Jun 16, 2025 City Council Work Session

THING OF THIS RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6 P.M.

[CALL TO ORDER]

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[A. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF ONE CARD IN ADVANCE OF THE 5 P.M.

DEADLINE. THAT'S FOR MISS ERICA BURKE OF 900 FRANCIS WAY.

AND IT'S REGARDING SNAP REPLACEMENT BENEFITS FOR RESIDENTS IN RICHARDSON, IN PARTICULAR DALLAS COUNTY. I WANT TO LET MISS BYRD KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED A COPY OF HER COMMENTS AND FOR FOR YOUR REVIEW.

AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL LOOK TO OUR CITY SECRETARY TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. I HAVE NO CARDS.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'S LOOKING TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. SEEING? NONE.

[B. PRESENTATION OF A PROCLAMATION FOR MARY BEDOSKY, DISTRICT GOVERNOR FOR ROTARY DISTRICT 5810]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT'S REALLY AN HONOR TONIGHT TO WELCOME MARY TO THE COUNCIL.

AS MAYOR, O'MARA MAKES HIS WAY TO THE PODIUM TO READ THE PROCLAMATION.

WE JUST WANT TO SAY HOW EXCITED IT WAS TO JOIN THE MAYOR AND COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE AND COUNCILMAN CORCORAN THIS PAST THURSDAY EVENING AS MARY MARY WAS INSTALLED INTO HER NEW LEADERSHIP POSITION WITH THE ROTARY.

AND SO MAYOR AFTER YOU PRESENT THE PROCLAMATION, WE'D LOVE TO INVITE THE COUNCIL UP TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH MARY.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, COUNCIL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANY WORDS AFTER THAT, BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS YOU RETURN TO YOUR SEAT. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. WONDERFUL.

WELL, MARY'S JOINING ME UP HERE SO I CAN EMBARRASS HER WHILE SHE STANDS WITHIN TWO FEET OF US. MARY, WE ARE THRILLED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THIS PROCLAMATION THIS EVENING, AND I'M GOING TO READ THROUGH IT SO YOU CAN SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN KIND OF HEAR THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT MAKES MARY SO SPECIAL.

SO WE'LL START WITH WHEREAS ROTARY DISTRICT 5810 PROUDLY GATHERS TO CELEBRATE LEADERSHIP, SERVICE AND THE SPIRIT OF SERVICE ABOVE SELF.

WE PAUSE TO HONOR AN EXCEPTIONAL ROTARIAN, DEVOTED PUBLIC SERVANT AND DEDICATED COMMUNITY LEADER, MARY PODOLSKI, AS SHE IS OFFICIALLY INSTALLED AS DISTRICT GOVERNOR FOR 2025 THROUGH 2026.

AND WHEREAS MARY PODOLSKY HAS EXEMPLIFIED ROTARY CORE VALUES SINCE JOINING IN 1994.

BEGINNING WITH THE RICHARDSON SUNRISE ROTARY CLUB, WHERE SHE ROSE TO SERVE AS COMMUNITY SERVICE DIRECTOR AND LATER TREASURER, AND CONTINUING THROUGH HER IMPACTFUL SERVICE WITH THE RICHARDSON EAST ROTARY CLUB SINCE 2003. AND WHEREAS, MARY HAS LED WITH PURPOSE AND PASSION IN MANY KEY LEADERSHIP ROLES, INCLUDING CLUB FOUNDATION, CHAIR, MEMBERSHIP CHAIR AND MOST NOTABLY AS PRESIDENT OF THE RICHARDSON EAST ROTARY CLUB.

IN 2020, HER LEADERSHIP JOURNEY FURTHER EXTENDED TO THE DISTRICT LEVEL, WHERE SHE SERVED WITH DISTINCTION AS ASSISTANT GOVERNOR FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN AS TEAM LEAD FOR THE ASSISTANT GOVERNORS.

AND WHEREAS, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS HIGHEST OFFICE OF DISTRICT LEADERSHIP, MARY HAS SERVED AS DISTRICT GOVERNOR ELECT WITH INTEGRITY AND VISION, INVESTING HER TIME, HEART AND HANDS IN SERVICE PROJECTS BOTH LOCALLY AND ABROAD, INCLUDING MEANINGFUL OUTREACH IN HONDURAS AND MEXICO.

AND WHEREAS, BEYOND ROTARY, MARY'S COMMITMENT TO THE RICHARDSON COMMUNITY IS NOTHING SHORT OF INSPIRING, AS CONFIRMED WHEN SHE WAS SELECTED AS THE 2022 RICHARDSON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR.

AND THROUGH HER SERVICE ON THE BOARDS OF THE METHODIST RICHARDSON MEDICAL CENTER FOUNDATION AND THE WOMEN'S I'M SORRY AND THE RICHARDSON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AS WELL AS IN VARIOUS CIVIC ROLES, INCLUDING THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCE BOARD.

WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP AND LEADERSHIP, RICHARDSON ADVISORY BOARD, AMONG MANY OTHERS. AND WHEREAS MARY IS A LIFELONG SERVANT LEADER WITH OVER 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN SALES AND BANKING.

A GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-EAU CLAIRE AND A RETIRED BANKING CENTER.

PRESIDENT OF PROSPERITY BANK.

MARY HAS CONTINUED TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE EVEN IN RETIREMENT, DEVOTING HERSELF TO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND ENGAGEMENT.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, AMEER OMAR, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, WITH DEEPEST RESPECT AND ADMIRATION, HONOR MARY PODOLSKY FOR ALL SHE HAS DONE, ALL SHE CONTINUES TO DO, AND ALL SHE WILL INSPIRE IN THE ROTARY FOR YEARS TO COME. GIVEN UNDER MY HAND AND SEAL OF THIS OFFICE THIS 12TH DAY OF JUNE 2025, PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING MARY BOROWSKI.

COME ON.

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HOW ABOUT YOU? YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY. HERE. YOU GO. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY.

WELL, THAT WAS ME. YEAH.

ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ONE. TWO.

THREE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SIR.

THANK ALL OF YOU FOR. BEING HERE.

YEAH. THIS IS THE WAY I AM.

YOU GOT THIS. I APOLOGIZE.

IT'S INTENDED TO BE THIS. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM C.

OH. I'M SORRY. PLEASE.

YES. LET'S MAKE SOME COMMENTS.

GO AHEAD. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO MARY. WE FIRST STARTED SERVING TOGETHER ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD MANY YEARS AGO.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ON THE AMAZING LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU. YES, READ, BUT SHE ALSO SERVED ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

CHAIRED THAT COMMITTEE WHEN I WAS ON IT. SO I'VE KNOWN MARY FOR, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND I'M VERY, VERY PROUD TO KNOW HER AND TO CALL HER A FRIEND. AND I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF OF YOUR RISE IN ROTARY THERE.

SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU SERVING THEM.

THE 60 CLUBS THAT WILL BENEFIT FROM YOUR LEADERSHIP DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LUCKY THEY ARE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR JOURNEY AS DISTRICT GOVERNOR.

AND I'M JUST VERY, VERY HAPPY FOR YOU AND PROUD OF YOU.

MAYOR PRO TEM, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS ON AS WELL.

MARY, I'VE KNOWN YOU, I THINK, SINCE THE FIRST DAY I WALKED INTO THE CITY. BECAUSE YOU FROM EVEN BEFORE THAT.

YEAH. BECAUSE YOU WERE ON PART OF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND WHEN I WAS GETTING HIRED. SO I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR PROBABLY NOW.

THIS GOT MORE YEARS THAN WE WANT TO COUNT, RIGHT? HOW ABOUT WE SAY IT THAT WAY? BUT CONGRATULATIONS. MADAM GOVERNOR, AND BEST OF LUCK IN ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND CONGRATULATIONS. ROTARY IS REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE YOU.

SO THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY ECHO ALL THOSE SENTIMENTS.

OH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHAMSUL WELL I JUST I COULDN'T STOP MYSELF.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS MADAM GOVERNOR.

THANK YOU. EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO APPRECIATE.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM C.

[C. PRESENTATION OF A PROCLAMATION FOR NATHAN LIU, 2025 RTX MATHCOUNTS NATIONAL CHAMPION]

MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. MAYOR, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO WELCOME NATHAN AND HIS FAMILY HERE TONIGHT TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THIS REALLY WORLD CLASS RECOGNITION THAT HE RECEIVED.

VERY SPECIAL. WE WERE JUST TALKING BEFORE THE MEETING.

WE'RE SO HONORED THAT THEY CHOSE RICHARDSON AS THEIR HOME HERE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, AND I'M EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO WELCOME THEM AND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS VERY, VERY SPECIAL, RARE DISTINCTION THAT THAT NATHAN WAS ABLE TO ACHIEVE.

AND AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AFTER MAYOR OMAR PRESENTS THE PROCLAMATION TO NATHAN AND HIS, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE HIS FAMILY UP AS WELL TO TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU AND CELEBRATE THIS THIS REALLY NEAT ACCOMPLISHMENT.

WONDERFUL. NATHAN, DO YOU MIND JOINING ME UP HERE? CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE ARE HERE TO HONOR NATHAN, SO I'M GOING TO READ THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS ABOUT WHAT A SPECTACULAR JOB YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON HERE.

WHEREAS NATHAN LIU, A 14 YEAR OLD EIGHTH GRADE STUDENT AND RESIDENT OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, HAS ACHIEVED NATIONAL RECOGNITION AS THE 2025 RTX MATH COUNTS NATIONAL CHAMPION, RISING ABOVE MORE THAN 33,000 PARTICIPANTS NATIONWIDE TO EARN THE TOP HONOR AT THE PRESTIGIOUS NATIONAL COMPETITION HELD IN WASHINGTON, D.C.. AND WHEREAS NATHAN LIU DEMONSTRATED EXCEPTIONAL SPEED, INTELLECT AND COMPOSURE UNDER PRESSURE DURING THE COUNTDOWN ROUND,

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AND WHEREAS NATHAN COMPETED AMONG 224 ELITE STUDENTS REPRESENTING ALL 50 STATES, U.S. TERRITORIES AND SCHOOLS AFFILIATED WITH THE UNITED STATES.

I'M SORRY, WITH THE U.S.

STATE AND DEFENSE DEPARTMENTS BRINGING HONOR NOT ONLY TO HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY, BUT ALSO TO THE RICHARDSON COMMUNITY AND THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND WHEREAS NATHAN'S ACHIEVEMENTS REFLECT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON'S STRONG TRADITION OF EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE, INNOVATION, AND SUPPORT FOR STEM LEARNING AND SERVES AS AN INSPIRATION TO STUDENTS ACROSS THE REGION TO PURSUE KNOWLEDGE WITH PASSION AND PERSEVERANCE. AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON EXTENDS ITS HEARTFELT CONGRATULATIONS TO NATHAN LIU AND ACKNOWLEDGES THE EDUCATORS, MENTORS, AND FAMILY MEMBERS WHO SUPPORT WHO HELPED SUPPORT HIS JOURNEY TO THIS HISTORIC NATIONAL VICTORY. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF RICHARDSON TAKES IMMENSE PRIDE IN RECOGNIZING THE OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENTS OF ITS YOUNG RESIDENTS WHOSE ACCOMPLISHMENTS REFLECT THE COMMUNITY'S ONGOING COMMITMENT TO ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, AMIR OMAR, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY HONOR AND CONGRATULATE NATHAN LIEU AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN IN CELEBRATING THIS REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT GIVEN UNDER MY HAND AND SEAL OF OFFICE THIS 16TH DAY OF JUNE, 2025.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING NATHAN.

AND IF YOU ALL WANT TO COME ON UP, PARENTS, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS? ANYONE WANT TO CHALLENGE THE FOUR SECOND SPEED OR ANY OF THE ABOVE? ALL RIGHT. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, NATHAN.

WE'RE ALL VERY PROUD OF YOU.

AND WE HOPE YOU CAN BE THE FIRST THREE PEAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN A THREE PEAT IN THIS BUT WE'D LOVE TO SEE IT.

OF COURSE. WE GOT TO GET THE SECOND ONE FIRST. GREAT JOB.

NATHAN. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM D, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE ARTS AND CULTURAL

[D. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE ARTS & CULTURE MASTER PLAN UPDATE]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE OUR CONSULTING TEAM OF RICHARD NEWMAN AND J.R. CLAYTON BACK. WITH US TONIGHT FROM BARRY DUNN.

I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MICHAELA DARLA FROM OUR OFFICE WHO'S BEEN STAFFING AND DOING A GREAT JOB ON PROGRESSING THIS.

WE'RE ABOUT A YEAR INTO THE PROCESS AND REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE RICH AND J.R.

BACK TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

AS YOU'LL SEE, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT PORTION OF THE PLAN, AND VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE ACTION ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFULLY KIND OF DIVIDED INTO SHORT, MID AND LONG TERM GOALS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION WHO HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OF WORKING WITH MICHAELA AS WELL AS THE CONSULTING TEAM AND OF COURSE, OUR LIAISON TO THAT COUNCILMAN DORIAN, WHO I THINK WILL HAVE SOME COMMENTS AFTER AFTER THE PRESENTATION. SO RICH AND GERARD, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US TO THIS POINT.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEFING.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US BACK.

AND THANK YOU FOR TRUSTING BARRY DUNN ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.

IT'S REALLY BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY, TO LEARN ABOUT IT, AND TO CELEBRATE WHAT MAKES IT SUCH A UNIQUE PLACE THROUGH ARTS AND CULTURE, ESPECIALLY. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE ARTS AND CULTURE.

MASTER. PLAN TO PRESENT YOU WITH A DRAFT.

GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU.

AND THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HOPE TO DISCUSS, A PROCESS, HOW WE GOT TO TONIGHT, WHAT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WERE THAT KIND OF LED THIS PROJECT, IF YOU WILL.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS REALLY THE HEART OF THIS PROCESS.

WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU KEY FINDINGS AND THEN HOW WE GOT TO OUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES AND PRIORITIES THROUGH THE VISIONING PROCESS.

AND WE'LL END UP WITH A DEEP REVIEW OF THOSE OBJECTIVES AND TACTICS BEFORE WE ASK FOR ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS. AND WE'RE READY TO JUMP RIGHT INTO IT IF YOU ARE.

HERE'S THE PROCESS THAT LED US TO TONIGHT.

WE STARTED WAY BACK ABOUT 13 MONTHS AGO WITH OUR DISCOVERY.

LEARNING AS MUCH AS WE CAN ABOUT THE UNIQUE SITUATION HERE AT RICHARDSON, YOUR ASSETS AND THE COMMUNITY MAKE UP ALL OF THOSE IMPORTANT DEMOGRAPHIC STUDIES.

AND THEN WE FOLLOWED IMMEDIATELY WITH A ROBUST ENGAGEMENT PERIOD.

WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME GETTING OUT AND ABOUT IN YOUR COMMUNITY, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH SHORTLY, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HEARD ALL OF THE VOICES FROM EVERY CORNER OF THE COMMUNITY, REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROCESS.

OF COURSE, THEN WE DOVE INTO ALL THE DATA WE COLLECTED AND PERFORMED OUR ANALYSIS BEFORE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, TO OUR GRANT RECIPIENTS AND OTHER PARTIES FOR VISIONING, MAKING SURE THAT WE HEARD IT RIGHT.

DID WE GET IT RIGHT? WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME THOUGHTS? AND THEN HOW DO WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND TRANSFER IT INTO ACTIONABLE ITEMS? AND THAT'S WHAT LED US TO THE DRAFT AND FINAL PLAN THAT WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. SO JUST A QUICK REVIEW OF THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE, IF YOU WILL.

OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY IS TO ENSURE THAT RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ACTIONABLE. A PLAN DOES NO GOOD IF IT SITS ON A SHELF.

SO WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS ACTIONABLE AND CERTAINLY WITHIN THE CITY'S PURVIEW, BECAUSE EQUALLY, YOU DON'T WANT OBJECTIVES THAT ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T CONTROL.

WHERE APPROPRIATE, WE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO UPDATE AND REFINE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITY'S INAUGURAL 2013 PLAN.

AGAIN, THIS WAS AN UPDATE.

IT WAS NOT THROWING EVERYTHING OUT AND STARTING FROM SCRATCH. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BUT IT'S PRODUCING A PLAN THAT'S RESPONSIVE TO RICHARDSON'S CONTINUING DIVERSIFICATION AND EVOLVING INTERESTS, SUPPORTING THE EXISTING CULTURAL COMMUNITY AS WELL AS EMERGING CREATIVES, ENCOURAGING NEW TALENT TO COME UP IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO CERTAINLY MAINTAIN THE CITY'S HIGH CALIBER COMMUNITY EVENTS.

YOU'VE GOT SOME OUTSTANDING EVENTS HERE, AND OF COURSE, THE ISEMAN CENTER, JUST THE CROWN JEWEL, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROGRAM IS APPEALING TO PEOPLE OF VARIOUS AGES AND INTERESTS, AND REALLY SOLIDIFYING YOUR REPUTATION AS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR EXCELLENCE IN ARTS AND CULTURE IN NORTH TEXAS.

SO, AS I MENTIONED, YOUR LAST CULTURAL PLAN WAS 2013, AND I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH THE WORLD CHANGED SINCE 2013.

WE DID OUR BEST TO CARRY OVER MANY OF THE COMMON THEMES, IN FACT, DID CARRY OVER SEAMLESSLY TO THIS REPORT, BUT WE REFINED THEM SO THAT THEY WERE MEASURABLE AND ACTIONABLE BY THE CITY.

CITY HAS GROWN SINCE 2010, ABOUT MORE THAN 16%.

AND WITH THAT CHANGE OBVIOUSLY COMES CHANGES IN ENTERTAINMENT PREFERENCES, IF YOU WILL. AND WE ALL REMEMBER THE DEVASTATING IMPACT COVID 19 HAD ON THE COMMUNITY, AND IT REALLY DID DRAMATICALLY AFFECT THE ARTS AND CULTURE LANDSCAPE.

AND IT'S IRONIC BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WORTH REMINDING EVERYBODY HOW WE CLAMORED FOR ENTERTAINMENT WHEN WE WERE HOMEBOUND FOR ALL THOSE MONTHS.

IT'S ONLY SO MANY TIMES YOU CAN WATCH THROUGH THE ENTIRE CATALOG OF NETFLIX.

WE WERE CRAVING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, AND THAT WAS A HARD PERIOD FOR ALL OF US.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST FOCUS BRIEFLY ON ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

IT'S ESTIMATED THAT 1 IN 15 JOBS STATEWIDE INVOLVES THE CREATIVE SECTOR.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PERFORMING ARTIST, BUT IT COULD BE ANY OF THE CREATIVE SECTORS, FROM GRAPHIC DESIGN TO PROFESSIONAL CRAFTS AND CRAFTSMANSHIP,

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$5.8 MILLION IN IMPACT.

SO THAT GIVES YOU A GOOD INDICATION OF HOW IMPORTANT.

ARTS AND CULTURE ARE NOT JUST FOR OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT TO OUR BOTTOM LINE TO REALLY ENHANCING OUR ECONOMY.

SO HERE WE'RE SHOWING OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TIMELINE, WHICH OFFICIALLY KICKED OFF ON MAY 20TH.

AND I STOOD BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, MOST OF YOU, AND KICKED THAT OFF. WE'VE HAD LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT BARRY DUNN DOES NOT FOLLOW A TRADITIONAL APPROACH TO ENGAGEMENT.

WE DON'T JUST HOST COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO COME TO US.

WE'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IMMERSIVE.

WE ARE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE GO TO PEOPLE. WE DON'T EXPECT THEM TO COME TO US.

WE ARE CUSTOMIZED. WE STRATEGICALLY SELECT THE TOOLS THAT WOULD ALIGN BEST WITH YOUR DESIRED POPULATIONS AND YOUR UNIQUE MAKEUP.

IN RICHARDSON CONVENIENT, WE DO A HYBRID APPROACH.

SO YOU'RE SEEING EVIDENCE HERE OF LOTS OF PUBLIC MEETINGS.

BUT POP UPS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE ALSO USE AN ENGAGEMENT PORTAL ONLINE TO DRIVE ALL TRAFFIC BACK TO A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LEAVE FEEDBACK CONVENIENTLY ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN SCHEDULE.

SO IF SOMEBODY WERE SITTING UP AT 11:00 AND POPPED A BEER AND HAD THEIR FEET UP AND THEY COULD TAKE A SURVEY AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON ARTS AND CULTURE, WE WANTED TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROCESS.

AND WE FOCUSED ON HARD TO REACH AUDIENCES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE HEARING FROM EVERYBODY, AT LEAST INVITING PEOPLE TO THE CONVERSATION.

AND LASTLY, DEFENDABLE.

WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE DID GREAT WORK, AND WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT WE ACHIEVED. AND WE CERTAINLY ARE, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS AT A GLANCE.

WE MEASURE SOMETHING CALLED TOUCHPOINTS.

IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT FILL OUT A SURVEY OR RESPOND.

WE'RE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN EVERY INSTANCE IN WHICH A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL MADE A DOCUMENTED CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PROCESS, WHETHER THAT'S FILLING OUT A COMMENT CARD, ANSWERING A SURVEY ONLINE, HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH US.

THESE ARE ALL CAREFULLY TRACKED, OPENED EMAILS, NOT JUST EMAIL LISTS, BUT ACTUALLY OPENED EMAILS.

WE'RE TRACKING HARD EVIDENCE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INVITED TO THAT CONVERSATION.

AND YOU'RE SEEING THE NUMBERS HERE THAT CAME THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE, POP UP EVENTS. I WAS HONORED TO BE HERE FOR YOUR WONDERFUL EVENTS, THE COTTONWOOD FESTIVAL.

ESPECIALLY WAS A LOT OF FUN.

BUT REALLY SPENDING TIME AT THOSE EVENTS, MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.

THE PROJECT WEBSITE, THAT'S THAT ENGAGEMENT PORTAL THAT I DESCRIBED HAD OVER NEARLY 1200 VISITORS. AND THEN WE HAD 64 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.

AND FOR MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS, WHEN YOU ADD THOSE ALL UP, THAT'S OVER 70,000 TOUCH POINTS.

SO AGAIN. THAT SHOWS HOW STRONGLY WE PURSUED.

INVITING PEOPLE TO THE CONVERSATION.

AND HERE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE SITES WHERE WE CONDUCTED POP UPS.

I WAS AT EVERY ONE OF THESE IN FACT, BUT EVERYWHERE FROM ISLAND COFFEE TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT DALLAS, OF COURSE, THE ISEMAN CENTER.

WE WERE THERE FOR OPENING NIGHT OF THE SYMPHONY THIS PAST YEAR, AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT CAME IN THAT FRONT DOOR GOT AN INVITATION WITH A BUSINESS CARD PRESSED INTO THEIR HAND WITH THE QR CODE TO THE PROJECT AND AN INVITATION DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS.

BUT THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF OUR POP UP ENGAGEMENTS, INCLUDING CHINATOWN AND VISITING SHOPPERS THERE IN THE CENTER AND DINERS, LAKEWOOD DISTILLING COMPANY, AND OF COURSE, COTTONWOOD PARK AT THE SAID EVENT. SO WE START TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HEARD, AND WE START BY FIRST LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PROFILE AND KIND OF GIVING SOME HIGH LEVEL OVERSIGHTS.

AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU CAN GO AS DEEP AS YOU WANT.

THERE'S TONS AND TONS OF DATA IN THE FULL REPORT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.

BUT YOUR ANNUAL GROWTH RATE IS PROJECTED TO BE 0.76%.

AND AGAIN THESE ARE FUNDING FINDINGS THROUGH ESRI AND ARCGIS BUSINESS ANALYSTS.

SO A COMBINATION OF CENSUS DATA AS WELL AS THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY AND OTHER SOURCES. BUT IT'S THE INDUSTRY'S STANDARD FOR PULLING THESE NUMBERS.

YOUR OLDER POPULATION, INTERESTINGLY, IS EXPECTED TO GROW.

SO LESS YOUNG FOLKS AND A LITTLE OLDER AUDIENCE, WHICH WOULD TRANSLATE TO SOME CONSIDERATIONS MAYBE AROUND PROGRAMING AND DIVERSITY IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE.

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WE ALSO PULLED SOME TOURISM DATA BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.

OBVIOUSLY YOU SERVE YOUR RESIDENTS.

BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM.

