Jul 01, 2025 City Planning Commission Meetings

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, SO, UH, THIS IS OUR PUBLIC FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

I, I'M SORRY.

ALRIGHT, ONE QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER KELLER.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, THE BILL TWO ZONE.

UM, WHAT IS THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE BILL TWO ON SHERMAN STREET? THAT BILL TWO ZONE STARTS AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

IT GOES BACK 15 FEET AND 75% OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN THAT BILL TWO ZONE WITH THE INTENT OF BRINGING THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET EDGE.

EDGE THIS, UH, EXISTING BUILDING IS THIS? WE DO HAVE THAT 40 FEET.

AND DO WE KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW FAR FROM THE STREET

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IT'S SET BACK 40 FEET TODAY.

AND THEN ONE OTHER, UH, QUICK QUESTION I HAD, AND I KNOW YOU'VE, UH, OR CITY STAFF AT LEAST, HAS ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE AND, AND OTHER MEETINGS.

BUT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, CONCEPT, CAN YOU KIND OF EXPAND UPON WHEN THAT COMES INTO PLAY AND, AND WHY THAT'S COMING INTO PLAY HERE? SO THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMES INTO PLAY WHEN THERE'S DEVELOPMENT ON A SITE, WHETHER THAT'S REDEVELOPMENT OR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT'S NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEY CAN'T MEET THE, UH, STANDARDS OF THAT FORM-BASED CODE FOR THE BUILDING DESIGN AND THE SITE DESIGN, THEN THEY BRING THAT ENTIRE PROJECT THROUGH, THROUGH A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEY, UH, UH, ITEMIZE THOSE EXCEPTIONS THEY'RE REQUESTING.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO REDEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPING OR THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF AN EXISTING SITE, IF THEY ARE ADDING ONTO THAT SITE MAKING MODIFICATIONS, THEN THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO ADDRESS THOSE NONCONFORMITIES AND, AND TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONS APPROVED THROUGH A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THIS DURING THE BRIEFING SESSION, BUT THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS THE ADDITION OF THE PATIO.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PATIO MAKING THAT MODIFICATION ON THE SITE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

IF THEY WERE JUST, UH, OCCUPYING THE RESTAURANT AS A, A TYPICAL SIT DOWN RESTAURANT WITH NO DRIVE THROUGH, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RYAN WITH NO SITE MODIFICATIONS.

I WANTED TO POINT OUT TOO THAT THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS LIMITED TO I AT RESTAURANT, BUT THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL RUN WITH THE LAND FOREVER.

SO UNTIL SOMETHING CHANGES WHERE THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, WANT TO INCREASE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED WITH THIS EVEN MORE, UM, THEN THEY WOULD NEED AN AMENDMENT TO THAT SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

BUT OTHERWISE, IF APPROVED TONIGHT, THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL, WILL RUN WITH THE LAND WHILE THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS ONLY TIED TO I RESTAURANT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

LIKE I'M SAYING, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND AND WE'D ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND MAKE ANY STATEMENTS THEY HAVE TO MAKE.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINI.

I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER AND I REPRESENT, UH, THE GIBBONS AND ALSO IAT.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU.

JOHN, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS FOR RECORD? UH, SURE.

IT'S 1 0 5 7 SOUTH SHERMAN STREET, SUITE 300 RICHARDSON 7 5 0 8 1.

UH, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE RESTAURANT? I, I, WE READ THAT THEY WERE, UM, A NEW, NEW ENTRY INTO THE MARKET.

YEAH, SURE.

SO, UH, WENDY'S WAS FOR, UH, FOR LEASE FOR SOME TIME.

AND THE REASON IT WAS CLOSED DOWN FOR SO LONG IS BECAUSE WENDY'S CORPORATE PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON IT THAT YOU COULDN'T SELL HAMBURGERS.

MORE THAN 15% OF YOUR SALES COULD NOT BE HAMBURGERS.

SO IT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR THE REAL ESTATE BROKER THAT WAS MARKETING IT AT THE TIME TO GET ANOTHER CH CHAIN TO COME IN THERE AND GET THE PROPERTY LEASED UP.

SO WE CONVINCED THEM THAT WE COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY GET A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RESTAURANT IN THERE THAT DIDN'T SELL HAMBURGERS.

AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE WENDY'S CORPORATE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT, AND WE WOUND UP PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE SECURED A LEASE WITH A, A GROUP OUT OF THE NORTHEAST UP IN NEW YORK THAT HAS, UM, BETWEEN 13 AND 16 RE UH, MEDITERRANEAN STYLE RESTAURANTS.

AND SO THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN COMING HERE.

SO THEY'VE GOT AN EXPRESS VERSION OF THEIR SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING TO HAVE THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR IT.

THEY JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE BOTH SIT DOWN AND DRIVE THROUGH.

AND, UH, MAYBE JUST EXPAND ON THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH AND WHAT THE INTENT AND PLAN IS FOR THAT.

YEAH, SURE.

SO ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT THE, THE RESTAURANT, UH, OWNERS DISCOVERED IS THAT DURING COVID IT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR THEM TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH PORTION.

AND SO NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA EVER EXPERIENCE COVID AGAIN, HOPEFULLY, BUT THEY FOUND THAT THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT AS A OPTION FOR THEM.

SO THEY WANTED TO EXPAND ON THAT SOME MORE HERE IN THE EVENT THAT ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

BUT ALSO TO, TO HAVE THE OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO EITHER CALL IT IN AND PICK IT UP AND OR TO ORDER AND HAVE A QUICK VERSION OF THE, THE MEDITERRANEAN STYLE FOOD THAT THEY HAVE.

SO THEY JUST WANTED TO BE FLEXIBLE BEING THAT THIS IS THEIR FIRST ENTREE INTO THIS MARKET DOWN HERE, AND

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AND DID THEY HAVE DRIVE THROUGH AT THEIR EXISTING LOCATIONS? I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO UP IN THE NORTHEAST MM-HMM .

UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT I BELIEVE THEY DO.

NOW MAYBE YOU CAN, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE PATIO AND WHAT SURE.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST THERE.

I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE TO SIT OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THE, THEIR MEALS AND STUFF.

THERE'S A LOT OF PATIO ACTIVITY AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE, UM, THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREA, THE RAIL SIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS WALKING BY IF THEY WANT TO STOP.

AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME MORE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC OUT THERE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE PATIO JUST PROVIDES ANOTHER OPTION FOR THEIR CLIENTELE TO COME IN AND EITHER SIT INSIDE OR TO POSSIBLY SIT OUTSIDE.

UH, AND MAYBE YOU JUST SOME ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, EXCEPTIONS, UH, AND WHY THE APPLICANT IS NOT WILLING TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE.

I UNDERSTAND THE BILL TO ZONE.

UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AND SURE.

SO, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHERS ABOUT THE, UH, THE SURE.

SO STREET SCAPE, THE SIDEWALKS.

UM, THE GLAZING, UM, WELL, THEY, THEY ARE GONNA, UH, POSSIBLY DO SOME WITH THE PATIO.

THEY'LL DO SOME IN THE FRONT, BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING FOR THE MOST PART, DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT.

BUT PRIMARILY IT'S THE, THE SIDEWALKS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXISTING ALREADY.

AND IF YOU, I HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY A, IN THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE CORNER.

THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE IS A SIDEWALK OVER THERE AND THERE'S ALSO A RETAINING WALL THERE.

BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, I BELIEVE IT'S A FOUR FOOT, MAYBE FIVE FOOT.

BUT EVEN THE, THE SIDEWALK THAT IS ON THE SPRING VALLEY SIDE, THAT SIDEWALK, THAT EXISTING SIDEWALK EVEN HAS A TELEPHONE POLE IN IT.

SO NOT ONLY ARE WE'D HAVE TO TAKE DOWN A RETAINING WALL, BUT WE'D ALSO HAVE TO RE MOVE UTILITIES.

'CAUSE THERE'S A TELEPHONE POLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, EVEN AT A, AT A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.

AND SO THE SIDEWALKS ARE SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN EXISTING.

SO WE'RE, AND THEN THE CITY CAME IN AND DID SOMETHING ON THE CORNER WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE STREET SIGNS AND THE, THERE'S ANOTHER ELECTRICAL BOX ON THE CORNER THERE.

SO, I MEAN, THE, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO, TO GET THAT DONE AND IT'S EXPENSIVE.

UM, AND GO BACK TO THE PATIO.

I'M SORRY, IS THAT, IS THAT JUST A COVERED PATIO OR IS IT ENCLOSED? UM, WELL, WE'D LIKE IT TO BE, NOT ENCLOSED, BUT LIKE WITH, WITH, UH, UM, WHERE YOU CAN, I HAVE IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT YOU CAN, IF IT'S RAINING, YOU CAN ALSO CLOSE IT UP.

BUT IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE OPEN THAN, THAN CLOSED.

DO WE HAVE, DID WE, WERE THEY PROVIDED ANY SPECS ON THAT PATIO BUILD OUT YET? JUST ON THE ELEVATIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE PROVIDED SPECS TO THE BUILDING PART YET.

WE, WE HAVEN'T YET.

BUT, SO, UH, SAMMY GIBBON IS THE DEVELOPER IN THE AREA, AND HE ALSO HAS DONE OTHER, SO JASMINE, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE JASMINE, UH, PATIOS THERE? UH, YEAH, I, I, I FORGET.

I FORGOT WHAT THAT'S, THAT LIKE, THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE RESTAURANT.

JUST YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW WHERE AT JASMINE.

I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PATIO LOOKS LIKE.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GLASS WALLS, BUT THEY OPEN, THEY, THEY'RE ON TRACKS WHERE THEY, YOU CAN OPEN THEM.

SO IT'S JUST MORE OR LESS GLASSED IN LIKE, SORT OF LIKE A RETRACTABLE EXACTLY.

DOOR WINDOW, YES, SIR.

GLASS IN.

UH, VICE CHAIRMAN THOMASON.

UM, IN THE WORK SESSION, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AREA THAT HAS HAD SOME, UM, HEIGHTENED TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UM, ON SHERMAN IN PARTICULAR.

UM, AND IT SEEMS THAT THE INFLECTION OR THE, MAYBE THE CONCENTRATION POINT IS EARLY, UH, AROUND EIGHT O'CLOCK.

AND IT'S DRIVEN FROM THE FOOD PANTRY.

THAT'S JUST TO THE, UH, NORTH.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT MEDITERRANEAN BREAKFAST AND I CAN'T EVER REMEMBER OR THINK ABOUT EATING A MEDITERRANEAN BREAKFAST.

SO IT HAS ME WONDERING, WILL YOU BE OPEN FOR BREAKFAST OR IS THIS HOURS OF OPERATION? IT, IT'S MORE FOR LIKE COFFEE AND PASTRIES.

IT'S NOT LIKE A FULL BLOWN BREAKFAST, BUT COFFEE AND PAST.

SO DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION IN MIND ALREADY? OR, OR, YEAH.

WE, WE, THEY, THEY, THE RESTAURANT GUY WANTED US TO DO FROM LIKE NINE TO 10:00 PM 9:00 AM TO 10:00 PM OKAY.

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WHAT'S THE NAME? WILL THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT BE, WHAT WILL IT BE? I BELIEVE IT'S A YACHT.

DOES IT HAVE A, SINCE IT'S A PART OF A ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER RESTAURANTS, DOES IT HAVE A PARTICULAR APPEARANCE TO IT? WILL, IS THERE A LOOK FOR THIS RESTAURANT THAT WILL COME HERE TO THE DALLAS AREA OR RICHON AREA? UM, WHEN I, I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU BY IT COLORS.

UH, UM, IT'S THE COLORS OF THE PICTURES.

WE, IT'S, IT'S PAINTED NOW.

IT'S KIND OF THE WHITE AND GRAY.

AND THERE'S SOME, SOME BROWN, LIKE YOU'RE ANSWERING ABOUT THE CURRENT BUILDING OR ARE YOU ANSWERING ABOUT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME.

IT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME, YES, MA'AM.

AND HOW MANY ON THE, UH, UH, PATIO, UH, WAS IT, HOW MANY WAS ON THE PATIO? MAYBE 20 SEATS.

HOW MANY UP? MAYBE 40 SEATS.

40 SEATS.

AND THEN WOULD THE RESTAURANT BE RECEIVING, LIKE THE CHICAGO RESTAURANT, UH, THAT HAS CHICAGO NATIVES, THAT LOVET, WOULD IT HAVE FOLLOWERS OR FANS ALREADY IN THIS AREA? WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEW TO THE AREA, BUT THEY DO HAVE LIKE 13 OR 17 RESTAURANTS UP IN THE NORTHEAST, SO I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FOLLOWING.

UH, IN, IN THE EVENT THIS WERE NOT APPROVED, UH, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE EXCEPTIONS, WHAT WOULD BE THE PLAN THEN? WOULD IT BE JUST TO OPERATE, UM, THE RESTAURANT WITHOUT THE PATIO AS A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT? WELL, I MEAN, YEAH.

I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED, I MEAN, IS IT, UH, OR DOES IT, OR, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE, IS THE, UM, IS THE THE RESTAURANT MEAN THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH DEPENDENT ON HAVING THE, THE DRIVE BOTH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE PATIO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK FOR 'EM? OR THEY'RE THEY'RE WANTING THAT YES.

FOR, FOR FINANCIAL REASONS, YES.

WELL, I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M KINDA GETTING OFF TRACK HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THE HOW PROMINENT THIS, THIS LOCATION IS WHEN ON THE CORNER, UM, FOR REALLY WHAT, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDEVELOP AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PLAN FOR TO CREATE THIS MORE PEDESTRIAN, WALKABLE SORT OF THING.

AND, UM, IT CONCERNS ME A BIT THAT, UM, NONE OF, NONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE BEING MET, UM, THAT IS PART, THAT PART OF THE EXISTING ZONING.

SO I THINK SOME OF THE BIGGER THINGS THAT YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO IS THE SIDEWALK, UM, FOR WALKABILITY.

AND AGAIN, I I I, I'D ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, BECAUSE THE RETAINING WALL IS, IS WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS.

AND IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALL, AND THEN THERE'S BUSHES ABOVE THAT.

AND LITERALLY, WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE THE RETAINING WALL.

WE'D HAVE TO MOVE UTILITIES.

THE CITY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO REMOVE THE UTILITY BOXES THAT THEY JUST PUT UP FOR THE LIGHTS.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW, HOW THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE.

YEAH, I, I CAN SEE MAYBE AN EXCEPTION IF THERE'S A RETAINING WALL IN UTIL EASEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, THERE, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL.

I'M TALKING MORE ALONG THE SHERMAN STREET FRONTAGE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, TRYING TO, TRYING TO AT LEAST GET STARTED WHAT YOU KNOW, IS ENVISIONED FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SURE, SURE.

AND, AND THE PLAN, YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT, THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT'S THERE, I MEAN, I, I I GUESS THEORETICALLY IT COULD BE EXPANDED, BUT, UM, IT, IT, YOU'RE GONNA BE CUTTING INTO TO THE AREA THERE.

I MEAN, A 12 FOOT SIDEWALK.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN 12 FEET WHERE THE CITY CAME IN AT, WHEN THEY REDID THE WHOLE CORNER.

IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S ONLY LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET.

AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE NARROW AND THEN WIDE.

I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE WHAT WE'RE FACING ON SOME OF THE OTHER CASES.

SPRING VALLEY.

YOU KNOW, A REQUIREMENT THAT ALL THE PUBLIC FACING HAVE.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ONLY EIGHT, ONLY AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED ALONG SHERMAN.

CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A FIVE FOOT, UM, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A FIVE FOOT ALONG SPRING VALLEY THAT'S ENCUMBERED BY THE RETAINING WALL.

THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED TO BE 12 FEET WITH THE, UM, ADDITIONAL AMENITIES ZONE.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS IN TERMS OF, UH, THE BUILDING FACADE, THERE'S,

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UM, UM, IT SHALL BE DESIGNATED AS BUILDING FRONTS.

SO THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S NO WINDOWS.

THAT'S AGAIN, KIND OF THE BACK OF THE, WHAT WAS THE BACK OF THE WENDY'S BACK OF THE HOUSE.

SO YEAH, THERE'S A THERE'S A WALK-IN COOLER BACK THERE.

SO I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A WA WINDOW IN A WALK-IN COOLER.

UM, AND THERE'S NO PLANS TO ADD ANY WINDOWS OTHER THAN JUST CHANGE OUT THE FRONT WHERE YOU INTEND TO DO THE PATIO.

YEAH, IF THE PATIO, IF WE DID THE PATIO, YEAH, THEY, THEY DO THE, PROBABLY THE FLOOR TO CEILING.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLANTS MAKING ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE FACADE OTHER THAN WHAT'S THEY'VE DONE ALREADY? SURE.

WE ARE ACTUALLY WANTING TO PUT THE, UM, AROUND THE AIR CONDITIONERS UP TOP TO HIDE THE AIR CONDITIONERS.

PREVIOUSLY WHEN WENDY'S WAS THERE, THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HIDE THE AIR CONDITIONERS.

