* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.
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          MARCH 18TH, 2025, MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARDSON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES ON THE COMMISSION. 
          ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS. 
          UM, TONIGHT WE'VE ONLY GOT FIVE COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE, SO EVERYBODY WILL BE VOTING. 
          UH, THIS MEETING IS A BUSINESS MEETING. 
          IT WILL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH IN THAT REGARD. 
          UM, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'VE TURNED OFF YOUR, UH, CELL PHONES SO THEY DON'T EMIT ANY SOUND OR INTERRUPT THE MEETING. 
          OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED, SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, TONIGHT WE'VE GOT, UM, THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UH, EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST. 
          THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEY MAY RESERVE ANY PORTION OF THAT TIME FOR A FINAL REBUTTAL. 
          TIME SPENT IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS, UH, ASKED BY THE COMMISSION IS NOT ACCOUNTED AGAINST THE APPLICANT'S TIME. 
          THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST WILL ALSO WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES EACH. 
          TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE. 
          WE SUGGEST THAT YOU, UH, SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR, UH, OBJECTIONS. 
          THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN GATHERING NEW AND RELEVANT INFORMATION, AND WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN REPETITION. 
          PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. 
          AFTER A BRIEF REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT, THE HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. 
          NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          SO WE'LL GET ON WITH, UH, OUR MEETING. 
          AND, UM, 
          [1. Approval of minutes of the regular business meetings of March 4, 2025.]
FIRST ITEM IS, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF, UH, OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF MARCH 4TH, 2025. 
          I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED. 
          COMMISSIONER BONAC, I'LL SECOND. 
          I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          UH, ITEM 
          [2. Zoning File 25-03 Special Permit Amendment – Chick Fil A: Consider and act on a request to amend a Special Permit for an existing restaurant with drive-through service for the properties at 106 and 110 W. Campbell Road to accommodate the expansion of the drive-through lanes. Owners: PWE Campbell 75 LLC and Francia Investments. Staff: Derica Peters.]
NUMBER TWO IS OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THIS IS ZONING FILE. 
          25 DASH OH THREE IS A SPECIAL PERMIT AMENDMENT FOR CHICK-FIL-A. 
          AND MS. PETERS OR ANDREW? YES. 
          DEREK PETERS IS ON A PRESCHEDULED VACATION, SO UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S NOT ABLE TO PRESENT THE FIRST TWO ITEMS. JUST MAKE SURE YOU GOT MIKE ON. 
          YES. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, DEREK PETERS IS ON A PRESCHEDULED VACATION, SO I'LL BE PRESENTING THESE FIRST TWO ITEMS AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE, THE OTHER ITEM THAT, UM, THAT I'M HANDLING. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS, UM, A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST. 
          UM, IT'S A, UM, REQUEST FOR A NEW SPECIAL PERMIT TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ONE FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A LOCATED AT 1 0 6 AND ONE 10 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD. 
          UM, SO THE CHICK-FIL-A IS ACTUALLY LOCATED AT 1 0 6 WEST CAMPBELL, UM, LOCATED RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSION, UM, OF THE, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO THE DRIVE THROUGH, THEY'RE NEEDING TO GO INTO A LITTLE SLIVER OF LAND THAT'S LOCATED ON, UH, ONE 10 WEST CAMPBELL. 
          UM, SO THEY'LL EVENTUALLY NEED TO FOLLOW UP, UM, WITH THE RELA OF APPROVED. 
          UM, SO THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UH, CAMPBELL, WEST CAMPBELL ROAD, UM, A LITTLE BIT WEST OF ALAMO ROAD AND THEN SOUTH OF COLLINS BOULEVARD ON THE PROPERTY. 
          PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL CM, UM, AND WITH A, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT. 
          UM, AND THE REQUEST IS FOR A NEW SPECIAL PERMIT TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ONE, UM, FOR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. 
          UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN HAS IDENTIFIED THIS PROPERTY IS BEING LOCATED IN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, UM, PLACE TYPE. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS, UM, THAT WERE TAKEN. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST FACADE FROM CAMPBELL ROAD. 
          UM, THIS IS THE, UM, WEST FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THIS IS WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, LANES EXIT. 
          UM, THIS IS THE EAST FACADE OF THE BUILDING, UM, AS YOU'RE LOOKING GENERALLY FROM THE AREA OF, UH, ALAMO ROAD, AND THEN THIS IS THE NORTH FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, SO THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, UM, IS SHOWN HERE. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT CHA MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THE ONLY THING THAT THEY'RE DOING REALLY IS THEY'RE EXPANDING THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEEDING TO, UM, RELOCATE, UM, SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES LOCATED HERE, AND THEY WILL RELOCATE THEM HERE. 
          SO THEY'RE MAINTAINING THEIR EXISTING PARKING THAT THEY ARE, UM, ALLOWED, WHICH IS 40 PARKING SPACES. 
          UM, SO THEY WILL NOT BE, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY REDUCTION AND PARKING FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE ALREADY EXCEEDING THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, UM, THIS IS THE, UH, 
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PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN THAT BETTER ILLUSTRATES WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE. 
          SO THEY'RE BASICALLY TAKING IT FROM, UH, TWO LANES GOING INTO ONE, UM, FROM THREE LANES, UM, GOING INTO TWO. 
          UM, AND THIS WILL HELP TO ACCOMMODATE A MOBILE THROUGH ORDER ONLY LANE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN RED. 
          AND THEN THESE PURPLE LANES WILL BOTH BE DRIVE THROUGH LANES FOR, UM, CUSTOMERS TO MAKE ORDERS AT THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, STACKING, UM, I BELIEVE IS 27, UH, SPACES. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING, UM, THE AMOUNT OF STACKING THAT'S AVAILABLE CURRENTLY. 
          UM, THE DRIVE THROUGH ONLY ACCOMMODATE 16 STACKED VEHICLES IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, AND SO THEY'RE GOING UP TO 27. 
          THIS WILL HELP TO BETTER MANAGE THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UM, AND, UH, CONFINE MOST OF THE STACK DRIVE THROUGH CARS WITHIN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES, UM, AND REDUCE THE OVERFLOW INTO THE PARKING THAT IS CURRENTLY OCCURRING. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS, UH, THIS MAP, UH, SHOWS THE MOBILE ORDERS ON THE LEFT AND THEN THE DRIVE THROUGH ON THE TWO RIGHT LANES, UM, MERGING FROM THREE INTO TWO LANES. 
          SO TO CONCLUDE, UM, SHOULD THE CPC RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UM, AS PRESENTED, THE MOTIONS SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UM, THAT A SPECIAL PERMIT SHALL BE GRANTED TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE, WHICH WILL BE LIMITED THE AREA SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          AND, UM, NO OTHER COMPANY MAY OPERATE, UM, OTHER THAN CHICK-FIL-A. 
          UH, THE SPECIAL PERMIT AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATES UPON CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR OPERATOR. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, THE SPECIAL PERMITS STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE TIME OR OPERATION RESTRICTIONS AS SPECIFIED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          AND FINALLY, THE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UH, ATTACHED CONCEPT PLAN AND THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, UM, AS ATTACHED AND IS, UM, FOUND IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES SAP'S PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE FOR, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO, UM, PRETTY GOOD JOB,  WELL, BEFORE SHE COMES UP, UH, MAYBE JUST SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, ADDING THE EXTRA LANE, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA REQUIRE REPL. 
          YES. 
          IT'LL EVENTUALLY REQUIRE REPLAY BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO ACQUIRE SOME, UH, LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, LOCATED, UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY EXPANDING INTO THE MEDIAN LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND THAT THAT MEDIAN IS SPLIT BETWEEN CHICK-FIL-A AND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO ACQUIRE A, A SMALL SLIVER LAND, I WANNA SAY IT'S ABOUT FIVE TO SIX FEET WIDE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, AS FAR AS, UM, THE REDUCTION IN THE, IN THE LANDSCAPE BURN OR ISLAND BETWEEN THE NORTH PROPERTY AND THE NEW, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? STAFF'S OKAY WITH THAT AT THREE FEET WIDE? I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'RE NEEDING TO, UH, I THINK TAKE OUT THE EXISTING SHRUBS THAT ARE THERE, BUT I BELIEVE THE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'LL BE REPLACING IT, UM, WITH SOME, SOME SHRUBS AS THEY'RE ABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF LIKE, LIKE I'M THINKING LIKE A PICKUP TRUCK OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BACK INTO A PARKING SPOT. 
          I MEAN, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE TYPICALLY, ARE WE CONCERNED AT ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A TAILGATE BLOCKING OR BEING IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE? UM, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OF, OF A, OF A BUFFER THERE BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE PARKING SPACE AND THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, UH, TO AVOID THAT ISSUE. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S STILL ABOUT THREE FEET. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, CURRENTLY THE, UH, BYPASS LANE IS NOT OPERATIONAL. 
          I MEAN, I, I KNOW IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE REPORT, LIKE THERE WAS A BYPASS LANE THERE TODAY, BUT LOOKING AT IT, IT'S DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE WIDE ENOUGH OR EVEN CAN BE USED OR ACCESSED AT ALL, RIGHT. 
          WHERE THE, WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE TODAY. 
          SO LITERALLY WHEN YOU COME IN FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOCKED INTO GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, RIGHT? THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S EVEN NO EXIT OUT OF THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU ENTER FROM THAT AREA, YOU'RE MORE OR LESS FORCED IN THERE. 
          SO THAT'LL STILL BE THE CASE, YES. 
          BUT THERE THERE'LL AT LEAST BE A SECOND LANE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH OPERATORS CAN MANAGE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          AND SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT NEEDS TO GET OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT BARRIER. 
          MAYBE THEY HAVE MOVABLE BARRIERS THERE ON THE KIND OF WHERE IT SAYS NEW IN RED THERE, THAT'S KINDA WHERE THAT AREA IS BLOCKED OFF. 
          UM, 
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SO ANYONE ENTERING FROM THE NORTHEAST CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT GO THROUGH THOSE LANES AS WAY IT APPEARS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO, TO GO THROUGH AND THEN AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY YOU COULD GO INTO THE, THE, THE RIGHT LANE TO, UM, TO EXIT, BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF THE ORDERS ARE GONNA BE PICKED UP FROM THIS INTERNAL LANE. 
          AND SO THE SECOND LANE, UM, WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AVAILABLE TO SEND PEOPLE THROUGH IF THEY NEED TO GET OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE JUST, UH, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION THROUGH THIS AREA, I MEAN, THERE WASN'T ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC STUDY DONE, CORRECT? NO ONE WAS NOT, UM, REQUIRED WITH THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DIDN'T FIND THAT ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WOULD BE GENERATED. 
          UM, IT'S MORE OR LESS THEY'RE BETTER MANAGING THE EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSION? I MEAN, COMMISSIONERS HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BEFORE WE BRING ON THE APPLICANT. 
          ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE READY FOR YOU. 
          AND IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS GABRIELA MOSQUERA. 
          I'M HERE REPRESENTING CHICK-FIL-A. 
          UM, I WORK FOR THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT'S DOING THE PLANS . 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, ANDREW DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB EXPLAINING EVERYTHING OR TURNING THE EXISTING TWO TO ONE, UM, INTO A THREE TWO, AND THAT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, UM, EXPEDITE THE ORDERING PROCESS. 
          DURING PEAK HOURS, THERE'S GONNA BE EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE WITH TABLETS TAKING ORDERS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HELP HAVE A MORE EFFICIENT OPERATION. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA OF HAVING THESE DONE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH, COULD YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? OH, YEAH, SORRY. 
          UM, TWO 20 EAST CENTRAL PARKWAY, ALTAMONT SPRINGS, FLORIDA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S WITH YOU? DID YOU WANNA MAKE ANY REMARKS AS APPLICANT? UM, THIS IS MY COLLEAGUE ROXANNE ALVARDO. 
          SHE IS THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT ALSO HERE FOR SUPPORT. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AGAIN, UH, THERE WILL BE NO BYPASS LANE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT, UM, MY QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU ENTER THIS AREA, YOU'RE MORE OR LESS STUCK GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          IS THERE A WAY OUT FOR SOMEBODY THAT WENT IN THERE BY MISTAKE? THERE WOULDN'T BE, THE OPERATOR WOULD HAVE TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC TO HELP WHOEVER WANTS TO LEAVE THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE MOVABLE BARRIERS OR BOLLARDS OR SOMETHING THERE? UM, CORRECT. 
          IN THAT SOUTH PARKING LOT? NO, THERE ISN'T CURRENTLY. 
          BUT DRUGS, DO YOU KNOW IF, NO, I DON'T, DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          , ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF? ALL RIGHT, WELL THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD IN, IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE THAT I'D MOVE, BUT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND. 
          GOT A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          I PASS IT UNANIMOUSLY. 
          UM, I, I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT SOMEBODY MOVING IN, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN THERE BY MISTAKE. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THE ONLY WAY REALLY OUT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO, YOU COULD, UH, PULL INTO A PARKING SPOT ON THE EAST END AND BACK UP AND GO BACK OUT, UH, THROUGH THAT, THE NORTHEAST SORT OF ENTRY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, AT A RUSH HOUR THAT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MANEUVER. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, YOU CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE OPERATOR. 
          AND, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND GETTING PEOPLE THROUGH THEIR, UH, ADDITIONAL QUEUING. 
          YEAH, WE'LL BRING THAT CONCERN TO THE CLIENT AND, UH, I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN TO A CHICK-FIL-A, YOU SEE HOW EFFICIENT THEY ARE MOVING PEOPLE PRETTY FAST OUT OF THAT DRIVE THROUGH. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY BY MISTAKE GETS STUCK IN THERE, I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE IN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH THREE AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          UH, AFTER TO APPROVE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES 
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UNANIMOUSLY. 
          ALL 
          [3. Zoning File 25-04 PD Planned Development Amendment – Amazon Prime Air: Consider and act on a request to amend a PD Planned Development on 33.36 acres located at 3051 Research Drive, at the southeast corner of Shiloh Road and Breckinridge Boulevard currently zoned PD Planned Development for the I-M(1) Industrial District with Development Regulations to accommodate an outdoor drone delivery distribution center. Owner: Lit Industrial Limited Partnership LLC. Staff: Derica Peters.]
RIGHT. 
          UH, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON OUR AGENDA. 
          THIS IS ZONING FILE DASH 25 DASH OH FOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT FOR AMAZON PRIME, ANDREW. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING, UH, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY LOCATED AT 30 51 RESEARCH DRIVE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE AMAZON FACILITY. 
          UH, IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SHILOH ROAD AND BRECKENRIDGE BOULEVARD. 
          UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS FOR A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A DISTRIBUTION CENTER, UM, WHICH WAS APPROVED UH, IN 2020. 
          UM, SINCE THEN, THE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, UM, AND THE REQUEST IS, IS TO AMEND THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW A COMMERCIAL DRONE HUB ON THE SITE, UM, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UM, IS, UH, UM, FROM THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED THE LATE LAST YEAR. 
          UM, DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS INNOVATION INDUSTRY, UM, AND LOCATED IN THAT PLACE TYPE. 
          AND, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS. 
          SO THIS IS THE NORTH FACADE, UM, OF THE SITE IS SEEN FROM BRECKENRIDGE BOULEVARD. 
          UM, THIS IS THE SOUTH FACADE FROM RESEARCH BOULEVARD. 
          UM, THIS IS THE, UH, EAST FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THIS IS WHERE THE, THE TRUCK COURT IS LOCATED. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE WEST FACADE OF THE BUILDING AS YOU'RE, UM, COMING INTO THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UM, UM, PADDOCK SITE, UM, WHICH IS WHERE THE, UH, DRONE FACILITY WILL BE LOCATED, UM, GENERALLY IN THIS PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT THAT'S INDICATED WITH THE, UM, THE RED ARROW. 
          SO THE, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UM, IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY TO ALLOW A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONDUCTING COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY OPERATIONS. 
          UM, A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB IS ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE OR AREA OF LAND DESIGNED AND SET ASIDE TO SUPPORT COMMERCIAL DELIVERY, DRONE OPERATIONS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO TAKEOFF, LANDING MAINTENANCE, STORAGE, OR RELATED ACTIVITIES CONDUCTED AS ACCESSORY USES. 
          UM, A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE IS DEFINED AS AN UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM, AND ITS ASSOCIATED ELEMENTS USED TO CONDUCT COMMERCIAL PACKAGE DELIVERIES UNDER APPLICABLE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS AND AUTHORIZATIONS. 
          UM, THE COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB SHALL BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET WITH NO MORE THAN FOUR LAUNCH AND DELIVERY PADS. 
          UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING ORDINANCE BACK IN 2020. 
          UM, AND, UH, AS I'VE INDICATED HERE, UM, THIS IS THE, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, PADDOCK SITE, UM, USED FOR, UM, DRONE, UM, OPERATIONS. 
          THE YELLOW, UM, SHADED AREA IS THE ACTUAL DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. 
          AND THEN, UM, MOST OF THE SITE IS USED FOR PARKING. 
          UM, SO THE SITE IS VERY WELL OVER PARKED. 
          UM, IT HAS A HUNDRED, IT'S ONLY 174 SPACES WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED, BUT OVER A THOUSAND SPACES ARE PROVIDED. 
          UM, THIS, UH, SITE WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE, TO HAVE A LOT MORE DELIVERY TRUCKS ON SITE, UH, DELIVERY VANS. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE REMOVING SOME PARKING, UM, FOR DELIVERY VANS THAT WAS FORMALLY PLANNED FOR THIS AREA. 
          UM, BUT SINCE, UM, THE OPERATIONS FOR THIS SITE HAVE CHANGED, UM, THEY ARE NO LONGER IN NEED OF THAT AREA OF PARKING. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING FOR THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, DRONE OPERATIONS SITE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEING PROVIDED, UH, MOSTLY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE WELL EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, SO ZOOMING IN TO THE PRIME AIR DRONE DELIVERY CENTER, UM, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, YOU WILL SEE WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS AREA. 
          UM, GENERALLY LIMITED TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE A SUPPORT TRAILER ON THE LEFT. 
          UM, THERE WILL BE A, UH, PROPOSED CANOPY, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME, UH, PROTECTION, UM, AS THINGS ARE BEING, UM, LOADED. 
          AND THEN, UH, BATTERY STORAGE IS LOCATED IN A MODULE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT SIDE, AND THIS ENTIRE AREA WILL BE FENCED. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S A PROPOSED GATE TO ALLOW FOR, UM, FOR EXIT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A DIRECT POINT OF ACCESS ACROSS THIS DRIVE TO THE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, UM, TO ALLOW FOR, UM, PRODUCTS TO BE SENT FROM THE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY TO THE, UM, DRONE OPERATIONS AREA FOR LOADING INTO THE DRONES. 
          UM, AND THERE'LL BE NO MORE THAN FOUR JOAN, UH, LANDING 
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OR TAKEOFF AREAS, UM, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE CENTER RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, OVERHEAD VIEW OF, UH, THE PADDOCK. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MODULAR TRAILER FOR MAINTENANCE LOCATED UP HERE IN THIS, UM, THIS, UH, LARGER BUILDING. 
          UM, THE, UH, LAUNCH PAD LOCATED HERE, THE LANDING PAD HERE, UM, A DIVERT PAD AND A LARGER AREA RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER LANDING PAD RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, THEN THIS CANOPY STRUCTURE IS WHERE, UM, THE DRONES WILL BE LOADED, UM, AND TO PROVIDE SOME PROTECTION FOR THE, UM, WORKERS WORKING OUTSIDE. 
          AND THEN THE BATTERY STORAGE TRAILER WILL BE LOCATED, UM, RIGHT HERE IN THE SOUTH. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE GA GATE THAT, UM, PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OVER HERE. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS ENTIRE AREA WILL BE FENCED. 
          UM, JUST TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE, UM, THE LATEST MODEL THAT AMAZON IS USING FOR THEIR DRONES. 
          UM, THIS IS THE MK 30, UM, WHICH IS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE MK 27. 
          UM, THE DISTANCE FOR THIS DRONE, UM, CAN GO UP TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILES, UM, PROVIDING FOR A 60 MINUTE DELIVERY RANGE. 
          UM, THE, UH, DRONE IS ELECTRIC POWERED. 
          UM, THE CARRYING CAPACITY IS UP TO FIVE POUNDS. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE NOISE, A NEW PROPELLER, UM, HAS BEEN ADDED, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO, UM, LESSEN THE PERCEIVED VOLUME BY ALMOST HALF COMPARED TO EARLIER AMAZON DRONES. 
          UM, THE DELIVERY PROFILE FROM, UH, 25 FEET DISTANCE IS, UM, 91 DECIBELS, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO A DIESEL TRUCK AT 50 FEET. 
          SO IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD YOUR NEIGHBOR AND THEY HAVE A DIESEL TRUCK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS IT'S AS IT'S MAKING ITS FINAL DESCENT FOR DELIVERY. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES SO VERY QUICKLY. 
          AND THEN IT'S BACK UP IN THE AIR AND OUT OF, OUT OF THE AREA. 
          UM, FLYING AT 200 FEET ABOVE THE GROUND, UM, AS IT'S, UM, APPROACHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IS AT, UH, 63.9 DECIBELS, UM, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO A BUSY COMMERCIAL AREA. 
          UM, AND, UH, IT WILL DESCEND TO DROP THE CUSTOMER ORDER, UM, UP TO, TO 2012 FEET. 
          UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, GENERALLY JUST ABOVE THE ROOF LINE OF A, A SINGLE STORY HOME. 
          UM, AS FAR AS SAFETY, UM, THE DRONE CAN DETECT AND NAVIGATE AROUND OBSTACLES, UM, WHICH CAN RANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL OBSTACLES SUCH AS TRAMPOLINES OR CLOTHESLINES TO COMMERCIAL OBSTACLES SUCH AS, UH, COMMERCIAL CRANES, UM, THAT MAY NOT NOT HAVE BEEN CAPTURED IN SATELLITE IMAGERY. 
          UM, CAMERAS ARE ALSO USED IN FLIGHT TO ASSESS WHETHER THE DRONE SHOULD MAKE EVASIVE MANEUVERS TO AVOID OTHER AIRCRAFT THAT MAY ENTER THE DRONE'S VICINITY. 
          THE PERCEPTION SYSTEM USES ADVANCED MACHINE LEARNING ALGORITHMS THAT ARE TRAINED TO ACCURATELY IDENTIFY OBJECTS LIKE HUMANS, ANIMALS, OBSTACLES, AND OTHER AIRCRAFT. 
          UM, AND THE DRONE IS ALSO EQUIPPED WITH A FULLY REDUNDANT SYSTEM FOR ALL SAFETY CRITICAL FEATURES, INCLUDING A SEPARATE MONITORING COMPUTER SYSTEM, UM, THAT TRACKS THE PRIMARY FLIGHT CONTROL ALGORITHM. 
          UM, THIS DRONE HAS ALSO BEEN APPROVED BY THE FAA FOR FLIGHT OPERATIONS. 
          UM, SO THIS, UH, FACILITY IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN A INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          UM, THERE ARE ALREADY, UM, SOME AVIATION RELATED BUSINESSES, UM, IN THE AREA. 
          UM, BOEING HAS A FACILITY OVER HERE. 
          UM, COLLINS, UH, AEROSPACE IS ALSO LOCATED OVER HERE. 
          THIS SITE WAS ACTUALLY PREVIOUSLY PLANNED FOR AN AIRPORT BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, UM, THAT NEVER GOT BUILT. 
          UM, BUT THE AREA HAS SINCE DEVELOPED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          UM, THERE ARE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, THAT ARE LOCATED FURTHER OUT. 
          UM, THE SITE IS ABOUT 1200 FEET FROM THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE NORTHEAST. 
          UM, AND THEN IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN 900 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL, UM, LOCATED TO THE SOUTHWEST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUSH TURNPIKE. 
          UM, BUT OF COURSE THE, THE NOISE FROM THE TURNPIKE WILL, UM, WILL HELP MASK ANY NOISE THAT WOULD BE HEARD, UM, ON THE, AT THE FACILITY. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU GO EVEN FURTHER, UM, TO WHERE THE ACTUAL PADDOCK SITE, WHERE THE LANDING OPERATIONS ARE OCCURRING, UM, IT'S AN EVEN GREATER DISTANCE. 
          SO YOU'RE ALMOST PUSHING 2000 FEET, UM, TO THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          IT'S ALSO A LITTLE LESS THAN 2000 FEET FROM THE HOSPITAL. 
          SO TO CONCLUDE, UM, SHOULD THE CPC RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM, UH, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT THE SUBJECT SITE SHALL BE ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THE IM ONE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND SHALL BE USED AND DEVELOPED IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE ONSITE CIRCULATION PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, AND THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE ALL ATTACHED. 
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UM, IN ADDITION, THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER MAY INCLUDE A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONDUCTING COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY. 
          UM, AGAIN, THOSE, UH, COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB AND COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE ARE DEFINED HERE. 
          UM, AND FINALLY, THE COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB SHALL BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET WITH NO MORE THAN FOUR LAUNCH AND DELIVERY PADS. 
          UM, AND ANY, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE, UM, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER BEACH? UH, UH, YOU SAID THERE'S FOUR PADS. 
          GOT THAT. 
          HOW MANY DRONES ARE THERE? UH, CAN I PUT FOUR OUT THERE 20 TIMES A DAY, OR ARE THERE JUST FOUR? HOW MANY ARE THERE? UM, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK MORE TO THAT DURING THEIR PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY, UM, ACTUAL DRONES THAT THEY WILL BE USING AS PART OF THEIR OPERATION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          IN THE, UH, IQ, WE, UM, THE ORDINANCE WE PASSED WAS TO ALLOW BY SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, FOR A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          UM, SO IN THIS CASE, THIS IS OUTSIDE, THIS PROPERTY'S OUTSIDE OF THE IQ. 
          SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS TO AMEND THE, THE ZONING OF THE, OF THE PD. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. 
          SO THERE'S NO OPTION TO GIVE, MAKE THIS A SPECIAL PERMIT SINCE IT'S NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE UNDERLYING ZONING, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CITY CHANGES ITS MIND AND SAYS, HEY, THIS IS NOT A USE OR THIS IS AN ISSUE, OR THIS IS A PROBLEM. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE, UH, THE CITY'S OPTIONS TO GO BACK AND REZONE IT, I GUESS TO THE CITY COULD REZONE THE PROPERTY AWAY? YES. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY OPTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEREAS WITH THE SPECIAL PERMIT, MAYBE THERE'S CERTAIN TIME RESTRICTIONS, OR AT LEAST IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF IT WOULD CHANGE THE USE OR OPERATOR OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, THE PERMIT WOULD RIDE WITH THAT SPECIFIC OPERATOR. 
          IN THIS CASE IT'S WITH THE LAND. 
          SO, UM, IF AMAZON WERE TO LEAVE, SOMEBODY ELSE CAME IN, THEY COULD STILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE 'CAUSE IT'D BE BY, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UH, PD ZONING DOES RUN WITH THE LAND. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU ESSENTIALLY WRITE YOUR OWN REGULATIONS THAT ARE UNIQUE AND SPECIAL TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO IF YOU WANTED TO PUT IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS SURROUNDING THE OPERATION TO, UM, TO GIVE THE CITY GREATER COMFORT IN, UM, WHAT GOES ON HERE, YOU CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT. 
          SO IF THERE'S, UM, CONDITIONS AROUND HOURS OF OPERATION OR SCREENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE MADE PART OF THE PD. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT ABOUT, UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE THOUGHT. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE HEARD THAT, UH, THAT WAS A QUESTION WE ASKED EARLIER, UM, ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          UH, WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE LEVELS? I MEAN, YOU'VE GIVEN EXAMPLES, BUT, UM, WOULD, UH, THE CITY'S EXISTING ORDINANCE COVER THE, THE NOISE COMING FROM THESE DRONES? WE DO HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND SO THOSE WOULD BE APPLICABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF NO MORE GREATER THAN 75 DECIBELS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AM I, AM I CLOSE? 75 TO 80 DECIBELS? IT VARIES, UH, BASED ON THE OCTAVE RANGE, UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE AS YOU GET LOWER IN THE OCTAVE RANGE WHERE YOUR BASES, UM, UH, IT, IT HAS TO BE LESS, UM, DECIBELS, THEN YOUR HIGHER RANGES 'CAUSE THE, THE LOWER TRAVELS FURTHER MM-HMM . 
