Jan 07, 2025 City Planning Commission Meetings

UH, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS NOW.

UH, I'LL START OFF .

UM, DO YOU RECALL ON THE, UH, ON THE NEST, UH, DEVELOPMENT, IF, UH, WE ARE, ARE ALL THE PARKING ON TEXAS STREET, IS THAT, UH, PROPOSED TO BE PARALLEL PARKING OR WERE WE ONE TIME TALKING ABOUT HEAD END PARKING OR ANGLE, EVEN ANGLED PARKING? DO YOU RECALL? I THINK ON THAT WE LANDED ON THE HEAD END PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE OF TEXAS.

TO PROVIDE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THEM.

AND THEN HERE ON THIS SIDE OF TEXAS, IT WILL TRANSITION BACK TO PARALLEL PARKING.

DO YOU SEE ANY CONFLICT OR ISSUES WITH THAT? UM, NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I THINK GIVEN THAT THERE'S A STREET IN BETWEEN, THAT'S A NICE TRANSITION, SO THAT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE.

UM, AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE, THE MINIMUM, UH, DENSITY OF 40 UNITS PER ACRE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STANDARD.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A MAXIMUM, CORRECT.

UH, SO THIS IS PROPOSED AT ROUGHLY 91 UNITS PER ACRE, AND THAT'S MORE OR LESS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN FOR OTHER TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT MIXED U OR MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.

CORRECT.

THINKING OF THE FEW WE'VE APPROVED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AT CITY LINE GALLATIN, THAT'S IN LINE WITH THOSE DENSITIES.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, PARKING, AGAIN, UH, THINKING TO SOME OF THE OTHER CASES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US ON THESE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY, UH, PROJECTS, UM, SIMILAR SIZE DENSITY, UH, SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY LANDED IN A FEW CASES AS LOW AS 0.8 PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, UH, PARTICULARLY AROUND UTD AND STUDENT HOUSING YEAH.

AND THAT SORT OF THING.

UH, SO WE HAVE DEVIATED FROM THE, UM, 1.5 AND IS THE 1.5, UH, SPACES PER, UH, PER UNIT, UH, IS THAT JUST UNIQUE TO THE, THE DOWNTOWN COURT DISTRICT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING'S MORE CITYWIDE? I IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

I KNOW I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT HERE, BUT, UH, THE OTHER, FROM WHAT I CALL IT, IT, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

UH, THAT'S SORT OF OUR BASE REQUIREMENT.

AND THEN AS YOU MENTIONED, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WE'VE DEVIATED FROM THAT THROUGH CERTAIN PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.

AND SO, AND, AND GENERALLY IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S STUDENT HOUSING OTHER TIMES OR STUDENT HOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER FORMS PROXIMITY TO A RAIL STATION OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

OTHER CASES OR OR OTHER PUBLIC OR OTHER PUBLIC PARKING IN, IN THE VICINITY.

AND SO, I KNOW, KNOW SOME, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT TAKING AWAY THE, THE CITY OWNED PARKING, UH, FOR STAYCATION MM-HMM .

OR NEXT TO STAYCATION FOR THE NEST.

IS THAT, IS, WAS THAT TRUE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT? UM, FOR THE NEST? WE DID.

ONE OF THESE PARKING LOTS IS A PUBLIC PARKING LOT THAT, UH, WE CALCULATED INTO THEIR REQUIRED, UH, PARKING SPACES.

UM, ALTHOUGH IF YOU TAKE AWAY THIS PARKING LOT WITH THIS PROJECT, SINCE THEY ARE CONSTRUCTING, OR, OR THE ON STREET PARKING SPACES WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AROUND THIS BLOCK SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT WHAT THE, THE NEST WAS SEEKING FROM THOSE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES.

SO, OKAY.

BUT ISN'T THAT ALSO THE, THE ON STREETE PARKING THOUGH, THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE USED FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS OF PARK, PARK? SOME OF IT WILL YES.

DEPART WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

SO MM-HMM .

IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE ON STREET PARKING THAT IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT THEY NEED TO MEET THEIR CODE REQUIRED PARKING, THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT THE NEST WAS USING IN THE PRIOR, UM, PUBLIC PARKING LOT, WHICH JUST TO CLARIFY, WAS NOT CITY OWNED.

IT WAS LEASED, UM, FROM THE OWNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT OKAY.

OF THE PROPERTY.

ON STREET PARKING SPACES BE DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT OR NO, JUST THEIR AVAILABLE? IT WOULD ALL BE, UM, PUBLIC PARKING.

WOULD ANY OF THOSE

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GOOD, THANK YOU.

AND, AND, AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHT, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 54 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET, I GUESS THAT'S ON THE GARAGE OR IS ON THE FIFTH FLOOR OF THE GARAGE, OR IS THAT, THAT'S THE PARKING DECK OF THE GARAGE, YES.

THAT'S A PARAPET THAT WILL RUN ALONG THAT PARKING DECK.

AND THAT'S THE HIGHEST ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING.

HIGHEST ELEMENT OF THE, YEAH.

ANY, UH, AND I GUESS, UH, IN TERMS OF STAFF STAFF'S REVIEW FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, UM, THE, IT SEEMS TO ME THE MOST LOGICAL, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE ON POLK, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ENTRY TO THE GARAGE.

IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

UH, AND, UH, THERE IS A SIGNAL ALREADY AT POLK AND GREENVILLE.

SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EASIEST WAY IN AND OUT FOR EXITING.

UM, THERE IS A SIGNAL AT, UM, MCKINNEY AND BELTLINE MM-HMM .

UH, BUT THAT'S RIGHT.

TURN ONLY.

SO IF YOU GO NORTH MM-HMM .

IF YOU WERE GO NORTH ON MCKINNEY, UH, TO, TO BELTLINE, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE A RIGHT MM-HMM .

AND THEN COME TO THE LIGHT AT MAIN STREET AND GREEN BELT AND AT TEXAS AND BELTLINE.

I DON'T RECALL, WAS THERE A SIGNAL THERE OR NOT? NO, THERE'S NOT.

THERE'S NOT.

SO.

ONLY, ONLY IT'S RIGHT.

ONLY ALSO.

SO, UH, SO REALLY, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO WEST BACK TO CENTRAL, UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE TAKING POLK ALL THE WAY TO THE FEEDER ROAD ON NORTHBOUND POLK TO THE, THE SERVICE ROAD OR FEEDER ROAD, OR, UH, POLK TO INTERURBAN.

AND THEN THERE'S A LIGHT AT INTERURBAN AND BELL LINE.

YEAH, YEAH.

OR, OR TAKING GREENVILLE AND MAKING THE LEFT BACK, CORRECT.

UM, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY OUT AND BACK, BACK OVER IN THAT DIRECTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, WE'D ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT THEN TO COME FORWARD.

I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR, FOR YOU.

IN LOCATIONS THAT, UM, ARE, THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LOCATION.

GOOD EVENING.

UM, MY NAME'S JOEL BARONS, UH, 2 1 2, 1 NORTH PEARL STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1.

UM, I'M PRINCIPAL WITH TRAMMELL CROW COMPANY.

UM, BEEN WITH THEM FOR THE PAST 17 YEARS.

I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY KEVIN HICKMAN ON MY TEAM AND GEO AND CO AS WELL.

UM, BUT APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME HERE THIS EVENING.

WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA TALK FOR A MINUTE OR LESS ON TWO SLIDES.

I'M GONNA HAND IT OFF TO KEVIN TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, BUT WANTED TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT OF, UM, OUR COMPANY, WHO IT IS, WHO WE ARE, UM, WHAT WE DO AND, UM, OUR EXPERIENCE HERE IN NORTH TEXAS.

AND SO, UM, TRAMEL CROW COMPANY IS A HOLY OWNED SUBSID SUBSIDIARY OF CBRE, WHO I THINK YOU, SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW, IS CORPORATE CITIZEN HERE IN IN RICHARDSON.

UM, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO BE.

THEY ACQUIRED US IN OH SIX.

WE WERE FOUNDED BY, UH, TRAMMEL CROW, THE MAN BACK IN 1948 IN DALLAS.

SO BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 75 YEARS.

I'VE HAD A HISTORY OF, UM, DOING PROJECTS IN RICHARDSON OVER THE YEARS, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE WORKING ON A PROJECT, UM, THAT, UM, WE THINK MEETS THE VISION OF SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE DONE SOME GREAT PLANNING BEFORE US.

AND SO OUR COMPANY'S VERY ACTIVE ACROSS, UM, THE SPECTRUM OF OFFICE, INDUSTRIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL.

UM, WE'RE THE LARGEST DEVELOPER IN THE COUNTRY, UM, BUT KEVIN GEO AND I, AND, AND A BUNCH OF OTHER FOLKS THAT AREN'T HERE TONIGHT GET UP EVERY DAY AND, AND WORK IN NORTH TEXAS.

UM, WHAT WE WORK ON IS A VARIETY OF PROJECTS.

UM, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS SIMPLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT AS MENTIONED HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, WE ARE ACTIVE IN MULTI OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL, BUT WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT TONIGHT IS RESIDENTIAL.

AND REALLY THERE'S A VARIETY OF PHOTOS UP HERE.

UM, WHAT WE THINK IS THE COMMON THEME AMONGST THESE PHOTOS IS REALLY GREAT PRODUCT ON GREAT SITES, AND WE THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

UM, WE REALLY FOCUS ON BUILDING DIFFERENTIATED PROJECTS, UM,

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SO YOU'LL SEE A VARIETY OF PROJECTS FROM HIGH-RISE TO WALKUPS TO MID RISES, BUT REALLY THE COMMON THEME IS BUILDING THE BEST PRODUCT WE CAN IN GREAT LOCATIONS.

AND WE THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAND IT OFF TO KEVIN, UM, WHO'S GONNA TALK, UM, A BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, BUT IN, IN OUR WORDS.

UM, AND WE'LL KEEP IT BRIEF AND BE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

SO THANK YOU.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

UH, KEVIN HICKMAN, UH, 2100 MCKINNEY AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS F 5 2 0 1.

UM, IKA DID A WONDERFUL JOB OUTLINING THIS PRO PRO PROJECT FOR US.

UH, THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER CONTEXT OF HOW IT SITS, UH, JUST SOUTH OF ONE BLOCK OFF SOUTH OF BELTLINE, UM, ALONG GREENVILLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, AND THEN REALLY RUNNING ALONG THE, THE DARK TRACKS AND, UH, THE, THE CENTRAL TRAIL HERE.

UH, ZOOMING IN, AS DEREK NOTED.

UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC OPEN SPACES AND PLAZAS OUT, UH, IN FRONT OF POLK.

UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEIR RENDERINGS AND TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SEE AS BEING THE VISION FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, BUT SHE COVERED MOST OF WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU REALLY LOOK AT THESE RENDERINGS, PLEASE NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCES, THE BEST WE CAN.

UH, AND SO WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE PLAN THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REALLY, UM, COMPLIED WITH THE, THE BILL TO SETBACK LINE, WHICH IS BETWEEN ZERO AND 10 FEET.

UM, WE'VE INCORPORATED, YOU KNOW, URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS, UH, WITH THE PLANTERS AND THE BENCHES, THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, UH, AT THE TREE GRATES THAT ARE REQUIRED.

UM, THE PROJECT HAS BOTH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL, UH, UH, ARTICULATION.

UM, AND REALLY THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS, UM, ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE BUILDING HAS, HAS THAT FRONT DOOR TO THAT STREET SIDEWALK, UH, INCLUDING PORCHES AND THE STOOPS THAT ARE REQUIRED.

UM, SO YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE, UH, IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE PICTURE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG POLK STREET.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO REALLY CONNECT THE TRAIL SYSTEM.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE VISION FOR THE MAIN STREET IS REALLY TRY TO BRING ALL THE BI BICYCLE, UH, VEHICLES OR TRAFFIC REALLY ALONG POLK STREET AND OFF OF MAIN STREET.

UH, AND SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW STREET SECTION THAT DEREK HAS SHOWED EARLIER, AND, AND PROVIDING THAT, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ON POLK AND AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE, THE STREETS.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WHAT IT REALLY MEANS FOR THE CONTINUED REINVESTMENT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR.

AND SO FROM THERE, WE, WE WILL PAUSE AND, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, QUESTIONS, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, RENDERING, UH, WAS ONE OF YOUR RENDERINGS ACTUALLY, UH, ON KAUFMAN STREET, DID YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE? UH, WE DO NOT.

BUT YOU WOULD ENVISION IT MORE OR LESS THAT LIKE THAT ONE ON THE RIGHT, UH, SINCE THOSE ARE ALL, ALL THOSE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENCES ON AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? WOULD'VE THOSE, THAT'S RIGHT.

DOORWAYS THAT WOULD OPEN OUT ONTO THE SIDEWALK WITH THE PORCHES AND THAT SORT OF THING? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, SO I KNOW THERE'S ONE CON, UH, IS, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, TRASH LOADING PICKUP AREA THAT'S ON KAUFMAN STREET.

SO COULD YOU ADDRESS WHY THAT'S LOCATED THERE AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER ALTERNATE OPTIONS FOR THAT? YEAH, CERTAINLY.

UM, I, I GUESS THAT'S THE FIRST THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S ANY CONCERN.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED WORKING WITH STAFF TO DO THE BEST JOB WE CAN ON PLANNING.

WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE OTHER AREAS FOR THAT TRASH LOADING AREA.

OR IS THAT A CITY, UH, SERVICE? DO WE KNOW? I, I BELIEVE IT'S A CITY SERVICE.

UH, IT LOOKED LIKE IT, UM, TO ME IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S OFF THE GARAGE.

IS THAT WHAT, WHY IT'S THERE? SO THAT RESIDENT, IS THAT USED BY THE RESIDENCES OR IS THAT USED BY STAFF? YEAH, SO, UH, UH, TYPICALLY A LOT OF THIS WE WILL HAVE TRASH SHOOTS AND WE WILL COLLECT THE TRASH EITHER THROUGH LIKE A VALET TRASH SERVICE, UM, OR THROUGH THE CHUTES ON EACH FLOOR.

AND SO IT'LL JUST THINK OF IT, A CHUTE GOING INTO A TRASH DUMPSTER, AND IT'LL GO, SO THE TRASH WILL BE DEPOSITED DIRECTLY INTO THAT.

AND THEN, UM, THERE'LL BE A UNLOADING AREA LIKE ONCE A WEEK WHEN IT'S SERVICED.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S CONTAINED, THEY'LL BE SCREENED.

UM, AND SO REALLY FOR THE ADJACENT SURROUNDING USES, THERE'S ONLY THAT ONE TIME DURING THE, WHEN IT'S BEING SERVICED THAT IT'LL EVEN BE NOTICED.

SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE COMMERCIAL PICKUP? THAT'S RIGHT.

OR, UM,

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WE WOULD SERVICE 'EM.

AND, AND WHERE DO YOU SEE, LIKE FOR, UH, YOUR TENANTS, UM, LOADING, UNLOADING, DELIVERIES, FURNITURE? WHERE DO, WHERE DO THOSE ACTIVITIES OCCUR? YEAH, WE WILL LIKELY HAVE JUST THE, WELL AS, AS THE PULL INTO THE GARAGE, WE'LL LIKELY HAVE, UM, AN AREA THAT WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING WITH A FREIGHT ELEVATOR.

AND WE WILL LIKELY HAVE A, UM, LIKE A MOVE IN TEMPORARY SPACE SO THAT WAY THEY CAN UNLOAD THE TRUCKS, PUT IT INTO THIS ROOM, AND THEN GO WITH A FREIGHT ELEVATOR.

BECAUSE IT'S STILL JUST CONCEPT PLAN.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THESE HAVEN'T WORKED OUT ALL THOSE DETAILS DETAILS.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, WELL, YEAH, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS.

DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS OR, UH, ABOUT THE PROJECT? WE HAVE NOT, NO.

AND THIS IS, UM, THIS, YOU, YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT NOW WITH THE CITY FOR THIS.

SHOULD THIS GET APPROVED TO, UH, UM, WE, WE ARE MOVE FORWARD ON THE ACQUISITION OF THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES? OR IS THAT STILL UP FOR SUBJECT TO, UH, COUNCIL? THE COUNCILS WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE THAT, YEAH, RIGHT.

MAKE THE DECISION, BUT I MEAN, THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO, TO AUTHORIZE, UM, US SIGNING ONTO THE, THE REZONING REQUEST THAT, THAT WE COULD COME TO AN AGREEMENT FOR, UM, THE TRANSITION OF OWNERSHIP.

AND AS FAR AS THE, THE PARKING, COULD YOU MAYBE JUST COMMENT AGAIN ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR REASONING FOR OR REASON FOR ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE ON THE REDUCED PARKING? UM, WELL, I, TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE ASKING FOR REDUCTION, UH, A VARIANCE IN THE PARKING, AND I CAN CLARIFY REAL QUICK ON THAT.

UM, THE PARKING IS, UH, THE ON STREET PARKING CAN SATISFY THE REQUIRED PARKING IN THE MAIN STREET SUBDISTRICT ON STREET SHARED PARKING IS ENCOURAGED SO THAT ON STREET PARKING CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

SO THAT IS NOT A REQUESTED EXCEPTION HERE.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

IF, IF I MAY, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD SOMETHING GIVEN THERE WAS SOME PREVIOUS COMMENTS SURE.

ABOUT THE PARKING AND THERE WAS TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS PROVIDED AT OTHER PROJECTS AND RICHARDSON, AND WE CAN SPEAK TO OUR EXPERIENCE AND OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS.

WE THINK WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE AT THE ONE FIVE, WE'RE LOOKING TO LIMIT, UM, VARIANCES, UM, AND ASKS FROM THE CITY.

UM, BUT I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY A PROJECT LIKE THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 1.35, UM, TO 1.4 THAN 1.5.

UM, WE THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD.

THERE'S BREATHING ROOM HERE, BUT WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE AND DIDN'T BELIEVE WE WERE MAKING A REQUEST FOR.

WELL, I'M SURE YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE MARKET IS AND YEAH.

WHAT, UH, JUST WANNA GIVE YOU COMFORT TO YEAH, YEAH.

NO, I KNOW.

I'M REALLY DOING IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY ELSE AND THE PUBLIC HERE.

UM, AND, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE BICYCLE PARKING? UH, THAT'S A NEW REQUIREMENT IN RICHARDSON.

UH, HOW DID, I THINK YOU ENDED UP WITH WHAT, SOMETHING LIKE 83 BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, AND YOU LO YOU LOSE PARKING, UH, VEHICLE PARKING FOR, FOR THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME NICE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN TERMS OF MARKET DEMAND FOR BICYCLE PARKING? UM, 83 IS A LOT.

UH, I DON'T EXPECT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE DEMAND FOR 83.

UM, BUT LOOK, WE HAVE BIKE, UH, LOCKER ROOMS AND A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS THAT REALLY TRY TO KIND OF HOLD AND ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 20 BICYCLES, BIKES, UHHUH.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU, VEHICLE PARKING SPACES YOU LOST AS A RESULT OF MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT? WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT MATH, NO.

PROBABLY NOT THAT MANY THOUGH.

UM, OKAY.

AND THEN JUST COULD YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE AMENITY, UH, PUBLIC OPEN SPACES? AGAIN, THESE, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT YOU WANT THAT YOU'RE ORIENTED THAT TOWARDS MAIN STREET AND THAT DISTRICT.

FOR A GOOD PUBLIC ACCESS POINT.

AND SO, UH, THE, THE TWO ON, UH, REALLY ALL THREE OF THOSE ON POLK, ARE THOSE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE? THEY ARE.

ONE IS IDENTIFIED AS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, BUT IT WILL BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.

UM, THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE ON E EITHER SIDE OF THAT GARAGE ACCESS, THAT REALLY, REALLY CREATES A NICE PLAZA AREA, UM, AS ONE OF THE RENDERING SHOWS.

AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THIS REALLY ADDRESSES POLK STREET IN A PROPER WAY, UM,

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AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT THAT'S MARKED PRIVATE, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S FENCED IN OR, UH, YOU KNOW, YET WE, WE DON'T PLAN ON FENCING IT IN.

UM, OKAY.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE LEASING AND AMENITY AREA? UH, I THINK MAYBE IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

IS THAT CORRECT OR HAVE YOU DESI GOTTEN THAT FARM? THE DESIGN? YEAH.

EXCUSE ME.

TYPICALLY WE, WE, WE WILL HAVE DOUBLE VOLUME SPACE AND, AND SO WE'LL HAVE LARGER CEILING HEIGHTS IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR AS IT RELATES TO ALL PROGRAMMING, BUT WE'VE GOT FLEXIBILITY IN THAT STACK TO REALLY GET CREATIVE AND MAKE IT A SPECIAL SPACE.

AND, AND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE, UH, SOUTHWEST OR SOUTHEAST CORNER NEAR THE OFFICE BUILDING, THAT'S GONNA REMAIN, UH, THERE'S A GREEN AREA BETWEEN, UH, THE APARTMENTS AND, UH, AND THAT BUILDING.

WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT YEAH.

AREA? IT, IT JUST A, JUST A SETBACK AREA, SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR DENSITY, UH, END BUILDINGS NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S REMAINING.

AND DO YOU SEE LANDSCAPING, JUST LANDSCAPING IN THERE? THAT'S RIGHT.

WOULD YOU SEE ANY KIND OF FENCING GOING ON ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THERE? UH, I, I DON'T, UNLESS THEY WANTED TO INSTALL A FENCE.

SO, UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WOULD BE, HOW LONG YOU ANTICIPATE THAT TAKING PLACE? SURE.

UH, THERE IS SOME DEMOLITION THAT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE SITE AND SITE CLEARING.

UH, AND SO THAT WILL LIKELY TAKE, YOU KNOW, ONE TO TWO MONTHS, UH, OVERALL CONSTRUCTION PERIOD FOR A PROJECT THIS SIZE SHOULD TAKE NO LONGER THAN TWO YEARS.

SO, UM, WAS THERE A THOUGHT PROCESS FOR NOT TALKING TO ANY OF THE BUSINESSES JUST TO THE NORTH ON POLK, OR, I MEAN, YOU'RE ELIMINATING STAYCATION WITH THIS AS, WHICH REDUCES ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

AND THEN, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE RIGHT ABOUT SO THE OTHER BUSINESSES? SURE.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE LAW FIRM, UM, AND SO WHEN I, WHEN I SAY WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY OUTREACH, WE, WE HAVE HAD THAT TOUCH POINT WITH THE LAW FIRM.

UM, YOU KNOW, STAYCATION, OUR, OUR SELLER HAS OWNS A BUNCH OF PROPERTY, UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN REALLY LIKE TAKING CHARGE ON DOING THE OUTREACH FOR THE AREA.

AND SO JOEL AND I HAVE NOT MADE THAT DIRECT OUTREACH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS.

IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME CARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, GET READ TONIGHT.

I WILL BE, UH, BUT IT, TO MY WAY OF THINKING SOME OF THE BUSINESSES TO THE NORTH WOULD, UH, SUFFER SOME KIND OF INTERRUPTION FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WHICH HAS THE POTENTIAL OF DRIVING SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES IS CERTAINLY IS GONNA IMPACT THEM.

THE RESTAURANTS AND THAT.

AND I, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT KEVIN WAS SAYING, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS, UM, WITH CITY STAFF AND WITH THE SELLER AND OUR SELLER HAS BEEN INVESTED IN, IN THIS AREA AND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A DESIRE TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION FOR STAYCATION ELSEWHERE.

I CAN'T MAKE PROMISES FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THAT IS AN ACTIVE TOPIC THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION FOR.

UM, AND IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT'S ALWAYS A TOPIC THAT WE, WE FACE AND ON EVERY PROJECT WE TALK ABOUT THE DISRUPTION.

I MEAN, WITH THE DISRUPTION, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE POSITIVE OUTCOME AT THE END.

AND WHILE A PROJECT DOES TAKE TWO YEARS, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE PEOPLE WOULD START MOVING IN 16 TO 17 MONTHS AFTER WE BREAK GROUND.

UM, SO AFTER ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, THE PROJECT FOR MORE, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, LOOKS COMPLETE, IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE FINISHING ALL THE UNITS INSIDE THE BUILDING, AND THAT TAKES SOME TIME AS WELL.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER.

DOESN'T MAKE IT GO AWAY, BUT THE DURATION IS, IS NOT QUITE AS LONG AS IT SEEMS. AND, AND WE SHARE THE CONCERN AND DESIRE TO, TO WORK TO RELOCATE TENANTS, BUT WE'VE BEEN CAUTIOUS AND KIND OF TAKE TEAMING WITH THE SELLER WHO HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN RICHARDSON OVER THE YEARS, AND THEY'VE BEEN TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT.

UH, I'D ALSO JUST ADD ON WITH RESPECT TO STAYCATION, WE WE'RE ALSO IN VERY ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT RELOCATION.

SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY THINKING ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T WANNA STEAL THEIR THUNDER WITH ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE SELLER, STAYCATION AND US ARE ALL, ALL CONTEMPLATING AND TRYING TO HELP THEM WITH.

SO , IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS, BUT,

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WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ON THEIR TERMS TO ANNOUNCE AND IT'S NOT REALLY A, A ZONE OF CONSIDERATION.

UNDERSTAND, IT'S, IT'S NOT A LAND USE CONSIDERATION.

SO I HAVE TROUBLE SEEING HOW THIS 275 UNIT WRAP MULTIFAMILY IS GONNA ACTUALLY PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND CONNECTIVITY IN THIS MAIN STREET AREA.