AND SO WE'RE WANTING TO HIDE THE AIR CONDITIONER, SO IT LOOKS MORE APPEALING TO THE EYE.

AND SO WE WANT TO, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CLEANED IT UP, WE'VE PAINTED IT THOSE THINGS.

BUT THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

THE ONLY, UH, YES, SIR, OF THE MODIFICATION TO WHAT, FROM WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, IS JUST THE SCREENING OF THE ROOFTOP UNITS? YES, SIR.

AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE ADDING LANDSCAPING INTO IN THE PARKING LOTS WITH THE ISLANDS, THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU FELT YOU COULD WORK WITH? WELL, IT TAKES AWAY PARKING SPOTS FOR US.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF NEED THE PARKING SPOTS FOR THE RESTAURANT TOO.

SO DO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT? UH, DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER OF PARKING IS THAT'S REQUIRED? AND TYPICALLY WITH A RESTAURANT IT'S ONE TO 100, BUT IN THIS CODE, THERE'S MORE FLEXIBLE PARKING STANDARDS AND IT'S ONE TO 101 2 3 1 2 300.

UM, HOWEVER, ALSO IN THE CODE FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS, THEY COULD JUST PROVIDE WHAT PARKING IS ALREADY PROVIDED.

UNDERSTOOD.

UM, AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY OCCUPANTS DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE IN THE RESTAURANT? DO YOU KNOW? UM, I DON'T KNOW.

91 SEATING FOR 91? YES, SIR.

THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE SOME ON THE RETAINING WALL, THERE'LL BE SOME SHRUBBERY THAT'S PUT THERE TO SHIELD THE HEADLIGHTS FOR PARKING THAT COME OUT ONTO, UH, SPRING VALLEY.

SO, WE'LL, WE'LL SHRUB THE FRONT OF THAT AS WELL ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL.

THERE USED TO BE SHRUBS IN THAT AREA.

I THINK THEY'VE DIED OVER TIME, BUT THERE WERE SHRUBS SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

AND THE APPLICANTS INDICATED THEY'LL REPLACE THOSE.

AND VICE CHAIRMAN THOMASON, CAN YOU GO OVER THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE MAKING ABOUT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO HAMBURGER SALES AGAIN? SURE.

SO IT WAS A, ORIGINALLY IT WAS A A 50 FRANCHISE DEAL THAT A FRANCHISEE WAS BUYING 50 OF THE STORES FROM CORPORATE.

THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE STORES.

AND PART OF THAT DEAL WAS THAT THEY HAD TO CLOSE DOWN THAT STORE 'CAUSE IT WAS CANNIBALIZING ONE OF THEIR OTHER STORES A MILE AND A HALF AWAY.

SO ON TOP OF CLOSING IT DOWN, THEY ALSO DEED RESTRICTED IT SUCH THAT ANY, ANYBODY THAT CAME IN THERE TO OPERATE IT UNDER A LEASE OR SALE COULD NOT HAVE SALES OF, OF HAMBURGERS GREATER THAN 15%.

SO IF YOU'RE SELLING HAMBURGERS OR CHICKEN BURGERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM.

SO THIS IS WHY IT SAT EMPTY FOR SO LONG WHILE THEY WERE TRYING TO LEASE IT.

BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A DEED RESTRICTION THAT, UH, WENDY'S CORPORATE PUT ON THERE FOR, I BELIEVE, 10 YEARS.

SO YOU WORK WITH THEM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE NOT SELLING HAMBURGERS HERE.

NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SELLING HAMBURGERS, UM, HENCE THE MEDITERRANEAN.

AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, THE WAY MY HEAD IS THINKING IS LIKE, WE'VE GOT THIS VACANT AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AROUND IT, AND SO NOW WE HAVE A USAGE CASE THAT CAN POTENTIALLY MAKE A GO OF IT.

AND, AND WE'RE TRYING HARD WITH THE, UM, TO KEEP IT SORT OF WITHIN THE EXISTING SORT OF FOOTPRINT OF WHAT IT IS.

BUT WE'VE GOT A, AT LEAST AN APPLICANT HERE THAT'S GOT EXPERIENCE IN MEDITERRANEAN, ALBEIT NOT IN THIS MARKET.

AND THEY'RE DOING THINGS LIKE ADDING A PATIO, WHICH TO THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT, I LIKE PATIOS, UM, ESPECIALLY THE PATIO THAT'S FACING WHERE THE TRANSIT IS AT.

I DO LIKE THE TOD NATURE OF THAT, UM, ASPECT OF IT.

UM, AND SO THAT PATIO ASPECT, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING OUT, UM, TO THE WALKABILITY OF THAT AREA.

UM, IT'S JUST, WE, WE, WE GOT OUR HANDS TIED, I GUESS.

UM, AND SO YOU SAID THAT IT DOES A DEED RESTRICTION? IT DOES.

IT'S TIME

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BOUND.

I BELIEVE IT'S 10 YEARS.

AND SO WE'RE EIGHT MORE YEARS IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? CORRECT.

I'D ALSO POINT OUT THAT, UH, SAMMY JERIN HAS BEEN GENTRIFYING THAT AREA FOR MANY YEARS AND IS AN EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER AND HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND IS CONTINUING TO DO MORE WORK ON SOUTH SERMON STREET TO THE SOUTH.

UM, SO WE'RE, HE'S OUT THERE AS A DEVELOPER TRYING TO ENHANCE WHAT'S GOING ON IN RICHARDSON, ESPECIALLY RIGHT THERE ON SOUTH SERMON STREET, BOTH, UM, NORTH AND SOUTH OF SPRING VALLEY.

AND HE'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS.

SO HE'S AN EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER AS WELL.

O ALL RIGHT.

ANY ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER SAK? YEAH, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT JUST FOR POINT OF RECORD.

I THINK AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST FEW MEETINGS, SOMETIMES OUR ROLE IS GONNA BE AN INTERPRETATION, UM, OF WHAT THE CODE MAY MEAN, UM, WHAT THE VISION MAY MEAN.

I THINK TO ME, AS I LOOK AT THIS, WE'VE GOT TWO ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

ONE IS THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE SPECIAL PERMIT.

TO ME, I THINK THE PRECEDENT ON THAT FEELS VERY CLEAR WITH THE 2016 ZONING REMOVAL AND THAT NOT BEING PART OF TRANSIT VILLAGE.

I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING, THEY SPECIFICALLY DID NOT INCLUDE THAT AS RESTAURANTS.

SO TO ME, I THINK THAT VISION FEELS VERY CLEAR.

I FEEL A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THE PATIO BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS PRECEDENT, AS YOU MENTIONED WITH JASMINE.

I THINK IT ADDS A LOT TO THE AREA AND FEELS LIKE IT FITS A BIT MORE WITH THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE VISION IS.

SO, UM, JUST MENTIONING THAT FOR POINT OF RECORD.

UM, WE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, SO I'D ASK, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK, OR DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED IN? AND EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T TURN IN A CARD, YOU CAN STILL COME FORWARD.

UM, ANY CLOSING REMARKS BEFORE WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO CONSIDER IT.

COMMISSIONER BEACH SECOND.

UH, MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I GOT A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, SO YEAH, YOU HEARD WHERE I, I THINK I WAS GOING, AND I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A KEY CORNER FOR THE SHERMAN STREET AREA, AND WE'VE HAD A FEW CASES THAT HAVE COME UP.

WE'VE GOT A WAFFLE HOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, SO THEY REALLY ANCHOR THAT SHERMAN STREET DISTRICT.

UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE NEW APARTMENTS GOING UP ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

YOU'VE GOT THE RAIL STATION OVER TO THE EAST.

SO TO ME, THESE ARE BOTH THE WAFFLE HOUSE AND THIS SITE ARE, ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRIES TO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN WITH SHERMAN STREET OVER TIME.

UH, WE HAD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CASE, UH, COME BEFORE US WHERE THEY WANTED TO DO INDUSTRIAL, AND WE, YOU KNOW, DE DENIED THAT.

UM, WE DID MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR LOCKWOOD.

I THINK WE MADE, UH, EXCEPTIONS FOR, FOR JASMINE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY REDEVELOPED AND DID THE PATIO.

UM, SO I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, LIKE, YEAH, WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS, OKAY, IF, IF, IF WE APPROVE THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT RUNS WITH THE RUNS WITH THE LAND.

SO I MEAN, THAT IT CAN REMAIN LIKE THAT FOREVER.

AND, AND HENCE YOU NEVER GET TO THE POINT REALLY TO, TO REDEVELOP THE, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN, TOTALLY REDEVELOP IT.

UM, BUT, UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY VIEW, I, I'D RATHER SEE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT ONLY, YOU KNOW, WITH A PATIO AND NOT A, NOT A DRIVE THROUGH AT THIS KIND OF KEY CORNER.

AGAIN, HAVING TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH PURPOSES.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S MAINLY JUST FOR PICKUP, BUT IN MY VIEW, THAT'S WHEN SOMEBODY CAN WALK IN AND SAY, I'M HERE TO GET MY ORDER.

IT'S DIFFERENT MAYBE THAN HAVING THE MENU BOARD AND HAVING A LINE OF CARS THERE.

SO, UM, I, AGAIN, MY, MY BIGGER THING IS, YOU KNOW, HOW SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE OVERALL VISION OF, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING AND THE, AND THE, AND THE RAILSIDE DISTRICT AND WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS, WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED THERE.

SO, ANXIOUS TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

COMMISSIONER KELLER.

THROUGH COMPONENT, UM, I WOULD ALSO FAVOR SIT DOWN O OVER HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH IN THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY WHAT, UM, WITH THE VISION FOR, FOR THIS AREA, UM, BEING WHAT IT IS, UM, BEING THE TRANSIT VILLAGE AND THE FACT THAT, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH IS, IS NEITHER A PRIMARY NOR A SECONDARY USE IN THIS AREA, UM, IS WHAT, UH, WAS ENVISIONED FOR THIS AREA.

SO I'LL JUMP IN, UH, ON THAT.

I MEAN, I, I AGREE.

UM, I THINK I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME, UM, THOUGHTS, UH, AS YOU CHAIRMAN MARSH ON, ON THE ISSUE.

I, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME ON THE, ON THE DRIVE

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UM, AND THEN I KIND OF HAD SOME SIMILAR THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THE CASES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED, UH, SIMILAR, UH, SCENARIOS IN THE PAST, LIKE WITH THE LOCKWOOD PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WERE FEWER EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE BEING ASKED OF.

IN THAT CASE, IT WAS ALSO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS NOT THE OWNER.

UM, BUT THERE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW EXCEPTIONS, UM, BEING ASKED FOR HERE, WHICH ARE, I THINK, NOT CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE VISION FOR THIS AREA.

UM, AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, WERE THE, THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE, UH, CONSIDERED AND APPROVED.

ULTIMATELY, UH, IT DOES RUN WITH THE LAND, AND SO WE LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE FOR, UM, QUITE, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME.

AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, REQUIREMENT TO, TO ALLOW FOR CHANGES TO, UM, BE BROUGHT INTO EFFECT, UM, WHEN, UM, A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS IS BROUGHT BEFORE US.

SO, UM, I, I THINK IN LOOKING AT BOTH PIECES OF IT, I'M INCLINED TO, UM, NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, MR. BEACH, WELL, I'LL PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ON THIS, UH, BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN BY THAT, UH, EMPTY WENDY'S BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW, 400 TIMES, JUST PICK A NUMBER.

UM, AND I CAN IMAGINE MYSELF, UH, COMING FROM DOWNTOWN ON THE TRAIN AND, AND, UH, GETTING OFF THERE AT THE, UH, SPRING VALLEY STATION AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK I'M GONNA PICK UP MEDITERRANEAN TONIGHT BEFORE I GO HOME.

SO I'M JUST GONNA PULL UP INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH THERE AT THAT NEW IAT AND, UH, UM, GRAB SOMETHING AND, AND TAKE IT HOME WITH ME.

BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE GETTING OUT AGAIN AND HAVING TO PARK AGAIN AND GO INSIDE SOMEPLACE AGAINST, I'M JUST GONNA PULL UP THE DRIVE THROUGH AND GRAB THAT AND GO HOME WITH IT.

SO I CAN SEE WHERE THERE WOULD BE VALUE IN HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT THERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S JUST ONE MAN'S OPINION.

VICE CHAIRMAN THOMASON.

IT'S A TRICKY ONE.

UM, SO MY OVERALL THOUGHTS ARE, UM, THE DOWNSIDE RISK FOR ME IS, IS THAT IT JUST REMAINS THERE AND IT'S, UM, IT COULD REMAIN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE, JUST LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 75 ON SPRING VALLEY, AND, AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR A LONG TIME.

SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIKE, OKAY, LET'S GIVE THIS A GO.

UM, AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BE SUCCESSFUL? SO, YOU ALREADY HEARD ME TALK ABOUT HOW I DO LIKE THE PATIO ASPECT OF IT, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THAT DOES GET US CLOSER TO THE VISION OF WHAT THIS AREA IS DESIGNED TO BE WALKABLE.

UM, ESPECIALLY AS IT ORIENTS TO ALL THE TRAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING THE TRAIN AND NOT STOPPING BUT SEEING IT.

I MEAN, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY COULD HAVE LIGHTS AND WHATEVER ELSE THAT THEY PUT ON IT, BUT IT'S NOT, NOT VERY FAR AWAY.

UM, THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS NOT A, IT'S NOT A HILL I WOULD DIE ON EITHER WAY.

I DO LIKE, UM, GIVING PROPRIETORS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A NEW BRAND COMING HERE, UM, TO THE POINT THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER BEACH WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE WILL BE INCREMENTAL SALES FROM, FROM A DRIVE THROUGH, NO DOUBT.

AND CERTAINLY THAT WAS THE SAVIOR OF MOST, UH, RESTAURANTS, UM, FIVE YEARS AGO, CAN'T NECESSARILY ANTICIPATE A COVID USAGE CASE TO BE, WHAT IS THE REASON TO DO A DRIVE THROUGH NOW.

BUT THIS EFFECTIVELY ALREADY HAD A DRIVE THROUGH.

SO IN MY HEAD, I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? I FEEL LIKE THAT THIS IS A, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOMEONE A CHANCE TO BRING ENERGY TO THIS SPOT.

UM, BRING A, A FOOD CHOICE THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I GUESS THERE IS OTHER MEDITERRANEAN AROUND, BUT IT'S NOT ON EVERY OTHER CORNER.

AND SO I'M BEEN MORE INCLINED TO SAY, YES, LET'S GIVE THIS A GO.

UM, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T WORK, UM, I DON'T THINK THE INCLUSION OF A PATIO IN A THAT STAYS WITH THE LAND IDEA IS ALL, ALL THAT, ALL THAT BAD.

UM,

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THE NEXT GUY MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A PATIO OR COULD HAVE A PATIO.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT BAD.

SO THAT'S HOW I'M THINKING ABOUT IT ALL TOGETHER, CHAIRMAN, UM, IS WE NEED SOMETHING THERE.

AND THIS THING COULD, COULD, COULD LAY VACANT BECAUSE OF A HAMBURGER RESTRICTION FOR ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

SO, UM, I SKEW MORE TOWARD THE VICE CHAIR'S, UH, VIEW OF THIS.

UM, IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE 23.

WE GOT EIGHT YEARS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS CORRECT.

WE'RE EIGHT YEARS INTO BEFORE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, SUNSET.

AND, UH, I'D HATE TO SEE THE PERFECT, BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, UM, OCCUPIED AND I THINK, UH, MEDITERRANEAN CUISINE IN THAT AREA WOULD BE, UM, PRETTY VIBRANT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I COME OUT ON THIS.

I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IT.

COMMISSIONER QUIRK.

YEAH, I GUESS I'M KIND OF LEANING THAT SAME WAY.

I, I, UH, COMMISSIONER ROBERTS PUT A GUY A TO C PERFECT, YOU KNOW, B BE OUR ENEMY HERE, UH, I AND AM AM I CORRECT IF THEY WEREN'T ASKING TO CONTINUE THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THEY WEREN'T GONNA PUT THE PATIO ON THERE, THEY COULD JUST DO THIS ANYWAY? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, A CONDITION THAT THEY NOT HAVE THAT.

SO, SO ALL OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE, THE, THE BILL TOO AND THE, ALL, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, I, I, I MEAN, THEY COULD GET AROUND THAT BY JUST OPENING A RESTAURANT THERE, NOT HAVING A DRIVE THROUGH, NOT PUTTING A PATIO ON.

SO I, I, I, I THINK WE, UH, WE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ON THAT CORNER AND, AND I THINK THE PATIO ACTUALLY HELPS MOVE US KIND OF CLOSER TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE VISION IS.

SO I THINK I'D LEAN IN FAVOR OF IT AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER SEK.

YEP.

I'M HEARING A LOT OF, UM, POSITIVE COMMENTS FOR THE PATIO, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE I LIE AS WELL.

UM, I DO PERSONALLY SIT IN OPPOSITION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH, BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES COMPLETELY NEGATE WHAT BOTH THE PLAN AND THE ZONING HAVE SPECIFICALLY STATED.