          UH, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO, UH, BUT MY QUESTION IS, ARE THOSE GONNA, IS THE CITY GONNA ENFORCE THOSE IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATION? I WOULD SAY WHILE, WHILE THE DRONES ARE ON THE GROUND, I THINK WE COULD ENFORCE THEM. 
          BUT AGAIN, ONCE THEY'RE IN THE AIR, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, THEY'RE, THAT'S FAA PURVIEW. 
          AND AS LONG AS THE, UM, THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR FLIGHT AND IT HAS PASSED ALL OF THE FEDERAL ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, APPROVALS MM-HMM . 
          UH, THEN THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE, UM, SO THE, UM, THE FAA IS REALLY GONNA GOVERN EVERYTHING IN, IN TERMS OF AIRSPACE AND NUMBER OF FLIGHTS AND ROUTES AND HOW HIGH AND THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ALL THAT, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S NOTHING FOR, FOR THE CITY TO DECIDE. 
          IT'S OUT OF OUR AREA, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT WILL TAKE INTO EFFECT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE NOISE. 
          IT'LL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT, ALL OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS JUST THE START OF THE PROCESS. 
          CORRECT. 
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UM, AND SO THERE WILL BE THAT FOLLOW UP ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, CHANCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT REVIEW WITH THE FAA, UM, IT WON'T BE RUN BY THE CITY IN THAT CASE? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. 
          SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS ZONING REQUEST, UM, THIS IS JUST LIKE YOU SAID, A FIRST STEP THAT WILL, UM, IF APPROVED WOULD ALLOW FOR A, UH, COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB AT THIS LOCATION. 
          AND SO REALLY THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT ON THIS SITE AND, UM, LOOKING AT ANY SORT OF MITIGATION MEASURES FOR OPERATIONS ON THE GROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THIS, UH, AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE DRONES AT THIS FACILITY AT THE AMAZON FACILITY, WOULD THOSE BE SERVICED AND MAINTAINED ON SITE, OR WOULD THOSE POTENTIALLY BE GOING OVER TO THE IQ AND THE PROPOSED OPERATION MAINTENANCE CENTER OVER THERE? I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK MORE TO THAT, BUT, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THEIR PLANS, I THINK THE, UM, FACILITY WILL PROVIDE FOR SOME LIGHT MAINTENANCE ON SITE, BUT SOME MORE ADVANCED LEVEL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS MAY HAVE TO OCCUR OFF SITE. 
          BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK MORE TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER KELLER. 
          SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WAS WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LAND USE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA FOR THIS FACILITY, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS THAT THESE DRONES WOULD HAVE FROM THIS FACILITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE THE FAA REGULATES EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE AIR, AND THESE DRONES NEVER TOUCH THE GROUND WHEN THEY GET TO THE DELIVERY SITE, THE CITY HAS NO REVIEW OR PURVIEW WHEN THEY GET OUT TO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING IN THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'S PROVIDED AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THROUGH THE FAA, SO, OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, YOU THINK ABOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND US THAT ARE WITHIN SEVEN AND A HALF MILES, YOU COULD BE HAVING DRONES FLYING TO RESIDENCES IN OUR COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB OR NOT. 
          TRUE. 
          BUT I MEAN, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY MORE LIKELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DRONES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY IF WE HAVE ONE THAT IS SEVEN AND A HALF MILES AWAY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS GIVEN AREA. 
          SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE AT, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR REVIEW OF THE IMPACT THAT THAT HAS ON THE SURROUNDING AREA WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          NOT AT THE ZONING LEVEL, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEAREST, UH, DRONE DELIVERY HUB IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF RICHARDSON? I, I DO NOT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I BELIEVE IT'S, ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT AMAZON SPECIFICALLY OR ANY? NO. 
          ANY, ANY. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S THE, THE WALMART AND GARLAND, AND I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT THE, THE ADDRESS IS OF THAT WALMART. 
          BUT, UH, YES. 
          UH, BUT WE DID A, UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE CURRENTLY OPERATES AND WE DID A, UM, A MEASUREMENT FROM THAT WALMART AND EVERYWHERE WITHIN RICHARDSON IS WITHIN THEIR DELIVERY RANGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          ALRIGHT, SAM. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME IS SAM BAILEY, SENIOR MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT AMAZON. 
          HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT. 
          I'M REGARDING OUR SITE LOCATED AT 30 51 RESEARCH DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 2. 
          I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES WIL ERT FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOP AND POLICY TEAM, VIC YOUNGIN FROM OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM OVERSEEING TEXAS AND OUR ENGINEERING PARTNERS AT LANGAN, WHO, UH, CREATE SOME OF THE PLANS YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA PROVIDE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UM, OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED, UM, THAT WERE ASKED OF STAFF, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON PRIME'S, UH, POSITION ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, LET ME FIRST TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL SITE AND ITS CURRENT OPERATIONS HERE IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          UM, STX EIGHT IS A SUB SAME DAY FULFILLMENT CENTER, CONNECTING CUSTOMERS TO OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR SAME DAY DELIVERY. 
          UM, THE SITE HAS MORE THAN 400 AMAZON EMPLOYEES THAT WORK AT THIS SITE SERVING RICHARDSON SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. 
          THE SITE IS JUST OVER 141,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, THE PURPOSE OF US SELECTING THIS SITE FOR THE PROPOSED USE IS THIS, THIS IS A HIGH PERFORMING SITE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE SEE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, WHERE THIS SITE'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL 
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AND ITS OPERATIONS HERE IN RICHARDSON, UH, TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND UPON ITS ABILITY TO SERVE CUSTOMERS THROUGH THE INTEGRATION OF PRI AIR. 
          UM, AS YOU HEARD IN THE PRIOR SESSION, I WANNA MAKE SURE I REPEAT THAT NOW THAT WE'RE IN THIS FORMAL HEARING. 
          UM, PRIME'S AMAZON'S DRONE DELIVERY SERVICE, UM, SINCE LAUNCHING IN 2022, WE'VE SAFELY DELIVERED THOUSANDS OF PACKAGES TO THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS, UH, IN 60 MINUTES OR LESS, USING A FLEET OF ELECTRIC DRONES. 
          DESIGNED, BUILT, AND OPERATED BY AMAZON. 
          WE'VE OBTAINED FAA APPROVAL, UH, TO OPERATE IN COMMUNITIES WHERE WE OFFER THE SERVICE TODAY BY DEMONSTRATING THE DRONE CAN SAFELY DELIVER FOR CUSTOMERS TO DATE THE SERVICES AVAILABLE IN COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS, AND TOLLESON ARIZONA. 
          THROUGH THE INTEGRATION OF THOSE TWO SITES, WE'VE ALSO COMPLIMENTED AND INSURED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS. 
          FROM AN INITIAL CONVERSATION LIKE THIS, UH, THROUGH ONGOING ENGAGEMENT WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES THROUGH DEDICATED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, WE HAVE AN AMAZON DRONE FEEDBACK ALIAS WHERE WE ACTIVELY TAKE FEEDBACK AND I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE TAKEN ON SPECIFICALLY ON THIS SITE THROUGH OUR, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE STARTED. 
          UH, WE ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS, IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, UM, WHERE WE CAN PARTNER ON STEM PROGRAMMING, CERTAIN DRONE OPERATOR CREDENTIALS AND CERTIFICATES AND MORE. 
          SO WE SEE THIS AS NOT ONLY AN INVESTMENT AT THE SITE, BUT AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE POSTED MUCH OF OUR ENGAGEMENT AND OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF PRIME ON ABOUT AMAZON.COM, WHICH IS AVAILABLE, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO VIEW. 
          LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MK 30. 
          DRONE SAFETY IS THE FIRST PRIORITY WHEN WE PRIORITIZE THE CUSTOMER, THE COMMUNITY, AND EMPLOYEE'S SAFETY ABOVE ALL ELSE, THE MK 30, WHICH WENT THROUGH AEROSPACE GRADE MANUFACTURING PROCESS, WAS CERTIFIED BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, FLIES TWICE AS FAR AS OUR PREVIOUS DRONE. 
          THE MK 27 IS ABOUT 40% QUIETER WITH THE HUMAN EAR THAN THAT PRIOR MODEL, AND IS BUILT TO FLY THROUGH LIGHT RAIN. 
          THE DRONE RECEIVED FAA APPROVAL 2024, AND STARTED COMMENCING CUSTOMER DELIVERIES IN NOVEMBER OF 2024. 
          THE APPROVAL INCLUDED OUR ABILITY TO FLY BEYOND LINE OF SITE USING PRIME SOPHISTICATED AND ONBOARD DETECT AND AVOID SYSTEMS, WHICH ALLOWED THE DRONE TO IDENTIFY AND AVOID OBJECTS SUCH AS AIRCRAFT, CRANES, TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, AND OTHER ITEMS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE AND PROPERTY THAT DETECT AND AVOID TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT REQUIRE HUMAN ENGAGEMENT, ALTHOUGH THERE'S ALWAYS A LOCAL MONITOR AND OPERATOR ON SITE TO INTERVENE, BUT THAT DETECT AND AVOID SYSTEM HAPPENS FULLY INTEGRATED WITHIN THE DRONE AS IS COMMENCING AND DELIVERY. 
          THE BATTERY POWERED DRONE, UM, CARRIES ONE ITEM UP TO FIVE POUNDS AND HAS A DELIVERY RADIUS OF SEVEN AND A HALF MILES. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET BY FIVE FEET, WEIGHS 83 POUNDS, AND AGAIN, CAN FLY THROUGH LIGHT, RAIN, AND WIND. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, TO POINT OUT THAT WHILE, UM, THERE IS A SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS FROM THE AMAZON FULFILLMENT CENTER, THAT RADIUS OF SERVICE TERRITORY WILL BE ALTERED BASED ON FEEDBACK BOTH FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE FAA AS WE GO THROUGH THE FEDERAL APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH I'LL GET MORE INTO. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS CIRCLE FROM THAT STX EIGHT SUB, SAME DAY FULFILLMENT CENTER, UM, THAT AIRSPACE WILL LOOK DIFFERENT BASED ON INTERACTIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE FA TO IDENTIFY PLACES WHERE WE CAN OPERATE AND PLACES WHERE WE CANNOT OPERATE. 
          UM, YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE SOUND THAT WAS PROVIDED BY ANDREW, UM, AND THE SOUND OF THE DRONES AT VARIOUS STAGES. 
          UM, THIS DATA WAS COLLECTED IN A RURAL SETTING ON A TEST RANGE IN A, UH, CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE, UH, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, UM, UNDER THOSE, UH, TESTING, UM, IT WAS NOT DONE IN A MORE URBAN SETTING. 
          AND SO IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE AMBIENT NOISE THAT IS ONGOING IN THE COMMUNITY, SUCH AS THE GEORGE, UH, UH, BUSH TURNPIKE, UM, COMMERCIAL AND, UH, PERSONAL TRAFFIC THAT'S NAVIGATING THROUGHOUT THE AREA. 
          UM, ONE THING I ALSO WANNA INCLUDE WHEN IT, UM, AS YOU HEARD FROM MULTIPLE, UM, OPERATORS, UM, AIRSPACE, WHICH IS MANAGED BY THE F FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, UM, THEY RECOGNIZE DRONE OPERATORS AND THE COLLABORATION DRONE OPERATORS IS A KEY PRIORITY FOR SAFE OPERATION. 
          THE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT TECHNOLOGY, UH, MANAGES THE AIRSPACE WITH RIGOROUS FAAO SAFETY OVERSIGHT ALLOWS COMPANIES TO SHARE DATA AND THOSE ROUTES, UM, SO THAT WE CAN COLLECTIVELY OPERATE, UM, JUST AS THE AIRLINES DO IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT MANAGED, UM, WITH THE FA A'S APPROVAL. 
          THIS ALLOWS OUR OPERATORS TO SAFELY ORGANIZE AND MANAGE DRONE FLIGHTS AROUND EACH OTHER IN A SHARED AIRSPACE, KNOWING THAT WE'RE NOT THE SOLE OPERATOR IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE INSTITUTE IS WHEN WE LOOK AT AREAS OF CONSIDERATION, LET'S TAKE METHODIST RICHARDSON MEDICAL CENTER NORTH OF OUR SITE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A STANDARD PROCESS TO ENGAGE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, LOCAL AVIATION, STAKEHOLDERS, AIRPORTS, HOSPITALS, AND OTHER OPERATORS TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE CAN SAFELY OPERATE AND THEN WHERE WE ARE NOT GOING TO OPERATE TO PRESERVE THAT ASSET'S ABILITY TO OPERATE SAFELY, SUCH AS METHODIST RICHARDSON MEDICAL CENTER. 
          UM, WE 
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RECENTLY LAUNCHED PRIME AIR FROM AN EXISTING FACILITY SIMILAR TO STX EIGHT, SO ANOTHER SUB SAME DAY FULFILLMENT CENTER IN TULSA, ARIZONA. 
          AND THAT SITE IS DELIVERING PACKAGES USING OUR MK 30 DRONE. 
          THAT, UH, DEMAND IS DRIVEN ORGANICALLY THROUGH CUSTOMER DEMAND EDUCATION THAT WE DO THROUGH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE A STATIC DRONE ON SITE. 
          WE TALK ABOUT THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE CAN REALLY SHOWCASE THE TYPES OF ITEMS THAT, UM, INDIVIDUALS CAN ORDER, UM, WHETHER THAT BE SOMETHING, UM, AS COMPLEX AS A PRESCRIPTION TO, UH, AN EVERYDAY ITEM. 
          BUT AGAIN, AGAIN, NOT EVERY ITEM IS AVAILABLE FOR DELIVERY BASED ON THE SIZE. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE FIVE POUNDS OR LESS WE'RE ABLE TO DELIVER SAFELY UTILIZING THIS DRONE. 
          JUST TO WALK THROUGH THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, AN INDIVIDUAL OR CUSTOMER CAN GO ON TO SEAMLESS AND FULLY INTEGRATE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE FROM AMAZON.COM. 
          THIS IS OUR INVENTORY, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY IS COMING OFF THE SHELF AND BEING PUT INTO THE DRONE, UH, BEFORE A FLIGHT IS COMMENCING. 
          UM, THE CUSTOMER ALSO HAS THE ABILITY, SHOULD THEY NOT WANT THIS SERVICE TO OPT OUT AND ACTUALLY BLUR THEIR HOME. 
          UM, SO THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RECEIVE PRIMARY DRONES. 
          SO WE ARE ALSO MAKING SURE THE CUSTOMERS HAVE THAT CHOICE. 
          AS YOU HEARD FROM ANDREW, PRIVACY IS A MAJOR CONSIDERATION FOR AMAZON, AS IS THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          THEY PASS CODES SO THAT COMMERCIAL DRONE OPERATORS, UM, ARE NOT USING DRONES FOR, UH, SURVEILLANCE, UH, ACTIVITIES. 
          THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR PRIME. 
          WE'RE FOCUSED ON DELIVERING PACKAGES FOR CUSTOMERS. 
          SO THERE'S BOTH STATE LAW CREATING PROTECTIONS FOR PRIVACY. 
          UH, AND THEN FROM OUR FOCUS, WE'RE FOCUSED ON DELIVERING A SAFE PACKAGE TO OUR CUSTOMER DIRECTLY. 
          UM, AS ANDREW MENTIONED, UM, ONCE THE ORDER IS RECEIVED AND ASSIGNED TO STX EIGHT, UM, AN AMAZON EMPLOYEE RETRIEVES, THAT CUSTOMER ORDER PLACES IT IN, UH, A CUSTOM BOX DESIGNED FOR MK 30 DRONE. 
          THAT ORDER IS TAKEN FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING TO, UH, THE PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY CENTER, WHAT YOU'VE HEARD US CALL THE PADDOCK. 
          THAT DRONE IS THEN LOADED FOR DELIVERY AND THEN DELIVERY TO ELIGIBLE CUSTOMER ADDRESSES. 
          THAT DRONE WILL THEN TAKE OFF IN A VERTICAL TAKEOFF, UM, THEN TRANSITION TO HORIZONTAL FLIGHT, NAVIGATING TO THAT SITE WITH A LOCAL OPERATOR MONITORING THE FLIGHT FROM START TO FINISH. 
          IT IS A HIGHLY AUTOMATED SYSTEM, BUT AGAIN, THAT LOCALLY BASED, UH, MONITOR CAN INTERVENE IN THE EVENT THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE TROUBLESHOOTED, BUT THE GOAL OF THAT DRONE IS TO FLY DIRECTLY TO THE CUSTOMER'S RESIDENT IN A SAFE ROUTE TO SEND TO ABOUT, UH, 12 FEET, DROP THE PACKAGE IN A MATTER OF SECONDS RETURN, UH, TO, UH, VERTICAL FLIGHT TRANSITION TO HORIZONTAL FLIGHT, RETURN TO STATION, ONE ORDER, ONE FLIGHT. 
          WHEN THAT DRONE RETURNS TO STATION, THE AMAZON EMPLOYEE WILL REMOVE THE BATTERY THAT WAS USED FOR THAT FLIGHT FROM OUR BATTERY'S, UM, STORAGE UNIT, AND THEN REPLACE IT WITH A FULLY CHARGED BATTERY FOR EVERY FLIGHT. 
          EVERY FLIGHT'S GOING OUT WITH A FULLY CHARGED BATTERY. 
          UM, AS YOU, UH, SAW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 51 RESEARCH DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. 
          THIS SITE WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS AN AMAZON DELIVERY STATION. 
          SO, UM, OUR ICONIC BLUE VANS THAT YOU SEE IN THE COMMUNITY AND ACROSS THE REGION, UM, WOULD'VE UTILIZED MUCH OF THIS PARKING. 
          UM, THIS SITE WAS REPURPOSED TO BE A SUB SAME DAY FULFILLMENT CENTER, SO AS ANDREW MENTIONED, IT IS OVER PARKED, WHICH ALLOWS US TO PLACE THE PADDOCK DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE BUILDING TO BRING IT IN IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, CREATE A REALLY SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST THAT IT'S NESTLED RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING. 
          IT ALSO ENSURES THAT OUR AMAZON ASSOCIATES HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO AMENITIES RIGHT AT THE SITE VERSUS HAVING IT PLACED FURTHER OUT FROM THE BUILDING. 
          UM, REGARDING THE APPROVAL PROCESS, UM, WE'RE HERE FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE, UM, TO TAKE ON THIS UNIQUE PROJECT THAT WE'RE CONDUCTING OUR EXISTING OPERATIONS SITE. 
          UM, WE INTENTIONALLY HAVE LOOKED AT OUR EXISTING OPERATION SITES BECAUSE THEY NATURALLY SIT IN A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL AREA FOR THEIR, UH, OPERATIONS. 
          WITH THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BEST INTEGRATE OUR EXISTING INVENTORY AND OPERATIONS, AND THAT PRIMARY CAN COMPLEMENT THAT WORK TO BEST DELIVER FOR OUR CUSTOMERS WITHIN THAT VICINITY. 
          SO WHILE WE'RE HERE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION REGARDING THE USE AT OUR EXISTING SITE, THE PARALLEL TRACK THAT WE THEN RUN IS WITH THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION. 
          AND JUST BECAUSE IT IS A FEDERAL JURISDICTION, IT DOES NOT CUT OUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL ENGAGEMENT. 
          IN FACT, IT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED FOR PART OF THAT, THE PROCESS THAT AMAZON UNDERTAKE AND WHY WE STARTED WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          UM, WE'RE AN EXISTING EMPLOYER HERE. 
          WE HAVE OVER 400 EMPLOYEES HERE. 
          WE'VE MADE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEN COME TO YOU AND SURPRISE YOU WITH A CONVERSATION REGARDING THE USE. 
          WE OPTED TO START HERE TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT, DISCUSS ITS VIABILITY IN YOUR COMMUNITY, AND TO DETERMINE IF THE COMMUNITY WAS OPEN TO THIS NEW INNOVATION. 
          MOVING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE THEN ENGAGED THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION TO DO TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT REQUIRE, UH, REQUIRES THAT WE CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. 
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SO THIS ALLOWS US TO IDENTIFY, UM, AND ENSURE THAT NO IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY, WILDLIFE, AND THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, COME ABOUT. 
          AS A RESULT OF THIS PRIMARY INTEGRATION, THIS WILL EVALUATE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. 
          IT'LL ALSO SEEK COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THESE PROPOSED PLANS FROM THE FA A, PROVIDE FEEDBACK THAT THEN THE FA AND AMAZON HAVE TO REVIEW AND THEN PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON SAME THING WITH RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUSINESSES AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, OTHER AIRSPACE OPERATORS. 
          WE THEN ALSO ENGAGE LOCALLY, UM, WITH THE FAA THROUGH THEIR DISTRICT OFFICES TO DETERMINE WHERE WE CAN SAFELY OPERATE THESE DRONES AND WHERE WE CANNOT OPERATE THESE DRONES. 
          SO, AGAIN, THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS MAY LOOK DIFFERENT AS WE ENGAGE WITH THE FAA TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE CAN SAFELY OPERATE. 
          AND AREAS WHERE THE FAA SAYS YOUR DRONES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OPERATE HERE. 
          UM, AND YOU'VE GOT ABOUT THREE MINUTES LEFT. 
          YEAH, JUST COMING UP TO THE END HERE. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, WE CONDUCTED TWO MEETINGS WITH THE CREEK COLLEGE STATES, HOA, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          THE FIRST MEETING TOOK PLACE WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON FEBRUARY 11TH, 2025. 
          THE SECOND TOOK PLACE ON FEBRUARY 24TH, UH, 2025. 
          WE ANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING PRIVACY, SOUND, PRIMARIES, OPERATIONS, THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE NOISE, AND CHANGES TO OUR PROPOSED SITE. 
          UM, AFTER BOTH MEETINGS, WE PROVIDED WRITTEN FOLLOW UP, UM, TO THE CREEK HOUSE STATE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BELIEVING THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN SHARED ON TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE ALSO RECEIVED EMAILS, UH, THROUGH THAT AMAZON DRONE FEEDBACK@AMAZON.COM EMAIL ADDRESS. 
          UH, WE RECEIVED TWO EMAILS TO DATE, WHICH WE'VE RESPONDED TO MOSTLY REGARDING, UM, THE INTERACTION WITH METHODIST, WHICH RICHARDSON MEDICAL CENTER, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WE VIEW THIS AS A, A LOCAL COLLABORATION OF THE COMMUNITY, FOLLOWED BY US AS THE APPLICANT GOING TO THE FAA SEEKING THEIR APPROVAL, WHICH THEN COMES BACK TO LOCAL ENGAGEMENT. 
          WE DON'T SEE OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STOPPING ONLY BEING ENHANCED THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO EDUCATE, UM, INDIVIDUALS ON OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER FOR THEM IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND AGAIN, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER BEACH, I'M STILL CURIOUS HOW MANY PER DAY YOU'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE TAKE TAKEOFF AND LAND? SO THE NUMBER PER DAY, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO SHARE AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT WILL BE DRIVEN BY ORGANIC CUSTOMER DEMAND. 
          SURE. 
          THE PADDOCK IS INTENTIONALLY SET UP SO THAT MULTIPLE FLIGHTS CAN OCCUR. 
          SO WE CAN HAVE DRONES TAKING OFF AND LANDING WHEN WE WORK TO CONDUCT THE NEPA ANALYSIS. 
          WE'LL OVERESTIMATE, UM, OUR POTENTIAL GROWTH JUST LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, SHOULD WE BE APPROVED TO OPERATE. 
          UH, BUT THE GOALS THAT WE WOULD SCALE, SO IT START OFF SLOW AS WE START TO GARNER CUSTOMER, UM, ACCEPTANCE AND USABILITY OF THE DRONE MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT WE CAN'T GIVE YOU A FIRM NUMBER BASED ON THE ORGANIC NATURE OF THE GROWTH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT ASKING FOR A FIRM NUMBER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO OR 22 OR 202 SOME IDEA IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A BREAKEVEN THAT YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO EXCEED TO, UH, TO INVEST IN THIS PROJECT. 
          SO JUST GIMME SORT OF A BALLPARK NUMBER PLEASE. 
          SO, UM, AT THIS TIME, WE'RE CURRENTLY ALLOCATING, SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, WHAT THE NUMBER OF DRONES WOULD BE DEPLOYED AT THIS SITE. 
          UM, IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER, UM, CONDUCT MULTIPLE FLIGHTS AT ONE TIME. 
          YOU CAN GET CLOSER THAN THAT. 
          I, I CAN'T PROVIDE THAT NUMBER AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THAT NUMBER WILL BE GENERATED ONCE WE SEE THAT CUSTOMER DEMAND. 
          UH, AND THEN WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLER? UH, YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, BASED ON THE WAY THAT THE DRONE DELIVERY WORKS, UM, WHAT SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS EVENING. 
          UM, IT, IT APPEARS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT HOVERS OVER THE SITE. 
          AND HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE WITH THE HOME, WE SEE A NICE CLEAR OPEN AREA. 
          UH, BUT IN RICHARDSON IN PARTICULAR WITH IT BEING, UH, AN OLDER SUBURB THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE NEWER SUBURBS UP TO THE NORTH WHERE WE HAVE OPEN, CLEAR AREAS LIKE THAT, SMALLER TREES, UM, MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH I ANTICIPATE WOULD BE SOME OF THE TARGETED RECIPIENTS OF THESE DRONE DELIVERIES HAVE LARGE MATURE TREES IN THOSE AREAS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, ON MY STREET, THERE IS HARDLY AN OPEN AREA IN THE CANOPY OF, OF THE, OF THE TREES ON THAT STREET. 
          SO TELL ME ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS IN, IN AREAS, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MINE. 
          SO OUR NEW DRONE, THE MK 30 HAS THE ABILITY TO DELIVER TO MUCH MORE DENSELY POPULATED AREAS. 
          UM, WHERE WE DO HAVE GREATER TREE COVERAGE, UM, NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR DELIVERY. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOUR, IF YOUR HOME HAS LARGE TREE GROWTH, IF THERE'S ELEVATED POWER LINES THAT MAY, UM, CONFLICT WITH YOUR DRIVEWAY OVER YOUR BACKYARD, YOU MAY GET A PACKAGE, UH, THROUGH ONE OF OUR DELIVERY VEHICLES, OUR ICONIC BLUE VANS, NOT THROUGH THE DRONE. 
          SO AGAIN, WHILE THE RANGE IS SIGNIFICANT, THERE'S A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT WE UNDERTAKE TO ENSURE CAN WE SAFELY DELIVER HERE? IF NOT, WE'LL SAY YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR PACKAGE. 
          UM, THE REGULAR WAY AMAZON DELIVERS TODAY, 
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UM, WHERE SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE THAT OBSTRUCTION MAY SAY, I WANT IT DELIVERED IN MY DRIVEWAY OR IN MY BACKYARD. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE LOOK AT IS THE CUSTOMER ELIGIBLE? IS IT, CAN WE CONDUCT A SAFE DELIVERY, UH, BASED ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, UH, NEAR THE RESIDENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THOUGH IS HOW IS THAT DETERMINATION MADE AS TO WHETHER IT CAN BE SAFELY DELIVERED UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES? WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION AND AND WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS FOR MAKING THAT DETERMINATION? SO AMAZON WILL REVIEW WHEN A, WHEN A CUSTOMER GOES ONLINE TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY ENROLL IN DELI DELIVERY, UM, THERE'S A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT INFORMATION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE IF THEIR SITE IS ELIGIBLE FOR DELIVERY. 
          AND THAT MAY BE ANYTHING FROM, UH, TREES BASED ON JUST THE CONFLICT THAT THAT PROVIDES TO AIRSPACE. 
          SO WE'RE MAKING A VARIETY OF DETERMINATIONS BASED ON THAT ADDRESS TO SEE IF WE CAN SAFELY DELIVER OR IF WE'RE UNABLE TO DELIVER TO THAT ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THERE LIKE A MINIMUM, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, THE LOWEST HEIGHT THAT THE DRONE DROPS TO? UH, IN, IN THE AIR? THE LOWEST HEIGHT THAT WE WILL DROP TO IS 12 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WILL IT ONLY DROP TO 12 FEET IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT FINAL DELIVERY, OR IS THERE, UM, A CERTAIN DISTANCE IN WHICH IT COULD POTENTIALLY FLY AT 12 FEET? NO, I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO. 
