Jan 06, 2025 City Council

AND THAT INCLUDED MS. JUSTICE.

ALL IN FAVOR, ALL TAKEN CARE OF.

THAT'S A UNANIMOUS THANK YOU.

WE SAW HER HAND GO UP.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM.

MR. MAGNER.

I THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WE ARE NOT IN RECEIPT OF ANY, UH, CARDS IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE, BUT I AM AWARE, UH, OF AT LEAST ONE SPEAKER FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I'LL READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, SPEAKERS, AND THEN WE'LL ASK MS. BROWN IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE AUDIENCE.

UH, SO DURING THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING, 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

IF YOU'RE HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED.

IF THERE'S TIME LEFT DURING THIS INITIAL 30 MINUTES UNALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE RAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITORS FORUM, I'M OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY.

IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS REACHED, THEN SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITOR'S FORUM SCHEDULED.

AT THE END OF THE MEETING, ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THEY RECEIVED.

WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS.

WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY.

SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION.

SPEAKERS SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.

OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER.

THE TEXAS OPEN MEDIANS ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS OF POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER.

AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE CITY COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE.

AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING.

MS. BROWN, IS THERE ANYONE, UH, WHO HAS SUBMITTED A COMMENT CARD? I HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD.

IS THAT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? IT'S, YES.

SO WE'LL WAIT FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING, MAYOR.

NUMBER FIVE, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE NOW GO TO ITEM

[5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN ]

MR. MAGNER.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, EXCITED TONIGHT AS WE, UH, KICK OFF 2025 WITH AN ACTIVE AGENDA TO, UH, WELCOME BACK, UM, SCOTT, PASTOR AND ALLISON AKERS FROM BURNS AND MCDONALD.

ALSO WITH US TONIGHT IS, UH, ERIC ROBESON, OUR DIRECTOR OF, UH, PUBLIC SERVICES.

AND, UH, JOSE FIGARO, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES.

UH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT BRIEFING TONIGHT THAT, UH, I THINK ALLISON IS GONNA LEAD FOR US.

UM, WE ARE NEARING THE END OF THE COMPLETION OF THE MASTER PLAN.

UH, WE ARE BUILDING ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY, UH, TO, UH, FURTHER REFINE, UM, SOME, UH, POLICY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU AS WELL AS SOME OPERATION ENHANCEMENT CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THEN PUT, UM, SOME FUNDING STRATEGIES, UH, AND, UH, FUNDING REQUIREMENTS TO THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AT

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THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING TONIGHT IS CONCURRENCE, UH, WITH THE STEPS THAT WE, UH, PROPOSE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN, UH, UM, ALLISON AND SCOTT WILL, UH, TAKE THAT INFORMATION BACK, UH, COMPLETE THE, UH, MASTER PLAN, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BE, UH, WORKING TO IMPLEMENT THAT IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE COMING, UH, YEARS AND, AND, UH, IN THE FUTURE.

SO, UH, ALLISON, THANKS, UH, FOR, UH, TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS.

AND, UH, WE'LL ASK YOU TO KIND OF, UH, JUST, UH, PRESENT FROM THE PODIUM THERE.

OR SCOTT, ARE YOU GONNA KICK IT OFF? OKAY, SCOTT, I APOLOGIZE, SCOTT, I'LL KICK IT OFF THEN.

GOOD EVENING, MA.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AGAIN, SCOTT PASTOR WITH, WITH BURNS AND MCDONALD.

SO WE ARE, UM, HAVE MADE A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROGRESS OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO IN COMMUNICATING WITH YOU ALL, AND, AND VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU TO BUILD ON, UH, SOME OF THE, THE KEY DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH YOU ALL TOWARD THE END OF, OF 2024.

SO, AS, AS CITY MANAGER JUST MENTIONED, UH, TONIGHT, WE WANT TO, UH, FIRST WALK YOU THROUGH THE, THE OVERALL PLANNING PROCESS.

UH, THE GOOD NEWS THERE IS WE ARE, UH, JUST ABOUT AT, AT THE VERY END, UM, OF, OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS.

AND THEN WE WANNA SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION IS.

AND THEN, UM, I WILL BE TURNING THINGS OVER TO ALLISON TO WALK US THROUGH KIND OF THE, THE, REALLY, THE, THE HEART OF THE, OF THE DISCUSSION, WHICH IS TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE KEY SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AS FAR AS THOSE THAT HAVE, UH, OPERATIONAL DECISIONS WITH, WITH FISCAL IMPACTS.

AND THEN SHE'S GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO ME TO, TO WRAP UP ON JUST A COUPLE OF THE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN I'LL CLOSE OUT THE PRESENTATION TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE LONGER TERM RECOMMENDATIONS AS, AS WELL AS NEXT STEPS, UH, FOR THIS PLANNING PROCESS.

SO IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL, UH, PLANNING PROCESS, THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT WE'VE BEEN SHOWING TO COUNCIL, UH, FROM WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TO VISIT WITH YOU ALL IN DECEMBER OF, OF 2023.

SO, UH, WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR EVALUATION OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM, UH, HAVE, UH, ALSO DEVELOPED A, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND, AND OPTIONS FOR THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION, HELD MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS WITH, WITH CITY STAFF, AS WELL AS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL, AND THEN ARE HERE TONIGHT AS WE REALLY LOOK TO MOVE TO THE STEPS TO FINALIZE THIS SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN.

SO WE'RE REALLY HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S CIRCLED IN THE FAR FAR BOX OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH IS THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION AND AND FUNDING PLAN.

SO IN TERMS OF THE, THE PURPOSE OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE WANNA SHARE WITH YOU ALL, UH, A NUMBER OF THOSE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, WE ALSO REC RECOGNIZE THAT OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS, IS SUBJECT TO COUNSEL'S APPROVAL, UM, AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE PLAN.

UH, BUT ALSO TO KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE, ARE SIMPLY RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT, THAT THIS IS ANY TYPE OF A FORMAL AGREEMENT TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AS THOSE WILL BE SUBMITTED LATER, UH, THROUGH NORMAL, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, FUNDING AND APPROVAL PROCESSES.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TURN THINGS OVER TO ALLISON TO TALK THROUGH THE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

SO, AS SCOTT SAID, WE'LL, UM, START OFF BY TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS.

OH, SORRY.

UM, AND SO THOSE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE OPERATIONAL DECISIONS WITH FISCAL IMPACTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL.

SO THOSE OPERATIONAL DECISIONS WITH FISCAL IMPACTS INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND RECYCLING COLLECTION, BAIC RECYCLING, DROP OFF LOCATION AND COMMERCIAL TRASH TRASH COLLECTION.

WHILE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO DO WITH MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL RECYCLING COLLECTION AND CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION DEBRIS COLLECTION.

AND SO ALL OF THESE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, PARTICULARLY THE OPERATIONAL DECISIONS WITH FISCAL IMPACTS ARE PRESENTED IN A SIMILAR FASHION.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE SCREEN, WE PRESENT THEM BY SHOWING FIRST THE PHASE, THEN WHAT THE ACTUAL OPERATIONAL ENHANCEMENT IS, THEN THE FINANCIAL IMPACT AND THE TIMEFRAME.

SO TWO IMPORTANT NOTES IS ALL OF THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS, WHETHER THEY'RE IN 2025 OR BEYOND, THEY'RE ALL IN 2020 $5.

AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE POINT OF COMPARISON.

SO, UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT NO INFLATION RATES HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO THESE NUMBERS.

UM, ANOTHER THING TO NOTE IS FOR ALL OF THE PHASES, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OR FURTHER PHASES ARE ALL IN 2026 OR THE SAME YEAR.

REALLY, WHAT THE DIFFERENT PHASES EMPHASIZE IS JUST THE PROGRESSION OF THESE VARIOUS, UM, ENHANCEMENTS.

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AND SO WHY ARE ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS NEEDED? UM, SO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A CONSISTENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND ALSO HAVE THAT 20% INDIC INDUSTRY STANDARD RESERVE, UM, IT WAS FOUND THAT 23 BAIC PERSONNEL ARE NEEDED.

SO OUR FIRST, UM, RECOMMENDED ENHANCEMENT HAS TO DO WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND RECYCLING COLLECTION.

SO IN PHASE ONE, IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE RECYCLING SUPERVISOR ARE ALTERED SO THAT THEY, NO, THEY NO LONGER INCLUDE BOTH RECYCLING AND BAIC.

UM, AND THAT FINANCIAL IMPACT IS $0 PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH.

AND, UM, THAT WOULD OCCUR IN FISCAL YEAR 2026.

THE IMPROVED EFFICIENCY GAINED FROM THAT, UM, ENHANCEMENT WOULD THEN ALLOW YOU TO LEAD INTO PHASE TWO WHERE RESIDENTIAL ROUTES WOULD BE RESIZED SO THAT RECYCLING CREWS AND TRASH CREWS WOULD WORK THE SAME NUMBER OF HOURS PER WEEK.

AND THE SAME NUMBER OF, UM, SET OUTS WOULD BE COLLECTED PER DAY.

NOW, WITH THIS RESIZING OF ROUTES, UM, THERE WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN ROUTES.

UM, HOWEVER, THERE WOULD STILL BE A, A NEED FOR REAR LOAD WORKERS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S RELIANCE ON TEMPORARY LABOR.

AND SO PHASE THREE WOULD THEN BE REPLACING SOME OF THOSE TEMPORARY PERSONNEL WITH FIVE, UM, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES, UM, OR SOLID WASTE LOADERS AND SEVEN RECYCLING LOADERS.

AND SO OVERALL, THESE ENHANCEMENTS WOULD REALLY GIVE THE, UM, DEPARTMENT, UM, BETTER CONTROL OF SAFETY AND COLLECTION STANDARDS AND ALSO IMPROVE THE EQUITY OF THE TASK INCENTIVE SYSTEM.

AND OVERALL, UM, THE TOTAL FISCAL IMPACT OF BOTH PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE WOULD BE ABOUT 42 CENTS PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH.

AND THEY WOULD ALL OCCUR BETWEEN 2026 TO 2029.

AND SO WHY DO ROUTES NEED TO BE RESIZED? IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH IN THE INEQUITIES BETWEEN THE HOURS WORKED.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE GRAPH THAT, UM, THE TRASH AND RECYCLING CREWS, THE DAILY HOURS WORKED VERY QUITE, UM, GREATLY.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN UNEVEN NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS COLLECTED FROM PER DAY.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT MORE HOUSEHOLDS ARE COLLECTED FROM ON TUESDAY AND FRIDAY THAN ON MONDAY AND THURSDAY.

SO WHY SHOULD TEMPORARY WORKERS BE REPLACED WITH FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS? SO THE CITY RELIES UPON TEMPORARY LABOR TO COMPENSATE FOR THE NORMAL DAILY LOSS DUE TO VACATION, SICK WORKERS' COMP, UM, AND MORE.

UM, AND ALSO JUST A LACK OF FILLED, UM, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT, UM, POSITIONS.

THE INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICE IS TO HAVE A 20% STAFF RESERVE.

UM, HOWEVER, THE CITY, INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT 20% STAFF RESERVE IS RELYING ON THAT TEMPORARY LABOR.

AND SO IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, THE CITY REDUCE ITS RELIANCE ON TEMPORARY LABOR, UM, NOT ONLY TO ALIGN WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS, BUT ALSO JUST TO GIVE THE CITY GREATER CONTROL OVER SAFETY AND COLLECTION STANDARDS.

SO THEN WE MOVE INTO THE RECOMMENDED ENHANCEMENTS FOR BAIC.

SO PHASE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDED ENHANCEMENTS WOULD OCCUR IN 2026, AND IT WOULD INCLUDE INCREASING THE MAXIMUM WINDOW OF TIME TO THREE DAYS BETWEEN A BABIC REQUEST IN COLLECTION, UM, WHICH WOULD BE A FISCAL IMPACT OF $0 PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH, INCREASING EDUCATION AND OUTREACH ON WHAT MATERIAL WARRANTS A BAIC REQUEST, UM, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 8 CENTS PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH.

AND APPOINTING A BAIC SPECIFIC SUPERVISOR AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE WOULD, WE RECOMMEND ALTERING THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE RECYCLING SUPERVISOR.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT NEED FOR THAT BABIC SPECIFIC SUPERVISOR WOULD COME IN.

AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE INTO PHASE TWO, UM, WHICH WOULD MOSTLY BE MONITORING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE PRIOR ENHANCEMENTS, UM, TO DETERMINE THE PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT NEEDS.

BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE EXPLORING ADDING UP TO THREE, UM, FULL-TIME HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS, ONE FULL-TIME DRIVER LOADER AND EIGHT FULL-TIME LOADERS, UM, AND PURCHASING ONE PICKUP TRUCK FOR THE SUPERVISOR, ONE KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCK AND TWO REAR LOAD TRUCKS.

AND THIS WOULD OCCUR BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND 2029 WITH A MAXIMUM TOTAL FISCAL IMPACT OF $2 AND 28 UM, CENTS PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH.

AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE INTO PHASE THREE, WHICH WOULD OCCUR IN FISCAL YEAR 2029.

UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE MONITORING OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PREVIOUS ENHANCEMENTS.

AND SO IF IT'S FOUND THAT MORE, UM, EMPLOYEES AND TRUCKS ARE NEEDED, THAT WOULD OCCUR IN THAT PHASE THREE.

SO WHY DOES THE WINDOW OF TIME BETWEEN A BAIC REQUEST AND COLLECTION NEED TO INCREASE? SO IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, A BAIC UM, REQUEST CAN BE, UM, MADE UP UNTIL MIDNIGHT THE DAY BEFORE COLLECTION DAY.

AND SO INCREASING THAT WINDOW WOULD REALLY JUST IMPROVE THE PLANNING CAPABILITIES AND HELP, UM, BAIC STAFF NOT HAVE TO WORK ON WEEKENDS TO REALLY PLAN FOR COLLECTIONS ON MONDAY.

CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION ON THAT? OF COURSE.

WHEN YOU SAY THREE DAYS, IS THAT CALENDAR DAYS OR BUSINESS DAYS? CALENDAR DAYS.

CALENDAR, OKAY.

YES, NO PROBLEM.

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AND THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS 11 OUT OF 23 OR 48% OF THE REQUIRED BAIC COLLECTION STAFF.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UM, THOSE 12 ADDITIONAL, UM, EMPLOYEES.

AND SO WHY ARE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES NEEDED ADDITIONAL REAR LOAD AND KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCKS ARE NEEDED IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BACKUP VEHICLES, REDUCE THE OPERATIONS RELIANCE ON OTHER DIVISIONS, UM, AND ALSO PROVIDE A CONSISTENT LEVEL OF SERVICE DURING PEAK DEMAND PERIODS.

AND AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE RESERVE FOR STAFF, HAVING BACKUP VEHICLES IS ALSO INDUSTRY STANDARD, UM, BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY REDUCES THE STRAIN ON THE DEPARTMENT WHEN FRONTLINE VEHICLES ARE BEING SERVICED OR JUST UNABLE TO BE USED.

AND SO NOW WE MOVE ON TO THE RECOMMENDED ENHANCEMENTS FOR THE RECYCLING DROP-OFF LOCATION.

IN PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE IN 2025, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT STAFF THAT, UM, THE CITY WOULD STAFF THE RECYCLING DROP-OFF LOCATION TO COLLECT DATA ON USERS AND MATERIALS USING EXISTING RESOURCES.

THIS MIGHT INCLUDE, UM, THOSE ON WORKERS' COMP, UM, DOING LIGHT DUTY AND THE DATA COLLECTED WOULD REALLY JUST BE, UM, PINPOINTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRIMARY ISSUES ARE.

UM, AND SO IN PHASE TWO, UM, THAT DATA WOULD THEN BE USED TO INFORM THE LONG-TERM DECISIONS FOR THE DROP OFF LOCATION.

HOWEVER, IF THE DATA IN INDICATED THAT THERE WAS, UH, IMMEDIATE NEED FOR SECURITY MEASURES, UM, SECURITY CAMERAS COULD BE INSTALLED IN PHASE TWO TO DETER THAT ILLEGAL DUMPING AT A PHYSICAL IMPACT OF ABOUT 2 CENTS PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH, AND THAT WOULD OCCUR IN 2026.

THEN MOVING ON TO PHASE THREE, WHICH IS SOME OF THESE LONGER TERM, UM, DECISIONS.

SO THERE'S AN OPTION REALLY TO EITHER PERMANENTLY CLOSE THE RECYCLING DROP OFF LOCATION AND DECIDE TO OPEN A NEW CENTRALLY LOCATED DROP OFF LOCATION, OPEN MULTIPLE SMALL DROP-OFF LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, OR INCREASE RECYCLING ACCESS THROUGH OTHER MEANS, OR THE CITY COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE RECYCLING DROP-OFF LOCATION.

UM, AND ALL OF THOSE FISCAL IMPACTS ARE YET TO BE DETERMINED, UM, AND THAT WOULD OCCUR FOLLOWING 2026.

AND OUR FINAL RECOMMENDED ENHANCEMENT HAS TO DO WITH COMMERCIAL COLLECTION.

WHERE IN PHASE ONE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND ESTABLISHING A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ANALYST POSITION TO ALLEVIATE THE RESPONSIBILITIES FROM OTHER STAFF, UM, SUCH AS COMMERCIAL BILLING AND ALSO HIRING ONE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATOR TO REDUCE THE NEED FOR OVERTIME.

NOW, COMMERCIAL IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN RESIDENTIAL WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT RATES.

AND SO, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE FISCAL IMPACT FOR THE MOST POPULAR CUSTOMER TYPE, AND THAT'S AN EIGHT CUBIC YARD CONTAINER WITH ONE PER WEEK COLLECTION.

AND SO THE FISCAL IMPACT FOR ESTABLISHING THAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ANALYST WOULD BE ABOUT $2 AND 1 CENT PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH.

AND THAT FISCAL IMPACT FOR THE ONE HEO WOULD BE ABOUT $0 PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH BECAUSE IT WOULD REDUCE SO MUCH OVERTIME, AND THAT WOULD OCCUR IN FISCAL YEAR 2026.

AND THEN THE IMPROVED EFFICIENCY GAIN FROM THESE TWO ENHANCEMENTS WOULD THEN LEAD YOU INTO PHASE TWO, WHERE THEN THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ANALYSTS WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO HELP CUSTOMERS RIGHT SIZE THE SERVICE AND INCREASE EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, AND RIGHT SIZING MAY LEAD TO ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES OR REVENUE CAPTURE.

AND SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO PINPOINT EXACTLY WHAT THE FISCAL IMPACT WOULD BE, UM, BUT THAT WOULD OCCUR IN FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND 2027.

SO WHY IS AN ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT NEEDED? THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS 11 OUT OF 12 OR 92% OF THE REQUIRED COMMERCIAL COLLECTION STAFF TO HAVE THAT INDUSTRY INDUSTRY STANDARD.

20% RESERVE COMMERCIAL COLLECTION CREWS, UM, WORK A TOTAL OF 1,561 HOURS OF OVERTIME IN 2023, WHICH IS EQUAL TO ABOUT 75% OF A FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT.

UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL HOURS WORKED ON SATURDAY ARE CONSIDERED OVERTIME.

AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, OF OVERTIME BEING CHARGED.

UM, BUT THIS ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT COULD HAVE A, UM, WORK WEEK FROM TUESDAY TO SATURDAY TO AGAIN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, UM, OVER TIME.

BUT OVERALL, IT WOULD REALLY JUST ALLOW FOR MORE BALANCED ROUTES AND WORKLOAD.

AND SO WHY IS A BUSINESS ANALYST NEEDED? UM, SO THE CITY DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A DEDICATED POSITION FOR THE FOLLOWING

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FUNCTIONS.

SO COMMERCIAL BILLING, WHICH INCLUDES CUSTOMER SUPPORT, REPORT CREATION, REVENUE ANALYSIS, QUALITY ASSURANCE, AND ARREARS IDENTIFICATION.

UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, NO DEDICATED POSITION FOR PERMITTED HAULER AND CONTRACT MANAGEMENT OR SCHEDULE MANAGEMENT.

AND SO A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ANALYST WOULD REALLY ALLEVIATE THE RESPONSIBILITIES FROM DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP WHO ARE ALREADY TAKING ON THESE RESPONSIBILITIES AND ALLOW THEM TO FOCUS GREATER ON OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND INITIATIVES.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL IMPACT OF OPERATIONAL DECISIONS, AGAIN, IT'S BROKEN OUT BY THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RATE OF OUR COST OF SERVICE, AND THEN THE COST OF SERVICE FOR THAT EIGHT CUBIC YARD CONTAINER WITH ONCE PER WEEK COLLECTION.

UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT BASELINE COST OF SERVICE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE CALCULATED, UM, HAS, UM, INFLATION FACTORED IN.

AND AGAIN, THAT ADJUSTED COST OF SERVICE HAS THOSE FISCAL IMPACTS FACTORED IN WITHOUT INFLATION.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SLIGHT INCREASES.

UM, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THEN NOTE THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 2025, YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED, UM, THAT THERE'S A SLIGHT DECREASE IN THE ADJUSTED COST OF SERVICE AND THIS HAS TO DO, UM, WITH THE PHASING OUT OF OLDER VEHICLES, UM, AND ALSO SHIFTING ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

AND NOW I'LL THROW IT BACK TO SCOTT BEFORE I MOVE, MOVE AHEAD TO THIS, TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST TO STAY ON THE ONE THAT ALLISON WAS JUST PRESENTING.

SO THAT THIS SLIDE IS, AS SHE MENTIONED, IS COMMUNICATING THE FISCAL IMPACTS THAT COMPARES WHAT WE HAD EVALUATED IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE, THE BASELINE OR, OR THE STATUS QUO.

AND THEN WE COMPARED THAT AGAINST THE ADJUSTED COST TO SERVICE FOR BOTH YOUR SINGLE FAMILY AND, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.

AND I THINK THE POINT THAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT THESE ARE THE COSTS.

AND WHAT ALLISON WAS WALKING THROUGH ARE ALL OF THE, THE PROGRAMMATIC ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO MAKE IN ORDER TO HAVE AN EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM FOR YOUR, YOUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES.

SO THIS HAS BEEN A VERY OPERATIONALLY FOCUSED SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN.

AND THEN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE REALLY GONNA SET THE CITY UP FOR SUCCESS GOING FORWARD BASED ON THE TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE THINK ARE NEEDED, UH, TO DO SO BASED ON YOUR, FOR THE MOST PART, THE MANNER IN WHICH THE SERVICES ARE PRESENTLY PROVIDED.

UH, WE DID HAVE A A COUPLE OF OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO INCLUDE IN, IN THE PLAN.

AND SO THESE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE MANNER IN WHICH, UH, RECYCLING SERVICES ARE PROVIDED TO YOUR MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL, UH, BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS POINTED OUT AS A REALLY IMPORTANT TOPIC VERY, VERY EARLY ON IN, IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, ESPECIALLY IN COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE MANNER IN WHICH, UH, C AND D, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION MATERIALS ARE SERVICED, UH, FROM, FROM ENTITIES WITHIN THE CITY.

SO IN, IN BOTH CASES, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY GO THROUGH A, A PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND CALL IT AN RFP PROCESS, WHERE YOU WOULD ASK FOR PROPOSALS, UH, FROM COMPANIES TO SERVICE, UH, BUSINESSES AND MULTIFAMILY, EXCUSE ME, APARTMENTS, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, UH, ON AN EXCLUSIVE BASIS.

SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU WOULD CONTRACT WITH, UH, EITHER ONE OR MORE COMPANIES, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT SERVICE.

UM, AND IT COULD BE THE, THE SAME COMPANY THAT WOULD OFFER THAT, THAT SERVICE FOR RECYCLING, UH, AS WELL AS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION, OR IT COULD BE TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES, WHICH WHICHEVER WOULD BE TO THE MORE STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE OF THE CITY.

UH, WE DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES, UM, ON THE CONTENT ON THIS SLIDE, BUT THERE ARE SOME SUBTLE DIFFERENCES.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS WHERE IT SAYS TO PROVIDE MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL RECYCLING ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS THROUGH AN EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE, WHEN WE USE THE TERM VOLUNTARY THERE, WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT AS A BUSINESS OR A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX HERE IN RICHARDSON, YOU WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, UH, TO GET RECYCLING SERVICE.

BUT IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT RECYCLING SERVICE, IT WOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH THAT, THAT EXCLUSIVE SERVICE PROVIDER.

AND THEN ON THE, ON THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION SIDE, IT'S SIMILAR IN THAT, UH, THE SERVICES WOULD BE, UH, PROVIDED VIA AN EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE, UH, BUT IT, IT WOULD NOT BE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE, IF YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE C AND D MATERIALS COLLECTED, UH, IT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THAT EXCLUSIVE SERVICE

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PROVIDER.

AND THEN, EXCUSE ME, BOTH OF THOSE SYSTEMS WOULD REPLACE YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS A VOLUNTARY LICENSED HAUL TYPE SYSTEM.

AND THEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS, UH, AND BENEFITS FOR THESE CHANGES, UH, SUCH AS HAVING, UH, GREATER CONTROL, UM, AND OVERSIGHT OF, OF CONTRACT MANAGEMENT.

UH, BUT THEN THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF OTHER REASONS WHY CITIES, UH, MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION.

UH, BY GOING THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, UH, YOU GET THE, THE PURCHASING POWER OF AN ENTIRE CITY.

SO THAT WILL FREQUENTLY RESULT IN MORE COMPETITIVE PRICING.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO FEWER TRUCKS ON, ON CITY STREETS.

SO THAT HAS BENEFITS FROM AWARE AND TERROR PERSPECTIVE ON, ON YOUR STREETS, AND THEN ALSO CAN HELP IN IMPROVE SAFETY, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY AS AS WELL.

SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU A, AN OVERVIEW OF, OF WHAT A, A TYPICAL SOLID WASTE PROCUREMENT PROCESS WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND SO WON'T GO THROUGH EACH, EACH OF THESE BOXES, UH, IN DETAIL.

BUT, BUT LOOKING AT THIS FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, UH, THE FIRST EFFORT IS, IS TO DEVELOP YOUR APPROACH FOR THE PROCUREMENT IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT YOUR STRATEGY IS GOING TO BE.

AND THEN COMES THE, THE EFFORT TO DEVELOP THE PROCUREMENT DOCUMENTS, UH, THEN PROVIDING, UH, AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR VENDORS TO SUBMIT THEIR PROPOSALS, AND THEN CONDUCTING TECHNICAL AND FINANCIAL REVIEWS OF THOSE SUBMITTALS, UH, TO THEN ULTIMATELY, UH, PRESENT A, AN AWARD, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATION TO, TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND THEN YOU WOULD MOVE AHEAD WITH THE TRANSITION AND IMPLEMENTATION STAGES.

WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS, IS TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE LONG-TERM RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WHERE ALLISON WAS, WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, MORE SHORT-TERM RECOMMENDATIONS.

ONE OF THE KEY ONES IS REALLY TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, BUT WITH SOME, SOME KEY ENHANCEMENTS.

AND SO WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING AT THIS POINT, UH, ANY TYPE OF A CHANGE, UH, TO CARTS.

BUT WE THINK SINCE THIS IS A, A LONG TERM 20 YEAR PLANNING EFFORT, WE THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE DISCUSSION IN THE PLAN ABOUT COULD THERE EVER BE A, A, A REASON FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER A FUTURE TRANSITION TO CART.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT BEING RECOMMENDED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS IN THE CITY'S INTEREST TO AT LEAST INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION IN, IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.