UM, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF PATIO CONVERSATION LESS ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH, AND IF IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO CONSIDER THOSE TWO THINGS SEPARATELY, SHOULD WE HAVE VARYING OPINIONS? YEAH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.

I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT, UM, AGAIN, I PREFER A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MY INITIAL THOUGHT ON THE BUILDING IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, A NEW COAT OF PAINT, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

AND OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A NOT THAT ATTRACTIVE IN A, OF A BUILDING TO START WITH.

UM, IT'S BETTER THAN MAYBE IT WAS THE CONDITION IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, AGAIN, I'M, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORT.

THERE'S REALLY NOT BEEN ANY EFFORT MADE TO REALLY DO ANYTHING HERE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PUT THE PATIO UP, PUT THE SCREENING SCREEN ABOVE THE ROOFTOP UNITS, UM, BUT NOTHING ELSE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING IN TERMS OF, YEAH, I LIKE A PATIO TOO.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

BUT, UM, IF, IF THAT MEANS MAKING ALL THESE OTHER EXCEPTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEN RUNS TO THE LAND, THAT'S WHERE I, I COME DOWN ON IT.

SO, COMMISSIONER COURT, WELL, I'M, YEAH, TO THE QUESTION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF A DRIVE THROUGH ITSELF.

I LOOKS, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION THAT CAPABILITY'S THERE, SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

AND I, I, I, TO ME, A LOT OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT I GO TO THAT HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS, I MEAN, I DON'T, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S NOT TOO FAR OF A STEP DIFFERENT FROM JUST HAVING EIGHT OR 10 SPOTS BLOCKED OFF FOR YOUR PICKUP ORDER.

I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET THE, THE FLOW OF PEOPLE RUNNING IN AND OUT OF THERE.

AND IT, IT, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE AND IT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO I KIND OF NEUTRAL ON THAT ONE.

I JUST WANTED TO OFFER SOMETHING, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION IF YOU, IF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO, UM, RELATED TO THE DRIVE THROUGH LIMITING IT TO, UM, ONLINE PICKUP ORDERS ONLY.

UM, BUT OF COURSE, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT IS, IS DIFFICULT.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE MENU BOARD AND THE SPEAKER BOX AND ALL OF THAT, AND YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE,

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UM, AND SO THAT MAY LIMIT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

COMMISSIONER KELLER.

YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT, UM, ON SOME OF THE, UM, OTHER THOUGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.

UM, I, I HEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING, UM, I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT.

AND I THINK CERTAINLY THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE, UH, SOMETHING OCCUPYING THIS SPACE RATHER THAN, UH, A VACANT BUILDING.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THESE TYPES OF CASES.

UM, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO CHAIRMAN MARSHA'S POINT, UM, THERE IS VERY LITTLE THAT'S BEING DONE HERE IN ORDER TO BRING IT, UM, IN MY EYES INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

UM, YEAH, WE HAVE A PATIO THAT'S GREAT, THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT IS THAT REALLY ENOUGH TO MAKE THE TRADE OFF OF SACRIFICING, UH, THIS, UH, IMPORTANT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE LONG TERM? UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S GONNA RUN WITH THE LAND.

SO, UM, IS THAT TRADE OFF WORTH IT, UM, TODAY TO, TO GET SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS, YOU KNOW, ONE, UM, MODIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS, IS GOING TO GET US CLOSER TO THE, TO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, AND, AND IS GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE OTHER, UH, ISSUES THAT ARE, ARE NOT, UM, BEING MODIFIED, NOT BROUGHT IN, INTO CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON IS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS FAR AS THE DEED RESTRICTION, I, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT HAS ANY IMPACT ON, UH, OUR DECISION.

UM, I MEAN, OKAY, THEY CAN'T SELL HAMBURGERS THERE.

I MEAN, THAT HARDLY RESTRICTS IT FROM BEING, UH, ANY NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.

UM, SO I DON'T REALLY SEE WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS ON WHAT WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE.

SO THERE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD GO THROUGH HERE AND TRY AND, AND, UH, MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT'S BEEN REQUESTED.

UM, YOU COULD PROVE IT AS IS RECOMMEND DENIAL AS IS, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPLETELY.

UM, MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND.

UM, BUT, UM, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT PERHAPS AS A MOTION.

I WILL GIVE IT A WHIRL.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO READ THE ROOM HERE.

UM, AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO WORD THIS.

UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT, OR I WOULD PUT FORTH A MOTION THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY ALLOW THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS TRYING TO ENCAPSULATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A PATIO, UM, BUT THEN RESTRICTING THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.

UM, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE SPECIAL PERMIT.

CAN THOSE THINGS BE DONE? YEAH.

MUTUAL EXCLUSIVE EACH OTHER? YES.

AND SO YOU MIGHT WISH TO SEPARATE YOUR MOTION.

AND SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE COMMISSION MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER DOING IS TREATING THE, UM, THE SPECIAL PERMIT SEPARATELY, DO A MOTION ON THAT, AND THEN DO THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, AND KIND OF HANDLING THOSE AS SEPARATE MOTIONS.

'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING, THERE'S DIFFERENT SENTIMENT ON EACH WELL, SO, OKAY.

SO IF WE GO DOWN THE PATH OF SPECIAL PERMIT ON JUST PLAYING THIS OUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

SO IF WE GO DOWN THE PATH OF A MOTION AND A SECOND AND APPROVAL ON A SPECIAL PERMIT DENIAL, UM, AND LET'S SAY THAT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE'D BE, THEN WE'D BE TRYING TO DO THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T GET THE DENIAL.

SO I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO TAG THEM TOGETHER EFFECTIVELY TO SAY WE WANT ONE AND NOT THE OTHER.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL END UP PASSING, BUT I'M JUST SORT OF, SORT OF GETTING THE SENTIMENT THAT, THAT, THAT THE, EVERYBODY SEEMS TO LIKE THE PATIO.

MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY, BUT EVERYBODY LIKES THE PATIO MORE THAN THE DRIVE THROUGH.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ULTIMATELY TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND IF WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T.

SO GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION.

I THINK THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

WELL, YOU COULD, I MEAN, YOU COULD RECOMMEND A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, ITEM ONE, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DENIAL OF ITEM TWO IN THE, UH, RIGHT? YEAH.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, YOU COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.

AND I THINK,

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AND DEREK, I THINK'S GONNA PULL UP THE, YEAH.

UM, THE, OH, IT'S BROKEN UP.

SO, OH, THERE WE GO.

SO THAT'S THE, UM, THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS NUMBER ONE, AND THEN THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS NUMBER TWO.

MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR IF I, YEAH.

YEAH, MR. IF I HERE FOR A MINUTE, UM, PERHAPS WE COULD COME UP WITH A MOTION THAT, UH, ITEM ONE OF THE REQUEST BE APPROVED AS WRITTEN, AND ITEM TWO BE MODIFIED AS STAFF SUGGESTED TO JUST REMOVE SIGN BOARD AND THAT, BUT STILL ALLOW FOR PICKUP.

YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOTION TOO.

SO, UM, IF, UH, OKAY.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

WELL, I, I, I, I, I, I WANNA GO BACK TO VICE CHAIRMAN HERE 'CAUSE HE WAS, HE WAS FIRST.

OKAY, HE'S STARTING WITH A MOTION THERE.

I'LL START THEN I'LL, I'D LIKE HIM TO FINISH TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT IT CORRECT.

GOOD POINT OF ORDER.

UM, SO, UH, THANK YOU TO THE, THE ASSIST AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS GOES.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT APPROVES THE ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, WHICH IS THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, AND, UM, MODIFIES ITEM TWO TO ALLOW FOR A PICKUP, UM, NON ORDERING APPARATUS FOR THE PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH.

SO MODIFYING THAT TO NOT ALLOW A TRADITIONAL DRIVE THROUGH, BUT MORE OF A PICKUP, NON ORDERING PROCESS.

IT'S A WEIRD MOTION.

PICK UP PICK ORDERS ONLY.

PICK ORDERS ONLY.

SO THERE'S YOUR, THERE'S YOUR, THERE'S YOUR MOTION, THERE'S YOUR SECOND.

ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UH, ANY, ANY OTHER CONVERSATION ON THAT? UM, ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

1, 2, 3, UH, BEAT COMMISSIONER BEACHES UP COURT ROBERTS BEACH, AND I'M NOT, I'M COUNTING HERE.

[4. Zoning File 25-11 – PD Planned Development – Telecom Warehouse: Consider and act on a request to change the zoning on 66.56 acres located at the southwest corner of Breckinridge Blvd and Telecom Pkwy from l-M(1) Industrial District to PD Planned Development for the l-M(1) Industrial District with modified development standards for an office/warehouse building. Owner: Michael Schack, HIG/DSP Richardson Owner LLC. Staff: Derica Peters.]

THIS IS OUR, AGAIN, A PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE, 25 DASH 11 PLAN DEVELOPMENT TELECOM WAREHOUSE, MS. PETERS.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

THE SUBJECT SITE FOR ZONING FILE 25 11 IS AT 28 0 1 TELECOM PARKWAY.

THE SUBJECT IS BOUNDED BY BRECKENRIDGE BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH TELECOM PARKWAY TO THE EAST AND RESEARCH DRIVE TO THE SOUTHWEST.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL ONE, I AM ONE, UH, SINCE IT WAS FIRST ZONED IN 1971, THE SITE DOES ALLOW THE PROPOSED USE BY RIGHT, THAT IS WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION AND OFFICE.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AN EXCEPTION TO THE ZONING RULE THAT RESTRICTS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING TO 25 FEET.

THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF THIS BUILDING HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE, UH, AS ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST.

AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS THE AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER.

THE ENVISION RICHARDSON FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY PLACE TYPE, WHICH CALLS FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION, AND OFFICE AS PRIMARY USES.

SO THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING AND WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

HERE ARE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

THIS IS A SITE IS SEEN FROM TELECOM PARKWAY, WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING FIRST DEVELOPED IN 1990.

THIS OFFICE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THE SITE WAS FIRST DEVELOPED IN 1990 WITH THAT THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING, AND THEN PROCEEDED TO DEVELOP WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS YOU SEE HERE THROUGH THE YEAR 2000.

IN TOTAL TODAY THERE ARE 855,600 SQUARE FOOTAGE, SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA THAT COMPRISES MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY OFFICE USES WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION USES ON SITE.

THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

MOST OF THE CHANGES TO THE SITE WILL OCCUR ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION.

THE NEW BUILDING IS SHOWN IN ORANGE.

HERE THEY HAVE PROPOSED

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A NEW SINGLE STORY FLEX WAREHOUSE BUILDING THAT WILL BE 343,624 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AGAIN, THE PROPOSED USES WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION AND OFFICE ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.

AND THE CONCEPT PLAN MEETS THE MINIMUM ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

THE LOT WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS ONE S SINGULAR PLATTED LOT AND CAMPUS.

THERE ARE NO PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ON THE NORTH HALF OF THE CAMPUS.

THERE ARE THREE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ALONG THIS SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED AND THE SITE WHEN REDEVELOPED WILL PROVIDE 22.6 OF LANDSCAPED AREA, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS 10%.

HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

SO THIS IS, UH, PARTIALLY THE SUBJECT OF THE REQUEST TONIGHT.

THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE LIMITS MOST BUILDINGS AND MOST ZONING DISTRICTS.

UH, IF THEY, IF IT IS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING.

A SINGLE STORY BUILDING IS DEFINED AS 25 FEET TALL.

UH, THIS BUILDING BEING A WAREHOUSE NEEDS, UH, ADDITIONAL CLEARANCE HEIGHT ON THE INSIDE FOR STORAGE OF, UM, MATERIALS MERCHANDISE, UH, FOR THEIR WAREHOUSE USES.

SO THEY NEED ADDITIONAL HEIGHT INSIDE THE BUILDING.

SO THEY HAVE PROPOSED A TOTAL OF 50 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET.

THEY'VE PROVIDED THE ELEVATIONS HERE THAT PROVIDE FOR AN AESTHETIC THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE OF A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING WITH TREATMENTS AT THE CORNERS, INCLUDING WINDOWS AT THE CORNERS.

THERE'S ALSO FLOOR TO CEILING VERTICAL STOREFRONT WINDOWS SPACED ALONG THE FRONT AND SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

AND THERE ARE CLEAR STORY WINDOWS, WHICH GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING.

THIS FIRST ELEVATION IS THE FRONT FACING ELEVATION FACING TELECOM PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH.

THE SECOND IMAGE IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, FACING THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.

SO THE NORTH OF THE SITE WHERE THERE IS, UH, THE TRUCK COURT WILL BE LOCATED THE SOUTH OF THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING.

AND THE LOADING DOCK AREA HAS 74 PROPOSED LOADING DOCKS SHOWN THE BUILDING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF CONCRETE TILT WALL AND HAVE ALUMINUM.

WE WINDOWS AND ALUMINUM CANOPY AWNINGS.

AND THESE TWO ELEVATIONS SHOW THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE SEEN FROM THE FRONTAGES.

THIS FIRST ONE ON TOP IS SEEN FROM THE TELECOM PARKWAY FRONTAGE, THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS SEEN FROM RESEARCH BOULEVARD IS SHOWN HERE.

SO BECAUSE THIS IS A PROPOSED PD PLAN, DEVELOPMENT CITY STAFF DID REQUEST A TRIP GENERATION MEMO, WHICH COMPARED THE PROJECTED TRIPS AND THE EX ESTIMATED TRIPS.

BASED ON THE CURRENT USES TODAY, INCLUDING THE CURRENT OFFICE ON SITE COMPARED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEW WAREHOUSE ON SITE, WHICH HAS SHOWN THAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD PRODUCE 160 FEWER TRIPS DURING THE AM PEAK HOURS, 146 FEWER TRIPS DURING THE PM PEAK HOURS.

AND ON A DAILY BASIS, 910 FEWER TRIPS ARE EXPECTED.

TRUCK TRAFFIC, OH, I'M SORRY.

LET ME GET BACK TO THE ELEVATIONS HERE.

UM, THE, THE ARCHITECT DID PROVIDE THESE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS TO GIVE YOU A BETTER LOOK OF THE BUILDING IN A MORE REALISTIC 3D VIEW SHOWN HERE.

GOING BACK TO TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN AS PART OF THE PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS.

SO WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING HERE AND WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTING TO FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC ENTERING AND EXITING THE SITE, IT WILL ENTER AND EXIT FROM THE SOUTH, FROM PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE.

IT WILL THEN PROCEED DOWN RESEARCH DRIVE OR TELECOM PARKWAY TO EITHER THE EAST OR WEST SIDE OF THE NEW WAREHOUSE, AS SHOWN HERE IN THE GREEN AND RED LINES.

SO TRAFFIC WILL STAY SOUTH OF THE BUILDING AND THEN PROCEED WEST TO PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH .

THE APPLICANT ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THIS TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN, DID PROVIDE AN ONSITE CIRCULATION PLAN THAT SHOWED HOW THE, UH, SEMI TRAILERS CAN PROCEED THROUGH THE SITE THROUGH THE REAR OF THE SITE AND HAVE ADEQUATE ROOM TO MANEUVER THROUGH THE SITE WITH THEIR LOADING AND UNLOADING ACTIVITIES.

ALSO, THE TRUCK COURT IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING IS MEASURED AT 130 FEET DEEP.

THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROPOSED REDUCED PARKING STANDARDS FOR THE SITE AS A WHOLE.

SO THIS APPLIES TO THE EXISTING OPERATIONS ON SITE AND THE NEW BUILDING.

THEY'VE PROPOSED TO REDUCE THE PARKING RATIO FOR ASSEMBLY MANUFACTURING AND LABORATORY FROM ONE TO 400 TO ONE TO 1000.

REDUCE WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION FROM ONE TO 1000 TO ONE TO 1,250.

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BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED 101,444 SPACES BASED ON THE PROPOSED, UH, MIX OF OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE AND THE BUILDING AND ON SITE.

AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING 1,998 SPACES WITH THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT.

ALSO, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS HERE, SHOWN HERE, SHOWS WHERE THE NEW PARKING SPACES WILL BE LOCATED AROUND THE, UH, THE NEW BUILDING.

THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 250 PARKING SPACES SHOWN HERE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE NEW BUILDING.

THE NEW BUILDING ITSELF, BASED ON THE MIX OF WAREHOUSE USES, WOULD BE REQUIRED 335 SPACES FOR JUST THE WAREHOUSE ITSELF.

UH, WITH THE SHARED CAMPUS, UH, TYPE OF SITE, THE, THE PARKING WILL BE CONSIDERED AS SHARED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE AND ALL OF THE BUSINESSES AND OPERATIONS ON SITE.

ALSO, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED FUTURE EXPANSION AREAS SHOWN IN GREEN HERE, WHERE THE PARKING LOTS COULD BE EXPANDED IF FUTURE PARKING IS NEEDED FOR FUTURE TENANTS.

