* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING. CALL THIS MEETING THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. IT IS 6:00 PM FIRST ON OUR AGENDA. COUNCIL MEMBER DAN BARRIOS WILL LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE. PLEASE JOIN ME. GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING. WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US THIS EVENING, THAT WE COME TO YOU WITH OPEN HEARTS, OPEN EARS, AND OPEN MINDS TO THE DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING. WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE AFFECTED BY OUR DECISIONS. WE ASK FOR PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING BY ALL THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. AND THOSE HERE TONIGHT. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, FOR THE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE WITH JESUS. 2D TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BARRIOS. ITEM [3. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 10, 2025 MEETING] NUMBER THREE, LOOKING FOR A MOTION. MR. HU, WRITER. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING AS PUBLISHED. MR. SHA, I SECOND IT GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. MINUTES PASS. UNANIMOUS LEE. NOW NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE [4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM] GONNA GO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM. MR. MAG. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE'RE IN RECEIPT OF, UH, SEVERAL, UH, COMMENT CARDS, UH, IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE, SOME REFERENCING, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I WILL GO AHEAD AND ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE AND THEN I'LL READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, UH, FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO, UH, SPEAK INTO VISITOR SECTION. AND THOSE SAME INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPLY TO, UH, THE TESTIMONY THAT WILL BE PROVIDED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, SO FIRST, UH, LET ME ACKNOWLEDGE MRM MARK BETAIN 700 SCOTTSDALE HAS, UH, SUBMITTED A CARD REGARDING RECORD CHARTER MEETINGS AND HE'S NEUTRAL. UH, MR. JUSTIN NEFF, 4 25 PLEASANT VALLEY, UH, DRIVE, UH, IS NOT SPEAKING, BUT, UH, SUBMITTED A CARD REGARDING, UH, RECORD CHARTER MEETINGS. NEUTRAL, UH, MS. PATRICIA GRIFFIN, 4 41 VALLEY GLEN, UH, IS, UH, SPEAKING ON LIVESTREAM CHARTER MEETINGS, UH, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARINGS. ZONING FILE 24 24. WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, EXCUSE ME, TWO COMMENT CARDS BOTH IN SUPPORT, UH, ONE FROM THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND ONE FROM SARAH MARCELLUS LOGANVILLE REGARDING, UH, ITEM, UH, NUMBER EIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE. 24 21. I HAVE SEVERAL HERE. SO LET ME FIRST, UH, READ THOSE NON, NOT SPEAKING OPPOSED. UH, JENNIFER MCIN MCKINNEY 1128 PIEDMONT, RACHEL, LAND CAR 17 1 0 7, TEXAS, UH, PISTACHIO IN DALLAS AND ROBERT MONTEGO, 1216 SAVOY, UH, RICHARDSON. AGAIN, THOSE ARE NON-SPEAKING OPPOSED. UH, WE HAVE THREE SPEAKING. I'LL READ THEM, UM, THEIR NAMES IN CASE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, NOT HERE TO SPEAK. UM, TOMER LANRE OF, UH, 17 1 0 7, TEXAS PISTACHIO DALLAS, ANIL MISHRA, 2212 GUARD, GARNIA WAY, RICHARDSON. AND THEN ALAN BASKIN, 2230 HIBISCUS IN RICHARDSON. UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL IN SUPPORT. UH, MR. RYAN CAMPBELL OF 8 1 3 6. MARY KEAN IN DALLAS IS SPEAKING, UH, THE FOLLOWING, ALL IN SUPPORT, BUT NOT SPEAKING. UH, CARLY MARTIN, FOUR 19 LOWELL TATE BYERS, SEVEN 11 RIDGEDALE. CARLY BYERS, SEVEN 11 RIDGEDALE. JODY MCHALEY, 26 19 EAST PRAIRIE CREEK. UH, MACKENZIE SANCHEZ, THIRTY FIVE OH THREE HILL ROSE ASHLEY CLAYBORNE, 1622 VILLANOVA, UH, KYLIE CLAYBORNE, 1622 VILLANOVA. KATHY COLTON, 2 0 1 SOUTH GLENVILLE, ANGIE TURNER, 1101 HILLSDALE. AND, UH, THEN JESSICA JOHNSON, 32 0 6 ST. CLOUD. AGAIN, THOSE WERE IN SUPPORT, UH, NOT SPEAKING. UM, MARY, I'LL READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, UH, AND AGAIN TO THE, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. THIS WILL, UM, APPLY TO BOTH THE VISITOR SECTION AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. UH, DURING THIS INITIAL PORTION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, 30 MINUTES IS OUT, 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. UH, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED. UH, IF THERE'S TIME LEFT DURING THE INITIAL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITOR'S FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH, IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR REMARKS PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS, UH, MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN [00:05:01] AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION SPEAKER, SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC, OR ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS THE COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. CITY COUNCIL ON STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, A POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO, UH, UH, TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE SPEAKER. AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SPORT OR OPPOSITION DURING THE BUSINESS MEETING, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THIS THEIR CELL PHONE FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. MEER TO CALL MS, UH, NEER TO CALL ANYONE, UH, WHO IS HERE FOR, UM, SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS OR VISITORS. PATRICIA GRIFFIN. I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE, MAYOR. OKAY. IS THAT IT? OKAY. THANK YOU, MS. NEER. [5. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-32, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. 4532, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP BY GRANTING A CHANGE IN ZONING BY GRANTING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1301 W. PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, ZONED TO-M TECHNICAL OFFICE.] THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 34 32 AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 45 32, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP BY GRANTING A CHANGE IN ZONING FOR A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY LOCATED AT 1301 WEST PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY. MR. RA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ANDREW BGA, TO THE PODIUM FOR THE FIRST TIME. WELCOME ANDREW, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AFTER ANDREW'S PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I BELIEVE HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION OF THEIR OWN AND THEN WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANDREW, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DON. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, SO THE FIRST ITEM, UH, THAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST FOR GAIL AND COLLEGE OF NURSING. UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON AT 1301 WEST PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH 157,000 SQUARE FOOT THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING. UM, SITS ON 10.34 ACRES. UM, IN 2023, A SPECIAL PERMIT WAS APPROVED FOR GALAND COLLEGE OF NURSING TO OCCUPY AND OPERATE A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY WITHIN A 41,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE ON THE FIRST TWO FLOORS OF THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING. UM, GENERALLY IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, UM, THERE'S ALSO AN EXTENSIVE PARKING LOT ON THE PROPERTY. UM, IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY, THE NORTH SIDE OF WATERVIEW PARKWAY. AND THEN IT'S JUST, UH, UM, EAST OF FRANKFURT ROAD AND WEST OF RENNER ROAD. UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS, UM, TECHNICAL OFFICE WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, FOR PRIVATE UNIVERSITY FOR 300 STUDENTS. UM, THAT ORIGINAL SPECIAL PERMIT WAS APPROVED IN 2023. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE, UM, THE UNIVERSITY IS SEEKING TO EXPAND. UM, THEY HAVE DONE WELL, UM, AND, UM, THEIR ENROLLMENT IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO GROW. UM, SO THIS SPECIAL PERMIT WILL ACCOMMODATE THAT EXPANSION. UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED LATE LAST YEAR, UM, CLASSIFIES THIS AREA AS BEING PART OF THE REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT PLACE TYPE, UM, WHICH IDENTIFIES OFFICE AS A PRIMARY USE AND PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL FACILITIES AS THE SECONDARY USE. UM, AGAIN, THE, THE REQUEST IS TO REVISE THE SPECIAL PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY FOR, UM, GOING FROM 300 UP TO 450 STUDENTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. UM, THESE ARE THE, UM, PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS WHAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. UM, A THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING WITH A PARKING LOT. UM, AND THEN ON THE, UH, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE, UM, FIRST FLOOR LOBBY OF, OF THE UNIVERSITY. UM, THE UNIVERSITY WILL OCCUPY SPACE ON BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS OF THE, UM, SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING. UM, AGAIN, THE SITE AREA IS A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 ACRES BUILDING AREA 157,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY LEASING 40,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, AND THEY'RE SEEKING A 27,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION TO GO UP TO 67,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE TOTAL PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE ARE, UH, 770, AND ONCE YOU TAKE OUT THE SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE BALANCE OF THE BUILDING, UM, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE OFFICE USES, THAT LEAVES 468 SPACES AVAILABLE FOR THIS USE. UM, BUT HOWEVER, THE, BASED ON A TYPICAL PARKING RATIO OF ONE TO 100 SQUARE FOOT FOR A CLASSROOM AREA THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR OTHER SIMILAR PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES, THEY WOULD ONLY NEED 333 PARKING SPACES. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO LIMIT THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION TO 8:00 AM [00:10:01] TO 5:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AS WELL AS OCCASIONAL SATURDAY EVENING CLASSES. UM, BASED ON HOW THE UNIVERSITY IS STRUCTURED, UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THERE ARE, UM, A LARGE, UH, PORTION OF THEIR, UM, THEIR ENROLLMENT IS EITHER IN CLINICAL ROTATIONS OR IS, UM, DOING ONLINE COURSEWORK. UM, SO THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING IS 450, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ANTICIPATING A TOTAL ENROLLMENT OF UP TO 1400. UM, WE, WE NOTE THAT A, UH, UM, A TRIP GENERATION MEMO WAS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO ANALYZE THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WAS GENERATED. UM, WE ONLY EXPECT A SLIGHT INCREASE IN PEAK TRAFFIC, UM, GENERATED BY THE EXPANSION. UM, HOWEVER, IF THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS INCREASES, AGAIN, UM, A, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES ARE LIKELY SUBJECT TO STUDY, UM, AT THE TIME OF A, A NEW SPECIAL PERMIT IF, UM, ADDITIONAL EXPANSION IS GRANTED IN THE FUTURE. UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION UNI UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON JANUARY 21ST OF THE REQUEST. UM, AND SHOULD COUNSEL, UM, TAKE ACTION TONIGHT, UM, TO APPROVE, UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UM, THESE CONDITIONS BE INCLUDED. UM, ONE THAT THE, UM, THE SPECIAL SHALL BE GRANTED TO ALLOW PRI PRIVATE UNIVERSITY, WHICH WILL BE LIMITED TO THE 67,000 SQUARE FOOT LEASE SPACE AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN AND LIMITED TO GALEN COLLEGE OF NURSING, UM, THAT THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS SUBJECT TO THE TIME AND OPERATION RESTRICTIONS CITED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, THAT THE PARKING RATIO SHALL BE ONE SPACE TO 100 SQUARE FEET OF CLASSROOM AREA, AND THAT NO MORE THAN 450 STUDENTS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND ON CAMPUS CLASSES AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL. ANDREW, GREAT PRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY YOUR FIRST TIME. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANDREW? ALRIGHT, AND THEN WE, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND OR PRESENT SOME MORE INFORMATION. ALRIGHT, I MESSED THIS UP LAST TIME AT CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER. I DON'T WANNA TOUCH THE MIC ANYMORE, BUT MY NAME IS WES HO, I'M WITH MASTER PLAN, AND THIS IS MR. ROBERT SNIP FROM GAY ONE COLLEGE OF NURSING. AND WE'RE JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH A QUICK PRESENTATION, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE UPDATES WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE SITE. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF GAY, ONE BY THE NUMBERS. UH, 1700 OR 17,000 STUDENTS NATIONWIDE, 22 CAMPUSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, FOUR IN TEXAS, INCLUDING THE CAMPUS IN RICHARDSON RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF ALUMNI, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOT OF NURSES AND THERE'S CLEARLY A NEED FOR IT IN THIS COUNTRY. WE'VE SEEN THE GROWTH OF THIS CAMPUS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA BREATHING ROOM, REALLY JUST TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE OUR STUDENTS AND STAFF A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND SO HERE'S THE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE FACTS ABOUT GALEN FOR THE RICHARDSON CAMPUS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ABOUT, UH, OVER A THOUSAND STUDENTS COME IN. AVERAGE AGE IS AROUND 34. OUR PASS RATE, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT SETS US APART FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COLLEGES, IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE STANDARD RATE. AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, BOB, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROCEDURE GOING INTO THAT OR ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GRADUATED OUR STUDENTS AT THE TOP OF THEIR CLASS, THEY PASS THE RATE PRETTY, THE, THE TESTS FOR NURSING PRETTY SUCCESSFULLY. AND SO IT'S A PROVEN MODEL. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY STUDENTS AND THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL SPACE. AND HERE IS SOME NUMBERS, UM, FROM TEXAS HEALTH DATA. UH, THOSE NUMBERS ARE, THOSE LINES ARE SUPPOSED TO TOUCH, UH, THE DEMAND IS ON TOP AND THE SUPPLIES BELOW. SO, UM, THIS KIND OF PROJECTS OUT INTO 2036, AND THEY'RE, THEY NEED TO CROSS AT SOME POINT. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON THAT. SO WE REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS A NEED TO ADD SOME MORE NURSES INTO THE WORKFORCE. AND OBVIOUSLY TEXAS IS GROWING, OUR COUNTRY'S GROWING. PEOPLE ARE NEEDING NURSING AND HOSPITALS ARE A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTAFFED RIGHT NOW. SO THESE ARE A MAP OF WHERE OUR STUDENTS ARE. UH, THEY'RE ALL OVER. THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR KIND OF A DIFFERENT HYBRID MODEL WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE ON CAMPUS, BUT RIGHT NOW ABOUT A THIRD ARE ON CAMPUS, THIRD TAKE ONLINE CLASSES, AND THE THIRD ARE ROTATING, DOING CLINICALS AT DIFFERENT SITES, AT HOSPITALS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO WE DON'T, ALL OUR, OUR STUDENTS AREN'T ALWAYS ON CAMPUS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND SO THEY CAN COMMUTE FROM ALL THE WAY. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE FURTHEST ONE WAS. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE LAKE EE. UM, IT'S PRETTY FAR, UH, WHERE THEY NEED TO COME IN AND HAVE CLASSES, BUT THEY CAN DO A LOT OF IT REMOTELY AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ROTATING, I GUESS, CLINICALS AT HOSPITALS. THEY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UP THEIR EDUCATION. AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FLOOR, FEW CLASSROOMS, MOSTLY ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATION AND FACULTY SPACE. AND THEN THIS IS OUR SECOND FLOOR CURRENT, UM, YOU KNOW, FAIR NUMBER OF [00:15:01] CLASSROOMS, AGAIN, IN OUR, A LARGE SIMULATION CENTER, WHICH IS GREAT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, FOR THE NURSES. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL SPACE, PREDOMINANTLY CLASSROOMS, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE FOR FACULTY. AND WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BREATHING ROOM TO ADD SOME MORE STUDENTS TO THE COLLEGE AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST CHURNING OUT NURSES. THAT'S KIND OF OUR JOB. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BOB, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA LEAVE, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SHORT PRESENTATION ON KIND OF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN DORIAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE IT. I, UH, ACTUALLY WAS AT THE, UM, ORIGINAL OPENING IN 2023, SO I GOT TO THE CHANCE TO MEET A LOT OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND I GOT TO DO THE TOUR, WHICH WAS REALLY NICE. FANTASTIC. AND I, AND I REALLY LIKED THE FACILITY. Y'ALL DONE A GREAT JOB. I DIDN'T REALIZE AFTER, UNTIL AFTER I TOOK THE TOUR AND, AND GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE, UH, LEADERS IN THE COMPANY, UH, TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE'RE LACKING NURSES IN THIS COUNTRY. AND, AND I DO SUPPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, CONTINUE THAT PATH AND HONESTLY, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS ALL HYBRID. UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NEVER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF STUDENTS ON SITE AT ONE GIVEN TIME. DO THEY HAVE TO BE ON CORRECT ON SITE AT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME OR THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING REMOTE? SOME OF OUR THEORY CLASSES ARE ONLINE, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE THE CLINICALS THAT THEY'RE ATTENDING AT THE HOSPITALS AND, AND, UH, AND THEN THE CLASSES ON CAMPUS THERE WHERE WE DO A LOT OF OUR CLINICAL LEARNING LABS AND SIMULATION. GOOD. SO BASICALLY THE PARKING LOT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL? NO, NO. AT ANY ONE GIVEN TIME? NO, AND IT'S, MOST OF THE CLASSES ARE A FEW HOURS, AND SO THEY'LL COME IN, YOU KNOW, SAY MID-MORNING, NOT DURING RUSH HOUR, HAVE A CLASS FROM 10 TO TWO, AND THEN THEY'LL GO HOME AND FINISH THAT DAY, AND THEN THEY MIGHT COME BACK A DAY OR TWO LATER. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM THE CLASSES ARE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND THEY'RE NOT EIGHT HOURS IN LENGTH. GOOD. WELL, I COMMEND YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THIS SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S AN INVALUABLE SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. CHU. MR. MAYOR, UH, JUST A ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. UH, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT A STUDENT GOES TO ROTATION ALL OVER THAT METROPLEX, RIGHT? IS THERE ANY HOSPITAL THEY GO TO IN CHARON, ROTATION WISE? YES, THERE, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. ANY HOSPITAL THEY GO TO IN, IN CHARON HOSPITAL, WHAT WE TRY TO DO, WE HAVE CLINICALS IN, IN THE HOSPITALS ALL AROUND. SO WE TRY TO PAIR WHEREVER THE STUDENTS LIVE, CLOSER TO ONE OF THOSE HOSPITALS. SO THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, DALLAS FORT WORTH, RICHARDSON, SO GINORMOUS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO SCHEDULE CLINICALS IN, IN HOSPITALS CLOSER TO WHERE THEY LIVE. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SEE YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. AT THIS TIME WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? MS. ER? I HAVE NO CARDS. ALRIGHT, SO YOU HAVE NO CARDS, MR. HUTCHIN? WRITER, MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. DORIAN, I'LL SECOND THAT. GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, MR. SHAMS? WELL, IF THERE IS NO, IF, IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UH, THING TO DISCUSS OR ANYTHING, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT, PUT A MOTION. OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE FILE 24 32 IN ORDINANCE NUMBER FOUR. 5 3 2. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THIS, UH, PUBLIC, UH, HEARING ZONING FILE 24 32 AS OKAY. GOT A MOTION MR. DORIAN? AND, AND THE ORDINANCE. AND THE ORDINANCE. AND THE ORDINANCE. AND THE ORDINANCE. 4, 5, 3, 2. THANK YOU, MR. DORIAN. I, I'LL SECOND THAT. GOT A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. I PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WELL, THAT, YES, SIR. UM, BEFORE YOU READ THE NEXT, UH, CAPTION, I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN DELAYED. UM, IF IT'S AGREEABLE, WE COULD, UH, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE. AND THEN IF THE APPLICANT ARRIVES PRIOR TO MOVING TO, UH, THE WORK SESSION ITEMS, WE CAN HEAR IT THEN I AM IN AGREEMENT. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. [7. CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-24, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. 4534, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R-1500-M RESIDENTIAL TEMP TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RA-1100-M RESIDENTIAL ATTACHED (TOWNHOME) DISTRICT; ADOPTING USE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, INCLUDING A CONCEPT PLAN FOR A 4.09-ACRE TRACT OF LAND LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST MAIN STREET, EAST OF NORTH GROVE ROAD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.] ALRIGHTY. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 24 AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 45 34, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST MAIN STREET, EAST [00:20:01] OF NORTH GROVE ROAD. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. OUR, UH, SENIOR PLANNER, DEREK PETERS, IS GONNA STAFF THIS CASE FOR US. THIS IS A CONTINUATION, UM, FROM A PRIOR, UM, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND PRESENTATION. UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED ONE MORE CONTINUATION. UH, THEY WERE HARD AT WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS YOU DIRECTED THEM AND SUGGESTED THAT THEY GO BACK AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES. DEREK IS GONNA PRESENT THE REVISED PLAN AND SOME OF THE OUTCOMES AS A RESULT OF THOSE, UM, THOSE MEETINGS. AND THEN, UM, IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE, HE'LL, UH, HE'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANKS, DEREK. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS AT 6 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF MAINE AND GROVE. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED R 1500 RESIDENTIAL, AND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTHEAST AND WEST HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, SOUTH OF MAIN STREET HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT. AND AS DAWN MENTIONED, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 13TH AND IT WAS CONTINUED TILL TODAY'S MEETING. SO THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN THAT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HAD SEEN, AND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL. ORIGINALLY, THEY PROPOSED 38 TOWNHOME UNITS. THEY, THEY FACED INWARD ON A NEW CITY STREET CALLED VALENCIA DRIVE. AND THE DEVELOPMENT WAS SURROUNDED BY A SCREENING FENCE. SO THEY PROVIDED THIS REVISED CONCEPT PLAN, AND I'LL GO OVER AND HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHANGES. THEY'VE NOW REDUCED THE TOWN HOMES FROM 38 TO 34 UNITS LAID OUT IN 10 BUILDINGS OF BLOCKS OF THREE TO FOUR UNITS EACH. THEY FLIPPED THE HOUSES TO NOW BE RE TO REORIENT THEM SO THAT THEY FACE OUTWARD TOWARD THE STREET FRONTAGES. AND THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE IS AN ALLEY INSTEAD OF A CITY STREET. THE HOMES WILL STILL, THE HOMES WILL HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE WILL FACE INWARD ON THAT NEW ALLEY RUNNING DOWN THE CENTER OF THE STREET. UM, PARKING IS PROVIDED INSIDE THE, UH, EACH HOME HAS A TWO CAR ENCLOSED GARAGE, AS WELL AS TWO PARKING SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAY. AND THEN THERE ARE VISITOR SPACES PROVIDED IN THE ALLEY. IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE 26 VISITOR SPACES PROVIDED. THIS IS AT A RATE OF 0.7 SPACES PER HOST TOWNHOUSE UNIT. AND THIS EXCEEDS OUR TYPICAL STANDARD FOR TOWN HOMES, WHICH IS 0.5 GUEST SPACES PER TOWN HOME. A TRIP GENERATION MEMO WAS PROVIDED, WHICH SHOWS THERE ARE AN ADDITIONAL 18 TRIPS ESTIMATED IN THE AM PEAK HOURS. AND AN ADDITIONAL 22 PICKS PEAK AT AN ADDITIONAL 22 TRIPS IN THE PM PEAK HOURS. THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO NO IMPROVEMENTS WERE WARRANTED. HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL BE DEDICATING ADDITIONAL RIDE OF WAY IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE SO THAT IF THERE IS A, UH, A NEED OR IF IT WARRANTS FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OF A RIGHT TURN LANE ON GROVE, A RIGHT TURN LANE ON MAIN STREET, TURNING RIGHT, TURNING NORTH ONTO GROVE WHEN IT NECESS WHEN TRAFFIC NECESSITATES, THE CITY WILL HAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE TO THEM. SOME OTHER CHANGES, UM, NOW THE HOMES, SINCE THEY ARE REORIENTED, IT ALLOWED FOR DEEPER FRONT YARDS. SO THE FRONT YARDS ARE NOW 35 FOOT FRONT SETBACKS ALONG THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN FRONTAGES, WHICH ALLOWS FOR PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING MATURE LIVE OAK TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. THE OPEN SPACE HAS DOUBLED FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN FROM 10% TO 19.6%. UH, THE IMAGE HERE SHOWS THE TREES IN DARK GREEN THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT AIMS TO PRESERVE AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND AS PART OF THE PD CONDITIONS. ALSO, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE AND AN UPDATE TO WHAT'S PRESENTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK IS SHOWN HERE ALONG MAIN STREET. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THEY WOULD AGREE TO INSTALL A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK INSTEAD. ALSO, UH, COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAD A SCREENING FENCE AROUND THE SITE AND THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED. SO THERE IS NO SCREENING BETWEEN THE SITE AND THE REMAINDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE SITE BETTER INTEGRATES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT WAS AN ANOTHER REQ, UH, ITEM THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS. HERE'S SOME CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT THAT ILLUSTRATE, UH, THE TYPE OF FEATURES YOU'LL SEE ON THE TOWN HOMES. SO THEY WILL BE TWO STORIES AT MAXIMUM 30 FEET HEIGHT AT MAXIMUM, WHICH IS 10 FEET LOWER THAN WHAT IS TYPICALLY ALLOWED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL ELEVATION SHOW THE TYPE OF BAR BUILDING ARTICULATION THAT WILL BE PROVIDED IN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES LIKE PITCHED ROOFS AND BALCONIES. SO HERE'S A [00:25:01] SUMMARY TABLE, AND TO SUMMARIZE, WHEN COMPARED TO A TYPICAL TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON'S COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, THIS PROPOSAL MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JUST ONE ITEM. THAT'S THE SECOND TO LAST LISTED HERE. THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE TYPICALLY 10 FEET. THEY HAVE INSTEAD REQUESTED FIVE FEET. ALSO, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE APPLICANTS HAVE NOT ONLY ESTABLISHED A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE OF 1500 SQUARE FEET, THEY'VE ESTABLISHED A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE OF 2000 SQUARE FEET AS WELL. SO AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING ON DECEMBER 3RD, THEY VOTED FOUR TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. AT THE TIME THE APPLICANT WAS SHOWING A DIFFERENT CONCEPT PLAN WITH 38 UNITS. SO AS I MENTIONED, THAT HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY TO WHAT YOU, UH, WELL THE LAYOUT HAS CHANGED TO WHAT YOU SEE TODAY. UM, AT THE TIME WE RECEIVED SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. SINCE THAT TIME, ONE OF THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE HAS BEEN, UH, AMENDED TO BE IN SUPPORT. THAT'S FROM THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHO SUBMITTED A COMMENT TODAY THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, IN ADDITION, WE HAD TWO OTHERS IN SUPPORT, UM, IN SIX IN OPPOSITION. SO SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE TO, UH, RECOMMEND VOTE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TONIGHT, UH, WE SHOULD ADD THAT ONE AMENDMENT. I MENTIONED THAT THEY WILL AGREE TO A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF THE FOREFOOT THAT'S SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. UH, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU WOULD BE APPROVING THE CONCEPT PLAN BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. AND SHOULD YOU APPROVE THAT TONIGHT, YOU SHOULD ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE THAT'S AVAILABLE TONIGHT AS WELL. AND THAT COMPLETES THIS PRESENTATION. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? ALRIGHT, SEEING YOU, NONE. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD OR MAKE ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS OR COMMENTS ELSE? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JIM DEWEY WITH JDJR ENGINEERS, 2,500 TEXAS DRIVE, IRVING, TEXAS. UM, WE CAME BEFORE YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THE PROPOSAL WAS FOR AN ENCLAVE, DESIGNED TOWNHOUSE, SCREENED OFF FROM EVERYTHING, WHICH WOULD WORK IN MANY AREAS, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THE DESIGN THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD. WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MET WITH THEM TWICE SINCE THEN. THE FIRST MEETING WE MET AT A LOCAL RESTAURANT, WHICH HAPPENED TO BE FANTASTIC, BY THE WAY, CALLED PARTS. NOPE. UM, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM SOME SHOUT OUT RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS EXCELLENT FOOD . AND WE JUST LISTENED THAT MEETING. I DIDN'T BRING ANY NEW CONCEPT. I LISTENED. THERE WAS THREE BOARD MEMBERS THERE, LAUREN DECKER, THE PRESIDENT, SARAH MARCELLUS, LU BILL, AND JARED BRANDT. THEY WERE ALL VERY OPEN, VERY HONEST. IT WAS, AND IT WAS EVIDENT FROM THE FIRST OF THIS MEETING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO NOT GO THERE. THEY WANTED US TO GO THERE THAT WOULD WORK WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THREE OF THEM GIVING THEIR TIME. UM, AND MEETING TWICE WITH US IS UNUSUAL. AND I WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. WHEN I LISTENED TO 'EM, THE MAIN THING WAS THEY'RE VERY, VERY PROUD OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND TODAY, THAT'S NOT AS COMMON AS IT SHOULD BE. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. WHAT THEY LIKE ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FRONT YARD ORIENTED. THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORS WALKING AROUND TALKING TO OTHER NEIGHBORS, AND THEY WANTED THE SAME FEEL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE VERY FIRST THING, THE CHANGE WE MADE IS WE FLIPPED IT SO THAT THESE TOWNHOUSES WILL FACE ABOUT, UH, MAIN STREET AND FACED TYLER ON THE NORTH WITH AN ALLEY IN THE MIDDLE. NORMALLY, TOWNHOUSES ARE NOT SET BACK 35 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY. THEY TYPICALLY ARE ON MUCH SMALLER LOTS THAN WE HAVE. WE HAVE VERY LARGE TOWNHOUSE LOTS. DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SUCH A, A BIG FRONT YARD SETBACK. BUT WE DID THAT TO MIMIC THE SETBACKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT THEY'RE SET BACK SIMILARLY TO ALL THE HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD THE ROOM TO DO IT. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT ROOM BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAD A STREET IN THE MIDDLE AND THAT HAD TWO ALLEYS WRAPPING AROUND ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH. BY ELIMINATING, BASICALLY THE ALLEYS GAVE US THAT EXTRA DEPTH SO IT REALLY FITS AND WORKS WITH [00:30:01] WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. WE ALSO BROKE UP THE BUILDINGS. THERE WAS THREE REALLY LONG BUILDINGS. WE BROKE THOSE UP INTO SMALLER BUILDINGS. WE THOUGHT THAT THAT PROBABLY FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BETTER AS WELL. WE ADDED GUEST PARKING IN THE ALLEY BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS ON MAIN STREET OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE A STREET PARKING FOR GUESTS, SO WE ADDED GUEST PARKING IN THE ALLEY. UH, THAT CAN BE USED BY ALL THE RESIDENTS, BUT ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS ALONG MAIN STREET AND WITH THE ALLEY WHEN WE MET WITH THEM. WELL, SO THAT WAS BASICALLY THEIR BIGGEST CONCERNS WAS THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT IT WAS SCREENED OFF FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WENT BACK, MADE ALL THESE CHANGES, AND WE HAD A SECOND MEETING AND THEY WERE SO GRACIOUS TO INVITE ME INTO SARAH'S HOME. WE MET ON A FRIDAY AROUND LUNCHTIME. UM, WE HAD A SECOND MEETING WITH ALL WITH LAUREN, SARAH, AND JARON AND I WENT OVER ALL THE CHANGES WE MADE. AND AFTER THE MEETING, THEY, THEY SEEMED VERY THANKFUL. UM, BY FLIPPING IT TWO, WE SAVED ALL OF THE STREET PERIMETER TREES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE. AND SO THAT WAS A BIG DEAL. THOSE ARE BEAUTIFUL TREES AND IT'S ONLY GONNA MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NICER FOR THE DEVELOPER AS WELL. SO THAT WAS A VERY POSITIVE OUTCOME FROM WHAT THEY GAVE US TO LOOK AT. UM, AT THAT MEETING, WE, WE GOT A FEW EXTRA IDEAS FROM THEM. WE ADDED FOUR SIDEWALKS, TWO ON THE NORTH SIDE AND TWO ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT CONNECT THE GUEST PARKING TO THE STREET SIDEWALKS, THE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS, SO THAT IF YOU HAD TO PARK IN THE GUEST PARKING AND MAYBE YOU WEREN'T THE BEST OF FRIENDS OR FAMILY AND YOU WANTED TO GO TO THE FRONT DOOR, WE HAVE PATHS NOW TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS ON BO STREET. THEY WANTED SOME LIGHTING FOR SECURITY, NIGHTTIME SECURITY IN THE ALLEY, WHICH IS ON, IS ON THE CASE. AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE LIGHTING. AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE SOME, UM, WE'VE LEFT SOME LANDSCAPE VIOLENCES IN THE ALLEY. I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK WITH THE CITY, BUT WE WOULD LIKE ALSO TO HAVE, AND MAYBE NOT BIG TREES IN THE ALLEY. 'CAUSE BIG TREES AND CARS DON'T GO THAT WELL TOGETHER, BUT A, A ROW OF TREES DOWN THE, DOWN THE ALLEY AS WELL. SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BIG OPEN SEA OF CONCRETE. LET ME SEE. AND AS DEREK HAS SAID, A LOT OF TOWNHOUSE PROPERTIES DON'T HAVE SOMETIMES ENOUGH OFF STREET PARKING. EVERY UNIT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGE. WE SET THE REAR SETBACK FROM THE ALLEY AT 25 FEET SO THAT THERE'S TWO NICE PARKING SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND THE RESIDENCE, EVEN FOR LARGE PICKUPS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE GUEST PARKING. AND SO WE FEEL LIKE, AND EVEN THOUGH, AND WE HAVE STREET PARKING FOR GUESTS AROUND TYLER, UH, AS WELL. SO I THINK THIS, THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL FOR THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE THAT MUCH AVAILABLE PARKING. UM, AND WE INCREASED THE OPEN SPACE. NOW HOW WE DID THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAD THE ALLEYS WRAPPING AROUND THE RESIDENCES TYING TO THE STREET THROUGH THE MIDDLE. AND SO ALL OF THAT AREA WITH THE, WHERE THE ALLEYS WERE ON THE EAST AND WEST END, WE GAVE TO OPEN SPACE. AND WHERE WE PUT THE OPEN SPACE WAS ON THE WEST END OF LONG GROVE. AND ALONG THE EAST END, ALONG THAT PORTION OF TYLER, THERE ARE VERY BIG OPEN SPACES. AND WE'VE ALSO AGREED IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO PUT A BENCH, COMMERCIAL BENCH ON A CONCRETE PAD, ONE ON THE EAST SIDE AND ONE ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ONE OF ONE OF THESE MEMBERS WAS THEY WALKED THEIR DOG A LOT RIGHT DOWN THIS ROAD AND THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG BELT LINE, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE CURB FOR A PORTION. AND HE ALWAYS WAS NERVOUS ABOUT HIS DOG GETTING INTO THE TRAFFIC, AND WHICH I UNDERSTAND I'M A DOG OWNER. UM, AND SO WE AGREED NOT ONLY WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT SIDEWALK OVER AWAY FROM THIS, AWAY [00:35:01] FROM THE CURB AND HAVE THE TYPICAL GRASSED PARKWAY BETWEEN, AND WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO REPLACE ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS AROUND THIS WHOLE BLOCK. 'CAUSE WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S JUST, IT MAKES SENSE. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR NEW PLAN, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. DORIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR JIM. MM-HMM . THANK YOU, UH, VERY MUCH FOR, UH, PRESENTING THIS. AND, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE HOA MEETING WITH THE HOA. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED INFILL IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING, UH, NOT ONLY TO MYSELF BUT THE COUNCIL ABOUT REVERSING THE FRONTAGE ON THE FRONT SIDE. UM, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE SETBACK IS A LITTLE LARGER. IT GIVES THEM A FRONT YARD, MAKES IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE RESIDENTIAL. AND I REALLY LIKE THE LARGER COMMON AREAS ON EACH END WITH THE, WITH THE BENCH AND THE ALLEY DOWN THE CENTER. AND YOU DID MENTION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SHOWN IN THIS, UH, SCHEMATIC, THERE ARE TREES ON EACH OF THOSE LITTLE CENTER PTES DOWN THE ALLEY. WE'RE GONNA PUT TREES OKAY. WITHIN THE ALLEY. SO SOMETHING LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, CREPE MYRTLES OR SOMETHING SUSTAINABLE. PROBABLY SOMETHING MORE ORNAMENTAL DOESN'T GET REAL BIG. OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE CREPE MYRTLES MAYBE. YEAH. YEAH. IT, IT, IT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK VERY, YEAH. ESPECIALLY A GUEST ARE DRIVING IN THERE, THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR MAIN ENTRY POINT TO, YOU KNOW, TO, SO I GUESS THEY'LL GET OUT, EITHER COME THROUGH THE BACK DOOR OR THEY'LL WALK AROUND TO THE, TO THE FRONT. AND WILL THERE BE ANY PATHWAYS THROUGH THE COMMENT AREA THERE TO GET TO THE FRONT? THEY'RE JUST GONNA WALK ON THE SIDEWALK AND WALK. WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S HARD TO SEE ON YOUR CONCEPT PLAN, BUT WE HAVE TWO SIDEWALKS THERE WE GO. GOING FROM THE ALLEY BETWEEN SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. YEAH, I SEE THAT UP TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS. I SEE THAT NOW. I DIDN'T ZOOM IN SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BLOCK TO GET TO THE FRONT DOORS. SO RIGHT HERE. YEAH, I SEE THAT NOW. I THINK IT'S RIGHT THERE. YEAH. YEAH. I SEE IT. THERE'S SEVERAL, THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4 LOCATIONS ON BOTH. SO THAT, THAT'S GREAT. UM, I DO LIKE THE ARCHITECTURE. I THINK, UH, IT, IT SORT OF, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF TRANSITIONAL. IT FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT KEEPING THE TREES FOR SUSTAINABILITY. I KNOW YOU CAN'T ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, KEEP EVERY SINGLE TREE WHEN YOU'RE CREATING A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, BUT Y'ALL HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ON THE EXTERIOR, WHICH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT THE SIDEWALKS OF BEING MOVING THEM FROM FOUR TO FIVE FEET. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THESE DAYS. MM-HMM . UM, AND I, AND I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO SCREENING WALL ANY LONGER. SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY, IT LOOKS MORE INTEGRATED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE, UH, THE ONE TO HAVE TWO OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, ONE ON THE LIGHTING. ARE YOU CONSIDERING, AND AS YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU'RE GONNA WORK WITH CITY, UH, STAFF ON CREATING, WHAT KIND OF APPROPRIATE LIGHTING WOULD THAT LIGHTING BE? POST LANTERNS IN FRONT AND AROUND THE SIDE? IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE IMAGE? ARE YOU JUST THINKING ABOUT A, A TRADITIONAL STREET LIGHT THAT MIGHT POP UP? WELL, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS MOSTLY IN THE ALLEY BECAUSE IT'LL BE VERY DARK BACK THERE. UM, AND SO WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO, TO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE LIGHTING. WE HAVEN'T MADE A DETERMINATION YET. UM, BUT WE'LL BE LIGHTING THAT UP FOR SECURITY AT NIGHTTIME. NOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY CONSIDERED STREET LIGHTING BECAUSE THIS IS BASICALLY LIKE A RESIDENCE. THEY'LL HAVE FRONT PORCH LIGHTS. YES. I FIGURED THEY THAT DIDN'T MAKE HAVE TO PUT POST LIGHTS WE'LL PUT. WE MAY HAVE TO PUT IN SOME STREET LIGHTS, NORMAL STREET LIGHTS AT THE INTERSECTION. STUFF THAT MAY NOT EXIST NOW AS A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT, BY CHANCE THAT THAT GETS THROWN INTO THE EQUATION, IT WOULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING TO HAVE. IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE BOUTIQUEY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LIGHTING DOWN THAT STREET, BUT DAD'S A LITTLE EXTRA INTEREST AND I UNDERSTAND EACH PORCH IS GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN PORCH LIGHT. UM, MY, MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS THIS GOING TO BE AN HOA? YES. IT HAS TO BE FOR TOWNHOUSES BECAUSE RIGHT. I JUST, MY QUESTION, THEY SHARE ROOFS MM-HMM . AND YOU NEVER WANT ONE PARTICULAR OWNER TO CHANGE HIS ROOF. SO THE HOA WITH TOWNHOUSES ALWAYS HARRY'S INSURANCE FOR THE ROOFS. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE FOUR OPEN SPACES AS WELL AS SOME [00:40:01] COMMON AREAS. SOME LANDSCAPED ISLANDS IN THE ALLEY. THAT'LL ALL BE ALL OF THE LAWN MAINTENANCE BE HANDLED BY THE ASSOCIATION AS PART OF YOUR DUES. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT'S A NICE, I I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A MANDATORY HOA THAT OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL FIGURE OUT WHO, HOW THAT IS MANAGED THROUGH THE HOA MM-HMM . GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM . MR. CORCORAN. WELL, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. UM, I JUST WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THAT THIS SETS A REALLY HIGH BAR FOR FUTURE TOWNHOUSE AND FIELD DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR GOING BACK AND ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DID HERE. IT'S, IT'S REALLY FANTASTIC. WELL, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. MM-HMM . I HAVE MET WITH MANY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SURROUNDING H HOAS AND DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT GROUPS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THIS ONE, ONE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS GREAT TO WORK WITH. AND TWO, I THINK EVERYTHING THEY SUGGESTED TO ME MADE THIS BETTER. MM-HMM . ABSOLUTELY MADE IT BETTER FOR THEM, MADE IT BETTER FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT. I LOVE TO HEAR THAT. I DO HAVE, I DO ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF REAL QUICK. UM, IF, SO, THIS KIND OF GOING OFF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN WAS SAYING, SO REMIND ME, LIKE THE RULE, THE RULES ON WHO MAINTAINS THE ALLEY. IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE MY VOTE NECESSARILY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR JUST TO KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO MAINTAINS THIS ALLEY SINCE THERE ISN'T A GATE GOING IN AND OUT. IS THAT GONNA BE US? MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. BE THE CITY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. B, UH, WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS. BARRIO SLINKY BARRIO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GET THAT OUT. I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE TWO YEARS. UM, , UM, MR. MAGNER, UH, CAN YOU HELP CLARIFY THAT? SO THAT WILL BE THE, UH, ISLAND WILL BE MAINTAINED BUS, OR IS THAT THEM OR ARE WE TALKING JUST STREET MAINTENANCE IS OURS. THE CONCRETE MAINTENANCE WILL BE, THE CONCRETE MAINTENANCE WILL BE OURS. YEP. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO DI WHAT HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING AND SAY THANKS AGAIN. UH, I REALLY LIKED, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE EXTRA, UH, GREEN SPACE HE ADDED, REMOVING THE BARRIER AND ALLOWING IT TO BLEND IT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND BECOME PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS A NEIGHBORHOOD SET ASIDE AND WALLED OFF. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY WHEN I SEE PROJECTS LIKE THIS. AND I OBVIOUSLY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I, I LOVE THIS. UM, I THINK IT'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO US. I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I KNOW THOSE WEREN'T ALWAYS THE EASIEST CONVERSATIONS, I'M SURE. UM, BUT I, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT AND I, I REALLY HOPE THAT MORE DEVELOPERS WOULD COME IN AND, AND TAKE THOSE KIND OF SUGGESTIONS TO HEART WHEN NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, SO AS HE MENTIONED, YOU RAISED THE BAR. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND UH, I THINK YOUR PRIME EXAMPLE, THE KIND OF PARTNERS WE WANNA SEE IN THE CITY AND THE KIND OF RELATIONSHIPS WE WANNA BUILD WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO BECOME PART OF IT. THANK YOU. ALL THE CREDIT GOES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SO THANK YOU. AND THERE WAS ONE CHANGE WE MADE THAT I DIDN'T MENTION, AND THAT WAS IN MOST DEVELOPMENTS, MANY, MANY DEVELOPMENTS. THE CITIES KIND OF PUSH US TO TRY TO GO MORE UPSCALE, BIGGER HOMES, HIGHER PRICES. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DIDN'T REALLY WANT. THEY DIDN'T WANT NEW HOMES THAT WERE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THEIRS. AND SO WE AGREED TO A MINIMUM OF 1500 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS ABOVE YOUR MINIMUM FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT WE ALSO CA IT AT 2000. UM, SOME NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM. THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A REASONABLE MAXIMUM. AND FORTUNATELY I WAS ABLE TO CONVINCE THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST AS WELL. THANK YOU MR. CHU. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. WELL FIRST LET ME SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING, NOT JUST LISTENING AND WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS ONE OF THE EXAMPLE. IT SHOWS THAT WHEN YOU LISTEN, UNDERSTAND IT COMES OUT WITH A BETTER, MUCH BETTER PRODUCT. UH, I HAVE SOME QUESTION, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M SO HAPPY WITH THIS. MY GOAL WILL NOT CHANGE BECAUSE OF THOSE ANSWER. SO JUST, UH, JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU SOME OF THE THINGS. [00:45:01] ELECTRICAL, THE ELECTRICAL LINE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING, ARE THOSE GONNA BE, UH, UNDERGROUND OR AREA? NO, WE'RE GONNA GO ALL UNDERGROUND. ALL ON ALL. THE NEW LINE WOULD BE UNDERGROUND. BE UNDERGROUND. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. AND WHAT ABOUT THE UTILITIES? ARE YOU PUTTING ANY UTILITIES? UH, UNDER THE ALLEY AREA? I THINK WE WILL BE PUTTING UTILITIES. UM, REALLY HAVEN'T STUDIED. THAT'S A GREAT DETAIL, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE FOR SURE NICE IF WE CAN INCORPORATE SANITARY SEWER IN THE ALLEY AND COMING IN THE REAR OF THE HOMES. YEAH. I MEAN YOU HAVE, SINCE YOU HAVE DEVELOPED STREET ON BOTH SIDE MM-HMM . YOU COULD GO BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WORKS RED WISE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. UH, NOW I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE MOVING THE SIDEWALK AWAY FROM THE STREET, GIVING THREE FEET, YOU KNOW, A GREEN SPACE, THAT'S THE STANDARD AND MAKING IT FIVE FEET SIDEWALK. I THINK MOST OF THE CITIES AROUND US, AT LEAST DALLAS, FOUR TO ARLINGTON, THEY'RE STRICTLY GOING FIVE FEET AND THEY'RE MAKING DEVELOPER REDO THE STREET AROUND THEIR DEVELOPMENT WITH FIVE FEET. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT DOING THAT. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REALLY MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY ALL THE TIME. A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING HERE, UH, NOT FOR THIS CASE, BUT FOR THE FUTURE CASE. I KNOW THAT THIS YOU ARE SETTING, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE SETTING A BAR HERE. I WOULD NOT SAY THAT YOU ARE SETTING UP A BAR HERE. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE STUDY FOR LAST YEAR ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I THINK THAT SETS THE BAR UP FOR THE CITY AROUND THAT, HOW, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS GOES PRETTY CLOSE TO ONE OF THE EXAMPLE THEY HAD. SO NOW YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA THROW MY WASTE LIST, NOT FOR THIS PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE PROJECTS WHEN IT COMES. I DO UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATION OF THIS PROJECTS. UH, THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO BECAUSE OF THE ALL THE TREE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. UH, THE WISH THING WOULD BE THAT IF YOU HAD A LITTLE BIT BIGGER LAND, WE COULD HAVE PUT ANOTHER GREEN SPACE, COMMON GREEN SPACE IN THE ALLEY AREA, UH, MAKING IT MORE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY GARDEN TYPES. SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY PERFECT THING THAT FOR THESE PROJECTS. BUT, BUT AGAIN, I DO UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATION, THE SIZE, LAND SIZE AND ALL THIS. THIS IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE, BUT YOU DID REALLY BEST TO GET TO WHAT'S BEST. THIS IS THE BEST DESIGN COULD HAVE BEEN. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT MAYBE A LITTLE MORE OPEN SPACE IN THE ALLEY. IF THIS WAS A NORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WE COULD PARK ON EAST MAIN. YES. BUT SINCE WE CAN'T HAVE GUEST PARKING ON EAST MAIN AND WE LOST, YOU CAN SEE HOW WIDE THAT STRIP IS TO GET THAT PARKING IN THERE. AND SO, BUT A GUEST PARKING OFF STREET IS MAN IS, HAS TO BE THERE FOR THIS TO WORK. SO NO, ABSOLUTELY. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO SAY THAT THI BECAUSE THIS WOULD NOT BE REALLY THE LAST CASE FOR, FOR US OR EVEN THE FUTURE COUNCIL. SO SOMEONE IS LISTENING AND IF SOMEBODY IS LISTENING, PROBABLY THEY WILL THINK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT PEOPLE LIKED, RESIDENTS LIKED, AND THEY COULD THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT. I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. HUTCHIN. RUTGER. THANK YOU MAYOR. SEVERAL WEEKS. IT LOOKED AGO. YOU LOOKED AT ME PRETTY FUNNY WHEN I SAID, WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE THIS CASE AND HAVE YOU GO MEET WITH THE HOA UM, I'LL TAKE IT. THAT I HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THERE. HUH? , I'M JUST TEASING YOU. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND I ALSO, I ESPECIALLY WANNA SAY THANK YOU WHEREVER SHE WENT. SHE WAS SITTING THERE A MINUTE AGO. WHERE'D SHE GO? LAUREN LAUREN'S HERE. THERE YOU ARE. YOU MOVED. YOU WERE OVER THERE A MINUTE AGO. LAUREN MOVED. LAUREN, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND THE HOA FOR WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. UM, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, I'VE SAID IT AGAIN. WHEN PEOPLE GET IN A ROOM AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER, SOME INCREDIBLE THINGS CAN HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU. AND I KNOW YOU LOOKED AT ME FUNNY, BUT WELL EVERY NOW AND AGAIN THAT'S OKAY. PEOPLE DO ALL THE TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU CALLING THAT FUNNY. IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE LIKE DISAPPOINTING. I THAT'S FAIR. . VERY FAIR. VERY FAIR. AND I KNOW YOU, BUT I HAVE TO HONEST I KNOW YOU WERE, BUT I I I, I HAVE MET WITH ASSOCIATIONS BEFORE WHERE THINGS DON'T GO WELL. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. UNDERST THIS IS AN, A FAIR ASSOCIATION THAT WORKED WELL WITH US. THEY DIDN'T TRY TO KEEP THIS A PARK OR SOMETHING. THEY WANTED US TO BE A PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. THAT'S A WONDERFUL GROUP. THAT'S A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH. AWESOME. WELCOME. HEAR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT JIM. THANK YOU. UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE A SEAT AND IF NEEDED, WE'LL CALL YOU [00:50:01] BACK UP TO THE PODIUM. MS. EMER, UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS PLEASE? I HAVE ONE CARD. MAYOR TONY PATAGONIA. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. MAYOR, YOU WERE HERE THE FIRST, THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE. IT WAS YOUR FIRST DAY ANDREW, SO, AND JIM, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. UH, I LIVE AT 3 0 9 MARTHA MANOR. UH, I WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION 32 YEARS AGO. UH, BETTER PEOPLE THAN I ARE NOW ON THAT BOARD. UH, I'M GONNA SAY THIS, UH, I CAME HERE TONIGHT WITH GRATITUDE. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT JIM WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT JIM. I CAME OUTTA HERE THREE WEEKS AGO OR FOUR WEEKS AGO. WE WERE ALL MEETING OUT IN THE HALLWAY. AND IT'S NOT JUST JIM, IT'S THE DEVELOPERS. AND I LOOKED AT HIM AFTER COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER MADE THAT MOTION. AND I LOOKED AT JIM AND I SAID, UNLESS YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE DENSITY AND UNLESS YOU CAN TURN IT AROUND, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SUPPORT IT. BUT THE BOARD WILL LISTEN. AND JIM TOOK THAT TO HEART, AS DID THE DEVELOPERS. 'CAUSE THEY WERE OUT THERE, THEY REALLY WANTED TO LISTEN. WE PROBABLY SPENT 20 MINUTES OUT THERE, HAD THE EXCHANGE. I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHY IT WORKED THOUGH, KEN. I WENT TO A SICILIAN RESTAURANT, . AND WHEN YOU GO TO A SICILIAN RESTAURANT, MY LAST NAME'S PATAGONIA. I'M NOT ITALIAN, I'M SICILIAN. WHEN YOU GO TO A SICILIAN RESTAURANT, YOU HAVE FOOD, YOU LISTEN TO EACH OTHER, YOU COME BACK, YOU WIND UP WITH A PLAN. SO I WANNA THANK THE DEVELOPER. I WANNA THANK JIM FOR HIS HARD WORK. I WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL. 'CAUSE YOU SET THIS IN MOTION AND YOU ALLOWED THE HOMEOWNERS BOARD TO LOOK AT THE PLANS THAT WE'VE SET FORWARD AND SAID, HEY, WE WANNA FIND THAT MIDDLE. WE, WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TO SCALE. WE WANT SOMETHING THAT CREATES MORE WALKABILITY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE ENOUGH STRUGGLE WITH THAT, WITH GROVE AND ABRAMS AND GREENVILLE THAT ALL RUN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THIS ACTUALLY HELPS THAT. SO I'M NOT GONNA WASTE ANYBODY'S MORE, MORE TIME. BUT MY MOTHER SAID THAT IF YOU WANTED TO THANK PEOPLE, YOU DID IT IN PERSON. SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND SARAH COULDN'T BE HERE, SHE WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT SPOKE LAST TIME SHE TURNED IN HER COMMENTS. LAUREN TURNED IN HER COMMENTS. MY MOTHER WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED IF I DIDN'T COME AND SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU TONY. ANY MORE? CARDS? NO OTHER CARDS, MAYOR. ALRIGHT, MS. HUTCHEN WRIGHT WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. DORIAN SECOND HAD A MOTION. A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS PLEASE. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ALRIGHT, MRS. JUSTICE. YEAH, MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS TONIGHT AND I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 24 WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, UH, ALONG WITH ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE. UH, 45 34. MR. DORIAN, I SECOND THAT, THAT A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHTY. IS OUR OTHER NOT HERE? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA [8. CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 24-21, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. 4535, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM O-M OFFICE WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE O-M OFFICE DISTRICT WITH AMENDED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ON A 7.52-ACRE TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 2140 LAKE PARK BOULEVARD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.] GO TO ITEM EIGHT, CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 24 DASH 21 AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 45 35 AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING PLAN, EXCUSE ME, ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING LOCATED AT 2140 LAKE PARK BOULEVARD. ALRIGHT, MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, DEREK PETERS IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND PRESENT, UH, THE CITY'S UM, UH, BRIEFING ON THIS. UH, IT'LL FOCUS ON THE TECHNICAL. UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A, UH, POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL AS WELL. AND SO, UM, WE WILL, UH, TURN IT OVER TO DEREK AND THEN, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO, TO PRESENT THEIR BRIEFING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THIS CASE ZONING FILE 24 21 WAS FIRST SCHEDULED FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON JANUARY 13TH AND FEBRUARY 3RD, WHERE IT WAS CONTINUED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE OUTREACH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE YELLOW PORTION SHOWN ON THE AERIAL HERE. IT'S 7.5 ACRES, UH, AND IT BORDERS ON THE CITY OF DALLAS TO THE NORTH. SO CURRENTLY THE ZONING THAT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY IS CALLED OM OFFICE WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS WITH A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE, [00:55:01] UH, NUMBER 3, 3 1, 5 3. SO THIS ORDINANCE OR THIS ORDINANCE WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS IS VERY SIMILAR TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN THAT IT HAS SPECIAL CONDITIONS AND A CONCEPT PLAN. IT ALSO HAS THESE EIGHT SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT RELATE TO DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. AND I'LL GO OVER A FEW OF THESE IN A MINUTE. SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN ADOPTED FOR THE AREA. SO THIS AREA, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS THE LENNOX CENTER, WAS A MASTER PLANNED AREA THAT'S BANNED FROM COIT ROAD TO THE WEST TO WATERVIEW PARKWAY TO THE EAST, AND THEN CAMPBELL TO THE SOUTH, UP TO THE CITY LIMITS TO THE NORTH, WHERE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON BORDERS ON THE CITY OF DALLAS IN 1989, LENNOX FIRST DEVELOPED THEIR, UH, FIRST OFFICE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE. IN 1996. THE AREA THAT'S SEEN HERE WAS STILL UNDEVELOPED AND THIS MASTER PLAN CONCEPT WAS ADOPTED. THE MASTER PLAN CONCEPT INCLUDED SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT ALLOWED EIGHT STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS AND HOTELS, INCREASED SETBACKS AND INCREASED LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, AND REDUCED FLORIDA AREA RATIO TO NAME A FEW OF THOSE CONDITIONS. UH, ON THIS IMAGE, THE SUBJECT SITE SH IS SHOWN IN THE RED TO SHOW SOME CONTEXT IN COMPARISON TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. AND THIS AREA IS WITHIN AN AREA KNOWN AS TRACT B THREE BORDERED IN BLUE, WHICH I MAY REFER TO HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. THIS SHOWS CHANGES OVER TIME AS COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. SO ORIGINALLY THE LINUX AREA DEVELOPED PRE 1996 AND THAT'S SHOWN IN RED. THEN THE RETAIL DEVELOPED, UH, 1999 THE HOME DEPOT AREA DEVELOPED. AND THEN AFTER THAT IN THE TWO THOUSANDS, THE OTHER AREAS IN PINK AND PURPLE WERE CARVED OUT INTO THEIR OWN PDS. THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF THIS MASTER CONCEPT PLAN AND INSTEAD INDIVIDUALLY DEVELOPED INTO THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL PDS. UH, WHERE BEFORE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN IT SHOWED PARKING GARAGES, OFFICES AND HOTELS. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN. SO SHORTLY THEREAFTER IT WAS APPROVED IN 96, IT WAS AMENDED TO FURTHER REFINE THE CONCEPT PLAN AS THE PROPERTY AND SUB AREAS WERE SOLD OFF. SO THE CONCEPT PLAN NOW SHOWS, UM, WHAT'S SHOWN IN RED FOR THE SUBJECT SIDE AREA, WHICH IS WHAT IS SEEN TODAY AND WHAT EXISTS TODAY ON THE SITE. SO AGAIN, THE SITE IS 7.5 ACRES. IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH AN EIGHT STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS 200,000 SQUARE FEET AND A THREE STORY STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE AND A PARKING LOT THAT CONTAINS 176 PARKING SPACES. SO THAT'S A VIEW OF THAT PARKING LOT AND A VIEW OF THAT EIGHT STORY BUILDING ON THE SUBJECT SITE. LAST YEAR, THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THAT PLAN. IT SHOWED THIS AREA DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRY AND INNOVATION, WHICH IS A PLACE TYPE CHARACTERIZED BY A FOCUS ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES AND INNOVATION WITHIN OFFICES AND BUSINESS PARKS AND OFFICE AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT USES ARE IDENTIFIED AS PRIMARY USES WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. SO THEY'RE SHOWING AS LABELED HERE AS BUILDING BA NEW 45,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. THE FRONT PORTION OF THE BUILDING WILL BE TWO STORIES. THIS WILL CONTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, AND THEN THE REMAINING 35,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING WILL BE SINGLE STORY AND WILL HOUSE TESTING CHAMBERS. THE BUILDING WILL BE 32 FEET TALL TO THE ROOFTOP, 36 FEET TALL TO THE TOP OF THE SCREENING PARA PIT. AND THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WILL BE 28 FEET TALL. THERE'S ALSO THREE POINTS OF ENTRY TO THE SITE, UH, ONE FROM THE EAST WHERE THERE'S AN ALLEY RUNNING ALONGSIDE THE, UH, CURRENT BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND BEHIND THE PARKING GARAGE THAT ALLEY MEETS TATUM TO THE EAST. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON THE SITE ITSELF THAT MEET LAKE PARK BOULEVARD TO THE, TO THE SOUTH, INCLUDING THE ONE DRIVEWAY AT THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN A DRIVEWAY TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING. SO HERE ARE THE DETAILED EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. SO THEY PROPOSE TO CARVE OUT THIS SUBJECT SITE AND CREATE ITS OWN DEDICATED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR OFFICE WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS. MOST OF THE EXISTING SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT APPLY TO THE CURRENT SITE WILL BE CARRIED OVER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FOLLOWING FIVE MODIFICATIONS. SO THEY DO INTEND TO ADD THE USE OF A RESEARCH LABORATORY AND FACILITY AS A PERMITTED USE OF THIS LOCATION. THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS A DEFINITION, WHICH IS A BUSINESS ENGAGED IN RESEARCH AND NEW PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES [01:00:01] IN THE FIELD OF MEDICINE OR IN HIGH TECHNOLOGY INTENSIVE FIELDS, INCLUDING ONSITE MANUFACTURER AND ASSEMBLY OF HIGH TECHNOLOGY PROTOTYPES, PROVIDED ALL ACTIVITIES AND STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. THIS LAND USE TYPE IS ALLOWED IN THE BASE OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, AS OF 2002 WHEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED AND AND MODERNIZED, UH, THEY, THAT IS WHEN THIS DEFINITION WAS INCORPORATED AND THEN SPECIFICALLY LISTED AS AN ALLOWED USE. HOWEVER, AS I MENTIONED, THIS ORDINANCE AND THIS, UM, THE ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES TO THIS SITE, THE MASTER PLAN ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED IN 1996 AND WAS NOT AMENDED TO REFLECT THE NEW USE. SO THIS IS A MAP OF CURRENT LOCATIONS IN THE CITY WHERE THEY ARE ZONED AS OFFICE OR TECHNICAL OFFICE CURRENTLY. SO THESE ARE AREAS WHERE A RESEARCH LABORATORY FACILITY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AT THIS TIME. AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS SHOWN IN RED. SO IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING RELIEF ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE CURRENT EIGHT STORY BUILDING, WHICH REQUIRES 702 PARKING SPACES. IN ADDITION, WITH THE NEW OFFICE SPACE AND THE NEW RESEARCH FACILITY, THE SITE IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 830 PARKING PLACES IN TOTAL. HOWEVER, IT WILL ONLY PROVIDE SIX, PROVIDE 600 IN THE SURFACE PARKING LOT AND IN THAT PARKING GARAGE, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT THEY ONLY EXPECT A MAXIMUM OF 62 EMPLOYEES AT THIS FACILITY. THEY'VE PROVIDED PARKING OBSERVATION STUDIES THAT FOUND THE CURRENT PARKING STRUCTURE IS ONLY UTILIZED AT 65%. UM, SO OVERALL THEY ARE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION OF 27.7 PARKING SPACES TO BE REQUIRED. IN ADDITION, THEY SAID THEIR SOUTHERN CAMPUS ARE THEIR SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LENNOX CAMPUS. THAT IS ON A SEPARATELY PLATTED PARCEL IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THIS SUBJECT SITE. UM, WHICH ALSO, WHICH CONTAINS ANOTHER LENNOX EIGHT STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND PARKING GARAGE. THAT SITE HAS AN ADDITIONAL, HAS A SURPLUS OF 125 PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE AT THAT SOUTHERN PART OF THE CAMPUS. SO IF THEY WERE TO APPLY THOSE PARKING SPACES, THE REDUCTION WOULD BE A 15% DECREASE AS OPPOSED TO 27.7 OR 27.4 SCREENING. AND THE CODE REQUIRES NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE SCREENED AGAINST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH A SIX FOOT MASONS RY SCREENING WALL. THERE IS SCREENING ON THE SITE TODAY. THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH WAS CONSTRUCTED, WAS DEVELOPED WITH AN EIGHT FOOT TALL MASONRY SCREENING WALL ON TOP OF A RETAINING WALL OF VARYING HEIGHT. AND THEN THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST WAS DEVELOPED WITH A SIX FOOT TALL DECORATIVE ROT, IRON STYLE FENCE AND A SHRUB ROOM. THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROPOSED TO LEAVE THE EXISTING SCREENING AS IS AND NOT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL MASON RY SCREENING WALL ON THAT WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. IN ADDITION TO MEETING THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, THE APPLICANTS HAVE ADDED CONDITIONS RELATED TO, UH, LANDSCAPING AND TREES. THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PRESERVING EXISTING TREES SHOWN IN RED HERE ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE NEW BUILDING. UH, THEY WILL, UH, PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES HERE IN THE AREA SHOWN IN RED. AND THEN IN THE AREA SHOWN IN BLUE, THEY HAVE PROPOSED NEW TREES WHERE THEY WILL ADD A CANOPY TREE AND LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THEY WILL ADD ONE TREE PER EVERY THREE SPACES AND ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, THEY'LL ADD ONE TREE PER EVERY FOUR PARKING SPACES. AND THIS IS ANOTHER RENDERING OF THE TREES IN THE, UM, PROPOSED LOCATIONS. ALSO, WE POINTED OUT HERE ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THERE IS A PRETTY WIDE, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S, UH, JUST GRASS RIGHT NOW. THAT IS A UTILITY EASEMENT AND THERE ARE OVERHEAD POWER LINES IN THAT AREA. SO THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLANT IN THAT AREA. THAT'S WHY THEY INSTEAD BROUGHT THE TREES INTO THE PARKING ROW AREA. UM, HERE'S ANOTHER EXCEPTION AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE TECHNICAL. UM, SO ONE AREA THEY'VE ASKED A, AN EXCEPTION FOR IS THE FAR AND FLORIDA AREA RATIO. WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION, THIS IS THE RATIO OF GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE BUILDING OR BUILDINGS IN RELATION TO THE GROSS LAND AREA OF THE SITE. IT'S EXPRESSED AS A, UM, AS EXPRESSED WITH THE GROSS FLOOR AREA BEING THE FIRST INTEGER FOLLOWED BY THE GROSS LAND AREA EXPRESSED AS A CONTINENT OF ONE BEING THE SECOND INTEGER. SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO CONTROL AND LIMIT DENSITY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TO REGULATE THE BULK MASS AND SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS IN CONTRAST TO BUILDING COVERAGE, WHICH ONLY LOOKS AT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. THIS INSTEAD [01:05:01] LOOKS AT THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF A BUILDING. SO IF IT'S A MULTI-STORY BUILDING, WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING FLOORED AREA RATIO, YOU'RE GONNA COUNT FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL FLOORS AS WELL. WHEREAS WITH MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE, IT'S JUST THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE. SO THE NEW PD WOULD INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT TO THE FAR STANDARDS. SO CURRENTLY THE STANDARDS CALL FOR A MAXIMUM FAR OF 0.60 TO ONE FOR TRACT B THREE. THE NEW PD, WHICH IS JUST PERTAINS TO THE 7.5 ACRES, WOULD PRODUCE AN FAR OF 0.79 TO ONE. HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE TO CALCULATE THE FAR BASED ON THE ORIGINAL OR BASED ON THE TRACT B THREE BOUNDARIES THAT EXIST TODAY, THE FAR WOULD BE 0.591. BUT AGAIN, THIS SUBJECT AREA IS BEING CARVED OUT AS ITS OWN SITE AND WILL HAVE ITS OWN STANDARDS OF 0.791 IS WHAT'S PROPOSED. ADDITIONALLY, THE MAXIMUM WALK COVERAGE HAS BEEN INCREASED OR IS REQUESTED TO BE INCREASED FROM 40% TO 45%. AND FINALLY, THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND DELIVERIES, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY DO EXPECT ONE TO TWO DELIVERIES OF LARGE H HVAC EQUIPMENT TO BE TESTED IN THE FACILITY PER WEEK. UH, THESE PIECE, THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WILL STAY IN FACILITY FOR MONTHS AT A TIME AND BE ROTATED OUT WITH NEW EQUIPMENT TO BE TESTED. SO THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THEY WILL COMMIT TO LIMITING HOURS OF OPERATION OR HOURS OF DELIVERY FOR THESE, UH, DELIVERIES FROM 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. I'LL ALSO CALL OUT HERE WHERE THE CONCEPT PLAN IS ZOOMED IN ON THE LOADING DOCK AREAS IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THEY SHOW THREE LOADING DOCK AREAS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE WESTWARD FACING OVERHEAD DOORS. UH, THE ONE ON THE NORTHERN MOST AREA WILL BE SCREENED BY A MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG THE LOADING RAMP. THE ENCLOSED RECYCLING MATERIAL AREA HAS EASTWARD FACING OVERHEAD DOORS AND THIS IS WHERE THE RECYCLING MATERIALS ARE GARAGED INSIDE AND WILL BE PICKED UP INSIDE THE GARAGE. AND FINALLY, THIS IS THE SUMMARY. UH, AS I MENTIONED, MOST OF THE CONDITIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN WILL BE CARRIED OVER. HOWEVER, WE'LL ADD THE ADDITION OF RESEARCH LABORATORIES AND FACILITIES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICE-BASED ZONING DISTRICT. UH, SETBACKS WILL REMAIN THE SAME. INGRESS AND EGRESS IS STILL RELATIVELY THE SAME. THE BUILDING AREA LIMITS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED SINCE B THREE HAS BEEN ADJUSTED OVER TIME. ORIGINALLY THE PLAN LIMITED, UH, TOTAL BUILD OUT TO 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET. AND NOW WITH THE ADJUSTED BORDERS, THAT'S DOWN TO 300,000 SQUARE FEET. AND LANDSCAPING IS THE SAME IN ADDITION TO THE COMMITMENT TO PRESERVE THE TREES AND PROVIDE CANOPY TREES. AND THIS IS THE SCREENING REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, PARKING REQUESTED, AND THEN THE HOURS OF OPERATION AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, THEY VOTED THREE TO ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST ON DECEMBER 17TH. AT THE TIME, THE CITY RECEIVED FIVE STATEMENTS IN SUPPORT AND 40 STATEMENTS IN OPPOSITION OF REQUEST. SINCE THAT TIME, THAT HAS CHANGED TO 15 STATEMENTS IN TOTAL IN SUPPORT AND 43 OPPOSED. THAT INCLUDES A POSITION, A PETITION FROM PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE VOY LANDING DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY WHO PROVIDED 21 SIGNATURES ON A PETITION. SO BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED OPPOSITION FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA THAT COMPRISE 29.6% OF TOTAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION, THE CITY COUNCIL, IF THEY CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, WOULD NEED A THREE TO FOURTH MAJORITY OR SIX OF SEVEN REQUIRED TO VOTE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST. SINCE THAT DOES EXCEED THE 20% THRESHOLD THAT'S REQUIRED. AND IN SUMMARY, IF THE COUNSEL SHOULD ACCEPT THE REQUEST TONIGHT, YOU SHOULD ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS WELL, 'CAUSE THAT IS PROVIDED AS WELL. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON THIS. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS OR COMMENTS FOR US. GOOD EVENING. UH, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M AOK MARA. I'M THE CEO OF LENOX. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND HEAR OUR [01:10:01] APPLICATION FOR A NEW INNOVATION CENTER IN OUR RICHARDSON CAMPUS. I'M NEW TO TEXAS. I HAVE BEEN HERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS WHEN I'VE CAME HERE. THE RICHARDSON CITY WELCOME ME WITH OPEN ARMS AND ASKED US TO BRING MORE JOBS HERE, MORE DEVELOPMENT HERE, AND ASKED US TO GROW TOGETHER. TONIGHT IS THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I WANTED TO PERSONALLY COME AND, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO OUR APPLICATION. JUST AS A BACKGROUND, UH, LENNOX HAS CALLED RICHARDSON OUR HOME SINCE 1978. WE ESTABLISHED OUR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS HERE IN 1988. WE MOVED TO TEXAS FROM MARSHALLTOWN, IOWA, WHICH ARE THE BIRTHPLACE BECAUSE WE REALLY LIKE THE POLICIES OF TEXAS, THE LANDOWNER RIGHTS IN TEXAS. WE REALLY LOVE THE DFW AIRPORT AND OVER A THOUSAND OF OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES CALLED THE CITY OUR HOME, ANOTHER 300 IN CARROLLTON. AND ACROSS THE US 10,000 OF OUR EMPLOYEES CALLED US THEIR HOME. AND ON EVERYDAY BASIS, WE FIGHT AGAINST IMPORT FROM CHINA, IMPORT FROM JAPAN, IMPORT FROM MALAYSIA, AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST HVEC MANUFACTURERS IN THE COUNTRY. THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT HERE WAS FOR RETAIL AND IT'S ZONED FOR RETAIL, HOTEL, AND OFFICE PARKS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE USING FOR. SINCE THEN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GREW. AS YOU SAW, RICHARDSON GREW AND LENOX GREW WITH THEM. WHEN WE MOVED IN HERE, UH, WE WERE A SMALLISH COMPANY. NOW WE ARE PART OF S AND P 500 AND, UH, ONE OF THE PROUD MEMBERS OF RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL, DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND VARIOUS DIFFERENT BODIES. WE WANNA PUT A INNOVATION CENTER HERE 'CAUSE WE WANNA BRING OUR CUSTOMERS HERE. WE WANNA BRING OUR DEALERS HERE WHO 10,000 DEALERS RELY ON OUR PRODUCTS TO PROVIDE GOOD SERVICES TO EVERYONE. AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO COME HERE TO SEE OUR HISTORY THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED HERE. OVER 130 YEARS IN BUSINESS FOR LENOX, STARTED BACK AGAIN IN MARSHALLTOWN IO IN 18 95, 25 YEARS SINCE WE'VE BEEN PUBLIC. THE INNOVATION CENTER, WHICH IS GONNA BE OUR PRIDE AND OUR JOY IS GOING TO BE A SHOWCASE FOR US. IT'S GONNA BRING SOME MORE HIGH PAYING JOBS, MORE ENGINEERS, MORE WHITE COLLAR JOBS. AND IF WE DON'T DO IT HERE, WE WILL SUFFER FINANCIAL HARM. WE'LL HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHICH MEANS RICHARDSON WILL SUFFER FINANCIAL HARM. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT PUT US AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE TO OTHER COMPANIES, WHETHER IT'S MEDIA BASED IN CHINA, WHETHER IT'S GREEN BASED IN CHINA, WHETHER IT'S ANY OTHER COMPANIES THAT WE FIGHT EVERY DAY ON WITH OUR DEALERS AND THROUGH OUR CUSTOMERS. I JUST WANNA THANK THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. WE PROUDLY CALLED THE CITY OUR HOME. WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE DIFF WENT TO DIFFERENT HOAS. WE HAVE PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER IN THE BEST INTEREST AND WITH ALL GOOD FAITH, JOHN HURST, WHO LEADS OUR GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANY QUESTION AND WE'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU OKE UH, DE DID A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THE STAFF REPORT. UH, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE SLIDES VERY QUICKLY 'CAUSE SHE'S ALREADY COVERED QUITE A BIT OF THIS. UH, SO JOHN, JOHN, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? I'M SORRY. YES. JOHN HURST, UH, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS WITH LENNOX, UH, 2140 LAKE PARK BOULEVARD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WHAT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS THE, THE HISTORY. PROVIDE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, MARGO MURPHY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE PARTICULARS ON ZONING. UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE TO RESPOND TO THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH. SO THE HISTORY, UH, DEREK ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE ZONING. YOU ALREADY KNOW WHERE THE, THE PARCEL OF LAND IS, WHAT THE HISTORY LOOKED LIKE BACK IN, UH, 1983 WHEN THE CO AND CAMPBELL ZONING PLAN WAS FIRST CREATED. UH, AND THIS IS US IN 1995. UH, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD. UH, I REMEMBER WORKING IN THE OFFICE AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK OUT AND SEE COYOTES WALKING ACROSS THE FIELD. UH, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN ANYMORE. UH, AND THEN IF YOU GO 10 YEARS LATER IN 2005, YOU SEE THAT THE INTENDED USE, WHICH WAS COMMERCIAL AT THE TIME, IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THE HOME DEPOT. UH, THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER IS THE TOM THUMB, UH, UM, UPSCALE STRIP MALL WAS PUT IN. AND THEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE OFFICE APPLICATIONS, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE TOWARDS WATERVIEW PARKWAY. AND SO HERE'S THE HISTORY, AND DEREK COVERED QUITE A BIT OF THIS IN, IN 2005 AND 2011, UH, IN 2012 THROUGH 2023, ADDITIONAL USES WERE ADDED INCLUDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES, WHICH ARE TO THE WEST OF US, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH ARE TO THE SOUTHWEST AND TO THE EAST OF US. AND THEN ADDITIONAL USES SUCH AS CHURCHES, UH, DRIVE THROUGH [01:15:01] RESTAURANTS, UH, SCHOOLS AND, AND OTHER APPLICATIONS. AND EXCEPT FOR THE LIMITED RESIDENTIAL, THE AREA DEVELOPED LARGELY AS WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED. AND THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK LIKE TODAY. UH, OVER THE 11 YEARS, UH, BETWEEN 2012 AND 2023, APPROXIMATELY 1,200 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WERE ADDED TO THE AREA, WHICH ALL REQUIRED A ZONING CHANGE. SO I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO MARGO TO TALK ABOUT THE ZONING, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AS WELL AS, UH, OUR RESPONSE TO THAT FEEDBACK. THANK YOU, JOHN. HONORABLE MAYOR COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MARGO MURPHY. I'M WITH BALDWIN ASSOCIATES, 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE ON BEHALF OF LENNOX. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CON ADD MY, UH, COMPLIMENTS TO MS. MS. PETERS. SHE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING, UH, THE TECHNICAL DETAILS OF THE ZONING. SO I'M JUST GONNA ADD A LITTLE COLOR AND I'M GONNA MOVE KIND OF FAST SO YOU KNOW THAT, UH, ON THIS TRACK, THEY CAN GO EIGHT STORIES, 130 FEET. UM, AND THEN THOSE ARE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL SCREENING REQUIREMENT AND A BUILDING COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. AND OUR PARKING, UM, IS, IS WE'RE ASKING FOR A MAXIMUM OF 600 PARKING SPACES ON THE SPOT. SO AS YOU, AS YOU HEARD, WE CONDUCTED A, AN ANALYSIS OF BUILDING OF, OF THE PARKING ON THE SITE. AND THEY DID IT OVER A TIME PERIOD. UH, LENNOX EMPLOYEES GENERALLY GO TO THE OFFICE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY IF THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING. AND SO WHAT THEY FOUND WAS, ON AVERAGE 535 EMPLOYEES PARKED THERE AT A TIME, UH, EMPLOYEES AND VISITORS. UM, ON FRIDAYS, IT'S A WORK, OPTIONAL WORK FROM HOME DAY, BUT IT IS IN LENNOX'S BEST INTEREST TO PROVIDE PARKING. THEY WANT THEIR EMPLOYEES TO GET IN THERE AND GET TO WORK, AND THEY WANT THEIR VISITORS, THEIR GUESTS TO BE ABLE TO PARK IN AND VISIT THEM. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH PARKING. SO, UM, THEY WOULD, THEY'VE SETTLE ON 600 PARKING SPACES, WHICH GIVES THEM A SURPLUS OF ABOUT 10% OR MORE, 10 OR 11%. AND WE THINK THAT'LL MEET THEIR NEED. YOU HEARD THE VERY TECHNICAL, UH, DESCRIPTIONS ON BUILDING COVERAGE AND INTENSITY. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE MORE SLIDES IN OUR ADDENDUM AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH AND EXPLAIN THOSE IN GREATER DETAIL IF YOU WANT. BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCES. 31 7, UH, LET'S SEE, 30 79 A AND 31 53 A. WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THOSE, BUT AS DEREK SAID, WE'RE CARVING IT OUT TO MAKE THE THEIR OWN PD ON THIS POINT, 7 5, 2 ACRES. AND IT'S GONNA BE AN OM OFFICE DISTRICT GENERALLY WITH, WE'RE GONNA CARRY OVER THOSE SPECIAL CONDITIONS. AND SO WE THINK THAT THE LOT COVERAGE AND, AND THE FAR WILL BE VERY APPROPRIATE AGAIN, FOR THIS SITE. AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL INTENT. AND I'LL GET TO THE USE IN A MINUTE BECAUSE WE THINK THE USE HAS BEEN ALLOWED SINCE, UH, AT LEAST 1996. SO THERE'S THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. I'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH IT. UM, WE DO HAVE A SURPLUS, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT ON THAT SOUTH LOT. UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 105 EXTRA SURPLUS SPACES. SO IF THERE EVER IS AN ISSUE AND THEY'RE CONNECTED, UH, IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM FOR EMPLOYEES TO PARK ON THE SOUTH LOT. WE JUST DON'T THINK, WE DON'T EXPECT AN ISSUE AT ALL. UM, OH, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH. IN FACT, WE ASKED FOR THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, HEARING TO BE HELD SO THAT WE COULD DO, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH. AND, UM, WE TACKLED IT BY FIRST, UH, TALKING TO, WELL, THERE ARE JUST DIFFERENT GROUPS WITHIN IT. SO WE, WE, AND EACH GROUP HAS THEIR OWN INTERESTS. SO WE FIRST MET WITH THE UNIVERSITY WORLD OWNER, HOA PRESIDENT, MR. SNELLING. WE MET WITH HIM IN PERSON AND WE'VE KEPT HIM UPDATED. HE'S VERY WELL AWARE OF EVERYTHING GOING ON. PARKSIDE TOWNS IS 135, UH, UNIT DEVELOPMENT JUST WEST OF THE SITE. IT'S OWNED BY, UH, UH, VALLEY ALLEY INC. I THINK DR. BASKIN IS HERE TO SPEAK ON IT AGAIN. WE'VE MET WITH HIM IN PERSON. THEY TOURED THE SITE. THEY'VE EVEN SEEN SOME OF THE TESTING AND TRAINING FACILITIES ON THE CURRENT SITE. UM, SAVOY TRACE IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND. UM, WE INVITED ALL OF THEM TO AN IN-PERSON MEETING. AND YOU SEE THAT PICTURE THERE, NO ONE SHOWED UP. UH, SAVOY LANDING IS ON THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AND IT IS JUST EAST OF THE EIGHT STORY BUILDING. UM, ON, AND, AND ACTUALLY BACKS UP TO BACK OF HOUSE THE, THE, THE LOADING DOCK FOR THE EIGHT STORY BUILDING. WE SET A VIRTUAL MEETING WITH THEM. I I DID CALL AND REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL AS THE PROP. AND, AND, AND A FEW PROPERTY OWNERS NORTH OF THE SITE IN DALLAS TALKED TO 'EM AND SAID, HEY, WE WANNA DO A VIRTUAL MEETING. AND I ASKED FOR SOME TIMES THAT WOULD WORK. YOU KNOW, THESE MEETINGS, A LOT OF TIME NIGHT MEETINGS DON'T WORK BECAUSE PEOPLE PICK UP KIDS FROM SCHOOL AND DAYCARE AND HAVE FAMILIES. SO SOMEONE SUGGESTED A LUNCHTIME MEETING 'CAUSE IT WAS GONNA BE VIRTUAL. SO WE [01:20:01] HELD A VIRTUAL MEETING AT LUNCHTIME. UH, WE HAD A HANDFUL OF REPRESENTATIVES THERE, MAYBE HALF A DOZEN, BUT WE DID IT. UM, BY THE WAY, EACH OF THE LETTERS THAT WENT TO EACH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, WELL, THEY WENT TO THE HOA PRE PRESIDENTS AND PDF FORM. UM, WE DID GIVE, IT WAS ALMOST A TWO PAGE LETTER OF INFORMATION. AND THE LAST PARAGRAPH ALWAYS SAID, CALL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IT GAVE, IT GAVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS AND MY PHONE NUMBER. UM, AND WE DID RECEIVE SOME CALLS, JUST A HANDFUL. SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE REALLY, REALLY WORKED. UM, SO WE HAD IN-PERSON MEETINGS WITH SOME PEOPLE. I DID VISIT SOME PERSONAL HOUSES. WE TALKED TO, UM, SEVERAL PEOPLE VIRTUALLY AND ON, ON CALLS. SO WE TRIED, I'M GONNA SAY WE REALLY, REALLY TRIED. WE GOT A LOT OF, OF COMMUNITY IMPACT, UM, UH, FEEDBACK BUILDING USE, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, TRAFFIC SOUND AND VISUAL SCREENING. I'M GONNA LET JOHN SPEAK TO THOSE BECAUSE WE TOOK ALL OF THEIR FEEDBACK TO HEART KNOWING THAT WE HAVE OM ZONING ON THE SITE AND WE'VE HAD IT FOR DECADES, AND THEY WANNA TRY AND BUILD USING THE EXISTING ZONING. SO WITH A FEW MODIFICATIONS, LET'S TALK ABOUT BUILDING USE. AND DEREK REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT. SO IT'S AN OM BASED DISTRICT, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS A ITS OWN ORDINANCE, THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS ORDINANCE 31 79 A. IT HAD SPECIAL CONDITIONS. AND WHAT THEY DID AT THE TIME, I MEAN, I WASN'T THERE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR SPECIAL CONDITIONS WERE A SUBSET OF THE, OF THE USES IN THE OM OFFICE DISTRICT. SO THEY JUST TOOK THOSE, I MEAN, THEY LEFT A COUPLE OF THINGS OUT, LIKE ANTENNAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEN THE ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED IN 2002. AND THEY SAID, OH, YEAH, OM OFFICE DISTRICT SHOULD INCLUDE RESEARCH LABORATORIES AND FACILITIES. AND THEY CLARIFIED THAT. WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW IS THAT IN 1993 WHEN THIS AREA WAS MASTER PLANNED, THEY HAD THE ZONING IN PLACE, BUT THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED PROTECTIVE COVENANTS TO LAYER OVER THE ZONING. SO THEY CREATED PROTECTIVE COVENANTS, AND IT STARTED WITH ALL THE PROPERTIES IN, IN THAT AREA. BY THE WAY, THEY WERE JUST OWNED BY A HANDFUL OF PROPERTY OWNERS. IN 1996. THEY DID A PARTIAL TERMINATION OF THOSE RES, UH, PROTECTIVE COVENANTS AND SOME OF THE PROPERTIES. UM, THOSE ALONG, UM, QUITE ROAD WERE CARVED OUT OF THAT. WHEN THEY DID THAT IN 1996, THEY ADDED DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES. AND AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, THERE IS A DEFINITION, UH, FOR OFFICE USE. AND OFFICE USE INCLUDES RESEARCH LABS. SO THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROTECTIVE COVENANTS THAT ENCUMBER NOT ONLY THIS PROPERTY, BUT PARKSIDE TOWNS, SAVOY TRACE, UM, UH, LAKE PARK ESTATES, AS WELL AS THE OTHER COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE ALL VERY WELL AWARE OF THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES. AND THAT DEFINITION HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1996. SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT. SO IT'S NOT, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME. AND, UM, WHEN A PD IS CREATED, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON AND UPDATE AND KUDOS TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON BECAUSE THEY TOOK THE ORIGINAL SPECIAL CONDITIONS AND THEY JUST UPDATED MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH THE FAR AND, AND THE, THE LOT DENSITY, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT FOR USE AS WELL. BUT WE THINK IT'S BEEN VERY CONSISTENT AND IT'S BEEN AN ALLOWED USE, I WOULD SAY, SINCE 1996. UM, JOHN, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE USED? THANK YOU. THANKS, MARGO. UH, SO THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE. AND THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ACTUALLY HAS A, A DEFINITION OF INDUSTRIAL USE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE ON THE SLIDE. IT INCLUDES DISTRIBUTION, MANUFACTURING, PRINT SHOPS, WAREHOUSING, AND WHOLESALE. NONE OF THOSE ACTIVITIES WILL OCCUR IN THIS BUILDING. WE ARE, WE ARE INNOVATING, DESIGNING, TESTING, UH, COMMERCIAL HVAC EQUIPMENT IN THIS FACILITY. UM, THERE'S BEEN A CONCERN RAISED THAT WE COULD CONVERT THIS INTO A MANUFACTURING FACILITY SOMEDAY. UH, WE LIKELY WOULDN'T DO THAT. OUR SMALL FACTORIES ARE 300,000 SQUARE FEET. OUR LARGE FACTORIES ARE OVER A MILLION SQUARE FEET. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD, WOULD EVEN MANUFACTURE. UH, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A COMMERCIAL UNIT OR EVEN A RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, WE MAKE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF THESE PRODUCTS A YEAR, AND WE NEED THE SPACE TO DO THAT. UH, AND WE WOULDN'T GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IF WE WERE DOING MANUFACTURING IN THIS FACILITY ANYWAY. UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SCOPE ONE, SCOPE TWO AND SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS. THE SCOPE ONE EMISSIONS RELATED TO THIS BUILDING [01:25:01] ARE LIMITED TO THE ELECTRICITY AND THE NATURAL GAS THAT WE'LL USE TO HEAT AND COOL THE FACILITY, AS WELL AS THE, THE ELECTRICITY AND NATURAL GAS TO RUN THE, UH, HVAC EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL TEST ROOMS. AS WE'RE TESTING THEM, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTION AROUND REFRIGERANTS. I ACTUALLY MISSPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING. I SAID THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE SAME REFRIGERANTS THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN YOUR HOME TODAY. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT TRUE ANYMORE BECAUSE, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE AM ACT AND THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL, WE JUST TRANSITIONED TO A NEW REFRIGERANT ON JANUARY 1ST, 2025. SO THE REFRIGERANTS YOU HAVE IN YOUR HOME, UH, ARE NOT THE REFRIGERANTS THAT WE'LL BE USING. IF YOU WERE TO GET A NEW UNIT TODAY, IT WOULD BE THE SAME. BUT THE NEW REFRIGERANTS ARE, UH, HAVE A LOWER GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL AND ARE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. SO THE REFRIGERANTS WE'RE USING IN THIS FACILITY ARE ACTUALLY, UH, 78% HAVE A 78% LOWER GLOBAL WARMING POTENTIAL. BUT IN THE FUTURE, IT'S THE SAME REFRIGERANT YOU'LL USE IN YOUR HOME THE NEXT TIME YOU SWAP OUT YOUR AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, EITHER COMMERCIALLY OR RESIDENTIALLY. UH, WATER USE IS LIMITED TO DRINKING WATER, RESTROOMS, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, SO IT'S, IT'S LIMITED TO EVERYDAY USE. UH, AND SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE INNOVATION CENTER IS, IS MINIMAL AND CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE OM ZONING. AND IT'S NOT AN INDUSTRIAL USE. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS. UH, WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN RED IS IN RESPONSE TO NEIGHBOR, UH, NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK. AS MARGO MENTIONED, WE HAD SEVERAL, UH, MEETINGS WHERE WE MET WITH, UH, NEIGHBORING, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THE, UH, THE PRIMARY CONCERNS WERE AROUND VISUAL SCREENING, UH, NOISE MITIGATION, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND, AND SOME AROUND LIGHTING AND SECURITY. UH, A PICTURE SPEAKS A THOUSAND WORDS. SO I'D LIKE TO JUMP FORWARD TO SOME PICTURES AND SHOW YOU. UH, THESE WERE THE THINGS THAT WE DID AROUND TRAFFIC AND SOUND MITIGATION. I WILL COVER A COUPLE OF THESE POSI 'CAUSE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU PICTURES. THE, UH, LOADING DOCKS THAT, THAT DEREK HAD MENTIONED IN THE RECYCLE DOCK THAT DEREK MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. THEY WERE OUTSIDE. WE'VE MOVED THOSE TO INSIDE THE, THE BUILDING WHERE WE CAN, UH, LOAD AND UNLOAD AND, UH, THROW SCRAP METAL, UH, FOR RECYCLING IN THE BINS WITH THE DOOR SHUT. SHOULDN'T BE SEEN BY NEIGHBORS. SHOULDN'T BE HEARD BY NEIGHBORS. UH, ON THE MECHANICALS, WE HAVE AN IT GENERATOR FOR, UH, IT SYSTEMS. UH, WE MOVE THAT TO THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THE REASON WE SAY THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, THAT'S THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING. AND WE ALSO PLAN ON THE EAST SIDE. WE HAVE A, UH, A LARGE GENERATOR FOR, UH, SAFETY PURPOSES. AND, UH, FOR BUSINESS CONTINUITY, IT FIRES UP ONCE A WEEK. IT'S LOUD, AND WE WANNA PUT A NEW SURROUND AROUND THAT. UH, WE ALSO PREVIOUSLY, AFTER RECEIVING NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK, WE, WE USED TO HAVE IT RUN AT NIGHT WHEN WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD. AND NOW THAT WE'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE RUN THAT ACTUALLY DURING THE DAY, BUT WE, WE PLAN TO DO A NEW SURROUND ON THAT AS WELL. OKAY. PICTURES. DEREK HAS SHOWED THIS WHERE WE'RE, UH, PRESERVING EXISTING TREES, THE ONES THAT ARE, UH, SHOWN CIRCLED IN RED. AND THEN SHE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, ADDITIONAL SCREENING AROUND THE NORTH FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THE, AND THE WEST FACADE. UH, BUT I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES THAT, THAT, THAT SHOWED THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, WE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON, UH, THE ALLEYWAY. WE WANNA IMPROVE THE SAFETY. IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD BACK THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM WALKING BACK THERE OR SKATEBOARDING OR SCOOTERING. UH, WE WANT TO DO ADDITIONAL SIGNS. OUR CEO LAST WEEK HAD OUR QUARTERLY TOWN HALL MEETING. UH, HE OPENS EVERY TOWN HALL MEETING WITH A SAFETY MOMENT. THE SAFETY MOMENT THIS TIME AROUND WAS AROUND TRAFFIC SAFETY, SLOW DOWN, OBEY THE SIGNS, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE RICHARDSON CAMPUS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO LISTEN TO NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK AND, AND, AND STAY SAFE. UM, WE HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT SMOKING, UH, RECENTLY. WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS AN ISSUE. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, EITHER MOVING THE SMOKING AREAS OR MAYBE MAKING OUR CAMPUS A SMOKE-FREE, UH, CAMPUS COMPLETELY. UH, AND THEN ALSO WE'RE TRYING TO ENFORCE NEW DELIVERY TIMES ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ON THE EAST SIDE. UH, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY TENANT IN THE BUILDING. WE HAVE OTHER VENDORS AS WELL. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO POLICE THAT AS WELL. SO HERE'S THE PICTURES. YOU SEE THE, UH, THE GARAGE DOOR ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE, UH, SLIDE, UH, THAT IS A LOADING DOCK THAT WAS MOVED INDOORS. UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, UH, IF I CAN FIND THE, THE BUTTON HERE. THIS IS ACTUALLY A RAMP. WE ADDED A MASONRY WALL HERE AND LANDSCAPE SCREENING. WE ADDED MASONRY HERE ON ANOTHER LOADING RAMP. AND THEN THIS IS A REMOVABLE DECORATIVE RAILING. UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, OPEN, IT DIDN'T HAVE THE MASONRY, AND IT HAD KIND OF THE, THE PIPE FENCING THAT YOU'D SEE. UH, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ANOTHER PICTURE OF THAT. BUT THAT WAS BASED ON NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK. THIS IS THE RECYCLE DOOR RIGHT HERE. AGAIN, MOVED INDOORS. UH, WE ADDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THE NORTHERN FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE SCREENING. IF, IF YOU WENT BACK HERE, THIS IS THE, UH, THE EASEMENT THAT DERRICK, [01:30:02] UH, MENTIONED THAT HAS POWER LINES THAT, UH, WE CANNOT ENCROACH UPON. THIS IS THE BACK, UH, LOADING AREA. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THAT DECORATIVE SCREENING AND THE ADDITION OF MASONRY WALLS. THIS WOULD BE THE WESTERN FACADE. THIS IS PARKSIDE TOWNS. UH, OVER HERE. THIS IS WHAT THEY'D SEE. WE ADDED LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, AND DE HAS SAID THAT, UH, WE DID EVERY FOUR SPACES. IN SOME PLACES IT'S THREE. SOME PLACES IT'S FOUR. THAT WAS BASED ON THE BASKINS FEEDBACK THAT THEY WANTED TREES IN FRONT OF THE, THE TOWN HOME DOOR. SO WHEN YOU WALK OUT, YOU SEE A TREE INSTEAD OF A CAR. SO WE TRIED TO MOVE THE SPACES AND, AND MOVE 'EM AROUND A LITTLE BIT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW. IT SHOWS THE EXISTING PARKING DECK HERE AND THE RELATIVE HEIGHT OF THE INNOVATION CENTER. AND THEN THE, THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST. UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF THE TREES THAT YOU CAN SEE. I BELIEVE THERE'S AN 18 FOOT SPACE FROM THE WALL. THIS IS THE, THE NEIGHBOR, UH, THAT, THAT'S, UH, THESE ARE THE DALLAS HOMES. AND THEN THERE'S AN 18 FOOT BUFFER. UM, ACTUALLY THIS IS THE DALLAS ONE HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES VERSUS THE, UH, THE POWER LINES, AND THEN THE HEIGHT OF THE INNOVATION CENTER. AND WITH THAT, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT SUCH THAT IT'S A PLACE THAT WE'RE PROUD OF AND A PLACE THAT LENNOX IS PROUD OF. AND A PLACE THAT WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A OAK MENTIONED. UH, WHEN THE, WHEN THE JOB IS COMPLETE, WE HOPE TO ADD HIGH PAYING JOBS TO RICHARDSON. UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA ADD TO THE PROPERTY TAX ROLL OF RICHARDSON. UH, AND WE WANT IT TO BE A PLACE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WERE PROUD OF OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL. UH, WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'VE GOT GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YOUR, THESE, THE RESEARCH ACTIVITIES AND THE LABS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. WHERE DO YOU CURRENTLY DO THESE ACTIVITIES? NOW ARE, ARE THEY OUTTA STATE? ARE THEY SOME YES AND SOME NO. WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, A A LAB IN CARROLLTON. UH, WE'VE OUTGROWN IT. UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT FACILITY, BUT WE NEED MORE TESTING SPACE. AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE A, A VERY HEAVILY REGULATED INDUSTRY. UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SAYS WHAT WE HAVE TO TEST WHEN WE HAVE TO TEST IT. UH, SO WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE A LOT OF THAT. AND THAT CAN BE DONE, UH, IN DIFFERENT LABS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THEY'RE THIRD PARTY. UH, WE'D LIKE TO BRING THAT IN-HOUSE AND, AND DO IT OURSELVES. UH, SO THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS, WE HAVE A LAB IN CARROLLTON, BUT WHEN WE OUTSOURCE IT, IT CAN BE DONE AT ANY LAB IN THE UNITED STATES. OKAY. UM, I, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, UM, AIR CONDITIONERS, AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I OPEN MY APP, I CAN RAISE OR LOWER THE TEMPERATURE ACCORDING TO WHAT WE WANT IT. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE SIZE OF THESE UNITS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY'RE COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? THEY ARE, YES, SIR. THESE AREN'T THESE LITTLE ONES ON THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE. I'VE GOT TWO SMALL ONES, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S NEXT TO MY HOME. UM, HOW BIG ARE THESE? ARE THESE COMING IN ON FLATBEDS? I MEAN, HELP ME UNDERSTAND. THEY'VE LIKELY COME IN ON A 20 FOOT FLATBED IF, IF YOU'RE BRINGING ONE IN AT A TIME, WHICH WE TYPICALLY WOULD DO. UH, SO, UM, THEY ARE PROBABLY THE SIZE OF A SMALL CAR TO THE SIZE OF A LARGE MINIVAN. UM, WHEN YOU HEAR THAT THESE, THESE UNITS ARE 25 TON UNITS OR 50 TON UNITS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WEIGH 50 TONS. IT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE 50 TONS OF COOLING CAPACITY AND A TON OF COOLING CAPACITY IS, I BELIEVE, 12,000 BTU. I'M, I'M SAYING NODDING. SO THAT'S GOOD. SO A 50 TON UNIT DOES NOT WEIGH A HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS. OKAY. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I, I GOOGLED IT. THERE ARE 11 OF THESE ON THE ROOF RIGHT HERE. AND THERE'S ONE ACTUALLY ABOUT RIGHT THERE, RIGHT ABOVE US. SO THEY DON'T WEIGH 50 TONS. UH, JUST BY CONTRAST, AN M1 TANK WEIGHS 62 TONS. AND IF YOU PUT AN M1 TANK ON THE ROOF, IT'S COMING THROUGH THE ROOF. RIGHT? SO THEY WEIGH A COUPLE THOUSAND POUNDS, AND I THINK THE TALLEST ONE THAT WE MAKE IS ABOUT SEVEN FEET HIGH. UH, THE AVERAGE ONE WOULD BE ABOUT FOUR FEET HIGH. AND HOW MANY DELIVERIES DID YOU, UH, DO YOU EXPECT A DAY OR PER WEEK? WE SAID TWO A WEEK. YOU KNOW, SOME WEEKS WE WON'T HAVE ANY, AND SOME WEEKS WE MIGHT HAVE THREE. IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE TIMING OF HOW LONG THE, THE UNIT SITS ON THE TEST BENCH. SOMETIMES YOU DO A TEST AND YOU GET THE RESULT YOU WANT, AND THEN SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO SOME CHANGING OR MODIFYING TO THE EQUIPMENT TO GET IT TO HIT THE RESULT THAT IT NEEDS. SO WE SET, ON AVERAGE ABOUT TWO PER WEEK. YOU MENTIONED THE REFRIGERANT THAT'S USED. AND, UH, SO IS THIS STORED AGAIN, WHEN MY AC GUY COMES BY, HE CARRIES A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, JUG, RIGHT? A LITTLE JUG CANISTER, CONNECTS IT, AND, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE SIZE OF A PROPANE TANK, [01:35:01] LIKE WHAT I USE IN MY BACKYARD GRILL. UH, DON'T CONFUSE THE TWO, BY THE WAY. NO, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT, THAT'S A REALLY BAD THING. UH, BUT I GUESS WHERE IS THIS STORED? HOW'S THIS STORED? I MEAN, IS IT, I I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE A LARGE TANK AND IT'S FILLED EVERY SO OFTEN, OR HOW DOES, HOW DOES IT WORK? I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE A BULK TANK MARK, WILL WE? NO, WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE 25, UH, POUND CANISTERS. MUCH LIKE WHAT YOUR LOCAL TECHNICIAN WOULD BRING IN. SURE. UH, IF WE HAD TO BRING A CHARGE, SOMETIMES THE EQUIPMENT WILL COME IN PRE-CHARGED ALREADY. IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM, SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S EITHER COMING IN CHARGED AND LEAVING, CHARGED. OR IF YOU HAVE TO ADD REFRIGERANT, MUCH LIKE YOUR TECHNICIAN, WOULD YOU HOOK THE TANK UP? UH, ANYBODY THAT'S IN OUR FACILITY THAT WOULD HANDLE REFRIGERANT, UH, HAS TO ABIDE BY EPA SECTION 6 0 8. THERE'S REFRIGERANT HANDLING RULES IN TERMS OF STORAGE, TRANSPORTATION HANDLING, RECLAIM RECYCLING, UH, IT'S ENGINEERS, IT'S NOT ACME HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING. UM, MOST OF OUR CONTRACTORS ARE VERY, VERY GOOD. UH, THEY'RE ON THE HIGH END. THEY DO IT RIGHT. BUT THERE ARE SOME FLY BY NIGHT CONTRACTORS OUT THERE THAT DON'T. BUT ENGINEERS WILL BE HANDLING THIS. THEY'LL HAVE A 6 0 8 CARD. THEY'RE ALL CERTIFIED BY THE EPA. OKAY. THE LOADING DOCKS, THERE IS ONE THAT'S A, I GUESS WHAT YOU CALL THE RAMP UP AND THEN THERE'S ONES THAT ARE ENCLOSED. YES, SIR. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? WHAT KIND OF VEHICLES? I GUESS I'M ASSUMING IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TYPE OF VEHICLE IT PULLS UP. YES. BUT CAN YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG OR MAYBE KIND OF EXPLAIN YEAH, IF YOU ARE. YEAH. SO IF YOU, GREAT QUESTION. IF YOU WERE TO BRING IN A, UH, A 10 TON UNIT, AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT WEIGH 10 TONS. RIGHT? UH, PROBABLY WEIGHS 1500 POUNDS. IT WOULD COME IN ON A FLATBED AND WE WOULD BACK IT INTO THE DOCK. AND THEN THERE'S A HOIST SYSTEM WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT WOULD, UH, GRAB THE, THE UNIT. WE WOULD BRING IT DOWN, UH, LATERALLY TO THE EAST. IT TURNED DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN IT WOULD ENTER ONE OF THE TEST ENVIRONMENTAL TEST ROOMS. UH, SO THAT'S WHAT THE LOADING DOCKS ON THE SIDE ARE THAT HAVE THE GARAGE DOORS. IF A OFFICE DEPOT TRUCK COMES AND HAS THAT, YOU KNOW, RAISED BED ON THE BACK AND WE JUST WANT TO USE A PALLET JACK TO GET A, A PALLET OF COPIER PAPER INSTEAD OF BACKING AN OFFICE DEPOT TRUCK INTO THE LOADING DOCK AND BRINGING UP THE, THE, THE GARAGE, YOU'D WANT TO GET THAT OFF FAIRLY QUICKLY. WE, WE ANTICIPATE MOST OF OUR DELIVERIES, UH, THAT WOULD NORMALLY COME TO THE CAMPUS STILL COMING TO, UH, 2140, WHICH IS THE, THE EIGHT STORY BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HEAVY HAS TO COME IN, WE WOULD USE THAT BACK LOADING DOCK TO, TO DO THOSE TYPES OF DELIVERIES. OKAY. UH, LAST QUESTION, AND I'LL LET THE OTHERS, I'M SURE THEY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS TOO. I, UM, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, I, I DROVE YOUR PROPERTY AND, UH, IN HONESTY, IT WAS MY FIRST TIME ON, ON YOUR PROPERTY AND I SAT IN YOUR PARKING LOT KIND OF REVIEWED AND, UM, THE, THE, AND COMING IN TODAY, THE, I GUESS BIGGER KIND OF THING THAT WAS IN MY BRAIN WANTING TO ASK IS HOW IS THAT IF THEY CAME IN ON A STANDARDIZED FLATBED LIKE WE SEE ON THE FREEWAY OR GOING DOWN THE ROAD, IT SEEMS NARROW. I GUESS, WHAT IS THE MANEUVERABILITY? IS IT PLANNING ON COMING IN? IS THE ROUTE COMING IN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND GOING AROUND? IS IT COME THROUGH THAT LITTLE ROUNDABOUT? I'M LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECT. HE'S NODDING YES THAT IT WOULD COME IN ON THE EAST, EAST SIDE ON SIDE. YOU KIND OF HAVE A PER WE'RE UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE. YEAH. COME ON UP RICK. THIS IS OUR ARCHITECT. AND BEFORE, BEFORE HE JUMPS IN, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON HAS A REALLY GOOD ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THAT'S REALLY NOT A ZONING ISSUE. THEY WON'T GET COED UNLESS THEY CAN MAKE THE TURNS AND THE MANEUVERABILITY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DOT THEIR I AND CROSS THEIR T'S. WE'RE NOT GONNA COME TO YOU WITHOUT MEETING THOSE MINIMUM STANDARDS BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. BUT I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT DIRECTLY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA JUMP IN AND ANSWER THE REFRIGERANT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME. JOHN DID PRETTY WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR NOT BEING AN ENGINEER . SO US ENGINEERS IN THE BACK WERE COMMENDING HIM. I JUST WANNA SPECIFY ONE THING. IN A COMMERCIAL UNIT, THERE IS LESS REFRIGERANT THAN IN A STANDARD RESIDENTIAL UNIT BECAUSE IT'S A SELF-CONTAINED UNIT. SO IF YOU THINK OF A RESIDENTIAL UNIT, YOU TALK ABOUT THE TANK. MM-HMM . COMMERCIAL WILL HAVE LIKE HALF OF THAT. SO THE COMMERCIAL UNITS, BECAUSE SELF-CONTAINED HAS MUCH, MUCH LESS REFRIGERANT COMPARED TO OUR RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO IF YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE OF THOSE UNITS, YOU'D STILL PROBABLY HAVE LESS REFRIGERANT THAN A STANDARD HOUSE. JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. COUNSEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS RICK RUIZ. I AM WITH BRW ARCHITECTS AND I AM ALSO A RESIDENT OF RICHARDSON 4 0 9 GRACE DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, WE DEAL WITH THE LARGER TRUCKS, DEPENDING ON THEIR WHEEL BASE. THEY HAVE TURNING RADIUSES IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'RE USING, THE FLATBEDS, OUR 45 FOOT, UH, [01:40:01] LONG FLATBEDS, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE, AND IF YOU NOTICE ON THE SITE PLAN EARLIER PRESENTED, THERE IS THE, UH, PARKING, UM, KIND OF A PARKING SCENARIO THAT ALLOWS IT TO PARK OR BACK UP INTO THE, UH, DRIVEWAY OR THE, THE LOADING DOCK. SO THOSE, UH, THOSE RADIUSES, THE EXISTING RADIUSES ACCOMMODATE THAT. RIGHT NOW THE NEW RADIUSES ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, WHICH THEY'RE, WE'RE USING 35 FOOT RADIUSES, WHICH ARE MORE THAN ADEQUATE. THOSE WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR A, UH, SEMI-TRUCK. NOT THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON USING A SEMI-TRUCK, BUT THAT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE CAPACITY. ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT, THAT'S A FIRE LANE. THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRE TRUCKS. THOSE ARE APPROXIMATELY 45 TO 48 FEET LONG. AND THAT HAS TO BE, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. THE WIDTHS OF THE STREETS ARE REQUIRED AT 24 FEET. FOR FIRE. FOR FIRE LANES. WE ARE DOING 25 FEET AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO. AND, AND ABIDING BY ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RADIUSES. MINIMUM RADIUSES FOR, UM, FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE 24 STANDARD. WHAT WE TYPICALLY USE IS 26, AND WE ARE EXCEEDING THOSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, I'M SORRY, FINISH. SORRY. ANY, ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS? THAT, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MS. JUSTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TREES. YOU SHOWED THE REVISED CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE SECTION EXHIBITS, SO I THINK IT'S SLIDE 83 ISH. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE, THE PRESENTATION THAT THE TREES THEMSELVES ARE PRETTY TALL. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, THE CALIPER SIZE? THAT'S ONE COMMENT THAT I GOT REPEATEDLY FROM FOLKS WAS THE CALIPER SIZE OF THE TREES. RIGHT. THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BROUGHT THE WHOLE TEAM. ALL RIGHT. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. RYAN BROWN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH LJA, UH, DON'T HAVE THE ADDRESS MEMORIZED 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE A YEAR , BUT IT'S 2150 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, SUITE 300 MCKINNEY MCKINNEY, TEXAS, UH, CALIBER IS AT, WHEN WE INITIALLY PLANT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A, UH, THREE TO FOUR INCHES. BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, GROWTH DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES. UM, IT COULD RANGE BETWEEN 10 TO 12 INCHES IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE QUESTION? YEAH. THE QUESTION I GOT WAS, IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE LINUX WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT IN AT LEAST A SIX INCH CPER TREE. UM, POTENTIALLY LARGER. I THINK THE COMMENT EARLIER WAS A GOOD ONE ABOUT HOW YOU POSITION THE TREES TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORS THERE. UM, I THINK THE SIZE THAT WAS AN ISSUE. I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT SORT OF A, A, A PENCIL THIN TREE GOING IN THAT'S NOT GONNA PROVIDE ANY SORT OF, UH, RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND TREES ARE AN INVESTMENT. SO, UM, TRANSPLANTING WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION FOR SURE. UH, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON SPECIES, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE SOIL. THE SPECIES IS ONE PART THAT'S ONE PART OF THE BATTLE. UH, THE OTHER PART IS THE CONDITION OF THE SOIL. SO EVEN IF YOU TRANSPLANT IT, YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE IT'S GONNA SURVIVE. THE BEST THING YOU PROBABLY DO FROM A RECOMMENDATION STANDPOINT IS START SMALL SO THAT THEY CAN GROW WITH THE SOIL NOT AGAINST IT. SO WE OPTED TO GO WITH THAT VERSUS TRANSPLANTING. YEAH. I'M, UH, I DUNNO ANYTHING ABOUT TRANSPLANTING. I'M, I'M REALLY JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE TREE. THAT WAS A REAL CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT I GOT. SO I'M JUST SORT OF, I'M CURIOUS WHAT LENNOX IS WILLING TO DO AT THIS STAGE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THESE LOOK LIKE LARGE TREES. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AGAINST THE ADVICE OF OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO A HIGHER CALIPER TREE. OKAY. UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE CHANCE OF SURVIVAL IS LOWER. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT. I MEAN, IT'D BE GOOD. I WANTED THE NEIGHBORS TO HEAR THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. SURE. AND YOU KNOW, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY COULD, COULD NOT MAKE IT. UM, BUT YEAH, I, I WANTED THE, THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THAT FIRST. SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT ACCOMMODATION. AND HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS WITH ANY COMMENTS THAT MAY BE MADE AT THE THANK YOU MR. HU RUDDER. THANK YOU, DEREK. I, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM SOMETHING. 'CAUSE THIS CAME UP ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. UH, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS BACKED UP TO, UH, COMMERCIAL OVER HERE. AND THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AT THAT POINT IN TIME WAS THAT THE, THAT ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL WAS THERE FIRST AND THE RESIDENTIAL CAME IN SECOND. AND SO IF I'M SEEING IF THE MAPS THAT I'VE SEEN AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT Y'ALL HAVE SENT US AND THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT TONIGHT, IS THAT, IS THAT THE SAME CONDITION WHERE LENNOX WAS THERE AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS CAME IN? YES. THAT IS THE PATTERN THAT DEVELOPMENT WENT IN. OKAY. OKAY. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT FOR ALL OF US TO, TO REMEMBER IS THAT IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE THAT, THAT WE DEALT WITH ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. DON, YOU COULD CORRECT ME ON MY, MY YEARS. UM, IS THAT THE, THE COMMERCIAL WAS THERE FIRST AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL CAME IN. SO I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THAT WE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CASES LIKE THIS. UM, AS COMPARED TO LIKE THE LAST CASE WHERE THE HOMES WERE THERE AND THEN, [01:45:01] YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS COMING IN. SO, UM, SEE THAT AS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU MR. CORCORAN. UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND OR ANSWERED BY Y'ALL. I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE, THE PROPOSED IN-PERSON MEETING WITH THE SAVOY TRACE, HOA, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS EMPTY. I MEAN, CAN YOU GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE TYPE OF OUTREACH YOU DID FOR THAT? AND MAYBE HOW FAR IN ADVANCE YOU TRIED TO SCHEDULE IT? JUST SOME, SOME DETAILS. SO WE GET , SO AS A GENERAL PRACTICE, THEY GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE. OKAY. UM, AND, UM, THE SAVOY TRACE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT IN THE OFFICIAL NOTICE AREA. MM-HMM . SO THEY WOULD NOT BE IN THE LABELS GIVEN TO US BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. NOTWITHSTANDING, I REACHED OUT TO BOB SNELLING, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY WORLD OWNERS ASSOCIATION. I ASKED HIM FOR CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE HOA PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS DAVID COOK. MM-HMM . AND I DID SPEAK TO HIM. AND, UM, HE, UM, I SENT HIM A PDF OF THE LETTER. AGAIN, THE LETTER WAS GENERALLY ONE TO TWO PAGES. AND, AND IT WAS MORE THAN AN INVITATION TO A COMMUNITY MEETING. IT OFFERED CRITICAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION. UM, AND IN FACT, I HAVE A SAMPLE OF ONE IF YOU WANNA SEE IT. UM, AND WE DID, UH, WE INVITED THEM TO AN IN-PERSON MEETING KNOWING THAT THEY COULD JUST WALK ACROSS THE POND MM-HMM . BUT TO OUR SURPRISE, NOT ONE RESIDENT SHOWED UP. MM-HMM . UM, AND I, AND, AND THEIR HOA PRESIDENT HAS REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THESE HEARINGS AND I HAVE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. MR. DORIAN. THANK YOU. I, UH, WELL, EVERYONE'S PRETTY MUCH ASKED THE QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK AS WELL, BUT ONE, UH, COMMENT HAS, UH, BEEN SUPPLIED. UM, AND SOME COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE HEIGHT, UH, THE PARAPET HEIGHT AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. COULD YOU JUST RE-EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, AND SO PEOPLE CAN HEAR THAT ARE WATCHING? SURE. UM, THANK YOU. AND THIS IS GONNA GET A LITTLE TECHNICAL AND ENGINEERING TEAM. CORRECT ME IF I DO THIS INCORRECTLY. ON BUILDING HEIGHT. UM, THERE ARE TEST PARAMETERS THAT ARE SET BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, AND IF YOU WANT SOME GOOD BEDTIME READING, I SUGGEST YOU LOOK AT THE FEDERAL REGISTER AND READ IT. UM, I KNOW FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL PRODUCTS, THE TEST PROCEDURE'S ABOUT 500 PAGES LONG. IT'S VERY TECHNICAL. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ONE, I HAVEN'T READ THAT ONE YET. BUT THE TEST PARAMETERS ARE SET BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. AND A COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENTAL TEST ROOM MUST PRODUCE TEST CONDITIONS THAT REPLICATE BOTH THE INDOOR CONDITION WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, AND THE OUTDOOR CONDITION WHERE THE UNIT WOULD SIT, WHICH IS ON THE ROOFTOP, WHERE, LIKE I SAID, ONE'S RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW. AND THE DOE GIVES YOU DIFFERENT AMBIENT TEMPERATURES, BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN THIS TEST CHAMBER. SO THE TEST CHAMBER IS BIG. UH, IT HAS TO HAVE AN INDOOR SECTION IN AN OUTDOOR SECTION THAT REPLICATES BOTH. SO YOU HAVE TO CONTROL THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE UPPER PORTION AND THE LOWER PORTION. UH, THERE'S AN AREA BELOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL TEST ROOM THAT'S CALLED A PIT. AND THE PIT IS ACCESSED BY STAIRS WHERE HUMANS CAN GO DOWN THERE AND HOOK UP THE UNIT AND CONNECT THE, THE DUCT WORK, UH, TO REPLICATE THE INDOOR CONDITION. UM, ABOVE THAT, UH, YOU HAVE FLOOR LEVEL, AND THEN YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A CURB. THAT'S WHAT A, A UNIT SITS ON, ON THE ROOFTOP. SO IT DOESN'T SIT DIRECTLY ON THE ROOFTOP. THERE'S ABOUT AN 18 INCH TO TWO FOOT CURB. UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE UNIT, AND I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THAT COULD BE FOUR FEET TALL, IT COULD BE SEVEN FEET TALL. SO WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DESIGNING THE TEST CHAMBER TO HANDLE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE SEVEN FEET. UH, THE OUTDOOR CHAMBER IS 16 FEET, AND YOU NEED THAT SIZE TO GET AIRFLOW. UH, NO HOTSPOTS. UH, YOU HAVE TO MOVE AIR AROUND, UH, INSIDE OF A, INSIDE OF A A TEST ROOM, YOU NEED ANOTHER TWO FEET ON TOP FOR PIPING ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS. UH, THERE'S, YOU HAVE TO, UH, HAVE AIR HANDLING EQUIPMENT UP THERE. UH, SO I THINK YOU'RE AT 27 FEET NOW. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE CEILING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE, THE PLENUM, THE LIGHTING, THE GIRDERS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUNCHED OUT ONE OF THESE, UH, SECTIONS HERE, YOU, YOU DON'T HIT THE ROOF RIGHT AWAY. SO IN OUR BUILDING, DO YOU HAVE ABOUT A 24 INCH PLENUM? YEAH, 24 INCH PLENUM. BUT THE GIRDERS, THE, THE, THE, THE SUPPORT GIRDERS ARE FIVE FEET. RICK, WHERE'D YOU GO? FIVE FEET. I REMEMBERED YOU TAUGHT ME WELL, SO IF YOU DO THAT MATH, UM, YOU'VE GOT 16 FEET PIT TO FINISH, FLOOR TWO FEET FROM FINISHED FLOOR TO THE TOP OF THE TEST STAND OR THE, THE CURB, SEVEN FOOT MAX HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT, 16 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE EQUIPMENT, TWO FEET ACCESS ABOVE, AND THEN FIVE FEET, YOU'RE 32 FEET. AND THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THE, THE TOP OF THE ROOF. UH, AS I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARAPET MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SHORTER BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE PEAK OF THE ROOF. AND I THINK CITY OF RICHARDSON REQUIRES THAT THE ROOF ACTUALLY SLOPE AWAY FOR DRAINAGE. [01:50:01] UH, I THINK WHERE THE PARAPET IS, THE, THE CEILING HEIGHT WOULD BE MAYBE A FOOT, A FOOT AND A HALF LOWER. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT 36, IS IT ABOUT THREE FEET? PARAPET I THINK IS FOUR FEET. SO FOUR, IT'S 32 PLUS FOUR, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE SIDE, IT'S PROBABLY MAYBE 31 PLUS FOUR. MM-HMM. SO 35 OR MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I HOPE THAT MADE SENSE CONSIDERING IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT I WANTED THAT TO BE HEARD. 'CAUSE THAT WAS A, A BIG QUESTION I GOT ASKED MANY, MANY TIMES. AND MAY I JUMP, MAY I JUMP IN AND ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT? NOT ENGINEERING ABOUT HEIGHT. SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU SEE VISUALLY IF YOU ARE GONNA GO TO THE LENNOX CAMPUS AND YOU SEE THIS BUILDING THERE, A 36 FOOT BUILDING, HOPEFULLY LOVELY LANDSCAPED MAKING A PLACE IN RICHARDSON, BUT IMPORTANTLY WHAT'S AROUND IT? SO I THINK, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, HUTCHIN RIDER ASKED QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? HOW WAS RESIDENTIAL INTRODUCED AND THE TIMING OF THAT. AND I'M GONNA SAY THAT THEY WERE EACH INTRODUCED BECAUSE THEY EACH HAD A ZONING CASE THAT RESULT RESULTED IN AN ORDINANCE OR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY DID THAT IN THE LIKE 2005 TO THE 2014 TIMEFRAME. AND WHEN THEY, OR EVEN LATER FOR, UH, THE, THE DALLAS PROPERTY WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY HAVE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS WITHIN IT AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS LIST HEIGHT. SO FOR PARKSIDE TOWNS, THEY CAN GO THREE STORIES UP TO 43 FEET IN HEIGHT. FOR SAVOY TRACE, I BELIEVE IT'S 40 FEET IN HEIGHT FOR UNIVERSITY PLACE, IT'S 36 FEET IN HEIGHT. AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL EITHER THE SAME OR EXCEEDING THE PROPOSED HEIGHT WITH THE PARAT OF THE LENNOX BUILDING. AND ONE LAST THING I'LL SAY THAT IS NOT ONLY DID THEY REQUIRE A ZONING CHANGE, BUT THEY HAD, UH, TO CHANGE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO ALLOW IT TO GO FROM, UH, OFFICE USE TO A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND THEY WOULD'VE BEEN AGAIN, UH, BEEN ENCUMBERED OR, UM, KNOWN ABOUT THOSE PROTECTIVE COVENANTS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS ABOUT HEIGHT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME MR. CHU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, A LOT OF GOOD, GOOD QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK SOME OF THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, BUT I WAS, LOOK, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ANSWER, NOT DIFFERENT ANSWER MEANS THAT CHANGE THE ANSWER, BUT ADDITIONAL ANSWER, UH, NUMBER ONE, I MEAN CURRENTLY THIS PLACE IS ZONE FOUR EIGHT STORY BUILDING. I BELIEVE IF ERICA, YOU CAN WRITE YES, THAT'S CORRECT. IT IS ZONE FOR EIGHT STORIES. SO BUILDING A, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WOULD MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENT, EVERYTHING, THEY CAN TECHNICALLY BUILD AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS 136 FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AROUND 130 FEET, 130 FEET, SOMETHING. YES, THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED. SO, AND ALSO THE USE IS THEY CAN USE THAT R AND D ACCORDING TO CURRENT ZONING CASE OR THAT'S NOT THE CASE. R AND D IS NOT KNOWN. SO THE, THE CURRENT, THE EXISTING ZONING FOR THIS TRACK OF LAND, THE R AND D IS NOT A ACCEPTABLE USE WITH DEREK. THE POINT YOU MADE EARLIER WAS THAT IN 2002, WE CHANGED THE CZO TO ALLOW RESEARCH FACILITY TO BE, UM, A BUYRIGHT USE IN THE OM ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY, I GOT YOU. SO, RIGHT, A LITTLE BIT TECHNICAL. SO LET ME, LET ME JUST MAKE A POINT ON THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. SO THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENTS. THIS WAS WHAT WE DID PRIOR TO PLAN DEVELOPMENTS. UM, IT WAS A, YOU, YOU, YOU ADJUST THE, THE BASE ZONING WITH SPECIAL CONDITION CONDITIONS. IT WASN'T REALLY UNTIL PROBABLY, UM, PROBABLY EARLY 2010S OR SO WHEN WE STARTED USING PD AS A PRETTY, PRETTY REGULAR TOOL. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE, THE CHALLENGES WITH, UH, DOING IT THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT, WHICH IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU HAVE TO BE, HAVE A FULL INVENTORY OF EVERY ZONING, UM, ORDINANCE, UH, EVERY, EVERY BASE ZONING THAT YOU EVER CREATED A SPECIAL CONDITION FOR. UM, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE WOULD'VE PROBABLY GONE BACK AND WE WOULD'VE CHANGED THIS ZONING DISTRICT SO THAT THE OM IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE OM AND THE CZO. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S LIKELY WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S, FROM A USE STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. AND THIS, THIS, UM, THIS OM WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS VERSUS AN OM IN THE CZO IN TERMS OF, UM, THE USE, THE USE AS IT RELATES TO A RESEARCH FACILITY IN A, UH, OM DISTRICT. AND SO, UM, IT IS A CHALLENGE. UH, IT'S ONE, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE GOT AWAY FROM, UH, THE SPECIAL CONDITION APPROACH AND STARTED USING THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROACH. UM, AND NOW OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO TRACK [01:55:01] UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S INTENDED TO BE UNIQUE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT. NOW, FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH THAT, WHY THIS THING IS CONSIDERED AS, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE PD INSTEAD OF PART OF THE BIGGER YEAH, IT'S, SO, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CONSIDERED A PD. IT'S PD LIKE, BUT PRIOR TO, LIKE, UH, PRIOR TO THAT PERIOD WHEN WE REALLY BE, WE MADE THAT FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT TO START USING PLAN DEVELOPMENTS AROUND 2010 OR SO. UM, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL AT THE TIME. I GUESS IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T, UM, AS EFFECTIVE AS THE PD, BUT WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY AMEND THE BASE ZONING AND PUT SPECIAL CONDITIONS ON IT. BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT HUNDREDS OF TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF A COUPLE OF DECADES, IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO GO BACK. AND EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE SOMETHING IN THE CZO TO APPLY THAT TO ALL THOSE, UM, UM, SPECIAL, UM, CONDITION, UM, UM, ORDINANCES. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WAS MAYBE THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY HERE BACK IN 2002, IS THAT WE DIDN'T DO THAT. WE DIDN'T APPLY THE MORE CONTEMPORARY UPDATED APPROACH TO OM EVERYWHERE ELSE TO THIS, UM, THIS ORDINANCE THAT WAS A OM BASE WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WE, YOU SEE THAT WE ARE GETTING OUR FURNITURE FROM IKEA, LIKE ALL BIG FURNITURE. IT CAN, YOU KNOW, IT COMES IN SMALL BOXES, YOU PUT IT TOGETHER, IT BECOME BIG. SO THESE UNITS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BIG, BUT IF YOU TAKE THOSE THING PARTS AWAY, THOSE ARE REALLY COMPACT. COMPACT. IT COULD BE A COMPACTED SMALL BOXES. SO THEY'RE NOT, I DO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, BY LOOKING AT, I DEFINITELY, I WOULD THINK THAT THERE IS NO WAY I CAN LIFT ANY CORNER, BUT IF YOU TOUCH IT, IT'S, YOU CAN LIFT SOME CORNER. IT'S, UH, MUCH LIGHTER THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. NOW, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING LOTS OF R AND D AND OTHER PLACES, AND ANYBODY THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS THING IN THE IKEA BOX, MAKING A SMALLER YOU, THINGS EASY TO CARRY INSTEAD OF PUTTING ON THE FLATBED. THIS IS PROBABLY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR REQUEST THOUGH. WELL, THAT IF, IF, WELL FIRST OF ALL, WE, WE'D PROBABLY VIOLATE THE ZONING IF WE STARTED TO PUT THINGS TOGETHER IN THE BUILDING. UM, IT, IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM AND WE FIND THAT IT'S, IT'S ON A COMMERCIAL UNIT. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES THAT WE WOULD PREFER ARE MADE IN A FACTORY SETTING WHERE IT'S CONTROLLED, MANAGED QUALITY CHECKS, LEAK CHECKS, ENSURE THAT THE REFRIGERANT SYSTEM'S CLOSED. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT A RESIDENTIAL SYSTEM, YOU OFTENTIMES HAVE A OUTDOOR CONDENSING UNIT, AN INDOOR COIL, AN INDOOR AIR HANDLER OR FURNACE, AND THEN A LINE SET ACTUALLY RUNS FROM YOUR ATTIC THROUGH YOUR WALLS OUT TO THAT CONDENSING UNIT. AND THOSE ARE PUT TOGETHER, LIKE YOU, YOU MENTIONED IKEA. NOW I WOULDN'T WISH IKEA ON ANYBODY. UM, IT, IT'S GREAT, BUT, UM, UM, IT, IT'S TOUGH TO PUT TOGETHER AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD MAINTAIN THE QUALITY CONTROL IF, IF WE DID IT THAT WAY. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T DO IT. OKAY. UH, WE COULD, WE COULD GET AROUND A LOT OF DOE REGULATIONS BY DOING THAT, BY THE WAY. AND, AND WE PREFER NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY AND THE RELIABILITY PIECE. I MEAN, THAT WOULD AVOID THOSE FLATBED IN THE AREA. BUT I HAVE A FEW QUESTION. UM, NOW YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE NICE PICTURES ABOUT THE, THE WALL THAT YOU ARE PUTTING. UH, I KNOW THAT WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT WHAT MATERIAL TO USE OR NOT TO USE WHAT TO USE, BUT, UH, I HAVE SEEN YOUR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION, THE SITE, THOSE ARE VERY NICELY KEPT, UH, BEAUTIFUL AREA. UH, NOW ARE YOU PLANNING ON USING JUST SIMILAR MATERIAL THAT YOU SHOW ON THE PICTURES? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. UH, YES. AND, UH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY ISSUE THAT ON THE SITE THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING CARE OF THAT ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW THAT CITY OF RECHARGE, THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO ALSO, REGARDLESS. UH, NOW JUST YOU MENTIONED SAFETY. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. UH, AT OUR CARROLLTON FACILITY, WE JUST RECENTLY CELEBRATED 2 MILLION MAN HOURS WITHOUT, UM, A RECORDABLE INCIDENT. WE TAKE SAFETY VERY SERIOUSLY AND WE'RE GONNA DO SO IN THIS FACILITY AS WELL. UH, NOW YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A NICE POND OUT THERE. CAN YOU, UH, IS WHO, WHO MAINTAINS THAT? SO THE, THE, THE, THE POND IS A STORM WATER RETENTION POND. UM, THE UNIVERSITY WORLD OF HOA, DEPENDING ON YOUR PORTION OF UNIVERSITY WORLD, YOU PAY, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION DUES. I BELIEVE OUR DUES PER YEAR ARE $28,000. DENNIS. YEAH. AND SO IT'S A, IT IS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY. I BELIEVE THAT'S ABOUT A QUARTER. UH, AS, AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, GETTING TO KNOW MR. SNELLING, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF UNI UNIVERSITY WORLD, HOA, I HAVE, UH, BEEN [02:00:01] VOLUNTEERED TO BE A, A NEW MEMBER OF THAT HOA. SO I'LL BE, UH, MORE INVOLVED IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT POND. BUT THE, THE HOA CURRENTLY MAINTAINS THAT POND. SO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANY PORTION OF THE SHARE THAT INCREASE DECREASES. NO, SIR. UH, NOW I'M GOING BACK TO THE TREE THAT YOU ANSWERED SOME QUESTION MORE DETAIL, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE IS, UH, UH, I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTION ON THAT. UH, THREE THINGS. UH, YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA GO BIGGER THAN THAT CALIPER WISE, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY IDEA WHAT SIZE? UH, WELL, I'LL, I'LL HOLD ON TO THAT QUESTION. I ASK QUESTION. I THINK THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER SAID SIX SIX INCHES. SIX INCH CALIPER. YEAH. UH, THE, I KNOW THAT THE TYPE OF TREE HAS, YOU HAVE NOT DECIDED WHAT TYPE OF TREE, BUT YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU HIT SOME OF THE RIGHT ANSWER THAT IT'LL GO A LITTLE FASTER, UH, AND, UH, MORE STABLE TREE. BUT ALSO SINCE THERE IS A POWER LINE BACK THERE, YOU WOULD NOT PROBABLY WANT SOMETHING THAT WILL GO HORIZONTALLY BIGGER. MAYBE IT'LL GO MORE VERTICAL, LIKE THE THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT, THAT'S BEEN THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR LANDSCAPE, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE GOOD THING. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE PUTTING NEW SCREENING WALL AROUND THE EXISTING GENERATOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CORRECT. AND HOW DO WE, UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE OUR CITY STUFF. HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE SOUND? LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS A STRICT RULE CODE ABOUT OUR SOUND THAT HOW MUCH THE NOISE, UH, UH, HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR THIS? SURE. SO THEIR REGULATIONS WITH, UM, UM, FOR, UH, THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT CAN BE GENERATED AT A PROPERTY LINE WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NEXT TO AN ADJACENT, UH, OR ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF WE GET A COMPLAINT, WE CAN GO OUT, UM, STAND ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY, WE'VE GOT, UM, READING DEVICES THAT CAN TELL US IF THE DECIBEL LEVEL. AND THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER, UM, FACETS TO THAT. IT'S NOT JUST DECIBELS. UM, BUT, UH, AND, AND SO IF, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, THEN WE WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, UH, EITHER, UH, INSTALL ADDITIONAL SCREENING, UH, MAYBE INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREENING, MAYBE ADD LANDSCAPING. SO YOU HAVE A HARD AND A SOFT SCREEN. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT, UM, TODAY. SO THAT'S STILL, I THINK POINT, I MEAN THAT 49 DISIBLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU HAD 0.49 DISABLE. NO, WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT, WHAT, UH, YOU DID MENTION THAT DECIBEL IN THE PAST THAT CAN YEAH, I, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, BUT THAT'S TRUE FOR, RIGHT. I MEAN, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE STANDARDS BETWEEN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. SO IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S A CERTAIN STANDARD AND, AND IF THERE ARE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER DIFFERENT THERE, DIFFERENT, OKAY. SO, SO THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED REGARDLESS OF THINGS, SITUATION, WHETHER THERE IS AN OFFICE SCREENING WHILE OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD DETERMINE EVENTUALLY. SURE. IF THERE'S A GENERATOR THAT'S NOT SCREENED AND IT'S CREATING A, A, A NOISE IN EXCESS OF THE ALLOWABLE LEVEL, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT TODAY. PART OF THE WAY THAT YOU ADDRESS THAT IS BY SCREENING IT USUALLY. OKAY. SO THAT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HANDLE THAT AS OF TODAY WITHOUT HAVING ANY NEW, NEW CODE OR ANYTHING. NOW, YOU DID PUT SOME OF THE NICE DIFFERENT COLOR TREE ALONG THAT AREA. SO DO YOU HAVE INTENT, ANY INTENTION OF PUTTING DIFFERENT COLOR, COLOR TREE, OR THAT'S JUST FOR THE SECOND PRESENTATION. ACTUALLY, RYAN CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. HE'S DONE A FABULOUS JOB. WE HAVE SOME COLORFUL IMAGES AND WE CAN DIG 'EM UP IF YOU WANT. BUT THE, THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPE, THE ENTIRE CAMPUS IS GONNA BE RE-LANDSCAPED, INCLUDING THE MAIN ENTRANCE. AND AS A NOD TO RICHARDSON, THERE'LL BE SOME AREAS WHERE THERE'LL BE WILDFLOWER PLANTINGS, FOR EXAMPLE. THERE WILL BE LAYERING OF, UH, SOME NATIVE SPECIES IN TERMS OF SHRUBS AND GRASSES AND SUCH. AND THERE WILL BE A VARIETY OF TREES, BOTH DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES. I KNOW ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS ON LANDSCAPING BECAUSE, UM, I CHAIRED THE COMMITTEE, UM, AS A MEMBER OF THE DALLAS CITY PLANT COMMISSION WHEN THEY, UM, AMENDED ARTICLE 10, THE TREE AND LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. AND I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PLANTING TREES. SOMETIMES IF YOU PLANT A TREE WITH A SMALLER CALIBER VERSUS A TREE WITH A LARGER CALIBER, IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN FIVE YEARS, THE TREE WITH A SMALLER CALIBER HAS ADAPTED BETTER TO SOIL CONDITIONS AND GROWS TALLER. SO WE ARE TRYING TO DE BALANCE WHAT, HOW THE SCREENING IS GONNA LOOK, NOT ONLY ON DAY ONE, BUT ON DAY FIVE. AND THAT'S WHY LENNOX, EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T HAVE TO ENGAGED A LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL, PUT SOME REAL MONEY INTO IT NOW TO DETERMINE WHERE CAN THEY PLANT, WHERE CAN LAYERING BE, AND HOW CAN THE LANDSCAPE BE BEAUTIFUL FOR AS YEAR ROUND IF POSSIBLE. AND SO THAT WAS THE [02:05:01] GOAL. UH, ONE OTHER THING, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE EASEMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT'S AN EASEMENT THAT'S GOT A POWER LINE. THAT'S A CITY OF DALLAS EASEMENT. SO THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS REGULATIONS ABOUT HOW FAR PLANTINGS CAN BE UNDER POWER LINES AND WHAT KIND OF TREES CAN BE PLANTED UNDER THOSE POWER LINES. AND THEY, THEY LIMIT IT TO MEDIUM TREES, HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, 'CAUSE WE BOARD OF RICHARDSON, THE PLANTINGS ARE GONNA GO ON THE RICHARDSON SIDE, BUT NO SURPRISE, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ALSO HAS SOME, UH, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT OR GUIDELINES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, ALL THESE MUNICIPALITIES WILL SAY, HEY, YOU GOTTA TALK TO ENCORE. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO THE POWER LINES. SO IF YOU WANT, WE'VE GOT 10 PAGES OF STUFF TO SHOW YOU ABOUT THAT. AND, AND THAT REALLY DOES CONFIRM EVERYTHING I'VE SAID. I'LL, I'LL JUST HAND 'EM OVER TO THE, TO THE SECRETARY, AND IF YOU WANNA LOOK THROUGH 'EM, FINE. BUT IT BASICALLY CONFIRMS WHAT, WHAT, UH, MR. BROWN AND I HAVE JUST SAID, THANK YOU. I'M SURE YOU DO HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES, OTHERWISE THEY WILL NOT ALLOW. RIGHT. UH, NOW YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU DIDN'T WANNA PUT ANY ADDITIONAL SCREENING INTO THAT AREA, UH, JUST THE TREE AND OTHER THINGS. IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT NOT TO HAVE ANY OTHER WALL? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T LIKE? SO IF I MAY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR, UH, QUESTION CORRECTLY, YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT SCREENING IS REQUIRED IN A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL BY THE CZO ALONG THE NORTH SIDE. THERE ALREADY IS A MASONRY WALL ON TOP OF A RETAINING WALL. SO THE REAL QUESTION IS, ALONG THE WEST SIDE AND ALONG THE WEST SIDE, THEY HAVE A DECORATIVE IRON, SIX FOOT FENCE WITH MASONRY PILLARS THROUGHOUT. AND YOU MIGHT ASK THE QUESTION WHY. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY THEIR ORDINANCE, AND THAT IS REQUIRED. AND IT ALSO, THERE IS SOME, UM, UH, AS, AS PART OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, WE DID FIND SOME INFORMATION. I CAN READ IT TO YOU. IT SAYS AS FOLLOWS, UM, OH, FROM, FROM, IN FACT, A, A COUNCIL MEETING. IT SAYS, IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE IMPROVEMENT OF THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THE SCREENING THAT ARE OF FENCING BETWEEN LAND USES SHALL BE AS TRANSPARENT AS NATURE AS POSSIBLE, IS IMPORTANT THAT THIS HOUSING COMPONENT OF THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BE AS VISUALLY OPEN AND CONNECTED TO OTHER LAND USES AS POSSIBLE. SO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPOSED TOWN HOMES CAN VISUALLY SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND ACTIVITIES MENTIONED ABOVE. SO DID LENNOX WANTS TO SCREEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO SCREEN, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST TO THE, TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT? AND, UM, WE BELIEVE IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD URBAN PLANNING PROCESS, UH, PRACTICE TO SCREEN USING LANDSCAPE MATERIALS. IT'LL JUST BE MUCH AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. UM, I DO WANNA NOTE A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE DID DO SOME AERIAL IMAGES OF, OF SOME OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENTS. AND I'M, I THINK I WILL SAY WITH SOME CONFIDENCE THAT THE LANDSCAPING, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING ON THE LENNOX CAMPUS WILL BE MORE ROBUST THAN ANYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I JUST CHALLENGE YOU TO GO SEE AN AERIAL AND SEE HOW MANY TREES ARE THERE. BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. IT'S GONNA, WE'RE MAKING A PLACE. THE SECOND THING IS, I KNOW THERE'S RESIDENTIAL IN THIS, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL COY AND CAMPBELL COMMERCIAL RETAIL AREA? AGAIN, THEY HAD TO ASK A ZONING CASE. ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE GATED. THEY'RE ALL GATED. SO OF COURSE WE WANNA BEAUTIFY THE LENNOX CAMPUS. AND OF COURSE, PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO WALK AROUND THE POND THAT'S OWNED BY THE UNIVERSITY WORLD OWNERS ASSOCIATION. BUT I JUST WANTED TO, AGAIN, OFFER HIGH, UH, CONTEXT. THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU. I MEAN, THERE IS TWO THINGS HERE. ONE IS LIKE, YES, BEAUTIFUL. THE OTHER THINGS IS LIKE IF SOMEONE CANNOT SEE THEY HAVE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE, UH, HEARING THE NOISE. SO HOW DO YOU MANAGE THE NOISE VERSUS THE OTHER THINGS? THAT'S THE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, IF NOT NOISE BECOME PROBLEM. CITI DEFINITELY CAN GO AND, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THAT AND YOU, UM, SITTING AND POINT THAT THING TO YOU, AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO MANAGE IT, UH, EVENTUALLY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK, UH, WILL BE ISSUED IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE. BUT HOW, IF ALL GOES FINE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNCIL WOULD BE VOTING, BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHAT, HOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA MANAGE, UH, THE NOISE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND, AND EVERYTHING? WHAT'S THE STANDARD PROCEDURE VERSUS YOUR PROCEDURE? SO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON HAS REGULATIONS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. OF COURSE, LENNOX IS GONNA FOLLOW THOSE, BUT AS A ZONING CONSULTANT, I SOMETIMES TWIST ARMS OF CLIENTS TO SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT? [02:10:01] IT'S NOT A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, BUT LATINX IS A BIG COMPANY AND IT, IT'S A COMPANY WITH INTEGRITY AND OF ITS WORD. SO WHAT I PROPOSE, AND I THINK HE'S ALREADY GOT, UH, MR. HURST AND TEAM HAVE A DRAFT OF IT. IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT THAT SAYS, HEY, CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA BE COMMENCING ON THIS DATE AND ONGOING FOR A PERIOD OF ABOUT 18 MONTHS. I THINK IF, IF IT WAS TO GO, OH, THEY WERE, I'M BEING TOLD 10 TO 12, UM, HERE ARE THE THINGS YOU OFFER. YOU OFFER A 24 HOUR NUMBER, A NUMBER THAT IS GOING TO BE ANSWERED AND YOU SAY, I HAVE AN ISSUE. AND THEY DO IT. THE OTHER THING IS, LENNOX HAS 24 HOUR SECURITY. SO SECURITY IS ALWAYS LOOKING. SO THERE, THERE, THERE'S OPTIONS THERE. YOU ALSO OFFER THINGS OF, OF, AS A COURTESY, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE, UH, SOME CONS PART OF CONSTRUCTION THAT IS MORE DISRUPTIVE THAN OTHER. AND I, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE A CIVIL ENGINEER, YOU KNOW THAT SOME PO SOMETIMES THINGS ARE MORE NOISY. HOW ABOUT A NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE HOA SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GONNA BE DIGGING THAT DAY, OR CEMENT TRUCKS ARE COMING THAT DAY. WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW SO THAT YOU WILL PREPARE ADDITIONALLY IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY LIVE IN A, THEIR RESIDENCE AROUND IT. IF SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE SOMETHING BIG, A WEDDING IN THEIR BACKYARD, A GRADUATION CEREMONY, IT'S DURING CONSTRUCTION, LET US KNOW. LENNOX WILL ACCOMMODATE 'EM. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT GOES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT. THEY WILL, OF COURSE, UM, OH, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. CONSTRUCTION SITES GENERALLY REQUIRE FENCING, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF FENCING BECAUSE AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE TREES ALONG THE WEST SIDE AND ALONG THE NORTH SIDE. BY THE WAY, THERE WAS A STUDY MADE, SOMEONE VISITED AND TAGGED EVERY TREE. WE KNOW MOST OF THEM ARE HEALTHY. I THINK THEY'RE TOO ON SITE THAT, THAT ARE NOT WORTH SAVING. BUT CONSTRUCTION CAN BE HARD ON TREES, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING. SO YOU USE BEST PRACTICES AND COOPERATION WITH THE LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONALS AND AS WELL IN THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS WHERE YOU PUT CERTAIN PARAMETERS ABOUT HOW THOSE TREES ARE GONNA BE PRESERVED, HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE FENCED, HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE FERTILIZED, ET CETERA. SO YOU TRY TO DO THAT JUST TO, UM, AS PART OF THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION, YOU, YOU WANT A CLEAN SITE AND YOU WANNA DO THE BEST YOU CAN TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF ITEMS THAT GO IN A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT, NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT I THINK LENNOX IS WILLING TO DO THAT. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, THAT DOES IN FACT ANSWER. I MEAN, THOSE ARE STANDARD LITTLE MORE THAN STANDARD YOU ARE DOING. UH, UH, I KNOW CITY HAS A, YOU KNOW, VERY GOOD POLICY ABOUT CONSTRUCTION, UH, TIMING REQUIREMENTS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ASK ANY EXCEPTION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TIMING, UH, DAYS. AND, UH, YEAH, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WITHIN 300 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICT, UM, CONSTRUCTION CANNOT BEGIN BEFORE 7:00 AM IT CANNOT, UH, EXTEND BEYOND 6:00 PM AND IT'S NOT ALLOWED ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS IF IT CREATES ANY NOISE, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, EXCEED THE, UH, NORMAL, STANDARD, UM, NOISE REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF THEY'RE WORKING INSIDE AND THERE'S NO NOISE CREATED, THAT'S OKAY. BUT ANYTHING ON THE OUTSIDE THAT WOULD DISTURB, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE PIECE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BEFORE 7:00 AM OR AFTER 6:00 PM OR SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THIS CLARIFICATION MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, QUICK QUESTION. I ASKED YOU EARLIER ABOUT THE UNLOADING OF THE TRUCKS ON THE WESTERN SIDE, I GUESS THE, AND THE FREQUENCY OF DELIVERIES. UH, ON, ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE, THERE'S THE RECYCLING. UH, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU'RE NOT EMPTYING THOSE TWICE A WEEK. I, I, I GUESS IT'S STANDARD ONCE A MONTH STUFF LIKE VARIOUS METALS ONCE A MONTH. YEAH. OKAY. SO A LOT LESS FREQUENT. GREAT. UM, AND THIS IS NEXT QUESTION FOR STAFF AND LOOKING AT THIS, AND I SEE THE HOURS OF OPERATION 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, THAT 7:00 AM IS PRETTY EARLY TO HEAR A TRUCK BACK UP, BUT I'M, THEN I THINK, WELL, THERE ARE GROCERY STORES I KNOW, LIKE WHERE I LIVE OVER, YOU KNOW, OFF OF A BELT LIKE THE KROGER OVER OFF QU AND BELT LINE, THAT BACKS UP TO A RESIDENTIAL. I KNOW ON ARAPAHO AND IN PLACE THERE, THERE'S ALSO A TOM THUMB THAT BACKS UP, UM, TO RESIDENTIAL TRASH TRUCKS TOO. WHAT'S THAT? RESIDENTIAL TRASH TRUCKS. YEAH. SO WHAT, WHAT HOURS DO WE USUALLY PUT ON THOSE KINDS OF BUS? LIKE A GROCERY STORE? AND IS THAT STANDARD? DO THEY GO, DO THEY GO LATER? NO, NO, SIR. NO, NO, NO, SIR. IT'S NOT, I MEAN, WE DON'T LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR A BUSINESS THAT OPERATES BY RIGHT. WE JUST HAVE THESE OTHER STANDARDS, PERFORMANCE [02:15:01] STANDARDS LIKE NOISE, UM, THAT WE, THAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO. THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL, BECAUSE IT'S A PD, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO YEAH. TO, TO INCLUDE THAT. BUT THE, THE SITUATIONS YOU'RE DESCRIBING, THEY EITHER OPERATE WITHIN THE CODE OR IF THEY EXCEED, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICABLE, YOU KNOW, NOISE STANDARDS FOR INSTANCE, THEN WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT AS A, AS A CODE CODE CODE ISSUE. YEAH. SO LIKE A KROGER CAN DELIVER AT 5:00 AM OR SO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. DORIAN. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE, UH, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. I DON'T WANNA DRAG THIS OUT, BUT BACK OVER TO THE PARAPET. UM, HAS IT BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ELIMINATING THE PARAPET AND IT'S CONSOLIDATING THE, UM, HVAC UNITS AND CREATING SOME KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL SCREENING WALL? I'LL DEFER TO THE ARCHITECT COUNSEL RICK RUIZ, AGAIN WITH BRW ARCHITECTS. UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE LOOKED AT SEVERAL OPTIONS. TYPICALLY, WE'LL PUT A, UH, PARAPET SCREEN WALL TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THE ROOF TO SOME DEGREE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, SCREEN OFF ANY, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT'S UP THERE FROM A, FROM AN EYE LEVEL AS YOU'RE WALKING BY. THE, UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, THE CITY FOR ZONING IS THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT MUST BE SCREENED OFF IN ANY CASE, EITHER WAY. SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, AESTHETICALLY THAT WE'RE TRYING, THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO TREAT THIS BUILDING IS WITHOUT HAVING THAT, THAT ROOF JUST KIND OF HANG OVER, IS BY CREATING THAT PARABEN. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE EARLIER, UH, ILLUSTRATIONS, THEY'LL SHOW THAT THE TREATMENT, WHICH IS A BRICK VENEER, GOES ALL THE WAY ON TOP. AND YOU HAVE A CASTSTONE COPING, WHICH IS GONNA BE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN IF YOU HAVE A ROOF THAT JUST ENDS. BECAUSE AT THE LOWER LEVEL, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INTRODUCE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. THIS TYPE OF CON CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE TYPICAL OF A, OF A, UH, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, A WAREHOUSE THAT YOU WANNA OPEN UP A LARGER, LIKE A, HAVE A OPEN, MORE OPEN, UM, UH, LET'S SAY OPEN AREA WITHOUT COLUMNS INSIDE BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT, IT GIVES THEM MORE MANEUVERABILITY. SO WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO ALSO IS TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE DOWNSPOUTS INTERNALLY AND NOT HAVE THEM ON THE EXTERIOR EXPOSED MM-HMM . SO WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND BECAUSE OF THE, THE PROXIMITY TO THE DETENTION POND CARRY THAT WATER, UH, THAT'S COMING OFF OF THERE THROUGH STORM SEWER ONTO THAT, ONTO THAT RETENTION POND TO THE RETENTION POND. YEAH. WELL, THANK YOU. THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, RESIDENTS WERE ASKING. I WANTED THAT TO BE HEARD SO AND ADDRESSED. UH, THE SECOND THING, UM, THAT WAS ASKED IS, EARLIER YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE ABOUT 535 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PARKING, AND YOU HAVE, I GUESS, YOUR REQUIREMENT 600 PARKING SPACES. IS, IS THAT, IS, IS THAT MORE THAN ENOUGH AND, AND IN THE EVENT THAT IT COULD GET REDUCED, COULD ADDIT OR COULD THERE BE LESS PARKING AREAS IF IT'S NOT UTILIZED A HUNDRED PERCENT EVERY DAY TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE IN SOME OF THE FRONTAL AREAS AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY THE FACILITY? OR HAS THAT BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH? I'M TRYING TO FIND THE, THE, THE PHOTO. UM, YEAH, SO THERE, THERE'S TWO PARKING DECKS. UM, THE ONE HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING OUT A LOT OF SURFACE PARKING HERE. UM, AND WE WANNA LEAVE ENOUGH SPACE THAT WE'RE NOT UNDER PARKED. SO WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE MADE A GOOD TRADE OFF ON SACRIFICING PARKING, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEKING RELIEF. BUT WE DON'T WANNA SACRIFICE PARKING THAT OUR EMPLOYEES OR OUR CUSTOMERS SHOW UP AND THEY DON'T HAVE PARKING. SO WE THINK WE'RE ADEQUATELY PARKED, UH, BUT WE DON'T WANNA SACRIFICE ADDITIONAL PARKING. HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED? I THINK THERE'S CURRENTLY 702, 830 ARE REQUIRED WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. WITH THE ADDITION. OKAY. AND THEY'LL BE PROVIDING 600? THEY'RE PROVIDING 600. OKAY. MAY I HAVE ONE? OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, PLEASE TAKE A SEAT. AND AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WE OPENED UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL, IT'S STILL OPEN. SO WE'LL ASK MS. EMER, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS? YES, MA'AM. UM, I HAVE ABOUT 10 SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. FIRST ONE WILL BE TOR LANRE, UH, RESPECTFUL MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, I'M NOT LENNOX. I'M NOT A CEO, I'M JUST A SMALL COMPANY OWNER. I'M, UH, I LIVE IN THE NORTH SIDE TO THAT, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT IN 1 7 1 0 7 [02:20:02] TEXAS PACHI DRIVE. MY NAME IS STONERY. I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER HERE IN TOWN. UH, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF, UH, UNIVERSITY PLACE. WE ARE YOUR PARTNERS TOO, BY THE WAY. MY KIDS GOES TO, UH, TO RICHARDSON SCHOOL. WE PAY, UH, TAXES TO RICHARDSON, ISD INCLUDING ANOTHER PROBABLY 450 HOMEOWNERS IN THE UNIVERSITY PLACE. UM, WE ARE LIKE TALKING FROM OUR BLOOD AND FROM OUR HEART. I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH MR. DENIUS ON THE PHONE, AND I INVITED HIM OVER TO COME OVER TO MY HOUSE. WE ALSO, I ALSO BROUGHT TODAY AND PRESENTED, UH, PICTURES THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO SEE IT, UH, THAT PARKING LOT USED DAILY. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, UH, LENOX BROUGHT A GREAT TEAM OVER HERE, AND THEY SOUNDS THE, THEY SOUND LIKE THEY'RE TRIED TO CONVINCE YOU VERY HARD WITH PROVIDING A LOT OF DECEPTIVE INFORMATION. UH, FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS THE DECEPTIVE INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED, YES, YOU GUYS HAVE SPOKE ABOUT THE FAR, UM, ORDINANCE, ORDINANCES, UH, 3 1 5, 3 8 STIPULATES WITH A MAXIMUM FAR OF 0.6 TO ONE. IT'S ALREADY SUCH A CONDENSED AREA WITH PARKSIDE TOWNS, UH, FROM THE WEST SIDE AND US FROM THE NORTH. THAT, UH, BRICK WALL. IF, UM, I WISH THAT MR. DAN COULD COME TO MY HOUSE AND SEE IT. WE ARE FACING, AND THERE IS A SLOPE GOING DOWN FROM THE, UM, UNIVERSITY PLACE SIDE. SO WE SEE THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT. THAT BUILDING OVER 45,000 SQUARE FOOT WILL IZE. IT WILL DETERIORATE OUR LIFE. IT'S GOING TO, UH, CAUSE NOISE POLLUTION TRUCK 18 WHEELERS. I, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY'RE GONNA FEED AN 18 WHEELERS TRUCKS ON BEDDING, BRINGING THOSE COMMERCIAL UNITS IN THAT NARROW SECTION. NOT JUST THAT AS FAR AS THE FAR TRACK B THREE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEED THE LIMITS BY INTRODUCING AN FAR OF 0.78. WE ARE NOT USED ON, WE ARE, NOR TEXAS. THIS IS WHAT, WHAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL ABOUT OUR REAL ESTATE, THAT THE ZONING RULES ARE THERE TO PROTECT AND CREATE BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND COMMERCIALS. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS, IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING. WHEN I GO OUTSIDE FROM MY, UH, BACKYARD TODAY, AND I FA AND I LOOK AT THAT PARKING SPACE, UM, I SEE A FOUNTAIN AT THE END OF IT, AND IT'S OPEN. AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY I BOUGHT THAT SPECIFIC LAND. SO I CAN HAVE THAT OPENNESS VIEW. I DON'T WANNA HAVE AN R AND D FACILITY IN THE BACKSIDE OF MY, UH, LIVELIHOOD. I PUT ALL MY LIFE SAVINGS INTO IT. I'M NOT, I'M NOT LENOX. I DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY. YOU KNOW, I WORK 80 HOURS A WEEK AND I REALLY WANT TO PROTECT MY ASSET. AND, YOU KNOW, AND AS A PARTNER, I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HELP US TO PROTECT OUR ASSETS TODAY AND OUR, OUR, OUR LIVELIHOODS, OUR HOMES, UH, IN REGARDS BACK TO THE A R. SO IT'S A 30% INCREASE OVER THE ALLOWANCE, ALLOWANCE MAXIMUM. I DON'T HAVE, UH, UH, TWO HOURS TO PRESENT. UNFORTUNATELY. I WISH I HAD ENOUGH TIME LIKE LENOX, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, UH, THE STAFF REPORTED SITE PLAN PRESENTED TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, CONFIRM THAT THE EXISTING LENOX BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS ALREADY EXCEEDING THE FAR LIMITS BY POINT 64. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GUYS CAN APPROVE SOMETHING THEN AS FAR AS CHANGE OF ZONING. UM, ANOTHER THING, THE DEVIATION WAS NOT FORMALLY ADDRESSED IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. THEREBY THERE IS A CONFLICT OF BOTH EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING REGULATIONS, WHICH IS, THAT'S SEEMS SO ODD TO ME, UH, IN REGARDS TO, YES, LENNOX WANT TO OFFER MITIGATION AND TREES, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME FOR THOSE TREES TO GROW. IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A CONSTRUCTION SITE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE HEAVY MACHINERY JUST TO BUILD THIS MESSY 45,000 FOOT BUILDING. UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SO OVERALL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL AND LIMIT YOUR TIME OF OPERATIONS. IT JUST SEEMS SO ODDS TO ME AS WELL. UH, AS FAR AS, UH, ADVERSE IMPACTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF THAT I CAN SPEAK ABOUT. AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA, I SAY I HAVE ONLY 30 SECONDS, I'M NOT GONNA WASTE, UH, UH, MY TIME. UH, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH ISSUES WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THE REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUES. FIRST OF ALL, REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT'S, UH, FOR ME, IT'S, UH, MY CUP OF TEA. UH, THE, THE ECONOMIC OBSOLESCENCE, THAT'S A TERM IN REAL ESTATE, ECONOMIC OBSOLESCENCE, AND THE DOMINO EFFECT, IT'S GOING TO CREATE ALL OVER UNIVERSITY PLACE AND TOWNSIDE PARKS, THE RICHARDSON RESIDENTS AND THE DALLAS RESIDENTS. IT'S HUGE BECAUSE, UH, WE PAYING TAXES TO YOU GUYS AS WELL. AND THEN IT'S GONNA IMPACT, IT'S GONNA BE A DOMINO EFFECT. THAT IMPACT, IT'S GONNA BE, SOUNDS LIKE A WASH OFF COMPLETELY, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THE DOMINO EFFECT WILL HAPPEN. [02:25:01] AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO GO AND, AND DO A PROTEST AND LOWER OUR VALUES BECAUSE OF THAT HORRIBLE ECONOMIC OBSOLESCENCE OF A BUILDING THAT'S GONNA AFFECT US DIRECTLY. AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF RESIDENTS ALL OVER. UM, JUST TO KIND OF CONCLUDE, PLEASE WRAP UP. PLEASE CONDENSE MY, UH, MY, UH, FINAL WORDS. UH, I TALK TO YOUR HEARTS. PLEASE DENY IT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY GONNA AFFECT OUR LIFE AND I HOPE YOU GUYS GONNA ACCEPT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AIL MISRA. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M ANIL MISRA. I LIVE IN 2012 GARDENIA WAY. I LIKE THIS PLACE. IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL. I MOVED TO TEXAS TWO YEARS BACK AND I LOVE TEXAS, BUT I FELL IN LOVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS AREA JUST BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPE POND AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST PLACES I LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES. IT'S A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY COMMUNITY ALONG WITH THE UNITY AS THEY PRIDE THEMSELVES IN BEING. ONCE YOU PUT THIS R AND D FACILITY HERE, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL FACILITY, IT'S GONNA RUIN THE LIFE. PEOPLE LIVING THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE UNHAPPY, UNSAFE, UNHEALTHY, AND PROBABLY SAD FOR THEIR LIFE. I WILL MOVE OUT AS SOON AS THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS. SO I WOULD SAY WHATEVER THEY'RE SAYING, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF PUTTING A BUILDING THERE, WHICH WILL DO THE INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH THERE, WHICH WILL CREATE NOISE, SOUND, AIR, ALL KIND OF POLLUTION FOR PEOPLE LIVING THERE. SO IF, IF, IF WE WANT TO ASK OURSELF IF WE LIVE THERE, WOULD WE WANT THAT BUILDING COMING UP IN FRONT OF OUR FRONT YARD? OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LOADING DOCK WITH 18 WHEELERS COMING WHENEVER THEY WANT COME AND THE FACILITY RUNNING ALL OVER WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TODAY AND TOMORROW, THEY MIGHT CHANGE CERTAIN RULES, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO. I WOULD THINK THAT CITY MAY HAVE SOME OTHER PLACE FOR THEM, MAYBE WHERE THEY HAVE THE RESEARCH INNOVATION CENTER WHERE THEY CAN GIVE THEM LAND, THEY SHOULD STAY IN THE CITY. THEY ARE CREATING JOBS. THAT'S A GREAT THING TO DO. BUT THINK ABOUT YOURSELF IN A RE WHAT ARE THE RESIDENTS GETTING THERE? WHATEVER THE QUALITY OF LIFE THEY'RE HAVING IS GONNA BE DETERIORATED, RIGHT? ONE OF US, NOBODY WOULD WANT TO LIVE THERE OR DO ANYTHING IF THEY CAN, IF THEY CAN MOVE OUT. I'M NOT TALKING IN TERMS OF VALUES, BUT EVEN THE QUALITY OF LIFE PEOPLE LIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHO CAME FIRST AND WHY THAT BECOMES A CRITERIA FOR PUTTING AN INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH CENTER IN THAT AREA. I GIVE MY THREE MINUTES BACK, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU YOU, ALAN BASKIN AND HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME'S ALAN BASKIN AND I REPRESENT PARKSIDE TOWNS 2, 2 3 0 HIBISCUS AVENUE, RICHARDSON, 7 5 0 8 0. I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU BEFORE. I'M NOT GOING TO, UM, BORE YOU WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD. UH, BUT, UM, I SAY THAT THIS IS A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING THAT THE, UM, INITIAL, UM, ZONING FOR THE, UM, ABILITY TO DO THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT WAS IN CONFINED TO THE CURRENT, UM, UH, UH, BUILDING. AND IT'S ALL BEING DONE IN A VERY CONTROLLED MANNER. INDOORS, THERE ARE NO, UM, HUGE TRUCKS COMING IN TO DELIVER MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT. AND, UM, LENNOX HAS ALWAYS BEHAVED EXTREMELY RESPONSIBLY. AND, UM, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT, UM, MR. HURST HAS BEEN EXTREMELY GENTLEMAN LIKE AND DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE US, BUT THERE'S NO, UM, DOUBT THAT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IS THAT THIS IS A DENSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF YOUR CITIZENS LIVING THERE. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT UNDER A GUISE OF A ANCIENT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ALLOWANCE, IT'S BEING TWISTED TO ALLOW [02:30:01] AN INDUSTRIAL SIZED FACILITY TO BE PUT IN. AND THERE IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD NEED TO ADDRESS. IF YOU, IF YOU SAY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. UM, I'M A SURGEON AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN LABS, AND IT'S VERY CONFI CONTROLLED AND CONFINED. UM, BUT HERE YOU'RE EXPOSED TO NOISE, YOU'RE EXPOSED TO LARGE TRUCKS, YOU'RE EXPOSED TO THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT, UH, MR. BARRIO MENTIONED ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THESE TRUCKS TO NAVIGATE THE VERY NARROW ROADS THERE. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS WALKING IN FRONT OF THE LENNOX BUILDING ON THE ADJACENT PAVEMENT. UM, STUDENTS GOING TO THREE SCHOOLS, UM, AND STUDENTS GOING TO UNIVERSITY, TEXAS, DALLAS, UM, AND THERE'S A CONSTANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE TRUCKS COMING IN AND THAT'S GOING TO, UM, CREATE A HAZARD. SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE WOULD EARNESTLY ASK IF YOU COULD CONSIDER INSERTING CERTAIN THINGS, WHICH, UM, UM, DEREK DID, ME DID MENTION. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT, BUT, UM, IN THE INITIAL APPLICATION, IT SAID THAT THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THERE WILL BE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE SITE AS THERE IS LITTLE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GENERATED. ACCESS TO THE SITE IS PROVIDED FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON LAKE PARK BOULEVARD. THE FACILITY WILL RECEIVE WEEKLY DELIVERIES OF NEW EQUIPMENT TO BE TESTED. THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE SHIPPED AND DELIVERED BY A LARGE TRUCK WITH A FLAT BED TRAILER ONE TO TWO TIMES A WEEK. WE REQUEST THAT THAT BE PUT IN AS A CONDITION. WE ALSO REQUEST THAT YOU, UM, INSIST THAT A MANUFACTURING TYPE OF THINGS THAT JOHN MENTIONED CAN NEVER OCCUR BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH AT THE MOMENT, AND I TRUST THEM, BUT I'M GONNA BE GONE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE GONE. AND THERE'LL BE NEW PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE, IF YOU GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO BRING IN INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT AND BRING IN THIS SIZED TRUCKS. SO YOU NEED TO PUT IN THE SAFEGUARDS AND THE, THE, THE GUARDRAILS TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. SO MY APPEAL IS TO INCLUDE THIS IN YOUR MOTION, UM, UM, THE, UM, AS A FIFTH PART TO THE MOTION THAT THERE WILL BE CERTAIN STIPULATIONS AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO BECAUSE IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY. IT, AS I SAY, IT'S A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. AND, AND THE SLICK TALK THAT YOU'VE HEARD BY PROFESSIONALS, UM, DOES NOT MITIGATE THE FACT THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU, MS. LIEBERT. BRIAN CAMPBELL, CLIFF WOOD, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME'S CLIFF WOOD. I'M AT 8 2 2 6 VITEX. UM, TODAY WE'VE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT THE OM OFFICE DISTRICT REGULATIONS AS KIND OF A, THE BASE OF ZONING AS A PRETENSE TO DETERMINE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TRACT OF LAND IN TERMS OF BOTH USE OF AND HEIGHT. AND I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE HAS ACCEPTED THE PRETENSE THAT THE OM BASE ZONING IS A, IS AN ACCEPTABLE PRETENSE FOR THE USE. AND SO THEN I WOULD SAY, I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE SHOULD USE IT AS AN ACCEPTABLE PRETENSE FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT ITSELF. SO IF YOU GO TO THE OM OFFICE DISTRICT REGULATIONS SECTION FOUR A WITHIN ARTICLE 17 A, IT SAYS THAT IF, UM, A BUILD, IF, IF AN OFFICE IS WITHIN 300 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEN THERE ARE LIMITS TO THE HEIGHT. AND THOSE LIMITS ARE, IF THE OFFICE BUILDING IS WITHIN ZERO TO 150 [02:35:01] FEET OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEN THE HEIGHT IS LIMITED TO TO 25 FEET OR ONE STORY. IF THE OFFICE BUILDING IS BETWEEN 150 FEET TO 300 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEN THE LIMIT IS 35 FEET OR TWO STORIES. AND THEN FINALLY, IF THE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IS WITHIN 300 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL USE IS MORE THAN 300 FEET AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEN THEY'RE LIMITED IN HEIGHT TO 50 FEET OR EIGHT STORIES. UM, I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH LENNOX OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST FEW MONTHS ON BOTH HEIGHT AND SCREENING. I BELIEVE THAT THE HEIGHT CAN BE REDUCED, I BELIEVE, UM, LIKE THEY MENTIONED, THEY ARE USING CRANES TO BRING IN THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE TEST CHAMBERS, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU COULD EFFECTIVELY BUILD A BASEMENT WITHIN THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND SET UP THE TEST CHAMBERS TO ACTUALLY LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING TO 25 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE OM OFFICE REGULATIONS. NOW THAT WOULD COME AT A COST BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD A BASEMENT, BUT IT COULD BE DONE AND YOU COULD ACCESS THAT EFFECTIVELY THROUGH STAIRS OR ELEVATORS OR OTHER MEANS. SO THE HEIGHT COULD BE LIMITED TO 25 FEET. SO FAR THERE'S BEEN NO WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER HOW COULD WE REDUCE THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT, THAT'S BEEN MY BIGGEST CONCERN ALL ALONG IS JUST THE SHEER HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, 40 FEET TALL FROM THE AVERAGE GRADE. SO LET'S BE CLEAR, IT IS 40 FEET TALL BECAUSE THE FINISHED FLOOR IS AT FOUR FEET ABOVE, UH, THE AVERAGE GRADE. AND THEN THE, UH, THE SECOND THING THAT I'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM ON, WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY, UH, LOOKING AT IS THE SCREENING. UM, I DID SUGGEST THE SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA SPECIES WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT ON THE NORTH SIDE, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE HEAD IN PARKING, JUST HAVING AN ENTIRE LANDSCAPE ZONE, WHICH WOULD ENABLE YOU TO STACK TREES SIDE BY SIDE LIKE SOUTHERN MAGNOLIAS IN FRONT OF THE NASHER SCULPTURE CENTER AND A SIX INCH CALIPER SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA TREE WOULD BE ALMOST THE HEIGHT OF WHAT WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED IN THE RENDERINGS IN THE SECTIONS. UM, BUT WITH THE HEAD END PARKING SEPARATING THE TREE WELLS, THE SOUTHERN MAGNOLIAS REALLY ARE NOT FEASIBLE. SO THEN YOU'RE KIND OF LEFT WITH AN EVERGREEN TREE, LIKE A SOUTHERN LIVE OAK, IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVE WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE RENDERING. THOSE TREES ARE PROBABLY AT LEAST 16 INCH CALIPER. I'M NOT ASKING FOR 16 INCH CALIPER BECAUSE I AGREE THAT WOULD BE TOUGH TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF TREES. DAY ONE. IT'D BE EXPENSIVE, BUT I WOULD THINK AT LEAST AN EIGHT TO 10 INCH CALIPER SOUTHERN LIVE OAK WOULD PROVIDE A A PRETTY GOOD, UH, SCREENING DAY ONE. SO, UM, IN SUMMARY, UM, I BELIEVE THE BUILDING HEIGHT COULD BE REDUCED. IF WE ACCEPT THE PRETENSE FOR THE USE OF A RESEARCH LABORATORY IN THE OM DISTRICT, THEN WE SHOULD ACCEPT THE PRETENSE FOR BUILDING HEIGHT, WHICH IN THIS CASE, THE BUILDING WOULD BE LIMITED IN THE OM DISTRICT TO 25 FEET IN ONE STORY, AND THEY COULD ACHIEVE THAT THROUGH BUILDING A BASEMENT, USING THE CRANES TO MOVE THE EQUIPMENT INTO PLACE AND THE TEST CHAMBERS. AND THEN, UM, I WOULD LIKE SOME SPECIFICITY WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE REGARDING THE TREE CALIPER SIZE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MS. ER, ANN EDLIN. HI, MY NAME IS ANN EDLIN. I'M AT 2 1 2 8 MERIDIAN WAY. I'M, UM, I'M IN ONE OF THOSE HOUSES THAT BORDERS THE POND THERE, SO I'M GLAD THAT PICTURE IS STAYING UP. UM, WHAT THAT PICTURE ISN'T SHOWING, AND I HAVE A MILLION THINGS I COULD SAY, AND I REALIZE I HAVE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE BACKED RIGHT UP TO THAT PARKING LOT, UM, BEHIND LENNOX AND, AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL THE TREES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THEIR VIEW. UM, AND OUR VIEW, WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY, UM, AND I AM AN INTENSE RESEARCHER WHEN I GO TO SPEND OUR HARD EARNED MONEY ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND WE ASKED OUR, UM, ATTOR [02:40:01] OR A REAL ESTATE AGENT IF THERE COULD BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT OTHER THAN WHAT IS THERE. AND THEY SAID IT IS ZONED A CERTAIN WAY AND THAT ISN'T GONNA BE CHANGED. AND WHAT I'M ASKING YOU, THE PEOPLE, UM, WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF THE CITY, I I LIVED IN DALLAS MY WHOLE LIFE AND WE HAVE MOVED HERE ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND I HAVE LOVED THAT RICHARDSON IS A SMALLER, WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. UM, BUT HONESTLY, I WOULD BE VERY SHOCKED, UM, AND SADDENED IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE, UM, THIS IS A VERY DENSE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AROUND THIS. AND NO MATTER WHAT THE HISTORY WAS, UM, IT IS WHAT IT IS NOW. AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE NOW DON'T NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF THE EARLY ORIGINAL ANYTHING THEY BOUGHT BECAUSE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS IT IS NOW. AND I HEARD ONE OF YOU SAY THAT YOU ACTUALLY WENT TO THE PROPERTY TO CHECK IT OUT AND NOTICED HOW DENSE IT IS AND HOW NARROW THE DRIVES ARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE WALK OUR DOGS AROUND THAT PROPERTY EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON. UM, WE HEAR THE VERY LOUD GENERATOR EVERY WEEK, HEAR THE TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE. AND THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE IT ENORMOUSLY. IT WILL CHANGE WHAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS. UM, OUR HOUSE LOOKS OUT AT THAT PROPERTY AND IT'S BEEN BEAUTIFUL. I CAN'T IMAGINE, AND I PROBABLY WON'T BE THERE IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY THAT I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT A WAREHOUSE AND WITH TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT AND WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN MARGOT WAS SAYING THAT NOBODY CAME TO THE MEETING THAT THEY OFFERED, I THINK THAT THE GENERAL FEELING IS, UM, FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY EXCEPT FOR MYSELF, THAT THIS IS BASICALLY JUST BEING RAILROADED THROUGH BY A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT BY LENNOX ON A HIGH POWERED DALLAS, UM, LOBBYING FIRM TO PUSH THIS THROUGH. AND I REALLY WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THOSE PEOPLE, THAT ENTITY WILL BE OUT OF THIS AS SOON AS THEY'VE DONE THE JOB THEY'RE BEING PAID FOR. AND WE STILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE DECISION YOU MAKE. AND I WOULD REALLY ASK YOU TO CONSIDER GOING AND SITTING IN THAT PARKING LOT AND IMAGINING THE HOUSES AROUND THERE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RAISING THEIR KIDS IN THE BACKYARDS. THEY'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS. AND TRUCKS THAT WILL BE DRIVING PAST WINDOWS THAT WILL BE SO CLOSE TO SOME OF THEM. THEY COULD MAKE THE CURTAINS IN THE LIVING ROOM BLOW WITH THE, WITH THE TRUCKS GOING PAST AS CLOSE AS THEY ARE. IT IS DENSE AND I REALLY ASK YOU TO GO AND LOOK AT IT. UM, A LOT OF PROMISES HAVE BEEN MADE. I HEAR AND, AND THE TALK ABOUT LENNOX BEING A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR. AND I CAME UP HERE AND WAS VERY EMOTIONAL LAST TIME I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT POND AND THE PARK AROUND IT. UM, IT MEANS A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA. IT IS VERY HEAVILY USED BY THE LENNOX EMPLOYEES AS THEIR BREAK ROOM. AND, AND IT'S NICE TO SEE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THERE ON SUNNY DAYS AND HAVING THEIR LUNCH. WHILE LENNOX LENNOX'S VICE PRESIDENT WAS IN CHARGE OF THE OWNER'S ASSOCIATION, HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF IT WHEN THAT WAS SO RUN DOWN, THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK FOR YEARS. THE FOUNTAIN WENT OUT AND THEY IGNORED IT. THERE WERE DEAD FISH AND TRASH FLOATING. I HAVE A COMPUTER OVER THERE FULL OF PICTURES THAT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF I TOOK OF THE PROPERTY'S CONDITION WHILE LENNOX'S VICE PRESIDENT WAS IN CHARGE OF THE OWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND DID NOT HAVE THE LEGALLY REQUIRED MEETINGS. WE, WE TALKED TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND SHE SAID HE DID NOT CHOOSE TO HAVE MEETINGS EVER. UM, SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEIGHBOR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO PLEASE CONSIDER IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU OMAR KAHN, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR TIME TODAY AND FOR LISTENING TO THE FEEDBACK OF NEIGHBORS. UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT INNOVATION, ABOUT JOBS, AND, UM, I'M SORRY. UH, MY NAME'S OMAR [02:45:01] KI LIVE AT, UM, 2220 WEST DUTCH DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS. THANK YOU. IN SAVOY LANDING, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY. UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOA HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO TONIGHT AS WELL. AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST NOTE THAT, UM, WE OPPOSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. THINGS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. THERE'LL BE INCREASED TRAFFIC, MEANING INCREASED EXHAUST AND NOISE. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I IMAGINE THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WORK FROM HOME IN THIS POST COVID WORLD AT LEAST PART OF THE TIME. AND SO THE ADDITIONAL NOISE FROM GENERATORS, FROM TRUCKS, FROM EVERYTHING ELSE MAY MAKE THAT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO WORK EFFECTIVELY AT HOME. UM, THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CAN LEAD TO ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS WITH THE ROADS, PARTICULARLY ALONG TATUM. I BELIEVE THE EXISTING TRUCK ROUTE GOES ALONG TATUM TURNS NORTH, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE SCREENING WALL FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE EAST SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. UM, AS WE'VE SAID, IT IS A NARROW STREET, UM, WHETHER IT, UH, I'M NOT DOUBTING THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S, IT IS A NARROW STREET AND WITH LARGE TRUCKS TURNING DOWN THERE AND WITH ADDITIONAL TRUCKS NOW WITH THIS PROPERTY, NOW WITH THIS PLAN, THERE'LL BE, UH, INCREASED POTENTIAL FOR THINGS LIKE POTHOLES. UM, IN THE PAST MEETING, THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED ABOUT POWER DELIVERED TO THE SITE AND WHETHER ADDITIONAL POWER BE NEEDED. AND THE RESPONSE GIVEN WAS THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE CONCEPT PHASE AND WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET. UM, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG WITH DEVELOPING THAT PLAN BEFORE AN APPROVAL IS MADE SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY THE IMPACT OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE AND THAT IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL POWER REQUIRED OR OTHER UTILITIES REQUIRED, UM, PARTICULARLY AS THEY GO ALONG ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UH, RUNS BEHIND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE UNIVERSITY PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, LENNOX ENGAGES ENCORE, DETERMINE WHETHER IT BE FEASIBLE TO BURY ANY OF THOSE POWER LINES FROM, UH, WATERVIEW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO KUWAIT AND ANY ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED. UM, AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, UM, FROM THE COUNCILWOMAN ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS A CONCERN FOR US. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE MITIGATING, UM, FACTORS PUT IN PLACE TO CONTROL DAMAGE TO THE TREES, TO CONTROL, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTROL DEBRIS AND THINGS. BUT IF THEY ARE DOING THIS CONSTRUCTION, THERE WILL BE, THERE'LL BE DIRT, THERE'LL BE DUST, THERE WILL BE AIRBORNE DEBRIS THAT MAY SPREAD ACROSS ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WILL AFFECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE FOR WHAT SEEMS TO BE BETWEEN 10 AND 18 MONTHS. SO I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, UH, DENYING THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. EMER. LAST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS BRENDA BAILEY. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I SENT YOU A LETTER, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER THE LETTER THAT I SENT PREVIOUSLY, SO HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT. I DO WANNA CHALLENGE ONE THING BASED ON WHAT LENNOX HAS SHARED AT PREVIOUS PLANNING MEETINGS. UM, THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN IS OH, 2209 LONDON AVENUE, S LANDING, RICHARDSON, THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN WHERE OMAR AND OTHERS LIVE. ACTUALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY SHARED, LENNOX SOLD THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT USED TO BELONG TO THE LENNOX COMPANY. THAT'S WHAT WAS SHARED. I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, AND I SEE OTHER PEOPLE NODDING. SO, UM, BUT I SEE LENNOX SAYING NO, I, I DO THINK IN FAIRNESS TO LENNOX, THEY HAVE TRIED, BUT I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ACTUALLY DRIVING OVER THERE AND LOOKING AT WHAT THAT AREA IS. THE REALITY IS THAT'S A VERY, VERY CONGESTED AREA. I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THE CURRENT LOADING DOCK. WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THAT LOADING DOCK WAS THERE. THAT'S NOT LENNOX'S FAULT, I PURCHASED IT. SO I'M NOT EVEN GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW NARROW IT IS, MY PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR WAS NOT THE FENCE, THE BRICK WALL THAT'S BEHIND IT WAS KNOCKED DOWN BECAUSE A TRUCK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A BAD DRIVER. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. LENNOX IMMEDIATELY FIXED IT. SO IT'S NOT A, I DON'T WANNA SAY THEY DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT BECAUSE THEY DID, BUT YOU GET MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE, THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT WILL CONTINUE. I ASK YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY TO PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST OR HELP COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT. I DID A QUICK ANALYSIS, AND I'M SURE YOU COULD POKE HOLES IN IT, BUT 600 TO 800 RESIDENTS, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS ON A DAILY BASIS. THE SMALL CHILDREN THAT GO TO THE DAYCARES [02:50:01] AND THE, UM, THE, UH, EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT CENTERS, THE NEW SCHOOL THAT'S BEING BUILT, UM, OR THAT'S BEING RENOVATED FOR ADDITIONAL STUDENTS. THIS IS GOING TO GET MUCH MORE, UM, TIGHT. THE OTHER THING, ALL OF THE, THE ROADS IN THIS AREA ARE BEING TORN UP BY A LOT OF DIFF FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS. YOU CAN'T BLAME ALL THAT ON LENNOX. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS YOU CONTINUE TO CONDENSE ALL OF THIS, UM, TO THE POINT THAT I TOO AM CONSIDERING, UM, SELLING MY PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S JUST WE INVEST TOO MUCH TIME. MY HOME IS PAID FOR. I PAY, UM, SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY TAXES TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. AND YES, WHILE, I MEAN I HAVE THE MILLIONS THAT THE LENNOX CORPORATION DOES, WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT MANY HOUSEHOLDS AND YOU LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE PROPERTY VALUES, THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT OVERALL TO THE TAX REVENUE THAT YOU, YOU GET FROM RESIDENTS. SO, I, I DON'T WANNA BERATE LENNOX, THEY'RE A COMPANY TRYING TO EXPAND, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO STAY RELEVANT IN THE BUSINESS. I APPLAUD THAT. I WORKED IN CORPORATE AMERICA FOR MANY YEARS, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE HERE AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, THIS DECISION IS TO CONTINUE TO SQUEEZE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS GENERAL AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER CARDS, MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'LL BE LOOKING MR. HUTCHIN RIDER. MOTION TO CLOSE THE HEARING. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CAN I GET A SECOND? ANYONE? MR. DORIAN? OH, I'M SORRY. YOU WERE PUSHING. I, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT, GOT A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNSEL ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, YOU SEEING NO DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, TO, FOR A VOTE. MR. HUTCHEN, WRITER MAYOR, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 4, 5 3 5 AMENDING THE CONFERENCE, ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP AS PRESENTED. ARE THERE JUSTICE? IS THERE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT ANY I WAS MAKE AN AMENDMENT ABOUT THE TREES. I THINK, GO AHEAD. THAT WAS A CONCERN, JUST AN AMENDMENT TO ADD. UH, A A MINIMUM OF SIX INCH CALIPER TREES, UM, UH, WAS REQUESTED. I, I WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN ON MY, ON MY MOTION. OKAY, WE GOT A MOTION ON THE TABLE. COULD I GET A SECOND NOW? MR. CORCORAN SECOND GOT A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. DO, CAN WE GO BACK [6. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 25-01, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. 4533, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP BY GRANTING A CHANGE IN ZONING BY GRANTING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR AN EVENT CENTER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1101 E. ARAPAHO ROAD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, ZONED PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COLLINS/ARAPAHO TOD & INNOVATION DISTRICT FORM BASED CODE (EMPLOYMENT SUB-DISTRICT).] TO ITEM NUMBER SIX OR IS PERSON? YES, SIR. MAYOR. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, UNAVOIDABLY, UM, DETAINED TONIGHT. UM, IF YOU'RE AGREEABLE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE ACTION WOULD BE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE, UH, THE ZONING FILE TO FEBRUARY 24TH, 2025 AT 6:00 PM MAYOR, I MAKE THAT MOTION. ALRIGHT, MR. RETCHER. RIGHT? I GOT A MOTION TO DO IT. UH, MR. DORIAN SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. GOT A MOTION? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. IT BRINGS THIS TO ITEM NUMBER [9. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETINGS] NINE, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETINGS. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THIS ITEM WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA, UH, AT, UH, AT YOUR REQUEST. YOU DIRECTED ME, UH, TO, UM, UH, ADD THIS TO A FUTURE AGENDA. I MENTIONED THAT LAST WEEK AS, UH, PER YOUR, UM, NEW POLICY, UH, REGARDING, UM, COUNCIL MEETING, AGENDA ITEM, UH, ISSUES. AND, UH, SO, UH, WE'VE ADDED THIS TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT FOR YOU TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, UH, YOU AND THE COUNCIL OF DIALOGUE AND DISCUSS ABOUT, UH, THE, UM, POSSIBLY, UH, VIDEOTAPING AND BROADCASTING AND, AND VIDEO RECORDING, FUTURE CHARTER COMMISSION MEETINGS. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S ON FOR. WELL, MR. MAGNER, THANK YOU. AND, AND FOR THOSE AT HOME AND COUNCIL PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THROUGH MULTIPLE VENUES, UH, THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT FILMING OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND OR ALL COM BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, INITIALLY, I'LL BE HONEST, I SAID, I DON'T THINK WE EVEN REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. I'M ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND I WANT US TO BE TRANSPARENT. UM, AND I HAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF WHERE THIS COUNCIL IS EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT. AND, BUT I WILL SAY IN THIS CASE, WHEN THIS COUNCIL CHOSE TO INTERVIEW [02:55:01] AND TO SELECT THE MEMBERS FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WE DID IT PRIVATELY AND THEN WE DID ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PUBLICLY, WHICH WAS TRANSPARENT. I WILL ADD THAT NOT A SINGLE TIME DID ANYONE MENTION THAT WE NEED TO FILM THIS, AND WE'VE NEVER FILMED IT IN THE PAST. AND I, AND I'D LIKE TO COMMENT BECAUSE WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT, BECAUSE THAT COMMISSION, SPECIFICALLY THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, THEY REVIEW ALL THEIR THINGS, THE THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT, THE THINGS THEY DISCUSS, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO GO AND SIT IN AND HEAR THEM DISCUSS IT. MATTER OF FACT, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW, UH, VISITORS THAT HAVE FILMED IT ON THEIR OWN AND THEY'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO DO THAT. 10 YEARS AGO WHEN I CHAIRED THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSION, I WAS FILMED WHILE WE DID IT. AND THERE WAS, NO ONE WAS EVER TOLD NOT TO FILM IT. AND THAT'S FINE. BUT HERE'S WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE VOLUNTEERS. THEY'RE NOT VOTED, THEY'RE NOT ELECTED BY THE COMMUNITY. THESE ARE VOLUNTEERS THAT AGREED TO GO ONTO A COMMISSION. NOT ONCE DID WE TELL THEM THAT WE ARE GONNA TAKE AWAY THEIR THOUGHT PROCESSES OR BY FILMING THEM AND SENDING IT OUT TO THE WORLD. AND I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T CHANGE THE GOALPOST IN THE MIDDLE OF ALREADY HAVING THIS COMMISSION APPOINTED. AND THEY'RE DOING YEOMAN'S WORK, THEY'RE WORKING HARD, THEY'RE DOING GOOD THINGS, AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXCHANGE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS WITHOUT FEELING LIKE, OH GOSH, IF I'M ON CAMERA, WHO'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, CALL ME AND SAY, WHY'D YOU SAY SUCH A THING? OR WHATEVER. UM, I THINK OUTTA RESPECT, I DON'T THINK YOU'D CHANGE THE RULES MIDSTREAM PERSONALLY. UM, IF IN 10 YEARS THEY WANT TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, AND WE SAY IT FROM THE VERY GET GO THAT WE'RE GONNA FILM IT, SO BE IT. I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO IT, BUT I THINK THE TIMING OF IT'S WRONG RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS I THINK OTHER THAN THE RESPECT OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND SHOWING THEM RESPECT, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU THROW THAT BACK ON 'EM. UM, I THINK MONEY IS A, IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR IT YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT? AND, AND AS WE DO THAT AND HOW MANY TIMES IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S ALSO SCHEDULING BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSION MEETS IN HERE, BUT OTHER TIMES THEY MIGHT MEET OTHER PLACES. BUT JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CAMERAS AND THE EQUIPMENT TO MAKE THAT WORK. AND THERE MAY BE OTHER MEETINGS THAT NEED THAT SAME EQUIPMENT. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT AND HIRE, EXCUSE ME, RAISE MONEY OR HAVE MONEY THAT'S NOT BUDGETED FOR, BY THE WAY, TO GET MORE EQUIPMENT. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE PROBABLY, IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UM, FILMED, WE NEED HAVE TO HIRE MORE TECHNICIANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR BUDGET TO DO THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE OF THAT. AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER THINGS I, I WANT TO GET THE, I'M GONNA ASK THE COUNCIL TO SHARE ANY THOUGHTS THEY HAVE. I'VE PROBABLY GOT FOUR OR FIVE OTHER, UM, BULLET POINTS, BUT I, I, I'LL REST RIGHT THERE. I'M A, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD FOR ALL THE THINGS I SAID, PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL ONES, BUT IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HIT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS OR THEY COUNTER WHAT I JUST SAID, THAT'S FINE TOO. I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEIR OPINION. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DISCUSS THIS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE. MS. JUSTICE, WHY DON'T YOU START WITH US? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS YOU MADE IS AN, UH, A GOOD ONE ABOUT BUDGET. SO I, I DON'T KNOW MR. MAGNER, IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD BE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO WE CAN MAKE A SORT OF A DATABASE DISCUSSION. I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S, UH, YEAH, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE COST BE TO DO THIS? SURE. SO, UM, THE WAY WE PURCHASE THE SERVICES FROM GRANITE GUESSES AND BLOCKS, IF YOU WILL, WE PURCHASE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MEETINGS, AND GENERALLY WE'LL PURCHASE, UM, A LITTLE BIT, A FEW EXTRA MEETINGS. 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, COULD BE AN EMERGENCY MEETING, UH, VARIETY OF REASONS. UM, ON AVERAGE, UM, THE MEETING FROM THE COST OF GRANICUS IS ABOUT 350, UM, DOLLARS PER MEETING. NOW. THAT'S THE GRANICUS COST. WE HAVE OUR COST, UM, EVERY, EVERY NIGHT, UH, FOR CITY COUNCIL AND CPC. THERE'S SOMEBODY RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL WHO'S MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, IS, UH, WORKING. AND IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, HE'S ABLE TO, OR HE, OR SHE'S ABLE TO QUICKLY RESPOND TO THAT. SO THE TOTAL COST [03:00:01] ON AVERAGE OF A MEETING IS ABOUT 700 TO $750, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG, HOW LONG THE MEETING, UH, WOULD GO. UM, UH, UM, MAYOR, MAYOR DUB IS CORRECT. UM, MY ESTIMATE, IF WE, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, IF WE, UH, VIDEO, UH, BROADCAST AND RECORDED ALL BOARDING COMMISSION MEETINGS WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE ABOUT 70 ADDITIONAL MEETINGS PER YEAR. UM, AND SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S, UH, MORE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY BUDGET FOR. SO IT'D BE ACTUALLY ABOUT, UM, 150% OF OUR CURRENT BUDGET A ADDITIONALLY. SO THAT COST WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND, UM, 25 TO $35,000 FOR THE GRANICUS. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO STAFF 70 ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL MEETINGS A YEAR. UM, UH, THE, THE, THE PERSON THAT DOES THIS, THAT'S A PORTION OF, OF HIS JOB CURRENTLY. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 70 ADDITIONAL NIGHT MEETINGS ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR TO MAYBE TWO TO TO THREE HOURS AND TALKING HUNDREDS OF HOURS MORE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO THERE WOULD BE STAFFING IMPLICATIONS. UM, ANOTHER, UH, UM, CITV TECHNICIAN. AND SO, UM, I, I, I, I THINK A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE WOULD BE, IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 70 MEETINGS A YEAR, MORE MIGHT BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BETWEEN THE GRANT, I GUESS, AND THE ADDITIONAL STAFF PERSON THAT WE, WE NEED. NOW, THAT STAFF PERSON COULD DO OTHER THINGS AS WELL, AND WE WOULD PUT 'EM TO, TO GOOD USE IN CITV OR, OR OTHER COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITIES. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY JUST TO ADD 70 NIGHT OBLIGATIONS FOR EXISTING STAFF AND BE ABLE TO COVER THAT. UM, THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO THAT WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE CERTAIN DUTIES OR RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT PERSON NOW AND MAKE THAT THEIR FULL-TIME ROLE. I THINK YOU, THAT'S HELPFUL INFORMATION. I MEAN, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON THIS ARE SIMILAR TO MAYOR DUB. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL TALKED A LOT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND, AND ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT. I TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSION MEETING MEMBERS, AND THE, THE SENTIMENT THAT MAYOR DOOBY, UH, COMMUNICATED JUST FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THESE BEING PRIVATE CITIZENS, UM, WAS SHARED WITH ME BY COMMISSION MEMBERS. AND THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN. ALSO, THEY VOLUNTEERED FOR THIS, UM, SORT OF NOT ANTICIPATING THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, SORT OF, UH, THRUST IN SORT OF, SORT OF THE POLITICAL SPOTLIGHT, IF YOU WILL. UM, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO AGREED GRACIOUSLY TO SERVE, UM, TO NOW ASK THEM TO, UM, MIDSTREAM AS, AS THE MAYOR PUT IT TO, TO BE VIDEOTAPED. UM, IT'S, I THINK, A GREAT IDEA TO RECORD THESE IN THE FUTURE, UM, WHEN WE BUDGETED FOR IT. AND WHEN WE HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION. MY CONCERN AT THIS TIME IS THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO THEM, UM, AT THAT TIME. UM, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO THEM. UM, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT, THAT I, I DO NOT THINK NOW IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO START RECORDING THEM. UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA IN THE FUTURE TO CONSIDER WHETHER WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ADD A STAFF MEMBER AND MAYBE THINK ABOUT PARTICULARLY FOR A SPECIALTY COMMISSION LIKE THIS, DOING THAT. UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TONIGHT. IT'S JUST THE CHARTER REVIEW . SO I, I THINK, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE CURRENT COMMISSION, I, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE CONCERNS JUST BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE CHANGING THE RULES ON THEM, UM, HALFWAY THROUGH, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO THEM WHEN THEY AGREED TO SERVE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, AND I, I GUESS I DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT REGARDING THE TRANSPARENCY. WHY I THINK WE ARE CURRENTLY VERY TRANSPARENT IS THE FACT THAT THEIR THOUGHTS, THEIR SUGGESTIONS AND SO FORTH, THEY GO THROUGH THAT, THEN THEY BRING THOSE TO US ON COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL WILL DEBATE IT, DISCUSS IT OPENLY, AND THAT'S BEING FILMED. SO THEIR THOUGHTS ARE GETTING CONVEYED PUBLICLY. MAYBE NOT EVERY WORD OR EVERY PARTICULAR THING, BUT WHATEVER THEY SETTLE ON IN THAT, THOSE MEETINGS IS GONNA COME TO US. AND THEN PUBLICLY WE WILL DISCUSS THEM THE, AND WEIGH THE BENEFITS, PROS AND CONS AT THAT TIME. AND SO IT GOES THROUGH THAT STEP UP CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND EVERYONE WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. SO, I, I, I STILL THINK IT'S TRANSPARENT, IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY EARLIER. SO, MR. DORIAN? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I, I I, I SUPPORT BEING TRANSPARENT, OF COURSE. I THINK WE ALL DO. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE STAKEHOLDERS RICHARDSON, UM, RESIDENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, PRIVY TO WHAT KIND OF DECISIONS AND, UM, AND, AND, AND WHAT OUR, UH, OUR CHARTER AND, UH, COMMISSIONS ARE DOING. UH, MR. MAGNER, I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE FOLLOW UP ON GIVING US, YOU KNOW, THE CALCULATIONS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO ACTUALLY FACILITATE, UH, RECORDING THESE, UH, MEETINGS. AND HONESTLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A BIT OF [03:05:01] MONEY. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE TAXPAYERS WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE US SPENDING DOLLARS IN THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY. UH, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, OUT LOUD, I, THIS IS A MEETING THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OPEN SO ANYONE COULD ATTEND THE MEETINGS, CORRECT? I MEAN, IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT CLOSED. THEY'RE IN A SMALLER ROOM, BUT ANYONE CAN ATTEND AND RECORD AND ASK QUESTIONS OR JUST OBSERVE IF THEY WANT TO. SO, AND, AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN, UH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, JUSTICE, THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT THAT THE CHARTER WAS TOLD THIS IN THE VERY BEGINNING, UH, I THINK IT WOULD, THIS WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR NOW IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THINGS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY GETTING RECORDED THAT WHAT'S TO COME UP AT A LATER DATE. BUT HONESTLY, THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT GOING INTO IT. AND WE'RE LITERALLY, AFTER THIS WEEK, WE'LL BE 50% OF COMPLETED WITH THE CHARTER, UH, REVIEW MEETINGS. MM-HMM . SO I THINK, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT ANYONE, ANYTHING WERE TO CHANGE IT A FU FUTURE DATE, THEY COULD EVEN, UH, USE THIS ROOM, UM, WITH AN AUDIENCE, KIND OF LIKE THE WAY WE DO IT HERE IN COUNCIL, IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK, THAT THEY COULD LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. BUT I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE MONEY AND AS FAR AS, UH, KNOWING THAT THE MEETINGS ARE OPEN, UM, I, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THE FACT IS, IS, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CORCORAN. I THINK YOU WERE NEXT. YEAH, MR. MAYOR, I MEAN, I'LL TAKE A, A COUNTERPOINT JUST TO, TO THIS. I MEAN, ONE, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THE, THE 70 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ALL BOARDS. I CAN A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE. I MEAN, AS WE, WE ALL KNOW, READING OR EVERY WORD DISSECTED IS, IS PRETTY MENTALLY CHALLENGING. UM, IT, IT CAN BE VERY AGGREGATE, AGGREGATING HAVE REAL WORLD IMPACTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT SUM OF MONEY AND WE TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER, I MEAN, ADDING ONTO THE LOGISTICAL CONCERNS WITH THE NEW CITY HALL AND, AND SCHEDULING ALL OF THAT. I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN. OF COURSE, I'M OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION. I DO THINK WITH THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION RESPECTING, 'CAUSE THAT WAS MY INITIAL CONCERN TOO, RESPECTING WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY SIGNED UP FOR. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE ALREADY OUT THERE MISREPRESENTING WHAT OUR CITY STAFF WERE SAYING, MISREPRESENTING WHAT, YOU KNOW, OR DISSECTING AT LEAST WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE DOING. THEY'RE ALREADY FILMING IT. I MEAN, WHAT'S 500 BUCKS JUST FOR US TO FILM IT OURSELVES AND KIND OF CONTROL THE NARRATIVE THERE AND, UM, AND JUST MAKE SURE SORT OF EVERYTHING IS, IS RECORDED IN OUR ARCHIVE AND SORT OF ACCURATELY REPRESENTED, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT SORT OF THREAD INTO WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT ONCE THEY WRAP UP THEIR WORK. THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHT ON IT. UM, I, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE, FUTURE FORWARD, OTHER COMMISSIONS, OTHER THINGS, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE A MUCH MORE SORT OF IN DEPTH AND NUANCED DISCUSSION ON IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE REALLY CHALLENGING. THANK YOU, MR. SHA. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, YOU KNOW, I DO RESPECT, I MEAN, RESPECT ALL OF YOUR OPINION. AND SAME TIME, DEFINITELY THE COST IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S A TAXPAYER'S MENU. UH, WE HAVE TO SEE THE BEST WAY TO UTILIZE THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THAT, YEAH, WE DIDN'T, WE DID NOT TELL THEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECORD IT, BUT WE DID NOT TELL THE SAME THING THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECORD IT. I MEAN, VICE VERSA. SO THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT RECORDING OR NOT, NOT RECORDING DURING, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THOSE VOLUNTEER ON BOARD. SO I THINK WITH THAT RESPECT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALLOWED TO BE RECORDED. SO WHEN SOMEONE RECORDED, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO RECORD OURSELF ALSO SO THAT IT PROTECTS THEM ALSO. THIS IS NOT, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, PURPOSE. IT'S ALSO PURPOSE TO PROTECT THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, BECAUSE NOW IT IS WITH THE AI AND EVERYTHING, HE CAN CHANGE VIDEO SO MUCH, AND OF COURSE HE CAN, YOU KNOW, SEND OUT ANOTHER INFORMATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN REMOTE THINGS HAPPEN, IT'S SOMETIMES THERE IS AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF RESIDENTS THEY WILL THINK DIFFERENT WAY. SO, YOU KNOW, $500, $700, I THINK THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S DOABLE FOR SIX MONTHS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BIG, UH, BUDGET ISSUE, BUT LONG TERM, I KNOW, I THINK, UH, YOU MENTIONED A HUNDRED THOUSAND. I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE BACKUP EMPLOYEE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE, SO THREE PEOPLE WORKING FOR, YOU KNOW, [03:10:01] ONE HOUR SOMETIMES, BUT IT COULD BE LIKE 5, 6, 7 HOURS. SO IT GOES DISPROPORTIONATELY HIGH, I THINK NEED TO BE, UH, MORE CAREFUL AND MORE THOUGHT PROCESS NEED TO BE DONE THERE. UH, BUT ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN, EVENTUALLY, IF BUDGET IS NOT AN ISSUE, MANPOWER IS NOT AN ISSUE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION, UH, GET BROADCAST, LIKE, AND, YOU KNOW, MOVE ON BECAUSE NOBODY'S HERE TO GAIN ANYTHING PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE THAT. AND EVERYBODY'S VOLUNTEERING PRETTY MUCH, AND THEIR HEART IS WITH THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST. AND, UH, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE TRANSPARENT. UH, IT'S JUST THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, HOW TO PROTECT THEM. BUT, UH, AND OF COURSE THAT WILL BE WRITTEN THAT ALL THE MEETING WOULD BE RECORDED BROADCAST, SO EVERYONE WILL KNOW WHAT TO DO EXACTLY. BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK, UH, BUT WITH THIS, WITH THIS CHARTER COMMISSION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IS PROBABLY NOT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO RECORD THIS. I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT THE RECORD, UH, THIS, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM, UH, COMMISSIONS, UM, UH, MEETINGS. AND I, I, I THINK THAT WOULD NOT BE REALLY, UH, TOO MUCH BURDEN FOR THE CITY AT THIS POINT. THAT'S MY OPINION. MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, BEFORE I ASK SOME QUESTIONS, I DO WANNA, UM, SUPPORT AND REITERATE SOMETHING THAT MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED THAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH. UM, YOU MENTIONED IT JUST WASN'T DISCUSSED RECORDING. I AGREE. IT WASN'T ON MY, UM, I GUESS IT, IT WASN'T, UM, IT WASN'T SOMETHING I HAD THOUGHT OF FOR SURE ABOUT THE RECORDING OF 'EM. AND, UM, SO IT WASN'T THAT WE WEREN'T TRYING NOT TO, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST NOT PUBLICLY SPOKEN OR AT LEAST NOT ANY CONVERSATIONS I WAS PRIVY TO. WAS THAT PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. SO, UH, I, I AGREE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS ON OUR RADAR, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. UM, MR. MAGNER, THE 700 TO $750 A NIGHT, YOU MENTIONED A BIG NUMBER A MINUTE AGO. HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS, INCLUDING THE ONE THIS WEEK, DO WE HAVE BEFORE THEIR, UM, THEIR COMMISSION IS, IS DONE? I'M SORRY, AMY, I'M LOOKING AT AMY JUST TO CONFIRM IT'S YEAH, NO PROBLEMS. IT'S, IT'S, UH, SIX TOTAL, BUT ONE IS OPTIONAL. YES, YES, SIR. IS ONLY IF NEEDED SIX TOTAL. UM, TWO ARE WRAP UP MEETINGS, AND ONE OF 'EM IS ONLY IF NEEDED. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WORST CASE SCENARIO SIX, THERE'S BEEN, OKAY. TWO MEETINGS THOUGH ALREADY. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE MEETINGS. THERE HAVE BEEN THREE, SO WE'RE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY DONE. THREE. OKAY. SO, UM, AT $750, YOU SAID BETWEEN 700 AND 759, LET'S SAY WORST CASE SCENARIO SEVEN 50, WE'RE LOOKING AT $4,500 TO RECORD THE REST OF THESE COMMISSION MEETINGS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR COMMISSION DUTIES. WORST CASE SCENARIO, ASSUMING THEY HAVE ALL MEETINGS AND WE DO AT 750 A NIGHT, UM, ARE ALL THE MEETINGS HELD IN THIS ROOM? UH, NO, SIR. CURRENTLY THEY'RE HELD IN THE SPRING CREEK, UM, CONFERENCE ROOM. THAT WAS A CHOICE OF THE COMMISSION. THEY FELT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE AROUND A CONFERENCE TABLE SO THAT THEY COULD LOOK AT EACH OTHER AND HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE. THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO HAVE TO PUSH, YOU KNOW, MICROPHONE BUTTONS. IT'S A VERY FLUID KIND OF A DISCUSSION, UH, THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE. AND SO THEY OPTED, UH, WHEN WE MET WITH THE CHAIRMAN IS, IS THAT THE ROOM WE HA HELD THE, HELD THE BALLOT DRAW TODAY? NO, IT'S THE ROOM THAT, IT'S THE ONE IN THE BACK WHERE THE COUNCIL USUALLY HAS ITS BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEANS. OKAY. UM, AND THIS, UM, AMY, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION. I GUESS EITHER ONE OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE THIS, WHEN THEY FILL OUT THE BOARD APPLICATION, DO THEY HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER FOR LIKENESS USE, LIKE FOR PICTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT? NO. NO, THEY DON'T. SO HOW ARE WE ABLE TO USE THEIR, LIKE PICTURES WHEN WE DO PICTURES OF THEM AND PUT ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF OUT ON MEDIA? IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY SIGN IS THEY'RE IN THE PUBLIC REALM. OKAY. AND SO IF, NOW I AGREE WITH YOU, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SEEMS LIKE A LOT, AND I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR, YOU KNOW, FUTURE. BUT TO JERRY, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR LOOKING INTO THE NEW, UH, CITY HALL GOING FORWARD, BUT LOOKING AT THIS, IT, IT BEING A $4,500 WORST CASE SCENARIO COST IN A $406 MILLION BUDGET. I KNOW WE, UH, BUDGET CONSERVATIVELY IN RICHARDSON. WE LIKE TO CREATE A PLAN, BUT SURELY WE HAVE A BUMPER OF $4,500 SOMEWHERE. YEAH. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR. I I DIDN'T SAY THIS WAS A BUDGET ISSUE. OKAY. I NEVER, I NEVER, I NEVER IMPLIED THAT THIS WAS, THIS WAS [03:15:01] A BUDGETARY QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS A BUDGET ISSUE. DO WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THE PEOPLE CURRENTLY TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THESE MEETINGS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE WORK OF THEIR COMMISSION? WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE, UH, OUR CURRENT, UM, UM, OUR CURRENT GUY, CIT TECHNICIAN COVER THE REMAINING MEETINGS. YES. OKAY. SO BEING THAT IT, IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A $4,500. WE DO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. I THINK THAT THE WEIGHT THAT THIS COMMISSION CARRIES AT 10 YEARS, AND I I I AGREE IT WASN'T ON ANY OF OUR RADAR. UM, IT'S NOT JUST PUTTING THEM IN A PUBLIC EYE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE AS A COUNCIL APPOINTED THIS GROUP, UM, I THINK THE WEIGHT THAT IT ONLY MEETS EVERY 10 YEARS, WE NEED TO GO AND DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO BE AS TRANSPARENT. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS COUNCIL, AND I KNOW WE HAVE WORKED TOWARDS TRANSPARENCY. WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY WORKED TOWARDS TRANSPARENCY. AND, UH, I DON'T DOUBT THERE'S A SINGLE PERSON HERE THAT DOESN'T WANT TO WORK TOWARDS TRANSPARENCY. SO, YOU KNOW, I I COULD SAY FOR ALL, ALL MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES, ONAS, THAT I THINK WE ALL WANT THAT. I THINK THAT THE WEIGHT OF, OF THIS COMMISSION IS TOO GREAT. WE HAVE THE ABILITY, IT'S A SMALL BUDGETARY O OPTION. I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T. AND I, I FEEL THAT, UM, ON THIS STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WHEN THIS CAME ONTO MY RADAR, UH, I THINK WE HAD GOTTEN A VOICEMAIL, UM, SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HAD WRITTEN ABOUT IT. AND I WENT BACK AND READ WHAT THAT PERSON WROTE, AND IT HAD RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT STAFF. AND I, I SAID, OKAY, WELL, WHEN YOU KNOW WHO, WHO HAS A RECORDING OF THIS? SINCE I HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE, SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY HAD A RECORDING OF IT, AND I WENT TO THAT PERSON AND SAID, CAN I HAVE A RECORDING? THEIR RESPONSE WAS, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE MY RECORDING OF, OF THE MEETING. AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT STAFF SAID. AND I THINK FOR HAVING THAT RECORDING ON A PERMANENT BASIS, I THINK ALSO PROTECTS STAFF. UM, AND I FEEL THAT AS PART OF THE COUNCIL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE, UH, HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO, TO, TO HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY, UM, FOR THEIR SAKE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, A CM OR, UH, WHOEVER IS ADDRESSING THE, UM, THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME. SO WHEN I THINK OF THE NEED AND THE BARRIERS FOR DOING THIS, I DON'T THINK THE BARRIERS OF 4,500, I DON'T THINK THE BARRIER OF, I DON'T SEE IT AS PUTTING THE COMMISSIONERS ON, UM, ON BLAST, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. I I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT AS THAT I SPOKE. YEAH. NO, NO, NO. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND I, I BELIEVE YOU COUNCILMAN, UM, I THINK WE HAVE SOME STRONG COMMISSIONERS. I THINK THAT THEY ARE ALL HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. UM, I THINK THAT THEY KNOW THE WEIGHT AND THIS AND THE SEVERITY OF WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR. THIS ISN'T AN ENTRY LEVEL BOARD OR COMMISSION BY ANY MEANS. NOT THAT YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT. THIS IS ONE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED AND FOR VARIOUS REASONS. UM, AND IT JUST CARRIES TOO MUCH. AND THE BARRIERS ARE TOO LOW TO NOT RECORD THEM. I MEAN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, WE HAVE A DESIRE TO HAVE A TRANSPARENT FOR THOSE WATCHING. I THINK THERE'S A LEVEL OF PROTECTION THERE FOR STAFF, UH, TALKING TO WHO, WHOEVER GOES BEFORE THEM. AND IT'S GONNA BE 10 MORE YEARS BEFORE, UH, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO DO THIS AGAIN. SO, WITH THAT SAID, I, I STRONGLY SUPPORT RECORDING 'EM, AND I URGE THE REST OF US TO STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT. 'CAUSE I, I JUST THINK IT'S THAT IMPORTANT. I REALLY DO THINK SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. . THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO START OUT NUMBER ONE BY, I WENT AND LOOKED UP ON WEBSTER'S WHILE WE STARTED THIS TOPIC. TRANSPARENCY IS SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS HONESTLY AND RESPECTFULLY IN AN OPEN WAY WITHOUT SECRETS. I BELIEVE WE ARE DOING THAT. WE HAVE EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS OPEN. AND I BELIEVE IF SOMEONE IS CONCERNED ENOUGH THAT THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS OCCURRING, THEN THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO COME IN AND BE A PART AND SIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT IS OCCURRING IN THE MEETING. I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE. ALMOST EVERY WEEK, LAUREN DECKER AND RICHARD STECKER ARE HERE AT THIS MEETING. AND THEY ARE VERY, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY MUCH HERE. AND SO THEY, ANYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO JUST LIKE WHAT LAUREN [03:20:01] AND RICHARD ARE DOING IN BEING HERE AT ALMOST EVERY MEETING AND LISTENING AND, AND TAKING THE INFORMATION IN. UM, I AGREE 100% WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE. WE DIDN'T ASK THE MEMBERS TO BE RECORDED. THEY DON'T WANT IT. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. THEY'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT OF THAT. I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WHAT OUR MAYOR SAID IS THAT IN THE NEXT, IN THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK OR, OR MAYBE STATE AS A STIPULATION THAT THE MEETINGS WILL BE RECORDED AND PUBLICLY, UM, TRANSMITTED OR TELEVISED, UM, OUT. BUT WE DIDN'T DO THAT. MAYBE THAT'S A COLLECTIVE SHAME ON ALL OF US. SO BE IT. THEY'VE SPECIFICALLY STATED THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT THEM THAT IN THAT POSITION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. FOLKS, LET'S BE REALISTIC. THIS HAS NOT BEEN AN OUTPOURING OF REQUEST FOR THIS TO BE TAPED AND BROADCASTED. WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE BIG ISSUES OUT OF THIS CHARTER COMMISSION. AND THIS IS A NEEDLING POINT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING FORTH. IF WE LOOK AT OUR VERY OWN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE ON HERE WHO, ONE OF WHICH ACTUALLY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA COME OUT STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF DOING IT. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEUTRAL AND IT'S RIGHT THERE NEUTRAL. SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT STRONG IN SUPPORT OF IT. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD WANT TO, TO PLACE OUR, OUR CURRENT MEMBERS WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED. THEY'RE NOT PAID, THEY'RE NOT ELECTED. WE ASK THEM OUT OF THEIR CIVIC DUTY, OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART, WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU WANNA, WHATEVER THEIR PERSONAL MOTIVATION WAS. AND I HAVEN'T ASKED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM THEIR PERSONAL MOTIVATION. SO I'M DOING A LITTLE BIT OF SPECULATING THERE, I'LL FREELY ADMIT THAT. BUT THEY'VE COME BACK TO US AND SAID, PLEASE DON'T, PLEASE DON'T PUT US IN THIS POSITION. AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT 'EM IN THE POSITION. I THINK WE SHOULD RESPECT THEM ENOUGH AS PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY'VE MADE THIS REQUEST, THEN WE NOT PUT THEM THROUGH THAT. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS GONNA COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. ALL OF THEIR, ALL OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THEIR THOUGHTS, WHAT THEY BELIEVE, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY, THEY DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE THE ONES CHARGED WITH WHAT WILL GO OUT TO THE CITIZENS TO VOTE ON. AS A PART OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION. I WAS INVOLVED IN THE LAST ONE, 10 YEARS AGO. UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, THE, THE VERY FIRST KIND OF SUB I, I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION ITSELF, BUT I WAS INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE, UM, WORKING THROUGH, ONCE THE COUNCIL AND I WENT TO ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS AND LISTEN, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE. 'CAUSE IT WAS 83, 84, I DUNNO, IT WAS HUGE NUMBER. I, I'VE LOST TRACK NOW OVER 10 YEARS. UM, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE. AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND IF WE TALK FOR 45 MINUTES ABOUT SIDEWALKS, I BET YOU WE'RE GONNA TALK AT LEAST 45 MINUTES ABOUT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CHARTER THINGS. I DON GOOD LUCK TRYING TO SCHEDULE THIS, UM, THESE MEETINGS WHEN WE GET TO THAT CHARTER COMMISSION POINT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL BE HERE FOR LONG, LONG HOURS. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CHARGED TO DO. AND WE'VE BEEN ELECTED, WE'RE THE ONES WHO ARE ON FILM. WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE ON TAPE. WE'RE THE ONES WHO GET OUR, EVERY ONE OF OUR SINGLE WORDS DISSECTED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T TAKE THE CUT TIME TO COME INTO THIS, INTO THIS MEETING. THEY DON'T SEE ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. UM, AND THEN THEY SIT BEHIND. AND AGAIN, IT'S A SMALL GROUP, FOLKS, THIS IS NOT, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, MASS PACKETS FROM EVERYONE SAYING THIS HAS TO BE RECORDED. THIS HAS TO BE TAPED. I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE THERE, IF YOU WILL, AS I WEIGH THIS TO, TO FORCE THIS ON COMMISSIONERS WHO, OR COMMISSION MEMBERS, I GUESS IS A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. WHO, WHO WE ASKED TO DO A VOLUNTEER JOB AND WE DIDN'T PUT IT FORTH AS A STIPULATION. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME NOW. AND SO I'M, I'M VERY, VERY STRONGLY OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE RULES 10 YEARS FROM NOW. DIFFERENT BALL GAME. YOU KNOW, I WON'T BE ON COUNCIL 'CAUSE I'LL HAVE TERMED OUT. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK 10 YEARS FROM NOW, DEFINITELY WE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE BUDGETED FOR IT CAN BE DONE, IT CAN ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED BY OTHERS, AND I WON'T REPEAT IT, BUT I THINK THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE. WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT. WE'RE NOT MEETING IN SECRET. WE'RE NOT PREVENTING THE INFORMATION FROM GETTING OUT THERE. INFORMATION'S GETTING OUT THERE. PEOPLE ARE TRANSCRIBING IT. THEY'RE DOCUMENTING IT, DOCUMENTING IT. SORRY. THEY'RE PUTTING IT OUT ON THE INTERNET. SO THE INFORMATION'S OUT THERE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE SHARE THEY'RE SHARING THE THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS HONESTLY AND RESPECTFULLY IN AN OPEN WAY WITHOUT SECRETS, WHICH IS WHAT TRANSPARENCY IS. AND I FIRMLY DO BELIEVE WE ARE ACTING IN A VERY, VERY TRANSPARENT FASHION. AND SO I, I JUST, I THINK THE, THE, TO ME, THE OVERARCHING ISSUE THAT I WANT TO, I'LL, I'LL END ON IS THE COMMISSIONERS THEMSELVES HAVE ASKED, PLEASE DON'T DO THIS TO US. AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK, TO ME THAT'S COMPELLING. THANK YOU [03:25:01] VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, KEN. I'LL I'LL ADD ONE THING THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. UM, WHAT WOULD WE DO IF SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAID, I'M THROUGH, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT. I MEAN, HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT AS A COUNCIL? 'CAUSE I THINK POTENTIALLY IF I HEAR, JUST LIKE I HEARD THIS THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT WE WEREN'T BEING TRANSPARENT. I'M HEARING THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE, SOME OF 'EM MAY SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE. AND I, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE EXCHANGING IDEAS. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE, LIKE THEY ARE DISCUSSING IN THEIR MEETING. AND I MIGHT COME UP WITH A POINT, OR YOU COME UP WITH A POINT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING 'CAUSE I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I LIKE YOUR WAY BETTER. AND THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT ROOM. THEY ARE TRULY EXCHANGING THOUGHTS AND IDEAS. UM, THEY DIDN'T SEE IT THAT WAY OR UNDERSTAND THE BIG PICTURE AND THEY BACK OFF OF WHAT THEY SAID. BUT THEIR INITIAL STATEMENT, WHEN IT GOES VIRAL, THEN THEY'RE STUCK WITH THAT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE ALREADY CHANGED THEIR MIND. SO I, I HAVE CONCERN WITH THAT. THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER THING. OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE FILMED EVERY MONDAY NIGHT AND GREG SEWELL GAVE US THIS NUMBER. I, WE ASKED FOR THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF VIEWERS FOR A CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS 34 ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. 34. ONE THIRD OF THOSE ARE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT LOG INTO IT. AND THAT'S BASED ON THE IP ADDRESSES THAT DON'T CHANGE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 2021 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CITIZENS THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY EMPLOYED BY THIS, BY THE CITY IS ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT. OUT OF 120,000 PEOPLE WHO'S GONNA REALLY LOOK AT IT. AND THE ONES THAT WANNA LOOK AT IT, I REALLY BELIEVE ARE ALREADY GOING TO THOSE MEETINGS OR THEY'RE ALREADY FILMING THEM AND EVERYTHING. I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG TIME, WRONG PLACE. AND YES, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT FROM THE GET GO IF WE WERE GONNA DO IT TO BE TRANSPARENT. BUT I THINK THE SYSTEM ALLOWS US TO TRULY BE TRANSPARENT. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA SHARE EVERY THOUGHT THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US AND IT'S GONNA BE FILMED. SO ANYWAY, MR. BARRIOS, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, THOSE WERE SOME SHOCKING NUMBERS YOU JUST SHARED. DO WE HAPPEN TO HAVE THE NUMBERS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO AFTER THE FACT? OR THAT'S JUST THE LIVE RIGHT? NO, IT DOESN'T. IT IS THE IP ADDRESS. SO IT'S THE SAME. THEY COULD CLICK IT ON, GO GET A SNACK, CLICK IT BACK ON, I MEAN LIKE TUESDAY MORNING OR WEDNESDAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S ALL ROLLED TOGETHER. IS THAT, YEAH, IF I CAN ADD, I I I'LL JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. SO, SO, UH, MAYORS WRIGHT THO THOSE, UH, THAT WAS A SNAPSHOT. THAT WAS FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY, 2025. UH, WE, WE PULLED AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD. THERE WERE AN AVERAGE OF 34 UNIQUE USERS, UH, FOR EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. UNIQUE USERS, UH, ARE, UM, IDENTIFIED BY THE IP. SO THAT INCLUDES BOTH LIVE BROADCAST AND, UM, ONCE THE BROAD, ONCE THE BROADCAST IS PLACED ONLINE. UM, NOW THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOW MANY CLICKS YOU GET BECAUSE LIKE MYSELF, I USUALLY WILL GO BACK AND WATCH THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE THINGS SOMETIMES. SURE. SO THAT'S FIVE CLICKS. BUT I'M A UNIQUE USER AND SO MAYOR, MAYOR DEVY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE AVERAGE FOR JANUARY OF 2025 WAS 34, UH, FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS. UH, 34 UNIQUE USERS. WOW. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING AND EXPLAINING THAT. YEP. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M IN THE MINORITY FOR THINKING WE SHOULD DO THIS. UH, WITH THAT SAID, IF THE DIRECTION IS TO KEEP AS IS, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, UM, THAT MEETING COULD NOT BE HELD IN HERE IN A SIMILAR FORMAT OF PUTTING A FEW TABLES TOGETHER AND KIND OF CREATING THAT ROUND OR IN THE FRONT ROOM, WHICH WE WERE AT TODAY FOR THE BALLAD DRAWING? UM, THE FRONT ROOM I THINK WOULD BE VERY TIGHT. OKAY. UM, IF YOU TAKE THE 11 IS 11, 11 COMMISSION MEMBERS, SIX SIZE TABLE. UH, WELL IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME SIZE ROOM. I MEAN, LET ME, IF WE'VE GOT 11 COMMISSION MEMBERS, YOU HAVE, UM, CITY STAFF PLUS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WHERE IT WOULD GET TIGHT IS FOR THE VISITORS. UH, 'CAUSE EVEN IF YOU COULD FIT OFF OF THOSE PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE, YOU, WE WERE IN THERE TODAY. THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM FOR A ROW OF CHAIRS ALONG THE WALL. I'M JUST TRYING TO, I MEAN, COULD WE DO IT? WE COULD DO IT, BUT I, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE VERY TIGHT. UM, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE, AND I DIDN'T BRING THIS UP UNTIL YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. THE CHALLENGE [03:30:01] IN HAVING IT IN HERE IS WE HAVE FOUR OF THE REMAINING SIX NIGHTS WE HAVE CONFLICTS. AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME OF THE CONFLICTS THIS THURSDAY FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST, UH, UH, NOW COMING ON THE RADAR. WE HAVE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, UH, PROMOTIONS AND OATH CEREMONY THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR THIS ROOM ON THE 27TH OF MARCH. WE HAVE THE RICHARDSON REEDS ONE BOOK KICKOFF SCHEDULED IN THIS ROOM. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO HR HIRING EVENTS ON THE 17TH OF APRIL AND THE MAY OF 15TH. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, YOU, SINCE YOU ASKED SPECIFICALLY, CAN, COULD THEY JUST HIRE, I MEAN, HOLD IT IN HERE? THEY COULD AND WE COULD FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE TWO FIRST TWO ARE PROBABLY MORE PROBLEMATIC. THE RICHARDSON READS ONE BOOK. WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO TAKE THAT OFFSITE IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT IN THIS ROOM, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS SIZE FACILITY IN THE LIBRARY ANY LONGER AS THEY'RE IN THEIR TEMPORARY SPACE. I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT. THE, THE ROOM IT'S HELD IN, HELP ME UNDERSTAND. I KNOW LIKE HERE, WHEN THEY COME TO VIEW THESE MEETINGS, THE FRONT DOOR IS OPEN MM-HMM . AND THEN THERE'S THAT MIDDLE DOOR THAT'S NORMALLY A KEY DOOR DURING THE OFFICE HOURS, BUT THAT'S OPEN AND THERE'S USUALLY AN OFFICER MM-HMM . STATION OUT THERE KIND OF GUIDING MM-HMM . IS THAT SIMILAR? IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? HELP ME KIND OF WALK THROUGH IF I'M A RESIDENT WALKING IN, WHAT HAPPENS? LIKE YOU'LL, HOW DO I GET TO THE BACK? 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A HARD ROOM TO FIND. SURE. YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE GREETED BY STAFF OR THE, OR THE OFFICER THAT'S ON DUTY AND THEY'LL WALK, WE WALK, THEY WALK BACK WITH, UH, WITH THEM. OKAY. SO THERE'S AN OFFICER, ONE OFFICER HERE. I KNOW, UH, WE HAVE ONE OFFICER HERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE STAFF. SOMETIMES AMY WILL HAVE, UH, HER CITY SECRETARY STAFF WILL HELP UNTIL THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THE NIGHT YOU DON'T EXPECT ANY NEW VISITORS. BUT, BUT THE OFFICER'S ALWAYS WALKING BY. OUR CITY STAFF MAY ONLY BE THERE AT THE, THE START OF THE MEETING OR JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING. UH, OR AMY OR MYSELF OR WHOEVER'S AROUND WILL BE WALKING AROUND. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. I, I MEAN, I, I STILL THINK WE SHOULD RECORD 'EM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE, I WAS THINKING MAYBE A WORK AROUND THERE BEING THAT I'M IN THE MINORITY THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I I, WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE FRONT ROOM. I DO THINK IT WOULD BE VERY TIGHT. I THINK THE, I THINK THE VISITOR ROW, WE COULD FIT EVERYBODY AROUND THE TABLE. THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF ROOM ON EITHER SIDE. YEAH. FOR A ROW OF SEATS. UM, AND JUST TRYING TO THINK OF BOTH THE VISITORS' COMFORT AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONER'S COMFORT. AND NOW I'M THINKING BACK, I YES, I REMEMBER THE BACK ROOMS. REMEMBER IN THAT ROOM THERE IS THAT USUALLY ROW OF SEATS AND YEAH. OKAY. NOW I'M, I'M THINKING A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY THAT YOU SAID THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DEAR MAYOR PRO TIM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, I MEAN, IF SOME OF THE COMMISSIONER HAS SAID AND EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN ABOUT RECORDING, THAT'S, THAT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG, BIG, BIG RED FLAG FOR THAT. BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK WE STILL, WE COULD PROBABLY WORK AROUND, MAKE ROOM FOR OTHER THINGS, BUT ALSO THOSE, GETTING THIS ROOM ALSO LOOKS LIKE AN ISSUE. BUT IN ALSO THE FRONT CONFERENCE ROOM THAT'S ABSOLUTELY VERY TIGHT AND YOU, YOU DON'T, I THINK IT'S BETTER WHERE YOU HAVE LITTLE ROOM TO BREATHE AND THEN THINK. SO IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, THE PLACE THAT WE SIT THAT'S REALLY VERY TIGHT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY A PLACE ENVIRONMENT TO DISCUSS, UH, WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONE ROOM. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I STRONGLY SUPPORT RECORDING, YOU KNOW, EVERY MEETING. BUT YOU KNOW, PRACTICALLY, YOU HAVE TO BE PRACTICAL WHAT IT IS. AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THAT WE ARE TRANSPARENT. AND THE ONLY QUESTION IS HOW, WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENT AGAIN? UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE ARE STILL LIKE, I WOULD SAY THE, OUR TRANSPARENCIES TRANSPARENCY IS VERY HIGH. BUT HOW PEOPLE CAN GET IT AND CLICK IT, THAT'S THE QUESTION. BUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT THIS, UH, INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PROTE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE NOT STOPPING RECORDING FROM, UH, SOMEONE ELSE COMING FROM OUTSIDE. SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE ALSO LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO PROTECT THE COMMISSIONERS, WHAT THEY SAY, WHAT THEY DO, UH, NOT TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE VIDEO AND CUT AND PASTE AND CLIP, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT OF CONTEXT, UH, PORTION. I'M NOT EXPECTING SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. I DON'T SEE THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING EVERYONE, I DON'T THINK EVERYONE HAS THE SAME GOOD INTENTION, BUT DOWN THE ROAD, THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE. SO I THINK WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE OPTION, HOW TO PROTECT ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND, UH, BOARD MEMBERS. UH, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK, UM, UH, TO PROTECT EVERYONE. OTHERWISE, THIS COULD BE AN ISSUE SOME OTHER WAY. TRANSPARENCY GOES BOTH WAY. UH, TRANSPARENCY IS FROM US. TRANSPARENCY FROM OUR SIDE. UH, AS OF TODAY, STILL SOMEONE CAN MISQUOTE WHAT SOMEONE SAY. SO THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENCY. [03:35:01] UH, IT'S BREAKING TRANSPARENCY BY SOMEBODY ELSE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT WORKS BOTH WAY. SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO HAVE TO DISCUSS A LOT MORE. AND, UH, THE STAFF UNION, MR. DON NER, YOU NEED TO THINK THIS THING A LITTLE MORE. HOW WE CAN DO THAT. UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND TONS. SOMETIMES IT SOUNDS VERY HIGH, BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE FUTURE THAT COULD COST, THAT COULD COST MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND. SO A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS NOT A BIG DEAL IF WITH EMERGENCY. UH, SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT EVERYONE FROM ANY SITUATION. THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE BUY A BATTERY OR FOR HOME DEPOT $3, BUT IF IT IS FOR YOUR PACEMAKER, THAT BATTERY COSTS A LOT MORE THAN THAT. SO IT'S LIKE THE RISK, HOW MUCH RISK YOU TAKE. ANYWAY. SO THOSE ARE LONG TERM THINGS THAT WE NEED TO THINK. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT MY OPINION ON THIS. THANK YOU. NO, MR. CORKER. MR. MAYOR, GIVEN THAT ONLY, UH, THREE OUT OF THE SEVEN OF US, YOU KNOW, ARE LEANING TOWARDS, LEANING TOWARDS FILMING, I MEAN, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA? DO WE JUST MAKE AN X? WELL, I'M GONNA, I ASK FOR A MOTION, UM, IF SOMEONE'S WANTING TO MAKE A MOTION. SURE. MS. JUSTICE. YEAH, I, I'M, I MOVED TO, TO LEAVE THINGS AS THEY ARE WITH RESPECT TO THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF FOR FUTURE CHARTER COMMISSIONS, UM, TO MAKE THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION BEFORE ESTABLISHING THE COMMISSION SO THAT EVERYBODY GOES INTO IT EYES WIDE OPEN ABOUT WHAT, UH, THE EXPECTATIONS WILL BE. ALRIGHT. GOT A MOTION. MR. HUTCH, WRITER SECOND. THAT MOTION GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION RAISE HANDS. ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES FOUR. ALL OPPOSED? WE GOT THREE OPPOSED. OKAY. THANK Y'ALL FOR LISTENING AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS. AND I THINK, UM, WE DISCUSSED THAT REALLY WELL. SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHTY. [10. CONSENT AGENDA] THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA GO FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. HUTCHIN RIDER. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS FILED. MS. JUSTICE. SECOND ALL. I GOT A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL [11. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] RIGHTY. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 11, REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. MR. BARRIOS, MAYOR. LAST TUESDAY I HAD THE HONOR OF SPEAKING, UH, CLUB SCOUT PAC 8 93 OVER AT ARAPAHOE UMC. AND, UH, I WILL SAY, UM, THE FUTURE'S IN GOOD HANDS. THEY ASK SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS. , I THINK I, SOME OF THOSE 10 YEAR OLDS ASK TOUGHER QUESTIONS THAN, UH, SOME OF THE VOTERS I'VE MET OVER THE OVER THE YEARS. UH, IT WAS A GREAT GROUP AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE 'EM A SHOUT OUT FOR THE GREAT WORK THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE. UH, LAST WEDNESDAY, I'M THE LIAISON TO THE LIBRARY BOARD COMMISSION. UM, IT WAS ANNOUNCED, AND I KNOW, UH, CITY MANAGER ANNOUNCED IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL. BUT THE, UH, RICHARDSON PUBLIC LIBRARY WAS HONORED WITH THE 2024 ACHIEVEMENT OF LIBRARY EXCELLENCE BY THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LIBRARY DIRECTORS ASSOCIATION. SO A BIG SHOUT OUT TO, UH, JENNY DAVIDSON AND HER ENTIRE STAFF. I CONTINUE TO BE AMAZED BY THE WORK THEY DO. UH, I'M, I AM, I HAVE SO MUCH FUN LISTENING AND GETTING A CHANCE TO BE A PART OF THAT GROUP. UM, AND, UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM. THEY DO SOME AMAZING WORK AT THE LIBRARY, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. DORIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, WE HAD THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO DO A MEET AND GREET WITH OUR NEW PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE CHAMBER, JULIE SNYDER. SO WE WANNA WELCOME HER TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK SHE'S GONNA DO AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB, AND SHE'S SUPER EXCITED AND SHE FITS, SHE FIT RIGHT INTO OUR, OUR FAMILY FAMILY OF, UM, OF, OF RESIDENCE. UM, ALSO, UH, THE MAYOR, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN CHU AND MYSELF, WE WENT TO THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION, UH, THE FIFTH ANNUAL INCLUSION SUMMIT IN HEARST LAST WEEK. THAT WAS INVALUABLE. UH, VERY, THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB, UH, DO OUR, OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. MAGNER ACTUALLY, UH, PERFORMED ON STAGE FOR HE SPOKE. HE SPOKE. HE SPOKE, SPOKE. HE SPOKE. SO ENCORE UHHUH, ENCORE. ANYWAY, IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A VERY NICE, UH, UP OUT SOUTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ROGER. RE UH, MAYOR, JUST JUMP ONTO WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN SAID. UM, WE, WE GREETED AND WELCOMED OUR, THE, THE JULIE SNYDER, AND THEN THE VERY NEXT NIGHT SHE DESTROYED HER OWN BUIL BUILDING , BECAUSE, HAD TO PUT IT THAT WAY, UM, BECAUSE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAD THEIR SMASH PARTY, WHICH IS THE START OF THEIR REMODEL, OF THEIR NEW SPACE. AND I THINK ANY OF US WHO'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE NEW SPACE, THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A, A REAL, REAL POSITIVE, UM, RIGHT ACROSS FROM CITY HALL AND, AND, UM, UH, THE, THE, UM, RENOVATED [03:40:01] NEW CITY HALL AND RENOVATED LIBRARY. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S EVER BEEN A CEO WHO STARTED A JOB ONE DAY AND THEN DESTROYED THEIR OFFICE THE NEXT, THAT THAT COULD BE A WORLD RECORD. WE MAY WANNA, WE MAY, MAY WANNA HAVE GREG RESEARCH THAT, BUT ANYWAY, WELCOME JULIE. DOES IT COUNT IF DON BURNED HIS DOWN ? NO. MULTIPLE WAYS. A SKIN CAT? TECHNICALLY, I COULDN'T RESIST MR. SHAUL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, JU THE ENERGY THAT I SEE FROM, UH, JULIA SNYDER, I THINK WE'RE EXPECTING REALLY, REALLY A GOOD FOR, GOOD THING TO HAPPEN. THAT MEANS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS GOOD, BREAKING DOWN THE WHOLE BUILDING AND BRINGING A NEW ONE. SO PROBABLY THAT WILL BRING SO MANY OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND HERE. UH, AND, AND I WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK THAT WE WENT TO THE NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION INCLUSION SUMMIT, UH, YOU KNOW, I ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, ENJOYED LISTENING FROM DON. UH, HE DID. IT'S NOT PERFORMANCE, IT'S LIKE, IT'S A NATURAL THING. THAT INFORMATION THAT HE SHARED WITH THE LARGER COMMUNITY THAT SHOWS THE LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE, UH, HERE IN ION AND THE RESPECT THAT HE GOT FROM, UH, ALL OTHER CITIES AROUND THE METROPLEX. AND IT WAS IN HEARST ALL THE WAY FROM HERE TO PASSING RV LES BEDFORD, THEN HEARST. SO, UH, THAT WAS A LONG, LONG DRIVE, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE. UM, AND THEN WHAT ELSE WE HAD YESTERDAY, WE ATTENDED CHERYL PARK FAIRWAY'S, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION YEAR MEETING, AND THEY MET PARTIAL, YOU KNOW, IN PERSON THIS TIME. AND, UH, THE PRESENTATION THEY HAD, IT WAS VERY DETAILED. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED, UH, ESPECIALLY THE FINANCE REPORT THAT THEY HAD. THEY WENT LINE BY LINE. AND, UH, THAT WAS REALLY VERY GOOD TRANSPARENT FINANCE REPORT THAT I'VE SEEN YESTERDAY THERE. AND, UH, AND WHAT ELSE? I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. THAT'S, I THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. JUSTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE SEASON OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOA MEETINGS. UM, I ATTENDED THE YALE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING. UM, THE PRESIDENT IS OUR VERY OWN CPC COMMISSIONER, BRIAN PURDY, UH, BYRON PURDY. AND HE'S, UH, DOING A GREAT JOB OVER THERE. THEY'RE TRYING TO SORT OF RESURRECT THE YALE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND HE'S DOING A FANTASTIC JOB OF, OF TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, SINCE THAT MEETING, I'VE HAD SEVERAL FOLKS REACH OUT TO ME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M CONNECTING THEM WITH CITY STAFF. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GREAT ENERGY HAPPENING IN YALE PARK RIGHT NOW. SO I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT. AND THEN ALSO THE FAIRWAYS OF CHERYL PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, TRACY, THEIR PRESIDENT, UM, IS ONE OF THE 21 OR SO THAT ACTUALLY WATCHES OUR MEETINGS. . SO SHOUT OUT TO TRACY BECAUSE SHE'S EITHER WATCHING IT NOW OR WE'LL WATCH IT IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. UM, SHE WATCHES EVERY SINGLE MEETING AND PAYS ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND, UM, TO, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN CHU'S POINT, UH, IT WAS VERY ORGANIZED AND, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF FELT A LITTLE BIT LIKE A COUNCIL MEETING, THE WAY THAT SHE IS SORT OF STRUCTURED IT. UM, AND SO SHOUT OUT TO THEM. THEY DID A, A FANTASTIC JOB WITH HER ANNUAL MEETING, MR. CORCORAN. OH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, WE HAD THE PARKS COMMISSION MEETING ON TUESDAY EVENING. UH, THEY REALLY TACKLED TWO, TWO BIG TOPICS THERE. ONE, THEY BEGAN THE PROCESS FOR PRIORITIZING THEIR BUDGET LETTER TO US, WHICH, UM, THEY PUT MONTHS AND MONTHS OF WORK INTO. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY A, A CHALLENGING THING WHEN A LOT OF THE MONEY IS COMING FROM VARIOUS DEBT SOURCES WHEN A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN SORT OF BILLED FOR FUTURE PROJECTS ALREADY. AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS OUT THERE. SO REALLY, UM, REALLY BIG JOB ON THEM TO, TO PRIORITIZE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THEY, UH, BEGAN THE PROCESS OF REPORTING ON DROP-INS AT CITY FACILITIES. SO THEY SORT OF ACT AS OUR SECRET SHOPPERS. UM, CLOSE YOUR EARS, ANYONE FOR THE CITY THAT'S LISTENING TO THE MEETING. UH, BUT THEY, THEY REPORTED ON SOME OF THOSE AND, AND CAME BACK WITH SOME REALLY DETAILED AND GOOD SUGGESTIONS. AND SO IT WAS, IT WAS NICE TO HEAR THAT. THANK YOU, JOE. I'M GONNA THROW OUT ONE. THIS PAST SATURDAY WE DID A SOFT OPENING AT CHERYL PARK FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND GOT UP EARLY THAT MORNING AND WENT OUT TO, IT WAS FOGGY AND HAZY, AND I THINK THE FIRST TEE TIME WAS LIKE 6 21 OR SOMETHING SILLY, AND THEY WERE TEEING OFF. UM, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT WAS TEEING OFF FIRST WAS AN 88-YEAR-OLD GENTLEMAN, AND HE WALKED THE WHOLE COURSE AND HE WAS QUITE THE GUY. AND, UM, I DID A LITTLE TOUR, UH, OUR OWN PRO, RONNIE GLANTON, EVERYONE'S HERO. HE, UM, TOOK TIME OUT TO GET ME IN THE CART AND WE RODE AROUND A LITTLE BIT TO CHECK OUT THE, THE NEW FACILITY. AND IT IS AWESOME. WE WALKED UP ON THE GREEN AND THE GREENS ARE JUST PRISTINE. WHEN YOU WATCHED THREE GOLFERS PUTT AND [03:45:01] THE BALL NEVER WIGGLED, NEVER, UH, HOPPED, NEVER SKIPPED. I MEAN, IT WAS TRUE ON THAT ENTIRE SURFACE, WHICH IS REALLY JUST AMAZING. UM, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT. SO UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE HAVING TO COVER ALL THE GREENS AGAIN TOMORROW BECAUSE WE GOT ANOTHER FREEZING, YOU KNOW, WEATHER STUFF COMING IN. BUT IT IS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S REALLY CLEAN LOOKING. THEY'VE, THEY CLEARED OUT TREES. THE, UM, UM, THE FLOOD ZONES ARE, HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED. THE, UM, IRRIGATION. IT'S JUST EVERYTHING IS FABULOUS. IT'S GOT BRAND NEW RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY NEAT DEAL. SO WHAT WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE, AS BAD AS THE WEATHER WAS, AND IT WAS A LITTLE CHILLY THAT MORNING ON SATURDAY, THEY HAD 420 GOLFERS. WOW, THAT'S A LOT. I MEAN, AND PEOPLE WERE SO EXCITED TO GET THERE. SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE SNOW, THE RAIN, THE SLEET AND THE FLOODING, WE HAD THAT DELAYED IT, IT WAS QUITE IMPRESSIVE WHEN THEY FINALLY GOT TO GO DO IT. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CEREMONY IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE AND RECOGNIZE IT, AND THAT'LL BE FANTASTIC. BUT THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A REALLY A NEAT DEAL. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO RONNIE AND HIS STAFF AND EVERYBODY OUT THERE. KEN, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK HELPING THAT DON, MR. MAGNER, YOUR ENTIRE TEAM. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. SO WITH THAT, WE ARE GONNA CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS. IT IS 9:46 PM THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.