UH, THERE COULD BE A, A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY IT COULD BE MORE AND MORE CHALLENGING IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO CONTINUE, UH, SERVICE AS IS.

THAT'S NOT PRESENTLY THE CASE, BUT, BUT IN THE FUTURE, THERE COULD BE CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE IS, IS ABOUT EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS, JUST TO GO BACK AND, AND REVISIT THAT ISSUE TO SEE IS THERE A NEED TO, TO LOOK AT A POTENTIAL CHANGE IN IN YOUR SYSTEM? AND WE THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND IS, IS BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE IN TERMS OF DIFFICULTIES, IN TERMS OF RETAINING WORKERS.

UH, YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS COULD CHANGE, AND THEN ALSO, UH, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE CHANGES IN THE WAY IN WHICH RECYCLABLES HAVE TO BE COLLECTED IN THE FUTURE.

SO NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE COLLECTED IN THE, IN THE BAGS, UH, BUT IF YOU WOULD EVER HAVE A RECYCLING, UH, FACILITY THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THOSE BAGS, THAT COULD, UH, REQUIRE A CHANGE TO MOVE TO MORE OF A CART BASED SYSTEM.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE DONE THIS TYPE OF A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS THAT HAS COME OUT THIS WAY, AND IT'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE HERE IN RICHARDSON AND CUSTOMIZING THE ANALYSIS.

UH, BUT I THINK IT'S, I IMPORTANT TO TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, UH, WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE, THE STATUS QUO WITH THE ENHANCEMENTS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE AT A SLIGHTLY LOWER COST THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE TO GO TO EITHER ONCE A WEEK, UH, TRASH AND RECYCLING, UH, WITH CARTS, UH, AS WELL AS THE, THE TWICE A WEEK TRASH AND ONCE A WEEK RECYCLING FROM CARTS.

SO, YOU KNOW WHERE THERE WAS THAT, THAT QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT COULD YOU POTENTIALLY SAVE MONEY BY GOING TO A CART BASE SYSTEM, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE HERE IN PLACE IN RICHARDSON FROM A COLLECTION PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL AS THE ADDED EFFORTS WITH SERVICING VIA CARTS, UH, THE, THE MORE COST EFFECTIVE APPROACH FOR NOW IS TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.

BUT WITH THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ALLISON WALKED US THROUGH A FEW MOMENTS AGO, UH, THESE, THESE LONG-TERM RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THE SAME AS ONES THAT WE PRESENTED DURING OUR LAST MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO THOSE INCLUDE MAINTAINING

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YOUR LONG-TERM SUCCESSFUL RELATIONSHIPS FOR SERVICES LIKE LANDFILLS AND, AND TRANSFER STATIONS, HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE AND RECYCLING PROCESSING.

UM, IT'S LISTED AS A, AS A LONG-TERM RECOMMENDATION, BUT THERE WILL BE A NEED TO, UH, EXAMINE YOUR, UH, OPTIONS FOR RECITE, EXCUSE ME, FOR ORGANICS PROCESSING, UM, AS THAT AGREEMENT DOES EXPIRE NEXT YEAR, UH, WITH, WITH TEXAS PURE PRODUCTS, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF OF PLANO.

SO IN TERMS OF THE, THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE PLANNING PROCESS, UH, WE ARE ARE COLLABORATING WITH CITY STAFF TO DEVELOP A PRELIMINARY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

SO THIS IS A, A SCHEMATIC OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.

THERE'LL BE MORE DETAIL IN IN THE PLAN ITSELF, BUT, UH, THIS ESSENTIALLY RESTATES A NUMBER OF THE, THE PROGRAMS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT ALLISON WALKED THROUGH WITH YOU AND, AND, AND A COUPLE THAT I HIGHLIGHTED AS WELL.

AND THEN JUST SHOWS WHAT THE TIMING WOULD BE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR IMPLEMENTATION.

SO OUR, OUR NEXT STEPS ARE, ARE TONIGHT TO REQUEST ANY FEEDBACK AND ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, UH, AND THEN TO CONFIRM THESE KEY POLICY DIRECTIONS.

AND THEN, UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH CITY STAFF TO DEVELOP THE, THE, THE PLAN ITSELF.

UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING PROVIDING OUR FINAL DRAFT, UH, TO THE CITY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, AND THEN HOPEFULLY TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL, UH, SOMETIME, UH, HOPEFULLY TOWARD THE END OF JANUARY.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR US.

SCOTT, EXCUSE ME, ALLISON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UH, WE'LL START WITH MR. DORIAN.

QUESTIONS, SCOTT.

IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION AND, AND Y'ALL PUT A LOT OF, UH, EFFORT AND ORGANIZATIONAL, UM, TOOLS IN THE, UH, SORT OF THE OUTCOME OF HOPEFULLY, UH, THE LONG AND AND SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE SHORT TERM.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A HEAVIER PICKUP LOAD ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS, AND I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MONDAY AND THURSDAY.

IS, IS THAT, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BORDERS ARE, ARE DRAWN TO WHERE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, HOUSEHOLDS, OR IS THAT BASED ON HOW MUCH, UH, DEBRIS OR, OR, OR TRASH AND GARBAGE PICKUP PER THAT AREA? I MEAN, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU REF, HOW DO YOU, UH, REFERENCE THAT MM-HMM .

UM, IN QUANTITY? BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT, I THINK ONE OF 'EM SAID LIKE 4 89, AND SO, SORRY, WHEN YOU SAY THE, IS THIS, THIS IS THE RIGHT SLIDE, RIGHT? WHEN YOU, UH, NO, THERE'S ANOTHER SLIDE.

I'LL GET TO IT HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

UM, BUT I, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION OF WHAT DRIVES THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS CAN BE SERVICED PER DAY.

UM, IS IS DEFINITELY A FUNCTION OF, UH, TRYING TO CREATE AS MUCH BALANCE AS YOU CAN IN TERMS OF THE, THE NUMBER OF, OF CUSTOMERS PER DAY, BUT THEN FACTORS SUCH AS WHERE THAT, THAT AREA OF THE CITY IS RELATIVE TO THE FACILITIES THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE THE MATERIAL TO CAN ALSO VARY, UH, FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT.

AND I, I KIND OF FIGURED THAT, I MEAN, RIGHT.

I FOUND IT'S ON PAGE 11, IT'S MONDAY IS 4 0 8 THURSDAY'S 360 9 VERSUS 4 99, 3 87.

I MEAN, THEY'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF MM-HMM .

HOW THAT NUMBER WAS DERIVED.

JUST YEAH, IF ANYONE, DOES IT KNOW THAT, JUST LIKE, IS IT BASED ON A BORDER OR LITERALLY HOW MUCH TRASH COMES FROM? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION.

OF ALL OF THAT.

WE, WE BUILD OUT A, A CUSTOMIZED, WHAT WE CALL A TIME AND MOTION MODEL TO WHERE WE JUST TRACK KEY PARTS OF, OF THE DAY FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF COLLECTION OPERATIONS, BE IT BA TRASH RECYCLING, AND THEN WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH TIME DOES IT TAKE TO GO FROM THE CITY'S YARD TO WHATEVER AREA OF THE CITY WHERE THEY NEED TO START THEIR ROUTES.

UM, AND THEN ONCE THE TRUCKS ARE ARE FULL, THEN HOW MUCH TIME DOES IT TAKE TO THEN GO TO EACH OF THE RESPECTIVE PROCESSING FACILITIES, BE IT A TRANSFER STATION OR A RECYCLING FACILITY? AND SO BY BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, WE CAN THEN LOOK AT HOW MANY, UH, CUSTOMERS PER DAY, UH, IS EACH, EACH CREW ABLE TO SERVICE.

AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION I CAN CLARIFY TOO, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN MM-HMM .

SO THE SLIDE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE ACTUALLY BAIT COLLECTIONS.

SO THESE ARE THE, FOR MONDAY, TUESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, THESE ARE THE AVERAGE COLLECTIONS THAT ARE CALLED IN.

THEN OUR PEAK DAY CALL IN.

SO OUR BAIT SERVICES ON A CALL-IN BASIS MM-HMM .

SO THIS IS SHOWING JUST KIND OF AN AVERAGE CALL IN AND

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SO THIS IS MORE DRESSING KIND OF THE, THE MIDNIGHT CALL IN CUTOFF VERSUS LIKE A THREE DAY CUTOFF.

SO, SO THAT'S WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE.

THEY'RE JUST ACTUAL BAD ACCOUNTS FOR THOSE DAYS.

GOOD.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON HOW THOSE WERE ACCUMULATED.

UM, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, YOU MENTIONED ON THE VOLUNTARY VERSUS THE FRANCHISE FOR COLLECTING CONSTRUCTION AND DEBRIS IS JUST TO BE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AS WELL, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THE CITY STILL CONTINUES TO PROVIDE AS A SERVICE? OR IS THAT FRANCHISE DIRECTED TO OUTSOURCING THAT AND THE RESIDENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? IS THAT STILL GONNA REMAIN VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW, IS, IS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE DEFINITION OF VOLUNTARY VERSUS THE FRANCHISE UMHMM PORTION OF THAT, RIGHT? JUST TO BE SURE.

I MEAN, OR IS IT CHANGING FROM WHAT WE HAVE NOW? 'CAUSE WE CAN CALL IN MM-HMM .

FOR DEBRIS AND SOME CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

RIGHT? SO, SO THIS IS MORE SO FOR THAT MATERIAL THAT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE COLLECTED BY SAY, THE BOCK PROGRAM AS, AND MORE SO MATERIAL THAT IS A PART OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF A PROGRAM LIKE FOR A REMODEL OR, RIGHT.

OR JUST A, A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION, UH, BUSINESS OPERATION AS WELL.

IF YOU HAVE A BIG COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT, THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED FOR THE, THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION MATERIAL THAT NEEDS TO BE HAULED AWAY AS PART OF THAT PROJECT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE.

UM, MY LAST QUESTION IS, CURTIS, COULD, COULD I FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT? SURE.

ON YOUR QUESTION ON THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I HISTORICALLY HAVE ALWAYS HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE, UM, LARGER CONTRACTORS IS THAT IN MANY CASES THEY HAVE A LARGE NATIONAL CONTRACT WITH A CONSTRUCTION DEMOLITION DEBRIS HAULER.

UM, AND SO I'M, I'M REALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE, THE COST VERSUS THE BENEFIT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SEEN AS A VERY BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENTITY AND I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD WANT TO GO TO THIS AND CREATE A LAYER OF OVERSIGHT CONTROL THAT WE NOW HAVE TO MANAGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

I'M NOT SURE I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOUR ARGUMENT AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT BENEFIT THAT WOULD BRING TO THE CITY.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I HEARD THAT ENOUGH TO OFFSET THE POTENTIAL PRETTY NEGATIVE RESPONSE THAT WE WOULD GET FROM CONTRACTORS ACROSS THE REGION WHO COME AND DO MAJOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN OUR, IN OUR CITY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONSISTENTLY HEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT OUR PLANNING, DESIGN, INSPECTION DEPARTMENT IS VERY, VERY, MY WORDS USER FRIENDLY THAT WE'RE SEEING VERY POSITIVELY IN THAT LIGHT.

TO ME, THIS WOULD BE A STEP BACKWARDS.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF DOING THAT AND, AND RUNNING THE, RUNNING THE CONCERN OF HAVING THAT, THAT NEGATIVITY COME BACK TO US AS A CITY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING, DON? SO BA AND, AND TO YOUR POINT TOO, I, AGAIN, UH, THEY WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF US PUTTING MATERIALS BEING PUT OUT FOR COLLECTION AND THE CITY PROVIDES THAT SERVICE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING CONSIDERED TO OUTSOURCE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT? WELL, WHAT, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT NOW, SO IF, IF AS AN EXAMPLE, IF, IF, IF DORIAN BARR HAS A REMODELING PROJECT AND IT'S A LARGE PROJECT AND YOU CONTRACT WITH, LET'S SAY, REPUBLIC TO COME AND DO THAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, IS YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT OPTION.

OR GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR BUILDER WOULD GENERALLY ORDER WHATEVER CONTAINER THEY WANT RIGHT? FOR THE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.

AS AN ENTITY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE WHOEVER WAS THE LICENSED HAULER THAT WAS IN CONTRACT WITH EX WITH A CITY.

'CAUSE IT WOULD BE AN EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE.

AND SO EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO USE THAT ONE HAULER.

AND I JUST HAVE REAL CONCERNS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE PERCEIVED AS A REAL NEGATIVE AMONG ALL OF THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND AROUND THE CITY THAT COME IN AND DO WORK HERE.

AND ESPECIALLY THE LARGER ONES.

I KNOW THEY HAVE VERY LARGE CONTRACTS WHERE THEY GET A VERY, VERY FAVORABLE RATE MM-HMM .

UM, AND AGAIN, SO YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE UP, YOU KNOW, DRIVE UP CONSTRUCTION, PRO CONSTRUCTION COSTS POTENTIALLY AND STIFLE POTENTIALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVER SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR THAT THERE WAS SOME COMPELLING ARGUMENT AS TO WHY WE NEEDED TO MOVE TOWARDS THAT.

I, I AGREE COMPLETELY ON THE TOP AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE, UM, THE UM, RECYCLING ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE OVERARCHING REASON THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT.

SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO THAT WAS MY POINT TOO, TO TRY TO GET CLARIFICATION BETWEEN THE VOLUNTARY VERSUS THE FRANCHISE AND, AND WHAT KIND OF LEAN, LEAN WAY DO WE HAVE THERE.

'CAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING TO THE POINT, WHEN YOU ARE DOING A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, THE CONTRACTOR

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TO PICK UP AND HAUL OFF THE DEBRIS.

HOWEVER MANY TIMES IN THIS CASE, IF I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THAT OUT, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST AND WE WOULD HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ONE A FRANCHISEE.

AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO USE THAT F SAY IT'S REPUBLIC OR, OR WHOMEVER.

I JUST USE THIS THEM AS AN EXAMPLE.

FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, THEN WE WOULD BE, UH, OBLIGATED THE HOMEOWNER OR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO USE THAT ONE VENDOR, RIGHT.

THAT, SO WE WOULD BE AT THE MERCY OF THEIR PRICE POINT OR WHATEVER PRICE POINT THAT IS.

YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE AT, AT THE MERCY OF THEIR PRICE POINT 'CAUSE YOU WOULD'VE GONE THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, UH, IN WHICH MULTIPLE COMPANIES, AND THIS IS A VERY COMPETITIVE MARKET, UH, FOR C AND D HAULING.

AND SO TO, I THINK YOUR POINT IS, IS DEFINITELY A VERY IMPORTANT ONE.

UM, AND, AND THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF THESE, THESE TYPES OF PROCUREMENTS WHERE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT THOSE, UH, PER RFPS OUT ON THE STREET, YOU ASK FOR, FOR THE PRICING BACK AT THAT POINT, UH, THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPARE HOW DOES THAT PRICING COMPARE AGAINST, UH, WHAT INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES OR, OR EVEN LARGER, UH, COMPANIES ARE ABLE TO GET TO SEE IS THERE A FINANCIAL BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO, TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THAT.

AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT COULD THEN BE PRESENTED BACK TO, TO CITY COUNCIL UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY GO FORWARD WITH THE RFP.

YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT PROCESS IS, IS GOING TO TURN OUT.

BUT IF YOU CAN, UH, PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN HAVE THIS, THIS ENTIRE MARKET, UH, FOR, UH, C AND D HAULING, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY ENTICING TO A NUMBER OF THE COMPANIES THAT OPERATE IN THIS AREA.

AND SO I I THINK IT, IT VERY WELL COULD BE THE CASE THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE PRICING THAT IS AS COMPETITIVE, IF NOT MORE SO THAN WHAT THEY MAY HAVE IN SOME OF THOSE NATIONAL CONTRACTS.

SO, UH, DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SCOTT JUST SAID.

SO LET ME TAKE ONE STEP BACK THOUGH.

SO, UM, YOU MAY RECALL BACK IN IN DANGEROUS HERE WITH THE YEAR, BUT IT WAS EITHER 2015 OR 2016 WHEN WE HAD TO RE WE HAD TO RENEGOTIATE, UM, OUR SOLID WASTE SERVICES CONTRACT WITH THE NORTEX AND MISSILE WATER DISTRICT.

THEY REQUIRED, UH, IN THE NEW CONTRACT THAT ALL C AND D MATERIAL BE DELIVERED TO THE MELISSA LANDFILL.

THAT'S WHEN PRIOR TO THAT CONTRACT BEING UPDATED, WE DI WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A REQUIRED LICENSE HAULER SYSTEM.

WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE THAT PROVISION IN THE, UH, WATER DIS IN THE, EXCUSE ME, IN THE SOLID SERVICES CONTRACT, UM, THAT HAULERS, UM, REGISTER WITH THE CITY, SOME HAULERS ABIDE BY THE RULES AND COME IN AND REGISTER AND THEREFORE WE CAN KIND OF KEEP TRACK WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THERE ARE A LOT, PARTICULARLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UM, THAT ARE DOING SMALL JOBS THAT COME IN, THEY'RE HERE AND GONE BEFORE WE EVEN KNOW.

AND SO THIS, THE MAIN BENEFIT, UH, COUNCILMAN, THE MAIN BENEFIT TO A, UM, A C AND D UM, EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE, UH, WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO MONITOR AND WE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE COMPANY WAS FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS THAT CONTRACTUALLY WE'RE OBLIGATED, UM, TO, UM, TO, TO KIND OF ABIDE BY BECAUSE OF THE UPDATED CONTRACT.

UM, I AGREE WITH SCOTT AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO THIS, THIS IS SIMPLY, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS SIMPLY TO GO EXPLORE THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF AN EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS.

WE COULD DO THAT AND KIND OF COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW, BUT THE PRICE IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT AND WE DO WANNA REMAIN VERY PRO-BUSINESS AND WE WANNA MAKE IT EASY TO DO BUSINESS HERE.

OUR THINKING WAS WITH AN EXCLUSIVE HAULER, WE WOULD HAVE A HIGHER, UH, PROBABILITY OR A A, A BETTER CHANCE OF ENSURING THAT OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION IS FULFILLED, UM, THAN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WHAT, EIGHT TO 10 LICENSED HAULERS.

EVEN EVEN WITH THAT MANY HAULERS, IT'S HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR, THEIR, THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR LICENSE UP, THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, ABIDING BY TAKING IT TO MELISSA.

UH, 'CAUSE THEY CAN BE IN THE CITY AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE STICKER ON THE SIDE OF THEIR VEHICLE.

BUT UNLESS SOMEBODY IS ACTUALLY TRACKING THAT TO MELISSA, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH IT AFTER.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE WA IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE WATER DISTRICT IS MINDFUL OF AND SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE COULD HELP US BE MORE COMPLIANT WITH.

THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN BENEFIT.

I I DIDN'T HEAR THAT EARLIER.

DISTRICT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MYQ MANAGING THIS THING, YOU KNOW, WHY WE WANNA TAKE MORE LOAD TO OUR SPLIT, YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T YOU KNOW IF THE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, IF THE INDIVIDUALS THEY'RE PAYING FOR ALL THOSE THING MM-HMM.

SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT SENSE SPIN ON IT.

CAN I FOLLOW THE QUESTION WITH THAT? UH, I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND, BUT I DID NOT , NOW YOU KNOW WHY EVEN WE HAVE THAT CONTRACT WITH THAT

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THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING FOR THOSE THEMSELVES.

THEN WHY WE WANT TO IMPOSE THEM WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHAT, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR, THEY SHOULD, WE COULD GIVE THEM THEM AN OPTION THAT, OKAY, THIS IS THE ONE LICENSE PROVIDER THAT WE HAVE ON THE LIST, BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE YOURS IF YOU GET SOMETHING CHEAPER THAN THAT, OR IF YOU WANNA PAY MORE, THAT'S WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY YOUR CHOICE, BUT GIVE THEM A CHOICE AND THEY CAN DO SOMETHING AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION OR WHY EVEN THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY THEY HAVE TO EVEN, UH, TAKE IT TO MELISSA, WHY THEY CAN GO SOME OTHER PLACES.

UM, AGAIN, BACK IN 1516 WHEN, UH, THE EXISTING SOLID WASTE SERVICES CONTRACT CAME UP FOR RENEWAL, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE WATER DISTRICT INSISTED BE INCLUDED.

UM, AND IT WAS THE CITY, IT WAS THE FIVE MEMBER CITIES, RICHARDSON, PLANO, FRISCO, ALLEN, UM, AND UM, AND MCKINNEY, UM, THAT, UM, THAT AGREED, UM, TO THAT PROVISION BEING INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT.

UM, NOW THE QUESTION MIGHT I, IF I'M INTERPRETING YOUR QUESTION RIGHT, IS WHY WOULD THE WATER DISTRICT WANT TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION DEBRIS WAS BEING BROUGHT THERE? IT'S BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS MOST PROFITABLE FOR THEM.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS LIKE, AND IT HELPS, IT HELPS, IT HELPS OFFSET THE OVERALL COSTS OF RUNNING THE LANDFILL, WHICH THEREFORE RESULTS IN LESS PER TON CHARGES TO THE MEMBER CITIES AND THEREFORE WE CAN PASS THOSE THAT SAVINGS ONTO THE, TO THE CITIZENS.

I, I DO UNDERSTAND, BUT STILL I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IF CITY PROVIDE THAT, THAT SERVICE TO THE BUSINESS OR RESIDENT WITH CITY SERVICE PROVIDER, YOU CAN MAKE SURE YES, WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THERE.

BUT IF, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO HAVE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I HIRE CAR IAN TO, YOU KNOW, REMODEL MY HOUSE AND HE'S GONNA BE TAKING ALL THOSE DEBRIS AND HE CAN, THIS IS MY DEGREE, RIGHT? EITHER I CAN, I CAN PAY SOMEONE TO TAKE MY DEBRIS OR SOMEBODY TAKES IT WITH, WITH PAYMENT TO ME FOR RECYCLING OR THEY WOULD TAKE SOME OTHER PLACES.

SO WHAT, HOW CITY CAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN SIGN A CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT FROM THAT PERSON MM-HMM .

UH, FROM THAT PROPERTY TO YOUR PLACE.

HOW CAN WE EVEN SIGN A CONTRACT LIKE THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WITHOUT DISCUSSING, WITHOUT NOT, WITHOUT DISCUSSING, THAT'S THE WRONG WORD, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMIT OURSELF THAT WE WILL BE DELIVERING ALL THE DEBRIS FROM OUR CITY REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE MM-HMM .

TO YOUR PLACE.

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IT? SO IF ARE, IF IS YOUR QUESTION, IF YOU AS A HOMEOWNER WANTED TO DISPOSE OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION AND DEMO OR, OR DEMOLITION DEBRIS ON YOUR OWN AND NOT TAKE IT DEMOLITION, CAN YOU DO THAT? NOT, YEAH.

NOT TAKING TO THAT ONE SPECIFIC PLACE.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER PLACES WE CAN, UM, THEY COULD, IF, IF A HOMEOWNER DID THAT, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY THAT WE COULD TRACK THAT.

IF, IF A HOMEOWNER HIRES A CONTRACTOR, THEN THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT CONTRACTOR MUST USE ONE OF TODAY MUST USE ONE OF THE, UM, LICENSED HAULERS TO DISPOSE OF THEIR DEMOLITION AND DEBRIS.

AND THAT CONTRACTOR, WHEN HE, WHEN THEY BECOME A LICENSED CONTRACTOR, THEY AGREE TO TAKE THAT TO MELISSA.

SO NOW IF WE FOLLOW ALL THESE, THEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MAY SOUNDS SHORT TERM THAT, OKAY, THIS IS GOOD FOR THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT LONG, LONG TERM THIS BECOME MONOPOLIES, THIS BECOMES LIKE MORE EXPENSIVE EVENTUALLY.

UH, BECAUSE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LESS WE CAN GET INVOLVED WITH, WITH THE, THE SYSTEM MM-HMM .

PRETTY MUCH LET THINGS HAPPEN NATURALLY, BUT MONITOR CERTAIN THINGS.

SO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY OPTION.

I MEAN MY, MY OPINION, UH, THE LESS WE CAN DO, THE BETTER FOR US ANYWAY.

UH, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION ON, UM, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON MM-HMM.

ANYTHING, MR. MAYOR? WELL, I WAS TRYING TO KEEP US ON THAT TOPIC.

ARE WE, ARE YOU THROUGH KEN? YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M I'LL YOU, THANK YOU, DON.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND SO WE NEED TO DO THAT.

LET ME COME BACK TO YOU.

I THINK MS. JUSTICE WAS READY TO TALK.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

YEAH, JUST ON THAT LAST POINT, UH, THAT'S NOT WHY I RAISED MY HAND, BUT MR. MAGNER, IF I WAS UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, THAT POINTS A LITTLE BIT ACADEMIC, RIGHT? IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU, OUR CONTRACT WITH THE DISTRICT REQUIRES US TO, TO, TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE AND WE'VE NOT DONE THAT.

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IS, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU ORIGINALLY SAYING? UM, PARTIALLY WHAT I'M SAYING IS OUR CONTRACT DOES REQUIRE, OUR CONTRACT WITH THE DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE THAT WE CREATE A PROCESS TO WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION DEBRIS THAT'S GENERATED IN THE CITY WILL BE DELIVERED TO THE MELISSA LANDFILL.

THE WAY WE DID THAT, UM, WHEN THAT NEW CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, WE ADOPTED THIS LICENSED HAUL SYSTEM.

UM, WE HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE EIGHT TO 10 DIFFERENT HAULERS THAT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE WITHIN THE SYSTEM.

THE PROBLEM IS COMPLIANCE AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN GO VISIT, UH, CONSTRUCTION SITES, MAKE SURE THAT THE HAULER IS, UH, LICENSED FIRST OF ALL, OR, OR THAT THEIR LICENSE IS VALID AND AS SOON AS THEY LEAVE TO GO DUMP THAT DEBRIS, WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE TO COMPLY TO TO CONFIRM COMPLIANCE THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT.

WE BELIEVE, WHAT I WAS TRYING, THE, THE POINT I WAS MAKING WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER IS WE BELIEVE WITH A, UM, EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE PROVIDER, THAT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO DO AND THEY WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE MOTIVATION, UH, TO COMPLY BECAUSE THEY WANNA KEEP THAT EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE WITH THIS.

AND SO, UM, WE DO, WE ARE REQUIRED, SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, ARE REQUIRED BY CONTRACT WITH THE DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE C AND D IS DELIVERED TO THE LANDFILL.

UH, THERE IN MELISSA, WE CURRENTLY DO THAT THROUGH A LICENSING PROGRAM.

WE, WE WERE SUGGESTING THAT WE MAYBE EVALUATE AN EXCLUSIVE, UM, FRANCHISE AND KIND OF COMPARE AND CONTRAST, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE THE, UH, PREFERRED, UH, APPROACH MOVING FORWARD.

GOT IT.

YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE NO PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE, THE REQUIRED BIDDING AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THE COMPETITIVE NATURE OF THE MARKET WOULD TAKE CARE OF, UM, SOME OF THE COST CONCERNS.

