* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [*Portions of this clip experienced audio distortion*] [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] I CALLED THIS MEETING OF THE, OF THE CITY COUNCIL ORDER AT SIX O'CLOCK O'CLOCK. AND WE'LL START OFF WITH THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE BY, BY COUNCIL MEMBER CURTIS STORY. HISTORIAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS PRAYER TONIGHT. PRAYER TONIGHT IS PART REACHING OUT AND, UH, RECOGNIZING BONNIE PERRY, WHICH PASSED AWAY YESTERDAY, PEACEFULLY IN GEORGIA. I JUST WANTED, WANTED TO KNOW THAT. UM, BEFORE WE GET, BEFORE WE GET, BEFORE WE START, UM, UM, LET ME REMIND YOU, YOU ARE NOT HERE BY ACCIDENT. AND THE BIBLE STATES THAT GOD KNEW YOU BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS WORLD AND CALLED YOU TO PRESENT AT THE TIMELINE HISTORY FOR A PURPOSE. PURPOSE IN JEREMIAH 29 29, CEL STATES FOR I KNOW, I KNOW. PLANS THAT I HAVE FOR YOU. DECLARE, DECLARE, LORD. SO THANK YOU FOR LIVING ON A PURPOSE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR SUE RAW ALI, ALI AND RON. VERSE 92, YOU'LL NEVER, NEVER RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTIL YOU DONATE SOME OF WHAT YOU CHERISH AND WHATEVER YOU GIVE IN CERTAIN WELL, WELL, NO TO A LOT, TO A, AND NOW FOR THE AND FOR EDUCATION. ALMIGHTY GOD. ALMIGHTY GOD, WE ARE GRATEFUL. GRATEFUL THAT WE LIVE, LIVE, EXCUSE ME, THAT WE LIVE THAT IN OUR WONDERFUL COUNTRY. THE LAND OF FREE AND THE HOME OF THE GRAVE, OUR SOVEREIGN STATE OF TEXAS, AND OUR BELOVED CITY OF RICHARD. RICHARD, AS WE CELEBRATE THE 100TH BIRTHDAY DAY OF OUR, OUR INCORPORATION AND OUR CITY'S INDEPENDENCE. INDEPENDENCE, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE VISION AND INTEGRITY I OF OUR, OUR DIVERSE CITY. FOUNDERS. FOUNDERS, AND OUR 100 YEARS OF DEDICATED LEADERSHIP WHO, WHO DESIGNED AND BUILT THE CITY TO CREATE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. TODAY WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR CURRENT LEADERSHIP AND THEIR DEDICATION TO CONTINUE TO SAVE EFFORTS AND SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOR WE ARE UNITED. UNITED IN THE COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE OUR HONOR, HONOR TRADITION OF PREPARING THE NEXT GENERATION LEADERS, LEADERS TO GUIDE THE CITY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, CHOSEN FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR CITIZENS. CITIZENS. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR BLESSING. BLESSING OUR WORK IN OUR CITY. CITY, AND AMEN. AMEN. LET ME LEAD YOU. YOU THE PLEDGE. ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. STANDS ONE DAY UNDER GOD, GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. FOR ALL TEXAS. FLAG, FLAG. HONOR. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLE TO THE, THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER GORIAN. ALRIGHT, [3. MINUTES OF THE JUNE 9, 2025 AND JUNE 16, 2025 MEETINGS] WE ARE AT ITEM ITEM NUMBER THREE. THREE, UH, THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 9TH, 2025. JUNE 16TH, 16, 25. MEETINGS. MEETINGS. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER I SECOND. SECOND IT. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? IN FAVOR. ALL. OPPOSED. OPPOSED. ALRIGHT, THAT IS 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 0, UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER. BARRIOS. ABSENT. ABSENT. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM AND VISITORS FORUM. MR. MAG. UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL, WE ARE NOT IN, NOT GIVEN ANY CARDS IN ADVANCE. FIVE DEADLINE AND CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY, UM, VISITORS. BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO LET ME RE ABBREVIATE INSTRUCTION FOR ANYONE, UH, THAT WILL BE TAKING PART IN, IN EITHER PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. TONIGHT, UH, ALL SPEAKERS, UH, WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY ARE RECEIVED. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, CALLED STEPS TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME UNDER, UNDER FOR RECORD ALL SPEAKERS. SPEAKER, WE'VE LIMITED TO MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM FIVE MINUTES INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. WHEN THE TIMER MEET THE SPEAKER SHOULD COMPLETE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS NOT, MUST NOT PHYSICALLY. APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ON STAFF TO REMAIN PODIUM BURNING. COMMENTS, COMMENTS, SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS. MUST, MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. SPEAKERS. SPEAKERS SUBMITTING COMMENTS, SAME TOPIC. COURAGE TO REDUCE REMARKS INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS OF ARGUMENT ADDRESSED OR BY SELECTING THE REPRESENTATIVE, SPEAKER, SPEAKER, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS FROM QUESTIONS. THE MAYOR, SENIOR MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, FACTS, A POLICY, OR AGREE TO THESE STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. AFTER MEETING, MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM A QUALITY AND AUDIO, OTHER EXPRESSIONS, EXPRESSIONS OF ORDER, OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL COUNSEL'S ORDER PROCEDURE IN THESE GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO REMINDER, REMINDER, SILENCE HER CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION, DURATION OF THE MEETING. AND DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? SPEAKERS, NO SPEAKERS, MAYORS, MAYOR. ALL, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK THAT HAS HELD OUT A CARD? ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON. MOVE ON. [5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT] UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. MR. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR [00:05:01] COUNCIL. WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE, UH, JENNA COVINGTON AND HER LEADERSHIP TEAM WITH THIS, UH, THIS EVENING. EVENING. UH, THIS IS, THIS BECOME A VERY IMPORTANT BRIEFING, UH, THAT WE INCLUDE, UH, AS PART OF OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS EACH AND EVERY YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, OUR, OUR WATER FUND AND THE LARGEST EXPENDITURE BY FAR, UH, IS THE, UH, EXPENSES THAT WE PAY FOR, UM, FOR, UH, RAW WATER, AS WELL AS AS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND TREATMENT, UH, THAT OCCURS. UM, JENNA AND HER TEAM ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND PRESENT, PRESENT THEIR SEATS TONIGHT. IT'S GONNA BE A JOINT PRESENTATION, SO, UH, THAT'LL WORK BETTER FORMAT WISE, UH, IN IN THE PODIUM. UH, MAYOR ALSO ALSO WELCOME FOR HIS FIRST FIRST BRIEFING, UH, FRANK BIRD. UH, YOU'RE A NEW YORK NEW, ATTEND TO THE, UH, WATER DISTRICT BOARD, UH, FRANKLIN. WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE TO HAVE YOU. RANDY. RANDY ASKED ME TO SEND HIS REGARDS. UH, HE IS IN A MUCH WORSE PLACE. I THINK HE'S IN PARIS, FRANCE RIGHT NOW AND A WELL DESERVED VACATION. SO, UH, HE DID, UH, ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING. UH, WE HAVE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, UH, AND GETTING FEEDBACK FROM FROM YOU. UM, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS, FOLKS, UH, ALONGSIDE ME THAT WILL BE SHARING IN PRESENTATION. UH, JEAN CHIPPERFIELD IS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE WATER DISTRICT ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER, OVERSEEING OUR FINANCIAL AS WELL AS HUMAN RESOURCES. UH, BILLY GEORGE IS ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER FOR WATER WASTEWATER. ALEX JOHNSON IS OUR DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, OVERSEEING OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION EDUCATION, INCLUDING WATER CONSERVATION AND ALSO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. AND VERY HAPPY TO HAVE DIRECTOR OF BIRD WITH US FOR HIS FIRST TIME, UH, HERE IN THIS BRIEFING. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM IN, IN THE YEARS TO COME TO COME. LET'S SEE. LET'S, THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. AS WE, UH, CONSIDERED WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE IN THE BRIEFING THIS EVENING, UH, WE LOOK BACK AT SOME OF THE NOTES THAT WERE TAKEN DURING PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. NOTE REAL AREAS OF INTEREST, UH, FROM MEMBERS, MEMBERS, THE COUNCIL. UH, ADDITIONALLY WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECENTLY MEET WITH, WITH CITY STAFF AND UPCOMING MAYOR OMAR, AND TALK TO ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO YOU ALL AS WELL. SO, UH, AND TAKING THAT INPUT INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION AND IN CONSIDERATION OF OUR LIMITED, LIMITED TIME, TIME, UH, THE TOPICS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL TO COVER, UH, WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT UP TOP THAT I'LL COVER IN TERMS OF WHO WE ARE AND, AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. UH, AND THEN DIVE INTO SOME BIG TOPICS. TOPICS. UH, FIRST I'VE GOT WATER SUPPLY PLANNING, PLANNING. UH, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN OF CONSIDERABLE INTEREST, UH, OF THE COUNCIL IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD. SO, BILLY GEORGE WILL BE TALKING US THROUGH, UH, THE ONGOING WATER SUPPLY PLANNING PLANNING AND WHAT, WHAT UPDATES WE HAVE IN THAT REGARD. ADDITIONALLY, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS KIND OF, SORT OF A KICKOFF ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS. AND SO GENE CHIPPERFIELD WILL BE TALKING US THROUGH, UH, OUR STRATEGIC FINANCIAL PLANS WILL INCLUDE NOT ONLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR RATES INTO THE COMING YEAR, BUT ALSO THAT 10 YEAR FORECAST. AND, UH, WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING THOSE TRENDS THERE. UH, WELL THEN, UH, GO INTO, INTO WATER CONSERVATION NOW. AND JOHNSON WILL BE TALKING US THROUGH THAT, THAT, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US ACROSS THE REGION, REGION. SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE HAD CONSIDERABLE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, IN THE RECENT MEETINGS. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, VISITING AT A GREATER LEVEL OF DETAIL THERE THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST. UH, ADDITIONALLY THEN, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME OR QUESTIONS, ANSWERS, UH, IN ANY WRAP UP. UH, AND SO WE'LL BE AVAILABLE AS YOU ALL, YOU ALL WOULD LIKE, LIKE, UH, KIND OF STARTING OFF THE TALK WITH WHO WE ARE AND KIND LEGACY OF SERVICE. UH, SO BACK IN, UH, MANY DECADES AGO IN THE FIFTIES, THE GROUNDWATER SUPPLIES ALL THE TIME WERE NOT MEETING UP WITH THE GROWTH THAT WAS PROJECTED HERE IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. AND MANY, OUR 10 ORIGINAL MEMBER CITIES UNDERSTOOD THAT THOSE GROUNDWATER WATER SUPPLIES WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT AND CAME TOGETHER. AND THIS IS A QUOTE FROM OUR HISTORY BOOK. FROM THAT TIME, THEY SAID, WE DECIDED, DECIDED WE WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. WE COULDN'T DO IT SEPARATELY. UH, AND SO THEY CAME TOGETHER TO FORM THE NORTH TEXAS MISS WATER DISTRICTS WITH, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. LEGISLATURE ORIGINALLY PROVIDE ONLY DRINKING WATER, WATER SERVICE. UH, SOMETIME AFTER THAT, UH, IN 50 WE WERE CREATED IN 51 BEGAN PROVIDING SERVICE IN 56 TO 32,000 NORTH TEXANS IN THOSE 10 ORIGINAL MEMBER CITIES AT THAT TIME. UH, AND THEN A FEW DECADES LATER, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS HAPPENED IN THE 1970S. UH, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WAS THE FIRST EDITION OF A MEMBER CITY TO THE WATER DISTRICT IN 1973. ADDITIONALLY, IN THE SEVENTIES, [00:10:01] AT THE REQUEST OF OUR MEMBER CITIES, WE EXPANDED FROM, FROM PROVIDING DRINKING WATER SERVICE TO ALSO PROVIDING WASTEWATER SERVICES. AND THEN IN THE EIGHTIES, EXPANDED INTO SOLID WASTE. UH, SO CREATED ORIGINALLY FOR DRINKING WATER, AND THEN EXPANDED AT THE REQUEST OF OUR MEMBER CITIES INTO THE MISSIONS OF WASTEWATER AND SOLID WASTE WASTE. OUR VISION IS THE SAME TODAY AS IT WAS BACK IN THE BEGINNING. A REGIONAL SERVICE THROUGH UNITY MEETING OUR REGIONS NEEDS TODAY AND TOMORROW, AND, AND THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL, MANY DECADES, AND THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE PROJECTING INTO THE FUTURE, UH, THAT MEANS A LOT. UH, WE HAVE GONE FROM SERVING 32,000 PEOPLE, UH, WITH OUR POPULATION DOUBLING OVER SIX TIMES NOW TO SERVING 2.3 MILLION. UH, AND AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE, WE WILL SEE MORE OF THAT. SO, UH, THAT COMING TOGETHER TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR REGION IN THIS FAST GROWING AREA IS NOT SO SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO US AND SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN INHERENT IN WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING. OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY AND ATTEND SERVICES IN A COST EFFECTIVE MANNER. UH, AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT COMING, COMING, OUR STRATEGIC FINANCIAL FINANCIAL PLANS, PLANS IN A COST EFFECTIVE MANNER IS SOMETHING THAT WE STRIVE VERY HARD TO DO AND REALLY PUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EMPHASIS ON STEWARDSHIP. UH, WITH THAT SAID, COSTS ARE ESCALATING AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DRIVERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT WE WILL BE TALKING THROUGH. UH, WE ACHIEVE OUR STRATEGIC PLANS BEFORE, PRIMARY GOALS OF SERVICE, SERVICE, STEWARDSHIP, STEWARDSHIP, PARTNERSHIP, AND PEOPLE, AND DO THAT IN ALIGN WITH OUR CORE VALUES. VALUES, INTEGRITY, TRUST, RESPECT, UNITY, SAFETY, AND TEAMWORK, MARK. SO TODAY WE ARE A WHOLESALE PROVIDER OF THREE ESSENTIAL SERVICES, WATER, WASTE, WATER, AND SOLID WASTE. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, IT TAKES A WHOLE LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE IT ALL WORK. UH, ON, ON WATER, WATER OF THINGS. UH, WE PULL WATER, UH, OR PUMP WATER FROM 20 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FROM PUMP STATIONS. UH, TREAT WATER THROUGH SEVEN DIFFERENT WATER TREATMENT PLANS WITH A CONFINED CAPACITY OF ALMOST 1 BILLION GALLONS PER DAY, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR THE WATER NEEDS OF TWO POINT MILLION NORTH TEXANS. ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF THINGS, WE, UH, HAVE 12 DIFFERENT WASTEWATER TREATMENT, TREATMENT PLANTS SPREAD ACROSS THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. THE CITY OF RICHARDSON RECEIVE SERVICE FROM TWO PLANTS, OUR CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, LOCATED IN LOCATED PLANO WELL, AS WELL AS LLOYD BRANCH PLANT IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. UH, THE FLOYD BRANCH PLANT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S THE ONLY, UH, REGIONAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM PLANT THAT ONLY SERVES ONE CITY. UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING OF, UH, NOTE. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE OVER 200 MILES OF LARGE DIVE PIPELINES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY WASTEWATER FROM, UH, THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE INTO THOSE REGIONAL FACILITIES, UH, THAT THEN CLEAN THAT WATER AND DISCHARGE CLEAN WATER INTO OUR COMMUNITIES WATERWAYS ON THE SOLID WASTE SIDE OF THINGS, WE HAVE THREE TRANSFER STATIONS CURRENTLY IN OPERATION. UH, ONE OF THOSE IS HERE IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. UM, LOOKOUT DRIVE, NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. UH, AND ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE OTHERS, UH, A COUPLE IN PLANO AND A FOURTH UNDER DESIGN UP IN FRISCO. UH, WASTE FROM THOSE, UH, TRANSFER STATIONS IS IN TRANSPORTED TRANSPORT TO OUR LANDFILL UP IN MELISSA, WHICH ACCEPTS AROUND 1 MILLION TONS OF WASTE EACH AND EVERY YEAR. IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST LANDFILLS, I THINK IT'S THE SEVENTH LARGEST LANDFILL IN TERMS OF RECEIVING, UH, WASTE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS ACROSS THE STATE OF STATE TEXAS. UH, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS STAFF THAT I'M HONORED TO WORK AT WORK SIDE THE REGION EVERY DAY, UH, WHO IS REGULARLY RECOGNIZED WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND RECOGNITIONS, JUST AS YOU ALL HAVE STAFF THAT I'M SURE RECEIVE SIMILAR RECOGNITION. UH, ONE PARTICULAR THING THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF IS OUR PARTNERSHIP FOR SAFE WATER. UH, THIS IS A NATIONAL LEVEL RECOGNITION THAT REALLY ONLY RECOGNIZES THE VERY TIP TOP OF THOSE WHO ARE PERFORMING IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE EXPECTATIONS, UH, OF THE REGULATORS, UH, WITH REGARDS TO PRODUCING SAFE DRINKING WATER, WATER EVERY DAY. UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER, OTHER RECOGNITIONS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE IN MANY MORE THAN WHAT WE WE SHOW TODAY. UH, SOMETHING OF RECENT NOTE IS OUR WILSON CREEK REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREAT PLANT LOCATED IN THE LUCAS AREA, RECEIVE PLANT OF THE YEAR FOR, UH, WASTEWATER ACROSS THE STATE FOR THE LARGE, UH, LARGE CATEGORY. UH, SO THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT WE'RE NOT PROUD OF WITH THE ORGANIZATION, AND HAPPY [00:15:01] TO BE ABLE TO BE, TO SERVE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NORTH TEXAS BY PROVIDING PROVID SOME SUPERIOR SERVICES. ALL RIGHT, SO ESSENTIAL SERVICES SUPPORT, ECONOMIC DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE CITY OF RICHARD RICHON HAS, UH, A REAL EMPHASIS AND A LOT OF SUCCESS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REALM. UH, AND HAVING ACCESS TO THOSE ESSENTIAL SERVICES IS IMPORTANT TO, TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OCCUR. UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN THE SERVICE POPULATION OF OUR ORGANIZATION, UH, OVER THE DECADES. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE GROWTH GROWTH IS NOT SLOWING DOWN, UH, WITH MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS HERE, UH, IN RICHARDSON, AS WELL AS AS ACROSS THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO, TO IS THE RATE OF GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING. UH, AND THAT IS, IS NOT SLOWING DOWN AT ALL. IN FACT, WHEN, UH, THE CENSUS BUREAU KEEPS UP WITH, UH, WHILE THE CENSUS MAILING HAPPENING EVERY 10 YEARS, YOU'RE LOOKING ANNUALLY AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF POPULATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND BETWEEN THE LAST CENSUS WHEN WE SURPASSED 2 MILLION FOLKS SERVED, AND TODAY, UH, WE HAVE SEEN JUST TREMENDOUS GROWTH WITH GOING FROM 2 MILLION TO 2.3 MILLION, UH, IN JUST FOUR YEARS. UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH RATE OF THE AREA THAT WE SERVE ON EITHER A COUNTY OR A CITY BASIS, WE ARE SERVING SOME OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN THE COUNTRY. UH, COLLEY COUNTY IS THE FOURTH FASTEST GROWING COUNTY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES ON A CAPITA PEOPLE ADDED BASIS. UH, KAUFMAN COUNTY IS THE SECOND FASTEST GROWING COUNTY IN THE UNITED STATES ON A PERCENT GROWTH BASE BASIS. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT ARE, UH, SHOWN WITH SIGNIFICANT GROWTH RATES IN THIS PAST YEAR, THE FASTEST GROWING CITY ON A PERCENTAGE BASED BASIS IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE UNITED STATES CITY OF PRINCETON. UH, SO THERE'S JUST TREMENDOUS GROWTH IS HAPPENING AROUND HERE. UH, YOU ALL WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE MANY EMPLOYMENT HUB, UH, THAT HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE RESIDING, UH, WITHIN THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LY FAST GROWING. ALL RIGHT? SO WITH ALL, ALL GROWTH, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS KEEPING UP FROM A WATER, WATER SUPPLY STANDPOINT. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BILLY GEORGE, WHO WILL TALK US THROUGH OUR WATER, WATER SUPPLY PLANNING, PLANNING EFFORTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JENNA. YOU PASS ME THE SLIDE CHANGER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IT IS MY PLEASURE, PLEASURE, COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF WATER STANDING AND THEN SOME ACTIONS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN AND ARE TAKING TO ENSURE THAT OUR, OUR ORGANIZATION CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE THE REGION, REGION GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING NOW. AND IT'S ON ITS WAY. SO, OVERVIEW OF MAJOR TOPICS. WE TALKED ABOUT OUR, OUR, OUR PLANNING PROCESS, OVERVIEW OF THAT, HOW THAT WORKS. AND WE TALK ABOUT EXISTING AND PROJECT PROJECTED DEMANDS. SO WHAT OUR GROWTH LOOKS LIKE AND LIKE HOW WE, HOW WE, UH, FORECAST THAT WITH SOME, WITH SOME BUILDING IN SOME UNCERTAINTY INTO THE FUTURE. OUR WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGY STRATEGIES, THESE ARE, ARE HOW WE ARE GOING TO MEET TO MEET DEMAND MANS IN THE FUTURE. THEY CAN INCLUDE AND OFTEN DO INCLUDE NEW, NEW, UH, WATER SUPPLY SUPPLIES, BUT THEY CAN ALSO INCLUDE MAKING MORE EFFICIENT USE OF THE EXISTING SUPPLIES. TAPPING INTO THOSE, THOSE, UH, AND THEN THEY MAKING AVAILABLE USE OF RE I TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THOSE, AGAIN, THOSE ACTIONS AND THINGS THAT WE'RE TAKING TO INCREASE, INCREASE SUPPLIES, BOTH FROM OUR EXISTING AND THEN TO EXPAND AND LOOKING AT NEW SUPPLIES IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, JUST AS A FINAL NOTE THERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT IN ANOTHER SLIDE, BUT, BUT, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR, NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE GONNA KICK OFF A RESTART OF OUR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLANNING PROCESS. PROCESS. WE DO THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND THIS, THIS IS A PROCESS BY WHICH WE DO A DEEPER DIVE INTO, UH, VERIFYING THE GROWTH OF OUR DEMANDS IN THE REGION, AND THEN IDENTIFYING NEW SUPPLY. SO WE'RE PURSUING THE WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEG STRATEGIES TO MEET, TO MEET THE FUTURE'S NEEDS NEEDS. SO WE APPROACH, APPROACH THE PLANNING PROCESS OF SCENARIO BASED PLANNING. UM, FOR ANY FORECAST, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING OUT 50 YEARS, YEARS, POPULATION OF THINGS COMES WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF UNC UNCERTAINTY. UM, UM, MANY THINGS CAN HAPPEN, HAPPEN. TIME, ECONOMIC ECONOMIC CONDITIONS CAN CHANGE. UH, THESE CAN GROW FASTER, SLOWER, BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN, SO GOING THROUGH MULTIPLE SCENARIOS ALLOWS US TO HAVE BETTER ASSURANCE THAT WE'RE COVERING A RANGE OF RANGES THAT WE MAY, UH, MAY EXPERIENCE, EXPERIENCE. WE COULD HAVE PRODUCTIONS AND SUPPLIES, SUPPLIES WE HAVE SEEN WITHIN THE LAST DECADE, A REDUCTION IN REDUCTION IN RESERVOIR SUPPLIES. HAVING, HAVING EXPERIENCED NEW DROUGHTS OF RECORDS IN THE MOST RECENT DROUGHTS. AND THAT CAN IMPACT OUR FUTURE RELIABILITY. PLAYABILITY TO USE, USE CERTAIN SUPPLIES, SUPPLIES. UM, THERE CAN BE POLITICAL, POLITICAL, INSTITUTIONAL, INSTITUTIONAL ABILITY, ABILITY ISSUES. UM, SOME PROJECTS MAY BE MAYBE, UH, DOABLE TODAY, 30, 40, 40 [00:20:01] YEARS FROM NOW MAY NOT BE DOABLE FOR VARIOUS REASONS, INCLUDING POLITICAL AND OTHER REALITIES. AND THEN THERE'S A TECHNIC TECHNIQUES ABOUT FEASIBILITY. WE IDENTIFY THESE WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, AND IT'S, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND, AND VET, VET, WE UNDERSTAND THEIR TECHNICAL FE FEASIBILITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL PERFECT KNOWLEDGE AT THE OUTSET. SO YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OVER 20 PLUS WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE IN A LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN. AND AS WE WORK FOR EACH ONE, WE FLESH THAT OUT AND DETERMINE WHAT CAN BE, BE, UH, DEVELOPED, DEVELOP. FROM A A SCENARIO STANDPOINT, WE FORECAST THREE, UM, DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE FUTURE. ONE WOULD BE OUR EXPECTED, AND THAT IS LARGELY BASED OFF OF BOTH HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE. AND THEN, UM, OVERALL, ARE SHE STATEWIDE, OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC PROJECTION, WE'VE LOOKED AT A HIGHER GROWTH GROWTH RATE. UH, WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE ARE WRONG AND WRONG AND YOU ACTUALLY GROW FASTER? AND THEN WE LOOK AT A, WE LOOK AT A, A LOWER LOWER RATE, AND THEY CAN BE BOTH POPULATION, UH, SIMULATING ON BOTH, BOTH SLOWER POPULATION GROWTH GROWTH OR PERHAPS HIGHER VARIABILITY OF SUPPLY. SO, SO WE CREATE THAT RANGE SO THAT WE ARE KNOW, KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS CONDITIONS CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR OR FROM, FROM DECADE TO DECADE TO MOVE OUT INTO THE FUTURE. SO THIS CHART IS SHOWING OUR EXISTING DEMANDS AND OUR FORECAST AND RANGE OF SUPPLIES IN THE FUTURE. THE BARS IN THE CHART, THEY SHOW OUR EXISTING SUPPLIES AND CONNECTION TO EXISTING SUPPLIES. SO THEY'RE WHAT WE HAVE ONLINE NOW AND WHAT WE CAN IMMEDIATELY BRING ONLINE. 'CAUSE WE ARE ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO IT. OUR PLANNING HORIZON, AS WE LOOKED OUT, UH, WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE CLIMATE UNCERTAINTY. UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CLIMATE WILL DO IN THE FUTURE, AND WE, WE NEED THE PLAN FOR, OR FLEXIBLE IF, IF THINGS DON'T TURN OUT AS WE, UH, UH, WOULD BASELINE PREDICT. SO WE DO IN OUR RANGE FORECAST INCLUDES SOME, UH, UH, UNCERTAINTY INTO OUR CLIMATE FUTURE AND WATER CONSERVATION USE, THIS IS A BIG POINT. WE LOOK FIRST TO IMPLEMENTING WATER CONSERVATION AND WATER REMAKING, MAKING BETTER USE OF EXISTING SUPPLIES IN ORDER TO LEAD OUR FUTURE ENGINE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHERE THE CITY, WHERE THE CITY CAN HELP AND HELP ALEX JOHNSON MOMENTS GONNA DO, DO A DEEPER DIVE. DR. JEAN JEAN, UH, TALKS, TALKS ABOUT WHAT CONSERVATION MAKE SURE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE HEADED, BUT WE LOOK TO THOSE FIRST BECAUSE DEVELOPING MAJOR SUPPLIES CAN BE VERY IMPACTFUL. OTHER REGIONS CAN BE VERY IMPACTFUL ON THE ENVIRONMENT. AND CERTAIN CIRCUIT COST ME HERE, HERE LOCALLY. SO THE CHART ITSELF, UH, THE BLUE BARS SHOW SHOW, AGAIN, THOSE IN THOSE EXECUTIVE SUPPLIES, THE THE DASH LINE GREEN LINE ON THIS IN THIS SHOWS OUR PROJECTED DEMANDS ARE EXPECTED CONDITIONS GOING OUT INTO THE FUTURE. UH, THE RED LINE WOULD BE, UM, WHAT OUR DRY YEAR DEMAND WOULD BE IF WE DID NOT HAVE CONSERVATION. SO THE RED IS MODELING. IF WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CONSERVATION, WHERE WOULD I, WE ARE TO BE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIG DEPARTURE FROM THAT OVER BOTH WHAT, WHAT WE, UH, CURRENTLY PER BACK. AND THEN THE LOWER GREEN LINE WOULD BE THAT DRY, JUST THAT DRY DEMAND, UM, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SHOOTING FOR, EXCUSE THE DASH LINE HAS SOME UNCERTAINTY IN THERE FOR THAT FUTURE THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW FOR, UH, WITH CERTAINTY, CERTAINTY. SO, SO PUTTING NUMBERS TO IT, TO 30% OF ALL THE WATER SUPPLIED BY THE NOR TEXAS USE WATER DISTRICT COMES FROM CONSERVATION, REUSE, AND REUSE. SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S YIELDED SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS OVER THE DECADES AS WE'VE IMPLEMENTED MORE AND MORE AND MORE, UH, REUSE THAT YOU HAD TO GO OUT AND DEVELOP THE NEW SUPPLY SUPPLIES. GREAT ROOT NEWS, AS I TALK ABOUT, ABOUT, WELL, FURTHER, FURTHER CHALLENGES DEVELOPING WATER, WATER SUPPLIES, SUPPLIES, UM, TIMING, TIMING FIRST UP, UP, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR, OUR MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, STRATEGY, SALES, UH, TIMING, WHEN WE CAN BRING SUPPLIES ONLINE IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE IN THE SHORTER TERM, SAY, SAY MID 2030S AND BEYOND, WE NEED TO BE PURSUING, UH, WATER SUPPLIES. AND WE ARE, BUT THEN WE ALSO ALSO NEED, IF OUR ION PURSUES LONGER, LONGER TERM, UH, THESE PROJECTS THAT MAY TAKE 20, 30 OR 40 YEARS TO BRING ONLINE, WE NEED TO NEED TO BE MOVING OUT IN THE RIGHT TIME SO THAT THEY CAN BE AVAILABLE WHENEVER THEY'RE THERE NEEDING, UH, UNCERTAINTY. UNCERTAINTY. UH, CONDITIONS CAN CHANGE. CONDITIONS CAN CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY. AND WE CAN HAVE BEHAVIORAL CHANGE, HAVE, HAVE LEGAL CHANGES, REGULATORY CHANGES, STATE LEVEL, LOCAL, UM, WE CAN HAVE SURPRISES IN THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, REDUCE SUPPLY AND AND MENTIONED CLIMATE EARLIER, EARLIER. SO THAT UNCERTAINTY COMES INTO PLAY, PLAY, UH, FOR, FOR FOR SURE. PLANNING IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES COME IN, IN, UM, UM, MANY OF THE NEGOTIATIONS AS WE GO AND DEVELOP SUPPLIES, THEY REQUIRE PART PARTNERSHIPS. UM, EITHER PARTNER PARTNERS WHO ARE WITH US DEVELOPING MAJOR SUPPLIES OR ONE OR MORE, UM, WATER USER GROUPS, GROUPS, OR PERHAPS FOR SOME OF THOSE, THOSE, UH, ENTITIES ON THE OTHER END AND WHO MAYBE WERE DOING PARTNERSHIPS WITH TO ACQUIRE WIRE FROM, UH, THEY CAN BE COMPLICATED AND COMPLEX AS YOU WELL KNOW IN THE CITY, CITY, THESE CONVERSATIONS CAN BE AND BE. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT CAN CREATE THAT UNCERTAINTY IN THE PROCESS. AND THEN PERMIT, PERMIT, UM, SOME OF THESE LONGER TERM SUPPLIES, THEY DO TAKE DECADES AND DECADES TO BRING ONLINE [00:25:01] REQUISITE PERMITS, PERMIT. THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS THAT CHANGE OVER TIME. SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ENOUGH WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES JUST TO REFLECT THAT THESE THINGS CAN CHANGE. UH, WE CAN'T PREDICT ALL OF THESE THINGS, THINGS AT ONCE, ONCE WITH, WITH CERTAIN CERTAINTY. SO WE NEED TO BE, BE ABLE TO PIVOT, MOVE, AND ADJUST JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STILL BRINGING THE WATER SUPPLIER SUPPLIES, WHICH BRINGS ME TO HOW WE DEVELOP AND IDENTIFY OUR WATER, WATER STRATEGIES AND HOW WE PRIORITIZE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT WE PURSUE. SO IN OUR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLANNING PROCESS, WE STARTED WITH OVER 35 5 INCH STRATEGIES, UH, ALL POSSIBILITIES OF HOW, WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN WATER, UM, FOR OUR REGION REGIME TO MEET OUR REGION GROW OUT OF ALL OF THAT. UM, WE IDENTIFIED 2020 TO GO DEEPER TO LOOK AT USING THESE CRITERIA LISTED OUT HERE ON THESE TWO BOXES BOXES TO DO A FURTHER, FURTHER, AGAIN, TO HELP PRIORITIZE AND TO PUT IN ORDER WHAT WE WILL PURSUE AND WE WILL PURSUE THROUGH THEM. SO WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS LIKE, UH, SUPPLY QUANTITY, HOW MUCH WATER, WATER YIELDS. SO HOW MUCH WOULD IT BRING BACK TO THE REGION? RELIABILITY, HOW RELIABLE IS IT? IS IT, WHAT TERM WOULD IT BE AVAILABLE? IS IT INTERRUPTIBLE? WE NEED TO KNOW HOW RELIABLE IT IS. IT IS WATER QUALITY, QUALITY, IT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF COST. COST. UM, UM, MORE, MORE DEGRADED WATER. RAW WATER QUALITY REQUIRES, REQUIRE SIGNIFICANTLY COST TREATMENT TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY CERTAINTY. CERTAINTY. HOW CERTAIN ARE WE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DEVELOP THE SUPPLY AND BRING IT A LINE COST THAT COMES BACK TO THE BOTTOM LINE. THE RATES, THE REGION PAYS, PAYS, UH, FOR THE SERVICE. SERVICE. ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. VERY IMPORTANT, VERY IMPORTANT. LOOK HOW THESE DIFFERENT WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES RELATE HOW IT CAN IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENT. AND TAKE THAT INTO THE MIX, UH, LEGAL AND REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN FIND TIME TIMES, WHICH I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, MENTIONED SOME SOMEWHAT. WE HAVE THIS MAP OUT OF OUR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN THAT SHOWS IN BROAD STROKES ALL OF THOSE 20 PLUS WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, GENERALLY WHERE THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ENTAIL. AND A KEY TAKEAWAY FROM THIS MAP IS THAT WE, UH, OUR REGION IS LOOKING AT TRYING, LOOKING UNDER EVERY STONE, REALLY. WE GOT EVERYTHING FROM NEW SURFACE WATER TO MAKING ADDITIONAL USE OF ADDITIONAL REUSE WATER TO PARTNERING WITH OTHER AGENCIES ON MORE BROAD REGIONAL REUSE PROJECT TO LOOKING AT GROUNDWATER, EVEN TO LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR OUT-OF-STATE WATER. SO THESE ARE BROAD SPECTRUM AND BECAUSE THE, THE NEED IS VERY MUCH THERE. AND AGAIN, FOR ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA AND EVALUATION CRITERIA AND UNCERTAINTY I'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED, WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE BROAD PORTFOLIO THAT WE'RE PURSUING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE WATER ON, UH, ONLINE WHEN IT'S NEEDED. SO KIND OF FITTING TO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, UM, IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT ARE ENSURING THAT THE WATER, OUR WATER FUTURE IS SECURE. FIRST UP, UM, WE ARE EXPANDING THE LEONARD WATER TREATMENT PLANT. THE LEONARD WATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS BUILT INITIALLY WITH THE BOAT ROCK LAKE PROGRAM, AND WE ARE EXPANDING IT TO MAKE MORE USE OF AND BEING ABLE TO TREAT MORE OF BOAT, A LAKE WATER, AS WELL AS CAPITALIZING ON MAKING USE OF MORE OF OUR LAKE TMO WATER. SO WE WILL BE BRINGING WATER DOWN TO, TO THE LEONARD WATER TREATMENT PLANT TO ULTIMATELY REACH ITS ULTIMATE CAPACITY. BUT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE CONTINUE TO MEET THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. OUR TMO PIPELINES, WE HAVE A PRETTY SIZEABLE QUANTITY OF WATER, RIGHT, THAT WE HOLD AND OWN FOR THE REGION OUT OF LAKE T. AND THAT WATER IS SALTY. UM, SO WE TYPICALLY BLEND IT, BUT WE'RE BUILDING PIPELINES THAT WILL, AGAIN, BRING THAT WATER DOWN TO THE LEONARD WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND EXPAND THE CAPACITY OF OUR USAGE OF, UH, TEXOMA. WE ARE EXPANDING OUR WATER PLANT, UH, PLANT FOUR AT THE WILEY COMPLEX. THIS WILL BE THE FINAL PLANT EXPANSION AT THE WILEY COMPLEX, AND IT WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE, UH, FULL AND BETTER USE OF SOME OF OUR EXISTING SUPPLIES, BOTH LAVO LAKE LAVONNE. UH, WATER COMES THROUGH OUR WALEY COMPLEX AS WELL. IT MAY RECEIVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OUR REUSE WATER AND OTHER WATER THAT GETS PASSED THROUGH. SO, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO MEET THE REGION'S NEEDS. UH, BOAR LAKE EXPANSIONS, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A NEW RAW WATER INTAKE IN LAVONNE LAKE. UH, THIS WILL GIVE US ACCESS TO MORE SUPPLY, WHICH WILL, UH, INCREASE THE YIELD OF LEVON AND HELP MEET SOME OF THOSE NEEDS, AS WELL AS ADDING SOME CERTAINTY, UM, IN TERMS OF WHEN WE ARE IN DROUGHTS AND THE LAKE COULD BE AT LOWER LEVELS, MAKING SURE WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT WATER IN UNINTERRUPTED WAY. AND THEN OUR SISTER GROVE REGIONAL WATER REUSE RECOVERY FACILITY. THIS IS OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE NEWEST ONE THAT WE'LL BE STARTING UP THIS YEAR. UM, WE ARE SEEKING A, UH, REUSE, RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WATER WILL BE RELEASED INTO A STREAM, A TRIBUTARY OF LVO, ULTIMATELY MAKE IT TO LVO, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE USE OF THAT WATER, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING. UH, IN TERMS OF NEW, NEW WATER SUPPLY STRATEGIES. UH, THIS IS A SHORT LIST OF SOME THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN LEANING INTO IN MOST RECENT YEARS THAT CAN GET US UP TO 2040. UH, AND POTENTIALLY BEYOND. WE ARE LOOKING AT [00:30:01] NEW GROUNDWATER SUPPLIES. SO CONVERSATIONS ARE ONGOING AND SHOWED THE MAP EARLIER WITH SOME BROAD REGIONS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE AQUIFERS THAT ARE VERY PROLIFIC, AND WE ARE LOOKING POTENTIALLY TO DO THAT ADDITIONAL REUSE, UM, OF OUR SUPPLIES. AND THEN POTENTIAL PARTNERS, PARTNERSHIPS WITH TARRANT REGIONAL WATER DISTRICT AND OR OTHERS. WE WERE LOOKING AT CONNECTING AVAILABLE SUPPLIES, UM, ONE OF THOSE BEING LAKE OF THE PINES, WHICH YOU MAY HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT IN NEWS OVER THE LAST, UH, EIGHT OR SO MONTHS, SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, DESALINATION OF LAKE T SUPPLIES TO REDUCE THAT SALINITY AND MAKE USE OF IT. UH, I WILL, AS A SIDE NOTE, I WILL SAY THAT IF WE ARE UNABLE TO DEVELOP ANOTHER SUPPLY TO GET US BEYOND THAT MID 2030S, LAKE TECH SUN WITH DESALINATION WILL BE THE PROJECT THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT. IT IS 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. WE CAN, IT'S, WE CAN, UH, DEVELOP THAT WITH SOME HIGH DEGREE OF CERTAINTY BECAUSE WE HOLD THE PERMIT FOR THE WASTE, THE BRINE DISCHARGE. SO IT REALLY IS KIND OF A BACKUP PLAN, UH, FOR US IF WE NEED TO. UH, THAT SAID, OVER OUR PLANNING HORIZON, UH, WE DO PLAN TO MAKE USE OF LOMA SUPPLIES ELSEWHERE. UH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER, UM, THROUGH BLENDING VERSUS DOING DESALINATION. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. WE DO HAVE A, A PLAN THERE. SOME OF THE LONG-TERM WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND THAT WE ARE PURSUING AND HAVE PROJECTS UNDERWAY IN SOME OF THESE CASES. ONE OF THOSE IS AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY. WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY WORK, UH, IN OUR REGION, OTHER REGIONS OF THE STATES. UH, THIS HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. OUR REGION, UH, THE AQUIFER CAPACITY IS VERY, UH, QUESTIONABLE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT 'CAUSE WE NEED TO, AND THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME SMALL SCALE IMPLEMENTATION, MORE LAKE, MORE LAKE T UH, WE'VE ALWAYS, WE'VE ALWAYS THAT OPPORTUNITY, OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY. WE WERE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, POTENTIALLY PURSUING, PURSUING WATER AND TRANSFERRING FROM TOLEDO BEND, WHICH IS, UH, FAR EAST TEXAS ON THE BORDER WITH LOUISIANA. THAT WATER IS THERE, THERE'S WATER TO BE CONTRACTED FOR, UM, IT COULD BE BROUGHT TO THE MARKET AND, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND, AND, AND BROUGHT TO OUR REGION. UM, IT'S A VERY LONG WAYS AWAY AND IT'S, UH, THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE IS VERY HIGH. SO IT'S A VERY COSTLY OPPORTUNITY, BUT THE WATER IS THERE. UH, IT'S VERY, IT MAY BE VERY, VERY PRACTICAL. UH, IN OUR FUTURE, WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY REALLOCATION OF SOME WATER, UH, IN LAKE WRIGHT PATENT THAT IS CURRENTLY IN, UH, SPACE THAT IS CURRENTLY FOR FLOOD CONTROL, CONSIDERING MAYBE IT COULD BE USED FOR SOME MUNICIPALS, SO MAYBE A REALLOCATION OF EXISTING RESERVOIRS. AND THEN WE HAVE POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE, UM, NEW RESERVOIRS. UH, THEY'RE, SOME OF THEM ARE LISTED THERE. ONE OF THEM IS, IS BARBARA NICHOLS POTENTIALLY VERY IMPORTANT, UH, IF THAT IS, IS SELECTED BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT JUST SERVE OUR REGION, BUT OTHERS, IT'D BE A MULTIPLE PARTNERS THAT WOULD PURSUE THAT. SO THAT'S A LITTLE, UH, MUCH LONGER TERM OUT WHAT WE, UH, WOULD BE LOOKING AT TO MEET THE NEEDS WAY OUT INTO THE PLANNING HORIZON. AND THEN KINDA THE FINAL, UH, SUMMARY HERE OF THIS IS OUT OF THE STATE WATER PLAN. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE, UH, SO FAR ABOUT OUR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN, WHICH IS MUCH MORE TACTICAL AND ACTIONABLE. UH, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE, UM, LOOKING AT THE STATE WATER PLAN, WHAT HAS SHOWN FOR OUR, OUR REGION AND OUR ORGANIZATION TO MEET OUR NEEDS GOING INTO THE FUTURE. SO FROM A STATE WATER SPENDING PERSPECTIVE, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT BLACK LINE IS SHOWING HOW, UH, DEMANDS GROW OVER TIME. AND THEN THE DIFFERENT COLORS STACK BARS SHOW, UH, PORTFOLIOS OF PROJECTS AND SUPPLIES, WHICH CAN MEET THE NEEDS. UM, ALL OF THESE ARE IN OUR LONG WAGE FOR OUR SUPPLY PLAN, AND THEN WE HAVE MORE IN THERE AS WELL. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, AS WE GO THERE, THERE, THERE ARE NUMEROUS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THE LOCAL LEVEL, NUMEROUS STRATEGIES, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA MEET OUR NEEDS GOING, GOING INTO THE FUTURE. AND AS WE KIND OF MOVE THROUGH, UH, THE FUTURE, WE, UH, MAY NEED TO CALL ON AND REQUEST SOME HELP FROM THE CITIES, AS MAY BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE TO BEAR TO THE MARKET. SO, BUT WE'VE GOT PLANS WE'RE IMPLEMENTING, WE'RE WORKING VERY, UM, AGGRESSIVELY ON THOSE. AND THEN, UH, FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF SOME OTHER THINGS. JUST A SMALL VIGNETTE ON THINGS THAT ARE INCREASING OR ADDING ASSURANCE OF OUR SUPPLY IN THE FUTURE. WE RECENTLY ENTERED INTO A NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE SABINE RIVER AUTHORITY, WHICH FIRMS UP OUR UPPER SABINE BASIN SUPPLIES AND ACCESS TO THOSE, THESE WOULD BE SUPPLIES THAT ARE IN LAKE NEY AND LAKE FORK. SO GOOD NEWS. WE RECENTLY EXECUTED A NEW CONTRACT WITH SERENA RIVER AUTHORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR REGION CONTINUE TO MAKE USE OF THAT WATER AND TREAT IT FOR OUR GROWTH. UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT WATER RIGHT APPLICATION FOR SISTER GROVE, UH, REGIONAL WATER RECOVERY FACILITY. IN ORDER TO MAKE USE OF SOME MORE REUSE WATER, WE HAVE A WATER RIGHT APPLICATION PENDING FOR ANOTHER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UH, THIS ONE IS OUR SABINE CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND IT ACTUALLY DISCHARGES INTO LAKE INTO A TRIBUTARY OF LAKE NEY. AND SO, UH, WE WERE RIGHT ON THE CUSP. WE PLAN TO TAKE THAT OFF, GET THAT AUTHORIZATION LATER THIS WEEK FROM OUR BOARD SO THAT WE CAN FILE THAT APPLICATION AND, UH, SEEK OUT THAT REUSE WATER FOR AND SUPPLY FOR US. UM, OUR SYSTEM OPERATIONS, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN OPTIMIZE OUR SYSTEM TO EXPAND AND, AND MAKE BETTER USE FOR LONGER USE OF THOSE. [00:35:01] UH, TODAY WE OPERATE OUR SYSTEM USING A BALANCE OF ECONOMIC EFFICIENCY VERSUS RESERVING OUR SUPPLIES. UH, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK NOW. WELL, AS A SUPPLY ALONE, HOW MUCH MORE WATER COULD WE GET TO SUPPLY GROWTH IF WE WERE TO JUST FOCUS MORE ON THE GROWTH PIECE? AND THEN AQUA STORAGE, STORAGE AND RECOVERY STUDY IS ONGOING. AND THEN OUR WATER REUSE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS GONNA PROVIDE OUR OVERARCHING FRAMEWORK FOR HOW WE MAKE BEST USE OF THE REGION'S REUSE WATER, UM, TO MEET NEEDS. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL THINK I'LL HAND IT OVER TO JEAN WHO CAN TRANSITION, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STRATEGIC FINANCIAL PLANS. GOOD EVENING. SO I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU THIS EVENING ABOUT OUR STRATEGIC FINANCIAL PLANS, WHICH ARE OUR 10 YEAR OUTLOOK OF THE COSTS FOR THE VARIOUS SYSTEMS THAT THE DISTRICT OPERATES, AS WELL AS A RATE ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THOSE COSTS. AND WE UTILIZE STANDARD ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE EVALUATE EVERY YEAR, UM, FOR OUR FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS, AS WELL AS THE ASSOCIATED DEBT ISSUANCES, UM, COSTS TO BRING NEW FACILITIES ONLINE, UM, COMMODITIES THAT WE PURCHASE, LIKE CHEMICALS, OUR PERSONNEL AND OTHER COSTS. WE LOOK AT HOW, HOW IS INFLATION RUNNING AND OTHER ECONOMIC INDICATORS TO HELP US, UH, MAKE A DETERMINATION ON OUR ASSUMPTIONS. SO WE CREATE A SEPARATE PLAN FOR EACH OF OUR 29 ISH SYSTEMS, AND WE PROVIDE THEM TO OUR MEMBERS AND CUSTOMERS SO THAT YOU ALL MAY USE THEM FOR YOUR OWN RATE AND BUDGET PLANNING. AND FOR THE DISTRICT, THESE ARE THE STARTING POINTS FOR OUR UPCOMING BUDGETS. SO I'LL JUST QUICKLY HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF OUR, UM, THEME OF OUR CIP OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. AND IT'LL SOUND VERY FAMILIAR. YOU'LL BE PAYING FOR THE PROJECTS THAT BILLY, UM, BRIEFED YOU ALL ON. SO WE ARE DEVOTING MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS NEXT YEAR TO OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. SO NEW PIPELINES TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, UH, TO BRING WATER FROM LAKE T TO OUR LEONARD AND WILEY WATER TREATMENT PLANTS, AS WELL AS, UM, EXPANDING OUR PUMP STATION AND PIPELINE FROM OUR LEONARD WATER TREATMENT PLANT AS WELL. SO JUST COMPLETING THE PLAN FOR THE BOAT, A LAKE RELATED FACILITIES, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, INVITED TO APPLY FOR FUNDING THROUGH THE, THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. SO THEY PROVIDE SUBSIDIZED FINANCING FOR THESE PROJECTS, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD SAVE OVER THE LIFE OF THE BONDS, ABOUT $115 MILLION. SO WE TRY TO UTILIZE THAT FUNDING TO THE, UM, GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT DOES PROVIDE THAT, UH, SUBSIDY. SO NEXT I'LL TALK ABOUT AT A HIGH LEVEL WHERE, UH, WE THINK, UH, COSTS AND RATES ARE GOING WITH THE FOUR SYSTEMS THAT RICHARDSON PARTICIPATES IN. SO OUR LARGEST SYSTEM, OUR REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM, UM, YOU MAY RECALL THIS FROM LAST YEAR. SO EACH YEAR WE LAYER ON TOP OF THE PRIOR YEAR'S PROJECTION, UH, THE, THE CURRENT YEAR'S PROJECTION. SO, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, WE DO HAVE A, UM, A RATE INCREASE. FORECASTED PAYING FOR ALL OF THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF OUR RATE INCREASE. UM, RICHARDSON HAS BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A REDUCED ANNUAL MINIMUM OVER THE LAST, UH, FOUR YEARS, UH, BY ALMOST 5% BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN UNDER YOUR ANNUAL VOLUME, UM, FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. THIS IS A REDUCTION AND THAT'S PART OF THE NEW MEMBER CITY CONTRACT. SO I WANTED TO TO POINT THAT OUT AS, UM, AS ONE WAY TO HELP OFFSET THOSE INCREASES FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. LET'S SEE. SO OUR SECOND SYSTEM IS OUR REGIONAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM. SO, UM, DIFFERENT FROM THE REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM. THIS SYSTEM IS, AND THE REST OF OUR SYSTEMS, THEY ALL OPERATE ON A BREAK EVEN BASIS. SO, UH, WE ESTIMATE THE COSTS AND THE FLOWS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AS WE SET OUR BUDGETS. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE TRUE UP THOSE ACTUAL COSTS AND ACTUAL FLOWS AND THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE SYSTEM, THEY MAY GET AN INVOICE FOR A HIGHER SHARE OF THE, THE COST, OR THEY MAY GET A CREDIT BECAUSE THEY USED A, A LOWER PROPORTIONATE SHARE. SO, UM, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE WHAT WE CALL OUR COST PER THOUSAND, IT IS AN AN ESTIMATE AND IT DOES GET TRUED UP AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO [00:40:01] WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ESTIMATES WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. ON THE COST SIDE, UH, WE SEE SOME VARIATION IN THE COST PER THOUSAND BECAUSE WE'VE UPDATED OUR FLOW PROJECTIONS. UM, SOME OF THE BIG PROJECT DRIVERS WITHIN THIS SYSTEM ARE THE OPENING AND EXPANSION OF OUR SISTER GROVE PROJECT OR, UH, REGIONAL WASTEWATER RECOVERY FACILITY. AND THEN ALSO, UM, KIND OF LOCAL TO RICHARDSON. WE HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED AT THE FLOYD BRANCH PLANT, WHICH JENNA MENTIONED IS ONLY UTILIZED BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. SO WE'LL, UM, BE FINANCING AND DOING SOME PEAK FLOW AND, UH, UV IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT, UH, PLANT NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THIRDLY IS THE UPPER EAST FORK INTERCEPTOR SYSTEM. AGAIN, A A BREAK EVEN SYSTEM. AND WE ARE GENERALLY IN LINE WITH THE COST ESTIMATES IN THE, UM, NEAR TERM FOR THIS SYSTEM. SO WE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM TO REALLY IMPROVE THE OVERALL EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM. REDIRECTING OUR ABILITY TO REDIRECT SOME OF THE FLOWS UP TO THE SISTER GROVE, UH, NEW FACILITY HELPS CREATE CAPACITY AT, AT OUR OTHER PLANTS. UM, WITHIN RICHARDSON WE'LL BE DOING SOME MANHOLE AND, AND PIPE REHAB PROJECTS. UM, SO SOME BENEFIT DIRECTLY TO RICHARDSON THERE. AND THEN FINALLY OUR REGIONAL SOLID WASTE SYSTEM. SO FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WE HAD, UH, BASICALLY A, A FLAT RATE IN THIS SYSTEM. AND WITH THE UPCOMING, UM, FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE DOING A BIG MASS EXCAVATION PROJECT TO DIG A NEW CELL FOR THE LANDFILL. AND THEN, UM, IN THE NEAR TERM, ALSO CREATING A, BUILDING A NEW TRANSFER STATION UP IN FRISCO. SO, UM, WE DO, WE WILL JUST SEE SOME INCREASES IN THE COST PER TON, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A BREAK EVEN SYSTEM. SO WE WILL TRUE UP OUR COSTS AND OUR VOLUMES AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND, UM, BILL BASED ON ACTUALS. SO FINALLY, JUST A FEW TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS, UH, SECTION. SO OUR STRATEGIC FINANCIAL PLANS INCLUDE, UM, JUST PLANS FOR THE, THE GROWTH IN THE REGION. WE ALSO WORK TO ADDRESS OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE DO HAVE SOME ALLOCATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR, UM, INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, UH, WE DO ACCOUNT FOR, UM, OTHER THINGS LIKE INFLATION. THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS OUR PRIMARY DRIVER OF OUR RATE INCREASES OR OUR COST INCREASES. AGAIN, REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM. WE'RE INVESTING HEAVILY IN UTILIZING OUR EXISTING SUPPLIES AS WELL AS ACQUIRING FUTURE SUPPLIES, REGIONAL WASTEWATER, UM, SISTER GROVE, SOME FLOYD BRANCH IMPROVEMENTS, AND, UM, UPPER EAST FORK WE HAVE SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND EXPANSIONS. AND THEN FINALLY THAT MASS EXCAVATION AND TRANSFER STATION AT THE SOLID IN THE SOLID WASTE FUND. UM, SOME OTHER WAYS THAT WE TRY TO MANAGE THE, UM, THE COST OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS WE USE, UH, AN EXTENDABLE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM, WHICH IS AN INTERIM FINANCING TOOL TO HELP, UM, BETTER MANAGE THE TIMING OF WHEN WE ISSUE THE DEBT THAT GETS, UM, PASSED ON TO OUR MEMBERS AND CUSTOMERS. AND THEN AGAIN, THAT SUBSIDIZED FUNDING THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS. UM, FROM HERE WE TURN THESE SFPS INTO OUR BUDGETS FOR EACH SYSTEM, AND WE ROUTINELY COMMUNICATE THE STATUS OF THE BUDGETS AND VOLUMES WITH, UH, YOUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND FINANCE TEAMS. AND WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO DISCUSS WITH THEM AS NEEDED. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY SECTION. I'LL PASS ALONG TO ALEX. ALRIGHT, THANKS JEAN. UH, SO I'M GONNA PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS AT THE DISTRICT AND REALLY ACROSS THE REGION. UH, ALSO WANNA PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS RESPONSIVE TO A QUESTION FROM MAYOR OMAR AT A PREVIOUS MEETING REGARDING WATER CONSERVATION BEST PRACTICES. UH, BUT FIRST I THOUGHT I WOULD BUILD ON BILLY'S PRESENTATION AND JUST TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT MORE WHY WATER CONSERVATION IS SO IMPORTANT IN OUR SERVICE AREA AND ACROSS OUR REGION. UH, AND SO THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR CHART THAT YOU, UH, TO WHAT YOU SAW IN BILLY'S PRESENTATION. UH, THIS REALLY ILLUSTRATES CONSERVATION'S IMPACT ON DEMAND IN OUR SERVICE AREA. AGAIN, THAT GREEN LINE IS DEMAND, OUR PROJECTED DEMAND DURING A DRY YEAR THAT WE USE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. AND THAT RED LINE IS DEMAND WITHOUT CONSERVATION. SO BASED ON WHAT THE REGION WAS [00:45:01] USING IN THE YEAR 2000, AND THAT GAP IS WHAT WE'RE SAVING IN TERMS OF CONSERVATION. SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW IN OUR SERVICE AREA, WE'RE CURRENTLY SAVING MORE THAN THE FIRM YIELD OF A BOAR LAKE, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS. SO THAT'S ABOUT 96 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WE SAVE THROUGH CONSERVATION IN THE FUTURE, THE ESTIMATED SAVINGS FROM CONSERVATION BY 2080 OR PROJECTED TO BE 260 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF MORE THAN TWO LEVON LAKES. UH, SO YOU SEE HOW IMPORTANT CONSERVATION IS FOR OUR CURRENT SUPPLY, FOR OUR FUTURE SUPPLY, AND THE IMPACT, QUITE FRANKLY, ON INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, RIGHT? LIKE WE'RE SAVING THE EQUIVALENT OF A RESERVOIR RIGHT NOW. SO CONSERVATION IS JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE'RE DOING OVERALL. UH, THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZE IS SOME OF OUR KEY CONSERVATION EFFORTS IN THE NEAR TERM AT THE DISTRICT. UM, I'LL TOUCH ON A FEW OF THESE BRIEFLY. UH, WE'RE REALLY CONTINUING TO FOCUS ON REDUCING OUTDOOR WATER USE IN THE SHORT TERM. THAT'S A BIG PART OF OUR DEMANDS, PARTICULARLY IN THE SUMMER. SO, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE STOOD UP THIS YEAR AS A REAL FOCUS ON OUTREACH TO HOAS, AND WE'RE DOING THAT THROUGH EDUCATION, THROUGH ENGAGEMENT. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, HOAS IN THE CITY THAT YOU THINK IT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL FOR US TO INTERACT WITH, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO THAT. UH, WE'RE ALSO DOING SOME EVALUATIONS, UH, IN TERMS OF WATER EFFICIENCY FOR HOAS, UH, IN A PILOT PROGRAM. AND WE'RE SEEING SOME POTENTIAL THERE. A AS YOU ALL KNOW, HOAS WATER, A LOT OF COMMON SPACES. SO WE THINK THAT'S ONE AREA WE COULD FOCUS ON MOVING FORWARD. UH, WE'RE ALSO PILOTING AN IRRIGATION EVALUATION PROGRAM. UH, THIS IS A PROGRAM WHERE RESIDENTS GO OUT TO WEBSITE AND SIGN UP FOR A FREE IRRIGATION EVALUATION. THE DISTRICT PAYS FOR, UH, A LICENSED IRRIGATOR, COMES OUT TO THEIR PROPERTY, UH, LOOKS AT THEIR SYSTEM, PROVIDES RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THEY CAN IMPROVE THE SYSTEM AND GENERALLY SAVE WATER. UH, EXCITED TO SAY RICHARDSON WAS THE FIRST CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS IS THE RESIDENTS CONSENT TO SHARE, UH, THEIR FUTURE WATER USE AND THE RESULTS OF THESE EVALUATIONS WITH THE DISTRICT. SO WE CAN REALLY LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM AND SEE IS IT GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE IN THE FUTURE. AND JUST SOME STATISTICS FROM RICHARDSON. UM, AGAIN, WE'VE DONE 162 EVALUATIONS AND RICHARDSON, AND THE POTENTIAL MINIMUM WEEKLY SAVINGS IS ABOUT 331,000 GALLONS, OR ABOUT 9.94 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR, ASSUMING THAT A RESIDENT WATERS FOR ABOUT 30 WEEKS OUT OF THE YEAR. SO THOSE ARE POTENTIAL MEASURABLE SAVINGS. WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT ALL RESIDENTS WILL IMPLEMENT EVERY IMPROVEMENT THAT'S RECOMMENDED, BUT IF WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AFTER A YEAR OR SO AND SEE THERE ARE MEASURABLE GAINS TO BE MADE HERE, WE THINK THIS PROGRAM COULD BE WORTHWHILE. SO WE'LL BE MONITORING THAT AND AGAIN, REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY PARTICI FOR PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROGRAM. ALSO ON THE OUTDOOR WATER USE, UH, SIDE OF THINGS, WE'RE DOING A USER EXPERIENCE STUDY WITH OUR WATER MY YARD PROGRAM, WHICH IS WEEKLY WATERING ADVICE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY, UH, PROMOTES AS WELL TO SEE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE FOR THAT TO THAT SERVICE, UH, IN THE FUTURE. UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I WOULD NOTE HERE. UH, WE'RE REFRESHING OUR YOUTH EDUCATION PROGRAM, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. UH, PREVIOUSLY IT'S REACHED K THROUGH FIVE IN OUR MEMBER CITIES. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A BIG SERVICE AREA. UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THIS YOUTH EDUCATION PROGRAM, UH, TO K THROUGH 12. UH, AND WE'RE DOING THAT ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF OUR SERVICE AREAS. SO, UH, A LARGER INVESTMENT IN YOUTH EDUCATION, UH, AGAIN, PROMOTING WATER CONSERVATION, EDUCATING STUDENTS TO KNOW WHERE THEIR WATER COMES FROM, THE IMPORTANCE OF WATERSHEDS. AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE A PIECE FOR, UH, THE OLDER STUDENTS THAT LOOKS AT POTENTIAL CO CAREER PATHWAYS INTO UTILITIES AND THE WATER INDUSTRY. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UH, AND OF COURSE WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OUR APPROACH TO CONSERVATION MESSAGING. WE'RE SUPPORTING OUR REGIONAL, UH, WATER IS AWESOME CAMPAIGN. YOU'LL SEE A NEW VERSION OF THAT CAMPAIGN LAUNCHING ACROSS THE METROPLEX IN A FEW WEEKS. UH, WE'RE AGAIN FOCUSING THIS YEAR ON OUTDOOR WATER USE THROUGH, THROUGH THAT CAMPAIGN. UH, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH CITIES TO LOCALIZE CONSERVATION MESSAGING, UH, IN THE FUTURE. SO WE'D LOVE TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON THAT. AND I'LL TOUCH ON THIS CONSERVATION VISIONING PROJECT HERE IN A MOMENT. UM, I WANNA TAKE A STEP BACK AND AGAIN, PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS RESPONSIVE TO A QUESTION. MAYOR OMAR ASKED ABOUT CONSERVATION BEST PRACTICES A FEW WEEKS AGO. AND SO WE TALKED INTERNALLY AND WE THOUGHT THE BEST WAY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THESE BEST PRACTICES MIGHT BE TO POINT BACK TO OUR 2024 WATER CONSERVATION PLANS. SO JUST A, A QUICK REMINDER ABOUT THE CONSERVATION PLANS. YOU CAN SEE HERE THESE PLANS ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW FOR MOST RE RETAIL AND WHOLESALE WATER PROVIDERS. SO OF COURSE, THE DISTRICT AND OUR MEMBER CITIES AND CUSTOMERS, UH, TCEQ HAS REGULATORY RESPONSIBILITY FOR OVERSIGHT OF THESE CONSERVATION PLANS. UH, THEY HAVE TO BE DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS, SO THE NEXT PLAN WILL BE 2029. UH, BUT THESE PLANS ALSO MUST INCLUDE FIVE AND 10 [00:50:01] YEAR TARGETS FOR WATER SAVINGS. AND REALLY THEY'RE A ROADMAP FOR A WATER PROVIDER ON HOW THEY WILL CONSERVE IN THEIR SERVICE AREA. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE DISTRICT AND OUR CITIES WORK VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER ON. WE PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, WE PROVIDE MODEL PLANS, AND WE PROVIDE A PORTFOLIO OF STRATEGIES THAT OUR CITIES CAN LEVERAGE FOR WATER CONSERVATION IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, SO NEXT SLIDE. UH, SO WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON'S PLAN AND THEN COMPARE IT TO SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES THAT WE RECOMMEND IN THE DISTRICT'S PLAN FOR OUR MEMBER CITIES. UH, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT'S REQUIRED, UH, FOR RICHARDSON, UH, OF COURSE FULFILLING TCES TCE Q'S MINIMUM CONSERVATION PLAN REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING A BLOCK RATE, WATER STRUCTURE, WATER RATE STRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE ADHERING TO A PERMANENT OUTDOOR WATERING SCHEDULE AND PARTI PROHIBITING ACTIVITIES THAT WASTE WATER. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED WITHIN THE CITY'S PLAN. UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, WITHIN THE CITY'S PLAN, YOU HAVE SOME, A, SOME MORE STRATEGIES, UH, THAT YOU'VE PULLED FROM OUR MODEL PLAN, AND THOSE INCLUDE THINGS LIKE PROMOTING WEEKLY WEATHER BASED WATERING THROUGH A SERVICE LIKE WATER, MY YARD, UM, WATER SAVING MEASURES FOR NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. THERE'S A VERY LONG TECHNICAL LIST OF THESE AND THE DISTRICT'S WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. AND THE CITY HAS IMPLEMENTED, UH, SEVERAL OF THOSE IN THEIR CONSERVATION PLAN. YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE HERE PROHIBITING ABOVE GROUND SPRAY HEADS ON NARROW STRIPS. UM, ALSO YOU HAVE SEVERAL RECOMMENDED CONSERVATION PRACTICES, UH, FOR YOUR RESIDENTS. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED, BUT YOU RECOMMEND LIMITING OVERSEEING WITH COOL SEA SEASON GRASSES. SO THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE CITY'S PLAN. SO I KIND OF CROSS-REFERENCED THAT WITH SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES THAT THE DISTRICT RECOMMENDS FOR MEMBER CITIES. AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS LIST. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A SAMPLE OF WHAT'S IN OUR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. IT'S NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, UH, BUT WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START THAT CONVERSATION. SO, UM, STRATEGIES THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR FURTHERING WATER CONSERVATION INCLUDE ADDITIONAL WATER EFFICIENT LANDSCAPE INITIATIVES. UH, AND THERE'S SEVERAL EXAMPLES IN THE DISTRICT'S PLAN OF HOW YOU MIGHT DO THAT. UH, ONE THING THAT WE'RE SEEING MORE OF, UH, IN THE SERVICE AREA IS LIMITING OF NON-FUNCTIONAL TURF, ESPECIALLY IN STREETSCAPES. SOME CITIES HAVE MOVED IN THAT DIRECTION WHERE YOU'RE SEEING MORE NATIVE LANDSCAPING AND ROCK AND THINGS THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE, BUT THAT DON'T REQUIRE IRRIGATION, UH, IN THOSE STREET SCAPES. UM, ONE THING, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS IN THE SERVICE AREA, BUT WE KNOW IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, ARE REBATES FOR LANDSCAPE CONVERSION. SO THAT'S A STRATEGY THAT'S OUT THERE AND THAT'S IN OUR PLAN AS A RECOMMENDATION. UH, AND THEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WATER SKIP EFFICIENT LANDSCAPE INITIATIVES, UM, WOULD JUST BE FOR THE CITY TO REVIEW YOUR EXISTING LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND CODES TO SEE IF THERE'S MORE THAT COULD BE DONE IN THOSE CODES TO ENCOURAGE WATER EFFICIENT LANDSCAPES. UH, ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL STRATEGIES. I MENTIONED THAT THERE'S WATER SAVING MEASURES FOR NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND YOU'VE ADOPTED SEVERAL OF THOSE, BUT THERE ARE MORE OF THOSE THAT ARE OUTLINED IN OUR CONSERVATION PLAN THAT COULD BE ADOPTED. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE SHARE WITH ALL OF OUR MEMBERS AND CUSTOMERS IS TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW THEIR CURRENT BLOCK WATER RATE STRUCTURE TO ENSURE THE PROMOTION OF WATER CONSERVATION. AND WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT IN OUR CONSERVATION PLAN OF HOW THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE DIFFERENT RATE TIERS AND SO FORTH. BUT OF COURSE, THESE ARE UNIQUE TO CITIES AS WELL. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT. UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. WE MENTIONED THE IRRIGATION EVALUATION PILOT. YOU CAN COUPLE THAT WITH REBATES FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON THOSE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS, SO RESIDENTS GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GET A REBATE OF SOME SORT FOR MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. ALSO, YOU COULD PROVIDE REBATES FOR SMART CONTROLLERS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN, UH, WITH A FEW CITIES, UH, IN THE REGION. WE REALLY THINK THAT'S PART OF THE FUTURE WHEN IT COMES TO CONSERVATION, BECAUSE WHILE WE DO HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE WATER MY YARD, UM, THE LIMITATION IS THERE, THE USER HAS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES ON THE WEEKLY BASIS TO THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEM SETTING. SO SMART CONTROLLERS CAN AUTOMATE THAT AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE AS A RECOMMENDED STRATEGY ARE PARK AND ATHLETIC FIELD CONSERVATION MEASURES. AND WE HAVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE SECTION ON THAT IN THE CONSERVATION PLAN REALLY STARTS WITH EDUCATION FOR THOSE, UH, WHO ARE MANAGING THOSE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND PARKS THAT CAN BE BIG WATER USERS. UH, AND YOU CAN THEN MOVE ON TO LOOKING TO IRRIGATION TECH SYSTEM TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THOSE ARE, UH, A LIST OF POTENTIAL NEAR TERM CONSERVATION STRATEGIES THAT COME DIRECTLY FROM THE DISTRICT'S WATER CONSERVATION, UH, PLAN. BUT I WANNA BRIDGE TO THIS VISIONING PROJECT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. SO THIS IS A REGIONAL PROJECT THAT WE'RE LAUNCHING VERY SOON WITH TARRANT REGIONAL WATER DISTRICT, AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH AN OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. AND WE REALLY WANNA LOOK AT SUSTAINABLE LAND USE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, UH, THAT REDUCE THE OVERALL WATER FOOTPRINT OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE NORTH TEXAS REGION. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE KEY PROJECT GOALS HERE. WE REALLY WANNA PROMOTE THAT REGIONAL ENGAGEMENT WITH MUNICIPALITIES LIKE [00:55:01] THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND OTHER COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS ON NEW CONSERVATION STRATEGIES THAT HELP US TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN ADVANCE OF THE 2029 WATER CONSERVATION PLANS. UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE STRATEGIES ARE WIN-WIN FOR BOTH CITIES AND WATER PROVIDERS ACROSS THE REGION. AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK THIS SORT OF REGIONAL ENGAGEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT. UH, SO THIS IS AGAIN, A PROJECT WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON. UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN AN RFQ PROCESS TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, UH, AND WE HOPE TO BE LAUNCHING THIS PROJECT SOON. SO, UH, THAT'S AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH CONSERVATION. UH, I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO WRAP UP IN QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU ALEX. UH, WE'RE WITH REGARD TO WATER CONSERVATION, WE'RE IN A REALLY UNIQUE TIME, UH, AS WE ARE NEARING THE TIME PERIOD WHEN WE'LL BE TRANSITIONING INTO FIVE YEAR ROLLING AVERAGES FOR THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CITIES ARE PURCHASING. UH, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE CONTINUED NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE WATER SUPPLIES THAT'S REALLY DRIVING OUR COST UP, UH, CONSERVATION'S A WAY TO REDUCE THAT CAPITAL EXPENDITURE INTO THE FUTURE. UH, WE APPRECIATE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON STEPPING FORWARD EARLY, UH, TO PARTNER ON, UM, MANY, MANY THINGS. UH, WITH REGARD TO THESE FINAL ITEMS AROUND, UH, CONSERVATION. Y'ALL WERE FIRST TO STEP UP IN TERMS OF THE IRRIGATION EVALUATIONS WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY, AND THEN ALSO OUR COMMS FOLKS ARE WORKING WITH FOLKS IN YOUR COMMS DEPARTMENT, UH, TO DEVELOP SOME VIDEOS AROUND, UH, HOW, UH, WE DELIVER ON SERVICES THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP. SO WE APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, ALSO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AS Y'ALL HAVE COME ALONGSIDE IN ADVOCATING FOR THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLIES. UH, SO FORMER MAYOR DOOBY HAD, UH, AUTHORED A FEW LETTERS, UH, THAT ASSISTED IN THAT REGARD, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT. UH, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU. UH, AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO MAYOR OMAR TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK Y'ALL FOR, UH, QUITE A EXTENSIVE, UH, OVERVIEW. AND IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL BEEN WORKING HARD TO PUT ALL THESE PROGRAMS TOGETHER. I WANNA SAY THAT I, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE REACH OUT PROGRAM TO THE HOAS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND HOW TO UTILIZE 'CAUSE HOW, HOW THEY CAN UTILIZE, UH, WATER CONSERVATION. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT STARTS THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON HOW TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THEIR, THEIR PROPERTIES AND ALSO THE PARKS. UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, JUST PROVIDING THAT RESOURCE. I KNOW THE CITY OF RICHARDSON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ON PROVIDING THE, UH, RECENTLY THE NEW HANDOUTS WITH, UH, WATER BY LAWN AND YOU GUYS REACHING OUT TO, UH, HELP, UH, WELL INFORM RESIDENTS ON HOW TO, YOU KNOW, CONSERVE OR IF THEY HAVE LEAKS OR, OR, OR THE HEADS ARE TOO TALL OR WHAT THE DISTRIBUTION IS. I THINK ALL THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE I, I, I'M, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN CONSERVATION. AND A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, IS, YOU KNOW, I REALLY FEEL LIKE PART OF THE FUTURE IS FOR BASICALLY RECYCLING. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO TAP INTO WATER, UM, IN MULTIPLE SOURCES OR CREATE OUR OWN WATER SOURCES, UH, AS TIME GOES ON? PROBABLY. BUT A LOT OF IT HAS TO BE RECYCLED, AND WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH PROGRAMS, UH, TO HELP THAT PROCESS. UM, I HAVE A COLLEAGUE OF MINE THAT HAS INVENTED, UH, A RECYCLING PROGRAM, AND I'VE ACTUALLY MENTIONED IT EARLIER, UH, THIS OR LAST WEEK AT A FUNCTION I WENT TO, IS THEY ARE NOW TAKING THE WATER, GRAY WATER AND SEWER WATER FROM THE BUILDINGS AS THEY'RE BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS AND INTEGRATING THOSE TO RECYCLE IT. SO THEY'RE SELF-SUSTAINABLE. SO THE TENANTS IN THERE, DEPENDING ON WHAT SIZE BUILDING OR WHAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE YOU HAVE, THESE, UH, THESE POTENTIAL TENANTS AND LANDLORDS ARE CREATING RECYCLABLE PRODUCT, WHICH I THINK THAT ADDS TO IT. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AS YOU'RE ADDING TO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF Y'ALL HEARD ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE LOOKED AT AT, IF IT'S BEEN INCORPORATED OR BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST ONE MORE LEVEL OF CONSERVATION. UH, SPEAKING OF CONSERVATION, UM, ON THE RECYCLING SIDE, IS THERE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT ON HOW RECYCLING WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE NEAR FUTURE? UH, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE RAW WATER, UH, INTAKE IN LAVO. UM, I MEAN, WHAT ELSE IN ADDITION TO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT RECYCLING OR, UH, WELL, RECYCLING, WE'LL CALL IT FOR CONSERVATION. UH, SO WE, WE DO [01:00:01] A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WHAT, UM, RECYCLING THROUGH THE TERM THAT WE OFTEN USE IS WATER REUSE. UH, SO, UH, WE, WE KINDA LOOK AT THAT ENGINEERED WATER CYCLE. SO WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER CYCLE THAT WE LEARN ABOUT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT'S KIND OF THAT NATURAL WATER CYCLE WE WILL IN OUR BUSINESS. THERE'S ALSO AN ENGINEERED WATER CYCLE. UH, AND SO WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT, UM, THE WATER THAT WE HAVE TAKEN IN AS WASTEWATER TURNED INTO CLEAN WATER, RELEASED INTO OUR COMMUNITY'S WATERWAYS. AND THEN WE WROTE A REGULARLY ON A DAILY MA BASIS MAKING USE OF THAT AS INDIRECT POTABLE WATER, UH, WHERE WE'RE RECYCLING IT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF IS OUR CONSTRUCTED WETLANDS DOWN NEAR SEVILLE. THAT'S A 2000 ACRE CONSTRUCTED WETLANDS THAT TAKES WATER, UH, OUT OF THE TRINITY RIVER THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCHARGED UPSTREAM FROM OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. UH, SEND IT THROUGH THIS 2000 ACRE CONSTRUCTED WETLANDS. AND THEN THAT FINISHED WATER IS THEN RETURNED TO LVO LAKE AS A WATER SUPPLY. UH, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY DO. UH, WE ALSO PURCHASE, UM, REUSE WATER FROM TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY OUTTA THE MAIN STEM OF THE TRINITY RIVER AND TRANSFER THAT TO OUR WETLANDS AS WELL. UH, SO THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER REUSE THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN ONGOING WATER REUSE MASTER PLAN TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. UH, BILLY ALSO SPOKE TO A FEW PERMIT APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT ONGOING TO CLAIM ADDITIONAL, UH, PERMIT CAPACITY FOR SOME OF THOSE DISCHARGES OUT OF WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANS. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT, UH, THROUGH THIS WATER REUSE MASTER PLAN. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO SEE IF ADDITIONAL WETLANDS WOULD MAKE SENSE OR IF THERE'S SOME OTHER TECHNOLOGY, UH, THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE TO EMPLOY. UH, WITH REGARDS TO ONSITE, UH, WATER RECYCLING, WHICH YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT WITH THE GRAY WATER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR ABOUT REGULARLY WHEN WE GO TO CONFERENCES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. UH, THOSE ARE OFTEN, THEY'RE TYPICALLY IMPLEMENTED WITHIN A RETAIL SYSTEM. UH, SO THOSE ARE OFTEN SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN A GIVEN COMMUNITY. UH, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY A PARTY TO THOSE AS THEY'RE GOING. HOWEVER, THERE IS FROM TIME TO TIME SOME THINGS HAPPENING IN AUSTIN WITH REGARDS TO THEM. UH, AND SO WE'LL KEEP OUR EAR TO THE GROUND ON THOSE THINGS. BILLY, ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD? NO, I THINK YOU COVERED IT VERY WELL. AS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALEX, AS HE BRINGS A REGION IN, AND WE LOOK AT THIS VISIONING, WE LOOK DOWN THE ROAD TOWARDS 2029 TO REALLY LEAN INTO WATER CONSERVATION. EVERYTHING WILL BE ON THE TABLE. AND SO THE APPETITE FOR THE LOCALITIES AND THE RETAIL PROVIDERS TO DO THESE KIND OF MORE ADVANCED AND AND MORE SOPHISTICATED THINGS, IT'S, THERE'S BROAD BASED SUPPORT. WE WOULD BE ALL IN FOR CERTAIN. YEAH. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT TOO. AND, AND BELIEVE ME, I LOVE THE WETLANDS PROJECT. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A NATURAL PROCESS. AND, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL LEVEL OF THAT, THEY STILL HAVE TO EXTRACT THE WATER ORIGINALLY FROM THE NORTH TEXAS WATER, MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, BUT THAT ONCE THAT'S ACQUIRED THAN THEY CAN GO INTO RECYCLING. SO THERE'S, YOU ACQUIRE IT FIRST AND THEN YOU POTENTIALLY RECYCLE IT WITHIN THE SPACE OR THE BUILDING. SO POTENTIALLY IT WOULD HELP THAT IN THE FUTURE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'D REALIZE THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH OR COULD ADVOCATE FOR THAT, BUT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ADVOCATE FOR IT. RIGHT. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, I WANTED TO MENTION ON, I KNOW WITH EXTRACTING, UM, OTHER ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCES, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE AQUIFER RUNNING THROUGH EAST TEXAS, I KNOW, UM, IF Y'ALL BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE EAST TEXAS, UH, WATER, UH, UH, WATER, WATER MEDIC, UH, MODERN, MEDICINAL CO, UH, DISTRICT, UH, SPECIFICALLY ON THE NECHES AND TRINITY VALLEY GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. HAVE Y'ALL HAVE ANY INSIGHT ON THAT? AND, UM, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON EXTRACTING WATER FROM THAT AQUIFER OUT EAST TEXAS? UH, SO AS BILLY WAS GOING THROUGH WATER SUPPLY PLANNING, AND I'LL LET YOU PICK UP HERE IN A MOMENT. UH, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THE FUTURE OF NORTH TEXAS. AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, UH, AND CONSIDERING THOSE, UH, WITH THAT SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIRM PLANS RELATED TO, UH, THE REFERENCE THAT YOU MADE. UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO CONSIDERING AS IT MAKES SENSE. BILL, YOU WANNA KIND OF BUILD ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE. THANK YOU, JENNA. YOU KNOW, WE, AGAIN, WE, WE LOOK AT GROUNDWATER. WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING GROUNDWATER, AS JENNA SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE TODAY, UM, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT REACTION TO ONE A, A LACK OF, OF DATA AND INFORMATION. LIKE WHAT WILL BE THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT DEVELOPING THAT GROUNDWATER [01:05:01] SUPPLY BE, AND WHAT WILL THAT MEAN TO THE LOCALS? AND SECONDLY, UM, THERE'S, UH, SOME FEAR OVER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO, YOU KNOW, EXISTING WEALTH. ARE THEY GONNA BE IMPACTED NEGATIVELY? AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE ONE UNDERSTANDABLE, UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTOOD, AND THEN TWO, OR COULD BE MITIGATED, RIGHT? SO IT'S GONNA BE IMPACTED. THERE CAN BE MITIGATION, AND THAT'S PART OF THE ROLE OF THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S EQUITABLY SHARED AND EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS. SO, UH, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING THESE WATER SUPPLIES, LOOK, EAST TEXAS IS WHERE THE RAINFALL EAST TEXAS IS WHERE THE WATER IS HARD STOP, NO QUESTION. RIGHT? AND SO AS WE LOOK IN REGION C AND IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS, OR WE LOOK IN THE AUSTIN AREA, OR WE LOOK IN THE SAN ANTONIO AREA, GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE ALL GROWING LIKE CRAZY. AND THEY'RE NOT WHERE ALL THE WATER IS IN TEXAS, IT'S IN EAST TEXAS. OUR CHALLENGE, I, I BELIEVE, FIRMLY IS TO PARTNER WITH THE, UH, LOCAL INTERESTS AND ENTITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYBODY'S TAKEN CARE OF. AND THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. WIN-WIN IS POSSIBLE IF YOU, WE GET COME TOGETHER AND WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BE CREATIVE ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, HARMING, UH, IT'S ABOUT CREATING THESE WIN-WIN SITUATIONS WHERE THE AREAS THAT ARE GROWING, THE METROPOLITAN AREAS WHO SUBSIDIZED FINANCIALLY THROUGH THE STATE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC AND UNION, GREAT ECONOMIC ENGINE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE STATE THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND FIND SOLUTIONS THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE. YEAH. WELL, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ON THAT SUBJECT MATTER AT THE MOMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO IS GOING TO BE EXTRACTING, HOW'S IT GONNA BE DISTRIBUTED AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE INVOLVED. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR PARTICIPATION IS OR, OR IS IT AT ALL AT THE MOMENT? SO, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, YES. I MEAN, THAT IS THE AQUIFER, AND YES, THERE'S A LOT OF WATER COULD BE THROUGH THAT AQUIFER AND THAT WE'RE TAPPING INTO IT. AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT FU WHAT THE FUTURE, UH, HOLDS FOR POTENTIALLY TAPPING INTO THAT. AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IF, IF IT, IF, IF IT WAS AGREED UPON? THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT QUESTION. SO, UM, MAJORITY IN THE MAJORITY OF THAT, UM, WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED IN WE SEE STATEWIDE, NOT JUST FOR OUR REGION, IS IN CARA WILCOX. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AQUIFER THAT GOES ESSENTIALLY FROM NORTHEAST TEXAS, THE BORDER WITH, UH, LOUISIANA. AND IT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TEXAS TO CENTRAL TEXAS AND THEN DOWN, EVEN OUT TO THE SOUTH TEXAS, OUT ACROSS THE, UH, AND EXITS. IT'S A HUGE THING. UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO ABSOLUTELY, AND WE'VE SEEN IT SUCCESSFUL OTHER PLACES. LOOK AT SAN ANTONIO PRIVATE ENTITY, UM, WENT AND PERMITTED SUCCESSFULLY A WATER SUPPLY PROJECT. UM, AND THEN WERE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY AND BRING IT TO BEAR FOR SAN ANTONIO AND HELP MEET SOME OF THEIR NEEDS. UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, LESSONS TO BE LEARNED OUT OF THAT, THAT PARTNERSHIP AND THAT TRANSACTION. UM, UH, A LOT OF STORIES OUT THERE PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THE LOCAL IMPACTS WERE, WERE THOUGHT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVELY. UH, BUT I THINK THAT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS CAN BE DONE AND DONE WELL, AND SOME OF THOSE LESSONS LIKE THAT CAN BE APPLIED SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN WIN. RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, MR. GEORGE, I, ON YOUR PRESENTATION, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, IT SLIDE 17 WHERE YOU HAD SOME, UH, REGIONAL WATER PROJECTS IN THE WORKS. I WANNA BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT SLIDE. I'M CURIOUS IF, IF THE SIX OR SO THINGS THAT ARE LISTED THERE, ARE THOSE ALREADY INCLUDED IN, UM, THE CHART ON 12, THE, THE, ABOUT THE FUTURE DEMAND AND SUPPLY? I WAS TRYING TO COMPARE THAT TO THE NEXT CHART WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COLORS. YEAH, MY CHART NUMBER DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH YOURS. JANET, YOU HAVE 16, I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, SLIDE 20 ON THE, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT SHOWS THE STATE WATER PLAN. OH, STATE WATER PLAN. OH, YEAH, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CHARTS. THE THE FIRST ONE'S ON 12. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS IF THE, THE REGIONAL PRO WATER PROJECTS AND THE WORKS ON SLIDE 17 IS INCLUDED IN WHAT'S ON SLIDE 12, OR IF THAT IS, WHAT IF THAT IS INCLUDED SOMEHOW IN, IN THE CHART ON 20? OKAY. SO REGIONAL WATER PROJECTS IN THE WORKS, THOSE ARE IN THE PLANNING FOR, UH, 12. THOSE ARE INCLUDED AND ARE SHOWN ON 12. THEY ARE, UH, THE ITEMS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE WORKS ON SLIDE 17 ARE INCLUDED. AND WHAT'S ON SLIDE 12. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT. IT'S, SO I APPRECIATED THE SPECIFICITY OF, OF THESE. UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN IS SORT OF WHAT, WHAT IS NEXT? YOU HIGHLIGHTED A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF WHERE WE ARE. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO NEW, UM, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT WAS MY CONCERN. THE CHART ON 20 IS HELPFUL, BUT LIKE THE LAKE T BACK BACKUP PLAN AS YOU CALLED IT, [01:10:01] LIKE HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE TO GET ONLINE? I KNOW THAT'S INCLUDED AS POTENTIALLY PART OF WHAT WOULD BE IN THE CHART ON 20. LIKE, DO WE ALREADY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE? WE, WE WOULD PLAN FOR FIVE YEARS TO BRING LAKE TOOMA, LAKE T DESALINATION. IT WOULD TAKE FIVE YEARS FROM CONSTRUCTION. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. IT'S ABOUT THREE, THREE YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION. SO GIVE US TWO YEARS TO FINALIZE THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN. IS THAT ALREADY STARTED OR IS THAT, THAT'S TRULY A BACKUP PLAN OF SOME OF THESE OTHER PLANS DON'T WORK THEN WE'LL START THAT. SO THE PRELIMINARY WORK WAS BEEN DONE IN SHELF YEARS AGO, AND THE PERMIT WAS ACHIEVED YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE AL ALWAYS, 'CAUSE WE KNEW, WE KNEW WE, UH, POTENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S READY TO GO. THE LIMITING FACTOR OR WHAT IS, WOULD BE NEEDED TODAY IS TAKE IT THROUGH PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND THE FINAL ENGINEERING IN THE BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. SO THE MAJOR UNKNOWN PIECES OF ALL OF THOSE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS WHEN I TALKED ABOUT, UH, LOOKING AT WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, REGULATORY PIECE BUTTONED UP. A LOT OF THAT UNCERTAINTY IS ELIMINATED. SO THAT IS ONE THAT WE COULD LIMIT HIGH CONFIDENCE. UM, IS THERE A REASON THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT NOW? IS THAT ? SURE. THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEED TO RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY. I SAID THERE'S FIVE YEARS TO BRING IT ONLINE. WE DON'T NEED TO BE MOVING ON IT TODAY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, 'CAUSE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT, OUR EXISTING PLANS WILL GET US THROUGH THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND BEYOND. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, INTO THE NEXT, THROUGH THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THERE MAY, THAT DAY MAY COME WHERE WE NEED TO PULL THE TRIGGER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S READY TO GO. BUT THAT'S NOT TODAY. THAT WOULD BE AN IN INEFFICIENT USE OF THE PUBLIC'S FUNDS TODAY. BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WITH CERTAINTY IT TAKES FIVE YEARS AND WE DON'T NEED IT FIVE YEARS. AND I'LL ADD THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO REALIZE SOME OF THE THINGS ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARD, IT WOULD BE A MORE COST EFFECTIVE USE OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S A BACKUP PLAN. 'CAUSE THERE'S, YOU'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO PUT IN ITS PLACE AND WE WON'T NEED IT. RIGHT. UM, OKAY. UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT. UM, ON THE SORT OF LONG-TERM PLANNING WITH RESPECT TO RESERVOIRS, I KNOW THAT THAT'S SORT OF SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING AT. WHAT IS, UM, WHERE ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS? UM, DO WE ALREADY HAVE PERMITS? ARE WE GETTING PERMITS? WHAT, WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, COMING UP NEW RESERVOIRS? SO FOR THE MAJOR RESERVOIRS POTENTIALLY OUT IN THE FUTURE, UH, THEY WILL BE CONSORTIUMS AND GROUPS WHO WILL PURSUE THOSE, NOT JUST NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS OUR POTENTIAL BIG PROJECT PARTNERS, OUR FINALIZED THE KEY ONES, OUR FINALIZING THEIR LONG TERM WATER SUPPLY PLANS TO ASCERTAIN EXACTLY WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE TO HELP INFORM WHAT WE JOINTLY PURSUE. SO WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE WINDOW OVER THE NEXT ROUGHLY YEAR OR SO WHERE, UM, THOSE MAJOR PARTNERS WILL BE FINAL AND, AND HAVE ADOPTED THEIR OWN LONG TERM WATER SUPPLY PLANS. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND PLAN STRATEG, STRATEGIZE ACTIONABLY, WHAT MAKES THE BEST SENSE FOR EVERYBODY TO GO. UM, BECAUSE THESE ARE VERY COMPLICATED, UH, POLITICALLY CHALLENGING, UM, EXPENSIVE, UM, DIFFICULT PROJECTS TO DO. AND THE GREATEST DEGREE OF SUCCESS COMES WITH THESE PARTNERSHIPS WHERE WE HAVE INTEREST FROM ALL, FROM THE, FROM ACROSS THE REGION, UH, BOTH POLITICAL INTERESTS, FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION TO BRING TO BEAR. SO I ANTICIPATE IN THE COMING MONTHS, UM, YEAR PLUS, WE WILL BE, UH, GETTING TOGETHER WITH OUR PARTNERS AS THEY WRAP UP THEIR PLANNING PROCESS AND WE UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S COLLECTIVE NEEDS AND WE, AND WE ARE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE OPTIMAL PROJECTS FOR THE REGION, FOR OUR BIGGER REGION. UM, JUST FOR MY OWN EDUCATION FOR THE PUBLIC, SORT OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT TOOK, WHAT, 30 YEARS TO GET BO ARC. UM, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? SO I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PLANNING, JUST PURELY PLANNING STAGE WITH PARTNERS. WHAT, WHAT'S NEXT? TELL US SORT OF HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK, ASSUMING ALL WENT ACCORDING TO PLAN. SURE. SO, UM, GENERALLY, SO ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WITH CERTAINTY, UM, CONFIDENCE WHAT THE REGIONAL NEED IS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT, WHO ALL WHAT REGIONS, AND HOW MUCH, HOW BIG IS THAT NEED THAT LEADS INTO INFORMING WHAT THEN MAJOR PROJECT OR PROJECTS WILL MEET THAT NEED. AND THEN ONCE WE OBTAIN, UH, THAT KINDA GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO OPTIMIZE AND VET OUT WHAT THE BEST, UH, PORTFOLIO WILL BE TO MEET THEIR COLLECTIVE NEED, THEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY WORK, UM, TO LOOK AT, UH, EARLY, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UM, CHARTING OUT THE PERMITTING PROCESSES, MEETING WITH THE PERMITTING AGENCIES TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD, BE VERY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND PERMITTING AGENCIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, NOT ONLY THE STATE PERMITTING FOR A WATER, RIGHT, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY WHAT WOULD BE PURSUED FIRST, BUT THEN ENGAGING EARLY THE ENVIRONMENTAL. UM, THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ISSUES, WHAT'S CALLED A, UM, IN WATER ACT, SECTION 4 0 4 PERMIT. AND THAT IS THE OFFICIAL PERMIT THAT ALLOWS FEDERAL LEVEL FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW RESERVOIR. UM, IT IS, THEY OVERSEE A PROCESS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PERMIT THAT INVOLVES A NUMBER OF RESOURCE AGENCIES. AND THOSE RESOURCE AGENCIES INCLUDE, UH, THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY, US FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, [01:15:01] TEXAS COMMISSION OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. AND THERE ARE OTHERS. AND IT BRINGS TOGETHER, UH, AS WELL AS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL INTERESTS. UH, THINGS LIKE, UM, NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE AT THE SEA AND OTHERS THAT ARE SIMILARLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING CAN'T UNDERESTIMATE THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE ALONG THIS JOURNEY ENGAGEMENT WITH LOCALS AND IMPACTED, UH, AGAIN, MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE WIN-WIN SITUATIONS. WE'VE GOTTA HAVE WIN-WIN, UH, AS MUCH AS WE CAN WIN-WIN SOLUTIONS FOR THESE KINDS OF MAJOR PROJECTS, MUCH LIKE WE DID WITH , UM, WE WENT FANON COUNTY, WE WERE ABLE TO GET LOCAL SUPPORT BECAUSE WE SAT DOWN WITH LEADERS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND COUNTIES AND CAME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT WORKED FOR THEM AND WORKED FOR THE REGION SO THAT WE WERE ALL IN TOGETHER. SO WE NEED TO GET THAT SUPPORT. WE WOULD ENGAGE WITH THOSE PERMITTING AGENCIES, UH, AND WE WOULD ALL THE WHILE BE WORKING ON THE VARIOUS STAGES OF THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING TO GET THE TECHNICAL WORK DONE. ONCE WE HAVE THE BIGGER PICTURE OF, UH, PERMITTING AND RESOURCE AGENCIES ON BOARD, WE'VE GOT SUPPORT. WE'VE GOT A PLAN WITH THE LOCALS AND THE INTERESTS THERE. UM, THEN WE, UH, THEN WE GOTTA START AND BEGIN DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PIECE. UM, KIND OF MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S THE JOURNEY OF DEVELOPING THESE MAJOR WATER SUPPLIES. YOU LEARN A LOT, YOU LEARN WHAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT ON DAY ONE. SO AS WE GO OUT AND THEN START DOING THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PIECES, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE GO OUT AND PHYSICALLY GO LOOK ON THE GROUND, UM, WITH THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND, AND OTHER RESOURCE AGENCIES, UH, DETERMINE WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WILL, WILL BE, WHAT THE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS WILL BE, AND WORK THROUGH THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS, IDENTIFY PLANS TO HOW TO MITIGATE IMPACTS THE ENVIRONMENT THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. AND THEN THAT WHOLE PRO, THAT WHOLE UH, THAT WHOLE PIECE, WHAT I'VE JUST KIND OF DESCRIBED, YOU KNOW, TAKES YEARS. AND ESPECIALLY THE BIGGER PRO, THE BIGGER THE PROJECT, THE LONGER IT TAKES 'CAUSE IT'S MORE COMPLICATED. UH, THERE'S MORE ASSESSMENTS, THERE'S MORE WORK TO DO. AND THEN, UH, BUT ONCE WE GET THROUGH ALL THAT, IT'S ALL CATALOGED AND AND UNDERSTOOD, THEN WE START MOVING INTO, UM, HOPEFULLY FINALIZING A PERMIT, GET A PERMIT ISSUED. THAT'S A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS, UH, PUBLISHING THE FEDERAL REGISTER. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STEPS. AND ALL ALONG THE WAY THERE ARE THESE WAY POINTS WHERE THE PUBLIC IS ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AND WE LEARN THINGS THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES AND WE ADJUST TO THOSE, UH, AS WE DID WITH, UH, LAKE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD, ONCE WE GET THROUGH ALL THAT, WE GET A PERMIT. UH, THEN WE GO INTO IMPLEMENTING ANY KIND OF, UH, MAKING GOOD ON ANY LOCAL COMMITMENTS THAT ARE MADE WITH, UH, LOCAL INTERESTS AS WELL AS, UM, RESTORING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OR MAKING PROVISION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND CONSTRUCTING A PROJECT ITSELF. SO IT CAN BE, THAT'S DECADE IN THE MAKING. YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY. AND BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS 30 YEARS, SO MAYOR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON WATER AND SURE. LET SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, HAVE WASTEWATER AND CONSERVATION AND SOLVE WASTE QUESTIONS, THESE STRATEGY STRATEGIES, . SO, UM, THAT'S GREAT. SO A A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS IN THIS SLIDE, ESPECIALLY THE LONGER TERM, THOSE ARE, UH, THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PRELIMINARY AND ONGOING STUDIES THAT ARE GONNA INFORM. SO TALK ABOUT AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY. WE'RE DOING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EVALUATION OF THE AQUIFERS THEMSELVES. THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HOW AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY MIGHT BE USED. SO IF AS WE GO THROUGH THIS STUDY, WE'RE IN THE DESKTOP PHASE, IF WE FIND SOME THAT LOOK INTERESTING OR MAY BEAR MAY BEAR OUT, THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO SOME PILOT PROJECTS POTENTIALLY TO PROVE IT OUT BEFORE WE MAKE MAJOR INVESTMENTS. UM, JENNA WAS TALKING ABOUT, I MENTIONED THAT WE WERE DOING OUR, UM, WATER REUSE MASTER PLAN. UH, THAT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. UM, WE HAVE A, A, A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, ENDEAVORS AND, AND THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY, I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND I, UH, ON THE LAKE OF THE PINES PURSUIT, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE OF NEWS STORIES THERE CAN, CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE HOPE TO REENGAGE WITH SOON. UM, AFTER THAT PROJECT, WE DID RECEIVE SOME PUSHBACK IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. UM, SOME THINGS, UH, BUT WE, WE STILL BELIEVE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO DEVELOP THAT PROJECT TAP IN THE LAKE OF THE PINES AND NOT HAVE A, A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE LOCALITIES. SO, UM, WE HAVE THOSE, JUST A FEW, UH, ALONG WITH, UM, WE ROUTINELY MEET WITH OUR PARTNERS ON THE PROGRESS THAT, ON THEIR PLANNING, UH, UNDERSTAND THE PROGRESS ON THEIR PLANNING. SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING THOSE PARTNERS AND HOLISTIC COALESCING ON WHAT THOSE MAJOR, MAJOR LONGER TERM WATER SUPPLIES WOULD BE. UM, WE ROUTINELY MEET AND WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, AS THEY FINISH UP THEIR LONG RANGE PLANNING PROCESSES, WE'LL BE HAVING MORE ACTIONABLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IDENTIFYING WHAT SUPPLIES WE WANNA PURSUE JOINTLY. UM, SO THOSE MEETINGS ARE ONGOING. UH, WE'RE GETTING UPDATES REGULARLY, ROUTINELY, [01:20:01] I THINK TARRANT REGIONAL WATER DISTRICT, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR PARTNERS, UH, RECENTLY HAD A BRIEFING TO THEIR BOARD ON, UH, PRELIMINARY FINDINGS FROM THEIR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN. SO IT'S VERY EXCITING THAT WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THAT. UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. AND OTHERS, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE, WE TALK TO FOLKS, UH, ROUTINELY AND REGULARLY, UM, WHO ARE, ARE INTERESTED IN SEEKING OR PURSUING, UH, WATER POTENTIAL OPTIONS. SO I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE. PERFECT. COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THIS, UH, REALLY, REALLY, UH, IMPRESSIVE PRESENTATION OF LOVE. THIS PRESENTATION THIS TIME, ESPECIALLY THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE ADDED. SLIDE 20, UH, THAT GREAT ANSWERS, LOTS OF THINGS. I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN LAST TIME. THOSE ARE THERE. IT'S VERY COMFORTING THAT YOU HAVE THOSE SOURCE. SO AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT THAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND A SOURCE. WATER SOURCE CONSERVATION, THESE ARE ALL GOING NATIONWIDE, YOU KNOW, STATE LEVEL, EVERYWHERE. BUT END OF THE DAY, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAVE MAJOR IMPACT IS THE USUAL, NOT RESIDENTS. THE RATE IS GOING UP. SO THAT'S THE THING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE WORRY ABOUT, UH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY FIX THE SUPPLY, BUT WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THAT, HOW WE CAN REDUCE THE COST. THOSE ARE THINGS, UH, BECAUSE AS AN ENGINEER CAN FIND MANY SOURCE TO, WHEN THE DEMAND GOES UP, YOU'RE GONNA FIND A SOURCE YOU'RE GONNA SUPPLY, BUT COST IS GONNA GO UP. SO WE NEED TO DO IT LIKE MORE COST, COST EFFECTIVE WAY, UH, UH, AND ALSO LIKE, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL REUSE THAT WILL HAPPEN IF, IF I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RATE IS LIKE, WHAT'S TODAY IS GONNA BE DOUBLE IN 10 YEARS, AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW AFTER 10 YEARS IS GONNA BE MORE. SO NATURALLY, I THINK SOME OF THE REUSE WILL HAPPEN, UH, WHETHER YOU ENCOURAGE CUSTOMER TO DO THAT OR NOT. BECAUSE WHEN THINGS ARE GOING OUT OF HAND, SOMEBODY WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO CERTAIN THINGS, SO, BUT WE, WE NEED TO DO IT LIKE MORE SYSTEMATIC WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WE CAN DO A MORE PREDICTABLE WAY. AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, I, I ALWAYS SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE SURPRISE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, NOTHING. I WANNA SEE THE STABLE STABILITY OR LIKE I CAN SEE WHEN I'M DRIVING. SO HOW, WHAT CAN YOU DO? I MEAN, THIS DOUBLING THE RATE IS, I WOULD SAY NOT ACCEPTABLE. NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT SAYING NOT ACCEPTABLE IS ONE THING, BUT END OF THE DAY I HAVE, I HAVE, I JUST HAVE TO PAY WHAT I NEED. I CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT THE WATER. SO WHAT CAN YOU DO? I MEAN, TO, UH, COME UP WITH A GRAPH THAT'S NOT LIKE A DOUBLE IN 10 YEARS, IT'S MANAGEABLE WAY. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT? I MEAN, IT CAN DO SOMETHING. IT'S SOMETHING WE THINK ABOUT EVERY DAY. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS TODAY ABOUT COST ESCALATION AND OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM, AND IT'S, I, I COMPLETELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND AGREE, WATER IS SOMETHING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR LIFE AND NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE TO EVERYBODY. UH, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT TO US. UM, BE A GOOD FINANCIAL STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC'S RESOURCES, WHICH WE'RE ENTRUSTED WITH IS, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IN TERMS OF MANAGEMENT FOCUS AREAS FOR MYSELF AND THE MOST SENIOR LEADERS OF OUR TEAM. UH, SO IT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO AND WORK TO DO WHAT WE CAN PRACTICALLY DO, UH, TO MEET THE NEED IN THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MANNER THAT WE CAN. UH, WITH THAT SAID, THE NEED IS INCREASING, UH, AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND, UH, WASTEWATER AND, UH, SOLID WASTE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED ACROSS THIS REGION IS INCREASING. AND IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE NEEDS AND DO IT, UH, RELIABLY AND SAFELY, UH, IT REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL IS THE PRIMARY THING THAT'S REALLY DRIVING OUR COST UP. UM, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT GROWTH, BUT IT'S ALSO AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND MEETING INCREASING REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. UH, AND SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DRIVERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, WE JUST, TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE US AND WORKING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ONLY DOING WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO, UM, BUT STILL MAKING SURE WE'RE ABLE TO MEET THAT NEED. UH, AND SO IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENING ON AN ONGOING BASIS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, [01:25:01] WITHIN OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE'LL, UH, HAVE AN UPCOMING BUDGET WORK SESSION WHERE WE'LL BE TALKING THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THAT WITH OUR BOARD, AND THEY'RE GONNA ASK A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS. AND SO, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR US, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PAYING A CLOSE ATTENTION TO. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE, THE BIDS THAT WE'RE GETTING IN FOR SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE COMING IN HIGHER THAN, UH, WHAT WE EXPECTED THEM TO COME IN AT THE TIME THAT WE BUDGETED FOR THEM. AND EVEN HIGHER THAN WHAT OUR ENGINEERS PROJECTED THEY TO BE AT A 90% DESIGN LEVEL. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY. AND, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY THAT EXISTS IN TODAY'S, UM, WORLD FOR WHAT THINGS ARE GONNA COST TWO AND THREE, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IS, UH, CONTRIBUTING TO THAT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW, HOW TO REALLY MANAGE THAT MOST COST EFFECTIVELY TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS AND DO IT AS COST EFFECTIVELY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION. EVEN TOUGH THERE IS AN ANSWER FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW TO PREDICT THE CONSTRUCTION COST, UH, MOVING FORWARD IS TOTALLY OUT OF HAND. I, I DO UNDERSTAND. BUT UH, AND ALSO COMING UP WITH THE CAP CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE TIMING, THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT THAT CAN WE DELAY SOMETHING? CAN WE EXPEDITE SOMETHING? UH, BECAUSE THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT A GOOD TIME FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. I WOULD BE SAYING THAT PRICE HAS GONE UP CRAZY WAY. I DON'T SEE WHY CONTRACTORS ARE BIDDING SO HIGH, UH, UH, WHICH I JUST DON'T KNOW FOR EVERYTHING. UH, NOW YOU TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION, YOU TALK ABOUT SUPPLY AND YOU TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS, UH, REUSE. HOW ABOUT THE LEAK SYSTEM LEAK? DO YOU HAVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATION, YOU CAN ACCEPT SO MUCH. WE ARE USING LESS WATER PER CAPITA, BUT PAYING MORE FOR THE WATER TODAY, I MEAN, TOMORROW WE'RE GONNA BE USING LESS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MY WATER BILL IS GONNA BE LESS, IT'S GONNA BE HIGHER. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S HOW THINGS ARE GOING. UH, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO MUCH OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, IF WE CAN FIX SOME OF THE SYSTEM, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE, LIKE THE GRAPH THAT SHOWS WHERE THE FITTING POINT? YEAH, AND, UM, MAY, IF BILLY WANTS TO ADD ON TO WHAT I OFFER HERE. SO WE'VE DONE ANNUAL UPDATES ON, UM, CONSUMPTION ACROSS OUR REGION TO OUR WATER COMMITTEE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UH, AND SO WE WILL KIND OF LOOK AT THE INFORMATION THAT'S SUBMITTED BY THE CITIES ACROSS THE REGION AND KIND OF SEE HOW THAT STACKS UP AND LOOK AT WHAT OUR TRENDS ARE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES AND SO FORTH. UM, FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR, WE ARE AUGMENTING THAT PRESENTATION TO NOT ONLY SHARE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON A GALLON PER CAPITA PER DAY BASIS, A CONSUMPTION PER PERSON KIND OF BASIS, UM, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT WATER LOSS, UH, AND PROVIDING SOME INFORMATION AND A FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THE REGION. AND SO THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT CITIES HAVE BEEN REPORTING ON TO STATE, UH, AS WELL AS TO US FOR SOME TIME. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE TO PUT MORE EMPHASIS ON THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. AND SO, UH, COMING UP, UH, IN TWO DAYS ON WEDNESDAY, OUR WATER COMMITTEE WILL BE RECEIVING A, A BRIEFING ON GALLONS PER CAPITA, PER DAY CONSUMPTION, AS WELL AS WATER LOSS, UH, AND WHAT TRENDS WE'RE SEEING IN THAT REGARD. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STEPPING INTO AND, UH, WANNA PUT MORE EMPHASIS ON THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. THAT'S GREAT. SO IN THE FUTURE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER GRAPH THAT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE, THIS IS THE SUPPLY, THIS IS ANOTHER DEMAND, AND THIS IS WITH CONSERVATION. YOU HAVE ALL THOSE, AND THIS IS ANOTHER LINE THAT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE LEAK IN THE SYSTEM, WE WOULD HAVE THIS MUCH SUPPLY. UH, THEN IT COULD SAY THAT, OKAY, BY FIXING SOME OF THE LEAK, THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD SEE THAT, OKAY, SOME OF THE STACK THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SLIDE 20, IT COULD SAY THAT YOU DON'T NEED THAT PORTION IF YOU ALREADY FIX SOMETHING. UH, AND YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, SLIDE 20, THAT DEMAND THAT YOU HAVE, IT'S MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE. SO SHOWN ON SLIDE SLIDE 12, THE GREEN LINE, THE BLACK LINE IS HIGHER THAN THE GREEN LINE. SO EVEN WITH HIGHER DEMAND LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY SOURCE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR RATE WOULD BE PROBABLY FIVE TIMES OR 10 TIMES MORE THAN WHATEVER WE ARE PAYING TODAY. SO IF WE PUT THE COST, UH, I WOULD NOT SLEEP WELL IF I SEE THAT, OKAY, WE HAVE THE SUPPLY SOURCE, UH, BUT THE COST IS GONNA BE MORE THAN MY CITY PROPERTY TAX, UH, FOR THE WATER ONLY. SO I'M THROWING SOME OF THE SCARY NUMBER. BUT IT COULD BE WELL BE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, IS GONNA COST US HUGE. UM, I MEAN, [01:30:01] TREATING WATER IS SIX, $7 PER THOUSAND GALLON. AND THE WASTEWATER YOU ARE SPENDING ANOTHER $8 IN 10 YEARS PER THOUSAND GALLON IS A LOT. I MEAN, IT'S A HUGE COST. UH, SO SOMEHOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT THE SUPPLY, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO WORRY, BE, WORRY ABOUT, UH, END OF THE DAY HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PAY FROM OUR POCKET. I SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I TELL MY CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE MONEY GOES, IT'S LIKE, IF IT'S NOT IT MY POCKET, I'M LOSING THAT MONEY. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SPENDING SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, BUT I SEE THAT WHATEVER IS COMING IS GOING IS GOING OUT FROM MY POCKET. SO THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT. UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE GRAPH. I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU HAVE THOSE DATA, UH, BUT YOU DID GREAT JOB PRESENTING TODAY THAN THE LAST TIME. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK ONCE WE SEE THAT DATA AND EVERYTHING'S CLEAR, YOU'RE GONNA BE PANICKING YOURSELF. YOU'RE GONNA THINKING, YOU KNOW, OH MY GOSH, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS THING. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL MATTERS. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR COMING HERE AND FOR TAKING SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME TO PRESENT TO US AND BEING SO CONSISTENT WITH IT. UM, YOU KNOW, I WILL, I DO HAVE TO GIVE Y'ALL CREDIT. I MEAN, IT DOES, IT IS A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION EVERY SINGLE TIME AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT SLIDE 20, UM, THAT JUST HAD ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SOURCES ON IT AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT. THAT WAS A SLIDE THAT THIS A STATE COMMITTEE OR STATE DEPARTMENT CAME UP WITH AND SORT OF GAVE Y'ALL OR, YEAH. SO, UH, WE ARE PARTICIPANTS IN THE STATE WATER PLANNING PROCESS MM-HMM . UH, SO THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ADMINISTERS A STATEWIDE PLANNING PROCESS THAT OCCURS ON A FIVE YEAR INTERVAL. AND IT'S A BOTTOM UP PROCESS, UH, WHERE PROVIDERS ACROSS THE STATE ARE DEVELOPING, UM, USING GA STATE GUIDANCE. HERE'S WHAT OUR DEMANDS ARE, HERE'S WHAT OUR EXISTING SUPPLIES CAN YIELD, HERE'S POTENTIAL, UM, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF GROWTH PATTERNS PER THE DEMOGRAPHER'S OFFICE AT THE STATE LEVEL, UH, AND THEN HERE'S POTENTIAL STRATEGIES TO MEET THOSE GROWTH PROJECTIONS INTO THE FUTURE. UH, SO WHAT YOU SEE ON SLIDE 20 IS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE REGENCY WATER PLANNING GROUP, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE NORTH TEXAS AREA AS PART OF THE INITIALLY PREPARED PLAN OR DRAFT STATE WATER PLAN FOR REGENCY IN MARCH. UH, SO IT'S FAIRLY RECENT INFORMATION AND IT GETS UPDATED ON A FIVE YEAR INTERVAL. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SHOWN WITHIN OUR LONG RANGE WATERS PLAN, WHICH WE DO INDEPENDENTLY AS WHAT'S SHOWN IN 20, UH, SLIDE 20 IS REALLY REFLECTIVE OF THE STATEWIDE APPROACH, UH, THAT IS ADMINISTERED BY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. UM, WE'RE ABLE TO REFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR OUR OWN PURPOSES AND GIVE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS MORE ACCURATE, UH, ASSUMPTIONS TO BUILD OUR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN ON OUR OWN. BUT THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. UH, SO THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH IS WHAT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THAT REGENCY INITIALLY PREPARED PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY REGENCY IN MARCH. IT'S, UH, IT WAS A COMFORTING SLIDE TO SEE. AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING THAT IT WAS LIKE DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH Y'ALL'S PLANS, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND IT'S STILL, I MEAN, THINK BACK TO 2021 WHEN Y'ALL CAME BEFORE US, AND WE REALLY, I MEAN, I THINK SOME OF US ON THIS COUNCIL WERE A LITTLE BIT SPOOKED BY THE WATER SUPPLY, AND THEN I THINK TO THE PRESENTATION YOU'RE GIVING TODAY. AND IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE PRESENTATION YOU'RE GIVING TODAY DOES HAVE MORE OPTIONS AND MORE POTENTIAL AVENUES FOR Y'ALL TO GET SUPPLY? AND MAYBE WE WE SHOULD FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE NOW THAN WE DID BACK THEN, OR? NO. SO I THINK, UM, AS, AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO MEET THE WATER NEEDS OF OUR REGION MM-HMM . UM, AND I'LL SAY AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT KINDA WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION THIS LAST SESSION, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORIC GENERATIONAL TEXAS SIZED EMPHASIS ON WATER AND INVESTMENT IN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE BY THE STATE AS A WHOLE. SO WE'RE VERY ENCOURAGED BY THAT AS WE'VE BEEN HUGE RECIPIENTS OF THE STATE'S INVESTMENT IN WATER IN THE PAST. UH, WITH THAT SAID, THE, THE POLITICAL UNCERTAINTY IN THE REGULATORY UNCERTAINTY WITH IMPLEMENTING THESE PROJECTS IS SIGNIFICANT. BILLY SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING THROUGH THAT AS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT RAW WATER SUPPLY DEVELOPMENT. UH, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE MAJOR SUPPLIES THAT [01:35:01] ARE CONTAINED UPON THIS SLIDE THAT YOU'RE HAVING COMFORT IN, I LOOK AT WHAT THE BIGGEST BARS ARE THAT ARE NOT CURRENT SUPPLIES, AND SEE THAT FOR THOSE, WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF OPPOSITION ASSOCIATED WITH THEM IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR, UH, BOTH IN THE LEGISLATURE AS WELL AS IN THE LOCAL LOCALES WHERE THOSE WATER SUPPLIES ARE LOCATED. UH, SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LEAN IN TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR REGION AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH THE NORTH TEXAS REGION AS WELL AS THE LOCATION WHERE WE WOULD BE GOING TO OBTAIN THOSE WATERS. UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF OUR SUCCESS, IS WE'VE GOTTA MEET THE WATER NEEDS OF THE STATE AS A WHOLE. UH, AND SO AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE, THERE'S CONTINUES TO BE CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY ASSOCIATED WITH THESE, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE MUST CONTINUE TO LEAD IN AND MEET THOSE NEEDS. YEAH, NO, I, AND IN FACT, YOU, UM, BILLY, YOU ASKED US JUST TO DO A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH ON LAKE OF THE PINES, RIGHT? AND I DID, AND FIRST THING THAT CAME UP WAS THIS TEXAS TRIBUNE ARTICLE THAT HAD TWO REALLY DRASTIC PICTURES OF EVEN JUST THE WATER LEVEL OF THE LAKE, RIGHT. FROM I GUESS WHEN IT WAS FULL IN 22 TO 2011 WITH A BIG DROUGHT. AND SO, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? I MEAN, THAT JUST, IT, IT, IT IS SO DRASTIC AND IT'S SUCH A BIG PART OF THIS BAR GRAPH, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT DO Y'ALL DO TO PLAN FOR WATER SUPPLY IN THE BAD YEARS LIKE THAT? I MEAN, HOW ARE WE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT? SO WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, SURFACE WATER SUPPLIES, WE HAVE WHAT WE, WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS FIRM YIELD, AND THAT'S THE DESIGN BASIS. FIRM YIELD IS BY DEFINITION THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COULD BE EXPECTED TO RECEIVE IN A REPEAT OF THE DROUGHT OF RECORD. SO FOR RESERVOIRS, THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU CAN EXPECT TO RECEIVE OUT OF THAT DURING A REPEAT OF THE DROUGHT OF RECORD. UH, SO THAT IS OUR BASIS. SO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE CHARTS, UM, WE TALK ABOUT DRY YEAR DEMANDS. SO DRY YEAR DEMANDS ARE OUR, IN THEORY, UM, WHEN IT, THERE, IT'S A DRY YEAR, SO THEREFORE IT'S NOT RAINING. IT'S LESS THAN AVERAGE RAINFALL SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THEN IN THEORY, THERE ARE NO OTHER RESTRICTIONS ON WATER USE. SO PEOPLE CAN JUST WATER OUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE, THE CITY ORDINANCE WILL OUT OF IT. MM-HMM . SO DRY YEAR DEMANDS ARE HIGH. AND THEN FOR PLANNING ON SUPPLY RELIABILITY, WE USE THIS FIRM YIELD OUT OF RESERVOIRS. SO THAT IS A, AGAIN, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S AVAILABLE DURING A REPEAT OF THE DRIVER RECORD. SO BETWEEN THESE TWO KIND OF EXTREMES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE BASIS. SO LIKE WHEN, IN REFERENCE TO THE IMAGES, YOU SEE THOUGH, IF THAT 2011, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE DROUGHT OF REC PERIOD FOR THAT RESERVOIR BASE. MM-HMM . SO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S THERE IS, IS DE IS DEFINING WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN A REPEAT OF DROUGHT OF RECORD, BECAUSE THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS THEIR DROUGHT OF RECORD, UH, MUCH MORE RECENT THAN OTHERS. SO THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. AND SO, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NUMBERS, WE TALK ABOUT YIELDS FROM RESERVOIRS, IT IS BASED ON WHAT WAS THAT WORST DROUGHT AND HOW MUCH WATER IS AVAILABLE FOR USE. NO, THANK YOU. ANNETTE DOES EXPLAIN. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S A REFRESHER ON HOW TO READ SOME OF THESE OTHER GRAPHS AS WELL, SO THANK YOU. UM, THE, THE LAST QUESTION I HAD REALLY IT'S PART STATEMENT, I GUESS PART QUESTION. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SORT OF TWO DIFFERENT, SO I COME, I WORK IN INSURANCE AND ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THAT WE CONTROL COSTS, RIGHT? THERE'S EITHER HOW MUCH WE PAY OUT IN CLAIMS AND, UM, HOW MUCH WE MONEY WE MAKE FROM JUST SELLING INSURANCE, RIGHT? AND, AND THE PREMIUM. AND HOW DO YOU KIND OF RECONCILE THOSE TWO NUMBERS? AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION HERE WHERE WE CAN ON THIS SIDE COMPLAIN ALL DAY ABOUT THE WATER RATES Y'ALL ARE GONNA CHARGE, BUT THERE'S JUST, AS COUNCIL MEMBER SHAEL SAID, THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO, RIGHT? IT'S JUST GONNA GO UP AND IT, IT KIND OF IS WHAT IT'S RIGHT. UM, HOWEVER, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO ON OUR END, WHICH IS JUST CONSERVE WATER, BECAUSE HERE IN SEVEN YEARS, UM, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WILL COMPLETELY DETERMINE HOW MUCH WATER IT HAS TO BUY, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE DETERMINED BY ANY OTHER CITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THAT END, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ONE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, OUR OWN GOAL PLANNING AND WHEN IT COMES TO SORT OF OUR OWN, I GUESS OUR OWN THOUGHTS AND OUR BUDGET PROCESS. I MEAN, JUST WHEN WE GET INTO THAT, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW THE MATH WORKS OUT REAL QUICK. AND SO, DON, I, I'D ASKED YOU REAL, I ASKED YOU EARLIER TODAY, I MEAN, JUST WHAT OUR BASELINE NUMBERS WERE, RIGHT? AND I THINK YOU SAID 11 BILLION WAS WHAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO BUY AS OUR MINIMUM, BUT WHAT WE ACTUALLY USE IS ON A GOOD YEAR, LIKE AROUND 8.5, IS THAT CARLOS, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK, UH, [01:40:01] YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE CREEPING DOWN SLOWLY. WE'RE IN A, WE'RE IN THE EIGHT YEAR TRANSITION PERIOD, WHICH THE RESET IS SIGNIFICANTLY SLOWER DURING THAT PERIOD. UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, FY 30, 29 OR 30 WHERE WE GET INTO THE FIRST YEAR WHERE OUR ACTUAL MM-HMM . USAGE WILL BE FACTORED INTO THE FIVE YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE. UH, THAT'LL BE THE FIRST YEAR, I BELIEVE. MM-HMM . UM, AND SO WE'RE INCHING DOWN A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS, IS WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO OVER THE EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE LESS WATER THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S STILL, JUST THE WATER ALONE IS GONNA STILL COST ABOUT $2 MILLION MORE THAN IT DID LAST YEAR. RIGHT. AND SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A POSITIVE THAT WE'RE, THAT THE MINIMUM MANUAL WILL TAKE IS, UH, IS IS REDUCING, BUT IT'S OFFSET, LIKE WE KNEW IT WOULD BE. MM-HMM . I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SAVING MONEY FROM THE METHODOLOGY, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA PAY AS MUCH. RIGHT. NOT PAYING AS MUCH. I MEAN YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. CAN YOU, I'M SORRY, CAN WE GO BACK TO SLIDE 26 OR JUST LOOK AT IT OR, UM, BILLY, DO YOU HAVE THE CLICKER OR, OR JEN, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU YEAH, PERFECT. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN, I'M SORRY, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BLUE AND THE THE GREEN MEAN. SO THE GREEN LINE IS LAST YEAR'S PROJECTION, AND THEN THE BLUE LINE IS OUR UPDATED PROJECTION FOR THIS YEAR. OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY. AND SO JUST MAYBE IF Y'ALL CAN FOLLOW IN WITH MY MATH, JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND LIKE KIND OF WHAT THE MAGNITUDE OF, AGAIN, NOT, MAYBE NOT SAVINGS, BUT ALSO, UM, BUT WHAT WE WOULD, LET ME JUST HOLD ON A SEC. SO IF THAT'S ABOUT WHAT LIKE TWO, 2.5 BILLION IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 11000000008.5 BILLION, AND SO YOU DIVIDE THAT BY A THOUSAND AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD MULTIPLY LIKE 6.78 BY RIGHT. AND THAT GETS US TO SAY 16 AND ROUGHLY 16 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. AND THAT IS SORT OF THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE, WE WOULD PAY IF WE SOLD TO PAY THAT 11 BILLION MINIMUM VERSUS WHAT WE'D HAVE TO PAY IF WE'RE USING THE ACTUAL AMOUNT NOW. RIGHT. AND IT'S, I I WANNA MAKE REAL OKAY. YEAH, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON IT. AM THERE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? 16 MILLION? YES. IT'S 16 MILLION LESS THAN WE OTHERWISE WOULD'VE PAID, BUT I WANNA MAKE BROCHURE THAT THE COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY REALIZE UHHUH IT'S NOT $16 MILLION LESS. RIGHT. WE'RE STILL GONNA BE PAYING MORE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE BY YEAH. BY THAT TIME. UM, BUT IT WOULD BE, IT'S $16 MILLION LESS THAN WE WOULD'VE OTHERWISE PAID HAD WE NOT CHANGED. UH, OR HAD WE NOT NEGOTIATED TO CHANGE THE RATE METHODOLOGY. EVERYONE'S RATES ARE GONNA GO UP, BUT THERE'S A LOT WE CAN DO ON OUR END YEAH. AS WELL. IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY TOOL THAT WE HAVE THAT'S VERY TRUE. IT'S, IT'S OUR ONLY, IT'S OUR ONLY THROTTLE ON THE INCREASES, YOU KNOW, TO THE RATES THAT YOU SEE HERE IS HOW MUCH WATER WE ACTUALLY USE AND RIGHT. AGAIN, I I THINK SOMEBODY MADE THAT POINT. IT'LL, IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, STILL, YOU KNOW, NINE YEARS OR SO BEFORE WE CAN FULLY REALIZE THE BENEFIT OF THE ROLLING FIVE YEAR AVERAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE FOUGHT SO HARD FOR. UM, BUT WE WERE THINKING IN TERMS OF FIVE DECADES WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS , RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES NINE YEARS TO GET THERE FULLY, BUT WE'LL BE THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME. AND IT WILL, WE WILL SPEND LESS ON WATER OVERALL THAN WE WOULD HAVE SPENT AS A RESULT OF THE NEW METHODOLOGY SUBSTANTIALLY LESS. YES. REALLY. SO POTENTIALS AND, AND, AND THAT'S OUR MAIN TOOL FOR, UM, FOR IMPACTING HOW MUCH THE WATER COSTS US EACH YEAR. YEAH, YEAH, DEFINITELY SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. I THINK. AND YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A REGIONAL SYSTEM AND INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO GET BUILT, RIGHT? SO DON'T TAKE THAT COMMENT THE WRONG WAY, BUT, UM, YEAH. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU MAYOR PROAM HUTCHIN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I THINK OVER THE, UM, SEVEN YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN IN COUNCIL, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE I THINK Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB IN LISTENING TO US OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND BROUGHT A PRESENTATION THAT IS VERY, WAS VERY, THAT IS VERY FOCUSED ON ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. I THINK THE, UM, WATER SUPPLY, UM, DISCUSSION, ALL OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, SAME THING ON COST, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, UM, BEING DISCUSSED IS IN REGARDS TO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND HOW MUCH CAPACITY DO WE HAVE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, UH, WE HAVE THE CONCERN OF HAVING ENOUGH WATER, BUT ON THE REVERSE SIDE, WE NEED TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WE CAPACITY ON OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM, UM, OVERALL, AND I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE SLIDES AND I DON'T BELIEVE I HEARD ANYTHING TALKED ABOUT ALONG THOSE LINES. THEN IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT IT, THAT'S FINE. BUT IF YOU COULD MAYBE UPDATE US OR GET SOMETHING TO DON THAT HE COULD SHARE WITH US IN REGARDS TO, TO, [01:45:01] TO THE REGIONAL WASTEWATER, BECAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS THAT, UM, WHILE WATER IS ALWAYS A, A BIG CONCERN AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE, UM, THERE'S ALSO THE OTHER, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT EQUATION, IF YOU WILL, ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE AS WELL. UH, COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER, GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR. UM, YES, WE, WE LIKE TO TRY A BRIEF UPDATE IN RESPONSE TO THAT, UH, POINT ABOUT WASTEWATER. AND WE, WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT AT THIS PARTICULAR EVENING 'CAUSE IT WASN'T, UH, A BIG MAJOR OF FOCUS. UM, BUT IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. SO TWO THINGS, THREE THINGS, MAYBE ONE, UH, OVER THE LAST YEAR PLUS A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, UM, OUR TEAM'S BEEN WORKING WITH CITY OF RICHARDSON ABOUT EXPLORING, UM, POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES WITH ADJACENT CITIES TO SEE WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF MAYBE, UH, TRANSMITTING SOME OF, UH, THE WASTEWATER TO OUT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON THROUGH, UM, GARLAND AND OR DALLAS. AND SOME OF THOSE ARE STILL GOING ONGOING AND THERE'S A PROCESS INVOLVED WITH THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF THE RALLY CREEK REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT BASIN, WHICH IS WHAT RICHARDSON IS IN, UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY, THE DISTRICT IS CURRENTLY SPECIFICALLY WRAPPING UP A PROJECT LOOKING AT CAPACITY NEEDS IN OUR UPPER EAST FORK INTERCEPTOR SYSTEM. THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT CONVEY THOSE FLOWS IN. AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, EARLY IN FY 26, WHICH BEGINS OCTOBER ONE, IS TO KICK OFF A FOCUSED, UH, LOOKING AT THAT ROUTE AT CREEK SEWER SHED BASIN TO SEE WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE AND WHAT WILL BE OPTIMALLY MEET THOSE NEEDS. SO THERE'S WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, THERE'S WORK THAT'S GOING ON TODAY AND THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE A CONCERTED EFFORT AND CERTAINLY THE CITY WILL BE INVOLVED IN, IN THAT PROJECT IN, IN FY 26. SO THERE WILL BE THINGS DOWN THE ROAD TO BE REPORTING ON UPDATE AND FINDINGS AS FAR AS HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT, BUT, UH, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE IN A GOOD, UH, FIDUCIARILY RESPONSIBLE WAY AND OF COURSE A SYSTEMATIC WAY SO THAT WE'RE NOBODY'S OVER OVERBUILDING, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, SIR. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND THEN, UH, MOVE ON IF, AS WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS STILL FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE ON CONSERVATION. I'M STILL WANTING, UH, UM, UH, AND SO MAYBE LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT I THINK IS THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT I'M LOOKING FOR AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN KIND OF BEGIN TO BUILD IN THAT DIRECTION. SO FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A DECENT AMOUNT OF CON CONSERVATION TALK, BUT I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE BEING ANYWHERE NEAR AS AGGRESSIVE ON CONSERVATION AS WE COULD BE. UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE LOOK AT PER SINGLE FAMILY, I, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT PER CAPITA, BUT I THINK IF YOU BROKE THINGS DOWN INTO THINGS LIKE PER SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, PER APARTMENT UNIT, UH, AND, AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF GIVE US SOME FEEL AS TO WHAT BEST PRACTICES ARE LOOKING LIKE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT LOOK LIKE US. UM, BECAUSE I WORK IN THE WATER WORLD SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO SOME LEVEL OF CONSUMPTION, I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WA WHEN A WATER DISTRICT IS BEING REALLY AGGRESSIVE ON CONSERVATION, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY THAT. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT IS THAT THE ENTIRE INCENTIVE IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, BEST I CAN TELL IS ALTHOUGH WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SUPPLY, IN ORDER FOR ANY OF THIS STUFF TO CONTINUE TO WORK, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO SELL MORE WATER. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'LL, I'LL STOP FOR JUST A MOMENT AND ASK A QUESTION, HAVE YOU MAYBE GIVE ME AN ANSWER, BUT IF MAGICALLY ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL OF YOUR MEMBER CITIES DECIDED THEY WERE GONNA GET REAL AGGRESSIVE WITH WATER CONSERVATION, DROP THEIR WATER CONSUMPTION BY 20%, AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOUR REVENUE AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE REST OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BUDGETED? I'LL STOP THERE FOR A MOMENT AND I'LL, I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP TO THAT 10%, 20%, ANY NUMBER. I WOULD BE SUPER EXCITED TO DIG INTO THAT. IF THERE WAS A WILLINGNESS TO REALLY MAKE THAT KIND OF CHANGE, THAT, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. UM, SO IT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE OUR CAPITAL NEEDS, UH, WHICH ARE THE BIGGEST PART OF WHAT'S DRIVING OUR COST UP, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WOULD DO FOR, UH, THOSE OPERATING COSTS. UH, WE HAVE FIXED COSTS AND WE HAVE NOT FIXED COST. AND, UM, SO I WOULDN'T, UM, EXPECT THAT THE FIXED COST WOULD NECESSARILY GO DOWN THE SAME PROPORTIONATE AMOUNT. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE NON-FIXED [01:50:01] COSTS THAT THERE'D BE SOME SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR THINGS LIKE CHEMICALS, POWER, RAW WATER PURCHASES. UH, SO I THINK IT WOULD TAKE SOME EVALUATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW, UH, TO, TO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IN TERMS OF THE RATE. BUT THERE WOULD, IF WE COULD GET, TO WHATEVER EXTENT WE CAN GET CONSERVATION TO REALLY TAKE HOLD AND HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT, UH, EVEN BEYOND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY REALIZING TODAY, THERE'S BENEFITS TO THE REGION IN TERMS OF COST SAVINGS OPPORTUNITIES. SO THEN I GUESS WHERE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED 'CAUSE THAT SOUNDS GREAT, ACTUALLY, UH, APPRECIATE THE EXCITEMENT AND THE ANSWER , . UM, BUT I, I, I WORRY ABOUT THEN WHAT, WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING, WHY ARE WE NOT BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THE CONSERVATION SIDE? WHY ARE WE NOT, UH, DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY HOME HAVE A, UH, UH, WATER CAPTURE? WHAT ARE WE, WHY ARE WE NOT MAKING SURE THAT EVERY NEW BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT, WHY ARE WE NOT INCENTIVIZING THEM TO HAVE WATER CAPTURE AS A PART OF THEIR USE AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AS INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT AS THEY CAN BE? IT JUST, I DON'T SEE THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT SAY THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE DESPERATELY WANT, BUT MAYBE I'M NOT SEEING IT SO HELP, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M NOT SEEING, OR IF MY PERCEPTION IS TOTALLY OFF HERE. SO I, I THINK WE'RE IN KIND OF SOMEWHAT OF A, A PARADIGM SHIFT WITH REGARDS TO, UH, POTENTIALLY A WILLINGNESS AMONGST OUR, UM, MEMBER CITIES TO CONSIDER A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN WHAT'S BEEN TAKEN IN THE PAST. UH, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK TO, UM, PRIOR TO THE CHANGE TO THE, THE METHODOLOGY FOR HOW MUCH PEOPLE, HOW MUCH CITIES ARE PAYING FOR THE, THE INCENTIVE WAS NOT THERE THE WAY IT WILL BE AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE. AND SO I THINK WE'RE IN A PARADIGM SHIFT AS WE'RE MOVING FROM, UH, CITIES PAYING FOR THE MOST AMOUNT OF WATER THEY'VE EVER USED, UH, TO PAYING FOR IT ON A FIVE YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE. AND SO I THINK NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO REALLY BE REVISIONING. UH, AS ALEX SPOKE ABOUT, WE ADOPTED THE 2024 WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AFTER, UM, MANY MONTHS AND MANY MEETINGS WITH OUR MEMBER CITIES TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE IS FOR WHAT THAT BASE LEVEL OF CONSERVATION PRACTICES. AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT THOSE KIND OF ADDED MEASURES COULD BE EMPLOYED BY CITIES WOULD BE. UH, AND THAT WAS REALLY GONE THROUGH IN PROBABLY 22 TO 24, UM, WITH THIS KICKOFF OF THIS UPCOMING VISIONING PROJECT. UH, AND LOOKING TO WHAT WE WOULD BE ADOPTING IN THOSE CONSERVATION PLANS THAT WERE SENDING TO THE STATE IN 29. I BELIEVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LEAN IN AND MAKE SOME EVEN BIGGER SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UH, AND SO I'M, I'M REALLY PLEASED TO HEAR YOUR EXCITEMENT AROUND IT. UH, AND WE'LL BE ANTICIPATING TO KIND OF SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES' PERSPECTIVES ARE AND TO WHAT EXTENT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO KIND OF ENVISION, UH, THOSE MORE AGGRESSIVE APPROACHES. UM, WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE NOT THE RETAIL PROVIDERS, WE'RE THE WHOLESALE PROVIDERS. AND OFTEN THE COMMUNICATING TO, UH, THE FOLKS WITHIN INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES ON WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR HOW WATER IS USED WITHIN THEIR HOMES AND BUSINESSES, UM, THERE'S OFTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THOSE FOLKS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S, UM, MESSAGING AND REQUIREMENTS ON HOW THEY'RE MAKING BEST USE OF THOSE RESOURCES. UH, AND SO KIND OF FINDING WHAT THAT, UH, RIGHT APPROACH IS ACROSS THE REGION IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN DOING. UH, AND WITH THE EXCITEMENT HERE IN RICHARDSON, I THINK WE'D BE VERY PLEASED TO FIND WAYS TO PILOT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UH, HERE WITH YOU ALL. SO ON THAT FRONT, UH, INCENTIVE WISE, AGAIN, SEE EXAMPLES OF WATER DISTRICTS THEMSELVES DOING INCENTIVE PROGRAMS FOR, UH, WATER REDUCTION AND THAT SORT OF THING. IS THAT A PART OF THE CALCULATION ON YOUR END? IS THAT A PART OF THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D NEED TO TALK WITH MEMBER CITIES ABOUT. UH, AND SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD SOME INTRODUCTORY CONVERSATIONS AS STAFF AS TO SOMETHING THAT AS WE REALLY BEGAN TO, UM, LOOK HARD AT FUTURE OF WATER CONSERVATION, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MEMBER CITIES TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WOULD BE. OKAY. UM, THAT'S HELPFUL. I, I'M GONNA ASK ONE LAST QUESTION. I'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER. BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, AS YOU KNOW, THE STATE JUST RECENTLY, UH, APPROVED, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL MONIES TOWARDS, UH, HELPING US WITH WATER SUPPLY. AND OBVIOUSLY WE [01:55:01] SAW A NUMBER OF CHARTS THAT STILL SEE THE NUMBERS GOING UP, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THAT. UM, BUT AS WE START SEEING THE MONEY GET RELEASED AT THE STATE LEVEL, 2.6 BILLION, I UNDERSTAND NOW, OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT VICINITY AND ANOTHER MAYBE 20 BILLION TOTAL. IS, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE WAY WE'RE APPROACHING THINGS AS A WATER DISTRICT THAT IS GONNA HELP US BE FRONT OF LINE WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THOSE FUNDS? SO THOSE ARE, UH, PRIMARILY ADMINISTERED OR I THINK ALL ADMINISTERED BY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND AROUND, UM, HALF OF THE MONEY IS SET ASIDE FOR WATER SUPPLY AND THEN ABOUT HALF IS AVAILABLE FOR ALL WATER USES. UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, UM, WE ARE, I BELIEVE, THE SECOND LARGEST DEBTOR TO THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. WE'RE VERY ACTIVE, PARTICIPATE PARTICIPANT IN THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD'S, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. UM, A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS THAT, UH, WERE SPOKE ABOUT THIS EVENING AS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE NEXT YEAR TO, UM, MOVE SOME OF THE OMA WATER TO THE LEONARD WATER TREATMENT PLANT TO BE ABLE TO BLEND BOAT, ARK WATER AND OMA WATER. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING THOSE THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD SWIFT PROGRAM STATE WATER IMPLEMENTATION FUND FOR TEXAS. SO IT WOULD BE MAKING USE OF SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS THAT WERE ALLOCATED. UH, SO WE VERY MUCH PAY ATTENTION TO THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WITHIN THE STATE. IT'S PRIMARILY USED AS REDUCED INTEREST RATES, SO DISCOUNTED INTEREST RATES ON LONG-TERM. UM, UH, BOND SALES IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS. AND THE CURRENT DISCOUNT IS 14%, UH, COMPARED TO THE MARKET VALUE. SO THEY'LL ESSENTIALLY, UH, GO TO MARKET SELL BONDS AT A GIVEN INTEREST RATE AND DISCOUNT THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT'S BEEN AT A 14% RATE FOR THE SWIFT PROGRAM. UH, SO THROUGH MAKING USE OF THOSE PROGRAMS TO DATE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE AROUND $500 MILLION, UH, AND EXPENDITURES OVER THE LIFE OF THE, THE LOANS THAT WE'VE TAKEN ON. AND WE DEFINITELY WILL BE LOOKING TO MAKE USE OF IT AS WE GO FORWARD. UH, THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED, IS IT CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR IN THE SFPS? 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GET INVITED TO PARTICIPATE, AND WE DON'T USUALLY PLAN FOR IT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WE'RE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, UH, THANK YOU. UM, YOU STARTED TOUCHING ON ONE OF MY QUESTIONS HERE, WHICH IS ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES SUCH AS THE STATE AND STATE FEDERAL FUNDING. SO I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROJECTIONS WE'VE SEEN HERE TODAY. DO YOU ANTICIPATE IF WE, IF WE DO GET INVITED TO PARTICIPATE, THAT IT WILL AFFECT ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS IN ANY OF THOSE CHARTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED US? AND IF SO, TO WHAT DEGREE DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT WILL? SO IT SHOULD REDUCE SOME OF THE INTEREST EXPENSE THAT WE HAVE FORECASTED? UM, IT'S HARD TO SAY EXACTLY. I DI I DIDN'T QUANTIFY IT FOR THIS PRESENTATION, BUT YEAH, I'LL SAY IF YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP AND SEND IT TO MR. ER, THAT'S FINE. THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM, UH, OKAY. ON THE SLIDE 20, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT TONIGHT, I'M CURIOUS EITHER, UM, MR. GEORGE, MS. COVINGTON, UH, WHETHER ANY OF THOSE, UM, SORT OF IDENTIFIED SOURCES UNDERSTANDING NOW FROM COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, UH, AND HIS QUESTIONING THAT THIS WASN'T SOMETHING YOU, YOU NECESSARILY CREATED, OR NOT NECESSARILY YOUR STRATEGIES, IF ANY OF THEM ON HERE ARE SHORT TERM STRATEGY. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT LONG TERM STRATEGIES SUCH AS BUILDING RESERVOIRS, BUT ARE, ARE ANY OF THE THINGS ON THIS CHART, UH, NEAR TERM STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT OTHER THAN THE, UH, THE LATEX DESALINATION WE TALKED ABOUT? UM, THEY, THERE ARE, SO WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL CONSERVATION RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE BLUE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE GREEN, UH, STACK BAR. SO ADDITIONAL CONSERVATION, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, BLENDING, UH, FROM TAX. OF COURSE, THAT'S A FUNCTION OF HOW MUCH FRESH WATER WE BRING IN. UH, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE CERTAINLY THERE. AND THEN OUR REUSE WATER, WHICH IS HOW, YOU KNOW, THE EXPANDED RE WETLAND REUSE, THAT'S HOW ONE MECHANISM BY WHICH WE CAN MAKE USE OF RE REUSE, REUSE WATER, AND IT WILL GROW OVER TIME AS POPULATION GROWS. SO THEY ARE, AND, AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SHORT TERM ON THAT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, YOU KNOW, A RESERVOIR IS 30 OR 40 YEARS. WHAT DOES THE SHORT TERM MEAN FOR OH, WELL, IT'S REALLY ALL, IT'S REALLY ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IS SOMEWHERE, UH, OUR LOWER END TODAY, LIKE SEVEN TO 10 YEARS, IS WE WOULD WANNA BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO, ONCE WE COMPLETE OUR WATER MASTER PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES, UH, A WETLANDS, AND WE GO TO PURSUE THAT, DEVELOP THAT, THAT'S PLENTY OF TIME TO IDENTIFY PROPERTY, BUILD IT, ACTUALLY BRING IT TO BEAR. SO SEVEN YEARS IS NOT, [02:00:01] UH, TOO LONG. THAT WOULD BE MORE IN THAT FOUR TO FIVE YEAR RANGE, LIKE A DESALINATION PROJECT. OKAY. FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE SHORT TERM. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, IT WAS 2036, I THINK MAYBE IT'S 2035 NOW. THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SORT OF SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT. UM, AS WE GROW, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL HEARING YOUR ANSWER OF SEVEN TO 10 YEARS. THAT'S REALLY PUTTING US CLOSE TO THAT DEADLINE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS COMING ONLINE IN THE VERY NEAR TERM THAT WILL MAKE THIS GRAPH LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND TO, UM, COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN, WRITER'S POINT, UH, WE DIDN'T TALK A LOT ABOUT WASTEWATER TONIGHT, BUT FOR NEXT YEAR, I WOULD LIKE SORT OF AN EQUAL DEDICATION TO WASTEWATER. WHEN YOU PRESENT TO US, UM, JUST SORT OF THE EFFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEM. I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR, I THINK IT'S RALLY CREEK WE HAVE TO PUMP OUT TO OTHER, UH, TREATMENT STATIONS. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE EFFICIENCIES OF THAT? UM, SORT OF THE DATA AROUND, UM, WHETHER BUILDING NEW FACILITIES WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN PIPING, YOU KNOW, DOZENS, TENS OF MILES AWAY TO OTHER FACILITIES. UM, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, TO HEAR IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION AS WELL. UM, AND THEN, UH, I'M CURIOUS TOO, AND AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOR TODAY, BUT FOR A FUTURE PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ON, YOU TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT, SORT OF ABOUT HOW YOU, UH, PARTNER WITH YOUR MEMBER CITIES AND CUSTOMER CITIES ABOUT WHAT THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR YOUR PLANNING NEEDS AND HOW YOU, UM, UH, ADD THAT INTO YOUR PLANNING INTO THE FUTURE. HOW DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR MEMBER CITIES ARE EXPANDING AND GROWING AS MORE POPULATION IS COMING IN, UM, BOTH FROM, UM, JUST, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL CONSUMER, UM, TO A LARGE, UH, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURER, INDUSTRIAL USER? HOW ARE YOU GETTING THAT INFORMATION AND PUTTING INTO YOUR FUTURE PLANNING? UM, SO IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE THREE THINGS ADDED TO THE, TO THE PRESENTATION AND THEN ON WATER, WATER, UH, CONSERVATION TO THE MAYOR'S POINT. AND, UH, COUNCILMAN CHAEL'S POINT, UM, ABOUT LEAK DETECTION. I KNOW IN THE PAST YOU'VE TALKED SORT OF ABOUT HOW YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM, UH, AND YOU SCOPE IT, YOU LOOK AT IT, UH, JUST FOR A SAFETY STANDPOINT. UM, BUT DO YOU ALSO DO THAT INTO YOUR OWN SYSTEM, UM, RELATED TO LEAKS AND WATER LOSS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THOSE THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR TODAY? UH, NO PROBLEM. SO WE HAVE, UH, AS PART OF OUR LINEAR ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, WE HAVE, WE PRIMARILY, UM, WE, WE DO OUR PIPELINE INSPECTIONS. WE USE TWO TECHNOLOGIES ON THOSE. ONE LOOKS FOR REALLY DISTRESS IN THE PIPE TO SEE IF IT, IF THERE'S ANY DISTRESS IN THREAT OF FAILURE. AND THE OTHER IS, UM, IT'S A TECHNOLOGY CALLED SMARTBALL. AND WE'RE LITERALLY A, THERE'S A BALL THAT IS AS A LISTENING DEVICE THAT WE PUT IN OUR PIPELINES AND SEND THROUGH THERE, AND IT CAN HEAR WHEN THERE IS A LEAK MM-HMM . AND THEN WE USE THAT. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND OUR WATER LOSS CHARGE LOOK FANTASTIC BECAUSE WE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND ELIMINATE A NUMBER OF LEAKS, UH, OVER THE LAST DECADE. SO, SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL. OUR SYSTEM IN TERMS OF LET'S TALK LEAKS IN GENERAL, THE DISTRICT HAS WHOLESALE SYSTEM THAT MEANS THAT OUR PIPELINES ARE, ARE LARGE AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS TO THEM, NOT COMPARED TO A CITY SYSTEM. THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS, THE NUMBER OF THINGS, AND PURS AND VALVES THAT YOU HAVE IN A SYSTEM. AND IT CORRELATES TO, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE NO LEAKS. RIGHT? SO OURS IS A VERY, IT IS A VERY TIGHT SYSTEM, JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE BEAST, OUR LEAKS ARE VERY LOW, AND WE DO INVEST IN SMARTBALL DETECTIONS. IN THE PAST WE'VE EVEN USED SOME TECH SATELLITE TECHNOLOGIES TO HELP IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE WE MAY HAVE SOME LEAKS, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE AND HOW WE'RE MANAGING OUR LEAKS. AND WE'RE ALSO VERY ATTUNED THAT THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF LEAKS, VERY DIFFERENT CITIES, CITIES HAS MUCH BIGGER CHALLENGE IN, IN DEALING WITH LEAKS AND WHEN YOU HAVE FEW CONNECTIONS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO, YEAH. AND I KNOW, I KNOW IT WAS COMING TO, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA ADD THAT TO THE PRESENTATION, TO THE, TO THE WATER COMMITTEE. WHAT, UM, WHAT WILL, AND GIMME A PREVIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WHAT, WHAT IS THE HOPE IN ADDING THAT TO, UH, THE COMMITTEE? UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE SORT OF RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF, OF PRESENTING THOSE, THOSE PERCENTAGES OR HOWEVER YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT IT TO THAT COMMITTEE? WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO GAIN FROM THAT? SO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW WATERS BEING USED ACROSS THE REGION, AND BE ABLE TO HAVE APPROPRIATE CONVERSATIONS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE BEST USE OF RESOURCES THAT WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE TO US. UM, IT'S ADDED BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REQUESTS, UH, FOR THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION, AS WELL AS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MEDIA ATTENTION. AND SO WE'VE GOT THIS INFORMATION THAT IS BEING REPORTED. OUR BOARD WOULD LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND SEE HOW THAT LOOKS WITHIN THEIR INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY CAN BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS. UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MEDIA INTEREST IN [02:05:01] WATER LOSS, UH, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. UH, AND WE'VE GOT DIRECTORS SAYING, OKAY, HOW DO WE LOOK? HOW DO WE LOOK? AND SO, UH, WE'RE BEING RESPONSIVE TO THAT REQUEST AND HOPE THAT IT WILL ALLOW FOR A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION, UH, TO MOVE US IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION OF MAKING THE BEST USE OF THE WATER RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US. UH, DOES THAT DATA BREAK DOWN AT ALL BASED ON WHAT'S TRULY SORT OF A WATER LOSS, LIKE A LEAK VERSUS A WATER MAIN LOSS OR FIRE USAGE, YOU KNOW, A FIRE DEPARTMENT USAGE? DOES IT BREAK DOWN OR IS IT JUST A HOLISTIC PERCENTAGE? UH, IT DOES BREAK DOWN. UM, IT'S A FUNCTIONAL, BECAUSE THIS, THIS DATA, THE BASE DATA IS WHAT IS REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED TO THE STATE, RIGHT, BY THE MUNICIPALITIES. AND SO IT DOES, UM, UNDER THIS BROAD UMBRELLA, WE CALL IT NON-REVENUE, WATER, NON-REVENUE. WATER IS THE, IS THE CEILING. AND THEN UNDER THAT, IT FORKS OUT THE DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF NON-REVENUE WATER. SOME OF IT, AS YOU SAID, UH, WATER IS REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE TRAINED AND CAN PRACTICE AND ACTUALLY PUT OUT FIRES. SOME OF THE WATER IS REQUIRED TO BE USED AND PUT ON THE GROUND FOR, UH, WATER QUALITY. UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF OTHER USES THAT IS NON-REVENUE WATER. THAT MEANS IT'S NOT SOLD THROUGH A RETAIL METER, BUT IT'S COUNTED FORWARD. YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE IT TO HAVE A HEALTHY SYSTEM. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WATER LOSS, AND THAT'S ONE SPECIFIC TYPE OF, OF NON-REVENUE WATER AND IS SPECIFICALLY TIED TO LEAKS. UM, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OTHER NON-REVENUE WATER, UH, REALITIES OUT THERE THAT ARE, ARE VERY HEALTHY AND WE NEED TO HAVE THEM. AND THEY'RE NOT BAD, THEY'RE NOT LOST, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT GETTING REVENUE FROM THEM AS A, AS AN ENTITY GOVERNMENT ENTITY, BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING USED TO, UH, PUBLIC PURPOSES AND OTHER USES. SO, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME MENTION OF THAT. UM, THE DATA IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED, UH, IN THE, IN THE, THE SOPHISTICATION WITH WHAT ANY PARTICULAR CITY, THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY GRAB THAT DATA AND GET VERY GRANULAR CAN VARY. UM, BUT THERE IS ENOUGH IN THIS FIRST CONVERSATION ENOUGH, UH, GRANULAR TO HAVE A, A GOOD FIRST LOOK AND MAYBE START HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE AS A DISTRICT AND AS A REGION POTENTIALLY FACILITATE SOME CONVERSATIONS. YEAH. I'D BE CURIOUS SORT OF WHAT, WHAT THE GOAL IS, IS IT FOR THE DISTRICT TO PUT OUT EDUCATION TO CITIES ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT NOW IT'S PURELY INFORMATIONAL BASED ON THE, THE BOARD MEMBER'S REQUEST. BUT I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT SORT OF WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT DATA AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE BOARD, UM, MR. BYRD COULD, COULD THEN SEND BACK OUT TO CITIES ABOUT EITHER EDUCATION OR, YOU KNOW, HOW TO IMPROVE SYSTEMS, UM, TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE FROM A CONSERVATION STANDPOINT. AND QUITE FRANKLY, FROM A, FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT. SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHERE THAT GOES. AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN IT. ONE MORE QUESTION. I'M MINDFUL THAT WE'RE TWO HOURS INTO OUR MEETING , UM, SOLID WASTE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? YOU KNOW, WE USE THE DISTRICT FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO HOW IS THE, THE LANDFILL DOING? UM, YOU KNOW, IS, ARE WE RUNNING OUTTA SPACE THERE OR CAPACITY ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF OR, OR, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO WATER 2036, SHOULD I BE WORRIED ABOUT LANDFILL 2037 OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO OUR LANDFILL, UH, IS A GROUP OF FOLKS THAT PERFORM EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. UH, THE LANDFILL'S BEEN OPEN FOR, I BELIEVE, AROUND 20, A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS AT THIS POINT. AND WHEN IT ORIGINALLY OPENED, IT WAS EXPECTED TO HAVE A 40 YEAR LIFE. UH, WITH THAT SAID, WE ARE CONSTANTLY USING SATELLITE IMAGERY TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF THE AIRSPACE HAS BEEN CONSUMED AND LOOKING AT HOW MUCH LIFE IS REMAINING. AND AS IT STANDS TODAY, WE ARE STILL PROJECTING A 40 YEAR LIFE. UH, SO OUR FOLKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REFINE TECHNIQUES TO BE ABLE TO PUT MORE, UH, SOLID WASTE INTO A GIVEN, UM, UNIT OF SPACE AND REALLY MAKE BEEN THE BEST USE OF THAT AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE'VE GOT JUST EXCELLENT, UH, TEAM OUT THERE THAT HAS REALLY, UH, THRIVED IN BEING ABLE TO INCREASE THEIR COMPACTION RATES. UH, AND SO VERY PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LIFE LEFT ON THE LANDFILL. UH, WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE PLANNED, I BELIEVE, AROUND 2030 TO BEGIN LOOKING AT POTENTIAL LAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR WHERE THAT NEXT LANDFILL WOULD BE. UH, AS CITING A LANDFILL IS SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF, UH, VERY EARLY. UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON. THE ADDITION OF THE FOURTH TRANSFER STATION, UH, UP IN FRISCO IS A REALLY BIG ACTIVITY THAT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY OF FRISCO, AS WELL AS SUBMIT OUR, UH, PERMIT APPLICATION TO THE TCEQ FOR THAT TRANSFER STATION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, UH, IN THE SOLID WASTE SYSTEM. UH, THERE'S ALSO A REALLY SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP UP AT THE LANDFILL WHERE, UH, AS TRASH BREAKS DOWN, IT PRODUCES METHANE GAS AMONGST OTHERS. UH, AND WE'VE [02:10:01] GOT A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH A COMPANY THAT CLEANS THAT GAS UP AND THEN PUTS IT INTO NATURAL GAS PIPELINES ADJACENT TO THERE, UH, WHICH PROVIDES, UH, BETWEEN ONE AND $2 MILLION OF REVENUE TO THE SOLID WASTE SYSTEM EVERY YEAR. UH, THAT MAY KEEPS THE MEMBER CITY COST LOW. UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT SYSTEM. UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS TRANSFER STATION, THEY'RE PRETTY BUSY TRYING TO GET ALL THE PERMITTING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UH, THROUGH THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. JUST CURIOUS ON THE, THE 40 YEAR LIFE, IS THAT 20 MORE YEARS SINCE WE'RE 20 YEARS INTO IT, OR YEARS? NO, IT'S 40 FOR NOW, SO 60 YEARS. YEAH. YEAH. THE COMPACTION RATE IS JUST TREMENDOUS. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS CLEAR ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. UM, I'LL RESERVE QUESTIONS FOR MAYOR. IF I, IF I MAY, IF BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS, THIS WATER LOSS ISSUE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE DISTRICT, UH, BOARD IS INTERESTED IN, I WOULD JUST ONLY, UH, ASK ONE THING. MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU'RE PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION, THE CONTEXT OF THIS CITY IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. WE'VE GOT, WE ALL PAY THE SAME RATE, YET SOME CITIES HAVE 80% OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE RICHARDSON, THAT'S 40 YEARS OLD. UH, OTHER CITIES PROBABLY HAVE, UH, 80% OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE 20 YEARS OR YOUNGER, RIGHT? BUT IF CONSERVATION IS THIS IMPORTANT, SAVING THAT, UH, REDUCING THAT LOSS SHOULD BE THAT IMPORTANT AND, AND SO IT SHOULD BE A REGIONAL DECISION THAT'S MADE, NOT WHO GETS WHAT. WE'RE ALL PAYING THE SAME RATE. WE'RE ALL PAYING IT TO THE SAME SYSTEM. WE DON'T GET TO CHOOSE WHAT DEBT IS GONNA BE SPENT TO EXPAND THE SYSTEM TO CUSTOMER CITIES OR TO EXPAND, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, SERVICE TO EVEN, UH, CITIES LIKE MCKINNEY THAT ARE STILL GROWING. THERE SHOULD BE A RECOGNITION THAT IF SAVING THE WATER IS IMPORTANT, THEN SAVING THE WATER, UM, IS IMPORTANT IN THE PLACES THAT IT CAN MAKE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE. AND YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT THE, THE SAME FOREST CITIES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD TO FILE THE PC PUC CASE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, GONNA BE WHERE YOU GET YOUR GREATEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IF IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE INCENTIVES OR REBATES TO REDUCE THAT WATER LOSS. AND I JUST THINK IF THIS IS SOMETHING THE BOARD WANTS TO TAKE UP, THEY NEED TO TAKE IT UP WITH THAT MINDSET. AND NOT JUST THAT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE SYSTEM. 'CAUSE THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU'VE GOT SYSTEMS OF SUCH DIFFERING AGES AND CONDITIONS. UH, AMAZING POINT. UH, COULDN'T AGREE MORE. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, THANK YOU. I, UH, JUST, UH, FOR MY FINAL WRAP UP, I HAVE A STATEMENT AND AN ASK. UM, I KNOW OVER THE PAST FEW TIMES WE'VE MET, I'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT CONSERVATION, UH, GENERALLY FROM MY INDUSTRY, THE ARCHITECTURAL INDUSTRY. AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT LONG TERM, UH, BUT I ALSO WANNA, UH, JUST LOOK AT THE RECAP. UH, JUST REFOCUS AGAIN ON THE RECAPTURING AND THE RECYCLING OF WATER AND LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE SHORTER TERM THAT COULD HELP REDUCE, UH, THE CONSERVATION EFFORTS. AND THAT WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S COMBINING SOME TYPE OF CODE REQUIREMENTS OR WORKING WITH EITHER DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR POTENTIALLY, UH, REMODELING, UH, REBUILD INFRASTRUCTURE OF PUTTING SOME TYPE OF, UH, SYSTEM IN, WHETHER IT'S A KIT OF SOME SORT THAT KINDA LIKE A HYBRID SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, HOW YOU HAVE A HYBRID CAR, IT'S ELECTRIC, AND THEN IT CONVERTS OVER TO GAS, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS RECYCLING IN PLACE. AND THIS GOES FOR RESIDENTS, HOAS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, BUILDINGS, UH, WHETHER IT COMES, UH, EITHER SEMI CODE RELATED BASED ON THE MEMBER CITIES AND WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK YOU GET FROM THEM. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD, UH, AS YOU COME BACK TO SEE WHAT OTHER MEMBER CITIES ARE, WOULD CONSIDER THIS AS SHORT TERM. 'CAUSE THOSE ARE SHORT TERM, THEY'RE NOT 20 YEARS OUT. THESE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED OR CONSIDERED FOR, UH, RESIDENTS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUILDINGS AND DEVELOPERS. THEREFORE, IF IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING WAS PUT INTO PLACE, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, POTENTIALLY THE RECYCLING AND RECAPTURING OF WATER COULD BE REUSED. AND THEN IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DROUGHT OR THERE'S NO RAIN OR, UH, THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT MIGHT PLAY COME INTO PLAY THAT IT'S AN EASY SWITCH ON TO EXTRACT WATER FROM THE WATER DISTRICT. SO IT'S JUST A THOUGHT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, MY, I'M ENVISIONING THAT COULD BE A SHORTER TERM, UH, WHETHER IT'S A FIVE OR 10 YEAR TERM OPPOSED TO A 20 OR 40 YEAR TERM. SO, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT TYPE OF SAVINGS THAT WOULD BE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS MORE ALONG YOUR LINE OF EXPERTISE, BUT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND, AND, AND WHAT PARTICIPATION, UM, WOULD YOU HAVE AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO, TO, UH, ENCOURAGE THAT FROM OUR MEMBER CITIES? AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FUTURE TODAY? THAT'S FOR FUTURE, BUT I DID MY, MY BUT THE BOTTOM LINE QUESTION IS, IS THAT PART OF, WOULD THAT BE PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, IS TRY TO MEET WITH THE [02:15:01] MEMBER CITIES AND PITCH THIS, SO TO SPEAK AND SAY, WHAT IS THIS SOMETHING OF INTEREST? AND, AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FOR YOU? WHETHER IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT OR PART OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR MAYBE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST, IT'S A THOUGHT. IT, IT'S SHORT TERM. UH, UM, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE LONG TERM ISSUES, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT SHORTER TERM THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY IMPLEMENTING TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST DOING IT ON THEIR OWN. BUT NOW TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, OR, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY. SO, SO ALEX PHILLY, I'LL CHIME IN HERE IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS. I, I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF STRATEGIES THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED, THEY, THEY'D BE PART OF KINDA A, A CONSERVATION PLAN THAT WOULD BE APPLIED WITHIN A CITY OR ACROSS THE REGION. AND SO AS WE UNDERTAKE KIND OF THIS NEW VISION FOR WHAT DOES THAT PLAN LOOK LIKE FOR 2029, I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ON THE TABLE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE INDIVIDUAL PRACTICES, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF CODES AND THE IMPACTS TO CODES AND REALLY LOOKING ACROSS THE NORTH TEXAS REGION. ALEX, ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? NO, I MEAN, YOU SUMMED UP. WELL, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PROJECT. AND YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING I WOULD MENTION, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THE LINE OF QUESTIONING WE'VE HEARD, UH, ANOTHER PART OF THE PROJECT WILL BE LOOKING AT LIKE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR CONSERVATION, FINANCIAL BENEFIT OF CONSERVATION, POTENTIALLY COMPARING CONSERVATION STRATEGIES WITH DEVELOPMENT OF NEW WATER SUPPLY. SO ALL THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST, I JUST, I DON'T HEAR A LOT ABOUT WHAT SHORT TERM STRATEGY IS, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DOABLE, UM, DEPENDING ON TECHNOLOGY. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT TECHNOLOGY IS. I HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH RESEARCH ON IT, BUT IT COULD, UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE NOW, AND IT IS BEING UTILIZED. IT'S NOT UTILIZED VERY EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST, ARE NOT AWARE OF IT. SO IF YOU MAKE 'EM AWARE OF IT, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME IMPLEMENTATION FOR SHORTER TERM SOLUTIONS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE AT ALL POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. MEMBER SHEMEL, UH, I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. MAINLY FOR MR. MAGNAR. UH, IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE 26, THAT WAS THE WASTEWATER UH, RATE. YEAH. SO THIS RATE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE PAY WHATEVER WE DISCHARGE. SO WITH THIS RATE INCREASE, WE ARE GONNA SEE NET INCREASE OF OUR COST. WE'RE NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WATER, MAYBE WE'RE NOT TAKING ALL THE WATER THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR, BUT THE WASTEWATER IS LIKE WHATEVER WE'RE DISCHARGING, WE'RE PAYING Y YEAH. OUR, OUR CURRENT ESTIMATE IS YEAR OVER YEAR THAT THIS 13% INCREASE, AND THEN THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, SECONDARY INCREASE ON THE, UM, ON THE, UH, OTHER BASIN, UM, WILL COST THE CITY APPROXIMATELY $7 MILLION A YEAR OVER YEAR. YEAH. FOR IF WE TREAT, IF WE, IF WE DISCHARGE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WASTEWATER, THAT INCREASE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $7 MILLION MORE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, SO REGARDLESS THE WATER, WE MIGHT BE NOT GET SEEING THAT MUCH, THAT MUCH INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING AS MUCH WATER AS WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WASTEWATER, WE ARE NOT GONNA SEE ANY SAVINGS THERE. IT'S GONNA BE , THERE'S NO MINIMUM MANUAL TAKE. YEAH. I GUESS FOR, THERE'S NO MINIMUM MANUAL TAKE EQUIVALENT IN THE WASTEWATER IN THE WATER. RIGHT. IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S GOOD. I MEAN, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FOR OUR BUDGETING PURPOSE. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, MAYOR HAS MENTIONED ABOUT THAT THE WATER USAGE THAT WE'RE NOT MUCH EFFICIENT PROBABLY AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD BE. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE USING THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING STANDARD THAT WE HAVE. SO THAT MEANS ALL THE FAUCETS, ALL THE TOILETS, THOSE ARE LIKE NEW. SO IF NEW STANDARD, SO IT DOES NOT REQUIRE AS MUCH AS WATER THAT USED TO TAKE, SO SOMEONE HAD 20 YEARS AGO, SOME TOILET, IF YOU FLASH, IT'S GONNA TAKE PROBABLY MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH WATER THAT SOMEONE IS PUTTING TODAY. SO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, I THINK WE ARE, MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE VERY EFFICIENT, UH, AS MUCH AS LIKE THE OTHER CITIES. BUT THE OLD ONE IS BECAUSE WE ARE PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT CITY. SO IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT, THAT EVERYONE CHANGE THEIR TOILET, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAY THEY, THEY'LL SAVE LOTS OF WATER MAYBE ONE AT A TIME. AND EACH FLASH, BELIEVE ME, IT IT, [02:20:01] YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON CAN FLUSH LIKE THREE TIMES OR TWO TIMES A DAY. SO IT, IT CAN SAY 50% RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE CAN DO. THAT'S JUST ONE THING, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. BUT WHAT CITI CAN DO, PROBABLY THEN THAT THE FIRE HYDRANT FLUSHING, IT IS A DEAD END IF WE HAVE A PRACTICE LIKE LOOP SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FLAG THE FIRE HYDRANT. SO THOSE KIND OF PRACTICE SOMETHING THAT, AND I DON'T THINK THE DISTRICT CAN TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE FROM US TO TELL US WHAT TO DO. NOBODY LIKES TO HEAR WHAT TO DO FROM OTHERS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS THING. LOTS OF SMALLER THING OURSELF. UH, BUT IS THERE, MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT IT IS, UH, DISTRICT HAS ANY PLAN OR IS DISTRICT DOING ANYTHING TO, UH, GIVE ANY KIND OF INCENTIVE TO REDUCE WATER USAGE? BUT I KNOW THAT YOU ARE SWEATING BECAUSE OF THAT DEMAND. YOU WOULD BE RELAXING IF, IF YOU CAN REDUCE THE DEMAND. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CITY COULD GET INCENTIVE? WE DON'T, UH, CURRENTLY MAKE USE OF MONIES THAT ARE COLLECTED THROUGH OUR, UM, RATES WITH OUR CITIES ACROSS THE REGION TO HAVE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE'VE DONE HISTORICALLY. UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND. UM, WE WOULD NEED TO KIND OF JUST LOOK THROUGH THE, THE DETAILS OF IT. WE DO HAVE A FEW PILOT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE EMPLOYING TO TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SAVINGS THERE. UH, SO ALEX TALKED ABOUT THE IRIS, UM, LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION AUDITS THAT ARE ONGOING. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE DOING. UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THE KIND OF INDIVIDUAL INCENTIVE TYPE PROGRAMS THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH ACROSS THE REGION ARE ADMINISTERED BY INDIVIDUAL CITIES. THAT'S GREAT. ONE LAST QUESTION, SUGGESTION. YOU KNOW, TO ME, WE ARE PAYING FOR, I'M THROWING A NUMBER 1 BILLION GALLON WATER. WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT, BUT WE ARE NOT USING THAT. WE ARE USING PROBABLY 900 MILLION NOW AS A BUSINESSMAN, MY, SOMETHING IN MY MIND TELLING, TELLING ME THAT, YOU KNOW, USE THAT EXTRA WATER SOMEWHERE SO THAT WE CAN GET THE REVENUE THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING THAT THING OUTSIDE. UH, BUT WE ARE AS A GOOD OIL AT, YOU KNOW, GOOD, GOOD GESTURE THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SIGN SOMETHING BEFORE THAT WE ARE GONNA CONSERV CONSERVE WATER. SO WE ARE TRYING TO CONSERVE. SO I'D RATHER HAVE OUR, WE USE THAT WATER SOMEWHERE TO MAKE THAT MONEY, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE FOR THAT. OKAY. UH, BECAUSE YOU ARE PAYING SOMETHING, UH, THEN IT SHOULD BE GETTING SOMETHING BACK FROM THE DISTRICT. UH, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY FAIR STATEMENT I MADE, UH, BECAUSE THE SAME STATEMENT I HAD IN THE PAST THAT OKAY, IF YOU ARE DIS DISPOSING VERY CONCENTRATED WASTEWATER, OTHER CITIES NOT GONNA PAY FOR YOUR WASTEWATER. IF YOU ARE DISPOSING THAT, I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT, THAT THING, OKAY, IF IT IS OUR WASTEWATER THAT'S UN DISPROPORTIONATELY MORE CONCENTRATED THAN OTHER DISTRICT, WE'LL BE PAYING FOR IT AND WE'RE GONNA PAY, WE WILL PAY AND WE ARE PAYING. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE'RE NOT USING SOMETHING, I THINK WE SHOULD BE GETTING SOME CREDIT. THINK ABOUT IT. YEAH. AND I, I AM SLOW IN, IN MY THINKING PROCESS, I GUESS THERE IS ONE PARTICULAR PROGRAM THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR SOME NUMBER OF YEARS WITH REGARD TO VARIABLE RATE REBATES. UH, SO ON A ANNUAL, UH, BASIS, WE, AT THE END OF A WATER YEAR, WE LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE CONSUMPTION OF, UH, EACH OF OUR, UH, MEMBERS AND CUSTOMERS WAS COMPARED TO THEIR ANNUAL MINIMUMS FOR THAT YEAR. AND THEN, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNDER ON THAT CONSUMPTION, UH, WHEN WE HAVE VARIABLE COST SAVINGS, UH, THOSE ARE PROPORTIONED OUT ON A PROPORTIONAL BASIS TO THE ENTITIES THAT ARE UNDER. SO, UM, I, I WAS THINKING MORE IN TERMS OF LIKE, UH, REPLACING TOILETS AND, UM, REPLACING IRRIGATION CONTROLLERS, THAT SORT OF THING, PROGRAM WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. BUT WE DO HAVE THE VARIABLE RATE, UH, REBATE PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THOSE VARIABLE COSTS FOR ELECTRICITY, FOR, UH, CHEMICALS, FOR, UH, RAW WATER PURCHASES THAT WEREN'T NEEDED TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES, THOSE VARIABLE COSTS BACK TO THEM. SO, UH, THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY AND AND THAT'S BEEN EFFECTIVE OVER THE YEARS THAT HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIMINISH. I MEAN, IF WE, IF THE FIVE YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE DOES WHAT WE HOPE IT DOES THERE, THERE REALLY WON'T BE A GAP ANYMORE BETWEEN WHAT WE PAY FOR. AND, UH, BUT JENNA, IF I, IF I COULD JUST MAYOR, I, I JUST WANNA SAY, [02:25:01] I THINK THE UNDERLYING, UM, THEME THAT YOU HEAR IN A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO AN INVESTMENT IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE ROI ASSESSMENT ON IF THE, IF THE DISTRICT DID INCENT, UM, WHAT COULD BE AVOIDED IN TERMS OF CAPITAL COST, RIGHT? IS IT, IS IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS TO INCENT BOTH SMALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, THE, THE, THE POWER USERS, YOU KNOW, THE MANUFACTURING AND I'M TALKING ABOUT WATER AND WASTEWATER. IS THERE A LEGITIMATE ROI THAT YOU COULD MAKE A CASE FOR THAT INCENTIVES ARE MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN INVESTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE? AND I THINK THAT'S THE UNDER UNDERLYING QUESTION. THAT'S THE UNDERLYING THEME IN A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, UM, THAT, THAT WE'VE ASKED, UM, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT AND, AND OTHERWISE, AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FROM THE RICHARDSON STANDPOINT, I THINK THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO, YOU KNOW, PAY $7 MILLION YEAR OVER YEAR TO TREAT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF WASTEWATER AND PROVIDE INCENTIVES. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S INCONGRUENT. THAT'S NEVER GONNA BE POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, ADD ON TO JUST THE COST OF THE WHOLESALE WATER AND THE, UH, TREATMENT OF THE WASTEWATER. WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF MILES OF PIPES THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO EXPLORING IN A MORE PRODUCTIVE WAY. BUT INSTEAD OF JUST BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE TO MEET THAT DEMAND, WHAT COULD BE DONE TO SLOW THAT DEMAND? AND IF THE DISTRICT COULD BE A FINANCIAL PARTNER IN THAT, RATHER THAN JUST LOOKING TO THE MEMBER CITIES, WOULD THAT BE A BETTER ROI AND WOULD THAT BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WOULD IT SAVE VALUABLE WATER? YEAH. UH, I ACTUALLY HAD ROI AND, UH, AS MY NEXT QUESTION, SO I'M GLAD HE ASKED IT. UM, DO, DO WE WANNA HOLD ON THAT QUESTION? UH, I ASSUME THAT WAS A, THAT'S A MEATY QUESTION THAT PROBABLY HAS A TOO LONG AN ANSWER OR WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE? BECAUSE I'D LOVE IF YOU HAVE A IMMEDIATE REACTION TO THIS STATEMENT. IT'S DEFINITELY A QUESTION I'VE GOT TOP OF MIND AS WELL, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A, A RESPONSE. HOWEVER, IF YOU'VE GOT THOUGHTS AROUND IT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE NOTES AND, UH, FURTHER CONTEMPLATE WHAT ALL THAT MEANS. I, I THINK, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL AVOID RESTATING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE QUESTION IS, IS IF WE CAN CONSERVE, IS IT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN YOU BUILDING MORE WATER SOURCE? AND, AND, AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW MU WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A BETTER INVESTMENT FOR YOU TO UNLEASH A HUNDRED GRAND, 200 GRAND, A MILLION, 2 MILLION TOWARDS INCENTIVES THAT ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE SAVE WATER? UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE IRRIGATION PROGRAM. I HEARD A COUPLE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT I'M NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE THINK MAYBE IT'LL SAVE US 9 MILLION GALLONS IN A YEAR. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT PEOPLE CAN SAVE IN A YEAR BECAUSE IT'S THE BUSINESS I'M IN THAT'S NOT A TON OF GALLONS SAVED. AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF WE ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZED CORPORATIONS IN RICHARDSON ALONE, WE COULD SAVE 10 XA HUNDRED X THAT NUMBER JUST BY INCENTIVIZING 'EM. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PAYBACK FOR THE DISTRICT THAT MAKES IT MAKE SENSE? UM, SO THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY IS THE QUESTION THAT, AGAIN, MAYBE TAKE IT WITH YOU AND, AND, AND BRING IT BACK AT SOME FUTURE TIME. UM, TO THE POINT OF COUNCIL MEMBER SHAUL, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT YES, WE HAVE NEW BUILDING STANDARDS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, UM, BUT THE WATER, THE WATER LOSS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT, ONE OR TWO LEAKS WOULD OVERWHELM WHAT, WHAT WE ARE GONNA SAVE IN A WHOLE YEAR WITH THIS IRRIGATION PROGRAM. MAYBE JUST ONE LEAK. UM, SO IT'S, THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES, UM, UH, LOOKING AT AND IF WE COULD INCENTIVIZE THINGS LIKE ZERO, ESCAPING ON PEOPLE'S YARDS, REPLACING REGULAR YARDS WITH ZEROSCAPE YARDS, WHICH THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. IF WE DID THAT, THOSE PEOPLE COULD SAVE US A WHOLE LOT OF WATER AND THEREFORE THE DISTRICT A WHOLE LOT OF WATER. UM, I, SO I'LL STOP WITH THE CONSERVATION THING. I'VE GOT TWO LAST QUESTIONS. UM, THE FIRST ONE, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ALL ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ON A REGULAR BASIS BEING TOLD THAT THEY'RE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH MONEY ON WATER, UH, OUR RESIDENTS AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ARE TOO HIGH, ARE ABOUT TO GET HIGHER. UM, AND IN PRETTY MUCH EVERY CATEGORY, THEY'RE ABOUT TO DOUBLE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FROM WHAT IS ALREADY TOO HIGH. SO I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT, AND, AND AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW, THAT'S FINE. UH, BUT GETTING IT BACK TO, UH, MR. MAGNER WOULD BE AMAZING, WHICH IS WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING TO KIND OF HELP [02:30:02] THEIR SENIORS AND THE PEOPLE WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD THAT MAJOR WATER INCREASE OVER AND OVER AGAIN? UM, LET'S SAY YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT'S BEING REALLY CONSERVATIVE WITH THE WAY THEY USE THEIR WATER. WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? AND, AND WHAT COMES TO MIND IS STUFF LIKE TIERED RATES, BUT I'D BE CURIOUS, UM, IF THERE ARE BEST PRACTICES OF WHAT CITIES ARE DOING TO REALLY HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATER CONSCIOUS BUT STILL ARE GETTING HIT PRETTY HARD WITH, UM, WITH THE WATER RATE CHANGES. YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT OFF, AND THAT'S FINE. THE LAST THING I WANNA ASK ABOUT, AND YOU WON'T HAVE THIS ANSWER RIGHT OFF EITHER, BUT I'M, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IT. UM, I LOVE SIGNATURE PROJECTS. I THINK JOHN BUNKER SANDS IS AN AMAZING ONE, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE ROI OR PAYBACK WITH AN INVESTMENT LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS, BUT I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT WE INVESTED TO MAKE JOHN, UH, BUNKER SANDS HAPPEN. AND THEN I'D LOVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE COST OF WATER THAT'S BEING PURIFIED OR CLEANED BY WAY OF THAT WETLAND PROCESS. UM, ULTIMATELY WHAT I'M GETTING AT, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT AS SEXY AS ANOTHER RESERVOIR, UH, BUT DO THESE WETLANDS MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY OR DO THEY JUST MAKE US FEEL GOOD THAT WE PUT 2000 ACRES INTO SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY PRETTY AND COOL TO VISIT, BUT NOT REALLY ECONOMICALLY VIABLE? DO YOU ALREADY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER. I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THAT STUFF IN THE PAST, AND I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY MIND, BUT I DO KNOW WITH CERTAINTY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UNIT COST OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AND WATER REUSE AND THE COST PER THOUSAND, UH, COMPARED TO IF WE WERE HAVING TO GO GET ADDITIONAL FRESH WATER FROM SOMEWHERE FAR AWAY, IT IS A FRACTION OF THE COST. SO IT IS QUITE COST EFFECTIVE COMPARED TO OTHER ALTERNATIVES FROM A WATER SUPPLY STANDPOINT. WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE LIMITED BY, UH, HOW WE STILL HAVE TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL FRESH WATER, UH, TO HAVE, TO MAKE USE OF FOR WATER REUSE PURPOSES. AND SO THERE'S LIMITS TO HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIMES THROUGH WE CAN RECYCLE. UM, BUT MAKING THE BEST USE OF WATER REUSE AND WATER RECYCLING IS ABSOLUTELY COST EFFECTIVE. AND, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, AGAIN, PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE, UNLESS YOU HAVE THIS ONE ALSO AT THE TOP, BUT I, I LIKE THAT ANSWER. IT'S GOOD, GOOD ANSWER. UM, I'M, I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT HOW FAST WE WERE ABLE TO PAY BACK THE INVESTMENT WE MADE ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO IF IT'S COST EFFECTIVE RELATIVE TO WHAT WE PAY FOR OTHER WATER PURIFICATION PROCESSES, THEN I'M CURIOUS, IS THAT A FIVE YEAR PAYBACK? IS THAT A 10 YEAR PAYBACK? IS IT A HUNDRED YEAR PAYBACK? I JUST WOULD LOVE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND IT SO THAT, UM, MAYBE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES EVEN FOR US AS A CITY TO LOOK AT, UH, PLACES WHERE WE CAN DO DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS THAT HAVE A PAYBACK AND, AND MAKE SOME SENSE. SO I JUST, MORE THAN ANYTHING CURIOUS AND YOU CAN COME BACK TO ME WITH IT UNLESS YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE PAYBACK WAS FOR THE OVERALL. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, COMMISSIONER BERT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. UM, PLEASE RECOGNIZE THAT THE INTENSITY THAT YOU'RE HEARING HERE IS THE INTENSITY WE HOPE YOU'RE GONNA BE BRINGING TO YOUR SERVICE, AND THAT, UH, WE DESPERATELY NEED, UH, AS AGGRESSIVE ADVOCATES AS POSSIBLE, UH, IN YOUR CHAIR, THIS, THIS HAPPENING ONCE EVERY COUPLE, COUPLE TIMES A YEAR IS, IS NOT ENOUGH. AND, AND SO WE GOTTA HAVE YOU KIND OF CHANNELING ALL THIS ENERGY AND, AND HOPEFULLY ADVOCATING ON OUR BEHALF. AND WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE FACT THAT I KNOW YOU WERE HIRED FOR THIS POSITION BECAUSE WE, WE BELIEVE YOU CAN DO THAT. I SEE YOUR LIGHTS ON, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL ON YOU IF YOU'VE GOT A, A STATEMENT TONIGHT. YES, UNDERSTOOD. AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, COMPETENCE, UH, IN HIRING ME . PERFECT. WONDERFUL. WELL, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I KNOW WE, UM, TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND WE DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE WATER DISTRICT'S TIME. UM, ARE WE OKAY GOING ON TO THE NEXT, NEXT [6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CITY HALL PUBLIC ART] ITEM? ALRIGHT, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX IS TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CITY HALL PUBLIC ART, MR. MAGNER. GREAT, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TONIGHT TO HAVE MARK, UH, FORS, UH, WITH US. UH, JUST PRIOR, UH, TO, UH, LATE APRIL, UH, WE BROUGHT TO YOU, UM, A REPORT, UM, REGARDING SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR, UH, THE CITY HALL, UH, AND MUNICIPAL CAMPUS, UH, PUBLIC ART. UM, YOU PROVIDED SOME VERY VALUABLE FEEDBACK THAT NIGHT. AND MARK, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, BEING OPEN TO THAT FEEDBACK AND, UH, COMING BACK AND GIVING SOME GOOD THOUGHT TO HOW YOU MIGHT INCORPORATE THAT. AND, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TONIGHT IS LET MARK PRESENT EXACTLY THAT. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE BRIEFING IS, IS THERE, IF THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT, UH, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. NEXT, WE WOULD, UH, FINALIZE OUR AGREEMENT WITH MARK AND WE WOULD, UH, GET TO THE IMPORTANT BUSINESS OF, UH, UH, THE FINAL [02:35:01] DESIGN AND ENGINEERING WORK AND SO FORTH TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY ON TRACK, UH, FOR, UH, THE ART BEING IN PLACE WHEN CITY HALL OPENS UP, UH, EARLY, UH, FIRST QUARTER, UH, 2027. SO MARK, AGAIN, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, UH, ON THIS PRESENTATION AND, UH, THE CONCEPT AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEFING. PERFECT. UM, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT, UH, TO TRY TO PRESENT THE PROJECT AND GET YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO THE DESIGN, UH, PROCESS ITSELF. UM, POST JUST A SIMPLE REMINDER, THE SITE, YOU KNOW IT MUCH BETTER THAN I DO. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, OBVIOUSLY THE LIBRARY. WE HAVE THE PREVIOUS, UH, CTO AND WHAT HAS BECOME NOW THE KEYSTONE OF THAT SITE, UH, WHICH IS THAT FONT, UM, UH, PRESENT, WHICH BRING US TO THE, THE FIRST APPROACH WE ARE DOING ON THE SITE, WHICH IS SOMEHOW, UM, THE KIND OF MASSING THE COMPOSITION. AND THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE LIBRARY ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT, UH, THE NEW CTO. BUT THERE IS ALSO A VERY CLEAR REASON ON THE SITE BETWEEN WHAT ARE LOANS, THE FRONT END, ANOTHER LOAN, WHAT IS RIGHT NOW THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, AN ARTWORK AND ANOTHER LOAN AGAIN. AND WHAT WE THINK IS A STRONG RELATIONSHIP IS INHERITING SOME OF THAT KEYSTONE FONTANE FEATURE, WHICH IS PROBABLY IS, UH, CIRCLE FOOTPRINT. UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE JUST AS A REMINDER, ONE OF THE PERSPECTIVE LOOKING, UH, TO THE NEW CTO, LOOKING TO THE, WHAT I'M SURE YOU ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, WHICH IS A NEW, UH, CITY, UH, CONCEAL, UH, CHAMBER, UH, PART. AND WHAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO WHAT, TO DO WHAT WE CALL A PLACEMAKING. AND PLACEMAKING FOR US DOES TWO THINGS, VERY CRITICAL. ONE IS, UH, SIGNAL AN IDENTITY. YOU WANT TO REALLY CREATE AN IDENTITY FOR THE SITE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT IS TO CREATE AN EXPERIENCE, AN EXPERIENCE FOR THE USERS. THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO CREATE THERE IS JUST DECORATION. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING PRETTY. WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED AND ENJOYED BY THE COMMUNITY. SO AS A KIND OF CONCEPTUAL PRECEDENT, WE LOOKED INTO, UH, THE CAROUSEL. WHY IS THE CAROUSEL? BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN ICON. IT'S AN ICON THAT IS AROUND LIKE THE FONTAIN. THERE IS A, A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING EVERYBODY HAS MEMORIES WITH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HOSTS FUNCTION AND THROUGH A CANOPY FOR SOME EXTENT. SO WE STARTED FROM THAT, SOME SORT OF ROID, UH, LIKE THE FONTAIN FOOTPRINT. WE PLAYED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF EXCITEMENT IN THE CENTER. AND THAT GAVE US THAT VERY FIRST SCHEME YOU GOT PRESENTED TO, UH, LAST TIME, WHICH HAS A SIGNAL ON THE TOP THAT KIND OF VERY EMBLEMATIC CANOPY AND HOPEFULLY HOST ALL SORTS OF PROGRAM, UH, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM. YOU CAN SEE IT INTO HIS AXIS, UH, FROM THE NEW, UH, CHAMBER, THE FRONT END AND INHERITING THE SAME FOOTPRINT AND THE FRONT END ITSELF. HERE, YOU CAN WRITE INTO THE AXI ITSELF, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE IS, IS A SPACE, IS A SPACE WHERE WE CAN HOST ALL SORTS OF INFORMAL PROGRAM. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WAIT FOR YOUR PARENTS TO PICK YOU UP FROM THE LIBRARY, YOU'RE JUST THERE TO READ A BOOK, YOU'RE THERE TO JUST HAVE A LUNCH BREAK. YOU'RE THERE TO JUST HAVE A SMALL LITTLE AND FORMAL CLASS IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY AND NO ONE, THE AIM BEING, WE KNOW THE CLIMATE IS EXTREMELY HOT TODAY IS QUITE A REMINDER OF IT. SO SHADOW IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, UH, AS A FUNCTION, BUT AS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE THAT KIND OF, UH, MOMENT IN FRONT OF THOSE VERY, THOSE VERY MEMORABLE MOMENT IN FRONT OF THOSE, UH, CAROUSEL, UH, HERE IS A PREVIOUS WORK OF US ALL SORT OF THINGS. BUT I LIKE TO TELL THE STORY OF THAT ONE. THE DAY WE ACTUALLY REMOVED THE FENCE AROUND THE WORK. WE HAD A BUNCH OF KIDS WHO RAN TO IT. WE KIND OF EXPECTED IT. KIDS HAVE NO PRECONCEPTION, THEY JUST WANT TO ENJOY PLAY INTO IT. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WE DIDN'T EXPECT WAS THE PARENTS WHO RAN BEHIND THE KIDS, THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT AT ALL, IT'S SO THIN, IT'S SO STRANGE. AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THE PARENTS STARTED TO PLAY WITH THE KID. THEY STARTED TO HAVE A GOOD MOMENT. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? IF IT'S A SATURDAY AFTERNOON, FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU GO TO DINNER IN THE EVENING, YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT EXPERIENCE, YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ABOUT THAT MOMENT. AND THERE IS A LOOP THAT START TO HAPPEN. THOSE FRIENDS, THOSE FAMILY YOU SHARE THAT EXPERIENCE WILL WANT TO COME AND EXPERIENCE THAT ARTWORK AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHERE SUDDENLY YOU GO FROM, UH, PLACE MAKING TO CULTURE MAKING. AND I [02:40:01] THINK THAT'S FOR US IS CRITICAL. IT'S NOT JUST A BEAUTIFUL OBJECT, IT'S REALLY A SPACE WE WANT TO BECOME USED. SO HERE IS ALL ABOUT TRYING TO BUILD MEMORIES. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF A CTO, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTS OF DEMANDS, ALL SORTS OF WEDDING PICTURE YOU CAN EXPECT. SO THAT'S MAYBE THE PICTURE THAT WILL COME BACK WITH IT, UH, FROM THAT VISIT. UH, BUT ALSO WE KNOW THERE IS ALL SORTS OF OTHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS, SMALL CONCERTS, SMALL MOVIES, ET CETERA. AND WHILE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BECOME A A STAGE PER SE, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BECOME A A CONSERV. WE WANT TO BE USED AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE SOME SORT OF INFORMAL, UM, UH, PROGRAMS. AND HERE AGAIN, THAT'S A MEMORY YOU BRING WITH YOU. THAT'S A MEMORY YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH THE OTHER FRIENDS FAMILY, AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL COME TO EXPERIENCE SOME OF THOSE, UH, THINGS. BUT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN LAST TIME, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE CAME, THAT CAME TODAY TO PRESENT. AND WE KIND OF EVOLVED THAT KIND OF CONCEPTUAL CAROUSEL, UM, STARTING POINT TO, UH, A MUSIC, UH, KIOSK, WHICH IS ANOTHER FEATURE, UH, THAT HAVE OFTEN INTO PARKS, ET CETERA. SO WHAT WE DID, WE WENT BACK TO OUR, UH, INITIAL ID, AND WHILE WE ARE STILL IN VERY AROUND IT FORM, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CREATE EXCITEMENT, SIGNAL AND IDENTITY THROUGH SHAPE. WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE PUSHED THE COLON TOWARDS THE EDGE OF IT TO LIBERATE SPACE FROM PROGRAM AND HOPEFUL, FULLY TRANSPARENCY. SO HERE YOU CAN SEE ONE OF, UH, THE SCHEME WE'VE BEEN, UH, DEVELOPING WHERE WE KEEP THE EXCITEMENT, WE KEEP THE SIGNAL, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING THE COLONS TOWARDS THE PERIPHERY IN ORDER TO HAVE MUCH MORE TRANSPARENCY. UH, WHY, BECAUSE WE WANT TO LIBERATE ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS WITH THE VIEW FROM, UM, THE CHAMBER TO THE LIBRARY. WE'VE ALSO RAISED THE HEIGHT BY FOUR FEET OF THE CANOPY SO THAT WE CAN AGAIN, HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY, UH, FROM IT. HERE YOU CAN SEE IT WITH DELIBERATELY REMOVED THE FRONT END JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH, UH, TOWARD THE PROJECT, UM, PART AND THE VIEW FROM, UM, THE FEATURE, UM, CHAMBERS, UH, TOWARD THE LIBRARY. SO YOU HAVE THAT VIEW, YOU HAVE THE VIEW OF THE PROJECT, YOU HAVE YOUR VIEW THROUGH THE PROJECT, YOU HAVE YOUR VIEW OF THE FRONT END AND THE LIBRARY. BUT ALSO BY DOING THAT, IT DOES ALLOW US TO HAVE A MORE FUNCTIONAL SPACE UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY ITSELF. YOU CAN SEE STILL THE TYPE OF WHAT WE WANT IS NOT ONLY PEOPLE TO BE CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORK AND COME USE IT, WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE TO COME BACK. AND THAT IS VERY CRITICAL. SO HOW DO WE COME BACK IS BY EVERY TIME YOU GO, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE SOMETHING DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER. DO YOU HAVE SHADOW? NO SHADOW. DO YOU HAVE STRONG SHADOW IF IT'S LIKE PLANTING THE SUMMER, BUT ALSO THE CANOPY ITSELF IS MADE OUT OF A PUZZLE, PART ELEMENT. SO EVERY TIME YOU COME, THE MORE TIME YOU SPEND, THE MORE YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO STAY. A LITTLE LOCAL MOTIVE, LITTLE MOTIVE OF SHADOWS, ET CETERA, OR JUST FUNCTION, UH, UH, THROUGH IT. AND LAST VIEW WITH THE FRONT END, THE RELATIONSHIP IN A WAY IT'S VERY MUCH AN INVERTED FRONT END. YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF STRUCTURE ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM IS THAT CIRCLE HERE IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OPPOSITE. UM, AND A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE INITIAL SCHEME AND THE VIS SCHEME WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, IN TERM OF TRANSPARENCY, UH, GOING THROUGH, UH, FOR THAT PART. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SOME OF THE QUESTION YOU HAD, UH, ONE WAS ABOUT MAINTENANCE. I THINK WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS A SIMPLE RING, AND I THINK AS A BEST COMPARISON IS YOUR CAR. EVERYBODY HAS A CAR IN TEXAS, SO OFTEN MANY CARS. IF YOU WOULD LEAVE YOUR CAR FIVE YEAR ON THE PARKING OF A SUPERMARKET, WHAT HAPPEN FIRST YOU HAVE DUST WILL JUST COME TO IT, THE DUST WILL CAPTURE THE HUMIDITY. EVENTUALLY THE HUMIDITY WILL DEVELOP ORGANIC MATERIAL AND EVENTUALLY DOWN THE ROAD, FIVE YEARS FROM THERE, YOU WILL HAVE THE ORGANIC MATERIAL THAT ATTACKS THE PAINT. HOW DO YOU AVOID THAT? YOU JUST RINSE YOUR CAR. I'M NOT ASKING WASH, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR WASHING. BUT THE MORE YOU WOULD RIN THE STRUCTURE, THE MORE YOU EXTEND THE DURABILITY OF YOUR PAINT, UH, FOR THAT PART. THAT BEING SAID IS EXACTLY LIKE AN ARCHITECTURAL FACADE. THOSE PARTS ARE ALUMINUM. YOUR ARCHITECTURAL FACADE OFTEN IS ALUMINUM AND IT'S POWDER COATED THAT THE TYPE OF POWDER COATING WE ARE USING. UH, FOR ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD WAS IN REGARDS TO THE COLOR, WE ARE PROPOSING WHITE, WHITE, BECAUSE WHITE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE COLORS THAT ATTRACTS THE LEAST, THE HEAT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. IT'S ALSO ONE [02:45:01] OF THE PIGMENTS THAT RESIST THE MOST TO SUN. YOU WOULD DO IT RED. RED IS THE FIRST PIGMENT THAT ACTUALLY ARE LOSING INTENSITY AND WOULD BECOME VERY QUICKLY PINK. UM, BUT ALSO, AND THAT BRING IT BACK TO, UM, TO A CITY WHITE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CAR IS THE CAR NUMBER ONE SOLD. LIKE I THINK IN 2016 THERE WAS LIKE 38% OF THE CARS SOLD ARE ACTUALLY WHITE. BUT FOR A CITY IT'S OFTEN THE COLOR YOU USE BECAUSE IT'S A COLOR THAT SHOWS THE LEAST WHEN IT'S DIRTY. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT CITY CARS ARE NOT THE MOST WELL, UH, MAINTAINED. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. UH, SNOW AND ICE, UH, EASY RULER STRUCTURE, SIGN AND STAMP BY A LOCAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO THERE IS ACTUALLY, UH, THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE THERE. AND SUMMER HEAT, I LIKE TO BRING IT TO, UH, TO THE CAR ALL THE TIME BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS ONE IS EXACTLY LIKE A CAR. IT'S METAL. YOU WILL TOUCH IT, YOU WILL LEARN THAT IT'S HOT AND YOU WILL REMOVE YOUR HAND, BUT YOU WON'T BURN YOURSELF. THE DIFFERENCE WITH A CAR IS A CAR IS AN ENCLOSED ELEMENT. SO THERE IS AIR INSIDE THAT IS ENCAPSULATED THAT WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE THE HEAT OF IT. THAT AND OPEN STRUCTURES OPEN TO THE WIND. SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE, UH, THE OF HEAT, BUT IT WILL BE HOT. UH, AND WELL, I TRY TO MAKE IT, UH, SHORT AFTER THE LONG PRESENTATION, BUT I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTION. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. DORIAN, THANK YOU. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. I REALLY DO. I, I, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UH, IT'S, IT'S A NICE, IT'S A NICE PIECE. AND, AND, AND I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE OPTION ONE, OPTION TWO, CORRECT. BASICALLY. UH, AND I LOVE THE CAROUSEL, UH, REFERENCE TOO, BY THE WAY. AND THAT'S A NICE CAROUSEL. UH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ACTUALLY IN, IN MOTION. BUT ANYWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UM, THROUGH THE LAST SESSION, I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THE COURTYARD INTO EACH BUILDING, WHICH I THINK YOU ACHIEVE THAT IN THE MUSIC KIOSK, UH, VERSION. UM, AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE, UH, IT'S TALL ENOUGH AND WITH THE CURB THAT YOU CAN SEE THE WATER FEATURE BECAUSE THE WATER FEATURE NOW LOOKS A LITTLE SMALLER AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, FEATURE ITSELF WITHOUT HAVING TO MANEUVER. SO I DO LIKE, I DO LIKE THAT PIECE. I MEAN, I LOVE BOTH PIECES, BUT I THINK, I THINK THE ONE WITH THE COLUMNS IS PROBABLY MORE, OR I DON'T KNOW, JUST A, A BETTER DESIGN, WE'LL CALL IT, FOR WHAT EVERYONE IS WANTING TO ACHIEVE. UM, YOU MENTIONED ON THE MAINTENANCE IS, IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SPRAYED DOWN, LIKE WITH A HOSE OR A POWER WASHER. IT'S NOT POWER WASH, LITERALLY. THE MORE YOU RINSE IT, THE LESS PROBLEM YOU HAVE DOWN THE ROAD. UH, FOR THAT PART, IT'S NOTHING IN, UH, EVERYTHING WE DO IS ALUMINUM, FOR EXAMPLE. SO YOU NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUE OF RUST. YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUE OF STRUCTURE. BUT WE STILL POWDER COAT IT JUST TO PROTECT THE ALUMINUM FROM CORROSION. AND IT JUST RINGS BASICALLY. IT'S NOT ABOUT HEAVY INTENSITY, UH, WATER, IT'S JUST TO CLEAR THE DUST FROM IT. GOT IT. OKAY. AND IT, IT SAYS WHITE, BUT I'M, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS MORE LIKE AN OFFWHITE, JUST OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I, I LIKE THE OFFWHITE, UH, LITTLE BETTER. AND, AND THERE'S SNOW AND ICE. TO YOUR POINT, I THINK YOU MADE THE POINT ON SNOW AND ICE IN SUMMER HEAT. I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. AND, UM, I THINK, UH, IT, THE, THE MATERIAL, IS IT A COMPOSITE OR IS IT A COMBINATION OF STEEL, METAL, ALUMINUM? IS IT REFLECTED ALUMINUM? IT'S ONLY ALUMINUM, LIKE THE CONNECTOR, THE ALUMINUM, THE METAL ITSELF IS ONLY ALUMINUM. THERE IS NO STEEL BASICALLY IN THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. IT'S ONLY MADE OUT OF ALUMINUM EXCEPT IN THE COLUMNS, RIGHT? NO, NOT THE COLUMN. THERE IS NO STEEL IN THE COLON. IT'S ACTUALLY, THE TRICK OF THOSE WORK IS WE HAVE THE STRUCTURE THROUGH THE SURFACE AND THE GEOMETRY OF THE SURFACE IS STRUCTURAL. SO THERE IS NO BEAM, THERE IS NO COLUMN, THERE IS NO WELDING. EVERYTHING IS MECHANICALLY ASSEMBLED AS A PUZZLE, WHICH MAKES THEM QUITE FASCINATING TO, TO STARE AT. UM, UNDERNEATH, YOU ALWAYS DISCOVER MOTIVES OF PARTS, ET CETERA. MM-HMM . IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS, HOW MANY PIECES DOES IT, IS THIS GOING TO COME IN AND, AND PUT TOGETHER ON SITE? JUST, I'M JUST, SO IT'S A PUZZLE. WE ARE GOING TO ASSEMBLE THE PUZZLE ON SITE, USUALLY, YES. YES. USUALLY. OKAY. SO IT'S GONNA BE SIDE BILL. YEAH. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE EXCITING TO WATCH BECAUSE THE RULE OF THAT STRUCTURE IS THAT EACH PART THAT COMPOSED THE PIECE CAN BE CARRIED BY ONE HAND. SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE CRANES OR HEAVY LIFTING EQUIPMENT. IT'S JUST LIKE [02:50:01] A PUZZLE. ONE PART NEXT TO THE NEXT PART, NEXT TO THE OTHER ONE, LITTLE BY LITTLE IS TAKING ITS SHAPE. AND THE SHAPE ITSELF IS THE STRUCTURE BASICALLY WITHOUT WHAT WE CALL A SELF-SUPPORTED STRUCTURE. I SEE. AND WITHOUT ANY STILL STRUCTURE, IT'S, UH, IT'S WHEN PROOF AND OH, YES. AND WE HAVE PEACE IN FLORIDA, WE RESIST TWO HURRICANES, UH, FOR THAT PART. OKAY. THE TRACK IS IN THE CURVATURE. THERE'S NO FLAT ELEMENT THAT ACTUALLY TAKES THE WIND. EVERYTHING IS DOUBLE CURVED. INTERESTING. WHAT'S THE TOTAL HEIGHT? SO THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY 26 FEET. THERE IS ABOUT FOUR FEET OF THAT KIND OF SCALLOP. SO WE ARE AT LIKE FOUR FEET LOWER FOR THAT PART. AS A COMPARISON, THE CHAMBERS, I BELIEVE THE GLASS START, UH, STOP AT 21. THEN THERE IS THREE FEET MORE OF GLASS AT THAT, THE CROWN. MM-HMM . IF YOU WILL. SO YOU'RE AT 24. THIS ONE WILL JUST LIFTED IT BY THREE, FOUR FEET COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS SCHEME IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU MORE TRANSPARENCY. YEAH, I GOT IT. UM, I LIKE THAT. WHAT'S THE DIAMETER APPROXIMATELY? IT'S THE SAME THAN THE FRONT END, AND I BELIEVE THE FRONT END IS 53 FEET DIAMETER. AND I DO LIKE THE IMAGE YOU HAD WHERE IT WAS, UM, ON THE MUSIC KIOSK CALLED SLIDE 26, OR I GUESS IT WAS 26, UH, MAYBE, I'M SORRY, 24. AND HOW THE, WHEN THE LIGHT HITS IT, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THE SUN IS SETTING, UH, THE REFLECTIVENESS ON THE CONCRETE OR THE, UH, OR THE PLAZA ITSELF. AND AT NIGHT WE WON'T HAVE THAT. BUT WILL THERE BE SOME TYPE OF LIGHTING, SOME LED LIGHTING BUILT IN THE STRUCTURE TO WHERE IT'S ILLUMINATED, OR CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT HOW IT WILL BE ILLUMINATED AND IS THAT DUSTED DAWN ILLUMINATION, OR HOW'S THAT ACTUALLY, UH, ELECTRIFIED? SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO, USUALLY WE APPLIED THE STRUCTURE. WE ARE TRYING TO REVERSE WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS DOING DURING THE DAY. DURING THE DAY, IT BASICALLY CASTS SHADOWS, WHEREAS AT NIGHT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID TO SOME MORE RADI EIGHT LIGHTS THROUGH THE OPENINGS. SO WE TYPICALLY JUST APPLY IT FROM THE SLAB ITSELF, WHICH ALLOW TO AVOID TO HAVE ANY KIND OF ELECTRICAL, ANY KIND OF SERVICES ONTO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. OKAY. SO THERE'LL BE LIKE A WELL LIGHT RECESS YES. IN THE CONCRETE, LIKE ONE WELL LIGHT OR MORE THAN ONE, WHICH, I MEAN, ONE PER COLUMN. YES. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PROBABLY BETWEEN THE COLON THEMSELF, YOU WOULD'VE PROBABLY HAVE ONE THERE THAT LIGHT UP THE ARCH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL SAVE MY QUE UH, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, SO THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER SHAUL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND PRESENTING ANOTHER OPTION HERE. UH, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, AT LEAST ON THE SCREEN. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE THIS THING IN PRACTICAL WAY MYSELF. UH, AND, UH, THE, THE HEAT IS A CONCERN, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, NU WITH WHITE POWDER COATED SOMETHING IN IT. WITHOUT THAT IT WOULD BE THOSE METALLIC COLOR IF IT WAS NOT POWDER COATED, NOTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, I WISH THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD SEE THE METAL THAT, HOW THAT'S GONNA FEEL, LIKE, UH, THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I COULD UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK. UM, BECAUSE EVEN IF WE HAVE GATHERING OUT THERE, AND IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC EVENTS, UH, THERE WILL BE LOTS OF SUN AND HEAT. AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT SOME OTHER SHADE ON THE TOP OF THOSE STRUCTURE IS GONNA TOTALLY RUIN THE WHOLE THING. UH, I DON'T THINK THAT IF ANYTHING HAPPENED, NOBODY SHUT SHOULD TOUCH THE, ALL THIS. YEAH. MARK, MARK, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO THAT, COULD YOU SEND A PIECE, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT YOU WORKED ON? OR, I MEAN, IS THERE, WE CAN SEND PICTURE, UH, WE CAN SEND PICTURE OF PREVIOUS PROJECT. NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. I THINK THAT WOULD NO, I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN'S ASKING IS, IS THERE A, IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF THE KIND OF MATERIAL THAT'S GONNA BE USED HERE? THE ALUMINUM WITH THE COATING? IS THERE A, IS THERE A SAMPLE OF THAT THAT YOU COULD, THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE TO THE COUNCIL SO THAT THEY COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT IT, IT WILL RESPOND IN THE HEAT APPROPRIATELY? I THINK IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY JUST [02:55:01] ALUMINUM. I THINK WE ARE OVER RATING. WHAT IT IS IN TERM OF MATERIALITY IS LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO INTO A PAINT SHOP OR SOMETHING AND THEY SHOW YOU OR A CAR SHOP, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY SHOW YOU THE PAINT ONTO A LITTLE SWATCH LIKE THAT, THAT OFTEN IS ALUMINUM AND THE POWDER COAT IS ON THE TOP OF IT. THAT WOULD BE THE MATERIALITY IS THE SAME THAN YOUR ARCHITECTURAL FACADE OR BUILDING WHEN IT'S PAINTED. LET ME, LEMME SUGGEST THIS. I THINK, UM, OFFLINE WE WILL COORDINATE WITH MARK AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED, GET, GET SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY, UH, SIMILAR IF NOT EXACTLY WHAT HE'S PROPOSING. AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO, WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. WELL, WE, WE COULD, I MEAN, HE, IT'S BEEN DONE IN FLORIDA, YOU SAID. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IF, I MEAN, COULD WE NOT CALL CITY TO CITY AND ASK THEM IF THEY HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH, THEY'VE GOT PRETTY HOT HEAT OVER THERE TOO. I MEAN, , AND WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE THEM TOUCH THEIR FOUNTAIN AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT TOO HOT OR WHATEVER MAKES THE MOST SENSE. WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD MENTION THAT WE HAVE A PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE AIRPORT, TEXAS, UH, ONE IN EL PASO, WHICH IS IN THE SUN. UH, SAME, SAME MATERIALITY, UH, FOR IT. I, I DO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN CREATE SOMETHING NATURALLY, BUT SOMETIMES THE FEW THINGS BECOME MORE SPECIAL BECAUSE THOSE THINGS NATURALLY TAKE OUT HEAT, NATURALLY, MAKE THE PLACE COOLER. THOSE ARE SPECIAL THINGS. LIKE, OTHERWISE I CAN'T GIVE ANYTHING, ANY SHAPE, BUT I'M NOT COMPARING YOUR THINGS. THIS IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WONDERFUL. BUT IF THIS PLACE COULD BE NATURALLY COOLER BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN AND THE AIR WOULD BE DIRECTED SUCH A WAY, THOSE KIND OF THING WOULD BE LIKE UNIQUE, UH, HOW THOSE ARE I WAS LOOKING FOR. AND I THINK THOSE MIGHT BE THERE ALREADY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UH, NOW, BUT ALSO THE, THE WHITE COLOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY REFLECTIVE. IF THE SUN COMES, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FACE THIS THING. I'VE BEEN TO PLACE WHERE EVERYTHING IS VERY WHITE. I HAD DIFFICULT TIME WALKING IF MALE KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PLACE. SO, UH, IT, IT'S VERY REFLECTIVE, BUT THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE RAISED IT UP FOUR FEET, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. UH, LOWER WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU WOULD, WE WOULD BE SEEING THIS MORE CLOSER. IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH THE HEAT, WITH THE SUN THAT'S GONNA COME ROTATE FROM THE EAST SIDE AND GO TO THE WASTE IS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS DEPENDING ON THE TIME WHEN YOU GO. SO I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE AFFECTING SOMEONE WHEN THEY'RE THERE. UM, AND NO DOUBT IF I'M TAKING, LOOKING AT PICTURE SOMEONE ELSE TAKES, IT'LL BE GREAT. UH, WHAT I SEE NOW IS GREAT. UH, SO THOSE KIND OF THINGS REALLY, UH, I, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND. BUT RAISING IS DEFINITELY, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH TRANSPARENT, THOSE, THOSE ARE GREAT AND LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF ARTWORK, IF YOU JUST PUT SOMETHING ELSE LATER ON, IT'S GONNA RUIN THE WHOLE THING. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING, NO MATTER WHAT EVENT COMES, NOBODY TOUCHED THAT THING. NOBODY TOUCHED THE, IT, IT STAYS THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. EVEN ALL THE LIGHTING THAT NEED TO BE THERE, I THINK THIS NEED TO BE ALL DONE AND PROPERLY SO WE CAN, WE CAN SEE THAT WITH THE NIGHTTIME, HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK. UH, THOSE KIND OF EXPECTATION IS I THINK THE PUBLIC EXPECTATION, NOT JUST THE COUNCIL EXPECTATION. THEY LIKE TO SEE THAT WHAT'S GONNA BE, UH, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY BEAUTIFUL ARTWORK. UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE. IT'S FAIR CONCERN. WE GET THOSE QUESTION ALL THE TIME. I THINK IT'S LIKE, UH, SAME. MAYBE I SHOULD MENTION, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POWDER CODING WE USE WILL BE, UH, A MA 26 0 4, WHICH IS LIKE THE, THE WARRANTY YOU GET WITH THE TYPE OF FINISHES, ET CETERA. THANK YOU. MAYOR PROAM, HUTCHIN, RADER, I THINK YOUR HAND IS UP. YES, SIR. JUST REAL QUICK. MY CONCERN IS LIKE, COUNCILMAN HAN, I HAVE CONCERNS AS ADULTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE TOUCH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW QUICKLY, OR IF WE GO TOWARDS IT, WE KNOW THERE'S HEAT. MY CONCERN WOULD BE IS I, WE'LL HAVE CHILDREN RUNNING AROUND HERE, AND SO IS IT GOING TO BE AT A TEMPERATURE WHERE A SMALL CHILD, WHEN THEY PUT THEIR HAND ON IT, UM, WOULD THEY BURN THEIR HAND? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WOULD WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN. THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE LIABILITY FACTOR ON THAT. SO I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR AN ANSWER AS TO EXACTLY HOW HOT IT WILL GET. IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I THINK, UM, IN THAT CASE, I SHOULD MENTION THE, THE PROJECT WE HAVE IN EL PASO, TEXAS IS ACTUALLY, UH, A CANOPY AT THE ENTRANCE OF A SWIMMING POOL. SO WE HAVE KIDS GOING THERE EVERY SINGLE [03:00:01] DAY, UH, FOR THAT. AND THE COLONS ARE GOING DOWN TO THE GROUND, SO THEY'RE FULLY ACCESSIBLE, UH, TO THE KIDS. AND THAT PIECE IS FROM, I THINK IT'S 10 YEARS OLD, UH, ALREADY. SO WE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINT, UH, FOR THAT PART. UH, UM, IF, IF I MAY, GREAT, THANK YOU, FIR, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, AND I WAS TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. I, I WATCHED, UH, THIS PRESENTATION FROM HOME PREVIOUSLY, UH, BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T GET AS CLEAR OF YOU, OF, OF THE ARTWORK BEFORE. IS THE CAROUSEL ARTWORK WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY CAME UP WITH THE CAROUSEL? YES. THAT WAS THE INITIAL, THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PIECE OF ART THAT YOU CREATED FOR THIS SPACE? YES, CORRECT. OKAY. UH, UM, THIS MAY BE CONTROVERSIAL, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT IS. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK BOTH PIECES ARE BEAUTIFUL, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WELL SERVED WITH EITHER PIECE. UH, BUT FRANKLY, MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION IS PERHAPS WE'VE DONE TO THE ART WHAT WE SHOULD NEVER DO TO ART, WHICH IS START FINE TUNING WHAT WE THINK, UH, IS THE RIGHT THING. WHEN I SEE THE 24 FOOT PIECE, I SEE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS WAY MORE ICONIC ON EVERY LEVEL, UH, VERSUS KIND OF RELATIVELY, UH, SIMPLE POLES. UH, ON THE BOTTOM PART, I, I RECOGNIZE AND UNDERSTAND THE APPRECIATION OF THE FOUNTAIN AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. BUT, UH, WHEN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CAROUSEL PIECE? YES. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT PIECE, I, I, I ACTUALLY THINK LIKE CHICAGO'S BEING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ICONIC, LIKE AT AT HUMAN LEVEL, YOU'RE SEEING REALLY COOL THINGS VERSUS JUST FOUR POLES THAT TAKE YOU UP TO WHATEVER. AND, UM, I'M A BIG BELIEVER AND SOMETIMES THE FIRST ANSWER IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. UM, AND TO ME, I, I THINK WHAT THE ARTIST CAME UP WITH HERE IS JUST, THIS IS ICONIC. THE OTHER ONE'S GREAT. THIS ONE IS ICONIC, IN MY OPINION, JUST IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN. AND I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW, I'D LOVE FOR IT, . I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, HOW MUCH THE ARTS, UH, UH, COMMISSION HAD HAD WEIGHED IN ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO OR IF THEY'VE EVEN SEEN THE LATEST ONE COMPARED TO THE FIRST ONE. BUT I DO THINK THAT FIRST ONE IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. SO I'LL JUST STOP THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAD ASKED ANY SETS OF QUESTIONS YET. YEAH, AND I WAS GONNA AGREE WITH YOU BETWEEN THE TWO DESIGNS, I AGREE THAT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IS FROM AN ARTISTIC PERSPECTIVE, BETTER. UM, DID IT MEET WHAT THE COUNCIL REALLY WANTED, WHICH WAS TO HAVE THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS THE BUILDINGS TO INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER. DID THIS SORT OF BREAK THAT UP? I THINK THAT, THAT THE REACTION IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE, THE SERIOUS CONCERN. SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS DESIGN IS FAR MORE ARTISTIC AND INTERESTING THAN, UM, SORT OF SOLUTION, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. BUT I, BUT I, I STILL HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN THAT WHILE THIS IS AN ICONIC PIECE, IT, IT, UH, SORT OF INTERFERES AND INTERRUPTS WITH WHAT THE VISION FOR THAT CAMPUS WAS FROM AND FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SO THAT, THAT'S STILL MY CONCERN. YEAH. IS, IS IT AN AMAZING ART PIECE? ABSOLUTELY. IS IT THE RIGHT ART PIECE, THEN IF WE WANT THIS DESIGN FOR THIS SPOT, UM, CONSIDERING THE INTERACTION. SO THOSE ARE MY TWO CONCERNS. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS A MUCH MORE INTERESTING DESIGN THAN THE REDESIGN. UM, BUT I, MY CONCERN LAST TIME WOULD BE THE SAME WITH THIS ORIGINAL PIECE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT THE CAMPUS TO BE ABOUT THIS ART PIECE OR ABOUT THE WHOLE CAMPUS TOGETHER INTERACTING? AND, AND I STRUGGLE TO SEE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WOULDN'T BREAK THAT UP. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MY, MY TWO SENTENCE. NOT HELPFUL AT, BUT NO, THAT'S OKAY. I, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ONE. AND, AND, AND I, UM, I WILL SAY, AND I WAS, YOU KNOW, LIAISON OF THE ARTS COMMISSION AS I KNOW, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN IS, AND, AND IS VERY PROUD OF BEING. UM, BUT I, EVEN AS A FORMER LIAISON, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE VERY MANY ICONIC PIECES IN RICHARDSON. I THINK THIS IS A SPACE WHERE WE COULD DO ONE. UM, AND I THINK AT THE GROUND LEVEL, IF YOU'RE, MAYBE NOT FROM THIS VIEW, BUT MORE THE GROUND VIEW, I THINK THEY DO PLAY TOGETHER WELL. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION. AND AGAIN, I JUST, I WOULD RATHER HAVE A PIECE THAT PEOPLE MARVEL AT AND WANT TO COME AND BE A PART OF VERSUS SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO SEE THROUGH IT MORE EASILY. I, I DON'T KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER DOEN. NO, I'M GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE EXACTLY THAT. ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, I ALSO TOO, UH, CHOSE THIS ONE. I, I THOUGHT THIS WAS ICONIC. IT'S, IT'S UNUSUAL, IT'S DIFFERENT AND WE WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. [03:05:01] I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT PLAYS, HOW, HOW MUCH PLAY THERE IS TO LOOK BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. I'M NOT SURE HOW SUPER IMPORTANT THAT IS WITH THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE. I THINK THIS WAS ALSO ORIGINALLY WHAT THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, UH, CAME UP OR AGREED TO SUBMIT. I, AND I, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL, UH, PER, UH, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE, THE COUNCIL DID ASK POTENTIALLY TO LOOK THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS AND FOUNTAIN. BUT AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, I JUST REALLY LIKE THIS PIECE BETTER. YEP. UM, I, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PIECE, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS VERY UNIQUE, UM, INCREDIBLE. UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE PROUD OF. I THINK PEOPLE CAN INTERACT WITH IT, TAKE PICTURES IN IT, IN FRONT OF IT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. UH, IT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE, A HUGE IMPORTANCE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH EACH BUILDING. YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE EACH BUILDING AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE FOUNTAIN. BUT, UM, I JUST, I REALLY LIKE THE PIECE. I LIKE THE COLOR. I LIKE, I LIKE THE MATERIAL. UM, I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. I, YEAH, IT, IT, IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT CITY. IT, IT DOES. AND THE, AND THE SECOND PIECE LOOKS LIKE A REALLY GREAT PIECE FOR RICHARDSON, AN ADAPTATION, BUT IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE NOT THE GREATEST THING. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER . THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THIS, THIS ONE IS DEFINITELY MUCH BETTER IF YOU LOOK AT THE PIECE, BUT SOMETIMES I ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT IF I LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE LOOKS GOOD ON CERTAIN SUIT, I'M NOT GONNA LOOK GOOD. GOOD AS WITH THE SAME SUIT. UH, IT DOES NOT, IT DEPENDS ON THE PLACE, THE WEATHER COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING. UH, IF YOU IGNORE EVERYTHING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARTWORK, YES, I'LL BE LIKE, SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO AND TAKE A PICTURE. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT WORK. EVEN THIS ONE, I THINK THE HIT HIT THINGS PROBABLY IS MUCH BETTER ON THIS ONE. IT'LL BE BETTER BECAUSE HEAT GENERATION, IT'LL DISTRIBUTE THE HEAT DIFFERENT WAY. I SEE. UH, BUT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST TIME. THAT IS, THIS IS REALLY THE PLACE THAT NEED TO BE AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A FOUNTAIN AND ANOTHER ARTWORK. SO IF YOU HAVE TWO ARTWORK PARALLEL AND BETWEEN TWO BUILDING, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO WITH THE NEW PERSON ALSO IS GONNA BLOCK SOME VIEW. UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FROM THE LIBRARY, SECOND FLOOR, THE VIEW. I DON'T WANT SOMEONE JUST PUT A PAPER ON MY FACE BLOCKING MY VIEW. SO THOSE KIND OF CONCERN I HAD LAST TIME, THAT, IS IT GONNA HAPPEN? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AM I GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THIS WHOLE THING FROM SECOND FLOOR, OR IS IT GONNA BE JUST A WHITE, UH, CIRCULAR BOARD ON MY FACE? SO, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO, IS IT REALLY THE RIGHT PLACE OR IT CAN OFFSET THE ARTWORK FROM THAT LOCATION. SHIFTING IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE CAMPUS IS A BIG CAMPUS. IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THAT WHOLE LAWN AREA THAT THAT'S BEING CREATED? I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE MOVE IT THERE INSTEAD OF PUT IT THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? JUST LOOK AT THAT AND RETHINK THAT. IF WE CAN SHIFT IT ANOTHER LOCATION IN THAT CAMPUS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT AREA, THAT WOULD LOOK MUCH BETTER. BUT YES, I DO AGREE THAT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, BETTER ARTWORK THAN HAVE A SIMPLE PIECE. UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AMAZING THAT HAPPENED AND SOMETIMES DOWN THE ROAD SOMEBODY WILL SEE IT AND SAY, NO, WHAT THIS CRAZY PEOPLE THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO OVERDO IT. I, I USUALLY DON'T REACT TO ART THIS WAY, EXACTLY THIS WAY, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S CHICAGO BEING, IT'S, IT'S ICONIC. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE. AND, UH, I LOVE THE IDEA OF LEAVING THIS SPACE. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS REALLY PROUD COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, YOU FOUGHT REALLY HARD FOR THIS, UH, UH, IN THE LAST TERM, BUT LEAVING THAT SPACE TO WHERE IT COULD BE ACTIVATED AS A PEOPLE SPACE AND NOT A PLACE WHERE CARS ARE DRIVING IN THE MIDDLE. UH, AND, AND EVEN THE IMAGE THAT YOU SHARED OF, UH, A PERFORMER IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, AND THEN THE THOUGHT OF ALL THAT GREEN SPACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD SIT AND ENJOY IT, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GONNA GO, GOSH, THIS IS RUINING MY VIEW OF CITY HALL. I THINK THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE ENJOYING A REALLY COOL EVENT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE ANYWHERE IN OUR CITY. UM, CAN I SEE, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I MEAN, CAN WE, DID YOU SEE IF THERE IS ANY OTHER, IF WE CAN SHIFT THAT STRUCTURE AROUND, THAT WOULD BE BETTER LOCATION, OR THIS IS REALLY ABSOLUTE LOCATION THAT'S NEED TO BE THERE? WE TYPICALLY PREFER, AND WE TYPICALLY ADVISE TO ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ACTIVATE IF YOU ARE ALREADY ONTO THE PATH, ONTO THE FLOOR, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING IT, YOU KNOW, TANGENTIAL TO THE FLOW, WHICH WOULD MEAN IT'S ON THE SIDE, IS THAT THINGS YOU, YOU WOULD LOOK THE FIRST TIME, YOU WOULD NOT LOOK THE THIRD TIME ANYMORE. WHEREAS IF IT'S IN ON YOUR PATH BETWEEN BOTH INSTITUTIONS, BETWEEN THE PARKING AND ONE OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WILL HAVE MUCH [03:10:01] MORE CHANCE TO AUGMENT THE WAY PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY USE IT AND ENJOY IT. SO THE ABSOLUTE ANSWER IS THAT, YES, THIS IS REALLY THE PERFECT POINT. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. YOU DON'T WANT, THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION. I MEAN, YOU DESIGN YOUR THING, I'LL GO WITH YOU, I THINK AS AN, AS AN ARCHITECT, BUT THAT'S, I THINK IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S PLAZA AND THE COMPOSITION. I WAS TRYING TO ALLY BEFORE, THERE IS A NICE REASON BETWEEN, UH, LOAN, THE FRONT END LOAN, THAT THEY HAVE A DISCORD, THE TWO MASS ON EACH SIDE. THEY HAVE A DISCORD. THERE IS AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC THERE THAT WILL INCREASE NOT ONLY THE CHANCE TO USE THAT, UH, WORK IN THAT SPACE, BUT ALSO WILL INCREASE THE FRONT END, THE WAY PEOPLE ENJOY THE FRONT END. BECAUSE NOW YOU MIGHT BE SITTING UNDER THE SHADOW THERE AND STARING AGAIN AT THE FRONT END FROM OUTSIDE, NOT JUST FROM THE LIBRARY, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. THANK YOU. YES. YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE GAIN BY KEEPING BUILDINGS BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER UNOBSTRUCTED. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW LIKE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE GAIN FROM THAT AND WITH SORT OF THE BENEFITS TO THE PLAZA THAT WERE JUST DESCRIBED? I MEAN, WHAT DO THOSE BENEFITS MAYBE OUTWEIGH AT ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE BUILDINGS? BEING ABLE TO JUST, UH, I GUESS VISUALLY SPEAK TO EACH OTHER? IT'S NOT MY FORTE AT ALL, SO I JUST DON'T, I REALLY JUST DON'T REALLY, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I, I THINK YOU OR ANYONE WHO IS REALLY, MAYBE ANYONE ELSE ON COUNCILS MAYBE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE BUILDINGS BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER, I DON'T THINK, AND VIEWS THAT AS A GOOD TRADE OFF AS OPPOSED TO NOT HAVING THIS PIECE. I, I, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT CRITICAL. I MEAN, THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE TALL ENOUGH. YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE THE MASSIVENESS OF BOTH THE CITY, NEW CITY HALL AND THE LIBRARY. THIS PIECE IS A GATHERING PIECE, PLUS IT'S ALSO ALIGNED WITH THE FOUNTAIN. I THINK THAT'S GONNA CREATE INTERACTION. IT'S GONNA CREATE SYNERGY IN THE COMMON AREA. IF IT'S RELOCATED OFF TO THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT, THERE'S, I'M AFRAID THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AS MUCH ENGAGEMENT AND IT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL PIECE. I MEAN, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO SAYING THIS IS AN ICONIC PIECE. WE WERE, WE'D BE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE A PIECE LIKE THIS IN RICHARDSON. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ARTWORK GENERALLY LIKE THIS AT ALL. RIGHT. AND I, I DO THINK THE ALIGNMENT, UH, BETWEEN CITY HALL AND THE LIBRARY ACTUALLY IS A PERFECT LOCATION FOR IT. PLUS YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ANCHOR IT PROPERLY AND CREATE LIGHT DISTRIBUTION BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A PLATFORM AND A PLAZA THERE TO SUSTAIN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I'M, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A BETTER PIECE THAN, THAN THE REDESIGN. I'M SORT OF WITH COUNCILMAN SHAEL. I, I THINK THERE'S A LAWN THAT WE COULD MOVE IT JUST SLIGHTLY TO THE SOUTH. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IT COULD GO ON. UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT PLANNING OUR WORK AND WORKING OUR PLAN. AND THE ENTIRE PLAN AND VISION FOR THIS AREA WAS FOR THESE BUILDINGS TO INTERACT AND HAVE AN OPEN PLAZA AND LOTS OF SPACE FOR PEOPLE. UM, THIS IS AN OBSTRUCTION. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT, IT, IT BREAKS UP THAT PLAN. UM, AND SO, SO YOU KNOW THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DO WE WANNA WORK OUR PLAN OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING SORT OF LARGE AND THAT WILL, WHILE ICONIC, WE'LL, WE'LL SORT OF, WE'LL BREAK UP THAT PLAN AND WILL NOT BE WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SAID THAT WE WANTED FOR THIS CAMPUS. SO I LIKE THE ART PIECE VERY MUCH. UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS, THE COUNCIL'S WILL LET IT GO IN THIS SPOT, SO BE IT. THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH. I THINK FOR DECADES PEOPLE WILL WONDER WHY WE DIDN'T KEEP EVERYTHING IN ONE LINE. I, IT JUST FEELS RIPE AS FAR THE PLAN. I'M HAPPY TO READ ANY PLAN THAT CLAIMS THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE DIRECTLY FROM ONE SPOT TO THE OTHER. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO LOOK AT IN, IN ORDER TO ORDER. YEAH. THE ENTIRE THIS DESIGNED, THIS CAMPUS IS, WAS WHAT WE DID IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEE DIRECTLY FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS THROUGH WHATEVER ART PIECE WE PUT THERE INTO THE, I I GET IT. I GET IT. YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR THUMB ON THE SCALE. NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO VERIFY. SO, SO IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PLANNING OF THIS CAMPUS, WHICH YOU JUST COMPLIMENTED, WE VERY MUCH TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO INTERACT. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE PLACE WE ARE TONIGHT. AGAIN, I LIKE THE ART PIECE. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. IT IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE SAID WE WANTED THIS SORT OF FLOW TO BE. AND AGAIN, IF THAT'S THE WILL COUNCIL FIND, I UNDERSTAND YOUR OPINION ON THIS, MAYOR. YEAH. IT, IT, IT IS MY OPINION THAT I THINK WHAT THE ARTIST CAME UP WITH FIRST, WHAT THE ENTIRE ARTS COMMISSION DECIDED WAS THE RIGHT PIECE IS TO ME ALSO THE RIGHT PIECE FOR THIS. BUT I'M JUST ONE VOICE IN IT. UM, I'M HAPPY TO, I THINK YOU, YOU'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME SORT OF FEEDBACK HERE. SURE. SO I THINK THE ONE CONSENSUS DEFINITELY IS, IS [03:15:01] THAT THE ORIGINAL PIECE IS, IS IS THE, IS THE SUPERIOR OPTION. UM, JUST, JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE, WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY CAN EVALUATE OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE CAMPUS, IF THAT'S THE, UM, IF THAT'S THE INTEREST. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAWN IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, WHICH IS THE NEW SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE TO THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, WILL THAT BE SANTA'S VILLAGE ONE DAY? WILL IT BE THE PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS? UH, I MEAN THE PUBLIC SAFETY EXPO ONE DAY, WILL IT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE CHALLENGE KICKOFF ONE DAY. AND SO THAT IS A CONSIDERATION AS WELL. I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CONS FOR SURE THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED. I THINK ON THE, ON THE LAWN, THERE MAY BE CONS AS WELL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, UH, OF THAT LAWN FOR INSTANCE, I THINK THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LIMIT, LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO PROGRAM IT FOR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE SANDS VILLAGE. UM, SO WE, WE, WE, WE ARE AT A CRITICAL JUNCTURE. I MEAN, IF, IF WE, UM, IF WE DON'T ARRIVE AT SOME KIND OF A CONCLUSION SOON, THAT'S FINE. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. WE DON'T WANNA DO IT FAST. HOWEVER, WE JUST NEED TO BE EYES OPEN TO THE FACT THAT THE SCHEDULE WILL SLIDE AND THERE'S THE CHANCE THAT THIS WON'T BE IN PLACE WHEN CITY HALL OPENS. WE'RE HAPPY TO, WE'RE HAPPY TO GO BACK AND EVALUATE POTENTIAL OTHER LOCATIONS IF THAT'S OF INTEREST. AND WE'RE ALSO HAPPY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE MATERIAL WILL BE. UM, I'VE GOT, WE'VE, WE'VE CHATTING, WE, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER IDEAS ABOUT SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT ARE HERE IN THE CITY, PERHAPS EVEN ON PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE COULD USE AS A VERY CLOSE COMPARISON TO THE MATERIAL. UM, MARK, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE NINE, PLEASE? AND I, I WANTED TO BRING UP SLIDE NINE. 'CAUSE AS, AS I WAS LOOKING AT IT, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE RIGHT, OH, SLIDE NINE RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT BREAKS UP SOME OF THE VIEW, BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THAT AND GO, THAT ALL LOOKS LIKE IT'S MEANT TO BE TOGETHER. THAT THAT'S GOOD LOOKING. UM, AND IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE COMMUNICATING ALL THE WAY DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, VISUALLY, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE CIRCLES THAT ARE ALL LEADING TO EACH OTHER. I DON'T KNOW. UM, SO MY, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, UH, WAS THAT ORIGINAL PLAN AND THAT ORIGINAL DESIGN. YEAH. BUT, UM, I I, I, I HAVE TO GRAB, I MEAN, THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE IS BEAUTIFUL. AND YOU CAN STILL SEE THE COUNCIL IN THE BUILDING. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S A, YOU STILL HAVE THE COMMON AREA GREEN SPACE FOR ANY FUNCTIONS. THE OTHER THING TOO IS I DID WANNA MENTION EARLIER, AND I, I MENTIONED THIS IN THE LAST, UH, UH, PRESENTATION IS, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS ARE MADE FROM A TITANIUM MATERIAL AND OTHER TYPES OF METALS THAT YOU CAN TOUCH THAT ARE NOT HOT. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE BUILDING BUILDINGS TODAY, WHETHER THEY'RE ONE, ONE LEVEL OR, OR 15 OR 20 LEVELS THAT THEY HAVE MATERIALS OF METAL THAT YOU CAN TOUCH. I MEAN, THERE'S PART OF THE BUILDING SOURCE, UH, THAT YOU COULD UTILIZE OR INCORPORATE HERE. SO I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, I'M HAPPY TO PULL A SAMPLE. OKAY. I'M SURE I HAVE ONE AT THE OFFICE. BUT TO, TO JUST TO PUT THAT TO BED, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AS HOT AS, AS ANY OF EVERYONE MIGHT THINK IT MIGHT BE. UM, IT'S A, IT'S, THE MATERIAL IS DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND HEAT, UH, BE ABLE TO BE FLEX AND EXPAND AND CONTRACT. AND, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A HUGE PROBLEM. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY FOR YOU TO BRING BACK AND, AND, AND GET YOUR, OR GET YOUR INPUT ON, ON THAT MATERIAL SOURCE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT THE, IT'S TOO HOT TO TOUCH TO BED. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST, JUST, I WAS JUST SAYING. YEAH. I KNOW. SO, SO DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS IN TERMS OF STICKING WITH THIS OR MOVING TO THE OTHER, OR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION TO MOVE THE ART PIECE TO SOME OTHER SPOT? 'CAUSE IF WE CAN GET TO FOUR, I SUPPOSE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, HOW IT LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER LOCATION BEFORE MAKING, OKAY. SO WORSE COME WORSE, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, SURE MY REPORT WOULD VIEW WITH THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, HOW IT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, DECISION WITHOUT THINKING, YOU KNOW, THAT SURE. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE LOCATION LAST TIME. IT WAS LIKE, UNDERSTOOD. AT LEAST I WAS LIKE, SOLD THE IDEA THAT THIS IS THIS CLEAR, BUT WE SHOULD QUESTION EVERYTHING. THAT'S MY OPINION. OKAY. UM, HOW LONG WOULD THAT MAKE THE TIMELINE SLIP MARK WOULD, UH, WOULD, WHAT DO YOU THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, POTENTIALLY ASSESSING OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE CAMPUS? HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED TO KIND OF DO SOME RENDERINGS AND, UM, WELL, WE ARE CLOSED. NEXT WEEK IS THE 4TH OF JULY, AND A BIT OF VACATION TIME, SO, SO WITHIN A MONTH MAYBE? YEAH, MAYBE. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON THAT SIDE, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF TREES. YEAH. THOSE, YEAH. CAN'T GO WHERE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE. IT'S A PRETTY, UM, DEAD AREA TO SOME EXTENT. THERE'S NOT MUCH FLOW OF WALKER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ADDRESS PEOPLE WALKING, YOU [03:20:01] KNOW, JUST TO ADDRESS FROM THAT SIDE. THE OTHER ONE, I'M GUESSING IT'S MORE OR LESS A, A RESERVE. YEAH. UH, FOR THE LAWN. SO IT'S NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ACTUALLY FIND, UM, AN AREA. YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT TREES. YOU DON'T WANT ALSO TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TREES BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, LEAVES AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. LET, LET ME SUM UP. SO, SO LET US GO BACK WITH MARK. UM, I THINK WE CAN BRING YOU BACK SOME CONCEPTUAL RENDERING THAT WOULD GIVE YOU, UH, SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO THIS LOCATION. AND THEN, AND THEN I THINK IF WE CAN RESOLVE, UM, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MATERIAL QUESTION AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE, IT'S SAFE AND IT'S SIMILAR TO OTHER ALUMINUM CO WITH, WITH PROTECTIVE COATING THAT WE'RE USING, UH, IN THE CITY. I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN TRY TO RESOLVE THIS, BUT I THINK THERE'S, LET, LET US GO BACK AND DO THAT HOMEWORK. WE'LL GET IT SCHEDULED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. WE'RE OFF FOR TWO WEEKS ANYWAY, SO, UM, WE COULD PROBABLY BE BACK THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING AFTER THAT, MAYOR. WONDERFUL. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, REVIEW AND DISCUSS TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SHOULD WE TAKE, UH, IF YOU WANNA, MAYOR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO RECESS FOR, LET'S CALL IT 10 MINUTES. IT'S NINE 20, UH, LET'S CALL IT SEVEN MINUTES. NINE TWENTY ONE. WE'LL BE BACK AT 9 28. ARE WE GOOD TO START? ALRIGHT, CALLING THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER AT 9 28. AND, [7. REVIEW AND DISCUSS TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION] UH, AS I SAID BEFORE, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS, IS REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. MR. MAGNER. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, AS WE CONCLUDED THE, UH, LEGISL 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, UH, JUST YESTERDAY, UM, UH, GOVERNOR ABBOTT, UM, UH, DEADLINE HAD, UH, COME FOR HIM TO, UH, TAKE ACTION ON BILLS. AND OF COURSE, TODAY HE ANNOUNCED HIS INTENT TO, UH, CALL LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THIS IS A TIMELY, UH, BRIEFING. WHAT I'VE ASKED GARY TO DO IS TO FOCUS ON THE BILLS THAT, UM, DID PASS AND THAT WILL HAVE VERY SPECIFIC, UH, IMPLICATIONS FOR US LOCALLY HERE. THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS, UH, FOR US TO CONSIDER, NOT ONLY AS WE ENTER INTO THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BUT ALSO AS WE LOOK AT OUR WORK PLAN THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. AS YOU VERY WELL KNOW, UH, BILLS CAN BECOME EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY OR OFTEN BECOME EFFECTIVE ON SEPTEMBER ONE. AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT. UH, SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA BE SURPRISING TO, UH, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH SOME OF, UH, IN, IN THE REALM OF SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, LEGISLATION, UH, THAT IS, THAT HAS BEEN PASSED AND THAT WE'LL BE, UH, WORKING TO COMPLY WITH HERE SHORTLY. SO I WANNA THANK KENT AND GARY. UH, THEY'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB, ALL, ALL, UM, SESSION, UH, TRACKING, UH, THIS, AND, UH, GARY, LEMME TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO GO THROUGH THESE, UH, KEY BRIEF, UH, BILLS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, UH, MINDFUL OF AND START PREPARING TO IMPLEMENT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAGNER. UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT. UM, TO, TO COVER THIS SUBJECT, UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH JUST SOME NUMBERS OUT OF THE SESSION. UH, I BELIEVE WHEN I FIRST SPOKE TO THE, UH, COUNCIL, UM, BEFORE SESSION OR AS, AS WE WERE JUST GETTING STARTED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF BILLS THAT WERE ANTICIPATED OF BEING FILED. UH, WE DID HIT A RECORD NUMBER OF 89, UM, UH, HUNDRED PLUS BILLS, UH, WERE FILED OF THAT NUMBER. WE TRACKED HERE JUST FOR CITY OF RICHARDSON, UM, 2100 BILLS. UM, TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE TRACKED JUST UNDER THAT AT 2076 BILLS. UM, OF THE BILLS THAT WE TRACKED THAT WERE ACTUALLY SENT TO THE GOVERNOR, UH, WERE 302 BILLS. OF THAT THREE HUNDRED AND TWO, A HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE OF THEM WERE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM RELATED. AND, UH, JUST LIKE MR. MAGNER SAID YESTERDAY, UM, EVENING WAS THE DEADLINE FOR THE GOVERNOR TO VETO BILLS. UM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT, UM, GOVERNOR'S OPTIONS ARE THREE THINGS. ONCE A BILL REACH REACHES HIS, UH, DESK, AND THAT IS EITHER VETO IT, SIGN IT INTO LAW, DO NOTHING, AND IT BECOMES LAW ANYWAY. SO, UM, JUST A BIT OF, OF THAT GOVERNOR'S PRIORITIES THIS SESSION WERE PROPERTY, UM, TAX RELIEF, SCHOOL CHOICE TEACHER PAY INCREASES, WATER INVESTMENTS, EXPANDING CAREER AND TECHNOLOGY, UH, TRAINING BILL REFORM, AND THE TEXAS CYBER COMMAND. AND I BELIEVE HE ACCOMPLISHED ALL OF THOSE PRIORITIES IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. GETTING INTO SOME OF THE PIECES OF LEGISLATION, AS MR. MAGNER MENTIONED, THAT WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT US. UM, HB NINE WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE THE TAX CODE, UH, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, TANGIBLE OR BUSINESS, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNED AND UTILIZED FOR INCOME GENERATION BY BUSINESSES. THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF [03:25:01] THIS BILL WAS TO CHANGE THE EXISTING, UH, AMOUNT OF TAXABLE, UM, VALUE FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM 2,500. UH, IT IS NOW GOING TO BE 125,000. UH, ORIGINALLY IN THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD'VE BEEN RETROACTIVE TO JANUARY 1ST, 2025. IT IS NOW GOING TO BE JANUARY 1ST, 2026. UM, THE SPECIFIC ON THIS IS IT FOR HB NINE TO GO INTO EFFECT. IT MUST, UM, BE ACCOMPANIED BY A FAVORABLE VOTE IN THE NOVEMBER 4TH ELECTION ON A, UM, HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION ONE. THAT WILL BE A CHANGE TO THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION AS YOU SEE THERE BELOW. UM, THIS PARTICULAR BILL, HP NINE, WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE, UH, 12TH. AND AGAIN, LIKE I JUST MENTIONED, IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 26TH BASED ON THE CONTINGENCY OF, UH, VOTER APPROVAL ON NOVEMBER 4TH. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, BEFORE GARY GOES ON, I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK NOTE HERE. UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MINDFUL OF THIS BUDGET DEVELOPMENT CYCLE, KNOWING THAT THIS IS LOOMING BUILDING ON, UM, THE SITUATIONS THAT WE DESCRIBED TO YOU LAST WEEK WITH THE TEXAS INSTRUMENTS ABATEMENT AND THE NORTH SIDE PROPERTY ACHIEVING A HUNDRED PERCENT TAX EXEMPTION, LESS THE COMMERCIAL, THE VERY SMALL COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. THIS IS GONNA BE A FACTOR THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR IN ANTICIPATION OF THE, YOU KNOW, REALLY CLIMBING OUT OF A WHOLE IN FOR FY 26. WE'VE GOTTA BE MINDFUL THAT THIS IS LOOMING IN 27. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS THIS SUMMER AS IT RELATES TO SB 9 24. THIS IMPACT ON, UH, REVENUE LOSS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, UM, FOR THIS, FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR. UH, SB 9 24 AMENDS CURRENT LAW AS IT RELATES TO, UM, ENTITIES THAT PROVIDE CABLE SERVICES TO, UM, FOR, UH, VIDEO OR CABLE. AND IT PROHIBITS MUNICIPALITIES FROM CHARGING THAT FROM FRANCHISE, UM, FEE ON THOSE, AND IT WILL COST US UP TO AN ESTIMATED, UM, ALMOST HALF A MILLION AT $450,000. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 20TH. THE EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS SEPTEMBER ONE. ALSO ON THIS SLIDE IS SB 1173, UM, BY SENATOR PERRY. THIS WILL INCREASE THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING THRESHOLD FROM 50,000 TO 100,000. THAT WAS SENT TO THE MAYOR ON, UM, MAY 21ST. IT, UM, HE DID NOT SIGN THAT, BUT IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025. AS IT RELATES TO ADDITIONAL FISCAL MANAGEMENT. UM, SB 10 25 IS, UH, GOING TO REQUIRE ANY VOTE, UH, THAT WILL INCREASE THE TAX, UH, INCREASE TAXES THAT ON THE BALLOT FOR ITSELF MUST SAY THIS IS A TAX INCREASE AND AGAIN, SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON HIS SIGNATURE ON MAY 24TH, 2025, UM, SB FOUR BY SENATOR BETTENCOURT. THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FROM CURRENT $100,000 TO 140,000. UM, THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, UH, VALOREM TAXATION. AND, UM, THAT BILL WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 16TH, 2025, AND IT TAKES EFFECT IMMEDIATELY FOR THE 2025 TAX YEAR. THIS ALSO HAS A JOINT RESOLUTION BILL, UM, ATTACHED TO IT AS IT RELATES TO THAT. SJR UM, TWO WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED BY VOTERS. UH, NOVEMBER 4TH ELECTION FOR, UH, SENATE BILL FOUR TO BE EFFECTIVE, CONTINUING WITH FISCAL MANAGEMENT. UM, HOUSE BILL 30, THIS BILL ACTUALLY, UM, SEEKS TO, UH, ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR CERTAIN TAXING UNITS AS IT RELATES TO DISASTERS. UM, THEY ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THE TAXING, UM, FORMULA, IF YOU WILL, AS IT RELATES TO SPECIAL TAXING UNIT, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE INCORPORATION OF A DISASTER DEBRIS RATE IMPLEMENTATION FOR THIS, AGAIN, IS A NEW DISASTER RATE CALCULATION WILL BE CLARIFIED, UM, AS STATE TRUTH AND TAXATION FORMS ARE, UM, FAR DISASTERS ARE UPDATED. UM, THE GOVERNOR DID SIGN THIS ONE ON MAY 28TH, AND IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE [03:30:01] JANUARY 1ST, 2026. SENATE BILL 1851. IT ESTABLISHES AN ANNUAL FINANCIAL AUDIT, UM, CANNOT BE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS LATE, OR A CITY CANNOT SET PROPERTY, UM, TAX RATES HIGHER THAN ITS NO NEW, UH, REVENUE TAX RATE THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON MAY 24TH. AND, UM, EFFECTIVE DATE OF SEPTEMBER 20, UH, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025. GARY, LET ME JUST TAKE TWO SECONDS ON THIS. UH, THIS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT, UH, BILL. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CONTROL WHAT WE CONTROL. UM, INTERNALLY WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, KENT'S ALREADY REACHING OUT TO, UH, TO CROW, WHO IS OUR CURRENT AUDIT, UH, UM, UH, FIRM TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE THEY GONNA MANAGE THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE ABLE TO VERY ORDERLY SCHEDULE OUT CITIES. UM, IF EVERY CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN 180 DAYS, THAT'S A BURDEN ON CITIES FOR SURE. BUT IT'S ALSO A BURDEN ON THESE AUDIT FIRMS WHO HAVE JUST AS MUCH, WHO ARE JUST AS CHALLENGED NOWADAYS IN FINDING STAFF JUST AS CHALLENGED WITH, UM, UM, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE AND RESOURCE, UM, UM, TO, TO MEET THIS 180 DAY CHALLENGE. AND SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU MUCH MORE ON THIS, BUT, UH, TO, TO, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, CORCORAN OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE MAY SCHEDULE, UH, A BRIEFING WITH YOU AND THE AUDIT COMMITTEE ON IN ADVANCE OF OUR NORMAL KICKOFF TIME SO THAT WE CAN REALLY, UH, PLAN ACCORDINGLY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG CONSEQUENCE IF YOU DON'T GET IT DONE IN 180 DAYS. MM-HMM . IT'S A REALLY, REALLY SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCE. YEP. DAWN, ALSO ONE, THANK YOU. I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW THE WHOLE COMMITTEE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THE OTHER THING I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, REMEMBER, IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE HAD SOME CHALLENGES AND THEY HAD SOME CHALLENGES MM-HMM . WITH STAFF TURNOVER SYSTEMS, ET CETERA. HOW LATE WERE WE ON THAT ONE? DO YOU REMEMBER? WE COMPLETED THAT IN JULY, SO WE WOULD'VE BEEN PASSED THIS TIMEFRAME. OH MY GOSH. OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. HOUSE BILL 500 BY BONIN IS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, REALLY BUDGET BILL, VERY LENGTHY BILL. BUT THE REASON I PUT THIS IN, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION IS IT RELATES TO THE, UH, CHIPS ACT, UH, TEXAS SEMICONDUCTOR INNOVATION FUND. UM, THE CONSORTIUM HERE IS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT, UM, 572, UM, MILLION DOLLARS. AND IT IS, UH, IN THE, IN THE FUND AND FOR THE PROGRAM THAT BEING, UM, SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND EFFECTIVE ON JUNE 22ND OF, UH, 2025, UM, HOUSE BILL 24 BY OR, UM, THIS BILL, UH, DETAILS ZONING PROTEST REQUIREMENTS AS A WRITTEN PROTEST FROM OWNERS OF AT LEAST 60% OF AN AREA AFFECTED OR ADJACENT LAND WITHIN 200 FEET. UM, IT SPECIFIES VOTING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GOVERNING BODY, NECESSITATING THREE FOURTHS OF THE MAJORITY ON THE GOVERNING BODY, UH, FOR PROTEST AFFECTING THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE, UM, POTENTIALLY MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO IMPLEMENT RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT AGREEMENT FROM LOCAL PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, GOVERNOR SIGNED THAT ON JUNE 20TH, UM, OF 2025 WITH THE EFFECTIVE, UH, UM, DATE OF SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025, MORE IN THE ECONOMIC, UH, VIBRANCY AREA. UM, THIS SENATE BILL 15 CAPS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR GREENFIELDS AND OTHER ZONING, UM, RESTRICTIONS FOR MALL SMALL LOTS MUNICIPALITIES, UH, ARE PROHIBITED FROM ADOPTING AND OR ENFORCING AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING A, UM, LOT SIZE LARGER THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET. IT ALSO SETS CERTAIN DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, STANDARDS FOR PROPERTIES LESS THAN 400, UM, I'M SORRY, LESS THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE NEXT THREE BILLS ARE BRACKETED TO CITIES LARGER THAN OURS. BUT WE WANTED TO ADD THIS INTO THE PRESENTATION AS IT RELATES TO HAVING A SENSE AS TO WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE, RECOGNIZING THAT THESE BRACKETS CAN CHANGE AT ANY TIME, ANY GIVEN LEGISLATIVE SESSION. UM, THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THIS ON JUNE 20TH WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025, UM, SB EIGHT 40. UM, ALSO WITH THAT SAME BRACKET ALLOWS, UM, MUST ALLOW MIXED USE AND MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AND RESIDENTIAL CONVERSIONS IN NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THIS SETS, UH, CERTAIN PERIMETERS FOR DENSITY [03:35:01] AND OTHER DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AGAIN, SHOWING THAT, UM, THAT BRACKET, THIS WAS SENT TO THE GOVERNOR, UM, ON MAY 28TH, UH, NOTING THAT HE DID NOT SIGN THIS, BUT IT WENT INTO EFFECT, UH, UH, OR IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025. UM, SENATE BILL 24 77 IS SIMILAR TO SENATE BILL EIGHT 40 THAT YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT, BUT THIS IS LIMITED, UM, TO THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING, UM, TO MIXED USE AND DEVELOPMENT OR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, USE AND DEVELOPMENT. THE GOVERNOR DID SIGN THIS ONE ON JUNE 20TH, AND ITS EFFECTIVE DATE OF, UM, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025, SENATE BILL 1567 BY BETTEN COURT, UM, AUTHORITY OF HOME RULE MUNICIPALITIES TO REGULATE THE OCCUPANCY OF DWELLING UNITS. THIS APPLIES TO CITIES WITH UNIVERSITIES. UM, THOSE, THIS ALSO, UH, PROHIBITS CITIES FROM ENFORCING AN ORDINANCE OR REGULATION THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO MAY OCCUPY A DWELLING BASED ON AGE, FAMILY, OR RELATIONSHIP STATUS. CITIES MAY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE NUMBER OF SLEEPING QUARTERS. SO THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS BILLS I CAN IMAGINE. UH, I CAN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST GONNA BE FRANK. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND ANY RATIONALE FOR THIS. SO WE HAVE HAD, FOR 30 YEARS, ACTUALLY 30 PLUS YEARS, AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS NO MORE THAN FOUR NON-RELATED INDIVIDUALS MAY OCCUPY, UM, A DWELLING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOLS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE TO STOP REALLY, UM, OVERCROWDING OF, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'VE ALL RECEIVED OUR SHARE OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE FRAT HOUSE, IT MM-HMM . OFTEN CHARACTERIZED, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUR NON-RELATED PEOPLE OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT COME AND GO. SO THIS IS, SO THE, THIS, LEMME JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. SO THIS ONLY STANDARDS WE CAN APPLY TO LIMIT OCCUPANCY NOW, OR THOSE THAT ARE FOUND IN THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, FOR INSTANCE. UM, IT SAYS THINGS LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, A 70 SQUARE FEET FOOT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO SLEEP IN A BEDROOM. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON, YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 50 SQUARE FEET. SO JUST DO THE MATH REAL QUICK IN YOUR OWN HOUSE AND THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE, I MEAN, BUT THIS IS A SERIOUS, THIS IS GONNA BE A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. UM, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NOW MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN INDIVIDUALS OR EIGHT INDIVIDUALS MAY BE ABLE TO OCCUPY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND BECAUSE OF THIS LEGISLATION, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT WE CAN DO WITH IT. BY THE WAY, WE'RE PREPARING TO PRESENT THIS TO THE HOA PRESIDENT SO THAT WE CAN START TO GET THE WORD OUT IN ADVANCE OF SEPTEMBER. BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE UNIVERSITY TO MANAGE, UM, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE UNIVERSITY, UM, IN A EFFECTIVE WAY THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND AGAIN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD, IF IT'S, QUITE FRANKLY, IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR CITIES WITH UNIVERSITIES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULDN'T BE, THAT WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE TO EVERYONE. WHY THEY, WHY THEY ISOLATED. UM, THIS TO JUST CITIES WITH UNIVERSITIES IS, IS VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND. YES, SIR. MR. MR. GER. UM, I MEAN, WE, ARE YOU GUYS GONNA MEET WITH UTD TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT A FRAT HOUSE STRATEGY? MM-HMM. BECAUSE FUNCTIONALLY IN ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND UTD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE FRAT HOUSES AT SOME POINT. I WOULD IMAGINE. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT UTD IS A VERY ACADEMICALLY FOCUSED UNIVERSITY. RIGHT. BUT IT'S A BIG PUBLIC CAMPUS. YEAH. WE ARE NOW GONNA HAVE FRAT HOUSES. I MEAN, WE CAN'T CONTROL IT, BUT UTD WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF STRATEGY WITH IT. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND, UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT. LET ME MAKE CLEAR, THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS UP TO THIS POINT. ANYTIME WE HAVE A A, UH, AN ISSUE, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A VIOLATION OF THE CODE OR AGAINST THE, AGAINST, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN, UH, IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW. UM, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE EVEN TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXTENT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO INTERVENE IF THERE'S NO LAW BEING BROKEN. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY CAN, THEY HAVE THEIR CODE OF CONDUCT, THEY HAVE THEIR INTERACTIONS AND, AND THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN HOLD THEIR STUDENTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT IF THERE'S NO VIOLATION OCCURRING, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR APPROACH WILL BE, BUT, UH, THE SPIRIT OF YOUR QUESTION IS ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL BE HIGHLY COORDINATING WITH THEM. BUT AGAIN, TO, TO WHAT EXTENT THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO INTERVENE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, TO SIX STUDENTS, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF ANY CODE OR ORDINANCE. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I I AGREE. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING ANYTHING THEY CAN LET US, THEY ANYTHING THEY NEED TO EVEN LET US KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. MM-HMM . RIGHT. WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL KNOW THAT THROUGH THE RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM. I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE THAT [03:40:01] PROGRAM, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO LIMIT IT TO NON, UH, TO FOUR NON-RELATED INDIVIDUALS ANY LONGER. IT'LL BE BASED ON THINGS LIKE THE AMOUNT OF LIVING, SLEEPING, EATING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE SQUARE FEET. UM, IT'S ALL BASED ON THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. MR. MAGNER, IT'S NOT JUST, UH, STUDENT RELATED THOUGH, IS IT? I MEAN, NO, IT'S THROUGHOUT ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ANY, SO YOU CAN HAVE A MULTITUDE OF FAMILIES OR ANYONE MM-HMM . WELL, FAMILIES, IF IT'S RELATED, RELATED, RELATED, THEN WE, SO ESSENTIALLY OKAY. IF IT, IF THERE, IF CURRENTLY IF THE OCCUPANTS ARE RELATED, THEN WE ONLY APPLY THE MINIMUM PROPERTY STANDARDS ANYWAY. OKAY. BUT WHAT THIS IS DOING TO YOU, WELL, IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT YOU MADE THOUGH. IT'S, IT'S CITIES WITH UNIVERSITIES, BUT IT DOESN'T JUST SAY, IT DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO STUDENTS, IT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY WITHIN THE CITY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT YOUR GROUP HOMES THAT REQUIRE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION. THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S NO REASON FOR A GROUP HOME TO REQUIRE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION ANYMORE. THE ONLY THING WE COULD, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ACCOMMODATION WE WERE PROVIDING WAS AN EXEMPTION TO THE FOUR NON-RELATED INDIVIDUALS. THERE'S NO REASON FOR A GROUP HOME OR A COMMUNITY GROUP HOME TO EVEN RE REQUEST AN ACCOMMODATION ANYMORE. THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO DO IT BY, RIGHT. HMM. THIS IS, THIS IS NOTEWORTHY. UH, CHIEF, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN I GOT A PREVIOUS, UH, UPDATE ON HOW THINGS WERE GOING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS FIXATED ON WAS MAKING SURE THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THESE ARE BEING SIGNED INTO LAW, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET EXACTLY WHICH ONE OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES, UH, DID APPROVE THIS. I MEAN, WHETHER REGARDLESS OF PARTY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO OUR PART TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND WHICH OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES DECIDED THAT THESE WERE REALLY GOOD IDEAS. YEAH. DID OUR MAYOR, I HAVE THAT NOTE HERE. MM-HMM . SO HOUSE BILL 21, STICKING WITH, UH, HOUSING, UH, REQUIRES A HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION TO GAIN APPROVAL THROUGH A RESOLUTION OR ORDER FROM THE GOVERNING BODY, IE COUNSEL, UM, FOR EACH SPONSORING LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHEN OPERATING OUTSIDE OF ITS OWN DEFINED JURISDICTION. YEAH. UM, GOOD PIECE OF LEGISLATION HERE SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON, UM, AND, UH, IT WAS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY ON MAY 28TH, 2025 UTILITIES AND ENVIRONMENT, UM, FOCUSING AS WE HEARD, UH, EARLIER IN THE EVENING ON WATER SENATE BILL SEVEN, UH, BY SENATOR PERRY INTRODUCES A NEW OFFICE OF WATER SUPPLY CONVEYANCE COORDINATION WITHIN THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. UM, ONE OF THE GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY ITEMS WAS TO DEDICATE A MILLION, DO, I'M SORRY, A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, UM, INTO WATER SUPPLIES, NEW WATER SUPPLIES AND EXISTING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, THIS WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 20TH, 2025. THIS WILL TAKE EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST OF 25, EXCEPT FOR, UH, CERTAIN PIECES OF IT, UM, WILL TAKE EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2027, AGAIN, UPON A VOTER APPROVAL OF A HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION. NUMBER SEVEN, SEVERAL BILLS HERE RELATED TO UTILITIES AND ENVIRONMENT. CONTINUING THAT, UM, SENATE BILL 7 85 CHANGES THE, UM, TO ENHANCE THE RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS TO INSTALL HUD CODE MANUFACTURED HOMES BY LIMITING MUNICIPAL REGULATIONS THAT COULD HINDER THEIR INSTALLATION. UM, THIS REQUIRES MUNICIPALITIES TO FACILITATE THE INSTITUTION, THE INSTALLATION PROCESS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREAS, WHILE ALSO ENSURING THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CANNOT IMPOSE UNREASONABLE RESTRICTIONS OR FEES ON THE TRANSPORTATION AND INSTALLATION OF THESE HOMES. UM, SENATOR, I'M SORRY. THE, UH, THIS WAS SENT TO THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 1ST, 2025. HE DID NOT SIGN THE BILL, BUT IT BECOMES, UH, EFFECTIVE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026. UH, SENATE BILL 7 83. IT'S RELATED TO BUILDING MATERIALS. UH, REGULATION RESTRICTIONS NO LONGER APPLIED TO CERTAIN ENERGY CODES AND STANDARDS THAT WAS SENT TO THE GOVERNOR. DID NOT SIGN IT. UM, BUT IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025. UM, HOUSE BILL 50 57. UM, THIS RELATES TO EXCLUSIVE THIRD PARTY CONTRACTS FOR MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT SERVICES, UM, SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND BECOMES EFFECTIVE ON JUNE 28TH. THAT IS RELATED TO ANY NEW CONTRACT OR AMENDING A CONTRACT, UH, PUBLISHING THE DETAILS OF THAT CONTRACT. OPEN GOVERNMENT AS IT RELATES TO HOUSE BILL 1522, GOVERNMENTAL BODIES MUST PROVIDE THREE DAY, THREE [03:45:01] BUSINESS DAYS NOTICE FOR ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL REQUIRE OUR AGENDA FOR THIS COUNCIL, UM, MEETING, UH, UH, TO BE POSTED BY 5:00 PM ON TUESDAYS THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 20TH, AND WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025. HOUSE BILL 42 19, UM, MUST NOTIFY AN OPEN RECORDS REQUESTER IN WRITING WHEN NO RESPONSIVE DOCUMENTS EXIST. UM, FAILURE TO DO SO CAN INITIATE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL'S INVESTIGATION, WHICH MAY END UP REQUIRING EXTRA EXTRA TRAINING FOR PERSONNEL. UM, THIS WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 20TH AND WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025, UH, SENATE BILL 10 62. THIS ALLOWS CITIES TO USE ALTERNATE METHODS OF PUBLICA FAR PUBLICATIONS OF LEGAL NOTICES. UM, THIS, UH, PASSED BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE. UNOPPOSED WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND BECOMES EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON HIS SIGNATURE, WHICH WAS MAY 19TH, 2025. CHIEF, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IT ONLINE AND NOT POST IT OUT FRONT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT THAT IS CORRECT. UM, CERTAIN DIGITAL NEWSPAPERS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE BY THAT. UM, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE FINER DETAILS OF THAT, I KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, THERE'S ONE BILL, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THIS ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT NEWSPAPER TO BE, OR THAT DIGITAL NEWSPAPER TO BE FOR A FEE, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A CERTAIN TURNOVER OF NEW INFORMATION IN THAT DIGITAL NEWSPAPER, LIKE A, A WEEKLY OR, OR BIWEEKLY, UM, FORMAT. HOUSE BILL 33 BY MCLAUGHLIN. THIS IS GETTING INTO A FEW PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, BILLS. UM, THIS WAS A VERY LENGTHY BILL. UM, ACTUALLY MCLAUGHLIN IS A FRESHMAN, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OUT OF VALDI. THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION COMES OUT OF, UM, TRAGIC, UH, SCHOOL SHOOTING THERE, AND MCLAUGHLIN WAS MAYOR. SO A VERY EMOTIONAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION. UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ENHANCES, UH, CERTAIN PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE CAPABILITIES. IT GETS INTO THE, WHAT WE VERY MUCH KNOW ALREADY IN THE NORTH TEXAS REGION AS IT RELATES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, DEALING WITH COMMAND STRUCTURE, INCIDENT COMMAND, TACTICAL STRATEGIES AND COMMAND, AS WELL AS REPORTING AFTER EVENTS OF THIS NATURE. UM, THIS WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 20TH, 2025. AND, UH, EFFECTIVE DATE, THE SEPTEMBER 1ST OF 25, UM, HOUSE BILLS 2217, AS WELL AS HOUSE BILL SIX, UH, 42 64 ARE A COUPLE OF, UH, NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT GRANT PROGRAMS. UH, ONE OF THEM WILL PROVIDE A, UH, GRANT FOR BALLISTIC WINDSHIELDS THAT WILL BE PUSHED THROUGH THE GOVERNOR'S, UM, CRIMINAL JUSTICE DIVISION, AS WELL AS A, UM, ONE TIME $6,500, UM, UM, PAYMENT FOR CERTAIN TENURED OFFICERS WHO HAVE, UM, ACCOMPLISHED THEIR MASTER PROFICIENCY THROUGH TO. HOWEVER, THAT ONE THAT I JUST MENTIONED, UH, 42 64 WAS NOT BUDGETED AND SUPPORTED IN THE BUDGET. SO DESPITE IT BEING PASSED, IT WILL NOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY. THERE WILL BE NO FUNDING FOR THAT. UM, BOTH OF THOSE BILLS WERE SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 20TH, EFFECTIVE DATE, SEPTEMBER ONE. AGAIN, 42 64, UM, PASSED, BUT NO, NO FUNDING SOURCE. UM, HOUSE BILL 3 31, UM, RELATES TO CERTAIN PRESUMPTIONS, APPLICABLE TO CLAIMS FROM OR FOR BENEFITS OR COMPENSATION FOR CERTAIN MEDICAL CONDITIONS BROUGHT BY CERTAIN FIRST RESPONDERS. UM, PRIOR LEGISLATION STATED THAT IF A FIREFIGHTER HAS A STROKE OR HEART ATTACK AFTER, UM, GETTING OFF DUTY AFTER EIGHT HOURS, THAT IT WOULD, UNDER STRESSFUL CONDITIONS WHEN HE OR SHE WAS ON DUTY, UM, THAT IT WOULD CLASSIFY AS AN ON-DUTY INJURY. UH, THIS SIMPLY ADDED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION. SENATE BILL 2373 BY, UH, SENATOR NATHAN JOHNSON. THIS HAS AN OVERALL IMPACT, UM, TO ENHANCE LEGAL PROTECTIONS BOTH CIVILLY AS WELL AS CRIMINALLY FOR INDIVIDUALS, UM, AGAINST EMERGING THREATS POSED BY TECHNOLOGY IN THE FORM OF FINANCIAL SCAMS AND ABUSE. UM, GOVERNOR SIGNED THIS ON JUNE 20TH, AND THE [03:50:01] EFFECTIVE DATE IS SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025, SENATE BILL 25 70 BY FLORES. THIS BILL IS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT PROVIDES A DEFENSE FOR, FOR POLICE OFFICERS, UM, IF PROSECUTED FOR CERTAIN OFFENSES WHEN UTILIZING A, UH, USE OF, UH, LESS LETHAL, UM, USE OF FORCE. I'LL USE TASER AS THE EXAMPLE FOR THAT. UH, THIS PROVIDES A DEFENSE ON THE PROSECUTION SIDE OF THAT, UM, WHEN THAT OFFICER COMPLIES WITH THE MANUFACTURER'S PURPOSE OF THAT LESS LETHAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, AS WELL AS FOLLOWING POLICY AND PRACTICE BY THE DEPARTMENT IN WHICH IT, UM, WHICH THAT OFFICER WORKS. THIS WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, UM, AND, UH, EFFECTIVE DATE BOTH JUNE 20TH, UM, BEING THE SIGNATURE AS WELL AS EFFECTIVE DATE SENATE BILL FOUR 12 BY MIDDLETON. THIS IS IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT. UM, IT CHANGES AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE FOR THE, UM, POSSESSION AND MAKING, UM, AVAILABLE, UH, OBSCENE MATERIALS, OBSCENE OR HARMFUL, UM, MATERIALS TO CHILDREN. UH, THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE REMOVES EDUCATIONAL AND SCIENTIFIC, UH, CATEGORIES FOR THAT AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE AND LEAVES IT ONLY AS JUDICIAL, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LEGISLATIVE JUSTIFICATION. HOUSE BILL 28 44, UH, THIS IS RELATED TO HEALTH AND SAFETY, UM, SURROUNDING, UH, UH, FOOD TRUCKS, UH, TITLED MOBILE FOOD VENDOR REGULATORY CONSISTENCY ACT. UH, THIS RESTRICTS, UM, LOCAL AUTHORITIES. UH, THE RESTRICTIONS ON LOCAL AUTHORITIES AIM TO CREATE A MORE CONSISTENT ENVIRONMENT, UM, FOR THE LICENSING AND, UM, AND SUCH ON MOBILE FOOD OPERATIONS, POTENTIALLY FOSTERING GREATER INNOVATION AND CONSUMER ACCESS. UM, THIS CHAPTER ALSO STRUCTURES OVERSIGHT AND ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES FOR THOSE VIOLATIONS. THIS WILL BE A STATE, UH, PROGRAM, BUT IT WILL ALLOW LOCAL, UM, GOVERNMENTS TO ENTER INTO A COLLABORATIVE AGREEMENT FOR THAT LICENSING APPROVAL. UH, THIS WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR ON JUNE 20TH. IT WILL TAKE EFFECT ON JULY 1ST, 2026, EXCEPT, UM, ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025. THIS WILL GO INTO EFFECT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO START BUILDING OUT AND CREATING THE RULES AND PROCESSES FOR THAT, UM, FROM HEALTH AND SAFETY. UH, WELL, UH, JOE, BEFORE, UH, GARY, BEFORE YOU HIT THAT LAST SLIDE, UM, SO YOU RECALL COUNSEL IN 88 SESSION THAT, UH, THEY, UH, TOOK THE ABILITY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REGULATE FOOD TRUCKS, AND THEY, UH, EMPOWERED COUNTIES TO DO THAT, UM, UH, OVER, OVER A CERTAIN SIZE. SO YOU RECALL, WE HAD TO MAKE THE SWITCH THEN TO DALLAS COUNTY BEGIN PERMITTING OUR FOOD TRUCKS, WHAT WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR INSPECTING THEM. BUT COLLIN COUNTY, UH, IN COLLIN COUNTY, WE STILL REGISTERED AND INSPECTED HERE, UH, EFFECTIVE, UH, JULY, UNLESS WE ENTER INTO SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE, WE WILL NOT PERMIT OR INSPECT FOOD TRUCKS ANYMORE. THAT WILL BE SOME NEW, UH, DIVISION OF THE, I GUESS, OF THE STATE. WE'LL TAKE THAT OVER. SO WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT ILA MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WE'LL KIND OF REIMBURSEMENT MIGHT, WE MIGHT ACHIEVE IF WE DO DECIDE TO INSPECT, IF IT WORKED OUT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS A LOCAL OPTION, AT LEAST FOR INSPECTION, WOULD BE PREFERABLE. I MEAN, WE ALL LOVE FOOD TRUCKS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAFE AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A A NEW STATE AGENCY DOING THAT AND SOME RHYTHM THAT THEY DETERMINE TO BE APPROPRIATE IS THE BEST WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT. I'M SORRY, IS THIS, THIS APPLIES TO THE INSPECTION AND OPERATION, BUT, SO, BUT CAN FOOD TRUCKS, WE STILL DETERMINE WHERE FOOD TRUCKS OPERATE IN THE CITY OR MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO, SO THE LAND USE COMPONENT HASN'T CHANGED. OKAY. IT'S JUST THE HEALTH COMPONENT. OKAY. YEAH. SO REALLY JUST WRAPPING UP, UM, UP AS, AS MR. MAGER MENTIONED, UM, GOVERNOR'S DEADLINE FOR VETOING BILLS WAS, UH, LAST NIGHT, UM, JUST YESTERDAY, OR ACTUALLY THIS MORNING, HE ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WOULD BE A SPECIAL SESSION, UM, CALLED ON JULY 21ST TO COVER FOUR, I'M SORRY, SIX BILLS THAT, UM, HE VETOED RECENTLY. UH, ONE OF THOSE BILLS BEING SENATE BILL THREE, WHICH IS, UH, RELATED TO THE REGULATION AND ACTUAL, UM, BAN OF, UH, CONSUMABLE HIP HEMP PRODUCTS. UH, ALSO ON THAT SPECIAL CALL WILL BE, UH, SENATE [03:55:01] BILL 6 48 RELATED TO, UM, UH, REAL PROPERTY AND RECORDING REQUIRE REQUIREMENTS. THERE ALSO, SENATE BILL 1253 RELATED TO, UH, THE AUTHORITY OF POLITICAL SUBDIVISION TO PROVIDE CREDITS AGAINST IMPACT FEES FOR BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS. ALSO, SENATE BILL 1278, UM, RELATED TO AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE TO PROSECUTION FOR VICTIMS OF CERTAIN OFFENSES, UM, RELATED TO VICTIMS OF TRAFFICKING, OF PERSONS AND OR, UM, COMPELLING PROSTITUTION, UH, SENATE BILL 1758 RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF A KILN AND THE PRODUCTION OF AGGREGATE NEAR A SEMICONDUCTOR WAFER MANUFACTURER'S FACILITY. AND THEN LASTLY ON THAT LIST IS SENATE BILL 28 78, UH, RELATED TO, UM, UH, ADMINISTERING PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO PROCEEDINGS IN THE JUDICIAL, UH, BRANCH OF STATE GOVERNMENT. UM, JUST AS IT RELATES TO THE NEXT STEPS, WE WILL TAKE AND PUSH THIS INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO THE, UM, BILLS THAT PASS THAT ARE RELATIVE TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. WE WILL PUSH THIS OUT TO THE DIRECTORS, AND, UM, COLLECTIVELY WE WILL MANAGE OUR SHOPS AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IMPACTS OUR OWN, UM, DEPARTMENTS. UM, WE WILL ALSO ALSO TURN TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL FOR, UM, BETTER INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW AND HOW IT IMPACTS US MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN, OF COURSE, START THAT IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS AS IT RELATES TO PAST LEGISLATION. UM, AGAIN, WE WILL STAY, UH, IN TUNE TO THE UPCOMING SPECIAL SESSION, AND, UM, CERTAINLY, UH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE GOVERNOR ADDS TO THAT, OR, OR VARIES IN SOME FORM OR FASHION FROM THE, UM, ORIGINAL TOPICS THAT HE MENTIONED THIS MORNING AS HE ANNOUNCED THAT JULY 21ST SPECIAL SESSION, UM, WITH THAT MAYOR. UM, I WILL, I WILL CLOSE AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. THANK YOU. JUST A QUESTION ON THAT LAST, YOU KNOW, IT'S LATE, SO I WON'T GO ON, GET ON MY SOAPBOX ABOUT OUR STATE LEGISLATURES AND THEIR ATTACK ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT. BUT ON THAT LAST ONE, REMOVING THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FROM MUNICIPAL JUDGES, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT BILL, UH, INCLUDES, DOES IT ALLOW US TO STILL REQUIRE THAT AS FAR AS OUR OWN ORDINANCES ARE CONCERNED, OR OUR OWN RULES? OR WILL IT TAKE THAT CONTROL OVER, UH, AWAY FROM US AS WELL? THAT I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. BUT I'LL, I'LL FIND THAT OUT. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE NUMBER, BUT ON SB 10 25, ANY BALLOT THAT INCREASES TAXES MUST SAY THIS IS A TAX INCREASE. DOES THAT JUST, IS THAT JUST THE TAX RATE OR IS THAT ANYTHING THAT COULD HYPOTHETICALLY INCREASE TAXES? WHAT I THINK ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WHERE WE MAY SEE THAT IS IF WE HAVE A BOND ELECTION. OKAY. I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE IN THAT TYPE OF A BALLOT SINCE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PLEDGING A PORTION OF THE TAX RATE TO REPAY THAT DEBT. OH, OKAY. INTERESTING. JUST, WELL, FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT , UH, SO THAT THE BOND DOES NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL, ARE YOU STILL SUPPOSED TO, SO I THINK THAT COULD BE OPEN FOR SOME LEGAL INTERPRETATION, BUT I, I THINK BECAUSE THERE'S A TAX RATE PLEDGED, TYPICALLY THEY WANT YOU TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE, IS WHAT IT'S GETTING AT. WELL, I JUST THINK THE, I MEAN, I'LL KEEP MY SOAPBOX VERY, VERY, VERY TINY, BUT I MEAN, IT REALLY IS REALLY FRUSTRATING TO ESSENTIALLY VOLUNTEER 30 HOURS A WEEK ON CITY COUNCIL AND THEN GET TOLD EVERY TWO YEARS HOW HORRIBLE OF A JOB I'M DOING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, , THE IRONY OF SOME OF THESE OTHER BILLS, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE 150,000 THRESHOLD, I ALMOST WROTE A HUGE RAN ON FACEBOOK AND I DELETED IT. BUT I MEAN, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE I'M LESS MOTIVATED TO APPROVE HOUSING, SO WE DON'T HIT THE THRESHOLD. AND THAT'S THE IRONY OF THE WHOLE SITUATION. SO DEFINITELY GIVES US A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF. YES, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. [8. PRESENT FOLLOW UP ITEMS AND CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT ON THE RICHARDSON CITY CHARTER.] AND WE WILL GO ON TO, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEM A, UH, PRESENT FOLLOW UP ITEMS AND CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT ON THE RICHARDSON CITY CHARTER. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, FOR EACH OF THE LAST THREE WEEKS. YOU'VE DONE, UH, GREAT WORK AND, UM, ON, ON, ON TAKING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, GOING THROUGH ALL 19 ARTICLES. UM, WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR YOU TONIGHT IS SOME FOLLOW UP FROM LAST WEEK, UH, AS WELL AS SOME NEXT STEPS IN ADVANCE OF YOUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. AMY, NEXT STEP SLIDE PLEASE. SO, UH, JUST AS, UH, THE FOLLOW UP RECALL, SECTION 9 0 2, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO [04:00:01] ADD A, UH, ONE YEAR REQUIREMENT VERSUS A SIX MONTH REQUIREMENT. THIS WILL MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE ONE YEAR REQUIREMENT TO SERVE, UH, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. AND SECTION NINE 10, UH, WE, UH, ADDED THAT NO MEMBER OF THE BOARD SHALL BE EXCUSED FROM VOTING ON ANY MATTER BEFORE THE BOARD, THUS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY LAW. THAT WAS, UH, CLARIFICATION THAT WAS REQUESTED. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, WE WENT AHEAD AND TOOK, JUST TOOK THE LIBERTY OF, UM, REDLINING, UM, AND DELETING, UM, THE PORTION OF THE, UH, SECTION 1801 THAT, UH, ADDRESSED, UM, BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, BEING ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. UM, I FELT THERE WAS A CONSENSUS EN ENOUGH THERE. UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AROUND MAKING IT SPECIFIC TO HIP, BUT I THINK IN THE END, THIS WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED. SO WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AND THEN ON DEFINITION, SECTION 1907, UH, DELETED BUSINESS DAY. UH, AND THE ONLY DEFINITION, UH, RE REMAINING WOULD BE DAY, WHICH SHALL MEAN A CALENDAR DAY. NEXT SLIDE, AMY. UM, SO AGAIN, UH, FOURTH CONSECUTIVE WEEK. UH, PETE, I WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. UM, BEEN, UH, A GREAT HELP, UH, GETTING US TO THIS POINT. UM, THERE, IN OUR OPINION ARE ONLY THREE REMAINING ISSUES. UM, AND, AND THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, UH, HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT MIGHT, UH, HAVE ANY INPUT SO THAT YOU COULD FURTHER CONSIDER THESE. THERE'S, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL COMPENSATION, UM, UM, THE, UH, BOND OF THE CITY MANAGER AND EMPLOYEES. UH, YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT FROM US. UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR, UM, INSURANCE BROKER AND, UH, TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ADDITIONAL CLARITY AROUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CRIMES POLICY AND THE SURETY BOND. AND THEN FINALLY, 1401 AND 1409, IT WAS THE POWER OF INITIATIVE AND POWERFUL REFERENDUM. UH, WE ARE CONCLUDING OUR, UH, SURVEY WORK OF THE OTHER CITIES AND BE PREPARED TO SHARE WITH YOU, UH, CITIES THAT, UH, WELL, TWO, ESSENTIALLY TWO THINGS. ONE, CITIES THAT USE THE, UH, QUALIFIED VOTERS. UH, WHAT IS THE PERCENT, UH, ESSENTIALLY 'CAUSE YOU'RE INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY TWEAKING THAT STRATEGY. BUT ALSO WE'LL ALSO BE PRESENTING YOU CITIES THAT USED THE NUMBER OF VOTERS IN THE LAST ELECTION, WHAT PERCENT THEY ARE USING. AND SO WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU, UH, FOR YOU. UM, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JULY 14TH. UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, PETE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START COMPOSING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS MANY OF THE PROPOSITIONS AS MAKE SENSE. A LOT OF THEM OBVIOUSLY CAN BE, UM, SUMMARIZED AND, AND COMPILED INTO AN EFFECTIVE WAY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, SO MANY OF THE, UH, DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS. I THINK PETE DESCRIBED THAT STRATEGY LAST WEEK, AND THEN WE'RE RESERVING THE 21ST AS A FOLLOW-UP DAY IN THE EVENT, UH, THAT THOSE THREE ISSUES, UH, AREN'T RE, YOU KNOW, WON'T, WON'T BE RESOLVED. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, ULTIMATELY, UH, AUGUST 11TH IS WHEN YOU HAVE TO CALL THE, UH, CHARTER, UM, AMENDMENT ELECTION BY IF YOU CHOOSE, CHOOSE TO DO SO. SO, MAYOR, THAT'S OUR REPORT TONIGHT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND SURE. UH, TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, HANDLE THAT BUSINESS. UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I WAS ON VACATION LAST WEEK. SURE. THE MAYOR, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE TWO MINUTES AND I TIMED IT. YEAH. JUST MY OPINIONS. DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE THEM NOW OR AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR WHEN SHOULD DO YOU PREFER? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, IF THAT'S NOT A QUESTION OF STAFF, WILL CAN DO IT MAYBE DURING THE OPEN, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THAT MORE APPROPRIATE THERE OR IS IT MORE APPROPRIATE HERE? UM, I WANT YOU DO MAYBE DO IT AFTER THE APPROPRIATE, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST IN CASE. YEP. UM, PERFECT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT. HARD SMEAR. ALRIGHT. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? NO, WE DO NOT. ALRIGHT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. THANK YOU. HAVE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SURE. HEAR THAT MOTION. AND SECOND. WONDERFUL. WE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SIX IN FAVOR, AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS IS ABSENT. ALRIGHT. UH, YOU HAD A COMMENT? GO AHEAD. YEAH, YEAH, REAL QUICK. AND IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE TWO THINGS I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS STILL UP FOR DISCUSSION IN OUR NEXT MEETING. UM, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT ON THE COUNCIL STIPEND, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PER MEETING IN 1956 WAS $10, WHICH IS ABOUT $118 TODAY. AND BACK THEN RICHARDSON WAS ONLY 5,000 PEOPLE. AND SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THE COMPLEXITY AND VOLUME OF THE ISSUES, UH, FACING THE CITY HAVE COUNCIL HAVE GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE LAST 70 YEARS. AND I PERSONALLY, I JUST THINK BY KEEPING THE STIPEND LOW, OR BY EVEN SPECIFYING ONE IN THE CHARTER AT ALL, WE LOCK A CERTAIN CLASS OR TYPE OF PEOPLE OUT OF SERVING ON THE COUNCIL. AND THIS IS A CONSIDERATION THAT GOES BEYOND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CONCERNS. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE THAT IT IS AN HONOR TO BE HERE. UM, AND A LOW STIPEND DOES ENSURE THAT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO TRULY SACRIFICE THE NAME OF CIVIC DUTY, UH, ARE THE ONES ELECTED TO THIS POSITION. BUT I DO THINK THAT SACRIFICE COMES AT A COST AND THAT COST IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS CANDIDATES AND LESS OF THE EQUITY THAT WE ALL STRIVE FOR. CITY STAFF'S PLAN OF THE SCALED INCREASE, I THINK IS AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT'S STILL THE BARE MINIMUM IN MY OPINION. [04:05:01] THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WE DID JUST TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, AS A COUNCIL ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, LET VOLUNTEER BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CITY UH, INITIATIVES AND PROGRAMS, UM, CITY INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING TOO CAUTIOUS ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE GONNA BAR MEMBERS OF THE LIBRARY BOARD FROM RECEIVING A HOME IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE WHEN THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY CROSS-CONTAMINATION THERE. SO I JUST THINK THAT, I KNOW I'M IN A MINORITY OF ONE ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THE NEXT TIME WE'RE SITTING IN A ROOM TRYING TO FIND A QUALITY CANDIDATE FOR A VOLUNTEER POSITION THAT IS A SPECIFIC GENDER WITH A SPECIFIC RESUME THAT LIVES IN A SPECIFIC QUADRANT OF THE CITY, UM, I JUST REMEMBER THAT WE DECIDED TO CONTINUE PENALIZING PEOPLE FOR VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME AND THAT MAYBE THE IDEAL VOLUNTEER, UH, WOULD BE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US IF WE HADN'T MADE THE DECISION NOT TO PUT THIS UP FOR A VOTE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT TWO MINUTES. AND, UH, I'LL YIELD TO THE MAJORITY ON IT. UH, IS THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? APPRECIATE THE, APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. [9. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 25-09, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I-M(1) INDUSTRIAL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE I-M(1) INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS INCLUDING A CONCEPT PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR AN 8.3-ACRE LOT LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GLENVILLE DRIVE AND GREENVILLE AVENUE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.] UH, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH OH NINE AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM IM ONE INDUSTRIAL TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE IM ONE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GLENVILLE DRIVE AND GREENVILLE AVENUE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. MR. MAG, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, OUR SENIOR PLANNER, DEREK PETERS, IS GONNA GO WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENTS. UM, I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. THEY HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION, AND SO ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM, WE'LL HOLD AND, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, DEREK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. SO THE SUBJECT SITE, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GREENVILLE AND GLENVILLE. CURRENTLY THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED, IM ONE INDUSTRIAL, SO IT DOES ALLOW WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE BY RIGHT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE IM ONE DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ALLOW A 45 FOOT TALL SINGLE STORY BUILDING. AND THE PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN THE REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT PLACE TYPE DESIGNATION IN THE ENVISION RICHARDSON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH ACROSS GREENVILLE IS ZONED AS PD, AND THAT'S DEVELOPED WITH CORPORATE LODGING. THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE ALL ZONED INDUSTRIAL, AS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH OFFICES AND THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST ACROSS GLENVILLE IS A NEW PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL. HERE'S SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THAT SITE TODAY. THIS IS THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE ON GREENVILLE. THIS IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. THIS IS INSIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING NORTH AT THE PROPERTY FROM THE SOUTH NEIGHBOR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH. AND HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW THAT GIVES YOU A BETTER VIEW OF THE SITE AS IT'S DEVELOPED TODAY. UM, IN 1996, IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH THIS TWO STORY 70,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS HOUSED. VARIOUS, UH, HAS HOUSED HOUSED TELECOMMUNICATION AGENCIES, INCLUDING AT AND T THAT VACATED IN 2022. UM, YOU SEE HERE ON THE AERIAL IMAGE THAT ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S PLANTED WITH STREET TREES THAT WILL REMAIN WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. SO THE SITE IS EIGHT ACRES IN TOTAL, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A SINGLE STORY, 76,400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. UM, AS THE, UH, SITE DATA TABLE SHOWS HERE, WHAT IS TYPICALLY ALLOWED FOR A SINGLE STORY BUILDING IS 25 FOOT TALL AT MAXIMUM. THAT'S THE TYPICAL STANDARD THAT YOU FIND IN OUR BASE ZONING CODE. IN MOST OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS, THAT FIRST FLOOR IS DEFINED AS A 25 FOOT TALL FLOOR. AND THEN THESE SUBSEQUENT FLOORS CAN BE 15, ABOUT 15 FEET IS THE STANDARD. UM, UM, ON THIS SITE, A BUILDING CAN BE AS TALL AS 75 FEET TALL AT THE PROPERTY AT THE SETBACK LINE, AND CAN GROW EVEN TALLER AS YOU GROW, GET FURTHER BACK FROM THE SETBACK LINE. SO BY RIGHT, A BUILDING OF MULTIPLE STORIES CAN BE UP AS TALL AS 75 FEET TALL AT THE SETBACK LINE. UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN MEETS THE BASE STANDARDS OF THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE, THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, ASIDE FROM THE PROPOSAL FOR THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING HEIGHT. SO WITH THIS NEW BUILDING, IT WILL BE, WILL BE PLACED CLOSER TO THE FRONTAGES. THERE WILL BE A TRUCK PARKING COURT IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING TO SUPPORT THE WAREHOUSE. USES, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE [04:10:01] ARE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, AND THE SITE WILL PROVIDE 19% OF LANDSCAPED AREA. AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, UH, NATURAL AREA THAT RUNS ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE ALONG CAMPBELL CREEK. THAT'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. SO THAT AREA IS, UM, ENCUMBERED, IT'S UNDEVELOPABLE AND IT WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED WITH THIS PROJECT. THE TWO DRIVEWAYS THAT EXIST ON SITE, THERE'S ONE ON GREENVILLE AND ONE ON GLENVILLE. THOSE WILL REMAIN IN THE SAME LOCATIONS THAT SOUTHERN PROPER, THAT SOUTHERN DRIVEWAY ON GLEN GLENVILLE IS SHARED WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A TRIP GENERATION MEMO THAT COMPARED THE PROPOSED TRIPS AS COMPARED TO WHAT WAS ALLOWED WITH THE OFFICE USE. AND IT'S PROJECTED THAT IN THE MORNING AM PEAK TRIPS WOULD, UH, BE 91 TIMES FEWER THAN AN OFFICE AND PM PEAK TRIPS ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE 89 FEWER TRIPS THAN AN OFFICE WOULD. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE A WAREHOUSE IN OFFICE, WHICH AS I MENTIONED, IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. IT'LL BE DESIGNED AS A SPECULATIVE BUILDING AND TENANTS ARE KNOWN AT THIS TIME, BUT IT COULDN'T ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE TENANTS, UM, WHETHER THAT BE A WAREHOUSE OR OFFICE TENANTS. SO IN ADDITION TO THE REQUEST FOR A, UH, 45 FOOT TALL BUILDING AS A CONDITION, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED THESE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IN THE PD FOR ENHANCED SCREENING OF THE TRUCK COURT. SO THEY HAVE PROPOSED A EARTH BERM THAT IS PLANTED WITH EVERGREEN SHRUBS ALONG THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG GREENVILLE, SHOWN HERE IN GREEN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, CLOSER TO THE TRUCK COURT, WILL BE AN EIGHT FOOT TALL MASONRY SCREENING WALL. AND THAT'S SHOWN IN RED HERE. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS. UM, SO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT AT THE TALLEST PARAPET, THEY EXPECT THE BUILDING TO BE 45 FEET TALL, AND THAT'S IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE INTERNAL CLEAR HEIGHTS NEEDED FOR THE WAREHOUSE USE. UM, THEY HAVE, HOWEVER, DESIGNED THE BUILDING TO LOOK LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING. UM, IT'S BUILT AS AN OFFICE SHELL AND OFFICE CONSTRUCTION TYPE. SO AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE WEST ELEVATION, THIS IS FACING GLENVILLE. UH, THEY HAVE SEVERAL WINDOWS, BOTH, UH, BOTH ROWS OF WINDOWS, ALUMINUM STOREFRONT WINDOWS AND END CAPS ACCENTUATING THE ENDS OF THE BUILDINGS. THEN THE EAST ELEVATION FACES THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN THE REAR. AND THERE ARE 22 LOADING DOCK DOORS PROPOSED HERE. THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS FACING GREENVILLE. AND AGAIN, THEY HAVE MORE WINDOWS CONCENTRATED HERE. AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION FACING THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH. SO HERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WILL BE MODIFIED ON THE SITE IS THE CURRENT WROUGHT IRON FENCE THAT ENCIRCLES THE PROPERTY THAT PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED SECURITY FOR THE AT AND T BUILDING THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. UM, SOMETHING ELSE I'LL MENTION THAT THIS REQUEST TO, UH, GAIN MORE CLEAR HEIGHT THAN GLEN HAVE A TALLER BUILDING THAT IS CONSIDERED A SINGLE-STORY BUILDING. THIS IS PRETTY COMMON FOR WAREHOUSES TODAY. UH, MOST RECENTLY IN 2020, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ONE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SHILOH AND BRECKENRIDGE, A FLEX WAREHOUSE BUILDING THERE. AND THEN AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THE AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER ALSO RECEIVED THE SAME EXCEPTION THROUGH THEIR PD. HERE'S ANOTHER ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING THAT BUILDING AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. THE CITY P THE CPC VOTED SEVEN OH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. UH, THE CITY HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IN RESPONSE TO THIS PUBLIC NOTICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION. YOU MAY APPROVE THE ZONING REQUESTS AND THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR AMENDED CONDITIONS OR DENIED THE REQUEST. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? THE STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. MS. ER HEY, MAYOR, JUST, I'M SORRY. ONE QUICK, QUICK QUESTION IF I COULD. DID ERICA? OH, YES, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND UP. APOLOGIZE. NO WORRIES. UM, SO DE UH, SEVERAL OF US GOT COMMENTS THAT SAID THAT, UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS CALLED FOR THIS SPACE TO BE A REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT PLACE TYPE, AND THAT IT IS NOT CALLED FOR AN INDUSTRIAL OR WAREHOUSE USE. BUT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAID THAT IT ACTUALLY IS ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. UM, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF THE, THE, THE HEIGHT COULD, SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? UH, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT. UM, YES. SO THE UNDERLYING ZONING, THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UM, IS WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT HERE. AND THAT IS IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS INDUSTRIAL, SO IT ALLOWS WAREHOUSE BY RIGHT. TODAY THEY'RE JUST SEEKING AN EXCEPTION TO THE HEIGHT LIMITATION. THEN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS BROADER, UH, HIGHER LEVEL, UH, DOES CALL [04:15:01] FOR REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT IN THIS AREA. SO THAT DOES NOT CALL OUT WAREHOUSE. UM, BUT IT, THIS IS AN AREA THAT HAS SEVERAL, UH, PARCELS THAT ARE STILL ZONED AS INDUSTRIAL. AND THE CURRENT DAY ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL IN THESE AREAS. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, UM, THE REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT PLACE TYPE IN WHICH THIS IS LOCATED, IT DOES IDENTIFY OFFICE AS A PRIMARY USE. UM, AND SO WHILE IT DOES NOT, LIKE DEREK SAID, DOES NOT CLEARLY CALL OUT WAREHOUSE AS A ENVISIONED USE, THE OFFICE USE IS ALLOWED, THIS BUILDING COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOMMO IT UP TO 50% OFFICE WITH HOW IT'S CURRENTLY PARKED AND POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE BACK. IT ALSO MENTIONS AS A SECONDARY USE MIXED USE BUILDING. SO I MEAN, IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT A, UM, YOU KNOW, A MIX OF OF, OF OFFICE AND, AND ANOTHER USE AND SUCH AS WAREHOUSE COULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY GO ON THIS SITE. UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING HAS EXISTED IN THIS AREA SINCE 1965, ALLOWS FOR, UM, THIS, UM, A WAREHOUSE USE BY WRIGHT. UM, AND THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, UM, THAT DO HAVE WAREHOUSE USES ON IT. MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN, DID YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP? NO, THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, NOT REALLY A QUESTION, JUST MORE OF A COMMENT ALONG THESE LINES. LIKE IT WAS APPARENT IN READING THAT THAT PART OF WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR GOALS IN ABOUT A MONTH OR SOMETHING THAT THAT, THAT WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT SORT OF HOW WE MARRY THE TWO. UM, YOU KNOW, I SAID SORT OF A, A ZONING UPDATE FOR SURE. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS BY MR. UM, BDA ABOUT SORT OF HOW THIS MEETS THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN MANY WAYS, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO, TO HAVE ON OUR LIST OF ABSOLUTELY, UH, TACTICS. AND I UNDERSTOOD THE APPLICANT WAS HERE. MM-HMM. LOVE TO, HE HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION, MAYOR. MM-HMM. . YEAH. LIKE IN THE P FRATERNITY, SIR? YES, SIR. YEAH. YEAH. UM, TODD MARANI WITH BOX INVESTMENT GROUP, DALLAS, TEXAS. UH, CURRENTLY PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING, UH, 30-YEAR-OLD OFFICE BUILDING HERE AT 2180 NORTH GLENVILLE DRIVE. UH, WE'VE SEEN THIS RENDERING BEFORE. UM, CERTAINLY WANTED TO FIT THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST AND THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO, UM, CURRENT LANDOWNERS HERE, MR. ROBERT MILLS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TAX RECORDS FOR 6.5 MILLION. UH, MR. ROBERT MILLS HAS INDICATED THAT, UH, BETWEEN FOUNDATION BETWEEN TENANT IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THE BUILDING'S ESSENTIALLY FAILING. THERE'D BE AN UPWARDS OF $8 MILLION TO IMPROVE AND OPERATE, UH, THE BUILDING AS IN, AS A OFFICE TODAY. SO, UH, REDEVELOPMENT IS IMMINENT, UH, BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE, WE WILL GET INTO KIND OF CURRENT VACANCY RATES FOR OFFICE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO ECONOMIC REASON TO INVEST AN ADDITIONAL $8 MILLION INTO A, AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN. UH, THIS WAS A, JUST A QUICK, THIS IS KIND OF THE WHY, WHY WE DEVELOPED, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE REPORT JLL DID FOR US, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT OFFICE VACANCY AND WE LOOKED AT, UM, OFFICE WAREHOUSE VACANCY. AND SO AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF OFFICE VACANCY IN RICHARDSON, THERE'S ABOUT 4.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET. THAT'S ABOUT 8.8 YEARS OF SUPPLY. UM, ON THE FLIP SIDE, ON THE OFFICE, WE'RE OUTSIDE, THERE'S ALMOST NO PRODUCT ON THE GROUND. SO, UM, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS DELIVER PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY. SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TENANTS THAT ARE MOVING AROUND. THERE'S A LOT OF TENANTS THAT WE WANT TO GROW AND RETAIN IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY THREE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE, UM, THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE A, A USER BETWEEN 50 AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. AND OF THOSE THREE, ONLY ONE WAS BUILT AFTER THE YEAR 2000. THESE ARE SOME EXISTING, YOU KNOW, OFFICE STOCK. UM, CURRENT ZONING MAP. UH, THIS WAS A CASE THAT I WORKED ON BACK IN 2020. SO, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR REQUEST, UH, THIS WAS ALSO AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT AT SHALLOW AND BRECKENRIDGE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FROM THE 25 FEET. WE ASKED FOR 48 FEET IN THAT EXAMPLE. BUT, UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE, THE DESIGN WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, IT, IT CERTAINLY FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ARTICULATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING TO THE EXTERIOR DESIGN TO KIND OF FIT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE THIS PROJECT, WHICH WAS SUPER SUCCESSFUL, THAT IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TAX RECORDS AT 25 MILLION, UH, GENERATES ABOUT $460,000 IN TOTAL TAX, UH, REVENUE FOR ALL TAXING DISTRICTS. SO THIS WAS AN INTERESTING SLIDE. WE'RE JUST SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, I I KIND OF BURIED OUR, OUR RENDERING AMONGST THESE, [04:20:01] UH, OTHER VALUE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE ALL BUILT BY THE SAME DEVELOPER IN TOWN. UH, HE IS ONE OF THE BEST, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA THINK THIS IS A VALUE OFFICE BUILDING. SO THAT'S THE INTENT. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE THERE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, BUT ALL THE OTHER ONES WERE BUILT. UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SAME TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, SIMILAR STYLE. SO, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF WHEN WE SAY OFFICE WAREHOUSE, KIND OF HOW WE'RE USING THE PROJECT IN OUR, ON OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. SO THIS IS A PROJECT WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON IN FLOWER MOUND. SO AGAIN, THE INTENT WAS WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY LAKESIDE PARKWAY, IT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING. UM, SITE PLAN IS JUST KIND OF INTERESTING JUST TO SEE HOW EFFICIENT THESE BUILDINGS ARE. AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD A LOT OF EFFICIENT OFFICE IN THIS SORT OF BLANK SLATE HERE. WE'VE GOT OFFICE, WE'VE GOT PRODUCTION, AND WE'VE GOT WAREHOUSE ALL WITHIN ONE FACILITY THAT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING FROM THE EXTERIOR. UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE, A LITTLE MORE WAREHOUSE-Y HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING ON MOST OF OUR NEW PROJECTS IS WE'RE BUILDING TWO STORY GLASS THAT ALLOWS IT TO LOOK AND FEEL LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING, BUT ALSO ACCOMMODATE MEZZANINE OFFICE. WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THAT IN THE METROPLEX. SO AS RENT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE, UM, TENANTS ARE WANTING TO GO VERTICAL. THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH CUBICLE SPACE ABOVE, UH, THE SINGLE STORY OFFICE. YOU SEE A LOT ON THE WEST COAST, BUT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IT, UH, HERE IN TEXAS. SO WE'RE DOING THAT AT ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE. IT'S 23% OFFICE AND ABOUT 4,400 SQUARE FEET OF, UM, SECOND STORY MEZZANINE OFFICE. THIS IS A PROJECT WE, WE BUILT IN DENTON, AGAIN, MORE WAREHOUSE-Y. THE INTENT HERE WAS JUST TO SHOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT LOOKS MORE WAREHOUSE-Y, BUT, UM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE HERE IS THE WAY THESE BUILDINGS ARE USED NOW IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE IN THE PAST. SO THIS PROJECT HAS, UH, SEVEN, UH, YOU KNOW, CALL IT 14,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE INSIDE OF A WAREHOUSE. SO THIS PARTICULAR TENANT, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY HAD AN OFFICE BUILDING IN ADDISON. THEY HAD A WAREHOUSE BUILDING IN WEST VIRGINIA, AND THEY HAD ANOTHER WAREHOUSE BUILDING IN DENTON, ALL CONSOLIDATING UNDER ONE ROOF. SO ACTUALLY THE RENT THAT THEY'RE PAYING TODAY IN THIS PRODUCT IS MORE THAN, UH, THE RENT YOU WOULD PAY IN A CLASS B OFFICE BUILDING. SO TENANTS ARE ELECTING, ACTUALLY, IT'S SORT OF A NEWER PRODUCT. TENANTS ARE ELECTING TO CONSOLIDATE OFFICE WITH THEIR WAREHOUSE FUNCTION INTO ONE BUILDING, BE MORE EFFICIENT HERE. THEY, THEY DID, UM, ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING IN THE WAREHOUSE. SO THAT'S A-H-V-A-C WAREHOUSE, SUPER BRIGHT WHITE. UM, IT'S AMAZING FACILITY, BUT AGAIN, THEY ELECTED TO DO MEZZANINE OFFICE. SO JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE BUILDINGS ARE BEING USED. THIS IS 30% OFFICE. UH, THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. SO, YOU KNOW, 8.3 ACRES, UH, GROSS ON THE SITE. WE'RE DEVELOPING ABOUT 5.93 ACRES. SO WE, WE ARE PRESERVING THAT GREEN SPACE, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT. UM, SO ABOUT 30% OF THE LAND AREAS BEING PRESERVED FOR GREEN SPACE. UH, TOTAL BUILDING AREA, 76,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S ABOUT 21% LOT COVERAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WE LIKE TO SOLVE TO 35 TO 40% LOT COVERAGE, UM, BASED ON THE OPEN, THE PRESERVED GREEN SPACE. AND THEN JUST THE GEOMETRY OF THE SITE. IT'S A, IT'S SOMEWHAT INEFFICIENT SITE, SO, WHICH IS TO THE GOOD. THERE'S JUST LESS BUILDING WE CAN PUT ON. IT JUST FEELS MORE OPEN AND GREEN. UM, THIS IS AN ELEVATION THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING. AGAIN, I, I THINK WE CAN ALL DO BETTER, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE ASKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. SO THIS, YOU KNOW, LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE A BUILDING THAT WAS, THAT WAS, IT'S PROBABLY A MODERN VERSION OF A A 1980S VINTAGE FLEX BUILDING. UH, THE FRONT, THIS IS THE BACK. AND THEN THIS IS A, A RENDERING OF, AGAIN, SORT OF EXISTING ZONING RIGHTS. THIS DOESN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE WANNA DO BETTER. UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO SOME, SOME TAX BENEFIT. THIS IS EXIST, THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS UNDER THE CURRENT PD, WE'VE SEEN THESE ELEVATIONS STAFF PRESENTED, UH, THE UPDATED RENDERING. SO WE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE THE EXTERIOR GLASS ON OUR, OUR BUILDING HERE. SO WE'RE DOING 25% GLASS ALONG THE FRONT. THAT'S ABOUT 3,600 SQUARE FEET OF GLASS. AGAIN, TWO STORIES WE CAN ACCEPT MEZZANINE, IT COULD BE A LOWER FINISH TENANT, IT COULD BE A HIGHER FINISH TENANT WHERE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING. IT'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF HOW WE DESIGN THE SITE ON A SPECULATIVE BASIS. WE'VE SEEN THIS RENDERING, UM, CERTAINLY FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS JUST THE INTERESTING SIDE BY SIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, TOP OPTION IS, IS EXISTING, UH, PD. AGAIN, WE WANNA DO BETTER. OPTION B, WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY, WE'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE HIGHER RENTAL RATES. IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, MORE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. I MEAN, ALL THE THINGS WORK IN OUR FAVOR. UM, THIS IS A, A TAX [04:25:01] ANALYSIS. SO, UM, THE BOTTOM SECTION IS JUST ALL THE DETAILS. SO IF YOU WANNA FOCUS JUST ON THE TOP PART OF THE CHART, BUT BASICALLY, UM, WORKING LEFT TO RIGHT ON THE LEFT WAS A, A 10 YEAR TAX FORECAST BASED ON THE, THE, THE PD, THE PD DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. SO, YOU KNOW, TOTAL TAXES GENERATED OVER 10 YEARS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT IS, IS TOTAL OF $4.8 MILLION, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON OR WITHIN RICHARDSON. ISD IS $2.5 MILLION. CITY OF RICHARDSON, 1.2 MILLION. UM, JUST THE, THERE'S THE THREE COLUMNS TO THE RIGHT. SO THE CURRENT TAX RATE THAT'S BASED ON, UH, CURRENT TAX VALUE, WHAT IT IS TODAY THAT'S UNDER REVIEW. SO THAT LIKELY WILL, WILL DECREASE BASED ON THE, THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE OFFICE BUILDING. UM, THE MIDDLE COLUMN IS, IS WHAT WE BELIEVE THE, YOU KNOW, UNDER EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, THE FORECASTED VALUE, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 20% DISCOUNT TO THE PD DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT? SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE THIRD COLUMN IS WHAT OUR FORECASTED VALUE IS BASED ON, UM, THE RENTAL RATES THAT WE THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE IN THAT SUPERIOR BUILDING WITH THAT ADDITIONAL GLASS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT MUCH MORE OFFICE SPACE. UM, BASICALLY THE DELTA BETWEEN THE, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND THE PD, UH, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IS ABOUT $95,000 ANNUALLY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 95,000 INCREASE JUST BY, YOU KNOW, IN OUR OPINION, INCREASING THE, THE HEIGHT FROM 25 FEET TO 45 FEET. AND THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, DOREEN. THANK YOU. I, UH, AND, UH, GIVE ME YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE. SURE. TODD MARANI. OKAY. WELL, YOU JUST ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ON THE HEIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION THAT YOUR REQUEST OR, UH, REQUESTING A 45 FOOT HEIGHT. YES, SIR. UM, THIS IS OFFICE, WAREHOUSE, AND OR SHOWROOM. YES. DO YOU ALREADY HAVE TENANTS LINED UP OR, OR PROPOSED TENANTS THAT YOU'VE PITCHED THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT TO? OR IS IT YOU JUST BILLING IT AND HOPE THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA COME DURING THE THAT'S RIGHT. PROCESS'S, RIGHT? YEAH, WE, WE BUILD IT ALL SPECULATIVELY WITH TYPICALLY HOW MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE DONE. SO WE THINK JUST GIVEN THAT THERE'S LIMITED SUPPLY IN RICHARDSON, A TENANT WILL COME ALONG PRETTY QUICKLY. YOU, ARE YOU EXPECTING ONE TENANT OR ARE YOU GONNA SUBDIVIDED INTO MULTIPLE? YEAH, SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THREE STOREFRONTS WE'D LIKE TO, FOR IT TO BE A SINGLE TENANT. UM, THOSE THREE EXAMPLES THAT I GAVE YOU, ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS WERE DESIGNED TO BE MULTI-TENANT. ALL OF 'EM WERE SINGLE TENANT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING THESE TENANTS BECOME, YOU KNOW, BIGGER AND TAKE FULL BUILDINGS. OKAY. AND THEN ON, IS THIS A, A, A, A TRUE ESTIMATED RENDERING FOR THE TYPE OF LANDSCAPING AND GREEN SPACE THAT WILL BE PROVIDED OR JUST THIS IS JUST A, A MAKEUP? YEP. OKAY. THE, THE BUILDING IS TRUE RENDERING PER THE ELEVATIONS. AND, UM, THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN OR JUST THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING DONE BY THE ARCHITECT AS YOU CAN APPRECIATE, BUT THERE WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE? YES. OKAY. YES. ON, 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON A CORNER. IT'S, IT'S, IT SEEMS TO ME, TO ME IT'S IMPORTANT OF, OF COURSE, HAVE THAT GREEN SPACE AND, UH, LET IT BLEND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE OTHER THING, UM, IS DO YOU ANTICIPATE, UH, OR WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE, UH, STARTING, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND WE'LL DEMO ONE AND WHEN DO YOU, UH, POTENTIALLY LOOK AT BREAKING GROUND? I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO PERMITS, WHICH IN MY EXPERIENCE IN RICHARDSON, IT'S VERY FAST. UM, YES. YOU KNOW, BY, BY THE END OF THE YEAR WOULD BE, YEAH, THIS YEAR BREAKING GROUND THIS YEAR. AND THAT WOULD BE A, A, A DEMO AND BREAKING GROUND SIMULTANEOUSLY, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER SCH. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. WELL, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING RICHARDSON SURE. FOR YOUR INVESTMENT. NOW, WHO, CAN YOU TELL ME JUST, OR GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLE WHO, UH, WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL OR PROSPECTIVE TENANT FOR THIS KIND OF STRUCTURES? SURE. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WAS JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH, UM, SO I CAN GET, I CAN TELL YOU JUST SOME OF OUR, UH, TENANTS. SO, UM, THE FLOWER MOUNT PROJECT, THE COMPANY CALLED ALFRED MEDIA, UM, THEY DO, YOU KNOW, HIGH-END, UM, MEDIA SET UP FOR CONVENTIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A BIG SALES FORCE THAT WORKS IN THE OFFICE, AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THEIR, UH, THEIR EQUIPMENT, THEIR CAMERA LIGHTING EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THE, THE WAREHOUSE. UM, I COULD SEE A DEFENSE [04:30:01] CONTRACTOR. CERTAINLY WE KNOW WHO THAT COULD BE IN RICHARDSON. UM, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DENTON PROJECT IS A, A COMPANY CALLED GROUP CVS. THEY DO, UM, ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING. SO MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING AND THEN, UH, SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR THAT, THAT BUSINESS. LET'S SEE, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH OUR ROSTER. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD BE RD, IT COULD BE LIFE SCIENCES, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SEMICONDUCTOR. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT COULD BE A WIDE GAMUT OF, OF TENANTS. I MEAN THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT THE HARDEST QUESTION TO ANSWER ON THESE, WHAT WE CALL SHALLOW BAY, UM, OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SO BROAD AND THAT'S WHY WE LIKE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, BUILD TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY USES AS POSSIBLE. HOW, SO YOU'RE EXPECTING 18 WHEELER DRIVING FROM THIS PROPERTY. IT'S DESIGNED FOR 18 WHEELER ALSO, RIGHT? IT COULD, IT COULD ACCOMMODATE 18 WHEELER. CORRECT. BUT I DON'T THINK THE LOCATION REALLY PROMOTES THAT. UM, BUT YES, IT COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT. I MEAN, HOW DO, YOU SAID THAT THE LOCATION IS NOT PROMOTING THAT IT HAS, IT HAS THE ROAD, NOW YOU HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, YOU CAN DRIVE INSIDE THE BUILDING. SURE. IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR 18 WHEELER. TO ME. MOST CERTAINLY, MOST CERTAINLY. I JUST THINK THAT YEAH, YOU'RE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE A, A THREE PL TYPE TENANT THAT'S GONNA HAVE LOTS OF 18 WHEELERS. SO IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, ONE 18 WHEELER THAT'S BRINGING IN PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, ONCE A WEEK. AND THEN FROM THERE IT'S BOX TRUCKS THAT, THAT TAKE PRODUCT BACK OUT. SO HOW MANY 18 WHEELER CAN FIT INTO THAT? UM, I GUESS IT'S, I SEE YOU HAVE 156 KNOBS REGULAR CAR, BUT IF IT IS, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DOCKS WE HAVE. I THINK IT WAS 22. 22. THANK YOU. SO YOU CAN, IT CAN HAVE UP TO 2218 WHEELER. YES, SIR. SET THERE ONE TIME. YES. THANK YOU. YEP. CAN YOU HELP CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT ON, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITE AND, AND THE REASON WHY YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE LESS LIKELY THAT THERE'D BE A BUNCH OF 18 WHEELERS THERE? COULD YOU, IT'S NOT MY SPECIALTY, SO I'M NOT SURE. SURE. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MAKES THIS SITE SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T WORK OUT SO MUCH FOR 18 WHEELERS? I, I, I THINK IT, IT CAN ACCOMMODATE 18 WHEELERS, CERTAINLY BASED ON THE SURE. THE LOCATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A, A HEAVY TRUCK USER, I, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, MAKING A RIGHT OFF 75 ON CAMPBELL, THEN MAKING A LEFT, MAKE ANOTHER, RIGHT. YOU'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE MOVEMENT. SO IT TENDS TO BE A TENANT THAT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH TRUCK MOVEMENT. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, 18 MIL THAT COMES AND DELIVERS PRODUCT AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BOX TRUCKS THAT ARE MOVING PRODUCT IN AND OUT. BUT IT JUST, TO ME, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOCATION WHERE IT'S GONNA BE THAT THREE PL TYPE TRUCK USER. IT'S GONNA BE SOMEBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DELIVERING PRODUCTS TO THE WAREHOUSE. THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, BE DOING RESEARCH OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF WIDGET INSIDE THERE. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING. IT'S JUST MY OPINION. YEAH. UM, SO, ALRIGHT. UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S AN OPEN HEARING, SO A PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, MAYOR. ALRIGHT. WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. I SEE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. RICHARD STECKER 28 0 9, FOX CREEK DRIVE. EXCUSE ME. YEAH, THIS IS A BUILDING IS JUST NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I, AND I DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A DOG IN THIS HUNT, SO, UH, I'M NEUTRAL ON THIS, BUT, UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS ON LOOKOUT AND PLANO ROAD, WE HAVE A LOGISTICS CENTER OVER THERE THAT HAS A BUNCH OF BAYS AND IT'S GONNA HAVE 18 WHEELERS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENT ABOUT 75, YOU KNOW, UH, NEGOTIATING THAT IS GOING TO BE NEGOTIATED OVER THERE AT THE LOOKOUT CENTER LOGISTICS CENTER ANYWAY, SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW, UH, OCCUPIED THAT LOGISTICS CENTER IS RIGHT NOW. UM, FRANKLY I DON'T SEE ANY TRAFFIC THERE AT ALL. UH, IT IS MORE WAREHOUSE LIKE, BUT SOME OF THE, UH, EXAMPLES THAT THE APPLICANT WAS SHOWING HER WAREHOUSE, LIKE TO COUNCILMAN SAM'S, UH, POINT, UH, 22, UH, 18 WHEELERS IS 2218 WHEELERS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF BAYS, AGAIN AT THE LOGISTICS CENTER, THERE'S QUITE A FEW THERE AS WELL. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, IF IT DOES BECOME MORE OF A WAREHOUSE THAN AN OFFICE BUILDING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF TRAFFIC BOTH FROM THE LOGISTICS CENTER, WHICH, UH, HAS BEEN BUILT AND IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SITTING VACANT RIGHT NOW. [04:35:01] AND NOW YOU'RE JUST ADDING TO THAT SAME SITUATION. SO, AGAIN, I'M NEUTRAL ON THIS, BUT, UH, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW MANY, UH, THE LOGISTICS CENTER OVER THERE ALSO HAS SOME OFFICE SPACE ON THE BACKSIDE. YOU DON'T SEE IT TOO MUCH FROM LOOKOUT DRIVE GOING TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, FIRE, UM, TRAINING CENTER THERE OR ALONG PLANO ROAD. BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY DRIVE INTO THERE AND LOOK ON THE BACKSIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME GLASS AND SOME OFFICE SPACE THERE AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. TRICKER. UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED BASE OR SO AT THE, UH, AT THE, UH, LOGISTICS CENTER. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE A DESIRE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN MY MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WONDERFUL. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN WITH THE MOTION. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. ALRIGHT, SO THAT IS A SIX ZERO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER. UH, BARRIOS NOT HERE. ALRIGHT. ANY CONVERSATION AROUND THIS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DOAN? UM, READY? ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? I THINK THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME CONVERSATION FIRST, BUT THERE MAY NOT BE. OKAY. UH, YEAH, I THINK I DO, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE PROFIT THERE. 18 WHEELERS. UH, THIS ROAD IS GONNA BE, I MEAN, IT'S DESIGNED FOR 2218 WHEELER, I WOULD NOT ASSUME OTHERWISE. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, GREEN GREENVILLE IS, IS PRETTY BUSY SOMETIMES, AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THE ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, NOT DESIGNED FOR THIS 18 WHEELER THAT MANY THERE. SO, UH, I'M JUST PUTTING LIKE MY OPINION, UH, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. YEAH, I THINK THE LOOKOUT LOGISTICS CENTER, OTHERS MAY HAVE OTHER OPINIONS ON THIS OR OTHER COMMENTS, BUT THE LOOKOUT LOGISTICS CENTER IS A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD THING TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE WHERE THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR THAT CAME UP HERE AND WAS REJECTED AND THEN THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND BUILT IT ANYWAY AND JUST BASICALLY SUNK IT UNDERGROUND AND GOT THE HEIGHT THEY WANTED AND WE GOT THE 18 WHEELERS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF CONTROL OR STAFF DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH LEVERAGE WITH THAT PROJECT TO BEGIN WITH. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S STILL THERE EVEN AFTER COUNCIL REJECTED IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THIS, THIS DEVELOPER CAME IN, HAS THIS REALLY NICE PRESENTATION AND CAME IN WITH SORT OF THE, THE CHART OF THE TAX BENEFIT TO ALL THE TAXING ENTITIES. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT WAS A, IT WAS A COMMENT IN NEUTRALITY FROM MR. STECKER, BUT I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION 18 WHEELERS, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THIS IS A WAREHOUSE NOW, IT CAN BE A WAREHOUSE IN THE FUTURE, AND 18 WHEELERS CAN COME AND GO FROM THIS ONCE THEY REFURBISH IT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE APPROVE THE HEIGHT OR NOT. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST APPROVE THE HEIGHT, GET THE EXTRA MONEY TO OUR BOTTOM LINE AND EVERYONE'S HAPPY. DID YOU SAY IT'S A WAREHOUSE TODAY? THE CURRENT WELL BUILDING NO, I'M SORRY, WHAT I MEAN IS THAT IT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO MAKE A WAREHOUSE. OKAY, GOT IT. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, I AGREE. AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CORCORAN ON THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT, THEY CAN PUT A WAREHOUSE HERE IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY COULD PUT THIS ONE STORY PRODUCT, WHICH IS REALLY NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE AREA, UH, AND STILL HAVE 22 TRUCKS COME TO THAT SITE. UM, SO I'M, I AM, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T MEET THE REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT, YOU KNOW, PORTION OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS I COMMENTED EARLIER, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT DURING OUR GOAL SETTING, UM, SESSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA CREATE A TACTIC TO LOOK AT OUR ZONING TO MATCH WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. UM, AND, AND THEY'RE COMING IN WITH A RENDERING THAT, THAT DOES FIT THE SPIRIT OF, UH, OFFICE REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT, UM, FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD RATHER HAVE A PRODUCT THAT, THAT WE LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS THAN POTENTIALLY, UM, SORT OF HAVE THEM DO, DO WHATEVER THEY WANT ANYWAY AND IT NOT BE A PRODUCT THAT, THAT WE WANNA DRIVE BY EVERY TIME WE'RE COMING TO A COUNCIL MEETING. UNDERSTOOD. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, OR WERE YOU ABOUT TO MAKE A MOTION? I WAS, UH, I MEAN I WAS ALSO GONNA MAKE A COMMENT. OH. IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A COMMENT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THE COMMENT. WE'LL DO THE MOTION AS SOON AS ALL THE COMMENTS ARE DONE. YES, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. THE, UH, THE COMMENT IS, IS TO, I AGREE, UH, THEY COULD COME IN AND, AND DECIDE TO BILL, UM, THE WAREHOUSE OFFICE SPACE IF THEY LIKE. AT LEAST RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY IN HOW WE, UH, HOW WE, UH, ELEVATE THIS AREA. YEP. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUL JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. UH, [04:40:01] YES, I DO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER AREA THAT TOPOGRAPHIC WAS SUCH THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD PLAY WITH THAT TOPOGRAPHY AND THEY COULD GET, GAIN THAT EXTRA HEIGHT. WITHOUT THE EXTRA HEIGHT. YOU CAN'T REALLY BRING YOUR 18 WHEELER THAT OFTEN MAKE IT LIKE 18 WHEELER FRIENDLY DESIGN. SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE IS ON THIS, THEY CAN'T DO THAT. SO WITH THAT OTHER ONE I WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED DEFINITELY, BUT WITH THIS ONE I WOULD NOT SUPPORT BECAUSE, UH, THEY CAN BUILD IT, BUT THE, THE STRUCTURE WILL DISCOURAGE THEM TO BRING MORE 18 WHEELER OTHER THAN OCCASIONAL. AND, UH, THE ROAD WOULD BE MUCH SAFER WITH THAT. I THINK, I THINK I WOULD BE STILL NOT SUPPORTING THIS THING. JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, PERHAPS FROM STAFF, IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BAYS IF THE COUNCIL WERE OF THAT MIND FRAME? IS THAT A THING WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IN, IN, UH, IN THIS SORT OF A OPPORTUNITY VIA THE ZONING? YEAH, I, I, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT ABILITY WE HAVE, IF ANY, TO RESTRICT THE NUMBERS. SOUNDS LIKE THE INTENT OR THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MANY 18 WHEELERS. PERHAPS THERE'S SOME SORT OF ABILITY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BAYS AND MM-HMM . WE CAN FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE IF THAT WERE THE CASE MAYBE. SURE. UM, YOU KNOW, I, THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WON'T WANNA RESPOND TO. I MEAN, I THINK IF THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO, UM, THEIR PROJECT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MAY, THEY MAY OPT TO BUILD THE ONE STORY AND HAVE THE 22 BAYS. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S VERY RARE, UM, IN THESE BUILDINGS AND I, WE COULD, WE COULD TOUR MANY OF THEM. , IT'S VERY RARE THAT EVERY BAY IS ACCESSIBLE. I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T FINISH OUT A SPACE, UM, AND HAVE EVERY BAY ACCESSIBLE. I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE BACK OF THESE OPERATIONS. UM, AND SO WHILE THE BAYS ARE THERE, THEY'RE GENERALLY THERE TO PROVIDE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY FOR THE TENANT FINISH OUT BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT A BAY HERE, HERE AND HERE AND THEN BUILD THE FINISH OUT AROUND THAT. THERE ARE SO MANY BAYS BECAUSE, UM, YOU JUST DON'T, YOU DON'T KNOW GOING INTO IT WHAT THE TENANT'S NEEDS WILL BE. YOU DON'T KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TENANTS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE. IF IT'S GONNA BE ONE TENANT, WHAT THAT FINISH OUT WILL LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE TOURED, UH, THE TRAMMELL CROW PROJECT AND, AND YOU KNOW, MARY, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE, THERE WERE CLOSE TO, I THINK THERE WAS 90 SOME ODD BAYS THERE, BUT THEY'RE ALL NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZED. IT'S, IT'S JUST THE, THE TENANT SPACES DON'T FINISH OUT THAT WAY. AND TO MR. STRYKER'S POINT, THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE ANY, ANY OFFICE SPACE IS BECAUSE TRAMMELL CROW DID EXACTLY, UM, WHAT ANY PROPERTY OWNER DEVELOPING INDUSTRIAL IS GONNA DO RIGHT NOW. INDUSTRIAL IS SO VALUABLE. THEY'RE, THEY WENT AND FIGURED OUT A WAY TO DO IT BY, RIGHT. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TO MR. TRICKER'S POINT, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, NOT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND SO, UH, TO, TO BOTH, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, CORCORAN AND COUNCILMAN JUSTICE COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A, A LEGITIMATE CONSIDERATION AS WELL. WHAT DO WE WANT FACING GLENVILLE AND GREENVILLE COUNCIL MEMBER SEL, JUST JUST TO COMMENT HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT IF THERE WERE LIKE MULTIPLE TENANT THERE, THEN DEFINITELY THERE WOULD BE LESS 18 WHEELER. BUT IF THERE IS LIKE SOMEONE LIKE AMAZON COMES AND RENDER THE WHOLE THING AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE DISTRIBUTION CENTER. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T REALLY STOP THEM HAVING 22 STANDBY 18 WHEELER. SURE. SO TALKING ABOUT THOSE SPECIAL CASE, UM, IF YOU IF YOU CAN LIMIT THAT, OKAY, IF THERE IS A SINGLE TENANT, TAKE THE WHOLE THING, THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 12. BUT IF THERE IS LIKE 22 INDIVIDUAL TENANT COMES, YEAH, OF COURSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR BAY. BUT MY CONCERN IS LIKE BRINGING ONE TENANT, THIS BECOME LIKE A AMAZON LIKE DISTRIBUTION CENTER. AND THEN IT GOES FROM, SO, SO JUST MY LAST COMMENT, AND AGAIN, IF YOU WANNA ASK THE TENANT WHETHER HE IS OPEN TO THAT OR NOT, BUT I MEAN IT, YOU CAN HAVE 12 BAYS AND YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY TRA YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY TRIPS IN A DAY AS YOU, IF YOU HAVE 22 BAYS. I MEAN, I THINK IF THE TRIP COUNT, WE, WE ASKED FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, IT PRODUCES A TRIP COUNT. UH, THAT TRIP COUNT CAN BE, CAN BE THE SAME WHETHER YOU HAVE 22 BAYS OR 12 BAYS. SO I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE NUMBER OF BAY DOORS IS WHAT IS GONNA DRIVE THAT. IT'S GONNA BE TO THE, TO THE COMMENTS EARLIER, IT'S GONNA BE THE TENANT OR TENANTS IN THE BUILDING. AND WHAT ARE THEIR OPERATIONS? IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SHILOH PROPERTY, FOR INSTANCE, IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. THE MOTOROLA CASE, THEY ESSENTIALLY HAD ONE SEMI COME IN A WEEK. UM, AND THAT WAS IT. THAT, THAT COULD BE FOUR, THE FIVE OF THESE BAYS. AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S HARD. IT'S A, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NONE OF US A CLEAR VOID. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T PREDICT WHO'S GONNA GO IN HERE AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT'S GONNA HAVE. BUT I WOULD SAY I DON'T THINK ALL 22 BAYS ARE GONNA BE USED. THE SPACE JUST DOESN'T FINISH [04:45:01] OUT THAT WAY. UH, SO, AND MAYOR, IF YOU, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE THE LATITUDE TO CALL, THE NO MOTION IS NOT ON THE TABLE. SO YOU HAVE THE LATITUDE TO CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP AND ASK HIM IF, UH, UH, UH, QUESTIONS ALONG THAT LINE IF YOU WANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP UP AND PERHAPS GIVE YOUR 2 CENTS ON THIS BEFORE WE YEAH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT. AND, UM, WHAT TYPE OF TENANT'S GONNA SHOW UP? CERTAINLY, I DON'T WANNA MISREPRESENT. WE DO HAVE 22 DOCTORS, SO THEORETICALLY THERE COULD BE 22 TRUCKS THAT SHOW UP. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT BASED ON THE RENTAL RATES THAT WE'RE UNDERWRITING, BASED ON THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE IN, THAT THAT TYPE OF TENANT IS WHO IS GONNA RENT SPACE FROM OUR BUILDING. TYPICALLY, YOU WOULD SEE THAT TYPE OF TENANT, UH, RENT IN A, NOT A LOWER RENT BUILDING, BUT, UM, JUST A DIFFERENT AREA. I MEAN, THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AREA. THIS IS A DYNAMIC. THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN PRODUCE THIS TYPE OF BUILDING WHERE YOU CAN UNDERWRITE THOSE BIG RENTS TO GENERATE THAT TAX REVENUE. UM, IN TERMS OF REDUCING DOCK DOORS, UM, CERTAINLY WHAT MY HESITATION THERE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING IT SPECULATIVELY. WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AS MANY USERS AS POSSIBLE. AND WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ONLY TO MISS OUT ON TENANTS BECAUSE I MADE THE DECISION TO ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, FOUR DOCK DOORS. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S GONNA HAVE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON, ON THE AREA. SO I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE COMMENT THAT'S, UM, MY FORMAL RESPONSE. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT, SO IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE TENANT, WOULD YOU BE OKAY TO LIMIT? IT CAN BUILD ALL 22, BUT IF IT IS A SINGLE TENANT LIMIT, THE NUMBER OF THERE COULD BE USED. SO, UM, RESPECTFULLY, JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO NOT TO LIMIT OPERATIONS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE TENANT THAT'S GONNA COME ALONG. I HESITATE TO ASK SOMEBODY TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THEIR RENT AND THEN TELL THEM HOW THEY'RE GONNA USE THEIR SPACE, IS KIND OF WHERE I FALL IN THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE I GAVE IN DENTON, UM, THAT WAS 40,000 SQUARE FEET. THE TENANT OCCUPIES THE WHOLE BUILDING. THEY USE TWO DOCK DOORS, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT HVAC WAREHOUSE. I THINK THAT'S VERY COMMON. THE PROJECT IN FLYER MOUND THAT'S GOT, UM, IT'S EITHER 12 OR 14 DOCK DOORS. WE PUT, UM, EIGHT DOCK PACKAGES ON THAT, THAT BUILDING THAT'S ON 80,000 SQUARE FEET. SO, UM, UH, IT IS VERY COMMON THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE ALL THE, THE, UH, DOCK DOORS. WE CERTAINLY DESIGN IT TO WHERE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? OKAY, HEARING NONE, I, I'LL JUST MAKE ONE STATEMENT AND THEN I'LL BE OPEN TO A MOTION. UM, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS JUSTICE'S INITIAL, UH, DESIRE TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE RELATED TO ALL THE OTHER WORK THAT WE SHOULD DO. THIS, THIS IS AS MUCH A REMINDER AS ANY THAT, THAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO, UM, I VERY MUCH SECOND THE THOUGHT PROCESS. UM, AND I PREFER SOMETHING LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE VERSUS, UH, A SCENARIO WHERE WE DON'T GET TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT. SO, UH, I'D ACTUALLY BE IN FAVOR OF THIS AS WELL. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. ALRIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH ZERO NINE AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TECH OF TEXAS AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AS HERE, HERE TO, FOR AMENDED TO GRANT A CHANGE AND ZONING FROM ONE M INDUSTRIAL TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ONE M INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, INCLUDING A CONCEPT PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR AN 8.3 ACRE LOT. LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GLENVILLE DRIVE AND GLENVILLE GREENVILLE AVENUE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. WONDERFUL. UH, SEE A MOTION AND COUNCILMAN CORCORAN SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE FIVE IN FAVOR, COUNCILMAN, UH, OU IS, UH, AGAINST, WITH COUNCILMAN BARRIOS BEING ABSENT. ALRIGHT. PASSES, GO FORTH AND CONQUER AND WE WILL MOVE ON, UH, [10. CONSENT AGENDA] TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I SEE LIGHTS ON. SO LET'S GO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. WE, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS PUBLISHED. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL JUSTICE. SECOND. SECOND BY CORCORAN. ALL IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT, IT'S UNANIMOUS. UH, MINUS COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. [04:50:01] ANY REPORTS [11. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE? YES, I'M VERY SORRY. I'VE BEEN EXCITED TO SAY THIS ALL NIGHT AND IT WOULD BE TERRIBLE IF WE DIDN'T. UM, OUR VERY OWN CHAIR OF OUR CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, SANDY POLISH'S SON, JACOB POLISH, MADE HIS BIG LEAGUE DEBUT THIS WEEK AND HE WAS CALLED UP FROM THE MINORS AND HE GOT TO PITCH IN A GAME FOR THE WHITE SOX. UM, SO REALLY, REALLY AWESOME, SUPER PROUD OF THE HOMETOWN BOY LIVES AND THEY LIVE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE THEIR HOUSE FROM WHERE I LIVE. AND SO I WAS FOLLOWING IT ALL WEEKEND AND JUST SORT OF FEELING THEIR JOY THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO JACOB AND SANDY AND TERRY AND THE WHOLE FAMILY. UM, SUPER, SUPER COOL TO BE ABLE TO, TO CHEER ON OUR TOMBOY. YEP. WE'VE REACHED, I ALSO WOULD MENTION THAT HE WENT TO TEXAS A AND M FOR HIS COLLEGE BASEBALL CAREER. JUST HAD TO MENTION HIS DOMINANT COLLEGE CAREER. HE WAS AT DAN BEFORE, BUT WHATEVER , UH, UH, WE BELIEVE HE MIGHT BE BACK IN TOWN IN SEPTEMBER AND THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, UH, HONOR HIM HERE AS WELL. UH, SO EXCITING TO TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WITH THE, A PICTURE I GOT WITH HIM ON NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS WAY MORE EXCITING. THAT'S PROBABLY WAY MORE EXCITING. THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGER HONOR, I'M SURE. UH, ANY OTHER ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, I WILL, UH, GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER MSU OH, WELL I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA MENTION THAT. SO GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I'D RATHER DO IT. FINE. WE CELEBRATED, UH, THE 100 YEARS OF RESEARCH THAT WAS, UH, UH, INCORPORATED. YEAH, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS SUCH AN IMPORTANT OCCASION THAT WE CELEBRATED IT TWICE. TWICE AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, UH, SHA AND AND JUSTICE CAME OUT AND, AND MET WITH, UH, THE MERCHANTS AND, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEWHERE AROUND 30 OR 40, I HEAR, UH, HAD TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT EARLY, BUT, UM, RESIDENTS THAT EN SEEM TO REALLY ENJOY LEARNING ABOUT THE HISTORY AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. AND THEN EARLIER TODAY WE DID THE PLAQUE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE TEAM AND STAFF AND THE FORMER COUNCIL AND FORMER MAYOR FOR ALLOWING ALL THAT TO HAPPEN. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, DID YOU HAVE A, ANOTHER ITEM YOU WANTED TO SAY? YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, UM, IN ADDITION, UM, OUR MAYOR, MYSELF, COUNCILMAN, UH, SHOUL AND COUNCILMAN JUSTICE ATTENDED THE WORLD, UH, REFUGEE DAY AT THE, UH, INT ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON. SO GREAT TURNOUT, THE VERY FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN HELD HERE IN RICHARDSON AT THE MOSQUE. AND ANYWAY, IT WAS, UM, REALLY A, A GOOD TURNOUT AND, AND PEOPLE WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF, OF UH, HOW HELPFUL IT IS FOR REFUGEES. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ONE YEAH. THING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO DR. BUTLER ABOUT THE HISTORY OF RICHARDSON, SO HE DID MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, UH, RICHARDSON WAS FOUNDED 150 YEARS AGO, BUT IT WAS A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT WAS, THAT FILED FOR THE MUNICIPALITY INCORPORATION. SO THE REASON BEHIND WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GUY, CIVIL ENGINEER, HE WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, TO GET WATER SO YOU HAVE TO FILE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE BOND AND ALL THIS. SO THIS, UH, FILING FOR INCORPORATION WOULD HELP. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DR. BUTLER SAY. I DIDN'T SAY IT, UH, BUT IT WAS, UH, IT WAS BY A CIVIL ENGINEER. THANK YOU. CIVIL ENGINEERS AND WATER. ALRIGHT, IF NOTHING ELSE, UH, WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT EXACTLY 11:00 PM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.