* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM I'LL NOW ASK COUNCIL MEMBER INE TO GIVE THE INVOCATION AND LEAD THE PLEDGES. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE INVOCATION. DEAR GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS AND THE MOST MERCIFUL. WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF THIS DAY AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. GRANT US WISDOM IN OUR DECISIONS, COMPASSION IN OUR ACTIONS, AND UNITY IN OUR PURPOSE. PROTECT OUR CITY, BLESS OUR FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORS, AND GUIDE US TO LEAD WITH FAIRNESS, HUMILITY, AND RESPECT. MAY ALL THAT WE DO BRING PEACE AND GOODNESS TO THOSE WHO SERVE I. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. FLAG OF THE STATES OF AND TO THE REPUBLIC. REPUBLIC STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. LIBERTY, JUSTICE. NOW THE TEXAS FLAG. HONOR THE TEXAS BANK, PLEASURE TO BE TEXAS ONE, STATE ONE AND INDIVIDUAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. ALRIGHT, ITEM [3. MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 27, 2025 AND NOVEMBER 3, 2025 MEETINGS] NUMBER THREE IS THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 27TH, 2025, AND NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025. MEETINGS, MAYOR, PROM, HUTCHIN. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES AS PUBLISHED. COUNCIL MEMBER INE. I SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SEVEN ZERO. [4. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM] ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE HAVE, UH, NO CARDS SUBMITTED IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE THREE SPEAKERS, UM, THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS TONIGHT. SO FOR THE SPEAKERS AND FOR THE VARIANCE, I'LL READ THE, UH, INSTRUCTIONS, UH, DURING THIS PORTION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. UH, IF THERE IS TIME LEFT DURING THE INITIAL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITOR'S FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS REACHED, THEN SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITOR'S FORUM SCHEDULED. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING, ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS WILL CALL IN THE ORDER THEY'RE RECEIVED. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES IS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. WHEN THE SPEAKER, WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. SPEAKERS, COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, A POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE, AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES FOR THE ATION OF THE MEETING. MS. EMER, MAYOR, WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS TONIGHT. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS MARCUS BETSON. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND AND COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. SIR, I'M HERE TO DO YOU MIND STARTING WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? UM, MARCUS BATSON, 3 4 7 4 HERITAGE PLACE. THANK YOU. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT, UH, STARTING OVER. UH, SO GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO, IN REGARDS TO THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, I'M HERE TO ASK RICHARDSON TO REMOVE THE PARKING MINIMUMS AND IMPLEMENT PARKING MAXIMUMS. CONSIDER THIS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR CITY'S VALUABLE LAND IS DEDICATED EXCLUSIVELY TO SURFACE PARKING THAT SITS EMPTY MOST OF THE TIME? HOW OFTEN DO THESE VAST LOTS EXCEED 80% CAPACITY? I ASK BECAUSE THESE MANDATES DIRECTLY CONFLICT WITH OUR NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHEN WE LEGALLY REQUIRE MORE PARKING THAN THE MARKET DEMANDS, WE LIMIT FLEXIBILITY AND INCREASE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. FURTHERMORE, EXCESSIVE PARKING DAMAGES OUR CITY'S FABRIC. IT PUSHES BUILDINGS APART, MAKES RICHARDSON LESS WALKABLE, AND CREATES DEAD SPACES THAT ARE OFTEN LARGER THAN THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY SERVE. WE SHOULD LET THE MARKET DECIDE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, RATHER THAN RELYING ON THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS MANUALS, WHICH OFTEN LACK DATA BACKED JUSTIFICATIONS. BUILDERS WILL STILL PROVIDE NECESSARY PARKING FOR THEIR TENANTS [00:05:01] AND CUSTOMERS, BUT THEY WON'T BE FORCED INTO BUILDING EXCESSIVE PARKING. RICHARDSON HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE THE MANY SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES OF COMPARABLE SEAS LIKE SHREVEPORT, BIRMINGHAM, RICHMOND, LEXINGTON, TOLEDO, AND BUFFALO. SO LET'S PRIORITIZE PARKING OVER PEOPLE. LET'S PRIORITIZE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE OVER STORAGE FOR CARS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. PATSON. CHUCK EISMAN. I AM, UH, CHARLES EISMAN, 23 SHADY COVE HERE IN RICHARDSON. I HAVE TWO TOPICS. I WILL GO QUICKLY TO COMPLY WITH YOUR CLOCK. FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU KNOW, IN TWO YEARS, WE'LL BE CELEBRATING THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ICEMAN CENTER, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE A AS BIG AND AS GOOD A CELEBRATION AS AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IN 20, WHEN WE HAD OUR 20TH ANNIVERSARY, WE WERE JUST GOING INTO COVID AND THINGS WERE NOT QUITE SO GOOD THEN . BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A REALLY DYNAMIC PERSON TO GO LEAD THIS CHARGE. AND, UH, I HOPE THAT, UH, YOU FIND SOMEONE EQUIVALENT TO COURTNEY TANNER. THOSE OF YOU WHO KNEW COURTNEY, KNOW WHAT A GREAT LADY SHE WAS. AND SO WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO A REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCE HERE, UH, TO CELEBRATE OUR 25TH ANNIVERSARY. UH, SECONDLY, I WAS STRUCK THE OTHER DAY. I WAS IN THE LOBBY OF THE CENTER, AND A YOUNG LADY CAME UP TO ME AND SHE SAID, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW VALUABLE THIS PLACE HAS BEEN TO ME. I DIDN'T KNOW HER. SHE SAID, 15 YEARS AGO, I CAME HERE TO DANCE, AND I, IT'S, IT SET MY WHOLE LIFE APART, AND IT MADE ME VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY I WAS. AND, AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE THING WE DON'T DO VERY WELL AS HUMANS, AND THAT'S TO SAY THANK YOU. AND THIS YOUNG LADY HAD HAD JUST SAID THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE KNEW WHO I WAS, BUT SHE CAME UP RIGHT OUT OF THE BLUE. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GIVE A CITY A PILE OF CHIPS, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LONG TERM. WE'RE NOW 23 YEARS INTO THIS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF OUR MAYORS FROM THE TIME WHEN THE CENTER WAS PUT TOGETHER IN, IN CONCEPT IT WAS GARY SLAGEL WORKING WITH BILL KEFFER. IF IT NOT, IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE TWO OF THEM, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE A CENTER RIGHT NOW. THEY MADE IT HAPPEN. HAD THEY WAITED OR PROCRASTINATED SIX MONTHS, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE TECH BUST. BUT MAYOR SINCE THEN, UH, MAYOR MITCHELL TOWNSEND, MOKA VEER DUBY, AND OUR CURRENT MAYOR, MAYOR OMAR, Y'ALL HAVE SET THE STANDARD AND PROVIDED THE MAINTENANCE DOLLARS NEEDED TO KEEP THIS PLACE LIKE IT IS. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE BRAND NEW IN THERE. THE MOST COMMON COMMENT I GET FROM PEOPLE WHO GO IN IS, WELL, HOW LONG, HOW OLD IS THIS? AND I SAY, WELL, HOW OLD DO YOU THINK? AND THEY SAY, OH, UH, EIGHT, 10 YEARS. NO, IT IS 23 YEARS OLD. REALLY? AND YOU'VE PROBABLY HAD SIMILAR COMMENTS. AND THE REASON IS THAT YOU ALLOCATE THE TIME TO FIX THINGS. YOU SET ASIDE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND SOME MONEY, WHICH SOME OF IT IS GENERATED WITH TICKET SALES, AND, AND YOU MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. YOU CLEAN AND YOU TIGHTEN, AND YOU PAINT AND YOU FIX, AND YOU HAVE KEPT THE PLACE ALIVE AND VIBRANT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. AND WE NEED THIS CONTINUING AS IT AS IT HAS IN THE PAST. UM, I'M, I'M VERY MUCH INDEBTED TO OUR CITY MANAGERS SINCE THEN. BILL KEFLER, BILL WAS JUST A JEWEL TO WORK WITH DURING THIS PROCESS. DAN JOHNSON VERY ON IT THE WHOLE TIME. AND NOW, DON, DON, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU AND ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING TO, TO KEEP THE CENTER OF ALIVE AND VIBRANT AND SO WELL MAINTAINED. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S JUST, BEAU, YOU HAVE MADE ME PROUD. THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE ME PROUD. YOU HAD [00:10:01] THAT PROCESS HAPPEN, UH, THIS LAST SUMMER, AND IT HAPPENS EVERY SUMMER. YOU SHUT DOWN MORE OR LESS FOR TWO WEEKS, AND, AND YOU, YOU MAKE THIS, THIS STUFF HAPPEN. I'M ALSO INDEBTED AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, BRUCE MCPHERSON AND BILL FOX, WHO, WHO MADE IT HAPPEN. AND THIS, AND NOW WE HAVE, UH, ALI HAYNES HAMLIN AND VIRGIL VIRGIL'S OUT THERE. YOU, YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S A GLITCH. YOU'RE GOING, VIRGIL, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO STAY OUT EVERYBODY'S HAIR, BUT ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU KNOW, VIRGIL . AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S FIXED IMMEDIATELY. AND I JUST RAN OUTTA TIME. BUT VIRGIL AND MIKAYLA, UH, Y'ALL ARE JUST, UH, WONDERFUL TO DEAL WITH AND I WANT TO THANK YOU. WE DON'T DO ENOUGH THANKING IN OUR TOWN, AND I'M A PROBLEM WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING, AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE PRIOR COUNCILS FOR ALL THAT THEY'VE DONE. YOU'VE REALLY MADE IT HAPPEN. AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER VENUES WHEN THEY DON'T MAKE IT HAPPEN, BECAUSE YOU READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER, THEY WILL BE UNNAMED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. EMAN. CHARLIE NEWTON, CHARLIE NEWTON, 2106 GOLDENROD DRIVE. I AGREE WITH MR. EMAN, AND IT'S SO GOOD TO GET TO SEE HIM NOW AND THEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN MR. EMAN IN A WHILE, BUT I AGREE ALSO. THIS IS A WONDERFUL CITY. I LOVE THIS CITY. THE PEOPLE LOVE THIS CITY. PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT RICHARDSON ALL THE TIME, AND I SAY, TELL 'EM, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE RICHARDSON. I WAS LOOKING AT THE DR. HORTON TOWN HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT ON ARAPAHOE, AND THE REALTOR DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RICHARDSON. I FILLED HER IN. SHE SAID, CHARLIE, CAN I CALL YOU TO TALK TO MY CUSTOMERS? THEY WON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I SAID, IT'S ALL TRUE. YOU'LL FIND NO CITY WITH BETTER SERVICE AND BETTER PEOPLE THAN RICHARDSON. AND MR. ICEMAN, YOU HELP MAKE RICHARDSON THAT WAY. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL. AS YOU KNOW, I LOVE THIS BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE. THE BIBLE IS ONE GOD AND ONE SON OF GOD. AND THIS IS THE BOOK THAT MADE AMERICA GREAT. AND HERE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AMERICA IS SLIPPING AWAY FROM THIS BOOK. AND I DON'T HAVE TO POINT OUT TO YOU THE MESS OUR COUNTRY'S IN. AND I DO NOT WANT MY CITY TO GET INTO ANY KIND OF MESS LIKE WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND I AM APPEALING THAT AT THIS WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL THAT I HAD A GOOD MEETING WITH YVONNE AND DIANA THIS PAST TUESDAY, AND THEY SAID, ALL THE ENTERTAINMENT IS BOOKED. EVERY STAGE IS BOOKED. THERE'S NOT A ROOM IN THE ICEMAN CENTER AVAILABLE BECAUSE I TRIED EVERY ANGLE I COULD THINK OF, BUT I AM APPEALING TO YOU DON MAGAR, AND YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, FIND ROOM FOR GOD AND JESUS IN THIS YEAR'S WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL ON SUNDAY. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT PRAY. NO PRAISE GOD. SUNDAY AT THE WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GOD IN OUR CITY USED TO. MINISTERS WOULD COME AND PRAY AT THIS PODIUM, AND THAT WAS ELIMINATED. FRIENDS, GOD IS THE ONE THAT BLESSED THIS NATION. GOD WILL BLESS OUR CITY. AND WHAT MY VISION IS AND WHAT I SEE, GOD WANTS TO MAKE RICHARDSON THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD FOR ALL CITIES. AND WE ARE SO MULTICULTURAL. WE HAVE SO MANY RELIGIONS, WE NEED TO [00:15:01] COME TOGETHER. AND IN MY PROPOSAL FOR PRAY, RICHARDSON, IT IS TO INVITE EVERY MINISTER OF EVERY RELIGION WHO WISHES TO, UH, SPEAK AT THE WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL, THAT THEY HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SAY INSPIRATIONAL WORDS. WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE, WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER. BUT THERE IS, BUT ONE GOD, ONE HOLY BOOK THE BIBLE, AND NO MAN WILL COME TO THE FATHER, EXCEPT THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, I WILL CLOSE IN PRAYER. GOD OUR FATHER, JESUS CHRIST, OUR SAVIOR. I SEE SO MUCH, MANY GREAT THINGS IN THIS CITY, AND I SEE EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF THE 18 YEARS, A FEW OF US HAVE PRAYED FOR THIS CITY. AND AS OF THIS YEAR, MY WIFE AND I, IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR TO HAVE LIVED IN THIS CITY 40 YEARS. AND WE'RE NOT MOVING, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE ELSE. FATHER, I JUST PRAY YOUR BLESSINGS UPON OUR CITY STAFF, UPON DON MAGAR ON MAYOR OMAR AND THE CITY COUNCIL. AND LORD JUST BLESS US IN WAYS THAT I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. I PRAY THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR SAVIOR. AMEN. THANK YOU MR. NEWTON. NO FURTHER CARDS, MAYOR, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING THAT IS LOOKING TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, [8. VARIANCE NO. 25-01, CONSIDER AND ACT ON A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF TWO VARIANCES RELATED TO CHAPTER 21, SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT, ARTICLE Ill, SECTION 21-46(0) AND (E) [LOTS AND BLOCKS] TO ALLOW A FLAG LOT AND A LOT WITHOUT SIDE LOT LINES AT RIGHT ANGLES TO A TANGENT STREET LINE OR RADIAL STREET LINE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. THE APPROXIMATELY 0.2733-ACRE TRACT IS LOCATED AT 300 WISTA VISTA DR., WEST OF ABRAMS RD., ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WISTA VISTA DR.] UH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, LEAPFROG, UH, THE REST OF OUR ITEMS, UH, JUST IN THE INTEREST IN OF TIME FOR, UH, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT. UH, SO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS VARIANCE NUMBER 25 DASH OH ONE. CONSIDER AND ACT ON A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF TWO VARIANCES TO ALLOW A FLAG LOT AND A LOT WITHOUT SIDE LOT LINES AT RIGHT ANGLES, TO A TANGENT STREET LINE OR RADIAL STREET LINE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. LOCATED AT 300 WEST VISTA DRIVE. MR. MAGNER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, WANNA WELCOME TINA FERGUS, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND DAN TRACY, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AS WELL, AS WELL AS AARON ZO, WHO'S OUR PLANNER. UM, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS A VARIANCE. AND, UM, SO SUBSEQUENT TO AARON'S PRESENTATION, AND YOU ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS, UH, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND, UH, WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HANDLE THIS AS, UH, JUST AS YOU WOULD ANY OTHER ACTION ITEM FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. SO, AARON, I'LL TURN IT OVER YOU FURTHER, UH, BRIEFING, WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. UH, WE'LL GIVE US TWO MINUTES. OKAY? WE'RE CHECKING IN WITH GREG REAL QUICK. THEY WERE DOING, SORRY. ONE MOMENT. THIS ONE. RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, TONIGHT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT VARIANCE NUMBER 25 DASH ZERO ONE. UH, LIKE AS THE MAYOR SAID, A FLAG LOT AND RADIAL OR NON AND TANGENTIAL LOT LINE, UH, VARIANCES. UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED TODAY AT 300 WEST VISTA DRIVE AT THE END OF THE ROAD THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UH, THE CURRENT ZONING TODAY IS R NINE 50 M UNDER ORDINANCE 5 89. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE, THESE TWO REQUESTS TONIGHT IS TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT A RE PLAT IN THE FUTURE THAT WILL THEN COMPLY WITH OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. AND THEN THAT, UH, WITH THAT APPROVED PLAT, THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN ALLOW TO BE, UH, APPLY FOR BILLING PERMITS. SO ON THE SCREEN HERE, WE HAVE THE TWO CONDITIONS AND THE TWO REQUESTS. THE FIRST REQUEST IS FOR THE LOT, THE FLAG LOT, EXCUSE ME, UH, THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN BLUE. UH, GENERALLY, UH, A FLAG LOT IS, UH, REPRESENTED BY A, GENERALLY A LONG NARROW PORTION. BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR [00:20:01] ONE, IT IS QUITE SHORT AND STUBBY. AND IT IS, UH, PRIMARILY BEHIND AN ADJACENT PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. OUR REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS TO HAVE NONT TANGENTIAL OR NON, UH, RADIAL SIDE LOT LINES. GENERALLY, YOU WOULD SEE LOT LINES RADIATE FROM THE CENTER OF THAT, OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC AND RADIATING OUTWARD IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED THERE. YOU'LL NOTICE THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE, UH, PORTIONS THAT MAKE UP THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S MADE OF LA