UM, THERE'S KIND OF A VISION FOR THE MAIN STREET AREA AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE FOUR STORY WRAP MULTIFAMILY, I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER AREAS LIKE, UH, BELL LINE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A PLAN FOR RETAIL AT ALL IN HERE.

IS THERE? THERE'S NOT, NO.

SO MY THOUGHT IS JUST THAT, UM, I'M NOT SURE IT ADVANCES THE VISION FOR THE AREA.

I, I WOULD ADD, I WOULD SAY WE, UM, OVER A 14 TO 15 YEAR PERIOD, UM, WITH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF CARROLLTON, BUILT OVER A THOUSAND APARTMENTS WITH 'EM.

SOME HAD RETAIL, SOME DIDN'T.

ALL OF IT WITH A GOAL OF CREATING DENSITY IN A, IN AN AREA THAT SUPPORTS RETAIL.

AS A RESULT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, WE SAW OVER A HALF A DOZEN NEW RESTAURANTS COME OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF ADDED PEOPLE, RESIDENTS LIVING IN DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THE WALKABILITY THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.

ALL THAT SUPPORTED WALKABILITY, URBAN LIVING, BROUGHT MORE DENSITY TO AN AREA AND HELPED SUPPORT RETAIL THAT WAS THERE AND BRING MORE RETAIL TO AN AREA.

UM, AND THEN THAT'S SUCCESS WE'VE SEEN ON PROJECTS WE'VE WORKED ON AS WELL AS OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE NOT WORKED ON.

SO I, I THINK ONE CONCEPT IN, IN URBAN DEVELOPMENT IS MORE DENSITY, UM, WILL BRING RETAIL AND SUPPORT THE RETAIL THAT'S, THAT'S THERE.

AND SOMETIMES NOT HAVING RETAIL IN EVERY PROJECT ALLOWS THE RETAIL THAT IS THERE ON MAINE AND ELSEWHERE TO THRIVE AND NOT DILUTE THE EXISTING RETAIL BY PULLING PEOPLE AWAY FROM WHERE IT'S THRIVING.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, YEAH, YOU BET.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME ARGUMENT FOR BELTLINE.

LET'S INCREASE THE DENSITY AND RETAIL WILL COME, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN ANY OF THAT, SO, BUT THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UH, AND CAN YOU JUST COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO GO TO FOUR STORIES VERSUS THREE, THE THREE STORIES AND WHY, WHY YOU HAD A NEED THERE TO, TO GO HIRE.

I MEAN, IT IS ALL JUST ECONOMICS, FINANCIALLY TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE, IT IS A DRIVER OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, UM, CONSTRUCTION RELATED OR, UH, I THINK ECONOMICS IS A BIG PART OF IT AND IN ORDER TO, TO, TO TRY AND MAKE THE PROJECT WORK.

BUT I ALSO THINK SOME OF THE SHARED GOALS THAT THE CITY HAS IN TERMS OF CREATING A THRIVING MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS WALKABLE.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST REGURGITATE WHAT I JUST SAID, BUT I THINK IT, IT, IT DEFINITELY IS IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING MORE DENSITY AND IN AN AREA THAT WILL HELP THE WALKABILITY, WHICH WILL HELP RETAIL.

I THINK IT GOES HAND IN HAND, BUT YES, UM, WE WERE SOLVING TO MAKE THE, THE PROJECT FEASIBLE.

AND, AND, UM, I GOT A COUPLE MORE THOUGHTS.

ONE WAS WE HAD IN OUR REPORT, UM, A CONCERN ABOUT THE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS AND CHILDREN.

DID YOU HAVE, HOW MANY, HOW MANY KIDS DO YOU THINK WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIVING IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS, THAT SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE ATTENDING? UM, ELEMENTARY, JUNIOR HIGH, HIGH SCHOOL? WHAT'S THAT? GO AHEAD.

I MEAN, I WOULD SAY WE, UM, IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY QUITE LIMITED.

WE DID HAVE TO DO A, A, A SCHOOL TYPE REPORT IN, IN ANOTHER, UM, CITY IN NORTH TEXAS.

AND, UM, I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD EXCEPT THAT I WOULD TELL YOU IT IS A SMALL, UM, PER VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT THAT, UM, IS OF SCHOOL AGE, UM, THAT COULD CHANGE BY CITY.

BUT THESE ARE SMALL UNITS, PREDOMINANTLY ONE BEDROOMS, AVERAGE UNIT SIZE IS 850 SQUARE FEET, NOT ENTIRELY CONDUCIVE TO FAMILIES, LARGELY ONES.

AND SOME TWOS, UM, WITH OVER 70% OF THE U UNITS BEING A ONE BEDROOM UNIT.

SO I THINK A, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT WOULD, UM, HAVE STUDENTS IN IT, OR, YEAH.

COMMISSIONER BEACH, THIS IS MORE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T COME TO MY MIND TONIGHT.

HOW FAR IS IT FROM THIS LOCATION TO THE NEAREST START STATION? IT'S A HALF MILE TO SPRING VALLEY TO THE SOUTH WALKING DISTANCE.

UH, COMMISSIONER SOUTHERN? YES.

SPRING VALLEY AT THE SOUTH IS THE NEAREST ONE? YES.

UH, TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF APARTMENTS OR WHAT LEVEL THEY ARE, ARE THESE ALL MARKET RATE? YES,

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COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, THIS IS FOR STAFF.

IF, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAINE, AREN'T THERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE ABOUT TO COME ONLINE ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE, ON THE NORTH SIDE? THE BELT PLUS MAIN PROJECT? YES.

THEY'RE STARTING TO PHASE IN OCCUPANCY.

HOW MANY, UH, DO YOU KNOW RIGHT OFF THE TOP? HOW MANY? I BELIEVE IT WAS 350.

ADDING TO THE DENSITY 3, 3 50, 3 75, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I NOW I'VE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN IT.

SO , I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WHEN I THINK OF IT.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE, UM, FROM ANYONE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE PUBLIC? NO, SIR.

WITH, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO STICK TO THE CODE THAT WE AGREED TO 10 YEARS AGO, RESTRICT THE LIMIT ON THE HEIGHT TO WHAT WAS AGREED PREVIOUSLY, AND TO, UM, MOVE AT A MINIMUM THE, THE GARBAGE LOCATION TO ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT SAID THEY WANNA SPEAK.

UM, YOU HAVE CARDS YOU WANNA CALL OUT? UM, YES.

UM, PAT KINDER.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M PAT KINDER, UH, OWN THE HOME AT ONE 14 EAST KAUFMAN STREET, UM, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE TRASH FACILITY REPRESENTING ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WERE NOT CONTACTED AT ALL PRIOR TO, UM, THIS PROJECT BEING PRESENTED.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THAT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD SENT IN THE OPPOSITION COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE, UH, BY THE COMMISSION.

JUST WANNA REITERATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THE ELEVATION WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KAUFFMAN STREET SINCE THERE WERE NO ELEVATION SHOWN.

UH, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RIGHT AT ALMOST EXACTLY THE 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY FROM WHEN THE MAIN STREET, UM, CODE WAS PUT IN PLACE.

AND MY FAMILY AND I AND OTHERS WERE VERY INVOLVED AND ACTIVE AT THAT TIME.

UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON THE BLOCK IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THE FIVE THAT ARE LISTED, FOUR OF THEM WERE STILL OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WERE OWNING THEM 10 YEARS AGO.

THE ONLY ONE THAT'S CHANGED IS THE FACT THAT MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THE ONE THAT'S AT ONE 14 EAST COFFMAN STREET.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE OWN ON THE PROPERTY THERE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS ABOUT EVERYBODY WANTING TO PUT THE DUMPSTER OR THE TRASH FACILITY DIRECTLY IN, FAR ACROSS OR NEXT TO OUR FACILITY, BUT I THINK IF, IF Y'ALL RECALL BACK IN, UH, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER TIME TIMEFRAME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEST, UH, WELLNESS VILLAGE, THE DUMPSTER WAS BEING PROPOSED BEING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE WEST SIDE OF OUR, OF OUR HOUSE THERE AT ONE 14 EAST KAUFMAN.

AND WE ALL CAME TO AN AGREEMENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER, AND IT'S NOW BEEN RELOCATED TO TEXAS STREET.

AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THIS MAY NOT BE A DUMPSTER SITUATION, UH, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SOUTH SIDE OF KAUFMAN, THE THE WAY THAT THAT PAVEMENT IS DIRECTED AND THE WAY OUR DRIVEWAY IS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE IMPACT, WHETHER IT BE FROM ODOR, WHETHER IT BE FROM TRASH VEHICLES BACKING, LOADING, UNLOADING.

AND I SEE NO REASON WHY THE TRASH FACILITY COULDN'T BE LOCATED ON THE TEXAS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE ANY RESIDENCES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET FROM WHERE THE COLLECTION IS BEING DONE.

SO I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THAT BE REDIRECTED.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHEN WE WERE HERE 10 YEARS AGO, WE MADE IT A POINT, UM, TO HAVE THE, THE HEIGHT BEING LIMITED TO THE THREE STORIES, UM, THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET THERE.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT JUST A RESIDENTIAL ZONING, BUT THAT IS WHAT IS THERE NOW AND THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO BE THERE FOR DECADES TO COME.

SO RATHER, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE COMMISSION, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT WHAT IT IS ZONED FOR, LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE CURRENTLY AND PROVIDE PROTECTION TO THE CURRENT HOMEOWNERS WHO DO HAVE SINGLE STORY HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.

WE'VE INVESTED IN THEM, WE'RE PROUD OF THEM.

AND I DON'T WANNA STEP OUT THE FRONT DOOR AND BE STARING STRAIGHT UP AT LET ALONE A THREE STORY BUILDING.

CERTAINLY NOT A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT NOW WE'RE GOING BEYOND WHAT THE CODE PROVIDES FOR IN TERMS OF AN ALLOWANCE FROM A HEIGHT AND A STORIES.

WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC IN PUSHING FOR THAT YEARS AGO.

AND I JUST WOULD WOULD NOTE THAT IN CHINATOWN, UH, WHERE THERE IS A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE IT'S NEXT TO HOMES IN THAT AREA, IT'S THE SAME PROTECTION FOR DUPLEXES AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THERE WITH THAT SAME HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE OVERALL MAIN STREET CODE.

SO, UM, I REALIZE I'M, I'M SHORT ON TIME, UH, BUT WHILE AS A, AS A WHOLE I AGREE THAT I THINK THIS DECREASES THE WALKABILITY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION ELECTS TO MOVE FORWARD

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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, CHRISTINA.

SEBASTIAN.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN.

MY ADDRESS IS TWO 10 EAST KAUFMAN STREET.

MY PARTNER AND I MOVED TO DOWNTOWN RICHARDSON BECAUSE OF THE VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT WE SEE AND THAT WE KNOW IS MORE TO COME AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO REINVEST IN THE AREA.

UM, WE'VE KNOWN THESE LOTS ARE GOING TO REDEVELOP.

I'M NOT SURPRISED TO SEE APARTMENTS ARE USED FOR THEM.

UM, I DO NOTE THAT IN THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MISS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IS IDENTIFIED AS AN APPROPRIATE TYPE OF HOUSING IN, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TYPE THAT IS LOCATED HERE.

UM, MY MAIN CONCERN HAS LARGELY BEEN BROUGHT UP ALREADY.

UM, BUT I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT THERE, THERE WASN'T A COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING A RENDERING FOR KAUFFMAN STREET.

UM, I'LL NOTE THAT THE RENDERINGS, UM, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT ARE TIED TO THE APPROVAL.

UM, SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE SHOULD BE RENDERINGS FROM ALL SIDES SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE IN AGREEMENT ON WHAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE.

UM, I DO HAVE CONCERN FROM MY NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE SINGLE STORY HOMES, UM, FOR THAT TRANSITION FROM FOUR STORIES TO, UH, TO THESE SINGLE STORY HOMES, ESPECIALLY WITH A ZERO TO 10 FOOT SETBACK.

UM, AND THEN I JUST WANNA, UH, REITERATE, I I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOSS OF PUBLIC PARKING, UM, AND THE LOSS OF MCKINNEY STREET, THOUGH I COULD SEE THAT IT COULD WORK.

I KNOW IT'S CHALLENGING TO DESIGN THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE WITH MORE TIME AND MORE CONVERSATION WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, UM, WE COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER.

THANK YOU, STANLEY THOMAS.

HI, I'M STANLEY THOMAS.

I LIVE AT TWO 14 EAST KAUFMAN STREET.

UH, I REPRESENT THE, UH, THE KAUFMAN BROWNSTONE TOWN HOMES.

UH, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH KAUFMAN STREET.

SO PART OF THE ISSUE IS HOW IS IT GONNA AFFECT THE EASEMENT IN FRONT OF OUR TOWN HOMES? LIKE, ARE THEY GOING TO, UH, EXPAND WHEN THEY, ARE THEY GONNA EXPAND KAUFMAN STREET? WHICH WAY ARE THEY GONNA DO IT? HOW DOES IT AFFECT OUR, UH, IN FRONT OF OUR TOWN HOMES? UM, HOW MUCH WAS IT THE, THE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO ACCESS OUR TOWN HOMES? THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY INTO OUR TOWN HOMES AND IT'S A PUBLIC STREET RIGHT NOW CALLED ERIC COURT.

AND THERE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR TOWN HOMES.

SO THE CON WE FEEL THE CONSTRUCTION WILL AFFECT THAT.

AND ALSO WITH THE INCREASED FOOT TRAFFIC OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK CITY TO CONSIDER MAKING ERIC COURT A PRIVATE STREET FROM PUBLIC BECAUSE IT LITERALLY GOES INTO OUR TOWN HOMES AND DEAD ENDS THERE TO OUR GARAGES, IT GOES NOWHERE ELSE.

AND WE WANTED TO KNOW IF THEY COULD, UH, UH, GET A GATED TO VOID INCREASING LIABILITY FROM THE PROP, UH, LIABILITY TO OUR PROPERTIES.

ALSO WITH THE TRASH ON THE LOCATION OF THE TRASH ON KAUFFMAN STREET.

RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T PUT OUT ANY OF OUR TRASH UNTIL THE MORNING OF BECAUSE OF ANIMALS.

'CAUSE IF YOU PUT OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE, THERE'S ANIMALS EVERYWHERE TEARING UP THE TRASH.

AND WE FI WE, WE THINK THAT HAVING THE TRASH ON THAT STREET IS JUST GONNA INVITE ALL KIND OF WILDLIFE AROUND THERE AND TEAR IT UP.

AND THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL I WANNA KNOW OF CONCERNS.

UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

AND, UM, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU JUST HEARD.

UH, ANY ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, UM, BEFORE WE ASK THE APPLICANT BACK? OKAY, JOEL AND, UH, KEVIN, Y'ALL WANNA COME BACK UP

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SURE.

AND I'LL ADDRESS TWO AND THEN, UM, AND HAPPY TO HAVE KEVIN, UM, ADDRESS ANY OTHERS THAT I MISSED.

BUT MOST NOTABLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY.

IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AGAIN, UNDERSTANDABLY SO.

NOBODY WANTS TRASH IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME.

AND SO I THINK IT'S WORTH BRINGING BACK UP.

UM, THE SITE PLANT.

UM, SO THAT GRAY AREA ON KAUFMAN THAT SHOWS THE TRASH THAT'S INSIDE OUR BUILDING, IT'S TUCKED UNDERNEATH A BUILDING, A BUILDING THAT RESIDENTS LIVE IN, BOTH ABOVE AND ADJACENT TO.

UM, RESIDENTS WILL BE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY IN RENT.

AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOOD JOBS THAT WANT TO CALL THE RICHARDSON HOME.

SO IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE A FREESTANDING DUMPSTER OUT THERE THAT IS GONNA BE UNSIGHTLY.

IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY BUILT IN TUCKED INSIDE OF OUR BUILDING AND IT'LL BE ACCESSED SIMPLY TO REMOVE ON A WEEKLY BASIS.

AND SO, UM, WE SHARE THE CONCERN THAT YOU DO.

THIS IS A VERY NICE PROJECT AND WE'LL ATTRACT GREAT RESIDENTS THAT WANNA LIVE DOWN HERE.

AND SO, UM, AND BE OPERATED AND OWNED BY VERY INSTITUTIONAL, UM, OWNERSHIP.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE'D WANT IS FOR ANY NEGATIVE ASPECTS SURROUNDING TRASH.

'CAUSE NOT ONLY WOULD IT IMPACT YOU, IT WOULD IMPACT THE RESIDENTS IN THIS PROJECT.

UM, WHICH WOULD NOT BE GOOD IF IT WAS NOT HANDLED IN A GREAT MANNER IN TERMS OF ACCESS, UM, TO THE TOWN HOMES OFF KAUFMAN STREET, WE CLEARLY WOULD HAVE TO WORK, UM, WITH THE CITY ON, ON, ON A PLAN.

WE WOULD NOT BE SHUTTING DOWN KAUFMAN, UM, PERMANENTLY AT, AT OUR DECISION.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A REBUILDING OF KAUFMAN THAT WOULD OCCUR AND A PHASING OF THAT REBUILDING TO ALLOW ACCESS INTO THE TOWN HOMES.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D BE, WE'D COORDINATE WITH, WITH CITY STAFF AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN TERMS OF THE RENDERING, UM, I THINK WE ADDRESSED THE COMMENT EARLIER, I THINK WHAT THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS ARE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS URBAN STREETSCAPE AND THIS DIRECT ACCESS TO THE STREET IS VERY NICE.

UM, WE, WE DID RENDER THE, THE POKE SIDE AND NOT THE KAUFMAN SIDE BECAUSE OUR INTENTION IS FOR IT TO BE EXECUTED IN THE SAME MANNER AS YOU SAW IN THOSE RENDERINGS AROUND THE SITE.

UM, HAPPY TO COME BACK AND SHOW THAT AT A LATER DATE.

UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY, UM, GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY THAT THAT IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.

AND WHAT WE WILL DO IS WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THOSE RENDERINGS AROUND THE SITE.

I DUNNO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D WANNA ADDRESS.

THREE STORY, FOUR STORY.

OH, IN TERMS OF THREE OR FOUR.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE REASONS WHY, UM, WE, WE HEAR, UM, THE CONCERN, UM, FROM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT IS WE WILL NOT BE FEASIBLE AT THREE STORIES.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DECISION FOR PLAN, COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WHETHER THAT'S ACCEPTABLE OR NOT.

UM, BUT IT'S A CRITICAL, CRITICAL PART OF, OF OUR PLAN.

AND, AND HONESTLY WITH THE TOWN HOMES, UM, ACROSS THE STREET AT THREE STORIES, UH, WE THINK BUILDING UP DENSITY TOWARDS MAIN STREET OF ONE ADDITIONAL STORY, UM, IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY AN INAPPROPRIATE SIZING OF THE PROJECT, UH, BUT APPRECIATE THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANKS.

AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAD AFTER HEARING THE PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, MAYBE WOULD, UH, WOULD YOU ADDRESS MAYBE THE STREET SCAPE AGAIN FOR KAUFMAN? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S UP HERE ON THEIR SLIDE DECK OR IT'S NOT ON OURS.

IT WAS ON THE, YEAH, LEMME GO BACK THAT, THAT WAS IN OUR, UM, IN OUR PRESENTATION.

UM, BASICALLY YOU, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT THERE.

THERE'S, UM, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN KAUFFMAN IS, IS WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THE TRAVEL LANES OF, OF KAUFFMAN.

UM, IT'LL JUST BE FROM WHAT EXISTS, UM, KIND OF NORTH OF, OF KAUFFMAN.

WE WILL ADD, UM, DRAINAGE, UH, ON STREET PARKING, UH, THAT GREEN KIND OF AMENITY STRIP WHERE THERE BE SOME LANDSCAPING, SOME STREET TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, AND THEN A SIDEWALK BEFORE IT TRANSITIONS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IN THEIR BUILDING.

UM, SO THAT'S, UM, I I DON'T REMEMBER THE, THE NUMBERS AND WITS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED.

UH, AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE NORTH SIDE OF KAUFMAN.

WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING ON THE SOUTHERN, UH, PORTION OF KAUFMAN, UH, AT THIS TIME.

UM, THEN, UH, I DON'T FORESEE US HAVING A A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WHAT ABOUT ERIC COURT AND THE COMMENT THAT WE HEARD OUT THERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO ON THAT? YEAH, UM, I, I, IF THE, I THINK THE INTENT IS, UH, BASED ON WHAT I HEARD WAS, WAS, WAS FOR A GATE WE HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR A GATE THAT REQUIRES, UM, THERE, THERE'D BE THERE TO BE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF QUEUE OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY IN CASE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE GATE OR WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO UNLOCK IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND ALSO A TURNAROUND.

SO IF SAY A DELIVERY TRUCK OR SOMETHING'S TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND NOBODY'S HOME, THEY CAN, THEY CAN TURN AROUND WITHOUT HAVING TO BACK UP AND CAUSE ISSUES.

SO IF ALL OF THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS COULD BE MET,

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UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT TO SEE IF IT WAS FEASIBLE THOUGH.

AND HAVE YOU DONE ANY ENGINEERING STUDIES ON, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS YET? UM, IN TERMS OF SEWER LINE CAPACITIES, YOU KNOW, WATER LINES, ALL THAT? YES.

BACK WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL VISIONING, UH, FOR, FOR THIS AREA, WE DID SOME OF THAT, UM, THAT STUDY, UH, AND DETERMINED THAT, UH, NO, NO UPSIZING WOULD BE NEED NEEDED.

WE ARE GONNA REPLACE, UM, SOME WATER AND SEWER LINES.

THOSE WOULD BE ON THE POLK SIDE THOUGH, SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY POLK IS GETTING, UH, COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE ARE, UH, REPLACING NOT FOR CAPACITY, JUST FOR AGE AND RELIABILITY.

MR. SUTER, I THINK THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MR. GOFF TOO.

UM, CONCERNING THE, UH, TRUCK, UH, ACCESS FOR THE, UH, TRASH PICKUP, WHAT'S, WHAT SIZE TRUCK WOULD PROBABLY BE USED IF THAT'S A CITY AND WOULD IT BE, UM, THE KIND WHERE A LARGE CONTAINER IS LOADED ON THE TRUCK OR SOMETHING ELSE? IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FRONT LOADER OF SOME KIND THAT IT WOULD PICK IT UP AND KIND OF DUMP IT OVER ITS HEAD.

UH, WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH THEM ON, ON SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND WHATNOT.

UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT NOT MUCH, NOT A MUCH BIGGER TRUCK THAN IS USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PICKUP.

SO ACCESS FROM KAUFMAN STREET INTO THAT AREA SHOULDN'T BE MUCH OF AN ISSUE.

NO, IT, IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AT ALL.

UM, THOSE STREET, THOSE TRUCKS ARE DESIGNED TO GO IN, IN MUCH NARROWER ALLEYS.

I MEAN, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS, UM, ON, ON THOSE BUSINESSES IN BETWEEN, UM, POLK AND, AND BELTLINE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF ALLEYS WITH, UM, WITH THESE THINGS THAT THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO FIT DOWN.

SO THERE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE WITH MANEUVERING THE, THE TRUCK, UM, AND GETTING TO THE, TO THE, UM, TRASH BIN.

AND WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE THAT ALL OF THAT LOADING WOULD BE IN THAT GRAY AREA? YES, SIR.

SO IT SHOULDN'T BE VERY EXPOSED, UH, VISUALLY EXPOSED? THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, AND, AND CLEARLY AND JUST FROM A, UM, THE TIMES PER WEEK AND, AND, AND JUST LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, KEEPING IT CLEAN, THERE'S, WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT AREA, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY INCENTIVIZED TO, TO OPERATE THAT IN A WAY THAT IS CLEAN AND TIDY AND ALSO, UM, AS INFREQUENT.

BUT YET YOU, YOU STILL WANT TO PICK UP TRASH REGULARLY TO KEEP SOME OF THOSE OTHER CONCERNS AT BAY AS WELL.

UM, SO ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

YOU BET.

UH, MY QUESTIONS MR. FOR MR. GOFF, UM, I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I, I DON'T THINK WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BEFORE.

YOU SAID THAT THERE'S A PLAN TO COMPLETELY RE RECONSTRUCT GOLF FOR WATER DRAINAGE POLK STREET FOR POLK.

EXCUSE ME.

POLK? YES.

I GAVE YOU A STREET, SORRY.

MAYBE ONE DAY OUT, CORRECT.

YEAH, WE, UM, THE, WE WE'D RECONSTRUCT, UH, POLK, UM, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LIMITS TO AGAIN, UM, DO ALL OF, ALL OF THE UTILITIES, UH, UNDER THE STREET.

WE'D UNDERGROUND THE OVERHEAD UTILITIES SIMILAR TO LIKE WE DID ON MCKINNEY AND BELTLINE, UM, DO ALL THE STREET SCAPING ON STREET PARKING, BIKE LANES, ET CETERA.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WITH THE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE THAT MUCH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM ON SITE.

ANY ESTIMATE ON HOW LONG YOU THINK THAT'S, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S BEING TRIGGERED BY THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT REQUEST.

CORRECT.

WE, WE WOULD DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROJECT SIMILAR LIKE WE DID ON BELT PLUS MAIN ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BELT LINE.

UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD RUN IT CONCURRENT WITH THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF, OF THIS PROJECT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

WOULD THAT IMPROVE POLK ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SERVICE ROAD OF 75? NO, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, LIMITING IT TO, UH, POLK TO, UH, I BELIEVE IN HER URBAN IS, IS WHAT THE LINK WOULD BE.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER POYNTER, UH, I'M REFERRING TO A EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT IN THE AREA.

