* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER ] [00:00:05] GOOD EVENING. I CALL THIS MEETING WITH RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. IT IS 6:00 PM FIRST AND HONOR OUR AGENDA. COUNCIL MEMBER CURTIS DORY WILL LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE WILL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A SMALL PRAYER. WE THANK EVERYONE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT. PLEASE GUIDE OUR HEARTS AS WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS. HELP US VALUE AND APPRECIATE THE ONES WE ARE ABOUT TO MEET. AND MAY WE LISTEN AND HEAR FROM EACH OTHER. WE ASK THIS FOR YOUR GLORY AND PRAISE. AMEN. AMEN. TEXAS OR THE AMERICAN FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FRAUD. THE TEXAS FLAG UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE, STATE UNDER GOD. ONE. AN INDIVISIBLE IN. THANK YOU MR. DORIAN. SUPPOSED TO [3. MINUTES OF THE MARCH 24, 2025, APRIL 7, 2025, AND APRIL 7, 2025 (SPECIAL CALLED MEETING) MEETINGS ] BE WE'LL. NOW GO TO ITEM THREE MINUTES OF THE MARCH, 24, 20 FIFTH, 24TH, 2025. APRIL 7TH, AND 2025. APRIL 7TH, 2025. SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS. LOOKING FOR A MOTION. MR. HUTCHIN, WRITER, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES AS PUBLISHED. MR. DORIAN, I'LL SECOND THAT. GOT A MOTION? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM ] ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITOR FORUM. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE ARE IN, UH, RECEIPT OF A, A NUMBER OF CARDS THAT I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE HERE, UH, IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE. AND WE DO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL SPEAKERS, UM, ALREADY SIGNED UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I'LL, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS THAT WE RECEIVED IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE. THEN I'LL READ THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR, UH, SPEAKERS AND VISITORS, WHICH WILL APPLY TO, UH, BOTH THAT SECTION AND THE, AND THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. UM, SO LET ME FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE MS. UH, PATRICIA GRIFFIN'S COMMENTS 4 41 VALE GLEN, UH, REGARDING, UH, ACTION ITEMS 11 AND 12. UH, AND, UH, SHE IS AGAINST, UH, UH, MS. NANCY GALE FISHER OF 32 19 TAMO SHANTER, UH, ITEM 13 AND AGAINST LORI LAUREN WILLIAMSON OF 4 35 CRESTO CIRCLE. UH, AGAIN, ITEM, UM, I ASSUME 12 N 13 AGAINST, AND KIM MCCORD, 33 0 8 CANYON CREEK DRIVE. AND, UH, ITEMS 12 AND 13 NEUTRAL. UH, LET ME, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT TURN THOSE COMMENTS IN THAT THE COM THE COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED A FULL COPY OF YOUR COMMENTS AND, UH, HAVE THOSE IN ADVANCE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. SO, FOR THE, UM, UH, SPEAKERS TONIGHT, REGARDLESS OF, UH, WHAT, UH, ITEM YOU'RE HERE ON, IF YOU WOULD, UH, JUST KIND OF, UH, LISTEN TO THE INSTRUCTIONS, UH, DURING THIS INITIAL PORTION, UH, OF THE, UH, COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT. 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. UH, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED. IF THERE'S TIME LEFT DURING THE INITIAL 30 MINUTES AND NEEDED, UM, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITOR'S FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. ALL SPEAKER SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY'S SECRETARY. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. WHEN THE TIMERS BEEP, THE SPEAKERS SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF, AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE C CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. UH, SPEAKERS SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE. SPEAKER. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF MAY, UH, WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, A POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED HER IF AFFIRM FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES DURING THE MEETING. UH, MAYOR, I'LL ASK MS. EMER IF THERE'S ANYONE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. YES. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MAYOR RANDALL NORWOOD. [00:05:10] GOOD EVENING. I'M RANDALL NORWOOD. I LIVE AT 1506 CANTERBURY COURT, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE HILL, ACROSS THE CREEK. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. WE'VE GOT AN ELECTION COMING UP SHORTLY. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR, I'VE RIGHT, WENT BACK AND LOOKED IT UP TODAY FOR 61 YEARS IN CITY. I WATCHED IT GROW. UH, THE HILTON HOTEL USED TO SIT IN THE MIDDLE OF A WHEAT FIELD. I LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THE LIBRARY AND CITY HALL NOW STANDS, WHICH WAS A HAY FIELD OUT IN A HOUSE AT FOUR ACRES. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ACCUSATIONS MADE ABOUT OUR CITY AND HOW IT'S BEEN RUN. I GOT A, A BROCHURE IN THE MAIL. SOMEBODY WENT TO A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF TIME TO PRINT THAT UP AND SEND IT OUT IN THE MAIL. ALL I'M SAYING IS WHEN YOU DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, THINK TWICE I CAN REMEMBER. YOU COULDN'T GET HERE AND SPEAK LIKE I AM TONIGHT. OUR CITY COUNCIL WAS CONTROLLED BY A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE. A LOT OF YOU MAY REMEMBER IT, SOME OF YOU MAY NOT, BUT THE CITIZENS GOT TOGETHER, GOT A PETITION UP, AND WE NOW HAVE THE SYSTEM WE HAVE TONIGHT WITH TERM LIMITS. AND IF THEY COULD NOT VOTE YOU WITHIN SIX YEARS, THEY COULD GET RID OF YOU BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SERVE ANY LONGER. THOSE PEOPLE CONTROLLED THIS CITY FOR YEARS, AND WE DIDN'T DO ANY GOOD. NOW, I'M PROUD TO THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. THERE'S NOT MANY VACANT PROPERTIES LEFT WITHIN OUR CITY, AND WE'RE LANDLOCKED. WE'VE GOT FOUR STREETS, BASICALLY THAT GO EAST AND WEST, AND I THINK GOT PLANO ROAD AND 75 IN CUSTER AND COURT THAT GO NORTH AND SOUTH, AND THEY'RE BUSY EVERY DAY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, BUT TAKE A SECOND THOUGHT ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE LEFT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. NORWOOD. MS. NEER, IS THAT IT? NO FURTHER CARDS, MAYOR. THANK YOU. [5. CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, COMMUNITY INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, AND SIGN CONTROL BOARD ] NOW GO TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, COMMUNITY INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT, COMMISSION, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, AND SIGN BOARD, MS. JUSTICE. UM, MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPOINT JEREMY THOMASON AS VICE CHAIR OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE REMAINDER OF HIS TERM IN KRISTEN SK TO FILL IN AN UNRE, AN UNEXPIRED TERM ON THE SAME COMMISSION. GOT A MOTION MR. DORIAN SECOND. GOT A MOTION? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MR. HUT RIDER. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT KRISTEN CAESAR AS VICE-CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY INCLUSION ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION. GOT A MOTION THAT I GET A SECOND. MR. SECOND. ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MAYOR PRO TIM. MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO A APPOINT FOR THE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION. TERRY ZIEGLER, FOR THE, OR TO FILL AN UNEXPIRED TERM. A MOTION. MS. JUSTICE? SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS PASSES. UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY. MR. CORCORAN. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPOINT, UH, J TAYLOR IS VICE CHAIR FOR THE REMAINDER OF HER TERM. AND NEIL ORLEANS TO A REGULAR MEMBER TO FILL AN UNEXPIRED TERM. MS. JUSTICE? YEAH. OH, SECOND. IT'S JAN. JAN TAYLOR. JAN TAYLOR. JAN TAYLOR. SECOND JAN TAYLOR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, GOT A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHTY, MAYOR, MR. UH, ZIEGLER IS HERE FOR HIS, UH, SWEARING IN. SO OUR CITY SECRETARY AND MEANING HANDLE THAT BUSINESS. MR. ZIEGLER, WILL YOU JOIN ME UP HERE? PLEASE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT. I DO, AFTER I SAY THE OATH. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF BOARD MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, AND TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, [00:10:01] PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE? SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU, TERRY. ITEM [6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CITY HALL PUBLIC ART FINALISTS ] SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CITY HALL PUBLIC ART FINALISTS. MR. MAGNER? THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR, COUNSEL, UH, WE ARE EXTREMELY, UH, PLEASED AGAIN TO HAVE, UH, MEREDITH MCKINLEY OF VIA PARTNERSHIP WITH US. UH, MEREDITH HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL, UM, IN TAKING US ON A, UH, PUBLIC ART JOURNEY ON MANY OF OUR, UH, MOST NOTEWORTHY PROJECTS OVER THE, UH, PAST FEW YEARS. AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU, UH, SOME OF THE WORK THAT, UH, YOUR, UH, PANEL FOR THE CITY HALL ART, UH, HAS, UH, BEEN ABOUT. AND, UH, SHE'S GONNA SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT PANEL. AND SO, MEREDITH, THANKS FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US THIS TO, UH, THIS POINT. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEFING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER, MAYOR COUNCIL. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, OF THE ART SELECTION PANEL, UH, FOR THE CITY HALL OF MUNICIPAL COMPLEX PUBLIC ART PROJECT. UM, BEFORE I GET TO THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL, I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY REVIEW THE PROJECT AND THE SELECTION PROCESS AGAIN. UM, SO THE CITY HALL OF MUNICIPAL COMPLEX PUBLIC ART PROJECT HAS A BUDGET OF $850,000 THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE CITY'S PERCENT FOR ART ORDINANCE. THAT BUDGET IS INCLUSIVE OF DESIGN, FABRICATION, AND INSTALLATION OF THE ARTWORK. UH, WE ANTICIPATE, UH, INSTALLATION IN THE FALL OF 2026 TOWARDS THE VERY END OF THE, OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF CITY HALL. UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE ART SELECTION PANEL. THEY WERE A FANTASTIC GROUP. THEY'RE COMPRISED OF MEMBERS OF THE ARTS COMMISSION. WE HAD CITY STAFF TO REPRESENT THE USERS OF CITY HALL, UM, AND MEMBERS OF THE ART AND DESIGN COMMUNITY, UH, HERE IN RICHARDSON. SO I'D LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR TIME AND DEDICATION TO THE PROJECT. AS YOU'LL SEE, IT WAS A BIG JOB. UM, AND BE SURE TO THANK, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HERE FROM THE, FROM THE PANEL, BUT, UH, DO, DO BE SURE TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR, UH, FOR THEIR DEDICATION. UM, AS YOU'LL RECALL FROM OUR EARLIER PRESENTATION ON THIS PROJECT, WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS BY ESTABLISHING A SET OF GOALS. THESE GOALS SHAPE THE CRITERIA FOR SELECTING THE ARTIST AND THE ARTWORK, AND GIVE OUR FINALISTS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR IN A WORK OF ART. UM, I WON'T READ THROUGH THESE ALL AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, THEY, THEY DO HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, UH, CREATING A PIECE THAT'S VERY MUCH ABOUT RICHARDSON AND INSPIRED BY THIS PLACE. THE SITE OR ZONE FOR THE ARTWORK IS THE HARDSCAPE AREA OPPOSITE THE CIVIC CENTER FOUNTAIN. IN THE CENTRAL PLAZA. UM, THE SITE REINFORCES THE STRONG SYMMETRY OF THE OVERALL MUNICIPAL COMPLEX DESIGN. WE HAD 111 ARTISTS APPLY FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, AND OUR SELECTION PANEL WENT THROUGH ALL 111 OF THOSE ARTISTS. THEY SELECTED THREE FINALISTS. UM, THEY INCLUDED THE TEAM OF TOM DREN AND LAURA HADDA, MARK THORN FROM THE STUDIO OF THE VERY MANY AND SHU WANG. THE FINALISTS VISITED RICHARDSON IN DEC IN DECEMBER, THEY MET WITH THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER AND MEMBERS OF THE SELECTION PANEL AND THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RICHARDSON. THEY TOURED THE COMMUNITY AND THEY WALKED THE SITE WITH ARCHITECTS AND STUDIO OUTSIDE ON A VERY RAINY, UH, VERY, VERY RAINY, UH, DECEMBER MORNING. UM, DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS, THEY ALSO MET WITH THE CITY STAFF AND PROJECT ARCHITECTS FOR A TECHNICAL REVIEW OF THEIR PROPOSALS. UM, AND THEN THEY CAME BACK TO RICHARDSON ON MARCH THE FIFTH TO PRESENT THEIR CONCEPTS TO THE SELECTION PANEL. UH, THE SELECTION PANEL DELIBERATED AND HAS UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDS MARK FOR, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. THE RECOMMENDATION WENT TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, WHO UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY ENDORSED THEIR RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. BEFORE I SHARE MARK'S CONCEPT, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THE DESIGNS PRESENTED BY HADDAD, DUGAN AND PO HWANG. AND I JUST HAVE ONE IMAGE FOR EACH. HERE WE GO. SO THIS IS FLUORESCENCE. FLUORESCENCE IS DEFINED AS A STATE OR PERIOD OF BLOOM, FLOURISHING OR ACHIEVEMENT, EXCUSE ME, OR AN ACT OF UNFOLDING AS IF INTO AN OPEN FLOWER. IT'S THE TITLE OF THE ARTWORK PROPOSED BY HADDA DUGAN ENVISIONED AS A CONCEPTUAL CITIZEN CHAMBER AND COUNTERPART TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS INSIDE CITY HALL. AND WITH A NOD TO THE SEVEN ELECTED SEATS OF CITY COUNCIL. THE SCULPTURES COMPOSED OF SEVEN ARCHED STEEL AND SWEEPING DIAGONAL CURVES. THEY'RE PAINTED IN SEVEN METALLIC CUES, [00:15:01] GRADUATE, UH, THAT GRADUATE FROM GOLD TO BLUE. SO THESE SEVEN STEEL PEDALS INTERCONNECTED THE TOP OF THE PIECE TO CULMINATE IN A CROWN OR BLOOM WITH THE TIPS CONVENING AS AN OCULUS FRAMING A PORTAL TO THE SKY. IT'S ABOUT 20 OR 36 FEET IN HEIGHT AS PROPOSED SHU WANG'S PROPOSAL. EARTH SKY DUET, UM, IS A, UH, 18 FOOT TALL, 24 FOOT DIAMETER STAINLESS STEEL SCULPTURE. AND IT TAKES ITS INSPIRATION FROM THE VAST EXPERIENCE OF THE HORIZON WHERE THE EARTH MEETS THE SKY. IT ALSO TAKES SOME INSPIRATION FROM THE PERSISTENT HUM OF THE EARTH AS A ME MECHANICAL RESONATOR, KIND OF LIKE A TUNING FORK. SO THE SCULPTURE WOULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY A COMPOSITION OF SOUND THAT WOULD BE ACTIVATED BY MOVEMENT. AND NOW TO THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL. UM, SO FIRST, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARK FOREIGN AND HIS STUDIO. THE VERY MANY, THEIR WORK IS CHARACTERIZED BY LARGE SCALE PAVILION, LIKE GEOMETRIC AND ALUMINUM STRUCTURES THAT CAN BE INTERACTED WITH AND INHABITED. OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE STUDIO'S DESIGNED AND BUILT A NUMBER OF THESE THIN SHELLED PAVILIONS AND INSTALLATIONS, EXCUSE ME, EACH AIMS TO PROVIDE A UNIQUE SPATIAL EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS, WHILE ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE VISUAL IDENTITY OF A PLACE AND CATALYZING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. FOR HIS PROPOSAL, MARK WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE STRONG SYMMETRY OF THE SITE AND CREATE A WORK IN HARMONY WITH THE CIVIC CENTER FOUNTAIN. SO YOU'LL SEE AS WE GET INTO THE DESIGN, THE DIAMETER OF HIS DESIGN ECHOES THE DIAMETER OF THE FOUNTAIN. HE ALSO RECOGNIZED THE ICONIC NATURE OF THAT FOUNTAIN AND ITS IMPORTANCE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WANTED TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT COMPLIMENTED IT. AND HE WAS PARTICULARLY TAKEN BY THESE, UM, IMAGES OF THE FOUNTAIN ENCASED IN ICE. OH, THAT'S A LITTLE BLURRY, BUT HE WAS, LOOK, HE WAS INSPIRED BY OTHER ARCHITECTURE IN RICHARDSON AS WELL, INCLUDING THE ANTENNA BUILDING ON THE CAMPUS OF COLLINS RADIO, WHICH, UM, WAS ONE OF THE FIRST WHERE, WHERE ONE OF THE FIRST PICTURES EVER TRANSMITTED TO AND FROM OUTER SPACE TOOK PLACE. AND THE ICONIC VISITORS CENTER AND BOOKSTORE AT UTD. THE DESIGN ALSO TAKES INSPIRATION FROM HISTORIC PARK GAZEBOS FOR CENTURIES. THESE STRUCTURES OFTEN BUILT IN PARKS AND GARDENS AND OTHER SPACIOUS PUBLIC SPACES HAVE BEEN USED AS PLACES OF GATHERING AND ON OCCASION AS BANDSTANDS PROVIDE SHADE, SHELTER, AND A PLACE TO REST WHILE ALSO ACTING AS AN ORNAMENTAL FEATURE. SO NOW TO THE DESIGN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, . SO, UH, TOURNE IS THE TITLE OF THIS PIECE. IT'S DESIGNED AS BOTH A LANDMARK AND A LIVING SPACE. THE STRUCTURE FOSTERS MOMENTS OF PLAY, REST IN CELEBRATION, WHILE SEAMLESSLY ADAPTING TO PUBLIC EVENTS AND EVERYDAY ENCOUNTERS. OOPS. ITS INNOVATIVE. DI DIGITAL FABRICATION TECHNIQUES PUSH THE BOUNDARIES OF MATERIAL PERFORMANCE, TRANSFORMING ULTRA THIN ALUMINUM INTO VISUALLY WEIGHTLESS, YET STRUCTURALLY ROBUST FORM. SO IT'S FROM THE TOP. HERE WE GO. IN ADDITION TO THE INNOVATION, THE FABRICATION, THE SELECTION PANEL APPRECIATED THE DESIGNS NOD TO THE HISTORY OF TECHNOLOGY IN RICHARDSON WILL ALSO BE AN ORGANIC FORM THAT BLENDS INTO THE SITE. THE PROPOSED DIMENSIONS ARE 21 FEET TALL AND 45 FEET IN DIAMETER, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE BASE OF THE FOUNTAIN. IT'S CONSTRUCTED FROM ALUMINUM. NO WELDING OR PAINTING IS DONE ON SITE. THE BASE IS SLIGHTLY ELEVATED, CREATING A SENSE OF A STAGE OR PLATFORM THAT CAN BE USED FOR AS INFORMAL SEATING. AND A RAMP MAKES IT A DA ACCESSIBLE BY MERGING ART, ARCHITECTURE AND TECHNOLOGY, THE CANOPY CREATES A COMMUNAL SPACE, A DYNAMIC AND INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT, UH, WHERE CREATIVITY AND CONNECTION THRIVE. IT BECOMES A HUB OF MOVEMENT AND INTERACTION, INVITING THE COMMUNITY TO GATHER, EXPLORE, AND ENGAGE. AND I SHOULD MENTION, THE SELECTION PANEL REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF THIS BEING A PLACE FOR BOTH FORMAL AND INFORMAL GATHERING AND PROGRAMMING. THE EXPERIENCE CAN CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE DAY WITH THE OPENINGS. CREATING DYNAMIC SHADOWS AS THE SKY DARKENS TO CAN BE UP LIT SO THAT IT RADIATES THROUGH, UH, THROUGHOUT THE EVENING. AND I'LL JUST SAY IN CLOSING, IN CONVERSATION WITH MARK IN A STUDIO, HE EMPHASIZED THAT THIS IS A CONCEPT DESIGN AND THAT HE LOOKS FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT TO ENSURE THAT THE SIDING, MASSING, AND PROGRAMMING FOR THE SCULPTURE WORKS FOR THE SITE AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S IT. NO QUESTIONS. COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. HUTCHER? RUTTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, FIRST QUESTION [00:20:01] I HAVE IS, 'CAUSE I CAN'T, I CAN'T TELL EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, WE DO, WE DO GET SNOW. WE DO GET ICE. WE GET A VARIETY OF THINGS. AND SO IF IT'S MADE OUT OF ALUMINUM STRUCTURALLY, WHAT WILL IT SUPPORT? UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO GET UPWARDS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH TO AN INCH OF ICE, AND THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF WEIGHT. SO THAT, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW, LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD MM-HMM . RETAIN THAT OR, UH, THAT THE, THE ICE WOULD, WOULD MOLD OR NOT MOLD, BUT WOULD WOULD FORM ON THAT. SO DO WE KNOW STRUCTURALLY WHAT, WHAT IT CAN HANDLE? YEAH, SO, SO MARK IS A, IS A LICENSED ARCHITECT. HE WORKS WITH ENGINEERS. HE'S, HE'S DONE STRUCTURES LIKE THIS FOR OVER 20 YEARS IN ALL KINDS OF CLIMATES. I'VE SEEN HIS PIECES OF IN PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND, AND OTHER NORTHERN CLIMATES. UM, I DO THINK THAT THAT IS A, A CONCERN THAT WE WOULD WANNA WORK WITH HIM THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT ON I NOT BEING AN EXPERT IN THE MATERIALS, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT BEYOND THAT OTHER THAN TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. OKAY. AND AS DON SAID, YOU KNOW, ART IS, I GUESS BEAUTY'S IN THE EYE, THE BEHOLDER. I ACT, I ACTUALLY LIKED THE, UH, FIRST ONE YOU SHOWED US, THE, THE SEVEN ARCHING, TURNING, TWISTING. I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY, VERY STRIKING WITH ALL OF THE COLORS. THIS, WITH IT BEING WHITE. I, I DON'T KNOW. I, I'M NOT OUT OF ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THIS ONE PROBABLY DOES NOT EXCITE ME AS MUCH AS OTHER PIECES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN ME. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEAUTY'S IN THE EYE OF THE HOLDER. BUT IT'S, I, I'M, I'M KIND OF NEUTRAL ON THIS ONE. I HAVE TO BE HONEST. MM-HMM . SO. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. I THINK MR. BARRIOS WAS NEXT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S NOT THE HOLDER. 'CAUSE I THINK THE ONE COUNCILMAN, HUTCHIN RIDER LIKED WAS PROBABLY MY LEAST FAVORITE. I LOVE THE ONE BY THE, OH, SHOE WANG , MAN. AND I, IN ALL HONESTY, THE, UH, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, TRYING TO GET A GLIMPSE OF IT, GLIMPSE OF IT, IT DIDN'T STRIKE ME. AND HEARING THE EXPLANATION, NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT AGAIN, I REALLY, IT GREW ON ME. JUST IN THE FIVE MINUTES YOU WERE TALKING. UM, I LOVE THE SHADOW IDEA. I LOVE THAT IT'S USABLE AND IT'S INTERACTIVE. I LOVE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN PROVIDE SHADE, PROVIDE SOME, MAYBE AN AREA OF GATHERING FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN A PUBLIC SPACE. I, I DO LOVE THAT IT'S KIND OF FROM THE TOP, KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A BLOSSOM OR LIKE A FLOWER. UM, MY ONLY CONCERN, OR I GUESS MY BIG CONCERN HERE IS THE HEIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE THE EXTERIOR IS THE HIGHEST POINT. AND THAT'S THE PART YOU SAID WAS 21 FEET? YES. UM, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE CALL IT, BUT THE FOUNTAIN. WHAT'S THE, AND WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT OF WHAT THE WILL BE? THE NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SCALE HERE, BECAUSE IN ONE OF THE PICTURES IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALMOST AS BIG AS THE WINDOWS OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. YEAH. SO, UM, I WAS JUST CONFIRMING WITHDRAWALS HERE. THE, UH, CHAMBER IS GONNA BE 30 FEET. HOW MANY? 30. 30. AND THE FOUNTAIN. UM, MEREDITH, DO YOU, DO YOU RECALL FROM I DON'T NOT, NO. IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE, I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN. 15. YEAH. PROBABLY ABOUT 15 MINUTES. IT'S, YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY, OR 15 TO 18 FEET. 15. YEAH. IF I WERE TO GUESS, YEAH, I THINK THE PICTURES MAYBE THROW OFF THE SCALE A LITTLE BIT. I WOULD AGREE. UM, BUT IT GREW ON ME. I KIND OF LIKE IT, I'LL BE HONEST. I, UH, I LIKE THAT IT, IT'S INTERACTIVE. I REALLY LIKE THAT PIECE. I LOVE THAT IT'S CUT OUT AND THE SHADOW PIECE OF IT. I LIKE KIND OF THAT NATURE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDFLOWERS AND WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL, COTTONWOOD ART. LIKE WE'RE, UH, WE'RE PROUD OF OUR NATURE IN RICHARDSON. I KNOW I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, EVEN THIS WEEKEND SAY, THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT HIM TO RICHARDSON INITIALLY. AND, UH, SO I THINK IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE NOD TO THAT. SO IT, IT, IT TRULY HAS GROWN ON ME IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES. SO, UH, I AM KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCALE, BUT COUNCILMAN DORIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MEREDITH, THANK YOU. I, I THINK FIRST OF ALL, ALL I, I, I LIKE ALL THE ARTISTS ONE, THE, THE HAYDEN, UM, PROJECT KIND OF REMINDS ME, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN INFLUENCE OF THE MOJO, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, OVER THERE AT THE MM-HMM . MICRO. THANK YOU. BACK MACRO MOJO. YEAH. MM-HMM . IT KIND OF HAS THAT LITTLE BIT OF A VIBE. SO I FIGURED WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, SO WE DON'T WANNA REPEAT THAT AGAIN. UM, THE, THE, UH, POST WANG, I, I DO LIKE THAT IT KIND OF, UH, IS A REPRESENTATION OF THE A TT, UM, SPACE DOWNTOWN [00:25:01] DALLAS AND THE, I, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CERTAINLY INTERACTIVE, BUT I AM GONNA HAVE TO, UH, PERSONALLY CHOOSE, UM, THE THIRD OPTION HERE. 'CAUSE I REALLY FIND IT VERY ACTIVE. THAT WAS THROUGH MARK, UM, MARK FRANZ. IS IT? YEAH. I HAD TO, I, I HAD TO CHECK WITH A, A FRENCH SPEAKING FRIEND AND IT'S, IT'S RHYMES WITH THORN. SO THORN, SO IT'S THORN'S. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, I WASN'T SURE EITHER. ANYWAY, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I, THIS ONE HERE KIND OF CATCHES MY EYE, ARCHITECTURALLY SPEAKING. UM, I KNOW COUNCILMAN HUTCH WRITER BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS ABOUT THE WEATHER CONDITIONS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IS, YES, THERE PROBABLY WOULD BE SOME, UH, ACCUMULATION OF SNOW AS OFTEN AS WE HAVE SNOW. THAT IS. BUT WHEN WE DO, UM, THE, WHEN THEY GO TO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, THEY COULD CONSIDER PUTTING IN SOME TYPE OF WIRE SYSTEM THAT'S INTEGRATED INTO THE METAL. SO YOU COULD EASILY TURN THAT ON AND ACTIVATE IT. IT WOULD SLIGHTLY MELT THE SNOW ACCORDINGLY. AND I DO KNOW THAT IT'S LOOKS PERFORATED THROUGHOUT. SO I THINK THE RAIN, THE SNOW, THE WHATEVER COMES AT WHAT COMES ITS WAY, SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF RUNOFF DEPENDING ON HOW THAT'S DESIGNED, ON HOW THE WATER'S GOING TO, UH, SORT OF FILTRATE THROUGH IT. BUT IT'S KIND OF A ORGANIC, AND I KIND OF LIKE THE SCALE. I THINK THE LARGENESS OF IT IS KIND OF NEAT FOR ME. I JUST, UH, FIND IT A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE. UM, I THINK SOME LIGHTING DETAILS WOULD BE GOOD. UH, NOT JUST UPLIGHTING, BUT POTENTIALLY INTEGRATING THEM IN LIKE, LIKE, UH, SORT OF THE HEATING SYSTEM OR THE HEATING ELEMENT. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT SOME IDEAS THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK TO THE ARCHITECT OR THE ARTIST. BUT I THINK HE HAS A GOOD CONCEPT HERE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED A LITTLE MORE. BUT WEATHER CONDITIONS PER COUNCILMAN, HUTCHEN RIDER, UM, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. AND I THINK I JUST EXPLAINED HOW YOU COULD DO THAT VERY ECONOMICALLY. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE LIGHTS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CHANGED IN COLOR. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PIECE FOR PHOTOGRAPHY. AND, UM, I LOVE THE YOGA REFERENCE OUT ON THE PLATFORM, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, VERY INTERESTING AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT GOES AND THE SCALE. I DO THINK LOOKING AT THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THE HEIGHT OF THIS, WE NEED TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT FROM AN ELEVATION STANDPOINT, SEE HOW THAT STAIR STEPS BACK TO THE FOUNTAIN AND SEE IF THAT COULD BE SCALED UP OR DOWN. PROBABLY NOT MORE UP, BUT AGAIN, I LIKE THE LARGENESS OF IT. IT'S KIND OF FUN. UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY COMMENT ON THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR PROIN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THANK YOU. I THINK I DO LIKE MOST OF THE ART THAT YOU JUST SHOWED, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE THAT I LOVE. UH, AND, UH, I KNOW THAT THE DESIGN, WHEN AN ARCHITECT DO THOSE KIND OF DESIGN WITH ENGINEER, THEY'LL DEFINITELY WORK WITH THE, UH, ALL THE ISSUE THAT COME UP BECAUSE YOU WANT THOSE THING STANDING FOR YEARS, MANY YEARS. MM-HMM . UH, AND FREE STANDING ELEMENT. I LOVE IF YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME KIND OF SUPPORT SYSTEM TO KEEP THAT THING STANDING. I REALLY, THOSE, THOSE KIND OF ARE, YOU KNOW, WORK DOESN'T REALLY IMPRESS ME, UH, BECAUSE YOU CAN PUSH THINGS UP AND HOLD THINGS UP WITHOUT THINKING MUCH THINKING. SO, BUT IF YOU CAN, YEAH. THIS, THIS IS, UH, FREESTANDING IS GREAT IDEA, LOOKS GREAT, SKILL WISE, LOOKS GREAT. UM, UH, BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THE COUNCIL CHAMBER TO SEE IF IT IS BLOCKING YOUR VIEW FROM THE NOSE. MM-HMM . SO THOSE ARE THE THING I'M SURE, UH, ARCHITECT WOULD BE LOOKING AT IT. I'M NOT, UH, TOO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THAT. UH, BUT THE SHAPE SHADOW AND THE CONCEPT, UH, AND ALSO BRINGING PUBLIC INTO THE ART AREA, UH, IT'S REALLY GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE WILL EMBRACE THE ART. IT'S NOT A SOMETHING OBSTACLE FOR THEM TO WALK AROUND. SO THESE ARE ALL GOOD CONCEPT. UH, ONE THING I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BIT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY THE ARTIST HAS ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, IS THE USING METAL, UH, THE HEAT, TEXAS HEAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS MY CONCERN, THAT HOW THAT WILL WORK. UH, IF THAT'S GONNA, IF HEAT IS GOING TO, UH, HAVE ANY IMPACT ON GATHERING THERE, IF WE HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE THERE, UH, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A HUNDRED PEOPLE OR MORE, UH, OFTEN TO GO THERE AND TAKE PICTURES AND ENJOY THE ARTWORK. SO, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS PROBABLY ARCHITECT WOULD, CAN THINK ABOUT PUTTING SOME COATING AND OTHER THINGS. SO, [00:30:01] BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THESE THINGS STAYS NATURALLY WITHOUT ANY MAINTENANCE WORK. UH, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS THING HAPPEN. SO IF THIS STAYS ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS, TWO, 200 YEARS, UH, I WOULD REALLY ENJOY SEEING THIS THING AFTER 100 YEARS , IF I LIVE THAT LONG. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CORKER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, I MEAN, I REALLY RESPECT WITH OVER, OVER A HUNDRED DIFFERENT PIECES LOOKED AT. I MEAN, I REALLY RESPECT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TOOK TO GET TO THIS DECISION. AND SO I SORT OF HAVE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS ON THAT. AND THE FIRST ONE WILL PROBABLY BE JUST AN EASIER COMMENT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER DONE IT IN THE PAST, BUT JUST GIVEN LIKE THE, THE SHEER AMOUNT OF PIECES THAT WERE LOOKED AT AND THE EFFORT PUT INTO IT. I MEAN, IF THERE'S EVER SOME SORT OF BRONZE PLAQUE OR ANYTHING HERE, I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES WE COULD LOOK AT PUTTING THE NAMES OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ON THERE JUST TO, IF WE'RE GONNA COMMISSION, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT UP, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT UP ANYWAY OF THE ARTIST. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN STANDARD PRACTICE IN THE PAST OR NOT. I DON'T THINK IT HAS, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. SURE. DEFINITELY CAN EVALUATE THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO THE, THE TRADITIONAL PLAQUE THAT WE DO. OKAY. JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. MM-HMM . UM, THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD WAS JUST, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY, I THINK, I THINK ALL THE PIECES LOOK REALLY NICE. I MEAN, I KIND OF, WITH COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER, I MEAN, SORT OF LIKE A, WE HAVE SORT OF A TOWER THEME GOING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A COOL THING WITH SOME OF OUR ART. BUT THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE TOO. I MEAN, WHAT WAS SOME OF THE DELIBERATION? IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE US A COUPLE LIKE SURE. LIKE, MAYBE LIKE TOP THREE BULLET POINTS OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM . BETWEEN THOSE TWO PIECES YEAH. AND WHY THIS ONE WAS CHOSEN. SO, UM, WITH THE, THE, UH, HADDA, I, I'LL, UH, SCROLL BACK IF I CAN DO SO QUICKLY. SO WITH THE HADDA DUGGAN PIECE, I THINK THE, THE FEEDBACK WAS, WAS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY, WHAT WE'VE HEARD THIS EVENING TOO, THAT, THAT IT WAS A LITTLE TOO SIMILAR TO MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES IN THE COLLECTIONS. SO THAT MICRO MACRO MOJO WAS MENTIONED AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE RISING STAR PIECE, WHICH IS AT THE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY MM-HMM . UM, BUT I THINK THAT THEY ALSO DID APPRECIATE THAT, THAT LIKE THE, UM, LIKE THE MARK FOREIGN PIECE THAT, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD INTERACT WITH AND WALK THROUGH AND, AND SORT OF INHABIT. YEAH. I CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, THE, THE CONCERNS AROUND POST SHOES PIECE WERE MORE TECHNICAL. UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN WITH A STAINLESS STEEL PROJECT OF THIS, OR A PROJECT IN STAINLESS POLISH, STAINLESS OF THE SCALE THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE WITHIN THE BUDGET. I SEE. UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE SCALE, IT'S MEANT TO BE IN A SORT OF MOVED THROUGH, BUT THE, BUT THE SCALE OF IT WAS SO CONSTRAINED THAT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SORT OF INHABIT IT. AND THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE LACK OF CLARITY AROUND HOW THE SOUND PIECE WOULD WORK. SO I THINK FOR THOSE REASONS, THEY, THEY SORT OF SET THAT ASIDE. AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE PIECE THAT THEY'VE RECOMMENDED, AGAIN, I THINK THE INTERACTIVE NATURE, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TONIGHT, I CAN APPRECIATE THE, THE INTERACTIVE NATURE MM-HMM. PART OF IT AND WHY THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. SO, NO, I MEAN, I, I THINK FOR THAT REASON, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS CHOSEN, THIS JUSTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I INITIALLY, I LIKED THE GAZEBO CONCEPT FOR SOME OF THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT IT JUST CREATES A PLACE FOR SHADE. BUT COUNCILMAN CHAEL'S, UH, POINT WAS A GOOD ONE. IS IT GOING TO, UH, TURN INTO AN OVEN BASED ON THE MATERIAL? MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S NOT GIVING US THAT EFFECT. I REALLY, UH, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT IT, UH, CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE DAY. IT'S NOT STATIC, BUT WITH THE SHADOWS, I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING COMPONENT FOR IT. MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT IT, IT IS THE SCALE. I MEAN, THE IDEA OF IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE COMPLETELY LOSING LINE OF SIGHT BETWEEN CITY HALL AND THE LIBRARY. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY, MY KNOCK ON, MY ONLY KNOCK ON IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER. AND THIS SORT OF REALLY BREAKS UP THAT LINE OF SIGHT FOR ME. UM, BUT, UM, OTHERWISE I, I LIKE THE CONCEPT GENERALLY OF A PLACEBO AND THE FACT THAT IT CHANGED CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE DAY. BUT THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN, IS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE LOSING SORT OF THAT COMPONENT THAT WE REALLY WANTED WHEN WE DESIGNED THE CAMPUS BY HAVING SUCH A LARGE STRUCTURE. UM, PERHAPS IF IT WAS MORE OPEN ON THE BOTTOM, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE MORE CONVERSATION. I'M, I'M NOT SURE. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN WITH IT. UM, I REALLY LIKE THE NOD TO THE SIZE OF THE FOUNTAIN AND THE ARCHITECTURE IN THE CITY AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE EVER LOSE OUR BIG PECAN TREE, THIS CAN BE OUR NEW BIG PECAN TREE. WE CAN LIGHT THAT INSTEAD. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S GREAT THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH IT AS, AS YOU POINTED OUT WITH LIGHTING. UM, SO A A LOT OF REALLY GREAT STUFF HERE. BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, IS IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE INTERACTION OF THE TWO BUILDINGS IN THE CAMPUS. THANK YOU. UH, DAN, I'LL GET TO YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION. I GUESS [00:35:02] HELP EXPLAIN TO ME THE UPKEEP OF IT AS FAR AS CLEANLINESS. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL KIND OF WHITE LOOKING MATERIAL. WE GET WEST TEXAS SAND THAT FLOODS US FROM TIME TO TIME. AND THIS LOOKS KIND OF LIKE A CUP. IT'S GONNA HOLD IT UP INSIDE. AND THEN IF WE'RE IN THE NEW CITY HALL, WE'LL LOOK DOWN AND SEE NOT SO MUCH WHITE FROM UP ABOVE OR MAYBE FROM, YOU KNOW, DOWN BELOW LOOKING. AND SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AS FAR AS HOW WE WOULD CLEAN IT? WHAT KINDA MAINTENANCE IS THERE AS FAR AS JUST KEEPING IT PRISTINE? AND I, I, I SAY THAT BECAUSE LOOK AT THE EISMAN CENTER. I'LL USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. THAT'S ALL INDOORS, BUT IT IS PRISTINE. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT'S 20 YEARS OLD AND THEY WALK IN AND THEY JUST LOOK AROUND AND THEY'RE IN AWE. SO 20 YEARS FROM NOW, ARE WE GONNA BE IN AWE OF THIS OR WILL IT BE SOMETHING DIRTY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE WEATHER. AND SO THAT, I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT AS I LOOK AT IT. UM, AND OTHER HIGHLIGHTS WERE ALREADY MENTIONED. I WON'T REPEAT THOSE. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. AND, AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITH A MATERIAL LIKE THIS, UH, LIKE A GENERAL CLEANING OF JUST A POWER WASH COULD BE ENOUGH TO GET, YOU KNOW, JUST BASIC DIRT AND THINGS OFF OF IT. IF IT WERE TO BE GRAFFITIED OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT REQUIRE A HIGHER LEVEL OF UPKEEP. BUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WEATHER CONDITION. AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE IN POLLEN SEASON RIGHT NOW TOO, I THINK HERE. YES. SO THAT'S ANOTHER SORT OF THING THAT SORT OF GETS ON EVERYTHING. UM, I THINK THAT'S, UM, WHY I AM, WHY MY VOICE IS LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW. UM, UH, I, I WILL MENTION THAT HE, MARK ACTUALLY PROPOSED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COLOR OPTIONS. HE PROPOSED SORT OF A BUFF COLOR AS WELL AS SORT OF A GREENISH COLOR. UM, THE, I'M SHOWING THE WHITE THAT WAS THE, THE PREFERRED COLOR FROM THE SELECTION PANEL. BUT COLOR IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH MARQUEE. HE DOES WORK IN DIFFERENT COLORS. I WAS ACTUALLY IN EL PASO LAST WEEK, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE HEAT AND DUST AND OTHER ISSUES HERE. THEY HAVE A, A PIECE, BUT IT'S A, IT'S COLORFUL, IT'S A COLORFUL PIECE. UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT COULD BE, UH, ADDRESSED. THANK YOU, MR. BARRIOS. MAYOR, IT WAS SIMILAR QUESTION TO YOU, BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT GRAFFITI, AND I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THIS STUFF POWDER COATED OR MM-HMM . DO WE NORMALLY REQUIRE THAT? I, I WAS KIND OF WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE, I GUESS THE EXTERIOR LAYER AND HOW THAT WORKS AGAINST CLEANING UP GRAFFITI AND THAT KIND OF STUFF? SURE. I BELIEVE IT IS POWDER COATED. AND THEN YOU COULD ALSO PUT A GRAFFITI COATING ON TOP OF THAT. SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF GRAFFITI COATINGS AS YOU MIGHT BE, WHERE THERE'S SORT OF LIKE THE SACRIFICIAL COATING, SO THAT IF GRAFFITI WAS ON IT, YOU WOULD JUST REMOVE THAT COATING AND REAPPLY IT, OR SOMETHING THAT CREATES THIS SORT OF EXTRA LAYER OF REPELLENT THAT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO CLEAN. UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE RESEARCH. AND THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT'S THE BEST SORT OF SURFACE TREATMENT TO GIVE THE WORK TO GIVE IT, TO MAKE IT THE EASIEST TO MAINTAIN OVER TIME. MR. DORIAN? YES. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA ADD ONE OTHER THING TOO. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE METAL MIGHT RETAIN HEAT, BUT, AND LUCKILY THE ARTIST IS AN ARCHITECT, SO HE POTENTIALLY WILL KNOW THIS, THAT THEY, THEY MAKE A THINNER METAL, UH, MATERIAL. EVEN A, LIKE, EVEN A TITANIUM OR A, THE THINNER, THE METAL THAT DOESN'T RETAIN HEAT. SO IT RE IT, IT'S REFLECTIVE. AND IN THE EVENT THAT HE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MEDIUM MM-HMM . THEN IT WOULD BE SUGGESTED TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THAT MATERIAL IS MORE MOLDABLE AND IT CAN ALSO BE LASER CUT INTO WHATEVER SHAPES. SO I DO LIKE THE METAL IDEA BECAUSE IT SEEMS SUSTAINABLE, BUT, AND WITH A POWDER COATED, THAT SHOULD PROTECT IT AND KEEP IT AS LOW MAINTENANCE. BUT HAVING LOOK INTO THOSE METAL OPTIONS, BECAUSE IF HE DOES LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPTION OPPOSED TO A COMP, UM, A COMPOSITE OF SOME SORT OR HIGH LEVEL, UH, FIBERGLASS OF SOME SORT, UM, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK. JUST SOME FEEDBACK THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CORCORAN. ANOTHER COMMENT. YEAH, MR. MAYOR, I JUST, COUNCILMAN MCG GORIAN, I MEAN, YOU'RE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY AND EXPERIENCE IN THE ARTS AND I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT I FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH YOUR OPINION ON. I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF PIECE THAT CAN BE BUILT AND, AND DONE IT IN THAT BUDGET, THAT REALLY, I GUESS CAN, CAN MATCH UP TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE RAISED AND YOU THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE, THEN I'M ALL, I'M ALL IN WITH YOU. WHATEVER, , WHATEVER YOUR OPINION IS, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT THERE. . ALL RIGHT, MR. MAGNER. THANKS, MAYOR. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE [00:40:01] DON'T GET A CHANCE TO DO A MILLION DOLLAR PIECE OF ART VERY OFTEN, SO I'M GONNA ASK FOR SOME CLARITY BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF SCALE, UM, I'M HEARING THAT THE SCALE IS, UM, APPROPRIATE, BUT YOU WOULD HOPE THAT MAYBE THE FINAL DESIGN WOULD HAVE A MORE OPEN, UM, LOWER PORTION OF THE PIECE SO THAT MAYBE IT'S, IT DOESN'T FEEL AS OBSTRUCTIVE. IT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I, I JUST FEEL LIKE I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IT BREAKS UP THAT LINE OF SIGHT AND THE INTERACTION WITH THE BUILDINGS. I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. I DUNNO HOW TO MAKE THAT BETTER. RIGHT. UM, BUT, BUT AS YOU'RE SAYING, IF THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT, FINE. OR IF IT NEEDS TO BE MM-HMM . TWISTED OR TURNED OR MADE RECTANGULAR. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. SO, SO WITH RESPECT TO SCALE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE SCALE IN GENERAL, BUT WE'RE WANT TO MINIMIZE HOW MAYBE OBSTRUCTIVE IT FEELS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND THEIR LIGHT OF SIGHT. KIM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME BACK TO US? WHAT, WHAT'S THE, ONCE IT LEAVES US TODAY, WHAT'S THE, UH, NEXT UP, NEXT STEPS? THAT'S UP TO YOU. THAT'S UP TO YOU. I, I AGREE THAT I LIKE IT AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN JUSTICE. I'LL BE HONEST, I WISH THIS WERE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I WISH IT WERE IN THE GREEN SPACE TO THE SOUTH. MM-HMM . I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PIECE. I, I REALLY, I AM CONCERNED, LIKE SHE SAID, THAT KIND OF LINE OF SIGHT. SO MAYBE WE TAKE IT BACK TO THEM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU PLAY WITH THIS? CAN YOU ADJUST THIS? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? AND THEN MAYBE COME BACK TO US AND THEN WE MAYBE DECIDE YES. OR MAYBE DECIDE, HEY, MAYBE NOT FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT MAYBE WE RECONSIDER IT FOR ANOTHER PROJECT. IF WE EVER HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY FOR AN RP AGAIN. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THIS, THIS ONE'S TOO IMPORTANT NOT TO, YOU KNOW, LET YOU SEE IT AS OFTEN AS YOU NEED TO, TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT. SO FOR, SO SCALE GENERALLY SCALE'S. OKAY. BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO LIMIT HOW OBSTRUCTIVE IT IS IN TERMS OF THIS, THE LINE OF SITE FROM LIBRARY TO CITY HALL AND CITY HALL LIBRARY AND ALSO ELEVATION SHOT TO SHOW THE, THE, THE LUMP, THE, UH, THE SITE LINE. YEAH. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE SITTING AND HOW YEAH. YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT, SO. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE'RE SITTING DOWN THERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE ON THAT SECOND TIER OF WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE MOST LIKELY GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, I'M SORRY, WITH RESPECT TO COLOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A COUPLE OF THE OTHER VARIATIONS, OR, OR DO YOU WANNA STICK WITH THE ALL WHITE? I LIKE THE ALL WHITE PERSONALLY, BUT I, I WOULD BOTH BE OPEN TO LOOKING AT THE OTHER TWO COLORS AS, AS PART OF THE CONCEPTUALS. DO YOU WANT TO SEE LIGHT INCORPORATED? YES. OKAY. LIGHT LIGHTING, ILLUMINATION LIGHT. MM-HMM . AND DO YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA SEE SOME CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS WITH THAT? YES. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN JUST GETTING A SENSE OF THE MAINTENANCE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? VERY MUCH SO, YES. YES, DEFINITELY. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER FEE, ANY OTHER INFORMATION WE CAN GATHER THIS SECOND GO AROUND OR TO BRING BACK THAT WOULD HELP YOU MAKE A DECISION IF A FILAMENT COULD BE PUT IN TO, IN THE EVENT? WE DO HAVE SOME INCREMENTAL TYPE WEATHER, LIKE SNOW. WE DON'T GET A LOT OF IT. WHEN WE DO, WE DO. UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CREATE SOME, SOME LITTLE, UH, COPPER ELEMENT IN INTEGRATED THERE WHERE IT COULD JUST BE A SWITCH, COULD BE TURNED ON, IT COULD MELT IT SLIGHTLY, I THINK. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE AND COST PROHIBITIVE. BUT WITH ALL THE SMALL, I MEAN, THE SURFACE AREA IS HUGE, SO THEREFORE THE MELTING IS QUICKER BECAUSE OF ALL THE PUNCH OUTS OF THE ARTS. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE THAT MUCH. YEAH. I MEAN REALLY IT SHOULDN'T BE, BUT JUST IN THE EVENT, IF IT'S, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT, THOUGHT THROUGH. YEAH. I THINK WE HAVE 'EM, WE CAN ASK THEM TO THINK THROUGH THE WEATHER CONDITIONS. UM, BECAUSE THE HEAT WAS ALSO A WEATHER CONDITION THAT WE HEARD ABOUT UP TO ADDRESS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ADDRESS, HOW THE PIECE WILL LIVE, WHAT WILL IT SUPPORT THIS WEATHER. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WHAT COUNCILMAN DORIAN, I DON'T, AND ARE ALSO DISCUSSING AS FAR AS THE COST. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD, WOULD COME TO PLAY. BUT I, I SURE WANNA UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WEIGHT WISE, BECAUSE I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY NOT GET AS MUCH SNOW, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN ICE QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS HERE. SO THAT'S, TO ME, A BIGGER CONCERN. IT WAS PART OF HIS INSPIRATION. . WELL, ALL RIGHT, WELL, I THINK THAT HELPS US WITH OUR, UH, HOMEWORK AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. WE'LL BE BACK, UH, NEXT, NEXT TIME WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE IF THAT ENDS UP BEING ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE FINALIZING, COULD YOU PUT LIKE, IN ESSENCE A REVERSE CAR WASH UP THERE? SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF HOSING EFFECT THAT WOULD BE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MAINTENANCE COST OF PEOPLE AND THE DANGER OF CLIMBING ON LADDERS OR BRINGING IN A LIFT OR WHATEVER WE DO. BUT PERIODICALLY YOU JUST PUSH A BUTTON AND YOU HAVE A WATER EFFECT THAT CLEANS IT OFF. THERE'S A LOT OF BIRDS THAT LIKE THOSE TREES OVER THERE AND DROPPINGS AND BUGS AND DUST, POLLEN, ALL THE THINGS. IT IS JUST TO ME, I WOULD HATE FOR US TO INVEST IN SOMETHING THEN [00:45:01] WE'RE GONNA TURN AROUND. MM-HMM . EIGHT TIMES A YEAR HAVING TO CLIMB UP THERE AND TRY TO FIX IT. YEAH. THE BIRDS ARE, YEAH. YEAH. . OKAY. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT. YEAH. THANKS MEREDITH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THAT BRINGS US [7. REVIEW AND DISCUSS ENVIRONMENTAL PARTNERSHIP OUTREACH INITIATIVES PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: ] TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, REVIEW AND DISCUSS ENVIRONMENTAL PARTNERSHIP, OUTREACH AND INITIATIVES. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR. UM, WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, JADE ZEL, WHO IS OUR, UM, OUTREACH MANAGER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVES. UH, YOU MAY RECALL BACK IN 2016, WE CREATED THE ENVIRONMENTAL PARTNERSHIP INITIATIVE. IT HAS THREE PIECES. UM, RECENTLY YOU, UH, RECEIVED A BRIEFING ON THE RICHARDSON PLANTS WHERE YVONNE AND HER TEAM ANNOUNCED THAT WE WERE RECOGNIZED AS TREE CITY USA IN 2024. AND RICHARDSON REPLANTS INITIATIVE, WE CA WE COVERED THAT. UM, YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE IN JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS FROM JENNA COVINGTON AND THE NORTH TEXAS CIVIL WATER DISTRICT TEAM, AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, RICHARDSON CONSERVES ELEMENT TO THAT. AND WHAT, UH, JADE IS HERE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT IN VERY, IN A VERY TIMELY WAY BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN DOING SO MUCH GOOD WORK, UH, ABOUT TO BE VERY BUSY AND VERY ACTIVE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THOSE, UH, OUTREACH INITIATIVES THAT, UH, SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON, AND THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, HERE IN THE, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. SO, JADE, WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FIRST TIME. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR A BRIEFING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M SO EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. UM, OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR TONIGHT IS OUR CITY COUNCIL GOAL, TO HAVE RESIDENTS AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS CHOOSE RICHARDSON AS THE BEST PLACE TO LOCATE, CONTRIBUTE, AND ENGAGE. WE HAVE A FEW COUNCIL TACTICS THAT WE'RE ALSO GONNA HIT ON VALUE PROTECT AND CREATE A POSITIVE RETURN ON CITY RESIDENT AND OTHER STAKEHOLDER INVESTMENTS, PROMOTE AVENUES FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT AND DISCUSS ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVES. I WANNA JUST START OUT, UM, MAKING SURE EVERYONE'S AWARE OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PARTNERSHIP INITIATIVE, NORMALLY REFERRED TO AS EPI. SO THIS WAS CREATED TO INCREASE AWARENESS AND PROMOTE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN GROUPS TO TAKE PART IN COMMUNITY-BASED ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS. UM, THERE'S KIND OF THREE BRANCHES TO THE EPI. SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THOSE. WE HAVE RICHARDSON PLANTS, AND THIS IS, UM, TO ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH ALL TYPES OF PROPERLY PLACED IN SPACE PLANTINGS. AND SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS INCLUDE THE BEAUTIFICATION MATCHING FUND OPERATION, BLOOM TOWN, RICHARDSON, REPLANT. WE ALSO HAVE RICHARDSON CONSERVES. AND THIS IS TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT AND FOSTERING CONSERVATION OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS INCLUDE OUR BLUE BAG PROGRAM FOR RECYCLING, WATER CONSERVATION KITS, TREE CYCLE, CHRISTMAS TREE PROGRAM. AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH TEXAS PURE. AND LASTLY, WE HAVE RICHARDSON INFORMS, WHICH IS WHAT I WILL BE FOCUSING ON TONIGHT. AND THIS IS, UH, TO ENCOURAGE INVOLVEMENT IN EVENTS AND PROGRAMS THAT PROMOTE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GET INTO ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST YEAR. UH, WE'LL COVER SOME OF OUR REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS, SOME OF THE 2024 OUTREACH EVENTS THAT WE, UM, ATTENDED, UH, THE 2025 ENVIRONMENTAL CALENDAR, AND THEN OUR NEW 2025 INITIATIVES. AND WE'LL TAKE A, A LOOK FORWARD AT THE NEXT STEPS. SO SOME OF OUR REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS INCLUDE, UM, NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. SO I DID PARTICIPATE IN OUR WATER CONSERVATION WORKING GROUP. UH, WE GOT TOGETHER VARIOUS DIFFERENT, UM, CITIES, SOME OF THE EDUCATORS AND, UM, REALLY ANY, SOME OF THE MARKETING TEAMS FROM DIFFERENT CITIES. AND THE GOAL OF THIS GROUP WAS JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALL HAVING THE SAME MESSAGING. UM, WE ALL GET OUR WATER FROM THE SAME PLACE. AND SO WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT ALL MEMBER CITIES HAD A CONSISTENT MESSAGE. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT WAS. AND WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION OF THAT AND WE SHOULD BE GETTING AN UPDATE FROM NORTH TEXAS HERE WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH, UM, FOR THAT. SO THAT WAS REALLY INCREDIBLE THAT THEY ASKED ME TO PARTICIPATE. BEING THAT I'M KIND OF NEW ON THE TEAM, UM, WE ALSO PARTICIPATE IN WATER IS AWESOME. THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN NORTH TEXAS TART REGIONAL AND DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. UM, SO IF YOU'VE SEEN LAST YEAR THE UM, CAMPAIGN WAS TEXAS YARD MAKEOVER. SO HOPEFULLY YOU SAW SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIALS OR HEARD IT ON THE RADIO. UM, BUT THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THOSE THREE AND WE TAKE PART IN THAT AS WELL. AND THEN WE ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE WATER EFFICIENCY NETWORK OF NORTH TEXAS. THIS IS A REGIONAL GROUP FOR ALL OF THE EDUCATORS TO GET TOGETHER, FOR US TO DISCUSS DIFFERENT INITIATIVES WAY THAT WE CAN PARTNER AGAIN, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL COMMUNICATING THE SAME MESSAGE AND WORKING TOGETHER. AND THEN OUR RECYCLING PARTNER IS REPUBLIC SERVICES. AND THIS YEAR WE STARTED WITH, UH, RECYCLING CENTER TOURS, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. AND ALSO THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, WE RECEIVE A LOT OF RESOURCES AND MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS FROM THEM. SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT PARTNERSHIP AS WELL. FOR 2024, WE HAD, UM, A FEW DIFFERENT OUTREACH EVENTS. I CAME ONTO THE TEAM IN 2024. UM, SO [00:50:01] THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID. WE PARTICIPATED, WE PARTNERED UP WITH PARKS FOR THEIR SUMMER CAMP AND NORTH TEXAS. THEY HAVE THIS STREAM TRAILER AND IT DEMONSTRATES THE WATER POLLUTION AND DILUTION PROCESSES, UM, VERY HANDS-ON. THE KIDS CAN GET DIRTY AND GET IN THERE AND, UM, SEE HOW THAT WORKS. SO WE DID THAT OVER THE SUMMER, AND THIS IS AVAILABLE TO US AS A MEMBER CITY. UH, WE CAN BORROW IT, UH, LOAN IT OUT FROM THE DISTRICT WHENEVER WE WANT TO. UM, BUT, SO THIS IS A REALLY GREAT RESOURCE FOR US TO USE. AND, AND THEY CAME OUT AND HELPED WITH THAT. WE ALSO HOSTED AN IRRIGATION 1 0 1 WORKSHOP. UM, WE HAD AMANDA GRIFFIN, SHE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE SMART OUTDOOR SERVICES, AND WE HOSTED IT AT THE SENIOR CENTER. AND WE WENT OVER DIFFERENT WAYS, UM, THAT YOU CAN HAVE WATER CONSERVATION IN YOUR LANDSCAPE, EASY FIXES IF YOU HAVE ANY BROKEN HEADS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, WE HAD REALLY GREAT, UM, SHOW OF RESIDENTS. I BELIEVE WE HAD 18, SO FOR OUR FIRST WORKSHOP, THAT'S REALLY GOOD. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO PARTNERED WITH REPUBLIC FOR OUR AMERICA RECYCLES DAY. WE DID A LUNCH AND LEARN. AND AGAIN, THIS WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL. I WAS REALLY PLEASED WITH THE TURNOUT. UH, WE DID GO TO THE FACILITY IN PLANO, UH, BUT NOT TOO FAR OFF, JUST, JUST OVER THE LITTLE, THE, THE BARRIER. UM, AND THEY GOT TO LEARN. RESIDENTS GOT TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THE RECYCLING FACILITY, UM, WORKS, HOW THEY USE TECHNOLOGY AND HUMAN TECH HUMANS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SORTING AND THERE'S NO, UM, POLLUTION IN THERE. SO, UM, WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE THAT AN ANNUAL EVENT AS WELL. AND THEN WE ALSO ATTENDED A FEW OF OUR CITY EVENTS. WE WERE AT THE HOA LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP, THE REALTOR WORKSHOP, THE PUBLIC SAFETY EXPO. AND COTTONWOOD, THIS IS OUR CALENDAR FOR THIS YEAR. SO WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THROUGH NATIONAL FIX ALE WEEK THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. WE HAVE LEAK, DETE DETECTION KITS AT VARIOUS CITY FACILITIES. UM, COMING UP WE HAVE OUR EARTH DAY CELEBRATION WITH RISD, AND I'LL GO INTO SOME MORE DETAILS IN A MINUTE ABOUT THAT. UH, WE'RE ALSO PARTICIPATING WITH, UH, THE RICHARDSON WOMEN'S CLUB FOR THE GARDEN FESTIVAL. UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE NORTH TEXAS, THEY'RE GONNA BE HOSTING A NEWCOMERS WORKSHOP. AND THIS IS OPEN TO THE REGION, UH, BUT THEY WILL BE HOSTING THAT WE'RE NOT HOSTING IT. AND THEN I'M PARTNERING UP WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR THE HOME SUITE HOME PROGRAM. AND WE'LL, UM, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAND OUT BLUE BAG VOUCHERS FOR RESIDENTS. AND WE WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY EXPO. AGAIN, AMERICA RECYCLES DAY. WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER HOME SUITE HOME IN THE FALL, TBD ON THE DATE. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH NORTH TEXAS FOR REGIONAL WORKSHOP. SO WE WOULD ALL COME TOGETHER, UM, AS A REGION FOR THAT. I DID PASS THIS OUT FOR Y'ALL. THIS IS OUR 2025 ENVIRONMENTAL CALENDAR. I PARTNERED WITH COMMUNICATIONS TO HAVE THIS DEVELOPED. I REALLY WANTED A KIND OF, UM, ONE STOP SHOP FOR ALL INFORMATION THAT RESIDENTS TYPICALLY ASK FOR, WHAT'S THEIR WATERING SCHEDULE, UM, WHEN THAT CHANGES THROUGH THE YEAR, RECYCLING BAIC TRASH. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN ONE AREA, SO I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HERE ARE ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. UH, SO COMMUNICATIONS CREATED THIS FOR US. I, IT'S, I LOVE IT. IT'S REALLY AWESOME. AND, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE, WE JUST GOT THOSE PRINTED HALF OFF HOT OFF THE PRESS. UM, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT TO START HANDING OUT TO RESIDENTS AS WE KICK OFF THE EVENT SEASON. SO OUR NEW INITIATIVES GOING INTO 2025. WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH NORTH TEXAS. UM, WE ARE A MEMBER CITY. UM, SO AS I MENTIONED IN THE CALENDAR, WE DECIDED TO COME TOGETHER, UH, AS A REGION AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS FOR THAT. BUT WE'RE GONNA START WITH QUARTERLY WORKSHOPS THAT WILL HIGHLIGHT WATER CONSERVATION, LAWN CARE, BEST PRACTICES IN GENERAL, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. AND I'M ALSO REALLY EXCITED TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE A PILOT CITY FOR NORTH TEXAS RESIDENTIAL IRRIGATION EVALUATIONS. SO THIS WILL BE FOR FREE TO OUR RESIDENTS, UM, AND FREE FOR US AS WELL. WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO UTILIZE THIS AS A MEMBER CITY AND RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO GO ON AND SCHEDULE AN EVALUATION FOR THEIR, UM, IRRIGATION. AND THE CONTRACTOR WILL COME OUT, THEY WILL GO THROUGH ALL OF THEIR ZONES, HELP THEM TO SHOW THEM HOW TO SET UP THEIR CONTROL PANEL, UM, AND JUST TEACH 'EM AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, THEY DO NOT DO ANY, UM, REPAIRS. SO THAT INFORMATION'S LISTED ON THE WEBSITE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO HIRE A LICENSED IRRIGATOR. BUT THEY ARE SOLELY JUST THERE FOR THE EVALUATION PROCESS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND, UM, WE ARE ONE OF TWO CITIES THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PILOT THIS PROGRAM WITH. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT. AND AS I MENTIONED, OUR EARTH DAY COMPETITION, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS. I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS WAS GOING TO BE. WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD SET THE, UM, DUMPSTERS OUT AND PICKED THEM UP AT THE END OF THE COMPETITION. IT'S THREE WEEKS LONG. UM, AND WE'RE [00:55:01] JUST CELEBRATING EARTH DAY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE FIFTH GRADERS. SO THE FIFTH GRADERS AT FOUR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, DOVER, JESS HARBIN, MARK TWAIN, AND TERRACE, UM, ARE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR WHO CAN GET, UM, THE MOST RECYCLABLES. WE'RE ALREADY OVER 5,700 POUNDS OF RECYCLING FROM THESE FIFTH GRADERS, AND WE STILL HAVE A WEEK LEFT OF THE COMPETITION. UH, SO IT'S BEEN WAY MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN I COULD HAVE EVER IMAGINED. I'M SO PROUD OF THESE KIDDOS. UM, AND THEY'RE HAVING A REALLY GOOD TIME WITH IT. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD. THEY'VE GOTTEN THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED, THEY'RE PARENTS, UM, AND THERE'S, IT'S A FIERCE COMPETITION. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL, UM, WE'LL DO THIS EVERY YEAR, UH, SINCE IT'S BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TROPHY MADE SO THAT THEY CAN KIND OF HAVE THAT FOR THE YEAR. SO THERE'S SOMETHING TANGIBLE. WE'RE GONNA DO A PIZZA PARTY FOR THEM AS WELL. BUT SINCE IT'S BEEN SO WELL RECEIVED, WE WERE LIKE, LET'S DO A TROPHY SO THAT THEY CAN KIND OF HAVE BRAGGING RIGHTS. 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS. ANYWAYS, . UM, SO THAT'S BEEN AN, AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE GETTING TO PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THAT. AND THEY WERE, UM, VERY EXCITED WHENEVER I REACHED OUT TO THEM. UH, AND THEN FOR THE ANNUAL GARDEN FESTIVAL, I REACHED OUT TO RICHARDSON WOMEN'S CLUB. UM, AND I WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD PARTNER TOGETHER TO HIGHLIGHT WATER CONSERVATION VERSUS HAVING A, UM, A SEPARATE WATERWISE LANDSCAPE TOUR. I REALLY DIDN'T WANNA PULL AWAY FROM THEIR, FROM THEIR EVENT, SO I JUST ASKED IF WE COULD PARTNER. AND THAT PARTNERSHIP'S GOING REALLY WELL. WE'RE GETTING, UH, GEARED UP FOR THAT. THAT'LL BE MAY 3RD. UM, AND SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOW CO-HOSTING THIS EVENT AND, UH, WE'LL PROVIDE MARKETING MATERIALS. THOSE ARE ALREADY ORDERED. AND, UM, WE'LL DEBUT OUR NEW WATERWISE LOGO FOR THE CITY. AND I DID GET ONE OF THOSE HANDOUTS, UM, IN, SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE WATERING CAN AND INSIDE OF THAT ARE, UM, WILD FLOWER SEEDS. UM, SO YOU CAN PLANT THOSE. YES. SO THAT IS THE NEW LOGO. UM, BUT THAT'LL OFFICIALLY BE DEBUTED AT THAT TOUR. SO OUR NEXT STEPS, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEEK GRANTS FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO RAISE AWARENESS AS RECOMMENDED IN OUR 2024 WATER CONSERVATION WATER RESOURCE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND THEN WE'LL EXPLORE ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVES FOR OUR CITY FACILITIES. AND LASTLY, WE'LL IMPLEMENT THE ENVIRONMENTAL OUTREACH INITIATIVES THAT ARE MENTIONED, UM, IN OUR NEW SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN. SO THAT'LL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. GREAT PRESENTATION. I LOVE THAT. I LOVE THE ENERGY. THANK YOU. SHOOT, FLOWERS ARE ALREADY BLOSSOMING. 'CAUSE OF THAT I MR. CORCORAN. OH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT YOUR POSITION IS ONE THAT I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME WHEN WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, AND I'M SO HAPPY WE FOUND SOMEONE ENTHUSIASTIC WHO LOVES THE ENVIRONMENT, WHO LOVES MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD TO FILL IT. SO THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME ALL THIS AWESOME STUFF. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. THANK YOU, MAYOR PROTE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, I LOVE YOUR ENERGY AND, UH, THANK YOU. ALTHOUGH I HAD A COFFEE, . OKAY. NO, THAT'S GOOD. I THINK I'LL TRY NEXT TIME. UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GREAT THINGS, UH, BUT HOW DO WE GET THIS THING EASILY DIGITALLY? UH, THIS INFORMATION? OF COURSE. UM, WE DO HAVE A DIGITAL COPY, OF COURSE. UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH UPDATING THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, SO SOON. UM, WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE A, A COPY OF THAT, UM, AVAILABLE ONLINE. AND WE COULD ALSO PROBABLY INCLUDE IT IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, PARTNERSHIP INITIATIVE. EPI, IT'S A, IT'S A MOUTHFUL. IF I DON'T JUST SAY EPI , UM, IN THE EPI NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT, UH, WE COULD INCLUDE IT THERE AS WELL. AND THEN NOW THAT WE HAVE IT PRINTED, I'LL BRING IT TO ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT EVENTS. SO THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS. NO, THAT'S A GREAT, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA COME UP WITH MANY OTHER GOOD IDEA. UH, ONE QUESTION. THIS CONFETTI EGGS, IS IT, ISN'T THERE ANYTHING THAT, UH, DOESN'T HAVE THE PLASTIC INSIDE? IT'S SOME OTHER NATURAL CONFETTI INSIDE THE EGGS THAT YOU HAVE, THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE ON THE OH, THAT WOULD BE A PARKS PROGRAM. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, MAYBE IF THERE IS SOME OTHER MATERIAL AVAILABLE THAT'S NATURALLY DEGRADED, I THINK THAT COULD BE PROMOTED THAT USE THIS KIND OF EGGS VERSUS THAT EGG. I LOVE HAVING KIDS, UH, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THEY ENJOY. UH, YEAH, YOU GET TO TAKE AWAY THINGS, BUT I'M SURE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL, THE FRIENDLY THINGS THAT'S AVAILABLE. YESSS A GREAT IDEA. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, MAYOR PRO AS TEENAGERS, WE USED TO FILL IN WITH MUSTARD OR, UH, OR, UH, FLOUR. THAT, THAT WAS A LOT FRI BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL DO THAT, THAT THAT WOULDN'T GO WELL. YEAH. UM, I, NO REAL QUESTION. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK. UM, [01:00:03] ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH GROUPS SUCH AS OUR, OUR ISD AND YOU KNOW, AS A PARENT, I KNOW QUICKEST WAY TO GET PARENTS INVOLVED WITH SOMETHING IS TO CONVINCE THEIR KIDS OF IT, RIGHT? YES. UM, THAT WAS THE IDEA. YOU GET THE KIDS INVOLVED AND PARENTS, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY WEBSITES I VISITED FOR HEART ISSUES AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER ISSUES WHEN MY SON WAS IN ELEMENTARY. AND I THINK WE GAVE MONEY TO THEM ALL BECAUSE , UH, HE ASKED US TO, UM, THE, UH, PARTNERING WITH THE WOMEN'S CLUB. AGAIN. GREAT JOB THERE. THANK YOU. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF LIKE GARDEN GROUPS, UH, AS YOU'RE FULLY AWARE. UM, MASTER NATURALIST GROUPS, UH, THERE IS A, UM, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT, BUT BASICALLY IT'S LIKE A LEAVE A PLANT, TAKE A PLANT TYPE FACEBOOK GROUPS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OH, YES, I KNOW. THERE'S A REAL ACTIVE ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SHE'S GOT ALL KINDS OF STUFF IN THE BACKYARD. UM, BUT, SO YEAH, WORKING WITH THOSE, ONE OF THE FEEDBACK, ONE OF THE, I'VE HEARD MANY, MANY TIMES OVER FROM RESIDENTS, UM, IS HOW DO WE, OR I GUESS QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER FOR SURE, BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS TO YOU, IS HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PLANT MORE WATER WISE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THOSE PLANTS AND, YOU KNOW, ZERO ESCAPING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND WHAT CAN WE AS A CITY DO? I'VE BEEN ASKED THAT MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS AND EVEN PRIOR TO ME JOINING THE COUNCIL. UM, SO ANYTHING YOU GUYS CAN EXPLORE AND CONTINUE TO EXPLORE DOWN THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE. UH, AT LEAST A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, GROUP WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE IS MORE OF THAT. MAYBE PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, HOW DO WE, I THINK, ACCOMPLISH MANY GOALS BY ENCOURAGING THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU. GREAT JOB. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY ON THE RIGHT PATH. YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT DONE, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING. COUNCILMAN HUTCHER RED WERE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO YOU ANSWERED A QUESTION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS BEFORE. SO GREAT JOB ON THAT. THANK YOU. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS JUSTICE. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD TO THIS OTHER THAN SAY AS A GRADUATE OF MARK TWAIN, I'M PULLING FOR THEM. , . I THINK THEY'RE, I THINK THEY MIGHT BE IN THE LEAD. . AWESOME. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. HOLD TIGHT. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, REVIEW AND DISCUSS. IF BY, WAIT A MINUTE, DID THAT ONE, WE'RE GONNA GO TO [8. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR EARLY CHILD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.] NUMBER EIGHT, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING AND BY SKIP SOME MM-HMM . OKAY. STANDARDS OF CARE FOR EARLY CHILD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THE, UH, BRIEFING THAT, UM, HEIDI IS GONNA PROVIDE FOR US HERE IS APPLICABLE TO, UH, ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT N NINE. UH, THIS IS OUR ANNUAL STANDARDS OF CARE, UM, ORDINANCE, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND ORDINANCE CONSIDERATION. SO WHAT WE'LL DO HERE IS, IS HEIDI, UH, WRAPS UP THE FIRST ITEM, THE FIRST BRIEFING ITEM. YOU WILL, UH, OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AFTER TAKING ANY PUBLIC INPUT. UH, THERE WILL BE NO BRIEFING FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE AS, UH, AS I SAID THIS, UH, BRIEFING COVERS BOTH EIGHT AND NINE. AND SO YOU'LL HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE AFTER, AFTER MAYOR DUBBY READS IT. AND THEN YOU'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. EVERYBODY GOOD? YES. OKAY. HEIDI, I'LL TURN OVER TO YOU. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AGAIN, MY NAME IS HEIDI SKAI AND I AM THE, UH, HEIGHTS RECREATION CENTER MANAGER. AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR THAT WE COME BEFORE YOU AND IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO GIVE OUR STANDARDS OF CARE. RICHARDSON DAY CAMP AND EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS PRESENTATION, I WILL DISCUSS, EXCUSE ME, I WILL DISCUSS THE CORE DAY CAMP PROGRAM, THE STATE DAYCARE REGULATIONS, MAINTAINING OUR EXEMPTION STATUS, AND I WILL WRAP UP WITH THE BRIEF DETAILS ABOUT OUR APPROACHING JOB FAIR. SO FIRST, LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR CORE DATE CAMP PROGRAM. WE HAVE FOUR CAMPS AND THEY, WE SERVE THE AGES FIVE TO 15. OH, THANK YOU. . WE AGE, UM, WE SERVE AGES FIVE TO 15. THREE OF OUR CAMPS ARE HOUSED AT A RICHARDSON ISD SCHOOL. THIS YEAR WE'RE RETURNING TO APOLLO JUNIOR HIGH, AND THEN OUR OTHER CAMP IS AT HEIGHTS PARK AND HEIGHTS RECREATION CENTER. OUR CAMP BEGINS MONDAY, JUNE 2ND AND ENDS FRIDAY, JULY 27TH. WHILE REGISTRATION OPENED UP THIS MONTH ON APRIL 1ST, OUR CAMPS ARE, ARE FULL ALREADY, WHICH MAKES US VERY EXCITED ABOUT RETURNING TO APOLLO JUNIOR HIGH. [01:05:03] SO FOR OUR CAMPS TO EXIST, WE MUST ADHERE TO STATE DAYCARE REGULATIONS, ADDI, EXCUSE ME, IN STATE OF TEXAS, NO PERSON MAY OPERATE A CHILDCARE FACILITY OR CHILD PLACING AGENCY WITHOUT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING. A LICENSE ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES, D-F-P-S-A CERTIFICATE TO OPERATE UNDER ACCREDITATION ISSUED BY DFPS EXEMPTION OUTLINED IN SECTION 4 2 0 4 1 B 14, WHICH IS WHAT WE FALL UNDER THE EXHIBITION OUTLINED IN SECTION. OOPS, IT'S MISSING A SLIDE. OH, OKAY. NO, THAT'S RIGHT. SO, IN SUMMARY, WE ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL TO FOR, UM, ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL TO SIGN A CITY ORDINANCE TO HELP US MAINTAIN OUR EXEMPTION STATUS. AND BEFORE I LEAVE YOU, WE ARE HIRING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A JOB CA , WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A JOB FAIR THIS SATURDAY AT HEIGHTS RECREATION CENTER. IT'S GOING TO BE, IT STARTS AT 8:00 AM IT ENDS AT 1:00 PM AND WE'RE INTERVIEWING FOR DAY CAMP COUNSELORS. HR WILL BE ON SITE TO HELP STREAMLINE THE PRE-EMPLOYMENT SERVICES. AND AGAIN, CAMP DATES ACTUALLY SHOULD BE JUNE 2ND THROUGH AUGUST 1ST. OKAY. THAT WILL BE YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTION, MS. JUSTICE? JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I LOOKED THROUGH THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE, THE PACKET. I DIDN'T SEE ANY CHANGES. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM WE DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING. THANK YOU. MR. MAGNER. ANYTHING? YES, SIR. OKAY. GET PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. I TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. HUTCHIN RIDER. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. BARRIOS OVER, I'M SORRY, SIR. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. ALRIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THAT. WE'LL GO TO ITEM NINE, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER TAKE A VOTE. I'M SORRY. THIS VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. THIS GO [9. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.] TO NUMBER NINE, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. UH, MAYOR, UH, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, UH, YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND, UH, OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN YOU CAN, UH, TAKE A VOTE ON THE BOARD. OKAY. MS. NEER, I HAVE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, MR. CHER. WRITER MAYOR. UH, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. MAYOR PROTI. I SECOND IT. OKAY. MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. IT'S DONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT BRINGS US, WE NEED TO APPROVE IT REALLY QUICK. WE NEED APPROVE. YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE MS. JUSTICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT GANG. WE'RE NOW GONNA GO [10. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 25-03, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE ON A 0.84-ACRE LOT ZONED C-M COMMERCIAL DISTRICT LOCATED AT 106 W. CAMPBELL ROAD, WEST OF ALAMO ROAD, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF W. CAMPBELL ROAD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.] TO NUMBER 10, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH THREE AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE LOCATED 1 0 6 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. DEREK PETERS, OUR SENIOR PLANNER IS HERE. UM, SHE'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE CITY PRESENTATION FOR THIS CASE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I THINK IS, UH, WILL MAKE HIMSELF AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. UH, SO DEREK, LEMME TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO BRIEF. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. MAGNER. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR. UM, IF, YES, I'M SORRY. UH, YEAH, I'M, UH, HOLD ON. WAIT ONE SECOND, DEREK. YEAH, GO AHEAD AND ACKNOWLEDGE AND THEN STEP OUT. OKAY. I, I WILL BE STEPPING OUT ON THIS VOTE, UM, DUE TO A CONFLICT AND, UH, SO I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF. OKAY. THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. I'M GOOD. YOU IN THE BACK OUT? OKAY. WE CAN GET STARTED, I BELIEVE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO ZONING VIAL 25 0 3 IS A REQUEST TO UPDATE THE SPECIAL PERMIT AT THE CHICK-FIL-A RESTAURANT AT [01:10:01] 1 0 6 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD. SO THE CHICK-FIL-A AT 1 0 6 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD, AS SHOWN HERE IN THE OVERALL AERIAL IMAGE, UH, IS LOCATED IN THE LOT THAT'S IN THE BOTTOM YELLOW SQUARE. AS PART OF THIS ZONING REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS IN THE CITY STAFF HAVE ALSO INCLUDED THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND ADJACENT TO THE CHICK-FIL-A PROPERTY. UH, BECAUSE THE CHICK-FIL-A PROPERTY WILL BE EXPANDING BY ABOUT THREE FEET TO THE NORTH TO, UH, ABSORB SOME OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IN ORDER TO EXPAND THEIR DRIVEWAY, UM, TO EXPAND THEIR DRIVE THROUGH LANES. SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF CAMPBELL AND ALAMO ROAD. IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL. IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED WITH RETAIL, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS. AND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AS THE POLICE TYPE. SO HERE'S SITE PHOTOS. SO, UH, EVER SINCE 1983, THIS SITE HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT. IN 2018, CHICK-FIL-A RECEIVED THEIR SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THEIR DRIVE-THROUGH, AND, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING SINCE THAT TIME. SO THERE'S THE FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT, THERE'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT WHERE CARS STACK UNDERNEATH THE OVERHEAD CANOPY, UH, WHERE THE MINI BOARDS ARE LOCATED. HERE'S THE WEST FACADE. I'LL ALSO CALL OUT IN THE WEST FACADE PHOTO, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE IN THE RED BOX. SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WILL BE MODIFIED BY EXPANDING THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES. AGAIN, THE NORTH FACADE SHOWS THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE WHERE THERE'S A LANDSCAPE ISLAND BUFFERING THE NORTHERN PROPERTY FROM THE CHICK-FIL-A PROPERTY THAT WILL BE MODIFIED. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THE SITE WILL BE EXPANDING FROM 0.82 ACRES TO 0.84 ACRES. AFTER CHICK-FIL-A HAS ACQUIRED A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. SO CURRENTLY THERE ARE, UH, THE DRIVE FREE LANES ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE BLUE AREA SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, AND THEY'LL BE EXPANDING TO ALSO INCLUDE THE RED AREA. CURRENTLY, THOSE DRIVE-THROUGHS START AS A TWO DRIVE-THROUGH ENTRANCE AND THEY MERGE INTO ONE EXIT WHERE THE, UH, PICKUP WINDOW IS NEXT, WHERE THE, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH LANE ENDS AT THE PICKUP WINDOW. NOW CHICK-FIL-A WILL BE ADDING A DEDICATED MOBILE ORDER LANE SHOWN IN RED HERE. NOW THE LANES WILL START AT THREE ENTRANCES, THREE LANES AT THE ENTRANCE, AND THEN THERE WILL BE TWO EXITING. CURRENTLY THERE IS JUST ONE EXITING LANE AND THERE'S A BYPASS LANE. HOWEVER, THERE WILL BE TWO EXITING LANE AND TWO EXITING AREAS, AND NO BYPASS LANE WITH THE MODIFICATION AS PART OF A MODIFICATION. THREE FEET OF THE EXISTING EIGHT FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE ISLAND THAT RUNS ALONG THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE WILL BE MODIFIED AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. ALSO, SINCE THE APPLICANT, UM, SINCE THE PLANS INCLUDE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL DRIVE-THROUGH LANE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE EXISTING DRIVE-THROUGH LANES BETWEEN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES AND THE BUILDING, THEY WILL BE CUTTING INTO AN OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPED AREA OF THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THEIR MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO THAT LANDSCAPE ISLAND THAT WILL BE MODIFIED. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT IT IS PLANTED WITH HE HEADLIGHT SCREENING. THERE ARE EVERGREEN SHRUBS AND ORNAMENTAL TREES IN THAT AREA. SO AFTER CONSTRUCTION TAKES PLACE, THE APPLICANT WILL REPLACE THOSE, UH, LANDSCAPE MATERIALS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WILL GET DAMAGED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. THERE WILL BE NO PARKING SPOTS, UM, REMOVED FOR THIS PLAN. THIS SITE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE 40 PARKING SPACES. HERE'S ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF HOW THE DRIVE-THROUGH TRAFFIC WILL, UH, BE LAID OUT. SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE THREE ORDER LANES THAT MERGE INTO TWO PICKUP LANES. AND THIS IS IN LINE WITH CHICK-FIL-A'S, UH, CURRENT BUSINESS MODEL THAT THEY'VE APPLIED TO OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, UH, PROVIDED THEM DEDICATED MOBILE ORDER LANES SO THAT PEOPLE LOOKING TO PICK UP THEIR ORDERS THAT THEY ORDERED ONLINE OR ON AN APP OR THEIR UBER DELIVERY DRIVER IS PICKING UP. THEY'RE ABLE TO JUST TAKE THIS, UH, DEDICATED LANE TO FASTER GET THROUGH THE, UH, PICKUP PROCESS. UH, CHICK-FIL-A DOES DEPLOY THEIR STAFF DURING PEAK TIMES, LIKE LUNCH AND DINNER TO MANAGE TRAFFIC FLOW TO DIRECT TRAFFIC, AND THEY IMPLEMENT TEMPORARY DELINEATORS. THEY ALSO HAVE WAY FINDING SIGNAGE OUT ON SITE AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT WITH THE NEW MOBILE ORDER LANE. CURRENTLY DURING PEAK HOURS AND PEAK TRAFFIC TIMES, TRAFFIC IS DIRECTED TO ENTER THE SITE FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER. SO THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE DIRECTED TO TO DO THAT. FOR TYPICAL DRIVE-THROUGH ORDERS, MOBILE ORDERS WILL BE DIRECTED TO ENTER THE SITE FROM THE NORTH, FROM THE SOUTHWEST. [01:15:01] AND THERE WILL BE WAY FINDING SIGNAGE, UH, DIRECTING THE TRAFFIC THAT THAT WAY AS WELL. THE CHICK-FIL-A APPLICANT DOESN'T EXPECT ANY INCREASE IN NET TRAFFIC WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE SITE. AND THEY EXPECT TRAFFIC TO CONTINUE TO STACK ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS IT DOES TODAY. AND THERE HAS BEEN NO CORRESPONDENCE IN RESPONSE TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED ON MARCH 18TH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, AND IF THE CITY CA COUNCIL TAKES ACTION TONIGHT TO APPROVE THE ZONING FILE 25 0 3, THE NEW CONCEPT PLAN WILL BE ADDED AT TO AMEND THE SPECIAL PERMIT, AND THE ORDINANCE SHOULD ALSO BE A PART OF THAT MOTION TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT AS WELL. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. THANK YOU DEAR. DEAR COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, MS. EMER OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS. MARY? UM, YES, IF, IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE HERE, IF NOT, AND YOU ARE, UH, JUST WANNA GO RIGHT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC. I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM. ALEXANDER SCOTT. UM, I'M ALEXANDER SCOTT. I LIVE AT GREENBRIER LANE, UM, JUST SOUTH OF UTD. UM, MY BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM IS, UH, THE PARKING LOT. THIS CHICK-FIL-A'S, UH, LOCATED IN ALREADY HAS SEVEN DRIVE-THROUGHS THERE, SEVEN DRIVE-THROUGHS THERE. UM, AND THE AREA ITSELF IS CONSTANTLY CONGESTED DURING PEAK TIMES. I DON'T SEE HOW, UM, MAKING IT EASIER FOR CARS TO, UH, GET TO THE CHICK-FIL-A MAKING, UH, WORDS. UM, MAKING A PLACE A MORE DESIRABLE PLACE TO DRIVE. UM, DOES NOT INCREASE, UH, THE DEMAND TO GO TO CHICK-FIL-A, UM, AND INCREASE TRAFFIC. IF THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE MORE CUSTOMERS IN A TIMELY MANNER, THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN MORE CUSTOMERS. AND IF THEIR PRIMARY, UH, SOURCE OF INCOME IS THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, THAT'S GOING TO MEAN MORE CAR TRIPS HEADING TO THE DRIVE, DRIVE THROUGH. UM, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS CAMPBELL. UM, AND THE ZONING THING, CAMPBELL ALREADY HAS 42,000 CARS A DAY. THE STREET TO THE NORTH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME HAS, I THINK IT WAS 12,000 IS WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE MAP I HANDED OUT, UH, IT'S THE SATELLITE PHOTO OF THIS CHICK-FIL-A. UH, YOU CAN ALREADY, MCDONALD'S IS ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, WHEN I ACTUALLY LABELED C ONE PERSON HAS IT SCRIBBLED OUT THOUGH AND THEN REMARKED, UM, I I, THE, SO I BROUGHT UP THE CAR IS ENTERING THROUGH THE NORTH SIDE, UH, WHICH I MARKED WITH A, UH, THIS AREA FREQUENTLY GETS BACKED UP AND I STILL SEE THAT HAPPENING EVEN WITH, OR I COULD STILL SEE THAT HAPPENING EVEN WITH THE EXTRA LANE AND CAPACITY FOR CARS. UM, JUST BECAUSE I FEEL MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING AND DRIVING. UM, AND MY MAIN, UM, THING AGAINST THIS IS THAT, UH, IT'S JUST THE ENVISION RICHARDSON PLAN THAT, UH, GOT PASSED LAST YEAR IS FOCUSED ON PROMOTING OPTIONS TO GET AROUND THE CITY THAT ISN'T JUST, UH, BASED ON YOUR CAR RIDING YOUR BIKE, TAKING THE BUS, WALKING. UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SOLELY BENEFITS PEOPLE DRIVING. UM, THIS IS ALREADY A HARD AREA TO ACCESS, UH, BY WALKING. IT'S NOT REALLY PLEASANT TO WALK AROUND. AND THE NEAREST BUS STOPS A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE YOU HAVE TO CROSS AN INTERSECTION, UH, KIND OF RUN INTO A DEAD END WHERE I'M GONNA KEEP GOING WITH IT. BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST [01:20:01] SEE A TRAFFIC STUDY 'CAUSE I DON'T, UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS WON'T INCREASE THE CAR TRAFFIC IN THE AREA ON AN ALREADY CONGESTED AREA. AND ALSO IT'S JUST NOT FRIENDLY TO PEDESTRIANS. UH, I'M GONNA WRAP UP THERE. I OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. ER, NO MORE CARDS. NO OTHER CARDS, MAYOR. OKAY. MR. HUDSON RIDER. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. SAM SHUL. I SECONDED. GOT A MOTION. SECOND CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL. MR. HUTCH AND RIDER, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 23 0, I'M SORRY, 25 0 3. AND, UH, AND THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON A 0.84 ACRE LOT ZONE CM COMMERCIAL DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1 0 6 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD, WEST OF ALAMO ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST CAMPBELL ROAD. RICHARDSON, TEXAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CORCORAN. SECOND. YEAH, MR. MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION HAD A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. OKAY. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MAYOR, UH, WE'RE GONNA WAIT FOR COUNCILMAN BARSTER ATTORNEY, IF THAT'S OKAY. YES, SIR. WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER [11. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 25-04, A REQUEST TO AMEND A PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ON 33.36 ACRES LOCATED AT 3051 RESEARCH DRIVE, AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SHILOH ROAD AND BRECKINRIDGE BOULEVARD CURRENTLY ZONED PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE I-M(1) INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE AN OUTDOOR DRONE DELIVERY DISTRIBUTION CENTER.] 11, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH FOUR A REQUEST TO AMEND A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT ON 33.368 ACRE, LOCATED AT 3 0 5 1 RESEARCH DRIVE TO ACCOMMO ACCOMMODATE AN OUTDOOR DRONE DELIVERY DISTRIBUTION CENTER. MR. MAGNER, THANK YOU. UH, MARION COUNSEL IN YOUR PACKET, UH, DATED APRIL 9TH IS A REQUEST, UM, FROM SAN BAILEY REPRESENTING, UM, AMAZON, UM, FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, TO ALLOW AMAZON TO CONTINUE TO, UM, ENGAGE WITH OUR COMMUNITY, UH, AND PROVIDE FURTHER EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND, UH, ENGAGEMENT, UM, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR, UH, PROCESS. AND SO AS IS CUSTOM, UM, WHAT WE, UM, WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IF YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT CONTINUANCE, IS TO GO AHEAD FIRST, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ALLOW ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE SAW THE POSTING THAT IS HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THEN NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT CONTINUE THE CASE TO MAY 19TH AT, UH, MAY 19TH AT 6:00 PM UM, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND, UH, TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, HONOR THAT REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE. AND SO, UH, MAYOR, THAT'LL BE THE, THE INSTRUCTION IF, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW, MS. NEUER CAN THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. MS. ER? I DON'T HAVE ANY MAYOR. OKAY. SEEING NONE LOOK FORWARD. BUT MR. HUTCHIN, WRITER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE UNTIL MAY 19TH AT 6:00 PM MAY 19TH AT 6:00 PM MR. CHU, I SECONDED. GOT A MOTION? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY BRINGS [Items 12 and 13] US TO ACTION ITEMS. NUMBER 12, CONSIDER ADOPTION AND RESOLUTION GRANTING A VARIANCE PURSUANT TO SECTION NINE DASH FOUR FIVE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ALTERATION OF PRAIRIE CREEK IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A TWO ACRE TRACK OF LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF POINT NORTH PARKWAY EAST OF SYNERGY PARK BOULEVARD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. MR. BAGER, MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE. UM, THE AGENDA DOES NOT STATE THIS, BUT COULD YOU ALSO READ ITEM NUMBER 13? I WILL READ BOTH. YES. PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH FIVE AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE AND ZONING FROM A R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, ADOPTING USE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, INCLUDING A CONCEPT PLAN FOR A TWO ACRE TRACK OF LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF POINT NORTH PARKWAY, EAST OF SYNERGY ROAD PARK BOULEVARD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE, UM, UM, OMISSION ON, ON THE AGENDA, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND TO EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. UH, OBVIOUSLY ITEMS NUMBER 12 AND 13 ARE OR INLY RELATED. UM, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS, UH, PROVIDE ONE BRIEFING THAT IS RESPON ONE CITY BRIEFING THAT [01:25:01] IS RESPONSIVE TO BOTH ITEMS 12 AND 13. UH, WE'LL THEN HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MAKE, UM, THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL ASK THE MAYOR TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. EVERYONE WILL BE PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO SPEAK THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ONCE THE COUNCIL CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY'LL COME BACK AND DELIBERATE. AND IF IT IS APPROPRIATE, WE WILL RETURN TO ITEM NUMBER 12, UM, UM, TO, UH, WELL, IT WILL BE APPROPRIATE AT THAT, AT THAT POINT, EXCUSE ME, TO RETURN TO ITEM NUMBER 12 AND TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE BEFORE MOVING ON TO ITEM 13. THIS PROCESS WILL ENSURE THAT BOTH, UH, THAT EVERYONE HAS HEARD BEFORE ANY ACTION IS TAKEN ON I EITHER ITEM 12 OR 13, WHICH AGAIN ARE INTRICATELY RELATED. AND SO, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, IN ADDITION TO DEREK TONIGHT, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE DAN TRACY, OUR AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OVER ENGINEERING, AS WELL AS ANDREW BAGGA, WHO'S OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OVER PLANNING. UH, DAN WILL BE AVAILABLE, UM, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. UM, THE WAY WE'RE GONNA APPROACH THIS TONIGHT IS, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS, UM, THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN CONSIDERATIONS AND OUTSTANDING ISSUES. UM, UM, ONCE WE RESOLVE THAT AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WE'LL, AND HAVE A UNDERSTANDING, UH, THEN WE WILL TRANSITION FROM THAT POINT AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND COVER, UH, THE ENTITLEMENT CONSIDERATIONS. AND SO, UM, ANDREW AND DAN, THANKS FOR, UH, GETTING THIS, UH, PRESENTATION. GET TOGETHER TONIGHT AND ANDREW, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO LEAD THE DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, THE, UM, AS MR. MAGNER PRESENTED, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE HANDLING BOTH ITEMS TOGETHER, BOTH ITEMS 12 AND 13. UM, THE FIRST BEING A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 9 4 2 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AS WELL AS ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH FIVE. A REQUEST TO FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR A TWO ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 10 25 POINT NORTH PARKWAY, ALSO KNOWN AS THE POINT NORTH RESIDENCE. SO THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF POINT NORTH PARKWAY EAST OF SYNERGY PARK BOULEVARD. UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY, UM, IT IS LOCATED EAST OF CANYON CREEK DRIVE AND WEST OF AU SHANTER LANE. UM, THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT LIMIT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY TO A COUNTRY CLUB. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UM, IS ADOPTED IN THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LATE LAST YEAR, DESIGNATED THIS PARCEL AS PART OF THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, UM, PLACE TYPE. HOWEVER, IT IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE IN WHICH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS, UM, GENERALLY PERMITTED. THE REQUEST, UH, BEFORE YOU AS IT RELATES TO THE ZONING, IS FOR A REZONING TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THE ZONING, UH, THE CURRENT ZONING, UM, WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1977 WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PART OF THE LARGER COUNTRY CLUB TRACK THAT EXTENDS TO THE SOUTH, INCLUDING CANYON CREEK COUNTRY CLUB, UM, IN 19 87, 10 YEARS LATER, UM, THE TWO ACRE PARCEL THAT'S OUTLINED HERE WAS PARCELED OFF AND DONATED TO R-R-I-S-D. UM, THESE, THE DIS SCHOOL DISTRICT NEVER MADE MUCH USE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF A NEED FOR IT, UM, ANYMORE WHEN IT WAS SOLD, UM, IN 2017 TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER. UM, NOW, UH, EIGHT YEARS LATER, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING REZONING TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY. UM, THIS IS A MORE UPTODATE AERIAL PHOTO TAKEN, UM, BY A DRONE, UM, THAT LOOKS, UH, SOUTH, UM, FROM THE FROM POINT NORTH PARKWAY ON THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY, UM, LOCATED RIGHT HERE. UM, THIS IS THE PRAIRIE CREEK, WHICH, UM, BISECTS THE PROPERTY FROM THE CANYON CREEK COUNTRY CLUB AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE TREE CLEARING HAS TAKEN PLACE, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT LATER. UM, THESE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL SITE PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN FROM THE GROUND. UM, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY FROM POINT NORTH PARKWAY. AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH TO EAST, UM, FROM POINT NORTH PARKWAY. UM, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION AS YOU GO FROM THE STREET DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK, UM, DOWN TO WHERE THERE, UM, UH, HAS BEEN SOME GRADING WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE CREEK BEYOND THAT, AND THEN THE OTHER CREEK BANK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THEN THE, UM, COUNTRY CLUB BEYOND THAT. UM, AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING EAST ON THE PROPERTY FROM POINT NORTH PARKWAY. UM, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE FLOOD PLAIN, AND I'M GONNA SPEND, UM, THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES TALKING ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN SPECIFICALLY BEFORE WE MOVE BACK INTO THE ZONING. [01:30:01] SO, UM, THIS IS THE PRAIRIE CREEK WATERSHED, UM, THAT'S OUTLINED IN YELLOW AS YOU CAN SEE. PRAIRIE CREEK IS THIS BLACK LINE THAT RUNS, UM, ROUGHLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE. UH, THE PRAIRIE CREEK WATERSHED EXTENDS GENERALLY FROM, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF COY AND PARKER ROADS IN PLANO, UM, DOWN TO THE CONFLUENCE WITH SPRING CREEK NEAR US 75 AND RENNER ROAD. UM, UP IN THIS AREA, UM, AT LEAST 70 TO 80% OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE TWO ACRE SITE, UM, THAT'S SHOWN IN BLUE HERE ON THE MAP, UM, IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN FOR PRAIRIE CREEK, AND THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED ROUGHLY MIDSTREAM IN THE BASIN. UM, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND AS FAR AS HOW FLOODPLAINS ARE DETERMINED, UM, FEMA, THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, UH, FEDERAL AGENCY, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FLOODPLAIN MAPPING TO DETERMINE AREAS OF POTENTIAL FLOOD HAZARD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. UM, FEMA CONDUCTS THE INITIAL MAPPING AND THE MOST RECENT MAPS WERE GENERATED IN 2009. SEPARATELY, UP UPDATED SURVEY OF OF FLOODPLAIN AREAS, UM, WAS CONDUCTED USING LIDAR DATA COMPLETED IN 2019. UH, VEMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROVING ANY REVISIONS TO FLOODPLAIN MAPS THROUGH A WHAT'S CALLED A CL MAR LOMAR PROCESS. UM, CL MAR STANDS FOR CONDITIONAL LETTER MAP REVISION. LOMAR STANDS FOR LETTER MAP REVISION, UM, CONDITIONAL MEANS THAT THERE'S CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT. AND THEN ONCE THOSE ARE MET, THEN A FINAL L-O-M-R-L MAR LETTER MAP REVISION IS ISSUED. UM, THE AREA IN THIS FLOW PLANE HAS GENERALLY DEVELOPED CONS CONSISTENTLY WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE AND THE FLOW MODELING THAT WAS DONE WITH MODELING THE FLOODPLAIN ACCOUNTS FOR FULLY BUILT OUT CONDITIONS. UM, FURTHERMORE, UM, THE CITY REQUIRES ANY ALTERATION TO THE FLOODPLAIN TO BE MODELED AND APPROVED BY FEMA AS DEMONSTRATED THROUGH A FLOOD STUDY. THE CITY CONDUCTS THE INITIAL REVIEW OF THE FLOOD STUDY. AND THEN ONCE THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES CITY COMMONS, THE FLOOD STUDY IS FORWARDED TO FEMA FOR FINAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THESE ARE SOME DIAGRAMS THAT SHOW, UH, THE TYPICAL, SOME OF THE TYPICAL THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN A FLOOD STUDY, UM, WHERE YOU LOOK AT, UM, FLOOD VELOCITIES, UM, OR, I'M SORRY, CREEK VELOCITIES, UM, WATER HEIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, UM, FROM THE FLOOD STUDY THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, CONDUCTED HERE, UM, THIS BLUE LINE HERE SHOWS THAT, UM, THE WATER HEIGHT IS ACTUALLY EXPECTED TO DECREASE FROM WHAT, UH, IS CURRENTLY OCCURRING WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO MOVING FURTHER INTO, UM, HOW, WHAT GOES INTO A FLOOD STUDY IN ORDER TO MAKE THE SITE DEVELOPABLE, UH, PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ARE NEEDED TO THE PROPERTY WITH WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH WILL INCLUDE REGRADING FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK BED, UH, NORTHWARD. UM, SO ESSENTIALLY FROM THIS LOCATION NORTHWARD TOWARDS POINT NORTH, NORTH PARKWAY, AS WELL AS THE PREPARATION OF A BUILDING PAD. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING HERE, UM, WHERE THE REGRADING WILL NEED TO OCCUR. AND THEN ALSO A RETAINING WALL THAT WILL BE BUILT IN THIS ORANGE LOCATION SHOWN HERE. UM, TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY FROM THE FLOOD PLAIN, THE CITY REQUIRED A FLOOD STUDY TO BE CONDUCTED BY A THIRD PARTY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER HIRED BY THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE THE ACCEPTABILITY OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN. THE FLOOD STUDY EVALUATED EXISTING AND PROPOSED WATER VELOCITIES AND WATER LEVELS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'LL BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS DOWN UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM. AFTER REVIEW OF THE FLOOD STUDY BY THE CITY, AND AFTER ALL REVIEW COMMENTS BY OUR CITY STAFF WERE ADDRESSED, THE MODELING WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY AND THEN SENT TO FEMA FOR FINAL REVIEW. UM, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION DOCUMENT, UM, THAT WAS ISSUED APPROVING THE, UM, THE, THE FLOOD STUDY AFTER THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ENGINEER ADDRESSED ALL FEMA REVIEW COMMENTS. THIS CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION WAS ISSUED, MEANING THE PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS THE MINIMUM FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT CRITERIA OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM AND WILL NOT HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT TO DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES AFTER COMPLETION OF THE REGRADING, THE NEW GRADES WILL BE VERIFIED AND SENT TO FEMA FOR A LETTER OF MAP REVISION AT LOMAR, WHICH WILL CHANGE THE FLOOD PLAIN MAPPING IN THIS AREA. UM, SO AS PART OF THE FLOODPLAIN CONSIDERATIONS, A VARIANCE IS BEING SOUGHT, UM, FROM SECTION 9 4 2 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH PROHIBITS THE CHANNELIZATION OR ALTERATION OF ROLL CREEK, OR ITS TRIBUTARIES INCLUDING [01:35:01] PRAIRIE CREEK. SO PRAIRIE CREEK FLOWS INTO SPRING CREEK, WHICH EVENTUALLY FLOWS INTO ROLL CREEK. UM, SO IT'S ALL PART OF THAT SAME, UM, BASIN, IF YOU WILL. UM, THIS PROVISION WAS ADOPTED IN 1986 THAT WAS INTENDED TO PRESERVE NATURAL AREAS ADJACENT TO THE CREEK SYSTEM. HOWEVER, IN MORE BUILT OUT AREAS, ALTERATIONS MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY. MOST RECENTLY, A VARIANCE WAS APPROVED IN 2023 ALONG SPRING CREEK AND CITY LINE FOR THE COTTON BELT HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL BRIDGE UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THERE HAS ALSO BEEN A PRECEDENT OF DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION, UM, WHICH CAN RANGE ANYWHERE FROM LARGE CONCRETE STRUCTURES TO THE GABON WALLS THAT ARE IN MORE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH HAS ALTERED THE NATURAL STATE OF THE CREEK IN ORDER TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE AND CONTROL FLOODING. UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A GABON WALL, UM, SHOWN HERE. UH, SECTION 9 45 OF THE CODE OUTLINES THE PROCEDURES FOR THE VARIANCES FROM THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH AUTHORIZE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER VAR SUCH VARIANCE REQUESTS VARIANCES SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED UPON DETERMINATION THAT THE VARIANCE IS THE MINIMUM NECESSARY, UM, TO PROVIDE RELIEF AND SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED UPON A SHOWING OF GOOD AND SUFFICIENT CAUSE. A DETERMINATION THAT, UM, ISSUING THE VARIANCE WOULD NOT RESULT IN EXCEPTIONAL HARDSHIP TO THE APPLICANT. AND A DETERMINATION THAT GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT RESULT IN THREATS TO PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, OR CONFLICT WITH, UH, LOCAL LAWS AND ORDINANCES. UM, SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE ZONING PART OF THE CASE. UM, MANY, UH, TREES WERE REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY, UM, AND WERE COMMENCED ON THE SITE PRIOR TO THE CITY ISSUING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. UM, ONCE DISCOVERED THE CITY REQUIRED A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AUTHORIZING THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES FROM THE PROPERTY. UM, ALL TREES REMOVED, INCLUDING THOSE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE PERMIT, UM, AS DEMONSTRATED THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS WERE NON-PROTECTED TREES SPECIES THAT WERE NOT PROTECTED OR WERE DECEASED. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, UM, THE CITY HAS HEARD, UM, FROM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND EVEN PRIOR TO THAT, FROM CONCERNED RESIDENTS ABOUT EROSION AND DAMAGE TO PROPERTIES ALONG PRAIRIE CREEK, THE CITY'S ENGINEERING AND CAPITAL PROJECTS DEPARTMENT ANNUALLY INSPECTS CREEKS TO ASSESS EROSION AND PRIORITIZES AREAS OF CONCERN, PARTICULARLY THOSE AREAS WHERE STRUCTURES MIGHT BE ENDANGERED, ANY POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAFF IS IN CONTACT WITH OWNERS REGARDING THESE CONCERNS. AND FUTURE PROJECTS WILL LIKELY BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM. AGAIN, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A GIAN WALL IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS DONE TO, UM, UH, TO, TO HELP PROTECT AND CONTROL FOR FLOODING AND EROSION. UM, SO DO WE WANNA PAUSE THERE? YEAH, ANDREW, THANK YOU. GREAT, GREAT JOB. YOU KNOW, I I, WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE PREPARING, I, I ASKED ANDREW AND DAN TO, UM, NOT ONLY EXPLAIN, UM, THE PROCESS FOR WHEN A, A APPLICANT COMES IN AND WANTS TO DEVELOP, UH, A, UH, PRO A A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THIS, BUT ALSO TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING WHAT AND WHAT APPROVALS AT WHAT PART OF THAT PROCESS. AND SO ANDREW, UH, YOU AND DAN, GREAT JOB PUTTING THESE SLIDES TOGETHER, BUT I DO WANNA STOP HERE. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION, NOT JUST FOR THE VARIANCE, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, FOR, UM, UM, THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, THE ENTITLEMENT WORK THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AS WELL. SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE CAN ADDRESS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYONE HAS A SOLID UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, OF THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN ISSUES? MAYOR PRO TIM, THANK YOU. I HAVE FEW QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL ASK SOME OF THE QUESTION LATER. BUT ONE QUESTION I WILL ASK RIGHT NOW IS THAT, THAT TREE, YOU SAID THAT THAT TREE HAS BEEN REMOVED AND, UH, THAT TREE THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED ARE NOT REALLY, UH, NON-PROTECTED TREES. SO CAN I ASSUME THAT YOU EXACTLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF TREE WAS REMOVED? UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION FOR THAT? UH, YES SIR. UH, THE TREES WERE THAT THEY REMOVED, UH, WERE NOT ON THE PROTECTED, EXCUSE ME, SPECIES LIST. UH, DID HAVE OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT GO OUT, UH, AND VERIFY, UM, THAT NONE OF THE TREES, I BELIEVE THEY WERE MOSTLY BO ARK AND, UM, I FORGET THE OTHER TYPE THAT ARE KIND OF A NATIVE, UH, OR NOT A NATIVE, BUT A INVASIVE SPECIES, UH, IN THE AREA. AND SO PARKS DO GO OUT AND VERIFY THAT THOSE TREES WERE NOT ON THE PROTECTED SPECIES LIST. AND DAN, JUST FOR, UH, EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT, HOW DID THEY VERIFY THAT? UH, THEY WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE BARK TYPE AND, UH, THEY, THEY COULD TELL WITHOUT [01:40:01] THE, THE LEAVES, IT WAS IN THE MORE WINTER WINTER TIME. UM, BUT THEY COULD TELL, UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE A BURST. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. I GUESS THIS WAS DONE WITH THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, I GUESS IT WAS. I MEAN, WHATEVER THEY COULD DO THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S DONE. UH, THERE WAS NO PREVIOUS DOCUMENTATION, NOTHING TO COMPARE FIRST WAS THERE OR SOMETHING. YEAH, I MEAN, IF, IF THE TREE WASN'T THERE OR IF THE, IF THE STUMP WASN'T THERE, I MEAN, IF SOMETHING WAS REMOVED OFF THE PROPERTY BEFORE WE ARRIVED, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY FOR THEM TO CITY CONFIRM IT. RIGHT. AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES TO CONFIRM. NOW, COULD YOU TELL ME THE, GO TO THE MAP AND TELL ME, BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT, I'M GONNA BE ASKING MORE QUESTION, UH, ON THIS, UH, THE MAP. YEAH, THE YELLOW, THE ORANGE LINE, THE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY, PLEASE SEE IF, IF YOU CAN GET IT FROM SOMEONE, UH, THE LENGTH OF THAT STRETCH, THE LENGTH OF THE ORANGE LINE OR YELLOW LINE, UM, I PROBABLY HAVE, YOU DON'T, PROBABLY DON'T HAVE IT, BUT SOMEBODY CAN GET IT THROUGH SOMETIMES. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND BETTER TO THAT. YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUPLE QUESTIONS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO FORT SLIDE 14 AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IN THIS PICTURE? SO IS THIS FROM THE STREET LOOKING OVER THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION? AND THEN WHAT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY BEGUN WORK. THIS ISN'T JUST THEY CUT DOWN TREES OR WHAT'S THIS ON THE RIGHT? WHAT'S THE GREEN, DID THEY PLANT GRASS THERE? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT ON THE RIGHT? LIKE, IS THAT, AND GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ASKED THEM TO DO. YEAH, SO, UM, ONCE THEY, UH, HAD THE TREES REMOVED, UH, WE KNEW THAT THE AREA WAS SENSITIVE TO EROSION, UH, FROM THE CREEK. UH, SO WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO WAS PUT IN, UH, A SILT SILT FENCE, WHICH IS THE BLACK VERTICAL FENCE. IT'S ROUGHLY TWO TO THREE FEET HIGH, UH, AND DOWN. AND THEN DOWN ON THE, UH, BANK BELOW THE SILT SILT FENCE THEY PUT IN, UH, IT'S CALLED ACRY X MA, EXCUSE ME, CURLX MATERIAL THAT IS, UH, UH, GEOTEXTILE FABRIC, UH, THAT IS PINNED, PINNED DOWN AND ALLOWS VEGETATION TO GROW UP THROUGH IT. SO IT PROTECTS THE BANK UNTIL NATURAL VEGETATION IS RE REESTABLISHED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THIS WAS DONE AFTER WE GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE YES. YEAH, IT WAS DONE AFTER THE TREES. TREES WERE, WERE REMOVED, BUT IN, IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, NO SOIL HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN OR TAKEN OUT, UH, AT ANY POINT ON THIS OTHER THAN JUST THE, UH, DEBRIS AND CLUTTER FROM, UH, CLEARING OF THE, THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS. OKAY. UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROCESS. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY GOES IN FIRST. DOES THE INITIAL STUDY, DO WE DO THAT INTERNALLY OR DO WE THIRD PARTY THAT OUT? OR WHO, I MEAN WHO'S DOING THIS? YES. SO, SO WE LET, LET ME LET DAN RESPOND, BUT WE DON'T DO THIS STUDY, RIGHT? SO, UM, FEMA, EXCUSE ME, FEMA LIKE ANDREW MENTIONED IS THE, UH, THEY DO THE MAPS, DO THE STUDIES INITIALLY, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT MAPPING OR YOU THINK THAT MAPPING IS IN INCORRECT, THEN YOU WOULD, YOU, YOU HAVE TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO GO IN AND, UH, EITHER STUDY IT OR STATE SPECIFICALLY, UH, WHAT IS WRONG OR WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IN THAT, IN THAT MODEL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPER DID, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, HE HIRED AN ENGINEER, UH, TO GO OUT, SURVEY THE PROPERTY, CONTACT FEMA, GET THEIR MODEL, AND THEN TAKE OUT THE PIECE, UH, THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO ALTER, RIGHT? WITH THE, UH, CREEK CREEK BANK, UH, MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THE MODEL AND THEN, UH, ESSENTIALLY PUT IT BACK INTO FEMA'S MODEL, UH, AND THEN SEND THAT TO FEMA AND GET THEIR, UH, COMMENTS AND FOR THEM TO SIGN OFF THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS ACCORDING TO THEIR STANDARDS. SO AT WHAT POINT, BECAUSE GO TO SLIDE 11, PLEASE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S PIECE IN THIS 'CAUSE. AND AGAIN, FORGIVE ME IF I'M HAVING YOU REPEAT YOURSELF, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE, WHERE OUR PIECE IS ON THIS HERE, IT SAYS, AFTER REVIEW OF THE FLOOD PLATE STUDY BY THE CITY, SO I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER, I HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM, LOOK AT IT, SUBMIT IT TO FEMA FOR APPROVAL, AND THEN GET IT BACK, AND THEN SHOW IT TO THE CITY. AND THE CITY PROVIDES FEEDBACK, NO, PRIOR, PRIOR TO THE, UM, UH, PRIOR TO THE STUDY BEING SENT TO FEMA, THE CITY, UH, REVIEWS IT, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, MATCHING UP. AND THEN, UM, BECAUSE THE CITY, THE COM COMMUNITY HAS TO SIGN OFF THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES BEFORE IT GETS SENT TO, TO FEMA. SO THAT IS, THAT IS A STEP. SO ENGINEER DOES THE STUDY GETS WITH US. THERE'S USUALLY [01:45:01] A LITTLE BACK AND BACK AND FORTH ON THE MODELING. UH, AND THEN ONCE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, UM, THEN WE SIGN OFF ON IT AND IT GETS SENT TO FEMA FOR THEIR APPROVAL. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT? ARE WE LOOKING AT IT FROM A PLANNING, AND I MEAN, WITH WHAT EYES ARE WE FILTERING? UH, TECHNICALLY FROM AN ENGINEERING STAND STANDPOINT IS THE, IS THE, UH, ALTERATIONS TO THE CREEK THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, DO THEY FUNCTIONALLY WORK WITHIN THAT MODEL? ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE MODEL, DO THEY MAKE SENSE? UH, AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THE BACK AND BACK AND FORTH IS ON THERE. SO CAN WE GO TO 16? I WANNA MAKE SURE AGAIN, I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS. ALL RIGHT. SO WE SAY ALTERATIONS TO THE CREEK. MY UNDERSTANDING IS BASICALLY IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, EXCUSE ME, BUT WE BUILD THE WALL, WE INFILL IT TO LEVEL IT, TO BUILD ON IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY SH CHANGING THE SHAPE OF THE CREEK. THE CONCERN THERE IS, I MEAN, THE CURVE IS STILL THE SAME CURVE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT BUILDING OUT INTO THE CREEK. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE BUILDING A WALL. BUT THE CH CONCERN IS OBVIOUSLY TO THE PROPERTY AROUND THE FLOODING. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE FLOW OF IT OTHER THAN DEVOLVING OF IT INTO THE AREAS. IS THAT CORRECT? LIKE, THEY'RE NOT BUILDING OUT INTO THE CREEK, CORRECT. YEAH, WE'RE NOT NARROWING THE CREEK. CORRECT. CORRECT. AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING A, A VERTICAL WALL, UH, WHERE, UH, THE GROUND ONCE SLOPED, UM, THEY'RE HAVING, SO THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR FILL FILL SECTION. AND SO WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO TO THAT, UM, THEY'RE HAVING TO CUT OUT, UH, A PORTION OF THE SLOPE BELOW THE WALL TO BALANCE THAT OUT. SO IT'S BALANCING OUT FOR WHAT YOU CUT, OR EXCUSE ME FOR, FOR WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO FILL. YOU ALSO HAVE TO CUT OUT A CERTAIN PORTION SO THAT THAT CROSS SECTION BALANCES. OKAY. NOW I REMEMBER MY MOM, I'M ORIGINALLY FROM SOUTH TEXAS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WHAT WE CALL AKAS, WHICH ARE LIKE WHERE THE OLD RIO GRANDE RIVER USED RUN. I REMEMBER AT MY MOM'S HOUSE, WE BUILT A RETAINING WALL. AND, UM, THE PROPERTY, WE HAD TO PUT DRIVERS DOWN LIKE, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I THINK IT WAS LIKE EIGHT FEET BELOW MUD LEVEL, RIGHT? IN ORDER FOR IT TO ANCHOR TO BUILD A LITTLE, UM, FISHING DECK OUT THERE AND PUT A, PUT A LITTLE RETAINING WALL. DOES THIS, ARE THESE ROCKS, THIS ROCK WALL PURELY GO ON THE CURRENT BEDROCK, OR WE DO, THEY HAVE TO DRILL DOWN IN THE BEDROCK. WHAT'S THE PHYSICAL PROCESS OF BUILDING A WALL LIKE THIS? YEAH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF WALLS, UH, THAT, THAT COULD BE BUILT. UH, YOU SAW A PICTURE OF A, A GAB BIAN WALL. UH, AND SO THE ENGINEERING AND THE TIEBACKS FOR THE ROCKS, UH, WITH WITHIN THE, UH, METAL, UM, COMPARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE IN REQUIRES, UH, CERTAIN TYPES OF TIEBACKS. BUT THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL CONCRETE WALLS WITH LIKE, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH, WITH PIERS THAT GO DOWN, UH, TO A, TO A CERTAIN LEVEL FOR STABILITY. AND THERE'S GRAVITY WALLS. AND THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO, TO DO. THE, THE MODEL DOESN'T CARRY. IT JUST WANTS TO KNOW WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS THE VERTICAL PLANE OF THE WALL SO THAT IT CAN LOOK AT WHAT EFFECTS THAT HAS ON THE, ON, ON THE CREEK. WHEN WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE DECIDED IN THIS PROCESS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD LATER BE BROUGHT BACK TO US? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DECIDED INTERNALLY WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT? LIKE IF THEY WANNA GO GRAVITY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY CHICKEN WIRE FILLED WITH ROCKS, RIGHT. LAYMAN'S TERMS AGAIN? SURE. UH, OR IF THEY WANT TO DIG DOWN DEEP, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE TO DRILL INTO THE BEDROCK, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'D WANNA DO THAT, BUT AT WHAT POINT IS THAT DECIDED AND WHO DECIDES? YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AS TO EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF WALL THEY, THEY, THEY WANT. UH, AND THAT WILL NOT COME BACK, UH, TO COUNSEL FOR ANY TYPE OF RIGHT DELIBERATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE NOW. APPRECIATE IT. MR. CHU, DO YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING? YES, I HAVE, UH, ONE MORE THING. I, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOW THIS QUESTIONING AND GET UNDERSTANDING THIS THING WILL WORK. UH, SO AFTER YOUR CONVERSATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE COMING MM-HMM . I GUESS. MM-HMM . SO I THINK I SHOULD, UH, IS HE GONNA HAVE AN ENGINEER WITH HIM OR JUST, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE ANSWERING ALL THE ENGINEERING INFORMATION AND THERE ARE HEADS NODDING YES. IN THE AUDITOR. YES. HIS, UH, HIS ENGINEER IS HERE, HIS ENGINEERS HERE BECAUSE I HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DAN BARRIOS ASKED, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA GO MORE DETAIL ON THAT. OKAY. UH, AND, UH, I'M GONNA BE VERY SPECIFIC ASKING ABOUT THE MODEL, HOW THEY BUILD THE MODEL, AND, UH, I'M GONNA BE ASKING THE POWER MEETING PROCESS. WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS? SO ARE THO I'M GONNA, AM I GONNA WAIT FOR THOSE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED? I WOULD DIRECT THAT TO THE ENGINE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER. YEAH. [01:50:01] OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. I'LL JUST HOLD ONTO THOSE. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN IAN. THANK YOU. UH, AND, AND THIS MIGHT, I MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THIS AS WELL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK AND ALSO MAKE A COMMENT AND ESPECIALLY ON YOUR COMMENTS, UH, COUNCILMAN VARI ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THIS RETAINING WALL IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT IS STILL THE SAME LINE OF THE SHORELINE. WE'RE DIGGING PIERS INTO BEDROCK AND WE ARE ADDING IN WHATEVER TYPE OF WALL THAT GETS DESIGNED. AND I HEARD YOU MENTION EARLIER, ANDREW, AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THIS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO DETER OR CREATE ADDITIONAL EROSION BECAUSE OF THE WATER FLOW DUE TO THE, FOR THE WATER HITTING THAT RETAINING WALL OPPOSED TO IT JUST RUNNING UP THE GRASS LINE. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT REAL CLEAR. I MEAN, I HEARD IT WAS A REDUCTION EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION. YES. IF, YEAH, DAN, I CAN, I'LL LET YOU ELABORATE ON THAT MORE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT PROCESS MORE, RIGHT? SO THE, UM, UH, AMOUNT OF FLOW AND THE VELOCITIES THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE CREEK, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE ENGINEER HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WERE NOT IN INCREASED BY DOING THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO, TO, TO DO. YEAH. HE'S GOT THIS, UM, UH, EXHIBIT UP HERE. UH, AND THIS SHOWS THE CUT AND FILL. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, IS TO GO FROM, AND YOU CAN, CAN YOU SEE THE ORANGE LINE UP NORTH ON THE LEFT EXHIBIT? UH, YEAH. THAT, THAT'S ROUGHLY, UH, WHERE THE, UH, EXISTING, UM, PLATEAU IS, UH, AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT. UM, BUT JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HATCHED AREA IS A, IS A KIND OF A, EXCUSE ME. YEAH. UM, SO WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT THEY'RE MODELING IS, IS MOVING THIS ORANGE LINE, UM, HERE OUT TO WHERE THIS RED LINE IS ROUGHLY THIS BECOMES, OR THIS IS WHERE THE WALL, UH, IS GOING TO BE CON CONSTRUCTED. UH, AND THIS IS, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE FLOOD FLOODWAY. UH, AND SO, AND O OVER HERE, THIS IS A CROSS SECTION, UH, MAYBE GETTING INTO MORE DETAIL. BUT, UM, ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE EXISTING BANK AND YOU CAN SEE IT JUST KIND OF, IT SLOPES UP FROM WHERE THE WATER IS. UH, THE NORMAL POOL ELEVATION HERE, IT SLOPE SLOPES UP ON A GENTLE SLOPE UP TO THE TOP. THIS IS, UH, LOOKING, UH, SOUTH. SO THIS WOULD BE WHERE POINT NORTH PARKWAY IS OVER HERE. UM, BUT THIS IS THE CUT AND FILL SECTION. UH, SO THEY'RE FILLING IN THIS AREA, UM, BEHIND THE WALL, AND THEN THEY'RE CUTTING THIS AREA OUT, UM, THAT IS BELOW THE WALL AND THAT'S HOW THEY GET THE, THE FILL IMBALANCE THERE. UM, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. DOLAN? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS. 'CAUSE OBVIOUS, I'M, I'M, I WOULD BE GUESSING THAT THE CUTTING OUT THAT LOWER PORTION UNDER THE WALL IS GONNA ALLOW MORE WATERFALL, THEREFORE DECREASING THE WATER LEVEL AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS TO DECREASE IT AND ALSO DETER THE WATER AND HAVE IT RUN EFFICIENTLY. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE RETAINING WALL ITSELF, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE, THAT OBVIOUSLY ENCOURAGES THE ADDITIONAL LAND MASS TO NOT SHIFT AND TO ALLOW IT TO BE HELD. AND I'M SURE ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL OR PUSHING THE RETAINING WALL OUT IS ALMOST A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY TO SET, TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LAND TO BUILD. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT RIGHT UP ON THE EDGE AND EXPECT THAT RETAINING WALL TO BE SUSTAINABLE OVER A PERIOD OF 20, 30 YEARS. SO I'M GUESSING THAT PART OF THAT, AND I'M JUST TRYING, I'M SAYING THIS OUT LOUD 'CAUSE I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS AND HOW IT WORKS, BUT WOULD YOU, UH, WOULD YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THAT? YES. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY LOOKED AT, UH, WHAT THE LIMITS OF, OF WHAT THEY COULD DO TO, TO BALANCE OUT, UH, THE, THE, THE FLOW IN THE CREEK TO MAINTAIN LEVELS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEIGHT, UH, AND ALSO THE VELOCITY. AND, AND THIS WAS, UM, THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE LARGEST PAD, BUT THE, THE, THE PAD THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD, UM, USE FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING THE HOUSE. GREAT. THANK YOU. JUST MR. , JUST ONE QUICK COMMENTS HERE. UH, YOU KNOW, I DO THIS KIND OF WORK FOR LIVING, SO I DO GET PAID FOR THIS. UH, NOW I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE FEW COMMENTS HERE SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND, UH, [01:55:01] AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHICH WAY I'M GONNA GO ASKING QUESTION. UH, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A ROAD, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, TALK ABOUT THE CHICK-FIL-A THAT WE HAD LAST CASE. SO YOU, IF YOU HAVE WIDER ROAD, IF YOU HAVE 20 CAR, IT'LL GO A CERTAIN WAY, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. BUT IF YOU TRY TO REDUCE THE WIDTH, SOME OF THE CAR IS GONNA STEP BACK AND GO A LITTLE SLOWLY. UH, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WATER, WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL THE WATER. WHAT WE DO, WE MANAGE WATER. UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY HOLD IT AND SAY, OKAY, GO THIS WAY. UH, IT'LL MAKE ITS WAY, THE WAY IT WANTS TO GO. UH, SO WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, NARROW THE CHANNEL, YOU CAN REDUCE THE DROP IN A WATER, UH, DROP, BUT THE AMOUNT OF FLOW IS A FACTOR OF VELOCITY. AND AREA Q IS V TIMES A. SO YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR A AND REDUCE THE VELOCITY. YOU REDUCE THE, A VELOCITY INCREASE MODEL. SO TELL ME ABOUT THE MODEL. UH, MAYBE THE BIG, SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE REVIEWED THE MODEL, UH, HAVE YOU CHECKED, UM, UH, THE EROSION FACTOR FOR THE MODEL? FEMA DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THINGS, SO THAT'S SEPARATE THING THAT HOW MUCH, YEAH. AND THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER LEFT TO THE, UH, CONSULTANT AS TO, UH, HOW THEY MODELED IT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. CHEN, WRITER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE HAVE, WHAT IS IT, 7, 6, 7 PAGES OF CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS. CAN YOU JUST DUMB IT DOWN AS TO, WITH WHAT THE CITY'S DONE, SENDING IT TO FEMA AND GETTING THE, THE DIFFERENT, THE, THE, THE PRE-APP, I, I'M GONNA CALL IT PRE-APPROVAL. THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT, BUT THEN THE, I GUESS THERE'S THE FINAL APPROVAL THAT COMES THROUGH. CAN YOU JUST DUMB IT DOWN? I MEAN, IS IS, IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING IS, IS THAT THE CONCERNS THAT THAT RESIDENTS HAVE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE BASED ON THE CITY'S REVIEW REVIEW AND FEMA'S REVIEW IS NOT, IS NOT A CONCERN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IN THE, KIND OF THE SIMPLEST OF TERMS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ADMIT IT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING TO GET INTO SOME ENGINEERING ARGUMENT TONIGHT. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERS MY PERSPECTIVE WHEN, WHEN THE CITIZENS REACH OUT AND SAY THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, UM, EROSION AND SILT LINE AND FLOODPLAINS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I MEAN, IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS IT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASED ON Y'ALL'S REVIEW AND FEMA'S REVIEW, THAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE NEGATED OR, OR HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING WITH ALL OF THIS JUST IN VERY PLAIN ENGLISH, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING UP, AND WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING BASICALLY IS, IS, IS THE CONCERNS ARE NEGATED. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOTTA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. WELL, MR I'M JUST TRYING, TRYING UNDERSTAND. YEAH, NO, I, I, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE CONCERNS ARE NOT VALID OR ANYTHING TO THAT NATURE. 'CAUSE THEY ARE VERY VALID. HOWEVER, THERE'S THE SCIENCE THAT WE HAVE TO GO WITH. THERE'S A, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S A LEGAL IT UP FOR ME. THERE'S A LEGAL PROCESS THAT WE MUST FOLLOW. RIGHT? UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA TRUST FEMA ON A THOUSAND OTHER THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH THEM ON, OUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS HAVE LOOKED AT THIS MODEL. THEY HAVE VETTED IT OURSELVES AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER TO REFINE IT. WE'VE SENT IT TO FEMA TWICE NOW, TO HAVE FEMA ULTIMATELY SAY THAT THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE MODELING AND THAT THE OUTPUT OF THAT MODEL MAKES SENSE, AND TO THEM, UH, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS. AND SO, OKAY. I, I WOULD SAY THERE THE, THE CONCERNS ARE, ARE VERY VALID, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE, AND VAL IS NOT, I WAS TRYING TO SAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY WHAT, WHAT IS THE SCIENCE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE, BUT, BUT AS A, AS A, AS A GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE, THE PROCESS, THE LEGAL PROCESS THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW. RIGHT? AND THAT IS, AND IN THIS CASE, THAT'S BASED ON THE SCIENCE. AND I THINK, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN DAN'S DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER, BUT FEMA HAS SAID THERE'S NO UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS IF THIS WALL IS DONE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED. AND THAT'S BEEN OUR POSITION ALL ALONG. WE'VE TRIED TO, UM, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UM, ADDRESS AS MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE CAN. BUT ULTIMATELY AS A, AS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO TAKE FEMA'S, UM, I MEAN, IF FE WOULD'VE COME BACK AND SAID SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE WOULD'VE BEEN OBLIGATED TO TAKE THAT. SURE. I, AND WE WOULD'VE WORKING UNDERSTAND WITH THE APPLICANT TO PROVE IT. AND SO, UM, I KNOW JUST [02:00:01] LIKE THE COUNCIL, WE WERE VERY SENSITIVE TO ALL THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVE, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE UP, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO UPHOLD THE ORDINANCE OF THIS ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, AND WE'VE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS AND WE'VE GOTTEN THE ANSWER BACK FROM FEMA. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THAT'S HOW I WOULD RESPOND ON THAT. OKAY. GO, GO AHEAD, SIR. NO, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE CURRENTLY ARE THIS, THERE ARE AREAS IN THE CREEK THAT ARE PRONE TO EROSION JUST BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY OF THE CREEK, CREEK BANK AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING THROUGH, UH, WHEN IT DOES DOES RAIN. AND THERE'S ALSO AREAS, UH, THAT PICK UP SILT. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE, UH, I THINK IS, IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS WERE, WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY, UH, DEVELOPS OR DOESN'T DEVELOP, THOSE ISSUES ARE STILL GONNA BE THERE. AND SO THOSE ARE JUST ADDRESSED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EARLIER WAS MENTIONED IN THE BRIEF WITH, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WALLS AND, AND DETENTION PONDS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE, IN THE SYSTEM. OKAY. SO I, I'VE GOTTA JUST TRY AND LET ME TRY AND PAR WHAT YOU SAID BACK TO ME. SURE. IS THAT THERE ARE, THAT THERE MAY BE CONCERNS OF, OF SILT, THERE MAY BE CONCERNS OF EROSION, BUT THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY BASICALLY LEAVES EVERYTHING AT STATUS QUO. SO IF THERE'S SOME EROSION GOING ON NOW, THERE MAY BE CONTINUED EROSION, BUT IT'S NOT, IT WON'T BE EXACERBATED CORRECT. OR DECREASED BY THIS, BY THIS PROJECT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST, IT, IT, IT'S A NEUTRAL IMPACT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT IN TERMS AND UNDERSTANDING. CORRECT, YES, SIR. AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID THROUGH THE MODELING WAS DEMO, DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'RE CHANGING THE GEOMETRY OF THE CREEK, BUT THE EFFECTS OF THAT CHANGE, UH, DON'T INCREASE THE VELOCITY AND DO NOT RAISE THE, THE WATER, WATER SURFACE ELEVATION. AND SO THE EFFECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, STILL GONNA BE THERE OF, OF THE SILT AND THE EROSION THAT, THAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING, WHETHER OR NOT THIS GOES FORWARD. OKAY. OKAY. SO IN ESSENCE, TWO ISSUES, SALT AND EROSIONS THERE ALREADY MAY VERY WELL CONTINUE BASED ON AMOUNT OF RAINFALL. I, I GUESS LACK OF RAINFALL, WHAT WHATEVER WOULD OCCUR FROM THAT, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. BUT THIS BASICALLY LEAVES IT AT A NEUTRAL OF WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR WAY TO SAY THAT? I, I THINK SO, YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT IN TERMS I CAN UNDERSTAND. THANKS, MR. CORCORAN. SO, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M DON YOU, YOU'VE KIND OF CONFUSED ME A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST ON, ON THE TECHNICALITIES OF ACTION ITEM 12 SPECIFICALLY MM-HMM . UM, SO ARE YOU JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE, WE AS A COUNCIL, THIS IS REALLY A MINISTERIAL THING AND WE'RE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO VOTE FOR THIS AS A CITY. MM-HMM . NO, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT NO, I'M THE PROCESS THAT GOT US HERE TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. IT IS WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOLLOWED. I MEAN, YOU CAN, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. RIGHT. NOW YOU HAVE CRITERIA ON BY WHICH A VARIANCE IS APPROPRIATE TO YEP. TO UTILIZE. BUT NO, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S MINISTERIAL AT ALL. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE PROCESS THAT WE SPENT THE FIRST YEP. FIVE TO SIX SLIDES OF THIS PRESENTATION AS IT GOT INTO THE PROCESS, THAT'S A VERY DEFINED PROCESS THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO UPHOLD. JUST LIKE WE'RE OBLIGATED TO UPHOLD OTHER ORDINANCES AND OTHER, OTHER, OTHER LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S THE POINT. AND THAT PROCESS AND THE SCIENCE BEHIND THAT PROCESS LED TO THE CONCLUSION THAT DAN AND ANDREW HAVE SHARED WITH YOU THAT I SEE, UM, TO, AND I THINK SOME HEDGE WRITER SAID IT SAID IT WELL, IF THIS PROJECT'S BUILT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A MOOT POINT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OTHER ISSUES. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE PROJECT. IF IT'S CONSTRUCTED TO DO NO HARM, RIGHT. IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA EXASPERATE, IT'S NOT GONNA WORSEN ANY OF THESE OTHER ISSUES. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THESE OTHER ISSUES AREN'T LEGITIMATE ISSUES MM-HMM . BUT WHAT'S BEFORE THE QUESTION BEFORE IS, DOES THIS PROJECT CHANGE THOSE ISSUES IN, IN ANY WAY? AND THE SCIENCE HAS SAID NO. MM-HMM . NO, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. I, THE REASON I YEAH, NO, THAT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE YEAH, BECAUSE THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THE FACT THAT WE ESSENTIALLY HAD TO FOLLOW THIS PROCESS IS SOMETHING THAT I THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU HAD SAID, AND THEN YOU SAID ONE LITTLE THING THAT KIND OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. SO NO, NO, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT, THAT I HAD WAS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, A LOT OF COMMENTS IN HERE ABOUT US AS A CITY, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY ELABORATE ON IT TOO MUCH IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT US AS A, A CITY NOT DREDGING THE RETENTION POND TO THE NORTH MM-HMM . AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, OUR DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, AROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EITHER BEING SOMETHING NEGLECTFUL OR SOMETHING INTENTIONAL. I WAS HOPING THAT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF US AS A COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS IN HERE, BUT ALSO TO THE AUDIENCE. YOU COULD, YOU OR SOMEONE ON THE STAFF COULD JUST TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES, [02:05:01] SORRY, A COUPLE MOMENTS, , A COUPLE MOMENTS TO JUST ELABORATE ON, ON THAT HISTORY OF THAT RETENTION POND IN THE NORTH. I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ADDRESS SOME OF WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT HERE. YEAH. AND, UM, IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT I THINK SOMETIME BACK IN THE, UH, EIGHTIES AND NINETIES, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE EXISTING DETENTION POND NORTH OF RENNER ROAD E EXISTED PRIOR. UM, BUT CERTAINLY THE ONE TO THE SOUTH OF RENA ROAD, UM, THERE'S A, A WEIR STRUCTURE THERE, UM, THAT WAS BUILT FOR FLOOD, FLOOD CON CONTROL. UH, AND BOTH OF THOSE WORK IN TANDEM, UH, AS DETENTION STRUCTURE TO SLOW, SLOW DOWN THE WATER MM-HMM . UH, AND SO, UH, AND OVER TIME THOSE HAVE SILTED UP. UM, BUT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SILTED UP AS FAR AS FLOOD FLOOD CONTROL, THEY STILL, UH, FUNCTION, FUNCTION THE SAME BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, UH, STORM WATER'S GONNA CLEAR OUT TO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE TOP OF THE SILT, WHETHER THERE'S DIRT OR WATER, UH, IN THOSE SYSTEMS, THEY'RE GONNA FUNCTION THE SAME. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SO FAR AS THE FLOOD FLOOD CONTROL, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL WORKING. LIKE THEY SHOULD. HOWEVER, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN STILTED IN AND, AND, AND FROM TIME TO TIME, UM, THE CITY DOES HAVE CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, THAT GO IN AND, AND DREDGE THOSE, DREDGE THOSE LAKES. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE IT IN OTHER, IN OTHER LAKES TOO. UM, JUST IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF A ENVIRONMENTAL AQUATIC LIFE, UH, TYPE OF, TYPE OF THING. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT MEANS THAT THE, UH, WHENEVER THE LAKES SILT UP, IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY AND THAT THE WATER'S BEING SLOWED, SLOWED DOWN AND, AND THE, UH, SEDIMENT'S ABLE TO, TO SETTLE OUT, UM, BEFORE IT GOES, GOES THROUGH. SO DOES THAT ANSWER KIND OF THE, IT ANSWERS THE, THE SCIENCE BEHIND IT? I MEAN, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE ACTUALLY WERE NOT DREDGING THE LAKE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE WE WERE CON OR I SAY LAKE, BUT DREDGING THE RETENTION POND BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IT BUILT UP IN THERE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, LET ME, LET ME BUILD ON DAN'S POINT. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR DREDGING PROGRAM. OKAY. UM, I CAN THINK IN, YOU KNOW, IN MY NEARLY 30 YEARS HERE MM-HMM . UM, I CAN THINK OF ONE SIGNIFICANT DREDGING PROJECT THAT WE'VE COMPLETED CITYWIDE MM-HMM . NOW, AS I SAY, SIGNIFICANT, LIKE, LIKE THIS WOULD BE, UM, NOW THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN BETTER LEVERAGE OUR DRAINAGE FUND AND INCLUDE MORE CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THAT. UM, AND, AND, AND THAT AS A FUNDING SOURCE, WE HAVE HAD THESE PROJECTS FOR CONSIDERATION AND PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS. AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY, THEY, THEY DID NOT MAKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL, UM, PROJECT COMPOSITION FOR, FOR THE DRAINAGE PROPOSITION. UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR DREDGING PROGRAM WHERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE JUST IGNORED THIS ONE, OR FOR SOME REASON WE'VE, WE'VE BYPASSED, UM, THIS, UM, PROGRAM. THE, THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THOSE WERE SELECTED PREVIOUSLY WERE KIND OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITY KIND OF WHEN A, WHEN A POND WASN'T FUNCTIONING AS IT WAS ENGINEERED. AND TO DAN'S POINT, I MEAN, I THINK, AND, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, DAN, AND I DON'T WANNA, UH, MISQUOTE YOU, BUT I, I THINK I JUST HEARD 'EM SAY IT'S STILL, UH, FUNCTIONING AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS SILTED IN SOMEWHAT. SO, UM, BUT, BUT THIS WOULD BE A, AT THIS JUNCTURE, IT WOULD BE A BOND PROGRAM. OF COURSE, A PROJECT OF THAT MAGNITUDE WOULD BE A FUTURE BOND PROGRAM. MM-HMM . UM, ABSENT SOME OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL MENTIONED IN THERE. YEAH. I JUST, THAT, THAT HELPS ANSWER, IT HELPS ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. YEAH. THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ON THIS PICTURE ON THE LEFT, THERE'S A BLUE LINE TITLED PC. UM, CAN YOU, IS THAT BASED ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE, THE CREEK? IS THAT LIKE THE, WHERE THE VOLUME IS THAT IT'S HIGHEST OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT BLUE LINE REPRESENT? THE BLUE LINE IS THE CENTER OF THE, OF THE CREEK. RIGHT. SO, SO THIS IS WHERE THE NORMAL WATER, WATER POOL IS IN THE CREEK, AND I THINK THE PC IS JUST PRAIRIE CREEK. UM, AND THEN THE, UH, HATCH LINE HERE IS THE WIDTH OF THE FLOOD FLOODWAY. SO WHAT KIND OF, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND UNDERSTANDING, WELL, I GUESS NEXT QUESTION IS HOW FAR NORTH AND HOW FAR SOUTH OF THIS BEND AND, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT THINKING THIS IS KIND OF A NARROW PART OF THE CREEK BASED ON THIS PICTURE, AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF LIMITING THE NARROWNESS. UM, WELL, WE'RE NOT LIMITING THE ACTUAL WIDTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, THE QUESTION IS WHERE IS HOW, HOW FAR NORTH AND [02:10:01] SOUTH OF THIS BEND DO THEY LOOK AT? I MEAN, DO THEY GO 200 YARDS? DO THEY GO A QUARTER MILE? DO THEY GO EVERY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING AT WHEN THEY PROVIDE, WHAT INPUTS DO THEY TAKE? RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO THAT'S A, THAT'S AGAIN, A QUESTION FOR THEIR ENGINEER. THEY CAN ANSWER EXACTLY HOW, HOW FAR, UH, THEY GO. AND, AND IT, AND IT VARIES. SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET UPSTREAM AND DOWN DOWNSTREAM, AND THE MODEL TIES AS WELL, TOOK TOGETHER. OTHER TIMES YOU HAVE TO GO FURTHER UP AND DOWN DOWNSTREAM SO THAT, UH, WHENEVER YOU PUT YOUR PIECE BACK IN, EVERYTHING IS, IS CON CONSISTENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TIM, ONE QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT FEMALE LOOKS AT THE ONLY, LOOK AT THE FLOOD ISSUE UPSTREAM, DOWNSTREAM, OR IN THE AREA. THEY DON'T REALLY CARE FOR EROSION. UH, THAT'S NOT THEIR THINGS. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT FMA DOESN'T SEE ANY IMPACT ON FLOODING UPSTREAM, DOWNSTREAM, BUT WHENEVER YOU TOUCH THE WATER OF THE US YOU BRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE EQUATION. AND HAVE YOU TALKED TO THAT SOMEBODY AND WHO IS THAT? SOMEBODY? YES. SO, UH, THEY DID THE, UH, ENGINEER AT OUR PRO, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DEVELOPER AT OUR PROMPTING, UH, DID HIRE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTS TO GO OUT, UH, AND LOOK AT THE, UH, WATERS OF THE US AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE RIPARIAN AREA. AND, UH, THEY DETERMINED THEY WERE LESS THAN THE THREE, 300 FEET, WHICH IS UNDER THE NATIONWIDE PERMIT. UH, SO THERE WAS NO MITIGATION AND THEY COULD PROCEED, UH, WITH THE ALTERATIONS THAT THEY, THAT THEY WERE DOING, UM, WITH JUST A NATIONWIDE PERMIT AND NOTIFICATION TO THE ARMY CORPS, LESS THAN 300 FEET. BUT ALSO ONCE YOU'VE TOUCHED THE WATER, THAT'S THE FINAL EQUATION. AND THEY ARE NOT, THEY ARE NOT TOUCHING THE WATER. THEY ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOVE THAT NORMAL POOL ELEVATION OF, OF WHERE THEY ARE, UH, STARTING THEIR GRADING AND MOVING IT BACK. YEAH. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE ON THE PICTURE, UH, IT'S NOT SO, UH, BASICALLY WE NEED TO GET PERMIT FROM THE CORE ARE US ARMY, UH, US CORPS OF ENGINEERS, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE 300 FEET AND ALL. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER CRITERIA THAT GIVE TO ME. UH, OKAY. I'LL, I'LL RESERVE MY QUESTION FOR THAT. SURE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ANDREW, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PIECE. OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO THE, UH, THE ZONING CONSIDERATIONS. SO, UM, AS PART OF THEIR PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING REQUEST, THE APPLICANT AND THEIR TEAM HAS PUT TOGETHER A CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, TO GO ALONG WITH THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, AND WE'VE MARKED IT UP TO SHOW THAT 70 TO 80% OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, THE AREA MARKED IN BLUE, UH, THE DARK BLUE AREA BEING THE FLOODWAY OR WHERE THE CREEK IS LOCATED. AND THEN, UM, THE, UH, BUILDING PAD LOCATED, UH, TO THE NORTH HERE, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OUTLINED HERE IN ORANGE. UM, SO I'LL MOVE ON TO THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO, UM, THESE, THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO, UM, THEY'RE LARGELY GOING TO ADHERE TO THE R 2000 M BASED ZONING. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE ONLY AREAS WHERE THEY'RE DEVIATING ARE THOSE THAT ARE ITALICIZED. SO, UM, THAT BEING THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING A, UM, THEY'RE A COMMITMENT TO, UM, A MINIMUM TWO ACRE LOT SIZE THAT WILL PREVENT THIS PROPERTY FROM EVER BEING SUBDIVIDED IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS. UM, AND THEN, UH, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE MAIN AREA THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING RELIEF ON IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. UH, TYPICALLY REQUIRED TO BE 30 FEET IN THE R 2000 M ZONING DISTRICT. UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING AS PART OF THEIR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, A 20 FOOT SETBACK. AND THIS IS JUST DUE TO THE, THE, THE LACK OF DEPTH THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE FLOODPLAIN. UM, TO MAKE UP FOR THAT, THEY'RE PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS THAT I WILL, UM, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH. UM, ONE OF THOSE BEING, UM, WITH PARKING, UM, THEY'RE TYP TYPICALLY ONLY REQUIRED TO DO TWO OFF STREET ENCLO PARKING SPACES. THEY'RE PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL COMMITMENT, UH, THAT THE GARAGE SPACES SHALL BE SWING OR SIDE ENTRY ONLY. UM, AND SO THAT WAY THE GARAGE DOORS DON'T FACE THE STREET. UM, MOVING ON TO, UH, ACCESS AND PARKING. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN HERE, UM, THEY'RE PROV THEY'RE PLANNING TO PROVIDE A CIRCULAR U-SHAPED DRIVEWAY WITH ONE POINT OF ENTRY IN ONE POINT OF ENTRY OUT, UM, THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THREE, UH, STACKED VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY AHEAD OF A VEHICLE GATE. [02:15:01] UM, AND THAT VEHICLE GATE. UM, BEYOND THAT, IT'S A VEHICLE MANEUVERING COURT WHERE THEY PLAN TO HAVE, UM, TWO, UH, ENCLOSED PARKING SPACES, UM, ON THE, THE RIGHT AND THEN ONE ENCLOSED PARKING SPACE ON THE LEFT. IN ADDITION, THEY'RE PLANNING TO HAVE A, UM, AN ACCESS DRIVEWAY TO ALLOW FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE AN AREA OF AUXILIARY PARKING, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HEARING. UM, THEY ARE GONNA CHANGE THIS PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY TO, UH, PAVERS. AND SO, UM, REDUCING THE AREA OF IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AS, UH, MOVING ON TO SOME OTHER DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS. SO, UM, THE EXISTING FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK THAT'S LOCATED ALONG POINT NORTH PARKWAY, UM, SHOWN IN PINK HERE, UH, WILL REMAIN. UM, AND THEY, UM, HAVE PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL, UM, PROVISION IN THE PD THAT THEY WILL REPAIR THAT AS NEEDED, UM, INCLUDING ANY AREAS WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY IN DISREPAIR OR AREAS THAT ARE DISRUPTED DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE REPAIRED. UM, IN ADDITION, UH, THE, UH, RETAINING WALL OF STONE GAB AND SPLIT FACE CMU OR TEXTURED CONCRETE IS SHOWN HERE. UM, SO THEY'VE PROVIDED THOSE MATERIALS TO ENSURE THAT, UM, WE HAVE A, A NICER QUALITY, UH, RETAINING WALL HERE. UM, IN ADDITION, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. UM, SO, UH, THEY'VE PROVIDED A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPE PLANTERS ALONG THE, UM, THE FRONT OF THE, THE HOUSE. AND SO THAT WILL HELP OFFSET THE REQUESTED, UM, DEVIATION TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, AS WELL AS, UM, PROVIDE, UH, UM, DRESSING UP AND ENHANCING THE FACADE. UM, IN ADDITION, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED DURING THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HEARING, UM, THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE, UM, SHRUBS AND ORNAMENTAL TREES ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. UM, AND SO THIS WILL, UM, HELP TO BETTER SCREEN THE DRIVEWAY AND HELP TO, UM, PROVIDE MORE GREEN SPACE, UM, TO OFFSET THE, THE LARGE AMOUNT OF PAVING AND ALSO JUST DRESS UP THE, UM, THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. FINALLY, MOVING ON TO, UM, FENCING AND SCREENING. UM, SO I ALREADY MENTIONED THE, UM, RETAINING WALL MATERIALS THEY'VE COMMITTED TO. IN ADDITION, UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING A, UM, FOR PORTIONS OF THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE TO HAVE A MASONRY WALL, UH, TO MATCH OR COMPLEMENT THE BUILDING. UM, THIS JUST COMPLIMENTS THE ARCHITECTURE, AND YOU'LL GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THAT WHEN I SHOW YOU THE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS. AND IT'S REALLY JUST A, A CONTINUANCE OF WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING WITH THE, UM, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, THEY'RE REQUESTING A, UM, A MAX HEIGHT OF 10 FEET. AND THIS IS MOSTLY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE 10 FEET IN ALL AREAS, IT'S JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE GRADE DIFFERENCES THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY. IN ADDITION, THEY ARE PROPOSING A SLIDING VEHICLE GATE, UM, THAT WILL BE LOCATED RIGHT HERE, UM, WHERE THE VEHICLE CORD IS. UM, AND THEN THE FENCING ON THE EAST PROPERTY LINE WILL BE A, A STANDARD, UH, SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE. HOWEVER, ALL OTHER FENCING ON THE PROPERTY SHALL BE AN OPEN STYLE DESIGN. UM, DECORATIVE METAL MINIMUM 50% TRANSPARENCY. UM, SIMILARLY, THE BALCONY SHALL ALSO HAVE 50% TRANSPARENCY, MAY BE DECORATIVE METAL, GLASS, OR PLEXIGLASS. AND THEN THESE ARE THE CONCEPT ELEVATIONS THAT THE, UM, ARCHITECT HAS PROVIDED. SO IT, THEY, UH, DEPICT A MODERN SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE WITH SOME PROJECTING ELEMENTS, UM, THAT, UM, RISE UP FROM THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS CLEAR STORY WINDOWS ALONG THE FRONT FACADE, AS WELL AS, UM, ABUNDANT WINDOWS ALONG THE BACK OF THE, THE RESIDENCE OVERLOOKING THE CREEK. UM, SOME OF THE PROJECTING ELEMENTS INCLUDE A OBSERVATION DECK, UM, AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, PATIOS, UM, ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND A MIX OF FLAT AND, UH, ROOF DESIGNS. UM, SO EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT AND THEIR PD IS, UM, IS SHOWING THE STANDARD 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT AREA, UH, THE FLOOR PLANS THAT THEY PROVIDED INDICATE A, UM, A STRUCTURE WITH 5,000, OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF AIR CONDITIONED SPACE, UM, AS WELL AS A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF GROUND SPACE. AND THEN THE, UM, THE PORCH AND OBSERVATION DECKERS AS, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THERE ARE ALSO, UH, INCLUDING A COMMITMENT TO MASONRY MATERIALS FOR THE FRONT FACADE OF THE FIRST STORY, UM, AS WELL AS HORIZONTAL VERTICAL ARTICULATION. UM, SO TO CONCLUDE, UM, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 18TH AND VOTED THREE TO TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE [02:20:01] REQUESTS, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE ZONED, UM, PD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE CONCEPT PLAN AND ELEVATIONS, UM, IS INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN, UM, AS RELATES TO CORRESPONDENCE, UH, THE CITY TO DATE HAS, UM, AT THE TIME IT PREPARED THIS PRESENTATION AT LEAST, UM, HAS RECEIVED, UH, THREE STATES STATEMENTS IN SUPPORT. UM, IN ADDITION, UH, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PACKET WITH 37 RESIDENT SIGNATURES IN SUPPORT. I ALSO RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL TWO, UM, JUST THIS EVENING. UM, WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED, UH, FORMALLY RECEIVED THROUGH OFFICIAL CITY CHANNELS 20 STATEMENTS IN OPPOSITION. IN ADDITION, UM, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS SUBMITTED A PRESENTATION SLIDE THAT INCLUDED, UM, 50 PLUS RESIDENTS THAT WERE LISTED IN OPPOSITION. UM, HOWEVER, UM, SOME OF THOSE WERE DUPLICATES AS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THAT 20 STATEMENTS IN OPPOSITION. UM, AND, UM, WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED THREE STATEMENTS THAT WERE, UH, NEUTRAL. UM, SO TO CONCLUDE, UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA BE CONSIDERING TWO ITEMS TONIGHT AFTER THE APPLICANT MAKES THEIR PRESENTATION AND AFTER WE CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, SO THE FIRST ITEM, UM, WILL BE FOR THE VARIANCE TO SECTION NINE DASH 42. UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURES OUTLINED IN SECTION 9 45 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THE COUNCIL MAY APPROVE THE REQUESTED VARIANCE, UM, AND THE ASSOCIATED RELU RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE REQUEST. AND THEN FOR THE ZONING CASE, CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE THE ZONING FILE AND THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST. SO THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. AND, UM, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ZONING PORTION OF THE, THE CASE. AND ANDREW, I I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE. UM, AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL OF THIS, BUT I DON'T SEE OF A PICTURE OR A, I GUESS, COMPARISON OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IF WE HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK VERSUS EVERYONE ELSE WITH A 30 FOOT SETBACK AS NEIGHBORS. SO HOW'S THAT GONNA LOOK? MOST OF OUR HOUSES ARE KIND OF IN LINE TOGETHER AND YOU DRIVE DOWN THE BLOCK. SO IS THAT GONNA BE AN EYESORE? IS THAT GONNA BE SOMETHING UNIQUELY DIFFERENT, THAT 10 FEET DIFFERENCE? SO I'LL FIRST POINT OUT THAT, UM, LET'S SEE, PROBABLY IF WE GO BACK TO THE AERIAL THAT PROBABLY BEST DEPICTS WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON SITE. SO, I'M SORRY WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL THESE SLIDES, BUT, UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO OTHER FRONT YARDS THAT ARE FACING, UH, POINT NORTH. SO THIS WILL BE THE ONLY RESIDENCE ON POINT NORTH AND THE HOUSE WILL BE LOCATED HERE. THERE'S, THERE'LL BE A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE FOR THIS HOMEOWNER AND THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE FOR THIS HOMEOWNER. UM, I KNOW THE APPLICANT I THINK, HAS PROVIDED PICTURES AND I THINK MAY HAVE INCLUDED THEM IN THEIR PRESENTATION. UM, THAT KIND OF DEPICT, UM, DEPICT THAT AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK. OKAY. UM, I, I THINK MY QUESTIONS, THE REST OF 'EM ARE FOR THE APPLICANT. I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. MR. BARRIOS, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? YES, YES, SIR. UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT MAYOR'S QUESTION WAS. SO ON THIS KIND OF EAST, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THAT EAST WHAT DIRECTION, BUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN MM-HMM . THERE IS A HOUSE THERE. THAT'S WHOSE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND THERE. THERE'S A HOUSE AND THAT OTHER PICTURE. MM-HMM . ARE THOSE THE SAME PICTURES? THERE'S SOME PICTURES IN HERE THAT KIND OF SHOW SOME OF THE HOUSES, UM, THAT WERE, AND OF, OH, WHERE WAS IT? CAN I, I THINK THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. WAS IT THE SAME HOUSE? IT'S THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION THAT'S, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. SORRY. UM, LAST QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU RECEIVED A PACKET FOUR THAT PEOPLE SUPPORTING IN OUR PACKET. WE ONLY SHOWED THREE. DO WE HAVE THOSE AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD OR WHAT'S UH, I DON'T KNOW. AMY, DID YOU HEAR I SENT THEM TO AMY. UM, BUT YEAH, WE, WE, WE RECEIVED THAT AND IT WAS BASICALLY KIND OF MORE OR LESS A PETITION THAT THE APPLICANT SENT AND THEY SENT IT OUT TO, UM, TO, TO FOLKS AND THE FOLKS RESPONDED AND THAT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF IT AND INCLUDED THEIR SIGNATURE, THEIR DIGITAL SIGNATURE. SURE. COUNCILMAN BARRY. LET, LET ME, UH, LET AMY, UH, SEARCH, UM, THAT FOR THAT, UH, EMAIL THAT ANDREW SENT HER, AND THEN WE WILL FORWARD IT TO EVERYBODY SO THAT YOU CAN VIEW THAT, UH, OR YOU, YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. WE'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. [02:25:10] GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. AND MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. UH, MY NAME IS DENNIS COLLINS. I'M REPRESENTING 10 25 POINT NORTH. UM, I ALSO WANNA THANK A, GIVE A BIG THANKS TO YOUR STAFF. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCES I'VE GONE THROUGH. UH, ONE OF THE MOST THOROUGH THINGS I'VE EVER GONE THROUGH. UM, I WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE TO WORK WITH MR. DAN TRACY, DEREK PETERS, ANDREW BDA, AND CHARLES GOFF. UH, MY SPEECH WAS ABOUT 10 PAGES LONG, BUT ANDREW'S PRESENTATION AND DAN TRACY'S QUESTIONS PRETTY MUCH NUKED, ALMOST ALL OF IT 'CAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY THOROUGH. SO I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT AT THIS POINT I HAVE BROUGHT WHAT WE CONSIDER OUR DREAM TEAM HERE THAT HELPED US PUT THIS TOGETHER. UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR EIGHT YEARS. UH, WE HAVE MR. RICHARD DERICKSON FROM RD FINE HOMES, HE'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE BUILD ITSELF. WE HAVE MR. SCOTT MERRICK OF LIMA ARCHITECT OUT OF RICHARDSON, UH, RICHARD DERICKSON, ALSO OUTTA RICHARDSON. THEY'RE BOTH RESIDENTS. AND I HAVE MR. THOMAS KARELL WITH CARDINAL ENGINEERING WHO'S GONNA ANSWER ALL YOUR ENGINEERING QUESTIONS. AND CARDINAL, I THINK Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM. THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY SPECIALIZE IN. UM, OUR GOAL FROM THIS, FROM DAY ONE WAS TO HAVE NO IMPACT. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE THINK IT HAS POSITIVE IMPACT, BUT WE HAD SOME MORE OTHER ENGINEERS INVOLVED IN THIS AS QUITE A BIG TEAM. UH, CARDINAL ENGINEERING, CITY OF RICHARDSON ENGINEERS, MCATEE ENGINEERING, FULL COST ENGINEERING, HENLEY AND JOHNSTON GEOTECHNICAL CONSULTANTS. FEMA OF COURSE, AND IES DID THE INTEGRATED ENVIRONMENTAL SOLUTIONS. WE THINK THIS HOUSE IS GONNA BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND TO THE NEIGHBORS. UH, WE HAVE LISTENED. ONE OF THE BIG PARTS OF THE DESIGN, THE TWO BIG ELEMENTS THAT, UH, WE CONCENTRATED ON IS WE REALLY LIKE FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, THOSE TYPE OF HOMES. UH, OUR WIFE AND I HAVE TOURED QUITE A FEW OF THEM. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE STYLE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH. AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE HOUSE, WE DESIGNED THAT TO WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY ACTING AS A SOUND WALL, NOT ONLY JUST FOR US AS THE RESIDENT, BUT FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT CORRIDOR. SO AS THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE, YOU'VE GOT POINT NORTH, YOU'VE GOT RENTER, YOU'VE GOT ONE 90. AND DART IS GONNA BE RUNNING RIGHT THERE 'CAUSE WE ARE THE FURTHEST POINT NORTH. AS FAR AS THE RESIDENCE GO, I, WE'RE GONNA ACT AS A SOUND WALL. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE WANT THE WALLS ON EITHER SIDE. IT'S GONNA HELP THAT CORRIDOR I THINK QUITE A BIT. AND AGAIN, WE BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THE CREEK, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE A NET ZERO. WE CURRENTLY LIVE IN MURPHY, TEXAS. UH, MY BACKGROUND A LITTLE BIT IS BORN AND RAISED IN RICHARDSON. I WENT TO PRAIRIE CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WENT TO NORTH JUNIOR HIGH, WENT TO JJ PIERCE, AND I GRADUATED FROM UTD. SO, UM, RICHARDSON ALL THE WAY. AND WE'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR EIGHT YEARS. WE CURRENTLY LIVE ON TWO ACRES THAT IS 100% LANDSCAPED AND KNOWN BY MOST PEOPLE IN MURPHY AS THE MOST WELL-MAINTAINED HOME IN MURPHY. WE ARE GONNA TAKE THAT OVER. WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THIS ENTIRE TWO ACRES AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. SO WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT FROM THE FRONT OR COME AROUND HOLE FOUR ON THE GREEN OR THE TEE BOX FIVE, IT WILL BE LANDSCAPED AND MAINTAINED YEAR ROUND TO LOOK LIKE THE GOLF COURSE, IF NOT BETTER. WE KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT. IT TAKES A LOT OF HORSEPOWER TO DO THAT. AND A LOT OF TIME MY WIFE LOVES IT. THAT'S ONE OF HER PASSIONS. IT WILL BE AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL SITE. SOME OF THE APPROVALS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHICH ARE LENGTHY, DIFFICULT, EXPENSIVE, TEDIOUS. SO FIRST OFF, WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE CITY AND GET THEM ON THE SAME PAGE. SO WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ENGINEERS, WHICH HAVE BEEN AMAZING TO WORK WITH, ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING DAYS AFTER YEARS OF WORK WAS GETTING THAT CERTIFIED LETTER FROM FEMA AND ACTUALLY HAVING THE CL MAR THAT'S ABOUT AS HIGH AS YOU CAN GET, DEFINITELY ABOVE ANY OTHER STUDY, UH, PROVING THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CORRECT. WE ALSO WENT ONE STEP FURTHER AND DID THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, WHICH WAS NOT REQUIRED, BUT WE DID IT. AND, UH, WE PASSED ALL THAT FLYING COLORS, OR THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED THE WOUS AND UH, WE HAD A FEELING THAT MIGHT BE COMING. SO BASICALLY, BUT MY POINT IS WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING AND PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD. WE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE CITY ON THIS REALLY HARD WITH ALL THESE ENGINEERING FIRMS. WE BELIEVE WE CROSSED ALL OUR T'S AND DOTTED ALL OUR I'S, AND WE DID THAT BEFORE IT WENT TO CPC. THERE WAS ABOUT 11 DIFFERENT CONDITIONS IT TOOK BEFORE TO GET IN FRONT OF THEM. AND THEN WE HAD TO PASS THROUGH THEM TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE MY ENGINEERS, MY TEAM IS TALKING ABOUT, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY. UH, [02:30:01] I THINK IT'S NOT ONLY IS THE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FACT THAT IT IS OWN RESIDENTIAL ALREADY, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A RESIDENCE ON IT. I THINK IT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. I THINK IT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTRY CLUB, ESPECIALLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTRY CLUB NOW AFTER THEY'VE INFUSED ABOUT $10 MILLION RECENTLY, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS THE MOST UNKEPT PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE COURSE, AND NOW IT'S GONNA LOOK CORRECT ON THE COURSE. THERE'S ROUGHLY FIVE TEAR DOWNS BEING BUILT ON THE COURSE RIGHT NOW. I THINK IF Y'ALL WILL APPROVE THIS, THAT YOU'LL BE EXTREMELY HAPPY AND WE HOPE THAT IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS OF RICHARDSON. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS, MS. JUSTICE? YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE REACH OUT THAT YOU'VE DONE. I, I SEE WE HAVE THIS PETITION. NOW FOR THOSE THAT YOU KNOW ARE IN OPPOSITION, UM, BOTH AT THE CPC AND HERE, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO TRY AND ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS? UH, UM, AND CHANGE THEM FROM OPPOSITION TO MUTUAL AND SUPPORT? SO THE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN, IN OPPOSITION THAT, THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO, FIRST OF ALL, WE DID HAVE A MEETING AND INVITED EVERYBODY WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE UNDERSTAND HAVE GOTTA VOTE WHETHER THEY'RE OPPOSED OR NOT. SO THE RULE THAT WE WERE TOLD WAS 20%, IF OVER 20% WERE OPPOSED, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO A SUPER MAJORITY IF LESS THAN 20% OF THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY OR NOT, IT JUST GOES INTO A SIMPLE MAJORITY. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. LAST I HEARD FROM ANDREW, THE RESULTS WERE IN THAT 93.52% OF THE PEOPLE THAT BOUNDARY THIS WITHIN 200 FEET ARE EITHER FOR IT OR NEUTRAL. SO OUT OF THE 200, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. AND ALSO I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION, THIS IS A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S TWO ACRES AND THERE ARE HOMES AROUND THERE. THE, THE HOUSES ARE WITHIN 15 TO 20 FEET OF EACH OTHER. THE CLOSEST HOME TO OUR HOUSE IS OVER 200 FEET AND A LOT OF THEM ARE AS MUCH AS 400 FEET. IT'S KIND OF AN OASIS. IT'S VERY UNUSUAL. SO GIVEN THOSE NUMBERS, THERE'S LESS THAN 7% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND THE, THAT PERIMETER THAT OPPOSED IT. OKAY. SO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE SEEING, THEY'RE OPPOSING IT AREN'T EVEN CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF. WILL YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME THOUGH? ARE YOU SAYING 100% OF THE PEOPLE IN THAT, THAT RADIUS RESPONDED AND THAT'S HOW IT PLAYED OUT? OR OF THE PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED? 93% WERE, UH, 93.52% EITHER WERE FOR IT OR WERE NEUTRAL OR DID NOT RESPOND. SO, SO THEY THEY DID NOT OPPOSE IT OR DID NOT RESPOND. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S OR DID NOT RESPOND. CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. SO, SO WE, SO, SO 6.48% OF PEOPLE WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER REGISTERED OPPOSITION. OKAY, SO EXTREMELY LOW NUMBER. WHAT, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL OPPOSITE, UH, IN FAVOR OR NEUTRAL THAT RESPONDED? UM, SO WE GOT ONE LETTER OF, UM, NEUTRALITY, UM, THAT WAS 4.3, I'M SORRY, 5.46%. THAT WAS NEUTRAL. AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS IN FAVOR, 4.12% PLUS THE APPLICANT, THEY, THEY GET TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT TOO. AND SO WE DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A FIGURE FOR THEM, BUT THEY HAVE A, A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT OVER 13%. OKAY. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY DIDN'T RESPOND IS RIGHT AT THE HEART OF MY QUESTION. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS AN OPEN HOUSE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR EFFORT TO, TO REACH OUT TO THE FOLKS? YES. WE DID A COMMUNITY OUTREACH. UM, THERE WAS, UH, WE LEARNED THAT THERE WAS TWO EMAILS IN THE AREA OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND THE FROM WE UNDERSTAND ARE MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RETENTION POND, THE DETENTION POND, AND THE SILT IN THE CREEK AND THE EROSION THAT'S GOING ON. SO WE GOT ALL THOSE ADDRESSES AND THERE'S ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WHO HAD ANOTHER SET OF ADDRESSES FOR THE LOCAL. WE PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND ADDED THOSE TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS IN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS, UM, AND INVITED THEM TO COME TO THE CANYON CREEK COUNTRY CLUB. WE HAD, YOU KNOW, DRINKS, COCKTAILS AND HAD OUR DRAWINGS AND WERE THERE TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS AND HAD ALL OUR PAPERWORK TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD THERE. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME? WELL, WE HAD, I, I BELIEVE WE HAD ALL THE PEOPLE ON CANYON CREEK SHOWED UP AND WE HAD ONE FROM HANNER SHOW UP. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE 200 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE PROPERTY ITSELF. SO PROBABLY IN TOTAL ABOUT 20. OKAY. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME, THERE'S THE CANYON CREEK STREET AND THEN THERE'S THE AU SHANTER AND THE VAST MAJORITY WERE, WERE FROM THE CANYON CREEK SIDE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. UM, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THOSE DYNAMICS. THANK YOU MAYOR PROTO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. [02:35:03] LET'S SEE, WHERE SHOULD I START? UH, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR, YOU KNOW, EROSION PROTECTION? UH, LIKE HAVE, HAVE YOUR ENGINEER LOOKED AT THE EROSION ISSUE FOR THAT AREA? UH, BEFORE I ASK YOU THAT QUESTION, LET ME ASK ONE THING TO CLARIFY MYSELF. THE CURRENTLY THE ZONING, WHAT'S THE ZONING FOR THIS LAND CURRENTLY? JUST REPEAT THAT. SOMEONE CAN REPEAT THAT. THE CURRENT ZONING IS R 2000 M RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS ONLY ALLOWING A COUNTRY CLUB USE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ONLY COUNTRY CLUB. OKAY. NOW WITH THAT, SO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT THAT 200 FEET RADIUS NOTIFICATION IS CITY REQUIRED FOR MANY REASONS. SO, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A WATER THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND THAT WATER IS THE WATER OF THE US, UH, THAT HAS, THAT TRIGGERS LOTS OF OTHER THINGS. THAT'S WHY FEMA DOES NOT REALLY LIMIT YOUR, THE FLOODING ISSUE WITHIN THE 200 FEET. THEY GO FARTHER FURTHER, EVEN SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE TWO MILES IF THERE IS A STRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO FLOOD, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RAISE THE WATER 10TH OF FEET, YOU KNOW, DOWNSTREAM OR UPSTREAM OR, ANYWAY. SO, SO IS YOUR CONCERN, UH, FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY, UH, ON THE WOOS THE WATER OF THE US? UH, NO, I'M, MY CONCERN, MY QUESTION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT STUCK WITH THAT 200 FEET RADIUS NOTIFICATION ONLY, UH, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE JUST ONE OR TWO HOUSES, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT FOUR PERSON LOOKS LIKE ONE HOUSE. UH, NOW MY QUESTION IS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT DOES NOT CAUSE ANY IMPACT ON THE EROSION OF THE CREEK. UM, 'CAUSE THE WAY I SEE THAT THE CREEK MEANDERS IT, TRY TO TAKE THE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT TRY TO ERODE WHERE IS THE MOST EASY LOOSE SOIL HAPPEN AND THEN OTHER SIDE, IF IT IS A ROCKY SOIL, THEN IT DOES NOT ERODE MUCH. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE WATER IS JUST MOVING MANING ALL THE TIME. CAN I BRING UP MR. THOMAS KARELL? HE IS OUR ENGINEER TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION. YES. YES. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO WHOEVER HAS LOOKED AT IT PROBABLY CAN ANSWER THAT. I MEAN, TO ME, YOU CAN DO LOTS OF THINGS, BUT SAME TIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU PROTECT EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, THOMAS CRELL, CARDINAL STRATEGIES, FLOOD PLAIN ENGINEER. UM, I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROOM. I, HOW HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE EROSION? YOU THE EROSION AND WHAT WAS THE SPECIFIC QUESTION? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE EROSION IN THE AREA THAT BECAUSE OF, UH, BECAUSE OF, NOT JUST FOR THE HOUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE CHANGING THE, THE, THE CHANGING THE CREEK SHAPE, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT CAUSE ANY, UH, CHANGING LIKE VELOCITIES AND OTHER THINGS IN THERE? YEAH, RIGHT. I, I THINK DAN HAD HAD SHOWN AN, UH, A CROSS CROSS SECTION EXAMPLE THAT WE, AND HE SPOKE TO IT BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW WE ARE FILLING IN THE OVERBANK WITH A RETAINING WALL. BUT IN TANDEM WITH THAT, WE ARE ALSO DOING SOME EXCAVATION BELOW THE TOE OF THE PROPOSED WALL. THERE IS A BALANCE THERE. AND SO WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO PRESERVE THE EROSION THAT IS OCCURRING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO NECESSARILY MAKE IT ANY, ANY BETTER. IT'S A REGIONAL PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE. AND SO, BY AND LARGE, MY STUDY SHOWED WHAT WE NEEDED TO SHOW TO MEET ALL OF THE CRITERIA OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AS WELL AS OF FEMA. AND, AND THAT DOES GO INTO, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EROSION, BUT IT'S EROSION RELATED. IT GOES INTO CHANNEL VELOCITIES. AND SO THAT IS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT AND WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING TO LOWER THOSE CHANNEL VELOCITIES MARGINALLY. OKAY. SO YOU ARE, YOU HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE EROSION ITSELF SEPARATELY, YOU JUST LOOKED AT HOW TO MANAGE THE WATER WELL, WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S EROSION OCCURRING IN THE STREAM. THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE PROPOSING A RETAINING WALL TO PROTECT THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE TOP OF THE, THE FILL FROM THAT EROSION. OF COURSE. RIGHT. YOU'RE PROTECTING, NOT NECESSARILY JUST PROTECTING THE PROPERTY ON THE DOUBLE THE HOUSE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD, YOU ARE ALSO, UH, RECLAIMING SOME OF THE LAND INSIDE THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING. SO WHEN YOU PUSH THE WALL, YOU ARE BASICALLY TECHNICALLY PUSHING THE CREEK AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY? NO, NOT AT ALL. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE CREEK. AGAIN, ALL OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN THE OVERBANK OF THE CHANNEL. WE ARE SPECIFICALLY AVOIDING THE CHANNEL FOR [02:40:01] PURPOSES THAT I'VE HEARD YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE 4 0 4 PERMITTING PURPOSES. MM-HMM . WE ARE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THAT. UM, WE HAVE IT DIALED IN TO WHERE WE ARE ONLY AFFECTING 250 LINEAR FEET OF THAT WATER OF THE US DELINEATION, UM, WHICH IS WELL BELOW THE 300 FOOT THRESHOLD THAT THE CORE REGULATES TO. YEAH. 300 FEET. AND ALSO IT'S, IT ALSO SPEAKS THE VOLUME. HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE VOLUME OF THE AB? ABSOLUTELY. AND AGAIN, THE, IN THAT SLIDE THAT, THAT DAN AND ANDREW HAD, IT, IT SHOWS THERE'S A IN PART FILL AND IN PART CUT. UM, THAT IS JUST A CROSS SECTION THAT'S JUST A REPRESENTATION AT ONE POINT IN THIS, IN THIS OVERALL MODEL. BUT WE HAVE, UM, THROUGH THE GRADING PLAN, AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT ENGINEER, MCATEE ENGINEERING HAS DONE A VOLUME BALANCE BETWEEN THE CUT AND THE FILL AND WE HAVE A PRESERVATION, IF NOTHING SHORT OF A SLIGHT GAIN IN VOLUME FOR THE FLOOD EVENT TO OCCUR. ARE YOU INCREASING THE VELOCITY? WE ARE INCREASING THE VELOCITY IN THE LEFT OVER BANK OF THE CHANNEL, WHICH IS ALONG OUR PROJECT SITE. IT IS BEING PROTECTED BY A WALL. WE ARE LOWERING THE CHANNEL VELOCITY THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT SITE AND LOWERING THE CHANNEL VELOCITY IN THE RIGHT OVERBANK, WHICH IS A BUDDING THE GOLF COURSE. SO WHAT KIND OF MODEL YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP, WHAT TYPE OF MODEL DID WE DEVELOP TO DETERMINE THIS? UH, WE USE A STANDARD, UM, PROGRAM CALLED HE RAZ. UM, IT'S, UH, FIRST ADOPTED BY FEMA. SO WE STARTED WITH THE FEMA EFFECTIVE MODEL. AND I KNOW I'LL JUST PREEMPTIVELY ANSWER POSSIBLY YOUR NEXT QUESTION. THE LIMITS OF THAT MODEL GO FROM THE PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CONFLUENCE WITH SPRING CREEK. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE LIMITS AT ALL. UM, WE, WHAT WE END UP DOING, OUR PROCESS IS TO TAKE BETTER INFORMATION THAN WHAT FEMA HAS USED TO MODEL THAT AREA. IN THIS CASE, IT'S TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY FROM 2024 WHEN WE STARTED THE ANALYSIS, UH, WE INCORPORATED THAT DATA INTO THE MODEL, UM, BY ADJUSTING SOME OF THE, UH, EFFECTIVE CROSS SECTIONS THAT FEMA HAD IN THEIR MODEL, AS WELL AS ADDING ADDITIONAL CROSS SECTIONS TO BETTER MODEL OUR SITE AND THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING. AND SO WE ADDED A FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT CROSS SECTIONS, UH, IN TOTAL TO THE, TO THE PROJECT, OR EXCUSE ME, TO THE OVERALL MODEL. UM, WITH THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT, WELL, HOW MUCH CAN WE RECLAIM WITHOUT CREATING ADVERSE IMPACTS? CERTAINLY OUR WALL IS FAR AWAY FROM THE CHANNEL ITSELF AND THE, AND THE, THE DEFINITION OF, OF WHERE THE CHANNEL BANK IS, IS ALSO FAR AWAY FROM WHERE THE WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES WAS DEFINED AS BY OUR INDEPENDENT ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTS. WE CAN TRY TO GET CLOSER, BUT THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO SEE ADVERSE IMPACTS TO NOT ONLY THE CHANNEL ITSELF ALONG OUR SITE, BUT ALSO AFFECTS FURTHER UPSTREAM. UM, AND SO IT, IT IS A BALANCE, IT IS AN ITERATION AND THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHERE THAT SWEET SPOT IS OF WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN PUSH THAT WALL FURTHER OUT AND RECLAIM AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITHOUT CREATING THOSE ADVERSE IMPACTS. SO WHAT TYPE OF WALL YOU HAVE ASSUMPTION? WELL, IN THE MODEL WE HAVE, UH, THE WALL LOCATED, RIGHT? AND SO WE KNOW WHERE THE, UH, THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL IS AND THE TOP ELEVATION OF THE WALL IS WE HAVE ASSUMED A, UH, MATERIAL TO BE, UM, UH, CONCRETE FACADE, A CONCRETE FACE THAT IS ROUGH IN NATURE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE SMOOTH LIKE THE INSIDE OF A CONCRETE PIPE. IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE ROUGH. SO WE HAVE THAT REFLECTED IN THE MODEL VIA THE MANNINGS IN VALUES, WHICH IS A VERY TECHNICAL TERM, BUT IT WILL JUST SUMMARIZE IT AS A ROUGHNESS COEFFICIENT. OKAY. SO, UH, WHAT KIND OF VELOCITY YOU HAD BEFORE AND WHAT ITY YOU, YOU ARE CREATING WITH THAT? WELL, WE DON'T CREATE THE VELOCITIES, JUST TO, TO BE CLEAR, UM, THE VELOCITIES RANGE OF, FROM THE POINT NORTH CROSSING TO DOWNSTREAM OF THE PROPERTY, ANYWHERE FROM FIVE OR SIX FEET PER SECOND ALL THE WAY UP TO SOME, I THINK THE COUPLE OF CROSS SECTIONS WERE SHOWING 10 FEET PER SECOND IN THE CHANNEL. ALRIGHT, NO DIFFERENT WITH OUR PROPOSED PROJECT. THANK YOU MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. ONE OF HIS QUESTIONS 'CAUSE YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT I DIDN'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASONING, SO SURE. I'M A NON-ENGINEER. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AND YOUR RESPONSE. ALRIGHT. YOU MENTIONED THAT IN ON THE BANK CLOSEST TO YOUR PROPERTY YOU ARE INCREASING THE VOLUME WHILE DECREASING THE VOLUME ON THE OPPOSITE BANK? NO. NO. OKAY. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT VOLUME AND HOW THAT CHANGES. WELL SWITCH OUT VOLUME FOR VELOCITY. VELOCITY, SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. VELOCITY. SO IF, IF YOU'RE THINKING VELOCITY, THEN THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WE ARE INCREASING IT ON THE LEFTOVER BANK. [02:45:01] SORRY, LET ME CLARIFY THAT LEFT AND RIGHT. IF YOU STAND IN THE CREEK AND YOU'RE LOOKING DOWNSTREAM, YOUR LEFT IS LEFT AND RIGHT IS RIGHT IN MY WORLD. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO THE PROPERTY PROPERTY IS ON THE LEFT BANK? THAT'S CORRECT. THE NORTH SIDE, THE LEFT SIDE, YES. OKAY. SO NORTH SIDE IS THE LEFT SIDE. UH, THE RIGHT SIDE IS WHERE YOU'RE DECREASING THE VELOCITY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IF THE LEFT SIDE INCREASES, HOW THE D HOW THE RIGHT SIDE DECREASES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, SURE I WOULD THINK THAT WATER FLOWS UNLESS A BARRIER STOPS IT. AGAIN, NON PHYSICISTS, NON-ENGINEER, BUT WATER KIND OF FLOWS UNLESS SOMETHING STOPS IT OR CHANGES IT. SO IF YOU'RE DECREASING INCREASING ON ONE SIDE, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO HOW DOES THAT FLIP ACROSS THE CREEK THAT'S A FEW FEET WIDE? SURE. THE CALCULATION OF THE WATER SURFACE ELEVATION IS ACTUALLY SHOWN TO BE DROPPING. IT'S, IT'S A MINOR DECREASE IN, IN, IN THE CALCULATED WATER SURFACE ELEVATION WITH OUR POST PROJECT CONDITION. SO WHEN YOU DECREASE YOUR WATER SURFACE ELEVATION, YOU'RE ALSO, IF NOTHING ELSE CHANGED, YOU WOULD BE DECREASING THE CONVEYANCE AREA. I THINK MAYOR PRO TIM, YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER TONIGHT THAT WAS CORRECT. IT'S THE CONTINUITY EQUATION. THE FLOW RATE IS ALWAYS GOING TO EQUAL THE VELOCITY TIMES THE AREA. RIGHT? WELL THE FLOW RATE'S NOT CHANGING IN THIS CONDITION. SO IF THE AREA GOES DOWN, THE VELOCITY GOES UP. OKAY. THE AREA'S GOING DOWN 'CAUSE WE'RE DECREASING THAT WATER SURFACE ELEVATION. SO THE VELOCITY HAS TO GO UP. NOW WE'VE DONE, WE'VE PAIRED THAT OTHER THINGS ARE CHANGING. WE ARE PROPOSING GRADE WORK, RIGHT? THAT'S THE CUT AND THAT'S THE FILL, RIGHT? SO IT CHANGES THE AREA ON THAT LEFTOVER BANK AT ANY GIVEN CROSS SECTION, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT COLLECTIVELY YOU'RE SEEING A VERY MARGINAL DECREASE IN WATER SURFACE ELEVATION. YOU'RE SEEING A VERY MARGINAL INCREASE IN VELOCITY ON THAT LEFTOVER BANK. WE'RE TALKING LESS THAN HALF A FOOT PER SECOND. IT'S WHOLLY CONTAINED ON MY APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. THE IMPACTS OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE COMPLETELY BACK TO NET ZERO CHANGES BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE POINT NORTH CROSSING. OKAY. QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE, IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE, BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT UP THE NOTIFICATION AND I WAS LOOKING AT NOTIFICATIONS. IS THE GOLF COURSE NOTIFIED AND WHAT WAS THE PIECE OF THAT? WHAT WAS YES, THE GOLF COURSE DOES GET NOTIFIED. THE, I DIDN'T SEE THEM LISTED UNLESS I DON'T RECOGNIZE YEAH, THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH GETS NOTIFIED AS WELL. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE LARGE CHUNKS OF THE NOTICE AREA AND WE DID NOT GET A RESPONSE FROM THE GOLF COURSE OR THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, I I LEMME I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. UM, YOU GO 40 YEARS WITH THIS PROPERTY JUST EXISTING, LIKE IT IS, IT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTRY CLUB AND THEN RISD BUYS IT THEN IN 2017. SO IT'S 40 YEARS YOU PURCHASED IT, YOU SIT ON IT FOR EIGHT YEARS. IS THAT I'M TRACKING YOU SIT ON IT FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THEN YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO BUILD ON IT AND THEN YOU STARTED CLEARING TREES BEFORE YOU GOT PERMISSION. IS THAT ACCURATE STATEMENT? LET'S GO BACK A LITTLE FURTHER IF I MAY. SO PLEASE, PLEASE DO BECAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, OKAY, YOU STARTED YOUR PROJECT BEFORE YOU HAD PERMISSION FROM THE CITY OR HAD A VARIANCE. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? NO, IT'S NOT. OKAY. THERE WERE SOME TREES REMOVED BEFORE WE PUT THE SST FENCE UP BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND I READ THE RULES OF THE CITY. THOSE WERE NOT SPECIES TREES. MOST OF 'EM ARE UNDER FOUR INCHES OR WERE DEAD. AND WHEN THE CITY NOTIFIED ME THAT I NEEDED TO MEASURE THE TREES, THEY CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT THE MOST OF THE DEAD FOLLOWS ON THE GROUND. AND WE DID DO A TREE PERMIT EVEN THOUGH UNDER MY IMPRESSION YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A TREE PERMIT ON A RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. BUT A LITTLE BACK HISTORY ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, AND I'M GOING TO NOT DO USE THE EXACT YEARS, BUT SOMEWHERE AROUND 62 ISH WHEN THE COUNTRY CLUB CAME IN, THAT LOT WAS 10 25, 10 35, AND 10 45 POINT NORTH SLATED TO BE THREE RESIDENTS. THE RISD HAD HOPED TO PUT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE. SO THE RISD GOT IT. THE LINES FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SPLIT UP LOOKOUT. SO THAT WAS NO LONGER I-R-I-S-D. SO IT SAT THERE FOREVER IN LIMBO. WHEN I FOUND IT, IT TOOK ME TWO YEARS TO CONVINCE THE RISD THAT THEY OWNED IT AND TO SELL IT TO ME. THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAD IT. AND GOING BACK TO THE 77 TO 87 COUNTRY CLUB THING, MY IMPRESSION THE RSD STILL OWNED IT. THE CLUTCHER CLUB HAD A 10 YEAR PERIOD AS TO WHETHER THEY WERE GONNA USE IT OR NOT. AND THAT EXPIRED IN 87. SO THE RSD STILL OWNED IT. SO I HAD TO BRING ALL THIS INFORMATION, WHICH TOOK TWO YEARS TOGETHER [02:50:01] AND PRESENTED IN FRONT OF RISD, WENT TO VOTE. IT WAS A VERY LONG, TEDIOUS TASK. THAT WAS TWO YEARS. BUT THE REASON WE BOUGHT IT IS WE WERE PLANNING ON ALWAYS THAT WAS WHERE WE'RE GONNA RETIRE. WE'RE NOW 60, WE'RE READY TO BUILD OUR RETIREMENT HOME AND WE'RE MOVING FROM MURPHY TO THERE. SO YES, WE, WE DID SIT ON IT. I'M ACTUALLY 10 YEARS IN THIS PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE OWNED IT FOR EIGHT. OKAY. WE RECEIVED, WHEN I SAY WE, THE COUNCIL AND STAFF PROBABLY GOT IT AS WELL. UM, AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT AND IN THIS THERE ARE VIDEO PICTURES OF THEIR YARD, THEIR TREES BEING JUST WIPED OUT BY THE FLOODING AND SO FORTH, SO ON. SO WERE YOUR TREES THERE THAT WERE ON YOUR YARD THAT YOU REMOVED, WERE THEY ALSO BEING DESTROYED AND WERE THEY FALLING OVER AND HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THE EROSION? IT WAS HARD TO TELL BECAUSE THE PROPERTY BASICALLY HAD BEEN UNKEPT SINCE LET'S SAY 62. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED CLEANING IT UP. THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONCRETE TELEPHONE POLES AND TRASH AND STUFF THAT HAD BEEN DUMPED ON IT OVER THE YEARS. SO WE HAULED OUT AND AS FAR AS 20 YARD DUMPS AND WE TOOK 'EM TO THE RICHARDSON CITY DUMP, WE HAVE ALMOST ALL THE RECEIPTS, PROBABLY A HUNDRED OF THOSE. ANOTHER THING THAT WE REALLY ACCOMPLISHED IN MY OPINION IS THAT WAS A MAJOR FIRE HAZARD OVER THERE. IF THAT HAD, 'CAUSE IT HAD NEVER BEEN CLEANED. UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE TREES WERE DEADFALL OR THEY WERE DOWN IN THERE. IT WAS CALLED THE FLOODS. BUT INITIALLY BEFORE I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, I HAD AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT DONE. THEY SAID, I SAID IT, IS THIS A DOABLE THING? AND MY GUY SAID, ABSOLUTELY, YOU'VE GOT A RETENTION POND, YOU'VE GOT A DE A DETENTION POND, WHICH IS A RESERVOIR THAT IS IN PLACE THERE TO, TO NOT LET FLOODED HAPPEN IN THAT AREA. SO I THINK AS FAR AS, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I WAS READY TO GO, SPENT THE TIME AND GOT IT BOUGHT. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE SAFEST CREEKS IN RICHARDSON AS FAR AS WHAT YOU HAVE UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM. 'CAUSE DOWNSTREAM YOU'VE GOT THE DAM ON THE GOLF COURSE. FOR THE MOST PART, THIS CREEK STAYS CONSTANT LEVEL. NOW IF THE RESERVOIR, I, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, IF THE RESERVOIR IS WORKING LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO, TO STOP THE FLOODING, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG, LONG TIME, IT DID USE TO PREVENT THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE'LL ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A SEAT AT THIS TIME. WE'LL, UM, MAY ASK YOU TO COME BACK UP IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. SO AT THIS TIME I'D CALL OKAY, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. MS. NEER? YES, MAYOR, WE HAVE SEVERAL. UM, SO I WILL CALL A COUPLE NAMES AT A TIME SO YOU CAN BE READY. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS BILL KOCH. THE SECOND ONE IS JULIA KOCH. UH, MAYOR, IF I COULD, UM, PLEASE, UH, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE TO, UH, TO TRY YOUR BEST TO SELECT A REPRESENTATIVE IF THERE IF TO, UH, TO, UM, COMMUNICATE IF THE COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE REPETITIVE, JUST IN, UH, THE INTEREST OF MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK IN A TIMELY WAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE. UM, MY NAME IS BILL KOCH. I LIVE AT 32 13 TAMO HANNER. UM, I'M ON THE CREEK JUST SIX DOORS DOWN, SO JUST BARELY OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, NOTIFIED AREA, BUT VERY CLOSE. UM, AND, AND WE STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THE FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND THE REZONING REQUEST. SO A FEW CRITICAL POINTS TO, UH, TO EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, FIRST JUST THE INTEGRITY OF THIS FLOODPLAIN. IT'S JUST CRITICAL TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A NATURAL BUFFER. IT'S, UM, DOING A LOT OF ABSORPTION, UM, TO TRY TO PREVENT DOWNSTREAM FLOODING. AND, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S BEEN EARLY ON, YOU KNOW, CUTTING TREES, CLEARING, GRADING THIS FLOODPLAIN AT A TIME WHEN WE'VE HAD SO MANY OTHER REALLY BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY THAT, UH, UM, ARE MAKING WATER FLOW FASTER AND, AND CAUSING REAL PROPERTY DAMAGE, UM, ALONG THE CREEK. SO APPROVING DEVELOPMENT HERE IS JUST ONLY GONNA MAKE MATTERS WORSE. UM, SECOND, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO CONSIDER, UH, THAT THE DATA BEING USED HERE IS SO OUTDATED. I MEAN, THIS WAS A 2018 FEMA STUDY, AND WE KNOW WHAT'S BEEN BUILT THERE IN THE YEARS SINCE IT'S MUCH MORE CONCRETE FROM, UM, MASSIVE UPSTREAM DEVELOPMENT, THE UTD CAMPUS, THIS HUGE TI UH, WATERLINE PROJECT, UM, AND THE LOSS OF KEY WATER ABSORPTION AREAS LIKE POINT NORTH PARK. SO THESE ARE ALL MAJOR CITY OF RICHARDSON APPROVED, UM, COMMITTED PROJECTS. AND SO, AND THEN THE WATER DETENTION POND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT JUST ISN'T WORKING, ISN'T FUNCTIONING. SO GIVEN THESE KNOWN CURRENT REAL CONDITIONS, UM, ANY CITY COUNCIL [02:55:01] DECISION OF THIS KIND, UH, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE IT WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE CURRENT REAL DATA, UM, AND ACTUAL CONDITIONS WOULD, WOULD REALLY BE RISKY AND ARGUABLY IRRESPONSIBLE. SO FINALLY, THE APPLICANT ACQUIRED, UM, A KNOWN FLOODPLAIN, UH, FOR A NOMINAL AMOUNT. UH, THERE'S NO UTILITIES, THERE'S NO SEWER ACCOMMODATION HERE. UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SEVERE DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS. AND SO IT REQUIRES LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF SPECIAL TREATMENT. UM, ONE OF THE BIG ONES IS SETBACK VARIANCES. UM, THOSE OF US IN CANYON CREEK HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY DENIED EVERY SETBACK REQUEST IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD AT ALL, PERIOD. AND THIS ONE'S WAY UP ON THE STREET. SO, YOU KNOW, AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD SAY PLEASE TREAT IT EQUALLY WITH THE, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. SO, JUST IN SUMMARY, UM, IT'S NEGATIVE COMMUNITY IMPACT. MORE THAN 50 NEIGHBORS HAVE PLEDGED IN OPPOSITION WITH SOME PERSONAL AND VERY SPECIFIC, UH, IMPACT TO THEM, TO THEIR HOMES. IT'S REALLY INCONSISTENT WITH RICHARDSON'S PLEDGE TO PROTECT TREES, TO PROTECT CREEKS, TO PROTECT FLOODPLAINS. IT'S A BIG PART OF WHO WE ARE IN RICHARDSON, AND IT WOULD REALLY BE A, A GROSS VIOLATION OF THAT. SO ALSO JUST BE UNFAIR TO RESIDENTS IF, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE HOUSE GETS, YOU KNOW, REALLY SPECIAL SETBACK RULES WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE CANNOT MAKE ANY EXPANSION, UH, TO THEIR PROPERTIES. SO THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AND, UH, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DECIDE NO ON, ON THE REQUEST. THANKS. THANK YOU, MS. EMER. UH, JULIA CO. KOCH, AND THEN JOHN SHARP AND LISA SHARP WILL BE NEXT. HI, I'M, UH, JULIA KOCH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. UM, I LIVE ALSO AT 32 13 TAMEL SHANNON, AND I'M HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE, THE, THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS CRITICAL FLOODPLAIN AS IT HAS NO BENEFIT TO THE CITY OR ITS RESIDENTS ONLY TO ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY OWNER AND AT GREAT COST TO OUR COMMUNITY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE ISSUES HERE. THE, AND THIS ONE PROJECT JUST ADDS TO AN EXISTING PROJECT, UH, PROBLEM. THE CITY HAS NOT ADDRESSED PRAIRIE CREEK AND ALL ITS ASSOCIATED. FLOODPLAINS AND HOMES HAVE BEEN UNDER TREMENDOUS STRESS WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND ABSORBENT SOIL COMPACTION THAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE AREA OVER THE LAST MANY YEARS. THIS ACTIVITY WILL ONLY INCREASE GIVEN TDS 2025 DEVELOPMENT, I'M SORRY, 2050 DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH I IMAGINE MOST OF YOU ALL HAVE SEEN. UM, WE PUT IT IN A PACKAGE THAT WAS EMAILED TO ALL OF THE, THE MAYOR AND ALL THE, ALL YOU CANCEL COUNCIL P PERSONS. UM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN PUT INTO THE RECORD, UM, THE, UM, THE CITY HAS ALSO LOST SEVERAL LONG-TERM EXPERIENCED ENGINEERS, WATER DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES TO RETIREMENT, AND THE STEWARDSHIP OF OUR WATERWAYS, OUR, AND OUR PROPERTIES ALONG THE CREEK HAVE SUFFERED GREATLY. SO MUCH SO THAT THE CLEARING AND THE GRING TO BEAR EARTH OF THIS FLOODPLAIN WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, A FLOODPLAIN WITH DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TREES THAT HELD THE BANK, DOZENS OF, DOZENS OF PLANTS THAT HELD THE BANK. AND YOU'VE SEEN THE VIDEOS, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WATER CAME THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW HOW THOSE TREES SLOWED THE WATER. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE. IN ADDITION TO ALL THE PAST AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLANNED FOR THIS AREA, WE HAVE A COMPLETELY NON-FUNCTIONING WATER DETENTION POND BEHIND THE HILTON GARDEN IN DECADES OF SILT DEPOSITION. AND NOW REFORESTATION MEANS THIS SPACE NO LONGER RETAINS THE WATERSHED COMING INTO OUR CREEK NORTH OF RENER ROAD. WE'VE HAD, I HAD CITY STAFF OUT THERE A COUPLE WEEKS OF, UH, AGO WITH ME, AND WE ALL WITNESS IT FIRSTHAND. IT'S COMPLETELY FILLED IN WITH SILT. UM, I'M THERE EVERY MONTH DOING, UH, MASTER NATURALIST, UM, WORK WITH THE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO MAINTAIN, UM, TEXAS NATIVE PRAIRIE PLANTS IN THAT AREA AND NATIVE, UH, TREES IN THAT AREA. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS SILT IS BUILDING UP IN THIS CREEK DOWNSTREAM FLOODPLAINS. WE'RE LOSING TREES. BANKS ARE ERODING FOUNDATIONS, DECKS, POOLS. THEY ARE MOVING NOW WITH THE CONDITIONS [03:00:01] WE HAVE TODAY, PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE MUST COME BEFORE A SINGLE INDIVIDUALLY, INDIVIDUAL, CREATIVELY DEVELOPING THIS CRITICAL FLOODPLAIN. AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. I LOVE IT. I'M, I, MY BACKGROUND'S IN ARCHITECTURE. I LOVE IT. HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. IT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. UM, WE HAVE SO MUCH STRESS ON OUR HOMES. THE CITY AND CITY'S GIAN WALL THAT PROTECTS THREE OF THE HOMES ON TAMA HAN HAS LEFT OUT. TWO OTHERS THAT ARE SUFFERING. THEIR DECKS ARE FALLING. THEIR CRE THEIR TREES ARE FALLING OFF THE BANK. UM, IN MY OURS, WE HAVE SILT DEPOSITION EVERY TIME IT RAINS INCHES AND INCHES. MANY OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE SEEN MY EMAILS WITH MY LITTLE MEASURING STICK IN THE SILT SHOWING HOW MANY INCHES I GOT OFF AFTER THAT BRAINSTORM. SO I, UM, URGE YOU TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES BY EXTENDING THE GABON WALL. I URGE YOU TO DREDGE THE DETENTION POND AND MAKE IT FUNCTION AS IT DID 30 YEARS AGO WHEN I COULD ROW MY BOAT ACROSS OF IT, ACROSS IT. I URGE YOU TO OPPOSE THIS ZONING CHANGE AND ACT IMMEDIATELY TO RESTORE THESE, UH, THE DETENTION POND AND PROTECT OUR HOMES AND OUR CREEK FROM FURTHER DETERIORATION. AND I AM TRULY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE A HARD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOHN AND LISA SHARP. AND THEN IT'LL BE JENNY LOUGHLIN AND R JONES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD TO WHAT JULIE AND HER HUSBAND HAVE SAID OTHER THAN WE'VE SEEN EROSION. WE LIVE AT 2313 CUSTER PLAZA, WHICH IS A CUL-DE-SAC THAT RIGHT, THAT LOOKS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE 11TH HOLE OF THE COUNTRY CLUB, THE CANDY CREEK COUNTRY CLUB. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. THEY DECIDE TO CLEAR CUT THAT, THAT THE, UH, ROUGH ON THE 11TH HOLE, AND THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA REPLANT IT WITH GRASS. WE SAW WHEN IT RAINED, AND IT RAINED PARTICULARLY HARD THAT YEAR, WE SAW A BUNCH OF RAIN AND DIRT COMING DOWN INTO THE CREEK AND JUST CONTINUE TO ERODE THE BANKS. WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT'S ACROSS THE BANK FROM US. THE, THE, THAT'S ABOUT A 20 FOOT BANK. AND HIS PROPERTY, HIS DRIVEWAY NOW IS ALMOST UNDERNEATH THE TOTAL OF, OF THAT ERODED BANK. AND SO EROSION IS VERY CRITICAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY, THEY COUNTED WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY STRIP CLEARED THE LAND ON THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EROSION TOOK PLACE, BUT IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN QUITE A BIT BECAUSE IT WAS CLEAR CUT. IT'S CLEAR CUT NOW. AND ANIMALS IN THAT AREA WITH THE CONSTRUCTION NORTH OF THERE, ANIMALS HAVE PUSHED SOUTH. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO LIVE. AND EVERY TIME WE CLEAR CUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE ANIMALS HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. WE'VE HAD ANIMALS. WE'VE HAD CLEAR CUTTING ON THE, ON THE, ON THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT LAURA MASCO WAS INVOLVED WITH. WE HAD, WE HAD PROBLEMS ON THAT SIDE. WE HAD PROBLEMS ON THIS SIDE, AND WE JUST GOT PROBLEMS. AND THE EROSION PROBLEM TO US IS VERY, VERY SERIOUS. AND WE DO NOT WANNA SEE THIS PROJECT DEVELOPED IF IT'S NOT DONE CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LISA SHARP. I SPOKE FOR HER AND ME. YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY. JENNY LAUGHLIN, JOAN, AND THE, THAT WOULD BE CHRISTINA. I DON'T HAVE A LAST NAME. HI, COUNSEL. I'M JENNY LAUGHLIN. I LIVE AT 8 0 4 FIRESTONE, AND, UH, I'VE WALKED MY DOGS PAST THIS PROPERTY FOR, UH, ABOUT 28 YEARS NOW. UM, I'VE WATCHED IT BECOME A PLACE THAT HAS LIKE BROKEN MY HEART SEEING THAT THE TREES COMING DOWN. UM, LAST YEAR I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO COUNCILMAN CHUM ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT HAD A BANK. AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT, WOULDN'T IT, WHY DID YOU QUIT THE GIAN WALL RIGHT THERE? WHY WOULDN'T, WHY WOULDN'T THE CITY HAVE BUILT THE GIAN WALL ON? HE SAID, BECAUSE SO OFTEN TREES, NATURAL TREES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE WERE HOLDING THAT MUCH BETTER. THE NATURAL, UH, VEGETATION AND ALL THAT WAS THERE WAS HOLDING BETTER THAN A GABBY AND WALL WOULD. SO WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I SAW. [03:05:01] IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I THINK TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO THAT IT FIRST STARTED BEING CUT DOWN AND JUST IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, JUST MY MENTALITY. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, AS WE'VE WATCHED IT JUST BECOME CLEARED, WHICH IS JUST, ANYWAY, UM, I'M IN OPPOSITION TO IT AS IT STANDS. UM, IF WE DON'T FIX SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE UPSTREAM OF IT, FIX SOME OF THE PLACES THAT HA THAT WILL BE IMPACTED DOWNSTREAM FROM IT. UM, THAT'S, I'M, I'M IN OPPOSITION AGAIN. LIKE JULIA, I THINK THE HOUSE LOOKS REALLY COOL. YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB. I'M ALSO A FAN OF, UH, OF FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT, BUT, UM, BUT I, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIME WITHOUT OTHER THINGS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. IN ADVANCE OF THAT, UM, I, HE, UH, THE GUY THAT WAS JUST RIGHT BEFORE ME, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW YOUR NAME, BUT, UM, MENTIONED THE WILDLIFE IN THERE. AND I, AND I WANNA, I WANNA BRING THAT UP TOO, THAT WE'VE WATCHED SO LONG, THE, YOU KNOW, HABITAT FOR SO MUCH WILDLIFE BEING TAKEN AWAY AND AWAY AND AWAY, I'VE SEEN COYOTES AND BOBCATS RUNNING DOWN INTO THAT SPACE AND WELL, WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT THERE NOW. THEY'RE, THEY GOT, THEY GOT MOVED, UM, AS THEY ARE SO OFTEN GETTING MOVED. SO THAT IMPACTS OUR LIFE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OUR, IT IT'S OUR WAY OF LIFE AND BEING IN, IN CANYON CREEK. UM, SO I ALSO AGREE THAT THE OUTDATED INFORMATION THAT CARDINAL STRATEGIES USE TO MODEL THE IMPACT STUDIES AND SUBMIT TO FEMA IS WOEFULLY OUTDATED GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS GR THIS AREA SINCE 2018 AND THE, AND PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT. SO I AM IN GREAT APPRECIATION TO ALL OF YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO, I KNOW YOU GO WAY BEYOND WHAT YOU HEAR HERE, UM, AND CONSIDERING ALL YOUR, UM, DECISIONS, AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL OPPOSE THIS AT THIS TIME UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. AND THANK YOU FREE SERVICE, R JONES, CHRISTINA, KELLY MCCARTHY, ALL THANK YOU, COUNSEL. UH, WE'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 25 YEARS NOW, SO I KNOW THIS, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY VERY WELL. WE'RE THE, REALLY, THE WALKERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I HAVE A DOG THAT REQUIRES A HUGE AMOUNT OF EXERCISE. AND SO WE CONSTANTLY GO BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THIS PROPERTY, AND I KNEW I'D DO THIS. I WROTE THIS LONG AND VERY CONCISE, UH, PRESENTATION. I'M GONNA BASICALLY SCRAP IT, BUT BECAUSE I JUST FEEL COMPELLED TO REALLY SHARE WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING HERE TODAY, I WILL HIT KIND OF THE MOST ESSENTIAL POINT OF WHAT I WAS GONNA PRESENT. AND THAT IS, THERE SEEMS TO BE CLEARLY AN UNBALANCED. AND, UM, WHAT WORD DID I USE DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF CITY STAFF TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD FAR BEYOND WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH ANY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLANNING PROCESS FAR BEYOND. I MEAN, THE PRESENTATION THAT TOOK TONS OF HOURS FROM MULTIPLE CITY OFFICES AND THE ATTENTION AND DEVOTION TO THIS PROJECT SEEMS QUITE HONESTLY, QUITE UNBALANCED AND QUITE LOPSIDED. SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT. UM, I WANNA MAKE JUST A QUICKLY OTHER CLOSING COMMENT AND THEN I WANT TO SHARE PERSONALLY, UH, I THINK THE PRECEDENT YOU WERE SETTING, UH, WITH THE TYPES OF INFLUENCE THAT DETERMINES CITY POLICY, UH, THESE ARE INFLUENCES THAT REALLY BRING DIVISIVENESS INTO A COMMUNITY. AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S STRONG DIVISION THAT'S COME INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THIS ONE SINGLE PROJECT. BUT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, I'M A FINE, FINE ARTIST. I'M REPRESENTED BY A VERY PROMINENT NEW YORK GALLERY. UH, MY PAINTINGS ARE IN MAJOR COLLECTIONS THROUGH MANY, MANY MAJOR COLLECTIONS. SO I'M A HUGE FAN OF THINGS THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL AESTHETICS. MY ART REALLY INFORMS THE PAINTINGS I DO REALLY INFORM, UH, SOCIAL ISSUES [03:10:01] AND ISSUES OF HUMANITY. AND SO I'M VERY MUCH, UH, IN FAVOR OF THINGS THAT BEAUTIFY OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR SETTING AND OUR SURROUNDING. BUT YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO, TO SHARE VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT A LARGE ART PROJECT COMING TO RICHARDSON. AND EACH ONE OF YOU SPOKE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT DOES IT FIT THE VALUES OF THE, THE SETTING IT'S GONNA BE BUILT IN. DOES IT, UH, SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY AND THE MEANING AND THE, AND THE, THE HEART OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND YOU ALL WERE EVEN COMPETITIVE WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT YOUR VIEWS AND HOW IMPORTANT THIS WAS TO YOU? WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A MONUMENT BEING PROPOSED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY IS TO SERVE THE INTEREST OF ONE INDIVIDUAL OR ONE FAMILY. IF YOU GUYS WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER A MONUMENT OF THE ARTIST, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE REALLY CONSIDERED IT VERY LONG. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS REALLY SOMEONE'S VISION FOR RICHARDSON BEING SUPERIMPOSED OVER WHAT THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY FEELS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO REALLY CONSIDER WHAT INFLUENCES YOU'RE ALLOWING TO REALLY DETERMINE THE POLICIES THAT YOU'RE ENACTING. I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY, I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CHRISTINA. CHRISTINA, HI, MY NAME'S CHRISTINA JONES. I LIVE AT 29 30 WHITE MARSH CIRCLE. I'M STANDING HERE AS A CONCERNED RESIDENT OF CANYON CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDING THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE OF A LARGE PRIVATE RESIDENCE ON A PARCEL LAND THAT IS NOT SUITED FOR CONS. FOR THIS SUCH, FOR THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, CANYON CREEK HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WELCOMING, CONNECTED COMMUNITY WHERE NEIGHBORS WAVE FROM THEIR YARDS, CHILDREN PLAY AND RIDE BIKES ON THE SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS, AND PEOPLE GENUINELY LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER. THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT YOU CALL FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT STYLE, WITH ITS IMPOSING SCALE, AND LITERALLY WALLS THREATEN THAT COHESION. IT DIVIDES RATHER THAN UNITES, IT REPLACES OPENNESS WITH EXCLUSION AND OFFERS NOTHING IN RETURN. IF THE CITY SUPPORTS THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, PRIORITIZING WEALTH OVER NEIGHBORHOOD VALUES, IT SENDS A CLEAR SIGNAL THAT AFFLUENCE CARRIES MORE WEIGHT THAN LONGSTANDING COMMUNITY FABRIC. ALLOWING THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD SET DANGEROUS PRECEDENTS, ONE WHERE INDIVIDUALS WITH ENOUGH MONEY CAN RESHAPE NEIGHBORHOODS TO SUIT PERSONAL PREFERENCE REGARDLESS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, INFRASTRUCTURE DEMANDS, OR COMMUNITY INPUT. ONCE THAT DOOR IS OPENED, IT'S HARD TO CLOSE. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE HOUSE, IT'S ABOUT HOW RICHARDSON CHOOSES TO GOVERN AND WHAT IT CHOOSES TO PROTECT. I URGE THE COUNSEL TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL OR DEMAND SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT TRULY REFLECT THE INTERESTS OF CANYON CREEK RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. KELLY MCCARTHY. BRAD FISHER, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M KELLY MCCARTHY. UM, MY FAMILY AND I LIVE AT 28 0 9 TMO SHANTER. WE'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS, MOVED TO CANYON CREEK, AS MANY OTHERS HAVE SAID, SMALL TOWN. UM, I GREW UP IN OKLAHOMA. THERE WAS SPACE THERE, THERE WAS LAND, THERE WAS WILDLIFE. UM, I HAVE MANY CONCERNS THAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED, SO I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT THEM, BUT I FEEL THAT THIS ZONING REQUEST SHOULD BE REJECTED AS ALL PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME BUILDING CODES AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. IN ADDITION, MY CHILDREN AND I HAVE WATCHED THE CREEK AT LOOKOUT BRIDGE. WE LIKE RANS, WE WALK ALL THE TIME, WE FISH, WE LOVE LOOKING AT THE TURTLES AT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS. UM, AND WE'VE SEEN IT TURN INTO AN UNHEALTHY MOSQUITO BIRDING SWAMP DURING THE LAST MANY SUMMERS DUE TO SILT, SILT, UH, DEPOSITION THAT STORMS AND EROSION HAVE BROUGHT TO OUR PRECIOUS WATERWAYS. JULIA'S KIND ENOUGH TO LET MY BOYS FISH IN HER BACKYARD USE THEIR CANOE. WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. WE CAN'T GET IT OUT INTO THE CREEK, AND THEY WEIGH ALL OF 50 POUNDS. UM, SO WE'VE WATCHED IN HORROR OVER THE LAST MANY YEARS AS THE APPLICANT SLOWLY STRIPPED THIS CRITICAL FLOOD PLAN AND WILDLIFE HABITAT TO BEAR EARTH. ULTIMATELY, IN THE END, WITH BLESSING AND APPROVAL PERMIT FROM THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, [03:15:01] UH, IT'S COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE MESSAGE THAT THE CITY TYPICALLY CONVEYS ABOUT THESE TYPES OF WILD CAPES. I GREATLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL SERVICE, UM, ON THE COUNCIL. I URGE YOU TO OPPOSE THIS REQUEST AND PROTECT OUR PROPERTIES, UH, THE CREEK AND RESTORE THE POND AT THE PRAIRIE CREEK MAR MARSH. THANK YOU, BRAD FISHER. HI, I AM BRAD FISHER. I LIVE AT, UH, 32 19 TAMO SHANTER. SO WE ARE, UH, THREE HOUSES SOUTH OF THE PROJECT WITHIN THE 200 FEET, UM, AREA. UM, AND, UM, JUST, THERE'S JUST TWO HOUSES BETWEEN US AND THE PROPERTY, UH, AT POINT NORTH. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH A PROPOSAL. UH, FOR EACH OF YOU, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO GIVE ME $700,000 TO INVEST ON YOUR BEHALF. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, THAT'S THE VALUE OF OUR HOUSE ON THE TAX ROLLS. UM, AND IF I DO THAT, I'M GONNA STUDY THE MARKET FROM 2018, AND I'M GONNA INVEST YOUR MONEY BASED ON WHAT MORNINGSTAR REPORTS SAY FROM 2018. AND IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, MAYBE I'LL BUY YOU SOME SEARS, MAYBE SOME BLOCKBUSTER, AND IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, THEN I'LL JUST GIVE YOU YOUR MONEY BACK. YOU HAVE NOTHING, NO UPSIDE AND DOWNSIDE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW MANY OF YOU THAT WELL, I'VE MET SOME OF YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THAT OFFER, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS, UH, APPLICATION IS ASKING ME TO DO. SO IT'S ASKING ME TO RISK THE VALUE OF OUR HOUSE, THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY FURTHER EROSION. SO WE'RE TAKING A STUDY FROM, FROM A, THAT BEGINS WITH A 2018 FEMA REPORT AND THEN BUILDS OFF OF THAT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES. SEARS IS BANKRUPT, BLOCKBUSTERS NO MORE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES TO 2018 THAT THE PREMISE IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS STUDY DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. AND SO WHAT THIS APPLICANT IS TELLING ME IS THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS STUDY STARTING WITH THE 2018 FEMA REPORT, AND IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, I SHOULD HAVE ZERO EFFECT, BUT I ONLY HAVE DOWNSIDE. THERE'S NO UPSIDE. I CAN'T TAKE THAT RISK. I'VE SENT YOU ALL, AND MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT TO OUR PROPERTY TO LOOK AT IT. UH, I NOTE DAN TRACY'S BEEN OUT THERE. I KNOW MICHAEL GROVES HAS BEEN OUT. I KNOW JOE CORCORAN'S BEEN OUT. UH, YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE EROSION THAT WE'RE HAVING. WE SIT AT THE SOUTH END, EXCUSE ME, I'VE GOT SOME OF THE POLLEN IN MY THROAT TOO TODAY. UM, WE SIT AT THE SOUTH END OF, UH, OF THE PROPERTY, TWO PROPERTIES BETWEEN US THAT BOTH HAVE THE GIAN WALL, THAT WATER NOW ROLLS OFF OF THE GIAN WALL, COMES DOWN AND ERODES OUR PROPERTY. NOW, THERE'S THREE HUGE EROSION EVENTS IN THE 21 MONTHS THAT WE'VE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE. WE'VE LIVED IN RICHARDSON FOR 27 YEARS, BUT 21 MONTHS IN THIS HOUSE. WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY MORE EROSION. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE A GAMBLE ON THIS STUDY WITHOUT PROTECTING OUR PROPERTIES FIRST. NOW, WHAT I HEARD THE ENGINEER SAY A WHILE AGO WAS THAT THE WATER FLOW ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE VELOCITY WAS GONNA INCREASE. WELL, THAT'S THE SIDE WHERE THE HOUSES ARE. AND SO IF THAT VELOCITY INCREASES, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW IT'S NOT GONNA DEVELOP MORE EROSION ON OUR SIDE OF THE CREEK. SO I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM. UM, I I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THE STUDY TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF FOUNDATION THAT'S GONNA BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY. THAT'S NO LONGER GONNA BE PERMEABLE SOIL. THAT'S GONNA CREATE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF. NOW, I'VE TALKED TO DR. JABBER FROM TEXAS A AND M, WAS OUT AT OUR HOUSE EARLIER AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY TOO. I BELIEVE HIS ESTIMATES WERE SOMETHING LIKE ON A, ON A CONCRETE SLAB LIKE THAT AND TAKING UP THAT KIND OF PERMEABLE SOIL THAT IT WAS GONNA BE ANOTHER 30,000 GALLONS A MINUTE OF RUNOFF IF IT'S AN INCH AN HOUR TYPE RAINFALL. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE STUDY TAKES THAT INTO ACCOUNT THAT'S GONNA INCREASE, UH, THE WATER FLOW AS WELL. SO, UM, AND THEN I KNOW THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PART OF THE EQUALIZATION IS GONNA BE THAT THE CREEK IS GONNA BE DUG OUT TO CREATE THIS ZERO EFFECT. BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THAT SILTS BACK IN? WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTINUING TO DIG THAT OUT? AND WHO'S GONNA MONITOR THAT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, EXCUSE ME, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO SEE WHEN IT IS SILTED IN OR WHEN IT NEEDS DUG BACK OUT? SO MAYBE DAY ONE, IT IS THE BEST CASE, ZERO EFFECT, BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, THREE MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR BEFORE ALL THAT STARTS SILING BACK IN THAT THEY DIG OUT AND, AND THE, AND THE PROBLEM WORSENS. MAYBE THE VELOCITY INCREASES. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. TO ME THIS IS, I I HAD THE HARDEST TIME, I GUESS AS MY KIDS WERE GROWING UP TRYING TO EXPLAIN ONCE AND NEEDS. TO ME, THIS WAS A WANT, [03:20:01] THE NEED TODAY IS TO PROTECT THE EXISTING HOUSES FROM EROSION. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT BEFORE WE TAKE THE GAMBLE AND, AND MESSING WITH A FLOODPLAIN MIGHT FURTHER DETERIORATE AND, AND EXASPERATE THAT EROSION. THANKS MANDY PATOK MAR AND MARYANNE FRALEY. HI, I'M MANDY PATHIC. I LIVE AT 8 1 9 FIRESTONE LANE. AS A 16 YEAR RESIDENT OF RICHARDSON IN THE CANNING CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING OF 10 25 POINT NORTH PARKWAY. THIS PROPERTY SITS AT A SENSITIVE AND SIGNIFICANT LOCATION WHERE THE CREEK INTERSECTS THE LARGEST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY. IT DOESN'T TAKE AN ENGINEER TO UNDERSTAND ALTERING A FLOODPLAIN OR BOTTLENECKING. THE CREEK'S FLOW CAN HAVE SERIOUS AND LITERAL DOWNSTREAM CONSEQUENCES. YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SCIENCE WHEN IT'S OUTDATED. MY FOREMOST CONCERN IS FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHOSE HOMES BACK UP TO THE CREEK AND WHO COULD BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY INCREASED FLOODING DURING MAJOR STORMS. WHILE MY OWN PROPERTY IS NOT ON THE CREEK, I'VE ALREADY WITNESSED THE DISRUPTION CAUSED SIMPLY BY CLEARING THE SURROUNDING LAND. THE WOODED AREA SERVED AS A NATURAL BUFFER AND THE HABITAT FOR NATIVE PREDATORS THAT HELPED CONTROL THE RODENT POPULATION. WITH THAT HABITAT DESTROYED, WE'RE NOW EXPERIENCING AN UNPRECEDENTED INCREASE IN RODENTS ALONG NEARBY STREETS. WHAT PART, UM, PART OF WHAT MAKES CANYON CREEK SO SPECIAL IS ITS INTEGRATION WITH THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE AREA POINT NORTH PARKWAY, UH, PARKWAY, A MAJOR ENTRYWAY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ONCE WELCOMED RESIDENTS AND VISITORS WITH VIEWS OF OPEN GREEN SPACE, THE PARK AND THE CREEK. FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, THAT ENTRANCE HAS LOOKED MORE LIKE A SCAR ON THE LANDSCAPE DISRUPTED BARREN AND UNINVITING. NOW WITH THIS PROPOSED REZONING, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ACCEPT SOMETHING EVEN MORE PERMANENT AND JARRING WALLS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD BETWEEN THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY AND THE TRAIN WALL, GIVING THE APPEARANCE OF A COMPOUND RATHER THAN A WELCOMING NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN POINT NORTH PARK WAS CARVED UP FOR THE WATERLINE PROJECT, RESIDENTS WERE TOLD A NEW GREEN SPACE WOULD BE CREATED TO REPLACE WHAT WE LOST. APPROVING THIS REZONING WOULD STRIP EVEN MORE GREEN SPACE FROM THE COMMUNITY, DISREGARDING THE VOICES OF MANY FOR THE BENEFIT OF A SINGLE LANDOWNER. THIS IS NOT THE FUTURE WE WANT FOR CANAAN CREEK. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WELCOME THE COLLINS FAMILY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON ONE OF THE MANY BEAUTIFUL ALREADY ESTABLISHED CREEKSIDE LOTS THAT ARE NOT A CRITICAL FLOODPLAIN. WE KNOW THE OWNERS OF 10 25 POINT NORTH HAVE PREVIOUSLY ATTEMPTED SELLING THE PROPERTY, WHICH SUGGESTS A WILLINGNESS TO FIND A DIFFERENT PATH FORWARD. A FAR BETTER SOLUTION WOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER PURCHASING THIS LAND AND TRANSFORMING IT INTO THE LONG PROMISED GREEN SPACE. PERHAPS EVEN DEVELOPING IT INTO A NATURAL PARK THAT SERVES THE, AND PRESERVES THE INTEGRITY OF THE LAND LIKE DISCOVERY POINT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING CAN BE DONE DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE. I ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM INTEREST OF THE BROADER COMMUNITY AND CHOOSE PRESERVATION OVER SHORTTERM DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, MS. ER, MARYANNE FRALEY. OKAY, WELL MARYANNE'S COMING UP. AUDIENCE, PLEASE REMEMBER REFRAME FROM APPLAUDING AND OR COMMENTING ON OUR SPEAKERS. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I WAS TOLD TO ONLY DO IT FOR TWO MINUTES, SO I HAD FIVE PAGES, WENT DOWN TO ONE. UM, THE, UH, I AM IN OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. I LOVE THE HOUSE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I APPRECIATE THAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T, BUT I, I JUST THINK THE, BUT PROPERTY IS TOO BIG, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANNA MAKE IT SMALLER, I MIGHT BE FINE. I JUST THINK IT'S TOO BIG FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. WHEN YOU WALK OVER THERE, YOU HAVE ENOUGH, ENOUGH, UH, PAD SITE FOR TOOLS SHED, AND THEN IT DROPS DOWN 29 FEET TO THE CREEK. AND I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA TERRACE IT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT A EIGHT FOOT WALL IS GONNA HOLD ANY OF THAT BACK. AND BELIEVE ME, I KNOW BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO GET 22 FOOT BEERS. THIS IS MY THIRD, [03:25:01] UM, REMODELING BECAUSE OF THE, UH, CONCRETE SLAB IS CRACKED AGAIN. AND THE, THE DRIVEWAY IS CRACKED BECAUSE IT'S SLOPING AWAY FROM MY HOUSE INTO THE NEXT GUY'S PROPERTY. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST AN ONGOING EROSION THING. AND, AND POOR BRAD WHO WAS UP HERE BEFORE, HE LOST TWO FEET OFF OF HIS BACKYARD IN THAT LAST RAINSTORM AND IT FELL DOWN AND CREATED MORE SEALED. AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST AN ONGOING THING, I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO DECIDE TO LIVE IN IT. BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT HIM. I DO WORRY ABOUT THE COLLINS BECAUSE THEY ARE GONNA HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS. AND, AND THEN WHAT'S HIS NAME? WHOSE HOUSE IS BEHIND? UH, DENNIS IS GONNA ALSO HAVE PROBLEMS. THERE'S LIKE FOUR HOUSES FROM THE EDGE OF, UM, UH, THE EDGE OF TAM BEHIND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S BEING BUILT. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT LOOKING HOUSE, BUT, UM, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 52 YEARS AND RENNER ROAD WAS CALICHE WHEN I MOVED THERE. SO, UM, I KNOW ABOUT THE FLOODING AND IT WAS HORRENDOUS. AND THEN THE CITY CAME IN AND BUILT THAT DETENTION POND AND UM, WHAT, WHAT IT DID WAS FOR 10 YEARS WE HAD FLOODING, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INTENSE FLOODING. IT, IT SORT OF LET IT OUT A LITTLE AT A TIME. BUT NOW THAT IT'S ALL SILTED OVER, IT WAS HORRIBLE IN THAT LAST RAINSTORM. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, JUST KIND OF GIVE UP. UH, BUT THEN YOU, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. UTD IS ONLY HALF DEVELOPED AND THEY, WHEN THEY BUILD, THEY BUILD, THEY OWN ALL OF THAT PROPERTY ON THE, ON THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF, UH, THE CREEK. SO, AND I KNOW THEIR INTENTION IS TO BUILD A HOTEL AND OFFICES AND APARTMENTS. I'VE, IF, IF WE HAVE ONE MORE APARTMENT IN THE CITY, I'M GONNA GO CRAZY. BUT, UM, THAT, THAT DETENTION POND REALLY DOES WORK. SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY THEY CAN AT LEAST CLEAN IT UP SO THAT WE DON'T GET THE VOLUME OF THE VELOCITY OF THE, OF THE FLOODING THAT DESTROYS, ESPECIALLY JULIA'S IN MY PROPERTY, EVERYTHING LANDS IN OURS BECAUSE WE'RE THE LOWEST THERE. THE GOLF COURSE STOPS AT JULIA'S HOUSE, THEN IT DROPS DOWN 20 FEET AT HER BEHIND HERS, 22 BEHIND MINE, AND THEN IT GOES BACK UP AGAIN WITH A CALICHE WALL THAT SUPPORTS THE REMAINING THREE HOUSES, WHICH ISN'T VERY MUCH THE CITY BACK THEN. I DON'T THINK THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 'CAUSE THIS IS BACK IN 68 AND THEY DEVELOPED ALL THESE PROPERTIES ON THE CREEKS, BUT THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT SETBACKS FROM THE CREEK LINE, NOT FROM THE FRONT, BUT FROM THE CREEK. AND THAT SHOULD, I MEAN RIGHT NOW, A LOT, A LOT OF CITIES ARE PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THAT. SO YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, BETWEEN UTD, THE APARTMENTS, THE GEORGE BUSH FREEWAY, UH, WHAT ELSE HAVE WE GOT THERE? OH, THE HOTEL, ALL OF THAT RUNOFF FROM THOSE LITTLE PIECES OCCURRED AFTER THE 10 YEARS GOING THAT THE, THE 10 YEARS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL BUILT THE DETENTION POND AND NOW, AND IT'S ERODED ALL OF THE DIRT, THE SILT, IT JUST CREATED A LOT OF SIL SILT IN THERE. UH, I'VE BEEN, LET'S SEE, SO I'M ASKING IF COUNCIL COULD DELAY DECISIONS UNTIL ALL DATA IS COLLECTED. THE WATER TOWER IS COMPLETE. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, I MEAN, THEY'LL BE BUILDING A HOUSE AT THE SAME TIME. THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IS FINISHING THE PRODUCT AND THEY'VE CREATED SO MUCH STUFF ALREADY. OKAY, I'M, I'M FINISHED. BUT I DO WANNA SAY ONE, ONE SENTENCE. THE CREEK IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND GIVES US SO MUCH ENJOYMENT TO LOTS OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY THAT COME THERE. AND IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON YOU TO AT LEAST CHECK INTO SOME OTHER THINGS. MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE FEMA RESULTS ARE FINISHED PROPERLY BECAUSE NOBODY BELIEVES IT RIGHT NOW. AND THAT, AND THAT'S BAD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE VERY TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITY UP THERE, BELIEVE ME, AS WELL AS PRAIRIE CREEK 'CAUSE IT'S ALL ONE TO US. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION. I DIDN'T MEAN FEE OVERTIME. I THOUGHT WE HAD FIVE MINUTES, BUT GUESS NOT. KYLE AND APRIL AL. OH [03:30:09] HEY SANDRA. I'LL BE SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND MY WIFE APRIL. SHE HAD TO STEP OUT. I'M NOT GONNA SAY EVERYTHING THAT WAS I WROTE DOWN BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I'LL HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT EXPAND UPON THAT AND SAY DIFFERENT THINGS. MY NAME IS KYLE TERRO. I LIVE AT 29 32 WHITE MARSH CIRCLE. TONIGHT I WANT SPEAK ABOUT THE GOOD OF AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS GRANTING AN EXCEPTION FOR A SINGLE SPECIAL INTEREST. THE PROPOSED REZONE OF 10 25 POINT NORTH PARKWAY BENEFITS ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO BUILD A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOME, BUT IT COMES AT THE REAL COST TO AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY. REZONING A GREEN NATURAL FLOODPLAIN INTO A PLOT WITH A CONCRETE WALL AND SMALLER THAN CODE SETBACK IS NOT A WIN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT THREATENS THE ECOLOGICAL BALANCE OF THE CREEK AND WILL MEANINGFULLY AFFECT WATER FLOW AND COULD COMPROMISE THE STABILITY OF THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTIES. IT ALSO REDUCES THE APPROPRIATELY ZONED GREEN SPACE. THE SELLER INFORMED US EARLIER OF THE GREAT SELF-SACRIFICING SERVICE HE WAS GOING TO DO FOR US BY BUILDING A BUFFER WALL TO SILENCE THE SILVER LINE. MOW. WE HAD THAT, WE HAD THAT WITH THE TREES THAT WERE THERE PREVIOUSLY THAT WERE TAKEN OUT EVEN BEFORE REZONING APPROVAL. THE DEVELOPER BEGAN CLEARING OUT ALL THE TREES, DISPLACING THE WILDLIFE AND DISRUPTING THE AREA. IF THIS WERE LAND WERE ALREADY ZONED FOR THE PROPOSAL, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT IT'S NOT. SOME MIGHT TRY TO PAINT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS UNWELCOMING UNWELCOMING AND THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE. WE WELCOME GROWTH, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NEW NEIGHBORS. WHAT WE DON'T SUPPORT ARE EXEMPTIONS THAT PUT ONE DEVELOPER'S INTEREST ABOVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND COMMUNITY STABILITY. THERE'S SOME PARTS HERE THAT I WON'T SAY 'CAUSE THEY WERE COVERED. UM, TO END, I'LL SAY TWO THINGS. TONIGHT'S ISSUE IS STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S ABOUT PRIORITIZING THE GOOD OF ONE PERSON ABOVE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE WERE SOME WORDS I HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT ABOUT BEING OBLIGATED TO LISTEN TO FEMA BEING OBLIGATED TO LISTEN TO THE SCIENCE. THOSE ARE STRONG WORDS. I AGREE. YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO THE SCIENCE, YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO FEMA IF IT WERE THE STUDY DONE IN A RECENT UM, AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO LOOK AT FEMA AND WHAT THEY SAY AND THE SCIENCE, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED AND YOU KNOW THIS, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE AN EXEMPTION TO THIS ONE PERSON WHEN OTHER PEOPLE, MYSELF INCLUDED, HAVE NOT BEEN GRANTED THE SAME EXEMPTION TO BUILD FURTHER UP ON THEIR PLOT OF LAND, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO VOTE. YES. THANK YOU JUSTIN N AND LANE CARDWELL. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. JUSTIN NTH 4 2 5 PLEASANT VALLEY LANE. THIS COUNSEL TYPICALLY STRIVES FOR OUTCOMES THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE AND I APPRECIATE THAT POLICY. IF WE CAN TAKE THE TIME TO TRY AND ACHIEVE A WIN-WIN, LET'S IDENTIFY THAT AND PURSUE IT. LET'S TAKE THE TIME TO GET THIS RIGHT IF WE CAN. HERE ARE THE FACTS AS I UNDERSTAND THEM. ONE EIGHT NEIGHBORS SHOWED UP AT THE MARCH 18TH CPC MEETING AND OPPOSED THIS REQUEST. THEY EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRENT EROSION CONDITIONS OF PRAIRIE CREEK AND HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL AFFECT THEIR PROPERTIES. TWO, THIS REQUEST ASKS TO RECHANNEL PRAIRIE CREEK. WE HAVE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE DATING BACK TO THE EIGHTIES FOR A REASON. WE PROHIBIT RECHANNELING OF CREEKS IN RICHARDSON. IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WE SHOULD ALSO PROTECT PROPERTIES DOWNSTREAM. THREE. THIS REQUEST INCLUDES A FRONT SETBACK REDUCTION OF 10 FEET. NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE GRANTED THAT EXCEPTION. AT THE MARCH 18TH CPC MEETING, THE APPLICANT PRESENTED THEIR PLANS. CLEARLY THE FRONT OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE IN SOME PARTS A 10 FOOT WALL AND DRIVEWAY WITH ONLY THREE FEET OF BUFFER SPACE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. THIS WILL GREATLY AFFECT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE HERE. FOUR RENTER TRAIL IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FRONT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A VITAL REGIONAL TRAIL SPACE THAT CONNECTS UNIVERSITY TRAIL AND SPRING CREEK TRAIL. WITH THE CURRENT WATERLINE CONSTRUCTION, PEDESTRIANS HAVE TO UTILIZE THE SIDEWALK THREE FEET IN FRONT OF THIS APPLICANT'S PLAN. 10 FOOT WALL. NOT TO MENTION THE ZONING FOR THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF TWO STORY APARTMENTS. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW GUARANTEED THE TRAIL SPACE ACROSS THE STREET IS. ANYWAY. FIVE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000 REGULATES THE ZONING OF 10 25 POINT NORTH PARKWAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT THAT EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT HAS ACCESS TO. THIS ZONING HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1977. IT READS, NO LAND SHALL BE USED AND NO BUILDINGS SHALL BE ERECTED FOR OR CONVERTED TO ANY USE OTHER THAN A COUNTRY CLUB. WITH ALL RESPECT, THAT IS DUE TO THE APPLICANT. A PROPERTY OWNER MUST UNDERSTAND THE ZONING RIGHTS THAT COME WITH THEIR PROPERTY. THIS IS RESTRICTIVE ZONING, BUT IF [03:35:01] YOU DRIVE BY THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE WHY MOST OF THE LAND IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SIX. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. WHILE THIS LAND USE PLAN ISN'T ZONING, IT DOES EXPRESS A CLEAR DESIRE OF THIS COMMUNITY. THE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS, OUR CPC AND THIS COUNCIL FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS LAND. WE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS PLAN AND GIVE IT OUR SEAL OF APPROVAL. SEVEN. THIS IS THE LAST POINT. AT THE MARCH 18TH CPC MEETING, ONLY FIVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WERE PRESENT. OF THOSE ONLY THREE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, THE CHAIRMAN HIMSELF WAS AGAINST RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THE CPC HAS NINE TOTAL MEMBERS. THREE MAY HAVE BEEN A MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT, BUT IT DOES NOT REPRESENT A MAJORITY OF THE CPC. IF OTHERS HAD BEEN PRESENT, THE RECOMMENDATION MAY VERY WELL HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. OF THOSE THREE THAT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, I DON'T RECALL HEARING A CLEAR JUSTIFICATION OF THE RECOMMENDATION. I INVITE YOU TO REVIEW THE MINUTES INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TO VERIFY THIS COUNSEL, IF WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO GET ON THE SAME SET OF FACTS, LET'S CONTINUE THIS CASE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WILL BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORS IN ALL OF RICHARDSON. BUT IF WE CAN'T GET THERE, A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE. I ASK YOU TO TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THE JUSTIFICATION AND IMPLICATION OF WHATEVER YOU DECIDE THIS EVENING AS THIS REQUEST EXISTS TODAY, I HOPE YOU'LL REVIEW THE FACTS AND DO ITS BEST. FOR RICHARDSON, I ASK YOU TO DENY ZONING FILE 25 0 5 AND THE ACCOMPANYING VARIANCE REQUEST. THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DELIBERATIONS THIS EVENING. LANE CARDWELL LANE CARDWELL 3,300 CANYON CREEK DRIVE, UH, NOT ON THE CREEK. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MY, UH, GREED AND SELF-INTEREST. I BELIEVE THAT THIS HOME IS DESIGNED WILL INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'LL OFFSET THE DIMINISHED VALUE THAT COMES FROM THE, UH, LARGE 15 FOOT SOUND WALL OF THE SILVER LINE. AND I THINK THAT THE HOME WILL BRING SOME, UH, DISTINCTION TO AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD. I DRIVE, I DRIVE BY A FAIRWAY DRIVE A LOT. I SEE THE NEW HOMES BEING BUILT AND I WONDER IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF OURSELVES FARTHER NORTH ON, UH, CANYON CREEK. A LOT OF GOLFERS WILL SEE THIS HOME. IT'LL BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE VISIBLE THINGS IN THE AREA. UH, WE BACK UP TO THE GOLF COURSE AND SEE PROBABLY ON A GOOD DAY, 50 TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE, UH, MAKING THEIR WAY DOWN TO, UM, THE FOURTH HOLE. FOURTH GREEN. BE VERY VISIBLE. WE HAVE A OLDER SON WHO BUILT HOMES FOR A DEVELOPER, UH, ON A COVE ON LAKE LOUISVILLE. AND HE SAID THE SITUATION REMINDS HIM OF WHAT HE ENCOUNTERED. WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF 40 AND 50-YEAR-OLD HOMES, IF YOU LIVE IN A HOME ON A WOODED LOT ON A LAKE, YOU'RE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A HOME ON A WOODED LOT ON A LAKE, YOU'RE A DEVELOPER. AND THE DISTINCTIONS ARE HARD TO OVERCOME. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS BUILT AGAIN, IT'S OUT OF GREED AND SELF-INTEREST ON, ON A NON CREEK SIDE. I LOOK DOWN THAT, UH, FAIRWAY AND I'LL HAVE A VERY CLEAR VIEW OF THE HOME AND I THINK IT WOULD SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WELL. IT'S A BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED HOME. I THINK IT WOULD, UH, HELP PROPERTY VALUES AT A TIME WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LIFT GOING ON. THANK YOU BLAKE TIMMONS, AL NICKS AND BEVERLY MCCORT. HI. I WANNA THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME UP HERE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT. UH, AND I'VE TALKED WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW I'M TRYING TO BE THE NEUTRAL GUY. BUT, UH, SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOTTA TAKE A STANCE. WHY AM I NEUTRAL? 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT STAY, HAVE A GOOD CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO STAND FOR, THEY WANT KEEP THE ENVIRONMENT GOOD. THEY WANT TO, I MEAN, THE GABON WALLS, THEY WANT TO, UH, BUILD THOSE UP FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. I WANT DO THAT. BUT I ALSO GOT, UH, DENNIS COLLINS WHO COMES IN HERE AND WANTS IS SUCH A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR. NOW HE WANTS TO COME IN HERE. THAT'S GOOD. COME ON IN. UM, HE'S GOT A AND I ALWAYS SAID IF A GUY'S GONNA DO THIS, AS LONG AS HE FOLLOWS ALL THE RULES [03:40:01] AND THEY'RE CO STATIC AND EVERYTHING'S UP AND UP, I'M GOOD WITH IT. I CAN'T SEE THAT HE'S CHANGING THE FLOOD PLAIN. I CAN'T SEE THAT ALL THESE OTHER PROBLEMS ARE HIS. WHY ARE WE, UH, TAXING DENNIS FOR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE? UM, WHAT HE'S DOING IS REALLY CONFINED TO WHAT HE'S DOING. I MEAN IT, THE THE RESERVOIR UP THE STREAM, THAT'S NOT ANY OF HIS DOING WITH HIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, WHAT'S GOING ON? WAY ON DOWN THE STREAM HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. THAT'S NOT, THAT WASN'T DENNIS. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN GOING ON. AND NOBODY, NOBODY'S PROBABLY WALKED THAT PROPERTY AS MUCH AS I HAVE. I MEAN, DENNIS IS, HE LIVES, HE HIS PROPERTY'S RIGHT BEHIND MINE WHERE I'M RIGHT TO THE SIDE OF HIM. AND, UH, NOBODY'S WALKED THAT PROPERTY PROBABLY AS MUCH AS I HAVE TRESPASSING. SORRY, I'M ON HERE. . I HAVE WALKED IT. AND UH, IT REALLY SHOCKED ME WHEN THEY GOT IT CLEARED OFF, HOW MUCH EROSION HAS HAPPENED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED. THERE'S A DRAINAGE THING THAT COMES BEHIND ME AND YOU CAN JUST SEE THE EROSION. YOU WANNA KNOW WHERE THE EROSION IS. GO LOOK AT WHERE THE WHITE, THAT WHITE LIMESTONE THAT'S STICKING OUT. THAT'S WHERE IT IS. IT'S NOT ON DENNIS'S PROPERTY, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. I'VE GOT IT RIGHT BEHIND ME. I CAN SEE IT ERODING. I PROBABLY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, I SEEN THREE FEET COME OFF OF THE BANK OF THAT THING. AND THAT'S BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED WORKING OVER THERE. THE OUTLET, AS IT FLOWS INTO THE CREEK, I USED TO BE ABLE TO WALK ACROSS THAT, DID IT IN MY HOUSE. SHOES. YOU CAN'T DO IT NOW. THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE FEET, I THINK ONCE DENNIS GETS IN THERE AND STARTS DEVELOPING AND STARTS BUILDING AND STARTS SEEING SOME OF THE, HE'S GONNA BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. HE'S GONNA BE ON OUR SIDE TO HELP PRESERVE THIS AREA. I, I JUST THINK LETTING DENNIS COME IN HERE, IT'S GONNA BE A WIN-WIN. IT'S, UH, I, I MEAN THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHEN THE NEXT FLOOD GOES THROUGH THERE AND IF THEY'RE LIVING DOWN THERE AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF TRASH, KIMBERLY'S GONNA HAVE JAMES OUT THERE CLEANING UP. IT'S NO, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO DOWN THE CREEK AND GETTING ON BY EVERYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW. TO ME, I LOOK AT THAT AND I THINK, WELL, YEAH, IT WAS A NICE NATURE PRESERVE BACK THERE. I'VE ENJOYED IT FOR 25 YEARS. HE CUT IT DOWN. OKAY, WELL THERE'S A FIRE TRAP THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. THAT'S GOOD. AND HE OPENED IT UP AND WHERE WE COULD SEE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE HAPPENING, UH, I THINK HE'S THE SOLUTION. I DON'T THINK HE'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU AL NICKS. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME'S AL NICKS. I LIVE IN 1908 LILAC COURT. I'VE BEEN A RI A CITY RICHARDSON RESIDENT, EXCUSE ME FOR, EXCUSE ME, FOR ABOUT, UH, 40 SOME ODD YEARS, 47 YEARS. AND, UH, AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL, I'VE WATCHED CANYON CREEK NOW FOR 30 YEARS. AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, IS THAT THE PETITIONER, MR. COLLINS HAS DONE HIS DUE DILIGENCE. HE'S GONE THROUGH, HE'S ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT CHANGE IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO HAPPEN. BUT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS CHANGING. I LOOK AT CANYON CREEK AND I LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF 1963. MY SISTER BUILT A HOUSE IN CANYON CREEK, SO I'VE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S TAKEN PLACE FOR 50, 60 SOME ODD YEARS. AT 78 YEARS OLD, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE IN RICHARDSON. CHANGE IS DIFFICULT, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE A PERSON THAT'S WILLING TO TAKE THE CHALLENGE TO TAKE A PIECE OF LAND THAT WE FIND NO VALUE IN SINCE 1962 AND TURN IT INTO AN ASSET FOR THE CITY NOW THEN NOTHING'S EVER GONNA BE PERFECT. PERFECTION IS NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WHAT'S BEING DONE IN CANYON CREEK HAS BEEN CHANGE. AND CHANGE BRINGS CHANGE. WE SEE WHAT'S THE REMODELS AND THE REBUILDS THAT ARE GOING SOUTH OF LOOKOUT. [03:45:01] I THINK WHEN MR. COLLINS COMPLETES HIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE A FLOOD OF NEW REMODELS AND REDEVELOPMENT ALL NORTH OF LOOKOUT. AND WHAT DO WE WANT IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON? WE WANT CONTINUED GROWTH. WE WANT MORE WILLING, ASSESSED VALUES BECAUSE THAT BRINGS IN TAX DOLLARS. SO I STAND IN SUPPORT OF WHAT MR. COLLINS IS TRYING TO DO. I ALSO HAVE EMPATHY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE CREEK THAT ARE SUFFERING THESE PROBLEMS. BUT THESE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS IN THE PAST, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY GONNA CONTINUE TO DO A ERODE SOME EROSION IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CITY CAN ADDRESS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST A CENTRAL PROBLEM TO THE CANYON CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A PROBLEM TO ANYONE THAT LIVES ON ANY TYPE OF FLOWING WATER. BUT, UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, IS THAT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN RICHARDSON THAT GREW UP HERE IN THE SIXTIES, THE SEVENTIES AND THE EIGHTIES, THEY'RE COMING HOME TO ROOST. AND WE NEED TO MAKE ROOM FOR THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME. WE NEED TO BE A WELCOMING COMMUNITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO HAVE TOLERANCE AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPERS TAKE RISK. AND THIS IS GONNA BE A PREMIER DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. IT'S GONNA BRING IN A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE REMODELING, MAYBE RAI RAISING THEIR PROPERTIES AND BUILDING NEW. BUT THAT REGENERATES US AS A COMMUNITY. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO YOUR THOUGHT, YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT DESERVES SUPPORT AND DESERVES YOUR SUPPORT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE LAST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS BEVERLY MCCOURT. MY NAME IS BEVERLY MCCORD. I LIVE AT 33 0 8 CANYON CREEK DRIVE. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 36 YEARS AND WE RAISED OUR FOUR CHILDREN THERE. OUR PROPERTY IS ON PRAIRIE CREEK AND DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM US IS THE PROPERTY AT 10 25 POINT NORTH. I'M HERE TODAY IN A NEUTRAL POSITION, BUT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF PROBLEMS THAT MY FAMILY HAS HAD WITH PRAIRIE CREEK FOR THE PAST 36 YEARS. WE MOVED IN IN 1988 AND THE CHILDREN SOON LOVED TO PLAY IN THE CREEK AND IT WAS A GREAT PLACE. AND AT THAT TIME IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT WAS A VERY SLOW AND SLEEPY CREEK. THE WATER WAS ONLY MAYBE ANKLE DEEP AT THIS PART OF THE CREEK UP TO KNEE NEHI. AND SOMETIMES IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT, THE CURRENT WAS SO SLOW, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ACTUALLY FLOWING UPSTREAM NORTH RATHER THAN DOWNSTREAM TO THE SOUTH. IN 1991, UM, MY KIDS WERE PLAYING AND THEY WANTED TO GO OUT TO THE CREEK AND PLAY THERE. THEY HAVE A FAVORITE SPOT. SO THEY DID, I CHECKED IT OUT. IT WAS THIS USUALLY SLEEPY SUMMERTIME SELF, AND I LET THEM PLAY. A LITTLE WHILE LATER, MY DAUGHTER CAME RUNNING INTO THE HOUSE SCREAMING, MOMMY, MOMMY MARKEY'S STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CREEK. AND I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH. I RUSHED OUT. WHAT DID I SEE? THE CREEK HAD TRIPLED IN WIDTH. THE WATER LEVEL HAD TRIPLED IN HEIGHT AND THERE WAS A RUSHING TORRENT DOWN THE CENTER OF THE CREEK. AND MY LITTLE FIVE-YEAR-OLD SON WAS CLINGING TO A TREE THAT NORMALLY IS ON THE BANK ACROSS FROM OUR PROPERTY, BUT WAS AT THIS TIME SURROUNDED BY FLOOD WATER. AND HE WAS IN THE CENTER OF IT. SO I GOT ONE OF MY OLDER SONS TO BRING A ROPE AND HE AND I MANAGED TO PULL MARKY OUT AND I PRAISED THE LORD THAT HE DIDN'T DROWN. BUT THAT WAS MY FIRST INTRODUCTION TO A FLASH FLOOD ON, UH, PRAIRIE CREEK. COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, WE HAD TO HIRE A COMPANY TO BUILD A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL OUT OF CONCRETE BAGS AROUND THE TREES ON OUR PROPERTY, ON [03:50:01] THE EDGE OF THE BANK THAT WERE BEING ERODED AWAY BY FLASH FLOODS. UM, AND THIS, THIS RETAINING WALL HAS WORKED WELL FOR OUR TREES AND WE HAVE NOT LOST THEM. COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER THAT, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON BUILT THE WATER RETENTION RESERVOIR. I THINK THAT WAS SOME 25 OR 30 YEARS AGO, AND THAT WORKED VERY, VERY WELL FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR SO. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATES. UM, VERY, VERY FEW FLASH FLOODS. IT WAS GREAT. I NOTICED, HOWEVER, IN THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS THAT FLOOD FLASH FLOODS ARE COMING BACK. CASE IN POINT IN THE YEAR 2020, I NEEDED TO FIND ONE OF THE PROPERTY SURVEY PINS TO OUR PROPERTY, WHICH HAPPENED TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK. AND I WENT OUT THERE, I FOUND I WADE INTO THE CREEK AND I FOUND IT. UM, I TIED A PINK BOW ON A TREE BRANCH THAT WAS HANGING ABOVE IT SO I COULD FIND THE PIN AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY HARD TO FIND. AND AT THAT TIME, THE PIN WAS ABOUT EIGHT INCHES ABOVE GROUND AND IT WAS SET BACK ABOUT THREE FEET FROM THE WATER'S EDGE. FAST FORWARD FOUR YEARS TO LAST SUMMER, I WENT OUT AGAIN TO SEE IF I COULD FIND IT. THIS TIME I SAW THE PINK BOW THAT I HAD TIED ON THE, THE TREE BRANCH, BUT I COULDN'T FIND THE PIN. AND THE REASON WAS IT WAS TOTALLY UNDERWATER. UM, I DUG AS DEEP AS I COULD WITHOUT GETTING MY FACE IN, BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT TO TOUCH IT. I CAME BACK LATER WITH A METAL DETECTOR AND IT DETECTED THAT PIN INSTANTLY, BUT IT'S SO DEEP IN THE WATER. I WOULD'VE NEEDED A DIVING MASK AND A SNORKEL TO GET DOWN THERE AND ACTUALLY FIND THE PIN. SO I WOULD SAY I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN THE WATER LEVEL RISE IN OUR CREEK, AND I REALLY THINK THE CULPRIT IS THE WATER RETENTION POND THAT HAS NOT BEEN DREDGED IN A LONG TIME. I VISITED LAST WEEK AND I WAS AMAZED AT HOW SILTED IN IT IS AND IT'S JUST FULL OF TREES AND SHRUBS, VERY LITTLE WATER. AND I WOULD URGE YOU PLEASE TO DREDGE OUT THAT POND AND, UM, TAKE WHATEVER OTHER MEASURES NECESSARY TO REGULATE THE RELEASE OF FLOOD WATERS SO THAT OUR DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES WILL NOT BE DAMAGED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER CARDS, MAYOR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DIDN'T FILL OUT A CARD? YES, SIR. PLEASE F COME FORWARD AND FILL OUT A CARD AFTER YOU SPEAK, PLEASE. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S DR. MICHAEL TODD MCGOWAN. I LIVE ALSO ON THE FOURTH HOLE, THE, UH, GOLF COURSE. UH, SO I AM ADJACENT TO THE COLLINS PROPERTY. I'M NOT WITHIN THE 200 FEET. UM, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE COLLINS AND THIS BUILD, UH, TEXAS STATE LAW. IF YOU LIVE UP AGAINST OR ADJACENT TO A NON NAVIGATABLE CREEK, AND I'M JUST GONNA QUOTE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WEBSITE AS WELL. IF YOUR PROPERTY HAS A CREEK OR WATERWAY ADJACENT TO IT OR FLOWING THROUGH IT, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE OF THAT AREA TO PRESERVE ITS DRAINAGE FUNCTION AND TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THE ENJOYMENT OF YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR NE NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY. THAT'S FROM COR DEBT.NET. I GOT A CHANCE TO MEET THE COLLINS. THEY CAME TO MY HOUSE, THEY INTRODUCED THEMSELVES. I WENT TO THE COUNTRY CLUB. I GOT TO MEET WITH THEIR BUILDERS. I GOT TO MEET WITH THEIR ARCHITECTS. I GOT TO SEE THE FEMA STUDY. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT THE COLLINS WILL FOLLOW WHAT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WEBSITE SAYS THAT THEIR RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THE CREEK. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT THAT OUR PROPERTIES WILL ACTUALLY GET BETTER, THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE, BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH THEIR ENGINEER AT CARDINAL, BASED ON MY CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE PEOPLE FROM THEIR TEAM AT THE COUNTRY CLUB, THAT THIS ACTUALLY IMPROVES OUR PROPERTY. THAT IT'S BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S BETTER FOR WHERE I LIVE, AGAIN, ON THE FOURTH HOLE OF THE COUNTRY CLUB. WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? HEY EVERYONE, THANK YOU, UH, FOR HAVING ME UP HERE. MY NAME'S PATRICK FRALEY, LIVE ON 32 15 TAMELA HANNER. UH, APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL'S SERVICE AND BEING HERE LATE ON A MONDAY NIGHT, UM, I I DON'T, AGAIN, HOLD NUMBER FOUR IS NOWHERE NEAR THE CREEK. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT. UM, SO I NO IDEA WHAT HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. UM, [03:55:01] UH, THAT, THAT JUST KIND OF THREW ME OFF GUARD HERE, UM, ON THE WEBSITE. YEAH. YEAH. UM, I WANT TO KIND OF GO INTO A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, HAS ANYBODY EVEN BEEN DOWN? I KNOW WE EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE THE RETENTION POND AND ALL THAT STUFF. HAS ANYBODY EVER SEEN OR BEEN DOWN TO JULIA'S PROPERTY? MY PROPERTY, WHEN IT'S FLOODED, WHEN THIS THING IS ROARING THROUGH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WALLS. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OPEN SPACE TO CONTAIN THIS THING. IT IS MASSIVE, MASSIVE FLOOD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VELOCITY. FIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S REALLY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND KIND OF ASKED THESE QUESTIONS BACK ABOUT VELOCITY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT VELOCITY OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VELOCITY OF THE, THE RIVER AND THE FLOW DOWN THROUGH EVERYBODY'S ELSE'S PROPERTY. YOU CREATED CHANNEL, OKAY? NOT A WIDE BASIN. WHEN YOU HAVE A WIDE BASIN, WATER FLOWS OUT LESS VELOCITY. YOU CHANNEL THAT BASIN, IT'S COMING, FLYING DOWN OUR PROPERTIES. IF THE CITY THEMSELVES IS WILLING TO PUT IN THE MONEY TO CARRY ON THESE GAPING WALLS, GIVE BACK WHAT JULIE AND BILL HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR WALLS, PUT IN SOME WALLS FOR US, THEN WE WERE HAVING A WHOLE DIFFERENT NOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THESE GUYS CAN GO IN, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, I DON'T CARE. BUT WHEN IT AFFECTS FRIENDS, FAMILY, NEIGHBORS, THEIR HOUSES ARE FALLING OFF THE CREEK. YOU, YOU HAVE ONE, ONE THING. YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHO YOUR RESIDENTS ARE. WHY DID YOU ALLOW, WHY DID THE CITY ALLOW TO BUILD ON TAM HANNER? IF, IF, IF THE CITY DEEMED IT GOOD AND THESE PROPERTIES, OKAY, WHY AREN'T WE TAKING CARE OF THEM? WHY AREN'T WE TAKING CARE OF THOSE PEOPLE BEFORE WE START GOING IN AND PUTTING NEW PROPERTIES IN THAT MIGHT CAUSE FURTHER DESTRUCTION THAT IN ITSELF. AND, AND LOOK, I'M ALL FOR, I'M ALL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, EVERYTHING. THIS IS NOT THE PROPERTY. HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE? I KNOW DAN HAS, HAS BEEN. I KNOW DON'S BEEN, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS PROPERTY. BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE, I KNOW JOE'S BEEN OUT. I LIKE, I KNOW SOME, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE REALLY BEEN OUT TO THIS PROPERTY? IF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY WALK THE PROPERTY, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR FRANK, FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT HOUSE, WHICH BY THE WAY, I LOVE, MY DAD WAS AN ARCHITECT DESIGNER. I GET IT. OKAY. AND I'M, I, I THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE REALLY NICE PEOPLE GO FIND A LOT ON CANYON CREEK. GO FIND A LOT ON FALL CREEK. GO FIND A LOT ON SOMETHING ELSE. BUILD YOUR FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT HOUSE, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE A WALL UP IN FRONT. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET TO REALLY ENJOY THIS FRANK LLOYD LIGHT HOUSE. JUST FOR THE RECORD. FINALLY, I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU THIS ONE, THIS ONE LITTLE TIDBIT. UH, IT'S KIND OF AN INTERACTIVE, IF YOU LOOK UP AND JUST SIMPLE GOOGLE. OKAY? HAS FEMA FEMA BEEN WRONG IN FLOODING? YES. FLOOD MATS HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR BEING INACCURATE, OUTDATED, FAILING TO REFLECT THE TRUE EXTENT OF FLOOD RISK. IF YOU KIND OF GO ON DOWN TO THE CONCLUSION. IN CONCLUSION, WHILE FEMA'S ROLE INTO DISASTER RELIEF IS CRUCIAL, ITS FLOOD MAPS HAVE PROVEN TO BE THE SOURCE OF CONTENTION, INACCURACY LEADING TO A NEED FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THE AGENCY'S MAPPING AND RISK ASSESSMENT PROCESS RIGHT THERE. I KNOW GOOGLE'S NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT I'M PRETTY DAMN SURE THAT THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY CORRECT. 'CAUSE IF NOT, IF NOT, LOOK AT ALL THESE OTHER FLOODINGS WE JUST HAD IN NORTH CAROLINA. WE HAVE C KATRINA. SOMEBODY WAS WRONG. OKAY? AND I DON'T WANT TO BE, IF YOU GUYS ARE WRONG OR IN ANY WAY, SOMEBODY'S WRONG IN THIS MATTER. THEIR HOUSES ARE DOWN IN THE CREEK. OUR HOUSE IS NOW SLIDING IN THE CREEK. ALL THESE THINGS, UNLESS YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO BUILD WALLS FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS IN RICHARDSON THAT'S ON A CREEK, WE CAN'T STAND TO TAKE THAT CHANCE FOR OTHER OTHER IMPACTS BASED OFF WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO. AND I KNOW HE HAS GREAT ENGINEERS AND STUFF THAT ARE BEING PROBABLY PROPERLY PAID FOR THAT, THAT DIAGNOSIS AS WELL. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THE EFFECTS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN DOWN THE CREEK ONCE THIS BIG WALL IS BUILT. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, WITHOUT THAT WATER FLOODING OUT, IT'S GONNA ROCKET DOWN OUR, OUR CREEK. AND IF I, I ACTUALLY WILL NEXT FLOOD, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS PUT YOUR WADERS ON AND COME ON OVER TO THE HOUSE AND STAND IN THIS FLOOD ZONE AND SEE WHAT REALLY THE EFFECTS ARE OF IT. OKAY? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU. I THINK THERE WAS ONE MORE. IS THAT CORRECT? [04:00:06] HELLO? GOOD EVENING, THIS. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS RUSSELL FISHER. I LIVE AT 1102 TIMBER VIEW LANE. THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT IS MY HOUSE BACKS UP AND MY BACK OF MY HOUSE AND MY DRIVEWAY IS ON POINT NORTH ITSELF. THERE ARE NO HOUSES ON POINT NORTH FACING THAT STREET, SO THERE IS NO VARIANCE TO BE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. EVERYTHING ELSE IS FENCE LINE AGAINST THE SIDEWALK. UM, MINE IS PROBABLY 15 FEET FROM THE ROAD ITSELF. SO THE VARIANCE ITSELF THERE IS NONE. THERE'S NOTHING TO COMPARE TO NEXT TO IT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OTHER HOUSES FACING POINT NORTH ITSELF. UM, I SUPPORT THIS IN THE SENSE THAT I THINK IT IS GREAT FOR THE VALUE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, LIKE MR. NICKS, IT'S MENTIONED. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED SOUTH OF LOOKOUT. THINGS ARE GRADUALLY COMING NORTH. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA PROPEL AND BUILD BIGGER HOMES AND MORE VALUE FOR CANYON CREEK, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OUT LOOKOUT ITSELF. UM, BUT OVERALL, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT ITSELF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOT ONE MORE, MS. NEER. MY NAME IS, UH, MICHAEL LEVY. I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF STANDING BEFORE YOU IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES. SOME 10 YEARS AGO I SAID TO YOU THEN, AS I DO NOW, RICHARDSON IS A FANTASTIC PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE AMAZING THINGS YOU DO TO KEEP THE SERVICES FANTASTIC. AND I'LL CALL SOMEBODY IF THEY DON'T PICK UP THE TREES FROM THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING. I USED TO LIVE WITH THIS WONDERFUL GROUP OF PEOPLE ON SHANTER FOR MANY YEARS. I MOVED TO FALL CREEK. FALL CREEK HAS MANY WONDERFUL BIG HOMES. YOUR HOUSE WOULD BE PERFECT THERE. I CAN SHOW YOU SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WHEN I HAD LITTLE CHILDREN, I WOULD WALK FROM THE BACK OF SHANTER DOWN TOWARDS JULIA'S HOUSE ONTO THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND WONDERED, OH, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT HOUSE. IT'S GOT A CREEK IN FRONT OF IT. AND THEN WHEN I ACTUALLY GOT ONTO THE PROPERTY, I REALIZED, OH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR A HOUSE HERE. YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BUILD A HOUSE HERE. AND NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU CUT THIS THING, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY CONSIDERING IS WE NEED TO REMODEL THIS LARGE BLOCK OF LAND IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOUSE. IN FACT, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A 200 FOOT RETAINING WALL TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE. SO YOUR DECISION WILL BE WHETHER YOU WANT TO ALLOW FOR THE MODIFICATIONS OF THE NATURAL FLOW AND LANDSCAPE TO ALLOW AND ACCOMMODATE A HOUSE TO BE BUILT HERE. AND IF THAT'S OKAY, I'M SURE IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, RATHER BIG FOR THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IT CAN BE DONE. YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW FOR THAT KIND OF MODIFICATION. HAVING LIVED ON FALL CREEK, I'VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF SEEING THE SPEED OF THE FLOOD AND JUST HOW MASSIVELY POWERFUL THE WATER IS ENOUGH TO SWEEP ALL THE WAY OUR FURNITURE. YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT ON MY PROPERTY THERE IS A WATER LINE RUNNING OVER THE CREEK, RIGHT? IT OVER JUMPED DURING THE MAY, 2021, THE, UH, IT JUMPED OVER THAT WATERLINE, MEANING YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY RISK WITH GREATER WATER VOL, VOL VOLUME, UPSTREAM DAMAGE TO DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES BECAUSE YOU ARE INCREASING THE AMOUNT AND SPEED OF THE WATER. AND IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU SEE THE FLOW AND THE SPEED OF THE POWER, DO YOU REALIZE THE WATER'S GONNA GO WHEREVER IT WANTS TO GO. IF YOU PUT A RETAINING WALL, IT'S JUST GOING TO PUSH THAT POWER AGAINST SOMETHING ELSE. YOU'LL HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS, BUT THAT WATER IS GONNA FLOW. SO I WISH YOU WELL MAKING THAT DIFFICULT DECISION. AND I FEEL FOR THE FAMILY, 'CAUSE I APPRECIATE THAT THEY WANNA BUILD A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE THERE, BUT IT WILL BE A TOUGH CALL FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. OKAY. BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. HUTCHIN RIDER MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. GOT A MOTION. MR. SHA SHUL? I SECONDED. GOT A MOTION? A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS, PLEASE. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMENTS, MR. CORCORAN? HEY. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I WANTED TO, TO START BY ADDRESSING JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. I MEAN, ONE, I JUST WANTED TO DEFEND OUR CITY STAFF THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, JUST 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT FROM THE FIRST TIME. ONE OF THOSE TREES WAS CUT DOWN AND I GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT IT UP TO THIS POINT. UM, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THEY'VE, [04:05:01] THEY'VE DONE, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THIS APPLICANT, WHAT THEY WOULD DO FOR ANY APPLICANT, FOR ANY ZONING CASE. AND SO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY GAVE TO MR. COLLINS IS NOT NECESSARILY DISPROPORTIONATE. UM, I JUST WANNA START BY MM-HMM . BY SAYING THAT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO, GOING INTO THE ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT WERE MADE. I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ON BOTH SIDES. AND SO IN A WAY WE ALMOST SAW THE WHOLE DEBATE UNFOLD BEFORE US THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD HERE. RIGHT? UM, BUT HONESTLY, JUST TAKING EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION AND GOING ONTO, UM, MR. FISHER'S PROPERTY. I MEAN, AND SEEING HOW, HOW THE WATERS HAVE TAKEN CHUNKS OUT OF THAT PROPERTY OVER TIME. AND BY THE WAY, THESE ARE PICTURES THAT WE WERE ALL EMAILED BY HIM. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT I ONLY, YOU KNOW, GOT TO LOOK AT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, I MEAN, THAT REALLY SWAYED ME IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THE OTHER ARGUMENT THAT HAS REALLY KIND OF SWAYED ME TO VOTE NO IS THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PARCELS UP THE CREEK THAT HAVE YET TO BE DEVELOPED OR CURRENTLY HAVE ACTIVE ZONING CASES ON THEM, EITHER, UH, IN PLANO OR, OR THE UTD PROPERTY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, IT, IT'S NOT AN EASY CASE. AND CERTAINLY THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CASES WHERE LOTS OF RESIDENTS HAVE COME UP AND I FELT VERY STRONGLY IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM THOSE RESIDENTS. BUT THIS, THIS TIME IT'S, IT'S TOUGH WITH THE ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES. BUT BASED ON EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, I'M LEANING, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. MR. CHU, THE VARIANCE, UH, I'M SORRY. DID I CUT YOU OFF? NO, YOU'RE GOOD, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, MR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS, DEFINITELY THAT CHANGE ARE CREEK THE DRAINAGE PATTERN. UH, AND IT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLACES THAT WE HAVE SOME CONTROL. THERE ARE PLACES WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL, UH, BUT HOW WE DO THINGS, WE MANAGE THINGS, UH, THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY. THAT'S WHAT REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US, THAT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO DO OUR, YOU KNOW, BEST TO MANAGE THE SITUATION. SOMETIMES WE DO GOOD JOB, SOMETIMES WE DON'T. UH, THAT'S OUR HUMAN NATURE. BUT INTENTION IS ALWAYS GREAT. UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENED UPSTREAM CITY HAS ZERO SAY ABOUT THOSE. SO THAT DEFINITELY INCREASED THE FLOW OVER THE YEARS. AND, UM, AND THAT HAS REACHED TO A TIPPING POINT. SO SOMETIMES YOU ARE PUTTING SO MUCH WEIGHT ON ONE SIDE, NOTHING REALLY CHANGED, BUT THEN LITTLE CHANGE FALLS EVERYTHING DOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A VERY TYPICAL PROJECT THAT I DEAL WITH MANY, MANY YEARS OVER THE YEARS THAT I HAVE DONE SO MANY, UH, GIAN WALLS DESIGN CONSTRUCTED. I FEEL REALLY GREAT SOMETIMES, BUT WHENEVER YOU BUILD SOMETHING ON ONE SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE WILL HAVE IMPACT NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF STUDY YOU DO. UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER STUDY THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO COME TO A CONCLUSION. SCIENCE IS GOOD. I'M, I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT SCIENCE, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SCIENCE, HOW TO USE THAT. IT'S MULTIPLE FACTOR THERE. SO IF YOU JUST ONE SCIENCE PICK UP ONE STUDY AND IGNORE THE OTHER STUDY, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESULTS, THEN WE END UP BLAMING THE SCIENCE. THAT SCIENCE DID NOT DO GOOD JOB BECAUSE IT'S NOT SCIENCE, IT'S US NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SCIENCE PROPERLY. UH, SO WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PROPERTY, YOU COULD BUILD DIFFERENT WAY WITHOUT DISTURBING THE NATURAL THINGS. BUT THAT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION. THIS AREA, YOU COULD BUILD HOUSE ON P AND BEAM. YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA HAS LOTS OF HOUSES LIKE THAT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SOIL THAT MOVES TOTALLY, BUT THE HOUSE STILL STAYS THERE. UH, THERE NEED TO BE SOME OUT OF THE BOX THINKING FOR THIS LAND BECAUSE THIS IS THE OUT OF THE BOX LOCATION. AND THAT'S WHY CITI SPENDS SO MANY HOURS HELPING, TRYING TO HELP. THEY WOULD HAVE HELP WITH ANY OTHER DEVELOPER, THIS KIND OF SITUATION, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL SITUATION. SO CITI, I SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. THE STAFFS, THEY HAVE OPEN MIND, OPEN THINGS THAT THEY LIKE TO HELP EVERYONE. SO, UH, I, I WOULD ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, I THINK I SEE THAT. I THINK THEIR INTENTION IS GREAT HERE. SO FOR THIS PROPERTY WITH, WITH ALL THIS, THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT HAVING A CLEAR PICTURE, HOW WE ARE GONNA BE HELPING THE OTHER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DOWNSTREAM, UPSTREAM SITUATION, UH, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CHANGE OF THE ZONING REQUEST. THAT WHATEVER THEY'RE REQUESTING, I'M OKAY THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW TODAY, THAT THEY CAN BUILD BY, RIGHT? [04:10:01] BUT CHANGING THINGS AND TRYING TO BE PART OF THE CHANGE, AND THAT COULD CAUSE SOME PROBLEM. UH, EVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF NOTHING WOULD, WOULD HAPPEN. BUT WITHOUT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT PATH WE ARE WALKING, I CAN'T REALLY SUPPORT SOMETHING. SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER CONCERNS THAT THAT CAME TONIGHT. I THINK THOSE ALL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. UH, AND THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS LANDOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY IS MUCH BIGGER RESPONSIBILITY. UH, BUT HE KNEW HOW THE LAND WAS ZONED, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW. SO THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT NOBODY REALLY COULD GIVE A HUNDRED RUSSIAN GUARANTEE HOW THIS YOU REQUEST TO WOULD GO, UH, TO THE COUNCIL. UM, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF DID THEIR BEST, BUT IS THE COUNCIL SOMETIMES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ELECTED US TO REPRESENT THE BEST FOR OUR CITY. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE DOING BEST. I THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD BE NOT SUPPORTING THE ANY CHANGE REQUEST HAS BEEN ASKED TONIGHT. SO THAT'S MY POSITION. THANK YOU, MR. DORIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, UM, I, I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD HAD MENTIONED. I, AND I WANT TO BRING BACK, I WANNA CIRCLE BACK AROUND 'CAUSE THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL CASE. IT'S A VERY UNUSUAL PROPERTY, AND IT IS THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX. AND I LOVE THE PROPERTY, BY THE WAY. I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. I ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY, VERY NICE. AND Y'ALL DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. I, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT AND, AND STATE A FEW FACTS JUST BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME OF THESE POINTS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. UM, ONE, THE PROPERTY USED TO BE OWNED BY THE COUNTRY CLUB, AND OF COURSE IT SAT THERE AND THERE WERE TREES, LAND ANIMALS, EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO ENJOY IT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE RISD CAME IN AND PURCHASED IT AND THEY LET IT SIT THERE. AND EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO ENJOY THIS PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH SOMEONE ELSE OWNED IT. IT WASN'T OWNED BY THE CITY, IT WAS OWNED BY, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL OR, OR A CORPORATION OR AN INSTITUTION. THE EVEN R-R-I-S-D WAS PLANNING ON BUILDING A SCHOOL ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE IT NOT TAKING A LARGER FOOTPRINT THAN, THAN THIS HOME. AGAIN, JUST STATING SOME FACTS RIGHT NOW. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE WOODED PROPERTY'S BEEN THERE AND OWNED BY OTHERS, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY IT. OUR CANYON CREEK HAS BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY IT. AND HONESTLY, I I, WE, ALL OF US WOULD'VE ENJOYED IT. IT'S A, IT'S A PLACE THAT, UH, WE CAN TAKE OUR DOGS AND, AND TAKE OUR WALK AND, AND GO HIKING. UM, I'VE HEARD THE DETENTION POND NEEDS TO BE DREDGED. I'VE TALKED, I'VE HEARD ABOUT CHANNELING, WHETHER IT'S A, UH, THE VELOCITY OF WATER AT A SMALLER CHANNEL VERSUS A LARGER CHANNEL. I'VE HEARD, UH, ABOUT, OF COURSE, DREDGING OUT THE DETENTION POND. AND ALSO I'VE HEARD THINGS ABOUT THE SETBACK. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THIS PARTICULAR OWNER IS PAYING TO PUT HIS RETAINING WALL UP. HE'S ALSO, UH, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY COULD REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT, BUT ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT IN CANYON CREEK. AND EVEN THOUGH THIS PROPERTY IS NOW OWNED, UM, BY THE COLLINS AND THEY'VE PRESENTED THIS BEAUTIFUL, UM, ARCHITECTURE, I HAVE TO TAKE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. AND, AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING THE DECISION BECAUSE I ALMOST FEEL LIKE IF IT NEEDS, I'M ALMOST LOOKING AT A DEFERMENT TO SEE ABOUT LOOKING INTO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT WOULD BE KEEPING WITH THE CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS, REDUCING THE FOOTPRINT, FOOTPRINT POTENTIALLY. AND, AND I MEAN, POTENTIALLY EVEN DREDGING THE, UH, DETENTION POND. SO I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME MAKING THAT DECISION. I'M SEEING BOTH SIDES AND I, AND I'M STATING THESE FACTS. 'CAUSE I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE FACTS, YET WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY. THEY DO. AND IT'S BEEN OWNED TWICE BEFORE AND WE, EVERYONE'S BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY IT. SO WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT THAT. SO RIGHT NOW I'M LEANING TOWARD NOT SUPPORTING IT, BUT I'M LOOKING, I WANT TO HEAR WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF, IF, IF IT WAS POTENTIALLY A DEFERMENT, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THANK YOU, MR. BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, NOW I AGREE WITH, UH, WHAT COUNCILMAN DORIAN SAID. WHEN IT COMES TO THE BEAUTY OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IT'S [04:15:01] ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL HOME. AND I, IF I WERE IN THE COLLINS FAMILY SHOES, I'D BE PROBABLY ATTEMPTING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. UM, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA, IT'S BEAUTIFUL HOME. UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SMART INVESTMENT. BUT AS AN ELECTED, UH, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. UH, MOST OF US HERE ARE NOT. AND SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THIS ISN'T, UH, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THAT PIECE OF IT, AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALSO A NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT ON BOTH SIDES. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT. UM, FROM WHERE I STAND, YOU KNOW, MY TIME HERE IN RICHARDSON, I'VE LIVED, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE BY A COUPLE DIFFERENT CREEKS. I LIVE WHILE MY HOUSE IS ON A CREEK. MY NEIGHBOR'S ACROSS THE STREET, THEIR BACKYARDS ON THE CREEK. UM, AND I'VE SEEN THE ISSUES WE HAVE. I KNOW I SPOKE OUT, UM, AGAINST, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS NEAR A CREEK A FEW YEARS BACK. UM, AND I LOOK AT THIS, I LOOK AT THIS ONE AND I SEE THESE ZONING CASES, I'M LIKE, OKAY, WHAT'S, WHAT BENEFIT DOES IT BRING? AND WHILE THERE DEFINITELY COMES WITH SOME BENEFITS, I THINK THE RED FLAGS ARE GREATER THAN THE BENEFITS IN MY OPINION. UM, ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS FOR ME, UM, I, THE ENGINEERING PIECE, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN ENGINEER YOURSELF AROUND PROBLEMS. UM, AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, A GREAT TEAM BEHIND THEM. AND HE'S OBVIOUSLY HIRED PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT I WILL SAY IT'S HARD TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT WITH OBVIOUSLY HIS, HIS SUCCESS, UM, WHATEVER HE DOES IN LIVING, OBVIOUSLY HE'S SURROUNDED BY A BUNCH OF EXPERTS. IT'S HARD TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT, UM, THE TREES WERE CUT DOWN WITHOUT CONSULTING WITH THE CITY AND NOT, BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY BASIC THING. SO IT'S HARD TO TAKE THE APPLICANT ON FACE VALLEY, AND THAT JUST LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH. AND NOT BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARILY JUST ABOUT THE TREES, BUT JUST THE PROCESS OF NOT GOING THROUGH THAT. WHAT COULD BE A TINY STEP IN THIS LONG, I THINK HE SAID 10 YEAR INVESTMENT, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE RESOURCES HE'S ALREADY PUT INTO THIS PROJECT AND NOBODY TOOK THE TIME TO CALL THE CITY OR TO CHECK ABOUT THE TREES. AND, BUT YET HE DID ALL THIS OTHER DUE DILIGENCE. SO I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THAT. AND, UM, I GOTTA THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THIS SOMETHING I'D WANT? WELL, I'D LOVE TO HAVE A HOUSE LIKE THAT ON A CREEK AND OVERLOOKING THE GOLF COURSE AT WHAT A VIEW. WOW. UM, I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANT THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I, I CAN'T IMAGINE ONE IN THE NEIGHBOR WHO DIDN'T TAKE THAT EXTRA DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE A 10 MINUTE CALL. UH, SO WITH THAT, I'M LEANING, I'M LEANING NO ON THIS. MS. JUSTICE, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE PRESENTATIONS, UM, FROM, FROM EVERYONE THAT SPOKE TONIGHT. UH, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION, RIGHT? YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO OWN LAND CAN BUILD WHAT THEY WANT, UH, ON THEIR PROPERTY. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT INDICATES THAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE OPEN SPACE. UM, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE APPLICANT HAS USED THE MOST UP-TO-DATE FEMA STUDIES AVAILABLE. YOU KNOW, A NEW FEMA STUDY WILL BE COMING OUT IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS OR SO. AND THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT SINCE THE LAST STUDY WAS DONE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN, UM, THAT THE, THE MAP WILL CHANGE. BUT GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY IMPACTED BY, UM, THE CREEK AS IT EXISTS TODAY, UM, I, I, I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THIS PROJECT, UH, SORT OF KNOWING THE HARDSHIPS THAT THEY HAVE AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED, UM, UH, AND QUITE FRANKLY, OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT INDICATES THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, OPEN SPACE. UM, SO, UM, A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION. BUT, UM, I'M, I'M A NO ON THIS. MR. HUTCHIN RUDDER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. BEFORE I WEIGH IN ON THE CASE, I WANNA ASK, I HEARD SOMETHING EARLIER, AND YET WE SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN OFF ON A, ON ONE POINT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. I BELIEVE I HEARD FROM OUR ENGINEER THAT YOU WENT UP AND REVIEWED THE DETENTION POND. AND I BELIEVE YOUR EXACT QUOTE WAS, IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO, EVEN WITH THE SILT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT BEFORE I GET INTO THE, THE CASE ITSELF. 'CAUSE I'M HEARING A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE NEED AND WE NEED AND WE NEED TO, AND YET, I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. SO I JUST WANNA, I WANNA GET A CLARIFICATION SO EVERYBODY HERE CAN HEAR THAT SO THAT WE DON'T START DOWN THIS ROAD OF, OF, OF, YOU [04:20:01] KNOW, WHAT WE GOT. WE, WE HAVE A, A, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DOING WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. NOW, I JUST WANT, I WANT TO, I WANNA GET A CLARIFICATION FROM YOU AS TO WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT. 'CAUSE I'M, I'M CONFUSED AT THIS POINT. YES, SIR. WELL, UM, SO WHAT I OBSERVED WAS, UM, THE UPPER POND, UH, HAD QUITE A BIT OF SIL SILTATION IN IT MM-HMM . AS WELL AS WATER, UM, VARIOUS VEGETATION, UM, JUST THROUGHOUT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, WHETHER THE POND IS, IS, YOU KNOW, UH, DIRT AND GRASS AND, AND WATER RUNS INTO IT AND THEN IS, IS STOPPED AND IT'S GOING TO RETAIN THAT AMOUNT OF WATER UNTIL IT'S METERED OUT. SO WHETHER THE POND IS SILTED UP OR WHETHER IT'S FULL OF WATER WHENEVER IT INITIALLY STARTS TO RAIN, AS LONG AS THAT BASE LEVEL IS, IS THERE, THEN THE WATER THAT COMES IN FROM UPSTREAM AND THEN IS, IS STOPPED AND, UM, UH, ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE POND AND, AND METER IT OUT. AS LONG AS IT'S DE DETAINED THERE, THEN THE PONDS ARE GONNA FUNCTION AS IT WAS DESIGNED. SO WHETHER IT'S FULL WATER, FULL OF DIRT, FULL OF GRASS, AS LONG AS IT'S AT THAT LEVEL, WHICH IT IS ROUGHLY, I MEAN, I, I AGREE THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU COULD WALK ACROSS IT WHERE THE SILT IS BUILT UP, UH, OVER WHAT THE NORMAL WATER LEVEL IS, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TENS OF FEET. SO IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AT THAT WATER SURFACE. AND SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONING WHENEVER, WHEN, WHENEVER IT RAINS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FULL OF SILT WITH SOME WATER IN IT, IT'S STILL DETAINING THE WATER THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DE DETAIN THERE. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION. SO THE DISCUSSION POINTS DURING, DURING THE STORM EVENT. CORRECT. SO THE DISCUSSION POINTS OF THAT, IT NEEDS TO BE IMMEDIATELY DREDGED IN YOUR OPINION. IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIACY THAT NEEDS TO BE OCCURRING. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. CORRECT. IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THE WEIR, UH, HOLDS BACK THE STORM, STORM WATER AND, UH, DUMPS IT INTO THE, TO THE CREEK. OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT, SEVERAL, SEVERAL OF MY, MY PEERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FEMA STUDIES AND, AND ALL OF THAT. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ARE THEY, IN FACT, OUT OF DATE? ARE THEY, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, I GUESS, I GUESS THEY WERE DONE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO MM-HMM . CAN YOU KIND OF, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT? YEAH, SO, UM, FEMA PUBLICI PUBLISHES MAPS, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT THE FLOOD INSURANCE RATES ARE, ARE BASED ON OF WHICH PROPERTIES TOUCHED, TOUCHED THOSE MAPS. UH, AND THEN PERIODICALLY AS IN THIS CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING TO GET TO A LETTER OF MAP REVISION, WHICH REVISES THE MAPS AND THOSE OCCUR, THOSE CAN OCCUR ANYWHERE, UH, ALONG THE, THE CREEK SYSTEM. UH, AND ONCE A LETTER OF MAP REVISION IS, IS DONE, THEN THAT'S MADE PART OF THE MODEL. UM, AND SO FOR INSTANCE, THIS IN, IN THIS CASE, THE, THE FEMALE MAPPING WAS PUBLISHED IN 2009, AND THERE WERE PROBABLY MULTIPLE, UM, LETTER OF MAP PROVISIONS THAT WERE DONE ALONG PRAIRIE CREEK. THE LATEST ONE THAT WAS DONE WAS DONE IN 2008 18. AND SO THAT'S WHEN THE MODEL WAS, UH, REVISED. BUT I DON'T KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT REVISION WAS, UH, IN THE, IN THE CREEK REACH. AND SO IT MIGHT'VE BEEN FURTHER UP, UP UPSTREAM, UP IN PLANO, BUT IT'S STILL PART OF THE MODEL THAT WAS REVISED IN TWO, 2018. SO NOW 2025, UH, NO OTHER REVISIONS HAD BEEN DONE TO THE MODEL SINCE 2008 18. SO THAT MODEL IS THE EFFECTIVE MODEL. SO WHENEVER THEIR ENGINEER WENT TO FEMA AND SAID, WE NEED THE LATEST AND GREATEST MODEL, IT WAS THE 2018 MODEL THAT REFLECTED ALL THE CHANGES PRIOR, UM, THAT, THAT THEY RECEIVED, THAT THEN THEY USED FOR THEIR STUDY. OKAY. SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT THE, UH, MODEL IS, IS OLD. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT, UH, THAT IT DOESN'T FUNCTION. IT'S THAT THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER UPDATES NECESSARY SINCE 2008 18. AND SO THAT'S THE MODEL THAT THEY BASE THEIR, UM, EVA EVALUATION ON FOR THEIR PARTICULAR REACH. OKAY. SO TO COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, UH, JUSTICE'S COMMENT, SHE SAID THAT IT'S GONNA BE UPDATED IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS. IS THERE SOME REGULARLY SCHEDULED [04:25:01] UPDATING? NO. UM, IT, IT SURPRISES ME WHENEVER FEMA DOES UPDATE THEIR ACTUAL MAPPING, UM, UH, WE GET NOTIFICATION PRIOR TO, BUT, UM, THERE'S NO REGULAR SET, UM, PERIOD. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T DO IT EVERY 10 YEARS, EVERY 15 YEARS, EVERY WHATEVER. THANK FOR CLARIFYING. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY UPDATED THE MAPS EVERY SO OFTEN. AND SO THAT WAS MY, MY UNDERSTANDING. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. IT'S PERIODIC AND IT'S BY EACH INDIVIDUAL PANEL. OKAY. SO I GUESS I, I MEAN, THIS CASE, I, I'VE BEEN ON COUNSEL FOR SIX YEARS. THIS CASE IS PROBABLY THE MOST BEFUDDLING CASE THAT I'VE EVER SEEN COME BEFORE US. I'LL BE HONEST, BECAUSE I'M HEARING, I'M HEARING ALL THE SCIENCE ON ONE SIDE THAT SAYS THIS, THIS POINT, NORTH, NORTH RESIDENCE IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THAT, THAT IT'S GOING TO STAY STATUS QUO. AND YET EVERYBODY, INCLUDING MY FELLOW COUNSEL, PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT'S NOT TRUE. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M, I'M BEFUDDLED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S EVER BEEN, I I CAN'T REMEMBER A CASE IN SIX YEARS WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE ARE, WE HAVE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT ALL OVER HERE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPINIONS, THOUGHTS, CONJECTURES, ET CETERA, THAT SEEM TO HAVE SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT TRUE. AND SO I'M TRYING TO WEIGH ALL THAT OUT BECAUSE I, I'M, I'M, I'M TRULY, I'M 100% STUCK IN THE MIDDLE ON THIS ONE. UM, BECAUSE I DON'T, I, I MEAN, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. UH, I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ADMIT IT, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I, I HAVE TO PUT MY HEALTHCARE HAT ON FOR A MOMENT IF I GO INTO MY DOCTOR, BUT DOCTOR SAYS, HERE'S ALL THE SCIENCE AS TO WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE THIS MEDICATION. I, I, I FOLLOW THE SCIENCE. AND YET IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S THIS BIG FIGHT, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE SCIENCE. AND I'M, I'M JUST CONFUSED. I DON'T, I'M REALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'RE, SO NORMALLY THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A RUB ABOUT THIS THAT EARLIER, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS JUST SO FAR APART AND I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW WE, WE GOT TO THIS POINT. SO I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I'LL GO BACK ALL THE WAY TO TO, TO, UM, UM, MY FELLOW COUNCIL PERSON, DORIAN, IS SHOULD WE CONTINUE THIS? AND I, I GUESS MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE IS REREVIEW THE SCIENCE AND LOOK AT THIS AND SEE, AND SEE WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS TRUTH? WHAT IS FACT? WHAT IS, WHAT IS WHAT IS, UM, CONCERNING? AND THEN IS WHAT IS, I GUESS I'LL USE THE WORDS BELIEFS, IF YOU WILL. AND SO IS THERE A IS I'M, 'CAUSE I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMEONE. A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS SAID IT, YOU KNOW, A WIN-WIN PROPOSITION ON THIS BECAUSE I'M, I'M FEELING LIKE THAT WE HAVE A POINT NORTH RESIDENCE WHO'S GONE AND PULLED ALL THE SCIENCE, WHAT Y'ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT, PULLED ON THE SCIENCE, AND YET WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF, OF, I'LL USE THE WORDS EVIDENCE AGAINST THE SCIENCE, AND I'M, AND I'M FEELING LIKE THE WHOLE PICTURE HASN'T BEEN, OOPS, I'M SORRY THAT THE WHOLE PICTURE HASN'T BEEN LAID OUT YET. IT FEELS LIKE THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE SOME WORK PUT INTO THIS TO SEE CAN WE GET, CAN, CAN WE EITHER AGREE THAT THE SCIENCE IS SOLID AND IT'S GOOD? 'CAUSE I, I HEARD SEVERAL SPEAKERS, BOTH EVEN PEOPLE WHO WERE, WHO WERE UH, AGAINST IT SAYING, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, A BEAUTIFUL, UH, DESIGN. IT WOULD LOOK GREAT, IT WOULD INCREASE HOME VALUES. THERE, THERE SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVE, BUT YET THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE THIS, THIS COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER I WANNA SAY THAT, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY DISREGARD, THAT'S NOT A FAIR TERM, BUT JUST A, A SCIENCES OVER HERE AND, UH, I'LL USE THE WORD THAT OPINION OVER HERE IS THAT NOBODY'S BELIEVING THE SCIENCE, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. AND SO, COUNCILMAN HUNTER, LET ME, CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING? YEAH, PLEASE. I'M, I'M JUST CON I'M, I'M CONFU I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. I REALLY AM. I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE, I HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION. LEMME MAKE SURE I SAY THAT RIGHT OFF THE BAT. I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND MAYBE I, I HEAR WHAT I, WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS YOU'RE HESITANT TO SLAM THE DOOR ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE SLAMMED, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA PASS. THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. I HEARD EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE SAY, NOT GONNA PASS AND RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THE NO VOTE IS PROBABLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN. BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE YOU TRYING TO GET TO A POINT MAYBE WE SAY NO WITH PRESIDENTS, WITH WITHOUT PRESIDENT, WITHOUT PRESIDENT, LET'S GET THAT OUT SO [04:30:01] THAT THEY COULD COME BACK IN A YEAR. RIGHT. AND, AND THEN BY THAT TIME WE MAY HAVE HAD TO, IS IT A YEAR OR IS IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SO, SO, UH, IF, IF YOU DENY IT WITH, UH, WITHOUT MAKING A COMMENT OF, WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THEN IT'S A, IT'S A MINIMUM A YEAR UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. IF YOU DENY IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND IT'S A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT, THEN IT CAN BE WITHIN A YEAR. SO MAYBE WE LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, OR MAYBE WE'VE HAD 14 RAINSTORMS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS. OR MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD ASK THEM TO DO, BUT I, I SEE THIS AND, AND I WILL SAY THAT I AGREE WITH EVERY ONE OF Y'ALL THAT SAID IT WAS VERY EVIDENT THAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY LIKES THE COLLINS FAMILY. AND IT'S VERY EVIDENT THAT THE COLLINS FAMILY IS SOMEONE, IT'S WELCOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S VERY EVIDENT THAT THEY HAVE INVESTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY BEING REALLY UPSET ABOUT IT AND PASSIONATE ABOUT IT AND WANTING THE RIGHT THINGS TO HAPPEN. SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. YEAH, BECAUSE 'CAUSE A YEAR IS A, I MEAN THAT, THAT, GIVEN, GIVEN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A, TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A FULL YEAR UNLESS THEY GO BACK AND DO SOME, AND, AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I UNDERSTAND ALWAYS WHEN WE SAY A SIGNIFICANT REDESIGN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS, THAT AT LEAST I ALWAYS UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF WHAT, WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS IN ORDER TO HAVE IN ORDER TO, TO DO THAT. SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, IS THERE STILL AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE, IF WE DEFERRED IT, THAT THE, THE PAR ALL THE, ALL THE PARTIES, EVERYBODY OUT HERE, IF YOU WILL, COULD GET TOGETHER, WALK THROUGH IT? BECAUSE I HEARD, I HEARD A COUPLE, COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST IT SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE, THAT, THAT, THAT, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REVIEW IT STILL AND, AND WORK FURTHER AND TRY AND GET TO A, A DIFFERENT POINT, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD MEET THAT SIGNIFICANT REDESIGN OR NOT. SO I JUST, I STILL FEEL LIKE THAT THERE'S, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S WORK TO DO AND WE'RE, AND IT'S COMING FORWARD TO COMING FORWARD TO US TONIGHT. UM, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY, MAYOR. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IT'S THAT, THAT I'VE, I THINK IT'S, AT THE MOMENT I'VE HEARD FIVE PEOPLE EXPRESS NO. SO THAT OBVIOUSLY, AND SO I'M JUST, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN MY WORDS FULLY BAKED AND THAT IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A DEFERMENT SO THAT MORE WORK CAN BE PUT INTO IT. AND I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WORK IS, BUT IT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS ONE'S FULLY BAKED. IT'S CORPORATE. YEAH. I'M SORRY, MR. MAYOR AND DON. SO JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF WE DENY IT. SO IF WE DENY IT WITH, LET'S SAY WE JUST DENY IT, SO BY DEFAULT WITH PREJUDICE, THAT'S WITH PREJUDICE. MM-HMM. HOW LONG DO THEY, IF IF IT'S WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THEY CANNOT BRING ANYTHING BACK WITH IT FOR ONE YEAR. OKAY. BUT IF WE DO IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THEY CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK IF IT'S, IF THE PROJECT IS SUBSTANTIVE. I SEE. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT, YEAH, WITHOUT, MY THOUGHT WAS WITHOUT PREJUDICE IT WAS ANY TIME THEY COULD BRING IT BACK MM-HMM . 2020. OKAY. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SUBSTANTIAL DAWN FROM WE WE WILL KNOW IT WHEN WE SEE IT . YEAH, I KNOW THAT THAT'S, I MEAN THERE THERE IS, THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT. SO I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND, AND, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, KEY COMPONENTS TO A PROJECT. I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A MM-HMM . NON-RESPONSIVE, BUT I, I KNOW I'M ALSO NOT PREPARED TO TRY TO STOP. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR. ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO. THAT'S FAIR. I MEAN, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT MEANS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT. AND IT LIKE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT. I THINK IT COULD BE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT. IT COULD BE, NO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A OPEN FRONT. IT COULD BE, YEAH. IT COULD, AGAIN, WE COULD, WE COULD DESCRIBE, UH, YOU KNOW, 10 DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS TO THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, THE IF, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE OPEN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN STILL ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, I, YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ASK THE APPLICANT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY EVEN WANNA EXPLORE. MM-HMM . PROBABLY. I THINK THAT IF WE KEEP ON LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RE'S POINT ABOUT THE HALF, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T FEEL FULLY BAKED. UM, I I DON'T KNOW IF I, IT'S DEFINITELY A TOUGH DECISION. I AGREE. YOU KNOW, UH, WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT SAID THAT. 'CAUSE WHEN I FIRST HEARD OF THIS PROJECT, I THOUGHT, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TALKED ENOUGH TONIGHT. I MEAN, WE SPENT QUITE A BIT TIME. OKAY. LEMME LEMME JUST MAKE MY POINT HERE, MAYOR. THANK YOU. UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS MANY EXPERTS IN THE ROOM FOR ANY DECISION, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS. SO THIS POINT ABOUT IT NOT BEING FULLY BAKED, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GRASPING AT STRAWS. I I THINK IT'S FULLY BAKED. UH, WE'VE HEARD [04:35:02] PROBABLY THE BIGGEST TESTIMONY WE'VE HEARD OF ANYTHING THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE CANCEL IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, WHAT IF WE, I, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS WITH PREJUDICE AND NOT WITH PREJUDICE AND WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED, I MEAN, IF HE CAME BACK WITH A P AND BEAM AND DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD A WALL, YOU KNOW, AND SAID I WANNA BUILD HALF OF IT ON STILTS OUT OVER, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DESIGN. UM, I'D BE OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT TO AT LEAST HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY'VE DEFINITELY BEEN GIVEN THEIR DUE DUE DILIGENCE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, IF NOT MORE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF EXPERTS IN THE ROOM, UM, THAN ANY OTHER ZONING CASE WE'VE SEEN. SO. WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S HARM THOUGH. I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AS DON HAS SUGGESTED, AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING HE'S OPEN TO. AND IF SO, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SURE. I AGREE. I AGREE. MR. COLLINS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS PLEASE? YES. I'D KINDA LIKE TO START AT A 30,000 FOOT VIEW AND START OVER OF HOW SMALL OF AN IMPACT THIS IS GONNA HAVE ON THAT CREEK. SO I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION TO DAN AND TRACY. HOW MANY ACRES FLOW INTO THAT CREEK NOW? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THE NUMBER. YEAH, THE, UH, THE PRAIRIE, THE PRAIRIE CREEK BASIN IS 44 4500 ACRES. 4,500 ACRES. AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS 2.03 ACRES. AND ACCORDING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY AND THE FEMA STUDY THAT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT, HOW IS THIS RELATED TO THE QUESTION ASKED? WE'RE NOT RYING THIS, ARE WE, WE'RE NOT STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN, BUT THIS WASN'T BROUGHT UP. IT'S, THIS IS, THIS IS, THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED TO YOU. PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION, ARE YOU OPEN TO IT OR NOT? WE'RE TRYING TO EXTEND AN OLIVE BRANCH IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. YES, WE'RE OPEN TO IT. OKAY. MR. BA BASED ON THAT, THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR, LEMME LEMME LOOK AT A DATE REAL QUICK. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE MY ONE, MY ONE QUESTION TO YOU, DON. WAIT, ARE WE CONTINUING OR ARE WE SAYING NO WITH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE? JUST TURN YOUR MIC ON PLEASE. I DON'T THINK, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT TONIGHT. I WOULD RATHER SUPPORT SOMETHING WITHOUT PRE, UH, PRE, I MEAN, I WOULD LET THEM COME BACK BEFORE ONE YEAR AND WITH SOME DESIGN MODIFICATION. I AGREE. UH, I WOULD FOR THAT, BUT I, I WOULD NOT REALLY CONTINUE WITH THE SAME YES. PLAN. SO YEAH, IF MR. HUTCHER AND I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE THE MOTION, I WAS JUST GONNA PROVIDE THE DATE SO HE CAN MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. TO WHERE IT WOULD WORK IF IT WOULD PASS. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CONTINUING. IF WE'RE VOTING NO WITHOUT PREJUDICE, DO WE NEED TO GIVE A DATE? I THINK MR. HUTCHEN WAS ABOUT TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE OR TO VOTE NO WITHOUT PREJUDICE. I WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO SEE IF I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE HIM A DATE THAT WOULD WORK. IF THE MOTION PASSED, I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS IN PROCESS OF DOING. SO THAT, THAT'S, I'M THAT'S ALRIGHT. NOT CAN VOTE IT DOWN, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MOTION JUNE 2ND AT 6:00 PM OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS UNTIL JUNE 2ND AT 6:00 PM TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CITY STAFF TO WORK TOGETHER AND SEE IF SOMETHING CAN BE BROUGHT BACK THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO OUR ALL PARTIES. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. OKAY. GOT A MOTION ON THE TABLE. ANYBODY SECOND THAT? OKAY. NOBODY SECONDS THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I TRIED MR. DORIAN, MS. JUSTICE MAYOR, I WILL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE NO WITHOUT PREJUDICE ZONING FILE 25 0 5. UM, CAN, CAN YOU HANDLE THE VARIANCE FIRST, PLEASE? OH, SURE. UH, I WOULD VOTE NO WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IN ACTION. ITEM 12. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. I GET A SECOND, MR. CORCORAN A SECOND. ALRIGHT, MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT BEING NO WITHOUT PREJUDICE? YES, WITHOUT PREJUDICE. WITHOUT PREJUDICE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MS. JUSTICE, YOU WILL MAKE SAME MOTION AS TO WITH RESPECT TO ZONING FILE. 25 0 5. OKAY. MR. CHU, I SECOND IT A MOTION. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS PLEASE. OKAY, DONE. OKAY, THAT [14. CONSENT AGENDA] BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE AGENDA. EXCUSE ME. I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, MS. JUSTICE. MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PUBLISHED. MR. SAM. I SECONDED. GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? SHOW OF HANDS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY BRINGS US [15. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ] TO NUMBER 15, REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. MR. SHA SCHUL. OH, I'M [04:40:01] SORRY I'VE BEEN ON. ALRIGHT, MR. BARRIOS, MAYOR, I JUST LOOKING FORWARD, I WANNA WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY HOLY WEEK AND A HAPPY EASTER AND, UH, MAYBE EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY HAVE A BLESSED WEEK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SEE YOU AND NONE WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS. ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 10:40 PM WE ARE ADJOURNED. 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