AND YOU DO GET A LOT OF OUT OF TOWN GUESTS.

WE PULLED NUMBERS THAT SAID 627,000 OVERNIGHT STAYS IN 2024, AND THAT'S NEARLY A RETURN TO PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS.

WE ALSO SHOW HOW MUCH THESE VISITORS SPEND.

IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE 184.3 MILLION IN 2024.

INTERESTINGLY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OVERNIGHT VISITORS ORIGINATE FROM WITHIN TEXAS.

NOW, THESE NUMBERS HAVE A MINIMUM OF TEN MILES, SO IT'S VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE OF TEN MILES, AND THEY'RE OVERNIGHT VISITORS.

MEANING THAT THEY'RE SPENDING TIME HERE IN THE CITY.

INTERESTINGLY, VISITORS ARE LIKELY TO STAY 3 TO 7 NIGHTS AS THEY ARE TO STAY A SINGLE NIGHT, AND YOU SEE SOME GRAPHIC INTERPRETATION OF THAT DATA BELOW.

WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? AND HERE'S A MAP THAT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THAT TRAFFIC ORIGINATES.

AGAIN, THE DARKER THE COLOR, THE DARKER THE PURPLE.

YOU'RE GETTING UP TOWARDS 100,000 PEOPLE AND YOUR HIGHEST NUMBERS IN THE HOUSTON AREA.

BUT THEN OF COURSE, YOUR OWN METROPOLITAN AREA OUTSIDE OF THAT TEN MILE RADIUS AND YOU'RE SEEING OTHER CLUSTERS.

ARIZONA IN THE PHOENIX AREA, ATLANTA, GEORGIA EVEN IN COLORADO.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON A MORE PERSONAL LEVEL WITH START WITH OUR STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS.

OF COURSE, WE WANT TO SPEND TIME TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST PASSIONATE IN THE ARTS. THIS IS A PHOTO YOU'RE SEEING OF OUR ARTS GRANTS RECIPIENTS DURING THEIR SPRING WORKSHOP. IN THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO THEY ALSO SAW.

THEY ALSO PARTICIPATED IN OUR VISIONING EXERCISE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.

BUT IN A NUTSHELL, EVERYTHING COMES DOWN TO A SIMPLE ECONOMICS.

IT'S HARD TO BE AN ARTS ORGANIZATION IN A CHALLENGING TIME AND A CHALLENGING MARKET.

AND SO THEIR MOST FREQUENTLY MENTIONED NEEDS PROBABLY IN NO SURPRISE.

BUT AFFORDABILITY, WHETHER THAT'S INDOOR PERFORMANCE OR REHEARSAL SPACE, AN AFFORDABLE ART STUDIO SPACE, PLACES TO MAKE ART, ARTIST HOUSING. AS AN AREA THAT HAS HIGH PROPERTY VALUES, IT'S HARD TO SOMETIMES GET A FOOT IN THE DOOR AND SO PLACES TO MAKE ART, BUT ALSO A PLACE TO HOUSE ARTISTS.

AND THEN ANOTHER FREQUENTLY MENTIONED NEED WAS AN INTEREST IN A CENTRALIZED ARTS DISTRICT. WHEN WE BROADEN THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, THESE ARE JUST HIGH LEVEL FINDINGS.

AGAIN, YOU CAN GO QUESTION BY QUESTION AND KIND OF GET SOME SPECIFICS FOR EACH QUESTION, BUT THE MAJORITY. RICHARDSON HIGHLY VALUES ARTS AND CULTURE.

IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, BUT NONETHELESS, THE MAJORITY OF RESPONDENTS ACTUALLY SEEK THEIR CULTURAL FULFILLMENT ELSEWHERE.

43% OF RESPONDENTS DO NOT FEEL THERE ARE ENOUGH CULTURAL OPPORTUNITIES IN RICHARDSON.

NOW, WHAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SAY IS WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT PROGRAMS. THAT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO TEASE OUT, BUT WE KNOW THAT 43% SAID THERE'S NOT ENOUGH.

35% OF RESIDENTS HAVE NEVER VISITED THE ISEMAN CENTER.

YET AT THE SAME TIME, 1 IN 3 RESPONDENTS OF OUR SURVEY ROUTINELY TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF THE CITY IN PURSUIT OF CULTURAL ENRICHMENT.

WHEN ASKED ABOUT BARRIERS TO PARTICIPATION, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, THE TOP THREE BARRIERS WERE A LACK OF AWARENESS, SIMPLY NOT KNOWING WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

A LACK OF INTEREST. MAYBE IT'S NOT THEIR CUP OF TEA OR THEIR PERCEPTIONS IS THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED. BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW EVERYTHING.

AND A LACK OF FREE TIME.

OF COURSE. THAT'S. ALL OF US ARE CHALLENGED WITH SO MUCH DEMAND ON OUR TIMES THESE DAYS, IT'S HARD TO CARVE OUT.

SO THAT ONE I TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT WHEN IT COMES TO UNMET NEEDS.

ONE ITEM REALLY STOOD OUT AND THAT WAS LIVE MUSIC.

IF I HEARD THAT ONCE, I HEARD IT 100 TIMES.

PEOPLE WANT MORE LIVE MUSIC.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, COMMUNITY EVENTS, THEY'RE GREATLY CHERISHED HERE. NO SURPRISE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SUCH GREAT ONES THROUGH YOUR MUSIC FESTIVAL AND YOUR ART FESTIVAL, THEY'D LIKE TO SEE MORE VISUAL ART OPPORTUNITIES, MORE GALLERY SPACES, MORE EXHIBITIONS AND THEATRICAL PRODUCTIONS.

NOW, THIS ONE I FOUND REALLY QUITE PECULIAR.

OBVIOUSLY A HIGHER INCOME BRACKET HERE IN TOWN,

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MOST RESIDENTS PREFER TO SPEND A MAXIMUM OF $50 PER PERSON FOR A CULTURAL ACTIVITY.

SO. WE TOOK ALL OF THIS DATA THAT WE GOT FROM ALL THESE VARIOUS SOURCES AND WE SAID, OKAY, LET'S SORT IT OUT BY PRIORITY.

WHAT ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ITEMS? HOW OFTEN DID WE HEAR IT? THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE THE GREATEST UNMET NEEDS.

YOU'VE GOT YOUR MEDIUM PRIORITIES. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR. YOU HAVE A SECTION HERE THAT SAYS LOW PRIORITY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

IT'S IN RELATION TO THOSE OTHER THINGS.

THESE ARE STILL THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, BUT MAYBE PEOPLE AREN'T AS VOCAL ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEIR NEEDS ARE MET.

THERE'S NO WAY TO LOW PRIORITY MEAN IT'S UNIMPORTANT.

THEY'RE STILL IMPORTANT.

IT'S JUST LOWER IN COMPARISON.

BUT YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY WOULD BE MORE LIVE MUSIC, MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS, MORE DIVERSITY IN PROGRAMING, MODERNIZING THE GRANTS PROGRAM.

AND THAT CAME UP MOSTLY THROUGH OUR INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.

BUT IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY.

IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACHIEVING WHAT WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE WITH IT.

ONGOING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

PEOPLE WERE REALLY EXCITED TO PARTICIPATE, REALLY THANKFUL TO BE INVITED TO THE CONVERSATION AND WANTED TO CONTINUE MARKETING AND AWARENESS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE HEAR THIS IN EVERY COMMUNITY I'VE EVER BEEN IN.

IT'S ALWAYS MORE MARKETING, MORE COMMUNICATIONS, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF HOW DIFFICULT COMMUNICATION IS. IT'S IN NO WAY A JUDGMENT OF THE FINE WORK YOU'RE DOING.

THERE'S JUST ALWAYS ROOM FOR GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT TO MORE PEOPLE.

THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF COMMUNICATIONS IN GENERAL AND THE FOCUS ON INNOVATION AND CREATIVITY.

I THINK THAT'S MORE IN THE SPIRIT OF THESE EVENTS ARE GREAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO ONE AFTER YEAR 20, MAYBE THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE SOME OTHER IDEAS.

JUST SOME VARIETY. THAT'S REALLY, I THINK, WHAT THAT CAPTURES YOUR MEDIUM PRIORITY ITEMS A TOURISM BRAND, FOCUS ON CULINARY EVENTS, SUPPORTING THE CREATIVE COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS WAYS, MORE LIVE THEATER, MORE ART EXHIBITIONS, A COMMUNITY SCALED INDOOR VENUE THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE ISEMAN CENTER AND THEN ARTS COMMISSION QUALIFICATIONS.

JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE DIVERSITY ON THE BOARD AND PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS INCLUDED.

AND AS MANY PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND YOUR LOWER PRIORITIES.

AGAIN, IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS EXERCISE WHERE PUBLIC ART VISUAL ARTS INSTRUCTION, MUSICAL INSTRUMENT INSTRUCTION, DANCE AND LITERARY EVENTS.

SO WE HAVE ALL OF THESE POINTS OF DATA, AND WE HAVE ALL OF THEM SORTED BY PRIORITIES.

NOW, WHAT DO WE DO? HOW DO WE TRANSLATE THIS INTO.

AND IT'S NOT VERY DONE.

JUST SAYING. HERE'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

NOW THIS IS A COLLABORATION.

SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY AGAIN TO SAY HERE'S WHAT WE HEARD.

DID WE GET IT RIGHT? FIRST OFF, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE EXPLORED FURTHER LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN AFTER THAT CONVERSATION AND EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT, WE SIT DOWN AND WE DO THE HARD WORK. AND THANK YOU TO I DON'T MEAN TO CALL YOU OUT HERE CURTIS, BUT THERE YOU ARE. AS PART OF OUR COMMISSION.

BUT WE ALSO DID THIS EXERCISE WITH OTHER GROUPS AS WELL, BUT IT'S BASICALLY OLD SENTENCE STRIPS. IT'S A IT'S A FAVORITE WAY OF FACILITATING THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

BUT IT'S HOW DO WE MAKE THESE ACTIONABLE ITEMS NOW AND TOUCH UPON ALL OF THEM.

AND SO YOU'RE SEEING THAT PROCESS AS IT PLAYED OUT DURING ONE OF THOSE SESSIONS.

THERE WE ARE WRITING UP IDEAS, OBJECTIVES, VOTING UP, VOTING DOWN, PRIORITIZING THAT SORT OF THING.

WHICH BRINGS US TO OUR OBJECTIVES.

AND THERE ARE FIVE OF THEM.

I'M GOING TO GO PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA, BUT OUR FIRST ONE WAS TO IMPROVE AWARENESS OF CULTURAL OPPORTUNITIES IN RICHARDSON.

AND THESE ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO SHORT TERM, MID-TERM AND LONG TERM TIMELINES.

I'LL JUST DO A REALLY QUICK TOUCH ON THEM, MAXIMIZE AND BUILD UPON THE SUCCESS OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS BY PRESENTING THESE FINDINGS TO DIVERSE AND STRATEGIC OFFERINGS.

SO MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT QUITE AT ADOPTION YET, BUT THIS IS THE DRAFT.

BUT WHEN IT IS ADOPTED, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF IT AND CELEBRATING IT AND HELPING TO AMPLIFY THAT MESSAGING, ESTABLISH A REGULAR CADENCE OF MEETINGS WITH LOCAL ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND KEY PARTNERS LIKE UTD, WHO WE MET WITH DURING THIS PROCESS, BUT FOCUSING ON HOW WE CAN COLLABORATIVELY PROMOTE.

AND THAT'S REALLY WORKING SMARTER, NOT HARDER.

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AND THEN I REQUEST COLLABORATIVE SUPPORT FROM GRANT RECIPIENTS TO HELP AMPLIFY AGAIN THAT MESSAGE. FOR THE MIDTERM, WE HAVE DEVELOPING A NEW LIFESTYLE BRAND FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. AND ALONG WITH IT, AN ANNUAL MARKETING STRATEGY, BUT GIVING IT A FRESH BRAND AND SOME NEW ENERGY AND STRATEGICALLY GROWING REGIONAL VISITATION THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP OR COLLABORATION WITH THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN.

I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PLANS.

BUT IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

AND THEN LONG TERM REDESIGN AND RELAUNCH THE CURRENT RICHARDSON'S CULTURAL ARTS WEBSITE.

AND THAT'S REALLY PRIORITIZING DESIGN AND FUNCTIONALITY.

NOT NOT THAT IT'S NOT SERVING AN IMPORTANT NEED NOW, BUT TAKING A HARD LOOK AT IS IT EASY TO USE? IS IT PROVIDING WHAT WE WANTED TO.

ABOUT SORT OF THING. AND DESIGNING AND LAUNCHING AN ANCILLARY ARTS AND CULTURE NEWSLETTER, ALL PART OF THIS LONG TERM VISION OF HOW DO WE PROMOTE ENERGY AND PASSION AND VIBRANCY INTO PROMOTIONAL EFFORTS? OUR SECOND OBJECTIVE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO DIVERSIFY RICHARDSON'S CULTURAL OFFERINGS, SO AUDIT THE CURRENT OFFERINGS TO DETERMINE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

ARE WE GETTING OUT OF IT, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GETTING OUT OF IT, OR WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING OUT OF IT? AND IF THERE ARE UNDERPERFORMING EVENTS, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO REALLOCATE FUNDS TO THINGS AND TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

CONSIDER ONGOING ANNUAL SURVEYS TO HELP ADAPT TO THOSE EVER CHANGING INTERESTS.

THINGS ARE CHANGING QUICKLY.

KEEPING ABREAST OF PREFERENCES IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND THEN PURSUE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL COLLABORATIONS WITH PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS AS A WAY TO EXPAND OFFERINGS WITH LIMITED BUDGET RESOURCES.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY INVEST IN EVERYTHING SOLELY ON ON THE CITY'S SHOULDERS.

AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS PLAN IS NOT MEANT TO SAY THAT IT'S THE CITY'S SOLE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THIS, BUT IT IS IDENTIFYING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATING, SHARING RESOURCES.

AND, YOU KNOW, RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS TYPE APPROACH TO ARTS AND CULTURE.

MIDTERM WOULD BE CONTINUE TO DIVERSIFY PROGRAMS AND REACH NEW AUDIENCES AND INTRODUCE EVENTS THAT ALIGN WITH UNMET NEEDS, SUCH AS LIVE MUSIC. AND I MENTIONED THE CULINARY EVENTS.

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MID-TERM, LONG TERM.

EXPLORE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AND FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S DESIRES FOR MORE FESTIVALS AND EVENTS.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY ARE EXPENSIVE, SO LOOK AT WHAT ARE SOME OTHER WAYS TO GENERATE THAT REVENUE.

WHETHER IT'S THROUGH COULD BE ANY, ANY MEANS REALLY.

WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? EXPLORE THE CREATION OF A MULTI-PURPOSE COMMUNITY ARTS CENTER.

AND THE KEY HERE WOULD BE ONE THAT HAS FLEXIBILITY SO THAT IT CAN BE USED AS A BLACK BOX THEATER. IT COULD BE USED AS A GALLERY, IT COULD BE STUDIO SPACE ALL UNDER ONE ROOF.

SO NOTHING IS SET, AND IT CAN ONLY BE ONE HAVING MOVABLE ELEMENTS AND THAT FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO IT. THE OBJECTIVE FOR NUMBER THREE WOULD BE TO SUPPORT GROWTH OF RICHARDSON'S CREATIVE COMMUNITY. AGAIN, NOT TO SAYING THAT THIS FALLS SOLELY ON ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE CITY, BUT EXPLORE WHAT IS THE VIABILITY OF LOW COST STUDIO SPACE, RENTALS OR ARTIST HOUSING BASED ON IDENTIFIED GAPS OR OPPORTUNITIES? MAYBE IN THE UPCOMING HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, MAYBE THAT COULD BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

IDENTIFY WAYS TO STREAMLINE AND SIMPLIFY THE GRANTS APPLICATION APPLICATION, AND REALLY FOCUS ON PROMOTING TO GROWING AND EMERGING ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.

MID-TERM WOULD BE TO PROVIDE NEW WAYS TO SUPPORT LOCAL MUSICIANS AND CREATIVES, AND EXPLORE INCENTIVES FOR ATTRACTING AND RETAINING CREATIVE INDUSTRIES AND ARTISTS.

IN RICHARDSON, LONG TERM COLLABORATE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO ATTRACT CULTURAL AND ENTERTAINMENT ATTRACTIONS TO RICHARDSON.

EXPLORE CONSTRUCTION OF AN OUTDOOR PERFORMANCE SPACE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE LIVE MUSIC THAT WOULD BE LONG TERM, AND DEVELOP NEW WAYS TO SUPPORT INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS AND EMERGING CREATIVES, SUCH AS A STIPEND PROGRAM.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HUGE, BUT EVERY LITTLE BIT WOULD HELP TO FOSTER THAT CREATIVE SPIRIT. THAT WOULD BE A PART FROM THE ARTS GRANT PROGRAM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, PLAN AND EFFECTIVE CULTURAL TOURISM STRATEGY.

THIS IS A DIRECT CARRYOVER FROM THE 2013 REPORT, BUT IMPLEMENT THE PUBLIC ART MAINTENANCE PRACTICES RECOMMENDED IN THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN. CONSIDER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT FOCUSED ON LIVE MUSIC AND DINING. AND WE DO HAVE CONSIDERATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT ON WHAT THAT MEANS AND THE SORT OF THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO MAKING THAT DECISION.

OH, I'M SORRY I JUMPED THE LONG TERM. LET ME BACK UP AND SAY MID-TERM, EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SYNERGY WITH THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU, AS WELL AS

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AND THAT GOES INTO DEFINING A CULTURAL DISTRICT AND SEEKING DESIGNATION.

AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A REFINEMENT ON FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT REMEMBER THE THE 2013 PLAN, THE FOCUS WAS ON CREATIVE CLUSTERS, AND THIS IS MORE OF A MANAGEABLE STEP TOWARDS THAT SAME CONCEPT, BUT IT'S FOCUSING ON A SINGLE CULTURAL DISTRICT TO GET THAT PROCESS STARTED. IT'S A LITTLE MORE MANAGEABLE, BUT DETERMINE THE BEST LOCATION AND THERE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER LIKE ZONING ISSUES, AVAILABLE, SPACE NOISE AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, THE RISK OF GENTRIFICATION, ITS REAL SCHEDULE ORIENTATION MEETING WITH THE TEXAS COMMISSION OF THE ARTS.

THEIR PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY ON A ROLLING ANNUAL BASIS.

SO EVERY YEAR NEW PEOPLE CAN APPLY TO THE PROGRAM.

BUT THERE'S A LETTER OF INTENT DUE EVERY JANUARY 31ST.

AND THEN LONG TERM, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO COMMIT TO IT, YOU SUBMIT A LETTER OF INTENT THAT'S DUE EVERY JANUARY 31ST.

YOU COMPLETE AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION THAT SAME YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE JUNE 15TH OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.

AND THEN THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE AN ANNUAL REPORT ONGOING.

AND EVERY TEN YEARS YOU NEED TO BE RECERTIFIED.

NOW, I KNOW WE WENT REALLY QUICKLY THROUGH ALL OF THOSE STRATEGIES AND OBJECTIVES, AND IT'S A LOT TO PROCESS.

AND YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE PLAN, AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH IT AND WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK ON IT.

BUT THAT REALLY IS THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE FEEDBACK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

AND AFTER WHICH TIME I'LL BE WORKING WITH MICHAELA TO MAKE FINAL EDITS TO THE DOCUMENT BEFORE IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL ADOPTION.

SO THAT'S A WHIRLWIND PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. WELL RICK AND JAMES, BOTH OF YOU HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB.

AND THANK YOU FOR FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS TERMING OUT THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION ON THE LAST MASTER PLAN, A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU WENT OVER WERE STILL CONTINUING TO WORK ON BECAUSE THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT JUST BUILT OVERNIGHT.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK MICHAELA AND THE ENTIRE COMMISSION FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THEY PUT IN, BECAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF HOURS, A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF DEDICATION, AND YOU HAVE TO REALLY THINK THINGS THROUGH AND COME UP WITH WHAT KIND OF STRATEGY AND WHAT TYPE OF GOALS THAT THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

BUT I WANTED TO BRING A, I BRING A POINT TO A FEW FEW THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED. ONE, I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THAT YOU'RE NOT REBUILDING THE PLAN WHICH CERTAINLY DON'T NEED A REBUILD, A PLAN THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY FINISHED, BUT TAGGING ON TO THE EXISTING PLAN AND ADDING OUR PERFECTING THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST TEN PLUS YEARS.

AND I DO LIKE TO HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE LIST WE'RE ALREADY IMPLEMENTING. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE ICEMAN ALI HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ON DIVERSIFYING THE VENUE AND BRINGING IN A MORE DIVERSIFIED TYPE ARTIST AND PROFILING TO MEET THE THE CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS FOR CITY OF RICHARDSON.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

AND TO THAT POINT, YOU MENTIONED ON ONE OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES, I NOTICED THAT MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION WAS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT WE IF IF YOU'RE EMBEDDED IN RICHARDSON, YOU KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS. YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE HERE IN THE CITY. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT.

BUT MARKETING IT AND BRINGING IT, BRINGING AWARENESS TO IT IS IMPORTANT.

AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION TEN YEARS AGO, AND WE'VE HAD IT EVERY, EVERY YEAR SINCE THEN. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT.

MOVING FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE LOCALLY, BUT FOR PEOPLE COMING TO THE CITY.

AND AND WE CERTAINLY WANT THE TOURS TOURISM BECAUSE OF COURSE THAT PAYS FOR A LOT OF OUR CULTURAL ARTS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPLEMENT THAT, A BETTER WAY OF DOING IT.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT MEDIUMS THAT THAT WE USE CURRENTLY, WHETHER IT'S WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA RICHARDSON TODAY, BUT THERE'S IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH.

I ALWAYS FOCUS, I ALWAYS HEAR EVERYONE'S LIKE, SAY, WHERE WHERE CAN I GO TO SEE A LIVE PERFORMANCE OR A PLAY? AND THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES HERE AT RICHARDSON TO DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE UNAWARE OF IT.

THE OTHER THING, TOO, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE YEARS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE. I'D LIKE TO SEE AN

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WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR SO MANY YEARS, ABOUT HAVING A SPACE, A COLLABORATIVE SPACE THAT WOULD ALLOW EITHER PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY INSTALLATIONS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO ENGAGE NOT JUST IN RICHARDSON, BUT PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER.

I THINK THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT AS WE PLAN THIS.

AND AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE LONG, LONG TERM.

BUT BUT I DO THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR SO LONG NOW.

AND I THINK WITH RICHARDSON GROWING IN THE DIRECTION THAT IT IS I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO START SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING.

WHERE IS IT GOING TO GO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF SPACE AND THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO FILL UP AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DO WE WANT THAT ENTERTAINMENT? AND I HONESTLY FEEL IT SHOULD BE IN THE CORE DISTRICT INTER URBAN AREA, DOWNTOWN, MAIN STREET AREA, SOMEWHERE IN THAT ZONE.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR THAT AND WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

AND ALSO TO TAG ON TO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED AND ENGAGED WITH OVER THE YEARS IS A LOT OF THE CULTURAL ARTS.

WELL, THE ART GROUPS WILL CALL THEM.

THEY HAVE ALWAYS WANTED A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN COLLABORATE.

AND I THINK THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE GROUPS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT HAVING A DINNER THEATER.

HOW CAN MAYBE, FOR EXAMPLE PUTTING THE RICHARDSON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DOWN IN THE PIT WHERE WE HAVE A LIVE PERFORMANCE ON STAGE.

YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE CALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE I LOVE LUCY SHOW.

WE'LL CALL IT BUT SOMETHING THAT IS INFORMAL AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO ENGAGE AND, AND ALSO BRINGS THAT COVERS THREE THINGS.

IT COVERS ENTERTAINMENT.

IT BRINGS SOME OF THE GROUPS TOGETHER.

AND IT CAN POTENTIALLY BE IN ANY SPACE WHETHER IT'S THE ICEMAN OR ANY OTHER TYPES OF COLLABORATIVE SPACE. ALSO, YOU MENTIONED THERE'S 43% OF THAT SAYS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MARKETING AGAIN.

SO I REALLY WASN'T SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNICATIONS AND THE WAY WE MARKET EVEN THOUGH WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB FOR RICHARDSON, I JUST FIGURED, WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO TO BETTER THAT AND BRING THAT NUMBER. BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN.