AND SO THIS QUESTION I THINK IS PROBABLY FOR YOU MR. GOFF, AND IT SAYS, UH, MATURE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THE NORTH AND SOUTH PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, HOPEFUL.

IDEALLY THESE, THEY FIND WAYS TO KEEP THESE TREES AS PART OF THE PUBLIC SPACE.

SO INCORPORATING THAT COMMENT INTO TO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS OF, OF BOTH THEIR PROJECT AND, AND OUR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, UM, IF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE, UM, TREES, UH, EASILY, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT THE DESIGN.

UM, IF NOT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THE, THE TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS FOR.

SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT TO, TO MITIGATE ANY TREES THAT ARE TAKEN DOWN ON THE SITE.

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HOWEVER, THERE WOULD BE STREET TREES GOING INTO THE AMENITIES AMENITY SPACE IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE ON STREET PARKING.

SO THEY, THEY WOULD REGAIN SOME TREES THERE.

YOU KNOW, I'M HAVE WONDERMENT ABOUT STREET TREES , SO, OKAY.

SO, ALRIGHT.

I DID REMEMBER MY QUESTION.

PREVAGEN .

UM, SO WHY, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU LIKED ABOUT THE SITE AND THIS OPPORTUNITY IN RICHARDSON IN GENERAL THAT, YOU KNOW, MADE YOU GUYS WANNA DO THIS PRO PROJECT? SURE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE, UM, DEVELOPING ALONG, UM, THE DART LINE.

I MEAN, WE LOVE IT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, KEVIN WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL IN RICHARDSON.

WE ALL LIVE IN, IN THIS AREA.

WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE BENEFITS OF, OF RICHARDSON.

I THINK IT, WE HAVE A LAND USE PLAN THAT CONTEMPLATES THIS USE.

WE LIKE TO SAY THAT WE LIKE TO SWIM WITH THE CURRENT, NOT AGAINST IT.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING MULTIFAMILY AND, AND OR, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PUT A USE ON A SITE THAT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED BEFORE WE SHOWED UP.

TONIGHT, WE RECOGNIZE WE ARE MAKING AN ASK FOR SOME VARIANCES.

WE'VE EXPLAINED THE REASONS WHY, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF A VISION FOR THE CITY, AND IN KEEPING WITH SOME OF, WITH A PROJECT THAT'S, UM, BEING COMPLETED RIGHT NOW, UH, WE, WE, I SEE SIMILARITIES.

SOME OF THE MOST PROUD PROJECT I HAVE IS ONE THAT I WORKED 14 YEARS ON IN CARROLLTON, AND SEEING HOW THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA HAS RESULTED IN A, IN WALKABILITY RETAIL AND A REALLY VIBRANT AREA THAT HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE BIG REASONS.

I THINK OUTSIDE OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY GREAT SCHOOLS, GREAT COMMUNITY, GREAT EMPLOYMENT, THERE'S GREAT ACCESS, ALL THE THINGS THAT HELP SUPPORT, UM, A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

BUT THAT'S A RAMBLING ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, SO, AND WHICH HIGH SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO? I WENT TO BERGNER HIGH SCHOOL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER PURDY? YES.

KIND OF FOLLOWING ON TO COMMISSIONER MARCH'S QUESTION, HOW FAR OUT IN TIME DOES CBRE LIKE EXTRAPOLATE PROJECTIONS ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS? AND MAYBE TO ASK MORE DIRECTLY, DOES THIS PROJECT STILL MAKE SENSE FOR ITS INTENT TODAY IN LIKE, THE YEAR 2050? YEAH, I, I, I, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, I WOULD SAY A PRO 2050, UM, THAT, THAT FEELS LIKE A LONG WAYS AWAY, BUT, UM, IT'S CLOSER THAN 1990.

SO, UM, I THINK, UH, THAT MAKES ME FEEL OLD, UM, , BUT I THINK ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN, PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE BUILT IN A, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.

I MEAN, YOU CAN DRIVE BY APARTMENTS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AND THEY DON'T LOOK GREAT.

UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THE FOUNDATIONS WEREN'T GOOD.

THEY DIDN'T WATERPROOF 'EM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION SCIENCES THAT WE HAVE TODAY TO MAKE SURE BUILDINGS LIKE THIS ARE DRY AND TIGHT AND STABLE.

THAT'S ALL CHANGED, UM, DRAMATICALLY.

I'D ALSO SAY THE BIGGEST OWNER OF APARTMENTS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE FOLKS LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THROUGH RETIREMENT FUNDS FOR OH ONE K FUNDS.

THE INSTITUTIONALIZATION OF MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY OVER THE LAST 20 TO 30 YEARS.

IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PENSION FUND OR A 401K FUND OWNED ASSETS LIKE THIS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THEY'RE BUILT TO LAST.

NOW ARE THEY 200 YEAR BUILDINGS? NO, BUT THEY DEFINITELY ARE A DIFFERENT BUILDING TODAY THAN THEY WERE IN 1970 WHEN I THINK A LOT OF THE MULTIFAMILY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE, UM, IS IT WAS FROM THAT AREA.

AND THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE DEFINITELY BUILT, UM, FOR A MUCH LONGER TIME HORIZON THAN THAN 2050.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

ANY OTHER HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

I'LL SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.

UM, DELIBERATIONS, DISCUSSIONS.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, I KNOW YOU HAD A NUMBER OF ITEMS THERE.

SO, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, UM, I THINK THE VARIANCE ON THE HEIGHT IS PROBLEMATIC.

UM, YOU KNOW, FOR BOTH

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THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, UM, NOT SO MUCH FOR THE OTHER THREE STORY TOWN HOMES THAT ARE THERE, DEFINITELY FOR THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOMES.

AND, UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, I THINK THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT ADDING THE DENSITY HERE IS THE BEST USE OF THE SPACE.

I'M NOT SURE IT PROMOTES THE WALKABILITY AND THE CONNECTIVITY AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED IN, IN VISION AND IN THE PLAN FOR THE MAIN STREET AREA.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

YOU KNOW, HAVING A FOUR STORY, WE CAN SEE WHAT THE RENDERING LOOKS LIKE HERE.

HAVING A FOUR STORY WRAP, 275 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, YES, IT ADDS DENSITY, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT ADDS LIVABILITY.

I'M NOT SURE IT PROMOTES.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I I JUST, I, I DON'T SEE IT, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE VISION OF THE AREA COMMISSIONER BEACH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES WERE FOLKS ALONG KAUFMAN STREET RESENTED THE FACT THAT NO ONE HAD COMMUNICATED WITH THEM.

AND SO I'M WONDERING, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT THIS PERHAPS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO GIVE, TO GIVE, UH, TRAMMELL CROW GENTLEMEN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO INTERACT WITH THEM, TO KIND OF GET DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN ALL FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE OF A WIN-WIN? NOT WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME? ALL RIGHT.

WELL, UH, I'LL, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE CITY.

UH, I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY EVIDENCED BY THE CITY'S, UH, WILLINGNESS TO, UM, WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE PROPERTIES IT OWNS, INCLUDING MCKINNEY STREET AND THOSE PRIVATE LOTS.

UH, SO I THINK THAT'S SOME INDICATION OF, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CITY IS AT.

UM, I DO, UM, TO ME, I, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR STORY IN TERMS OF THE SCALE.

UM, I THINK WHAT DOWNTOWN NEEDS IS MORE DENSITY, NEEDS MORE RESIDENTS, NEEDS MORE PE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY MORE, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS WILL BRING.

I DO THINK IT FITS EXACTLY IN WITH THE VISION OF WHAT WAS PLANNED, UM, AS, AS STAFF PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL STUDIES FOR THE DOWNTOWN COURT, IN FACT HAD A APARTMENT PROJECT ON THE WESTERN HALF OF THIS BLOCK.

SO I THINK IT MEETS THAT, AND IT CERTAINLY MEETS IN TERMS OF THE ENVISION, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UM, AND, UH, I THINK THE OVERALL DESIGN, EVEN THOUGH IN CONCEPT IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF THE ARTICULATION OF BOTH THE VERTICAL, HORIZONTAL, HAVING THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACES ON POLE, ORIENTING IT TOWARDS MAIN STREET.

UNFORTUNATELY THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, KAUFMAN IS NOT WHERE THE RETAIL ACTIVITY, WHERE WE WANT THE RESTAURANTS, STORES, THE FOOT TRAFFIC SO MUCH.

UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SOME, SOME PART OF IT HAS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU STILL HAVE TO CREATE THE DENSITY.

UM, BUT I, I THINK WITH THE, UM, THE, THE UNITS, THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS BEING ORIENTED TO THE STREET WITH THE, THE DOORWAYS, THE STOOPS, PORCHES, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING, THE SIDEWALKS, THE, THE, THE TREE SCAPE, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY CREATES A VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ENVIRONMENT, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED KIND OF ENVIRONMENT THAT I THINK IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT'S THERE TODAY.

UM, THE, UM, I THINK THE PARKING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHER, UH, PROJECTS OF SIMILAR NATURE.

UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IN TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS, URBAN DEVELOPMENTS, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A CONCERN THERE.

UH, THEY MET THE, THE, AS FAR AS THE OPEN SPACE AT 15% PRIVATE OR 8% PUBLIC.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE BOTH PRETTY HIGH STANDARDS, AND I THINK THAT WHERE THEY'RE ENDING UP AT 12 IS, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE.

UM, AND AGAIN, I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON, IT'S ORIENTED ON POLK AND TOWARDS MAIN STREET.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE, ONE THING I MAYBE WAS A LITTLE CONCERN WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BLOCK SIZE AND CLOSING OFF MCKINNEY AND THE ACCESS.

UM,

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BUT I THINK IN THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU HAVE THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO LOSE IT.

UH, THE, THE, THE BLOCK, THE, THE SIZE OF THE, THE BLOCK'S JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH, UH, TO DO IT OTHERWISE.

UM, SO OVERALL I'M IN, UH, FAVOR OF IT.

I THINK THAT, UH, THAT GENERALLY I'M IN FAVOR OF IT TOO.

UH, ONE ELEMENT THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED VERY MUCH IS THE BENEFIT IT WILL BE TO THE BUSINESSES, TO THE NORTH.

UM, I'M SORRY THAT SOMEONE REPRESENTING THAT AREA ISN'T HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, TO COMMENT ON IT, BUT I THINK THAT WILL BE A REAL BOON FOR, UH, UH, FOR SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN, UH, TWO OR THREE BLOCK WALK.

SO, UH, UH, I, I CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SOME FINE TUNING, UH, BUT GENERALLY I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

SO I THINK, UH, AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND, AND I ALSO REGRET THAT THERE'S NOT SOMEBODY TO SPEAK FOR THE BUSINESS IMMEDIATE TO THE NORTH ON POLK STREET, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MY GUESS IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA SUFFER QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN SAY YOU GOTTA BREAK A FEW EGGS TO MAKE AN OMELET, BUT, UH, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF ALL THE BUSINESSES FACING POLK ON THE NORTH, ON THE NORTH SIDE ARE GONNA BE DRIVEN OUT.

MAYBE NOT THE LAW FIRM, YOU KNOW, BUT CERTAINLY THE RESTAURANTS AT EITHER END OF THE BLOCK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT THE IMPACT IS OR WHETHER THOSE FOLKS HAVE BEEN TALKED TO OR WHAT THEIR THOUGHT IS.

UH, THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTED, SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT TWO YEARS OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND ON POLK AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA REDO THE STREET AND ALL THAT IS GONNA BE POSITIVE FOR THOSE BUSINESSES.

SO THAT'S ALSO A THING THAT, UH, I THINK HAS TO BE CONSIDERED MR. KELLER.

SO, UM, I AGREE WITH MOST OF, UH, CHAIRMAN MARSH'S COMMENTS.

I I DON'T REALLY WANT TO REHASH ANY OF THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A TOUGH CALL, UH, IN THE SENSE THAT I, I THINK THAT IT DOES, UH, FIT WITH THE VISION.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN THAT I DO PERSONALLY HAVE ABOUT, UM, THE, THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND, AND THE VISION THAT, UM, I THINK I WANT, AND THE, AND THE CITY, UH, WANTS AND, AND THE COMMUNITY WANTS, UM, BY VIRTUE OF THE VISION THAT THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED, IS, UM, THAT KIND OF MIXED USE FEEL AND THE PEDESTRIAN NATURE AND, UH, THE VIBRANCY OF, OF THE BUSINESSES, UM, DOWN THERE IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED JUST IN TERMS OF THE, UM, AREA THAT WE HAVE TO, TO DEVELOP AND TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN DOWN THERE, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE AREA THAT, UM, ARE THERE AND, AND LIKELY WILL REMAIN THERE.

UM, AND SO, UM, WHILE I DO SEE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL DENSITY, UM, IN ORDER TO KIND OF MAKE THIS AREA COME TO LIFE, UM, I SEE KIND OF A PUSH AND PULL AND SOME TRADE OFF THERE AND, UM, ALLOWING FOR THIS DENSITY TO HAPPEN AT, AT THE COST, I GUESS, OF, UM, ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES POTENTIALLY BEING, UH, DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA.

BUT OVERALL, UM, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PROJECT.

I THINK, UM, THAT IT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES AND THAT IT FITS, UM, THE VISION FOR THE AREA.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE I HEAR THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, I THINK THAT, UH, OVERALL THE VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED ARE, UM, RELATIVELY MINOR.

AND, UH, I THINK I'D BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, COMMISSIONER BONAC.

SO I ALSO, THAT THE PROJECT WOULD PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND THE SPIRIT OF THE VISION IN THE FUTURE .

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT.

I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE FOREST STORY, UM, BUT OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.

COMMISSIONER BEACH, I JUST WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I'M SAYING ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES FOR A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES GOOD NEIGHBORS IS GOOD COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION THAT RESULTS IN RESENTMENT, THAT RESENTMENT CONFESS FOR OVER YEARS AND JUST MAKE IT A BAD, BAD CIRCUMSTANCE ALL AROUND, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THE DEVELOPERS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, MADE THE OPPORTUNITY, TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE RESIDENTS

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THAT ARE LIVING AROUND THERE, AND EVERYBODY AIR THEIR PERSPECTIVES AND, AND KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR ONE ANOTHER.

AND, UH, JUST LIKE THE FOUR STORY THING, ON THE ONE HAND, IT TROUBLES ME, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, SO YOU MAY NOT, THERE'S A LOT OF THE STREET, YOU'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THAT FOUR STORY, I THINK.

UH, NO, THE RESIDENCE ARE FOUR.

IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE TOP HIGH POINT WAS THE GARAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT THE, THEN THAT'S IN THE CENTER RAPID POINT TOO, MY UNDERSTANDING.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, YOU'RE SEEING THE POLK STREET SIDE RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT'S THE FOUR STORY.

1, 2, 3, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I STAND CORRECTED.

YEAH, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE STOOD CORRECTED IN THE MEETINGS.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAY, I, I LACK THE PROJECT, BUT I LACK THE THOUGHT OF EVERYBODY HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND, AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE PROJECT.

WELL, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I DO THINK THAT EVERY DEVELOPER SHOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRY TO GET ALL THAT BEFORE THEY COME TO GET TO THIS POINT.

UH, THERE STILL IS ANOTHER MORE OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN NOW AND, UH, THE COUNCIL MEETING, UH, SHOULD THIS GET MOVED FORWARD, UH, FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

AND CERTAINLY IT'S STILL A CONCEPT, UH, THAT'S GONNA HAVE OTHER DETAILS.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.

CHAIRMAN, I JUST, I JUST CHECKED WITH THE APPLICANT.

THEY ARE, UM, WILLING TO, UH, MEET WITH, UH, THE RESIDENTS AND ALSO, UH, GET A RENDERING OF KAUFMAN BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, SHOULD THIS, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD? YEAH.

COMMISSIONER KELLER SECOND MOTION.

WELL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE NOT THE FINAL SAY.

SO HERE, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING BODY, UH, TO THE, UH, COUNCIL, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OUR GUIDANCE ON THIS.

UM, AND CERTAINLY WE CAN ALWAYS TABLE SOMETHING IF WE CHOOSE TO.

BUT, UM, IF WE CAN MOVE THINGS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SAY, MOVE 'EM THROUGH AND, UH, DEAL WITH ANY OTHER ISSUES AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.

SO, UH, I'D, I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UM, UH, ZONING FILE 24 DASH 31 AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED AT PASSES.

WAS IT SIX TO ONE? YES, SIX TO ONE.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, UH, IN OPPOSITION.

SO THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK.

THANKS FOR EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT.

UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO,

[3. Zoning File 24-34 Special Development Plan – Legacy Arapaho Multi-Family: Consider and act on a request for approval of a Special Development Plan for 10.39-acres located on the south side of E. Arapaho Road and west of N. Grove Road, currently zoned Collins/Arapaho TOD & Innovation PD Planned Development (Station Area Sub-District) to accommodate the development of a 437-unit multi-family development. Owner: Lucky Property Two, LLC. Staff: Amber Pollan.]

UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE.

THIS IS, UH, ZONING FILE, 24 DASH 34, UH, LEGACY ARAPAHOE MULTIFAMILY, UH, MS. POLLAN.

SUB AREAS WITHIN THE ZONE THAT, UM, AND THIS ONE IS THE STATION AREA THAT IS GEARED TOWARDS THE AREA ALONG GREENVILLE AND THE DART LINE, AND WITH THE VISION, UM, TO SUPPORT THE DART ARAPAHO CENTER STATION AND TO PROVIDE FOR HIGH DENSITY TRANSIT ORIENTED MIXED USE, UM, A GATEWAY AREA TO THE INNOVATION DISTRICT, AND FOR THERE TO BE INCREASED FLEXIBILITY TO MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AROUND THAT STATION.

GOOD EVENING.

SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS, UM, ZONING FILE, UH, 24 34.

IT'S FOR THE, UM, THE LEGACY ARAPAHO, A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AT TWO 50 EAST ARAPAHO ROAD.

UM, THE SITE IS 10 ACRES, AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST ARAPAHOE ROAD AND THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH GROVE ROAD.

SO THE CURRENT ZONING IS THE COLLINS ARAPAHO, TOD OR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ZONE AND INNOVATION DISTRICT.

IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO THE COLLINS ARAPAHO, UM, TO OD AN INNOVATION DISTRICT WA IS A, UM, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, UH, ZONING IN THE CITY.

IT WAS, UM, CAME THROUGH A PROCESS, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO OUR MAIN STREET ZONING.

UM, THERE WAS THE, UM, IT WAS AN ENHANCEMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE 2009 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UM, THERE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY, UM, EASTER ARAPAHOE COLLINS BASELINE MARKET ANALYSIS IN 2013, AND THEN, UM, A FURTHER STUDY OF THE COLLINS ARAPAHOE AREA IN 2018 THAT RECOMMENDED, UH, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONE DEVELOP, UM, PRO PROCESS.

AND SO, UM, THROUGH 2019, THAT TOOK PLACE, UM, A VISIONING PROCESS AS WELL AS DEVELOPING THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN DECEMBER OF 2019.

SO THE, THE VISION AND THE GOAL OF THAT PROCESS WAS TO, UM, LOOK AT THIS AREA AS AN INNOVATION QUARTER AND, UM, TO, FOR THE DISTRICT TO BE A PREMIER TECH HUB IN TEXAS.

SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN THIS, UM, THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA.

SO THE LOCATION IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE STATION SUBDISTRICT.

SO THIS CODE HAS, UM, SOME

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SO AGAIN, THE REGULATING PLAN FOR THE STATION SUBDISTRICT HAS, UH, A COUPLE BROAD, UM, ITEMS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UM, THE PLAN HIGHLIGHTS AREAS THAT ARE CONSIDERED A SPECIAL SITE.

SO IN THIS AREA, THEY HAVE, UM, THERE'S AN ABANDONED RAIL SPUR, AND IT DOES HAPPEN TO FOLLOW, UM, THROUGH THE BACK END OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND SO THAT'S AN AREA THAT, UM, IS SUPPOSED TO GET CONSIDERATION AS WHEN DEVELOPMENTS ARE PROPOSED ALONG THAT AREA.

UM, AND ITEM OF NOTE IN THIS CODED, THEY DO HIGHLIGHT THE, UM, HEIGHT GUIDELINES.

AND SO THERE, UM, THIS N SLASH M MEANS THERE'S NO MAXIMUMS. THERE'S NOT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT, UH, REQUIREMENT IN THIS, IN THIS, OR LIMITATION IN THIS ZONE.

THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE THAT WAS, UM, JUST ADOPTED LAST MONTH.

IT, UH, OR IN NOVEMBER, IT CALLS THIS AREA OUT AS THE TRANSIT VILLAGE PLACE TYPE.

SO THE GOAL WITH THAT IS TO, FOR THE, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS AREA, REDEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, TO HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT TO THE SIDEWALK, UM, BEING THE, UH, TWO UP TO FOUR STORE, UH, TWO STORY, UM, WITH MAJORITY BEING FOUR PLUS STORY.

AND, UM, WITH PROVISION FOR SPACE FOR RECREATION AND GATHERING AND PRIMARY USES BEING, UM, USES LIKE MIXED FAMILY BUILDINGS, MULTIFAMILY OFFICE, RETAIL RESTAURANT THAT SUPPORTING THOSE TRANSPORTATION USES.

SO THIS IS A SITE PHOTO OF THE AREA.

UM, SO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IS A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S, UM, OVER 150,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, IT'S CALLED THE RICHARDSON COMMONS.

IT, UM, HAS BEEN VACANT FOR THE PAST YEAR.

THIS IS THE SITE, UM, FROM GROVE ROAD LOOKING WEST, AND THEN FROM THE INTERIOR OF THIS SITE LOOKING EAST.

SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT WAS A U-SHAPED BUILDING.

THERE WAS, UM, AN AREA WITH, UH, TREES AND A GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THEN, UM, LOOKING TO THE WEST, THERE IS, UM, A SLIGHTLY ELEVATED AREA WHERE THAT ABANDONED, UM, TRAIN, UH, LINE WENT THROUGH.

SO THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS SITE INCLUDES FIVE BUILDINGS.

UM, THEY ARE, UH, PRIMARILY THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.

SO THE BUILDING ON THE FURTHEST NORTH END OF THE SITE IS ON ALONG ARAPAHO.

IT IS, UM, PROPOSED AT FOUR LEVELS, A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING.

IT HAS, UH, A WRAP STYLE AROUND A PARKING GARAGE, AND THEN AN INTERIOR, UM, POOL, COURTYARD, AMENITY, UM, SPACE.

UH, THERE'D BE ACCESS THROUGH, UM, A PASSAGE OF CARRIAGEWAY AND THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE.

AND THEN, UM, THIS U-SHAPED, UH, BUILDING NUMBER TWO, THERE WOULD BE A THREE LEVEL MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE.

THEY HAVE, UM, SOME TOWNHOUSE, UH, UNIT, UM, STYLE BUILDINGS ALONG GROVE ROAD.

AND THEN A THREE LEVEL, UH, BUILDING THAT, UM, IS ALONG WITH SPECIAL SITE AREA.

ONE OF THE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS AROUND A SPECIAL SITE IS, UH, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE, UM, PARKING DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SITE.

SO THEY'VE PUT A BUILDING ALONG THERE AS WELL AS, UM, SOME OTHER OPEN SITE AND, AND PARK SPACE, UM, TO SUPPLEMENT OR LEAD INTO THAT SPECIAL SITE, WHICH, UM, IS A POTENTIAL FUTURE TRAIL LOCATION.

SO AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES FOR, UH, THIS AREA, THERE'S AN A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT THEY'RE, UM, IN COMPLIANCE.

SO JUST FOR INFORMATION, THE DENSITY, UM, WITH THIS, UH, PROPERTY WITH 443 UNITS, IT'S A DENSITY OF 42.5 UNITS PER ACRE, UH, WHICH IS, UH, MEETING AND ABOVE THE, THE 40 UNIT PER ACRE, UM, MINIMUM DENSITY, THEY ARE PROPOSING SIX A HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO PARKING SPACES, THE MAJORITY OF WHICH WOULD BE IN THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING AREAS, UH, ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, UH, WITH A,

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AN AVERAGE OF 1.4 SPACES PER UNIT.

SO THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, UM, A PLAN PROPOSAL WHERE THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, PROPOSING A CONCEPT PLAN AND MAKING SOME, UM, UH, REQUESTS FOR SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING CONSIDERATION FOR IS THE BLOCK FACE.

UM, SO AS YOU SAW FROM THE PREVIOUS, UM, CASE, ALSO THAT, UH, THE INTENT OF THE CODE, A BLOCK FACE, UM, UH, 500 FEET OR GREATER IN LENGTH TO BREAK UP THAT, UH, BUILDING FACE ALONG A BLOCK FACE BY PROVIDING FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

UM, THE GOAL OF THAT TO BE SO THAT PEOPLE COULD BE ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH AND BETWEEN BUILDINGS TO GET BETWEEN ONE STREET TO MOVE THROUGH TO, UM, SPACES BEHIND OR STREET BEHIND, UH, IN THIS CASE, THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE ORIENTATION OF THIS, UM, LARGER BLOCK STRUCTURE, THE SITE IS JUST ADJACENT TO OTHER LARGER PRIVATE, UM, PROPERTY.

SO PROVIDING ACCESS THROUGH THE SITE WOULD JUST, UM, PUT YOU INTO THE SITE OF AN EXISTING MANUFACTURING BUILDING.

UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST MOVE YOU THROUGH THE SITE, UM, HERE TO AN INTERIOR, JUST INTERIOR SPACE.

UM, SO WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING IS TO ELIMINATE A NORTH-SOUTH PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, UM, BUT, UH, IN LIEU OF A MORE CENTRAL EAST WEST CONNECTION TO, UM, HAVE A, UH, SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD CONNECT THE GROVE SIDEWALK AND PEDESTRIAN AREA TO THE SPECIAL SITE OR THAT FUTURE TRAIL.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM THAT THEY'RE, UM, REQUESTING CONSIDERATION FOR IS THE STREET SCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE STREET SCAPE ALONG ARAPAHOE AS WELL AS GROVE ROAD HAVE, UM, SOME GUIDELINES FOR, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE SIDEWALK AS WELL AS LOCATION FOR A PARK STRIP.

UM, THE, THIS AREA WAS DEVELOPED IN 1985 AND, UM, HAS A MORE, UH, ROBUST LANDSCAPE AREA THAN IS REQUIRED BY THE CURRENT STREET SCAPE STANDARDS.

SO, UM, LIKE IN THE CASE OF GROVE ROAD, THE, THE CODE PROPOSES HAVING THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO GROVE ROAD AND THEN HAVING, UM, A PARK STRIP, UM, AND STREET TREES.

UH, THEY HAVE EXISTING, AT THIS LOCATION, THEY HAVE A PARK STRIP, UM, A SIDEWALK, A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK, AND THEN A PARK SHIP AREA WITH, UH, WITH A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MATURE TREES.

SO THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR CONSIDERATION OF BEING ABLE TO USE THE EXISTING, UM, TREESCAPE DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS SO THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN AS MANY OF THE EXISTING TREES AS THEY, AS THEY CAN MOVING FORWARD.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE, A BUILDING LENGTH, UM, SEPARATION GUIDELINE THAT'S IN, UM, THE BUILDING, UH, ARTICULATION STANDARDS OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR THE GROUND FLOOR OF BUILDINGS, UM, TO NOT EXCEED 250 FEET IN LENGTH WITHOUT A 15 FOOT SEPARATION.

AGAIN, TO PROVIDE FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND ACTIVATION ON A BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IN AND OUTTA SPACES.

UM, THEY DO HAVE A DESIRE TO PROVIDE SECURITY ON THE SITE AND TO UTILIZE THE, UM, THE FRONTAGE IS ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, GOALS OF THIS CODE IS TO HAVE BUILDINGS UP ALONG THE FRONTAGE.

UM, SO IN LIEU OF PROVIDING PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD JUST GO INTO A, A PRIVATE, UM, OPEN SPACE HERE, THEY ARE, UH, REQUESTING THAT THEY, THEY'RE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING BE, UM, WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING IN LIEU OF THE, A BREAK IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING ACTIVATION THROUGH, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO UNITS.

SO, UM, YOU SEE THERE'S SOME, UH, LITTLE WALKWAYS THAT WOULD ACCESS GROUND LEVEL UNITS, UM, AS WELL AS THIS IS THEIR LEASING CENTER HERE.

AND, UM, SO THEY'D HAVE SOME, UH, PEDESTRIAN AMENITY ALONG THAT, THAT FRONTAGE THERE.

UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS, UM, THAT I'VE NOTED IS THERE, UH, JUST SOME CONSIDERATION ON THEIR BUILDING MATERIAL STANDARDS.

UM, AND AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, THOSE, UM, HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL, UH, STATE REGULATIONS OF LIMITED ENFORCEMENT OF THAT THROUGH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS AT THIS POINT.

BUT THIS IS FOR YOUR INFORMATION THAT THEY'LL BE, UM, THAT THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THEIR, UM, BUILDING REQUIREMENTS OR THEIR BILLING MATERIALS.

SO WITH, UH, THIS REQUEST.

SO THOSE ARE THE, THE FOUR ITEMS THAT THEY'VE INCLUDED

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AS PART OF THEIR, UM, SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOESN'T REQUIRE ELEVATIONS, IT'S A, IT REQUIRES A CONCEPT PLAN.

AND SO, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE AT THIS PLAN, SO WE'RE TYING IT TO THE, UM, THEIR CONCEPT SITE PLAN THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED.

AND, UM, WE DID HAVE ONE ITEM OF, UH, CORRESPONDENCE THAT CAME AND THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET, UM, THAT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, CASE THAT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, UM, IMPACTS TO, UM, SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.

UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS, UM, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, THAT THE, ABOUT 70% OF THE UNITS WILL BE, UM, ONE BEDROOM UNITS.

AND SO IT'S, UM, NOT ANTICIPATED THIS WILL HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS FAR AS, UH, AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL, UM, LOAD BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE, UH, PROVIDING FOR.

AND THESE ITEMS ARE, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES GET, UM, NOTIFICATION OF OUR, OUR APPLYING COMMISSION ITEMS. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS CASE.

UH, CAN YOU JUST GO OVER THE, IS IS THE INTENT? I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SPECIAL, UM, TO THE COLLINS ARAPAHOE PD, UH, NUMBER THREE, UH, THE UNCONNECTED PHYSICAL SEPARATION, AT LEAST 15 FEET REQUIREMENT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN TO ME? YEAH, SO THE, THE CODE, UM, HAS A, A GUIDELINE THAT REQUIRES THE GROUND FLOOR OF BUILDINGS.

UH, SHE EXCEED 200 FEET IN LENGTH WITHOUT A 15 FOOT SEPARATION.

SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY REQUIRING LIKE A SEPARATION FROM GROUND LEVEL, A FULL SEPARATION OF BUILDINGS, BUT JUST AN OPENING FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH A BUILDING.

UM, OH, THAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS? YEAH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

OH, OKAY.

AND DOES THE, IS THE APPLICANT PROPOSING, DID, I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT THE, THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS ON ARAPAHOE ROAD WILL HAVE ACCESS? UM, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR UNITS ACCESSED FROM THE STREET, YES.

SIDEWALKS, BUT ONLY THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE OTHER THAN I GUESS, UH, WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.

AND THAT, THAT'S A, A REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE ALSO.

SO IT, IT IS PROPOSED ALONG GROVE AND AS WELL AS WHAT THE TOWNHOUSE UNITS TOO, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY KIND OF GROUND LEVEL UNIT HAS ACCESS TO THE, UM, TO THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

UH, CONCERNING THE, UH, THE BUILDING OVER NEAR THE TRAIL ACCESS MM-HMM .

OR WHAT WILL BE A TRAIL ACCESS, UH, IS, IS THE , IS THE FRONT DOOR FACING THE TRAIL OR FACING INTO THE PARKING LOT THERE FOR THE GROUND FLOOR? THE, AS FAR AS THE CONCEPT THAT THEY, THE APPLICANT COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE VEHICULAR ACCESS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY COMING FROM THE PARKING, PARKING SIDE.

UM, BUT THE, THE FACE OF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR LIKE, IN A APPROPRIATE FACE FOR THE BUILDING ON THAT SIDE, UM, TO BE IN A APPROACHABLE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

COMMISSIONER BEACH.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, AROUND THIS.

I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL WHICH WHERE INGRESS AND EGRESS IS.

IS EVERYBODY GOING OUT ON THE GROVE OR, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU COULD TURN REALLY L LEFT ONTO ARAPAHOE FROM HERE.

SO DO THEY HAVE TO GO OUT ON GROVE AND GO UP GROVE TO THE CORNER OF ARAPAHOE AND GROVE TO MAKE A LEFT? OR HOW DOES IT WORK THERE? THIS IS A TWO PART QUESTION.

I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU THE OTHER PART IN JUST A SECOND.

SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO ACCESSES PROPOSED.

SO THERE IS AN ACCESS THAT'S HERE OFF OF ARAPAHOE, AND THIS DOES LINE UP WITH A CUT IN THE MEDIAN.

SO IT IS, UM, POSSIBLE TO DO A LEFT HAND TURN FROM THIS LOCATION, SO ABLE TO AT LEAST THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE.

A, A MAIN ENTRY, IT'S, UM, MORE LIKE THIS IS ACTUALLY WOULD FUNCTION AS THE MAIN ENTRY, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, COMES OUT INTO THE PARKING AREA AND COMES INTO THIS GROVE LOCATION.

UHHUH , YEAH.

AND THEN, BUT THIS WOULD, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LISTED HERE AS

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SO THIS IS WHERE THE GROVE THAT HAS A LOWER, UM, VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, LIKE A SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUT OF.

UM, YEAH, I WOULDN'T DEBATE WHETHER GROVE HAS HIGHER OR LOWER THAN, THAN ARAPAHOE.

OF COURSE IT HAS LOWER, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS.

I DROVE UP A, UH, GROVE TO GET HERE TONIGHT, AND AT LEAST AT CERTAIN TIMES A DAY, TRAFFIC WILL BE BACKED UP ON GROVE SEVEN OR EIGHT BLOCKS.

AND NOW, UH, IF I RECALL PROPERLY, WE PASSED AND THE CITY PASSED PUTTING, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT'S ON THE CORNER OF GROVE AND BELT LINE.

AND SO IT CONCERNS ME JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE WE THINK CAN FLOAT A BOAT DOWN GROVE AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

SO I I HAS ANYBODY DONE A TRAFFIC COUNT TO SEE WHAT REALLY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE SAY A LOT OF TIMES, WELL, THE INCREMENTAL IMPACT IS, IS NOT SIGNIFICANT, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF INCREMENTAL IMPACT GOING ON.

THIS, UM, AS FAR AS RIGHT, THE ACTUAL, THE IMPACT, UM, THAT WAS PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THIS WAS A 156,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, UM, THERE, THERE WASN'T A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT BETWEEN THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING PRODUCT AND BUSINESS BUILDING THERE AND THE, UM, THE CHANGEOVER OF USE.

BUT YEAH, I, AS FAR AS KIND OF GENERAL FURTHER STUDY, IT MIGHT WARRANT BROADER REVIEW, UM, AS FAR AS GROVE ROAD, UH, BUT THIS SPECIFIC SITE ITSELF DIDN'T, DIDN'T WARRANT SPECIFIC.

THIS ONE BY ITSELF, I, I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAD TRAFFIC THERE FOR 40 YEARS OR WHATNOT, NEARLY 40 YEARS.

BUT A AS WE CONTINUE TO PUT THESE THINGS IN DIFFERENT PLACES, THE INCREMENTAL IMPACT IS PAINFUL.

ISN'T THAT, UM, OFFICE BUILDING VACANT NOW? YEP.

LAST YEAR.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

SO I'M SURE IT'S AN OFFSET ON THE TRAFFIC.

I AGREE.

IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT.

SO, UM, WE DO TRAFFIC COUNTS QUITE FREQUENTLY ON THIS SECTION OF GROVE.

THEY'RE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THEM.

SO ON THE SECTION OF GROVE FROM, UM, APOLLO TO, UH, ARAPAHOE, UH, THE 2023 COUNT, UH, WAS, UH, 5,800 VEHICLES, UH, PER DAY.

UM, THAT IS, UM, DOWN FROM THE PEAK IN 2017 OF OVER ALMO, UM, ABOUT 7,500 VEHICLES PER DAY.

UH, THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE APOLLO AND THAT NEXT, THEIR UTILITY WORK GOING ON.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S A MESS.

I MEAN, IN, IN 2022 IT WAS EVEN LOWER, UM, UH, AT 5.3 2021 WAS 5.7 WAS GOING RIGHT, BUT 2019 7.1.

UM, SO IT ALL THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST FROM ARAPAHOE TO APOLLO.

THAT IS BETWEEN APOLLO AND SECTION IS THIS, UM, WHERE IS, OKAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW, SIR.

I'M JUST MAKING A POINT.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT CUTTING.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF? OKAY, THANK YOU.

YEAH, AND THE APPLICANT, UM, THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES HERE THAT CAN REPRESENT WE'D ASK THEM TO COME FORWARD NOW.

I'M BRIAN MCNALLY AT 29 99 OLYMPUS BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 0 1 9.

I'M VP OF DEVELOPMENT WITH LEGACY PARTNERS.

UH, I GUESS FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WANNA THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR HELP GETTING US TO THIS POINT.

UH, WE'RE ALSO EXTREMELY EXCITED TO DELIVER ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

UH, BUT I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE TONIGHT.

UM, WELL, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMPANY AND,

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UM, WHAT OTHER PROJECTS YOU'VE DONE HERE.

SURE, SURE.

AND, AND IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF FUNNY.

PREVIOUS GROUP CHAIRMAN CROW COMPANY, UH, A SPUN OFF FROM CHAIRMAN CROW COMPANY WAS LINCOLN PROPERTY COMPANY, AND THAT'S WHERE LEGACY PARTNERS COMES INTO THE PICTURE.

THEY WERE SPIN OFF OF LINCOLN PROPERTY COMPANY, UH, IN THE WEST COAST DIVISION.

SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 55 PLUS YEARS, UH, IN THE PACIFIC STATES, DOWN THROUGH THE SOUTHWEST AND OVER TO THE SOUTHEAST MARKETS.

UM, YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A MANAGEMENT PORTFOLIO OF, UH, OVER 50 MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITIES WITH MORE THAN 12,000 APARTMENT HOMES AND A GROSS VALUE IN EXCESS OF $3 BILLION.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECTS IN RICHARDSON? WE DO, WE DO, UM, FROM OUR LOCAL TEAM, UH, COMBINATION OF EXPERIENCE, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS.

CURRENTLY WE ARE, WE JUST DELIVERED OVATION AT GALLATIN PARK.

THAT'S A 361 UNIT, UH, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, CATTYCORNER FROM THE EISMAN CENTER.

THAT'S THE BRAND NEW ONE, RIGHT? THAT'S BRAND NEW? THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND THE WATER FOUNTAINS THERE? YES.

YEP.

ACROSS FROM THE HOTEL.

UM, SO, SO I HAD, YOU KNOW, A QUESTION JUST, UM, DID, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, UM, THE, THE PARKING GARAGE THAT MORE OR LESS SATISFIES THE FRONT FOUR STORY BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE, THE, THE U SHAPE, THE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE, UH, THREE STORY, UH, THAT'S MORE OR LESS DEPENDENT ON THE SURFACE PARKING, IS THAT RIGHT? MORE OR LESS? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WE'VE GOT TUCK UNDER GARAGES WITHIN THAT, CALL IT THE U U-SHAPED OR C SHAPED BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE.

THE TOWN HOME UNITS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE ATTACHED GARAGES, AND THEN THE THREE STORY BUILDING FACING THE SPECIAL SITE, WE'LL ALSO HAVE TUCK UNDER GARAGES AS WELL.

BUT IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED, JUST LOOKED LIKE WITH THE, THE NUMBER OF SPACES YOU'VE GOT IN THE GARAGE, UM, AND THE, UM, AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU'VE GOT IN THE, UH, IN THE FOUR STORY THAT THERE WAS REALLY WASN'T MUCH EXCESS PARKING FOR LIKE ANY OTHER, ANYBODY ELSE LIKE IN THAT, LIKE FROM THAT THREE STORY? AM I OR, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ACCOUNTS HERE.

YEAH, I MEAN, WELL, WE DEFINITELY CONSIDER PARKING DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COVERING PARKING SPACES FOR EACH BUILDING.

I, I KNOW ON THIS PROJECT WE'RE AT 1.42 SPACES PER UNIT, WHICH IS WELL ABOVE WHAT THE REQUIREMENT, UM, ASKS FOR.

AND THE OTHER METRIC THAT WE USE TOO IS, IS SPACES PER BEDROOM AND WITH OUR UNIT MIX, OUR SPACES PER BEDROOMS AT 1.1, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE IS A, A HEALTHY RATIO FOR PARKING RESIDENTS AS WELL AS VISITOR PARKING.

UH, YEAH.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, UH, YOU'VE GOT 300 PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE AND YOU'VE GOT 234 UNITS IN THE FOUR STORY.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 1.3 SPACES IN THE GARAGE PER UNIT FOR THAT, FOR THAT BUILDING.

THAT IS CORRECT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF COMING TO, IF THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHAT YOU'RE SOLVING TO THE GARAGE IS PRETTY MUCH FULL WITH THAT BUILDING.

IT WILL, I MEAN, THAT'S THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE THE PARKING AND THE STRUCTURED PARKING FOR THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THAT WRAP BUILDING.

UM, SO THEN THAT LEAVES, SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE THREE STORY IN THE MIDDLE.

THAT'S EVERYBODY THERE IS GONNA BE SURFACE PARKED? THAT IS CORRECT.

I GET THE TOWN HOMES, THEY'VE GOT GARAGES AND THE SPECIAL SITE, THEY'VE GOT SOME GARAGES, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY THERE.

THAT, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT WE DO HAVE THE SAME GARAGE SCENARIO AND THAT CENTER C SHAPE BUILDING ON THE EAST OR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF IT WHERE IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT DARKER.

YOU DO HAVE SOME AVAILABLE, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE, BUT THAT DOES NOT JUST LIKE THE SPECIAL SITE BUILDING, BUT YOU LEASE THOSE OUT AT A, FOR AN EXTRA CHARGE, RIGHT? WE DO, WE DO THE LEASE OUT.

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I MEAN, YOU ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER.

AND ARE THOSE JUST, UH, SINGLE VEHICLE GARAGES? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IT'S, UH, THE TOWN HOMES ENVISIONED ON GROVE, THOSE ARE ONE STORY OR TWO STORY OR THOSE, THOSE WILL BE TWO STORY.

UM, AT LEAST THERE'S POTENTIAL TO MAYBE HAVE THREE, BUT, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY FROM WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN DESIGN, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE TWO STORY TOWN HOMES.

WAS THAT DEFINED ANYWHERE? UM, ELSE IT'S, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IT WASN'T ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.

I MEAN, I, I KNOW RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THE SITE PLAN IS TWO STORIES TO WHERE IT'S, YOU'VE GOT THE PRIVATE TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE KIND OF PARKING LOT SIDE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME LIVING SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH THE FRONT DOOR THAT OPENS OUT TO GROVE ROAD.

THEN THE SECOND LEVEL YOU'VE GOT YOUR BEDROOM SPACES.

SO IN, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET, UM, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GETTING INTO, ANYTHING ON GROVE OR ARAPAHOE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT ACCESS.

THE UNITS WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE STREET.

IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING TOO? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING AND THAT'S OUR, OUR INTENT HERE.

UM, AND SO MAYBE JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF THE, THE CARRIAGEWAY AND THE OPEN SPACE BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY FAMILY ONE AND TWO.

YOU SEE THAT AS ALL INTERTWINED TOGETHER AND SHARED? YEAH.

UH, WELL, I MEAN, THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE SITE IS HOW LARGE IT IS.

AND WITHOUT OVERBURDENING IT AND OVER HAVING TOO MUCH DENSITY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES THE ABILITY TO ADD THESE AMENITY AND OUTDOOR SPACES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM, UM, RESIDENT DEMAND IS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE THE FITNESS CENTER IN THE POOL ANYMORE? THEY DO WANT OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACES.

AND WITH THIS, I'LL SAY LARGE OF A SITE, IT PROVIDES US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN THOSE SPACES.

SO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN ADDING MORE PARKING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THE OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE THAT ISN'T JUST LIMITED TO THE COURTYARD, BUT ALSO HAVE THIS KIND OF, UM, PASS THROUGH SPACE AND BREEZEWAY THAT ALSO ADDS CONNECTIVITY FROM THE POOL COURTYARD OUT TO KIND OF IN BETWEEN THE SPACE OF BUILDING ONE AND TWO AND INTO THE OTHER COURTYARD.

SO REALLY IT'S, I MEAN, BY DESIGN, IT, IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE.

IS THERE ANY REC OR DO YOU KNOW YET WHETHER OR NOT, UM, AGAIN, THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS, SAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF BUILDING ONE, SOUTH SIDE OF BUILDING ONE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF BUILDING TWO, SO FORTH, ARE THOSE ALSO ENVISIONED AS HAVING ACCESS BEING ACCESSIBLE AT, AT THE GROUND LEVEL FROM, FROM THE OPEN SPACE OR, OR NOT? IS THAT ALL INTERIOR SERVED? WELL, YEAH, AT, AT, AT A MINIMUM THEY WILL, OUR AIM WILL BE TO HAVE A PATIO YARD, SO WHERE IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE FRONT DOOR, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GET YOUR PATIO SPACE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE, SO IT'S GREAT FOR PETS.

AND JUST KIND OF YOUR OWN PRIVATE LITTLE YARD SPACE.

UM, AND TYPICALLY THOSE HAVE, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE REASONS, UH, A GATE ON THEM, BUT BY DESIGN IT WON'T BE LIKE THE UNITS FACING ARAPAHOE AND GROVE WHERE IT'S INTENTIONALLY THE FRONT DOOR MORE OF A PATIO SPACE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UHHUH .

MORE OF A BACK DOOR? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH.

THEN THAT'S WHEN WE REALIZED WE NEEDED TO, TO DO THIS PROCESS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY IT'LL LEAD TO A SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS, SO AT THAT TIME, AT A MINIMUM, WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, ELEVATIONS AND RENDERINGS AND A MORE ROBUST, UH, DESIGN PACKAGE MM-HMM .

YEAH, WITH A PATIO.

UM, SO YOU JUST HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO THE, UH, RENDERING LEVEL OF WHAT THESE ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE YET? NO, SIR.

UM, VERY BEGINNING PROCESS HERE, OR BEGINNING STAGES OF DESIGN AND, AND, UM, KIND OF AS WE STARTED TO SITE PLAN IT OUT,

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AND, UM, OKAY.

SO I GET, UH, AND THE THINKING ON THE GARAGE PLACEMENT WAS AGAIN, JUST FOR EASE OF ACCESS TO GROVE AND, UM, THAT IS CORRECT, RIGHT IN AND OUT.

UM, AND I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LEASING AMENITY AREA UP ON ARAPAHOE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER, KINDA LIKE, YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO SHOW IT OFF, LIKE EASY TO PULL IN, LIKE THAT'S YOUR ARRIVAL POINT, UH, FOR VISITORS AND DEFINITELY THE ARRIVAL POINT FOR PROSPECTIVE RESIDENTS TO, TO BE ABLE TO EASILY FIND THE, THE LEASING OFFICE.

UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S STILL EARLY.

I MEAN, THE MOST LOGICAL THING AT THIS POINT IS KIND OF SPLITTING UP SOME OF THAT AMENITY SPACE SO IT CAN GO, WE CAN PUT SOME OF THAT INDOOR AMENITY SPACE INTO THAT C SHAPE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED.

UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT I, I CAN'T SAY TODAY WHAT, WHAT AMENITY GOES IN THAT BUILDING OR NOT, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY THAT THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AS OPPOSED TO NECESSARILY JUST STACKING IT ALL UP ON THE FRONT ARRIVAL CORNER.

CHAIRMAN MARSH, NO QUESTION.

YEAH, CERTAINLY.

GO AHEAD.

JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SCRAPING A BUILDING AND A SITE AND HOW COMMON THAT IS? OR NOT COMMON? THAT IS JUST, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO MY LIMITED EXPERIENCES.

AND IT'S NOT VERY COMMON.

UM, THERE, THERE'S USUALLY, UH, FOR SOME REASON FOR LIKE, REDEVELOPMENT IS HARD TO COME BY UNLESS IT IS VACANT.

I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHAT MAKES THIS OPPORTUNITY UNIQUE, IS IT, IT IS VACANT, WHEREAS IF THERE WERE OFFICE LEASE IN PLACE GOT IT.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF, IF THE LEASE ISN'T EXPIRING AND THEY'RE NOT RENEWING, THAT BECOMES A WHOLE SEPARATE NEGOTIATION.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

BUT, UM, IT, IT'S, IS IT UNIQUE? UM, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

DEPENDS ON HOW OLD THE CITY IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KNOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY PROBABLY FROM, YOU KNOW, RICHARDSON'S AGE, THEY'LL START TO BE MORE REDEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE PDS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN OR THIS INNOVATION DISTRICT, UM, THAT THAT'LL BE MORE COMMONPLACE.

THAT'S ALL I NEEDED.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS.

COMMISSIONER POINTER, I I CAN ALSO ADDRESS THAT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THAT RIGHT NOW ON ANOTHER PROJECT AT ONE 11 WEST SPRING VALLEY.

UH, WE TOOK DOWN, I BELIEVE IT WAS A THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING.

UH, AND THEY'RE ABOUT TO LAUNCH ON CONSTRUCTION.

UH, SAME THING.

IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF OUR, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS TO TAKE A LOT OF OLDER, KIND OF LESS DESIRABLE CLASS BEC, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS.

UM, THAT WAS THE BUILDING WITH THE ATRIUM IN IT, MCJUNKIN? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

CONSTRUCTION, UM, GAL MAC.

AND, AND, AND LOOK AT IF THERE'S A, A BETTER USE FOR THAT PROPERTY, UM, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ADDS, ADDS SOME DENSITY, ADDS SOME RESIDENTIAL THAT ADDS A, A MIX OF USES TO MAKE OTHER OFFICE BUILDINGS MORE VALUABLE AND JUST TAKES OFFICE SPACE OFF THE MARKET, WHICH BY DEFINITION ALSO MAKES THE EXISTING OFFICE SPACES MORE VALUABLE.

INTERESTED IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WILL SERVE AS INTENT TODAY IN THE YEAR 2050.

IS THERE LONGEVITY HERE? UH, YES, THERE IS.

SO, AND PRIOR GROUP TOUCHED ON THAT, BUT YES, EVERYTHING IS SEEN FROM AN INSTITUTIONAL LENS, SO THERE'S NO CUTTING CORNERS AND THE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT TO LAST.

UM, AND, AND THAT THAT REALLY IS WHAT DRIVES, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE ENHANCED STANDARDS THAT, THAT GET IMPLEMENTED INTO THESE PROJECTS.

SO IT IS DEFINITELY INTENDED AND BUILT TO LAST NOT 200 YEARS, BUT IT IS, IT'S GONNA BE THERE IN 2050.

PERFECT.

UM, THEY'LL SEE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO THE AREA TO REALLY HELP US KIND OF MARKET AND HOPEFULLY GET, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ARAPAHO CENTER STATION, UH, OFF THE GROUND.

CAN I SPEAK TO THAT POINT AS WELL? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT IS INTRIGUING, UM, TO STAFF ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS WE ARE ABOUT TO LAUNCH ON, UM, ASKING FOR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR THE ARAPAHOS INTER STATION.

UH, AND SO WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A GOOD INSTITUTIONAL PARTNER KIND OF ALREADY COMING INTO THE AREA, UH, WILL LEND SOME CREDIBILITY TO THOSE EFFORTS.

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DO DO YOU ENVISION THE TOWN HOMES ON GROVE TO BE FOR SALE OR FOR LEASE? NO, THOSE WILL BE FOR, FOR LEASE.

AND, UM, JUST MAYBE YOU JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHY YOU ADDED THE TOWN HOMES ON THE GROVE, WHY YOU'VE ADDED ON THE SPECIAL SITE AND INSTEAD OF JUST DOING THE TWO APARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.

SURE, SURE.

AND IT, IT, IT, I MEAN, IT OFFERS DIFFERENTIATION WITHIN THE PROPERTY.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY MAY JUST BE IN THE MARKET AND LOOKING FOR A STUDIO APARTMENT, BUT YOU MAY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, A YOUNG COUPLE JUST MARRIED AND NOT QUITE READY OR FIGURED OUT WHERE YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BUY HOME.

BUT THIS OFFERS YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN A HOME, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE TYPE RESIDENCE WITH NO RESIDENCE ABOVE YOU AND A, YOU KNOW, YARD AND SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND TWO CAR GARAGE.

UM, SO REALLY IT, IT'S, THE DIFFERENTIATING FACTOR OF IT ALLOWS US TO OFFER DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES WITHIN THE SAME PROPERTY.

AND, UH, AND WHAT ELSE WAS IT ABOUT THE SITE THAT YOU LIKED AND WHY YOU WANNA DO THE PROJECT, THIS LOCATION, THIS AREA, AND WHAT IT'S KIND OF DRIVING THAT DECISION? YEAH, SO, UM, KIND OF FROM A HIGH LEVEL, IT IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE INNOVATION DISTRICT PLANS TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THIS AS BEING A CATALYST PROJECT, UM, BRINGING IN ESSENTIALLY A NEW TYPE OF USE WITH A RESIDENTIAL USE WITHIN THE SUBSTATION, UH, DISTRICT.

UM, AND THEN JUST FROM A DEMAND STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE GREAT DEMOGRAPHICS AND EMPLOYMENT NODE WITHIN RICHARDSON AS WELL AS EMPLOYMENT NODES THAT ARE CONVENIENTLY NEARBY.

UM, BUT THEN YOU ALSO OFF OFFER THE ELEMENTS OR THE SITE OFFERS ELEMENTS OF CONVENIENT ACCESS TO RAIL.

WITH THE DART STATION, YOU'VE GOT THE TRAIL WITH CENTRAL TRAIL, WHICH IS A GREAT PUBLIC AMENITY.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM ANOTHER ACCESSIBILITY STANDPOINT, IT'S JUST OFF CENTRAL IN OUR MINDS.

NOT TOO CLOSE TO CENTRAL, BUT JUST CLOSE ENOUGH TO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO COMMUTE.

UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TAILWINDS FOR THE SITE AND THERE'S A LOT OF ATTRIBUTES THAT ARE THERE TODAY THAT REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TAPPED INTO YET.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

AND WHAT, WHAT'S THIS, UH, HAVE YOU STARTED, ARE, ARE YOU OPEN YET AT GALLATIN? WE ARE OPEN, WE ARE 85% LEASED.

AND, UM, AND HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET TO THAT POINT? WE, IT'S BEEN ABOUT 10 MONTHS SINCE WE OPENED THE DOORS, SO I MEAN, IT, IT'S DONE EXCEEDINGLY WELL AND WE, WE ARE SUPER HAPPY WITH IT AND ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE BACK HERE TONIGHT.

AND WHAT, WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL OCCUPANCY RATE IS LIKE IN THE GALLATIN PARK AREA FOR ALL THE PROJECTS? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW OFF HAND, BUT I, I DO KNOW THEY ARE, UM, WELL OCCUPIED.

I MEAN, 90%.

SO I MEAN, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WHEN I SAY 10 MONTHS, GETTING TO 85% IN THE CURRENT MARKET ENVIRONMENT IS, IS OUTSTANDING.

MOST PLACES CAN'T SAY THAT, UM, THAT TO WHERE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AN OVERSUPPLY OF APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

AND, AND SO THAT ONE'S DONE EXCEEDINGLY WELL, UH, FROM AN OPERATION STANDPOINT AND LEASING.

UM, SO 85% WITHIN 10 MONTHS IS, IS GREAT.

IT'S 361 UNIT PROPERTY.

SO IT'S A LOT OF HOMES THAT GOT LEASED.

MR. SU YES.

THIS, THIS QUESTION MAY BE MORE FOR MR. GOFF.

UM, RIGHT NOW THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THIS LOCATION TO THE, UH, BUS AND TRAIN STATION IS, UH, MAY JUST BE POOR OBSERVATION ON MY PART, BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE REAL DIRECT.

ARE THERE GONNA BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE OR SOME OTHER ACCESS PERHAPS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CEMETERY THAT WOULD GO THROUGH? CAN YOU WALK UP GROVE AND THERE'S AN ACCESS POINT JUST PAST THAT CEMETERY WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A LEFT AND WALK OVER TO

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THE RIGHT.

I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD HAVE TO, TO CROSS AT GROVE AND THEN WALK DOWN, UH, WOODALL OR THEN WALK DOWN ARAPAHOE AND GO UP, UH, A GREENVILLE.

UM, THE, THE INITIAL PHASE OF OUR, UH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR DEVELOPERS IS, IS REALLY JUST THE DART LOT ITSELF.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE NORTH SIDE OF WOODALL, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HOPING THAT THAT LONG TERM, UM, WHATEVER HAPPENS ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WOODALL WOULD KIND OF SPREAD TO THE PROPERTY IN BETWEEN WOODALL AND ARAPAHOE.

UM, AND THAT GIVEN, GIVEN THE LINK THAT PROPERTY, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE A STREET CONNECTION OR AT LEAST A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THROUGH, THROUGH THERE TO IMPROVE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

THANK YOU PURDY.

UM, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATIONS FOR, UH, ASSISTED LIVING OR ELDERLY OR SPECIAL NEEDS RESIDENTS AT THIS, UH, PROPERTY? UH, NO, THERE HAVE NOT.

AND THAT'S PURELY A FUNCTION OF, WE, WE DON'T, UH, WE'RE NOT IN THOSE, THE BUSINESS OF ANY OF THOSE.

ANY OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

UM, WELL, WE'LL ASK THE PUBLIC, UH, TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, DO WE HAVE, UM, THIS A PUBLIC HEARING? ANY CARDS, ANY COMMENTS? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? NO.

ANY OTHER, I, I'M SORRY IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE ANY CLOSING REMARKS, YOU HAD A CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO REBUT.

SO ANY, ANYTHING YOU WOULD JUST BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, NOT, UH, YEAH.

UM, NOTHING REALLY MUCH TO ADD.

UH, JUST APPRECIATE THE STAFF SUPPORT TO GET US TO THIS POINT.

AND THEN, UH, EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO DO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, SO LOOKING FORWARD TO PROGRESSING THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE.

COMMISSIONER PURDY SECONDED.

ALRIGHT, MR. BEACH, I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, I SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, WELL, I, I, I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN, I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE, UM, COLLINS ARAPAHOE, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED, UH, NOT TRANSIT ORIENTED, UM, THE INNOVATION DISTRICT WHEN WE CREATED THE IQ.

AND SO FOR SEVERAL YEARS I'VE LED THE, THE TASK FORCE FORMED BY THE CHAMBER TO ANALYZE THIS 1200 ACRES AND WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH IT.

AND WE WENT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY YOU CREATED THE ZONING FOR, UH, WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY AND, UH, WHERE WE CREATED THE DIFFERENT AREAS WITH THE STATION DISTRICT AND THE DUCK CREEK AREA AND, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT AND EVERYTHING.

UM, AS WELL AS, UH, WHEN I, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY WORKED FOR DIGITAL REALTY DEVELOPED JUST NORTH OF HERE, THE, UH, UH, THE BIG DATA CENTER CAMPUS.

SO I'VE GOT A LOT OF FAMILIARITY.

UH, AND UH, ONE OF THE PROJECTS I ALSO WORKED ON WAS, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE, UM, THE BUILDING ON THE SPECIAL SITE, THE RAIL SPUR.

SO I, I KNOW THAT RAIL SPUR QUITE WELL.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, UM, THIS IS EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STATION AREA, WAS TO SEE THIS TRANSITION AWAY FROM UNDERUTILIZED OFFICE, FLEX BUILDINGS, INDUSTRIAL TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER USES.

UM, SO CERTAINLY, UM, I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE CATALYST LIKE WE HEARD, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF KIND OF KICK STARTING THAT STATION AREA.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF REALLY NICE TO SEE THIS KIND OF HAPPENING MORE ON THE FRINGE AND NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING PLAN, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, MIX OF, UM, HOUSING TYPES AND TOWN HOMES AND, AND ALL THAT.

UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST YOUR TYPICAL WRAP.

UM, SO, UM, BUT IF THEY DO THINGS, IT HAS A LOT OF CHARACTERISTICS LIKE THE LAST PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR STORY TO MAKE IT WORK ON THE FRONTAGE AND, UH, BUT THEN THEY LOWER THE DENSITY AS YOU KIND OF WORK, WORK TO THE SOUTH.

UM, YOU KNOW, SURFACE PARKING'S

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NOT MY FAVORITE.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE LOOKING FOR, UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS HIGHER DENSITY, UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE A SEA OF PARKING, SO IT, IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE, BUT IT DOESN'T OFFEND ME THAT MUCH.

UM, AND I THINK FROM THE TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST DOING SOME QUICK CALCULATIONS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A, WHAT WAS IT, 156,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S THERE AT THREE PER THOUSAND PARKING, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE BETWEEN 400 AND 500 VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE FULLY OCCUPIED.

AND IT OBVIOUSLY HASN'T BEEN IN A WHILE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE COUNTS GO DOWN, UM, IN THAT AREA.

UM, I, I CAN TELL YOU TO THE NORTH, YOU KNOW, THE DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TRAFFIC, CREATE MUCH TRAFFIC AT ALL.

UH, JUST NOT, BUT THE DART STATION THAT IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T THE ACCESS POINT INTO IF YOU'RE GONNA PARK YOUR PARK AND RIDE, UH, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD DRIVE UP UP THAT THAT WAY.

SO I MAYBE THROUGH THE TIME OF DAY THAT I'M THERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I DO IT THE AVERAGE NUMBER AND THEN LOOK AT IT, WHAT IT'S FROM SAY FOUR 30 TO SIX 30 MM-HMM .

WOULD BE DRAMATICALLY MM-HMM .

UM, OVERALL IT'S A LOWER DENSITY, YOU KNOW, THAN WE'VE SEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, AT 42 UNITS AN ACRE, LIKE ON THE LAST PROJECT WAS 90, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE TOD UM, MULTIFAMILY, UH, AROUND THE RAIL STATIONS HAVE BEEN HIGHER AT THE 90.

SO, AND I THINK THAT'S PARTLY DUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING YOU GOT, THE, THE, HOW BIG A SITE IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING, BUT AT LEAST IT MEETS THE, THE, THE MINIMUM, UM, EXPECTED DENSITY OF 40 UNITS, UH, PER ACRE, UM, IN THE PARKING.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY NEED TO, TO SATISFY THAT.

SO, AND I LIKE, I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THE GROUND FLOOR OPENS UP TO THE, THE STREET SCAPE.

I LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, EXCEPTION TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE EXISTING MATURE TREES, UH, ALONG GROVE AND ARAPAHO.

APPROVAL, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

SO I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN ISSUES.

ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS? MR. BEACH? FIRST? ONE THING I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER IS PUTTING ON THAT SURFACE PARKING, MAKE IT COVERED PARKING.

I MEAN WHEN IT'S 104 OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD SITUATION.

SO I, UH, HAD THE FORTUNE A MISFORTUNE TO ACTUALLY HAVING WORKED IN THAT BUILDING SOME YEARS AGO, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

UM, IF MY MEMORY SERVES.

ALSO, I THINK THERE'S A GYMNASTICS CENTER RIGHT ON ARAPAHOE JUST OPPOSITE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME REALLY GOOD SYNERGY, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUNG FAMILIES.

AND THAT TO HAVE THE GYMNASTICS CENTER THERE.

UM, FOR ME, THIS PROJECT, UH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL SPACE WITH A MIXED TYPE OF DWELLINGS HAS A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FIELD THAN THE ONE WE JUST REVIEWED.

BUT, UM, I THINK THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, UH, BRIAN, UH, IS A GOOD ADDITION TO THE AREA.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. BEACH, I MOVE.

WE RECOMMEND, UH, WHATEVER IT IS WE RECOMMEND, WHAT'S THE TERM WE USE? APPROVAL.

WELL THAT WE SEND IT TO COUNSEL FOR THEM TO DECIDE WHAT THEY DECIDE.

AS PRESENTED.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALRIGHT, .

HAVE A REC, UH, MOTION.

A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESENTED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK, EVERYBODY.

GOOD TO KEEP GOING FOR ONE MORE OR ONE MORE? I'M GONNA TAKE A BREAK, .

THIS EVENING IS, UM, ZONING FILE 24 DASH 33.

UM, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

OUR FINAL ITEM

[4. Zoning File 24-33 PD Planned Development Amendment – Collins/Arapaho TOD & Innovation District: Consider and act on A request for a City-initiated PD Amendment to the Collins/Arapaho TOD and Innovation District Form Based Code Planned Development to allow a Drone Operations and Maintenance Center as a permitted use in the Employment Sub-District (Section II.A.2) and to add definitions of Drone Operations and Maintenance Center and related definitions to Definitions (Section V) and to add Supplemental Use Regulations for Drone Operations and Maintenance Center. A Drone Operations and Maintenance Center (DOMC) is defined as a designated area of land or structure at least 300 feet from a single-family residentially zoned property, measured in a straight horizontal line from the drone staging areas within the DOMC to the closest single-family residentially zoned property. The DOMC is intended for storage, staging, maintenance and operation of drones, and all maintenance activities shall occur interior to the building. The term includes all equipment, appurtenant structures, and areas necessary to operate a drone, including but not limited to, docking stations, charging stations and safety and storage areas, provided that no structure extends more than 10 feet above the height of the primary structure. Staff: Amber Pollan.]

IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, UM, OF THE COLLINS ARAPO TO OD AND INNOVATION DISTRICT THAT WE JUST HAD A GOOD OVERVIEW OF A, UH, PORTION OF IT, THE STATION AREA.

UM, THIS

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AMENDMENT IS, UM, GEARED SPECIFICALLY TO THE EMPLOYMENT SUBDISTRICT.

SO THE EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT IS THE AREA IN, UM, RED OR KIND OF PINK ON THIS, UM, ON THIS MAP.

SO IT'S THE, THE LARGER PORTION OF THE, THE IQ OR INNOVATION AREA.

UM, THE VISION IS IT FOR IT, FOR IT TO BE A PLACE OF INNOVATION, CREATIVITY, ENTREPRENEUR, ENTREPRENEURSHIP IN A VIBRANT MIXED USE AND HIGHLY AMENITIZED DISTRICT.

UM, AN AREA FOR EMERGING AND SCALING COMPANIES, UH, TECH STARTUPS, CORPORATE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MANUFACTURING EDUCATION.

UM, IS THE, THE GOAL FOR ENCOURAGING THOSE, THOSE USES IN THAT AREA.

SO, UM, PART OF THE REASON WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSIDERATION OF A, A NEW USE WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED IN THE CITY, UM, PREVIOUSLY, THAT OF THE, I'M RELATING TO COMMERCIAL DRONE, UM, OPERATIONS.

SO, UH, WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS AREA.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE EMPLOYMENT AREA IS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, HAS, UM, DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, WITHIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL WITHIN IT, AND THEN IT HAS, IT'S THE AREA THAT'S, UM, MORE SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL, UM, AS FAR AS SOME OF THE, UM, OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE, UH, COLLINS OR APA HOE DISTRICT.

SO IT'S THE AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE.

UM, THIS AREA IS, UH, CLASSIFIED AS THE PLA THE INNOVATION INDUSTRY PLACE TYPE IN THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WHAT WE'RE, UM, LOOKING AT TONIGHT, SO THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS.

UM, WE, I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT, UM, COMMERCIAL DRONE, UM, DELIVERY AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS A EMERGENCY EMERGING TECHNOLOGY THAT, UM, WHILE IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, HAS HASN'T BEEN NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, PART OF DISCUSSION.

UM, AND ESPECIALLY IN 2019 WHEN, UM, THE, THE COLLINS ARAPAHO, UM, TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATION.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY AN EMERGING SPACE NOW AND ESPECIALLY, UM, IN THE DFW AREA.

UH, SO WITH THE WAY THAT THE CODE WAS STRUCTURED AND THE, UM, THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, USES THAT ARE NOT LISTED, UM, CAN BE REQUESTED.

SO THEY, UH, IT HAS TO COME THROUGH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, UM, A LOT OF CASES IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.

UM, THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS TAKES CARE OF THAT.

SO, UH, WE MIGHT HAVE A CASE WHERE THERE'S A USE THAT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED, BUT IT CAN BE REQUESTED AS A SPECIAL PERMIT IN THOSE AREAS AND COME THROUGH, UM, REV UNIQUE REVIEW THAT WAY.

UH, THIS AREA DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE TO BRING IT THROUGH AS, AS ACTUALLY ADDING THE USE TO THE CODE.

UM, WE HAVE HAD A, UH, SOME INQUIRY AND INTO THESE KINDA USES IN THIS AREA.

AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE, UM, TAKING A LOOK AT IT SPECIFICALLY HERE.

SO, UM, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY, UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS SOME SPECIFIC VENDORS, BUT, UH, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT VENDORS.

UM, BUT THERE IS, UH, THE COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONES ARE GONNA BE LARGER THAN, UM, JUST A HOBBY DRONE THAT YOU MIGHT, UH, BE ABLE TO PURCHASE.

UM, BUT THEY ARE REGULATED, UM, THEY'RE, I'D SAY HIGHLY REGULATED.

SO, UH, AND THEN AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE FOR COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UM, LOCATIONS WHERE THAT'S BEING OFFERED IN THE AREA.

AND, UM, IN FACT, PARTS OF RICHARDSON THAT HAVE ACCESS TO IT THROUGH SOME VENDORS THAT ARE, UM, IN NEARBY AREAS.

UH, BUT LIKE LEWISVILLE IS A LOCATION WHERE IT'S BEEN OPERATING SOME.

UM, SO THERE'S NUMBER LOCATIONS WHERE IT IS AN OPERATION.

UH, SO THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS THERE IS TYPICALLY SOME KIND OF DOCKING OR A STAGING AREA WHERE A PRODUCT IS LOADED ONTO A DRONE AND THEN THE DRONE TAKES OFF, IT HA IT TRAVELS, UM, THROUGH THE AIR AND THEN DELIVERS THE PRODUCT TO A SITE.

AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THE DRONES CAN DO THAT.

BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE REGULATION ON THAT, UM, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THE OPERATION AS SOON AS THE DRONE TAKES OFF INTO THE AIR, THEN IT IS UNDER FAA OR THE, THE FEDERAL REGULATION.

SO, UM, THEY ARE REGULATED AS FAR AS, UH, THE, THE OPERATORS THEMSELVES.

AND, UM, CERTIFICATION.

THERE'S A PRETTY, UM, STRINGENT AND INVOLVED PROCESS FOR CARRIER CERTIFICATION, UH, FOR, UM, IN FACT, THERE'S ONLY SIX VENDORS IN THE US THAT ARE CERTIFIED FOR PACKAGE DELIVERY BY DRONE, UM, AS PART OF A PART 1 35 AIR CARRIER.

UH, SO

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THE, UM, AS FAR AS CONSIDERATIONS OR CONCERNS WITH DRONE DRILL, THINGS LIKE, UM, THE SOUND OF OPERATION OR HOW HIGH THEY FLY, UH, BEING ABLE TO, UM, SENSE OTHER OBJECTS AND, AND AVOIDANCE, THAT, THAT'S ALL REGULATED THROUGH THE FAA AND THE MANAGEMENT OF THE, THE FLIGHT THAT WAY.

AND THAT IS, UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF REGULATION AND, UH, MANAGEMENT OF THAT PROCESS.

UM, THE STATE HAS ALSO PASSED RECENTLY LEGISLATION THAT GOVERN GOVERNING PRIVACY CONCERNS AND PROVIDING SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT WAY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S OFTEN A CONCERN.

AND, UM, YOU RECEIVED, UH, A PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPPOSITION, UH, EARLIER THIS EVENING.

UM, THE PRIVACY WAS A CONCERN IS A LOT OF TIMES DRONES MIGHT HAVE SOME KIND OF, UM, VIDEO OR SENSING, UM, EQUIPMENT.

UH, BUT THERE IS REGULATION ON THE STATE LEVEL IN TERMS OF, UM, PROTECTING PRIVACY, UM, AND SECURITY THAT WAY.

UH, A LOT OF THE COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS, THEIR EQUIPMENT IS SOLELY FOR SENSING FOR OBSTACLES.

SO IT'S NOT FOR ANY KIND OF RECORDING OR, UM, OR LIKE RETAINING ANY KIND OF FOOTAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S CERTAIN FOR DELIVERY.

AND THEN, UH, FOR OBSTACLES, SENSING OBSTACLES, SO FOR SAFETY IN FLIGHT.

UM, SO AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, FOR OUR CODE AMENDMENT, SO IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE USE, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE SOME LOCATIONS THAT MIGHT BE PROVIDING THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL DRONE SERVICE.

SO WHERE THEY HAVE A DOCKING STATION, THEY'RE PROVIDING THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE LOADING IN, AND THEN IT'S TAKING OFF AND DELIVERING AT A SITE.

SO THAT'S A USE THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THE AREAS THAT AS THOSE KIND OF VENDORS ARE, UM, GROWING AND THAT USE IS GROWING IN THE AREA.

UH, ANOTHER THING THAT'S, UM, THAT'S COME UP AS A NEED IS A, A PLACE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE DRONES.

SO WE DO HAVE, UM, HAD SOME INQUIRIES INTO OPERATION IN OUR IQ AREA, WHICH LIKE WE'VE MENTIONED, IS GEARED TOWARDS EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES AND, AND SUPPORTING, UM, ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND, AND NEW BUSINESSES.

SO SOME, UH, DRONE OPERATIONS TO BE ABLE TO BE BASED OUT OF THIS IQ AREA.

UM, AS FAR AS, UH, WAREHOUSING OFFICE OPERATIONS, THOSE ARE PERMITTED USES IN THE AREA, BUT AS FAR AS A DRONE COMING IN AND LANDING IN A BUILDING, UM, AS WELL AS REPAIR OR MAIN OR MAINTENANCE OF A DRONE, IF WE DON'T HAVE DEF OUR DEFINITIONS IN THIS CODE, UM, DON'T COVER THAT AND ARE BROAD ENOUGH TO COVER THAT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, ADD AS A USE THIS DRONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER.

SO, UH, ALONG WITH THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A DEFINITION FOR A DRONE, SO A, A DRONE.

THIS COMES THROUGH, UM, FROM THE FAA, UH, BASIC KIND OF DEFINITION FOR AN UNMANNED AIRCRAFT.

SO THAT'S, UH, AN AIRCRAFT THAT'S OPERATED WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DIRECT HUMAN INTERVENTION FROM WITHIN OR ON THE AIRCRAFT.

SO NO ONE'S RIDING ON IT OR ATTACHED TO IT.

IT'S, UM, ALL REMOTELY OPERATED.

UH, THE DRONES OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER, UM, THE PROPOSED DEFINITION IS A DESIGNATED AREA OF LAND OR STRUCTURE INTENDED FOR STORAGE, STAGING, MAINTENANCE, AND OPERATION OF DRONES.

SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE EQUIPMENT, UM, STRUCTURES AND AREA NECESSARY TO OPERATE THE DRONE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DOCKING STATIONS, CHARGING STATIONS, AND SAFETY AND STORAGE AREAS.

SO, UM, THAT THIS REQUEST INCLUDES ADDING THAT AS A USE TO OUR CODE TO THE, OUR LAND USE TABLE WITHIN THE CODE.

SO, UM, DRONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER IS ADDED IN THERE ALPHABETICALLY.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCLUDE THAT AS A PERMITTED USE.

SO, UM, ITEMS ARE TYPICALLY INCLUDED AS PERMITTED OR SPECIAL PERMIT.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING, INCLUDING THIS AS A PERMITTED USE, UM, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR, UH, CONCERNS OR MANAGEMENT FOR, UM, USE.

WE ARE INCLUDING, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.

SO SOME USES HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED TO, UM, PROVIDE FOR SOME SPECIFIC, UH, CONDITIONS FOR REGULATION.

SO ALONG WITH THAT, OVER, UM, INCLUDING, UH, WITH JOINT OPERATIONS, AN ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL USE REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT HAS THREE PARTS.

SO ONE OF THOSE IS THAT IT MUST BE LOCATED AT LEAST 300 FEET FROM A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY.

THAT 300 FOOT DISTANCE IS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE REGULATIONS FOR DRONES.

SO A SEPARATION OF 300 FEET FROM A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDE ZONE PROPERTY IS A TYPICAL REGULATION.

AND THEN, UM, SOME CITIES DO HAVE SOME, UM, OPTIONS FOR, UH, REDUCING THAT IN SOME CASES.

UM, BUT 300 HAS BEEN THE, THE TYPICAL, UM, STANDARD AND, UH,

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THAT DOES SEEM CONSISTENT FOR THIS AREA.

SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT IS, UM, MEASURED IN A STRAIGHT LINE FROM THE DRONE STAGING AREA TO, UH, THIS CLOSEST SINGLE FAMILY RES RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY.

UM, AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS A MAP WITH THE EMPLOYMENT SUBDISTRICT, UM, KINDA IN THE GREEN LAYER ON THE TOP.

UM, ALL THE BLUE UNDERNEATH IS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, UM, WITH A 300 FOOT BUFFER.

SO YOU SEE JUST THE, THE AREA JUST ON THE OUTSKIRTS ON THE SOUTH.

AND THEN ON THIS, UM, SOUTHEAST CORNER ARE THE AREAS THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT, UM, THAT LOCATION.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF, UH, DRONE OPERATIONS ALLOWED IN OR THIS, UM, DRONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GO INTO THAT AREA.

UM, THE OTHER, UM, ITEM AS FAR AS THE SUPPLEMENTAL USE REQUIREMENT IS THE ALL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES.

SO THAT'S LIKE THE REPAIR AND SERVICE, SO LIKE TAKING DRONES APART, WORKING ON THEM, THAT, THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE INSIDE A BUILDING.

UM, AND THEN NO EQUIPMENT OR APERTURE STRUCTURES MAY EXTEND MORE THAN 10 FEET ABOVE THE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WHERE THE CENTER IS LOCATED.

UM, THE REASON FOR THAT, UH, PROPOSED REGULATION IS THAT THERE'S NOT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT GUIDELINE IN THE, UM, IN THIS EMPLOYMENT SUBDISTRICT CODE.

SO THE INTENT WAS THAT IF, UH, THESE STRUCTURES ARE TYPICALLY, UM, ATTACHED TO A SIDE OF A BUILDING, UM, THERE MIGHT BE STAGING AREA THAT'S JUST LOCATED ON THE GROUND, OR IT COULD BE ON A ROOFTOP OF A BUILDING.

UM, SO, UH, WITHOUT A HIGH REQUIREMENT, WE DIDN'T WANT THOSE STRUCTURES TO JUST NOT HAVE A LIMITATION TO EXTEND OR HAVE SOME KIND OF LARGE TOWER OR STRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DRONE USE.

UM, SO THE 10 FEET IS, UH, A REASONABLE AMOUNT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A STRUCTURE THAT PROVIDES SOME LIFT, BUT WOULD HAVE, UM, A LEVEL OF, UH, OF SCREENING AND, UM, MINIMIZE THE IMPACT THAT THE VIEW WOULD HAVE FROM, FROM THE STREET OR ADJACENT BUILDING.

SO I KNOW THIS IS A, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD DISCUSSION ORCHESTRATION ON A DRONE USE BEFORE, AND SO, UM, THIS IS A NEW CONSIDERATION.

UM, WE, THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS, UH, REQUEST, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING A, A GENERAL, UM, AMENDMENT TO THIS, THIS CODE TO START TAKING A LOOK AT THIS USE AND, UM, DID FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING IT AS A PERMITTED USE WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS, UH, TO, UM, MAKING CONSIDERATION FOR STARTING TO HAVE THIS USE IN THIS ZONE.

UM, WE, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON IT.

SO YOU, YOU'RE HERE TO, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND AS THE STAFF PERSON YES.

UH, PRESENTING THE REQUEST.

UM, QUESTIONS.

UM, IS THERE AN ATTENDANT? SO, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE REGULATION IS AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL AND LOCAL LEVEL REALLY IS FOR GROUND OPERATIONS OR, BUT IS, ARE THERE ATTENDANT, UM, CODES FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT RELATED TO THE GROUND OPERATIONS? SO I GUESS IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS OR, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE TO ADD THIS AS A SECTION, WOULD THERE ALSO BE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, ITEMS THAT WOULD BE ADDED ALONG WITH THIS? SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, A 10 FOOT TOWER, SOMEBODY PUTS ONE 12 FEET UP OR SOMETHING MM-HMM .

HOW IS THAT? YEAH, IF, IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF, OF ANY OF THESE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

UM, WE, WE WOULD TREAT THAT AS A, AS A VIOLATION OF ANY OTHER ZONING STANDARD.

IF, UM, WE DO FIND THEM DOING MAINTENANCE OUTSIDE PER SE, OR THERE'S, UM, UNSCREEN STORAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT ISN'T EVEN DIRECTLY READ THE LIST, BUT JUST WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF OUR GENERAL, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT REQUIREMENTS, UH, WE COULD ENFORCE THAT AS WELL.

SO THERE'S NOT A SPECIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT GOES IN PARALLEL WITH THIS, OR NO, SIR.

I THINK REGULATIONS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, NO, SIR.

I DON'T THINK THERE'D BE IT ITS OWN, OWN PROCESS.

IT, WE WOULD JUST USE OUR EXISTING CODE ENFORCEMENT ABILITIES AND REGULATE TO THIS ORDINANCE AND OUR OTHER PROPERTY STANDARDS REQUIREMENTS.

TO BE, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR COMMERCIAL HAULERS, HAVE TO HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE FAA.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, PART TWO IS, UH, DO YOU KNOW, UH, IF THERE'S ANY REGULATIONS ON THE SIZE OF THE DRONES THAT CAN BE OPERATED? I MEAN, I, I GET THAT THESE ARE LARGER THAN YOUR REGULAR RECREATIONAL DRONES AND ALL THAT, BUT, UH, YEAH, THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE REGULATED AT THE FAA LEVEL.

YOU EACH, EACH, UM, EACH DRONE, EACH DEVICE, UH, HAS

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IN THIS CASE, REBECCA, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE AN EXPERT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER DY I AM HAVING, OR BEACH, I CAN'T TELL WHICH ONE THAT IS.

IT'S NEAT.

SO I THINK WITH CERTAINTY, I CAN SAY THIS WILL SERVE ITS PURPOSE IN 2050, BUT MY QUESTION WOULD BE WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF AMENDED CONDITION AROUND EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY OF RICHARDSON AROUND WHY DRONES ARE SO GOOD, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK HERE IS, IS JUST AROUND UNCERTAINTY OF THE GOODNESS OF DRONES.

WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED HERE? LIKE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAM AROUND DRONES ARE FRIENDLY, I HAVE TO SAY ALL HAVE ROBOTICS.

YOU WANNA HIT YOUR, UH, YOUR MIC ON COMMISSIONER POINTER, UH, , ALL HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE ROBOTICS PROGRAMS AND IN PARTICULAR, NER.

SO IN THOSE ROBOTICS PROGRAMS, THOSE STUDENTS REALLY GET EXPOSED TO THIS, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT I GOTTA GO HOME AND TELL THE PARENTS.

YOU GOTTA TELL THE, YEAH.

GOT IT.

IT'S MORE OF A GENERATION.

THE OTHER THING I, I, I'D SAY IS, IS WE ARE TALKING WITH A FEW VENDORS.

UM, THEY HAVE OUTREACH.

I MEAN, IT'S MARKETING FOR THEM, SO THEY HAVE OUTREACH EFFORTS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING.

AND I THINK, FRANKLY, AS THIS, UM, GETS DEPLOYED MORE AND MORE, IT'S JUST GONNA BECOME COMMONPLACE.

YOU'LL SEE IT AT YOUR WALMARTS AND YOUR OTHER RETAIL CENTERS, UM, AND IT'LL BE JUST BE, YOU KNOW, SECOND NATURE EVENTUALLY.

MR. BEACH.

THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION, BUT IT, IT, I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW NEIGHBORHOOD WALMART ON, UH, BUCKINGHAM, THERE'S BEEN A GROUP OUT THERE DOING DRONE DELIVERY FOR, I DON'T KNOW, MONTHS NOW.

AND, UH, SO THEY CAN JUST SET UP ANYWHERE AND DO THAT, OR, OR THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO, OR THEY, OR I, I MEAN, SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM QUITE ALIGNED HERE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE SIX COMPANIES THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO.

YOU NEED TO HIT YOUR MIC.

AND SO WE, THAT'S ONE OF THE SIX COMPANIES THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO.

UH, THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY WAS DRONE UP WHO HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH WALMART TO BE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO YOU'D RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE NAMES OF THE OTHER COMPANIES, BUT YEAH, ONE OF THE SIX.

SO I, I THINK WHAT THE DIFFERENTIATOR WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE IF, IF THESE GROUPS START TO CREATE PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE OR STRUCTURES ON PROPERTIES, THEN WE WOULD TREAT THAT THROUGH A SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROCESS.

UM, FOR RETAIL CENTERS, I THINK WE WOULD EITHER TREAT IT AS, AS JUST AN ACCESSORY USE, UH, OR, UM, EITHER AN AN, AGAIN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, UH, A SPECIAL PERMIT.

'CAUSE IN MOST OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, WE ALLOW, UM, UNLISTED USES TO BE APPLIED FOR THROUGH A SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS.

IT'S JUST THAT THE IQ THE IQ ZONING IS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT THAT WASN'T A CONSIDERATION WHEN, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED.

SO WE'RE JUST ADDING IT AS A USE INSTEAD.

AND THEY DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEA OF, UH, THAT WASN'T, UM, THAT WASN'T MY IDEA.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOR THE ANSWER.

COMMISSIONER POINTER, AS AN ASIDE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO THINK ABOUT HAVING A DRONE DELIVERY POINT IN ALL THESE VARIOUS APARTMENT.

THAT MIGHT BE KIND OF COOL.

AND I GAVE, UH, KEITH SOMETHING ABOUT THAT FROM THE APARTMENT BUILDERS, IF I CAN FIND IT AGAIN.

LOCATING IN REQUIRED SETBACKS OR REQUIRED LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, EASEMENTS.

SO I'M NOT CLEAR IF I KNOW THAT THIS IS FOR THE IQ AREA, IT'S FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA.

WHAT ARE THE LOCAL ORDINANCES OR REGULATIONS FOR LIKE A WALMART WHO WANTS TO JUST SET UP IN THEIR PARKING LOT? CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? SURE.

I, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TAKING UP, IF, IF YOU'RE TAKING UP CODE REQUIRED PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, UM, IF YOU'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING UP SUCH AN EXPANSIVE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT IT, IT BECOMES OBSTRUCTIVE TO THE PRIMARY USE OR MAYBE EVEN BECOMES THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, TRYING TO BE FLEXIBLE, PARTICULARLY AS THESE THINGS ARE DEPLOYED AND PEOPLE ARE TESTING DIFFERENT DELIVERY METHODS AND AND WHATNOT.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF, IF IT WAS EITHER OF THE, UH, INTENSITY OR THERE WAS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE BEING ADDED, LIKE A DELIVERY TOWER WHERE THEY DOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK WE WOULD TAKE THAT THEN THROUGH, UM, UH, AN APPROVAL PROCESS, LIKELY A SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS.

UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE, UM, STARTED, UH, STARTED ADOPTING SOME CODE REGULATION ON IT, AND THEY, THEY TYPICALLY, UM, HAVE EITHER BEEN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT OR, UM, IN A FEW CASES CONSIDER THEM JUST AN ACCESSORY USE WITH REGULATION.

BUT YEAH, LIKE, UM, MR. GOFF SAID TYPICALLY THEY HAVE RESIDENTIAL SEPARATION REQUIREMENT, UM, AND THEN HAVE SOME LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, LIKE NOT

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UM, SO A, A LEVEL OF SOME REGULATION AS FAR AS THE SITE LOCATION AND, UM, AND MEETING SOME GENERAL GUIDELINES ON THE SITE.

I GUESS I'M WONDERING, I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHAT WOULD PREVENT ME FROM, IN A LOCATION WHERE EVERYTHING IS BY RIGHT? JUST STARTING UP A DRONE BUSINESS THERE CURRENTLY WITHIN RICHARDSON, YOU KNOW, NOT TOWERS OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT JUST WHERE I DECIDE ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M GONNA START FLYING ROADS, I MEET ALL THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS, I MEET THE STATE.

UH, I I MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF FIRST.

THAT'S QUESTION FOR STAFF TO ANSWER.

I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S JUST RECREATIONAL, THEN, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE A, A ZONING ISSUE THERE.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S A BUSINESS TALKING I'M TALKING ABOUT, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH A PRIMARY USE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S NOT AT A WALMART, YOU JUST FIND A VACANT PIECE OF LAND OR AN OFFICE BUILDING AND YOU KIND OF START DOING YOUR OWN, YOUR OWN THING, UM, THEN WE WOULD CONSIDER OUT THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND IT WOULDN'T BE A LISTED USE.

SO THEREFORE IT EITHER WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED OR REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT.

SO I, I'M HAVING A BIT OF TROUBLE WITH MAKING THIS A PERMITTED USE, UH, OVER THIS ENTIRE DISTRICT, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, THIS IS THE ONLY PART OF THE CITY WHERE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A PERMITTED USE, IT'S ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.

UH, THERE IS NO SPECIAL PERMIT INVOLVED IN THE EMPLOYMENT SUBDISTRICT, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE SETBACKS.

UM, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE IF YOU OPEN IT UP AS A PERMITTED USE, YOU COULD HAVE HUNDREDS OF THESE AND YOU WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO TURN 'EM DOWN BECAUSE BY ZONING IT WOULD BE BY, RIGHT.

UM, AND I, I THINK YOU COULD GET INTO CONFLICTS, UM, POTENTIALLY WITH THE LOCATION OR NUMBER OF THESE OR OTHER SURROUNDING USES THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY THINKING ABOUT.

AND AGAIN, DATA CENTERS BEING ONE, UH, BUT THERE COULD BE OTHERS.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY PICK ONE AREA AND SAY IT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

VERSUS JUST SAYING IT'S A BY SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OR FOR CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, UH, LET'S SAY RETAIL FOR EXAMPLE.

AGAIN, GOING BACK, I CAN SEE WHERE A LOT OF THESE MIGHT WANNA POP UP AT, AT A WALMART , RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PACKAGES ARE LOCATED, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU PUT ONE HERE IN THE IQ, I MEAN, WALMART'S NOW GONNA DELIVER ALL THEIR PACKAGES TO THIS TYPE OF SITE, RIGHT? OR MAYBE, I'M NOT EVEN THINKING OF IT CORRECTLY.

MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA FLY TO WALMART AND LAND AND PICK IT UP AND THEN DELIVER IT, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK.

AND THIS IS JUST SIMPLY STORAGE AND MAINTENANCE.

BUT STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY IN WHERE, WHERE THESE ARE PROPOSED.

UM, SO IN, IN MY VIEW, IT SHOULD BE A SPECIAL PERMIT, NOT, NOT A BY, RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT, UM, OR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THEY ENTAIL.

AND, AND WE'RE NOT REGULATING, UH, THAT FLIGHT PATHS AND, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL IN THE AIR.

I DON'T.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT GIVES ME PAUSE TO LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS LIKE PERMITTED.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO REALLY ASK, COME BACK TO US.

YOU CAN GO BUILD IT.

UM, WE DIDN'T VIEW IT AS, AS POTENTIALLY PERVASIVE AS THOSE DELIVERY POINTS.

BECAUSE, AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDENT ON THE FA.

SO THE, THE, THE, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THIS IS A, A, A DIFFERENT USE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AT WALMART.

SO THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE, THE BACK OF HOUSE OR BACK OFFICE PART OF, OF THE NETWORK.

THIS IS WHERE, UH, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD FLY TO, OR, OR IF THEY REALLY BROKE DOWN OR GET DRIVEN TO THIS FACILITY FOR MAINTENANCE OR CHECKUPS OR STORAGE OR UPGRADES OR, OR WHATEVER.

YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE PACKAGE DELIVERY DIRECTLY FROM HERE.

THESE, UM, THIS USE WOULD BE WHERE THE DRONES COME TO GET THEIR, THEIR SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE.

THEN THEY'D GO OUT TO THESE DELIVERY TOWERS AT YOUR WALMARTS OR YOUR JIMMY JOHN'S OR, UM, TORCHY'S, UM, PICK UP THE PACKAGE THERE AND THEN HOVER OVER SOMEONE'S HOUSE OR BUSINESS OR WHATEVER AND, AND DROP THE PACKAGE THERE.

UM, SO IT, IT, IT'S NOT AS,

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'CAUSE I MEAN, I GUESS THEORETICALLY EVERY BUSINESS EVENTUALLY COULD, YOU KNOW, WANT ONE OF THESE THINGS.

BUT THAT, THAT BACK OFFICE, BACK OF HOUSE KIND OF AREA WHERE YOU'RE WE'RE DOING MAINTENANCE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T THINK THERE WOULD BE THAT MANY.

UM, UH, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE THAT IN INTENSITY, UH, OF, OF FLIGHTS INTO AND OUT OF THE FACILITY.

UH, BUT IF THAT ALL BEING SAID, UM, IF YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BEING A SPECIAL, UH, PERMIT PROCESS, THEN SAME THING.

WE CAN JUST, THE RECOMMENDATION COULD BE TO MAKE, YEAH, I, I MEAN, JUST GOING BACK TO YOUR LIST OF, UM, USES, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY BY SPECIAL PERMIT.

I MEAN, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT TYPES OF USES IN THE EMPLOYMENT SUBDISTRICT REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT? UM, ASSISTED LIVING CENTER, BEER AND WINE PACKAGE CELLS, A BOARDING KENNEL, CHILDCARE CENTER, COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, INDOOR COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, OUTDOOR EVENT CENTERS, A FOOD TRUCK PARK, UM, HELIPAD HOSPITAL.

UH, SO KIND OF GETTING INTO, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE, WE REGULATE BY SPECIAL PERMIT AND OTHER, OTHER AREAS OF THE, THE CODE, UM, HEAVY MANUFACTURING, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR AND MINOR.

AND MY POINT IS THAT HERE'S A USE THAT'S NEW.

IT'S INNOVATIVE.

I GET IT.

IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD PROBABLY ENCOURAGE IN THAT DISTRICT VERSUS MAYBE SOME OTHER, UM, AREAS, UH, WHERE YOU'RE CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL AND THAT TYPE OF THING, OR, UM, BUT I MEAN, THOSE ARE .

WE KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BOARDING KENNELS AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTERS AND EVENT CENTERS, YET WE STILL SAY, AS A CITY, YOU GOTTA COME TO US AND WE WANNA SEE SPECIFICALLY WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING IT, WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO, AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR YOU.

THE APPLICANT THAT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, STAYS WITH YOU.

I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE WITH DRONES, IT SHOULD FOLLOW MORE OR LESS THOSE SAME, SAME GUIDELINES.

UH, I JUST, I DO THINK WE NEED TO SIGNAL THAT WE'RE TECHNOL TECHNOLOGY, UH, INNOVATIVE.

IF IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR NOT.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S NO HINDRANCE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET, OF THESE SIX NATIONAL COMPANIES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET SIX OF 'EM THAT WANNA BE IN THAT CORRIDOR.

YOU MIGHT GET ONE.

THEY EACH ARE AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW UNDER SPECIAL PERMITS, AND THEY EACH HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. AND SO I, IF IT'S NOT AN IMPEDIMENT, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO SIGNAL, ESPECIALLY IN AN INNOVATION QUARTER WITH A UNIVERSITY NEARBY, ET CETERA, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE INTERESTED IN, IN PROACTIVE, I THINK.

SO WHAT'S YOUR ASSESSMENT OF, UH, OTHER SUBURBS? UM, SO I KNOW, UH, PLANO HAS ADOPTED ORDINANCES.

AND I, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF, I I THINK THAT'S WHAT A SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT A A PERMITTED RIGHT BY SPECIAL PERMIT, , YOU KNOW, IT'S A SIGNAL, HEY, IT IS ALLOWED, BUT YOU STILL GOTTA, YOU KNOW, WE WANT ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE, SO TO SPEAK, TO SAY YAY OR NAY ON A SPECIFIC, UM, LOCATION.

SIZE, I MEAN, IS, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS HERE AND YOU KNOW, IS WE HAVE NO BUILDING HEIGHT, MAX BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE IQ.

I MEAN, WE COULD BUILD A HUNDRED STORIES, RIGHT? BUILDING THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

TODAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING THESE ON THE TOPS OF OFFICE TOWERS OR, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA END UP GOING.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY, INSTEAD OF MAKING IT A BLANKET, IT'S PERMITTED.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US, YOU CAN BUILD IT ANYWHERE.

WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER IT.

CHARLES, DOES IT, OR, UH, DOES IT, IS IT AN IMPEDIMENT IF IT'S SPECIAL USE, UH, FOR A POTENTIAL? I MEAN, IS IT AN IMPEDIMENT? YES.

IS IT OVERCOMEABLE POTENTIALLY? IT, IT, IT DEPENDS.

UM, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEONE'S, UH, WE RUN INTO, SOMETIMES IF A BUSINESS IS LOOKING AT TWO LOCATIONS, ONE CITY GETS ALLOWED BY RIGHT'S, WATER PARTS DEPARTMENT, THAT MAY BE THE TIPPING FACTOR.

BUT IT IS A 60 DAY PROCESS, YOU KNOW, GONNA STOP SOMEONE THAT REALLY WANTS TO BE HERE OR HAS A, HAS A DRIVE TO BE HERE.

PROBABLY NOT, BUT I CAN'T SAY IN EVERY CASE THAT THEY WOULD STILL KEEP US.

SO CAN YOU GIVE US A COMPARISON? I, I KNOW SOME CITIES ARE RELUCTANT.

SOME, SOME CITIES ARE UNDERWAY, FRISCO'S, ONE THAT'S UNDERWAY.

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I BELIEVE THEY REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT.

UM, AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM POTENTIAL DRONE OPERATORS IS THAT THE WAY THEIR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S INTENDED DIS TO DISCOURAGE THE USE ALTOGETHER.

UM, I KNOW LITTLE ELM HAS THEM AND ALLOWS THEM PRETTY FREELY.

THOSE ARE THE TWO I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, SO SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE REGULATIONS, UM, THAT HAVE PASSED REGULATIONS RECENTLY, PRINCETON, UH, PROSPER, UH, COLLEYVILLE.

UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT, THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE HUBS AT A COMMERCIAL LOCATION THAT ARE MAKING DELIVERIES FROM THAT SITE TO RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS.

SO THAT'S ONE SITE THAT'S CON THAT'S ON A REGULAR BASIS IS HAVING DRONES COMING TO AND FROM THAT SITE.

UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOTICED, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT, WHAT WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT? WHAT WOULD YOUR DISCUSSION BE ON? UM, AND A LOT OF THE CASES, EVEN THESE ONES THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL PERMIT, THEY HAD GUIDELINES THAT WERE, UM, THAT WERE STRAIGHTFORWARD, THAT, LIKE I MENTIONED WITH THE LOCATIONAL GUIDELINES, LIKE NOT LOCATED IN A REQUIRED SETBACK OR A FIRE LANE OR AN EASEMENT, UM, OR REQUIRED PARKING SPACE.

LIKE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD, UNDER A PERMITTED USE, WE WOULDN'T ALLOW 'EM THERE ANYWAY.

SO A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT WERE THINGS THAT, UM, JUST WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWED ANYWAY IF IT WAS PERMITTED, UH, AS FAR AS LOCATIONAL ISSUES.

AND THEN, LIKE I MENTIONED, ONCE IT GOES UP INTO THE AIR, THINGS LIKE, UM, THE SOUND, THE FLIGHT PATH, UH, MOST OF THE OPERATORS HAVE, UH, PROGRAMMING THAT, UM, VARY THE FLIGHT PATH SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS FLYING OVER THE SAME LOCATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT UNDER SPECIAL PERMIT, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF JURISDICTION ON.

UM, OR THEY'RE JUST TELLING THE APPLICANT, WELL, YOU CAN'T, ALRIGHT, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IN AN EASEMENT, THEN THAT LOCATION'S OKAY.

AND SO IT SEEMED LIKE IT, IT MIGHT BE A LEVEL OF PROCESS THAT LIKE ISN'T, LIKE MR. GOFF SAID ISN'T A HURDLE, BUT MAYBE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ENTIRELY NECESSARY ON THE PROCESS.

CAN I, UM, JUMP IN HERE? UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

SO, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS MODEL'S EXACTLY WHAT THE, UH, PROPOSAL IS, BUT THIS SAYS OPERATION OF DRONES, AND IT SAYS AN OPERATION OF DRONES, WHICH I BELIEVE, TO YOUR POINT, CHAIRMAN MARSH OPENS UP BEING ABLE TO OPERATE DRONES AS WELL.

IT'S NOT JUST I, UH, MR. GOFF, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID, BUT THE LANGUAGE, IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED AS WRITTEN, WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY BY RIGHT.

TO OPERATE DRONES OUT OF THAT AREA.

I, I'M JUST GONNA THROW OUT AN EXAMPLE.

YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A 10 ACRE SITE AND YOU'RE GONNA RUN A THOUSAND DRONES OUT OF IT, AND IT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT, RIGHT? BECAUSE ALL, ALL THE CITY COULD WOULD CONTROL IS THE MAINTENANCE CENTER, WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, ON THE USE.

BUT IF THE FAA SAID, HEY, WE'RE OKAY WITH A THOUSAND DRONES COMING IN AND OUT OF RICHARDSON, THIS AREA, I MEAN, THE CITY REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE A WAY TO STOP IT CAN THROUGH THAT.

NOW, I, I, I'D HAVE TO GET A LEGAL OPINION ON THAT.

'CAUSE THEN WHERE DOES OUR REGULATION START AND THE FA A'S REGULATION, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING HOW MANY FLIGHTS THERE ARE GONNA BE, DOES ADDING INTO THE FA A'S REALM, OR IS THAT OUR REALM? WELL, IT, IT, IT IS PROBABLY THE FAA 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THEY, THEY HAVE CONTROL OF THE AIRSPACE.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE FLIGHT PASS, HOW HIGH THEY FLY, PROBABLY THE NUMBER OF FLIGHT PATHS.

I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS LIKE THE CITY HAS NO CONTROL OVER, RIGHT? BUT THEORETICALLY, IF ALL WE SAY IS WE, ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, AND YOU HAVE IT AS PERMITTED, RIGHT? I COULD SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA TAKE 10, 20, 30 ACRES AND TURN IT INTO A DRONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER AND IT COULD SERVE THE WHOLE METROPLEX.

SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I'M LIKE, THAT'S MY FEAR HERE IS THAT THERE COULD BE THIS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF, YEAH, WE'RE PROMOTING INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY, BUT WE'VE GOT A A, AN AREA WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE REINVESTMENT IN A LOT OF IT CHANGING FROM FLEX INDUSTRIAL TO MIXED USE AND, UM, RESIDENTIAL THAT

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I, I, I, THAT'S MY BIGGEST THING ABOUT MAKING IT A PERMITTED USE.

COULD I OFFER A COMMENT THAT MAY BE RELEVANT? UM, I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR, UH, NOT WANTING THE DELAY OF A, A SPECIAL PERMIT TO POTENTIAL APPLICANTS.

COULD THAT BE ACCOMMODATED BY REQUIRING A REGISTRATION? IF AN OPERATION, LIKE IF, IF THIS USE IS GOING TO BE INSTITUTED THAT IT NEED TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY IN SOME WAY, IT IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALREADY BE REGISTERED THROUGH, ITS THROUGH ITS CO BASICALLY.

SO WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD KNOW THAT THEY WERE THERE.

UM, WELL, BUT, BUT SINCE THIS COULD BE ADDED TO AN ANOTHER BUILDING, WOULD IT BE REGISTERED THROUGH THE CO I THINK IT'S FOR THE CITY TO BE, WELL, THE DRONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A, A STANDALONE USE AND TO, TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER ROBERT'S, UH, COMMENT.

I THINK THE OPERATIVE WORD THERE IS.

AND, AND SO I THINK IN APPLICATION OF THAT USE, WE WOULD LOOK FOR ALL OF THOSE USES TO BE PRESENT, NOT JUST ONE OF THEM.

WITH THE FAA AND WHERE YOU'RE APPROVED TO OPERATE.

I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT OPERATIONS OF DRONES, AGAIN, THESE SIX COMPANIES, EACH DOES IT DIFFERENTLY.

BUT AMONG THOSE ARE THAT DO IT COMPLETELY REMOTELY.

SO THEY HAVE PERSONS OPERATING DRONES.

YOU CAN OPERATE 'EM UP TO 2200 MILES AWAY THAT ARE SITTING IN AN OFFICE BUILDING SOMEWHERE IN DALLAS OPERATING DRONES IN, IN VIRGINIA.

SO THAT IS SIMPLY AN EMPLOYMENT ISSUE.

THEY'RE EMPLOYED THERE.

THEY ARE NOT OPERATING A DRONE WITHIN HUNDREDS OF MILES, 2200 MILES OR LESS.

SO YOUR THINKING ON THIS CAN BE AT SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS, AND THESE COMPANIES ARE ALL AT DIFFERENT PLACES WITH THEIR SYSTEMS. BUT I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THE WORD MIGHT BE DELIVERY.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN RESTRICT DELIVERY.

I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW TO CHANGE THE WORDS, BUT YOU CAN SIT IN A BUILDING NEAR THE IQ AND OPERATE A DRONE THAT'S NOT EVEN ANY MILES AWAY.

YOU CAN ALSO SIT IN A WALMART PARKING LOT, AND THAT'S CORRECTLY CALLED, SHE CORRECTLY CALLED IT A HUB LOAD A DRONE WITH TWO CANS OF GREEN BEANS AND SEND IT OFF INTO THE APPROVED DESIGNATED AREA THAT, THAT, THAT PROVIDER HAS ALLOWED.

WE'RE NOT ABOVE OURSELVES IN OUR THINKING, BUT IT'S, YOU, YOU, WHAT YOU WANT IS YOU WANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HAVE NOT A HUB, THAT'S A DELIVERY POINT, BUT HAVE OPERATIONS.

AND THAT MAY BE THE PROBLEM WITH THE WORD OPERATIONS AS WELL, MR. SOUTHERN, THE OH, NO.

WELL, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST MYA IS THE CONCERN OF THE UNKNOWN.

AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE US MILITARY HAS WHAT THE PREDATOR DRONES THAT , YOU KNOW, ARE JA ARE LIKE AIRPLANES, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY'RE THE SIZE AIRPLANES.

UM, AND YEAH, IT'S, THESE ARE NOT JUST THE LITTLE THINGS YOU SEE IN THE BACKYARD, UH, WITH A CAMERA ON IT.

UH, SO THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE.

THIS, THIS IS AN UNMANNED AIRCRAFT.

IT DOESN'T SAY HOW BIG OF AN AIRCRAFT.

WELL, I MEAN, SO, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT'S UNDER FAA GUIDELINES, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S AGAIN WHERE I, I THINK IT'S GOTTA BE, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A, A A SAY SO, AND, YOU KNOW, IS THIS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE PROPERTY CONSIDERING EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING AROUND IT AND THAT'S BUILT AROUND IT AND IT JUST CAN'T BE A PERMITTED USE.

UM, MAKE ONE MORE EXAMPLE.

UH, THOSE FOLKS, LIKE, THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A, A CENTER POINT, A BUILDING, A PLACE FOR THEIR TEAMS TO MEET.

THEY MIGHT HAVE, IF THEY'RE NOT DOING IT REMOTELY, THAT'S ALSO BECOMES A PLACE OF EM, EM, EMPLOYMENT, IF YOU WILL, THAT THAT A EMPLOYMENT CENTER AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WOULD BE PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF A OPERATIONS CENTER OR AN OPERATIONS REPAIR, THE DRONE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE CENTER AS WELL.

THEY COULD COME FROM, IT DEPENDS AGAIN, WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM YOU HAVE APPROVAL FOR

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BUT I THINK IF WE COULD GET OVER THE WORD OR A BETTER DEFINITION OF THE WORD OPERATION WITH THE EXAMPLE I'M USING SAYING YOU CAN OPERATE REMOTELY, YOU CAN BE DELIVERING REMOTELY VERSUS DELIVERY, WHICH WE CAN'T, WHICH THE FAA DECIDES NOT US, BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE WORD.

THAT IS THE, IS THE CHALLENGE.

WE COULD CLARIFY THAT AND MIGHT HAVE TO WORDSMITH THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THAT OPERATION OF DRONES, COMM WITHOUT DIRECT PACKAGE DELIVERY FROM THE PREMISES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT, I THINK THAT, UM, GOING WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT IS NOT AN UNDUE BURDEN.

IF YOU'RE GONNA SET UP AN OPERATIONS CENTER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 60 DAYS ANYWAY.

I MEAN, WHY COULDN'T THEY APPLY FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT AT THE FRONT END OF THAT? SO IN MY MIND, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT NUANCES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT SIZE OF AIRCRAFT AND ALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT AND ALL OF THAT, UM, ALL OF THAT WOULD GET SUSSED OUT DURING A SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S AN UNDUE BURDEN.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THIS, UH, I MEAN, ARE WE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE APPLICANT'S .

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S TIME WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS, UM, AND MAKING COMMENTS OBVIOUSLY.

SURE.

UM, BUT I JUST, IT'S UNUSUAL.

WE HAVE THE, THE, THE CITY AS YOU KNOW, PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF AND AS THE APPLICANT.

SO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR, AND I KNOW WE GOT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THEM.

SO, UM, THAT'S .

SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, OF COURSE, A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IS DATA CENTER IN RICHARDSON BECAUSE THE ZONE AREA'S, INFORMATION ZONE, UH, BUT IT JUST, UH, LIKE TWO MINUTES FOR THOSE WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS DATA CENTER, UH, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITY.

SO, UH, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE BEEN HERE LATE TONIGHT.

UM, SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE THOSE COMMENTS.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S OPEN.

LYNN MA.

UH, MY NAME IS LYNN MA.

I'M HERE, UH, REPRESENTING ONE SOURCE CLOUD, UM, CORP.

UM, RESIDES, UH, AT, UH, 900 DOROTHY WAY NORTH THREE C DRIVE, WHICH IS THE ROUNDED CIRCLE AREA.

AND HERE ALSO WE'RE TENANT AT DRT DATA CENTER HERE IN THIS AREA AT 9 0 4 QUALITY WAY.

SO WE ARE, UH, OPERATING A DATA CENTER AS WELL AS PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE AS A SERVICES.

UH, WE PROVIDE, UM, UM, CLOUD SERVICES AND WE HOST A LOTS OF A VERY CRITICAL, I DON'T KNOW, I PROBABLY, I KNOW MR. GEN GENTLEMAN, YOU BUILT THE RT CAMPUS.

SO YOU KNOW, HOW SELECTIVE AND CRITICAL, WHEN WE CHOOSE A LOCATION TO BUILD A DATA CENTER, YOU HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM A FLOODING ZONE.

NOT ONLY THAT, YOU HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG AWAY FROM A HIGHWAY RAILROAD AND FLIGHT ROUTES, THOSE IMPOSE AND EXPOSE, UM, RISKS, THREATS TO THE SAFETY AND CONTINUITY OF A DATA CENTER OPERATION.

OUR HOPE COMMISSION TODAY, NOT ONLY JUST TALK ABOUT HOW TO INVITE, INVITE NEW INVESTMENTS, AND, UH, I I, WE ARE A HIGH TECH COMPANY, SO WE ARE EMBRACING, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF NEW TECHNOLOGY IN OUR CITY.

BUT PLEASE KEEP THE INVESTMENT ALREADY.

WE POURED INTO THIS AREA INTO A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

PROTECT US, PROTECTS OUR INVESTMENT.

YOU KNOW, UM, I'M SURPRISED THAT BECAUSE THE HOLIDAY AND THE SHORT NOTICE, I, I SAW THE NOTICE WAS SENT OUT DECEMBER 27TH.

I TOLD TO DATA BANK AND, UH, WE TALKED TO OUR CON OUR CONTACTS AT DIGITAL REALTY TOO.

I'M SURE THEY WOULD HAVE OPINION ON THIS, UH, SUBJECT AS WELL.

BUT DUE TO THE, YOU KNOW, HOLIDAYS, AND I'M NOT EVEN THE BEST PERSON TO REPRESENT OUR COMPANY SHOULD BE OUR, UH, SECURITY COUNCIL AND LEGAL GENERAL.

BUT HERE I AM, I WOULD JUST, UH, PUT MY 2 CENTS HERE, UH, JUST TO, TO HAVE THE VOICE UP.

AND I ALREADY HEARD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS, UH, FROM THE VERY EXPERIENCED AND ESPECIALLY CHAIRMAN.

IT JUST PERFECT, I MEAN, EVERYTHING YOU SAID, I WAS JUST LIKE A SPOT ON.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS OPERATION.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL IMPOSE, UM, THE, THE KIND OF RISKS IMPOSED TO OUR, TO OUR OPERATION, UNLESS TO MENTION WHAT KIND OF IMPRESSION WILL BRING TO OUR CUSTOMER WHO ARE VERY, VERY, UM, UM, HIGHLY CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY, SAFETY, AND THE SECURITY.

SO I'LL JUST HAVE MY 2 CENTS LISTED OUT HERE.

UM,

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UM, I MEAN, IF YOU ARE NOT IT PROFESSIONAL, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE THE CORE DATA CENTER IS THE CORE OF OUR DIGITAL WORLD.

YOU KNOW, CRITICAL SYSTEMS SUCH AS THE NETWORK BACKBONE DEVICES, CLOUD SERVERS, HOSTING WEBSITES.

LIKE YOU BOOK A BOOK A, A ONLINE, YOU GO TO AMERICAN AIRLINE BOOK A A TICKET, YOU KNOW, YOU GO, YOU, YOU GO TO TURBOTAX TO FILE YOUR TAX RETURNS.

YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN A DATA CENTER.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN THE CLOUD, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE CLOUD, IT'S IN THE DATA CENTER.

SO DATA CENTER IS CRITICAL IN OUR DIGITAL WORLDS.

UM, AND MOBILE APPLICATIONS, MEDICAL RECORDS, STORAGE, E-COMMERCE TRANSACTIONS, STOCK MARKET TRADING SYSTEMS ALL HAPPEN IN A DATA CENTER.

THAT'S HOW CRITICAL THE BUSINESS CONTINUITY AND THE SAFETY AND THE SECURITY IS FOR DATA CENTER.

AND OUR, OUR FACILITY AT 900 AS WELL AS THE WHOLE DRT CAMPUS, FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, ITS PURPOSE BUILD FACILITY IS OPERATED UNDER THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF SAFETY AND SECURITY.

MULTIPLE LAYERS OF VERY COSTLY INFRASTRUCTURES HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED TO ENSURE SAFETY AND BUSINESS SECURITY ANNUITY, INCLUDING CONCRETE ENHANCED WALLS, PERIMETER FENCES, LIGHTNING RODS, SEVEN TIMES 24 CIVILIAN SYSTEMS, UNINTERRUPTED POWER SUPPLY, A LOT OF TIMES ONE PLUS ONE.

THAT'S LOTS OF MONEY.

I'M, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

AND BACKUP GENERATOR SYSTEMS TO PROTECT AGAINST POWER OUTAGES.

I MEAN, WE ALREADY POUR A LOTS OF INVESTMENT HERE IN THIS AREA FOR OUR BUSINESS TO GROW.

SO IT'S UNFAIR TO ALL OF A SUDDEN, I'M SORRY, CAN I HAVE A COUPLE MORE ? I'M THE LAST ONE.

UM, I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ALL OF A SUDDEN CHANGE THE SITUATION OF THE ZONE, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN INFORMATION AND DATA CENTER AREA INTO WHICH WE CAREFULLY SELECTED BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE WON'T BE FLIGHT ROUTES AND AIR AIRPLANE CRASH, ESPECIALLY, WE DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THOSE DRONES.

THAT'S EVEN A, A HIGHER RISK, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST BASICALLY, RIGHT.

SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, WE SEE THIS AS, UM, IS, UM, UNDERMINING THE SIGNIFICANT IN INVESTMENT WE HAVE MADE.

UH, NUMBER ONE, OF COURSE, THE SECURITY RISKS, UH, PROTECTING THE CONFIDENTIAL AND CONFIDENTIALITY AND INTEGRITY OF OUR FACILITY AS PARAMOUNT DRONE OPERATION IN, IN THE AREA COULD COMPROMISE THE SAFEGUARD, INTRODUCING RISKS SUCH AS, OF COURSE, I HEARD THAT THE, THE DRONES DOES NOT HAVE, UH, UH, CAMERAS, BUT OUR CUSTOMERS DON'T, RIGHT? WE CANNOT JUST EXPLAIN, EMPHASIZE, ESPECIALLY TO THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT.

WE DON'T, ONCE YOU ALLOW DRONE TO BE OPERATED IN THIS AREA, WE DUNNO WHICH WOOD DRONES ARE COMMERCIAL DRONES THAT DOES NOT HAVE CAMERA, OR WHICH DRONES ARE ASAGE ZONES, DRONES THAT HAS CAMERA.

YOU DON'T KNOW.

HOW DO YOU TELL, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, MISUSE, YOU CAN BE MISUSED.

THIS APPROVAL COULD BE MISUSED TO VERY LARGE EXTENT BECAUSE ONCE YOU LOST CONTROL, I HEARD YOU, YOU KNOW, FAA IS IN THE AIR, BUT IT'S OUR CITY, IT'S OUR AREA, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR INVESTMENT ON THE GROUND.

WE CANNOT MOVE.

SO WE'RE PLANNING ON YOU COMMITTEE TO PROTECT OUR INVESTMENTS.

AND OF COURSE, OPERATIONAL RISKS, DRONE ACTIVITIES COULD DISRUPT A DAILY OPERATION IN SEVERAL WAYS.

AS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ELECTROMAGNETIC INTERFERENCE WILL WITH OUR COMMUNICATION SYSTEM OF OUR, IT EQUIPMENTS ACCIDENTAL COLLISIONS.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE REASON WE CHOOSE DATA CENTER SHOULD BE AN AREA THAT IS A FAR AWAY FROM HIGHWAY, FAR AWAY FROM RAILROAD, FAR AWAY FROM FLIGHT ROUTES.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS IS OPERATION HUB AND A MAINTENANCE HUB.

AND WE ARE FORESEE A LOTS OF DRONE COMING IN AND OUT AND MAYBE DOING A LOT OF TEST RUNAROUNDS IN THIS AREA.

WE DON'T, DUNNO, HELP ME HERE.

THEY ARE RUNNING TESTS FOR MAINTENANCE.

HOW ABOUT THE PROBABILITY OF A COLLISION FOR A TEST, YOU KNOW, CENTER WHEN THE DRONE IS, HAVE A PROBLEM BEING TESTED.

I MEAN, THE COLLISION RATE IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH HIGHER THAN A DRONE IN A PERFECT OPERATION PRODUCTION MODE.

SO THIS IS A BIG CONCERN.

I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF.

SORRY, YOU'VE GONE OVER YOUR TIME, SO, OKAY.

UM, I'M, I'M DONE, BUT I'M DONE.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S OUR BUSINESS VALUES, RIGHT? AND UH, AND, UH, THIS IS, UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EXPLAIN TO EVERY CUSTOMERS LOSE TRUST AND WE'LL SEE THE DRONES FLYING AROUND IN THIS AREA.

UH, I'M SURE DRT AND DATA BANK AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN OUR

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DATA CENTER BUSINESS WILL HAVE THE SIMILAR OPINION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? HUH? THAT PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YOU? YOU CAN FILL IT OUT AFTER YOU TALK.

OH YEAH.

OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

MY NAME IS STEPHANIE COOK.

UM, I'M WITH, UM, ONE OF THE DRONE DELIVERY COMPANIES.

I THINK ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ABOUT SIX COMPANIES IN THE METRO THAT ARE OPERATING.

UM, THE COMPANY I WORK FOR IS CALLED ZIPLINE.

SO APOLOGIES, I WILL FILL OUT THAT FORM AFTER THE FACT.

UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG EVENING.

I WANTED TO SHED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT KIND OF ON OUR, ON OUR OPERATIONS.

AND WE ARE REALLY EXCITED.

WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT RICHARDSON AND, UM, WE, WE TRULY FEEL THAT OUR VISION AND WHAT WE ARE DOING ALIGNS REALLY WELL WITH THE IQHQ.

UM, SO WHAT DOES THE PLANE DO? WE ARE A DRONE DELIVERY COMPANY.

WE DON'T OPERATE PREDATORY DRONES.

WE DON'T OPERATE DRONES FOR SURVEILLANCE.

WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.

WE'RE HERE TO DELIVER GOODS FROM A TO B AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UM, AND THE VISION FOR THE, THIS, THIS MAINTENANCE SENSOR THAT WOULD BE IN RICHARDSON, UM, IS REALLY FOR, UH, FOR JONES TO BE MAINTENANCE.

UM, THAT'S WHAT THE HUB WOULD BE FOR.

UM, WE CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE DOING ANY TESTING.

THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE LOCATION.

ALL OPERATIONS WOULD BE HAPPENING, ALL THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE INSIDE OF THE HUB AS MENTIONED.

UM, AND WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT TO DATE ZIPLINE HAS DONE 1.2 MILLION COMMERCIAL DELIVERIES, UH, AROUND THE WORLD.

WE'VE DONE 90 MILLION AUTONOMOUS MILES ON ALL THAT WITHOUT ANY MAJOR SAFETY INCIDENTS.

SO THIS COMPANY IS, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD REPUTATION AND, UM, WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD AND DELIVER PRODUCTS QUICKLY.

UH, I THINK EARLIER SOMEBODY MENTIONED COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS.

UM, WE DON'T PLAN ON OPERATING IN ANY CITY WITHOUT EDUCATING.

UH, WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT VIDEOS THAT CAN KIND OF HELP SHOW WE DO SOME MAPS, UM, KIND OF EXPLAINING HOW THE FLIGHT PATH WORKS AND, UM, EXPLAINING HOW OUR DRONE AT ALL TIMES ARE AT ABOUT 300 FEET IN THE SKY.

UM, SO YOU REALLY CAN KIND OF BARELY NOTICE THEM.

UH, OUR, OUR DRONE ARE, ARE EQUIPPED WITH A PROPRIETARY TECHNOLOGY CALLED FLIGHT IQ, WHICH HELPS US, UH, DETECT OBSTACLES AND AVOID OBSTACLES.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY SENSORS THAT WE HAVE ON BOARD.

SO WE TRULY DO NOT FEEL THAT WE ARE A RISK TO ANY DATA CENTERS, UM, OR TO SAFETY OR PRIVACY.

UM, AND THE LAST THING THAT I'LL POINT OUT IS, UM, THE PD AMENDMENT.

WE THINK THE, THE, IF IT DOES END UP REQUIRING AN SUP, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED KIND OF REGARDLESS IN THIS DISTRICT.

SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD QUESTION IS IF THE PD AMENDMENT THEREFORE SERVES KIND OF A GREATER PURPOSE OR NOT, UM, SEEING AS AN SUP WOULD BE REQUIRED REGARDLESS.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN, IN A NUMBER OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITHIN DFW IS THAT D DRONE DELIVERY IS BEING LOOKED AT AS ACCESSORY USE, UM, OR AS JUST A GENERAL PERMITTED USE.

UM, FINALLY, I'LL NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF, UM, DRONE OPERATIONS, ALL DRONES DO REQUIRE SOME SORT OF CHARGING.

UH, THEY REQUIRE POWER AND DATA.

SO IN TERMS OF HOW THAT GETS APPROVED, SIMILAR TO A BUILDING, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A HUNDRED FOOT STORY BUILDING IN THE IQHQ, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO I DO THINK THERE IS STILL A, A FAIR BIT OF CONTROL THAT IS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.

UM, BUT WE ARE OBVIOUSLY ORIGINALLY, I THINK WHEN SPEAKING WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, WE WERE LOOKING AT AN SUP AND ARE ALSO VERY HAPPY TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE AND COME BACK AND WOULD LOVE TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION, UM, ABOUT OUR TECHNOLOGY.

ANYONE ELSE? UH, IN THE AUDIENCE? THERE'S ONLY ONE MORE OVER THERE, .

UM, SO THE CITY DOES HAVE A RIGHT TO COME BACK AND, UH, , SO REBUT ANYTHING THAT THEY JUST HEARD.

DO AS THE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE WORD OPERATION OF DRONES IN THIS? COULD WE, WELL, I MEAN, LET'S, I, I MEAN I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF HANDLE THAT LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.

UH, SO, UM, BUT I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.

ALRIGHT.

AND, UH, MAYBE JUST, UH, ADDRESSING THE RIGHT NOW, UH, IF, IF, UM, ZIP LINE WANTED TO COME IN AND BUILD ONE OF THESE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTERS, UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE RULING BY THE CITY? SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, .

I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IN, IN, IN BOTH REGARDS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, BOTH CONCERNED ABOUT DRONES AND IN FAVOR OF DRONES IS A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT BOTH OF THEM TALKED ABOUT WERE, AGAIN, THE PURVIEW OF FAA REGULATIONS AS FAR AS FLIGHT PATHS, HOW FAR AWAY THEY HAVE TO STAY FROM CERTAIN USES, ANY POTENTIAL INTERFERENCE OR MONITORING OF THE USES.

THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT WE COULD BASE A ZONING DECISION ON.

'CAUSE THOSE ARE NOT A LAND USE DECISION.

SO, UM, DO WITH THAT INFORMATION, WHICH YOU WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE COMMISSION WISHES TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT THERE IS, THAT THIS IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM, FROM DIRECT DELIVERY SERVICES, AGAIN, WE CAN, WE'LL HAVE TO WORDSMITH IT WITH, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD THAT, UH, TO THE DEFINITION.

AND THEN IT'S REALLY UP TO, UH, THE COMMISSION'S, UM, DISCRETION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO RECOMMEND THIS BE A SPECIAL PERMIT.

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I KNOW.

BUT, UM, SO IF WITH THIS NOT IN PLACE, IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.

PERIOD.

UNLESS WHAT HAPPENED? UNLESS, UNLESS THERE WAS A REZONING, UNLESS THERE WAS A REZONING, UM, OR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, A REZONING, WHICH COULD BE AMENDING THE IQ DISTRICT COULD BE, UH, MAKING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A PROPERTY IN SOME OF OUR OTHER DISTRICTS, UH, CERTAINLY ARE BASED ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT EVEN SOME PDS, AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR UNLISTED USES.

SO THEY COULD GET A SPECIAL PERMIT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS AN UNLISTED USE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS, IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS WHERE THAT'S ALLOWED.

UM, AGAIN, FOR WHATEVER REASON WHEN THE IQ, UH, ZONING WAS DRAFTED, THAT WASN'T A CONSIDERATION HERE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT TAKES A ZONING TO THE WHOLE PD TO ADD THIS AS AN ALLOWED USE.

MR. POINTER, I'M GONNA LET, 'CAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MOTION , SO YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY.

I HAD A QUESTION FOR ONE OF THE RESPONDENTS.

CAN WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS AT ALL? UH, WELL, IT'S REALLY ALL, UH, COMMENTS ARE JUST IF YOU WANNA ASK A QUESTION, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

JUST TO MISS MA, UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT PROTECTING YOURSELF WITH MY PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC AGAIN.

YES, YES.

MY QUESTION'S FOR, FOR, FOR YOU IN TRYING TO KIND OF, UH, GET YOUR CUSTOMERS IN A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN PROTECT YOUR, YOUR INVESTMENT.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE, SURFACE TO AIRDROME MUNITIONS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT? UH, CAN YOU TURN THAT MIC ON? OH, EARLIER, UH, I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LIKE AGAINST THE WHOLE AREA TO EMBRACE THE NEW ERA.

I JUST DON'T WANT DRONE TO BE ABOVE MY HEAD YET.

AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.

YOU COULD JUST DIG A HOLE IN THE ZONE, YOU KNOW, FLIGHTING ALLOW ZONE, DON'T COME TO THE, NEAR THE DATA CENTER, I THINK, BUT IF THEY DO, YOU CAN SHOOT 'EM DOWN.

I DON'T, CAN I, SO THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

GO SET ME UP.

I DUNNO, AGAIN, I'M, THAT WAS ONLY QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? SO I'M GONNA MOTION THAT, LET'S SEE HOW I DO THIS.

AND, UH, I MAY BE THE, GO AHEAD.

OH, I GOTTA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR MOTION? NO, NO.

I'M HOLDING MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, SO I, I LOOK, I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I KNOW 900 DOROTHY, I REDEVELOPED THAT BUILDING INTO A DATA CENTER.

UH, DID THE, UH, DIGITAL REALTY CAMPUS, UM, THERE, UH, THERE'S SEVERAL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTED IN THOSE PROPERTIES.

ALONE.

UM, AND, UM, AND, AND I AGREE WITH THE SPEAKER IN THAT, UM, THE CUSTOMERS THERE AND THE, AND THE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT INVESTED ALL THE MONEY, SO, UH, WOULD NOT, UH, LOOK FAVORABLY ON HAVING DRONE FLIGHTS OVER THEIR DATA CENTER.

IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S, IT IS IT, WHAT SHE SAID IS THE TRUTH.

I MEAN, UM, AND THAT MAY BE GOVERNED BY THE FAA AND YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO, UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF LIKE MAYBE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, AND PROMOTE THIS DISTRICT, UM, I, I CAN SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY A SPECIAL PERMIT.

I, I WOULD NOT AGREE TO IT AS A PERMITTED, RIGHT.

THAT ANYBODY AND EVERYWHERE IN THE DISTRICT CAN PUT THESE THINGS UP.

WELL, I CAN STILL MAKE A MOTION AND IT CAN BE

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SECONDED AND VOTED UPON.

THAT'S MINORITY OPINION COMES FROM THE COMMITTEE.

SO IT MAY OR MAY NOT GO FORWARD.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND SEE IF IT GETS SECONDED.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE A MOTION.

I MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS, WE, WE, WE ALL CAN RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL, UH, RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR A DRONE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE CENTER, PROVIDED THE WORD OPERATION IS CLARIFIED.

AND THAT'S THE END OF MY MOTION.

SO, UH, I JUST, YOU HAVE TO ASK IF THERE'S A SECOND .

YEAH, SURE.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

WOULD YOU, UM, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A QUESTION, SOME COMMENTS ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

SO I, I JUST, I'M, I'M WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

WHEN YOU SAY, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, SO YOU'RE SAYING AS PRESENTED AS A PERMITTED USE, AS WITH, AND WHAT IS THE CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF ON THE OPERATION? UH, OPERATION IS EX WE CAN'T EXCLUDE YOU.

YOU SAID I MOVE, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS.

OH, OKAY.

WITH, WELL, A CLARIFICATION ON OPERATIONS.

WHAT CLARIFICATION IS THAT EITHER WE LEAVE OPERATION IN THERE.

SHE INDICATED THAT OPERATION WOULD NOT BE PART OF, SHE'S NOT SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA BE REMOTE FLYING.

IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM ZIPLINE? IF SHE WA IF SHE WANTS TO COME BACK TO THE, UH, LECTERN AND RESPOND.

SO I, YEAH, THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.

SO THEN I'LL, I'LL TAKE OUT, I'M STILL GONNA, I MEAN, IT'S YOUR MOTION.

I MEAN, WE CAN VOTE ON IT AS YOU PRESENTED.

OPERATION MAINTENANCE, NOT DELIVERY.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

WE SECOND IT.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

BUT I, I DON'T THE OPERATIONS CAN, I'M JUST, I CLARIFIED WITH THE DELIVERY THAT, THAT, THAT IS NOT, WE CAN'T, THAT THIS IS FOR AN OPERATIONS CENTER.

OPERATION MAINTENANCE.

SO IF I, OPERATIONS DOES NOT MEAN IN THIS CASE DELIVERY.

IF I CAN HELP, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD.

UM, SO AT THE END OF THE FIRST SENTENCE, AFTER OPERATION OF DRONES, ADD SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, AND AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE EXACT WORDING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT, UH, WITHOUT DIRECT, UH, DELIVERY SERVICE FROM THE SITE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

YOUR OWN, YEAH.

PERIOD.

SO IF YOU GET THE DIRECT, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OP OPERA OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, ZIPLINE MAYBE NOT OPERATING THEIR DRONES OUT OF THIS FACILITY, BUT A ANOTHER, SOMEBODY ELSE MAY TOO.

OPERATIONS RELATED TO MAINTENANCE.

ANOTHER ONE MAY CHOOSE TO, I MEAN, AND IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE TITLE DRONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER.

BUT, UM, BUT IF, IF THE INTENT IS TO NOT ALLOW DELIVERY OF GOODS, UH, FROM THIS SITE, THEN WE CAN ADD THAT PHYSICAL, YEAH, PHYSICAL DELIVERY, YES.

COULD WE JUST ADD NOT TO INCLUDE DELIVERY AFTER THE, YOU WANNA PUT, SO, I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

HERE.

WE, WE, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND IT, I, I, WELL ALL, I'M NOT LEAVING IT TO THE, I'LL CON, I'LL CONTINUE TO, TO MAINTAIN THAT OPERATIONS NEEDS TO BE DEFINED.

A COMPANY CAN OPERATE, A DRONE CAN OPERATE THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS DELIVERY.

IF THE, IF THE DEFINITION IS OPERATIONS AS IN A COMPANY MATERIAL THAT IS, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN DELIVERY.

SO, OR IT COULD BE OPERATIONS RELATED TO MAINTENANCE, NOT EXCLUDED INCLUDED.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND CALL ON A VOTE ON, AND SINCE THERE WAS A MOTION NO, I'LL, I'LL MAKE IT ALL IN ONE SENTENCE SO IT CAN BE RECORDED.

THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE.

SO IT WOULD BE I MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZF 24 DASH 30 OF ZF 24 DASH 33.

AND MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE IN SUPPORT OF DRONE OPERATIONS.

EXCLUSIVE OF DELIVERY.

I'M NOT EVEN GONNA PUT DELIVERY IN THERE.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I CAN GET, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET IN THE FA A'S TERRITORY OR NOT.

SO I, THAT'S IT.

IN SUPPORT OF DRONE OPERATIONS TO OPEN COMMISSIONER BEACH, YOU, UH, SECONDED THE FIRST MOTION.

I AM GONNA GO BACK TO YOU, SEE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AS A NO AMENDMENT.

I CAN'T SECOND IT IF IT DOESN'T SAY EX UH, EXCLUDING BALLOON.

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WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S VOTE ON THE FIRST ONE.

HOW ABOUT THAT? RIGHT? THAT'S PROTOCOL, RIGHT? YEAH.

WHAT ONE IS THE FIRST ONE THERE? THERE IS A, I'LL READ IT.

MOTION.

PROVIDE, IT WAS A, A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS AS WITH A CLARIFICATION ON OPERATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SECONDED.

I, I CAN GO FOR THAT.

BECAUSE CLARIFYING OPERATIONS WOULD SAY EX EXCLUDE, EXCLUDE, EXCLUDING DELIVERY.

AND THAT CLARIFIES OPERATIONS OR OPERATIONS.

I, I, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT FROM, THAT WAS NOT THE MOTION.

SO IT IS CLARIFICATION.

POINT.

IT'S CALLED POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

AND, AND IT'S GONNA BE TO PROVIDE IN SUPPORT, I'M SORRY, EX WITH A DEFINITION OF OPERATIONS.

IS THAT AN, IS THAT A VERB OR A NOUN? I CAN'T TELL IN THIS SENTENCE.

OPERATIONS.

YOU READY? I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, BRIAN, I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IF NOBODY SECONDS IT, NOBODY VOTES FOR IT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT A COMMITTEE IS FOR.

IT'S FOR RIGHT.

IT MAY NOT BE.

THAT'S WHY I WANNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO JUST VOTE ON IT, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE IS OTHER ONE FULL NOW OR ARE WE GONNA VOTE ON IT? ALRIGHT.

PARDON ME? WELL, WE MADE ONE THAT WAS SECONDED.

DO, ARE WE, THE ONE THAT WAS SECONDED WAS THAT, UH, IT WAS IT, UH, WITH THE, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, OF IT AS PRESENTED WITH THE CLARIFICATION ON THE OPERATIONS.

YES, THAT WAS IT.

SO, SO WE ROLL ON IT OR PRETEND TO YEAH.

E EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF THAT ONE? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THAT WAS 5 2 5.

UM, FOUR TO THREE.

NO, WITH, UM, SOMEBODY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING ON ASK FAVOR.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THROWING ME OUT.

IT WAS FOUR TO THREE.

WHO'S IN FAVOR? THERE WE WAS.

COMMISSIONER SUTHER? YES.

ARE THOSE OPPOSED? COMMISSIONER SUTHER.

SO THAT FAILED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT, I, I, I THINK, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT PARTLY BECAUSE IT'S A CONFUSING MOTION THAT DOESN'T GIVE STAFF OR ANYONE ELSE DIRECTION ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE CAN WORK, TRY TO WORK THROUGH IT AND WORDSMITH IT BEFORE PRESENTING A MOTION.

UNLESS YOU HAVE A MOTION THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IS VERY CLEAR AS TO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO OR ANYTHING.

I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT VOTING FOR ANYTHING THAT MAKES THIS A PERMITTED RIGHT BY, RIGHT.

SO, OKAY.

BUT THAT'S WHAT A COMMITTEE'S FORCE FOR A MINORITY OPINION TO BE HEARD.

EVEN AS COMMITTEE CHAIR, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT A MOTION AND A SECOND IF IT, IF IT GOES THROUGH, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE COMMITTEE CHAIR.

HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF DRONES, POTENTIALLY, THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT, I HAVE NO IDEA THE SCOPE OF THESE OPERATIONS, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF CHAIRMAN MARSH'S POINT.

SO I'M, I'M LEAVING IT OPEN TO Y'ALL.

IF YOU WANT TO, UM, PRESENT AN AL AL ALTERNATE MOTION, WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION FOR THE SAKE OF TRYING TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION ALONG.

UH, HOPING, NOT OVERSTEPPING, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S TWO ISSUES REMAINING.

IS, IS I THINK THERE'S A DESIRE BY SOME ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION TO CLARIFY THAT THIS SITE CANNOT BE USED FOR DELIVERY OF GOODS.

AND THEN I THINK THERE'S AN OPEN QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT OR NOT.

SO IS THERE ANY, AS THE APPLICANT, IF I WANT TO CHANGE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UM, IF WE, IF WE AMEND THE DEFINITION TO, TO SAY WHAT I SAY IS AS, AS DESIGN AS A DESIGNATED AREA OF LAND OR STRUCTURE INTENDED FOR THE STORAGE, STAGING, MAINTENANCE, AND OPERATIONS OF DRONES, PROVIDED NO DIRECT DELIVERY OF GOODS, UH, OCCURS ON SITE, THIS LOCATION.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THE, THE DEFINITION PART OF IT? AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THE SPECIAL PERMITS? SO I HAVE A, I JUST YEAH, CAN GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION SLASH COMMENT? WHAT, WHY DOES IT MATTER WHETHER GOODS ARE BEING DELIVERED FROM THIS LOCATION? I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF OPERATION, RIGHT? BUT THEY, THEY COULD OPERATE IN THIS LOCATION TO BRIAN'S POINT, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE GOING ALL OVER THE METROPLEX, FLYING TO WALMART, WHEREVER ELSE, AND THEY'RE USING THIS AS THE HUB TO COME BACK TO.

AND SO WE HAVE

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BUT WHY, WHY DOES IT MATTER IF, IF THEY'RE DELIVERING DIRECTLY FROM THIS HUB, IF THEY'RE GOING ELSEWHERE AND THEN COMING BACK TO THE HUB? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WELL, TO ME, THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY'RE GOING SOMEWHERE WITHOUT A PACKAGE.

THEY'RE ARRIVING THERE, I'M SORRY.

YEAH, JUST TURN ON YOUR MIC SO WE YOU CAN BE RECORDED.

PARDON ME? I'M LOUD ENOUGH.

I'M ROLLING.

RECORD.

ANYWAY, UM, TO ME, THE DIFFERENCE IS IF I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I'M STAGING HERE AND IN SENDING IT OVER THERE, THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY LIKE SENDING YOU A BOOK OR SENDING YOU TWO CARTONS OF MILK OR WHATEVER.

AND IT ELIMINATES THE QUESTION OF SOMEONE ACTUALLY HAVING A DRONE OPERATION IN THE SENSE OF DELIVERY.

HOWEVER, IT IS A DRONE OPERATION IN SUPPORT OF MAINTENANCE.

SO PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, THEY'RE CHARGING THEIR DRONES OR WHATEVER THEY'RE NEEDING TO DO, LIKE THAT, HAVING BEARINGS REPLACED, WHATEVER THAT IS.

BUT THEN IT GOES OUT TO WHEREVER, TO WHEREVER IT GOES TO GO TO WORK.

SO THAT MAY BE COMMISSIONER KELLER.

AND I, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE IS, THERE, THERE, THIS IS SO VAGUE, THERE, THERE IS SO MUCH UNKNOWN, SO LITTLE CLARITY, SO LITTLE UNDERSTANDING IN WHAT THIS COULD BECOME.

AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING THAN WHAT PERHAPS MS. POYNTER'S UNDERSTANDING IS, THAN PERHAPS WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, THAN PERHAPS WHAT CHAIRMAN MARSH'S UNDERSTANDING IS COULD WELL BE.

AND SO I THINK THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED, UM, AT BEST CREATES THE POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF, OF DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS.

AND I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS IN MAKING THIS A, UM, A, A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A PERMITTED USE.

IT'S OPEN TO SO MANY INTERPRETATIONS.

AND, AND I THINK WITH IT BEING SOMETHING THAT IS RELATIVELY NEW AND DOES HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND COMPLICATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS, THAT I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO, YOU KNOW, DESPITE THE, THE MOVE TO PUSH TOWARDS INNOVATION AND THIS POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY BEING AN INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY, IT MAKES SENSE, AT LEAST FOR SOME TIME PERIOD TO RETAIN THE POWER TO REVIEW THIS.

SO MY COMMENT IS, UH, CONSISTENT PROBABLY WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER KELLER AND SHEMAR.

UM, I THINK IT'S TOO VAGUE BECAUSE WHAT IF I DECIDE I'M GONNA SET UP AN OPERATION FOR DRONE PHOTOGRAPHY.

I'M NOT DELIVERING ANYTHING, BUT I'M FLYING DRONES IN AND OUT TO TAKE PICTURES.

AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AS IT'S WORDED NOW.

SO I WOULDN'T, THAT'D BE ILLEGAL.

UH, FROM THE STATE LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOBODY HERE FROM THE STATE LEVEL THAT'S TOLD US THAT.

I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME.

SO MY POINT IS, IS THAT I THINK UNTIL, UM, UNTIL IT'S EITHER REWORDED, YOU KNOW, IN IT'S WITH SOME SPECIFICITY OR THAT WE GO BY SPECIAL PERMIT, I JUST CAN'T SEE MYSELF VOTING FOR IT, EVEN THOUGH I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE NEW TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW? UM, SO THAT'S MY COMMENT.

CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION? WELL, WHAT'S DRIVING THIS? I MEAN, IS THERE, DO WE, IS IT, IS IT THIS, UM, ONE COMPANY WE HEARD FROM? IS THIS, IS THIS MULTIPLE? I I I THINK IT WAS CITY SAID, WE HAVE MULTIPLE INQUIRIES.

I MEAN, WHY, WHY THE NEED? NOW THERE'S ONE OPERATOR TALKING ABOUT A DRONE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CENTER.

WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MULTIPLE DRONE DELIVERY SERVICES.

WOULD THE CITY ENTERTAIN A CONTINUANCE TO DO THE WORDSMITHING? I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I'M WORDSMITHING .

SO MY, MY QUESTION BECOMES, I UNDERSTAND WANTING TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, THE IQ AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO A SPECIAL PERMIT CITYWIDE? BECAUSE EE EACH, WE'D HAVE TO REZONE EVERY PROPERTY TO REQUIRE SPECIAL 'CAUSE NOT EVERY PROPERTY HAS THE SAME ZONING.

SO WE'D HAVE TO REZONE EVERY PD WE'D HAVE TO REDONE EVERY BASE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DOING THEM AS, AS THEY COME UP.

TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, IF YOU WERE A A, UM, A PHOTOGRAPHY BUSINESS SURVEY BUSINESS, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT A, YOU'RE NOT AN OPERATIONS AND AND MAINTENANCE CENTER.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE A PHOTOGRAPHY BUSINESS.

YOU, YOU DON'T DELIVER ANYTHING.

YOU, YOU, YOU MISUNDERSTOOD.

YOU HAVE A DRONE SURVEY BUSINESS AND ALL

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YOU TAKE PICTURES, YOU SURVEY, IT'S STILL DRONE OPERATIONS.

AND THAT, I'M JUST SAYING THE CONCEPT AND SEIZING ON DELIVERY DOESN'T REALLY COVER THE WATERFRONT.

IT DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING THAT COULD COME AND GO BY.

IF WE WERE TO PROVE IT AS WRITTEN, THAT'S MY POINT AGAIN, FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSION IS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS, I MEAN WE'RE, YOU DON'T OBJECT TO THAT .

UM, THIS WAS WAS THE PROPOSAL.

'CAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS FAIRLY LIMITED TO, TO SOMETHING THAT IS A A A A DIFFERENT, USE MORE OF A MAINTENANCE CENTER THAN, THAN YOUR, YOU KNOW, UM, KINDA DELIVERY HUBS.

UM, SO WE DIDN'T THINK THERE'D BE THE PREPONDERANCE OF THEM.

UM, WE THOUGHT WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL USE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD HEAR THAT THAT, THAT WE COULD REGULATE.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSE IT AS, AS JUST A PERMITTED USE.

BUT IF, IF THERE'S A, UM, A, A CONCERN JUST BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THIS, THAT WE WANNA REVIEW THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, THAT'S TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE TOO.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S Y'ALL'S AND THE COUNSEL'S CALL.

JUST, I'M JUST GONNA RAISE, DO WE KNOW, UH, THAT ALL THE DRONES ARE, UM, RUN ON JUST BATTERY CHARGE? ARE ANY OF 'EM RUN ON ANY OTHER TYPES OF FUEL? AGAIN, IF IT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S AUTHORIZED BY THE FAA, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE.

SO POTENTIALLY A JET FUEL, POTENTIALLY IF AUTHORIZED BY THE FAA.

I MEAN, WHAT IF WE JUST CHANGED THE SAME ? THAT'S A, I MEAN, GROWN MAINTENANCE CENTER DEFEATS THE PURPOSE AND DROP OUT THE WORD OPERATIONS ALTOGETHER.

IT'S JUST A MAINTENANCE CENTER.

YOU'RE GONNA BRING IT IN HERE, YOU'RE GONNA CHARGE IT, FIX IT, DO WHATEVER, RELOAD THE SOFTWARE.

BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS IN THE SENSE OF DELIVERY OR PICK UP OF THAT.

WONDER IF IT'S MAINTENANCE OF JET FUEL, UH, ENGINES, IS THAT GONNA BE ALLOWED? UH, PROBABLY.

I MEAN, UNDER THE DEFINITION TODAY, WHAT WE'RE SEEING BEING PRESENTED WITH SHERMAN MARK, IT'S MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS, DOCKING STATIONS, I, YOU KNOW, CHARGING SAFETY AND STORAGE.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT DISCUSSES THIS IS ONLY FOR BATTERY OPERATED ELECT ELECTRIFIED DRONES.

THAT'S ALL.

I MEAN THAT THE DRONES THAT ARE BEING USED ARE BEING, HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE FAA.

IT'S NOT THAT, THAT WHAT WE SAY CAN'T SUPERSEDE WHAT THE FAA HAS APPROVED.

IT'S ON A LIMITED BASIS TESTING THE CONCEPT OF DRONE DELIVERY.

AND SO THAT TYPE OF DETAIL IS, THAT IS OVERSTEPPING FOR US AS A LOCAL, AS A LOCAL BOARD.

NOW, THE, THE THE CORRECT DEFINITION, NO, BUT THAT IS NOT WHERE WE COME INTO PLAY.

SO, BUT IF I'M JUST WHAT IFS, IF THE FAA APPROVES A DRONE POWERED BY JET FUEL, BY THIS DEFINITION, IF IT WAS A PERMITTED USE, SOMEBODY COULD BUILD A OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE REFUELING STATION IN THE IQ.

IT IT'S BY, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.

BUT FEDERAL LAW IS GONNA SUPERSEDE, SUPERSEDE US.

WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, I MEAN THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T APPLY.

SO COULD WE REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE QUESTIONS, BUT THE CHALLENGE IS YOU GUYS HAVE PROPOSED THE ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WANT IT, WANT TO BE ASKED, OR DO WE JUST WAIT, SHALL WE POTENTIALLY HEAR BACK WITH A BETTER DEFINITION? OR DO WE MOVE IT TO SPECIAL USE? A SPECIAL USE CASE CHAIRMAN, WE, WE, WE HAVE AN, WE HAVE A, AN OBLIGATION HERE TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THE REQUEST AND WE CAN APPROVE IT WITH AS IS OR WITH MODIFICATIONS, OR WE CAN JUST DENY IT.

WE HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS ON THE LAND, ON OUR LAND.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT THESE ARE, HOW BIG THEY ARE, HOW MANY, WHERE, HOW THEY'RE BEING FUELED.

CAN, CAN WE, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE EVEN BEING OPERATED HERE LOCALLY OR IF THEY'RE IN, COULD WE HAVE 2000 MILES AWAY? UM, WE'RE INVITING THESE INTO OUR MOST, ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT AREAS OF THE CITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REINVEST IN.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE'VE GOTTA BE CAREFUL NOT FOR THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE, THAT WE ARE SABOTAGING SOME OF OUR BIGGEST INDUSTRIES AND CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE IQ.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE DEVELOPMENT.

SO TO LAND, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO DRONE OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE CENTERS, I MEAN, TO ME THERE'S A LOT OF RISK THERE.

AND TO JUST MAKE IT, IT'S BY RIGHT, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.

JUST DO IT IS TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, NOT VERY SOUND FOR THE CITY.

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BUT WE'VE GOTTA DO, OR WE CAN OR WE CAN TABLE IT.

WE CAN TABLE IT.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN, I'S THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION.

IT'S JUST A CONTINUATION.

AGAIN, I I GUESS DIRECTION FOR STAFF THOUGH, FOR TABLING IT FOR WHAT PURPOSE? TO ADD SPECIFICITY TO WHAT CAN BE DONE AND TO CONSIDER, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT.

IF, IF, IF YOU ALL WANT A SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS, BUT REQUIRE IT THROUGH A SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS.

THEN IN THAT CASE, DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE WORK.

IF FO UP THEN I BEFORE SPECIAL PERMIT OR, OR WHATEVER IT'S, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO.

ALRIGHT, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT, UH, ZF 24 33, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZF 24 33 AS A SPECIAL PERMIT.

THAT'S MY MOTION.

NOT AS, UH, MY RIGHT SECOND.

THE MOTION? YEAH, THE CONVERSATION QUESTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, UM, DID WE GET EVERYBODY? NO, SOMEBODY DIDN'T VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? NO.

MYSELF, COMMISSIONER BEACH, COMMISSIONER BONAC IN OPPOSITION.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER COYER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

OKAY, THAT'S FOUR.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED FOUR TO THREE.

UM, , UM, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO DEBATE THESE THINGS WITH THE COMMISSION.

YOU GUYS, I, I, EVERYONE'S GREAT AND, UH, APPRE APPRECIATE THE RESPECT THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH OTHER AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS AND TRY TO COME TO THE BEST SOLUTION.

SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, I THINK WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS.

SO, UH, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS YOU HAVE, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S APPROVED.

IT PASSED.

WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST, YOU, YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, CASE WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT.

AND IT WAS FOR THE, THAT'S, THAT WAS WHAT WE VOTED ON.

AND SO, YEAH.