UM, I LIKE THE OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, MARY, YOU WANT ANY COMMENTS ON EVERYTHING NOW OR JUST THAT ONE POINT? NO, YOU GO AHEAD.

I, I LIKE THE OVERALL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS PARTICULARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, I THINK IT'S, UH, GOOD NOT TO, UM, TO, TO PUSH OUT THE DECISION ON BINS, UH, FOR FIVE YEARS.

THE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK ARE A FIVE YEAR LOOKOUT.

AND SO I THINK WE'D WANNA SEE THE ULTIMATE RESULTS OF THOSE BEFORE WE, UH, WERE, WERE TO ADDRESS THE BIN ISSUE AGAIN.

AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.

UH, UH, JUST A QUESTION ON COSTS.

UM, IS THE, THE, THE COST INCREASE THAT WAS ANTICIPATED FROM 25 TO 29, IS THAT A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR PASS THROUGH TO RESIDENTS OR IS SOME OF THAT BEING, UM, ABSORBED IN FUTURE BUDGETS? DO YOU ANTICIPATE? WHICH SLIDE IS THAT? UH, COUNCIL LAUREN, UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT PUT A SUMMARY FROM.

YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK.

SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER.

WRITE IT DOWN.

YEAH, RIGHT.

YEAH, THERE WAS ONE THAT BROKE IT DOWN, I THINK FOR VARIOUS CATEGORIES.

THERE YOU GO.

NOW.

SO JUST A POINT OF CLARIFI, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT, UH, POINT.

SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

THIS IS THE COST OF SERVICE, NOT THE RATE.

SO THIS IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY COST US TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE, RIGHT.

NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CHARGING OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE COST OF SERVICE.

YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I THINK, I ASSUME THE COST WOULD BE GOING UP 'CAUSE OF ALL THE OPERATIONAL CHANGES THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED HERE, THAT'S PART OF IT.

AND THEN THE REMAINDER, UH, OF THE INCREASE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAME DRIVERS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

INFLATION, COST OF LABOR, YOU KNOW, UH, FUEL, UH, EQUIPMENT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO THE ENTIRE INCREASE THAT YOU SEE AND THE ADJUSTED COST OF SERVICE IS NOT JUST ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE ENHANCEMENTS, IT'S THE ENHANCEMENTS PLUS THESE OTHER FACTORS.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA SORT OF WHAT PERCENTAGE IS WHAT ALLISON DO YOU HAVE OR SCOTT? YEAH, SO THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE BASELINE COST OF SERVICE ROW THAT ESSENTIALLY REFLECTS JUST INCREASES DUE TO INCREASES IN THE, THE COST OF, OF LABOR, INCREASES IN THE COST OF, OF EQUIPMENT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

UH, WHEREAS THE ADJUSTED COST OF SERVICE THAT INCORPORATES ALL OF THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ALLISON WALKED THROUGH.

YEAH, I I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS SORT OF LOOKING AT.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN $8 INCREASE IN, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH OVER, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL FOR SOME FOLKS.

'CAUSE THIS IS THE COST PER MONTH, RIGHT? NOT, NOT AN ANNUAL COST.

THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT I THINK WE NEED TO EXPLORE FURTHER, UH, FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT AND, AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON, ON SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS.

AND AS, SO I MEAN WE ALMOST A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER YEAR INCREASE ONCE WE GET INTO FISCAL YEAR 29.

I UNDERSTAND.

WE, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE DECISIONS.

AND I GUESS I WOULD JUST ASK, AS WE ARE LOOKING AT FUTURE BUDGET BUDGETS, WE FIGURE OUT IF THERE ARE WAYS FOR US TO ABSORB SOME OF THAT COST BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A SENIOR OR SOMEONE ON A FIXED INCOME IS GOING TO BE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.

UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I THINK WE, WE NEED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.

I UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED THEM.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE OPERATIONAL CHANGES.

I WOULD JUST, UM, CHALLENGE STAFF TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER FIVE YEARS, FIGURE OUT HOW TO ABSORB HALF THAT COST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND, AND TO OUR BUDGET.

UM, BUT AGAIN, OVERALL, I, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOOD.

I SUPPORT THEM AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME

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YEAH, DEFINITELY A GREAT POINT.

UH, POINT WELL TAKEN.

I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE $40 AND 15 CENTS, UM, MONTHLY COST THERE, THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, THAT WOULD BE IF ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE IMPLEMENTED.

AND A COUPLE OF, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE BAIC, UM, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING ONE OR TWO OF THE THREE, FOR INSTANCE, COULD REALLY, UM, RESULT IN A SITUATION WHERE THE OTHER TWO OR THREE WEREN'T EVEN NECESSARY.

AND SO, UM, VERY GOOD POINT.

WE WOULD, UH, COUNCILMAN WE WOULD HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AS WE GO ABOUT KIND OF, UM, IMPLEMENTING IN, IN, I THINK IN THE EARLY YEARS, DEFINITELY IN THE FASHION THAT WE PRESENTED ON THAT FINAL SLIDE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, YEARS THREE THROUGH FIVE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, DISCUSSION THAT WE'D HAVE WITH ERIC AND, AND JOSE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT ARE SOME OF THE EARLIER ENHANCEMENTS, UH, MAYBE MAKING SOME OF THE LATTER ENHANCEMENTS LESS NECESSARY, COULD WE DELAY 'EM OR MAYBE THEY'RE JUST NOT NEEDED AT, YOU KNOW, ALTOGETHER AND THAT WOULD BRING THAT $40 NUMBER DOWN.

YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE, SENSE.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING LIKE WITHOUT ANY OF THE ENHANCEMENTS, YOU KNOW, $5, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURE.

SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

AND THEN I ALSO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT BINS, UM, REALLY LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM AT THAT POINT AND DETERMINING WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NECESSARY OR DID THESE CHANGES SORT OF, UH, UM, FIX SOME OF THE ISSUES WE WERE EXPERIENCING BEFORE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LET ME UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN STUDY.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ONCE THIS APPROVED, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE APPROVING A BUDGET THAT $40 15 CENTS IN 2029.

SO THIS IS MORE LIKE A GUIDELINE, INDEPENDENT STUDY BY THIRD PARTY.

IT SHOWS THAT IT IS JUST TO HAVE A COMFORT THAT, OKAY, TO DO THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS, IT'LL COST YOU THIS.

IT'S MORE LIKE A GUIDANCE, UNDERSTANDING THAT HOW MUCH WE CAN ADJUST ON THE BUDGET.

SO THIS, THERE MAY BE NO COST ADJUSTMENT, MAYBE ALL GONNA BE CHEAPER THAN THAT, WHO KNOWS? UH, BUT IF WE DO ALL THOSE ENHANCEMENT, ALL THOSE THINGS, THIS IS GONNA BE THERE.

SO THIS IS MORE LIKE A ABSOLUTELY.

A GUIDANCE AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO SEE BEFORE WE WISH SOMETHING WAY TOO MUCH.

UH, YEAH, NO, IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A ROADMAP AT A POINT IN TIME.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT COULD CHANGE THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF OUR TEMPORARY LABOR CONTRACT HAS TO BE RENEWED AND INCREASES BY 25%, THE WHOLE BALANCE OF WHAT A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE COSTS VERSUS WHAT TEMPORARY LABOR COST IS NOW DIFFERENT.

AND THESE CALCULATIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE RERUN AND WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF, OF AT THAT TIME.

AND SO I THINK I DESCRIBE IT AS A ROADMAP AT A POINT IN TIME.

IT'S A VERY VALUABLE TOOL THOUGH, BECAUSE IT GIVES US A DIRECTION.

UM, BUT LIKE ALL OF OUR PLANS, UM, THEY NEED TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT CAN KIND OF, KIND OF IMPACT, UH, THE PLAN.

AND WE JUST NEED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, READY TO ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.

AND, UH, TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE NUMBER CAME FROM A SOURCE WITH LOTS OF FORMULA IN IT.

SO, AND OF COURSE, THE SCOPE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T REALLY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EXPERT.

WE DON'T REALLY GO INDIVIDUALLY CHECK THOSE BIG VARIABLE, ALL THOSE FORMULA.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WISH WE COULD SEE ALL THOSE DETAILS THAT HOW YOU COME UP WITH MAGIC NUMBER $14, 15 CENTS.

I'M GLAD YOU DID NOT PUT FOUR $40, 16, UH, EXACTLY.

SO THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE.

UH, BUT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE, UH, 32.03, UH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE, EVEN NUMBERS, BECAUSE THESE ARE UNCERTAIN NUMBER ANYWAY, SO RIGHT.

GOING SOME, SORRY, NUMBER.

OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES INDICATION THAT, OH, THESE ARE PRECISE NUMBER, UH, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A GUIDELINE.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

WHO'S NEXT? KEN OR JOE? I DON'T REALLY CARE.

GO AHEAD, KEN.

FOR, IN ESSENCE, 10 DAYS.

UM, ONE CON, ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, UM, WAS ON IN REGARDS TO, UH, BAIK.

I UNDERSTAND THAT CALLING IN MIDNIGHT THE NIGHT BEFORE, I UNDERSTAND THE OPERATIONAL ISSUES THERE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I NOTE AS I ALWAYS AM CONSTANTLY DRIVING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IS THAT THE, THE BENEFIT OF THAT IS WE DON'T HAVE ITEMS LEFT ON CURBS FOR 10, 10 DAYS.

AND UNDER WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, WE COULD EASILY HAVE THINGS THAT WOULD BE ON CURBS

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UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I ESPECIALLY WORRY, DO WE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE A BABBITT COLLECTION ON A MONDAY? YES, SIR.

I REALLY WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF, IF MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE LIKE MYSELF, A LOT OF MY STUFF, I, I'M FORTUNATE, MINE COMES ON FRIDAY.

SO A LOT OF THINGS I DO IS OVER THE WEEKEND, GET IT ALL PULLED TOGETHER.

AND THEN, I MEAN, THE MOST, THEN IT SITS OUT ON THE CURB POTENTIALLY IS, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS MAYBE, MAYBE TWO DAYS.

IN MANY CASES I WAIT AND TRY TO GET IT OUT THERE THE NIGHT BEFORE.

BUT I WORRY A LOT THAT IF WE, IF WE, IF WE IMPLEMENT A THREE DAY WINDOW, THAT WE WE'RE GONNA RUN THE RISK OF HAVING THINGS ON CURVES FOR 10 DAYS, OR IT COULD BE, THAT'D BE, IT WOULD BE EVEN LONGER THAN THAT.

IF SOMEONE DID A, IF THEY HAVE BK ON MONDAY, THEY DID SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT AT THEIR HOUSE, PUT IT ON THE CURB AS OF SUNDAY NIGHT, MA DIDN'T DELIVER IT ON THAT MONDAY, WE'VE GOTTA WAIT A FULL WEEK FOR IT TO THEN BE PICKED UP.

SO IS THE THREE DAYS, IS THAT AN, I I'M NOT LOOKING AT YOU, SIR.

I'M LOOKING MORE AT OUR OPERATIONAL PEOPLE.

IS THAT AN ABSOLUTE, I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT THE, THE, THE BEST POINT OF EFFICIENCY? OR COULD WE LOOK AT A 24 HOURS OR 48 HOURS, OR IS THERE SOME OTHER TIMEFRAME THAT WE COULD LOOK AT VERSUS THE THREE DAYS? BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT THE, MY WORDS THAT THE TRASHINESS THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF THINGS SITTING ON THE CURB POTENTIALLY FOR 10 DAYS.

YEAH, FAIR QUESTION.

WE LOOKED AT THE THREE DAYS REALLY FOR THE MONDAY SPECIFIC, BECAUSE IF, IF WE GET A HEAVY VOLUME ON MONDAY AND WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, EITHER THAT OR SOMEBODY COMES IN ON THE WEEKEND TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT OPERATIONAL PREPAREDNESS NEED TO BE, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED ON THE THREE DAYS.

UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I, I THINK, UM, THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED, UM, WOULD BE, WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT.

I THINK IF WE HAD MORE RESOURCES, UM, IT WOULD ALLOW US, AFFORD US MORE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE LESS OF A CALL IN ADVANCED APPROACH BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE RESOURCES TO HANDLE THAT.

UM, THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE NOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE PEAK DEMAND DAYS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE MAY, UM, WE CAN GUESSTIMATE WHAT FRIDAY'S GONNA LOOK LIKE MM-HMM .

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL FRIDAY MORNING.

AND IF THAT NUMBER'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT'S A, IT'S AT OUR CAPACITY AND WE FIND OUT THAT MORNING AND THEN WE HAVE SOME RESOURCES CALL IN, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY KIND OF STRETCHES US THIN AND, AND WE STRUGGLE TO MANAGE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE LANDED AT THAT THREE DAYS TO JUST TRY TO GIVE US AS MUCH ADVANCE NOTICE AS POSSIBLE.

BUT CAN ANY, ANY ADVANCE NOTICE WOULD BE BETTER THAN WE HAVE NOW .

SO NO 24 HOURS AGREE.

I'M JUST, I MEAN, 24 HOURS WOULD, 24 HOURS WOULD BE BETTER THAN WE HAVE NOW, AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PLANNING WORK THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO, TO BE ACCOMPLISHED.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, I MEAN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SAY 24 HOURS WOULD BE SUPERIOR TO, TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, IT MAY NOT ADDRESS THE ONE MONDAY DAY, BUT ALL THE OTHER DAYS IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

AND WE COULD, IF WE HAD AN ADVANCED NOTICE, THEN WE COULD PUT PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, A PERSON THAT WORKS ON A WEEKEND, THEY CAN GET THAT NUMBER ON A SUNDAY AND SEND THAT OUT VIA EMAIL.

SO WE KIND OF HAVE THAT PREPARATION, UH, MORE THAN THREE DAYS.

SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY ANY ADVANCED NOTICE WOULD, WOULD AFFORD US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN WE HAVE NOW.

AND, AND I, I FIRMLY AGREE WITH THE ADVANCED NOTICE, BUT I JUST WORRY THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, START TO, MY WORDS JUNK UP THE CITY BECAUSE IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, HARD AND FAST AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF, IF MY PICKUP IS ON FRIDAY AND I, FOR WHATEVER REASON DON'T CALL IN, WHETHER IT BE BY TUESDAY AND IT'S OUT ON THE CURB AS OF TUESDAY, THEN IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA GO FULL WEEK PLUS THREE DAYS BEFORE IT WOULD BE THEN PICKED UP.

AND I JUST, I JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT FROM A GOOD POINT, FROM AN OVERALL CLEANLINESS STANDPOINT OF THE CITY.

SO YEAH, IF WE COULD, AGAIN, I AGREE A THOUSAND PERCENT OF ADVANCE NOTICE.

I JUST, THE THREE DAYS SEEMED TO KIND OF LONG AND, AND YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD JUST ASK IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS FROM A RECOMMENDATION PERSPECTIVE, WELL, COUNSEL HAVE TO THAT POINT.

AS, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, YOU HAVE, IF DEBRIS IS SITTING OUT THERE ON THE PARKWAY, MOST OF, MOST OF THAT'S GRASS TYPICALLY, THEN YOU'RE ALSO TAKING THAT, THAT OPPORTUNITY, OR NOT OPPORTUNITY, BUT JUST TO SHOW THAT THAT GRASS IS GOING TO BE DEAD, OR AT LEAST, UH, IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

OH, YEAH, YEAH.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT YES, BUT MOST PEOPLE PUT IT OUT THERE, GENERALLY, THEY DON'T PUT SOMETHING ON THE BOTTOM TO COVER IT.

THEY JUST PUT IT OUT THERE AND EXPECT THE CLAUSE TO COME AND, AND GRAB IT.

BUT MONDAY, IF YOU HAVE A MONDAY PICKUP, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BETTER DAYS FOR THE PICKUP.

'CAUSE OTHER, IF YOU DON'T GET TO IT ON MONDAY, GENERALLY YOU GET TO IT ON TUESDAY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, DEPENDING ON, AND THAT'S CALLED IN.

I'D ALSO JUST POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ENHANCEMENTS IS THE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION.

AND SO IF WE DO A BETTER JOB ON OUTREACH AND EDUCATION, WHETHER IT'S 24 HOURS, 48 HOURS, WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE BA WHAT ISN'T, WHAT CAN BE SET WITH REGULAR TRASH COLLECT.

I THINK THAT'LL GO A LOT LONGER, A LOT FARTHER TOO IN OUR EVALUATION.

WHAT MIGHT SAVE US ON SOME OF THOSE COSTS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT AS WELL.

HAPPENED TO ME, IT'S HAPPENED TO MY NEIGHBORS, IT'S HAPPENED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE I TALK ABOUT, WE HAVE THE, UM, I DUNNO WHAT YOU WANNA CALL 'EM, FAMOUS OR INFA INFAMOUS PICKERS THAT GO AROUND.

AND, AND KIND OF A FOLLOW UP TO THAT AS WELL IS AS WE'RE EVALUATING BAIC, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I, AND IT'S

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AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE, SEVERAL TIMES I'VE CALLED SOMETHING IN FOR BAIC, PUT IT OUT THERE ON, YOU KNOW, WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.

AND BY FRIDAY SOMEBODY'S COME BY AND PICKED IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CALL AND SAY, OKAY, NEVERMIND, DON'T COME TO MY HOUSE.

SO I WOULD ALSO ASK IF WE COULD LOOK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THAT ADDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH THE, THE, YOU KNOW, DRIVING BY AND GOING, WELL, IT'S NOT THERE NOW, SO I'M NOT GONNA STOP AND PICK IT.

VERSUS IF I COULD CALL AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, JOE STOPPED BY MY HOUSE AND HE WANTED MY 1974 HARVEST YELLOW, YOU KNOW, WASHER AND, UH, OR WHATEVER.

I'M, I'M JUST GREEN.

YOUR HARVEST GREEN, HARVEST GREEN.

I GUESS IT WAS HARVEST GREEN.

THANK YOU, CURTIS.

ANYWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AS A PART OF THE BABIC SYSTEM.

SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I GET FROM PEOPLE ALL THE TIME IS, HEY, I CALLED, SOMEBODY CAME BY, PICKED IT UP, IT WAS MY OLD, YOU KNOW, CHOKE CHARCOAL BROILER OR WHATEVER, AND SOMEBODY WANTED IT, AND THEY PICKED IT UP AND I FEEL BAD 'CAUSE I SAW THE TRUCK DRIVE BY IT.

THEY STOPPED, THEY LOOKED AND THEN THEY DROVE ON.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK.

OH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHAEL SAID.

I MEAN, I THINK IS A MATTER OF REALLY, UM, A STUDY.

UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WHEN Y'ALL WOULD'VE HAD THE TIME TO DO ALL OF THIS IF WE HADN'T HIRED OUTSIDE PEOPLE TO HELP.

SO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU, UM, GUYS, FOR THE FORESIGHT OF DOING, OF DOING THIS AND BRINGING IN SOME OUTSIDE HELP.

UM, YOU KNOW, TWO THINGS I REALLY APPRECIATE FROM THIS.

ONE IS THE REPLACING THE TEMP WORKERS WITH FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND THE LEVEL OF CONTROL OVER, UH, BOTH THE QUALITY OF THE EMPLOYEE AND THE QUALITY OF SERVICE THAT THAT PROVIDES US.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT WILL HELP JUST WITH COMPLAINTS AND A LOT OF OTHER WORKLOAD TYPE ITEMS. AND THEN ALSO, UH, A REAL RECOMMENDATION TO GET SOME RECYCLING AND MULTIFAMILY, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME.

AND SO I REALLY, REALLY LIKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS RERUNNING CALCULATIONS, I MEAN, JUST SOMETHING TO REMEMBER WHEN WE DO WORK WITH, WITH TEMPORARY OUTSIDE HELP MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS GET ALL THE WORK PAPERS THAT THEY HAVE JUST IN CASE WE HAVE TO RERUN ANYTHING.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE OTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT I FEEL LIKE I I SEE HERE TOO IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD SERVICE DOES, IT DOES COST MONEY UNFORTUNATELY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE NEED THAT QUALITY OF SERVICE WHERE WE CAN RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS QUICKLY.

UM, AND THAT, THAT DOES COST A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.

UH, THE ONE ACTUAL QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU GUYS WAS JUST, IF YOU GUYS COULD RE-EXPLAIN THIS INCENTIVE PERCENTAGE ON SLIDE EIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT IS JUST, I DON'T WANNA BUILD, I DON'T WANT TO BUILD LIKE A WHOLE REROUTE JUST BASED ON, I DON'T KNOW, BASED ON AN INCENTIVE, BUT MAYBE JUST EXPLAIN THAT METRIC TO ME AGAIN.

SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE TOP, TOP TWO ROWS? YES.

IN IN THAT, OR THE, THE FIRST TABLE, THOSE, THOSE TWO ROWS.

SO, SO THIS SHOWS, UM, ON AN HOURS PER DAY, UH, BASED ON A, ON A 10 HOUR DAY, HOW MANY HOURS PER DAY THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE IS WORKING FIRST FOR TRASH AND THEN FOR RECYCLING.

AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT YOUR RECYCLING WORKERS ARE, ARE ALMOST AT 32 HOURS PER WEEK.

THAT'S, THAT'S JUST CALCULATION.

WHEREAS THE, THE TRASH ONES ARE, UM, JUST UNDER 24 HOURS PER WEEK.

AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS TO CREATE MORE BALANCE IN TERMS OF THE, THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT ARE WORK.

SO THAT, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANNA, THERE'S A STRONG PREFERENCE TO WORK TRASH MM-HMM .

OVER RECYCLING ROUTES.

AND SO JUST TRYING TO CREATE MORE OF A BALANCE.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF TRADITIONAL IN, IN A TASK BASED SYSTEM SUCH THAT ONCE YOU FINISH YOUR ROUTE THAN YOU CAN GO HOME SO THAT, UH, EMPLOYEES ARE INCENTIVIZED TO, TO DO THEIR JOB, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A MM-HMM .

A PRETTY CHALLENGING, DIRTY KIND OF JOB.

BUT I THINK YOU ALSO WANT TO CREATE A KIND OF A BALANCE OR AS WELL AS MINIMUM STANDARDS IN TERMS OF HOW MANY HOURS PER DAY AND PER WEEK YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE, ARE WORKING AS WELL.

YEP.

NO, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT INCENTIVE PERCENTAGE, 40.4 AND 20.6 MM-HMM .

THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, BASED ON A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK.

THE WAY, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS EXPLAINED THAT LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE TOO, SO , BUT THANK YOU FOR, I NEEDED, THAT WAS LAST, THAT WAS ALL LAST YEAR.

SO THE, THE 30, THE 31.8 MEANS THAT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY WORKING ALMOST 80% OF THE WORK WEEK.

AND SO 20%, AH, IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY DON'T, THAT THEY'RE NOT WORKING.

WHEREAS ON THE TRASH SIDE, IT'S ROUGHLY A 64.

AND BY

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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WASN'T SOME LITTLE HOURLY BONUS STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING THAT I MISSED THAT I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET'S NOT REWORK THE ROUTES IF WE CAN JUST REWORK WHATEVER THIS INCENTIVE IS.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

EXCUSE ME, I'VE BEEN A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY LISTENING AT HOME AND THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT WITH US TODAY, THAT EVEN AS WE GO TO SET THESE AND WALK THROUGH THESE, EACH ONE OF THESE ARE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER, UM, AS THOSE CHANGES ARE BEING MADE AS WE LOOK FURTHER INTO THE ANALYSIS OF BUDGETS.

AND I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT A, EXCUSE ME, WHEN WE LOOK AT A 25, I THINK IT WAS LIKE A 20% INCREASE OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS OF THE COST PER HOUSEHOLD.

THAT'S A BIG NUMBER TO SWALLOW.

UM, BUT, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT IN THOSE TIGHTER BUDGETS, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT.

UH, SO IN NO MEANS, UH, ACCEPTING, UM, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY, ARE WE AGREEING TO THESE INCREASED COSTS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON SLIDE 16, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I DO THE THIRD BULLET POINT.

ALL HOURS WORKED ON SATURDAY ARE CONSIDERED OVERTIME.

SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON SATURDAY.

I GUESS MAYBE I JUST DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT COMMERCIAL COLLECTION.

SO IF I OWN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, I SCHEDULE MY, YOU KNOW, DUMPSTER TO BE PICKED UP TWICE A WEEK OR THREE TIMES A WEEK OR DAILY.

I KNOW A LOT OF OUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE THE MULTIPLE LARGE, UH, BINS AND THEY PICK, GET PICKED UP DAILY.

CAN I ALSO PAY TO GET PICKED UP ON SATURDAY? LIKE, WHERE DOES SATURDAY COME INTO THIS? I'M NOT SURE, AND I DON'T, I, I AM GUESSING THAT'S OPERATIONS QUESTIONS.

SO ERIC, OR YEAH, I CAN, I CAN HELP.

SO A LOT OF THE SATURDAY COLLECTIONS ARE OF THE RESTAURANTS, THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX, IS THERE THINGS THAT NEED THAT SIX DAY A WEEK COLLECTION? UM, AND SO WE, WE HAVE TO SERVICE THOSE.

THE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE WOULD ALLOW US TO RE INCREASE THE NUMBERS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, BUT THERE WOULD STILL BE A NEED TO HAVE COLLECTION DONE ON SATURDAY.

THE, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IF YOU, IF YOU CAN ADD THAT EMPLOYEE, MAYBE YOU REDUCE SOME OF THAT OVERTIME BY CHANGING THEIR SCHEDULE FROM TUESDAY TO SATURDAY.

UM, BUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A RESTAURANT HOSPITAL, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS THAT SIX DAY OF SERVICE, WE DO OUR BEST TO SCHEDULE IT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

SO IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T BURDEN US FOR THAT OVERTIME, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY A NEED ON THE HIGH DEMAND AREAS TO DO THAT SIX DAY AND WE CAN WORK, WORK THAT SATURDAY.

SO CURRENTLY, IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DAVE WORKS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND THEN WE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SATURDAY, BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, I'D SAY TWO DOZEN RESTAURANTS IN TOWN OR HOSPITALS AND RESTAURANTS AND ALL THAT MIXED IN.

WE HAVE TWO DOZEN PICKUPS ON A SATURDAY.

WE'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, WHO WANTS TO WORK SATURDAY? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING? THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE PAYING OVERTIME BECAUSE THEY'RE NORMALLY OUR MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY GUYS.

AND WE NEED THE STAFF.

YOU'RE SAYING WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO FULFILL THE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY COLLECTIONS CURRENTLY.

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA STAGGER MORE SATURDAY BECAUSE THE SATURDAYS AREN'T REGULAR BASIS, OR THEY REGULAR PICKUP THE REGULAR BASIS, BUT THE VOLUME'S NOT AS HEAVY.

SO IF YOU, IF YOU HAD AN EMPLOYEE THAT WORKED TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, HE'D HAVE A FULL WORKLOAD TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

HE WOULD HAVE A FULL DAY ON SATURDAY, BUT IT WOULD BE AT REGULAR TIME.

VERSUS WHAT WE DO CURRENTLY, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVER COME IN AND PULL THAT SATURDAY ROUTE, WHICH IS AFTER HIS 40 HOUR WEEK.

SO IT'S AN OVERTIME EXPENSE.

AND AND SO YOU'RE SAYING A PERSON, SO COMMERCIAL ROUTES ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL MAY HAVE TWO OR THREE.

SO ONE PERSON, YEAH.

