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CALL THIS MEETING 
          [ CALL TO ORDER]
OF THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH THE INDICATION AND PLEDGE BY MAYOR PRO TEM KEN HUTCHEN. 
          RIDER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN PRAYER, PLEASE. 
          HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COME TOGETHER AND DELIBERATE AND MAKE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS. 
          LORD, WE ASK FOR YOUR INTERVENTION TONIGHT TO WORK WITH OUR STATE, OUR STATE LEGISLATURE, TO OPEN THEIR MINDS AND THEIR EYES AS TO THE CHALLENGES AND EACH OF THEIR CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FACE, AND ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN OPENING THEIR EYES AND THEIR HEARTS AND THEIR MINDS TO CONSIDER OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAN THE ONES CURRENTLY PRESENTED. 
          WE ASK FOR YOUR HELP AS WE CONTINUED TO WORK DILIGENTLY WITHIN OUR OWN CITY. 
          IN CHRIST'S NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR PROAM. 
          HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          ALRIGHT, 
          [ 3. MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 11, 2025  AND AUGUST 18, 2025 MEETING]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 11TH, 2025 AND AUGUST 18TH, 2025. 
          MEETINGS. 
          MAYOR, PRO, TEMP, HUTCHIN RIDER, MAYOR. 
          I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES AS PUBLISHED. 
          ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO 
          [ 4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM. 
          MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL CARDS IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE, SO I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE PUBLICLY. 
          MS. PATRICIA GRIFFITH OF 4 4 1 VALLEY GLEN PROVIDED YOU WITH COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CITY HALL, UH, PUBLIC ART, UH, AND, UH, HER POSITION IS AGAINST, AND HER COMMENTS ARE IN WRITING. 
          UH, KATHLEEN AT 1226 DUMONT DRIVE, UH, PRESENTED, UH, COMMENTS REGARDING THE FY 26, UM, PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          UH, HER POSITION IS AGAINST, AND AGAIN, HER COMMENTS ARE PROVIDED IN WRITING. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UH, STEVE BENSON OF THREE 15 TRAIL WOOD DRIVE. 
          ALLEN, UH, ALSO PRESENTED, UH, YOU COMMENTS IN WRITING REGARDING, UM, THE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, ART AGENDA ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, UH, THAT OUR CITY SECRETARY CALLED, UH, HERE BRIEFLY. 
          AND WE DO HAVE ONE SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO LET ME, UH, JUST, UH, PROVIDE SOME INSTRUCTION, UH, TO SPEAKERS. 
          WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM FIVE MINUTES, AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. 
          WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. 
          SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF, AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. 
          SPEAKER SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER. 
          THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. 
          THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, A POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. 
          AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. 
          AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. 
          MS. NUMER, MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER TONIGHT. 
          STEVEN BUTLER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M DR. STEVEN BUTLER. 
          UH, I RESIDE AT 1114 PACIFIC DRIVE HERE IN RICHARDSON. 
          BEFORE I BEGIN, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE CITY FOR SUCCESSFULLY MOVING MS. BELL'S HOUSE TO HUFFHINES PARK. 
          TWO WEEKS AGO, I WATCHED THE ENTIRE OPERATION AND WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE HOW SMOOTHLY IT WENT. 
          CHANGING GEARS, I NOW WANT TO BRING YOU TO YOUR ATTENTION, AN UNHEALTHFUL AND UN AND ANNOYING SITUATION THAT'S BEEN, UH, BOTHERING ME FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. 
          NAMELY THE GOOSE P PROBLEM AT HUFFHINES PARK. 
          I FIRST BROUGHT THIS MATTER TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PARKS DIRECTOR BY EMAIL ON AUGUST 11TH, 2023. 
          A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO, I 
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DID RECEIVE A REPLY ACKNOWLEDGING RECEIPT OF MY EMAILS, BUT WAS TOLD THAT THE REMEDY I SUGGESTED MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST OPTION. 
          WELL, I HAPPEN TO THINK IT IS, WHICH IS WHY I AM HERE TONIGHT TO APPEAL TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY. 
          AS YOU ALMOST CERTAINLY KNOW, HUFFINES PARK HAS THREE SMALL LAKES OR PONDS, WHICH ATTRACT A WIDE VARIETY OF WATER BIRDS, INCLUDING A LARGE NUMBER OF CANADA GEESE WHO MAKE THEIR PRESENCE KNOWN, NOT JUST BY THE, UH, LARGE SIZE OF THEIR FLOCK, BUT ALSO BY THEIR EX EXCREMENT, WHICH THEY LEAVE ALL OVER THE PAVED GLENVILLE WALKING TRAIL THAT CIRCLES THE LAKES OR PONDS AT HUFFINES PARK. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THIS PAVED TRAIL TRAIL DAILY. 
          SOME LIKE ME SIMPLY WALK FOR EXERCISE. 
          OTHERS USE IT TO WALK THEIR DOGS OR PUSH THEIR INFANTS AND BABY CARRIAGES. 
          EARLIER THIS MONTH, WHILE WALKING THE TRAIL ON, UH, ONE SATURDAY, I STOPPED TO TAKE PHOTOS OF THE MOST VISIBLE SPOTS WHERE THERE WAS GOOSE POOP. 
          ALTOGETHER, I TOOK 127 PHOTOS. 
          I COULD HAVE TAKEN MORE, BUT I GOT TIRED. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE ON THE HANDOUTS THAT I PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE, OH, I ALREADY SAID THAT. 
          TRYING TO AVOID THE GOOSE FECES DOTTING THE PAVEMENT IS LIKE WALKING IN A MINEFIELD. 
          IN SOME SECTIONS, YOU MUST WATCH EVERY SINGLE STEP TO AVOID TREADING ON A BIG, SQUISHY GREEN GOOSE DROPPING. 
          THIS NOT ONLY DETRACTS FROM THE PUBLIC'S ENJOYMENT OF THE PARK, IT IS ALSO A HEALTH HAZARD. 
          CHILDREN UNFORTUNATELY DON'T TAKE AS MUCH CARE TO AVOID STEPPING ON THE DROPPINGS, WHICH CONTAIN ALL SORTS OF NASTY GERMS. AS A RESULT, KIDS ARE APT TO TRACK THIS EXCREMENT HOME ON THE BOTTOM OF THEIR SHOES WHERE IT CAN FOUL THE FLOORS OF THEIR HOMES. 
          SOME OUT OF CURIOSITY MIGHT EVEN TOUCH IT. 
          FORTUNATELY, THERE IS A SOLUTION, AND IT DOESN'T INVOLVE ROUNDING UP ALL THE GEESE AND SENDING THEM BACK TO CANADA. 
          IT DOES INVOLVE A LITTLE EXPENSE, BUT IN ORDER TO BETTER ASSURE PEOPLES, TO BETTER ASSURE PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT OF THE PARK AND ALSO REDUCE THE HEALTH HAZARD, I THINK IT'S WORTH IT. 
          WHEN I CONTACTED THE PARKS DIRECTOR TWO YEARS AGO, I POINTED OUT THAT LONDON'S ST. 
          JAMES' PARK NEAR BUCKINGHAM PALACE, WHICH I VISITED ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, IS SIMILAR TO HUFFINES PARK, IN THAT THERE IS A WATERCOURSE WITH A PAVED PEDESTRIAN WALK, UH, WALKWAY ON EITHER SIDE, EXCEPT THAT IN LONDON THERE IS ALSO A LOW WIRE FENCE ABOUT TWO FEET HIGH LINING THE PATH. 
          THIS FENCE PREVENTS THE LARGER BIRDS LIKE GEESE FROM CROSSING THE PATH, WHICH ALSO KEEPS THEM FROM FOULING THE PAVEMENT. 
          I DON'T DOUBT THAT SUCH A FENCE WOULD ALSO DO THE SAME. 
          HERE IN RICHARDSON, I AM, AND I IMPLORE YOU FOR ALL THE REASONS I'VE ALREADY GIVEN THAT YOU ARE WRECK SUCH OFFENSE. 
          IN HUFFINES PARK, THE COUNCIL CAN SEE A PHOTO OF THE TYPE OF BARRIER I PROPOSE ON ONE OF THE HANDOUTS I PROVIDED. 
          I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT SUCH OFFENSE WOULD HAVE THE ADDED BENEFIT OF PREVENTING SOCCER BALLS AND OTHER TYPES OF GAME BALLS FROM ROLLING OFF THE PLAYING FIELDS DOWN THE SLOPE AND INTO THE PONDS WHERE THEY BECOME DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE TO RETRIEVE. 
          I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE YEARS, SO NOW THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION, AND HOPEFULLY ALSO FOR TAKING ACTION ON THIS MATTER AS SOON AS PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE. 
          THOUGH THE WORDS GOOSE POO MIGHT SOUND FUNNY, I ASSURE YOU THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, DR. BUTLER. 
          I'VE ALSO PROVIDED A, UH, A LIST OF OTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS AND HIGHLIGHTED THE ONE THAT, UH, THAT I, UH, RECOMMEND. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, MS. ER. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO OTHER CARDS. 
          MAYOR, UH, ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE? ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL MOVE ON 
          [5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH ]
TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH. 
          MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          MAYOR, COUNCIL, IT IS OUR PLEASURE EACH YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME TO WELCOME OUR DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ALICIA GIMBAL AND OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, SCOTT GREESON, UH, TO JOIN US TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROFESSION AND, UM, REALLY CELEBRATE, UH, PROBABLY, UH, WHAT'S THE ONE OF THE MOST ACCOMPLISHED AND, UH, EXPERIENCED, UH, TEAMS IN ALL OF TEXAS NEVER BEFORE, UH, THAN THAN THE EVENTS OF JUST A FEW MONTHS 
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AGO. 
          UM, ILLUSTRATE THE IMPORTANCE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE A TEAM THAT NOT ONLY PLANS, BUT TEST THOSE PLANS, REFINE THOSE PLANS, AND COPY AND, AND, AND REPEATS THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          THAT'S WHY, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND AND, UH, SO EFFECTIVELY, UH, TO THINGS LIKE, UH, THE MAY 28TH STORM OF JUST A, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO, ALICIA, I'M GONNA INVITE YOU TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, I KNOW SCOTT'S GONNA COVER A FEW SLIDES AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, UH, THANK YOU BOTH FOR, UH, THE WORK TO, UH, PREPARE TONIGHT'S BRIEFING. 
          I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR HAVING THIS ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. 
          UM, NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEART, BUT PREPAREDNESS ALL YEAR ROUND IS A REALLY IMPORTANT EFFORT. 
          SO IT JUST GIVES US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT IT, UH, AND DRAW IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          UH, AND YOU GUYS AS AMBASSADORS CAN HELP US REALLY PROMOTE THIS EFFORT, UM, TO BE MORE PREPARED. 
          SO, UM, THE FIRST THING IS THE COUNCIL GOALS, UM, THAT THIS ALSO SUPPORTS. 
          WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR SUPPORT AS A COUNCIL, UM, BUT ALSO OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THIS EFFORT TO BE PREPARED ALL YEAR LONG. 
          AS DON ALLUDED TO, WITH PLANNING, TRAINING AND EXERCISE AND CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, WE CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND CONTINUE TO HONE OUR RESPONSE CAPABILITY AND IMPROVE THOSE THINGS. 
          SO PREPAREDNESS IS A YEAR ROUND EFFORT ALL THE WAY. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THE GRAPHICS THAT ARE CREATED FOR THIS MONTH THAT'LL BE SHARED. 
          UM, THIS IS IN OUR, UH, RICHARDSON TODAY FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME SOCIAL MEDIA GRAPHICS THAT I'VE GOT IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE THAT OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT GIVES IT A LOCAL FLAVOR WITH OUR LOCAL HAZARDS, UM, AT THE TOP OF THESE GRAPHICS. 
          AND THEN OUR RICHARDSON WAY TO GET MORE PREPARED, OUR RICHARDSON WAY TO SIGN UP FOR ALERTS IN THE BE INFORMED GRAPHIC. 
          UM, MAKE A PLAN WITH YOUR FAMILY, BUILD A KIT OF SUPPLIES AND TO GET INVOLVED WITH VOLUNTEERING OR OTHER SUPPORT EFFORTS THAT YOU CAN DO IN YOUR WORKPLACE OR IN YOUR HOME, UH, LIFE, THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO TO BE MORE PREPARED. 
          SO THEY DO GIVE IT A LOCAL FLAVOR. 
          UM, AND IT'S BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OUR NATIONAL LEVEL PREPAREDNESS, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA KIT LIKE WE'VE HAD IN YEARS PAST. 
          SO THIS, UM, IS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING THAT IS GREAT FOR US, UM, BUT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THIS YEAR AS WELL. 
          UM, SO ONE THING THAT I TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THAT WAS JUST AN IDEA, UM, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE IS OUR PREPAREDNESS PASSPORT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE DEVELOPED AND LAUNCHED AFTER, UM, LAST YEAR'S NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IN SEPTEMBER. 
          AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE, UM, DISTRIBUTED FROM OUR RICHARDSON LIBRARY LOCATION, MORE THAN 3000 PASSPORTS PREPAREDNESS PASSPORTS. 
          IT REALLY ENCOURAGES THE HOUSEHOLD TO BECOME MORE PREPARED FROM A YOUTH PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO THEY GO THROUGH, UM, THE PHASES, UM, AND ONCE THEY COMPLETE ALL THE CHALLENGES, THEY CAN GET A CHALLENGE COIN. 
          UM, SO THEY PICK THEM UP FROM THE LIBRARY, THEY CAN RETURN THEM TO OUR OFFICES OR TO OUR FIRE ADMIN HEADQUARTERS, UM, DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH HOUSEHOLD TO BECOME MORE PREPARED AND COMPLETE THOSE CHALLENGES, UM, TO PREPARE FOR ALL HAZARDS, INCLUDING FIRE, UM, AND, AND OUR NATURAL HAZARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA. 
          SO, 3000 PASSPORTS SINCE THE LAST TIME I CAME AND TALKED TO YOU, UM, IS A REALLY INCREDIBLE NUMBER FOR THE YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT FOR ALL THOSE HOUSEHOLDS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          UM, PROMOTING PREPAREDNESS, RIGHT? BUILD A KIT IS A HUGE PART OF THAT. 
          UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU AND I PACK IF WE'RE GOING ON A CAMPING TRIP OR EVEN JUST A BUSINESS TRIP TO ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO NEED TO EVACUATE QUICKLY BECAUSE OF A GAS LEAK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A HAZARD THAT WAS MORE IMMINENT, UH, WE NEEDED TO EVACUATE, WHAT WOULD THOSE SUPPLIES LOOK LIKE OR WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE IF YOU WERE TO SHELTER IN PLACE THROUGH A STORM? THINGS THAT YOU COULD GATHER TODAY AND PUT IN ONE PLACE. 
          SO THE PHOTO ON THIS SLIDE IS FROM OUR SUMMER SAFETY CAMP. 
          UM, AND THEY HAVE A PILLOWCASE PROJECT. 
          THEY GET TO DECORATE THAT PILLOWCASE, AND IT HAS A LIST OF SUPPLIES. 
          UM, SO WE DO EIGHT SESSIONS THROUGH ALL THE SUMMER SAFETY CAMP, UM, PROFILES AS WELL. 
          AND THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE THAT HOME AND FILL IT WITH THOSE SUPPLIES. 
          SO, SO THAT'S BEEN A REALLY GREAT EFFORT. 
          A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THE NUMBERS FOR THIS YEAR. 
          UM, SO IN ADDITION TO THE 3000 PASSPORTS, WE'VE ALSO HANDED OUT 2,700, UM, BAGS OF PREPAREDNESS MATERIALS. 
          SO REALLY ENCOURAGING THOSE HOUSEHOLDS TO TAKE ACTION AND, AND BUILD THE KIT OF SUPPLIES. 
          TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA RESPOND AS A FAMILY AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN A NICE, CALM ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO WHAT DO WE DO AS FAR AS ALERTS OR, UM, MAKING SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF THE HAZARDS THAT COME THROUGH OUR AREA, RIGHT? WE LIVE IN TEXAS, SO WE KNOW THE WEATHER IS A BIG PART OF THAT. 
          UM, 115 WEATHER EMAILS 
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IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS, 509 ALERTS TO ALMOST, UH, A HUNDRED, WELL, MORE THAN 190,000 CONTACTS THAT ARE REGISTERED IN OUR SYSTEM AND ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE ALERTS. 
          THINGS LIKE MISSING PERSONS OR, UM, WHENEVER WE HAVE A POWER OUTAGE, UM, IF YOU'VE REGISTERED, WE CAN CHECK DO WELLNESS CHECKS THROUGH THOSE SAME SYSTEMS. SO SIREN ACTIVATIONS, WE'VE HAD TWO IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, UM, JUST TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO TAKE SHELTER UNTIL THE STORM HAD PASSED. 
          AND THEN FOR SKY WORN ACTIVATIONS, IF WE HAVE MORE SERIOUS STORMS THAT ARE PASSING THROUGH, WE ACTIVATE OUR RACIES VOLUNTEERS AND THEY PROVIDE GREAT GROUND TRUTH MORE THAN I CAN SEE ON RADAR. 
          THEY COULD TELL ME THE HAIL SIZE AT THEIR HOME, THE WIND THAT THEY CATCH ON THEIR OWN RADAR, UH, THEIR OWN GAUGE, UM, OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THINGS LIKE DAMAGE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THEY'RE A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO. 
          SO VOLUNTEERS REALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN WITH EVERYTHING FROM PACKING THOSE, UH, 1200, OR, I'M SORRY, 2,700 BAGS THAT WE'VE PASSED OUT THIS YEAR, ASSEMBLING THOSE PASSPORTS, THOSE 3000 PASSPORTS. 
          AND THEN ALSO WORKING WITH US FOR THOSE SKY WORN ACTIVATIONS. 
          SO IT REALLY DOES TAKE A VILLAGE TO DO THESE THINGS. 
          UM, FOR OUR INCIDENT TASK FORCE RESPONSE, THAT'S PART OF OUR STATE DEPLOYMENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATES, I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO SCOTT GREESON SO HE CAN GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. 
          AWESOME AUDIO, EVERYBODY. 
          SO I'VE GOT THE, UH, DELIGHT TO TALK ABOUT OUR INCIDENT SUPPORT TASK FORCE. 
          SO WE DO THIS, UH, ALMOST EVERY YEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY WE TAKE A BAD SITUATION AND WE BRING BACK SOME, UH, UH, SOME GOOD LESSONS LEARNED. 
          UH, IT ALLOWS OUR STAFF TO BUILD THEIR ABILITIES, KIND OF HONE THEIR SKILLS, WHICH IS CRITICAL, WHILE ALSO HELPING OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, THIS YEAR WE HAD TWO WHERE RYAN WENT DOWN AND PROVIDED, UH, INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE SUPPORT DOWN BY THE RIO GRANDE. 
          AND THEN ON THE SECOND ONE, UH, WAS THE KERR COUNTY INCIDENT, UM, WHERE HE WAS DOING INCIDENT ACTION PLANS. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST SO INCREDIBLE. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT, UH, ALLOWING STAFF TO GO DOWN THERE AND DO IT. 
          'CAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL FOR US. 
          UH, TALKING ABOUT THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT KIND OF TALK FIRST ABOUT SOME OF THE FEMA, UM, ACTIONS THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK, A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T HAD, UH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, ANY MASSIVE CHANGES. 
          UH, WILL THERE BE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE? WELL, THE WAY THEY'RE TALKING, YES. 
          UM, HOW FAR OUT COULD IT BE? UM, COULD BE A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO, TWO YEARS. 
          UH, COULD IT BE SOONER? OF COURSE. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JUST UNPREDICTABLE AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT. 
          UM, TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, SOMETHING CLOSER TO HOME. 
          WE'VE GOT, WE'RE IN THE SECOND SPECIAL SESSION, UH, FOR THE YEAR, AND BILLS THAT WE ARE KEEPING OUR EYE ON. 
          UM, THERE'S SEVERAL BILLS IN PLACE THAT KINDA SPURRED THROUGH WITH THE KIRK COUNTY INCIDENT. 
          UM, SOME ARE REALLY APPLICABLE TO US HERE AT HOME. 
          UM, SOME NOT SO MUCH. 
          SO IN, UH, HOUSE BILL TWO AND SENATE BILL TWO, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LICENSING CREDENTIALING FOR EMERGENCY MANAGERS. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WATCHING THAT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          UM, THIS WAS A BILL THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT PRIOR TO THE KIRK COUNTY INCIDENT AND WITH KIRK COUNTY, IT KIND OF BROUGHT IT TO THE FOREFRONT. 
          UM, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGH, UH, THE PROPOSALS, UM, WE FAR MEET AND EXCEED THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THAT IS NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH US. 
          UH, LINES OF SUCCESSION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGER, DIRECTOR FOR OUR MAYOR. 
          AS YOU KNOW, UH, ALICIA'S DONE A GREAT JOB. 
          THE TEAM'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF HAVING CONTINUITY PLANS IN PLACE. 
          WE'VE HAD THOSE IN PLACE FOR, UH, AT LEAST 13 YEARS. 
          THAT DESCRIBES, UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN SHOULD THE MAYOR NOT BE AVAILABLE DURING THE DISASTER. 
          WE TRAIN AND EXERCISE ON THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, NOT ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, REALLY GONNA TAKE US BY A SURPRISE. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE WITH THE DISASTER VOLUNTEERS. 
          THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW. 
          IN HERE IN RICHARDSON, WE WORK WITH BOTH THE COLLIN COUNTY, BO ED AND THE DALLAS COUNTY BO ED. 
          UH, THE STATE'S TAKEN THIS UP ANOTHER NOTCH, AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS, UH, VOLUNTEERS, SPECIFICALLY SPONTANEOUS VOLUNTEERS REGISTERED THROUGH THE STATE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA CREATE A DATABASE, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA DO CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. 
          UM, MOST OF OUR VOLUNTEER AGENCIES ALREADY DO THIS, SO IT'S KIND OF A DUPLICATE OF EFFORTS. 
          BUT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY, UH, MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, CHANGES OR ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA IMPACT US SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THAT PARTICULAR BILL. 
          UM, THE MASS FATALITY CHANGES IS REALLY FOCUSED MORE ON THE JUSTICE OF PEACE. 
          UM, WHERE WE HAVE CORNERS UP HERE, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY, BUT ONE SECTION DOES APPLY IS HOW THOSE, UM, MASS FATALITY OPERATIONS WOULD INTEGRATE WITH LOCAL RESPONDERS. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY THE CHIEF VY AND CHIEF TITTLE, UH, WE HAVE PLANS IN PLACE. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TRAINED AND EXERCISED. 
          AGAIN, UM, ANY KIND 
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OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WE'D BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE PRETTY QUICK. 
          AND, UH, FINALLY, THE NEUTRALIZING OF THE DRONES. 
          WELL, UH, THAT'S MORE FOR DPS AND FOR, UH, UH, T DM TO ALLOW THEM TO REMOVE, UH, NON-GOVERNMENT OPERATED DRONES FROM A DISASTER AREA. 
          AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, KERR COUNTY, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON THERE, THE LOOKY-LOOS WERE SENDING UP PERSONAL DRONES, AND IT BECAME A PROBLEM. 
          UM, SB THREE, THE CENTRAL TEXAS FLOOD WARNING SYSTEMS GUIDANCE AND GRANT PROGRAM. 
          REALLY NOT, UH, GONNA IMPACT RICHARDSON. 
          SO MUCH MORE GONNA BE FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE CLOSER TO RIVERS. 
          UM, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          UH, SB FIVE, THE TEXAS RAINY DAY FUND, DISASTER RELIEF. 
          UH, THIS ONE IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE IT PROVIDES, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING, OPPORT, UH, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, EXCUSE ME, FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, MICRO BUSINESSES. 
          AND, UH, AS, AS THE NAME SAYS, ARE HOPING TO TAKE FUNDING FROM THAT RAINY DAY FUND AND ACTUALLY APPLY IT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE SENATE BILL ONE THAT PASSED. 
          UM, THIS IS STATE LICENSING FOR YOUTH CAMPS LOCATED IN FLOOD PLAINS. 
          AGAIN, UH, NOT SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, ANY CAMPS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN RICHARDSON, UH, THIS COULD APPLY TO. 
          BUT, UH, I THINK, UH, ALICIA, YOU WOULD AGREE THAT WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH ANYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, ADAPT INCORPORATE FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S JUST A SAMPLING OF THE FEW BILLS. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS ON THAT IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          EVERYTHING FROM, UM, INTEROPERABILITY TO AS, UH, AS, UH, SCOTT ALLUDED TO MASS CASUALTIES, SORT OF LOOKING AT OUR STATEWIDE RESPONSE AND REGISTRATION FOR VOLUNTEERS FOR, UM, AGENCIES AND ENTITIES AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, REALLY JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE OUR STATEWIDE EFFORTS IN THOSE AREAS. 
          SO, SO BACK TO NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO EVALUATE THOSE, UH, LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED IN THE LARGE SCALE, UM, CATASTROPHIC RESPONSES THAT WE GO TO IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR FLOOD FLOOD EFFORTS LIKE THE TWO THAT WE RESPONDED TO THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND JUST CONTINUE TO IMPROVE OUR PLANS IS WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS DOING. 
          SO, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS, OF YOU GUYS AS COUNCIL OF OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UM, AND REALLY OUR VOLUNTEER GROUPS TO BOLSTER OUR EFFORTS AND MULTIPLY WHAT WE CAN DO AS A DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, I'VE ALSO GOT, UM, KELLY, UH, IN OUR, IN SUPPORT OF US HERE. 
          UM, SHE'S PART OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM. 
          UH, AND THEN I'VE ALSO GOT A FEW THAT ARE OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          I'VE GOT ONE AT A NATIONAL CONFERENCE. 