THE DIVERSITY AND THE COLLABORATION.

I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY I SAW YOUR CHART THERE.

THAT IS CERTAINLY GOING TO INCREASE OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS.

SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AND WHAT TYPE OF GROUPS THAT WE ARE CATERING TO AND WHAT AND WHAT WE DO TO FACILITATE THAT.

AND LAST I WANT TO MENTION, I KNOW A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE BUDGET SENSITIVE. AND EVEN THOUGH CONSIDERING OUR OUR BUDGET THAT'S COMING UP.

AND OUR FUTURE BUDGETS, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS IMMEDIATELY. AND SOME OF THESE MIGHT HAVE TO BE PLANNED OUT ACCORDINGLY.

WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE WHAT, WHAT PARTS ARE PLANNED AND WHAT PARTS GET PUSHED FURTHER OUT.

WHAT PARTS AND STRATEGIES DO WE DO IMPLEMENT HERE? TODAY. SO AGAIN, VERY GOOD JOB.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD SO EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF HEAR THE THOUGHTS.

THERE'S A LOT MORE IN THIS PLAN THAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I'LL ALLOW SOME OTHERS TO TO CHIME IN. THANK YOU.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I I WAS SURPRISED, AND I WASN'T SURPRISED.

KIND OF LIKE COUNCILMAN DORIAN, ABOUT THE MARKETING PIECE.

I THINK WE TALK ABOUT IT A LOT. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE MARK IT IN, LIKE, 7 OR 8 DIFFERENT WAYS ALREADY. AND SO I WILL BE VERY CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT WE COME BACK WITH.

THAT WILL BE A NEW WAY OF MARKETING.

BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CLEARLY NEED IT, BUT I'M NOT I'M I'M NOT CREATIVE ENOUGH, I GUESS, TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NINTH WAY WOULD BE. AND SO I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.

I, I AGREE, IT'S A GREAT PLAN.

I ENJOYED READING THROUGH IT THIS WEEKEND. IT I LOVE HOW MANY PICTURES AND GRAPHS AND ART, QUITE FRANKLY, HOW ARTSY IT IS.

IT'S IT MADE IT EASY TO READ AND THEN SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SORT OF FLIP THROUGH.

SO. I ENJOYED READING IT THIS WEEKEND, BUT I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION.

JUST I KNOW IN RECEIVING REPORTS FROM COUNCILMAN DORIAN AND COUNCILMAN HUDSON, WRITER WHO HAVE LIAISED TO THE COMMISSION.

ABOUT SORT OF HOW TIME INTENSIVE THE ARTS GRANT PROCESS IS, BUT I WAS I WAS SURPRISED, I GUESS, HERE ABOUT HOW MUCH OF AN EMPHASIS THERE IS ON SORT OF OVERHAULING THAT PROCESS.

CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT THAT FEEDBACK WAS AND WHAT THE DESIRE IS FOR OVERHAULING AND IN WHAT WAY? YOU KNOW, IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE AND ASKING FINANCIALLY PRUDENT QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO NOT BEING NOT CREATING AN ONEROUS PROCESS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH,

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WHERE CAN THINGS BE STREAMLINED IS SIMPLIFIED, ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGING.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT DOING EMERGING ARTISTS AS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROCESS.

BUT YOU'D WANT THAT TO BE AND ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR DELIVERABLES THAT'S NOT IN THE REPORT, NOT NECESSARILY EVERYTHING IS IN THE REPORT, BUT WE DID SOME OTHER RESEARCH AND SOME WE'RE GOING TO BE OFFERING SOME SPECIFIC FEEDBACKS ON HOW WHAT AN APPLICATION PROCESS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, OR A METRICS FOR MAKING DECISIONS THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE QUITE SO MUCH OF A HEAVY BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT.

OKAY. SO NOW I SAY THAT CAREFULLY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS HERE.

AND SO YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE YEAH A FOUNDATION.

YEAH A FOUNDATION. AND SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FEEDBACK WAS FROM, FROM THE, THE ARTS COMMUNITY ITSELF, NOT REALLY FROM THE COMMISSION OR WAS IT FROM BOTH SIDES THAT IT FELT BOTH SIDES.

OKAY. ON BOTH SIDES. YEAH.

OKAY. YEAH. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. AND SORT OF LISTENING THROUGH THE PLAN AND AND READING THIS THIS WEEKEND WAS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I HAD HEARD THAT IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO GO THROUGH ALL THE APPLICATIONS, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE WAS THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW ONEROUS IT WAS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S INTERESTING TO HEAR.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. AND I SAW YOU OUT AT COTTONWOOD.

I KNOW YOU WERE OUT THERE REALLY GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND IT WAS APPARENT YOU WERE YOU WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND IT SHOWS. IT'S A REALLY GREAT PLAN.

SO THANK YOU. IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE, I ASSURE YOU.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN INCENTIVE. WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED ART FROM PRODUCERS OF ART AT THE FESTIVAL, THE FEATURED ARTISTS, AND THEN WE HAD ELIGIBILITY TO WIN ONE OF THOSE PRINTS. IF YOU COMPLETED THE SURVEY AND WE DID DRAWINGS, IT WAS REALLY FUN. YEAH.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHAMSUL THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THANKS FOR YOUR WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.

BUT STILL I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

ABSOLUTELY. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A FEW THINGS.

YOU KNOW, ON ON YOUR REPORT, I THINK THAT'S THE PAGE 14.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IS YOUR SLIDE WOULD BE.

IS THE MAP? NOT THIS ONE IS THE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THE MAP.

THE GIS MAP. IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE STATE THAT SHOWS THAT WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM.

AND DO YOU KNOW THAT? WHAT IS WORKING? YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT? WHAT'S MAKING THEM TO VISIT AND HOW WE ARE ATTRACTING THOSE PEOPLE? YOU KNOW, FROM ARIZONA. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM UTAH.

NEVADA. SO WHAT'S WORKING IN ARIZONA AND WHY NOT NEVADA? WELL, THE QUICK ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, WE DON'T KNOW THIS.

THIS IS A GENERATED FROM PLACER I IT'S VISITATION DATA.

SO THE WAY IT'S PULLING THIS IS FROM ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO YOUR CITY THEIR CELL PHONE SIGNALS AND THEIR UNIQUE IDENTIFIERS, WHICH IS COMPLETELY ANONYMIZED. I WANT TO BE CLEAR. WHEN YOU'RE USING PLACER AI, EVERYTHING IS SCRUBBED. IT'S FULLY ANONYMOUS.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING TO DETERMINE THIS.

SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEASURE MOTIVATION OR WHAT'S ATTRACTING THEM.

IT'S JUST SIMPLY WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM.

AND WHEN THEY'RE PAST THE THRESHOLD FOR BEING IN YOUR TOWN, PAST THE THAT TEN HOUR THRESHOLD OR THAT WHAT'S CALLED A VISITATION NIGHT, THAT'S HOW IT'S REGISTERING THEM.

SO WE DON'T KNOW THE INTENT.

IN TERMS OF BUSINESS VERSUS PLEASURE.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D WISH TO EXPLORE FURTHER IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU. AS YOU CONTINUE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT YOUR VISITOR DATA.

YEAH, THAT'S GOOD, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW. ADVERTISEMENT.

WE CAN DO 20 DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE ARE NOT REALLY WORKING, THEN WHAT'S WORKING? I MEAN, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, THAT'S PART OF THE PART OF THE CHALLENGE. AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO COME, EVEN IF IT IS FOR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE. IF THEY'RE WORKING ALL DAY, MAYBE THEY WANT TO COME SEE A SHOW AT NIGHT AT THE ISEMAN CENTER. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S STILL RELEVANT DATA. I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. GOOD.

THAT'S. THAT'S GREAT. NOW I HAVE ANOTHER DATA THAT I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S AFFORDABILITY THAT YOU HAVE.

THAT'S THAT'S ON YOUR REPORT HAS PAGE 18, BUT THIS IS OH, I'M GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.

THAT $50 THING THAT YOU SAID.

YEAH. AND THEN THAT REFERS TO A SPECIFIC QUESTION.

IT'LL BE IN THE REPORT.

BUT WE DID ASK PEOPLE.

WHAT'S THE MOST YOU'D BE WILLING TO SPEND ON A NIGHT OUT PER PERSON? AND THE AVERAGE WAS THE HIGHEST WAS AROUND $50.

THAT'S. YEAH. WHICH ISN'T MUCH, I CAN TELL YOU.

I MEAN, NO, I MEAN, IT'S IT COULD BE A LOT.

IT COULD BE NOTHING IF IT IS JUST PER EVENT.

IT'S A LOT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HOW OFTEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DATA THAT SHOWS HOW OFTEN THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SPEND THAT MUCH FOR THE MAX IN A YEAR? NO. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER TO TO DO A ONGOING.

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BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE CONTEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PEOPLE YOU DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE ANYBODY FROM ENJOYING ARTS AND CULTURE, AND ARTS AND CULTURE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVE.

IT CAN BE VERY INEXPENSIVE.

IT'S JUST A TEMPERATURE READING FOR THINGS LIKE LARGE SCALE PRODUCTIONS AT THE ICEMAN.

BUT, BUT BUT BY ALL MEANS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM, REGARDLESS OF INCOME, TO ENJOY ARTS AND CULTURE.

ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, YOU WANT TO ATTRACT VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE.

THEY COULD SPEND THAT MONEY WITH THE CITY PROGRAM, CITY EVENT, OR IT COULD BE SOME PRIVATE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE TOWN OR NEIGHBORING CITIES. AS LONG AS WE HAVE PEOPLE FLOWING, IT'S LIKE A BLOOD FLOWING THROUGH THE BODY.

SO THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DATA IS IMPORTANT. THE OTHER THINGS YOU SAID THAT LIVE EVENTS, LIVE MUSIC. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION OR RANGE OF RECOMMENDATION THAT HOW THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED? I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE ARE DOING THESE THINGS. ABSOLUTELY.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE ATTRACTING A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE.

I THINK HONESTLY, LIVE MUSIC COULD BE LOW HANGING FRUIT FOR THE CITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE EXPENSIVE.

IT CAN BE DONE IN A PUBLIC SETTING.

FOR FREE TO NO COST, BUT A VERY, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM PRODUCTION COSTS, WHICH CAN BE EXPENSIVE, YOU CAN HIRE A BAND FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS. AND I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT J.R.

IS A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN, AND HE IS PERFORMING THIS THURSDAY NIGHT.

I'LL BE SEEING HIS BAND.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT ONLY CONSULTANTS, BUT WE ARE ARTISTS OURSELVES.

AND WE HAVE WALKED IN YOUR SHOES.

SORRY, JR. I HAD TO PUT IN THAT PLUG FOR YOU.

LIVE MUSIC. YEAH. MAYBE WE CAN PUT A TRACKER SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE HE'S GOING AND PERFORMING, AND WE JUST GO THERE. NO IDEA WHAT HAS BEEN NEEDED. BUT IF I MAY JUST ADD THAT I THINK LIVE MUSIC IS REALLY ALSO ABOUT THAT COMMUNAL EXPERIENCE.

FRANKLY, PEOPLE ENJOY BEING AROUND OTHER PEOPLE ENJOYING LIVE MUSIC AS A COMMUNAL EXPERIENCE. NO, THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION, I THINK.

YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW EVENTS AT THE DOWNTOWN RICHARDSON I CALL DOWNTOWN. IT IS DOWNTOWN.

AND OUR CITY CENTER. YOU KNOW, EVENTS LIKE, EVERY WEEK.

BUT DEFINITELY THAT WILL HAPPEN, LIKE, NATURALLY, ORGANICALLY, WITHOUT ANY TAX MONEY.

SO JERRY COULD BE COMING HERE, BUT OF COURSE, I WANT HIM TO MAKE MONEY SOMETIME. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE, ENJOY THOSE THINGS.

SO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAVE TO PAY OUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS NOT TAX MONEY.

BUT THAT CAN HAPPEN. YEAH.

AND AGAIN, I ALSO WANT TO USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EMPHASIZE THAT EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN YOUR SHOES, AND I'VE WORKED IN MUNICIPAL ARTS AND CULTURES FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF THIS ON ITS OWN.

IT'S FINDING THOSE PARTNERSHIPS. IT'S ABOUT LEVERAGING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, ABOUT HAVING FRIENDLY POLICIES, EVEN IF IT'S MAYBE I SHOULDN'T OPEN THE BUSKING DOOR, BUT EVEN JUST HAVING LIVE MUSICIANS IN YOUR COMMON SPACES AND POLICIES THAT ALLOW THAT BECAUSE THAT DIY ETHIC, IF YOU WILL, BUT DO IT YOURSELF ETHOS REALLY GOES A LONG WAY IN HELPING TO BUILD A THRIVING ARTS COMMUNITY. ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS CAN MAKE THE MONEY WHEN THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING IN IN THE AREA SO THEY CAN TAKE THE INITIATIVE AND TAKE THE LEAD, AND WE CAN ENJOY THE MUSIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

EVERYONE WIN. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, THANK YOU.

MAYOR RICH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, YOUR HARD WORK. AND I ECHO COUNCILMAN JUSTICE'S COMMENTS ABOUT BEING AT YOUR PRESENTATION AND IT BEING AN INTERESTING READ OVER THE WEEKEND.

I WILL SAY THIS IS I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THAT SOME OF YOUR FINDINGS WERE THINGS THAT I KIND OF PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED ANECDOTALLY, JUST MYSELF AS A SUPPORTER OF THE ARTS AND OVER THE YEARS LIVING HERE IN RICHARDSON. AND SO IT WAS NEAT TO FIND THAT I WILL SAY THAT WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF CONSULTANTS, AND WE WORK WITH A LOT OF CONSULTANTS IN DIFFERENT SPACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND THIS IS ONE I THINK I ENJOYED A LOT MORE THAN MOST. AND SEEING YOU GUYS OUT THERE AND WHAT YOU DID AT COTTONWOOD AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY WAS, WAS GREAT AND THOROUGH.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK.

I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.

IT WAS TOWARDS A COMMENT YOU MADE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT SLIDE IT WAS, BUT IT WAS YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING A COMMON KIND OF ONE UNDER ONE ROOF AREA KIND OF AN

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A LOT OF THE SMALLER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS STRUGGLE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN SOME OF THE OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND THOSE RENTS ARE GOING HIGHER. NOW, OF COURSE, WE AS A CITY, AS WE TRY TO CREATE DEVELOPMENT, GENTRIFICATION HAPPENS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, ALTHOUGH COMPARED TO THE CITIES AROUND US, THAT HASN'T QUITE HAPPENED IN RICHARDSON LIKE IT HAS TO THE SOUTH OF US.

BUT IT IS IT IS HAPPENING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S MAKING IT HARDER FOR SOME OF THOSE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS TO SURVIVE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD IS, IS KIND OF THIS DESIRE, MAYBE HAVING SOME OF THESE COMMON SPACES WHERE THERE COULD BE 2 OR 3 BLACK BOXES, OR MAYBE A SMALL IN THE ROUND IN A, IN A BOX AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT THESE SMALLER THEATRICAL ORGANIZATIONS CAN KIND OF HAVE SOME SHARED SPACE. WAS THAT? DID THAT COME UP OR IS THAT IN RELATION TO THAT COMMENT, OR AM I JUST OUT IN LEFT FIELD AND I AM I NOT KNOW IT IS RELATED TO THAT.

IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT OTHERWISE ARE GOING TO BE DISPLACED BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD RENT OR TO SOME ORGANIZATIONS, THEY SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD THE ISEMAN CENTER, EVEN AT NONPROFIT RATES.

SO JUST HAVING AN OPTION FOR THEM.

OKAY. DID THAT SPECIFICALLY COME UP AT ALL AS FAR AS THEIR DESIRE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH OTHERS, TO KIND OF FOCUS ON THAT, BEING ABLE TO PAY RENT FOR SOME OF THAT SPACE? I THINK SO, MAYBE NOT IN SO MANY WORDS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE DID THE VISIONING EXERCISE WITH ALL THE GROUPS, THERE WAS A LOT OF EXCITEMENT AROUND OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE.

AND WHETHER THAT INCLUDES SHARING COSTS, I COULDN'T SAY, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THAT. HOW DO WE SUPPORT THE EMERGING GROUPS THAT ARE NEW OR UP AND COMING, AND THEN THOSE THAT ARE STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY. HOW CAN WE HELP EACH OTHER? THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD SYNERGY HAPPENING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY NOT TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT.

CAN YOU REITERATE WHAT IS THE I GUESS, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS ON THIS? AND WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I THINK YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO ON THIS.

IS THAT. WELL, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS OR THINGS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN TWEAKING, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE IT COMES BACK AS A FINAL DOCUMENT. OKAY. SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.

I SEE NO CHANGES NEEDED AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

MAYOR PRO TEM THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.

JUST THREE QUICK QUESTIONS AND WE CAN START ON THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE.

THE SHORT TERM IT SAYS AUDIT CURRENT EVENT OFFERINGS TO DETERMINE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN INVESTMENT AND ADHERENCE TO STRATEGY AND VISION, ADJUST UNDERPERFORMING EVENTS AND REALLOCATE FUNDS. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? BECAUSE I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE THE QUESTION IS THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF DIFFERENT ART RELATED EVENTS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY CREATE A VERY LARGE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO IS THERE IS THERE SOME I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORDS HIDDEN MESSAGE THERE, BUT IS THERE SOME MESSAGE THERE THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT READING OR NOT UNDERSTANDING THE WAY YOU'VE WRITTEN THAT? SURE.

SO I'M ASKING I THINK THE BEST WAY TO THINK OF THAT IS YOU HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT, YOUR BUDGET IS SET RIGHT, AND YOU'VE GOT TO ALLOCATE THAT, CUT THAT UP TO HOWEVER MANY PIECES TO SERVE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THE EVENTS WE'VE BEEN DOING. ARE THEY ACHIEVING WHAT WE WANT THEM TO ACHIEVE? JUST LIKE A RECREATION PROGRAM IN PARKS AND RECREATION, WHICH IS THE OTHER WORLD J.R.

AND I LIVE IN. THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE A NATURAL LIFESPAN.

RACQUETBALL WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.

IF YOU WERE INVESTING SERIOUSLY IN RACQUETBALL, RACQUETBALL, AND NOT PICKLEBALL, THEN MAYBE YOU'RE NOT INVESTING IN SOMETHING THAT'S BEING THAT'S FOR THE GREATER GOOD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU.

YOU ONLY CAN CUT UP THE BUDGET IN SO MANY WAYS, SO IT'S JUST TAKING A CRITICAL LOOK AT EVENTS AND SAY, HEY, IS THIS SERVING WHAT WE WANT IT TO DO? IS IT? ARE PEOPLE ENJOYING IT? ARE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING 20 YEARS IN A ROW AND EACH YEAR POPULATION HAS DECREASED BY 5%? SOONER OR LATER YOU'RE GOING TO THINK MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BEST EVENT, AND WE'LL TAKE THAT LITTLE PIECE OF THE BUDGET AND TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

AND DID THAT COME FROM THE ARTS GROUPS? DID THAT COME FROM THE PUBLIC? IS THAT KIND OF Y'ALL'S OVERALL ARCHING TYPE OF OF RECOMMENDATION? I'M JUST BECAUSE WE GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF FEEL FROM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE ONE GROUP LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST MAKING THIS UP, YOU KNOW, COURTESIES, DINNER THEATER.

AND WE'VE HAD IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO THINK, WELL, WE PUT TOO MUCH FUNDS TOWARDS CURTIS'S DINNER THEATER. HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. I'M JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

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SO I'M JUST I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL FROM YOU AS TO IF THIS WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

WHEN I SAY YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IS THIS KIND OF AN OVERARCHING RECOMMENDATION YOU'D MAKE OUT OF THE REPORT OVERALL? IS IT FROM THE COMMUNITY OR IS IT FROM THE SPECIFIC ART GROUP? I WOULD SAY OUT OF ALL THE I WOULDN'T BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE THERE'S AN ART TO HOW WE INTERPRET ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PLACES.

BECAUSE WE DO A MATRIX, WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT HOW OFTEN WE HEARD IT, WHERE WE HEARD IT, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT AS CONSULTANTS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN THOSE SHOES.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET OUT OF EVERYTHING IN THIS REPORT. I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE THAT HAS OUR GREATEST THUMBPRINT ON IT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST SIMPLY SMART BUSINESS.

OH, YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE.

IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S THAT WHEN YOU GET OUT, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT.

THERE'S NO OTHER HIDDEN STORY BEHIND.

OKAY. YEAH. NO, NO, NO, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. AND AND AGAIN BEFORE I.

NOT THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW MY HISTORY, BUT I USED TO CULTURAL AFFAIRS MANAGER.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO TAKE THAT HARD LOOK EVERY SO OFTEN TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU HAVE LIMITED FUNDS, THEY'RE PRECIOUS.

NO. YOU WANT TO USE THEM TO THE BEST.

GOOD. YEAH. NO, I AGREE 100% OVERARCHING.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS COMING UP AS A POCKET OUT OF THE COMMUNITY OR OUT OF THE ARTS GROUPS OR WHERE IT MIGHT BE COMING FROM.

THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS UNDER YOUR ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS, YOU HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA OF 67,000. AND THAT NUMBER KIND OF BLOWS ME AWAY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE I DON'T.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

SO I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT WE'VE EVER DONE THAT I CAN THINK OF IN SEVEN YEARS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN 67 000 SOCIAL MEDIA, QUOTE UNQUOTE, ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. SO THAT'S NO SINGLE POST.

IT'S ACTUALLY FROM A STRATEGIC CAMPAIGN, AND IT'S A MEASUREMENT OF EVERY TIME THAT MESSAGE APPEARS IN A TIMELINE.

THEY CALL IT REACH IN SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA ASSETS, HOW MANY TIMES THAT APPEARED IN SOMEBODY'S TIMELINE DOESN'T MEAN THEY NECESSARILY CLICKED ON IT OR EVEN READ IT.

BUT AGAIN, WE AS WE QUANTIFY THIS DATA, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME POINT THAT SAYS THIS MAKES SENSE. OKAY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POINT TO THAT IS NOT FICTITIOUS OR US JUST MAKING UP NUMBERS.

IT'S ACTUALLY A MEASURABLE.

AND THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR SOCIAL MEDIA IS REACH HOW MANY TIMES IT IS SERVED IN A TIMELINE IN SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL TIMELINE.

SO IT'S ESPECIALLY THOSE NUMBERS YOU WOULD SEE COMMONLY IF POSTS WERE BOOSTED.

IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH MONEY.

AND AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS ARE REPORTED FROM THE CITY.

WE DON'T CONTROL YOUR ASSETS.

TO BE CLEAR, WE ALLOW YOU TO DO YOUR WORK.

BUT IF YOU WERE TO PUT, I DON'T KNOW, $50 BEHIND A CAMPAIGN WHICH SEEMS LIKE NOTHING YOU CAN GENERATE.

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF OF REACH NUMBERS.

YEAH, I JUST WANT WHEN I SEE THAT SLIDE TO ME.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD.

IT JUST IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AND I SEE 221 CITY WEBSITE ENGAGEMENT, 1661 POP UP EVENTS. I KNOW THAT WE DID A FAIR NUMBER OF THOSE AND THEN STAKEHOLDER MEETING IT JUST YEAH, IT FEELS A LITTLE LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT PLAYING FIELDS.

IF YOU IF I CAN PUT IT THAT WAY, I APPRECIATE THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE GOT 67,000 SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS BACK.

OH, YEAH. NO, NO. AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE USE.

OKAY. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN.

MY ONLY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS IF WE CAN CLARIFY THAT JUST SO WE DON'T GET ANYONE COMING BACK AND SAYING, YOU KNOW THAT.

OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT WE YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN. COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT IS DULY NOTED.

YEAH. AND THEN AND THEN JUST LASTLY, THIS TOURISM DATA AGAIN, I FEEL IT'S A LITTLE I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD SKEWED FOR A MOMENT THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED IN THIS REPORT.

BECAUSE I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF I LOOK AND SEE 627,000 OVERNIGHT STAYS IN 2024. IN MANY CASES, THAT'S REALLY NOT TOURISM.