          SO WE WILL BE TRAVELING HUNDREDS OF FEET IN THE AIR. 
          WE WILL ONLY DESCEND FOR A MATTER OF SECONDS TO THAT 12 FOOT MINIMUM, MAKE THE DELIVERY IMMEDIATELY ASCEND VERTICALLY. 
          SO WE WILL NOT BE TRAVELING HORIZONTALLY AT THAT LOW OF AN ELEVATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'S THE LOWEST ELEVATION THAT IT WOULD TRAVEL HORIZONTALLY? THE LOWEST ELEVATION, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED WITH THE FAA, BUT WE'RE BETWEEN 180 TO 400 FEET. 
          AGAIN, THAT WILL BE DETERMINED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FAA, BUT THAT'S THE ROUGH RANGE FROM LOW TO HIGH. 
          BUT THE LOWEST IT WILL EVER DROP OUTSIDE OF PHYSICALLY LANDING WOULD BE A CUSTOMER'S RESIDENCE AT 12 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN A SIMILAR VEIN, UH, BUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT QUESTION, UH, LIKE WITH APARTMENTS, UH, IN THE COMMUNITIES, IS IT TWO COMMUNITIES THAT, UH, AMAZON HAS, UH, DONE THIS IN BEFORE? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, SO COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS AND TOLLESON, ARIZONA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, I ASSUME THAT, UH, APARTMENTS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE DRONE DELIVERY? GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. 
          CURRENTLY WE'RE FOCUSED ON SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES WITH THE GOAL TO EXPAND A MULTIFAMILY AS WELL AS BUSINESSES NATURALLY IN TERMS OF DELIVERING A MULTIFAMILY HOW THAT PACKAGE IS COLLECTED AND PROCESSED IN A SAFE MANNER IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          SO CERTAINLY THAT'S ON THE HORIZON FOR US, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THAT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE, THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR YOU IS, IS REGARDING SAFETY. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UH, AMONG THE VARIOUS PROVIDERS THIS EVENING ABOUT THE, THE SAFETY, UM, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT, UM, IN, IN THE COMMUNITIES, UH, THAT AMAZON IS, IS CURRENTLY OPERATING THIS PROGRAM. 
          AND, UM, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE SAFETY RECORD LOOK LIKE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES? SO LET ME START WITH WHERE WE CURRENTLY TEST AND FOCUS ON SAFETY. 
          SO IN PENDLETON, OREGON, WE HAVE A CLOSED PRIVATE TEST SITE WHERE WE INTENTIONALLY TAKE OUR DRONES TO THE MAXIMUM, UH, TO STRESS TEST THEM SO THAT WE CAN SAFELY OPERATE. 
          UH, TODAY WE'VE HAD NO COMMERCIAL INCIDENTS AT EITHER OUR TOLLESON, ARIZONA SITE OR COLLEGE STATION. 
          UM, THAT TEST SITE IS CRITICAL BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO CONDUCT, UM, OPERATIONS SIMULATE THOSE TYPES OF INCIDENTS THAT MAY OCCUR. 
          BUT WE'VE HAD NO COMMERCIAL CRASHES IN EITHER TULSA, ARIZONA, OR COLLEGE STATION TEXAS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, IN THOSE COMMUNITIES IN ARIZONA AND, UH, THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED IN COLLEGE STATION, HOW MANY, UM, DELIVERIES IS AMAZON CONDUCTING ON A DAILY BASIS IN EACH OF THOSE COMMUNITIES? I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF AND PROVIDE A RANGE. 
          BUT IN BOTH THOSE SITES, WE'VE BEEN, SINCE THE YEAR INCEPTION BE ABLE TO CONDUCT THOUSANDS OF DELIVERIES TO, UH, CUSTOMERS WITHIN THAT SERVICE TERRITORY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER POYNTER, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          HOW MANY DRONES DO YOU EXPECT TO BE HOUSED AT THIS LOCATION? UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, AT THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE A FIRM NUMBER AS TO THE NUMBER, TOTAL NUMBER OF DRONES, UM, THAT WILL BE DRIVEN BY THE CUSTOMER DEMAND IN THE REGION. 
          SO AT THIS PROCESS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          HOW MANY WERE IN COLLEGE STATION? UH, I WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON HOW MANY ARE CURRENTLY BASED AT COLLEGE STATION IN TULSA, ARIZONA. 
          ARE YOU ACTIVELY FLYING IN COLLEGE STATION? UH, CURRENTLY WE CONDUCTED AN, UH, SELF-IMPOSED OPERATIONAL PAUSE TO DO A SOFTWARE UPGRADE OF OUR DRONES, THE MK 30 DRONE. 
          UM, SO THAT OPERATIONAL PAUSE IS STILL IN EFFECT, BUT WE HOPE TO REACTIVATE HERE SHORTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'LL CONTINUE WITH THE RELATIONSHIP WITH COLLEGE STATION. 
          'CAUSE I SAW A STATEMENT FROM THE MAYOR SAYING THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP WOULDN'T CONTINUE. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF COLLEGE STATION REGARDING OUR EXISTING OPERATIONS AND OUR FORECASTED OPERATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT RELATIONSHIP 
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COLLEGE STATION? I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS A PHENOMENAL PARTNER IN ALLOWING US TO BRING NEW INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE LEARNING LESSONS THAT WE TOOK FROM THERE, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE US HERE, UM, IN RICHARDSON, IS THAT THAT SITE WAS NOT LIKE AN STX EIGHT, IT WASN'T AN EXISTING OPERATION SITE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE PILOTED THAT SITE AS A NEW DRONE DELIVERY SITE, LOCATED A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO RESIDENCES WHERE THIS ONE IS LOCATED FURTHER. 
          SO THIS IS A MAJOR PIVOT FOR US TO FOCUS ON OUR EXISTING OPERATIONAL SITES LOCATED IN COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREAS. 
          SO THAT WAS CERTAINLY AN AREA WHERE WE FELT WE TOOK A LOT OF LESSONS LEARNED FROM CITY COUNCIL, FROM RESIDENTS. 
          WE MET WITH, UM, HOAS THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE CONDUCTED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENTS. 
          UM, IT'S IMPORTANT NOTE CITY, UH, COLLEGE STATION OFFICIALS CONDUCTED THEIR OWN SOUND TESTING OF OUR SITE AND SAW THAT WE DID NOT, UM, EXCEED, UH, ANY DECIBEL LEVELS WITH AN ORDINANCE, UH, SO THAT WE COULD OPERATE SAFELY THERE. 
          SINCE THE INTEGRATION FOR MK 30 DRONE, WE'VE HAD NO OPERATIONAL COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS IN COLLEGE STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT QUESTION IS YOU, YOU, I WANT YOU TO CONFIRM IF YOU WOULD, OR TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HERE IN RICHARDSON THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE YES. 
          TO DATE. 
          UM, AS WE, SO TO DATE, PRIOR TO SUBMITTING APPLICATION, WE DID MEET WITH CITY STAFF MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL JUST TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON OUR EXISTING OPERATIONS AT THE SITE, DISCUSS THIS PROPOSED, UH, POTENTIAL USE PRIOR TO SUBMITTING ANY APPLICATION THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          FROM THERE, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO ENGAGE THE PRE-CALL STATE'S, HOA, UH, WHICH WE HAVE DONE THROUGH TWO MEETINGS. 
          FIRST WITH THE BOARD DIRECTORS ON FEBRUARY 11TH, THE SECOND, UH, OCCURRING ON FEBRUARY 24TH TO TAKE FEEDBACK AND PROVIDE WRITTEN FOLLOW UP. 
          WE HAVE FUTURE FEE ENGAGEMENT PLANS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONDUCT HERE IN PERSON, INCLUDING BRINGING A STATIC DRONE ACTUALLY INTO THE COMMUNITY SO THEY COULD SEE IT. 
          BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FAA APPROVAL, WE CAN'T DO A DEMONSTRATION, BUT WE WOULD INVITE STAFF CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TOUR OUR SITE, ONE OF OUR SITES TO SEE IT IN ACTION. 
          GOT IT. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE MAKING MULTIPLE DELIVERIES TO ONE HOME SERIAL DELIVERIES, CAN YOU CHANGE YOUR FLIGHT PATH? DID YOUR SOFTWARE ALLOW YOU TO CHANGE YOUR FLIGHT PATH OR WILL YOU BE REPEATING YOUR FLIGHT PATH? OUR SOFTWARE ALLOWS US TO VARY THE FLIGHT AND ALSO THE ELEVATION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, SORRY. 
          AND ONE LAST IS BATTERY STORAGE. 
          HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CONTAINER AND YOUR BATTERY STORAGE SAFETY PROCESS? YEAH, SO THE BAT CACHE, AS WE CALL IT, IS OUR BATTERY STORAGE UNIT WHERE THE ITEMS ARE BOTH CHARGED, UM, AND THEN RETRIEVED FOR, UM, UH, PLACEMENT INTO A DRONE. 
          UM, IN SPEAKING WITH CITY STAFF, I BELIEVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATES A BATTERY SYSTEMS PERMIT. 
          WE PROVIDE SOME INITIAL INFORMATION THAT INCLUDES, THAT WOULD INCLUDE INFORMATION ON OUR BATTERY AS PER THAT PERMIT, SO THAT FIRST RESPONDERS KNOW THE QUANTITY AND THE TYPES OF BATTERIES THAT ARE STORED IN THAT UNIT. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS ARE YOUR DRONE PILOTS, YOU'VE REFERRED TO THEM ALTERNATELY AS OPERATORS OR MONITORS, MAYBE MONITORS IN THE CORRECT WORD, OR OPERATORS. 
          ARE THEY LOCATED AT THIS LOCATION? YES. 
          THEY WOULD BE PHYSICALLY LOCATED AT STX EIGHT. 
          AND HOW MANY WOULD YOU ESTIMATE YOU'LL BE EMPLOYING? UH, INITIAL ESTIMATES WOULD BE BETWEEN 10 AND 15. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON OVERALL CUSTOMER DEMAND. 
          AND HOW MANY DRONES PER PILOT OR DOES YOUR SYSTEM ALLOW FOR A A, A SINGLE OPERATOR TO FLY DRONES PER OPERATOR? UM, I'D HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT 10 TO 15. 
          10 TO 15 LOCALLY BASED OPERATORS THAT WOULD BE PHYSICALLY LOCATED, UH, AT 30 51 RESEARCH DRIVE. 
          AND WOULD NEW PERSONS BE EMPLOYED TO, TO, UH, LOAD THE DRONES OR WOULD THAT BE EXISTING? UM, EMPLOYEES? UM, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO LEVERAGE THE, UH, WORKFORCE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT THE SITE. 
          UM, THIS MAY THEN REFLECT SOME, UM, NEW NET NEW JOB GROWTH, UH, IF WE SEE DEMAND PICK UP AS WELL. 
          WHAT'S SORT OF THE, UH, WHAT SORT OF THE INTEREST WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES AND THIS SITE BEING TRANSFERRED TO POTENTIALLY BEING TRANSFERRED TO ALSO A DRONE SITE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE FAVORABLE OR WE THINK, WE THINK THAT THEY'RE FAVORABLE. 
          WE THINK THAT THIS, THIS IS A HIGH PERFORMING SITE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS SITE TONIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OUR SITES, UM, ARE KIND OF THE, THE CORNERSTONE OF INNOVATION, AND WE LIKE TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY UPSKILL. 
          UM, THIS CREATES OPPORTUNITIES FOR FURTHER SKILLS DEVELOPMENT, MOVING INTO A NEW TECHNICAL KIND OF DELIVERY, UM, WHERE WE ARE UTILIZING NEW TECHNOLOGY BEYOND JUST DELIVERING AIR THROUGH OUR, UM, DELIVERY DRIVERS OR OUR, UH, ICONIC BLUE VANS. 
          SO SUPPLY CHAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, SO HOW HIGH, UH, WHEN THE DRONE IS, UH, HOVERING TO DELIVER THE PACKAGE AT THE HOME? YOU, YOU MENTIONED 12 FEET. 
          UM, BUT CAN IT DELIVER IT FROM A HIGH HIGHER ELEVATION? WE, UH, DOES IT HAVE TO GET THAT LOW? 
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IN OTHER WORDS, WITH THE TETHER TO DELIVER THE PACKAGE? SO WE DON'T UTILIZE A TETHER. 
          OURS IS A RELEASE. 
          SO THE BAY DOOR WOULD OPEN AND THE PACKAGE WOULD DROP OUT. 
          IT'S A CUSTOMIZED PACKAGE FOR THE DRONE, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DRONE DELIVERY. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE CONDUCTING IT AT THAT 12 FOOT UM, SPACE ALLOWS IT TO LAND SAFELY, NOT DAMAGE THE PRODUCT INSIDE, BUT ALSO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE GROUND TO DELIVER, BUT NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO CREATE ANY DISRUPTION REALLY. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD THINK 12 FEET MIGHT DAMAGE SOME GOODS, BUT YOU SAY IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT CUSHIONING OR IT'S A, LIKE A BUBBLE WRAP OR SOMETHING? IT'S THE BOX THAT GOES INSIDE THEM. 
          K 30 DRONE IS UNIQUE TO THE DRONE, SO IT'S NOT A TYPICAL PACKAGE THAT YOU WOULD GET IF WE DELIVERED BY VAN. 
          UM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL, UH, PROTECTION INSIDE SO THAT PRODUCT IS PROTECTED AND CAN HANDLE THAT FALL. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU BETTER SEND THAT TO ME. 
          SO IT DOES HAVE TO GET THAT LOW. 
          I MEAN, IN ORDER TO WORK, YOU COULDN'T DROP IT FROM SAY, 25 FEET HIGH. 
          I THINK AT THAT, UM, AT THAT HEIGHT, WE'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER ASPECTS IN THE ENVIRONMENT SUCH AS WIND, UM, THAT MAY MOVE THE BOX FROM ITS INTENDED TARGET WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO DELIVER THE PACKAGE. 
          AND SO FROM A PRECISION STANDPOINT, WE BELIEVE DELIVERING THAT CAN MOSTLY PROTECT THE PACKAGE, ENSURE THAT IT'S DELIVERED AT THE POINT THAT THE CUSTOMER ASSIGNED. 
          YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, AND, AND MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THIS, BUT I, I THOUGHT LIKE WITH ZIPLINE, THEY SAID THEIR TETHER COULD DROP LIKE FROM 300 FEET. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEIR OFFICE. 
          THEY SHAKING IT HEAD YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEIR OPERATION. 
          OURS, UH, IS A DROP WITHOUT ANY TETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          UH, SO THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          UM, I'M JUST THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, A TWO STORY HOME AND YOU'RE GOING IN THE BACKYARD, SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING BELOW THE ROOF LINE TO GET IN, SAY THE BACKYARD IN ORDER TO DROP THE PACKAGE. 
          THE DRONE'S COMING THAT LOW, THE DRONE WOULD, WOULD COME AGAIN TO THAT 12 FEET. 
          YEAH. 
          IT MIGHT BE WITHIN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, MIGHT BE WITHIN THEIR DRIVEWAY OR THEIR FRONT YARD. 
          UM, THE CUSTOMER HAS THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHERE THAT PLACE IS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IDENTIFY IF WE CAN SAFELY DELIVER. 
          SO, UH, SOMEBODY REQUESTING SERVICE HAS TO ASK FOR THE, THE DRONE DELIVERY. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST ASSIGN IT AND SAY, AND SEND IT, MAKE THE DECISION TO DELIVER IT BY DRONE TO SOMEBODY THAT REQUESTS. 
          SO THE, THE CUSTOMER HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO SECURE DRONE DELIVERY. 
          AND ACTUALLY ALREADY ON OUR WEBSITE, THERE'S, UH, FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW A CUSTOMER CAN, UH, UTILIZE DRONE DELIVERY OR HOW THEY CAN ALSO OPT OUT OF DRONE DELIVERY IF THEY DON'T WANT A DRONE DELIVERY AT THEIR RESIDENCE. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE AMAZON THAT DECIDES IF IT'S ACHIEVABLE TO DO THIS DELIVERY. 
          ULTIMATELY WE WILL DECIDE IF WE CAN SAFELY DELIVER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT MAY INCLUDE, AGAIN, NATURAL, UH, ASPECTS WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, IF YOU BOUGHT ONE ITEM AND THEN YOU BOUGHT OTHER ITEMS, WE MAY BE MORE EFFICIENT PACKAGE THAT INTO A BOX THAT GOES INTO A VAN OR WITH A DELIVERY DRIVER. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT WE LOOK AT IF WE CAN SAFELY MAKE THAT DELIVERY. 
          SO AGAIN, NOT ALL CUSTOMERS IN THE DELIVERY RANGE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, UM, FOR DRONE DELIVERY. 
          AND I'M JUST, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST ZEROING IN ON THIS KIND OF GETTING IN THE WEEDS HERE, BUT, UH, DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT THEN WOULD LOOK AT LIKE AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT HOME TO SEE IS THERE A CLEAR LANDING SPOT AND LOOK AT THE OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS AROUND THERE? CORRECT. 
          SO WE WOULD BE EVALUATING THE TERRITORY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE AIRSPACE TO SEE ARE WE ABLE TO OPERATE THERE? IF THIS PERSON, UM, REQUESTS THEIR OWN DELIVERY, CAN WE SAFELY DELIVERY? IF WE CANNOT, UM, THEN WE WILL NOTIFY THEM THAT THEY'RE GONNA RECEIVE THEIR PACKAGE THROUGH ONE OF OUR DELIVERY DRIVERS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE, AND THE PEOPLE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS ARE GONNA BE OUT OF THIS LOCATED AT THIS FACILITY? THEY'RE GONNA BE THE MONITORS BASED LOCALLY? YEAH. 
          AT OUR STX EIGHT SITE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A BROADER AIRSPACE TEAM THAT WORKS WITH OUR FEDERAL REG REGULATORY PARTNERS TO ALSO IDENTIFY ANY NEW OBSTRUCTIONS THAT MAY OCCUR. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF A NEW HOSPITAL WAS BUILT THAT HAD A HELIPAD, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THAT NEW ACCOUNT AND ADJUST OUR AIRSPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU RECHARGE OR PUT IN A, A FULLY RECHARGED BATTERY FOR EVERY FLIGHT. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS ACTUALLY THE LIFE OF THOSE BATTERIES? LIKE, HOW LONG CAN THEY RUN, DO YOU KNOW? UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE EARLY IN THE DEPLOYMENT OF THE MK 30 DRONE, BUT HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH MORE INFORMATION ON OUR BATTERY SYSTEMS. THAT'S ALSO INFORMATION THAT WE'LL BE PROVIDING TO THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THEIR BATTERY SYSTEMS PERMIT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AVERAGE FLIGHT TIME BACK AND FORTH IS THE GOAL IS TO DELIVER FOR CUSTOMERS IN 60 MINUTES OR LESS, AND IDEALLY EVEN LESS THAN THAT, I KNOW. 
          BUT THE ACTUAL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FLIGHT TIME FROM THE TIME IT TAKES OFF TO DELIVERS AND COMES BACK. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT AVERAGE FLIGHT TIME IS IF YOU ONLY CAN GO SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS? SO THE DRONE TRAVELS AT ABOUT, UM, 60 MILES PER HOUR. 
          UM, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU REGARDING, UH, WHAT THE NORM OR AVERAGE FLIGHT TIMES WE'VE SEEN BOTH AT COLLEGE STATION AND TOON ARIZONA. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA COMMENT ON, UH, ESTIMATED FLIGHT TIMES PROJECTED 
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AT THIS SITE AS WE DON'T HAVE APPROVAL TO OPERATE HERE YET. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WELL, IT'S 60 MILES AN HOUR AND YOU GO SEVEN AND A HALF MILES BACK AND FORTH WOULD BE 15 MILES AT, AT THE MOST. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR, THAT'S 15 MINUTES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF I GOT MY MATH RIGHT, UM, AND AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION? SO PROPOSED? YEAH, SO THE DAYLIGHT HOURS, UM, AS PRESCRIBED BY THE FAA AND AGAIN, THAT'LL VARY BY SEASON. 
          UM, BUT, UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT WILL CHANGE BASED ON, UH, DAYTIME START AND SUNSET. 
          BUT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, BALL PARKING BETWEEN SEVEN TO 8:00 AM AND, UH, BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE TO 10:00 PM BUT AGAIN, WILL VARY BY SEASON. 
          AND YOUR GROUND DELIVERY SERVICE, WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS FOR IT? GROUND DELIVERY SERVICE GENERALLY TAKES OFF IN WAVES STARTING, UM, WITHIN THE MORNING HOUR BETWEEN ABOUT NINE AND 10 30. 
          SO THEY USUALLY LEAVE AFTER MOST INDIVIDUALS HAVE ARRIVED TO THEIR PLACE OF WORK, HOME, SCHOOL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          AND WILL USUALLY DELIVER, UM, INTO THE EVENING. 
          UM, POTENTIALLY DEPEND ON THE, THE ROUTE AS LATE AS EIGHT 9:00 PM. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS IF THE, UM, PROPOSED, UM, ZONING, UM, STANDARDS OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS LIKE ON EXHIBIT, UH, FI THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. 
          EXHIBIT F UH, ONE B, UM, CHARACTERIZED, UH, A DRONE AS A BATTERY POWERED UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE WE'D HAVE OBJECTIONS AS WE ALREADY ARE THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE OBJECTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ONE OF MY CONCERNS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY'RE BATTERY POWERED TODAY, BUT YOU KNOW, IN A FEW YEARS THEY MAY BE, YOU MAY COME BACK AND SAY, UH, WELL NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO DO IT BY GAS POWER OR YEAH, YEAH. 
          AIR AIRCRAFT FUEL OR NUCLEAR POWER, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, THESE ARE BATTERY OPERATED. 
          WE BELIEVE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THIS IS A SUSTAINABLE MEANS, UM, TO UTILIZE, UH, AVAILABLE ELECTRICITY AT THE SITE TO POWER THE BATTERIES AND SAFELY CONDUCT THOSE DELIVERIES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M THINKING OF NOISE TOO. 
          UM, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC BATTERY POWERED DRONE IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE QUIETEST, BUT I'M NOT SURE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DRONES THAT AREN'T BATTERY POWERED? OUR, OURS ARE ALL BATTERY POWERED COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS FAR, AS FAR AS HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, IF THERE WAS, IF WE WERE TO PUT A LIMIT ON THAT, WHAT WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS? WE WOULD BE OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'D LIKE TO STIPULATE WITH STAFF SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION JUST TO ALIGN, UM, THEIR JURISDICTION, LOCAL JURISDICTION TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HARMONIZED. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE BETTER FOR FAA TO, TO DECIDE THAT. 
          I DUNNO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. POINTER? UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE LAST QUESTION ABOUT OURS, IT'S ALSO, I WOULD ADD IN, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COORDINATION WOULD BE RADIUS BECAUSE, UH, LARGER RADIUS MEANS MORE CUSTOMERS, AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE RESTRICTED TO 7.5, BUT IF THAT INCREASES, AGAIN, DON'T KNOW HOW TO COORDINATE BETWEEN CITY AND FAA AS WELL AS WEIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'M ASSUMING YOUR DRONE CAN CARRY MORE WEIGHT THAN WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO CARRY. 
          WE BELIEVE OUR DRONE CAN SAFELY CARRY A FIVE POUND DELIVERY FROM OUR SITE TO THE CUSTOMER. 
          IF WE WERE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO OUR MK 30 DRONE OR INTRODUCE A NEW VARIANT IN THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A NEW REVIEW BY THE FAA TO GIVE IT APPROVAL STATUS TO THEN OPERATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHATEVER COORDIN NOT TRYING TO SUPERSEDE FAA, BUT WHATEVER COORDINATION, BECAUSE RADIUS IS WHAT'S GONNA INCREASE, UH, USAGE. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          I, I THINK THE MORE WE GET INTO REGULATING THE VEHICLE ITSELF, WHETHER IT'S RADIUS CARRYING CAPACITY, EVEN BATTERY HOURS OF OPERATION, THAT IS STARTING TO GET INTO THE FA A'S PURVIEW, SOME OF THIS IS STILL A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA. 
          UM, CAN THEY BE NOTE, CAN THERE BE SOME TYPE OF NOTICE TO CITY STAFF THAT THIS HAS CHANGED? THEY CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH US FOR SURE. 
          I WOULD SAY IF IT'S NOT IN AN ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN'T OH, NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M TRYING TO PUT IN ORDINANCE, JUST COORDINATION THAT, THAT, THAT THOSE VARIABLES CHANGE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE CITY THAT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FEDERAL REGULATORY APPROVAL PROCESS, WE WILL COMMUNICATE ON THOSE MILESTONES. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE START TO GO THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT, UM, THE AIRSPACE AUTHORIZATION. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TO INTRODUCE A NEW DRONE, WE'RE ALREADY A MAJOR EMPLOYER INVESTOR IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE WOULD WANT TO DO RIGHT TO MAKE 
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SURE THAT WE ARE LOCAL, LOCALLY ENGAGED, PROVIDING THOSE UPDATES, GIVING STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW WHAT'S PERMITTED, USE, WHAT CHANGES MAY NEED TO BE MADE. 
          SO, UM, WE SEE OUR COMMUNICATION ONLY GROWING WITH THIS NEW INVESTMENT, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY IS HEARING DIRECTLY FROM AMAZON, UM, NOT JUST THE FAA. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          UH, SO WE WILL ASK YOU, UH, AFTER, UH, WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU STAFF. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD EITHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. 
          UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          I THINK WE HAD ONE, ONE WRITE IN CA, UH, REMARK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION. 
          THAT'S ME. 
          YEP. 
          JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S, UH, DANTE LOPEZ. 
          I'M AT 3 5 1 7 HARTON LANE. 
          I'M BASICALLY, UH, DO EAST, UH, ON, UH, CREEK HOLLOW ABOUT A HALF MILE, BUT ACROSS FROM THE OLD FUJITSU CELESTICA, UH, FACILITY. 
          AND SO, YES, I DID ATTEND, UH, SAM'S UH, MEETING, UH, BACK IN FEBRUARY IN TERMS OF INFORMATIONAL EXCHANGE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE TWO EMAILS, I BELIEVE. 
          SO MY FIRST, UH, CONCERN IS YEAH, THE REFERENCE TO, UH, METHODIST RICHARDSON AND THE ACTIVE, UH, EMERGENCY HELICOPTER PORT THERE. 
          UM, I WOULDN'T FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT THE FAA WILL INSTITUTE SOME LEVEL OF A NO-FLY ZONE. 
          UM, SAM DID REPLY TO MY NOTE, BUT BASICALLY NO FLY ZONE CAN HAVE A, UH, AN EFFECTIVE CONCENTRATION OF TRAFFIC. 
          SO IF THAT NO-FLY ZONE SET IN, SAY SET AT, AT, UH, ONE HALF MILE, UH, IT'S COINCIDENTALLY ONE HALF MILE FROM THE HELIPORT TO THE, UH, DRONE, UH, LOCATION, AND ABOUT A HALF MILE FROM THE DRONE, FROM THE HELIPORT TO THE EDGE OF CREEK HOLLOW ESTATES, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT, UH, AMAZON WOULD HAVE TO FLY AROUND THAT NO-FLY ZONE. 
          AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS CREATE A CONCENTRATION OF TRAFFIC THAT THEN COULD OVERFLY, UH, THE CREEK HOLLOW OR POTENTIALLY PEOPLE TO THE WEST. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND DIVIDE IT INTO A PIE, YOU'D HAVE ABOUT 25% OF THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC GOING NORTH, OR ANYTHING FROM NORTHEAST TO NORTHWEST AS A NORTHERN CUSTOMER OUT TO WHATEVER RANGE AND PERMIT BY THE FAA BEING CONCENTRATED THROUGH WHAT I CALL CORRIDOR NOW. 
          SO CURRENTLY THERE COULD BE PROVISIONS WHERE MULTI ROUTING IS PUT IN, BUT BASICALLY IT'S A OPEN BOOK AT THIS MEETING'S APPROVAL AS TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE TO TOLERATE FROM A NOISE POINT OF VIEW. 