ALSO, AS PART OF THE PD, THEY HAVE PROPOSED ENHANCED LANDSCAPE SCREENING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TRUCK COURT SHOWN IN THE RED BUBBLED AREAS HERE.

THEY HAVE PROPOSED AN LANDSCAPE SCREEN OF EVERGREEN TREES AND SHRUBS, ORNAMENTAL TREES AND CANOPY TREES, UH, ADJACENT TO TELECOM ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND ADJACENT TO RESEARCH BOULEVARD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A STANDARD WITHIN OUR BASE ZONING CODE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THIS AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF THEIR REQUEST.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT IN FAVOR FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, I'M SORRY, THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS' PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

TWO COMMENTS NEUTRAL, INCLUDING ONE FROM THE CREEK HOLLOW HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND FIVE COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST.

UM, FINALLY, SHOULD THE CPC RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST? THE MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THE SITE WOULD BE REZONED FROM, IM ONE INDUSTRIAL TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE IM ONE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

SO WHILE THE BASE, THE PROPOSED USES ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AND REQUESTING THE EXCEPTION FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT.

THEY'RE REQUESTING A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 50 FEET, AND THEY HAVE ALSO COMMITTED TO AN ADDIT.

THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO LANDSCAPE SCREENING AS SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEY HAVE ALSO PROPOSED A REDUCED PARKING RATIO.

AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

UM, SOMETHING I DID MISS THOUGH, ACTUALLY, BEFORE I CONTINUE, UM, I DID WANNA BRING ABOUT SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS, THIS TYPE OF REQUEST IN THE CITY.

UM, WE HAVE HAD SIMILAR REQUESTS IN THIS AREA AND OTHER AREAS OF TOWN.

IN THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR, THE AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER REQUESTED A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR 50 FOOT TALL SINGLE STORY BUILDING, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2020.

UM, NORTH OF THE AMAZON BUILDING, THERE'S A FLEX WAREHOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR 48 FOOT TALL SINGLE STORY BUILDING.

THEN SOUTHEAST OF THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S A INDUSTRIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A 40 FOOT, 42 FOOT TALL SINGLE STORY BUILDING.

AND THEN SOUTHWEST OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, WHAT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE NATURE RICH COSMETICS LAB, WAS APPROVED FOR A 40 FOOT TALL SINGLE STORY WAREHOUSE BUILDING.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

UM, I, I HAVE MY SAVED MY QUESTIONS ON THE PARKING FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, BUT I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT, UH, OVERALL FOR THE SITE, WHAT'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED IS 2042 SPACES AND THERE ARE 1998 PROVIDED.

IS THAT, WHEN YOU SAY 1998 PROVIDED, IS THAT TODAY OR UNDER THIS, THE PLAN, NEW PROPOSED PLAN? RIGHT.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S AN ASK HERE.

UH, THERE, THERE ARE ONLY 44 SPOTS SHORT IN TOTAL.

THAT'S, BUT THE ASK IS TO, TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO EFFECTIVELY THE 1444.

SO ELIMINATING OVER 500 SPACES? YES.

AND, AND AGAIN, I GUESS THAT THAT'LL BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

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SORRY, I, I CAN'T SEE YOUR, I, I ALWAYS MISS YOU DOWN THERE.

COMMISSIONER POINTER, UH, TREES, ANY LOSS OF TREES TO BUILD, SO THE TREES THAT WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS SITE, IF THOSE TREES FALL UNDER A PROTECTED SPECIES WITHIN OUR NEW TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, UM, MEANING IF THEY'RE, UH, CERTAIN SPECIES AND A CERTAIN, UM, MEASUREMENT, THEN THOSE ARE PROTECTED AND THEY WILL NEED TO BE MITIGATED FOR.

SO THEY WOULD EITHER NEED TO BE REPLANTED ON SITE OR THEY NEED TO PAY INTO THE MITIGATION FUND.

SO, DO YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S, NO, A TREE SURVEY IS NOT REQUIRED AS PART OF THE ZONING.

IT WILL BE REQUIRED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW, AND THEY WILL THEN THAT WILL ASSESS WHICH TREES NEED TO BE MITIGATED, BUT BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, WHEN I DROVE BY THE SIDE, I SAW OAK TREES ALL ALONG THE SIDEWALK.

SO DOES THIS PLAN, IN YOUR ESTIMATION, INTERFERE WITH THOSE AT ALL? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD FOR THOSE ALONG THE STREET, THE SIDEWALK IS GOING TO REMAIN AS IS.

THEY DON'T PLAN ON TOUCHING THIS LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

THE STREET TREES SHOULD REMAIN AS IS, AND WE DO HAVE STREET TREE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ALSO.

SO THERE'S MAINLY PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING NOW.

MM-HMM.

DO YOU KNOW IF THERE, IF THE, WHAT THE TREES, IT'S A VERY PRETTY AREA.

MM-HMM.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE TREES ARE BEYOND THOSE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK? I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE TREES ARE CONSIDERED PROTECTED THAT ARE WITHIN THE PARKING LOT, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT.

THEY, THEY CAN'T BE SAVED, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE MITIGATED FOR TOO.

HOW, OKAY.

THANKS.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

SO, UM, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF CASES RECENTLY WHERE THERE'S BEEN AN ASK FOR, UH, CHANGING THE, UH, SINGLE STORY BUILDING HEIGHT TO 40 50.

I'M JUST WONDERING, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION OR STAFF HAS AN OPINION, IS THAT JUST A MARKET CONDITION WHERE NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYBODY'S GOING FOUR PALLETS HIGH OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? YEAH, I THINK THE MARKET HAS EVOLVED CONSIDERABLY SINCE THAT, UM, ORIGINAL ZONING WENT IN INTO EFFECT LIMITING THE BUILDING HEIGHT TO ONLY 25 FEET.

I THINK THAT THAT DATES TO, YOU KNOW, THE SIXTIES MAYBE, UM, OR POTENTIALLY EVEN EARLIER.

UM, BACK THEN, YEAH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RACK STORAGE THAT YOU SEE TODAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THESE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE TENANTS ARE REQUESTING.

IN ADDITION, THE TALLER BUILDING HYATT ALLOWS FOR, UM, THE SCREENING OF ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MEASURED TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET AS WELL.

SO, UM, I WILL, I WILL REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, A 25 FOOT TALL BUILDING, UM, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE COULD BE BUILT HERE BY, RIGHT.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN OTHER, YOU KNOW, RECENT PROPOSALS THAT HAVE DONE, DONE JUST THAT.

AND SO THEY ARE ABLE TO MAKE IT WORK.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY, A LOT OF THE, UM, THE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, DESIRE THAT, THAT TALLER HEIGHT TO, TO REALLY HAVE GREATER FLEXIBILITY TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.

VICE CHAIRMAN THOMASON.

SO BUILDING ON THAT QUESTION, THE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THERE AT THE TOP PART OF THAT, HOW HIGH ARE THEY? SO SOME OF THOSE, THOSE ARE SINGLE STORY, SOME OF THOSE, BUT THEY ARE UP TO 40 FEET TALL.

I THINK THOSE WERE PERMITTED BEFORE THIS SINGLE STORY LIMITATION WAS ADOPTED.

I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY 1998, UM, THAT WE AMENDED THE CODE WITH THIS 25 FOOT SINGLE STORY STANDARD, AND THOSE WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THAT.

UM, SO THERE, THERE'S A VARIATION OF HEIGHTS ON THE, ON THE ON SITE.

UH, THE, THE LARGER BUILDINGS, UH, THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE NORTH SIDE ALONG BRECKENRIDGE ARE BOTH 43.

AND THEN THE BUILDING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED TO BE TORN DOWN IS 46 FEET.

COMMISSIONER POINTER STAFF, UH, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? DOES THIS CHANGE THIS FROM A CAMPUS TO A DISTRIBUTION CENTER? THERE, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING LEFT THAT MAKES IT A CAMPUS, MEANING MULTIPLE BUILDINGS RELATED TO, TO, UH, ONCE THIS BUILDING GOES.

WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR CAMPUS NECESSARILY, OR DISTRIBUTION CENTER.

UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT INDICATES THAT THIS HAS OFFICE, THIS WHOLE AREA HAS OFFICE SPACE, OR IS IT, IS IT, I SAW THE NUMBERS, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE PREDOMINANTLY

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DISTRIBUTION.

UM, YEAH.

WITHIN THE, THE SITE AS A WHOLE THERE, YEAH.

THERE'S A MIX OF OFFICE DISTRIBUTION ALREADY.

LOGISTICS.

WHEN YOU SAY SITE, DO YOU MEAN THE APPLICANT'S? YEAH, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

WHERE'S THE OFFICE NOW? I KNOW WHERE THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOW, THE, THE ONE STORY, BUT WHERE, WHERE THE OTHER OFFICE LOCATED.

THIS ONE IS ALSO LABELED AS OFFICE WITHIN IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

AND THEN WITHIN THE OTHER MANUFACTURING BUILDINGS, THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACES IN THERE.

AND ARE THOSE ALL THE SAME TENANT OR DIFFERENT TENANTS? I'M NOT, THEY'RE DIFFERENT TENANTS.

THERE IS A MIX.

SO THERE'S OFFICE WITHIN THE TENANT, BUT AN OFFICE STANDALONE.

AND THIS ONE SAID CAFETERIA.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK, I THINK THAT'S, THERE'S SPECIFICALLY A CAFETERIA THAT WAS BUILT.

I THINK IT'S THIS PART THAT JOINS THESE TWO BUILDINGS.

SO THERE'S A LARGE CAFETERIA IN THERE.

SO IT WAS AN EXISTING CAFETERIA.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WHEN IT WAS A CAMPUS.

UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'D ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M, UH, MICHAEL SHACK WITH, UH, DAYTON STREET PARTNERS, UH, THREE 50 WEST HUBBARD, UH, CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.

UM, THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING OUR REQUEST TONIGHT.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE.

UM, WE'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS APPEALING AS POSSIBLE TO THE AREA.

AND SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT, WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND OUR ARCHITECT, ARCHITECT AND CIVIL ENGINEER AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR JUST KIND OF WHAT YOUR VISION IS FOR, UH, TENANCY IN THE BUILDING.

WHAT'S YOUR PLAN? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS IN THE CHANGES IN THAT, BUT WHAT'S YOUR VISION FOR THE BUILDING? SO, UM, IT'S A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPMENT, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE TENANT WILL BE AT THIS POINT.

WE ARE TALKING TO THE EXISTING TENANT WHO'S THE MAJOR TENANT IN THE BUILDING.

UH, CELESTICA, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT CELESTICA OR NOT, BUT, UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS THEIR NORTH AMERICAN HEADQUARTERS, UH, CAMPUS.

AND THEY BRING IN HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGHLY PAID, UH, JOBS, UH, TO THIS FACILITY.

THEY DO A LOT OF LIGHT ASSEMBLY OF VERY HIGHLY TECHNICAL, UM, STUFF, INCLUDING STUFF FOR THE MILITARY AND SO FORTH.

UM, SO WE'RE TALKING TO THEM, BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED THAT WE'LL GET THEM.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE IN RICHARDSON, RICHARDSON IS KNOWN AS LIKE THE TECHNOLOGY AREA.

AND SO WE DO SEE, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED INTEREST FROM OTHER PARTIES THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR OF NATURE IN TERMS OF, UM, HIGH TECH, UM, TYPE FACILITIES.

AND SO THERE'D BE SOME LIGHT ASSEMBLIES, SOME STORAGE, SOME LAB SPACE, UH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE CAMPUS NOW.

COMMISSIONER ETTE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

FIRST OF ALL, I NOTICED, UM, WHEN YOU MET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO GATHER FEEDBACK, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO MAKE THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, AND THE RESPONSE FROM YOU IS THAT IS NOT FEASIBLE.

SO BECAUSE IT IS SPECULATIVE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CLIENT AND THERE IS SOME CONCERN AND SOME REQUESTS FOR, YOU KNOW, NOISE ON THE EAST SIDE, WHY WOULD IT NOT BE FEASIBLE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY? UM, THE REASON FOR IT IS ECONOMIES OF SCALE.

UM, IS YOU BUILD A SMALLER BUILDING, THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT GETS MUCH HIGHER.

AND IF OUR COST PER SQUARE FOOT GETS TOO HIGH, THEN WE CAN'T CHARGE A MARKET RATE TO, TO ENTICE TENANTS TO COME TO THE AREA.

AND SO WE WOULD END UP WITH A, A BUILDING, YES, IT MIGHT BE SMALLER, BUT IT'D BE VACANT, AND WE WANNA BRING JOBS TO THE AREA.

AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE.

AND SPECULATIVELY WITH CELESTICA OR CLIENTS OF A SIMILAR NATURE, UM, COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNERS HAD A CONCERN ABOUT NOISE, WHAT WOULD YOU SPECULATIVELY SAY, HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE FOR A CLIENT OF THAT CALIBER? I, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR OPERATION

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WOULD BE.

UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE PUT ALL THE TRUCK DOCKS FACING EXISTING BUILDINGS, SO THERE'S NO TRUCK DOCKS FACING THE STREET AT ALL.

EVERYTHING IS KIND OF HIDDEN.

AND SO WE HAVE A NICE FACADE IN THE FRONT.

UH, WE'VE ALSO COMMITTED, WE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, UM, WITH, UM, CITY OF RICHARDSON PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH, WHICH BY THE WAY, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH THEM.

SO I JUST GOTTA SAY THAT 'CAUSE WE WORK AROUND THE COUNTRY, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE.

UM, SO WE'VE AGREED TO PUT UP SOME SCREENING, UH, THAT WILL ALSO DEAD IN THE SOUND.

AND THEN AS MS. PETERS HAD SHOWN YOU THE ROUTES, UM, IN THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WITH THEM, WE ARE COMMITTED TO EVEN PUTTING THAT IN THE LEASE.

THAT'S THE RECORD, THAT'S THE ROUTES THAT THE TENANTS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE SO THAT NOTHING GOES THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT STAYS IN A COMMERCIAL AREA.

I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE THE RIGHT ONE OR IF MR. MAXWELL, YOUR ARCHITECT'S THE RIGHT ONE.

I, I'LL TRY, BUT OTHERWISE I MIGHT DEFER IT ACTUALLY TO OUR, I SAW HIM TAKING CIVIL ENGINEER NOTES EARLIER WHEN DURING THE BRIEFING SESSION, SO YEAH.

AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IS HERE TOO, TO ANSWER ANYTHING.

UH, YEAH.

SO WHOEVER CAN ADDRESS IT, UH, AGAIN, UM, YOU'VE GOT, UM, QUITE A BIT OF PARKING OUT THERE ON THE CAMPUS AS A WHOLE.

2042 ARE REQUIRED TODAY, AND AT 1998 ARE PROVIDED YET, THE REQUEST IS TO TAKE IT DOWN TO ROUGHLY 1444.

UM, SO JUST WALK ME THROUGH WHY THAT'S NECESSARY.

AND SO LET, LET ME TAKE A STAB AT, TAKE A STAB.

I'LL JUMP IN, BUT HOLD THE HOOK AGAINST ME IN CASE IF I DO SAY SOMETHING WRONG.

BUT, UM, SO, SO HERE'S OUR, SO WE NEED TO BUILD A BUILDING THAT IS COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET, WHICH INCLUDES THE, A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR THE TENANTS.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S USED CURRENTLY ON SITE, AND THERE'S A LOT THAT'S VACANT AND A LOT THAT NEVER GETS USED.

AND SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOWED, IF YOU SEE ON THE PLAN, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE PARKING IF WE DO NEED TO EXPAND IT, BUT WE PREFER TO KEEP IT GREEN SPACE IF WE CAN.

BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT A TENANT DOES REQUIRE, THEN WE CAN EXPAND IT.

BUT OTHERWISE WE PREFER IT TO BE GREEN UPFRONT IF POSSIBLE.

AND KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH EXCESS PARKING ON SITE NOW, IT SEEMED MORE PRUDENT TO AT LEAST START WITH GREEN SPACE RATHER THAN ADD TO ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT MAY SIT VACANT.

UH, MATTHEW GARDNER, HALF ASSOCIATE CIVIL ENGINEER.

YEAH, MAYBE A SPECIFIC QUESTION THEN ABOUT HOW MUCH PARKING YOU HAVE AROUND THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING THAT THE, THAT'S, YEAH.

AND, AND IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.

UM, SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHOWING, WE ROUGHLY HAVE AROUND 250 PARKING SPACES, UH, SHOWN FOR THE NEW CAMPUS.

UM, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE KNOWING THAT THERE'S ROOM TO ADD MORE, BUT ALSO ALREADY HEARING THE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE IS BEING TAKEN AWAY.

SOME OF THOSE FUTURE PARKING SPACES, THERE'S PRETTY GOOD SIZED TREES IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND IF WE BUILD ALL THESE PARKING SPACES THAT, UM, ARE REQUIRED BY CODE, WE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE SITTING EMPTY.

UM, AND WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO ADD MORE PARKING IF THE NEED ARISES.

BUT WHY BUILD EXTRA PARKING? UM, WHEN REALLY YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THE AERIALS, EVERY AERIAL YOU SEE THERE'S VACANT SPOTS ALL OVER THE CAMPUS.