IT'S BUSINESS DRIVING THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF BUSINESSES HERE WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AT&T, WE HAVE FUJITSU, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRY THAT HAVE PEOPLE COMING HERE SPENDING NIGHTS IN RICHARDSON FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE.

AND IT'S REALLY NOT TOURISM IN AND OF ITSELF.

THEY COME IN, THEY CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY MIGHT EAT NOT SAYING THEY DON'T DO THAT, YOU KNOW. BUT SO I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THIS IS A LITTLE I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORDS MISREPRESENTED, BUT MAYBE IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MISALIGNED BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY THAT 627,000 PEOPLE CAME HERE FROM A TOURISM PERSPECTIVE.

IT MAY VARY. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TOURISM AND BUSINESS, WHICH I THINK IS VERY DIFFERENT.

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I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN I CAN SAY THAT MAYBE THE EASY SOLUTION IS JUST TO CHANGE THE WORD TOURISM TO VISITOR DATA BECAUSE THEY ARE VISITING.

THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE FINE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT'D BE MUCH MORE REFLECTIVE OF THIS DATA BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S TOURISM. SO I JUST I JUST ALWAYS LIKE THESE REPORTS TO BE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE. AND I KNOW I'M NOT TRYING TO WORDSMITH YOU, BUT IT'S JUST THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE COME BEFORE YOU.

WE NEED THIS FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WE WILL UPDATE THAT.

I DO WANT TO AGAIN EMPHASIZE THAT THAT'S THESE NUMBERS ARE EXCITING TO ME BECAUSE FOR ME THEY ARE PERSPECTIVE TOURISTS AND I UNDERSTAND.

AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT I'M NOT ARGUING THAT THEY COULDN'T.

NO, NO, NO, WE EXPECT WE'LL FLIP THAT WORD BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE CLEARER THAT THESE ARE NOT AGREEING FOR US IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VISITORS, RIGHT? THEY'RE VISITORS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

OKAY, GREAT. OTHERWISE, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE THE REPORTING. THE INFORMATION. COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

YES. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM EVERYONE'S COMMENTS TONIGHT.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR COUNCILMAN BARRIOS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARTISTS LOOKING FOR MORE AFFORDABLE PLACES WELL, THEY CAN'T AFFORD SPACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS THAT HAVE KIND OF SORT OF SPEARHEADED SOME OF THAT ONE.

WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN CONNECT SHARE SPACE POTENTIALLY EITHER SHORT TERM, LONG TERM, PERMANENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE CONSIDERING. AND AGAIN DUE TO BUDGET SENSITIVITY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STILL PROBABLY NEED TO PUSH OUT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYONE'S CONSTITUENTS AND PEOPLE LISTENING, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY AND THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. AND NOW THAT THE CITY IS GROWING IN THE DIRECTIONS THAT THAT WE'RE HOPING ARE ACHIEVABLE. THAT POTENTIALLY IS GOING TO BECOME MORE OF A REALITY.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S GOING TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR MORE AFFORDABLE SPACES FOR ARTISTS THAT JUST NEED A SMALL, YOU KNOW, VENUE OR A PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO DO THEIR, DO THEIR THING.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO YOU KNOW, THAT STARTED THE COLLABORATION IS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 12, 13, 14 YEARS AGO WE HAD A GROUP THE SO AND KITTY GODDARD, WHICH IS AIR.

WE COLLABORATED WITH A WHAT THEY CALL RICOCHET, AND THEY ACTUALLY DID IT, I BELIEVE, TWICE.

AND THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION PROVIDE A GRANT EVERY TWO YEARS.

I THINK IT'S 2000 $525,000, AND IT CAN BE GIVEN TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR A GROUP, POTENTIALLY TO COLLABORATE.

WE TRY TO CREATE COLLABORATION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT THIS LAST TIME IS THE ARTIST THAT'S HERE IN RICHARDSON THAT DID THE ICEMAN EVENT.

I CAN'T RECALL THE NAME OF IT.

MICHAELA, YOU CAN HELP ME OUT LOUD.

YES. OUT LOUD. AND HONESTLY, THAT ALLOWED NEW TALENT TO COME IN AND OPEN THE DOORS FOR TECHNOLOGY, ART, BASICALLY.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING NEW.

AND THAT SOUND NOW, NOW IT'S INTEGRATED INTO OUR SOCIETY.

BUT I HAVE TO AGREE THAT WE DO NEED TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT IS MORE COLLABORATIVE, MORE AFFORDABLE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP OUR ARTISTS HERE, AND WE WANT TO BRING ARTISTS HERE TO COLLABORATE WITH OTHERS AND EXISTING ARTISTS.

SO I LOVE THAT PROGRAM.

I THINK IT'S INVALUABLE.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD TURNOUT AS WE PROCEEDED FORWARD.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS I WANT TO KEEP ADDING TO THIS ENTIRE AGENDA ITEM.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER I DO WANT TO ADD JUST A FEW QUICK COMMENTS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, REALLY THRILLED THAT YOU HAVE ACTION ITEMS. AND I LIKE THAT DIRECTION, SOMETHING THAT'S ACTIONABLE FOR US, THE SHORT TERM, MEDIUM TERM, LONG TERM, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY EXCEPTIONAL. I WANT TO SECOND, I THINK 2 OR 3 PEOPLE MENTIONED IT, BUT I WANT TO KIND OF ADD SOME EMPHASIS AND DEFINITELY ON KIND OF THE FOLLOWING THINGS.

I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW AND OR BEST PRACTICES, HOW OTHER HOW OTHER CITIES OR OTHER GROUPS HAVE KIND OF FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THESE THINGS. BUT THE ITEM THAT I HAD NEXT WAS THE AFFORDABLE INDOOR PERFORMANCE.

I'VE HEARD THAT FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES.

THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THERE AND THAT AFFORDABILITY ISSUE.

SPECIFICALLY, THE IDEA OF THE BLACK BOX OR THAT SORT OF THING WOULD BE REALLY OBVIOUSLY FANTASTIC. I RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE THINGS DO NEED TO OFTENTIMES COME WITH SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING TO KIND OF PUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THERE, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE HOW CITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FOSTER THAT, ADVERTISE IT, CREATE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE SOMEONE COULD KIND OF COME FORWARD AND BE A

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I WOULD LOVE IF THERE'S A 1 OR 2 EXAMPLES OF CITIES THAT HAD A DECENT THING GOING ON IN THE ARTS WORLD, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TOOK ON A NEW MARKETING PROGRAM THAT HELPED ELEVATE THINGS. I'D LOVE TO GET AN EXAMPLE OR TWO OF THOSE THAT ARE OUT THERE.

YOU MENTIONED AND I KNOW MAYOR PRO TEM HAD HAD KIND OF SPOKEN ABOUT IT AS WELL, THE MEASURING OF THE IMPACT OF EACH GROUP.

ONCE AGAIN, IF THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW OTHER GROUPS OR OTHER CITIES, I SHOULD SAY, ARE MEASURING THE IMPACT OF EACH OF THEIR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY'RE HELPING. I'D LOVE THAT AT LEAST EXAMPLE OF MEASURING STICKS THAT COULD BE USED.

I DO THINK THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THAT SORT OF APPROACH. AND THEN THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE VISITOR DATA THAT WAS ALSO SPOKEN ABOUT BY THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I ASSUME THAT VISITORS DATA ALSO INCLUDES IF MY FATHER COMES TO TOWN FOR 2 OR 3 DAYS AND HANGS OUT WITH ME, OR OR IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE'S COMING TO SEE THEIR GRANDPARENTS THAT LIVE HERE IN RICHARDSON FOR 2 OR 3 DAYS, THOSE ALSO ARE INCLUDED IN THAT WHOLE VISITOR'S DATA. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY, PERFECT. JUST AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION SAKE.

OTHERWISE. FANTASTIC. I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS PUT TOGETHER HERE AND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE GRANULAR DETAIL ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT NEXT STEP HAPPEN, OR ANY BEST PRACTICES WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, THE PLEASURE SINCERELY HAS BEEN OURS.

SO THANK YOU FOR AGAIN ENTRUSTING US REMARKABLE STAFF.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE SHE'S STANDING HERE LOOKING AT ME, BUT YOUR STAFF AT THE ICEMAN AND MICHAELA HAVE JUST BEEN TREMENDOUS, JUST TREMENDOUS. YOU'VE GOT.

THANK YOU AGAIN. GREAT RESOURCES HERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM F. REVIEW AND DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. MR. WAGNER.

OH, MAYOR, I THINK WE ACTUALLY.

OH, I'M SORRY, I WAS SKIPPING RIGHT PAST E, AND I HAD NO OFFENSE INTENDED THERE, BOB, BUT LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM E, WHICH IS REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE SECOND

[E. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE SECOND QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE FY 2024-2025 OPERATING BUDGET]

THANK YOU. MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BOB, OUR BUDGET OFFICER IS HERE TO SHARE AN IMPORTANT BUDGET UPDATE FOR FY 25 HERE AS WE WRAP UP Q2 AND BEGIN LOOKING FORWARD NOT ONLY TO MAKING SURE THAT WE CONCLUDE FY 25 IN A POSITIVE WAY AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO BEGIN THE VERY IMPORTANT WORK OF PLANNING FOR FY 26.

YOU'LL BEGIN IN JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO REALLY START TO RECEIVE THE BUDGET DEEP DIVES THAT YOU'VE BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO. AND SO BOB IS GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS CURRENT YEAR, WHICH HAS SOME OF ITS OWN CHALLENGES FOR US TO SHARE WITH YOU, AND THEN REALLY KIND OF PLANT SOME SEEDS FOR SOME VERY IMPORTANT ECONOMIC TRENDS AND FACTORS THAT WE'RE WATCHING AS WE BEGIN TO PREPARE AGAIN FOR FY 26 BUDGET DEVELOPMENT.

SO, BOB, THANKS FOR PUTTING ALL THIS GOOD INFO TOGETHER, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEFING. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

ONCE AGAIN, YOU GUYS PUT ME RIGHT AFTER A VERY CREATIVE CULTURAL ARTS THING FOR ME TO COME UP HERE AND THROW NUMBERS AT YOU. BUT AS DON MENTIONED, WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A REPORT ON THE PERFORMANCE OF OUR FIVE MAIN OPERATING FUNDS THROUGH THE FIRST TWO QUARTERS.

THAT WOULD BE THE END OF MARCH.

THERE'S A COUPLE INSTANCES WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO ADD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OF SOME THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE, AND WE WERE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT IN HERE.

GENERAL FUND. TOTAL REVENUE OF 20.5 MILLION OR 67, 66.7%, COMPARED TO 118.8 MILLION, OR 66.6%, LAST YEAR.

SO AS A WHOLE, PRETTY MUCH ON TARGET.

BUT THERE ARE THREE AREAS WE'D LIKE TO DRILL DOWN HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

SALES TAX AS WELL AS PROPERTY TAX AND OTHER REVENUE IN THOSE LAST TWO KIND OF GO TOGETHER. GENERAL FUND PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.

IT'S REALLY MADE OUT OF THREE CATEGORIES.

WE HAVE YOUR CURRENT TAX REVENUE YOUR PRIOR TAX REVENUE AND THE PENALTIES AND INTEREST.

AS A WHOLE, WE'RE AT 92.9%.

THROUGH THE END OF THE SECOND QUARTER, WE'RE TYPICALLY CLOSER TO 99%.

NOW, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO HAVE SOME VARIATIONS IN THE PRIOR YEAR TAXES AND THE PENALTIES AND INTEREST AS PROPERTIES GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY TAX OR PROPERTY VALUE DISPUTE PROCESS. BUT NOT THAT THEY'RE INSIGNIFICANT, BUT THEY'RE A LOT SMALLER OF AN AMOUNT.

BY FAR, OUR LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE IN THE GENERAL FUND IS CURRENT YEAR TAXES.

AND A REMINDER, THESE CURRENT YEAR TAXES ARE BASED ON THE CERTIFIED VALUES THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE TAX RATE THAT'S SET UP THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND THEN PUT INTO ADOPTED LATER IN THAT YEAR.

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BUT AS A WHOLE, PROPERTY TAX IS AGAIN BEING DOWN ABOUT $3 MILLION.

BUT THE REVENUE FROM CURRENT YEAR TAXES IS EXPECTED TO BE DOWN 3.3 MILLION BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. NOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MAIN CAUSES FOR THIS.

ONE OF THEM, I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN BRIEFED ON IS THE NORTHSIDE CAMPUS.

SITUATION WHERE THE COLLIN APPRAISAL REVIEW BOARD RULED THAT IT WAS BASICALLY THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF IT, AT LEAST, WAS ACTING AS AN EXTENSION OF THE UNIVERSITY AND WAS DEEMED TO OR WAS APPROVED AT 100% TAX EXEMPTION AFTER VALUES WERE CERTIFIED AND THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED.

AS A RESULT, WE ARE ANTICIPATING A TOTAL OF ABOUT $1.2 MILLION IN REVENUE LOSS THIS YEAR.

OF THAT ROUGHLY 700,000 WILL BE IMPACTING THE GENERAL FUND.

THIS IS OFFSET PARTIALLY OR ACTUALLY KIND OF ALL OF IT, BUT A ONE TIME REVENUE THAT'S HITTING OUR OTHER REVENUE CATEGORY OF ROUGHLY $1 MILLION.

THIS WAS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT WITH NORTHSIDE PROPERTY TO REPAY SOME PREVIOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.

WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE BIGGER IMPACT ON OUR SUPPLEMENTAL ROLL WAS AFTER ROLL CERTIFICATION. AND AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH AND SEEING THINGS IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH COLLIN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT REACHED OUT AND INFORMED US THAT A SIGNIFICANT TAX ABATEMENT WAS LEFT OFF THE ROLL.

AND ONCE THAT WAS ADDED BACK TO THE ROLL, IT ACTUALLY REMOVED ROUGHLY ABOUT $592 MILLION FROM OUR TAX ROLL.

THIS NOT ONLY AFFECTS THIS YEAR, BUT WILL IMPACT US GOING FORWARD.

THE ESTIMATED LOSS FOR THIS YEAR IS ROUGHLY $3.2 MILLION.

1.9 OF THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE OTHER 1.3 OF THAT IN THE DEBT SERVICE FUND SALES TAX. A TOTAL OF 25.8 MILLION, OR 48%, COMPARED TO 24.4 MILLION.

IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE BUDGET THAT WE SET BASED ON THE TRENDS WE WERE SEEING LAST SUMMER. WE ARE 1.4 MILLION ABOVE LAST YEAR, 2.7 MILLION ABOVE THE BUDGET, AND 1 MILLION ABOVE WHAT WE CONSIDER THE BASE TO BASE WHEN WE REMOVE AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS.

SINCE THEN, WE'VE RECEIVED APRIL, MAY AND JUNE AND WE FACTOR THOSE IN.

WE ARE 1.1 MILLION ABOVE LAST YEAR AND 2.3 MILLION ABOVE THE BUDGETED TARGET.

NOW, WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO DRILL DOWN, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 18,000 INDIVIDUAL SALES TAX PAYERS IN THE CITY. OUR TOP 50 MAKE UP ABOUT 50% OF OUR TOTAL SALES TAX REVENUE.

AND OF THOSE, 21 ARE UP AND 29 OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY TRENDING BELOW LAST YEAR.

WE'VE BEEN VERY INCONSISTENT, SOME WITHIN THE SAME CATEGORY OR GOING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR. NOT ONLY IS THIS SUMMER GOES ON FOR THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS OUR SETTING OUR EXPECTATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR.

THE REMAINING REVENUES YOU'LL SEE THERE.

AGAIN, THE ONLY REAL VARIANCE IS THAT OTHER REVENUE CATEGORY.

AND THAT'S RELATED TO THAT NORTH SIDE REPAYMENT.

BUT THE REMAINING REVENUES ARE PERFORMING AS ANTICIPATED.

DESPITE THAT, WITH THE STRENGTH OF SALES TAX AND THIS OTHER REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVED.

WE DO ANTICIPATE TOTAL GENERAL FUND REVENUES TO FINISH ABOVE OUR TARGET FOR THE YEAR.

TOTAL OF EXPENDITURES IN THE TOTAL OPERATING EXPENDITURES IN THE FUND OF 76.1 MILLION, ROUGHLY 47%, COMPARED TO 74.4 MILLION, WHICH WAS 47.6% LAST YEAR.

ALL CATEGORIES ARE PERFORMING AS ANTICIPATED.

THE ONE VARIANCE YOU SEE THERE IS IN CONTRACTS THAT IS BEING IMPACTED BY THE TIMING OF SOME OF THE PAYMENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS YEAR. BUT THE BIGGER IMPACT THERE IS THE RECORDING OF SOME EXPENSES RELATED TO PRIOR YEAR ENCUMBRANCES.

THOUGH THEY ARE RECORDED IN THIS YEAR, THEY ARE COVERED OUT OF A RESERVE OF FUND BALANCE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.

TOTAL REVENUE OF 53.1 MILLION, ROUGHLY 47% THIS YEAR, COMPARED TO 51.5 OR 47% LAST YEAR.

THE OTHER REVENUE CATEGORY, YOU'LL SEE A VARIANCE THERE LAST YEAR WAS IMPACTED BY SOME ONE TIME REVENUES.

BUT WHEN YOU REMOVE THAT, THAT CATEGORY IS PERFORMING AS ANTICIPATED.

THEN WE DID HAVE AN UNANTICIPATED METER INSTALLATION THAT'S IMPACTING OUR INSTALLATION CHARGES, WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY EXCEEDED WHAT OUR TARGET WAS FOR THE YEAR.

AND THAT WAS RELATED TO AN EIGHT INCH METER PLACED OUT AT UTD.

IF WE DRILL DOWN ON THE WATER REVENUE THROUGH THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, WE'RE ROUGHLY 318,000 ABOVE OUR TARGET.

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TOTAL EXPENDITURES. EVERYTHING'S PERFORMING AS WE ANTICIPATE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE ONE CATEGORY, 43.2 MILLION, COMPARED TO 41.3 LAST YEAR WHERE WE ARE SEEING A VARIANCE.

THIS FUND CONTINUES TO HAVE RECRUITMENT CHALLENGES FOR FRONTLINE WORKERS, AND WE ARE THAT THAT ACTUAL IS TRAILING OUR EXPECTATIONS THROUGH THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

THE REMAINING CATEGORIES ARE PERFORMING AS WE ANTICIPATED THROUGH SIX MONTHS.

SOLID WASTE FUND. THIS FUND IS JUST PLUGGING ALONG.

IT'S THE CLOSEST THING WE HAVE TO A 1/12 A MONTH FUND.

A 9.8 MILLION OR 50% OF THE REVENUE VERSUS 9.2 MILLION OR 49% OF THE REVENUE LAST YEAR.

TOTAL EXPENDITURES, AGAIN, TOTAL OPERATING EXPENDITURES OF 6.4 MILLION, COMPARED TO 6.4 MILLION LAST YEAR.

AND WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY VARIANCES TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

ANY VARIANCES THAT WE HAVE SEEN WERE THE RESULT OF SOME TIMING OF PAYMENTS THIS YEAR VERSUS LAST YEAR OR PREVIOUS YEARS.

THE GULF FUND, IT DID HAVE SOME CHALLENGES.

TOTAL REVENUE 1.1 MILLION, WHICH IS 31.9% OF THE BUDGET COMPARED TO 1.3 MILLION LAST YEAR. 49.7%.

NOW, KIND OF HARD TO TO COMPARE THE TWO YEARS BECAUSE WHAT YEAR OR WHAT MONTHS? THE COURSES, BOTH COURSES WERE OPEN.

BUT THROUGH THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, WE CAN SAY THAT ROUNDS ARE TRENDING SLIGHTLY BELOW WHERE WE ANTICIPATED.

AND THAT'S MOSTLY A RESULT OF THE DELAYED REOPENING.

THROUGH THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, WE HAD A LITTLE OVER 29,000 ROUNDS, AND THAT WAS ABOUT 5600 ROUNDS BELOW OUR TARGET.

NOW, SINCE BOTH COURSES HAVE BEEN OPEN ALL 3RD MARCH, APRIL AND MAY HAVE EXCEEDED TOTAL ROUNDS PLAYED IN MARCH.

WE EXCEEDED ROUNDS PLAYED BY ALMOST 1500.

APRIL EXCEEDED ITS TARGET FOR THAT MONTH.

DESPITE SOME RAIN EVENTS, AND I BELIEVE MAY HAD THE STRONGEST MAY WE'VE EVER HAD AT THE COURSE.

SO WITH THAT AND THE ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE WE KEPT IN THE FUND INTENTIONALLY TO HELP SUPPORT THE DELAYED REOPENING, WE DO FEEL THAT THE FUND IS GOING TO ACHIEVE ITS MINIMUM FUND BALANCE POLICY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, TOTAL EXPENDITURES OF 3.1 MILLION, ROUGHLY 50%, COMPARED TO 1.2 MILLION ROUGHLY 47% LAST YEAR.

AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS RELATED TO JUST THE TIMING OF WHEN SOME MAINTENANCE HAPPENED AND SOME CONTRACTS WERE LAUNCHED.

HOTEL, MOTEL FUND. WE WE HAVE SEEN SOME CHALLENGES IN THIS FUND AS WELL.

4 MILLION OR 40.5% OF THE TOTAL REVENUE VERSUS 4.1 MILLION LAST YEAR.

THE ICEMAN CENTER. WE HAVE SEEN SOME SOME, SOME GROWTH THERE.

IT IS OUTPACING LAST YEAR, BUT IT IS SLIGHTLY BELOW WHERE WE ANTICIPATED IT BEING THROUGH THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

WHERE WE ARE SEEING THE LARGER DECLINE IS IN THE HOTEL MOTEL TAXES THEMSELVES.

HOTEL TAXES FINISHED THE SECOND QUARTER, OR 81,000 BELOW LAST YEAR, AND 161,000 BELOW LAST YEAR.

WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO DRILL DOWN, WE SAW THE TWO MAIN CAUSES.

THERE WERE SOME SOME REMODELING ROOMS CLOSED FOR REMODELING.

THE SPARK BY HILTON, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY THE WINGATE WENT THROUGH A REDESIGN AND REMODEL AND TOOK UP QUITE A FEW ROOMS OFFLINE.

AND THEN THE SONESTA SELECT IS WAS REDOING PARTS OF THEIR ROOMS AS WELL.

I BELIEVE THE SPARK BY HILTON HAS COMPLETED THEIR RENOVATION.

SONESTA IS VERY CLOSE TO COMPLETING.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THEM, BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE THE ACTIVITY OF BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO INCREASE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, THE QUALITY INN AND SUPER EIGHT IN OUR ECONOMY SECTOR.

THEY ARE SEEING A REDUCTION OF BUSINESS RELATED WEEKDAY TRAVEL.

MOST OF THIS IS CONSTRUCTION AND UTILITY RELATED TRAVEL.

AND THEN THERE ARE THREE HOTELS THAT ARE SEEING A SLIGHT DECLINE THE DOUBLETREE, THE DRURY IN THE SPRINGHILL SUITES.

TOTAL EXPENDITURES IN THE FUND.

4.2 MILLION, OR 48% OF THE BUDGET, COMPARED TO 3.7 OR 44.3% OF THE BUDGET LAST YEAR. ACTUAL LAST YEAR OF THAT 4.2, ROUGHLY 300,000 IS RELATED TO A FUND BALANCE OR A EXPENSES CARRYING FORWARD FROM LESSER ENCUMBRANCE, CARING FOR FROM LAST YEAR AND COVERED OUT OF A RESERVE OF FUND BALANCE.

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STAFF CONTINUES TO MONITOR BOTH REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES AT THE ISEMAN CENTER, AND THEY ARE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO.

NOW, SOME OF OUR FINAL THOUGHTS HERE.

AS A WHOLE, WE ANTICIPATE ALL FIVE OF OUR OPERATING FUNDS TO FINISH ABOVE THEIR MINIMUM TARGETS. AGAIN, WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR NOT ONLY THE REVENUES, BUT EXPENDITURES AS WELL AND MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED.

AS WE'RE FINISHING UP THIS YEAR AND GETTING INTO NEXT YEAR, WE ARE CONSCIOUS OF SOME OF THE ECONOMIC SITUATIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THE BIGGEST ONE IS THAT DUE TO THE NORTH SIDE PROPERTY EXEMPTION AND THE LARGE ABATEMENT THAT WAS LEFT OFF, AS WELL AS WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE PRELIMINARY VALUES, WE DO ANTICIPATE REVENUE FROM PROPERTY TAXES FOR NEXT YEAR TO BE BELOW WHERE WE ADOPTED THEM FOR, FOR THIS YEAR.