          AND THAT'S, TO ME, IS A CONCERN THAT CAN'T BE ADDRESSED AT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING. 
          BUT IF THE FAO ONLY DICTATES WHAT THE RESTRICTION IS, THAT THEN LEAVES IT ON OUR BACKS TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE ANNOYANCE FACTOR AND THE, UH, VISUAL EFFECTS OF THE, UH, DRONES FLYING OVER. 
          SO THAT WAS 0.1. 
          AND I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONDITION OR AMENDMENT TO ANY APPROVALS AS TO WHAT MUST BE MITIGATED IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR. 
          IF IT'S SHORTER RANGE, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING OVER BOEING OR, UH, COLLINS, UH, AEROSPACE THERE IN THAT AREA. 
          THE SECOND COMMENT, AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE FREQUENCY QUESTION THAT CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, AND GENERALLY THEY'RE LOOKING AT A DIRECT LINE OF, UH, TRANSMISSION OR OUT AND BACK. 
          UM, BEING WHERE I AM, IT IS A HALF MILE. 
          I REALLY CAN'T TELL HOW MANY TIMES I WOULD GET AN OVER FLIGHT OR SOMETHING, SAY WITHIN A 10 TO 15 HOUSE RADIUS OF MY HOUSE. 
          I'M WORK FROM HOME, I'M HOME ALL DAY. 
          I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THE BACKYARD, ESPECIALLY, IT GETS WARMER. 
          I WALK FREQUENTLY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE DRONES BUZZING OVER MY HEAD ALL DAY. 
          SO I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUSINESS MODEL QUESTION, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS I HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS AS TO HOW OFTEN I WOULD BE AGGRAVATED BY THIS. 
          NOW, YES, I'M A LITTLE TESTY 'CAUSE THERE IS A, A HIGH LEVEL OF AMBIENT NOISE ALREADY IN THE AREA WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE, UH, I 90, UH, WE HAVE FREQUENTLY CARS RACING UP AND DOWN. 
          WE NOW HAVE SEMI-TRUCK COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO YES, THE ANNOYANCE LEVEL, AS WITH ALL THE INDUSTRY AND, UH, TRUCK BAYS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED, HAS CREATED A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE TO THE LEVEL OF, UH, COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC THROUGH THE AREA. 
          SO NOW THIS WOULD ADD ANOTHER ONEROUS IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY SECOND POINT. 
          I DIDN'T LISTEN IN THE WING CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO ALTERNATE ROUTES. 
          I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE PROVISION WOULD BE, BUT MY CONDITION WOULD BE NO MORE THAN FIVE OVER FLIGHTS A DAY. 
          SO THOSE WERE MY TWO MAIN CONCERNS THAT I WANTED TO, UH, BRING UP. 
          I DO RESPECT THAT THEY'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS EARLIER, BUT THAT DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANKS ALL. 
          ERIC MCMURRAY, 2 9 9 1 GREENFIELD DRIVE, UH, 7 5 0 8 2 VERY CLOSE TO WHERE HE IS ACTUALLY ABOUT 1100 
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METERS FROM THIS SITE. 
          UM, SO I WON'T REPEAT IT ALL 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T WANNA HEAR THE SAME THING TWICE. 
          BUT WHAT HE SAID ALSO, UM, AND MR. JEFF CAUGHT, UH, A, A PARTICULAR THING HERE THAT I REALLY WANNA POINT OUT. 
          SO THE, THE NOISE IS NOT LIKE A DIESEL TRUCK, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT LEVEL OF DECIBELS FOR A DIESEL TRUCK IS GOING TO SOUND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO WHAT A DRONE DOES. 
          NOW, NOW, PROPS TO THESE GUYS, THE, THE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCEMENT THEY'RE DOING IS REALLY GOOD. 
          AND WE'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, LONGTIME AMAZON CUSTOMER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M ACTUALLY A TECHNOLOGIST, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT ANTI AMAZON HERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT SAID THAT IT ISN'T QUITE BAKED AND I, AND I'M NOT A FAN OF HAVING THIS STUFF BAKED OVER MY HEAD. 
          UM, SO BACK TO MY SOUND POINT, THE, THE PREVIOUS DRONES, THE MK 60, I THINK IT WAS, WERE, WERE DESCRIBED AS, AS YOU KNOW, A VERY LARGE ANGRY PACK OF BEES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, 40% IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE A, A HALF OF A HIVE OF BEES FLYING OVER OUR HEADS ALL THE TIME. 
          THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A DIESEL TRUCK. 
          IT IS ACTUALLY QUITE DISTRACTING. 
          I'M SURE ALL OF US HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, DRONES OVERHEAD AND, AND YOU NOTICE 'EM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, TWO, 300 FEET, YOU, YOU'LL NOTICE A DRONE. 
          THESE ARE LARGE DRONES, THEY HAVE TO STAY BELOW 400 FEET. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE QUITE NOTICEABLE. 
          SO, SO JUST, JUST A BIT OF OBJECTION FROM ME AS A, AS A, YOU KNOW, ALSO STAYING AT HOME RESIDENT WHO, WHO DOESN'T WANT THESE THINGS FLYING OVER MY HEAD ALL THE TIME. 
          SO THANKS, THANKS TO ALL GREAT PRESENTATION BY THE WAY. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          JAMES DANON, 32 11 TAMARA CHAND LANE. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY REACH OUT TO THE CITIES THAT HAVE IT AND ASK THEM WHAT THEIR PROBLEMS ARE, WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, SHE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE COLLEGE STATION STUFF AND I HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH ON IT, BUT THAT'D BE A GREAT RESOURCE. 
          THE TWO PLACES THAT ARE FLYING 'EM, JUST FIND OUT WHAT PROBLEMS THEY'RE HAVING OR IF THEY LIKE 'EM, DON'T LIKE 'EM. 
          THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT? SURE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, DANTE, ERIC AND JAMES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ENGAGEMENT IN THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, JUST ON THE FIRST COMMENT, UM, AS WE LOOK AT, AGAIN, I'LL USE METHODIST RICHARDSON MEDICAL CENTER AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          WE ESTABLISHED A HALF A KILOMETER, NO FLY ZONE AT THE POINT OF THAT HELIPORT, AND ALSO WORK WITH THE OPERATORS THAT THE HOSPITAL UTILIZES SO THAT WE ARE NOT INTERFERING, UM, WITH ANY OF THEIR ACTIVITIES. 
          THIS SITE IS INTENDED TO SERVE, UM, THE ENTIRE RADIUS OF OUR DELIVERY RANGE, SO 360 DEGREES. 
          UM, GRANTED, IF THERE WERE THAT NO FLY ZONE, WE WOULD CREATE A VARIETY OF ROUTES TO TRANSIT DELIVERIES THAT ARE GOING NORTHBOUND. 
          BUT NOW THAT THE SITE IS SERVING CUSTOMERS IN ALL DIRECTIONS, SO WE CAN VARY THE ROUTES AND ALSO VARY THE ELEVATION, WHICH THE DRONE FLIES, UM, THE SOUND INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO STAFF, AGAIN, WAS DONE IN A CONTROL ENVIRONMENT, DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR AMBIENT NOISES. 
          UM, AND, UM, AGAIN, TO JUST REITERATE, UM, COLLEGE STATION TEXAS CONDUCTED THEIR OWN SOUND STUDY OF OUR OPERATIONS THERE AND FOUND THAT WE FELL WITHIN THEIR MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE SOUND LEVELS. 
          UM, AND WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS WITH THE INTEGRATION OF OUR NEWEST DRONE. 
          UM, SO JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT FOLLOW UP. 
          AND I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          DO YOU OWN, DOES AMAZON OWN THE SITE OR IS IT LEASING IT? WE ARE LEASING IT FROM CLARION PARTNERS. 
          UH, WE'VE SECURED LANDLORD CONSENT TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS PDA PROJECT OR PPDA ON DEVELOPMENT AMOUNT. 
          DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH, KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE LEFT ON YOUR LEASE? UH, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, SEEING NO OTHER SPEAKERS, I'D MOVE THAT WOULD CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          UM, WELL, I JUST, AGAIN, I THINK THAT, UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT ARE THESE DRONES GONNA BE? HOW BIG ARE THEY? UH, WHAT SIZE AND HOW ARE THEY POWERED? UM, OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN GET INTO THAT, UM, ARE ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE FAA. 
          UM, SO, BUT I I, IT SEEMS TO ME WE COULD TAKE SOME STEPS HERE TO MAYBE TRY TO CONTROL IT AS, AS SOMEWHAT, UM, AND AGAIN, MY TWO THOUGHTS WERE JUST REALLY 
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ABOUT THE, UH, THE BATTERY POWERED AND MAYBE THE HOURS OF OPERATION JUST IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, I AGREE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ABOUT PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE IN THAT FLIGHT PATH COMING AND GOING. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S GONNA DEFINITELY BECOME MORE AND MORE PROMINENT. 
          AND, UH, I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS OF BEING ABLE TO DELIVER, YOU KNOW, IN THIS FASHION RATHER THAN USE USING A, A VAN OR A TRUCK. 
          SO, UM, THAT LAST PART ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA RUN WITH THE LAND. 
          SO IF, UM, IF AMAZON DECIDES TO MOVE, MOVE, NOT RENEW, ITS LEASE. 
          I MEAN, THIS WOULD ACTUALLY STICK WITH THE LAND, SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR ANOTHER OPERATOR POTENTIALLY TO COME IN THERE. 
          UM, SO THIS COULD, UH, CONTINUE. 
          UM, ANYWAY, THOSE ARE JUST KINDA MY GENERAL THOUGHTS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE OR HAVE A MOTION? I'LL WEIGH IN. 
          YEAH, KELLER. 
          SO LIKE WE DISCUSSED THE, THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME UP IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS IS IN THEORY, A VERY GOOD IDEA. 
          I THINK THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF POSITIVE ASPECTS TO, UM, HOW A FACILITY LIKE THIS, UH, MIGHT HAVE A, A POSITIVE IMPACT ON, UM, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, OF COURSE, UM, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, POLLUTION REDUCTION BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MANY. 
          UM, BUT I, I GUESS ONE THING THAT, THAT I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH AND I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR OTHER COMMISSIONER'S POINTS OF VIEW ON, IS AGAIN, THIS IDEA IN MY MIND THAT, UM, WE'RE EVALUATING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS FACILITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPERTY. 
          AND, AND REALLY WE HAVE A, IN MY MIND, UH, AN IMPACT ON A, A MUCH BROADER AREA, UM, THAN WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON. 
          UM, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE QUITE LIKE THAT IN TERMS OF ANYTHING THAT, UH, AT LEAST THAT I'VE EVER SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK I'M KIND OF INTERNALLY STRUGGLING WITH, UM, BECAUSE IN COMBINATION WITH THAT, WE, WE HAVE A, UH, A USE THAT DOES, I THINK ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE POSITIVE IMPACTS HAVE SOME VERY REAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS IN MY MIND. 
          UM, OF COURSE, THE SOUND BEING ONE OF THEM, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY I THINK COULD HAVE A, A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT OF, OF THEIR PROPERTY, UM, AND IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          UM, AND AND TIED TO THAT IS THE UNCERTAINTY. 
          AND WHILE WE HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, ALL THE RELEVANT STAKEHOLDERS COMING OUT AND SHARING THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND, AND GIVING US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, THEIR PROGRAMS. UH, THERE THERE ARE STILL MANY QUESTIONS I THINK THAT, THAT REMAIN UNANSWERED, UM, AND REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, UM, THE FACT THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A ROUGH IDEA OF HOW MANY DRONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW MANY FLIGHTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE ARE POTENTIALLY GOING, RECOGNIZING THAT THE FAA REGULATES, UM, THE DRONES WHEN THEY GET INTO THE AIR, THERE'S STILL, THERE'S THIS GRAY AREA, RIGHT? THERE'S THIS LINE, UH, AND THAT WE, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF TRAVERSE BACK AND FORTH ON, UM, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON, ON LAND USE, UM, AGAIN, BOTH RIGHT THERE AT THIS LOCATION AS WELL AS, UM, IN A BROADER AREA. 
          AND SO, UM, I GUESS TO, TO SUM THAT UP, I'M, I'M UNCERTAIN AND I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR, UM, ANY FEEDBACK THAT, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE ON, ON SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS. 
          COMMISSIONER POYNTER? UH, WELL, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY EXCITING, INNOVATIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR RICHARDSON. 
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I THINK IT HAS TO BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED, AND WE'RE A STOP ALONG THE WAY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING 'CAUSE OF THE PRIMARY, UH, OVERSIGHT IS WITH THE FAA, UH, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT IT DOES BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS, UH, IN THAT THEY RECEIVE THE THINGS THAT THEY ORDER. 
          SO IF YOU'RE WORKING AT HOME AND YOU ORDER, SO FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, IT'S OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE CREATING THAT, THAT DEMAND. 
          UH, BUT JUST FROM, UM, OPPORTUNITY STANDPOINT, IT'S QUITE AN INNOVATIVE OPPORTUNITY THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED. 
          BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS FOR THIS FACILITY TO BE LOCATED HERE IN RICHARDSON. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS IN ARIZONA, SO THAT'S TWO IN, IN THE U IN THE US SO I'LL JUST MENTION THAT. 
          DON'T WANNA GET TOO EXCITED, OVERLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT, BUT I DID. 
          THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP. 
          AND THAT'S IN A, IN A TECH INTERESTED, TECH SAVVY COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT'S A, A POSITIVE MR. BEACH, UM, THIS MAY BE MORE ONE FOR STAFF. 
          I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THERE NO OTHER WAY TO GIVE THIS RIGHT? WITHOUT JUST SAYING IT'S TIED TO THE LAND, WHOEVER HAS THE LAND CAN HAVE DRONES. 
          I'M, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IF, IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY, LET, LET'S DISCUSS THAT OTHER WAY. 
          DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? UM, I'M, I THINK ONE OPTION COULD BE THE SPECIAL PERMIT ROUTE. 
          UM, IF, IF THERE WAS GREAT CONCERN OVER THE OPERATOR OF THE SITE, I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S ONLY SIX THAT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THAT FA CURRENTLY, BUT WHO KNOWS, THAT COULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, SO IF, IF YOU WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE, YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT, OR YOU COULD PUT IN A CONDITION, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, UM, YOU MIGHT NEED A LITTLE HELP ON THIS ONE, BUT, UM, IF WE COULD PUT A CONDITION IN THE PD THAT LIMITS IT TO, TO AMAZON. 
          YEAH, I, I, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, WE'D HAVE TO CHECK THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE'S A, A WAY FOR US TO DO THAT. 
          THE WAY THIS IS TYPICALLY HANDLED IS, IS, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE WHATEVER YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU WOULD BUILD THOSE REGULATIONS INTO THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO AGAIN, THERE ARE, THERE IS SOME GRAY AREA HERE. 
          SO, UM, OUR ULTIMATE ABILITY TO ENFORCE SOME OF THIS STUFF IS, IS STILL UP, UP IN THE AIR, NO PUN INTENDED. 
          BUT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION, WE COULD PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, THE BATTERY POWERED, WE COULD PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE OPERATOR'S WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THOSE THINGS, THEN, THEN, THEN THERE'S NO ISSUE. 
          UM, IF, IF THERE WAS SOME DISAGREEMENT IN THE FUTURE BY AMAZON OR A FUTURE OPERATOR, THEN WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, THE FAA TO, TO, TO LITIGATE THAT, UM, TO, TO BE THE ULTIMATE ARBITER OF, OF WHO, UH, OR HOW THAT, HOW THAT WOULD GOVERN. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE APPROPRIATE MIDDLE GROUND, IS TO TRY AND, UH, FIND SOME WAYS IN THE ORDINANCE TO, REGARDLESS OF USER, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS, UM, AND, AND STIPULATE THOSE IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          I GUESS ANOTHER CONCERN WOULD BE IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF ANY CHANGES TO WAIT DELIVERY AREA, WHICH WE DON'T OVERSEE, BUT WHICH WE'D LIKE TO TRANSPORTATION MANAGER OR WHOMEVER YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE TO BE NOTIFIED. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          FORMAL NOTIFICATION, I GUESS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONER ACK. 
          SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, WHY THIS WAS PRESENTED AS A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST INSTEAD OF JUST CHANGING THE PD. 
          I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON, I MEAN, YOU, BECAUSE WE, WE CAN WRITE ALL THESE THINGS INTO CHANGING THE, OR THE ORDINANCE, BUT THIS IS A TEST. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KINDA FOREVER UNLESS WE GO THROUGH IT AND CHANGE IT AGAIN. 
          SO WHY WOULD IT NOT BE A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST SPECIFIC TO AMAZON? SO THE, THE, THE REASON IT'S NOT A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST IS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A, ASIDE FROM LIMITING IT TO AMAZON, IT IT'D BE THE SAME PROCESS WHETHER YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND AMENDING THE SITE PLAN, UM, ADDING THE USE. 
          UM, YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, YOU COULD DO THAT THROUGH A SPECIAL PERMIT OR YOU COULD DO IT THROUGH THE PD IF YOU, IF YOU WERE GOING TO AMEND A P THINK ABOUT IT. 
          WHAT WE HAD TO DO FOR THE, UM, THE IQ ZONING THAT WE JUST DID FOR THE DRONE OPERATION MAINTENANCE CENTER, FIRST, 
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WE HAD TO AMEND THAT ZONING TO ALLOW THAT AS A USE TO REQUEST A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR. 
          AND THEN ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DO THAT COMES IN TO REQUEST THAT SPECIAL PERMIT. 
          SO IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS. 
          UM, THIS IS THE SAME WAY TO GET TO THAT END, UH, USING A A ONE STEP PROCESS. 
          UM, EXCEPT FOR THAT, IT'S LIMITED TO, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO, UM, UH, AMAZON THROUGH A SPECIAL PERMIT. 
          UM, I WILL SAY MOST CITIES DO NOT SPECIFY USERS IN SPECIAL PERMITS. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS, IS DONE FREQUENTLY. 
          THERE ARE, UH, A COUPLE OF USE TYPES IN RICHARDSON WHERE WE DO THAT, UH, DAYCARES AND, UM, MASSAGE PARLORS AND UM, UM, UH, CERTAIN RESTAURANTS. 
          UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WIDELY USED TOOL FOR EVERY SPECIAL PERMIT THAT WE DO. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO, IT DOES. 
          IT TOTALLY DOES. 
          AND, AND I MEAN, I, I GUESS I'M STILL ON THE FENCE AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, I SEE THE INNOVATION HERE. 
          I SEE THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT THERE'S STILL SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CREATES THE ISSUE FOR ME. 
          ME TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK, I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE CITIES REGULATING CERTAIN THINGS AND FAA REGULATING CERTAIN THINGS, THAT, THAT UNCERTAINTY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THERE REGARDLESS OF WHO THE USER IS. 
          I THINK THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY USERS, OTHER THAN AMAZON WOULD TAKE A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY THIS LARGE WITH A DRONE OPERATION FACILITY LIKE THIS. 
          UM, YOU, YOU'RE REALLY DWINDLING DOWN THE, THE UNIVERSE OF POSSIBILITIES FOR, FOR WHO THIS WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          EVEN IF, EVEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENED IN AMAZON DID VACATE THE PREMISES, THAT ABSOLUTELY TRUE . 
          ABSOLUTELY TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I I, IT DOES COME DOWN TO US FOR, AS A LAND USE MATTER, RIGHT? UH, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GOVERN THE AIR USE AND, UH, BUT THE AIR USE CAN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THE LAND USE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT IT FROM A LAND, JUST A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, O OBVIOUSLY HAVING THIS DRONE OP, DELIVERY OP CENTER, YOU KNOW, ON THE GROUND WHERE IT IS IN RELATION TO THE BUILDING IN THE PARKING LOT IN AN I AM ONE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, GIVES ME NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THAT BY ITSELF, JUST PURE LAND USE OF OKAY, WHAT'S BEING BUILT? YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT STRUCTURE LOOK LIKE? LAUNCH PADS, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE, PROTECTION, YOU KNOW, BUT WAY PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM THE ROAD FROM BRECKENRIDGE ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STREETS IN A AREA WHERE THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL IS 900 FEET AWAY, RIGHT? SO NO ISSUE WITH THAT WHATSOEVER. 
          IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU GET INTO THE AIR THAT IT'S, AND LANDING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR FLYING IN THE FLIGHT PASS, AND HOW HIGH AND HOW NOISY THEY ARE, AND WHAT TYPES OF FUEL AND HOW BIG THEY ARE. 
          YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE REALLY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IN VERY LITTLE IN THE LAND USE. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S COMFORT IN KNOWING THAT IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THE FAA, THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS. 
          AND THOSE ARE, I CAN TELL YOU, DEALING WITH THE  FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS ARE VERY COMPREHENSIVE, LENGTHY, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY ENCOURAGES THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE, IN TERMS OF THE AIR USE, THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN. 
          'CAUSE WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY HERE. 
          SO YEAH, WE COULD STOP IT COMPLETELY BY SAYING, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT. 
          OR PUTTING SO MANY RESTRICTIONS ON IT THAT THEY'D SAY, IT'S NOT WORKABLE HERE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY WHERE I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUES AND CONCERNS ARE GONNA GET VETTED, IS IN THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS AND THE FAA AND THAT'S WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS TO COME OUT AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT AN AREA, THIS IS MY, THESE ARE MY CONCERNS. 
          WHAT CAN YOU DO TO, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE THAT? AND, UH, AND THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF THE DRONE OR, YOU KNOW, HOW HIGH THEY CAN GO OR HOW FAST THEY CAN GO OR, UM, BUT I, I STILL 
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THINK THAT THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, I, I KEEP RE WRESTLING WITH, UM, I, I THINK THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS CLEARLY SAID THAT BY APPROVING, UH, THE ORDINANCE AND, AND CHANGES TO THE IQ ZONING, THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE CITY COUNCIL IS IN FAVOR OF ENCOURAGING THIS TYPES OF USE FOR RICHARDSON TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, CENTER OF, OF THIS INNOVATION TECHNOLOGY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR. 
          SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT COLLEGE STATION TO GET ALL THE CREDIT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD GET SOME OF IT OF THE CREDIT TOO. 
          AND I THINK IT, UM, UM, SO IN, IN, IN THAT, THAT REGARDS, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, I WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CRITICS OF THE, THE LAST ONE BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, IT WAS TOO BROAD. 
          UM, HERE, I THINK WE, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT IN UNDERSTANDING IT. 
          AND, UM, THE ONLY OTHER CHANGES I WOULD LOOK TO MAKE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ADDING THAT, YOU KNOW, DRONE, A DRONE IS A, A BATTERY POWERED ONE, JUST TO PROTECT US A LITTLE BIT THERE, THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO ROCKET DRONES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          AND THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION COULD BE LIMITED TO, YOU KNOW, 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM OR SOMETHING OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SUNRISE TO SUNSET, UH, MAYBE IS BETTER, YOU KNOW, DAYLIGHT HOURS. 
          AND THEN AT LEAST IT'S NOT HAPPENING AT NIGHT. 
          AND SO CAN WE ADD IN FORMAL COMMUNICATION REGARDING ANY CHANGES IN STANDING, OPERATING, UH, STANDING OPERATING PROCEDURES GOES TO? CAN THAT BE ADDED IN CHARLES, WITHOUT IT BEING NOTIFICATION? WHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU ADD THAT? OH, AT THE END NOTIFICATION THAT, THAT, CAN YOU ASK FOR NOTIFICATION? DO YOU WANT NOTIFICATION? I, I THINK YOU COULD ADD A, A, AN I UNDER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT JUST SAYS, UM, WILL BE NOT CITY WILL BE NOTIFIED, DESIGNATED ANY CHANGES IN, IN, IN CURRENT, YEAH. 
          APPROVED OPERATIONS IN, IN DRONE OPERATIONS IMPACTING, UM, UH, THE, THE APPROVED VEHICLE, THE RANGE OF THE VEHICLE, OR, UM, OUR HOURS OR PAYLOAD WEIGHT. 
          YEAH, PAYLOAD WEIGHT, UH, WILL BE COMMUNICATED TO, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THE RESIDENTS, WE NEED TO BE WATCHFUL FOR THEM. 
          SO I JUST QUICKLY WANTED TO ADD TO SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING, BRIAN, WITH, UM, I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, AND, AND I AGREE WITH, WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I ALSO, I STILL AGAIN, HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE, THE UNKNOWNS OF THE PROCESS. 
          I MEAN, YOU, WE SAY, OR, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT THE, THE FAA, UH, REVIEW, UM, IS, IS RIGOROUS, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE FAA REVIEW PROCESS ENTAILS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PART OF THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC LOOKS LIKE IN THAT. 
          UM, DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? I CAN TELL YOU FROM 12 YEARS THAT THE PROCESS IS RIGOROUS. 
          AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, THESE ARE MAJOR COMPANIES. 
          IT'S, IT'S A RIGOROUS PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PART OF THAT? I'VE SEEN PUBLIC COMMENT, YES. 
          FOR THE LAST, SINCE 2012 WHEN THE DRONE INDUSTRY STARTED TO OPEN UP. 
          YES. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE IS OF THIS SPECIFIC, HAVE YOU SEEN NO, WITH, WITH REGARD TO THE FAA REVIEW, HOW IS THE PUBLIC NOTIFIED? WHAT DOES THE PARTICIPATION LOOK LIKE? HOW IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WEIGHED? YOU CAN REGISTER TO WEIGH IN ON PUBLIC. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THE FA, BUT YOU CAN REGISTER TO WEIGH IN. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN GO LOOK AT PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, BUT I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE MONITORED IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT IT'S AN, AN ADEQUATE PROCESS. 
          I MEAN, WITH, WITH ZONING, WE HAVE REGULATIONS IN PLACE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED, I BELIEVE, 
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WITHIN TWO MILES. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? OF THE, UM, PROPOSED PROPERTY WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A ZONING CHANGE? 200 FEET. 
          200 FEET, YEAH. 
          MY MISTAKE POINT IS THERE'S, THERE'S A BOUNDARY LINE, AND WE, WE HAVE A DEFINITIVE RULE IN PLACE THAT WE KNOW DEFINITIVELY THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THIS ARE GOING TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BE HEARD. 
          AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THIS CASE IS EXCEPTIONALLY UNIQUE BECAUSE THE IMPACT IS SO MUCH BROADER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO BE PASSING THROUGH THAT AREA AND SEEING THAT PARTICULAR NOTICE, UM, UNLESS THEY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT, THEY PROBABLY, UH, WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN IT. 
          AND, UM, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER, I DON'T THINK ON WHAT THE FAA REVIEW LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS IS THROUGH THE FAA, THAT'S, THAT'S TROUBLESOME FOR ME. 
          E ESPECIALLY ON SOMETHING LIKE DRONES. 
          DO YOU THINK THAT, THAT THE HOMEOWNER MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND THE BOARD, IF, IF AS CITED, IS KIND OF MORE OUR PURVIEW, IF THAT'S WHAT I CONSIDER OUR LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HEARING FROM THOSE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OR THOSE BOARDS, THOSE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS? YEAH, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK THE, UH, THE HOA, UM, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, IS IMPORTANT FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS APPLYING FOR A ZONING, UH, MODIFICATION LIKE THIS, TO, TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS. 
          THEY HAVE HEARD. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          YEAH, THEY DID MEET WITH THE CREEK HOLLOW STATE'S NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS SPEAKING TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE, UH, FEDERAL PERMITTING PROCESS MM-HMM . 
          UM, IT IS OUTLINED A LITTLE BIT IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          IT DOES TAKE ABOUT SIX TO 12 MONTHS. 
          UM, THEY DO HAVE TO DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY ON WHO THE NOTICE GOES OUT TO. 
          UM, IT IS THE, THE NOTICE IS POSTED ON THE FEDERAL REGISTER. 
          IT'S MAILED DIRECTLY TO NEARBY RESIDENCE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT NOTIFICATION ZONE IS. 
          UM, AND AFTERWARDS AT THE FA, WE'LL PROVIDE A FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FINDING OF NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OR RECORD OF DECISION. 
          UM, AND SO ONCE, ONCE THEY GO THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS, AND THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THE FEDERAL APPROVALS, UM, AMAZON WILL CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH FAA ON THE STATUS OF THE DRONES. 