          SO HE'S, UM, FINISHING OUT A CERTIFICATION THAT IS REQUIRED FOR OUR POSITION THAT'LL SORT OF TAKE HIM OVER THE TOP WITH THAT, UM, MARK LAMENTS. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT RYAN STEELE ON OUR TEAM AS WELL, WHO DID SOME OF THOSE DEPLOYMENTS RECENTLY. 
          SO WE ALWAYS JUST WANNA LEARN AND IMPROVE. 
          UM, BUT WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT TO QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL OR ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR EL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, BOTH OF YOU COMING AND SPEAKING TO US TODAY. 
          QUESTION, UM, I REALLY, WELL, FIRST COMMENT, I REALLY LOVE THE GRAPHICS ON THE SLIDE. 
          THE, UH, WAS IT SLIDE THREE? MM-HMM . 
          QUESTION ABOUT THE BE INFORMED SECTION. 
          UM, THE ALERTS THAT ARE SIGNED UP, THESE ARE FOR TEXT ALERTS. 
          IS THIS A, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN I KNOW WE'VE, I'VE HEARD THE TERM REVERSE 9 1 1. 
          UM, I KNOW WE USED THAT, LIKE WHEN WE HAD THE WATER TOWER MM-HMM . 
          IT IS THAT SAME SYSTEM, SO IT'S OUR MASS NOTIFICATION SYSTEM. 
          IF YOU GO TO C.NET/ALERTS, YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR CALLS, TEXTS, EMAILS FROM THAT SYSTEM, AND IT'S SPECIFIC TO YOUR ADDRESS. 
          SO IT'S BASED ON YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF YOU ARE IMPACTED BY A WATER ISSUE AND I NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAN SELECT THAT AREA ON A MAP. 
          SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SIGN UP FOR THOSE NOTIFICATIONS SO YOU HAVE THE BEST INFORMATION FOR YOUR HOME. 
          SO, I HEAR YOU, IT'S NOT JUST WEATHER ALERT TYPE STUFF. 
          THIS IS FOR ANY POSSIBLE EMERGENCY SPECIFIC TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          TORNADO WARNINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY INCLUDED WITH THE SYSTEM, BUT YOU CAN OPT IN FOR ADDITIONAL WEATHER ALERTS TO JUST, YOU KNOW, ADD TO YOUR AWARENESS AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE JUST REAL QUICK. 
          UH, FIRST THE OUTREACH DISTRIBUTION SLIDE. 
          REALLY COOL TO SEE THAT YOU'VE KIND OF DEFINITELY ALL OVER THE CITY, WHICH IS AWESOME. 
          IT JUST WASN'T LIKE A, WASN'T A HEAT MAP WHERE IT WAS ALL, ALL IN ONE LITTLE SPACE. 
          UM, THE MASS NOTIFICATION, I, I HAVE BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THIS STAT, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE EVEN A PART OF THE MASS NOTIFICATION AT THIS POINT? AND IF THAT SHOULD BE A THING WE SHOULD BE PRESSING MORE OFTEN? MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE ACCESS TO ADDITIONAL, IT'S CALLED RESIDENT CONNECT THROUGH OUR PLATFORM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO IF I HAVE AN EMERGENCY NOTICE, I CAN ACTUALLY SEND IT TO CELL PHONES THAT ARE, UH, THAT PAY THEIR BILL IN RICHARDSON, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE ACCESS TO ADDITIONAL 
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CONTACTS BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THROUGH OUR, OUR PORTAL AND OUR SYSTEM. 
          BUT THE REASON WE ASK YOU TO REGISTER BY ADDRESS IS SO YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL WEATHER ALERTS. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE LIFE THREAT, I CAN'T SELECT THAT OPTION. 
          I CAN ONLY SEND IT TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE OPTED IN FOR THOSE ALERTS. 
          SO A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE JUST INFORMATIONAL OR, UM, FOR BETTER AWARENESS. 
          SO AS FAR AS NUMBERS, I DON'T WANNA MISQUOTE, I KNOW SCOTT AND I LOOK AT THAT A LOT. 
          UM, AND WE LOOK AT THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE REGISTERED. 
          DO YOU HAVE ROUGHLY AROUND CLOSE TO 10,000 RESIDENTS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY SIGNED UP MM-HMM . 
          FOR THE TAYLOR SYSTEM THROUGH RESIDENT CONNECT? THROUGH RESIDENT CONNECT? UM, I, I THINK OUR CONTACTS ARE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT KEEPS IN MIND THAT THAT'S, AS SHE SAID, UH, UH, TEXT GROUPS, BUT ALSO VOICEOVER INTERNET, UH, RESIDENTIAL LINES, WHICH ARE BECOMING THE PING OF THE PAST. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, VERY RAPIDLY EMAILS AND OTHER PARTICULAR SOURCES THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN, UH, THEY MIGHT HAVE, UH, PRIVY TO. 
          PERFECT. 
          YES. 
          SO THE RESIDENT CONNECT DATA HAS BEEN A GAME CHANGER FOR US. 
          IF I'VE GOT A MISSING PERSON, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AND WE HAVE AN IMMINENT LIFE THREAT FOR THAT, WE CAN ACCESS THOSE ADDITIONAL CONTACTS. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO, TO RECOVER THOSE PEOPLE IN THE PAST. 
          THAT'S RELATIVELY, RELATIVELY NEW. 
          UH, YES. 
          YEAH, WE ADDED IT. 
          UH, I WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, TWO PAYMENT, TWO FULL CYCLES WITH THAT. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          LAST QUESTION. 
          IT MAY BE TOO SOON TO ASK, BUT ON THE BACKGROUND CHECK ELEMENT, UH, THAT WAS GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, IS THAT SOMETHING, DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE KIND OF PRE-SCREEN, SO TO SPEAK, BEFORE AN EMERGENCY? SO FOR OUR CITY GROUPS, I THINK, UM, THE VOLUNTEER CHECK IS, IS PART OF THAT, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          UM, TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR CITY FUNCTIONS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS MANAGED BY THOSE DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO, UH, POLICE AND FIRE HAVE THEIR OWN CRITERIA, UM, FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, WHEN WE DO OPEN A VOLUNTEER COORDINATION CENTER AS PART OF OUR RESPONSE, WE DO INCORPORATE THE BACKGROUND TRACK ALREADY. 
          UM, SO IT'S PART OF OUR IN INTERNAL PROCESSES AND PLANNING AS WELL. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THAT THOUGHT? THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, 
          [6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CITY HALL PUBLIC ART ]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CITY HALL PUBLIC ART. 
          MR. MAGNA. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          WE'RE VERY, UM, HAPPY TO WELCOME, UH, MEREDITH MCKINLEY BACK WITH US. 
          UH, JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, UH, BACK IN JUNE, JUNE 23RD, MARK FORENS, UH, THE ARTIST, UH, WHO HAS PRODUCED TWO PIECES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, WAS WITH US, UH, THAT NIGHT. 
          WE DID PRESENT A, A UPDATED SECOND OPTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          YOU REQUESTED THAT WE, UH, ASSESS A NON PLAZA LOCATION AND, UH, KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS OF, UH, A, A NON PLAZA LOCATION VERSUS THE PLAZA LOCATION. 
          SO MEREDITH HAS PREPARED TO DO THAT TONIGHT AS WELL. 
          UH, WE ALSO, UH, I BELIEVE, HAVE THOROUGHLY CONFIRMED THAT THE MATERIALS, UM, THAT, UH, MARK HAS PRESENTED TO YOU, UH, ARE VERY, UH, MUCH, UH, LIKES MATERIALS THAT YOU WOULD FIND, UH, IN OUR PARKS AND ON OUR PLAYGROUNDS, UH, ON OTHER, UH, EQUIPMENT. 
          AND SO MEREDITH VISIT, UH, ON THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, COMING OUT OF TONIGHT'S BRIEFING, REALLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOME DIRECTION ON WHICH OF THE TWO PIECES OF ART YOU'D LIKE, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          AND WHERE, UH, IF, UH, THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS AROUND EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE'RE PREPARED TO, UH, KIND OF WORK WITH YOU TO RESET, UH, MAYBE RECALIBRATE AND THEN, UH, RECONSIDER, UM, HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, UH, ONE OF THE TWO PIECES AND ONE OF THE TWO LOCATIONS IS NOT YOUR ONLY OPTION TONIGHT. 
          AND SO, UH, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, UM, WHEN WE HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          SO MEREDITH, THANKS, UH, FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE TO PROVIDE, UH, UH, THIS VERY THOROUGH REPORT OF HOW WE GOT HERE TONIGHT. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          GOOD TO BE BACK. 
          UM, AND, UM, I AM GONNA PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE CONVERSATION TODAY. 
          SO, UM, FIRST IS SORT OF JUST A, A TIMELINE AND, UM, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT I FIRST MET WITH YOU ALL, UH, ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, SEPTEMBER OF 2023, UM, TO PRESENT OUR PROPOSED APPROACH TO ALL OF THE, UM, 2021 BOND PROGRAM, PUBLIC ART PROJECTS, INCLUDING FIRE STATION FIVE, THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THE LIBRARY. 
          AND WE TALKED BRIEFLY THEN ABOUT CITY HALL, UM, UH, THAT NIGHT. 
          YOU ALL PROVIDED SOME REALLY VALUABLE FEEDBACK ON THE SELECTION PROCESS, AND WE PROCEEDED WITH THE FIRE STATION ANIMAL SHELTER AND OUR TWO LIBRARY PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE CAME BACK IN JULY OF LAST YEAR TO DISCUSS CITY HALL. 
          AT THAT MEETING, WE CONFIRMED THE SIGHTING GOALS AND SELECTION PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THEN IN APRIL WAS WHEN I WAS HERE PRESENTING, UM, THE, UM, THE THREE CONCEPTS, INCLUDING THE RECOMMENDED, UH, CONCEPT BY MARK FORNEY. 
          AND THEN, UM, YOU GOT TO MEET MARK, UH, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO IN JUNE. 
          SO, UM, AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WE'LL BE TALKING TONIGHT 
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ABOUT THE LOCATION, THE SCOPE, AND THE SELECTED ARTISTS HIMSELF. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M JUST HERE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, UM, ON THOSE TOPICS. 
          UH, SO WE'LL START WITH LOCATION. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH YOU AND WITH STAFF ON CITING THIS WORK, ONE OF THE THINGS WE FIRST LOOKED AT WERE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED FOR THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. 
          AND, UM, WE CAME BACK TO THESE AND WE SHARED THESE WITH OUR SELECTED FINALISTS AS WELL. 
          AND I THINK IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S SOME IMPORTANT IDEAS HERE THAT COME THROUGH WITH THE ART IDEAS AROUND HONORING THE PAST, WHILE LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE, ESTABLISHING A SENSE OF ARRIVAL, CREATING A WELCOMING CAMPUS, AND ENHANCING THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE WHERE, WHERE THESE WERE ALL REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE WERE DEVELOPING THE GOALS FOR THE PUBLIC ART PROJECT. 
          UM, UH, WHEN WE WERE HERE IN JUNE OR JULY OF LAST YEAR, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE ZONE FOR THE ARTWORK ITSELF. 
          AND, AND, UM, THE SITE WAS REALLY FOCUSED IN ON, UM, IN PART BECAUSE IT HONORS THE SYMMETRY OF THE PLAZA AND IT PUTS THAT NEW ARTWORK POTENTIALLY IN DIALOGUE WITH THE FOUNTAIN. 
          UM, IT ALSO ALIGNS WITH THE, WITH THE LAY OF TREES IN THE WALKWAY. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO WERE THINKING A LOT ABOUT THE SITE USE, UM, UM, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THIS WAS THE ZONE THAT WE, WE, UM, WE USED WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE CALL FOR ARTISTS. 
          SO USING THE FOOTPRINT OF MARK'S CONCEPT TO SHOW, UM, THE LOCATION. 
          UH, YOU SEE THIS HERE, YOU SAW THIS DIAGRAM WHEN MARK PRESENTED, UM, AND HE'S MIMICKING THE, IN THIS CASE, THE DIAMETER OF THE FOUNTAIN ITSELF, WHICH IS 47 FEET. 
          UM, SO THIS WAS A LOCATION ONE. 
          AND THEN WE TALKED WITH MARK ABOUT POTENTIAL OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE OLD CITY HALL SITE. 
          AND THERE WERE SEVERAL OPTIONS AND JUST WANTED TO SORT OF, THIS WAS ONE, UM, OF THE STRONGER ONES WE LOOKED AT WITH HIM. 
          AND, UM, THE IDEA OF CITING IT WITHIN THIS SORT OF, UM, AGAIN, SORT OF PUTS THE, PUTS THE ARTWORK AND DIALOGUE WITH THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, IT ALSO CREATES AN ANCHOR, UM, FOR THIS OPEN SPACE. 
          IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A, UM, AN ANCHOR FOR TEMPORARY EVENTS AND ACTIVATE THAT SPACE. 
          UM, SO SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS SITING OR FOR ALTERNATE SITING WERE, WERE A FEW. 
          ONE WAS, UM, JUST KNOWING THAT THE PLAZA, UM, WAS DESIGNED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE ART IN MIND. 
          AND SO MOVING THAT ARTWORK WILL REQUIRE REVISING, UM, SOME ALREADY COMPLETED SITE WORK, UM, AROUND THE GREEN. 
          UM, THERE WOULD ALSO BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED TO LOCATE THE ART IN A DIFFERENT AREA. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE LIGHTING, UM, CON, UH, CONCRETE FOUNDATION, DRAINING, UM, AND THEN ACCESS. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'D HAVE TO, TO PUT IN SOME SORT OF ACCESS. 
          UM, UH, SOME, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION WOULD JUST BE THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT. 
          SO REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TREES AND PLANTINGS AND THE PERIMETER OF THE OLD CITY HALL SITE GREEN, UM, HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE SITE USE FOR FUTURE EVENTS LIKE SANTA'S VILLAGE, UM, AND THE SAFETY FAIR. 
          AND THEN, UM, UM, JUST WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT PLAZA SPACE, UM, UH, FOR THE FUTURE. 
          UH, NEXT I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, GIVE SOME BACKGROUND AGAIN ON THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO I MENTIONED THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES REALLY HELP TO INFORM OUR PUBLIC ART GOALS. 
          UM, I PULL THIS UP BEFORE EVERY MEETING ABOUT OUR CITY HALL PUBLIC ART PROJECT. 
          KIND OF LIKE I ALWAYS THINK OF AS THE GIRL SCOUT PLEDGE. 
          YOU START AT THE BEGINNING OF  OF EVERY MEETING. 
          UM, SO THIS IS OUR, UM, OUR GOALS. 
          THESE HELPED INFORM THE ARTISTS. 
          IT HELPED INFORM THE SELECTION PANEL. 
          UM, AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF THOSE HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, WE HAD A REALLY FANTASTIC SELECTION PANEL, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          UM, THEY DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, UM, AND THEY WERE REALLY SELECTED BECAUSE THEY HAD JUST A, UM, UH, UH, OF THEIR EXPERIENCE. 
          SO WE HAVE MIKE KELLER, WHO IS ON THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, TED, UM, KJA, WHO'S A, A MEMBER OF THE, UM, CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AND ALSO AN ARCHITECT, CHERYL MABRY, A VISUAL ARTIST. 
          UM, JONATHAN PLANT, WHO'S THE ASSOCIATE DEAN OF ARTS AT UTD, UM, SANDY, WHO IS A CAC MEMBER, AND ALSO, UH, AN ENGINEER. 
          UM, AND THEN AMBER POLLEN AND, UH, ANNE SCHROEDER, WHO BOTH, UH, WORK WITH THE CITY IN PLANNING AND IN FINANCE TO SORT OF BRING THE, BRING THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE SORT OF THE USER, UM, OF CITY HALL, UM, OR AT LEAST FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAD LISA CASEY FROM STUDIO OUTSIDE AND ANNIM, UM, PARTICIPATE IN ALL OF OUR SELECTION PANEL MEETINGS. 
          AND THEY BROUGHT SOME REALLY GREAT INSIGHT, UM, TO THAT, THOSE, THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          UM, BRINGING THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PLANNING, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CAMPUS. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW. 
          YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR 
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PROCESS. 
          UM, UH, WE DID HAVE 111 ARTISTS SUPPLY. 
          UM, WE HAD OUR THREE FINALISTS. 
          UM, WE, UM, THOSE FINALISTS, UM, WENT THROUGH, UM, UH, OR CAME TO RICHARDSON FOR, UM, A SITE VISIT. 
          THEY MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THE MAYOR, THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AND SELECTION PANEL. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD A TECHNICAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK SESSION WITH THEM, WITH, UM, LISA AND ANNE AND CITY STAFF. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY PRESENTED THOSE CONCEPTS TO THE SELECTION PANEL. 
          SO THEN OUR ARTISTS, SO YOU GOT TO MEET MARK. 
          I'M SORRY, I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT. 
          UM, BUT I DID WATCH ONLINE, UH, WATCH THAT PRESENTATION ONLINE. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARK AND HIS STUDIO, THE VERY MANY, THEY'RE BASED IN NEW YORK. 
          UM, MARK SPECIALIZES IN BOTH ART AND ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, AND AS YOU SAW FROM HIS WORK, THEY, UM, UTILIZE PERFORATED, UH, CURVED ALUMINUM IN THE ASSEMBLY PROCESS TO EXPLORE FORM, STRUCTURE AND SPATIAL EXPERIENCES. 
          UM, THEIR WORK IS RECOGNIZED FOR ITS SORT OF NON-LINEAR GEOMETRY ORGANIC FORMS. UM, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THEIR PUBLIC ART PROJECTS THAT I'M GONNA SHARE A COUPLE OF HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          THEY'VE ALSO BEEN COMMISSIONED BY MANY, UM, CORPORATE CLIENTS, INCLUDING GOOGLE AND LOUIS VUITTON, AND THEY'VE BEEN EXHIBITED AT MUSEUMS. UM, MARK IS A REGISTERED AND PRACTICING ARCHITECT, AND, UM, HE WORKS WITH LICENSED ENGINEER, UH, LICENSED ENGINEERS IN THE DESIGN OF THEIR STRUCTURES. 
          UM, AND I AM GONNA JUST SHARE A FEW OF THESE WORKS. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALL PAINTED ALUMINUM. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S THE MATERIAL THAT MARK WORKS IN. 
          UM, AND THESE ARE FROM, REALLY FROM ABOUT 10 YEARS TO PRESENT. 
          AND THEY, I SELECTED A FEW THAT ARE IN WARMER CLIMATES ALSO. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, UH, SPINE WAY, IT'S IN WOODLAWN PARK IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. 
          UM, FORM OF WANDER IS LOCATED AT THE TAMPA AIRPORT, UM, A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC AND OUTDOOR LOCATION. 
          THIS IS IN FRONT OF THE VALERIE WOODWARD CENTER. 
          IT'S A COUNTY BUILDING IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA. 
          THIS IS MARQUIS. 
          IT'S IN EL PASO, TEXAS. 
          I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THIS PIECE. 
          IT'S REALLY STUNNING. 
          UM, AND IT'S IN A, IN FRONT OF A, UM, SWIMMING POOL, BUILDING A AUDITORIUM, UM, A VERY HIGH LAFF HIGH TRAFFIC LOCATION WITH A LOT OF FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. 
          UM, THIS IS ANOTHER AIRPORT PIECE. 
          THIS IS IN, UM, AUSTIN, A RELATIVELY NEW PIECE, ALSO A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC LOCATION. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THE ORB, UM, WHICH IS ONE OF THIS, HIS NEWER PIECES. 
          IT'S A HIGHLY INTERACTIVE STRUCTURE, AND SO PEOPLE, UM, ARE FREQUENTLY TOUCHING, LEANING AGAINST IT, UM, AND INTERACTING WITH IT. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED, THE PAINTED ALUMINUM IS, UH, IS, IS A, UM, COMMON AND PUBLIC OUTDOOR SPACES, INCLUDING HERE IN RICHARDSON. 
          UM, IT'S USED IN PLAYGROUNDS. 
          IT'S ALSO COMMON FOR PARK BENCHES, PATIO FURNITURE, AND OTHER OUTDOOR USES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST A REFRESHER ON THE TWO CONCEPTS. 
          UM, THIS IS CAROUSEL. 
          UM, AND AS YOU RECALL FROM MARK'S PRESENTATION, IT TAKES INSPIRATION FROM A CAROUSEL, CAROUSEL OR MERRY-GO-ROUND OF A PARK STRUCTURE THAT MOST FOLKS HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH AND POSITIVE ASSOCIATIONS. 
          UM, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH BOTH CONCEPTS, THE DIAMETER OF THE ARTWORK, UM, ECHOES THE DIAMETER OF THE FOUNTAIN, STRENGTHENING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          UM, AS MARK DISCUSSED IN JUNE, HIS GOAL WAS TO CREATE AN EXPERIENCE, A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE THAT CAN BE USED AND ENJOYED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT CAN BE A SPACE FOR INFORMAL USE, A PLACE TO WAIT FOR FRIENDS TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK, TO READ A BOOK. 
          IT CAN ALSO BE A SPACE AND A BACKDROP FOR MORE FORMAL PROGRAMMING. 
          UM, WHEN MARK PRESENTED THIS TO THE SELECTION PANEL, IT WAS THE CONSENSUS CHOICE. 
          UH, THE PANELISTS COMMENTED ON THE BEAUTY OF THE ARTWORK, THE WAY IT TOOK INSPIRATION FROM THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC FORMS, BUT WAS ALSO VERY FORWARD LOOKING AT ITS DESIGN. 
          UM, THERE WERE LOTS OF COMMENTS ON THE SHADE AND THE RELATED SORT OF SUNDIAL EFFECT, UM, AND THAT IT WOULD BE A DRAW THAT THEY COULD IMAGINE. 
          COMING BACK TO HERE AGAIN IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE MUSIC KIOSK. 
          SO THIS WAS THE SECOND CONCEPT THAT MARK PRESENTED, UM, A FEW WEEKS AGO. 
          UM, IT TAKES ITS INSPIRATION FROM HISTORIC PARK GAZEBOS AND BANDSTANDS OR MUSIC STANDS. 
          UM, AND IT WAS DEVELOPED IN RESPONSE TO FEEDBACK, UM, THAT, THAT WE SHARED WITH HIM ABOUT OPENING UP VIEWS TO CITY HALL FROM THE LIBRARY AND, AND FROM THE LIBRARY TO CITY HALL. 
          UM, IT'S MORE SPACIOUS AND OPEN UNDERNEATH. 
          IT PROVIDES SHADE AND SHELTER, A PLACE TO REST, UM, A PLACE FOR INFORMAL AND PROBABLY MORE SPACE THAN THE PREVIOUS FOR FORMAL PROGRAMMING. 
          UM, AS WITH THE OTHER CONCEPTS, SHADE AND SHADOW ARE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT. 
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UM, AND THE VISUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ARTWORK AND THE FOUNTAIN IS REINFORCED NOT JUST IN SCALE AND PLACEMENT, BUT ALSO WITH THESE VIEWS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO AS A CITY MANAGER, UH, UH, STARTED US OFF WITH, WE REALLY HAVE, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          OR YOU MIGHT HAVE A FIFTH OPTION, UM, THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE TABLE, BUT WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START THE CONVERSATION. 
          SO THE FIRST MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF CAROUSEL IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION AND THE PLAZA MOVING FORWARD WITH CAROUSEL, BUT IN A, IN THAT NEWER LOCATION OR, OR STUDYING THAT NEWER LOCATION IN THE FORMER CITY HALL SITE IN THE LAWN, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT REVISED CONCEPT, MUSIC KIOSK IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, OR PUTTING THE PROJECT ON HOLD AND REVISITING THE ARTWORK AT A FUTURE DATE. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, MEREDITH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND, AND, UH, SHARING THE UPDATES. 
          UM, COUNSEL, I WAS NOT WITH Y'ALL LAST TIME YOU DISCUSSED THIS. 
          UM, I WAS OUT OF TOWN AT A CONFERENCE, SO I'M GLAD I'M, I'M PART OF THIS THIS TIME. 
          MY INITIAL THOUGHTS HERE, MOVING IT, UM, AWAY FROM ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION KIND OF KILLS THE ORIGINAL SPIRIT BEHIND PUTTING IT, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. 
          IF WE MOVE IT TO A GREEN SPACE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE ON CAMPUS, I THINK IT KIND OF KILLS THAT. 
          SO FOR ME, MOVING IT MOVING ITS LOCATION ISN'T REALLY AN OPTION. 
          SO I THINK IT KIND OF DEFEATS ITS, UM, ITS PURPOSE IN THE SPIRIT BEHIND THE REFLECTIVENESS OF THE OLD AND THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH, WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE LOCATION IN PLAZA, I LIKE THE ORIGINAL. 
          UH, I LIKE THE, THE UPDATED ONE. 
          I THINK THE ORIGINAL ONE BECAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE OF A, I GUESS, FUNNEL TYPE SHAPE WHERE IT'S, WHERE THE BOTTOM IS MORE CENTRALIZED, IT KIND OF PROVIDES SIMILAR WIDTH TO WHAT THE FOUNTAIN IS. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO MY VOTE HERE WOULD BE A, KEEP IT IN THE ORIGINAL SPOT, KEEP THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT EVERYBODY, UM, SEEMED TO AGREE ON. 
          I LIKE IT. 
          UH, AND I THINK IT'S IN THE RIGHT LOCATION. 
          SO THAT SEEMED TO BE THE ONE THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR A WHILE AND WAS RECOMMENDED TO US. 
          I, I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH THAT IN ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S YOUR PREFERENCE, UH, SINCE WE'RE NOT VOTING, I, I SUPPOSE, YEAH, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE. 
