* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.
          CALL 
          [00:00:01]
THIS MEETING IN THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM UH, I'LL NOW CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, UH, TO GIVE THE INVOCATION AND TO LEAD IN THE PLEDGES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          GOD, GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE, THE COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          [3. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 13, 2025 MEETING ]
I WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 13TH MEETING AS PUBLISHED COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM. 
          MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          WE'RE NOT IN RECEIPT OF ANY CARDS IN ADVANCE OF THE, UH, 5:00 PM DEADLINE. 
          AND, UH, MS. EMER IS INDICATING NO SPEAKERS. 
          ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT, UH, IS HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? OKAY. 
          SEEING 
          [5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE RICHARDSON FIRE DEPARTMENT STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN ]
NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE RICHARDSON FIRE DEPARTMENT STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN. 
          MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UH, CHIEF, UH, PUY HAS JOINED US ONCE AGAIN, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, CHIEF YOUNGER AND, UH, CHIEF CASKEY. 
          UM, WHAT WE'VE ASKED CHIEF OOEY TO DO TODAY IS, UH, TO PROVIDE A, AN UPDATE ON THE FIRE SERVICES MASTER PLAN. 
          ACTION ITEMS. UH, AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE CHIEF, UH, AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEGUN TO IMPLEMENT SEVERAL OF THE, UH, ACTION ITEMS THAT CAME OUT OF THE MASTER, UH, PLAN EFFORT THAT WAS, UH, CONCLUDED LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEN ALSO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON SOME THINKING THAT'S OCCURRED, UH, SINCE OUR LAST BRIEFING REGARDING, UH, AN IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE FOR, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, CAPITAL PROJECTS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UH, OTHER POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, UH, TO, UH, TO SUPPORT, UH, A FUTURE FIRE STATION, UH, SEVEN, AMBULANCE, SEVEN, ET CETERA. 
          SO, CHIEF, THANKS, UH, FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US TO THIS POINT TONIGHT FOR THE BRIEFING. 
          I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. 
          UH, COUNCIL, HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY. 
          GOT TWO RED LIGHTS NOW. 
          SWEET. 
          ALRIGHT, WE GOT GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, MR. MAGNER'S STAFF, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BRING THE FIRE MASTER PLAN BACK BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          AS A REVIEW ON JULY 28TH, I PRESENTED THE FIRST VERSION OF THE PLAN. 
          SINCE THEN, THE EXECUTIVE CHIEFS AND CMO TEAM HAVE REVISITED THE TIMELINES CONSIDERING ALL THE, UH, COUNCIL'S COMMENTS, UH, REVIEW OF THE CONSULTANTS REPORT, AND A DEEP DIVE INTO THE REALISTIC TIMELINES OF THE AREA DENSITY TO OCCUR. 
          UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS, UH, IN THE PAST ON THE LAST UPDATE, BUT THESE ARE ALL THE INITIATIVES THAT WERE UNDERWAY THAT WE'VE, UH, BEEN GOING THROUGH, UM, RECENTLY, AND ALL THE ONES WITH CHECK MARK ARE COMPLETE. 
          AND WE'VE GOT FOUR THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON TO COMPLETE THOSE, THOSE INITIATIVES. 
          UM, THE OTHERS, THE ONES THAT COME WITH A SIGNIFICANT, UH, FINANCIAL IMPACT, WE'VE, LIKE I SAID, GONE BACK THROUGH, REVISITED EVERYTHING, THE TIMELINES. 
          AND SO I WANT TO BASICALLY PUT IT TO YOU IN, IN THIS FORMAT, SHOWING YOU THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND THEN THE REVISED PLAN. 
          SO START OFF WITH, WITH TRUCK THREE, THAT WAS INITIALLY TO, UH, GO IN SERVICE IN FISCAL YEAR 30. 
          UH, OUR PLAN IS TO KEEP THAT AT THE SAME TIMELINE. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED WITH THAT WAS THE TRUCK DESIGN. 
          IF YOU RECALL, THE, UH, CONSULTANTS TALKED ABOUT A TRACTOR DRAWN APPARATUS, A TILLER, ONE OF THE BINS IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE OF ACCESS PIERCE. 
          OUR MANUFACTURER HAS NOW DEVELOPED, OR IS ACTUALLY BEEN OUT FOR A WHILE AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH IT, HAS DEVELOPED A SUSPENSION SYSTEM THAT HAS A MUCH GREATER TURNING RADIUS AND WILL ALLOW THE, UH, REGULAR TRUCKS TO GET US ACCESS INTO THESE SAME AREAS. 
          WITH THAT WE CAN GET THE SAME TYPE OF TRUCK THAT WE'RE, I HAVE ON ORDER RIGHT NOW FOR STATION FOUR. 
          AND IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT MID MOUNT TURNS IN THE MIDDLE OR THE, THE, THE LADDER IS MOUNTED IN THE MIDDLE, UH, BUT IT HAS A TOWER ON THE TOP OF IT. 
          A PLATFORM, UH, ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          EASIER RESCUE AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          PLUS IT'LL HAVE TWO TRUCKS THE SAME. 
          SO OUR PERSONNEL WILL BE, WE USED TO WORKING ON THE, THE SAME TYPE OF VEHICLES. 
          SO THAT'S THE 
          [00:05:01]
BIG CHANGE ON THAT IS THE TYPE OF THE TRUCK. 
          UM, ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES WE TALKED ABOUT A PEAK DEMAND AMBULANCE TO START IN FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          THE PLAN CALLS FOR NOW KEEPING THAT AMBULANCE AS A PEAK DEMAND TO OVERTIME PERSONNEL FOR 12 HOURS AT THE PEAK TIME OF THE DAY TO, UH, START IN FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          THE CHANGE WITH THAT, THAT IS TO TRANSFORM THAT INTO A FULL-TIME AMBULANCE WHEN NEEDED. 
          IT WAS PLANNED FOR WHEN WE OPENED STATION SEVEN. 
          NOW IT'S LOOKING MORE LIKE, UH, AND CHANGING THAT OVER IN A, UH, ANTICIPATED TIMEFRAME OF FISCAL YEAR 29. 
          AND THAT HELPS US A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, ON DOWN THE LINE, I'LL TALK ABOUT STATION SEVEN. 
          UH, IT WAS PLANNED IN THE 31 BOND ELECTION TO GO IN SERVICE IN 35. 
          THE, THE THINKING ON IN 35 WAS THAT TYPICALLY ON OUR, UH, FACILITY BUILDINGS, AND ESPECIALLY FIRE STATIONS, WHEN WE DO A BOND, NORMALLY THOSE ARE IN THE LAST PART OF THE BOND WHEN THOSE ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED. 
          SO, UM, WE, THAT WAS WORST CASE SCENARIO. 
          WHAT WE'VE GONE BACK AND GONNA REQUEST THAT. 
          AND FISCAL YEAR, UH, THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BOND ELECTION TO GO IN SERVICE IN FISCAL YEAR 33. 
          BY DOING THIS, WE WOULD SELL THE DEBT FOR THE DESIGN IN YEAR FOUR, HAVE IT SHOVEL READY FOR YEAR SIX, SELL THE DEBT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IN YEAR SIX, AND HAVE THAT THING IN SERVICE IN FISCAL YEAR 33. 
          SO THAT MOVED THAT UP SOME YEARS. 
          UH, STATION SEVEN PERSONNEL. 
          THAT WAS 21 FIREFIGHTERS TO BE HIRED IN FISCAL YEAR 33 'CAUSE WE GOT, GOTTA GET THEM TRAINED AND READY TO GO. 
          PUTTING THAT AMBULANCE IN SERVICE FULL-TIME AT 29 WILL MOVE SIX OF THOSE PERSONNEL BACK, UH, TO HIRE THOSE PERSONNEL IN 29. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD HIRE THE REMAINING 15 PERSONNEL IN 32 FOR ENGINE SEVEN AND THE STAFFING COVERAGE FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT HELPS SPREAD THE PERSONNEL OUT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, APPARATUS STORAGE BUILDING, UH, NO CHANGE ON THAT. 
          THAT WOULD BE REQUESTED IN, IN THE 26 BOND ELECTION STATION SIX REMODEL, NO CHANGE ON THAT. 
          UH, 26 BOND ELECTION. 
          EMS CAPTAINS AND INCIDENT SAFETY OFFICER, STILL REQUESTING THOSE IN FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          THOSE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, THE NEXT CHANGE AND LAST, THE FINAL CHANGE WOULD BE THE BATTALION CHIEFS FOR THE SECOND BATTALION, WHICH WOULD BE OUTTA STATION FIVE, UH, THREE BATTALION CHIEFS. 
          WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THOSE IN FISCAL YEAR 28. 
          I'D LIKE TO PUSH THOSE OUT, THE 30 AND BASICALLY PUT THEM IN SERVICE AT THE SAME TIME AS TRUCK THREE. 
          SO THAT PUSHES THEM OUT TWO YEARS. 
          UM, THAT'S REALLY THE CHANGES. 
          UH, THE BIG ONE WOULD BE THE STATION SEVEN AND THE, UH, THE AMBULANCE 37. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE FINANCIAL SHEET WE SHOWED YOU, I'VE SHORTENED IT TO, UH, END AND FISCAL YEAR 33 WITH THE OPENING OF STATION SIX. 
          AND EVERYTHING IS REFLECTED ON THERE AS FAR AS MOVING THE, THE PERSONAL PERSONNEL AROUND. 
          UM, FOR STATION SEVEN, THIS WILL OPEN UP AMBULANCE 37 AND THEN HIRING THE REST OF THE PERSONNEL OVER HERE THAT SPREADS THEM OUT. 
          SO THAT IS THE CHANGES. 
          NEXT STEPS. 
          I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          OH, GO, GO AHEAD. 
          NEXT STEPS. 
          THE, THE NEXT STEP IS SIMPLE IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT. 
          AND, UH, AT THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ON THE 10TH, AMY, I BELIEVE IT'S A COUPLE WEEKS AWAY, UH, WE WILL PUT A RESOLUTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ADOPTING THE FIRE MASTER PLAN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, MAYOR PRO TEM HUON WRITER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I REALLY LIKE THIS REVISION, ALL OF 'EM THAT YOU'VE MADE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A LOT MORE, UH, BETTER IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHERE I THINK WE'RE GONNA GROW. 
          UM, SO VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, WOULD WE, UM, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA KNOW LOCATION, I KNOW YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AND NEGOTIATING AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WOULD WE JUST TAKE OUT AN OPTION ON LAND AND WOULD WE BUY IT AT THE SAME TIME FOR STATION SEVEN? WOULD WE BUY IT WHEN WE START THE DESIGN? OR WOULD AT WHAT POINT, JUST PURELY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT NEEDING TO SECURE THE LAND? WE'RE WORKING ON THAT CURRENTLY, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE 3 MILLION SET ASIDE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OH YEAH. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD THAT SET ASIDE. 
          YES, YES, SIR. 
          UH, AS PART OF YOUR, UH, FY 26 BUDGET, UH, WE'LL BE OKAY. 
          WE RESERVED UP TO $3 MILLION FOR SERIES, UH, 2026 IN THE FORM OF A CEO FOR THE LAND ACQUISITION. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          OTHERWISE, I LIKE, I REALLY LIKE YOUR ADJUSTMENTS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK 
          [00:10:01]
YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          I THINK THIS IS RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMENTS WE MADE TO YOU LAST TIME. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS GETS YOU YOUR, UH, NEW STATION A LITTLE EARLIER THAN, THAN THE LAST PLAN. 
          AND SO MM-HMM . 
          UH, I'M GOOD WITH THIS. 
          UH, MR. MAGNER, AT SOME POINT WHEN WE START DISCUSSING QUARTERLY FINANCE, I'LL BE CURIOUS SORT OF ON THESE OPERATIONS CO OPERATION COSTS, CAN YOU BRING THAT BACK TO US AND REALLY TALK ABOUT SORT OF THE IMPACT OF ALL THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF OPERATION COST THAT COMES WITH THIS PLAN, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          WE NEED THE PERSONNEL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE BROADER IMPLICATIONS I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING. 
          YEP. 
          UM, FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, I JUST WANT A SECOND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE'S POINT ON THE OPERATIONS, IT'S, THAT IS THE SCARIEST PART OF THIS WHOLE THING. 
          AND AGAIN, YES SIR, NECESSARY, BUT, UH, WE DO WANNA, UH, DO WHAT WE CAN TO A, UNDERSTAND IT. 
          B, PUT A BRIGHTER LIGHT ON IT SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN UNDERSTAND IT AND ANY IMPLICATIONS THEY MAY HAVE AND AS IT RELATES TO OUR CAP AND ALL THE LACK OF FLEXIBILITY WE MAY HAVE, UH, IN COMING YEARS. 
          SO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHIEF, I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK ON WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE FROM THE, FROM THE LAST TIME WE SAW YOU. 
          UH, CAN YOU KIND OF JUST HELP REFRESH MY MIND REAL QUICK AND, UH, ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE AS FAR AS WHAT THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THE CHANGE WAS? THERE WAS CONCERN THAT, UH, THE, UH, STATION WAS TOO FAR OUT AND GETTING THAT IN SERVICE WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAD BEEN ZONED PLANNED AND THE DENSITY COMING, THAT THE DENSITY WAS GOING TO, UH, UH, BASICALLY BE IN PLAYED BEFORE, UM, THE STATION WAS BUILT. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT, UH, UM, RUNNING THE PEAK DEMAND AMBULANCE ON OVERTIME, BASICALLY NINE YEARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN ALSO THERE WAS, UM, UM, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS MAINLY ABOUT TIMELINES. 
          THAT SOUNDS FAIR VERSUS THE DENSITY. 
          THAT SOUNDS FAIR. 
          UM, ON THE, LET'S SEE, THERE WAS ONE QUESTION ON THE SLIDE THREE ADDITIONAL AMBULANCE TRA TRANSITION TO FULL-TIME WHEN NEEDED. 
          UH, AND THAT'S, I'M GUESSING JUST BASED ON CALL VOLUME OR I MEAN IF IT GETS, IF CALL RESPONSE TIME GETS OVER A CERTAIN NUMBER OR WHAT'S THE KIND OF DECIDING FACTOR WHEN SOMETHING IS NEEDED? IT'S MAINLY, SORRY. 
          IT'S MAINLY ABOUT CALL VOLUME AND THE TRENDS WE SEE COMING. 
          THIS AMBULANCE ALSO IS TO HELP COVER THE DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CALL VOLUME STATION, ONE IS OUT SO MUCH THAT STATION FOUR AND STATION TWO ARE HAVING TO EMPTY THEIR DISTRICTS AND COME IN. 
          AH. 
          SO THE PEAK DEMAND IS DESIGNED TO KEEP THOSE TWO AMBULANCES IN THEIR DISTRICT WHILE COVERING THIS ONE AND THEN EVENTUALLY MOVE 30 SEVENS FULL TIME UP THE STREET TO, UH, STATION SEVEN TO HELP BASICALLY TRIANGULATE THAT, THAT COVERAGE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CHIEF, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, EVERYTHING YOU DID AND THANK YOU FOR REFRESHING ME ON THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MAY I SAY ONE MORE THING, ? SURE, SURE. 
          I SAID THIS EARLIER, UH, THE DESIGN OF THIS ALSO IS WHEN WE BUILD A STATION, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FIRE APPARATUS AND AN AMBULANCE, RIGHT? SO THE FIRST PART OF THIS PLAN ADDS A FIRE APPARATUS AND AN AMBULANCE. 
          SO BASICALLY WE'RE ADDING A STATION FULL OF EQUIPMENT, WE'RE JUST NOT PUTTING IT IN A NEW HOUSE. 
          THEN THE SECOND PART IS TO TAKE A, ANOTHER FIRE APPARATUS IN A NEW BUILDING, ADD THAT OTHER AMBULANCE TO IT. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT, BUT THEN WE WILL MONITOR AT THAT TIME, DO WE NEED TO OPEN UP ANOTHER PEAK AMOUNT, SO POTENTIALLY ADD ANOTHER AMBULANCE. 
          SO TO GIVE THAT COMFORT OF THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT, WE'RE BASICALLY ADDING A STATION FULL OF EQUIPMENT RIGHT OFF THE BAT AS SOON AS WE CAN GET, GET IT IN AND , YOU KNOW, IT TAKES FOUR AND A HALF YEARS TO GET THE TRUCK. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ADDING THAT EQUIPMENT QUICKLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          [6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE 2026 WILDFLOWER! ARTS & MUSIC FESTIVAL]
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE 2026 WILDFLOWER ARTS AND MUSIC FESTIVAL. 
          MR. MAGNA. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, REALLY WANNA, UM, THANK YVONNE AND, UH, DIANA FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          THEY HAD A VERY LONG WEEKEND, ESPECIALLY SATURDAY. 
          UM, AND, UH, OF COURSE THE LEAK WHEAT, THE, THE WEEK LEADING UP TO, UH, HUFFINES YESTERDAY TURNED OUT TO BE AN AWESOME DAY. 
          AND IT WAS, UH, IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHY WE WE DO THESE COMMUNITY EVENTS. 
          UM, IF THIS FEELS LIKE IT'S RIGHT ON SCHEDULE, IT IS, UM, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THIS TIME EACH YEAR THAT WE COME TO YOU AND, AND, UH, TALK ABOUT, UH, THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TRY, UH, TRY OR TWEAK OR, UH, REFINE 
          [00:15:01]
WITH, UH, WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL. 
          WE'RE HEAVY INTO THE FINAL PLANNING STAGES FOR 2026, AND SO, UM, DIANA'S GONNA GO RUN THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE, UH, UPDATES TO SOME OF THE PROGRAMMING AND THEN TALK ABOUT, UH, TICKETING AND SCHEDULING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UH, AS, UH, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT BANDS, UM, FOR, UH, FOR 2026. 
          SO AGAIN, THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AFTER A VERY LONG WEEKEND AND, AND WEEK LEADING UP TO HUFFINES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INVITE TO COME TONIGHT AND SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE, UM, UPDATES ABOUT OUR 2026 WILDFLOWER ARTS AND MUSIC FESTIVAL. 
          UM, AS ALWAYS, OUR PURPOSE HERE IS TO PROVIDE THAT OVERVIEW OF THE FESTIVAL COMING UP IN MAY AND PRESENT SOME OF THOSE KEY UPDATES, UM, TO THE FINAL STAGES OF OUR EVENT PLANNING AND PREPARATION. 
          UH, TONIGHT WE'LL GO OVER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FESTIVAL DETAILS, OUR PLANNING AND PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE ESTABLISH EACH YEAR TO HOST THIS EVENT. 
          UM, SOME OF THE ANCILLARY PROGRAMS THAT WE HOST, UH, THE WEEKEND OF WILDFLOWER, AS WELL AS THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO IT, A LITTLE UPDATE ABOUT SOME SPONSORS, OUR TICKET STRATEGIES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AS WELL AS THIS UPCOMING YEAR, SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS GOING INTO 2026. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD? LOOKING FORWARD TO 2027. 
          THE FESTIVAL DETAILS FOR THIS YEAR, AS ALWAYS WILL BE HELD ON THE THIRD WEEKEND OF MAY. 
          OUR HOURS ARE FRIDAY, SIX TO 1130, SATURDAY NOON TO 1130, AND THEN SUNDAY 12 TO SIX. 
          UH, WE ARE HOSTED AT THE GALLATIN PARK URBAN CENTER, 2026. 
          WE WILL CELEBRATE OUR 34TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FESTIVAL. 
          WE'LL HAVE ABOUT 110 PERFORMANCES ON SIX DIFFERENT STAGES. 
          IT TAKES OVER A HUNDRED PLUS STAFF MEMBERS TO EXECUTE THE FESTIVAL AS WELL AS OVER 817 VOLUNTEERS. 
          AND OUR OPERATING BUDGET FOR 2026 IS A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION. 
          OUR PLANNING AND PARTNERSHIPS FOR THE EVENT, WE TAKES ABOUT 18 MONTHS FOR US TO TRULY PLAN OUT THE ENTIRE FESTIVAL. 
          EVERY DEPARTMENT IS ACTIVATED AND PARTICIPATES IN THE PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FESTIVAL. 
          WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH EIGHT, UM, PLUS PROPERTY PARTNERS TO HOST THE FESTIVAL AT GALLATIN PARK. 
          UM, IT ROUGHLY TAKES OUR STAFF BOOTS ON THE GROUND ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO SET UP FOR THE FESTIVAL, AND ABOUT THREE DAYS TO BREAK IT DOWN. 
          A LOT LONGER TO SET IT UP THAN TEAR IT DOWN. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE, WE, UM, TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING THAT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS BACK TO OPERATING, UM, LEVEL AS IT WAS BEFORE THE FESTIVAL FOR THOSE PROPERTY PARTNERS. 
          SOME OF OUR ANCILLARY PROGRAMS THAT WE HOST LEADING UP TO THE FESTIVAL AS WELL AS OVER THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND IS OUR WILDFLOWER ON, UH, WILDFLOWER ON WHEELS PROGRAM, WHICH WAS JUST REBRANDED AS WOW. 
          UM, THIS IS AN AMAZING COMMUNITY IMPACTED PROGRAM WHERE WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND ESSENTIALLY BRING THE ESSENCE OF WILDFLOWER TO THEM. 
          IN THE PAST, WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH HEROES, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND DIFFERENT RETIREMENT HOMES IN THE RICHARDSON COMMUNITY, AND THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE MONTH OF APRIL LEADING UP TO THE FESTIVAL. 
          WE ALSO ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HOST OUR BATTLE OF THE BAND'S COMPETITION, WHICH IS OPEN TO BANDS THAT HAVE MEMBERS 21 YEARS AND YOUNGER. 
          WE HOST A QUALIFYING ROUND PRIOR TO WILDFLOWER IN THE MONTH OF APRIL, WHERE WE SELECT THREE FINALISTS THAT WILL THEN GO ON TO PERFORM IN THE FINALS AT WILDFLOWER ON SUNDAY. 
          UM, AND THOSE TOP THREE BANDS ARE PERFORMING TO BE CROWNED AS THE WINNER OF THAT COMPETITION. 
          WE ALSO HOST A NATIONALLY KNOWN AWARD-WINNING, UM, AL JOHNSON PERFORMING SONGWRITER CONTEST AND WORKSHOP. 
          UH, THE CONTEST FINALS ARE HELD SATURDAY, UH, AT THE FESTIVAL ON OUR SINGER SONGWRITER STAGE. 
          LEADING UP TO THAT WE GARNER, UM, ANYWHERE UPWARDS TO 350 INDIVIDUALS APPLYING TO BE A PART OF THAT CONTEST. 
          A PANEL OF SCREENERS SELECT 10 FINALISTS THAT COME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          LAST YEAR WE HOSTED FINALISTS FROM VERMONT, SAN DIEGO, UH, NASHVILLE, FLORIDA. 
          SO THEY'RE COMING FROM ALL OVER. 
          UM, THOSE 10 FINALISTS WILL PERFORM IN THE FINALS WHERE WE WILL CROWN A GRAND PRIZE WINNER RUNNER UP AND A PEOPLE'S CHOICE AWARD. 
          WE ALSO HOST A SINGER SONGWRITER WORKSHOP IN CONJUNCTION WITH ONE OF OUR HOST HOTELS HERE IN RICHARDSON. 
          AND THAT'S HELD ON FRIDAY OF THE FESTIVAL STARTING AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT PROGRAM, WE ALSO HAVE OUR BUDDING TALENT VOCAL COMPETITION, WHICH IS A VOCAL DRIVEN COMPETITION FOR KINDER KINDERGARTNERS THROUGH 12TH GRADE. 
          UM, AUDITIONS ARE HELD AT OUR SENIOR CENTER IN THE MONTH LEADING UP TO THE FESTIVAL IN APRIL, WHERE THEY ESTABLISHED FINALISTS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND THEN THOSE FINALS TAKE PLACE AT THE FESTIVAL ON SUNDAY. 
          INSIDE THE EISMAN CENTER. 
          OUR PATTERSON AND ASSOCIATES PERFORMANCE ROW, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS LOCATED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE EISMAN CENTER, IS OUR WAY TO REALLY FOCUS ON DIFFERENT VARIETY OF ENTERTAINMENT AND DIVERSITY IN THE VISUAL ARTS SIDE OF WILDFLOWER. 
          AND THOSE PERFORMANCES TAKE PLACE ON EACH DAY OF THE FESTIVAL RIGHT THERE. 
          OUR WILDFLOWER KIDS AREA HAS HOSTED HANDS-ON ARTS AND CRAFTS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE RICHARDSON PUBLIC LIBRARY, OUR ROCKSTAR HAIRDOS AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE RICHARDSON SCHOOL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS FACE PAINTING AND DAILY PERFORMANCES ON OUR KID DRIVEN 
          [00:20:01]
STAGE IN THAT AREA. 
          WE ALSO HOST OUR PROSPERITY BANK MARKETPLACE, OUR, OUR ARTS AND CRAFTS VENDORS LOCATED IN THE HEART OF THE FESTIVAL. 
          EACH YEAR. 
          WE ACCEPT ABOUT 72 VENDORS OUT OF ABOUT 151 THAT APPLY TO BE A PART OF THE FESTIVAL. 
          WE ALSO HOST OUR ART GUITAR AUCTION INSIDE THE EISMAN CENTER, WHICH IS AN ONLINE AUCTION WHERE WE INVITE SPONSORS LOCAL ARTISAN TO RE-CREATE, TAKE GUITARS OR INSTRUMENTS AND MAKE THEM PIECES OF ART. 
          UM, WE AUCTION THOSE OFF THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND AND THE AUCTION WILL CLOSE ON SUNDAY AT THREE O'CLOCK ANNUALLY. 
          THAT PROGRAM RAISES ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO $15,000 FOR A COMMUNITY NETWORK AS WELL AS THE RICHARDSON ISD UM, ARTS PROGRAMS. WE ALSO HAVE HOSTED A CORNHOLE TOURNAMENT ON SATURDAY AT WILDFLOWER FROM TWO TO 4:00 PM UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT 20 TEAMS WILL PARTICIPATE IN THAT THROUGHOUT THE DAY. 
          ON SATURDAY THIS PAST YEAR, WE PARTNERED WITH THE, UM, RICHARDSON FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HOST OUR BEAT GOES ON COMMUNITY CPR TRAINING. 
          THAT WAS A FREE CPR TRAINING HOSTED INSIDE THE EISEN CENTER ON SATURDAY, UM, AT ONE O'CLOCK. 
          UM, AND WE HAD ROUGHLY ABOUT, I THINK 150 TO 200 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THAT. 
          SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL, UM, UNIQUE ANNUAL FEATURES OF THE FESTIVAL, UM, REALLY JUST VARIES ON BASED ON BUDGET, OUR STAFFING AND CREATIVITY OF THE TEAM THAT'S PRODUCING THE EVENT. 
          WE REALLY LOOK TO ATTEMPT TO BRING IN A NEW ELEMENT AND EXPERIENCE EACH YEAR. 
          THAT'S TRULY OUR GOAL ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY EVENTS IN THE CITY, IS THAT WE ARE KEEPING THE SAME GREAT PROGRAM EVERYONE HAS LEARNED TO LOVE, BUT ALSO HAVING A NEW TWIST AND TO ENTICE NEW ATTENDEES TO THE FESTIVAL. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE NEW PROGRAMS. FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR WE HOSTED OUR WONDER WALL COMMUNITY MURAL PROJECT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          THAT WAS A 30 FOOT MURAL THAT WAS SHOWCASED AT THE FESTIVAL THAT INDIVIDUALS COULD COME AND RECREATE THEIR OWN SMALL PORTION OR TILE. 
          AND THAT WAS, UM, ERECTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND. 
          AND ON SUNDAY, WE HAD A COMPLETE MURAL THAT SHOWCASED THE ESSENCE OF WILDFLOWER IN THE COMMUNITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, WE HAVE AN AMAZING EATS AND DRINKS PROGRAM AT THE FESTIVAL SITE WHERE WE HOST OUR CHLOE WINE GARDEN CRAFT BEER GARDEN DRE, AND ALSO OUR OVATION OF GALLATIN PARK FOOD COURT, WHICH, UM, SHOWCASES ABOUT ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20 DIFFERENT FOOD VENDORS WITH A VARIETY OF FOOD. 
          OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE TRULY THE HEARTBEAT OF THE FESTIVAL AND WE COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT THEM EACH AND EVERY YEAR. 
          UH, THIS PAST YEAR WE HAD ABOUT 817 INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTEERS, WHICH CORRELATES TO OVER 1700 POSITIONS AND OVER 6,000 TO 38 HOURS THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE VOLUNTEERING. 
          UM, A LOT OF THESE VOLUNTEERS ARE THERE ACTIVATED THE WEEKEND OF THE FESTIVAL AS WELL AS THE MONTH LEADING UP TO ASSISTING US ON EXECUTING PROGRAMMING AND JUST WORKING SIDE BY SIDE WITH US IN OUR OFFICE. 
          WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A, UH, A DEDICATED GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS, WHICH ARE LABELED OUR EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY KIND OF THE ARM OF OUR STAFF THAT HELP US MANAGE SOME OF THOSE ANCILLARY PROGRAMS THAT WE HOST AT WILDFLOWER. 
          UM, SOME OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES INCLUDE OUR AMBASSADOR PROGRAM, WHICH WORKS HAND IN HAND WITH OUR SPONSORS, OUR ARCHITECT AUCTION, BUDDING TALENT, VOCAL COMPETITION, BATTLE OF THE BANDS, OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS JUST PRE FESTIVAL SUPPORT IN GETTING THE EVENTS SET UP AND RUNNING. 
          WE LOVE TO, UM, WORK WITH SOME REALLY GREAT SPONSORS HERE IN THE RICHARDSON AND OUTLYING COMMUNITIES THAT SUPPORT WILDFLOWER YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          MANY OF OUR SPONSORS HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE FESTIVAL FOR 10 PLUS YEARS. 
          WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT. 
          SOME OF THOSE MAJOR SPONSORS INCLUDE METHODIST, RICHARDSON MEDICAL CENTER, TEXANS CREDIT UNION, UH, THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL, DART TOYOTA OF RICHARDSON AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, AND MANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT ONLY SPONSORS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO EXHIBITORS AT THE FESTIVAL ITSELF TOO AND WILL BE ON SITE. 
          I WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR TICKETING STRATEGIES. 
          THIS IS OUR STRATEGIES FROM 2025, HOWEVER, WE'RE LOOKING TO CARRY IT ON THROUGH 2026. 
          UM, WE ESSENTIALLY DO A TIERED TICKETING PROGRAM WHERE OUR LOWEST PRICE TICKETS ARE OFFERED RIGHT AT THE POINT OF WHEN WE ANNOUNCE OUR LINEUP THE SECOND WEEK IN FEBRUARY. 
          AND AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE EVENT, THOSE TICKET PRICES DO INCREASE. 
          UM, WE DO INDIVIDUAL DAY TICKETS FOR FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY WITH A DISCOUNTED PACKAGE FOR ALL THREE DAYS. 
          WE ALSO OFFER A THREE DAY DISCOUNTED VIP PACKAGE AS WELL AS INDIVIDUAL VIP PACKAGES, UH, INDIVIDUAL VIP TICKETS, UM, FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. 
          AND AS ALWAYS, WE DO HAVE OUR DISCOUNTED TICKET FOR OUR RICHARDSON RESIDENCE, WHICH IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, AND THEY CAN GO ONLINE AND PURCHASE THAT AT THAT $15 DISCOUNT RATE FOR 2026 RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME UPDATES AND CHANGES WE'LL BE IMPLEMENTING THIS YEAR. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO REBRAND OUR KIDS AREA TO BE MORE OF A FAMILY FOCUSED AREA, NOT SO MUCH JUST ON LITTLE KIDS, BUT REALLY LOOKING TO INCREASE OUR REACH TO OUR OLDER YOUTH AGE GROUPS, UM, AND CROSS INTO THAT KIND OF TEEN, TEEN AGE BRACKET, AS WELL AS ACTIVITIES THAT FAMILIES CAN PARTICIPATE TOGETHER. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE KEEPING OUR ROCKSTAR MAKEOVERS THAT ENCOURAGING ADULTS TO BE A PART OF THAT, UM, 
          [00:25:01]
CONTINUING OUR ARTS AND CRAFTS, BUT EXPANDING IT TO, IN, YOU KNOW, ARTS AND CRAFTS, HANDS ON ARTS AND CRAFTS THAT ADULTS MIGHT WANT TO PARTICIPATE, SUCH AS FRIENDSHIP BRACELET STATIONS. 
          WE'LL CONTINUE OUR KARAOKE, UM, STAGE THAT WE HAVE, BUT OPEN THAT UP TO FAMILIES TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL AS BRING BACK OUR COMMUNITY MURAL AND ADD A SILENT DISCO AND A RETRO ARCADE INSIDE OF OUR ICEMAN CENTER. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT MAKING SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO OUR ENTERTAINMENT SCHEDULE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE TIME BETWEEN OUR HEADLINERS ON OUR TWO STAGES, OUR METHODIST AND OUR TEXAN STAGE. 
          UM, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A 30 MINUTE DIFFERENT TIME START. 
          ONE WOULD ESSENTIALLY START AT NINE, ONE AT NINE 30. 
          WE'RE GONNA INCREASE THAT TO A 45 MINUTE TIME START. 
          SO ONE ESSENTIALLY AT 9 9 45 TO ALLOW FOR MORE AUDIENCE MOVEMENT FROM THOSE TWO STAGES. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO NOT GOING TO HAVE A PERFORMANCE IN HILL HALL ON FRIDAY, BUT WE WILL PROGRAM AND ACTIVATE THAT ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA MOVE OUR SINGER SONGWRITER SONG SWAP TO SATURDAY AFTER THE FINALISTS ARE ANNOUNCED, WE'RE LOOKING TO INCORPORATE A NEW GENRE OF MUSIC TO SUNDAY METHODIST STAGE, AS WELL AS MOVE OUR BATTLE OF THE BAND'S FINALS FROM THE METHODIST STAGE BACK TO THE TEXAN STAGE AND INCORPORATE A NEW FAN VOTING COMPONENT TO THAT TO REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT PARTICIPATION FROM OUR AUDIENCE IN THAT FINALS. 
          SOME OF THE TICKETING CHANGES WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT THIS YEAR, UM, WE'RE GONNA REVISE THE THREE DAY VIP PACKAGE FROM A TWO PERSON BUNDLE TO A ONE PERSON BUNDLE. 
          THAT CHANGE IS MORE A LOGISTICAL CHANGE WITH THE TICKETING PLATFORM THAT WE USED, WE LEARNED LAST YEAR WHEN WE WENT ON SALE WITH INDIVIDUAL VIP TICKETS, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR OUR CONSUMERS THAT IT WAS A TWO PERSON, UH, BUNDLE FOR THE THREE DAYS. 
          SO WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE THAT INDIVIDUAL THREE DAY DISCOUNT. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING TO OFFER FREE GENERAL ADMISSION TO SUNDAY, UM, AND MAKE SUNDAY A COMPLETELY FREE DAY FOR ALL OF OUR ATTENDEES. 
          AND OF COURSE THAT WILL THEN, UM, LOOK FOR US TO UPDATE OUR PRICING FOR OUR THREE-DAY PACKAGES. 
          AND SO WE'LL HAVE A NEW PRICING STRUCTURE, BUT THE PRICING STRUCTURE AS FAR AS INCREASING AS WE GET CLOSER, WE'LL STAY THE SAME. 
          SOME OF OUR MARKETING ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE'LL HAVE GOING INTO 2026, UM, WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO IMPLEMENT A COST NEUTRAL STRATEGIES BY REALLY LEVERAGING OUR INTERNAL STAFF-LED INITIATIVES, UM, LOOKING TO NOT NECESSARILY INCREASE OUR EXPENSES ON THE MARKETING SIDE, BUT REALLY CAPITALIZE ON ALL OF THOSE INTERNAL MARKETING COMMUNICATION TOOLS THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA LOOK TO EXPAND OUR OUTREACH TO REGIONAL MARKETS IN TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA TO REALLY DRIVE THOSE TICKET SALES AND INCREASE OUR INDIVIDUALS TRAVELING INTO THE FESTIVAL. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE MARKETS WOULD INCLUDE THE TULSA AREA, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, HOUSTON, AND THOSE OUTLYING MAJOR CITIES IN IN TEXAS. 
          SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS, UM, FOR WILDFLOWER IS WE ARE LOOKING TO ADMINISTER A COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY TO CAPTURE FEEDBACK, UM, IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. 
          UM, WE'LL THEN LOOK TO PRESENT THOSE SURVEY FINDINGS BACK TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING SOME ACTIONABLE, ACTIONABLE, ACTIONABLE, SORRY, RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THOSE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING TO SHARE SOME OPERATIONAL INSIGHTS FROM OUR NEIGHBORING AND COMPARABLE FESTIVALS FROM THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO. 
          WE'LL LOOK TO COLLABORATE WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL TO REALLY DEFINE A FUTURE VISION FOR THE FESTIVAL ITSELF AND UTILIZE TO GATHER SOME OF THAT INFORMATION TO REALLY DEVELOP A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR ENHANCING THE EXPERIENCE AND OUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES TOO. 
          AND THAT TIMELINE JUST KIND OF LAID OUT FOR YOU. 
          UM, THAT SURVEY WE'LL LOOK TO IMPLEMENT IN JANUARY, AND THAT'S OUR COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY IN MARCH. 
          WE'LL LOOK TO DO A COUNCIL BRIEFING WITH THAT DATA OVERVIEW AND KIND OF, UM, START THAT VISIONING PROCESS WITH YOU. 
          OF COURSE, MAY WE'LL HOST THE WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL THE THIRD WEEKEND, AND THEN IN JUNE WE'LL LOOK TO COME BACK WITH A COUNCIL BRIEFING WITH EVENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RADER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE TICKETING FOR JUST A MOMENT? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE IT, BUT SOMETHING CAUGHT MY EYE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MISTAKE OR RIGHT THERE MM-HMM . 
          IF I'M DOING THE MATH, IF I BOUGHT A FRIDAY VIP AND A SATURDAY VIP AND A SUNDAY VIP, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THE THREE DAY VIP. 
          IS THAT A MISTAKE? NO, NO, THAT'S ONE PERSON. 
          THE VIP IS TWO, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THIS PRICING STRUCTURE HERE, SIR, THAT THREE DAY VIP TRADITIONALLY, LIKE IN 2025, THAT $400 WAS FOR TWO INDIVIDUALS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS IS GOTCHA. 
          I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT OUR EXISTING PRICING STRUCTURE WAS. 
          WE WILL PRESENT NEW TICKETING PRICING, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT THREE DAY VIP NOW WILL BE FOR ONE PERSON. 