          UM, AND ANY INCIDENTS THAT MIGHT OCCUR, ANY ISSUES, UM, WOULD NEED TO BE REPORTED. 
          UM, THE PROVISION OF NO FLY ZONES AND ADHERING TO THAT. 
          SO, UM, SO I MEAN, THERE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROCESS IS OUTLINED. 
          UM, BUT, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE NOTIFICATION ZONE FOR THE FEDERAL REVIEW PROCESS, I'M NOT SURE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION HERE. 
          UM, SO I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UM, ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH FOUR, UH, WITH FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS THAT UNDER, UH, ONE B. 
          UM, A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE IS DEFINED AS A BATTERY POWERED UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT, UH, WE ADD UNDER, UH, ONE B, UH, UH, SUBSECTION TWO, UH, THE CDH, THE HOURS OF OBSERVATION OF THE CDH SHALL BE LIMITED TO SUNRISE TO SUNSET. 
          THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          GOT A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED, UH, COMMISSIONER BONAC AND KELLER ARE OPPOSED, BUT IT PASSES THREE TO TWO. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. 
          UH, WE'LL COME BACK HERE AT EIGHT, UH, EIGHT FIFTY ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION BACK TO ORDER. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          UH, WE 
          [4. Zoning File 25-05 PD Planned Development – Point North Residence: Consider and act on a request to change the zoning on 2-acres east of Synergy Park Boulevard, on the south side of Point North Parkway from R-2000-M Residential with Special Conditions to PD Planned Development for R-2000-M Residential to allow the construction of one (1) single-family dwelling. Owner: Dennis Collins representing Four Collins Group Corporation. Staff: Andrew Bogda.]
HAVE ONE MORE CASE 
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ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, ZONING FILE DASH 25 0 5, PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR POINT NORTH RESIDENCE. 
          ANDREW, I'LL LET YOU TAKE US THROUGH THIS MIC. 
          MICROPHONE, ANDREW MICROPHONE. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING AGAIN. 
          THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, FOR TONIGHT IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING REQUEST FOR, UM, THE POINT NORTH RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 10 25 POINT NORTH PARKWAY. 
          UM, SO JUST TO ORIENT EVERYONE WITH THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF POINT NORTH PARKWAY, UM, EAST OF SYNERGY PARK BOULEVARD, UH, LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE CANYON CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY, LIMITING THE USE OF THE PROPERTY TO A COUNTRY CLUB. 
          UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE, UM, AS ADOPTED WITH THE, UH, ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, IN NOVEMBER WAS FOR, UM, DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS PART OF THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, UH, PLACE TYPE. 
          HOWEVER, UM, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE MAP, UM, IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S LOCATED ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH SIDES. 
          UM, SO THE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE DESIGNATED IN THE COMP PLAN AREN'T MEANT TO BE A GUIDE AND NOT NECESSARILY SET IN STONE. 
          AND SO IF A PROPERTY'S LOCATED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY ADJACENT TO ANOTHER PLACE TYPE, UM, IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE, UM, TO APPLY THAT, UM, THAT PLACE TYPE TO, UM, TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR A REZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL, UM, WITH, UH, SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR PRODUCTIVE USE OF THE SITE. 
          UM, JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON, UM, THE PROPERTY, UM, AND HOW IT CAME TO BE, UM, AS IT IS TODAY. 
          UM, SO THE CURRENT ZONING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, WITH THOSE, UH, SPECIAL CONDITIONS LIMITING THE USE TO A COUNTRY CLUB, UH, WERE APPROVED BACK IN 1977, UM, MORE THAN 40 YEARS AGO WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PART OF THE LARGER COUNTRY CLUB TRACTED, UM, PRIOR TO A LOT OF THIS AREA DEVELOPING. 
          UM, IN 1987, UM, THE TWO ACRE SUBJECT PARCEL, UM, THAT YOU SEE OUTLINED HERE, UM, WAS DONATED TO, UH, THE RICHARDSON ISD. 
          UM, THE, THE ISD NEVER REALLY MADE USE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND SOLD IT TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER IN 2017. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT'S, UH, THE PRAIRIE CREEK IS LOCATED MOSTLY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND SO THE CREEK REALLY CUTS OFF THE, THE PROPERTY FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTRY CLUB. 
          UM, SO THAT'S MOST LIKELY WHY THE COUNTRY CLUB PARCELED THAT OFF AND SOLD IT OFF, UM, BACK IN 1987. 
          UM, AND CURRENTLY, UH, TODAY IN 2025, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A REZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO A PD TO ALLOW ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO BE BUILT ON THE SITE. 
          UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE, UM, SITE PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN RECENTLY. 
          UM, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON THE SITE FROM POINT NORTH PARKWAY. 
          UM, GIVES A BROAD VIEW OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE GET A LITTLE CLOSER IN, UM, THIS IS LOOKING, UH, TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST FROM POINT NORTH PARKWAY. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UM, UH, PRAIRIE CREEK RUNNING THROUGH THE SITE. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE GO TO THE FINAL, UM, PICTURE, THIS IS LOOKING EAST FROM POINT NORTH PARKWAY, THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A, UM, A VIEW OF THE SITE AS YOU, AS YOU LOOK EAST. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, AND THEIR TEAM HAVE DEVELOPED. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 70 TO 80% OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, LOCATED IN THAT LIGHT BLUE SHADING. 
          UM, THE DARK BLUE SHADING IS THE ROUGH LOCATION OF THE, UM, PRAIRIE CREEK CHANNEL. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE LOCATED ALONG POINT, UH, NORTH PARKWAY HERE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEN THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UH, COMMITTED TO. 
          UM, THEY LARGELY FOLLOW THE BASE R 2000 M ZONING, UM, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT'LL POINT OUT HERE. 
          UM, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IS, UM, STATED TO BE MINIMUM OF TWO ACRES, AND THIS WILL PREVENT ANY FURTHER SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE TO ALLOW MORE THAN ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING TO BE BUILT. 
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UM, IN ADDITION, UM, THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED TO BE 30 FEET. 
          UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING ONLY 20 FEET. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, UM, VERY LITTLE DEPTH THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH, UM, THAT KIND OF CONSTRAINTS, UM, THEIR DEVELOPABLE AREA, UH, RELATIVE TO THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO IT'S A MORE ELONGATED SHAPE. 
          SO AS A RESULT, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO PUSH, UM, THE FRONT OF THE HOME, UH, 10 FEET CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN WOULD TYPICALLY BE ALLOWED. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING SOME, UH, ENHANCEMENTS, UM, TO HELP OFFSET THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THEY'VE ALSO COMMITTED TO, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE GARAGE, UH, DOORS ARE, UH, SWING OR SIDE ENTRY. 
          SO THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, THE GARAGE ACTUALLY BE BEHIND, UH, A, UH, GATE. 
          AND SO THEY'LL HAVE ONE CAR GARAGE, UM, SWINGING IN THIS WAY, AND THEN TWO CAR SWINGING THIS WAY. 
          UM, THIS, UH, SHOWS THE ACCESS AND PARKING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, UM, THEY HAVE SPACE FOR, UM, THREE, UH, INC. 
          VEHICLES IN A GARAGE. 
          IN ADDITION, UM, OUT AHEAD OF THE GATE, UM, THEY HAVE QUEUING SPACE OR PARKING SPACE FOR AT LEAST THREE VEHICLES, UM, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR QUEUING OR GUEST PARKING OR MAINTENANCE, UH, DELIVERIES, ALL OF THAT TO OCCUR. 
          IN ADDITION, THERE'S A, UM, ADDITIONAL PAVED AREA THAT'S, UM, MAINLY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE FLOODPLAIN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, IT COULD ALSO BE USED FOR, UM, AUXILIARY PARKING. 
          IF, UM, WHENEVER THE, UH, RESIDENT HAS A PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE A U-SHAPED, UH, DRIVEWAY WITH ONE POINT N ONE POINT OUT ON POINT NORTH PARKWAY. 
          SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S, UH, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SPECIAL CONDITIONS, UM, RELATED TO THE, UH, SIDEWALK, THE LANDSCAPING AND THE RETAINING WALL. 
          UH, SO TO HELP OFFSET THAT, UM, UH, ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING LANDSCAPE PLANTERS ALONG AT LEAST 25% OF THE FRONT FACADE. 
          UM, IT COULD BE EVEN MORE, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE PLANS. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, THEY ARE, UM, THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK, UM, WHICH WILL REMAIN AND BE REPAIRED AS NEEDED. 
          UM, FOUR FEET IS GENERALLY THE CITY'S STANDARD FOR, UM, PUBLIC SIDEWALKS. 
          IN ADDITION, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A RETAINING WALL, UM, AND THEY'RE COMMITTED TO, UM, MAKING SURE THAT RETAINING WALL IS, UM, EITHER STONE GABON SPLIT FACE CMU OR TEXTURED CONCRETE, UM, TO HELP PROVIDE FOR A BETTER AESTHETIC, UM, THAN A TYPICAL SMOOTH FACE, UH, CONCRETE RETAINING WALL. 
          AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS FENCING AND SCREENING, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MASONRY WALL ALONG PORTIONS OF THE FRONT FACADE TO COMPLIMENT, UH, OR MATCH THE BUILDING. 
          UM, IT MAY TAPER UP TO A HEIGHT OF 10 FEET. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY HAS, UM, CONSIDERABLE SLOPE TO IT, AND SO THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, A, YOU KNOW, TALLER THAN TYPICAL HEIGHT IN SOME AREAS, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, GRADE DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE BALCONIES, UM, WHICH ARE MOST LIKELY TO OCCUR IN THE, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, SHALL HAVE AT LEAST 50% TRANSPARENCY AND BE EITHER DECORATIVE METAL, UH, GLASS OR PLE PLEXIGLASS. 
          UM, AND THEN ALL OTHER FENCING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FENCE ON THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, WHICH MAY BE, UM, SOLID WOOD FENCE UP TO SIX FEET TALL. 
          ALL OF THE FENCING SHALL BE OPEN STYLE DECORATIVE METAL WITH A MINIMUM OF 50% TRANSPARENCY. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO COMMITTED TO, UM, HIGHER STANDARDS OF ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE STATE, UH, HAS PROHIBITED US FROM REGULATING MATERIALS, BUT, UM, THROUGH PDS, UH, DEVELOPERS CAN COMMIT TO HIGHER STANDARDS. 
          UM, SO THEY PROVIDED A MODERN SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE WITH SOME PROJECTING ELEMENTS, UM, SUCH AS A OBSERVATION DECK AND CHIMNEYS, UM, AND A MIX OF FLAT AND LEAN TWO ROOF DESIGNS. 
          UM, THEY PROVIDED A COMMITMENT TO MASONRY MATERIALS FOR THE FRONT FACADE OF THE FIRST STORY, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, ABUNDANT HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL ARTICULATION. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN THE IMAGES THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. 
          UM, THERE ARE, THIS IS ALSO GONNA BE A SUBSTANTIALLY LARGE HOUSE, UM, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, UM, OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF AIR CONDITIONED SPACE, UM, AS WELL AS A 1000 SQUARE FEET OF GARAGE SPACE, UM, 900 SQUARE FEET OF PORCH SPACE, AND, UM, A 576 SQUARE FOOT SECOND STORY OBSERVATION DECK, UH, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INTEREST TO THE, THE DWELLING. 
          UM, AND SO REALLY WITH THE ZONING CASE 
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TONIGHT, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS, UM, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL MITIGATION SINCE THIS IS A PD, UM, TO PROVIDE FOR ENHANCEMENTS TO THE SITE AND TO CONSIDER ALLOWING PRODUCTIVE USE OF, OF THE SITE. 
          UM, SO THESE FLOODPLAIN CONSIDERATIONS THAT I'LL GO OVER, UM, IS, IS MAINLY TO INFORM YOU ON THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS REALLY ALL GOING TO BE, UM, A SEPARATE MATTER THAT CITY COUNCIL'S GOING TO CONSIDER AS, AS IT RELATES TO A VARIANCE FROM ANOTHER SECTION OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE ALTERATION OF, OF, UM, CREEKS. 
          SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE SITE DEVELOPABLE, UM, PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE FLOODPLAIN, UM, WILL INCLUDE THE REGRADING FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK, UM, NORTHWARD TO THE PROPERTY, UM, AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION OF A RETAINING WALL AND, UM, BUILDING PAD PREPARATION. 
          UM, AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS HAD TO UNDERGO, UM, THE FIRST STEP WAS, UM, CONDUCTING A FLOOD STUDY, WHICH WAS REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF. 
          UM, AND I WILL, UM, LET MY COUNTERPART, DAN TRACY, UM, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING, UM, SPEAK TO ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO ALL THE ENGINEERING, UM, AND, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT MIGHT BE PRESENTED TONIGHT. 
          UM, AFTER REVIEW OF THE FLOOD STUDY WAS CONDUCTED, THE MODELING WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY AND SENT TO FEMA FOR FINAL REVIEW. 
          UM, SO FEMA'S THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY AS IT RELATES TO REGULATING THE FLOODPLAIN, UM, ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          ALL OF THAT, AFTER ADDRESSING THE FEMA REVIEW, A CLR OR A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION WAS ISSUED, MEANING THE PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS THE MINIMUM FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT CRITERIA OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM AND WILL NOT HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT TO DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES. 
          SO THIS WAS ALREADY DETERMINED BY FEMA. 
          AFTER COMPLETION OF THE REGRADING, THE NEW GRADES WILL THEN BE VERIFIED AND SENT TO FEMA FOR A LETTER OF MAP REVISION, WHICH IS THE FINAL STEP IN THE PROCESS, WHICH WILL CHANGE THE FLOOD PLAIN MAPPING IN THIS AREA. 
          SO AGAIN, SEPARATE FROM THIS REQUEST, THE VARIANCE IS BEING SOUGHT FROM CHAPTER NINE DASH 42 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH PROHIBITS THE ALTERATION OR CHANNELIZATION OF RALEIGH CREEK OR ITS TRIBUTARIES, INCLUDING PRAIRIE CREEK. 
          SO AGAIN, THE, UM, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS, UM, JUST TO CONSIDER WHETHER A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE ON THIS SITE. 
          UM, AND TO CONSIDER THE, UM, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE CONCEPT ELEVATIONS. 
          SHOULD THE CPC RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE CONDITION THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHALL BE ZONE PD FOR THE R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THE CONCEPT ELEVATIONS AS ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. 
          AND I'M BILL FOR ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ENGINEERING, THE FLOODPLAIN, ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, I THINK DAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER POYNTER, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FACADE DRAWING AND SHOW ME WHERE THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY IS? I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY, BUT I DON'T SEE, YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S GENERALLY RIGHT IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE IT IN THIS VANTAGE POINT, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU KNOW, BETTER VISUALLY ON THE, THE SITE PLAN, UM, WHERE IT COMES IN LIKE THIS AND THEN EXITS THERE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE VEHICLE GATE. 
          THEY WERE VEHICLES WILL ENTER TO GO INTO THE GARAGE AND THEY HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE TO MANEUVER VEHICLES IN AND OUT OF THE GARAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SHOW ME ONE MORE TIME. 
          I'M STILL NOT STANDING. 
          SO THIS IS THE ENTRANCE POINT INTO THE CIRCLE DRIVEWAY. 
          THEY COME THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN THEY EXIT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE OFFSET, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE GATE, DOES THE GATE EX, WOULD THE GATE EXTEND? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE GATE AND THE SIDEWALK? UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT BUILDING LINE, THE 20 FOOT SETBACK. 
          SO IT'S A, PROBABLY A COUPLE FEET MORE THAN THAT, MAYBE 22 FEET FROM THE GATE TO THE, TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          WHAT'S A, WHAT SIZE GATE WOULD, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE OR HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT THAT MIGHT BE, WOULD IT IN ANY WAY SWING OUT CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK? UM, I, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PROPOSING A SLIDING GATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WILL SLIDE BACK AND FORTH, SO IT'S NOT GONNA ENCROACH THE, UM, THE SETBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT FOR CERTAIN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING A SLIDING GATE THAT HASN'T BEEN SPECIFIED 
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IN THE STANDARDS? SO, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SHOWING IT HERE IN THE PLAN, WHICH I MEAN AS PART OF THE, THE, THE PD, UM, IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE STANDARDS TO ENSURE A SLIDING GATE, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN THE, UM, THAT'S IN OUR PACKAGE. 
          ON, ON YOURS? YEAH. 
          THAT THE, UH, ARCHITECT IT WAS, HUH? THE SITE PLAN IN YOUR, THAT'S THE SITE PLAN IN YOUR PACKET. 
          IT'S JUST CROPPED TO GET TO THE, THE SPECIFICS OF, OF THE, THE PLAN. 
          OH, THAT IS IT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEARER ON PRINTED OUT YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO ZOOM IN AS MUCH AS WE COULD. 
          BUT THE DRIVEWAY, THE NORTH EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY IS ALMOST TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A, JUST, I CAN'T TELL THE DIMENSIONS. 
          IT'S PROBABLY PROBABLY ABOUT 1 3, 3 TO FEET, FIVE FEET OR LESS BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SIDEWALK? YES. 
          THAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE CORRECT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT'S ALSO TRUE OF THE, UM, THE MAINTENANCE DRIVEWAY THAT EXTENDS KIND OF THE, ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST END OF THE LOT, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          GOING OFF THE SCALE, IT WOULD BE APPEAR TO BE LESS THAN FIVE FEET. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE FRONTAGE IS GONNA BE A DRIVEWAY THREE TO FIVE FEET OFF THE SIDEWALK, CORRECT? RIGHT ABOUT HALF. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPE BARRIER BETWEEN THAT DRIVEWAY AND THAT SIDEWALK? YEAH, IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE FEET. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY PLANTINGS ON THIS PLAN, BUT, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE TO BE TURF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NO BARRIER BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING ON THE PLAN OTHER THAN TURF. 
          AND SO, BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, UM, REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD HELP, UM, IMPROVE THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION AND HELP OFFSET THE FRONT YARD SETBACK DEVIATION. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION I LEFT MY LIGHT ON, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD. 
          UH, YOU GUYS, THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL, UH, IT'S NOT BETWEEN TWO HOUSES. 
          IT'S IN A CORRIDOR THAT HAS A BIKE TRAIL AND PRETTY ACTIVE SIDEWALK FOR NEIGHBORS WALKING. 
          SO IT'S NOT SAY LIKE A CUL-DE-SAC STREET. 
          IT'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. 
          UH, THERE WAS A, THE, THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH YOU HAD OF THE SITE, THAT ONE, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS TAKEN? UM, RETREAT PROBABLY A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN YOU KNOW HOW OUR GIS SO YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY? NO, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THE TREES WERE REMOVED? 19? UH, MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          SO, UH, AND I DO HAVE TO ASK, WE, WE DON'T REALLY ENCOURAGE ANY PUBLIC OUTBURSTS, SO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY IN THE PROCESS, UM, UH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR DAN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR ABOUT THE DATA THAT WAS IN THE ENGINEERING REPORT MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF THINGS LIKE THE DATA COLLECTION IN SUPPORT OF THE FLOOD STUDY. 
          UM, THIS IS UNDER 1.4 OF, OF THE REPORT BY CARDINAL STRATEGIES, UH, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, TEXAS NATURAL RESOURCE INFORMATION SYSTEM DATED 2009 AND A-L-O-M-R MODEL 
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FOR PRAIRIE CREEK, EFFECTIVE 2 22 20 18 MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THEN IT'S GOT OF COURSE, TOPO SURVEY FROM JANUARY OF 24 AND A GRADING PLAN FROM FEBRUARY OF 24. 
          BUT NEITHER ONE OF THOSE WOULD HAVE REALLY WATER FLOW RATES OR ANYTHING, WHICH I IS THAT ARE THE, ARE THE TWO, THE FIRST TWO REPORTS LISTED, THE TEXAS NATURAL RESOURCE AND THE LOMR, THOSE ARE, I'M ASSUMING WATER FLOW RATES, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          THE, UH, THE LOANER THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UH, IS THE, UH, MODELING AND MAPPING OF THE CREEK SYSTEM, UM, FOR COLLIN COUNTY, UM, THAT IS THE MOST, UH, RELEVANT, ACCURATE, UM, THAT THE DEVELOPER'S ENGINEER USED, UH, TO REFINE THE MODEL FOR THIS LOT IN THIS CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TEXAS NATURAL RESOURCE INFORMATION SYSTEM DATA IS? IT'S, UH, IT'S LIKE ONE M, ONE M LIDAR. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, UH, THE LIDAR DATA IS THE, UH, UH, TOPOGRAPHY IN THE AREA. 
          UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, WHENEVER WE REFINED THE MODELS, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, FOR AREAS THAT HADN'T BEEN SURVEYED THAT WERE PART OF THE FEMA MODEL, TYPICALLY THEY WOULD USE, UH, THE LIDAR DATA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, I, I ASSUME YOU READ THROUGH THIS REPORT? YES, SIR. 
          AND WHAT WERE YOUR TAKEAWAYS FROM IT? WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO BENCH THE LOT LIKE THEY'RE WANTING TO, TO DO, THEY HAD TO BALANCE THE, THE CUT AND FILL IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT RETAINING WALL. 
          UH, AND SO WHAT THE, UH, APPLICANT'S ENGINEER DID WAS, WAS GET THE MODEL FROM FEMA, UH, AND THEN VALIDATE THAT MODEL, INSERT THE NEW, UH, CROSS SECTIONS, THE NEW TOPOGRAPHY THAT THEY HAD, AND THEN RERUN IT TO SEE THE EFFECTS, UH, SO THAT THEY COULD KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE BUILDING THE MO UH, EXCUSE ME, BUILDING THE WALL, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS WHERE TO PUT THAT WALL IN ORDER TO BENCH WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO OR WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD THE HOME. 
          AND SO, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE MODELING, AND WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL BACK AND FORTHS WITH THEM ON SOME, UH, DETAILS. 
          AND ULTIMATELY, ONCE WE WERE SATISFIED THAT IT MET, UH, FEMA'S GENERAL CRI CRITERIA, THAT MODEL WAS THEN SENT, SENT TO FEMA. 
          AND AFTER A COUPLE MORE , UH, BACK AND FORTH WITH COM COMMENTS FROM, FROM FEMA, THEY ULTIMATELY APPROVED, UH, THE CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION, WHICH IS MORE OR LESS THEIR BLESSING THAT IF THE GRADING IS DONE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE MODELING, UM, THEN THE CHANGES TO THE, UH, FLIP PLAY MODEL ARE WITHIN KEEPING OF BOTH THE CITY AND OF FEMA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT THE FLOODPLAIN MODEL REALLY HAS TO DO WITH HOW HIGH IT GETS. 
          CORRECT. 
          DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE, UH, FLOW RATE OF THE WATER WITH THE VELOCITY YES. 
          VELOCITY THAT'S ALSO ANALYZED? YES. 
          AND SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET KIND OF DETAILED INTO THE REPORT. 
          UM, BUT FOR THE VELOCITIES, UH, WHICH ARE CONSIDERED EROSIVE, WHICH ARE OVER EIGHT FEET PER SECOND, UM, IN THE POINTS WHERE THEY TOOK THE CROSS SECTIONS OF, OF THE MODEL, UM, NONE OF THE, UH, EROSIVE VELOCITIES WERE, UM, INCREASE. 
          THEY WERE EITHER KEPT AT A ZERO CHANGE OR THEY WERE ACTUALLY DROPPED DOWN, AND THE VELOCITIES, UH, WERE NEGATIVE FROM WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S MEASURING THOSE VELOCITIES IN THE, WITHIN THE STUDY AREA, CORRECT. 
          UH, OF, OF THE MODEL MM-HMM . 
          AND HOW F HOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE LIMITS OF THAT STUDY AREA? SO IN, IN THIS CASE WHERE THE NEW SECTIONS WERE, WERE PUT WAS WITHIN THE PROPERTY, UM, BUT THE, UH, THE MODEL ALSO HAS TO TIE BACK TO FEMA'S MODEL, BOTH ON THE UPSTREAM AND THE DOWN DOWNSTREAM CON CONDITION. 
          UH, SO THEY HAVE CON CONTINUITY THERE. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO WHAT THEY DID, THE DETAILING ON THE PROPERTY, UM, UH, WORKS AS IT TIES INTO THE MODEL UP AND DOWN DOWNSTREAM OF THE PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THE, THIS MAP HERE, IT'S LABELED C-L-O-M-R, PRAIRIE CREEK, UM, FEMA FIRM 
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FIGURE TWO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND IT'S GOT AN AREA OF LIKE IN BLUE, WHICH THEY CALL EFFECTIVE. 
          AND IT SEEMS TO, UH, LOOK AT THE CREEK FROM THE BUSH TURNPIKE, FOLLOWED IT ALL THE WAY TO WHERE IT'S GOES OFF THE MAT AROUND ALMA. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT, IS THAT THE EXTENT OF THE STUDY AREA? THAT'S, IT'S, I'M JUST WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES EFFECTIVE MEAN? YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT THE, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOT THE PROJECT SITE BOUNDARY IN THERE IDENTIFIED, BUT IS IS THAT, ARE THEY ACTUALLY STUDYING THAT BIG OF AN AREA? NO, THAT IS THE STUD, THAT IS THE AREA, UH, OF THE FEMA MODELING WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, MEANING FOR PRAIRIE PRAIRIE CREEK. 
          THE MODELING STARTS UP AT, UM, UH, ONE 90 BUSH TURN TURNPIKE, UH, AND THEN CONTINUES, UH, ON SOUTH, AND THEN OF COURSE, IT TURNS, UH, DOWN IN THE PRAIRIE CREEK SUBDIVISION AREA, UH, AND THEN HEADS OFF TO THE NORTH AND EVENTUALLY TIES TO SPRING, SPRING CREEK. 
          SO WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING THERE IS THE EFFECTIVE AREA OF THE CREEK WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE CREEK DOES GO ON FURTHER NORTH UP INTO PLANO, AND THAT'S UNDER PLANOS JU JURISDICTION THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE HYDRAULIC, I'M SORRY, IT'S CALLED HYDRAULIC WORK MAP, FIGURE FOUR LOOKS LIKE THIS. 
          WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT TOWARDS THE END? OKAY. 
          I'M WITH YOU THERE. 
          AND YOU, AND IT'S THE ONE WITH A SUB SUBSET? YEAH, YEAH. 
          IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO TELL AT THIS, UH, AT THE SCALE YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UM, AND IF YOU LOOK UP AT THE, UH, THE CORNER AT THE TOP RIGHT, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ORANGE LINE, UH, THAT, UH, RUNS EAST AND WEST, DIPS A LITTLE SOUTH, AND THEN CONTINUES ON TO, TO THE EAST. 
          SO THERE'S A LITTLE OVERLAPPING THE LINES THERE. 
          UH, BUT WHAT THAT'S SHOWING IS THE, UH, THE WAY FEMA HAD THE FLOODPLAIN MODELED ORIGINALLY. 
          UH, AND, AND MORE, MORE OR LESS, AS THE TOPOGRAPHY, UH, REPRESENTS TO TODAY. 
          UH, THE FLOOD FLOODPLAIN GOES TO WHERE THAT EXISTING BENCH IS ON THE PROPERTY, UM, JUST SOUTH OF POINT POINT NORTH PARK PARKWAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT THE ORANGE LINE IS. 
          AND THEN THE PROPOSED, UH, FLOOD, FLOOD PLAIN IS, UH, SHOWN KIND OF IN THAT PINKISH, UH, AREA WHERE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO FOUR, UM, ITEMS DOWN ON THE LEGEND OVER THERE, YOU HAVE THE POST PROJECT A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOWING THE EFFECTS OF IF THE GRADING, UH, IS, IS DONE AND THE WALL IS CON CONSTRUCTED, UH, THE FLOOD PLAIN WOULD ESSENTIALLY MOVE FROM THAT ORANGE LINE, UH, KIND OF YELLOWISH ORANGE, ORANGE LINE, UH, DOWN TO THE PURPLE LINE THERE. 
          DO YOU FOLLOW THAT? YES. 
          KIND OF. 
          YOU HAVE TO KIND OF SQUINT, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, ON THE EAST, EAST END OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHERE IT BASICALLY BENDS THE CREEK BENDS SOUTHWARD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT POINT WHERE THAT WATER BINS, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE STUDY AREA? YOU CAN TELL. 