          PERFECT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, MEREDITH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, BRINGING ALL THIS BACK TO OUR ATTENTION AGAIN. 
          AND, AND THANKS FOR PROVIDING THE LOCATION, AL ALTERNATIVES AND, UM, AND THE ALTERNATES FROM THE ARTISTS. 
          I DID LIKE A LOT OF HIS, UH, OTHER ARTWORK AS WELL, A COUPLE OF 'EM IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, UM, I, UH, DO LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO USE THE PAINTED METAL, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, NOT AS HOT TO THE TOUCH AND THE MATERIALS THAT WERE SELECTED. 
          I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR LAST MEETING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING MORE SUSTAINABLE, UH, WHICH I APPRECIATE TAKING YOU, TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, FOR ME, UH, UH, PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND I, THE ORIGINAL CAROUSEL DESIGN. 
          I LIKE THE LOCATION IN THE PLAZA ACROSS FROM THE FOUNTAIN AND THE SCALE. 
          I LIKE HOW IT SETS AND SORT OF ELIMINATES THE CITY. 
          UM, UH, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE END, AND I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTING OPTION A MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COOL. 
          ANY OTHER INPUT FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS? YES, MA'AM. 
          GO TIME HUTCH AND RAD. 
          UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, UM, THAT KIND OF SHOWS? OH, LET'S SEE. 
          JUST TELL ME WHEN TO STOP. 
          KEEP OKAY, STOP RIGHT THERE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEP. 
          THIS 1, 1, 1 1 4. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          . 
          SO MY ONLY, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT MY TWO COUNTERPARTS HAVE SAID IN REGARDS TO THE CAROUSEL. 
          THE ONLY, THE ONLY APPEAL AS I THINK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT FOR THE MUSIC KIOSK IS EVERY YEAR WE HAVE THE RICHARDSON, UM, BAND AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS OCCURRING IN THIS AREA. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT, THAT THE ONLY PLACE WE WOULD HAVE THEN WOULD BE THAT I THINK THAT'S A GRASSY AREA BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          AND MY 
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ONLY CONCERN THERE WOULD BE IS IF IT RAINS, IF IT'S WET, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE CAROUSEL, BUT I'M JUST ASKING POSSIBLY TO ALLOW MORE FUNCTIONALITY. 
          COULD YOU GO NOW TO THE, UH, TO THE MU MUSIC KIOSK ONE? MM-HMM . 
          THAT RIGHT THERE MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE YOU COULD, I BELIEVE, GIVEN THE, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGES UNDERNEATH THERE. 
          AND DON CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, IN THEORY, WE COULD HAVE VARIOUS, LIKE IF THEY'RE, IF IF THE RICHARDSON BAND AND OTHER EVENTS ARE OCCURRING, THEY COULD OCCUR UNDERNEATH THIS MUSIC KIOSK. 
          'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE. 
          WHEREAS THE, THE CAROUSEL, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHERE Y'ALL ARE COMING FROM, AND I DON'T DISAGREE, SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK MORE FROM A PURE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT ENTIRE SPACE THERE. 
          THIS, TO ME, PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE FUNCTIONALITY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT I, I SORT OF WONDER IF WE SHOULD, IF WE SHOULD MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT MORE FUNCTIONAL SPACE IN THERE. 
          AND DONNA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, IF, IF, IF, IF YOU THINK THAT DOES, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE THERE OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A FACTOR ON IT. 
          BUT I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO TO, TO THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, OVER THE YEARS, I'VE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF EVENTS WHERE THEY'VE HAD THE, THE SYMPHONY BAND, UH, SYMPHONY, UH, NOT SYMPHONY, I'M SORRY, THE RICHARDSON BAND. 
          AND I KNOW THE SYMPHONY IS ON OCCASION, COME OUT AND PLAYED AT DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, MAYOR PROTO, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT DOES PROVIDE OPTIONS THAT THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT DOES. 
          MEREDITH, DO YOU WANNA MM-HMM . 
          KIND OF MAYBE WEIGH IN ON THAT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? SURE, SURE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN, THIS IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT, THAT CAME UP WITH THE SELECTION PANEL AS WELL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND BOTH PROVIDE A LOT OF SHADE. 
          YOU, THEY BOTH ARE PERFORATED. 
          SO WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW MUCH, RIGHT, HOW MUCH THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PROTECT FROM RAIN NECESSARILY. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY I THINK ABOUT THIS PIECE IS IT'S, IT'S, WHILE YOU CAN WALK THROUGH IT, IT'S MORE OF A BACKDROP. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD ALMOST LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE A BAND SHELL, LIKE A TRUE SHELL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU COULD IMAGINE DOING PERFORMANCES SORT OF IN FRONT OF IT WHERE IT'S SORT OF FRAMING THE SPACE. 
          WHEREAS THIS REALLY, I MEAN, HE CALLED IT THE MUSIC KIOSK. 
          I MEAN, IT DOES EVOKE SORT OF THAT, THAT SORT OF MORE TRADITIONAL SORT OF PAVILION, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU WOULD IMAGINE A BAND PLAYING. 
          AND SO I THINK, THINK, YOU KNOW, EACH, I THINK EACH WOULD BE FUNCTIONAL IN DIFFERENT WAYS FOR PERFORMANCE. 
          THEY WOULD JUST BE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THAT, SO I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD GO BACK MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          IF, IF, OOPS. 
          NOPE. 
          ONE FORWARD RIGHT THERE. 
          HOLD RIGHT THERE. 
          IF, IF WE WERE TO GO THIS APPROACH, WOULD WE CONSIDER MAYBE COMING OUT MORE, COMING OUT WITH AN ADDITIONAL CONCRETE? BECAUSE I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY WAY TO MORE OF AN APRON TO WELL, I, I WAS THINKING MORE LIKE, IN THAT, I'M GONNA CALL IT KINDA THAT GREEN GRASSY AREA RIGHT THERE. 
          IF YOU CAME, MAYBE BROUGHT OUT MORE CONCRETE, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ENOUGH SPACE, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU CAME FURTHER OUT WITH A CONCRETE, IF, IF WE WANTED TO GO WITH A, A CAROUSEL JUST SO THAT WE HAD THE OPTION, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE THERE TO PUT, TO PUT THE BAND OR THE SYMPHONY OR ANY POTENTIALLY OTHER EVENT THAT WOULD OCCUR IF WE WENT WITH THE CAROUSEL APPROACH. 
          SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I LIKE BOTH. 
          I COULD BE PERSUADED TO GO EITHER WAY, BUT I THINK IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH ONE, WE OUGHT TO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW, DON, IF IT'S, IF WE'VE ALREADY, IF WE'VE ALREADY FINISHED THAT SPACE, AND IF THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION. 
          SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS, AS POTENTIAL IF WE WANT TO GO WITH CAROUSEL. 
          I, I THINK IT IS. 
          I THINK THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT AROUND, UM, SYMMETRY AND PROPORTIONALITY FOR THE GREEN SPACE AS WELL. 
          AND SO I THINK, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED TO PROBABLY WORK WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR, WITH OUR, OUR DESIGN TEAM TO, TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          I THINK YOU, YOU WOULD WANT TO, UH, REDUCE IT FROM THE EAST AND THE WEST, YOU KNOW, PROPORTIONALLY, OR MAYBE JUST ELIMINATE IT ALTOGETHER IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ONE THOUGHT THAT COMES TO MIND. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY DOABLE. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST TREATMENT FOR IT. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I THINK GETTING SOME NUMBERS ON THE, ON THE BAND AND SORT OF HOW THEY SET UP AND THAT WE COULD SORT OF OVERLAY THAT ON A SITE PLAN WITH THIS AND SORT OF SEE, SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS MIGHT BE. 
          I, I, I WILL SAY, AND I'LL LOOK TO DENETTE OR MIKAYLA, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THE BAND IS ABSOLUTELY, UH, THIS HAS BEEN HOME TO, TO THE COMMUNITY BAND FOR THIS CAMPUS HAS BEEN HOME TO THE COMMUNITY BAND FOR DECADES. 
          UH, SO I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD CONSIDERATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER USES. 
          I KNOW THE LIBRARY HAS AN INTEREST IN, IN PROGRAMMING OUTDOORS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I THINK AS YOU KIND OF COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE TWO DESIGNS 
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AND, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE PRACTICAL, YOU KNOW, UTILIZATION OF 'EM AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, I, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK OF, UH, CLASSES. 
          I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK OF, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE EVENTS THAT WE MIGHT WANNA DO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S JUST A, A VERY WIDE, MEREDITH SAID IT BEST. 
          IT'S, THEY'RE BOTH FUNCTIONAL IN THEIR OWN WAY, UH, DIFFERENT BUT FUNCTIONAL. 
          UM, AND IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE BEST, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM. 
          AND, UM, AND, UH, TO WHAT EXTENT ACTIVATING THIS AREA IS IMPORTANT, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, AS A PIECE OF ART, I THINK THAT CAROUSEL IS BETTER, AND WE'VE SEEN THE TWO. 
          UM, MY STRUGGLE REMAINS THE SAME. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, FROM A SCALE STANDPOINT AND A PLACEMENT STANDPOINT, FOR ME IT'S, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH, UM, IN THAT SPACE, UH, GIVEN WHAT THE ORIGINAL VISION OF THAT PLAZA WAS. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND SORT OF ALL THE ARGUMENTS THAT ARE MADE IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          UM, I'M OKAY BEING THE ONLY ONE WHO'S NOT IN FAVOR OF IT BEING IN THIS LOCATION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          BUT, UH, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT FROM AN ARTISTIC STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT CAROUSEL IS THE BETTER ART, UM, OF THE TWO OPTIONS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I AM. 
          UM, BETWEEN THE TWO ART PIECES, I PICK CAROUSEL, BUT, UM, I'M STILL OPPOSED TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION FOR THAT PIECE OF ART COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          I'M JUST, SO, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THE SORT OF RAISED MUSIC KIOSK, ARE YOU JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT AT ALL IN ANY LOCATION? I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE, THE MUSIC KIOSK OR THE CAROUSEL, NOT, NOT THE CAROUSEL. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THIS ONE RIGHT HERE MM-HMM . 
          IS THERE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU'D BE IN FAVOR OF THIS, THIS ART? OR IS IT REALLY JUST CAROUSEL, BUT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION OR NOTHING? I THINK THIS SCALE OF ART IN THIS PLACE, WHETHER MUSIC, KIOSK OR CAROUSEL, IS WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT IT. 
          I SEE. 
          I THINK IT BREAKS UP THE SORT OF VISION OF THE TWO BUILDINGS TALKING TO EACH OTHER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I GET THE SYMMETRY AND ALL THE ARGUMENTS FOR IT. 
          I, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE ORIGINAL VISION FOR THAT WAS THAT THE TWO BUILDINGS WOULD SORT OF CONNECT AND SPEAK. 
          AND THIS BREAKS IT UP FOR ME. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M OKAY BEING THE ONLY ONE THAT THAT'S THE CASE FOR, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM AN, FROM AN ART STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT CAROUSEL IS JUST A MORE INTERESTING PIECE THAN MUSIC. 
          KIOSK IS THE POINT I WAS MAKING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO IF I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO'S NOT IN FAVOR OF THE LOCATION, UM, MY OPINION WOULD BE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA PICK ONE, IT WOULD BE CAROUSEL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS, I WAS SAYING. 
          BUT YEAH, I THINK THIS DOESN'T DO THE ORIGINAL VISION OF THAT CLOSET OF JUSTICE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT HELPS. 
          I THINK FROM MY END, I MEAN, I'M SORT OF LIKE COUNCILMAN OR MAYOR PRO, TIM HUTCHIN WRITER, LIKE I'M REALLY, I MEAN, FOR ME IT'S, I COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT I AM REALLY SYMPATHETIC, I GUESS JUST COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS TO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON PUBLIC ART, AND MAYBE IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS FUNCTIONAL AND BEAUTIFUL AND NOT JUST EXTREMELY BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS AT. 
          BUT I'M HONESTLY, I MEAN, THEY, I THINK THEY BOTH ARE REALLY PRETTY PIECES. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL EXTREMELY STRONGLY ABOUT EITHER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHAEL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL WORK. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ARTWORK THERE EITHER WAY IS LIKE, IT'S DISCONNECTING THE TWO BUILDING. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, THAT IT WOULD BE TALKED TO EACH OTHER. 
          UH, I, I LIKE THE FIRST ONE, THE CAROUSEL, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING HERE TO TAKE PICTURES AND THIS WILL GIVE BETTER PICTURES. 
          UH, THIS WILL BE ATTRACTION, UH, LOCATION WISE. 
          I PREFER THE LAWN SIDE THAT WOULD ACTIVATE THAT ANOTHER BIG AREA. 
          UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CREATE THE LAWN DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO, UH, NOT JUST GREEN SPACE, BUT THIS IS PRETTY KIND OF TIGHT AS TIGHT SPACE. 
          SO IT'LL, IT'LL BRING SOME CROWD, BUT IT'S GONNA GET FILLED PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK. 
          UH, AND, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, THE SQUARE SPACE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT GREEN COLOR IN THE MIDDLE. 
          UH, BUT THAT COULD BE LIKE ACHIEVED DIFFERENT WAY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GRASS. 
          YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT PAVED, UH, THAT WILL GIVE DIFFERENT COLOR. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM. 
          BUT THE THING IS, IT'S DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW. 
          I MEAN, WITH THAT LOCATION, THAT SPACE, I WISH WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE BIG EVENT, UH, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT. 
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SO, BUT I DO LIKE THE ORIGINAL, UH, DESIGN THE COUNCILS. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIS, HAVE YOU ALREADY WEIGHED IN ON THIS ONE? AT LEAST INITIALLY? I KNOW YOU'VE GOT MORE INITIALLY, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, I WANNA SAY ONE THING AND THEN, UH, WE CAN GO TO KIND OF A SECOND ROUND, UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, UH, GOING FIRST, UM, I, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, VISIT WITH A FEW OF THE ARTS COMMISSION FOLKS, UM, JUST TO SEE IF THEY HAD BEEN TRACKING THIS AT ALL, AND IF THEY HAD ANY KIND OF INPUT. 
          AND, AND THE OVERWHELMING INPUT WAS VERY MUCH, UM, ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, WE PICKED A COMMITTEE. 
          DO YOU MIND GOING TO THAT COMMITTEE SLIDE? IT'S KIND OF NEAR THE BEGINNING. 
          UH, WE PICKED A COMMITTEE TO KIND OF HELP WITH MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION, UH, IN THERE. 
          I KNOW AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, UH, UH, MR. KJA IS AN ARCHITECT, SO SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY FOR A LIVING LOOKS AT SPACES AND FIGURES OUT EXACTLY WHERE TO BUILD WHAT AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UM, AND, UH, HE WAS, I WON'T SAY WHAT THE QUOTES WERE FROM EACH PERSON, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, BOTH ARTS COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE A PART OF THIS, UH, PANEL, UH, BOTH SPOKE, UH, OR GAVE ME SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT ALL OF THIS. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, KIND OF THE, THE CONSENSUS WAS, YOU KNOW, PUT THE PAINTBRUSH BACK IN THE HAND OF THE ARTIST AND STOP TRYING TO DO ART, UH, AS A, AS A GROUP, WE, WE ALSO SELECTED A PANEL, AND I HEARD THAT THERE WAS A CONSENSUS THERE WITH THE PANEL. 
          UH, I'M HEARING A, AT LEAST A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT THE SUPERIOR ART IS DEFINITELY THE ONE THAT THEY PICKED. 
          SO I JUST, I HOPE THAT WE CAN MAYBE RECOGNIZE THAT THE GOAL HERE WAS TO HAVE PUBLIC ART. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY A PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE PUBLIC ART STEMS FROM WAY BACK AND MANY YEARS BACK, WHERE WE STARTED WANTING TO SEE, UH, MORE BUSINESSES OR MORE DEVELOPMENTS, ACTUALLY PUT PUBLIC ART OUT THERE AS A PART OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING. 
          AND, AND THIS IS US TRYING TO MAKE OUR BEST SHOT AT IT. 
          UH, I DIDN'T PICK THE PANEL, BUT THE PANELS FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO JUST REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND SO, UH, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS, BUT I, I, I'D LOVE FOR US TO CONSIDER KIND OF LETTING THE EXPERTS, UM, TAKE THIS ONE, ESPECIALLY IF MOST OF US ARE, ARE THINKING THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT PIECE OF ART IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, YOU WERE NEXT ON THE YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M GONNA, I JUST WANNA SAY A, A FEW THINGS, UH, TO THAT I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S DECISION, AND I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT THE ORIGINAL CAROUSEL DESIGN IS, UH, THE BETTER DESIGN AND PUTTING INTO THE ARTIST, UH, HANDS. 
          I TOO HAVE MET WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION TO GET SOME FEEDBACK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT, THE CAROUSEL, OF COURSE, UM, I THINK EVERYONE SORT OF AGREES THAT THAT ORIGINAL DESIGN IS THE BETTER DESIGN, ALTHOUGH ALL OF THEM ARE BEAUTIFUL, AND THE OPTION TWO IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          BUT OPTION ONE IS, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLE AND SENSATIONAL. 
          THE POINT OF THE COMMON SPACE. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'VE KEPT THE COMMON AREA OVER HERE TO THE SIDE IN THE EVENT WE EVER DID BRING BACK, LIKE SANTA'S VILLAGE, OR EVEN IF WE DIDN'T, THEY LEFT IT OVER AT HUFF FINDS, BUT WE STILL HAVE THIS OPEN GREEN SPACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBSTRUCTIONS, WHICH IS VERY NICE. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT DOWN THE TREES, AND IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY MORE MONEY TO INFILL AND BUILD IT IN THAT LOCATION. 
          SO WE COULD STILL KEEP IT WITHIN THE ORIGINAL, SOMEWHAT ALLOCATED BUDGET IF POSSIBLE. 
          AND I, I, I STILL AGREE, KEEPING A, A, AN OPEN GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS TO DO WHATEVER TYPE OF FUNCTION. 
          THE OTHER, UH, COMMENT IS IN THE COMMON CALLING AT THE COMMON AREA BETWEEN CITY HALL AND LIBRARY. 
          I DO LIKE THAT WE HAVE THOSE THREE GREEN PATCHES, OR THOSE GREEN SPACES. 
          I WOULDN'T REDUCE THOSE, UH, TO THE POINT OF HAVING THE BAND OR, UH, ANY OTHER TYPE OF MU MUSIC, UH, UH, ARTIST, UH, VENUES. 
          UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS HERE. 
          ONE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE ALWAYS PUT A PLATFORM UP. 
          TRADITIONALLY, UM, WE COULD PUT A TEMPORARY PERGOLA OF SOME SORT TO SORT OF SHIELD, UH, A WEATHER OR SUN OR, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY AND, UH, A YEAR THAT WE HAVE THOSE EVENTS. 
          AND THAT COULD EASILY BE PUT ON ONE OF THOSE GRASS POCKETS. 
          UH, NOT REALLY UTILIZING UNDERNEATH THE CAROUSEL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S STILL AN OPTION FOR A, AN EVENT OR A, A SPECIFIC ARTIST. 
          AND THEN ALSO TOO, ON THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ISOMETRIC FROM SORT OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE LIBRARY AND CITY HALL, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ANOTHER PLATFORM THAT'S SORT OF AT AN ANGLE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE AN EYEBROW THAT, UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S JUST A, SOME PAVERS OR IF THAT'S A CONCRETE SLAB. 
          IT'S ON THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ISOMETRIC LOOKING ABOVE LIKE A SITE LAMP. 
          OH, THIS ONE? UM, NO. 
          YEAH, WE, WE COULD, OH, THIS ONE. 
          THAT ONE. 
          YEP. 
          THERE'S A, A SORT OF AN EYEBROW, UM, DESIGN RIGHT THERE, THE LEFT UNDERNEATH THAT FOLIAGE, UH, UNDER THE CANOPY. 
          I SEE THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY ALSO COULD BE UTILIZED FOR OUTDOOR OF, YOU 
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KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT AND, AND A TEMPORARY PERGOLA OF SOME SORT. 
          COULD BE POSITIONED AND SEEDY COULD BE PUT ON THE PLAZA. 
          ON THE CONCRETE SIDE, WE'D STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE WATER FEATURES THAT HAVE A SECONDARY DISTRACTION. 
          UH, WOULD, WOULD BE THE WATER FEATURE AND HAVE ENTERTAINMENT THERE. 
          OR AGAIN, WE COULD USE ONE OF THE GREEN SPACES TO PUT IN, UH, UH, A PLATFORM, UH, AND COVER IF WE EVEN NEED IT. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE. 
          AND I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT WANNA TAKE AWAY THE GREEN SPACE. 
          A MATTER OF FACT, WE NEED THAT TO SOFTEN IT UP AND ALSO, UH, ALLOW SOUND NOT TO CARRY. 
          AND, UH, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DESTRUCT OR, UH, SECONDARY DESTRUCT OR, UH, DESTRUCTIONS THERE THAT WILL ALLOW THE, UH, FOLIAGE AND THE ARTWORK AND THE GRASS AND THE FOUNTAIN TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE THOSE COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERST IT. 
          IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT CATCH. 
          AND I, I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU PUT IT. 
          UM, I, I LOVE YOUR COMMENTS THERE, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND I HADN'T SEEN THAT OR CAUGHT THAT, BUT IT IS RELATED TO THE COMMENT I WAS GONNA MAKE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO USE THE LIP OF THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OF THE CAROUSEL THERE, THE REALITY IS THE BAND WOULD BE UNDER THERE FACING WEST INTO THE SUN. 
          'CAUSE THEY DO IT IN THE EVENINGS ANYWAY. 
          SO EVEN IF IT WERE MORE FUNCTIONAL, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE STARING INTO THE SUN, Y'ALL, THEY'RE LOOKING WEST IN THE EVENING. 
          UM, SO, SO MAKING IT MORE FUNCTIONAL ISN'T NECESSARILY MORE BETTER. 
          I THINK THAT THE BEAUTY OF ART IS HOW WE INTERACT WITH IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE, ALTHOUGH IT'S, IT SERVES A PURPOSE ON ITS OWN, IT TRULY COMES WITH HOW WE INTERACT WITH IT. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO MAKE IT MORE FUNCTIONAL OR APPEAR MORE FUNCTIONAL, WOULD KIND OF LOSE THAT PIECE OF IT. 
          SO I THINK US AS, OR THE INDIVIDUAL GROUPS AS THEY CHOOSE TO INTERACT, WHERE THEY CHOOSE TO SET UP, HOW THEY CHOOSE TO FACE, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT INTERACTION WITH THE ART ITSELF. 
          UM, NOW SLIDE 31. 
          MY CONCERN HERE, I KNOW COUNCILMAN, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, UM, HAD A CONCERN ABOUT SCALE. 
          AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND HER CONCERN. 
          MY CONCERN IS ON THIS PIECE, THAT WOULD EVEN BE A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE THE PILLARS, THEY'RE SO WIDE AND IT HAS SUCH A WIDE BASE. 
          IT HAS ALMOST A CYRAL, IT FEELS LIKE A CYLINDER, RIGHT? IT, IT'S KIND OF LONG AND ROUND AND TALL, AND IT FEELS MORE BULKY THAN THE OTHER ONE, WHICH AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, HAS MORE OF A FUNNEL. 
          SO, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN DORIAN, UH, FOR CATCHING THAT EYEBROW. 
          AND I, I AGREE THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND THAT WE, THAT THE CITY STAFF OR THE GROUPS INDIVIDUALLY HAVE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTIVATING THIS AREA. 
          UM, YOU, YOU MADE A GREAT POINT ABOUT THE SUNSET. 
          AND I, I THINK IF YOU, UH, DON'T MIND GOING BACK TO THE KIND OF THE PART YEAH, RIGHT THERE IS FINE. 
          UM, I WANTED TO VERIFY WITH, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND THE FOUNTAIN IS TRADITIONALLY WHERE THE STAGE IS SET UP FOR THE BAND. 
          UH, AND THAT'S PROBABLY PARTLY, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SUN AND, UH, IT BEING IN YOUR EYES. 
          I THINK THE, THE LIBRARY PROBABLY PROVIDES, UH, THAT KIND OF SHADE AND IS WHERE THEY'VE SET THAT UP BEFORE. 
          SO IT, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO STILL BE THERE AND, AND BE ENJOYED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, IN AND AROUND THE ART, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          CORCORAN, YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT? UH, MAN, I THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YEAH, I, I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW AT THIS POINT, NASA, I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY HEAD'S AT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BARRIOS IS, HAS A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE SUN, AND IT'S NOT WHAT YOU CAN REALLY DO FUNCTIONALLY WITH IT RIGHT. 
          IN THE EVENINGS. 
          SO THAT, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          AND LIKE WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THE SORT OF OPTION, THE ORIGINAL OPTION IS THE MORE BEAUTIFUL OPTION. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, I GUESS WHERE MY HEAD'S AT RIGHT NOW IS WE EITHER GO WITH THIS, WITH THIS PLACEMENT, WE MOVE IT WHERE, UH, IT'S BEEN SORT OF THE PROPOSED SECOND PLACE TO BE MOVED, WHICH I LIKE THAT. 
          OR, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TEMPERATURE IS ON THIS, BUT MAYBE WE REALLY JUST GO WITH OPTION D AND PUT IT ON HOLD. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M THINKING. 
          I, IT SEEMS LIKE THE OPTION, THE TEMPERATURE FOR OPTION D IS NOT, IT'S LIKE MOST PEOPLE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PIECE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE AND SEE. 
          YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT'S FAIR. 