SO YOU SAID TWO 50 FOR, OR IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE PLANS FOR THE, JUST FOR THE NEW BUILDING.

FOR THE, JUST FOR THE NEW BUILDING, YES.

WHICH IS 343,624 SQUARE FEET.

SO THAT'S, UM, IS THAT WHY YOU NEED TO GO TO ADJUST THE, UM, THE RATIOS? UH, UH, TO ME THAT SEEMS LIGHT.

IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU HAD ONE PER THOUSAND ON WAREHOUSE SPACE, YOU WOULD NEED 343.

SO WITH NO, WITH NO OFFICE.

NO, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

BUT, AND WHAT, UM, HOW MUCH OFFICE SPACE DO YOU THINK, ARE YOU SPECULATING CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY THREE AND A HALF PERCENT OFFICE THREE AND A HALF.

ONLY THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.

BUT IN OUR NUMBERS WE STARTED WITH 3.5%, UM, SO THAT WE COULD PICK A STARTING POINT.

UH, AND THAT INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, SPEC BUILDINGS, YOU GET ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO TWO TO 5%.

UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO UP EVEN HIGHER,

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UM, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD SOME PARKING HERE, BUT IN OTHER, UH, CITIES AROUND, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN WAREHOUSE APPROVED AT ONE PER 2000.

UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE THE, THE CURRENT CODE IN RICHARDSON IS A, IS A, IS A LITTLE MUCH, BUT, UM, WE'RE ALSO NOT TRYING TO GO TO 2000.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT RESTRICT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THAT CODE JUST SLIGHTLY.

UM, SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IF, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S SPECULATIVE.

LET'S SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT MORE OFFICE IN THIS BUILDING, WE COULD DO THAT IF, IF THE CODE WOULD ALLOW, UM, FOR SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS.

SO I, I GUESS I'D JUST LIKE TO RE I GUESS I'D LIKE TO JUST REITERATE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, OTHERWISE I CAN'T LEASE IT.

SO, UM, , WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING, BUT WE WOULD PREFER ALSO TO TRY TO KEEP THE GREEN SPACE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WELL, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT, UH, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PARKING ON THE CAMPUS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AROUND THE BUILDING, THE NEW BUILDING, YOU'VE ONLY GOT TWO 50.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET TO ARE, ARE YOU EITHER GONNA BUILD OUT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING AS GREEN SPACE IN THE FU FUTURE PARKING IN ORDER TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT? OR ARE YOU GONNA USE IT OFF THE OTHER EXISTING LOTS, YOU KNOW, TO THE EAST AND WEST OF SIDES OF THE PROPERTY? WELL, THE EXISTING LOTS ALREADY HAVE EXCESS PARKING.

OUR INTENT IS TO START WITH THE GREEN SPACE, AND THEN TO THE EXTENT WE DO NEED TO ADD MORE PARKING, THEN WE WOULD ADD THAT FUTURE PARKING.

UM, IF YOU NOTICE THOUGH, THOUGH, AND I DON'T KNOW, IS THIS THE REMOTE TO GET TO THE PLAN? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN SEE IF I CAN FIND THE PLAN.

WHAT, NOPE, WRONG WAY.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AND OH, HOW DO WE POINT, HOW DOES THE POINTER WORK? ? SO THE WHAT BUTTON? THREE.

AH, OKAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE IS IN THIS BUILDING HERE, THEY STILL HAVE A FAR WALK SOMETIMES TO GET TO THE, TO THEIR BUILDING.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE PARKS HERE, IT'S, AND IT'S FURTHER OF A WALK FROM THIS AREA TO GO HERE, OR THIS AREA TO GO HERE THAN IT IS FROM THIS GUY OVER HERE TO GO BACK TO THIS BUILDING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ON ONE CAMPUS.

SO WE LOOK AT IT AS THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE, AND EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A FEW EXTRA STEPS IN THE DAY, AS IT IS TO GET INTO THAT.

TO ME, IT'S A BIT OF A BAIT AND SWITCH, THOUGH, IN WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING OF, LIKE, WE'RE SHOWING, YOU'RE SHOWING IT AS GREEN SPACE TODAY, WHICH EVERYBODY LOVES AND PRESERVING THE TREES.

UH, BUT IF YOU'RE UNDER PARKED TO START WITH, AND, UH, IT'S REALLY IS COULD BE TOO FAR OF A WALK TO THOSE OTHER LOTS TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE OFFICE IS LOCATED, YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO BUILD THAT PARKING, UH, TO MEET.

THERE'S A CHANCE WE CAN, THERE IS A CHANCE WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IT.

I WE COULD GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT DAY ONE, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD PREFER US TO SEE IF WE REALLY NEED IT BEFORE WE BUILT IT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE PROPOSED IT THE WAY WE DID.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER POINTER.

FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

UM, AND WE'VE BUILT AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE HAVE SEEN PARKING RATIOS, UM, LESS THAN WHAT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON REQUIRES NOW AND BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR THOSE FACILITIES.

CHAIRMAN MARSH , YOU KNOW WHAT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS YOUR, I'M SORRY, .

I CAN'T, YOUR RED LIGHT.

I CAN BARELY SEE THERE.

YOU, YOU GO.

UH, IN THIS DEPICTION, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE TREES IN THE ENTRYWAY ANYMORE.

WERE THEY GONE? NO, THEY'RE JUST HITTING, THEY'RE, WELL, COULD YOU SHOW ME AND THEN WHAT? YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE OF THE GREEN SHADE, BUT WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO REALLY DO MUCH GRADING AROUND.

NO, YOU'RE SHOWING ME THE SIDEWALK AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ENTRYWAY WHERE IT SAYS DRIVEWAY IN THE CENTER.

I DON'T SEE TREES IN THE, IN THE CURRENT PICTURE.

THERE'S SOME TREES.

AS YOU ENTER THE DRIVEWAY, THOSE TREES RIGHT THERE WILL BE REMOVED.

SO THE ORIGINAL OFFICE BUILDING SITS WAY BACK HERE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO THOSE DRIVEWAY TREES ARE GONNA BE REMOVED.

AND THEN WHERE DOES THE BUILDING SET BACK? HOW MANY FEET BACK FROM THE CURRENT SIDEWALK IS THE BUILDING? AND THEN I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE PICTURE TAKEN FROM ACROSS THE STREET.

'CAUSE IT'S GONNA LOOK A WHOLE LOT.

WELL, GO AHEAD.

SO THE BUILDING SETBACK IS, IS 40 FOOT HAS A FRONT SETBACK, AND SO

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OH, THE BUILDING, OKAY.

THE BUILDING'S EVEN FURTHER BACK THAN THAT.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO STAY AND WE'RE, WE'RE LEAVING THE, WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ANYWAYS THAT'S ALONG THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAINTAIN, UM, THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY DESIGNED ONCE WE GET PAST THE, THE ZONING STEP OF THIS.

WHEN YOU SAY LINK LANDSCAPE BUFFER, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE CURRENT TREES THAT ARE ALONG THE SIDEWALK? YES.

THAT'LL BE A, THERE'LL BE A PART OF THE ANALYSIS WE HAVE TO KEEP, AND WE HAVE OKAY.

PART OF THE ANALYSIS, BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING, OKAY.

AND THEN CAN YOU GO TO THE, UH, TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THE CURRENT PHOTO? UH, NOT THE AERIAL.

SO THAT'S WILL TRUCK TRAFFIC COME IN AND OUT OF THIS? OKAY.

WILL THOSE TREES THAT, UM, THAT ARE, I CAN BARELY SEE THE BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT WILL THOSE TREES THAT I CAN SEE IN THAT PHOTO BE TAKEN OUT? THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL BEHIND THE POND AND THE POND IS COMPLETELY BEING TAKEN OUT.

SO ALL THESE TREES YES.

WILL BE TAKEN OUT.

THE FURTHER YOU GO, THE FURTHER YOU GO.

UM, NORTHEAST IS WHERE, WHERE WE SHOW THE FUTURE.

SO GO BACK TO THAT PHOTO.

UH, THAT SHOWS ME PRETTY BARE AREA.

THEN WHEN THOSE TREES ARE TAKEN OUT, IT'S, WOULD YOU AGREE OR IT'S GONNA BE A BUILDING.

SO IT'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT FEEL.

UH, THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL IN THAT ORIGINAL BUILDING? IT LOOKED LIKE A LOT OF GLASS.

THE EXISTING BUILDING IS AN OFFICE BUILDING, SO THERE IS MORE GLASS.

UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND HOW TALL IS THE EXISTING BUILDING? UH, ONE STORY? I, NO, IT'S THREE STORIES.

IT'S THREE STORIES, BUT IT'S GLASS.

WITH IT.

IT'S GLASS.

SO IT HAS A DIFFERENT FEELING.

IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT FEEL.

AND SO YOU'RE, THAT BUILDING SITS BACK HOW FAR? THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING? THAT I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE.

AND THE CURRENT BUILDING WILL BE 40 FEET BACK, AND THAT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET.

IT'S GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT FEEL.

IS IT 40 FEET BACK OR FURTHER? IT'S THE PARKING LOT IS THE SETBACK IS 40 FOOT, BUT THE BUILDING IS PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSER TO 70 IN MOST AREAS.

DOES THAT, WHEN YOU SAY 70, DOES THAT, THAT FRONT FACADE, THE VERY CENTER FRONT FACADE, IS THAT GONNA BE 70 FEET BACK? PROBABLY.

SO, BUT THOSE TREES ARE GOING WHERE THE BLACKBOARD, THE TREES ARE GONE.

THE, THE, THE CLOSEST THE BUILDING'S EVER GONNA GET IS GONNA BE AT THIS DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE WAY TELECOM'S SHAPED THE FURTHER, IF WE GO TO THE AERIAL, THE CLOSEST WE'RE EVER GONNA BE IS RIGHT IN THIS AREA.

AND THE BUILDING SQUARES OFF.

SO BY THE TIME YOU GET TO RESEARCH, YOU'RE FURTHER BACK OFF.

SO THOSE, THOSE TWO SETS OF TREES THAT ARE COMING IN LIKE THAT AND HAVE THE DRIVEWAY THROUGH, OR THAT'S ALL GONNA BE GONE.

UH, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY AS THESE TREES WE CAN, THOSE ON THE CORNER, I CAN SEE HOW THOSE COULD STAY.

SO WHAT ABOUT THOSE ONES ON THE, ON THE, UH, OPPOSITE CORNER? THIS ONE? YEAH.

WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH AS THAT AS WE CAN COME IN, COME IN AN INCH.

ARE ALL THOSE GONE TOO? IT'S GONNA BE CLOSED.

THANKS.

COMMISSIONER POYNTER, THE EXISTING BUILDING TODAY IS APPROXIMATELY 315 FEET SETBACK FROM, UH, WHAT IS THAT RESEARCH? UM, AND THEN TODAY, OR THE PROPOSED PLAN? UH, THE BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET.

AND IS THERE JUST NO MARKET TODAY FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING? IS IT OBSOLETE? IS IT IN BAD SHAPE? I MEAN, JUST, IT'S FINANCIALLY BETTER TO TEAR IT DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH THE WAREHOUSE VERSUS TRYING TO RELEASE IT AS OFFICE.

UM, SO COULD YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CLEAR HEIGHT AND UM, UM, WHY THE NEED TO GO TO 50 FEET? UH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS, UH, THIS IS A PHENOMENON THAT'S BEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY.

SO I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS A LONG, LONG TIME WHERE WE STARTED OFF AT 20 FOOT CLEAR, AND IT'S SLOWLY HAS GROWN.

A LOT OF NEW BUILDINGS ARE EVEN WHAT'S CALLED 40 FOOT CLEAR.

BECAUSE OF THIS SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WE BELIEVE WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE AT 36 FOOT CLEAR, WHICH MEANS THERE'S GOTTA BE 36 FEET FROM THE FLOOR OF THE BUILDING TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE JOISTS.

SO THEN WHEN WE ADD THE JOISTS, IT ADDS ANOTHER FOUR FEET.

SO NOW WE'RE AT 40 FEET, BUT 40 FEET'S GOTTA BE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

AND SO THE ROOF LINE IS SLOPED IN ORDER TO DRAIN FOR RAIN.

AND SO WHILE THE LOWEST POINT MIGHT BE AT 40, THE HIGHEST POINT IS HIGHER.

AND THEN WE'RE ADDING THE PARAPET WALL TO BE ABLE TO SCREEN ANY EQUIPMENT THAT'S ON THE ROOF.

SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT.

AND THIS CAME UP, UH, I KNOW ON A, WE HAD A SIMILAR CASE, UH, HERE RECENTLY.

UM,

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THERE.

THERE IS NO MARKET FOR THE OFFICE AT ALL.

UH, IT IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE SEEING IT AROUND THE COUNTRY TOO, WHERE PEOPLE ARE REPURPOSING OFFICES FOR RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER THINGS, OR THEY'RE BEING TORN DOWN.

IT'S, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN VACANT? UH, FUJITSU STILL IS IN THE BUILDING MM-HMM .

BUT THEY'RE LEAVING.

UM, AND THEN IT WILL, IT WILL REMAIN VACANT BECAUSE THERE'S NO MARKET FOR IT.

WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVE BROKERS ON THE BUILDING ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THE NEW BUILDING, AND THEY ALSO DO OFFICE, AND THEY SAY OFFICE IS THE WAY THEY SAY IT IS.

OFFICE IS DEAD.

IS IS THE BUILDING ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER STILL VACANT? IT'S, UH, ABOUT 60% VACANT.

UH, WE'VE LEASED 40% TO ANOTHER TECHNOLOGY COMPANY.

UM, SO THAT IS OUR FOCUS IS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO, TO KEEP IT, KEEP IT IN THAT KIND OF VEIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND HOW ABOUT YOUR OCCUPANCY ON THE TWO LARGER MANUFACTURING ASSEMBLY BUILDINGS? THEY'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT LEASED TO CELESTICA.

UM, YEAH.

AND THAT THE BUILDING ON THE WEST IS A 30 FOOT CLEAR ALREADY MM-HMM .

SO ON THE CAMPUS, THE ONE ON THE EAST, I THINK IS 24 FOOT CLEAR.

BUT BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS, AT LEAST TO CELESTICA, THEY'RE LOADING, TRUCK LOADING IS ALL ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF I RECALL.

THAT IS CORRECT.

SO THEY HAVE NOTHING, NO LOADING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE WEST BUILDING OR, UM, NO, I DON'T.

EAST SIDE OF THE EAST BUILDING? NO, IT'S ALL ON THE NORTH SIDE AT, YEAH.

ALL ON THE NORTH SIDES, CORRECT.

UH, WOULD YOU BE, UH, OPEN TO, UH, RESTRICTING THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT COULD BE BUILT IN THE GREEN SPACE WHERE YOU CURRENTLY GOT THAT SHOWN AS THAT EXPANSION, PARKING? LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE CAN, WE NEED TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET.

SO WHILE WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT GREEN, IF WE DO NEED TO BUILD IT FOR PARKING, I, I WOULD LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO STILL BUILD IT FOR PARKING, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP IT AS GREEN SPACE.

BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE, UH, PARKING RATIOS THAT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE 1440 SPACES.

YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU'VE GOT 1998.

SO UNDER, YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED THAT FLEXIBILITY TO ADD EVEN MORE PARKING OVER AND ABOVE WHAT YOU ALREADY NEED? WE, SO YES.

IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT BEING ABLE TO, TO BRING NEW BUSINESSES AND NEW JOBS INTO THE MARKET MM-HMM .

AND IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE DO NEED THAT FLEXIBILITY.

SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY WILLING TO GIVE UP THAT SHRINK THAT AREA FOR THE FUTURE EXPANSION, PARKING AT ALL? WE, WE WOULD PREFER NOT.

I MEAN, WE COULD GO AND BUILD THE NOW, BUT WE LIKE TO TRY TO, I'M JUST, I'M STRUGGLING WITH YOUR ARGUMENT.

LIKE YOU MAY NEED MORE PARKING, BUT YOU'VE GOT EXTRA PARKING, YOU'RE TELLING US YOU'VE GOT EXTRA PARKING, AND YET YOU'RE SAYING YOU MAY NEED TO BUILD MORE, BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE ZONING, UH, TO REDUCE THE PARKING EVEN LESS THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

UM, AND YES, WE, WE LIKE THAT ABILITY.

IF, IF NOT, WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD IT TODAY, BUT I THINK WE TRY TO DO IT WITHOUT IT FIRST.

AND THEN I, I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.

THE BRIEFING SESSION ABOUT THE TRUCK COURT, DO YOU HAVE THE DIMENSIONS ON THAT? IT'S 130 FOOT TRUCK COURT, AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME TRAILER PARKING THAT ADDS ANOTHER 55 FEET.

SO IN CERTAIN AREAS IT'S 185 FEET AND OTHER AREAS IT'S ONE 30.

SO PERHAPS ON THE SITE COULD, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN? YEAH.

SO EXHIBIT B RIGHT THERE? YEAH.