THE OVERALL STATE OF THE ECONOMY HAS ALSO LEFT US TO SOME UNCERTAINTIES ABOUT SALES TAX. THE EVER CHANGING CONVERSATIONS ON TRADE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WE ARE SEEING COMPANIES KIND OF DELAY SOME OF THEIR PURCHASES AND ACTIVITIES, AS WELL AS THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE INTEREST RATES, WHICH NOT ONLY WILL IMPACT SOME OF THEIR BUYING POWER AND SOME OF THEIR ACTIVITY, BUT ALSO IMPACTS OUR INTEREST EARNINGS GOING FORWARD.

AND WE ANTICIPATE SOME REDUCTIONS THERE.

WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION TO INFLATIONARY PRESSURES.

WE HELD A LOT OF LINE ITEMS FLAT FOR 25.

BASED ON THE REVENUE PICTURE THIS YEAR.

SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT TWO YEARS WORTH OF INFLATION ON SOME OF OUR ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO.

IN THE WATER FUND WE WERE SEEING DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES FROM NORTH TEXAS ON WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES. AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE HOSPITALITY AND THEATER SECTORS.

WE DO PLAN ON COMING BACK IN LATE JULY TO KIND OF LAY DOWN SOME OF OUR EXPECTATIONS FOR SOME OF OUR REVENUE ACCOUNTS FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME BRIEFINGS IN THE DEEP DIVES COMING UP FROM LIKE DART AND NORTH TEXAS, AS WELL AS STREET AND ALLEY REHAB, PARKS AND FACILITY MAINTENANCE AND SOME OF THOSE IMPORTANT PROGRAMS. JUST KIND OF A BRIEFING OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE WEEK.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE BUDGET? CAN YOU CAN YOU OR MR. MAGNER ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THE THE REHAB ABATEMENT? I DON'T THINK THAT WAS A SURPRISE TO US, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE WERE REALLY OFF THE MARK. I'M SORT OF CURIOUS HOW HOW THAT HAPPENED.

HOW WERE 3 MILLION OFF IF WE KNEW ABOUT THAT ABATEMENT? OKAY. YEAH. NO, IT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION.

SO RECALL WE WE DON'T APPLY THE ABATEMENT TO THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLL.

THAT'S THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. SO WE RECEIVED THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLL IN JULY 25TH FROM BOTH CAD AND CAD. THERE ARE CLOSE TO 33,000 ACCOUNTS THAT WERE BETWEEN THE 2 TO 2 COUNTIES THAT WE THAT THAT MAKE UP OUR CERTIFIED RULES AND THAT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE THERE'S ABOUT 28 ALMOST JUST SHY OF 2900.

ON THE BPP SIDE, THERE'S 5500 ACCOUNTS.

SO WHAT WE DO WHEN WE RECEIVE BOTH OF THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLLS IS THERE'S A BLENDING PROCESS THAT HAS TO OCCUR, AND THEN WE'RE ALL ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE GO THROUGH THE TRUTH AND TAXATION FORMULAS.

WE'VE DESCRIBED THOSE TO YOU SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW.

THE SHORT ANSWER IS, IS THERE THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY CONFIRM ALL OF THE ABATEMENTS JUST IN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE BPP OR ANY CITY COULD FOR THAT MATTER.

I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD OCCUR IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE WE HAVE TO FILE A BUDGET, AND ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO ADOPT A BUDGET.

WE LARGELY COUNT ON THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE APPLYING THE ABATEMENT IN THE PROPER WAY.

YOU KNOW, EVERY PERSON AND EVERY ORGANIZATION CAN MAKE A MISTAKE, CAN RECOGNIZE THE MISTAKE THEY MADE, AND THEY CAME BACK.

BUT IT WAS AFTER THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED AND AFTER WE HAD ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IT, STARTED IMPLEMENTING FY 25.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE MIDYEAR ADJUSTMENT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE.

AND THANKFULLY SALES TAX IS BEHAVING TABLE, YOU KNOW, AND ALLOWING US TO LAND THIS IN A NICE BUDGETED WAY BY THE END OF END OF FY 25.

AND SO AGAIN, NOT NOT TO NOT TO OVERLY COMPLICATED, THE SHORT ANSWER IS, IS WITH THAT MANY ACCOUNTS WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO COUNT ON THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS TO, TO SEND A CERTIFIED ROLL THAT IS ACCURATE.

THAT DIDN'T OCCUR. THEY OWNED IT.

AND AND THEY TOLD US ABOUT IT AS QUICKLY AS THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, AND WE ADJUSTED. WE KNEW ABOUT THE ABATEMENT.

THE ABATEMENT WAS APPROVED IN 2019.

THERE WERE SOME TRIGGERS FOR THE ABATEMENT AS OUR FAB TWO CAME ONLINE.

THERE ARE WITH T FROM R FEB ONE AND R FEB TWO 10TH.

THERE ARE PROBABLY 30 DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS JUST FOR TEA.

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AND SO YOU KNOW, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT MANY ACCOUNTS THAT, YOU KNOW, NOW, THE ONE GOOD THING IS WE'RE NOT USING THE ABATEMENTS. WE'RE NOT USING ABATEMENTS PER SE ANYMORE. THEY'RE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED AND MUCH MORE TIME CONSUMING TO GET THROUGH.

AND THEY USUALLY DON'T WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE SPEED OF BUSINESS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THESE OPPORTUNITIES. SO THE ABATEMENTS OVER THE YEARS HAVE REALLY WANED. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY TO TRACK AS WE ONCE DID. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

I MEAN, WAS IT I'M CURIOUS IF WE THINK JUST SORT OF GOING FORWARD, WAS IT A HISTORICAL ISSUE THAT THEY WEREN'T APPLYING THIS ABATEMENT OR WAS IT JUST THIS ONE YEAR? AND SO WE WERE BASING IT ON ONE OF THE THINGS YOU JUST DESCRIBED, WHICH WAS THE TRIGGER OF NEW THINGS, YOU KNOW, NEW THINGS COMING ONLINE. YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDED YOU CAN. IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS A GLITCH, JUST THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED TO US.

THE ABATEMENT WAS ON PREVIOUSLY.

IT WAS IT CAME ON FIRST THE YEAR BEFORE.

AND THEY DESCRIBED IT, I THINK, AS A BLIP OR A GLITCH IN THEIR SYSTEM. IT'S NOT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS WAS LARGE, BUT WE GET A NEW SUPPLEMENTAL ROLL EVERY MONTH.

SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR THERE TO BE CHANGES IN THE TAX ROLL.

YOU KNOW, WE TAKE WHAT WE GIVE THEM. LIKE JOHN SAID AT CERTIFICATION THOSE VALUES VERY QUICKLY GET PUT INTO THE FORMULA WE HAVE TO USE TO GO THROUGH THE TRUTH AND TAXATION CALQUES. BUT THEY CAME IN AFTERWARDS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL ROLL AND THEN MADE THE CHANGE AND PUT THE ABATEMENT BACK ON.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FAIR. DO WE THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE THE TRIGGERS THOUGH, THAT CAUSED THIS BIG OF A DIFFERENCE? YOU KNOW, GIVEN WE KNEW ABOUT THE ABATEMENT. YOU KNOW THIS SEEMS LIKE A BIG JUMP THIS, THIS 3 MILLION THAT WE WEREN'T ACCOUNTING FOR. AND SO I'M JUST I GUESS THE SPIRIT OF MY QUESTION IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO AVOID THIS NEXT YEAR? IS THERE A WAY TO AVOID IT, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE OUR BEST GUESS? AND NO, I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S A VALUABLE LESSON LEARNED.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY.

I MEAN, I MEAN, YOUR QUESTIONS ARE VERY GOOD.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY ABATEMENTS OF THIS MAGNITUDE.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ARGUE, MAYBE YOU COULD ARGUE WE SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS SINGLE ABATEMENT. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE GONE IN AND LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE HAD AN ABATEMENT THAT WAS APPLIED.

WE KNEW IT WAS APPLIED THE YEAR BEFORE AND COUNTED FOR IT, AND THEN IT ROLLED OFF, ONLY TO BE CAUGHT LITERALLY MONTHS LATER. YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS. I CAN'T EVER RECALL ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING. NOTHING THAT LARGE. NO.

YEAH. DO WE THINK THE DIFFERENCE WAS THE TRIGGER LIKE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE FAB TO, TO TO THIS INCREASE, OR IS IT REALLY JUST THAT IT ROLLED OFF.

WE DIDN'T NOTICE IT AND THEN IT CAME BACK ON.

IT WAS ROLLED OFF. I THINK IT WAS I THINK THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT MADE SOME SORT OF KIND OF ERROR IN NOT APPLYING IT LAST YEAR.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT WASN'T FULLY IT WASN'T TO THE SAME LEVEL THE PRIOR YEAR BECAUSE OUR FAB TWO IS STILL RAMPING UP, AND BY THAT TIME IT WAS PROBABLY ONLY 35%.

YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURING AT A 35% CAPACITY, YOU KNOW.

BUT NO, IT WAS IT WAS WE CONFIRMED IT WAS ON.

IT WAS TAKEN OFF. NOT, YOU KNOW, BY SCAD FOR SOME REASON.

AND AND THEN THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER ALONG THE SAME KIND OF LINE OF QUESTIONS JUST WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, WHEN WE GET THESE CERTIFIED ROLLS, DO WE GET IT IN ANY KIND OF GRANULAR, GRANULAR WAY, OR DO WE JUST GET ONE FAT NUMBER? THAT'S THAT'S YOUR CERTIFIED ROLL. WE GET A LOT OF DIFFERENT FILES THAT MAKE UP DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, DIFFERENT EXEMPTIONS.

THE THREE TIF DISTRICTS GET PULLED OUT TO IN COLLIN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, ONE IN DALLAS COUNTY. SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE.

WE USE THE TOTALS TO START CALCULATING THE TRUTH AND TAXATION BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE TOTALS. WE HAVE TO COMBINE THEM ON OUR OWN SPREADSHEET AND THEN KIND OF PLUG THEM IN TO THE FORMULA, THE GRANULAR PIECE OF THAT.

WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT HELPS US START COMBINING OUR ROLL, AND THEN IT'S LATER. THEN WE CAN START ANALYZING SOME OF THE DETAILS.

OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING, I SUPPOSE IS JUST FORGET THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, BUT BUT LOOKING FOR ANOMALIES YEAR OVER YEAR TYPE ANOMALIES.

I SUPPOSE IT'S THE THIRD PARTY THAT WE UTILIZE FOR THAT.

THEY HELPED PUT IT. THEY HELPED COMBINE THE ROLES AND PUT SOME OF THE DETAILED SCHEDULES TOGETHER THAT WE START LOOKING AT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE KIND OF JUGGLING SEVERAL BALLS AT THE SAME TIME. WHEN WE GET THESE CERTIFIED ROLES IN, WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE COUNTIES, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE TOTALS IN THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, PUT THEM IN THE TRUTH AND TAXATION CALCULATION.

BUT THEN WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT AT A GRANULAR LEVEL, AS WE GET SOME OF THOSE TOTALS AND THE TRUTH AND TAXATION COUNT DONE AS WELL.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, I JUST SAY IN THE PAST WE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE GET LITERALLY THE MONTH AFTER WE GET A CERTIFIED ROLL, WE GET AN ADJUSTED CERTIFIED ROLL, RIGHT? ONE THING THAT WE'RE VERY MINDFUL OF AND, KEN, I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THIS WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM IS, THE VALUES IN DISPUTE NUMBER IS GETTING LARGER AND LARGER.

AND SO FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OVER SAY JUST OVER 300 CASES WHERE SOMEONE IS IS, IS CHALLENGING A VALUE.

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AND AND THE FOLLOWING WHAT IT'S NOT CERTIFIED ADJUSTED.

IT'S SUPPLEMENTAL. THE SUPPLEMENTAL ROLES COULD START TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE.

THAT'S OVER $3 BILLION IN DISPUTE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, THE CERTIFIED ROLES COULD START TO CHANGE MORE THAN WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO IN PRIOR YEARS BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE AMOUNT THAT'S IN DISPUTE AND BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF OF CASES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND SO I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT HOW TO YOU KNOW, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATE WHAT THAT COULD MEAN. BUT TO IT'S, A MUCH MORE DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING ROLES THAT ARE CHANGING AS FREQUENTLY AS WE'RE SEEING.

THEY ALWAYS CHANGE, BUT MAYBE NOT TO TO THE MAGNITUDE THAT THEY THEY HAVE AND COULD CONTINUE. AND I'D SAY WITH THE LAWSUITS AS WELL, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT JUST ONE YEAR.

THESE LAWSUITS TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME. SO BY THE TIME IT'S SETTLED YOU CAN HAVE THREE TAX YEARS. AND THEN IF THERE'S A REBATE RELATED TO IT, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GIVEN A THREE YEAR REBATE ESSENTIALLY TO THEM.

WHICH IS WHY WHEN BOB COVERED, I SAW I SAW MAYBE SOME CURIOSITY AROUND THE CURRENT YEAR TAXES VERSUS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE.

IF YOU WENT JUST FOR A SECOND, IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO REMEMBER. YOU KNOW, WHILE CURRENT YEAR TAXES MAKE UP THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY TAX CATEGORY THE PRIOR TAXES IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THAT CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE VALUES IN DISPUTE. AND TO KEN'S POINT, IF A LARGE CASE TAKES SEVERAL YEARS, IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT JUST ADJUSTING MOVING FORWARD.

YOU COULD BE ADJUSTING TO MAKE SOMEBODY WHOLE FOR THE PRIOR YEARS. AND SO THAT LINE ITEM IS BECOMING MUCH MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO WATCH AND REALLY DISSECT AND UNDERSTAND.

SO ON ON NORTH SIDE, SPEAKING OF THAT, WE ANTICIPATE IT ENDING AT THE ONE YEAR AS OPPOSED TO GOING BACKWARDS.

I CAN SPEAK THAT WAS PART OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE WORKED.

SO SO WE WERE, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED A, YOU KNOW, A SOPHIE'S KIND OF CHOICE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE WASN'T A GOOD OPTION.

THE BEST OPTION WAS TO ACCEPT THE EXEMPTION AND HAVE THEM PAY US.

IT WAS JUST OVER $1 MILLION, I THINK.

CURRENT YEAR, SO THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT TRANSITION IN FY 25, WE COULD MAKE IT AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BENEFIT FROM SLIGHTLY FROM IT THIS YEAR AND THEN PLAN FOR THE YEAR COMING UP.

MAYOR PRO TEM HUDSON RIDER.

DON, JUST WANT ONE QUESTION OR MAYBE ONE POINT IS I KNOW I SAW I THINK IT WAS EITHER FRIDAY NIGHT OR MAYBE BEEN OVER THE WEEKEND. THE GOVERNOR IS TALKING ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO TRY AND DO THIS IN SPECIAL SESSION, OR AT LEAST IN TWO YEARS TRYING TO RATCHET DOWN.

I'LL SAY OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL AND MAYBE NOT CONTROLS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WORK WITH OUR BUDGET AND TAXATION.

ET CETERA, ETC. YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A LOT OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WOULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL IS OVER THE NEXT, WHATEVER THE RIGHT TIME FRAME IS NOW, AS OUR LEGISLATORS COME BACK TO TO THEIR DISTRICTS OF HAVING SOME TYPE OF A MEETING WITH THEM AND PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY AS FAR MAYBE, MAYBE WE DON'T GO INTO THE TEA ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S A BECAUSE THEY'D COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU NEGOTIATED THAT.

THAT'S KIND OF BETWEEN YOU AND THE TAX DISTRICT.

BUT ALL OF THESE WERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ON VERY APPROPRIATELY SO.

BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE APPEALING AND IT'S CAUSING WHERE WE REALLY DON'T.

SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME OUT AND SAY, WHAT IS OUR TAXES FOR? WE CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT WE KNOW BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I THINK IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE COULD SOMEHOW DO SOME SIGNIFICANT EDUCATION.

BETWEEN NOW AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT A SPECIAL CALLED SESSION, BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY GO BACK IN TWO YEARS, REALLY TRYING TO EDUCATE THEM AS BEST WE CAN NOW, MAYBE FOR NAUGHT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST TRY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF AN IMPACT WITH OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU BOB.

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU GUYS.

ONE LAST THING WE WANTED TO DO WAS JUST PROVIDE YOU WHERE WE ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR NEXT YEAR OR FY 2526.

WE'RE THERE. THAT GRAY BOX.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE LAID OUT OUR EXPECTATIONS, OR DON HAS LAID OUT HIS EXPECTATIONS.

WE'VE DEVELOPED SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS.

AND THEN BUDGETS WERE DUE TO THE BUDGET OFFICE.

I THINK MAY 3RD. AND THEN WE BEGAN BUDGET MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS.

WE HAVE NOW FINISHED ALL THOSE UP, AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND REFINING SOME OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS MOVING FORWARD.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, YOU'LL GET SOME SOME OF THESE DEEP DIVE BRIEFINGS ON SOME OF THE KEY PROGRAMS WE HAVE. AND THEN WE'LL RECEIVE CERTIFIED ROLLS IN JULY.

AND THEN THE TAX RATE CALCULATION BEGINS THERE.

SO FOR SOME SPECIFIC DATES AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY WE JUST COMPLETED THE THE

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CERTIFIED ROLES IS OUR NEXT BIG OPERA MARKER OUT THERE.

THAT'S FRIDAY JULY 25TH.

AND THEN WE'LL COME TO YOU GUYS AUGUST 4TH AND FIFTH WITH THE FIRST FULL LOOK OF THE ENTIRE OPERATING BUDGET.

AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE TAX RATE AT THAT TIME AS WELL.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO FILE THE BUDGET BY A PER CHARTER BY AUGUST 15TH.

SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME OF THESE KEY DATES TO KEEP IN MIND AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND AGAIN, I'M HERE TO ASK OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE ON THIS OR THE THE THE PREVIOUS QUARTERLY REPORT.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, BOB.

THANKS, BOB. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM F REVIEW AND DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE

[F. REVIEW AND DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION]

BEFORE WE BEGIN AND PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON ARTICLE NINE.

FOLLOWING THE SAME KIND OF RHYTHM AND APPROACH THAT WE DID LAST WEEK, I WANTED TO JUST SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE HOMEWORK THAT WE BROUGHT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I ALSO WANT TO AGAIN ACKNOWLEDGE PETE SMITH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, AMY AND DANETTE, WHO HAVE LED THIS REALLY FOR STAFF THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

AND, AND WANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE ONE OF OUR CHARTER COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO I THOUGHT WAS IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT HE MAY HAVE STEPPED OUT FOR A SECOND. MR. STRECKER, BECAUSE WE'LL START WITH SOME IMPORTANT WORK THAT HE ACTUALLY DID FOR THE COMMISSION AND THEN BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

AS WE BEGIN TO KIND OF GO BACK AND THINK THROUGH THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD COUNCIL I GRAVITATED AND THE STAFF GRAVITATED TOWARDS RECOMMENDING KIND OF A HYBRID.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CPI INDEX AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE TODAY VERSUS AT THE END OF THE TEN YEARS WHEN THE CHARTER WOULD AGAIN HAVE TO BE REVISITED AND, AND COMPENSATION COULD PERHAPS BEGIN CONSIDERED.

THE MATH WORKED OUT JUST ABOUT PERFECTLY TO RECOMMEND TO YOU, IF YOU APPLIED THE CPI ANNUALLY TO THE 2015 A CHARTER INCREASE OF $100 PER DIEM TODAY, THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $150.

TEN YEARS FROM NOW WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $200 AND APPROXIMATE WITHIN JUST REALLY A COUPLE OF DOLLARS ACTUALLY. AND SO WHAT WE SUGGESTED FOR YOU IS TO I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS AROUND KEEPING THE PER DIEM APPROACH.

AND SO I WHAT WE'VE SUGGESTED FOR YOU IS FOR YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE TO APPROACH TO CONSIDER $150 MAXIMUM PER DIEM, AND THEN IN YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN OR GOING FORWARD BEYOND THAT, IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THE CHARTER COMMISSION AT THAT TIME DOESN'T RECOMMEND A SUGGESTION OR SUGGEST A CHANGE WOULD BE TO KEEP IT AT $200 PER DIEM AND YOU CAN SEE THE MAXIMUMS THERE.

ANNUALLY WOULD BE $700,800 FOR YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND $10,400 FOR A YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN. AND SO AGAIN, BUILDING ON THE VERY GOOD WORK AND THE STRATEGIC THINKING THAT MR. STRICKER DID AND PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AND THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD ON THAT AND FEEL LIKE THIS IS A RESPONSIVE RECOMMENDATION CONSIDERING THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD THEN.

MAYBE WHAT I THINK I'LL DO IS I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OTHERS, AND THEN I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE APPROACH ALL THREE OF THESE.

NEXT UP WAS ARTICLE 306.

THIS WAS THE MISCONDUCT SECTION.

THIS WAS THE CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.

THERE WAS A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION TO MAYBE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTICULATE.

AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ASK AN ATTORNEY TO BE MORE ARTICULATE.

YOU GO FROM THAT TO THAT, THAT, TO THAT.

THANK YOU. PETE. SO LET'S NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO READ THIS.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO DEMONIZE IT, AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT IT REALLY MEANS.

SO THE PROCESS THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN FOR TO TO BE MORE ARTICULATE ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO A ANYONE WHO WANTED TO POTENTIALLY FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST A COUNCIL MEMBER FOR MISCONDUCT, THEY WOULD SUBMIT A WRITTEN COMPLAINT UPON A FORM PROVIDED BY THE CITY.

THAT WRITTEN COMPLAINT WOULD BE FILED WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. THE SECRETARY WOULD IMMEDIATELY PROVIDE A COPY TO THE OF THE COMPLAINT TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE MEMBER THAT'S IMPLICATED.

AND THEN REFER THAT COMPLAINT TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WHO WOULD DECIDE WHETHER THAT COMPLAINT CONTAINS SUFFICIENT DETAILS AND ALLEGES A VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER.

IF THIS STARTS TO SOUND FAMILIAR, IT'S BECAUSE IT IS ALIGNED WITH THE PROCESS THAT TODAY AND REALLY, SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE OF THE ETHICS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN THAT ETHICS ORDINANCE.

THE NON IMPLICATED COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN REJECT OR THE COMPLAINT OR REQUIRE AN INVESTIGATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, PETE MAYBE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, BUT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT YOU CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD. COUNCIL MAY APPOINT OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL,

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IN HIS INTEREST. COULD ENGAGE OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE INVESTIGATION REPORT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNCIL WITHIN 15 DAYS AFTER THE COMPLAINT WAS FILED WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.

AND THEN AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS OR NO, NO LATER THAN TEN DAYS OR 30 DAYS AFTER RECEIPT OF THE THE REPORT.

THE INVESTIGATION REPORT.

THE THE COMPLAINT WOULD BE EITHER REJECTED OR SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, AT WHICH TIME THE IMPLICATED COUNCIL MEMBER COULD OFFER A DEFENSE IN PUBLIC AND WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE.

AND THEN IT WOULD TAKE TWO THIRDS OF THE REMAINING SIX MEMBERS.

OR IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE MEMBERS WOULD TAKE AT LEAST TWO THIRDS TO, TO VOTE SOMEONE OFF OF THE COUNCIL FOR MISCONDUCT.

AND SO, AGAIN, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN IN THE ORDINANCE THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN USED IN THE ETHICS ORDINANCE. AND AND TO TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON SEVERAL ETHICS COMPLAINTS THAT WERE FILED PREVIOUSLY.

AND SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S WORKED REALLY WELL THERE, AND WE FEEL LIKE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE CHARTER AND FOR SECTION 3.06.

THE NEXT SECTION WAS AROUND THE THE IDEA OF A BOND FOR, FOR EITHER THE CITY. I'M SORRY FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR OTHER STAFF.

AND WHAT I WANT TO SUGGEST HERE IS THAT WE TAKE THE BOND PORTION OUT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S SECTION ALTOGETHER, AND WE ADDRESS IT IN 1808, WHICH IS BONDS OF CITY OFFICIALS OR BOND OF CITY OFFICIAL, EMPLOYER, DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.