          I, I, I ALSO THINK IT MIGHT SET A, PERSONALLY, I THINK IT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT FOR I UNDERSTAND FUTURE BUILDINGS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE. 
          I UNDERSTAND PUBLIC GUARD ON AS WELL. 
          I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND HOW IT LOOKS. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, ANY LAST COMMENTS? I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH DEE, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE, UH, SORT OF END GAME WOULD BE. 
          ARE WE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE ART ALTOGETHER OR JUST PUNTING TO A LATER DATE? AND IF IT'S THE LATTER, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD DO THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OTHER GREAT ART PIECES BROUGHT 
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TO US, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER A DIFFERENT ART PIECE AT THAT POINT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE OPEN TO IT, JUST SORT OF UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD BE DOING IT, UM, WOULD BE IMPORTANT. 
          AND PUNTING ON THIS PIECE OF ART WOULD NOT BE WORTH IT. 
          UM, SO MY POSITION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT MY POSITION IS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO TOO MANY, AND I'M, I STILL WANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, WHAT I HEARD FROM MOST PEOPLE, AND HOPEFULLY I AM ROUGHLY CORRECT, IS JUST PURELY AS AN ART PIECE. 
          EVERYONE FELT LIKE, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT NUMBER ONE WAS THE BETTER PIECE, WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE THERE, AT LEAST THAT OF THE PIECES OVERALL. 
          AND THEN I THINK I'M HEARING AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE THAT MIGHT WANNA MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SPACE. 
          IS THAT, IS THERE MORE THAN I I THE TWO OF Y'ALL AT THE END PERHAPS? OR WERE YOU WANTING TO POTENTIALLY MOVE IT AS WELL? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD, I WOULD BE OKAY. 
          I WOULD BE OPEN TO MOVING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE ADDITIONAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS A CONCERN. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SIGNING UP FOR IS THE RIGHT, THE MOVE COMES, WHAT THE COST, WE KNOW WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY. 
          WE DO, WE DO NOT HAVE A COST AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $10,000 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          MAGNITUDE WISE, IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO A HUNDRED THAN IT IS 10, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS A HUNDRED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND DOES THIS PIECE OF ART TAKE UP THE FULL ART BUDGET? THIS WOULD BE ADDITIONAL MONIES WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY IN THE PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THERE IS CONTINGENCY WE COULD USE FOR IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE COULD, YEAH, WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE A CITY HALL GOTCHA. 
          PROJECT CONTINGENCY THAT IF YOU DIRECTED US TO, WE COULD USE FOR THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YEAH. 
          LET ME, CAN I, CAN I, FOR CLARIFICATION, SINCE THE MIC'S ON HERE, SO D WAS NOT TO, TO, TO DELAY THE DECISION, D WAS A OPTION THAT WE WANTED TO OFFER, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE COUNCIL FOUR TO THREE, THREE TO FOUR, WHATEVER NUMBER SHOULD FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OF, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S NOT A COMFORT LEVEL AND A MAJORITY OF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, THEN WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRY TO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BACK YOU INTO A CORNER. 
          I MEAN, OUR, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN, IN INCRE IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR PIECE, AND IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF A, A, A REALLY SPECIAL BUILDING TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE, SO D WAS NOT ABOUT DELAYING THIS CONSIDERATION. 
          IN OUR OPINION, D WAS ABOUT GIVING YOU THE CHANCE TO RESET, UH, ULTIMATELY THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          IF THIS PIECE , YOU KNOW, WAS, WAS THE PIECE YOU CHOSE, GREAT. 
          BUT WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN OPTION TO RETHINK IT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO. 
          BUT IT DEFINITELY WASN'T ABOUT DELAYING THIS DECISION. 
          COUNSEL, UH, MAYOR PRO, TIM HUTCHEN RIDER, UM, GOING BACK FOR JUST A MOMENT, I, UH, THE REASON THAT I, THAT I BROUGHT UP THE, UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE MUSIC KIOSK IS BECAUSE I KNOW, I MEAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, YOU'RE NOT WRONG THAT, I MEAN, CITY STAFF CAN GO OUT AND DO A LOT. 
          I JUST HAVE THE CONCERN AS WE CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD AND WE HAVE, WE'RE SEEING WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE'S DOING TO US AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          CUTTING. 
          CUTTING, CUTTING, CUTTING. 
          AND I, I JUST, I, I JUST, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I CAN BE FINE WITH THE, THE CAROUSEL, BUT CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE EXPANDED VIEW FOR A MOMENT? SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS I, I HATE TO EVERY TIME THAT THE BAND OR THE SYMPHONY OR SOME OTHER EVENT WANTS TO HAPPEN THAT WE'VE GOTTA ENGAGE A WHOLE LOT OF CITY STAFF TO CREATE A SPACE FOR THEM. 
          SO I MEAN, IS THAT TO USE COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN'S TERM? THE EYELASH? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? EYEBROW AN EYEBROW. 
          EYEBROW. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          IS THAT ENOUGH SPACE? I MEAN, I JUST, I HATE TO THINK THAT EVERY TIME THE BAND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING OR THE SYMPHONY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, OR THERE'S SOME OTHER EVENT THAT WE'VE GOTTA GO OUT AND BUILD A PLATFORM AND BUILD AND SET STUFF UP, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          BECAUSE I JUST, I JUST WORRY AS WE GO FORWARD THAT OUR BUDGETS ARE GONNA KEEP GETTING CUT BY THE STATE. 
          AND WE, WE GOTTA KEEP THAT IN SOMEWHERE IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND. 
          AND SO IF, IF WE GO WITH, IF WE GO WITH THIS, IF IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A VIEW THAT WOULD ALMOST BE WHAT, UH, WHATEVER THAT IS, A HUNDRED, OH, THERE WE GO. 
          180 DEGREES. 
          SO IS THERE, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY BEFORE WE GET TO THE, TO THE WATER FEATURE TO WHERE THE BAND AND THE SYMPHONY CAN SET UP? IS THERE ENOUGH? IS THERE ENOUGH CONCRETE THERE? 'CAUSE I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO EVERY TIME SAY, WELL, WE CAN JUST ASK CITY STAFF TO SET SOMETHING UP, BECAUSE I JUST WORRY ABOUT IT FROM A LONG-TERM IMPLICATION, COST PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO, SO THAT IS INTENDED TO BE A GRASSY AREA, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF THE CHAMBER, UH, JUST TO THE WEST OF THE CHAMBER. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAN THEY HAVE TODAY. 
          RECALL TODAY, THE COMMUNITY BAND SETS UP ON, UH, CONCRETE SLASH UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE STAGE WAS SET FOR SANTA'S VILLAGE. 
          AND AGAIN, REMEMBER, UM, ALL IF NOT THE VAST MAJORITY OF CONCERTS I'VE EVER BEEN TO, THEY SET UP ON THE GROUND. 
          AND SO IT'S A, THERE WAS NEVER A PLATFORM. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE, BUT IN THE PAST, WE, WE HAVEN'T SET UP PLATFORMS EXCEPT FOR SANTA'S VILLAGE. 
          NO, BUT WE, THEY WERE ALWAYS ON CONCRETE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THAT, THAT'S MY POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT YOU'D BE PROPOSING HERE IS, IS IT THIS WILL 
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BE GRASS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, YEP. 
          AS GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, NO, SIR. 
          UH, SO YEAH, SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THE WHOLE SYMMETRY. 
          WE WERE JUST, WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER TODAY. 
          SO IN THIS SCENARIO YEAH. 
          WHICH IS FINE. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW MIKAYLA, WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, THE FOCUS IS RIGHTLY SO IN THE COMMUNITY VAN, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SIX DAYS OUT OF YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, 300. 
          NO, I KNOW, BUT WE, WE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO ACTIVATE THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO I'M JUST, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK FAR REACHING, SO WE DON'T COME BACK AND, AND, AND I LIKE THE SYMMETRY. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT JUST, I'M NOT DISCOUNTING ANY OF THAT. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, IS THERE A SPOT TO WHERE EVERY TIME WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY IF IT'S, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE BAND THAT WANTS TO PLAY OR THE SYMPHONY THAT WANTS TO PLAY, AND I REALIZE IT'S SIX TIMES, AND IF THE SYMPHONY WANTED TO COME OUT SIX TIMES AND SURE. 
          WHATEVER ELSE WE HAD, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE, AS WE'RE PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, HERE'S A SPOT, RIGHT? THAT'S DONE WHERE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK PARKS DEPARTMENT EVERY SINGLE TIME TO COME OUT AND SET SOMETHING UP, SET IT UP, TEAR IT DOWN, THAT THAT DOESN'T EXIST HERE. 
          THAT DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL. 
          NOT WITH, NOT WITH THIS SITE PLAN. 
          EVEN THAT EYEBROW THE EYEBROW, EVEN THE EYEBROW DOESN'T EYEBROW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          IS THAT LAR I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WHAT, I MEAN, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE I'M ANSWERING THE RIGHT QUESTION. 
          YOU COULD SET UP AND ACTIVATE ANY PART OF THIS, BUT THERE'S NO PART OF THIS THAT IS GONNA PROVIDE, UH, ME PRO TIM, WHICH YOU JUST DESCRIBED, WHICH IS A TURNKEY, YOU KNOW, UM, PLACE FOR SOMEONE TO PERFORM. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT, EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE EVALUATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO DECIDE WHAT THE NEEDS WERE, INCLUDING AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR, THE COMMUNITY BAN. 
          BECAUSE IF IT WAS DURING THE SPRING AND THE FALL, AND THAT AREA WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD RAIN PREVIOUSLY, OR IF IT WAS A RAINY TIME OF THE YEAR, I MEAN, THAT COULD CHANGE EVEN THEIR ABILITY TO SET UP THERE. 
          SO, I MEAN, WITH, WITH, AGAIN, THIS, THIS SITE WASN'T NECESSARILY BEING DRIVEN BY, UH, BY, BY THAT AS, AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE. 
          UM, BUT THE SITE IS, I THINK, A VERY VERSATILE SITE. 
          IT'S A FLEXIBLE SITE. 
          UM, AND, UM, I THINK, I THINK WITH A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY FLEXIBLE OPEN SPACES, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU TAKE IT IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, WITH THE GREEN, WHICH IS JUST TO THE SOUTH, THE OPEN AREA, WE CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE PLACE ON HERE WHERE, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, DIFFERENT GROUPS COULD COME AND PERFORM AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE, UM, KIND OF TURNKEY FOR 'EM. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DO, YES. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND MAYOR PRO, I, I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO. 
          AND I, I KNOW THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUT OUTDOOR PERFORMANCES AND, AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA NEED TO BE SET UP. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DID USE THE CONCRETE PLATFORM, UH, UNDER THE LIBRARY AREA, WHICH IN THIS CASE, IF WE, EVEN IF WE WERE TO USE THE SPACE UNDERNEATH THE CAROUSEL OR OPTION TWO, THE RAIN, IF THERE WAS ANY WEATHER CONDITIONS, THE RAIN WILL STILL GO THROUGH THE PERFORATED MATERIAL. 
          SO THEREFORE, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THERE WAS REALLY ENOUGH ROOM TO EVEN PUT THE BAND, BUT THEORETICALLY YOU COULD PUT THE BAND RIGHT THERE ON THAT CONCRETE IN THE FRONT. 
          'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE THE BAND A LITTLE WIDER, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY, AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, CHAIRS THINGS SET UP IN THE GRASS IF YOU WANTED, OR GO BACK TO THE EYEBROW. 
          AND JUST, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY SETUP. 
          THE BAND COULD STAY THERE ON THE, THE EYEBROW PLATFORM AND CHAIRS AND THINGS COULD BE SET UP ON RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE WATERFALL SO PEOPLE COULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN AREA TO, TO VIEW THE BANDS OR WHATEVER OUTDOOR PERFORMANCES WE HAVE. 
          SO I THINK IT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE A LOT OF SET UP. 
          YES, WE'D HAVE SET UP THE ELECTRICAL, THE SOUND EQUIPMENT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE NO MATTER WHERE WE PUT IT. 
          UH, BUT I, I JUST WANNA BRING THAT POINT. 
          ONE, THERE'S NOT A WEATHER ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S PERFORATED MATERIAL. 
          AND TWO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO AREAS IN THAT PLAZA THAT WE COULD PUT AN OUTDOOR EVENT, UH, A BAND OR, OR, OR ANY TYPE OF, UH, EVENT. 
          AND, AND, AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR, I, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT OVERHEAD, I WAS TALKING ABOUT GROUND. 
          THE GROUND IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          I WASN'T, I WASN'T THINKING EITHER OF THESE WOULD BE A, SOME TYPE OF WATER, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          COVERING FOR A BAND OR FOR ANY OTHER EVENT THAT JUST FROM CLARIFICATION. 
          AND I, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. 
          AND, AND TWO, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN ENOUGH FOR HIM TO EVEN PUT 'EM UNDER THERE ANYWAY. 
          THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO PUT THE, WE, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE IN THE EYEBROW, THERE'S DEFINITELY NOT ENOUGH SPACE UNDERNEATH THERE. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          AND THE EYEBROW DOES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA SPACE. 
          IT IS. 
          COUNCILMAN BARR, MAYOR. 
          I THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I LOVE ALL THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE ARTS AND RICHARDSON AND THE BAND. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE CURRENTLY UTILIZING A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          I KNOW EMANS BEEN USED, UH, FIRST UNITED METHODIST, RICHARDSON, AND H THE, THE, UH, PAVILION AT HUFFINES PARK IS WHERE I'VE SEEN THEM A FEW TIMES, UM, OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          UM, I 
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MUST SAY, I, I'M, I'M FEELING A LITTLE, UH, I GUESS IRRITATION OR FRUSTRATION, I'M NOT SURE WHICH IS THE RIGHT WORD THERE. 
          THE, IF WE MOVE WITH THE PLAN AND MOVE THIS LOCATION, THAT CHANGES THE SPIRIT OF THIS, I THINK IT CHANGES THE SPIRIT OF WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY IN THE GREEN SPACE. 
          AND WE'RE BASICALLY REDESIGNING NOT JUST THIS SPACE, BUT THE GREEN SPACE TO, ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS. 
          AND IT FEELS LIKE A LOT AT THIS POINT, I FEEL LIKE THIS, AND PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS MORE THAN, WE'VE HAD MORE DISCUSSION AROUND THIS THAN WE DID THE ACTUAL CITY HALL, UM, WHEN IT CAME TO DEBATING AND, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK AND FORTH ON IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE FUNNY THING ABOUT ART. 
          SOME OF US WILL LIKE IT, SOME OF US WILL NOT. 
          BUT MAYOR, AS YOU POINT OUT, THERE WAS A SUCTION PROCESS. 
          WE HAD SOME CONCERNS. 
          WE, IT, THEY CAME BACK TO US. 
          I MISS WHEN THE ARTIST WAS HERE. 
          BUT, UM, IT, IT, THERE WAS DEFINITELY A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THIS. 
          SO I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THAT. 
          WE'RE STUCK ON TALKING ABOUT MOVING IT, WHICH REDESIGNS THIS SPACE. 
          IT REDESIGNS THE GREEN SPACE. 
          I, I PERSONALLY THINK THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE, HEY, IF, IF THIS, ARE WE GOING TO NIX IT? AND JUST TOTALLY. 
          YOU KNOW, OR ARE WE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE DISCUSSION AROUND IT'S BEEN, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DISCUSSED IT MORE THAN WE DID THE ACTUAL CITY HALL. 
          YEP. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN EXAGGERATION, BUT YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. 
          . 
          UM, YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK FOR ME, THE PROBLEM IS THE SCALE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PUT THERE AS AN IDEA OF WHAT I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THIS, IT'S SMALL AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WAS NOT GONNA TAKE UP AN ENORMOUS PART OF THE PLAZA. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          WE GOT COMMENTS TONIGHT FROM TWO DIFFERENT RESIDENTS THAT WILL A FORMER, UH, CITY EMPLOYEE WHO NOW LIVES IN ALLEN, UM, AND, AND A RESIDENT. 
          AND THEY WERE ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THIS. 
          SO I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, MY POSITION IS WHAT IT IS. 
          I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THIS PIECE OF ART SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR HAVE A DIFFERENT PIECE OF ART IN, IN THE LOCATION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, UM, SELECTED FOR, FOR ART, FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SO, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID IN MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS, I'M OKAY BEING THE ONLY ONE ON, ON THIS SIDE OF THINGS, BUT, UM, IT IS, IT IS PERMANENT AND IT IS LARGE. 
          I WANNA REITERATE OUR, ASIDE FROM THE COMMITTEE, THAT CAME TO A CONSENSUS, NOT JUST ON THE ARTIST, BUT ON THE SPACE. 
          AND ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT WE HAD A NUMBER OF PROFESSIONALS THAT WERE REALLY, YOU KNOW, PICKED, WELL, I, I WASN'T A PART OF THE PICKING, BUT PICKED WELL, IN TERMS OF WHO WE WERE GETTING OPINIONS FROM, THE FACT THAT THEY LANDED ON THIS AS EXPERTS. 
          UM, AND I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY I GOT UNANIMOUS FEEDBACK AND I SPOKE TO FOUR DIFFERENT ARTS, UH, UH, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          AND EVERY ONE OF THEM SAID BASICALLY THAT THIS WAS THE PIECE. 
          SO I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IF, IF WE'RE GONNA, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, START ERASING AND, AND ADJUSTING EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION OR OTHERS OF EXPERT LEVEL ARE, ARE GIVING US. 
          BUT COUNCIL MEMBER SHAM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          DISCUSSION IS ALWAYS GREAT IDEA. 
          SURE. 
          NO MATTER WHAT, ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF THERE IS NO POINT TO BE FRUSTRATED, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY OTHER FEELINGS. 
          THIS IS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, SOMETHING WOULD BE THERE FOR MANY YEARS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DID NOT DISCUSS ON CERTAIN THINGS LONG ENOUGH, I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, BUT WE SHOULD NOT GET REALLY FRUSTRATED. 
          THIS IS NOT THE PLACE WHERE YOU GET FRUSTRATED, NOTHING PERSONAL. 
          UH, I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE EXPERT OPINION, BUT, UH, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT WAS THERE, THAT TWO BUILDING WOULD BE CON TALKING TO EACH OTHER, AND THAT'S GONNA BE GONE. 
          BUT ALSO THE SAME TIME, IF WE MOVE THIS THING AWAY FROM THIS LOCATION TO ANOTHER LOCATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDESIGNING THE WHOLE THING THERE. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST 10,000. 
          IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND BECAUSE, NOT BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ARTWORK THERE IS GONNA BE LIKE SETTING UP THE WHOLE LAWN THERE. 
          BUT WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTIVATE THAT AREA, TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING SOME OTHER BUSINESSES DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA. 
          MAYBE SOME OTHER SHOP WILL COME, THEN IT'LL, IT'LL CHANGE THE WHOLE LANDSCAPE IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO DISCUSSED IN THE PAST THAT IF WE BRING THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, WE WANT HAVE BUSINESS IN THAT AREA. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE A SMALL CITY, WE WANT TO DO LOTS OF THINGS THERE, OR AT LEAST I WANNA DO LOTS OF THINGS. 
          UH, BUT WITH THIS PRESENT CON CONDITION, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, MY, MY, MY CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS ARTWORK, ARTWORK IS GREAT. 
          IT IS GOING TO BRING PEOPLE, UM, JUST TO TAKE A PICTURES BECAUSE OF THE, 
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THE LOOK OF IT, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE BIG EVENT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THE SPACE IS LIMITED. 
          UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY TEMPORARY PERGOLA EITHER, BECAUSE THAT WILL BLOCK THE VIEW. 
          IT'LL CHANGE THE SAME REGION THAT CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE. 
          LOOK. 
          SO PICTURE WOULD BE DIFFERENT. 
          UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS VERY TOUGH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE, WE HAVE THE, THE ART COMMISSION, I THINK, I MEAN THE, THE COMMITTEE THAT THEY COME UP WITH THIS CONCEPT IDEA AND ALL THIS, I THINK THEY'RE THE EXPERT DEFINITELY. 
          AND HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS THING MUCH MORE. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS VERY CHALLENGING REALLY FOR ME. 
          I MEAN, I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, GO AND DISCUSS WHATEVER WE NEED TO. 
          SURE. 
          MAYOR, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANNA SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT RELYING ON THE EXPERTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BUT EVERY MEETING WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE THE CPC VOTE SEVEN TO NOTHING ON SOMETHING, AND WE GO AGAINST IT TONIGHT. 
          AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, SIGN CONTROL BOARD VOTED, I THINK IT WAS FIVE TO NOTHING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT. 
          AND WE'VE CALLED IT FORWARD BECAUSE WE WEREN'T IN AGREEMENT. 
          SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HELD THE RIGHT TO SAY WHENEVER. 
          AND AND I WILL ALSO SAY WE DIDN'T, THE COUNCIL DIDN'T PICK THIS GROUP. 
          I THINK IT WAS CITY STAFF THAT PICKED THE GROUP TO, TO DO THIS ARTWORK REVIEW. 
          WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DO IT AS A CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO, AGAIN, I'M, AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOME POINTS HERE THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S WRONG. 
          AND, AND COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, I'M, I'M SORRY YOU'RE GETTING FRUSTRATED, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE TALK MY WORD AD NAUSEUM ABOUT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH FEEDBACK ABOUT THE ARTWORK THAT WE HAVE ALL AROUND THE CITY. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE THE, THE ARTWORK THAT'S THERE AT 75 AND MOJO. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK. 
          MACRO MAC, MOJO MACRO. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE FRENCH FRY ARTWORK THAT WE HAVE AT, WHAT IS IT, CUSTER AND GEORGE BUSH. 
          I MEAN, SO I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT ARTWORK OVER THE YEARS, OUT OF EVERYBODY. 
          SO I, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED TO FEEL RELATIVELY GOOD ABOUT, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA ASK US QUESTIONS. 
          BUT, SO AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE. 
          I JUST WANT DON'T FEEL THAT SIMPLY SAY THAT, THAT WE, WE DISAGREE A LOT OF TIMES WITH, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME TO US ON A WEEK BY WEEK BASIS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. 
          SURE. 
          AND AGAIN, TO, TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING, I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY I WOULD SUPPORT OPTION A AND, AND MOVE FORWARD IN THAT REALM. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD, SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE, WHERE I'M SITTING. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY I SUPPORT OPTION A AND, AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          COOL. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT? UH, WE WON'T MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE'LL JUST ALL NOD OUR HEADS, UH, IN GENERAL, OR WE'LL GET TO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE THRESHOLD'S FIVE, THAT WOULD MAKE US ALL MORE COMFORTABLE. 
          WELL, BUT, UH, WE'VE GOT ONE FOR A, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH A, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE IM OKAY WITH A, I'M STILL SUPPORTING A, YEAH, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS WAS COOL WITH A, IS THAT RIGHT? COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          YOU WERE GENERALLY COOL WITH A, SO WE'VE GOT FOUR, OR IS ANYONE LIKE, EVEN, OR IS IS A, AN ABSOLUTE NO FOR THE OTHER THREE. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          I'M, I'M GETTING, I'M GETTING TWO YESES. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          OH, NO. 
          OKAY, SO WE GOT SIX. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON THEN, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALL OF THAT. 
          OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND A GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          THANKS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I AGREE. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE 
          [7. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE NEW RICHARDSON CITY HALL AND PUBLIC LIBRARY RENOVATION PROJECTS ]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE NEW RICHARDSON CITY HALL AND PUBLIC LIBRARY RENOVATION PROJECTS. 
          YES, MR. MAGNER. 
          THANKS. 
          UH, MAYOR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          CHARLES GOFF IS GOING TO, UH, LEAD, UH, THE BRIEFING ON THIS ITEM. 
          UH, VERY EXCITING. 
          IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OVER YOUR 75, UH, SOUTHBOUND AND LOOKED TO YOUR WEST, YOU SEE A GREAT DEAL OF PROGRESS ON BOTH PROJECTS, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THAT IN ADDITION TO GIVING YOU AN UPDATE TONIGHT, UH, CHARLES IS GONNA COVER, UH, AN ITEM THAT YOU'LL FIND LATER ON YOUR, ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          IT'S, UH, A, UH, A CHANGE ORDER THAT WE WANT TO, UH, PUT FOR, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. 
          UH, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, UH, PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A TIMELINE AND, UH, SOME MILESTONES THAT WE THINK WILL BE COMING UP ON BOTH PROJECTS. 
          SO, CHARLES, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR FURTHER BRIEF. 
          UH, THANKS, MR. MAGNER. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, JUMPING RIGHT IN HERE. 
          UH, JUST SOME QUICK PROJECT BACKGROUNDS TO, TO REMIND YOU, UH, ABOUT EACH PROJECT. 
          THE, THE LIBRARY RENOVATION PROJECT, UM, WAS AWARDED BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2024. 
          UH, THE CONTRACTOR WE SELECTED FOR THAT WAS BALFOUR BEATTY. 
          UH, AND THEIR CONTRACT WAS IN THE AMOUNT OF ABOUT $31 MILLION, UH, WHICH WAS PART OF A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET OF ABOUT $48 MILLION. 
          AND THAT WAS FUNDED THROUGH, UH, A COMBINATION OF, UH, THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM, AND THEN SOME, UH, CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT WERE, 
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UH, SUBSEQUENTLY ISSUED. 
          UH, NEW CITY HALL STARTED ABOUT A YEAR LATER, UH, BEING AWARDED IN JANUARY OF, OF 25 OF EARLY THIS YEAR. 
          UH, THE CONTRACTOR THERE WAS MACALLAN GORDON, UH, AND THAT HAD A BUDGET OF, UM, OR A, A CONTRACT AMOUNT OF 65 MILLION, UH, PART OF A TOTAL BUDGET OF 91 MILLION. 
