USE AS A SCHOOL.

THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT.

AND I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER MARSH REGARDING, UH, POTENTIAL RELOCATION OF THE STORM SHELTERS.

JUST CONSIDER IT, I MEAN, WE CAN'T DICTATE IT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

SO MOVE, UH, FOR RECRE, OH, I'M SORRY, MR. BOT.

I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT.

I, I MEAN, I TEND TO THINK THAT THE STORM SHELTERS OVER THERE ARE FINE AS WELL.

I, I THINK THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LANDSCAPING, SO THAT YOU REALLY COULDN'T SEE IT.

BUT YEAH, MOVING IT OVER HERE I THINK WOULD JUST, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT THAT WOULD LIMIT SOME OF THAT USE OVER THERE.

AND I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO, UM, LIMIT THE, UH, ENROLLMENT.

ENROLLMENT.

UH, YEAH, NO, I'VE BUILT A COUPLE OF STORM SHELTERS, PORTABLE MODULAR STORM SHELTERS AND MY CAREER, AND I, YOU KNOW, THEY GENERALLY, WE PUT 'EM IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT KINDA HAS THE LEAST VISUAL IMPACT.

UH, SO TO ME, IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE THAT IT'S AT YOUR FRONT DOOR ON THE PUBLIC FACING SIDE OF YOUR SCHOOL, UH, THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST THING YOU COME ACROSS.

BUT IF, I GUESS IF IT'S, IF YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S DEPRESSED ENOUGH AND YOU CAN SCREEN IT ENOUGH, MAYBE IT WORKS.

BUT, UH, TO ME, THE, THE EAST SIDE FEELS LIKE THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BE, I'M BEING TOLD, AND THAT THAT'S KIND OF OVERFLOW, SO WHY NOT PUT IT THERE? IT'S, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE USED IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, RIGHT.

SO, UM, IN, IN MY VIEW, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D MAKE YOUR, AT YOUR FRONT DOOR OFF JOHNSON AS ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT IT'D BE VISUALLY APPEALING FROM THAT SIDE.

AND TO ME IT JUST, IT'S AN IMPEDIMENT, UH, TO ALL THAT.

AND POTENTIAL BLIGHT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE STREET.

UM, SO IF IT COULD BE PUT IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND NOT IMPACT WATERVIEW, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WAY I'D, I'D GO.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT I, I, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT.

UM, FOR THIS, I THINK, UH, IF I'VE HEARD THE COMMISSION CORRECTLY, UH, THE MOTION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZONING FILE 24 DASH 30, UM, AS PRESENTED WITH, UH, ITEMS, UH, ONE A THROUGH EF WAS THE, UH, THE STUDENT OF THE ENROLLMENT MAXIMUM.

SO I'VE ELIMINATED THAT.

YEAH, IT WAS A MOTION.

THAT WAS MY MOTION.

I'LL SECOND.

TAKES US TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, ZONING FILE, 24 DASH 21 PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR LINUX INNOVATION R AND D CENTER.

WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THAT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

SO THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU, SIR.

[4. Zoning File 24-21 PD Planned Development- Lennox Innovation R&D Center: Consider and act on a request to rezone approximately 7.52-acres from O-M Office with special conditions to PD Planned Development for the O-M Office District with amended development standards to accommodate the development of a 45,000-square foot research and development building at 2140 Lake Park Boulevard, on the north side of Lake Park Boulevard, east of Lake Park Way. Owner: Lennox International Inc. Staff: Derica Peters]

MS. PETERS.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 21.

SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT OCCURRED ON OCTOBER 3RD, 2024.

SO, UM, I WILL, UH, GIVE THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES AND THE PLANS.

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SO THE SUBJECT SIDE IS ZONED OM OFFICE WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS.

THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, UH, HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH PATIO HOMES TO THE WEST ARE TOWN HOMES TO THE NORTH AS THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

AND TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS AN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE FOUR COMPONENTS TO THIS REQUEST.

THAT INCLUDES A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE USE, WHICH IS A RESEARCH AND LAB FACILITY, A REQUEST PERTAINING TO THE HEIGHT, TO A REDUCTION IN PARKING, AND TO, UH, A, UH, A DIFFERENCE IN THE RESIDENTIAL SCREENING REQUIREMENT.

SO THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

TODAY.

ON THE LEFT YOU SEE THE SUBJECT AREA, WHICH IS JUST A PARKING LOT TODAY.

AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE EXISTING EIGHT STORY OFFICE BUILDING.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN.

SO THIS AREA WAS MASTER PLANNED IN 1996.

UM, SINCE THAT TIME, THE, THE PLANS HAVE MODIFIED SOME OVER THE YEARS.

UM, AND THIS IMAGE SHOWS HOW THE DIFFERENT AREAS HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS.

AND, UH, ORANGE YOU SEE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR HOME DEPOT.

AND THEN IN PURPLE, BLUE AND YELLOW ARE THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS.

THIS IS THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S FOUND WITHIN THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF THE ORDINANCE GOVERNING THIS PROPERTY IN THE SUBJECT AREA AS SHOWN IN RED, WHICH SHOWS THE PARKING LOT.

SO THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWN HERE ON OCTOBER 3RD.

THEY'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THAT.

UH, AFTER THAT MEETING, THEY WERE A ABLE TO ENGAGE IN SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORTS.

SO THEY'VE MADE A FEW CHANGES AND I WILL GO OVER THOSE.

SO THIS IS, UH, THE CONCEPT PLAN.

SO THE SITE AREA IS 7.5 ACRES, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING STILL A 45,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

10,000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT BUILDING WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR OFFICE.

THE REMAINDER OF THAT BUILDING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED LIKE A WAREHOUSE.

UM, THE BUILDING WILL BE ONE STORY AND 36 FEET TALL, SO THE APPLICANT WILL, UM, SO, AND TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, UH, THE BUILDING THAT SHOWN IN ORANGE HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO THE EAST ABOUT EIGHT FEET TO ACCOMMODATE THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER SHOWN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THE LOADING DOCKS HAVE BEEN RECONFIGURED AND SOME OF THE PARKING HAS BEEN RECONFIGURED TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

SO THE APPLICANT IS STILL REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION TO THE ALLOWED BUILDING HEIGHT.

BUILDING HEIGHT SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONE STORY ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND NOT TO EXCEED, UH, TO EXCEED 25 FEET IF IT IS WITHIN 150 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO HERE THEY'RE REQUESTING A 36 FOOT, SINGLE STORY STRUCTURE.

THEY'RE ALSO, UH, REQUESTING TO ALLOW THE USE IN THIS AREA.

SO THE ZONING THAT GOVERNS THIS PROPERTY LISTED THE ALLOWED USES.

UH, AND IT DID NOT USE THE RESEARCH LAB AND FACILITY USE.

HOWEVER, OUR BASE ZONING DISTRICT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR OFFICE DOES LIST THAT, UH, WE BELIEVE IT WAS NOT LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE PREDATED THE ZONING CODE, WHICH DID INCORPORATE, UH, REACHER RESEARCH AND LAB FACILITIES IN THE NINETIES.

SO, AS I MENTIONED, THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

THEY ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ISLANDS TO THE PARKING ROW TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING CANOPY TREES.

IN ADDITION, THEY'VE ADDED PARKING TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE, AND ALONG THAT PARKING ROW, THEY'VE ADDED LANDSCAPE ISLANDS TO PROVIDE SOME VISUAL SCREENING FOR THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.

UH, SOME OF THE PARKING WAS ADJUSTED, SOME, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A REDUCTION TO THE, UH, PARKING MINIMUM.

WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A PARKING STANDARD FOR RESEARCH AND LABORATORY FACILITY.

SO INSTEAD WE, WE RELY ON THE PARKING STANDARD FOR WAREHOUSING.

THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A WAREHOUSE FACILITY OF THIS SIZE, IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ON SITE, WOULD REQUIRE 830 PARKING SPACES.

HOWEVER, 601 PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED ON SITE.

UH, THE APPLICANT SAYS THIS SHOULD BE ADEQUATE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE IN THIS NEW O IN THE NEW BUILDING.

AND BASED ON THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY RATES, UH, WITHIN THE GARAGE, UH, WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, MADE OBSERVATIONS THAT WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE, IT'S GENERALLY NOT OCCUPIED AT, UH, MAXIMUM LEVELS.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION TO RESIDENTIAL SCREENING FOR THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, IN LIEU OF A MASON

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RESCREENING WALL, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIX FOOT TALL RAW IRON FENCE.

UH, AND THAT'S OFFSITE.

THERE'S, IN ADDITION TO THAT, A SHRUB ROW.

SO THOSE ARE OFFSITE ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY.

THOSE WERE INSTALLED WHEN THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST WAS DEVELOPED.

THERE IS AN EXISTING MASON RY SCREENING WALL, UH, ON THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH.

SO THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONS THAT'S A WOOD SCREENING WALL.

IT'S, IT ACTUALLY IS A PRECAST CONCRETE SCREENING WALL THAT IS MADE TO LOOK WOOD.

SO THEY DO NOT NEED AN EXCEPTION TO THAT ELEMENT.

UM, THE TRAFFIC, UH, CIRCULATION PLANS HAVE NOT CHANGED.

THE BOULEVARD RUNNING DOWN THE CENTER OF THE SITE HAS NARROWED SOME FROM 48 FEET ACROSS TO 24 FEET ACROSS.

SO TO ACCOMMODATE THE BUILDING SHIFTING OVER TO THE EAST.

UH, BUT THE APPLICANTS BELIEVE THE BOULEVARD STILL, UH, BE ENOUGH FOR, UH, PROVIDE SUFFICIENT, UH, CIRCULATION FOR TRAFFIC AND FOR EMPLOYEES.

UH, TRAFFIC IMPACTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE MINIMAL.

THEY EXPECT TO HAVE 62 EMPLOYEES AT THIS LOCATION, UH, WORKING IN THIS BUILDING.

AND THEIR PRIMARY, UH, DAILY SHIFTS ON AVERAGE WILL BE FROM 9:00 AM TO 3:00 PM FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE EMPLOYEES.

AND THEY EXPECT TO DELIVERIES ON A FLATBED TRAILER ONE TO TWO TIMES A WEEK.

HERE IS THE RENDERING OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON AT THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING.

THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME MORE DETAIL RENDERING SOME OTHER SIDES OF THE BUILDING TO SHOW THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THEY'LL BE PROVIDED.

SO THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION, LOOKING AT THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST, WHERE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL, UM, LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.

UM, IN ADDITION, YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THE LINE OF TREES.

THOSE ARE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS IN THE PARKING LOT THAT THEY, UH, WILL BE PRESERVING TO PROVIDE SCREENING FOR THE NEW BUILDING.

HERE'S A VIEW OF THE LOADING DOCK IN THE REAR.

SO THEY DID REORIENT THE LOADING DOCK.

SO NOW THEY HAVE, UH, THE LOADING DOCK FACING MORE TOWARDS THE EAST, ONE OF THE LOADING AREAS.

UH, WELL, TWO OF THE LOADING AREAS WILL BE ENCLOSED.

SO THOSE LOADING AND OFFLOADING ACTIVITIES WILL BE WITHIN THE BUILDING.

THERE WILL BE ONE LOADING DOCK RAMP ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE.

THE RAMP ITSELF WILL BE SCREENED BY A MASONRY WALL, AND THE LOADING AREA IS EXPOSED, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

UM, YOU ALSO SEE FROM THIS ANGLE, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.

AND THIS IS THE EASTERN, UH, THIS IS THE WESTERN ELEVATION, AND THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THERE WILL BE ENCLOSED LOADING AREAS FOR THE RECYCLING MATERIALS.

SO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THE, UH, UPDATED ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE INNOVATION INDUSTRY, WHICH IS TO INCLUDE BUSINESSES AND OFFICE USES, WAREHOUSING, LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL, AND MANUFACTURING USES WITH A FOCUS THAT SUPPORTS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES.

UH, SO IN SUMMARY, AS FAR AS THE, UH, APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THE USE, AS WE MENTIONED FOR RESEARCH AND LABORATORY FACILITIES, IS REQUESTED TO BE AN ALLOWED USE.

THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW 36 FEET TALL.

UH, THERE'S A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE SIX FOOT TALL WROUGHT IRON FENCE ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE TO REMAIN.

THERE'S A PARKING REDUCTION AND THEN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED.

SO THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE TIME OF THE ORIGINAL PUBLIC HEARING.

ON OCTOBER 3RD, WE HAD RECEIVED TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE, A POST TO THE REQUEST.

WE HAD SEVEN PEOPLE SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AT THAT MEETING.

UH, MORE RECENTLY, WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE LETTERS IN OPPOSITION.

TWO OF THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKET THAT INCLUDES SOME PHOTOS.

UM, AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL ONE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT IS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.

UM, IN ADDITION, THERE'S TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT.

ONE OF THOSE IS IN FRONT OF YOU, AND THAT'S FROM THE LOCAL HOA PRESIDENT.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE, UM, ON THE LOADING.

UH, DID, UM, HAS THAT BEEN THOSE INTERIOR LOADING DOCKS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER ON THE WEST SIDE? UH, WAS THERE BEEN ANY TRUCK TURNING RADIUSS, UH, STUDIES PERFORMED TO SEE IF THE CITY HAS NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR ARCHITECT HAS OKAY.

TO EVALUATE THAT.

AND IS THE, UH, THE EXTERIOR LOADING DOCK, IS THAT JUST A, A RAMP UP TO A, A DOCK OR IS THAT A UM,

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I COULDN'T REALLY TELL WHAT THAT WAS.

THE RAMP'S LOCATED BEHIND THE SCREENING WALL.

SO THEN THIS IS ELEVATED JUST TO THAT LOADING DOCK, WHICH IS EXTERIOR.

SO WOULD THE IDEA BE THAT THESE FLATBED TRAILERS WOULD PULL UP TO THAT EXTERIOR DOCK AND UM, DO YOU KNOW THAT OR WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT? YEAH, MAYBE CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT IF IT'S EXTERNAL.

UM, AND THEN THIS WALL THAT'S KIND OF SHOWN IN THE FOREGROUND, UM, ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT'S THAT NORTH WALL THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE CONCRETE, UM, PRECAST THAT'S MADE TO LOOK LIKE WOOD? MM-HMM .

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT SITS ON TOP OF A, A RETAINING WALL OF VARIABLE HEIGHT.

AND, UM, DID IT, DID THE, DID THE PARKING NUMBER GO DOWN, UH, SLIGHTLY FROM WHERE IT WAS LAST TIME? IT DID.

I THINK IT WENT DOWN BY ABOUT 30 PARKING SPOTS THAT WERE LOST BY ADDING THOSE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE VIOLENCE AND SHIFTING THE BUILDING OVER.

SO THAT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHERE THE RIGHT SOME OF THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.

WELL, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE BUILDING CAME RIGHT UP TO THE DRIVEWAY, SO PROBABLY WASN'T WHERE IT WAS IN ADDITION TO.

SO THERE'S ALSO PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE HERE CURRENTLY NORTH OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED IS TO REMOVE THOSE AND READJUST THE FIRE LANE IN ALAN LANDSCAPING HERE INSTEAD.

AND THEY'LL BE PRESERVING THIS EXISTING LINE OF TREES.

THEY MAY ALSO ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THESE AREAS.

AND THEY'VE MENTIONED THEY MAY ADD THAT, UH, TO THEIR PLANS, MORE DETAIL CHAIRMAN.

SO THAT IS WHERE THOSE PARKING SPACES HAVE BEEN LOST.

MR. ROBERT, I RECALL WHEN THE APPLICANT, UH, WAS HERE PREVIOUSLY, THEY MENTIONED THAT THE GARAGE OCCUPANCY IS, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PERCENTAGE WAS.

65% ACCORDING BY THAT.

YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS CLOSE TO, YEAH.

UM, OKAY.

AND THE LAKE PARK ESTATES, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

WHERE, WHERE'S LAKE PARK AND STATES, LET'S SEE, THAT'S THIS.

SO ACROSS THE STREET? MM-HMM .

THAT'S ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, I DO.

UM, MS. PETERS, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, OFFICE, THE, UH, THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE FOR, UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS, WHICH THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT UP AN OFFICE BUILDING BY RIGHT? IF IT WERE JUST AN OFFICE? CORRECT.

SO THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN DOES NOT SHOW A BUILDING THERE.

SO SINCE THERE IS SUCH A DETAILED CONCEPT PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD, BUILD THE BUILDING THERE.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WE'RE DOING IN THIS PROCESS BY, BY AMENDING THE PD.

BUT, SO AS OF RIGHT, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO.

BUT THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS MODIFIED SINCE THE BUILDING THE OTHER BUILDINGS WERE BUILT.

I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT I WAS AMENDED TO INCLUDE RESEARCH AND LAB, OR DID I YES.

SO THE CODE WAS AMENDED TO ALLOW THE USE OF RESEARCH IN LAB, BUT A BUILDING IN THIS EXACT LOCATION WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED AS OF NOW OF ANY TYPE OF USE.

BECAUSE OF THE DETAILED CONSEQUENCE MM-HMM .

I RECALL WHEN APPLICANT WAS HERE BEFORE, THEY TALKED ABOUT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS IT WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT THEY WERE DOING, UM, HVAC EQUIPMENT TESTING.

BUT IN ANOTHER, OKAY, I GOT IT.

BUT IN OFFICE, IN MOST OTHER OFFICE ZONING DISTRICTS, A RESEARCH LAB FACILITY COULD GO UP WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ZONING IN MOST OTHER LOCATIONS.

'CAUSE MOST OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, UNLESS THEY'RE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE SUCH A DETAILED CONCEPT PLAN.

SO DOES STAFF, UH, IS THERE, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A DEFINITION OF WHAT RESEARCH AND LAB ARE IN THE, THE, UH, ORDINANCE? YES.

WE'LL, WE'LL PULL THAT UP.

WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS THAT, UH, AS

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AND, UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT'S DEFINED AS RESEARCH AND LAB.

SO THE DEFINITION FROM THIS COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE IS A BUSINESS ENGAGED IN RESEARCH AND NEW PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT IN THE FIELD OF MEDICINE, OR HIGH TECHNOLOGY AND INTENSIVE FIELDS, INCLUDING THE ONSITE MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY OF HIGH TECHNOLOGY PROTOTYPES, PROVIDED ALL ACTIVITIES AND STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL.

ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO WE ASK THE APPLICANT, PLEASE COME FORWARD WHAT'S NEXT? AND AGREE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS EVENING.

UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY 'CAUSE I, I ASSUME MR. HIRT, MR. HURST, RIGHT? OH, I'M SORRY.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY, UH, FROM THE ZONING, UH, FILE ON MARCH 31ST, 2005.

JOHN HURST.

UH, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND SUSTAINABILITY AT LENNOX INTERNATIONAL, AND I'VE BROUGHT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, IF I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, HOPEFULLY ONE OF THEM CAN.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. THAT'S CHAIRMAN.

THAT'S OKAY.

UH, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES IN YOUR PACKET.

WE CAN REFER TO THOSE.

UM, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE, UH, THE REQUEST, UH, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, SO I'LL SKIP THROUGH THIS.

YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE ZONING REQUEST, WHICH, UM, MS. PETERS ADEQUATELY COVERED.

UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, COATE AND CAMPBELL PROPERTY LOOKED LIKE.

UH, A WHILE BACK.

IT WAS, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED OM OFFICE, UH, WITH AN ALLOWANCE FOR 400,000 SQUARE FEET OFFICE BUILDINGS.

UH, IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO OUR CURRENT EIGHT STORY BUILDING, THAT'S ABOUT 210,000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, WE MOVED OUR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS FROM IOWA BACK IN 1978, AND WE LEASED PROPERTY ON, UH, CO AND BELTLINE.

AND IN 1983, WE BUILT THE THREE STORY PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UH, RIGHT HERE IN, UH, 1988.

WE MOVED OUR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS INTO THAT FACILITY.

UH, IN 1999, WE EXPANDED OUR HEADQUARTERS CAMPUS TO THE EIGHT STORY BUILDING.

AND YOU MIGHT ASK, WELL, WHY NOW? UH, WE DIDN'T OWN THE PROPERTY UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AGO, 2023.

IT WAS ON A SYNTHETIC LEASE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

UH, WE FINALLY PURCHASED THE CORPORATE CAMPUS ABOUT 12 MONTHS AGO.

SO IF YOU GO BACK IN TIME, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BACK IN 1995.

UH, THE BUILDING, UH, THE YELLOW, UH, LINE IS, IS ROUGHLY SPEAKING OUR PROP, UH, OUR PROPERTY LINES.

UH, COY ROAD IS TO THE LEFT, CAMPBELL'S TO THE SOUTH, AND WATERVIEW TO THE, TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE OUR THREE STORY BUILDING AND A PARKING DECK, UH, THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME, UH, AROUND US WAS A LOT OF FARMLAND, UH, TO OUR EAST, UH, WAS, UH, KIND OF A WAREHOUSE BUILDING IN A PARKING LOT THAT WAS DEMOLISHED AT SOME POINT PRIOR TO 2007.

WHEN I STARTED WITH LENNOX, IT WAS, UH, IT BEAR PARKING LOT AT THE TIME WHEN I GOT HERE.

UH, BY 2005, WE HAVE FINISHED OUT OUR CORPORATE CAMPUS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, WE HAVE THE THREE STORY BUILDING, THE EIGHT STORY BUILDING.

AND TO THE, UH, WEST OF US IS THE HOME DEPOT AND IT'S PARKING LOT IN A COUPLE OF, UH, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.

UH, THIS HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AS, UH, LIGHT RETAIL WITH THE, UH, TOM THUMB HERE, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH.

UH, THERE'S A, UH, TWO RESTAURANTS HERE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND SOME OFFICE BUILDINGS TO OUR SOUTH AND TO OUR EAST.

UH, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACK THEN.

UM, BUT IF YOU FAST FORWARD, UH, A COUPLE OF CHANGES HAPPENED TO OUR, OUR, UM, OUR AREA.

UH, IN 1983, THE COVENANTS FOR COY AND CAMPBELL PROPERTY WERE RECORDED WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

AS I MENTIONED, IN 88, WE DEVELOPED OUR FIRST PROPERTY.

WE ADDED TO THAT, UH, IN, IN 1999.

AND, AND MS. PETERS ALREADY COVERED THE, UH, THE CHANGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES THAT HAPPENED AROUND 1996.

IN 2005, THE FIRST AMENDMENT, UH, ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES AS A USE.

UH, THERE WAS A SECOND AMENDMENT IN 2011 THAT ALLOWED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS A USE IN BETWEEN 2012 AND 2023.

THE THIRD, THE FOURTH, THE FIFTH, THE SIXTH, THE SEVENTH, AND THE EIGHT AMENDMENTS ALLOWED FOR ADDITIONAL USES SUCH AS CHURCH, SCHOOLS, UH, PRESCHOOL RESTAURANT, UH, AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT ARE IN THERE TODAY.

UM, REGARDING SIX FOOT FENCES, YOU MIGHT WONDER HOW IT GOT IN THERE.

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THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST TOWN HOMES WERE DEVELOPED.

AND I'LL, UM, I'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA UNDER IMPROVED SYNERGY.

IT SAID, IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE IMPROVEMENT OF THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THE SCREENING AND OR FENCING BETWEEN LAND USES SHALL BE AS TRANSPARENT IN NATURE AS POSSIBLE.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THIS HOUSING COMPONENT OF THIS MI MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, BE AS VISUALLY OPEN AND CONNECTED TO OTHER LAND USES AS POSSIBLE.

SO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPOSED TOWN HOMES CAN EASILY SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND ACTIVITIES MENTIONED ABOVE.

NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS RIGHT OR WRONG, UH, IT'S JUST HOW IT HAPPENED.

UH, SO FAST FORWARD TO TODAY.