THEREFORE JUST KIND OF FOCUSING ALL THAT DISCUSSION ON ONE SECTION.

THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU SAYS THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL REQUIRE THE CITY MANAGER TO ONE OF TWO THINGS, EITHER HAVE A SURETY BOND OR THE CITY COUNCIL, IN YOUR DISCRETION, MAY, IN LIEU OF THAT PURCHASE A CRIME POLICY ERRORS AND OMISSIONS LIABILITY POLICY OR OTHER APPROPRIATE INSURANCE COVERAGE THAT YOU FEEL WOULD PROTECT THE CITY FROM FROM ANY LOSS.

AND LIKE WITH THE BOND, THE PREMIUM WOULD BE PAID BY THE CITY.

NOW, THIS GIVES YOU THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE WHILE IT REQUIRES THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE EITHER THE BOND OR THE INSURANCE, IT ALLOWS YOU TO DECIDE ON OTHER STAFF POSITIONS. THAT COULD BE AT MY RECOMMENDATION, OR IT COULD BE AT YOUR DISCRETION, BUT IT REQUIRES IT GIVES YOU THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE FORWARD.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO THE COUNCIL IS THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT, WHICH IS FOCUSED ON THE CHARTER TO, TO DECIDE OR TO KIND OF CONSIDER WHETHER THIS LANGUAGE, WHICH PROVIDES YOU WITH THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY MOVING FORWARD, IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO SCHEDULE A SEPARATE BRIEFING WITH YOU AND PERHAPS HAVE SOMEBODY FROM OUR TEAM FROM TML, WHO IS NOW OUR PROVIDER FROM THE RISK POOL, TO COME DOWN AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CRIME POLICY AND THE SURETY WHICH THOSE TWO THINGS ARE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. AND THEN EVEN KIND OF THROW IN THE ERRORS AND OMISSIONS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN ORANGE.

IT'S NOT AN APPLE. IT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.

AND SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN EXPERT IN THAT REALM.

COME DOWN AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR DECISION. AND AGAIN, HERE, YOU KNOW, I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A BOND OR SOME POLICY.

I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE THAT. AND WE CAN DECIDE ON WHO ELSE SHOULD HAVE EITHER A BOND OR SOME POLICY MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.

AND SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.

AT THIS POINT WITH RESPECT TO THESE THREE POINTS, AS WELL AS ANYTHING THAT IN ARTICLES NINE THROUGH 19 WE MIGHT HAVE SOME HOMEWORK ON, AND WE BRING BACK TO YOU NEXT WEEK IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF THAT MAY BE THE CASE.

YOU KNOW, JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I THROW OUT THE IDEA, MAYBE NOT TRYING TO DECIDE ON THESE THREE TONIGHT.

WAITING TO YOU ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK.

AND THEN COMING BACK. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE FOLLOW UP BRIEFING SCHEDULED FOR JULY 14TH.

21ST. I'M SORRY, JULY 21ST WHICH GIVE YOU AMPLE TIME, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD BEFORE YOU HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION. THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TO BE PRESENT WHEN THE DECISIONS ON THESE THREE AND ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING ISSUES NEED TO, TO BE MADE. THE SAME COULD BE TRUE NEXT WEEK WITH, I KNOW, A COUPLE OF ABSENCES, PERHAPS.

AND AGAIN, ALLOW THE WHOLE COUNCIL TO BE PRESENT AT THAT TIME.

SO, MAYOR. LET ME PAUSE THERE AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.

IF NOT, I'M HAPPY TO JUMP RIGHT INTO ARTICLE NINE AND WE CAN START PROGRESSING MOVING FORWARD. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. DON, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I GOT THIS.

THIS IS GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PROVIDING THAT.

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OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO SECTION NINE.

YEAH. SORRY, I WAS I WAS GONNA SAY I AGREE I DON'T KNOW WITH THIS CHART IF WE REALLY NEED AN ENTIRE BRIEFING ON INSURANCE AND SURETY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHERS FEEL.

IT IS APPLES TO APPLES AND I.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR SUGGESTION IS SORT OF A FALSE SENSE OF FLEXIBILITY IN SOME WAYS.

RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE WE ARE THE CRIME POLICY COVERS EVERYBODY ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT COVERS EVERYONE. SO THE QUESTION WE'LL DEBATE LATER IS WHETHER OR NOT WE REQUIRE YOU AND OR OTHERS TO HAVE A SURETY.

SO I MEAN YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. ON TOP OF IT. YEAH.

I SECOND I DON'T THINK I NEED A SOMEBODY COMING IN.

I'M HAPPY. YEAH. AND COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, I WAS EVEN THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IF THAT IS TRUE.

AND WE WE WERE GOOD ON THE TECHNICAL PIECE OF IT.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER AND WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A BUDGET DISCUSSION, EVEN DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE PREMIUMS THAT YOU SEE ON THE HANDOUT THERE FOR THE CRIME INSURANCE.

IF, IF THOSE ARE APPLES TO APPLES WITH THE SURETY BOND AGAIN, FOR A SINGLE PERSON, FOR A SINGLE CITY MANAGER AT $100,000, YOU KNOW, $350 ISN'T MUCH, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT.

IT GROWS EXPONENTIALLY AS YOU GET HIGHER.

AND SO WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION IF YOU'D LIKE.

THAT'S AGREEABLE. COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON. YEAH.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AND YEAH, THANKS FOR YOUR EXPLANATION, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT CHART.

IT'S A GREAT THINGS, BUT THIS TRIGGERS ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO I WAS HOPING THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE.

I WAS JUST RESERVING MY QUESTION FOR THE FUTURE DISCUSSION.

WELL, GOOD. BUT THE QUESTION THAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU COULD EXPLAIN OR YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY EXPLAIN LATER ON IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS SURETY BOND THAT WHAT, THIS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS CAN DO BUT THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT DO? I MEAN, TO ME, YOU KNOW, AND THERE IS TWO THINGS.

APPLE TO APPLE. I MEAN, IF IT IS ALL APPLES TO APPLES, THEN, OKAY, WE CAN ELIMINATE IT ONCE, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THAT CRIME POLICY WILL NOT DO THAT SURETY BOND WON'T DO? AND I THINK THE EXPLANATION ON APPLES TO APPLES AS IT RELATES TO THE CRIME POLICY AND THE SURETY BOND IS A GOOD EXPLANATION, BECAUSE YOU'LL FIND THAT THE CRIME POLICY, ALTHOUGH MORE EXPENSIVE COVERING ALL EMPLOYEES, DOES COVER ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE SURETY BOND WOULD BE COVERING.

YOU KNOW, AND SO ESSENTIALLY IT IS IT IS THE SAME.

IT IS THE SAME COVERAGE.

OBVIOUSLY, ERRORS AND OMISSIONS IS SEPARATE AND DIFFERENT FROM THAT.

SO IS IT SORRY TO GET TO YOUR POINT.

I THINK THE SURETY BOND IS LIKE, IS THAT SORT OF LIKE A HOLDOVER OF STATE LAW THAT USED TO BE REQUIRED IN STATE LAW, BUT NOW IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE.

SO WE CAN DO EITHER. IS THAT WHAT IT'S GETTING MORE OF AN ARCHAIC.

IT'S A HISTORICAL, ARCHAIC LANGUAGE THAT CHARTERS HAD MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. AND THEY EVEN DALLAS STILL HAS THE SAME TYPICAL LANGUAGE IN THERE.

AND SO THE WAY CITIES DEAL WITH IT IS IN THEIR INSURANCE POLICIES, MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ADEQUATE COVERAGE IN CASE THERE'S A LOSS CAUSED BY SOME WRONGDOER.

AND THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT WILL JUST AND THEIR CHARTER LANGUAGE REQUIRES SURETY BONDS, AND THEY WILL ONLY REQUIRE A SURETY BOND OF CERTAIN POSITIONS, AND THEY WON'T PAY THE ANNUAL PREMIUM FOR A CRIME POLICY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE IN A SIMPLE WORD.

SO THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SURETY BOND THAT CAN THAT WILL BE MISSED IF WE HAVE ONLY THE CRIME POLICY. AND LET ME LET ME MAYBE ADD TO THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYONE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN A POSITION OF BEING AN EXPERT IN SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT AN EXPERT IN. SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, OR SHOULD WE BE WAITING FOR THE POTENTIAL INSURANCE EXPERT? YOU KNOW, AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOT FROM OUR INSURANCE EXPERTS, IT IS A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE THAT THAT IS THEIR AREA OF EXPERTISE. OBVIOUSLY, THEIR AREA OF EXPERTISE IS DIFFERENT FROM OURS. IN READING THE POLICIES AND LOOKING AT THE POLICIES, PUTTING THEM SIDE BY SIDE, THAT IS, THAT IS THAT IS THEIR STATEMENT.

NOT NOT MY STATEMENT THAT IT DOES COVER.

WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? WHY DON'T WHY DON'T.

IF THAT'S THE LOAN QUESTION WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE PUT TO OUR INSURANCE CONSULTANT AND HAVE THEM MEMORIALIZE SOMETHING.

IN A MEMO TO THE COUNCIL THAT DESCRIBES YOUR QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER WAS IS THERE? IS THERE ANY. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE LOSE BY HAVING A CRIME POLICY IN LIEU OF A BOND? THAT'S YOUR QUESTION? YES.

OKAY. LET US LET US GET THAT IN WRITING AS OPPOSED TO SCHEDULING A BRIEFING.

WE'LL GET THAT IN WRITING FROM OUR INSURANCE CONSULTANT.

PROVIDE THAT TO YOU IN YOUR PACKET, HOPEFULLY ON THURSDAY, AND YOU CAN HAVE IT IN ADVANCE OF NEXT WEEK.

NEXT MONDAY. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. THAT'D BE GOOD. THANK YOU. AWESOME. OKAY, SO JUST AS A REMINDER WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE WE'LL START WITH ARTICLE NINE.

I'LL GO IN ORDER HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WAS ARTICLE 910.

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YEAH. I HAD A QUESTION ON 902.

WE REQUIRE A SIX MONTH RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

I JUST WANTED TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO MATCH THAT WITH THE COUNCIL REQUIREMENT OF A ONE YEAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.

IT SEEMS THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCY, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INTENTIONAL ON OUR PART OR IF WE WANTED JUST TO TO STREAMLINE THAT.

COUNCILMAN. NO. TO DORIAN? YES. I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH.

I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN JUSTICE THAT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A ONE YEAR MINIMUM ON THAT AS WELL.

LET ME ASK THE COUNCIL IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S OPPOSED TO US MOVING THAT TO ONE YEAR TO MATCH THE REST OF US? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO OPPOSITION, I THINK.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE ON CLARIFICATION ON THAT IS MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY WHO'S CURRENTLY APPOINTED, WHO MAYBE HASN'T HIT THE ONE YEAR MARK, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO OR NOT, BUT IT IMPLIES ANYBODY THAT OBVIOUSLY BY THE TIME THIS HAS PASSED, IT'LL IT'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO I SUSPECT BUT IF NOT, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

YEAH. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. ANY ANYTHING FROM 903 TO 909? EXCELLENT. YOU SEE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSION ON SECTION 910? IT'S VERY MINOR. CLARIFICATION AND SIMPLIFIED LANGUAGE BY AT LEAST AND THEN AND THEN THE CHAIRPERSON AND CHAIRPERSON. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT? COUNCIL MEMBER. JUSTICE? YEAH.

THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THAT, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE, IF ABSENT OR FAILING TO VOTE, DID WE UPDATE THAT OR IS THAT STILL IN THERE? SUBSECTION D YEAH. SORRY.

SUBSECTION D THERE WAS LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THE MINUTES, BLAH BLAH BLAH. UPON EACH QUESTION, OR IF ABSENT OR FAILING TO VOTE, DID WE CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE? NO, IT'S STILL IN THERE. AND SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

IN WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES CAN THEY.

CAN A BOARD MEMBER FAIL TO VOTE THAT THAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME.

I THINK IT REALLY SHOULD BE THAT THEY'RE ABSTAINING FOR SOME REASON, LIKE A CONFLICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO REFLECT THAT. SO IT DOESN'T SUGGEST THAT YOU CAN SHOW UP AND JUST NOT VOTE. RIGHT.

PETE, YOU HAD MENTIONED PETE WHEN WE DESCRIBED THIS.

YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME THAT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE QUALIFIED OR THAT THEY WERE PERMITTED NOT TO VOTE FOR A LEGITIMATE CONFLICT WAS ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YEAH. SO IT'S IT'S JUST LIKE I SAID, SORRY.

IT'S JUST LIKE IN THE CASE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO VOTE.

THE ONLY TIME THEY CAN ABSTAIN OR NOT VOTE IS WHEN THEY HAVE A LEGAL CONFLICT UNDER STATE LAW. YEAH, I GET THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS LANGUAGE SAYS. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SORT OF MY CONCERN IS THAT IT SUGGESTS, IF ABSENT OR FAILING TO VOTE.

SO THE LAST THE SECOND PART SUGGESTS THEY'VE SHOWN UP AND JUST DIDN'T VOTE.

WELL, WHY DON'T WE. WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IN TERMS OF IT IS ADDRESSED IN 906, IN A PREVIOUS SECTION.

CAN WE CONFORM IT? I JUST I DON'T LIKE THAT LANGUAGE.

I THINK THAT THAT AGAIN, IT CREATES A SUGGESTION THAT YOU CAN SHOW UP IN THAT VOTE. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD FIX THAT WE COULD ADD IF FAILING TO VOTE FOR A LEGITIMATE REASON UNDER STATE LAW.

SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. YEAH. RIGHT. IS THAT FINE? YEAH. YOU START AND WE'LL COME BACK HERE.

SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'LL WE'LL MAKE THAT EDIT.

THAT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD EDIT, I THINK.

ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS 910.

NEXT SLIDE IS 910 AS WELL.

AGAIN, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME CLARIFICATION BY AT LEAST.

AND, AND THEN JUST TO THE END.

AND SHALL ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT. GREAT. AND THEN AGAIN YEAH.

JUST REALLY JUST CLARIFIED AND SIMPLIFIED LANGUAGE AGAIN.

JUST YOU SEE A HANDFUL OF LOCATIONS THERE.

911 YOU SEE HERE THAT THE SECTIONS E AND F WERE RELOCATED FROM 912.

SO AS YOU, AS YOU GO TO 912, YOU'RE IN SOME LANGUAGES THAT WAS CLARIFIED.

YOU SEE SOME STRIKETHROUGH. AND SO CAN I.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? TO ME THE LANGUAGE IS IN THERE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THIS TO A VOTE IN ORDER TO CHANGE IT.

LIKE IS THIS REALLY DOES IT NEED TO MOVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO WIND UP WITH 100 PROPOSITIONS IF WE DO THINGS LIKE THIS? NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO.

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AND SO THIS AND THE OTHER ONE, THE RELATED ITEM CAN PROBABLY BE IN THE SAME PROPOSITION. AND IT'LL BE EASIER TO EXPLAIN THE PROPOSITION SO THAT THE VOTERS WON'T BE CONFUSED. OKAY. SO EACH OF THESE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

SO NOW WE'RE MOVING E AND NOW YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON WHETHER TO MOVE EITHER. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. NO OKAY. WE'LL DO IT.

AND OTHERWISE OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT.

SO NO I'VE ALREADY ANTICIPATED THAT.

OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS WAS THE LAST AGAIN.

912 WAS CLARIFICATION.

TEN OH. SO 10.04 IS A PRACTICE.

THAT IS OH. I'M SORRY.

YES, SIR. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME. UNDER 912, IT SAYS THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD SHALL SET A HEARING DATE WITHIN AND IT SAYS 20 DAYS. ARE WE GOING TO DEFINE SOMEWHERE WHETHER THESE REFER TO CALENDAR OR BUSINESS? YES, SIR. WE HAVE. I KNOW THAT WE'VE ADDED A DEFINITION SECTION IN THE FINAL ARTICLE. SO OKAY. SO THAT'S IN THAT.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, DAYS MEANS CALENDAR DAYS.

THAT'S FINE. SO I'M NOT ARGUING THAT.

NO, I WON'T KILL YOU, I PROMISE.

COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? NO, I'M SURE I WILL. OH, OKAY. SO 10.04 IS MODERNIZING AND REALLY BETTER CLARIFYING A PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY WHEN FOUR FOR OUR CIVIL SERVICE POSITIONS, WHEN A POSITION BECOMES VACANT, WE POST IT INTERNALLY FOR ONE WEEK BEFORE WE OFFER IT EXTERNALLY. AND IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO SIGNS UP TO BE ANYONE WHO'S A CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE THAT SIGNS UP TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT POSITION, WE RUN THAT FULL PROCESS THROUGH BEFORE WE TAKE IT OUT.

YOU CAN SEE THERE I THINK WE'VE DONE A BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING THE THE PROCESS.

SO THE BOARD SHALL PROVIDE.

NOW AGAIN, THIS IS THE BOARD IS PROVIDING THE RULES.

THEY'RE NOT. SO THE BOARD SHALL PROVIDE RULES FOR THE CLASSIFIED SERVICE WHICH IS OUR CIVIL SERVICE. COMPETITIVE CLASS OF OF THE CIVIL SERVICE IS ANYONE WHO IS IN A COMPETITIVE POSITION. SO THERE ARE POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT.

FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE ON A PROBATION, YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERED A CIVIL SERVICE COMPETITIVE.

YOU'RE YOU'RE ON PROBATION.

SO THAT AFFORD THE RULE SHALL AFFORD ALL EMPLOYEES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROMOTION PRIOR TO A POSITION BEING POSTED FOR EXTERNAL CANDIDATES.

AND SO THAT WAS THE CLARIFICATION TRYING TO ALIGN THAT BETTER WITH THE LANGUAGE. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK THAT THE COUNCIL PROVIDED.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT. I REFERRED TO THIS WHEN I PREVIOUSLY IN SECTION 1104.

IT'S SIMPLY CHANGING CITIZENS OF THE CITY TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE AT A PUBLIC HEARING, ANY PERSON CAN COME IN AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE A RESIDENT AND OR A CITIZEN.

SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A BETTER AGAIN, GOOD, GOOD SUGGESTION FROM CITY COUNCIL.

ARTICLE 12. ARE THERE ANY ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON ON ARTICLE 12? THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE THE SAME FOR ARTICLE 13.

ARE THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON ARTICLE 13 OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE EXISTING ARTICLE 13 ORDINANCES? ALL RIGHT. ARTICLE 14.

WE'LL START WITH 1401.

YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ADDING LANGUAGE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 502 AS WELL AS STATE LAW. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ARTICLE 14 .01 I DO, COUNCILMEMBER BIAS. THANK YOU, MAYOR DON.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU JUST MENTIONED STATE LAW. WHAT PART OF THAT IS STATE LAW? I THINK EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDERLINED, EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDERLINED. OKAY, WELL, LET ME LET ME I APOLOGIZE FROM THE PETITION, FROM THE THE SENTENCE THAT STARTED WITH THE GIST OF ONE OR MORE PAPERS.

OKAY. I REMEMBER THAT NOW.

SO I'M MY CONCERN WITH 1401.

AND THE SAME APPLIES TO A SECTION WE'LL SEE HERE SHORTLY, WHICH IS 1409. I THINK THAT THE NUMBER OF VOTERS REQUIRED FOR POWER OF INITIATIVE AT THE CURRENT, AT THE CURRENT USING THIS CURRENT FORMULA, IT WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT, IF NOT MORE, THAN WHAT IS IN AN AVERAGE ELECTION IN OUR CITY.

AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE TIED MORE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 50% OR 60% OF THE NUMBER OF VOTERS THAT PARTICIPATED IN A PRIOR ELECTION JUST BECAUSE OF ACCESSIBILITY. I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT TO I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS

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BUT THIS IS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE.

SO I THINK THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE TIED TO AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE THE PERFECT ANSWER TO THIS, WHETHER IT'S 50% OR 60%, BUT IT SHOULD BE TIED TO THE DEFINITION.

SHOULD IT BE 10%, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A VERY, VERY LOW NUMBER, BUT IT SHOULD BE TIED TO PRIOR SIMILAR IN A WAY THAT OUR NUMBERS FOR PETITIONS WHEN WE'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE IS TIED TO PRIOR AS WELL.

SO THAT'S MY AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT APPLIES TO 1401 AND THEN 1409.

SO I HAVE THE SAME COMMENT FOR BOTH OF THOSE. WHEN WE LOOK AT LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT BEHIND IT, BUT THE REALITY IS THOSE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME.

WE HAVE 72,000 REGISTERED VOTERS, APPROXIMATELY AT 10%.

THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 7200.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO FILE A PETITION.

WE HAD ABOUT 12,000 PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION, 60% OF 12,000 TO 7200 PEOPLE.

SO WE'RE NOT A CITY THAT'S GOING TO GROW EXPONENTIALLY IN POPULATION AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF IT, BUT THE REALITY OF IT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IS IT'S THE SAME.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE IT.

AND I SEE COUNCILMAN'S POINT AND, AND THE CONNECTION THERE.

BUT I THINK AS PARTICIPATION VARIES WITH BETWEEN ELECTIONS, I THINK THERE'S TYING IT TO THE ACTUAL ELECTION COUNT.

LET'S, LET'S HEAR OUT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT SOME MORE, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER DOREEN. YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE FACT IS, IS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE.

THAT COULD BE GREATER OR LESS AND GENERALLY BEEN FLOATING FOR FROM ELECTION TO ELECTION.

SO. AND TO COUNCILMAN JUSTICE'S COMMENT ABOUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

IT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

SO I JUST THINK THAT WOULD ADD ANOTHER LEVEL OF PRESSURE AND ANOTHER LEVEL OF OF WELL, NON CONSISTENCY. AND THAT'S MY OPINION.

SO I'LL JUST ADD MY $0.02.

AND AGAIN I'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION IF WE WANT TO HAVE IT.

I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I DON'T I DON'T MIND USING THE OVERALL QUALIFIED VOTERS. THAT'S FINE BY ME.

I THINK IT'S AT LEAST A STEADY NUMBER BECAUSE FROM ELECTION, ELECTION, IF THERE WAS A AN ELECTION WHERE NONE OF US WERE OPPOSED, BUT THERE WAS STILL AN ELECTION FOR WHATEVER OTHER REASON, WE MAY HAVE A SUPER LOW TURNOUT, AND THEN YOU COULD END UP WITH THE SUPER LOW NUMBER TO BE ABLE TO GET A REFERENDUM.

BUT THAT SAID, THE SPIRIT, I THINK OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER BARRIOS WAS GOING FOR IS DO WE OR DO WE NOT MAKE IT EASIER THAN THE 10%? I THINK 10% IS WHAT WAS PERHAPS A REACTION TO THE REFERENDUM THAT CREATED THE ABILITY TO DIRECTLY ELECT OUR MAYOR.

IT USED TO BE 5%, AND THEN THEY BUMPED IT TO 10% TO MAKE IT HARDER.

THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT OVERKILL? FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT IS OVERKILL.

I WASN'T AROUND TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SOME SORT OF HAPPY MEDIUM OR SOME SORT OF LESSENED NUMBER.

CALL IT 7.5%, BUT SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT STILL MAKES IT REASONABLY EASY.

AGAIN, THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY, AND YOU MAY NOT THINK THAT A DIRECTLY ELECTED MAYOR WAS A GOOD THING, BUT THE ONLY WAY WE GOT THAT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A WAY TO GO GET PEOPLE TO SIGN A PETITION AND THE ABILITY TO GET TEN, 10% VERSUS 5% IS PROBABLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US STILL SELECTING OUR MAYOR AND BEING THE SECOND ONLY ONE OF TWO CITIES IN THE ENTIRE STATE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT BE EASIER.

MAYBE NOT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 5% AGAIN, BUT SOMETHING THAT MOVES IN THE DIRECTION OF GIVING PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE POWER.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY $0.02 THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHAMSUL.

YEAH I THINK THIS IS THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OTHER DATA TO COME UP WITH THAT DECISION.

WE JUST CAN'T REALLY. IF WE SAID THAT LAST TIME IT WAS JUST THROWN A NUMBER 10% AND WE'RE NOW IN 10%. AND IF WE EVEN TALK ABOUT 7%, 8%, YOU KNOW WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN 8%? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME BACKUP DATA THAT YOU KNOW, WHY AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT.