HERE IT'S ONE 30 AND THEN HERE IT'S 180 5.

SO THOSE SPACES AND WHERE YOUR POINTER WAS JUST AT, THOSE ARE ALL TRUCK TRAILER PARKING, THEY'RE YES.

SPACES RIGHT THERE, CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AGAIN, HIDDEN.

HIDDEN FROM THE, FOR THOSE THAT ARE, THAT, UH, US THAT DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF A, A TRAILER'S? WELL, THE, THE, THE TRAILER ITSELF IS 53 FEET.

THE CAB AND THEN WHAT, WHAT WAS IT? 80 75.

UM, THEN YOU ADD

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75.

THAT'S 75.

THAT'S WHY WE, EVERYBODY'S HERE.

SO WE CAN ALL ANSWER THE QUESTION.

SO, UH, WITH THE TRUCK COURT OF 130 FEET, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR TRAFFIC, UM, GOING THROUGH THE SIDE, TURNING RADIUS, ALL THAT.

UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE BUILD SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LEASE AND, AND TENANTS WOULD STAY.

AND THOSE, AND THOSE TRAILER, THOSE ARE TRAILER TRAILER'S, PARKING SPOTS OVER THERE.

WHAT ARE THE, ARE THOSE 55 FEET? 60 55? THEY'RE 55 FEET AND A TRAILER, UM, CAN ONLY BE 53 FEET.

SO THEY'RE TWO FEET BIGGER THAN A, A TRAILER'S CAN ACTUALLY BE ON THE ROAD.

DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I'LL JUST, TOM MAXWELL, UM, 1600 NORTH COLLINS RICHARDSON, SOMETHING 5 0 8 OH.

UH, JUST ON THE PARKING REDUCTION.

IT'S REALLY, LIKE I SAID, TO ADD FLEXIBILITY.

IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT RATIOS FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

UM, AND THE, THE EXISTING SITE IS PARKING IS SO UNDERUTILIZED.

UM, AND JUST, WE DON'T WANT TO, EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE USE IN THE BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THE, UM, BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PARKING.

AND SO IF, IF THIS BECAME, IF WE HAD WAREHOUSE, IT'S ONE NUMBER.

IF IT BECAME ALL, UM, MANUFACTURING, IT'S ANOTHER NUMBER.

IF IT BECAME ALL OFFICE, IT'S ANOTHER NUMBER.

BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING ON THE SITE FOR ANY OF THOSE USES.

UM, SOME CITIES ARE COMPLETELY DOING AWAY WITH PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR WAREHOUSES.

DALLAS ONE HAS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING.

UM, WE DO AS, UH, THE CHAIRMAN KNOWS, OUR COMPANY DOES WAREHOUSES ALL, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY IN DALLAS AREA.

AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A PARKING YOU THIS, YOU MAY GET A USER HERE THAT USES HALF OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE EXISTING OR, OR ON THE NEW PARKING.

AND YOU MAY GET ONE THAT NEEDS DOUBLE THAT.

RIGHT? SO WE DON'T WANNA PROVIDE PARKING, UM, MORE THAN, UH, MORE THAN IS NEEDED.

UM, WE DON'T WANT A PARKING LOT THAT'S JUST EMPTY WITH, WITH 10, 10 CARS THERE.

UM, THE, THE UNIQUE THING THAT YOU HAVE HERE, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET A USER THAT IS MAXING OUT THEIR PARKING, IT'S A NIGHTMARE, RIGHT? THEY'RE TRYING TO PARK ON THE STREET AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

THE UNIQUE THING WE HAVE HERE IS THAT EXISTING HUGE PARKING LOT THAT WE HAVE THAT CAN BE USED FOR OVERFLOW.

UM, SO REALLY THAT'S THE, THE MAIN REASON FOR THE REDUCTION IS THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

THE CALCULATIONS WERE BASED ON ONE USE WAREHOUSE, I GUESS, IS THAT RIGHT? WAS BASED ON 3% OFFICE, 3%, OFFICE THREE.

BUT IF IT, RIGHT, BUT IF IT WENT MORE OFFICE, UM, THEN THAT, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE VARI FOR THE VARIANCE IN THE PARKING.

MUCH BETTER THAN THAT .

AND, AND JUST JUST TO, I'LL TRY TO GET OFF PARKING HERE.

UH, BUT THE, UM, THE REQUEST, UH, ON THE, UH, ASSEMBLY MANUFACTURING LABORATORY IS TO GO FROM ONE PER 400 SQUARE FEET TO ONE PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

IS THAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND THAT? I'M SORRY.

WE'RE GONNA BRING EVERYBODY UP EVENTUALLY.

SO, BECAUSE ONE PER 400 IS MORE ALMOST CLOSE TO AN OFFICE TYPE, UM, REQUIREMENT, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE ONE PER 300.

SO THIS IS GOING TO MORE OF AN A, A, A WAREHOUSE RATIO.

AND, AND THE REASON THAT, UH, I ACTUALLY PUT THAT REQUEST IN, UM, WAS FOR THE SHEER FACT THAT R AND D LIGHT ASSEMBLY MANUFACTURING LAB SPACE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LARGER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

SO WITH LARGER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, THAT'S GOING TO EAT UP MORE FLOOR SPACE.

SO IT'S GOING TO GREATLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IN THAT SPACE.

UM, SO KNOWING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CATER TO R AND D AND ASSEMBLY, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE EQUIPMENT THAN EMPLOYEES.

CELESTICA DOES ALL THAT NOW AS WELL AS OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE.

AND CAN I GET YOUR NAME AGAIN? UH, MIKE MCGEE, UH, DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT FOR DAYTON STREET.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I GUESS THE ONE THING, OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THE CURRENT USE HAS LAB SPACE, LIGHT ASSEMBLY.

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SO IT'S A, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CURRENT USE IS.

AND, AND WITH REGARD TO REQUESTING THE 1250, UM, ON A NATIONAL AVERAGE, WE'RE SEEING ABOUT, UH, ONE PER 1500.

UH, SO I DIDN'T ASK FOR, I, I GUESS I DIDN'T ASK FOR THE FULL AMOUNT THAT WE'RE SEEING ON A NATIONAL BASIS.

UM, I TRIED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE, SAY THE REQUIREMENT'S A THOUSAND, WE'RE SEEING 1500, LET'S ASK FOR 1250 AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.

AND I, I JUST DID THE QUICK MATH, UM, THAT I, I WAS USING THREE AND A HALF PERCENT OFFICE, SO THAT'S WHAT I HEARD EARLIER.

UM, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 12,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AT ONE PER 300, UH, WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT 40 SPACES.

AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THE BUILDING AT ONE PER 1250 WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT 2 65.

UH, SO THAT I CAN, BY MY MATH, IT'S ABOUT 305 SPACES.

YOU SAY YOU'RE PROVIDING TWO 50.

SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WERE TO LEASE IT AT THREE AND HALF PERCENT OFFICE WITH YOUR, USING YOUR RATIOS, YOU'VE PROPOSED YOU'D PROBABLY BE ABOUT 50 SHORT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M KEEP GOING TO WHERE, WHERE ARE THOSE EXTRA 50 GONNA BE? ABSOLUTELY.

AND IF I CAN AND, AND MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE ACTUAL USE IS, IS NOT GONNA BE, UH, THE OCCUPANTS ARE GONNA USE IT MORE TO ONE PER 1500 AND YOU DON'T REALLY NEED ALL THAT.

BUT IF YOU BUILD OUT MORE OFFICE, YOU WILL NEED, YOU KNOW, MORE SPACES PROBABLY IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, UH, WE, AND WE, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE BEING TELEVISED.

NO PROBLEM.

UM, SO WHERE I THINK THE PARKING COUNT WAS LOST A LITTLE BIT, UM, WAS WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING HERE, UH, NORTH OF THE FIRE LANE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED FOR THIS BUILDING.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S THERE MAYBE ABOUT 50 SPOTS, PLUS OR MINUS IN THIS AREA.

AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN WE PULLED THOSE OUT IN THE LAST RE ITERATION, IT DIDN'T FACTOR INTO THE PARKING COUNCIL.

WELL, AGAIN, I'M, I'M LOOKING TO PRESERVE MORE OF THAT GREEN SPACE BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COME BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO.

AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE TREES BEING REMOVED, THE POND BEING REMOVED, UH, AND NOW YOU'RE SHOWING US GREEN SPACE.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THIS MAY BE A PARKING LOT IN THE FUTURE WHEN BY, BY CODE OF WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, YOU SHOULD NEED TO BUILD THERE.

WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING AND WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IT TODAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING AT IS YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS EXTRA PARKING, UM, AND YET THAT'S THE AREA THAT YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE YOUR FU FUTURE PARKING LOT THAT YOU NEED TO BUILD.

WELL, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL BE, I, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO REVISE THE COUNT OR THE ASK TO ONE PER 1500 INSTEAD OF THE ONE PER, I DON'T THINK IT'S SO MUCH THE COUNT AS IT IS THAT THE INTENT AND WHERE YOU'RE GONNA, WHERE YOU PLAN TO PUT IT.

IF, IF WE HAVE TO ADD MORE PARKING, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IF WE NEEDED TO SATISFY THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THIS PARKING.

NOW, THIS PARKING NOW AND THIS PARKING NOW, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS WOULD STILL STAY GREEN.

BUT WE WOULD ADD SOME HERE, SOME HERE AND SOME HERE.

WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PRESERVE IT, BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESERVE IT.

UM, AND TO EXTENT THAT BASED UPON, TOM SAID IT THE BEST, IT DEPENDS ON EVENTUALLY HOW THE USE MAKEUP IS, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW THE, WHO COMES INTO THE BUILDING AND HOW THEY USE THE BUILDING.

SO WE, WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT AMOUNT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I THINK THE QUITE, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT IS, IS IF WE HAD TO FOLLOW THE CODE TODAY, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IN THAT GREEN SPACE NOW.

SO BY REDUCING THE CODE TODAY, IT ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY SAVE THE GREEN SPACE.

IS THAT A FAIR WAY TO SAY IT? SO, OKAY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO TRY TO KEEP IT, AND TO DO THAT, WE DO HAVE TO ASK FOR THE PARKING REDUCTION IN ORDER TO MEET THE, OTHERWISE

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THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.

AGAIN, THE , THE NUMBERS SAY YOU'RE 50 SPOTS SHORT TODAY.

WELL THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IT TODAY, SO, RIGHT.

BUT YOU'RE ASKING TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO 1,440.

SO YOU'RE, UH, IT'S A A 500 O OVER 500, ALMOST, UH, ALMOST 600 SPACES BEING ELIMINATED IS WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

SO YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING.

IF WE WERE TO GRANT THAT THE NEW RATIOS, YOU'VE GOT ALMOST 600 SPACES THERE, AND YET YOU'RE SAYING YOU MAY HAVE TO COME BACK AND BUILD MORE FROM A, FROM A MARKET MARKETING STANDPOINT.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS WHERE IS THAT PARKING GONNA GO? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA GO IN THE GREEN SPACE.

I JUST TALKED TO MY DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE OKAY.

DROPPING THE REQUEST TO REDUCE THE PARKING.

SO WE, WE, WE CAN DROP THE REQUEST TO REDUCE THE PARKING, UM, FROM THE PROPOSAL.

WE WERE TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS, BUT WE COULD DROP IT.

I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO, WE'RE HAPPY TO REVISIT AND RUN THE NUMBERS AND YEAH, MEET WITH THE COUNCIL AGAIN.

CHAIRMAN MARSH, THE OTHER WOULD BE MAYBE A RENDERING OF THE FRONT OF THE FACADE THAT I KNOW THAT THE RENDER.

THERE YOU GO.

WELL, ALL RIGHT, SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE ONE OVER THE EXACT FRONT OF THE FACADE.

IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS, BUT ALSO IN THE MIDDLE, YOUR DRIVE BY.

THAT'S SO, HOLD ON.

YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THAT RENDERING, DO WE? I THOUGHT WE HAD A RENDERING OF THE MIDDLE.

SO WE DON'T, SO THIS IS THE NORTH, UH, I'M SORRY, THE EAST SIDE, AND THEN THAT'S THE WEST SIDE.

THAT SAME STOREFRONT AND SAME GLASS WOULD ALSO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING.

SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING IN TO THAT MAIN DRIVEWAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UM, WHEN YOU DROVE IN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE CHAIRMAN THOMASON, I WAS HOPING YOU COULD ELABORATE ON ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING TO MITIGATE NOISE POLLUTION, UH, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE USAGE CASE OF TRUCKS IN 74 BAYS.

I, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THE ORIENTATION, UH, PROBABLY IS THE BIGGEST, UM, FACTOR IN THIS.

UM, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT HERE, AND I'M GUESSING THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT NOISE IN TRUCKS IF YOU'RE IN YOUR BUSINESS.

SO IF YOU COULD TALK TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, UM, THAT IS, AS I READ THROUGH THE RESIDENTS AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS YET, MY GUESS IS IS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE NUMBER ONE TOPIC THAT COMES UP IS EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE TRUCKS.

SO THE TR TRAFFIC, BUT THEN ULTIMATELY THE TRUCKS AND THE UNLOADING AND LOADING OF A WAREHOUSE.

SO TRYING TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON, AS THE DEVELOPERS, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE NOT THE TENANTS, UM, PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP MITIGATE NOISE POLLUTION, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

I'LL TAKE A STAB AND THEN THE TEAM CAN JUMP IN IF AND SO FORTH.

SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK TO, I'M PROBABLY GOING THE WRONG WAY, UM, TRYING TO FIND THIS, THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

SO YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE HAVE ORIENTATED THE TRUCKS TO THE NORTH.

THEY ALL THE DOCKS NOW ALL BUT UP AGAINST AN EXISTING BUILDING.

SO FROM A NOISE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT, IT'S BEING BLOCKED BY THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.

WE ARE ADDING, UM, A TREE BUFFER HERE AND A TREE BUFFER HERE AS WELL, WHICH WILL ABSORB THE SOUND.

UM, AND, AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE REASON I WANTED TO PULL THIS ONE UP IS WE ARE GOING TO PUT INTO THE LEASES THAT THE TRUCKS ARE REQUIRED TO USE THESE ROUTES, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY ARE STAYING FAR AWAY AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM ANY HOMEOWNERS.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE HOMEOWNERS SHOULD NOT BE AFFECTED BASED UPON HOW WE ARE REQUIRING ANY TENANT WHO MOVES INTO THIS BUILDING, UH, TO

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USE THE ROADS NEARBY.

UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SO, UH, WE'LL ASK THE PUBLIC TO COME FORWARD AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK, UH, WHEN THEY'RE DONE SPEAKING.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, SO THIS IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ANYONE'S INVITED TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH.

UH, DO I HAVE TO GET MY ADDRESS AND JUST SAY, UH, WELL, WELL, MY NAME IS ALBERT SMITH, UM, CREEK HOLLOW RE RESIDENCE.

UH, SO YEAH, WE DO NEED YOUR ADDRESS.

MY ADDRESS.

MY ADDRESS IS 3 0 6 2 BLACK FIELD DRIVE.

RICHARDSON BLACK.

YEAH, ONE WORD, BLACK FIELD.

SO I, I JUST THOUGHT OF A FEW POINTS THAT I WANTED TO EXPRESS.

UM, AND I'M AGAINST IT.

UM, IF YOU GUYS RECALL, LIKE SOME YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A, UM, A FEDEX, I'VE TRIED TO COME AND PRETTY MUCH THAT SAME LOCATION, AND IT WAS, UH, KIND OF VOTED DOWN, BUT I THINK THIS IS A CLEVER PLAN TO MASQUERADE A TRUCKING TERMINAL BECAUSE, UH, IT'S GOT 74 BAYS AND THERE'S NOTHING TOO RESTRICTING FROM ADDING MORE LATER IF THEY TEAR DOWN OTHER BUILDINGS.

AND SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHERE MY MAIN, MY MAIN CONCERNS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO THAT THEY MENTIONED THAT THE PARKING, WELL, I THINK PARKING ISN'T A PROBLEM BECAUSE IF IT'S A TRUCKING TERMINAL, YOU DON'T NEED MUCH AUTO AUTOMOBILE PARKING, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OTHER POINT.

UM, UH, OH, SO, AND ALSO I NOTICED THAT THE DRAWINGS, THEY DON'T EVER SHOW THE 74 TRUCK BASE.

IT'S A CLEVER WAY OF KIND OF HIDING IT THAT WE DON'T REALLY SEE WHAT THE, UH, THE REAL END USE IS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO IT'S KIND OF A, A SHAME, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CAMPUSES IN RICHARDSON THAT WE'RE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN AND MAKE A TRUCKING DISTRIBUTION CENTER OR, AND TERMINAL, HOWEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, UH, THE TRUCK NOISE.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS EITHER.

UM, AGAIN, WE, WE SAY GOT BUFFERS AND ALL THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL THE PLAN TO, UM, TO, TO MITIGATE NOISE IS REALLY, I'VE BEEN THOUGHT, BEEN WELL THOUGHT THROUGH.

UH, SO, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE.