UH, OUR PROPERTY IS, IS, UH, BORDERED TO THE EAST, THE WEST, AND TO THE NORTH BY RESIDENTIAL, UH, TO THE SOUTH, WE'RE BORDERED BY THOSE, UH, RESTAURANTS AND, AND OFFICE USES.

AND, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE TO THE WEST OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES ARE, UM, LIGHT, LIGHT RETAIL.

UH, WE DID, UH, WE DID PRESENT AT THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING.

UH, WE, UH, HEARD CONCERNS AROUND TRAFFIC, NOISE, EMISSIONS, AND VISUAL SCREENING.

UH, SINCE THEN, UH, WE ASKED, UH, YOU TO DEFER UNTIL TONIGHT.

AND WE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETINGS, UH, BOTH IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE SPOKE TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UM, INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL.

UH, BUT THE, THE PRIMARY MEETINGS WERE WITH PARKSIDE TOWNS TO OUR WEST, UH, THE UNIVERSITY WORLD, HOA, UH, WHICH IS ALL AROUND US, UH, SAVOY TRACE, SAVOY LANDING AND UNIVERSITY PLACE.

INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH A LONG SLIDE WITH A LOT OF WORDS, I, I THINK A PICTURE'S WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

I'LL SKIP TO THE PICTURE AND DESCRIBE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN TERMS OF VISUAL SCREENING, WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH, UH, CITY OF RICHARDSON.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, UM, SITE.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW.

UM, WE TOOK THE ADVICE OF, UH, CITY OF RICHARDSON.

WE MOVED THE BUILDING 18 FEET.

I BELIEVE IT WAS BRIEFED AS EIGHT, BUT WE MOVED IT 18 FEET TO THE EAST.

UH, THE ALLEY OR THE, UH, BOULEVARD HERE USED TO BE, UH, FOUR LANE DIVIDED WITH AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

UH, THE NEW PLAN HAS A TWO-WAY ROAD.

AND I BELIEVE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU SAID, UH, THAT THIS IS THE PRIMARY ENTRY, ACTUALLY.

UH, WE GET A LOT OF ENTRY ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKING DECK.

THERE'S AN ENTRYWAY HERE.

SO IF YOU COME IN OFF OF WATERVIEW, UH, YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY ENTER THROUGH THIS ENTRYWAY.

IF YOU ENTER OFF OF KOT, UH, YOU'LL PROBABLY ENTER ON THIS SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING EIGHT STORY TOWER.

AND SO WHAT WE DID IS, UH, WE MOVED THE BUILDING EAST 18 FEET TO ALLOW FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE WAS WE WANTED TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE IN ISLANDS IN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.

WE ALSO WANNA SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH LAYERED LANDSCAPING.

WHAT I MEAN BY LAYERED LANDSCAPING IS LOW, MEDIUM HIGH.

SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE RENDERINGS IS JUST A ROW OF TREES NONDESCRIPT.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND OUR ARBORIST, TELL US WHAT ACTUALLY GOES BEST THERE.

WHICH SCREENS THE BEST? UH, THE BASKINS ARE HERE.

THEY'RE THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE WEST OF US.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS.

WE'RE INCLUDING THEM IN THE, IN THE DISCUSSIONS.

WE ADDED LANDSCAPE ISLANDS BOTH TO THE WEST.

WE ADDED A LARGE ISLAND HERE, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR THESE TWO HOME DWELLERS, UH, TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE NORTH, UH, STREET AND TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.

THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS A UTILITY EASEMENT.

BUT WE ADDED ISLANDS TO THE NORTH, AND WE ADDED SCREENING TO THE RAMP AND ALSO TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.

UH, WE AIM TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING TREES HERE AND SUPPLEMENT THE NORTH, UH, SIDE OF OUR PARKING GARAGE WITH ADDITIONAL SCREENING.

AND WE ALSO HAVE, WE CHANGED THE, THE, THE LANE HERE TO, TO CURVE, TO ADD THIS ISLAND TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UH, TREES AND LANDSCAPING.

IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT WE WILL ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UH, TO THE SOUTH FACADE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

AND WE ALSO ADDED TREES ALONG THE, UH, EASTERN FACADE OF THE BUILDING.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID FOR, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND CHANGES, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS 36 FEET.

THAT'S A 32 FOOT ROOF WITH A FOUR FOOT PARAPET AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.

TO SCREEN A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WE'LL HAVE COMMERCIAL ROOFTOP UNITS, H-H-V-A-C UNITS.

UH, WE ALSO MOVED THE IT GENERATOR TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO KEEP THAT AS FAR AWAY FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND INTO THE WEST AS POSSIBLE.

UH, THE PARKING

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ANALYSIS IS IN HERE.

UH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS WE DID A PARKING STUDY.

UH, IT SAID WE USE ABOUT 461, UH, PER PER DAY.

UM, WE HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES IN BOTH THE EIGHT STORY BUILDING.

IN THE THREE STORY BUILDING.

WE HAVE ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE TO THE SOUTH.

IT'S ALL CONNECTED.

I CAN WALK FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH, UH, COVERED.

UH, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERFLOW PARKING IN THE SOUTHERN PARKING LOT, AND A LOT OF OUR EMPLOYEES TRAVEL, SO WE'RE NEVER REALLY MORE THAN 65% OCCUPIED.

SO EVEN IF EVERYBODY DROVE THEIR CAR, UH, TO WORK, NOBODY WAS SICK.

NOBODY WAS ON VACATION.

NOBODY WAS TRAVELING.

WE'RE WE STILL HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING ON THE CAMPUS TO COVER EVERY EMPLOYEE IF THEY ALL SHOWED UP AT THE SAME TIME.

UH, SOUND MITIGATION, UH, AS, AS MS. PETERS MENTIONED, THE TRUCK DOCK, UH, WAS MOVED INSIDE.

THE RECYCLE BIN WAS MOVED INSIDE.

UH, WE'VE SCREENED THE RAMP WITH A, A MASONRY WALL.

WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL, UH, TREES AND LANDSCAPING.

UH, I ALREADY MENTIONED THE PARAPET AND THE IT GENERATOR.

UH, SOMEBODY ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT EMISSIONS.

UH, THE EMISSIONS FROM THIS BUILDING ARE LIMITED TO THE ELECTRICITY AND THE GAS USED TO HEAT AND COOL THE BUILDING.

UH, THE PRODUCTS THAT WE'LL BE TESTING IN THE BUILDING WILL RUN JUST LIKE THE COMMERCIAL ROOFTOP UNITS ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.

UH, WE WILL HAVE REFRIGERANTS IN THIS BUILDING, MUCH LIKE THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, IN YOUR CONDENSING UNIT OR IN THE COIL, IN YOUR ATTIC.

UH, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE EMITTING THAT THESE ARE CLOSED SYSTEMS FROM THE FACTORY.

UM, BUT REFRIGERANTS WILL BE USED IN THIS FACILITY.

WATER USE WILL BE LIMITED TO DRINKING WATER, UH, RESTROOMS AND LANDSCAPING.

WE HAVE NO INDUSTRIAL PROCESSES THAT USE, UM, WATER.

AND THEN, UH, I WILL, UH, PAUSE AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND, UH, OUR NEXT STEP IS THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING IF APPROVED TONIGHT ON, I BELIEVE, JANUARY 27TH.

COMMISSIONER CONSTANTINO.

YEAH, I JUST HAD A, A BRIEF QUESTION.

HOW BIG ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU ACTUALLY TEST? YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THESE FLATBED TRUCKS OR WHATEVER'S COMING IN.

HOW, HOW BIG IS THE ACTUAL UNIT YOU'RE TESTING? SO I'M, IS IT, I DON'T KNOW IF, OBVIOUSLY MY, IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF MY AC UNIT.

IT'S PROBABLY BIGGER THAN THAT.

BIGGER, YEAH.

THEY'RE PROBABLY THE SIZE OF, UH, NOT AS BIG AS THE OLD, REMEMBER THE OLD VOLKSWAGEN BUSES? UM, YEAH.

THE SIZE OF A SMALL CAR.

UM, MAYBE MARK, DO YOU KNOW THE DIMENSIONS BY ANY CHANCE OF A REGULAR ROOFTOP UNIT? MARK UNIT? SORRY, 25 FEET IN LENGTH? 25 FEET IN LENGTH WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM LENGTH.

WHAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT? UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE, UH, 50 INCHES TALL, 50 INCHES TALL.

THAT'S THE, THE LARGEST.

AND THEN SMALLER ONES WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD A 10 TON BE? WOULD BE TYPICALLY, UH, HEIGHT TO 12 FEET.

EIGHT TO 12 FEET IN LENGTH.

AND AGAIN, 50 INCHES IN HEIGHT.

NOTHING WIDER THAN INCHES.

EXCELLENT.

YOU SEE HIM DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD ALL THE TIME? YEAH.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO NOISE THAT COMES FROM THE ACTUAL WORK OF WHAT'S BEING DONE INSIDE THE FACILITY.

IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A VISUAL OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY COMING IN YEAH.

TO THE FACILITY.

YOU KNOW, HOW BIG DOES THE TRUCK ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE RIGHT.

TO MOVE IT.

AND THAT, UH, THAT'S MOST WILL COME IN ON A 20 FOOT TRAILER.

NO, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

UM, SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF POINTS MADE IN ONE OF THE, UH, LETTERS THAT I GUESS WAS, UH, IN CON TO, UH, ARE AGAINST.

IT SEEMED TO BE TALKING NEGATIVELY ABOUT, UH, THE, THE CHA THE PLANS THAT YOU ALL HAVE THERE.

UM, ONE OF THE POINTS I MADE WERE, UH, INDUSTRIAL OPERATION AND, UM, I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED THAT.

UM, ANYTHING MORE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? THERE WILL BE NO INDUSTRIAL USE FOR THIS FACILITY.

IT'S, IT'S PURELY TO, TO TEST AND DESIGN COMMERCIAL HVAC EQUIPMENT.

WE DON'T MANUFACTURE ANYTHING IN THE FACILITY.

UM, IT, IT'S JUST NOT THE USE FOR THE BUILDING.

UM, ONE OF THE SECOND POINTS THAT WAS MADE AND HIGHLIGHTED, MADE STRONGLY WAS THE, UH, SERIOUS NOISE POLLUTION.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SURE.

UH, YOU'VE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT.

ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? UH, YES SIR.

I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S CARS, OR CARS AND CONSTRUCTION IS CONSTRUCTION.

ONCE THE FACILITY IS BUILT, UH, I THINK I HAVE A PICTURE OF, YEAH, THIS IS AN EQUIPMENT TEST CHAMBER.

THE, THE EQUIPMENT ACTUALLY GOES INTO ONE OF THESE.

UH, THERE'S USUALLY A, AN ENGINEER OR A TECHNICIAN SITTING OUT HERE AT A COMPUTER SCREEN LOOKING AT HOW THE EQUIPMENT'S BEHAVING UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS.

UH, SO THE EQUIPMENT IS ACTUALLY IN THAT TEST CHAMBER.

UH, YOU, YOU WON'T HEAR IT FROM OUTSIDE.

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UH, IF SOMEBODY THROWS METAL SCRAP INTO OUR RECYCLING BIN, IT'S NOW GARAGED.

UH, I THINK YOU SAW A PICTURE OF, UM, WE ANTICIPATE THOSE DOORS TO BE CLOSED.

THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO BE OPEN, UH, UNLESS SOMEBODY'S COMING TO PICK UP THE SCRAP METAL.

UH, IF SOMEBODY THROWS A PIECE OF METAL IN THE, IN THE BIN, IT'LL BE INSIDE.

UH, AND THEN TECHNICIANS WALKING AROUND DOING THEIR WORK, UH, THAT'S THE LIMIT OF THE NOISE THAT'S CREATED FROM THIS FACILITY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HVAC UNITS.

WERE SHOWING THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE.

ONE OF THE THIRD POINTS THAT WAS MADE WAS, UH, THE LARGE INDUSTRIAL SIDE.

BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS COMING AND GOING IN ALL THE TIME.

UH, I KNOW THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THE WALL, YOU WENT THROUGH THE, THE SCREENING ON THAT.

ANYTHING MORE YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT THE NOISE FROM TRUCKS? YES, SIR.