DEFINITELY NOT. LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS THING SUPER DIFFICULT TO DO IT.

SAME TIME, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT, LIKE, VERY EASY EITHER, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID THAT IF WE HAVE THAT MINIMUM, NOBODY COMES TO VOTE. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ANOTHER FIVE. YOU KNOW, NEXT ELECTION, NOBODY RUN, YOU KNOW, UNOPPOSED OR OPPOSED.

THEN ONLY 5000 PEOPLE VOTE.

WE HAD THAT IN THE PAST.

YEAH. AND IF WE TIED THAT WITH THAT NUMBER, THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY AN ISSUE.

SO I THINK THIS NEEDS SOME BACKUP INFORMATION TO COME UP EVEN GOING FURTHER DISCUSSION.

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IS THAT A OPTION? I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD.

IT'S IN THE COMMISSION'S REPORT. THAT IS THAT WAS IT IN THE COMMISSION'S REPORT? I DIDN'T REMEMBER SEEING IT. I'M SORRY. NO, NO, THAT'S.

SO IS IT IS IT IS IT BECAUSE WE COULD WE COULD REFINE IT A LITTLE.

IS IT IS IT IS THE CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD REMAIN WITH THE QUALIFIED VOTERS JUST POTENTIALLY IS A QUESTION WE CAN WE WOULD REMAIN WITH THE QUALIFIED VOTER APPROACH, JUST POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT TWEAKING THE PERCENT BECAUSE WE COULD REFINE THE DATA AND BRING IT BACK. SO IT'S RESPONSIVE TO THAT QUESTION.

IF IT'S LIKE WE WANT TO STICK WITH QUALIFIED VOTERS, WE JUST WANT TO REFINE THE PERCENT SO THAT IT FEELS LIKE A FAIR NUMBER.

YEAH, I'M HEARING IT'S THE ISSUE NOW OF THE 10%.

YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

AND I GUESS WHEN I READ IT, I DIDN'T READ IT. IT WAS QUITE AS CLEAR.

BUT WE CAN REFINE WE CAN REFINE IT AND BRING IT BACK.

AND I THINK THE REFERENCE, I THINK THE REFERENCE DATA FROM THE OTHER CITIES WAS ALSO A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL VOTERS.

BUT BUT YEAH, JUST MAYBE PRINTING THAT PAGE OR MAKING IT TO WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE IT IS. COUNCILMEMBER BARRIOS, YOU HAD A QUESTION. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY MAYOR. WELL, I DON'T SEE IT.

WHAT I PROPOSE BEING AN EXTRA COUNCILMAN DORIAN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA WORK.

BUT REALITY CITY SECRETARY DOES DO THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PETITION FOR US TO RUN FOR OFFICE. SO IT'S AN EASY NUMBER TO COME TO.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR APPROACH, AND I'M WILLING TO MEET YOU THERE.

AND I LIKE THAT IDEA. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MENTIONED WRITER AND YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OR SORRY COUNSEL SHAMSUL ABOUT TYING IT TO SOME NUMBER.

SO IF THAT'S LOOKING AT A COMPETITION AND TRYING TO UP IT BECAUSE WHILE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR COMPETITION ISN'T ALWAYS AS I THINK THE SPIRIT OF WE DON'T WANT IT THERE. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, IF THEIR NUMBER IS SO HIGH TO WHERE IT STILL LIMITS, I THINK WE NEED TO PUSH OURSELVES TO BE MORE ACCESSIBLE BY THE PEOPLE.

AND SO THAT IN ITSELF ISN'T A PARAMETER WE NEED TO HOLD TO, BUT IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON TO BEGIN TO, TO TALK.

AND YEAH, I'M ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL. AS YOU MENTIONED, COUNCIL MEMBER DOREEN, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO ONE THING. I MEAN, GENERALLY THAT'S BASED ON, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, QUALIFIED VOTERS.

SO IF WE'RE COMPARED WITH OTHER CITIES.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 120,000 VOTERS HERE IN THE CITY.

IT WOULD JUST BE A IT WOULD BE A PERCENTAGE THAT ACTUALLY VOTED, BUT 121,000 RESIDENTS.

SO I MEAN, IS THAT REALLY A GOOD COMPARISON? IT WOULD BE A PERCENTAGE.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE OUR PERCENTAGE VERSUS THEIR PERCENTAGE, I THINK IS THE COMPARISON THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. NOT NOT JUST POPULATIONS.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. THANK YOU MAYOR. CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING. THERE'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT TWO DIFFERENT FACTORS A PERCENTAGE.

AND WHETHER YOU USE REGISTERED VOTERS OR VOTERS WHEN YOU DO IT THE OTHER WAY, IT'S USUALLY VOTERS IN THE LAST MAYOR'S ELECTION.

SO IT'S IT'S SO YOU CAN YOU CAN INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE ONE WAY TO IF THAT'S OR LESS THAN THE PERCENTAGE THE OTHER WAY.

I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THERE'S THERE'S CONSENSUS AROUND USING QUALIFIED VOTERS. WE JUST WANT TO COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT IS THAT SOME NUMBER BETWEEN 5 AND 10%? YEAH. AND YOU WANT TO SEE THE COMPARISON RIGHT.

SO WE'LL GO BACK AND ONLY MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE BRING YOU ONLY REPORTS IN MAY ALREADY I CAN'T RECALL. BUT WE'LL ONLY REPORT CITIES THAT ARE USING QUALIFIED VOTERS.

SO YOU CAN YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE PERCENTS.

ALL RIGHT. 1402 IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

A COUPLE OF THE CITIES AND A THE ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON 1403 THROUGH 14? REALLY THE REMAINDER OF 14 BECAUSE 1409 IS REALLY THE SAME QUESTION THAT WE WERE JUST DESCRIBING. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS ON 1415.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR THERE WERE NO SUGGESTIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. HOW ABOUT 16? SAME. NO, NO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

ALL RIGHT. ON 17 VERY SIMPLE.

A CHANGE THERE IN THE TITLE AND THEN RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION RATHER THAN THE WORD CHURCH. AND THEN LET ME, LET ME THROW IT OVER TO PETE ON 1703.

JUST TO KIND OF GIVE A QUICK EXPLANATION, I KNOW SEVERAL QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP ABOUT THIS. YEAH. THANK YOU.

WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE.

AND BASICALLY WHAT SECTION 17 IS TALKING ABOUT IS,

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OUR PROPERTY IS EXEMPT FROM EXECUTION AND EXECUTION FROM COURT COSTS.

AND OUR PROPERTY CAN'T BE SEIZED OR OUR BANK ACCOUNTS CAN'T BE GARNISHED EITHER, EXCEPT WHEN STATE OR FEDERAL LAW ALLOWS US.

SO THAT'S ALL THAT THAT SECTION SAYS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. PETE.

ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. OH. YES, SIR.

JUST A CLARIFICATION SO I DON'T THE NEXT SENTENCE IS WHERE I FEEL LIKE IT.

IT SAYS THE CITY SHALL NOT BE OBLIGATED TO RECOGNIZE ANY ASSIGNMENT OF WAGES OR FUNDS BY ITS EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR CONTRACTORS, EXCEPT REQUIRED BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO IF THERE'S A.

IF ONE OF OUR HOUSEKEEPING PERSONNEL HAVE A HAS A GARNISHMENT PLACED UPON THEM THAT THAT'S COVERED BY STATE LAW.

CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE SUPERSEDED.

IT WOULD NOT BE SUPERSEDED IF IT'S COVERED BY STATE LAW.

BUT IT'S ALSO TALKING ABOUT A CONTRACTOR MIGHT ASSIGN THE BENEFITS OF THE CONTRACT.

SO IT'S IT'S SAYING THAT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO I CAN ONLY WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ASSIGNMENT TO THE BENEFIT OF SOME OTHER PARTY IS IF WE CONSENT.

AND SO THERE'S NO LEVY, CAN'T HAVE A JUDGMENT.

TRY TO COLLECT AGAINST OUR PROPERTY.

CAN'T FORCE ANY KIND OF GARNISHMENT OF OUR OUR EMPLOYEES WAGES UNLESS THERE'S A STATE OF FEDERAL LAW AND MANDATES.

AND WE WE DO THAT RIGHT NOW ON CHILD SUPPORT, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT THERE'S THERE'S NO SO SO CHILD SUPPORT IS GARNISHED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES, YES. AND IS THERE ANY OTHER I MEAN, I GUESS IF THERE'S SOME OTHER TYPE OF LAWSUIT FILED AND THERE'S A GARNISHMENT DOES THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE. IRS WITHHOLDINGS.

OKAY. INCOME TAX. BUT NOT NOT NOT A CIVIL SUIT.

SO SOMEBODY SUES AN EMPLOYEE, THEY GET A JUDGMENT AGAINST THEM OR, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GET ANY GUARDSMAN AGAINST THE WAGES.

THEY DON'T GET ANY LIEN ON OUR PROPERTY.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND AGAINST THE CITY'S PROPERTY, BUT FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE.

RIGHT. THERE'S NO GARNISHMENT FOR CIVIL JUDGMENTS IN TEXAS.

FOR FOR ANYONE OR JUST CITY EMPLOYEES.

JUST FOR OUR FANS. I CAN'T SPEAK TO.

I DON'T REPRESENT PRIVATE ENTITIES, BUT.

BUT. WELL, I KNOW YOU.

I JUST I GUESS I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

IF A COURT ORDERS THEIR WAGES TO BE GARNISHED.

YES. THEN. THEN WE'LL HONOR THAT.

SO IF IT'S A COURT ORDER AND IT'S ORDERED.

OKAY, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

SO SAY SOMETHING. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OF AN EXAMPLE.

IF SOMEONE'S INVOLVED IN A CAR ACCIDENT AND THEY'RE AT FAULT AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, AND THERE'S A CIVIL LAWSUIT AND THE JUDGE SAYS, AND THE PERSON SAYS, WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ASSETS, THEY CAN PAY IT.

AND SO IF THE JUDGE WERE TO ASSIGN A GARNISHMENT, WE WOULD HONOR THAT. OR THIS SAYS THAT WE DON'T.

IF WE WERE REQUIRED BY LAW, THE COURT ISSUED ISSUED IT.

HONESTLY, MY MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, I'M NOT IN THAT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT. OKAY. I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING UP ANYTHING.

SO IF STATE OR FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES IT, WE'LL DO THAT.

OTHERWISE WE DON'T. AND THAT'S IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO ANSWER THAT HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE I CAN'T RECALL IT. YEAH. AND THAT'S FINE.

I'M JUST ASKING YOU. WE'LL GET WE'LL GET NOTICES FROM ATTORNEYS SOMETIMES THAT, HEY, YOU NEED TO TAKE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OUT OF SUCH AND SUCH, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW CHECKING BALANCE AND PAY IT, PAY IT TO MY CLIENT. WE DON'T HONOR THAT UNLESS IT WAS COURT ORDERED.

YEAH. I MEAN, I GUESS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE IF IT'S A COURT ORDER, THEN WE FOLLOW IT. IF IT'S NOT, WE DON'T.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ON 18, THERE ARE TWO VERSIONS OF THIS.

I WANT TO JUST GET OUT AHEAD OF VERSION TWO, AND I GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS AS CITY MANAGER.

I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT LIKE, LIKE SEVERAL OTHER EXAMPLES I CAN THINK OF, WHEN YOU AGREE TO BE AN EMPLOYEE, YOU WAIVE CERTAIN OPPORTUNITIES AND.

I THINK THAT I THINK THE VERSION ONE FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS SPOT ON WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE HEARD FROM COUNSEL, CURRENT AND PAST, AS WELL AS FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE A STRONG DESIRE TO SERVE BUT DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THEY SHOULD BE PENALIZED ON ON CERTAIN KINDS OF ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PROGRAMS LIKE THIS.

SO I AGAIN APPRECIATE THE 18, THE SECOND VERSION OF 1801.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD BE TO FOCUS ON VERSION ONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I ALLUDED TO THIS WHEN THE COMMISSION WAS HERE,

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AND I THINK IT CREATES AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.

I DON'T THINK THAT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM. THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME UP WITH, WHAT IS IT, $20,000 TO PARTICIPATE? I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A REALLY OBJECTIVE PROCESS, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE THE COMMISSION LOOKED AT WHEN THEY MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT REALLY DO YOU CHECK THESE FOUR BOXES? OKAY.

YOU GET IT. BUT FOR ME, I JUST ANY APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY I'M NOT A FAN OF. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THIS CAN CREATE THAT DESPITE THE OBJECTIVE NATURE OF IT. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF OF ADDING THIS LANGUAGE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OR FOR EMPLOYEES, FOR THAT MATTER. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARRIOS. YEAH. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I SHARE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE IS SAYING.

YOU THREW ME OFF THERE ON THE COUNCIL ON THE VERSION 1 OR 2, DON, WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING.

SO THIS CURRENT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOTWITHSTANDING.

IS THIS WHAT I HAVE HERE? I'M JUST THIS IS A VERSION.

SO VERSION ONE FOCUSES ON PROVIDING THE POSSIBILITY FOR ONLY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. VERSION TWO EXTENDS THAT TO EMPLOYEES AND APPOINTED BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, AND SO GO TO VERSION ONE.

SO THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTED.

THIS WILL ALLOW THEM BY NOT BY.

RIGHT. BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE BY ALLOWING SPECIFICALLY NAMED PROGRAMS. MY CONCERN AND WHAT I WANT TO AVOID IS A COMMISSION MEMBER ENTERING INTO A DEVELOPMENT DEAL, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE A COUNCIL OR, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT 380 AGREEMENTS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK TIF FUNDS OR I MEAN, AS A CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ANY OF THAT THAT'S VALID OF UNDER 500,000, RIGHT? WE ONLY SEE THE BIG STUFF.

BUT I WANT TO MY CONCERN IS IF THEY'RE PROFITING A A DOLLAR OR ANYTHING THERE, WHETHER IT'S $100,000 OR $1 MILLION DEAL.

RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE SEE OR SOMETHING YOU DO AS PART OF YOUR POWER AND YOUR AUTHORITY, THAT IT BE SOMETHING THAT IS ONLY ALLOWED BY ORDINANCE OR THAT WE SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS IS CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THERE'S A CLEAR PROCESS.

SO I'M NOT I'M KIND OF CONCERNED EVEN ADDING THIS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE.

SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SURE.

SO SO THE THE NOTHING WOULD CHANGE REGARDING ANY OF THOSE OTHER CONTRACT CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS THAN FROM TODAY.

THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE IF YOU DECIDED TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAID BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE HOME IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO ENTER INTO FOR ALL OF THE SAME REASONS THAT EXIST TODAY.

ALL OF THOSE OTHER CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS WOULD STILL NOT BE ON THE TABLE. THEY WOULD STILL BE PROHIBITED. AND WE WOULD WE WOULD VET THOSE THE SAME WAY.

WE VET THEM TODAY TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE WHO WHO ISN'T WHO ISN'T PERMITTED TO ENTER INTO THAT CONTRACT.

AND SO I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU.

IT'S IT'S THAT IT'S THAT TERMINOLOGY SAYING THAT THEY CAN ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT, BUT ONLY AFTER THE COUNCIL TAKES THE OFFICIAL ACTION OF PASSING AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING IT. BECAUSE TO ME, EVERY BORDER COMMISSIONER MEMBER RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PROHIBITED FROM ANY CONTRACT, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS. SO THEY WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED IN THE FUTURE TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS THAT YOU EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

AND I'M GOING TO RESTATE FOR CLARIFICATION.

SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A MEMBER OF A COMMISSION RIGHT NOW WHO IS ALSO AN INVESTOR, WHETHER IT BE IN RESTAURANTS OR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT OR OF SOME SORT IN OUR CITY, WE WOULD HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE SAYING COMMISSIONERS ARE ALLOWED TO ENTER INTO, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT DEAL FOR BUSINESS? I DON'T KNOW. WHATEVER THE WORDING IS THERE. RIGHT. LET'S SAY FOR A RESTAURANT THEN WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS LATER IF THAT PASSED.

AND IN ORDER FOR US TO PASS THAT ORDINANCE, WE WOULD HAVE AN IT WOULD WE WOULD HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION. AROUND THE DAIS IN A COUNCIL MEETING FOR THAT TO PASS.

CORRECT. LIKE IT WOULD BE A VERY OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS JUST LIKE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORIZATION FOR YOU TO TO ENACT SOME LEGISLATION IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

SO OTHERWISE, OFFICERS OF THE CITY AND EMPLOYEES CAN HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY EXCEPT IN CONNECTION WITH THEIR EMPLOYMENT.

SO, SO BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S IN ESSENCE, A CONTRACT. YOU DO THIS AND WE DO THAT.

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ONLY ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO IN THE ORDINANCE, AFTER YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION AND YOU VOTE AND ENACT AN ORDINANCE LEGISLATION.

WOULD THERE BE A PROGRAM FOR THE DEFINED BOARD MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN? YOU COULD EVEN PUT DOLLAR DOLLAR LIMITS.

ALL THOSE CONSTRAINTS YOU CAN PUT IN THAT ORDINANCE ITSELF.

ALL THIS IS DOING IS GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENACT LEGISLATION TO CREATE A SMALL EXCEPTION. OKAY, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. HOPING THAT FUTURE COUNCILS WILL BE CAUTIOUS WHEN PASSING THOSE ORDINANCES. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAMSUL THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, I MEAN THIS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, MY EXPECTATION THAT THIS WOULD BE ONLY ALLOWED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE HOME INCENTIVE PROGRAM. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW BOARD MEMBERS OR COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT RESIGNED BECAUSE THEY WERE PLANNING TO IMPROVE THEIR HOUSE.

ANOTHER THING, THIS THIS IS PROBABLY THE MORE COMMON CASE.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME OTHER KIND OF BUSINESS INVOLVING THE BOARD COMMISSION, THOSE ARE VERY SPECIALIZED. PROBABLY IF IT WILL AFFECT MAYBE RARELY, PROBABLY 1 OR 2 BOARD MEMBERS IF IT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, EVEN THOSE ARE NOT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OR RESIDENTS THEY DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY THAT OFTEN.

SO. SO THOSE I THINK I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IF WE ARE JUST SPECIFYING ONLY FOR THE HOME INCENTIVE, NOTHING MORE.

VERY CLEAR. NO CONFUSION.

AND BUT YEAH, LET ME INTERJECT BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION, I DRAFTED THE LANGUAGE AND I DIDN'T I DIDN'T CALL IT THE HIP PROGRAM OR WHATEVER THE ANACHRONISM IS BECAUSE IT MAY EVOLVE INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND MAY BE KNOWN AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO SO COUNCILMAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT AUTHORIZING PARTICIPATION IN ANY PROGRAM VIA THIS ARTICLE IN THIS SECTION.

SO IT'S YOU'RE PUTTING A HOME IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM WOULD BE A A BIGGER STEP FORWARD THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.

ALL WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT THE COUNCIL, FUTURE COUNCILS, THIS COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCILS WOULD HAVE THE LATITUDE TO CONSIDER IT ACTUALLY INCLUDING THE HOME IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM. WOULD WOULD COMMIT THAT STRATEGY FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, UNLESS WE CALL IT AN ELECTION TO REVERSE THAT.

WHEREAS IF YOU DO IT BY AN ORDINANCE, YOU COULD DO THAT ON ANY MONDAY THAT YOU WANTED TO DO IT. SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'M JUST SAYING THAT BEING SPECIFIC TO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER PROGRAM IN THE CHARTER IS ACTUALLY TAKING IT A STEP FURTHER THAN WHAT WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS.

THIS JUST GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER DOING THAT IN THE FUTURE AND TAKING THAT ACTION. YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT LIMITING TO ANYTHING.

AND WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE THINGS AUTOMATICALLY.

EVEN IF YOU LEAVE THE ROOM FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE CERTAIN THINGS, WE'RE TRYING TO. THIS IS THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S NOT ONLY FOR THE BOARD AND COMMISSION, ALSO THE COUNCIL TO BE TRANSPARENT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS COUNCIL IS NOT TRANSPARENT.

THIS COUNCIL IS TRANSPARENT. IT WAS IT WAS TRANSPARENT.

BUT IN THE FUTURE, THERE COULD BE ANOTHER FOUR SETS OF PEOPLE SITTING HERE.

THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER INDIRECT CONNECTION WITH SOMEONE EVEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LEAVE A LOOPHOLE SOMEWHERE INSIDE, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM. I MEAN, EXACTLY, THAT'S A LOOPHOLE LANGUAGE.

YEAH. THIS IS LOOPHOLE LANGUAGE. I MEAN, EVEN AS A AS AN ENGINEER, I SEE BECAUSE I HEAR THINGS FROM CONTRACTORS EVERY DAY.

I TRY TO AVOID THE LOOPHOLE LANGUAGE, AND I DON'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE LAWYER TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

I THINK I THINK IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A VERY SPECIFIC THING, I'LL BE HAPPY AND SUPPORTING THESE THINGS.

OTHERWISE, IF EVEN THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO NOT EVEN DO ANYTHING.

THAT'S MY OPINION. COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

YEAH I JUST. AND MR. MAJOR, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS AS WELL.

IN THE EVENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VERSUS INCENTIVE PROGRAM, ONE I CONSIDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ENGAGED IN, WHETHER FINANCIAL INVESTMENT OR WHETHER IT'S PERSONAL GAIN OR AN INVESTMENT VERSUS THE THE GENERAL INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD FOR MANY YEARS NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AN EMPLOYEE OR A COMMISSIONER OR EVEN A COUNCIL, YOU CAN'T USE THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CANNOT.

AND THE $20,000 THRESHOLD IS, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF MONEY TO TO RENOVATE OR, YOU KNOW INCREASE THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT IN THE EVENT THIS WERE TO TAKE PLACE,

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RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT NOW IT'S ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.

YEAH. OKAY, I THINK SO.

SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AND IT COULD BE ANY CONTRACT THAT THAT THE PERSON HAS A FINANCIAL AND NOT JUST AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR A HIP AGREEMENT COULD BE ANY CONTRACT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE EASIEST WAY TO THINK OF IT IS THIS LANGUAGE. I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T SEE IT AS A LOOPHOLE AND I DON'T SEE IT AS TRANSPARENT. THE COUNCIL HAS TO TAKE A PUBLIC ACTION AND PASS AN ORDINANCE TO PERMIT A BOARD OR COMMISSION MEMBER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HOME IMPROVEMENTS IN A PROGRAM.

IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER PROGRAM.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CONTRACT THAT ANYBODY SERVING ON OUR BORDER COMMISSION WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENTER INTO.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE FROM TODAY. SO IS THAT THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF IT TODAY.

AND I THINK THE LOOPHOLE COMES IN THAT COUNCILMAN SHAMSUL IS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT IN THE FUTURE, THE CITY CAN CREATE TEN MORE PROGRAMS AND THEY MAY MAYBE THEY AREN'T OBJECTIVE PROGRAMS ANYMORE. MAYBE THERE'S A SUBJECTIVE ELEMENT TO EACH OF THEM. AND NOW WE'RE GETTING FURTHER INTO AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. BUT THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THAT.

I GET IT, BUT BUT THAT THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE I THINK THAT HE'S REFERENCING.

THERE CAN BE FUTURE PROGRAMS THAT ARE CREATED, AND THEN THAT FUTURE COUNCIL MAY NOT BE AS TRANSPARENT, THEN ALLOWS PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

AND SO IT'S IT THAT'S I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SHAMSUL LIKE I'M THAT'S PART OF WHY I'M REALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. BECAUSE I THINK THIS LEAVES A LOT OF LATITUDE FOR FUTURE COUNCILS. THAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.

FAIR ENOUGH. MAYOR PRO TEM MAYOR PRO TEM HUTSON WRITER.

SO I JUST WANT TO ASK A CLARIFICATION.

CLARIFICATION. SO, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T SUPPORT VERSION 1 OR 2? YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IS MY UNDERSTANDING, 110%. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING.

SO. I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN THAT WHEN I READ THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM OR OTHER SIMILAR PROGRAM OR OTHER SIMILAR PROGRAM, THAT LANGUAGE THAT KIND OF OPENS.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO PASS A, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF TOMORROW TWO BOARDS AND COMMISSION PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS, I GUESS THERE'S JUST IT JUST OPENS UP AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I MEAN, I KNOW THIS CAME UP SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE HOME INCENTIVE PROGRAM, AND I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF ON THAT. BUT THIS JUST IT JUST OPENS IT UP.