          AND THAT WAS, UH, FUNDED, UH, THROUGH 2021 BOND PROGRAM FUNDS AND INSURANCE PROCEEDS, AND THEN ALSO THE CITY HALL BOND PROGRAM THAT WAS, UH, CONDUCTED IN 2023. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THIS CONCEPT PLAN A COUPLE TIMES, INCLUDING TONIGHT. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          AND, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE EXCITING REVEAL, UH, TO SEE THAT PROGRESS IS BEING MADE ON, ON THE SITE. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE NEW PAVING HAS GONE DOWN, UH, ON THE EAST WEST DRIVE, AND INCLUDING LITTLE TURNAROUND AREA IN THE, IN THE BACK OF HOUSE AREA ON THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, OF THE SITE. 
          UH, AND, UM, THE, UH, MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THE SLAB OF, OF CITY HALL AND, AND HIGHLIGHTED IN, IN THAT YELLOW KINDA, UH, OVAL SHAPE. 
          UH, UP THERE IS THE OUTLINE, UH, WHERE THEY'RE POURING THE GRADE BEAMS OF, UH, THE NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          SO JUST TO KIND OF ORIENT YOU, UH, ABOUT THE BUILDING, BUT, BUT GOOD PROGRESS, UH, ON THE SITE. 
          THE, UH, LIBRARY, UH, IN, IN PARTICULAR, UM, IS ABOUT 50%, UH, COMPLETE. 
          UM, THE, UH, INTERIOR, UH, DEMOLITION IS, IS COMPLETE. 
          AND, UH, AS OF, UM, UH, LAST WEEK REALLY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE INSTALLED A LOT OF THE GLAZING ON LEVELS ONE AND TWO. 
          UH, THE THIRD LEVEL GLAZING THAT'S REMAINING, THAT'S THE KIND OF FRITTED GLASS CURTAIN WALL THAT WE'VE SHOWN IN A LOT OF THE PICTURES THAT'LL BE COMING, UH, LATER THIS FALL. 
          UH, THE NEW EXTERIOR STAIRWELL, UH, HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          UM, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE IN THE PICTURE, BUT YOU CAN PROBABLY ZOOM IN ON YOUR OWN SCREENS. 
          UH, RIGHT HERE HAS BEEN COMPLETED FROM THE BASEMENT UP TO, UH, GROUND LEVEL. 
          UH, AND THAT'LL START GOING VERTICAL HERE OVER THE NEXT, UH, NEXT MONTH OR SO. 
          UM, SIMILARLY, THE, THE ENTRANCE WE'VE RELOCATED, UH, FROM THE WESTERN FACADE OVER TO THE EASTERN CORNER, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF THE SLAB THAT'S, UH, KIND OF PEEKING OUT FROM THE SHADOW, UH, THERE. 
          THAT'LL ALSO, UH, BE, UH, WORKED ON MORE THIS FALL. 
          UH, HVAC WORK, UH, IS, IS ONGOING. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UH, IN THE ROOF PICTURE THERE, THERE'S SOME, UH, RED BEAMS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. 
          UH, THE CRANE ACTUALLY ARRIVES, UH, TOMORROW. 
          AND THE HVAC UNITS WHERE WE LIFTED ONTO THE ROOF, UH, HOPEFULLY LATER THIS, THIS WEEK. 
          UH, AND THEN IN THE INTERIOR OF, OF THIS, THE, UM, BUILDING, WHICH I'LL HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, THE INFILL AREAS ARE NEARLY COMPLETE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD LEVELS. 
          THIS WAS DONE TO ADD ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, TO THIS SPACE. 
          UH, AND, UM, THE, LIKE I SAID, IT IS ONGOING. 
          UH, AND THEN INTERIOR WALLS ARE ALSO BEING ERECTED AT THIS TIME. 
          SO, UH, HERE'S SOME PROGRESS PHOTOS. 
          UH, AGAIN, THE, THE FIRST TWO THERE ARE GLAZING A, A PICTURE FROM THE OUTSIDE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE NEW GLAZING ON THE FIRST, UH, SECOND AND A LITTLE BIT ON THE THIRD FLOOR. 
          UH, THOSE YELLOW PANELS ARE WHERE THE, THE CURTAIN WALL WILL BE COMING LATER THIS FALL. 
          AND THEN THE, THE PICTURE BELOW THAT IS, IS A VIEW FROM THE INSIDE, JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE SLIGHT BLUE TINT THAT THE WINDOWS WILL HAVE, UH, ONCE THEY'RE INSTALLED. 
          THIS, THIS LAST PANEL OVER HERE IS, DOESN'T HAVE A WINDOW YET, SO THAT JUST KINDA GIVES YOU THE CONTRAST OF, OF WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE. 
          AND THOSE, UH, THAT GLASS IS, IS, UH, SELECTED TO MATCH THE CITY HALL GLASS. 
          SO THERE'LL BE SOME CONTINUITY THERE. 
          UM, THE MIDDLE PICTURE THERE IS THE BASEMENT MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE WALLS GOING UP THERE. 
          AND SOME OF THE ABOVE CEILING WORK GOING ON. 
          UH, KIND OF THE WHIMSICAL, UH, STORY TIME ROOM, UH, THAT HAS SOME CIRCLES THAT'LL, UH, BE A NICE FEATURE FOR THAT ROOM. 
          AND THEN THOSE LAST TWO PICTURES, THERE ARE THE, THE THIRD LEVEL INFILL AND THE SECOND FLOOR INFILL. 
          SO IN THE OLD LIBRARY, IF YOU WERE STANDING UP ON THE THIRD FLOOR, YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, KINDA LOOKING OVER THAT BALCONY THAT'S BEEN FILLED IN. 
          AND THAT'S, UM, UH, THERE, AND THE CONCRETE'S BEEN COMPLETED, AND ON LEVEL TWO, UM, THE STRUCTURE'S BEEN COMPLETED, AND THEY SHOULD BE POURING THE CONCRETE, UH, ON THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. 
          SO, WHILE THERE HAS BEEN, UH, GOOD PROGRESS, IT, IT HASN'T BEEN WITHOUT, ITS, ITS CHALLENGES. 
          UM, SOME OF THIS WAS EXPECTED AS WITH ANY, UH, REMODEL WORK THAT'S DONE ON AN OLDER BUILDING. 
          BUT, BUT THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR, UH, WAS EXACERBATED BY, UH, BOTH THE AGE AND THE STYLE OF LIBRARY, IF YOU THINK IT'S A, IT'S A VERY CONCRETE HEAVY STRUCTURE, AND CONCRETE ISN'T VERY FORGIVING, UH, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE PARTICULARLY STRUCTURAL CHANGES, UH, TO IT. 
          AND SO, UM, WHILE, UH, THIS WAS, UH, TO SAY THIS WAS FURTHER KIND OF EXACERBATED WHILE WE, WHERE WE TRIED TO ANTICIPATE WHAT WE CAN, UH, WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE, IT WAS STILL VERY ACTIVE AS AN OPEN LIBRARY. 
          SO THAT LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF KIND OF DESTRUCTIVE EXPLORATION THAT THE DESIGN TEAM COULD DO. 
          GETTING BEHIND WALLS, SEEING WHAT WAS BACK THERE, GETTING ABOVE ALL THE ABOVE CEILING AREAS, TAKING OUT DUCTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SEEING WHAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH. 
          UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF HAD TO FIGURE SOME OF THIS OUT AS WE GO. 
          UH, ONCE WE GOT IN THERE, CLOSED THE BUILDING AND COMPLETED DEMOLITION, UH, WE RAN INTO, UH, A NUMBER OF ISSUES, BUT, BUT SOME BIG ONES, UH, WE FOUND SOME ASBESTOS THAT REQUIRED SOME EXTRA TIME, UH, TO, TO MEDIATE. 
          UM, THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE, UH, WE FOUND WAS, UH, WE, WE ALWAYS INTENDED TO INSTALL A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          THE INTENT WAS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS TOP PICTURE, UH, HERE, THERE ARE THESE, UH, 
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UM, HOLES IN, IN, IN THE BEAMS, UH, ABOVE CEILING THAT WE WERE INTENDED TO RUN ALL OF THE HVAC DUCTS THROUGH, AS WELL AS THE NEW, UH, FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM. 
          THOSE AREN'T CONSISTENT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, UH, ACROSS BEAMS. UM, AND THEN, UH, WHEN YOU GET INTO A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM DESIGN, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY BINS AND, AND BOWS YOU CAN TAKE TO, TO, UH, MAINTAIN THE PRESSURE THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          SO IT ENDED UP JUST NOT WORKING OUT, UH, HOW, UH, IT WAS INTENDED. 
          AND SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO, WE WERE THE FACE WITH A CHOICE OF BRING ALL OF THAT BELOW CEILING AND HAVE IT EXPOSED, WHICH WASN'T A VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OPTION, UH, OR, UM, KIND OF FINDING A NEW PATH FOR, FOR THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE, UH, ON THIS SCREEN, BUT YOU, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF IT. 
          WE HAD TO CORE NEW, UM, KIND OF TWO INCH DIAMETER HOLES THROUGH EVERY, UH, CONCRETE BEAM, UH, IN, IN THE LIBRARY ALMOST. 
          UH, AND TO DO THAT, WE FIRST HAD TO THEN SCAN ALL THOSE BEAMS TO FIND OUT WHERE THE REBAR WAS SO THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL, UH, MODIFICATIONS OR, OR HIT ANY STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, THAT WAS A, JUST A VERY LABOR INTENSIVE WORK TO TRY AND FIND THAT, AND KIND OF ROUTE A PATH THAT WOULD WORK, AND THEN ACTUALLY GO DO THE CORING. 
          UM, SO THAT'S BEEN A DRIVER OF BOTH COST AND, AND TIME. 
          UH, SIMILARLY WHEN WE'RE TYING IN THE NEW STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, THE INFILL AREAS, THE NEW, UH, THE NEW, UH, EXTERIOR STAIRCASE, UH, THE NEW CURTAIN WALL SYSTEM, UH, AND SOME OF THE, THE ROOF MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING, UH, IF I HAD TO DO SIMILAR, UH, SCANNING, UH, AND REFINEMENT OF THE DESIGN, UH, TO MISS THE REBAR WHERE WE'RE TYING THOSE ELEMENTS INTO THE EXISTING CONCRETE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER ISSUE WE RAN INTO WAS, UH, ON THE ABOVE CEILING CONDITIONS. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS BOTTOM PICTURE HERE, UM, THE, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE KIND OF A, A V-SHAPED, UM, UM, CEILING, UH, STRUCTURE, UM, THAT, UH, WILL HIDE ALL OF THE A, UM, ABOVE CEILING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, BUT HAVE A NICE KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TO IT. 
          WHEN WE STARTED TAKING THOSE OUT, WE REALIZED THAT THE, THE CONDITION OF THE, THE CONCRETE, UH, BEAMS ABOVE THE CEILING ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT THROUGHOUT THE SPACE. 
          SOME OF 'EM HAVE THE EXPOSED AGGREGATE, SOME OF 'EM ARE SMOOTH. 
          SOME OF 'EM YOU KIND OF SEE IN THAT PICTURE REALLY TOOK ON, UH, SOME OF THE PATTERN OF, OF THE, THE WOOD, UH, FRAMING, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THEY WERE FRAMED WITH. 
          AND SO TO MAKE THOSE CONSISTENT, UH, WE'RE GONNA SANDBLAST ALL OF THOSE, JUST SO THEY HAVE THE, A SIMILAR EXPOSED AGGREGATE, UH, APPEARANCE AND THEN SOME OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE NECESSARY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. 
          THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL WATERPROOFING THAT'S BEEN REQUIRED, UH, AROUND THE BASEMENT. 
          SO TO TRULY WATERPROOF THE BASEMENT, UM, ENCORE CAME IN, UH, FAIRLY LATE, UH, IN THE PROCESS AND DETERMINED THAT THE EXISTING TRANSFORMER COULDN'T SUPPORT, UH, THE BUILDING. 
          AND SO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO, TO ROUGH IN A NEW TRANSFORMER, UH, CHANGE IN GLAZING MATERIAL TO MATCH CITY HALL AS CITY HALL DESIGN PROGRESSED. 
          AND THEN SOME SECURITY UPGRADES, UH, WITH FURTHER COORDINATION WITH, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO, UM, BECAUSE OF THOSE, THERE'S, THERE HAS BEEN AN IMPACT TO, TO BOTH THE PROJECT BUDGET AND, AND THE SCHEDULE. 
          UM, ALL COMBINED, WE SPENT, UH, ABOUT $2 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THAT, THAT WERE NOT EXPECTED, WHICH EXCEEDED THE 1.3 MILLION IN CONTINGENCY THAT WE HAD FOR UNEXPECTED, UH, UM, UH, COSTS. 
          AND YEAH, AGAIN, THE BIG PORTION OF THAT IS THE FIRE SUPPRESSION KIND OF CORING ISSUE THAT WE RAN TO. 
          THAT'S ABOUT HALF A MILLION, UH, OF THAT COST ALONE. 
          UM, WHILE THE STRUCTURAL WORK IS, IS FAIRLY, UH, COMPLETE, UH, AND REALLY IT'S JUST MORE YOUR TYPICAL RENOVATION THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO AT THIS POINT. 
          WE DO THINK IT IS, UH, PRUDENT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY BACK INTO THE PROJECT TO GET US THROUGH, UH, TO THE END. 
          AND SO, AS MR. MAGNUM MENTIONED, UH, LATER ON, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS CHANGE ORDER ONE TO THE PROJECT, WHICH ADDS ABOUT $1.15 MILLION TO THE PROJECT THAT WOULD TRUE UP THE COSTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCURRED TO DATE. 
          AND THEN GIVE US ABOUT 420,000, UH, IN ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY TO, TO FINALIZE THE PROJECT. 
          UH, THE FUNDING FOR THIS WOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH, UH, THE BOND PROGRAM CONTINGENCY RESERVE THAT WE SET ASIDE IN FISCAL YEAR 23 FOR INSTANCES SUCH AS THIS. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, JUST NEXT STEPS, UH, UH, FOR, FOR ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY FINALIZING THE FURNITURE PACKAGE. 
          UH, THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FURNITURE PACKAGE THAT SOLVED THE NEW SHELVING, NEW CHAIRS, NEW DESKS, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE LIBRARY. 
          UH, WE ARE, UM, PUTTING THAT TOGETHER RIGHT NOW AND ANTICIPATE BRINGING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, NEXT MONTH. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT $3.8 MILLION, WHICH IS, UH, ON BUDGET, UH, FOR THAT ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN, UH, DUE TO THOSE, UH, CHALLENGES AND JUST THE, THE EXTRA TIME IT'S TAKING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, UH, UH, COORDINATION EFFORTS, UH, WE ARE ANTICIPATING OUT THE LIBRARY OPEN, UH, IN MID 2026. 
          AND THEN MOVING ON TO, UH, CITY HALL, UH, THIS IS AGAIN, ANOTHER PICTURE THERE OF, OF THE SLAB, UH, WORK, UH, THAT'S ONGOING. 
          THE SITE DEMOLITION HAS BEEN COMPLETE. 
          UH, WE'VE INSTALLED MOST OF THE SITE UTILITIES. 
          UM, YOU, YOU SAW IN THE AERIAL, THAT CONCRETE HAS BEEN INSTALLED ON THE DRIVE AISLES, UH, IN PARKING. 
          UH, THE UNDER SLAB UTIL HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          AND WE POURED ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE SLAB. 
          UH, THEY POURED THE, THE FLOOR OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, UH, TODAY ACTUALLY. 
          AND, AND WE'LL BE DOING THE REMAINDER OF THE SLAB, UH, THIS WEEK. 
          UM, 
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THEN, UH, THE NEW STAIR, WE'VE OFFICIALLY GONE VERTICAL ON THE PROJECT. 
          UH, THERE'S A, ONE OF THE STAIRCASES THAT'S, THAT'S BACK IN THIS AREA, AND THAT'S EXTENDED UP TO THE, WHAT'S EFFECTIVELY THE SECOND FLOOR NOW. 
          SO, UH, THEY CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. 
          STEEL STARTED ARRIVING TODAY, AND WE'LL START, UH, GOING UP NEXT MONTH. 
          UH, AND THEN, UM, THE, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS THE FLOOR PLANS. 
          THEY, THEY CONTINUE TO, UH, BE EVALUATED BASED ON JUST OUR LATEST THINKING ABOUT SPACE PLANNING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE WE THINK ABOUT, UH, WHAT OUR, OUR STAFFING NEEDS MAY BE IN THE FUTURE, AND OUR ARE REALLY BEING MINDFUL ABOUT SOME OF THE RETURN TO WORK TRENDS WE'RE SEEING AND, AND HOW THAT IMPACTS SOME OF OUR SPACE PLANNING EFFORTS, AS WELL AS MEETING SPACE NEEDS. 
          UH, WE'RE FINDING EVEN IN THIS BUILDING, UM, THAT WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF US GOT INTO KIND OF A TEAMS MEETING ROUTINE ONLINE, UH, DURING THE PANDEMIC. 
          A LOT OF THOSE ARE RETURNING TO IN-PERSON. 
          AND SO WE WE'RE CONTINUING TO ASSESS WHAT OUR, OUR MEETING SPACE NEEDS ARE IN NEW CITY HALL, WHILE BEING MINDFUL OF SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL, UH, LIMITATIONS THAT, THAT THE NEW BUILDING IMPOSES TO US WITH COLUMN PLACEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S STILL IN FLUX, AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE IN FLUX FOR, FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS UNTIL WE GET TO THAT, THAT PART OF, OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THE PROJECT IS STILL TRACKING ON BUDGET AND, UH, ON TIME WITH EARLY COMPLETION IN 2027. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, JUST MORE OF A SUGGESTION. 
          I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME, SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AT THIS, THE PROJECT, PARTICULARLY CITY HALL FROM AN AADA, A PERSPECTIVE, WE HAD A REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING REALLY GREAT TRAININGS AROUND AADA IS WE COME UP WITH THESE REALLY GREAT IDEAS. 
          SO WITH THE BPAC AND THE COMMUNITY INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION, UM, HAD AN, UH, A DA CONSULTANT COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND SO I WOULD JUST SORT OF CHALLENGE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, WE CAN HAVE THE PROJECT TEAM INCLUDE AN ACCESSIBILITY, UM, CONSULTANT ON THE PROJECT BEFORE IT'S DONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE PART OF WHAT THEY SUGGESTED FOR, JUST AS A, A MINOR EXAMPLE, IS CHANGING THE, THE TEXTURING OUTSIDE OF RESTROOMS, UM, TO MAKE THAT, THAT EASIER TO FIND FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SITE IMPAIRMENTS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT RESTROOMS ON EVERY FLOOR OF THE BUILDING ARE ON THE SAME SIDE, UM, SO THAT IT'S EASIER AGAIN, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO FIND YOUR WAY. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S SIMPLE, UH, TOUCHES LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE IMPACT FOR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO NEED, UM, UH, WOULD BENEFIT FROM THOSE, THOSE MODIFICATIONS. 
          UH, NOT SUGGESTING WE SCRAP THE PLAN TO START OVER, BUT REALLY HAVE SOMEONE CONSULT ON WHAT WE HAVE AND WAYS REALLY SMALL, INEXPENSIVE WAYS WE CAN MAKE A HUGE IMPACT FOR, FOR THOSE WHO MAY NEED THOSE, THOSE. 
          SO JUST, UM, WANNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS. 
          IF WE, WE DROVE BY THIS WEEKEND, WE'RE EXCITED THAT IT WENT FOR VERTICAL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU'RE ON OUR WAY TO BRUNCH ON SUNDAY, AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, THERE IT IS. 
          THE STAIRWELL IS, IS VERY, VERY EXCITING. 
          AND I'M SURE IT'S MORE EXCITING FOR YOU AND MR. MAGNER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, REALLY GREAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT STINKS THAT THE LIBRARY IS SLIPPING A LITTLE BIT, BUT I GET IT. 
          UM, AND IT HAPPENS. 
          UM, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT, UM, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RUSH THROUGH AND JUST, JUST GET IT DONE. 
          SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          UM, IT'S PART OF CONTINGENCY THESE THINGS HAPPEN, SO I JUST WANNA SAY GREAT JOBS, UM, AND MAKE THAT ONE SUGGESTION THAT, THAT WE THINK ABOUT, UM, ENGAGING AN ACCESSIBILITY CONSULTANT NOW ON THE CITY HALL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A MAKE IMPACT. 
          THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR CHARLES. 
          UM, I THINK LAST TIME THE, INITIALLY WE WERE THINKING LIKE THEY WERE FINISHING UP JANUARY 26TH AND MOVE IN. 
          BY THE TIME WE MOVED IN AND OPENED, IT'D BE PROBABLY CLOSER TO SPRING BREAK OF 26. 
          DID I JUST CATCH YOU SAY IT'S GONNA BE MID 26 NOW, SO WE MOVED BACK THREE MONTHS. 
          IS THAT WHAT THAT YES. 
          YES. 
          FULL THREE MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NEXT QUESTION AT THE END. 
          I THINK THE SLIDE RIGHT BEFORE THIS, UM, WHERE IS IT, YOU MENTIONED FLOOR PLANS CONTINUE TO BE VALUE BASED ON SPACE PLANNING NEEDS. 
          CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT, I REMEMBER WHEN THE PLANS WERE PRESENTED TO US, THEY WERE PRETTY DETAILED, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK AROUND SPACE AND HAVING A LOT OF SPACE SO STAFF COULD MEET IN SMALL TEAMS. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA HAVE A BIG CIVIC HALL. 
          WE WERE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF FLEX SPACE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO IS THAT BEING RETHOUGHT OR WHAT ARE, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING SMALL TWEAKS, NOT, NOT MAJOR, MAJOR DESIGN CHANGES. 
          UH, A LOT OF THOSE ARE ALL STILL VERY TRUE. 
          UH, JUST REEVALUATING THINGS ABOUT, UM, UH, DO WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF MEETING ROOMS? UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY APPROPRIATELY SIZED, UH, FOR THE SIZE OF, OF MEETINGS THAT WE NEED, UM, OUR, OUR OFFICE BASIS SIZE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT, DO WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT, NUMBER OF OFFICES? SO JUST, JUST SMALL THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          NOT, NOT TOTAL RETHINKING OF THE FLOOR PLAN BY ANY MEANS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S LIKE, HEY, ARE WE GONNA TAKE OFF, MAKE THIS ROOM TWO FEET SMALLER AND ADD IT TO THIS ROOM AND KIND OF MOVE? COULD WE MAYBE GET RID OF ONE ROOM AND ADD A COUPLE FEET TO CORRECT, CORRECT. 
          MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE LESS, BUT MAKE THE BOARDROOM A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT, ARE WE GONNA PUT STUFF IN THE MIDDLE? IT'S NOT FOUR PLANS, IT'S JUST NO, JUST, JUST SMALL TWEAKS ABOUT KIND OF ALL LOCATIONS. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT, CHARLES? MM-HMM. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHAUL. 
          THANK 
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YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          HEY, BOB. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          UH, COULD YOU GO TO YOUR SLIDE FOUR? OKAY. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          UH, UH, IF YOU GO TO SLIDE THREE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT. 
          SLIDE THREE AND THEN SLIDE FOUR. 
          GO BACK FOR NOW. 
          NOW THAT, CAN YOU, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ZOOM IN TO THE FOUNTAIN AREA? UH, IT, IT'S NOT, WHERE IS THE FOUNTAIN? HUH? THE FOUNTAIN? UH, THE FOUNTAIN IS THIS RIGHT HERE? MM-HMM . 
          THERE'S THE FOUNTAIN. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN, UH, WHERE IS, AND WHERE IS THE ARTWORK? CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE THREE? SURE. 
          SO THE ARTWORK, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RIGHT HERE, ARTWORK IS THE ONE DOWN THE SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, GO BACK TO, OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE HAVEN'T POURED, UH, ANY OF THE PAVEMENT AROUND THE ARTWORK YET. 
          A LOT OF THAT WAS DEPENDENT ON FOUNDATION REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT, IT WOULD BE IN APPROXIMATELY THIS AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU QUALITY DISTANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBER, DWAYNE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, UH, JUST WANNA ALSO, UH, TAG ON TO COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE COMMENT ON THE ADA A COMPLIANCY. 
          I, I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER ALL OF THAT AND, AND, AND, AND IN A AESTHETIC WAY AS NORMAL. 
          'CAUSE A DA HAS COME SUCH A LONG WAYS, AND I DO AGREE THAT IT CAN BE INTEGRATED AND ALSO LOOK VERY, VERY, UH, VERY NICE, UM, AND AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          SO I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES. 
          UM, BUT ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION TOO, NOW, GENERALLY TDLR, WHICH IS TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING REGULATION, THEY GENERALLY WILL LOOK AT THOSE, UH, ATTRIBUTES AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH AND ANALYZING SOME OF THE A DA COMPLIANCY. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS NOT ONLY ANALYZING WHAT'S NECESSARY, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT HOW, HOW THE AESTHETICS ARE INCORPORATED TO THE EXISTING DESIGN. 
          SO I WANNA SAY I JUST SUPPORT THAT, BUT ALSO USING TDLR. 
          SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS A CONSULTANT BROUGHT IN TO LOOK AT THOSE, THAT THERE'S A COLLABORATION THERE BETWEEN TDLR AND A CONSULTANT, IF THERE IS. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I I'VE NOTICED HERE TOO, UH, JUST A, A MAJOR COMPLIMENT IS YOU CAN EVEN SEE FROM THIS AERIAL SATELLITE JUST HOW MANY OF THE MATURE TREES Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO KEEP WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN ALL JUST APPRECIATE HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW MUCH CARE YOU PUT INTO THE CREWS PUT INTO KEEPING EVERYTHING INTACT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, YOU CAN REALLY APPRECIATE THAT FROM THIS PHOTO. 