SO THE DESIRE IS TO BRING THE TRUCKS, UM, TO BACK THEM INTO THOSE, UH, BAYS.

AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A, UH, A CRANE SYSTEM BUILT INSIDE THE, THE FACILITY TO, TO PICK THAT UNIT UP AND MOVE IT AROUND INTO A TEST FACILITY.

AND SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BACKING A TRAILER IN YOU, BACK A TRAILER, AND THAT, THAT MAKES NOISE.

A TRUCK MAKES NOISE.

BUT ONCE IT'S INSIDE THE FACILITY, WE ANTICIPATE THE TRUCK UN UNHITCHING FROM THE, THE TRAILER LEAVING THE TRAILER IN THE BAY.

AND THEN THE CRANE, UH, DOES ITS THING AND PICKS UP THE EQUIPMENT, TAKES IT TO THE TEST CHAMBER, AND THEN ONCE FINISHED, THE CRANE TAKES THAT, UH, UNIT BACK TO A TRAILER THAT'S ALREADY PARKED IN THERE, LOADS IT.

WHEN IT'S READY TO GO, A TRUCK COMES, BACKS IN, HOOKS UP AND PULLS IT OUT.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF, UH, NOISE OR INTERFERENCE TO THE LOCAL NEIGHBORS.

I THINK THIS WRITING MAKES, UH, REFERENCE TO FORKLIFTS AS WELL.

IS THERE USE OF FORKLIFTS I, I KNOW YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

THERE, THERE WILL BE.

'CAUSE SOME, FROM TIME TO TIME WE'LL RECEIVE A FLATBED OF COMPRESSORS ON A, ON A, UH, A PALLET OR, YOU KNOW, PARTS.

AND SO, UH, TO GET IT, TO GET THINGS AROUND, UH, THE FACILITY THAT ARE, ARE NOT LARGE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, WE WOULD USE A FORKLIFT FROM TIME TO TIME.

BUT THE PRIMARY MOVEMENT OF THE EQUIPMENT IN THE FACILITY IS THE, IS THE CRANE SYSTEM.

ARE THOSE, UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE, BUT ARE THOSE PROPANE FORKLIFTS, ARE THEY ELECTRIC? OR DO WE KNOW YET? WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.

BOTH.

COMBINATION OF BOTH WAS THE ANSWER.

AND YOU KNOW, AS THE HEAD OF SUSTAINABILITY, I'M PUSHING TOWARDS MORE ELECTRIC.

ALRIGHT.

LAST POINT.

UM, THIS TALKS SPECIFICALLY, I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE PROBABLY READ THIS ABOUT A CERTAIN TYPE OF SHRUBS AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO YOUR CREDIT, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT TO, UH, ADD SCREENING OVER THE ENTIRE EXTENT OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, WAS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT, UH, THESE SPECIFIC TYPES OF PLANTS THAT ARE BEING, WE HAVE, WHEN I SPOKE TO, UM, UM, THE BASKINS, WE SPOKE SPECIFICALLY OF NELLY R STEVENS, UH, SCREENING, BECAUSE I HAVE 'EM IN MY YARD AND THEY, I, I BOUGHT 'EM TO SCREEN MY HOUSE FROM MY NEIGHBOR.

SO I KNOW THEY'RE GOOD SCREENING TREES.

WE'VE, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT LITTLE JIM MAGNOLIAS.

UH, WE HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY.

THEY CAN ADDRESS, UH, THEIR, THEIR SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION.

BUT WHAT WE AGREED TO DO IS LET'S RELY ON THE, I'M NOT A ARBORIST, I'M NOT A HORTICULTURALIST, I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

AND MY, MY WIFE HAS TOLD ME I'M NOT A INTERIOR DESIGNER EITHER.

, UH, WE'RE GONNA HIRE PROFESSIONALS TO HELP US WITH THAT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DESIRE OR WITH THE GOAL OR THE OBJECTIVE TO DO OPTIMAL SCREENING FOR THE SOIL, FOR THE LIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA PLANT GREAT TREES AND THEN THEY'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE AND THEY DIE.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LEAN ON, UM, A PROFESSIONAL TO HELP US ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST.

I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE, MY MAYBE MY LAST QUESTION, BUT, UH, YOU'RE REPLACING A LOT OF GREEN SPACE WITH, UM, A FACILITY HARD, YOU KNOW, HARDSCAPE, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IN TERMS OF RUNOFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? WELL, WE HAVE DONE A, UH, I THINK A TYPE ONE OR LEVEL ONE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY.

UH, AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE, OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, ARE NOT CREATING ANY PROBLEMS THAT DON'T ALREADY EXIST.

UM, CURRENTLY THE, THE, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING IS A HARD SURFACE PARKING LOT.

UM, SO THAT, THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE, INTO THE ENGINEERING PLAN FOR THE SITE.

THAT TAKES PLACE, A WATER CONTROL STUDY? YEAH.

I THINK STAFF, UM, YOU ALL SAID WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW BUILDING GOING UP OR SOMETHING, THERE'S UH, A DRAINAGE STUDY OR SOMETHING

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SO OUR DEPARTMENT WILL RECEIVE ANY SORT OF CIVIL PLANS, SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLANS, AND THAT'LL BE REVIEWED AS WELL AS THE ACTUAL BUILDING PLANS THAT WILL GO TO THE, UH, BUILDING AND PERMITTING DEPARTMENT THAT ALSO GET REVIEWED AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO, UH, EXCESS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UH, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW, UH, BUILDING SHOULD YOU, UH, APPROVE IT AND, UH, COUNCIL ALSO APPROVE IT.

I JUST HAD A EARLIER QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT THE, UH, TRUCK TURNING RADIUS.

UM, HAS THAT BEEN STUDIED AND PROVEN OUT THAT IT ACTUALLY WORKS? I'D HAVE TO CALL ON OUR ARCHITECT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UH, MR. RICK RUIZ.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL.

UH, MY NAME IS RICK RUIZ.

I'M AT 4 0 9 GRACE DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.

I WORK FOR BRW ARCHITECTS.

AND AS FAR AS AN OFFICIAL, UH, PARKING STUDY, I'VE LOOKED AT THE RADIUSES BASED ON EXPERIENCE BEING ABLE TO BACK THAT IN THE, THE PROJECT IS STILL UNDER SCHEMATIC DESIGN, BUT WE DO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO BE ABLE TO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A HAMMER HEAD TURNING RADIUS FOR, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY SO THAT YOU DO HAVE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE A VEHICLE, A LARGE VEHICLE, EVEN A, UH, FIRE TRUCK IF YOU WILL COME IN BACK INTO THAT SPACE AND THEN PULL BACK OUT.

SO WE'RE STILL STUDYING THAT.

UM, ONCE WE HAVE OUR CIVIL ON BOARD, WE'LL COME COMPLETE THAT.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WIDTH OF THE, UH, OVERHEAD COILING DOORS.

SO, AND I, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE THE CRANE SYSTEM INSIDE THE BUILDING, UH, FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE, UM, THAT LOADING DOCK.

UM, BUT YOU DO ANTICIPATE SOME THINGS COMING IN ON A FLATBED, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'D USE THAT EXTERIOR DOCK, LOADING DOCK THAT'S COVERED.

AND, AND IF THOSE TWO BAYS ARE FULL OF TRAILERS, WE WANTED A, ANOTHER OPTION, UH, WHERE TRUCK WOULDN'T HAVE TO STAGE IN THAT, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING OR TO THE, UM, THE WEST OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.

UM, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE USING THAT LOADING DOCK.

IT'LL, IT'LL HAVE A REMOVABLE, UH, RAILING.

UH, BUT THE, THE, UH, THE DESIRE IS TO PUSH AS MANY DELIVERIES INTO, UH, THAT THAT ENCLOSED AREA IS POSSIBLE.

VOTE NOW WITHIN THAT HOA.

AND THEN I KNOW, UH, LAST TIME THERE WAS SOME, UM, SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT, ACTUALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS BUILDING, BUT YOUR EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AND KIND OF THE LOADING DOCK AND TRASH PICKUP AND EVERYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF YOUR, OF THE TOWER BUILDING, HAS ANY ANYTHING BEEN DONE TO KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS? YEAH, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, WORKED WITH OUR, UM, I'M TRYING TO FIND A SLIDE HERE.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO IT.

SO WASTING YOUR TIME.

UH, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY TENANT IN THAT BUILDING.

UH, WE'RE, UM, WORKING WITH OUR VENDORS, UH, TO MODIFY THEIR DELIVERY TIMES.

THE, PROBABLY THE BIG, THE BIG ONE IS OUR CAFETERIA CISCO WAS, WAS EITHER LINING UP ON, UH, THE ROAD NEXT TO THE BUILDING OR JUST WAITING AT THE LOADING DOCK.

WE'VE, WE'VE SAID THAT OUR HOURS ARE THIS AND DON'T, DON'T COME BEFORE THAT.

UM, AMAZON, THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT AMAZON.

THEY SHOW UP WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE IT.

I RECEIVED A DELIVERY TO MY FRONT DOOR AT 3:26 AM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT THEY DO, UH, BUT WITH OUR, UM, WITH OUR TENANTS, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO MODIFY THEIR DELIVERIES AS WELL.

UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE DOING IS WHEN WE PURCHASE THE BUILDING, WE'RE TRYING TO FILL THE BUILDING WITH LENNOX EMPLOYEES.

AND SO AS THOSE LEASES ARE, UH, EXPIRING, WE'RE NOT RENEWING THOSE LEASES.

WE'D LIKE TO, UM, USE THAT SPACE FOR LENNOX EMPLOYEES.

SO, UH, THE THEORY OF THE CASE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UH, MORE CONTROL OVER THE DELIVERIES WHEN WE ARE THE SOLE TENANT OF THE CAMPUS INSTEAD OF ONE OF MANY.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS ON THE, UH, UH, COVENANTS AND DECLARATIONS FOR THE, THE PROB YOU WENT THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THOSE MM-HMM .

ALL, ALL THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAD BEEN MADE, WERE THOSE MADE BY THE LINUX OR WAS THAT SOMEBODY ELSE? THEY WERE MADE, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, COLLECTIVELY BY MEMBERS OF THE UNIVERSITY WORLD, HOA AND AS AS PROPERTY WAS SOLD, UH, THE PERCENTAGES OF WHO COULD VOTE FOR WHAT CHANGED OVER TIME.

I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE MAYBE A 24, 20 3%

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GOTCHA.

UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, UH, BUT WE MAY HAVE SOME AFTER.

SURE.

UH, WE HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS, SO THANK YOU.

AND, UH, BEFORE I GO, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WERE VERY PRODUCTIVE, UM, AND VERY CIVIL, SO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR OPPOSITION, BUT, UH, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING AND IT'S BEEN A CIVIL PROCESS, SO I WANNA YEAH.

THANK EVERYBODY FOR THAT.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR THANKS, YOU KNOW, POSTPONING AND TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC AND TRY TO RESOLVE AS MANY ISSUES AS YOU CAN.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

OF THE, UH, UM, THINGS THAT ARE BEING TESTED AND HOW THEY'RE BROUGHT IN.

SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN EITHER FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, NOW'S YOUR, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE.

YOU GOT CARDS? YOU WANNA CALL OUT SOME NAMES? YEAH, WE DO.

WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME CARDS.

UM, UH, SO WE DO HAVE A CARD FROM, UM, MARK DES THAT HAS, UH, INDICATED, UH, SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

UM, WILLIAM STRINGER INDICATED SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND CLAY TOMBS INDICATED SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

UM, THOSE WERE INDIVIDUALS NOT WISHING TO SPEAK.

UM, WE DO HAVE CARDS HERE FOR THOSE, UH, WANTING TO COME UP AND SPEAK.

AND SO, UM, DR. ALLEN BASKIN, MY NAME'S ALAN BASKIN, AND I AM THE DAY FACTOR OWNER OF OXIDE TOWNS, UH, THROUGH, UM, PACIFICA PARTNERS, LTD AND, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

UM, I AM FIRST OF ALL SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF PARKSIDE TOWNS WHO ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO HAVING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES NEXT DOOR TO THEIRS.

I WOULDN'T BUY MY HOME IF, UM, I WAS FACED WITH THAT TYPE OF CHOICE.

UM, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT MR. HURST AND MARGO MURPHY HAVE BEEN KIND, HOSPITABLE, COURTEOUS AND CONSISTENT IN THEIR OUTREACH TO US, AND HAVE MADE A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS AND HAVE DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ENVISAGE.

I AM CONCERNED THAT, UM, VERBAL ASSURANCES GIVEN HERE TODAY AND GIVEN BY LENNOX CAN BE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

AND I THINK HAVING R AND D RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IS A VERY BROAD TERM, AND IT'S THE THIN EDGE OF THE WEDGE.

NORMALLY, UM, LABS ARE CONFINED TO A, A BUILDING AND THEY HAVE TEST TUBES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, UM, THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY TEST IS OF MODERATE SIZE.

THE EQUIPMENT HERE IS VERY LARGE, UM, AND IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT IN ON WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO FLATBED TRUCKS.

AND THAT MEANS THAT THERE HAS TO BE, UM, THE PRESENCE OF A FORKLIFT IN ORDER TO, UM, BRING IT INTO THE BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT IN WITH A FORKLIFT, UM, BUT, UM, THAT IS A CONCERN.

AND THERE, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE NOISE FROM THE FORKLIFT TO THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THIS AREA WHERE THE, UM, ACTIVITIES ARE GONNA TAKE PLACE.

UM, SO THAT WAS THE, THE OBJECTION AS FAR AS THE NOISE IS CONCERNED.

UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE VISUAL ASPECT IS CONCERNED, UH, MR. HURST HAS, UM, REACHED OUT TO US AND, UM, PUT IN THOSE ISLANDS, WHICH WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE AND, UM, HAS TRIED TO ASSIST US WITH THE SCREENING.

UM, PREVIOUSLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT WAS SOMEWHAT OF A GREEN SPACE WHEN, UM, THIS WAS DEVELOPED AND THEY WANTED TO, UM, KEEP IT OPEN.

WE WERE LOOKING AT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, WHICH IS THE LENNOX BUILDING AND A PARKING SPACE THAT WAS USUALLY EMPTY.

UM, AND THIS IS ALL GONNA CHANGE.

SO NOW YOU'VE GOT A BIG BUILDING VERY CLOSE TO YOU, AND YOU'VE GOT THESE, THESE ACTIVITIES OCCURRING.

AND I THINK FOR THE FUTURE, THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER PLACING SOME GUARDRAILS AROUND THE USE OF R AND D IN TERMS OF THE SIZE

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SO THOSE ARE OUR, OUR MAJOR OBJECTIONS.

IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THIS, IF IT IS PASSED, WE WOULD, UM, VERY MUCH LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MR. HURST'S, UM, VERY KIND OFFER TO, TO CONSIDER THE PLACEMENT OF A THICK HEDGE WITH THE NEARLY STEVENS BETWEEN US AND THE BUILDING, AND THE, UM, THE DOCK, THE LOADING DOCK, AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE, WHICH ARE THOSE, UM, USING THE FORKLIFT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, AS TIME GOES ON, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT THAT COMES IN CANNOT BE CONTROLLED.

UM, ONCE THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO USE IT, USE IT.

AND MR. HURST AND I HAVE BOTH DISAPPEARED.

SO, UM, I LEAVE IT UP TO THE CITY IF THEY PASS IT TO PUT THE GUARDRAILS ON IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, LIMITING THE SI THE, THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY THAT TAKES PLACE IN A VERY, VERY DENSE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UM, AND I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO INTRUDE IN AN ESTABLISHED SITE, UM, UM, AREA WITH DENSE RESIDENTIAL ON ALL SIDES.

SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S IN SUMMARY.

UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU HERE.

THREE MINUTES HAS ACTUALLY EXPIRED, SO APPRECIATE IT.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU, YOUR PATIENCE AND, UM, TOLERANCE.

THANK YOU, CLIFFWOOD.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER, UH, CHAIRMAN MARSH, UH, AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.

UM, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND LENNOX FOR, UH, AND BRW FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.

I THINK IT'S, UH, VASTLY IMPROVED SINCE LAST TIME WHEN WE MET.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.

UM, I JUST HAD THREE COMMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SEE ADDRESSED.

UH, NUMBER ONE, UM, I THINK WHILE I APPRECIATE THE LANDSCAPE COMMITMENTS, AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE ON THE NORTH, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M CLIFFWOOD.

8 2 2 6 VIEX AVENUE.

UH, YEAH, I THINK WE HAD THAT WITH YOUR CARD, BUT THANKS FOR OKAY.

I'M SORRY, CLARIFYING, I REMEMBER YOU WERE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

SO WE'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

UH, WE HAVE A VIEW DOWN THAT MAIN NORTH SOUTH STREET, UH, THAT VIEWS THE LAKE.

UM, SO APPRECIATING THE COMMITMENTS TO THE SCREENING, WHICH IS OUR BIG CONCERN.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT WRITTEN INTO THE FINAL ORDINANCE, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS.

'CAUSE AS I READ THE, THE NEW REQUIREMENTS OR THE ORDINANCE, I PRESUME, UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE LACKING ANY DETAIL.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I THINK IN THE ABSENCE OF THE SPECIFICITY OF THE, UM, TREE SCREENING, UM, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF MITIGATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

UM, LIKE I MENTIONED LAST TIME, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 400 CALIBER INCHES THAT ARE GONNA BE, UM, TAKEN AWAY WITH, WITH THIS NEW BUILDING.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE METHOD FOR MITIGATION BE IN KIND REPLACEMENT AS OPPOSED TO MONETARY COMPENSATION.

AND IF WE COULD ALLOCATE, UM, THE MITIGATION TO THE PERIMETER SCREENING FOR THE NEIGHBORS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST.

UM, AND THEN I THINK LASTLY, I WOULD JUST, UM, SAY THAT IF WE COULD LIMIT DELIVERIES AND TRASH PICKUP TO THE HOURS OF 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED.

UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE DO HEAR SOME LOUD SLAMMING OF, UH, DUMPSTER CONTAINERS.

NOT, NOT OFTEN, BUT, UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL, UH, AWAKE AT 5:00 AM AND HEAR THAT.

BUT, SO IF WE COULD WORK ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SO THAT'S, EVERYBODY'S TRYING.

BRENDA BAILEY.

HI, I AM BRENDA BAILEY.

I LIVE AT 22 0 9 LONDON AVENUE.

I'M ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, OF THE

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LENNOX BUILDING.

AND I, I WANNA DO A, A SHOUT OUT TO DEREK.

SHE, SHE HAS LISTENED TO ME SEVERAL TIMES ON THE PHONE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND ALSO TO LENNOX AND MARGO.

UM, I KNOW THIS ISN'T EASY.

UM, I THINK IT'S HARD WHEN YOU'RE BLENDING A BUSINESS AND PERSONAL SPACE FOR PEOPLE.

IT GETS A LITTLE, UM, IT CAN GET INTENSE AND WORRISOME AND WE, WE TEND TO AWFULIZE ABOUT, OH, WHAT ABOUT OUR PROPERTY VALUES? ALL THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE, ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE EAST SIDE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY FEELING ALL THE LOVE WITH THE, UM, GREENERY AND STUFF LIKE THAT JUST YET.

, HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT MIGHT HELP US.

UM, I UNFORTUNATELY FACE THE LOADING DOCK OF THE OLDER BUILDING.

UM, THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.

I DO THINK THERE'S BEEN A REAL FOCUS ON TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DELIVERIES EARLY IN THE MORNING.

AND, UH, SHOUT OUT TO MARGO FOR ME, SENDING HER PICTURES OF EARLY MORNING, UM, DELIVERIES.

I, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN, AND IT'S MORE PROBABLY GLOBAL AND THE PREVIOUS GROUP THAT WAS HERE WITH, UH, THE, THE SCHOOL, WHICH, WHICH IS AWESOME, THAT PARTICULAR AREA, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THERE, IT IS GETTING SO TIGHT WITH, AND WE KEEP SAYING, OH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THIS THERE, THERE ACTUALLY IS IF YOU LIVE THERE.

AND I DO WORRY THAT WE'RE JUST CONTINUING TO SQUEEZE AND SQUEEZE AND SQUEEZE IN THAT SPACE AND THE HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE THERE AND RESIDE THERE, IT'S BECOMING A LOT MORE DIFFICULT.

AND I, I ABSOLUTELY RESPECT THE BUSINESSES AND THE SCHOOL THAT NEEDS TO, NEEDS THE SPACE.

BUT I DRIVE DOWN WATERVIEW AND I SEE ALL THESE VACANT BUILDINGS AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S ALL THIS SPACE HERE.

WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE? BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AREA AND THE ROAD JOHNSON IS A DISASTER, THAT PARTICULAR ROADWAY.

UM, AND I HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME LONG-TERM PLANS TO GET THAT FIXED BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS PROBLEMATIC.

SO, UM, I KNOW IT'S HARD, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA SEE GROWTH AND WE WANNA SEE EXPANSIONS, BUT AS A HOMEOWNER IN THAT SPACE, I AM FEELING SQUEEZED.

UM, AND I REALIZE YOU HAVE TO TAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THERE'S OTHER CONCERNS TOO.

THAT'S THE ONE THING I WILL SAY.

I DO FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD ALTERNATIVE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY.

SO IT'S GONNA BE GIVE AND TAKE.

SO.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MOHAMMED KANI.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS MOHAMMAD KANI.

I'M THE NORTH SIDE OF UNIVERSITY POLICE.

MY CONCERN IS THAT WHY SIRI HAVE A VERY INTERESTED TO BE ALLOW ZONING CHANGE IF HAVE A COMMERCIAL ZONING AND ALLOW TO BE INDUSTRIAL IS BEEN THIS PROPERTY NOT TO BE INDUSTRIAL.

IF YOUR INDUSTRIAL TRUCK COMING OUT DAY, NIGHT, DAY, CT CANNOT CONTROL IT, GENTLEMEN, SAY AMAZON OR SOMETHING.

AMAZON COME IN FOR JUST FEW MINUTES AND THEY HAVE A SMALL TRUCK, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWING RIGHT NOW 18 WHEELER OR BIGGER AND CRANE EVERYTHING MORNING, DAY TO NIGHT OR WE NO HAVE A CONTROL.

C CANNOT HAVE A CONTROL FOR TIMING.

SO MY QUESTION, WHY CITI ALLOW TO THEM TO BE ZONING CHANGE AS INDUSTRIAL? YEAH.

IF IT'S OFFICE BUILDING ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE FOR THE OFFICE IS DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE RIGHT NOW DOING FOR INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, STORAGE BUILDING AND THEY HAVE, BUILDING IS SO HIGH, 36 FEET HIGH, IT'S NO SINGLE STORY BUILDING IS 36 FEET HIGH.

AND SECOND THING, YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL FOR THE TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW, THE KIDS AROUND THE BUILDING, NEIGHBOR OR SOMETHING BIG TRAILER DAY NIGHT, EVERY TIME THEY'RE AROUND THE BUILDING AND HAVE MORE ACCIDENT HAPPEN, MORE TRAFFIC.

IF YOU HAVE A BIG STORY COMING OUT, MIGHT WE HAVE A 200 PEOPLE OR MAYBE A HUNDRED PEOPLE MORE A HUNDRED CARS AND AROUND SURROUNDING, THEY HAVE A NEIGHBOR.

SO PLEASE BE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW MY, I'M OVER THERE ON OUR SIDE, BUT I'M JUST VALUE FOR THE RICHES AND CITY.

THE ZONING CHANGE IF YOU CD ALLOW, I THINK SO IS NOT GOOD.

BETTER THAN CD BUY THIS PROPERTY AND MAKE PLAYGROUND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, THAT WAS ALL OF MY CARDS.

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DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE AJ? YEAH, THERE'S ANOTHER AND THERE'S SOME SOMEWHERE IN THE AUDIENCE.

YEAH, I HAVE UM, TOMER RE SORRY.

IT'S OKAY.

HELLO, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS TOMER RE UH, I'M ACTUALLY MR. KANIS NEIGHBOR.

UH, I LIVE ON 1 7 1 0 7 TEXAS MUSTACHE.

UH, IF YOU WANNA PROVIDE 'EM THE CARD, UH, I HOPE YOU GUYS NOT GONNA APPROVE THIS PROJECT AT ALL.

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO OFFER YOU GUYS, I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY POINT OF VIEW.

UH, IT'S MONEY, IT'S PROPERTY, PROPERTY TAXES.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT MY, MY LOT.

I BOUGHT IT, UH, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

IT'S FACING EXACTLY.

I HAVE A THIRD ACRE OVER THERE ON THE CORNER OF 1 7, 1 0 7 TEXAS MUSTACHE.

I INVITE ALL OF YOU, UH, RESPECTFUL PEOPLE TO COME OVER TO MY BACKYARD AND LOOK AT MY VIEW.

THIS IS THE MAIN REASON THAT I BOUGHT IT.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY REASON IN THE WORLD TO SQUEEZE, UH, A COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRY BUILDING IN THAT SPOT.

THIS IS A VERY NARROW SPOT.

IT'S A PARKING LOT.

AND BY THE WAY, THIS PARKING LOT IS OCCUPIED MOST OF THE TIME.

SO THEY NEED THAT SPACE FOR PARKING SPACES.

AND I SEE, AND I VIEW MY ENTIRE LARGE YARD IS, UH, FACED OVER THERE.

THERE IS ALSO A ROLLING, THERE'S ALSO, WE HAVE A, WE OUR, UH, UNIVERSITY PLACE BUILT ON A TERRACE ABOVE THEIR LOCATION OF THE ENTIRE LENOX FACILITY.

WE HAVE, I HAVE A SLOPE IN MY BACKYARD AND THAT, UH, NORTH SIDE WALL THAT MADE OF, UH, FABRICATED, UM, FABRICATED WALLS OF, UH, CEMENT.

IT'S NOT EVEN WOOD AS YOU MENTIONED.

IT'S COMPLETELY, IT'S A MATERIALS, IT'S A MATERIAL THAT'S NOT EVEN CAN HOLD THE STABILITY OF THE GROUND.

NOW I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER IN REAL ESTATE.

FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE IS A TERM OF THE SURROUNDING OF, UH, THE BUFFER ZONES THAT BET THAT CREATED BETWEEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS A VERY HIGHLY CONDENSED RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND I TOOK RIGHT NOW TO YOUR HEART, I, I BUILT, I TOOK ALL MY SAVINGS, ALL MY LIVELIHOOD FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS THAT I WORK AS A REAL ESTATE ENGINEER IN THE CITY.

AND I PUT ALL MY SAVINGS TOWARDS BUILDING THAT HOUSE WITH A BUILDER.

UH, WE HAVE A VIEW OF IT THERE THAT WE WERE COMPROMISING BECAUSE THE LENOX BUILDING WAS THERE, BUT WE, I WAS COMPROMISING WITH MY WIFE AND MY FAMILY AND I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE THIS LOT BECAUSE WE REALLY, WE REALLY VIEW BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE, THE ENTIRE VIEW IS OPEN FROM OUR BACKYARD.

AND THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING OUR LIVES.

WE HAVE THREE KIDS THAT GOES TO RICHARDSON SCHOOLS.

WE PAY PROPERTY TAXES TO THE CITY AS WELL.

AND I THINK IF YOU GUYS ARE PROVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU GUYS GOING TO, UH, CREATE A FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE THAT'S GOING TO DETERIORATE OUR VALUES AND OUR LIVES.

IT'S OUR LIVELIHOODS.

WE ARE FACING THIS AREA.

TRUCKS, UH, 18 WHEELERS GOING IN AND OUT.

IT'S SO NARROW OVER THERE.

I DUNNO HOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA FIT A TRUCK THAT'S GOING, GOING TO THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE BACK DOGS.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO HURT US IN A WAY THAT FIRST OF ALL, IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE PROBABLY ARE GONNA LIVE IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE.

AND I INVITE ALL OF YOU, PLEASE COME TO OUR NE COME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, COME TO OUR BACKYARD, THAT SIDE OF THE NORTH AREA, HAVE A SLOPE GOING DOWN.

WE VIEW THE ENTIRE PARKING SPACE OVER THERE AND I TALK TO YOUR HEART.

PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THIS PROJECT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IN, IN ADDITION TO, UM, BEING GENERALLY IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, IF YOU DO ACCEPT IT, I DO HAVE A FEW REQUESTS, NAMELY THAT LENNOX BE REQUIRED TO FULFILL COMMITMENTS IT MADE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT IT OUT ITS OUTREACH MEETING, ONE OF WHICH WAS TO PROVIDE A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.

AND I HAVE ONE FROM BRANDY NOLAN.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I SUBMITTED MY COMMENTS IN WRITING PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO I HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THOSE COMMENTS IN YOUR PACKET AND I WON'T BELABOR THOSE POINTS.

BUT I DID WANT TO BE HERE PERSONALLY TO JUST EMPHASIZE, UM, THAT IT WASN'T JUST WORDS ON PAPER, BUT THAT THERE IS A PERSON BEHIND THOSE COMMENTS.

A RESIDENT OF THE CITY WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS NOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS SAVOY LANDING.

SO WE ARE TO THE EAST OF LENNOX.

I, MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO TATUM, SO ANY NOISE AND TRAFFIC THAT OCCURS IN RELATION TO EMPLOYEES, CONSTRUCTION, DELIVERY TRUCKS, UH, DIRECTLY IMPACT, UH, MY USE AND ENJOY ENJOYMENT OF MY HOME.

I DID SEND PHOTOS AND VIDEO TO GIVE YOU A SENSE AND FLAVOR OF WHAT I HEAR AND HAVE HEARD OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

AND THE, THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE HAD DURING THAT TIME PERIOD GIVES ME PAUSE, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT LENNOX WILL, UH, AND OTHER TENANTS THERE WILL FULFILL, YOU KNOW, THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO MITIGATE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES GOING FORWARD.

SO, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO READ MY COMMENTS.

UM, BUT, UH,

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UH, THE SECOND ONE WAS TO PROVIDE CONTACT INFORMATION SO THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS DURING THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE A DIRECT POINT OF CONTACT.

UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS TO PROVIDE A SOUND BARRIER AROUND THE EXISTING GENERATORS, WHICH ARE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY LOUD .

UM, SO I SENT A VIDEO SO HOPEFULLY YOU COULD, UH, FULLY APPRECIATE HOW LOUD THOSE GENERATORS ARE.

UM, BUT, UM, UH, THOSE ARE SOME COMMITMENTS THAT I HOPE YOU WILL REQUIRE THEM TO AT A MINIMUM KEEP.

UH, IS ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAYBE DIDN'T SUBMIT A CARD THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP? NO.

COME ON.

UH, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH MS. PETERS ABOUT SOME OPTIONS.

I, UH, MEMBERS OF THE, THE BOARD AND THE CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

I'LL BE QUICK.

I'M BASICALLY GONNA BE ECHOING WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID FROM THE COMMUNITY JUST FOR YOUR NA UH, NAME AND ADDRESS.

YEAH, MY NAME IS DAVID RUBIN, UH, R-U-B-I-N.

I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE UNIVERSITY PLACE.

MY ADDRESS IS 8 0 1 0 COPPER WAY.

UM, ESSENTIALLY I, I'M ECHOING WHAT THEY SAID THERE.

THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE AREA IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PLACES.

THERE'S, UH, A NOISE CONCERN.

UM, AND WHILE THEY'RE GONNA BE TESTING EVERYTHING INSIDE IN THESE CONTROLLED AREAS, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE TEMPERATURE CONTROL ON THE BUILDING ITSELF.

AND SO YOU'RE USING LARGE AC UNITS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN AROUND ANY OF THOSE.

THOSE THINGS ARE LOUD.

UM, LIKEWISE, IF YOU'RE TESTING AC UNITS, YOU KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE REFRIGERANT USED TO TEST THOSE.

SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA DISPOSE THAT? I, I THINK THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN KIND OF, UM, OVERSEEN THE EXISTING R AND D FACILITY THAT THEY HAVE NOWHERE NEAR ANY HOMES, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVE TO BRING THAT OVER HERE.

UM, SO I, I THINK THIS IS JUST KIND OF SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE NEAR SEVERAL SCHOOLS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOS THAT THEY PRESENTED AS WELL THAT THEY HAD, UH, PHO, YOU COULD SEE HOMES IN THE PHOTOS THAT THEY ACTUALLY SUBMITTED.

UM, SO AGAIN, I I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY, UH, AN R AND D FACILITY IS GONNA BE HAVING HEAVY EQUIPMENT DELIVERED AT, YOU KNOW, SOME UNKNOWN HOURS THAT THEY'RE PROMISING WON'T BE DISTURBING, UM, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO BE, UH, ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE MITIGATED IN ANY FASHION TO THE SURROUNDING HOMES.

UM, I'M A REASONABLE INDIVIDUAL.

I, IF THERE WAS WAYS TO MITIGATE THESE KIND OF THINGS LIKE WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLING DART, I WAS ACTUALLY ON BOARD FOR IT.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT DID END UP IMPACTING THE SURROUNDING AREA IN OUR COMMUNITY DIRECTLY, UH, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO THERE'S REALLY NO WAY THAT YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE NEIGHBORING HOMES LIKE THIS UNFORTUNATELY, IT JUST SEEMS, UM, OVERALL, I JUST THINK IT, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY TOO LATE TO BUILD AN ITEM LIKE THIS NOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA IS, UH, FILLED WITH HOMES.

AND THAT'S REALLY MY STATEMENT.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? MR. HURST, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS FOR REBUTTAL? SURE.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, I TOOK NOTES.

I'LL TRY TO COVER AS MANY OF THESE AS I CAN.

UM, REGARDING THE, UH, THE, THE MR. WOOD, THE SCREENING, WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT WITH A, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

UM, THE, UM, THE VARIOUS, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HE MADE OR, OR CERTAINLY WITHIN REASON, UM, REGARDING, UM, MS. BAILEY'S COMMENTS, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

UH, THERE JUST IS, UM, COT ROAD GOING NORTH, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THE GEORGE BUSH.

BETWEEN COT AND GEORGE BUSH IS A MESS RIGHT NOW.

UM, MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES, MYSELF INCLUDED, WHO WOULD NORMALLY, UH, LEAVE, UH, THE OFFICE BUILDING, UH, TO THE WEST AND GO UP QUITE, UH, ARE NOW GOING ON, UH, WATERVIEW.

AND SO, UH, THAT TRAFFIC IS BUILDING THERE HAS BEEN A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

UH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT AT SOME POINT WHEN, UH, QUITE OPENS UP, UH, AND THE DART LINE IS UP AND RUNNING, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT ALLEVIATED.

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MYSELF AND, AND MARGOT HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, UH, REGARDING, UH, JOHNSON ROAD, TATUM AND WHAT COULD BE DONE, UH, TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN THERE.

OUR CEO IS GOING TO DO A SAFETY MOMENT WITH OUR EMPLOYEES TO TALK ABOUT, UM, DOING OUR PART.

UM, I WAS, UH, EXITING YESTERDAY AND, AND SOMEBODY FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, SHOT ACROSS THE ROAD AND, AND CUT ME OFF.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST LENNOX EMPLOYEES.

WE ALL NEED TO SHOW A LITTLE GRACE AND, AND SLOW DOWN.

UM, THERE ARE CRANES.

UH, WE ARE REPLACING THE ROOF ON OUR THREE STORY BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE ARE TRUCKS AND THERE'S CRANES.

THAT BUILDING IS, UH, OLD, UH, IT'S OVER 30 YEARS OLD AND IT, IT WAS, UH, OVERDUE FOR A ROOF AND SO THERE IS SOME MORE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THAN NORMAL.

UH, AND THEN, UM, BRANDY'S, UH, COMMENTARY, UH, WE ARE HAPPY TO SIGN A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDES, UM, CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES.

WE PLAN TO, UM, CONSTRUCT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND NOT ON WEEKENDS.

AND IF THERE WAS AN EVENT THAT WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING ON A WEEKEND, WE WOULD NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, WE WANNA PROVIDE A LIST OF CONTACTS.

UH, WE ALSO, UH, AS PART OF THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, UM, BY YOU.

AND INTERNALLY, THIS PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETELY APPROVED BY OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS YET.

IT WOULD INCLUDE A GENERATOR SOUND BARRIER, UH, FOR THAT GENERATOR THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE AC UNITS, UM, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ROOFTOP UNITS, THEY ARE LOUD.

UH, SO ARE AC UNITS ON THE SIDE OF HOUSES.

UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO GO OUT TO THE, THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND TODAY AND SEE IF YOU CAN HEAR OUR AC UNITS OVER, UH, THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON QUATE AND CAMPBELL.

THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT YOU HEAR WHEN YOU'RE STANDING OUT THERE.

I'VE GONE OUT THERE TO EAT LUNCH SEVERAL TIMES.

UH, THAT'S THE PRIMARY NOISE THAT YOU HEAR IS THE, IS THE SURROUNDING TRAFFIC.

BUT, UM, IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE.

UM, I'LL HAND IT BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, MAYBE, UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, JUST ADDRESS AGAIN WHY, UM, LENNOX WANTS TO DO THIS R AND D FACILITY AT THIS LOCATION.

THE PRIMARY REASON IS WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR TECHNOLOGY.

WE'RE GONNA CELEBRATE OUR HUNDRED AND 30TH ANNIVERSARY, UH, NEXT YEAR.

UH, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LENNOX, WE'RE AN INNOVATOR IN THE INDUSTRY.

WE MANUFACTURE THE MOST EFFICIENT PRODUCTS ON THE PLANET WHEN IT COMES TO HEATING AND COOLING PRODUCTS AND HEAT PUMPS.

UM, PART OF OUR INNOVATION CENTER IS ALSO TO SHOW OUR CUSTOMERS OUR LEGACY OF INNOVATION AND OUR CAPABILITY.

UM, WE ALSO, UH, CURRENTLY TEST UNITS INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A, A COMPLETE CONTAINED CAMPUS.

UM, WE OWN THE PROPERTY.

WE, WE PURCHASED IT ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

UM, THE REASON IS IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO OUR HEADQUARTERS AND IT, UH, FOSTERS COLLABORATION BETWEEN OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, OUR PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT TEAM, OUR FINANCE TEAM, UH, ANY TEAM MEMBER THAT IS, UH, ON THE LINUX CAMPUS.

UM, WE, WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE DO BETTER WHEN WE SEE EACH OTHER.

WE CAME BACK FROM COVID.

WE WORK IN THE OFFICE FOUR DAYS A WEEK.

UM, WE HAVE, HALF OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE IN FACTORIES, UH, PRIMARILY IN NORTH AMERICA.

AND WE FEEL THAT IF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA WORK IN FACTORIES, WE SHOULD WORK IN THE OFFICE.

AND SO WE'RE NOT WORKING REMOTELY, WE'RE WORKING ON SITE AND ON SITE DRIVES THAT COLLABORATION, WHICH DRIVES THAT INNOVATION.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT THE FACILITY AT OUR HEADQUARTERS.

AND THE, UH, UH, AS FAR AS THE GENERATOR THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT MAYBE NEEDS THE SOUND ATTENUATION IS, THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TOWER? THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TOWER.

IT'S, IT WAS PLACED THERE WHEN THE TOWER WAS BUILT, 1999.

AND IT HAS NO SOUND.

IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY SURROUNDED BY A, A WOODEN FENCE, UH, THAT'S INTEGRATED INTO THE LOADING DOCK.

AND SO THE DESIRE WOULD BE TO DO SOME HARD SURFACE, UH, MASONRY TYPE WALL TO DEFLECT MORE SOUND UP VERSUS OUT.

AND, AND, UM, YOU, YOU DO HAVE A, A GENERATOR FOR THIS R AND D FACILITY.

IS THAT THE ONE YOU RELOCATED TO THE SOUTHEAST OR, YES.

THAT, THAT'S AN IT GENERATOR TO RUN COMPUTERS? NOT AS MUCH AS LIFESAVING GENERATOR AS THE, THE LARGE, UH, GENERATOR IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE CAMPUS.

A ROOF, COULD YOU, DENNIS? IT'S TOO HEAVY.

AND IS THAT GONNA BE, DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY DETAILS ON WHAT SIZE OF THAT? AND IS IT GONNA BE ENCLOSED OR IT IT'LL BE ENCLOSED BY THE PARAPET ON THE ROOF.

IT'S MUCH SMALLER.

THE, THE GENERATORS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO RUN THE, THE CAMPUS, UH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD PUT THAT ON

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YOU WOULDN'T WANT, YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT ON A ROOF, BUT, UH, THE IT GENERATOR IS MUCH SMALLER.

DO YOU KNOW HOW, IS THAT A, UH, DIESEL GENERATOR OR IS THAT A, UH, CLAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S NATURAL GAS? UH, I MEAN, CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE MORE DESCRIPTION OF THAT? MOST LIKELY, UM, NATURAL GAS.

THINK OF IT AS MORE OF A GENERAC TYPE GENERATOR VERSUS AN INDUSTRIAL GENERATOR.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, YEAH.

UM, OKAY.

LET'S SEE.

WHAT ELSE.

UH, HOW ABOUT THE COMMENTS? I MEAN, A COUPLE PEOPLE MADE THE COMMENTS THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE VERSUS R AND D.

AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? THERE? THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF BOTH.

UH, WE FALL ON UNDER THE, THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEFINITION.

IT IS, IT IS NOT AN INDUSTRIAL USE.

WE'RE NOT MIXING CHEMICALS, WE'RE NOT DOING INDUSTRIAL PROCESSES.

UM, WHAT ELSE? IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. BOSAK? UM, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU ANTICIPATING AT THIS SITE? UM, AROUND 40, NO MORE THAN 62.

62 IS MAX CAPACITY.

SO IF THERE'S A MEETING OVER THERE IN ONE OF THE MEETING ROOMS, WE WOULD HAVE 62 IF WE HAD A CUSTOMER TOUR.

BUT WE ANTICIPATE, GIVE OR TAKE 40.

AND WHAT'S THE AVERAGE PER DAY OF THOSE TRANSPORTATION TRUCKS, VEHICLES THAT ARE BRINGING THE, THE PRODUCT IN AND OUT? WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY COME FROM, THEY'RE COMING FROM US.

SO THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL.

UM, I, I BELIEVE OUR EXISTING LOADING DOCK IS, WE'VE POSTED NOW SEVEN TO FIVE, IS THAT CORRECT? SEVEN TO FIVE.

UM, OUR IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT.

OUR PRIMARY SHIFT OVER THERE IS GONNA BE, I, I THINK THE CORE HOURS ARE LISTED AS NINE TO THREE.

UH, THAT'S WHEN THE, WE WOULD DO THE, THE DELIVERIES OF LARGE EQUIPMENT.

IT, IT'S COMING FROM EITHER CARROLLTON OR ONE OF OUR FACTORIES.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL WHEN THEY ARRIVE.

AND WHEN THEY DEPART, WHAT, HOW ARE THEY, ARE THEY COMING UP CO THEY'RE, UM, I THINK THE, LET ME SHOW THE, OH, THEY WOULD GENERALLY COME, THERE IS AN ALLEYWAY, WHICH IS A ROAD THAT I BELIEVE WE OWN.

THIS IS OUR PARKING DECK.

THEY WOULD COME UP, MAKE THE TURN, AND THEN BACK IN AND THEN EXIT OUT TO KUWAIT.

THAT'S ASSUMING EVERYTHING IS, I I WOULDN'T EXIT OFF KUT RIGHT NOW JUST BECAUSE IT'S A MESS.

UM, OR I'D TRY TO GET WEST OF KUT BEFORE MAKING A TURN NORTH.

I JUST JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE USE FOR A MOMENT.

SO, UM, ACCORDING TO OUR PACKET, UM, THIS IS AN OM OFFICE DISTRICT WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS, UM, REZONED TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S THE PROPO ASK REQUEST, RIGHT? YES.

AND, BUT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS FOR THE OM OFFICE DISTRICT, RIGHT? YES.

UM, SO UNDER OUR CURRENT ZONING TODAY FOR AN OM OFFICE DISTRICT, A R AND D USE IS ALLOWED YES.

BY, RIGHT? YES.

BUT UNDER THIS CURRENT ZONING, EXISTING ZONING THAT THEY HAVE, IT DOES NOT, IT DID NOT INCLUDE THAT.

'CAUSE IT HAD SPECIAL CONDITIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS A MODIFICATION FOR A USE THAT IS ALREADY PERMITTED UNDER THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

DISTRICT DISTINCT FROM ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE DISTRICT.

AND AS FAR AS, UM, IN STAFF'S OPINION, R AND D VERSUS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT.

SO INDUSTRIAL DOESN'T HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION, BUT IT HAS A LIST OF ALLOWED USES.

SO COMPARED TO COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE, UH, THOSE INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES INCLUDE WAREHOUSING, MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION, ARE THOSE MAIN COMPONENTS AS, UM, THAT MAKE A MANU THAT MAKE AN INDUSTRIAL

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SO YEAH, FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WITHIN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN OFFICE.

LEMME SEE HERE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED EITHER TONIGHT OR DURING YOUR LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WHEN YOU'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS THAT MAYBE NOT, NOT THAT I RECALL.

AFTER, AFTER LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS TONIGHT, MAYBE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER ADDING THAT YOU DIDN'T BEFORE OR MR. CHAIRMAN? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I'M LOOKING BACK AT MARGOT, SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD.

WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN, UM, RAISED WITH US OR CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED WITH US.

AND AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL DETAILS, UM, UH, ON THE LANDSCAPING, UH, YOU DID SAY THAT YOU WERE AGREEABLE TO THE NELLY STEVENS? YES, WE ARE.

UH, ON THE WEST SIDE, IT, AGAIN, THE AGREEMENT IS LET'S GET A PROFESSIONAL YEAH.

INSTEAD OF US KIND OF SPIT BALLING, LET'S GET A PROFESSIONAL TO EVALUATE IT.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE AMENABLE TO MAXIMUM SCREENING TO, TO MAKE IT, UH, MAKE IT LOOK GOOD AND SCREEN IT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

OH, I'M SORRY.

DO YOU HAVE NO, NOT FOR THE APPLICANT.

I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UH, DO YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS KNOW, UM, HOW OM WHAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND CHANGING OM TO INCLUDE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT COME ABOUT? WE'RE NOT SURE, BUT IT HAPPENED IN THE LATE NINETIES, SHORTLY AFTER THIS MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED.

SO IT WAS ABOUT THE TIME THE INDUS INDUSTRY WAS LOOKING INTO MORE HIGH TECH.

I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? I THINK IT WAS ABOUT THE TIME THAT THERE WAS MORE, UH, HIGH TECH AND RESEARCH AND LAB TYPE OF FACILITIES COMING ON BOARD AT THAT TIME IN THE NINETIES.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND AS TO WHEN AND OR AS TO WHY THAT HAPPENED.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR STAFF IS, UM, A POINT WAS RAISED ABOUT, UM, CONTROL.

IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF CONTROL OVER TIME WOULD BE EXERCISE TO, UH, TO ENSURE THAT IT DIDN'T, UH, MORPH INTO SOMETHING ELSE, MORPH INTO SOME, UH, MORE EXPANSIVE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, UH, ACTUALLY MORPH INTO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE CONTROLS AROUND THAT? SO WITH, WITH THE ADOPTION OF THIS, UM, UM, THERE WOULD BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE DEFINITION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT LAYS OUT, UH, WHAT QUALIFIES, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO OCCUR WITHIN THE BUILDING.

UM, IF SOMETHING STARTED HAPPENING OUTSIDE THE BUILDING OR THERE WAS EXTERNAL STORAGE, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD, UH, WOULD PICK UP.

UM, IF THE USE INSIDE THE BUILDING STARTED TO, TO TRANSITION TO ANOTHER USE, UM, THERE ARE FIRE INSPECTIONS, UM, THAT PICK UP ON THAT KIND OF THING.