AND TO COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE'S POINT, I JUST I HAVE THE CONCERN THAT WHEN WE START TALKING, I MEAN, THE WAY IT'S WORDED TO TO PARTICIPATE IN A CITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM OR OTHER SIMILAR PROGRAM.

IT OPENS IT UP AND IT TAKES FOUR OF US TO TO, IN ESSENCE, AN ACT THAT IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY AND YOU KNOW, THAT WORDING, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU HOW I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S A VERY STRONG DEFINITIONAL AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET DEFINITIONAL PAY PAGE THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS CITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

I MEAN, MANY OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, NOW, SEVEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THERE, I THINK HAS MET THAT CITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM. SO IT AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE YOU'D HAVE TO GET FOUR PEOPLE TO AGREE TO IT AND YOU'D HAVE TO DEBATE IT IN OPEN.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT EXACTLY.

IF IT'S IF IT'S AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IS THAT A WASTE OF TIME BASICALLY.

YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST I JUST I DON'T IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF EFFORT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY DOGGONE SMALL, AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING THAT MUCH.

SO I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST NOT EVEN CONSIDER VERSION 1 OR 2 AND LEAVE IT AS IS.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AND COUNCILMEMBER BARRIOS, YOU'LL BE NEXT. BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL BEING CLEAR, LET'S SAY THIS MORE GENERIC LANGUAGE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

IS WHAT'S THE CONCERN? IF IT ACTUALLY NAMED ONLY THE HIP PROGRAM, IF THAT WOULD MAKE YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. JUST SO WE KNOW THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT, OR WE JUST GET RID OF IT ALTOGETHER.

IF WE SEEM TO HAVE YOU KNOW, A PREPONDERANCE OF US MOVING FORWARD.

SO. COUNCILMEMBER BARRIOS. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. A FEW MINUTES AGO WHEN I SPOKE, I WAS KIND OF HONESTLY, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING IN LIGHT OF COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE'S POINTS.

I THINK SHE HAS SOME VERY VALID POINTS.

SO EARLIER I SHOWED SUPPORT OF THIS.

I WANT TO WITHDRAW THAT.

AND I THINK I'M WITH COUNCILWOMAN.

MY APOLOGIES. I'M WITH COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE ON THIS AND SAYING, LEAVE IT AS IT IS. LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

AS IN, DON'T ADD IT AT ALL.

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UNDERSTOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

OH. I'M SORRY. I THAT'S OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER. JUSTICE.

YEAH. JUST TO YOUR PROPOSAL, EVEN IF WE WERE TO TRY AND GET REALLY SPECIFIC AND SAY, THE HOME INCENTIVE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THE HOME IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM, THAT COULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT WE DEFINE THAT AS SO.

SO THAT'S STILL AN ISSUE FOR ME.

YEP. JUST ADDING FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT THE GENERIC VALUE.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF IF IT'S SPECIFIC IF IT CHANGES ANYTHING.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHAMSUL THANK YOU.

WELL I MEAN IF YOU KNOW IF THE PROGRAM EVOLVES AND BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL THIS, YOU KNOW WE I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY LOOPHOLE THERE.

BUT IF WE COULD JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC, PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT, PUT A CONDITION THAT IT IS OWN HOME OR SOMETHING.

IF BUT IF THOSE ARE SO RESTRICTIVE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO FORWARD, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T. AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT BOARD MEMBERS THERE BEING PENALIZED BECAUSE THEY SERVE ON THAT BOARD AND NOW THEY HAVE TO RESIGN.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT OF COURSE, THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST IS PROBABLY THE BEST THINGS TO DO. AVOID EVERYTHING.

I AGREE. I FEEL LIKE THE ONLY THING THAT HAS EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF LIFE AND ONLY A LITTLE BIT OF LIFE IS IF WE WERE SUPER SPECIFIC.

AND I'M LEAVING THAT OPEN JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER MISSING AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGESTION.

BUT OTHERWISE I'M NOT HEARING A WHOLE LOT OF COMFORT WITH THE VERY WIDE VERSION OF THIS.

SO LET'S LET'S MOVE ON.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT SECTION IS 1805. WELL, ACTUALLY, WERE THERE ANY ANY QUESTIONS ON 1802, 1804? ALL RIGHT.

1805. VERY, VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.

AND THEN. 1807. IS THE NEXT CHANGE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S ADDING CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.

MENTIONED 1808 ALREADY IN CONJUNCTION WITH I THINK IT WAS SECTION 603, WHICH WAS THE WHICH THE CITY MANAGER BOARD 1809 IS A NEW SECTION.

I BELIEVE THIS IS FAIRLY OR I BELIEVE THIS IS FAIRLY STANDARD LANGUAGE ON HOW YOU WOULD HOPEFULLY NEVER HAVE TO, BUT HOW YOU WOULD DEAL WITH A SITUATION LIKE THIS. YEAH, WELL, WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITY CHARTER SECTIONS AND PUT THE BEST OF THE BEST TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH THIS.

THAT FIRST SUBSECTION IS A RESTATEMENT FROM STATE LAW.

AND THEN SUBSECTION B IS, IS TO DEAL WITH A LOCAL DISASTER WHERE THE GOVERNOR OR OR THE PRESIDENT ARE NOT INVOLVED.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAD SUGGESTED.

AND THE COMMISSION HAD HAD LIKED THE IDEA.

MAYOR PRO TEM, CAN I GO BACK FOR 30S? BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR TO ME IS UNDER SECTION 1807, CONDEMNATION OF DANGEROUS STRUCTURES.

IT SAYS WHENEVER, IN THE OPINION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER OR OTHER CITY APPROPRIATE CITY OFFICIAL, ANY BUILDING FENCE, BLAH BLAH, BLAH BLAH BLAH, SO HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY WORK? I MEAN, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND. I THINK WE ALL WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A, A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE.

BUT I MEAN, IS THAT DOES IT HAVE TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL? NO, IT'S A CITY OF FOUR VOTES OR WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE WAY OF IT? THE WAY YOUR ORDINANCE IS ESTABLISHED CURRENTLY IS YOU DO WHAT WE CALL CHAPTER 54 HEARINGS. WE'LL BE HAVING ONE ON WEDNESDAY, AND IT'S THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.

AND THROUGH STATE LAW, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 54 AND CHAPTER 214 GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH A BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. THEN THAT BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION MAKES A DETERMINATION AS IT RELATES TO SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURES.

AND THEN THERE'S A DEFINITION IN CHAPTER 54 AND 214 OF WHAT A SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURE IS.

AND THEN THE LEGAL PROCESS ABSENT A BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, YOU CAN YOU CAN TAKE IT. CHAPTER 54 214.

YOU CAN TAKE THAT THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS. ALSO SAME TERMINOLOGY APPLIES.

DON'T HAVE A BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO STEP IN THE SHOES AND ACT IN THE SAME CAPACITY AS THAT BUILD AS THAT BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION WOULD ACT.

BUT REMEMBER THAT. AND THAT'S JUST DEALING WITH SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURE. IT'S A LITTLE MISCONCEIVED BECAUSE IT'S CONDEMNATION. EMINENT DOMAIN IS DEALT WITH BACK IN SECTION 2.03. SO WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE CITY MANAGER OR OTHER

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WE HAVE PROVISIONS IN THE FIRE CODE AS WELL, THE FIRE CODE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL CAN JUST JUST SIGN AN ORDER AND DECLARING THIS PLACE TO BE UNSAFE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

AND IT'S IMMEDIATE. SAME WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

THE BUILDING BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN GO IN AND IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A OR EVEN INTO A RESTAURANT, IT'S AN IMMEDIATE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.

HE CAN SIGN THE ORDER AND WE CAN CLOSE IT DOWN IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A HEARING OR DUE PROCESS, IF IT'S AN IMMEDIATE HEALTH ISSUE, AND THEN THEY CAN SIGN IT.

SO THOSE DON'T THOSE WOULD NOT COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE IT'S AN IMMEDIATE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. PERFECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS, JIM. APPRECIATE THAT. SO 1809 IS JUST GETTING A NEW GOVERNMENT AGAIN.

THE BEST FROM OTHER CHARTERS.

NEW SECTION TO REQUIRE A CODE OF ETHICS.

DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR CODE OF ETHICS. JUST REQUIRES IT. AND THEN AGAIN, A 1903 IS JUST THE CHARTER AMENDMENT EVERY TWO YEARS.

JUST SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.

AND A COUPLE OF SECTIONS.

AND THEN 1906 AGAIN, FURTHER DEFINED THE NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. MAYOR PRO TEM GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, TWO THIRDS OF THE CITIES IN DALLAS, ONE THIRDS IN COLLIN COUNTY BACK ON THE AND I REALIZE IT'S PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT. WHICH ONE ARE YOU.

I'M SORRY. RIGHT THERE. 1809.

WHY WOULD WE ONLY ASK THE COUNTY JUDGE OF DALLAS COUNTY TO A POINT WHEN WE'VE GOT ONE THIRD OF THE CITY SITTING IN COLLIN COUNTY, BECAUSE OUR PRINCIPALLY, WE'RE IN DALLAS COUNTY.

WE CLAIM DALLAS COUNTY IS THE VENUE FOR LAWSUITS.

IT'S NO OFFENSE TO COLLIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I MEAN IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE MOST LIKELY WHEN YOU SAY PRINCIPALLY, IS THAT A, LIKE A IS THAT A I APOLOGIZE.

IS THAT A LIKE A LEGAL TERM? WHERE WHERE THE THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY IS IN A COUNTY AND THEREFORE THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY, THE MAJORITY OF THE VALUE, PROPERTY VALUE.

THE THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON TO IT.

OKAY. BUT I MEAN, IF IF WE IF WE'RE SUED IN SOME OTHER COUNTY, WE'LL CLAIM DALLAS COUNTY AS THE VENUE.

SO I, WE COULD WE COULD CHANGE THAT AND ADD IT.

I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD GO TO COLLIN COUNTY OR DALLAS COUNTY.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF WE CHANGE IT AT ALL. I WOULD I WOULD ALMOST THINK YOU WOULD CHANGE IT TO THE COUNTY JUDGE OF THE MISSING COUNCIL MEMBERS.

PERHAPS IF IT'S A PLACE THING, BUT IT STILL FEELS DIFFICULT.

WHY NOT JUST COUNTY JUDGE, DALLAS COUNTY OR COLLIN COUNTY? GOT IT. IT'S GOING TO BE NOVEL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO, WHERE DID THIS COME? THE ENTIRE PURPOSE IS TO CREATE A PROCESS FOR IF IT'S DOOMSDAY.

SO LIKE GIVING US LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO COLLIN COUNTY? ARE WE GOING TO DALLAS COUNTY WHEN EVERYBODY'S DEAD? LIKE, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S WE DON'T NEED TO BE MAKING THAT.

WHOEVER'S MAKING THAT DECISION AT THAT POINT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE TO SORT OF FLIP A COIN.

YEAH, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I MEAN, WE ARE IN DALLAS COUNTY.

WHY EVEN WHERE I JUST I JUST ALWAYS IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK WE HAVE TO ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TWO THIRDS, ONE THIRDS. I UNDERSTAND THE POINT, I REALIZE IS PROBABLY I'LL NEVER GET ENACTED.

SO I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST IT BOTHERED ME AS I READ IT.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP. I, I THINK IT'S A FAIR POINT.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE.

AGAIN, JUST FURTHER DEFINING NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES WHICH SHOULD HELP IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEN YOUR DEFINITIONS PAGES.

YOUR LAST SECTION. IT IS 1907.

YOU WILL SEE. PETE. WELL, CAN YOU PETER JOE, CAN YOU KIND OF JUST TALK NOT NOT READ THE DEFINITION, BUT TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE BASIS FOR THE DEFINITIONS, THE DIFFERENT TERMS. WELL.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ONE, BUT THEN WE HAD A REQUEST FOR ONE BECAUSE FOLLOWING THE, THE, THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, ELECTION FOR DIRECT ELECTION OF MAYOR AND THE LAST CHARTER AMENDMENT, WE WENT AHEAD AND CLEARED UP ALL THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE ABOUT WHAT DID COUNCIL MEMBER MEAN? WHAT DID COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL. ALL THAT.

AND WE PROVIDED EXTENSIVE BRIEFING TO THE COUNCIL.

AND THEN WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE 2015 AMENDMENTS TO THE.

SO YOU'LL FIND THAT DEFINITION OF COUNCIL IN SECTION 301 A OF THE CHARTER.

SO IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.

BUT FOR EASE WE CAPTURED THAT AND PUT IT DOWN THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUST AS YOU ASKED ABOUT DAY.

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ABOUT THAT. IF WE DON'T EVER MEAN BUSINESS DAY, WHY ARE WE INCLUDING THE DEFINITION OF BUSINESS DAY? SHOULDN'T IT JUST BE CALENDAR DAY? OR DO WE EVER MEAN BUSINESS DAY? I THOUGHT THE WHOLE POINT WAS THAT BY STATE LAW, DAY MEANT CALENDAR DAY.

AND I SAID, THAT'S NOT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC, AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC.

SO HANG ON. I WAS, I WAS, I WAS, I WAS TOLD, AND MAYBE INCORRECTLY, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT WE DID HAVE A REFERENCE TO BUSINESS DAY SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

OKAY. CAN WE, I GUESS DOUBLE CHECK THAT? AND IF NOT, I WOULD SAY CHANGE THAT TO CALENDAR DAY.

I'M SORRY. SAY IT AGAIN.

I WOULD SAY DOUBLE CHECK THAT. AND IF THERE'S NOT A REFERENCE TO BUSINESS DAY THEN THEN MAKE THIS CALENDAR DAY TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE JUST SAY DAY, WE MEAN CALENDAR DAY. AND OKAY.

I MEAN, SO YOU WOULD REMOVE THE FIRST SENTENCE IF THERE'S NO REFERENCE, IF THERE IS NO WORD, IF WE DON'T USE THE WORDS BUSINESS DAY IN THE CHARTER, THEN JUST REMOVE THE FIRST SENTENCE IN THAT DEFINITION. IN SECOND SENTENCE SHOULD HOLD UP I THINK. YEAH. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARRIOS. OKAY. OH, SORRY.

GO AHEAD. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I JUST LAUGHING BECAUSE I HAD I HAD THAT IN THERE AND AND THEN THE CREW SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY GOT IT IN BUSINESS DAY, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE DAY AND BUSINESS DAY.

YEAH. WE ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO.

WE DO. YEAH I AGREE. OKAY.

ANYWAY, I UNDERSTAND THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEFINITION.

IF THERE IF THERE'S JUST DAYS AND BUSINESS DAYS, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE MEAN.

YEP. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER VARGAS.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBERS.

CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT THAT NOW? OR DO YOU? OR SHOULD I WAIT? YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBERS MEANS THAT SIX MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, EXCLUDING THE MAYOR.

IN A SIMILAR THREAD OF WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE WAS, THE POINT SHE WAS MAKING.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS, WHEN WE USE COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS A VOTING MEMBER OF THE SEVEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT QUORUM AND OTHER DUTIES THAT THE MAYOR'S INCLUDED AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AS WE'VE ALWAYS INCLUDED, IS INCLUDED AS A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

HE'S NOT A COUNCIL MEMBER.

HE'S A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

HE'S A MEMBER. I'M SORRY.

HE'S A MEMBER OF THE BODY.

OKAY. YOU'RE THE. YOU'RE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

HE'S A MEMBER OF THIS BODY.

OKAY. SO JUST AS WE AS WE LOOK AT THIS THROUGHOUT.

LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE DON'T NEED TO CLARIFY THAT ANYWHERE.

YEAH. SO. SO, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, THESE THIS DEFINITION, THE THE TWO THAT YOU SEE HAVE BEEN IN THE CHARTER FOR 2015 SINCE 2015.

RIGHT. SO THEY DID THAT RECONCILIATION THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, I THINK IN 2015 AND THEN RECONFIRMED IT THIS TIME.

BUT THESE DEFINITIONS ARE JUST BEING ADDED.

IT'S REDUNDANT. THEY'RE ALREADY DEFINED. SO AS DEFINED WE DO DEFINED AS A MEMBER OF THE VOTING COUNCIL VERSUS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

OKAY. AS LONG AS IT'S CLARIFIED THEIR.

NEXT STEPS. AND THEN THERE'S QUALIFIED VOTER.

THAT WAS ONE OF INTEREST. I KNOW.

AND REGISTERED VOTER. YEP.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT STEPS.

SO I'M TAKING AWAY TONIGHT.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE PIECE OF HOMEWORK, WHICH IS TO BRING YOU BACK SOME PERCENTAGES THAT OTHER CITIES ARE UTILIZING WHO UTILIZE QUALIFIED VOTERS.

WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.

PRESENT THAT TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THEN WE THERE'S KIND OF FOUR OUTSTANDING ISSUES.

IS THE WAY I COUNT IT, THREE FROM THE FIRST NIGHT. ONE FROM TONIGHT WILL HAVE THOSE SET ON YOUR AGENDA ON JULY 21ST.

NOW PETE WILL BE ABOUT PEOPLE WILL BE ABOUT STARTING THE WORK OF STARTING TO KIND OF FORMULATE SOME OF THE PROPOSITIONS AND WHAT THEY'LL LOOK AT. WE'VE GOT HIGH CONSENSUS ON AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THESE TOPICS, SO WE CAN BEGIN THAT WORK IN EARNEST AND THEN HAVE THAT READY FOR YOU.

WE MAY HAVE A PREVIEW JULY 21ST.

WE'LL SEE, I GUESS. SO WE'LL SEE.

BUT YOU MAY BE ASSUMING CERTAIN THINGS ARE IN OR CERTAIN THINGS ARE OUT.

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AND BUSINESS DAYS IS NOT IN THE CHARTER. LOVELY LAST WORDS. COUNCILMEMBER BARRIOS.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. DON, CAN YOU CLARIFY ON JUNE 23RD, WHEN WE PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING PREPARING PROPOSITIONS AND CALLING FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT? CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME MORE DETAIL? BECAUSE I AM, AS YOU KIND OF MENTIONED OR IMPLIED EARLIER, I AM ONE OF THE COUNCILMEN OUT NEXT WEEK, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING NEXT WEEK ACCORDING TO THIS.

SO THAT YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT OUR EVOLVING IS KIND OF OUR THING HAS KIND OF EVOLVED ON

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WE'LL PRESENT. SO WHAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT WEEK IS WE'LL PRESENT THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. BUT IN KEEPING IN LINE WITH, I THINK, WHAT WAS A CONSENSUS.

YOU'LL TAKE THE THREE ITEMS THAT WE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU TONIGHT, PLUS THAT ITEM.

YOU'LL WAIT TO MAKE ANY FINAL DECISIONS UNTIL YOU HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE HEARING.

AND SO IN THE MEANTIME, PEOPLE START DRAFTING PROPOSITIONS FOR ALL OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN ON THE 21ST, WE'LL HAVE YOU'LL ESSENTIALLY HAVE FOUR DECISIONS TO TRY TO REACH.

YOU'LL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING BY THAT TIME.

SO AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN QUICKLY TAKE THOSE.

SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE MAY EVEN BRING BACK OPTIONS DEPENDING ON HOW YOU MAY GO, BUT THOSE DECISIONS WILL NOT BE MADE NEXT WEEK UNTIL THE 21ST.

OKAY. JUST WANT TO DOUBLE AND TRIPLE CHECK.

THANK YOU, DON, FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS.

ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM G,

[G. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. WE ALREADY RECOGNIZED MARY, BUT I'LL JUST SAY AGAIN THAT WE ATTENDED YOU KNOW, HER HER INSTALLATION THE OTHER DAY, AND THAT WAS GREAT.

AND THEN I HAD THE HONOR LAST FRIDAY OF BEING SWORN IN AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

EXECUTIVE BOARD. SO I'M PLEASED TO HAVE MOVED UP IN LEADERSHIP AND SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO SO OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE RICHARDSON AND THE REGION IN THAT WAY.

AND AN INCREDIBLE HONOR TO.

TO BE NOW THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THAT OF THAT BODY.

ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILMEMBER MORRIS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN.

JUSTICE, I WANT TO JOIN IN CONGRATULATING YOU ON THAT.

YOU GOT TO IT BEFORE I DID, BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT.

AND IT WAS NEAT TO AS MANY OF US ATTENDED THE LUNCHEON TO TALK WITH SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AS YOU'VE REPRESENTED RICHARDSON AND NOTHING BUT AMAZING THINGS TO SAY ABOUT YOU.

SO HATS OFF TO YOU. I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS YOUR SHARP.

YOU'RE WITTY. YOU'RE ON TOP OF THINGS, AND YOU ASK GREAT QUESTIONS, WHICH IS NO SURPRISE TO ANYBODY THAT'S WORKED WITH YOU. BUT CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN AS YOU DO THAT.

THIS SATURDAY, I WANT TO GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO ALI AND HER ENTIRE CREW OVER AT THE ICEMAN. COMEDIAN PAULA POUNDSTONE WAS HERE IN RICHARDSON SATURDAY EVENING.

IT WAS. TICKET SALES WERE GREAT.

IT WAS ALMOST A COMPLETE FULL HOUSE.

AND IT WAS IT. THAT'S ONE OF THE FULLEST.

I'VE SEEN THE ICEMAN IN A BIT.

SO THAT GREAT JOB TO THE ENTIRE STAFF OVER AT THE ICEMAN THAT CONTINUES TO DO STUFF.

AND MAYOR, I BELIEVE YOU WILL BE MENTIONING FRIDAY NIGHT, SO I WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOU MENTIONING THE DFW ASIAN AMERICAN SOCCER DINNER WE WENT TO.

OH, I HAD NO INTENTION AT THIS POINT, BUT I WILL MENTION IT.

PLEASE GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. ON FRIDAY NIGHT, MAYOR, MYSELF AND I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CORCORAN ATTENDED THE DFW ASIAN AMERICAN SOCCER TOURNAMENT ANNUAL BANQUET, GALA AND AWARD CEREMONY.

AND IT WAS THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE COMMUNITY THAT CONTINUES TO INVITE US.

IT WAS HELD IN GARLAND, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE COMMUNITY IS VERY SPLIT BETWEEN GARLAND AND RICHARDSON AND DOES STUFF ON BOTH SIDES OF THE OF THE CITY LINES THERE.

AND THANK YOU FOR HOSTING AND WE ENJOYED OURSELVES, AND IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR ABOUT THE MANY GREAT THINGS THAT ANOTHER ONE OF OUR, OUR ETHNIC COMMUNITIES ARE, IS DOING HERE IN THE AREA.

SO ANOTHER GREAT SOCCER TOURNAMENT IN THEIR BOOKS.

ABSOLUTELY. ANYONE ELSE WITH ITEMS? COMMUNITY INTEREST? I'LL JUST PUT OUT A QUICK KIND OF A NOTIFICATION.

AND I THINK ALL OF US WERE INVITED, BUT REALLY COOL TO SEE THE MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION KIND OF TAKING SOME STEPS ON THEIR OWN TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN AREA.

THEY'LL BE DOING A 100 YEAR CELEBRATION ON SUNDAY.

I KNOW THE COUNCIL WILL ALSO BE DOING SOMETHING OFFICIALLY ON NEXT MONDAY, BUT WE ARE TURNING 100 ON SUNDAY.

IT'S KIND OF AN EXCITING TIME.

I THINK THE ELECTION WAS LIKE 100 TO 20 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER AT THE A TO Z BUILDING. AND SO THE LITTLE CELEBRATION WILL BE JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A FAUX MURAL PUT UP BY THE MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION THERE, AND THEY'LL BE DOING SOME JUST FUN LITTLE ITEMS AND FREE DRINKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NONALCOHOLIC FREE DRINKS FOR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF IT. SO PLEASE HOPEFULLY JOIN US OUT THERE ON SUNDAY AND THEN AGAIN MONDAY AFTERNOON WHEN WE CELEBRATE IT TWICE, BECAUSE 100 YEARS IS WORTH TWO CELEBRATIONS.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE.

IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 551.076 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNCIL WILL CONVENE

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[03:00:03]

THE TIME IS 859.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.