UH, Y YOU KNOW, I WOULD WONDER WHY THEN THE CITY PLANNING WORK WITH, UM, UH, WITH DAYTON, I GUESS, UM, AND, AND TRY TO SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T WE FIND A BETTER WAY TO KEEP THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, MAYBE ADD SOME MORE OFFICE BUILDINGS, MAKE A AI, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GET AI COMPANIES TO RELOCATE HERE FROM DA FROM, UH, FROM, UH, CALIFORNIA OR PLACES LIKE THAT RATHER THAN TEAR IT DOWN.

UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE LACK OF VISION FOR THE AREA.

UH, AND SO MY, MY REQUEST TO THE CITY, NOT TO CHANGE ITS ZONING, UH, BUT TO WORK WITH, UH, DAVE TO TRY TO GET A BETTER, A BETTER PLAN.

UM, AND ALSO THE JOBS I MENTIONED.

WELL, YOU KNOW, RICHARDSON, WE WANT HIGH TECH JOBS.

THIS IS A HIGH TECH COURTIER, UH, YOU KNOW, COURTIER.

SO, UH, I DON'T THINK DISTRIBUTION, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT TRUCK TRUCKING JOBS OR, UH, WAREHOUSE JOBS ARE THE KIND OF JOBS, HIGH TECH JOBS THAT WE REALLY WANT.

SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE BETTER, BETTER SOLUTIONS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO THE ADMIT YOU IN DROP, UM, DROPPING THE PARKING, UH, WELL, THAT MEANS IF YOU DROP THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, THAT MEANS THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE.

SO THAT WAS IT.

YOU CAN, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

UM, I'M ANGELA SMITH.

UM, I LIVE AT 30 62 BLACK FIELD DRIVE IN RICHARDSON.

SO I JUST HAD, UM, A FEW THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

AND IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THIS EVENING ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION.

UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AIR POLLUTION.

UM, SO WHEN THIS IS, WHEN THIS BUILDING IS, WHEN YOU DISMANTLE IT, UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT, UM, LIKE THE DUST.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE MADE OF.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO CAUSE ANY HEALTH ISSUES WITH ANYONE WHO MAY BE ASTHMA SUFFERERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, AND THE NOISE.

SO I WORK FROM HOME, UM, AND THEY HAD OTHER TRUCKING FACILITIES THAT WERE BUILT OVER IN OUR AREA.

AND DURING THAT TIME, I CAN HEAR THAT ALL DAY

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LONG.

UM, WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON, I HEAR THE BEEPING OF THE TRUCKS, I HEAR, UM, ANYTHING, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT GOES ON, AND IT'S QUITE DISTRACTING WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK.

UM, SO REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD.

I WAS JUST REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE NOISE.

AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

UM, SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.

UM, I DO KNOW SOMETIMES WE WILL HEAR TRUCKS THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, UM, GOING, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA.

SO WHEN I LOOK OUT MY FRONT DOOR, I SEE TRUCKS, I SEE, UM, BUILDINGS SUCH AS THE ONES THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO, TO BUILD.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANNA CONTINUE TO SEE WHEN I'M LOOKING OUT MY FRONT DOOR.

UM, IT'S JUST TRUCKS OR 74 BAYS, AND THEY MAY PUT A BUFFER THERE, BUT I'M VERY CLOSE.

I CAN, I CAN HEAR, I'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR THAT, UM, THE NOISE FROM THE TRAFFIC THAT THAT'S COMING IN THROUGH THERE AS WELL.

UH, UH, ANYONE ELSE? HI, MY NAME IS ERIC SCOTT, 41 44 BENLEY.

I'M ALSO A CREEK HOLLOW RESIDENT.

UM, I DON'T HAPPEN TO LIVE AS CLOSE AS THE TWO RESIDENTS THAT ALREADY SPOKE, UH, LIVE, BUT I WANT TO ECHO THE POINT THAT WAS JUST MADE ABOUT THE BEEPING.

I I LIVE BY STINSON ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER AWAY FROM, UH, THE RESIDENCE HERE, BUT I CAN HEAR THE BEEPING EVEN AT MY HOUSE FROM THE TRUCKS THAT ARE OPERATING IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA, THAT'S TO THE SOUTH AND EAST, THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THERE, 74 BAYS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNT IS ON, ON THE, THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL AREA, BUT 74 BAYS IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL EXTRA BEEPING.

SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED FOR MY NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE CLOSER ALONG BLACK FIELD OR ALONG, UM, UH, BRECKENRIDGE THAT WOULD BE MORE IMPACTED BY THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

HI, UM, I'M TERRY MASTERS AT 29 88 MARLA LANE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN OVER THAT AREA.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA, BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS.

WE BASICALLY HAD ALREADY BEEN TOLD THOSE TREES WILL BE DEMOLISHED.

THOSE BIG, HUGE, BEAUTIFUL TREES WILL BE GONE.

THE POND WILL BE GONE, TAKES AWAY FROM THE WHOLE AREA.

UH, OF COURSE NOISE IS A CONCERN.

UM, TRAFFIC IS A, A CONCERN.

THE STREETS ARE CONCERN.

UH, JUST THE WHOLE LOOK OF THE AREA IS GONNA BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

UM, WE KNOW THIS IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW SOMETHING BEING 74 BASE IS CONSIDERED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

I MEAN, YOU GOTTA REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.

FUJITSU, WHO'S ALSO IN THERE WAS NOT GOING TO LEAVE.

THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEY'D BE LEAVING.

SO I'M WITH MR. SMITH AS FAR AS WHY HAVE THEY NOT TRIED TO BRING IN TECH COMPANIES TO OCCUPY THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA.

SO I DON'T THINK WAREHOUSE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS AREA.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE DENIED.

CORPORATE, UM, RESIDENT THERE.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

OH YEAH, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

MY NAME IS PETER GOS AND I LIVE AT 29 82 MARLOW LANE IN THE CREEK HOLLOW SUBDIVISION.

AND LIKE WAS JUST REITERATED, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POLLUTION IN THE AREA, THE TRAFFIC, THE NOISE.

UM, 74 BAYS JUST SEEMS EXTENSIVE.

UM, 'CAUSE THAT BACKS UP TO, WE HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN OUR CREEK AREA RIGHT THERE AT TELECOM.

UM, AND HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T BE COMING THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE HAVE KIDS AND ALWAYS WALKING IN THAT AREA AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE GREEN SPACE.

FUJITSU HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL

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AND WE KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOUR PLAN, THAT GREEN SPACE IS GONNA GO AWAY.

YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE A RESTRICTION TO MAINTAIN THAT GREEN SPACE TO HELP THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE WAREHOUSE COMING IN, IS THAT GONNA AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, IT JUST, JUST SEEMED LIKE IT'S JUST GONNA DESTROY THE LOOK OF THE AREA.

AND RICHARDSON HAD AL ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN FOR THE GREEN SPACE, THE PLANTING OF TREES, AND NOW WE ARE GIVING THAT AREA A WHOLE DIFFERENT LOOK.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS A RESIDENT THERE, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT, UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU'RE GOOD CORPORATE SPONSORS, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GUARANTEE SOME OF THAT GREEN SPACE WHEN WE STOP AT THAT STOP SIGN AT TELECOM AND BRECKENRIDGE? IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND IT ALL BLENDS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN TOWN, NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS BIG WAREHOUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THERE AND PROBABLY, UM, NOT HELPING OUT PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL WITH THE NOISE AND ALL THAT, THAT THAT'S GONNA, UH, BRING INTO.

SO WE WOULD DENY THAT.

ONE LAST TIME.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL THEN THE APPLICANT, UH, ASK YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND MAYBE YOU WANNA RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.

IS WHERE WE WANT RECEIVING.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS AND, AND WE APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND, AND, UM, AND UH, PART OF WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IS WHAT WE'VE REITERATED BEFORE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO BE GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENS AND HAVE TRIED TO MITIGATE EVERYTHING BY HOW WE'VE DESIGNED THIS BUILDING.

THE, UM, GREEN THAT WE'RE PUTTING AROUND THE TRUCK COURT TO SCREEN IT AND TO CUT DOWN ON ANY NOISE AS WELL IN TERMS OF ALSO REQUIRING ALL TENANTS TO TRY TO, TO AVOID ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

UM, SO YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE SITTING, OUR BUILDING, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL.

WE ARE NOT SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.

RESIDENTIAL IS FURTHER AWAY FROM US.

NOW, YES, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST, BUT THERE'S ANO THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTHEAST.

THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING TO THE EAST, THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING ALMOST TO THE SOUTH.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

WE ARE SEPARATED FROM THEM A LITTLE BIT.

SO WE ARE WORKING TO DO THAT.

UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHICH I, WE ARE ZONED TO ALLOW IT TO BE BUILT TO BUILD THE BUILDING.

THE, OUR ONLY RE REQUEST IS FOR THE 50 FOOT CLEAR, BUT WE ALREADY, THE, THE ZONING IS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR US TO BUILD AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.

UH, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE, UM, IN TERMS OF, THERE WAS A COMMENT REGARDING DEMOLITION.

WE PLAN TO FOLLOW ALL THE CODES AND REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MITIGATE ANY DUST AND THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T DISTURB ANYBODY.

UM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BRING IN HIGH TECH JOBS HERE, BUT THE HIGH TECH JOBS AREN'T IN THE OFFICE ANYMORE.

THEY'RE IN LAB SPACE, THEY'RE IN LIGHT ASSEMBLY, WHICH IS WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

NOW, FUJITSU ONLY OCCUPIES 10% OF THAT BUILDING OF THAT CAMPUS.

THEY'RE, THEY HAVE VACATED THE BALANCE OF THAT PROPERTY AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND THEY HAVE, AND THE REASON THEY SOLD IT TO US IS THEIR LONG-TERM PLAN WAS TO LEAVE THE CAMPUS A HUNDRED PERCENT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING TO YOU GUYS NOW.

UM, FOR, FOR THAT REASON, OUR BUILDING IS NOTHING LIKE A TRUCK TERMINAL.

WE OWN TRUCK TERMINALS.

THEY'RE TYPICALLY TWO SIDED WITH TRUCKS ON BOTH SIDES.

THE TRUCKS COME IN AND THEY UNLOAD, RELOAD, AND GO OUT.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED HERE AND NOT WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING HERE.

WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING HERE IS THERE WILL BE SOME STORAGE, BUT IT'LL COME IN, IT'LL STORE FOR A WHILE AND THEN IT'LL GO BACK OUT.

THE REASON FOR THE NUMBER OF DOCK DOORS IS FLEXIBILITY AND LEASING.

UM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THIS, A TENANT WILL BE ABLE THEN TO DECIDE, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT SHIPPING, THIS

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UM, IT'S MORE OF A FLEXIBILITY THING THAN, UM, ANYTHING ELSE BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT SEE IT WHERE EVERY TRUCK DOCK IS FILLED ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S MORE FROM A FLEXIBILITY STANDPOINT.

DID I MISS ANYTHING OR, UH, DID I HIT 'EM ALL? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? UH, YEAH, THE, THE, OKAY, THE 74 BAYS, UH, THAT WAS, UH, MENTIONED, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES.

74 IS THE NUMBER THAT THE BUILDING CAN MAX OUT AT.

UM, NOT NECESSARILY, OH, YOU JUST TALK TO US, NOT TO THEM, NO.

THAT THERE'S THE COMMENTS, BUT WE'RE THE ONES LISTENING AND MAKING THE DECISION, SO.

NO, I, I APOLOGIZE.

WE WE'RE INTERESTED IN HEARING THEIR COMMENTS AND YOUR RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS.

'CAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DEBATE IT AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, SO.

UM, THE 74 BAYS IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DOORS THAT THE BUILDING CAN ACCOMMODATE.

UH, WHEN WE GO IN, WE MAY ONLY PUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, IN, IN THIS CASE, LET'S, OKAY.

NO, WE, IN FAIRNESS, WE, WE PUT 'EM ALL IN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOT ALL OF 'EM ARE ALWAYS USED.

UM, SO IT'S NOT WHERE WE DON'T PUT 'EM IN.

UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF SOMETHING WE'VE DONE AROUND THE COUNTRY AND IT HELPS US DRAW TENANTS INTO THE FACILITY, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I, I WANNA REITERATE WAS WHAT MS. PETER SAID IS THAT BASED UPON OUR TRAFFIC STUDY TRIP, GENERATION'S ACTUALLY GONNA GO DOWN WHEN WE TAKE DOWN THE OFFICE BUILDING AND PUT UP THE WAREHOUSE.

IS THAT, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THEM? COMMISSIONER SHACK? UH, YEAH.

YOU GUYS MENTIONED, UM, BASED ON SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC BEING WILLING TO PUT IN THE LEASE WHERE TRUCK TRAFFIC PATTERNS SHOULD GO.

WOULD YOU ALSO BE WILLING TO PUT IN A LEASE HOURS OF OPERATION SO THAT TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT? SOME OF THOSE REVERSE SOUNDS, TRUCK NOISE MIGHT BE LIMITED TO WHAT WOULD, WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE TIMES MORE APPROPRIATE TIMES? THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO AT THIS POINT 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE TENANTS WILL BE.

COMMISSIONER QUIRK, I, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'D PROBABLY MOST INTERESTED LIKE ANYBODY WOULD TO HAVE ONE COMPANY LEASE ALL THAT SPACE, BUT ARE YOU SET UP TO, UH, PARTITION THAT OFF IF YOU HAD TO, UH, LEASE IT TO SEPARATE COMPANIES? CORRECT.

THERE, WE BUILT IT OR WE'VE DESIGNED IT FOR FLEXIBILITY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OFFICES ON THE EAST, OFFICES ON THE WEST, STOREFRONT IN THE MIDDLE, STOREFRONT IN THE MIDDLE CAN THEN ALSO BE DIVIDED IN TWO SO THAT YOU CAN END UP WITH FOUR TENANTS IF WE NEEDED TO, BUT IDEALLY IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE ONE.

W WE HAD ANOTHER CASE SIMILAR TO THIS, IS THAT CHAIRMAN SAID, UH, IS THERE A CAPABILITY INSIDE THERE TO HAVE MEZZANINE LEVEL OFFICES? THERE IS THAT CAPABILITY.

WE AS DEVELOPERS PREFER NOT TO DO IT.

UM, BUT THE CLEAR HEIGHT WOULD ALLOW FOR IT.

IS THAT COMMISSIONER ROBERTS OR, YES.

, I'LL WA IT.

UM, ON YOUR, UH, TRAFFIC MEMO WHERE YOU'RE CITING A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT REDUCTION IS REFLECTIVE OF AUTOMOBILES TODAY, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE REDUCTION IS GOING TO BE TRUCKS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OUR, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR US, SO , SO, BUT UM, BUT YES, OVERALL THE TRIP GENERATION GOES DOWN.

UM, THERE WOULD BE LESS AUTOMOBILES FOR SURE, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE CONVERTING FROM WAREHOUSE OR OFFICE TO WAREHOUSE, YES, THERE WILL BE A FEW MORE TRUCKS.

IS WHAT IS YOUR TRAFFIC MEMO AND THE REDUCTIONS BASED ON, IT'S BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE USE OF THE BUILDING.

SO LET'S DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT ON THE TRAFFIC MEMO.

ASSUMING NOT ALL THE BAYS ARE OCCUPIED, ASSUMING YOU HAVE TRUCKS GOING AND COMING AND GOING, WHAT'S YOUR TURNOVER EXPECTATION? I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, YOU, IT'S SPECULATIVE ON THE , BUT THIS TRAFFIC MEMO NEEDS TO BE BASED ON SOMETHING, RIGHT? HELLO? SO MY QUESTION IS,

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SO YOU GET INTO THE ISSUES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE IN THIS LOCATION ISN'T A HIGH TURNOVER TRUCK TRAFFIC.

WE'RE EXPECTING SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA COME IN UNLOAD.

YOU'LL PROBABLY NEVER SEE 74 TRUCKS THERE.

AND I MEAN, YOU MIGHT SEE ONE A DAY, YOU MIGHT SEE TWO A DAY, BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE TENANT.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE, THIS ISN'T A A DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE.

IT'S GONNA BE, UM, TURNING TRUCKS OVER EVERY 30 MINUTES AND RELOADING, RE RE RESTOCKING.

THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.

SO HAVING SAID THAT THOUGH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S PROHIBITING YOU FROM HAVING 74 TRUCKS TURNING OVER AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN FILL 'EM AND EMPTY 'EM.

CORRECT? I MEAN, CONCEIVABLY, I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION IS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

CONCEIVABLY YOU COULD HAVE 74 TRUCKS COMING IN AND HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES TO UNLOAD OR LOAD A SEMI EVERY FOUR HOURS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND CURRENTLY THERE'S NO REAL WAY TO, TO DICTATE THAT.

IT'S THE END USER WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT ENDS UP BEING, THE INTENT IS TO GET SOMEBODY THAT THAT WANTS IN THESE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS LIKE THIS, THEY'RE NOT THE HEAVY USERS.

THE HEAVY USERS WANT DOUBLE-SIDED DOCK DOORS.

THEY WANT BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING AND THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO GO IN ON ONE SIDE, GO OUT THE OTHER.