THERE LIKELY WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILDING PERMITS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPLIED TO TRANSITION TO A MANUFACTURING USE.

UM, THAT WOULD TRIGGER, UH, FLAGS FOR THE CITY FOR US TO, TO REVIEW.

UM, THOSE PERMITS WOULD NOT GET APPROVED.

UH, BUT IF THAT TRIGGERED THEN AN INSPECTION FOR US TO GO IN AND SEE THAT THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING, THAT WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE THAT, THAT WE WOULD HANDLE.

UM, BUT WE ARE, WE WERE IN THE, THE BUILDING, AT LEAST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, UM, MOSTLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN, IN THE BUILDING IF IT STARTED TO, TO MORPH INTO SOMETHING ELSE.

UH, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS CLEAR.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, AS IT STANDS TODAY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO BUILD AN OFFICE OR A BANK OR A HOTEL OR A TELEVISION STUDIO.

ARE THESE, IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN I'M READING, ALL THESE USES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED, THE USES ARE ALLOWED, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A CONCEPT PLAN TIED TO THE APPROVAL.

THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO AMEND THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT THOSE ARE PERMISSIBLE USES.

THAT'S POTENTIALLY FEASIBLE.

BUT THOSE, AND JUST IN TERMS OF

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USE, RIGHT? YES.

BUT THE CONCEPT PLAN, IF THEY WERE TO GET, COME IN AND REQUEST, LET'S SAY WE WANNA DO HOTEL 'CAUSE THAT'S AN ALLOWED USE TODAY, AND THERE WAS AGREEMENT ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT CORRECT.

SO, OKAY.

UM, AND I THINK WE WENT OVER AS FAR AS THE FAR FLOOR AREA RATIOS, UM, THE MAXIMUM IS 40% AND IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM FAR ON TRACK B THREE SHALL BE 60, EXCLUDING PARKING STRUCTURE.

DO YOU KNOW, SEE WHERE I'M SET LOOKING ON EXHIBIT C ONE C MM-HMM .

THAT WAS KEPT IN FROM, UM, CARRIED OVER FROM THE CODE.

AND SO IT, I, IN OUR CHECKS, WE IT MET THAT, BUT WE CAN HAVE THE ARCHITECT VERIFY THAT ALSO, UM, ESPECIALLY BEFORE GOING TO TO COUNSEL IN CASE THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT ON THAT.

BUT THAT, UM, BUT YEAH, WE HAD INITIALLY LOOKED AT THAT AND THEN CARRIED IT OVER FROM, FROM THE ORDINANCE.

SO THEY, I MEAN, THE POINT IS THEY DO COMPLY WITH THAT FAR AT 0.6 TO ONE.

AND THEN AT THE LAST, WHEN WE HEARD THIS LAST ON DECEMBER OR OCTOBER, I'M SORRY, UH, I HAD IN MY NOTES THAT THE, A STANDARD OFFICE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS 0.75 TO ONE IN THIS FOR THIS ZONING.

SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY LESS DENSE THAN CORRECT.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.

THE, THE CODE HAD 0.75 AND THEN THEY, THEIR, WHAT'S IN THE, THEIR EXHIBIT IS WHAT THEY'RE MEETING, WHICH IS THEY'RE PROPOSING A, A LOWER INTENSITY OR A LOWER FAR.

BUT THEN THERE IS THE ISSUE OF THE HEIGHT BEING BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE TO THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, WHICH IS LIMITED TO 25 FEET.

AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR 36.

AND I THINK THEY'VE, IN MY OPINION, THEY'VE DONE SOME THINGS TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN WITH THE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UM, AND ALSO MAKING THE LOADING DOCKS, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR LOADING DOCKS FOR THE MOST PART.

THAT'S RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT'S STAFF? OKAY.

UH, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I SECOND THE MOTION SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, WELL, I, LOOK, I THINK IT'S, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY AND, UH, SPEND A COUPLE OF MONTHS WORKING ON THIS.

UM, IT'S NICE TO SEE SOME CHANGES, UM, FROM THE LAST TIME, UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, I, I, I HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY, I, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE WEST SIDE RESIDENTS, UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I MADE A COMMENT AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT, UH, I FELT HAVING THE, UH, METAL TUBULAR FENCE AND, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, WITH THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN, YOU KNOW, HAVING LIKE A MASONRY WALL RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.

UM, SOUNDS LIKE EVEN THOUGH THE, THE WEST SIDE MAY HAVE NOT BEEN IN TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THAT AT LEAST THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT COULD BE PLANTED THERE WITH THE NELLY STEVENS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.

I KNOW ON THE NORTH SIDE RESIDENCE, BOTH, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, UH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK OUT AND YOUR VIEW IS OVER A PARKING LOT, AND NOW THAT'S GONNA GET BLOCKED, UH, BY A BUILDING.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE RIGHTS THERE.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT IN THEIR CON CONCEPT PLAN TODAY, BUT IT COULD BE THEORETICALLY, IT COULD BE SOMETHING BUILT THERE.

UM,

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BUT I, YOU KNOW, KNOW I'M LIKE YOU, I, I REALLY WOULDN'T WANNA LOOK ON THAT IF I, IF I LIVED THERE .

SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION WITH THAT.

UM, SO, UH, THOSE ARE MY GENERAL COMMENTS, BUT, SO I, I, UH, COMMISSIONER OR CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS IF I CAN.

YEP, SURE.

UH, SO, UM, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC, UH, IS ONE THING.

AND, UH, JUST DOING A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT RESEARCH, UH, WE SEEM TO BE HAVING, UH, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OTHER CASES, WE'VE HEARD, WE GET ABOUT 120,000 NEW RESIDENTS IN DALLAS EVERY YEAR.

AND SO TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM OVERALL.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MUCH NEGATIVELY IMPACT TRAFFIC AS JUST THE OVERALL GROWTH IN THE, IN THE AREA.

GENERALLY, I THINK TRAFFIC IS GROWING ALL OVER THE DFW METRO PLAQUE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S MY COMMENT RELATED TO THAT.

UM, AS FAR AS NOISE GOES, UM, I THINK, UH, LENNOX HAS TAKEN A LOT OF STEPS TO, UH, AND WE'LL TAKE A LOT OF STEPS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, THE BUILDING PLAN THAT THEY, UH, AGREED TO WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL THAT TO MITIGATE NOISE WITH THE, UM, GREEN GREENERY AND, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN, UH, UM, BOTANISTS, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALS TO, TO MITIGATE THAT.

SO I THINK, UH, UH, AS WELL AS WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE DOCKS, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT'S BEEN DONE TO, UH, MITIGATE THE NOISE.

AND, UM, I DEFINITELY COMMEND COMMEND LENNOX FOR, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE DELAY, THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE TO, UH, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO ANSWER ALL THE CONCERNS.

UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THE RESIDENTS PROPERTY VALUES WILL TAKE A HIT.

I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T ESCAPE THE FACT, EVEN IF IT'S, UH, A RESEARCH R AND D, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY A, UM, COMMERCIAL FACILITY RIGHT CLOSE TO WHAT'S PROBABLY A HUNDRED, 150 HOMES.

AND I THINK THAT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES WILL TAKE A HIT.

AND SO I LOOK AT THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.

I LOOK AT THAT, UH, COMPARED TO LENNOX, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, UM, A STANDARD BARRIER IN THE HVAC INDICES.

I THINK LENNOX HAS, I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE DESIRE TO GET ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES IN SAME PHYSICAL PROXIMITY, BUT I THINK LENNOX HAS THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL AND THE ABILITY TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN.

AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, UM, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS.

UM, I JUST CAN'T SEE WHERE THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHO SPENT, YOU KNOW, IN MANY CASES, BUYING YOUR HOME IS YOUR BIGGEST INVESTMENT AS AN INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A TOUGH DECISION, I JUST CAN'T SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, AGREEING TO THE RESIDENTS TAKING THAT HIT.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

WELL, I'M JUST GONNA, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST , REACT TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, SO, UM, IF IT, AND I, I, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL VALUES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, THIS HAS AN IMPACT ON LINUX, UH, WHICH MAY BE EVEN GREATER IN TERMS OF DOLLARS.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THERE, IF NOT FIRST, PRETTY CLOSE TO IT.

SO THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CHANGED OVER TIME WITH THE ADDITION OF ALL THE RESIDENTIAL, THE RESIDENTIAL CAME LAST.

AND THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE, WERE, HAVE BEEN THERE THE LONGEST AND WE'RE THERE TO BEGIN WITH IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE, BUT, UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ONE, IT'S

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ONE OR THE SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE DAMAGED, ONE OR THE OTHER.

AND IF, IF IT WAS A HOTEL OR IF IT WAS ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER PERMITTED USE, UH, THERE, I, I THINK YOU'D HAVE KIND OF THE SAME ARGUMENT WITH THE RESIDENCES IN TERMS OF THEM BEING IMPACTED ON THE VALUE BECAUSE OF THE NOISE OR THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE VIEW, THE VIEW BEING CHANGED AND NO LONGER THERE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I COME BACK TO, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S, IT'S ONE, UH, PARTY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS SORT OF VERSUS ANOTHER PARTY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS.

EXACTLY.

AND, AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT IS YEAH, WEIGHING THOSE OUT, , ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S DIFFICULT.

SO, AND IF I CAN RESPOND TO SURE.

YOUR COMMENTS, UM, SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN, EITHER THE RESIDENTS WILL TAKE A FINANCIAL HIT OR LENNOX WILL.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO.

AND, UH, WE'VE, IN OTHER CASES WE'VE SEEN HERE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP MULTI-FAMILY NEXT TO RESIDENCES, UH, DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMON, YOU KNOW, OPINION IS IN SOME CASES IT INCREASES PROPERTY VALUES OF THE RESIDENTS.

UM, I THINK ALSO IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THINK IN TERMS OF MAYBE A HOTEL OR, YOU KNOW, UM, ANOTHER OFFICE BUS BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS JUST ANECDOTAL, THIS IS NATE'S OPINION, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS WOULD TAKE SUCH A FINANCIAL HIT.

BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S RESEARCH.

I THINK YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT THERE IS A RESEARCH FACILITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SEMI-TRUCK COMING AND GOING NOTWITHSTANDING ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLING THE HOURS, ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I HEARD EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

I STILL GO BACK TO MY, UH, MY STATEMENT, WHICH IS I BELIEVE THAT, UM, LINUX HAS THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL AND THE ABILITY TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE RESIDENTS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BEAT THE HORSE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I COME UP, COMMISSIONER CASTILLO REGARDING THAT.

UM, I'D, I'D GET EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE APPLICANT'S FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL IS.

I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES IS, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS SPACE? UM, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF THE DESIGN CONCEPT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR WAS NOT QUITE SO TIGHT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS BY RIGHT.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE ONLY REAL ASK YOU HAVE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

UH, IF YOU HAD A, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOWER, HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK? DOES, DO THEY HAVE TRUCKS COMING IN? IF THEY'VE GOT A CAFETERIA, THEY HAVE A CISCO COMING IN EVERY DAY.

SO YOU HAVE, THIS ACTIVITY IS ASSOCIATED WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT GOES AWAY.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY FIND THAT VERY, UM, COMPELLING BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T CARE WHO'S APPLYING.

I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY'VE INVESTED.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THEY HAVE, UH, THIS FACILITY HERE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THEIR FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL.

I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS MAKES SENSE FOR THIS SPACE.

I DON'T HAVE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT REJECTING AN APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE MONEY.

I HAVE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE DECISION I MADE ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND I THINK JUST BECAUSE IT IS A, UH, IF, IF THE DESIGN CONCEPT HADN'T BEEN SO TIGHT PREVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD PRETTY MUCH BE ALL BY.

RIGHT? I FIND THAT, UM, VERY HARD TO DENY THEM IN THAT SCENARIO.

COMMISSIONER BONAC, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR YOU WANT YOU READY FOR US TO MAKE A MOTION? NOTHING TO ADD.

UM, I'D MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ZONING FILE 24 21 AS PRESENTED.

I SECOND THE MOTION.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE

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YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED PASSES THREE TO ONE.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS IN OPPOSITION, GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.