LOT, EXCUSE ME, TRACK 54, 57, AND LOT 13. THE LOT WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED IN THE 1940S. A HOUSE WAS EVENTUALLY BUILT IN 1956. UH, SUBSEQUENTLY, THE CITY ADOPTED ITS SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES IN 1966, UH, EFFECTIVELY MAKING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY LEGAL NONCONFORMING IN ITS, UH, STATUS. SO, UH, SO, SO THE REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS, UH, FOR FOR CONTEXT IS IF WE FAST FORWARD TODAY, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. THIS TRIGGERED ONE OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRES EACH LOT TO HAVE AN APPROVED PLAT. THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A THREE STEP PROCESS. UH, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. THE FIRST STEP IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, IS TO RECEIVE THESE VARIANCES FROM THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES. UH, ASSUMING, UM, YOU APPROVE THIS, UH, TONIGHT, HE WILL, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN ALLOW TO BE, APPLY FOR A REPL, WHICH WILL THEN BE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES. AND FINALLY, STEP THREE, THEY WILL APPLY FOR THAT BUILDING PERMIT. UH, ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING, UH, HOUSE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY AND CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. UH, TO SUMMARIZE, UH, VARIANCE 25 0 1, UH, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 21ST, UNANIMOUSLY VOTED SIX ZERO TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AS, UH, AS, AS SHOWN, UH, TONIGHT, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE VARIANCE. 25 DASH ZERO ONE IS PRESENTED WITH AMENDED CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT REALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO REQUESTS? UM, I WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF THE, THE PROPERTY SORT OF GOOGLING NONT TANGENTIAL AND RADIAL SIDE LOT LINES THIS WEEKEND. AND I WAS TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE, I MEAN, IT FEELS LIKE THE FLAG LOT REFERS TO A SORT OF A VERY NARROW ENTRANCE AS YOU DESCRIBED. YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT HOW THE NONT TANGENTIAL RELATES TO HOW MUCH PROPERTY, I GUESS IS STREET FRONT. AND SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. THEY SOUND SIMILAR. SURE. SO FLAG LOT, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS. SO FLAG LOT, TRADITIONALLY YOU WOULD THINK THIS WOULD HAVE LIKE A LONG, EXCUSE ME, LONG NARROW PIT, NARROW BIT. AND THEN IT'S ALSO PRIMARILY BEHIND THIS LOT HERE. SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BACKED UP BEHIND IT. YEAH. UH, THE NONT TANGENTIAL OR SIDE RADIAL LOT LINES. SO IF YOU SEE THIS LINE HERE, YOU WOULD SEE THAT WOULD INTERSECT THE CENTER OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC. THESE SIDE LOT LINES OBVIOUSLY DO NOT MEET THAT CONDITION. OKAY. SO ONE OF THEM RELATES TO THE WAY YOU ENTER INTO THE PROPERTY. I'M SORRY, THIS IS JUST TO EDUCATE ME. I, I, I COULDN'T FIGURE THIS OUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT THIS WEEKEND. SO ONE IS FOR HOW YOU ENTER THE PROPERTY, AND ONE IS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY, UM, IT'S MORE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE ACTUAL LOT ITSELF. SO DOES THAT CLEAR IT UP AT ALL? NO, NO. IT CAN BE SOMEBODY PUT INMAN'S TERMS. , LET ME SEE IF I CAN ASSIST. TINA FERGUS, UH, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO TYPICALLY A FLAG LOT IF YOU, IF YOU THINK OF A FLAG, NOT, NOT THIS ONE, THESE GIVEN THE WAY THEY'RE DISPLAYED, BUT YOU NORMALLY HAVE KIND OF A LONG STICK TO THE FLAG, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HORIZONTAL PORTION THAT THE, THE SILK PORTION, RIGHT? SO OUR ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO FLAG LOTS BEING PROHIBITED BECAUSE OF HOW THIS LOT IS GEOGRAPHICALLY LAID OUT. THE, THE STICK OF THE FLAG IS ACTUALLY REALLY SHORT MM-HMM . UM, AS, AND, AND THAT'S THE BLUE PORTION THAT'S SHADED HERE. YEAH. SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE A FLAG LOT. WELL, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS LAID OUT, UM, OVER DECADES AGO, THAT THAT WAS THE RESULTING SITUATION. THE NON TANGENTIAL, THE NON RADIAL LOT LINES HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE POSITION OF THOSE SIDE LOT LINES. AND SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE ONE THAT'S NOTED THERE IN RED, IDEALLY IT WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE PERPENDICULAR TO THE CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT OF WAY, OR COME THROUGH AND INTERSECT THE, THE MIDPOINT OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY. SO THAT'S NOT OCCURRING HERE FROM, FROM A GRAPHICAL STANDPOINT AND, AND HOW THIS LOT WAS LAID OUT AS A RESULT OF THIS SUBDIVISION. IF YOU THINK OF A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OFF OF A CUL-DE-SAC, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR BULB AND THEN USUALLY THE LOTS ARE KIND OF PROJECTING OUT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SITUATION. WE HAVE WHERE THE LOT WAS KIND OF MORE TURNED ON ITS SIDE AND THAT IT'S SITUATING BEHIND. [00:25:01] UM, IN PARTICULAR THE LOT THAT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE, THAT WOULD BE THE E UM, TO THE EAST ON THIS ONE. SO IT'S BECAUSE OF HOW THIS SUBDIVISION WAS LAID OUT BACK IN THE 1940S, IT, IT DOESN'T MEET SOME OF THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. SO, UM, FOR LAYING OUT NEW SUBDIVISIONS TODAY, IF YOU WILL, SO HOPEFUL IT, IT, IT IS KIND OF CONFUSING. I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE CLARITY. I THINK. SO JUST A MINUTE. LET ME TRY AND PUT IT IN MY TERMS. SURE. SO BASICALLY THE SIDE LOT LINE ISSUE IS THAT IT'S REALLY NOT INTERSECTING THE CUL-DE-SAC IN THE WAY THAT WE NEED IT TO. IT'S, IT'S CORRECT BASICALLY PAR, UM, PARALLEL TO IT IN SOME WAYS. AND THEN THE FLAG LOT IS AN UNUSUAL ONE. NORMALLY YOU WOULD SEE A LONGER POLE, LIKE YOU SAID. SO THIS ONE IS A BIT UNUSUAL. UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT HELPS ME. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. THANK YOU. YOU'RE CORRECT. UH, TINA, JUST ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION, IF THE, UH, IF WEST VISTA HAD EXTENDED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE LOT, THAT WOULD'VE AT LEAST SOLVED ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. IS THAT RIGHT? THE TANGENTIAL ISSUE? UH, POTENTIALLY, BUT, UM, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I JUST, 'CAUSE I I, I DON'T SEE ANY PLACE WHERE THAT RED LINE WOULD'VE EVER TOUCHED THE STREET. AND SO I I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE THE TANGENTIAL PART OF THE ISSUE, BUT OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. UH, IDEALLY THIS STREET PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO GREENVILLE, MUCH LIKE THE STREET TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. BUT BACK IN THE FORTIES, SOMEONE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE IT A DEAD END TYPE SITUATION. PROBABLY THE OWNER OF THIS LAWN , UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AARON. QUESTION ON, DO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT? WITH WHAT I CAN'T SEE FROM HERE, AND I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE ON, ON MY SCREEN HERE. WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THAT PROPOSED DRIVEWAY OF THE LINE THAT ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE CUL-DE-SAC? THE BLUE THERE, THE FRONTAGE TO THE CUL? IT'S 12.76 FEET. 12.7. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE WIDTH OF THE ACTUAL DRIVEWAY? I DON'T SEE A ISSUE. THE ONLY THING I'M WONDERING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHY WOULD INITIALLY SOMETHING BE PLOTTED OUT THAT WAY? AND I'M WONDERING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIRST RESPONDER ACCESS. UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT ENOUGH TO WHERE WE CAN GET A FIRE TRUCK IN THERE? IS WHAT I'M THINKING. BECAUSE IF THERE WERE A FIRE IN THIS BUILDING, UH, IN THIS HOME THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT, WILL A FIRE, OBVIOUSLY THEY'D HAVE TO ACCESS THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY OF SOME OTHER WAY. SO DO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THERE FOR WHAT THAT WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY CAN BE? AND IS IT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE A TRUCK? OR WHAT ARE, DO WE RUN THIS STUFF THROUGH FIRE BEFORE IT COMES TO US? WE DO. AND SO WE HAVE CONSULTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE, THE STREET THAT EXISTS TODAY, WEST VISTA IS A, AN A SUBSTANDARD STREET FOR OUR PURPOSES IN TERMS OF IT, IF IT'S MINIMUM WIDTH REQUIREMENT. SO WE DID CONFER WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE, UM, TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. AND IN OTHER RESIDENCE ON THE STREET. IN THE CASE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND WHERE IT'S CONNECTING TO WEST VISTA, IDEALLY THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH WOULD BE SOMEWHERE ABOUT 10 FEET IN WIDTH TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A VE A PERSONAL VEHICLE BEING ABLE TO DRIVE ON THE PERSON'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE WOULD NOT DRIVE A FIRE APPARATUS ON, ON A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT IN, IN, UM, IN ALL REALITY, WE WOULD KEEP THAT PARTICULAR APPARATUS WITHIN OUR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA PROVIDE DAMAGE TO SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FIN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS ONE OF THE, UH, IS IS TERRIBLY FLATTERED IN THE PAST. UH, UH, NOW IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PLAN, YEAH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WORK WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE RADIUS CALL, THE SECRET THAT GOES INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, IDEALLY THIS WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IF THESE TWO PROPERTY COULD BE REPLANTED COMBINED, UH, THAT WAY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THAT THIN AREA THAT'S GONNA BE THERE IS, UH, IT'S, IT IS GONNA BE ODD MOVING FORWARD. UH, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE, THE STREET ITSELF IS SUBSTANDARD. UH, FIRE TRUCK IN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET IN, BUT GETTING OUT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE A TURN. UH, THERE IS NO CUL-DE-SAC THERE. IT'S ON THE PAPER, BUT PHYSICALLY THERE IS A STREET. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT CITY COULD LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND SOLVE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, LONGER TERM THIS WILL SOLVE. BUT YOU THINK THAT THIS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL PROBLEM, UH, LIKE, UH, THE, LIKE THE FENCE AND OTHER THING THAT WHEN THIS BUILT AND THEY PUT THE FENCE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR FIELD FENCE, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? SO IF I, IF I RECALL OUR, UH, ZONING ORDERS, CORRECT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. UH, ALONG THE SIDE LOT LINES OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES LIKE THIS ONE, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD YOUR FENCE ALONG. AND ON TOP OF THOSE, [00:30:01] THOSE SIDE LOT LINES, UH, SO THERE'S, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS ANY PLANS FOR FENCES. UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH OUR ZONING CODE TODAY. AND THEN TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE LOT LAYOUT, KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO, UM, WITH TRYING TO RECONFIGURE THESE