'CAUSE IT'S A FRONT, FRONT END LOAD COLLECTION DRIVER.

IT'S A ROLL OFF COLLECTION DRIVER.

BUT THIS SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROLL OFF, SO YOUR EIGHT YARDS, FOUR YARDS, YOU KNOW, FRONT LOAD CONTAINERS.

ONE PERSON DRIVES THAT TRUCK.

WE HAVE EITHER FIVE OR SIX ROUTES BASED ON THE DAY.

AND THEN SATURDAY IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE ROUTE, BUT IT'S A FULL ROUTE FOR A DRIVER TO HANDLE.

I APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THAT.

THEY GO, WHEN THEY HIT THEIR LIFECYCLE, THEY CAN KIND OF GO INTO A RESERVE STATUS.

THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM YOU, MA'AM? OKAY.

I I HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE PURCHASING OF VEHICLES.

AND ERIC, YOU MAY NEED TO BE THE ONE OR WHOEVER.

WHAT IS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THESE VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE ASKING US THAT WE NEED TO PURCHASE? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PROJECTED OUT AS BOND TYPE PURCHASES OR THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE, IN OUR ROTATION? OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENTLY AS A COUNCIL? I WOULD THINK THE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES WILL SHOOT FOR THE SAME, IT'S ABOUT A SIX TO EIGHT YEAR LIFE.

UH, WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OLDER VEHICLES, SO WE'VE KIND OF MISSED THE WINDOW ON THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

Y'ALL HAVE ACTUALLY APPROVED US TO BUY ADDITIONAL FRONT LOAD VEHICLES AND COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT.

SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF GOT US MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

UM, BUT IDEALLY THAT'S A SIX TO EIGHT YEAR LIFE, AND YOU'RE KIND OF ROTATING THOSE OUT AS THEY HIT THAT LIFECYCLE.

UM, AND THEN WHEN

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AND THAT'S, THAT'S HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE.

UM, BUT OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, WE'VE GOTTEN A REALLY GOOD JOB OF BUYING NEW FRONT LOAD EQUIPMENT, COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, UM, TO GET US KIND OF MORE IN THAT APPROPRIATE LIFECYCLE.

SO IT'S ABOUT A SIX TO EIGHT YEARS LIFECYCLE.

SO THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE SEEN TONIGHT, WE ALREADY HAVE FACTORED IN.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WILL SUSTAIN THIS NEW THOUGHT PROCESS.

NO, ANY NEW VEHICLE WE'D BUY WOULD STAY WITHIN THE SAME LIFE EXPECTANCY PROCESS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY MANAGING.

THE CONSIDERATION WOULD BE DO WE WANT TO HAVE A RATE STRUCTURE IN SUCH THAT WE CAN PURCHASE THE NEW TRUCK AND THAT SORT OF THING AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT NOTHING, NOTHING NEW THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE PREVIOUSLY IN PREVIOUS BUDGETS AND PREVIOUS, UH, VEHICLE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULES.

BUT TYPICALLY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WOULDN'T PASS THE PURCHASING OF NEW VEHICLES ONTO PART OF THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE OUR CUSTOMERS.

IT'S, IT IS, UH, ONE OF SEVERAL FACTORS THAT GO INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION ON, UM, A, A RATE INCREASE ANNUALLY.

UM, UH, MORE RECENTLY IT PROBABLY ISN'T ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT DRIVERS ONLY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, UM, UM, PERSONNEL ISSUES WE'VE HAD AND OTHER INFLATIONARY PRESSURES.

BUT YEAH, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AS WE, UM, BUILD, UM, OUR, UM, OUR BUDGET, UH, THE, THE VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT IS A COMPONENT OF, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE DRIVERS ON THE RATING OF THE FEES.

RIGHT? EXACTLY.

AND THOSE, THOSE AMOUNTS ARE FULLY ACCOUNTED FOR WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.

SOME LED LIGHTING THAT OUTLINES THE, UH, UH, AREAS OF THE THIRD FLOOR THAT OVERHANG THE SECOND FLOOR, JUST TO, TO KIND OF GIVE THEM ILLUSION OF FLOATING OR OUTLINED A LITTLE BIT JUST TO, UH, ENHANCE, UH, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING, UH, AT NIGHT AS WELL.

NO, ONE LAST COMMENT.

AND I, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALLISON AND SCOTT, Y'ALL'S DUE DILIGENCE TO BRING IT, I MEAN, IT'S VERY WIDESPREAD, YOUR THOUGHTS, AND YOU HIT ALMOST EVERYTHING CONCEIVABLE, I WOULD GUESS.

AND I WOULD CHALLENGE STAFF, AND I THINK I HEARD SOME OF THIS SAME FROM OUR COUNCIL, THAT WE LOOK AT MAYBE HYBRIDS OF SOME OF THIS, OR VARIATIONS OF THIS TO SEE WHERE WE COULD TRIM, HOW WE WOULD TRIM.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, AND OUR COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.

AND I KNOW THAT, UH, PUTTING OFF THE CONTAINERS FOR FIVE YEARS IS A GOOD THING.

I'VE HEARD FROM OUR CITIZENS, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT.

SO MAYBE THAT HYBRID LOOK IS, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE COULD KEEP A CONTAINER OR NOT HAVE A CONTAINER, EXCUSE ME, NOT HAVE THE CONTAINERS AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.

AND IT MAY BE THE TYPE OF VEHICLES WE PURCHASE, OR IT MAY BE OTHER THINGS AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES.

BUT THANK YOU.

I, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOTTA SAY.

WITH NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM

[6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS NEW RICHARDSON CITY HALL AND MUNICIPAL CAMPUS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATE ]

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WE'LL, WE WILL REVIEW AND DISCUSS NEW CITY HALL AND MUNICIPAL CAMPUS IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECTS, AND UPDATES THERE WITH MR. MAGNER.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

VERY EXCITED TONIGHT TO BE BRINGING A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU FOR, UH, PROCEEDING, UH, WITH OUR CITY HALL PROJECT.

UH, CHARLES GOFF IS GONNA RUN THROUGH, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A RECAP AND REFRESH ON THE PROJECT ITSELF, AND THEN OUTLINE OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACTOR.

AND I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE NICK, UH, AND SONA, UH, FOR BEING HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

AND THEN WE'LL CONCLUDE WITH JUST AN UPDATED KIND OF SCHEDULE AND PREVIEW OF WHAT, UH, WHAT THE COMMUNITY CAN EXPECT TO SEE THERE AT THE CORNER OF RAPHOE 75, UH, IN THE COMING YEARS.

UH, CHARLES, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

UH, THANKS, DAWN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UH, AS DAWN MENTIONED, WE'RE EXCITED TONIGHT TO BRING YOU AN UPDATE ON THE CITY HALL PROJECT AS WE'RE, UH, FINALIZING THE SELECTION OF OUR CONTRACTOR, UH, AND PREPARING THE FINAL AGREEMENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, NEXT WEEK.

SO, UH, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA DO A QUICK REFRESHER, AS DON MENTIONED OF, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE SITE AND THE BUILDING.

UH, AN UPDATE ON THE CONTRACTOR SELECTION BID RESULTS, UH, REVISIT THE BUDGET, AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL ENHANCEMENTS TO THE PROJECT.

THESE ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

WE'VE INCLUDED THESE IN ALL THE PRESENTATIONS.

I WON'T GO THROUGH 'EM, BUT IF WE GET INTO A DISCUSSION, WE CAN REFERENCE THESE, UH, IF NECESSARY.

UM, THIS IS THE, THE FINAL PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR, UH, TO WHAT, UH, WE SHOWED YOU ALL, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION.

UH, OVER THE SUMMER, THE ONLY KIND OF VERY MINOR, UH, CHANGES OVER ON THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE BACK OF HOUSE, UH, AREA.

THERE'S BEEN SOME MINOR REALIGNMENT, BUT, BUT OVERALL, THE, THE SAME, SAME PRESENTATION OR SAME SAME SITE PLAN.

UM, YOU'LL, UH, RECALL THAT, THAT THESE ARE THE EXTERIOR RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDINGS WITH A, A MIXTURE OF BRICK, UH, LIMESTONE CONCRETE PANELS, UH, AND GLAZING.

UM, AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SHOWED YOU ALL, UH, EARLIER THIS SUMMER, UH, WITH SOME VERY KIND OF MINOR, UH, TWEAKS AND ENHANCEMENTS WITH, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL METAL ACCENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED KIND OF ON THE UPPER, UH, FLOORS OF THE BUILDING JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLOURISH.

AND THEN NOT VISIBLE IN THIS PICTURE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY A WRITTEN RING AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION THAT AT NIGHT, UM, THERE'LL BE

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BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE, THE SAME THAT YOU'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, UM, INSIDE THE BUILDING, THE PROGRAM DIAGRAM REMAINS, UH, UNCHANGED.

UH, THIS IS, UM, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, HAS ALL OF YOUR, YOUR CUSTOMER FACING, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND, AND ACTIVITIES WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL OFFICE BUILDINGS OR OFFICE SPACE ON THE, UH, SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.

UH, RENDERINGS, UH, INSIDE THE BUILDING AGAIN, ARE, UH, SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT YOU SAW, UH, EARLIER, UH, THIS SUMMER.

THE ONLY CHANGE IS IN THIS BOTTOM LEFT CORNER IN THE MAIN CONFERENCE ROOMS THAT ARE, UH, LIKELY TO BE USED BY THE PUBLIC.

WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, INTEREST ON THE CEILINGS, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE THEM THAT SAME KIND OF SLATTED METAL LOOK THAT WE HAVE, OR SLATTED WOOD LOOK, EXCUSE ME, THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN LIKE THE RICHARDSON ROOM AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS, UH, IN THE BUILDING JUST TO KIND OF ELEVATE, UH, THE PUBLIC SPACES OF THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UH, AND THEN THE COUNCIL, UH, AREAS, UH, THE CONFERENCE, UH, ROOM AND THEN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

AGAIN, VERY, VERY SIMILAR.

THE ONLY, UH, TWO DIFFERENCES ACTUALLY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER IS WE'VE REPLACED THE, THE MURAL ON THE BACK WALL WITH KIND OF A MUTED BLUE, JUST FOR A KIND OF SIMPLER, CLEANER, UH, LOOK.

AND THEN UPDATED THE, THE, UM, THE COVERINGS OF, OF THE CHAIRS JUST TO A, A LIGHTER MATERIAL.

SO THAT GETS US TO, TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, IN, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, COUNCIL WILL RECALL THAT VALOUR BEATTY WAS AWARDED, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACTS, UH, FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES BACK IN 20, UH, 2023, UH, TO HELP US DESIGN A BUILDING THAT, UH, MET OUR BUDGET.

AND THEY'VE COMPLETED THAT WORK.

UM, AS WE STARTED TO THINK ABOUT TRANSITIONING TO CONSTRUCTION, UM, WE'VE, UH, ULTIMATELY DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR BALFOUR JUST TO FOCUS THEIR EFFORTS ON, UH, COMPLETING THE LIBRARY AND SELECT A DIFFERENT CONTRACTOR, UH, FOR, FOR CITY HALL.

AND WE DECIDED TO USE, UH, THE COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL, UH, DELIVERY METHOD TO SOLICIT BIDDERS.

THIS IS A, UH, A METHOD THAT ALLOWS US NOT ONLY TO CONSIDER THE PRICE, BUT ALSO, UH, THE BIDDER'S QUALIFICATIONS TO SELECT THE OVERALL BEST, UH, BEST BIDDER.

UH, WE WENT OUT FOR BIDS THIS FALL, UH, AND RECEIVED FIVE BIDS FOR THE PROJECT, RANGING FROM JUST UNDER, UM, 65 MILLION ALL THE WAY UP TO JUST OVER, UH, 86 MILLION.

UH, AND, UH, OF THOSE FIVE BIDS, MACAU AND GORDON WAS, UH, THE TOP RANKED BIDDER.

UH, AND ACTUALLY THEY PROVIDED THE LOWEST PRICE AND, UH, RANKED THE HIGHEST, UH, IN THE QUALITATIVE ASSESSMENT.

SO THAT WAS A NICE, A NICE COMBINATION A LITTLE BIT.

MOUNT MACCO GORDON, UM, THEY'RE AN EMPLOYEE-OWNED CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, UH, BASED IN KANSAS.

UH, THEY'VE SLOWLY KIND OF MIGRATED SOUTH AS, AS THEY'VE WORKED.

THEY HAVE OFFICES NOW IN MISSOURI AND IN DFW.

THEY HAVE A BACKGROUND IN CIVIC GOVERNMENT EDUCATION AND HEALTHCARE PROJECTS.

UH, WITHIN THE CIVIC REALM, THEY'VE COMPLETED ALMOST $2 BILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS FOR ABOUT 38 MUNICIPALITIES, INCLUDING EIGHT CITY HALLS.

UH, CURRENTLY IN THE AREA, UH, ON MUNICIPAL WORK.

THEY'RE DOING, UH, THE ANNA LIBRARY MUNICIPAL PLAZA, AND THEN, UH, DENTON'S MUNICIPAL SERVICE, UH, COMPLEX, WHICH IS VALUED ABOUT $70 MILLION.

SO YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING THIS IS GREAT, BUT WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE BUDGET? UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE ARE ON BUDGET, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, YOU'LL SEE, COMPARED TO THE, THE NUMBERS WE PRESENTED BACK, UH, IN JUNE, THERE'S BEEN SOME MOVEMENT AS WE'VE, UH, FINALIZED THE DESIGN PHASE WITH THE SOFT COSTS AND ESCALATED THE FFF AND E UH, AND COMPLETED THE DEMO, UH, OF CITY HALL.

UH, BUT OVERALL, WE'RE STILL WITHIN THE, UH, 91, UH, MILLION DOLLARS, UH, BUDGET.

UH, MACALLAN GORDON'S, UH, BID OF, OF, AGAIN, JUST, JUST UNDER, UH, $65 MILLION.

IT, IT SHOULD BE NOTED, THAT INCLUDES ABOUT $3 MILLION AN IN CONTRACT CONTINGENCY.

THAT'S A BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE IN CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, JUST FOR UNANTICIPATED THINGS THAT COME UP.

WE DON'T HAVE TO RUN BACK TO COUNCIL FOR EVERY UNANTICIPATED THING.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, LITTLE BIT OF, UM, UH, ROOM IN THERE FOR, FOR THOSE THINGS.

BUT EVEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT $1.8 MILLION, UH, IN OUT OUTSIDE CONTRACT CONTINGENCY.

AND WE STILL HAVEN'T, UM, GOTTEN TO THE 10 MILLION THAT THE COUNCIL SET ASIDE AND THE FY UH, 22, UH, UM, GENERAL FUND, UH, YEAR END SAVINGS THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECT CONTINGENCY FOR THIS, BASED ON THE ESCALATION WE WERE SEEING, UH, BACK THAT YEAR.

SO YOU ALL MAY RECALL THAT, UM, THIS SUMMER WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL, UH, ALTERNATES, UM, THAT WE, UH, WOULD CONSIDER THAT WE WOULD NOT INCLUDE IN THE BASE BID, BUT WOULD CONSIDER, UH, DEPENDING HOW THE FINAL BIDS, UH, CAME IN.

UM, THESE WERE, WERE THOSE ALTERNATES AND, AND THE ESTIMATES FROM FROM THE SUMMER.

UM, YOU'LL SEE WE ESTIMATED, UH, FIVE OF THOSE.

THEN WHEN WE PRESENTED THOSE TO COUNCIL, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RAINWATER HARVESTING SYSTEM.

SO WE ADDED THAT SO WE COULD HAVE OUR, UH, DESIGN TEAM, UH, EXPLORE THAT.

AND NEXT, I'LL GO THROUGH, UH, THOSE ALTERNATES.

I'LL TAKE 'EM A LITTLE BIT OUTTA ORDER, AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND, UH, WHY AS

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I GO THROUGH 'EM.

UH, SO FIRST, UH, ALTERNATE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, IS THE PLAZA AND LEADERSHIP GROVE ENHANCEMENTS FOR, UH, ABOUT 700,000 THAT CAME IN, UH, ALMOST 400,000, UH, BELOW OUR, OUR ESTIMATE.

AND THIS IS A COLLECTION OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT'LL REALLY, UH, ENHANCE THE, UH, APPEARANCE AND USABILITY OF THE PLAZA, THE LEADERSHIP GROVE, AND THE, THE NEW GREEN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, ON THE CAMPUS, UH, THROUGH, UM, A VARIETY OF ENHANCEMENTS.

UH, THOSE WOULD, UH, BE JUST A COUPLE OF 'EM TO NOTE, UH, RECYCLED BENCHES.

SO SUSTAINABILITY WAS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, THERE IS A, A GROUP THAT TAKES, UH, OLD WIND TURBINE BASES THAT ARE, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, AND THEY ALL OFTEN GO TO THE LANDFILL.

AND SO THERE'S A, A GROUP THAT IS, UH, STARTED REPURPOSING THOSE INTO, UH, REALLY DURABLE BENCHES.

'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE WIND TURBINE BASES.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THEY COME AT A PREMIUM THOUGH.

AND SO, UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO PUT A HANDFUL OF THOSE, UH, JUST TO HELP DIVERT THOSE THINGS FROM, FROM THE LANDFILL, UH, AND PROMOTE, UH, SUSTAINABILITY.

UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME ENHANCED CONCRETE FINISHES, THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, UPLIGHTING AND SOME OF THE, THE, THE PLAZA AREA, UH, JUST TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE.

AND THEN SOME, UH, EXTRA DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT WOULD HELP MAKE THE SPACE MORE FLEXIBLE FOR, UH, ANY SORT OF EVENT THAT WE MIGHT WANNA HAVE, UH, IN, IN THE PLAZA AREA OR ON THE GREEN.

UM, THE NEXT, UM, ALTERNATE, UH, IS, UM, LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UH, BACK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE SUMMER, IT WAS ABOUT $200,000.

AND WHAT WE WERE THINKING THEN WAS THAT, UH, WE WOULD HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR, UM, KIND OF SELECTIVE REPAIR OF, OF A PARKING LOT AREAS.

UM, AFTER THE, THE CITY HALL WAS DEMOED, AND WE DID A, A BETTER LOOK, UH, AT THE PARKING LOT, WE, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS, UH, LESS OPTIONAL, UH, THAT THERE WERE SOME REPAIRS THAT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.

SO, UH, WE PUT THAT IN THE BASE BID, UH, AS AN ALLOWANCE, UH, AS NEEDED.

UH, AND THEN THIS BID NOW JUST COVERS RETRIP, THE AREAS THAT WE DON'T TOUCH.

SO IT'S A LOT SMALLER AMOUNT.

UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS BID, UH, ALTERNATE IS.

AND THEN, UM, FOR THE, UH, EXPANDED SECOND FLOOR PATIO, AGAIN, THERE IS, THERE'S A PATIO ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE BASE BID.

IT'S, IT'S 3000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S IN THAT ORANGE AREA, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW, UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE REALLY TRYING TO, UM, EXPAND AND FOCUS ON THEIR AMENITY PACKAGE TO HELP, UM, RECRUIT TENANTS AND HELP THOSE TENANTS RECRUIT, UH, AND RETAIN, UH, TALENT.

AND SO, KIND OF USING A, A SIMILAR, UH, THOUGHT HERE, UM, PERHAPS SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, EXPAND THAT PATIO TO BE ABOUT, UH, 6,500 SQUARE FEET TO INCORPORATE THE BLUE AREA AS WELL.

UM, AND ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION WOULD BE THAT, THAT WE COULD USE THAT FOR A VARIETY OF PUBLIC EVENTS TOO, LIKE THE, UH, COMMUNITY REALIZATION AWARD RECEPTION, OR THE CARES RECEPTION.

IF THE WEATHER WAS NICE, WE COULD DO THOSE, UH, THINGS OUT ON THIS PATIO, UH, AS WELL.

AND THAT CAME IN AT, UH, RIGHT ON, ON BUDGET, ABOUT 330,000.

ANOTHER ALTERNATE IS, UH, FOR THE LOCATION OF THE SITE TRANSFORMER.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE TWO TRANSFORMERS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.

ONE FOR THE BUILDING.

AND THEN WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON THE SITE, ANOTHER ONE FOR THE SITE, UM, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE, UH, WAY FOR THE SITE TRANSFORMER IS TO PUT THE TRANSFORMER, UH, KIND OF INTERIOR TO THE SITE, CLOSER TO WHERE ALL THE LOAD IS, UH, FOR THE TRANSFORMER, BECAUSE ENCORE PAYS TO GET ALL OF THEIR LINE OVER TO THE TRANSFORMER.

AND THEN WE JUST PAY FOR WHAT'S BEHIND THE TRANSFORMER.

THE TRADE OFF THOUGH, IS THEN YOU HAVE TO DEDICATE ENCORE AN EASEMENT KIND OF THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S THAT, UM, THAT'S THIS LINE RIGHT HERE.

UM, SO THAT IS WHAT WAS IN THE BASE BID.

HOWEVER, IF WE WANT TO KIND OF MAINTAIN FLEXIBILITY ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SITE GOING FORWARD, UH, THIS ALTERNATE WOULD, UH, PUSH THE TRANSFORMER TO THE PERIPHERY OF THE SITE.

WE'D ADD SOME SCREEN TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKED GOOD FROM THE SERVICE ROAD.

UM, BUT THEN WE WOULD TAKE ON, UH, THE COST OF RUNNING THE LINES INTERIOR TO THE SITE, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEDICATE, UH, AN EASEMENT AS FAR INTO THE SITE, UH, TO ENCORE AS WE OTHERWISE WOULD.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, ABOUT $300,000, UH, TO DO THAT.

UH, THE OTHER, UH, ALTERNATE, AS I MENTIONED, UH, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS IN THE SUMMER, UH, COUNCIL, UH, SUGGESTED WE EXPLORE A RAINWATER HARVESTING SYSTEM.

UM, WE QUICKLY FOUND OUT THAT IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMPRACTICAL TO SUPPLY WATER TO THE ENTIRE SITE.

UM, GIVEN HOW LITTLE IT RAINS IN TEXAS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY BIG SYSTEM TO DO THAT, UH, TO, TO, TO STORE THAT RAIN FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE FOCUSED ON, UM, THE 1.5 ACRES THAT MAKE UP THE NEW GREEN AND PLAZA AREA.

UM, IN TALKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT, WE KIND OF LANDED ON A 10,000 GALLON, UH, TANK THAT WOULD MEET IRRIGATION NEEDS FOR ABOUT TWO DAYS WORTH OF IRRIGATION, OR TWO TIMES WORTH OF IRRIGATION.

UH, AND THEN DOMESTIC WATER WOULD BE USED TO SUPPLEMENT BEYOND THAT.

SO EVEN WITH A 10,000, UH, GALLON TANK, IF IT'S NOT RAINING, EVERY TWO WATERING CYCLES YOU'RE HAVING TO SUPPLEMENT WITH, UH, WITH DOMESTIC WATER.

AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THAT TANK, UH, IF IT'S ABOVE GROUND, THAT'S ABOUT

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A, A, A 10 FOOT, OR SORRY, A 12 FOOT BY 15 FOOT TALL, UH, TANK, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT A GOOD PLACE ABOVE GROUND, UH, TO PUT THAT, UM, GIVEN PARKING AND TREES AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

SO THAT KIND OF PUSHED IT, UH, BELOW GROUND.

UM, BUT THAT ALSO INCREASES THE COSTS.

UM, THE $500,000 ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE THE OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE COST THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ON A SYSTEM LIKE THIS.

UH, AND SO WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS ON KIND OF WHAT THE ROI WOULD BE, THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE SUPPLEMENTING WITH DOMESTIC WATER, UM, UH, WHAT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE ABOUT A 40 YEAR SYSTEM WOULD HAVE AN ROI ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS.

SO FROM A JUST PURELY FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE, UH, MUCH FINANCIAL SENSE.

UM, THE WAY WE, WE INCLUDED THIS IN THE BID BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO FULLY, UH, VET AND DESIGN A SYSTEM, IS WE INCLUDED A $500,000 ALLOWANCE, UH, IN, IN THE PROJECT.

UM, IF COUNCIL DECIDES NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THEN INSTEAD OF ADDING $500,000 TO THE PROJECT, YOU ACTUALLY SUBTRACT $500,000 OUT OF THE PROJECT.

SO THIS IS, UH, KIND OF A, THE OPPOSITE WAY TO CONSIDER THIS.

AND THEN, UH, I, I PUT THIS ONE, UH, LAST, UH, WE TALKED IN THE SUMMER ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR A ROOFTOP SOLAR PANELS, BUT HOW THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY A SEPARATE CONTRACTOR AT THE END OF THE PROJECT.

AGAIN, OUR BASE BID, UH, HAS A DESIGN AND A CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THESE.

UM, AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE WILL COME IN AT THE END OF THE PROJECT TO INSTALL.

UM, AS WE, AS WE TALK TO CONSULTANTS ABOUT THIS, GIVEN THE, THE STEP TO BUILDING DESIGN AND, AND THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, THERE'S REALLY NOT A, A, A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM ON THE ROOF, UH, FOR THESE THINGS.

AND THEN BASED ON CURRENT TECHNOLOGY, UH, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT SOLAR PANELS WILL ONLY PROVIDE ABOUT 10% OF THE ELECTRICAL SUPPLY FOR THE BUILDING.

JUST COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HAVE A MUCH LARGER LOAD THAN RESIDENTIAL, UH, BUILDING.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, DOESN'T PROVIDE A, A WHOLE LOT OF BENEFIT.

SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT HERE AND WHAT YOU WOULD SAVE, IT'S ABOUT A 75 YEAR RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR WHAT'S, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT A 30 YEAR SYSTEM.

SO AGAIN, FROM A PURELY FINANCIAL SYSTEM, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION, NOT, NOT, UM, NOT, UH, VERY FEASIBLE.

SO BASED ON, UH, THE BID RESULTS AND, AND THAT INFORMATION, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDED APPROACH IS THAT WE APPROVE MACAL GORDON'S BASE BID, UH, AT JUST UNDER 65 MILLION.

AGAIN, THAT INCLUDES 3 MILLION, UH, IN, IN CONTRACT CONTINGENCY, AND LEAVES US WITH, UH, ESCALATION, UH, INC IN ANOTHER CONTINGENCY LINE OF ABOUT 1.8.

AND WE USE THAT TO FUND, UM, THE LEADERSHIP GROVE ENHANCEMENTS, THE PARKING LOT REFRESH, THE EXPANDED SECOND FLOOR PATIO AND THE SITE TRANSFORMER.

UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND NOT, UH, UH, MOVING FORWARD THE RAINWATER HARPING SYSTEM AT THIS TIME, WHICH WOULD SUBTRACT $500,000 OUT OF THE PROJECT.

AND THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH KIND OF A FINAL ESCALATION CONTINGENCY OUTSIDE THE CONTRACT WITH ABOUT A MILLION.

SO WE GO INTO CONSTRUCTION WITH A TOTAL OF ABOUT $4 MILLION IN CONTINGENCY FOR ANYTHING UNINSPECTED.

AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE SOLAR PANELS IN THE FUTURE AS TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES, UH, AND FUNDING ALLOWS.

WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THIS, BUT JUST A, A QUICK UPDATE ON THE PROJECT SCHEDULE.

UM, WE ARE OBVIOUSLY OUTTA DESIGN ABOUT TO MOVE INTO, UH, CONSTRUCTION.

