* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I CALL THIS MEETING OF [CALL TO ORDER] THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM UM, AND I'LL NOW CALL ON MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER TO GIVE THE INVOCATION AND LEAD THE PLEDGES. IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN PRAYER, PLEASE. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY IN RICHARDSON, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AS THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF OUR CITY, UM, TO MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR THE VERY NEEDED RAIN LAST NIGHT, AND THANK YOU FOR SAVING US FROM ANY SIGNIFICANT STORM AND DAMAGE. WE PRAY ALL OF THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME, AMEN. AMEN. AND THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, AND THE TEXAS FLAG. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR PROAM, HUTCHIN RIDER. ALL RIGHT. UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE [3. MINUTES OF THE MAY 19, 2025 AND JUNE 2, 2025 MEETINGS] IS, UH, MINUTES OF THE MAY 19TH, 2025 AND JUNE 2ND, 2025 MEETINGS. I'LL HAVE A MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEM. I'LL MOVE THOSE. BE APPROVED AS PUBLISHED. WONDERFUL. AND A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. HAVING A, UH, MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER, AND A SECOND BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, ANY, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. ALRIGHT. SEVEN ZERO. EVERYONE'S IN FAVOR. UM, NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND THE VISITOR'S FORUM. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF ONE CARD IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE. THAT'S FROM MR. JUSTIN NEFF, AND IT IS REGARDING, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS ZONING, FALL 25 0 4. SO, UM, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED THOSE COMMENTS, AND WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE SPEAKER, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THIS EVENING. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD, UH, AND READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, UH, FOR BOTH THE VISITOR SECTION AND THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO ANYONE WHO WANTS YOU TO SPEAK FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, UH, THESE WILL APPLY. UH, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED. IF THERE IS A TIME LEFT DURING THIS INITIAL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITOR'S FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REACHED, THEN SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITOR'S FORUM SCHEDULED. AT THE END OF THE MEETING, ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMITTED TO THE SECRET CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY RECEIVED. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. SPEAKERS. SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, SAY, POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. I WILL, UH, ASK MS. NEER IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR, UH, DURING THE VISITORS, UH, PORTION OF THE MEETING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS INTERESTED? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE. UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS TO [5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT (DART) PROGRAMS AND TOPICS OF INTEREST] REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT PROGRAMS AND TOPICS OF INTEREST. MR. MAGNER? UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR COUNCIL. WE ARE, UH, UH, VERY EXCITED TONIGHT TO HAVE, UH, UH, GARY SLICKER IS GARY SLAGEL, WHO IS, UH, OUR DART BOARD REPRESENTATIVE AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, AS WELL AS OUR, UH, THE DART CEO NADINE LEE AND, UH, DEMARCUS UFFORD, WHO IS, UH, HERE FROM HER TEAM. UM, I THINK I'M GONNA THROW THIS OVER TO GARY FOR SOME INTRODUCTORY REMARKS. UM, AND THEN, UH, I THINK HE'LL, UH, UH, TEAM UP WITH NADINE AND MAKE THE PRESENTATION. UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO, UH, SAY AS I THINK, UH, UH, WE PREPARE, UH, TOMORROW, UH, FOR A PRESS RELEASE TO BE, UM, PROVIDED BY DART ON, UH, ONE OF THEIR LATEST INITIATIVES, WHICH WAS, UH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF YOU ON A NUMBER OF WEEKS AGO, WHICH WAS THEIR TURS PROGRAM. UM, THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE, UH, LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UH, NADINE AND HER TEAM HAS JUST BEEN, UH, EXCEPTIONAL TO WORK WITH. THEY'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE, UH, HIGHLY, UH, DISTRACTED AND, UH, WORKING ON MANY, MANY FRONTS. BUT TO, UM, BE ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER THE MANAGERS [00:05:01] LIKE DART DID AND TO WORK WITH THEM IN JUST FIVE SHORT MONTHS AND HAVE THIS, UM, CHOSE ILA ADOPTED BY THEIR BOARD FOR US NOW TO ACT ON PROVIDING US WITH A WHOLE NOTHER, UH, A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL THAT WILL REALLY HELP US REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND FURTHER DIFFERENTIATE OURSELVES HERE IN NORTH TEXAS IS JUST, UH, EXCEPTIONAL. NADINE. SO, THANK YOU, UH, GARY AND, AND NADINE. I ALSO WANNA, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE MARK NELSON, WHO'S OUR DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. UH, MARK, OBVIOUSLY A KEY LIAISON TO, UH, DAR ATTENDING, UH, MOST OF THEIR BOARD MEETINGS AND REALLY HELPING US STAY ABREAST OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. SO, GARY, LET ME THROW IT OVER TO YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DON. I APPRECIATE IT. WE, NADINE AND I WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO UP TO THE, TO THE PODIUM AND DO THAT, BUT, UH, WE'LL, WE SPLIT THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. I'M GONNA COVER SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE ISSUES AND THE OUTCOME AS A RESULT OF THAT. AND THEN, UH, NADINE WILL GIVE YOU A VERY IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND, AND REPORT ON WHERE WE ARE FROM AN OPERATIONS POINT OF VIEW AND WHAT WE'RE DOING GOING FORWARD. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I HOPE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. SO WE'RE GOING TO WALK ON UP THERE. I'M GONNA START THIS, WE HAVE A SERIES OF, WE SHOULD HAVE A SERIES OF SLIDES HERE, SO THAT WILL BE GOOD. AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS AN UPDATE AND, UM, AND IT'S TIME TO DO THAT. WE TRY TO DO THIS ON A FAIRLY FREQUENT BASIS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE KEEP OUR CITIES INFORMED ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH DART. BUT I'LL HIT THE LEGISLATIVE SUMMARY, THEN NADINE WILL TALK ABOUT POINT B, WHICH IS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. IT'S BASICALLY THE HEART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THEN SOME, UH, UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED CURRENTLY. SO I'LL HIT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND AS EVERYONE HERE KNOWS, THIS HAS BEEN AN ITEM OF, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE TO DART OUR STAFF. UM, AND THE BOARD SINCE, UH, SINCE THE END OF 2023, REALLY, WHEN, WHEN, DURING THE LAST SESSION, THE CITIES ASKED US TO GIVE A REPORT ON HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY, WHAT THE VALUE IS TO THE CITIES. AND SO WE HAD TAKEN A COUPLE OF RUNS AT THAT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND DECIDED ULTIMATELY THAT WE NEEDED TO DO AN ERNST AND YOUNG STUDY, WHICH I'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, TO, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A ACCURATE COST ALLOCATION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY, SO MONEY WITH THE CITIES AND WHAT, AND, UH, WHAT THEY WERE GIVING BACK TO US AND SALES TAX. AND EACH OF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, OF COURSE. SO THE, THE BILL WOULD HAVE REDUCED, UH, 25% OF OUR REVENUE, BASICALLY THE SALES TAX REVENUE, AND IT WOULD'VE GONE BACK TO THE CITIES FOR, UM, USES SPECIFICALLY AROUND TRANSPORTATION AND USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY OUR ENABLING LEGISLATION 4 52. THE ISSUE WITH HOUSE BILL 31 87 IS THAT IT CREATED A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIT FOR THE ORGANIZATION. AND IT, WE'VE BUILT A, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 600 SQUARE MILES OF REAL ESTATE THAT WE SERVE, UH, CITY 13 ACROSS 13 CITIES, AND WE HAVE BUILT A VERY LARGE CITY BASED ON VERY LARGE SERVICE, BASED ON 1% SALES TAX. TAKING AWAY A QUARTER OF THAT SALES TAX WOULD'VE BEEN DEVASTATING FOR THE, UH, REGION, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, AND FOR DART. AND WHEN I SAY FOR THE REGION, I'M TALKING THE CITIES BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE CUT SEVERAL OF OUR SERVICES DRAMATICALLY. HOWEVER, THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S STILL NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE AND WE, WE WILL WORK WITH OUR CITIES TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME RESOLUTION TO, IN REGARDING WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING. THERE WAS A SECOND BILL, WHICH WAS A GOVERNANCE BILL, AND THAT WAS BASICALLY THE, AS AS NADINE, MYSELF AND MARK ENOCH TALKED TO ALL OF THE 13 CITIES. WE MADE 36 MEETINGS ACROSS THE REGION FROM OCTOBER OF 2025 UNTIL JANUARY OF 2026, AND BASICALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR ISSUES WERE AND WHERE WE, WHERE THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE US TO GO. NOT ALL THE CITIES WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT LEGISLATIVE ACTION. MATTER OF FACT, THERE WERE SEVEN CITIES THAT WERE NOT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS POSITIVE. NONETHELESS, WE HAD SOME CITIES THAT WERE CONCERNED. BUT THE GOVERNANCE PART WAS IMPORTANT [00:10:01] TO THEM BECAUSE IT SAID A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, SOME OF THE CITIES WANTED TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND FELT MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE. AND THE OTHER ELEMENT WAS DART HAS, IS MADE UP OF A BOARD OF, OF MEMBERS THAT HAVE, UH, A MAJORITY OF THOSE MEMBERS, A MAJORITY OF BY ONE OF DALLAS, UH, THE LARGEST CITY OF DALLAS REPRESENTATIVES. AND THEY WANTED TO TRY TO EQUALIZE THAT. AND SO THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER THAT WOULD'VE GIVEN ALL OF THE CITIES ONE VOTE. SO WHETHER YOU ARE A, AN ADDISON OR A DALLAS, OR LET ME SAY ADDISON GARLAND, PLANO, IRVING, EACH OF THE CITIES, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR SIZE WOULD'VE HAD ONE VOTE, DALLAS WOULD'VE HAD ONE PERSON WITH THREE VOTES TO TRY TO MAKE, TO TRY TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE UP. NOW, DALLAS HAS BASICALLY 50% OF THE REVENUE GENERATED, UH, BY DART IN SALES TAX AND ALSO 50% OF THE POPULATION. SO THERE WAS SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT BILL AND IT, IT, IT WASN'T HEARD. NOW WE'LL TALK THOUGH ABOUT THAT BILL OR ABOUT THAT IN ISSUE AND WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT MAY GO. AND THEN DURING ALL THAT PROCESS, THE BOARD PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION, WHICH WAS REALLY TO MAKE A LOCAL COMMITMENT TO D OR TO OUR, OUR MEMBER CITIES TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AT HOME VERSUS IN AUSTIN. AND, UM, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THE CITIES ON THAT. SOME CITIES THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GOOD. OTHERS SAID, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT OUR, OUR LEGISLATION. WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT, UH, WITH THAT RESOLUTION IN TERMS OF TAKING ACTION, UH, SPECIFICALLY. BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT RESOLUTION THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WERE IMPORTANT. BUT FIRST, LET ME GO INTO THE GOVERNANCE PIECE. THE, UH, I, I, I DESCRIBED WHAT THE BILL WAS TO DO. THE, UH, NADINE HAS PUT TOGETHER A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 13 CITY MANAGERS, WHICH IS REALLY VERY HELPFUL. AND, UH, I'LL MOVE ON TO THAT. AND, AND, AND WHAT THAT IS INTENDED TO DO IS GIVE THE CITY MANAGERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON ISSUES THAT DART MAY HAVE. AND SO THEY TOOK UP THE QUESTION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE CITY MANAGERS, TOOK UP THE QUESTION OF GOVERNANCE. AND TO THE MANAGERS, IT WAS KIND OF HARD. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE BOARD MAKEUP WERE, UH, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THEY'RE THERE LIKE DON TO SERVE THE CITY. AND, AND IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE OF HOW DO WE DO THAT GOVERNANCE THING? SO WE SORT OF, THEY SORT OF PUT A, PUT A HOLD ON IT. SOME OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT DOING REQUIRED, UH, UH, A CHANGE IN 4 52, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN LEGISLATIVE ACTION IN AUSTIN. AND WE'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO AUSTIN TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS . BUT, UH, THEY CAME UP WITH SOME IDEAS WHICH THE BOARD HAD, HAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE RE UNDER 4 52, THERE'S A LIMIT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT CHANGING THE WAY OUR, OUR, OUR ADULT CAN OPERATE WITHOUT GETTING LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL. SO WHAT WE'VE SUGGESTED, AND WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO DURING THIS PROCESS OF REAPPOINTMENT OF BOARD MEMBERS, UH, THE WAY THAT WORKS IS THE CITIES, UM, ARE DIVIDED UP BASED ON POPULATION. AND EVERY BOARD MEMBER REPRESENTS, I BELIEVE IT'S 36,000 CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE ONE OR TWO OR FOUR CITIES THAT THEY REPRESENT, AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, THE DALLAS BOARD MEMBERS, PLANO BOARD MEMBER, THEY, UH, REPRESENT, HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FOR EACH OF THOSE NUMBERS. SO THAT'S WHY DALLAS HAS MORE BOARD MEMBERS THAN ANY OTHER CITY. BUT WE WANNA TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE CITIES FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY ARE HEARD AND HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND ALSO BE FAIR TO ALL THE CITIES. SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TTI, THE, UH, UH, IT'S A TRANSPORTATION THINK TANK DOWN IN COLLEGE STATION, WHICH, UH, WILL GIVE US AN ANALYSIS OF THE 13, EVERY, EVERY SIX YEARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THIS YEAR WE WOULD LIKE THE CITIES TO TAKE THE LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THAT AND DECIDE WHICH CITY'S BEST FIT WITH EACH OTHER TO SHARE A SEAT. IT WAS DONE JUST BASED ON NUMBERS AND RECOMMENDATION [00:15:01] YEARS AGO ON HOW THAT WOULD WORK. AND WE WOULD LIKE THE CITIES TO BECOME MORE INVOLVED IN IT, DECIDE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME TOGETHER, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE TOGETHER AS A, WITH A SINGLE BOARD MEMBER, WHICH, WHICH IS OUR ONLY OPTION WITH 4 52, AND THEN COME UP WITH A ROTATION FOR BOARD MEMBERS OR SOME WAY TO DO IT SO THAT ALL THE CITIES VOTE ON AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A BOARD MEMBER THAT REPRESENTS 'EM. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'LL WORK WITH EACH OF THE, WITH THE GROUP OF CITIES ON, BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE THE CITY'S CALL, YOUR CALL AS OPPOSED TO THE DART BOARD. SO THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. UM, THE PROJECT, WHICH WAS BRIEFED HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT DON TALKED ABOUT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF THE MANAGERS AND NADINE, THEY PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, TO GET IT DONE. THE BOARD HAS ALREADY APPROVED IT. NOW WE'RE DART IS WORKING WITH THE CITIES ON PUTTING TOGETHER AN ILA TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND HAVE THAT DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. CAN BE DONE SOONER SURELY. BUT AS, AS CITIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE SHARE SALES TAX GROWTH. AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DO ON TIF DISTRICTS. THIS IS DONE WITH SALES TAX AND IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND IT CAME TO US, THE CITY MANAGER OF, OF, UH, IRVING, WHO HAD THE IDEA AND, UH, HAS SOLD US ON IT. AND WE THINK IT'S A GREAT INITIATIVE FOR US AS WELL. NOW WE HAVE THAT RESOLUTION THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU, AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'RE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT 'EM A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN ON THE TOURS PART. SO THAT WAS, THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETED. WE HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY, UH, FOR A BUDGET VOTE ON OUR AGENDA TOMORROW. AND, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THAT OR NOT. AND THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THAT, JUST LIKE THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT A WAY TO UPDATE THE COST ALLOCATION WORK THAT WAS DONE EARLIER, SO THAT IT INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST DEPRECIATION VALUE OF WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, BUT IT LOOKS AT DOLLARS THAT WE'VE SPENT ON, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S NO SILVER LINE ON THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE THAT, UH, MADE THAT 25% LEGISLATIVE ACTION COME FORWARD. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEASURING EVERYTHING THAT DART DOES. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MEASURE THE ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT BENEFIT. AND THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT, UH, THAT THE CONSULTANT FELLOWS LEFT OUT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO RE-LOOK AT. SO WE HAVE AN, WE HAVE THAT RESOLUTION NOW, THE BOARD IS GOING THROUGH AN EVALUATION OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT, IF ANYTHING, AND WE ARE TRYING TO PICK THE BEST THINGS THAT WE CAN PULL OUT OF IT AND ENACT THOSE RIGHT NOW. UH, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH NADINE WILL TALK ABOUT. THE FIRST ONE IN RICHARDSON IS WEDNESDAY. THERE'S ONE IN IRVING TONIGHT WHERE WE'VE ASKED THE PUBLIC, THE WRITERS TO COME TALK TO US. WE'LL PRESENT TO THEM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE IN TERMS OF REDUCING SERVICE TO FIND MONEY FOR A, FOR THE CITIES. UH, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT. THIS, THE BOARD WON'T MAKE A DECISION ON THAT IMMEDIATELY. WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FIRST. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE BASED ON RESOLUTION AND THE ISSUES THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW. AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO NADINE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'M REALLY DELIGHTED TO BE HERE. UM, I FEEL LIKE I WAS JUST HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHICH I PROBABLY WAS. BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA FIRST START OUT BY THANKING THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU PROVIDED TO DART, UM, THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, PARTICULARLY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN WHO BURNED THE MID MIDNIGHT OIL, LITERALLY, UH, WHEN WE WERE UP FOR HEARING AT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I COULD SAY ENOUGH, UH, WHAT THAT MEANT TO DART THAT YOU ALL WERE BEHIND US AND THAT YOU WERE SUPPORTING US THE WHOLE WAY. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS, UM, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE JUST BEEN SUCH TREMENDOUS, UH, TREMENDOUS ADVOCATES FOR US, AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THE SESSION WITHOUT YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT SUPPORT. UM, I WANT TO, UH, BUILD OFF OF WHAT CHAIR SLAGEL TALKED ABOUT. UM, AND I WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, AS IT RELATES TO OUR POINT B STRATEGIC PLAN. AND, UM, I KNOW THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE POINT B STRATEGIC PLAN EVERY SINGLE TIME WE COME HERE, BUT [00:20:01] THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE TRYING TO LEVERAGE DART FOR EACH OF OUR MEMBER CITIES. WE WANT DART TO BE A TRUE STRATEGIC ECONOMIC AND MOBILITY ASSET. AND SO, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS, UM, POINT B STRATEGIC PLAN. IT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD LAST YEAR. AND, UM, AND WE'RE REALLY EXECUTING ON THE GOALS AND THE ACTIONS AND INITIATIVES THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. UM, MUCH LIKE RICHARDSON HAS YOUR MASTER PLAN, YOUR CITY'S MASTER PLAN, AND, AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN EXECUTING ON THE VARIOUS MASTER PLANS OVER THE HISTORY, AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. UM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE HERE TO SHOW, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU INVESTED IN, UM, ALL OF THOSE CAME FROM THE STRATEGIC THOUGHT THAT YOU PUT INTO, UM, YOUR MASTER PLAN. AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN EXECUTING ACCORDING TO PLAN. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE SAME. POINT B IS OUR PLAN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXECUTE SO THAT WE CAN REALIZE EVERY, EVERY DREAM AND WISH THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR CITIES, UM, OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS. AND SO, UM, I WANNA KIND OF CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO OUR NEW MISSION STATEMENT. IT'S NOW A YEAR OLD. UM, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR, OUR MISSION STATEMENT, WHICH IS ABOUT CREATING BEST IN CLASS MOBILITY EXPERIENCES, IS THAT THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE WE WANT OUR PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES TO FLOURISH AND TO CONNECT. AND SO, UM, IT'S JUST ALWAYS SUCH A GOOD REMINDER FOR US TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE WROTE AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN, IN THIS CONTEXT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT CITY SERVICES, UM, BECAUSE AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS PRESENTATION AND LOOKING AT THE MAP, AND I KNOW IT'S QUITE SMALL, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE BLUE LINES ON THE MAP, UM, RICHARDSON HAS, UH, A GRID SYSTEM THAT IS VERY CONDUCIVE TO GREAT BUS SERVICE. AND SO YOU ALL HAVE, UM, REALLY IN, IN WORKING WITH, WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF REALLY GREAT CONNECTING SERVICE ACROSS THE CITY, BOTH NORTH SOUTH AND EAST WEST. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE, UM, KIND OF THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT, ALONG US 75, YOU HAVE THE RAIL CORRIDOR, THE LIGHT RAIL CORRIDOR. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA BE OPENING THE SILVER LINE SOON, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT HERE, UH, PRETTY SOON, UM, WITHIN THE PRESENTATION. BUT WE HAVE, UM, ROUTES 2 38 AND TWO 50 ARE THE TOP PERFORMERS WITH OUR HIGHEST RATE RIDERSHIP GAINS IN THE MONTH OF APRIL COMPARED TO APRIL OF LAST YEAR. AND WE HAVE STRONG GROWTH OVERALL COMPARED TO, UH, OUR 200, OUR 200 SERIES ROUTES IN GENERAL, UM, ACROSS OUR SERVICE AREA. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND JUST HOW IMPORTANT BUS SERVICE HAS BEEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY LIVE IN RICHARDSON, BUT ALSO TRAVEL TO RICHARDSON FROM OTHER LOCATIONS OR, UH, LIVE IN RICHARDSON AND ARE TRAVELING TO OTHER LOCATIONS FOR WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WE'RE PROUD OF THAT. WE'RE PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON BECAUSE WE THINK THAT RICHARDSON IS A, A GREAT, UM, TEST BED FOR A LOT OF, UH, UH, SERVICES AND TO SEE HOW PEOPLE REALLY CAN USE TRANSIT WHEN YOU PROVIDE ENOUGH OF IT. THE EAST TELECOM GOLINK SERVICE, UM, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. UH, I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF I'VE SHOWN YOU ALL HEAT MAPS OF GOLINK SERVICE IN THE PAST. UM, I KNOW I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES, BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, UM, FOR THE GOLINK, UH, THE, THE MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE, YOU'LL SEE THE BIG RED.IN THE UPPER LEFT, WHICH IS THE CITY LINE BUSH STATION, UM, WHERE IT'S RED OR ORANGE OR YELLOW. UM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT MORE ACTIVITY GOING ON. AND THEN YOU SEE SOME SPOTS, SOME GREEN SPOTS IN THERE THAT ARE DARKER OR LIGHTER. UM, AND THE GREEN KIND OF DOTS, UM, ARE SHOWING OTHER AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING THE GO LINK SERVICE. AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DEMONSTRATE HERE IS THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF DESTINATIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE USING OUR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE, BUT THERE'S A HUGE CONCENTRATION OF MICRO TRANSIT USE CONNECTING TO AND GOING FROM, UH, THE CITY LINE, BUSH STATE STATION. AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW PEOPLE ARE USING MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE. AND IT, IT IS REALLY FOR THAT FIRST LAST MILE CONNECTION BECAUSE WHOEVER'S USING GOLINK IS PROBABLY GOING FROM ANY ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS, UM, OR TO ANY ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS, BUT MAY BE TAKING LIGHT RAIL AS SOME PART OF THEIR TRIP. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME, UH, SOME IMPORTANT DESTINATIONS, OBVIOUSLY SOME BUSINESS PARKS. UM, WE HAVE A GROCERY STORE IN THERE. UM, THERE'S A MEDICAL FACILITY. SO THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF SERVICES AND, AND EMPLOYMENT CENTERS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO, AND AGAIN, CONNECTING THROUGH THE, THE CITY LINE BUSH STATION. AS FAR AS RIDERSHIP TRENDS ARE CONCERNED IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE SECTION OF, UM, OF THIS CHART HERE, AND THEN MOVING TO THE RIGHT, PRETTY EVEN. UM, WE'RE SEEING THAT RIDERSHIP GROWTH IS STARTING TO LEVEL OFF IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. UM, IT'S NOT LEVELING EVERYWHERE, BUT, UM, SOME PLACES HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GROWTH, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS GROWTH, BUT WE'RE STILL GROWING JUST NOT AT THE SAME PACE THAT WE WERE AS WE CAME OUT OF THE PANDEMIC. UM, YOU [00:25:01] CAN SEE HERE, UM, IN THE YELLOW THAT, UH, THAT IS OUR BUS RIDERSHIP COMPARED TO THE RED, WHICH IS THE LIGHT RAIL RIDERSHIP. SO THE PREDOMINANT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT, OR THAT DART, UH, PROVIDES HERE IN RICHARDSON IS ACTUALLY ON THE BUS SIDE, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY IS JUST, UM, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. IF YOU PROVIDE A LOT MORE BUS SERVICE, PEOPLE WILL USE IT. UM, AND BUS IS A GREAT, UH, MODE BECAUSE IT DOES ACTUALLY CONNECT PEOPLE TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS. THIS, UH, THIS AGAIN, IS AN EYE CHART, BUT, UM, I, I LOVE SHOWING THIS CHART BECAUSE IT HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AND WHERE THEY'RE, UM, WHERE, WHERE THE PREDOMINANT DESTINATIONS ARE ON, UH, DART, UH, SERVICES, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER COMING OR GOING FROM RICHARDSON. UM, IF YOU LOOK IN THE, UH, VERTICAL GREEN LINE TOWARDS THE RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THERE'S ABOUT, I CAN'T READ IT FROM HERE, BUT IT, AND I CAN'T EVEN READ IT ON MY OWN CHART HERE, BUT IT'S ABOUT 50, OVER 53% OF, UM, WRITERS IN RICHARDSON ARE GOING TO DALLAS. UM, AND SO WE TALK A LOT ABOUT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING TRANSIT ARE NOT JUST STAYING WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN ONLY JUST GOING TO GARLAND OR PLANO. THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY GOING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS. UM, THERE'S ABOUT, UM, UH, SO IT'S SEVEN AND 10% GOING TO GARLAND AND PLANO. UM, 24% OF THE TRIPS REMAIN WITHIN RICHARDSON, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT NUMBER BECAUSE IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE AMOUNT OF TRANSIT YOU HAVE HERE IN, IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. UM, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING SERVICES. BUT AS, AS CHAIR SLAGEL MENTIONED, WE ARE CONDUCTING, STARTING TONIGHT A SERIES OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL SERVICE CHANGES. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF DRIVERS TO THE SERVICE CHANGES THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW. UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, CHAIR SCHLAGEL MENTIONED THE GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE 5%, UH, OF OUR SALES TAX REVENUE. UH, THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS, UM, KIND OF, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE GEOGRAPHIC EQUITY, UH, QUESTION THAT THE EY STUDY PRESENTED TO US. UM, THERE ARE ALSO NEW SERVICE REQUESTS FROM, UH, A NUMBER OF THE CITIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE DOLLARS FOR. AND THEN, UM, THE SILVER LINE IS ACTUALLY OPENING EARLIER THAN WE PROJECTED. UM, AND SO THERE'S A COST TO THE ADDITIONAL MONTHS OF SERVICE THAT WE WOULD BE OPERATING ON THE SILVER LINE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS THAT EVERY CITY AND GOVERNMENT DEAL WITH, WHICH ARE THE INCREASING, UH, INFLATIONARY COST PRESSURES THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCE ON ANY, ANY NUMBER OF OUR SERVICES. AND SO WE HAVE 16 COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THE CALENDAR. THE FIRST ONE IN RICHARDSON, OR THE ONE IN RICHARDSON, I SHOULD SAY, IS ON WEDNESDAY. IT'LL BE HELD RIGHT HERE IN CITY HALL. UM, AND SO WE ARE REALLY ASKING THE PUBLIC TO COME AND TELL US WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE SO THAT STAFF CAN COBBLE TOGETHER A, A RECOMMENDATION, UM, AS IT RELATES TO OUR BUDGET SO THAT THE BOARD CAN GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR FY 26 BUDGET. SO I'M GONNA PIVOT TO SOME INITIATIVES, SOME MAJOR INITIATIVES. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE, UM, THESE ARE INVESTMENTS, RIGHT? THESE ARE LONG, LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE TO REALLY CONTINUE ON THAT PATH TO BECOME A REAL ASSET FOR ALL OF OUR CITIES. AND SO THE FIRST KIND OF BIG ONE THAT WE HAVE IS CALLED THE DART TRANSFORM PROGRAM. THIS IS OUR SYSTEM MODERNIZATION PROGRAM. UM, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, ADDRESS STATE OF GOOD REPAIR. UM, SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS, I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT RECAPITALIZATION AND REHABILITATION OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, UM, YOU MAY KNOW THAT OUR OLDEST SLIGHT RAIL LINE IS REACHING 30 YEARS, WHICH MEANS THAT OUR OLDEST SLIGHT RAIL VEHICLES ARE ALSO 30 YEARS OLD. UM, OUR BUS VEHICLES ARE ABOUT, UM, THEY'RE ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT. AND, UM, BUSES AND RAIL VEHICLES HAVE DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT USEFUL LIFE BUSES USUALLY LAST 12 TO 15 YEARS. UM, A LOT OF AGENCIES, UH, KEEP THEM GOING TILL ABOUT 18 YEARS. NOT A GOOD IDEA. UM, RAIL VEHICLES USUALLY HAVE A 25 TO 30 YEAR LIFESPAN. AND SO WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING TO, UM, IMPROVE OUR, UH, OUR ROLLING STOCK OR OUR FLEET. AND, UM, AND ALONG WITH THAT COMES SOME UPDATES TO OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITIES, OUR PLATFORMS. UM, WE WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MODERNIZE OUR SIGNAL SYSTEM ON THE LIGHT RAIL SIDE AND UNIFY IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE ON, ON ALL FOUR LINES. UM, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, RESILIENCY FOR, UH, SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS. AND SO I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ICE AND ICE STORMS, I'M TALKING ABOUT HEAT, UH, EXCESSIVE HEAT. IF YOU CAN IMAGINE. UH, RAIL IS MADE OUT OF STEEL, AND SO, UM, STEEL, OF COURSE, ANY METAL EXPANDS AND CONTRACTS WITH THE WEATHER. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNDER ANY, ANY TYPES OF WEATHER CONDITIONS. [00:30:01] I MENTIONED THE FLEET. UH, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE 476 BUSES ALREADY ON ORDER. THE FIRST OF THEM WILL START TO BE DELIVERED, UH, NEXT YEAR. UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THEM IN, IN ANTICIPATION OF THE WORLD CUP GAMES THAT ARE COMING IN THE JUNE, JULY TIMEFRAME NEXT YEAR. AND THEN, UM, PROBABLY, UH, LATER THIS YEAR, WE'RE GONNA BE ISSUING AN RFP TO PROCURE OUR NEWEST LIGHT RAIL VEHICLES. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE DELIVERED IN ABOUT, I THINK, THE 2028 TIMEFRAME. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, AND JUST A LITTLE PREVIEW, UH, WE WILL BE HAVING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THE INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE VEHICLES SO THAT WE CAN GET PUBLIC INPUT ON, ON WHAT MAKES THEM EXCITED ABOUT THE INSIDE OF THE VEHICLES IN TERMS OF VIEW PLANES AND, AND JUST COMFORT, SECURITY PLACES TO PUT THEIR THINGS. UM, WE JUST REALLY WANNA GET THEIR INPUT ON THAT. ANOTHER BIG INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS THE CORRIDOR OPTIMIZATION AND RIDER EXPERIENCE PROGRAM. THIS IS REALLY A PROGRAM FOCUSED ON THE BUS SIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY PEOPLE DON'T PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, WHERE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC PARTNERS WITH US AND REALLY EXPERIMENTING WITH WAYS THAT WE CAN OPTIMIZE OUR BUS SYSTEM AND SPEED UP THE BUSES THROUGH THE STREETS IN RICHARDSON. I THINK WE'RE REALLY, REALLY, UH, REALLY ENGAGED AND INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER TO, UM, TO MAKE THE BUS RIDER EXPERIENCE THE BEST IT CAN BE. UM, THIS PROGRAM HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO IT. UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, OF COURSE, IT'S VERY SMALL. YOU PROBABLY CAN'T READ IT, BUT , UM, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE PRESENTATION WITH YOU IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE IT IN HARD COPY. BUT, UM, THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE UNDER THE CORE PROGRAM ARE THINGS LIKE TRANSIT SIGNAL, PRIORITY QUEUE JUMPS, OR SPECIAL BUS LANES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE NOT EVERYWHERE. UM, BUT ALSO WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WAITING EXPERIENCE. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUS STOPS AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT OUR RIDERS HAVE AT OUR BUS STOPS. UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUS STOP, IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A POLE IN THE GRASSY LAWN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB, BUT WE WANNA ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THERE'S A, A CONCRETE PAD THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S NOT STANDING OUT THERE IN WET GRASS OR SOMETIMES MUD. UM, IT ALSO INVOLVES LOOKING AT OUR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO ALL OF OUR BUS FACILITIES, BUS STOPS, AND OUR, OUR STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE GOOD ACCESS, AND SO WE WANNA WORK WITH THE CITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE IMPROVE THE ACCESS TO AND AROUND OUR BUS STOPS. GETTING ONTO SILVER LINE. UM, OF COURSE, YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SILVER LINE, 26 MILE CORRIDOR, 10 STATIONS, UH, SEVEN CITIES. UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SILVER LINE. UM, HERE'S A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE. UM, WE HAVE OVER 90 PER 95% OF THE GUIDEWAY CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES ALREADY COMPLETE. AND, UM, IN APRIL WE STARTED CONNECTING, OR WE GOT, UH, WE FINISHED CONNECTING ALL OF THE TRACK FROM END TO END. SO WE NOW HAVE A FULL 26 MILE, UH, CORRIDOR, UH, THAT'S OPERATIONAL. UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE QUIET ZONES PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. ALSO, WE EXPECT QUIET ZONES TO GO INTO EFFECT SOMETIME, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH. AND, UM, LET'S SEE, I LOST MY SPOT. OKAY, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE TESTING, UM, OUR POSITIVE TRAIN CONTROL SYSTEM AND OUR, UH, STATIONS STATION COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT OVER THE COMING MONTHS. UM, AND, AND WHAT'S REALLY EXCITING IS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO STAFF UP OUR OPERATORS AND CONDUCTORS TO, UH, REALLY OPERATE THIS SERVICE. SO, UH, IT TAKES OVER 160 HOURS OF TRAINING, UM, IN THE OPERATOR'S CHAIR TO BE CERTIFIED IN THE RAILROAD. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU SEE TRAINS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THE CORRIDOR, BUT EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WELL, WHEN IS IT GONNA OPEN? UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF MONTHS OF REQUIRED TESTING BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO REVENUE SERVICE. NOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE ARE GOING TO BE ANNOUNCING THE START DATE. UM, IT'S ALL PART OF THE, OUR FY 26 BUDGET CONVERSATION AS WELL. BUT, UM, YOU CAN EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. AND THAT'S ABOUT AS SPECIFIC AS I CAN GET RIGHT NOW. UM, THIS IS THE, OF COURSE, THE, UH, ARCH BRIDGE THAT WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL APPLICATION HERE AND, AND KIND OF AN ART PIECE. UM, WE ARE TARGETING FALL OF 2026 FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE STRUCTURES HERE. UM, WE ARE, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE FOUNDATIONS AND COLUMNS OUTSIDE OF THE COLUMN STRUCTURES. AND TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, WE'LL BE SWITCHING TO NIGHT WORK, UM, THAT REALLY WILL REQUIRE A NUMBER OF LANE CLOSURES THAT ARE COORDINATED WITH TXDOT, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE BUILD THOSE MEDIAN COLUMNS AND FOUNDATIONS. AND SO WE ANTICIPATE SETTING THE ARCHES IN THE SPRING AND NEXT YEAR, AND WE'LL BE, UH, FINISHING OUT THE TRIM AND LIGHTING, UH, LIGHTING, UH, PACKAGES, UM, PROBABLY NEXT SUMMER. SO, UM, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A BIG, UM, CELEBRATION WHEN THAT, [00:35:01] WHEN THAT BRIDGE IS DONE, IN ADDITION TO BUILDING A SILVER LINE PROJECT, WE'RE, UH, CONSTRUCTING, UM, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COGS REGIONAL TRAIL THAT PARALLELS THE SILVER LINE ALIGNMENT. AND, UM, THE DART BOARD AWARDED THE CONSTRUCTION CO CONTRACT FOR PHASE TWO OF THIS TRAIL EARLIER IN THE SPRING. UM, THIS PHASE PHASE WILL LARGELY SPAN FROM ADDISON TO PLANO, AND IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION. UM, CONSTRUCTION ON THE ALIGNMENT BEGINS THIS WEEK IN RICHARDSON. SO, UH, LISTED ON THE SCREEN ARE SOME AN ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION DATES FOR THE BRIDGE STRUCTURES. WE ANTICIPATE THOSE FINISHING UP IN EARLY 2027. I ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FANTASTIC SPACES. UM, THIS IS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL. UM, WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WORK WITH THE CITY ON DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY, ALL OF OUR CITIES. UM, OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RICHARDSON, BUT RICHARDSON IS ALWAYS THE MODEL, IN MY OPINION. UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, THE USE OF SPACE IN THAT MIDDLE PHOTOGRAPH, THAT'S THE LINEAR PARK FROM ABOVE. UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY THAT WE WERE HERE FOR THE OPENING OF THAT LINEAR PARK. AND IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SPACE, UM, AND, AND SUCH A WONDERFUL AMENITY FOR THE CITY. UM, AND WE WERE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE CITY, UH, TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I ALWAYS SAY RICHARDSON'S SUCH A MODEL, . UM, SO THE TOP PHOTOS HERE ARE, ARE ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN RICHARDSON, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTED AS PART OF OUR, UM, TOD PORTFOLIO ALONG WITH THE CITY. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE THE OTHER TWO THAT ARE COMING AT ARAPAHOE CENTER AND, AND UT DALLAS. UM, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING TO SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY GET INTERESTED PARTIES HERE TO, UM, TO MAKE BETTER USE OF THE SPACE, BECAUSE PARKING LOTS ARE GREAT, BUT, UM, BUT GREAT DEVELOPMENT'S EVEN BETTER. UM, WE MENTIONED EARLIER THE TURS, UH, TURS ILA THAT'S COMING YOUR WAY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MAP OF, UM, A PROPERTY TAX TURS THAT CURRENTLY COVERS ALMOST 900 ACRES. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON A SALES TAX THAT COULD ACTUALLY ACTIVATE THE SPACE, UM, AND MAYBE, UH, HAVE IT COME ONLINE EVEN FASTER. WE'RE HOPING. SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING EXCITING HAPPENS AT THE ARAPAHOE PARK AND RIDE. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO US. UM, AGAIN, I, I'VE SAID THIS A MILLION TIMES ALREADY, BUT CITY OF RICHARDSON HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT PARTNER WITH DART. UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU FEEL THAT, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND YOUR CITY, THAT, THAT THE, IN THE, THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE MADE WITH US, UM, TO MAKE DAR GREAT AND TO MAKE YOUR CITY GREAT THAT IT'S PAYING OFF. UM, WE HAVE, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE WORKING ON THE CITY AREA PLANS. IF YOU, EXCUSE ME, YOU MAY RECALL IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE AREA PLANS WAS WORKING WITH THE CITIES TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT, UH, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO MAXIMIZE AND, AND ELEVATE TRANSIT TO BE A CAPACITY ADD TO YOUR CITY STREETS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, CITY AREA PLAN IS, IS REALLY LOOKING WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE INCREASE MOBILITY ON TRANSIT WITHIN THE CITY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, INCREASING THE THROUGHPUT FOR PEOPLE MOVEMENT, UM, ON YOUR CITY STREETS, MAKING TRANSIT A LOT MORE EASY TO USE AND A LOT MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY. AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE HELPING RELIEVE OR ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONGESTION THAT YOU ALL WILL BE FACING AS WE ALL CONTINUE TO GROW IN POPULATION. SO, UM, WE'RE EXCITED. WE'RE, UM, OUR LAST, UH, REVIEW ON, ON THE RICHARDSON AREA PLAN WAS IN MAY. AND SO WE'RE EXCITED TO START, UM, SEEING WHAT WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO FUTURE, FUTURE INVESTMENTS SO THAT WE CAN START TO EXECUTE ON THOSE WISHES, UM, THAT WE WORKED ON WITH THE CITY. AND SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE, UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS MIGHT TURN IN. OH, YES, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, , THERE WAS A LIGHT ON, BUT IT WASN'T FOR THAT MAYOR. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT IT. WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. MS. LEE AND, AND MAYOR SLAGEL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. A A GREAT PRESENTATION FOR CERTAIN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. NADINE, GARY, THANK YOU FOR AN INVIGORATING PRESENTATION. AND, AND, AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN ON THE SILVER LIGHT. MOVING THAT UP IS, I KNOW INSTRUMENTAL AND, AND I'M SURE VERY WELCOMING, WELCOMING, UM, MR. SLAGEL, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I JUST WONDER, JUST FOR THE VIEWERS, COULD YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE TIRZ AND THE ILA, HOW THAT WORKS TOGETHER? SO, UH, TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF CLARITY? YEAH. UM, [00:40:02] THAT IS, THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER, AS I MENTIONED, TO HELP CITIES. UM, MAYBE YOU, MAYBE WE COULD COME TOGETHER WITH AN AT HOME, SO TO SPEAK, AGREEMENT. AND, UM, WE HAD AT THE TIME THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, OR, OR THE RTC AGREEING TO HELP US FUND THE OFFSET WHEN IF WE TOOK IN OTHER, OUR, OUR IDEA WHEN WE CREATED THAT ILA WAS NOT TO, IN FACT, OR THAT RESOLUTION, WAS NOT TO, UM, CUT SERVICE. IT WAS CONTINUED SERVICE, BUT FIND MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FUNDS BACK TO THE CITIES. THOSE WHO WERE DONORS BASED ON THE STON YOUNG STUDY. THE RTC WAS WILLING TO DO THAT UNTIL DURING OUR NEGOTIATION THAT WE HAD, UH, WITH THE CITIES THAT THEY SORT OF MANAGED THE, THE RELATIONSHIP OR THE, THE, THAT THAT WORK. WE, WE CONCLUDED, WE WERE TOLD BY THE CITIES WHO WERE ON THE SIDE OF, WE, WE WANNA SUPPORT THE BILL, THAT THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE BILL THAN ANYTHING WE HAD TO OFFER. SO IT SORT OF LEFT US WITH THAT. AND MICHAEL, THEN THE RTC PERSON SAYING, UH, THERE'S NO MONEY TO SUPPORT YOU IF YOU, IF, IF, IF YOU CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITIES, THEN IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR ME TO GO TO THE RTC AND ASK FOR MONEY TO FILL THE GAP. SO WE ARE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE STUDIES. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, ARE DOING THE, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SERVICE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DELIVER WHAT THE CUTS WOULD NEED TO BE TO MAKE THAT 5% WORK. AND IT'S A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE. YEAH. AND, UH, NOT A, NOT SOMETHING WE HAD IN MIND WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID THAT RESOLUTION, BUT NOW WE, WHERE WE ARE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE INDEPENDENT OF THAT. WE'RE STILL DOING THE TOURS, UM, OPPORTUNITY, WHICH IS A WAY TO TAKE MONEY, FUTURE MONEY, EARN MONEY GENERATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN, AND RETURN THAT TO THE CITY. SO THAT HELPS FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE QUITE A BIT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE RESOLUTION HAD SAID. SO WE ARE, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH OUR, WITH THE DART BOARD, AS NADINE SAID, WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS BECAUSE WE NEED A BUDGET FOR 2026. OH, YEAH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL BEING WORKED RIGHT NOW. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BELIEVE ME. I, IT'S, IT'S AN INVALUABLE, UH, COMMODITY THAT WE NEED AND HAVE TO HAVE FOR OUR CITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, CHAIRMAN SEGEL. NADINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION FOR VISITING US, VISITING US. AGAIN, I KNOW SOMETHING I'VE SAID, AND I KNOW I'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE DIOCESE SAY AS WELL, IS THAT ONE THING SAY ABOUT DART IS WHEN WE HAVE BROUGHT THINGS TO YOUR ATTENTION OR HAD QUESTIONS, YOU'VE BEEN JOHNNY ON THE SPOT, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS OR WORK WITH US. SO WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP. QUICK SHOUT OUT, I KNOW IT WAS A, I DON'T KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO AGO, I VISITED A, UH, BIKE RADIO. THE CITY WAS HELPING SPONSOR HERE IN TOWN, UM, AT OVER AT HEIGHTS PARK, AND YOU DART HAD A NICE TENT, UH, OVER THERE AND YOU HAD A DART EMPLOYEE THERE PROVIDE INFORMATION. SO WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT THERE WAS A GREAT TURNOUT AND Y'ALL WERE A PART OF THAT. SO THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUESTION. UM, I KNOW I'VE ASKED THIS IN THE PAST, SO ASKING AGAIN, UM, I KNOW, I THINK TWO VISITS AGO I ASKED ABOUT CLEANLINESS ON DART. I KNOW Y'ALL WERE ROLLING OUT SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THE SEATS. AND BY THE WAY, GREAT CHANGE ON THAT. I'VE, UH, RIDDEN, UM, A FEW TIMES SINCE THEN, AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCE YOU GUYS HAVE MADE THERE AND THE POSITIVE CHANGE THERE. ANY MOVEMENT FORWARD TOWARDS SOME OF THE STATIONS AROUND SAFETY? UH, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE WORKING ON SOME STUFF INCREASING, I BELIEVE OFFICERS ON TRAINS, UH, LAST TIME WE SPOKE. CAN YOU SPEAK TOWARDS KIND OF SAFETY AROUND SOME OF THE STATIONS AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IN THAT REGARD, UH, AND WHAT'S MIGHT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON NOW? YEAH, SO, UM, I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER LIKE WHEN IT WAS THAT I ACTUALLY CAME TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A CRAZY SIX MONTHS. UM, SO, UM, SAFETY, SECURITY, UM, I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SECURITY, UM, JUST TO DISTINGUISH SECURITY FROM OP OPERATIONAL SAFETY. SO, UM, SECURITY ON THE SYSTEM. AS YOU MAY RECALL, [00:45:01] WE ADDED A HUNDRED TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS TO OUR SYSTEM. THEY ARE CONTRACTED, THEY ARE ARMED. UM, AND THEY, UH, KIND OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THEY PATROL THE STATIONS AND THEY PATROL THE, UH, LIGHT RAIL VEHICLES AND, AND CERTAINLY THE BUSES AS WELL. AND OUR BUS TRANSFER CENTERS. SO, UH, A HUNDRED OFFICERS IN ADDITION TO OUR 200 OR SO, UM, UH, SWORN OFFICERS ON THE DART POLICE FORCE. AND THEN THE FOUR, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, IT'S AROUND 50, UH, FAIR ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT ALSO CHECK FAIRES AND, AND, UM, AND WALK AROUND AND ENGAGE THE CUSTOMERS. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PERSONNEL FOR VISIBLE PRESENCE ON THE SYSTEM. UM, STILL CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR MULTIDISCIPLINARY RESPONSE TEAMS WHO ARE INTERCEPTING PEOPLE WHO APPEAR TO BE IN COGNITIVE CRISIS AND, UM, MAY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE. AND SO, UM, OUR RECENT NUMBERS IN TERMS OF SECURITY ARE, UM, ARE CONCERNED. UM, WE, WE HAVE, UM, WE TYPICALLY, HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD EMERGENCY DETENTION AS OUR NUMBER ONE ARREST CATEGORY. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY NOW I THINK NUMBER THREE ON OUR ARREST CATEGORY, WHICH IS AN IMPROVEMENT. UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DETAIN PEOPLE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN CRISIS AS MUCH AS WE DID BEFORE. AND THAT'S DUE TO THE INTERVENTIONS OF THE MULTIDISCIPLINARY RESPONSE TEAM. I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT OF THOSE TEAMS OUT ON THE SYSTEM ON ANY GIVEN DAY. SO IT'S, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, BEING PILOTED. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE. UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE, OR LIKE IN THE PILOT YEAR, THE FIRST YEAR OF IT, WE WERE FOCUSED MOSTLY ON THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE OUR RESOURCES WERE COMING FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS. UM, BUT NOW THAT DALLAS, UM, DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE IS NO LONGER PART OF THAT PROGRAM, UH, WE'RE EXPANDING IT OUT TO THE REST OF THE SYSTEM. AND SO I THINK WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO SHARE THOSE RESOURCES ACROSS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AT THIS POINT. UM, AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL PARTNERS ALSO, UM, THOSE WHO ARE IN THE HEALTHCARE COMMUNITY, MENTAL HEALTH, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENGAGE THEM. UM, WE HAD PARAMEDICS WORKING WITH US BEFORE, UM, MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS WORKING WITH US BEFORE. SO, UM, WE'RE, WE WANNA CONTINUE THOSE EFFORTS. UM, AND I MENTIONED, I KNOW I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE ALSO HAD OUR CLEAN TEAMS THAT WERE WORKING ON OUR SYSTEM AS WELL, CLEANING UP IN REAL TIME. UM, WE HAVE CONTINUED THAT PROGRAM. WE ABSORBED THAT INTO OUR REGULAR OPERATIONS BUDGET, AND SO THAT WILL CONTINUE ON, UM, HOPEFULLY FOREVER. UM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE RESOURCES TO DO THAT. AND I HAVE NOTICED THAT CLEAN TEAMS AS WELL. I'VE RUN INTO 'EM A COUPLE TIMES AND GREAT JOB. YEAH. AND I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU EVER CEASE, YOU KNOW, UH, TRASH CAN THAT APPEARS TO BE OVERFLOWING, PLEASE CALL US RIGHT AWAY. WE WILL GET SOMEBODY ON IT. WE TRY TO MAKE SURE WE MONITOR THOSE THINGS, BUT ON OCCASION, WE DO MISS, SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE CALLS. UH, YOU CAN CALL ME, YOU CAN CALL, UH, MR. SLAGEL, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN ALSO PROVIDE THE, UH, PHONE NUMBER FOR OUR, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE OF WAY FOLKS. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. OH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY ADINE THANK YOU FOR FIRST THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR KIND OF COORDINATING EVERYTHING IN AUSTIN AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT FOR NOW. AND SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I WANNA SAY IT'S JUST BEEN, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE GETTING TO KNOW YOU AND THE REST OF DART STAFF, UH, MAYOR SLAGEL YOU AS WELL. I MEAN, JUST THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, UM, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING REALLY CRITICAL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE CI CITIES THAT WERE UP THERE ADVOCATING ETTE, GLEN HEIGHTS DALLAS, AND RICHARDSON ADVOCATING, UM, ON BEHALF OF DART RICHARDSON'S, THE ONLY ONE THAT ACCORDING TO THAT MUCH VAUNTED EY STUDY, IS ACTUALLY PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO DART THAN WE'RE TAKING OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT US BEING DOWN THERE AND ADVOCATING WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE MADE SUCH AN INVESTMENT IN ALL OF OUR DART STATIONS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEFORE YOU KNOW, THIS TOUR PROGRAM, RIGHT? AND WE, I KNOW WE JUST EXPECT TO SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT OUT OF THAT EVEN FAR INTO THE FUTURE THAT WILL REALLY FLIP THOSE NUMBERS, RIGHT. IN ADDITION, UTD IS JUST SO DEPENDENT ON DART. SO THIS IS REALLY, I MEAN, FOR A CITY, FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, I MEAN, WHAT Y'ALL PROVIDE AND Y'ALL'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE IT EFFECTIVELY AND, UM, AT A, AT A SORT OF A CONSTANT CLIP OF BUSES AND, AND TRAINS COMING IN IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, UM, JUST FROM AN ECONOMIC VITALITY STANDPOINT. SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT, ALL THAT SAID, I MEAN, I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT NOW THAT WE'RE PAST IT, RIGHT, WE'RE PAST THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, YOU GUYS KEPT THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS THAT 5% THAT YOU'RE GIVING BACK, UM, I THINK, I KNOW IT'S GONNA CAUSE A, A COUPLE CUTS, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL TO KEEP US FROM HAVING TO GO BACK TO AUSTIN AGAIN. UM, THE TOURS, I, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THAT'S COMING ON BOARD. I THINK THAT [00:50:01] THAT IS A REALLY GOOD WAY FOR US TO SOLVE A LOT OF THE SORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPLAINTS THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, US AND OTHER CITIES THAT ARE PART OF DART HAVE HAD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY MY, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO FOR, FOR THE CITIES THAT DID ISSUE RESOLUTIONS, DO Y'ALL HAVE SORT OF AN ENHANCED COMMUNICATION GAME PLAN WITH THEM? OR WHAT ARE WE GONNA KIND OF DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IN TWO YEARS WE'RE NOT BACK IN THE SAME SITUATION? BECAUSE I LOVE GOING DOWN TO AUSTIN TO DEFEND DART, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF OTHER ANTI CITY BILLS THAT I WOULD'VE RATHER BEEN DOWN THERE SPENDING MY TIME ON. RIGHT. SO, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST ELABORATE ON ANY OF THAT, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD REALLY HELP. YEAH. UH, DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA START GARY? YEAH, LET ME, LET ME DO THAT. FIRST OF ALL, AS I SAID, THE 5% THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO THAT. MM-HMM . AND, AND NADINE HAS SOME SLIDES THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO THAT TONIGHT, BUT, BUT IT TAKES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SERVICE AWAY. MM-HMM . FROM, AND FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEADWAY TIME, THE HOW QUICKLY IS THAT TRAIN OR THAT BUS GOING TO ARRIVE? YOU KNOW, THE SILVER LINE WOULD RUN ON AN HOUR, UH, IN PEAK TIMES WOULD GO FROM A HALF AN HOUR TO AN HOUR. SO IT'S A COST. YEAH. AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT WORTH THAT TO DO THIS? IS THERE ANOTHER, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE SHOULD BE DOING? WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL MAKE THE SAME ROUND OF MEETINGS AGAIN MM-HMM . BUT THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED TRANSIT 2.0, WHICH THE RTC IS PAID FOR IN ADVANCING. AND IN MY OPINION, WHAT THAT ASKS US TO DO IS BUILD A SYSTEM ACROSS BOUNDARIES OF CITIES THAT AREN'T IN DART AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE EVERYBODY, THE WHOLE REGION BE A PART OF IT, AND AT THE SAME TIME, PERHAPS REDUCING SOME MONEY THAT, THAT THE CITIES HAVE TO PAY IN. MM-HMM . NOW THAT MEANS IT MAY TAKE SOME STATE PARTICIPATION. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND PROBABLY SIX MONTHS, MAYBE NINE MONTHS OUT. BUT IF WE CAN'T COME TO SOME RESOLUTION WITH THOSE CITIES, WE WILL BE BACK IN AUSTIN. AND WE DON'T WANNA BE BACK IN AUSTIN BECAUSE IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO. OUR POPULATION IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY, AND WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TRANSIT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THAT. SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. SO YEAH, WE'RE WORKING IT, WE'RE WORKING IT HARD, WE'RE WORKING IT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, UH, THE 11TH, WHICH IS THURSDAY, I GUESS MICHAEL MORRIS WILL PRESENT A SORT OF A FIRST OUT OF THE BOX, LOOK AT WHAT 2.0 MIGHT DO, AND THEN WE'LL THEN WE'LL HAVE WORKING GROUPS WITH THE CITIES AND LEGISLATORS, AND WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA BE ALL OVER THIS THING TO GET IT RESOLVED. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT, THE REGION'S NOT IN A GOOD PLACE. IF WE HAVE CITIES WHO DON'T THINK WE'RE OFFERING WHAT NEEDS TO BE OFFERED, WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THAT. YEP. WELL, THANK YOU. I MEAN, SAY YOUR TURN MY TURN. YEAH. WELL, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DART IS INTERESTED IN DOING IS, UM, WORKING WITH THE NCT COG AND THE RTC TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE INCREASE THE REVENUES ACROSS THE REGION, RIGHT? INCREASE THE REVENUES FOR THE DART SERVICE AREA AND THE CITIES IN THE SERVICE AREA, UH, INCREASING THE REVENUES ACROSS ALL OF THE CITIES IN THE REGION, WHETHER THEY'RE A MEMBER OF DART OR NOT. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IDEA OF, UM, TRANSFERRING COSTS FROM, YOU KNOW, OR REVENUES FROM ONE ENTITY'S BOTTOM LINE TO ANOTHER ENTITY'S BOTTOM LINE DOESN'T ACTUALLY INCREASE THE POT. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THE POT OR EXPAND THE PIE AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW IT GETS DISTRIBUTED. BECAUSE IN A REGION THAT'S GROWING AS RAPIDLY AS, AS THE NORTH TEXAS METROPLEX, I THINK IT'S, UM, A LITTLE SHORTSIGHTED TO TRY TO JUST ASSUME THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA RETAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE. I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A REALITY RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE ARE CREATIVE WAYS THAT I THINK WE CAN, UM, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO IMPLEMENT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE. AND PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY INCREASING THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY DART WAS SO INTERESTED IN, IN WORKING ON THIS TURS CONCEPT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN ACTIVATE SOME OF THE LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY EMPTY OR, OR, YOU KNOW, USED UP WITH A PARKING LOT , UM, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN START TO GENERATE THAT REVENUE THAT WILL MAKE ALL OF OUR CITIES BETTER. UM, AND I THINK THE CITIES THAT HAVE DART ARE IN THE BEST POSITION TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, NO, YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN Y'ALL COME BACK AFTER ALL YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, YOU [00:55:01] KNOW, ENLIGHTEN, MAYBE SAVE THE SLIDES FOR THEN AND ENLIGHTEN US ON, UH, ENLIGHTEN US ON SORT OF THE, THE TRADE OFF THAT IT WOULD TAKE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WHATEVER THAT TRADE OFF IS FOR 5%, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THE 25%. IF THAT COMES BACK AT 2027, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT, I GUESS FIVE TIMES MORE DEVASTATING THAN WHENEVER THE 5% IS FOR SURE. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT 5% IS STILL, UH, IF, IF WE WERE TO TRULY DO THE FULL 5% SURE, IT'S STILL THE BIGGEST SERVICE CUT IN THE HISTORY OF DART. YEAH. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC IS LIKE, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IF WE HAVE TO DO THIS? UM, AND SO I DON'T EXPECT TO COME BACK UNBRED, OF COURSE. AND, UM, YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S A POWERFUL STATEMENT. I DO HAVE TWO MUCH, MUCH SMALLER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SURE. UM, JUST THE, THE FIRST ONE, UH, THERE'S A MAP ON ONE OF THESE SLIDES THAT SHOWS, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT SORT OF HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS ACCOMPANYING THE NEW SILVER LINE AND THE COTTON TRAIL. OKAY. YEP. THE COTTON BELT OR COTTON BELT REGIONAL TRAIL. AND THEN, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT DID THE GREEN, THE GREEN BARS MEAN? I TOOK DART UP THE PLANO AND I SAW IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT LOOKED AWESOME. UM, SO WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RED VERSUS JUST LIKE THE COMPLETELY GREEN ONES. DOES THAT MEAN THOSE ARE COMPLETE AT THIS POINT? UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. LET ME FIND OUT AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU, . OKAY, AWESOME. UM, I ACTUALLY, I HAVE NO IDEA. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, NO WORRIES. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TO KIND OF GO ON THE, THE THEME OF THE BASICS, RIGHT? WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, SECURITY AND CLEANLINESS UPDATES JUST AS FAR AS LIKE THE ACTUAL DART STATIONS GO. I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD FROM, I HEARD RECENTLY WHEN TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE PAST SIX MONTHS FROM SOMEONE WHO IS OTHERWISE AN SAL DART SUPPORTER, THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THE FAIR MACHINES AT, AT EVERY STATION. I MEAN, SO IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE SECURITY I CLEANLINESS ON THE TRAINS, JUST THE, THE GENERIC, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST OPERATION OF THE STATIONS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER INVESTMENT Y'ALL ARE PLANNING ON SINKING INTO THAT OR ANY SORT OF EXTRA PLANS THERE? IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SHOULD MENTION THE FAIR MACHINES UHHUH , BECAUSE I, I LITERALLY TOOK OUT THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT OUR NEW TICKET VENDING MACHINES. . OH, COOL. OKAY. WELL, AND, UM, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INSTALLING NEW TICKET VENDING MACHINES. OH, WONDERFUL. UM, SO I'LL GET YOU MORE DETAILS ON THAT. I DID NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE PRESENTATION, AND THEREFORE I DON'T HAVE THAT SLIDE WITH ME. IF YOU JUST GET IT OVER TO DON, HE'LL SEND IT OUT TO ALL OF US. YEAH, YEAH. I HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND, AND I WILL GET YOU AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE RED AND GREEN LINES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY BAFFLING ME RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND I COULD JUST TRY TO TAKE MY BIKE UP THERE AND GO THROUGH ANY CONSTRUCTION SITES AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. , , WHAT'S, I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S A REALLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION, BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME A LEGEND LIKE THEY USUALLY DO. SO COUNCIL MEMBER SHAEL SAYS IT MEANS IT'S DONE. SO YEAH. , YOU GIVE IT A SHOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. CHAIRMAN. HUTCH, ANDRAD. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, MAYOR NADINE, GARY, THANK YOU AS ALWAYS, REALLY ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENTATIONS. UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF TONIGHT, I, I TRIED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF, OF PERSONAL, IF YOU WILL, RECOGNIZANCE RESEARCH, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY THAT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME, AND I JUST, I JUST WANNA THROW OUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS A POSSIBLE IDEA FOR Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT, RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT CUTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IS A VERY STRONG ACTIVE, I'M GONNA, AND, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY MARKETING CAMPAIGN 'CAUSE I'M WAY OUTTA MY WHEELHOUSE WHEN I START TO TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU, YOU PROBABLY REALIZE, BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GOLINK SYSTEM AND ABOUT THE LAST, ABOUT THE LAST MILE, IF YOU WILL, OR THE LAST, THAT CONNECTION POINT FROM WHEREVER TO WHEREVER, UM, YOU KNOW, I I PEOPLE THAT I WOULD'VE EXPECTED TO KNOW ABOUT IT, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE OLD SAYING GOES, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. AND I THINK IF YOU COULD REALLY, UM, AND I'M JUST, I'M SPECIFICALLY, I PULLED UP THE SLIDE ON MY, MY PHONE TO LOOK AT IT. THE, THE EAST TELECOM GO LINK. UM, I, I, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED IS HOW FEW PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT DOES, HOW IT WORKS. BECAUSE WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WHENEVER I BRING UP THE ART IS, OH YEAH, WELL, IF I CAN GET OVER TO A TRAIN STATION, IF I CAN FIND WHERE THE BUS STOP IS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND I SAID, WELL, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT GOLINK? AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT'S THAT? AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY YOUR BEST KEPT SECRET. NOT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS A SECRET, BUT IT MAY VERY WELL BE YOUR BEST PART, BEST KEPT SECRET AS A PART OF YOUR SYSTEM. SO, A, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU SHOWED US THE, I THINK, I THINK YOU SHOWED US THE EAST TELECOM, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ONE ON THE WEST SIDE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THAT'S A GOAL LINK. AGAIN, A THOUGHT AS YOU TALK WITH THESE OTHER CITIES, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL YOU HAVE GOAL LINKS, BUT AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE AN IDEA TO, TO WORK THROUGH WITH THOSE CITIES. BECAUSE AGAIN, [01:00:01] IT, IT, WHEN I ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE UTILIZED GOLINK RIDERSHIP IS ACTUALLY, MY, MY OPINION IS, AND THIS IS, I REALIZE IT'S ALL OPINION BASED. RIDERSHIP ACTUALLY GOES UP 'CAUSE PEOPLE START TO USE, OR IF THEY'VE USED GOLINK AND THEY USE IT AND THEY CONNECT AND, AND DO ALL OF THAT, IT'S INCREDIBLY POWERFUL AND POSITIVE. SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS GET INTO THE, Y'ALL ARE FIGHTING BACK ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CUTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WELL, THIS IS ALREADY A SERVICE YOU HAVE. BUT I, I, I REALLY WONDER IF YOU, IF YOU WALKED INTO SOME OF THE TOWNS THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THE CUTS, WOULD THEY UNDERSTAND IF, IF YOU'RE OFFERING GOLINK SERVICES IN THEIR, IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, DO THEY UNDERSTAND IT? HAVE THEY GONE OUT AND TALKED TO THEIR CITIZENS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO I THROW THAT OUT AS A, I GUESS I'LL SAY AN ALTERNATIVE TO ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT CUTS, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD REALLY, UM, I'M NOT, UM, UM, CAPITALIZE ON IT, MAYBE IT'S THE RIGHT WORD. I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY POWERFUL, BUT I THINK IT'S YOUR, YOUR BEST KEPT SECRET. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND FOR, FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS. I ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO 'EM. THANKS. THANK YOU. I, UM, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT RAIL. SOME OF THEM MAY KNOW ABOUT BUS, UH, A LOT OF 'EM DON'T KNOW ABOUT GOLINK. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OBJECTIVE, I THINK IN THE FUTURE IS TO MAKE SURE WE LEVERAGE ALL OF THE MODES, RIGHT? BECAUSE ALL OF THE MODES HELP US MAKE THAT END-TO-END JOURNEY. AND SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON OUR END TO MAKE SURE, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE SERVICES ARE SERVICES THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR AND TO USE, AND THEN TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED UP IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT TOTAL JOURNEY EXPERIENCE. AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT EXAMPLES AROUND THE WORLD, UH, AND, UM, AND WE REALLY, WE ASPIRE TO BE AS GOOD AS THE EUROPES AND THE ASIAS OF THE WORLD WHERE WE THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE A SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE, UM, CAN RELY ON AND, AND FIND IT VERY CONVENIENT AND EASY TO USE. IF YOU ACTUALLY GO IN, AND I DID IT THIS WEEKEND JUST TO SEE IF YOU GO IN, IT'S GOTTA BE THE BEST BARGAIN IN TOWN TO GET FROM, FROM POINT A TO POINT B TO THEN GET ON A, ON A, ON A, ON ONE OF THE TRAINS OR A BUS OR, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLY, UM, COST EFFECTIVE, IF YOU WILL, AS COMPARED TO ANY OTHER MOBILITY TRANSPORTATION THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE FOR SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS, SHAUL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, UH, NADINE, AND THANK YOU MAYOR AND CHAIR SLAGEL FOR COMING. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN FEW TIMES. AND LAST TIME YOU CAME GAVE US A PRESENTATION ON ILAS. UH, THAT WAS GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, UH, I DO HAVE FEW QUESTION. I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS VERY COMPLEX FORMULA FOR ALL KIND OF SERVICES AND ALL THIS, AND I THINK WE ARE JUST, I THINK LAST TIME I ASKED, UH, MAYOR SLAGEL THAT WHERE WE ARE AT DART HISTORY, THAT TO GET THE FULL BENEFIT, AND HE DID, YOU DID MENTION THAT IT'S LIKE MAYBE ON HALFWAY, SO WE ARE YET TO SEE THE FULL BENEFIT. I THINK WE CAN'T STOP THE MIDDLE OF THE JOURNEY BECAUSE THE BENEFIT IS COMING IN THE FUTURE. AND I SAW A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT, THAT ABOUT 53% RESIDENTS OR COMMUTER FROM RICHARDSON GOES BACK TO DALLAS AND I SEE FROM PLANO IS ABOUT OVER 60%. SO THESE ARE HUGE BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I KNOW I SAW, UH, THE SUMMARY OF THE ES AND YOUNG REPORT, UH, VERY CONFUSING IF YOU LOOK AT JUST ONE PAGE. UH, BUT IS THERE ANY REPORT THAT WAS DONE THAT, WHAT HAPPENED LIKE 20 YEARS? LIKE I'M SURE THAT 10 YEARS AGO THE EQUATION WAS DIFFERENT, THE SUMMARY WAS DIFFERENT. IT HAS SHIFTED TO CERTAIN POINT IN THAT REPORT BECAUSE OF THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT SLIDE, THAT PAGE IS GONNA BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW THERE, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S LIKE A COMPLEX THING THAT, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, NOT LOOKING AT TODAY MM-HMM . SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT THAT CITIES ARE GETTING, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE ARE COMMITTING FROM HERE TO DOLLARS, UH, YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. WAS THERE ANY STUDY DONE BUILT ON THAT OR, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT CHAIR? SLAGEL? YEAH, GO DO THAT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. . I DON'T WANNA STEAL YOUR THUNDER, BUT, UM, SO, UH, GREAT QUESTION. 20 YEARS AGO, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE LOOK HISTORICALLY AT THE DISTRIBUTION OR THE ALLOCATION OF COSTS OR INVESTMENTS, UM, ON A HISTORIC LEVEL, UH, IT IS PRETTY HARD TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE DATA IS NOT THERE. UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW 43 YEARS OLD. OVER TIME, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT SYSTEMS TO HELP US [01:05:01] TRACK COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, MY HOPE , UM, IN MY PERFECT WORLD, WE WILL GET TO A POINT IN THE FUTURE WHERE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL COST EXPENSE, UH, REVENUE, UH, CONVERSATION. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE AROUND OUR CITIES, THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT DART PROVIDES VALUE. UM, I THINK SOME OF OUR CITIES ARE IN A PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS UNIQUE TO, UM, THE ONES WHO BROUGHT THE LEGISLATION FORWARD. I THINK ALL THE CITIES, UM, RICHARDSON INCLUDED FACE THE SAME CHALLENGES. UM, YOU KNOW, INCREASING COST PRESSURES, UM, SHRINKING REVENUES OR LEVELING REVENUES. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL WAYS TO GENERATE NEW REVENUES SO THAT WE CAN ALL DO MORE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES. AND SO DART IS NO EXCEPTION TO THAT. UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE WE GET TO THAT POINT SOMEDAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT TYPE OF DATA AVAILABLE FOR US. I'M NOT SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK 20 YEARS AGO. UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, I HOPE WE CAN SETTLE ON SOME SORT OF METHODOLOGY THAT EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON AND, AND SUPPORT. UM, AND THEN EVENTUALLY MAYBE NOT EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT ANYMORE. NO, GREAT. THANK YOU. AND BY THE WAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMETIMES WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT TRANSIT 2.0, YOU KNOW, FOR A SPLIT SECOND, IT CAME TO ME THAT, OKAY, THIS IS A SOFTWARE UPDATE, ANOTHER VERSION. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A STUDY THAT'S COMING UP. SO THAT'S A, YEAH, THE 2.0 STUDY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STUDY, I THINK. 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THE ENTIRE REGION, THE WHOLE METROPLEX. HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE TRAVELING IN THE FUTURE? 'CAUSE WE CAN'T BUILD OURSELVES OUTTA THIS PROBLEM. NO, THANK YOU. I AM, I'M JUST EAGER TO WAIT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THAT REPORT AND HEAR SOMETHING FROM YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I CROSSED OFF ALL MY QUESTIONS SO I WON'T ASK 'EM AGAIN ABOUT SECURITY AND CLEANLINESS AND, AND MARKETING. THOSE WERE ALL ASKED, SO I JUST, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR GREAT WORK. AND WHAT YOU JUST TOUCHED ON ABOUT REGIONALISM IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TRANSIT SYSTEM HERE IN OUR, IN OUR REGION. AND 2.0 REALLY LOOKS AT HOW, HOW ALL OF THOSE CAN WORK TOGETHER, UH, SO WE CAN ATTRACT EVENTS LIKE, UM, THE WORLD CUP AND, AND OTHERS TO COME TO OUR REGION, AND WE CAN ALL BENEFIT FROM THEM. UM, SO, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, ALL THE BULLETS YOU'VE TAKEN RECENTLY, BOTH OF YOU. UM, AND I, I'VE RECOGNIZED HIM BEFORE, BUT I WANNA RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AGAIN, JUST FOR THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE. UM, MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT'S NOT JUST GOING DOWN TO AUSTIN. HE HAS PUT IN A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME INTO LEARNING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSPORTATION 2.0. AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT. UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S REALLY SORT OF, UH, TAKEN THE BANNER FOR ON, ON OUR COUNCIL. AND I'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY PROUD TO SORT OF GO ALONGSIDE HIM AND, AND GET EDUCATED BY ONE OF THE GREATEST, UH, MICHAEL MORRIS, UH, WHO IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSPORTATION KING, IF YOU WILL, UM, FOR OUR REGION. UM, BUT COUNCILMAN COR, THANK YOU REALLY FOR, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT IN, UM, WITH CHAIR SLAGEL AND WITH, UM, WITH NADINE AND EVERYONE AT DART BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AND, AND YOU'VE PUT IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE. ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE THE WORLD CUP NEXT YEAR, AND THE WORLD CUP IS GONNA BE PLAYED IN, IN ARLINGTON WHERE THERE IS NO TRANSIT. THEY'RE LOOKING TO US AND TO THE, UH, UH, TRINITY METRO TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. AND WE WILL, AND WE HAVE IT PLANNED, BUT WE CAN'T BE REMOVING DOLLARS AND DOING THAT AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S A, IT'S A REAL CONUNDRUM THAT WE, WE CAN FACE. SO IT, IT DOESN'T END THERE. AND THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST PROJECT WE HAVE GOING. IT'S JUST ONE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE NEED TO DEAL WITH. YEAH, I MEAN, IT SPEAKS TO, TO DART'S ADAPTABILITY, UH, TO ITS REGIONALISM. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GOT ITS MEMBER CITIES THAT IT'S FOCUSED ON, BUT IT'S NOT CLOSING ITS EYES TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR REGION, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AND SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR, UH, SORT OF THE ETHOS OF, OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT DARTS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE HAVE FOLKS, UH, REALLY LARGE CITIES WHO DON'T HAVE TRANSIT. I MEAN, THERE ARE FOLKS HAVE VOTED IT DOWN MORE THAN ONCE, I BELIEVE. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW, AS A REGION WE CAN ALL SORT OF, UM, CONNECT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY GREAT THINGS UNDER 2.0 RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS TURS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE. SO ANYWAY, I, I CAN SAY GREAT THINGS ALL NIGHT, BUT I'LL JUST END WITH THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WILL JUST ADD REALLY QUICKLY, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD CUP IS THIS OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, NOT JUST FOR THE NORTH TEXAS METROPLEX, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES TO REALLY DEVELOP THE BRAND FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE UNITED STATES. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY ME AND MY PEERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE THINKING ABOUT IT IN ALL THE HOST CITIES. UM, WE THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UPHOLD THE BRAND EXPERIENCE THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE. MS. LEE, UH, I HAVE A FEW [01:10:01] QUESTIONS OF MY OWN THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT KIND OF SOME CLARITY ON AS WELL. AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. UM, ONE OF THE SLIDES DID TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SERVICES YOU'RE PROVIDING TO RICHARDSON MM-HMM . IS THERE ANY INDICATION YET, UH, AND AND IT MAY BE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION NOW, AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE IT LATER, BUT ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE SERVICES THAT YOU FEEL ARE, SAY, UNDERUTILIZED? UM, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE GOT THE SERVICE THERE, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE TAKE RATE THAT WE NEED AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, BETTER PARTNERSHIP ON OUR SIDE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT, THAT SORT OF THING. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT JUMPS OUT AT YOU AT THIS POINT? UM, NO, NOT THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME. I MEAN, RICHARDSON HAS PRETTY GOOD UTILIZATION ACROSS THE BOARD, PARTICULARLY OF COURSE, WITH THE UTD SERVICES, UM, OUR HIGHEST RIDERSHIP BUS ROUTES IN THE WHOLE SYSTEM. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, AND I'M DRAWING THIS FROM MEMORY RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE UM, I HAVE LIKE A FEW SLIDES, BUT, UM, FOR THE SERVICES THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED, UM, IN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THE UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETINGS, THERE ARE NO DISCONTINUATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED OR CONSIDERED FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. UM, WHERE WE WOULD MAKE CHANGES IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS CHANGES TO FREQUENCIES, UM, HOW OFTEN THE, THE TRAINS OR THE BUSES WOULD COME BY. AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE, UM, SLEW OF THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHANGES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ROUTE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO, UM, WE HAVE OUR 100 SERIES ROUTES. WE HAVE OUR FREQUENT BUS NETWORK, WE HAVE OUR 200 SERIES ROUTES. SO DEPENDING ON, ON WHICH, UM, SORT OF FAMILY OF ROUTES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT ARE BEING, UM, CONSIDERED. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW, UH, WE KNOW GOING INTO THESE MEETINGS THAT, UH, REDUCING FREQUENCY IS NOT THE GREATEST SOLUTION FOR ANYBODY. UM, WE REALLY HOPE THAT WE IN THE FUTURE WILL BE INCREASING, UM, FREQUENCIES. UH, I THINK THAT'S A BETTER STRATEGY TO INCREASE MOBILITY. SO, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY TOUGH DECISION FOR US TO MAKE. UM, AND, AND AS WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE, WE'LL BETTER BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD. WONDERFUL. AND ONE LAST QUESTION. YOU HAD MENTIONED YOUR PEERS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UH, THE WORLD CUP. AND I'M, I AM CURIOUS OF YOUR PEERS, ANY OF THEM IN PARTICULAR THAT MIRROR US MOST CLOSELY THAT YOU THINK ARE PROBABLY MOST RELATIVELY CLOSE TO WHAT, WHAT WE ARE HERE? UH, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ASPECT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WELL, POLITICALLY, NO. YEAH. UM, , UM, WELL, SO WE ARE COMPARED A LOT. UH, AND OF COURSE EVERY TRANSIT AGENCY IS VERY UNIQUE, RIGHT? WE'RE COMPARED A LOT WITH, UM, DENVER REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION DISTRICT, UM, WHERE I USED TO WORK, UM, ATLANTA, UH, THE METROPOLITAN ATLANTA REGIONAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY. UM, UH, LET ME THINK HERE. UH, SOMETIMES TRIM MET IN PORTLAND. UM, SIMILAR TYPES OF OPERATION. UM, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DEPENDS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT FROM A LIGHT RAIL PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE SECOND LONGEST LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY. WE USED TO BE THE LONGEST. LA HAS, UM, HAS RECENTLY SURPASSED US IN TERMS OF MILES. UM, UH, IN TERMS OF BUS SERVICE, UH, I THINK PROBABLY, UM, I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE KIND OF MID-SIZE CITIES, UH, WELL, I SAY MID-SIZE CITY, THEY'RE STILL BIG ST. LOUIS, UM, KANSAS CITY, UM, INDIANAPOLIS, UH, PROBABLY IN TERMS OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THEIR BUS SERVICE, WE CERTAINLY, FOR A CITY OF OUR SIZE OR A REGION OF OUR SIZE, WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING A LOT MORE BUS SERVICE THAN WE DO. UM, AND I THINK AT ONE POINT, EARLY ON IN MY TENURE, I THINK I TOLD THE BOARD THAT I WANTED TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING 500 BUSES, I WANTED TO HAVE 1500 BUSES . AND I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF FREAKED OUT, BUT, UM, BUT WE'LL REVISIT THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES . UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY, I THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GROW AND TO PROVIDE A LOT MORE SERVICE AND A LOT BETTER SERVICE THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. UH, WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB RIGHT NOW, BUT I, I THINK WE COULD DO SO MUCH BETTER. WONDERFUL. AND, AND I'M ASKING THAT, THAT LAST QUESTION, JUST, UH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALWAYS KIND OF PIQUES MY INTEREST IS, IS HOW MUCH COLLABORATION WE'RE DOING WITH, UH, IN OUR CASE, CITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO US IN YOUR CASE, UH, UH, TRANSIT AUTHORITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO YOU, AND JUST TRYING TO BORROW IDEAS FROM EACH OTHER AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND, UM, LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT JUMPS OUT AT YOU THAT YOU WANT TO, UH, SHARE WITH US THAT YOU, WE'VE BORROWED FROM SOMEONE ELSE, OR, OR THAT WE FIND OURSELVES BEING BORROWED IN OTHER PLACES, I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. YEAH. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. UM, AND YOU'RE MUCH NICER THAN ME BECAUSE I STEAL IDEAS. I DON'T JUST BORROW THEM . UM, SO ACTUALLY WE, WE GET IDEAS FROM ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, BUT REALLY ALSO AROUND THE WORLD. UM, I'M THE NORTH AMERICA CHAIR FOR U-U-I-T-P, WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORT. AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE TRY TO DO THROUGH UITP IS REALLY SHARE THE IDEAS AROUND THE GLOBE, UM, TO REALLY HELP [01:15:01] PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S POSSIBLE. UM, AND THEN ONCE YOU GET A LITTLE TASTE OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE, YOU REALLY CAN'T TURN THAT OFF, RIGHT? SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO I WAS IN RIO DE JANEIRO FOR A MEETING OF UITP, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, A WAY TO DO SECURITY. UH, SO, UH, USE YOUR, UM, YOUR SORT OF INFORMATION DISPLAY. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, WE CALL 'EM PIS, BUT THEY'RE PUBLIC INFORMATION DISPLAYS. THEY'RE REALLY THE SCREENS THAT ARE INTERACTIVE, UM, AT OUR STATIONS. AND TO TRY TO FIND A WAY WHERE YOU COULD ACTIVATE THOSE SCREENS TO CONTACT A CUSTOMER SERVICE AGENT, FOR EXAMPLE. SO IF YOU'RE WAITING, UH, AT A BUS STOP OR A TRAIN STATION AT NIGHT, YOU WANT A LITTLE COMPANION WHO CAN TALK TO YOU. UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENTING SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY CALL INTO A LIVE PERSON, UM, AND HAVE A COMPANION WITH THEM. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY STARTED IN RIO DE JANEIRO. UM, THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF OPPORTUNITIES. I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU SOMETIME AND JUST GO THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM AROUND THE WORLD. BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, CAME FROM EXPERIENCES OBSERVING THINGS AROUND THE WORLD, A VERY EXTENSIVE, UM, PERFORMANCE, UH, MEASUREMENT PROGRAM, SETTING KPIS, CONTINUOUS PROCESS IMPROVEMENT A LOT, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF COMPANIES DO THAT, UM, IN ASIA, THEY DO IT THE BEST. AND SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC SOME OF THAT. UH, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO SET THAT UP, PROBABLY ABOUT A DECADE, BUT WE'RE HOPING WE CAN ACCELERATE. UM, THE SYSTEM MODERNIZATION STUFF WE'RE DOING IS COBBLING TOGETHER A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES THAT WE'VE VISITED AND, AND, AND TALKED TO. UM, AND REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING, UH, I, I SAID, I THINK TO THE BOARD ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID, WELL, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO BE LIKE? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE WORLD CLASS? AND I'M LIKE, I WANNA BE THE BEST. I WANT DART TO BE THE BEST. I MEAN, HOW HARD IS THAT? RIGHT? IT'S VERY HARD, . BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WONDERFUL. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH THIS EVENING. UH, AND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN WRAP UP THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. MS. LEE, MAYOR SLAGEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, [6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION] MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, MR. MAGNER. GREAT. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, WE ARE EXCITED TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION THAT, UM, BEGAN LAST WEEK AS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION HANDED OFF ITS, UH, FINAL REPORT TO YOU. UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU. UM, SORRY. UH, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU PROVIDED, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO, UH, UH, ONE, UH, RECEIVING A DRAFT OF THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONER REPORT, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, UH, 10 DAYS AGO. AND THEN, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY, UH, RECEIVING A COPY OF THE CHARTER RED LINE THAT WAS IN, UH, YOUR PACKET, UM, THIS PAST THURSDAY. UM, THAT, UM, THAT FEEDBACK HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO, UH, TO, TO CITY STAFF. UM, AND TONIGHT, UH, WHAT YOU FIND AT YOUR PLACE IS AN ADDITIONAL RED LINE, UH, THAT INCORPORATES MANY, UH, IF NOT, UH, MOST OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED IN THE FORM OF, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND IN YOUR RED LINE, YOU'LL FIND THOSE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. AND SO, UH, THE ORIGINAL RED LINE ITSELF, UM, THEN, UM, SUPPLEMENTED BY, UH, SOME RED, UH, BOXES, UM, AND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE THAT YOU'LL, THAT YOU'LL SEE. UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE THEME THAT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU, UH, THAT WE, UH, PICKED UP ON, UM, AND I THINK IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA COME BACK AND VISIT WITH YOU ON NEXT WEEK, IS THE IDEA OF A, UH, DEFINITION SECTION. AND, UH, SO THINGS, UH, LIKE QUALIFIED VOTERS, UH, UH, WHAT DOES, UH, YOU KNOW, DAY FOR INSTANCE MEAN? IS THAT A CALENDAR DAY? IS THAT A, A BUSINESS DAY? AND SO, UM, WE'LL BE WORKING, UH, THIS NEXT WEEK, UH, TO CONTINUE TO REFINE WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE FOR A POTENTIAL DEFINITION SECTION. AND WE'LL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU NEXT WEEK, UH, FOR, UH, YOUR CONSIDERATION WITH RESPECT TO THE PLAN TONIGHT. UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS WE'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE CHARTER ARTICLE BY ARTICLE. UM, WE WILL TAKE THEM SEQUENTIALLY AND, UH, FOR EACH ARTICLE, I'D LIKE TO POSE TWO QUESTIONS TO YOU. ONE, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO, OR ANY FEEDBACK REGARDING, UM, THE, UH, CHARTER COMMISSION OR THE STAFF'S, UH, UH, SUBSEQUENT RECOMMENDATIONS? AND THEN TWO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK RELATED TO ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, SECTIONS OF THAT PARTICULAR ARTICLE, MAYBE THAT WEREN'T THE SUBJECT OF A RECOMMENDATION? UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS KIND OF CONCLUDE AND WRAP UP EACH ARTICLE BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ARTICLE. UM, OUR PLAN TONIGHT WAS TO TRY TO ACHIEVE, UM, ARTICLES ONE THROUGH 13, BUT GIVEN THE REMAINDER OF THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE TO YOU, IS THAT RIGHT AROUND THE 60 MINUTE MARK OR SO, UM, IF WE'RE STILL GOING, WE'LL KIND OF REASSESS WHERE WE ARE. UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, UH, DECIDE ON HOW WE WANNA PROCEED. LET ME REMIND YOU, AS I'VE SHARED WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY, NEXT, UH, MONDAY NIGHT, UM, WHICH, UH, IS THE 16TH, [01:20:01] UH, WE HAVE A TIME SET ASIDE ON THAT AGENDA FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THIS DISCUSSION. SO, UM, IF WE, UH, IF WE NEED TO USE THAT, WE DEFINITELY CAN DO SO. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, ON THE 23RD, UH, WILL BE, UM, THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AND SO, UM, LET ME, I'M GONNA LOOK OVER AT AMY. UH, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES FOR ME, IT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY, GREAT. SO, UH, MAYOR SEL, LET'S BEGIN. UM, AND, AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH AN EASY ONE, UM, ARTICLE ONE. THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSION OR FROM, UH, OR FROM STAFF. AND SO, UM, I WON'T WANNA, THAT WON'T BE A A A POINT HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WERE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, SECTIONS IN ARTICLE ONE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, DISCUSS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? JUST A SHAKE OF HEADS. NO. WILL GIVE ME THE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, UH, ARTICLE, UM, TWO, WHICH IS, UH, POWERS OF THE CITY. UH, THERE WERE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE, ARTICLE, I'M SORRY, SORRY, SECTION 2.2, UM, FOCUSED ON CLARIFYING AND SIMPLIFYING THE LANGUAGE, UH, FOR CONSISTENCY. AND THEN, UH, SECTION 2.4, RETITLED THAT SECTION FOR CLARITY AND THEN FURTHER DEFINED, UH, WHAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WERE. AND SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE CHARTER, BOTH OF THOSE CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK RELATED TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER SECTIONS OF, UH, ARTICLE TWO THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? ALRIGHT, WE'RE OFF TO A GREAT START. THANK YOU. UM, I SUSPECT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS CITY COUNCIL. UM, ARTICLE, UH, SECTION 3.03, UM, WAS, UH, INTENDED TO CLARIFY LANGUAGE AND, UH, DEFINE THE TIMING OF THE MAYOR PRO PROM ELECTION, UM, AND TERM, UH, COMP. UM, UM, SECTION 3.04 WAS, UH, A RECOMMENDATION FROM, FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSION TO INCREASE COMPENSATION AT 3.06, UH, ADDED LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY, THE, UH, UH, ACCUSED MEMBER IS NOT INCLUDED IN VOTING THRESHOLD AND MAY NOT VOTE REGARDING HIS OR HER, HIS OR HER OWN MISCONDUCT, UH, OR, UH, UM, AND THEN 3.06 WAS ACTUALLY, UM, A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE INCLUDED. UH, YOU IF THAT LANGUAGE IN RED THERE LOOKS FAMILIAR TO YOU, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE FROM YOUR ETHICS ORDINANCE, UH, REQUIRING A COMPLAINT TO BE VERY ARTICULATE ABOUT, UM, UH, ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT, UM, AS WELL AS A PROCESS FOR MANAGING THAT. AND, UH, SO, UH, MAYOR, UM, AND COUNSEL, LET ME, LET ME PAUSE JUST FOR A SECOND. I APOLOGIZE, . UM, LET ME, UH, WELCOME OUR CITY ATTORNEY, PETE SMITH, AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY JOE GRITA. UH, AS WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL BE, UH, INSTRUMENTAL IN RESPONDING TO MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LEGALITY OR, OR, UM, LEGALESE. I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE AMY AND DANETTE WHO'VE BEEN AWESOME THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. UM, BUT LET'S GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS AT HAND. ARE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK RELATED TO SECTION, UM, UH, OR I'M SORRY, ARTICLE THREE WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, UH, CHARTER COMMISSION OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE INDEED. YES. UM, I, I SORT OF ALLUDED TO THIS. UM, THIS IS FOR 3.04. I ALLUDED TO THIS IN MY COMMENTS LAST WEEK. UM, FOR ME, THE AMOUNT SUGGESTED, UH, AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE PAYMENT, UM, ARE CONCERNING TO ME. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO HIGH. UM, I THINK IF WE GO TO THE VOTERS AND ASK FOR, ASK FOR A PAY INCREASE, IT NEEDS TO BE TIED TO SOMETHING. UM, AND SO I THINK, UM, I HAD TALKED TO A FEW COMMISSIONERS, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER REER, UH, WHO I THINK IS HERE TONIGHT, UM, HAD A REALLY GREAT IDEA TO, TO TIE IT TO THE CPI DOING THAT I THINK WOULD, WOULD RAISE AS OF TODAY OUR, UM, UH, PER MEETING SALARY TO $157, THINKING ABOUT 10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO ABOUT 200 OR SO DOLLARS, UM, USING FUTURE INDICES. SO I THINK, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO INCREASE IT, THAT WE INCREASE IT TO $200 PER MEETING AND NOT DO IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, I THINK, UM, DOING IT THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED HERE WON'T BE APPLES TO APPLES FOR THE VOTERS. AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF STICKER SHOCK. I, I THINK THE SPIRIT WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO MORE THAN THAN JUST MEAT, UM, ONCE A WEEK. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS. UM, THE MEAT OF WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS THESE MEETINGS IN PREPARATION FOR THESE MEETINGS. AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE TYING IT TO THOSE. UH, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT AN APPLES TO APPLES IF THIS, THIS GETS PUT ON THE BALLOT IF WE DO IT THAT WAY. SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL, AND, AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IS THAT WE, WE KEEP IT ON A, A, UH, MEETING, UH, PAYMENT BASIS AS IT IS NOW, AND THAT WE TIE IT TO SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE IT TO THE VOTERS IF WE WISH TO INCREASE OUR SALARY. AND I THINK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER DRER'S IDEA ABOUT TYING IT TO THE CPI AND FUTURE INDICES, THE WAY TO DO IT, AND THAT WE LOWER IT TO 200. SO, DISAPPOINTING CLARIFICATION. ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE TAKE IT TO 200 NOW AND THEN TIE IT TO THE CPI OR NO, I DON'T WANNA [01:25:01] CONTINUE TO TIE IT TO THE CPI. I'M JUST SAYING IT. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. IF A VOTER SAYS, UNDERSTAND WHY IS THIS ON THE BALLOT? I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, WE LOOKED AT STRONG NUMBERS RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE $157 TODAY. RIGHT? IF WE TIED IT TO THE PREVIOUS 10 YEARS. AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD, WHAT DO WE THINK APPROXIMATELY USING FUTURE WOULD BE IN 10 YEARS WHEN IT'S REVIEWED AGAIN. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE 200. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE SOMETHING PRETTY CONCRETE LIKE THAT TO A VOTER THAT MAY QUESTION WHY WE'RE POTENTIALLY ASKING FOR A SALARY INCREASE. THANKS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARAS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, COUNCIL AND JUSTICE. I, I LIKE THE IDEA. I'M NOT SURE I'M STUCK EITHER WAY, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF PRE-WRITING A, A SET STRUCTURE, UM, SO THAT THIS COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCILS AND SO THAT THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S TIED TO. SO I, I DO AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ANSWER IS AS FAR AS THE DETAILS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF SETTING IT TO SOMETHING. UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE THIS SPIRIT IN WHICH THE, UH, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION GAVE US THIS NUMBER, AND I, I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES, UH, APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, MR. MAGNER, WE'RE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING AROUND DISCUSSING 3.04, AND THEN I SHOULD SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR OTHER SECTIONS ONCE WE DISCUSS 3.04, CORRECT? YES. IF, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD AGREE TO THAT, LET'S RESOLVE EVEN IF IT'S A SECTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON. AND THEN, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THIS, WE CAN TAKE OTHER SECTIONS AND, AND, UH, ARTICLE THREE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO FOUR. OKAY. SO LAST COMMENT. I HAVE ABOUT 3.04, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT FITS IN, BUT I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING I'VE, I'VE, UH, MADE COMMENTS TO IN A PREVIOUS MEETING. AND I KNOW IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS, UM, WHEN I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT COMPENSATION, I'VE NEVER REALLY HAD A STRONG PREFERENCE. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE OR BREAK ANY OF US. I MEAN, IT, WE UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE HOURS WE PUT IN. AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE, THE HONOR IT IS TO SERVE ON THIS COUNCIL. SO I HAVE NO REAL, NO REAL CONCRETE THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ACTUAL COMPENSATION PIECE OF IT. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SHARED BEFORE THAT I, I'D MUCH RATHER TAKE A SMALLER COMPENSATION, BUT HAVE SOME KIND OF ROOM IN THE BUDGET FOR LIKE A CONTINUING EDUCATION OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUDGET LINE THAT'S DISCUSSION FOR BUDGET LATER. BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER, LET'S TAKE THIS, TAKE SOMETHING SMALLER THERE, BUT THEN SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO USE SOME CONTINUING EDUCATION, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL DECIDES THE BUDGET TOWARDS EITHER TML OR ONE OF THE OTHER MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDES ONGOING EDUCATION, UM, THAT IS UP TO THE DISCRETION. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I THINK WOULD BETTER BENEFIT, UM, OUR RESIDENTS, UH, PERSONALLY. BUT THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT. BUT IN TIED TO THIS, I HAVE NO, NO SET NUMBER, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF TYING IT TO SOMETHING SPECIFIC IN THE STRUCTURE THAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE SUGGESTED. COUNCIL MEMBER. DORIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, I'M GONNA BE, UH, KIND OF THE OPPOSITE END OF THIS CONVERSATION, UH, AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, UM, AND ON MY FIRST TWO YEARS OF NOW WORKING ON MY SECOND TERM, I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF GIVING TO THE CITY AND PROVIDING, UH, AN ELECTED SEAT AND PROVIDING THE TIME THAT WE PUT IN TO THIS POSITION AND THE JOB IT TAKES AND THE HOURS IT TAKES TO DO IT. HOWEVER, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE $1,200 FLAT FEE A MONTH. I, I'M OKAY WITH A MONTHLY FEE AND NOT TYING IT TO ANYTHING. AND I'LL EXPLAIN THE REASON WHY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD ON HERE ACTUALLY TO INCREASE IT TO 1500, BUT 1200 IS FINE. BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, AND AGAIN, I DID A SPREADSHEET JUST TO KIND OF CALCULATE, AND THIS IS FOR ME, AND I KNOW A LOT OF OUR COUNCIL, UM, AND MAYOR WORK A LOT OF HOURS. BUT AS I WAS SORT OF CALCULATING THE AMOUNT OF TIME OVER THE LAST, I WENT BACK TWO YEARS, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE SPENT OVER 40 HOURS A WEEK, NOT EVERY SINGLE WEEK, BUT ON AVERAGE BETWEEN 38 AND 41 HOURS A WEEK. AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HERE. WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, UH, TRY TO RUN FOR THIS OFFICE TO GET A PAYCHECK. 'CAUSE WE CERTAINLY IF, WELL, NONE OF US WOULD'VE DONE THAT OTHERWISE. BUT I ALSO HAVE TO TIE INTO OTHER THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE ARE RELEVANT THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW. UH, ONE, WE HAVE FUEL ALLOWANCE. I MEAN, SOME OF US SPEND ANYWHERE FROM 1200 TO $2,500 A YEAR JUST IN ON FUEL ALLOWANCE, TRAVELING. WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF MAINTENANCE ON CARS. YOU HAVE TO RELATE. THERE'S, THERE ARE, UH, EXPENSES TIED TO REPLACING WHEELS, OIL CHANGES AND SO FORTH. NOT THAT YOU DO NOT USE YOUR VEHICLE FOR PERSONAL OR OTHER BUSINESS USE, BUT I'M JUST TYING IT INTO THE TIME SPENT. FOR ME PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME OVER [01:30:01] THE LAST, UH, YEARS, UH, YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TOLL TAG EXPENDITURES. UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MEETING UP WITH RESIDENTS, UH, SPENDING MONEY ON LUNCHES, UH, COFFEES, DINNERS, UH, JUST IN ADDITION TO SPENDING TIME ON THE WEEKENDS, UH, MEETING WITH A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. AGAIN, NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT ANY OF THIS. UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE, PUT VALUE IN TO WHAT I FEEL IS GENERATIONAL OF WHERE WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND NOT GO ANOTHER 10 YEARS FOR $150 OR $200 FOR A SPECIFIC MEETING, OR EVEN POTENTIALLY THE CPI. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING OUT THERE AND PEOPLE HERE IN THE ROOM UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE HOURS THAT YOU PUT IN, BECAUSE WE ALL PUT A LOT OF HOURS IN. IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY YOU SPEND OUT OF POCKET. AND GENERALLY, MOST OF US DON'T TURN IN OUR REIMBURSABLES. UM, UNLESS WE SPECIFICALLY NEED TO GO OUT ON A, A, A CITY TRIP, UH, THAT'S REQUIRED. BUT THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN THIS SEAT TO EARN A A, A LARGE PAYCHECK. I JUST FIGURED THAT $1,200, I WAS, I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, BY THE WAY. UM, I THOUGHT, THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN I THOUGHT YOU'RE GONNA SUGGEST. BUT I THOUGHT, WELL, I WAS THINKING MORE 1500, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST TYING BACK, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN FIVE AND $10,000 A YEAR YOU SPENT OUT OF POCKET AND NOT COUNTING THE HOURS YOU SPENT. AND I SAW THE BREAKDOWN BASED ON 40 HOURS. IT COMES A LITTLE OVER $7, UH, AN HOUR. AND THEN I THINK IF WE BREAK IT DOWN, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE HIS NOTE IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT, BUT, UH, AS YOU BREAK IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER, THAT COMES UP TO, UM, ABOUT $15 AN HOUR. SO, BUT EVEN SO, $7 AN HOUR, UH, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY, THEY'RE OUT. NORTH TEXAS, ALMOST EVERY CITY HAS SOME SALARY OR FLAT RATE AND EVEN REIMBURSABLES AND EVEN CAR ALLOWANCES FOR COUNCIL AND MAYOR. SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF, IF WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A $200 FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS, WHAT ARE, WHO ARE GONNA BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA STEP UP AND POTENTIALLY WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE? IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT A YOUNGER GENERATION COMING ON BOARD BECAUSE THE DEMOGRAPHIC IS CHANGING DRASTICALLY. AND RICHARDSON, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A YOUNGER GENERATION WANTING TO RUN FOR OFFICE, THEY POTENTIALLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR NOTHING. SO THEY'RE POTENTIALLY ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING. AND THAT 1500 OR $1,200 A A MONTH REALLY DOESN'T EQUATE TO MUCH AGAIN, WHERE NONE OF US ARE ON THIS, UH, ON THIS COUNCIL TO, TO EARN A, A VERY SERIOUS PAYCHECK. WE ALL HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS. SO I JUST WANT TO CONVEY THAT. I WANNA KEEP DWELLING ON IT, BUT I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE WATCHING AND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, THAT THE REALITY IS THAT MOST OF US, AND I'M REALLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF 'CAUSE I SAID I HAVE A SPREADSHEET HERE AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND I DIDN'T EVEN CALCULATE ALL THE RECEIPTS, BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW MUCH TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY WE SPENT OUT OUR OWN POCKET. IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO GET REIMBURSED. AND THAT $1,200 IS ONLY A REIMBURSABLE IF THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN COVER THE FULL EXPENDITURES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER . THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY, THEY DO SPEND LOTS OF HOURS AND THEY DO SPEND LOTS OF MONEY. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS JUST A TOKEN MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL, NOT INDIVIDUAL. THIS COUNCIL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD ALSO. SO, UH, TO ME, IF WE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS OKAY, I'M HAPPY WITH $0. IF YOU GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE A HUNDRED, 150, I WOULD PROPOSE MAKE IT ZERO. SO, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT IN THE TAX FILING AND ALL THIS, REMEMBERING THAT, UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS VERY INS INSIGNIFICANT, OR EVEN IF YOU CAN PUT IT THAT, OKAY, THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WE CAN AUTOMATICALLY DONATE TO NON-PROFIT. SO I DON'T HAVE TO REALLY WORRY ABOUT FILING TAX, UH, FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS. UH, REMEMBERING TO GIVE THIS THING TO MY ACCOUNTANT. SO TO ME PERSONALLY, THESE ARE HEADACHE. GETTING THIS A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND EVEN FILING THAT REIMBURSEMENT FORM IS HEADACHE. BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO SPEND HALF AN HOUR FILLING OUT THE PAPER AND ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M LOSING MONEY. HONESTLY, I'M LOSING MONEY BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT HALF AN HOUR DOING SOMETHING ELSE, MAKE MUCH MORE MONEY ON THAT ONE. SO I DON'T DO REIMBURSEMENT. SO, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PERSONALLY ABOUT ME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL. SO IF YOU DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL SO THAT WE CAN ATTRACT, UH, SOME YOUNGER GENERATION ALSO TO THE COUNCIL. UH, I AGREE, [01:35:01] UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, THAT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE ALL NEED SOME MORE DATA, MORE DISCUSSION TO FIND OUT, TO MAKE IT MEANINGFUL. BUT IF WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY MEANINGFUL CHANGE, JUST LEAVE IT A HUNDRED. WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT. I MEAN, PERSONALLY, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. I, I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE TO PUT ANYTHING WHERE I AM PERSONALLY GONNA BE BENEFITING, UH, WHICH MIGHT PEOPLE THINK THAT I'M BENEFITING, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT SCALE, 100 OR 1200 OR EVEN 1500. I'M NOT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT THAT. $1,500. UH, SO THAT KIND OF THINGS, I'D RATHER NOT TAKE ANY MONEY, UH, BUT DO IT MEANINGFUL SO THAT, UH, IT BENEFITS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER. BECAUSE THAT'S OUR GOAL IS WE ARE, UH, WE'RE ALL DOING THIS THING TO GIVE, GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY, NOT LOOKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT. UH, I'M, I FEEL VERY BAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR OWN PAYMENT HERE TODAY. UH, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE COUNCIL, FUTURE COUNCIL ALSO. UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME COSTS DEFINITELY THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND, UH, CHANGING TIRES, IT HAPPENED SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW TIRES, IT JUST GOES BAD. YOU CAN'T CONTROL THOSE, UH, NAIL TO SAY, OKAY, DON'T MAKE A HOLE ON THE SIDE. MAKE A HOLE FROM THE BOTTOM SO I CAN FIX IT. SO TO ME, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT, UH, CAREFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE BY THE, UH, THE CHARTER COMMISSION, I THINK. UH, AND, UH, BUT IF YOU DO IT, DO IT WITH THE MORE, MORE DATA AND BACKUP. UH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON WITH THE, THE, THE OTHERS, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE, THE INDEX OR ANYTHING. IT'S AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO SPEND THE CITY STAFF DOING SOME MATH, EVEN THEY SPEND 15 MINUTES DOING THAT, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. THEY CAN DO BETTER. OTHER THINGS, MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, I WOULD NOT REALLY PUT ANOTHER HEADACHE FOR THEM TO PUT THAT ON THE TIE THIS THING WITH ANY OTHER INDEX. UH, MAKE IT SIMPLE. KEEP IT SIMPLE. THAT'S WHAT I'M FOR. BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL BEFORE I SAY MY FINAL THIS OPINION ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RADER. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA GET A CLARIFICATION, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BARRIOS. 'CAUSE I, I THINK I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO MS. JUSTICE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT WE WOULD BE GOING FROM A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO 150 BASED ON CPI, BUT NOT PUT THE CPI LANGUAGE IN THIS ARTICLE? BECAUSE I I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE IT. I WAS MAKING A NOTE FROM COUNCILMAN CHAEL'S, UH, STATEMENT. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE STAFF RUN NUMBERS AND THAT THIS BE ADJUSTED EVERY YEAR BASED ON THE CPI. IF I'M GOING TO GO TO A VOTER AND I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY WE ARE SAYING 200, 1200, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BASIS THAT WE CAN TIE THAT TO WHICH IN THIS INSTANCE, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER STECKER, YOU KNOW, DID A STUDY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS BASED ON THE CPI TODAY, IT WOULD BE $157. AND THEN USING A FUTURE INDICES, IF WE TIED IT TO, TO ONE OF THOSE FORMULAS, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $200 IN 10 YEARS. SO THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS IF, IF WE ARE GOING TO SUGGEST AN INCREASE, I PERSONALLY, UH, WOULD ONLY FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR THIS IF I CAN POINT, SORT, SORT OF A HARD AND FAST REASON WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID. BUT WHAT, AFTER I HEARD COUNCILMAN BARRIOS AND THEN, AND THEN COUNCILMAN SHAEL, I WASN'T QUITE SURE. SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR. I I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT, UM, WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE IS SAYING. I THINK I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT AND I HEAR ALL I'VE HEARD. I, I HEAR DISCUSSIONS. I'VE HEARD IT. I JUST THINK THAT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE'S CERTAINLY AN HONOR TO BE ON THIS COUNCIL. THERE ARE CERTAINLY, IF I CAN USE THIS TERM, PERKS IF YOU WILL, UM, BY BEING ON COUNCIL, WE GET TO GO TO MANY EVENTS. WE GET TO GO TO VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN FACT PAID FOR, IF YOU WILL, BY THE CITY. YOU KNOW, ONE I WOULD POINT OUT QUICKLY IS WILDFLOWER, UM, THAT WE GET TO GO TO AND OUR TICKETS ARE COVERED FOR US TO BE THERE. UM, THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. SO I I, AND I THINK, I THINK FROM MY STANDPOINT, IF FOLLOWING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MATH, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO THE 150, THEN, THEN IN 10 YEARS THE NEXT COMMISSION AND THE NEXT COUNCIL COULD TAKE IT UP TO THE $200. SO THAT WOULD BE, I, I WOULD SAY THAT WAY. 'CAUSE I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE AS WELL BEING ABLE TO TIE IT TO SOMETHING [01:40:01] RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I I, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DISPARAGING THE WORK THAT THE, THE COMMISSION DID. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT IN A TIME WHEN, WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, EVERY BUDGET SEASON WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WATER GOES UP, ELECTRICITY GOES UP, ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE'RE GOING UP TO TRY AND TAKE THIS FROM A, WHAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH UP TO 12, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE, A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MEETING UP TO $1,200 A MONTH. I, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME. UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT AND I, I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY I, I WOULD WANT TO DO THE ONE 50 AND THEN IN 10 YEARS THEY COULD, THEY COULD TAKE IT UP TO 200 IF THEY SAW FIT, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM IN, IN 10 YEARS. SO, UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH, WITH COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE ON HER, ON THE METHODOLOGY AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER STRECKER WHO MADE THAT SUGGESTION. SO THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. YEAH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I ACTUALLY, I REALLY AGREE WITH ALL THE POINTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN MADE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YES, WE KNOW WHAT WE SIGN UP FOR WHEN WE'RE ON COUNCIL, BUT MAYBE BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE SIGN UP FOR THE PUBLIC DOES TOO, IN, IN A WAY. AND THAT'S WHY SO MANY TIMES WE HAVE UNCONTESTED RACES. I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT D MAGAZINE ARTICLES GOING BACK TO THE NINETIES, UM, TALK ABOUT WHEN MAYOR S SEGEL WAS ELECTED, RIGHT? THEY SAY RICHARDSON IS A SLEEPY AFFAIR. THEY'VE CANCELED ELECTIONS BECAUSE NOBODY RAN AGAINST ALL THE INCUMBENTS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I THINK IF WE WANT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO RUN AND CAN RUN, UM, WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE COMPENSATION AND, AND $50 FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS ENOUGH TO REALLY ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THESE SEATS. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, AND I, I MEAN I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF, OF FRUGALITY, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING PARTICIPATION, UM, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY A CONSISTENT COMPETITIVE ELECTIONS AS IT IS. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK 1200 IS, IS A SOLID NUMBER, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND TOO. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND TOO THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME CONSTERNATION ON THE STICKER SHOCK. UH, SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING IS, IS ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, MCKINNEY DID JUST HAVE A FAILED CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION WHERE THEIRS WAS ONLY GOING UP TO SEVEN 50. I MEAN, I, MAYBE A NICE COMPROMISE IS TRYING OUR LUCK WITH SEVEN 50, UH, PER MONTH INSTEAD OF 1200. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT MORE, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 150 AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 200 OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. UM, THE OTHER THING I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAR'S POINT TOO IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PAID 1200 A MONTH, IF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PAID 1200 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MONEY THAT CAN ABSOLUTELY PAID FOR ALL KINDS OF CONFERENCES. I, WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED, UM, SOMEONE, UH, ANDREW LASKI ASKED ME, HEY, GO TO THIS NEW URBANIST CONFERENCE UP IN OKLAHOMA CITY. IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD USE OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR TIME TO GO UP THERE. BUT I, I CAN'T PAY FOR THAT CONFERENCE AND I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT, THEN CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT NOW. RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT THINGS LIKE THIS COULD PAY FOR A LOT OF THOSE EXTRA CONFERENCES AND CONTINUING EDUCATION THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE MENTIONING COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, COUNCILMAN, UM, DORIAN'S POINT. THERE ARE A LOT OF HOURS PUT IN THERE AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN DORIAN, YOU, I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU SPEND 40 PLUS HOURS. I THINK I AVERAGE 35 TO 38, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. UM, WHILE SOME WEEKS ARE A LOT LESS, SOME WEEKS OR MORE, I KNOW YOU ATTEND MORE, A LOT MORE DAYTIME EVENTS THAN I DO. SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU PUT IN THOSE KIND OF HOURS. UM, THE, YOU EACH HAVE GREAT POINTS AND YEAH, THIS SUMMER I'M GOING TO, I HAVE TWO CONFERENCES, UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE, TO BE HONEST, I PAY FOR 'EM OUT OF MY OWN PERSONAL CAMPAIGN FUND. AND LUCKILY I STILL HAVE SOME LEFTOVER FROM TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I RAN, I HAD A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER. AND, UH, SO I'M ABLE TO USE THAT OUT OF MY CAMPAIGN FUND FOR SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF CONFERENCE. SO YEAH, IT WOULD HELP OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS. UH, INITIALLY I, I PUSHED MY BUTTON. UM, MR. MAGNER DON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED, SO IF YOU CAN HELP CLARIFY, 'CAUSE A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MENTIONED REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THOSE WATCHING. CAN YOU, 'CAUSE IN TWO YEARS, I'M NOW THE BEGINNING OF MY SECOND TERM, I THINK I SUBMITTED REIMBURSEMENTS MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE. WE WENT TO LIKE TMLI THINK THERE WAS AN INSTANCE WHERE I WAS SEPARATE 'CAUSE I HAD A DIFFERENT MEETING. I HAD TO TAKE AN, AN UBER TO CATCH UP WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I PAID OUTTA MY POCKET, SUBMITTED IT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE TYPE THINGS. OR [01:45:01] MAYBE TO THE AIRPORT. 'CAUSE I TRAVELED SEPARATELY, THEN YOU GUYS LIKE AN UBER TO THE AIRPORT, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING AT THE AIRPORT. UM, CAN CAN YOU JUST GIVE US AN IDEA OF LIKE, TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT LIKE ON A MONTHLY BASIS WE ARE SUBMITTING REIMBURSEMENTS. CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT, OR IS IT SPECIAL THINGS LIKE THAT? LIKE TML OR MAYBE AN AWARDS CONFERENCE? I KNOW THERE WAS A GROUP THAT WENT DOWN A, AN AWARDS CONFERENCE I THINK DOWN ON THE ISLAND MM-HMM . YOUR LAST SUMMER. SURE. IT'S, IT'S OFFICIAL TRAVEL FOR THE CITY. IT'S MILEAGE, UM, THAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO, UM, UM, BEING REIMBURSED FOR IF YOU'RE ON OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS. UM, IT MEALS, IF IT'S OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS, AND AGAIN, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY ANSWER FOR, FOR THOSE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THE LEGITIMACY OF THOSE AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF THOSE. BUT, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S, UM, UH, ANYTHING THAT IS IN THE, UH, PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR REIMBURSEMENT. OKAY. SO CURRENTLY, SO WE DO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS BEING REIMBURSED FOR LIKE MEETING WITH CONSTITUENTS, THAT KIND OF STUFF. NO, NO ONE, NO ONE IS TURNING IN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. MAKE SURE COULD, YOU'RE CLARIFYING THAT TECHNICALLY. YEAH. SO TECHNICALLY THEY COULD. SO IF THE EXPENSE IS A PROBLEM, YOU CAN TECHNICALLY SUBMIT IT TODAY. OKAY. NO ONE IS DOING IT, BUT IT CAN BE DONE. BUT THEN THAT, SO THAT ENDS UP TAKING FROM A DIFFERENT FUNDING, INCREASING OUR BUDGET IN ANOTHER AREA. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I GUESS, SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BALANCE. THAT'S A, THAT'S A BUDGET DISCUSSION. SO WE'LL TABLE THAT ONE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH. THANKS. YEAH. COUNCILMAN CORCORAN. TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MCKINNEY, THAT IS MY CONCERN HERE, RIGHT? SEVEN 50 A MONTH IS 9,000 A YEAR. AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE IS, UH, WELL IN EXCESS OF THAT. AND SO I HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE PERCEIVED BY THE PUBLIC. IT WAS NOT RECEIVED WELL IN MCKINNEY. AND I HAVE TO THINK, AGAIN, THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE RECEIVED WELL HERE EITHER. IT'S A THREE X INCREASE, UM, FROM, FROM WHERE OUR CURRENT SALARY IS. SO, UM, I, I JUST, I WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF, UM, A A THREE X INCREASE PERIOD. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I CAN BE VOTED DOWN ON THAT, BUT I, I, UNLESS WE CAN TIE THIS TO SOMETHING THAT I CAN CONFIDENTLY, CONFIDENTLY LOOK A RESIDENT IN THE FACE AND SAY, THIS IS WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING IT, I WILL NOT VOTE, UM, FOR, FOR AN INCREASE. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I STAND. UM, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT A REFERENDUM OUT JUST FOR IT TO FAIL. UM, IF THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR US TO, TO EXPLAIN IT. SO, SO MAYOR, I, UM, I JUST WANT TO BE, I WANT TO JUST LEVEL SET. SO WE ARE 20 MINUTES INTO THIS DISCUSSION, AND ALL THE LIGHTS ARE BACK ON . SO, I MEAN, I, I, THIS IS YOUR DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST WANT TO, WE JUST NEED TO BE EYES OPEN TO, UM, SO IS THERE A CON, I MEAN, THERE'S A CONSENSUS DEVELOPING, IT SEEMS. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO, UM, MS BEFORE WE ASK FOR RECOMMENDATION, HAS THE CITY DONE ANY HA HAS YOU OR YOUR STAFF DONE ANY HOMEWORK AND KIND OF COME UP WITH ANY SUGGESTIONS THERE? WAS THIS FULLY, FULLY PULLED OUT OF THE AIR BY THE COMMISSION, OR WAS THERE ANY SUGGESTION FROM STAFF ON THAT? NO, IT WASN'T PULLED OUT OF THE AIR BY THE COMMISSION. THEY, IT WAS FROM THIS, YEAH, ANYWAY, I'M SORRY. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT. I JUST SAY I BA I, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE, WE SUBMITTED THOSE, YOU KNOW, HOURS. WELL, SO, SO, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, UH, THE COMMISSION DID REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE HOURS THEY LOOKED AT, UM, WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING IN THE APPROACHES THAT OTHER CITIES, UH, HAD TAKEN. AND, UM, THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. I THINK, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE END OF THE EVENING, UM, THERE WAS A DEBATE BETWEEN THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE RIGHT NUMBER. UM, AND I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE MISCHARACTERIZING THE COMMISSION AT ALL TO SAY THEY PICKED THAT NUMBER, KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS, THAT YOU WOULD DEBATE THAT AND THAT THERE'D BE SOME CONSIDERATION. BUT THEY, THEY ALSO HAD TO PICK A NUMBER, UH, TO, TO SEND TO YOU AS A RECOMMENDATION. AND SO, UM, BUT, UH, BUT MAYOR IS, IS LOOK, LOOKING AT THE, THE CONSENSUS THAT, THAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT I'M SEEING THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, UH, A WILLINGNESS BY EVERYONE TO INCREASE IT TO SOME EXTENT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I'M COUNTING, AND MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE, I, I, UH, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU AS WELL. THAT'S ALRIGHT. BUT AS I'M COUNTING, THERE'S, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S, UH, PROBABLY FIVE STRONG FOR GOING BACK TO MONTHLY, GOING BACK TO MONTH. YOU MEAN GOING BACK, I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. GOING BACK TO PER DIEM, EXCUSE ME. YEAH, YEAH. GOING BACK TO PER DIEM, AND THAT NUMBER THAT KEEPS GETTING THROWN AROUND IS ANYWHERE FROM ONE 50 TO $200 A MONTH. SO SINCE I HAVEN'T SPOKEN, I SUPPOSE I'LL, I'LL JUST PUT MY 2 CENTS AND TRY TO MAKE IT SHORT. IN THE INTEREST OF, UM, TIME, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE BIGGEST THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UM, APPEARANCES SPECIFICALLY, UH, AROUND COMING BUDGET AND COMING BUDGETS. MM-HMM . SO NONE OF US KNOW YET WHAT OUR NEXT BUDGET'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND I JUST THINK THAT IT CAN BE A REALLY ROUGH LOOK IF SOMEHOW WE END UP GIVING OURSELVES RAISES WHEN AT THIS MOMENT I CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL BE RAISES THAT WE WOULD LOVE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY. AND SO, [01:50:01] UM, JUST AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LOOK IN PARTICULAR. UM, AND I DO THINK ESPECIALLY IN THE HEAT OF, OR AT THE MOMENT WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR FILINGS, UH, TO RUN FOR THESE POSITIONS, I THINK IF, IF THE ANSWER WAS, IS WE GOT PAID ZERO, THE CHANCES ARE THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD'VE CHOSEN NOT TO RUN. UM, UH, JUST, JUST AS A THOUGHT, THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS I HAVE YET, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST, AND I DEFINITELY AM NOT DIMINISHING, UH, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, BUT I HAVE YET TO HAVE SOMEONE SAY, THE REASON I'M NOT RUNNING IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MY ENDS MEET. WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS OF WHICH THAT WAS LOW ENOUGH TO WHERE I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD IT. SO, UM, DO WE HAVE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN OUR THOUGHTS? AND I'LL START WITH YOU, MAYOR, PER, I, I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS I DID THE MATH REAL QUICK. THE, THE, UM, GOING FROM THE 5,200 TO 1200, THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY $9,000. I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I, I THINK IT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH. I'M, I'M JUST LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYOR, PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT MANY OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT GO ON WHEN YOU'RE, ONCE YOU'RE ELECTED, UM, THAT, THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE ISSUES THAN, THAN THE COMPENSATION. SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS A VERY, VERY FAIR COMMENT. I JUST WANTED TO TAG ONTO THAT REAL FAST. AND, AND I, I WILL, LET ME JUST ADD ONE LAST THING. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T EVEN COMPLETE MY TOTAL THOUGHT HERE, BUT WHATEVER NUMBER WE DO LAND ON, UH, ASSUMING IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME NUMBER WE HAVE TODAY, I WOULD ALSO LOVE IT IF WE CONSIDERED IT BEING AN NTE, UH, A NOT TO EXCEED. SO WHETHER THAT'S 200 OR 150 OR A THOUSAND OR 2000, I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO BE AN NTE FOR US, MEANING THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE WOULD THEN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD TAKE A STEP TOWARDS THAT NUMBER. ESPECIALLY IN CASE, HEAVEN FORBID WE EVER GET TO A POINT IN THE BUDGET WHERE WE REALLY DON'T FEEL EVEN LESS COMFORTABLE ABOUT GIVING OURSELVES ANY KIND OF MOTION FORWARD. SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY OTHER THOUGHT ON THAT FRONT COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN. YEAH, I'M JUST, AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE, UH, IT'S, IT'S NONE OF US WERE, NONE OF US DECIDED TO RUN FOR OFFICE BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE MONEY. WE ALL MAKE MONEY IN OUR OTHER FULL-TIME SHOPS. AND I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE LISTENING UNDERSTANDS IT'S NOT REALLY A MATTER OF WHAT TYPE OF COMPENSATION IT IS. IT'S, IT'S SETTING UP THE FUTURE FOR COMPENSATION. IT IS SHOWING NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGE FOR THE NEW GENERATION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE. THE CITY IN THE PAST HAS HAD A, A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ABLE AND IN POSITIONS THAT COULD RUN FOR AN OFFICE SEAT, AND THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY OR NECESSARILY NEED ANY OF THAT INCOME. AND NOT THAT WE DO EITHER, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT IT SETS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CITY TO SHOW THAT WE'RE HERE TO MAKE THESE REVISIONS AND WE WANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT WANNA RUN FOR THE FUTURE. 'CAUSE HONESTLY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT SEEM TO BE WANTING TO STEP UP. SO EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, AND I'M OPEN TO JUST, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFYING THIS TO SOME OTHER AMOUNT, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE 1200, I JUST USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF MONEY. BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S SETTING UP THE FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF FUTURE COUNCIL, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE THE YOUNGER GENERATION, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, WE'RE CYCLING THROUGH OUR OLDER GENERATION AS WE SPEAK. PERFECT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT REALLY CLEAR AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT THE, THE COUNCIL DOES PUT IN. PERFECT. AND WHETHER, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. SPEAKING OF TIME AND EFFORT, I, I, WHAT I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO IS IF, IF WE CAN MAYBE START RALLYING AROUND A POTENTIAL NUMBER AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A COMFORT LEVEL WITH NTE, UH, AS A CONCEPT. SO, I DUNNO, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING DEFINITELY DIFFERENT, OR YOU, DID YOU HAVE A NUMBER YOU WANTED TO THROW? I LIKE YOUR IDEA THAT NTE, UM, I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO STRONG OPINION ON THIS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S OTHERS ON THE COUNCIL THAT AGREE WITH YOU. THERE'S A COUPLE STRONG OPINIONS. SO WHEN I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION, I'D SAY, OBVIOUSLY THEY DEBATED UPON THIS FOR HOURS, MOVE THAT FORWARD. I DO THINK THAT'S A LITTLE HIGH OF A NUMBER, BUT IF WE, FOR A SAKE OF TIME, I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S NO STRONG OPINION, NO STRONG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, LET'S MOVE THAT FORWARD WHERE IT'S AT. BUT NTE, JUST A NUMBER OUTTA MY BRAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST PULLING OUTTA THE AIR. I, I THINK I'VE MADE 4,100 ON THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR, WHAT IT CAME OUT TO. SO, AND CURRENTLY THE NTE IS 5,000. SO IF WE TAKE THAT UP TO EIGHT, THAT'S KIND OF A NUMBER I'M PULLING OUTTA THE AIR. IT'S KIND OF AN INBETWEEN NUMBER. BUT [01:55:01] AGAIN, I'M ALSO OPEN TO SENDING THIS AS IT IS TO THE VOTER, JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT STRONG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. FAIR ENOUGH. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, UH, YEAH, I, I AGREE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST REVERT BACK TO THE LANGUAGE THAT IT SHOULD BE PER MEETING. MM-HMM . AND THERE SHOULD BE A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER. OKAY. UM, TIED TO WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE DECIDE IS THAT 200 MEETING, 300, MEETING ONE 50, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. I, I KNOW ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED BY YOU EARLIER, AND, AND I HEARD SOME, SOME, UH, UH, COLLABORATION OR AT LEAST AGREEMENT THERE IS THE, THERE'S A ONE 50 POTENTIALLY AS A WHAT, WHAT THE, UH, THE VALUE MIGHT BE TODAY COMPARED TO 10 YEARS AGO. AND THE IDEA OF A FUTURE NUMBER OF 200. SO ONE POSSIBILITY IS THAT WE SAID THE NOT TO EXCEED WOULD BE BE 200, WHICH WOULD GIVE COUNCILS THE ABILITY TO STAIR STEP UP OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS IF AND WHEN, AS WE SEE THE BUDGETS MAKING SENSE. THAT'S A POSSIBLE APPROACH. BUT I, LET ME, LET ME GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER. I, I WOULD, I JUST, HOW WOULD THAT WORK IS MY QUESTION? SO, SO WE WOULD, UH, IT WOULD HAVE TO WRITE IT INTO THE CHARTER THAT THE NOT TO EXCEED IT WOULD BE, UH, THE $200 PER MEETING. YOU WOULD, FUTURE COUNCILS WOULD DECIDE THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS DURING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO IF YOU WANTED TO START AT ONE 50 WITH A $200 NOT TO EXCEED, UH, $200 PER MEETING, NOT TO EXCEED, WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WRITE, WRITE IT THAT WAY. AND THEN EVERY YEAR, THE COUNCIL, JUST LIKE YOUR CONSIDER CITY SECRETARY, CITY MANAGER, OTHER, UH, SALARIES, YOU WOULD CONSIDER YOUR OWN SALARY. MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD DO AN NTE OF 200, AND THEN AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH THIS BUDGET, OR ONCE WE HIT THIS, NOT THIS BUDGET, BUT THE BUDGET AFTER, I SUPPOSE WE COULD, WE COULD THEN PICK A NUMBER BASED ON WHAT WE SAW FROM THE BUDGET AND, AND WHAT WE SAW FROM, SO YOUR ELECTION WOULD BE IN NOVEMBER, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD GET THE APPROVAL IN NOVEMBER. SO YOUR, YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO IMPLEMENT THIS, UH, IN A BUDGET WOULD BE FY 27, WHICH WOULD BE ADOPTED IN OCTOBER OF 26. FAIR ENOUGH. YES. COUNCILMAN CORCORAN. I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUL, YOU WERE NEXT. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. ? UH, NO, I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA NOT TO EXCEED OUR, OUR MEETING. UH, THOSE ARE GOOD, BUT DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO CHANGE IT FROM 100 TO 200? WHY NOT LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT AS IS? I MEAN, WELL, IF WE DID AN NOT EXCEED 100 AND WE'RE ALREADY AT A HUNDRED, I MEAN, WHY EVEN BOTHER CHANGING IT? I MEAN, THIS IS MY OPINION. YEAH. JUST, UH, LEAVE IT AS IS MY OPINION. OKAY. BUT IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT, I MEAN, THIS IS, THOSE ARE REASONABLE, THESE ARE STILL TOKEN MONEY. SO YES. I JUST DON'T WANNA GIVE, I JUST DON'T WANNA GIVE WRONG MESSAGE OUTSIDE THAT THIS IS LIKE SIGNIFICANT THINGS. SURE. OF COURSE NOT. AND BIG RAISE. WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT. BUT I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PUT A PIN ON IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. I MEAN, I JUST WANNA SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S, WE TALK ABOUT GIVING OURSELVES A RAISE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANNA RUN. WELL, MAYBE THEY WOULD WANNA RUN IF THE MONEY TO BE ON COUNCIL WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. MAYBE, MAYBE SAY, OH, WELL, I DON'T WANNA RUN. IT'S TOO MUCH TIME. WELL, MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TIME IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN COMPENSATION. SO I CAN GET BEHIND AN NTE OF 200 MEETING. OKAY. UM, NOT THAT MY VOTE IS GONNA MAKE OR BREAK ANYWAY. SURE. GIVEN THE WAY THE SESSION'S GOING, BUT WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, I'M HOPING THIS IS OUR LAST COMMENT. I DON'T, WELL, AS LONG AS WE START, DON'T START INTRODUCING MORE IDEAS, I'LL KEEP QUIET. SURE. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING THAT KIND OF WORK ON STAFF, ON COUNCIL EVERY YEAR, UH, TO, TO INCREASE. I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT. WHEN I SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF NTE, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT ON A, UH, ON A 10 YEAR BASIS WHEN WE REVIEW THE CHARTER LIKE IT CURRENTLY IS. OH. SO I DO NOT SUPPORT THE NTE BEING IN, IN RELATION TO THE YEARLY, UH, WITH THE YEAH. YEAH. I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN JUSTICE. YOU JUST SAID DEFAULT BACK TO THE LANGUAGE OF EV EVERY 10 YEARS. WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE ON THAT NUMBER. YEAH. BUT IF WE CAN'T DECIDE QUICKLY, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. SO, UH, I PERSONALLY WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF ANY MOVEMENT UNLESS THERE'S AN NTE BECAUSE IF WE GIVE OURSELVES A RAISE AND WE SOMEHOW GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T GIVE OTHER PEOPLE A RAISE, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR ME. SO I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY BEING OUTVOTED THERE, BUT, OR OUT CONSIDERED, SINCE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SO, SO MAYOR, THE OTHER, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO DO NOTHING. YOU, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION. UH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN SOME CONSENSUS DEVELOPING, BUT IF, IF THERE IS NO CONSENSUS DEVELOPING YOUR OTHER, AND I'LL JUST STOP THERE. BUT YEAH, YOUR OTHER OPTION IS TO DO NOTHING WITH THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION. AND REGARDING THE WORK, COUNCILMAN MARIOS, I MEAN, WE DO A BUDGET EVERY YEAR, SO THE WORK IS DONE, AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S A VERY QUICK LINE ITEM THAT, UH, ADJUSTS WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS IF WE DID DO IT AS AN NTE. BUT IF THERE'S NOT, UH, CONSENSUS AROUND THAT, UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE THAT SAYS DO NOTHING. UM, ANY FINAL THOUGHTS? COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE? YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY. IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AROUND DO NOTHING, I'M FINE WITH THAT. BUT IF THERE'S A DESIRE [02:00:01] TO DO SOMETHING, I, I AGREE. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS TOO COMPLICATED. OKAY. THAT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT A, NOT TO EXCEED IT WAS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW, WHICH IS WE, YOU WILL NOT GET MORE THAN 5,200, UH, PER YEAR. SURE. UM, AND THAT, THAT IS WHAT I WANTED FROM A NOT TO EXCEED, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A YEAR WHERE WE MEET 60 TIMES, WE CAN'T GET $6,000 THAT YEAR. GOT IT. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A NOT TO EXCEED. I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND IN FAIRNESS, THE COUNCIL HASN'T HAD A RAISE IN 10 YEARS. UM, AND SO I, I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT WE WOULDN'T WANNA GIVE OURSELVES A RAISE. BUT I THINK BY LOOKING AT IT EVERY YEAR, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. AND IT MAKES IT WEIRD. VERSUS JUST THIS ONE TIME GOING TO THE VOTERS AND SAYING, THERE'S NOT BEEN A RAISE IN 10 YEARS. CPI SAYS, IT SHOULD BE $157. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TYING IT TO, OR WHATEVER. SO I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY PERHAPS ONE 50. ARE THERE THREE OTHERS THAT THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO THE ONE 50? OR, OR DO WE LEAVE IT ALONE? I HEAR ONE LEAVE IT ALONE. I'VE GOT 1, 1 50. ANYONE ELSE? I, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCIL OF JUSTICE. GO TO ONE 50, GO TO ONE 50, SAYS TWO AT ONE 50, YOU GONNA LEAVE IT ALONE OR YOU'RE GONNA GO TO ONE 50? YES. . COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. I MEAN, IF IT'S BETWEEN LEAVE IT ALONE AND ONE 50, THEN I MEAN, IT'S ONE 50. BUT, ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, WHY ARE THOSE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS? I DON'T DECIDED I ONLY, ONLY BECAUSE, ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME COALESCING WELL, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. LIKE, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE IDEAS. PERHAPS WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AGAIN NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER SECTIONS AND SORT OF WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA REACH FAIR ENOUGH. FAIR ENOUGH. ALRIGHT. I TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT IF, WHAT IF STAFF BRINGS BACK, BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WHAT IF WE BRING BACK ONE OR TWO OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND LAY IT OUT AS A PROPOSAL, AND THEN HAVE YOU, YOU REACT? LET'S DO THAT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. LET'S DO THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, AND MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I APOLOGIZE. LET ME, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT'LL BE IMPORTANT PERHAPS, UM, IN THIS SECTION, BUT DEFINITELY OTHERS THAT WE TAKE THESE SEQUENTIALLY EVEN WITHIN THE ARTICLE. SO, UM, I, I SKIPPED OVER. IS, ARE, ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT 3 0 1 THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE? 3 0 1 IS NOT 3 0 1 WAS NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE CHANGED, NOR WAS 3 0 2. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, GREAT. UH, THREE. ARE ANY COMMENTS ON 3 0 3? MAYOR PRO? TIM? NO. COUNCILMAN CHIME? ARE YOU PRESSING YOUR BUTTON? 3 0 6. 3 0 6. OKAY. SO 3 0 4. WE WILL PREPARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU, UH, NEXT WEEK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 3 0 6 IS, UH, COUNCIL MISCONDUCT. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, SIR? I DO HAVE A LITTLE QUESTION ON THAT ONE. UH, I'M JUST PLAYING, YOU KNOW, THE WORDING THINGS, YOU KNOW, A WILLFUL VIOLATION OF ANY PROVISION OF THIS CHARTER BY ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL. NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR TOGETHER? OR JUST THE P YES, IT'S BOTH. OKAY. BOTH BECAUSE WE HAVE SEPARATED MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. OTHER SECTION. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME DEFINED EARLIER. RIGHT. IT'S, IT IS DEFINED. AND WE'LL ALSO PUT THAT IN A PROPOSED SECTION PROVIDING DEFINITION OF SO BEING EASY REFERENCE. I GOT IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. GREAT. SO, UM, AND, AND, UH, MAYOR, UH, DRAWING YOUR ATTENTION, 3 0 6 WAS THE CHARTER COMMISSION. 3 0 6. AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL RED, THAT IS A CLARIFICATION AGAIN, UM, UH, REALLY ARTICULATING, UH, THE COMPLAINT OR CHARGE AND HOW, UM, IT WOULD BE, UH, MADE AND THEN HOW IT WOULD BE HANDLED. AND, UM, THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UM, OKAY. SO 3 0 7, 3 0 8 AND 3 0 9. YES, SIR. JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION THAT I'M, I'M STILL NOT QUITE CLEAR ON IS, IS IT SAYS HERE THAT ANY COMPLAINT OR CHARGE OF OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT AGAINST A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE MADE IN WRITING AND FILED, BUT IT DOESN'T, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE, BUT THAT BEFORE WE WOULD GO INTO A, I GUESS A HEARING THAT THERE'S ANY KIND OF, I, I'M NOT SEEING ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S LIKE AN INVESTIGATION. SO IF TOMORROW I JUST SIMPLY SAID, HEY, I WANNA FILE A CHARGE AGAINST COUNCILMAN X. MM-HMM . I'M JUST GONNA USE X 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY ANYBODY. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF REVIEW BEFORE WE IMMEDIATELY GO INTO A HEARING. AND WE PUT THE ONUS ON THAT, ON THAT COUNSEL PERSON TO, IF I'M READING, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS, TO PRE PRESENT EVIDENCE IN HIS OR HER DEFENSE, I MEAN, I, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF INVESTIGATION TO SAY THERE'S A VALIDITY TO THE CHARGE. MM-HMM . BECAUSE IN ESSENCE, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, ANYBODY COULD, COULD COME FORTH AND SAY, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CHARGE OF MISCONDUCT AND THEN THE WHOLE SPOTLIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST, TO ME IT READS A LITTLE BIT, PARDON, PARDON ME FOR, THIS MAY BE A LITTLE STRONG, BUT UNCONSTITUTIONAL [02:05:01] FROM STANDPOINT OF I BELIEVE YOU'RE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. MM-HMM . AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, YOU'RE GUILTY UNTIL YOU CAN PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT. AND SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. 'CAUSE I STRUGGLE WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT. PETE, SMILING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SAID. I'M, I DON'T REMEMBER YET. WE, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AT THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT. SO, UH, WE, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN ALL THESE WAS TRY NOT TO REWRITE THE WHOLE SECTION UNLESS WE NO, I UNDERSTAND. ABSOLUTELY. HAD TO. YEAH. SO WE TRIED TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING LANGUAGE AND, UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD IN THERE THAT THERE'LL BE AN INVESTIGATION, THEN THE QUESTION IS INVESTIGATION BY WHO. AND THEN, UH, NOTICE, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS CAPTURE THE MINIMUM OF DUE DUE PROCESS THAT'S IN THERE. ALL IT SAYS IS THAT THAT'S A GROUNDS AND A, A WILLFUL VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER MAY BE GROUNDS FOR MISCONDUCT. THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. AND SO, SO, SO WE'RE HERE, WE'RE HERE TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES YOU WANT. AND, AND IF I'M THE ONLY ONE FEELING THIS WAY, Y'ALL, SOMEONE ELSE SAY SOMETHING AND I'LL, AND I'LL STOP. I'M WITH YOU. OKAY. SO I'M, I'M JUST, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN BECAUSE LITERALLY ANYONE COULD STEP FORWARD TONIGHT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK COUNCIL PERSON X WILL WILLFULLY, UH, THEY HAVE TO SWEAR IT BEFORE A NOTARY PUBLIC. SO IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PERJURE THEMSELVES, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE. BUT MM-HMM. I A AGREED. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO, SO, UH, MAYOR PRO, THE OTHER, THE OTHER POINT I'LL MAKE, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, SIMILAR TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE IS THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, CAN TAKE THAT, THE COUNCIL CAN RECEIVE THAT REPORT. AND IF THE COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT IT'S NOT VALID AND THERE'S NO NEED TO PROCEED, THEN THAT'S FINE AS WELL. I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN, IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER A PUBLIC HEARING IN WHICH A COUNCIL PERSON HAS TO DEFEND THEMSELF. IF YOU RECEIVE A, IF YOU RECEIVE A COMPLAINT AND YOU LOOK AT IT ON ITS FACE, YOU DETERMINE THERE'S NO ISSUE. AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING DOESN'T NEED TO BE HELD SO THAT THAT PERSON CAN DEFEND THEMSELF. YOU CAN JUST DISMISS THE COMPLAINT. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. OR, OR ASK, I DON'T READ THAT IN HERE THOUGH, OR ASK FOR THAT. THE, THAT, THAT BE INVESTIGATED. SO I, I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T READ THAT IN HERE. TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OUR HANDS ARE VERY TI TIED THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN. DO, THAT'S MY CONCERN. OKAY. ALL IT'S DOING IS GIVING YOU A GROUNDS FOR MISCONDUCT. A VIOLATION OF THE CHARGE IS GROUNDS FOR MISCONDUCT. I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY. IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PUT IN WRITING SWORN TO BY THE PERSON COMPLAINING. CORRECT. AND THEN IT SAYS, THAT PERSON WHO'S ACCUSED OF IT WILL BE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE A COPY OF AND CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES MINIMUM DUE PROCESS. IF YOU WANNA ORDER INVESTIGATION OR IF THE COUNSEL FINDS IT'S CRAZY. WE, WE, WE, WE, WE OBJECT THIS COMPLAINT ALTOGETHER. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE DETAILED MECHANISMS IN THERE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT IF YOU WANT, MUCH LIKE YOU, I DO, I GUESS I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF IT SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, COUNSEL HAS THE RIGHT TO, TO, UM, CALL FOR AN INVESTIGATION OR, OR, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT PRIOR TO THIS, THIS OFFICIAL HEARING WHERE THE, THE COUNCIL PERSON WHO'S CHARGED HAS TO PRESENT EVIDENCE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE CODE OF ETHICS. EXACTLY. UNDERSTOOD. THAT, THAT, AND AGAIN, I'M RECOGNIZED, I'M ONE VOTE. SO IF ANYBODY FEELS DIFFERENTLY, PLEASE JUMP IN. OR, OR WE COULD JUST REFERENCE THE CODE OF ETHICS, AND THEN AS WE CHANGE THE CODE OF ETHICS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD FALL INTO IT. WELL, BUT THIS, THIS, THIS IS, I MEAN, A VIOLATION OF THIS CHARTER DOESN'T NECESSARILY THAT'S A GOOD POINT. RIGHT. SO WHAT, WHAT LET US DO THIS. UM, I, THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE MAY BE A STEP BETWEEN THE RED HIGHLIGHTED AREA AND THE LAST SENTENCE. YES. AND SO, LET IT, LET US GO BACK. LET US GO BACK. AND NOW THE ETHICS MAYOR WILL BE A GREAT, COULD BE A GREAT MODEL. SURE. 