LOTS. AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE TIME PERIOD OF WHICH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS LAID OUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP A PROPERTY OWNER BE ABLE TO, UM, BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RESIDENCE ON THIS PROPERTY. AND SO HENCE THE RELIEF THAT'S NEEDED FROM OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE BECAUSE OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN THIS SIXTIES PROBABLY DID NOT CONTEMPLATE THE FACT THAT THIS SITUATION EXISTED ON THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT, UH, VERY SIMILAR. FIRST OF ALL, UH, WHAT'S LAID OUT IN THIS DIAGRAM THERE IS NOT CURRENTLY A, UH, ROUNDABOUT OR, OR A CUL-DE-SAC. UM, IT DEAD ENDS AND ACTUALLY THE STREET, UH, PENETRATES ONTO THAT PROPERTY AS IT JUST COMES TO A, A DEAD END. SO, BUT, BUT BACK OVER TO THAT POINT OF, FOR FIRE AND SAFETY, YOU LITERALLY, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE END OF THE STREET, YOU'LL HAVE TO BACK UP. 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE HARD TO TURN THE VEHICLE AROUND EVEN IF YOU TRIED TO PULL IN SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY. 'CAUSE THE DRIVEWAYS OVER THERE ARE VERY, VERY NARROW. AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S EVER BEEN INSTANCES WHERE A FIRE TRUCK HAD TO GO DOWN THIS STREET THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BACK UP. AND I'VE SEEN ANOTHER SITUATION VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ON A PERSONAL PROJECT I'M WORKING ON. AND, AND THE CITY WOULD, WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND, AND THEM HELP, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCT A KOVA SAC SOMEWHERE A FIRE TRUCK COULD TURN AROUND. SO IN THE EVENT, AS THESE PROPERTIES GET DEVELOPED, 'CAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY WHAT THREE, I THINK THERE'S THREE PROPERTIES THERE NOW THAT HAVE BEEN REDEVELOPED. THEY'RE NEW HOMES, ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE ORIGINAL BACK FROM THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES. SO HOW IS THIS GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE? OR IS, I MEAN, GENERALLY SPEAKING THIS SOLVES ONE ISSUE WITH JUST SOME THEM ACTUALLY ENTERING THE LOT AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN A, A CIRCLE DRIVEWAY, BUT IN THE WILL THIS, HOW THIS MUST BE AFFECTED IN THE FUTURE. SO, SO, SO THIS IS NOT, THIS IS, UM, A REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING, UM, UM, SINGLE FAMILY LOT. THIS IS THE CITY'S ASSET. AND THIS ISN'T LIKE A NEW DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE HAVE REDEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE ALL OVER THE, ALL OVER THE CITY, AND WE DON'T PUT THE BURDEN OF IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WOULD BE WE WOULD ADDRESS THIS IN A FUTURE BOND PROGRAM AND, AND, UH, RE RECONSTRUCT IT AS CLOSE AS WE COULD TO OUR EXISTING APPROVED CROSS SECTION. UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, FINDS ITSELF IN MANY SITUATIONS AND WHERE, UH, THEY'LL COME INTO, UH, A DEAD END SITUATION LIKE THIS, THEY'RE GONNA FIGHT THE FIRE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE STREET IN THIS CASE. AND, YOU KNOW, BACKING UP IS, IS NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE AFTER THAT, THAT FIRE INCIDENT IS CONCLUDED. UM, I, THIS IS VERY SAFE. UH, WE HAVE THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT, THAT THEY, THAT, UH, RFD CAN, CAN PROVIDE FIRE SERVICES AND, AND EMERGENCY, UH, MAN, UH, MEDICAL SERVICES HERE, UM, VERY ADEQUATELY. BUT THESE ARE, THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING LOT. MM-HMM . UM, IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S, IT'S OCCURRING IN, YOU KNOW, ON FALL CREEK AND CANYON CREEK WHEN THERE'S ISSUES IN THE STREET, WE DON'T PUT THAT BURDEN ONTO THE PRI TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER. YEAH. AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, LITERALLY THERE'S NO WAY TO GET ONTO THE PROPERTY AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE A DRIVEWAY THERE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MORPHINE? YEAH, JUST I WANTED TO AGREE WITH, DO YOU MIND LOWERING YOUR, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY PETER, AND, AND ALSO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER DON , TRY CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THE ISSUE, UH, THAT, THAT IS OUT THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, I HOPE IN THE FUTURE WE DO LOOK AT, UH, VISTA VISTA ROAD, UH, AS POTENTIAL RECONSTRUCTION OR MODIFICATION MM-HMM . UH, BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE HOUSES AND THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES THAT, THAT WAS NOT THERE. UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THERE MM-HMM . SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGING. SO I THINK THIS IS GOOD THAT, UH, WE ARE HAVING RECONSTRUCTION, EVEN THE FIRE TRUCKS, IT CAN, YOU KNOW, GET IN AND GET OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME DRIVEWAY THAT'S NOT REALLY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. [00:35:01] SO FIRETRUCK CAN REALLY EASILY USE THOSE, THOSE THINGS THAT'S THERE TODAY. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IDEAL CONDITION, UH, BUT IT'S NOT BAD SITUATION. BUT THIS COULD BE DEFINITELY IMPROVED. I THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN. I SEE THAT THESE ARE GOOD CHANGE HAPPENING. THANK YOU. MR. MAGNER, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION'S SAKE, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR IMAGE, UH, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THIS AS WHERE THEIR PROPERTY LINES END AND WHERE OUR HYPOTHETICAL CUL-DE-SAC WOULD BE. I WOULD ASSUME, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS BEEN PRESENTED THIS, NOT JUST THAT PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THE, THE ONES THAT ARE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF IT. IF, IF ONE DAY THAT CUL-DE-SAC IS BUILT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S A SURPRISE OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE KIND OF AT LEAST HAVE IN THEIR OWN? UH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THIS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AS PART OF THIS, AS PART OF THIS VARIANCE REQUEST. WOULD THEY HAVE IN THEIR OWN CORRECT. IT'S, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF, IF THEY WERE TO BUY ONE OF THOSE LOTS TODAY, THEIR SURVEY, UM, IF THEIR SURVEYOR PROVIDED THEM A, A PLAT OF THE SUBDIVISION, THEN THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT EXISTS TODAY. THIS PARTICULAR IMAGE HERE, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, OKAY, WONDERFUL. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR A MOTION IF THERE IS ONE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU OH, SURE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEN YOU CAN HANDLE THIS AS A ACTION ITEM. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR AN APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE A I'LL MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER? UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE NUMBER 25 DASH ZERO ONE AS PUBLISHED. ALRIGHT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER AINE? I WOULD SECOND IT. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER INE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SEVEN ZERO. WE SAVED YOU A, A TRIP TO THE PODIUM APPLICANT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE [5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE] ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, REVIEW AND DISCUSS UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. MR. MAGNA. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, SIMPLY PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO, UH, FACILITATE IF NECESSARILY IF NECESSARY, EXCUSE ME, A, UH, ANY DISCUSSION, UH, DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE RED LINE OF THE RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED. I FEEL LIKE IT CAPTURES, UH, ALL OF THE EDITS THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. UM, AND ON, UH, PAGE NUMBER SIX INCLUDES THE NEW LANGUAGE, UM, THAT, UH, THAT WAS REQUESTED. SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THIS, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY, UH, FINE AS WELL. THE ACTION ITEM IS ON YOUR AGENDA LATER, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. BUT IF THIS, IF THERE IS ANY DISCUSSION, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO, TO DO THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE, UH, LATER ACTION. WONDERFUL. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? ALRIGHT. YES. UH, NO. I WILL JUST SAY I THINK YOU, YOU DID A GOOD JOB IN THE LANGUAGE, UM, AT CAPTURING THE ISSUE AROUND, UM, COMMITTEES AND WHATNOT. SO I THINK THAT THAT CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED THAT NIGHT, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THAT NIGHT. SO IT LOOKS GOOD. THANK YOU. FULLY AGREE. ALRIGHT, WE'LL [6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PARKS AND RECREATION NEEDS FOR CONSIDERATION IN A 2026 BOND PROGRAM] MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PARKS AND RECREATION NEEDS FOR CONSIDERATION IN A 2026 BOND PROGRAM. MR. MCELROY, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, VAN FALU IS HERE, AS WELL AS, UH, JOINED BY, UH, SEAN AND, AND SPENCER. UM, TONIGHT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO FOR YOU IS, UH, UH, HAVE OUR, UM, INITIAL DISCUSSION AROUND THE PARKS PROPOSITION. AS YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S SEVERAL, UH, DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO THIS THAT VIN WILL COVER, INCLUDING AQUATICS. UM, WE'LL FOLLOW A VERY SIMILAR FORMAT AS, AS LAST WEEK, UH, WHEN WE TACKLE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY. WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE CRITERIA AND THE PLANNING WORK THAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN COMPLETED AND HOW WE HAVE UTILIZED THAT TO, UH, BRING YOU, UH, PROJECTS IN THESE DIFFERENT REALMS TONIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL CONCLUDE WITH A CHART THAT'LL LOOK, UH, A GRAPHIC THAT'LL LOOK SIMILAR TO THE FINAL SLIDE AND THE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY CATEGORY WHERE WE PROVIDE, UH, SEVERAL, UH, DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS PROPOSITION SCENARIOS WITH, UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED UNDER THOSE VARIOUS, UH, SCENARIOS. SO YVONNE, THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS BRIEFING TOGETHER, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MAGNER FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. AND MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION THROUGH THIS BOND PROCESS. I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT TO BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD TO YOU TODAY WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION PROPOSED BOND CANDIDATE PROJECTS. UM, AS A QUICK OVERVIEW, I DO WANNA SHARE THAT WHAT I WILL COVER TONIGHT, UM, AS DON MENTIONED, IS WE WILL GO THROUGH OUR PREVIOUS BOND PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST THREE BOND CYCLES. WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS THE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK IN PRIORITIZING OUR EFFORTS THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD, AS WELL AS WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE BOND PROJECT CANDIDATES AND THEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS. [00:40:03] SO THIS CHART BREAKS DOWN, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE CHART THAT YOU SAW IN OCTOBER, UH, BUT THIS CHART BREAKS DOWN THE THREE