UH, CONSTRUCTION SHOULD START, UH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AND BE, UH, COMPLETE EARLY 2027.

AND SO, UH, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE ABOUT THE, THE ALTERNATES, UH, WE'LL BRING BACK A CONTRACT FROM MCALLEN GORDON.

UH, NEXT WEEK ON, ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA, UH, WE'RE, UM, SCHEDULING A GROUNDBREAKING FOR FEBRUARY.

SO STAY TUNED FOR MORE INFORMATION, UH, ON THAT.

AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, UH, HOPING TO GET CONSTRUCTION STARTED EITHER MID-FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH.

AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

CHARLES.

UM, MS. JUSTICE, WE'LL LET YOU GO FIRST IF YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS.

UH, I'M STILL DIGESTING NO IMMEDIATE COMMENTS, SO I'LL LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I WOULD SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS, UH, THE RECOMMENDED APPROACH, MR. CORCORAN.

YEAH, I DEFINITELY APPROVE OF THE RECOMMENDED APPROACH.

I UNDERSTAND THE PRIOR DIFFICULTIES AND WHY WE'RE SWITCHING OVER.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER COST IMPLICATIONS FOR MAYBE SOME OF THE MORE AMBITIOUS, UM, ECO-FRIENDLY PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE.

ONE THING, THOUGH, THAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, JUST WITH THE PARKING LOT REFRESH, WILL THE NEW CITY HALL, ARE WE KIND OF, ARE WE FACTORING IN AT THIS POINT ANY PLANS TO HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS OR ANY SORT OF EV STATIONS THERE? UH, YES, SIR.

SO, UH, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR GRANTS FOR, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S FOUR, UH, CHARGING STATIONS AT, UH, THE LIBRARY IN FORT CITY HALL.

UH, WE SHOULD HEAR BACK IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE, UH, RECEIVED, UH, FUNDING FOR, FOR THOSE.

WE'RE HOPING TO FUND THOSE TWO GRANTS.

THANKS FOR THE UPDATE ON THAT.

AWESOME, MR. BARRIOS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR CHARLES.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ON SLIDE NINE, UM, WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE LAST POINT THERE.

UM, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THAT.

WHAT IS THAT? MACAL? MACALLAN

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GORDON.

MACALLAN GORDON, YEAH.

TOP RANK PROVIDING BOTH THE LOWEST PRICE AND HIGHEST IN THE QUALITATIVE ASSESSMENT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE QUALITATIVE ASSESSMENT IS AND HOW THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, KIND OF? SURE.

SO, UH, EACH, EACH UH, CONTRACTOR SUBMITTED, UM, KIND OF A WRITTEN PACKET OF, UM, A A VARIETY OF INFORMATION.

AND THEN WE HAD A, A SELECTION COMMITTEE, UH, MADE UP OF, UH, MYSELF, UH, MCKAYLA, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS DEPARTMENT, PARKS DEPARTMENT AND FACILITIES.

AND WE WENT THROUGH, UH, AND RANKED THEM ON THINGS LIKE, UM, BACKGROUND, PRIOR EXPERIENCE, REPUTATION, UM, UH, PRIOR, UM, PRIOR REF, PRIOR REFERENCE CHECKS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, UH, PRIOR WORK HISTORY OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND HOW SIMILAR IT IS.

UM, SOME OF THEIR KIND OF QUALITY CONTROL, UM, THEIR SAFETY SCORES, ALL OF THAT ADDED UP.

UH, AND THAT WAS 50% OF THEIR RANK.

AND THEN THE PRICE WAS ANOTHER 50% OF THE RANK.

YOU COMBINE THOSE TWO THINGS AND YOU GET THE TOTAL, UM, KIND OF BEST SCORE.

UM, AND THAT'S HOW YOU, YOU SELECT WHO YOU'RE GONNA START THE BIDDING PROCESS WITH.

THIS IS A KIND OF STANDARDIZED, I GUESS, ASSESSMENT WE USE IN VARIOUS PROJECTS.

UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND, I GUESS I DIDN'T QUITE, ALL RIGHT.

SO THE COST IS TO KEEP THE, UH, TRANSFORMER AND FROM KEEPING US TO GIVING UP EASEMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

TO ENCORE.

SO WHAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE WITH GIVING UP EASEMENT? HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE A NEGATIVE THING.

SO IF, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IN THE FUTURE WE WANTED TO USE THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING ELSE, WHETHER IT'S A PARKING GARAGE OR ANOTHER BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, THAT ENCORE EASEMENT WOULD BE AN IMPEDIMENT.

UM, WE'D HAVE TO PAY TO RELOCATE EVERYTHING AT THAT TIME.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, WE BELIEVE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY IS JUST TO, TO, TO DO IT NOW AND KEEP IT ON THE PERIPHERY.

AND THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY RUN THE LINES ALONG THIS DRIVE.

WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF THE SITE UTILITIES ALONG THIS DRIVE.

UM, SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY STAY, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, UH, IN THE FUTURE OF THE SITE, GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY AND CONTROL CORRECT.

FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.

THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

UM, ON, I UNDERSTAND THE SOLAR, I MEAN, FROM WHERE I STAND AT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SHOW TELLING US, UH, ON THE, LET'S SEE, WHAT WAS THE SLIDE YOU MENTIONED THE UPGRADES TO, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE COMMON AREA.

THE, UH, YOU SAID THERE WERE SOME LIGHTING UPGRADES ON, ON SLIDE 13, UH, ENHANCED LIGHTING AREAS, I THINK IS WHAT WE CALLED IT.

YES.

I FORGET WHERE THAT WAS.

YES, I GET THE QUESTION IS HAVE WE CONSIDERED, I KNOW LIKE WHEN WE WERE IN TML, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE, I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER PLACES NOW WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE SOLAR POWERED, UM, POST AT PARKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

HAVE WE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF LIGHTING ALTERNATIVES FOR THOSE PUBLIC SPACES? UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, OH, WHAT ARE WE CALLING THIS? WHERE, WHERE THEIR FOUNTAIN IS AND THAT KIND OF IN THE PLAZA AREA? YEAH, THE PLAZA AREA BASED BASED ON, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE ROOM.

IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SOLAR POWERED OPTION.

UM, SO WE DID NOT CONSIDER THAT, UM, BASED ON THE AESTHETICS WE WERE GOING FOR, FOR THE CAMPUS.

SO THIS IS COVERED BY THE THIRD FLOOR.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LOT MORE COST EFFICIENT WAY OF INCLUDING SOME OF THOSE MINOR THINGS AND ALLOWING US TO KIND OF SHOW THAT, HEY, WE, WE DID DO SOMETHING THERE.

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY ON A BIG PROJECT LIKE THIS, AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THE SOLAR PANELS, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANNA DO.

'CAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S THOSE, THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT, UH, I THINK BRING VALUE TO, TO OUR RESIDENTS.

UM, THE EXPANDED SECOND FLOOR, I'LL BE HONEST, THIS IS ONE I'M STRUGGLING TO, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IT'S NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WITH IT, I'M JUST STRUGGLING TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND PURPOSE AND USE.

SO THIS WOULD BE AN OUTDOOR PATIO AREA.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MOVABLE WALLS OR OPENING UP THE AREA.

I MEAN, THIS IS PURELY CORRECT OUTDOOR COVERED PATIO AREA.

A PORTION OF IT IS COVERED.

SO THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE IS UNDER THE THIRD FLOOR, BUT EVERYTHING OVER HERE IS UNCOVERED.

SO WHAT IS THERE NOW, IF WE DON'T ADD THIS PIECE TO IT? IT WOULD JUST BE THE ROOF OF, OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

OH, OKAY.

I SEE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ENTIRE PURPLE AND ORANGES AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE? YEP.

THAT'S ALL COVERED IN EXTERIOR.

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THE, THE BUILDING ENDS RIGHT HERE.

THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR RIGHT HERE.

SO ALL OF OF THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD USE A MINIMUM THIS MUCH OF THE FIRST FLOOR ROOF, UH, FOR THIS ROOFTOP PATIO.

BUT THE, THE, UM, ALTERNATE WOULD EXPAND THAT TO INCORPORATE PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE PORTION OF THE FIRST FLOOR ROOF.

SO THE 330 ADDS THE I SEE IT OKAY.

AS THE, WHAT'S IN THE BLUE OVER THERE ON THE, THAT NORTHEAST CORNER? UH, OVER HERE? YES.

THIS IS JUST THE OFFICE BASE.

SO THIS IS THE BREAK ROOM FOR THE BUILDING.

SO IT WOULD BE RIGHT OFF THE BREAK ROOM.

AND THEN THIS IS THE, THE SECOND FLOOR LOBBY.

THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE.

WOULD WE USE THIS, I MEAN, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE CIVIC SPACE, WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE FOR CIVIC RENTALS? IS THIS, I MEAN, IS THIS TRULY JUST A BREAK ROOM WE'RE GONNA USE SIX TIMES A YEAR FOR CARES AND THOSE KIND OF RECEPTIONS? YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD RENT IT.

I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT WE, WHEN WE HAVE LOTS OF PARTNERS, I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD REALLY USE IT FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS.

I MEAN, YOU COULD USE IT FOR LIBRARY PROGRAMMING, YOU COULD USE IT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, PARTNER, UH, PROGRAMMING.

UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN AN $85 MILLION BUDGET, THE PRO THE VALUE PROPOSITION TO THE COUNCIL IS FOR THE $330,000, WOULD WE WANT TO CREATE AN AREA THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPURPOSE, MULTI FLEXIBLE, UM, IT'S OUTDOOR COMPARED TO INDOOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, THINK OF IT LIKE IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS WE DO HERE WHEN THE WEATHER'S NICE.

AND WOULD WE WANNA JUST CREATE SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT OUR CITY HALL THAT A LOT OF CITY HALLS WOULDN'T HAVE, WHICH WOULD BE THIS OUTDOOR GATHERING PLACE.

NOW RECALL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING OVER THE PLAZA, YOU'LL SEE THE PUBLIC ART, YOU'LL SEE THE FOUNTAIN, YOU'LL SEE THE LIBRARY.

UM, BUT I, I REALLY COULD SEE IT BEING USED FOR A VARIETY, A VARIETY OF THINGS.

UM, IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, RECEPTIONS, UH, HOA AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, GATHERINGS THAT THE CITY FACILITATES, BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING RENTED.

SO WOULD THIS BE A AREA THAT, I MEAN, WHAT'S OUT THERE? IS THAT JUST CHAIRS AND TABLES? I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S BASICALLY AN OUTDOOR BREAK ROOM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, YEAH, THERE, THERE'D BE A COLLECTION OF, OF CHAIRS AND TABLES, SOME KIND OF, UM, MORE LOUNGE TYPE SEATING AREAS, MAYBE.

UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS MIDDLE PART HAS A, A LITTLE CORNHOLE CORNHOLE AREA FOR, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S ON THEIR LUNCH BREAK AND WANTS TO SURE.

TO DO SOMETHING.

BUT, UM, SO JUST TO MIXTURE DIFFERENT SEATING AREAS AND SEATING TYPES AND MAYBE A FEW OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.

I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR STAFF MORALE AND THEM ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE TO GET OUT OF THE BUILDING TO WORK AND, YOU KNOW, WORK, PLAY A LITTLE BIT AND SOCIALIZE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A DRAWING POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, AMEN.

AMENITIES FOR THE WORKERS.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF I, I'LL TELL YOU, I MEAN, ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT THOSE OF US THAT WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE UT SOUTHWESTERN UT DALLAS, UH, BUILDING GROUND, I MEAN OPENING, YOU SAW WHAT YOU CAN DO BY EXTENDING, UM, THE INTERIOR AND CREATING AND, AND, AND THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS DOES.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I I JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A REALLY NEAT, UM, CREATIVE WAY TO USE THE OUTDOOR AREA.

AND SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY THERE WITH THE ORANGE AREA, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE WANT TO CONSIDER JUST REALLY FINISHING THAT OUT? AND AGAIN, I, I THINK, I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, I THINK THE, THE POSSIBILITIES ARE REALLY PRETTY WIDE AND, AND, AND DEEP IN TERMS OF WHAT WE COULD DO OUT THERE.

AND, UM, I, I THINK WE WOULD TRY TO UTILIZE IT, YOU KNOW, UM, VERY REGULARLY NOW.

YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMETIMES OF THE YEAR WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE YEAR WE COULD, COULD DO SOMETHING PRETTY NEAT.

WELL, I, UM, ONE THING I, I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IN THIS BUILDING, UH, IS CREATE THAT AREA RIGHT OFF THE BREAK ROOM.

AND, UH, SO, AND, AND I DON'T, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE HERE DURING THE DAY.

I HOPEFULLY STAFF AS, AS USED THAT.

I THINK I'VE, I'VE COME IN EARLY A FEW TIMES.

I'VE SEEN 'EM USE A COUPLE PEOPLE USING IT OVER THE LAST YEAR.

BUT, UH, YEAH, IF YOU COULD CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE, UM, FOR STAFF TO GET AWAY, YOU KNOW, IN THERE FOR A FEW MINUTES AND, UH, I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

AND, UH, THREE 30, YOU KNOW, FOR A PATIO IS KIND OF HIGH.

BUT I THINK IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY AND IF, IF WE CAN USE IT, I THINK IT'S, UH, I STRUGGLE WITH IT A BIT, BUT I, I COULD SEE WHERE IT COULD WORK IF, UH, I, IF, UH, WE GET THE WEATHER COOPERATE, BUT BEING THAT IT IS COMPLETELY COVERED, UH, HOPEFULLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT COVERING, MAYBE, I'M ASSUMING IT'S KIND OF A HIGH CEILING TYPE AREA, CLARIFY WHAT'S COVERED AGAIN, WHAT'S NOT COVERED.

SO ONLY, ONLY THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE IS COVERED.

ONLY THE ORANGE, NOT THE PURPLE, JUST, AND JUST THIS HALF OF THE ORANGE.

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SO AGAIN, THE BUILDING, YEAH, THE BUILDING STOPS RIGHT HERE.

UM, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS COVERED, BUT THE REST OF THIS IS COMPLETELY UNCOVERED.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU JOE.

YOU COMMENT, I ME MEAN IN THEORY WE COULD BRING OUT UMBRELLAS OR DO OTHER THINGS TO SHA IT.

WELL, IN THE MORNING, IN THE MORNING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NICE SHADE.

WE'LL, I MEAN, IF YOU HAD A, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD AN HOA PRESIDENTS MEETING AND YOU WANTED TO HAVE A GATHERING TIME BEFORE OR AFTER OUTSIDE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE SHADE.

YEAH, OF COURSE.

MR. DORIAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, I JUST, UH, CHARLES, THANK YOU.

I, I DON'T RECALL WHO MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON THE EXTERIOR DETAILS, BUT I LIKE IT , .

I DO LIKE THE EYEBROW LINING AND THE LIGHTING THAT'S GOING TO ELEVATE THAT UPPER PORTION.

AND AT NIGHT PEOPLE ARE GONNA REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

IT'S, UH, IT WILL CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE TO THE BUILDING AND GIVE IT SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST.

AND I THINK, UH, ELEVATING AND LIGHTING THAT THE ENTRY FEATURE THERE, UH, WITH THAT COPPER OR METALLIC, UH, MATERIAL, I DO LIKE THAT.

AND IT GIVES US SORT OF THAT MID-CENTURY VIBE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RETAIN.

RIGHT? BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THAT'S CHANGING WITH HOUSES BEING TORN DOWN AND BUILDINGS BEING RESHAPED.

I DO LIKE KEEPING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, THAT DETAIL.

I, UM, I ALSO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR MCC ACCOUNT GORDON'S, UH, BASE BID AND, UH, APPRECIATE SEPARATING THOSE, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTORS.

UM, SO I'M DEFINITELY FOR THAT ON, I LOVE ALL THE ALTERNATES BY THE WAY.

AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE, UH, SURE COMMENTS ON A COUPLE OF THEM.

ONE, UNDERSTANDING HOW SOLAR IS ADVANCING AND, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S CHANGING SO DRASTICALLY THAT I HAVE TO AGREE THAT POTENTIALLY THAT IS A COST THAT MAY NOT BE, UM, BENEFICIAL IN OUR BUDGET DUE TO THE FACT THAT ONE, THEY ARE ADHERED TO THE ROOF AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE UPDATED.

AND THERE THERE'S NOT THAT LARGE OF A COST SAVINGS.

WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET THAT'S GONNA CREATE MORE EFFICIENCY IS THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING, CREATING, UM, SUSTAINABILITY WITH, UH, EITHER CELLULOSE OR A COMBINATION OF SPRAY FOAM, UH, AND OTHER TYPES OF INSULATION IN THE PERIMETER WALLS AND THE CURTAIN WALLS.

AND THEN PROVIDING MORE SUSTAINABLE AND INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL REDUCE THAT ENERGY LEVEL.

SO I DO LIKE THE IDEA, EVEN THOUGH I DO LIKE SOLAR PANELS ON A SMALLER SCALE, I JUST THINK FOR THIS, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK LATER AND, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY THREE TO FIVE YEARS 'CAUSE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING SO DRASTICALLY, WE MAY HAVE TO UPDATE THOSE AGAIN.

AND IT'S NOT AS BENEFICIAL, NOT WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE TO CREATE BUILDINGS NOW AND MAKE 'EM MORE, UH, JUST MORE OF AN ENVELOPE, UM, ON THE HARVEST.

A RAINWATER HARVESTING, I KNOW THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED NOT TO INCLUDE IT, BUT I HAVE TO SAY, IF I HAD MY CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO, I WOULD CERTAINLY CHOOSE THE RAINWATER.

AND I NOTICED THE, UH, ILLUSTRATION OF THE SILO.

I'M CALLING IT SILO.

PLAY A NICE ARCHITECTURAL AND SUSTAINABLE ROLE FOR THE, FOR THE NEW BUILDING.

I FIND THAT COULD BE A REALLY INTERESTING ARCHITECTURAL PIECE SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND, AND THAT WATER REALLY JUST USED FOR IRRIGATION.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY ALL IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR ANYWAY.

AND, AND DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH RAIN, OF COURSE THAT WE HAVE, AIR, THE, IT, THERE COULD BE VALUE THERE.

UH, ONE WE'VE CREATED ARCHITECTURAL PIECE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING INTERESTING, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE MAY WANT TO TAKE PHOTOS IN FRONT OF.

IT COULD BE ICONIC.

AND ALSO, UM, WITH THE, WITH TECHNOLOGY TODAY, WITH RUNNING PECS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PIPE STRUCTURE THAT COULD ALL BE IRRIGATED AROUND THE BUILDING ITSELF, AROUND THE FOUNDATION FOR THE MOST PART, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WATER INTAKE THERE IS.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER PUTTING MORE, A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH INTO THIS PORTION OF IT TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING SOMETHING ON THAT LEVEL OF RAINWATER HARVESTING.

'CAUSE RAINWATER, I FEEL LIKE, IS A LOT MORE SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM AND MUCH, MUCH LONG TERM THAN THE SOLAR PANEL.

SO THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT AND, UH, MY COMMENTS.

BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE THAT, UH, LOOKED AT FURTHER JUST TO SEE, DO WE HAVE AN OPTION THERE? AND, AND WOULD THOSE IDEAS

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AND THE, UH, AND YOU SAID THAT THAT SILO, DOES THAT SILO TAKE 10,000 GALLONS OF WATERS OF WATER AND YOU'RE USING THAT IN TWO DAYS? IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT TWO DAYS OF IRRIGATION? 2, 2, 2, 2 CYCLES OF IRRIGATION.

SO WHETHER THAT'S TWO DAYS IN A ROW OR, YOU KNOW, A WEEK WORTH OF WATERING, JUST DEPENDS ON, ON HOW OFTEN WE'RE WATERING.

I, UH, DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE, UH, ALTERNATE ON THE PATIO IDEA.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THERE ARE SO MANY USES FOR THAT.

UH, AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, EMPLOYEE MORALE.

UM, I MEAN, HONESTLY TOO, I WAS KIND OF KIDD ABOUT HAVING YOGA CLASSES OR WHATEVER OUT THERE, BUT FOR EMPLOYEES AND SOME OTHER THINGS, YOU COULD REALLY JUST, IT'S SO MULTIPURPOSE.

THERE'S SUCH A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THAT VALUE.

AND, UH, FOR EVENTS AND OTHER THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SET UP, IT COULD BE TURNED INTO WHAT THIS ROOM IS TURNED INTO, YOU KNOW, ON A REGULAR BASIS IT COULD BE USED FOR ANY EVENT.

SO I, I DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT.

UM, MAKE SURE I DIDN'T FORGET ANYTHING.

I DO APPRECIATE THE COST SAVINGS ON THE 714,000.

UM, I THINK YOU SAID THERE WAS A $4,000 DECREASE ON, ON, CAN'T READ MY WRITING.

I WAS WRITING SO FAST.

BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE ON THE PARKING LOT, UH, BACK OVER TO SOLAR THOUGH, THE THING I WOULD SUPPORT ON SOLAR IS, UH, SOME OF THE POST LIGHTING, UH, THAT WOULD SURROUND THE PARKING LOT.

AND SOME OF THE AREAS THEY MAKE SOME REALLY GOOD ARCHITECTURAL SOLAR LIGHT FIXTURES NOW THAT ARE SUPER SUSTAINABLE.

AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THE CELL OF THE, UH, SOLAR PIECE, YOU CAN KEEP THE FIXTURE AND THAT CELL PIECE COULD BE REPLACED IF IT EVER NEEDED TO BE REPLACED FOR WHATEVER REASON IT GOT DAMAGED.

BUT THAT WOULD ALSO CREATE AN OFF OFFSET, SOME OF THE EXPENSE ON, UH, SOME OF THE SUSTAINABILITY.

SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT.

AND, AND ALSO THE DUST TO DAWN SYSTEM.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT RESIDENTIAL, BUT COMMERCIAL ALSO USES IT.

AND THEY MAKE SYSTEMS NOW THAT ARE DUST TO DAWN.

SO ALL THE EXTERIOR, UH, LANDSCAPE LIGHTING, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN THE SIGN LIGHTED LIGHTING ON THE FRONT FOR THE KIOSK COULD BE LIT, YOU KNOW, FROM DUST TO DAWN.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU WANNA SEE THE BUILDING.

THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE, AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE.

SO, UM, THOSE WERE JUST SEVERAL THINGS I WANTED TO COMMENT ON.

AND I, I HAD WRITTEN SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT I, I'LL, I'LL REFRAIN FROM SAYING THEM.

I THINK THAT WAS ENOUGH.

BUT I, I DO LIKE THE DIRECTION THIS IS GOING.

THE BUILDING'S STARTING TO SHAPE UP.

IT'S LOOKING GOOD.

AND I LIKE THE ALTERNATES.

LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER US TO RECONSIDER IS THE RAINWATER HARVESTING.

WELL, THANK YOU, CHARLES, FOR, UH, ANSWERING SO MANY QUESTION LOOKS LIKE YOUR HEART, NOT JUST THE HEART IN IT, ALSO YOUR MIND ALSO .

SO THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE REALLY FUN NEXT FEW YEARS.

UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE MUCH CHANGE ORDER FROM THE CONTRACTORS.

, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ALWAYS GIVE ME HEARTBURN.

UH, NOW.

YEAH, I MEAN, ALL THOSE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU HAVE, THOSE ARE GREAT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO DO THOSE THING LATER WHEN THE BUILDING IS DONE, IT'S GONNA COST THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES, WHO KNOWS WHAT.

UH, IT'S GONNA BE HUGE.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS PRETTY AS IF YOU DO TODAY.

UH, AND, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING THAT SIX, 6,000 SQUARE FEET, I THINK SIX, 3,500 ADDITIONAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FAIRLY CHEAP.

IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT LIKE, AGAIN, REMODEL, IT IS GONNA BE HUGE.

WHAT KIND OF HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, WHAT KIND OF, UH, FLOORING SYSTEM WOULD BE A ROOF SYSTEM WOULD BE THERE? THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROOF TILE SYSTEM.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME OF IT, BUT IT, IT'S MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR ROOFTOP PATIOS LIKE THIS.

THESE ARE THE GREAT IDEA, BUT NOT NECESSARILY, UH, COST EFFECTIVE.

HOPEFULLY WE ARE NOT GONNA SEE STRUGGLE ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LEAKING ROOF.

MM-HMM.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES THOSE ARE NIGHTMARE, RIGHT? UH, IF NOT REALLY DONE CORRECTLY.

UH, AND I WISH WE COULD, YOU KNOW, I KNEW THAT THE, UH, THE SOLAR IS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY THAT USED, UH, HAVING THAT KIND OF SIZE AND ALL THIS, THIS IS NOT REALLY THERE YET.

THE SYSTEM, UH, RAINWATER HARVESTING, YOU KNOW,

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THERE IS A NEW TERM.

WE TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABLE DESIGN, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER TERM WE OFTEN FORGET THAT THOSE ARE GREEN SUSTAINABLE DESIGN.

UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS THE GREEN SUSTAINABLE DESIGN.

THOSE ELEMENT, EVEN IF WE DON'T HARVEST THE RAIN WATER, BUT MAKE SURE THAT THOSE RAIN WATER GOES, YOU KNOW, THIS HAVE TO BE DESIGNED, UH, IT, THOSE GARDEN, THOSE LANDSCAPING NEED TO BE PART OF THE ACTUAL DESIGN THAT THE RENEW ORDER WILL GO TO.

THE GARDEN WILL FILTER THROUGH BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO THE, UH, MAIN SYSTEM.

THOSE SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, VERY SIMPLE THINGS, BUT VERY OFTEN WE DON'T DO THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO IT FROM DAY ONE, IT'LL NEVER BE DONE CORRECTLY.

UH, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THE STORM SYSTEM.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH TIME OUR MONEY WE SPEND, WE NEVER REALLY ACHIEVED THE GOAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO, UH, I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING DESIGN AND ALL THIS, SOMEBODY WILL LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, THE RAIN, RAINWATER, THAT, HOW IT CAN, WE CAN CAPTURE, UH, WE CAN ALWAYS PUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BUT THAT REALLY DOESN'T SOLVE THE PURPOSE.

IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, USE THOSE RAINWATER, AND WE ARE GONNA BE STILL PUTTING THE PIPE SYSTEM JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ALL RAIN CORRECTLY.

BUT, UH, IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT HOW TO CAPTURE THOSE THINGS, IT'S NOT GOING TO COST US ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT IS GONNA COST YOU NOT CAPTURING.

SO I THINK THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT.

AND LIKE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE DO, IF WE THINK ABOUT THE GREEN DESIGN, UH, GREEN SUSTAINABLE DESIGN, THEN THAT WOULD SAVE US MONEY FROM NOW FOR NOW AND ALSO IN THE FUTURE.

UH, NOW REGARDING THE STILL, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, RAINWATER HARVESTING SYSTEM.

UH, I, I WAS HOPING, AND I THINK I'M STILL HOPING THAT YOU CAN DO A MINI SKILL, UH, JUST FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE FOR THE KIDS.

THEY COME TO THE LIBRARY, THEY CAN WALK TO A SMALL GARDEN.

IT'S NOT GOING TO COST TOO MUCH.

WE CAN PROBABLY EVEN GET SOME DONATION FROM OUTSIDE.

UH, AND THIS, THIS WOULD BE FAIRLY DONE CHEAP WAY AND, UH, MAIN MAINTENANCE WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.