          SO JUST A HUGE, A HUGE THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          MY ONLY, SO THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          I HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS AS COUNCILMAN, UM, BARRIOS ABOUT THE FLOOR PLANS AND REEVALUATING THOSE BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER JUST EVERY ROOM WAS DETAILED IT SEEMED LIKE, BUT I, BEING IN THIS SITUATION MYSELF, IN MY ACTUAL JOB, I CAN REALLY APPRECIATE THE NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF MEETING ROOMS. SO, UH, FROM THE LIBRARY STANDPOINT, I'M, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS, JUST AS SORT OF A RETROSPECTIVE WOULD, WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH KEEPING THE LIBRARY OPEN MADE IT CHALLENGING TO CATCH SOME OF THESE, UM, SORT OF MODIFICATION CONSTRUCTION ISSUES EARLY ON, I MEAN, WAS THERE REALLY ANYTHING WE COULD HAVE DONE BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO LOOK FOR A NEW LOCATION TO MOVE THE LIBRARY TO DURING THAT TIME ANYWAY, IF I RECALL AND ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO MOVE EVERYBODY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING WE WOULD'VE DONE DIFFERENT IN THE PAST TO, TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THAT? OR IS THAT JUST SORT OF A THING WE HAD TO DEAL WITH? YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, I THINK POTENTIALLY MOVING THE LIBRARY EARLIER MM-HMM . 
          WAS A GOOD IDEA. 
          THE, THE OTHER THING WE WERE DEALING WITH THAT KIND OF IMPACTED THE TIMELINE FOR MOVING THE LIBRARY WAS ALSO WE FOUND OURSELVES LOOKING FOR A NEW CITY HALL LOCATION TIME TOO, WHICH WAS UNEXPECTED. 
          SO, UH, THAT ACTUALLY DELAYED SOME OF THE DECISIONS ABOUT THE LIBRARY, UH, AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, BUT, BUT ABSENT KIND OF GETTING IN THERE EARLIER AND, AND AGAIN, DOING SOME OF THAT DESTRUCTIVE WORK TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE DEALING WITH, WITH THE BONES OF THIS BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK SOME OF THIS STUFF WE JUST HAD TO FIGURE IT OUT AS, AS WE FOUND IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR WHENEVER THIS COMES UP, 40 TO 50 YEARS FROM NOW ALL OVER AGAIN, I MEAN, HAS TECHNOLOGY IMPROVED TO THE POINT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO ACTUALLY HAVE MORE DETAILED RENDERINGS OF THINGS LIKE THIS? YES. 
          FOR THE NEXT TIME? OKAY. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE MUCH BETTER RECORD DRAWINGS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A COMPLETE LIDAR SCAN OF, OF THE, THE BASE OF THIS BUILDING. 
          UM, WE'LL HAVE, UH, A LOT MORE IMAGES OF WHAT'S IN THE WALLS. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR CITY HALL LITERALLY IS A WALKTHROUGH OF EVERY ROOM AS THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING IT. 
          SO YOU CAN KIND OF PULL BACK THE WALLS AND UNDERSTAND WHERE KIND OF CONDUITS ARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, TECHNOLOGY HAS PROGRESSED A LOT. 
          THAT'LL HELP US A LOT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, WHEN WE GO TO RENOVATE, UH, THESE BUILDINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'LL BE LONG, TIMELY, VALUABLE. 
          THANK 
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YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE ALL THE INFO. 
          YEAH, JOE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS WE WOULD STILL BE DOING THE SAME WORK, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE, THE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN WE IDENTIFIED IT AND WHEN WE FINALIZED THE SCOPE. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD STILL BE DOING THE EXACT SAME. 
          ALL OF THE BORING CHARLES DESCRIBED, IF WE KNEW ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS EARLIER, IT'S STILL GONNA BE REQUIRED. 
          IT'S GONNA COST ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT'S, TO YOUR POINT, MR. MAGNER, I MEAN YEAH, IT'D PROBABLY BE, IF WE WEREN'T APPROVING THE MONEY TONIGHT, WE'D HAVE JUST APPROVED IT A YEAR AGO. 
          I THINK YOUR INITIAL CONSTRUCTION COST WOULD'VE BEEN $560,000 HIGHER FOR THE BORING, RIGHT. 
          IT IT IT HAD TO BE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR TEMP , I, I'M IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, WE DO SO MUCH REMODELING ON 40, 50, 60-YEAR-OLD BUILDINGS. 
          I DON'T THINK 40, 50, 60 YEARS AGO THEY UNDERSTOOD THE TERM AS-BUILTS . 
          UM, WE NOW DO IN THE WORLD 2025. 
          UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, I ACTUALLY, I, I WOULD ACTUALLY CONGRATULATE YOU THAT REALLY ONLY 1.1 MILLION IN CONTINGENCY ON A BUILDING THAT OLD WITH AS MANY CHALLENGES AS YOU POINTED OUT TO US. 
          I ACTUALLY THINK IT WAS, 'CAUSE I WAS SITTING THERE THINKING, OH GOSH, HOW ARE YOU GONNA RUN YOUR FIRE SPRINKLER? AND TO, TO COME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU CAME UP WITH. 
          I, I, I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA. 
          SO I ACTUALLY WOULD TAKE IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST SAID, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY AS WELL, WAS, WOULDN'T WE HAVE JUST HAD TO SPEND THE MONEY ANYWAY. 
          SO Y'ALL COVERED THAT POINT THAT I WAS THINKING THROUGH AS WELL, BUT I ACTUALLY CONGRATULATE YOU ON, ON, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT BE AS SMALL AS IT IS ON THAT OLD OF A BUILDING WITH, WITHOUT, UM, AS-BUILTS AND ALL OF THE, THE, THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT WE HAVE OF TODAY. 
          SO, THANK Y'ALL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, SORRY, JUST ONE QUESTION. 
          WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE US ON CONTINGENCY FOR THE LIBRARY GOING FORWARD? IS THERE ANYTHING LEFT OR? WE WE'RE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE LINE ON IT. 
          SO WE, WE, WE SET ASIDE $5 MILLION IN CONTINGENCY FOR THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          UH, IN GENERAL, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE TAPPED THAT. 
          UM, AND SO FOR THE LIBRARY ONLY FOR, FOR THE LIBRARY ONLY, UH, WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT, UH, FINISHING THE, THE BOND PROGRAM, UH, AS A WHOLE MM-HMM . 
          UM, WITH, WITHOUT HAVING TO, TO TOUCH THAT CONTINGENCY IS STILL THERE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD SPOT. 
          THE OTHER THING IN, IN, YES,  IN, IN COORDINATION WITH OUR CONTRACTOR, BALFOUR BEATTY, UH, AND OUR DESIGN TEAM, WE THINK THE 420,000 THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THIS FOR ADDITIONAL UNEXPECTED THINGS IS, IS SUFFICIENT TO GET US THROUGH THE PROJECT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. 
          GOOD TO HEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          YEP. 
          THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT, WE WILL, UM, 
          [8. CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE CITY OF RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL STATEMENT OF GOALS. ]
MOVE ON TO OUR ACTION ITEMS. UM, ITEM EIGHT IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE CITY OF RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL STATEMENT OF GOALS. 
          MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU COUNSEL. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, THE BYPRODUCT OF THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, NOT ONLY IN YOUR WORKSHOP, BUT SUBSEQUENTLY WITH, UH, RICK ROBINSON, UH, AS HE CAME TO PRESENT, UH, YOUR STATEMENT OF GOALS. 
          THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE RULES, UH, ROLES OF THE COUNCIL, RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, YOUR VISION, UH, GOALS AND STRATEGIES. 
          UH, JUST AS A POINT OF NOTE FOR YOU AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, I'LL BE BRINGING BACK, UH, YOUR TACTICS, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE FINAL COMPONENT, IF YOU WILL, TO, TO YOUR GOALS DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, IN, UH, PROBABLY EARLY TO MID-SEPTEMBER. 
          AND, UH, THAT'LL, UH, BE WHAT WE UTILIZE TO KIND OF SET THE WORK PLAN FOR THIS, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THIS, UH, THIS COUNCIL TERM FOR YOU. 
          SO, UH, THIS SECTION TONIGHT WOULD BE TO RATIFY, UH, YOUR STATEMENT OF GOALS. 
          ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MOVED. 
          CONSIDER RESOLUTION. 
          YEP. 
          MAYOR PRO, TEMP HUTCHIN WRITER. 
          I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN, WRITER. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          WE'LL MOVE 
          [9. SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE #25-03 TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST BY VICTORY SHOPS FORA VARIANCE TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 18, ARTICLE Ill, SECTION 18-96(23)(C)(3)(I) TO ALLOW FOR TWO MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGNS ON A PROPERTY LESS THAN 10 ACRES AT THE PROPERTIES 1600 E BELT LINE RD AND 1700 E BELT LINE RD.; AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. ]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE 25 DASH OH THREE TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST BY VICTORY SHOPS FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR TWO MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGNS ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1600 EAST BELTLINE ROAD AND 1700 EAST BELTLINE ROAD. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR AND COUNSEL, UH, BACK ON AUGUST THE SIXTH, UH, YOUR SIGN CONTROL BOARD CONSIDERED SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE 25 0 3 AND VOTED FIVE OH, UH, TO RECOMMEND, UH, WHICH IS UNANIMOUS TO VOTE FIVE OH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          SUBSEQUENTLY, OUR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, RILEY THOMASON, BRIEFED YOU, YOU AT THAT TIME ASKED FOR THE CASE TO BE CALLED UP. 
          SO, RILEY IS GOING TO, UH, QUICKLY RECAP, UH, THE PRESENTATION THAT SHE PROVIDED THAT EVENING WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, POSSIBLE OUTCOMES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, TO ANSWER, UH, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND BE RESPONSIVE TO ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. 
          RILEY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU, COUNSEL. 
          GOOD TO BE BACK. 
          SO, JUST A RECAP OF SIGN CONTROL BOARD CASE 25 0 3, THE REQUEST SUMMARY HERE. 
          UM, THIS IS 
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A PROPERTY OWNED BY VICTORY SHOPS, UH, LOCATED AT 1600 AND 1700 EAST BELTLINE ROAD. 
          CURRENTLY, THERE IS A TOTAL OF THREE SIGNS. 
          UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO REMOVE AN EXISTING SINGLE TENANT SIGN AND AN EXISTING MULTI-TENANT SIGN. 
          COMBINE THE PROPERTIES BY RE PLATTING AND INSTALL TWO NEW MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGNS FOR A TOTAL OF THREE SIGNS. 
          SO THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCE IS CHAPTER 18, AND THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IS TO ALLOW ONE SINGLE TENANT AND TWO MULTI-TENANT POLE SIGNS ON A SITE, LESS THAN 10 ACRES. 
          UH, JUST TO RECAP, THIS IS THE PROPERTY CONTEXT. 
          SINCE OUR LAST PRESENTATION PER YOUR REQUEST, WE ADDED, UM, SOME EXTRA DOTS ON THERE THAT SHOWS OTHER SIGNAGE ALONG EAST BELTLINE ROAD. 
          SO THE DOTS IN THE, UH, TURQUOISE SHADE IS THE ONES INCLUDED IN THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR YOUR REFERENCE THERE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS JUST IN GENERAL CONTEXT. 
          SO 1610 EAST BELTLINE ROAD. 
          SO THIS IS AN EXISTING SINGLE TENANT, UM, POLE SIGN. 
          IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AGAIN, PER VARIANCE IN THE 1970S. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY 17 FEET IN HEIGHT AND 40 SQUARE FEET IN AREA AND WILL BE USED TO ADVERTISE THE TENANT IN THAT BUILDING AT 1610. 
          SO THIS IS THE OVERALL PROPERTY DESCRIPTION, AGAIN, 1600 EAST BELT LINES, 0.86 ACRES. 
          UM, IT LEAN TO BE RE PLATTED AND COMBINED WITH 17 HEAT, 1700 EAST BELTLINE ROAD, WHICH CURRENTLY SITS AT 7.9 ACRES. 
          SO IN TOTAL AFTER THE REPL, THAT'LL BE 8.6, 8.76 ACRES, 1600 EAST BELTLINE ROAD DESCRIPTION. 
          SO THERE'S AN EXISTING SIGN THERE. 
          UM, IT'S THE CALLISTO SIGN AND THE REQUEST IS FOR IT TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A NEW MULTI-TENANT SIGN. 
          UM, AND THIS PART OF, PART OF THIS VARIANCE IS THAT IT MUST BE REPLANTED, UM, WITH THE 1700 EAST BELTLINE ROAD OR THE PROPOSED SIGN WOULD BE CONSIDERED OFF PREMISE AND PROHIBITED. 
          SO 1700, UM, THE LAST ONE ON THE CORNER THERE, THAT'S AN EXISTING SIGN. 
          UM, IT'S CURRENTLY SITS AT 20 FEET IN HEIGHT, 60 SQUARE FEET IN AREA, AND IT WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A NEW MULTI-TENANT SIGN. 
          THIS AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE PROPOSED DESIGN OF THE SIGN AT THE MULTI-TENANT SITE, UM, AT 1600 AND 1700. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S 20 FEET IN OVERALL HEIGHT, 60 SQUARE FEET IN AREA, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY OUR CODES. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SPECIFICS WITH THE S SCHEMATICS AND THE DESIGN ITSELF. 
          SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS, UM, BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SET BACK MORE THAN 450 FEET FROM EAST BELTLINE ROAD, THE SIGNAGE OF THE MULTI-TENANT BUILDING IS OBSCURED BY THE BUILDING'S ADJACENT TO EAST BELTLINE ROAD. 
          AND THIS WOULD ALLOW MOTORISTS TO SEE THE SIGNAGE BETTER. 
          AND THE EXISTING SIGNAGE, AS YOU ALL MENTIONED LAST WEEK, IS OUTDATED. 
          UM, SO SOME POSSIBLE OUTCOMES BASED OFF OF HOW YOU ALL CHOOSE TO, UM, CONSIDER THE REQUEST IF THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED AS REQUESTED. 
          THERE WILL BE THREE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY, TWO MULTI-TENANT SIGNS THAT WILL BE 20 FEET IN HEIGHT AND 60 FEET IN AREA. 
          THAT'S ALLOWED PER OUR CODE AND ONE SINGLE, ONE SINGLE TENANT SIGN THAT IS 17 FEET IN HEIGHT AND 40, UH, 40 FEET IN AREA. 
          IF THE VARIANCE IS DENIED, THERE WILL STILL ALSO BE THREE SIGNS, BUT THEY'LL BE ON TWO PROPERTIES. 
          SO ONE PROPERTY WILL HAVE THE ONE MULTI-TENANT SIGN THAT IS 20 FEET IN HEIGHT AND 60 SQUARE FEET IN AREA, AND ONE SINGLE TENANT SIGN THAT IS 17 FEET IN HEIGHT AND 40 FEET IN AREA. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER PROPERTY WILL HAVE THE SINGLE TENANT SIGN THAT COULD BE 20 FEET IN HEIGHT AND 60 FEET IN AREA, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE THE OFF-PREMISE TENANTS. 
          SO COUNSEL FOR YOUR ACTION TODAY. 
          UM, AS A REMINDER, THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD, UM, APPROVED THIS CASE BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE. 
          CITY COUNCIL YOU MAY APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST. 
          AND WITH THAT, UM, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UM, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. 
          LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. 
          THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT IT UP. 
          HELLO, COUNCIL AND MAYOR. 
          HOW YOU DOING TODAY? UH, MY NAME'S BOBBY MENDOZA. 
          I, UH, UM, REPRESENT THE OWNERSHIP GROUP WORK FOR VICTORY REAL ESTATE GROUP. 
          WE'RE LOCATED AT 800 SOUTH SHERMAN ROAD IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS. 
          SO HERE TODAY, UM, TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE REQUEST 
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AND JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS. 
          UM, I THINK THIS, THIS, UM, THIS SLIDE WOULD HERE REPRESENTED PRETTY EASY AS STAFF POINTED OUT TODAY WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE AN EXISTING SINGLE TENANT SIGN THAT'S ON THE HARD CORNER HERE AT, UH, BELTLINE ROAD AT 1600. 
          WE HAVE AN EXISTING MULTI-TENANT SIGN AT 1700. 
          UH, THIS SIGN HAS ALL THE TENANTS THAT ADVERTISES ALL THE BUILDINGS HERE IN THE BACK. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE AN, UH, OLD SIGN THAT IS, UM, EXISTING TODAY AT, UM, UH, IN FRONT OF THE OLD MELONS, UH, BUILDING THAT NOW SITS VACANT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, I, UNFORTUNATELY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE, UH, PRESENTATION WE PRESENTED TO THE SIGN BOARD. 
          UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WASN'T, UM, AVAILABLE TODAY FOR YOU ALL. 
          BUT, UM, IF ANYBODY'S BEEN OVER TO THE SITE, WE'VE UNDERGONE A FULL RENOVATION OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, WE HAVE RAISED THE FACADE FROM BEING ABOUT 15 FEET TO ABOUT, I THINK IT'S 20 FEET WITH 24 FOOT, UH, PARAPETS. 
          UH, THE WHOLE RENOVATION IS DONE. 
          ALL THE TENANTS ARE BACK THERE PUTTING UP NEW SIGNAGE, WHICH IS ALL FOLLOWING THE SAME SIGNAGE GUIDELINES. 
          THEY'RE ALL BLACK SIGNS AND WE'RE ALLOWING THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRADEMARK LOGOS LIKE SHERMAN WILLIAMS AND, AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT. 
          FREE PLAY HAS THEIR EXISTING SIGN OUT THERE. 
          WE'VE CLEANED IT UP, PAINTED IT BLACK, GOT THEIR SAME NEONS. 
          SO, UH, REALLY WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO, WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY BACK IN, I THINK THE END OF 2020, EARLY 21. 
          UM, NO, THAT MIGHT BE TOO LATE. 
          IT'S ABOUT 22. 
          WE'VE OWNED IT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS, LET'S SAY. 
          UM, AND WE WERE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE RENOVATION WITH STAFF. 
          WE REALIZED THAT SOME, UM, SOME OF THE ITERATIONS WERE GONNA REQUIRE SOME CHANGES, SOME ZONING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO IT TOOK US SOME TIME REALLY TO GET TO THE PRODUCT WE'RE AT TODAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE FINISHED THE RENOVATION IN THE BACK. 
          WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF OUR FINAL APPROVALS WITH THE TOWN. 
          I MEAN THE, SORRY, EXCUSE ME, THE CITY TO, UM, TO FINALIZE AND CLOSE OUT THE FACADE RENOVATION OF THE WHOLE REAR, UH, THAT YOU SEE BACK HERE IN THE BACK. 
          UM, WE ARE FINALIZING OUR PLANS FOR ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING SO WE CAN GET ALL OF OUR UPDATED LANDSCAPING, UM, IN AND, AND CLEANED UP. 
          UM, Y'ALL NOTICE THERE'S SOME DEAD TREES, SOME OLD LANDSCAPING. 
          UH, WE GOTTA GET IRRIGATION UPDATED. 
          WE GOT SOME PLANS THAT WE GOTTA RETRIP THE PARKING LOT. 
          SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE SITE, UM, THAT ARE FOLLOWING THE RENOVATION THAT WASN'T A PART OF THE ORIGINAL PERMIT. 
          SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AND SHOW THE TENANTS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING, THAT WE ARE DOING THE RENOVATION. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK FOR A FEW YEARS AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE AT LEAST GOT THAT, GOT THAT DONE. 
          SO THAT RENOVATION IS, IS COMPLETED FOR THE FACADE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE PAINTED, UM, AND STARTED CLEANING UP ALL OF THE EMPTY BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE NOW. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE OLD MELON, CUTE BUILDING THAT'S HERE, THAT'S BEEN CLEANED UP, UH, AND PAINTED. 
          WE'RE WAITING ON, UM, JUST WORKING WITH VARIOUS TENANTS FOR THAT NEXT TO IT. 
          THE OLD METER BURGER. 
          UM, THAT ONE HAS BEEN CLEANED UP AS WELL. 
          UH, WE'RE WORKING ON A FEW. 
          UM, WE GOT IT WHEN WE DO THE PARKING LOT FOR THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING LOT AND STRIPING THAT WE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE HARD CORNER HERE, THAT USED TO BE THE OLD BANK, AND THEN IT WAS A RESTAURANT. 
          SO, UH, WE WERE WORKING WITH A TENANT THERE. 
          THEY'VE DONE SOME, UH, SOME OF THE FACADE RENOVATIONS. 
          WE'RE GONNA FINISH UP, UH, THE REST OF THAT FACADE. 
          AND REALLY, THIS IS THE, THE PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          UM, AS STAFF POINTED OUT TODAY, I CAN GO, WE CAN GO AND GET THIS SIGN HERE REPLACED AND BUILT HERE. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE OUR PLAN. 
          IRRELEVANT OF OUR OUTCOME TODAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS SIGN, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA GET IT INSTALLED. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, AS WE WERE MEETING WITH STAFF AND, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS AND HOW DO WE REALLY BOOKEND THIS PROPERTY, HOW DO WE MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S A FULL PROPERTY? BECAUSE IF YOU GO THERE, YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE OUR PROPERTY ENDS AND STARTS TO, TO BE HONEST. 
          UM, THE OLD KROGER THAT'S THERE HAS BEEN REALLY CHOPPED UP AND IT'S OLD. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAY, OKAY, IF YOU'RE COMING, IF YOU'RE GOING, UM, WESTBOUND OR EASTBOUND THERE ON BELTLINE, UM, AND YOU'RE AT THIS LIGHT, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO'S BEHIND YOU? HOW CAN I ADVERTISE FOR THE TENANTS THAT ARE BACK THERE? UM, I'VE GOT SEVERAL RESTAURANTS AND AND OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING INTO THIS SPACE BACK HERE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE AT THAT LIGHT AND IT'S A NEW TENANT THAT HASN'T BEEN THERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY IDEA UNTIL THEY HAVE NOW PASSED THIS SIGN HERE AND MISSED THE TURN IN. 
          SO THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LIGHT CIRCLE BACK AROUND. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAPPENS. 
          CUSTOMERS WILL GET USED TO IT. 
          BUT THAT FIRST TRIP WHEN PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR IT THE FIRST COUPLE TIMES, UM, REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          IT BECOMES DIFFICULT AND IT'S HARD FOR OUR TENANTS TO GET THAT ADVERTISING, TO GET THAT FOOT TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, TO BRING BACK THERE AFTER, AFTER, YOU KNOW, RENOVATING THE, THE CENTER THE WAY WE HAVE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS REALLY TO BOOKEND THE PROPERTY, TO HAVE A UNIFORMED, UM, SIGN, UM, 
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UH, CALL IT ORDINANCE, UM, THAT SHOWS OKAY, NOW YOU'VE ENTERED, YOU'VE ENTERED THE BLOCK OF 1600 EAST, EAST, UH, RICHARDSON, WHICH WE CALL RICHARDSON EAST AS THE SHOPPING CENTER'S, HOW WE REFER TO IT. 
          SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE ENTERED THE, UH, VICTORY SHOPS AT RICHARDSON EAST, UM, DEVELOPMENT, AND AND WE DO OWN ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS IN BETWEEN. 
          SO AS, AS YOU COULD SEE HERE RIGHT NOW, IT MIGHT BE, I THINK IT'S 7.9 ACRES. 
          WE'RE GONNA ADD THE EXTRA 0.8 ACRES THAT'LL TAKE US ABOUT EIGHT, A LITTLE OVER EIGHT AND A HALF ACRES. 
          I STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE HERE THAT WE COULD TECHNICALLY GET ABOVE THE 10 ACRES, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED, THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL LEASES. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO START BRINGING THINGS OUT OF CERTAIN, UM, START MESSING WITH LEASE LINES AND HAVING TO DO MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO, SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS, OKAY, LET'S GO GET A VARIANCE TO TURN THAT ONE SIGN HERE FROM BEING A, UH, A A, UM, IN THE FUTURE. 
          IT COULD BE A SINGLE TENANT, 20 FOOT, 60 FOOT, UM, IN SQUARE FOOT SIGN. 
          SO IF WE HAD A BANK OF AMERICA THERE, BANK OF AMERICA CAN TEAR THAT DOWN, BUILD A 20 FOOT SIGN, PUT 60 SQUARE FOOT BANK OF AMERICA, SIGN RIGHT ON IT. 
          INSTEAD, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, LET US USE, WE'LL REPL THIS PROPERTY INTO THE BACK AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND ADVERTISE ALL OF THE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THE REAR AND, AND UPGRADE THIS SIGNAGE SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S TRULY REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. 
          UM, OTHERWISE EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. 
          UM, AS IT WOULD STAY, UM, THE, THE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THIS SIGN COULD GET TORN DOWN AND, AND BE, UH, BE BE REBUILT AT 20 FOOT, 20 FOOT HEIGHT AND 60 SQUARE FOOT IN, UH, IN, UM, SIGNAGE AREA. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, I WISH I, I HAD SOME OF THE, UH, THE ELEVATIONS TO SHOW YOU ALL, BUT, UH, FORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO TO GET THAT IN. 
          LET'S SEE IF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS MIGHT CLEAR SOME THINGS UP. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN? YES. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, MR. MEDUSA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY I BELIEVE THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE GRAPHICS FROM LAST TIME. 
          UM, I WANNA SAY THAT I DO LIKE THE PRO PROPOSED NEW SIGN, THE PAGODA STYLE, AND I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF FLANKING THE CENTER. 
          I KNOW THIS AREA REALLY WELL, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU ARE REDEVELOPING IT. 
          AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT DESIGN AND REDEVELOPMENT, LANDSCAPING. 
          WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SIGN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, JUST PROPOSE, UM, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER JUST FLANKING THE PROPERTIES WITH THE TWO SIGNS AND ELIMINATING THE ONE IN THE CENTER, WHICH I BELIEVE, UH, IN ONE OF THE GRAPHICS IT'S SHOWN JUST AS A WHITE, UM, SIGN. 
          IF THERE'S A THIRD SIGN THAT ONE, ELIMINATE THAT ONE AND JUST USE THE ONE ON EACH SIDE FLANKING THE CENTER, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE LARGE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE ON BOTH SIDES. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GONNA UTILIZE BOTH SIDES. 
          THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH SPACE THERE WITH THE INCREASED SIZE AND SCALE OF THE PAGODA STYLE SIGNAGE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL TENANTS AND EVEN FUTURE TENANTS. 
          WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT AS AN OPTION? I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS WE'RE LOSING 40 SQUARE FEET OF AREA HERE. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER AN ACTION AS OF THAT, UM, WOULD WE BE ALLOWED TO INCREASE OUR VARIANCE TO ADD THAT 40 SQUARE FEET TO THE SIGNS FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE? SO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF SOMETHING I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK FURTHER WITH. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, IF WE CAN DO THAT NOW, OR THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN OFF, OFF. 
          WELL, YOU HAVE 20 FEET RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE PROPOSING A 20 FOOT, UM, 20 FOOT HEIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, SIGNAGE SPACE, THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY AREA I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING IS PUTTING A TOGE UH, ADDING ANOTHER ROW DOWN BELOW, LIKE ABOVE THE 1, 2, 2 5, UM, ON BOTH SIDES. 
          THAT WOULD INCREASE THE SIGNAGE AS YOU'RE, FOR PROPOSING, BUT NOT, NOT INCREASE THE HEIGHT. 
          IT WOULD STILL KEEP IT AT 20 FEET, BUT RIGHT BELOW THE, RIGHT ABOVE THE 1, 2, 2 5, YOU WOULD ADD ANOTHER, WE'LL JUST CALL THAT A, A ANOTHER LINE ITEM OF, OF, UH, YEP. 
          OF SPACE. 
          TENANT TENANT, YEAH. 
          TENANT SOME TENANT PASSES. 
          THAT WOULD GIVE YOU FOUR MORE PER SIGN. 
          TWO ON WHAT? TWO ON EACH SIDE HAVE, I THINK, UM, IF POTENTIALLY, IS THAT HOW MUCH YOU WOULD NEED? YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S, OR MORE THAT'S WHERE I WAS, I WAS HEADING, SO, SO LET ME, LET ME JUST HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE. 
          YOU CANNOT CHANGE, YOU CANNOT INCREASE, SORRY. 
          THE REQUESTED SQUARE FEET VARIANCE AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO GO BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT, ON MY APOLOGIES, THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE TONIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND, BUT IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I, I, I UNDERSTOOD IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WE COULD EXPLORE IF WE WERE TO GET RID OF THE SIGN. 
          CAN I MAKE UP THAT 40 SQUARE FEET OVER MY OTHER TWO SIGNS? THAT WAS, THAT WAS GONNA 
          [02:05:01]
BE MY QUESTION. 
          YEP. 
          FIRST OFF. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, IF WE WERE, IF, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, LET'S SAY WE WENT BACK TO THE VARIANCE BOARD AND DID THAT, UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY FLEXIBILITY ON BEING ABLE TO GET A COUPLE EXTRA FEET ON THE HEIGHT? OR IS 20 FEET REALLY THE, THE, THE MAXIMUM BECAUSE WE WE'RE, WE ARE GIVING AWAY A, A, A SIGN THAT IS ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. 
          SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME RESPOND TO THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A SEPARATE VARIANCE CONSIDERATION. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A, I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT, AND WE SURELY WOULDN'T SPECULATE WHAT THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD WOULD DO, BUT THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE REC THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE VARIANCE THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO REQUEST IN ADDITION TO THE VARIANCES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, AT, AT ISSUE TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT FOR TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIANCE FOR THE TWO SIGNS. 
          YES. 
          SO FLANKING THE PROPERTY WITH THIS DESIGN, I'M, I'M, I AM, I'M FOR THAT YEP. 
          DIRECTION AND ELIMINATING THAT SIGN IN THE MIDDLE. 
          NOW, OBVIOUSLY IF HE WANTS TO COME BACK AND, AND ADVOCATE FOR A DIFFERENT VARI A VARIANCE FOR AN ALTERNATE, ALTERNATE, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT. 
          BUT I THINK FLANKING THE TWO ON EACH PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE HAD A QUESTION. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR SIGN, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN SORT OF DO THIS ONE BY, RIGHT? AND THE REASON YOU'RE HERE IS THE OTHER SIGNS. 
          MY QUESTION FOR THE ONE THAT IS AT THE INTERSECTION, THE CALLISTO SIGN AS IT IS NOW, WOULD YOU CONSIDER MAKING THAT A MONUMENT SIGN? UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA MAKE THIS A HUGE, UH, IN MY OPINION, SORT OF HAVING TWO OF THE EXACT SAME SIGNS, AND I THINK IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A NI A NICER ENTRANCE AT THAT CORNER AND EVERYTHING. 
          I THINK A MONUMENT SIGN WOULD BE BETTER THERE THAN A POLE SIGN. 
          UM, THAT'S SORT OF MY STRUGGLE IS, IS MAKING THIS SIGN LARGER THAN, UH, IT IS NOW. 
          UM, AND KEEPING A POLE SIGN, UM, WHERE WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT ONE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK, UM, IF THE VARIANCE WAS NOT, UM, APPROVED TODAY, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS HIGHLY LIKELY BUILD THE SIGN AS IT SITS ON THE MIDDLE DRIVE, LEAVE THE TWO ALLOWED BY RIGHT SIGNS AND DETERMINE WITH A LATER VARIANCE, WHETHER WE TURN THIS SIGN INTO A, A BIGGER SIGN OR WE LEAVE IT AS IS FOR A SINGLE TENANT POLE SIGN OF 60 FEET. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT VISIBILITY IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING. 
          AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD ALLOW THAT TENANT DOWN THE CORNER TO DETERMINE IF THEY WANTED TO BUILD THAT SIGN AT, AT, UH, PER, PER THEIR RIGHTS. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, WHERE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY, OUR, OUR GOAL IS REALLY JUST TO HAVE THE SIGNS BOOK IN THE PROPERTY, HAVE MULTI-TENANT RETAIL SIGNS THAT, THAT SERVICE OFF-PREMISE SIGNAGE FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE CODE DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT, WHICH TOOK US TO THE VARIANCE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO DO THAT. 
          AND, AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE WOULD RE WE HAVE TO REPL THAT PROPERTY INTO THE OVERALL TO, TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW HARBOR FREIGHT AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE BACK TO ADVERTISE ON THAT CORNER. 
          WOULD, UH, WOULD THE CODE ALLOW MONUMENT SIGN HERE? WOULD THAT REQUIRE WE GO BACK TO THE, YEAH, SO A MONUMENT SIGN WOULD BE, UM, LEMME GO BACK TO THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          A MONUMENT SIGN, UM, WOULD BE ALLOWED, UM, MULTI-USE WOULD BE UP TO 80 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, SO, SO A MONUMENT SIGN WOULD GIVE YOU MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN YOU HAVE NOW, AND MORE THAN YOU'RE ASKING FOR DETECTIVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR, BUT THAT'S 60, RIGHT? SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          HE'S A SIGNED CONSULTANT, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'LL BE ABLE TO NAME DETECTIVE. 
          MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS DYLAN FESTER. 
          I'M WITH MELO SIGNS. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT OUT HERE AT THE CALISTO BUILDING ON THE CORNER, WE ARE ALREADY ALLOWED WITHOUT ANY OF THIS 20 FOOT TALL, 60 SQUARE FEET SINGLE TENANT. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS ASK CAN WE TURN THAT SAME SIZE, SAME HEIGHT, AND THE MULTI-TENANT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH. 
          IS THIS CONSIDERED A MONUMENT OR A POLE SIGN? THAT'S POLE SIGN. 
          THE POLE SIGN, OKAY. 
          YEAH, NO, I, I, I'M, I'M WITH YOU. 
          I THINK MY CONCERN, I LOVE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT MY CONCERN IS THERE'S A TON OF SIGN POLLUTION RIGHT THERE. 
          AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE TAKE THE AMAZING WORK THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE ON THIS, THIS, UM, SHOPPING CENTER AND MAKE IT ELEVATE IT EVEN MORE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A MONUMENT SIGN AT THAT CORNER, I THINK WOULD ELEVATE THAT, UM, MAKE IT LOOK REALLY NICE. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IS IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WERE OPEN TO. 
          I'M SORT OF GETTING THE VIBE A LITTLE BIT THAT IT'S TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT'S BEFORE SNIP OR NOT NECESSARILY, UM, WHEN YOU SAY 80 SQUARE FEET ON A MULTITASK, DO, DO YOU MIND GOING OVER TO THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER? UH, THE CITY MANAGER, WHEN YOU SAID 80 SQUARE FEET ON A MULTI, ON A MONUMENT SIGN MM-HMM. 
          THAT'S ASSUMING YOU, YOU WERE GONNA REPL IT. 
          YEAH. 
          ASSUMING WE REPL IT, IT WOULD BE 80 SQUARE FEET ON A MULTI, ON A MONUMENT SIGN. 
          AND HOW TALL CAN A MONUMENT SIGN GO? UM, 
          [02:10:01]
THINK IT'S EIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          UM, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT IN THIS, UM, NO, ACTUALLY, UM, EIGHT FEET. 
          EIGHT FEET AND EIGHT SQUARE, YEAH. 
          MULTI-USE MONUMENT SIGNS. 
          80 SQUARE FEET IN AREA. 
          EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND, AND THAT'S, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME BETTER VISIBILITY WITH THE HEIGHT AND HAVING THE LOWER SIGN WITH THE, WITH THE SIGNS A LITTLE BIT LOWER VERSUS HAVING 'EM HIGHER, IT CREATES AN EASIER PATH FOR THE TENANTS TO SEE IT. 
          UM, WE DEVELOPED ALSO THE DUNKING DONUTS DOWN THE STREET. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, IF EVERYBODY RECALLS THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S A VERY SIMILAR SIGN THAT, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE AS, AS THAT'S THERE. 
          AND, UM, THAT PROVIDED REALLY GOOD SIGNAGE FOR, FOR, FOR THOSE TENANTS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A, A KIND OF A, AN OVERALL AESTHETIC. 
          UM, I, I HEAR, I HEAR, I HEAR THE, THE SIGN PIECE OF IT FOR THAT THIRD SIGN THAT'S, THAT WAS GRANTED BY VARIANCE. 
          I, I HEAR THAT. 
          UM, SO IT'S BY NO MEANS IS IT EVER TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT IT IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND THEN WE COULD COME UP WITH A PLAN IF WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD. 
          TODAY IS, IS REALLY, UM, WHERE WE'RE, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO, UH, UNDERSTAND FROM COUNSEL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, SO TO CLARIFY, STAFF, THE ONE WHERE HE HAS THE RED CIRCLE AROUND, HE COULD BUILD THAT BY, RIGHT? CURRENTLY? CORRECT. 
          IS UH, WHERE THE RED CIRCLE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BUILDABLE BY, RIGHT? YES. 
          THAT'S UP TO 20. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO HE, ON THE WESTERN SIDE, THAT'S THE, OKAY, THAT'S THE, SO ONE I DO WANT TO SAY I LIKE THE SIGNS. 
          I THINK THEY'RE NICE. 
          THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN IT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGN POLLUTION. 
          I SEE THE BUSINESS ASPECT, WHY YOU WANNA DO IT THAT WAY. 
          IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME. 
          UM, BUT STAFF, CAN YOU VERIFY, HE MENTIONED THAT CURRENTLY ON THAT WESTERN SIDE, UM, CURRENTLY IT'S ALLOWED SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT SAME, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          SO A BANK COULD COME IN OR SOME OTHER AND PUT A GIANT SIGN THERE. 
          WELL, HE'S, UH, THIS ONE, RIGHT? HE IS, UH, WHAT HE'S, SO WHERE THE CURRENT, WHERE THE CURRENT BLUE DOT WITH THE RED CIRCLE IS, HE CAN BUY RIGHT AT THAT LOCATION, BUILD A SINGLE, HE'S CHECKING. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          SO, SO YES. 
          I THINK MAYBE WHAT YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO IS WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, IS UP TO 60 SQUARE FEET FOR A SINGLE. 
          WHAT I THINK HE SAID WAS HE'S ASKING FOR 60 SQUARE FEET FOR CURRENTLY FOR A MULTI, BUT HE COULD ACTUALLY GO UP TO 80. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT BY RIGHT. 
          HE CAN DO 60 FEET WITH A SINGLE TENANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE ONLY VARIATION IS THE QUANTITY OF ON THE SIGN, NOT THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE SIGN. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, THE HEIGHT, THE WIDTH, ALL THAT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, ALL THAT'S AVAILABLE BY RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST THE QUANTITY OF TENANT ON THE SIGN ON, ON THIS SIGN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ON THIS SIGN. 
          PARTICULAR THE OTHER ONE HE CAN DO BY. 
          RIGHT. 
          HE DOESN'T NEED A OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          HE COULD GO UP TO 80 SQUARE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, THIS IS DEFINITELY A COMPLEX LAYERING, ISN'T IT, OF  DIFFERENT RIGHTS AND, UM, AND ABILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND I, I HAVE TO SAY, I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THAT COMES WITH IT. 
          I DO. 
          WELL START, I APPRECIATE THE CANDOR AND THE BACK AND FORTH OF YOU SAYING, HEY, THIS IS JUST, IF I CAN'T GET THIS, THIS IS WHAT I'M, I'M GONNA DO. 
          MAYBE THEY'RE SOON TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT, UM, I, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THAT. 
          SO I DO APPRECIATE JUST THE HONESTY FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR END. 
          UM, I DO THINK THE PROPOSED AESTHETIC WOULD GO OVER WELL WITH THE NEARBY INTERNATIONAL MARKET BEING DEVELOPED, UM, AND S MALL DOWN THE STREET. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS THERE'S JUST A LOT IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT I, I DO UNDERSTAND, KIND OF LIKE COUNCILMAN BARRIO SAID. 
          I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M REALLY SYMPATHETIC TO IS JUST THAT ARGUMENT THAT IT'S HARD TO SEE SOME OF THE SHOP FRONTS BEHIND SORT OF THAT INITIAL RING OF RETAIL STORES. 
          BUT WHAT I AM KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT IS LIKE HOW MUCH VACANCY, HOW MUCH RETAIL VACANCY IS ACTUALLY BACK THERE, BECAUSE, SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ACTUALLY ALL OF IT. 
          SO REALLY, YEAH. 
          SO THE TECHNICALITY OF, OF THIS IS ALL OF THOSE LEASES ARE ON A MONTH TO MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE WAS AN UNDERLYING GROUND LEASE THAT'S EXPIRED. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, SEVERAL OF THEM TO STAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WANT, UM, WE WANT THE MAJORITY OF THEM TO STAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOW FINISHED THE FACADE RENOVATION. 
          SO NOW THAT THE FACADE RENOVATION IS DONE, WE'RE ACTIVELY MARKETING WITH, UH, THIRD PARTIES TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONVERT SOME OF THESE EXTRAS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'D PROBABLY SAY THERE'S 
          [02:15:01]
ABOUT 30% THAT'LL TURN OVER IN THE MIDDLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE MAJORITY OF, OF THAT WILL, WILL STAY. 
          UM, WE'LL BE TALKING TO YOU GUYS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE ABOUT SOME OF THESE CHANGES. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME SITE PLAN CHANGES THAT ARE COMING. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MOVE AROUND SOME OF THE USES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE FIRST STEP WAS THE, WAS THE RENOVATION AND, UM, LIKE YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE MIDDLE 30% REALLY IS ABOUT, IS UP, UP FOR, UM, OKAY. 
          NO, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S INTER, I MEAN, AND, AND THEN THE WHOLE FURNITURE SPACE IS EMPTY, AS YOU GUYS MAY KNOW MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON THAT AS WELL TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, ARE WE GONNA GET ONE LARGE TENANT? THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS I'VE HAD SO MANY ENTERTAINMENT USES THAT WANT TO GO NEXT FOR FREE PLAY. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE AN AMAZING DRAW MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT THE CEILING HEIGHTS ARE TOO LOW. 
          THIS WAS BUILT A LONG TIME AGO. 
          EVERYBODY NEEDS AT LEAST 18 TO 20 FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS TO DO SOME OF THESE, UM, WHAT ARE THEY? JUMP PARKS AND MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          WE'RE ONLY AT 14 TO 16. 
          SO IT, IT, IT PROHIBIT US FROM BEING ABLE TO DO ANY OF THAT. 
          SO REALLY HIGHLY LIKELY THAT'S GONNA BECOME TWO OR THREE RESTAURANTS. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          LIKE OUR VISION IS THAT WE CAN BRING AS MANY RESTAURANTS AS WE CAN BACK THERE AND TO ALSO, UM, LEASE IT IN A WAY WHERE IT'S GOING, IT, IT, IT WORKS WELL WITH THE PROJECT NEXT DOOR. 
          YOU MENTIONED THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT THEME. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, WE'RE GONNA ELEVATE THAT AREA TO, TO KIND OF HAVE THAT OVERALL, UM, AESTHETIC TO THE CENTER AND, AND BRING MORE RESTAURANTS TO THE AREA. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL. 
          UM, BUT UNTIL WE'RE DONE WITH THE RENOVATION, WE GET SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS DONE, I THINK THAT'LL BE WHEN WE WE'LL BE ABLE TO REALLY GET YEAH. 
          UH, GET SOME REAL MOMENTUM GOING. 
          NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUR TIME TO BE HONEST, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY NOT HERE OR THERE. 
          I MEAN, I, I USED TO LIVE JUST NORTH OF THIS AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE DID AS WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY HAVE A LOT OF FONDNESS FOR SOME OF THE TENANTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WERE, WERE HUGE HEADACHES AS YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, FOR, FOR US ON COUNCIL AS WELL. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SEE A LOT OF THE TURNOVER AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT GOING ON. 
          AND WE, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS WE GOT RID OF THOSE BARS. 
          WE JUST COULDN'T HAVE 'EM. 
          SO THEY WERE, THEY WERE A NUISANCE TO THE NIGHTTIME. 
          THEY WERE A NUISANCE TO THE PROPERTY. 
          SO, SO YOU GUYS ARE FAIRLY NEW OWNERS OF THIS? YEAH. 
          WE'VE ONLY OWNED IT FOR MAYBE TWO YEARS AND OKAY. 
          THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          AS SOON AS CALISA WENT AWAY, WE HAD JUST GOTTEN OWNERSHIP. 
          I THINK IT TOOK SENSE. 
          60 DAYS WE EVICTED THEM. 
          THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WOW. 
          SO, WELL THAT'S, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S, AND, AND YOU KNOW, ALL THAT'S WHY WE, WE'VE TAKEN OUR TIME, FRANKLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'VE HAD, WE COULD'VE LEASED A FEW OF THESE BUILDINGS OVER AND OVER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I HAD SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONTEXT BEHIND ALL OF THIS. 
          AND I MEAN, FROM, FROM MY STANCE, I'LL LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES 'CAUSE MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE I CAN, I CAN GET BEHIND, BUT I'M, I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY OKAY WITH WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, JUST WITH THE MULTI-TENANT SIGNS, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO DO IT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          IF I CAN, I WANT TO, UH, JUST MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WHICH I, I, UH, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, BY RIGHT THROWN AROUND THE SIGN, THE SIGN ORDINANCE, UH, STATES THAT FOR A RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, A SITE OF LESS THAN 10 ACRES, ONE SINGLE USE POLE SIGN IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. 
          SO, I WANNA APOLOGIZE, I THINK I CONFIRMED SOMETHING THE APPLICANT SAID, BUT THE SIGN THAT IS ON THE FAR EAST SIGN ON THE TRACK CURRENTLY IS NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          IS A MULTI-TENANT SIGN. 
          IT'S AN EXISTING, THIS MULTI-TENANT EXISTING SIGN. 
          WELL, YOU CAN REFACE IT, BUT YOU CAN'T RECONSTRUCT IT. 
          UH, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT CITY STAFF HAS TOLD US IN WRITING. 
          NO, I'M PRETTY SURE. 
          WELL, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT, BUT YOU CAN REFACE THE SIGN, BUT IF YOU RECONSTRUCT THE SIGN, IT'S A NEW SIGN. 
          OKAY, SO IF I WRAP IT MM-HMM . 
          LEAVE THE POLE AND JUST WRAP IT, IT'S, WELL, YOU'RE CHANGING THE, YOU'RE CHANGING THE, THE SIZE OF THE SIGN. 
          SO IT'S NOT, YOU COULD, LIKE, IF IT'S, IT IS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING SIGN, YOU CAN CHANGE THE COPY. 
          THAT'S ALL YOU CAN CHANGE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY CLEAR IN OUR CODE. 
          SO I JUST WANT COUNSEL, I WANNA MAKE THE POINT THAT THE SIGN THAT'S BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THIS, UH, UH, CURRENT PROPERTY, IT'S A LESS THAN A 10 ACRE SITE. 
          IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. 
          AND, AND WHAT ABOUT THE ONE ON THE WEST, THE POLICE? IS THAT BECAUSE, IS THAT BECAUSE THIS SIGN IS EXISTING? NO, SIR. 
          JUST SO IF THIS SIGN WAS GONE, THE SECOND SIGN, NO. 
          SO THE CITY CODE STATES THAT ON A SITE IN A RESIDENTIAL, I'M SORRY, IN A, UH, RETAIL ZONE DISTRICT SITES THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 ACRES ONLY BY RIGHT. 
          IS A SINGLE ONE USED SIGN. 
          SO YOU CAN'T, THAT'S A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING SIGN. 
          YOU CAN REFACE THAT SIGN ONLY, BUT YOU CANNOT RECONSTRUCT IT. 
          YOU CANNOT EXPAND IT, YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT. 
          IT'S A SIMPLE NON-CONFORMING CLAUSE. 
          SO, UM, SO THIS SIGN CAN ONLY HAVE ONE TENANT ON IT. 
          [02:20:01]
THAT'S A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING SIGN. 
          YOU CAN REFACE THE SIGN. 
          WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REGULATE COPY. 
          YOU CAN REFACE THE SIGN, BUT YOU CANNOT RECONSTRUCT THE SIGN OR EXPAND THE SIGN, OTHERWISE YOU LOSE YOUR NON-LEGAL CONFORMING STATUS AND YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I THINK, I THINK I HEARD YOU. 
          I JUST, I'M SORRY. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          ONE, ONE, YOU SAID ONE, UH, FOR ANYTHING UNDER 10 ACRES, ONE SITES LESS THAN 10 ACRE, WHAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          IS ONE SINGLE USE POLE SIGN. 
          SO, AND THEN THE SINGLE USE MEANS SINGLE TENANT OR MULTI-TENANT. 
          IT SAYS SINGLE USE. 
          SO SINGLE TENANT. 
          SO THEN, SO THEN HOW DID I GET A, UH, ON, ON BELTLINE ROAD? 'CAUSE THIS SIGN CONTROL, THIS SIGN ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED IN, UH, 2012. 
          SO YOU ARE, YEAH, THOSE SIGNS ARE PRE 2012. 
          SO THEY'RE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY'VE NEVER BEEN IMPROVED FROM AN AESTHETIC OR STRUCTURAL, WELL, I'M SORRY, VICTORY. 
          THE, THE DUNKING DONUTS DEAL WE BUILT WAS IN 2020. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A ONE AND HALF, 1.2 ACRE PROPERTY THAT HAS A SINGLE POLE SIGN JUST LIKE THIS WITH THREE TENANTS ON IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT'S A, THAT WAS APPROVED NOT BY RIGHT UNDER THIS ORDINANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THAT'S, LISTEN, I, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT ON SITES OF LESS THAN 10 ACRES, YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE POLE SIGN WITH A SINGLE USE THAT'S IN THE CODE. 
          I'M READING IT FROM OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. 
          SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THIS SIGN THAT'S ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          TO BE A MULTI-TENANT, YOU HAVE A MULTI-TENANT SIGN. 
          IT'S LEGAL NON-CONFORMING. 
          IT WAS CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THIS CODE WAS ADOPTED IN 2012. 
          YOU CAN CHANGE THE COPY OF THE SIGN, BUT YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE AESTHETICS OR THE STRUCTURAL OF THE SIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF, LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE MELON SIGN WASN'T THERE, THAT'S GONE. 
          ANY SITE UNDER 10 ACRES IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON CANNOT BE A MULTI-TENANT SIGN, IS WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? SUBSEQUENT TO 2012, UNLESS THEY OBTAINED A VARIANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I, I, OKAY, I'LL JUST, I  I DON'T THINK WE'RE HERE TO DEBATE. 
          SO, SO LET'S, LET'S DO THIS. 
          UM, JUST YES, UH, I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          I SEE SOME MORE QUESTIONS ARE ARE COMING YOUR WAY AS WELL. 
          UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE AND IF WE DID WANT TO HAVE TWO SIGNS INSTEAD OF THREE, THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK JUST FOR CLARIFICATION'S SAKE, NOTHING ELSE. 
          UM, YOU'VE PROPOSED TWO BOOKEND SIGNS. 
          UH, IF YOU WERE GRANTED THOSE TWO BOOKEND SIGNS THAT ARE MULTI-TENANT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GET RID OF THE WHITE SIGN THAT'S IN THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE? THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, WHICH IS 1610, THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT, UH, WE HAD, UH, PRIOR TO THIS. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS NEW INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST GIVEN US. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND ALSO THE BULLET POINTS AT THE END OF THE SLIDE SAID THAT WE COULD DO WHAT I SAID. 
          UM, IS THAT, UM, IS THAT IF, IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE AND WE WERE GONNA WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL TO REMOVE THAT SIGN, WHAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD THEN OPT, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE VARIANCE BOARD TO ADD THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          I WOULD WANT. 
          I WOULD, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THE ANSWER IS WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DISCUSS REMOVING THAT SIGN. 
          BUT I WOULD PROBABLY BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A, UH, BECAUSE I WOULD WANT TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT I'M LOSING FROM THAT 40 FOOT SITE. 
          I CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN AFTER THIS MEETING. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WHAT I AM ASKING IS IF, IF THIS COUNCIL IN THIS MEETING ON THIS TOPIC WAS WILLING TO DO THE TWO BOOKEND SIGNS, WOULD YOU IN THIS MEETING BE WILLING TO REMOVE THAT OTHER SIGN? THAT'S THE ONLY CLARIFICATION I'M ASKING FOR. 
          UM, I WOULD REMOVE IT, BUT I'M, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO, UH, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO FOR VARIANCES LATER, THAT'S UP TO YOU. 
          BUT I'M JUST ASKING IF, IF YOU WOULD, FOR TONIGHT'S DECISION, YOU WOULD BE WILLING I WOULD, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNSEL KIND OF ALL HEARD THAT AND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE POTENTIALLY. 
          YES. 
          UH, MAYOR TIM HUTCHEN. 
          SO I'M CONFUSED AT BEST  BASED ON WHAT, WHAT DON SAID. 
          SO I MEAN, WE CAN STILL APPROVE THE TWO BOOKEND SIGNS THAT ARE BOTH MULTI-TENANT. 
          OKAY. 
          BOTH ARE GONNA BE, UM, 60 FOOT, 60 SQUARE FOOT, 20 FOOT TALL, UH, WHICH IS WHAT THIS ONE IS. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S 20 FOOT WITH 60 SQUARE FOOT EXCEPT, BUT IF THEY'VE GOT A PRETTIER DESIGN ON THE, BUT IF WE DO THAT, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GUARANTEE THAT THAT THIRD SIGN WOULD COME DOWN. 
          NO. 
          WE COULD, AS A PART OF OUR APPROVAL, SAY THAT WE WOULD APPROVE JUST THE TWO SIGNS WITH THE THIRD ONE BEING TAKEN DOWN. 
          CAN WE DO THAT? MM-HMM. 
          AS A PART OF THIS? WE CAN, YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE VARIANCE APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THEY COULD COME BACK WITH A FUTURE VARIANCE IF THAT'S WHAT SAY THEY CHOOSE. 
          BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEES AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, DON, YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER ABOUT 80 SQUARE FEET. 
          I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT FITS INTO THIS. 
          SO ON SITES THAT ARE LARGER THAN 10 ACRES BY RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN HAVE A, A, UH, ONE SINGLE USE SIGN AND ONE MULTI-USE SIGN, AND THAT MULTIUSE SIGN CAN BE UP TO 80 
          [02:25:01]
SQUARE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S FOR 10 ACRES? YEAH. 
          YEAH, FOR 10 ACRES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I, OVER 10 ACRES AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE UNDER 10 ACRES. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          NO, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO, I MEAN, I GUESS, I GUESS THE, IS IT, 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE IN MY MIND, AND THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHT IS WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE AS KIND OF A, A NEGOTIATION POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THE, THE TWO BOOKENDS, REMA, UH, GRANT, BOTH OF THOSE HAVE 20 FEET, TAKE DOWN THAT MIDDLE SIGN AND MAKE IT, INSTEAD OF 60 SQUARE FEET, MAKE IT 80 SQUARE FEET, WHICH I UNDERSTAND HAS TO GO BACK. 
          BUT IS THERE, I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY TO DO A CONTINUANCE OR SOMETHING TO WHERE IT ALL GETS WRAPPED UP IN, IN ONE DEAL SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING? SO IT'S, IT'S DONE ONE TIME VERSUS, I I'M NOT, I WOULD BE, I WOULD, I WOULD BE 100% ON BOARD WITH THAT. 
          I, I'M PERSONALLY NOT ON BOARD WITH 80 FOOT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OWN, UH, UH, THOUGHT PROCESS. 
          BUT I'M OPEN TO OTHER, OTHER THOUGHTS AS WELL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DO, UH, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY, MAYOR. 
          JUST, JUST TO, UH, TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, MAYOR PROAM, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S BEEN POSTED, UM, WITH, UH, A AS REQUESTED. 
          SO, UM, YOU COULD BECOME MORE STRICT, BUT YOU CAN'T BECOME MORE LENIENT IN THE, THE VARIANCE. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, OR, OR YOU COULD NOT TAKE THAT ACTION TONIGHT, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN POSTED. 
          BUT, BUT IF, IF, THEN WOULD, WOULD IT BE THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD DENY THIS AND THEY'D COME BACK. 
          WE DENY THAT AND THEY WOULD COME BACK? YES. 
          AND IS THERE ANY PREJUDICE ISSUE OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES? WE HAVE TO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OR WE COULD, OR WE COULD APPROVE TWO 60 FOOT SIGNS AND THEN IF THEY WANTED ANOTHER VARIANCE, THEY COULD ALWAYS ASK FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          SO WE COULD GIVE THEM AN APPROVAL TONIGHT REMOVING THE THIRD SIGN IF WE SO CHOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON ALL THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DOYNE. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND, AND I KIND OF WANTED TO, UH, TOUCH ON THAT SAME SUBJECT MATTER. 
          ONE, I APPRECIATE YOU ELEVATING THE CENTER. 
          IT'S VERY NICE. 
          I HOPE WE GET TO KEEP BASKIN ROBBINS, BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. 
          WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SIGNS ONLY. 
          AND I HAVE TO AGREE THAT FLANKING THE TWO SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPOSED DESIGN THAT, THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED, I'M, I SUPPORT THAT. 
          AND BY ELIMINATING THAT THIRD SIGN IN THE CENTER FOR TONIGHT, IF, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE SIGN BOARD AND, AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MAKING THAT ALTERATION AS YOU'RE DISCUSSING, YOU CAN. 
          BUT WE, YOU COULD WALK AWAY WITH EITHER ONE POTENTIALLY, UM, APPROVING THIS AND MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU WISH, AT THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE OR COMING BACK AND ASK FOR THE 80 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, MOST LIKELY. 
          BUT IN MY OPINION, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUPPORT WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE HERE AS SHOWN, WHICH IS 60 SQUARE FEET AT THE 20 FOOT HEIGHT AND FLANKING BOTH OF THOSE AND ELIMINATING THE CENTER SIGN. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PERFECT, WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT. 
          YEP. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE THREE THAT ARE KIND OF LEANING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SEL. 
          THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER  DURIAN, YOU EXPLAINED IT PRETTY WELL. 
          I'M PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. 
          I'M NOT FOR THE THIRD SIGN, REGARDLESS OF THE SHAPE OR SIZE. 
          SO I'M JUST FOR TWO. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THE SIZE THAT 20 FEET TALL AND THAT 60 FEET, 60 SQUARE FEET SIZE, I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HAS SOME MEANING IN IT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY AND THE SITE LIKE VISUAL THINGS, THOSE ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A REASON WHY THEY COME UP WITH THAT DESIGN. 
          SO I THINK I, I'M, I'LL, I'LL STICK WITH THE DESIGN THAT WAY IS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANY MODIFICATION OF THAT, BUT YES, I'LL GO WITH THE, WITH THIS OPTION ONLY TO SIGN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK WE MAY ALREADY HAVE FOUR THAT ARE KIND OF LEANING THIS WAY, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD? I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ADD, UM, ADD TWO, TWO QUICK THOUGHTS. 
          YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE IS ANY, ANY SORT OF ADDITIONAL, MORE LENIENT THING THAT HAS TO COME BACK THROUGH US. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT SORT OF THIS IMPRESSION THAT COUNCIL'S ON BOARD WITH SOMETHING ONLY FOR THE SCB JUST TO VOTE IT DOWN AND THAT IT NEVER EVEN COMES TO US. 
          SO JUST, JUST A THOUGHT THAT I'M PUTTING OUT THERE. 
          NOW. 
          THE SECOND THING I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, I'M PERSONALLY, I'M, UH, I'M STILL FINE WITH THE PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED. 
          UM, I DROVE BY IT THIS WEEKEND AND IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE TOO MUCH SUN CLUTTERED TO ME, BUT THAT SAID, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M ALSO, IF, IF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL ENDS UP SAYING, HEY, WE JUST WANNA PRESENT IT CUTTING OUT THE MIDDLE SIGN AND APPROVING THE OTHER TWO SIGNS, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, VOTE AGAINST, VOTE AGAINST THAT FOR THE SAKE OF STICKING TO MY GUNS ON THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL EITHER. 
          PERFECT. 
          PERFECT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS? YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR DON. 
          JUST NOW I LIKE THIS BOOKEND IDEA AND I'M, I'M GLAD THAT GOT CLARIFIED. 
          SO IT SOUNDS 
          [02:30:01]
LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          I'M NOT A FAN LOOKING FORWARD OF, YOU KNOW, THAT THOUGHT OF TAKING IT TO 80. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA, BECAUSE THEY HAVE 80 BY RIGHT? CURRENTLY THEY DO NOT, UH, ONLY IF IT'S 10 ACRES. 
          ONLY IF IT'S 10 ACRES, THEY HAVE 80. 
          IS THAT PLEASE CLARIFY BECAUSE LET, LET ME, LET ME, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, WE HAVE THIS BY RIGHT. 
          AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN DO 80 BECAUSE WE APPROVE THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BY, SO WOULD THEY HAVE, CURRENTLY THEY ARE A SITE LESS THAN 10 ACRES, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          WITHOUT JUST THE LARGE SITE ON THE, ON THE SCREEN THERE NOT, WITH NOT EVEN REPLYING. 
          WELL, EVEN AFTER REPLYING, THEY'RE STILL LESS THAN 10 ACRES. 
          THEY'RE LESS THAN 10 UNLESS WE ADDED ALL THESE SITE, ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES. 
          SO THE ONLY THING THEY HA, ONLY THING NEW THEY HAVE BY RIGHT IS ONE SINGLE USE POLE SIGN. 
          AND THAT SINGLE USE POLE SIGN CAN ONLY BE 60 A TOTAL OF 60 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY HAVE A MULTI-USE POLE SIGN THAT'S A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING, UH, POLE SIGN FROM A PRE 2012, UH, INSTALLATION. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ABLE TO KEEP THAT. 
          AND WE CAN'T CONTROL COPY. 
          SO WE CAN'T DICTATE, WE CAN'T FORCE THEM TO CHANGE THAT TO A SINGLE TO COMPLY. 
          UM, SO ON THAT, IN THAT PARTICULAR SITE, THAT'S THE ONLY THING. 
          SO, UM, IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK AND CONSTRUCT THE SIGN THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ON THE MOST EASTERN, UH, LOCATION THERE, THEY WOULD STILL REQUIRE A VARIANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF I MAY PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE REALLY NEED TO, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH, UM, A MEMBER FROM THE CITY FOR MONTHS ON THIS PART PROJECT ABOUT THE CODE BACK AND FORTH AND, BUT FOR MONTHS. 
          SO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CODE AS WE CAME IN TODAY IS NOT WHAT YOU WERE PRESENTING TO US. 
          NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE INCORRECT MM-HMM . 
          BUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD FROM CITY MEMBERS FOR MONTHS IS SOMETHING, UH, TO THE CONTRARIAN. 
          SO ALSO THE, UM, PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE BEGINNING DOESN'T MATCH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE WRONG, ACTUALLY IT DOES LOOK AT, LOOK AT SLIDE, UH, GO TO SLIDE TWO. 
          IT SAYS VARIANCE IS DENIED. 
          SITES LESS THAN 10 ACRES ARE ALLOWED ONE SINGLE USE PULSE SIGN. 
          SO IT DOES MATCH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO I'M READY TO HEAR A MOTION. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MAYOR. 
          SURE. 
          I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, WOULD APPROVE TO, I, I BELIEVE WE'RE ACCEPTING THE SIGN CONTROL BOARD WITH AN EXCEPTION IF OR WITH AN ADJUSTMENT WITH A SPECIAL CONDITION. 
          WITH A SPECIAL, WITH A SPECIAL CONDITION. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH A SPECIAL CONDITION OF THE REMOVAL OF THE THIRD SIGN. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT THE WAY I NEED TO GO AHEAD CREATE THE MOTION TO BE, TO BE CLEAR, WE CAN SAY THAT THAT'S, UH, 16 10 16 10 EAST BELT LINE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE ACCEPTING WITH A MODIF WITH A SPECIAL CONDITION, SPECIAL CONDITION OF THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING SIGN AT 1610 EAST BELT LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I HEARD MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER DOYEN AND I SECOND THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          I SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          DORIAN, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE ARE SIX ONE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          OPPOSED? THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING ALL YOU'RE DOING IN THE CITY. 
          I DO APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, MOVING 
          [10. CONSENT AGENDA]
ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, MAYOR PRO, TIMM HUTCHIN RIDER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PUBLISHED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I SECOND THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED COUNCIL MEMBER? CORCORAN. 
          UH, YOU, YOU'RE IN FAVOR. 
          ALRIGHT, AWESOME. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND WE WILL 
          [11. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]
MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH IS REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          ACTUALLY, UM, WE DON'T, THERE'S, WE'RE WE'RE GOOD ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? IT COVERS ALL A THROUGH D, RIGHT? YES. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE CAN REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY IN INTEREST. 
          UH, YES. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          UM, LAST WEEK ON WEDNESDAY, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT THE MAYOR IN OUR CITY ON TWO EVENTS. 
          THE FIRST OFF WAS THE KOMAN DALLAS NORTH TEXAS RACE FOR THE CURE LEADERSHIP BREAKFAST. 
          UM, IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING PRESENTATION, UM, VIA THE SU SUSAN G KOMEN AND, UM, ORGANIZATION. 
          AND THEY LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR WALK THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S GONNA BE ON THE UTD CAMPUS. 
          SO THAT WAS VERY EXCITING TO HEAR THAT THEY WERE MOVING AND HAVING IT ON THE UTD CAMPUS. 
          I THEN LEFT THERE AND GOT DOWNTOWN AS I'LL SAY, AS QUICKLY AS I COULD, UM, CHIEF TILL, DON'T LISTEN. 
          UM, ANYWAY, AND, UM, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A VERY INTERESTING, UM, CONGRESSIONAL FORUM THAT WAS HOSTED BY THE DALLAS REGIONAL CONFERENCE, UH, 
          [02:35:01]
CHAMBER, DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER, EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, THERE WERE, UM, THREE, UM, UM, US CONGRESSIONAL FOLKS, TWO REPUBLICANS, ONE DEMOCRAT, AND I THINK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM KIND OF HAD THE SAME OPINION, UM, THAT WE JUST CAN'T SEEM TO AGREE ON ANYTHING . 
          I FELT VERY SO SORRY FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, UH, MODERATOR. 
          HE WAS JUST TRYING TO EVEN FIND A LITTLE BIT OF AGREEMENT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, AND IT JUST WASN'T GONNA BE THERE. 
          SO, UM, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING AND, UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSION OBVIOUSLY ABOUT REDISTRICTING, WHICH AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET US, I'M NOT TRYING TO PULL US IN THERE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS INCREDIBLY LISTEN, INTERESTING TO GO AND LISTEN AND TALK. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, BOY OH BOY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, I WAS VERY HONORED TO BE THERE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DOYNE, UH, YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SPENDING 10 AND A HALF HOURS SATURDAY WITH THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, UH, FOR REVIEWING AND, UH, INTERVIEWING, UM, FOR OUR GRANTS THIS YEAR. 
          AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION AND, AND DEDICATING THAT MUCH TIME ON A SATURDAY AND LISTENING TO EVERYONE, UM, PRESENT THEIR THEIR CASE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S ALWAYS AMAZES ME OF HOW MUCH TIME AND DEDICATION GOES INTO THAT. 
          AND I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, STAFF, UM, AND OUR, OUR LIAISON, MCKAYLA AND, UM, AND EVERYBODY, IT'S ALL THE COUNCIL. 
          SO AGAIN, I I REALLY APPRECIATE SPENDING 10 AND A HALF HOURS THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          WE GET COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE SUBTLE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THURSDAY I HAD THE PLEASURE OF STOPPING BY THE YALE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, NEIGHBORHOOD SOCIAL. 
          UH, THEY'RE GETTING THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BACK OFF THE GROUND, AND THEY'RE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB. 
          SHOUT OUT TO BYRON PURDY AND EVERYONE ON THE, THE BOARD OVER THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HAD A GOOD TURNOUT, PROBABLY 20 PEOPLE. 
          UM, I WAS ONLY THERE FOR A FEW MINUTES BEFORE I HEADED OVER TO THE COMMUNITY INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION MEETING, UH, WHERE THEY RECEIVED PRESENTATIONS, UH, ABOUT THE FAMILY FOURTH AND H FINDS HARVEST FEST BY, UM, MS. LAWRENCE. 
          AND THEN OUR OWN MS. AMY NEIGHBORS ER GAVE THEM, UM, A PRESENTATION ON OUR GET ON BOARD CAMPAIGN, UM, AND PREVIEWED SOME STUFF THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING. 
          SO I FEEL A LITTLE BIT SPECIAL THAT I GOT TO SEE SOME NEW SOFTWARE THAT MAYBE GET, MAY GET PREVIEWED FOR US LATER ON COUNCIL, WHICH IS REALLY COOL AND I THINK EVERYONE WILL APPRECIATE. 
          AND THEN SATURDAY, UH, WE HAD A GREAT HOMECOMING AND SENDOFF FOR, UH, MISS TEXAS. 
          SHE'S GOING TO COMPETE. 
          UH, MS. RICHARDSON, UH, CROWNED NOW CROWNED, MISS TEXAS. 
          UM, SHE'S GOING TO COMPETE IN THE MISS AMERICA PAGEANT ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH. 
          SO WE WILL BE ROOTING HER ON, UM, FOR THE FIRST, MS. RICHARDSON, THE FIRST LEGACY. 
          UH, AND JUST ALL AROUND BEST MISS TEXAS, UH, TO WIN MISS AMERICA IF SHE SO CHOOSES, UM, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AWESOME. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YEAH, THAT MISS TEXAS EVENT WAS NEAT. 
          UH, I THINK WE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT A, MAYBE WATCHING THAT, RIGHT? UH, HOPEFULLY MS. RICHARDSON WILL WIN MISS AMERICA. 
          UM, LAST FRIDAY THE 22ND, I, IN THIS ROOM, I JOINED THE, A LOT OF US, SEVERAL OF US DID, JOINED THE RICHARDSON PUBLIC LIBRARY VOLUNTEER DINNER. 
          UM, AND IT'S AS THE LIAISON TO THE LIBRARY BOARD. 
          IT WAS, UH, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERS. 
          ONE, IT'S IMPRESSIVE WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN OUR LIBRARY. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SUCH A GREAT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND SO MANY VOLUNTEERS PUT IN SO MANY HOURS SO THAT THESE INCREDIBLE PROGRAMS CAN HAPPEN. 
          SO A SMALL TOKEN OF, UH, GRATITUDE ON OUR BEHALF TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO DONATE THOSE HOURS. 
          SO HATS OFF TO THEM AND TO THE ENTIRE STAFF ARE A GREAT EVENT. 
          UM, MAYOR, I KNOW YOU AND I, UM, ATTENDED ON SATURDAY. 
          I KNOW SEVERAL OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTENDED THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, BUT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HAMILTON PARK RIGHT THERE ACROSS SOME, THE RSD ADMINISTRATION BUILDING HELD A WEEK LONG CELEBRATION. 
          THEY HAD DIFFERENT EVENTS FOR THEIR 70TH ANNIVERSARY. 
          AND YOU AND I ATTENDED A LUNCHEON ON SATURDAY. 
          UM, AND IT WAS GREAT. 
          IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. 
          UM, WE WERE WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS AND, UH, HEARD SOME INCREDIBLE SINGERS. 
          UH, THE, THE TALENT IN THE AREA IS, IS INCREDIBLE. 
          UM, I DON'T, I WILL NEVER FORGET MISS DOROTHY'S RENDITION OF AMAZING GRACE. 
          THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, BUT THANK YOU TO FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HAMILTON PARK, ONE FOR ALL THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SO MANY YEARS. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO A GREAT CELEBRATION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          UM, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YEAH, I'LL, I'LL ECHO. 
          FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HAMILTON PARK. 
          I WAS THERE ON TUESDAY AND I WAS JUST REALLY, REALLY JUST SHOCKED, I SUPPOSE, HOW WELCOME I WAS MADE TO FEEL. 
          AND I INTENDED ONLY TO GO FOR A COUPLE MINUTES. 
          ENDED UP STAYING 
          [02:40:01]
UNTIL THEY KICKED EVERYONE OUT OF THE CHURCH. 
          SO  IT WAS, IT WAS AWESOME. 
          UM, AND THEN TUESDAY MORNING, UH, IT WAS LATE NIGHT AND AN EARLY MORNING. 
          'CAUSE TUESDAY MORNING WE HAD OUR, UH, HOA, UM, NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT'S MEETING. 
          AND IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD LEGISLATIVE UPDATE. 
          UM, OF COURSE, YEAH, IT WAS PACKED. 
          I MEAN, LITERALLY THERE WAS, THERE WAS NOWHERE FOR PEOPLE TO SIT AROUND SORT OF THIS, THIS RING HERE. 
          UM, BUT TRUE TO FORM, OF COURSE, THINGS HAVE CHANGED ALREADY IN THE LEGISLATIVE SCENE EVEN SINCE THAT MEETING. 
          SO TELL US, JOE. 
          OH, WELL,  , SURE. 
          I MEAN, UH, I MEAN, FOR THOSE WHO, WHO DON'T KNOW TONIGHT, NOW IT'S NOT PASSED THE SENATE YET, THEY SELF RECONCILE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF BILLS. 
          BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UM, MAYOR PRO TIMM ALLUDED TO EVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING. 
          BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE NORMALLY ARE ABLE TO, UH, COLLECT SORT OF THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX UP TO 3.5%, AND THAT NUMBER IS NOW GONNA BE DOWN TO 1%, UM, BEFORE IT HAS TO GO TO VOTERS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKES, IT, MAKES BUDGETING, I THINK, REALLY, REALLY CHALLENGING WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN PLAN FOR, I WOULD SAY MODERATE, SORT OF MODERATE INCREASES IN THE BUDGET WITHOUT HAVING TO CALL SORT OF A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR EVERY SINGLE EXPENSE. 
          AND SO ANYWAY, WE'LL SEE WHERE THE COMPROMISE LANDS BETWEEN THE, THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY VERY FRUSTRATING. 
          YEAH, OUR ADVERTISED WORST CASE WAS ACTUALLY MADE WORSE. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, SO I WON'T REPEAT THOSE THREE, UH, THINGS THAT I HAD ON MY LIST THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, BUT, UH, I WILL HIT A COUPLE OTHERS. 
          UM, UH, I DID GET AN OPPORTUNITY, SATURDAY WAS JUST A REALLY CRAZY DAY, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, RIGHT BEFORE I THINK, UH, FIRST BAPTIST HAMILTON, UH, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO CENTRAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH, UH, WHERE THEY HAD A SPLASH DAY AND BIG FOAM PARTY. 
          IT WAS GREAT FOR THE KIDS. 
          THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE HAVING A BLAST. 
          UM, UH, THAT MORNING BEFORE THEN, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, BEFORE THE RISD COUNCIL OF PTAS. 
          SO MUCH ENERGY IN THE ROOM. 
          UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, RISD DIDN'T GET THE GREATEST, UH, NEWS IN TERMS OF A GRADE THAT WAS OFF BY JUST A FEW BABY BULLET POINTS BEFORE, UH, BEFORE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A B. 
          AND SO, UH, BUT DESPITE THAT, THERE WAS JUST SUCH POSITIVE, UH, FEELINGS IN THERE. 
          YOU, YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT EVERYONE FELT LIKE THINGS WERE MOVING IN A GREAT DIRECTION AND I, I COULDN'T BE MORE ENTHUSED, UH, FOR THEM. 
          UM, THAT EVENING. 
          I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE INDIA ASSOCIATION. 
          I KNOW MOST OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TO EVENTS OF THEIRS IN THE PAST. 
          UH, THIS WAS THEIR INDEPENDENCE DAY, SO HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY TO THEM. 
          AND THEN LAST, CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, SOMETIME DURING THE WEEK, ACTUALLY RIGHT AFTER OUR PRESIDENT'S MEETING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT'S MEETING THAT WE ATTENDED, UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, TO A JOINT MEETING OF THE METRO TECHS REALTORS, AS WELL AS IN NORTH DALLAS AREA REALTORS. 
          AGAIN, SO MUCH ENERGY, REALLY COOL, UM, SPOT THERE AT THE DRAWING BOARD. 
          I'M EMBARRASSED THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THERE BEFORE, BUT I GOT TO GO FOR THE FIRST TIME AND WAS INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED. 
          SO, UH, GREAT STUFF GOING ON IN THE CITY, UH, DESPITE WHATEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IN AUSTIN. 
          AND HOPEFULLY YOUR PRAYERS WILL BE HEARD IF, UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UM, WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS. 
          THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 8:43 PM.
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