          IT WILL BE LESS THAN 400, BUT WE'LL STILL HAVE A COST SAVINGS FROM THE INDIVIDUAL PRICING. 
          SO SORRY FOR THAT CONFUSION. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT CLARIFIES THAT QUICKLY. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED, YOU SAID ON SUNDAY A NEW GENRE MM-HMM . 
          CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT IS? I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL US THE BANDS, BUT WHAT'S, YEAH. 
          WHAT'S THE GENRE? SO WE'VE TOSSED AROUND SEVERAL DIFFERENT IDEAS. 
          UM, NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT'S A, A NEW GENRE, 
          [00:30:01]
BUT JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR VARIETY OF OPTIONS, UM, AND REALLY BRINGING BACK SOME OF THOSE TRIBUTE BANDS THAT PEOPLE REALLY LOVE ON SUNDAY. 
          UM, AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY LOOKING TO POSSIBLY BRING IN, UM, YOU KNOW, A REGGAE ARTIST OR BRING IN, UM, SOME MORE INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE DON'T PROVIDE OVER THE FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND REALLY LOOK TO KIND OF SHOWCASE THAT TYPE OF MUSIC GENRE ON SUNDAY. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          ESPECIALLY, I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF, I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, MENTION TO ME OVER THE YEARS ABOUT THE TRIBUTE BANDS MM-HMM . 
          I KNOW THERE'S LIKE THE, THERE'S THE JOURNEY, THERE'S, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND THOSE OF US WHO HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF GRAY HAIR STILL KINDA LIKE THOSE BANDS. 
          AND, UH, SO I THINK THAT, I THINK THE TRIBUTE BANDS WOULD BE A, A, A GOOD WAY MAYBE TO, TO TO FILL IN SOME OF THAT ON SUNDAY. 
          'CAUSE THAT COULD BE A REALLY, REALLY POPULAR SO, BUT OVERALL, GREAT, GREAT JOB. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, APPRECIATE ALL THE STRATEGIES THAT YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          EXCUSE ME, DANA. 
          FIRST I WANNA SAY THE MURAL LAST YEAR. 
          I LOVED IT. 
          I PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT ADDITION. 
          SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE BRINGING THAT BACK. 
          UM, RETRO ARCADE. 
          I LOVE THAT IDEA. 
          . 
          UM, THE COUPLE QUESTIONS AROUND THE, UM, THE PRICING AND THE SUNDAY MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, I DO WANNA SAY LAST YEAR I MET A COUPLE PEOPLE. 
          IN FACT, ONE OF THE PEOPLE I WAS COMPETING AGAINST FOR ONE OF THE GUITARS, I RAN INTO THEM AND JUST WENT UP AND STARTED TALKING TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE WALKING AROUND WITH THE GUITAR. 
          AND IT WAS A COUPLE FROM SAN ANTONIO AND THAT WAS LIKE THE THIRD COUPLE I MET THAT DAY FROM SAN ANTONIO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I, I FOUND THAT FASCINATING. 
          WE GET SO MANY OUT OF TOWNERS. 
          'CAUSE I GUESS BEING HERE, I, I DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          I HEAR ABOUT IT, BUT THEN I WAS TALKING AND MEETING NEW PEOPLE LAST YEAR AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS FASCINATING. 
          UM, WHAT'S THE, THE THOUGHT BEHIND GOING FREE ON SUNDAY? LIKE HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT FROM A COST SAVINGS PERSPECTIVE IF THERE'S NO REVENUE IN THAT? ARE WE HOPING TO MAKE IT UP FOR REVENUE FROM WHAT WE GET ON THE VENDOR SIDE? IS THAT CORRECT? WE ARE, YES. 
          SO ONE OF, UM, ONE OF OUR LARGE REVENUE STREAMS IS OUR FOOD AND BEVERAGE THAT WE MAKE JUST OFF OF GENERAL FOOD AND BEVERAGE SALES WITHIN OUR VENDORS AND OUR ALCOHOL BOOSTS THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN, UM, WE BELIEVE INTERNALLY THAT BY INCREASING OUR AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUALS ON SITE WILL BE ABLE TO RECOUP WHAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD LOSE. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE THE TRUTH IN THE MATTER IS WE DON'T HAVE THOSE HIGH TICKET SALES ON SUNDAY THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE. 
          AND SO BY BEING ABLE TO KIND OF OPEN IT UP FOR FREE, WE'LL, IT'LL STILL BE A TICKETING SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DATA ON THE BACK END. 
          SO PEOPLE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TICKET THAT WE CAN SCAN AT THE GATE, BUT THEY CAN ACCESS THAT FOR FREE. 
          UM, WE TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT UP AND THAT FOOD AND BEVERAGE REVENUE THAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD BRING IN. 
          WELL, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UH, AS TIMES CHANGE AND NEEDS CHANGE, WE MUST CHANGE AS WELL ON THE BUSINESS SIDE. 
          SO I, I DO COMMEND YOU ON THAT. 
          UM, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS I'VE NOTICED THAT THERE WERE BIGGER BANDS ON THE STAGE. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONE BY THE FOUNTAIN VERSUS THE MAIN STAGE MM-HMM . 
          ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ACTS. 
          I WAS LIKE, WOW. 
          I WAS RUNNING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAGES AND I'M LIKE, THIS HAS A WAY BIGGER CROWD THAN THE MAIN STAGE DOES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS FIGURE OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S POPULAR AND IT'S KIND OF A CONSTANTLY MOVING TARGET, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT, DOING THE SURVEY, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE'S INPUT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO, TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY REPEAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS COMMENTS AND JUST SAY THANK YOU GUYS FOR EXPERIMENTING AND TRYING SOME NEW THINGS. 
          AND THEN ALSO COMING TO US WITH A VERY COMPREHENSIVE TIMELINE ON, HEY, LET'S, LET'S DO THIS ONE, LET'S EXPERIMENT AND LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATIVELY, PARKS AND COUNCIL JUST TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SEE WHAT WHAT CAN BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, IT'LL JUST BE, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR, FOR DOING THAT AND COMING TO US WITH THAT SPIRIT. 
          FOR SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          JUST ON THE, THE SUNDAY, UM, IS THAT JUST A THIS YEAR THING, UH, TO SEE IF YOU GET MORE ATTENDANCE? 'CAUSE I, I'M CURIOUS IF YOU BRING IN MORE TRIBUTE BANDS OR IF YOU BRING IN INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS WHO MAY BRING IN A NEW AUDIENCE TO, TO THE FESTIVAL IF THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO INCREASE TICKET SALES BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE HIT A MARKET THAT'S NOW REALLY INTERESTED IN ATTENDING ON SUNDAY. 
          SO IS THAT JUST A THIS YEAR THING AND THEN REASSESS? OR WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? ESSENTIALLY THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, IS TO IMPLEMENT THAT CHANGE THIS YEAR AND KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT IT POST FESTIVAL AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS. 
          UM, SOMETIMES THE UNFORTUNATE THING WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS IS YOU GOTTA TRY IT TO SEE IF IT WORKS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH DATA THAT YOU CAN GATHER FROM OTHER EVENTS, BUT EACH EVENT HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE 
          [00:35:01]
CHALLENGES. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE EVER REALLY DONE BEFORE, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE FESTIVAL, AT LEAST WITHIN MY TENURE. 
          UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, YOU KNOW, 20 SOME ODD YEARS AGO, BUT I THINK IT'S A NEW, A NEW COMMUNITY, A NEW ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ARE ALL OPERATING IN ON THE EVENT SIDE OF THINGS. 
          AND THIS WAS ONE RECOMMENDATION WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD REALLY TRY IT THIS YEAR AND SEE IF IT DOES GARNER MORE ATTENDANCE, UM, THEN THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE LOOKED TO IMPLEMENT EACH YEAR. 
          YEAH, NO, I, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THIS YEAR TO TEST IT OUT. 
          LIKE I SAID, MY, MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE WHAT IF YOU, YOU SORT OF BACK INTO, UH, TAPPING A MARKET THAT WE, WE DID, WE HAVEN'T TRADITIONALLY HIT, AND LIKE NOW WE'RE NOT SELLING TICKETS, BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 5,000 PEOPLE SHOWING UP BECAUSE WE'VE FOUND SOME AMAZING INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS OR SOMETHING WE'RE MISSING OUT THEN ON WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT DAY OF TICKET SALES. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          UH, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO SORT OF TAKE ALL THAT IN THAT DATA TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS JUST A ISSUE THING OR IF WE, WE HAVE WAYS OF MAYBE RE, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT SUNDAY WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I THINK ADAPTING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, GREAT WAY TO GO. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SHASU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SMOOTH, WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. 
          UH, AND I GOT COUPLE QUESTION. 
          ONE IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THIS YEAR. 
          SUNDAY IS HISTORICALLY LOW NUMBERS MM-HMM . 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IF WE GET SOMETHING FREE, WE DON'T REALLY APPRECIATE, WE DON'T SHOW UP MM-HMM . 
          BUT IF THERE IS A COST, WE TAKE CARE OF THAT THINGS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKED LIKE THIS YEAR. 
          UH, YOU THINK THAT IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU NEED TO ADD ANY SPECIAL THINGS TO BOOST SUNDAY BESIDES GIVING A FREE TICKET? MAYBE THAT WILL BRING THEM, UH, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, HOW ABOUT THE PARKING? IF YOU GET A FREE TICKET THEN, BUT YOU SPEND $10 ON THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, LIKE, THEN PEOPLE WILL THINK ABOUT, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING IT FREE, BUT THE PARKING IS COSTING ME SO MUCH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          JUST HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT OR SOMETHING? NEED TO BE STILL LOOKED AT IT? YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE DOWNSIDE OF OF CHARGING FOR PARKING IS THE INCREASE OF STAFFING AND RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO EX WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE THING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MITIGATE AND REALLY KEEP, YOU KNOW, A CLOSE EYE ON IS, UM, JUST THE OVERALL EXPENSES FOR THE FESTIVAL ITSELF WITH PERSONNEL AND THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO IT. 
          UM, IT'S AMAZING AND INCREDIBLE, EVEN WHEN YOU CREATE A, A, A, NOT A THRESHOLD, BUT A REQUIREMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS TO GO ONLINE AND PURCHASE OR SECURE TICKETS. 
          UM, SOMETIMES THAT'S A BARRIER FOR THEM NOT TO ATTEND, BUT THEY EVEN FEEL COMMITTED TO ATTEND BECAUSE THEY'VE GONE ON AND SECURED THAT. 
          UM, THE ONE THING TOO TO KEEP IN MIND IS WE WILL STILL HAVE OUR CAPACITY THRESHOLDS THAT WE'LL HAVE IN PLACE JUST FOR SECURITY REASONS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE OPERATING IN A VERY SAFE ZONE. 
          UM, SO WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE WOULD REQUIRE THE TICKETING FOR SUNDAY. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE HAVE NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK CHARGING FOR PARKING. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT THE VALUE IS STILL THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR INDIVIDUALS TO COME AND REALLY EXPERIENCE AND KIND OF ENJOY WHAT, WHAT WILDFLOWER HAS TO OFFER. 
          UM, AND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT AT A VERY LOW THRESHOLD AS FAR AS AN ADMISSION PRICE, I THINK IS INCENTIVE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO COME AND PARTICIPATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          JUST WANT TO KIND OF SECOND THAT. 
          YES. 
          THRILLED. 
          UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE SUNDAY MORE INTERESTING AND, AND, UH, TOTALLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, UH, SEEING WHAT THE RESULTS ARE FOR, FOR SUNDAY. 
          UM, ALSO APPRECIATE KIND OF YOU LAYING OUT THE PLAN AHEAD, UH, HOW YOU'RE GONNA BE BUILDING TOWARDS THAT AND, UH, HOW IT LOOKS LIKE FOR ALL INTENTS PURPOSES, BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH LEAD TIME THERE IS ON THIS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, PERHAPS MAKING SOME FAIRLY SERIOUS, UH, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND, AND, AND MOVEMENTS BASED ON THAT. 
          THE, THE SURVEYS AND ANY OF OUR COUNCIL DISCUSSION, UH, AS EARLY AS, UH, JUNE IT LOOKED LIKE, I THINK. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, IT'S GREAT TO SEE. 
          I APPRECIATE KIND OF ALL THE FORETHOUGHT, UH, ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO START WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND I'M ALSO JUST A BIG FAN OF ANY AND ALL DATA GATHERING. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING FROM A SURVEY PERSPECTIVE, I'D LOVE IF, AS, AS WE DO GO TO TICKET SALES AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT WE'RE, UH, CAPTURING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOES IT EVEN MATTER THE EARLY VERSUS LATE? DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, COME IN EARLY AND, AND, AND WHAT DO THOSE NUMBERS REALLY LOOK LIKE? SO AS WE, UM, UH, AS WE GO INTO THIS NEXT WILDFLOWER SEASON, UH, ALL OF THAT DATA CAPTURE WOULD BE JUST SUPER HELPFUL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE MOST INFORMED DECISIONS. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          [7. REVIEW AND DISCUSS COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE ]
UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          UH, REVIEW AND DISCUSS COUNSEL, RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, OUR CITY SECRETARY, AMY NEHMER AND I ARE GONNA PARTNER ON THIS PARTICULAR 
          [00:40:01]
BRIEFING. 
          UH, AMY IS GOING TO, UH, COVER SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, FOR YOUR RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. 
          I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'RE BASED ON, UH, TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF ALIGNMENT WITH THE CHARTER THAT WE CAN, AS WELL AS SOME INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU HEAR ME GIVE, UH, EVERY TIME WE HAVE A SPEAKER. 
          AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          UH, AFTER THAT, AMY'S GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO ME. 
          UM, I'VE HAD THE BENEFIT OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT SOME OF YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, AND SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. 
          SO I WILL GO, UM, I WILL TAKE, UH, ON THE, THE DUTY OF FACILITATING A DISCUSSION, UM, AROUND, UH, THOSE TOPICS. 
          WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UH, I'M GONNA HANDLE THAT LIKE WE HANDLED THE, THE CHARTER REVIEW, WHERE WE GO OVER EACH SECTION, UM, AS WE GET TO A SECTION, IF IT WAS A SECTION THAT YOU PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION OR THAT YOU ASKED, UM, THAT I MAKE SURE WE DISCUSS, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON, UM, ON SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD BE WELCOMED OR IF, UM, IF YOU NEED ME TO BACKSTOP IT AND KIND OF FILL IN SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE GAPS, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, AMY, UH, THIS, AND AGAIN, MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS IS, UH, ALONG WITH THE BOARD AND COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          WE'LL HAVE IN A SECOND. 
          THESE ARE TWO OF THE TOP, UM, TACTICS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, MAKING SURE WE ACCOMPLISH AND COMPLETE BEFORE THE, UH, TH THANK, UH, THANKSGIVING BREAK. 
          AND SO, UH, AMY, THANKS FOR HELPING PUT THIS TOGETHER AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO START OFF WITH THE BRIEFING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAGNER. 
          UM, AS HE SAID, I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR COUNSEL TACTICS. 
          SO THIS REVIEW ALIGNS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL GOAL HERE, AND THE TACTIC IS TO DOCUMENT AND CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE BUSINESS PROCESSES. 
          BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, I DID WANNA REMIND YOU OF YOUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT AND YOUR, THE ROLE OF COUNCIL. 
          UM, BECAUSE THESE TWO, UM, STATEMENTS FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR GOALS DOES HELP TO SHAPE YOUR COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE. 
          UM, SO AS SUMMARY, THE COUNCIL SERVES AS TRANSPARENT, ETHICAL ADVOCATES FOR THE COMMUNITY, LISTENING TO RESIDENTS SETTING DIRECTION FOR THE CITY'S FUTURE, AND SUPPORTING STAFF WITH GUIDANCE AND RESOURCES TO BRING THAT VISION TO LIFE. 
          AND THEN YOUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. 
          STATE THAT YOU'LL WORK TO THE BEST INTEREST OF YOUR RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS. 
          KEEP YOUR DISCUSSIONS RELEVANT AND PRODUCTIVE AND INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER RESPECTFULLY, PROFESSIONALLY, AND EFFICIENTLY, AND HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE. 
          SO TONIGHT I'LL GIVE YOU THE HISTORY OF THE RULES OF ORDER, AND THEN I WILL WALK THROUGH OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO DON AND HE WILL FACILITATE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ON THE FEEDBACK THAT, THAT YOU GAVE TO HIM. 
          SO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE WERE DEVELOPED DURING THE 20 23, 20 25 COUNCIL TERM UNDER THE SAME GOAL OF DOCUMENTING AND CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVING BUSINESS PROCESSES. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, UNDER THE COUNCIL STRATEGY TO EXPLORE THE CODIFICATION OF PROCESSES IN RELATION TO COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS. 
          AS WE DEVELOPED THE PROCEDURES, WE CONSIDERED FEEDBACK RECEIVED DURING THE GOAL SETTING PROCESS, ALSO CITY CHARTER COMPLIANCE, STATE LAW COMPLIANCE, AND THEN THE CITY'S PRACTICE, AND THEN ALSO COUNCIL POLICY AND LOCAL OR COMMON PRACTICE FROM OTHER CITIES. 
          THE RULES WERE PRESENTED IN 2024 AND ADOPTED IN 2024, FEBRUARY OF 24, WITH A REVIEW PROCESS PUT IN PLACE TO BE IN COORDINATION WITH A BIENNIAL REVIEW OF THE CODE OF ETHICS. 
          AND I DID PUT, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU A COPY OF THE RULES AND PROCEDURES SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES. 
          SO FOR OUR FIRST, UH, WELL FIRST LET ME TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE FORMAT OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO, UM, THE CHART LISTING THE SECTIONS AT THE TOP OF EACH SLIDE INDICATES WHEN THE AUTHORITY IS GIVEN BY CHARTER OR STATE LAW, OR IF IT'S A CORE PRACTICE OR COMMON PRACTICE. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WORDING FOR SECTIONS 1.1 AND 1.2 COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY CHARTER. 
          AND THIS IS THE FORMAT THAT WE USED WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THE, THE, UH, RULES OF PROCEDURE. 
          AND THAT'S SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH SECTIONS YOU HAVE MORE DISCRETION IN. 
          SO FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE WILL USE THE STRIKE THROUGH METHOD AND THE RED HIGHLIGHT FEATURE. 
          SO FOR SECTION 1.3, WE RECOMMEND CHANGING THE TITLE SO THAT IT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY CHARTER DEFINITION FROM ARTICLE THREE, WHICH STATES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL INCLUDES THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          WE CLARIFIED THIS THROUGHOUT THE SECTION, AND WE ALSO ADDED POLITICAL OR PARTISAN ACTIVITIES TO THAT STATEMENT. 
          IN SECTION 1.4 B, WE WOULD REMOVE THE EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THE, UH, COUNCIL LIAISON FOR THE CIEC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THAT'S IRRELEVANT. 
          ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THESE SECTIONS? YES, MAYOR BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          AMY, ARE WE GONNA BE DISCUSSING AFTER EACH RECOMMENDATION, OR ARE WE GONNA GO THROUGH, I GUESS SO IS, I'M ASSUMING, BECAUSE YOU PAUSED, WE'RE GONNA DO IT ONE PIECE AT A TIME. 
          YES. 
          IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS HERE. 
          SO ON THIS ONE, UM, 1.3. 
          1.3, YES. 
          [00:45:01]
THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL, UH, ACTING AIR PARTICIPATE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S LIMITED. 
          THOSE INSTANCE WITH THE MAYOR HAS FORMALLY DESIGNATED A COUNCIL MEMBER, A CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE MATTER. 
          SO I'M, I GUESS THAT'S ON OUR APPOINTMENTS OR WHAT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE THAT PART MAYBE NEEDS SOME CLARIFYING ON WHAT WE'RE BEING LIMITED TO DO. 
          AND THEN IN POLITICAL OR PARTISAN ACTIVITIES. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION RECENTLY WHEN I ATTENDED AN EVENT THAT, UM, SOME PEOPLE SAID, WELL, THAT YOU ATTENDED, I WENT TO A LABOR DAY EVENT AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS AROUND ME ATTENDING A PARTISAN EVENT. 
          UM, AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, LABOR DAY, IT WAS A NONPARTISAN, UH, UNION, AND THEY WERE LEFT AND RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT SO THAT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS DON'T POP UP AGAIN. 
          SO, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS 1.3, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SUFFICIENTLY 1.3 NEEDS TO BE READ IN CONJUNCTION WITH 1.2. 
          THE PART THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT WOULD BE WHERE, UM, THE MAYOR OR THE MAYOR PRO TEM WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE AND THEY WOULD BE ASKING ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER TO FILL IN FOR, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN 1.2, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINED THERE. 
          SO THAT PARTICULAR PIECE IS BUILDING ON 1.2. 
          THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, AND I KNOW WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IN THE PAST. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS' THOUGHTS ON THAT, IF WE NEED TO FURTHER DEFINE THAT POLITICAL OR PARTISAN ACTIVITY, AND IF THAT ENCOMPASSES THE SPIRIT BEHIND WHICH THAT IS DONE BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT LABOR DAY EVENT WHERE I WAS BROUGHT INTO QUESTION FOR THAT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION YOU JUST MADE ABOUT 1.2 WITH THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILMAN BARRIOS HAD. 
          I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE THERE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, YOU KNOW, PURSUANT TO 1.2 UNDERSTOOD ACTING OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST TO HELP CLARIFY THAT SO THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE MEAN THERE. 
          UM, AND I'M, I'M OKAY ADDING POLITICAL OR PARTISAN ACTIVITY. 
          I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS HOW DO WE DEFINE THAT? RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADDED. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS ABOUT HOW THAT SHOULD BE DEFINED. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S PARTISAN ACTIVITY IS CLEAR, I WOULD THINK, UM, AS IS A POLITICAL ACTIVITY. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDED DEFINITION, I'D CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADD THAT HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          I JUST, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, THINK IT'S PRETTY, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIS UM, SUPER DISAGREEING ON, ON ANY OF THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IF YOU DO ANYTHING WHERE YOU ARE NOT DESIGNATED AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL. 
          YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTING THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, NOR ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN ADD AND REMOVE THINGS TO THIS LIST, BUT THAT'S, TO ME, IT READS VERY SELF-EXPLANATORY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT WASN'T, YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM HUT. 
          RAD . 
          THAT WAS AN AWKWARD PAUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE CONCERN THAT I HEARD ABOUT THE POLITICAL PARTISAN ACTIVITIES, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT REPRESENTING THE CITY COUNCIL, THEN SHOULD YOU BE WEARING CITY COUNCIL ATTIRE? AND, AND THAT, THAT IS WHERE THE CONCERN THAT I HEARD WAS BROUGHT UP. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO A POLITICAL OR A PARTISAN ACTIVITY SHOULD, AND, AND YOU'RE NOT OFFICIALLY REPRESENTING THE CITY, SHOULD YOU BE WEARING CITY ATTIRE. 
          THAT THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S, AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED AND CLARIFIED. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE IN, I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE IN HERE. 
          I'M GUESSING IT GETS PICKED UP HERE. 
          UH, I I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THIS DISCUSSION FOR SURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO THIS, THERE'S NOT ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THE, IN THE RULES OF ORDER PROCEDURE UNLESS WE CREATED A, UNLESS WE CREATED A NEW SECTION. 
          AND, AND I THINK IT'S THE, AND I THINK IT'S THE QUESTION OVERALL OF WHEN SHOULD WE WEAR OUR CITY? YOU KNOW, THIS SPECIFICALLY SAYS CITY COUNCIL AND, AND, AND OUR, AND OUR, AND OUR NAMES ON IT. 
          OR WE WEAR OUR, UM, NAME BADGES, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. 
          I MEAN, CERTAINLY IF WE'RE WITHIN THE CITY, IF WE'RE GOING TO A RIBBON CUTTING, WE'RE GOING TO THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, CERTAINLY 100%. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO A POLITICAL OR A PARTISAN ACTIVITY, IT, IT, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE THEN ENDORSING WHATEVER IS OCCURRING AT THAT POLITICAL OR PARTISAN ACTIVITY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE QUESTION COMES IN. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I APOLOGIZE IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          WE'VE GOT THE STAFF ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED, BUT THEN WE SEPARATELY DO HAVE SOME OF THESE DEEPER DIVES INTO THINGS, INCLUDING THIS ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          SHOULD, IS THE INTENT AT THIS STAGE OF THIS PARTICULAR MEETING TO JUST TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC STAFF REQUESTS? IT, IT IS AND YES. 
          YES. 
          MAYOR, I'M SORRY. 
          IT 
          [00:50:01]
ABSOLUTELY IS. 
          I MEAN, IT, I I, I SEE HOW THESE ARE ALL VERY RELATED TO THE WORD POLITICAL AND PARTISAN, SO IT'S NOT INAPPROPRIATE TO BRING 'EM UP NOW, BUT WE DO INTEND TO COME BACK TO, TO THAT DISCUSSION. 
          TO YOUR POINT, SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF WHAT AMY IS PRESENTING TO US NOW, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS GUIDANCE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF THE CLARIFICATION OF LANGUAGE MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S BEING BEEN USED HERE. 
          YEP. 
          UM, THIS DOES NOT PUT A PIN IN 1.3. 
          UH, UH, SO WE CAN, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER SWING AT THIS, BUT JUST FOR NOW, IT'S JUST THE CLARIFICATION FOR I THINK CONSISTENCY AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING, RIGHT? YES. 
          WHEN I HAND IT OVER TO DON, THAT'S WHEN HE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE SAME SECTIONS. 
          SURE. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN WE CAN ADD SOME SPICE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, DO YOU WANNA HOLD YOUR DISCUSSION ON, UH, THREE UNTIL THEN? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO BE, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ALSO, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH AND GO INTO THE WEEDS OF THIS TONIGHT. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA GET THE . 
          NO, WE ARE, WE ARE, BUT RIGHT THIS MOMENT WE'RE JUST TAKING, UH, AMY AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON WORDING THAT I BELIEVE WILL MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER A LITTLE BIT LATER. 
          UH, UH, DOWN LOWER IN OUR PRESENTATION, WE ACTUALLY GO OVER 1.3 AND THEN WE WILL BE IN THE WEEDS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE SO DESIRE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT CLARIFY. 
          COUNCIL COUNCILMAN, ARE YOU OKAY OR IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONSISTENT WORDING THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT? NO, I MEAN, LOOKS LIKE THE DISCUSSION WAS GOING DIFFERENT IN WAYS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'LL GO INTO IT MUCH DEEPER IN A MOMENT, BUT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MAYBE A COUPLE HOURS DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, POTENTIALLY . 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD THEN WITH YOUR LANGUAGE ADJUSTMENT FOR NOW. 
          AND WE MAY NEED MORE EDITING TO 1.3 A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT FOR NOW ON YOUR PART, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          MOVING ON TO SECTION TWO. 
          THE ONLY STAFF RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE HERE IS TO CODIFY OUR CURRENT PRACTICE OF PLACING ITEMS THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY RESULTED IN A SPLIT VOTE. 
          UM, ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA THEY WOULD BE ON FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION INSTEAD OF ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THREE, WE HAD NO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          FOUR, WE RECEIVED NO STAFF OR COUNCIL FEEDBACK. 
          AND THEN FOR FIVE, UH, THIS IS A LONG, LONG SECTION. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS HERE ON THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES. 
          SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION, UH, PERTAINS TO THE ONLINE SUBMISSION OF PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS. 
          THE CURRENT DEADLINE IS 5:00 PM AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE THAT DEADLINE UP TO 4:00 PM UH, WE FEEL LIKE THIS GIVES ADEQUATE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO SUBMIT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AS WELL AS IT GIVES STAFF ADEQUATE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE COPIES FOR COUNSEL FOR THE MEETING. 
          UNDER SECTION 5.5 TIME LIMITS, WE REWROTE THIS SECTION FOR CLARITY REGARDING THE 30 MINUTE TIMEFRAME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          IT'S, UH, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ALL COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS WILL BE HEARD REGARDLESS OF THE 30 MINUTE TIMEFRAME, SO THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW. 
          UM, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE FOUR O'CLOCK, AND I'M SAYING THIS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC, I, I UNDERSTAND IT THE WAY YOU'VE INTENDED IT, BUT UH, THE FOUR O'CLOCK ADJUSTMENT JUST GIVES STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL HAS SOMETHING PRINTED WITH ALL OF THOSE WORDS ON IT, UH, VERSUS PRESSING TIME BETWEEN 5:00 PM AND THE TIME WE START. 
          UH, BUT IT STILL ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK IF THEY SO WANT TO, AND THEY CAN STILL FILL OUT A CARD WHEN THEY COME OUT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY, NEXT, IN SECTIONS 5.8 AND FIVE 10, WE ADDED THE VERBIAGE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS THAT MR. MAGNA READS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, SO THAT THESE ARE CODIFIED IN THE RULES OF ORDER. 
          AND THAT'S REGARDING, UH, AFFIRMING OR PROPOSED OPPOSING ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. 
          AND THEN THE AUDIENCE, UM, IS TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUSE AND, AND OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR, UH, OPPOSITION. 
          UH, WE ALSO CHANGED THE BULLET NUMBERING THERE AT SECTION FIVE 10 TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE FORMATTING AND THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS OR COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON SECTION SIX. 
          AND NOW, MAYOR, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DAWN TO FACILITATE DISCUSSION ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU, YOU PROVIDED HIM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT THE REMOTE OVER THERE? I DO. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          GREAT. 
          SO, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, AS I MENTIONED, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL APPROACH THIS MUCH LIKE WE DID, UH, WHEN WE WALK THROUGH THE CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, I WILL GIVE JUST KIND OF AN, UH, A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR ANY FURTHER CONSIDERATION. 
          SO I WILL START WITH 1.2, UH, HERE. 
          UM, THE COMMENT OR INTEREST WAS AROUND CONSIDERING ENTITLEMENT, UH, OF THE SECTION TO, UH, BETTER AC ACCURATELY REFLECT, UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT IT'S TRYING TO COMMUNICATE. 
          AND SO, UH, MAYOR, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DISCUSS. 
          YEAH, I'LL DISCUSSION. 
          JUST, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, THAT THAT WAS MY INTENTION, BUT CONSIDERING THE WHOLE IDEA OF TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, I'M GONNA DROP THAT AS A, AS A TOPIC, MAYBE JUST A SET A SPEED LIMIT ON AT 
          [00:55:01]
LEAST ONE OF THEM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THE NEXT SECTION IS SECTION 1.3. 
          UH, MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, EARLIER, COMING BACK TO THIS, UM, THERE WAS THE, UM, FEEDBACK AROUND, UH, THE, UH, IDEA OF, UH, WHEN IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR COUNCIL TO WEAR CITY PROVIDED ATTIRE THAT IDENTIFIES THEM AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WHETHER IT BE A SHIRT OR A BADGE, UM, OR, UM, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, THE, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, YOU'D HIT ON ONE AS WELL IS JUST, UH, DEFINING WHAT IS, UH, POLITICAL ACTIVITY OR PARTISAN ACTIVITY, WAS THE OTHER PIECE OF FEEDBACK. 
          AND AGAIN, 1.3 HERE IS THE EXISTING, NOT THE, UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA BE PRESUMPTUOUS, SO IT'S THE EXISTING, NOT THE, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGE LANGUAGE. 
          SO THIS IS A GREAT, GREAT TIME TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON SOME OF THE PARTICULARS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE SOME DESIRE FOR CLARIFICATION ON, UH, PARTISANSHIP OF, UH, PARTISAN PARTISANSHIP OF A MEETING THAT YOU'RE ATTENDING. 
          AND THEN SEPARATELY, UM, JUST WHAT WE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, BADGES THAT IDENTIFY US. 
          AND, AND I'D GO AS FAR AS SAYING, DOES, DOES THE PIN ITSELF ALSO, OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER, THE LARGER, UH, ICONIC THING? SO MAYOR, JUST TO, I WENT AHEAD AND WENT BACK TO THE EDITING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND YEAH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, UM, COUNCILMAN HUT WRITER'S POINT EARLIER. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT, AND, AND COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AS WELL. 
          I AGREE. 
          I AGREE IS WRITTEN, I THINK THAT IT, IT IS FINE ADDING WHAT WE WANNA ADD HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WORDSMITH THIS ALL NIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS PRETTY CLEAR WHAT IT SAYS AND WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU'RE WEARING. 
          I MEAN, IT INDICATES HERE THAT IF YOU GO AND YOU'RE NOT, UH, YOU'RE ACTING IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER RATHER THAN ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND SO, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE REALLY GONNA POLICE WHAT PEOPLE WEAR TO THINGS? YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S DANGEROUS. 
          IF THE CONCERN OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY IS, UM, THAT A NON-PARTISAN MEMBER OF THIS BAR BODY GOES TO A PARTISAN EVENT AND THEIR INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER CAPACITY, THEN THAT'S FOR THE, I I WOULD SAY THAT ARGUABLY THAT'S FOR THE VOTER AND THE PUBLIC TO DECIDE THAT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE VERSUS US SIT UP HERE AND SPLIT HAIRS ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THIS LANGUAGE. 
          THESE ARE OUR RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. 
          YOU'RE ACTING IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY. 
          SO I, I WOULD SAY, UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER GOES AND STARTS SORT OF ATTEMPTING TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR SOMETHING AND ACTUALLY VIOLATE THIS RULE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE POLICE IT, TO YOUR POINT. 
          IS IT THE PEN? IS IT JUST WEARING ANYTHING THAT HAS THE LOGO? UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT AS THIS IS WRITTEN, WE HAVE GUARD GUARDRAILS HERE. 
          AND IF THE PUBLIC IS NOT HAPPY THAT SOMEONE WENT AND APPEARED IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AT A PARTISAN EVENT, THEN THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC TO SORT OF TAKE ACTION ON, UM, UH, FOR ME THAT, THAT RESOLVES IT. 
          AND THIS, THIS IS CLEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AS, AS UPDATED MAYOR TEM HUTCHEN MATTER. 
          YEAH, I, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT I THINK THE WORDING IS CLEAR, BUT I DISAGREE IN THAT IF THE, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE SHOW UP AND WE'RE WEARING OUR CITY ATTIRE, IF I CAN USE THAT TERMINOLOGY, UM, THEY FEEL LIKE THAT. 
          THEN THERE, THERE WAS, I, I RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS. 
          A LOT OF THEM, MY TEXTS, UH, STREAM BLEW UP, UM, WITH ONE PARTICULAR EVENT. 
          UM, AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WAS WEARING THE, THEIR, THEIR CITY COUNCIL, UM, CLOTHING, IF YOU WILL. 
          UM, SO I, I, I, I THINK AS FAR AS POLICING IT, I THINK WE HAVE TO SELF POLICE OURSELVES. 
          IF WE, IF WE, IF WE ESTABLISH THAT WE SAY WHEN WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN AN ACTIVITY THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'LL USE THE WORDS RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY, UM, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WEAR OUR, OUR, UM, CLOTHING. 
          BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M NOT, I MEAN, ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO GO TO ANYTHING THEY WANT TO, IT'S JUST, IT, IT DOES CAUSE CONFUSION BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TEXTS I RECEIVED ON THAT MORNING THAT IT WAS, IT WAS BELIEVED THAT WE AS A CITY OR THAT THE COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTING THIS, WHAT THEY, THEY VIEWED. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M JUST REPEATING WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS COMING ACROSS ON MY TEXT, UM, THAT IT WAS A PARTISAN ACTIVITY, THAT IT WAS A POLITICAL ACTIVITY, AND THAT WE AS A CITY COUNCIL IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, WERE, WERE SUPPORTING IT. 
          UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, THEIR MOTIVATIONS, WHY THEY WIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S CLEANER THAT IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO AN EVENT THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT IS FORMALLY RECOGNIZED, THEN SURE WHERE ALL THE, WHERE ALL THE CLOTHING YOU WANT. 
          IF IT'S NOT, THEN I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE, THE CLOTHING STAY OUT OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SAMSO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          I DO AGREE THAT WHATEVER IS WRITTEN THERE IS VERY CLEAR, VERY STILL EXPLANATORY. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, ALSO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE GET ELECTED AND THEN SWORN IN, HE AND OR HE OR SHE'S 
          [01:00:01]
ALWAYS THE COUNCIL MEMBER UNTIL RETIRE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU WEAR, WHAT YOU DON'T WEAR, UH, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THAT PERSON WILL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THE WATER WILL CHOOSE WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO REELECT THAT PERSON, WHETHER HE'S WEARING THE CITY T-SHIRTS OR NOT WEARING ANY T-SHIRT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM. 
          UH, WE CAN'T CONTROL ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GET, YOU KNOW, TO TO OUTSIDE, I SHOW MY FACE OUT THERE THAT, THAT MEAN THAT I HAVE TO WEAR A MASK TO GO SAY THAT, HEY, I'M NOT A CITY COUNCIL. 
          I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO HIDE MYSELF TO BE IN PARTISAN, UH, ACTIVITY. 
          SO INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM NEED TO BE RESPECTED AND, UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY WEAR, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE AS LONG AS WE ACT ACCORDINGLY SAID THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL DECISION. 
          ONE DECISION, NOT THE COUNCIL DECISION, THAT KIND OF THINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID THAT THIS IS THE COUNCIL DECISION, BUT WHEREAS IT WAS NOT, THEN WE CAN HOLD THAT PERSON RESPONSIBLE THAT, OKAY, YOU ARE WHAT YOU HAVE SAID OUTSIDE, OR, UH, DO OUTSIDE. 
          THAT'S NOT ACCORDING TO OUR PROCEDURE. 
          BUT WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE EVEN THINKING ABOUT WHO SHOULD WEAR WHAT. 
          UH, I THINK WE SHOULD RESPECT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO, UM, FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE WATCHING THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, I REFERENCED IT EARLIER, BUT TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON LABOR DAY, I ATTENDED A, UH, A-F-L-C-I-O LABOR DAY BREAKFAST. 
          UM, IT WAS A NON-PARTISAN EVENT THAT WAS IN DALLAS COUNTY. 
          SURE. 
          DALLAS COUNTY IS PREDOMINANTLY DEMOCRATS, THEREFORE, THE ROOM WAS ABOUT 85% DEMOCRATS. 
          IF I WERE IN HUNT COUNTY OR COLLIN COUNTY OR TARRANT COUNTY, THAT BLUE RED NEVER WOULD CHANGE. 
          AS THE POLITICS OF THE AREA CHANGES, I WORE A CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, SHIRT WITH MY NAME ON IT. 
          AND THE REALITY IS, SOME OF OUR BIGGEST PARTNERS WERE THERE IN THAT ROOM. 
          AT AND T IS A UNION COMPANY. 
          THEY ARE IN RICHARDSON, OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE A-F-L-C-I-O. 
          SO, UM, THE, I DO NOT SEE THAT AS A, AS A PARTISAN EVENT, BUT REGARDLESS, THE POLITICAL AND PARTISAN, I AGREE, I, I THINK THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN THESE DAYS, THE, I THINK THE WATER'S ROMAN MONEY AND WHAT'S A POLITICAL EVENT? WHAT'S A NON POLITICAL EVENT? THE, UM, I WILL SAY THAT I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE ABOUT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I COME AT THIS DIOCESE, I DON'T STOP BEING A FATHER. 
          I DON'T STOP BEING A METHODIST OR A PERSON OF FAITH. 
          I DON'T, WHEN I LEAVE THIS DIOCESE, I DON'T STOP BEING A COUNCILMAN WHEN I'M OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHEN I'M AT KROGER AFTER COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I'M TRYING TO GET EGGS FOR THE MORNING, AND I GET STOPPED, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A NOT A COUNCILMAN. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL A COUNCILMAN WHEN I GET STOPPED AT KROGER AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          THAT IS JUST, THAT'S A PART OF THE ROLE THAT WE SIGN UP FOR. 
          SO I THINK THAT SPLITTING HAIRS, I BELIEVE IS WHAT SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER. 
          IT GETS REALLY HARD TO DEFINE WHERE THAT STOPS AND WHERE THAT BEGINS. 
          I THINK AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR WHEN WE SPEAK THAT WE'RE NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          UH, AND I, I THINK ANYBODY THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK I INTENTIONALLY DO THAT WHEN I SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE AS A COUNCIL IS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY I'VE THROWN IN, WELL, THIS IS WHERE I, WHAT I PERSONALLY THINK, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE AS A COUNCIL HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT, OR THROWING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PERSON TO, UM, USE THEIR BRAIN WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. 
          UM, NOW IF THEY START SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE. 
          BUT AS FAR AS WEARING SHIRTS, I THINK IT'S UP TO THE PERSON, WHETHER IT'S A NAME TAG, WHETHER IT'S OUR LITTLE RICHARDSON PIN OR, UH, OR THE BUTTON DOWN WITH OUR NAME ON IT. 
          UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, WE'RE SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER AND AN INDIVIDUAL ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE, I DO NOT SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I BELIEVE, UH, THAT LINES UP WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE WILL SAY. 
          SURE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, I JUST, I MEAN, TAKEN IN WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, I, AND I, AND I AGREE AND I AGREE TO DISAGREE ON A FEW THINGS. 
          IT, THIS IS A VERY FINE LINE OF WHERE YOUR REPRESENTATION IS. 
          I MEAN, ONE, ONE PART OF ME SAYS WE'RE OUT ALWAYS REPRESENTING OURSELVES AS A COUNCIL, UH, MEMBER, UM, IN ANY, IN MOST ACTIVITIES. 
          FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CITY, IF IT'S A CITY FUNDED OR CITY SPONSORED EVENT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ANY BADGE OR, OR, UH, UH, SHIRTS OR ANY TYPE OF, UH, LOGOS, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE IS, 
          [01:05:01]
IS APPROPRIATE IF YOU'RE GOING TO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENED. 
          THIS, UH, SATURDAY MORNING I WENT TO A 9:00 AM UH, BREAKFAST AT, UH, NORTHTOWN PARK. 
          AND IT WAS, IT WAS PUT ON BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          IT WASN'T NECESSARILY A CITY OF EVENT, BUT I'M THERE, YOU KNOW, ATTENDING, REPRESENTING MYSELF AS A COUNCILMAN, AND, YOU KNOW, ANSWERING QUESTIONS AS A LOT OF THEM HAD. 
          SO I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO HAVE WORN A TAG OR A BADGE OR A SHIRT. 
          WITH THAT. 
          NOW PART, THE OTHER PART OF ME LOOKS AT, IF I'M OUT REPRESENTING A PARTISAN OR A POLITICAL EVENT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY NOT BE EITHER ONE SPONSORED OR TWO, UH, GENERATED FROM A CITY TYPE EVENT, THEN I SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE MY OWN ADVICE AND HOPE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE CONDUCTING MYSELF, UH, ON REPRESENTING THE CITY. 
          UH, PEOPLE ASK YOU ALL THE TIME, UH, QUESTIONS AND, UH, THEY'RE INTERESTED TO KNOW, ONCE THEY KNOW YOU'RE ON COUNCIL, THEY'RE ALWAYS ASKING, HOW DO I, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THIS? HOW'S THE CITY, UH, RESPOND TO THIS? UM, THOSE CONVERSATIONS I FEEL LIKE ARE GONNA COME UP ALL THE TIME NO MATTER WHAT, UH, UH, SITUATION YOU'RE IN. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND THE WORDING AS IT STATES HERE. 
          I THINK THERE WAS ONE REFERENCE BEFORE THAT WE WERE REFERENCING 1.2 EARLIER, AND I'M OKAY IF WE EVEN NEEDED TO PUT THAT VERBIAGE IN HERE JUST TO HAVE SOME CLARITY. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, HONESTLY, IF ANYONE WAS READING THIS, THEY MAY NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT UNLESS THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND READ ALL THE, UH, RULES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT PUTTING THERE. 
          BUT I THINK THERE IS A FINE LINE OF HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA MONITOR, UH, AND POLICE IN THESE SITUATIONS. 
          I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO KIND OF USE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR OWN THOUGHTS ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO REPRESENT YOU AND THE CITY ITSELF. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL SHOULD DO RESPECTFULLY, BUT, AND THAT BOILS DOWN TO POLITICAL AND PARTISAN OR NON-PARTISAN ACTIVITIES. 
          AND SHOULD WE PUT PARTISAN OR NONPARTISAN ACTIVITIES IN THERE AS WELL? IF WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE VERBIAGE, VERBIAGE, SO WE HAVE THE 1.2, THE PARTISAN AND NON-PARTISAN ACTIVITIES, AND ALSO SPONSOR, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT EVEN PUTTING SOMETHING THERE TO THE EFFECT THAT, UM, IF IT IS A SPONSORED OR POTENTIALLY NON-SPONSORED EVENT? I MEAN, WE COULD, AGAIN, GO IN, DIVE INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS IF WE WANT TO, BUT WHERE DOES THAT STOP? WHERE DOES IT START? WHERE DOES IT END? AGAIN, IT'S A VERY FINE LINE. 
          I'M A DIFFICULT TIME REPRESENTING THAT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION? UH, NO. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE, I THINK 1.2, UM, IS, IS IN MY OPINION, 1.2 IS APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, THE BETTER PART OF 1.2 IS STRAIGHT OUT OF OUR CHARTER. 
          AND SO IT'S HIGHLY ALIGNED WITH THAT. 
          BUT TO YOUR POINT, UH, COUNCILMAN, UM, DORIAN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, 1.3 REALLY TALKS ABOUT THE LAST SENTENCE IN 1.2. 
          IF THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM ARE NOT AVAIL AVAILABLE FOR, UH, TO REPRESENT THE CITY ON A CEREMONIAL OCCASION, THEN THE MAYOR CAN CHOOSE ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND IT, UH, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN SAID IT EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE, UNLESS THAT HAPPENS, YOU'RE ACTING IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY YEAH. 
          OR THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND SO, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE THEY, YOU REALLY HAVE TO READ 'EM, UH, TOGETHER TO REALLY MAKE, UM, TO, TO REALLY HAVE THEM BUILD ON EACH OTHER AND, AND TELL THE COMPLETE STORY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT US LOOKING AT THIS EVERY TWO YEARS IS THAT IT FORCES THE DISCUSSION AMONGST THE SEVEN OF US. 
          YEP. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADD ANY TEXT THAT POLICE SORT OF WHAT WE WEAR TO WHAT EVENT, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AS A GROUP JUST TO SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST EVERYONE, HEY, BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN, WHAT ONE PERSON DOES CAN HAVE AN ACTUAL IMPACT ON THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSE THAT ANOTHER PERSON ON COUNCIL HAS TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND SO WE ALL JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT, RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER IN THAT WAY. 
          I MEAN, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, IF I'M INVITED TO THE DA'S KICKOFF OR SOMETHING, I'M NOT GONNA WEAR, I MAY WEAR A LITTLE NAME TAG THAT SAYS JOE CORCORAN, BUT I'M NOT GONNA WEAR OUR CORPORATE CHALLENGE POLO AND PULL, YOU KNOW, DRAG. 
          SORT OF JUST, JUST BEING AWARE OF THINGS LIKE THAT AND HAVING, HAVING THIS DISCUSSION EVERY TWO YEARS AS WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE ON COUNCIL, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND SO, WHILE I DON'T STAND ON ADDING ANY EXTRA LANGUAGE IN HERE RELATED TO THAT, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE, WE GOT THIS OUT AND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT THE MAJORITY ARE SAYING, LET'S NOT MOVE, UM, ANY OF THE WORDING OTHER THAN WHATEVER WE APPROVED EARLIER IN THE, IN THE SUGGESTED WORDING. 
          UH, I THINK OVERALL THERE ARE FEELINGS OF LET'S JUST ALL BE CAUTIOUS WHENEVER WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, 
          [01:10:01]
ESPECIALLY WHEN, UH, WE COULD BE DEEMED AS, UH, REFLECTING ON THE CITY BY WAY OF NAME TAGS OR TINY LITTLE PINS OR WHATEVER. 
          PERFECT. 
          GOT IT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO BACK NOW, UH, TO ONE FOUR, UH, 1.4 D UH, AD HOC COMMITTEES. 
          AND, UH, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED AROUND DEFINING, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE IN DETERMINING HOW CITY OR RESOURCES, UH, COULD BE USED TO SUPPORT THOSE COMMITTEES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOT, THIS IS, THIS WAS A REQUEST BY ME TO, UM, JUST GAIN A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE, JUST FROM ANYONE'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, A TINY BIT OF MAYBE EVEN HISTORY ON WHAT THE THINKING WAS WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          UM, WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS WAS. 
          I THINK, I KNOW, BUT I WANNA HEAR IT FROM SOMEONE, ANYONE, AND IF SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH THE GOAL, WHAT THE GOAL IS, WE COULD PROBABLY TALK THROUGH THAT. 
          UH, BUT ULTIMATELY I JUST WANT A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          UH, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY HELP ALL, EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, UH, TO NOT INADVERTENTLY DO SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, VIOLATING OUR RULES. 
          SO, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, I MEAN, MY, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WHEN, THAT THIS IS SORT OF A WAY TO ADDRESS, ADDRESS THE GOOD AND THE BAD THAT CAME WITH, UM, MAYOR ER'S BLUE RIBBON DIVERSITY COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE GOOD THING IS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IN SOME WAY, IN PRINCIPLE, I THINK A LOT OF US AGREED WITH, THE BAD PART ABOUT IT WAS THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE THAT USED A, A CITY STAFF TIME AND HAD OFFICIAL MINUTES THAT WERE KEPT AND ALL THIS STUFF. 
          AND THE SIX OF US ON HERE WEREN'T, WEREN'T REALLY CONSULTED ABOUT IT. 
          YEP. 
          AND SO HAVING JUST SOME CLARITY AROUND, ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING TO USE A STAFF MEMBER'S TIME, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE THE KEEPING OF MINUTES. 
          WE ALL SEVEN, OR AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF THE SEVEN OF US NEED TO BE IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THAT COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS, AND THAT WAS, UNLESS I'M MISREMEMBERING SOMETHING, THAT'S WHY I PUT THIS IN HERE. 
          PERFECT. 
          UM, APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK. 
          UH, ANY OTHER CLARITY ON THAT? YES, COUNCIL MEMBER MSO, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A PUBLIC FUND INVOLVED TAX MONEY INVOLVED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY THROUGH RESOURCE THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AMONG THE COUNCIL AND MAKE DECISION, UH, BEFORE WE GO, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN PEOPLE CAN COME UP WITH SEVEN DIFFERENT IDEA AND WE CAN EASILY TAKE OUT THE $300 MILLION BEFORE WE EVEN WE SPEND FOR THE STREET OR OTHER THINGS. 
          SURE. 
          SO I THINK WE JUST, THE, THE CLOTHING DISCUSSION ON THE PREVIOUS SECTION WAS MUCH SIMPLER, BUT THIS IS MUCH DEEPER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, ALRIGHT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND I, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT IT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I BASICALLY AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA ADD, UH, OR COMMITTEES, UH, OR COLLABORATIONS WITH, I DON'T KNOW, UTD OR WHOMEVER, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL DISCUSS AS A WHOLE AND DEFINES WHAT VALUE WE GET OUT OF IT. 
          ONE, TWO, IS IT APPROPRIATE AND IS IT GOING TO REQUIRE TIME, EFFORT, MONEY, AND, AND, AND, AND DO, AND ULTIMATELY, IS THIS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO BE ADDING TO OUR PLATE ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE? AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE GO TO 42, UH, HOA MEETINGS A YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS EVERY MONDAY NIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I, THE LIST GOES ON AND IT'S LIKE, HOW MANY MORE OF THESE CAN WE REALLY ADD IN? AND WHAT VALUE DO THEY HAVE? BECAUSE THE FACT IS, IS WE'RE PRETTY MUCH REPEATING ALMOST EVERYTHING IN ALL OF THOSE OTHER MEETINGS AS ANYWAY. 
          AND I COULD GO DOWN THE LIST, BUT I'LL SAVE US TIME. 
          BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING, UM, AS WE DEVELOP THINGS IN THE FUTURE THAT WE COME UP, UH, UH, AS A TEAM AND DECIDE WHAT'S, UH, WHICH, WHAT'S ADD VALUE, WHAT ADDS VALUE. 
          PERFECT. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          MAYOR. 
          I DON'T RECALL A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION, UH, AROUND THIS. 
          I DO. 
          AND I, I DID NOT, UH, I WAS NOT SERVING ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME OF, UH, FORMER MAYOR PAUL, UH, VOL KER. 
          UM, I WAS BUTCHER HIS NAME. 
          I APOLOGIZE PAUL, IF YOU'RE LISTENING. 
          UM, BUT I DO REMEMBER I WAS NEW TO THE COUNCIL WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS. 
          I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME TALK AROUND WHAT NOW IS THE INCLUSION ENGAGEMENT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU REFERRED TO AS THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE. 
          AND I THINK FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DETAILS, BUT WHAT'S POPS OUT MY MIND IS KIND OF THAT, UH, CENTRALIZATION OF KNOWLEDGE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF COUNCILMAN CORCORAN WERE TO START AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, AND THEN COUNCILMAN CORCORAN IS NO LONGER HERE, WHERE IS THAT CONTINUATION? OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL IS BIGGER THAN ANY ONE OF US INDIVIDUALLY, AND THE, 
          [01:15:01]
THE, THE ROLE IN WHICH WE SERVE IS BIGGER THAN OURSELVES, AND IT WILL GO ON MUCH FURTHER THAN US AS INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND I THINK WHEN WE DO IMPORTANT WORK AS A COUNCIL, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THAT WORK IS DONE, THAT THERE'S THE CONTINUATION OF KNOWLEDGE TO THAT FUTURE COUNCILS, UM, CAN CARRY ON THE WORK. 
          UH, AND 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT WAS DEEMED WORTHY AND SOME, UM, OF, OF WHAT WAS BEING DONE. 
          UM, AND SO I JUST, MY 2 CENTS ON THAT IS, I BELIEVE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING AT THE TIME WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, UM, IS JUST HOW, HOW DOES THAT CARRY ON? YOU KNOW, JUST WHEN WE GO, HOW ARE THE NOTES KEPT? HOW ARE WE, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS, UH, PEOPLE CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, A LOT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOST THE CHAIR, THE CPC OR ANYBODY, ANY OF THE OTHER GROUPS OR THE INCLUSION OR THE LIBRARY BOARD, WE, WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, THE LIBRARY BOARD, WHETHER THAT PERSON'S IN THAT SEAT OR NOT. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, UM, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, AND, AND PLEASE ADD MORE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT, BUT I, BUT I WANT TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY IT A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE CONCERN IS, UM, UTILIZATION OF STAFF TIME, UTILIZATION OF POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THE $300 MILLION, UH, OF THE BUDGET. 
          UM, I THINK THOSE WERE KIND OF SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS. 
          BUT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF, I DON'T KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN WANTED TO START DOING A, UH, A, A TEAM MEETING OF, OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE, LET'S SAY LEADERS IN SOUTHEAST, UH, SOUTHWEST RICHARDSON, UH, SOUTHEAST RICHARDSON, SORRY. 
          AND WANTED TO JUST MEET WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE AREA THAT HE LIVES IN. 
          UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS A COUNCIL, IS THAT CONSIDERED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE? IF, AND, AND THAT THIS IS WHERE I WANTED THE CLARIFICATION. 
          IF IT'S NOT REQUIRING COUNCIL RESOURCES, UH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, CITY RESOURCES, AND BY CITY RESOURCES, I MEAN CITY STAFF, ACTUAL PAID RESOURCES AND IT DOESN'T COST ANY MONEY. 
          UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARITY ON, SO, UH, GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, UH, THINK, YEAH, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY YOUR LAST TWO POINTS THERE. 
          I MEAN, ARE YOU HOLDING IT HERE? ARE YOU HOLDING IT AT THE LIBRARY? ARE YOU HOLDING IT AT THE EISMAN? ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE SECURITY OR A STAFF MEMBER BECAUSE YOU WANNA DO IT ON A SUNDAY? YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS TOO. 
          YEP. 
          WHERE, WHERE, WHERE SORT OF THE INVISIBLE RESOURCE COMES IN THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT. 
          SURE. 
          AND SO I THINK, UM, IF COUNCILMAN DORIAN WANTS TO HOLD A, A MEETING OF LEADERS AND FROM SOUTHEAST RICHARDSON, FINE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE NAMING OF IT AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          BUT IF, IF HE'S GOING TO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, STAFF TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, UH, SEVERAL HOURS PUTTING TOGETHER TALKING POINTS OR SUMMARIZING, YOU KNOW, ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON IN SOUTHEAST RICHARDSON OR AGAIN, IS GOING TO REQUIRE SORT OF A, A UNIQUE USAGE OF THE FACILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT ALREADY GONNA BE OPEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          AND I DON'T, I WOULD SORT OF LOOK TO STAFF ABOUT OTHER SORT OF THINGS THAT MIGHT COME INTO PLAY, UM, WITH RESERVING SPACE OR SORT OF OTHER, LIKE I SAID, THE INVISIBLE RESOURCE THAT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT, UM, THAT COMES INTO UTILIZATION OF CITY PROPERTY, I GUESS. 
          AND, AND I, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT POINTS. 
          UH, SO DEFINITELY IN MY EXAMPLE, I'M SUGGESTING, LET'S SAY HE WANTS TO DO IT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND FIVE IN A CONFERENCE ROOM THAT WASN'T ALREADY BOOKED. 
          AND BOOKS, UH, EXISTING CONS CONFERENCE ROOM WITH NO ADDITIONAL HELP BY CITY STAFF OR BY ANY OTHER, UM, COST RELATED TO EITHER SECURITY OR FOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, THAT'S THE CLARITY I'M SEEKING, UH, BOTH FOR A POTENTIAL CURTIS OR, OR SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WANTS TO DO MEETING LIKE THAT, THAT IT FEELS AN OFFICIAL ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU OUGHT TO PROBABLY DO IT AT CITY HALL IF YOU CAN. 
          UH, BUT BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, THERE WOULD BE NO RESOURCES, UH, GIVEN TO THAT PERSON OTHER THAN THE ABILITY TO BOOK A CONFERENCE ROOM WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DOREEN, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, I DO. 
          I DID. 
          AND YOU BROUGHT UP GOOD POINT TOO, AND I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE. 
          SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT I WOULD BE, UH, ONE THAT, UH, MET WITH A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS IN, IN LET'S SAY PLACE ONE AND, AND I'M NOT REQUIRING ANY CITY RESOURCES OR, OR SECURITY. 
          UM, THE, I GUESS THE OTHER PART OF THAT WOULD BE IF I AM DOING THAT AND I'M USING MATERIAL THAT I'VE, I'M USING MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, OR ANY OF US WE USE, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR PROVIDES INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE OBTAINED WHILE ON COUNCIL, WHETHER IT BE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OR I DON'T KNOW, THE MASTER PLAN COPIES OR, 
          [01:20:01]
UM, ANY OF OUR, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC PLANS OR, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES. 
          IS, WOULD THAT BE DEFINED AS USING CITY RESOURCES? WOULD THAT AT THAT TIME, UNLESS STAFF HAS BEEN ASKED TO SAY, HEY, CAN YOU PROVIDE ME WITH ALL THE TALKING POINTS? 'CAUSE I'M MEETING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, 20 PEOPLE, UH, THIS WEEK TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER. 
          NOW THERE'S, THERE'S THE FINE LINE THERE. 
          AND NOW THE STUFF WE'VE COLLECTED AS A COUNCIL, UM, ALL THE BOOKLETS, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE APPROVED, WE ALL HAVE THAT DATA AND THAT INFORMATION. 
          I THINK ALL OF US DO USE IT AS, AS NEEDED. 
          BUT THE DEFINITION OF, HEY, I'M HAVING THIS EVENT AND I'M GOING TO CALL, UH, CITY REFER TO CITY STAFF, THAT I NEED TALKING POINTS ON THIS, WOULD THAT BE DEFINED AS USING CITY RESOURCES IF IT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE? OR IS THE, THE, THE MATERIAL THAT I ALREADY HAVE AVAILABLE OR ANY OF US HAVE AVAILABLE USED ON OUR OWN FREE WILL YEAH. 
          TO ILLUSTRATE. 
          SO I THINK I JUST WANNA THROW IT OUT THERE. 
          'CAUSE I, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S TWO SIDES OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK NO INCREMENTAL NEW, UH, COST OR MATERIAL OR TIME BEING REQUESTED BY CITY STAFF IN THAT SCENARIO WITHOUT APPROVAL. 
          AND, AND WE MAY, AND MAYBE THIS IS AS GOOD A TIME AS ANY, WE MAY DECIDE TO GIVE OURSELVES SOME LEEWAY. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO RUN DOWN THE HALL AND SEE IF WE COULD GET 10 COPIES OF A PIECE OF PAPER, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK AND HAVE A COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM FOR SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT MEETING? OR IS THAT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, UH, REASONABLE IN THE REASONABLE COST RANGE? SO I, I JUST, I JUST WANT CLARITY BECAUSE WHAT I, WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IS I WOULD HATE FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER TO WANNA, UH, MEET WITH, WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE, COME UP WITH A CUTE NAME FOR THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND, AND MEET WITH THEM EVEN REGULARLY, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING A BETTER COUNSEL PERSON, NOT BE ABLE TO USE OUR CONFERENCE ROOM, UH, OR NOT BE ABLE TO DO MAYBE SOME BASIC THINGS LIKE MAYBE USING COPIER PAPER. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LIMIT SHOULD BE. 
          AND SO I WANT TO, I WANNA HAVE IT CLEARLY DEFINED SO THAT NOBODY'S, UH, FRUSTRATED OR, OR CONCERNED OR WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF UTILIZATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND YEAH, YOU, AGAIN, TO THAT POINT, IT'S, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          DO I RUN DOWN THE HALLWAY, MAKE 10 COPIES OF, I DON'T KNOW, AN AGENDA OR, OR DO I GO OUT AND SPEND ANY OF MY I OWN PERSONAL MONEY OR CAMPAIGN MONEY TO DO IT? AND AM I AT THAT POINT STILL ACTING ON THE BEHALF OF THE CITY OR AS MYSELF AS AN INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTATIVE AND COUNCIL MEMBER? UH, WHERE'S THAT, WHERE'S THE FINE LINE THERE? WHERE, WHERE DO WE DRAW THAT LINE? AND NO, I DI I, AND I HAVE TO DISAGREE THAT IF WE DO SOMETHING ON THAT LEVEL, DO WE HAVE TO GET BACK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND, AND GET, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL? I THINK AGAIN, THERE'S A FINE LINE THERE AND WE DON'T WANT TO DIVE INTO THE WEEDS ON ALL OF IT'S BE WAY TOO TIME CONSUMING. 
          SURE. 
          BUT HOW DO WE PLACE THAT, HOW DO WE PUT THAT IN WRITING IF WE, IF WE DO AT ALL? I, I THINK, I THINK HYPOTHETICALLY YOU WOULD ADD, MAYBE ADD A SENTENCE OR TWO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A SENTENCE THAT JUST A ESSENTIALLY STATES AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT REQUIRE BLANK, WHATEVER THAT SHORT SEGMENT OF A SENTENCE ARE REQUIRES STAFF RESOURCES REQUIRE A BUDGET, UH, UH, MAYBE THOSE TWO ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THOSE ARE FORMED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAY THE, THE, THE, THE THRESHOLD BECOMES RIGHT. 
          STAFF RESOURCE AND, AND FUNDING. 
          BUT AGAIN, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT THAT'S HOW I THINK YOU COULD ADD THAT AND KEEP THE REST OF THE SAME STATEMENT IF WE WANTED TO KEEP THE AD HOC COMMITTEE STATEMENT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          SO I'M SORRY, I, I'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY, MR. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, LET ME CLARIFY A FEW THINGS THAT, WHAT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYORS, I, I SUPPORT IT, BUT I'M NOT IRRESPONSIBLE. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED BUDGET. 
          MAYBE SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE, THE COUNCIL HAVE ALLOCATED BUDGET. 
          MA MAYOR WILL HAVE ALLOCATED BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IN THE, THAT WILL BE IN THE BUDGET THAT THEY CAN CREATE TO SOMETHING. 
          SO, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CITY HALL RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE A VERY SMALL SPACE AND WE ARE FIGHTING WITH THAT TINY SPACE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUMPING IN THE HALLWAY IF WE WORK, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S NORMAL. 
          AND THAT'S NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT, EVEN AT YOUR HOUSE, IF, IF YOU'RE LIVING IN A SMALL HOUSE, SMALL APARTMENT, IF YOU HAVE MORE LOTS OF PEOPLE AND THEY FIGHT, AND THEN 
          [01:25:01]
NATURALLY THEY HAVE MORE FIGHT THERE, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE, IT'S MORE THEY ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, EACH, ON EACH OTHER'S PRIVATE SPACE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHALLENGING TIME FOR THEM. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          SO, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK THE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS, IS, UH, APPROPRIATE. 
          DON KNOWS HOW TO MANAGE THAT. 
          AND, UH, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO MANAGE IT. 
          WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO ALSO OUR OWN JOB HERE. 
          LIKE AS A COUNCIL, YOU HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          SO IF WE MAKE THINGS HARD ON OURSELF, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FUNCTION. 
          UH, BUT IF IT BECOMES, LIKE, DURING THE CAMPAIGN TIME, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL, UH, MORE CAREFUL THAT YOU KNOW WHAT MATERIAL YOU ASK CITY TO PRINT AND DO. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE TO MEET WITH SOMEONE, SOME GROUP, I NEED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE CITY, I'LL BE ASKING. 
          BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT OKAY, NOW SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOME DEVELOPMENT IN SOME AREA. 
          THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING TO HAVE SPECIAL STUDY FOR THAT AREA. 
          NOW, IF I GO OUT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT, LET'S DO THE STUDY NOW SO THAT I CAN TALK TO THE, THOSE NEW BUSINESS. 
          SO THAT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE, CLEARLY, BECAUSE I'M ASKING THE CITY SOME BIG STUDY MONEY, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT AND MAYBE IT'S GONNA TAKE FEW WEEKS FROM THE CITY MANAGER. 
          SO THOSE ARE VERY IRRESPONSIBLE. 
          REQUEST TO THE CITY MANAGER SAY, DO THIS, DO THAT. 
          BUT PRINTING ONE COPY, TWO COPY PAGES HERE, A FEW EVEN 10 PAGES DURING THAT REGULAR COUNCIL TIME, IF WE MAKE THOSE THINGS HARD FOR US, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FUNCTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, IF THE CO YOU KNOW, IF THE CONFERENCE ROOM IS FREE AND SOMEONE BOOKED IT EARLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DAWN HAD MENTIONED IN THE PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA USE THE CONS, YOU KNOW, CONFERENCE ROOM, REQUEST THAT EARLY SO THAT IF IT IS AVAILABLE, HE CAN USE IT. 
          SO I, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND DO IT. 
          I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, LIKE MEETING OUTSIDE WITH A STRANGER, SOMETIMES AS A COUNCIL, I DECIDED TO RUN AS A COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER AND DECIDED TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY. 
          IT'S A CHALLENGE TO MEET SOMEONE LIKE STRANGER OUT SOMEWHERE IN THE COFFEE SHOP SOMETIMES. 
          'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHO YOU ARE MEETING SOMETIMES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I FIND MYSELF AS A CHALLENGE EVEN MEETING OUTSIDE. 
          BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE SPACE. 
          HOPEFULLY THE HOME, THE NEW CITY HALL COMES COUNCIL HAVE, WILL HAVE SOME SPACE THERE SO THAT THEY CAN BOOK IT BEFORE, SO THAT WE CAN MEET AND TALK. 
          UH, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHAT POSITION WE ARE IN, AND WE NEED TO ACT NORMALLY. 
          I THINK I WOULD LEAVE THAT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND LET MAKE DECISION, DECISION THAT HOW MUCH HE CAN DO. 
          HE'S HERE TO HELP EVERYONE. 
          MY, MY MY, UH, ONLY COUNTER TO THAT AND APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOU, IS I THINK SOME CLARITY WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION ON THIS ONE. 
          AND SO, AND, AND THE CLARITY COULD COME AS SIMPLE AS ANY, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL, UH, UH, STAFF TIME OR BUDGET, UH, UH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE SENTENCE RIGHT. 
          REQUIRES A, UH, A COUNCIL TO, TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THE SIMPLE LANGUAGE WILL BE. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE'S THE THINGS, NO MATTER WHAT AD O COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW IS FROM NOW HERE, WHETHER WE HAVE A BUDGET OR NO BUDGET, WE SHOULD, WE CAN'T CREATE A COMMITTEE AS, AS YOU KNOW, BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL CAN HAVE THEIR OWN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THEIR OWN. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, THAT, SO HOW DO YOU DEFINE THEM? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AND AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE? NOW, HERE IS THE TWO THING YOU CAN DO. 
          LIKE I DO HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE, THEY ADVISE ME, I NEVER GIVE THEM A NAME. 
          SURE. 
          BUT IF YOU WANNA ADVERTISE THAT, IF I WANT TO ADVERTISE THAT, LIKE A FANCY THING THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, SHARE MY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THAT'S, THAT'S CALLED ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THAT AS YOUR GROUP AND YOU'RE BRINGING THEM, UH, IN THE CITY HALL. 
          AND THEY'LL BE ACTING LIKE THEY ARE PART OF THE MAYORS OR COUNCILS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND THEY WILL BE ASKING SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. 
          SO IT CAN GO REALLY TOTALLY OUT OF HAND. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK IF YOU CREATE, UH, A COMMITTEE THAT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW THAT I, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULD BE SO, UH, CONFUSING. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL COMMITTEE, INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS COMMITTEE VERSUS FUNCTIONING AS A MAYOR OR FUNCTIONING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER COMMITTEE. 
          THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA, UH, YEAH. 
          SINCE YOU'RE FACING, I THINK LET'S, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I'D LOVE TO HEAR, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF YOU JUST TO KIND OF, I, ALL I WANT IS CLARITY, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY 
          [01:30:01]
FRICTION SOLVING IN THE, IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, WE'LL GO TO YOU MAYOR PRO TIMM, HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, I THINK WE NEED CLARITY HERE. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF, OF MEETINGS ABOUT AD HOC COMMITTEES, NON AD HOC ADVISORY COMMITTEES, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. 
          MY, MY TWO THOUGHTS ARE A COUPLE, COUPLE. 
          NUMBER ONE IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, AD HOC COMMITTEES ARE FORMED ON AN ASNE BASIS WITH A CLEAR, CLEAR, CLEARLY DEFINED PURPOSE, TERM REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, AND CITY RESOURCE, CITY RESOURCES UTILIZED. 
          AND THAT MAY BE A BETTER WAY TO WORD THAT LAST PART. 
          UM, NON AD HOC, OR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL 'EM NON AD HOC COMMITTEE, BUT OTHER COMMITTEES, UM, CAN BE FORMED BY A CITY COUNCIL PERSON WITH NO UTILIZATION OF CITY RESOURCES. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN OUR REPORT ON COMMUNITY, ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          IF WE, IF YOU LOOK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS, INFORMATION REGARDING A SOCIAL, CEREMONIAL OR COMMUNITY EVENT, ORGANIZED OR SPONSORED BY AN ENTITY OTHER THAN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON THAT WAS ATTENDED, OR IS SCHEDULED TO BE ATTENDED BY A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR AN OFFICIAL, OR OF, OR EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, PURELY FROM A TRANSPARENCY STANDPOINT, IS IF, TO GO BACK TO THE EXAMPLE IT WAS USED EARLIER, IS, IS IF, IF COUNCILMAN DORIAN'S GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF, OF, OF COMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL, OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, GROUP THAT COMES TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT. 
          NOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S ADVISING YOU ON HOW YOU'RE RUNNING YOUR CAMPAIGN OR SOMETHING, LIKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING OCCURRING WITHIN THE FOUR WALLS OF OUR CITY, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVE TO SELF-REGULATE OURSELVES. 
          I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE MANDATED, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF IT WAS BROUGHT UP UNDER REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S IN THERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, I COULD QUICKLY SAY, HEY, I WAS, YOU KNOW, OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, THERE WAS A DISCUSS, UH, A GROUP OF PEOPLE WANTED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP FLAGS ALONG RENT DRIVE. 
          AND SO WE MET, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M GONNA BE ASKING, YOU KNOW, AT A LATER POINT IN TIME TO BE THAT, TO BE ADDED TO A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I COULD JUST QUICKLY REPORT THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'D BE VERY GOOD FROM A TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPARENCY STANDPOINT THAT WAY THEN WE ALL SEVEN KNOW BA NOT, NOT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WHEN WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN WE FEEL, THEN WE'LL FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT. 
          IF SOMEONE HAS A CONCERN, THEY CAN QUICKLY ASK DON, DON, WAS THERE ANY CITY RESOURCES PUT TOWARDS THIS? NO, THERE WERE NOT. 
          WE MEET IT, WE MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I GET CLARITY ON CITY RESOURCES? DO YOU CON IN MY, IN MY MIND, DO YOU CONSIDER A CONFERENCE ROOM? I DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK, I THINK IF IT'S A, JUST, JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR, THEN IF WE, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE YEP. 
          THAT DON GAVE US A, A SCHEDULE ON, I, I DON'T KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          IT WAS MAYBE RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION. 
          I THINK IF ANY ONE OF US WANT TO SCHEDULE THAT AND IT'S AVAILABLE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING ARE ALREADY ON. 
          IT'S NOT ANYTHING BEING, BEING, THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          10 COPIES ON A COPY MACHINE. 
          I, I WON'T, I WON'T IMPUGN ANYBODY, BUT PROBABLY SOMEBODY SOMETIME IN THEIR LIFE WHEN THEY WERE WORKING FOR SOMEBODY MADE COPIES OF THEIR DAUGHTER'S GIRL SCOUT COOKIE FORM. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WHATEVER MIGHT BE THE CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF COMMITTEE, BUT YES, I GET IT. 
          YEAH, I KNOW IT. 
          I GET IT. 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, I THINK FIVE OR 10 COPIES ON A COPY MACHINE, I DON'T, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THAT YOU WANT, NOT YOU, BUT IF A COUNCIL PERSON WANTED A STAFF PERSON TO SIT THERE FOR TWO HOURS, I THINK THAT'S BURNING RESOURCES. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, A FULL, A FULL, UM, REPORT OR MINUTES TAKEN OR WHATEVER THAT, THAT'S WHEN I THINK IT THEN MOVES INTO THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. 
          AND I THINK ANY ONE OF US SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT BE NICE THAT, THAT IT GETS BROUGHT UP UNDER REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          OH, I'VE ALREADY GONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST SAW YOU LIGHT ON. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I AM, I'M A LITTLE TORN TO ON MAYOR PROM'S POINT THERE ABOUT THE USE OF THE ROOM. 
          UM, I'M NOT A A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST THE IDEA, BUT I'M HESITANT, UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF COUNCILMAN, UH, CHAEL'S POINT ABOUT WHAT IS AD HOC AND WHAT IS ADVISORY AND KIND OF WHERE THAT LINE IS. 
          AND MAYOR, I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE A, HAVE A VERY, I THINK OUR CAMPAIGNS HAD SOME SIMILARITIES IN THE WAY WE WENT ABOUT THINGS AND THE WAY WE, WE, UM, REALLY REACHED OUT TO PEOPLE. 
          AND I KNOW A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I FORGET WHAT MONTH IT WAS, WHEN YOU INVITED ME TO BE A PART OF THE TOWN HALL, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME TALK AROUND, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT WASN'T A COUNCIL, IT WAS A RIGHT. 
          IT WAS A, IT WAS A CAMPAIGN EVENT, 
          [01:35:01]
AND I THOUGHT THAT WENT OVER EXTREMELY WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE, AND, AND WE, WE, YEAH. 
          THAT'S, I I, I THINK JUST, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT, BUT I, I, THIS SPECIFICALLY I THINK IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN TOWN HALLS OR, OR THAT SORT OF THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. 
          YEAH. 
          LET ME CONTINUE WITH MY POINT. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, SO MY MY POINT ON THAT IS, I THINK THERE IT IS A LITTLE, WELL, MY CONCERN IS IF WE SAY YES, LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADD AD HOC. 
          I CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S MAY BE THREE OF US THAT WANT TO GO OUT TOMORROW AND CREATE AN ENVIRONMENTAL AD HOC. 
          AND THE LAST THING WE KNOW NEED IS I, I'D HAVE A AD HOC ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCILMAN, UH, JUSTICE, AND THEN, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN AS WELL. 
          WE EACH HAVE OUR OWN AD HOC ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP. 
          UM, THERE'S SO, SO I THINK THERE'S A BIG BLUR THAT HAPPENS THERE BETWEEN, OKAY. 
          WHAT IS CAMPAIGN, WHAT'S AD HOC? TO USE THE TERM AD HOC? I THINK IT CO COMES WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, IF WE WANNA HA, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN ALL, I MEET WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. 
          THERE'S PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT WORK IN DIFFERENT SPACES FOR WHATEVER REASON, RIGHT? AND WE TAKE STUFF, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FRIENDS THAT WORK IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND WE KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL. 
          WE GO AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, I NEED A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. 
          LET'S STRESS SOME STUFF BACK AND FORTH. 
          BUT I, I DO HAVE SOME WORRIES THERE. 
          THAT ONE, WE WOULD KIND OF TRIPLE THE WORK AND THEY'RE NOT BE A CREATED CENTRALIZED SYNERGY BEHIND THE WORK. 
          UM, AND THEN WHERE THAT LINE IS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IT BECOMES MORE ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL AND NOT THE BODY OF THE WORK. 
          SO I DO STRUGGLE WITH, WITH ALLOWING THE USE OF SPACE. 
          NOW, IF WE WANNA, AS A COUNCIL, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, UH, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE COMES TO US AND SAYS, WE NEED A AD HOC AROUND ENVIRONMENTAL, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, AND SHE BRINGS IT FORTH, SHE PUTS IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE DISCUSS IT. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO PUT RESOURCES BEHIND IT, BUT MAYBE AS AD HOC, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING WORTH EXPLORING. 
          GO AHEAD AND USE THE SPACE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SET ON ANYTHING. 
          I JUST, I JUST FEEL THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AREA AND IT DOES NEED MUCH FURTHER DE DEFINING, BUT THERE'S, THERE IS SOME CONCERN AND CAUTION THERE. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE IT CAN BE DONE. 
          IT'S JUST, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK IN GENERAL, AD HOC NORMALLY IS A, LIKE A SHORTER TERM THING AS OPPOSED TO LIKE, SOME OF OUR PERMANENT COMMITTEES AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT, I THINK THE WORD AD HOC COMMITTEES, UM, HAS JUST KIND OF SPREAD INTO A FEW OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE, I, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I WOULD WANT A BUNCH OF AD HOC COMMITTEES. 
          I WOULD WANT ADVISORY COMMITTEES FOR MYSELF, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, JOE AND MAY WANT SOME, UH, HIS OWN, YOU KNOW, LITTLE COMMITTEE ON WHATEVER HIS THING IS THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN KIND OF LEARNING MORE ABOUT OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D CALL IT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          IT'D JUST BE YOUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT DECIDE TO TRY TO MEET HERE AT CITY COUNCIL OR, I, I MEAN, AT, AT A CONFERENCE ROOM OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          YOU KNOW, I MAYOR, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE DISTINCTION YOU'RE TRYING TO DRAW. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT ULTIMATELY KIND OF LEADS TO THE SAME PLACE, THOUGH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. 
          'CAUSE USING CITY RESOURCES, EVEN A CONFERENCE ROOM REALLY WILL DRAW SCRUTINY FOR WHATEVER THAT CONFERENCE ROOM IS USED FOR. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE FLIP SIDE. 
          YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS MAYOR FOR YOU TO GO AND TELL SOMEONE THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN USE THE CONFERENCE ROOM BESIDE YOUR OFFICE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO KIND OF A WEIRD . 
          IT'LL BE A WEIRD LOOK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I GET THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ONE ALREADY PRODUCE MATERIAL IS NO ISSUE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S STUFF THAT WE ALL HAVE ACCESS TO. 
          I ALSO THINK WE MAYBE AS A GROUP NEED TO BE LENIENT. 
          LIKE ONE-OFFS ARE NOT NECESSARILY AN ISSUE. 
          A COUPLE COPIES HERE OR THERE. 
          BEING ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE THREE RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING, OR YOU WANT TO GET A COUPLE PEOPLE'S ADVICE AND YOU USE A CONFERENCE ROOM FOR A NON-RECURRING THING. 
          I THINK THAT REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE. 
          I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT'S REPEATEDLY COMING IN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC MAY EVEN RIGHTFULLY ASSOCIATE. 
          I HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THIS CITY RESOURCE IS BEING USED FOR AND WHAT GOES ON IN THERE. 
          UM, HOW OFTEN IS REGULAR FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? I MEAN, I THINK ANY, ANY TIME MORE THAN ONCE IS REGULAR. 
          OKAY. 
          TO ME, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, I'M WITH EVERYONE. 
          I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO CLEARLY DEFINE IT, BUT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES, 
          [01:40:01]
NOT TO MENTION THE CITY MANAGER OR SOMEONE SHOULD KNOW WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT OF CITY HALL. 
          RIGHT? SURE. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE OFFICIAL COUNCIL CALENDARS THAT TELEGRAPH SOME OF THAT. 
          BUT I MEAN, FAIR. 
          THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS TO FAIR. 
          THAT'S FAIR. 
          I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING, ANYTHING MORE THAN ONCE IS, IS RECURRING TO ME AND KIND OF BLEEDING INTO TO 1.5 AS WELL, WHICH IS A VERY SIMILAR, A VERY SIMILAR TOPIC ABOUT USE OF STAFF TIME FOR RESEARCH. 
          BUT I MEAN, I WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, DON MAYBE DON'S DISCRETION, BUT IN THE BALLPARK OF ANYTHING THAT TAKES MORE THAN AN HOUR FOR DAWN OR RILEY, ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER TO COMPILE FOR ONE OF US IS, IS TOO LONG FOR, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO, I KNOW. 
          LET'S JUST STAY AT ONE FOUR, SO. 
          SURE. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          FAIR CAN ACTUALLY FAIR ENOUGH. 
          KILL ONE FOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          IF, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY THOUGH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I THINK, UH, WE, WE'VE CLEARLY SAID HERE IT'S, IT'S MUDDY. 
          UM, SO I WOULD THINK MAYBE A WAY TO SORT OF GET AT THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THE INFORMATION YOU GET OUT OF THE MEETING, UM, TO COUNCILMAN CHAEL'S POINT? LIKE IS IT PURELY ADVISORY FOR YOU AND JUST MAYOR? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEATING AROUND THE BUSH. 
          NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, PLEASE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAMPAIGNED ON WAS A BEST PRACTICES COMMITTEE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO I I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD INTEND TO USE. 
          MAYBE THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL. 
          WE COULD DISCUSS, BUT ALSO, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT INFORMATION IF YOU PUT TOGETHER YOUR, YOUR COMMITTEE ADVISORY, AD HOC, WHATEVER WE CALL IT. 
          YEP. 
          THEY COME UP WITH 30 GREAT IDEAS. 
          NOW WHAT, NOW YOU'VE COME UP WITH 30 GREAT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND THEIR BEST PRACTICES. 
          AND SO NOW THAT YOU'VE HAD THE BENEFIT OF MEETING WITH THIS COMMITTEE, YOU MAYBE THEN YOU BRING IT TO COUNCIL, AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, NOW THE STAFF IS HAVING TO DO A PRESENTATION. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE? SURE. 
          ARE YOU JUST MEETING WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY BECAUSE IN YOUR ROLE AS MAYOR OR YOU HAVE SORT OF AN, AN INTEREST IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEN WHAT COMES FROM THAT? YOU THEN GO TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND SORT OF REQUEST OF THEM ALL THESE AMAZING IDEAS THAT COME OUTTA THE COMMITTEE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, ON THE FRONT END, MAYBE THERE'S NOT STAFF RESOURCE, BUT MAYBE THE OUTCOME OF THESE COMMITTEES CREATES SORT OF AN ISSUE WHERE YOU'RE THEN HAVING TO GO USE STAFF TIME. 
          AND SO I THINK PERHAPS IF WE CAN DEFINE WHAT THAT IS, WHAT, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THE COMMITTEE, WHAT IS ITS PURPOSE? AGAIN, HAVING A COFFEE IN A CONFERENCE ROOM, FINE. 
          BUT HAVING A COMMITTEE THAT YOU'RE MEETING WITH WHATEVER REGULARLY IS DEFINED TO BE, THAT HAS SOME SORT OF AN OUTCOME THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE STAFF TO TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION OR DO SOME SORT OF RESEARCH. 
          YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE OFFICIAL THAN YOU JUST RANDOMLY MEETING WITH SOME, SOME BUSINESS LEADERS YEAH. 
          IN THE CITY. 
          SURE. 
          AND SO FOR ME, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ON BOTH ENDS OF THAT. 
          AND WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE IF, IF IT'S NOT, IF THERE'S NO, IF IT'S PURELY, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES IN THE REGION ARE, BECAUSE I WANNA BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UH, NOT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE US TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE BEST PRACTICES OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT A UTD ONE AS WELL. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S NOT IT AND IT'S PURELY, I WANNA KNOW, THEN DO THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE ON YOUR OWN TIME. 
          BUT IF YOU WANT IT TO BE OFFICIAL AND FOR IT TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL OUTCOME AT THAT POINT, I THINK IS WHEN IT NEEDS TO COME TO THE COUNCIL AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YEP. 
          SO FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, YES, I APPRECIATE, UH, UH, THAT I'VE HAD TWO SETS OF ADVISORY MEETINGS ALREADY. 
          UM, UH, ONE, UH, I CAN NOT HAVE TO DO THIS ON THE, UH, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST TODAY. 
          I, ONE WAS WITH A GROUP OF BUSINESS LEADERS. 
          UH, WELL, UH, THE CONCERN AT SOME LEVEL WAS, OH GOSH, IS THIS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE? BECAUSE YOU'RE CALLING IT, UH, A MAYOR'S INNOVATION AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, NOW CAN THE MAYOR DO THAT MEETING AT CITY HALL WITH ZERO RESOURCES OTHER THAN THE AIR CONDITIONING AND LIGHTING THAT'S RESPONSIBLE IN A, IN A, UH, TO KEEP A CONFERENCE ROOM LIT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          ULTIMATELY. 
          NOW WHAT'S THE GOAL OF DOING THAT? SOMETIMES WITH THESE MEETINGS, I PERSONALLY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A OUTCOME THAT I KNOW IS FOR SURE GOING TO MEAN THAT I HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, OR EVEN TO STAFF OR ANYONE ELSE. 
          IT'S TO INFORM ME SO THAT I KNOW WHERE I CAN BEST UTILIZE MY TIME TO HELP FOSTER MORE INNOVATION AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT I MAY ALSO FIND THAT OH, A BC COMPANY IS CONSIDERING A MOVE TO RICHARDSON. 
          AND BECAUSE I'VE GOT THIS MEETING WHERE I'M MEETING WITH PEOPLE, LET'S SAY ONCE A QUARTER, WELL THEN YES, AS WE ALL HOPEFULLY DO, WHEN WE FIND OUT ABOUT THAT COMPANY, WE TAKE IT OVER TO CITY MANAGER AND, AND HAVE THE CITY MANAGER VET IT IN WHATEVER WAY THEY DO AND PROCEED WITH IT IN WHATEVER WAY THEY DO. 
          UM, SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT THESE ADVISORY COMMITTEES, THE OTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, TO BE VERY CLEAR, AS I INVITED, UM, A NUMBER OF FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, TO COME TOGETHER. 
          WHY? 
          [01:45:01]
BECAUSE I WANTED THEM TO JUST FEEL LIKE THEY STILL HAD KIND OF, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A, A SKIN IN THE GAME. 
          AND I LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, HERE'S SOME DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE WE COULD, UH, USE A LITTLE HELP. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO COME OVER TO DOWNTOWN RICHARDSON, BY GOLLY, PLEASE CALL ONE OF US AND LET US KNOW SO THAT WE CAN HAND IT OVER TO DON AND TEAM AND LET THEM DO SOMETHING. 
          OR, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU KNOW OF ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SPONSOR FOR, UH, I DUNNO, WILDFLOWER FREE SUNDAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW. 
          AND SOMETHING WE WOULD PROBABLY ALL DO IN, IN DIFFERENT MEETINGS, EXCEPT I'M DOING THIS AS MAYOR WITH A GROUP OF FORMERLY ELECTED OFFICIALS, MOSTLY FORMER MAYORS AND FORMER, WELL ALL FORMER MAYORS OR FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF MEETINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          BUT AS IT STANDS TODAY, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF CLARITY, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT CAN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN LOOK LIKE SOME SORT OF REALLY SPOOKY AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          BUT NO TIME WAS TAKEN BY ANY, UM, STAFF MEMBER. 
          NO MONEY WAS UTILIZED BY ANYONE. 
          UH, JUST A SPACE TO BE ABLE TO INVITE PEOPLE TO THAT ISN'T A STARBUCKS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE GIST OF WHERE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 
          I'M ALSO CONCERNED FOR Y'ALL, BECAUSE IF YOU WANNA GATHER A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE TO GET THEIR OPINION ON SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OR YOU WANNA HEAR FROM PEOPLE ON A SENSITIVE SUBJECT, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR SOME COUNCIL, FOR, FOR, FOR SOME RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY. 
          AND THE COUNCIL HASN'T DECIDED THAT WE WANT TO DO IT AS A GROUP, OR WE WANNA DO IT IN SOME OFFICIAL WAY, YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT. 
          YOU MIGHT DO TWO OR THREE MEETINGS OVER PERIOD OF A YEAR. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD STOP YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO USE A CONFERENCE ROOM FOR CONFERENCE ROOMS? I SIT NEXT TO ONE. 
          THEY'RE EMPTY QUITE A BIT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S EMPTY ALL DAY. 
          I'M SAYING THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT OPENINGS. 
          YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR. 
          SO THE, SO THE QUESTION JUST BECOMES, CAN THE MAYOR DO THAT? CAN A COUNCIL MEMBER DO THAT? UH, WITHOUT ASKING ANYTHING FROM ANY STAFF MEMBER, THAT'S THE EXTREME CLARITY. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND. 
          AND WITHOUT IT BEING A POLITICAL THING, SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A POLITICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, TO FIGURE OUT HOW JOE CORCORAN GETS REELECTED. 
          THAT WOULD NOT BE THE COMMITTEE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          I THINK THAT'S OUT BOUNDS. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE WORK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK YOUR SECOND EXAMPLE I THINK MAKES GREAT SENSE. 
          THE FIRST ONE, I THINK IT'S, IT WAS NOT A MODEL IN CLARITY, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE GOAL OF THAT ONE WOULD BE AND WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE FOR THE, THE BUSINESS ADVISORY ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEN THERE'S THE POT, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THE MUDDINESS IS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE GETTING A BUNCH OF FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS TOGETHER AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT LIKE, WAYS THAT THEY CAN STAY, YOU KNOW, FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          HERE'S THE CONFERENCE ROOM. 
          I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS WHEN IT STARTS SOUNDING REALLY OFFICIAL, WHEN THERE MAY BE BUSINESS THAT COMES OUT OF IT, THAT THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN TO STAFF, THAT STARTS TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO I THINK WE NEED CLARITY, OR FOR ME, IT COMES DOWN TO LIKE, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? DOES IT HAVE A CLEARLY DEFINED PURPOSE? WHAT ARE WE THEN DOING WITH THAT INFORMATION? OR IS IT JUST FREE YOUR PERSON? IT'S ADVISORY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY ADVISORY AGAIN. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, IF, IF THE POINT IS YOU'RE GONNA MEET WITH THESE BUSINESS LEADERS OR WHOEVER ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, AND YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GO TALK TO DON ABOUT IT AND ASK HIM TO DO ANYTHING. 
          I KNOW, BUT I'M, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY GET DOWN TO IS LIKE, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE ALL HAVE CLARITY ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH AND TRYING TO DEFINE THIS IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT? WHAT IS THE OUTCOME GOING TO BE, AND IS THERE GONNA BE ANY STAFF RESOURCE NEEDED? YEAH. 
          UH, SO, AND, AND I, I THINK THAT'S FAIR. 
          AND I LOVE TO KIND OF HEAR WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS THERE ARE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT IS FAIR THOUGH. 
          AND, AND, UH, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT IS, LIKE I STATED, UM, BY THE WAY, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SPECIFICALLY, UM, DESCRIBING WITH THE, THE BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, I CALLED IT SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THAT. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE NOW SPENT TIME WITH ABOUT 15 MAYORS AROUND, UH, THE METROPLEX. 
          THERE'S NOT A MAYOR, UH, THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO FROM A BIGGER CITY OR SMALLER CITY THAN US, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF MEETINGS IN A CONFERENCE ROOM IN THEIR OWN CITY HALL. 
          SO I'M JUST, I, BY THE WAY, I'M SUGGESTING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE THIS ABILITY AS WELL. 
          SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THIS IS A MAYOR'S THING ONLY, UH, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT IT'S THE MAYOR THAT'S ASKING FOR IT. 
          AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE CONCERN IS, IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GONNA EAT UP RESOURCES, I THINK THAT'S WHERE 1.5 SORT OF STARTS TO ASK ABOUT WHAT RESOURCES WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHAT RESEARCH WE'RE ASKING FOR, HOW DO WE MAKE REQUESTS. 
          ALL OF THOSE ARE GOVERNED IN OTHER PLACES, BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, FOUR D HAS BEEN POTENTIALLY UTILIZED TO, TO STOP THE MAYOR FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH BUSINESS PEOPLE HERE AT CITY HALL. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT PUTS US AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE. 
          SO I'D LOVE TO JUST GET CLARITY SO THAT THERE NO LONGER HAS TO BE A CONCERN ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR GET CLARITY THAT THERE SHOULD BE CONCERN AND THAT 
          [01:50:01]
THE MAYOR SHOULD DO THOSE MEETINGS ELSEWHERE. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, BARRIOS MAYOR, CAN I, UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, EARLIER YOU MENTIONED THE ROOM NEXT TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THAT IT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO US, I THINK IS THE WORD YOU USED. 
          WHAT EX I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY OR CAN DON WHAT? YEAH, WE GOT A, IS THAT OUR OFFICIAL COUNSEL CHA AND LOOKING BACK, I KNOW IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I THINK I'VE HAD LIKE TWO TIMES WHERE I'VE SCHEDULED WITH INDIVIDUALS WHERE THEY, THEY WANNA MEET WITH ME. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          'EM, I SAID, LET'S MEET AT CITY HALL VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IN MY, IN MY FRONT YARD OR IN MY LIVING ROOM, WHICH I'VE DONE MANY, MANY TIMES SINCE, BEYOND THE COUNCIL WITH INDIVIDUALS AS THEY WANNA MEET. 
          UM, SURE. 
          SO THE, THE LOCKWOOD CONFERENCE ROOM, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEHIND THE, THE RIGHT, THE, THE, UH, THE LOCKED DOOR THERE. 
          AND SO THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE COUNCIL, UM, TO UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, AND WE, WHEN WE, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE DO HAVE STAFF MEETINGS IN THERE FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN OTHER ROOMS AREN'T AVAILABLE. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE RECALLING RIGHT. 
          AFTER, UH, THE COUNCIL, UH, WAS, WAS ELECTED AND TOOK, TOOK OFFICE, WE HAD A BRIEFING WHERE I DESCRIBED THAT. 
          OKAY, MAYOR, UM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE, THE BUSINESS, I, I LIKE THE SPIRIT BEHIND THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS AS CHAIR OF THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE, I AM THINKING, OKAY, HOW MUCH OF THAT SHOULD BE ON THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE? ARE WE NOT UTILIZING THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE UTILIZED IF YOU'RE HAVING TO FORM AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT BUSINESS IN THE CITY, WHEN THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE CONVERSATION AND WHERE THE LINES BETWEEN THOSE TWO ARE AT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BUSINESS COMMITTEE AGENDA, AND WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY, ESPECIALLY YOU AS CHAIR, CAN DRIVE THAT AGENDA AND, AND SUGGEST THAT THEY, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEETINGS. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS UP TO YOU. 
          I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, AND ME PERSONALLY, IF I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF FOLKS, UH, THAT ARE BUSINESS OR CITY RELATED, UH, THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION OF BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE, UH, THE SPACE COUNCIL MEMBER CORKER. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR. 
          I MEAN, NOBODY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SAYING THAT EITHER ADVISORY COMMISSION IS BAD, A BAD IDEA OR, OR POORLY INTENTIONED. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR THE RECORD, I'VE NEVER, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE HAD, UNLIKE COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A MEETING SPACE AVAILABLE TO US. 
          I'VE HAD PLENTY OF MEETINGS TO EDUCATE MYSELF WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, NEVER HAD THEM AT CITY HALL. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WRONG. 
          I THINK I'M JUST GONNA SAY FOR, FROM MY POSITION WHERE I DRAW THE LINE IS ONE, ONE-OFF MEETINGS HERE AND THERE. 
          TAKE THEM AT CITY HALL. 
          TAKE, USE THE CONFERENCE ROOM. 
          IF IT'S THERE FOR US, IF THERE'S GONNA BE MONTHLY, QUARTERLY, WHATEVER IT IS, MEETINGS WHERE YOU HAVE THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND USING THAT CONFERENCE ROOM, WHETHER IT'S EMPTY OR NOT, IT'S A CITY RESOURCE. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD, IF THERE'S GONNA BE THAT LEVEL OF SCRUTINY THERE, I WOULD JUST RATHER, I'D RATHER US JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DRAWING A LINE SOMEWHERE, DRAW A LINE AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, I'M, I'M GONNA, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M GONNA DO IT THIS WAY, BUT I'M GONNA DO IT THIS WAY. 
          I WANNA BE, I JUST, I JUST NO, NO, PLEASE. 
          I NEED, I WANNA MAKE SURE CLARITY IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE. 
          I CAN TELL, UM, YOU BELIEVE THAT IF THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH A GROUP OF ENTREPRENEURS AND INNOVATORS ONCE A QUARTER, THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT CITY HALL. 
          THAT'S THE CLARITY I NEED WITH ZERO RESOURCES FROM THE CITY. 
          I THINK WITH, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT, HEY, WE, WE CAN DISCUSS IT AS A GROUP. 
          AND SO, IN OTHER WORDS, COUNCIL, I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT COMING AND ASKING THE COUNCIL EACH TIME THAT I WANNA DO ONE OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          ONE TIME, ONE TIME, RIGHT? YOU SAY, HEY, SURE, I HAVE THIS GROUP, IT'S A GROUP THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING THIS, WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE CONFERENCE ROOM. 
          WE'LL USE IT QUARTERLY FOR TWO HOURS, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS AT A TIME. 
          EVERYONE COOL WITH THAT AGENDA ITEM? YEAH. 
          AND WE CAN ALL, IT CAN BE A 32ND AGENDA ITEM. 
          WE CAN ALL SAY THAT'S GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK THAT FOR THE SAKE OF THE SAKE OF MAKING THIS MANAGEABLE, NOT JUST FOR US NOW, BUT FOR FUTURE COUNCILS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CLARITY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING NO, THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          I'M SAYING NOT WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION, NOT WITHOUT MAJORITY OF COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO USE A RESOURCE LIKE THAT REPEATEDLY FOR THE SAME THING. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE CLARITY I NEED FROM YOU SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND I, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO FEELS THAT EXACT WAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THAT CLARITY, BECAUSE I WILL JUST BE VERY FRANK WITH YOU GUYS. 
          WHAT I WILL NEED TO DO IS I WILL NEED TO SET UP AN OFFICE SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THAT I CAN HAVE MEETINGS WITH BUSINESS PEOPLE AT THE TIMES WHEN, WHEN IT'S NECESSARY. 
          AND SO, WHAT YOU'VE, WHAT YOU'VE CREATE BY DOING THIS IS IF YOU WANT ME TO BE A COMPETITIVE MAYOR IN THIS REGION WHERE I CAN ACTUALLY MEET WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN HOPEFULLY HELP US, UH, FIND OPPORTUNITIES, INVEST IN OUR CITY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          I'M NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          I AM THE MAYOR. 
          BUT IF, IF I WANT TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS, THE ONLY 
          [01:55:01]
WAY FOR ME TO DO IT BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING OR WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, IS THAT I WOULD NEED TO DO THAT, PERHAPS MOVE THE ENTIRE MAYOR'S OFFICE OFF CAMPUS SO THAT IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO CONDUCT REGULAR MAYOR BUSINESS AND THEN ALSO HAVE THESE QUOTE UNQUOTE AD HOC COMMITTEES OR WHATEVER THE CONCERN IS, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES. 
          SO I'M JUST BEING REAL CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE O OTHER SIDE OF THIS. 
          I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SAYING WE NEED TO DRAW A LINE AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? AND YOUR LINE IS, IF YOU MEET WITH 'EM MORE THAN ONCE, THAT'S OKAY. 
          I DON'T, NO, I'M SAYING LET HIM FINISH. 
          NO, NO. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BAT THIS AROUND AS A GROUP AND SAY IF QUARTERLY IS, IF QUARTERLY IS WHERE WE AS A COUNCIL THINK THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE THAN, THAN QUARTERLY. 
          BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOUR LINE IS ANY, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY NUMBER OF MEETINGS IN CITY HALL WITH ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE WHEN I WANT, SO THE ROOM IS AVAILABLE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT, THAT WE, WE DON'T GET WITH, WITH THAT CADENCE AND, AND JUST THAT OPEN AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SIMMEL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. TAMARA. 
          NOW, YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AS A MAYOR, WE ALL SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET WITH INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING. 
          IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT TO HELP OUR CITY, BUT THERE IS A STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          AND, UH, AND THE STRUCTURE IS THERE. 
          I'M JUST REMINDING EVERYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THINGS EFFICIENT, ALSO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE WE DON'T UNKNOWINGLY FALL INTO CORRUPTION. 
          SO YOU CAN, WE CAN THINK, YOU KNOW WHY I'M SAYING THAT? YEAH. 
          BECAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THAT WE HAVE, THAT THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IS A 7% EACH HAS ONE VOTE. 
          IT CAN MEET WITH GROUP OF BUSINESS ALL, ALL DAY LONG. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST YOUR ONE, ONE DECISION. 
          SOMETHING NEED TO HAPPEN, LIKE, AS A GROUP. 
          SO WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION, UH, THEN WE DO THINGS TOGETHER. 
          SO, SO THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEST INTEREST FOR THE CITY? I THINK EVERYONE HAS THE SAME INTENTION. 
          SO YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER OFFICE AND CREATE, BUT IS THAT GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM? IS THAT GONNA, ARE YOU GONNA ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE? UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A POKE OFF IDEA. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THAT AFTER THAT? SO WE HAVE A BUSINESS COMMITTEE. 
          I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE EXAMPLE THAT USE THE COMMITTEE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE SOME, SOME OTHER IDEA WE COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD BE ADDED TO THE COMMITTEE AND MAKE THIS THING MORE EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, OR YOU CAN IGNORE THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO, OKAY, KNOW WHAT, I CAN RUN MY OWN, YOU KNOW, IT CAN GO ONLY SO FAR WITH, WITH THAT APPROACH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CITY STAFF, THEY DO THE STUFF, THEY DO THE WORK. 
          OR IF YOU SAY, NOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I CAN SAY, NO, I'M AN ENGINEER. 
          I CAN DESIGN ALL THE ROAD. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ENGINEER HERE AT THE CITY. 
          MY POSITION IS A COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I, I SHARE MY OPINION PUBLICLY. 
          I SHARE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SMALLER THINGS INDIVIDUALLY. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PRETTY SMART STAFF HERE. 
          THEY PICK UP WHAT'S IMPORTANT, WHAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR THE CITY. 
          SO, SO THE GOAL IS TO BRING POSITIVE THINGS TO THE CITY. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU WANNA MEET ONE-ON-ONE, EACH INDIVIDUAL, EACH BUSINESS COMMITTEE, BUSINESS, UH, ENTITY, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME GREAT IDEA, OTHER THINGS, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE BUSINESS COMMITTEE AND THEY BRING THE IDEA TO THE COUNCIL AFTER THAT, WHENEVER, WHATEVER THEY DO THE COMMITTEE, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE CITY COUNCIL MAKE THAT ULTIMATE DECISION. 
          SO THIS, THIS IS WORKING GREAT. 
          I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT. 
          I THINK, UH, WE ALL CAN DO IT. 
          UH, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT BECOME LIKE ONE PERSON'S THINGS. 
          IT BECOMES THE CITY'S THINGS. 
          SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT PROBABLY WE WOULD, IS LOOKING AT MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT, AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO AUTHORITY UNDER SECTION 1.2. 
          IT SAYS, THE MAYOR SHALL REPRESENT THE CITY ON ALL CEREMONIAL LOCATIONS, AND SHALL BE KNOWN AS THE OFFICIAL HEAD OF GOVERNMENT. 
          I PUT THAT IN LIGHT OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE DISCUSSION HERE, THAT IT STATES ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS WITH A CLEARLY DEFINED PURPOSE AND TERM AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. 
          WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, I DON'T BELIEVE 
          [02:00:01]
MEETS, I BELIEVE IT MEETS, UH, THE, THE THOUGHT OF THE MAYOR BEING THE, UM, OFFICIAL HEAD OF GOVERNMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT FALLS UNDER AD HOC COMMITTEES. 
          I THINK IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE A, A ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND Y'ALL MEET ONCE A QUARTER, AT THE END OF SIX OF THOSE MEETINGS, YOU SAY, WOW, THERE IS A DEFINED NOW PURPOSE, I THINK THEN YES, YOU NEED TO BRING THAT FORWARD. 
          YOU NEED TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT LEVEL OF, OF RESOURCES. 
          AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND LIAISONS AND THE, THE DOLLARS WE SPEND ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO, IF WE'RE GONNA TRUST OURSELVES ON SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT AROUND THIS DAIS, THEN WE NEED TO TRUST OURSELVES ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          UM, THIS DOES NOT GIVE ME A LOT OF, A LOT OF PAUSE. 
          I THINK AS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS A FAR CRY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE GOLD, WHATEVER, WHATEVER BLUE RIBBON MAYOR VEL CALLED IT. 
          GOLD RIBBON. 
          BLUE RIBBON BLUE RIBBON, THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY, BLUE RIBBON. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT HAD A DEFINED PURPOSE. 
          IT WAS VERY ORGANIZED, IT UTILIZED CITY STAFF, AND IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN IT, WHEN IT OCCURRED, THAT MET WHAT I FELT, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD STATE. 
          AND I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, THAT MEANT THE TERMINOLOGY OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING DOES NOT, I DO THINK, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST OUT OF, AND THIS IS, I MEAN THIS VERY FRIENDLY, THERE'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE THERE. 
          BUT I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO TRUST THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE STARTING TO GET BOUNCING RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT LINE AND GO, OKAY, WE NOW NEED TO TURN THIS INTO A FORMAL AD HOC COMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL, AND YOU WOULD BRING THAT FORWARD AND WE WOULD GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS MAJOR CONCERN OF USING A CONFERENCE ROOM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, WE LET A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN AND USE A CONFERENCE ROOM AND WE DON'T CHARGE 'EM FOR IT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A PLACE TO MEET. 
          UM, I HAVE NO ISSUE AT ALL IF, IF, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN DORIAN WANTS TO BRING TOGETHER A, A GROUP OF SOUTH SIDE INDIVIDUALS AND WANTS TO DO ON A RE ON A REGULAR BASIS, MY ONLY MY PROHIBITION WOULD BE IS IF IT'S HIS REELECTION CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE. 
          SURE. 
          AND I, AND I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT. 
          I'M JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE SINCE YOU'RE SITTING NEXT TO ME. 
          THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE THE LINE IS. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO KNOW WHEN WE CAN GO TO A POLITICAL OR PARTISAN EVENT, WE'RE GONNA TRUST OURSELVES ON THAT. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRUST OURSELVES IN A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE EACH OTHER GRACE. 
          AND ONLY AT THE POINT THAT SOMEBODY SAYS, WOW, I'M HEARING THAT THIS IS NOW, YOU KNOW, TAKING CITY RESOURCES, THAT THIS IS TAKING CITY STAFF, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING TO EAT UP, YOU KNOW, DOLLARS, IF YOU WILL. 
          THEN, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO SAY, OKAY, TIME OUT. 
          I THINK WE'VE NOW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT BE YOURS, WHETHER THAT BE WHO EVER, ANYBODY, ANY, ANYONE OF, THERE'S SEVEN OF US. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS. 
          AND I DON'T, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN WAY TOO FAR INTO THE MINUTIA ON THIS. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A GROUP COME TOGETHER AND JUST LIKE, I MEAN, AND LEMME GO ONE, ONE STEP FURTHER AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE COMES UP TO ME WHEN I'M IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND SAYS, HEY, BY THE WAY, I JUST HEARD THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT NAME A COMPANY, YOU KNOW, CO BLANK COMPANY. 
          I PICK UP PHONE AND CALL DON AND SAY, HEY DON, HAVE YOU HEARD THAT, THAT THAT BLANK COMPANY'S THINKING ABOUT RELOCATE, RELOCATING TO DFW? ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? OR I MIGHT TEXT HIM OR EMAIL WHATEVER I WOULD DO TO GET IT TO, TO LET HIM KNOW ABOUT IT OR, OR WHEN I COME HERE TO THIS MEETING. 
          AND IF HE SAID YES, GREAT, FANTASTIC. 
          IF HE SAID NO, HE SAID, I'M SURE HE'D PROBABLY SAY SOMETHING LIKE, LEMME GET IT IN CHRIS'S EARS AND LET CHRIS FOLLOW IT UP, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. 
          I THINK THAT AS, AS WE'RE ALL AMBASSADORS OF THIS CITY, I THINK WE ALL HAVE THAT, THAT RESPONSIBILITY, IF YOU WILL, THAT IF WE FIND OUT ANY KIND OF INTELLIGENCE THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE, THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT TO DON. 
          SO THO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. 
          THANKS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK COUNCILMAN HU RIDER STATED IT WELL, BOTH RESPECT TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SPLITTING HAIRS HERE AND IT IS GETTING SORT OF, UM, IT'S, WE'RE MAKING IT MUDDIER BY THE MINUTE. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT, THAT MR. MAGNER AND HIS STAFF ARE EMPOWERED TO PUSH BACK FOR SOME REASON. 
          THEY SEE LIKE, OH, NOPE. 
          LIKE THIS IS, THE COUNCIL CLEARLY HAD DIRECTION RELATED TO THIS. 
          AND AGAIN, I WOULD, TO COUNCILMAN HU'S POINT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU REALIZE, OH, I DO HAVE A LOT OF OUTCOMES COMING FROM THIS, THAT COULD IMPACT STAFF TIME, THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THAT, THAT THOSE WHO WANNA CREATE 
          [02:05:01]
THESE ADVISORY COMMITTEES OR WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL THEM, ARE JUDICIOUS ABOUT IT. 
          LET'S NOT, EACH OF US HAVE 10 OF THEM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS A STRAIN ON, ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESOURCE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE JOCKEYING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL ROOM, UH, CONFERENCE ROOMS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, I, SOME OF THE CONCERN I'M HEARING TONIGHT IS SORT OF IF THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY CONFUSED ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS SORT OF AN OFFICIAL CITY THING THAT'S HAPPENING, SORT OF THE, THIS IS THE MAYOR'S COMMITTEE. 
          IT MAKES IT FEEL OFFICIAL. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S SOME OF THE CONCERN, I THINK THAT THAT'S BUBBLING UP THAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK COUNCILMAN HUTCH NOR IS RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN SORT OF DO THIS, YOU CAN MEET WITH BUSINESS LEADERS. 
          DOES IT NEED TO BE CALLED A COMMITTEE? OR CAN YOU JUST MEET WITH BUSINESS LEADERS TO AVOID THE CONFUSION? UH, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE A STAFF RESOURCE, IF IT'S GONNA BE AN OCCASIONAL USE OF A, OF A CONFERENCE ROOM, I THINK THAT THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HEADING IN A DIRECTION THAT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO UTILIZE STAFF RESOURCE, THEN THAT'S THE TIME YOU BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          SURE. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK I, I COULDN'T, COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH THAT. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, JUST, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF, HEY, LET'S, MAYOR PRO TIM'S POINT OF WE TRUST EACH OTHER ON A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. 
          WHY CAN'T WE TRUST EACH OTHER HERE? LET ME JUST ASK, DON, DO WE HAVE A PO WHEN YOUR STAFF INVITE PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHATEVER IT IS, DO YOU HAVE A POLICY ON ACCESS TO THE BUILDING? OR HOW DOES THAT, IS THERE AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT MAYBE YOU COULD DISTRIBUTE TO US? I THINK MY, THE SECOND HALF OF MY FEAR IS THAT IF WE ARE ALL INVITING PEOPLE INTO CITY HALL, WHO, YOU KNOW, CAN SLIP OUT AND SAY, OH, I WANNA SAY HI TO A STAFF MEMBER THAT I KNOW, OR THERE'S SENSITIVE STUFF THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          I DON'T, WE COULD EASILY JUST SAY THAT ANYTIME WE USE THAT, WE JUST GUIDE 'EM IN AND GUIDE 'EM OUT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN POLICE THAT OURSELVES. 
          BUT I'D LOVE ANY, ANY THOUGHT THERE. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          SO, UM, THE ONLY, EVEN EIGHT TO FIVE, THE ONLY, UM, ACCESS POINT IS THE MAIN DESK THERE. 
          AND SO, UH, STAFF, EVERYONE IS CALLED TO THE FRONT TO MEET WITH THE PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THAT THEY HAVE A, UH, SCHEDULED TIME WITH, AND THEN THEY WALK 'EM BACK. 
          UM, SO, SO THAT, THAT SMALL FO BADGE TO GET PEOPLE OH, NO. 
          HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE I HAD A MEETING WITH A GROUP OF PTA, UH, UH, OFFICERS THE OTHER DAY. 
          UH, WE MAY ACTUALLY MEET A SECOND OR THIRD TIME. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SCENARIO WHERE I GO MEET THEM AND THEN, THEN I WALK THEM BACK OVER HERE AND WE SIT DOWN, UH, TO DISCUSS WHAT POSSIBLE THINGS WE COULD PERHAPS COLLABORATE TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE, BY THE WAY, OF ONE OF THESE ADVISORY OR CONVERSATION COMMITTEES OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM. 
          BUT IT'S, IT, IT COULD HAPPEN RECURRING. 
          THERE COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE I WANT TO GET MORE FEEDBACK AND MORE FEEDBACK, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MAY CALL ON FOUR OTHER LOCAL MAYORS TO COME TOGETHER AND, AND WILLING TO HOST THEM AT THE CONFERENCE ROOM HERE, ASSUMING THAT IT'S AVAILABLE. 
          I MIGHT, WE MEET WITH THEM MONTHLY. 
          I MIGHT WITH MEET WITH THEM EVERY QUARTER. 
          UH, JUST, AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT EVERY MAYOR DOES IN THE ENTIRE REGION WITHOUT HAVING TO GET COUNCIL APPROVAL EVERY TIME. 
          UH, NOW THE CITY RESOURCE PART, I GET, IT'S JUST THE, THE TECHNICALITY OF IT BEING UNDERNEATH THE, THE, IN THESE WALLS THAT SOMEHOW, UH, ARE, ARE THE PROBLEM. 
          SO YES, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, THANK YOU MAYOR PROAM FOR YOUR POINT, UH, THAT'S RECEIVED AND WELL TAKEN. 
          AND I THINK THE BIGGER KIND OF WHAT AROSE THERE IS TO COUNCILMAN JUSTICE'S POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE CALL IT? UH, YOU KNOW, IS IT, YOU KNOW, IF IF MAYOR PROAM WANTS TO CREATE, IS IT THE MAYOR PROM'S, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL ON, I DUNNO, HEALTH OR COUNCIL ON, I'LL JUST YEAH. 
          USE THAT FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UH, BUT, OR IS IT COUNCILMAN VARGAS'S, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL ON WHATEVER, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          PARK BEAUTIFICATION. 
          AND, AND AT WHAT POINT THAT, THAT I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPACE. 
          NOT THAT I HAVE ANY MAJOR CONCERNS, BUT I DO THINK IT STARTS TO GET MUDDY WHEN YOU START CREATING, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU JUST SAID YOU MET WITH PTA PARENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SOMETHING I THINK MOST OF US DO ALL THE TIME IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT PART IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE? UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE HANGUP, AND WHILE WE, LIKE EARLIER DISCUSSION, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL ACTION AS A COUNCILMAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I ATTEND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OFFICIAL CAPACITY, I'M STILL THE OFFICE OF A COUNCILMAN. 
          WELL, YOU'RE STILL THE OFFICE OF A MAYOR, RIGHT? SO IS, YEAH. 
          I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE CONCERNS. 
          SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, CAN YOU CALL IT THE MAYOR'S COMMITTEE ON THIS WHEN IT'S NOT? 'CAUSE THAT ADDS SOME KIND OF 
          [02:10:02]
HIGHER LEVEL OF, I GUESS, AUTHORITY BY USING THE T THE TITLE OF MAYOR. 
          BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU ARE THE MAYOR, WHETHER IT'S AT THIS DAIS OR NOT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGER CONVERSATION HERE. 
          IS IS THAT, AND IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE SAYING COUNCILWOMAN IS, THAT'S KIND OF THE CONVERSATION IS HOW ARE WE GONNA DEFINE 'EM AND USE THE TERM? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE SORT OF ALL SAYING THE SAME THING AND DANCING AROUND THE SAME POINT, WHICH IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY. 
          WE WANT CLARITY. 
          YOU KNOW, SO IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO MEET WITH PTA MOM'S PARENTS QUARTERLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I GET WHY THAT WOULD BE CONFUSING. 
          WE HAVE AN EDUCATION COMMITTEE PERHAPS THAT THEY JUST COME AS PART OF THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE. 
          BUT IF HE WANTS TO DO THAT, THAT'S, I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE. 
          I THINK IT CREATES SOME CONFUSION TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IF THE, IF IT'S THE MAYOR'S PTA PARENTS COMMITTEE THAT MEETS QUARTER, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THAT THERE, THAT CAN CREATE SOME CONFUSION WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          DO WE NEED TO GIVE THEM NAMES OR ARE THESE JUST ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND YOU'RE HAVING PEOPLE COME IN HERE QUARTERLY AND MEET WITH YOU? I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I WOULD JUST GO BACK TO SORT OF JUST BE JUDICIOUS WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES CREATE SOME CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THIS COUNCIL IS DOING. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT COULD CREATE CONFUSION FOR STAFF ABOUT LIKE, IS THIS AN OFFICIAL THING? IS IT NOT? AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, IS LIKE, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU SORT OF TOW THAT LINE? YEAH. 
          UM, OF NOT CONFUSING THE PUBLIC, NOT CONFUSING THE COUNCIL, NOT CONFUSING STAFF. 
          IF THESE ARE ADVISORY, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK PART OF MAYBE EVEN HOW WE DON'T CONFUSE STAFF AND ALL THAT IS, IS WE, AT THAT POINT, IT BECOMES AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WE THEN HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FOR. 
          AND THAT'S HOW STAFF KNOWS IT'S AN OFFICIAL THING. 
          AND OTHERWISE, STAFF DOESN'T FEEL ANY OBLIGATION TO HAVE TO FULFILL ANYTHING FOR ANY OF US THAT WANNA MEET WITH THESE PEOPLE. 
          WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          UM, I'M, UH, COMING TO YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE I, I WANT TO TAKE THE WIN IF THERE'S A WIN HERE. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE WE MAY HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE BACK TO, AS LONG AS THERE AREN'T CITY RESOURCES BEING UTILIZED, I'M EVEN WILLING TO UPDATE ANNIE AND SAY, IF I WERE TO HAVE ONE OF THESE, UH, FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS MEETINGS THAT I PUT A CUTE LITTLE NAME TO, OR A BUSINESS MEETING, THAT I REPORT IT BACK TO US AS A PART OF ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THE, IN THE COMING WEEK, SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IT. 
          THAT I, I WOULD HAVE IT ON MY OFFICIAL CALENDAR, WHICH I DO ANYWAY. 
          UM, BUT, SO THERE WOULD BE LEVELS OF TRANSPARENCY IN TERMS OF KNOWLEDGE. 
          THERE WOULD EVEN BE LEVELS OF TRANSPARENCY OF WHO WAS INVITED. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE ON MY, YOU KNOW, ON MY INVITE LIST. 
          SO, UM, BUT IF, IF THERE'S FOUR OR MORE OF US THAT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THEN I CAN AT LEAST PROCEED BEING MAYOR. 
          BUT, UH, YES, COUNCIL MEMBER, DOREEN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO ADD TO THAT, A CO TO A COUPLE POINTS, UM, THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, ADDING IT TO A COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          UM, I, THERE'S ALSO THAT FINE LINE THERE IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING HANDLED OUTSIDE THE CITY, UM, PURVIEW OF, IS THIS CAMPAIGN FUNDED? DID I USE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF SPONSORSHIP TO HAVE THESE? AND IS THAT, DOES THAT COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY INTEREST? UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S A FINE LINE THERE OF CREATING, IF YOU'RE CREATING COMMITTEES OR, OR ANY OF US ARE CREATING COMMITTEES, UM, ARE GETTING TOGETHER WITH A GROUP. 
          IS THAT REALLY PART OF COMMUNITY INTEREST? IF IT'S BEEN, IF IT'S SPONSORED AND PAID FOR BY PERSONAL, UH, OUR, OUR CAMPAIGN FUNDS, IF I DO LIKE, AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS I DO LIKE THE FACT OF GOING BACK AND NOT IDENTIFYING THEM AS AND, AND DEFINING THEM AS A COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I THINK ONCE YOU DO THAT, IT POTENTIALLY MOVES IT TO AN AD HOC, UM, ADVISORY OR COMMITTEE. 
          AND, AND TO EVERYONE'S POINT, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. 
          UM, AND THE MAJORITY AGREES OR DISAGREES TO CARRY FORWARD. 
          BUT HAVING THESE MEETINGS, I MEAN, WHEN I'M GOING OUT AND HAVING MY MEETINGS, I, I DON'T REALLY DEFINE THEM. 
          I MIGHT HAVE COFFEE WITH THE COUNCILMAN. 
          UM, I USE THAT TERMINOLOGY, WHICH IS KIND OF GENERAL ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A COMMITTEE OR AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          I'M JUST, I'M OUT THERE DOING MY JOB. 
          SURE. 
          BASICALLY. 
          AND I, AND WHETHER I PAY FOR IT WITH OR WITHOUT CAMPAIGNS FUNDS, I JUST THINK, I THINK THERE'S A REAL FINE LINE OF DEFINING THAT DETAIL THERE. 
          AND, BUT I DON'T BRING THAT BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT I DID COUNCILMAN WITH, OR COPY WITH COUNSEL. 
          I'M SORRY, THE ITEMS OF COMMUNITY, I'M SORRY, NOT THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          YEAH. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          I, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT IT IN ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          I'M HAPPY TO NOT REPORT IN ITEMS COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          I, I, LET ME, LET ME JUST CLARIFY WHERE I WAS COMING FROM. 
          UH, LET, LET ME LET, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE SPEAK NEXT, AND THEN, UH, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU JUMP IN. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR, EARLIER YOU HAD SUGGESTED PERHAPS WE ADD AN E OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, NON AD HOC COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, DO WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE CLARITY YOU NEED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE CLARITY HAS STAFF. 
          [02:15:01]
IF I THINK IF, IF WHAT MY, THE WORDING I WOULD ASK PERHAPS IS AD HOC COMMITTEES, UM, UH, THAT REQUIRE, UH, STAFF, STAFF OR CITY RESOURCES STAFF OR BUDGET RESOURCES. 
          I, I DON'T WANNA SAY CITY RESOURCES. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE GO RIGHT BACK TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM. 
          YEAH, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          BEING A CITY RESOURCE, BUT STAFF OR, OR BUDGET RESOURCES, WHICH BY THE WAY, AT THE BEGINNING WHEN I ASKED WHY THIS GOT STARTED, THOSE WERE THE TWO BIG REASONS. 
          STAFF AND BUDGET RESOURCES. 
          THERE WERE OTHERS PROBABLY, BUT, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO I WOULD SUGGEST. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD JUST ASK, IS THAT GONNA GIVE STAFF THE CLARITY THEY NEED? UM, IF IF COUNCIL MEMBER SAYS THE MAYOR DID THIS, IS THAT GONNA GIVE YOU WELL, YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE X, Y, Z. 
          SO, SO, UM, THIS IS JUST MY RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR, UH, THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          I WOULD ACTUALLY PROPOSE ADDING, UH, I THINK MAYOR OR, UH, COUNCIL, UH, WOMAN JUSTICE, YOU SAID IT, I THINK WE COULD ADD AN E THAT TALKED ABOUT ADVISORY COMMITTEES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT DO NOT REQUIRE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU, IF IF AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ANY OF YOU, IF AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, EVOLVED AND YOU WANTED TO PROPOSE IT BE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO GO TO. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S AGREEABLE, I'M HAPPY TO YES, TAKE THIS AS HOMEWORK, UM, SEE IF, UH, D NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED OR ADD, UH, AN E AND CALL IT SOMETHING. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN JUST STATE IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A COMMITTEE, UM, AND, AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE STAFF, UH, TIME OR RESOURCES, UH, OR, OR OTHER RESOURCES, THEN IT'S PERMISSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE BEAT THIS HORSE PRETTY HARD TONIGHT. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF US TO BE ABLE TO REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE CLARITY YOU NEED, MAYOR OTHERS HAVE THE CLARITY THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO FEEL THAT THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY GET QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          AND SO THE DIRECTION IS, WE'LL, WE'LL ADD AN EI THINK. 
          I THINK SO. 
          WHICH WILL JUST BE, OR UNLESS YOU CAN FIX ADVISORY COMMITTEES WOULD TOTALLY FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST, YEAH, I, I, I'M JUST LIKE, WE DIDN'T GET INTO PINS AND NAME TAGS AND NAME BADGES AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. 
          I JUST, I'D RATHER NOT IT GET INTO WHETHER OR NOT I ASKED THEM TO WEAR SPECIAL HATS OR IF I CALL THEM A CERTAIN NAME OR, OR WHATEVER. 
          SO, UH, MAYOR PROTO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE LEFT ON THIS? I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TO, TO ME AND WHERE I WAS COMING FROM BECAUSE I, I MEAN THIS, I, I FELT LIKE THIS EXACTLY ADDRESSED. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA USE THE WORDS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD REPORT IT. 
          BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK WHAT, AND I'LL JUST AGAIN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT WHEN MAYOR VOLKER DID THE, DID THE BLUE RIBBON PANEL, I FELT LIKE THAT, LIKE, I MEAN, WE GOT NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER AND WE UTILIZED CITY RESOURCES, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT THING. 
          BUT EVEN IF HE DIDN'T UTILIZE CITY RESOURCES, I FELT LIKE HE, HE WAS OUT DOING THINGS THAT NONE OF US KNEW WERE HAPPENING. 
          AND I JUST, I HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA PREACH TRANSPARENCY ON THIS DIET, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE, AND I AND I FULLY SUPPORT THAT, THEN WE NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT. 
          AND IF, IF, WHETHER IT BE YOU, THE MAYOR, COUNCILMAN DORIAN, UH, UH, BARRIOS WANTS TO, TO DO A, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON, YOU KNOW, SPRING VALLEY. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, I WHATEV, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, AND YOU WANNA DO IT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO JUST SIMPLY SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU KNOW, WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW I HAD A, A, YOU KNOW, THAT I HAD A SPECIAL, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON SPRING VALLEY CORRIDOR AND WE TALKED, AND WE REALLY DIDN'T COME TO ANY KIND OF CONCLUSION, OR WE'RE GONNA BE, I'M GONNA BE BRINGING FORTH IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS. 
          I'D LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, BE AWARE OF IT. 
          'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA BE TRANSPARENT, THEN LET'S BE TRANSPARENT AND LET'S, LET'S BRING IT HERE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER, WHOEVER'S GONNA PUT TOGETHER ANY KIND OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE REPORTED OUT. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT BOTHERED ME THE MOST. 
          IT WASN'T NECESSARILY UTILIZING THE CITY. 
          'CAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US WHO WANTED TO CREATE A COMMUNITY INCLUSION COMMITTEE, AND WE FELT LIKE WE GOT, WE GOT CIRCUMVENTED AND WE NEVER KNEW ABOUT IT. 
          AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BRING UP OLD YEAH. 
          I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING HOW I FELT AT THE TIME THAT IT OCCURRED. 
          AND SO I THINK IF WE CAN BE, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TRANSPARENT, THEN LET'S BE TRANSPARENT. 
          LET'S BRING IT UP UNDER ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          AND I, I WOULD, I I THINK WE OUGHT TO. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I, I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO, I MEAN, IF WE DON'T WANNA PUT IT IN THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          BUT I THINK IF, I THINK WE OUGHT TO, IF WE'RE GONNA, I WOULD SAY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO SELF POLICE OURSELVES TO, TO BRING IT FORWARD. 
          I, I TOTALLY AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA ADD IT AS AN E AND YEP. 
          I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, MAR, AND IF, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M GONNA BE PROACTIVE ON THIS ONE. 
          UM, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'D AGREEABLE TO THAT, BUT THE QUESTION AROUND 1.5 WAS UNDERSTANDING EXTENSIVE TIME. 
          LEMME JUST SAY THAT WHEN IT, WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PUT INTO PLACE, UH, I THINK THE UNDERLYING, UH, UH, GOAL WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT I HOLD VERY DEAR, AND IT'S SOMETHING IN THE CITY MANAGEMENT PROFESSION. 
          UM, IT'S ONE OF ACTUALLY OUR TENANTS OF, OF GOVERNMENT. 
          AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, OUR TIME IS MADE EQUALLY AVAILABLE TO ALL THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY AROUND THINGS LIKE EQUITY, MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE COUNCIL RECEIVES ALL OF, ALL OF THE APPLICABLE INFORMATION IN A TIMELY WAY AND CONSISTENTLY. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OUR WORLD, UM, I WOULD SAY IF, IF WHAT IS, WHAT IS EXTENSIVE STAFF TIME, 
          [02:20:01]
I THINK ON A, A GIVEN ITEM THAT HASN'T BEEN AUTHORIZED BY A FULL, BY THE, AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL FOR STUDY ANYTHING OVER ABOUT THREE HOURS OF STAFF TIME IS USUALLY WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE, UH, KIND OF THE TIPPING POINT. 
          SOME WILL SAY TWO, SOME WILL SAY FOUR. 
          I THINK THREE HOURS IS A FAIR, UM, IS A FAIR, UM, NUMBER. 
          AND SO, UM, I HOPE THAT'S RESPONSIVE TO THE, TO THE QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COOL. 
          SO WE'RE GOOD. 
          AND DO, DO WE NEED ANY CLARITY OR ANY ADJUSTING IN THE WORDS, OR WE'RE GOOD. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD ASK YOU, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE OR DO YOU WANNA PUT THAT TIME IN HERE? NO, I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE, IF IT'S AGREEABLE TO THE COUNSELOR, I'D REALLY LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY. 
          UM, NOT, NOT ALL THREE HOURS OR CLARITY EQUALLY. 
          SOME OR MUCH MORE. 
          SOME IT'S JUST GATHERING INFORMATION, FOR INSTANCE, VERSUS ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND CREATING CONTENT OR DOING THE RESEARCH. 
          AND SO, UM, I I FEEL LIKE I, I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THIS. 
          EVERYBODY THAT THAT HAS ASKED HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I'VE, WHEN I'VE SHARED THIS. 
          BUT, UM, AND AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE, UM, UM, IT'S THE NATURE OF THE ASSIGNMENT AS MUCH AS IT IS THE TIME. 
          COOL. 
          UH, UH, YES, MAYOR PROAM, I JUST WANNA ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. 
          BECAUSE OF WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE BROUGHT LAST WEEK, I'VE BEEN POSED WITH THIS, THIS QUESTION HAS COME UP IN THE PAST. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE CONTACTED BY A RESIDENT WITH AN ISSUE, WE HAVE MANY RESIDENTS WHO PICK UP THE PHONE AND WILL CALL, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          THEY'LL CALL, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER AND, AND WHO, WHAT, WHATEVER DEPARTMENT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          OR THEY'LL, IF IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH A POLICE MATTER, THEY'LL CALL CHIEF TITTLE AND, AND OR SOMEONE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DEAL WITH IT. 
          AND, AND SOMETIMES I, I JUST WANNA, I WANNA CLARIFY BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK WE ALL, AND WE'RE PROBABLY ALL, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU BURNING UP YOUR TIME. 
          AND WHEN I, AND AGAIN, I TOOK THAT, I TOOK THAT VERY MUCH TO HEART WHAT GOT BROUGHT THAT WE LOOKED AT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, TIME OF CONTACTS, CONTACTS WITH YOU. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REQUEST FOR RESEARCH OR INFORMATION, AND YOU'RE SAYING THREE HOURS, WELL, IF WE, IF WE SEND YOU A, A, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN OF A DRAINAGE ISSUE OVER IN SOME SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT FALL? MM-HMM . 
          HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I DO WORRY THAT SOMETIMES THAT THERE, AND, AND I THINK, I THINK THERE'S VARYING LEVELS OF PEOPLE WHO CONTACT US AND PICK, AND THEN WE VARYING LEVELS OF, OF WHAT WE DO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, CARRYING HAND, CARRYING IT OURSELVES TO YOU, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, OR, AND IT GOES DIRECTLY TO, TO CITY STAFF. 
          AND IT GETS A, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, IT PROBABLY GETS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THE PERSON WHO'S SITTING AT HOME SAYING, WOW, LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE. 
          LET ME PICK UP THE PHONE AND JUST CALL THE CITY AND WORK IT THROUGH THAT NATURAL APPROACH. 
          SURE. 
          AND SO, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT I WANNA POSE THAT IN LIGHT OF WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE BROUGHT TO US AS FAR AS THE, THE TIME THAT IS SURE. 
          THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE UTILIZING, BECAUSE I DON'T, I, MY GUT TELLS ME YOU GET A LOT OF THOSE FROM US, UM, DURING THE MONTH, AND IF I'M WRONG, NO. 
          TELL ME, TELL ME. 
          NO, AND YOU CAN MOVE, WE CAN MOVE ON. 
          SURE. 
          NO, I, I, I THINK THAT, SO I THINK THE CONSTITUENT WORK THAT YOU, THAT YOU DO IS, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, BUT SECONDLY, IT IS A BIG PART OF, UM, IT IS A BIG PART OF OUR JOB BEING RESPONSIVE. 
          I THINK THAT FALLS MORE INTO THE INFORMATION, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS AN, AN UPDATE. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S A VERY NUANCED UPDATE AND IT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ONGOING AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SHARE, WE HAVE TO SHARE IT WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, THE RESEARCH PART IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PART THAT IS MOST APPLICABLE HERE IN MY MIND, BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY CREATING NEW CONTENT OR LOOKING INTO SOMETHING THAT MAY BE EXPLORATORY, HAPPY TO, TO DO THAT, TO, TO SUPPORT, UM, THE COUNCIL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE JUST DID TWO OF THOSE, OR TWO HOURS TIMES SEVEN A MONTH, YOU KNOW, THAT START, THAT STARTS GETTING A LOT OF TIME. 
          AND, AND, AND COUNCIL, THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AGAIN, IS MAKING SURE THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE TIME TO WORK THE PLAN THAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED. 
          AND WE HAVE THE TIME, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR PRO TEMP, TO HELP YOU BE RESPONSIVE TO CONSTITUENTS. 
          AND SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY ABOUT, AND AGAIN, FROM A CITY MANAGER POINT OF VIEW, IT'S REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALL BLESSED OR MAJORITY OF YOU HAVE BLESSED. 
          UM, WE DON'T MIND AT ALL HELPING ON THE EXPLORATORY OF THE RESEARCH, BUT WHEN IT, IT, IT, IT EXCEEDS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEN IT DOES BECOME A CONSIDERATION AGAIN, BECAUSE ANY OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES JUST, YOU GOTTA THINK THAT YOU CAN MULTIPLY TIMES SEVEN , AND THEN IT REALLY STARTS TO BECOME, IT REALLY BE STARTS TO BECOME A MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL IMPACT TO WORK PLANS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, AND I, AND I GUESS MY, EXCUSE ME. 
          I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS, AND, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY FEELS ABOUT, WELL, I, I'M SURE SOME WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS, BUT I'M JUST, I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION. 
          SHOULD WE INITIALLY SAY, IF SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE YOU KNOW, CALLS ME TOMORROW AND SAYS, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS DRAINAGE ISSUE. 
          [02:25:01]
SHOULD MY FIRST RESPONSE BE, HAVE YOU CALLED AND TALKED TO BLANK DEPARTMENT? MM-HMM . 
          HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE, AND, AND HAVE YOU GOTTEN A RESPONSE? AND IS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE RESPONSE YOU GOT, YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH MM-HMM . 
          OR MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE VERSUS KIND OF CIRCUMVENTING? BECAUSE SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE, WE ALL COLLECTIVELY, AND I'M NOT BLAMING, I'LL BLAME MYSELF 'CAUSE I'VE, I'VE DONE IT AS WELL AS I'VE GOTTEN THAT PHONE CALL THAT SAYS, WOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S A DRAINAGE ISSUE ON MY PROPERTY. 
          AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SEND ME THAT AND I'LL SAY, WHY DON'T YOU EMAIL ME ABOUT IT? THEN I SHOOT THAT EMAIL TO YOU AND THEN, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . 
          YOU TAKE IT AND RUN WITH IT. 
          SHOULD WE, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, BECAUSE IN MY MIND IT COMES UP UNDER THIS, UNDER THIS SECTION, SHOULD WE SAY TO THEM, HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENT? IF THEY SAY NO, SAY, WHY DON'T YOU CONTACT THE APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENT FIRST? MM-HMM . 
          IF YOU DON'T GET ANYWHERE OR YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, OR YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED HELP, THEN COME BACK AND ASK ME. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RIGHT, WRONG, OR INDIFFERENT, I JUST WANNA THROW IT OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR AT LEAST PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION IN LIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SECTION FOR RESEARCHER INFORMATION. 
          'CAUSE THAT KIND OF STARTS TO SURE. 
          PING INTO THAT, IF YOU WILL. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, MY QUESTION? IT, IT DOES. 
          I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF THAT VERY MUCH. 
          I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE HERE TO SERVE. 
          AND SO I WOULD LEAVE, THAT'S REALLY YOUR INDIVIDUAL, I THINK STYLE AND CHOICE, HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE THAT. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING, I MEAN, ALWAYS WILLING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE. 
          AND, UM, UH, IT'S FUNNY YOU MENTIONED DRAINAGE. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT TAKE THE MOST KIND OF RESEARCH. 
          WELL, IT'S, BUT UH, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE, IT'S BROUGHT IT, BECAUSE I KNOW IT GOT, I THINK IT GOT VERY, VERY, YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY, ANYWAY, I THINK ORIGINALLY THE SPIRIT OF THIS WAS MORE ABOUT LAUNCHING ON NEW RESEARCH AND LAUNCH, LAUNCHING ON LIGHTING NEW FUSES, UM, WITH, WITHOUT EVERYONE KNOWING, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE START DOING THAT AND WE FALL BEHIND ON THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALL AGREED THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING ON AND THEN BECOMES A POINT OF FRICTION. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A, A MANAGER NEEDS TO MANAGE AND, AND, AND BALANCE, YOU KNOW, DAY IN, DAY OUT. 
          AND SO THAT, I THINK WAS KIND OF THE SPIRIT BEHIND THAT, THAT 1.5. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER EMEL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          WELL, DON ALREADY EXPLAINED FEW THINGS, SO I'LL MAKE IT SHORT THAT, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE ISSUES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE PROBLEM THAT NEED TO BE SOLVED. 
          AND IF IT IS A SMALL THINGS, YOU KNOW, A SMALL ANSWER, BUT IF THIS HAS BECOME, THIS NEEDS A BIG PROJECT, BIG STUDY, DON WILL ANSWER THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FUTURE STUDY COMING UP. 
          SMALL ANSWER. 
          SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR LIKE THREE HOURS RESEARCH ON THAT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE SOME RESULT THAT WE NEED THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT RESEARCH TAKES A COUPLE DAYS WORK AND THEN YOU KNOW, THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT NOT EVEN AGREE WITH THAT KIND OF APPROACH. 
          SO IT'S LIKE TOTAL WASTE OF THAT TWO, TWO DAYS OF WORK. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SO IN THOSE CASE, THAT FIRST THE DISCUSSION TO COME TO THE COUNCIL, WHETHER THEY ARE OKAY WITH THAT KIND OF STUDY IN RESEARCH, THEN IT CAN SPEND THE TIME, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT SOME NEW BUSINESS COMES BEFORE THEY SPEND THAT TIME, MONEY RESEARCH. 
          YOU, YOU ASK US SOMETIMES, ARE YOU WILLING TO HEAR THOSE KIND OF THINGS? BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT WILLING TO HEAR THOSE, ALL THOSE RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, NOT ALWAYS. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT DON IS TALKING ABOUT. 
          IF, IF WE HAVE SOME EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, THE COUNCIL NEED TO HEAR IT FIRST THAT WAY THAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO THIS. 
          I MEAN, THOSE MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          WE NEVER KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THE IDEA IS ALWAYS GOOD. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S MOVE, I GUESS. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE MOSTLY, UNLESS I SEE TWO MORE LIGHTS, SO I WANNA, BUT THUS FAR, I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE AGREEING TO JUST LEAVE ONE FIVE ALONE WITH HIS DISCRETION THAT THE THREE HOURS IS ROUGHLY WHAT HE'S GONNA BE USING. 
          BUT NOT ALL THREE HOURS ARE ALIKE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE ALL, IT IS, IT IS OUR PRACTICE THAT IF WE GET A CONSTITUENT REQUEST, WE SEND IT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SO THAT THEY CAN TRACK THAT IN CASE THEY GET MORE THAN ONE REQUEST FROM US. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S CHANGING. 
          I THINK THIS IS, IF I WANTED TO DO A, YOU KNOW, A, A RENTER ROAD STUDY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UPDATING THE MEDIUMS OR SOMETHING, AND THAT'S NOT A, A COUNCIL TACTIC, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF CAN DO AN HOUR'S WORTH OF RESEARCH TO SEE IF THAT'S FEASIBLE OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ADDRESSING. 
          I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR PRACTICE REGARD WITH REGARD TO HOW WE, WE RESPOND TO AND TRACK CONSTITUENT INQUIRIES, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO, TWO SEPARATE THINGS HERE AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS OR THAT, THAT PROCESS ABOUT HOW WE REPORT TO AND TRACK. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JORDAN. 
          YES. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA KIND OF AGREE AS WELL. 
          I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, COUPLE POINTS THOUGH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND ANYONE WATCHING TONIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO GET 
          [02:30:01]
A LOT OF EMAILS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE TEXT EMAILS OR JUST PHONE CALLS, UM, SOME OF THAT DATA. 
          I FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ELECTED IN A POSITION FOR QUITE, QUITE A WHILE, YOU'VE GAINED THE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO HANDLE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND HOPEFULLY MOST OF US ARE, UNLESS IT REQUIRES SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL, CAN BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO IT BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT OR WHO TO CONTACT. 
          I KNOW I DO A LOT OF THAT. 
          I KNOW OTHERS ON COUNCIL DO IT AS WELL. 
          IT'S ONLY THE THINGS THAT WE GET. 
          UM, AS COUNCILMAN JUSTICE JUST SAID, THAT WE, WE GET EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE HIGHLY, UH, SENSITIVE. 
          THAT INFORMATION DOES NEED TO BE SENT OVER FOR RECORD KEEPING, IF NOTHING ELSE TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          NOW, DOES THAT REQUIRE A RESPONSE OR A LOT OF LEGWORK AND, YOU KNOW, TURN IT INTO MORE OF A PROJECT? UM, SOMETIMES IT DOES AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONTINUE TO, TO, TO DEAL WITH. 
          BUT I THINK TO ALSO TO THE POINT MADE TONIGHT IS IF WE'RE WANTING TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON, HEY, THE SPRING VALLEY, UH, I WANT TO DO SOME ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT RESEARCH ON, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN PROVIDE THIS SERVICE, THEN THAT TO ME COULD EITHER BE GENERALLY ONE HANDLED ON A ONE-ON-ONE OR IF YOU FELT LIKE IT WAS SUPER IMPORTANT OR IT NEEDED IMMEDIATE, UH, GRATIFICATION OR RESPONSE TO WHOMEVER THAT THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE SOMETHING YOU REACH OUT. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOING ALSO BACK TO HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE TAKING AS A COUNCIL AND MAYOR TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE STAFF FROM THERE ON. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW ON AND SHARING THOSE DETAILS. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ONE FIVE AS IS. 
          GREAT. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          UH, NEXT ONE WAS, UH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, JUST, UM, RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, TO, TO EDIT SO THAT THE MAYOR SHALL PRESERVE ORDER AT ALL CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS RATHER THAN SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PRESERVE ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY, ANYONE WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT? I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EDIT. 
          WHAT IS THAT? WHICH, WHICH, WHERE WAS THE I'M, UH, SO IN, UM, UNDER THE, THE MAYOR, UM, THE MAYOR SHALL HAVE THE, A SECOND BULLET. 
          THE MAYOR SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PRESERVE THE, UH, IDEA WAS THAT THE MAYOR SHALL PRESERVE ORDER AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SO THE STRIKEOUT WOULD BE, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, WOULD BE STRUCK OUT, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, WOULD BE STRUCK OUT. 
          SO, SO THIS IS MAYBE MORE OF A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION THAT I MUST KEEP, UH, ORDER YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE FINE. 
          I'M WILLING TO DO IT. 
          UH, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE THING. 
          MAYBE I'M MAYBE MY WORDING HERE. 
          IT SAYS, UH, MINE SAYS THE MAYOR SHALL, OH, THIS IS 2.1, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE MAYOR SHALL VOTE ON ALL MATTERS COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL UNLESS THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          IS THAT ON THERE STILL? YEAH, IT'S ON THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST CHAPTER, OUR FIRST IS THAT, I MEAN, JUST FOR CLARITY IS, IS IS THAT A VOTE? IS IT, I MEAN, IS THE MAYOR VOTE ON EACH ITEM? YEAH, I ALWAYS VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A SEVEN. 
          OH VOTE USUALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, UH, WOULD IT BE CLEAR ON THAT? SOMETIMES IT'S FOUR THREE. 
          I MEAN, I NEVER, I NEVER, I, WELL ANYWAY, ANYWAY. 
          YEAH KNOW. 
          I KNOW I, UH, ALRIGHT, SO TWO, ONE, UH, IS ACCEPTED BY ME AT LEAST, AND I THINK WHOEVER ELSE REQUESTED IT, SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO THERE WERE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES AND TWO, TWO, THIS IS ABOUT HOW THE MEETING AGENDA IS ESTABLISHED. 
          I THINK THERE WAS, UH, WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW MANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WOULD NEED, UH, TO BE OBTAINED FOR, TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO THAT'S GETTING BACK TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SUBMIT A WR IT MAY SUBMIT A WRITTEN REQUEST TO THE MAYOR ACCOMPANIED BY THE SUPPORT OF AT LEAST TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, THAT WAS ONE ISSUE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE QUESTION WAS, IS THIS CLEAR ENOUGH, UH, THAT THE MAYOR WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UM, UM, AT HIS OR HER DISCRETION, UM, COULD, COULD ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO PLACE AN ITEM ON AN UPCOMING, AN UPCOMING AGENDA? ANYBODY WANNA, OKAY. 
          UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART? THE, THE SECOND, UH, WAS THAT THERE WAS SOME, SOME THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE NOT, IT MAY NOT BE CLEAR THAT THE MAYOR, UM, HAS, UH, THE AUTHORITY WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO ASK HIM OR HER TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, THE ORIGINAL, UH, WA WAS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          IS THAT THE PRACTICE HISTORICALLY? UM, IF THE MAYOR IF WORK, YES. 
          IF THE MAYOR WOULD, UH, ASK TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD DO THAT. 
          OR IF, UM, AT LEAST NOW IF, IF THE MAYOR RECEIVES A REQUEST MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, CONCUR, THEN I WOULD PUT IT ON AFTER ACKNOWLEDGING IT AT, AT THE VERY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M, I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DISTINCTION HERE. 
          LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE 
          [02:35:01]
CHANGE. 
          I CAN I GIVE SOME BACK YEAH. 
          BACKGROUND. 
          I, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CHANGE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LEMME PROVIDE SOME CLARITY AND I'LL TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT. 
          PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          'CAUSE I, I DID ASK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE ASKED. 
          WELL, WELL, TOO, BUT, OKAY. 
          SO SOME OF THE BACKGROUND THERE WHEN I, UM, WAS ELECTED, UH, IN, WHAT WAS THAT, 23. 
          ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS, HOW DO I GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA? I WAS TOLD, YOU GOT ASKED TO THE MAYOR. 
          I'M LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF THE MAYOR DOESN'T WANNA PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, RIGHT? MY CONCERN AROUND THE, LET'S SAY IT WAS MY IDEA, AND THEN GET TWO OTHERS. 
          I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE LOWER. 
          WE SETTLED ON THAT. 
          TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE ONLY ACTUALLY TESTED THIS ONCE. 
          AND THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS AROUND THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE RECORDING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, I DID GO TO TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ASKED FOR THEIR SUPPORT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, AND THREE OF US AGREED. 
          WE SUBMITTED IT, IT CAME ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. 
          ULTIMATELY, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION. 
          IT WAS, UH, SHOT DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE CONCERN THERE WAS, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AND SHAEL WERE THE ONES THAT AGREED WITH ME ON THAT ONE, ABOUT HAVING THE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? BUT IF I WOULD'VE GONE TO COUNCILMAN, UH, CORCORAN AND SAID, HEY, DO YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT WE NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA? AND LUCKILY HE SAID YES, THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, OR I'M WILLING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          IF HE WOULD'VE SAID, NO, DAN, I'M NOT WILLING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          YOU'RE CRAZY. 
          THEN I WOULD'VE GONE TO COUNCILMAN, LET'S SAY, JUSTICE. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, I'D SAY WALKING QUO. 
          UM, IS, IS THE UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE YOU'VE NOW TALKED TO FOUR PEOPLE ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING. 
          SO MY CONCERN AND, AND, UM, WAS THE NUMBER THERE OF HOW MANY? SO I THOUGHT, WELL, IT SHOULD BE ONE PLUS ANOTHER TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION IF ASSUMING THE MAYOR DIDN'T WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? LIKE THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE THE EASIEST ROUTE. 
          I WOULD GO TO THE MAYOR AND SAY, CAN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION? UM, SO I THOUGHT WE SHOULD REVIEW THIS, GO BACK TO THAT NUMBER, BECAUSE I WANNA AVOID ANY DISCUSSION AROUND, WELL, AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME A WALKING FORM? AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE NUMBER BAND. 
          SURE. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU GO NEXT. 
          'CAUSE I SUSPECT YOU'RE ABOUT TO DESCRIBE WHAT A WALK-IN QUO MIGHT BE AND CLARIFY THAT QUESTION. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION LAST TIME. 
          WE'RE RENEWING IT. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD STAY THE SAME BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I THINK TWO IS TOO LOW, LOW OF A THRESHOLD. 
          BUT I, I, I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THAT SCENARIO IS THAT IN THAT SCENARIO, YOU'RE DISCUSSING HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE ITEM AND, AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA POTENTIALLY VOTE ON THE ITEM IN ORDER TO GET IN ON THE AGENDA. 
          THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WALKING QUORUM. 
          IF YOU GO TO A COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU SAY, I WANNA HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VIDEOTAPING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, DO I HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION? CAN, WILL YOU SIGN ONTO IT? THAT'S NOT A WALKING QUORUM. 
          NOW, IF YOU'RE LIKE, FOR A REASON, X, Y, Z, WE NEED TO RECORD THEM. 
          AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GAIN CONSENSUS, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE DISCUSSION ON OPEN RECORD IS GOING TO BE. 
          THAT IS AN ISSUE. 
          AND SO, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, AND QUITE FRANKLY, UNDER YOUR SCENARIO, IF, IF YOU COME TO ME AND I SAY NO, AND THEN YOU GO TO COUNCILMAN DORIA, I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE WITH TWO, BECAUSE NOW YOU TALK TO A LOT, RIGHT? SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I AM IN FAVOR OF LEAVING THE NUMBER THE SAME. 
          AND, AND YOU JUST HAVE TO POLICE YOURSELF NOT TO BE ACTUALLY HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT THAT YOU JUST WANT TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, AND I, TO CLARIFY, WE, THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          I DIDN'T SAY THESE ARE THE REASONS OR PROVIDE ANY, WHEN WE DID HAVE THAT, I, IT WAS A STRAIGHT ASK. 
          WE SUPPORT, PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, AND WE, WE THAT'S WHAT DISCUSSION, UM, DAWN, CAN YOU CLARIFY AND CONFIRM OR REBUKE WHAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE JUST SAID? I SUSPECT THAT SHE IS, I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO THINK SHE'S, SHE'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE ON THIS. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS SOME CONCERN WHEN YOU AND I HAD THAT DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME PAGE AND, AND THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY, THAT WAS PROBABLY MY FAULT. 
          COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. 
          JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT, THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION. 
          BUT, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE IS CORRECT. 
          IF IT'S SIMPLY WILL YOU SUPPORT PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA, THEN THAT WILL NOT BE, THIS, THIS PROCESS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, AS AMY DID GREAT WORK ON THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          WE LOOKED AROUND OTHER CITIES UTILIZE THIS EXACT PROCESS. 
          AND SO IF IT, IF IT'S AS SIMPLE AS WILL YOU SUPPORT, UM, PLACING THIS ITEM ON AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN YOU WILL NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT BY ASKING MORE THAN FOUR, OR ASKING FOR OR MORE THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS, GIVEN THAT INFORMATION AND THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE JUST HAD. 
          UM, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM PULLING THIS OUT, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM LEAVING AS IS. 
          SWEET. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, I THINK YOU SAID YOU ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, SO MAYBE, YES. 
          SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, JUST TO, JUST TO SEE IF WE ALL, IF WE ALL, IF THERE'S CLARITY AMONGST THE SEVEN OF US, THEN THERE'S PROBABLY NO REASON TO MAKE ANY EDITS, BUT JUST MAKING SURE WE ALL SEE IF WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          I MEAN, THE MAYOR AS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO UNILATERALLY ADD ITEMS TO THE AGENDA, YES OR 
          [02:40:01]
NO? MY THOUGHT WAS YES. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          TO UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL CHANGE IS WHAT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN DONE, TAKE THIS COUNCIL JUST FOR THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS. 
          HOW, HOW DO WE GET, IS IT THE CITY MANAGER BRINGS THAT TO THE MAYOR AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT I INTEND TO PUT ON THE AGENDA? OR LIKE HOW DOES THAT PROCESS ACTUALLY WORK, I GUESS IS WOULD HELP CONVERSATION? NO, FOR, FOR, FOR MY ENTIRE TENURE. 
          AND, AND I THINK MY TWO PREDECESSORS, THE COUNCIL HAS ALLOWED THE CITY MANAGER TO SET THE AGENDA. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT GO INTO SETTING AN AGENDA OTHER THAN JUST PICKING THE TOPICS. 
          AND SO IT'S EVERYTHING FROM STAFF RESOURCES TO CONSULTANTS TO WHAT'S REQUIRED BY PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND WHAT TIME PERIOD. 
          I MEAN, THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SET AN AGENDA, THERE, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL IMPORTANT FACTORS. 
          AND SO, UM, I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THIS WAS, THE SPIRIT BEHIND THIS WAS MORE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A ORDERLY PROCESS FOR GETTING AN ITEM ON AN AGENDA. 
          THAT PERHAPS THERE'S DISAGREEMENT ABOUT. 
          DOES THAT FALL WITHIN, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE POLICY DIRECTION OF, OF THE COUNCIL MM-HMM . 
          AND SO, UM, BUT FROM A, I I, I DON'T FEEL AS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UH, MY TIME AS DEPUTY OR MANAGER, I'VE NEVER FELT LIKE THE, THE PROCESS ITSELF WAS EVER AN ISSUE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, WAS THERE A RECOMMENDED CHANGE HERE OR, I MEAN, I FEEL THAT WAS CLEAR. 
          CAN I, CAN I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING? AND, AND SO, SO THAT'S ALSO WHY WE PUT IN YOUR THURSDAY PACKET, THE AGENDA PREVIEW, SO THAT IF THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM THE COUNCIL, YOU'LL KNOW SEVERAL WEEKS IN ADVANCE WHAT I AM PLANNING. 
          AND SO THAT'S ALSO VERY HELPFUL IF THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT DOES COME UP WELL, I, I, LAST MINUTE TRIP'S COME UP AND I'VE GOTTA GO OUTTA TOWN. 
          WELL, WE CAN TALK THROUGH THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND SO I, UH, I FEEL LIKE IT'S WORKING OKAY. 
          IF, IF YOU, YEAH, I THINK IT'S WORKING GREAT. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY COOL, THERE'S NO RECOMMENDED TO CHANGE IF WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MSO, I GUESS I NEED TO MOVE IT UP. 
          NO, NO, IT'S OKAY. 
          I, I SAW IT. 
          I JUST, I THOUGHT I GOT EXCITED. 
          NO, I THINK, I THINK HAVING THREE IS IMPORTANT. 
          NOT, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK LOWERING THAT NUMBER IS, UH, WILL, YOU KNOW, WILL NOT BENEFIT US. 
          UH, NOT ONLY ONE ITEM. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, FEW, COUPLE MONTHS AGO I DID, UH, REQUEST, UH, AN ITEM TO DISCUSS. 
          THAT'S THE REVIEW OF BOARDS AND COMMISSION PROCESS THAT WE ARE DISCUSS DISCUSSING TONIGHT. 
          AND WE DID LAST, LAST WEEK. 
          I DID APPROACH THAT TO A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULD'VE GONE TO THE NEXT ONE IF THAT DID NOT SURE. 
          PROCESS. 
          SO, UH, SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I, WE DID NOT DISCUSS, WE KNOW ON ISSUE THAT WILL AGREE OR NOT AGREE. 
          IT'S TOTALLY INDIVIDUAL, BUT HAVING DISCUSSION, PUTTING ON THE AGENDA IS, IS ALWAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOD IDEA. 
          SO THE MORE WE CAN TALK, THE BETTER FOR US. 
          SO THREE IS GOOD, MALE IS GOOD, MANAGER IS GOOD. 
          ALL GOOD. 
          BUT MAKE IT THREE. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT SECTION IS 3.4. 
          AND THE QUESTION HERE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD, UH, SOME KIND OF, UH, COUNCIL LIMIT, UH, ON DISCUSSION TIME SO THAT MULTIPLE ROUNDS CAN BE ORDERLY, BE A GOOD IDEA? YEAH. 
          SO, UH, BEING A FAN OF WATCHING COUNCIL MEETINGS, 'CAUSE I DON'T GET ENOUGH HERE. 
          UH, SOMETIMES I WATCH OTHER COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I NOTICE THAT, UH, UH, THAT THERE ARE KIND OF RULES OF, UH, ORDER IN TERMS OF, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME PER SPEAKER AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UH, I'M NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT ANY KIND OF LIMITATION, BUT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO MOVE ON FROM ONE SPEAKER TO THE NEXT, TO AT LEAST GET EVERYBODY THROUGH ONCE, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT UP BECAUSE I, FROM TIME TO TIME, THIS COMES UP AS A, AS A CONVERSATION. 
          SO, YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YEAH, I, I, I HAD A COUPLE UNDERLINE MINUTES HERE. 
          JUST WANT TO, UH, STATE 'EM OUT LOUD. 
          IT SAYS, NO COUNCIL MEMBER IS ENTITLED TO BE CALLED ON TO SPEAK A SECOND TIME ON THE SAME SUBJECT, UNLESS ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF WE AM ON 3.4. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF WE FOLLOW THAT RULE A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IN, IN GENERAL, I, I, I DO AGREE WITH THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, AND LET ON E IT SAYS, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL GOVERN THEMSELVES AS THE LENGTH OF THEIR COMMENTS AND PRESENTATION, AND SHALL BE MINDFUL OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS' RIGHT TO SPEAK. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD AVOID REP REPETITIVE COMMENTS AND BE CONCISE. 
          I HAVE TO AGREE ON BOTH OF THOSE. 
          I WANNA SAY THOSE OUT LOUD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU AGREE WITH THE WAY IT'S, EVERYTHING'S WRITTEN. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR WHILE YOU'RE LISTENING. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, UH, IF I EVER GET PEOPLE OUT OF ORDER, IT'S JUST, 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE SAME OLD TOOL THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE, BUT WE WILL HAVE IT IN THE NEXT, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I, I SOMETIMES DON'T CATCH EXACT ORDERS AND DON'T ALWAYS KEEP NOTES OF EXACTLY WHETHER OR NOT EVERYONE'S ALREADY SPOKEN ON SOMETHING. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER 
          [02:45:01]
BARS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I LIKE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. 
          UM, AS COUNCILMAN DORIAN SAID, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ON THIS, I KNOW, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE COUNCIL, I ASKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ROBERT TOOLS AND HOW MUCH WE USE. 
          AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF HEARD WE DON'T USE AN OFFICIAL ROBERT TOOLS. 
          AND I KNOW A FEW MONTHS AGO IT CAME, CAME ACROSS BECAUSE, UM, COUNCILMAN DORIAN, I KNOW, I, I BELIEVE HE HAD A MOTION. 
          I SPOKE UP AND HE SAID, WELL, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          AND THERE WAS A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN COUNCILMAN DORIAN AND I, AND IT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, THE KIND OF STUFF THAT POTENTIALLY MAY HAPPEN, ALTHOUGH IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED. 
          UM, SO I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE PUT ON MAYBE LOOKING AT HOW OTHER CITIES DO IT OR WHAT, HOW, AMY, YOU WOULD, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE A LOT MORE THAN MINE. 
          UM, HOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ROBERT TOOLS DO OTHER COUNCILS USE. 
          HOW IS THAT MANAGED TO, JUST SO THAT ONE, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN AGAIN, COUNCILMAN DORIAN DOESN'T GO AROUND, YOU KNOW, FEELING DISRESPECTED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I FELT LIKE IT WAS RUSHED AND I NEEDED TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          AND WE DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF STUFF TO HAPPENING. 
          THIS, THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE ORDER AND THE LENGTH OF TIME. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES DIFFERENT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT PERHAPS IN A DIFFERENT ITEM, BUT THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          SO DO WE WANT TO GOVERN AT ALL THE AMOUNT OF TIME? I THINK THE ANSWER SO FAR HAS BEEN NO, AND I'M OKAY IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          I JUST WANNA HAVE THE DISCUSSION, SO WE'RE GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          SO, SO TO ADDRESS WHAT I JUST SAID, ARE WE GONNA DISCUSS THAT LATER? OR, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S AN, IS THERE A ROBERTS RULES ITEM THAT WE CALLED UP? I MEAN, IN, IN THE RULES OF, I'M, I'M SORRY, . 
          WAS THERE A, WAS THERE A ROBERT'S RULES ITEM THAT'S BEEN PULLED OUT IN THE RULES OF ORDER AND PER THERE WASN'T IN THE RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE? UM, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR VERSION OF, UH, RULE ROBERT'S RULES. 
          UM, THIS IS, SO, I MEAN, WE COULD GO BACK AND REVIEW THIS. 
          UM, ACTUALLY THE, THE ISSUE YOU BRING UP, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRS, I THINK IS ADDRESSED IN THIS. 
          UM, BUT THIS WAS WHAT WE, THIS IS WHAT YOU DECIDED LAST TERM WAS. 
          WE WOULD BE ARTICULATE ABOUT HOW THE ORDER, UM, WOULD, UM, WOULD, WOULD GO IN THIS AND NOT USE ROBERT'S, UH, THE FULL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE JUST FOR EFFICIENCY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS ON THE RULES OF ORDER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          NO, I'M JUST ADDRESSING BOTH YOUR END COUNCIL MEMBER BAREZ AS COMMENTS MAYOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS GIVING, GIVING US A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AND NOT HAVING SORT OF SET TIMES. 
          SURE. 
          AND JUST SAYING, LOOK, YOU'RE THE CHAIR, YOU'RE THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND SO YOU CAN DO YOUR THING AND GOVERN IT. 
          THE ORDER, HOW YOU SEE FIT, IF THERE'S A DISPUTE, AND IF SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH IT, SO BE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY CAN CONFRONT YOU AFTER THE MEETING AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY VIEWPOINT. 
          OKAY. 
          BOTH, BOTH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER I, JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, I, I MEAN, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT WOULD BE LIKE A REAL PAIN FOR AMY TO LIKE, START THAT CLOCK EVERY TIME ONE OF US STARTS TALKING AND SO THAT WE HAVE AN, YOU KNOW, AN AWARENESS. 
          WE, I'M NOT SAYING A BUZZER GOES OFF, BUT AN AWARENESS OF, OH, I'VE BEEN TALKING FOR 15 MINUTES. 
          NOT THAT ANY OF YOU WOULD EVER DO THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE TOO LABORIOUS. 
          AND SO I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CORCORAN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HAVING YOU GOVERN THE MEETING. 
          AND WITH RESPECT TO ROBERT'S RULES, IT'S 800 PAGES AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO INCORPORATE IT. 
          AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS, IS SUFFICIENT. 
          PERFECT. 
          LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, 5.3. 
          UH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, MM-HMM . 
          WELL, UH, APOLOGIZE. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD TURN TO PAGE 5.2, I'M SORRY, IF YOU COULD TURN TO SECTION 5.2, UM, UNDER, UM, 13, PAGE 13, UM, THERE WAS JUST THE, THE QUESTION OF, UH, IS THERE AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO DEFINE SUBJECT MATTER UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY? I'M SORRY. 
          SO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          YEP. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT IT IS, IS THERE, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          IT, UM, 5.2. 
          YEAH. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT IS RELATED TO ITEMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE, THE CITY, THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. 
          I THINK THAT, THAT I, IS THERE A LIST THAT YOU COULD COME UP WITH? I, I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN, I I THINK WE COULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE. 
          AND THEN I THINK THE INTERPRETATION, UM, WOULD BE 5.3. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING, UM, YOU KNOW, QUESTION. 
          UM, I MEAN I, OBVIOUSLY WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THINGS THAT, WE DEFINITELY HAVE THINGS THAT WE, WE CAN DEFINE AS JURISDICTION, BUT I THINK IT, I THINK THE APPLICATION WOULD BE THE TRICKIER PART. 
          AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE, TO THE MAYOR. 
          WOULD THERE BE A SHORTER LIST THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE JURISDICTION VERSUS DEFINING 
          [02:50:01]
EVERYTHING THAT IS ? UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY THAT I THINK THIS PLACE, I THINK PE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAS LIKE THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. 
          THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT TO. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, ACCORDING TO THIS, THEY CAN'T, THAT'S, WE SHOULD THERE TOPICS AND ALL THIS. 
          I THINK THIS IS TOTALLY CENSORING PEOPLE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD NOT CENSOR ANYONE. 
          WELL, I, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE'S POINT, I THINK IS, IS THAT, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          THAT WE ARE CENSORING THEM TECHNICALLY IN FIVE THREE. 
          SO SHOULD WE STRIKE THE SUBJECT MATTER AS, AS PERHAPS THE QUESTION? YEAH, NO, MY QUESTION WAS, THIS WAS ME, I BROUGHT THIS AND SHOULD, I THOUGHT, IS THERE A WAY TO DEFINE WHAT THIS MEANS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S VAGUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE WE WANNA LEAVE IT VAGUE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, OH, THIS WAS OLD. 
          THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. 
          THIS IS THE CURRENT, THIS IS EXISTING, THIS IS WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2023. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR PER TIM HU UH, I MEAN, I, I THINK WHERE THE, THE, THE, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. 
          I THINK WHERE, WHEN WE SAY IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION, JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, I'M GONNA GO BACK, WE HAD ONE EVENING WE HAD 30 SPEAK SPEAKERS SPEAKING ABOUT THE ISRAELI PALESTINIAN WAR. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S LOTS OF FEELINGS ON THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO, TO DO ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO THAT WAR. 
          SO I THINK TO, TO, AND I'M, I DON'T, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, BUT WHEN I READ THIS, I HAD THE EXACT SAME QUESTION OF WHAT IT, WHAT IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. 
          BECAUSE WHAT MY CONCERN IS, AND THIS IS MY ONLY CONCERN, IS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST NOW WE HAVE IT BROKEN UP IN THE 30 MINUTES AND AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, WHEREAS BEFORE, IF WE SPENT TWO AND A HALF, THREE HOURS TALKING ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR TOPIC, THAT IN MY DEFINITION OF WHEN I THINK OF WHAT'S WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, THEN WE DON'T, THEN WE RUSH THROUGH THE THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY AND THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE, ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THESE ITEMS. AND I'M NOT TRYING, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANY KIND OF A, OF A STATEMENT SAYING THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T HAVE, SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, FREE SPEECH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          BUT IT'S NOT WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF, OF THAT, OF THAT CONFLICT. 
          SO DOES THAT FALL WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY? AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE, AND I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AT LEAST. 
          YEP. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VARGAS. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE, THE MOMENTS I THINK OF, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE STRIKE THAT PART ABOUT THE JURISDICTION IN THE CITY. 
          BECAUSE WHILE WE DON'T HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SAME TO FOR THE SAKE OF USING THE SAME EXAMPLE, MAYOR PER USE, WE HAVE NOTHING TO SAY WHEN IT COMES TO INTERNATIONAL POLICY, A WAR, WHAT'S GOING ON IN ISRAEL AND GAZA. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE DO HAVE THE INFLUENCE ON IS ONE, WE'RE THE MOST ACCESSIBLE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATION OF, OF WHAT OUR NATION IS FOUNDED ON, IS HAVING THAT ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT. 
          SO THEREFORE WE ARE THAT CLOSEST PARK TO THE PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUT. 
          AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY IN CHARGE TO, UM, CREATE THIS PLACE OF SAFE BEING NOT JUST THROUGH, UM, THROUGH OUR POLICIES, THROUGH, THROUGH POLICE, THROUGH ALL THE MANY DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT AS A CITY WE OFFER. 
          AND I THINK IT, IT SPEAKS TOWARDS THAT IS DO THEY HAVE A SAFE PLACE THAT, THE EXAMPLE I THOUGHT OF INITIALLY, BUT PRIOR TO, TO THAT, WHILE THAT IS ONE OF THEM IS, I THINK I HAD JUST JOINED THE COUNCIL WHEN IT WAS THAT TALK AROUND THE NRA AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST GROUP WE'VE EVER HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL. 
          WE HAD OVER 200 PEOPLE SHOW UP AGAINST NRA AND I THINK WE HAD A DOZEN OR TWO FOR THE NRA AND WE'RE WALKING AROUND SAYING, WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING TO THE NRA. 
          BUT SOMEHOW IT HAD GOTTEN OUT THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING DOING SOME KIND OF ECONOMIC DEAL WITH THE NRA AND A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          SO WE COULD HAVE SAID, WELL THAT DOESN'T AFFECT US 'CAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO ALL THESE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS, IT WAS A VERY TRUE EXPERIENCE FOR THEM. 
          AND THEY FELT DEEPLY IMP, PA YOU KNOW, PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. 
          SO I THINK BEING THE CLOSEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, THAT'S THAT TIE TO THE FREEDOM OF SPEECHES. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, SHAEL STANDS FOR. 
          SO I, OR MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          SO I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK THAT WE REMOVE THAT PART BECAUSE WITHOUT A DEFINING OF IT, IT KIND OF IS LIMITING WITHOUT DEFINITION. 
          AND I, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS COUNCIL MEMBER SHAEL. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIO EXPLAIN IT REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, NOT TODAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GAZA THINGS, BUT TOMORROW IS NOT GONNA BE GAZA. 
          THINGS CHANGE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU SUFFER TODAY, TOMORROW SOMEBODY ELSE WILL SUFFER. 
          THINGS CHANGE. 
          AND EVEN WE HAD 
          [02:55:01]
A GUY, YOU KNOW, WHO CAME TWICE, TIKTOK GUY. 
          HE'S, HE'S SAYING, SO THESE ARE THE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD MAKE THIS PLACE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. 
          UH, THEY SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE, WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN, YOU CAN PROGRESS. 
          UH, IF YOU TRY TO CENSOR THINGS, THAT'S WHEN ALL THE PROBLEMS HAPPENING OVER OVERSEAS. 
          UH, TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT. 
          WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO LIMIT THAT TRANSPARENCY. 
          SURE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH ALL THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THE LANGUAGE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE THE LANGUAGE IN AND PROVIDE THE MAYOR LATITUDE IF FOR SOME REASON THERE'S A SCENARIO WE CAN'T THINK OF IN THIS EXACT MOMENT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED FINE. 
          AND WE'VE NEVER ENFORCED IT BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA SORT OF HYPOTHESIZE WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT I THINK WE LEAVE IT IN THERE AND, AND SO THAT THE, THE MAYOR HAS THE DESCRIPTION IF NEEDED. 
          EJECT BUTTON IN CASE I NEED ONE. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. 
          I THINK NO CHANGE THEN. 
          AH, FIVE. 
          FIVE. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT TO DO? UH, ? NO, FIVE THREE. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS SUBJECT MATTER. 
          YEAH. 
          DID WE SKIP ANOTHER ONE? YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          WHICH ONE IS IT? UM, WELL, LET'S DO THIS ONE. 
          5 0 5 IS, UH, TIME LIMITS. 
          THERE WAS A SUGGESTION OF POSSIBLY PROVIDING RESIDENTS OF RICHARDSON WITH, UH, FIVE MINUTES AND MAYBE NON-RESIDENTS OR EVEN RES EVEN SPEAKERS ON TOPICS THAT, UM, ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA WITH, UH, A LESS AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          JUST NOT, NOT, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF THE ISSUE THERE. 
          ANYBODY WANT TO YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER EMEL? NO, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR EVERYONE, RESIDENTS, NON-RESIDENTS. 
          BUT I DO HAVE SOME SUGGESTION. 
          YOU MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH THAT, BUT SOMETIMES REPETITIVE, REPETITIVE COMMENTS COME FROM, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SET THREE MINUTES IF WE HAVE 20 SPEAKERS, SAME TOPICS, SAME THINGS, SAME. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING LEGALLY POSSIBLE, UH, JUST FOR THAT NIGHT, UH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO NOT REPEAT OURSELF, BUT WE ARE TRYING, YOU KNOW, LETTING THE SAME REPEAT THINGS HAPPEN, LIKE FROM THE VISITORS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN SWITCH TO ADD OPTION THERE THREE MINUTE IF, IF SITUATION HAPPENS. 
          I THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT IF WE WANT TO. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT EJECT BUTTON IF WE WANT IT, UM, TODAY. 
          OKAY, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD PUT US, YEAH. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN BAREZ. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MAYOR HAS THAT ABILITY, AND LET'S SAY THE MAYOR JUST DECIDES HE'S TIRED OF HEARING EVERYBODY AND JUST SAYS, WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN TO TWO MINUTES. 
          WE, AS A COUNCIL CAN THEN PUSH BACK AND SAY, WELL, MAYOR, WE THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THEN TAKE A VOTE AND OVERRIDE IS MY UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT? UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. 
          DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE PROCESS. 
          THAT'S THE PROCESS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          ALL RIGHT? MOVING ON TO THIS. 
          UM, THE, I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LIMIT ANY FURTHER. 
          'CAUSE THEN YOU START ASKING, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RESIDENT, NON-RESIDENT, WELL ARE THEY A BUSINESS OWNER? DO THEY WORK IN THE CITY? WHAT OTHER FORM OF INVESTMENT DO THEY GO TO CHURCH HERE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE INVEST IN THE CITY OTHER THAN JUST PAYING TAXES, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH INVESTMENT, WORKING HERE, ATTENDING WORSHIP, PART OF A COMMUNITY GROUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF LIMITING THAT. 
          NO CHANGE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, OH YEAH, MAYOR . 
          SO, SO GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN BARRIO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE CONCERN OR QUESTION I THINK THAT GETS POSED IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE STATED THAT WE'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES. 
          I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF TIME WHEN 20 PEOPLE, 30 PEOPLE, 40 PEOPLE WANT TO GET UP AND TALK FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE EXACT MM-HMM . 
          SAME THING. 
          I THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO TO SAY THAT. 
          BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IF IF WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN RATHER THAN, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE AUTHORITY AWAY ON YOU MAYOR, I'M JUST SIMPLY TRYING TO SAY, SHOULD WE AS A COUNCIL, SHOULD WE DISCUSS THAT QUICKLY BEFORE WE GO TO OPEN, UH, WHATEVER, I'M SORRY. 
          I FORGET WHAT IT'S EXACTLY CALLED. 
          WE CALL IT THE RIGHT THING. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          AND THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE BAD GUY SAYING, WELL, TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE 30 PEOPLE ALL WANTING TO TALK ON WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          THE, THE NRA FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THAT ONE. 
          'CAUSE THAT ONE WAS FAR ENOUGH BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ARE GOING TO LIMIT, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON THE NRA BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OF YOU DOWN TO TWO 
          [03:00:01]
MINUTES OR THREE MINUTES, RATHER THAN JUST YOU BEING THE BAD GUY. 
          I MEAN, I, I, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION IS IF WE COULD, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE CONSIDER DOING THAT THAT WAY THEN IF THERE IS ANY, MY WORDS POLITICAL BLOWBACK, BLOWBACK. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ON YOU, IT'S ON ALL OF US. 
          I, I FEAR THAT THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM WITH THE AGENDA THOUGH. 
          IF IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM, THEN CAN WE DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA REDUCE IT TO TWO MINUTES ON THE FLY LIKE THAT AS A GROUP? UH, WELL YOU COULD. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, BUT IF YOU WANTED NO, I KNOW. 
          IT'S, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE WE WANNA CONSIDER THAT, THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST ON THE MAYOR. 
          'CAUSE IF, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THE NRA GROUP THAT NIGHT. 
          I, IT WAS PAUL, WASN'T IT, WAS IT PAUL? WAS IT BOB? THAT WAS IT WAS BOB. 
          WAS IT BOB? WE HAD, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT, OKAY. 
          WHOEVER IT WAS. 
          I WOULD HATE FOR, FOR HIM, HIM, WHOEVER WHO'S EVER SITTING IN THAT CHAIR TO BE THE TOTAL PERSON CARRYING THAT WEIGHT. 
          I THINK WE ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AT THAT POINT. 
          IF, IF WE CAN SOMEHOW FASHION IT AND BE WITHIN THE RULES TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE 30 SPEAKERS ON THE EXACT SAME TOPIC, THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. 
          THAT AS A COUNCIL, WE'D LIKE TO REDUCE THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC. 
          I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING IN PERPETUITY, BUT ON A PARTICULAR TOPIC DOWN TO, TO TWO MINUTES OR THREE MINUTES, UH, I'M JUST, I'M PROPOSING THAT, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SITUATION HAPPENED LIKE THAT AND THE MALE MAKE THAT DECISION, HE'S GONNA BE THE BAD GUY. 
          I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTOOD, PRACTICAL, THAT JUST MAKE THE DECISION ON THE GO, UH, FOR THESE KIND OF SMALL THINGS IF WE START MICROMANAGING PROTECTING THE MALE THINKING. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTOOD AND YEAH, I I THINK THAT I WHAT MAYBE COUNCILMAN HU WRITER WAS GETTING AT A RECENT EVENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THAT COULD HAVE HAD BLOWBACK ON THE MAYOR. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THAT COUCHMAN HUNTER RIDERS TRYING TO SORT OF GIVE THE MAYOR, UM, SOME SUPPORT HERE. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON THERE IS A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE THAT'S COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE WILL DECIDE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO MINUTES OR THREE MINUTES. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR COMMENTS TO BE. 
          THAT'S AS A RECENT EXAMPLE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          I DON'T, I THINK IF, IF I, I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD, SHOULD CARRY THAT BURDEN ALONG FOR LACK. 
          BETTER CARRY THE LOADS. 
          SO I, I THINK, UM, WE CAN ASK MR. MAGNAR TO, UH, JUST VERIFY THAT THERE COULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM ADDED. 
          UM, THAT WOULD JUST BE A PERMANENT AGENDA ITEM THERE IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S NEEDED. 
          UH, WE COULD, WE COULD UTILIZE IT IF, IF THAT CASE HAPPENED AND I NEEDED TO CALL ON IT. 
          IS THAT FAIR? YES. 
          MAYOR, WHAT WE LET, LET ME DO A LITTLE RESEARCH, BUT WE, WE COULD LIKELY DO IS ADD SOME LANGUAGE TO, UM, THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS USUALLY WHERE THIS FALLS. 
          THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE LATITUDE TO DISCUSS TIMING IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          ACTUALLY, THAT WAS IT. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          WE HAD A, A LITTLE BIT OF A, A DISCONNECT ON A CHART THAT I WAS USING. 
          UM, BUT THAT WERE, THAT WAS ALL THE, ALL THE SECTIONS AND ALL THE FEEDBACK. 
          UM, I THINK WE WILL, UM, UH, PROBABLY LET ME, UH, THINK WITH JUST A HANDFUL OF VERY MINOR EDITS HERE. 
          I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, WE CAN NOW PLACE THIS IN AN, IN, IN AN UPCOMING PACKET ON TUESDAY FOR YOU AS WE POST THE AGENDA. 
          YOU'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEXT SIX DAYS OR SO TO KIND OF REVIEW IT IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES. 
          UH, BUT WE'LL GET THIS, UH, SCHEDULED FOR PROBABLY, UH, YOUR NOVEMBER, UH, BUSINESS MEETING, UH, FOR ADOPTION. 
          SOUNDS GREAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WITH NOTHING. 
          OH, UH, YOU GOT YOUR LIGHT ON, UH, OUT. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, NOTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE 
          [8. REVIEW OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROCESS]
ON TO, UH, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS REVIEW OF BOARDS AND COMMISSION PROCESS. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, AMY IS GOING TO, UH, LEAD THIS BRIEFING. 
          UH, WE HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF HANDFUL OF, UH, FOLLOW ITEMS FROM OUR EARLIER BOARDING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          UH, WE'RE DRIVING HARD ON THIS BECAUSE WE REALLY WANNA TRY TO GET, UM, THE INTERVIEWS, UH, FOR YOUR EIGHT, UH, VACANCIES SCHEDULED, UH, SOMETIME IN PROBABLY THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER OF EARLY DECEMBER. 
          AND SO, UM, AMY'S DONE SOME GREAT JOB ALONG WITH GREG TO, UH, PROGRESS SOME OF THE HOMEWORK ITEMS WE HAD AND WE'RE BACK TO REPORT. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. MAGNER. 
          YES. 
          I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TO, UM, REPORT ON SOME OF THE FOLLOW UP ITEMS FROM YOUR OCTOBER 6TH MEETING. 
          AND AGAIN, HERE'S THE COUNCIL GOAL. 
          THIS ALIGNS WITH, AND IT'S STILL UNDER THE, UM, STRATEGY OF DOCUMENT AND CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVED BUSINESS PROCESSES. 
          SO THERE WERE TWO CATEGORIES THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED REFINEMENT TO, AND THAT IS THE BOARD DUTIES AND DESCRIPTIONS BY ENHANCING THE BOARD AND COMMISSION WEB PAGES, AND THEN ALSO THE INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT PROCESS BY DEVELOPING A MORE IN-DEPTH APPLICATION AND AN APPLICANT SCORING SYSTEM. 
          SO FOR BOARD DUTIES AND DESCRIPTIONS, UM, WE HAVE ENHANCED THE ONLINE BOARD DESCRIPTIONS. 
          WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF LIAISONS AS 
          [03:05:01]
WELL AS THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION IS ON THE WEBPAGES FOR EACH BOARD. 
          BUT OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM DID DEVELOP THIS TEMPLATE THAT WE DO HAVE PUBLISHED RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THIS ACTUALLY IS A SCREENSHOT OF THE SECTION, UM, UNDER THE CIEC PAGE AND IT COVERS THE ROLE OF THE BOARD, THE MEMBERSHIP AND TERMS ELIGIBILITY, AND THEN MEETING INFORMATION AND COUNCIL EXPECTATIONS AS FAR AS THE INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, WE RECEIVED, UH, FIVE QUESTIONS FROM Y'ALL AS SUGGESTIONS TO BE ADDED TO THE APPLICATION. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO SUGGESTED FIVE QUESTIONS TO BE ADDED TO THE APPLICATION. 
          SO WE SUGGEST HERE THAT WE PICK THREE TO ADD TO THE APPLICATION. 
          SO I WILL, UM, LET Y'ALL REVIEW THOSE FOR A MOMENT. 
          THE ONE SUBMITTED BY COUNCIL, WHY DO YOU WANT TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION? HOW DO YOU HANDLE CONFLICT AND DIFFICULT DECISIONS IF AND WHEN THEY ARISE? PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF. 
          HOW WILL YOU APPLY YOUR SKILLS AND BACKGROUND EXPERIENCE TO YOUR BOARD COMMISSION SELECTIONS? AND PROVIDE TWO REFERENCES WHO HAVE WITNESSED YOUR ACTIVITIES RELATING TO BOARD COMMISSIONS, THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS YOU HAVE SELECTED. 
          AND THEN SUGGESTED BY STAFF, WE HAVE, WHAT ARE YOU HELPING TO GAIN OR LEARN THROUGH YOUR SERVICE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION? WHAT MAKES THE BOARD COMMISSION TEAM EFFECTIVE IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? WHAT SKILLS OR EXPERTISE DO YOU BRING THAT COULD BENEFIT THE BOARD AND COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF RICHARDSON? IN WHAT WAYS ARE YOU INTERESTED IN CONTRIBUTING BEYOND THE BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS? AND WHAT DOES SERVANT LEADERSHIP MEAN TO YOU? PLEASE PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED SERVANT LEADERSHIP AND THESE QUESTIONS SUGGESTED BY STAFF OR THE, THE TYPICAL QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL USE DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. 
          SO I'LL LET Y'ALL DISCUSS THOSE FOR JUST A MOMENT. 
          MAY I PRETEND MY GENERATOR? SORRY, JUST THE, JUST A MOMENT PART MADE ME LAUGH. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          . 
          OH YEAH, REALLY? UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, FOUR SUBMITTED BY COUNSEL AND THREE SUGGESTED BY STAFF ARE BASICALLY SAYING THE SAME THING. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT I THINK SINCE WE BOTH KIND OF THOUGHT IT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE TO, TO PICK AND KIND OF, I MEAN, I, I THINK THEY BASICALLY ALMOST SAY THE EXACT SAME THING, BUT I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF WORDS, BUT I THINK MAYBE PUT THE TWO OF THOSE INTO ONE QUESTION. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT JUMPED. 
          THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT JUMPED RIGHT OUT AT ME, UM, GIVEN THAT BOTH, BOTH HAD SUGGESTED IT. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON A BORDER COMMISSION AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO GAIN? I THINK THOSE ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DO IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          COUNCILMAN ROGER SAID. 
          UM, PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF. 
          I, I THINK THAT THE APPLICATION IS DOING THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, OTHERWISE I THINK YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN COMBINE AS THE, AS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED, AND WE COULD PROBABLY GET THIS DOWN TO LIKE SIX QUESTIONS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND THOSE WOULD ACTUALLY BE VERY HELPFUL IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING CANDIDATES. 
          UH, THE, THE REQUEST YOU MADE WAS TO GET IT DOWN TO HOW MANY QUESTIONS AMY WE'RE SUGGESTING? THREE. 
          THREE TOTAL FOR THE LENGTH OF THE APPLICATION. 
          BUT IT'S BETWEEN THE 10. 
          YES, BETWEEN THE 10 TOTAL. 
          BRING YOU DOWN TO THREE, BUT CERTAINLY YOUR DISCRETION COUNSEL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND WE, I MEAN, WE COULD HYPOTHETICALLY GO MORE THAN THREE, BUT THE REQUEST WAS POTENTIALLY THREE. 
          UM, SO, SO WE AT LEAST WE'VE STRUCK ONE AND WE'VE, UH, COMBINED ONE, SO I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO EIGHT. 
          UH, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SORRY, I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS THE ASK US TO JUST DO THREE. 
          HONESTLY, IF WE JUST TOOK STAFFS FIVE, I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THOSE FIVE. 
          UM, SO MM-HMM . 
          I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THOSE GET TO THE SORT OF HEART OF ALL OF WHAT WE'RE AFTER WHEN WE'RE INTERVIEWING. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS LET'S JUST TAKE STAFF'S FIVE SUGGESTED AND GO WITH IT. 
          COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY JUST STICK WITH THE TOP THREE OF STAFF. 
          UM, I THINK THE TOP 3, 1, 2, 3 UNDER STAFF SUGGESTED, UH, IS SUFFICIENT. 
          AMY, I DO HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION ON THE APPLICATION. 
          I KNOW THAT WHEN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN WE'VE, WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT APPLICANTS AND WE MEET SOME WEEKS, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, I ALWAYS STRUGGLE REMEMBERING NAMES WITH THE FACES AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE SUBMIT PICTURES, SOMETIMES SOME PEOPLE DO NOT. 
          USUALLY THE ONES THAT DON'T SUBMIT PICTURE, IT'S LIKE, OH, DOES YOU KNOW WHO MEMBERS THIS PERSON? UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE MEET IN THIS COURSE OF OUR WORK, ARE THERE, DO YOU HAVE CERTAIN QUESTIONS THAT ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED? ARE THEY ALL REQUIRED? IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE A PICTURE REQUIRED? I MEAN, WHEN, LIKE, CAN YOU KIND OF KIND OF SHARE YES, WE CAN MAKE THAT REQUIRED? WHY WOULD WE REQUIRE THE PICTURE SO THAT WE CAN REMEMBER? IT HELPS US TIE A NAME WITH A FACE AND SAY, OH YEAH, I REMEMBER THIS PERSON. 
          OR, YOU KNOW, AND BUT DOES IT, WHEN IT COMES AROUND TO SORRY. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD, MAYOR. 
          MY, MY ONLY THING IS, IS I KNOW IN, IN THE, IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD WHEN WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE, 
          [03:10:01]
WE DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND, AND, AND TECHNICALLY A, A GOOD DEAL OF WHAT WE'VE SUGGESTED THAT LED TO THIS PARTICULAR MEETING IS THAT WE WANNA ACTUALLY JUDGE PEOPLE ON THE ANSWERS AND THE QUALITY OF THEIR APPLICATION VERSUS WHETHER OR NOT WE KNOW THEM OR WHETHER OR NOT WE REMEMBER THEM OR ANY OF THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND FAIR ENOUGH. 
          SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THOUGHT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID EITHER, SO YEAH. 
          I, AND IT, IT ALSO REMOVES POTENTIAL BIAS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN'S, I THINKS ONE OF THE REASONS, AGAIN, WHY AGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT USUALLY DON'T SHOW UP ON APPLICATIONS REAL WELL. 
          WELL, LAST THING I WANT DO IS CREATE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CREATE A BIAS. 
          SURE. 
          AND I, I THINK ANYBODY KNOWS ME, KNOWS THAT, UH, I, I GUESS THE SPIRIT BEHIND WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK, AND YOU HAVE SOME REALLY VALID POINTS, MAYOR, 'CAUSE I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          UM, THE, THE SPEAR BEHIND THAT IS SOMETIMES THE, THEY'RE LIGHT A LOT OF TIMES THE, SO I JUST WISH MAYBE JUST MAYBE REQUIRING THE QUESTIONS AS BEING REQUIRED VERSUS THE PICTURE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS THERE WAS A WAY OF SAYING WE COULD ADD A QUESTION. 
          HOW DO YOU KNOW DAN BARRIOS? NO, NOT . 
          THEY COULD REMIND YOU. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DOREEN. 
          YEAH, NO, I, I I THINK THOSE ARE VALID POINTS, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE AUTOMATICALLY, THEY PROVIDE A, AN IMAGE WHERE THEY SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, DON'T THEY? I'VE NOT, I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN TRUE. 
          THAT'S TRADITIONALLY THE WAY IT IS. 
          AND I HAVE TO AGREE. 
          I, I FIND IT, UM, EASIER TO TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO YOU'RE DEAL, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, BUT I MEAN, WE EVEN ASKED FOR THAT IN OUR APPLICATIONS OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE IN THE REAL WORLD, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF MANDATORY. 
          PLUS ANYBODY CAN GO ON LINKEDIN OR, OR FACEBOOK AND LOOK UP THAT PERSON IF THEY WANT. 
          SO I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE APPLICATION AS A FULL PACKAGE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE, BUT NOT TO THOSE OTHER POINTS. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE VALID POINTS, BUT I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OPTION AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT. 
          THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEWEST BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATIONS. 
          I APOLOGIZE IF, UH, THAT'S BEEN A PART OF MY HOMEWORK, BUT I KNOW IN, IN PREVIOUS WORLD, I, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT ANYONE LOOKED LIKE. 
          I JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT THEIR APPLICATION WHEN I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER BEFORE, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY REQUIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THEY CAN ATTACH AND SOME DO AND SOME DON'T. 
          THEY CAN IF THEY CHOOSE. 
          SURE. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER INE, UH, SSO, I PREFER RF AND THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          ? UH, NO, I MEAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT STILL LIKE THREE QUESTION OR FIVE QUESTION? I MEAN, UH, YEAH, I, I I THINK THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE EITHER GO WITH THE STAFF FIVE OR IF IT, IF WE WANTED TO CUT IT TO THREE, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS SUGGESTED MAYBE THE TOP THREE OF STAFFS, IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT, WE CAN GO WITH THOSE THREE. 
          UNLESS THERE'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION YOU LIKE, EVEN BETTER. 
          NO, I THINK THAT, I THINK STAFF CAME UP WITH THE QUESTION. 
          THOSE ARE LIKE, IT GIVES YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE A CERTAIN WAY YOU HAVE TO ANSWER. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, OTHERWISE SUBMITTED BY THE COUNCIL WAS LIKE, OKAY, IT'S A QUESTION THERE. 
          YOU CAN ANSWER MANY WAY. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THE STUFF QUESTIONS ARE LIKE, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO ANSWER A CERTAIN WAY. 
          IT GUIDES YOU FOR THE ANSWER. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, READ THAT QUESTION, YOU KNOW, TOP THREE IS NOT REALLY TOP THREE. 
          IT'S LIKE ONE, THREE, AND FIVE PROBABLY. 
          YOU GET, IF YOU READ THOSE ONE, THREE AND FIVE, YOU GET EVERYTHING PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH MY SUGGESTION, IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDATION BE ONE, THREE, AND FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, PICTURE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMMATERIAL BECAUSE YOU CAN REALLY SEARCH UP PICTURES THROUGH ALL THOSE. 
          MAYBE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT OTHERWISE, MOST OF THE TIME WE KNOW THE CANDIDATES AT LEAST ONE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWS THE CANDIDATE AND NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE SEVEN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME FOR, YOU KNOW, JOB APPLICATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PICTURES ARE NOT REQUIRED THERE, BUT LINKEDIN ACCOUNT ARE RECOMMENDED SOMETIMES. 
          SURE. 
          SO YOU ASK MORE THAN THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE NON-ISSUE NOWADAYS WITH SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WE HAVE. 
          THERE IS NO PRIVACY, THERE IS NO PRIVATE THINGS. 
          WE CAN GO WAY. 
          SO 1, 1, 3 AND FIVE. 
          DO YOU WANT TO, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          ONE AND FIVE. 
          DO YOU WANT TO REQUIRE THE PICTURE OR DO YOU WANNA LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS TODAY? UH, YOU KNOW, THE, BECAUSE THE ANSWER THAT YOU HAVE SUGGESTED IT, IT PUTS LOTS OF WEIGHT ON THE ISSUE. 
          SO I WOULD, TO ME, THREE MATERIAL. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT FAIR ENOUGH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, I THINK OPTIONAL IS FINE. 
          IF WE'RE TRYING TO NARROW IT DOWN TO THREE, THEN I WOULD GO WITH THE FIRST THREE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, FOR ME, THE, THE FOURTH AND FIFTH ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT OF THOSE FIVE THAT STAFF HAS SUGGESTED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND YEAH, I HAPPEN TO LIKE TWO UNDER, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW CONFLICT IS HANDLED AS WELL. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD COME ACROSS WELL IN A WRITTEN QUESTION, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE. 
          MAYBE WE ADD A FOURTH. 
          SO JUST THROWING IT OUT 
          [03:15:01]
THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DNE. 
          YEAH, I, I, I AGREE. 
          I THINK THE FIRST THREE ARE, ARE FINE. 
          THOSE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE IN INTERVIEWS, WE COULD POTENTIALLY ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          YES. 
          ALSO, JUST THE TOP THREE THAT THEY NEED TO, THAT WE NEED TO GATHER DATA SO WE COULD AT LEAST EXAMINE THE FACTS. 
          UM, AND I DO AGREE WITH THE OPTIONAL PICTURE, BUT I WOULD ASK FOR IT TO BE, UM, PREFERRED, UH, JUST BECAUSE TO SAM OR COUNCILMAN, UM, SAM CHU'S POINT, UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU KNOW THEM OR YOU DON'T KNOW THEM, AND NOT EVERYBODY'S ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE, UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TRANSPARENT IF YOU WILL. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOOD TO IDENTIFY THE APPLICATION WITH AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT AGAIN, OPTIONAL BUT PREFERRED IS WHAT I WOULD PREFER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER . 
          SORRY. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE BOTH WAY PREFERRED OR OPTIONAL. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YOU JUST, YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY ONE THING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE WAY WE HAVE IT IS OPTIONAL AND I THINK ONE, TWO AND THREE SEEM TO BE THE CONSENSUS OVERALL, SO, OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALRIGHT, THE NEXT THING IS THE EVALUATION FORM. 
          AND SO WE'VE CREATED TWO OPTIONS FOR YOU. 
          AND THEY'RE BOTH VERY, VERY SIMILAR EXCEPT FOR THE, THE SCORING IS WHAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          SO, UM, FOR OPTION ONE, YOU ARE ABLE TO SCORE APPLICANTS IN EACH CATEGORY FOR A MAXIMUM OF FOUR POINTS. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS, YOU CAN ALLOCATE ONE POINT PER PROGRAM FOR A MAXIMUM OF FOUR POINTS. 
          AND SO THE CATEGORIES HERE YOU CAN SEE. 
          AND THEN WE PUT A DESCRIPTION FOR WHAT THE CATEGORIES ARE AND THEN HOW TO SCORE. 
          AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A TOTAL, UH, NUMBER OF POINTS WOULD BE, UM, 16 BASE POINTS PLUS, OH, WE DID ADD A, A CATEGORY FOR DISCUSSIONARY POINTS, AND THAT IS JUST FOR COUNSEL TO, UM, HAVE A WAY TO ALLOCATE POINTS JUST BASED ON THEIR OWN JUDGMENT OF THE APPLICANT AND WHAT UNIQUE VALUE OR PERSPECTIVE THEY MIGHT BRING TO THE BOARD. 
          UM, IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS. 
          UH, AMY, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UH, THE, SO IF THEY HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM, DOES THAT HYPOTHETICALLY GIVE THEM AN AUTOMATIC FOUR POINTS OR IS IT UP TO ONE POINT PER PROGRAM? IN THIS VERSION, IT WOULD BE ONE POINT PER PROGRAM. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, EZ MAYOR, UM, I WANNA SPEAK TO THIS. 
          I, BETWEEN ONE AND TWO, I WOULD SAY TWO. 
          AND THIS WAS ONE OF THIS KIND OF DIFFERENTIATES ONE OF MY CONCERNS WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY OPPOSED TO US. 
          UM, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, I, I BELIEVE, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, A TEACHER IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND I, I DO BELIEVE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCILS, WE'VE APPOINTED ONE TEACHER TO A BOARD AND COMMISSION, I THINK. 
          UM, AND, BUT LET'S SAY A TEACHER, FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER OPTION ONE, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF TEACHER ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE. 
          AND THE FEW THERE ARE, IT'S, AS A TEACHER, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING A DISTRICT REALLY SUPPORTS OR PAYS FOR. 
          UM, SO NATURALLY BY THE CHOICE OF YOUR PROFESSION, YOU HAVE LESS ABILITY. 
          AND SAY IF I WERE AN ENGINEER, UM, WHO I COULD JOIN, YOU KNOW, MANY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AS AN ENGINEER. 
          UM, BUT OPTION TWO PROVIDES MORE EQUITY FOR CERTAIN, UM, PROFESSIONS THAT MAY NOT BE AS, UH, I GUESS MANY OPTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION. 
          YEAH, CAN, CAN, CAN NAMING COVER TWO. 
          COULD YOU LET ME OH, SORRY. 
          YOU WANT ME TO COVER ? OKAY. 
          I JUST THAT WAY DAN, I THINK IT, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS GONNA MAKE A LOT MORE CONTEXT AFTER SHE EXPLAINS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M SORRY, . 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO HERE IN OPTION TWO, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE SCORING. 
          AND SO CA COUNSEL IS ABLE TO ASSIGN POINTS ONE THROUGH FOUR BASED ON THE VALUE YOU ASSOCIATE TO THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          HMM. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE APPLICANT LISTS FOUR LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS, YOU CAN ASSIGN A NUMBER OF POINTS YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE EITHER 1, 2, 3, OR MAXIMUM OF FOUR. 
          AND IT ALLOWS IF SOMEBODY HAS SIX OR EIGHT OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST GONNA GIVE YOU, AND, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASSIGN WHATEVER WEIGHT YOU THINK THAT COMBINATION OF LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS OR THAT COMBINATION OF SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE. 
          THE, THE ONLY QUESTION THOUGH IS, IS THAT THEY ONLY LIST ONE. 
          CAN YOU PUT DOWN FOUR POINTS FOR THE ONE? YEAH. 
          IF YOU, UNDER THIS SCENARIO, THIS SCENARIO, YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THE VALUE OF THAT. 
          I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN I, I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF LIKE A UP TO ONE POINT, LET'S SAY, OR UP TO HOWEVER MANY POINTS, UH, PER, PER ITEM. 
          UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, UH, IF THERE WAS A WORLD WHERE YOU SAW ONE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM BEING WORTH MORE THAN ANOTHER LEADERSHIP PROGRAM MM-HMM . 
          YOU MIGHT GIVE 0.75 FOR ONE AND A FULL POINT FOR THE OTHER OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, UH, IT, IT'D BE YOUR OWN GRADING SYSTEM THERE. 
          BUT YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY FOR ME, THE PROBLEM IS THE WAY THAT WE ARE SORT OF LISTING THE 
          [03:20:01]
TITLE OF THAT CATEGORY LEADERSHIP PROGRAM PARTICIPATION, IN MY MIND, WHAT FALLS IN THAT IS CARES OR THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY MM-HMM . 
          OR THE CITIZENS FIRE ACADEMY, ALSO LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I, I DON'T, AND SO I THINK FOR ME, THOSE, THOSE TAKING LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON, 'CAUSE TAKE THAT OFF, THAT THAT HAS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          THOSE DO WEIGH HEAVIER. 
          AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN AN INTEREST IN THE CITY BEFORE APPLYING TO BE ON A BOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT THE CITY IN SOME WAY. 
          AND SO I THINK MAYBE IF WE CAN CHANGE THE NAME OF THAT CATEGORY AND MAYBE PROVIDE EXAMPLES LIKE CITIZENS FIRE ACADEMY, STUDENTS POLICE ACADEMY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ALL SITTING THERE THINKING THAT MEANS LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON OR LEADERSHIP NORTH TEXAS FULL STOP. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          I THINK THAT THAT REFERENCES CITY PROGRAMS OR REGIONAL PROGRAMS LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE A LEADERSHIP COMPONENT. 
          AND FOR ME, THOSE DO WEIGH HEAVIER. 
          AND SO I WOULDN'T WANT US TO SAY THAT GETS ONE POINT THAT YOU SERVED ON, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST TO USE COUNCILMAN CRAN UNITED WAY, THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOULD WEIGH AS HEAVY AS IF YOU DID THREE CARES CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY TO INSPIRE. 
          SURE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          MAYOR, MAYOR CAN I GUESS AMY AND I, THIS WILL BE HELPFUL WITH US. 
          CAN I ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? YEAH. 
          ARE YOU GONNA FILL, IS ARE EACH OF YOU GONNA FILL ONE OF THESE OUT AND COMPLETE ONE OF THESE FOR EVERY APPLICANT? AND ARE YOUR DECISIONS GONNA BE BASED SOLELY ON THIS? NO. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WAIT, WAIT. 
          UH, UH ARE WE GONNA FILL ONE OF THESE OUT? LET'S START WITH THAT PART. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THERE. 
          YES. 
          SO WILL WE BE FILLING THIS OUT FOR EACH APPLICANT? WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY, HYPOTHETICALLY WE, I THINK WE SHOULD BECAUSE WE CAN'T RULE OUT HOW MANY APPLICANTS DO WE HAVE? A HUNDRED, 200? NO, I DON'T, I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          IF WE ARE CONSIDERING THEM FOR A POSITION AND INTERVIEWING THEM. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF RANKING 200 CANDIDATES. 
          YEAH, SURE, SURE. 
          I GET IT. 
          BUT, SO, BUT THE ONES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, UH, CONSIDERING THOSE ONES, WELL ACTUALLY THAT BEGS THE QUESTION WELL, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE CONSIDERATION? WELL, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS HEADED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ARE YOU GOING TO SELECT APPLICANTS? ARE YOU GONNA SELECT FROM THE POOL OF 150 APPLICANTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? ARE YOU GONNA SELECT WHO YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW SOLELY BASED ON THE APPLICATION? AND THEN, 'CAUSE IT'S QUITE REDUNDANT TO WHAT THE APPLICATION'S GONNA PROVIDE YOU. 
          SO I'M, I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EXACTLY THIS TOOL WILL BE USED. 
          WILL IT BE USED TO COME UP WITH A SUBGROUP OF APPLICANTS THAT YOU WILL PERSONALLY INTERVIEW, OR WILL IT BE USED DURING THE PERSONAL INTERVIEWS? MM-HMM . 
          NOW HERE'S THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE THE TRANSPARENCY COMES. 
          THERE ARE MAYBE 200, IF YOU WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT, YOU SHOULD FILL ALL 200. 
          BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT PRACTICAL. 
          THAT'S NOT A PRACTICAL. 
          BUT IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, FILLING OUT, SAY, CPC, AND THERE IS NOT 200 WANTING TO BE ON THE CPC, MAYBE THERE IS 20 ON THE CPC, WE SHOULD FILL OUT FOR ALL 20 AND SEE WHO SCORE. 
          IT'S LIKE SEVEN OF US AVERAGE THE NUMBER, HIGHEST NUMBER PICK, I SAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER PROCESS, BUT TRANSPARENCY IS THERE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHOOSE TWO. 
          THEN IT'S MEANINGLESS TO SCORE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE LIKE ALREADY DETERMINING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, SO, SO MY, THE, THE BASIS OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS A GUIDE THAT YOU, THAT YOU'LL UTILIZE DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS OR DURING THE SELECTION OF, OF A SMALLER POOL OF CANDIDATES? OR IS THIS AN ACTUAL INSTRUMENT THAT YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD FOR EVERY APPLICANT THAT YOU SIT DOWN AND INTERVIEW IN PERSON OR EVERY APPLICANT THAT YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO IS BECAUSE I, I THINK THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SUGGESTION DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, THIS WAS YOUR GOOD INTENTION IN BRINGING THIS TO US. 
          DID YOU HAVE SORT OF AN IDEA OF WHERE THIS WOULD FALL IN THE PROCESS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          MY INTENTION WAS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE COME TO ME AND PROBABLY SOME OF Y'ALL SAYING I WANT SOME MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS. 
          THE INTENTION IS NOT TO CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD WHERE THE SEVEN OF US RANK AND ATTRIBUTE IT, YOU KNOW, NAMES OR NO NAMES. 
          BUT THE SEVEN OF US RANK EVERY SINGLE APPLICANT THAT COMES THROUGH THIS IS SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OKAY, LOOK, I WENT THROUGH LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON, BUT I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, WHY DIDN'T I GET ON A BOARD? WELL, THERE'S OTHER CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE AT LEAST HAVE A THOUGHT STRUCTURE BEHIND WHAT WE DO. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST, OH, IT'S MAYOR OMAR'S FRIEND, AND THAT'S WHY HE GOT ON THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          I RECOGNIZE THEM FROM THE PICTURE. 
          SO I . 
          EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND SO, SORRY. 
          SO MY INTENTION WAS NEVER TO CREATE PUBLIC RECORDS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, FOR ANY OF THIS, EXCEPT FOR THIS IS THE ONLY PUBLIC RECORD, WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          IF, IF THAT'S THE GOAL, I THINK THEN IT COMES TOTALLY DIFFERENT OPTION. 
          YOU NEED TO CREATE AN APPLICATION WHERE THEY CAN TICK MARK WHAT THEY WANT, THEN YOU CAN GENERATE THE THINGS. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CREATE THIS, IT'S NEED TO BE PUBLIC RECORD, UH, BECAUSE YOU ARE 
          [03:25:01]
I, OKAY. 
          UH, I'M, I'LL LET YOU GUYS GIVE YOUR OPINIONS AND I'LL, I'LL WEIGH IN. 
          BUT, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, IF WE'RE NOT DOING THIS FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF THEM, AND IF IT'S NOT PUBLIC RECORD, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS REALLY, RIGHT. 
          IT FEELS LIKE A EXERCISE WITHOUT TRUE VALUE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TRULY CREATE EQUITY AND THE TRANSPARENCY, AND I'M NOT, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M NOT SAYING SOMETHING, I JUST, IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WITHOUT, UM, I GUESS THE REAL MEAT THERE. 
          I, I, I STRUGGLE WITH THOSE THIRD AND FOURTH CATEGORIES THOUGH. 
          LIKE HOW IF WE, IF WE JUST GO THROUGH AND WE'RE RANKING 200 PEOPLE AND WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING WHICH BOARD WE'RE RANKING THEM FOR, LIKE HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THAT'S TRUE. 
          SO I MEAN, WE HAVE TO FIGURE, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THINK THAT WOULD YEAH, SO WELL, IT'S, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TO USE IT AS A, TO USE IT ON THE FRONT END OF THE PROCESS TO TRY TO, UM, CREATE A SUBGROUP OF APPLICANTS. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC. 
          BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHO'S WHO'S. 
          OH, EXACTLY. 
          AND, AND SO, UM, AND THEN TO USE IT ONCE YOU SELECT A SUBGROUP OF APPLICANTS AND CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD, UM, THAT'S WHY I WAS, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE OFFERED UP THE SECOND OPTION, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT EACH OF, YOU'LL HAVE TO JUST KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THINK THROUGH WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT IN WRITING ABOUT SOMEBODY. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT THAN VIDEOTAPING THE APPLI THE INTERVIEW. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD AND YOU'RE RANKING SOMEBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME IMPACT ON THAT, THAT PERSON AS THE VIDEO WOULD. 
          AND SO I, I, I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN, UH, UM, CORCORAN, I, WE APPROACHED THIS INITIALLY UNDER THE, UNDER THE IDEA OF THIS IS THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WILL FACTOR, BUT NOT, YOU WEREN'T NECESSARILY GONNA CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD FOR EVERY APPLICANT, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE FRONT END. 
          I MEAN, TO DO TO, TO, TO, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN SHEM. 
          SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS A, IS A WORKLOAD BURDEN THAT, I MEAN, WHY WOULD YOU, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT FOR 150 APPLICANTS WHEN YOU HAVE EIGHT POSITIONS? THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE A LOT. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD USE OF THE COUNCIL'S TIME. 
          BUT, UM, IF YOU DO IT AT THE SECOND PHASE, THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO REALIZE YOU'RE CREATING A PUBLIC RECORD THAT ANYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS. 
          AND I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE PUBLIC RECORD PART OF IT, BUT YOU'RE CREATING A RECORD ABOUT A PERSON WHO'S OFFERING TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME TO SERVE ON A BOARD. 
          AND I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT THAN MM-HMM . 
          WHY YOU DIDN'T WANT TO VIDEOTAPE THE APPLICATIONS THEMSELVES. 
          UM, MY, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THIS, BUT IT, IT TAKES A LITTLE MORE TIME AND IT, IT MAY TAKE, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES AND, AND, AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT ONE OF THE OPTIONS ALSO IS THAT WE CREATE A RULE SET THAT WE CAN BE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH, COULD BE DO, DONE IN SOME LEVEL OF AUTOMATION WHERE THEY, WE TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE GIVE US. 
          IT CREATES A POINT SYSTEM. 
          BECAUSE MY, MY CONCERN ULTIMATELY IS IF WE HAVE A HUNDRED APPLICANTS AND WE HAVE 10 POSITIONS TO FILL, WELL, HOW DO YOU EVEN GET TO THAT 20 PERSON POOL RIGHT NOW? ALL OF A SUDDEN IT DOES BECOME THE PERSON YOU REC, YOU RECOGNIZE. 
          AND IF, IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT YOU COULD FILTER IT, LIKE COLLEGE APPLICATIONS, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT JUST TAKES SOME OF THE KIND OF RUDIMENTARY ELEMENTS WAYS, 'EM, IT'S, AND IT'S ALSO A GREAT WAY FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THEY COULD WORK ON TO HELP THEIR APPLICATION IF THEY CAN ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE SYSTEM CAME BACK AND GENERATED A NUMBER. 
          UH, NOW AGAIN, SYSTEM REQUIRES SOMEBODY CREATE SOMETHING, BUT, UH, BUT THERE MAY BE, UH, SOME SIMPLE WAYS FOR US TO JUST, AS THEY PLUG IN THE THING, THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR POINTS THERE. 
          UH, NOW IT MAY NOT BE THAT THEY GET THERE, BUT THAT'S, AT LEAST THEY HAVE A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THE NUMBER IS. 
          AND, AND AS THEY PLUG IN EACH OF THE DIFFERENT ITEMS, MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S A WAY TO DO IT. 
          AND THEN THAT'S ALSO CAN BE HELP HELPING US FILL OUT, FIGURE OUT WHICH SUBSET WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY INTERVIEW. 
          WHAT I HATE ABOUT THE PROCESS PREVIOUSLY, BEFORE, I HAVE NOT DONE IT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DONE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TODAY, BUT THE WAY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE WAS, IT WAS SO ARBITRARY, THE ONES THAT EVEN GOT AN INTERVIEW, AND IT WASN'T FAIR, UH, IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND SO, AND THEN PEOPLE HAD NO IDEA WHY THEY WERE NEVER CALLED FOR AN INTERVIEW. 
          AT LEAST THIS GIVES YOU A WAY TO EVEN SELF-EVALUATE. 
          YOU COULD PLUG IN YOUR OWN INFORMATION INTO THIS STUFF. 
          AND, AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON COULD BE A HARD ONE. 
          UH, CARES COULD BE A HARD ONE. 
          CITIZENS POLICE AND FIRE COULD BE A HARD ONE POINT, AND WE COULD JUST SAY, HEY, THESE 
          [03:30:01]
ARE FOR SURE A ONE POINT ELEMENT. 
          UM, OTHER ONES COULD BE UP TO ONE POINT, WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN THAT KIND OF CREATES A LITTLE BIT MORE PREDICTABILITY. 
          'CAUSE FRANKLY, THIS IS NO GOOD UNLESS THE APPLICANT CAN LOOK AT IT AND GO, OKAY, I CAN SELF EVALUATE AND I THINK I'M A 23 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT ADDS UP TO. 
          IT WON'T GET TO 23, BUT YOU GET THE POINT. 
          I THINK I'M A, YOU KNOW, 10.5, UM, IT SHOULD BE THAT PREDICTABLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN SEES HIM AS A 9.5 AND COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE SEES HIM AS AN 11, BUT IT, IT AT LEAST IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHAT THEY, THEY CAME UP WITH BECAUSE IT WAS SORT OF PREDICTABLE. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WORLD. 
          'CAUSE THEN EVERYONE KIND OF FEELS LIKE THEY'RE INFORMED IN THIS THING. 
          BUT, UH, MAYOR PRO, TIM HUTCHEN, RIGHT? I THINK THE ONE, THE, THE, I'M GONNA DISCUSS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ALWAYS GET TO IT. 
          THERE'S, THESE ARE ALL GREAT, THE, THE EVALUATION FORM'S GREAT, BUT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOWHERE IN HERE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE EVER GONNA RATE THE X FACTOR. 
          AND WE HAVE SET IN THOSE ROOMS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED, AND THEY PROBABLY, IF YOU ADDED UP ALL THEIR POINTS, THEY COULD BE WELL OVER 20 PLUS POINTS. 
          BUT WE KNOW THEM, WE KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE, VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH, VERY DIFFICULT TO BE ON A BORDER COMMISSION AND WOULD NOT BE, WOULD NOT BE, UM, A, A GOOD FIT ON, ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND I'M NOT NAMING ANY NAMES, I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING, WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND THAT'S NOWHERE ON THESE EVALUATION FORMS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY. 
          SO THEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO AND FACE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, CURTIS IAN, WHO HAS EVALUATED HIMSELF, AND HE SAYS, WELL, BASED ON THIS FORM, I'M A, I'M A 20 PLUS. 
          NONE OF US, OR WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST, MAYBE IS A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT, NONE OF US HAVE GONE UP AND SAID, CURTIS, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          YOU GOT 20 PLUS POINTS, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO WORK WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A PAIN IN THE BUTT. 
          I'M JUST GONNA LAY IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S THE HONEST TO GOD'S TRUTH AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY ALL DAY LONG, BUT UNLESS WE WANT TO GET IN THAT ROOM AND GO, I'M SORRY CURTIS, YOU'RE A PAIN IN THE BUTT AND NOBODY WANTS TO BE ON A BOARD WITH YOU. 
          AND WE HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THAT DOES HAPPEN, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS FRANK AS I'M BEING TONIGHT, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA GET NAILED INTO WHERE WE SAY, OH, WELL THIS PERSON IS A, IS A 25, SO ARE WE, NOW MY WORDS, ARE WE STUCK? BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE A GOOD PERSON ON A BOARD OF COMMISSION AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVOC IN, IN MY SCENARIO, I WOULD SAY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? YES. 
          AND IN MY SCENARIO, THE ONLY THING WE MIGHT BE STUCK WITH IS THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW BECAUSE THEY QUALIFIED FOR THE INTERVIEW. 
          BUT IN THE INTERVIEW WE MAY KIND OF SUSS OUT AND MAYBE THEY TURNED OVER A NEW LEAF AND THEY'RE SUPER FRIENDLY NOW, BUT, BUT, UH, BUT AT LEAST THEY GOT TO THE INTERVIEW STAGE BECAUSE THEY QUALIFIED. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THINKING ON THAT. 
          BUT, BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WE SHOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY PUT 'EM ON THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST SCORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT JUST MIGHT GET THEM, THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH EVALUATION OF THAT'S MY ONLY THOUGHT. 
          THERE ARE FACTORS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY YOU JUST BROUGHT UP THE POINT I WAS, I WAS GOING TO BRING UP AS WELL, SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR. 
          I'M NOT SURE THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT BEFORE, IF REALLY THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. 
          I MEAN, DOES IT, COULD IT USE A FEW TWEAKS? YES. 
          BUT TO THAT POINT, AND THIS GOES BACK TO EVEN GETTING, GETTING THE PICTURE AND KNOWING THE PEOPLE. 
          'CAUSE GENERALLY WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO BE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, WHAT DO WE ALWAYS TELL THEM? MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COUNCIL KNOWS THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BEING ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. 
          LET THEM KNOW. 
          MAKE THEM AWARE THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THIS. 
          THEREFORE, AS WE ARE SELECTING THESE AND A CONFERENCE ROOM AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PEOPLE WE WANT, ARE POTENTIALLY GOING TO INTERVIEW, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS FORM COMES INTO PLAY. 
          BECAUSE HAVING 200 APPLICATIONS OR, UH, OR UH, EVALUATION FORMS, THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WHEN A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT IN THE APPLICATION, MOST, MOST OF US KNOW A LOT OF THEM. 
          AND I REALLY THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL WAY THAT WE WERE DOING IT WAS, WAS SATISFACTORY. 
          AGAIN, IF WE'RE ADDING THIS EVALUATION FORM, WE POTENTIALLY LOOK TO SEE WHAT QUALIFIED CANDIDATES THAT WE HAVE AND APPLY THIS EVALUATION FORM TO THEM WITH A PICTURE  COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          I THINK WE DECIDE THAT'S OPTIONAL. 
          CURTIS , UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BRIDGE THIS GAP HERE IN THE CONFUSION, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SORT OF, CAN WE HAVE SORT OF A WHITTLING DOWN BY, UM, UH, ESTABLISHING A POINT SYSTEM? I THINK FOR THE FIRST TWO CATEGORIES, THAT'S TRUE. 
          I STILL STRUGGLE WITH THE REMAINING THREE CATEGORIES. 
          BUT IF WE WANTED TO, UH, SORT OF MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO SEE WHO, YOU KNOW, 
          [03:35:01]
HAS MAXIMUM OF POINTS FOR CATEGORIES ONE AND TWO, WHATEVER WE DECIDE THOSE POINTS ARE, AND MAYBE THAT GIVES US A SMALLER POOL TO CONSIDER INITIALLY, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WITH THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES IS WHAT I AND SAID LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, NINE LAWYERS SERVING ON THE CPC. 
          WE DON'T WANT SEVEN LAWYERS SERVING ON THE, THE PARKS COMMISSION. 
          AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, SO RANKING THAT I THINK IS REALLY DIFFICULT. 
          AGAIN, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT BORDER COMMISSION WE'RE CONSIDERING THEM FOR. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO SORT OF ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE FOUR PROGRAMS WE CONSIDER FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, CHECK WHICH ONES AND THAT GIVES YOU A, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU'VE DONE TWO, THAT GIVES YOU A TWO AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET UP TO FOUR POINTS FOR HOWEVER MANY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS OR NONPROFIT BOARDS OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I CAN GET ON BOARDED WITH THAT. 
          I HAVE CONCERNS WITH THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I, I SEE WHAT THE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT BORDER COMMISSION, BUT IF, IF THEY'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN ONE BORDER COMMISSION, THEN LIKE, IF THEY'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN ARTS, THEN MAYBE THAT THAT SORT OF APPLIES THERE, PERHAPS. 
          BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I JUST, I HATE TO ONLY CATEGORIZE, ONLY WHITTLE THEM BASED ON THOSE FIRST TWO. 
          'CAUSE WHAT IF THEY'RE JUST INCREDIBLY EXPERIENCED? YOU KNOW? UH, THAT'S JUST MY ONLY THOUGHT. 
          BUT I, I AGREE WHAT YOU'RE WITH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I JUST DUNNO HOW YOU APPLY POINTS. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF EVERYBODY GOES ON THERE FOR THE MOST POINT AND THEY RANK THEIR TOP THREE, AND SO IF YOU'VE RANKED YOUR TOP THREE, LIKE HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA HAVE, UH, APPLY POINTS IF YOU'VE DONE LIBRARY PARKS AND NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE HOW ARE WE REALLY THAT THAT'S UNWIELDY. 
          AND, AND EVEN STILL, I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE A WATER EXPERT, YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE AN ARBORIST PER SE. 
          WHAT IF WE ALREADY HAVE AN ARBORIST? SO IS THAT ZERO POINTS FOR YOU THEN BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY FILLED THAT SPOT? I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY UNWIELDY AND COMPLICATED. 
          SO I WOULD TRY AND SORT OF FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD HELP US WHITTLE IT DOWN BY YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND YOU WANNA BE, AND MAYBE THAT GIVES US A SMALLER POOL. 
          BUT THE REST OF THAT'S REALLY UNWIELDY IN MY OPINION. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARS. 
          MAYOR, UM, I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, UM, ABOUT THIS DESIRE TO ADD SOMETHING ON THE FRONT END TO WHITTLE IT DOWN. 
          I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITIES AND IS EXACTLY KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING IS HOW CAN WE DO THAT? I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT OTHER CITY'S DOING. 
          I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT OUR SYSTEM WE CURRENTLY ARE USING, WHAT THE CAPABILITIES ARE THERE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW THE CAPABILITIES, UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE LARGEST OPPORTUNITY ISN'T, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE APPOINTED ANYBODY IN THIS COUNCIL. 
          NO, BUT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL, YEAH, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY APPOINTMENTS YET. 
          UH, BUT PREVIOUS COUNCIL, UM, I, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY IS HOW WE GOT TO THOSE TOP FIVE OR TOP 10 OR, YOU KNOW, THAT DELTA THERE BETWEEN 200 TO THE TOP FIVE IS WHERE THE BIG OPPORTUNITY IS. 
          AND I THINK I, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AM LOOKING AT 200 LISTS SAYING, I DON'T RECOGNIZE THOSE PEOPLE, WHETHER THIS THROUGH PICTURE OR THROUGH NAME. 
          AND I'M LIKE, WHAT ARE WE MISSING OUT HERE? AND ARE WE TRULY PICKING THE BEST PERSON JUST BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THE NAME OR RECOGNIZE THE PICTURE? AND WHAT ARE WE MISSING OUT IN, IN SERVICE TO THE COMMITTEE BRINGING IN FRESH BLOOD, BRINGING IN NEW PERSPECTIVE OR AN EXPERTISE IN A WAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THAT COMMISSION AT THE TIME. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING ON THE FRONT END TO WHITTLE IT DOWN SO WE CAN HAVE A MORE DIVERSE POOL VERSUS THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WE ALL SEE AT EVERY EVENT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME. 
          AND IT'S THE NAMES WE ALL RECOGNIZE AND BY THE FACES WE RECOGNIZE. 
          SO ANYTIME WE CAN GET IN FRESH BLOOD, UM, TO, TO INVOLVEMENT, I'M ALL FOR THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT CREATING SOMETHING ON THE FRONT END, LIKE THE SUGGESTED THE WAY TO DO IT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THOUGH, REALLY EPITOMIZES WHY, WHY I INITIALLY FELT LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NECESSARY. 
          SURE. 
          I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, YOU DON'T PLACE A LOT OF WEIGHT ON PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, MAYOR OMAR, YOU PLACE A LOT OF WEIGHT ON IT AND YOU KNOW, YOUR, THE PERCEPTION YOU REALLY ACTUALLY THINK EPITOMIZED IT. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN, WHAT'D YOU SAY, UM, UNFAIR OR SHADY OR ANYTHING BEHIND THE SCENES WITH OUR APPOINTMENTS. 
          BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY ONCE YOU DIDN'T GET APPOINTED, WOULD FEEL THAT WAY. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, I CAN GO ON WITH OTHER EXAMPLES TOO. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN OFTEN SAYS HOW IMPORTANT LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON IS TO HIM. 
          COUNCILMAN BARRIOS TO USE YOU AGAIN. 
          I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM BEFORE YOU GOT ON CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? SO WHILE I DON'T, IF WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH THIS SORT OF METHOD, OR IF WE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS DISCUSSION IS EVEN HEADING. 
          I'M JUST, I, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT I THINK THAT THERE IS, I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME, SOME STRUCTURE NEEDED. 
          AND THIS WAS JUST A SUGGESTION 
          [03:40:01]
TO SAY, HEY, TO THE PUBLIC, HEY, LOOK, IF YOU DID LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON AND THAT'S IT, OR YOU SERVED ON A BUNCH OF PROFESSIONAL BOARDS, WE HAVE NO COMMUNITY EXPERIENCE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO KNOW THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE FACTORED INTO THE DECISION. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL MY INTENTION WAS, WAS TO BRING THIS UP AND SAY, HEY, FULL STOP. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE FRAME THIS. 
          IF YOU GUYS DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY, I DON'T, I'M NOT TIED TO THIS AND I'M NOT, MY FEELINGS WILL NOT BE HEARD IF WE JUST MOVE ON. 
          YEAH. 
          I YOUR FEELINGS HAVE NOT COME UP ONCE YET. 
          UH, SO I THINK NO ONE'S, NO ONE'S WORRIED ABOUT THAT PART. 
          I THINK, I THINK I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE AT LEAST GIVEN US A START. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHAMAL. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HAPPY THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE OUT THERE, THEY'RE LISTENING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT THIS IS TO DO THINGS. 
          NOBODY HAS ANY INTENTION NOT TO MAKE THIS THING TRANSPARENT. 
          UH, IT'S JUST A, IT IS JUST DIFFICULT PROCESS. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE STUCK DOING THIS THING ALL OUR COUNCIL DONE. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS, BUT NOT EVERYTHING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THOUGHT THAT I HAD THAT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE AN APP FOR THE APPLICATION, IT COULD BE LIKE A PORTION OF THE POINT COULD BE GIVEN FOR THE INITIAL, AND THEN A PORTION COULD BE GIVEN BY THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE CAN CALL FOR THE INTERVIEW. 
          UH, AND THEN, AND AFTER THE INTERVIEW, THE COUNCIL CAN ASSIGN SOME POINTS. 
          SO, SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SEVEN OF US DIFFERENT, SEVEN DIFFERENT POINTS, IT CAN TAKE THE AVERAGE AND GET THE TOP CANDIDATES. 
          SURE. 
          BUT YOU DO. 
          BUT AGAIN, I DO UNDERSTAND CREATE A BUDGET. 
          I MEAN, CREATING AN APPLE OR SOME BUDGET. 
          UH YEP. 
          SO, SO, SO IF I CAN, I MEAN, I, I JUST REALLY WONDER HOW EFFECTIVE A BLUNT INSTRUMENT THAT IS JUST GOING TO ADD UP RANDOM POINTS IS GONNA BE, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH 200 APPLICATIONS. 
          YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE INDICATED THEY WANNA SERVE IN THE POSITIONS THAT ARE OPEN MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO WHITTLE DOWN 200 APPLICATIONS TO FIVE APPLICATIONS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH CPC APPLICATIONS IF THERE'S NO CPC OPENING, RIGHT? AND SO IT SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO BE WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THE DIRECTION IS TO FOCUS ON SOME VERY STANDARDIZED WAY OF NARROWING DOWN. 
          WHEN REALLY, IF I'M, IF I GIVE YOU THE HONEST FEEDBACK, THE WAY YOU NARROW IT DOWN IS YOU GO LOOK AT EACH APPLICATION THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE OPENING THAT YOU HAVE . 
          AND AND THAT'S WHERE, AND AND AGAIN, I, I APOLOGIZE IF I TOTALLY MISREAD THIS, BUT THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT THIS FRAMEWORK WOULD COME INTO PLAY TO, TO COUNCILMAN CORCORAN WHEN HE AND I DISCUSSED THIS. 
          IT WAS, IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN THIS WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD SAY TO THE PUBLIC YOU'RE USING TO EVALUATE THE 10 APPLICANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WANNA SERVE ON ANIMAL CONTROL. 
          AND YOU HAVE ONE OPENING. 
          BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO TRY TO JUST PUT A VERY FORMULAIC APPROACH TO, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I, I PREFERRED THE SECOND OPTION. 
          'CAUSE I THOUGHT EACH PERSON IS GONNA BRING A DIFFERENT COCKTAIL OF LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS. AND IF YOU CAN, IF, AND WHAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIGN MORE IMPORTANCE TO A PROGRAM IF THAT PROGRAM IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU. 
          IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST ONE OR EVEN UP TO ONE. 
          I MEAN, AND SO AGAIN, BUT I, I JUST, I I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY OF UTILIZING, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS NEW SYSTEM IS TO BE ABLE TO SORT AND BE ABLE TO REALLY ISOLATE THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THAT QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU HAVE, WHO ARE WE GONNA PUT ON THIS BOARD? WE HAVE EIGHT. 
          WE HAVE EIGHT, UM, WE HAVE EIGHT POSITIONS. 
          SEVERAL, UH, POSITIONS ARE, UH, MULTIPLE POSITIONS, OR SEVERAL OF THE BOARDS HAVE MULTIPLE POSITIONS. 
          SO YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, PROBABLY LOOKING AT MAYBE APPLICANTS FOR SIX BOARDS MM-HMM . 
          THIS TIME. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN SORT THAT, YOU CAN SORT BY WHO, WHO PUT, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TWO UN UH, TWO UNCULTURAL ARTS WHO PUT CULTURAL ARTS AT NUMBER ONE. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE SORTING THAT YOU FEEL, IF THAT'S THE LEVEL OF SORTING THAT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE PROGRAM TODAY AND ONLY GO THROUGH THOSE APPLICATIONS. 
          AND SO, UM, WELL SAID, IF, IF I COULD EXPAND ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND Y'ALL ALREADY DO THIS, YOU LOOK AT MALE FEMALE RATIO MM-HMM . 
          YOU LOOK AT DISTRICTS, SOME OF THEM HAVE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT. 
          YOU CAN SORT THAT WAY. 
          AND WITH THE NEW APPLICATION, WE HAVE THE, UM, UH, THE ETHNICITY ON THERE AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S A NEW, A NEW AREA THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          I I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, I, I, I HEAR THE CONVERSATION AND WE'LL, WE'RE, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANNA GO. 
          BUT IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY, IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A LARGE APPLICANT POOL THAT IS NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE OPENINGS THAT YOU HAVE OR SOME OF THE OTHER MISSIONS THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE TRIED TO ACHIEVE, LIKE DIVERSITY. 
          AND AMY, THAT'S A GREAT 
          [03:45:01]
POINT. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN, IF IT'S, IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A FOUR OPEN ON THE CPC, YOU CAN SORT FOR JUST FOURS WHO PUT CPC NUMBER ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH AS MANY APPLICATIONS AS, AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE, UM, YOU'RE JUST GONNA NEED TO DO IT IN ADVANCE OF THAT FIRST MEETING SO THAT YOU CAN COME TO THE MEETING PREPARED TO SAY, HERE'S WHO I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON TO THE, TO, TO THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE THOUGHT THAT TOOL MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, COULD THIS JUST BE LIKE, THESE ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS AND NOT ACTUAL RANKINGS FOR THAT EXACT POINT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE PROCESS THAT WE USE. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DO. 
          NOW WE SAY WE RANK THIS MANY PEOPLE RANKED THIS BOARD ONE, AND THEN WE, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THEM. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THE PER THE CURRENT PROCESS IS BROKEN, THERE'S A DESIRE FOR THERE TO BE MORE TRANSPARENCY. 
          AND PERHAPS THIS IS IT WHERE WE SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER WHEN WE RE WE REVIEW YOUR APPLICATION VERSUS ACTUALLY ASSIGNING NUMBERS TO THOSE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS HAVE TO CONTRACTUALLY HOLD US TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM. 
          AND I DO, I'M COOL WITH US SAYING THAT THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION, BUT WE ACTUALLY ALL HAVE TO AGREE THAT THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISION. 
          NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT MY, MY FOUR IS YOUR FOUR. 
          YOU MAY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE OR LESS. 
          BUT, BUT I DO THINK THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN HERE THAT IS NOT REALLY THE WAY WE LOOK AT PEOPLE WHENEVER IT COMES TO THE DECISION, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO EXPOSE THAT SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY ON THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, AND I THINK AS LONG AS THIS IS ABOUT THE WAY WE WEIGH IT, AND, AND IF YOU PERSONALLY WEIGH IT CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS, LET'S, LET'S JUST AIR THAT OUT RIGHT NOW AND GET IT OUT SO THAT WE GENERALLY CAN ALL AGREE ON A GENERAL WAY OF DOING IT, IS MY THINKING. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS HOW WE'VE DONE IT, BUT TO THE, TO THE POINT, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THESE ARE THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          AND SO I THINK WE CAN SAY PUBLIC, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE DISCUSS, RIGHT? LIKE THAT ADDS THE TRANSPARENCY. 
          THIS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED 13 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER. 
          LIKE, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT HAPPENS NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          WE RANK THEM EXACTLY AS MR. MAGNER DESCRIBED, BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE CHOSEN. 
          WE LOOK AT THOSE APPLICATIONS, WE LOOK AT THEM AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THEM AND BE EXPEDIENT WITH EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          AND WE DO DISCUSS THESE THINGS. 
          OH, LOOK, THEY DID CARES. 
          OH, LOOK, THEY DID THIS BOARD. 
          YOU KNOW, SO WE TALK ABOUT ALL THIS SORT OF STUFF. 
          AND SO IF THIS IS THE CRITERIA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IT IS, THEN LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, UH, MAYOR , UH, AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, BUT WE DO, I, I THINK, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE IN, THERE ARE INTANGIBLES THAT WE ALSO CONSIDER. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE, LIKE WHAT I, WHAT I MENTIONED IS IF WE, IF WE KNOW THE PERSON AND WE'VE SERVED ON A BOARD WITH THEM, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT GOOD. 
          NOT GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF DISCRETIONARY QUALIFI. 
          IT COULD BE DISCRETIONARY POINTS OR WHATEVER, WHICH WE'VE GOT SHOULD OR SOMETHING ON THERE. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 
          I THINK THAT'S FAIR. 
          MAYBE UNDER DISCRETIONARY, IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S CONCERN OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          THAT'S MY ONLY POINT IS 'CAUSE I, AGAIN, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE, I THINK THERE'S, WHEN WE, WHEN WE INTERVIEW THE PERSON, THERE'S GONNA BE THINGS THAT COME OUT THAT WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE RECOGNIZED WHEN WE'RE, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS EVALUATION FORM AT THE BEGINNING, THAT THAT'S THE ONLY FAIR ENOUGH. 
          SO, UM, CAN WE, CAN WE MAYBE AT LEAST AGREE OR NOT, UM, THAT FIRST OF ALL, OPTION ONE VERSUS OPTION TWO, DOES EVERYONE LIKE OPTION TWO BETTER? THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT CLEAR ON. 
          ARE WE ACTUALLY PUTTING POINTS DOWN FOR PEOPLE, OR ARE WE JUST SAYING THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES WE CONSIDER? THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT'S OPTION THREE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER. 
          YEAH. 
          LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          I THINK THAT'S GOOD QUESTION. 
          GO. 
          UH, NOW IF WE, NUMBER ONE, IF WE CREATE A SHEET LIKE THAT, I THINK LEGALLY WE NEED TO KEEP THAT PAPER OR PUBLIC RECORD, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF YOU'VE READ, IF YOU, IF YOU USE IT AS A GUIDE, YOU DO NOT. 
          UM, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU ACTUALLY WRITE ON IT AND YOU COMPLETE IT, THEN IT IS A PUBLIC RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN KEEP THAT AS A GUIDE TO MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THIS THING REALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT PUBLIC, TRANSPARENT, ALL THIS, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING TIME DOING THIS THING, ALL OUR COUNCIL TIME WORK. 
          UH, SO I THINK WE SHOULD MY OPINION, USE THAT AS A GUIDE MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BUT ALSO THE APPLICATION. 
          NOW, DO WE HAVE, DOES THE APPLICATION, WHEN YOU CHOOSE THE TOP FIVE OR TOP THREE PLACE, IS THIS RANK 1, 2, 3? OR IT JUST, IT, CAN YOU JUST CHOOSE THREE POSITION? I THINK YOU RANK 'EM, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S RANKED 1, 2, 3. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, LAST TIME I SAW THAT IT DID NOT HAVE 1, 2, 3. 
          IT WAS, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE DONE 1, 2, 3 BEFORE, BUT THE NEW ELECTRONIC APPLICATION, 
          [03:50:01]
I DID NOT SEE THAT. 
          1, 2, 3. 
          IT'S WHATEVER IT CHANGED, UH, WHATEVER CHOICE THEY PUT IN THAT FIRST SPOT IS THEIR NUMBER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          I THINK THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED CLEARLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ALSO WE NEED TO, SOMETIMES PEOPLE CHOOSE ONE, NOT NECESSARILY, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. 
          THEY JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY JUST PUT SOMETHING. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION YEAH. 
          IN THE APPLICATION ARE, DO YOU, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT YOU CHOOSE ONE THAT YOU LIKE ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING THAT FOR. 
          SO I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN, ALL THOSE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE FOLLOWED IN THE PAST, IF WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT AUTOMATED PROCESS WOULD BE GREAT. 
          BUT LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE COMPLICATED. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA FILL IT OUT PER PERSON, HYPOTHETICALLY. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA HAND IT IN. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA USE IT AS A, AS A, AS A TOOL THAT WAY. 
          BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY GIVE VISIBILITY THAT YES, PEOPLE CAN AT LEAST SEE THIS WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW AS THIS IS OUR, THE WAY WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION. 
          AND I THINK, FRANKLY, TO THE EXTENT, ESPECIALLY ON THE ONES THAT ARE IN CLOSED SESSION, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTERNAL DELIBERATIONS SHOULD PROBABLY AT LEAST FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES, RIGHT? SO THAT WE DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE LEADERSHIP BECOME A 10, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY AS WE TALK THROUGH THINGS. 
          AND MAYBE THAT NEVER HAPPENS, BUT I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT MAYOR, WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NEXT TO THE APPLICATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY THE APPLICATION IS GONNA FOLLOW THESE CATEGORIES VERY WELL. 
          COOL. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, WE CAN PUT THIS ON ONLINE AND EXPLAIN THAT THIS IS THE TOOL THAT THE COUNCIL UTILIZES AS A GUIDE, AS THEY EVALUATE APPLICATIONS. 
          IT'LL GIVE SOME, I MEAN, YOU'RE HOLDING UP THE MI IF THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT, HOW THEY'VE GOTTA FILL IT OUT AND COMPLETE IT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THESE. 
          AND ONE OF THE GOALS WAS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO IMPROVE THEIR APPLICATION, HOW THE HECK CAN THEY DO IT NOW? THEY CAN AT LEAST SEE WHERE THAT IS AND WHERE, WHERE THEY COULD GAIN POINTS HYPOTHETICALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, BARRIS MAYOR, UH, I, WHETHER WE USE IT AS A GUIDE, I'M FINE EITHER WAY. 
          UM, BUT TO COUNCIL WOMAN'S POINT EARLIER ABOUT CLARIFYING LEADERSHIP PROGRAM PARTICIPATION, IE AND LIST, YOU KNOW, CARES AND ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMS EXAMPLES, THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO IN INCLUDE IN THAT. 
          UH, SO THAT'S CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DOYNE. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, UH, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO, UH, CONVEY AGAIN WHAT I'M SUPPORTING HERE. 
          UM, BASICALLY THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT IS, IS WORKED OUT WELL. 
          AND YES, IT'S BEEN RE REFINED OVER THE YEARS, BUT IT WORKS. 
          ADDING THIS TOOL, THIS EVALUATION FORM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THAT. 
          AND WE USE IT AS A GUIDELINE. 
          AND YES, IT COULD BE PUT ONLINE, BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE HOW WE WERE DOING IT. 
          HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT HAS WORKED REALLY WELL. 
          AGAIN, AND THE VALUATION FORM IS JUST ANOTHER, THIS IS THE, THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE REALLY ADDING TO THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT AND HOW WE DISCUSSED AND CLOSED THE DOORS. 
          THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, I JUST NEED CLARITY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ONLINE. 
          JUST THAT, BECAUSE IF WE, YEAH, BUT, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF I'M AN APPLICANT, IF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY USING THIS FORM IN THE MANNER THAT'S ACTUALLY SCORING PEOPLE. 
          AND SO I, I THINK THAT THAT IS CONFUSING. 
          AND SO ARE WE JUST PUTTING THE FIRST CATEGORY UP THERE? THESE ARE THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDER. 
          BECAUSE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS SCORE AND POINTS, AND THEN WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T ACTUALLY USE THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE. 
          SO I WOULD THINK WE JUST PUT THE FIRST CATEGORY ON THERE AND SAY DESCRIPTION AND SAY, THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES OF THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER ARE IMPORTANT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, TO, UH, ASSIGNING PEOPLE TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          I ACTUALLY LIKED, I, I, I THINK THE, THE ONLY REASON YOU WOULD WANNA TRY AND SHOW THE POINTS HYPOTHETICALLY, IS IT JUST FEELS, I MEAN, HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS THAT THAN WHAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE FROM, UM, UM, JOB DESCRIPTION AND, AND LIKE CHARACTERISTICS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT SORT OF STARTS TO FEEL LIKE ALL WE'RE DOING IS JUST THE EXACT SAME THING. 
          THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HYPOTHETICALLY SELF-ASSESS, UH, BECAUSE THEY COULD, THEY COULD DO THEIR OWN POINTS, BUT, BUT, BUT IF WE'RE NOT ASSIGNING VALUE TO IT, HOW DO THEY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, SO IF WE CHOOSE SOMEONE ELSE, I CHOOSE COUNCILMAN DORIAN AND COUNCILMAN, UM, BARRIOS COMES TO ME AND SAYS, WELL, I, I MEAN, I HAD 20 POINTS. 
          WHY WASN'T I CONSIDERED? LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T ACTUALLY USE THE POINTS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S CONFUSING TO PEOPLE, I THINK. 
          SO HOW ARE YOU SELF-ASSESSMENT? WELL, THE DISCRETIONARY WOULD, WOULD ALWAYS PROBABLY PLAY IN THERE, RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING. 
          I KNOW. 
          SO, 16 POINTS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT? THE POINT IS, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY PROVIDING CLARITY TO THE PUBLIC IF WE'RE NOT USING IT, IT, IT'S, TO ME, IT MUDDIES THE WATERS. 
          AND SO WHAT, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY INTENTIONALLY, UH, COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THESE ARE THE THINGS, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ASSIGNING PEOPLE TO BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS, THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES WE ARE CONSIDERING. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING 
          [03:55:01]
THAT FALLS INTO ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS YOU CAN, YOU CAN BONE UP ON. 
          OTHERWISE, I THINK PUTTING THIS ON A WEBSITE IS GONNA BE VERY MISLEADING IF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY SCORING PEOPLE. 
          IF I COULD INTERJECT. 
          YES. 
          UM, ON OUR CARES PAGE, WE HAVE WORDING, IT'S NOT THIS EXTENSIVE, BUT WE HAVE WORDINGS SUCH AS, UM, CONSIDERATION WILL BE GIVEN TO APPLICANTS WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF WORDING THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH, WITH, WITH THESE CATEGORIES. 
          WHAT, WHAT IF, WHAT IF WHAT WE DID IS WE SAID, LET'S SAY WE GOT RID OF THE FOUR POINTS, BUT WE SAID 20%, 20%, 20%, 20%, 20%. 
          WE'RE WEIGHING THESE EQUALLY. 
          IF WE ARE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THEM EQUALLY, I ASSUME SINCE I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PUSHBACK ON, THIS IS BASICALLY THE WAY WE DO IT WITHOUT THE POINTS, BUT WE'RE WEIGHING THEM EQUALLY, 20% EACH PEOPLE CAN KNOW THAT THEY, THAT THAT'S WHAT'S, AND WE CAN GIVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT, WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED WE NEED. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION THEN ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF THE, ALL OF THAT. 
          SURE. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WEIGH IN THE SAME, OKAY. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T WANT A BOARD OF ALL THE SAME PROFESSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, SO THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME. 
          I WOULDN'T WEIGH THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT JUST TO USE MY ARBOR EXAMPLE, TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS SOME SORT OF PARKS EXPERTISE ON THAT BOARD, BUT WE DON'T NEED A, A BOARD FULL OF THOSE PEOPLE. 
          SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE SAME WAY. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT SCORING AND RANKING AND PERCENTAGE, I THINK THAT IS CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I, NOW THIS IS NOT ALL THOUGH. 
          I MEAN, WE CONSIDERED THE DISTRICT THE PLACE OTHER THING. 
          OF COURSE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHEN WE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY ARTICULATE THAT ALSO SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? SO, SO WHEN YOU SAID THESE ARE THE GUIDELINE, ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES ARE CONSIDERED THIS, THIS, AND THIS, BUT ALSO BE MINDFUL, I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL SIDE, THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST SOMEONE BEING FEMALE OR MALE, UH, EVEN ETHNICITY, NO MATTER WHAT THINGS ARE GOING NOWADAYS, IT IT SHOULD NOT, THOSE SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THE BUSINESS DEALINGS, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, I MEAN, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE THINGS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          I MEAN, IF, YOU KNOW, KNOW, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK IF WE AS A COUNCIL CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON HOW THIS IS GONNA BE USED AS VALUABLE AS AN EXERCISE, AS THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN, IT MAY JUST NOT BE, IT MAY JUST NOT BE THE THING TO DO RIGHT NOW. 
          I MEAN, CLEARLY SOME COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, CLEARLY YOU WEIGH THESE CATEGORIES, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE ONE TO FOUR ON HERE OR NOT DURING THE PROCESS, YOU'RE GONNA WEIGH THESE CATEGORIES DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT WAYS THAN MAYOR OMAR IS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS IS, AND EVERYONE IS, IS GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY. 
          AND IF THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THIS WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS TO PUT UP THERE. 
          AND SO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I THINK MAYBE FOR THE SAKE OF MOVING THIS ALONG, WE, WE SAY THIS IS AN IDEA THAT WE JUST CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON NOW, AND, AND WE MOVE PAST IT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THAT? I, I THINK ANY LAYER OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW THEY CAN IMPROVE WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE COULD COME TO AN AGREEMENT, BUT I RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS PROBABLY ACCURATE, WHICH IS THERE MAY BE TOO MUCH, UH, CONCERN. 
          UH, BUT, UH, LET'S GET A COUPLE MORE OPINIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE JUST DO THE DESCRIPTION AS A POSSIBILITY. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT IDEAL IN MY MIND, BUT, UM, I, THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD THAT DO THIS WITH APPLICATIONS AND THEY HAVE VERY CLEAR RUBRICS FOR THESE THINGS. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT MAY JUST BE THAT WE NEED TO TABLE IT FOR A BIT, BUT, BUT I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO APPLY SOMETHING TO WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO. 
          SO YES, MAYOR, MAYOR PRO, I SHOULD MATTER. 
          SO IN THE ART OF TRYING TO COME TO A NEGOTIATION AND WRAP THIS UP, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TO ANY KIND OF A PERCENTAGE OR ANY KIND OF POINTS DISCUSSION THAT ANY THAT, THAT FOUR OF US ARE GONNA AGREE ON. 
          SO WHAT IF FOR THIS CYCLE, WE PUT THE DESCRIPTION UP THERE AND INSTEAD OF SAYING SCORING GUIDELINES, WE WILL SAY, VALUE WILL BE PLACED BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION FOR EACH OF THEM. 
          AND THEN THAT LEAVES IT DISCRETIONARY. 
          SO AGAIN, IF COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE FEELS LIKE, WOW, WE HAVE THREE ATTORNEYS AND SHE WANTS TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, IN HER MIND MORE WEIGHT TOWARDS ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS OR WHAT, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE, I'M JUST TRYING TO USE AN EXAMPLE, BUT WHAT IF WE DID THAT FOR THIS CYCLE? WE JUST PUT THE DESCRIPTION AND INSTEAD OF HAVING SCORING GUIDELINES, WE JUST SIMPLY PUT THAT WE WILL VALUE YOUR, YOUR PARTICIPATION, YOUR SERVICE, YOUR WORK EXPERIENCE, YOUR APPLICANT'S THOUGHTFULNESS, UNDERSTANDING, AND THEN, UM, DISCRETIONARY POINTS ARE THE X FACTOR. 
          AND WE JUST GO WITH THAT FOR THIS CYCLE, SEE HOW IT WORKS, SEE IF WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, AND THEN TAKE IT 
          [04:00:01]
UP ANOTHER DAY. 
          AND, AND MAYBE AT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, WE COULD GET TO A POINT OR A PERCENTAGE OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE I, I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          CA COUNCIL MEMBER SHISO. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST APPROACH FOR THE, FOR THE TIME BEING. 
          JUST PUT A GUIDELINE SO THAT AT LEAST APPLICANT KNOW THAT WHAT ARE THE THINGS THEY NEED TO WORK ON, UH, BESIDES HAVING A GOOD PROFESSION, BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT LIKE SEVEN ENGINEER IN ONE COMMITTEE. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ONE. 
          UH, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, I, I SUPPORT THAT APPROACH FROM, FOR THE FIRST PLACE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VAR, I YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT THAT, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE MADE ABOUT ADDING THE DESCRIPTION. 
          I ALSO AGREE THAT WHETHER IT'S POINTS OR PERCENTAGES THAT DOES MUDDY THE WATER, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE DESCRIPTION AS COUNCILMAN JUSTICE ADDED WITH THE CO CAVEAT OF, UH, IE UNDER THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM TO ADD FURTHER DESCRIPTION ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MAYBE NOT JUST THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM, BUT, BUT EACH OF THE CATEGORIES, IF WE'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE OR TWO, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          UH, WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS. 
          UH, WE'LL JUST, SO YOU'LL USE THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE HERE ON OPTION TWO WITH JUST SOME SLIGHT, UH, UH, EXAMPLES FOR NOW. 
          AND WE WILL LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER ROUND LATER WHENEVER WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          OKAY. 
          COOL. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON ANY OTHER ITEMS? NO. 
          NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEN, UM, OUR NEXT STEPS, UH, WE WILL ADD THE QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICATION. 
          WE WILL, UM, ADD THESE GUIDELINES TO THE APPLICATION AND THE WEBPAGE. 
          AND, UM, I, I GUESS WE DO MAYBE NEED TO CLARIFY IF, IF ALL APPLICANTS ON FILE ARE GO GOING TO DO THE NEW APPLICATION WITH THE NEW QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRUDENT, BUT JUST, JUST YEAH. 
          CAN WE SEND IT, CAN WE, WHEN, WHEN IT, WHEN IT, WHEN THEY, WHEN, WHEN THEY NEED TO RENEW THEIR APPLICATION, WHICH IS EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST, IT'S A LONG TIME TO GET TO THE, I KNOW, TO THE MEAT OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE WAY WE WOULD HAVE TO THREE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE WAY, THE WAY WE WOULD'VE TO DO IT IS WE WOULD JUST EMAIL EVERYONE WHO HAS AN APPLICATION ON HAND. 
          WE WOULD PROVIDE 'EM THE THREE QUESTIONS. 
          SAY THE APPLICATION IS BEING EXPANDED, WE REQUEST YOU FILL THIS OUT. 
          PROBABLY GIVE THEM BY THE END OF OCTOBER MM-HMM . 
          UM, MAYBE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THOSE BACK. 
          UM, AND, UM, READY TO GO FOR YOUR, YOUR, YOUR REVIEW BEFORE YOUR, YOUR FIRST MEETING TO CALL 'EM IN. 
          YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE REGA REGARDING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS LAST GO AROUND. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SAMSO. 
          WELL, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I MISSED LAST WEEK. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          OR NOT THE LAST WEEK, THE LAST MEETING, YEAH. 
          WHEN YOU GUYS DISCUSSED THIS ITEM. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, CLARIFY MY POSITION ON CERTAIN THINGS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I DO PREFER, YOU KNOW, UH, RECORDED INTERVIEW. 
          UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC, UH, SERVICE, SO EVENTUALLY EVERYBODY NEED TO GET USED TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FACE THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE HUMAN NATURE. 
          THEY DON'T LIKE TO SEE ANY CHANGE. 
          UH, IT'S NOT JUST HERE EVERYWHERE. 
          SO EVENTUALLY THIS WILL BE A NORMAL, UH, BUT ALSO I DO UNDERSTAND RECORDING. 
          YOU KNOW, I PREFER TO RECORD EVERYTHING, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WE DO HAVE LIMITED BUDGET. 
          UH, IF WE HAD SOMEDAY A WHOLE BUNCH OF UNLIMITED, UH, BUDGET, THEN WE COULD ADD THOSE THINGS. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TIMING, I GUESS WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AUDIO RECORD THAT THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND, YOU KNOW, AGREED UPON. 
          SO I AGREE ON THAT. 
          SO THESE ARE MY POSITION, UH, JUST TO MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT, I'D BRING IT RIGHT BACK UP IF I THOUGHT THAT YOUR EXTRA, UH, THOUGHT ON THAT WOULD WORK. 
          BUT, UH, I THINK WE WERE, UH, OUTNUMBERED ON THAT ONE, WHICH IS FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS, BUT I'M GLAD YOU AT LEAST PUT, PUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN MAYOR, I'M SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT ON THIS TOPIC AND MAYBE I JUST GOT CONFUSED WITH THAT'S OKAY. 
          MULTIPLE VOICEMAILS FLYING AROUND. 
          IS THIS, WERE WE GONNA REVISIT THE RECORDING TOPIC? WE CAN. 
          THIS IS A GREAT TIME FOR YOU TO BRING IT UP AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT TO, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT. 
          I WAS, I WAS JUST I KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN, I, I KNOW COUNCILOR BARDO, IT'S, IT'S VERY LATE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT UP NOW. 
          HERE. 
          LET ME, 
          [04:05:01]
LET ME, LET ME BRING UP A SUGGESTION ON THE RECORDING. 
          UH, AS I'VE GIVEN IT SOME THOUGHT AND TAKEN SOME OPINION, I'D LOVE Y'ALL'S OPINIONS ON THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER NOT AUDIO RECORDING, UH, THE CIVIL SERVICE DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, I THINK THOSE, UH, CAN DEFINITELY GET INTO A LOT OF, UM, UH, INFORMATION THAT PROBABLY IS NOT GREAT FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, SO PERSONALLY I WOULD, I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, EXEMPTING FROM, UH, ALL THE COUNCIL, I MEAN, ALL THE COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS BEING RECORDED. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING I THINK IS, UM, THE ACTUAL INTERVIEWS THAT HAPPEN WITH THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THERE ARE VERY PROPRIETARY AND FINANCIAL AND OTHER VERY DETAILED DISCUSSIONS THAT HAPPEN WITH THAT COMMITTEE. 
          UH, I THINK IF, IF WE CAN EXEMPT THOSE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE COULD STAND THE WAY THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED. 
          NOW, IF THE COUNCIL FEELS STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD RECORD EVERYTHING, I'M TOTALLY COOL WITH THAT. 
          BUT I, I THOUGHT I, THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I THOUGHT THERE WERE A COUPLE REASONABLE EX, UH, EXCEPTIONS THERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, BARRIOS MAYOR, I THINK THE SPIRIT BEHIND WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS WAS, OR AT LEAST MY TAKE AND MY STANCE WAS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN OPEN MEETING, IF THOSE MEETINGS ARE OPEN MEETINGS, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE EXEMPT. 
          UM, I, IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. 
          BUT THEY'RE OPEN MEETINGS, SO THEY NEED TO BE UNDER THE RULES. 
          I MEAN, WE START, NICK PICKING, WE, WE CAN START THIS CONVERSATION ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S KIND OF A DANGEROUS THING TO PULL UP. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHEMEL. 
          YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, I WILL GIVE SOME EXAMPLE, WHICH ONE IS NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE OPEN MEETINGS. 
          THERE ARE CON CONFIDENTIAL, UH, DOCUMENTS AND THERE ARE ALSO COPYRIGHT DOCUMENTS THAT YOU CANNOT DISCUSS PUBLICLY. 
          THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME DURING, YOU KNOW, UH, RFQ PROCESS. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE, WE GET LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY THAT LET US KNOW THAT IF THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL FOR YOU TO DISCLOSE PUBLICLY, OR, UH, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK THAT THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL FOR YOUR BUSINESS, YOU CAN LET US KNOW. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCLOSE THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS REQUESTED OPEN RECORD. 
          SO, SO THO THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD TO HAVE LIKE A HYBRID EVEN FOR ANY OTHER MEETINGS, LIKE EVEN FOR THE COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT WE DISCUSS FEW THINGS TO ELECT MAIL PRO. 
          UH, SOMETIMES SOMEONE OF THE CANDIDATE HAS SOME CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT THEY DON'T LIKE TO DISCUSS PUBLICLY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT, YOU KNOW, IN CLOSED DOOR. 
          NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THIS THING PUBLICLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE CONFIDENTIAL. 
          SO IT COULD BE HYBRID, IT COULD BE MIXED. 
          I THINK, UH, THIS IS VERY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAWYER CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE THAT THIS IS ACCEPTABLE PROCESS. 
          I THINK THE LAWYER WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM COUNCILMAN CORCORAN SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OR NOT. 
          WE ARE, YEAH. 
          I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE DECISION WE'D PREVIOUSLY MADE TO RECORD BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEETINGS AND AS MAYOR OMAR INDICATED CERTAIN, CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE THEN. 
          ADDITIONALLY AS BOARD LIAISON, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FEEDBACK I'M GONNA GET FROM THE PARKS BOARD. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT FEEDBACK OTHER LIAISONS HAVE GOTTEN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I JUST WANTED TO EITHER SAY THAT MAYBE WE OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION AGAIN IN A COUPLE MONTHS, ONCE MAYBE LIAISONS HAVE HAD CHANCE FOR FEEDBACK JUST TO, JUST TO TALK ABOUT BOARD SPECIFIC ITEMS OR, OR IF I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THAT WAY, WE JUST, JUST SHUT ME DOWN. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD INSTEAD OF AT 10 15 AT NIGHT. 
          I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVING THIS DISCUSSION HASTILY, JUST SO WE CAN END THE MEETING, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT LATER. 
          AND I, WE DID, IT'S AN OPEN RECORD. 
          WE GOT, WE GOT FEEDBACK ALREADY FROM, FROM ONE OF THE COMMISSIONS I SIT ON WHERE THERE WAS A STRONG REACTION BY A COMMISSIONER TO THE DECISION. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT ONCE ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT WITH IT AND DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S REALLY AN ISSUE FOR, FOR THEM OR NOT. 
          UM, THAT WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE MOVE FORWARD IN JANUARY DISCUSSION. 
          ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS THERE? JUST, UH, YES. 
          ONE I'LL, WE'VE, I'M SUPPORTING THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE AND IF WE DO WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, WE PUT IT ON ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM FOR ANOTHER TIME. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          WE WILL, UH, WE'LL PUSH IT OUT TO ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM. 
          I WOULD JUST SUGGEST WE GOTTA DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO TELEGRAPH SO THAT PEOPLE COULD RESIGN IF THEY SO CHOSE OR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT WANNA DO, SO THAT WE COULD DECIDE HOW MANY OTHER APPLICANTS WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          UM, I, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT FOR, FOR THE FUTURE CONVERSATION. 
          THANK YOU AMY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          [9. CONSENT AGENDA]
ALRIGHT, UM, CALL FOR, WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, MAYOR PRO 
          [04:10:01]
TIMM HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT TO AGENDA AS PUBLISHED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S A SEVEN ZERO VOTE. 
          [10. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]
ALRIGHT. 
          ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST? ANYONE? OH, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SOME, SO YOU GUYS MIGHT AS WELL. 
          ARE YOU SURE? NO. 
          ONE GREAT JOB ON HINE'S OCTOBER FEST. 
          THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED. 
          YEAH, SO FIRST TIME I NOTICED, UH, SPEAKING OF H FINES, FIRST TIME I NOTICED THE KIDS SECTION. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT NOTICING IT PREVIOUSLY, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS BRILLIANT AND IT WAS JUST BEAUTIFUL AND PEOPLE SEEMED TO REALLY LOVE IT. 
          UM, UH, THERE WAS A SUSAN G KOMEN, UH, EVENT AT UT DALLAS, A HUGE WIN FOR RICHARDSON AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, UH, SPEND, UH, ANY RESOURCES OR ANY EFFORT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN 'CAUSE IT HAPPENED ON THEIR CAMPUS. 
          6,000 RUNNERS, UH, THAT SHOWED UP, UH, TO RICHARDSON AND, UH, SPENT THEIR MORNING WITH US. 
          UM, UH, AND I, LAST THING I'VE GOT ON MY LIST IS, UH, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF DIWALI AND, UH, I THINK THERE'LL BE A FEW DIFFERENT CELEBRATIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. 
          UH, BUT, UM, HAPPY DIWALI TO THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. 
          THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          UH, LAST TUESDAY THE PARKS COMMISSION MET, UM, THEY DISCUSSED METRICS FOR ACTIVITIES AND RECREATION. 
          I DON'T WANNA SPOIL THE GOOD NEWS FOR EVERYONE, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT UNTIL OUR PRESENTATION. 
          I ALSO WANNA SAY, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD MULTIPLE RESIDENTS REACH OUT TO ME. 
          I THINK IT IS DEFINITELY AN ITEM OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, ALL THE VEGETATION GROWTH ALONG THE CP UH, KC RAILROAD. 
          JUST WANT TO SAY THAT DON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. 
          HE'S REACHED OUT TO THEIR A VP OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND REQUESTED AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED WITH KNOWING THE MOST AFFECTED AREAS. 
          NOW WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OF THAT, BUT JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE AND WE'RE, WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH HIM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN BARRIO MAYOR. 
          UM, YOU AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN THE INTERFAITH ALLIANCE. 
          UM, THAT WAS YESTERDAY. 
          YESTERDAY, OVER AT, IN EPIC. 
          AND, UH, IT WAS AN HONOR TO BE THERE ALONG WITH MANY OTHER, UM, PLANO CIVIC LEADERS, UM, AND WITH A LOT OF NONPROFITS AND FAITH, UH, HOUSES OF WORSHIP AND FAITH OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT FAITHS AND, UH, TO SEE THEM PACKING FOOD AND TRYING TO HELP ADDRESS HUNGER ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WORLDWIDE. 
          SO IT WAS AN HONOR TO BE THERE. 
          AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD, UM, THE DART OPENS THIS WEEK, UH, THE NEW SILVER LINE. 
          SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, UH, KEEP AN EYE OUT ON WHAT DART'S PUTTING OUT COMMUNICATION WISE. 
          SO WE LOOK FORWARD, I KNOW MANY OF US, IF NOT ALL OF US, WILL PROBABLY BE THERE AT SOME POINT LATER IN THE WEEK, UH, TO CELEBRATE DART'S NEW SILVER LINE OPENING. 
          YEAH. 
          ON THE INTERFAITH ALLIANCE, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THEY PACKED FOOD FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEALS, WHICH IS JUST A PHENOMENAL EFFORT. 
          AND, UH, REALLY PROUD OF THE RICHARDSON INTERFAITH ALLIANCE FOR, UH, PUTTING THAT ALL TOGETHER. 
          SO COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          YEAH. 
          SPEAKING OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, , I HAD THE ANIMAL SERVICES ADVISORY COMMISSION ON TUESDAY, AND, UH, WE'RE PAINFULLY CLOSE TO GETTING THE ANIMAL SHELTER OPEN. 
          THAT WILL BE VERY SOON. 
          AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN BY, I RECOMMEND YOU DRIVE BY AND SEE THE AMAZING ART PIECE THAT IS OUT THERE. 
          MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY MADE LITTLE TILES THAT GO ON THE BOTTOM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A REALLY, REALLY GREAT ART PIECE. 
          AND THE ARTIST WAS WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. 
          THURSDAY, THE COMMUNITY INCLUSION ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION MET AND, UM, THEY WILL BE OUT AND ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY SOON. 
          THEY WERE GIVEN A WHOLE LIST OF OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          UM, SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY WILL BE AT THE DART EVENT ON SATURDAY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'LL SEE OUR COMMUNITY INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THEM. 
          AND THEN JUST A SHOUT OUT TO THE LEADERSHIP RICHARDSON ALUMNI ASSOCIATION. 
          WE, UH, WELCOME IN, UH, WELCOMED IN THE NEW CLASS. 
          SO AT THE NEW CLASS RECEPTION, UH, LAST WEEK. 
          SO A NEW CLASS OF, OF LEADERS ARE COMING. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN AINE, UH, SHA I SEE THAT YOUR LIGHT IS NOT ON, BUT, UH, DO YOU MIND LETTING US KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE EISMAN CENTER, UH, UH, THIS WEEKEND? IT WAS A GREAT LITTLE GROUP THAT YOU KIND OF HELPED US LAND . 
          I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT. 
          UH, OH, I'VE BEEN UP SINCE LAST FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNINGS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          UH, THERE WAS, UM, THE, THE TAIWAN IS, UH, UH, THE ALLIANCE OF NORTH AMERICAN CHINESE PHYSICIANS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE ACTUAL, THE POLITICAL NAME, CORRECT NAME, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY HAD, UH, THEIR, UH, ANNUAL CONFERENCE, 10TH ANNUAL CONFERENCE, UH, AT E CENTER. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE HABIT AND I WAS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE AT LEAST I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT THEY CHOOSE REJECTION AS THEIR VENUE THIS TIME. 
          AND I HEARD FROM THEM THEY REALLY LIKED IT. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THEY'RE VERY HAPPY THAT THEY HAD DONE THIS LOCATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS IN HELPING 
          [04:15:01]
US TRY TO FIND A WAY TO GET THEM OVER HERE. 
          AND IT WAS A REALLY GREAT, UH, GROUP, UH, TO KNOW THAT THEY WERE IN CHICAGO LAST YEAR AND THAT THEY CHOSE RICHARDSON, UH, FOR THEIR THING THIS YEAR, I THOUGHT WAS REALLY FANTASTIC. 
          SO THAT WAS REALLY, YEAH, THAT WAS REALLY GREAT. 
          UH, THAT DON HAD REALLY TOOK THE INITIATIVE OF BEHIND THE SCENE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE VENUE. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS THE ROUTE PROBABLY WE SHOULD TAKE, HAVE MORE, MORE OF THE CONFERENCE THEY HELD OVER HERE. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST, THEY HAD THE ICEMAN CENTER, THEY ALSO HAD THE, UH, THE HOTEL, HILTON HOTEL THERE, THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL THERE. 
          SO THEY ARE BUSY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. 
          UH, WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS. 
          THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 10:15 PM.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.