'CAUSE THE ETHICS CODE IS VERY ARTICULATE ABOUT HOW THESE WILL BE, I MEAN, STEP BY STEP MM-HMM . AND SO, UM, UH, MAYOR PROTO, UM, IF THAT'S AGREEABLE, WE WILL, WE'LL TAKE THAT AS HOMEWORK AND THAT'LL BE A FOLLOW UP FOR NEXT WEEK AS WELL. COUNCILOR BAR. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT COUNT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM IS STATING. SO I DO WANNA SAY THAT I, I AGREE WITH YOU. UM, I DON'T KNOW THE WORDING THERE, BUT YOU GUYS I'M SURE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT. UH, I DO HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION QUESTION HERE. UM, WHICH, WHICH SECTION? UH, ON THE SECTION WHERE DISCUSSION 3.06. OKAY. THE, WHEN, WHEN, HOW HAS THIS PROCESS HAPPENED? LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN. BRADER BRINGS A CONCERN ABOUT SUBJECT X. COUNCILMAN I OR MYSELF? HE HAS, HE HAS AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING I DID. HE WANTS, HE, HE BELIEVES THERE SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION. IS THAT HAPPENING? EXECUTIVE SESSION. DOES THIS HAPPEN? AN OPEN SESSION? CAN WE HAVE CLARIFICATION AROUND WHAT THAT IS? IS IT UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE THAT? BECAUSE IT'S A PERSONNEL ISSUE, I FEEL LIKE WHETHER IT'S ONE OR THE [02:10:01] OTHER, OR GIVING THE COUNSEL THE OPTION TO DECIDE, I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED. UNLESS THAT'S CLARIFIED SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND I MISSED THAT. CAN I GET WELL, THE VOTE, THE VOTE WOULD ULTIMATELY, THE VOTE WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE TAKEN IN PUBLIC. RIGHT. COULD THEY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND THEN COME OUT? I WOULD RATHER NOT. I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A COUNCIL THAT GOES ROGUE OR DOES SOMETHING, TRY TO DO SOMETHING IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT SHOULD BE DONE PUBLIC. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A PUBLIC WAY. IS WHERE I'M COMING WITH THIS IN THE SPIRIT, WHICH I'M ASKING. IT ACTUALLY WOULD GO IN UNDER, UNDER, YOU COULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER PERSONNEL. 'CAUSE IT'S AN OFFICIAL, AND IT'S MISCONDUCT AGAINST THAT SPECIFICALLY NAMED, OFFICIAL. SO THAT OFFICIAL'S NAME WOULD APPEAR ON, ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT OFFICIAL COULD THEN WAIVE THEIR RIGHT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND SAY, I WANT THIS TO BE IN PUBLIC. BUT IT'S THAT OFFICIAL'S RIGHT. TO EITHER GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION OR THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE IT IN PUBLIC. AND WHERE, WHERE'S THAT? WHERE, HOW WOULD I, AS AN OFFICIAL KNOW THAT WE DID YOU MEAN, WHERE'S THAT LAW? OR WHAT'S THAT? IS THAT STATE LAW? YEAH. YEAH. STATE LAW. IT'S, YEAH. IT'S BASICALLY UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. OKAY. THE GOVERNMENT IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, 3 0 7, 3 0 8, OR 3 0 9. ANYTHING FROM THE COUNCIL? UH, THREE 10 IS A SIMPLE CHANGE. UH, THERE WAS CITIZEN, UM, UH, CITIZENS OF THE CITY WERE REFERRED TO THREE TIMES IN THE CHARTER, UH, IN TWO LOCATIONS, INCLUDING THREE 10. UH, WE FELT THE PUBLIC WAS MORE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, OF, OF, UH, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE. AND I'LL COVER THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS AS WE GET THERE. UM, UH, THREE 13, UH, WAS, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MODERNIZING THE LANGUAGE. UH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, MORE THAN ANYTHING, JUST KIND OF, UM, CLARIFYING WHO IS AUTHORIZED TO SERVE IT. SO INSTEAD OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, UH, OR POLICE OFFICERS, UH, ANY PERSON AUTHORIZED TO SERVE. AND THEN, UH, THE PROPOSED ADMIN, ADMIN, UH, OR A CHANGE TO THREE 14, UH, IS TO ELIMINATE IT. UH, STAFF PROPOSED STRIKING THIS LANGUAGE BECAUSE THIS AUTHORITY IS ARTICULATED IN STATE LAW. AND THIS, UH, THREE 14 IS ANTIQUATED, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, PROVIDING THAT, UH, THAT AUTHORITY. UH, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, UH, THREE 15. THERE WERE NO CHANGES. SO, MR. MAGNAR MM-HMM . THREE 14, UM, STATE, WAS THAT SOMETHING REAL RECENT STATE LAW CHANGE? AND WHAT IS THAT AUTHORITY? IT'S, IT WASN'T A RECENT STATE LAW CHANGE. IT'S JUST A VERY , IT'S, IT'S IN THE ELECTION CODE, AND IT'S VARIED FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT IT'S A, IT'S AN HISTORICAL PROVISION THAT MANY CHARTERS HAVE HAD OVER, OVER THE YEARS. AND SO IT WOULD BE TRUE IF THAT PERSON IS LISTED IN THAT STATUTE OR AS A NOTARY. AND SINCE IT'S ALREADY COVERED BY STATE LAW, THERE'S NO NECESSITY TO HAVE IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT A RECENT CHANGE. IT'S JUST A VERY OUTDATED SECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES. . UM, OKAY. SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I WILL, UH, DEFER TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE ON FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER. WE CAN DO THAT MAYBE TO EIGHT 30 AND SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD FOR GOOD PLAN? OKAY. SURE. UH, ARTICLES, DON, I JUST WANNA MAKE CORRECTION. IT WAS 6 0 2, THE OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. GOVERNMENT CODE, NOT THE ELECTION OF CODE. THANKS, PETE. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. UH, ARTICLE FOUR, NO CHANGE TO 4 0 1. 4 0 2. UH, SIMPLY, UH, 4 0 2 AND 4 0 4, UH, MAKING THEM CONGRUENT AND ALIGNED. UH, ADDING THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR DISTRICT PLACES, UH, THAT, THAT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR PRIOR. UM, AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, AND, UH, 4 0 3, THE ONLY OTHER CHANGE WAS ADDING CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UH, TO 4 0 3, WHICH IS ONE WORD, QUALIFIED VOTERS FROM ALL DISTRICTS OF THE CITY. UH, NO OTHER CHANGES IN IN ARTICLE FOUR. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ARTICLE FIVE. UH, NO. UM, LET'S SEE. UH, NO, UH, ONE CHANGE TO 5 0 1. UH, JUST, UH, CLARIFYING QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY TAKING OUT ELECTORS, QUALIFIED TO VOTE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY IS THE CONSISTENT LANGUAGE YOU'LL FIND THROUGHOUT. UH, AND THEN, UM, SECTION, UH, 5 0 2. SIMPLY CLARIFYING, SIMPLIFYING THE LANGUAGE. UH, HERE YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND CITIZENS, UM, UH, UM, CHANGED, UH, TO RESIDENTS, PETITIONING RESIDENTS, NOT PETITIONING CITIZENS. RESIDENTS CAN SIGN THE PETITION, NOT JUST ANY CITIZEN NECESSARILY. THAT'S IN SECTION 5 0 3. UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE. THAT, UM, IS THE ONLY OTHER CHANGE IN ARTICLE FIVE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES OR ANY, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY OF THE OTHER SECTIONS IN, IN ARTICLE FIVE, COUNCILMAN BAR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MR. MAGER, WHAT WAS THE, UM, THE 5 0 1 QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY? THAT IS ANYBODY WHO'S QUALIFIED TO REGISTER FOR A VOTE. CORRECT. IT'S REGISTERED VOTERS. REGISTERED VOTER, AND QUALIFIED VOTERS ARE THE SAME. OKAY. SO [02:15:01] WE HAD CHANGED IT TO QUALIFIED VOTERS IN 2015. AND SO WE DIDN'T CATCH ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT, CLEAN IT UP. BUT QUALIFIED VOTER IS SOMEONE WHO'S ELIGIBLE VOTE IN THE CITY. AND NOT JUST ELIGIBLE VOTE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, 50 AND HAVE NEVER VOTED. REGISTERED VOTER. IT'S A REGISTERED VOTE. YEAH. REGISTERED VOTERS. YES. OKAY. THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS WE WILL LIKELY ADD TO THE DEFINITIONS SECTION. PERFECT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. A VERY IMPORTANT CHAPTER, ARTICLE SIX, UH, CITY MANAGER, UM, UH, 6 0 1. UH, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, REMOVING A CITY MANAGER WAS, UH, RE RELOCATED TO SECTION 6 0 4, WHICH IS REMOVAL, UH, SECTION 6 0 2. UH, WE JUST ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UH, OF THE CITY. UM, NO CHANGE IN SECTION, UH, 6 0 3. SECTION 6 0 4 IS THE REMOVAL. AGAIN, JUST RELOCATED THE LANG LANGUAGE FROM 6 0 1 AND OFFERED SOME CLARIFICATION. UM, FURTHER, UM, 6 0 5, UH, WAS SIMPLY ADDING CLARIFYING LANGUAGE AS, AS WELL. I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT 6 0 4. OKAY. UM, THIS WAS ONE I KNOW WE SPOKE OF. 'CAUSE I HAD QUESTIONS ON CLARIFYING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I GUESS WAS ASKED, AND I WAS THINKING OF, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE, LET'S SEE, WHERE'S THE LINE? UM, IT'S THE SECOND LINE, 6 0 4, UNLESS PROVIDED IN AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT BY THE CITY MANAGER. SO WE AS A COUNCIL, HAVE ABILITY TO REMOVE A CITY MANAGER BY A MAJORITY VOTE. MM-HMM . WHICH IS CURRENTLY FOUR OUTTA SEVEN. RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE CERTAIN CITY MANAGERS, WHICH, UM, THAT ADDED INTO THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY NEED A SUPER MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO BE REMOVED, WHICH ADDS SIX. RIGHT. UH, I DO WANNA STATE THAT I AM NOT A FAN OF THAT IN ANY 'CAUSE. THERE ARE SO MANY WITHIN A, ANY CONTRACT, ESPECIALLY AT THIS LEVEL OF AN EXECUTIVE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PROTECT, OBVIOUSLY, CITY MANAGER AS A PROFESSIONAL. RIGHT. UH, THAT, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A BALANCING WITH PROTECTING THE CITIZENS. YEAH. UH, AND, AND THE INVESTMENT THEY HAVE IN OUR CITY. YEAH. SO I AM NOT A FAN OF ADDING THE OR THE LINE UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A PRIMARILY VOLUNTEER COUNSEL, UM, HAVING THAT PROVISION FOR, UH, FUTURE COUNCILS TO ADD THAT INTO A CITY MANAGER CONTRACT IS A CONCERN OF MINE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A VOLUNTEER COUNCIL, REALITY IS YOU DO DEPEND HEAVILY ON STAFF. AND THAT GOES THROUGH A CITY MANAGER IN A, IN A, IN A GOVERNMENT STYLE THAT WE HAVE. SO BY ADDING THAT LINE OF HAVING THAT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I'M CONCERNED OF, OF OUR CURRENCY MANAGER, UH, BUT FUTURE CITY MANAGERS, FUTURE COUNCILS, IF THAT WERE ADDED TO A CON TO A CONTRACT THAT ALMOST REMOVES SOME OF THE POWER OF THE COUNCIL. AND THE ONE POWER, ONE OF THE FEW POWERS THAT COUNCIL HAS IS THE APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL OF A CITY MANAGER FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PROCESS. SO IF I CAN ADD A, BEFORE WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, IF I CAN ONLY ADD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIO, SUBSEQUENT TO OUR DISCUSSION, I, I WENT BACK AND FURTHER EVALUATED THIS. TH THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, UM, A CITY, A CITY MAN. THIS DOES NOT SPEAK TO US. THIS SECTION WHERE IT SAYS, UNLESS OTHERWISE, PROVIDED IN AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY MANAGER, IF THE CITY MANAGER IS REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY A VOTE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, AFTER SERVING THE FIRST THREE MONTHS FOLLOWING APPOINTMENT TO OFFICE, THE CITY MANAGER MAY DEMAND WRITTEN CHARGES. SO ALL, ALL THIS IS SAYING IS THAT UNLESS IT'S OTHERWISE STATED IN THE CONTRACT, THAT'S NOT A LATITUDE THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE, THAT IF HE'S WORTH THREE MONTHS, HE CAN DEMAND THAT IT BE IN CHARGES. THIS, THIS, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED, I DON'T READ IT AT ALL AS IT APPLIES TO THE FIRST BULLET. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT PETE AND I WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER. UM, UH, AGAIN, NOT, NOT, NOT, UH, FULLY APPRECIATING THE, THE POINT OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION THAT NIGHT. UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, ONLY REFERS TO THE FACT THAT, UM, IF THE MANAGER WORKS THREE MONTHS, THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, JUST LIKE YOU AS A COUNCIL PERSON, WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, NO, I WANT THIS TO BE DONE IN PUBLIC. THAT MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT TO, TO SAY THE SAME THING THAT THEY WANT THAT TO BE HEARD IN PUBLIC NOW. BUT LET ME MAKE CLEAR, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT A COUNSEL, YOU, YOU, OR A FUTURE COUNSEL FROM NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT WITH A MANAGER THAT SAYS IT REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY, NOTHING PROHIBITS THAT TODAY, AND NOTHING IS BEING PROPOSED THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT. THIS, THIS EXCLUSIVELY TALKS ABOUT THE MANAGER'S RIGHT TO HAVE THESE CHARGES IN PUBLIC. THAT'S ALL THAT ALL THAT'S ALL THIS ADDITION REFERS TO WITH YOUR EXPLANATION. I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. UH, CITY, CITY ATTORNEY. CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THAT IS YES. YES. THERE WAS AGREEMENT AND THAT'S, YES, I AGREE WITH THE INTERPRETATION AND THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE. OKAY. YEP. ALRIGHT. [02:20:01] THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, AGAIN, 6 0 5 ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UM, TO THE POWERS AND DUTIES. UH, NOTHING, UM, OF ANY CONSEQUENCE. UH, LET ME TURN THIS, UH, SECTION OVER AND THIS MAY BE A GOOD ONE. UH, UH, THIS NEXT COUPLE HERE MAY BE A GOOD ONE TO END ON. UM, MR. UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK, UM, UM, MR. GODA, UH, TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT, UH, ABOUT 6 0 6 AND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE FOUND, UM, THAT I THINK MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO YOU. SO, JOE, LET ME THROW IT TO YOU. SO, UH, SO STARTING WITH 6 0 6, BOND OF THE CITY MANAGER. SO THIS, THIS SECTION AS IT STANDS TODAY, SETS OUT BASICALLY THE MINIMUM THE CITY CHARTER SETS OUT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE SURETY BOND, UM, FOR THE CITY MANAGER, JUST SPECIFICALLY THE CITY, THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION. BUT CURRENTLY, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SURETY BOND REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TODAY FOR THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY HAS IN PLACE, WHICH IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CHARTER, BUT THE CITY ALSO HAS IN PLACE A CRIMES POLICY AND AN ERRORS AND ADMISSIONS POLICY. BOTH OF THOSE POLICIES, THE CRIMES POLICY AND THE ERRORS OF ADMISSIONS POLICY, UNLIKE THE SURETY COVER, ALL EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE CITY COVERS ALL THE EMPLOYEES. THE AS SURETY BOND HAS TO BE NAMED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE SURETY BOND'S ABOUT $350 EACH. SO IT WOULD BE THREE 50 FOR EACH EMPLOYEE. THE POLICIES WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY COVER ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES. NOW, THE SURETY BOND DISTINCTION, IT SEEKS THAT RESTITUTION AGAINST THAT, SPECIFICALLY NAMED EMPLOYEE OF THE PERSON OF THE SURETY BOND IS COVERING, UM, THE CRIMES POLICY AND THE HEIRS AND OMISSIONS POLICY. THEY DO NOT PRECLUDE THE CITY, THE CITY GOING BACK IN FROM SEEKING RECOVERY FROM BOTH, UM, THE EMPLOYEE EITHER, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A CIVIL ACTION OR A CRIMINAL ACTION. SAME WITH THE SURETY BOND, THE SURETY, WE COULD ALWAYS GO BACK THROUGH, THROUGH A, A CRIMINAL ACTION IF WE WANT TO, AND, AND, AND BASICALLY SEEK RECOVERY FROM THAT EMPLOYEE. A LOT OF TIMES, WHETHER IT'S THE INSURANCE COMPANY OR IT'S THE CITY, WE PROBABLY MAY NOT, WE MAY NOT BE GOING BACK AND SEEKING RESTITUTION 'CAUSE THEY NOT, MAY NOT HAVE ANY MONEY. SO IT MAY NOT BE WORTH THE WORTH THE TIME. BUT CURRENTLY THIS SETS THE MINIMUM, THE SURETY BOND, WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE TO THAT ALSO ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL LIABILITY, WHICH THEN WOULD PICK UP THE, WOULD PICK UP THE ERRORS AND ADMISSIONS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL CRIME POLICY. BUT BOTH THOSE ARE, ARE MANAGEMENT DECISIONS TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL POLICIES. SO, DO, DO, DO THESE OTHER POLICIES INCLUDE, UM, WILLFUL, SO I KNOW ERRORS AND OMISSIONS. I, I BELIEVE DO NOT, DOES NOT, SO DOES THE OTHER, THE, THE CRIME PO THE CRIME POLICY WILL COVER, UM, WILL COVER, WILL, WILL WE'LL COVER WILLFUL VIOLATIONS LIKE FORGERIES, UM, MONEY ORDERS, COUNTERFEIT MONIES, STOLEN MONEY FUND TRANSFER FRAUDS. SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD COVER THOSE, THOSE WILLFUL. UM, AND JOE, TALK ABOUT THE, TALK ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CRIME POLICY VERSUS THE SURETY BOND. OKAY. SO, SO, OH, MAGNITUDE OF COVERAGE. SO, YEAH. SO THE, SO CRIME POLICY IS, UM, $5 MILLION. SO YOU HAVE A, YOUR CRIMES POLICY COVERAGE, YOU UP TO $5 MILLION. THE SURETY FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY MANAGER IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND. UM, THE ERRORS IN ADMISSIONS IS A, UH, IS A, UH, BASICALLY A 10 MILLION, $10 MILLION FOR EACH WRONGFUL ACT WITH A $10 MILLION, 10 MILLION ANNUAL AGGREGATE. OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE AND, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. SO HEARING THAT CLARIFICATION, DO WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS DOWN THERE? OKAY. YEAH. WE STILL HAVE, I I, MY ONLY QUESTION IS DO WE NEED THE SURETY BOND THEN? ARE WE NOT BETTER? I MEAN, WOULD ONE, I MEAN, DO WE THEN GET INTO THE WHOLE SUBROGATION ISSUE IF WE HAVE A SURETY BOND? AND SO WOULD THE, SO WOULD THE CRIMES POLICY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE A SURETY BOND, SO YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT AND YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA COVER YOU 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THAT SURETY BOND. SO DO WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE SURETY BONDS SO WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF COVERAGE FOR EVERYONE WITHIN THE CITY? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M ASKING? UM, YEAH. IT, IT DOES. AND I THINK HAVING THE SURETY BONDS, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT INSURANCE COVERAGE IS GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS JUST SETS THAT MINIMUM. AND, AND SO I THINK HAVING THAT SURETY IN THERE AT LEAST IS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. AND IT'S THREE, AND IT'S ONLY ON THE CITY MANAGER AT $350 RIGHT NOW. UM, ALTHOUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE CRIMES POLICY WILL COVER MANY OF THE SAME THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT SURETY BOND COVERS. UM, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF THE SURETY, IF UNDER THE CRIMES POLICY, IF THE SURETY BOND HAS TO PAY FIRST OR IF YOU HAVE A SURETY, IT, IT, IT HAS AN EFFECT ON THE, ON THE CRIMES POLICY. CAN WE JUST GET THAT UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING? ALMOST? MAYBE IF WE COULD GET THAT CLARIFICATION. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. I THINK COUNCILMAN, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, THIS, AGAIN, IS KIND OF A HISTORICAL PROVISION THAT YOU FIND IN CITY CHARTERS. AND SO, UH, CHARTERS HAVE NOT KEPT UP NECESSARILY WITH TIME AND DON'T WANNA CHANGE IT BECAUSE, OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE SURETY. WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND IS THAT, THAT, UH, YOU, IF IT'S INSURANCE, THEY WILL PROBABLY BE SUBROGATED, THEY'LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO AFTER THE WRONGDOER OR WHOEVER IT MAY BE BOTH. IT COULD BE CIVIL [02:25:01] AND CRIMINAL. AND THE, AND THE, THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THE COMMISSION WAS ABOUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SURETY, THEY GO AFTER THE WRONGDOER AND HAVING NEITHER POLICY, NEITHER INSURANCE OR SURETY IS NECESSARILY GONNA TOUR A WRONGDOER FROM DOING WRONG. NO, I AGREE THAT, SO COUNCILMAN BARSS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, WHEN WE TOUCHED ON THIS, OH, WAS THAT LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO? WAS THAT LAST WEEK? LAST WEEK? MM-HMM . OKAY. REQUEST WEEKS AGO AT THIS POINT. EXACTLY. IT WAS REQUESTED A COMPARISON AND, UH, OR GRAPHIC SHOWING, BECAUSE I THINK WE STRUGGLED AS A COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE MINOR DIFFERENCES. THOSE OF US THAT DON'T DEAL WITH INSURANCE ON A DAILY BASIS. AND I WILL GLADLY SAY, YOU KNOW, COUNT ME TO THE LIST. NOBODY ELSE WANTS ADD, BUT CAN WE, IF WE'RE TABLING THIS, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD, I AGREE. WE NEED, WE NEED SOMETHING. WE, WE, WE NEED, WE, WE NEED A GRAPHIC, WE NEED A COMPARISON. WE, WE, I THINK WE MADE THAT CLEAR WHEN WE SPOKE ON THIS LAST WEEK, AND I DON'T SEE THAT TODAY. YEAH. AND I, I THINK THE, I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE THE HOLE IS. IS THERE, IS THERE EXPOSURE IF WE DON'T DO THIS OR IF WE DO DO THIS, THAT'S ULTIMATELY I THINK WHAT WE WANT CLARIFICATION ON, IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. WE, MAYOR, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AND MAYBE COUNCIL, KEEP IN MIND THAT MAYBE THIS IS MORE, UH, OF A POLICY OR MANAGEMENT ISSUE ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL WITH THE MANAGER AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE IN OUR CONSTITUTION. SO THINK OF THAT IN THAT TERMS. DO WE REALLY NEED THE, THIS PROVISION IN THERE OR JUST SET THE MINIMUMS IN THERE AND THEN YOU DEAL WITH IT ON THE CITY MANAGER? I, I, ON CASE BY CASE BASIS. HOLD ON ONE SEC. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UH, NO, JUST FOLLOWING UP. I, I WAS THE ONE THAT REQUESTED THE COMPARISON LAST WEEK. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE. WHAT DOES EACH COVER? UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHAT AMOUNTS ARE EACH OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. I, I THINK THAT TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARR'S POINT, MOST ARE NOT INSURANCE PROFESSIONALS UP HERE. WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. SO WE NEED A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF WHAT THESE ARE, SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER MAYBE IT IS AN ANTIQUATED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS POLICY IS IRRELEVANT AND WE DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT. AND SO WE'LL JUST DO THE, THE, UH, POL POLICY, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. COUNCILMAN MURPHY. UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I MEAN, COMPARISON DEFINITELY, UH, WOULD HELP ALSO THE SAME TIME, IT'S NOT JUST THE COMPARISON THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT TRIGGERS WHAT THE MECHANISM OF THAT BOND, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE WOULD NOT BE A ITY BOND AND OTHER BOND. SO THERE IS SOMETHING THAT EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN MECHANISM THAT HOW IT ACTUALLY FUNCTION. SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THEN WHEN YOU SAID THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS THE LIMIT, IS THAT BY DEFAULT, A HUNDRED THOUSAND LIMIT? OR IT COULD BE MILLION DOLLAR PURCHASE SEPARATELY, 350, PROBABLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND. BUT IF YOU SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WANNA GET MILLION, THE PREMIUM WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR THIS IS HOW IT IS? YEAH. I MEAN, IF, IF, IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PURCHASE A SURETY BOND FOR, WITH A GREATER, UM, WITH A GREATER LIMIT THAT, THAT, YES, THAT'S POSSIBLE. SO THERE IS, SO, SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT 350 AND 100,000 MAX, SO, SO ALSO THOSE KIND OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE OPTION THERE? OR THIS IS THE DEAD END BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE INFORMATION WOULD HELP THE COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISION AND PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. SO, SO JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON MY PART. NOBODY'S SUGGESTING THAT FOR 350,000 OR $350, WE SHOULD TAKE THE SURETY BOND OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CHARTER FOR THE CITY MANAGER. I THINK WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN ASKED IS TO CONSIDER DOING THAT FOR 25 TO 30 ADDITIONAL STAFF, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. AND THE CLARITY IS, IN MY OPINION, THE CLARITY IS THAT THE CRIMES POLICY WILL COVER THE SAME, PROVIDES THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS PROVIDES THE SAME COVERAGE, BUT UP TO A MUCH HIGHER LIMIT. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ALL THE INSURANCE DETAILS YOU WANT SIDE BY SIDE, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UH, UNDER THE CRIMES POLICY, OUR, OUR INSURER HAS TOLD US THAT WHETHER IT'S CRIMINAL OR CIVIL, THAT THEY CAN GO AFTER A PERPETRATOR TO A AND RECUPERATE A GREAT, A MUCH GREATER AMOUNT THAN A SURETY MINE COULD. AND SO WE'RE, THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER. WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING TO TAKE THIS, TAKE THIS OUT. I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF WE WANNA JUST SPEND $350 A YEAR AND HAVE THE SURETY BOND, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT. I THINK WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DISTINGUISH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER SECTION, THERE WAS A WHOLE NOTHER, UH, REQUEST TO HAVE, AGAIN, 25 TO 30 ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES HAVE A SURETY BOND. AND ALL WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY ARE COVERED UP TO $5 MILLION TODAY AND CAN BE CRIMINALLY UNCIVILLY, UM, GOING AFTER PERSONALLY. UM, SO I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE ALL THE DETAILS, BUT I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO BE NON-RESPONSIVE, BUT IT'S A PRETTY CLEAR VALUE PROPOSITION, I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT, OR FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS LONG AS YOU CAN SAY WITH VERY HIGH LEVEL OF [02:30:01] CONFIDENCE THAT THE OTHER INSURANCE COVERS AND SUPERSEDES WHATEVER THIS SURETY BOND IS. I, I, FOR ME AT LEAST, THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE. WE DO HAVE A GOAL OF ENDING THIS SECTION IN TWO MINUTES. SO SORRY MAYOR PROAM, GO AHEAD. JUST, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I WANNA GO BACK TO WHAT DON'S SAYING. WHAT WE, WHAT HAS BEEN SAID TO ME BY THE PUBLIC IS IF THE CRIMES, IF IT WILL REIMBURSE THE CITY MM-HMM . AND IF WE HAVE A SURETY BOND, FOR EXAMPLE, ON YOU, AND YOU DO SOMETHING, THEN DOES THAT CRIMES INSURANCE SAY, WELL, SORRY, YOU HAVE A SURETY BOND, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S ALL THAT YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER INSURANCE. I UNDERSTAND. KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU GET HEALTH INSURANCE, RIGHT? YOU GET MULTIPLE LAYERS OF HEALTH INSURANCE, OFTENTIMES THEY'LL SAY, NO, SORRY, YOU HAVE ONE. YOU, YOU NEED TO BE COVERED UNDER THAT POLICY AND YOUR OTHER POLICIES WON'T KICK IN. SO THAT WAS WHAT WE, OR AT LEAST I WAS ASKED BY THE PUBLIC AND THAT, THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I WANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN CORCORAN. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD AND SUGGEST IS THAT OTHER, OTHER SORT OF OVERLAPPING LAYERS OF COVERAGE TO PETE'S POINT, THIS IS ALSO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CITY. MM-HMM . AND IT MAY, IT ALMOST TOO SPECIFIC FOR THE CONSTITUTION, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY DEBATE AT ANOTHER SESSION OVER A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ORDINANCE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, LET'S SEE. I, I THINK THAT TAKES US, UM, JUST QUICKLY, UM, I JUST, WE WILL FINISH ON SEVEN AND EIGHT VERY QUICKLY. UH, SEVEN, UH, 7 0 3 IS JUST TO MODERNIZE THE, THE LANGUAGE. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, VERY MINOR CHANGES. 7 0 5 IS TO REMOVE THE COMPENSATION FOR THE, THE JUDGE, THE ALTERNATE JUDGE, PROSECUTOR, UM, MAYOR COUNSEL. THESE SALARIES ARE SET IN YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET EACH YEAR. SO WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET, JUST LIKE FOR EVERY OTHER CITY EMPLOYEE OR POTENTIALLY EVEN CONTRACTOR, YOU'RE APPROVING THE COMPENSATION. UH, AND THEN FINALLY, A VERY SMALL TWEAK TO 8 0 3, WHICH IS, UH, JUST CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UM, AND MODERNIZING LANGUAGE FROM DEPARTMENT ESTIMATES OR OPERATING BUDGET. SO, UM, MAYOR, UH, PLEASE, THE COUNCIL WILL STOP ON ARTICLE EIGHT AND PICK UP, UH, WITH, UM, THE HOMEWORK ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT. AND, UH, ARTICLE NINE NEXT MONDAY. SOUNDS GOOD. MAYOR PROTO, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR ARE YOU GOOD? OH, I'M SORRY. NO, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. ALRIGHT, [7. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE AND BOARD LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS ] WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. UM, REVIEW AND DISCUSS CITY COUNCIL, COMMITTEE AND BOARD LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS. I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP THIS AS SHORT AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, UH, BUT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT. UH, AND, AND I DO WANT TO AT LEAST GIVE IT JUST A TINY BIT OF TIME. UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD, UH, THIS WAS A, A DUTY I TOOK INCREDIBLY SERIOUSLY. UM, I DID TAKE THE PREFERENCE LIST THAT WAS, UH, GIVEN TO ME BY EACH MEMBER OF THE TEAM. UM, I DID MEASURE INDIVIDUAL STRENGTHS, UH, PASSION, AVAILABILITY, UH, AND, AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, UH, ON EACH OF THE DIFFERENT DECISIONS, UH, THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE. UM, WHAT I WANNA DO, WHICH MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL, BUT I'M JUST GONNA DO IT REAL QUICK. UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST GO PERSON BY PERSON AND TALK ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, ASSIGNED TO THEM. SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. UM, WE HAVE YOU ASSIGNED TO THE PARKS AND RECS COMMISSION. UH, YOU DID A GREAT JOB, UH, IN THE LAST TERM AND THRILLED TO HAVE YOU, UH, BE WILLING TO DO THAT AGAIN FOR US. UM, UH, HAVING YOU HAVE, UH, BE A MEMBER OF THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE AGAIN, SERVED WELL, UH, LAST GO ROUND AND LIKE TO KEEP YOU AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION THERE. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, AND, AND DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, UH, AS CHAIRMAN OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, UH, YOU DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB. I HEARD FROM TOO MANY PEOPLE ALMOST, UH, UH, UH, THAT, THAT YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND YOU HAD GREAT INSIGHT. AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THERE. AND I, UH, AM THRILLED THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE THAT SERVICE. UH, MOVING ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, UM, ONCE AGAIN SERVED ADMIRABLY, UH, ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. AND, UM, IT IS A DETAILED EFFORT AND, AND JUST TO HAVE YOU BE WILLING TO KIND OF DO IT AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. UM, YOU'VE BEEN A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN OUR CITY AND YOU PROBABLY GO TO, UH, MORE, UH, CHAMBER MEETINGS AND RIBBON CUTTINGS THAN I THINK ANYONE, UH, APOLOGIZE IF SOMEONE DOES SUPERSEDE 'EM. UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE THERE FOR THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS, UH, TO BE A PART OF IT. AND, UH, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, SERVING ON THE ARTS COMMISSION FOR EIGHT YEARS, YOURSELF AS A, AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT, UH, AND BEING LIAISON LAST TERM, UH, YOU HAVE JUST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PASSION, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR CAUSE. AND, UM, YOUR CREATIVITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE JUST REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE THERE. SO, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THAT WAY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, SHA, UM, UH, YOU ALSO ARE A BUSINESS OWNER, AND SO HAVING YOU, [02:35:01] UH, BE A PART OF THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE IS JUST A HUGE VALUE TO US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS, UH, TO, TO SERVE IN THAT WAY. UH, YOU'RE ALSO INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE ABOUT EDUCATION AND I'M EXCITED, UH, TO HAVE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHAIR THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE. UH, AND THEN LAST AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, YOUR REGIONAL WORK ON THE DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. UH, YOU'RE ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE THIS YEAR AND YOU CONTINUE TO HELP US, UH, THROUGH YOUR SERVICE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, UH, YOU, UH, HAD IT LAST TIME AND YOU HAD IT NUMBER ONE, THIS TIME YOU WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE LIBRARY BOARD, UH, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO ARM WRESTLE YOU FOR IT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THERE AND YOUR PASSION THERE. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. AND THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, AGAIN, UM, PROBABLY OTHER THAN COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, UM, UH, WHO LOVES IT, EVERYONE ELSE, IT IS A LOT OF WORK BEING ON THERE. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE A PART OF THAT. UM, AND THEN LAST AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE TAUGHT BUSINESS AND, UH, I'M EXCITED TO HAVE YOU, UH, TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY OF CHAIRING THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE THIS GO AROUND. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, SERVICE ON ALL THOSE FRONTS. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE, UM, ON ANY KIND OF SOCIAL MEDIA THAT LOVES ANIMALS MORE THAN YOU DO. UH, SO YOU PREVIOUS SERVICE AND YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE ON THE ANIMAL SERVICE ADVISORY COMMISSION IS REALLY VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. UM, ALSO, UM, I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WERE INCREDIBLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THE CREATION OF THE INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION LAST GO ROUND. UH, YOU ALL VERY KINDLY SAID, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A SIX-WAY TIE ON SERVING, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, COMMISSION. UH, BUT I'M I'M REALLY THRILLED, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UM, UB OUR VERY FIRST LIAISON, UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UM, AND WE'VE SAID IT HERE BEFORE, BUT LEADERSHIP AND REPRESENTATION MATTER. AND, UH, YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB REPRESENTING US, UH, UH, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ON THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. UH, YOU'VE POSITIONED YOURSELF INCREDIBLY WELL, UM, AND, UM, THE, THE LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE, THERE ARE SOMETHING THAT MAKE US ALL PROUD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. AND LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, UH, THE MAYOR PRO TEM, UM, HE'S GONNA HAVE HIS HANDS FULL, TRYING TO HELP FILL ALL THE DIFFERENT HOLES THAT I'M SURE I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FILL ALONG THE WAY. I ALREADY APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO ALL OF THAT. UH, YOU ALSO VERY GRACIOUSLY, UH, WERE WILLING TO STEP ASIDE FROM A COUPLE CHAIRMAN ROLES, ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE, UM, LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, UM, UH, BUT, UH, VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT EDUCATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE, UH, WAS IMPORTANT TO US, UH, IN PARTICULAR AS A, UH, PISD MEMBER. SO, OR PISD RESIDENT, I SHOULD SAY. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR PRO TEM FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, UM, SERVE ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, COMMITTEE. UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, OH, I'M SORRY. I GUESS I SHOULD, UH, MENTION, UH, THAT, UM, UH, AFTER CON CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UH, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HE FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE MAYOR, UH, TO SERVE ON. AND SO, UH, I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE. UM, THE OTHER FOUR ROLES ARE, UH, VERY TYPICAL MAYORAL ASSIGNMENTS, UH, METROPLEX MAYOR'S ASSOCIATION, UH, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS LIAISON, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD, EX OFFICIO AND LEADERSHIP, RICHARDSON, ADVISORY BOARD, EX OFFICIO. SO I WILL BE, UH, TAKING ON THOSE ROLES, UH, IN THE COMING TWO YEARS. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT? ALRIGHT, UH, ARE WE OKAY TAKING A SHORT RECESS? UM, WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL? UH, IS 10 MINUTES OKAY? FIVE MINUTES? 10 MINUTES IS FINE. ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE RECESS AT 8 39, AND WE WILL BE BACK IN 10 MINUTES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNSEL WILL RECONVENE, UM, AT 8 48, AND WE HAVE OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. UM, ITEM [8. CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 25-04, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING TO AMEND PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE NO.4362, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, BY AMENDING SECTION 2. BASE ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW A COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB AS AN ACCESSORY USE, AND BY AMENDING THE CONCEPT PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR A 33.360-ACRE LOT LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SHILOH ROAD AND BRECKINRIDGE BOULEVARD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS] NUMBER EIGHT IS CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH FOUR AND CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING TO AMEND PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 3 6 2 TO ALLOW A COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB AS AN ACCESSORY USE. AND BY AMENDING THE CONCEPT PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS LOCATED [02:40:01] AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SHILOH ROAD AND RECEN RIDGE BOULEVARD. MR. MAGNER, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL SENIOR PLANNER DEREK PETERS IS GOING TO PROVIDE A, A JUST A FEW SLIDES REGARDING, UH, THE PD AND THE PLANNED AMENDMENTS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING YOU SOME RESOURCES IN ADVANCE, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW, HE HAS A PRESENTATION AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO, UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, TO, UM, HOLD, HOLD ANY QUESTIONS EARLY TO OPERATIONS OR THE DRONE ITSELF OR THE LIKEWISE UNTIL THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS A CHANCE TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION. DEREK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU, DON. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF ZONING CASE, UH, ZONING CASE ZF 25 0 4. ALTHOUGH THE COUNCIL HAS NOT RECEIVED A PRESENTATION ON THIS YET, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME PRESENTING THE CASE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS IS A REQUEST AT 30 30 51 RESEARCH DRIVE TO AMEND THE EXISTING PD. THIS SITE WAS REZONED TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR A DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN 2020 THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW FOR A DISTRIBUTION FOR THE AMAZON, UM, FOR AMAZON. AND THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL THE STX EIGHT DISTRIBUTION CENTER. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS DEVELOPED WITH A FLEX INDUSTRIAL SPACE. THERE'S ALSO A VACANT TRACK TO THE NORTH OF THIS PARCEL. TO THE EAST OF THIS PROPERTY IS AN OFFICE, AS WELL AS INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. AND TO THE SOUTH AS AN OFFICE, THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS A INDUS INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY PLACE TYPE. AND AS I MENTIONED IN 2020, THIS SITE WAS REZONED TO A PD TO ALLOW FOR AN AMAZON FULFILLMENT CENTER, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 141,000 SQUARE FEET. HERE ARE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE AS SEEN TODAY FROM BRECKENRIDGE. HERE IS SEEN FROM RESEARCH BOULEVARD TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS THE EAST FACADE, AND THIS IS THE WEST FACADE. SO THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO AMEND THE PD, AMEND THE PD TO INCLUDE A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EXISTING DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN THAT PD. THE AMENDMENT WILL INCLUDE A LANGUAGE THAT WILL DEFINE A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY HUB, DEFINE A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE. IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE TWO CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED. AND THAT IS THE DELIVERY HUB WILL BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET WITH FOUR LAUNCH PADS AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. ALSO, A CONDITION LIMITS THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR DRONE DELIVERIES BETWEEN THE TIMES OF 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNRISE AND 30 MINUTES AFTER SUNSET, WHICH IS KNOWN AS CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS ACCORDING TO THE FAA. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, AND THIS IS THE SITE. THERE ARE NO OTHER SITE MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED WITH THIS PROJECT OTHER THAN THE INSTALLATION OF THE DELIVERY HUB. AMAZON CALLS THEIR DELIVERY HUB A PRIME AIR DELIVERY DISTRIBUTION CENTER KNOWN AS A PADDOCK. SO YOU WILL HEAR THAT TERM IN THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL. YOU SEE THE PADDOCK HERE IN RED TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING. THIS SITE IS 33 ACRES. THE PADDOCK IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED, UH, IN A, IN A LOCATION THAT IS SET BACK 900 FEET FROM BRECKENRIDGE ROAD TO THE NORTH AND 760 FEET FROM SHILOH ROAD TO THE WEST. THIS IS AN AREA OF THE PARKING LOT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN USED. AND, UM, OVERALL, THE PROPERTY IS OVER PARKED. AGAIN. THIS IS A LOCATION FOR THE PROPOSED PADDOCK IN FRONT OF THE AMAZON BUILDING. UM, YOU MAY REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO, UH, AMEND THE COLLINS ARAPAHO INNOVATION DISTRICT TO ALLOW DRONE MAINTENANCE FACILITIES AND THE EMPLOYMENT SUBDISTRICT. WHILE DOING THAT, YOU SET THE STANDARD THAT THOSE DRONE MAINTENANCE FACILITIES MUST BE SET AT LEAST FIVE, UH, MUST BE SET AT LEAST 300 FEET AWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES. SO IN LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, THIS PICTURE GIVES YOU SOME CONTEXT AS TO WHERE THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED IN THE CONTEXT WITH RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. THE SUBJECT SITE IS AT ITS CLOSEST, 888 FEET AWAY FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THE PADDOCK ITSELF IS ABOUT 1200 FEET AWAY FROM THE CLO CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. SO IN SUMMARY, THE PD WILL BE AMENDED TO ADD THE TERMS FOR A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE HUB, A DRONE STAGING AREA, AND A COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE. UH, THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS WOULD LIMIT THE, THE DELIVERY HUB TO THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND FLOOR LAUNCH PADS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN. THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED THREE TO TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS. AT CPC, THEY VOTED TO LIMIT THE [02:45:01] HOURS OF OPERATION FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET. IT WAS AFTER THAT CPC MEETING THAT WE CONSULTED WITH THE APPLICANT, AND THEY SUGGESTED THIS, UH, CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS INSTEAD. THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE FAA ALLOWS FOR THEIR DELIVERIES 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNRISE AND 30 MINUTES AFTER SUNSET. THAT'S HOW IT IS DRAFTED IN YOUR ORDINANCE, IN YOUR PACKET. SO IF YOU INTEND TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL, THAT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED IN YOUR MOTION. ALSO, THE CPC RECOMMENDED A CONDITION TO LIMIT THE POWER SOURCE TO JUST A BATTERY FOR THE DRONE AIRCRAFT. HOWEVER, AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LOCAL JURISDICTION. UH, THE CITY HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF OR THE AIRCRAFT ONCE IT'S IN THE AIR. SO WE REMOVED THAT CONDITION THAT IS NO LONGER INCLUDED. THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC NOTICE WENT OUT. WE RECEIVED SIX WRITTEN COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION BEFORE THE CPC MEETING AT THE CPC MEETING. WE HAD TWO SPEAKERS SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. UM, SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, SOME LETTERS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. ONE OF THOSE IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NORTH DALLAS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THERE'S TWO OTHER LETTERS IN THERE THAT APPEAR TO BE NEUTRAL, AND THEY LIST THEIR CONCERNS. AND THERE'S A LETTER IN THERE THAT IS IN OPPOSITION. SO FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE ZONING FILE 25 0 4 WITH THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED, OR YOU MAY AMEND, UH, THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE REQUEST. UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA GO OVER MORE DETAILS AS TO WHAT'S INSIDE THAT PADDOCK ITSELF AND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AS STAFF COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UH, MAYBE ONLY TWO. THE, SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE, WHEN THE FAA, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, AND THEN AMAZON GOES TO THE FAA AND THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON THE FAA, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT RESTRICTS THE CITY FROM ENCOURAGING THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON FA A'S APPROVAL OR, OR THAT PROCESS? OR IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO CREATE SOME KIND OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW, SOME KIND OF MEDIA ENCOURAGEMENT ON OUR END TO, TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT THERE? I I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE FACT THAT A PUBLIC HEARING IT WAS GONNA TAKE PLACE. OKAY. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT TO OFFER ANYTHING BEYOND THAT OTHER THAN RAISING AWARENESS OF ABOUT THE HEARING AND WHERE IT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE, THE TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE, THAT KIND OF THING. DAWN, THAT'S, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEP. UM, AND THEN A COMMENT THAT I, I'D READ IN, IN OUR PACKET WAS, UH, SOMEONE SAID, I AM SERIOUSLY CONCERNED THAT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, THE FAA SURROUNDING CITIES AND OTHER AUTHORITIES TO WHICH AMAZON WOULD BE, WOULD BE SUBJECT TO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT EXPERIENCE AND OR AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS EFFICIENTLY. SO I GUESS, I MEAN, WE CAN'T CONTROL THE OTHER THREE ENTITIES IN THAT COMMENT, BUT FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, I MEAN, WHAT TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT EXPERIENCE AND OR AUTHORITY WILL TAKE OUT THE AUTHORITY PART? WHAT TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT EXPERIENCE DO WE HAVE AS CITY STAFF TO ENFORCE ANY SORT OF REGULATION ON THE, I GUESS, ON WHAT WE'RE PASSING? SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY ELEMENT THAT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE WOULD BE RELATED TO THE NOISE MM-HMM . AND WE DO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO, TO, TO MEASURE NOISE, UM, AND ENSURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. BUT AGAIN, ONCE, ONCE THE, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, IS ONCE THE AIRCRAFT LEAVES THE GROUND, IT'S NO LONGER IN OUR PURVIEW MM-HMM . UM, AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY OTHER REGULATORY ELEMENTS, UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO REGULATE. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY LACKING ANYTHING. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION AND WE REGULATE THE NOISE WHEN IT'S IN THE AIR AND ON THE GROUND. UM, I JUST, ON THE GROUND, I, I, I THINK YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA QUICKLY, IT'S GONNA QUICKLY REACH AN ELEVATION WHERE THE NOISE IS, IS NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE. MM-HMM. I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE, UM, WE, WE'VE ALL HAD NOISE COMPLAINTS AND, UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN SAY, BEING, YOU KNOW, 50 YARDS OFF ES 75 TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO DISTINGUISH, YOU KNOW, ONE SOUND VERSUS ANOTHER. IN, IN, IN AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOURCES OF NOISE IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT. SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD PREDOMINANTLY BE ON THE GROUND OR JUST ABOVE THE GROUND MM-HMM . BUT ONCE IT HITS A, ONCE IT REACHES A CERTAIN LEVEL. AND DON, I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. I GUESS JUST MY, MY POINT IS THE CITY IS ENFORCING THE NOISE ORDINANCE OR THE NOISE PART OF THIS WHEN IT'S ON THE GROUND OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE GROUND. BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL. YES. THAT'S ALL WE REALLY NEED TECHNOLOGY TO [02:50:01] ENFORCE. RIGHT. ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, IF WE APPROVE THIS. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH. UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN WHAT WAS PASSED WITH THE CPC AND WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR. UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT POTENTIALLY TYING THIS TO THE, UM, OUR, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE YARD CREWS CAN'T START WITH LEAF BLOWERS BEFORE A CERTAIN TIME. UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO LOOK UP EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO TYING IT TO THAT. I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT WILL SAY THAT THIS WILL BE A LOT QUIETER THAN THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR, 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNRISE IS LIKE FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING. SURE. UM, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE REALLY WANT ANY NOISE IN MY NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD AT FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING THAT'S GONNA WAKE ME UP. SO I, THAT, THAT'S FOR THE APPLICANT TO HEAR AND, AND POTENTIALLY ADDRESS. BUT I, IT'S 7:00 AM THE 6:00 PM YEAH. I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK MORE INCLINED IF, IF THIS WERE TO GET APPROVED TO TIE IT TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER, COUNCILMAN TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ENFORCING THAT NOISE ORDINANCE IF THE, THE TIMES ARE THE SAME. UM, OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WHY THIS IS BEING RECOMMENDED AS A PD VERSUS A, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, I'M OPEN TO HEARING WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SAY, BUT I'M A LITTLE SORT OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS AS A WHOLE JUST BECAUSE I AM, IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'RE DOING IT, AND THERE'S NO WAY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IF, IF WE PASS THIS AS A PD, WE DON'T GET TO CALL THIS BACK UP IF IT GOES SIDEWAYS MM-HMM . UM, BUT IF IT WAS AN SUP, POTENTIALLY WE COULD. UM, AND SO CAN WE MAKE IT AN SUP? IF NOT, WHY NOT? WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE A PD? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FOR MY PURPOSES? UM, WOULD YOU WANT US TO EXPLAIN IT? UM, WE OPENED UP THE PD BECAUSE THE PD IS SO SPECIFIC TO THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER, AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE DRONE DELIVERY HUBS IN THE CODE AT ALL. IT'S AN UNLISTED USE. SO WE OPENED UP THE PD AND INCLUDED IT AS A FUNCTION OF THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER AS AN ACCESSORY USE IS WHY WE WENT THIS DIRECTION WITH THE YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S, WHEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER PD, UM, THE STEP TO ADD A SUP OR ADD A, A DRONE DELIVERY SERVICE AS AN SUP IN THAT PD IS, IS AN ADDITIONAL STEP. AND THEN THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD, YOU WOULD'VE TO HAVE A ZONING CHANGE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THEN ANOTHER, A SECOND DECISION TO PROVIDE THE SUP. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE A PD THAT IS ESSENTIALLY ONE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THIS IS JUST A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO AMEND THE PD STANDARDS, UM, THAN IT IS TO CREATE A ALLOWANCE FOR A USE IN THAT PD VIA SPECIAL PERMIT AND THEN HAVE A SECOND CONSIDERATION. UM, I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T DO IT. I'M JUST SAYING FROM A APPLICANT'S STANDPOINT, IT'S A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO, TO HAVE ONE, UH, ONE CASE AND CHANGE THE PD STANDARDS RATHER THAN IT IS TO CREATE A SPECIAL PERMIT ALLOWANCE WITHIN THAT PD AND THEN COME BACK FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT. BUT WE, I, WE CAN DO THOSE AT THE SAME TIME. I MEAN, WE, WE'RE HERE NOW, BUT, UM, FOR FUTURE PURPOSES, COULD WE DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME? COULD WE REQUIRE THAT IN THE FUTURE? WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE SPECIAL, FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR USE. YES. WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WHERE WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND IF ONE GOES, THEN YOU GO TO THE OTHER ONE. COULD WE DO IT THAT WAY? POTENTIALLY. UH, MY, UH, YOU, WE CAN DEBATE THE SORT OF HOW, HOW ZONING WORKS LATER. MY QUESTION REALLY IS QUICKLY REQUIRED TONIGHT THAT THEY COME BACK AND ASK FOR AN SUP ON THIS. IF WE, OR DO WE NEED TO DENY THIS WITHOUT PREJUDICE? MY CONCERN IS LARGELY FOR THE APPLICANT TO HEAR BEFORE THEY COME UP THAT THIS IS ONE AND DONE. WE DON'T GET TO CHANGE OUR MIND IF WE VOTE ON THIS. AND I, I, I THINK THAT AS A CITY THAT IS SORT OF TECHNOLOGY FOCUSED AND FORWARD, THAT THIS IS THE SORT OF STUFF THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR CITY POTENTIALLY. BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO RECALL THIS. LIKE ONCE WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN. UM, AND SO THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY POTENTIALLY TO GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE IN MY HEAD. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY WAY GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, I DON'T SEE ANY WAY OF CHANGING THIS TO A SPECIAL PERMIT OR ISSU OR, NO, I DON'T, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, UH, DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND, UM, AND ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK AND, UH, REQUEST, UM, UPDATING THE PD TO ALLOW FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THIS USE AND THEN, AND THEN HAVING A SEPARATE CONSIDERATION FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT. SO THERE IS A MECHANISM, BUT WE JUST COULDN'T DO ALL THAT TONIGHT. NO. OKAY. UM, UH, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, UM, ABOUT TRACKING COMPLAINTS OR COMPLAINTS ONLY TO THE FAA OR IF, IF, DOES THE CITY COLLECT COMPLAINTS AND THEN SUBMIT THOSE TO THE F-A-F-A-A ON BEHALF OF, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS? DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO DO THAT, OR IS IT SURE. I I, IF THERE WERE AN ISSUE, I DEFINITELY THINK [02:55:01] WE'D RECEIVE COMPLAINTS. UM, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD SUBMIT THEM TO THE FAA ON BEHALF OF THE A OR THE COMPLAINANT. I THINK WE WOULD PROVIDE A, UM, INSTRUCTION TO A RESIDENT OR BUSINESS OWNER ON HOW TO DO THAT THEMSELVES. WE, WE WOULD NOT WANNA, WE WOULD WANT THE FAA TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW UP DIRECTLY WITH THE COMPLAINANT AND IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY ISSUES, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE'D, WE'D WANT TO HONOR ANONYMITY BEING ONE OF THEM IF THAT'S, IF THAT'D BE THEIR DESIRE. SO NO, WE, WE WOULD PROVIDE INSTRUCTION ON HOW A COMPLAINANT COULD FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE FAA, BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT BE THE INTERMEDIARY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MY TWO QUESTIONS WERE THE FIRST TWO COUNCILMAN, UH, JUSTICE ASKED, UM, ABOUT BEING TIED TO A SPECIFIC TIME. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I WANTED THE APPLICANT TO HEAR PRIOR TO THEIR PRESENTATION. UM, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY REQUESTED TO STAFF OR WAS THAT SOMETHING WE SUGGESTED, OR DO THEY COME WITH THE REQUEST AS FAR AS THE TIME? IS THAT, WAS THAT THERE, UM, ORIGINALLY THEY REQUESTED A MUCH WIDER TIMEFRAME. I BELIEVE IT WAS 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND THEN, UM, AFTER THE DISCUSSION WITH CPC, WHO REALLY WANTED TO LIMIT IT EVEN FURTHER, THEY, UH, SAID SUNRISE TO SUNSET. AND THEN THE APPLICANT SUGGESTED WE MAKE THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE FAA ALLOWS AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS. OKAY. UM, THE, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THE ZONING, WHY IT WAS BROUGHT TO US THAT'S BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED. UH, MY APPROACH ON THAT QUESTION WAS, UM, I FEEL LIKE RECENTLY WE LOOKED AT IT, I THINK WE LOOKED AT THAT OTHER ONE IN TWO CASES. WE DID SOMETHING RECENTLY WHERE WE CHANGED THE ZONING AND THEN CAME BACK A FEW WEEKS LATER. YOU AMENDED THE IQ ZONING PD, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS TO ALLOW FOR A DRONE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE CENTER VIA PA SPECIAL PERMIT. AND THAT'S THE STEP THAT WOULD'VE TO BE TAKEN FOR THIS PD THEN TO ALLOW A, A SPECIAL PERMIT TO BE REQUESTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SEL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU WOULDN'T USE THAT FOR SOP VERSUS PD? UH, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, CAN WE LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE DRONE OR THIS IS SOMETHING CONTROLLED BY FAA? NO, WE CANNOT LIMIT THE DRONE, THE FAA PREEMPT US FROM THE SIZE IN THE ANY REGULATION ON THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF. YES. YEAH. I MEAN, TODAY'S LIKE EIGHT FEET, TOMORROW IT MIGHT BE 20 FEET MM-HMM . SO NEXT DAY IT COULD BE 30 FEET, A HUGE DRONE, UH, THIS BECOME EVENTUALLY A AIRPORT. SO, UH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT SUOP IS PROBABLY MUCH BETTER OPTION FOR THIS TO GO WITH IT. THANK YOU. THE ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT IS THAT WE DO, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, WITH THE PD AMENDMENT, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S LIMITING THE SIZE OF THE PADDOCK TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT, IN ESSENCE COULD LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE DRONE WITH THAT. AND SO, AS WELL AS THE FOUR LAUNCH PADS. SO HOW THE PD AMENDMENT IS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED WOULD, IN ESSENCE, COULD LIMIT THE SIZE THAT WAY. AND SO IF THEY WANTED TO GO BIGGER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE PD AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN RADER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, JUST ONE QUESTION, DON, SORT OF TO, UM, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE'S QUESTION, IS THERE ANY ABILITY TO PUT SOMETHING IN THIS THAT REQUIRES A, SINCE IT IS NEW, A ONE TIME REVIEW AT SIX MONTHS A YEAR, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? UM, IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THIS? IF, IF WE WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO ADVANCE IT, UM, OR APPROVE IT, HOWEVER, I SHOULD SAY THAT, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN PUT IN THERE TO KIND OF GET TO HER POINT MM-HMM . OF, OF, OF, SINCE IT IS SO NEW AND, AND HAVE A REVIEW OR SOME KIND OF TRIGGER, WE, WE COULD DEFINITELY HAVE A REVIEW, BUT I, I DO WANT TO, I DO WANNA, UM, JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SET A, SET A A, A UNDERSTANDING. UM, IT WOULDN'T, I MEAN, IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE WHAT YOU FOUND, YOU CAN'T TAKE THE ZONING BACK. YOU CAN'T REVERSE THE ZONING. I MEAN, IT'S EVEN WITHIN, I MEAN, WE, WE, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT CALLING UP AN SUP. THAT'S STILL A, A A, A BIG, UM, THAT'S STILL A BIG EFFORT TO CREATE A CASE WHERE YOU WOULD REVERSE, UH, THE ZONING THAT YOU PROVIDED SOMEBODY. UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN OVERWHELMING REASON TO DO THAT. AND THEN, UM, BUT, BUT, UH, MAYOR PROAM, YOU COULD DEFINITELY, AND I, I I SUSPECT THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE A SIX MONTH CHECK-IN WHERE THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT, UM, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, UM, PROVIDE A REPORT ON THE COMPLAINTS RECEIVED, UM, WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINTS, HOW THEY WERE RESOLVED, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO GIVE THE COUNSEL A, A GOOD CHECK-IN AND A STATUS REPORT ON HOW IT'S GOING. BUT, BUT I DO WANNA SAY, I, I DO WANNA SET, YOU KNOW, EXPECTATIONS. IT WOULDN'T [03:00:01] BE, UM, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE LEGALLY PRUDENT TO, TO TRY TO REVERSE THAT ZONING THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED BASED ON THAT, THAT COMPLAINT. IT WOULD JUST BE MORE OF A, IT WOULD BE MORE OF A, UH, A, A REPORT THAN ANYTHING. OKAY. UH, I'VE JUST GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION. UM, WE, I HEARD EARLIER THAT THE, UH, BATTERY WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T DO BECAUSE OF THE, UH, FFAA REGULATION, UH, AS IT RELATES TO CIVIL TWILIGHT. SINCE THAT IS THE FAA STANDARD, COULD THEY ALSO TRUMP US THERE AND HAVE THAT BECOME SORT OF THE RULE NO MATTER WHAT WE DID IN TERMS OF THE OPERATING TIMES OR, OR NOT? IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING. WE CAN REGULATE TAKEOFF AND LANDING TIMES. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER EMEL. UH, ONE LAST QUESTION. UH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONCE YOU APPROVE SOMETHING, BUSINESS INVEST, AND THEN EVEN IF IT WAS LEGALLY ALLOWED, IT'S NOT REALLY GOOD IDEA TO SHOW THAT, THAT WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT. UH, BUT IF FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY REASON I WAS THINKING ABOUT, SO P IS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE ARE PROMISING, WE CAN ALLOW THAT MUCH, BUT IF THINGS GET CHANGE OR SOME CONDITION CHANGE, UH, THAT'S CAUSING MAJOR PROBLEM, THEN COUNCILOR WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND LIMIT IT TO THE CONDITION THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM INITIALLY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITION AND WHAT THINGS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK ANDREW MADE A VERY GOOD POINT. I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT IS TRUE. UM, IF THEY, IF THEY NEEDED TO OPERATE BEYOND THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE, UH, OF THE PADDOCK, THEN YOU, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND, AND, AND REQUEST APPROVAL. SO I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN STAY WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UM, THEY, THE TECHNOLOGY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHANGE AND WE, NEC WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON THAT. BUT TO YOUR EXAMPLE, IF THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY, THAT SAME FOOTPRINT PROBABLY WON'T SERVE THEIR PURPOSES AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK, UM, TO YOU AND, AND, AND REQUEST A, A CHANGE. I MEAN, LOTS OF RANDOM THINGS MOVING FORWARD, UH MM-HMM . BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, UH, HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES STILL, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE LEAD WITH THE TECHNOLOGY. SO THAT'S THE THING THAT, UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL. LOOKS LIKE FAA CONTROLS, UH, MAYBE STATE WILL COME FORWARD, DO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE ALL KIND OF CONTROL, UH, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN CONTROL THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT LANDS, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN CONTROL. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, ANYWAY, I'LL BE JUST, UM, WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE, FROM THEM. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MS. PETERS, JUST CLARIFICATION. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE COULD, UM, YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS WE CAN LIMIT HOURS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WAS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS CLEARED THROUGH LEGAL AND PETE, OR WAS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM AND, UM, LOVE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS, UH, AS WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, MAYOR, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST. OH, SORRY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. COULD YOU EVENING MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF? UH, MY NAME IS SAM BAILEY. I'M THE SENIOR MANAGER FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOP POLICY AT AMAZON. HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT PRIME AND OUR PROPOSED OPERATION AT OUR STX EIGHT SITE. UM, I'LL GO THROUGH A PRESENTATION TO COVER MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE JUST RECENTLY BROUGHT UP AND THEN PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I KNOW WE ALSO PROVIDE A SUPPLEMENTAL TO STAFF JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR SITE, STX EIGHT, WHICH IS LOCATED ON RESEARCH DRIVE HERE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS. THIS IS A SUB SAME DAY FULFILLMENT CENTER. IT CARRIES JUST OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND ITEMS, UH, AVAILABLE FOR SAME DAY DELIVERY, DELIVERY TO RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE EMPLOY OVER 400, UH, ASSOCIATES AT THE SITE. UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WE SELECTED THIS SITE. IT IS A HIGH PERFORMING FULFILLMENT CENTER NETWORK, UH, FULFILLMENT CENTER IN OUR NETWORK. WE BELIEVE IT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE A GREAT CUSTOMER REACH FROM THIS SITE. UM, WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE A PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT INTO THIS SITE THAT WOULD OPERATE FROM THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. NOT JUST FLY INTO IT, BUT FROM THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, TO SERVE CUSTOMERS. AND LEMME JUST GO BACK, UH, AS OF THIS YEAR JUST FOR COMPARISON AS WELL. UM, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS ALSO BEEN APPROVED IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, AND KANSAS CITY, KANSAS, THROUGH EITHER A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, OR FILE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AMAZON PRIME. WE'RE ONE OF FIVE PART, [03:05:01] UH, 1 35 AIR CARRIERS, UH, WITH, UH, AIR CARRIER CERTIFICATES, UH, DELIVERING, UH, DRONES, UH, DELIVERING CUSTOMER DELIVERIES BY DRONES IN THE UNITED STATES, UH, THAT THE FAA RECOGNIZES, WE TAKE A SAFETY FIRST APPROACH WITH OUR DRONES TO DELIVER TO OUR CUSTOMERS IN 60 MINUTES OR LESS, USING A FLEET OF MARK 30, UH, DRONES MANUFACTURED AND DESIGNED BY AMAZON, THE STATE OF WASHINGTON. OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS ARE IN COLLEGE, CHASE, TEXAS AND TOON ARIZONA WITHIN TOLLSON, ARIZONA AS AN IDENTICAL SITE TO OUR SDX EIGHT SITE HERE IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. ALSO GET TO OUR, OUR SOUND STUDY THAT WE, UH, COMPLETED AT THAT SITE. WE ALSO OPERATE A TEST SITE IN PENDLETON, OREGON. THAT'S WHERE WE WORK WITH THE FAA TO TEST OUR DRONES IN A VARIETY OF SCENARIOS AND SITUATIONS TO PUSH THEM TO THEIR ABSOLUTE LIMITS TO LEARN AND CONTINUE TO INNOVATE AROUND OUR SAFETY TECHNOLOGY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DRONE. UH, THE MARK 30, WHICH YOU SEE HERE, UH, WAS UM, CERTIFIED FOR OPERATIONS IN OCTOBER OF 2024 AND STARTED COMMENCING DELIVERIES A MONTH LATER. THIS IS A FOLLOW ON TO OUR MARK 27 DRONE, WHICH WE INTRODUCED TO OUR COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS SITE. UM, THIS REFLECTS OUR LATEST AND GRACE IN INNOVATION, ALSO REDUCING THE NOISE PROFILE SUBSTANTIALLY BY ABOUT 40%, UM, UH, QUIETER AND EXPANDING THE RANGE. SO WE TOOK THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE GOT AS WE CONTINUE TO INNOVATE TO BRING FORTH A NEW DRONE. THE MARK 30, UM, THAT POSSESSES TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS IT TO BOTH BE A QUIET OPERATION, A VERY SAFE OPERATION. IT'S A FULLY AUTONOMOUS SYSTEM. THE DRONE MONITORS WOULD BE STATIONED LOCALLY AT STX EIGHT TO MONITOR THE FLIGHT, UH, AND INTERVENE IF NECESSARY. IT POSSESSES FORWARD FACING, DETECT AND VOID TECHNOLOGY. SO BEING ABLE TO SENSE AN OBSTRUCTION, WHETHER THAT BE A TEMPORARY CRANE OR AN AIRCRAFT, IT CAN THEN COMMENCE ON ITS OWN, UH, UH, UM, DETECT AND AVOID A CONTINGENCY WHERE IT CAN MOVE OUTTA THE WAY. AND ALSO, UH, RETURN TO STATION. IT HAS THE ABILITY TO OPERATE IN WIND AND LIGHT RAIN. AND AS IT CONDUCTS A DELIVERY, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU, IT HAS THE ABILITY TO DETECT AT THE DELIVERY AREA, WHETHER THERE MAY BE A CHILD RUNNING AROUND A DOG OR SOME OTHER OBSTACLE. MAKE SURE THAT DELIVERY ISN'T COMMENCED, RETURN TO STATION AND NOTIFY THE CUSTOMER. I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER DRONE OPERATORS OPERATING THE REGION, ALBEIT THEY'RE NOT OPERATING FROM THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT HOW ALL THE DRONE OPERATORS WORK TOGETHER, UM, THROUGH THE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT OR UTM. SO PRIMARY IS A CONTRACTED SUPPLIER THAT HAS AN APPROVAL FROM THE FAA TO PROVIDE UTM SERVICES HERE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS. UM, THEIR SYSTEM ENABLES OTHER DRONE OPERATORS AS WELL AS PRIME TO SHARE OUR FLIGHT PATHS AND OUR TIMING SO THAT WE CAN EXECUTE OPERATIONS SAFELY. UM, WHILE NOT CREATING ANY SAFETY CONCERNED IN OUR OPERATIONS, THINK OF IT AS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, BUT FOR DRONES AT THAT ELEVATION, THAT ALLOWS US TO SEAMLESSLY OPERATE WITH OTHER OPERATORS WHO ARE CURRENTLY HERE IN THE DALLAS REGION. SHARE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT IF WE ARE DELIVERING TO CUSTOMERS IN THE SAME REGION, WE ARE SAFELY MAKING APPROACHES, UM, OR TIMING THOSE APPROACHES OUT DIFFERENTLY. IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT HOW THESE DRONES WORK TOGETHER, AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT WHAT GOES ON PRIOR TO A LAUNCH AND HOW THESE DRONES MAY INTERFACE WITH OTHER COMPANIES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU, AS WELL AS OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE RICHARDSON AREA. UM, PRIOR TO LAUNCH LAUNCH, WE EVALUATE MONTHS OF DATA, UH, FROM THE AUTOMATIC DEPENDENT SURVEILLANCE BROADCAST. THIS IS THE RADAR PING FROM THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, FREQUENT FLIGHT PATTERNS, HIGH TRAFFIC AIR SPOTS, UH, THAT MAY OCCUR, UM, TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE MAY HAVE, AREAS WHERE WE, UH, HAVE, UM, A NEED TO PROVIDE A NO FLY ZONE, UM, OR OTHER CONTINGENCY. WE THEN ENACT THOSE NO FLY ZONES PROCEDURALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING INTO A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. UH, WE OPERATE UNDER 400 FEET, WHICH FURTHER DE CONFLICTS, UM, WITH GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT AND OTHER AIRCRAFT. WE GENERALLY OPERATE BETWEEN 200 AND 400 FEET FOR OUTBOUND AND INBOUND DELIVERY PRIOR TO TAKEOFF AT EACH FLIGHT. OUR SYSTEM MONITORS THE AIRSPACE. WE LOOK FOR ANY TRAFFIC THAT MAY OCCUR BETWEEN THE POINT OF THE TAKEOFF AT STX EIGHT AND THE INTENDED CUSTOMER. AND THEN WE RELY ON THE DRONES TO DETECT AND AVOID TECHNOLOGY TO SENSE ANY FURTHER OBSTACLE THAT MAY OCCUR AT ANY POINT IN TIME. THE MONITOR BASED LOCALLY AT THE SITE, IF THERE IS SOME CONFLICT, CAN RETURN THE DRONE DIRECTLY BACK TO THE SITE. THE DELIVERY SPECS OF THE DRONE, UM, IT IS ABOUT, UH, IT'S, UH, FOUR FEET, 11 INCHES BY FIVE FEET, SIX INCHES. IT WEIGHS 83 POUNDS. IT CAN CARRY A, A PACKAGE OF UP TO FIVE POUNDS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A SHOEBOX, AND CAN TRAVEL TO, UH, SEVEN AND A HALF MILE, UH, RADIUS FROM STX EIGHT. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT RADIUS THOUGH, UM, AS WE WORK WITH THE FAA, THAT WILL NOT BE A PERFECT CIRCLE OF ALL ELIGIBLE ADDRESSES WITHIN THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS. THAT WILL BE NARROWED DOWN TO ELIGIBLE ADDRESSES, ELIGIBLE, ELIGIBLE CUSTOMER ADDRESSES, WHERE WE CAN SAFELY DELIVER, AND THOSE THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO DELIVER TO MAY RECEIVE THEIR PACKAGE IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY CURRENTLY DO WITH ALL THOSE INNOVATIONS. THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH NO COMMERCIAL INCIDENTS. [03:10:01] AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE TO COMPLIMENT THAT. SO JUST AS A CUSTOMER WOULD GO ON TODAY, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH THEIR PHONE OR THROUGH THE APP, THEY GO THROUGH FULLY INTEGRATED CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE@AMAZON.COM OR THROUGH THE APP FOR DELIVERY 60 MINUTES OR LESS. YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, UM, UH, SCENARIO HERE, THEY CAN GET THEIR ITEM BETWEEN 5:00 PM AND 10:00 PM OR IT CAN BE DELIVERED BY DRONE IN AN HOUR. UM, THE PRICE MODELING, UH, IS NOT FINALIZED FOR A REGION LIKE THIS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD IDENTIFY BASED ON DEMAND. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE HERE, UM, FOR, UH, FULFILLMENT AT STX EIGHT WHERE WE CURRENTLY FULFILL OUR ORDERS, UM, UH, SOMEONE WOULD CLICK ON ADD TO CART BY NOW. UM, THEY WOULD SEE OUR DRONE DELIVERY, FAQS, PRIVACY DELIVERY AREA, CONFIRMATION CONSENT INFORMATION, WHICH I'LL GO THROUGH. THEY WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ORDER PROCESS WHERE ONE OF OUR ASSOCIATES WOULD TAKE THAT ORDER OUT TO THE PADDOCK OR THE PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY CENTER. THAT PADDOCK IS LOADED INTO, UM, THE DRONE, ALONG WITH A FULLY CHARGED BATTERY WITH REDUNDANCIES BUILT IN, AND THEN THE CUSTOMER ORDER IS READY TO DEPART. WE WOULD CONDUCT THAT SEARCH OF THE AIRSPACE BEFORE WE THEN, UM, TRANSITION FOR, FROM VERTICAL TAKEOFF TO HORIZONTAL FLIGHT TRANSIT TO THE CUSTOMER'S ADDRESS IN THEIR SPECIFIED DELIVERY AREA, SCAN FOR HUMANS, PETS, AND OTHER OBSTACLES BEFORE THEN CONDUCTING THE DELIVERY. THE DRONE NEVER LANDS AT, DESCENDS AT 12 FEET AND DROPS THE PACKAGE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT ALONG WITH A PRIVACY THAT'S LISTED HERE, UM, WE'RE FOCUSED ON DELIVERING PACKAGES. I THINK ONE OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS IS DRONES EQUAL SURVEILLANCE. UM, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 4 23, SPECIFICALLY 4 23 0.003, MAKES IT ILLEGAL TO USE A DRONE TO CAPTURE AN IMAGE OF AN INDIVIDUAL OR PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY WITH THE INTENT OR CONDUCT OR INTENT TO CONDUCT SURVEILLANCE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING OUR COMPANY PARTICIPATES IN, BUT WE WANNA SPECIFY THE ONBOARD CAMERAS OF THE MARK 30 DRONE ARE STRICTLY FOR NAVIGATION AND IDENTIFYING THEN OBSTACLES, UM, WHERE THE PACKAGE DELIVERY IS OCCURRING. IT DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO STARE INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE, UM, OR CONDUCT ANY SURVEILLANCE WHATSOEVER. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE EXPERIENCE A CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY DELIVERY POINTS AT ELIGIBLE ADDRESSES. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO OUR PRIVACY, FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND DETAILS ABOUT CLEARING THE AREA FOR DRONE DELIVERY. THIS IS THE MARK 30 DRONE IN TULSA, ARIZONA. AT THE POINT DELIVERY, IT'S DESCENDING TO 12 FEET. IT THEN SAFELY DROPS THE PACKAGE THE SIZE OF A SHOEBOX INTO A CIRCLE THAT'S ABOUT SIX FEET, UH, AND RADIUS THAT, UH, BOX IS PACKED SPECIFICALLY SO THAT THE ITEM IN THERE IS NOT DAMAGED. THE CUSTOMER'S OPTING INTO THIS, UM, AND SELECTING THE ITEMS THAT CAN BE DELIVERED. UM, IF THE CUSTOMER OR A CUSTOMER OR AN INDIVIDUAL DECIDES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT DRONE DELIVERY IN MY HOUSE, THEY CAN OPT OUT OF IT. SO THEY DO NOT RECEIVE DRONE DELIVERY. THEY CAN EVEN GO AS FAR AS TO BLUR THEIR HOME FROM ANY OF OF THE MAPPING THAT OCCURS. UH, MUCH LIKE YOU CAN DO ON, ON OTHER, UM, EITHER DELIVERY SERVICES OR MAPPING SYSTEMS, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE. AGAIN, THAT'S THE GENERAL SIZE OF THE DELIVERY, UH, BOX ABOUT THE SIZE OF SHOEBOX. THIS IS THE EXPERIENCE OVERALL. IF YOU IMAGINE THIS BEING STX EIGHT, WE WOULD, UM, ELEVATE BETWEEN 200 400 FEET GO OUTBOUND FOR DELIVERY, APPROACH THE RESIDENCE AT A DEFINED POINT SELECTED BY THE CUSTOMER, DROP TO 12 FEET, AND THEN FLY BACK AND RETURN TO STATION IS ONE ORDER AND ONE BATTERY PER FLIGHT. WHEN THAT DRONE RETURNS, UH, WE THEN PROVIDE A NEW ORDER INTO IT AS ALONG WITH A FRESH BATTERY, UM, SO THAT IT'S GOING OUT WITH A FULLY CHARGED SYSTEM. BASED ON THE, UH, PROJECT WE PROPOSED AT STX EIGHT, WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING 10 TO 15 NEW JOBS THAT WOULD, UH, BE FOCUSED ON DRONE MONITORING OPERATIONS, ALONG WITH 10 TO 15 MARK 30 DRONES THAT WOULD, THAT DESIGN AND THE SIZE OF THE PADDOCK ALLOW WOULD ALLOW US TO POTENTIALLY HAVE UP TO, UH, 300 FLIGHTS PER DAY, UH, BASED ON ORGANIC CUSTOMER DEMAND. UM, WE HAD OUR MEETING WITH STAFF, MEETINGS WITH STAFF. UM, WE ALSO MET WITH, UH, HOAS IN THE COMMUNITY, CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE. UM, SOUND WAS A BIG, UH, QUESTION FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE WENT AND CONDUCTED A SOUND STUDY AT OUR TOLLESON, ARIZONA SITE. AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER SUB SAME DAY FULFILLMENT CENTER IN OUR NETWORK. WE TOOK MEASUREMENTS, UH, AND COMPARED IT TO THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF AUDIOLOGISTS. UM, A LEVEL OF NOISES HERE, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS IF YOU ARE STANDING AT THE PADDOCK, SO IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY CENTER ON OUR PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, UH, AT THE DEPARTURE WE'RE AT 65 DECIBELS. SO MODERATE DISHWASHER, NORMAL CONVERSATION. UH, AND THEN AT, AT ARRIVAL, YOU'RE JUST BELOW THE LOUD FACTOR, STILL BETWEEN 1670 DECIBELS, TRAFFIC AND VACUUMS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN THE CENTER OF OUR SITE. WE THEN SAID, IF YOU'RE STANDING 500 FEET FROM THE PADDOCK, UM, HERE'S YOUR DECIBEL LEVEL AT DEPARTURE AND AT ARRIVAL, WE ALSO THEN RENTED AN AIRBNB, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE PHOTOS OF THAT. AND WE CONDUCTED A SOUND STUDY IF YOU [03:15:01] WERE STANDING IN THE BACKYARD DURING A DELIVERY, WHICH IS A BRIEF EXPOSURE OF THE DRONE DROPPING, DROPPING THE PACKAGE, AND THEN QUICKLY ASCENDING TO RETURN TO STATION. AND THEN IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND A DELIVERY WAS BEING COMPLETED IN THE BACKYARD OF SOMEONE'S RESIDENCE. UM, THE CREEK COLLEGE STATE'S, HOA ALSO TOOK THIS INFORMATION POSTED ON THEIR WEBSITE AS THEY WERE EDUCATING NEIGHBORS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. UH, AFTER THE SOUND STUDY, WE HAD PROVIDED THEM THAT INFORMATION IN THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS THE SOUND STUDY WE CONDUCTED IN ARIZONA. THERE'S OUR PADDOCK, 200 FEET, 500 FEET. WE ALSO TOOK READINGS BEYOND THAT, I BELIEVE IT'S 600, 800 AND A THOUSAND FEET. AS YOU GET FURTHER BACK, BEYOND 500 FEET AMBIENT NOISE AND OTHER SURROUNDING NOISES AND THE COMMUNITY STARTS TO PARCEL IN. SO IT'S HARD TO SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE, THE DRONES OPERATIONS. SIMILAR WITH THE RESIDENCE. UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A PRETTY TIGHT, UM, KIND OF GATE TO GATE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA. WE TOOK A READING IN THE BACKYARD AS WELL AS IN FRONT OF THE HOME TO GET TO THE DECIBEL LEVELS. YOU SEE HERE, 68.4 AND 60.6. AND THIS REALLY CAME OUT OF THE RESPONSE WE HEARD FROM, UH, HOMEOWNERS ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER DRONES AND WHY, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC PROFILE OF OUR DRONE. UM, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATED THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE TESTED IN THE COMPARABLE SITE. UM, SAME TYPE OF SITE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AS WELL AS ACTUALLY, UH, SECURING AN AIRBNB TO THEN FURTHER CONDUCT WAS THE SOUND LIKE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS THE PADDOCK OR THE PRIMARY DRONE DELIVERY CENTER. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO INSTALL IS MORE PERMANENT. IT'S NOT A TEMPORARY PICKUP. AND GO TYPE, UH, DRONE DELIVERY CENTER. UH, HERE'S A FENCED IN AREA, LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS BLUE, UH, A MODULAR UNIT IS A BAT CACHE OR BATTERY CHARGING STORAGE CENTER. YOU HAVE A LAUNCH PADS AND DIVERT PADS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, A CANOPY, UH, FROM TO PROTECT ASSOCIATES FROM OUTDOOR, OUTDOOR EXPOSURE. AND THEN A MODULAR SUPPORT TRAILER WHERE A DRONE, UH, ONSITE FLIGHT MONITORING CAN OCCUR. SO THIS IS A SELF-CONTAINED, UM, LOCATION THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE PROPERTY OF STX EIGHT. AGAIN, SHOWING YOU WHERE, UH, THIS IS LOCATED JUST TO ORIENT YOU. UM, AGAIN, YOU HEARD FROM DE REGARDING THE PROXIMITY TO THE SITE, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE HERE CREATING ADDITIONAL NOISE. THIS IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THE APPROXIMATE AREA OF WHERE THE PADDOCK WOULD BE LOCATED WERE EVEN FURTHER AWAY. THIS WAS FORMALLY GOING TO BE A DELIVERY STATION, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN A VAN INTENSIVE SITE. AND SO AS SUCH, IT IS, UH, OVER PARKED, I THINK ALMOST 10 X MAYBE NOT QUITE. UM, SO WE'RE ABLE TO LOCATE IT VERY CLOSE TO THE FULFILLMENT CENTER, PUTTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, AND CREATING A BUFFER, UH, BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST, AS WELL AS TO OUR COMMERCIAL PARTNERS, UM, TO THE NORTH. IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, WE'VE HAD VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON MEETINGS WITH A CREEK COLLEGE STATES KNOWLES OF BRECKENRIDGE, HOA BOARD NEIGHBORS. WE'VE SENT OUT COMMUNICATIONS. WE'VE ENGAGED THE REGIONAL CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE ON MAY 8TH FROM THREE TO SEVEN. WE HOSTED, UH, A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENT HERE IN RICHARDSON. WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN OUR MARK 30 DRONE, A STATIC DRONE. WE CAN'T PROVIDE A, UH, A TEST FLIGHT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FAA APPROVAL TO FLY HERE YET. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN A DRONE WITHIN A MATTER OF HOURS PER AMAZON, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS CAME AROUND CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. I WAS JOINED BY MEMBERS OF OUR REGULATORY TEAM AND OPERATIONS TEAM. UM, AND SO WE HAD, UH, GREAT TURNOUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, ASKING QUESTIONS, LEARNING ABOUT THE OPERATIONS, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO SEE THE DRONE ITSELF. UM, THIS IS IT SHOWING UP IN A BOX, AS AMAZON ALWAYS DOES, WE TRY AND DELIVER AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, BUT THIS IS THE MARK 30 DRONE. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS ON DISPLAY SO RESIDENTS COULD SEE IT. UH, THE MAIN QUESTIONS IN, UH, THEMES THAT CAME UP WERE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, LEARNING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DRONE, UM, NOISE, WHICH I THINK I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT NOISE STUDY WE DID, UM, TO MAYOR PRO TEM. UM, HOW WE HANDLE NO FLY ZONES, UH, LIKE OVER METHODS. RICHARDSON MEDICAL CENTER, WHERE WE INSTITUTE A HALF A KILOMETER, NO FLY ZONE OFF THAT HELIPORT, AND THEN WORK WITH THOSE OPERATORS JUST TO UNDERSTAND FLIGHT FREQUENCY, INBOUND OUTBOUND APPROACHES THEY MAY TAKE. UM, PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON'S APPROVAL PROCESS. WE MENTIONED THAT WE HAD GONE, WE WERE GOING THROUGH CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WE HAD NEIGHBORS TURN UP TO, UM, AND THEN CONDUCTING, UM, OUTREACH, AND THEN WOULD EVENTUALLY BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW OF OUR PROPOSED PROJECT AND THEN THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION APPROVAL PROCESS. WHAT DO WE THEN DO ME, UH, MARRYING BOTH THE LOCAL LAND USE CONVERSATION AS WELL, WELL AS THE AIRSPACE APPROVAL AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE. UH, SO A COUPLE THINGS, AND I KNOW DEREK CAN POINTED THIS OUT. DRONES WANNA SEE BATTERY POWERED. OURS ARE BATTERY POWERED. UM, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR US. UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, OUR MK 30 IS APPROVED BY THE FAA FOR CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS, 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNRISE AND 30 MINUTES AFTER SUNSET. UM, I WOULD HAZARD TO GUESS, DRONE OPERATORS NOT FLYING OUT OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE FLYING UNDER THOSE SAME, UM, UH, HOURS. BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE HOURS IDEALLY, THAT WE COULD, ARE BEST SUITED TO SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS. UM, THOSE WHO MAY BE ABLE TO [03:20:01] LEAVE THEIR HOME, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE THEIR HOME WHO NEED ITEMS ORDERED IN, IN A QUICK MANNER. UM, THAT IS THE, UH, THE TIMELINE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING THAT WE WOULD BELIEVE WOULD MARRY WITH THE FAS CURRENT GUIDELINES AROUND CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS. UH, IF APPROVED HERE, UM, THE WORK IS NOT DONE FOR EITHER THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, OR THE AIRSPACE OUTREACH, AND AS WELL AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UM, AIRSPACE OPERATION APPROVALS WOULD BE REQUIRED. UM, AND THIS HAS BEEN NOTED IN THAT SUPPLEMENTAL THAT WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED. WE WOULD THEN PURSUE ENGAGEMENT, FURTHER ENGAGEMENT WITH THE FAA TO IDENTIFY OUR AIRSPACE WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN AIRSPACE, WHERE WE HAVE CONFLICTS WHERE WE CANNOT OPERATE. SO NOT ALL CUSTOMERS WITHIN THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR DRONE DELIVERY. WE ALSO, BASED ON THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT OF THE SERVICE TERRITORY WE ARE PROPOSING TO OPERATE. THIS IS TO ENSURE THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACT TO RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. UM, THE CITY CAN WEIGH IN RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK TO THE FAA AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. THIS WILL REQUIRE FURTHER COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON, UM, WHAT WE ARE DOING, SEEK FEEDBACK FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, THAT HAS TO BE MARRIED. UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED A COPY OF THAT, UH, THAT WE, UM, RECEIVE FOR ARIZONA. UM, BUT WE WOULD THEN RECEIVE WHAT'S CALLED THE FINDING OF NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, SAYING THAT OUR DRONES DO NOT POSE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT. UM, THAT GOES WITH OUR CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORIZATION. THAT ULTIMATELY ALLOWS US TO THEN ACCESS THE AIRSPACE THAT ALL GETS MARRIED WITH THE LOCAL LAND USE. WE APPROVAL THAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THE CITY OF RICHARDSON TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE FROM THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TAKE OUR DRONES OFF, DELIVER TO CUSTOMERS, RETURN BACK TO THIS SITE. AND AGAIN, JUST REITERATING THE, THE FAA APPROVAL PROCESS, UM, WOULD FOLLOW ON AFTER THIS, THIS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT WE EXPECT WOULD GO THROUGH THE SUMMER. WE WOULD SEEK COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS WE'VE OFFERED, UH, AND WE'LL BE DOING A PRESS JOINT PRESS RELEASE TO, UM, NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT WILL BE AND HOW THEY CAN THEN, UH, PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE FAA. UM, WE HAVE OVER 400 JOBS IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT INVESTMENT AT THIS HIGH PERFORMING SITE, UH, AND BE A PARTNER WITH YOU, NOT JUST GET AN APPROVAL AND WALK AWAY. THAT'S NOT HOW WE OPERATE. I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES, INCLUDING OUR HEAD OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. UH, WE WANNA MAKE THIS WORK. WE WANNA MAKE IT WORK IN RICHARDSON, BE ABLE TO FLY OUT OF RICHARDSON AND SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AND OUR CUSTOMERS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE AREA. UH, AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I AM A, UH, BIG FAN OF AMAZON. I THINK Y'ALL DELIVERED MY HOUSE PROBABLY AT LEAST SIX TIMES A WEEK. I JUST GOT A NOTIFICATION THAT MY NEW, UH, GUITAR STAND HAS ARRIVED THIS EVENING, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, TO SEEING THAT AT HOME THIS EVENING. UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE, YOU HAD A SLIDE. PLEASE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOW HOW THE PATTERN IN WHICH THEY FLY, HOW THEY TAKE OFF, AND THE ARROW TRAVEL. OKAY, SO THERE'S A DIAGONAL HERE. WHAT IS THE LIKE DISTANCE APPROACH? I KNOW LIKE, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU LIVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO USED TO LIVE NEXT TO AN AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, A PLANE MAY START LOWERING AT, I DON'T KNOW, 30 MILES OR WHATEVER THE DISTANCE IS. I, I'M NOT A PILOT, BUT, UH, WHAT, HOW FAR DO YOU START THAT KIND OF DESCENT? BECAUSE I, I'LL, I'LL BE HONEST TILL I SAW THIS, I THOUGHT IT WAS A DIRECT CROSS, MORE OF A 90 DEGREE ANGLE AND GO STRAIGHT DOWN TYPE APPROACH. SO BASED ON SURROUND USES, WE'LL DEFINE OUR, UH, ELEVATIONS OF OPERATION WITH THE FAA. OUR GOAL IS TO ELEVATE THE DRONE TO 200 FEET AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT ONE, WE CAN THEN TRANSITION FROM HORIZONTAL, OR SORRY, VERTICAL TO HORIZONTAL FLIGHT AND NAVIGATE OUTBOUND SO THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING A DIAGONAL, IT'S LIKE A 45 DEGREE ANGLE APPROACH. IT JUST GETS US AWAY FROM POTENTIAL CONFLICTS LOCALLY, UM, THAT MAY BE NEARBY THE SITE. SO AGAIN, SO IT'S NOT FIXED, LIKE THE ACTUAL PROPELLERS ARE NOT FIXED. THEY ROTATE. SO YOU GO, OR THE, THE, THE PROPELLERS DO, I MEAN THERE'S SPINNING AN ANGLE THAT DIFFERENTLY. SO THEY CAN ARTICULATE THE, UH, DRONE TO TRANSITION FROM THAT VERTICAL TO THEN HORIZONTAL. THEN THEY'LL FLY BETWEEN 58 AND 60 KNOTS TO THE CUSTOMER'S HOUSE AS THEY APPROACH THEN TAKE THAT DESCENT. BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET THEM TO THAT 200 TO 400 FOOT WINDOW BECAUSE THAT'S THE AREA WHERE WE, UH, REMOVE CONFLICTS IN THE AIRSPACE, INCLUDING WHEN WE SEND A DRONE OUT, IT WILL GO OUT AT A DIFFERENT ELEVATION THAN THE DRONES COMING BACK IN. SO AGAIN, WE'RE CREATING THE HIGHWAYS IN A SENSE WHERE WE ARE MANAGING, UM, OUR DRONES AWAY FROM CONFLICTS SUCH AS BUILDINGS, CRANES, OTHER AIRCRAFT AND APPROACHES. OKAY. THE MK COUNCIL MEMBER, SORRY. NO, THAT'S ALRIGHT. UH, COUNCIL, THE, THOSE ARE MK THIRTIES, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? YES. OKAY. SO YOU, YOU REFERRED A LOT TO THESE, ARE THESE IN THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY FLYING IN? YOU MENTIONED KANSAS CITY. I FORGET WHAT THE OTHER, I KNOW [03:25:01] SAN ANTONIO WAS APPROVED TODAY. MY UNDERSTANDING AND COLLEGE STATION WAS KIND OF BRIEFED OVER, BUT YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER, I'LL GIVE YOU THE, THE LAY OF OUR CURRENT SITES. UM, SO IN COLLEGE STATION IN TEXAS, THE MARK 30 DRONE IS CURRENTLY FLYING. PRIOR TO THE MARK 30, THE MARK 27 WAS FLYING THAT DRONE. WE RECEIVED COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. WE MADE OUR ENHANCEMENTS TO REDUCE THE NOISE PROFILE AND INTRODUCE THE MARK 30. SO NEW DRONES BROUGHT TO COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS. THAT SAME DRONE IS ALSO OPERATING IN TOLLESON, ARIZONA. THAT IS THE DRONE WE ARE CURRENTLY USING IN OUR SYSTEM. WE'VE BEEN APPROVED IN A SIMILAR SETTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR OPERATIONS AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE FAA IN KANSAS CITY, KANSAS, KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, AND THEN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. OKAY. WE HAVE YET TO CONSTRUCT OUR PADDOCK. WE'RE JUST MOVING THROUGH BUILDING, PERMITTING, UM, PROCESS NOW. OKAY. UM, REGARDING BATTERY STORAGE, YOU SHOWED A DIAGRAM WHERE YOU HAD A BLUE KIND OF SIDE BUILDING FOR BATTERY STORAGE. UM, I KNOW IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS WHEN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TALKS TO US, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS, AND ONE OF THE BIGGER CAUSES OF FIRES, WE LOOK AT RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES, WHETHER POWER TOOLS OR ELECTRIC CARS OR SOMETHING. THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT THOSE OUT. SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE THOSE REGULATED TO BE CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM PROPERTY LINE? ARE THOSE, I'M ASSUMING KIND OF LIKE WHEN I GO TO THE GAS STATION TO GET MY LITTLE PROPANE TANK, IT'S IN A HEAVY DUTY BOX. ALL THAT'S REGULATED AND IT'S SIGNED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IS IT SIMILAR? IS THAT REGULATED? WHO'S THAT REGULATED BY? CAN YOU SPEAK TOWARDS THAT AND ANY REGULATIONS FROM PROPERTY LINES? SURE. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY ALREADY JUST TO WALK THROUGH THIS PROPOSED OPERATION. THE CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A BATTERY SYSTEMS PERMIT. SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER WITH THEM THE TYPES OF BATTERIES, HOW MANY ARE STORED THERE, UM, AND MORE INFORMATION ON THE BATTERY SYSTEMS THEMSELVES, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BAD CACHE. SO YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO IDENTIFY, TRACK THE SUPPLY, WHAT'S BEING CHARGED THERE, UM, AND THE VOLUME OF BATTERIES THAT ARE THERE. IN ADDITION, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DESIGN HERE, UM, THEY ALSO ARE PROVIDING FEEDBACK AND HOW THEY PREFER TO APPROACH THE SITE. UH, BEING ABLE TO POTENTIALLY IN THE EVENT OF AN UNFORESEEN EMERGENCY, UM, TO CUT IN FOUR WAYS TO THE, THE BACK CACHE ITSELF. AND SO THEY PROVIDED THAT FEEDBACK AND ALSO ARTICULATED WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE OF US AS, UH, AS WE STORE AND CHARGE THOSE BATTERIES. SO YES, THERE, THERE ARE LOCAL, UH, PARAMETERS BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS TO HOW WE WOULD OPERATE THAT SITE. OKAY. UM, AS FAR AS DO WE HAVE ANY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. UH, WHAT ABOUT THE PIECE ABOUT DISTANCE FROM PROPERTY LINES? 'CAUSE I'LL BE HONEST, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OKAY, HOW FAR IS THAT TO THE NEIGHBOR OF PROPERTY AND AS FAR AS THAT BATTERY STORAGE? UH, SO WHAT WE'RE WHERE IN THAT? SO THIS, UH, YELLOW CIRCLE YES. PARKING LOT. OH, SORRY. THIS YELLOW RECTANGLE I SEE, UH, IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PADDOCK. UM, SO THE CLOSEST PARCEL WOULD BE OUR STX EIGHT FULFILLMENT CENTER. UM, IT IS WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT, SO SUBSTANTIAL DISTANCE FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OF THE SITE. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. NOW, UM, THIS LAST QUESTION, AND I THINK YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY, AND I, THIS PARTIALLY GOES OUT TO SOME, I KNOW I HAVE A COUPLE COLLEAGUES THAT WENT TO A AND M. SO COLLEGE STATION IS DUE TO THEIR HEART YEP. IN THAT ENTIRE AREA. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE HALT ON WHY GROUND OPPER OR THE OPERATIONS HALTED AT COLLEGE STATION Y YES. COUNCIL MEMBER, LET ME SPEAK TO COLLEGE STATION FIRST AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT THE VOLUNTARY PAUSE AMAZON PUT AT THE SITE. UM, SO PRIMARY, UH, A NEW BUSINESS FOR AMAZON. WHEN WE WERE FIRST LOOKING TO CITE OUR OPERATIONS, WE IDENTIFIED COLLEGE STATION AS A, WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE, UM, A SOLUTION FOR US TO TEST DELIVERING TO RESIDENCES IN UNDER 60 MINUTES AS A PILOT SITE. AND SO IN DOING SO, AND I BELIEVE WE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION IN OUR SUPPLEMENTAL, WE SELECTED A SITE THAT WAS VERY CLOSE TO RESIDENCES. UM, WITH THAT IN OUR MARK 27 DRONE, WE STARTED CONDUCTING THOSE DELIVERIES. WE HAD DEMAND, BUT WE WERE ALSO RECEIVING COMPLAINTS BECAUSE WE WERE MUCH CLOSER TO THE CUSTOMER WITHIN, I THINK, UM, THE NUMBER THAT I PROVIDED, WE WERE ABOUT 545 FEET APPROXIMATELY FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENCE. SO WE WERE VERY CLOSE IN, UM, WHICH MEANT WE WERE GETTING TO THE CUSTOMER FAST, BUT WE WERE CREATING SOME CHALLENGES THERE. AS SUCH, WITH THIS PROPOSED PROJECT, WE ARE PIVOTING AWAY FROM THAT APPROACH AND LOOKING TO INTEGRATE TO OUR EXISTING FULFILLMENT CENTERS THAT ARE USUALLY LOCATED MORE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS AS A BETTER PLACE TO, ONE, HAVE A FURTHER SETBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL, UM, USES, UM, BUT ALSO INTEGRATE WITH WITHIN A MORE, UM, ACCOMMODATING OR ACCESSORY USE OF OUR EXISTING ZONING THAT'S THERE. UM, THE PAUSE IN OPERATIONS WAS NOT RELATED TO COMMUNITY FEEDBACK OR THE FAA, [03:30:01] WE PAUSED THE OPERATIONS OF OUR MARK 30 DRONE VOLUNTARILY TO CONDUCT A SOFTWARE UPGRADE. PART OF THAT SOFTWARE UPGRADE IS THE FORWARD FACING SENSOR OF THE DRONE IS DETECTING PARTICLES IN THE AIR. IT'S DETECTING RAIN. WHEN YOU START OPERATING IN A PLACE LIKE ARIZONA, DUST, SAND, OTHER PARTICLES COME INTO THE AIR, AND THE DRONE COULD PERCEIVE THAT AS BEING RAIN WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY SAND. AND SO WE CONDUCTED A VOLUNTARY PAUSE, WE DID A SOFTWARE UPGRADE, WE NOTIFIED THE FAA, THEY REVIEWED THAT UPGRADE AND DEEMED THAT WE WERE, UH, GOOD TO GO BACK INTO FLIGHT OPERATIONS. SO, UM, THAT WAS NOT A PAUSE ENFORCED BY COMPLAINTS OR BY THE FAA, THAT WAS US SAYING, WE'VE COME INTO A GEOGRAPHICAL, UH, CONDITION. WE NEED TO INVEST AND UPDATE THAT. WE THEN NEED TO COMMUNICATE THAT AT THE FAA BEFORE WE WANNA PUT OUR DRONES BACK IN THE AIR. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS THE COMPANY COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY TO. UM, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, UH, GUESSES AS TO WHY THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED. BUT JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR, UM, THAT WAS A VOLUNTARY PAUSE THAT WE PUT ON OURSELVES TO CONDUCT A SAFETY UPGRADE TO OUR SYSTEM. OKAY. AND I'M ASSUMING LIKE ANY LARGE COMPANY, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING, YOU KNOW, UPGRADES TO SOFTWARE. AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL HARDWARE, I MEAN, DRONES, I'M GUESSING IT'S JUST LIKE, I'M PROBABLY GUESSING THAT EVERY NEW MONTH THERE'S SOMETHING NEW OUT ON THE MARKET AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA TAKE THROUGH THE PROCESS? A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS. WE GETTING APPROVED THROUGH THE FAA. UM, HOW MANY, I GUESS THIS IS THE NEWEST AND GREATEST. I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEVERAL OTHER, I GUESS, UH, GENERATIONS LINED UP GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF EITHER DEVELOPMENT OR TESTING. CAN YOU SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, THAT AT ALL AND WHAT MIGHT BE COMING IN THE FUTURE? SURE. SO, UM, THE MARK 27 WAS, UH, CONDUCTING OPERATIONS STARTING IN 2022, AND DID THAT THROUGH 2024. UM, BUT WE HAD TO ITERATE TO EXPAND THE RANGE, TO ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND REDUNDANCY, TO ALSO QUIET THE SOUND. AND SO OUT CAME THE MARK 30, WHICH WE HAVE IN CURRENT OPERATIONS THAT, UH, WENT INTO SERVICE IN NOVEMBER, 2024. SO IT IS STILL A NEW VEHICLE. AND WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS THE SIZE AND SCALE DOES ALLOW US TO DELIVER TO THAT TIGHTER RESIDENCE I SHOWED YOU IN TULSA, ARIZONA, TO DO IT IN A MORE QUIET WAY, TO DO IT AT A GREATER DISTANCE, AND TO HAVE SAFETY AND REDUNDANCY BAKED IN, WHICH IS PART OF ITS SIZE. IT'S 83 POUNDS. IT'S ABOUT, AS I MENTIONED, ABOUT FIVE FEET BY FIVE FEET. UM, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO LEVERAGE THAT TECHNOLOGY. AND WHERE WE DO SEE THE NEED TO UPGRADE, BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH, UM, THROUGH SOFTWARE. IT IS VERY COSTLY, UH, AND TIME INTENSIVE TO GO REGISTER A NEW AIRCRAFT. UH, AND THAT REQUIRES A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT. AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT OUR DRONE POSSESSES THAT REDUNDANCY, THAT SAFETY AND THE ABILITY TO DELIVER FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. AND SO THE GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO INNOVATE UPON THE MARK 30. UM, IF FOR ANY REASON WE WERE TO IDENTIFY, WE NEEDED TO INTRODUCE A NEW VEHICLE, THAT DOES REQUIRE AN ENGAGE WITH THE FA. ALSO, JUST BEING A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN, WE'VE MADE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE HAVE 400 JOBS HERE. UM, OUR PLAN IS NOT TO SURPRISE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON OR ANY PLACE WHERE WE OPERATE, UM, AND SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, THERE'S, THERE'S A NEW DRONE FLYING AND YOU, THIS IS THE, YOU'RE THE FIRST TIME AS YOU'RE SEEING FLY OVER. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESS THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT. BUT WE BELIEVE OUR MARK 30 DRONE CURRENTLY CAN DELIVER FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, UM, TO CUSTOMERS IN PLACES WHERE IT'S ELIGIBLE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER SAMSO. THANK YOU MR. ROMERO. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS. LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ALL THE ANSWER. ONLY IF WE COULD DOWNLOAD IT QUICK. , UM, I HAVE FEW QUESTIONS, SMALL QUESTIONS. UH, AND, UH, I'LL START WITH THE SIMPLE THINGS THAT ONCE YOU START THIS, OR IF YOU START THIS PROCESS HERE, DELIVERY FROM DRONE, WOULD THIS REDUCE TRAFFIC ON GROUND OR THIS IS GONNA BE JUST, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER? UM, IF WE WERE TO INTRODUCE DRONE OPERATIONS OUT OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, UM, I THINK THE GOAL IS ULTIMATELY TO REDUCE, UM, THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE ON THE ROAD. UM, THIS PROGRAM STILL BEING, UH, ONLY ALIVE AT TWO SITES, UH, WHERE WE'RE CONDUCTING DELIVERIES. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO GIVE YOU A, A FORMULA X INTEGRATION OF DRONES EQUALS THIS REDUCTION. UM, BUT THIS ALLOWS US TO DELIVER THAT QUICK ITEM, UM, THROUGH MEANS THAT DON'T, UH, HAVE US OPERATE ON THE ROADS. BUT OUR GOAL IS THAT AS WE SCALE, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER DATA SET TO SHARE AS TO WHAT THE REDUCTION WOULD BE, UM, ON ROADS. SO I SEE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, CAPACITY OR YOU'RE LOOKING AT 300 FLIGHT PER DAY, POTENTIALLY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POTENTIALLY, UH, AS WE GET STARTED, THERE WOULD BE 10 TO 15 DRONES BASED AT THIS SITE. UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT UPON INITIAL LAUNCH WE WOULD BE, UH, BETWEEN A HUNDRED, 200 FLIGHTS PER DAY. THIS IS ALL BASED ON ORGANIC CUSTOMER DEMAND. IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE PADDOCK BEING 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS, THE AMOUNT OF DIVERT OR, UH, LAUNCH PADS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IT'S FEASIBLE TO SEE THAT IF WE WERE TO SCALE IN THE COMING YEARS, WE COULD BE AT THAT NUMBER. UM, BUT THE SITES ALSO BASED ON ITS SIZE, NOT SET UP, UM, FOR CAPACITY TO GROW SIGNIFICANTLY BEYOND THAT. [03:35:01] ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL COMMUNICATE TO THE FAA IS A VERY LARGE, UM, UH, LARGER DELIVERY NUMBER. THAT'S A CAPACITY WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER HIT, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE FA A, WE WANNA ACCOUNT FOR THE MOST ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, THE GREATEST ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT SCENARIO, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR A THOROUGH DUE DILIGENCE DONE ON THE IMPACT. IF WE PROJECTED ONLY 150 FLIGHTS AND WIND TO 200, THAT'S NOT REALLY A FAIR ASSESSMENT. SO WE'VE REALLY OVERSHOT WHAT WE SAY IN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT JUST TO, AGAIN, ALLOW THE FA A TO CONDUCT A REALLY THOROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT EVERY THREE MINUTE ONE FLIGHT, OR MAYBE FIVE TO EVERY FIVE MINUTE ONE FLIGHT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, DEPENDS WHAT FAI THINK THE FAA WOULD PROBABLY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD CONTROL THIS NUMBER EVENTUALLY. SO THE, THE FAA WILL GRANT US COUNCIL MEMBER, THE FA WILL GRANT US THAT AIRSPACE APPROVAL. FROM THERE, WE'LL THEN HAVE AIRSPACE WHERE WE CAN AND CANNOT OPERATE. SO AGAIN, THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RADIUS WILL MOST LIKELY SHRINK. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER DRONE OPERATORS HERE, SO THERE'S TRAFFIC. SO THE FEASIBILITY OF DELIVERY AT THAT RATIO, I CAN'T COMMENT ON 'CAUSE OKAY. THE AIRSPACE HAS BEEN APPROVED POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH OTHER DRONE OPERATORS. UH, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER DURING CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS, UM, WHEN PEOPLE PLACE THAT ORDER, UH, IN A TIMELY MANNER, RETURN TO STATION, BE ABLE TO COMMENCE DELIVERIES AGAIN. UH, NOW FAA, THE PROCEDURE STUDY PROCEDURE, HOW THAT WORKS. I MEAN, DOES THE CITY NEED TO FIRST APPROVE THIS AND THEN THIS GOES, OR YOU COULD START THAT PROCESS BEFORE EVEN CITY LOOKED AT IT AND THE TIMELINE FOR THAT PROCESS? SO THE, THE APPLICANT IS AMAZON, UM, OR PRIME, UM, FOR, UM, THIS PROCESS. SO IT REQUIRES US TO PURSUE BOTH THE LOCAL APPROVALS AS TO WHERE WE WILL BE, UH, DEPARTING FROM AND RETURNING TO, UM, AS WELL AS FEDERAL APPROVAL THROUGH THE FAA. UM, WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE FLIGHT STANDARDS DISTRICT OFFICES, OFTEN KNOWN AS FIDOS, THE REGIONAL OFFICES, THE FAA TO INTRODUCE REVIEW AND FINALIZE WHAT OUR PROPOSED AIRSPACE OPERATIONS LOOK LIKE, IDENTIFY WHAT THE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS ARE, UM, AND THEN WORK TO SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATE INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WHILE THAT PROCESS IS DRIVEN THROUGH THE FAA, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR FEEDBACK DIRECTLY FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. UM, THERE'S ALSO STATE LAW GOVERNING WHERE WE CAN AND CAN'T FLY, LIKE OVER POWER PRODUCTION FACILITIES. UM, WE TAKE IN, UH, FEEDBACK FROM US FISH AND WILDLIFE AS PART OF THE FA, A PROCESS TO AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY HARM TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. UM, SO THAT APPROVAL OF BOTH THE AIRSPACE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT WE EXPECT WOULD OCCUR THROUGH THE SUMMER. I DON'T WANT TO GUARANTEE A TIMELINE BECAUSE THAT'S CONTINGENT UPON ONE BEING APPROVED HERE, BUT ALSO THE FAS TIMELINE OF BEING ABLE TO CONDUCT THOSE OPERATIONS, SEEK PUBLIC COMMENT, GO THROUGH REVIEWS WITH AMAZON BEFORE ULTIMATELY GRANTING US A CERTIFICATE AUTHORIZATION TO THEN FLY. SO THE THING IS, LIKE, SO IT DEPENDS IF YOU CAN'T START THAT PROCESS UNTIL YOU GET APPROVAL FROM HERE, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? WE STARTED INITIAL CONVERSATIONS TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF OUR INTENTIONS TO OPERATE IN THIS AREA. ALSO TO IDENTIFY THERE ARE OTHER DRONE OPERATORS IN THIS AREA. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE IDENTIFY, UM, ANY LESSONS LEARNED, ANY CONFLICTS WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF IN THE SERVICE TERRITORY THAT WE'VE, UH, PROJECTED. UH, BUT WE'VE STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS FOR THE SITES JUST TO GET THAT EARLY FEEDBACK FROM THE FA BEFORE PROCEEDING COUNCIL. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. NOW YOU HAVE ONE POINT THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH FROM THE BOTTOM, THIS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS, THIS HAS AN OPTION THAT NO NEGATIVE IMPACT TO COMMUNITY. CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN THAT? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF NEGATIVE IMPACT? SURE. SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT REQUIRES WHEN WE ARE ACCESSING FEDERAL AIRSPACE TO PURSUE THIS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT WAS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY WITHIN A FOREST, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE DISTURBING WITH OUR DRONE FLIGHTS, THAT WOULD BE THEN CALLED OUT, UH, AND ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS ASSESSMENT. UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IMPACTS TO WATERWAYS, UM, GRASSLANDS, UM, ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME UP THAT WOULD CAUSE A CHALLENGE TO THE ENVIRONMENT IF WE WERE TO START CONDUCTING OPERATIONS OUT OF THIS SITE. UM, ALSO RESIDENCES, OR SORRY, RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES CAN ALSO SUBMIT FEEDBACK TO THE FA IF THEY BELIEVE THAT OUR OPERATIONS WOULD GENERATE ANY CONCERN. UM, THEY CAN OFFER OPPOSITION, THEY CAN OFFER SUPPORT. UM, SO IT ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO BOTH ASSESS THE IMPACT. IT ALLOWS THE FA TO ASSESS BOTH THE IMPACT OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS TO, TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, AND HAVE THAT DOCUMENTED FOR THE FAA FOR THEN AMAZON TO HAVE TO RESPOND TO. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING I COULDN'T FIND THAT ONE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MIGRATION PATH, SOME OF THE BUTTERFLY, MONARCH BUTTERFLY OR SOME OTHER BIRD. I DON'T, I I, I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THIS ROUTE. I MEAN, THAT KIND OF THINGS. YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT DURING THIS STUDY COUNCIL MEMBER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD COME UP. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW WE SHARED IN OUR FOLLOW UP, IT'S ABOUT A 390 PAGE DOCUMENT, BUT IT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL [03:40:01] IMPACT ASSESSMENT THAT THE FAA CONDUCTED IN TOLLESON, ARIZONA. BEFORE WE WERE GRANTED APPROVAL, AND BASED ON THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT ASSESSMENT, THEY DID GRANT US A FINDING OF NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, WHICH ALLOWED US TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH OUR OPERATIONS. BUT THAT'S A SAMPLE, AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN, UM, BY VARIOUS SECTIONS AS TO H JUST THE DEPTH AND DETAIL THAT, UH, THE FA GOES INTO FOR THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT. NOW, HOW ABOUT THE ACCIDENT INSURANCE? IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, UH, THEN WHO, IF SOMEHOW IS THE PROPERTY GET DAMAGED BECAUSE IT JUST UNFORTUNATELY JUST HAPPENED? SO HOW THAT THING WOULD WORK. SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, IN THE EVENT OF AN UNFORESEEN, UM, INCIDENT WHERE WE DID HAVE TO CONDUCT, FOR EXAMPLE, A SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING, PUT THE DRONE ON THE GROUND AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT OCCURRED ON SOMEONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THERE WAS DAMAGE, WE WOULD MAKE CONTACT WITH THAT, UH, RESIDENT AND WORK TO RECTIFY THAT. WE DO CARRY INSURANCE FOR THESE OPERATIONS. SO AMAZON WORKED DIRECTLY WITH THE RESIDENT, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, NOTIFY LOCAL AUTHORITIES AS WELL AS THE FA BASED ON THE, UM, THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED, UH, AND WORK WITH OUR, OUR COMPANY TO MAKE IT. RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. NOW, HERE ARE THE THINGS, YOU HAVE LIKE 7.5 MILES RADIUS. THAT'S THE CURRENT CAPACITY, RIGHT. TECHNOLOGICAL CAPACITY THAT YOU HAVE. CORRECT. UH, IN THE FUTURE IT COULD INCREASE, UH, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING COULD CHANGE, RIGHT? UH, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S THE MAX THAT YOU HAVE. AND, BUT IF LOOKS LIKE THE RESIDE RESIDENTIAL AREA BEGINS ABOUT 1200 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY. SO IF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, REQUEST DELIVERY, WHAT'S YOUR MINIMUM DISTANCE THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT, UH, THAT DELIVERY TO BE MADE THROUGH THE AIR? UH, IF, IF YOU ARE LIKE WITHIN A MILE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT IF IT IS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME, LIKE, BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE THE FLIGHT ON AND IF IT IS NEARBY, YOU'RE GONNA BE FLYING LOW BEFORE YOU DELIVER. SO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. MINIMUM DISTANCE. SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS THAT FOCUSES JUST ON OUR SERVICE TERRITORY. IF WE WERE TO EXPAND OUR TECHNOLOGY AND WIDEN THAT AREA, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE EXPANDED OUR RANGE TO 12 OR 15, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A NEW ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT BECAUSE WE ONLY ACCOUNTED FOR THAT SEVEN AND A HALF MILE RANGE. SO JUST KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER FEDERAL REGULATORY PROCESS WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH. UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, DRONE FLYING, UH, DELIVERY FROM A, TO A SHORT, LET'S CALL IT A SHORTER DELIVERY, JUST WITHIN A MILE, UM, I'VE FLOWN FLIGHTS BETWEEN COLORADO SPRINGS AND DENVER, COLORADO. YOU STILL GET A LOT OF ELEVATION EVEN. NO, YOU'RE NOT FLYING THAT FAR. AND I ALWAYS ASK THE SAME QUESTION, WHY ARE WE FLYING SO HIGH? UH, WE DO IT FOR SAFETY. IT IS TO, AGAIN, DECONFLICT THE DRONE AWAY FROM ANY OTHER OBSTACLE. SO YES, IT MAY COST, UM, US MORE TO PUT IT UP HIGHER AND CONSUME MORE OF THE BATTERY, BUT IT'S THE SAFER ROUTE VERSUS A LOW FLYING FOR A SHORT FLIGHT. SO MUCH LIKE A SHORT FLIGHT FROM, UM, CITIES CLOSE BY, WE'RE STILL GONNA GAIN ELEVATION BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO OPERATE SAFELY. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. AND LAST QUESTION FOR ME THAT THIS, UH, THE, THE NEWEST VERSION THAT YOU HAD, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE, THAT THE NOISE LEVEL IS 60 PLUS MINUS DISPEL THAT YOU HAVE, UH, WHAT WAS THE OLDER ONE? MARK, UH, MARK MK 27 THAT YOU HAD? DO YOU REMEMBER? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THIS SPECIFIC STUDY, WE HAVE IT FOR THE MARK 30, UH, BECAUSE THE MARK 27 IS NO LONGER IN SERVICE. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS READILY AVAILABLE, BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP TO IF, TO PROVIDE THE MOST APT COMPARISON. AGAIN, THIS WAS CONDUCTED SOLELY AT THE MK 30, I THINK APRIL 9TH AND 10TH OF THIS YEAR IN TOLLESON, ARIZONA. SO UNDER VERY, UM, SPECIFIC CONDITIONS WHERE THE MARK 27 WAS ONLY IN OPERATION AT COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS, WHICH IS A, A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN WHERE WE TESTED HERE IN ARIZONA. RIGHT. WELL, THE REASON I ASK YOU, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT NOISE LEVEL HAS DROPPED MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, AND RESIDENTS WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THE NOISE BEFORE. BUT WITH THIS, I WAS, I WAS JUST TRYING TO COMPARE TO SEE THAT HOW MUCH THAT, UM, WOULD MAKE DIFFERENCE IN PRACTICALLY. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S GOOD. UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION ANYMORE RIGHT NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. CAN YOU, DO YOU KNOW, UH, AND IF YOU, IF YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THESE ALREADY, I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY, I, COLLEGE STATION ARIZONA, HOW MANY DRONES WERE Y'ALL OPERATING OUTTA THOSE FACILITIES? UM, I, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I BELIEVE WITHIN COLLEGE STATION, WE HAD, UM, UPWARDS OF 20, UM, AT THAT SITE. OH, DRONES. UH, LESS THAN, YEAH, LESS THAN 20. SO AGAIN, THAT 10 TO 15. OKAY. UM, NUMBER. [03:45:01] AND THEN WITHIN TOLLESON, ARIZONA, I BELIEVE WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT THE SAME. OKAY. SORRY, I WAS CONFIRMING WITH MY COLLEAGUE WHO, WHO OPENED THOSE SITES. YEAH, OF COURSE. NO, THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, AND SO, UH, WITH 10 TO 15 LOCALLY BASED OPERATORS, I MEAN, IS THERE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DRONES THAT AN OPERATOR CAN OPERATE AT ANY GIVEN TIME? OR WHAT IS, HOW DOES THAT, THAT NUMBER WORK? SO, SO THE 10 TO 15 DRONES AND 10 TO 15 OPERATORS WOULD BE AT OUR INITIAL LAUNCH, UH, BASED ON ORGANIC DEMAND. WE WOULD SCALE SO THAT WE COULD ACT, UH, SAFELY AND ACCURATELY MANAGE BOTH OUTBOUND FLIGHTS, UH, BEING MONITORED BASED ON THE, THE NUMBER DEMAND. SO AGAIN, WE'RE PROVIDING THE CONSERVATIVE NUMBER BECAUSE THIS IS STILL REQUIRES CUSTOMER DEMAND FOR US TO SCALE BEYOND THAT 10 TO 15 DRONES, 10 TO 15 DRONE MONITORS. UM, AGAIN, WE WILL BE CONSTRAINED BY THE SITE, UH, BEING 10,000 SQUARE FEET. SO, UH, IN TERMS OF ADDING, UM, MORE STAFF IN A LARGER FLEET, THERE'LL BE SOME CONSTRAINTS TO THAT WHERE WE MAY MAX OUT, UM, BASED ON OUR ABILITY TO FLY AND MONITOR FROM THAT SITE. SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING CONSERVATIVELY, IT'S A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO, OR I'M SORRY, POTEN, POTENTIALLY AT THAT TIME? UM, WE'RE, WE HAVE NOT FI AGAIN, FINALIZED OUR RATIOS BECAUSE OUR CUSTOMER DEMAND HAS NOT BEEN, UH, VERIFIED AT THIS SITE YET. OKAY. BUT THERE'S NO REGULATION OR ANYTHING ON THE NUMBER OF, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD OPERATE TWO OR THREE SIMULTANEOUSLY, BUT PRESUMABLY IT'S THE, THE GOAL, THE GOAL IS THAT, UM, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING, UM, THAT TYPE OF SLIT RATIO. THE GOAL IS THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO APTLY MONITOR AND INTERVENE IF NECESSARY. MM-HMM . PART OF THE AUTONOMOUS NATURE OF THE DRONES ALLOWS US TO MONITOR THE FLIGHT, BUT ALSO THE DRONE ITSELF POSSESSES CAPABILITY. SO A DRONE MONITOR, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A CONFLICT, THE DRONE CAN ALSO DIVERT ITSELF. MM-HMM . IF IT RECOGNIZES A CONFLICT, AND, UH, THE, AND THE DRONE MONITOR CAN ALSO CALL IT BACK TO STATION IF THEY SENSE ANY AIRSPACE CONFLICTS AS WELL. OKAY. BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD SCALE BASED ON THE DEMAND, THE ORGANIC DEMAND OF CUSTOMERS, THAT WOULD BE REFLECTED IN BOTH OUR STAFF AS WELL AS THE DRONE NUMBER AT THE SITE. OKAY. UM, LET ME SEE. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL HAD MADE AT, AT SOME POINT THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS Y'ALL WENT THROUGH WAS SOME FORM OF A BACKUP BATTERY SYSTEM OR LIKE AN EMERGENCY PARACHUTE OR SOMETHING ON, ON THE DRONES. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S ON THE CURRENT DRONE THAT MAYBE EITHER COMPENSATES FOR THAT OR SORT OF FUTURE TECHNOLOGY THAT, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW FOR THAT IN, IN A LATER MODEL? SURE. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. SO, UM, THIS FIRST THING TO POINT OUT IS THE SIZE OF THE DRONE IS INDICATIVE OF THE REDUNDANCY IN THE TECHNOLOGY. THE REASON IS MM-HMM . IS THE SIZE THAT IT IS, IT IS JUST FOR THAT SPECIFIC MANNER. SO, UH, WE USE ONE BATTERY PER FLIGHT. IT CONTAINS THREE STRINGS, WHICH ALLOW US THAT REDUNDANCY AND CONNECTIVITY THAT ALLOWS US TO PREPARE FOR THE ABSOLUTE WORST SITUATIONS. IN THE EVENT, THERE IS A CHALLENGE TO THE BATTERY'S OPERABILITY, WE HAVE CONTINUITY TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT DRONE ON THE GROUND AND CONDUCT WHAT'S CALLED THE SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING. SO FOR ANY REASON THERE'S A DISRUPTION TO POWER SUPPLY, WE STILL HAVE THE REDUNDANCY BASED ON THE MULTIPLE STRINGS OF POWERING THE SYSTEM TO TAKE THE DRONE AND PUT IT SAFELY ON THE GROUND AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. IF FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, ITEM THAT, UH, DISRUPTED OR INJURED A PROPELLER ON THE DRONE, WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING, CONDUCT A SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING. THE GOAL IS ALWAYS IN THE EVENT, UM, THAT WE, UH, FEEL WE NEED TO, WE WILL PUT THE DRONE ON THE GROUND, UM, OR IF WE, WE CAN ALSO RETURN THE DRONE TO STATION. IT GOES FOR SAYING AS WELL, OUR BATTERIES ARE OFTEN COMING BACK WITH A 60 TO 70% CHARGE WHEN THEY GO OUT AND CONDUCT A DELIVERY. LET'S SAY IF THEY GO OUT AND IN TERMS IN, UM, IN THE EVENT, UM, WEATHER'S POPPING UP, OR, UM, THERE'S SOME UNFORESEEN WEATHER, WEATHER CIRCUMSTANCE. WE EXPERIENCED THIS WITH DUST DEVILS IN ARIZONA. MM-HMM . UM, WE CAN DEMAND THAT THE DRONE COME BACK AND WE CAN NOTIFY THE CUSTOMER. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CONDUCT IT BY DELIVERY, DELIVERY VIA DRONE. WE'RE GONNA BE SENDING IN A VEHICLE. SO WE'RE ABLE TO MONITOR THOSE SYSTEMS WITH THE GOAL OF EITHER RETURNING TO STATION, IF WE DEEM THERE MAY BE A CHALLENGE, OR PUTTING IT SAFELY ON THE GROUND AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, GOING OUT AND RETRIEVING IT, CONDUCTING AN INSPECTION, DEPENDING ON THAT MATTER. WE THEN MAY HAVE TO MAKE A REPORT TO THE FAA, THEY HAVE A SLIDING SCALE OF WHAT A REPORTABLE INCIDENT IS. SO THEN NOTIFYING THE FAA BEFORE WE DEEM THAT, UH, DRONE AIR WORTHY TO COMMENCE DELIVERIES AGAIN. NOPE. THAT'S, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL SAY THAT I DO APPRECIATE THAT Y'ALL REPLACE THE BATTERY EVERY TIME, WHETHER IT'S AT 99% OR 70%. SO, UM, THAT I DID CATCH THAT, IT DOES MEAN A LOT. UM, LET ME SEE, JUST, JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS. I MEAN, SO MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION I CAN CIRCLE BACK, CIRCLE BACK TO STAFF, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU USED TO, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS READING ARTICLES ABOUT THIS, Y'ALL USED TO DROP IT ON QR CODES, RIGHT? [03:50:01] AND NOW IT'S JUST SOMEONE PUTTING A DOT ON A MAP. SO WHAT PREVENTS SOMEONE FROM PUTTING A DOT ON SOMEONE ELSE'S YARD OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT? UH, SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER EARLIER IN, UM, PRIMARIES LEGACY, WE DID HAVE QR CODES MM-HMM . UM, WE'VE SINCE UTILIZED THIS TECHNOLOGY TO ALSO IDENTIFY WHERE CAN WE SAFELY DELIVER, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR DRONE DELIVERY. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, I CAN'T JUST THROW A DOT ONTO SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY AND SAY, I'M GONNA START DELIVERING, BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE NOT RECOGNIZED THAT AS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN DELIVER. THERE MAY BE OBSTRUCTIONS LIKE POWER LINES, TREES, UM, WITHIN OUR, UM, UH, CONSENT, OUR DRONE DELIVERY, WE LIST, UM, ELIGIBLE DELIVERY LOCATIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. UM, SO YOU CAN'T JUST, FOR EXAMPLE, PICK SOME RANDOM.IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND HAVE THE DRONE DELIVERED THERE. IT'S PREORDAINED AS TO WHERE WE CAN SAFELY DELIVER. OKAY. AND IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU REQUEST DELIVERY, BUT BASED ON THE NATURE OF YOUR, YOUR HOME, YOUR RESIDENCE, UH, TREES, POWER LINES THAT YOU MAY WANT DRONE DELIVERY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT BRING IT TO YOU BECAUSE OF THOSE OBSTACLES. OKAY. AND SO FROM, I MEAN, TRUSTING Y'ALL, BUT ALSO VERIFYING FROM OUR END, OR EVEN JUST THINKING OF HYPOTHETICALS IN THE FUTURE, I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CITY COUNCILS CAN DO, UM, OR MUNICIPALITIES CAN DO TO REGULATE WHERE PACKAGES GET DROPPED OFF JUST IN GENERAL MAIL OR DRONE OR OTHERWISE? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. I MEAN, THIS IS BEING DROPPED FROM THE AIR, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER, UH, THE AIRCRAFT MM-HMM . UH, AND IF IT'S BEING DROPPED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, SO WE CAN WE'LL CONFIRM THAT WITH LEGAL IF, IF NEEDED. BUT I, I DON'T SEE ANY, I DON'T SEE ANY REALM WHERE WE WOULD'VE THAT AUTHORITY. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND MY, MY LAST QUESTION I THINK IS JUST ANSWERED PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT SOMETHING ELSE I'D READ WAS THAT DURING THE, I GUESS THE, OH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT CAME TO, UH, PENDLETON AND A LOT OF THE QA TESTS THAT Y'ALL DID THERE, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED GROUNDING THE DIFFERENT DRONES, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT WAS ALL DUE TO QA ISSUES. I MEAN, CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE TO US, UH, AT A, AT A HIGH LEVEL, SORT OF WHAT THE QA PROCESS IS FOR THESE DRONES AT THE PENDLETON FACILITY OR, OR OTHER QA FACILITIES AND SORT OF THE TESTING Y'ALL GO THROUGH JUST ROUTINELY TO MAKE SURE THE SOFTWARE ACTUALLY WORKS THE WAY IT'S INTENDED? SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER, GREAT QUESTION. SO, UM, WE HAVE TWO SITES THAT I WOULD CONSIDER, UM, UNIQUE IN NATURE FOR PRIME. ONE IS LOCATED, UH, WITHIN WASHINGTON STATE. IT'S OUR KIND OF PRIMARY HEADQUARTERS WHERE WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST INDOOR DRONE TESTING CAGES IN THE UNITED STATES. THAT'S WHERE OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, WHERE WE MANUFACTURE THE DRONES AS WELL. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE CONDUCTING AND TESTING SIMULATIONS INSIDE A SAFE ENCLOSED SPACE WITH A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS US TO MONITOR AND CREATE SIMULATIONS THAT WOULD OCCUR OUT IN THE REAL WORLD INSIDE A BUILDING. THE OTHER IS PENDLETON, OREGON, WHERE WE DO OPERATE A TEST SITE. THAT'S WHERE WE CAN CONDUCT TESTS, USUALLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FAA STANDING THERE WATCHING IT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE HAD HELICOPTER AND DRONE AVIATION PILOTS FLY TOWARDS OUR DRONE, UM, SO THAT THE DETECTIVE VOID SYSTEM CAN SENSE THAT AND THEN CONDUCT A PIVOT MANEUVER AND, UH, DECONFLICT FROM THAT AIRSPACE. SO IN THAT LOCATION WHERE WE ARE UNDER SUPERVISION OF THE FAA, WE CAN ACTUALLY SIMULATE, UM, SITUATIONS WE DON'T WANT TO OCCUR, UH, IN THE REAL WORLD, PUSH THE DRONE TO ITS LIMITS TO ENSURE THAT WHEN A CONFLICT DOES ARISE, THE TECHNOLOGY RESPONDS AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT PENDLETON HAS BEEN UTILIZED FOR A MORE REAL WORLD CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE CAN HAVE A GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT OR HELICOPTER FLYING DIRECTLY AT OUR DRONE TO TEST OUR DETECT AND AVOID SYSTEM. UM, THAT'S, I THINK THE INVESTMENT WE'VE MADE IS BOTH THE RESEARCH, THE DESIGN, THE MANUFACTURING IN WHICH WE ALSO DO, AND THEN THE REAL WORLD TESTING SIMULATION IN CONCERT WITH THE FAA. CAN YOU, IF WE WERE, IF SAY WE APPROVE THIS AND A DRONE TAKES OFF FROM AMAZON, LIFTS UP IN THE AIR AND THEN CRASHES DOWN IMMEDIATELY AT THAT POINT, HOW DOES THAT AIR GET TRANSLATED INTO LIKE, WHAT'S THE LIFE CYCLE OF THAT QA ISSUE? SO IN YOUR SIMULATION, WHICH AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT HAD A COMMERCIAL INCIDENT, WE HOPE ONE DOES NOT OCCUR. MM-HMM. BUT LET'S JUST TAKE YOUR HYPOTHETICAL COUNCIL MEMBER. UH, THE DRONE TAKES OFF AT SDX EIGHT AND GOES BACK DOWN TO THE GROUND, UM, IN AN UNCONTROLLED WAY. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN INCIDENT TO NEVER HAPPENED, NEVER HAPPENED. I WANT TO HYPOTHETICALLY, UH, HUMOR YOU, UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, ONE, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY CONTACT LO LOCAL RESPONDING AGENCIES JUST OUT OF PRECAUTION. UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A BATTERY ON BOARD. UM, WE WOULD HAVE OUR TEAM OUT THERE, UM, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE NOTIFICATION TO THE FA BASED ON THAT INCIDENT. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A SLIDING SCALE IN TERMS OF DETAIL. THERE MAY BE OTHER REPORTING AGENCIES AS PART OF THE FA THAT WOULDN'T INVESTIGATE THAT. UM, SO FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY UNDERWRITES [03:55:01] EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. UM, SO WE WOULDN'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO THE FA LOCAL, LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE EVENT THAT WERE TO OCCUR. SAME THING. IF WE WERE TO HAVE A SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING, HYPOTHETICALLY, LET'S SAY IT GETS TO A CUSTOMER'S BACKYARD, IT DROPS A 12 FEET TO CONDUCT A DELIVERY, AND FOR SOME REASON IT JUST DECIDES TO LAND BECAUSE IT EITHER NOTICE AN OBSTRUCTION OR WEATHER PATTERN OR AN UNFORESEEN POWER LINE, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. UM, WE WOULD THEN AGAIN, GO MAKE NOTICE TO THE CUSTOMER, ENSURE NO DAMAGE WAS DONE DEPENDING ON SITUATION, CONTACT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, MOST, MOST LIKELY THAT'D BE THE RESPONDING AGENCY. AND THEN REVIEW THE NOTICE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE. THEN TO THE FAA IN EACH INSTANCE, WE ARE GONNA INSPECT, UM, THE, UH, THE DRONE FOR AIR WORTHINESS DAMAGE THAT'S OCCURRED AND DOCUMENT THAT, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE REGULATORY NATURE, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO RESPOND TO THE FAA WITH. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR PROTA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF THINGS I JUST WANNA CONFIRM IS WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE PA PAST, YOU CERTIFY, UH, UNDER FAA PART 1 21, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, PART 1 35. 1 35, OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO IN ESSENCE, AS A PART 1 35, YOU, YOU MEET THE EXACT SAME STANDARDS AS A CHARTER AND COMMUTER OPERATIONS, UM, MUCH LIKE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE TAKING OFF EVERY DAY FROM ADDISON AND FROM, UM, UM, LOVEFIELD AND OR DFW? CORRECT. MAYOR PRO TEM? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, SO, SO, SO THAT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF STANDARD THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO MEET ALL OF THE FAA REGULATIONS. SO THIS IS NOT, THIS IS UNDER A VERY PRESCRIPTIVE FAA REGULATION THAT IS MUCH HIGHER, IF YOU WILL, THAN SAY SOMEONE WHO IS A PRIVATE DRONE OPERATOR. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OUT THAT, THAT I DIDN'T THINK WAS VERY, WELL, THAT WASN'T QUITE AS CLEAR AS WHAT I WOULD'VE HOPED. IS THAT TRUE MAYOR PRO TEMP? THAT IS CORRECT. AND TO THAT POINT, WE DO CARRY A TAIL NUMBER ON THESE, UM, CORRECT. ON ALL OF OUR AIRCRAFT THAT'S IDENTIFIABLE AS THE FAA. RIGHT. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SPECIFIC FAA IDENTIFICATION NUMBER THAT'S ON EVERY AIRCRAFT THAT'S CERTIFIED BY THE FAA. IT'S THE, IT'S THE, THE ACTUAL AIRCRAFT IDENTIFICATION NUMBER. SO EVERY ONE OF YOURS WOULD BE IDENTIFIED BY A SPECIFIC NUMBER IN THE EVENT OF A, OF ANY TYPE OF AN ISSUE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, MY RECOLLECTION IS, IS THAT AT A PRESENTATION, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THIS PARTICULAR AIRCRAFT CAN FLY BACK, CAN, IF IT TAKES OFF, AND IF FOR ANY REASON IT LOSES, UM, UP TO THREE MOTORS, IT CAN FLY BACK TO THE CENTER ON JUST THREE MOTORS. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, UH, FOR, UH, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM ON THE MK 30 DRONE, IF ONE PROPELLER WERE TO LOSE POWER, IT WOULD, UH, CONDUCT A SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING. SO WE WOULD PUT THE IT ON THE GROUND AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. WE WOULD NOT FLY IT IF THREE PROPELLERS WERE NOT WORKING. BUT, BUT IN THEORY, THE UNIT IS POWERED SUCH THAT IT'S, THAT ONE, ONE PROPELLER DOES NOT, DOES NOT CAUSE IT TO JUST FALL FROM THE SKY, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. CORRECT. UH, CORRECT. MAYOR PRO TEM, ONE PROPELLER NOT OPERATING, WOULD NOT CAUSE IT TO FALL FROM THE SKY AND BE INOPERABLE. THERE WOULD BE, UM, POWER ON BOARD TO BE ABLE TO, AGAIN, PUT THE DRONE ON THE GROUND AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO CONDUCT A SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING. OKAY. UM, CAN YOU GO BACK FOR JUST A MOMENT ON THE, UM, THE, THE FLIGHT PATH THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. OKAY. UM, I, I, IT'S LATE, BUT I DID MATH. UM, AND SO I'M GONNA SEE IF MY MATH IS CORRECT, AND THEN YOU CAN HELP ME THROUGH THIS IF I DID, IF I DID THE MATH RIGHT. BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, THE DRONE IN ESSENCE FLIES AT A CAPABILITY OF 70 MILES AN HOUR BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID KNOTS WERE. SO, UM, OVER THE SEVEN AND A HALF MILES THAT IT COULD, THAT IT COULD GO OUT, THAT WOULD TAKE SIX MINUTES AND 26 SECONDS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS FEASIBLY CORRECT, YES. OKAY. SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, LEAVING ASIDE THE, THE LANDING AND TAKEOFF, WHOOPS, I'M SORRY. LANDING AND TAKEOFF AT YOUR CENTER OVER A PARTICULAR HOUSE, GIVEN THAT THAT, THAT TIMEFRAME OF IT GOING 70 MILES AN HOUR, UM, APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG WOULD IT BE OVER THE RESIDENCE? UM, TO, TO, TO, TO WHETHER THAT BE A, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE EITHER A, A DESCENT OR A FOR, UH, OR A 90 DEGREE DROP, WHICH I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHICH, WHICH, I GUESS THAT'S BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THE FAA, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, DROPPING DOWN TO CONDUCT THE DELIVERY, YES. THE EXPOSURE IS SO BRIEF WOULD BE FOR A MATTER OF SECONDS TO DESCEND, DROP, DESCEND [04:00:01] WHILE DROP, CONDUCTING THE SCAN OF THE DELIVERY POINT, DROPPING THE PACKAGE, THEN IMMEDIATELY ASCENDING AND RETURN TO THE STATION. SO A MATTER OF SECONDS OF BRIEF EXPOSURE AT THE DECIBEL LEVEL THAT WE PROVIDED. SO 10 SECONDS, 15 SECONDS, UH, LESS THAN 10 SECONDS. LESS THAN 10 SECONDS THAT YOU'D BE, THAT, THAT, THAT THAT RESIDENCE AND ANY ACCOMPANYING RESIDENCE WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UM, SUBJECT TO, IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS ABOUT 68 DECIBELS. IS THAT CORRECT? WHICH YOU HAD UP THERE EARLIER, RIGHT THERE. 68, YEAH. 6 68 0.4. THAT, AND THAT WOULD, I'M SORRY, THAT WOULD BE AT THE, THE POINT OF DELIVERY AND IN THE FRONT YARD IT WOULD BE 60. I'M CURIOUS, DID YOU HAPPEN TO CONDUCT ANY, AS A PART OF THE HOME DELIVERY EXPERIENCE? DID YOU, DID YOU HAPPEN TO MONITOR INSIDE THE HOME ITSELF? ANECDOTALLY, WE HAD INDIVIDUALS STANDING INSIDE THE HOUSE, BUT WE DIDN'T DO A SOUND STUDY AS IF YOU WERE IN THE KITCHEN. BUT AGAIN, AT THAT EXPOSURE THROUGH WINDOWS, IT'S SUCH A BRIEF EXPOSURE, YOU'LL HEAR BRIEF NOISE AND THEN IT'S GONE. OKAY. SO I DON'T HAVE THE DECIBEL READING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE, BUT THAT'S THE DECIBEL READING. IF YOU WERE STANDING NEAR THE DELIVERY POINT IN THE BACKYARD, NOT PROTECTED BY LAYERS OF INSULATION WINDOWS. RIGHT. AND THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE FOUR DEFINED 10 SECONDS OR LESS? CORRECT. OKAY. VERY BRIEF EXPOSURE. OKAY. UM, I THINK THOSE WERE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BAREZ. BEEN THERE FOR TIME. QUICK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. QUICK FOLLOW UP. UM, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN ASKED A QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT I KNEW THE ANSWER TO, AND THEN I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED. IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN, IF I BOUGHT A, YOU KNOW, INEXPENSIVE HOME DRONE, I HAVE A, I COULD CONTROL IT ON MY PHONE OR SOME KIND OF CONTROLLER, IT GOES UP, RIGHT? THIS ONE-ON-ONE RATIO, YOU MENTIONED IT. DO THESE IN A, IN A PLANE. AND I'M NOT A PILOT COUNCILMAN HUTCH AND RUDDER IS, SO HE OBVIOUSLY HAD SOME GREAT QUESTIONS THIS EVENING. UM, BUT I USED TO FLY A LOT IN MY PREVIOUS CAREER AND YOU KNOW, A PILOT MAY COME ON FOR TAKEOFF AND THEN IT'S AUTO FLIGHT AND THEN PILOT COMES BACK ON TO LAND. UM, AND, UM, OR IT CAN COME OFF WHENEVER HE NEEDS TO, IF THERE'S WEATHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HE OR SHE NEEDS TO. UM, IS THAT THE SITUATION HERE WHERE THERE'S AN AUTOPILOT TAKEOFF LANDING? IS IT TRULY, OBVIOUSLY THE TECHNOLOGY IS MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING I'D HAVE AT MY OWN HOME FOR FUN, BUT IS IT SIMILAR TO LIKE, WHAT I WOULD HAVE IN A HOME IN THE SENSE OF I HAVE TO CONTROL IT AT ALL TIMES, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT KIND OF AUTOPILOT, IF THAT EVEN EXISTS AND KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RATIO? SURE. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, THE DRONE IS AUTONOMOUS. UM, AND SO IT'S GONNA FLY UPON A PREDETERMINED PATH. SO AGAIN, WITH SAFETY IN MIND, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY THERE WITH A JOYSTICK CONTROLLING IT FROM START TO FINISH. UM, THAT IS THE DRONES, UM, UH, SYSTEMS WILL ALLOW IT TO TAKE OFF, FLY CONTINUOUSLY SCANNING IN FRONT OF IT WHILE WE ARE MONITORING, UM, THE, THE AIRSPACE AROUND IT. UM, IT WILL THEN SHOW UP, CONDUCT THE DRONE DELIVERY BY ITSELF. IT WILL ALSO CONDUCT A SCAN IF FOR ANY REASON IT, THE DRONE ITSELF DE DETECTS AN OBSTACLE, IT WILL ITSELF THEN NOT CONDUCT THE DELIVERY RETURN TO STATION OR THEN CONDUCT THE DELIVERY IF THERE'S NO OBSTACLE RETURN TO STATION. UM, IF THE DRONE MONITOR ON SITE IS WATCHING THE DRONE GO OUT AND CONDUCT A DELIVERY AND IT NOTICES, UH, ABNORMALITY AND WEATHER COMING IN, UM, THEY CAN COMMAND IT RETURN TO STATION. SO THEY'RE COMMANDING IT TO TAKE AN OPERATION, WHICH IS TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK TO STATION, WHICH WOULD BE STX EIGHT. UM, OR IN THE EVENT OF SOME OTHER UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE, IT CONDUCT A SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING WHERE THE DRONE HAS SAFETY CAPABILITIES TO THEN IDENTIFY WHERE IT CAN SAFELY PUT ITSELF ON THE GROUND. UM, INTERJECTING A PILOT FROM A FAR, WITH A JOYSTICK SYSTEM YEAH. IS, IS A LEVEL OF UNPREDICTABILITY WHERE WE'VE REINVESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THE DRONE IN ITS IN, UH, INTERNAL OPERATIONS CAN SAFELY NAVIGATE THAT WITHOUT A JOYSTICK FROM A FAR, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IMMEDIATE PERCEPTION, WE CAN RELY ON THE DRONES, UH, FRONT, UH, FRONT SENSOR TO IDENTIFY WHERE IT CAN SAFELY PUT ITSELF ON THE GROUND. SO THAT IS, WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM A RECREATIONAL DRONE WHERE YOU HAVE A JOYSTICK OR A CELL PHONE CONTROL. THIS, THE DRONE MONITOR BASED ON VISUAL AWARENESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AIRSPACE, UM, CAN, UH, COMMAND IT TO DO THINGS LIKE A SAFE CONTINGENT LANDING. THAT'S WHERE WE PUT THE DRONE, UM, UH, DOWN ON THE GROUND OR COME BACK AND RETURN TO STATION AND NOT CONDUCT THE DELIVERY. OKAY. ONE LAST QUESTION. YOU JUST USED THE TERM DRONE MONITOR. I USED THE TERM PILOT. ARE THOSE INTERCHANGEABLE? ARE DRONE MONITORS FAA LICENSED OPERATORS? I KNOW MY NEIGHBOR HAD A BUSINESS, HE HAD TO GET SOME KIND OF FAA TRAINING AND LICENSE AND TO OPERATE DRONES FOR HIS BUSINESS. IS THAT ALL THOSE MONITORS? FA, LICENSE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE DRONE OPERATION [04:05:01] CERTIFICATION? THAT'S A PART 1 0 7 CERTIFICATION BY THE FA THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN A, A GENERAL AVIATION PILOT REGISTRATION. RIGHT. SO THE BUT IT IS A F FA LICENSE. IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN GO GET A PART-TIME JOB MONITORING DRONES ON A SCREEN SOMEWHERE. CORRECT. THERE IS TRAINING THAT GOES INTO THAT, UH, AS PART OF THAT PART 1 0 7 CERTIFICATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. A LOT OF QUESTIONS. A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. UH, ONE THAT BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT I WANTED TO HAVE YOU ADDRESS IS THE TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, I HAD MADE A COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT POTENTIALLY TYING THIS TO OUR, OUR NOISE ORD ORDINANCE, SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE LARGEST CONCERNS OUTSIDE OF SAFETY. UM, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO DO DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND WHAT WE MAY HEAR, UM, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. UM, OUR GOAL, LOOKING AT THE DELIVERY WINDOW WHEN CUSTOMERS ARE TYPICALLY ORDERING THINGS, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO DO IT WHEN THEY'RE HOME BASED ON THIS OPERATION. NOT JUST WHEN THEY MAY BE AT WORK ORDERING TO THEIR HOUSE, WHICH MANY PEOPLE MAY ORDER FROM WORK OR NOT. UM, BUT WE WANT TO BE THE, UH, CUSTOMER TO BE ABLE TO BE HOME WHEN THEY CONDUCT THE DELIVERY. SO WE, AND WE ALSO WANNA ALIGN WITH THE FAS DEFINITION OF CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS, IS WE BELIEVE THAT'S ALSO WHAT OTHER DRONE OPERATORS ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING AT FOR DAYTIME DELIVERIES. UM, IF WE WERE TO SHRINK THAT HOUR, UM, UH, TO CERTAIN TIMES SUCH AS I BELIEVE 7:00 AM TO A DIFFERENT, UH, TIME IN THE EVENING WAS SELECTED, UM, WE WOULD BE, UM, UNABLE TO DELIVER TO CUSTOMERS DURING THOSE TIMES WHEN THEY MAY ACTUALLY RECEIVE OTHER AMAZON ORDERS. SO WE HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT. THE DISALIGNMENT WITH THE FAA ALSO, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE OPERATING IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, WE WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THAT TIMEFRAME. THOSE, UH, COMPANIES OPERATE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, THOUGH MAY NOT BE SUBJECT TO THAT AS WELL. SO THERE WOULD BE AN INCONGRUENT TIMELINE OF WHEN DRONES WOULD BE CONDUCTING COMMERCIAL DELIVERIES WITHIN THE CITY. BUT OUR, OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO ALIGN WITH WHAT THE FAA PRESCRIBES AS CIVIL TWILIGHT HOURS. YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. I ASSUME THAT'S TRUE. IF SOMEBODY IS FLYING A DRONE FROM GARLAND INTO RICHARDSON AND IT VIOLATES OUR NOISE ORDINANCE, I MEAN, ARE, ARE WE OUTTA LUCK ON THAT OR IS THERE ANY ENFORCEMENT WE WOULD HAVE AGAIN, IN THAT SCENARIO? I THINK THE CLOSEST IT WOULD COME WOULD BE 12 TO 15 FEET TO THE GROUND. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EVEN HAVE JURISDICTION TO, UH, REGULATE IT. YEAH. BUT, BUT I MEAN, EVEN AGAIN, DURING NOISE ORDINANCE, LIKE WHAT WOULD WE NOT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, COLLEGE STATION FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SAID IT SOUNDED LIKE CHAINSAWS FLYING AROUND. WOULD THERE BE NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO? I MEAN, AT ALL, I'M, I, AGAIN, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, I'M NOT AWARE OF HOW WE CAN APPLY THE NOISE ORDINANCE TO A DRONE THAT'S FLYING. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN A HELICOPTER OR AN AIRPLANE OR ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OR, OR JUST ANY AIRCRAFT THAT'S REGULATED UNDER THE SECTION THAT MAYOR PRO TIM HUTCHIN REFERRED TO. WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE THAT. SO, YEAH, SINCE IT'S NOT LANDING AT ALL. RIGHT. OKAY. I'LL THINK ON THAT. I WANNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. ALRIGHT. UH, AT THIS POINT, CAN WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? I HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MAYOR, AND THAT IS DANTE LOPEZ. GOOD EVENING. I'LL TRY AND KEEP MY, UM, POINTS, UH, SUMMARIZED BRIEFLY 'CAUSE UH, IT'S GETTING LATE. UM, I'VE ATTENDED A NUMBER OF PRESENTATION BY SAM AND THE TEAM AS WELL AS THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN, UH, MARCH ITSELF. UH, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? I LIVE, YEAH, SORRY. I LIVE AT 3 5 1 17 ARLINGTON LANE, UH, RICHARDSON, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM THE OLD JITSU OR CELESTE TIME, THE OTHER SIDE OF BRECKENRIDGE. SO ABOUT THE 1,850 FEET KIND OF REFERENCE THAT WAS GIVEN. UM, AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS, SO SOME OF MY COMMENTS WILL BE IN CONTEXT OF THAT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN THIS AREA OVER THE LAST, UH, FOUR YEARS. UM, AND COLLECTIVELY THEY'VE NOT BEEN CONDUCIVE TO THE RESIDENTS. A LOT OF THE COMMENTS YOU SAW IN THE MARKED PRESENTATION ALL WERE FROM THE RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF THE NOISE AND THE AGGRAVATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. SO I'M EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO THESE CONTEXTS OF, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE A CAR GOING BY. WELL, THIS IS A CAR AT 2200 FEET ABOVE MY HEAD THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT. SO CONTEXT MATTERS AND THE COLLECTIVE VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE'LL ALSO BE A PRESENTATION COMING TO YOU PROBABLY SHORTLY ABOUT TEARING DOWN THE OLD FUJITSU OFFICE AND BUILDING YET ANOTHER WAREHOUSE WITH 7 72, UH, TRUCK BASE. AGAIN, THE COLLECTIVE USE OF ALL THESE THINGS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US IS BECOMING A, AN AGGRAVATION POINT. RECENTLY RETIRED AND WISHED TO ENJOY MY COFFEE AND PULL IN THE BACKYARD, PERIOD. THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS. I INTENTIONALLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THERE WHEN FUJITSU WAS THERE. IT WAS A GREAT NEIGHBOR BECAUSE OF THE SILENCE, AND THERE WAS NO COMMERCIAL ZONES THERE. UNDERSTAND THAT THE AREAS IN IS ZONED AS, UH, ZONE, UH, INDUSTRIAL USE, BUT IN CONTEXT TO, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING THROUGH TELECOM, INCREASED TRAFFIC, AND NOW LISTENING TO CELESTE STEIN'S CHOP, UH, [04:10:02] BAY, IMMEDIATELY FACING US ACROSS BRECKENRIDGE, BEEPING ALONG ALL DAY HAS JUST BEEN UNBEARABLE. AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE ON THE STREET HERE, BY THE WAY. I SEE THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH, I DON'T HOW MANY WILL COME UP AND SPEAK, BUT THIS IS THE COLLECTIVE VIEW THAT YOU SAW BACK IN THE COMMENTS BOTH PREVIOUSLY AND PROBABLY TOWARDS TONIGHT. SO MY CHALLENGE HAS BEEN THEN, WELL, WHAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE OFFSET? I SAW THE, THE LOCATION SHIFT A LITTLE BIT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING TO, TO MORE ACCOMMODATE A DISTANCE. BUT CLEARLY THIS ALL GETS TO THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS, UH, AND HOW MANY PASSOVER. SO ANYTHING TO THE EAST IS MY CONCERN, OF COURSE, AND MY IMMEDIATE LOCATION. SO FREQUENCY DOES MATTER, AND SOMETHING FLYING OVER MY HEAD DOESN'T GET THE DISTRACTION OF AMBIENT NOISE BEING, UH, DISSIPATED FROM HOUSES AND FENCES. SO THESE THINGS MATTER. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE ONLY RECOURSE, THE ONE AND DONE ANALOGY IS PERFECT THOUGHT BY THE WAY, IS THAT EITHER, UH, WE DECLINED THIS ALTOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN LAND, LAND AND TAKE HOME, AND THEN THAT RESOLVES THE WHOLE ISSUE FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW OR RELY ON THE FAA. MY RELIANCE ON THE FA IS ZERO. UH, I'M SORRY. THE COLLEGE STATION SITUATION WAS NOT GOOD. SAM DIDN'T COMMENT TOO MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT I DO FIND AMAZON SEEMS VERY RECEPTIVE TO FEEDBACK AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND HAS TAKEN CORRECTIVE ACTION. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE FAA DID THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT DOWN THERE AND IT APPROVED THAT SITUATION. THE FAA IS NOT THERE TO COVER MY BACK IN TERMS OF THE ANNOYANCE LEVEL PERIOD, WHETHER I'M IMAGIN TO VISUALLY SEE THIS THING AT 200 FEET ABOVE MY HAIR OR LISTEN IT TO A BUZZ OVER MY HEAD. SO THE NOISE OF REFERENCE, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTEXT OF THE NUMBER OF DBS. IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THE NUMBERS ON PAGE 64, THE DOCUMENTATION, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO 63.9 DBS, WHICH IS TYPICAL BUSINESS COMMERCIAL AREA. OKAY, WELL, I DIDN'T MOVE THERE TO BE NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AREA, AND THIS LAND WAS NOT INTENDED FOR THAT USE. SO I, I'M VERY SENSITIVE IN THE CONTEXT. IT'S AN INTERESTING ANALOGY USED, AND I KNOW IT'S FOR THE PURPOSE OF A REFERENCE AND IT PAINTS A BIG VISION IN YOUR HEAD, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DON'T WANT BUZZING OVER MY HEAD. AGAIN, IT'S A COLLECTIVE EFFECT OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY AS, UH, FUJITSU HAS DECLINED. SO I APPRECIATE THAT AMAZON IS RECEPTIVE TO FEEDBACK. I THINK SAM'S MADE A LOT OF POINTS HE DIDN'T ARTICULATE AS WELL TODAY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN COMMON STATION AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS. AND THEY HAVE TURNED THE BOAT AROUND ON, ON THE NEGATIVE COMMENT FACTOR WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY MADE. BUT THERE'S NO LEGAL RECOURSE, THERE'S NO REMEDY IN THIS SITUATION. THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM THAT YOU AS CITY, UH, REPRESENTATIVES ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. AGAIN, THE ONE AND DONE ANALOGY, UH, COMING BACK TO VIEW, UH, THE SIX MONTH FEEDBACK IS, IS ALSO IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY'LL STILL BE RAMPING UP. MY, MY CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENS IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS? THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. SAY IT'S A 10 MILE ZONE, YES, THEY'D HAVE TO REFILE, BUT THE PRACTICALITY OF HOW MANY FLIGHTS COULD BE OCCURRING OUT OF THIS, I THINK IS MUCH GREATER THAN 300 PHYSICALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER EXTENDED HOURS. AND I CAN AGREE WITH 'EM IN TERMS OF, HEY, YOU WANT TO COVER YOUR CUSTOMER BASE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT THE FAA CURRENTLY ALLOWS. I CAN SEE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT. SO HOW MUCH OF THAT'S GONNA OCCUR? AND THERE'S NO STRUCTURE AS TO HOW I MAKE A RESOLUTION TO IT. I CAN PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK. I THINK THEY LISTEN. I DID SEE SOME STUFF IN THE WING ANALOGY, UH, PRESENTATION IN THE MARCH MEETING ABOUT ALTERING A PASS. THEY HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY, THEY CAN DO THAT. BEYOND THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS POINT IS I HAVE NO RESOLUTION AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO IN THE END, I THINK YOUR ONLY RECOURSE CURRENTLY IS TO DENY, AND THAT'S MY REQUEST, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. BUT THE FACTS THAT THESE ARE KEY QUESTIONS THAT DO AFFECT IMMEDIATE RESIDENCE, BOTH ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HERE FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, THE TOLLWAY, BUT THERE YOU'RE EVEN CLOSER. AND THOSE WERE MY POINTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE WITH YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS OR ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IF YOU'LL, UH, PROMISE TO FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS WHEN YOU GO UP, IF YOU'LL JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, MY NAME IS ERIC SCOTT. I AM AT 41 44 BENLEY DRIVE IN THE CREEK HALL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, IF I'D KNOWN IT WAS GONNA BE SO COLD HERE, I WOULD'VE WORN A SUIT. UM, I'M, I'M HERE. I HAPPEN TO BE A HA BOARD MEMBER, BUT I'M REALLY HERE TO SPEAK TO MY PERSONAL CAPACITY. I'M REALLY NEITHER FOR OR AGAINST. I'VE HAD MY NEIGHBORS, UH, GET DRONE DELIVERIES FROM WING BEHIND ME. I'VE HEARD THEM FLY OVERHEAD. UH, I AM CONCERNED FOR OUR NEIGHBORS WHO MIGHT BE IN A FLIGHT PATH OR IN A FREQUENT FLIGHT PATH. I DIDN'T SEE ANY, ANY DECIBEL, UH, STUFF AR ABOUT OVER FLIGHTS, BUT I'M SURE IT'S, YOU KNOW, QUICK IT GOES BY. IT'S, I KNOW MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I'VE HEARD THEM IN THE DISTANCE, SEEN THEM AS THEY APPROACH AND THEN SEEN 'EM AS THEY GO. THEY GO OVERHEAD. BUT JUST WANTED TO STAND UP AND, UH, REPRESENT MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST, YOU KNOW, LET YOU KNOW. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WILL HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT [04:15:01] THAN ME LIVING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY THAN, UH, OUR RESIDENT HERE. SO, THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. UH, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST, UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT A PD VERSUS AN SUP, I THINK YOU SAID IN SOME CITIES IT'S AN SUP SYSTEM. UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, IF THAT'S, THE COUNCIL'S WILL LOOK UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND WE WOULDN'T WANNA CALL IT UP. IT'S A DIFFICULT PROCESS TO DO IT, BUT IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, UM, YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH IF, IF WE DID THAT JUST TO SORT OF, UM, THE ONE AND DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SORT OF ASSUAGE SOME OF THAT, BUT THERE IS RECOURSE. UM, SHOULD WE, WE NEED IT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, THE DESIGN THAT WE BROUGHT FORTH, AND THE REASON WE WANTED TO PURSUE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT PROCESS, AND WE WERE ADVISED TO DO SO AS WELL, IS WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE. NOT SOMETHING THAT IS TEMPORARY, UM, THAT CAN BE ROLLED UP, PUT INTO A VAN, AND THEN TRANSPORTED OFF THE SITE. UM, BASED ON THE POWER REQUIREMENTS, UM, THE MODULAR UNITS THAT REQUIRE BUILDING, PERMITTING AND FIRE, UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND THE DEFINITION BUT ALSO CREATE MORE PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT MAY BE TEMPORARY IN NATURE. UM, BASED ON THE EXPENSE AND INFRASTRUCTURE WE'D BE PUTTING INTO THE SITE, THE SITE GRADING THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR, UM, THE RISK WOULD NOT ALIGN WITH THAT PERMITTING PROCESS. OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE PERMITTING A SIMILAR PROC OR PERMITTING THE SAME DESIGN, ALBEIT UNDER A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE DRONE DELIVERS NOT SPOKEN TO IN THEIR CODE. AND SO OFTEN IT MAY BE CATEGORIZED AS A, IT IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH NO EXPIRATION DATE AND IS CHANGING THE ZONING. UM, OR WE ARE REZONING, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE DID IN SAN ANTONIO, WE CREATED A RULE INTERPRETATION DETERMINATION AND ESSENTIALLY REZONED A PARCEL 9,000, UH, SQUARE FOOT PARCEL OF THE SITE FOR DRONE PORT. AND SO BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE INVESTMENT, WE ARE MAKING THE PERMANENCY OF IT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, A TEMPORARY PERMITTING SOLUTION WOULD BE, UM, UH, NOT ADVISABLE FOR US BASED ON IF THAT WERE TO BE THEN REVOKED, UM, WE, YOU, WE WOULD THEN BE MAKING MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE TO TAKE OUT ALL THAT EXPENSE, UM, THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED INTO THE SITE. YEAH, I I THINK TEMPORARY IS NOT A FAIR WAY TO PUT IT. UM, BUT IT DOES GIVE THE CITY SOME RECOURSE SHOULD ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS DOES, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE. THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UM, WOULD GIVE THE CITY SOME RECOURSE WHERE WE REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE IT NOW. SO I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE? YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO, I THINK, JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS TO CALL IT UP. UM, IT'S NOT JUST SORT OF ON A WHIM, WE GOT ONE COMPLAINT FROM A NEIGHBOR AND NOW WE'RE MAD AND WE'RE GONNA YANK YOUR PERMIT BACK. WELL, IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR DELAY. UM, EVEN IF YOU APPROVE THIS WITHOUT PREJUDICE, IF IT'S NOT A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT, THERE'S A ONE YEAR SHOT CLOCK, SO IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR DELAY. THEN YOU WOULD COME IN AND YOU WOULD, UM, AMEND YOUR PD TO ALLOW A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A DRONE DELIVERY, UH, CENTER. AND THEN, UH, WE'D HAVE TO TALK THROUGH WHETHER WE CAN CON CON, COULD CONCURRENTLY RUN THE REQUEST. UH, TO, I THINK YOU MISSED, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS, IF WE WERE GO THROUGH ALL THAT THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AND THEN WANNA CALL UP THE SUP, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE TO GIVE POTENTIALLY THE APPLICANT SOME ASSURANCE THAT IT'S NOT JUST SORT OF ON A WHIM TYPE OF PROCEDURE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE DUE PROCESS AND THAT IT WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T JUST YANK IT BACK ONE DAY BECAUSE WE, WE WANTED TO, UM, WELL, WELL TRUE THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE HAS TO, IT WOULD BE, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE AN OVERWHELMING, UM, IDENTIFIED NEGATIVE IMPACT. UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVEN UP TO REVOKE THE SPECIAL PERMIT. UM, AND SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A TEMPORARY PERMIT AS, UH, MY COUNCILMAN JUSTICE SAID, IT'S NOT A TEMPORARY PERMIT PER SE. UM, IT JUST PROVIDES, BUT THE, I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, THE LEVEL, THE BURDEN FOR THE CITY TO REVOKE A SPECIAL PERMIT IS, IS A HIGH BURDEN. UM, AND SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR THE REASONS YOU DESCRIBED. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GONNA, THIS COUNCIL IS GONNA GRANT A, A ZONING VARIANCE THAT WOULD RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL REINVE OR INVESTMENT IN A, IN A PROPERTY, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST REVERSE BECAUSE OF A NOISE COMPLAINT, FOR INSTANCE, OR NOISE COMPLAINTS FOR THAT MATTER. UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL BURDEN THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE, UM, TO, UH, TO, TO, UH, WARRANT A REVERSAL OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I MAY, UM, I THINK TAKING A INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE COMMENTS, INCLUDING THE, THE CHAINSAW [04:20:01] REFERENCE THAT WAS REFERRING TO THE MARK 27 DRONE. YEAH. NOT THE MARK 30 CURRENTLY IN OPERATION, UM, US MAKING THIS INVESTMENT HERE IN RICHARDSON IS TO PARTNER AND NOT BE A NUISANCE IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, BASED ON THE FAA REGULATION, AMAZON COULD EASILY CITE A PADDOCK IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION NEARBY AND FLY INTO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT, WITH MINIMAL, IF ANY JURISDICTION. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE WANNA BE A GOOD STEWARD IN THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE OPTED TO REALLY TAKE A MORE PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT INTO THE SITE, GO THROUGH THIS TO ALLOW IT AS A USE AND HOPEFULLY PROVE A BEST IN CLASS APPROACH, UM, TO HAVING THIS ENGAGEMENT, TO HAVING A PUBLIC PROCESS FOR IT, TO HAVING A PUBLIC APPROVAL PROCESS FOR IT. WHERE, UM, EVEN THROUGH THE FAA, WE PROVIDE A LIST OF OUTREACH. THE CITY CAN PROVIDE A LIST OF OUTREACH. SO WE'RE MAKING MEANINGFUL INVESTMENT ON TOP OF THE INVESTMENT WE'VE ALREADY MADE. UM, SO THAT IN THE EVENT THERE IS A COMPLAINT OR A CONCERN OF THE CITY, IT IS NOT A PUNITIVE PROCESS THAT HAS TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL. IT CAN BE A DIRECT CONVERSATION BETWEEN AMAZON, THE CITY TO MAKE IT RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S ENGAGING WITH HOAS, CITY STAFF, CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO. WE'RE NOT HERE TO JUST GET IT APPROVED AND WALK AWAY. IF THERE IS A ISSUE, WHETHER IT BE, AND THIS WOULD COME UP IN BUILDING PERMITTING. IF THERE'S A PERMITTING ISSUE, WE WOULD HAVE AN INSPECTION. SAME WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND SO THE ISSUE IS TO CREATE AN INVESTMENT THAT IS RELYING UPON AMAZON BEING A GOOD STEWARD, ACTING IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE COMMUNITY. I, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND YOU YOU'RE CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME ON THAT. IT WAS THE PRIOR VERSION THAT THEY REFERRED TO AS SOUNDING LIKE CHAINSAWS. UM, I, I GUESS AFTER HEARING THAT EXPLANATION, I FULLY BELIEVE YOU, YOU'VE BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. I KNOW THAT FOLKS THAT HAVE MET YOU IN THE COMMUNITY EVEN TONIGHT HAVE SAID THAT YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. AND SO WE, WE TAKE YOU AT YOUR WORD ON THAT. I'M, I'M JUST SORT OF THINKING ABOUT IT AGAIN. SOMETHING GOES AWRY. WHAT IS OUR RECOURSE? AND THAT'S A, THIS WOULD BE A WAY, UH, FOR US TO HAVE RECOURSE. SO WITH THE EXPLANATION THAT MR. MAGNER'S PROVIDED, IS THE ANSWER STILL NO, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER? I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S AN OPTION. WE ARE INTERESTED IN, OKAY. IT'S PUTTING A TREMENDOUS BURDEN OF RISK ON MAKING A MAJOR INVESTMENT, MAKING SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE SITE THROUGH, UH, OUR BUILDING PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE POTENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A, A HIGH BAR, THAT BAR IS STILL THERE WHERE WE WOULD THEN BE REMOVING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND INVESTMENT FROM A SITE. UM, THAT COULD, WE THINK, CAUSE CERTAINLY DAMAGE TO OUR COMPANY. UM, AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE CONCERNS ON OUR ABILITY TO THEN OPERATE, UM, OUT OF RICHARDSON. YEAH, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FAIR AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY. COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. UH, QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS REFERRED TO FLIGHT PATH. NOW ON A PLANE, AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVED ON A FLIGHT PATH, OBVIOUSLY THERE MIGHT BE IN A SMALL AIRPORT, THREE OR FOUR OPTIONS OF APPROACHES. UH, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE ON DRONES? THEY, ARE THEY RANDOMIZED? IS IT SIMILAR TO WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE THREE OR FOUR KIND OF APPROACHES SPECIFICALLY AND YOU ALWAYS TAKE ONE OF THOSE APPROACHES UPON EXIT? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? IS THAT A THING WITHIN DRONES? SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER. SO, UM, THE GOAL IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE OFF FROM THE PADDOCK AND TAKE THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE TO THE CUSTOMER, UM, TO LEVERAGE THAT BATTERY POWER SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THEM. SO 360 DEGREES OF THE SITE NOW, WE WILL NAVIGATE AROUND SOME OF THOSE CONFLICTS. UM, MAYOR PRO TEMS HOSPITAL, JUST NORTH, WE, WE WOULD PUT A NO-FLY ZONE OVER THE HELIPORT JUST SO WE'RE NOT CONFLICTING WITH FLIGHT FOR LIFE AND MEDICAL OPERATIONS. UM, SO WE WOULD DE-CONFLICT BY FLYING AROUND THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE FLYING IN ALL 360 DEGREES, UH, A MINUS ANY OBSTRUCTION THAT WE MAY HAVE IMMEDIATELY AROUND THERE TO DELIVER FOR CUSTOMERS. MAY I HU ONE LAST QUESTION, SAM, I FORGOT TO ASK IT EARLIER. I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, UM, YOU COULDN'T STATE AT THIS POINT IN TIME THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE MILES AND THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE REDUCED BY DRONE DELIVERY, BUT I LIVE OUT THERE. I DRIVE BY IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. THAT'S MY ROUTE. I GO FROM MY HOME IN BRECKENRIDGE, STRAIGHT UP BRECKENRIDGE. I PASS BY YOUR FACILITY EVERY SINGLE DAY, TWICE, IF NOT MORE TIMES. UM, THE NUMBER OF KIAS YOU BROUGHT IN IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. UM, SO THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF INCREASE IN THE NUMBER, I'LL CALL IT THE KIA TRAFFIC. UM, SO I, THERE'S, THERE'S, I MEAN I THINK IT'S FAIR TO STATE THAT I CAN'T TALK, SORRY. THE DRONE DELIVERY WILL, WILL CREATE AN IMPACT IN THE NUMBER OF KIAS THAT'S GONNA BE RUNNING AROUND AT THE CORNER OF SHILOH AND BRECKENRIDGE. AND THEN POINTS EVERY WHICH DIRECTION. I MEAN, THERE WILL BE AN, THERE'LL BE A, MY WORDS, THERE ARE PO THERE IS A POSITIVE IMPACT, WHICH AGAIN, AND I, I DON'T, I MEAN I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY TO TO TO MONETIZE THIS, BUT IT, IT WILL SAVE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROADS. IT'LL SAVE TRAFFIC, IT'LL SAVE SIGNIFICANT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? MAYOR PRO TEM? UH, THE KIAS ARE THERE TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATE FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY NOT WANNA USE THEIR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE OR MAY NOT HAVE A VEHICLE. WE WANNA CONDUCT DELIVERY. SO WE DO SEE AS A BENEFIT TO THOSE WHO ARE WISHING [04:25:01] TO DELIVER, BUT MAY BE HINDERING THEIR ABILITY TO USE THEIR OWN VEHICLE OR A VEHICLE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. UNTIL WE GET TO A GREATER SCALE, I DON'T WANNA PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE OF X LIGHTS, BUT THE GOAL IS THAT WE ARE, AS WE, UM, SEE GREATER, UM, CUSTOMER UTILIZATION, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, COMMENCE MORE VIA DRONE FOR THAT FIVE POUND OR LESS ORDER, UM, IN UNDER 60 MINUTES OR LESS REDUCING TRAFFIC. UM, WE'RE JUST EARLY IN THE BUSINESS TO PROVIDE A ESTIMATE OR FORECAST WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. AND, AND AGAIN, AS FAR AS IMPACT ON NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE DRONE WILL LITERALLY BE OVER FOR SECONDS AS COMPARED TO A VEHICLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, FIND THE ADDRESS, PERSON GETS OUT, FINDS THE PACKAGE IN THE VEHICLE, DELIVERS IT TO THE FRONT DOOR. SO, SO OVERALL IMPACT AS FAR AS, IF I JUST SIMPLY SAY AMAZON, SORRY, AMAZON DELIVERY VIA KIA VERSUS AMAZON DELIVERY VIA DRONE, THERE'S MUCH LESS FOOTPRINT, IF I CAN USE THAT TERM FOR A MOMENT, VIA DRONE THAN THERE IS THE, THE KIA OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLE THAT Y'ALL ARE CURRENTLY USING. IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? MAY I PRO PRETEND THAT IS AND FOR PACKAGES FIVE POUNDS OR LESS. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A REMINDER, WE STILL NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEP. UH, AND I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO, UH, IF WE DO HAVE A MOTION, UH, MAYOR, I WOULD MAKE THE, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. I WOULD SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? RIGHT. HEARING NONE. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, UNANIMOUSLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, SO I WOULD LOVE TO START HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR. I LOVE THE IDEA OF AMAZON DRONE DELIVERIES. I THINK IT'S AN INEVITABLE FUTURE. I PERSONALLY WOULD PROBABLY USE IT, UH, ON A A PERSONAL LEVEL. SO ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, I LOVE IT. UM, I, PRIOR TO TEACHING, I WAS IN RETAIL AND THEY'RE THE WORLD'S SECOND LARGEST RETAILER. I USED TO SELL TO THE LARGEST RETAILER IN THE WORLD. AND, UM, I, I LOVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN RETAIL. I, I THINK IT'S GREAT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE MAIN CONCERNS. UH, I'M NOT TOO, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK AROUND THE TECHNOLOGY, A LOT OF TALK AROUND NOISE, UH, NAVIGATION, PRIVACY ISSUES. I'M NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT CONCERNS, BUT THOSE ARE NOT DECIDING FACTORS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, ANSWERED. AND HE'S, THE APPLICANT DID A HECK OF A JOB EXPLAINING THOSE. UM, I KNOW THERE WAS SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO QUESTIONED ABOUT AROUND METHODIST, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS HANDLED. UM, SOME OF MY CONCERNS AROUND, THERE'S A LOT OF REFERENCE TO F THE FAA AND TO BE HONEST, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE FA ON A, ON A FEDERAL LEVEL RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE ALL THEIR CUTS. UM, AND WHILE THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK AROUND THE MK 30, I DON'T THINK, I THINK AS TECHNOLOGY PROGRESSES, THE SOUND WILL, WILL ACTUALLY, UH, BECOME LESS AS FUTURE GENERATIONS COME OUT. UM, AND I SUSPECT THEY'RE GONNA BE SMALLER. JUST THAT'S HOW TECHNOLOGY GENERALLY GOES QUIETER AND SMALLER. UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THEY WOULD COME OUT WITH A BIGGER, LOUDER, UH, DRONE. UM, BUT MY MAIN CONCERNS ARE AROUND WHAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE MENTIONED EARLIER AROUND THE SUNSET RULE. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF, IF THIS WERE TO PASS, UM, A LOT MORE, UH, I GUESS, UH, TIE TO A TIME. UM, BUT MY BIG CONCERN IS AROUND THE ZONING, MAKING A PERMANENT, UM, DECISION THAT WILL FOREVER STAY THERE AROUND ZONING IS NOT THE WAY I THINK WE SHOULD APPROACH IT AS A COUNCIL. UM, I REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, OTHER FACILITY THAT WAS APPROVED RECENTLY, UM, WE, I MADE THE COMMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO TAKE TIME AS A CITY TO KIND OF DISCUSS HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH DRONES. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS SMART TO HAVE THAT COUNCIL, UH, DISCUSSION AND KIND OF MAYBE PUT TOGETHER A POLICY OR KIND OF LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND NOT JUST AS A CASE BY CASE BASIS. UM, BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN THERE IS THAT WE'RE MAKING A PERMANENT DECISION THAT WILL LIVE LONG PAST AMAZON AND NOT THAT AMAZON IS GOING ANYWHERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, UM, THEY, THEY WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GROW. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THEY'VE, BUT WITH THAT SAID, AND THERE WAS REFERENCE TO HOW MUCH INVESTMENT IS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THAT SAID IN THE, IN THE CPC MEETING, UH, OR IN, IN THE, IN THE MEETING IT CAME OUT THAT, UM, THEY WERE LEASING THE SPACE. AMAZON MAKES OVER A MILLION DOLLARS A MINUTE. AND WHILE THEY'VE INVESTED IN SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY'RE STILL LEASING. UM, AND, AND THAT, TO BE HONEST, KIND OF BOTHERS ME A BIT THAT THEY, THEY HAVEN'T BOUGHT INTO OUR CITY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT BOTHERS ME, ME, BUT IT DOES. UM, [04:30:01] AND I FEEL LIKE YES, THERE'S BEEN SOME INVESTMENT THERE, BUT THE REALITY IS WE'RE STUCK WITH IT AND THEY COULD EASILY MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, PART OF ME IS KIND OF CONCERNED THE FLIGHT, BUT THE REALITY IS IF THEY WERE TO MOVE RIGHT UP THE ROAD IN PLANO OR EAST OF GARLAND, THEY CAN STILL FLY INTO RICHARDSON WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION. SO WE HAVE ZERO SAY, ONCE THEY LEAVE THE GROUND AND IT, AND THAT GOES FOR THE OTHER CITIES, THEY WOULD HAVE ZERO SAY ONCE THEY LEAVE THE GROUND. SO THEY CAN STILL FLY IN. RICHARDSON. NOTHING, NOTHING WE DECIDE HERE WILL, WILL AFFECT THAT. UH, BUT I AM, I AM CONCERNED WITH, WITH, UH, HOW, SO I GUESS TO, TO ME, MY OBJECTION IS MORE ON HOW WE AS COUNSEL AND OUR POLICY AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT DRONE CASES, HOW THIS IS COMING AS A ZONING CASE VERSUS, UH, SPECIAL USE. UM, AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M LEANING, UH, TO VOTE ON THIS COUNCIL MEMBER. SIMMEL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW. THAT'S WHY WE ARE ALL WORRIED ABOUT AT THIS TIME, WORRY ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING NEW AND THIS IS JUST A HUMAN NATURE. UH, BUT THIS IS COMING. I MEAN, WHETHER WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT OR NOT, THIS IS COMING AND, UH, WE STOP IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORING CITY NOW VERSUS IF WE APPROVE IT, THIS IS GONNA BE FLYING FROM HERE TO THE NEIGHBORING CITY. SO, AND THE, THE SKY IS GONNA GET CROWDED MORE THAN WHAT WE SEE TODAY. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN STOP IT RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ABOUT THE TIMING, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT. WE GET DELIVERY FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING FROM AMAZON. NOW IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN HAVE THAT DOOR DASH, YOU CAN DELIVER LIKE 12 O'CLOCK, UH, FROM SOME OTHER CITY THEY DELIVER. SO, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR, YOU KNOW, RING BILL THAT MAKES BIG NOISE IN YOUR HOUSE. SO, BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE LOSING CONTROL ON, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR OWN PROPERTY. SO, BUT I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN MANAGE IT, TRANSITION THE WAY WE CAN HANDLE IT. SO AS LONG, AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO, THE STREETS ARE ALL CROWDED. IT WAS NOT LIKE THAT EVEN FEW YEARS AGO. SO IT'S GONNA GET MORE CROWDED. SO MY OPINION, WE JUST NEED TO SEE HOW WE CAN MANAGE IT, CONTROL IT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SMOOTH TRANSITION AND, BUT ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THE CONTROL. I THINK THE TIME IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, LIMIT THE TIME SHORT TERM. WE CAN DO THAT FOR CERTAIN YEARS AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY CAN COME BACK AND SEE IF IT WORKS. THEN WE CAN GIVE THEM BIGGER WINDOW. SO, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AND ALSO I, I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE DRONE, BUT AGAIN, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE, I THINK THE MAXIMUM, THEY CAN GO CERTAIN SIZE ABOUT DRONE SIZE, THEY CAN FLY INTO THE PROPERTY AND FLY OUT OF THE PROPERTY AND, UH, BUT THEY HAVE TO NAVIGATE THIS THING WITH OTHER SUB DELIVERY, YOU KNOW, WALMART OR SOME, SOMEONE ELSE. I'M SURE FAA WILL MANAGE THAT PROBABLY HOW TO PRIORITIZE THAT ROUTE AND ALL THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR JOB. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE TRUST THEM OR NOT. IT'S UP TO US. BUT END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT THEY, THEY DO. SO WE HAVE TO RELY ON THEM. CONSIDERING ALL THIS, I THINK I WOULD GO FOR, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS, YOU KNOW, I FEEL NERVOUS ABOUT SOMETHING NEW. I SAID, I THINK THIS IS NORMAL, BUT, UH, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, THAT'S SOMETHING COMING IN. I THINK IF IT IS IN OUR AREA, WE CAN CONTROL IT. AT LEAST FOR THE SHORT TERM, THE TIME. I WOULD PUT LIMIT TIME. YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THEY LIKE TO HAVE BIGGER WINDOWS. I WOULD NOT MIND GIVING THEM BIGGER WINDOWS IN THE FUTURE IF ALL GOES FINE. BUT SHORT TERM, I WOULD GIVE A LIMITED, UH, TIMEFRAME AND THEN ALLOW IT. I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL THE NUMBER OF FLIGHT. IF WE COULD. I WOULD EVEN CONTROL THE NUMBER OF FLIGHT FOR SHORT TERM AND NO FLIGHT ZONE. UH, I THINK, UH, IF THE BUSINESSES THEY CAN CHOOSE, THAT IS A NO FLY ZONE FOR THEM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK THE HOSPITAL CAN DO IT, I GUESS. UH, AND SOME OTHER THING, OTHER PROPERTY, IF THERE'S HIGH VALUE PROPERTY, THEY CAN DO THE SIMILAR, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY CAN DO IT. SO, AND THE FAA DEFINITELY THEY HAVE THEIR NO FLY ZONE. THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN CHANGE THOSE THING. AND, UH, YOUR DRONE IS NOT JUST NOT GOING TO FLY INTO THOSE AREA. UNDERSTOOD. SO SAFETY, I, I'M GREAT WITH THAT. BUT ANYWAY, TO ME, I THINK WITH THAT, WITH LIMITED TIME, I WOULD, I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT IT. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, MY THOUGHTS ARE REALLY BRIEF. I THINK WHETHER IT'S NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA APPROVE THESE WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN REGULATE IS [04:35:01] WHAT'S ON THE GROUND. AND THAT'S JUST SUCH A BRIEF, A BRIEF PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE UNCERTAINTY JUST HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE LIVE WITH, UM, WITH THESE CASES. SOMETHING THAT I WAS REALLY LOOKING AT DURING THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION, I KNOW DURING THE CBC MEETING, COMMISSIONER KELLER, UM, WAS REALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS FROM THAT MEETING. AND IN THE MONTHS BETWEEN THAT MEETING AND NOW, I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT, UH, AMAZON HAS COME BACK AND REALLY, UM, THEY HAD BETTER ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS IN THIS MEETING THAN THEY DID TO THE CPCS QUESTIONS DURING THE CP C MEETING. AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THEM COMING, UM, PREPARED FOR, FOR A MEETING WITH US HERE. UM, AND, AND SO THAT REALLY SWAYS ME IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I'M GONNA REALLY, I'M NOT A YES YET, AND I'M JUST WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE OPINIONS ON SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, PARTICULARLY, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM. 'CAUSE I KNOW HE, HE MENTIONED IN PASSING THAT HE ACTUALLY ATTENDED ONE OF THE PUBLIC SESSIONS, I THINK, AND SO, AND, AND IT'S ON HIS ROUTE TO WORK. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR KIND OF THAT OPINION AS WELL IN THAT EXPERIENCE. MAYOR PRO, TIM HUTCHIN. RAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. I GUESS IT SADDENS ME THAT YOU DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE FAA. UM, I'M, I'M JUST BEING, I'M JUST BEING HONEST. I'M NOT, I'M NOT PICKING, PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT ANY ANYWAY, NATE, THAT I'M BEING NEGATIVE. I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING AS A, I'M A LICENSED PILOT. I'VE FLOWN HUNDREDS OF HOURS IN THE AIR, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM. UM, I WILL TELL YOU, OUT OF ANY COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD, IT'S ONE OF THE SAFEST, UM, IF NOT THE SAFEST, UM, THE RIGOROUS STANDARDS THAT THE FAA HAVE. UM, I'D LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU SOMEDAY AND GO OVER ALL OF THOSE. UM, THEY DON'T, THE FAA, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S ALL THE CONVERSATION ABOUT NEWARK AND THE PRESS HAS GOTTEN A HOLD AHOLD OF IT AND HAS JUST BLOWN IT UP ONE SIDE AND DOWN THE OTHER. UM, BUT I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT TO DATE, THERE'S BEEN NO, NO CRASHES AT NEWARK, WHICH IS A, I THINK A TESTAMENT TO THE CONTROLLERS AND THE OTHERS WHO WORK WITHIN THE FAA SYSTEM. SO, UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, THAT THE RIGOROUS STANDARDS THAT ANY PILOT, ANY, UM, PART 1 21, 1 35, 1 0 5, ANY OF THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE THAT, THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND BECOME CER CER, UM, LICENSED, WHETHER THAT BEING A PILOT OR AN ACTUAL SERVICE, UM, ARE INCREDIBLY INTENSE. UM, AND SO I, AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY. I, I FEEL BAD THAT YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CONFIDENCE BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU THAT HAVING LIVED AND BREATHED IN, IN THE FAA SYSTEM, NOT AS A PART OF THE FAA, BUT AS A PILOT, I, I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THEM. UM, I DID GO TO THE, I DID GO TO THE PUBLIC PUBLIC MEETING. UM, IT WAS AT, UM, IT, A LOFT. UM, MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THERE, QUITE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS WERE THERE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE ACTUAL SESSION, UM, THIS AREA, AND I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 15 YEARS, BUT I WENT BACK AND DID THE RESEARCH. THIS AREA HAS ALWAYS BEEN ZONED COMMERCIAL. IT'S NEVER BEEN ZONED ANYTHING, BUT IT, IT, IT'S NEVER BEEN RESIDENTIAL. IT'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING. UM, THE, THE, THE BRECKENRIDGE ITSELF IS SET UP TO HANDLE COMMERCIAL. IT'S SET UP TO BE A COMMERCIAL AREA. UM, AMAZON CAME IN, UM, I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THE, WHEN THE VOTE CAME IN FOR THEM TO BE ZONED. UM, I'LL TELL YOU BACK, I GUESS THAT'S BEEN NOW, WHAT, SEVEN YEARS AGO, APPROXIMATELY. THEY FORESHADOWED WHERE THEY WERE, WHERE THEY WERE HEADED. AND THEY DID MENTION THAT SOMEDAY WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY GOT THERE AND WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE, UM, DRONES WOULD BE THERE. UM, PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE TAKEN A VERY STRONG LOOK AT TRYING TO DETERMINE, UM, DRONE AND DRONE SERVICE, UM, INCLUDING TWO, UM, TWO MARES AGO, UM, MADE VERY STRONG COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. WE NEEDED TO LOOK TO THE IDEA OF AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES AND AUTONOMOUS, UM, ACTUAL, UM, I'LL USE THE WORDS PEOPLE MOVERS. AND THAT WHEN WE CONSIDERED, UM, SOME OF OUR, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THROUGH THE OTHER AREAS, WE NEEDED TO STRONGLY CONSIDER ABOUT HAVING AREAS WHERE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THEM, LYFTS OR, OR UBERS OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER SERVICE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THAT THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE SPACE DEDICATED TO A LANDING AREA FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE VEHICLES. SO, UM, AS MUCH AS I THINK THAT, THAT THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF NEWNESS TO THIS DRONE, IT'S BEEN CONTEMPLATED BY THIS, BY A COUNCIL, UM, IN RICHARDSON FOR AT LEAST THE SEVEN YEARS THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, AND I THINK EVEN PRIOR TO THAT, UM, I, I SEE THIS AS SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS. NUMBER ONE IS, UM, AS [04:40:01] I MENTIONED, I TRAVEL THIS ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY, UM, AT LEAST TWO TIMES A DAY, IF NOT MORE. THE NUMBER OF, UH, KIAS THAT ARE GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ARE BEING INVOLVED, THAT ARE CREATING ON THERE ARE, ARE, ARE ADDING VERY MUCH TO OUR TRAFFIC. IT'S ADDING TO OUR OVERALL UTILIZATION OF OUR ROADS ALL OVER OUR CITY. UM, IN MY MIND, IF A DRONE CAN SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, GOING 70 MILES AN HOUR, A TOTAL, I MEAN, IF YOU GO, IF IT WENT ALL THE WAY OUT SEVEN AND A HALF MILES, IT'D BE ROUGHLY, UM, IF I DO THE MATH CORRECTLY, IT WOULD BE 12 MINUTES AND 52 SECONDS WORTH OF FLIGHT TIME. THAT IS SO MUCH SHORTER THAN THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE FROM EVERY KIA. UM, THESE ARE ELECTRIC MOTORS IF YOU WANT TO TALK ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO POLLUTION AS COMPARED TO THE KIAS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GAS OPERATED. UM, SO WE HAVE THAT FACTOR TO TAKE INTO AS WELL. AND I KNOW SUSTAINABILITY IS A VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR TO ALL OF US ON, ON COUNCIL AS WELL. UM, SO AS I LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, THE IMPACT FROM, FROM THE KIAS, FROM, FROM HAVING THE AMAZON THERE ONTO THE VARIOUS ROADWAYS MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AS COMPARED TO DRONES. UM, I DON'T, I I DON'T SEE THE, THE, I GUESS I'LL SAY THE, THE CONCERNS AND SOME OF THE, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THIS EVENING. I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THE DECIBELS OVERALL INCREDIBLY LOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY LOW AS COMPARED TO OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IN THE CITY. AND WE HAVE ALREADY, FROM A, FROM A NOISE PERSPECTIVE IN THE CITY. UM, THE, THE UPS TRUCKS THAT WE HAVE DELIVER IN OUR, IN OUR CER IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW ARE, ARE MUCH ABOVE THE, THE 60 DECIBELS. UM, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DELIVER FEDEX, SAME WAY. SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN COME IN, BE IT 60TH DECIBELS CAN BE, CAN COME IN, MAKE A DELIVERY, FLY BACK OUT AND, AND HAVE A, A LITERALLY, UM, 12 OR, UH, 10 SECONDS OR LESS OVER A HOUSE AND ARE, AND ARE BACK OUT AND ARE FLYING AT, UM, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET UP AT, UM, AT 70 MILES AN HOUR, CAN GET IN, GET OUT. UM, I THINK THAT'S SUCH AN, A HUGE IMPACT FOR SO MANY REASONS, INCLUDING, UM, AS I LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF KIAS THAT ARE RUNNING AROUND RIGHT NOW. UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THAT FROM, FROM AROSE IN ALL THOSE AREAS, I THINK IS, IS, IS HUGE. SO AS I LOOK AT IT, I THINK, I THINK I AGREE WITH, UM, COUNCILMAN SHA THAT THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS MUCH A A, UM, IT, IT'S NOT AN IF IT'S A WIN. AND I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET IN, IN FRONT OF THIS AND BE A PART OF THE, UM, OVERALL, UM, ZONING PROCESS, I THINK WE, WE SHOULD APPROVE IT. UM, MY VOTE WILL BE YES TONIGHT. I, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS WITH THE TIMEFRAME. I, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, RATHER THAN BEING 6:00 PM I WAS THINKING PERSONALLY MAYBE 8:00 PM BECAUSE THEN THAT ALLOW, I CAN'T TALK, SORRY, ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GET HOME, GET THE CHANCE TO HAVE THE DELIVERY. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE PERSON IS NOT GOING TO BED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY, THAT TWO HOUR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS KIND OF BEING BAN BANED AROUND A LITTLE BIT WAS THE 7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM I THINK IF WE WENT SEVEN TO TO 8:00 PM JUST SO WE ALLOW THAT, BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK IT DOES PRO, I THINK IT PROVIDES FOR A, A, A BETTER, UM, SYSTEM, IF YOU WILL, UM, ALLOWING THE PACKAGE TO BE, UH, DELIVERED WHEN THE PEOPLE, WHEN THE, WHEN, WHEN THE CUSTOMER, IF YOU WILL, IS AT HOME, I THINK IS A, IT IS A BETTER PROPOSITION THAN HAVING IT JUST BE DROPPED AT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TIME OF THE DAY AND THEN SITTING OUT IN SOMEBODY'S FRONT YARD. AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE POLICE INTERACTION AT THAT POINT. 'CAUSE SOMEBODY WILL PROBABLY WALK BY PICK TO THE BOX AND, AND, AND TAKE OFF WITH IT. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF ALL OF MY THOUGHTS. UM, BUT I, BUT I, I THINK, UH, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'M A, I'M A YES AND WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THIS APPROVED TONIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN. THANK YOU. I'VE, UH, LI I'VE READ ALL THE COMMENTS. I'VE, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC, I'VE ALSO, UH, STOOD QUIET FOR A WHILE. I WANTED TO LISTEN TO, UH, THE PUBLIC AS WELL, UH, HERE. AND I WANTED TO LISTEN TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST TO GET SOME INPUT AND GET AND, AND SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE SAM BAILEY, UH, HAS REPRESENTED THE PRODUCT WELL WITH AMAZON. UH, AMAZON OBVIOUSLY IS A, UH, A GOOD STAKEHOLDER FOR RICHARDSON. AND I'M, I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S INEVITABLE THAT THIS AIR TRAFFIC IS GOING TO SUCCEED AGAIN. I AGREE. IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN, AND I THINK THE PRECAUTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO FURTHER THIS, UH, I'M GLAD THEY'VE CHOSEN RICHARDSON FOR THIS. UH, IT'S, IT'S INEVITABLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC, UH, CONTROL, WHETHER IT BE UBER, TAXI, CAR TRAFFICKING, IT'S ALL GONNA, IT'S ALL GONNA TRANSPIRE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO I'M HAPPY THAT WE ARE PART OF THE INNOVATIVE TERRITORY, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN CHOSEN. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I'M [04:45:01] GOING TO SUPPORT IT. UH, I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PUT A TIMELINE ON IT. I DO, I I, I THINK THE SEVEN TO EIGHT ACTUALLY IS A GOOD TIMELINE. I'D PREFER SOMEONE TO BE AT THEIR RESIDENCE WHEN THE PACKAGE IS BEING DELIVERED. SO IT'S NOT JUST DELIVERED WHEREVER THE, WHEREVER THE, THE RED POINT IS. 'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE RED POINT'S GOING TO BE. UH, IT COULD BE IN THE BACKYARD, THE FRONT YARD, THE DRIVEWAY, WE DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'LL ELIMINATE PACKAGES GETTING STOLEN AND ALLOWED THE PACK JUST TO BE, UH, COLLECTED VERY QUICKLY. SO, UH, THERE ARE SO MANY MORE POSITIVE THINGS, AND I RESPECT EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL'S OPINION TONIGHT. I REALLY DO. BUT AGAIN, I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS INEVITABLE AND I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THIS. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. THANK YOU. UM, AS I INDICATED SORT OF EARLY ON IN MY QUESTIONS TO STAFF, I'VE REALLY BEEN ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK, BUT, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE AND, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DISCUSSION AND ALL THAT. I AGREE WHOLLY WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S COMING, WHETHER IT'S HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT'S COMING. PERIOD. I GET THAT. I THINK, UM, UH, I AGREE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GET ON BOARD WITH IT AT SOME POINT. UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THE COMPLETE LACK OF RECOURSE. I WISH WE HAD SORT OF FOUND A WAY, UM, TO, TO GET COMFORTABLE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO AROUND IT. UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY A HUNDRED PERCENT AND I UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS, UM, PERSPECTIVE FROM THAT, UH, COMPLETELY. UM, SO I AGREE, BOY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, LIKE WILL LIKELY GET APPROVED, BUT IF IT WERE TO GET DENIED IT, YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY SURE IT WOULD WIND UP IN GARLAND OR PLANO AND THEY WOULD BE COMING TO US ANYWAY. UM, SO THE, THE SOLE REASON I'M REALLY VOTING, UM, NO TONIGHT IS THAT I JUST, ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT WE ARE A SORT OF TECHNOLOGY FORWARD FACING COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA BE, AND THAT'S HOW WE REPRESENT OURSELVES, I FEEL JUST A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE THAT THERE'S NO RECOURSE HERE. WE'RE PROVIDING THOSE ZONING AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, UM, BEYOND THAT. UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S THE, THE ONE HURDLE I CAN'T, CAN'T GET OVER. OTHERWISE, I THINK THAT, THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO HAVE IN RICHARDSON. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY STRUGGLE TONIGHT. SO I, I'LL HAVE TO VOTE. NO S SO, UM, COUNSEL, I, I DEFINITELY WANNA SHARE MY THOUGHTS AND, AND MAYBE THIS WILL BE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND MAYBE IT HELPS OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T. UM, I'VE KNOCKED ON EVERY SINGLE DOOR IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT BESIDE WHERE THIS IS, AND I CAN TELL YOU DOOR TO DOOR, PERSON TO PERSON, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN THERE. UM, THIS COULD YES, COME FROM SOME OTHER CITY, UH, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IT COMING FROM ANOTHER CITY LIKELY, AND I CAN'T, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT LOCATION IN THE OTHER CITY, BUT FROM HERE, YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE THE ROOFTOPS OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU'RE CREATING A FLIGHT PATH RIGHT? OVER, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND IF YOU'RE IN THOSE HOMES, IN THOSE PARTS OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH AND LIVING WITH OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UM, I ALSO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT AT THIS POINT, THERE ARE THREE, I BELIEVE THREE CITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING THIS AT ANY VOLUME. SO WE ARE VERY MUCH, UH, I'VE SAID THIS ONCE BEFORE ON THE BLEEDING EDGE. IF WE DECIDE TO TAKE THE RISK AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I AM ASSUMING, HOPEFULLY IT'S A SAFE ASSUMPTION THAT IF WE DID DELAY THIS, IF WE DID DECIDE THAT WE WANTED TO SAY NO FOR NOW, BUT THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER IT ONCE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE GOT SAN ANTONIO, RIGHT? SO THERE'S GONNA BE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MORE FLIGHTS AND, AND, AND LEARNINGS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CONSUME. BUT BEING THE THIRD OR FOURTH CITY WITH SOMETHING THAT'S COMING OUTTA THE AIR AT 70 MILES AN HOUR, ALL OF THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE FAA. SO THAT PART I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE LACK OF CONTROL. AND I HEAR IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM EACH OF YOU, EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE FOR IT OR KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF CONTROL. WHY ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT LACK OF CONTROL? BECAUSE WE ALL, A BUNCH OF US, A FEW OF US KNOW THAT THERE IS POTENTIALLY GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT REGRET. AND IF WE WAITED SIX MONTHS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT MANY MORE MONTHS, I THINK, OF DATA FROM OTHER CITIES THAT WOULD HELP US DETERMINE THAT THIS IS FULLY SAFE. OR BY THEN THEY HAVE A NEW VERSION OF THIS DRONE THAT'S EVEN MORE QUIET, THAT'S EVEN MORE SAFE, RIGHT? SO I JUST FROM MY OWN PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, LISTENING TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS, UM, THE CONCERN OR THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF IT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CARS, YOU KNOW, THESE DRONES ARE GONNA TAKE ONE AT A TIME AND THOSE CARS ARE TAKING PROBABLY A DOZEN OR MULTIPLE DOZEN PACKAGES AT A TIME. I'M ASSUMING I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PACKAGE DELIVERY WORKS. AND THE TECHNOLOGY ON A CAR [04:50:01] IS MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS OF PROVEN TECHNOLOGY, WHEREAS THESE DRONES AND THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF DELIVERY, IT'S, IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT KIND. SO I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE, I'LL SAY THIS LAST PART, I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE THE OTHER DAY WHO LIVES NEXT TO A ROAD THAT IS A LOT MORE BUSY TODAY THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. AND THEY WERE TALKING TO ME ABOUT HOW LOUD THAT CONSTANT TRAFFIC IS AND IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO, RIGHT? NOBODY FORESAW THAT WE WERE GONNA CREATE A FLIGHT PATH OVER THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IT'S A DIFFERENCE IF THE FLIGHT, IF YOU ARE RIGHT BESIDE LOVE FIELD AND THE FLIGHT PATH IS OVER YOU VERSUS YOU HAPPEN TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE METROPLEX AND THOSE SAME PLANES FLY OVER YOUR CITY, THE FREQUENCY, THE NUMBER OF TIMES, ALL THOSE THINGS, IT'S ALL DIFFERENT. SO WE'RE CREATING FLIGHT PATHS AND ESSENTIALLY A, YOU KNOW, AIRPORT OF THESE DRONES. UM, THE LAST PART I WANNA SAY HERE IS RIGHT, WE COULDN'T DETERMINE THE BATTERY SET. WE COULDN'T SAY BATTERY. WHY? BECAUSE IT COULD BE FUEL TOMORROW. IT COULD BE SOME TOTALLY OTHER KIND OF FUEL, I SHOULD SAY. IT COULD BE PROPANE, IT COULD BE GAS, IT COULD BE ANYTHING. WE CAN'T REGULATE THAT WE SAY THAT WE MIGHT WANNA REGULATE THE TIME, EXCEPT MAYBE WHAT HAPPENS IS TOMORROW THEY SAY, HEY, FAA TRUMPS ALL. AND AS LONG AS THEY'VE GOT APPROVED FLIGHT PATHS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEN THEY CAN FLY WHENEVER THE HECK WE TELL YOU TO. AND LOCAL CONTROL DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE WAY DIRECTION IS GOING, SO IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT IT'LL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM US THAN IT IS SOMETHING THEY'LL GIVE US. SO I, I, FOR ONE, AM GONNA BE AGAINST IT JUST BECAUSE OF ALL OF THAT, UH, INFORMATION THAT I JUST SHARED. UM, I SAW THAT A LIGHT CAME ON. SO COUNCIL MEMBER RIOS, UH, BARRIOS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, JUST WANTED A STATEMENT PER YEAH, I HAVE A STATEMENT. I WANNA PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION. 'CAUSE MY NAME WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. MY COMMENT EARLIER WAS NOT TOWARDS TRUSTING THE FAA IN THE SENSE OF THE EMPLOYEES. I DO HAVE FRIENDS WHO ARE COMMERCIAL PILOTS. I USED TO FLY OVER A HUNDRED FLIGHTS A YEAR WITH MY PREVIOUS CAREER. THAT WAS MORE TOWARDS, UH, CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR CUTS, UH, ON THE DEPARTMENT AND THE UNFORESEEN FUTURE. FAIR ENOUGH. UNDERSTOOD. ALRIGHT, I SEE A LIGHT ON. SO, UH, MAYOR, PRO TEM, UH, HUTCHEN RIDER, JUST, JUST A CLARIFICATION AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I BELIEVE DON SAID IT EARLIER, MARY, YOU SAID THAT IF WE DELAYED SIX MONTHS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AFFORDED THAT OPPORTUNITY. IF, IF WE DENIED IT WOULD BE A FULL YEAR, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S NOT A, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHETHER IT'S WITH OR WITHOUT, UM, PREJUDICE, PREJUDICE, PREJUDICE, IT, IT DELAYS IT A FULL YEAR BECAUSE THERE IS NO, UM, THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION THAT THEY COULD BRING BACK. RIGHT. IT WOULD'VE TO BE A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT TO BE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD BY YOU AGAIN WITHIN A YEAR. RIGHT? RIGHT. IF IF WE DENY IT. IF YOU DENY IT. YES, SIR. RIGHT? SO IT, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE MATTER OF A, OF A SIX MONTH, UH, DENIAL. UM, IS THAT IN OUR TOOL CHEST? ARE, ARE WE ABLE TO NOT DENY IT? AND, BUT I SUPPOSE A CONTINUANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE WOULD BE YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO SUGGESTING YES SIR. IT WOULD'VE TO BE CONTINUED TO DATE SPECIFIC. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE JUST FOR THE, THE ONLY PATH FORWARD HERE WHERE THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE BROUGHT BACK IN LESS THAN A YEAR WOULD BE IF IT WAS WITHDRAWN, IF IT, IF THE APPLICANT WITH, I'M SORRY, CONTINUE FOR SIX MONTHS OR CAN CONTINUE. WELL, YEAH. ARE WE ABLE TO CONTINUE IT FOR SIX MONTHS, HYPOTHETICALLY? YEAH. I, I'M SEEING IN A POSSIBLE, NO, YEAH. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S BEEN CONTINUED TWICE. THIS IS THE THIRD. THIS IS, IT'S BEEN CONTINUED TWICE ALREADY, RIGHT? TWICE SO FAR. SO, WELL IT WAS CLARIFICATION. IT WAS, IT WAS A JOINT, IT WAS A JOINT DECISION THE SECOND TIME. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, MAYOR, IF, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WHETHER IT, FAIR ENOUGH, WHETHER IT GOES OR NOT, PLEASE DO. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, ZONING FILE 25 DASH FOUR WITH THE AMENDMENT OF FLIGHT OPERATIONS TO BE FROM 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM UM, AND ALLOW THE, THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE FOR MODIFICATION OF THE 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM UPON PROVING UPON, UH, PROVING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR SERVICE, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY I COULD SAY THAT. ALRIGHT, I'VE HEARD A MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER HUMMEL, I'LL SECOND IT. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? UH, COULD I? YES, SIR. UM, MAYOR, JUST, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE HOUR. SO, UH, MAYOR I PRO, SO IT'S 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM WILL BE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT COULD YOU REPEAT THE SECOND PART? HE WANTS THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK IF THEY, UH, IF THEY PROVE THEMSELVES WORTHY THROUGH [04:55:01] A ZONING PROCESS. THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS. OKAY. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. UH, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN WRITER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I THINK I SAW COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER SHASU IN FAVOR, UM, MYSELF, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS AGAINST, RIGHT? YES SIR. WE SHALL MOVE ON TO ITEM. I'M SORRY, THE ITEM PASSES. UM, FOUR THREE. UM, I'LL [9. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 25-08, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING TO GRANT MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, ADOPTING A CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT “B” AND CONCEPT ELEVATIONS ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT “C” FOR 0.47 ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SPRING VALLEY ROAD AND EAST OF WATERFALL WAY.] MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING. I ITEM NUMBER NINE, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH EIGHT AND CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING TO GRANT MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, ADOPTING A CONCEPT PLAN AND CONCEPT ELEVATIONS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SPRING VALLEY ROAD AND EAST OF WATERFALL WAY. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR DEREK IS GONNA STAFF THIS AGAIN FOR US AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. DE THANK YOU. THANKS. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR MAJOR MODIFICATIONS AT 1250 WEST SPRING VALLEY ROAD. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SPRING VALLEY ROAD. TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS AN ENCORE SUBSTATION. TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS A VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY IS A RECENTLY OCCUPIED PEDIATRICIAN'S CLINIC AND SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS SPRING VALLEY ROAD IS THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THAT IS A COMMERCIAL DE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO ACCOMMODATE A ONE STORY BUILDING AND A RESTAURANT. THIS SLIDE GOES OVER THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH DESIGNATES PLACE TYPES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TYPE. UM, THIS MAP SHOWS THE EXTENT OF THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR FROM COIT ROAD TO THE WEST 2 75 TO THE EAST, TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE ENVISION RICHARDSON FUTURE LAND USE PLAN LOOKS LIKE FOR THIS AREA. I'LL ALSO CALL OUT ON HERE, UH, FAR EAST ON SPRING VALLEY, UH, WHERE SPRING VALLEY MEETS 75. THERE IS A DESIGNATED AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED AS A REEN ENHANCEMENT AREA THAT WILL BE STUDIED FURTHER IN THE FUTURE. NOW DRILLING DOWN INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES TO THIS PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR. THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CODE WAS ADOPTED IN 2011. IT WAS ENVISIONED TO BE A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DISTRICT IN FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF USE IN ORDER TO ATTRACT ONGOING REINVESTMENT. THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN SUBDISTRICT G, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL ORIENTED CORNER WITH THE INTENTION TO PRESENT A UNIQUE OFFERING OF RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND SERVICES. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THIS SITE. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, BUT SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THIS WAS THIS LOCATION OF A SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH FOR MANY YEARS. UM, TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND, IN 2020, THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WITH THE INTENT TO DEVELOP A RESTAURANT IN AN OFFICE IN 2021. THEY SUBMITTED PLANS FOR THE REST FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A RESTAURANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR IN AN OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH WAS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CODE. THIS WAS THE CONCEPT PLAN, UM, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN 2021. UH, IN 2021, NOT ONLY DID WE RECEIVE A CONCEPT PLAN, WE RECEIVED ELEVATIONS AND A FULL SET OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED IN 2021 BECAUSE IT CONFORMED WITH THE CODE ENTIRELY. UH, SO THE PLAN THAT THEY'VE PRESENTED TODAY IS LARGELY SIMILAR. HOWEVER, THE ONLY CHANGES ARE THEY ARE PROVIDING AN ADDITI, THEY'RE PROVIDING A DRIVEWAY DIVIDER AS A SAFETY MEASURE TO LIMIT TRAFFIC TO WRITE IN AND WRITE OUT. ONLY THERE WILL ALSO BE THE INSTALLATION OF A NO U-TURN SIGN. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHANGES TO THE SITE SINCE IT WAS APPROVED IN 2021. SOME OTHER FEATURES OF THE SITE, UM, I'LL MENTION IS THE BUILDING IN TOTAL IS PROPOSED TO BE 4,100 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S WHAT THE 3,100 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. THERE WILL BE A DUMPSTER ON SITE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. THERE WILL BE A PATIO ON THE EAST OF THE BUILDING THAT'S SHOWN IN YELLOW. UH, THE SITE HAS ONE DRIVEWAY AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THAT DRIVEWAY IS CONNECTED TO A SHARED MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT THAT CIRCULATES THROUGH TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND THEN TO THE NORTH. SO THAT ACCESS EASEMENT PROVIDES CIRCULATION AND, UH, CONNECTION TO SPRING VALLEY TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST. [05:00:02] THE APPLICANT, KEN IS REQUESTING THE FOLLOWING TWO MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE CODE. THEY'RE REQUESTING A ONE STORY BUILDING. SO IN THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CODE, ALL NEW BUILDINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE A MINIMUM OF TWO STORIES IN THIS SUBDISTRICT G AND IT'S REQUIRED TO BE A MINIMUM OF TWO STORIES AND A MAXIMUM OF FOUR STORIES ALSO WITHIN THE SPRING VALLEY CODE. THESE BUILDINGS, UH, ARE UM, REQUIRED TO OFFER A MIX OF USES. SO WHEN IT'S A MIXED USE BUILDING, IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE SECOND FLOOR. IN THIS CASE, IT'S CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO HAVE OFFICE ON THAT SECOND FLOOR. AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE A RESTAURANT USE ONLY IN THE LOCATION. A MAJOR MODIFICATION IS A TOOL WITHIN THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CODE THAT ENABLES THE CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR DISCRETION TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO THE CODE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THERE IS A LIST OF MINOR MODIFICATIONS WITHIN THE CODE THAT THE CITY STAFF CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE, BUT THESE TWO REQUESTS GO BEYOND THAT LIST OF MINOR MODIFICATIONS. THESE ARE THE SAME ELEVATIONS APPROVED IN 2021. SO THE EXTERIOR STILL LOOKS THE SAME. IT STILL APPEARS AS IF IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. IT'S 34.5 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET. I'LL ALSO MENTION, UM, HERE, BACK ON THIS SLIDE THAT THEY WON'T BE PROVIDING TWO STORIES, BUT THEY WILL BE PROVIDING A MEZZANINE IN LIEU OF A SECOND STORY. AND THAT CAME ABOUT AFTER CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. UM, IN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BETTER MEET THE CODE AND TO PARTIALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE, THE, UH, APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT HAS ALSO INDICATED THAT, UM, IN THE FUTURE THAT MEZZANINE MAYBE COULD BE EXPANDED TO BE A TRUE TWO SECOND STORY. AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. ALSO, YOU SEE THERE'S A ROW OF WINDOWS ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM GIVEN THE APPEARANCE OF A TWO STORY BUILDING. THIS IS THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION MAP. SO THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY WERE NOTIFIED. SO IN ORANGE YOU SEE THAT WE DID RECEIVE WRITTEN OPPOSITION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTING 39.3% OF THE NOTICE AREA. SINCE THAT EXCEEDS 20% OF THE NOTICE AREA. THE COUNCIL, IF, UH, THE COUNCIL WERE TO VOTE TO AFFIRMATIVELY APPROVE THE REQUEST, THAT MUST BE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE. AT THE CPC MEETING, THE CPC VOTED SEVEN OH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. AT THAT MEETING, WE HAD THREE WRITTEN COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION AND ONE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION AT THE HEARING. AND FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE THE ZONING FILE IN ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED, OR YOU MAY APPROVE WITH A AMENDED CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALSO, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNES. THANK YOU MAYOR. MS. PETERS, UM, WHEN, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, UH, SLIGHT NUMBER EIGHT THAT SHOWS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF 30 FEET WITH TOTAL OF 34.5, DOES THAT HOLD THEM TO THE 30 FEET OR IS IT BECAUSE WE APPROVE IT AS A ONE STORY THAT HE'S ABLE TO ADJUST THAT? IS THIS PROPOSED OR IS THIS BECOME LAW PER SE? WHEN IF WE APPROVE THIS AT 30 FEET, THIS WILL BECOME LAW PER SE? IT WILL BE AN ATTACHMENT CONDITION OF THE MAJOR MODIFICATION AS SHOWN. OKAY. UM, SECOND, IS THERE ANY ABILITY, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS, UM, FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS OVERFLOW PARKING, USING THEIR PARKING LOT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANY, AND I CAN SEE WHERE PERHAPS ON A FRIDAY IF THERE'S A LOT OF WORK CREWS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE A TRUCK PULLING A TRAILER TYPE SITUATION CAN EASILY FILL THEIR PARKING LOT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE AS A CITY CAN DO TO SAY NO TRAILERS SO THAT THAT DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE? I'M JUST, I, I'M CONCERNED. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE REALLY IS, IS WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PROPERTY ISN'T OVERWHELMED BECAUSE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS WITH LAWN CREWS, UH, FILLING THEIR OWN PARKING LOT. MM-HMM . UM, WELL THE TRAILERS CANNOT PARK IN THIS DRIVEWAY. IT IS ALSO A FIRE LANE. SO THE CITY CAN ENFORCE THAT. UM, OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE REALLY ALL YOU SEE ON SITE IS FIRE LANE. THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK IF THEY'RE PARKING IN THE PARKING SPACE AND ENCROACHING ON THE FIRE LANE BEHIND THEM. WE COULD ENFORCE THAT. UH, AS FAR AS PARKING OFF SITE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT AS MUCH. BUT AS FAR AS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE EAST SIDE HERE, YOU KNOW, GOING VERTICALLY, THERE'S, IF A TRUCK WERE TO PULL IN THERE AND TAKE UP FIVE SPOTS, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE OWNER. MM-HMM . THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO SAY THAT WON'T BE ALLOWED. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA TAKE SIX SPOTS OR WHATEVER, FIVE SPOTS. [05:05:01] RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, THANK YOU. UM, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I I NOT YOU THERE WAS 38% OPPOSED IN THE 200, UM, YARD RADIUS IS WHAT, WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE ON THE OPPOSED, UH, BESIDES, BESIDES THE PARKING? I'M SURE THAT WAS PROBABLY NUMBER ONE. UH, WE HEARD SOME, UH, FEEDBACK ON PARKING, SOME TRASH BEING LEFT IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT'S A RESTAURANT. UM, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, I THINK THEY DID SEND, UM, COMMENTS IN, UH, THEY SENT IN TWO SETS OF COMMENTS, LET'S, FROM THOMASON. THEY SPECIFICALLY CITED, I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH CITED THEIR ISSUES. THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH SAID IT WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE AREA, UM, IN ONE OF THEIR COMMENTS. AND THEN THE, UM, THE PEDIATRIC CLINIC TO THE WEST HAD MORE, UM, CONCRETE CONCERNS. UM, THEY SAID, WELL, THEY HAVE INDEPENDENT ACCESS BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE CONSTANT DRIVING THROUGH OUR PARKING WHERE PARENTS AND CHILDREN ARE WALKING TO THE CLINIC. UM, WILL THEY BE USING OUR PARKING, UM, IF THEIR SIDE RUNS OUT? UM, THEIR CONCERNED ABOUT USING THEIR TRASH BINS. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IF THERE WOULD BE ALCOHOL AND THE EFFECTS WITH PEOPLE DRINKING IN THE PARKING LOTS. UM, AND THEN THEY WERE HOPING THAT THE CITY WOULD APPRECIATE THE EFFORT TO CREATE A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS OTHER THAN FOOD AND BEVERAGE. HMM. SO, AND THEY WILL BE SELLING ALCOHOL, FOOD AND ALCOHOL. I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. UM, YOU SAID THERE'S A DAYCARE CENTER OVER THERE TO THE, TO THE LEFT ON THIS, UM, ANY IDEA WHAT THE BUILDING IS RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPOSED AREA? IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS AN UNUSUAL ENTRANCE OFF OF WATER WATERFALL AWAY. AND I KNOW THAT'S, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE FOOTPRINT IS THERE, BUT, AND I KNOW THOSE ARE APARTMENTS THERE ON THE, ON THE CORNER. YEAH. THE, THIS BUILDING IS UNUSED RIGHT NOW. IT'S VACANT, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PART OF THE FOOTPRINT. AND, AND THEY DON'T OWN THAT BUILDING. CORRECT. THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, UH, SURVEY. ANOTHER PLAT. OKAY. MM-HMM . SO THERE'S NO FUTURE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE. NO. OKAY. MAYOR PRO, TOM HUTCHIN. RIDER. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE MEZZANINE? YES. THE MEZZANINE IS PROPOSED TO BE, IT'S ABOUT 900 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S GONNA BE OVERFLOW SEATING AREA FOR ADDITIONAL SEATING AREA FOR PATRONS. SO THAT'LL BE A UP ON THE SECOND STORY? YES. WELL, IT'S, IT'S NOT A SECOND STORY. IT'S A MEINE. WELL, I'M SORRY. IT'D A BE ABOVE THE FIRST LEVEL. I'M SORRY. YEAH, IT'LL, THANK YOU. IT'LL BE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE, THE LOW, THE LOWER LEVEL AND IT'LL OVERLOOK THE LOWER LEVEL. SO WILL THAT REQUIRE AN ELEVATOR AND NO, APPARENTLY A MEZZANINE DOES NOT. UH, IF IT'S JUST PROVIDING SECONDARY SPACE, IF THE PRIMARY OFFICES WERE UP THERE, THEN YOU WOULD, IF IT WAS A TRUE SECOND STORY WITH, UH, PROVIDED THAT NEEDS ACCESS AND TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO EVERYONE, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ELEVATOR IF IT WAS A TRUE SECOND STORY. SO, SO IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU AT THE BEGINNING, AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE LATE. IF THEY PROPOSED A TWO STORY BUILDING, LIKE WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, IT MET ALL THE, IT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, MET WHAT WE HAD ALREADY, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY COULD HAVE BUILT IT BY RIDE. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING? YES. IF IT WAS A SECOND STORY WITH AN OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL. OKAY. WOULD NOT REQUIRE, WOULD NOT, YEAH. I MEAN IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE, UM, RESIDENTIAL. IT COULD BE OFFICE RIGHT UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR. IT COULD BE. THAT IS AN OPTION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM . COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, DO YOU STILL HAVE A, OH, I'M SORRY. AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. ALRIGHT. SUPPOSE WE CAN LISTEN, HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. IT'S, IT'S STILL MONDAY, RIGHT? UM, SO, UH, MY NAME'S EDWIN SMITH. UM, I'M ADDRESS [05:10:01] 1 0 8 3 0 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY IN DALLAS. MY COMPANY IS EDWIN BRANTLEY SMITH AND ASSOCIATES. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. SO PRIMARILY THE REASON THAT WE'RE IN HERE IS THE, THE SITE IS VERY SMALL. SO WHEN WE GOT APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS RIGHT AFTER COVID. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ECONOMICALLY HITTING RESTAURANTS. UM, THE CLIENT HAS SEVERAL VERY SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANTS AROUND THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA. HE REALLY LIKES THIS SITE. THIS IS A WONDERFUL AREA. THIS IS REALLY, UH, MORE OF HIS CLIENTELE, UH, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY HISPANIC. UM, HE WANTS TO BUILD THIS BUILDING, BUT HE, HE DOESN'T NEED THE OFFICE SPACE THAT HE ORIGINALLY WAS GOING TO USE. WE FELT LIKE THAT BY COMING BACK, KEEPING THE BUILDING EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE MORE PARKING OR THE RESTAURANT USE. IT ALSO PROVIDES A MEZZANINE LEVEL THAT YOU COULD USE FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS. SO THEY COULD BE USED FOR THE COMMUNITY TO USE, TO HAVE MEETINGS, TO DISCUSS THINGS. UH, IT COULD BE OVERFLOW SPACE, IT COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A OFFICE SPACE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THIS. WE'RE ALSO DESIGNING THE BUILDING. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY BY NOT BUILDING A TRUE TWO STORY BUILDING. SO WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE STRUCTURE JUST LIKE IT IS SO THAT IN A FUTURE DATE THEY COULD COME BACK, PUT IN A METAL DECK, POUR CONCRETE, HAVE A TWO STORY BUILDING, PUT IN AN ELEVATOR AND SO FORTH. SO, UH, THE IDEA HERE IS TO, TO GET SOMETHING IN THIS AREA THAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. A RESTAURANT, WHICH IS AN ALLOWED USE. BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN APPROVED WITH THE DESIGN. UH, ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING IS REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE SECOND FLOOR TO AND CREATING A MEZZANINE. SO, UH, IT, ONE THING THAT, UH, ERICA DIDN'T POINT OUT WAS THAT WE, WE ALSO HAVE AN OUTDOOR PATIO THAT'S RIGHT ALONG SPRING VALLEY. SO THIS, EVERYTHING ABOUT THE DESIGN IS TEXTBOOK AS TO WHAT THE INTENT OF THE PD WAS ALL ABOUT. SO WE REALLY, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A NICE LITTLE MODERN BUILDING. UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REAL ASSET TO THE AREA. AND, UH, WE ARE BASICALLY, WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS COMPLETED. SO WE'RE BE READY TO SUBMIT FOR PERMIT, UH, WITHIN A FEW WEEKS IF YOU CHOOSE TO, UH, ALLOW US TO MAKE THIS VARIANCE TO THE, OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN. ANY QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP. I ASK. OH, I'M SORRY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHUL, UH, JUST A QUESTION I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT TO ERICA. PROBABLY SHE CAN ANSWER, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALK. IT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE, UH, CPC MEETING. SO CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT THING? THE FRONT SIDE SIDEWALK ALONG SPRING VALLEY? SURE. THE CONCEPT PLAN WILL SHOW THAT, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, WITH THE SITE BEING REDEVELOPED, THE STREETSCAPE WILL BE TRANSFORMED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STREET SCAPE IN THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CODE. SO THAT WILL BE AN ADDITION OF A 10 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE AMENITY AREA THAT WOULD BE PLANTED WITH STREET TREES AND A 12 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK THAT YOU SEE HERE. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE SAME AND HAS BEEN, YES. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND I JUST WANTED TO REPEAT THAT IN HERE. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, WE MAY CALL YOU RIGHT BACK UP, BUT, UH, THANK, IF YOU DON'T MIND HAVING A SEAT. MS. EMER, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? I HAVE NO SPEAKERS. MAYOR. UH, ANYONE WANNA SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, I FIGURED IF YOU WERE WAITING FOR THIS AND I APOLOGIZE. THIS, UH, SORRY. DO IT. OKAY. YEP, NO PROBLEM. SCOTT, RICK ANDMORE 9 2 3 BLUE LAKE CIRCLE. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR, I'M HERE TONIGHT IN OPPOSITION OF THIS REQUEST FOR MAJOR MODIFICATION. I OPPOSE THIS REQUEST IN PRINCIPLE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE VISION WE ONCE HAD FOR THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR. 15 YEARS AGO, [05:15:01] WE CAME TOGETHER AROUND A BOLD VISION TO TRANSFORM DECLINING AREA INTO A VIBRANT, WALKABLE, MIXED USE DISTRICT. THAT VISION WAS SHAPED BY THE COMMUNITY, BACKED BY SMART PLANNING AND CODIFIED AND INNOVATIVE ZONING. AND WHILE WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS, WE'VE FAILED TO FULLY EXECUTE THE PLAN. WE SAW POTENTIAL FOR A FUTURE FOR THIS PART OF RICHARDSON THAT WAS THOUGHTFUL AND CONNECTED AND INTENTIONAL. THIS ZONING REQUEST ISN'T REALLY PART OF THAT VISION, IT'S A WORKAROUND. QUITE FRANKLY. WE FAILED THE PROPERTY OWNER AS A CITY. WE CREATED A PLAN, THEN LEFT IT TO LANGUISH. SO YES, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE ASKING FOR EXCEPTIONS. HOWEVER, IT'S THESE INCREMENTAL EXCEPTIONS THAT CREATE A PATTERN OF COMPROMISE THAT ERODES THE INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL VISION UNTIL THERE'S NOTHING LEFT, BUT GOOD INTENTIONS AND MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE NOT TO BLOCK THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. I LOVE TACOS. OKAY, , DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M HERE TO ASK A BIGGER QUESTION. WHY DID WE STOP BELIEVING IN THE WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR VISION? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, CAN WE BELIEVE IN IT? AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING, LET'S RECOMMIT TO A VISION FOR WEST SPRING VALLEY THAT REFLECTS THE PROMISE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR STAYING SO LATE. I APPRECIATE IT AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? I WRITE AT IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. UH, IF YOU PROMISE THAT YOU'LL WRITE ONE UP ONCE YOU'RE DONE, THAT'D BE GREAT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TINO RODRIGUEZ. UM, ADDRESS IS 1832 GREENRIDGE COURT. CARROLLTON, TEXAS. I WORK FOR, UH, LOS AL VERDE. I I DIDN'T BRING MY SHIRT TODAY, BUT, UH, IT'S VERY COLD IN HERE. YEAH. UM, HONESTLY, THE, THE REASON THE, THE MAIN CONCERN OR THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT THE PARKING, UM, IT WOULD BE WORSE IF WE HAD THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, INITIALLY YES, THE BUILDING WAS MADE FOR OR DESIGNED FOR THE SECOND FLOOR TO BE AN OFFICE, BUT SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN ALMOST FIVE YEARS, I THINK SINCE THE, THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED. UH, WE HAVE A CORPORATE OFFICE, WE WOULDN'T NEED IT. AND EVEN AT THE CORPORATE OFFICE, HART PARKING IS FULL. SO IT TAKES ABOUT 15 SPACES JUST TO, JUST FOR THE OFFICE PEOPLE. I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW MANY SPOTS ARE HERE. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OVER 20. SO, I MEAN, WE WOULD TAKE HALF THE PARKING LOT. THERE'S NO, THE LOT IS TOO SMALL. THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE FOR PARKING. SO THAT WOULD REALLY, THAT WOULDN'T WORK. OR IF IT WASN'T APPROVED, I GUESS, AND WE BUILT THE SECOND FLOOR, WE'D HAVE TO INSTALL AN ELEVATOR. WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO USE THAT SECOND FLOOR. NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK. UM, WE, WHEN WE, ANOTHER IDEA WAS MAYBE RENT IT FOR LIKE EVENTS OR PARTIES, BUT WHERE WOULD YOU PARK ALL THOSE PEOPLE? SO I GUESS THE PARKING AREA REALLY DOESN'T, OR THE COMMON DOESN'T REALLY, UH, HELP THE CASE. THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN WAS OR WHAT, UH, IT WAS INTENT TO BE, BUT THE REASON WHY THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED, THE FIRST STORE THAT, UH, THE OWNER OPENED WAS ON CO ROAD OR SPRING. YEAH, CO AND SPRING VALLEY ON THAT CORNER. AND HE LIVED ON THE APARTMENTS BEHIND ON THE NORTH SIDE. UM, SO HE REALLY LIKED THE AREA HE ENVISIONED THIS TO BE. UM, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS AGO IS WHEN THEY OPENED, UH, TO, TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. LOVES RICHARDSON LIVES AROUND THE AREA. SO I GUESS THIS IS A WAY TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. SURE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I [05:20:11] MUCH LIKE A PILOT THAT'S BEEN WAITING TOO LONG. OH, HERE WE GO. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND STARTING FROM THE TOP, UH, IF YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR A THOUGHT, I CAN START FROM THE TOP. YEP. UM, ANYWAY, I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT AND, AND, AND, AND JUST, UH, BASICALLY SAY IT OUT LOUD. UH, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PREVIOUS COUNCIL, UH, MEMBERS, UM, INCLUDING MYSELF, UH, HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF SPRING, UH, SPRING VALLEY. AND I KNOW THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT FUTURE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA ELEVATE THAT AREA. AND I FEEL, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT WE WANT TO START THE DIRECTION, BECAUSE THERE IS NO BUILDING GOING ON IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW. IT'S ALL JUST EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND, AND WITH THE PARKING ISSUE AND THAT POTENTIALLY GOING INTO A SECOND FLOOR AT A LATER DATE. OR MAYBE, MAYBE IT WILL, MAYBE IT WON'T. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS POTENTIALLY MAYBE NOT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT FOR THE, UH, THE VISION FOR THE MASTER PLAN. PERSONALLY SPEAKING, UH, I UNDERSTAND THIS FITS THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE AREA CURRENTLY, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT HOW TO ELEVATE THE AREA WITH A DIFFERENT DI A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT PLAN AND WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE AT THE MOMENT. BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. AND THAT'S MY OPINION. I'M NOT SAYING I'M OPPOSED, UH, OR NOT AT THE MOMENT. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT STATEMENT. I WANNA HEAR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS COURSE, ANY COMMENTS. OF COURSE. AND, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, WE NEED A SUPER MAJORITY, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER COR CORCORAN. MR. MAYOR, JUST BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING. JUST MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. A, A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ABSOLUTELY. I HEAR YOUR MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE CLOSED NOW. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR. UM, THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IF I WERE LITTLE YOUNGER, I'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO THROW A ROCK AND HIT THIS PLOT OF LAND. I DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY. I REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS A CARWASH AND HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVED IN A TRUCK THERE FOR YEARS IN THAT CAR WASH. UH, I'VE BEEN AT EVERY TACO RIA ON THE RICHARD SIGN SIDE AND THE DALLAS SIDE, AND I ASSURE YOU THAT THIS DOES ELEVATE THE AREA. UM, I HAVE BEEN TO THE AND BEEN A CUSTOMER THEIRS FOR MANY YEARS OVER ON KOI. UM, AND IT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. NOT GONNA LIE. AND I WOULD, UH, LOVE TO BUY YOU GUYS LUNCH THERE IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED SOMEDAY. THERE YOU GO, . BUT, UM, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS. I DO HEAR SOME OF THE CONCERNS. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS SOME OF THAT PARKING, BECAUSE WE WANNA BE GOOD, GOOD NEIGHBORS. UH, BUT AS THE SECOND GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE, UH, AND SAID, YEAH, IF THIS WERE CORPORATE OFFICE, I THINK YOU'D HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE. UM, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT. AS FAR AS THE ELEVATION. I THINK IT FITS INTO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. I'M A NOT A BIG FAN OF, UM, CHANGING FROM PDS. AS SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL IN MY, SOME OF MY PREVIOUS VOTES IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PD, UH, OF AN AREA THAT HASN'T BEEN, UM, NOTHING EVER HAPPENED WITH THAT. LET'S BE REAL. UH, NOTHING EVER HAPPENED WITH THAT PD AND THAT WEST SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR. IN FACT, THIS COUNCIL WITH EXCEPTION OF THE MAYOR WHO, UM, THIS PREVIOUS COUNCIL, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS AREA, UM, WE DECIDED TO ACTUALLY SHRINK THAT AREA OF FOCUS AROUND THE 75 AND SPRING VALLEY. UH, AND WE NARROWED OUR F FOCUS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. 'CAUSE WE HAD SEEN HOW WIDE THAT VISION WAS AND HOW IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO ACT UPON. SO, LOOKING INTO THAT, KNOWING THAT MOST OF US WORK HERE IN A PART OF THAT VOTE TO NARROW THE VISION AT SPRING VALLEY AND 75 VERSUS EXTENDING THAT VERSION LIKE INITIALLY THAT MANY COUNCILS GOES BUILT ALL THE WAY TO CO KNOWING, UH, ONE, I THINK THEIR PRODUCT. I THINK THAT IT DOES ELEVATE THE AREA. I MEAN, YES, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A NORDSTROM, IT'S NOT MIXED USE AND BIG FANCY. IT'S ANOTHER, UM, . BUT I ASSURE YOU THAT THE MARKET CALLS FOR IT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE OPENING LEFT AND RIGHT, UM, DOWN THERE. AND I PROBABLY KEEP 'EM IN BUSINESS. UH, BUT THE, WHEN I SEE THE RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA THAT [05:25:01] HAVE LEFT, THAT LEFT THE RICHARDSON SIDE, I MEAN, AND GONE OVER TO THE DALLAS SIDE OF SPRING VALLEY AND KUWAIT WE'RE LOSING, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECAPTURE SOME TAX DOLLARS. I ASSURE YOU THAT THAT PLACE WILL REMAIN BUSY. I GUARANTEE IF WE GO OVER THERE TO SVE, I DON'T KNOW IF, ARE THEY CLOSED YET? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THAT ONE LOCATION ON KUWAIT CLOSES. THEY MIGHT STILL BE OPEN. UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPEN. THE, THE ONE ON KUWAIT IS OPEN LATE AND THEY'RE ALWAYS BUSY. I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE BEEN THERE, UM, MANY TIMES, UH, LATE AT NIGHT AND, UH, THEY ARE ALWAYS BUSY AND I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY USE SOME OF THAT. UM, BRING SOME OF THAT BACK TO THE RICHARDSON SIDE AND NOT JUST GIVE IT IT TO DALLAS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HUTCH, I STRONGLY SUPPORT, IN CASE THAT WASN'T CLEAR. MAYOR PROAM, HUTCHIN MATTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, UM, NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH ANYTHING THAT COUNCILMAN BARRIOS SAID, BUT MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS WE JUST PASSED THE COMP PLAN AND I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DIDN'T PICK UP IF, IF, IF WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS AN AREA THAT A RESTAURANT SHOULD GO INTO AND NOT A MIXED USE WITH A SECOND STORY. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT GOT GOT MISSED. 'CAUSE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE COMP PLAN. SO I'M, I'M NOT PER SE AGAINST THE CONCEPT. I'M JUST CONCERNED, AND I GUESS I'M, I'M AGAINST THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA JUST RIGHT OUT OF THE CHUTE AFTER HAVING PASSED THE COMP PLAN THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD VOTE, WE WOULD VOTE AGAINST, I MEAN, I'M SORRY. WE'D VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN ESSENCE AGAINST THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THERE, AS WE WERE TOLD, THEY COULD EASILY GO IN AND PUT, PUT WHAT WAS IN ESSENCE APPROVED IN THE COMP PLAN. THAT WAS LIKE, ACTUALLY IF I, IF THAT, THAT, UH, MS. PETER SAID WAS, WAS APPROVED. AND SO, UM, I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS DONE. I I AM, I'M NOT REAL SURE WHY WE WOULD WANT TO GO AGAINST THE CO COMP PLANS. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OVERARCHING CONCERN. SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING YES OR NO, I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS FAST. WE, WE'D IMMEDIATELY GO AGAINST THE COMP PLAN. SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER ARFIN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, I MEAN THIS IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST. THERE IS SOME CHANGE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE DEFINITION OF MIXED USE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS RESTAURANT AND OFFICE. UH, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. IT'S REALLY FITS GOOD BY LOOKING AT IT. THE STRUCTURE ELEVATION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUTTING IT. AND, UH, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THAT 12 FEET SIDEWALK IN THE FRONT TO MAKE THIS PLACE WALKABLE MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT IS TODAY. AND I THINK THIS IS, WE ARE WAITING TOO LONG FOR THIS SPRING VERY CORRIDOR TO LOP. SO I THINK THIS, THIS WILL PUT SOME ENERGY INTO THE AREA BY BUILDING THESE THINGS. THIS IS A SMALL LOT, SO IT'S NOT REALLY TAKING OUT BIG AREA FROM THE AREA TO HAVE MIXED USE. SO IF THIS WAS A MUCH BIGGER PROPERTY, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD THINK REALLY TWICE BEFORE APPROVING THIS. BUT IT CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WITH THIS LIMITED LAND. UH, I THINK WITH THIS, I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE ADDITION TO THE AREA, AND IT'S NOT REALLY GOING AGAINST THE, THE COMPLETE OVERALL VISION OF THE AREA. I THINK THIS WILL HELP THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, UH, AREA. AND REGARDING THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED 17 PARKING, THEY'RE PUTTING 30 PARKING. EVEN IF SOMEONE TAKES, YOU KNOW, A FEW MORE SPOT THAT'S GONNA BE STILL MORE PARKING AND THEY CAN ENFORCE WHAT, WHO CAN PARK AND WHO CANNOT PARK IN THAT AREA. BUT ALSO IN THE FUTURE, UH, IF THE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH I DOUBT THEY WOULD DATE, I THINK THIS WOULD DO GREAT, UH, FOR THAT AREA, THIS KIND OF BUSINESS. I WOULD SUPPORT THIS, UH, JUST BRIEFLY TO SAY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. UM, THANK YOU, MR. YEAH, MAYOR REER, JUST TO, JUST TO ANSWER MY, I GUESS MY OPINION ON, ON YOUR OPINION. UM, AND REALLY, I MEAN, I'M SAYING THIS NOT SAME, I'M ABOUT TO SAY NOT KNOWING EVERY NUANCE OF THE WEST SPRING VALLEY, UH, PD AND CODE, UM, AND PLAN. BUT MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS DONE A LONG TIME AGO, SORT OF BEFORE WE HAD THE SAME LEVEL OF, OF UNDERSTANDING ON HOW TO ESSENTIALLY ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH ZONING. AND IT'S RELATIVELY RESTRICTIVE COMPARED TO SOME OF OUR OTHER, UM, SORT OF, I GUESS, PDS OR PLANS THAT WE HAVE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT, SO I, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE BOTH SIDES ARE COMING FROM. UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, [05:30:01] I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO PAUSE DEVELOPMENT ON EVERY SMALL PARCEL, UM, ON WEST SPRING VALLEY WHILE WE WAIT TO REEVALUATE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT PLAN ACTUALLY AS RESTRICTIVE AS WE THINK IT IS, OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, WORKING AGAINST DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA? AND I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN'T WAIT FOR DALLAS TO TO ACT EITHER. SO THAT WOULD JUST BE MY ONLY COUNTER TO THAT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SMALL PARCEL AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S FINE TO, TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE VISUALLY IT IS WHAT WE INTENDED COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I JUST SORT OF ECHO THAT. I DON'T THINK IT DOES GO AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COUNCIL MANAGEMENT WRITER. YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THERE'S A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO IT THAT IT CALLS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, WHICH IS A TWO STORY RESTAURANT WITH AN OFFICE ON THE SECOND STORY. SO LIKE IT, WE ANTICIPATED THIS WOULD BE A RESTAURANT. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE JOKINGLY, I WOULD SAY PUT A DESK ON THE MEZZANINE AND CALL IT AN OFFICE AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, 90% OF THE WAY THERE EXCEPT TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT A SECOND STORY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT DEVIATING FROM THE CONFERENCE PLAN, AND THAT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS EARLIER WERE GOOD ONES. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A SLOW CHIPPING AWAY AT IT AND DO WE WANNA DO THAT? AND SO I, I SIT ON THE FENCE AND APPRECIATE THAT ARGUMENT, BUT I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT, THAT WE SPECIFICALLY CALL FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND TO BE A RESTAURANT. UM, IT'S JUST A SMALL NUANCE. UM, SO YEAH, I THINK, UH, JUST IF I CAN JUMP IN FOR A MOMENT, UH, SINCE I WAS ONE OF THOSE REALLY OLD PEOPLE WAY BACK WHEN THAT WAS A PART OF THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PLAN, I, I THINK A PART OF THE RESTRICTIVENESS WAS QUITE FRANKLY TO LESSEN THE CHANCE OF LITTLE PARCELS DOING THEIR OWN THING. UH, THE IDEA WAS, UH, TO DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF KIND OF LAND MASSING OR AT LEAST ENCOURAGING LAND MASSING. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE FIVE OR I, I, IF IT'S NOT, UH, CURRENTLY WORKING, BUT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE FIVE RIGHT NOW. AND, AND AS YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU CAN VERY QUICKLY BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF LANDMASS AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY GET, UH, A FEW PARCELS TOGETHER THAT THAT COULD BE A LEGITIMATE MIXED USE, UH, PROPERTY. UH, AND WHETHER IT'S TACOS OR ANYTHING ELSE, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED, UH, ABOUT THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC USE AS MUCH AS I AM, UH, THE FORM OF IT AND THAT SORT OF THING. I, I DO AGREE. SO I AM A LITTLE BIT TORN THAT THEY ARE EARNESTLY ATTEMPTING TO HAVE, UH, A FORM THAT LOOKS AND FEELS IT'S, IT'S SITUATED ON THE STREET, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND SO THEY ARE DOING THE MOST THEY CAN ON THE PIECE OF LAND TO CONFORM TO WHAT IT IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM A LOOK AND FEEL PERSPECTIVE. UM, BUT I THINK THE OVERALL REASON FOR THE RESTRICTIVENESS WAS TO ULTIMATELY TRY AND INCENTIVIZE OR CREATE A SCENARIO, UH, SLIDE FIVE IF YOU'RE ABLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE WERE DOING THERE. UM, UH, THE, THE HOPE WAS, WAS TO BE ABLE TO AMASS LAND AND BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING SLIGHTLY LARGER. IF YOU LOOK JUST NORTH ON WATERFALL, YOU DO SEE, UH, THE APARTMENTS THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO FROM A HEIGHT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ALL KIND OF MATCH A MIXED USE TYPE OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK SOMEONE SAID THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH DIRECTLY IS, IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S NOT IN USE? MM-HMM . YEAH. YES. SO YOU SEE THERE'S OPEN LAND, THERE'S A BUILDING NOT IN USE, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO SOME SORT OF LAND MASSING IF SOMEONE WERE BOLD ENOUGH OR EXCITED ENOUGH TO TRY AND TAKE THAT ON. SO THAT'S JUST STUFF TO CONSIDER. I'M NOT SAYING YAY OR NAY, IT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS. I SEE A COUPLE LIGHTS ON, SO I DON'T KNOW. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, IS THAT YOU HAVING A QUESTION OR A COMMENT? IT, YEAH, I'LL, I JUST HAVE A, A RESPONSE TO THIS. 'CAUSE AGAIN, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH ZONING CASES WHERE I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT AT THIS POINT WITH RESPECT TO LAND MASSING AND OH, THE POTENTIAL FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND I WOULD JUST, I GUESS THE COUNTER, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY TO THAT, UM, IS JUST THAT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME ON WEST SPRING VALLEY AND THERE HASN'T BEEN NEARLY AS MUCH TURNOVER AND CHANGE AND LAND MASSING AS I THINK WAS INTENDED. AND SO HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE WAIT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? AGAIN, I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ISSUE MULTIPLE TIMES. YEAH. BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST A QUESTION THAT COMES UP IN MY MIND WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. IT IS A, IT IS A LONG TERM PROCESS, UH, UH, OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. YES. I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. AND, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL. I MEAN, YES, YOU'RE COMING IN HERE AND BUILDING A BRAND NEW BUILDING. UH, IT, IT'S ON THE STREET. THERE IS A [05:35:01] LARGE SIDEWALK. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PIECE ESTABLISHED, BUT WHAT THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW IS LANDMASS SEED. OF COURSE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, UH, WATERFALL AND SPRING VALLEY, POTENTIALLY THAT ENTIRE AREA COULD BE IN THE FUTURE MIXED USE, AND YOU'RE PAIRING THAT RIGHT NEXT TO THE RICHARDSON HEIGHTS AND YOU'RE BRINGING IN, YOU'RE RE YOU'RE RE REDEVELOPING THAT ENTIRE AREA. NOW, I KNOW WE WAITED A VERY LONG TIME, AND BELIEVE ME, I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SPRING VALLEY FOR THE LAST OVER 20 YEARS AND ADVOCATING TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET IT, UH, TO A POINT WHERE IT JUST BECOMES A, A, A NICER, CLEANER AREA. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OP POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE SOME MIXED USE IN THE FUTURE. UH, IF WE JUST HOLD OFF THE BUILDING TO THE BACK AGAIN, IS, IS EMPTY. THERE'S LAND BEHIND THERE. I'M SURE THAT IS A FULL PARCEL. AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS PARCEL HERE THAT ELIMINATES JUST THOSE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT. SO, I MEAN, I JUST, AND LOOKING AT THAT IS OUR VISION. UM, AND WHETHER IT'S THE OLD MASTER PLAN OR THE NEW MASTER PLAN, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH. THE THING IS, IS THAT'S THE VISION THAT WE'RE WANTING FOR SPRING VALLEY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE OVER 20 YEARS. AND, AND I REALLY FEEL, AGAIN, I I I, I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND, AND PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, AND I LIKE THAT. AGAIN, IT'S A NEW BUILDING, IT'S JUST THAT RIGHT NOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD WAIT TO SEE IF THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TURN IN AND TO A, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND, AND START, YOU KNOW, REDESIGNING THE AREA OVER TIME. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS I THINK WAS NEXT. YEAH, MAYOR, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, STAFF. COUPLE OF CLARIFICATION QUESTION. I'M GONNA USE MY OWN POINTER 'CAUSE I CARRY ONE WITH ME. OH, I SEE HERE. COOL. ALL RIGHT. SO TEACHER PROBLEMS, . OKAY, SO THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, IS THIS, THE ONE YOU SAY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A CO IT'S VACANT. IT'S VACANT. IT'S VACANT. OKAY. AND ALL THAT LAND, BECAUSE I WILL SAY I JUST SAW WORK TRUCKS THERE LAST WEEK. AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S VACANT. SO THAT'S, I DRIVE, I LITERALLY DRIVE BY THIS AREA EVERY DAY. AND I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR THIS EVENING THAT THIS IS VACANT. THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE. THERE'S THESE BUILDINGS, UH, WHICH I KNOW HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING. THEY KIND OF GO THROUGH TENANTS QUITE OFTEN. UH, I WOULD, YES, ON A LAND MASSING SCENARIO SCENARIO, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF DOWN THE ROAD, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN HERE, BUT, UH, NO, NO OFFENSE TO . 'CAUSE I DO A LOVE , BUT THIS RIGHT NOW IS MY FAVORITE TACO PLACE IN ALL OF RICHARDSON. IT'S PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE RICHARDSON BUSINESS AS FAR AS WHEN IT COMES TO HOW BUSY IT IS, ANY WEST OF 75. AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN HERE. BUT THIS PLACE IS REALLY, REALLY BUSY. THERE'S NO WAY IN HECK, THESE GUYS ARE SELLING ANYTIME SOON. THAT PLACE IS A CASH COW. UM, AND, UH, SO WHEN IT COMES TO LANDMASS, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY HERE. UM, BUT UH, THIS PLACE HAS STAYED BUSY OVER THE YEARS. AND ONE IS THIS BY RIGHT? CAN THIS STILL BE A CAR WASH? NO. NO. SO WHEN WE CHANGED PD, THAT WAS NO LONGER, OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD THING. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. I'M GLAD THAT WILL NEVER BE A CAR WASH AGAIN. AND THEN YOU GUYS KNOW THAT'S THE SUBSTATION. UH, BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S THAT QUESTION? THE, WELL, THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE CO AND THE, UH, WHAT THEY CAN DO BY RIGHT THERE. I THINK, AGAIN, RESTATING AND I'M DONE, THE INTENT IS TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE AND TO DO THE SIDEWALK TREATMENTS, UH, AND THE WIDTH AS BY THE PD. BUT I THINK WHEN WE NARROWED OUR FOCUS, UH, IN THE ENVISION RICHARDSON PLAN LAST YEAR, UH, THAT WE, WE SAW THAT THIS WEST SPRING VALLEY WASN'T WORKING AND WE DECIDED NEAR OUR FOCUS, UH, IT HAS BEEN, I THINK MAYOR SAID IT WAS 2011 OR 2012 WHEN THEY WERE A PART OF THIS. AND IT WAS A, I THINK IT WAS A GREAT PLAN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. AND I THINK BY CONTINUING THAT NOTHING HAPPENS. IT'S, FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S 90% THERE. AND, UH, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE CLARIFICATION QUESTION, WHETHER THEY'RE STUCK TO THE 30 FEET, BECAUSE IF THEY WOULD'VE SAID, NO, IT'S A TRUE ONE STORY THAT WOULD'VE TURNED ME TO A NO. BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S STILL 30, IT GIVES THAT APPEARANCE A TWO STORY. IT HAS KIND OF A FALSE S MEZZANINE, I GUESS IS WHAT WE CALL IT. 'CAUSE THAT KIND OF FALSE HALF, UH, SECOND STORY, IT HAS THE ABILITY TO BECOME A SECOND STORY IF THAT CHANGES 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS ACROSS THE ROAD HERE, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE THE ESPERANZA WORKING [05:40:01] WITH, UH, DALLAS COUNTY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING SOUTH OF SPRING VALLEY ON THE DALLAS SIDE. AND I THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS JUST A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UH, TO MAKING SOMETHING START TO HAPPEN. I'M NOT GONNA SAY THIS IS GONNA BE A CATALYST. I'M NOT PRETENDING IT'S GONNA BE A CATALYST THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THIS AREA, BUT I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAUL, JUST ONE COMMENT. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT ARIEL UH, PHOTOGRAPHY THERE. UH, NOW I THINK THIS, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT THINGS, THIS WILL COMPLIMENT IF STILL THERE IS OPPORTUNITY IF SOMEONE COMES AND BUY ALL THESE THREE PROPERTY THERE. UH, SO RESTAURANT IS SOMETHING THAT IT'LL GO WITH ANY OTHER MIXED USE. SURE. SO I THINK THIS MIGHT ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT EVENTUALLY. SO I'M STILL SUPPORTING THIS THING, NOT GOING AWAY FROM THE LONG TERM VISION OF THE AREA. SO I THINK WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. YES. I'LL JUST MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT. UM, THE TACO PLACE THAT'S ON THE CORNER THERE, IF THEY STAY, WHICH IS GREAT, THEY, THAT'S JUST ONE PARCEL OF LAND. THE LAND BEHIND THAT AND THE EMPTY BUILDING, POTENTIALLY THE OFFICE SPACE AND WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS POTENTIALLY COULD BE THE START OF MIXED USE. EVENTUALLY, POTENTIALLY THAT BUILDING OR LAND COULD BE PURCHASED OR ADDED IN OR JUST STAY THERE. IT COULD BE BUILT AROUND THERE, BUT THIS STILL LEADS AND LENDS ITSELF TO, UH, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AND, AND ON THAT NOTE, UM, I, I'M, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I SEE OTHER COMMENTS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, SORRY, I'M JUST GONNA PULL UP MY PRESENTATION HERE. NO PROBLEM. YEAH, YOU WANT ME TO CALL YOU NEXT? YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SORT OF SAY THAT THAT ENTIRE AREA, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SETS SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, WHICH MEANS IT SHOULD BE OFFICE AND IT SHOULD BE RETAIL AND IT SHOULD BE A RESTAURANT. I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME SORT OF LIKE FANCY DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE DO, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PREVIOUS PLAN, NOT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH SAYS THIS SHOULD BE A RESTAURANT. SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE OKAY WITH A MEZZANINE FILLING IN AS A SECOND STORY? AND THERE NOT BEING AN OFFICE ON THAT ME MEZZANINE OR NOT, LIKE I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT A DIVISION WAS IN 2009 OR 2011 OR WHATEVER, BUT WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOW THAT SAYS THIS SHOULD BE RETAIL RESTAURANT OFFICE. DO WE WANT IT OR DO WE NOT WANT IT? THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. COUNCILMAN RIOS, DO YOU HAVE MORE NEWS TO I I, NO, I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ZONING FILE 25 0 8. CURTIS. OKAY. I HAVE, I ALREADY, I KNOW YOU CAN'T OVERRIDE. YEAH, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, I ALREADY HAD IT. I ALREADY HAD MY LIGHT ON. YOU HAD MOTION. I ALREADY HAD A MOTION ON THE TABLE. YOU ACTUALLY DIDN'T BECAUSE THERE WAS COMMENT AFTERWARDS. NO, I SAID THAT AFTERWARDS. SAID I HAVE A COMMENT, GENTLEMEN. IE EITHER WAY, WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON IT AND IN THE END, YOU'RE EITHER A YES OR A NO, AND IT, IT, IT ALL TURNS OUT THE SAME. SO COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, YOU MADE A MOTION. LET'S GO AHEAD AND SEE WHO WANTS TO SECOND THIS MOTION. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER. HUM. YOU'RE SECONDING THE MOTION. I SECONDED. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MOTION? NOPE. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE IT DOES NOT PASS. UH, 'CAUSE WE NEEDED A SUPER MAJORITY. UM, SO IN FAVOR WAS COUNCIL MEMBER. HUM. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS COUNCIL MEMBER. JUSTICE OPPOSED? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RE, AND MYSELF. UM, ALL RIGHT. [10. CONSENT AGENDA] WE SHALL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, DORIAN, OH, SORRY. OH, APOLOGIES. NO PROBLEM. MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN RIDER. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALRIGHT, HEARING A MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAUL. I SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, FINALLY. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. AND ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. ITEM NUMBER 11. COUNCIL MEMBER SCH, YOU'VE GOT ONE. OH, NO. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO BREAK THE MIDNIGHT BARRIER. OKAY. IF, UH, IF NOTHING ELSE, UH, MAYOR, I'LL JUST MAKE NOTE. UM, WE ARE GONNA, UH, WE'RE GONNA RESCHEDULE THE, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION BRIEFING FOR, UH, NEXT WEEK. UH, JUST, UH, OUT OF INTEREST OF TIME HERE. SO MAYOR, YOU'LL GO RIGHT TO ADJOURNING IF YOU'RE READY TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 1154. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.