UM, THAT'S NOT KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED HERE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I'M GONNA, I'M PROBABLY GONNA MAKE A, A REQUEST TO MODIFY THIS PARKING AREA, THIS OVERFLOW PARKING AREA.

SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE OFFER TO DROP THE, UH, REQUEST OVERALL, BUT, UM, TO REDUCE THE PARKING, BUT YOU'RE STILL SHORT.

SO, UM, IF YOU HAD TO SAY WHERE YOU MIGHT NEED EXTRA PARKING, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? UH, WOULD IT BE ON THE EAST SIDE? WOULD IT BE ON THE WEST SIDE? WOULD IT BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE? DO YOU KNOW YET? I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THERE'S AN AREA THERE THAT YOU'RE, IN TERMS OF CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDING, THIS ONE, I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR LOTS OF FLEXIBILITY, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE ALSO GOT LOTS OF PARKING ON THE REST OF THE CAMPUS, SO YOU HAD TO PART OF IT FORCE PEOPLE TO WALK ACROSS THE, THE CAMPUS TO THE BUILDING.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND, RIGHT? I MEAN, PART OF THIS I THINK IS WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND REALLY LOOK AT IT AS A TEAM, BUT TO NOTE THAT ALL THIS NEVER IS PROPOSED TO CHANGE.

NEITHER IS THIS OVER HERE.

UH, NEITHER IS ALL THIS AND ALL THIS, ALL THIS.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, PER THIS PLAN, 22% LANDSCAPE COVERAGE.

22%, 25, 20 5% CODE ONLY REQUIRES 10.

SO WE'RE FAR IN EXCESSIVE CODE.

EVEN IF THEN WE GO AHEAD AND WE DO END UP HAVING TO PAY THIS, WE'RE STILL GONNA EXCEED THE CODE REQUIREMENT.

SO IN NO EVENT ARE WE GO ASKING TO GO BELOW THE CODE.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M WORKING ON TRYING TO FIND OUT A SORT OF A MIDDLE GROUND HERE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S IMPORTANT.

LEGACY GREEN SPACE ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.

UH, YOU'VE GOT THAT INTERSECTION OF, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE MOST VISIBLE THAT PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN ACCUSTOMED TO, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING AWAY ON THE EAST SIDE AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO, AND IF YOU WERE TO GET A REDUCTION IN THE PARKING RATIO, WHERE WOULD THAT, YOU SAY YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE IT UP COMPLETELY, BUT YOU'RE STILL SHORT, SO I THINK YOU NEED SOME RELIEF.

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE IT ON THE WAREHOUSE? A RATIO OR THE MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY RATIO? I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE.

I THOUGHT WE WERE EVEN ON THE CURRENT CODE THAT YOU HAD ENOUGH.

WELL, AND AND I, I AND YOU GUYS WANNA THINK ABOUT IT.

WELL, AND I JUST WANNA SIT HERE AND AND SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK.

WE, WE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AS A CAMPUS WIDE NUMBER.

UM, THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE WANT PEOPLE COULD PARK IN THIS, THIS ADJACENT PARKING LOT, THEY COULD PARK IN THIS ADJACENT LOT AND STILL BE COMING TO THIS.

THE INTENT FOR WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SHOW, UM, IS THIS PARKING'S NOT BEING USED CURRENTLY.

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IT'S EMPTY.

WE DON'T WANT TO PAVE, WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT THE EXTRA COST.

WE WANT TO KEEP THE GREEN SPACE, UM, AS MUCH AS, AS Y'ALL DO.

UM, SO I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS MORE, UM, ABOUT WHAT THE RATIOS ARE.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE AGREE AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE DO OUR TREE SURVEY, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME EXPENSIVE TREES IN HERE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR IF WE'RE GONNA LOSE 'EM.

ODDS ARE, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND KEEP AS MUCH OF 'EM WE CAN.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE PARKING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT WOULD BE THE LAST, LAST RESORT PARKING.

UM, BEFORE WE HAVE TO PAY MITIGATION, WE ALREADY MAY HAVE TO PAY MITIGATION FOR TREES THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING.

UM, WE DON'T WANNA PAY FOR TREES THAT WE'RE JUST TEARING DOWN.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A NECESSARY EVIL THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP AS MANY OF THESE ONSITE TREES AS WE CAN TO LIMIT OUR, OUR COSTS AND OUR ASSOCIATION IN DOING THIS.

UM, SO, ALRIGHT.

I, I THINK IF YOU LOOK, OUR SITE PROBABLY HAS MORE LANDSCAPING THAN MOST OF THE OTHER ONES ALREADY IN THIS PARK.

AND WE'RE FAR EXCEED OR MORE THAN DOUBLING AT THIS POINT, WHAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE? YEAH, I, AGAIN, I, UH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE FUTURE PARKING AREA IS AND WHAT POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT COULD BE.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

CAN YOU TELL ME, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD OUT ALL OF THOSE FUTURE PARKING AREAS, WHAT THEN YOUR OPEN SPACE BECOMES? I I THINK WE HAVE THAT NUMBER, BUT WE DID THAT CALCULATION AND STILL EXCEEDS THE 10%.

WELL IT'S, YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER.

I WANNA SAY IT WAS CLOSER TO 15%, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT OFF.

WE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE CHECKED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA SHOW FUTURE PARKING THAT COULD NEVER BE APPROVED.

YEP.

CHAIRMAN MARSH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER QUIRK.

I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE WITH THOSE WHITE PARKING AREAS UP THERE AND THEN THE PARKING THAT'S AROUND THAT NEW BUILDING, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING THERE.

I THINK IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE IN THERE.

UH, THAT'S A HUGE AREA THERE.

I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE RATIO NUMBERS WE GOT IN OUR COAT.

UH, WE'RE EATING UP THAT A LOT OF THAT COULD PROBABLY BE GREEN SPACE AND, UH, AND, AND I WORKED AT BIG DEFENSE CONTRACTORS AND THAT, THAT WALK THERE, EVEN IF I HAD TO COME ALL THE WAY UP FROM BRECKENRIDGE DOWN TO THAT OTHER BUILDING IS JUST, THAT'S A SHORT DISTANCE.

SO I THINK THE PARKING'S FINE.

I I APPLAUD THE, UH, I APPLAUD THE EFFORT TO KEEP THE GREEN SPACE AND THEN, THEN COME BACK AND BUILD IT OUT IF THEY HAVE TO.

I A LOT RATHER SEE THAT THAN PAVE EVERYTHING AND SAY, OOPS, WE DIDN'T NEED IT.

COMMISSIONER SEK.

YEP.

I TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CLERK AND I ALSO THINK IF THAT ARIEL PHOTO WAS TAKEN SOMEWHAT RECENTLY, HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES US A GOOD INDICATION TO HIS POINT.

AND I THINK TO THE DEVELOPER'S POINT THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE AMPLE PARKING THERE AND, UM, APPRECIATE AGAIN, THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE GREEN SPACE.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA ATTEMPT TO BUILD A BUILDING THAT IS LEASEABLE AND, AND WOULD WORK WITH AMENITIES AND PARKING NEEDED AS WELL.

SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IT THE WAY YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IT WITH THE REDUCTION COMMISSIONER ROBERTS.

SO, UM, BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT ABOUT PARKING, BUT I WAS NOT GONNA MAKE A .

NO, I, THIS IS MORE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING IN A LONG TIME, SO, SO, AND I WILL MAKE ONE COMMENT.

I'M IMPLYING TO, UH, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER QUIRK AND, UH, UH, CHRISTIAN HERE, COMMISSIONER CHRISTIAN CAN'T PRONOUNCE.

UM, I THINK THERE'S AMPLE PARKING, BUT MY COMMENT WAS GONNA BE DIRECTED MORE TOWARD, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE RESIDENTS.

UM, IF YOU GO TO ONE OF THE OTHER SLIDES, I THINK YOU WERE, UH, MENTIONING TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE, UH, I GUESS EAST THAT THERE ARE OTHER INDUSTRIAL AREAS THERE ALREADY OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THE AREA, THERE'S A SEPARATION, UH, RIGHT THERE THAT, THAT PROBABLY SHOWS THAT.

SO TO THE, I GUESS THAT'S A DIRECT EAST AND THEN THE SOUTHEAST RIGHT IN THERE.

THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL, UH, RIGHT ALONG THE STREET THERE.

IT'S ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT NOISE AND THAT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL SPACE THERE, AND ALSO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MITIGATED.

SO I THINK THAT, UM, WHILE, YOU KNOW, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO

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I, YOU KNOW, I'M INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT A DISTRIBUTION, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID IN ONE SIDE OUT THE OTHER, IT'S NOT BEING DESIGNED THAT WAY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE IN OPPOSITION, I, UM, I'M ALSO INCLINED TO THINK THAT IT'S A PROPER USE OF THE SPACE.

SO THAT'S KINDA WHERE I COME OUT.

AND IF I MAY JUST CHIME IN, JUST AS A REMINDER, THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE IS FOR THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING.

SO TECHNICALLY IF THEY WERE BUILDING 25 FEET, THEY COULD REALISTICALLY HAVE 74 TRUCK BAYS HOURS OF OPERATION WE WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

SO REALLY THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HEARING ANY OF THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE USE CASE AND HOW MUCH SPACE OF THE BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH I VERY MUCH CONCUR SYMPATHETIC TO CERTAINLY THE HOMEOWNERS AND, AND THE NOISE AND ALL OF THAT AS WELL.

BUT THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THE GREEN SPACE, SOME OF THAT STUFF DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S ENTIRELY IN OUR PURVIEW ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS DUE HEIGHT.

IT, I KNOW COMMISSIONER POINTER, SO I HATE TO SAY THE WORD PARKING, BUT JUST , WOULD THE IDEA BE THAT YOU WOULD LEASE THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS POTENTIALLY, AND THEY EACH CAME WITH THEIR OWN PARKING TO THREE DIFFERENT TENANTS? IS THAT A, BECAUSE WE'VE USED CAMPUS AND THEN WE'VE USED ONE TENANT, AND IT IS THAT WHERE THE PARKING COMES IN, THAT EACH OF THOSE FRONT BUILDINGS COME WITH THEIR OWN PARKING LOT AND THE PARKING, YOUR BUILDING IS FOR THIS THIRD BUILDING.

SO THIS, SO THE BASIC, THE WAY WE HAVE THIS NEW BUILDING DESIGNED, AND OUR INTENT IS PRIMARILY TO TRY TO LEASE IT TO ONE TENANT, BUT IF WE SUBDIVIDED IT ALL THAT TENANT, ALL THAT PARKING WOULD BE SHARED PARKING.

AND THEN THE BUILDINGS BEHIND IT, YOU, THAT PARKING GOES WITH THOSE, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING, THE TWO BUILDINGS BEHIND.

THEY, THEY USE THAT CURRENTLY, THEY CURRENTLY USE THE EXISTING PARKING.

AND THAT GOES WITH, WOULD THAT GO WITH THEIR LEASE, A FUTURE LEASE OR THEIR LEASE? THEIR LEASE DOES HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF STALLS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE HAVE, WHICH WE FAR EXCEED THAT IN THE MONO PARKING.

SO THERE, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THE PARKING THAT THEY HAVE.

I'M SORRY, I'M HOPING I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

YOU ARE.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF DO, DO, DO, DOES THE PARKING ADJACENT TO THE TWO CURRENT BUILDINGS, IS THAT PART OF THE, EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS LEASE TO A SPECIFIC TENANT OR IS IT SHARED PARKING FOR EVERYBODY? IT'S PARKED, SHARE IT.

THERE'S NO RESERVED PARKING ON THE ENTIRE CAMPUS.

MAYBE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.

DESCRIBE DOES A TENANT BELIEVE THAT, WOULD A TENANT BELIEVE THAT THEY OWNED A PARTICULAR PARKING LOT OR, OR HAD ACCESS? NO, THEY ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBERS.

IT'S ONLY CELESTICA.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY, THE WHOLE CAMPUS HAS TWO TENANTS, THREE TENANTS, SORRY, THREE TENANTS, FUJITSU CELESTICA, AND A NEW TENANT IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

AND NONE OF IT IS DESIGNATED AS RESERVED FOR ANYBODY.

WELL, JEAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, SINCE WE'VE BEAT UP THIS PARKING THING, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TIME WE TALK ABOUT HOW MANY BICYCLE SPACES THERE ARE.

GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, UH, I WAS WONDERING IF WE WERE PERHAPS, UH, READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? UH, WELL, WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER MOTION IN MIND? I DID.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

SECOND, RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESENTED.

I, UH, PROPOSE THAT FOR, UH, ZONING FILE 25 11, THAT WE, UM, VOTE TO APPROVE THE MOTION AS WRITTEN.

I DO WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BEACH.

UM, ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? VICE CHAIRMAN THOMPSON? YEAH.

UM, SO THIS WAS A TRICKY ONE FOR ME.

UM, I

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TEND TO BE A PRO NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF GUY, UM, HOA BOARD FOR 17 YEARS.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I SEE BARRIERS ALL AROUND THIS PARTICULAR PLAT WHERE THE ORANGE SPACE IS THAT ARE SHIELDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN THOUGH, UM, THERE WILL LIKELY BE RESIDUAL, UM, NOISE AND TRAFFIC.

IT'S JUST, YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM IT COMPLETELY.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AS I SEE IT, HAS NATURAL BARRIERS IN IT.

UM, UH, AND WE WERE REMINDED THAT REALLY THE ONLY REASON THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING THIS IS THE MARKET SHIFTING ON HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.

UM, OTHERWISE THIS, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE COME BEFORE US.

SO I, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE UP TELECOM CORRIDOR TODAY WITH THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER, UM, OR AT LEAST UNTIL, OR AT LEAST WHENEVER THIS WAS, WAS SORT OF BUILT OUT.

I GUESS THAT'S NOT, THOSE ARE NOT ALL NATURAL TREES THERE.

THEY WERE PLANTED 30, 40 YEARS AGO.

UH, AND IT'S PRESENTED A NICE PARKWAY.

THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE LANDOWNER HAS THE RIGHTS TO BUILD THIS BUILDING THERE, AND THE USAGE CASE IS ALREADY APPROVED.

UH, AND SO IT, IT STICKS ME WITH THIS, THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, UM, AS ZONED TODAY.

AND SO DO WE HANG UP ON THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS THE MARKET MOVING A LITTLE BIT AND HANG OUR HAT ON THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE TO RESTRICT THIS FROM ITS INTENDED OR ONE OF ITS INTENDED USAGE CASES? UH, AND, AND I'M JUST, I DON'T, I CAN'T GET THERE.

SO I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AS PRESENTED.

COMMISSIONER COURT.

YEAH, I I JUST WANT TO ASK IF WE COULD CONSIDER AMENDING THE, THE, UH, THE MOTION TO, UH, AS THEY OFFER TO INCORPORATE THAT TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN AS PART OF THE MOTION.

CAN WE DO THAT? UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT? IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN THAT WAY.

IT WAS NOT SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAY, UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, THAT WAS MISSED.

BUT, UM, IT IS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAY, THAT EXHIBIT D OKAY.

THE TRUCK CIRCULATION PLAN IS, UM, THAT'S A CONDITION.

I, I TOO AM IN, UH, OVERALL THE USE I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO GO TO 50 FEET.

UM, AND, UM, I DO THINK THERE IS SUFFICIENT BUFFER THAT, THAT THAT ENTIRE PARK OVER THERE IS REALLY AN INDUSTRIAL PARK AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION HAS BECOME THE PRIMARY USE THERE.

THIS SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S COMPATIBLE.

AGAIN, MY ONLY ASK IS TO TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE GREEN SPACE, UH, ALONG RESEARCH DRIVE AND TELECOM PARKWAY AS POSSIBLE, AND TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT YOU BUILD IN THOSE AREAS.

UM, AND PERHAPS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BEFORE YOU GO TO THE COUNCIL WHERE YOU CAN MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR RATIOS OR WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE FUTURE BUILD, YOU KNOW, UH, FUTURE PARKING WOULD BE.

UM, AND MAYBE TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THOSE TREES GREEN SPACE ALONG, UM, PARTICULARLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF RESEARCH AND, AND, UM, TELECOM.

BUT, UH, I THINK ALSO OVER ON THAT EAST SIDE TOO IS AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT PART.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS READY FOR A VOTE? ALL THOSE I GOT.

OH, YEAH.

ONE MORE COMMENT.

I'D KIND OF AGREE WITH, UH, WHAT, UH, VICE CHAIR THOMASON SAID, YOU KNOW, ABOUT BEING SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I CAN SEE MY HOUSE ON THAT, THAT AERIAL VIEW THERE.

SO, UH, I, I CAN'T APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE, THE NOISE AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON AROUND THERE.

BUT, BUT, BUT AS HE SAID BY RIGHT, THEY COULD BUILD THIS WAREHOUSE, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE AS TALL AS IT IS.

THE IS, THE MARKET IS MOVING NOW, SO I TEND TO SUPPORT IT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION RAISE RIGHT HAND PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK.