* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING. [ CALL TO ORDER] CALL THIS MEETING THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM FIRST ON OUR AGENDA, COUNCIL MEMBER KEN HUTCHIN RIDER WILL LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. IF YOU JOIN ME IN PRAYER, PLEASE. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AS A RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO DELIBERATE ON THE ITEMS WE HAVE TONIGHT. GIVE US AN OPEN MIND, OPEN EARS, AND ALLOW US TO COME TO A GOOD DELIBERATIVE, UH, ANSWER THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF ALL IN OUR CITY. WE ASK THIS THROUGH YOUR NAME, AMEN. IF YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. HUTCHIN RIDER. THIS TIME WILL GO TO ITEM [3. MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 6, 2025 MEETING] NUMBER THREE. BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. MR. HUTCH AND WRITER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES AS PUBLISHED. UH, MR. CORCORAN SECOND. GOT A MOTION. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, [4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM ] PUBLIC COMMENTS AND AGENDA ITEMS AND OUR VISITORS FOR MR. MAGNER. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. WE DID RECEIVE, UM, ONE CARD, UH, IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE FOR MR. TERRY SMITH IN THE 1300 BLOCK OF TIMBERLAKE CIRCLE, WHO INDICATED HE WOULD SPEAK TONIGHT, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, A NUMBER OF OTHER CARDS ON ZONING FILE. 24 24 RECEIVED THREE CARDS ALL IN OPPOSITION TO, UH, THE CASE. ONE FROM LAUREN DECKER, 5 22 CARROLL COURT, RICHARDSON, UM, ONE FROM CAROLINE LE F OF FIVE 19 EAST SPRING VALLEY, AND THEN ONE FROM VIVIAN RUTLEDGE, FOUR 12 TERRACE DRIVE. HE HAD ALL IN OPPOSITION. AND THEN ONE CARD IN FAVOR OF ZONING FILE 24 30 FROM BILL KEFFER, 37 25 BLACKBURN STREET IN RICHARDSON. UM, BEFORE WE CALL ON MR. SMITH, UH, MAYOR, I'LL READ THE COMMENTS, UH, UH, INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMMENTS. THESE ALSO APPLY TO, UH, ANYONE SPEAKING DURING A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, DURING THIS PORTION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT HEARING IS OPENED. IF THERE'S TIME LEFT DURING THE INITIAL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITORS FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS REACHED, THEN SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITORS FORM SCHEDULED. AT THE END OF THE MEETING, ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE UPDATE THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES IS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE SIXTH CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. SPEAKERS. SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS OF POLICY, A DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE HELD ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. EMER TO CALL MR. SMITH, TERRY SMITH. HE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE'S HERE OR MAYOR. OKAY. TERRY SMITH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? OKAY. WE'LL [5. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN FINAL DRAFT ] MOVE TO ITEM FIVE, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN. FINAL DRAFT. MR. MAGNER. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE'RE VERY EXCITED, UH, TO HAVE THE, UH, RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UH, LATER ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE ADOPTION OF AQUATICS MASTER PLAN, UH, IVAN FGO, OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC, UH, IS, UH, JOINED US TONIGHT REALLY, UM, TO PROVIDE JUST A SUMMARY AND A RECAP OF, UH, THE THREE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS PORTION OF THE PLAN BASED ON THE FEEDBACK. AND AT THE, UH, LAST MEETING, UH, THAT YOU, UH, CONSIDERED THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN, I WANT TO ASSURE THE COUNCIL THEY HAVE BEEN OTHER, UH, UH, CHANGES, UH, MOSTLY GRAMMATIC TYPOS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'VE CONTINUED TO REFINE, UH, THE, THE PLAN. BUT, UH, I WOULD LOVE FOR YVONNE TO GO AHEAD AND COVER, UM, C [00:05:01] ONE, TWO AND THREE OPTIONS, EXPLAIN HOW THEY DIFFER FROM WHAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY. AND THEN MAYOR, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE PLAN BEFORE YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, LATER ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ABAD. THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, AS DAWN SAID, WE'LL GO OVER THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THESE UPDATES WERE MADE BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION. SO WE'LL START WITH OPTION C ONE. YOU'LL NOTICE ON THIS OPTION, THE ONLY CHANGE FROM LAST TIME THAT YOU SAW IT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT CANYON CREEK, WE DO HAVE THE OPTION FOR A SPRAY GROUND OR A, UH, REFRESH CANYON CREEK POOL. SO OVERALL IN THIS OPTION, WE'VE GOT THE HEIGHTS AQUATIC CENTER THAT IS RECEIVING A REFRESH, A SPRAY GROUND AT COTTONWOOD, AT BRECKENRIDGE, AT GLENVILLE OR TERRACE, AND THEN AN OUTDOOR COMMUNITY POOL AT APOLLO. AND LIKE I SAID, CANYON CREEK WOULD EITHER BE A SPRAY GROUND OR A REFRESHED POOL. AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO OPTION C TWO, THIS OPTION IS, IS IDENTICAL TO C ONE, EXCEPT FOR, UH, PAULA ROAD BECOMES AN INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL. SO THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGE, UM, BESIDES FROM C ONE THAT WE HAD. AND NOW FOR C3, THIS WAS THE, THE OPTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN BOTH, UM, COUNCIL AND OUR PARKS COMMISSION. THIS EXPANDED IT SLIGHTLY WITH BRECKENRIDGE TO INCLUDE AN INDOOR, UM, POOL AT BRECKENRIDGE WITH A RECREATION CENTER. SO AN OVERVIEW OF THIS PLAN IS THE HEIGHTS FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER WOULD RECEIVE THE REFRESH. COTTONWOOD WOULD BECOME A SPRAY GROUND TERRACE WOULD BECOME A SPRAY GROUND. GLENVILLE WOULD BE A NEW POOL, A NEW OUTDOOR COMMUNITY POOL. CANYON CREEK WOULD BE A SPRAY GROUND OR A POOL. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INDOOR POOL AT BRECKENRIDGE WITH THE RECREATION CENTER. NOW, BECAUSE THIS STUDY WAS FOCUSED ON AQUATICS ONLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE RECREATION CENTER AT BRECKENRIDGE, WE UM, HAVE CAPITAL COSTS INCLUDED FOR A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT RECREATION CENTER. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE WHAT THAT DESIGN AND PROGRAMMING AMENITIES WOULD BE. SO THAT COST WILL FLUCTUATE SOME. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ANNUAL OPERATING COST, THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND THE OVERALL COST RECOVERY, THAT IS BASED STRICTLY ON THE AQUATICS AMENITIES, SO DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RECREATION CENTER. SO YOU'LL SEE THE, THE CAPITAL COST OF THAT IS, IS VARYING SOME BASED ON AN ADDITION OF THE RECREATION CENTER. AND THEN JUST AS A REMINDER, AS MR. MAGNER SAID, WE ARE SEEKING THE RESOLUTION ADOPTION TONIGHT ON CONSENT AGENDA. WE WILL CONTINUE, UM, TO FINALIZE OUR FUNDING STRATEGIES FOR THE HEIGHTS AQUATIC CENTER THROUGH FY 25 AND FY 26 WITH THE GOAL TO COMPLETE RENOVATIONS BEFORE THE SEASON OPENS IN 26. AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE OTHER FACILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE OPERATIONAL AND SAFE, UM, AND BASE THOSE NEEDS AND PRIORITY LEVELS FOR BOND CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE. SO ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL COUNSEL? WE'RE GOOD. LOOKS GOOD. MR. BARROWS? MAYOR, I JUST WANTED, UH, YVONNE, THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE OPERATING COST RECOVERY ON OPTION C ONE AND C TWO? UH, WHEN THERE'S A VARIABLE THERE? 'CAUSE USUALLY WHEN THERE'S VARIABLES, THERE'S, THAT'S PUT IN A OR, OR SOME KIND OF RATIO OR SOME SOMETHING THAT SHOWS COMPARED TO COST. DID THEY HAVE SIMILAR COSTS OR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, SO SPECIFICALLY AT CANYON CREEK? YES. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. WE WENT WITH THE HIGHER DOLLAR AMOUNT, UM, FOR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THE CANYON CREEK SPRAY GROUND. THAT TO IMPLEMENT THAT WAS 2.5 MILLION WHERE THE CANYON CREEK, UM, REFRESH, I BELIEVE WAS 1.8 MILLION. OKAY. UM, SO WE WENT WITH THE HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THAT, AND THEN WE WENT WITH THE HIGHER OPERATING COST, WHICH IS THE POOL. SO THAT'S HOW WE VARIED THAT. AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATING COST RECOVERY BETWEEN C ONE AND C TWO, THAT VARIANCE COMES BECAUSE ONE HAS AN OUTDOOR POOL, THE OTHER ONE HAS AN INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL. SO THE INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL IS A YEAR-ROUND OPERATION WITH HIGHER EXPENSES. PERFECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SEE YOU. NO MORE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS [6. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-24, AREQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 4.08-ACRES LOCATED AT 601 E.MAIN STREET, NORTH OF E. MAIN STREET, EAST OF GROVE ROAD, FROM R-1500-M RESIDENTIAL TEMP DISTRICT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WITH 38-UNITS. ] US TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER SIX, ZONING FILE 24 24. A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 4.08 ACRES LOCATED AT 6 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, OUR SENIOR PLANNER, DEREK PETERS, IS GOING TO, UH, LEAD THE [00:10:01] BRIEFING FOR THE CITY TONIGHT. BUT I DID WANNA JUST TAKE THE MOMENT TO INTRODUCE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE COMMUNITY. ANDREW BDA. ANDREW IS OUR NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UH, TODAY'S HIS FIRST DAY, AND SO HE WON'T BE PRESENTING. BUT, UH, ANDREW, WE'RE VERY, UH, PLEASED TO HAVE YOU JOIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON TEAM AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, MANY, UH, MORE BRIEFINGS WITH YOU AS, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. UM, UH, MAYOR. IN ADDITION TO, UH, DEREK'S PRESENTATION, I DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION PER SE, BUT THEY, UH, WILL MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SUBSEQUENT TO DEREK'S UH, PRESENTATIONS. DEREK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAGNER. MAYOR COUNSEL, THIS IS ZONING ZONING FILE 24 24. THE SUBJECT SIDE IS NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF MAIN STREET AND GROVE ROAD. THE CURRENT ZONING IS R 1500 TEMPORARY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONE TO A PD DEVELOPMENT FOR A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT WITH 38 UNITS. THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE TODAY. SO THIS WAS THE SITE, UH, THE FORMER SITE OF A CHURCH SINCE THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE 1960S THIS PAST YEAR, IT WAS DEMOLISHED. THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WITH THE GOAL OF REDEVELOPING. SO TODAY YOU SEE THAT VACANT PROPERTY WITH THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY AND, UM, NO TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. SO THERE IS LOOKING NORTH FROM EAST MAIN STREET AND LOOKING EAST FROM GROVE ROAD, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING CONCEPT PLAN WHERE THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS SIX BUILDINGS WITH A TOTAL OF 38 TOWN HOME UNITS. THEY'RE PROPOSING A NEW STREET CALLED VALENCIA DRIVE HERE THAT RUNS EAST TO WEST. SO THAT'LL BE SERVED BY A DRIVEWAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT STREET. THE TOWN HOME UNITS WILL FACE INWARD TOWARD THAT STREET WHERE THEIR FRONT DOORS WILL FACE TOWARDS THE STREET, AND THEY'LL BE SERVED BY AN ALLEY IN THE REAR WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE ACCESSIBLE BY THE REAR BY THAT ALLEY. ALSO, GUEST PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED, UH, AT A MINI, AT A MINIMUM RATE OF ONE PARKING SPOT PER UNIT. THERE WAS A TRIP GENERATION STUDY PROVIDED, AND IT FOUND THAT AN ADDITIONAL 18 TRIPS WILL BE GENERATED IN THE MORNING, AND AN ADDITIONAL 22 TRIPS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE GENERATED IN THE EVENING. SO BECAUSE OF THE MINIMAL TRAFFIC INCREASE, THERE WERE NO TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WARRANTED WITH THIS CASE. UH, HOWEVER, I'LL SHOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION. SO HERE'S A CLOSER LOOK AT THE, THE SCREEN OF THE CONCEPT PLAN TO GET, GET A BETTER VIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE SEVERAL TREES ON THE SITE. THERE'S SEVERAL MATURE OAK TREES. UH, WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN HERE IN THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING BUFFER OF THE SITE IN THE DARK GREEN ARE THE TREES THAT THEY AIM TO PRESERVE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. ALSO, THEY ARE PROVIDING SCREENING. I'LL GO OVER THAT, ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THEY'RE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY SCREENING WALL. AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF MAIN STREET, THE WATERFORD V WATERFORD VILLAS TOWN HOMES. AND THEN ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE ALONG TYLER STREET, THEY'RE PROPOSING A SIX FOOT TALL WROUGHT IRON STYLE FENCE WITH LANDSCAPE SCREENING AS IN SHRUBBERY ALONG THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. SO AS A WHOLE, THEY DO GENERALLY MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF A STANDARD TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, AN EXCEPTION FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR THOSE CORNER LOTS. CORNER LOTS ARE, THE SIDE YARD IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED TO BE 10 FOOT, HOWEVER, THEY'RE REQUESTING FIVE FEET. ALSO BUILDINGS. TYPICALLY FOR TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS, THE CODE WOULD LIMITS THEM TO SIX UNITS PER BUILDING. AND THAT IS SO THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THE ABILITY TO REACH ALL POINTS OF THE BUILDING, BOTH THE FRONT AND THE, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE SHOWN, UH, WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT. SOME OF THESE WILL HAVE SEVEN UNITS TO A STRUCTURE. BUT WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND WITH THE, UH, FIRE LANE THAT'S PROVIDED ALONG THE MIDDLE OF THIS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY WILL HAVE FIRE ACCESS. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE A, A PROBLEM FOR THEM. SOMETHING ELSE I'LL POINT OUT ARE THE DIFFERENCES. UM, ANOTHER DIFFERENCE HERE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, OR SHALL I I SHOULD SAY, THEY ARE EXCEEDING THE TYPICAL REQUIREMENT FOR A TOWN HOME ZONING DISTRICT. TOWN HOME ZONING DISTRICTS ARE TYPICALLY TWO STORIES OR 40 FEET TALL IF THEY ARE ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT. AND CURRENTLY THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING ALLOWS FOR A TWO STORY 40 FOOT TALL STRUCTURE. THEY'RE PROPOSING THESE TOWN HOME UNITS TO BE TWO STORIES TALL, 30 FEET TALL AT MAXIMUM. THEY'RE PROPOSING LARGER UNITS AND LARGER LOT SIZES TO, UH, ACCOUNT FOR THAT. [00:15:02] I'LL ALSO, UH, POINT OUT ON HERE THAT WHAT IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED OF TOWN HOMES IS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR A GUEST PER EVERY TWO UNITS. HERE, THEY'RE PROVIDING ONE PARKING SPACE PER GUEST FOR EVERY UNIT. AND THAT IS LOCATED ON THE INTERIOR STREET VALENCIA DRIVE. THEY DID PROVIDE THESE CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS OF THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SHOWING THE TYPE OF DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT WILL BE INCLUDED ON THE DESIGN. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS UPDATED THIS YEAR THROUGH THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, WHICH DESIGNATED THIS SITE AS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL. ALSO IN THAT PLAN, THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WAS DESIGNATED FOR THIS AREA AND THE HOUSING TYPES THAT WERE CONTEMPLATED TO BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PLACE. TYPE TO MEET THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING NEEDS IN THE CITY INCLUDE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BUNGALOW COURTS, DUPLEXES, AND TOWN HOMES. SO I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THESE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT I MAY HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED, BUT I'LL GO OVER THEM. SO RIGHT NOW IT IS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, A CHURCH, OR A PRIVATE SCHOOL IF ASSOCIATED WITH A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIOT. THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS 9.3 UNITS PER ACRE, AND WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD DENSITY IN OUR TOWN HOME. UH, THE SECTION OF OUR CODE FOR TOWN HOMES. UH, BUT THIS IS IN LINE WITH, IN, IN LESS THAN THE DENSITY THAT OTHER TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. I ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE 38 GUEST PARKING SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE TWO CARS, TWO CAR ENCLOSED GARAGE ON EACH UNIT. UM, ALSO AS A POINT THAT WAS MADE DURING THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING. ORIGINALLY, THE DEVELOPER IN THE CITY TALKED ABOUT HAVING A SIX FOOT TALL MA UH, WROUGHT IRON STYLE FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE SITE WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING. HOWEVER, AFTER, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK WAS RECEIVED AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, THEY ASKED THAT THE SCREENING WALL ALONG ALONG MAIN STREET IS A MASONRY INSTEAD. SO THAT STILL LEAVES A SIX FOOT TALL BROAD IRON STYLE SCREENING FENCE AROUND THE TYLER STREET SIDE. AS I MENTIONED, THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION, UH, THE TRIP IN GENERATION REPORT FOUND THAT THERE WAS NOT SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, SO NO TRAFFIC MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUESTED. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT DID DEDICATE, UH, THE ENTIRE EXTENT OF A RIGHT TURN LANE ALONG THE INTERSECTION OF GROVE AND MAIN FOR CARS THAT ARE GOING WESTBOUND, TURNING RIGHT RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NOT PLANS FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE AT THIS LOCATION. HOWEVER, THEY ARE DEDICATING RIGHT OF WAY IN THIS AREA, UH, FOR THERE TO BE THE, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT IS WARRANTED. UM, ADDITIONALLY, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL MEET THE, WILL NEED TO MEET THE TREE PROTECTION AND MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED THIS YEAR FOR TREE PROTECTION. AND THE CITY AND THE CITY HAS FOUND THERE ARE SUFFICIENT, THERE IS SUFFICIENT UTILITY CAPACITY IN THIS AREA TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. WE HAD SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND OPPOSITION AT THAT TIME, AND AGAIN, THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CHANGE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT THE MASONRY WALL ALONG MAIN STREET WAS REQUIRED. UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS, I BELIEVE WE RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL TO TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL BE SPEAKING TONIGHT, BUT THERE WERE TWO, UH, SUBMITTED IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. BARRIOS? THANK YOU MAYOR DEREK. MS. PETERS, UM, I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE OH, WHERE YOU HAVE THE CHART THAT SHOWS CURRENT ZONING VERSUS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT KIND OF POP OUT AT ME, LIKE I'M LOOKING AT MAX LOT COVERAGE. CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS 30, THEY'RE PROPOSING 75%, UH, MINIMUM LOT DEF 1 25, THEY'RE PROPOSING 90. LIKE THERE, THERE'S SOME BIG JUMPS IN NUMBERS. IS THIS PRETTY STANDARD WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING? I DON'T REMEMBER THESE NUMBERS AND HOW THEY COMPARE TO OTHER THINGS WE'VE SEEN. I WOULD SAY THEY'RE, IT SEEMS LIKE A BIG JUMP. UH, WE, WE TRY, WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ROW IN THE MIDDLE OR THE COLUMN IN THE MIDDLE TAKING A LOOK. THAT'S THE STANDARD TOWNHOME ZONING FOUND IN THE CODE. SO THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE BASE OUR OKAY. COMPARISONS ON FOR THESE LAST FEW THAT HAVE COME THROUGH. AND THIS IS GENERALLY IN LINE WITH THOSE THAT HAVE COME THROUGH. SO, SO MOST OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN COME THROUGH ARE ASKING FOR EX HAVE ASKED FOR EXEMPTION WITHIN THOSE AREAS [00:20:01] ON TOP OF WHAT ALREADY USED. LIKE THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD TO RIGHT? YEAH. UM, ONE THAT CAME THROUGH EARLIER THIS YEAR. I THINK THE LAST TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME THROUGH WAS THREE STORIES, UH, WITH SIMILAR LOT LAYOUTS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE, THEY ARE PROPOSING A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE OF 2000 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE BASE 1300 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN TOWN HOMES. OKAY. COUNCILMAN CORCORAN. HEY, THANK YOU. UM, REAL, REAL QUICK. WHEN I WAS DOING THE READING FOR THIS, I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE 0.5 GUEST SPACES A UNIT, RIGHT? DID I, I'M SORRY. DID I MISS THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED. OKAY. UM, TO, TO CORRECTLY SAY THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE PER UNIT. OKAY. SO THEY, WHEN WAS THAT, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHEN THAT WAS DONE? WAS THAT DONE AS A RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AFTER A CPC MEETING? NO, THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S REALLY BEEN AN OPTION SINCE THE BEGINNING. AND THAT'S BASED ON WHERE THAT STREET IS LOCATED THROUGH THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE ALLOWS THERE TO BE OFF STREET PARKING AND IT, IT'S, IT WON'T BE ON STREET PARKING. THE PARKING WILL NOT BE IN THE FIRE LANE. IT'LL BE IN PRIVATE LOTS ADJACENT TO EACH HOME. OKAY. SO WITH THAT LAYOUT, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THAT PARKING IN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD ANYTHING OR COUNSEL. YOU COULD ALSO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT IF IF NEEDED AS WELL. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M JIM DEWEY WITH JDJR ENGINEERS, 2,500 TEXAS DRIVE, SUITE 100, IRVING, TEXAS 7 5 0 6 2. I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANT TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY AS SHOWN WITH TOWNHOUSES. UM, I WANNA GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF HISTORY OF KIND OF WHERE WE'VE COME ON THIS CASE. WE MET WITH THE CITY BACK IN THE SUMMER AND STARTED THIS PROCESS. AND THIS PARTICULAR OWNER, DEVELOPER, THEY'VE DONE MANY TOWNHOUSES BEFORE AND BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT IT. UH, MOST OF THEIR TOWNHOUSES ARE ACTUALLY FRONT ENTRY, UM, NOT REAR ENTRY BUT AN ALLEY. WE SUBMITTED A PLAN TO START OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY BEING A FRONT ENTRY PRODUCT AND, UH, SAM CHAVEZ AT THE TIME AND DE WAS THERE. UM, BUT THIS WASN'T A PLAN THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THEM. AND SO WE SPENT SOME TIME, UH, WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND I THINK IN THE END WE'VE COME UP WITH, I THINK THE VERY BEST PLAN THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED ON THIS PROPERTY. AND MANY OF THE IDEAS I HAVE TO GIVE THE CITY STAFF CREDIT FOR. UH, SO WE TURNED IT INSIDE. IT'S WHAT I CALL AN ENCLAVE DEVELOPMENT. EVERYTHING HAPPENS INSIDE, ALL THE TRAFFIC GOES INSIDE. THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING AS FAR AS GARAGE. I MEAN, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, ON THE OUTSIDE WE DO HAVE ALLEYS INTERIOR THAT PROVIDE REAR ACCESS TO EVERY UNIT. THAT TENDS TO, MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT THAT PROMOTES A MUCH MORE AESTHETIC FRONT FACADE. NO GARAGE DOORS. I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. AND SO THESE WILL BE THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT BECAUSE OF THE, YOU HAVE THE COST OF THE STREET. IN ADDITION, YOU HAVE THE COST OF THE ALLEY. SO THESE UNITS TEND TO BE A LITTLE HIGHER PRODUCT AND WE INTEND THOSE TO BE, UH, WE'VE AGREED, UH, 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 1300. WE THINK THAT WILL ENSURE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I THINK THIS COUNCIL MAY BE LOOKING FOR. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO GO INTO A COUPLE OF, A LITTLE OF PARTICULARS. THE STAFF REPORT IS VERY THOROUGH. I DON'T WANT TO REGURGITATE MUCH OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER THE DIFFERENCES IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT'S REQUIRED IN A TYPICAL TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE IS 1300. WE WOULD LIKE, WE ARE AGREEING TO 2000, UH, TWO STORIES 40 FEET. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE 40 FEET BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL, TYLER STREET, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST, THOSE HOUSES ARE NOT THAT TALL. MOST OF 'EM ARE ONE STORY. SO WE JUST FELT LIKE BRINGING THAT HEIGHT DOWN WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE KIND OF WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IS 1750. WE'RE ACTUALLY AT 2300. YOUR TABLE SAYS 2,500. THAT HAPPENED JUST THIS LAST WEEK. LAST WEEK WE WERE ASKED TO DO THE ADDITIONAL DEDICATION ALONG MAIN STREET FOR A FUTURE RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO GROVE FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC. THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE STAFF. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL LAST WEEK. UM, SO WE INCORPORATED THAT IN, BUT IT DID REDUCE, IF YOU SEE THERE'S A [00:25:01] SIX UNIT BUILDING NEAREST THAT CORNER OF THAT INTERSECTION. THOSE LOTS GOT 10 FOOT SHALLOWER AND RESULTED IN US HAVING, WE NEED 2300 MINIMUM, BUT IT'S ONLY FOR THOSE SIX LOTS. AND THAT HAPPENED JUST AT THE LAST, KIND OF THE LAST MINUTE. UH, YOUR STANDARD DOES REQUIRE SIX UNITS PER BUILDING AS A MAXIMUM. THAT'S A SAFETY FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON YOUR LAYOUT AND A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. UH, WE HAVE FOUR, SIX UNIT BUILDINGS, TWO SEVEN UNIT BUILDINGS, BUT THE SEVEN UNIT BUILDINGS ARE IN THE MIDDLE. WE HAVE 10 FOOT BETWEEN UNITS. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE ACCESS AND THE SERVICES THEY CAN PROVIDE AROUND THAT BUILDING. SO THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE A, A LARGE ISSUE. THE LOT WIDTH IS AT THE MINIMUM, THE LOT DEPTH. MOST OF OUR LOT DEPTHS ARE WELL OVER A HUNDRED. UM, THOSE ONES, THEY'RE A LOT SIX, A LITTLE BELOW A HUNDRED. BUT ON THE 92 THERE'S SOME ON THE CORNERS WHERE I THINK THE AVERAGE IS HIGHER THAN THAT. BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ADJUST THIS PLAN LATER. 92 IS ON THE SAFE SIDE. UM, THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE AT 75%, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE TO NEED THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD. I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE THERE BECAUSE WE ARE AGREEING TO HAVING A 20 A SETBACK FROM THE ALLEY TO ENSURE THAT EVERY RESIDENCE ALSO NOT ONLY HAS THE TWO CARS INSIDE THE GARAGE, BUT TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. WE FEEL LIKE THAT KEEPS A LOT OF THE STREET PARKING OFF THE FRONT OF THE PROJECT. IT WILL END UP BEING A NICER, A NICER PROJECT. UM, THE MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK WE'VE AGREED TO AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET, A MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. MOST TOWNHOUSES HAVE THE FIVE YARD. WE HAVE 10 10 BETWEEN BUILDINGS, BUT FIVE FIVE FROM THE LOT LINE. AND THEN THE PARKING NORMALLY REQUIRED IS HALF A SPACE PER UNIT OR ONE PER TWO UNITS. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE, UH, THE ONE SPACE PER UNIT AND WE'VE HAD THAT IN THERE FROM DAY ONE. UH, WE JUST FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE TOO MUCH PARKING FOR GUESTS, ESPECIALLY FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS. SO EACH UNIT BASICALLY HAS TWO IN THE GARAGE, TWO IN THE DRIVEWAY, AND ONE IN FRONT. UM, SO PARKING REALLY SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO GO OVER REAL QUICK IS WE, UM, ASKED FOR A FEW POSTPONEMENTS IN ORDER TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THERE. THEY'RE NOT HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS BUT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. AND IT TOOK US A LITTLE OVER TWO MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO ARRANGE THAT MEETING. WE HAD A NICE MEETING AND IT WAS ONE OF THEIR NORMAL KIND OF ANNUAL MEETINGS. IT WAS HELD AT A RESTAURANT WITH A BAR AND IT WAS VERY, ACTUALLY, IT WAS VERY KIND OF LOUD IN THERE. IT REALLY WASN'T THE BEST ATMOSPHERE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION. WE DID THE BEST WE COULD. UH, WE COULDN'T REALLY TALK TO EVERYBODY, BUT I WAS ABLE, THERE WAS TWO OF US THERE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT. I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO ABOUT 16 PEOPLE AND THE OTHER PERSON ABOUT THE SAME, PROBABLY MAYBE A LITTLE FEWER. AND WE GOT REALLY A VERY VARIED RESPONSE. SOME PEOPLE LIKED IT, SOME THOUGHT IT WAS TOO DENSE, A LOT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES. THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WHETHER THEY SHOULD FACE THE STREETS AND THE, AND BE KIND OF A FLIP OF THIS DESIGN. WE EXPLAINED, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND, AND CAME UP WITH THIS DESIGN, WHICH WE FEEL IS IN BEST INTEREST OF BOTH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO WE REALLY DIDN'T GET A REAL STRONG INDICATION OF WHAT NECESSARILY THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. UM, AND OF COURSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOME CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC AND DENSITY. UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY, WE'VE ALREADY SHOWN THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT TRYING TO MAX OUT THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WITH OUR LOT AREAS, THEY'RE SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THE MINIMUMS. WE'RE TRYING TO DO A REALLY NICE PRODUCT THAT WILL BE A NICE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, IN TERMS OF THE TREES, AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS. I SENT DEREK SOME EXHIBITS, BUT I DIDN'T DON'T THINK I GOT 'EM TO, OR TILL FRIDAY OR YESTERDAY. TODAY, I'M NOT REALLY SURE. I BROUGHT SOME EXHIBITS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HAND THEM OUT TO THE COUNCIL. UM, THERE'S TWO PAGES. THEY'RE STAPLED TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW IF I BROUGHT ENOUGH. I BROUGHT 10 . AND WHILE SHE'S [00:30:01] PASSING THEM OUT, UNFORTUNATELY MANY DEVELOPERS THINK TREES CAUSE AN EXTRA EXPENSE OR DEVELOPMENT PROBLEM. AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT. WE WOULD LIKE TO SAVE EVERY TREE WE CAN. UM, THE SITE'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. ALL OF THE TREES ON THIS SIDE ARE NICE, MATURE TREES. AND SO EVEN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE SAVING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE TREES. AND SO THIS FIRST EXHIBIT, AND I GUESS THERE WAS QUITE ENOUGH, I DON'T, IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN SHOW THIS SHOW? THIS ONE SHOWS THE DARK GREEN. OKAY. THE ONES THAT YOU AIN'T TO SAVE THE EXHIBIT I JUST PASSED OUT SHOWS IN GREEN. THE TREES THAT WE, WE, WE BELIEVE WILL BE ABLE TO SAVE, YOU KNOW, GRADING WHEN YOU DO A SUBDIVISION OR NEW DEVELOPMENT CHANGE IN GRADE CAN REALLY AFFECT TREES AS WELL. AND WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE DRAINAGE REGULATIONS FOR THE CITY AND STORM DRAIN REGULATIONS. SO, BUT WE FEEL ALL OF THESE TREES SHOWN IN GREEN WILL BE SAVED. PART OF THAT BIG REASON FOR THAT IS THE STAFF ENCOURAGED US TO INCORPORATE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER, WHICH REALLY HELPED IN DOING THAT. SO ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE'RE A LITTLE EVEN MORE DENSE THAN WE COULD BE IS WE'RE GIVING 10 FEET NOT ONLY IN ADDITION TO THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, BUT WE HAVE A 10 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. AND IN THAT BUFFER, WE'RE ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES. WE'RE GONNA DO A SCREENING DEVICES, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO AGREEING TO PLANT SHRUBS IN FRONT OF THE FENCE AS WELL. THE TREES IN RED ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO GO NOW. I WOULDN'T SAY WE'RE QUITE HALFWAY THERE, BUT WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SAVING THEM. AND THESE SYMBOLS ON HERE ARE SCALED TO FIT THE CANOPY OF THE TREE BASED ON GOOGLE AERIAL. SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE AS TO THE SIZE OF THE CANOPY, NOT NECESSARILY THE SIZE OF THE TRUNK, BUT THE SIZE OF THE CANOPIES. AND THEN THE SECOND PICTURE, YOU SEE, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE SEVERAL TREES THAT HAVE TO COME OUT. A SECOND EXHIBIT INCLUDES ALL THE SHADE TREES THAT WE'RE WILLING OR GOING TO PLANT BACK AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND TO HELP MITIGATE THE LOSS OF THOSE TREES. THE DEVELOPER HAS SINCE, SINCE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AGREED TO, AND WE CAN STIPULATE THIS IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WILL AGREE TO PLANT THOSE DISSOLVE SIX INCH TREES SO THAT THEY'LL GET A REALLY GOOD JUMP AND BE SIZABLE MUCH QUICKER THAN THE TWO OR THREE INCH TREES. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT EXHIBIT SHOWING THE EXISTING TREES WITH THE NEW TREES, AND I DREW, WHAT ABOUT SIX INCH TREE WOULD BE, IT'S, IT'S A NICE TREE, BUT CERTAINLY NOT AS BIG AS THESE OTHER TREES. BUT IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL ORNAMENTAL TREES, I THINK IN THE FRONT YARDS AND SOME OTHER TREES WHEN THEY BUILD THE UNITS. BUT AS FAR AS THE SHADE TREES AND US TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD EFFORT AT REPLACING THE NICE TREES THAT ARE HAVING TO GO IS ON THIS EXHIBIT. THEN THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE SCREENING FENCE. WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT PROBABLY MASONRY AROUND THE WHOLE THING WAS MAYBE THE WAY TO GO. THE CITY STAFF ACTUALLY WANTED US TO NOT DO MASONRY AND DO THE WR IRON FENCE WITH BRICK COLUMNS, TREES IN FRONT AND SCREENING SHRUBS THAT WOULD GET TO THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE. COST WISE, THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME. WE HAVE NO PREFERENCE WHETHER WE DO MASONRY OR THE BROAD IRON WITH THE MASONRY COLUMNS AND THE TREES. ONE PARTICULAR P AND Z MEMBER THOUGHT THAT WE NEEDED TO DO MASONRY ALONG THE FRONT TO KIND OF MATCH WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. AND I, THERE WAS SOME PHOTOS EARLIER OF WHAT THAT FENCE LOOKED LIKE. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY IN THE END WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST. SO WE WOULD ENTERTAIN YOUR PREFERENCE MAYBE IF YOU HAVE SOME PREFERENCE. UM, WE'RE WILLING TO DO EITHER OR. UM, [00:35:03] MASON WALLS DO REFLECT MORE NOISE. VEGETATION IS ONE OF THE VERY BEST NOISES. ABSORPTION MITIGATION THINGS. SO WITH THE TREES AND THEN SHRUBS THAT WILL GET TO SIX FEET TALL. THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE NOISE ATTENUATION WITH THAT TYPE OF FENCE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT. UH, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH COST DIFFERENCE. I THINK EITHER ONE WOULD REALLY LOOK NICE AND BE EFFECTIVE SCREENING. SO, UH, I BELIEVE DEREK INDICATED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HAD BEEN CHANGED IN ACCORDANCE TO THE ONE P AND Z MEMBERS' DESIRE TO HAVE MASONRY ALONG THE MAIN STREET. BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, WE ACTUALLY THINK KEEPING IT ALL MAYBE THE SAME MIGHT BE BETTER. UM, AND THE STAFF REALLY PREFERRED THE WROUGHT IRON BRICK COLUMNS AND LIVING SCREEN. SO WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF THIS REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. DORIA. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. MR. DOOLEY. MM-HMM . DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY? DEWEY. DEWEY. THANK YOU. I, UH, WANTED TO, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS MM-HMM . AND I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS SOME PROS AND CONS. UM, THAT'S COME FROM THE HOA MM-HMM . OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ONE. THE IMAGE THAT YOU PROVIDED, IS THAT AN ACTUAL 3D SCHEMATIC OR IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OF THE FRONT FACADE? YES. THE ONE ON PAGE, WELL, THERE ARE NO PAGES ON HERE, BUT I'LL SAY PAGE NINE. SLIDE NINE IS, IS THAT THE, IS THAT ACTUALLY THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE USED? AND IS THAT, IS, IS THIS A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE BUILDING? I HAD, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS LAST WEEK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WE OBTAINED THAT BUILDING ELEVATION WITH THEIR PERMISSION FROM THEIR ARCHITECT. AND THEY DID SAY THAT, I MEAN, IT'S INTENDED THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. NOW, THE BRICK COLOR MAY NOT BE THE SAME. UM, THEY ARE INTENDING TO DO ALL BRICK STONE TYPE, FRONT FACADE, NO OTHER MATERIALS, 100% MASONRY FRONT. BUT THE ACTUAL DESIGN IS CONCEPTUAL. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. THAT IS OUR, AS IT'S REPRESENTED HERE IN THE SLIDE, YES. OKAY. UM, I WANNA ALSO, UH, SAY THAT I, I, I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE KEEPING THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ALMOST 50% APPROXIMATELY, UH, MAYBE AROUND 48. MM-HMM . 50%, UH, SOME OF THE TREE LINE AROUND TYLER STREET GROVE AND MAIN STREET. SO THAT I, UH, ALWAYS SUPPORT SUSTAINABILITY IN KEEPING THE LANDSCAPING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, MY COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE, WHAT IS THE, THE DISTANCE, HOW MUCH ACTUAL COMMON AREA OR PROPERTY OR IS IN THE FRONT OF EACH TOWN HOME? I KNOW YOU HAVE A 22 FOOT SETBACK, UH, FROM THE BUILDING LINE, BUT HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY THERE? IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL FROM THE DRAWING. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE ON THE VALENCIA DRIVE SITE? NO, IT WOULD BE ON THE, I'M ASSUMING THE MAIN STREET AND THE TYLER MM-HMM . ARE WHERE THE FRONT ENTRIES ARE NOT, NOT THE DRIVE-IN, BUT THE RIGHT. OH, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE BACKSIDE HERE. YEAH. THE STREET ENTRANCES WILL BE OFF TYLER ON THE EAST AND GROVE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN ENTER THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THOSE, THE, THAT THE ARCHITECTURE WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE CONCEPTUAL IS GONNA BE ON THE INTERIOR OF A VALENCIA? YES. OKAY. THAT WAS GONNA BE, I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE SIMILAR BRICK AND SIMILAR ARCHITECTURE ON, ON BOTH SIDES, ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING. BUT ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. MM-HMM . AND WITH A 25 FOOT UNIT, YOU KNOW, A 16 FOOT DOOR, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FACADE LEFT. UM, BUT I MEAN, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN STILL DO A VERY NICE JOB IN INCORPORATING THAT OVERALL ARCHITECTURAL YEAH. DESIGN. OKAY. UH, WELL THAT ANSWERED MY NEXT QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE, WHEN WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED OUR VERY FIRST PLAN, WE HAD THE UNITS FACING TYLER STREET AND THE UNIT'S FACING MAIN STREET AND ALLEY IN THE BACK. I, I PERSONALLY, THAT'S [00:40:01] MY PREFERENCE 'CAUSE WELL, I THINK WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS WITHOUT JUST GOING INTO THE GREAT DETAILS HERE, I, I WAS ENVISIONING THE MAIN STREET AND TYLER AS THE FRONT DOORS AND THE ALLEY. WELL, I ORIGINALLY AGREED WITH YOU , THAT'S WHY I SUBMITTED IT THAT WAY. BUT AFTER MEETING WITH THE STAFF AND LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK THE BIG ADVANTAGE TO THIS PLAN, QUITE FRANKLY, IS THE LITTLE IMPACT IT HAS TO THE NEIGHBORS ON TYLER. OKAY, WELL YOU'RE PUTTING A SCREENING WALL THERE PROPOSING TO PUT A SCREENING WALL, RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY GUEST PARKING OVER THERE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY PARKING INTERFERENCE. UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN OF THE STAFF AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, A NEW PRODUCT INTO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE, THEN THE FRONTS ACTUALLY FACING MAIN STREET THAT THERE WAS THIS NO GUEST PARKING. WE LOOKED AT DOING A LITTLE SLIP DRIVE ALONG MAIN STREET. I THINK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN SOME OF YOUR OTHER NICE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU PULL OFF. BUT IT JUST, TRAFFIC ESPECIALLY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY OFF OF MAIN STREET. OKAY? MM-HMM . AND SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S RESULTED IN THIS DESIGN. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE FACTORS, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS ONE I THINK FITS THE BEST, THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDINGS. AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT MAIN STREET'S GOING TO HAVE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND THEN THERE THE PERIMETER ON GROVE AND TYLER ARE GOING TO HAVE A BRICK OR, UH, A SCREENING. WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER KIND OF FENCE IT CAN BE THE BRICK COLUMNS WROUGHT IRON AND LANDSCAPING, OR IT COULD BE A MASONRY WALL. OKAY. WHAT DOES THE BACKSIDE LOOK LIKE? IT, SO, SO JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE. IT'S THE SOUTH SCREEN WALL WOULD BE THE MASONRY, THE NORTH SCREEN, THE NORTH SCREEN WALL ALONG TYLER WOULD BE THE RIGHT ARM WITH THE YES. THANK YOU. I KNEW THAT I, THAT WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE PNZ MM-HMM . AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. AND THAT ALSO CAME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? CORRECT. YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD VARYING, SOME LIKED A BRICK WALL, SOME THOUGHT IT WAS TOO STRUCTURAL. SOME LIKED THE, WHERE THE LANDSCAPE LOOKED. SO WE DIDN'T GET A REAL STRONG PREFERENCE EITHER WAY. IN THAT MEETING WE HAD, WHAT WILL YOU SEE FROM MAIN STREET AND TYLER STREET, UH, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, I MEAN, I'M SEEING THE FRONT VIEW, UH, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE INTERIOR, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR MAIN DRIVE. BUT WHAT, LOOKING FOR THE MAIN STREET YOU'RE GONNA SEE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE TOP STORY, ONLY THE SCREENING DEVICE, WHETHER IT'S THE WROUGHT IRON BRICK COLUMN AND LANDSCAPING OR, OR A MASONRY WALL ON ANY SIDE. THERE'S GONNA SCREEN THE GARAGE DOORS THAT, UH, LET, UM, UH, DEREK GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, UH, OF THE PROP OF THE PROPERTY TO THE, THAT. SO COUNCILMAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT YOU, OKAY, SO, OKAY. THAT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST A REPRESENTATION OF SOMETHING. ANOTHER, THE, THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A REAR GARAGE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A REAR GARAGE DOOR, HAVE A REAR GARAGE ON THE, THERE'S A LITTLE ON THE FIRST STORY, BUT RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S A SIX FOOT WALL, JUST LIKE IT WAS PROPOSED. AND IT'S A TWO STORY, APPROXIMATELY THE SAME. BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, THOSE UNITS ARE SETTING UP QUITE A BIT FROM THE STREET. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE OURS BEING SET QUITE THAT HIGH. SO WE HOPE THE DOORS WILL BE LESS VISIBLE. PLUS THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SCREENING SHRUBS, TREES, OR ANYTHING. YOU HAVE A BRICK WALL RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LOT. OUR SCREENING DEVICE IS GONNA BE SET BACK 10 FEET. WE'RE MAINTAINING A LOT OF THOSE REALLY NICE BIG TREES. AND WHERE WE NOT MAINTAINING THEM AROUND THE PROPERTY, WE'RE PUTTING, AGREEING TO PUT IN SIX INCH NEW LIVE OAKS. MOST OF THOSE ARE ALL LIVE OAKS. WE WANNA MATCH 'EM. THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL TREES. AND SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A VERY DIFFERENT LOOK THAN THIS. UM, SO DECISION WAS MADE TO FLIP FLOP THEM INSTEAD OF HAVING THE, THE ENTRY OR THE, THE FRONT ENTRY ON TYLER MM-HMM . AND MAIN, NOW WE JUST HAVE IT DOWN THE STAIRS. SO THE BACKSIDE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE BACKSIDE WAS GONNA LOOK, DRIVING DOWN MAIN STREET AND TYLER STREET. IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE THE MOST ATTRACTIVE SIDE OR IS THE INTERIOR OF VALENCIA DRIVE OBVIOUSLY IS GONNA BE THE MOST ATTRACTIVE SIDE OF THE BUILDING? I CANNOT, I'M JUST ADDRESSING THIS FROM OTHER, USING WHAT'S BEEN, I CANNOT STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU THAT THE BACKSIDE WILL BE AS ATTRACTIVE AS THE FRONT SIDE. YES. OKAY. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU, WE CAN ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO WHAT THEY CAN. I DO THINK KEEPING THE TREES, PLANTING THE NEW TREES, EITHER WAY WE GO WITH THE SCREENING DEVICES IS GONNA BE A BIG, BIG [00:45:01] DIFFERENCE COMPARED TO THIS, THAT FENCE. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO MATCH IT. I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT'S, THAT FENCE RIGHT THERE GOES WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM . NOW IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, BUT IT'S NOT THE WAY THE FENCES LOOK NECESSARILY CONTINUOUS ALONG MAIN STREET. OKAY. IF WE DO A MASONRY WALL, WE WOULD PREFER NOT DO THE THIN BRICK WALL, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO. OKAY. THIS DEVELOPER USES THE FIVE INCH THICK PRECAST CONCRETE PANELS THAT LOOK LIKE STONE. THEY'RE VERY, VERY, THEY LITERALLY LOOK GOOD. AND THEY'RE THERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD USE. WELL, AND, AND, AND, AND SOME OF THESE POINTS THAT IF WE COULD ANSWERED SEVERAL OF MY QUESTIONS ON, ON THE, UH, ON HOW THE FACADE LOOKS. AND, AND I HAVE TO AGREE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SOLID SCREENING WALL WOULD BE BEST ON THE BACKSIDE FOR TYLER. JUST BECAUSE THE FACT IS IS I ORIGINALLY, I THOUGHT THAT THOSE WERE THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND I, I THOUGHT, WELL, WHY ARE WE HIDING THE, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, ON THE ENTRY FEATURES ON TYLER AND GROVE MM-HMM . UM, ARE WE JUST PLANNING, IS THERE ANY LIKE SMALL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD LITTLE KIOSK OR, OR SIGNAGE WHEN YOU ENTER INTO THAT? WE'LL CALL IT THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES. IF YOU LOOK ON THE EXHIBIT, I KNOW THESE EXHIBITS ARE HARD TO SEE. THERE'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET, BUT IN BOTH WE HAVE POINT FOR EVERYONE. WE HAVE PANELS THAT ARE AT 45 DEGREES SO THAT THERE CAN BE SIGNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THOSE PANELS, WHETHER THEY'RE MASONRY, IF THEY'RE WROUGHT IRON, THEY'LL BE METAL OR SOMETHING VERY ATTRACTIVE. THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, A NICE PLACE. SO THERE WILL BE SOME ENTRY FEATURES ON BOTH ENDS. OKAY. YEAH. AND I CAN SEE THAT. I KNOW THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL MM-HMM . AND I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DESIGN, I'M JUST WANTING TO GET A, I I'M BASICALLY SAYING THIS OUT LOUD SO EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. UM, AND THEN ALSO TOO, I JUST DID WANNA ADDRESS A FEW THINGS THAT CAME IN FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MM-HMM . JUST, AND GET YOUR COMMENT FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR. UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE STATED THAT, UM, THERE'S SEVEN BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF SIX UNITS. AND THIS ALSO LOOKS LIKE IF SOMEONE WERE TRYING TO DOWNSIZE, ESPECIALLY FOR SENIOR CITIZENS, WOULD THIS BE, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TYPE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? OR WHAT DO YOU FORESEE THESE TOWN HOMES? WHO DO YOU SEE THESE TOWN HOMES BEING SOLD TO? THEY'RE VERY POPULAR ALONG YOUNG WORKING FAMILIES OR YOUNG WORKING COUPLES. EVEN WITH ONE OR TWO CHILDREN. THEY'RE ALSO VERY POPULAR WITH PEOPLE LOOKING FOR LESS EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE. AND THEY'RE POPULAR FOR SOME EMPTY NESTERS. BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE WITH THESE KIND OF, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE A MASTER DOWNSTAIRS ON THESE UNITS. SO, UM, BUT THEY'RE A VERY POPULAR PRODUCT COMPARED TO NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS. IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME WHAT'S HAPPENED IN A LOT OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE HAD THE, BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WORK ON THAT PEOPLE IN THE NEAR AREA WILL MOVE IN THERE. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE LIVED IN AN OLDER HOME WITH A BIG YARD AND THEY'RE READY FOR A CHANGE. AND THIS IS JUST A, IT'S A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE. UM, I APPRECIATE YOU THAT I ACTUALLY LIVE IN A TOWNHOUSE, SO I, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE MORE PERSONALLY ABOUT IT. NOW, THE REASON I LIVE A TOWNHOUSE IS MAYBE NOT, IT'S NOT MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE. LET'S SAY WHEN I'M IN TOWN. I HAVE A VERY SMALL TOWN TOWNHOUSE, NOTHING, NOT AS NICE AS THESE ACTUALLY . UH, AND THEN I HAVE A RESIDENCE OUTSIDE OF TOWN THAT'S BASICALLY MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE. BUT, AND I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOWNHOUSES FOR THAT TYPE OF USE AS WELL. UM, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR CLARIFICATION ON THAT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS STATED OUT LOUD. MM-HMM . I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE PROS AND CONS ON THAT. SO THANK YOU. MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS LATER, BUT I'LL LET SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MAYOR? YES. UH, IF I COULD JUST BEFORE WE PROCEED, I, I JUST WANTED TO, SO, SO SOME REFERENCE HAS BEEN MADE AND RIGHTLY SO TO AN ORIGINAL, UM, OR ACTUALLY SEVERAL DIFFERENT VARIATIONS ON THIS ORIGINALLY. SO LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT. I THINK, UM, I'LL CHANNEL DO MY BEST CHANNELING OF SAM CHAVEZ AND HIS TEAM AND DE WHO IS IN THOSE MEETINGS CAN, CAN, UM, ADD TO IT. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO KIND OF KNOW, UM, THE, THE LAST VERSION THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN THAT HAD THE, UM, FRONT OF THE, THE FRONT ELEVATIONS FACING TYLER AND, UM, AND MAIN STREET INCLUDED MUSE STREETS ON BOTH. BECAUSE AGAIN, AS, AS SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THESE, [00:50:01] THIS, THIS PRODUCT FACE BELT LINE AND TRYING TO GET DRIVES OFF A BELT LINE, JUST NOT POSSIBLE. RIGHT? SO THE ONLY TREATMENT WAS A MEUSE STREET, UM, ON, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THAT THE, THE NORTH SIDE WAS MATCHED. UM, TAKE TYLER FOR INSTANCE, IN THAT CASE. SO THE MUSE STREET HAD PARALLEL PARKING ON THE MUSE STREET. NOW, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO LEGALLY PREVENT ANYONE FROM PARKING ON TYLER STREET AS WELL. IT'S A PUBLIC STREET. AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE PARKED LEGALLY LAKE AND THEY CAN DO THAT. SO YOU HAD THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE TWO ROWS OF CARS PARKED ON TYLER STREET DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE HOME, FROM, FROM THE EXISTING HOMES ON TYLER STREET ITSELF. AND THEN ON THE MU STREET PUBLIC, UH, THE PARALLEL PARKING ON MU STREET. AND SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, HOW TO, HOW TO, TO, UM, GET THE, THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME FOR, FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED, UM, WE FELT THAT AN AMENITIZED, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT WAS ORIGINALLY, I THINK PROPOSED ON THE NORTH TO BE SOFT. THE ROD IRON FANS WITH LANDSCAPING THAT COULD KIND OF CREATE A GREEN SCREEN, IF YOU WILL MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING, UM, LARGE TREES AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE SUPERIOR TO HAVING THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE, 'CAUSE IT'D BE ABOUT 18 CARS PARALLEL PARKED. AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE HAD PARTIES OR IF THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO USE THEIR GARAGES, FOR INSTANCE, 'CAUSE THEY HAD STORAGE IN IT, THEY COULD ALSO PARK ON TYLER STREET. AND YOU COULD HAVE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, QUITE A NUMBER OF VEHICLES PARKED NOW DIRECTLY ACROSS AND RECALL. UM, A LOT OF THOSE UNITS, IF NOT ALL OF 'EM, ARE FRONT ENTRY DRIVE. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BACK UP. AND SO THAT WAS THE IDEA FOR, FOR WHY THIS WAS SUPERIOR ON THE TYLER SIDE. ON, ON THE BELTLINE SIDE, IT SIMPLY WAS JUST A TRAFFIC SITUATION. THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD HAVE ALLOWED THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT AUSE STREET ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC SIDE. SO JUST DECA, IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING, PLEASE DO, BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AS TO WHY WE KIND OF LED THE DEVELOPER IN THIS DIRECTION VERSUS, UM, MAYBE THE, THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE INQUIRING AS ABOUT DECA. DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? I MEAN, YOU WERE IN THOSE MEETINGS WITH SAM. YEAH, I DID. I TRIED MY HAND AT SOME OF THE CONFIGURATION ON HERE. UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, CHALLENGES WE HAD WAS FOR FIRE COVERAGE. SO WITH THE LAYOUT WE HAVE HERE, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. OKAY, MR. HUTCHIN RIDER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ONE QUESTION, AND I KNOW ONE CONCERN IS STILL, UM, ABOUT, I'M GONNA SAY OUT OF, EXCUSE ME, OUT OF DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT PARKING. SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHETHER IT'S THE SIX FOOT WROUGHT IRON STYLE FENCE OR THE SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE WILL THAT ACTUALLY BE? AND, AND IT'S GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE EXCEPT FOR ACROSS THE TWO STREET ENTRANCES. OKAY. IT'S GONNA START JUST ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET AND GO ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND SAME WAY AROUND THE SOUTH, IT'LL BE COMPLETELY SECURED OFF EXCEPT FOR THE STREET ENTRANCE. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING GATED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THERE, SO THERE'S NO, NO ENTRANCES INTO, IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO PARK ON TYLER STREET AS A GUEST OR OWNER, YOU CANNOT, YOU'D HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SIDEWALK TO THE STREET ENTRANCE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TIM. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. YEAH. WILL, THANK YOU, UH, DON FOR CLARIFYING THAT TYLER ESTATE CONFIGURATION, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD CAUSE ISSUE FOR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING THINGS, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, WHEN OVERFLOW THEN PEOPLE WOULD BE STILL PARKING THERE, THEY'LL WALK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME DEGREE THEY'LL WALK IF NEEDED. NOW LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THIS THING ALL STRAIGHTFORWARD, STRAIGHT STREET. HAVE YOU DONE ANY OTHER THOUGHT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE THERE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BIG NUMBER OF TREES THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN OUT, UH, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE MAIN STREET. UH, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE SHIFTING THE LOT TOWARDS LIKE INSTEAD OF HAVING A STRAIGHT STREET CONFIGURATION, MAYBE A CAR STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SHORT, YOU COULD HAVE A MAYBE LITTLE BIT CAR THERE, PUSH THE HOUSE LITTLE BIT? WELL, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS, AND WE WORKED WITH TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THIS, IS THEY WOULD REALLY RATHER HAVE FARTHER DISTANCES BETWEEN STREET INTERSECTIONS THAN THE THREE WE HAVE HERE. OKAY. SO WE WERE REALLY ENCOURAGED TO CENTER IT AS MUCH AS WE COULD. SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH FLEXIBILITY AT EACH END. NOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CURB IT A LITTLE BIT AND SAVE A TREE OR TWO, BUT TO SAVE A LOT OF THOSE ALONG MAIN STREET WOULD HAVE TO SHORTEN. THEY'RE JUST, FOR SOME REASON, THE ONES ALONG TYLER OVER HERE WERE JUST PLANTED [00:55:01] IN A GOOD SPOT. AND THOSE ARE JUST FURTHER BACK IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CURVED IT, WE MIGHT LOSE A COUPLE OTHER ONES, BUT GAIN A COUPLE. UM, WE REALLY HAVE TRIED TO SAVE AS MANY AS WE CAN AND WE'RE, WE WANT TO PUT BACK AS MANY AS WE CAN TO MAKE UP WITH. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE, UH, THE OLIVIA BASICALLY. AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS, THAT'S HARD TO THINK ABOUT THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE 3D. OKAY. NOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS SITE, BUT THE GRADING OF THE SITE WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT TO HAVE A STREET DOWN THE MIDDLE. THE HOUSE PADS RAISED A SLOPE TO THE STREET, SLOPE TO THE ALLEY. AND SO EVEN IF WE MADE AN HORIZONTAL, A CHANGE IN PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE ONE OR TWO OF THESE NICE TREES GRADING WISE, PROBABLY STILL TAKE IT OUT. AND SO MANY OF THESE TREES HAVE SUCH A LARGE CANOPY THAT, I MEAN, IF THEY WERE WITH, EVEN WITHIN FIVE OR 10 FEET OF A BUILDING, SO MUCH OF THE TREE WOULD HAVE TO BE SHEARED OFF. AND SO JUST PLANTING THE NEW TREES AND LETTING THEM, SAVING AS MANY AS WE CAN, AND PLANTING THE NEW TREES TO GROW TO THE NEW ENVIRONMENT IN THE END WILL RESULT REALLY BETTER. YEAH. ONE THING, REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE TREE ALREADY HAS GROWN AND UH, THE SYSTEM, ROOT SYSTEM HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, THE CHANCES OF GETTING, YOU KNOW, DAMAGE FROM THE ROOT IS LESS THAN HAVING A NEW TREE AND TRY TO GROW IT. SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE TREE, THOSE ARE YOUR ASSET BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET THOSE THING, IT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER 50, 60 YEARS PROBABLY TO GET THOSE TREE, UH, AND MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THE TREE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PLANTING WILL PROBABLY WILL COME DOWN BECAUSE IT'S CAUSING PROBLEM TO THE, UH, HOUSES. SO, AND YOU KNOW, DURING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IT WAS, WE DID ALL THE STUDY OF THIS, WE HAD SO MANY CONFIGURATION, SO MANY IDEA THAT CAME OUT THAT MIDDLE HOUSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MISSILE MISSING, MIDDLE HOUSING, UH, YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT KIND OF HOUSING. AND THIS LOT, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SMALL AREA IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, PLANNING, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHTFORWARD, VERY TYPICAL WAY THAT WE, WE DESIGN SUBDIVISION, BUT IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL SUBDIVISION WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE PUTTING UNUSUAL SUBDIVISION INTO A CONFIGURATION THAT WE USE FOR TYPICAL SUBDIVISION. SO WHEN YOU DRIVE TYLER ESTATE, WHEN YOU BUILD THIS ONE, IT WOULD LOOK, LOOK REALLY LITTLE FUNNY, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND THE OLDER HOUSE, LOOK TO THE RIGHT SIDE, LOOK TO THE LEFT SIDE, YOU SEE SOMEONE'S BACKYARD ON THE, YOU KNOW, FRONT. IT'LL LOOK GREAT. UH, IF YOU DO THE, WHAT WE HAVE THE, UH, THE PERSPECTIVE OR THE VIEW WE HAVE FRONT TELEVISION, BUT THE BACK, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY, REALLY FUNNY. YOU KNOW? UH, UH, WELL AGAIN, I HOPE YOU REMEMBER WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO SCREEN THE GARAGE DOORS. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE VERY VISIBLE AT ALL. RIGHT. I, I DO UNDERSTAND. AND YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH LAND IS FLAT THERE, YOU'RE GONNA BE RAISING IT UP, UH, THE HOUSES, WE WILL BE RAISING IT UP SOME IT, IT, IT HAVE TO BE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU ARE NOT GONNA FIND THAT DRAINAGE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING PADS TO EITHER THE STREET OR THE ALLEY. SO THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE TO RAISE THEM UP ABOVE THE STREET IS LESS THAN IF THEY'RE SETTING FURTHER BACK. I DON'T, YOU'RE GONNA RAISE IT, YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT EVEN, I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, CALCULATE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ELEVATION THAT, BUT AGAIN, UNLIKE THE SCREENING DEVICE ACROSS THE STREET, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TREES, WE ARE GONNA HAVE SHRUBS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL THINGS. I THINK THAT WILL HELP WITH THE AESTHETIC OF THE LOOK. ABSOLUTELY. I FEEL LIKE YOU HAD UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF CONFIGURATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH AFTER WHAT WE HAD. WELL, IF WE JUST HAD A LITTLE MORE PROPERTY TO WORK WITH. UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS A FAIRLY SMALL TRACK AND WE ARE KINDA LIMITED MAINLY DUE TO ENGINEERING CONCERNS, LIKE THE INTERSECTIONS AND TRAFFIC AND, YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOME SUGGESTIONS AT THE HOMEOWNERS MEETING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MA WE WERE WANTING LITTLE COTTAGE HOUSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN THOSE, YEAH, WE JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE PARTICULAR RIGHT PLACE HERE. WE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE A REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT AND ENCOURAGE SOME IMPROVEMENT. WELL, I MEAN, ANYWAY, I JUST, UH, I JUST THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A, YEAH. UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ARCHITECT TO BE CREATIVE AND MAYBE SHOW SOME EXAMPLE THAT [01:00:01] IN THE FUTURE RESIDENT WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT I'LL BE WAITING FOR THEM TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THOSE IDEAS. MR. MARIOS. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. MR. DOOLEY, WHAT'S, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE AND ZOOMING IN. I SEE I'M LOOKING AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. UH, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY LARGE, UM, PROPERTIES. THE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM 2,400 SQUARE FEET ON UP TO OVER 4,000 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT. WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU KIND OF AIMING AT? I'M GUESSING YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF ON THE HIGHER END. WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, THESE AREN'T GONNA BE HIGH, HIGH END. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE STARTER HOMES. RIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. SO THESE, LIKE 4, 4 50, IS THAT KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE, I THINK THEY'RE WANT TRY TO START AT THREE 50, BUT MOST OF 'EM WILL PROBABLY BE IN THAT RANGE, IN THAT FOUR TO FOUR 50 BASED ON THE FINISH UP. OKAY. NOW WE HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 2000. MOST OF THEIR PREVIOUS TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE 1800 TO 2,400 IS LIKE THE PERFECT YEAH. SPOT TO BE ABLE TO SELL THEM. AND THEY'RE NICE SIZE. THOSE ARE NICE SIZE HOMES. UM, THEY'RE NOT GIANT HOMES, BUT 2000 SQUARE FOOT IS A VERY NICE HOME. THAT'S, AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE MANY 3000, PROBABLY, ESPECIALLY 4,000. THERE IS ROOM TO DO IT. UM, BUT I DO THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE MOSTLY IN THE LOW BETWEEN 2000 AND MAYBE 2,700 WOULD BE MY GUESS. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S STILL FAIRLY LARGE HOMES. THOSE ARE NICE HOMES. UM, YEAH. VERY NICE HOMES. ABSOLUTELY. UM, WHAT, SO IS THAT ABOUT TWO TO 2 25 PER SQUARE FOOT IS KIND OF THAT MM-HMM . RIGHT. OKAY. MM-HMM . NOW, THE NEXT TWO QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWERS TO OR IF THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION, BUT ON THE EXTERIOR OF WALLS, UH, ARE THERE SIDEWALKS AROUND THE ENTIRE, UH, COMPLEX OR THE ENTIRE, THERE'S, THERE'S PUBLIC. I SEE SIDEWALKS ON THE WEST. I SEE SIDEWALKS. IT LOOKS LIKE A SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH. I DON'T SEE ANY ON THE SOUTH, OR THERE'S, THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER, AND THEN TWO INTERIOR SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PARALLEL GUEST PARKING. OKAY. SO SIDEWALKS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE FENCE ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. ON THE PUBLIC SIDE. OKAY. ALL THE WAY AROUND. THEY EXIST NOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS DOWN THE STREET AS WELL DOWN VALENCIA. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, FROM THE CENTER OF THE, SO I'M LOOKING ON THE GROVE SIDE OR TYLER SIDE THE WAY MM-HMM . BUT WHERE FROM THE CENTER OF WHERE VALENCIA DRIVE IS INTERSECTS WITH GROVE, WHAT'S THE, HOW FAR OF A DISTANCE IS THAT? LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, IT'S KIND OF A SMALLER PROPERTY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY THAT, THAT, UH, A LOT OF GREAT TREES THERE. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL, UM, BUT IT, IT IS NOT VERY DEEP. UM, WHAT'S THE FOOTAGE FROM VALEN CENTER OF VALENCIA DOWN TO LIKE THE EDGE OF MAINE THERE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DRIVE IS. ONCE I TURN RIGHT OFF OF MAIN HEADING NORTH ON GROVE TO HOW MANY FEET BEFORE I HIT VALENCIA? I CAN'T SEE THAT ON HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 200 2000. 2,220 ROUGHLY. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL DIMENSION OF THE PROPERTY. SO FROM , I DIDN'T BRING A DRAWING WHERE I COULD READ MENTION, LEMME SEE. IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT 1 6160 FEET. MM-HMM . OKAY. OH, THE, THAT EAST LINE IS ABOUT 2 77. SO YOU KNOW, HALF OF THAT'S ABOUT ONE 40 FROM CENTER OF STREET UP TO TYLER STREET. SO THAT'S ABOUT 40 YARDS. THE LOTS ARE OVER A HUNDRED FEET DEEP. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE 22 FOOT TO THE 15 ALLEY, AND THEN WE HAVE THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPING. SO, UM, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CORCORAN. UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I, I WAS GONNA SAVE THIS QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF THE SIDEWALK ON MAIN STREET, I THOUGHT I'D JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT NOW. UM, SO WHEN THE ROAD DEDICATION HAPPENS THOUGH, AND IF THERE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE GOES IN, DOES THE SIDEWALK DISAPPEAR? IS THAT SO WHAT, HOW DOES THAT, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST, MAYBE THE GRAPHICS YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T SEE IT. OKAY. IT'LL, IT'LL JUST BE REALIGNED. IT'LL, YOU SEE IT THROUGH THE DEDICATION AREA NOW? YEAH. OKAY. THE SIDEWALK WILL JUST MOVE TO THE OKAY. THE SIDEWALK ALONG MOVE MAIN STREET IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CURB IN A LOT OF PLACES, SO IT'LL JUST MOVE WHEN THEY BUILD THE OKAY. NO, NO, AND THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THE REASON I WAS ASKING, 'CAUSE I SAW THERE WAS A DART STOP RIGHT THERE, SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, YOU KNOW, IF THAT SIDEWALK WOULD'VE DISAPPEARED. UM, NO, THAT'S HELPFUL. UH, THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU, MR. DORIAN. UH, JUST [01:05:01] THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, JUST ONE MORE QUE OR TWO MORE QUESTIONS. THE, THE SIDE WHERE IT'S FACING ON MAIN STREET, I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A WROUGHT IRON, UH, I'M SORRY. THE, UH, THE MASON, THE MASONRY, UM, IS THE FOLIAGE THAT'S IN THERE NOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE SMALLER TREES. CORRECT? THERE'S, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY LIKE BUSHES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT JUST SORT OF IS ARCHITECTURALLY LANDSCAPED ON THAT SIDE OF MAIN STREET? 'CAUSE MAIN STREET'S, THE, I CONSIDER MAIN STREET BEING THE MAIN CORRIDOR FOR OUR DOWNTOWN . I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, HOW DOES THAT VISUALLY LOOK AS SOMEONE'S DRIVING DOWN? OKAY. IF WE'RE GOING WITH THE MASONRY ALONG MAIN, THEN THERE'LL BE A SIX FOOT MASONRY FENCE. THERE'LL BE THE TREES WE'RE SAVING PLUS THE SIX INCH TREES WE'RE PLANTING. AND THEN IN FRONT OF THAT ENTIRE FENCE, WE'RE GONNA DO A ROW OF SHRUBS THAT WILL GET TO THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE EVENTUALLY. OKAY. I MEAN, SO IT'LL BE A, A VERY GREEN, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S MASONRY OR ROD IRON, YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA SEE IT. UH, YEAH. I MEAN, WE, I THINK WE SHOULD DO SHRUBS EITHER WAY TO SOME EXTENT, JUST TO KEEP IT, IF WE DO THE MASON MASONRY WALL, THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY LOW SHRUBS. MM-HMM . OKAY. BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN JUST HIDING THE WALL. BUT WITH BROAD IRON, WE WANT THE, WE WANT THE SCREENING TO BE THE LIVING SCREEN. YES. OKAY. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON THE, SINCE THE BACK SIDE OF THE UNITS ARE FACING MAIN STREET AND THE INTERIOR OF TYLER, UM, IS, IS IT POSSIBLE, AND DEPENDING IF WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS, UH, TO EVEN WITH THE ELEVATED SHOT OR ELEVATED PART OF THE BUILDING TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BACKSIDE TO WHERE IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF MIMICKING OF THE FRONT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE BACK SIDE OF A GARAGE. AND SINCE THAT'S ON A, AGAIN, IT'S ON OUR MAIN DRAG, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A, A VISUAL OF WHAT, HOW THAT COULD LOOK. OKAY. WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU FEEL WOULD HELP THIS PROJECT. OKAY. ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, WHEN WE HAD THE PICTURES UP WHILE AGO OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THE STREET, THERE WAS NO LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THERE WAS NO ALLEY THAT BUILDING YOU WERE LOOKING AT AS MUCH CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN THESE WILL BE. NOT THAT THEY'RE THAT FAR. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT , BUT WE'VE GOT A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, A 15 FOOT ALLEY, AND THEN 22 FEET FOR, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY. AND SO 22, 15 AND 10. SO THAT BUILDING IS, OUR BUILDING'S GONNA BE A LOT FURTHER AWAY THAN THAT PICTURE. YEAH. WHICH WILL REALLY HELP WITH, YEAH. GOT IT. FEELING SO RIGHT UP ON MAIN STREET AND, WELL, I MEAN, CONSIDERING THE BACKSIDE'S FACING A RESIDE, AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY'RE SMALLER HOMES AND THE BACKSIDE ON MAIN STREET, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE'LL DO THIS AT THE MOMENT, BUT IF, IF THIS WERE APPROVED TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOME, A LITTLE MORE, I DUNNO, ELEVATED, UH, BACKSIDE TO, WELL, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY MIMIC THE FRONT, THAT IS THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE UNITS. YES. I KNOW NOW THEIR FRONT ENTRY ON THE OTHER STREET, I LIKE THIS SIDE OF THE ENTRY, SO THEY DON'T HAVE THAT AS NICE FRONT FACADE. YEAH. BUT YOU COULD TAKE SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, THE METAL SEAM ROOM, UM, SOME OF THE COIN WORK, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DETAILS THERE, AND THEY COULD APPLY THOSE TO THE BACK JUST TO GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WHAT MAKES THE BIGGER DIFFERENCE IN THE MATERIAL, THE MATERIAL'S FINE. WE'LL USE THE SAME MATERIAL, USE MATERIALS, BUT IT'S THE OTHER ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. WHAT YOU DON'T WANNA SEE IS A STRAIGHT TWO STORY WALL IN THE SAME ROOF TREATMENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS IT. MM-HMM . AND I WILL ADD, THEY, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE BUILDING ARTICULATION ON THE REAR AS WELL, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR PD. WE'VE INCLUDED THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. WE DON'T HAVE A CONCEPTUAL ELEVATION OF THE REAR YET, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ARTICULATION BACK THERE. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THAT MEANS, DEREK? SO THAT'S PROVIDING VISUAL INTEREST ON THE REAR OF A BUILDING, WHETHER THAT'S VERTICAL OR HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION, UM, OR DESIGN FEATURES THAT MAKE THE BUILDING LESS TWO DIMENSIONAL BLANK WALL, THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. ARTICULATION MEANS YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A STRAIGHT PLANE. THERE HAS TO BE PIECES THAT GO EITHER OUT OR IN AS WELL AS SOME VERTICAL ARTICULATION. IT NEEDS SOME DEPTH TO IT. RIGHT. AND I ENCOURAGE THAT. I THINK THAT, AGAIN, I, I JUST, MY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I, [01:10:01] I, I LIKE THE COMPLEX LOOKS REALLY NICE. THIS SIDE LOOKS REALLY NICE. IT JUST AS MAIN STREET BECOMES A MAJOR DRAG IN THE FUTURE FOR OUR MAIN DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET, IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTERESTS SINCE THOSE ARE THE BACKSIDE, JUST THE UTILIZATION OF SOME OF THE MATERIAL, JUST TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AESTHETIC. I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO, SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARTICULATION, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THEM USE MASONRY. MM-HMM. THEY CAN ACHIEVE THE ARTICULATION WITH HARDY PLANK OR ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER BUILDING MATERIAL. SO I KNOW THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR MIND GOES TO THIS, BUT IT COULD BE, IT COULD ACHIEVE THE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENT WITH A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUILDING MATERIAL. MS. JUSTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, HAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD RECEIVED THIS? DO THEY HAVE THIS TREE? NO, MA'AM. PLAN? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO SEE IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LEAVE IT ON THE PODIUM FOR THEM OR IF ANYONE'S GONNA SPEAK TONIGHT. UM, I THOUGHT THAT YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO PRESERVE THE TREES AROUND THE OUTSIDE. UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE BACKSIDE ON TYLER. UM, MANY OF THE INTERIOR TREES, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO SEE THIS, UM, BUT THE INTERIOR TREES FOR THE MOST PART, OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TREES ON THE EXTERIOR ARE BEING PRESERVED. UM, SO IF ANYONE IS SPEAKING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TONIGHT, I WOULD WONDER, I CAN LEAVE A COPY HERE AT THE PODIUM. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM, FROM FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF, IF THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS RELATED TO TREES PASS OUT. YEAH. GREAT. OKAY. UH, YEAH, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PLANNING TO MAKE COMMENT, BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IF, AND SEEING THAT, IF THAT HELPS WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS. UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WERE PRIOR TO THE, UM, CPC, SOME OF THEM SEEM TO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY SOME THAT, SO I, I GUESS I'M, MY COMMENT IS MORE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF ANYONE'S GONNA SPEAK TONIGHT, IF ANY OF THOSE, THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT IN, IN PUBLIC COMMENT FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE FROM THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AT CPC VERSUS THE PRESENTATION WE'VE RECEIVED TONIGHT. UM, SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M WAITING TO, TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE. MR. DEWEY, WE'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE A SEAT AT THIS TIME. WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP IF NEEDED. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS MAYBE IF THEY HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE CAN GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AT THESE. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK. OKAY. UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND MS. ER, DO WE HAVE COMMENTS? COMMENTS, MARY? I ONLY HAVE TWO CARDS AT THIS TIME. SARAH MARCELLUS LOGANVILLE. AND NEXT WILL BE TONY PAONIA. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I'M SARAH MARCELLUS LUGABO. I LIVE AT 3 1 3 SOUTH LOIS LANE IN RICHARDSON. I LIVE AND WORK IN RICHARDSON. I'M A MEMBER OF THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M A BOARD MEMBER. AND I, I AM REPRESENTING, UM, HIGHLAND TERRACE TONIGHT. JUST YESTERDAY, A COWORKER ASKED ME IF I KNEW OF ANY HOUSES FOR SALE IN HIGHLAND TERRACE. HE SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE. AND HE IS RIGHT. HIGHLAND TERRACE IS A LARGE COMMUNITY OF OVER 1100 HOMES. WE ARE DIVERSE AND UNIQUE. WE ARE ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN DFW WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE ALMOST 60 YEARS, AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE SIX DAYS. WE ARE MORE THAN JUST PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER. WE TRULY ARE NEIGHBORS. WE CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER. WE SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER. WE HELP ONE ANOTHER, AND WE LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER. A LISTENING PIECE THAT REALLY STRIKES ME ABOUT MY NEIGHBORS. IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE LIVED THERE ALMOST THREE YEARS, AND I FEEL TRULY LISTENED TO, WHETHER IT'S DANNY WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET AND IS LISTENING TO ME COMPLAIN THAT I CAN'T GET GRASS TO GROW, OR THE GROUP OF MOMS THAT MEET ME AT STAYCATION TO LISTEN TO MY WORRIES AND CONCERNS ABOUT MY KIDS. I FELT LISTENED TO BY THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD MEMBERS. SO MUCH SO THAT I WANTED TO BE A PART AND SERVE ALONGSIDE THEM. AND I FEEL LISTENED TO YOU, MR. MAYOR AND ALL OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. WHEN YOU COME OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARTIES AND YOU LISTEN TO US, YOU LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS AND YOU CARE ABOUT WHO WE ARE. LISTENING IS SO IMPORTANT TO RELATIONSHIPS. HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS ARE BUILT ON LISTENING AND MOVING TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING. [01:15:01] I READ SOMEWHERE THAT BEING LISTENED TO IS SO CLOSE TO BEING LOVED, THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. AND AS WE, AS MEMBERS OF HIGHLAND TERRACE FEEL LIKE WE'RE LISTENING TO YOU, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE LISTENING TO THE DEVELOPER. WE HAVE LISTENED TO RICHARDSON'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ABOUT THE NEEDS FOR MORE HOUSING IN RICHARDSON, SPECIFICALLY THAT MISSING MIDDLE. WE THINK THAT HIGHLAND TERRACE IS A PRIME LOCATION AND SETTING FOR SOME OF THAT MISSILE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS FOR LARGE SINGLE FAMILIES THAT, AND THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE LARGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE HOMES IN HIGHLAND TERRACE. AND THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON SAYS IS BEST. AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR THE AREA, WE WILL LISTEN. BUT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO LISTEN TO US. WE HAVE STRONG CONCERNS ABOUT THIS CURRENT PLAN, ESPECIALLY THE NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED AND THE SIGNIFICANT TREE LOSS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIGN TOPPERS IN HIGHLAND TERRACE, THERE'S A LARGE OAK TREE REPRESENTING WHO WE ARE. WE SEE SOME MAJOR ISSUES WITH THE PLAN AS CURRENTLY REPRESEN PRESENTED. AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO LISTEN TO US AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL DOES NOT ALIGN WITH WHO WE ARE AS HIGHLAND TERRACE. IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THERE, WHO WILL BE THEIR NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE SENT LETTERS WITH SUGGESTIONS AND CONCERNS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT LESS UNITS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE AESTHETIC OF HIGHLAND TERRACE. THAT MOST OF THE HOUSES THERE ARE 1100 TO 1500 SQUARE FOOT IMMEDIATELY AROUND THIS AREA. WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE CREATIVE HOUSING DESIGN THAT FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT LISTENED TO US. THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN THE COUNCIL AN IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAVE TRIED. AND THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. WE WANT EVERYONE TO WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE, THAT BENEFITS OUR NEIGHBORS, THE CITY AND OUR FUTURE NEIGHBORS THAT WILL RESIDE IN THESE HOMES. PLEASE LISTEN TO US. PLEASE VOTE NO TO THE DEVELOPER'S CURRENT PLAN AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO WORK WITH US TO CREATE A MORE THOUGHTFUL AND BALANCED VISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. EMER. TONY PATAGONIA. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TONY PATAGONIA. I LIVE FOR THE LAST 37 YEARS AT 3 0 9 MARTHA MANOR AT RICHARDSON. I WORK IN RICHARDSON AT REGION 10. SO I ACTUALLY WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE. UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR LISTENING TONIGHT, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CITY STAFF, EVEN ANDREW, WELCOME ABOARD . IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, CAN YOU PLEASE STAND UP? DON'T SAY ANYTHING. JUST STAND UP. WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. I ADDRESSED THIS BOARD, GOSH, 30 SOME ODD YEARS AGO AS THE PRESIDENT OF GRAPPLE THE GROVE ROAD AREA PRESERVATION LEAGUE. IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHY GROVE ROAD LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES AT CENTENNIAL AND SPRING VALLEY, I'M PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE. HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DID NOT EXIST AT THAT TIME. WE SHOWED UP AGAIN. 'CAUSE THE OLD HOSPITAL LOT IS JUST SOUTH OF THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THAT'S WHERE THE TOWNHOUSES ARE AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE IS A DEVELOPER FROM PLANO WHO CAME IN AND TOLD US THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD EVER BE BUILT ON THAT HOSPITAL END WAS 200 PLUS UNITS OF SENIOR LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CAME TOGETHER AND WE SAID IN RICHARDSON, THERE'S A BETTER WAY IF WE LISTEN. AND WHAT DID WE WIND UP WITH? WE WOUND UP WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOMES THAT WE WERE TOLD WOULD NEVER BE BUILT. WE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS THE OLDEST TOWN HOMES, OR SOME OF THEM IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. TOWNHOUSE ROAD IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE BORDER BRICKTOWN, WE HAVE TOWNHOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS, CAN WE GO BACK TO SLIDE SIX? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY INSTRUMENTAL. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS WE'RE, Y'ALL HAVE ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. WE'RE NOT COMPARING COLUMN [01:20:01] TWO AND THREE AND WHETHER WE'RE 75%, WE'RE COMPARING ONE AND TWO AND THREE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A 30% MAX LOCK COVERAGE TO 75%. I'M TELLING YOU WHAT WE'VE SPENT TIME ON TONIGHT IS IMPORTANT. AND WE TRIED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT THAT MEETING, AND WE'RE GLAD THE MAYOR SHOWED UP LATER AND HE WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS US AT THE RESTAURANT. AND I'M SORRY THAT THE DEVELOPER, WHEN HE SHOWED UP, WE MET, BUT THEY ONLY HAD LIKE 10 COPIES OF THEIR PAPERWORK. THEY WERE READY FOR 75 TO 80 PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AT THAT MEETING. BUT WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT IS A SYMPTOM OF THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS. IT GOES BACK TO SLIDE SIX. THERE'S TOO MANY UNITS. IF THERE WEREN'T AS MANY UNITS, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT SCREENING WALLS THE WAY WE ARE. IF THERE WEREN'T SO MANY UNITS, WE WOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT PARKING IF THERE WEREN'T SO MANY UNITS. I BET YOU THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WOULD BE HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT A GREAT ASSET THIS WOULD BE, THE COMMUNITY. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 38 UNITS FOUR TIMES THE COVERAGE ON THAT LOVELY, AS WE CALLED IT, FOUR ACRE PLOT THAT WE'RE GONNA COVER WITH PAVEMENT AND HOUSES AND TRY TO SAVE HALF THE TREES. IT'S THE WRONG FIT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T LISTENED. NOW WE CAN GET INTO CONTENT, BUT THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR TONIGHT. I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT PROCESS. WE'VE TRIED, BUT AS SARAH TALKED ABOUT LISTENING, IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. I FEEL LIKE AS A MEMBER OF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I FEEL LIKE A PA PING PONG BALL THAT WE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE DEVELOPER TELLS US CITY STAFF WANTED THIS. AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GOES TO CITY. AND TONIGHT YOU'VE SEEN THE PING PONG BALL GO BACK AND FORTH. DO WE HAVE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE? DO WE HAVE A MASONRY FENCE? WHERE ARE WE? CAN WE MOVE? CAN WE MOVE AN ALLEY? CAN WE NOT MOVE AN ALLEY? SOME OF THESE ARE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. SOME OF THESE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND WHEN WE HAD THOSE 75 TO 80 FOLKS THERE, WE HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET. THERE ARE ADDRESSES. AND IF THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO REACH OUT AND LISTEN BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER FELT LIKE HE DIDN'T GET A GOOD READ ON US THAT NIGHT, HE SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT. AGAIN. I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO, THIS IS NOT READY. IT MAY BE READY IN ANOTHER FORM, BUT THIS IS NOT THE FORM IT SHOULD BE APPROVED ON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE. MS. ER, ANY ADDITIONAL CARDS? NO FURTHER CARDS. MAYOR. ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK THAT HASN'T SPOKE? OKAY, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. MR. HUTCHIN. WRITER. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR, I ACTUALLY WOULD ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY? DO, DO, DO WE THINK IF WE DEFERRED THIS TONIGHT AND DIDN'T APPROVE IT OR DENY IT, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE DEVELOPER TO MEET AGAIN AND HAMMER OUT THESE POINTS? I'M SEEING NODS FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. WELL, OKAY. WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. BUT THE QUESTION, I'M SORRY. WE, WE COULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN OH, NO, WE DE I THINK WE DEFER THE PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT? WE DON'T CLOSE IT. RIGHT. SO, UH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IF, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING, UH, A CONTINUATION, THEN LET'S, UH, PLEASE DON'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE. I I ALSO AGREE. NO, NO, I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING WRONG. I'M JUST TRYING TO NO, NO. BECAUSE I GET THE SENSE THAT THERE MAY STILL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MEET AND TALK AND TRY TO WORK SOME THINGS OUT. SURE. AND SO, SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY PERSON THAT YOU SHOULD BRING BACK UP TO ASK THAT QUESTION TO AS THE APPLICANT, NOT ANY, NOT THE SPEAKERS OR NOT OKAY. NOT ENGAGE WITH THE FAIR. SO WHERE DO, OH, THERE, YOU'RE, I'M SORRY, MR. MR. A BACK UP. CAN I ASK THAT QUESTION OF YOU ARE, ARE YOU WILLING IF WE DEFER TONIGHT, LEMME YOU A LITTLE, IT, IT, AND I'LL BE REAL HONEST, IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION. NO, YES OR NO. WE, WE WILL DO WHATEVER. OKAY. OKAY. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT, THEN HERE'S WHAT I FEAR. WE WAITED ALMOST THREE MONTHS IN ORDER TO GET A MEETING FEBRUARY. NO, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I THINK, I THINK WE CAN. AND THEN WHEN WE DID, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. AND THAT, AND WE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE GOT SO MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COMING TOGETHER AND SUPPORTING A SINGLE IDEA. WELL, I, WE, WE'LL CERTAINLY MEET WITH THEM. OKAY. SO, SO I MEAN, MY, MY QUESTION IS REALLY SIMPLE. WILL YOU, WILL, WILL YOU BE OKAY IF WE DEFER TONIGHT? AND THEN, I MEAN, I HAVE, I HAVE CONFIDENCE KNOWING PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, [01:25:01] THAT THEY'LL MEET WITH YOU AND WORK THROUGH THIS AND DO IT IN A, IN A, IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. SO MY QUESTION IS VERY SIMPLE TO YOU, SIR. IF YOU'RE WILLING, THEN I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, SHORT, YES, NO. YES. YES. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD. UNDERSTOOD. WELL, WE NEED TO SET A TIME. CONTINUE TO, YEAH. SO, COUNCILMAN HUTCHEN RIDER, IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 3RD. FEBRUARY 3RD. OKAY. OKAY. BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT, WE GOT TWO MORE LIGHTS ON, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THESE LIGHTS, AND I'LL GET YOU TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. PERFECT. OKAY, MR. DORIAN? YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I, I JUST WANT TO, UH, CAPITALIZE ON THAT AS WELL. I I DO. UM, I DO THINK THAT WE POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY HERE, BUT I DO THINK GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ASSOCIATION AND SEE IF THERE ARE ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE MASTER, UH, THE NEW MASTER PLAN OF, OF, OF SOME OF THE, UH, THE VISIONARY IDEAS THAT WE HAVE ON, UH, ON THE, ON THE PLATE. BUT, UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, COURTYARD AND THERE'S BUNGALOW STYLES, AND THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF STYLES THAT WOULD FIT THIS PROPERTY REALLY WELL AND, AND PRESERVE A LOT OF THE TREES, BUT CAN'T TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIRECTION TO GO. I'M JUST SUGGESTING THOSE. AND I THINK THE COLLABORATION, UH, ULTIMATELY WE DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ELEVATING THIS, UH, PROPERTY. BUT I THINK IT'S A, I THINK HAVING SOME ENS CONSENSUS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTING THAT AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. SO MAYOR, JUST JUST A A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SENDING, UM, THE APPLICANT OFF THREE, FOUR, THE, THE CHA THE CASE CAN, I MEAN THE, THE, THE, THE CASE THAT'S BEFORE US CANNOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED. I MEAN, WE CAN'T COME BACK WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF TIMES. UH, YOU KNOW, MAYOR PRO TEM AND, AND COUNCILMAN DORIAN. I MEAN, IT, THEY CAN MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO THIS PLAN, BUT THEY CANNOT, THIS IS, THIS IS THE CASE. SO IF THE CAN CHANGE ROAD, THEY CAN'T CHASE FACINGS, RIGHT? I, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE CASE. AND, UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME OFF AND SAY, IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YEAH, WE WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, A BUNGALOW CONCEPT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT CASE. THIS, THIS, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SENDING THEM OFF TO. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY, MS. JUSTICE. YEAH, JUST A, UM, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. UM, I THINK IT'S STILL WORTH THE CONTINUANCE MM-HMM . TO ALLOW THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE ISSUES. UM, IF FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES, UH, YOU KNOW, UNTIL FEBRUARY 2ND FOR 'EM TO MEET, I'M SURE THEY'LL, THEY'LL TRY AND MEET IN HASTE. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. BUT IS IT POSSIBLE IF WE CONTINUE TO THE SECOND AND THE APPLICANT NEEDS AN A FURTHER CONTINUANCE, IS THAT POSSIBLE? WILL HE BE ABLE TO ASK FOR THAT? AND AT THE, ON THE FEBRUARY 3RD MEETING? YES. YEAH. IF THE APPLICANT OR SOMETHING NEEDS MORE TIME TO MAKE TWEAKS TO PLANS OR SOMETHING? NO, I MEAN, IF THE APPLICANT, I, I WAS TRYING, WE WERE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO, TO THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'D PREFER TO HAVE MORE TIME, WE CAN SET IT FURTHER OUT. I, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SEEMED QUICK. IF, YOU KNOW, THEY, TO GET A MEETING SET UP AND, AND TO MAKE ANY TWEAKS TO PLANS. BUT I'LL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON WHETHER YOU WANT MORE TIME THAN THAT, OR IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH FEBRUARY 3RD, WE WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT FEBRUARY 3RD. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, THEN I, I THINK IT MAY BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROCESS ANYWAY, SO YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION, MAYOR PROTO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, NO, THAT'S GREAT. UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, LISTENING IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE CAN LISTEN AND THEN ANSWER, BUT IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE LISTEN, IT'S MEANINGLESS. SO, UH, I THINK, WELL, IF I MAY, IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE INAPPROPRIATE ARENA. IF IT IS, I'M SURE SOMEBODY WILL TELL ME, , FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE GOT SOME COMMENTS THAT, AND JUST LIKE WE, WE HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE TOO BIG, TOO NICE, MAYBE TOO EXPENSIVE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL SHARES? IS THAT, ARE WE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, WE WERE TRYING TO DO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONALLY. I, I DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO JUST GET SOME FEELING. UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT 1100 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES ARE GONNA SELL TODAY. AND IF THEY DO, I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THOSE. LET ME, LET ME SAY SOMETHING THAT, WHAT I BELIEVE, NOT THE COUNCIL. OKAY. I DON'T, I WOULD NEVER DICTATE A BUSINESS HOW TO DO BUSINESS. I ALWAYS SAID THAT BUSINESS SHOULD DO THEIR BUSINESS IF WE LIKE IT OR NOT. THAT'S DIFFERENT STORY. YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR DECISION HOW YOU APPROACH. AND, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, [01:30:01] THEY WILL VOTE THE WAY THEY, THEY THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT. BUT PERSONALLY, I WILL NEVER TELL YOU THAT YOU, YOU NEED TO DO YOUR BUSINESS THIS WAY. EVEN I WOULD NOT TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO USE BRICK BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. SO THOSE ARE THE THING THAT I WOULD NOT EVEN SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT MY HEART SAY INSIDE. BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, EVEN I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I, I CAN FEEL THEIR HEARTBEAT LITTLE BIT IF I DON'T, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE I WANT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING. YOU KNOW, HAVING MULTIFAMILY, MORE DAMS ALONG THE 75, IT'S ACCEPTABLE. UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE DAMS BECAUSE MANY OTHER FACTOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT OR NOT, THAT'S DIFFERENT STORY. BUT INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE CAN'T HAVE GARDEN, WE CAN'T HAVE PARK EVERYWHERE. THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. WE HAVE TO HAVE HOUSES. SO, AND WE NEED TO ALSO SEE THAT, HOW THAT WILL BLEND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SEE CHANGE, NEW HOUSE, TAKING DOWN OLD HOUSE, NEW HOUSE. BUT TO ME, AS AN ENGINEER, I WOULD SAY THAT WILL CHANGE. THAT WILL HAPPEN. WE CAN'T STOP IT. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD NEW HOUSE THERE, THAT WILL, THAT WILL HAPPEN. SO WE NEED TO KEEP THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE FUTURE SO SOMEBODY WILL COME AND DO SOMETHING BETTER THERE. HAVING NICE HOUSE, ABSOLUTELY. EVERYBODY WANTS NICE HOUSE. EXPENSIVE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE CAN CONTROL THE MARKET. WE'RE NOT HERE CONTROLLING MARKET. THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. SO HAVING NICE 2000 SQUARE FOOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE ISSUE END OF THE DAY. UH, BUT HOW IT LOOKS, HOW THAT'S GONNA SET. BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE CONFIGURATION THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, TO ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MUCH DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION. BUT THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT CASE IF THAT HAPPENED. BUT PERSONALLY, I DO DEFINITELY WANNA SEE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION. I THINK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO SEE THAT. I HEAR THEY SPOKE THAT BEFORE TODAY, AND I WAS HOPING THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN LAST THREE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PROCESS. SO IF THE CON DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION DOES NOT WORK, LIKE TO SEE THOSE KIND OF WORK, THAT OKAY, YOU TRY TO COME UP WITH BEST OTHER SOLUTION. IT DID NOT FIT. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT HERE TO SHOW ALL KIND OF BEETLE WORK, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO SHOW, NOT THE ALTERNATE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WHY YOU COULD NOT SAVE THAT WE, IT COULD PROBABLY PUSH, PUSH THAT IF IT WAS A LOGO OR LEGO, WE COULD SAY, LET'S PUSH THIS SHOE LOT UP UPWARD, SEE WHAT HAPPENED. UH, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE AI WILL GIVE US MORE OPTION HOW TO DO PRESENTATION MORE DYNAMIC WAY. UH, BUT IT'S NOT THERE TODAY. BUT, BUT YOU CAN SHOW SOME OF THE THINGS TO THE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHY WE CAN'T SET THAT TREE. WHY BACK ENTRY NEED TO BE THE BACK WAY. IT CANNOT BE THE FRONT, FRONT ENTRY. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY THINGS, YOU KNOW, A SMALL LOT. IT'S A BIG CHANGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED. YOU KNOW, EVEN I HEAR SOME, THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED WHEN YOU DRIVE ALONG MAIN STREET, HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK ON THE LEFT SIDE, RIGHT SIDE TRAFFIC IS VERY BAD. MAIN STREET. SO SOMETIMES YOU ARE LIKE BACK TO BACK. I CARE LESS WHAT LOOKS ON MY RIGHT SIDE OR LEFT SIDE. I FOCUS ON THE FRONT SO THAT I DON'T HIT ANYONE. UH, AND, UH, BUT I DO CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM MY FRONT YARD. SOMEONE'S BACKYARD. UH, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT OKAY, SOMETHING'S COMING UP THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY COMFORTING. IT MIGHT NOT BE THE HO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PRESIDENT'S HOUSE FRONTIER. IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE ELSE. BUT SHE DOES CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I SAW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY DO CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SO STRONG. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME OF THE ANSWER WITH THEM, I ALWAYS VERY MUCH RESPECT, ALWAYS VERY MUCH RESPECT WHEN WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT. YEAH. THAT'S THE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD WE WANT TO BE IN. WE WANNA BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT. AND I CAN, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THEIR ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW? UM, IT'S JUST, AND SO, AND I CAN PERSONALLY TELL YOU THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DO CARE. THEY'LL GET INVOLVED. IF YOU WANT A QUIET PLACE, THE OLD ORANGE QUIET PLACE, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT RESTAURANT WAS VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY LOUD. BUT IT WAS MORE, UH, LIKE CELEBRATION TYPE THINGS. AND PEOPLE DID LIKE THAT NIGHT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME, UH, DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE, BUT IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESENTATION PROBABLY. BUT I WOULD PREPARE LIKE MORE THAN 10, UH, HANDOUT. THAT, THAT'S MY, JUST MY OPINION, IT'S NOT THE COUNCIL'S [01:35:01] OVERALL OPINION. YOU CANNOT, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, SHARE THEIR, UH, THOUGHT. MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, COUNSEL. AND, UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE CASES, I, I LOOK, OKAY, IS THERE A STRONG ENOUGH CASE TO MAKE EXCEPTION TO THE CURRENT ZONING? UH, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR TO, TO CREATE DEVELOPMENT. UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE. WHEN I LOOK AT, WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, THAT QUANTITY OF UNITS DOESN'T, ISN'T, UH, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN OUR, IN COMMENTS THAT THEN MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE DENSITY OF IT. THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH, BUT THE FACT IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'RE CREATING THIS LITTLE POCKET AND IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE WORD THERE IS THAT COMMUNITY, AS MAYOR PRO TEM MENTIONED, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A STRONG NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ASSOCIATION. IT'S ONE THAT THEY'VE CREATED A COMMUNITY. AND TO BE HONEST, IF, IF I, UM, WERE LOOKING IN RICHARDSON, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE, UH, IF I WERE COMING TO RICHARDSON, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS I WOULD LOOK AT. THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GREAT CHARACTER IN THE HOMES OVER THERE. UM, SOME GREAT PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF THIS CONNECTED AND MADE AN EFFORT, I'LL BE HONEST, I WOULD'VE PREFERRED IT THAT THE HOMES WERE OUTWARD FACING VERSUS VALENCIA. SO IN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT WHAT I LOOK FOR, OBVIOUSLY I SPEAK FOR ME, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL, BUT WE EACH HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK FOR. UM, I LOOK FOR, OKAY, HOW IS IT GONNA CONNECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW IS IT GOING TO, TO TO BE A, BECOME PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I JUST STRUGGLED TO SEE WHERE THIS FITS INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YES, IF WE LOOK SOUTH OF BELTLINE, WE HAVE SOME OLDER TOWN HOMES, AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER. UM, IT'S ONE OF THE OLDER TOWN HOMES IN THE AREA WHERE I DON'T THINK SAYING, WELL, IT'S ALREADY ACROSS THE STREET, IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S DO THAT AGAIN. ALTHOUGH IT'S A HIGHER PRODUCT. UM, SO FOR ME, IT'S JUST AN ISSUE WITH THE DESIGN. IT'S AN ISSUE WITH FITTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, KNOWING THAT THEY CAN'T CHANGE THAT COMING TO US AGAIN. UM, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR ME. I, IF IT WERE TO VOTE TONIGHT, I WOULD VOTE NO ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL IT CONNECTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, IF COUNCILMAN HUTCHER WRITER MAKES THAT MOTION, I'M GONNA SUPPORT IT. 'CAUSE I'M NEVER GONNA VOTE AGAINST SPEAKING MORE WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THAT THAT SHOULD ALWAYS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH OF, UH, SPEAKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT UNLESS SOMETHING GREAT GREATLY CHANGES IN THIS PLAN, WHICH IT CAN'T BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, AS A ZONING CASE, THERE CAN'T, I DON'T SEE HOW MY VOTE WILL CHANGE, UH, UNLESS SOMETHING GREATLY CHANGES OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST COMES IN, YOU KNOW, LIFTING YOU UP AS THE GREATEST DEAL MAKER IN TOWN, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE YOUR BIGGEST FANS. SO UNLESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, I, I STRUGGLE WITH JUST THE CONCEPT WHERE IT'S AT. IF THIS WERE MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN, NOT ON MAIN STREET, NOT CONNECTED TO SUCH A TIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THIS WERE ON THE EDGE OF A COMMERCIAL SPACE, IF THIS WERE, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER FACTORS THERE. I MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT THOUGHT ABOUT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT BEING WHERE IT IS IN CONNECTION TO DOWNTOWN, WHERE IT IS IN CONNECTION TO MAIN STREET, WHERE IT IS IN CONNECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING CHANGING HERE WHERE I WOULD BE ABLE TO CHANGE MY BOAT IN THE FUTURE. BUT AGAIN, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY CHANGE. UM, BUT, BUT BECAUSE I JUST STRUGGLE WITH THE WHOLE CONCEPT AS A WHOLE. UH, NOW WITH THAT SAID THAT I JUST WANNA PUT OUT THERE, HOPEFULLY I ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I TAKE THE, WHERE I VOTE FROM IS, OKAY, WAS THERE A STRONG ENOUGH CASE FOR ME TO PROVIDE THE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE ZONING? WAS THERE AND STRONG ENOUGH DEMAND FOR THIS, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FROM WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, DOES IT FILL A GAP WE HAVE IN THE CITY? UH, IT FILLS A GAP IN THE SENSE OF THE TYPE OF HOUSING. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL TOWN HOMES BUILT AROUND THE CITY, AND THEY FILL UP QUICK AND THEY SELL WELL. UM, SO THERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT. UH, DEFINITELY, UM, IN THE YOUNGER PROFESSIONAL, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC, THERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT. UM, DOES IT FILL WHAT WE CALL THE MIDDLE HOUSING? WHEN I THINK OF, OKAY, MORE AFFORDABLE, I MEAN, THERE'S STILL 400,000, $450,000 HOMES. UM, SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY ENTRY LEVEL. UM, YOU KNOW, SURELY SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 30 PLUS YEARS, THEY DIDN'T PAY ANYWHERE NEAR THAT. THEIR HOMES MAY BE WORTH THAT NOW, BUT, UM, THEY DIDN'T PAY THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND AND JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK MR. CORCORAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT YOU TO BE, WELL FIRST I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, SORRY, FOR CITY STAFF, UH, ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THE SHARED DRIVEWAYS. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT WE ENDED UP SENDING THAT BACK? WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM TO DO THAT? DID WE DENY THAT WITHOUT PREJUDICE SO THEY [01:40:01] COULD REDO THAT? OR WAS THAT CHANGED, NOT SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH, OR IT WAS TABLED? I DON'T REMEMBER HOW THAT CASE WORKED OUT. I BELIEVE THE INTERPRETATION AT THAT TIME WAS THAT IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH CHANGE THAT IT CONSTITUTED A NEW CONCEPT. OKAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS SORT OF, I MEAN, IT WASN'T A COMPLETE REDESIGN, BUT IT WAS PRETTY, IT WAS PRETTY MAJOR. I MEAN, SO FOR WHATEVER, IT HELPS WITH YOUR, YOUR OPINION. I MEAN, I'M DON'T WANT YOU TO LOSE COMPLETE HEART AFTER THE LAST COMMENT. I'M, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. I THINK IT IS A PRODUCT THAT IS NEEDED IN THE CITY FOR SURE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION TO, TO TABLE IT OR NOT TABLE IT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, RATHER, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU TIME TO IRON OUT MAYBE ONE OR TWO MORE POINTS OF CONTENTION WITH NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION TO, TO CONVINCE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES. BUT I DO THINK IT'S A NICE DESIGN, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD ASPIRE. I MEAN, 350,000 IS, IS A PRETTY MEDIAN PRICE POINT THESE DAYS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ASPIRE TO SOMETHING LOWER IN VALUE THAN THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION ON THIS. AND ON THE MOTION TO, UH, CONTINUE SPECIFICALLY, COULD I, I'LL ASK ONE QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL COME TO YOU, MR. HUTCHER RUNNER. UM, I THINK I HEARD IN THE AUDIENCE, SOME OF THEM TALK ABOUT MID-LEVEL HOUSING AND THOSE TYPE THINGS. CONCEPTUALLY, WOULD IT BE A DRAMATIC CHANGE? I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST WE'VE ASKED SOME DEVELOPERS TO INCLUDE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT WITHIN THE, WITHIN THOSE DIFFERENT FEATURES MM-HMM . SO THAT THEY MIGHT BE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE, AND THAT'S HARD TO DEFINE WHAT AFFORDABLE IS, I KNOW, BUT MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE SOME LESS SAVED DOLLAR AMOUNT PER SQUARE FOOT, BUT SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHIN SOME OF THE UNITS, AND THEN THAT IN TURN WOULD FREE UP POSSIBLY MORE GREEN SPACE, WHICH I THOUGHT I HEARD SOME OF 'EM SAY THEY WANTED MORE. SO CONCEPTUALLY, IS THAT A TOTAL CHANGE OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORS AND OUR AND THE APPLICANT WOULD BE INTERESTED DOING? Y YEAH, GREAT QUESTION, MARY. AS LONG AS THEY REMAIN TOWN HOMES AND THE NUMBER REMAINS, UH, 38, IS IT, UM, THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM IF, IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO REDUCE THE SIZE, UM, OF SOME OF THE UNITS? UH, IF, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT? YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH. WELL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER WAS THE CONCEPT OF COMPLETELY ABANDONING A TOWN HOMES, OKAY. FOR SOME OTHER KIND OF MIDDLE MISSING HOUSING, UH, LIKE A, I THINK THE, THE BOUTIQUE, YOU KNOW, COURTYARD KIND OF A CONCEPT. SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE POST THIS, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, FOR BOTH CPC AND COUNCIL AS A, A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT FOR 38 UNITS. UM, AND SO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA VARY FROM THAT, UM, IN ANY CONSEQUENTIAL WAY WOULD REALLY NEED TO BE A, A, A RE A REPOSTING AND A RECONSIDERATION BY BOTH THE CPC AND THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MR. HUTCH. ANDRE, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 24 UNTIL FEBRUARY THE THIRD. MS. JUSTICE SECOND GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF FOR THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, THIS [7. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-28, A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 3-ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF E. BELT LINE ROAD, WEST OF N. JUPITER ROAD, FROM LR-M(2) LOCAL RETAIL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WITH 36-UNITS. ] BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 28. A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF EAST BELTLINE ROAD. MR. MAGNAR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, DEREK IS GONNA STAFF, UH, THE CITY PRESENTATION AGAIN, AND I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE, AND WE WILL, UH, MAKE ANY COMMENTS, UH, AND BE AVAILABLE TO QUESTIONS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THIS IS ZONING FILE 24 28. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR 36 HOME UNITS. THE CURRENT ZONING IS LOCAL RETAIL TOO. AND YOU SEE HERE IN THE AERIAL IMAGE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS IN YELLOW, SO IT'S AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BELTLINE AND JUPITER ROAD. THERE IS SOME FRONTAGE ALONG JUPITER ROAD. IT DOES NOT MEET BELTLINE ROAD. THE PROPERTY DOES NOT MEET BELTLINE ROAD. HOWEVER, THE PRIMARY POINT OF ACCESS, THE ONE POINT OF ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WILL BE FROM BELTLINE ROAD. THERE'S A PRIVATE STREET THAT RUNS, UH, BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST AND THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ACCESSED FROM. THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH A, UH, WHAT IS CALLED THE MILLWOOD CREEK CONDOMINIUMS. THIS IS ZONED AS APARTMENT TO THE NORTH IS THE DUCK CREEK CORRIDOR AND HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. AND ACROSS FROM [01:45:01] THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL. THERE'S THE CVS PHARMACY AND SOME RESTAURANTS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN TO THE EAST IS JUPITER ROAD AND THE CITY OF GARLAND TO THE EAST OF THAT, HERE'S SITE PHOTOS. SO THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE PRIVATE STREET THAT THE, THAT WILL BE THE PRIMARY POINT OF ACCESS TO THE SITE. THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPERTY LOCATED BEHIND THE CVS. AND AS YOU SEE, IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES. THIS PHOTO ON THE LEFT IS ANOTHER IMAGE OF THAT PRIVATE STREET OFF OF BELTLINE. AND UNDER THE ARROW IS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY TO THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LOCATED. AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. AND THE, THE STRUCTURES TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PROPERTY IS THE MILLWOOD CREEK CONDOMINIUMS. SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THIS CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH SHOWS A TOTAL OF NINE BUILDINGS WITH 36 TOWNHOME UNITS. THERE WILL BE A SERIES, UH, NETWORK OF SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ALSO CONNECT BACK TO JUPITER ROAD THAT ALLOW FOR CONNECTION UP TO THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL TO THE NORTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WILL BE ONE DRIVEWAY ENTRY THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, AND IT WILL BE UNGATED, HOWEVER, TO THE NORTH OF THAT ACCESS. AND ON THAT PRIVATE STREET, THERE WILL BE A GATE LOCATED HERE TO ONLY ALLOW ACCESS TO MILLWOOD CREEK, UH, CONDOMINIUM RESIDENCE PER THEIR REQUEST. THIS PRIVATE STREET IS AN A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WAS, UH, OWNED, THAT IS OWNED BY THE MILLWOOD CREEK CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION. SO IN ORDER FOR THE THEM TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, THEY ASK THAT THIS RESTRICTED ACCESS GATE BE LOCATED ON THIS DRIVEWAY, UH, ON THE PRIVATE STREET. UM, I WILL GIVE A BETTER AND CLOSER VIEW HERE. SO THE HOMES WILL BE ORIENTED IN VARIOUS WAYS, BUT THE RED LINE RUNNING ALONG THE, EACH OF THE STRUCTURES SHOWS WHICH DIRECTION THOSE HOMES ARE FACING. SO ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'LL BE FACING TO THE WEST. THERE WILL ALSO BE A ROD IRON STYLE FENCE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH WILL BE A, THERE IS AN EXISTING SIX FOOT TALL WOODEN FENCE SEPARATING THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH. SO THAT WOODEN FENCE WILL BE EXTENDED ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY LINE ALONG DUCK CREEK WILL NOT BE FENCED IN OR SCREENED. THERE WILL BE A RETAINING WALL PLACED THERE, AND YOU MAY SEE THAT HERE. BUT OTHERWISE THAT WILL BE OPEN, UM, TO ALLOW THAT VISUAL, UH, FIELD OF VIEW. THERE. THERE WILL BE GUEST PARKING PROVIDED AT A RATE OF 0.5 PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, AND THOSE ARE SHOWN IN YELLOW. A TRIP GENERATION MEMO WAS CREATED FOR THIS AND SHOWED THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL 15 TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND ADDITIONAL 19 TRIPS IN THE AFTERNOON. ONE TRAFFIC MODIFICATION THAT WILL BE ADDED TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO MODIFY THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AT BELTLINE WHERE THAT PRIVATE STREET IS LOCATED. THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BE WIDENED. ALSO, THE EXISTING MEDIAN ON BELTLINE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW FOR CARS THAT ARE EASTBOUND TO TURN LEFT, TO TURN NORTH INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM BELTLINE. SO FOR THE MOST PART, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL, UH, FOLLOW THE STANDARDS FOR FOUND IN THE CODE THAT RELATE TO THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS, UH, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS. SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A SMALLER LOT DEPTH. SO WITH THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENTS, WHAT IS STANDARD IS A LOT DEPTH OF 70 FEET AND THEY'RE REQUESTING 45 FEET. UM, SO IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE LOTS WITHIN THIS SMALLER COMPACT, UH, PROPERTY, UH, ALSO TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT, THEY WILL BE GOING UP TO THREE STORIES. SO TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO COMPARE TO THE LAST TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT WE JUST REVIEWED, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN 150 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED APARTMENTS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY. SO THE STANDARD HEIGHT FOR TOWN HOMES, NOT WITHIN THAT VICINITY, WOULD BE THREE STORIES. UH, AT 55 FEET. WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THREE STORIES 45 FEET. THEY'RE PROPOSING MINIMUM UNIT SIZES OF 1900 SQUARE FEET. THEY ARE PRO, THEY ARE REQUESTING SMALLER MINIMUM SIDE SETBACKS AT THREE [01:50:01] FEET TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, MORE NARROW LOTS ON THE CORNERS. THEY DID PROVIDE THESE CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS OF BOTH THE FRONT AND THE REAR AND THE SIDES. SO IN LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT PLAN, THESE ARE GOING TO BE SERVED BY REAR SERVED IN THE REAR, UH, BY ALLEYS OR PRIVATE STREETS. AND ON THE CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS YOU SEE HERE THE TYPE OF DESIGN FEATURES AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT WILL BE INCLUDED. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS UPDATED THIS YEAR AND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WITHIN THAT IDENTIFIED THIS AREA'S NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. AND THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES IDENTIFIED FOR THIS AREA INCLUDED FOURPLEXES, MULTIPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES. SO IN SUMMARY, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, TWO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. WE ALSO RECEIVED ONE COPY OF THE LETTER THAT THE MILLWOOD CREEK HOA ASSOCIATION SIGNED IN SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND AT THE CPC MEETING ON DECEMBER 3RD, THE CPC VOTED FOR ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. UH, AND THAT INCLUDED THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED. AND THAT INCLUDES THE ONE CONDITION THAT THAT RESTRICTED ENTRY GATE WILL BE LOCATED ON THAT PRIVATE STREET TO ONLY ALLOW MILLWOOD CREEK ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR STREET THROUGH THROUGH THE NORTH. OKAY. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNSEL, MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. DEREK, CAN YOU GO OVER REAL QUICK AGAIN WHERE THE GATES ARE? I'M LOOKING AT, SO ON 18 IT SAYS NEW GATE. SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A GATE THERE AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND GATE. I'M KIND OF CONFUSED. THERE'S NO GATE ON, UM, THE SOUTH ROAD, YOU GO UP THE DRIVEWAY. CORRECT. THEN WE HIT A GATE, BUT THEN WE COULD TURN RIGHT INTO THE COMPLEX AND THERE'S ANOTHER GATE. THERE IS NO GATE ON THE COMPLEX. OKAY. IT IS NOT GATED WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS LOCATED ON THE COMPLEX. AND THE, UH, SOUTHWEST IS NOT GATED. OKAY. BUT WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE OVERALL AERIAL WITH THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IS THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT, UH, HAD CONCERNS ABOUT PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. SO THAT IS WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT GATE TO BE LOCATED THERE. WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT? THE NEW DEVELOPMENT? THAT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPER, YES. OKAY. ARE THERE, UM, UH, IS IT, 'CAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENT FOR A GATE? I'M KIND OF CONFUSED WHY THE GATE WOULD BE THERE. SO THAT GATE IS TO PREVENT PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC, RIGHT. GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT THIS WAY? THE MILLWOOD CREEK PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THEIR REQUEST. OKAY. NOT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. GOT IT. GOT IT. I SEE. YES. THANK YOU. UH, ARE THERE ANY SIDEWALKS ALONG ANY OF THIS? THERE'S SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT AND THEN THERE WILL BE ONE CONNECTING OVER HERE AS WELL. OKAY. AND THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK ON THIS PRIVATE STREET THOUGH. I DON'T REMEMBER. OKAY. THE MEDIAN THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC TO TURN NORTHBOUND INTO THE PRIVATE DRIVE, IS THAT DEVELOPERS WILL PAY FOR THAT? OR IS THAT CITY HAS TO PAY FOR THAT? THAT'S, THE DEVELOPERS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. THE DEVELOPERS WILL PAY FOR THAT MEDIA. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY GATES OR ACCESS TO, WHAT IS THAT ON THE RIGHT, ON JUPITER ROAD? THAT'S JUPITER OR THE CREEK AREA. ON JUPITER ROAD, IT'LL BE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEDESTRIANS. THERE WILL BE NO GATE THERE, NO FENCE RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH. BUT THERE IS A PORTION OF THAT AREA IS FOR THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL. IT'S CONCRETE FOR THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL. SO THEY, THEY CAN'T FIT A DRIVEWAY THERE. UM, THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS OTHER THAN PEDESTRIAN. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT ON THE, ON THE CREEK SIDE, THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS? NO, THERE WON'T BE. AND YOU SAID THERE'S LIKE A RETAINING WALL THERE? THERE'S A RETAINING WALL, AND THEN IT'LL SLOPE DOWN TO THE CREEK NATURALLY. SO TO ACCESS THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK, THEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE THE SIDEWALK OUT TO JUPITER AND WALK NORTH TO THAT. OKAY. ACROSS THIS BRIDGE. THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS PART OF WHAT I WAS WONDERING THERE, BUT THERE'S, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THAT'S JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE. WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE, RIGHT? NO, WE DON'T. OKAY. THAT'S THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION YOU HAVE NOW. THANK YOU, DEREK. THANK YOU MAYOR PRO, TIM. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU ERICA, FOR COMING AGAIN AND PATIENTLY PRESENTING PROJECTS. UH, UH, QUESTION. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY VOTE, YOU KNOW, BA YOU KNOW, THE, BASED ON THE ANSWER THAT YOU GAVE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT IS A THREE STORY, DO THEY HAVE TO PUT, UH, ELEVATOR FOR THAT OR IS NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES THAT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO MULTI-STORY APARTMENTS, ESPECIALLY YOU, YOU HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT. BUT YEAH. BUT FOR THIS THREE STORY, NO BIG DEAL. YEAH. AND, UH, WHERE IS THE A HUNDRED YEAR [01:55:01] FLOOD PLAN IN THIS AREA? ANY IDEA? LET'S SEE. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS IMAGE. THIS IS ZONE AE. YEAH. WHERE IS THE DOTED LINE? THAT EXTENT? I DON'T SEE THE EXTENT. YEAH, THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT DOWN HERE ESTABLISHED. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. RIGHT. IT WON'T BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN AT ALL. AND OUR, UH, DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERS REVIEWED THIS AS WELL. OKAY. AND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY NICE IN THE BACK IF THEY COULD WALK AND ENJOY THAT PLACE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I'M GREAT. SO WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A RETAINING WALL. WHAT'S THE DIFFICULTY, UH, CREATING AN ACCESS TO THE LAKE LAKESIDE? I MEAN, NOT CREEKSIDE. IT'S NOT QUITE, I I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED WITH THE OKAY. WITH THE FLOODPLAIN BEING THERE, OR SOME PORTION OF FLOODWAY BEING THERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, CHARLES WAS JUST REMINDING ME THAT THE RETAINING WALL IS ONLY TWO FEET TALL. OKAY. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE INACCESSIBLE TO SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO, TO USE THAT AREA JUST TO STEP DOWN. BUT I MEAN, IT WON'T BE, OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T, IT WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, A DA COMPLIANT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY INACCESSIBLE TO ANYONE WHO WANTS. RIGHT. I MEAN, I MEAN YOU COULD, THEY COULD CREATE A WAY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, RETAINING ALL THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S ANOTHER MOUNTAIN THERE. WE COULD NOT MOVE ANYTHING. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO CREATE AN ACCESS, IS THERE ANY, I DON'T THINK FLOOD PLAN WOULD STOP YOU MAKING AN ACCESS THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER RESTRICTION THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ANY ACCESS THROUGH THAT SIDE TO THE BACK. UH, BECAUSE DUCK CREEK, YOU COULD PROBABLY WALK ALL THE WAY, UH, TO THE PARK HEIGHTS PARK, NOT HEIGHTS PARK. WHERE IS THAT? PARK? A HAWAIIAN PARK. RIGHT. YEAH. AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU WORK THERE. UH, UH, IT'S REALLY NICE. SO ONCE, ONCE THEY LEAVE THEIR PROPERTY, THEN IT BECOME, IT WOULD BECOME OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS AADA A COMPLIANT. SO THAT WOULD REALLY BE OKAY. A PROJECT FOR, YOU KNOW, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY COULD MAKE THE CONNECTION, BUT THEN BEYOND THAT, IT'S NO LONGER THEIR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S OURS. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE PUBLIC WORKS. EXACTLY. OKAY. SO NOW, YOU KNOW YEAH. YOU WANTED TO REQUIRE THAT OF THE PROJECT YOU COULD. OKAY. SO I KNOW THAT TYPICALLY WE DON'T SEE THREE STORY. GUESS WHAT'S THE REASON NOT HAVING THREE STORY? WHY, WHY WE DON'T SEE THREE STORY, UH, MUCH WHAT'S THE LEGAL OR ANY OTHER ISSUE? YEAH. WE, WE DO, I MEAN, UH, TWO CREEKS IS A, IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITH THREE STORY. AND OF COURSE AT CITY LINE WE HAVE THE THREE STORY SINGLE FAMILY. AND SO, UM, I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT INFILL PROJECTS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE MATH. I THINK SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO THAT ADDITIONAL STORY SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THE PERFORMER WORK. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A DRIVE FROM A BUILDING STANDPOINT. THERE'S PARTICULARLY ON, ON, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, IT'S, THESE ARE GONNA STILL BE CON YOU KNOW, TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION BUILDINGS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, ON, ON SLAB ON, ON THE, SO, SO, SO I MEAN, UH, I MEAN, WHY CAN'T WE MAKE THREE STORY, YOU KNOW, MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOME, SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHT, IF YOU GO CERTAIN HEIGHT, THE DESIGN STANDARD IS ONE, BUT IF YOU GO HIGHER THAN THE WIND LOAD COMES IN THE FACTORY DESIGNING. SO, UH, THERE IS SOME OTHER ISSUE. BUT IF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE MAXIMUM HIGH, UH, 35 FEET, I THINK 34 FEET, PROBABLY THINK TWO STORY HOUSING THAT RIGHT NOW, 40, THIS IS THE MATTER. YEAH. MATTER. OKAY. 40. IF SOMEBODY SAY, OKAY, THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT QUESTION, THIS LIKE GENERAL QUESTION 40 STORY, WHY WE DON'T ALLOW THREE STORY BUILDING? ANY REASON FOR THAT? OR IT JUST THERE IN THE COURT AND WE JUST DON'T DO THAT. MM-HMM . ARE YOU, UH, OKAY THEN JUST, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SINGLE FAMILY SAY, WANT TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE? MM-HMM . FOR MYSELF, I THINK IT'S LIMITED TO TWO HISTORY, RIGHT? RIGHT. MM-HMM . IN, IN, YEAH. I THINK IN ALL OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY AND ALSO THE HEIGHT IS 40 FEET. RIGHT. BUT IF SOMEBODY DECIDED, OKAY, I'M GONNA HAVE THREE STORY, OR I WANT TO HAVE THREE STORY, [02:00:01] BUT I'LL MANAGE, KEEP THAT 40 FEET HIGH LIMIT MM-HMM . SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT. RIGHT. NOT WITH, NOT WITHOUT, IF IT WAS A, A DEVELOPMENT, THEY COULD COME IN AND, AND, UM, APPROACH IT THROUGH A, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND SEEK, PROVE FOR IT. YEAH. AND, UH, IS THERE ANY REASON THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT THINK ABOUT, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MYSELF. MM-HMM . COULD WE MAKE THAT STAND OUT? OKAY. YOU GUYS CAN BUILD THREE STORY, NOT TWO STORY ONLY. HEY, HEY, MAY APPROACH HIM, NO DISRESPECT, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT GERMANE TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING CASE. AND WE NEED TO STAY ON AGENDA. NO DISRESPECT, PLEASE. NO, I UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE WE HAVE A THREE STORY. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHY THREE STORY IS NOT ALLOWED TYPICALLY, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THREE STORY HERE IF WE ALLOW. YEAH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION THAT, WELL, I WANTED TO BE A LITTLE MORE NI YOU KNOW, NICE. THERE, JUST WANTED TO SEE, I WANTED TO GET THAT ANSWER THAT WHY THREE IS THREE. WE CAN, UH, UH, SAY YES, THIS CASE. YEAH. SO THREE STORY IS ALLOWED FOR TOWN HOMES. OKAY. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. SEEING NONE THIS TIME, WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND PRESENT ANY ADDITIONAL FACTS OR ITEMS OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SAY. GOOD EVENING, HONOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYOR HAWKINS. EXCUSE ME. I, I, I APOLOGIZE. DEREK, COULD YOU TURN THE MIC BACK ON PLEASE? RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. HONORED COUNCIL MEMBERS. MR. MAYOR, MY NAME IS ANDREW HAWKINS. UH, I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT JC MAYFAIR. UM, I LIVE AT FIVE 19 SAGE VALLEY DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS. UM, AND, UM, I WANT TO FIRST SAY THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION FOR YOU. UM, AND, UM, WE ARE, UH, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. I DO WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY SAY THAT THE, UM, ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAVE BEEN AMAZING AND REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB, AND THEY DESERVE KUDOS FOR ALL THAT THEY DO. UM, AND, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU, ANDREW. MR. CORCORAN, I'M JUST, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN AN AGREEMENT LIKE THIS BEFORE, CAN YOU FOR THE, UM, THE, THE AGREEMENT THAT Y'ALL HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORING CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION AND SORT OF ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE IN THERE, HOW DOES THAT INTERACT WITH OUR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CASE? I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF A, A LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT IS THAT? WELL, IT'S A LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT, LIKE ANY CONTRACT. OKAY. SO YEAH, THEY, AND IN FACT, WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS. OKAY. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE FROM, FROM OUR END, WE APPROVE THIS, AND AT THAT POINT, YOU STILL HAVE TO FINISH UP WITH THAT CONTRACT BEFORE YOU CAN START CONSTRUCTION ON THIS. IS THAT? YES. OKAY. YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, COOL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALRIGHT. SEEING NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE ASK YOU TO TAKE A SEAT AND, UM, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. AND WE MAY CALL YOU BACK. THANK YOU, MS. NEER. DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS, SPEAKER? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, MAYOR. OKAY. LOOKING FOR A MOTION. MR. HUT? WRITER MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. MR. CORCORAN. SECOND. GOT A MOTION. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHTY, COUNSEL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, MR. CORCORAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS? UH, I DON'T, I MEAN, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY LIGHTS ON, I'LL GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I'LL MAKE, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 24 DASH 28. MS. . SECOND. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION. SECOND TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [8. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-29, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER WITHIN AN EXISTING 13,060 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON A 3.1- ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND LOCATED AT 3501 MURPHY ROAD, SOUTH OF RENNER ROAD, ON THE WEST SIDE OF MURPHY ROAD. ] ITEM NUMBER NINE WOULD BE PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 29. A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER LOCATED AT 3 5 0 1 MURPHY ROAD. MR. MAG. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE'RE GONNA GIVE THERE A MUCH DESERVED BREAK. AND AMBER, UH, POLAND IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, STAFF OUR NEXT ITEM. YES, GOOD EVENING. AND ONTO THE NON TOWN HOME PORTION OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS FOR YOU. SO THIS IS FOR, UM, ZONING FILE 24 29. IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THE PILLARS CHILDCARE. [02:05:01] SO IT'S LOCATED AT 35 0 1 MURPHY ROAD, UM, WHICH IS ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF RICHARDSON. ON THE SOUTH. IT'S SOUTH OF RENNER ROAD AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF MURPHY ROAD. UM, IT IS LOCATED IN, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT. IT'S AN, UM, ZONED LR LOCAL RETAIL M TWO. UM, AND UNDER THAT SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, OR THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT, A SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER. THE LOCATION OF THIS REQUEST IS, UM, WHERE A CURRENT CHILDCARE CENTER HAS BEEN OPERATING. UM, SO IN 1998 WE HAD A REQUEST COME THROUGH FOR THE WHISTLE STOP CHILDCARE CENTER. SO THAT, UM, FACILITY, UH, THIS IS A BUILT AS CHILDCARE, UH, FACILITY THAT'S BEEN OPERATING SINCE, UM, 1999. UH, THE PERMIT, WHEN IT CAME THROUGH AT THAT TIME, IT'S, UM, LIKE OUR, OUR SPECIAL PERMITS ARE, IT WAS TIED TO THE OWNER. UM, SO IT WAS TIED TO WHISTLE STOP. THE, THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP AND SO A NEW OPERATOR AND OWNER, UM, IS COMING IN AND SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE A REQUEST FOR THEIR OWN SPECIAL PERMIT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS AERIAL, THE PROPERTY, UM, IT'S, UH, DEVELOPED AROUND IT, IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH, UM, THE WEST AND THE SOUTH. THERE IS AN ALLEY ALONG THIS SIDE WITH A MASONRY WALL. THERE IS A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE ON A PORTION OF THE ALLEY HERE. UM, WHEN THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED, THEY HAD A NUMBER OF TREES THAT WERE PUT IN. SO THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF SCREENING ON THE PROPERTY. UM, SOME VIEWS OF THAT. THIS IS LOOKING WEST FROM THE DRIVE ACCESSING INTO THE PROPERTY. SO THEY DO HAVE, UM, UH, A LOT OF STACKING ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S, IT'S SET UP AND STAGED SO THAT, UM, SO PEOPLE CAN DRIVE ONTO THE PROPERTY AND TO DO DROP OFF AND PICK UP, UH, YOU SEE THE PARKING AREA AS WELL AS THE, THE SCREENING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN AGAIN ON THE, UM, PARKING THEY ARE PROVIDING. AND THEN A VIEW OF THE ALLEY ADJACENT. SO THE SITE IS 3.1 ACRES. IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING, LIKE I MENTIONED. THEY'RE REQUESTING 248, UM, A MAX MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT, AND THAT'S FOR CHILDREN NEWBORN UP TO 12 YEARS OF AGE. WHEN THE ORIGINAL PERMIT WENT THROUGH, THEY WERE PERMITTED FOR UP TO 235. UM, THE CURRENT STATE REGULATIONS, THEY, UM, CAN BE APPROVED UP TO THE 248 AND THEY'RE MAKING THAT, THAT REQUEST. UM, THERE ARE THREE OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS. THEY HAVE AREAS THAT ARE DIFFERENTIATED FOR THE DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS. SO THIS, UM, WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 3RD. UM, THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED AT THAT TIME. AND THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. ALSO IN THE OPERATION OF THE EXISTING BUSINESS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS RELATED, UM, TO THE OPERATIONS PREVIOUSLY. UM, SO THE CITY COUNCIL CAN APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, UM, OR APPROVE OF CONDITIONS OR AMEN CONDITIONS OR DENY IT. THE CONDITIONS ARE, UM, INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, UH, ONE BEING THAT IT BE TIED TO THE EXHIBIT, THE, UM, EXISTING SITE PLAN, UH, TWO, THAT IT'S LIMITED TO THE NEW APPLICANT, THE PILLARS, CHILDCARE, AND THREE, THAT THEY GET ANY BUILDING PERMITS AS REQUIRED AS INCLUDING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND THEN FOUR, THAT THE ENROLLMENT BE LIMITED TO THE 248 AS THEY REQUESTED. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. BARRIOS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, AMBER, JUST IN, IN THIS, WE'RE CALLING IT AND JUST FOR, WE'RE CALLING THIS A CHILDCARE CENTER PRE, IN OTHER ZONING CASES, WE'VE CALLED THEM DAYCARE. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? ARE THEY INTERCHANGEABLE? AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS 'CAUSE SOMEBODY, A RESIDENT ASKED ME REACHED OUT 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THEY SAW ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THIS IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL. I'M LIKE, NO, IT'S A, IT'S A DAYCARE. AM I WRONG IN THINKING THIS IS NOT A DAYCARE, THIS IS DAYCARE. CORRECT. RIGHT. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO THEY'RE NOT RUNNING SCHOOLS DURING THE DAY. IT'S NOT, THIS IS AFTERSCHOOL CARE FOR THE OLDER KIDS AND IT'S ALL DAYCARE, JUST LIKE ANY, SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHILDCARE AND DAYCARE AND CODE OR IS IT JUST INTERCHANGEABLE? NOT IN OUR CODE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT EVEN ON THE STATE LEVEL, THERE'S A PARTICULAR DIFFERENCE. IT SOMETIMES IT'S JUST THE LEVEL, LIKE HOW IT'S STRUCTURED AND HOW THEY PROVIDE THE CARE, WHATEVER THE BRAND. YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THERE'S, UM, YEAH, IT'S A DIFFERENCE. DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE IF IT'S A SCHOOL, A SCHOOL SETTING VERSUS A CHILD DAYCARE. BUT THIS IS PROPOSED AS CHILDCARE. CHILDCARE, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED AS. JUST A DIFFERENT ORDER. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, AMBER, THANK YOU. WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND, UH, PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL [02:10:01] INFORMATION THEY'D LIKE FOR US TO HAVE. AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. HI THERE. MY NAME IS AMY AYERS AND I ACTUALLY LIVE IN BEDFORD. SO I'M AT 2 0 4 STANFORD DRIVE IN BEDFORD. AND I AM REPRESENTING THE PILLARS. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER. AND YOU DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHILDCARE AND DAYCARE. THEY'RE ONE AND THE SAME. HOWEVER, OUR TEACHERS DON'T APPROVE OR DO NOT LIKE THE WORD DAYCARE. . UM, IN OUR WORLD, THE DAY TAKES CARE OF ITSELF. WE'RE EDUCATORS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE DIFFERENCE. IT'S THE SAME THOUGH. IT'S CHILDCARE FOR THE, UH, THE YOUNGER CHILDREN. SO, OKAY. I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SURE. IF I DID THE MATH CORRECTLY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 10 TO 11 KIDS PER TEACHER? DEPENDS ON THE AGE GROUP. YES SIR. THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO TELL ME. YES, SIR. SO HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE THE DIFFERENT LEVELS? THE LEVELS, THE AGE GROUPS? YES, SIR. OKAY, SO IT'S BASED OFF OF THE STATE RATIOS. RIGHT? SO THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS CERTAIN RATIOS WHICH ARE HIGHER THAN MOST. UM, SO FOR AN INFANT ROOM, IT'S ONE TO FOUR. SO ONE TEACHER PER FOUR CHILDREN. OKAY. FOR, AND THAT'S, UM, ZERO TO, UH, 12 MONTHS. SO SIX WEEKS TO 12 MONTHS BASICALLY. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GO UP, SO YOU'RE GONNA GO FROM 12 TO 18, THAT'S A ONE TO FIVE RATIO. AND THEN 18 TO 24 IS A ONE TO 11. AND THEN IT JUST GOES FROM THERE. SO THREE TO SO THREES, IT'S GONNA BE ONE TO 15, SAME THING FOR WITH YOUR FOUR YEAR OLDS AND THEN YOUR SCHOOL AGE. UM, SO THEN ONCE YOU GET INTO SCHOOL AGE, IT'S ONE TO 22. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ABSOLUTELY, WERE ON THE SAME PAGE. ABSOLUTELY. . SHE PASSED. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. NO, I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. I, WE'LL OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. SEE WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. CARDS? NO CARDS. MAYOR. OKAY. MR. HUTCH AND WRITER, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. DORIAN, I'LL SECOND THAT. GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MR. SHA? WELL, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DIS DISCUSSION, I FOR A CHANGE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CASE. OKAY. GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE MR. HUTCHER RIDER. SECOND. GOT A MOTION. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR FOR APPROVAL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. ITEM [9. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-30, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL ON A 3.5-ACRE LOT CURRENTLY ZONED O-M OFFICE WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS, LOCATED WITHIN AN EXISTING 28,939 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT 2101 WATERVIEW PKWY, ON THE WEST SIDE OF WATERVIEW PKWY, SOUTH OF TATUM STREET. ] NINE, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE. 24 DASH 30. REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL LOCATED AT 2101 WATERVIEW PARKWAY. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, DEREK IS GOING TO STAFF THE CITY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, MAYBE TO MAKE COMMENTS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. SO, DEREK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT SIDE IS AT 2101 WATERVIEW PARKWAY. THIS IS NORTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF CAMPBELL AND WATERVIEW. THE PROPERTY IS ON OM OFFICE AND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH OFFICES AS WELL. TO THE NORTHWEST IS A CHILDCARE CENTER AND TO THE EAST ACROSS WATERVIEW PARKWAY IS THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT DALLAS CAMPUS. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL. AND THE APPLICANT TONIGHT IS MESORA HIGH SCHOOL FOR GIRLS. SO THIS IS THE SITE TODAY. THIS SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 1998 WITH A ONE STORY 23,500 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING. AROUND THAT TIME IT WAS GRANTED A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THE ITT TECHNICAL TRAINING INSTITUTE. AND TODAY IT IS OCCUPIED BY A NURSING SCHOOL AND THAT NURSING SCHOOL WILL VACATE AND THE OCCUPANT AND THE APP, THE APPLICANT WILL OCCUPY THE BUILDING AND BE THE ONLY OCCUPANT. SO HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THAT SITE TODAY, LOOKING AT THE SOUTH AND THE WEST. OKAY. SO THE APPLICANT IS WITH MESORA HIGH SCHOOL. THEY'LL BE RELOCATING THEIR FROM THEIR DALLAS CAMPUS TO RICHARDSON. UH, THEY HAVE SO THAT THEY OFFER A RIGOROUS JEWISH EDUCATION IN ADDITION TO A, UH, PREPARA COLLEGE PREPARATORY PROGRAM, A COMPREHENSIVE SECULAR COLLEGE PREPARATORY PROGRAM, AS WELL AS PART OF THEIR STUDIES. HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY FROM 8:25 AM TO 5:00 PM FRIDAYS WILL BE HALF DAYS THAT CONCLUDE AT 12:45 PM AND THEY'LL HAVE OCCASIONAL EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES ON SITE ON SUNDAYS. THEY EXPECT DURING PEAK HOURS FOR DROP OFF AND DISMISSAL IN THE AFTERNOON, WHICH WILL BE 7:30 AM TO EIGHT 15. AND THEN AROUND 5:00 PM IN THE AFTERNOON. THEY EXPECT [02:15:01] A MAXIMUM OF 40 CARS TO BE ON SITE TO DROP OFF STUDENTS. THEY DID SUBMIT A TRIP GENERATION MEMO, UH, WHICH SHOW A TRIP GENERATION MEMO, WHICH ALSO SHOWED ONSITE CIRCULATION AND QUEUING. SO ALL OF THOSE CARS CAN QUEUE ON SITE ALSO AS PART OF A CONDITION OF THIS SPECIAL PERMIT. UH, SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY INCLUDE WITH PRIVATE SCHOOLS IS TO ASK THAT DEVELOPER TO COME BACK AFTER A YEAR CONCLUDES TO SHOW US AN UPDATED CIRCULATION PLAN AND TO SEE IF THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED ON THEIR TRAFFIC PLANS SO THAT THAT COULD BE REEVALUATED AFTER A YEAR. THERE ARE TWO DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE ENTRANCES TO THE SITE. ONE OFF OF WATERVIEW TO THE EAST AND ONE OFF OF JOHNSON BOULEVARD TO THE WEST. THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WILL BE CONSIDERED THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING FACING JOHNSON. THAT'LL BE THE MAIN POINT OF ENTRY. AND THE CARS THAT ARE ARRIVING FOR ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL WILL ENTER FROM JOHNSON BOULEVARD ON THE WEST. THEY WILL BE INSTRUCTED NOT TO INTERVIEW ENTER FROM WATERVIEW PARKWAY. UH, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO, UH, A REQUIREMENT FOUND IN THE CODE AS IT RE RELATES TO FENCES. FENCES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE PAST THE FRONT WALL OF A BUILDING. HOWEVER, THEY ARE SEEKING, THEY ARE SEEKING TO PROVIDE A SECURED CAMPUS WITH A SIX FOOT TALL WROUGHT IRON STYLE FENCE. SO THAT'S SHOWN IN BLUE ON THE IMAGE ON THE WESTERN SIDE. ON THE JOHNSON BOULEVARD SIDE. IT'LL, IT'LL BE ABOUT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT AND ENC CLOSES AT ABOUT HALF OF THE PARKING LOT. AND THEN IT'LL, IT'LL RUN ALONG THE PERIMETERS OF THE SITE ON THE WATERVIEW SITE. IT'LL BE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON WATERVIEW, BUT IT WILL BE PULLED BACK ABOUT 10 FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK. UM, THE OTHER SITE MODIFICATION THAT THEY WILL BE MAKING IS TO ADD A REQUIRED STORM SHELTER. SO SCHOOLS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A STORM SHELTER. WHAT THEY'LL BE ADDING IS A PREFABRICATED HUT STYLE STORM SHELTER STRUCTURE. IT'S SHOWN HERE IN THE TOP LEFT, UM, IT'S KIND OF A DOME SHAPED STRUCTURE. IT'S ONLY EIGHT FEET TALL AND 800 SQUARE FEET. THEY TOOK A LOOK AT WHERE THEY COULD LOCATE THIS ON THE SITE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. ON THE WATERVIEW SIDE, THERE ARE NOT WATER LINES AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO ACCESS AND THIS BUILDING DOES NEED TO BE PUMPED. THERE ARE WATER LINES ON THE WEST SIDE CLOSER TO JOHNSON BOULEVARD. UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME UTILITY EASEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE, THE SOUTH SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE THAT WOULD, UH, PRECLUDE THE STRUCTURE FROM BEING LOCATED THERE. SO THE APPLICANT HAS FOUND THAT THIS AREA, IT'S SHOWN IN RED ALONG JOHNSON BOULEVARD, IS THE BEST PLACE TO LOCATE THAT BUILDING. SO AS A CONDITION OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WE WOULD HAVE ASKED THAT THEY ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG JOHNSON BOULEVARD TO FURTHER SCREEN THAT BUILDING. SO WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIRED PARKING RATIO FOR SCHOOLS. HOWEVER, THE SITES PROVIDING 195 PARKING SPACES. AND IN SUMMARY, AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING ON DECEMBER 3RD, THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT. AND THAT'S FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH REPRESENTING THE, THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE THAT OWN THE UTD CATHOLIC CENTER THAT IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH. AND THE NEIGHBOR OF THIS SITE, YOU RECEIVED ONE LETTER SIGNED BY THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, BILL KEFLER. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. SO THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AS WELL. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. CHU? UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE STORM SHELTER. UH, DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STORM SHELTER, IT COULD BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE MULTIPURPOSE, ALL OTHER? I BELIEVE IT COULD. IT COULD BE. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STAYING LIKE STANDBY ON THE SIDE. NO, TECHNICALLY THIS COULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER IF THEY WANT TO, UH, YES. CLOSER, PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. PROBABLY MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE EASY FOR THE KIDS TO GO TO THE STORM SHELTER FASTER, UH, AND MORE EASILY. BECAUSE IF THEY START HAVING TRO AND OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO THE STORM SHELTER COULD BE BUT ISSUE. BUT THAT'S TOTALLY A DESIGN ISSUE. NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR APPROVAL OR NOT APPROVAL. THINGS. THEY DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR A TRAVEL DISTANCE FOR STORM SHELTERS. AND THEY, THEY DO MEET THAT WITH THIS PROPOSAL. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. AND HOW ABOUT THE FENCE? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE REASON THAT WE COULD NOT HAVE TYPICALLY DON'T ALLOW FENCE? AGAIN, THE SAME TYPICAL QUESTION THAT I ASKED THAT I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WHY YOU TYPICALLY PREVENT FENCES? JUST FROM [02:20:01] THE VISUAL. FROM THE VISUAL ASKED THAT. JUST FOR THE VISUAL. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT TO ME, I THINK FENCE IS GOOD. TO HAVE A FENCE IS, UH, GIVES SECURITY TO THE CHILDREN. UH, STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, MUCH BETTER. UH, SO, AND THEY CAN GO OUT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, MATURITY. SO IF THE FENCE WAS INSIDE THE, I MEAN FENCE WAS OUTSIDE THE SHELTER, WOULD NOT BE THAT BETTER? OR IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION? I KNOW THE TRAVEL DISTANCE. HOW ABOUT THE, THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN GATE WITHIN THE FENCE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO THROUGH THAT FENCE DIRECTLY. AND THE HOW ABOUT THE FENCE THAT'S GONNA CAUSE ANY ISSUE, LIKE THE PARKING, I KNOW THAT YOU PARK, PEOPLE PARK AND THEY TRY TO GO MM-HMM . WHERE IS THE WHEEL STOP? UH, IS THERE ANY ISSUE FOR THAT OR? I THINK WITH WHAT THEY HAVE HERE WITH THE EXISTING PARKING, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM FOR A FULL-SIZE CAR THERE STILL. SO THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS, IT DOES NOT CAUSE ANY ISSUE ON THOSE. THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE FOR THE PARKING. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF IT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE LIKE THAT AND, UH, THE STORM SHELTER, DEFINITELY. IS THIS A PRE-FABRICATED YES. OFFSITE IN ARKANSAS, I BELIEVE. AND THAT'S TESTED AND RATED AND, AND FOUNDATION IS ANCHORED. MM-HMM . STORM RATED AND OKAY. GOOD CONCEPT. GOOD IDEA. I THINK I WAS, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. I I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION. THANKS. THANK YOU MR. HUTCH RIDER. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANT TO JUMP ON AND, AND I GUESS, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE AS TO HOW MANY STUDENTS? UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON HERE ACTUALLY. UH, BUT THEY ESTIMATE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH 60 STUDENTS AND MAKE IT UP TO 120 STUDENTS. AND THAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THE STORM SHELTER IS 120 STUDENTS. IF THEY DID WANT TO EXCEED 120 STUDENTS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE ANOTHER STORM SHELTER FOR THAT. BUT, SO MY QUESTION IS, SO YOU GET 120 STUDENTS IN THERE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE STAFF? THEY'RE LEFT ON THEIR OWN . I DON'T THINK THAT, SO I MEAN, I, I MEAN I, I'VE GOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS MR. HERCHER. I, I, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO COVER THAT A LOT BETTER, IF THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, I I, I STILL HAVE, AND I, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I WANNA JOIN ON TO WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAID AND AGREE. I, I HAVE REAL CONCERNS WITH THAT. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FENCE THERE, AND LET'S SAY THEY GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE, LET'S JUST SAY A HUNDRED STUDENTS TRY TO GET A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED STUDENTS OUTTA THE BUILDING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT WITH A FENCE WITH, IF THERE'S JUST GONNA BE A PEDESTRIAN GATE THERE, TRYING TO GET THEM THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY OUR STORMS COME UP, HAIL STARTS, I MEAN, HEAVY RAIN STARTS, HAIL STARTS UP, AND THEN IF THERE IS TORNADIC ACTIVITY THAT'S COMES, IT'S NOT LIKE THE TORNADO COMES UP. AND SO I, I JUST HAVE REAL CONCERNS. IT, IT MAY MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE. I JUST HAVE CONCERNS WITH WHERE THE LOCATION IS AND I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE FROM A PURE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, A, FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE DISTANCE. B, HAVING THAT FENCE THERE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT, IF IT I QUESTION, COULD WE NOT? AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WATER AND ALL THAT IS, BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY WATER CAN BE, CAN BE, UH, PIPED IN. COULD WE NOT HAVE THAT STORM SHELTER INSIDE THE FENCE? AT LEAST THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. YEAH. IS ONE AREA THAT WAS LOOKED AT. THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT AS TO WHETHER THAT'S STILL AN OPTION. BUT THAT RIGHT HERE WHERE I'M SHOWING WAS ALSO A PROPOSED AREA. YEAH, I, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, ONE VOTE, BUT I'D FEEL A WHOLE LOT BETTER IF IT WAS INSIDE THE FENCE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED STUDENTS WHO ARE IN RAIN, HAIL, WHATEVER ELSE THAT WE GET IN, IN, IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY, TRYING TO GET THEM OUT OF THE BUILDING AND THROUGH ONE PAST, PAST GATE. IF I CAN USE THAT TERMINOLOGY OUT TO A STORM SHELTER, THAT, THAT HAS ME VERY, VERY CONCERNED. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE I, I STRUGGLE. SO I, I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE APPLICANT COMES UP, BUT I JUST WANTED, I WANTED TO JUMP ON WHILE THE MAYOR PRO TIMM HAD MENTIONED THAT, 'CAUSE THAT I HAVE A GREAT CONCERN WITH THAT. SO, JUST, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON YOUR, YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WHICH WAS THE, THE, THE STUDENTS VERSUS THE, UH, FACULTY OR THE TOTALITY OF, OF BOTH THE, THE, UH, STORM SHELTER? UH, THE RATING FOR THE NUMBER IS BASED ON THE, UM, MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH, UM, STUDENTS AND FACULTY AND TEACHERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, BUT NOT ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT IT SAYS 120 CAPACITY. SO IF WE HAVE A HUNDRED, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME. I'M SAYING THAT THE A HUNDRED, THE MA THE MAXIMUM I CAN SEE FOR THE BUILDING WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE MORE THAN 120. NO. THAT INCLUDES TEACHERS, RIGHT? JANITORS. SO TWO, OH, I, I SEE THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A STUDENT. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS. IT'S THE TOTAL MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S TIED TO THE ONE 20 AMBER'S [02:25:01] POINT IS, IS RIGHT. IF THEY DECIDE TO GO TO 1 21, THEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER A SECOND, UH, STORM SHELTER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE ANYTHING OVER THE ONE 20. SO THAT'S OKAY. I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. OR YEAH, MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I'M WITH COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN WRITER ON THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME AS WELL. UM, THE DISTANCE, COUPLE QUESTIONS ON CLARIFICATION. ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING ONE STORY BUILDING, THERE'S A SHADED AREA, I BELIEVE IT SAYS UNOCCUPIED BUILDING SPACE. SO THAT AREA IS OWNED BY THE, UH, SCHOOL, CORRECT? IT'S JUST NOT BEING DEVELOPED AT THIS TIME? CORRECT. OKAY. SO LET'S SAY THEY EXPANDED THAT AREA. NOW THEIR, UH, OCCUPANCY IS HIGHER. THEY CAN FIT MORE STUDENTS, MORE STAFF. WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME TO US TO ASK FOR LOCATION ON A SECOND SHELTER? YES. WHAT IS THE PROCESS? UNLESS THEY WERE TO BUILD A SHELTER INSIDE AND MAKE ALL OF THOSE MODIFICATIONS INSIDE. IF THEY'RE MODIFYING THE EXTERIOR OF THE SITE BY ADDING A STORM SHELTER TO SUPPORT THAT OCCUPANCY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. SO IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, WE WOULD APPROVE CURRENTLY THE, THAT SOUTHERN PART UNSHADED AREA AND THE WHERE THE RED SHELTER IS. SO THEY HAVE ROOM TO EXPAND. SO THEY WOULD EXPAND, THEN COME TO US ASKING FOR PERMISSION FOR A SECOND SHELTER, WHICH WOULD LIKELY BE TO THAT NEXT LITTLE PARKING SECTION THERE. BUT IT WOULD BE THE SEQUENCE OF THAT'S ACTUALLY REVERSED. THEY WOULD COME TO US AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO EXPAND AND THAT WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON THEM PROVIDING THE SECOND SHELTER. OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE SHELTER BEING THE BIGGEST ONE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS, UH, AS A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER MYSELF, IN MY DAY JOB, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO PUT A BUNCH OF KIDS WHO ARE VERY EXCITED, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE THEIR STUDENTS ARE WELL, MUCH BETTER BEHAVED . BUT, BUT IT IS, IT IS INTERESTING TO GET KIDS INTO A SHELTER. I'VE HAD TO DO THAT A COUPLE TIMES. UM, I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE FENCE. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SECURITY AND I, I, UH, ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT. BUT I, I AM STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE FENCE. UH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DID THEY THINK ABOUT PUTTING THE SHELTER? NOW I'LL ASK THAT TO THAT TO THE APPLICANT. BUT DID, DID THEY EVER COME TO YOU? I GUESS THE QUESTION TO YOU IS, DID THEY EVER COME TO YOU DISCUSSING AND MAYBE PUTTING THAT SHELTER ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT NORTH, UH, FACE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY OWNED BY THEM BUT NOT DEVELOPED BY THEM? THIS AREA? YEAH. LIKE UP AGAINST THE BUILDING IS THAT WAS A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT. OKAY. THAT IS SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ROOM UP AGAINST IN THAT GREEN AREA BETWEEN THE SHADED AREA AND THE YEAH. ACCESS SEASON. THERE'S JUST NO ROOM THERE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE, ALL THE QUESTIONS. I, UH, OH, I REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. OKAY. SO ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SHELTER, YOU SAID THEY WERE GONNA BE SHRUBS. THIS IS A 10 FOOT TALL BUILDING. I'M GUESSING THEY'RE LIKE THREE FOOT BOX SHRUBS, WHICH IS KIND OF STANDARD OF WHAT PEOPLE USE. IS THAT WHAT THE IDEA IS? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR. THEY HAVE SOME VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF THAT, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK, I KNOW LIKE A LOT OF TIMES IN APARTMENTS OR IN COMMERCIAL SPACE, I KNOW AT MY CHURCH WE HAVE THE, UM, KIND OF ENCLOSED AREA AROUND THE DUMPSTER BOXES TO KIND OF COVER IT, TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE. WAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK, MAYBE PUT IN A FENCE? 'CAUSE IF I'M DRIVING NORTH ON, WHAT IS THAT JOHNSON? UM, SEVEN FEET OF THAT IS STILL GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS BIG METAL DOME TYPE MM-HMM . WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE A GREENHOUSE. 'CAUSE IT DOES KIND OF LOOK LIKE A GREENHOUSE. UM, I'M ASSUMING IT'S SOME KIND OF STEEL PRODUCT. 'CAUSE IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND IT. IT STILL, YOU HAVE SEVEN FEET STICKING OUT, YOU KNOW, SIX, SEVEN FEET, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. STICKING OUT OF A THREE FOUR ABOVE A THREE OR FOUR FOOT SHRUB. UH, WAS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT MAYBE ENCLOSING THAT LIKE OUR CHURCH DID OUR DUMPSTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR MAYBE A THREE-WAY, OR EVEN A ONE-WAY ENCLOSURE OR TWO WAY TO WHERE IT COVERS ANYBODY DRIVING NORTH ON JOHNSON? YOU KNOW, MORE FOR THE APPEARANCE SIDE? NO. THAT, THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED? NO. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU MR. CHU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO GET LITTLE CLARIFICATION OF MY UNDERSTANDING. THE NEW BUILDING, THAT'S THE EXTENSION THAT THEY ARE SHOWING HATCH, WHICH IS NOT THERE. BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY DECIDED TO BUILD THAT AND THAT MADE THE CODE OF STORM SHELTER, THEY WOULD NOT NEED ANY ADDITIONAL STORM SHELTER. THE HATCHED AREA DOES EXIST TODAY. THEY'RE JUST NOT PROPOSING TO OCCUPY IT. OH, OKAY. SO THE FOOT, THE ORANGE FOOTPRINT YOU SEE IS THE EXISTING BUILDING. THE ENTIRE BUILDING. OKAY. SO THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO [02:30:01] CHANGE THE STRUCTURE TO MAKE IT, UH, YEAH. A STALL STORM SHELTER COMPLIANCE. IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMPLICATED TO RETROFIT A BUILDING TO BE A STORM SHELTER THAN THE, THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, THANK YOU MR. RUNNER. ONE LAST QUESTION, DEREK. YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING ONE STORY BUILDING. DO YOU SEE WHERE THAT IS? YEAH, IF YOU WENT STRAIGHT, KEEP GOING OUT WITH YOUR POINT. OKAY. RIGHT. WHOOP, COME BACK IN. COME BACK. RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING. MM-HMM . IS THERE SOME REASON THAT THE STORM SHELTER COULD NOT BE LOCATED THERE? IS THERE SOME, IS THERE ANY EASEMENT, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT, THAT WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN EASEMENT OR ANYTHING. I, I THINK THE WATER LINES MAY BE LIMITED THOUGH. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, WATER LINES CAN BE MOVED ALL OVER THE PLACE. YEAH. UM, WOULD THAT NOT BE MORE, UM, KIND OF TO COUNCILMAN BAR'S POINT? WOULD THAT NOT, WOULD THAT NOT BE MORE, I'M GONNA TRY YOUR WORDS. AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. IS THAT A, IS THAT A FAIR TERM? DOES THAT SOUND I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I'M, WELL YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE COMPLIMENTARY. UM, WOULD, WOULD THAT NOT BE MORE TUCKED IN AND, AND KIND OF OUT OF THE PUBLIC VIEW? IT IS HARD TO SAY, UH, IF IT WOULD BE MORE OR LESS, UH, SEEN FROM WATERVIEW, UH, IT IS MUCH FURTHER BACK, SO IT MAY BE A BETTER LOOK. OKAY. I, AND I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT. 'CAUSE I, I, I, UH, I, I, THAT STORM SHELTER, SO THERE'S MANY REASONS. I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT, IT KIND OF GIVES IT AN INDUSTRIAL FEEL VERSUS AN OFFICE FEEL. YEAH, YEAH. NO, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREEING WITH YOU AND I STILL HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT GETTING THE KIDS OUT THERE, SO, OKAY. COUNCILMAN HUT. I MEAN, IF THE DEREK COULD POINT TO THE, THE, UH, PARKING JUST RIGHT THERE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, I MEAN, SO TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, THE VIEW IS BLOCKED BY BUILDINGS. OH, OKAY. MM-HMM . YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE, AND IS THAT A, I, I CAN'T SEE. I THINK IT, YEAH, CHARLES WAS SAYING THAT'S AN EASEMENT, SO, OH, IS THAT AN EASEMENT? YEAH. WELL THANKS CHARLES, DON CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL ASK YOU APPLICANT. THANK YOU, DEREK. I APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY, DEREK, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND FILL IN SOME GAPS FOR US. IF Y'ALL WOULD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WELL, GOOD EVENING. I'M MARGOT MURPHY. I'M WITH BALDWIN ASSOCIATES AT 39 0 4 ELM STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 7 5 2 2 6. I'M HONORED TO BE HERE, UM, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MASO SCHOOL. I'VE ASKED THE, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A TEAM PRESENTATION TODAY TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR GOOD QUESTIONS. WE ANTICIPATED THEM. SO BUCKLE YOUR SEAT BELTS AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH, AND I THINK HOPEFULLY WE'LL SATISFY YOU WITH OUR PRESENTATION. BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO A TEAM PRESENTATION. UH, I'VE GOT THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, DON GOLDSTEIN'S HERE, THE, UH, HEADMASTER OF THE SCHOOL, RABBI KOWSKI HERE, AND THE ARCHITECT DALE RHODES. SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME VERY PROFESSIONAL, UH, SPOT ON ANSWERS. WE ALSO KNOW IT'S LATE, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION. AND IF YOU THINK YOU'VE SEEN ENOUGH, GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME A SIGNAL. WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S JUST NO PRIDE OF AUTHORSHIP HERE. SO, UM, THANK YOU, UH, AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE. HONORABLE MAYOR, HONORABLE MAYOR, PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. SO IT'S A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT. THERE IS THE AREA OF REQUEST. IT'S A PRETTY BIG AREA OF REQUEST, AND THERE IS, UM, A CLOSEUP. AND YOU'LL NOTICE, AND THERE IS A, HOW DO I DO THIS? UH, WHAT DO I PRESS FOR THE, UH, OKAY. GREEN LITTLE THING. OKAY, I'LL GET BACK TO THE MICROPHONE. AND THAT'S THE CREEK AREA THERE. SO WE DON'T HAVE, WE'VE KIND OF SHOWN EXACTLY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. SO THERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING, IT'S AN OM OFFICE, IT'S IN THE LENNOX CENTER. WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE? OFFICE, BANK, CHURCH, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, RESEARCH LABS, AND FACILITIES. NOTABLY, A SCHOOL, A PAROCHIAL SCHOOL WHEN LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT AS A CHURCH OR A SPONSORING RELIGIOUS AGENCY IS ALLOWED. UM, THEY'VE GOT YARD LOT AND SPACE REGULATIONS. WE MEET 'EM, NOTABLY OUR FRONT SET, OUR FRONT SETBACK. THE BUILDING IS FI AT 50 FEET. THE REQUIRED SETBACK UNDER THE CODE IS 30. OKAY. SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. UM, WE COULD GO TO A MAXIMUM BAIT STORIES AND 130 FEET AND HEIGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S THERE. UM, AND THAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING. SO WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR, UH, A PRIVATE SCHOOL. YOU GUYS HAVE ZONED IN ON THE TWO BIG REQUESTS, THE FENCE WITH GATES AND A STORM SHELTER. AND IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, I'M GONNA SAY BIG SIGH OF RELIEF. TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE BETTER THERE THAN IT EVER HAS BEEN. UM, THIS THE SCHOOL CARPOOLS AND IT'S A VERY SMALL SCHOOL, AND I [02:35:01] CAN GET TO THAT. UM, IN A MINUTE, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE RABBI KOWSKI. HE'LL GIVE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND HE'LL GO THROUGH THE SCHOOL. RABBI. HI. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. BARRY KOWSKI, 61 14 PRESTON CREST LANE IN DALLAS. I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT TEACHERS AND SUCH. I'LL BE LOOKING NEXT YEAR FOR MORE. UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, 66 STUDENTS. UM, WE LOOK, WE SEE OUR ENROLLMENTS. 120 IS A DREAM AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UH, WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE, UH, IN OUR CURRENT FACILITY FOR 18 YEARS, AND WE'RE UP TO 66. WE'RE PROJECTING OUT IN A FEW YEARS TO HIT 90, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. SCHOOL IS, AS WAS SAID BEFORE, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 8 25 TO FIVE FRIDAY, 8 25 TO 1245, AND OCCASIONAL ACTIVITIES ON WEEKENDS. OUR CURRENT STAFF IS, UH, 20, UM, ADMINISTRATION AND FACULTY. NOT ALL THERE AT THE SAME TIME. SOME JUST TEACH IN THE MORNING, SOME JUST TEACH IN THE AFTERNOON. CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE, UM, FOUR FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBERS. UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE IS MINIMAL TRAFFIC. THE FAMILIES DO CARPOOL. I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT, UM, 15 OR 20 DRIVERS AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE WHEN THE, UH, THE STUDENTS DRIVE, IT'S, UH, MOSTLY THE OLDER STUDENTS IF THEY DO HAVE CARS AND THOSE STUDENTS CARPOOL AS WELL. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, THE CURRENT SITE HAS BEEN HOME TO A SCHOOL SINCE, WELL, THEY GOT A, A SPECIAL PERMIT IN 1997, BUT I BELIEVE THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WAS ISSUED IN 1998. SO THE ITT TECHNICAL INSTITUTE WAS THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND NOW TCS EDUCATION HAS BEEN THERE IN THE FORM OF THE CHICAGO, UH, INSTITUTE OF PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOLOGY AND NURSING. UM, THE ENROLLMENT AT THE CURRENT CHICAGO SCHOOL, BY WAY OF COMPARISON, IS 276 STUDENTS ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THERE'S ON AVERAGE OF 90 STUDENTS ON CAMPUS. THAT'S MORE THAN THE MASUR SCHOOL COULD, UH, ENVISION IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THEY HAVE WEEKEND STUDENTS OF 125 PLUS. AGAIN, THE MASORI SCHOOL DOESN'T EXPECT TO OPERATE ON SCHOOL ON WEEKENDS. THE TRAFFIC AT THE CHICAGO SCHOOL, I, I WENT, I WALKED IN THERE AND I ASKED THEM, THEY SAID, YEAH, ALL OF OUR STUDENTS, THEY DRIVE TO SCHOOL. SO IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT, UH, USE, UH, AS COMPARED TO, UH, THE PROPOSED SCHOOL. HERE IS A SITE PLAN. UM, AND YOU ALL ASK A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA LET THE PROFESSIONALS, UH, ANSWER, BUT WE HAVE REASONS FOR WHERE THE FENCES AND WHERE THE STORM SHELTER IS. SO LET'S START WITH WHY OFFENSE AND WHY WILL OFFENSE GO WHERE IT GOES. SO I'M GONNA INTRODUCE DON GOLDSTEIN, CHAIR OF THE BOARD. HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DON GOLDSTEIN. I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF BESA. UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1 1 9 3 9 QUINCY LANE IN DALLAS, 9 9 5 2 3 0. UM, MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I'M, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERING THIS. UM, BEFORE I TALK ABOUT DEFENSE, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY, UH, THESE GIRLS, UH, GREW UP HERE. UH, MANY OF THEM ARE IN THIS AREA, UM, FROM NORTH DALLAS UP TO PLANO. UM, THEY'RE MOVING FROM, FROM AN OFFICE BUILDING THE BASEMENT OF AN OFFICE BUILDING WHERE THERE ARE NO WINDOWS. WHEN THEY WERE IN THE DAY SCHOOL BEFORE THAT, AT TORAH DAY SCHOOL, THEY HAD NO WINDOWS THERE. THIS IS THEIR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN A SCHOOL WITH WINDOWS. UM, I I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS FOR THESE GIRLS TO BE ABLE TO SEE OUTSIDE. UH, BUT IN TERMS OF THE FENCE, WE HAVE, UM, A SECURITY DIRECTOR OF SECURITY FOR THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF GREATER DALLAS. HIS NAME IS BILL HUMPHREY. UM, HE WAS OUR CONSULTANT. UM, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING. SECURITY. UM, WE ARE A JEWISH SCHOOL. UM, WE ARE AN ORTHODOX RELIGIOUS JEWISH SCHOOL. AND, UH, THESE GIRLS, THEY'RE TEENAGE GIRLS, THEY'RE IN HIGH SCHOOL. UM, WE, HE ACTUALLY WANTED A HIGHER FENCE. WE SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THAT. WE WANT IT TO BE JUST A SIX FOOT FENCE. BUT WE DO HAVE A, WE DO WANT THE FENCE. UM, WE ALSO WILL HAVE A GUARD AT THE SCHOOL. THIS IS JUST SOMETHING UNFORTUNATELY, UM, OUR SCHOOL NEEDS NOW IN THIS, IN THIS TIME. AND SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, TO THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A FENCE, THERE WILL BE A GUARD AT THE SCHOOL DURING SCHOOL HOURS. UM, IT'S SIMILAR TO OTHER FENCES IN THE AREA. UM, I HEARD THE CONCERN ABOUT THE FENCE AND THE EGRESS FROM THE SCHOOL INTO THE STORM SHELTER. WE CAN BUILD, WE CAN MAKE THAT OPENING TO THAT FENCE, UM, FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH AS LARGE AS WE NEED IT. IT CAN BE A DOUBLE, UM, GATE FOR, FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. IT'S WELL INSIDE OF [02:40:01] THE, UH, UM, DISTANCE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. UM, SO I THINK WE CAN GET PAST THAT CONCERN, BUT WE, WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT FENCE WHERE IT IS. AND THERE ARE REASONS THAT, UM, OUR ARCHITECT CAN GO INTO AS TO WHY WE HAD TO PUT IT THERE FOR, UM, DIFFERENT REASONS. SO, UM, THE YELLOW HERE IS THE FENCE WE'RE PROPOSING. INITIALLY WE MAY, IF WE HAVE THE FUNDS, UM, EXTENDED TO THAT GREEN AREA IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT SINCE THE GIRLS WILL BE COMING IN FROM THAT SIDE, THAT'S THE AREA WE FELT WE NEEDED TO SECURE INITIALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND LIKE MR. GOLDSTEIN SAID, MR. RHODES IS GONNA COME UP, UM, AND TELL YOU WHY THE FENCES WHERE IT IS. DALE, YOU WANNA COME UP AND DO THAT. UM, AND WHILE HE'S COMING UP, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THERE ARE OTHER FENCES IN THE LENNOX CENTER. I WENT AND TOOK PHOTOS OF THEM MORE THAN YOU THINK, OR MAYBE, I MEAN, THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM. SO THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE BIG LENNOX BUILDING HEADQUARTER OF LENNOX. THIS IS PARKSIDE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S THE FENCE THAT EXISTS THERE. AND SO WHAT, UH, MASO INTENDS TO DO IS IT PROPOSES TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR. UM, THE PRIMROSE SCHOOL, WHICH IS ACROSS, UH, JOHNSON BOULEVARD, HAS A, A TALL FENCE, SIX FOOT FENCE AGAIN THERE. THE MASONRY WALL AT VOY LANDING IS NEARBY. I ACTUALLY THINK THE, UH, THAT THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE OR THE, THE DECORATIVE FENCE IS VERY ATTRACTIVE AS COMPARED TO A MISSIONARY WALL. IF YOU GO DOWN WATERVIEW, THE DALLAS INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL SECURES ITS ENTIRE CAMPUS WITH A FENCE AND ALSO JUST DOWN THE STREET, THE FITZ SUSU CAMPUS ALSO HAS A FENCE. SO AGAIN, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA STAND OUT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH BLENDING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, YOU ASKED VERY GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY IS THE FENCE GONNA BE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED WHERE IT IS. AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MR. DALE RHODES SO HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME IS DALE RHODES. I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. MY ADDRESS IS 1 7 7 7 6 PRESTON ROAD IN DALLAS. AND SO, UM, WHILE, UH, DEREK WAS UP, UM, UH, GIVING HER PRESENTATION, UH, MANY OF YOU ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND I HOPE I CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS. BUT JUST TO MAYBE LEAD INTO, UM, UH, WHAT MARGO WAS SAYING, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS FENCE RIGHT HERE IS BECAUSE THE EXISTING SITE, UH, TO THE NORTH, UH, AND ALSO ALONG THIS SITE RIGHT HERE, THERE IS A DEDICATED MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT THAT IS BEING SHARED WITH THE CATHOLIC CENTER. UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CATHOLIC CENTER ABOUT MAYBE LETTING US EXTEND THE FENCE ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGES OF THE SITE, BUT THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO GIVE UP THIS MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT. SO WE OPTED FOR JUST KIND OF SPLITTING THE, UH, PARKING RIGHT HERE, PROVIDING A GATE RIGHT HERE. THIS WOULD BE THE MAIN GATE. IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A ELECTRONIC GATE WITH ACCESS CONTROLS, AND THEN THE FENCE CONTINUES ON AND GOES TO THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE. SO, UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THERE WAS A, THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE GATE, UM, GOING THROUGH HERE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CURRENTLY A THREE FOOT GATE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING CODE GIVES CALCULATIONS FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN GET THROUGH, UH, A CERTAIN OPENING. AND THIS GATE, IT'S JUST LIKE A, IT IS JUST LIKE A DOOR IN A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S EVER A FIRE, THERE'S A PANIC TO GET OUT OF THE, THE BUILDING. SO THIS GATE, UH, IS SIZED FOR 180 PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH THE GATE AND THERE WOULD BE PANIC HARDWARE ON THAT GATE. SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT, THEY WOULD JUST SIMPLY PUSH ON THAT PANIC HARDWARE AND CONTINUE MOVING. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, OPEN A LATCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, WE CITED THE STORM SHELTER RIGHT HERE. UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL O UH, OPTIONS. UH, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL SPOT AND THE TRUTH IS IT WOULD BE AN IDEAL SPOT. UH, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST SPOT WE LOOKED AT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE'S A EXISTING UTILITY, UTILITY EASEMENT ALL ALONG THIS PART OF THE SITE. AND THAT PREVENTS US FROM PUTTING A STORM SHELTER RIGHT HERE. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CROSS THE UTIL EASEMENT. UM, IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL SPOT, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THAT SPOT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT, THAT SLIDE THAT HAS THE SITE PLAN ON IT, BUT, UH, LET'S KIND OF GO THROUGH. BUT THE, THE, I'LL GO BACK TO TRACK. OKAY. . OKAY. SORRY. IT IS PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY LIKE IN THERE. SO, OH, THERE YOU GO. WELL, MAYBE THAT'S NOT IT, BUT WHICH, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? WELL, I THOUGHT THERE IT IS. OKAY, SO, SO [02:45:01] AGAIN, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE STORM SHELTER WITH THE BIG ARROW LINE. AND, UH, SO WE LOOKED AT THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE, UH, AND IF WE PUT IT RIGHT HERE, IT WILL SIT DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THAT EXISTING SEWER LINE. OUR CIVIL ENGINEER ADVISED US NOT TO PUT IT THERE, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO REROUTE THE SEWER LINE AROUND THE STORM SHELTER. AND, UH, HE WASN'T SURE IF WE HAD ENOUGH SLOPE IN THAT SEWER LINE TO DO THAT. SO THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF REWORK OF THAT EXISTING SEWER LINE. UH, IN ADDITION, IF WE CITED IT RIGHT HERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY SAW, CUT AND REMOVE A PORTION OF THIS PARKING LOT SO WE COULD PROVIDE THE KIND OF SCREENING THAT IS BEING REQUESTED BY THE CITY TO, UH, HELP SCREEN THIS STORM SHELTER. SO THAT REALLY WASN'T THE, THE EASIEST PLACE TO PUT THE STORM SHELTER. THIS RIGHT HERE WE THOUGHT IS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT A STORM SHELTER. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE WAY. IT'S VERY CLOSE TO UTILITIES. IT'S SIMPLY JUST A FEW FEET FROM THE, FROM THE SEWER LINE. UH, AND THEN IT'S JUST A, UM, JUST A QUICK JOG OVER HERE TO THIS EXISTING WATERLINE. WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO THE CITY ABOUT THAT, AND THEY, THEY AGREED, UH, THAT BOTH OF THESE ARE, ARE, ARE POSSIBLE. UM, AND THERE'S ALREADY A LANDSCAPING BERM RIGHT HERE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO, UH, SIMPLY PLANT, UH, SOME LANDSCAPE SCREENING, UH, KIND OF ALONG HERE TO, TO SCREEN THAT SHELTER. AND I THINK THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME THREE FOOT TALL BOXWOODS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT THERE. WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY, WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY PLANNING TO PUT OUT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME MEDIUM SIZED SHRUBS, UM, THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT FEET TALL, THAT ONCE THEY'RE MATURE, THEY WOULD COMPLETELY COVER THE STORM SHELTER. WE HAVE A RENDERING OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, BUT, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT HAVE COMPLETELY COVERED THE STORM SHELTER FROM VIEW WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN JOHNSON BOULEVARD. AND SO, JUST ONE OTHER THOUGHT IS THAT, UH, ANOTHER SUGGESTION WAS MADE TO, UM, LOCATE THE STORM SHELTER HERE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT. UH, THE FIRST REASON IS, IS THE PROXIMITY TO WATERVIEW PARKWAY THAT JUST RUNS RIGHT ALONG HERE. THIS THING WOULD BE COMPLETELY VISIBLE TO WATERVIEW PARKWAY. AND OUR THOUGHT WAS IS THAT BECAUSE WATERVIEW PARKWAY IS A KIND OF A MAIN COLLECTOR ROAD VERSUS A MORE OF A MINOR COLLECTOR ROAD OF JOHNSON BOULEVARD, WE THOUGHT SIDING IN ON JOHNSON BOULEVARD MIGHT BE MORE ACCEPTABLE. THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT WE'RE A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM THE SEWER LINE, WHICH IS OVER HERE. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS, IS THAT IF WE HAVE A STORM SHELTER SITTING RIGHT HERE, AND AS, UH, DON POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THEIR WINDOWS IN THEIR BUILDING. AND THIS WOULD BE JUST RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS BIG ROW OF WINDOWS RIGHT HERE. SO WHAT THEY WOULD SEE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOWS OF THIS CLASSROOM RIGHT HERE IS A, IS THE STORM SHELTER. SO, BUT THAT'S JUST A MINOR POINT, BUT THE, BUT AFTER ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS, WE STILL THINK THIS IS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THIS STORM SHELTER. AND AFTER WE LOOKED AT IT WITH A, UH, A RENDERING AND STUFF, WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS STORM SHELTER IS GONNA BE NOT VERY VISIBLE. AND ONE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, I THINK ON THE SITE PLAN, THIS THING IS SHOWN AS BEING WHITE IN COLOR. WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THIS INTO A DARK GRAY COLOR. AND SO ONCE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIKE THE TREES AND THAT SORT OF THING, THE SHADOWS AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND PLUS THE LANDSCAPE SCREEN IS GONNA HELP MAKE THIS THING DISAPPEAR. UH, REGARDING THE TRAVEL DISTANCE, THE, THE IBC, UH, THE ICC 500 IS THE CODE THAT GOVERNS STORM SHELTERS. IT SAYS A MAXIMUM OF A THOUSAND FEET TRAVEL DISTANCE. AND IT ALSO, AND IT ALSO SAYS THAT A A THREE TO FOUR MINUTE WALK TIME, UH, IS, IS KIND OF THE RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM OF, OF DISTANCE FROM, FROM A BUILDING TO AN EXTERIOR STORM SHELTER. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 214 FEET. I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU TO WALK 214 FEET, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S THAT LONG, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, 16-YEAR-OLD GIRLS. BUT, UM, AND SO, AND JUST ONE FINAL THOUGHT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING, I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT IT'S, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO RETROFIT IN, UH, AN EXISTING BUILDING, UH, WITH, UM, AN EXTERIOR STORM SHELTER, UM, OR WITH AN INTERNAL STORM SHELTER, I APOLOGIZE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE THIS, UH, EXTERIOR STORM SHELTER. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, UM, ANOTHER SCHOOL, UH, LOCATED IN MESQUITE THAT, UH, IT [02:50:01] WAS ALSO A RETROFIT, UM, A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN MESQUITE. AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY CHOSE THE STORM SHELTER AS WELL. SO THEY, THEY, IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING STORM SHELTER SIMILAR TO THIS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A GIVEN WALKING DISTANCE FROM A BUILDING. AND SO I GET WITH THAT, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS UNLESS MARGO WANTS TO CONTINUE. SO I'D LIKE TO KIND OF SUPPORT SOME OF THE, UM, THE TECHNICAL DETAILS THAT MR. RHODES DESCRIBED. SO HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A DRONE OR FLYING OVER, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THIS, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF WHAT THE STORM SHELTER WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE. THE, THE BEAUTY OF JOHNSON BOULEVARD, AND I, EXCUSE ME IF I'M REPEATING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SENT IN THAT LETTER THAT WAS SENT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THE BEAUTY OF JOHNSON, UH, PART OF IT IS THAT THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED FIRM THERE, AND IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY IT, IT'S GOT FIVE CANOPY TREES AND THE PLANTING SURFACE SURFACES RATHER WIDE. MR. RHODES AND I WENT OUT AND MEASURED IT LAST WEEK. UH, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS IT ALLOWS THE, THE TREES ARE FURTHER ALONG JOHNSON AND THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD PLANTING AREA, SO THAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU S SIGNIFICANT SOIL VOLUME TO PLANT A NICE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. AND, UM, WE DO INTEND TO PLANT SOMETHING OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT BOXWOOD. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT AT ALL. UM, AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT IT TO LOOK LIKE, THE VIEW LONG JOHNSON BOULEVARD. UH, SO WE SPENT SOME TIME AND, AND ASKED A, A, A SPECIALIST, A PROFESSIONAL TO CREATE IS A REALISTIC RENDERING. AND THIS IS A VIEW ALONG JOHNSON BOULEVARD. IF YOU'RE COMING IN, YOU'RE GONNA TURN IN TO THE SCHOOL THERE, THERE'S THE SCHOOL. AND THIS IS WHAT WE HOPE IT LOOKS LIKE, AND WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT IT BLENDS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A HARDER THING TO SCREEN. THERE ARE ALREADY TREES IN PLACE THERE. UM, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OTHER VIEWS. UH, THIS IS, IF YOU EXIT THE CATHOLIC CENTER, WHO WE ARE VERY PROUD HAS THROWN THEIR SUPPORT BEHIND THIS PROJECT, AND THEY HAVE ALSO SEEN THESE RENDERINGS. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE. AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE THE STORM SHELTER THERE. UM, SO HERE ARE PHOTOS OF OUR SITE. I THINK JUST REPEATING WHAT DEREK DID. HERE'S THE PHOTO OF THE ADJACENT CATHOLIC CENTER, AND I WANT YOU TO NOTICE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEHIND THAT SCREENING WALL RIGHT THERE? THEIR DUMPSTER. AND, UH, DALE AND I WENT AND MEASURED IT. OUR, OUR, UH, STORM SHELTER SHOULD BE NO TALLER THAN THAT HEDGE, SO IT'S A DOABLE THING. VERY, VERY DOABLE. UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL. UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES ACROSS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CREEK THERE OR THE, THE POND, UM, THEY WON'T GET MUCH, THEY WON'T SEE MUCH OF THE BUILDING. UM, WE DID HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING. WE REACHED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, SENT A WRITTEN LETTER AND WE SENT A LETTER. IT HAD INFORMATION. UM, RABBI KOWSKI AND I WENT TO THE LA MADELINE, BROUGHT SOME DRINKS AND SOME SNACKS AND SAT THERE AND WAITED AND WAITED AND WAITED. NO ONE SHOWED UP. LEMME GO BACK TO THE TRAFFIC. UH, AND NO ONE'S, NO ONE'S REACHED OUT TO US. AND WE HAD REALLY MADE AN AFFIRMATIVE EFFORT TO REACH OUT. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BY RECEIVING THE, UH, SUPPORT FROM MR. KEFLER, YOU KNOW, THAT WE REACHED OUT TO AND SPOKE TO THE CATHOLIC CENTER. UM, SO WE HAD, UH, ELIZABETH CROW TRAFFIC ENGINEERED, UH, REVIEWED THE SITE, THE CURRENT SITE AND, AND WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING, AND AGAIN, EVALUATED WHERE THEY GO. LESS THAN A HUNDRED VEHICLES TRIPS ARE ANTICIPATED EITHER AM OR PM AT PEAK HOUR. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY A, WE JUST DON'T EXPECT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC. UM, IT'S A ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE IS A LONG JOHNSON BOULEVARD. THEY'D COME IN ON JOHNSON CIRCLE INTO THAT DOOR, COME BACK AROUND AND OUT, AND IT'S A RIGHT TURN ONLY ONTO JOHNSON BOULEVARD. UM, WE DO NOT EXPECT ANY QUEUING IN THE PUBLIC WAY. PUBLIC RIGHT WAY. NONE. ZERO ELCH. AND, UH, YES, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, YOU KNOW HOW SCHOOLS WORK AND THERE'S ALWAYS QUEUING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT WAY? NOT HERE, NOT ANYTIME, NOT EXPECTED. UH, WE HAVE AMPLE PARKING SPACES. THERE ARE 208 PARKING SPACES ON SITE RIGHT NOW. BUT WITH ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE STORM SHELTER AND THE FENCE, UH, WE THINK WE'RE BEING GENEROUS WITH 189 PARKING SPACES TO REMAIN, OF WHICH NINE NINE WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE. UM, YOU DID ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE STORM SHELTER AND HOW FAR IT WOULD BE TO WALK. I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, THE STANDARDS CALL FOR A THOUSAND FEET AND, UH, THE GIRLS FROM THE SCHOOL WOULD WALK A QUARTER OF THAT DISTANCE AND WE THINK THEY'RE VERY CAPABLE OF DOING SO. UM, AND TO MR. RHODES' POINT, THOUGH, THE GATE IS WIDE ENOUGH TO ALLOW MORE THAN A SINGLE FILE TO GET THERE. UM, AND, UM, I WILL SAY JUST SECURITY [02:55:01] AND SAFETY OF THE STUDENTS OF THE MASSAU SCHOOL IS TOP OF MIND. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RISK THE LIVES OF THEIR STUDENTS OR THEIR STAFF. AND THE SCHOOL BELIEVES THAT IT CAN SATISFY, UM, SAFELY SATISFY THE STORM SHELTER REQUIREMENT, UM, AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION. UM, LET ME LOOK TO MY TEAM. DID, DID WE ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WERE ASKED? IF NOT, UM, WE'RE, WE STAND READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. UM, MR. BARRIOS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. QUESTION, UM, THIS QUESTION, RABBI, YOU'RE THE HEADMASTER. YES. I BELIEVE THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR YOU, RABBI. LET'S ASSUME THAT NOBODY ON THE COUNCIL ATTENDED A, UH, FEMALE JEWISH HIGH SCHOOL. AND LET'S ASSUME THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME PROBABLY HAVEN'T EITHER. SO WHEN I READ, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT, EVERYBODY ATTENDING WOULD HAVE TO SIGN A STATEMENT OF FAITH. SO THESE ARE MEMBERS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND, UM, SO THEY LEARN THINGS LIKE, I'M GUESSING THE TORAH AND HEBREW, AND THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE RELIGIOUS TYPE TEACHINGS. BUT THEN THE TERM SECULAR WAS USED THAT WOULD BE LIKE BIOLOGY, MATHS, ALGEBRA ONE, HISTORY, THOSE WHAT WE WOULD CALL COMMON CORE. IS THAT WHAT YEAH, WE'RE IN ACCREDITED SCHOOLS THROUGH, UM, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE NOT CALLED SOUTHERN ASSOCIATION ANYMORE, I DON'T THINK, BUT THEY KEEP RIGHT. COA. COA. OKAY. WE'RE ACCREDITED THROUGH COA, SO WE'RE A COLLEGE PREPARATORY SCHOOL. SO WE HAVE THE GENERAL STUDIES PROGRAM, WHICH IS ALL THOSE CORE COURSES IN ADDITION TO THE JUDAIC PROGRAM. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WOULD BE RECRUITING OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE NON-JEWISH COMMUNITY LIKE, LIKE ME? WELL, I'M MALE, BUT LET'S SAY A FEMALE WHO'S NON-JEWISH WOULD NOT BE ATTENDING, UH, YOUR SCHOOL. THIS IS SOMETHING GEN, RIGHT? CORRECT. PEOPLE HAVE APPROACHED AND THEN THEY ASK WHAT TUITION IS AND THEN WE DON'T HEAR FROM THEM ANYMORE. . OKAY. UM, THE, UH, IT'S, IT'S, WE HAVE A REALLY HAVE A FEEDER SCHOOL. YEAH. THE, THE, THE, UH, THE JEWISH DAY SCHOOL IS OUR FEEDER SCHOOL. SO THAT'S HOW WHEN WE PROJECT OUT, WE LOOK AT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE LOOKED AT THEIR NEXT 10 YEARS OF CLASSES AND FIGURE THE BIGGEST WE MIGHT HIT IS 90, BUT PEOPLE MOVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT THERE ARE A FREEDOM SCHOOL. WE DON'T EVEN REALLY RECRUIT OVER THERE. WE JUST, WE WHERE WE'RE, AND THIS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIG JEWISH, UH, AREA. A LOT OF, UH, YES. BIG JEWISH COMMUNITY IN THE, ON THE CANYON CREEK SIDE AND ALSO ON THE WEST SIDE. OF COURSE. REALLY ANYONE IS OPEN TO APPLY TO THE SCHOOL. YEAH. OKAY. UM, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE SHRUBS, THE TREES, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE WHERE, UH, OH, WHAT'S THAT? I FORGET THE NAME OF THE TREE. WE HAVE SOME IN MY BACKYARD. MY WIFE LOVES THEM. WHAT ARE THEY? NO, UM, ANYWAYS, I, I COULD SEE WHERE A EIGHT 10 FOOT TREE, SOMETHING THAT FLOWERS WOULD BE NICE AND COVER IT. SO THAT PART OF THAT OF MY CONCERN EARLIER ISN'T AS MUCH OF A CONCERN SEEING THAT. UM, FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU SAID, OR THE ARCHITECT I BELIEVE MENTIONED THAT THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA GET THE FENCE FIRST. AND THEN I REMEMBER READING IN THE PACKET, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL ARE APPLYING FOR GRANTS AND POSSIBLY A BUILDING THOUGH EAST SIDE FENCE. UM, THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FENCE ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, THE EAST SIDE FENCE IS SOMETHING I'M STRUGGLING WITH. IN ALL HONESTY, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KEEP ME FROM NOT VOTING, UH, UH, TOWARDS THIS. THAT IN ITSELF, I AM KIND OF CONCERNED. I THINK IF I WERE A PARENT OF ONE OF THESE YOUNG LADIES, I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, OKAY, HOW DO STORMS HAPPEN? RAIN, HAIL, AND THEN COMES A TORNADO SIREN. SO, YOU KNOW, IN THAT RAIN, IN THAT HAIL, THESE LADIES RUNNING, THESE YOUNG LADIES RUNNING FROM THE BUILDING OUTSIDE, UH, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS A PARENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE WITHIN REGULATIONS WITHIN STATE, UH, REQUIREMENTS. I'M A LITTLE UNEASY ABOUT IT. UM, BUT I FEEL AS FAR AS THE APPEARANCE YOU GUYS, UH, ARE DOING ABOUT AS GOOD AS ONE CAN EXPECT, IF NOT, UH, BETTER. SO I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO DO THERE. AND I APPRECIATE HEADMASTER'S, RABBI THAT, UH, YOU EXPLAINING THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T, UH, FAMILIAR AND WITH A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT CERTAIN SCHOOLS MOVING INTO OUR DISTRICT AND PULLING FROM OUR LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEMS. BUT THE FACT THAT, UM, THEY DO SOME HAVE TO, I GUESS, ATTEST TO BEING, UH, OF FAITH OR WILLING TO FOLLOW THE FAITH AND OR SOME SIGN COME SOME KIND OF STATEMENT OF FAITH, UM, THAT GREATLY LIMITS, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GO IN AND PULL OUT, YOU KNOW, TRY TO RECRUIT OUT OF THE FRONT DOOR OF PIERCE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS NEAREST HIGH SCHOOL. YEAH. NO ONE HAS TO MAKE AN A FROM, NO ONE HAS TO ATTEST, BUT RIGHT. THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED [03:00:01] ARE, ARE, ARE OF THE JEWISH FAITH. THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LEARN HEBREW ISU HALF, HALF DAY. CORRECT. STUDY THE TORAH AND, RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, RABBI. THANK YOU MR. HUTCHER RUNNER. SO QUESTION TO EITHER, UH, DEREK OR DON, CAN YOU, CAN Y'ALL GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE STORM, THE, UH, STORM DRAIN UTIL OH, THE UTILITIES? SURE. I'M HAPPY TO GO THE, UH, SO WE, YEAH, THE STORM, I THINK IT WAS A STORM DRAIN, NOT A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A STORM DRAIN OR A SEWER. OH, LEMME SEE. LEMME FIND IT. THE SEWER LINE THAT PINK AND PURPLE AND WE MADE 'EM NICE AND BOLD FOR YOU. THERE THEY ARE. SEWER LINE. SO THE BLUE LINE REPRESENTS A FRESH, THE WATER LINE. RIGHT. THE PURPLE LINE. SO THE, THE, MY QUESTION IS, IS LIKE TO STAFF, WOULD WE NOT ALLOW THAT STORM SHELTER TO BE OVER THAT, THAT, UM, SEWER LINE? IS THAT A, IS THAT A, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY? I, I, I CAN'T SEE IF THERE'S AN EASEMENT OR ANYTHING, BUT, UM, NO, I, I IT MAY BE MORE OF A CONSTRUCTION, UH, UH, ISSUE THAN IT IS A, UM, A EASEMENT ISSUE. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT KIND OF A FOUNDATION DOES THE, DOES THE, UH, UH, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND THE, THE FOUNDATION IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL. IT'S A 12 INCH THICK CONCRETE SLAB, UH, WITH REBAR. RIGHT. AND, UH, IT HAS GRADE BEAMS. AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT EXTRA HEAVY SLAB IS TO KIND OF RESIST THE PULL OF A TORNADO. WHEN THAT TORNADO COMES OVER, IT ACTUALLY EXERTS SUCTION AND IT WANTS TO PULL THAT RIGHT OUT OF THE GROUND. YEAH. SO THE, THE FOUNDATION IS FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL. AND, UH, THE OTHER REASON IS SHOULD THAT SEWER LINE EVER NEED MAINTENANCE OR REPLACEMENT, UM, THEN YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT STORM SHELTER AND GETTING UNDERNEATH IT TO REPLACE THAT SEWER LINE OR, OR FIX A BROKEN PIPE, FOR INSTANCE. SO, UH, COUNCILMAN, I, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE PROHIBITING IT, BUT I I DEFINITELY THE CITY. UM, BUT I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WITH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT PROBABLY ISN'T A BEST PRACTICE. OKAY. UH, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WERE ADVISED NOT TO DO IT BY OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. OKAY. GOING BACK FOR ONE SECOND, SOMETHING YOU SAID THAT, THAT CAUGHT MY EAR AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO PROFESSIONALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU, YOU SAID THAT'S GONNA BE A THREE FEET GATE. UH, IT COULD BE THE WHATEVER SIZE MAKES THE CITY FEEL COMFORTABLE. CURRENTLY, IT'S A THREE FOOT GATE. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE DOUBLE ACCESS OUT ON, ON A THREE FOOT GATE. THAT WAS WHAT WAS SAID. SO I, I HAVE, I, I STILL, I WANT TO SHARE COUNCILMAN BARRIOS IS I, I JUST, I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S WITHIN THE CODE AND ALL OF THAT, BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THAT BE A, OOPS, SORRY, DOUBLE SO THAT, SO THAT MORE STUDENTS COULD, COULD EXIT. BECAUSE LIKE, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD ASK IS, IS OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE, UM, OF SPECIAL NEEDS THAT MAY BE IN A WHEELCHAIR. AND SO TRYING TO, TO GET STUDENTS OUT OF THERE, I'M, I'M NOT COMFORT. I MEAN, IF, IF IT'S ULTIMATELY THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE STORM SHELTER HAS TO GO, I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AS MUCH OF ACCOMMODATION. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T THINK IT, IT, IT, UM, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? WEAKENS YOUR SECURITY PERIMETER BY PUTTING IN SOME TYPE OF DOUBLE EGRESS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE MORE STUDENTS COME THROUGH. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, IT'S ONE THING TO GO FROM A BUILDING TO A STORM SHELTER BECAUSE THERE'S A RISK OF A TORNADO, BUT SOME OF THE HAIL WE GET AROUND HERE, IT'S RISKY TO PUT SOMEONE OUT IN THAT HAILSTORM. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WILL BE. I JUST, IT JUST WOULD VERY MUCH CONCERN ME, UM, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A, A BIGGER OPENING THERE SO THAT MORE STUDENTS COULD GO THROUGH THERE AND NOT JUST LIMIT IT TO A THREE FOOT GATE. WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. COUNCILMAN? I, I HEAR YOU. AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT COMMENT, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE SPECIAL NEEDS, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE THAT. UM, AND, UM, AS, AS, AS, UH, HEAD OF THE BOARD, I, I WILL COMMIT THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE IF WE NEED TO SPEND THE EXTRA FUNDS TO DO THAT, WE WILL APPROVE IT. UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO STAND IN THE WAY OF PUTTING THESE GIRLS IN THIS INCREDIBLE FACILITY IN RICHARDSON. WE, WE, WE WANNA DO WHATEVER WE CAN, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO YES, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HONOR THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MRS. JUSTICE. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I AGREE. I THINK I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING ON SPECIAL NEEDS WITH A, A WHEELCHAIR. SO I THINK THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMITMENT. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. UM, I HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS AS COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. THERE WAS CONCERN SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAVE PRIVATE SCHOOLS, UH, COME BEFORE US ABOUT, UM, THE IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON RASD. I AGREE THAT THIS IS, UM, A HIGHLY SPECIALIZED SCHOOL AND IT'S NOT GONNA PULL AWAY FROM THE POPULATION. SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT CONCERN. [03:05:01] AND MY ONLY OTHER, I I, I'M IN SORT OF, UH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. I THINK THAT YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, UH, AS IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT, UM, AS A PARENT, YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT. IT, IT'S WELL WITHIN THE REGULATION. I MEAN, YOU CAN GO A THOUSAND FEET, YOU'RE AT 200 AND SOMETHING FEET, SO YOU'RE WELL WITHIN THAT. SO I, I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO SAY, MS. MURPHY, I THINK THAT YOUR PRESENTATION WAS FANTASTIC AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. YOU WERE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND YOU GOT THROUGH IT REALLY QUICKLY. SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ENTHUSIASM THIS EVENING. MR. CHU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ABSOLUTELY. THE PRESENTATION WAS GREAT. I'M FULLY CHARGED TO GO ANOTHER COUPLE HOURS FROM YOU, . UH, MY QUESTION ABOUT THE STORM SHELTER IS THAT COMES LIKE SPECIFIC TO THAT KIND OF SHAPE, OR YOU COULD BE LIKE 30 FEET BY 30 FEET, UH, DIFFERENT SHIFT. UM, UH, COULD YOU POSSIBLY REPEAT THAT QUESTION, SIR? I THINK, DOES THE STORM SHELTER HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS 20 FEET BY 80 FEET? OR YOU COULD HAVE LIKE 30 FEET BY 30 FEET SHIFT. OH, I SEE. UH, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, THAT, WELL, NO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS. YEAH, I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THE PARTICULAR, WELL, I, I'VE, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL VENDORS AND THE REASON WHY WE HIT UPON THIS VENDOR, AND EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF THIS PARTICULAR SHELTER, IT'S ONE OF THE NICER LOOKING SHELTERS THAT YOU CAN BUY BECAUSE IT'S, UH, SOME OF THE ONES I'VE SEEN LOOK MORE LIKE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, AND I FIGURED WE WOULDN'T BE PUTTING ONE OF THOSE OUT THERE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THEY'RE MOSTLY, UH, KIND OF, I GUESS MORE, UH, MORE LONG AND NARROW, I GUESS TO THE, THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THE VENDOR TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MODULAR AND SO THEY BASICALLY COME IN EIGHT FOOT SECTIONS. AND SO IT BECOMES KIND OF A MANUFACTURING PROCESS, UH, LIMITATION. AND SO THIS ONE HERE IS 10 FEET, AND I REALLY THINK 10 FEET IS, UH, WHAT THEY OFFER. THEY CAN OFFER ANY LENGTH YOU WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S IN A MODULE OF EIGHT FEET. BUT, UH, THIS IS THE SIZE THAT THEY COME IN. SO NOW I DON'T THINK THEY WILL MAKE A 30 BY 30 STORM SHELTER. OKAY. I WANT YOU, YOU KNOW, I HEAR YOU. I HEAR AGREE. AND, AND I'M, I'M SORRY, JUST ONE LAST THING TO ADD. AND BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CITE IT ON AN EXISTING PARKING LOT, WHICH THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE 18 FEET DEEP, IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES A, A NICE FIT INTO AN EXISTING PARKING SPACE. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU KNOW, REASON I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A VERY NICE SCHOOL, AND ALL THOSE NINTH GRADER TO 12TH GRADER, THEY COMES, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE EXPECTING SOMETHING VERY BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT ALSO THERE. I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE WINDOW RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'LL BE HAPPY. BUT I DON'T WANNA LIMIT THEIR, YOU KNOW, EXPECTATION. THEY DESERVE MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. AND THE TUITION THAT THEY'RE PAYING, I THINK IS PRETTY HIGH DOLLAR. SO THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EXPECTING SOMETHING VERY NICE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY, I'M SURE THAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT PUTTING THE STORM SHELTER JUST RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING SO THEY COULD JUST WALK. UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATION AND, UH, EACH PARKING SPACE, YOU ALREADY MENTIONED 18 FEET BY NINE FEET, AND, UH, I WAS THROWING A NUMBER 30 FEET BY 30 FEET BASED ON, LIKE, YOU, YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, FIVE PARKING SPACE SIDE WISE. AND THEN TWO, YOU WOULD BE LOSING FIVE TIMES TO 10, 10 PARKING SPOT IF YOU TAKE TWO SIDE. SO YOU COULD PROBABLY TECHNICALLY BRING THE STORM SHELTER INSIDE THE FENCE THAT WAY. I KNOW THAT ONE TIME WE HAD TO RUN TO THE STORM SHELTER SHELTER BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, I STILL REMEMBER THAT, THAT, THAT WE RAN TO THE SHELTER DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NOT BE RUNNING EVERY TIME, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE TO GO. BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WILL GO ONE DAY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE MANAGING THAT. PARENTS ARE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA SAY TO ME, I'M OKAY WITH THIS. YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL SAY, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE MANAGING THAT. BUT WHEN PARENTS SEE SOMETHING AND IF THEY SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU TRIED SOMETHING BETTER AND IT'S MUCH CLOSURE IS FOR, THEY'LL FEEL COMFORT THAT, THAT, YES, I CAN SEND THEM IN A PLACE THAT ABSOLUTELY, THIS IS A SECURE PLACE, BUT THEY'RE NOT LEAVING THE SECURITY BECAUSE OF THE STORM. THEY'RE STILL UNDER SECURITY. I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THE FENCE NEED TO BE THERE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CLEARLY CLOSE ACCESS TO SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. SO YOU ARE DOING THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IF YOU CAN THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT BRING THIS STORM SHELTER [03:10:01] INSIDE, MAYBE THE FENCE, MOVE THE FENCE LITTLE BIT OUT, STILL KEEP THE ACCESS IS BEEN, YOU KNOW, CAN THEY CHANGE THE DESIGN IN THE, ONCE THIS GET APPROVED, THAT STORM SHELTER, THEY FIND A PLACE THAT THEY CAN MOVE. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN KEEP THE STORM SHELTER OUT OF THAT SEWER LINE, THE SERVICE LINE. I THINK THAT'S YOUR PRIVATE SEWER. SO CITY'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK STILL YOU HAVE A ROOM IF YOU MOVE UP, TAKE FIVE PARKING SPOT, TWO SIDE, AND, BUT ONLY IF THE MANUFACTURER CAN GIVE YOU STORM SHELTER THAT FITS INTO THAT THING SO IT CAN BUILD. UH, BUT ANYWAY, SO CAN THEY BUILD SOMETHING, MOVE THE STORM SHELTER AFTER BEING APPROVED INSIDE THE FENCE? YEAH, THEY, THEY COULD DO A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AND WE COULD WORK WITH HIM, HIM, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. SO I THINK IF YOU DO A LITTLE MORE WORK THERE, ESPECIALLY THE ARCHITECT, UH, HE CAN BE REALLY, I I, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A VERY HIGH RESPECT FOR THE ARCHITECT. THEY CAN DREAM AND THEY CAN MAKE THINGS SO AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL. NICE. SO WHENEVER I SEE ARCHITECT, I SEE, OKAY, NOT IN THE US THOUGH. THEY, THEY JUST GO WITH WHATEVER IS COST EFFECTIVE, BUT OUTSIDE WORLD, THEY CREATE SO MANY THINGS THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR CIVIL ENGINEER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER, BY THE WAY. UH, SO I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, LOOK AT THAT AGAIN, UH, TO ME I'M OKAY WITH AS EASY IT IS, BUT, UH, BUT I, I'M SURE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A ALTERNATE SOLUTION THAT WILL MAKE THE PARENTS ALSO HAPPY. UH, OKAY. JUST 1, 1, 1 FINAL COMMENT ABOUT THAT IS THAT THE, WE WERE TOLD BY THE CITY THAT WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE SHELTER. SO IF WE DO TWO SHELTERS SIDE BY SIDE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A CONNECTING TUNNEL. SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. IT'S JUST, IT JUST MAY BE A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN, YOU KNOW, 10 PLUS 10. UM, IT COULD BE CREATIVE. SO I GUESS CITY THAT'S DIFFERENT. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND I, I'M SURE THAT Y'ALL HAVE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH AND LOOKING AT WHERE THE STORM SHELTER IS, HOW MANY FEET AWAY FROM THE FENCE LINE? IS THAT IF, UH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPOSED FENCE LINE HERE? YEAH, YOU'RE PRO PROPOSED FENCE TO THE STORM SHELTER. ALL RIGHT. HOW MANY? LET'S SEE. 18 PLUS 24. THAT'S, UH, 18 PLUS 24. THANK YOU. YEAH, I HAVEN'T HAD DINNER YET, SO MY BRAIN'S A LITTLE SLOW. UH, 42, SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE COULD PROBABLY JUST SAY 45 FEET, SIR. OKAY. THE REASON I'M, I'M ASKING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EVEN FEASIBLE, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING GO DO IT, BUT WOULD IT SAVE YOU MONEY OR IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CREATE THE STORM SHELTER AS PART OF YOUR FENCE? IN OTHER WORDS, BRING IT IN. AND I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHERE'S THE ENTRY? WHERE'S THE DOOR TO THE STORM SHELTER? IS IT ON ONE OF THE ENDS OR IS IT IN, IN LIKE AN OPEN, IN THE CENTER OF IT WHERE THEY WOULD COME THROUGH? AND SO I WAS THINKING IT MAY HELP WITH GETTING IT CLOSER, AND THEN IT'D BE BASICALLY IN LINE WITH YOUR FENCE AND YOUR FENCE. YOU WOULD SAVE MONEY ON YOUR FENCE AND YOU'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT MUCH SPACE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE AND, AND MOVE IT IN. AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT'S NOT. I JUST CURIOUS IF THAT WOULD HELP. MAYBE EASE OFF ANYBODY'S THOSE EXTRA 45 FEET IF THAT MATTERS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE THEM, BUT WOULD THAT BE IN MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT? UH, WELL, THE MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT IS RIGHT HERE. IT'S BASICALLY THE DRY VILE OF THE PARKING. RIGHT. SO WITH THE, WITH THE MATTER SUGGESTION IS TO MOVE IT EAST AND BE IN LINE WITH THE FENCE THAT WOULD PROBABLY PLACE THE SHELTER IN THE EASEMENT, RIGHT? YES. SO THAT, YES, IT AND INDEED MIGHT DO THAT. AND AS WELL, I'M, I'M GUESSING THESE ARE EIGHT FOOT TABLES. SO THAT EXTRA 45 FEET IS REALLY BETWEEN THIS PODIUM AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CORCORAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH AND IT'S, YOU'RE NOT SAVING THAT MANY FEET, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A GATE TO GO THROUGH. IF IT'S, IF THE, IF THE OPENING IS EQUAL IS ON THAT SIDE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. AND YOU COULD ELIMINATE THE OPENING TO TRY TO SQUEEZE THROUGH, WHICH MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN A DA OR A WHEELCHAIR RIGHT. ELIMINATION PROBLEM. AND SO IT, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT. NO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT. SO THAT MIGHT HAVE CURED SOME OF THE THOUGHTS. WELL, UM, WE HOPE THIS PLAN WILL BE APPROVED AND WE WILL RECEIVE YOUR SUPPORT. UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR TEAM WILL [03:15:01] CONTINUE TO REVIEW THAT. AND IF THEY NEED TO COME BACK WITH A SITE AMENDMENT WITH AN IMPROVED, UH, LOCATION FOR THE STORM SHELTER, THEY WILL. UM, FOR THE MOMENT RIGHT NOW, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S QUOTE NESTLED WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AND THE BERM AND THAT THAT WILL BE, UM, ACCEPTABLE TO THE GREATER COMMUNITY BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE LENNOX CENTER. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. OKAY. STAND READY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THANK YOU MS. EMER. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS? I HAVE NO CARDS, MAYOR. OKAY. SO WE CLOSE THAT. MR. HUTCHIN, WRITER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. GOT A MOTION MR. CHU? SECONDED. MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MR. SHAUL? WELL, UH, IF NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WOULD STILL, OH, I KNOW. I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE MOTION 'CAUSE I WANT TO ADD A PROVISION AS COMPARED. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? UH, I AM OKAY WITH THAT. LET'S HEAR WHAT PROVISION. PLEASE GO AHEAD, MR. . I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 24 DASH 30 AS REQUESTED WITH THE PROVISION OF AT LEAST A SIX FOOT OPENING WITHIN THE GATE TO REACH THE, UM, STORM SHELTER. OKAY, I WILL SECOND IT. ALRIGHT, I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND WITH THAT SIX FOOT GATE. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. AND SHOUT OUT TO STAFF. I DON'T WANT DO BEFORE . THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY, ITEM NUMBER [10. CONSENT AGENDA: ] 11 IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA, MR. BARRIOS, MAYOR. UM, BEFORE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT WE REMOVE ITEM B OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. YOU'D LIKE TO PULL THAT ABOVE THE LINE? YES. AND DISCUSS IT SEPARATELY? LY? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO, MR. MAG MAGNER, DO WE WANT TO APPROVE EVERYTHING ELSE? YES, SIR. OKAY. MS. JUSTICE, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PUBLISHED WITHOUT, UH, B. OKAY, MR. DORY, YOU GOT A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. GOT A MOTION? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, MR. BARRIOS? [10.B. CONSIDER RESOLUTION 25-01, ADOPTING THE PARKS & RECREATION AQUATIC MASTER PLAN. ] MAYOR, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THAT. THE, WHEN I, UH, VOTE FOR ITEMS AND MY PERSONAL APPROACH, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THERE'S A FEW THINGS I'VE GOTTA DO. I'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BELIEVE I, I MADE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE COMMUNITY. I'D BE ABLE TO SLEEP ON WHAT A DECISION I MADE AND THEN TURN AROUND AND FACE MY FAMILY THE NEXT DAY. UM, AND WITH THIS ITEM, WHILE I BELIEVE THE PLAN IS 85, 90% THERE, AND I ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE WITH WHERE MOST OF IT GOES, I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH ONE PART OF IT. I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL 'CAUSE I DID DISCUSS IT THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT, BUT IT WAS IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE WAY THE DATA WAS SET UP TO CLOSE SOME OTHER POOLS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE CANYON CREEK POOL. I REALLY FELT THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THERE BECAUSE THE DATA, UM, WE DIDN'T COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES IN MY OPINION. AND SO THE FACT THAT WE KEPT THE CANYON CREEK POLE AS A CONTINUED OPTION, BUT THE PLAN DOES NOT CLOSE THE OTHERS, I CANNOT FULLY SUPPORT ADOPTING IT. ALTHOUGH OVERALL THE PLAN, I BELIEVE IS GOING IN THE DIRECTION. UM, BUT I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THAT PIECE. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU TO PULL THAT OUT AND WHY I'LL BE VOTING, UH, TO NOT PROVE THAT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? MR. HUTCHIN? RIDER? IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NOPE. SECONDING. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PARKS AND RECREATION AQUATIC MASTER PLAN AS PRESENTED. MR. CORCORAN SECOND. GOT A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN. ALRIGHT, IT'S SIX ONE PASSED. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11. CONS. SORRY, THAT DOES NOT, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. THAT BRINGS [11. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] US TO ITEM 12 TO REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. MR. RE MAYOR, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A VERY, VERY, UM, HEARTFELT THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR STAFF, UM, DURING OUR RECENT SNOW EVENT. UM, THE, THE BETWEEN, AND I'LL PROBABLY MISS SOME DEPARTMENTS AND, AND, AND DON, IF YOU'LL HELP ME, I KNOW PUBLIC WORKS OBVIOUSLY, FIRE, POLICE, UM, TRANSPORTATION OR NOT? I'M SORRY. UM, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? UM, UM, TRASH AND, AND SOLID WASTE. SOLID WASTE. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHERE I WAS LOOKING FOR. UM, THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED, SO MANY PEOPLE WORKING HARD. UM, WE HAD ALL, ALL OF OUR, OUR [03:20:01] TRUCKS OUT TRYING TO MIX ROADWAYS AS ROADWAYS AS POSSIBLE AS POSSIBLE. AND I JUST, IF, IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LET OUR CITY STAFF KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE IT, ALL OF THEIR GREAT WORK. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T DO SNOW WELL HERE. UM, WE DON'T DO ICE, WE DON'T ANYTHING WINTER. WE DON'T DO REALLY WELL AROUND HERE. UM, BUT I, IT WAS AMAZING TO ME BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, WITH MY, MY PROFESSIONAL JOB, I HAVE STAFF COMING IN FROM ALL OVER AND EVERY STAFF MEMBER I TALKED TO SAID, OH, MY, MY DRIVE WAS REALLY HORRIFIC UNTIL I SAW THE CITY OF RICHARDSON SIGN. AND ONCE I GOT INTO THE CITY, THE ROADS WERE SO MUCH BETTER. THEY HAD BEEN, UM, SANDED OR A SALTED OR HOWEVER WE CONDITIONED 'EM. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. UM, BUT I MEAN, I'M TELLING YOU IT WAS, OH, IT HAD TO BE AT LEAST 40 PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO THAT DAY WHO MADE THOSE COMMENTS TO ME. AND THEY WERE DRIVING FROM OTHER MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT WILL REMAIN NAMELESS. UM, BUT EVERY ONE OF 'EM SAID TO ME, WOW, WHAT A DIFFERENCE. SO I WANNA JUST HIGHLY, HIGHLY COMMEND ALL OF THE TEAMS. UM, AND, AND I KNOW FIRE AND POLICE WERE OUT THERE DOING EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO TO, TO KEEP THE AREA SAFE AS WELL. SO JUST HUGE, HUGE, HUGE THANK YOU TO THE ENTIRE STAFF. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU MAYOR PROTO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, LAST SATURDAY, MAYOR BOB DOBY AND ME, MYSELF, UH, ATTENDED, UH, A CELEBRATION OF LUNAR NEW YEAR AND THAT KELLY SAGON MALL. AND, UH, THEY DO THAT EVERY YEAR. AND, UH, THIS TIME BECAUSE OF THE SNOW, IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR MANY TO JOIN THAT DAY, BUT, UH, BELIEVE ME, IT WAS COLD, MAYBE OUTSIDE, BUT INSIDE IT WAS VERY HOT. THEY KNOW HOW TO CELEBRATE AND THEY DID CELEBRATE WITH THE FIRECRACKERS AND ALL THIS. UH, SO HAPPY LONER NEW YEAR TO WHO EVERYONE WAS CELEBRATE. AND SOON THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE IN OUR OWN CHINA TOWN. MM-HMM . I BELIEVE, UH, 29TH OF THIS MONTH. FEBRUARY 8TH. FEBRUARY 8TH. MM-HMM . OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT FASTER THAN THAT. UH, BUT BESIDES THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE PRAYING FOR CALIFORNIA WHAT'S GOING ON IN LA AND THERE'S, THIS IS SOMETHING UNBELIEVABLE. UH, UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. UH, LET'S CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THEM. AND, UH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, STILL EVERY DAY I SEE IT, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT'S HAPPENING. UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT CITY IS DOING, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS SAY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS SAY THAT I KNOW THEY'RE STRUGGLING. I WISH WE COULD GO AND HELP THEM OUT. UH, BUT LET'S JUST PRAY FOR THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE IN COMPLIANCE [ EXECUTIVE SESSION] WITH SECTION 5 5, 1 0.0 8, 7 1 AND TWO OF SECTION 5 5 1 0.072 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNSEL WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, NORTH GREENVILLE AVENUE SLASH APOLLO ROAD AREA DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, CONSIDER SALE OF CITY PROPERTY ON NORTH GREENVILLE AVENUE, APOLLO ROAD AREA. THE TIME IS OFFICIALLY 9 23 AND WE WILL START BACK UP SHORTLY. THANKS EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR COMING AND Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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