          UH, OR ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE, YEAH, NO, IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU, IF YOU NARROW THE CHANNEL, RIGHT, MM-HMM . 
          AND IT ALL BUMPS UP AGAINST THAT EAST WALL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO WE, DO YOU KNOW THE CONDITION OF THAT, THAT TURN, THAT BEND RIGHT THERE? AND IT, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT IMPACT, IF THAT'S BEEN STUDIED AT THAT LOCATION SPECIFICALLY? YES, SIR. 
          THERE WERE SPECIFIC CROSS SECTIONS, UH, THAT WERE CUT IN THAT, IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN, GREEN LINES THAT RUN PERPENDICULAR 
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TO THE CREEK CHANNEL ITSELF. 
          UH, THOSE, THOSE SECTIONS WERE STUDIED. 
          UH, AND IF YOU CAN READ THE LAST, UH, SOUTHERN SECTION UP ON THE, UH, BLOW UP, THE 18,651, UH, WAS THEN TIED TO THE FEMA MODEL, UH, THAT, UM, STATIONS FURTHER DOWN DOWNSTREAM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 18 6 5 1 IS JUST A CROSS SECTION? YES, SIR. 
          REFERENCE, YES, SIR. 
          DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LIKE, OBVIOUSLY ELEVATION THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER FEMA MAP. 
          IS THAT, SO IT'S A, THE WAY FEMA DOES IT IS THEY, THEY STATION, UH, FROM THE CONFLUENCE OF THE CREEK, WHICH IN THIS CASE, UH, IS WHERE PRAIRIE CREEK MEETS UP WITH SPRING CREEK OVER IN THE SPRING CREEK, NA, SPRING CREEK NATURE AREA. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE STATION ZERO AT THAT CON CONFLUENCE. 
          AND THEN, UH, FOLLOWING THE CENTER LINE OF THE CREEK, UH, THEY MAP THE LENGTH OF THE CREEK DOWN THE CENTER LINE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S WHERE THESE CROSS SECTIONS, SO ESSENTIALLY THIS, UH, THAT POINT 18 651 IS, UH, 18,650 FEET, 51 FEET AWAY FROM SPRING CREEK IF YOU WERE TO WALK DOWN THE CENTER OF THE CHANNEL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON IN, IN THE AREA NORTH OF RENTER AT, UM, GREENSIDE, UH, UP ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, UH, YOU'VE GOT FAIRLY LARGE AREA. 
          IS THAT, UH, I, I CAN'T RECALL WHAT'S, WHAT'S UP THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT JUST A, UH, A WIDE SPOT IN THE CREEK, OR IS THAT A LAKE OR POND? THAT IS A, THAT IS A POND, UH, THAT IS, UH, YES, SIR, THAT IS, THAT IS A POND. 
          AND THEN JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RENTER, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER, UH, DETENTION STRUCTURE THAT ACTS TO BOTH OF THOSE ACTS IN UNISON, UH, TO, UH, RETARD THE, UH, UH, PEAK FLOW OF WATER DOWN PRAIRIE CREEK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO IN TERMS OF LIKE THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHERE IT WAS TREE WOODED VERSUS NOW BEEN CLEAR CUT MM-HMM . 
          WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON, UH, DRAINAGE AND FLOODING AREA? WELL, YEAH, SO THE MODELING, UH, LOOKED AT, UM, THE EXISTING CONDITION WHEN THERE WAS WOODS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME SHRUBS, UH, AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS THAT CREATED, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL IMPEDIMENTS, KIND MORE OF A FRICTION FACTOR YOU COULD CALL IT. 
          UH, WITH THE WATER RUNNING DOWN THE CREEK, THE, THE TREES, THE SHRUBS, THE UNDERBRUSH, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD, YOU KNOW, ACT AS SOMETHING TO HOLD BACK THE WATER. 
          UH, THE, UH, CONDITION FOR THE PROPOSED OR THE PROPOSED CON CONDITION, UH, HAS A MUCH SMOOTHER GRASSED AREA, UH, WITH FEWER TREES, WHICH IS GOING TO ALLOW THE WATER, UH, TO GO THROUGH, UH, AT A, YOU KNOW, FASTER RATE, EQUAL, EQUAL TO, UH, IF NOT LOWER, UH, EL EL ELEVATION. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          IS THAT, UH, ELEVATION WISE, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S EQUAL TO OR LOWER MM-HMM . 
          UH, BUT HOW ABOUT VELOCITY? VELOCITY WISE? RIGHT. 
          THE MODELS, THE MODEL SHOWS THAT, UM, THE VELOCITY IS EITHER EQUAL TO OR MM-HMM . 
          LESS THAN THE VELOCITY, UH, THAT WAS CURRENTLY THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK TO THAT BEND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, ON THE EAST END MM-HMM . 
          UH, DO, DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF, UH, RIP WRAP OR PROTECTION ON THE EAST BANK OF THE CREEK OVER THERE? THERE IS, YES, SIR. 
          UM, FOR, UH, I BELIEVE TWO HOUSES, IF NOT THREE, UH, THERE IS, UH, GIAN WALL THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED BY THE CITY, UH, ON THE EAST BANK, AROUND THAT, AROUND THAT BIN. 
          AND THAT'S THE RIP WRAP WALL KIND OF WALL? UH, NO, THE, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE GIAN, SO IT'S, UH, WHAT IS THAT? IT'S A STONE, UH, PROBABLY EIGHT INCH TO SIX INCH STONE, UH, WRAPPED IN A, UH, UH, CHAIN LINK, UH, METAL TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT IS TOWED DOWN TO THE BANK AND THEN STAIR, STAIR STEPPED UP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I CALL RIP WRAP. 
          OKAY. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DAN? THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ANDREW? NO, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE, THE ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WELL THIS PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WE ASK THE APPLICANT, PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW. 
          MY NAME IS DENNIS COLLINS. 
          MY CURRENT RESIDENCE IS 19 MAXWELL LANE AT MURPHY, AND HOPEFULLY THE NEW RESIDENCE IS GONNA BE 10 25 POINT NORTH. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OPENING STATEMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR YOU JUST WANNA ANSWER QUESTION? I CAN'T GIVE AN OPENING QUESTION. 
          OPENING STATEMENT. 
          I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN RICHARDSON, WENT TO PRAIRIE CREEK, WENT TO NOR JUNIOR HIGH, WENT TO PIERCE AND GRADUATED FROM UTD. 
          UH, MY WIFE AND I WERE MARRIED ON WILLOW CREEK, WHICH IS WALKING DISTANCE FROM THIS HOUSE. 
          UH, WE CURRENTLY ARE TRUSTEES OF 25 10 CANYON CREEK. 
          UM, THIS IS OUR DREAM HOME, OUR RETIREMENT HOME, OUR FOREVER HOME. 
          UH, WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR EIGHT YEARS. 
          UH, WE BROUGHT OUR DREAM TEAM THAT WE CALL HERE. 
          WE HAVE MITCHELL RICHARD DIETRICH, WHICH I BELIEVE HAS BUILT SOME OF THE FINEST HOMES IN CANYON CREEK. 
          CERTAINLY SOME OF THE FINEST ON THE GOLF COURSE WE HAVE. 
          SCOTT MERRICK WITH LIMA, THE TOP ARCHITECT FIRMS IN RICHARDSON. 
          AND MR. THOMAS KARELL HAS CARRIED US THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH FEMA AND ALL THE DIFFICULT ENGINEERING. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO SAY A BIG THANKS TO DAN AND TRACY FOR WORKING WITH ME FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND ANDREW FOR THE WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE ON YOUR TEAM WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SOME COMMENTS OR JUST WE CAN START ASKING QUESTIONS? THEY'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF I CAN'T ANSWER IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO MAYBE YOU JUST START WITH WHAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU HEARD. 
          SO, SO FAR, UH, ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY, PROXIMITY TO THE SIDEWALK, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY LANDSCAPING. 
          THE TRAIL THAT, UH, THE DESIGNATED TRAIL IS ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR HOUSE, AND THAT IS THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. 
          AND THAT IS ALSO THE CITY PARK AND THAT IS DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AND PASS ON FOOT TRAFFIC AND BICYCLES. 
          UH, THIS HOME WAS THE ONLY HOME ON THE STREET. 
          UH, I, IN MY OPINION, IT'S GONNA HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT OF ALMOST ANY HOME BEING BUILT IN ALL OF CANYON CREEK AND PRAIRIE CREEK RIGHT NOW, AS A VERY LONG DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS HOUSE AND ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UH, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME OUT THERE, THE SIDEWALK PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION ACROSS THE STREET, VERY, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC. 
          THE STREET ITSELF IS VERY LOW TRAFFIC TOO. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE ONCE THE PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET IS DONE AND THE ACCESS TO THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL IS AVAILABLE AGAIN AND THE PARK IS AVAILABLE AGAIN, THAT IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. 
          I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ANDREW, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET AND THE IMPACT AND TIMING AND WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE DONE, OR, I KNOW IT'S A PRETTY BIG MASSIVE WATER PIPELINE PROJECT. 
          YEAH, SO THAT'LL BE, UM, RAMPING DOWN OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UH, WITH, UH, FINAL COMPLETION EXPECTED, UH, BY OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE RESTORED INTO A PARK AND YES, YES, THAT'LL BE RESTORED AS AS IT WAS, IF NOT BETTER. 
          AND WILL THAT TRAIL, UM, THROUGH THERE, DOES IT, WILL IT CROSS BACK OVER, UH, POINT NORTH PARKWAY TO THE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE, I THINK OF IT AS THE PARK NEXT TO THE, UH, THE WATER? UH, SO THE, THE WATER TANK, THE, THE TRAIL WILL NOT BE EXTENDED. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS, UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A SIDEWALK GAP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, OF THE STREET. 
          IT ENDS AT, AT THE ALLEY, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION WORK, UH, IS GOING ON. 
          UM, AND DOES NOT GO OUT TO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S SYNERGY. 
          SYNERGY. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE, UH, COMPLETING THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTION AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          ALSO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF, OF CANYON CREEK, UH, AND POINT NORTH PARKWAY, THERE WILL BE, UH, A CROSSING ADDED, UH, WHERE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS CAN GET FROM CANYON CREEK DRIVE UP TO THE NORTH SIDE, UH, AND GET ONTO THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE, THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF POINT NORTH PARKWAY WILL BE EXTENDED TO SYNERGY? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN AN INCREASE IN FOOT TRAFFIC WITH, DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTIONS, I GUESS IS YOUR POINT? YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
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UH, WHAT, AND WHAT ABOUT THE A AGAIN, IS THERE ANY PLANS TO THE LANDSCAPE, UM, BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SIDEWALK? NO, WE PLAN ON THAT BEING GRASS, BUT THERE WILL BE PLANTER BOXES IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          YEAH, I, I, I GUESS, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS MAY BE ABOUT JUST PROXIMITY THAT, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY, IT'S CLOSES NEXT WE'RE TALKING TO THE DRIVEWAY. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S HOW FAR IS, IT'S JUST MY, IT'S JUST MY WIFE AND I LIVING THERE AND WE BOTH WORKED DURING DAY, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC GOING ACROSS THAT DRIVEWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HOW ABOUT YOUR, UM, ARCHITECT, UM, IS HE OR SHE IN THE ROOM? YES. 
          SCOTT MERRICK WITH LIMA. 
          OKAY. 
          SCOTT, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SCOTT MERICK, 2 9 4 4 FOREST HILLS LANE, RICHARDSON. 
          UM, YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UH, THE PROXIMITY OF THE DRIVE TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          I THINK I'VE GOT THAT ANSWERED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MAYBE, MAYBE, UH, IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR VISION FOR, UM, THE NORTH ELEVATION. 
          I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION LOOKS GREAT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S ALL GLASS AND PATIOS AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OUT ON THIS CREEK AND THE GOLF COURSE. 
          BUT, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE NORTH ELEVATION IS A BIT MONOLITHIC. 
          IT'S VERY CONTEMPORARY AND, UM, IT'S GOT A 10 FOOT WALL IN PLACES. 
          SO MAYBE YOU COULD KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S GOT ARTICULATION AND VARIATION. 
          UM, YEAH, SO THE, UM, WITH THE DART LINE, RENTER ROAD, UM, AND THE CONNECTION ACROSS POINT NORTH, WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, UH, WITH DENNIS AND KIMBERLY, THAT IDEA WAS THAT WE, UH, CREATE A GOOD BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR HOUSE AND PRIVACY TOWARDS THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY NOISY, ESPECIALLY AS THE DART LINE GOES IN AND THEN REALLY TURN THE HOUSE AND OPEN IT UP MORE TOWARDS THE, UH, UH, THE GOLF COURSE. 
          AND TO SOFTEN THAT, WE, UM, HAVE, HAVE LANDSCAPE, THE PLANTER WALLS AND UM, THEN BREAK THAT, THAT WALL SOD A LITTLE BIT TO STILL KEEP SOME ARTICULATION, GET A NATURAL MATERIAL IN THERE, UM, BUT ALSO KEEP IT PRETTY SOLID SO WE CAN FORM A GOOD SOUND BUFFER ALONG THAT, UH, POINT NORTH SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, AND WHERE DO YOU SEE THE, THE, THE WALL BEING 10 FEET HIGH? WELL, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE MAIN BUILDING WALL IS, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S 10, 11 FEET TO THE MAIN BUILDING. 
          BUT THEN AS WE STEP BY, STEP OUT BEYOND A PLAN MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          CAN I HAVE A, IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE CLICKER WHERE IT GOES TO 10. 
          DO YOU HAVE A, A HERE, A POINTER OR I CAN MAYBE POINT AT IT OVER HERE. 
          UH, CAN YOU, UH, YOU TURN YOUR MIC BACK ON. 
          ALRIGHT, SORRY. 
          UH, SO THIS WALL ALONG HERE, UM, AND THE RENDERING, AND THEN ALONG HERE WE WERE CONTINUE WANTING TO CONTINUE A, A TALL WALL, UM, THAT WORKED OFF THE ELEVATION. 
          AT THIS POINT, THESE ARE VERY PRELIMINARY AND WE WANTED THE ABILITY TO STILL KEEP THOSE HIGH IF THEY LOOKED BETTER WITH THE, UH, ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE. 
          UH, BUT, UH, IF WE CAN FLIP BACK TO THE RENDERING, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE SHOWING IT MORE AT LIKE A EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT. 
          UH, BUT ALL, ALL THESE WALLS ALONG HERE ARE, I DON'T, UM, SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF THEY WERE 10 OR 12 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          TALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND JUST MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING AREA, THE GARAGE, WHERE THE GARAGES ARE LOCATED AND OH, THE GATE, UH, IF YOU, WHAT'S PROPOSED THERE? YES, WE CAN, UM, WE CAN REQUIRE THAT TO BE A SLIDING GATE. 
          WE'RE JUST WANTING TO TUCK THAT UP, UH, FOR PRIVACY ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THAT WALL. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE DRIVE INTO A MOTOR COURT, UH, AND ENTER THE TWO GARAGES HERE AND HERE, UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A, UH, WOOD GATE, UH, DECORATIVE GATE PLAN THAT WOULD SLIDE OFF TO THE SIDE. 
          IT WOULDN'T 
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ENCUMBER ANY SPACE IN FRONT. 
          AND WHAT DO YOU ENVISION FOR THE MAINTENANCE ACCESS AND ANOTHER SLIDING GATE THERE? YES. 
          DRIVEWAY, DRIVEWAY. 
          DRIVEWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE MAINTENANCE BEING? IS THAT, UM, UM, MOWING, IS THAT LANDSCAPING? IS THAT WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, TRASH PICKUP, I DON'T SURE. 
          WE CURRENTLY LIVE ON TWO ACRES RIGHT NOW, AND ALL TWO ACRES ARE VERY WELL MANICURED AND LANDSCAPED. 
          SO OUR VISION IS, SO WE CAN GET DOWN THERE. 
          ALL OF THAT IS GONNA BE GRASS, WELL-KEPT TREES. 
          UM, IT WILL FOLLOW HOW THE HELM ARE ON THE GOLF COURSE, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT TO BE THE PREMIER LANDSCAPING ON THE COURSE. 
          AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TWICE A WEEK FOR THE CREW TO GET DOWN THERE. 
          SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING LIKE ZERO SCAPE. 
          THIS IS ALL GONNA BE VERY WELL MANICURED AND MAINTAIN THE WHOLE PROPERTY? NO, ALL TWO ACRES. 
          AND DID YOU, DO YOU REMOVE THE TREES FROM THE SITE AND WHEN DID THAT OCCUR? SO THE LAST TREES THAT WERE, SO THE CITY WAS, WAS IN TWICE THE TREES THAT ARE TAGGED RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE'S CONCERN THAT THOSE ARE COMING DOWN. 
          THOSE WERE ACTUALLY TAGGED BY THE CITY ARBORIST. 
          THOSE ARE STAYING, SO THE TREES THAT HAVE COME DOWN IN THE PAST HAVE ONLY COME DOWN UNDER THE CITY RULES IN THAT THEY WERE EITHER DEAD, THEY WERE UNDER FOUR INCHES IN DIAMETER, OR THEY WERE NONS SPECIES TREES. 
          SO THAT'S ALL HAS BEEN REMOVED AT THIS POINT. 
          THERE ARE NO SPECIES TREES ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE KNOW OF. 
          AND MOST OF THE STUFF THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY WERE EITHER DEAD HACKBERRIES OR BAMBOO. 
          SO THE LAST ROUND THAT WE TOOK THE TREES, THERE WAS 18 TREES THAT WE DID GET A PERMIT THROUGH THE CITY THAT WERE ALL MARKED THAT ARE ON DIAGRAMS. IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS RECORD OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN DID THAT OCCUR? I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT LAST PERMIT WAS, BUT SIX MONTHS AGO PROBABLY. 
          BUT ANY TREES THAT WERE TAKEN DOWN PRIOR TO THAT, I HEARD MENTION THERE WERE EVEN 2019. 
          THOSE ARE, WERE EITHER DEAD TREES OR NON SPECIES TREES. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          SO YOU, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE TREE ORDINANCE AND THIS RICHARDSON THAT YOU CAN TAKE A TREE DOWN IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT? UH, HOW ABOUT YOUR ENGINEER THAT DID WORKED ON THE STUDY? GOOD EVENING. 
          THOMAS KARELL WITH CARDINAL STRATEGIES, UM, 2 3 0 9 SHOREHAM CIRCLE IN LEWISVILLE, TEXAS. 
          I'M GONNA TRY TO RECALL THIS QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ASK YOU, UH, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION YOU HEARD BETWEEN ME AND MR. TRACY, UH, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD OR CORRECT OR MAYBE CLARIFY? I THINK MAYBE REAFFIRM, I THINK DAN DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB. 
          UM, WHEN WE DO THESE TYPES OF STUDIES, FEMA HAS WHAT WE CALL THE EFFECTIVE MODEL OR AN EXISTING MODEL OF HOW THEY MAPPED THAT FLOOD RISK ALREADY. 
          WE HAVE TO START THERE AND WE SUPPLEMENT THAT MODEL WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW LARGE IS THE STUDY AREA, DAN SAID IT CORRECTLY, IT IS FROM THE HEADWATERS TO THE CONFLUENCE, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT, WHERE I'M NOT, I'M GOING FROM MEMORY ON THE HEADWATERS, BUT UPSTREAM OF, OF BUSH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CONFLUENCE WITH PRAIRIE CREEK, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, WITH SPRING CREEK. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE HEADWATERS IN THIS, IN PRAIRIE, PRAIRIE CREEK EXTEND UP IN THE PLANO RIGHT AROUND THE COURT ROAD, PARKER ROAD AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN IT GOES OBVIOUSLY DOWN TO THE CONFLUENCE THERE SPRING, SPRING CREEK. 
          AND SO YOUR, YOUR MODEL ENCOMPASSED THAT ENTIRE AREA? THE YES, THE FEMA MODEL ENCOMPASSES THAT ENTIRE AREA, THE FEMA MODEL. 
          BUT YOU KEEP IT THE SAME AS FAR AS YOUR STUDY? WE, WE KEEP IT THE SAME LIMITS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK SOME PIECES OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THAT STUDY, THAT OVERALL STUDY, AND PUT IN ADDITIONAL CROSS SECTIONS BASED ON MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION FROM TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE SURVEY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE CROSS SECTIONS GO BEYOND THE LIMITS OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          WE ONLY HAVE TOPO ON THE PROPERTY LIMITS. 
          SO THE, THE INFORMATION OF THOSE CROSS SECTIONS THAT ARE OFF THE PROPERTY, WE USE THAT T-N-R-I-S LIDAR DATA, WHICH IS CONSIDERED LARGELY TO BE ACCURATE WITHIN AN INCH AND ELEVATION. 
          AND, UM, YEAH. 
          UH, SOME OF THE, THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED, WRITTEN 
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COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED IN ADVANCE, UH, SURE OF THIS HEARING, UH, ARE COMMENTED ABOUT HOW, UH, SOME PEOPLE FELT THAT THE DATA WAS, IT'S OUTDATED REALLY, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION IN TERMS OF, UH, WHERE THAT DATA IS COMING FROM AND THE AGE OF IT. 
          UH, WELL, WE USE THE 10 R 2009 DATA SET. 
          10 R ONLY FLIES LIDAR EVERY SO MANY YEARS. 
          UM, AND IT VARIES FROM REGION TO REGION WITHIN THE STATE. 
          UM, THEY, THEY COVER ALL OVER THE STATE, AND SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PATTERNS THAT THEY FOLLOW. 
          UH, IN THIS REGION, IN THIS SPECIFIC REGION. 
          THE, THE LATEST INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE IS FROM 2009. 
          THAT'S WHY WE USED THE LATEST DATA SET FROM THERE. 
          UM, IF THERE WAS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE DID REQUEST THAT FROM THE CITY AS WELL, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          UH, OUR INTEREST IS THE SAME AS FEMA'S INTEREST IS TO UPDATE THE MODEL WITH THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION AND TRY TO ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT THAT FLOOD RISK IS. 
          YOU CAN PROBABLY UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. 
          THAT'S 14 YEARS OLD AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT SINCE THEN. 
          UM, NO, I I WOULD ACTUALLY DISAGREE. 
          UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY OR THE GULF. 
          NO, NO. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE WATER FLOW POTENTIALLY INTO THE CREEK FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENT UPSTREAM. 
          UM, WELL SURE. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH THE 2009 DATA SET THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO WITH BEING 14 YEARS OLD IS JUST THE ELEVATION INFORMATION. 
          IT WAS JUST SPLICED FOR THE NEW CROSS SECTIONS ADDED TO THE MODEL. 
          THE REST OF THE MODEL IS STILL BUILT UPON WHATEVER FEMA HAD IT LAST SET UPON. 
          THE LATEST AND GREATEST MODEL THAT WAS USED WAS FROM THE 2018 LMER STUDY THAT WAS COLLECTED FROM FEMA. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE ON FILE. 
          THAT IS THE LATEST AND GREATEST. 
          IF ANYONE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION, WE'RE ALL EARS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO GRAB THAT. 
          WE WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND INCORPORATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. MR. MARCIA, IF, IF I COULD, I, I WOULD SAY THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS. 
          ONE IS THE, THE ON THE GROUND, UH, SURVEY DATA, UM, THAT WE'RE TA TALKING ABOUT THAT AFFECTS WITH THE LIDAR DATA AND HOW THEY CAN GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SURVEY CERTAIN POINTS ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN WHAT THEY USE FOR OFF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT, UH, IS THE HYDROLOGY OF THE BASIN IS, IS WHERE YOU, WHERE WE GET OUR FLOWS, FLOWS FROM, AND, AND THAT'S, UH, AND THERE IS A, UH, A GRAPHIC IN HERE OR, OR A TABLE THAT, THAT SHOWS HOW THE, THE FLOWS, YOU KNOW, START UPSTREAM AT A CERTAIN RATE AND THEN BUILD AS IT COMES DOWN DOWNSTREAM. 
          UH, AND THEN THE, THE MODELING THAT, THAT WE DO, UH, USES, UH, A FULLY DEVELOPED, UH, CONDITION FOR THAT ENTIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FOR THAT ENTIRE BASE. 
          UH, WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT IS, UH, RE RESIDENTIAL IS NOT GONNA SHED AS MUCH WATER AS A COMMERCIAL AREA OR RETAIL PARKING LOT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND, AND, AND ALL OF THAT IS, IS FACTORED INTO THE HYDROLOGY OF WHERE WE COME UP WITH THAT SPECIFIC FLOW RATE THAT THEN GOES INTO THE CREEK AND, AND HOW THAT, UM, THAT PEAK IS, IS TIMED AS IT COMES DOWN AND THROUGH, THROUGH, THROUGH THERE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WHILE THERE HAS BEEN MORE DEVELOPMENT IN PLACES, PERHAPS, UH, IN THE BASIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A FULLY DEVELOPED WATERSHED, UH, FOR THIS BASIN TO DERIVE WHERE THAT, UM, WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING DOWN THE CREEK. 
          YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO SURE. 
          FOR NOT ONLY MY SAKE, BUT THE PUBLIC'S SAKE AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSION UNDERSTAND HOW OLD THIS DATA IS AND HOW RELEVANT IS, IS IT ACCURATE? RIGHT. 
          AND IF IT'S, IF THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING IT, BECAUSE I MEAN, I LIVE RIGHT OFF SPRING CREEK AND I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, HOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE BANKS HAVE BEEN ERODED, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN THE PUBLIC HAS TOO, IS THAT AS WE START FORCING IT INTO A NARROWER CHANNEL, ARE WE INCREASING THE VELOCITY? DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT DATA? YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS THAT REALLY BEEN STUDIED AND THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M QUESTIONING YOU SO HARD ON THIS. 
          YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTOOD COMPLETELY. 
          I, I DO BELIEVE WE, WE DO HAVE THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION TO SUPPLY THE MODEL WITH, UM, AS MR. TRACY JUST GOT DONE EXPLAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A FULLY DEVELOPED ASSESSMENT. 
          IT, IT DOES GET UPDATED FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          MOST RECENTLY, WE, UH, UH, INDUSTRYWIDE ADOPTED, UH, NEW RAINFALL DATA AROUND 20 19, 20 20 TIMEFRAME, UH, TO INCORPORATE LONGER PERIODS OF RECORD FOR, FOR RAINFALL, UH, LARGELY 
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TO INCORPORATE EFFECTS FROM STORMS LIKE HURRICANE HARVEY, UH, WHERE CERTAIN PARTS OF TEXAS RECEIVED CRAZY AMOUNTS OF RAINFALL. 
          SO THE, THE, THE MODELS FROM TIME TO TIME GET UPDATED, UM, AND SUPPLEMENTED WITH BETTER INFORMATION. 
          AND SO, UH, WHERE WE STAND TODAY, I THINK THAT MODEL IS A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THAT FLOOD RISK IS AND WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IT TO BE. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE THAT IT COULD RAIN HARDER OR FASTER THAN WHAT WE AS AN INDUSTRY HAVE TO DESIGN AROUND. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE SAY FLOOD RISK, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOMEONE CAN'T FLOOD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUTSIDE THAT FLOOD RISK. 
          IT'S JUST WHERE WE, BY THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS MAP THAT HIGHER LEVELS OF CONCERN. 
          YEP. 
          AND SO YOUR OVERALL CONCLUSIONS ARE THAT IT'S REALLY, THIS WON'T IMPACT, THERE WON'T BE THAT SIGNIFICANT OF A CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT CONDITIONS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THERE'S, AND THAT IS, AND THAT'S WHAT FEMA HAS AGREED WITH, MORE OR LESS THAT IS EXACTLY CORRECT. 
          SUBJECT TO FINAL GRADING PLAN, AND THAT'S CORRECT, TOPO AND ALL THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE THAT IT COULD GET CONSTRUCTED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE HAD MODELED, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR AND WHAT WE SHARED WITH FEMA. 
          ALONG THE WAY, THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO DO ANOTHER EVALUATION AFTER CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED, WHERE THE WALL WAS BUILT, HOW TALL THE WALL WAS, THE OTHER MISCELLANEOUS GRADE WORK AROUND THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL, ALL OF THAT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE INTENDED. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT THAT BASED ON, AGAIN, TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY AFTER CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION AND MODEL IT. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS OBSERVED AT THAT TIME, WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEIR CONTRACTOR TO GO MAKE DIFFERENT CHANGES, UM, TO MITIGATE FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE IMPACTS. 
          OTHERWISE, IT'LL GO TO FEMA AS INTENDED AND, AND THEY'LL DO ANOTHER REVIEW, ANOTHER ROBUST REVIEW , AND IT'LL TAKE A YEAR LONG PROCESS TO COMPLETE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT UNTIL YOU GET IT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND FEMA APPROVED, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE THE SITE IMPROVEMENT? YEAH. 
          SO WE WOULD DO THE GRADE WORK AND THE WALL AND ELEVATE, UM, ALL OF THE AREA BEHIND THE RETAINING WALL AND THEN GO THROUGH FEMA TO GET THE MAP CHANGED AFTERWARDS. 
          A BUILDING PERMIT CAN BE OBTAINED SO THEY CAN GO VERTICAL WITH THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND COULD YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PLANS, AND I ASSUME THOSE ARE YOURS, UM, BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG. 
          IN TERMS OF THE FOUNDATION AND THE, UM, THE WALL THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. 
          THE, UM, THERE'S A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ON THE TEAM THAT ACTUALLY HAS DESIGNED THE WALL, AND SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU OR SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE, THE WALL DESIGN TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT HOW RICHARD, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE WALL? RICHARD DERICKSON 25 0 5 WEST PRAIRIE CREEK RICHARDSON. 
          UM, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS HAVE DESIGNED A FEW OPTIONS FOR THE WALL. 
          GIAN RIFFRAFF RIFF WRAP. 
           WAS ONE. 
          UM, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS WHERE SHOPPING CENTERS OR BIG, UH, HOME DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY'LL BUILD RETAINING WALLS OUT OF, UH, SANDSTONE OR LOOTERS STONE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UM, FOUNDATION, UM, ANCHORED INTO THE BEDROCK OPPOSED TO A, UM, A STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION. 
          SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW TODAY WHICH WALL MATERIAL WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE INTO THIS PROJECT. 
          THERE ARE OPTIONS, BUT EITHER WAY IT'LL BE STRUCTURALLY ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED ACCORDINGLY. 
          AND WAS THERE ANY, UH, UM, I, I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLACEMENT OF THE RETAINING WALL AND THE, AND CREATING THE PAD SITE, I MEAN, HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS DRIVEN BY THE HOUSE YOU WANTED TO BUILD THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, OR HOW MUCH OF IT WAS RELATED TO THE, THE, UH, DRAINAGE STUDY? HMM. 
          IT COMBINATION  SLIDE BACK IN HERE. 
          UM, THERE, THERE'S A BALANCE, RIGHT? EVERY CLIENT I WORK WITH WOULD LIKE TO MAXIMIZE THE POTENTIAL AMOUNT OF AREA THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO WORK WITHIN. 
          UM, WHEN I WAS FIRST ENGAGED THERE, THERE WAS NO HOUSE PLAN. 
          WE WANTED TO SEE WHERE ARE THE LIMITS, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN? AND THEN THE HOUSE CONCEPT PLAN CAME TO LIFE FROM THAT POINT. 
          WE PLACED THE WALL IN A 
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WAY WITH SOME OTHER GRADING IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS. 
          OTHERWISE THE WALL WOULD BE A LOT CLOSER TO THE CREEK. 
          SO WE COULD NOT HAVE TO ASK FOR A 20 FOOT SETBACK LIMIT AND, AND TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE 30 FOOT. 
          AND DID THAT, WAS THAT FACTORED INTO YOUR MODELING? LIKE, DID YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT, UH, VARIATIONS? LIKE, OH, IF WE MOVE IT OUT FIVE FEET FURTHER SOUTH, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE MODEL VERSUS FIVE FEET FURTHER NORTH? YOU KNOW, CORRECT. 
          SAY WHEN I SAY SHRINK THE PAD OR CORRECT, EXPAND THE PAD. 
          SO YOU LOOKED AT DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THAT. 
          THERE WERE A NUMBER OF INTERNAL ITERATIONS TO GET WHAT WE FELT WAS THE RIGHT BALANCE, UM, TO MAXIMIZE THE OPEN FOOTPRINT THAT HE HAD TO AVAILABLE TO WORK WITH. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT A UNIFORM SHAPE. 
          UM, AND IT SURE MAKES LIFE EASIER FOR AN ENGINEER IF THE LINES ARE STRAIGHT, RIGHT? BUT, SO WHEN WE HAVE A CURVE, IT, IT, IT PUTS CHALLENGES IN THERE. 
          IT'S, THE MODELING WAS NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          IT'S VERY UNIQUE AND CUMBERSOME AND TIME CONSUMING. 
          AND, AND THE REVIEW PROCESS IS THE SAME. 
          AND WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, JUST KINDA LOOKS LIKE A CURB LINE, BUT, UM, THAT IS THE HIGHEST ELEVATION FOR THE PAD, I'M GUESSING. 
          SO DOES THE WALL, DOES IT JUST GO STRAIGHT DOWN, IS IT, OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT TAPERED? I, OR YOU DON'T KNOW YET? WELL, THE WALL HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED, BUT MOST WALLS HAVE A BATTER TO THEM. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE TRULY VERTICAL, BUT IT WILL BE NEAR VERTICAL, I WOULD LARGELY PRESUME. 
          UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE STAIR STEPPED. 
          WE MODELED IT AS, AS A, AS A RETAINING WALL, YOU KNOW, UM, THE BATTER IS KIND OF INSIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF THE FLOOD MODELING. 
          UM, THE WALL WILL BE UP ABOVE FLOOD ELEVATIONS, WHICH IS WHY THE PROPOSED FLOODPLAIN IS ABUTTING THE WALL. 
          IT DOESN'T GET OVER THE TOP OF THE WALL. 
          SO EVERYTHING TOP OF WALL TO, UH, POINT NORTH WILL BE OUT OF THE FLOOD RISK. 
          AND DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW TALL THAT IS FROM THE CREEK BED OR BEDROCK OR WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING TO THE, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I DON'T THE ELEVATION REMEMBER OFFHAND, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S ABOUT EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT FEET, I WANNA SAY. 
          YEAH, EIGHT, EIGHT FEET AT THE MAXIMUM. 
          REALLY? OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S SURPRISING. 
          I THOUGHT IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE, WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THE WALL IN THE CHANNEL ITSELF, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE WALL IS IN THE, WHAT WE CALL THE OVERBANK OF THE CHANNEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AT THE TOE OF THE WALL LEADING DOWN TO CLOSER TO THE CHANNEL, WE DO HAVE SOME GRADE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THOSE ARE LARGELY CUT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE FILL WITH SOME CUT. 
          AS DAN ALLUDED TO EARLIER, UM, WE TOOK GREAT STEPS AND CARE TO AVOID ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WITH OUR GRADING IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. 
          AND SO I, I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT BEYOND THE FLOOD RISK EVALUATION AND THE VELOCITY EVALUATION, WE ALSO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST AND SPECIALIST THAT HAS DONE AN EVALUATION OF WHAT ARE THE LIMITS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL JURISDICTION AND HOW ARE WE IMPACTING THAT? AND THEY'RE, THIS PROJECT IS GONNA FALL UNDER A NATIONWIDE PERMIT WITHOUT, UH, UNITED STATES CORPS OF ENGINEERS NOTIFICATION. 
          AND THAT HAS ALL BEEN THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED AND COORDINATED WITH THE CITY STAFF. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER POINTER. 
          I I SAW YOUR LIGHT ON EARLIER. 
          DO YOU HAVE SOME HOW? JUST, UH, WHAT'S THE, HOW TALL ARE THOSE LANDSCAPE, UH, BARRIERS? THE BOXES? I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          FIND ELEVATION. 
          HOW TALL DO YOU WANT IT TO BE? WELL, JUST A SCALE THAT IF SOMEBODY'S ON THE SIDEWALK, THEY'RE NOT OVERWHELMED. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY FOUR FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S NOT THAT TALL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? NO. 
          NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AFTER WE HEAR FROM EVERYONE ELSE. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THIS IS, UH, YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION. 
          UH, I THINK WE'VE SO FAR RECEIVED. 
          YOU GOT COUNT 5, 6, 6 OR SEVEN. 
          AND IN OUR PACKAGE AND OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC SPEAKERS YOU WANNA CALL OUT OR JUST, UH, HAVE EVERYBODY COME FORWARD? UM, WE CAN JUST, LET'S SEE. 
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HOW ABOUT WE JUST START WITH LANE CARDWELL? HE, HE BROUGHT HIS BLUE CARD IN, SO HE, HE'S NOT IN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          LANE CARDWELL, 3,300 CANYON CREEK DRIVE, UH, SEVEN HOMES DOWN FROM THE, UH, SITE AND DISCUSSION, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORS WITH, UH, CLOSER HOMES, UH, LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIVED IN OUR HOUSE 12 YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, 43 YEARS. 
          VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION, DRIVE BY IT, PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT TIMES A WEEK, WALK BY IT FIVE TIMES A WEEK. 
          UH, IT'S PRETTY FROM A DISTANCE, UH, BUT WHEN YOU GET CLOSE, IT'S JUST A LOT OF CLUTTER. 
          BEFORE IT WAS CLEARED, A LOT OF CLUTTER. 
          WHEN WE SAW THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS GONNA HAPPEN THERE, WE NEVER REALLY FIGURED IT WOULD HAPPEN. 
          UH, WE THOUGHT THE, UH, OWNER AT SOME POINT WOULD BACK AWAY FROM CHALLENGES, UH, THE SILVER LINE COMING THROUGH, UM, AND JUST A HARD SIGHT TO WORK WITH. 
          SO LIVING SEVEN HOMES AWAY, I HAVE A VERY CLEAR VIEW OF THE BACK OF IT, BUT NOT A CLOSE VIEW. 
          NOT AS CLOSE AS SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE, BUT FROM A SELFISH STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 50-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, THE HOMES ARE 50 YEARS OLD. 
          WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING HOMES TORN DOWN AND NEW HOMES BUILT. 
          LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF AREAS THAT HAVE THAT GOING ON. 
          BUT THE THOUGHT OF HAVING A HOME WITH, WITH THIS DISTINCTION BUILT AT THE END OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A STREET THAT YOU ONLY DRIVE ON TO GET TO TWO OTHER STREETS, UM, TO CALL IT A PARKWAY IS, IS A MISNOMER, , BUT IT'S, UH, IT IS WALKED ON A LOT. 
          IT'S BIKED ON A LOT, BUT NOBODY SEES IT FROM THE FRONT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU WALK BY, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, OF NO BOTHER. 
          THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD, FOUR NEIGHBORS PROBABLY THAT HAVE A VERY CLEAR VIEW OF IT FROM THE BACK, WHAT MIGHT BE MORE IMPACTED FROM, UH, A DECISION. 
          BUT SELFISHLY, JUST TO THINK OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD UPGRADED WITH NOT JUST A, A SCRAPE AND REBUILD, BUT SOMETHING REALLY DESIGNED WITH, WITH A LOT OF DISTINCTION, I, I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RAN JONES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          R JONES, 29 30 WHITE MARSH. 
          UM, WE'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 25 YEARS, MOVED, MOVED HERE FROM NEW YORK CITY. 
          UH, NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD STAY 25 YEARS, RAISED OUR DAUGHTERS HERE, AND HAVE REALLY FALLEN IN LOVE WITH JUST THE, THE NATURE AND THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT REALLY IS DISTINCTIVE. 
          IT REALLY IS UNUSUAL. 
          UH, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF THESE NATURAL BARRIERS THAT REALLY MAKE IT, UM, FEEL LIKE A PARK SETTING, QUITE HONESTLY. 
          UM, I THINK MY MAIN CONCERN, KIND OF LISTENING TO THE TONE OF THE MEETING IS, WELL, TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, THE INTENT OF THAT PROPERTY REALLY WAS TO BE A CURTAIN, UH, A BARRIER, A SOUND BUFFER FOR THAT, THAT WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          IT WAS DISTINCTLY ATTACHED TO THE CREEK, WHICH CREATED ALSO, UH, AN ECOLOGY, IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD? AN ENVIRONMENT, UM, A WILDLIFE, A WILD SCAPE. 
          UH, I KNOW I HAVE A VIDEO OF JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AN OTTER JUST UNDER THE BRIDGE THERE FEEDING ON MUSSELS. 
          AND SO THE MUSSELS OCCURRED THERE NATURALLY BECAUSE OF THE SPRING WATER THAT COMES IN. 
          AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW UNIQUE IT IS TO HAVE TWO, WELL, A FAMILY AT TIMES OF AMERICAN RIVER OTTERS LIVING IN THAT CREEK AND FREQUENTING THAT CREEK ALONG WITH BEAVER AND NUMEROUS, UH, OTHER WILDLIFE SPECIES, YOU START TO SEE THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS AREA AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF NOT ONLY WHAT IT DOES, IT 
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MEANS TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE IT AND TO KEEP IT WHAT IT HAS BEEN FOR 50 YEARS. 
          UH, THAT SCREEN, THAT BUFFER HAS WORKED WELL FOR 50 YEARS. 
          UH, MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY REMOVING AN ANCHOR TO THIS ECOLOGY, TO THIS ENVIRONMENT THAT REALLY DOES DO A LOT TO PRESERVE THE FEEL AND THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND I WALK A LOT, I WALK, AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT IS A, THAT ROAD IS A PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU REALLY CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF CANYON CREEK. 
          YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          SO PEOPLE DO SEE IT. 
          PEOPLE ARE ON THAT ROAD A LOT. 
          UH, WE WALK THAT SIDEWALK PROBABLY EVERY NIGHT. 
          UM, AND IT'S JUST A PART OF OUR LIFE. 
          AND SO I, I AM CONCERNED THAT THE, UM, THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO DEVELOP THIS LAND HAS GONE INTO DEVELOP IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF AN INDIVIDUAL AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF A COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BILL COOK. 
          HI, I'M BILL KOCH. 
          KOCH, SORRY, SORRY. 
          KCH. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, WE LIVE AT 32 13, TAMIL HANNER AND RICHARDSON. 
          SO WE ARE NEIGHBORS, UM, SIX HOUSES, UM, DOWNSTREAM FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          SO I JUST, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THIS COMMISSION. 
          THANKS FOR STAYING UP LATE. 
          THANKS FOR CONSIDERING THESE THINGS. 
          UM, LOOK, THIS REALLY, REALLY MATTERS TO THE, TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND, AND THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, WE HAVE FOUND THE CITY GENERALLY TO BE REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW, GOOD CITIZENS CARING, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, GOOD STEWARDS FOR OUR WATERWAYS AND OUR PROPERTIES. 
          BUT THIS AREA NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION REALLY, REALLY BAD RIGHT NOW. 
          AND HERE'S WHY. 
          I MEAN, THE CITY HAS EMBRACED AND WELCOMED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CREATED SOME HUGE PROJECTS THAT TI WATER PROJECT IS ENORMOUS AND IT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. 
          IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME AND WILL BE FOR A LONG TIME MORE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, THIS, UH, REALLY LARGE WATER RETENTION POND. 
          THAT POND, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT BIG BLANK SPACE IS. 
          THAT'S A WATER COLLECTION ZONE JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IS COMPLETELY FILLED WITH SILT AND NOW CAN'T HOLD ANY WATER. 
          SO ALL THE RAINWATER COMES RUNNING THROUGH THAT AGAIN, INTO THIS CREEK. 
          WE HAVE THIS REALLY BIG, UM, UM, UH, UTD WITH ALL OF ITS PAVING, UH, THAT CONTINUES TO BE ADDED IN THAT AREA. 
          AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE CONCRETE THAT, UM, UH, IS, IS IS PUTTING MORE WATER, FASTER WATER, HIGHER VELOCITY WATER INTO, INTO THE CREEK THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND, RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSE, AND CAUSING DAMAGE. 
          SO THE VELOCITY IS INCREASING, IT'S REAL, IT'S HAPPENING IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT OF OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          SO LOOK, THE APPLICANT CAME IN HERE, STRIPPED THIS PROPERTY RAW BEAR WITHOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, PERMITS FOR, FOR, FOR PLAN, UH, FOR PREPARING THE, THE SITE. 
          UM, KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, ASKING NOW, NOW WE'VE GOTTA FIND, UH, MAKE A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND SOME REALLY UNUSUAL EXCEPTIONS AND VARIANCES AND SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS AND PERMISSION TO DO THINGS THAT ARE JUST COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT MORE IMPACT THAN JUST ONE DECISION, UM, HERE. 
          SO, BUT WE, WE MADE A, A MILLION DOLLAR RENOVATION TO OUR HOUSE, BUT WE WERE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THE CITY PLANNING, ZONING AND ORDINANCES, UM, REQUIRED, RIGHT? WE, I'D LIKE TO BUILD BIGGER, I'D LIKE TO DO MORE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE RESPECT OUR NEIGHBORS, WE RESPECT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN, AND WE REALLY RESPECT THE WATERWAYS. 
          WE HAD A BIG, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR CONSTRUCTION WAS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH, UH, WITH THE WATERWAYS. 
          SO LOOK IN, IN FAIRNESS TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS LAND, AS IT WAS ALWAYS INDICATED BEFORE, WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE, TO HAVE A HOME BUILT ON IT. 
          UM, IT WAS SOLD BY RISD FOR $15,000 TO THE COLLINS. 
          UM, THEY MADE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO TRY TO SELL THIS PROPERTY TO US AND TO OTHERS FOR OFFERING IT ON MLS FOR $750,000. 
          UM, BUT WHEN WE, ANYBODY SERIOUSLY TOOK A LOOK AT IT, THE FIRST PLACE WE WENT WAS TO THE CITY. 
          AND THE CITY SAID, THIS IS UNBUILDABLE. 
          THERE'S NO WAY, I MEAN, ACT, THE ACTUAL BUILDING SITE IS THE SIZE OF A HELIPAD IF YOU USE THE PROPER SETBACKS, BUT IF YOU PUT IT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE STREET, YOU CAN CONFIGURE THIS, THIS REALLY KINDA LONG AND AND PECULIAR, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          SO IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE. 
          IT, IT'S, IT, IT, IT, 
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IF YOU, IF YOU REALLY GIVE FAIRNESS TO THE COMMUNITY, I THINK YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE IT. 
          IT DOESN'T FIT RIGHT. 
          UM, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION FOR YOU ALL OR FOR THE CITY TO, UH, TO GRANT THIS. 
          UM, THEY TRIED ALL THE LEGAL AVENUES AT DEAD END. 
          SO THEY COME IN ASKING FOR, FOR PERMISSION, AND IT'S GONNA REQUIRE MULTIPLE RARE EXCEPTIONS. 
          SO FIRST THE ZONING CHANGE, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY ALSO REQUIRES THIS SETBACK. 
          UM, LOOK, IF I COULD GET AN EXTRA 10 OR 20 FEET FROM THE SETBACK, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A NICE ADDITION TO MY HOME. 
          AND SO WOULD EVERY OTHER HOUSE, EVERY OTHER HOUSE IN CANYON CREEK WOULD LIKE, WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. 
          SO LOOK, I ASK YOU TO STOP, LOOK, LISTEN AT THE SURROUNDING, UM, THE SITUATION, SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN BUILT, THAT'S CREATING THIS WATER FLOW. 
          THAT'S OLD INFORMATION, THAT'S A FATAL FLAW IN THIS CONSIDERATION. 
          AND YOU'VE POINTED IT OUT, CHAIRMAN, BUT THAT'S VERY OLD INFORMATION THAT'S NOT CONSIDERING THE, THE STUFF THAT THIS COUNCIL'S ALREADY APPROVED TO, TO BE BILL. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, BRAD FISHER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M, UH, BRAD FISHER. 
          WE LIVE AT, UH, 32 19 SHANTER. 
          SO WE'RE JUST THREE HOUSES, THREE HOUSES DOWN, UH, FROM THE POINT NORTH PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, IT'S PROBABLY A COMMON THEME, BUT WE'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR, WELL, IN THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE FOR TWO YEARS, BUT IN RICHARDSON FOR 27 YEARS. 
          MY WIFE WAS BORN HERE, TAUGHT SCHOOL IN RICHARDSON FOR 18 YEARS. 
          SO STRONG TIES TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          AND I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW THE APPLICANT AT ALL. 
          IF, IF WE WERE SHARING AN ALLEY, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HERE. 
          I'D BE, I WOULD BE HOME AND IN BED BY NOW, . 
          UH, BUT WE SHARE A WATERWAY, SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE. 
          SO WE ARE, YOU WERE ASKING EARLIER ABOUT THE CREEK AS IT TURNS SOUTH AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO THERE IS THE GABON WALL, UH, ON THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN WE'RE THE THIRD PROPERTY, AND WE DON'T HAVE A WALL. 
          AND OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE HAD THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS OF ENORMOUS EROSION. 
          UH, IN MAY OF LAST YEAR AFTER THE STORMS WE HAD, IT'S PROBABLY A FIVE FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT AND PROBABLY FIVE FOOT DEEP THAT WASHED AWAY. 
          OUR CREEK BANK IS 15 TO 20 FOOT HIGH, UH, JUST LIKE THE TWO HOUSES IN BETWEEN US AND THE PORT NORTH PROPERTY, UH, THAT HAVE THE GIAN WALLS. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING THE WATER COMING OFF OF THOSE WALLS AS IT TURNS AND WASHING OUR PROPERTY. 
          NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT OCCURRED IN THE FALL THAT'S ABOUT HALF OF THE SIZE OF THAT ONE. 
          AND THEN ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO, WE HAVE A TREE THAT FELL IN THE CREEK, UH, FROM, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE EDGE AND THE ROOT BALLS ARE EXPOSED, AND THERE'S TWO OTHER ONES JUST LIKE IT. 
          UH, MR. TRACY WAS OUT THERE TODAY. 
          HE SAW IT. 
          UH, UM, THE, UH, SITTING PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, MICHAEL GROVES WAS OUT LAST MAY. 
          HE SAW IT. 
          UM, HIS INDICATION TO ME AT THAT TIME WAS THAT, UH, THEY WERE GONNA WALK THE CREEK IN THE FALL AND DO A STUDY AND, AND IN THE FALL OF 24, AND THEN COME BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO PROTECT THE EROSION IN THE CREEK. 
          SO, AS I HAD TALKED TO MR. GROVES AGAIN IN DECEMBER OF 24, HE SAID THAT'S BEEN PUSHED TO 25, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IN 25. 
          MY CONCERN IS THAT AS AN EXISTING HOMEOWNER WITH EXISTING EROSION, IF STATUS QUO BEFORE IT EVEN ANYTHING HAPPENS IN THE FLOODPLAIN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF BEING OVERLOOKED. 
          UM, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KINDA SHORING UP OF THE SHORELINE THAT'S THERE NOW FOR THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS BEFORE WE START TAKING A FLYER ON CHANGING FLOODPLAINS. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERN. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          JAMES DANON, 32 11 TAMARA CHANTER LANE. 
          UH, MOVED TO RICHARDSON IN 77. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THE CURRENT HOUSE, UH, 25 YEARS. 
          I LIVE ABOUT SEVEN HOUSES DOWN FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IT IS THE SETBACK. 
          UH, MY LOT IS PLATTED FOR A 40 FOOT SETBACK. 
          I'VE ASKED THE CITY TO MOVE IT TO THE 30 FOOT THAT IS THEIR MINIMUM, AND THEY REFUSE TO DO IT. 
          AND TALKING TO THE GUY, HE SAID BASICALLY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE HIM A 20 FOOT SETBACK BECAUSE OF 
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HIS HARDSHIP. 
          AND I'M LIKE, WELL, HE'S CREATED HARDSHIP. 
          AND AS ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS SAID, WHY CAN'T I GET AN EXCEPTION TO GO TO 30 FEET? WHICH IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M JULIA KOCH AT 32 13 TAMEL HANNER. 
          AND I'M JUST GONNA READ BECAUSE I WANNA TRY TO STAY IN MY LIMIT. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN A LONG SUPPORTER OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          ITS SERVICES, ITS EMPLOYEES, AND MANY OF WHOM I HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH, UH, RENOVATING HOMES IN THE AREA. 
          MANY, LIKE ABOUT 12 HOMES THAT I RENOVATED IN THE AREA. 
          HOWEVER, WITH THE RETIREMENT OF MANY OF THESE EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEES AND STEWARDS OF OUR WATERWAYS AND PROPERTIES, PROJECTS, AND FLOODPLAIN OVERSIGHT HAVE, IN MY OPINION, SUFFERED GREATLY. 
          I DO NOT OPPOSE SUITABLE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I AM CONCERNED RECENT PROJECTS HAVE LACKED THE CITY'S BROADER LONG-TERM PLANNING OVERSIGHT WHEN ADDING TO OUR OWN HOME ALONG THE CREEK, OR RENOVATING TWO OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ABUT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROPERTY. 
          STRICT GUIDELINES WERE ENFORCED BY JIM LAC AND HIS TEAM TO PROTECT THE CREEK AND THE PROPERTIES ON IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY NO PERMITS COULD BE ISSUED ON THOSE PROJECTS WITHOUT A SITE VISIT. 
          FULL PLAN AND ENGINEERING REVIEWS AND, AND SCOPE OF WORK REVIEWS, CLEARING AND GRADING IN A FLOODPLAIN WAS PROHIBITED. 
          HERE ARE MY PRIMARY CONCERNS ABOUT CONVERTING THIS FLOOD. 
          FLOODPLAIN UTDS DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS AND WILL HAVE MADE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE WATERSHED OF THIS CREEK. 
          THE NEARBY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE INCREASED THE WATERSHED TO THIS CREEK. 
          THE PRIMARY, THE PRAIRIE CREEK MARSH IS COMPLETELY SILT FILLED AND NO LONGER HOLDS OR SLOWS. 
          STORM WATERS INCREASING THE FORCE OF STORM WATER DOWN THIS CREEK, AND YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN JUST DRIVE BY IT AND SEE IT'S, THERE'S TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF IT NOW. 
          UH, THE CITY AND TI WATER NEEDS RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF A FIVE ACRE PARK POINT NORTH PARK FOR, UM, ITS WATER NEEDS. 
          THIS WAS FIVE ACRES OF ONCE ABSORBENT LAND THAT IS NOW WATER SHUTTING INTO THIS CREEK. 
          LASTLY, THE CITY APPROVED THE CLEARING AND GRADING TO BEAR SOIL OF THIS FLOODPLAIN JUST SOUTH OF WHERE ALL OF THIS WATER ENTERS. 
          OUR CREEK SILT IS BUILDING UP IN THE CREEK AND IN THE DOWNSTREAM FLOODPLAINS. 
          ONE OF THOSE IS MY HOUSE. 
          OUR HOUSE, WE ARE LOSING TREES. 
          BANKS ARE ERODING FOUNDATIONS, POOLS AND DECKS ARE AT RISK. 
          NOW, THE CITY'S GAB AND WALL DID NOT PLAN FOR THIS LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OR THE LARGE RETAINING WALL PROPOSED AS PART OF CONVERTING THIS FLOODPLAIN TO A RESIDENTIAL SITE. 
          I HAVE FOUR REQUESTS BEFORE I WOULD SUPPORT ANY PLAN LIKE THIS. 
          COMPLETE THE 20 24 5 YEAR ENGINEERING STUDY THAT WAS DEFERRED TO 2025. 
          I'LL BE QUICK, EXTEND THE CITY'S GABON WALL TO THE HOME SOUTH OF POINT NORTH, NORTH BRIDGE, WHICH ARE AT RISK. 
          DREDGE THE PRAIRIE CREEK MARSH TO SLOW AND RETAIN FLOOD WATER AND REQUIRE IMMEDIATE EROSION CONTROL OF THIS SITE BY INSTALLING AND MAINTAINING SOD OR RYEGRASS. 
          PLEASE TAKE A PAUSE. 
          THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON AROUND THIS SITE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THIS AND THAT DATA IS OLD DATA. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS MARK COMMANDERS AND I LIVE AT 3, 2, 2, 1, HANNER. 
          I'M ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES WHO HAS THE GIAN WALL IN THE BACK, AND I LOOK DIRECTLY ONTO THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND, UH, I'M HERE, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE HYDRAULICS BECAUSE BEING ON THAT CREEK, I LIVE IN MY BACKYARD. 
          UM, MY WIFE TOOK OVER MY OFFICE. 
          MY OFFICE IS NOW AT THE OUTDOOR DECK, WHICH IS RIGHT OVER THE GIAN WALL. 
          AND DURING RAINS, I GREW UP ON THIS CREEK. 
          I WENT TO ALRIDGE ELEMENTARY. 
          I, I, I THINK OUR FAMILY MOVED HERE WHEN I WAS IN FOURTH GRADE. 
          SO I'VE KNOWN THIS CREEK ALL MY LIFE. 
          AND TO 
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SEE THIS WATER TO BE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT, WHEN WE GET THREE INCHES OF RAIN WITHIN THREE HOURS, THOSE GAVE ME WALLS. 
          EACH GAVE ME, THERE'S ABOUT A LITTLE SHY OF THREE FEET AT THE NORMAL LEVEL. 
          I'M FIVE FEET. 
          I'VE GOT FIVE LEVELS OF THAT COMING UP TO MY DECK. 
          WHEN WE GET THREE INCHES OF RAIN, IT JUMPS THREE LEVELS, ALMOST NINE FEET. 
          AND IF YOU CAN PICTURE NINE FEET FROM WHERE WE ARE BACK, IT GOES TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE AND ALMOST UP TO THE OUTHOUSE ON THE BY. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S A NUMBER FIVE T OFF. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLE THE AMOUNT OF WATER. 
          MY CONCERN IS DIVERTING THAT WATER. 
          HOWEVER LITTLE BIT THAT WALL DOES THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON A IAN WALL, BUT ACROSS THE CREEK ON THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY, THAT'S A CCHE CLIFF, THE SAME THAT BRAD HAS DOWNSTREAM FROM ME. 
          SO WE'VE GOT CCHI ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WHERE THE PROPOSED WALL WOULD BE. 
          WE'VE GOT CCHI DOWNSTREAM FROM ME. 
          IF Y'ALL COULD ONLY SEE THE VELOCITY OF THE WATER THAT COMES DOWN THERE, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          AND AGAIN, AND THIS WAS ALL RECENTLY WHEN WE HAD, UH, SHRUBS, ANY STUFF, ANYTHING TO SLOW THE WATER DOWN. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST DIRT AND THE WATER MOVES FASTER. 
          I WOULD EVEN CONSIDER WHERE THAT GABON WALL GOES UP TO THE NORTH. 
          I WOULD CONSIDER MOVING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT ALSO POOLS IN THERE. 
          IT'S REALLY INCREDIBLE THE THE FORCE OF THE WATER, WHAT THAT DOES ON THE CREEK, THE EROSION. 
          SO I WOULD ACTUALLY CONSIDER ALSO, AS JULIE SAID, IT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING INTO ANOTHER STUDY, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE, THE CONSTRUCTION WE'VE HAD IN THAT AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, I SAID TOO LONG. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HI THERE. 
          MY NAME IS MARYANNE FRALEY AND I RESIDE AT 32 15 TAMMY HANNER. 
          AND I GUESS I'M KIND OF THE STARTER OF ALL THESE PROBLEMS. UM, I'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR 52 YEARS, AND, UH, IT STARTED, UH, THE THIRD YEAR WE LIVED THERE, WE STARTED GETTING THE FLOODS AND IT STARTED OUT LIKE TWO OR THREE A YEAR, THEN IT WENT UP TO FIVE TO 10 A YEAR. 
          UM, AND, AND SERIOUS FLOODING. 
          AND, UM, SO WE TALKED TO THE CITY, AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK BOB HUEY WAS CITY MANAGER. 
          HE SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN PUT IN A, HE HAD GONE TO TMLL DOWN IN AUSTIN, AND, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE DETENTION PONDS NEAR ALL CONSTRUCTION AND STUFF TO SLOW DOWN THE VELOCITY OF THE CREEK. 
          AND, UM, SO HE DECIDED, THEY DECIDED TO DO THAT. 
          THE CITY PUT IN THAT DETENTION POND. 
          YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT SAVED BEFORE THAT DETENTION POND. 
          THE, THE, I HAVE, I, MY HOUSE SITS BETWEEN FLOOD EASEMENT AND SEWER EASEMENT. 
          THE SEWER EASEMENT GOES FROM CANYON CREEK DRIVE TO HANNER. 
          IT'S ENCASED IN CONCRETE. 
          THE VELOCITY WAS 15 FEET OVER THAT CONCRETE PIECE. 
          AND WHEN BOB DECIDED TO DO THAT, AND, UH, ANYWAY, I GUESS I FEEL BAD THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE HAVING THESE PROBLEMS NOW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE OTHER PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S SO INCREDIBLE. 
          MS. K THAT JUST FINISHED TALKING TO YOU, SHE USED TO CATCH TADPOLES IN THAT CREEK. 
          HER DAD AND MOM LIVED TWO DOORS DOWN AND BE, THEN SHE MOVED AWAY TO, WENT TO TECH, I THINK CAME BACK AND THEN BOUGHT A HOUSE AT THE OTHER END OF THE STREET AND BUILT THAT. 
          AND THEY'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL HOMES. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS AREA. 
          OUR KIDS ALL COME BACK AND THEY BUY THEIR HOUSES. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE FOR SO LONG. 
          THEY REMODEL THEM AFTER THEY TAKE IT OVER. 
          BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR THE CITY TO LOOK AT IS THE BIG PICTURE. 
          NOBODY EVER LOOKS AT THE BIG PICTURE. 
          I KNOW WHERE THIS CREEK STARTS. 
          IT STARTS IN FRISCO AND IT'S, UM, I WENT UP THERE JUST TO SEE WHERE IT STARTED, BUT IT'S, UM, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO READ MY NOTES HERE. 
          UH, YOU HAVE UTD, YOU HAVE ALL THE VACANT LAND. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT UT D'S MASTER PLAN, OR EVEN LOOK AT OUR CITY PLAN, 
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YOU WILL SEE ALL THE EMPTY PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED, LIKE THE CORNER OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE, BECAUSE START IS ACROSS THE STREET, IT'S GONNA BE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          EVERY SINGLE BIT OF CONCRETE THAT IS POURED INCREASES VELOCITY IN THIS, IN THIS WATERSHED. 
          I'VE JUST ONE MORE THING HERE. 
          AND THE DOWNSTREAM IS INCREDIBLE. 
          I OWN A QUARTER ACRE THAT'S ONLY A FOOT HIGHER THAN THE CREEK. 
          MY PRO, MY REGULAR HOUSE PROPERTY IS 22 FEET ABOVE. 
          WHEN THOSE BIG THINGS USED TO COME, THE FLOODWAY WOULD BACK UP, THE WATER WOULD BLACK UP IN THE FLOODWAY AND COME TO MY FRONT DOOR ON HANNER. 
          AND I'M 22 FEET ABOVE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY ALL THIS WAS DONE. 
          BUT I FEEL REALLY BAD THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE HAVING SO MANY, UM, PROBLEMS NOW. 
          AND I WOULD ACTUALLY, THE DOWN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I HAVE TO. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? HEY GUYS, I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO I'LL KIND OF WRAP THIS UP HERE, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR Y'ALL SERVICE AND TIME. 
          UM, MY NAME'S PATRICK FRALEY, UH, 32 15 HANNER. 
          I'M ONE OF THE, UH, THE CHILDREN THAT'S COME BACK TO, UH, PURCHASE THE HOMES, UH, WITH MY WIFE, UM, KELSEY HERE IN THE BACK. 
          UM, HAVING LIVED ON THIS CREEK MY ENTIRE LIFE, UM, I'VE GOT TO SEE IT ALL. 
          AND, UH, JULIA, SHE'S LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. 
          WE KIND OF GREW UP TOGETHER. 
          WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THIS CREEK. 
          UM, THE INITIAL INTENT FOR THEM TO COME IN AND BUILD THAT AVIAN WALL WAS GREAT. 
          THERE'S SOME REAL THOUGHT BEHIND THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSES ARE FALLING THAT, YOU KNOW, INTO THE ACTUAL CREEK. 
          UM, THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY ALSO STOPPED IS 'CAUSE OF MONEY, A LOT OF THINGS. 
          BUT THERE'S STILL THAT PRO PROBLEM OF THESE HOUSES COMING IN AND GETTING FLOODED IN. 
          UH, ONE OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS UP HERE, BRAD, HE HAD, I DON'T EVEN THINK HE, HE, IT WAS A MASSIVE HOLE. 
          , HALF HIS YARD FELL OFF INTO THE CREEK. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS FULLY UNDERSTAND AND, AND, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, I, I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU LIVE ON A CREEK TYPE ENVIRONMENT IN SPRING CREEK BECAUSE YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS, THESE STUDIES, GIVEN THAT IT'S OLD STUDIES, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THEY'RE GIVEN THAT. 
          BUT THE, THESE STUDIES CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT THIS FLOW IS TRULY GOING TO DO DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT'S SO OLD. 
          ALL THIS, ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT TI HAS BEEN DOING. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE AMOUNT OF PROGRESS AND STUFF THAT HAS BEEN BUILT UPSTREAM, I THINK FIRST EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KIND OF AGAINST, UH, I THINK IT WAS REALLY WELL SAID, TAKE A STEP BACK AND ANALYZE THIS. 
          AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THIS. 
          UH, UH, THESE, THESE PEOPLE. 
          I, I LOVE THE FACT THE GUY'S COMING IN, UH, USED TO LIVE IN RICHARDSON. 
          HE'S COMING BACK. 
          I LOVE THIS IDEA. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE, THE PROPERTY FOR THIS, IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED FOR THIS. 
          THERE'S A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET SETBACKS, UH, CERTAIN SETBACKS FOR OUR PROPERTIES. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU GUYS COME IN AND YOU SAY, HEY, THERE, THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CERTAIN REASONS OR ELSE YOU GET ALL THIS ODD AREAS LIKE CARROLLTON. 
          NO OFFENSE. 
          THERE'S SOME ODD ZONING IN CARROLLTON. 
          OKAY? THE OTHER THING IS, MOVING FORWARD, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE NEXT 3, 4, 5 HOUSES INCLUDING OURS, THAT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T AFFORD A, A, A $2 MILLION WALL THAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO BUILD. 
          I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN ATTEST THAT I'M SURE IT'S A GREAT WALL TOO. 
          I'M NOT, IT'S GONNA BE AN EXPENSIVE WALL. 
          NOT ONLY IS IT GONNA FLOW THAT WATER DOWN FASTER WITH MORE VELOCITY, MORE PACE, TEARING OUT OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY INTO THE CREEK IS GONNA DO SOME REAL DAMAGE DOWN, DOWN THE STREAM. 
          NOT TO MENTION THE SILT, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO IN, AND WE WON'T EVEN HAVE A PROPER CREEK ANYMORE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CALLED CANYON CREEK FOR A REASON. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE PROPER THOUGHT BEFORE THINGS GET PUT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ALL 
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RIGHT, MR. COLLINS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP AND, UH, YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO RESPOND TO THAT? WHAT YOU JUST HEARD? OH, THANK Y'ALL FOR THE WARM WELCOME . 
          FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA, I FEEL LIKE I'M, I'M UP HERE DEFENDING MYSELF AND I, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I'M GONNA DEFEND THE CITY REAL QUICK. 
          UH, THEY HAVE WATCHED OVER EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE THERE. 
          EVERY TIME ONE OF Y'ALL CALLS, THEY CALL ME. 
          THE EROSION CONTROL THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS TRIPLE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SWIP. 
          EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE ON THERE, THE SWIP IS WITH THE STATE AND WITH THE CITY. 
          WE HAVE DONE IT THE RIGHT WAY. 
          EVERY TIME IT RAINS, DAN TRACY IS THERE EVERY SINGLE TIME. 
          MY CREW IS THERE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER EVERY RAIN, THERE HAS BEEN NO EROSION ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          WE CAN PROVE IT. 
          SO LET'S JUST GO WITH THAT. 
          THERE HAS BEEN NO EROSION. 
          THERE'S EROSION CONTROL MAT EVEN ON THE BANK. 
          MR. COLLINS, CAN YOU JUST DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION? SO, SO SAME WITH THE AUDIENCE. 
          JUST THE, THE, THE SW THAT WE WERE REQUIRED WAS REQUIRED ON THE CENTER SECTION ON THE CREEK. 
          WE WENT THE WHOLE WAY. 
          IT WAS NOT REQUIRED ON THE TRIBUTARY. 
          WE DID ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TRIBUTARY. 
          IT WAS NOT REQUIRED IN THE CENTER SECTION OF IT. 
          WE DID THAT. 
          WE ALSO PUT WALL HOLES AND WE WATCH IT AFTER EVERY RAINFALL. 
          IT WAS SUGGESTED TO ME AND NOT REQUIRED THAT WE GO AHEAD AND DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY. 
          IT WAS VERY LENGTHY AND VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND NOT ONLY DID WE DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, THEY WAITED UNTIL THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL. 
          IT'S IN THE STUDY. 
          IT WASN'T JUST WILLY-NILLY DONE. 
          IT WAS AFTER A FOUR DAY SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL. 
          SO WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE LAW OF THE CITY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN IT, NOT TO MENTION FUNDS. 
          AND SO, UH, TO SPEAKER NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU, SPEAKER NUMBER TWO. 
          YOUR QUESTION WAS THE TREES COMING OUT? NOT QUESTION, BUT YOUR CONCERN WAS THAT THEY USED TO BE A GOOD NATURAL SOUND BUFFER. 
          WE LISTENED TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE DESIGNED THE HOUSE THE WAY WE DID WITH THE CONCRETE WALLS ON THE SIDE TO BE A MAJOR SOUND BUFFER TO EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA. 
          IT IS GONNA BE QUIETER DART'S COMING THROUGH. 
          THERE'S BEEN A BUNCH OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, UH, TO MR. KOCH. 
          DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT YOUR FEET, YOUR FIGURE, BUT THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT FOR YOU TO STAY OUT THERE WHEN WE PAID FOR IT. 
          BUT YOU'RE WAY OFF. 
          WE BOUGHT IT FROM THE RISD, UM, MR. FISHER. 
          SO WE'VE, WE HIRED WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE BEST FIRM AROUND CARDINAL ENGINEERING. 
          THEY HAVE, THEY UNDERSTAND THE CREEKS AND RICHARDSON, AND THEY'RE THE GO-TO FIRM. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A FEMA ISSUE, A FLOODPLAIN ISSUE OR A FLOOD WAY ISSUE, THERE'S ALSO, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT, THE THING THAT GAVE ME MOST, UH, POSITIVITY WAS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A LEVY ABOVE, WHICH IS ALSO MENTIONED ON FEMA AND A MAJOR RETENTION POND ABOVE THIS CREEK. 
          IT'S THE MOST CONSTANT LEVEL CREEK AROUND AS FAR AS CONTROL GOES. 
          SORRY, I NORMALLY DON'T GET NERVOUS, BUT  THE SETBACK GOING TO 20 FEET. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT AFFECTS ANYBODY. 
          THERE'S NO HOMES ON EITHER SIDE. 
          IT'S THE ONLY HOME ON THE STREET. 
          UM, WE HAD OUR INITIAL DESIGN, WHICH I'M NOT GONNA SHOW HERE. 
          TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE SPOKE TO SOME PEOPLE, HAD A LOT OF PUSHBACK. 
          SO WE DID THIS FOR A MINIMUM PUSHBACK, SINGLE STORY, NOT A TWO STORY, NOT A BIG MANSION. 
          UH, VERY QUALITY BUILD, NO CANTILEVER HOME, WHICH IS WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOTTA GO WITH THE EXPERTS AND WITH FEMA, WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM. 
          WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE FLOW RATE IN THIS CREEK. 
          THAT IS WHAT FEMA'S HERE FOR. 
          THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLY EXTENSIVE STUDY AND VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THE CITY HAS ASKED US TO DO AND GONE BEYOND THAT. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T HAPPY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE EROSION IN THE CREEK, BUT THIS IS NOT CAUSING THAT. 
          WE HAVE NOT CAUSED ANY EROSION ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          IT WAS MEASURED WHEN WE STARTED, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT NOW. 
          THE BANK HAS NOT ERODED. 
          I THINK I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. 
          I JUST, WE FOLLOWED THE LETTER OF THE LAW. 
          WE HIRED THE RIGHT EXPERTS, AND WE PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD ON THIS TO 
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DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND NOT AFFECT ANYBODY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR MR. ACK? I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, OUR CITY STAFF. 
          UH, I OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T HAVE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF ME FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THIS IS APPROVED. 
          UH, IF WE DO APPROVE OR THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE PD, IS THIS PLAN GONNA NEED TO GO BEFORE ZBA? JUST, OR, OR IS THAT ALREADY DONE? NO, IT WILL NOT. 
          THEY'RE BASICALLY ASKING FOR THEIR OWN ZONING DISTRICT BY DOING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, IF THIS GETS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL, IT WILL SET THE FRONT YARD SETBACK AT 20 FEET. 
          GOT IT. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING RAISE YOUR HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          SO, UH, NOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK THOSE. 
          OR IF YOU WANNA DELIBERATE AMONGST THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, I ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS EARLIER, SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU GUYS TO WHATEVER. 
          GOOD QUESTION, . 
          UH, THEN I'LL LEAD OFF. 
          UM, SO LOOK, I THINK THIS, UM, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. 
          UH, LIKE I SAY, I REALLY LOVE IT FROM, UM, THE, THE, THE SOUTH SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE. 
          I'M STILL NOT COMPLETELY SOLD ON WITH THE 20 FOOT SETBACK AND THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, THAT'S A LOT OF PAVEMENT, UH, RIGHT THERE BETWEEN ESSENTIALLY THE CURB AND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, AND, UH, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE WALKING, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST YOU AND YOUR WIFE OR WHATEVER, IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO SEPARATION BETWEEN THE, THE SIDEWALK AND, AND THE, UH, DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT EITHER WAY. 
          IS IT AN IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S CERTAINLY A BIG INVESTMENT YOU WOULD BE MAKING INTO THE CITY AND THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT CHEAP TO BUILD THAT KIND OF RETAINING WALL WITH THE FILL AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THE STYLE OF THE HOME. 
          IT'S A BIG HOUSE. 
          UM, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUGE PROJECT AND HUGE INVESTMENT. 
          UH, SO, UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM A PUBLIC AESTHETIC VIEWPOINT, YOU KNOW, IS IT AN ENHANCEMENT? YOU CAN, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT IT EITHER WAY. 
          UM, CERTAINLY IT'S NOT A VERY ATTRACTIVE SITE TODAY THAT IT'S BEEN CLEARED AND GRADED. 
          I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE. 
          CAN I REPLY TO THAT? NO, YOU CAN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'VE CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IN FACT, YOU CAN SIT DOWN IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          UH, SO I'M SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION AND TO THE PUBLIC THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A VIEW OF THE GOLF COURSE, YOU HAVE A VIEW OF THE CREEK AS YOU WALK BY, AS YOU DRIVE BY. 
          THAT'S ONE VIEW. 
          AND YOU CAN SAY, THAT'S THE VIEW I WANNA KEEP. 
          UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS IT'S OPEN. 
          YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE IS, THAT, DOESN'T MEAN WE ALWAYS GOTTA GO BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THAT'S GUIDANCE THAT WAS GIVEN. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, A HUGE, UH, HOME BRAND NEW, MODERN CONTEMPORARY COULD BE NICE TOO, EXCEPT THAT IT'S JUST A BIG WALL TO ME. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURALLY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF IMPOSING. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M KIND OF GOING TOWARDS THE, THE IMPACT OF THE CREEK AND UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A STUDY THAT CITY, UH, ENGINEERING HAS LOOKED AT, UM, A QUALIFIED ENGINEER FEMA, UH, THAT HAVE MORE OR LESS BLESSED IT AS IT'S OKAY. 
          UH, BUT I GREW UP ON THE CREEK TOO. 
          I GREW UP ON PRAIRIE CREEK. 
          I LIVE RIGHT OFF SPRING CREEK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I DO KNOW, I, I NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE AND I'VE SEEN THE, IM IMPACT OVER THE YEARS. 
          AND I, I GREW UP IN PRAIRIE CREEK, UM, UH, GOING BACK, UH, TO ABOUT 1970 OR SO. 
          UH, SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. 
          UH, SO I'VE SEEN THE CHANGES THERE. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT HAS GOTTEN WORSE. 
          AND, UH, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, HOMES 
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ARE BEING IMPACTED. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE'VE GOT VIRTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SO MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AGAINST THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, I THINK WE HEARD ONE AND, AND, AND IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT, UH, THAT ALWAYS CONCERNS ME, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND HAVE INVESTED THERE, YOU KNOW, BEEN THERE ALL THEIR SO FOR SO LONG, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS IMPACTS THEM. 
          AND WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET SO MANY OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S WHY, UM, I, I, I HAVE A, I HAVE A TOUGH TIME APPROVING THIS AS IT IS. 
          SO COMMISSIONER BONAC. 
          OKAY, SO, SO HELP ME WITH THE HISTORY HERE ON, THERE'S A, WAS THERE A PROJECT, BECAUSE I'M UNFAMILIAR TO, I MEAN, IS THERE AN ONGOING PROJECT TO, UM, TO CORRECT THE EROSION OR NO, FOR THE WHOLE CREEK? LIKE, I KNOW FEMA TAKES FOREVER, BUT SURE. 
          I, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ONGOING PROJECT, UM, ON A, ON A ROUTINE BASIS, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE LEAD UP TO, UH, A BOND PROGRAM. 
          UH, WE WILL DO A ASSESSMENT OF ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE WAYS. 
          UM, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT OUR NEXT BOND PROGRAM IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS OR SO. 
          UH, AND SO I, I BELIEVE THE ASSESSMENT THAT, THAT MR. GROVES WAS, WAS MENTIONING WAS SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE DO WHEN WE WALK OUR CREEKS AND SEE WHERE THE, THE, THE PROBLEM SPOTS ARE. 
          UM, THE, THERE'S KIND OF A TENSION IN THAT THERE, THERE'S A COUNCIL POLICY THAT WE WANT TO KEEP CREEKS AS NATURAL AS, AS THEY CAN BE, BUT WE ALSO WANNA PROTECT PROPERTY FROM, FROM EROSION, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT STARTS TO, TO IMPACT, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF A CASE BY CASE. 
          UH, WE KIND OF ASSESS THE SITUATION AND DETERMINE, UM, DOES IT RISE TO THE LEVEL IF WE NEED TO TAKE CORRECT CORRECTIVE ACTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, UH, WE WILL BE DOING THAT ASSESSMENT, UM, IN, UH, THIS YEAR AND LIKE I SAID, IN THE, IN THE LEAD UP TO THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, THAT'LL GIVE US OUR WORK PLAN FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE FOR THE NEXT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, A PORTION WOULD BE DONE. 
          I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS A PROPERTY OWNER. 
          HE OWNS, HE OWNS THIS PROPERTY, CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT. 
          THEY CREATED THIS BEAUTIFUL OASIS FOR THEMSELVES THAT THEY COULD USE THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE, STILL STAY IN THE COMMUNITY STILL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO SIDES WE'RE LIVING UP TO, HEY, LET'S REVITALIZE. 
          AND HERE IS A PLAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND AT LEAST FIX A PORTION OF THAT CREEK. 
          NOW, IF THE CREEK, IF THAT RETAINING WALL IS GOING TO CAUSE DAMAGE EVERYWHERE ELSE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT, IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL AND AT LEAST GET PART OF IT DONE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD BE INCLINED TO APPROVE, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, I, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO HOLD A POSITION VERY SIMILAR TO YOURS. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF I WAS GONNA BUILD A HOUSE WHEN I GOT IN THE ROOM AND NOBODY IN THAT ROOM SEEMED TO BE VERY FRIENDLY TO ME, I MIGHT THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT PLACE TO BUILD A HOUSE, NUMBER ONE. 
          BUT NUMBER TWO, I, I KNOW FROM WALKING THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE NATURE TRAIL, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO THOSE CREEKS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME IN, COME IN THERE AFTER A HEAVY RAIN AND THERE'S, UH, DETRITUS 15 FEET UP ON THE SIDE, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S MORE WATER COMING DOWN THE CREEK. 
          I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, BUT I, I JUST, I LIKE YOUR VISION, BUT I CAN'T BUY INTO IT. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          EITHER EITHER OF YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT OR WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          YEAH, I'LL WEIGH IN. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH CALL. 
          UM, FOR ME. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UH, I, I LEAN TOWARDS APPROVAL. 
          UM, I, I HEAR THE COMMENTS OF, OF THE FOLKS IN, IN PARTICULAR, THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WHO ARE IN THE ADJACENT AREA. 
          UM, BUT I, I LOOK AT THE, THE ALTERNATIVES HERE, UM, AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          AND WHILE I HEAR SOME OF THE, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE, UH, ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, I, I SUPPOSE 
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THAT ON A WHOLE, I THINK THAT, UH, IT, IT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A, A POSITIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I AM ALSO NOT AN ENGINEER. 
          AND, UM, I LIVE, UM, FAIRLY CLOSE TO, TO THIS PROPERTY AND, AND WALK BY THE CREEKS. 
          AND I HAVEN'T BEEN IN, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS LONG AS, UH, MANY OF, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT HAVE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I GUESS ON MY, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE ON THAT, UH, IS THAT EROSION IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, A A NATURAL PROCESS AND WILL INCREASE, UH, OVER TIME. 
          UM, AND I LOOK TO, UH, THE EXPERTS TO, AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED, UM, WITH THE APPROPRIATE EXPERTS. 
          AND SO I LOOK TO THOSE EXPERTS TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR DECISION. 
          AND, UM, IN LIGHT OF, OF OF THOSE REASONS, I THINK I'M INCLINED TO, TO VOTE FOR APPROVAL. 
          I'M INCLINED TO VOTE FOR APPROVAL. 
          I DO FEEL LIKE THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE SOMEHOW SOME WAY LOOKED AT COMPREHENSIVELY, UM, TO ASSURE THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON STAFF CAN, CAN, CAN RESPOND TO THAT. 
          IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT ANNUAL SURVEY, IS THERE ANYTHING BEYOND THAT OR FOR THE CREEK OR IS IT THAT ANNUAL WALK SURVEY? UH, IT, IT WOULD, FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE, IT COULD BE THAT, THAT SURVEY, THAT ANNUAL, OR NOT ANNUAL, BUT THE, IN THE, IN THE LEAD UP TO THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          KIND OF BLOCK SURVEY. 
          AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, WHEN WOULD, ABOUT, WHEN WOULD THAT OCCUR OR? UM, PROBABLY SOMETIME, UM, THIS SUMMER OR THIS FALL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THAT SOMETHING CITIZENS CAN BE INVOLVED IN OR IT'S ON THEIR BEHALF? THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY INVOLVED IN RESIDENTS? LET ME, LET ME VISIT WITH STAFF ON THAT. 
          I'M, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND, AND OKAY. 
          UM, HOW THEY FACILITATE THAT. 
          I, I DO, I DO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE, UM, THE CONCERN FOR THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR THAT PIECE OF NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UH, I DID WANNA POINT TO TWO PEOPLE THERE. 
          I, ANNE FRALEY, WHO SPOKE LAST WAS A FORMER CITY COUNCIL PERSON, SO SHE'S LOOKED AFTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I DON'T KNOW JULIA, PERSONALLY, I'VE SAID HELLO, BUT SHE TOO HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY IT AND, AND LOVE IT. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, IF WE CAN MENTION THE WORD LOVE AND PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT LOVE FOR THE NATURE AND FOR FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER KELLY, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? SURE. 
          UM, I WOULD MOVE, UH, THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZONING FILE 25 0 5 AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          UH, AND A SECOND, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED PASSES THREE TO TWO. 
          UH, MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER BEACH IN OPPOSITION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? OH, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER THING. 
          A COUPLE, UH, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE FOR COMMISSIONER BONAC. 
          SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU. 
          AND, UH, WE GAVE YOU A LONG ONE TO GO OUT ON, SO I KNOW YOU'LL , YOU'LL BE YEAH. 
          BUT THANK, THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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