BUT IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE DESIGN WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN, THE WHOLE SYSTEM, IT'LL, IT COULD LOOK REALLY UGLY EVEN IF YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING NICE.

SO IF IT BECOMES PART OF THE WHOLE THING AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LEAVE A GARDEN LANDSCAPE FOR A CERTAIN THINGS LIKE RAINWATER HARVESTING SMALL THINGS, AND THE KIDS CAN WALK THERE AND SEE SIMILAR THINGS.

UH, THOSE STILL COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE THINGS LOOK MUCH BETTER.

AND, UH, THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE KIDS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO WITHIN THEIR AREA, UH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA BE, EVEN IF IT, IF IT IS A SMALL AREA, IT CAN DO MOST, DO THOSE THING MORE COST EFFECTIVELY.

BUT FOR LARGER LIKE THIS, IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE ANYMORE.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE HAPPY IF WE COULD USE THE SOLAR LIGHT, YOU KNOW, AT THE, IN THE PARKING AREA THAT WOULD BE TURN ON, TURN OFF.

THOSE ARE REALLY NICE.

IT COMES.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WANT TO SEE CERTAIN LOOK OF THOSE THING, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT THING YET, BUT I'M SURE HOPEFULLY NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST HOPEFULLY, I'M SURE YOU ARE GONNA BE USING A DELIGHT FOR THOSE.

AND, UH, IF WE HAVE THOSE THING MULTIPLE ZONED CORRECTLY, THEN YOU CAN TURN ON, TURN OFF, UH, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONALLY SOMETIMES, OR YOU CAN DO THAT AUTOMATIC SYSTEM.

IF WE HAVE ALL THOSE THING AVAILABLE, THOSE GONNA COST YOU THE SAME IF YOU DO THAT TODAY.

BUT IF YOU HAVE TO REDO SOME OF THE CONNECTION, SOME OF THE WIRING, IT'S GONNA COST US A LOT AND CHANGE ORDER.

YOU'LL BE COMING HERE AND SOMEDAY AND YOU'RE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HAVE TO RUN SOME OF THE LINE HERE AND THERE, AND THAT'S GONNA COST US $579,256 10 CENTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY FUN IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, MANAGE THESE THINGS, UH, MORE, YOU KNOW, FOCUS WATCH.

AND THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN FINISH THIS BUILDING NICE, WONDERFUL.

BUT IF IT IS NOT DONE CORRECTLY, THEN IT'S GONNA BE CONTINUOUS MAINTENANCE

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ISSUE FOR THE CITY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT 10 YEARS, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, EVEN SOONER.

SO OVERALL, I THINK THESE ARE GREAT THAT I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THOSE RECOMMENDATION AND YOU SEPARATE THOSE ITEM, AND I, I FULLY SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH A LOT THAT'S BEEN SAID.

I THINK THAT THE, THE PATIO IS GREAT.

UM, AS COUNCIL AND CORCORAN SAID, WE CAN, WE CAN DEAL WITH SOME OF THE OUTDOOR ELEMENTS BY ADDING UMBRELLAS OR SALES AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

AND SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT SPACE.

UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, ADDING A LOT OF GREENERY.

UM, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILMAN CHAEL'S POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ROOF IS, UH, CONSTRUCTED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD HAVE A FULL ON GREEN ROOF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF GREAT, UH, GREENERY INTO COOL THE SPACE DOWN BY, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, UM, GREAT PLANTINGS THERE, UM, ON THE RAINWATER AND THE SOLAR.

I MEAN, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

UM, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR, UH, SORT OF RETURN ON A, YOU KNOW, 40 YEAR PRODUCT OR, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

UM, BUT THEY'RE IMPORTANT INITIATIVES.

AND SO I, I THINK I BROUGHT IT UP LAST TIME.

UH, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY HALL TO SEE, UM, IF WE COULD FIND GRANT FUNDING FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.

JUST LIKE WITH THE EV PARKING, UH, OCCASIONALLY THERE ARE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, AND SO I WOULD NOT, UH, FORECLOSE THE RAINWATER HARVESTING SYSTEM, BUT INSTEAD I WOULD SORT OF SHIFT IT TO THAT CATEGORY OF EXPLORING IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND SEE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO, TO GET GRANT FUNDING FOR THEM.

UM, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF, UH, FOR ME, THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT VERSUS, UH, SPENDING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE US A HUNDRED YEARS TO GET OUR MONEY BACK ON.

SO, UM, UH, SO I THINK IT'S RIGHT THE WAY YOU HAVE IT LISTED ON THE SLIDE, DON'T INCLUDE IT HERE, BUT I WOULD MOVE IT DOWN TO EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL, UH, AND TRY AND FIND ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FOR IT.

UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, CHARLES, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES EXTERNALLY AND INTERNALLY, AND THERE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A MURAL AT THE BACK OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND YOU SAID, WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE MURAL.

UM, WHAT WAS THE REASON BEHIND THAT? IS IT JUST A PURELY A DESIGN CHOICE, IT WAS TOO BUSY OR WE WANTED TO ADD MORE GLASS OR WHAT, WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT? UM, IT WAS WITH THAT, YEAH.

SO IT WAS, UH, ON, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD WAY TO SHOW YOU THIS, BUT, UH, FOR PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, IT WAS KIND OF THE, THE PART OF THE, THE WALL THAT GOES ABOVE THE COUNCIL DS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE KIND OF GLASS NEXT TO THE CEILING, UH, THERE WAS A MURAL UP THERE.

IT WAS, UH, PARTIALLY, IT, IT LOOKED BUSY.

PARTIALLY IT WAS, WHAT ARE THOSE PICTURES THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'D WANNA PUT IT IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS NO MATTER WHAT.

UM, YEAH.

AND ULTIMATELY WE JUST DECIDED THAT IT WAS A NICER, CLEANER LOOK, UM, TO JUST HAVE A, A SOLID KIND OF MUTED BLUE, UH, PAINT COLOR UP THERE.

YEAH, NO, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, IF THAT AT ALL WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT FOLKS FELT WAS IMPORTANT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF NOT, I AGREE WITH YOU.

IT WAS BUSY TO HAVE, UM, SORT OF THAT PANELING BACK THERE AND THEN TO HAVE A MURAL AND THEN HAVE THE VERTED GLASS.

AND SO IT, IT DID HAVE A LOT GOING ON.

UM, BUT I, I GUESS I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY SORT OF LIKE IMMENSE COMMUNITY SUPPORT BEHIND WHATEVER THAT MURAL MIGHT BE.

IF NOT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD CHANGE, UM, THERE, SO THEN I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO ADDRESS WHETHER, HOW WE, HOW WE ADDRESS THAT, THAT CONCERN.

THERE WASN'T ANY SPECIFIC COMMENT ABOUT KIND OF MURALS AND COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO KIND OF CELEBRATE HISTORY.

AND YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE PRESENTATION THIS SUMMER, UM, IN THE, ON THE WALL IN THE HALLWAY OUTSIDE OF THE NEW RICHARDSON ROOM, WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A MURAL OUT THERE THAT'LL HAVE SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC PHOTOS TOO.

SO THIS ALSO KIND OF SEEMED A LITTLE BIT REPETITIVE, UH, TO THAT MURAL AS WELL.

SO WE DO FEEL LIKE WE, WE COVERED, UM, UH, KIND OF THE MURAL AND THE HISTORY IN THAT, IN THAT WALL OUT THERE THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO REPEAT IT IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.

WATER TO, UH, SORT OF SHIFT AND BE, YOU KNOW, PUSHED OUT TOWARD HARVESTING.

YEAH, THAT'S HELPFUL.

UM, I RECALL THAT, THAT COMMENT AND THAT SORT OF DESIGN ELEMENT AS WELL.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THIS LOOKS BETTER.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S, I DID READ BUSY IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, UM, SO I'M GLAD WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF TWO BIRDS, ONE STONE.

SO THANKS.

THANK YOU, MR. DORIAN, ANOTHER COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MARY.

I JUST WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING BACK ON THE PATIO AREA.

UM, I'VE BEEN TAKING A LOT OF, UH, REFRESH EDUCATIONAL COURSES ON BIOPHILIC AND, UH, GREEN AND SUSTAINABILITY, UH, SUSTAINABILITY DESIGN FOR ROOFTOPS AND, AND HOW THAT'S INTEGRATED TO HARVEST RAINWATER.

UH, TO ADD IN LIGHTING, ADD SOME GREEN SPACE, WHICH YOU CAN USE, YOU CAN USE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND, UH, YOU CAN USE PANEL SYSTEMS DEPENDING ON HOW THE ROOF IS CONSTRUCTED.

THERE'S A POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY OF ADDING, UH, PANEL STRUCTURE AND ALSO FLAT ROOF, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE AGGREGATE CELL.

BUT YOU CAN ALSO RUN THINGS UNDERNEATH.

UH, IT ALSO ALLOWS A MEMBRANE THAT ALLOWS THE

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AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING LIGHTING AND SOME, UH, ATTACHMENTS WHERE WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, COUNCILMAN COHERENT, UH, SUGGESTIONS ON EITHER CELLS OR, UH, UMBRELLAS.

BUT THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO INTEGRATE THAT TO MAKE THAT REALLY WONDERFUL.

CHARLES, COUPLE QUESTIONS.

AND AGAIN, IT COULD BE, IT COULD ALSO BE SET UP ON A DUST TO DAWN, OR IT COULD JUST BE ON AND OFF IF WE DON'T WANNA ELIMINATE THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE NIGHT.

UH, THOSE ARE OPTIONAL, AND IT MAY BE PARTIALLY OPTIONAL, BUT THE MATERIALS AND SOME OF THE, UH, NEW PRODUCTS THAT ARE OUT THERE ALLOW YOU TO COME IN AND RECONFIGURE THOSE, UH, ROOFTOPS NOW AND JUST, AND CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WITH HERBS.

OR IF YOU DID WANT TO PUT SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING OR SOME THINGS OUT THERE, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, STAFF IS, WOULD APPRECIATE BEING INTEGRATED AND JUST SOFTEN THINGS UP AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE, UH, COMFORTABLE.

SO JUST WANNA ADD THAT, JUST CONTINUE EXPLORING SOME OF THE DESIGN OPTIONS.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A PASSION FOR THIS CHARLES, TOO.

SO THOSE ARE SOME REALLY FUN THINGS TO, TO LOOK INTO THAT WOULD REALLY JUST MAKE THAT WONDERFUL.

SO THANK YOU THEN.

THANK YOU, MR. DOAN.

I GUESS SLIDE 13, AND I DON'T MEAN TO PICK ON THIS, BUT I SEE YOU SKIP NUMBER SIX, AND I SEE A NUMBER SIX UP THERE IN THE GREEN AREA.

WHAT DID WE LEAVE OUT? IS THAT THE SEATING AREA? I THINK IT, THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL, WE'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING AREAS UNDER LEADERSHIP GROVE.

UM, IN, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, AND I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN COUNCIL MEMBER, HUTCHIN RIDER THAT HAD COMMENTED IN ALL HIS EXPERIENCES ADDING ON TO THE HOSPITAL AND GROWING AND SO FORTH IN THIS DESIGN, OR WE IN A POSITION WHERE WE COULD COME BACK AND ADD A WING OR ADD ANOTHER FLOOR.

DID WE INCLUDE THAT IN THIS? UM, SO, SO WHERE WE LANDED IS, IS MOST LIKELY IF THE BUILDING NEEDS TO EXPAND, IT WOULD EXPAND EAST AND WE WOULD JUST KIND OF TAKE THIS WHOLE THING AND PUSH IT THAT WAY.

SO THAT WAS FACTORED IN? YES, YES.

AWESOME.

UM, THOSE ARE MY ONLY TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK, UH, Y'ALL HAVE WORKED OVERTIME TO GET US INTO A GREAT, GREAT SPOT, AND I THINK YOU'RE ABILITY TO SAVE MONEY, IT, IT SHOWS OUR CITIZENS THAT WE ARE CONSCIOUS OF WHAT WE ARE SPENDING, HOW WE'RE SPENDING IT, AND DOING OUR BEST TO STAY WITHIN THOSE REALMS. AND, UM, I THINK FROM EVERYTHING I'M SEEING, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A NO BRAINER.

I'D SAY.

LET'S MOVE ON.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

ONE QUESTION.

GO.

DO WE HAVE EMERGENCY GENERATION ON THIS BUILDING? YES.

UM, IT'S, IT'S BACK HERE.

DOES IT COVER WHOLE BUILDING? WHOLE BUILDING.

THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS.

UM, CHERYL'S ON THE SLIDE MIRROR WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT 13.

I MEANT TO ASK THIS EARLIER.

WHAT'S NEW COMPANY SWITCH NUMBER NINE.

WHERE IS THAT? THE NEW COMPANY SWITCH? IT, IT'S LOCATED OVER HERE.

IT'S A, IT'S A PIECE OF ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, HELPS US BRING MORE POWER TO THE SITE WHEN WE NEED IT.

AGAIN, FOR THINGS LIKE EVENTS, WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MUCH TEMPORARY GENERATORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, QUESTION ON THE TIMELINE MM-HMM .

ON SLIDE 20.

SO WHERE WERE WE ORIGINALLY? WE WERE THINKING MOVE IN FALL OF 2026.

IS, AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY? SO WE JUST PUSHED IT BACK OF MAYBE THREE, FOUR MONTHS.

UM, IN, IN THE, THE PREVIOUS SCHEDULE IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS STILL THE END OF, OF 27.

SO IT, IT MAY HAVE SLIPPED A, A, A MONTH OR TWO.

PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUATION OF ZONING FILE 24 25, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT AT 5 0 8 CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD.

UM, BUT, BUT LARGELY ABOUT THE SAME.

THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE.

ANY OTHER THING FROM YOU? THANK YOU.

[7. CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-25, AREQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT ON A 0.85-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED O/C OFFICE/COMMERCIAL WITHIN A 3,000-SQUARE FOOT EXISTING LEASE SPACE LOCATED AT 508 CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD, WEST OF AUDELIA ROAD. ]

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANKS, MAYOR.

BACK ON DECEMBER 9TH, UH, YOU VOTED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ENGAGE WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORS, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED.

UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, UH, DEREK IS GONNA, UH, JUST DO A BRIEF SUMMARY OF, UH, THE, UH, PRESENTATION AND FACTS THAT WERE

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PRESENTED ON DECEMBER 9TH.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

SO MAYOR, WHAT I SUGGEST IS, UH, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO TAKING PUBLIC HEARING, ALLOW THE APPLICANT, UH, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, UH, AND THEN YOU CAN, UH, TRANSITION TO TAKING THE PUBLIC INPUT FROM, UH, UH, VISITORS WHO WISH TO SPEAK.

MENU BOARD AGAINST THE BUILDING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR DAWN.

SO THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 25.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE AT 5 0 8 CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD.

THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTENNIAL, WEST OF ELIA ROAD AND EAST OF WHITEHALL DRIVE.

THE SITE IS ZONED OFFICE COMMERCIAL.

THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS TO THE WEST IS THE WALGREENS PHARMACY.

AND TO THE SOUTH OF THIS SITE IS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH ATTACHED TOWN HOMES THAT IS KNOWN AS THE TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM.

SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND OVERALL, THIS IS THE SAME PLAN THAT YOU SAW BEFORE.

IT IS NOW JUST SHOWING ONE MENU BOARD.

UM, SO THIS TO RE REFRESH YOU ON THE SITE, THE SITE IS 0.8 ACRES.

THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING.

IT'S 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S, UH, HAS A DEMISING LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE.

THERE'S AN OFFICE ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND THE RIGHT SIDE IS A VACANT SUITE SPACE THAT IS 3000 SQUARE FEET THAT THE RESTAURANT INTENDS TO OCCUPY.

SO THE RESTAURANT IS RAZ COFFEE HOUSE.

THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM AND THEY EXPECT THEIR PEAK HOURS TO BE IN THE MORNINGS FOR MORNING COMMUTERS BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 9:00 AM THERE ARE 51 PARKING SPACES ON SITE.

SO, TO REMIND YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND ON THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR, PRIOR TO 2018, THIS SITE WAS IN A ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWED DRIVE-THROUGH DRIVE-THROUGHS BY RIGHT.

UH, IN, IN PRIOR TO 2018, THERE WAS A DRY CLEANER IN THIS SUITE SPACE THAT OFFERED DRIVE-UP SERVICE.

THEY VACATED THE SUITE SPACE IN 2017.

AND AROUND THAT TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT, WHO WAS ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT TIME, UH, WAS APPROACHED BY A PROSPECTIVE TENANT TO OFF TO OPEN A COFFEE SHOP AT THAT TIME IN 2018.

SO SINCE IT WAS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, THEY WENT THROUGH THE STANDARD SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCEDURES, AND THEY WENT ON TO IMPROVE THEIR SITE TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL DRIVE THROUGH LANE, ADDITIONAL PARKING AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

UM, THAT TENANT FELL THROUGH FOR THE APPLICANT, AND THE SPACE WAS NOT OCCUPIED BY ANYONE AND HAS NOT BEEN OCCUPIED SINCE THAT TIME.

UM, SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE SITE WAS IMPROVED.

LATER IN THE YEAR, IN 2018, THE SITE WAS REZONED, AND IT'S NOW WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR DRIVE THROUGH.

AND, UH, BECAUSE THE TENANT NEVER OCCUPIED THE SPACE AND NEVER ESTABLISHED THE USE, THOSE RIGHTS FOR THE USE WERE DEEMED ABANDONED AFTER A PERIOD OF 180 DAYS.

SO NOW A SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED.

SO THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS THE FIRST ONE SEEN FROM CENTENNIAL, AND THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THIS PHOTO IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE MENU BOARD WOULD BE LOCATED.

THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN SHOWING THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS, WHICH IS LOCATED OFFSITE ON THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, ONE TO THE EAST AND ONE TO THE WEST.

THIS ALSO SHOWS THAT 10 CARS CAN STACK IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES, AND 14 CARS CAN STACK ON SITE.

IN TOTAL.

THIS IS A PICTURE LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

UM, YOU'LL ALSO SEE IN THIS PICTURE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS A SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL.

ALSO IN FRONT OF THAT SCREENING, WHILE YOU MAY SEE A SMALL SHRUB ROW THAT RUNS ALONG THE FRONT OF IT, UM, I BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE THIS IS SOME, AN AREA THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY HAS LOOKED AT TO POTENTIALLY ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING, POTENTIALLY LARGER, TALLER, DENSER LANDSCAPING MATERIALS.

HOWEVER, THERE'S A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLANT ANY TALLER LANDSCAPE TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT WOULD HAVE DEEPER ROOT SYSTEMS. ALSO, ON THIS SLIDE, I HAVE A CLIP OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR NOISE AND, UM, FOUND IN OUR NUISANCE SECTION OF THE CODE.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WOULD REFERENCE FOR ONSITE, UH, NOISE LEVELS IN THE DECIBELS THAT ARE ALLOWED ON SITE.

SINCE THE LAST MEETING ON DECEMBER 9TH, THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO THE HOA BOARD FOR THE TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM, AND THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT, BOTH THE HOA BOARD MEMBER AND THE APPLICANT.

SO THEY CAN SPEAK TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS A LITTLE MORE.

UH, BUT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY TO UPDATE THE PLAN IS THAT INSTEAD OF SHOWING TWO MENU BOARDS, YOU NOW JUST SEE ONE

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THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO COMMITTED TO UTILIZING THE STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY FOR THE SPEAKER AUDIO SYSTEM, WHICH IS CALLED THE DELPHI DISPLAY SYSTEM, UM, OR AN EQUIVALENT SPEAKER TECHNOLOGY THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO USING.

SO AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 19TH, THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL SIX TO ONE.

ALSO, AT THE TIME, THE CITY HAD RECEIVED 13 PUBLIC COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION, UH, AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON DECEMBER 9TH, WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO CONTINUE THE MEETING.

TO TONIGHT, WE'VE RECEIVED ONE MORE PIECE OF OPPOSITION, UH, AND THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

THAT'S THE, THE PRESENTATION SLIDE DECK FROM THE HOA.

AND THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT, AND THEY MAY REVIEW THAT WITH YOU.

AND THE LAST SLIDE LISTS THEIR CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE AND WHY THEY'RE STILL IN OPPOSITION.

AND FINALLY, TONIGHT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION, YOU MAY APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED OR WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST.

AND AS IN A CONDITION THAT YOU MAY ADD, AS I MENTIONED, WAS, UH, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO LIMIT THE MENU BOARD TO JUST ONE, ONE MENU BOARD WITH THAT SPECIFIC, UH, DELPHI AUDIO SPEAKER SYSTEM.

SO THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AS A CONDITION AS WELL.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, ERICA, THAT'S AWESOME.

WELL, WE MAY ASK YOU TO COME BACK UP.

LET'S SEE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD ANYTHING.

WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED FROM OUR LAST MEETING TO THIS MEETING, IF HE, WE COULD FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE.

RESPECTED MAYOR, RESPECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS.

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

UM, I, UH, REACHED OUT TO, UH, TO DEREK TO ASK HER FOR, UM, A CONTACT FOR THE HOA PRESIDENT.

UM, I RECEIVED A CONTACT, EMAILED MULTIPLE TIMES.

I DID NOT HEAR BACK.

AND THEN I REACHED OUT TO, UH, ANOTHER, UH, PERSON WHO, UM, UH, I, I'M ASSUMING APPROVED, UH, US REACHING OUT TO THEM, UH, A A RESIDENT OF THE TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM, WHO ALSO I BELIEVE IS ON THE BOARD.

UH, I MET WITH, UM, THIS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD ON FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK AFTER ABOUT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS OF NOT HEARING BACK FROM, UH, WHO, WHO WE THOUGHT WAS THE HOA PRESIDENT.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HOA.

AND, UH, WE HAD A GREAT MEETING.

IT WAS ABOUT 45 MINUTES TO 50 MINUTES IN MY OFFICE, A AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE CONCERNS AS AS POSSIBLE.

AND IT WAS MADE CLEAR THAT, UH, THE HOA OR, OR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION, UM, DON'T, UM, THE, THE, THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS, IS NOISE FROM, FROM THE, UH, MENU SYSTEM OR THE SPEAKER SYSTEM.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ASSURED THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENFORCING AS A LANDLORD AND WE'RE EVEN WILLING TO PUT IT IN WRITING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE USING A STATE-OF-THE-ART SYSTEM THAT PROJECTS SOUND DIRECTLY INTO A VEHICLE THAT DOESN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, PROJECT SOUND BEYOND THE VEHICLE.

UH, I ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED THE, UH, MEMBER OF THE BOARD TO VISIT A, UH, RAZ LOCATION IN LEWISVILLE THAT RECENTLY OPENED, THAT USES THE SAME MENU BOARD SYSTEM WITH THE SAME SOUND SYSTEM THAT, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE USED.

UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE ABLE TO, TO VISIT, UH, THAT SITE, BUT I ACTUALLY VISITED IT TODAY, AND I VISITED IT, UH, AT FOUR O'CLOCK, AROUND 4, 4 30, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO, UH, TO CAPTURE A, UH, A VEHICLE, UM, GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH WHEN I WAS THERE, IT WAS FOUR O'CLOCK.

I DON'T KNOW WHO DRINKS COFFEE AT FOUR.

UH, BUT, UH, PROBABLY WHY THERE WAS NOBODY THERE.

BUT I DID CALL THE LOCATION AND I SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M DEALING WITH A SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER HARASS LOCATION ONCE TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.

DO YOU MIND IF I, UM, YOU KNOW, PARK ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH, CALL IT 20, 30 FEET TH YOU KNOW, UH, AWAY FROM, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, SPEAKER SYSTEM.

CAN YOU JUST TALK INTO IT? I, I JUST WANNA SEE IF I COULD HEAR IT.

AND, UH, I ACTUALLY RECORDED VIDEO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, OR WHAT DID I SEND IT TOO LATE, DEREK? I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO SHOW IT TO ANYONE THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.

BUT, UH, I, I, I COULD ONLY HEAR THE SOUND FROM THE SPEAKER ABOUT 15 FEET AWAY.

UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE DISTANCE OF WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE MENU BOARD AND THE, UH, SPEAKER'S, YOU KNOW, UM, PA SYSTEM TO THE BRICK WALL THAT BORDERS OUR PROPERTY BETWEEN THE TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM AND OUR PROPERTIES ABOUT 80 FEET FROM OUR MINI BOARD, OUR PROPOSED MINI BOARD TO THE CLOSEST TOWN HOME IS PROBABLY 115 FEET.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO HEAR, UH, WHAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, HAVE

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TO SAY IN ADDITION TO THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH, UH, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD.

BUT FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, NOISE WAS THEIR REALLY ONLY CONCERN.

UM, AND I, I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM AT ALL.

UH, AND WITH THIS SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, THE TENANT TO USE, UM, IT, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A NUISANCE.

AND I ALSO, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE RESIDENTS THAT MY FATHER AND I WHO OWN THIS BUILDING, WE'RE NOT AN INSTITUTIONAL LANDLORD.

WE DON'T OWN A HUNDRED PROPERTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WE OWN FOUR PROPERTIES, DFW, ONE OF WHICH IS IN RICHARDSON, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT I OCCUPY.

I GAVE HIM MY CELL PHONE NUMBER.

I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN RICHARDSON.

WE ARE HERE.

THIS IS OUR HOME.

I LIVE A MILE AND A HALF AWAY.

MY FATHER LIVES A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS OR IF THIS, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY POTEN POSSIBLY GETS APPROVED, WE'RE ONE PHONE CALL AWAY TO, TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.

I, I'M ALSO MENTIONED TO HIM THAT WHEN WE FIRST DEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY, WE HAD, UH, RAB LIGHTS.

IT'S A BRAND THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE AND VERY, UM, UH, LIFETIME WARRANTY, REALLY, REALLY NICE LIGHTS THAT, UM, PROJECTED LIGHT ONTO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVED BEHIND US.

AND, UH, NONE OF THEM COMPLAINED TO THE CITY, BUT A COUPLE OF THEM CAME BY AND SAID, HEY, YOUR LIGHTS ARE REALLY KEEPING US UP AT NIGHT.

EVEN WITH OUR BLINDS CLOSED, WE CAN JUST SEE LIGHT PEELING THROUGH.

WE DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

WE DIDN'T KEEP IT AS IS.

WE REPLACED ALL OF THOSE LIGHTS WITH DOWNLIGHTS, UH, JUST TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, SHOW THEM THAT WE REALLY DO CARE.

WE'RE NOT HERE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, BRING A TENANT AND MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY.

WE, WE, WE HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD PROBABLY BRING IN MORE INCOME.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S BRINGING A GREAT COFFEE SHOP TO RICHARDSON THAT WITH THEIR CORPORATE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THE WAY, THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'RE GOING IN, UH, WANT ALL THEIR LOCATIONS IN TEXAS IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S A CONTINGENCY IN OUR LEASE.

SO, MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE IF THEY NEED ANYTHING OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED A CONCERN, HAPPY TO BE, YOU KNOW, A RESOURCE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY.

UM, AND, UM, I, I THOUGHT THE MEETING WENT WELL.

I WAS VERY SURPRISED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I I I, I REALLY WAS HONESTLY EXPECTING THEIR SUPPORT, BUT I'M, I'M SURPRISED THAT THEY'RE STILL IN OPPOSITION.

BUT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, FURTHER RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS IF I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO.

IF YOU DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU WILL, PLEASE TAKE A SEAT AND WE MAY ASK YOU TO COME BACK IF NEEDED.

MS. BROWN, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US? WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MAYOR MATTHEW DANNER, OR DAHMER DANNER.

DANNER DANNER.

YES, MA'AM.

MATTHEW, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

UH, MY NAME IS JAMES MATTHEW DANNER.

I LIVE AT 8 32 ROHAN DRIVE, UH, UM, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE IN THE TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM.

I'M THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE HOA.

I KNOW THERE WAS, SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS SOME MIX UP AS FAR AS WHO THEY WERE TRYING TO CONTACT.

AND SO I DO THINK THEY, THEY CONTACTED IN GOOD FAITH, I WAS ABLE TO, UH, HEARD FROM THEM LAST WEEK.

AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO SIT DOWN.

AND THEN AFTER OUR DISCUSSION, I DID REACH BACK OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THEN TRIED TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND THEN DID SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, RESEARCH ON MY OWN.

AND SO I KIND OF, THE, THE POWERPOINT, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN PRINTED OUT FOR EVERYONE IS KIND OF WHAT WE SUMMARIZES SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.

AND I CAN KIND OF JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH IT REAL QUICKLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, WE LOOKED AT WAS, WELL, THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT A HARASS FROM RIGHT NEXT TO US WHEN WE'RE RIGHT OVER THAT, THAT WALL.

AND I WAS ABLE TO FIND 15 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, TWO OF WHICH DID HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS.

AND THEY ARE LIKE, I SEE INDICATED THEY ARE HERE IN TEXAS.

ONE IS IN LOUISVILLE.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO ONE IS DOWN IN PFLUGERVILLE, TEXAS.

SO OF THOSE TWO, LOUISVILLE'S, THE ONLY, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, PFLUGERVILLE WAS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY HAD A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO A HOMEOWNER, UH, COMMUNITY.

SO ON THE, ON THE THIRD SLIDE, THAT'S THE PFLUGERVILLE LOCATION, WE WERE ABLE TO NOTICE THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH SPACE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TWO WALLS.

SO WHEN YOU, LIKE, I KNOW THE ONE THAT SHE WAS SHOWING A MINUTE AGO, YOU HAD THAT ONE WALL THAT YOU COULDN'T BUILD UP HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT IN THIS CASE WHERE THEY DID HAVE A DIRECT CORRELATION WITH 'EM.

THERE WAS ENOUGH SPACE TO PUT TWO WALLS.

AND THEN THE LEWISVILLE LOCATION, WHICH SHE MENTIONED THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT IT IS A, YOU KNOW, THE CLOSEST HOMEOWNER ONE IS ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M SORRY,

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IS ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.

AND THERE'S A BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT AN APPLES TO APPLES OF, WELL, HOW WAS THIS IMPACT THE NOISE TO OUR COMMUNITY? AND SO HE DID INDICATE THAT, WELL, THE SPEAKERS THERE MAY BE TURNED UP A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE FACT YOU HAVE THE 1 21 AND ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

SO FOR ME, THAT WOULDN'T JUSTIFY MY TIME TO DRIVE THERE IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE AT THE LEVEL AT WHICH OUR, THAT'S FEEDING INTO OUR HOME OR INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO, UH, AGAIN, SO OUT OF THE 15 LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, WE FOUND THAT TWO OF THEM HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS, THE REST OF THEM DID NOT.

UH, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT SHE SHOWED.

IT'S JUST SHOWING THE PROXIMITY TO OUR LOCATION, YOU KNOW, THEIR BUILDING AND THEN OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THEN THE, THE, THE OTHER SLIDE AFTER THAT, UM, DURING THE CPC MEETING BACK IN NOVEMBER, I KNOW WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, WELL, THERE'S A BRAHMS AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, A SONIC THAT ALSO HAVE UTILIZED, UH, SPEAKERS.

SO I WANTED TO SHOW THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED AND HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY BORDERING THE HOCKEY CENTER.

AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY CORRELATED TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE, THEIR, THEIR FACILITY, UH, WHICH, AND THEN RIGHT OVER THE WALL, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO JUST KIND OF AT A, AT A HIGH LEVEL, JUST TO SUMMARIZE OUR CONCERNS, WE'RE ONLY AT, WE'RE ONLY OPPOSED TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH.

WE'RE NOT AT ALL OPPOSED TO THE, TO HAVING A COFFEE SHOP NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING CENTENNIAL, IF YOU JUST GO DOWN ABOUT A QUARTER MILE OR HALF A MILE DOWN TO GREENVILLE, YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE TWO REALLY GOOD COFFEE SHOPS, AND THEN RIGHT THERE AT BRICK ROW, YOU HAVE A THIRD.

NONE OF THOSE HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS.

I MEAN, SO I MEAN, SO, AND THEY'RE ALL SEEM TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.

AND SO WE'RE NOT BY DOING, BY, BY OUR, OUR REQUEST, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE IMPOSING ON THE, THEY'RE KIND OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL BECAUSE AGAIN, 13 OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE 15 DO NOT HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS.

IT'S A, IT'S ONLY TWO OUT OF 15 THAT HAVE THE DRIVE-THROUGHS.

AND WE'RE ASKING NOT TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE OF, OF THE CLOSE PROXIMITY.

AND AS HE DID INDICATE, OUR CONCERN IS THE NOISE.

UM, IT IS A PRE CLOSE PROXIMITY RELATIVE TO THE OTHER HARA LOCATIONS.

UH, AND, AND, AND RELATIVE TO THE, THE BRAHMS RIGHT THERE ON THE CATTY CORNER AND THE CO THE SONIC, THOSE ARE NOT NEARLY AS CLOSE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE SLIDE SHOW SLIDE DECK INDICATED THAT IT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN A, A DRIVE THROUGH BACK IN 2017, UH, FOR A, FOR A DRY CLEANER.

AND THAT'S TRUE.

UH, BUT DRY CLEANERS DON'T OPERATE TILL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

AND THE DRY CLEANERS DON'T HAVE SPEAKER SYSTEMS. YOU DON'T ORDER YOUR DRY THREE DRY CLEANING IN THAT WAY.

YOU DRIVE UP, YOU DROP IT OFF, OR YOU DRIVE UP AND YOU PICK IT UP.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF APPLES TO ORANGES IN OUR OPINION.

AND AGAIN, I, I THINK WE SAID THAT SHE INDICATED, I THINK THERE WAS 13, UH, UH, I, I, I KNEW IT WAS OVER 10% OF OUR HOMEOWNERS HAD, HAD SUBMITTED, UH, A PROTEST BEFORE THE LAST CPC MEETING.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT THAT HAS US WORRIED IS THE PRECEDENT THAT IT SETS, THAT IT SET THAT POTENTIALLY SETS.

'CAUSE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A, FOR A THING RELATIVE TO THEIR HARASSED COFFEE RIGHT NEXT TO IT BETWEEN THE WALGREENS AND THEIR BUILDING.

THERE'S A PLOT OF LAND, WHICH I THINK THEY INDICATED IS CURRENTLY OWNED, OWNED BY WALGREENS.

SO IF THAT WERE AT SOME POINT WERE TO GET SOLD, SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO DEVELOP IT, WHAT'S TO STOP THEM FROM THE NEW PERSON COMING IN, PUTTING IN ANOTHER BUSINESS WITH A, WITH A, WITH A, WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.

'CAUSE AT THAT POINT, THEY CAN SAY, BUT LOOK, THE, THAT THE BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO US HAS A DRIVE THROUGH.

AND THEN THE BUILDING ACROSS FOR THE, THE, THE BRAHMS HAS A DRIVE THROUGH.

SO THEIR BUILDING, AND THIS LOT WOULD BE THE MOST DIRECT, YOU KNOW, WALL BUSINESS TOWNS OF BUCKINGHAM.

THE OTHER ONES ARE KIND OF FURTHER AWAY.

SO WE'RE JUST AFRAID OF THAT PRECEDENT.

'CAUSE IF, IF WE ALLOW IT HERE, THEN THE NEXT BUSINESS IS GONNA WANNA OPEN IT AS WELL.

AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, BUT LOOK, HARASS HAS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE A DRIVE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH.

WHY CAN'T WE? AND SO OVERALL, IT'S JUST HOW DOES THIS, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HAVING CARS COMING AT NINE O'CLOCK, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, ORDERING COFFEE, AND THEN POTENTIALLY THE NOISE.

AGAIN, I DON'T, WE'RE, WE'RE SPECULATING HOW GREAT THIS DELPHI SYSTEM WILL BE, AND MAYBE IT WILL BE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF TAKING IT THAT MAYBE IT'S GONNA WORK.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT WHEN IT BREAKS? ARE THEY GONNA BE REQUIRED TO REPLACE IT WITH THE SAME ONE OR EVEN THAT COMPANY, IF ANOTHER PERSON DEVELOPS THAT PLOT OF PLOT OF LAND NEXT TO IT, ARE THEY GONNA BE REQUIRED? I MEAN, YES, MAYBE THEY'RE WORKING, THEY'RE WORKING IN GOOD FAITH, AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT, BUT THE NEXT ONE ISN'T GONNA BE REQUIRED TO PUT A DELPHI.

THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WE'RE PUTTING UP A, YOU KNOW, A DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE THIS, THIS OTHER COMPANY HAS IT AND THEY'RE RIGHT.

AND THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME TYPE OF LOCATION.

SO THAT'S, THANK YOU.

WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO GO AHEAD AND WRAP UP.

NO, WE HAD A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY, SO WE'RE JUST A TAD OVER.

SO PLEASE WRAP UP.

OH, NO, NO, THAT WAS WRAP UP.

THAT'S ALL I HAD, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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UM, MS. BROWN, WE, I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR.

MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK, AND THEN AFTER, WOULD YOU, UH, GET WITH MS. BROWN TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD? SURE.

MY NAME IS ZAHAR ALKI.

I'M IN 8 25 DARTFORD.

I WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THE GREAT JOB YOU'RE DOING.

THE BIKE TRAILS ON GREENVILLE ARE TERRIFIC.

I WALK THE CITY, I BIKE IT.

I LOVE IT.

REALLY.

UM, LIKE JUST SITTING IN THE MEETING AND SEEING HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GO THROUGH ALL THE WASTE MANAGEMENT PLANS, THE NEW CITY HALL, ECO-FRIENDLY, RAINWATER HARVESTING, INSTALLATION, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.

I WANNA SEE ALL THIS EVERYWHERE IN RICHARDSON, REALLY.

BUT I DON'T WANT RICHARDSON TO BE THE ONLY CITY OR ONE OF THE TWO CITIES ALLOWING DRIVE THROUGH FOR THIS COFFEE SHOP.

WE WANT THE COFFEE SHOP, IT'S FINE, BUT NOT THE DRIVE THROUGH.

I'M GONNA GO QUICKLY WHY THE DRIVE THROUGH PICKUP DELIVERY IS 2025 IS NOT 1950S ANYMORE.

ALL THE CITIES IN THE US, ALL THE TOWNS ARE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MORE WALKABLE, MORE FRIENDLY, NOT DRIVE-THROUGHS.

UM, I ORDER MY MEALS AT CHIPOTLE, I GO PICK IT UP.

I GET OUTTA MY CAR, I DO A FEW STEPS, YOU KNOW, KNOW IT'S GOOD TO MOVE.

UM, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.

I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT ANYTHING THAT MATT HAS SAID, BUT YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, I, I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT.

I HONESTLY DON'T, A SMALL COMPANY CAN JUST DO AN ORDER DELIVERY SYSTEM AND THEY PROBABLY GENERATE MORE PROFIT THAT WAY.

NONE OF THE BUSINESSES ON CENTENNIAL HAVE DRIVE THROUGH SIMILAR BUSINESSES, LIKE ALL THE DESSERT AND COFFEE PLACES.

THEY DON'T.

AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND THEY'RE PROFITABLE, OBVIOUSLY.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY, AND THIS IS JUST GONNA OPEN UP A LOT MORE PROBLEMS LATER.

BASICALLY, I DON'T WANT THIS IN MY BACKYARD.

AND I'LL ASK YOU, DO YOU GUYS, WOULD YOU GUYS WANT IT IN YOURS? AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

IS THERE ANY, ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IS WANTING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? OKAY.

I'D LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

PLEASE WAIT A MINUTE.

CAN I RESPOND? YOU SURE.

MAY.

WHILE, WHILE, THANK YOU AGAIN.

UH, WHILE I CAN'T, UH, SPEAK ON, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE PRECEDENT THAT A DECISION LIKE THIS MAKES, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND, UH, A A FEW POINTS.

UM, I, UH, I, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THAT THERE WERE A FEW MISTAKES IN, UH, DEREK'S PRESENTATION AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE OF, UH, HOW, HOW THINGS WENT ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION, THE SIGNING OF A TENANT, UH, LEASE AND, AND SO ON.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POTENTIAL NEW DRIVE THROUGH THAT CAN POSSIBLY COME NEXT DOOR, UH, ON A VACANT PIECE OF LAND THAT'S OWNED BY WALGREENS THAT WILL PROBABLY STAY, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDEVELOPED FOR A WHILE UNTIL SOMEBODY PURCHASES A WALGREENS.

BUT, UH, WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND DEVELOPED IT AND EXPANDED IT, THE PAVEMENT WORK THAT WE DID TO INCLUDE THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS DONE BEFORE WE EVEN HAD A TENANT.

WE DIDN'T DO THIS WORK BASED ON HAVING A TENANT.

WE DID THIS WORK WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ONCE IT IS DEVELOPED TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, THAT IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE A DRIVE THROUGH FOREVER.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CODE CHANGE THAT WE, WE KNEW THERE WAS A CODE CHANGE THAT WAS COMING.

WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT OUR PROPERTY IF IT HAD ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AT THE TIME.

SO AS ANY SMART BUSINESS PERSON OR DEVELOPER WOULD DO, WE MADE THE DECISION TO SPEND 150 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO THE WORK THAT WE DID TO PAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH AT THE TIME, EXPECTING IT TO BE ALLOWED TO BE USED AS A DRIVE-THROUGH FOR, FOR A WHILE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A TENANT AT THE TIME, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

WE SIGNED A TENANT ABOUT A YEAR LATER, AND THAT TENANT PAID US RENT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS AND STOPPED PAYING US RENT IN JANUARY OF 2024.

WE DID NOT KNOW, AND WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR PERMIT OR THEIR TIMELINE LAPSED THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.

AND I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE WHEN COMPARING A POTENTIAL NEW DRIVE THROUGH WHERE A DEVELOPER CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY DO THE WORK TO BUILD A DRIVE-THROUGH BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY INVEST THE MONEY, COMPARED TO A SITUATION LIKE OURS WHERE WE ALREADY INVESTED THE MONEY AND WE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY, AND IT'S A DRIVE-THROUGH.

AND ANY WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW POST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TO, TO MAKE IT ANYTHING BUT A DRIVE-THRU THROUGH IS AN A COST THAT WE INCUR.

NOW AGAIN, WE TOTALLY RESPECT THE OPINIONS OF THE NEIGHBORS.

WE ABSOLUTELY

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DO.

AND WE, WE DEEPLY CARE.

UH, AND I THINK US MEETING THEM AND US, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK AGAIN TO PRESENT OUR CASE, UH, HOPE THAT'S VERY CLEAR, THAT WE ABSOLUTELY DO CARE, UM, NOISE, WHICH AGAIN, IS THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS NOT GONNA BE A CONCERN.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO SHARE.

ANOTHER OPTION THAT THEY MADE THAT DRIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING, FROM SEVEN TO SEVEN, IF SOME, THERE'S SOMETHING, UH, COULD BE DONE.

THIS TIME I'D BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MR. HUTCHIN RIDER.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. CORCORAN.

A SECOND.

WE GOT A MOTION TO SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.

THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

ANY COUNSEL? ANY COMMENTS? MR. SCHUEL? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, YEAH, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS.

FEW OBSERVATION, UH, YOU KNOW, WALGREEN HAS A DRIVE THROUGH AND, UH, I PICK UP MY MEDICINE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH.

AND THAT DRIVE THROUGH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE, UM, ANY PARKING ALONG THAT SIDE.

SO FOR PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND DRIVE THROUGH, YOU COULD UNFORTUNATELY SO CLOSE, YOU CAN PROBABLY EVEN, UH, SEE THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

AND I'M SURE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, HEARING SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY'RE ORDERING MEDICINE.

WHAT WENT, UH, THAT'S, SO WALGREEN HAS, I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME, BUT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED THERE.

UH, AND, UH, BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT LIKE THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT CAN HAVE THE COFFEE SHOP WITHOUT COUNCILS ANYWHERE.

IT COULD HAVE THE SMOKE SHOP IF THEY WANT TO.

AND THOSE ARE ALL THE OPTIONS, VERY MUCH POPULAR IN THIS AREA.

SO I DO HAVE SERIOUS CONCERN THAT IF WE HAVE SOME OTHER BUSINESS THAT COMES IN THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR PERMISSION.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR'S PERMISSION.

UH, AND OF COURSE, END OF THE DAY BUSINESS IS BUSINESS OWNERS WILL THING WAS THEY CAN MAXIMIZE TO GET THE RETURN FROM THE PROPERTY.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I DO, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SENSE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M SERIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THINKING THAT THAT THING WOULD NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, BE COMFORTABLE FOR ANYONE.

I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE ANY OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT WOULD DISTURB IN THE AREA.

NOW, UH, THE DRIVE-THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS THING, UH, IT'S ALREADY BUILT AND, UH, AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE NOT USING THE SECOND DRIVE-THROUGH.

IF WE CAN PUT A RESTRICTION THAT NO SECOND, NO, UM, NO OTHER THINGS.

AND THIS PLACE, I KNOW I'VE BEEN TO THIS PLACE IN OTHER, OTHER LOCATION, IT'S VERY POPULAR.

MAINLY PEOPLE USE THAT.

THEY GO INSIDE THE STORE.

THE COFFEE IS GREAT, UH, AND UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IF ALL GOES GREAT, I THINK IF WE CAN PUT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALLY WANNA DRINK COFFEE AT NIGHT, IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY MAINLY USED IN THE MORNING.

SEVEN O'CLOCK DON'T HAVE MUCH CHOICE, DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE IN THE MORNING, AND THE PEOPLE WHO GOES IN THE STORE, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO LIKE SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING FOR COFFEE, SOME OF THEM.

AND, UH, BUT I THINK THAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE MOSTLY, IF THE OWNER CAN CONFIRM THAT WOULD BE MORE DURING THE MORNING TIME, MAYBE THE EVENING TIME, UH, IF THERE IS A NOISE CODE, ENFORCEMENT CAN TAKE CARE OF IT, UH, TO TURN THE SOUND DOWN.

IF, IF THAT CALL COULD, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S AN ISSUE.

SO THERE IS A WAY TO HANDLE THAT.

UH, OR IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE OWNER AGREE, THEN WE CAN PROBABLY PUT RESTRICTION THAT AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING, A DRIVE THROUGH COULD BE CLOSED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING AGREEABLE FOR THEM TO PROTECT THE HOMEOWNERS IF THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, TROUBLE THAT HOMEOWNER CAN FEEL.

SO THERE IS A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP BOTH SIDE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO SEE WHAT BEST FOR EVERYONE.

AND, UH, THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE SUFFER FOR ANYTHING.

UH, THE OWNER LIVES IN VI THE NEIGHBORS LIVES RIGHT THERE.

SO, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I THINK LIMITING THE DRIVE THROUGH TO ONE LANE, UH, REDUCING THE NOISE FROM THE SYSTEM, AND MAYBE IF THE OWNER WOULD, YOU KNOW, COME AND SAY THAT.

AND IF YOU ALL AGREE, AND IF YOU THINK THAT'S

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BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE SOME TIME, I WOULD GO WALGREEN TONIGHT TO PICK UP MY MEDICINE, UH, THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH.

AND I PREFER THAT DRIVE THROUGH TO PICK UP MY MEDICINE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO GO INSIDE, UH, TO GET THE MEDICINE WHEN I GO HOME AT NIGHT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE LINES ARE HUGE FOR WALGREEN, AND THEY ARE VERY SLOW.

I, I, I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES COMPLAINING TO THE, UH, THEIR HEADQUARTERS BECAUSE, UH, BUT WHEN I GO TO THE WINDOW, I REALIZE THAT HOW HARD THEY ARE WORKING AND I FORGIVE, I, YOU KNOW, I EVEN DON'T THINK ABOUT COMPLAINING ANYMORE.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A CHALLENGE FOR, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER BUSINESS NOW.

SO THAT'S MY THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS.

UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, DEREK OR ANY OTHER STAFF, DID WE HAVE ANY DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH, WITH THESE TOWN HOMES? OR WAS IT ALL JUST THEM TWO TO COMMUNICATE? OH, ONCE WE ESTABLISHED THE CORRECT POINT OF CONTACT, IT WAS MAINLY THE, UH, APPLICANT.

SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD OTHER THAN COMMENTS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW BIG IS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW MANY DOORS DOES THAT AND IS THAT ACCURATE? 10% AS IT'S 80 UNITS, BUT THE PEOPLE NOTIFIED ARE ONLY IS AT RADIUS, THE 200 FEET, THEY'RE 80 UNITS.

WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE BACK AND FORTH AT THIS TIME.

THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.

SO STAFF CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR US.

THERE ARE 80 UNITS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT, IN THE PORTION OF THOSE UNITS WERE IN THE NOTIFICATION ZONE.

ALRIGHT.

I, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M, I MEAN THIS IS THE PART WHERE WE ALL TALK THROUGH THIS.

I'M, I'M ON THE FENCE ON THIS ONE.

UH, PART OF ME SAYS, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M NOT A FAN OF DRIVE-THROUGHS IN GENERAL.

UM, BUT IF THERE'S GONNA BE ONE, THIS MIGHT BE THE ONE I'D, I'D SAY YES TO.

UM, BUT I, AND THE ONLY REASON BEING IS IT'S TIED TO, IT'S BUILT AND IT'S TIED TO THIS AND NOT PERMANENT USE FOR OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF THIS BUSINESS GOES DOWN, IT'S NOT TIED TO A FEATURE BUSINESS, IT'S JUST TIED TO THIS BUSINESS SPECIFICALLY.

UM, I, I'M, I DON'T KNOW, I, I GOTTA CHEW ON THIS ONE.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS.

'CAUSE I'M, I'M CHEWING ON IT AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE MR. CORCORAN.

THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, HAVE MADE CLEAR THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, NOISE AND HOURS OF OPERATION.

UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, YEAH, I MEAN, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM THERE.

I MEAN, PHILOSOPHICALLY, RIGHT? I THINK WE'VE BOTH REALLY BEEN VERY PRO WALKABILITY.

I MEAN THIS, YOU KNOW, SESSION OR THIS I GUESS PERIOD, UH, THIS TERM IN PARTICULAR, WE'VE REALLY BEEN VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT THOSE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION I COME BACK TO ON THIS, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH A BUILDING, WITH THIS BUILDING? I MEAN, IT HAS THE OFFICE IN IT.

IT'S BEEN NEWLY RENOVATED.

IT'S NOT LIKE IN A MAYBE ANOTHER HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, YOU'D HAVE AN OLD BUILDING THAT WAS PURPOSE BUILT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH, AND YOU COULD SAY, WELL, IF WE REJECT DRIVE-THROUGHS ON THIS CONSISTENTLY, MAYBE SOMETHING BETTER WILL COME IN ITS PLACE.

MAYBE IT'LL GET BULLDOZED AND INCORPORATED INTO SOMETHING BIGGER AND BETTER.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THIS BUILDING IS, IS NEWLY RENOVATED.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

AND SO THEN I ALSO THINK ABOUT THE BUSINESS FAIRNESS, BUSINESS FRIENDLY ASPECT OF THIS AS WELL.

UM, THE DRIVE THROUGH WAS PUT IN BEFORE THOSE NEW ZONING LAWS APPLIED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, I GUESS WHETHER THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED THROUGH AND WATCHED ALL THE DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEETINGS TO KNOW WHAT ALL THOSE LAWS ENTAILED OR NOT.

I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MAYBE A, A LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY FOR SMALL BUSINESS THERE THAT I GUESS AT WHAT POINT, WHAT POINT DO YOU CONSIDER IT TO BE REASONABLE, TO EXPECT THEM TO KEEP UP WITH EVERY LINE ITEM IN A NEW ZONING CODE THAT'S ABOUT TO BE OVERLAID ONTO THE ENTIRE TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM? I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU, IF IT WASN'T NEW CONSTRUCTION, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT.

BUT I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS SPECIFIC PROPOSAL, UM, WITH THE MODIFICATIONS TIED TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT, THE TWO CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THOSE, THOSE REASONS THAT I DESCRIBED IN ADDITION COUNCIL MEMBER SAMSEL TO WHAT YOU SAID, AND THEN SOME OF THE POINTS THAT THE BUSINESS OWNER HAS MADE AS WELL.

I I WOULD ADD ONE THING, UM, MS. JUSTICE, ARE YOU WANTING TO SPEAK? UM, YEAH, NO, I, I FEEL LIKE I'M LIKE COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AND BARRIO SAY, THINK THERE'S JUST A, AND COUNCILMAN SEL, QUITE FRANKLY, THERE'S A, A BIT OF A FAIRNESS COMPONENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS.

YOU KNOW,

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UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST SORT OF LOOKING AT THIS AS I WOULD ANALYZE ANY OTHER CASE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A RE ANOTHER COFFEE CASE, THE, THE NIGHT, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE US, THAT WE DENIED A DRIVE THROUGH ON.

UM, AND PART OF THE REASON THAT I VOTED AGAINST THAT PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT IS BECAUSE THERE'S A CORNER FILLED WITH SO MANY DRIVE-THROUGHS.

AND THAT'S NOT, I, I DON'T THINK THE WAY THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORS WANT THAT PART OF TOWN TO DEVELOP.

AND SO LOOKING AT THIS WITHOUT HAVING THE BENEFIT OF HEARD FROM THE HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, I WAS DEFINITELY LEANING TOWARDS DENYING THIS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SIX DRIVE-THROUGHS RIGHT THERE AND SO THERE IS A VERY HEAVY CONCENTRATION OF THEM.

UM, BUT, BUT AS COUNCILMAN CORCORAN PUT IT, I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF A COMPLEXITY HERE.

AND SO, UM, IN ORDER FOR ME TO BE IN FAVOR OF IT THOUGH, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT COUNCILMAN SHAEL BROUGHT UP.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE CAN LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WITH THE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE, TO THE DELPHI SYSTEM THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, UM, MINIMIZE NOISE, UM, UM, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO I, I CAN BE IN FAVOR OF THIS, UM, GIVEN SORT OF THERE A BIT OF A FAIRNESS, LIKE I SAID, ASPECT TO THIS THAT THERE OTHERWISE, UH, WASN'T.

UM, BUT YEAH, I, I'M, I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I REALLY, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THERE'S A HEAVY CONCENTRATION OF DRIVE-THROUGHS HERE, UH, AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS POINTED OUT.

UM, AND, AND SO I, I'M STILL CHEWING ON IT AS WELL.

UM, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO, UM, SUGGEST APPROVAL TONIGHT THAT WE NEED TO, TO REALLY, REALLY CONSIDER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN SHAEL SAID, UM, AND TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION AND, AND ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS.

THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS FROM OUR LAST HEARING, AFTER WE JUST PUSH THIS BACK TO TONIGHT, WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE REACH OUT, PLEASE CONTACT, COMMUNICATE, AND THEN HE, HE, THEY DID THAT, THE APPLICANT DID WHAT WE ASKED HIM TO DO.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK HE'S MADE SOME CONCESSIONS WITH A KNEW SOUND SYSTEM, A BETTER SOUND SYSTEM.

THEY REMOVED A, UM, MARQUEE, ONE OF THE SPEAKER SYSTEMS, THEY'VE REMOVED IT FROM THE SITE SO THAT THAT IS NOT A, UM, THAT'S NOT CLOSER TO THEIR HOMES.

AND I THINK, SO IF WE TALK ABOUT INTENT AND WE TALK ABOUT TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS LIKE THEY PROMISED THEY WOULD BE, I THINK THE EVIDENCE OR THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.

AND HE HAS GIVEN THEM HIS PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER, ANY OFFICES IN THE SAME BUILDING.

SO HE'S NOT LIKE, HE'S NOT GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE.

NOT TO MENTION WE COULD ADD SOME THINGS ON LIKE, UM, MAYOR PRO TIM HAS SUGGESTED, AND MS. JUSTICE HAS SUGGESTED.

SO I, I JUST WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY BELIEVE THEY COULD DO THIS OR THEY WOULDN'T HAVE INVESTED THAT TYPE OF MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING.

THEY HAVE JUST IMPROVED IT.

AND I THINK THE ARCHITECT TEXTUAL DESIGN, AND IT IS CLEANED UP, IT REALLY LOOKS NICE, AND I THINK THEY HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE BIGGER, BETTER, IF I COULD PUT IT THAT WAY.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE.

MR. HUTCHEN, WRITER, I THINK.

UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS AS WELL.

I, I VERY MUCH ON THE FENCE ON THIS.

I'M, I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, AS THEY SAY, A GREAT NEGOTIATION IS, IS THAT EVERYBODY WALKS AWAY A LITTLE BIT HAPPY, BUT NOT FULLY HAPPY.

YOU KNOW, USUALLY MOST FAMILIES ARE HOME BY 5:00 PM PROB AND, AND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MOST FAMILIES ARE UP AND MOVING BY, YOU KNOW, SEVEN IN THE MORNING.

SO IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THIS, I WOULD THINK IF WE, IF WE LIMITED THE, UM, DRIVE THROUGH FROM 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM UM, YOU KNOW, THAT AFTER 5:00 PM IS NOT A HEAVY COFFEE SALES TIME, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD, WOULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.

AND SO I, I WOULD THINK WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT, I GUESS.

AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, IS THERE, AND I, I GUESS WE CAN STILL ASK STAFF QUESTIONS, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC CLEARING HEARING.

IS THAT THEY'RE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

UH, IS, IS THERE A, DEREK, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THIS IS OPEN, THERE'S, IS THERE, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE ALWAYS SAY THAT, THAT SOMEONE CAN CALL IN AND ALWAYS COMPLAIN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BUT THIS, SINCE THIS IS SUCH A NOISE SENSITIVE TYPE OF, OF DISCUSSION ON THIS DRIVE THROUGH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD

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IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO SOME TYPE OF MONITORING FOR A PERIOD OF 30 DAYS? I MEAN, CAN WE SET A, A, A LIMIT AS TO THE NOISE AND MONITOR THAT FOR SAY, POST 30 OR 60 DAYS, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN IN GOOD FAITH, BE ABLE TO SAY, BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE KNOW WE FULLY HEARD YOUR CONCERNS.

WE MADE SURE THAT THE, THE DECIMAL LEVELS AT THE, AT THE BOUNDARY OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE PARKING LOT.

I THINK IF I'M, IF I'M, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THE DECIMAL LEVEL WILL NOT BE WHAT, WHATEVER'S APPROPRIATE? I DON'T, I'M, I'M NOT A DECIBEL EXPERT, I WILL SAY THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO CREATE SOMETHING THERE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT'S, IT'S LOW ENOUGH OR IT'S PROVEN LOW ENOUGH BECAUSE I, I HEAR THE CONCERN ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE, UM, THAT THE, THE, UM, HOMEOWNER BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, THE DELPHI SYSTEM.

I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE DELPHI SYSTEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, REGULATED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

BUT IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO ALONG THOSE LINES? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M ASKING? I THINK I'LL ASK DON TO CHIME IN ON THAT.

INTERVAL DETAILING, UM, WHAT LEVEL OF COMPLAINTS WE'VE RECEIVED.

I'M SORRY, ADAM.

I'M NOT SURE.

YEAH, SO, SO WE HAVE EXISTING STANDARDS, AND THE STANDARDS ARE, UM, THE STANDARDS APPLY TO ANY SOURCE OF NOISE.

SO WHETHER IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH MICROPHONE OR WHETHER IT'S EMPLOYEES GATHERED IN THE BACKYARD, OR WHETHER IT'S A BAND PLAYING LIVE MUSIC, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE NOISE IS.

IF IT EXCEEDS THE LIMIT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, THEN THE CITY IS 100% EMPOWERED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

AND, UM, SO I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IF THE NOISE IS THE PRIMARY ISSUE OF CONCERN, WE HAVE THE TOOLS AVAILABLE TO US TODAY, UM, TO ADDRESS A CONCERN.

UH, IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS GOING OUT AND WORKING WITH THE, UM, OP WITH THE, WITH THE BUSINESS OPERATOR TO ADJUST THE LEVEL OF THE MICROPHONE.

FOR INSTANCE, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS TOO HIGH, UH, IT COULD BE ADJUSTING, UH, THE DIRECTION OF THE MICROPHONE.

THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THAT WE COULD UTILIZE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, RANDOM SAMPLES AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY, UM, IF THAT BE THE CASE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A REMINDER THAT IT'S ANY SOURCE OF NOISE.

AND SO IT'S NOT JUST THE MICROPHONE.

SURE.

IT'S NOT JUST THE DRIVE UP MICROPHONE.

THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE HERE.

IT COULD BE ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPERATION OF THAT BUILDING THAT COULD GENERATE NOISE.

IT COULD BE A GENERATOR, WHICH WE GET COMPLAINTS A LOT, .

IT COULD BE, UH, YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.

IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE AIR CONDITION SYSTEMS. SURE.

I UNDERSTAND.

IT COULD BE INCLUDING A HEATING SYSTEM.

AND SO I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE AND AND HONOR THE CONCERN AROUND THE MICROPHONE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE TOOLS IN PLACE IF THE MICROPHONE IS A PROBLEM TO ADDRESS IT, JUST LIKE WE WOULD, IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER PIECE OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS CAUSING THAT NOISE, WE COULD ADDRESS THAT.

WE CAN ADDRESS IT AND GET IT TO AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL, UM, REGARDLESS OF ITS MICROPHONE OR ANYTHING.

I, I, AND I GUESS MY, MY, MY QUESTION IS COULD WE DO, I MEAN, NORMALLY WE, WE, WE, WE ARE MORE REACTIVE IN THOSE CENTRAL SITUATIONS GIVEN THE, THE SENSITIVITY AND TRY TO MM-HMM .

COULD WE DO SOMETHING PROACTIVELY? YEAH.

IF THAT WOULD, FOR A PERIOD OF 30 TO 60 DAYS OR SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO, TO SAY WHATEVER THE, AND I DON'T KNOW THE DECIBEL LEVEL SURE.

UH, MR. MAGNER, BUT WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE, WE WILL DO RANDOM SAMPLING OVER THAT FIRST 30 TO 60 DAYS TO ENSURE THAT ONCE IT'S UP AND OPERATIONAL, THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, WE WOULD BE, THAT'S IN PLACE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP MAYBE KIND OF, LIKE I SAID, NEGOTIATE THIS THROUGH.

SURE.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN COME UP WITH A SCHEDULE, WE CAN DO RANDOM SAMPLES AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO THE, TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND, UM, AND, AND THEIR LEADERSHIP.

AND WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO THE COUNCIL RECALL ALSO.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE COULD, YOU COULD ALSO INSTRUCT COUN, YOU CAN ALSO INSTRUCT STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU A REPORT AT THE SIX MONTH OR THE ONE YEAR MARK, UM, INDICATING HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE WE HAD, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT YEAH, NO, NO.

AND THEN IF, AND THEN IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU COULD ALWAYS CALL THAT, THAT, THAT BACK UP.

I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT SOME HAVE REASONABLE, UM, UM, IT'S, I'M SORRY, I, I WAS KIND OF THINKING OF THAT 'CAUSE I THINK, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS, BUT WE APPROVED SOMETHING I, A FEW MONTHS BACK MM-HMM .

AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT I KNOW WE SAID WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT IT LIKE A YEAR OR TWO LATER.

SURE.

AND, UM, I, I'D LIKE THAT APPROACH.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I WAS GONNA SAY MAKE A SUGGESTION, I MEAN, I, I, I CAN IMAGINE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE YOU WANNA ASK THE APPLICANT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION, I MEAN, THAT BECOMES A, THAT BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT BURDEN, AN ONGOING ENFORCEMENT BURDEN AS WELL, .

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE THE TOOLS IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THE NOISE ISSUE IF THE NOISE IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

AND SO, UM, WE COULD, YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO DO THE MONITORING, UM, AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE HOA AND AND, AND TO YOU AFTER, UH, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD ASK, UH, YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO PROVIDE YOU A REPORT AT EITHER A SIX MONTH OR A ONE YEAR

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AND, UM, ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU, UM, AS YOU REVIEW THE PERMIT AT THAT TIME.

DON? I, I THINK THAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF HEADS NODDING.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION IF WE CHOOSE TO GO THAT WAY, COUNSEL, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO RE RESTRICT THEIR HOURS TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY EVEN NEEDED.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE, IF WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE, THEN WE LET THEM RUN THEIR SHOP, LIKE WE LET ANYBODY ELSE RUN THEIR SHOP.

AND IF IT'S EIGHT O'CLOCK, NINE O'CLOCK, 10 O'CLOCK ON THE COFFEE, THEN IT, IT ENDS UP HAPPENING.

AND THEN THEY'RE THEIR OWN WORST ENEMY IF IT'S, IF IT'S GOING OFF INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I MEAN, WE, WE OFTEN SEE SEASONAL OPERATIONS.

I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE HOT CHOCOLATE AROUND THE HOUSE.

I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE RE IF WE'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING HOURS OF OPERATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY FOR STAFF.

THAT'S A DAILY, THAT'S A DAILY, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, THAT'S FAIR.

AND, AND SO, NO, AND I, I, I GET THAT POINT.

I JUST WAS TRYING TO RIGHT.

WORK THROUGH AND, AND, AND FIGURE OUT.

'CAUSE I HEARD THE, THE 9:00 PM WAS VERY BOTHER OR CONCERNING, I SHOULD SAY, TO THE NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE COULD PUT THAT IN THERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, I WAS THINKING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP.

BUT IF, IF THAT'S GONNA BE AN ENFORCEMENT NINE, THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, WE, YOU KNOW, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, BECAUSE THIS TOOL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COMMONLY UTILIZE, UM, WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON THE SPECIAL PERMITS, IT BECOMES A REAL, UM, IT BECOMES A REAL CHALLENGE FOR CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT REQUIRE REQUIREMENTS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SPECIAL PERMITS.

MM-HMM.

UH, YOU MAY RECALL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS OF GOING BACK AND CLEANING UP A, UH, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER, WELL PROBABLY KNOW WHAT IT WAS HERE, UH, SEVERAL HUNDRED SPECIAL PERMITS THAT WE WENT BACK AND REVOKED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE THESE OBLIGATIONS OF COMPLIANCE, UH, AND ENFORCEMENT ON THE BOOKS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY BE TAKING ANY ACTION, UM, TOWARDS THAT.

AND SO, UM, I THINK IT'S, UM, IF WE CAN ALLOW THE OPERATION TO OCCUR AND ENFORCE THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY THAT IE THE, THE ORDINANCE, UH, THAT REQUIRES THE LEVEL OF THE VOLUME AND THE DECIBEL LEVEL TO BE BELOW A CERTAIN, UH, CRITERIA AT THE PROPERTY LINE DURING A BUSINESS OF OPERATIONS, THAT'S A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY OF DEALING WITH THE NOISE PROBLEM NOW.

SO I ALSO KNOW THAT I, I DO LIKE THAT APPROACH.

I THINK THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE BUSINESS ITSELF AND WITH THE RESIDENTS IS IMPORTANT.

SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, IT GIVES US A PERIOD OF FINE TUNE IT, I GUESS, AS IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES, WHICH I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THERE BEING ANY ISSUES.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU NEVER KNOW.

AND, UH, I, I'VE NEVER BEEN INSIDE THESE RESIDENCE HOMES, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SOUND COMES THROUGH.

UM, I ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY HARD, A SOUND ORDINANCE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY SOUND IS MEASURED, UH, IT'S, IT'S, I WOULDN'T SAY HARD TO ENFORCE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT THAT'S DIFFICULT TO CA IT'S DIFFICULT TO CATCH SOMEBODY ON.

WHEN DECIDING IF YOU WANTED TO CALL UP THE SPECIAL PERMIT FOR RECONSIDERATION.

SOUND ORDINANCE IS, IS ONE OF THOSE HARD ONES.

CAN WE, UH, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE PROCESS.

SO LET'S SAY WE APPROVE THIS, THEY OPEN A COUPLE MONTHS FROM NOW.

I THINK LAST TIME HE WAS BEFORE US, THEY SAID THEY NEEDED TO CLOSE OR GET STARTED IN JANUARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND LET'S SAY THEY OPEN IN MARCH, MARCH 1ST, AND THREE MONTHS IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOW THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER.

AND, UM, THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES.

WHAT I, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR US TO CALL IT BACK IN A YEAR? ARE WE SAYING, OKAY, FROM A YEAR FROM OPENING, IT OPENS MARCH 1ST, MARCH 1ST, 2026? WE'LL LOOK AT THIS.

IF WE HIT AN X AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS, OR, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNDERSTANDS THE PROCESS OF WHAT KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE ON US THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CHOOSE TO VOTE THE SIM MM-HMM .

AND ALSO ON THE PROPERTY OWNER THEMSELVES, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO ME.

YEAH, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

SO YOU CAN DIRECT ME AT WHATEVER INTERVAL YOU WANT TO BRING BACK A REPORT THAT WOULD INCLUDE A SUMMARY OF ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND ENFORCEMENT ACTION THAT WE TOOK.

AND THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY, IN THIS CASE, RELATED TO NOISE.

THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE KEY FACTOR THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER WHEN,

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SO THAT WOULD BE THE WAY I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD DIRECT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DIRECT ME AT SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR TO DO THAT.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THE, THE CONCERN, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT THAT IS ON THE TABLE THAT I'VE HEARD IS THE NOISE.

I WOULD FOCUS IT SPECIFICALLY ON THAT.

UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE PROCESS.

UM, IF IT'S, UH, EVENINGS OR AFTER HOURS, UM, A RESIDENT THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE THAT'S COMING FROM THE SPEAKER, FOR INSTANCE, COULD CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

PD NOW HAS, THEY'RE EQUIPPED WITH, UH, IT'S VERY EASY, EVEN I CAN DO IT .

UM, YOU STAND AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU TURN THE MACHINE ON AND, UH, YOU, IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU THE READING AND YOU COMPARE IT TO THE CHART.

AND IF IT'S A VIOLATION, WE CAN, WE'RE GONNA GO KNOCK ON THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE, TO THE, UH, BUSINESS, AND WE'RE GONNA TELL THE MANAGER, COME OUT HERE WITH THIS, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING WITH THE MANAGER THERE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU NEED TO GO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE DOWN.

UM, AND SO IT'S THAT, IT'S THAT STRAIGHTFORWARD.

UM, IF IT'S AN ONGOING COMPLAINT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ISSUE CITATIONS TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY, I MEAN, TO THE BUSINESS OWNER, EXCUSE ME.

UM, WE WOULD ISSUE, UH, CITATIONS TO THE BUSINESS OWNER IF WE HAD, UH, IF WE RECEIVE, UH, MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS OR ONGOING COMPLAINTS.

UM, AND WE WOULD ADDRESS IT THAT WAY AND MAKE IT A COURT COURT ISSUE, AND THEN HANDLE IT AS A THROUGH COURT PROCEEDINGS.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M TESTING MY MEMORY HERE.

UM, LET'S SEE.

UH, ZONING IS, UH, UP TO $2,000, $2,000 A DAY FINE, UM, FOR, UH, VIOLATIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO IT'S NOT AN INCONSEQUENTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

IF THERE'S ONGOING PROBLEMS THAT A BUSINESS WOULD QUICKLY BE MOTIVATED TO CHANGE THEIR, YOU KNOW, PRACTICES, NOT TO BE, NOT TO BE CITED.

ONCE WE PROVIDE THAT NOTICE, IF WE, IF WE CHOOSE WHEN WE GO BACK OUT, IF THERE'S A SECOND VIOLATION WE CAN CITE AT THAT TIME, UM, AND WE COULD CITE EVERY SINGLE DAY IS A DIFFERENT VIOLATION, AND EVERY SINGLE DAY WE WOULD GO OUT AND THERE WAS A DIFFERENT VIOLATION.

WE COULD CITE THE BUSINESS OWNER IF THAT WAS WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO GET TO GAIN COMPLIANCE.

ONE LAST COMMENT SLASH QUESTION.

DON, WOULD YOU TAKE A MOMENT, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING PART IS CLOSED, BUT SOMEBODY WHO SPOKE, UH, USED THE WORD PRECEDENCE.

WOULD YOU TAKE A MOMENT TO KINDA EXPLAIN HOW ZONING FILES AND PRECEDENTS, PRECEDENTS WORKS, UH, IN THIS CASE? SURE, SURE.

I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

REALLY, IN, IN TERMS OF A SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, THERE IS NOT REALLY A PRECEDENT SETTING, UM, STANDARD.

AND THE SENSE THAT THE REASON WE HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT IS THAT EVERY CASE STANDS ON ITS OWN UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES.

THAT'S WHY YOU, UM, HEAR EACH CASE AND YOU HEAR THE DETAILS AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT FACTORS ABOUT THAT UNIQUE CASE.

YOU CAN HAVE TWO PROPERTIES SIDE BY SIDE, AND IT'S YOUR DISCRETION TO APPROVE ONE AND NOT THE OTHER BASED ON THE, BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE, OF THE TWO CASES.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BY, AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS CASE.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE EITHER NOT LISTED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE OR THAT ARE LISTED AS REQUIRED IN SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, THAT YOU CONSIDER.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S THE UNIQUE FEATURE OF A SPECIAL PERMIT IS THAT YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER EACH ON ITS OWN MERITS AND THEN TO DECIDE, UM, BASED ON THAT, THAT PARTICULAR, THE PARTICULAR FACTORS OF THAT CASE.

LAST THING I'LL SAY, UM, GIVEN JUST I WAS CHEWING OUT, GIVEN ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, PASSING THIS WITH A ABILITY TO LOOK AT IT IN A YEAR FROM WHENEVER THEIR OPENING DAY IS.

SO IF THEY SAY MARCH 1ST OR OPENING, LET'S GIVE IT A YEAR AFTER THAT.

UM, THAT'S, I WOULD, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SIX MONTHS IN IS, UH, GIVES THEM ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY.

NOW, WITH THAT SAID, I HOPE THAT, UH, RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE WILL ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS AS THEY COME UP.

IT'S NOT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A YEAR.

UH, WE'LL, WE'LL BE ON THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK LOOKING AT IT A YEAR IS, IS, UH, IS A, A BALANCE I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH VERSUS, AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, VERSUS CONTROLLING OPERATING HOURS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THANK YOU, MR. DORIAN.

I, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT WHAT EVERYONE SAID.

I, I, I'VE LISTENED TO ALL THE COMMENTS AND, AND I, I HAVE TO AGREE.

ORIGINALLY I WAS ON THE FENCE ON THIS AS WELL, AND AFTER KIND OF WORKING THROUGH SOME DETAILS TONIGHT, I HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR MASTER PLAN, WE WANT TO LOOK AT ELEVATING ALL AREAS OF RICHARDSON.

I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY'VE MADE AND SOME OF THE COMPASSION THEY HAVE IN PUTTING TOGETHER WHAT'S BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND, AND HAVE SOME SORT OF RESTRICTIONS BASED ON MONITORING, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS SUPPORTING THIS.

UH, I THINK THE TWO MAIN COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN ADDITION TO

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SOUND WAS LIGHTING.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING, UM, UH, THE SPOTLIGHTS WERE DOWN, DOWN LIGHTS, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE AND WE WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED TO INSTALL LIKE DIMMERS OR SOMETHING.

I MEAN, THE BUILDING LOOKS VERY NICE AND THEY, THEY'VE DONE A VERY NICE JOB ELEVATING IT WE'LL SAY, AND MAKING IT LOOK NICE.

THE LIGHTING LOOKS GOOD.

THE, THE, UH, UH, THE COLOR LOOKS GOOD.

IT'S, IT'S A NICE LOOKING BUILDING.

SO IF WE COULD KEEP IT ON THAT LEVEL, AND, AND THIS, I THINK THIS ALSO REFLECTS OUR, OUR NEW MASTER PLAN MOVING FORWARD.

WE WANT THIS TYPE OF BUILDING AND THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.

UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE HOAS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

WE HAVE TO ALSO THINK ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS AND, AND, AND, AND THEY DID GO OUT AND, AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

SO I, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD AND FOR THE PEOPLE LISTENING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU HAVE, WE WANNA BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY IN RICHARDSON, AND WE WANTED, THIS IS A GIVE AND TAKE SITUATION.

IF THIS WERE A SITUATION WHERE THE BUILDING WAS RUN DOWN AND THERE WAS NO, UH, ELEVATED EXPENSE, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT FENCE, BUT TO THE POINT, AND WITH EVERYBODY'S POINTS OF, UH, REGULATING THE SOUND AND POTENTIALLY MAYBE PUTTING SOME STIPULATIONS ON THE LIGHTING IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE BY MAYBE ADAPTING SOME TYPE OF, UM, DUST TO DAWN OR, OR THEY MAKE A SYSTEM, UM, LUTRON, AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT ARE A LITTLE HIGHER IN THAT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THOSE SET ON A SPECIFIC TIME FACTOR.

SO WHEN THE TIME CHANGES, THE LIGHT IS MORE REDUCED AND FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, ELEVATING THE BUILDING, UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, LIGHTING THE BUILDING PROPERLY.

BUT ANYWAY, TO THAT POINT, I, I JUST WANT, I WANTED THAT FOR THE RECORD TOO, AND I WON'T REPEAT.

I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT EVERYONE'S ALREADY SAID, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CORCORAN.

YEAH, JUST THE THING, MAYOR, JUST TO ILLUSTRATE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT ABOUT, UM, PRECEDENT, I MEAN, WE REFERENCED THAT THAT LOT RIGHT BESIDE THIS, BETWEEN THIS END AND WALGREENS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I WOULD APPROVE OR VOTE FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR DRIVE THROUGH IN THAT SPOT.

RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE YOUR POINT, JUST 'CAUSE I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS DOES NOT MEAN I'M IN SUPPORT OF OTHER DRIVE-THROUGHS, AND I IMAGINE OTHER FOLKS ON HERE FEEL THE SAME WAY.

MS. JUSTICE, ARE YOU NEEDING TO SPEAK AGAIN? OKAY, MS. RUT RIDER, I HEAR EVERYTHING.

I DON'T DISAGREE.

I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE.

I WOULD, I WOULD, MY ONE COMMENT WOULD BE TO THE OWNERS, I WOULD SERIOUSLY ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT BRINGING THAT DRIVE THROUGH BACK FROM 9:00 PM I THINK THAT'S TOO LATE.

I THINK THAT'S A, A, A SIGNIFICANT BONE OF CONTENTION.

SO I WOULD ASK Y'ALL TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO 7:00 PM OR 5:00 PM SOMEWHERE THAT'S MUCH MORE NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY, IF YOU WOULD.

BUT GIVEN THAT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, I WOULD, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION BEFORE MOTION? UM, IF, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IT JUST TO ONE LANE, OR IS THAT IMMEDIATE? IS THAT AUTOMATIC? I WAS GONNA ADD THE TWO CONDITIONS, IS WHAT I WAS, THAT, THAT'S ADDED.

CAN YOU GO BACK SO I CAN READ THE TWO CONDITIONS? MAKE SURE I WRITE, I'M SORRY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I READ 'EM EXACTLY SO THAT WE HAVE IT IN THE, IN THE RECORD HERE.

THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. MAYOR, TO, UM, APPROVE ZONING FILE 24 25 WITH THE ADDITIONS OF APPROVAL OF ONLY ONE DRIVE THROUGH MENU BOARD.

UM, MENU BOARD IS REQUIRED TO UTILIZE A DELPHI DISPLAY SYSTEM OR EQUIVALENT SPEAKER SYSTEM TECHNOLOGY, AND THAT WE WOULD REVIEW THIS AFTER ONE YEAR.

I THINK I CAPTURED EVERYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

IS THAT I, I BELIEVE YOU DID.

EIGHT ON OUR AGENDA CONSENT AGENDA.

COULD I GET A SECOND? MR. CORCORAN SECOND.

GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER

[8. CONSENT AGENDA]

LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, MR. DORY? YES.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, AS AS NOTED, MR. CHU.

I SECOND IT GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRINTED.

ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS.

PLEASE PASS THIS UNANIMOUSLY.

NUMBER NINE,

[9. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]

REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTERESTS.

COUNSEL, ANYTHING INTERESTING? I'LL JUST WISH EVERYBODY HAPPY NEW YEAR.

WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING OUT WITH A BANG, I THINK SO WE'LL KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

YES,

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MR. BARRIOS, MAYOR, UM, COUPLE THINGS.

I KNOW WE'VE BEEN OUT FOR A FEW WEEKS, BUT, UH, ON DECEMBER 19TH, MANY OF US, EXCUSE ME, WE'RE A PART OF THE COPS AND KIDS EVENT HOSTED BY THE RICHARDSON POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

UM, THE FOP LODGE, UH, 1 0 5, IT WAS QUITE AN EVENT WE GOT TO GO ALONG TO TARGET WITH A BUNCH OF KIDS, UM, THAT, UH, MAYBE HAVE, HAVE A LITTLE LESS THAN SOME OF US DO.

AND IT, IT WAS QUITE AN EVENT.

I REALLY ENJOYED WATCHING OFFICERS INTERACT WITH THESE, WITH THESE, UM, THESE NEIGHBORS OF OURS.

AND IT'S SO NICE TO SEE.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE, WE ALL KNOW THE AMAZING WORK RPD DOES, BUT HATS OFF TO THEM FOR THIS GREAT EVENT AS WELL, FOR HELPING OUT.

AND, UH, SEEING THAT POLICE INTERACTION WITH THOSE KIDS WAS, IS IS LIFE CHANGING FOR THOSE KIDS, BUT GIVES, GIVES THEM A DIFFERENT KIND OF INTERACTION WITH POLICE.

AND I THINK THAT'S MUCH NEEDED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND EVERY COMMUNITY ACROSS OUR COUNTRY.

SO HATS OFF TO THEM.

WELL SAID.

THANK YOU MR. DORIAN.