PREVIOUS BOND CYCLES. SO AS YOU CAN TELL IN 2010, WE HAD A VERY ROBUST BOND CYCLE OR BOND PROJECT, UM, THAT INCLUDED THE HEIGHTS RECREATION CENTER, THE HEIGHTS FAMILY AQUATIC, UH, FACILITY, THE GYMNASTICS CENTER, TWO PARKS, UM, SOME TRAILS PLAYGROUNDS AND OTHER PARK AMENITIES. AND THEN IN 2015 WITH A $7.2 MILLION PROJECT THAT INCLUDED THE SENIOR CENTER RENOVATION AS WELL AS THE POOL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD POOL, BATHHOUSE RENOVATIONS, AND THEN OUR PLAYGROUNDS AND SOME ADDITIONAL TRAILS. AND THEN THIS PREVIOUS YEAR OR PREVIOUS BOND PROJECT 2021 WAS A $7.5 MILLION, UH, PACKAGE. AND THAT INCLUDED EIGHT PLAYGROUNDS AND TWO PARKS, THE TWIN RIVERS PARK AND APOLLO PARK, PHASE ONE. SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THIS MAP. THIS MAP SHOWS YOU OUR COMPLETED PROJECTS FROM 2021 AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE, THOSE ARE THE REPRESENTED BY THE PURPLE DOTS. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I HAVE THE 2026 BOND PROJECTS, UH, PROPOSED CANDIDATES ON THIS, THIS CHART, JUST TO SHOW YOU TRULY THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE AREAS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO COVER. UH, FOR THE 2026 PROJECTS, I DO HAVE THOSE BROKE DOWN BY COLOR CODE FOR AQUATICS, PLAYGROUNDS, AND THEN PARK DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER PROJECTS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS OUR ABILITY TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT'S BEEN COMPLETED AND MOVE FORWARD TO WHAT WE HOPE TO, UM, COMPLETE IN THE FUTURE. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR PROJECTS AND WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT WERE NEEDS, WE REALLY LEANED INTO THE FACT THAT WE HAD OUR CO, I'M SORRY, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION OPEN SPACE, UH, MASTER PLAN PROJECT THAT WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY, 2023. AS YOU RECALL, WITH THAT MASTER PLAN, THERE WERE 25 ITEMS IDENTIFIED BY THE COMMUNITY AS PRIORITY NEEDS. WE LOOKED AT THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS. SO AGAIN, THAT WAS BROKEN DOWN TO HIGH PRIORITY, MEDIUM PRIORITY, AND LOW PRIORITY. WE FOCUSED IN ON THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS FROM THAT MASTER PLAN. IN ADDITION, WE HAD OUR AQUATIC MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS DEVELOPED IN JANUARY AND I SHOULD SAY APPROVED IN JANUARY OF 2025. THERE WAS AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN INVOLVED IN THAT MASTER PLAN, SO WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. ADDITIONALLY, AS YOU UH, RECALL, SEAN ROGERS COMES IN JULY AND PRESENTS EVERY YEAR WITH A DEEP DIVE FOR OUR OUR PARKS MAINTENANCE. UM, AND SO PART OF THAT HE SHARES OUR ANNUAL PARKS ASSET ASSESSMENT PLAN. THAT IS AN ANNUAL PROJECT THAT WE DO TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ITEMS THAT NEED REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENT. AND SO WE SCORE THOSE AND BASED ON THOSE SCORES, WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR IMPROVEMENT. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT HAVE A VERY MINIMAL FINANCIAL IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET. SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS PART OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION ANNUAL BUDGET LETTER, UM, THEY LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT BOND PROJECTS THAT WE RECOMMENDED AND THEY RANKED THOSE PROJECTS AND THAT WAS SHARED WITH YOU IN THAT APRIL PROCESS. AND THEN LASTLY, SOMETHING THAT MY TEAM AND I DO IS, AS A, A CITIZEN CALLS US WITH NEEDS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PARKS, WE TAKE A LOG OF THOSE NEEDS AND WE REFERENCE BACK TO THAT WHEN WE WERE SITTING DOWN LOOKING AT OUR PROJECTS THAT WE WANT IT TO PRESENT. SO WE'RE TAKING THAT CITIZEN FEEDBACK AND INCLUDING IT IN WHAT OUR, OUR PROJECTS ARE. SO I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, JUST AS A REMINDER, THE PARKS AND RECREATION OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, THE TOP EIGHT ITEMS FROM THAT MASTER PLAN ARE THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST ITEMS NUMBER THREE, FOUR, AND EIGHT ARE ALL RELATED TO AQUATICS. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER SIX, THAT IS ADDITIONAL INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND ELEMENT. SO THOSE ARE AREAS THAT WE FELT LIKE WERE VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL AS AREAS THAT ARE A CONTINUAL NEED FOR US. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE THAT WAS PLACED IN THIS MASTER PLAN. UM, IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH SHORT TERM, MEDIUM TERM, AND LONG-TERM PROJECTS TO BE CONSIDERED. RIGHT NOW, AS A REMINDER, WE ARE DOING THE SHORT TERM PRIORITY ITEMS CURRENTLY FOR HEIGHTS RECREATION, OR, I'M SORRY, HEIGHTS FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER. SO WE ARE STARTING THAT AQUATIC, UH, RENOVATION PROCESS WITH COMPLETION DATE OF MAY OF 2026. SO JUST IN TIME FOR THE NEW SEASON. SO FOCUSING ON THE MEDIUM TERM PRIORITIES, CONSIDERING WE HAD THREE [00:45:01] OPTIONS PRESENTED, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT TODAY WILL BE THE COTTONWOOD UH, POOL, THE CANYON CREEK POOL, WHICH IS COVERED IN THREE OPTIONS. AND THEN THE BRECKENRIDGE, UM, AMENITY FEATURE, WHICH WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN TWO OF THESE OPTIONS. SO TO GO INTO OUR PROJECTS, WE'RE GONNA START WITH AQUATICS AND JUST DIVING RIGHT INTO IT. UM, WITH AQUATICS, THE CANYON CREEK POOL WAS ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES IN THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO THIS IS LOOKING AT A RENOVATION OF THIS POOL WITH AN AS IS RENOVATION. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE ARE NOT COMING IN WITH NEW PROGRAMMING, WE ARE REFRESHING WHAT'S THERE AND REPLACING MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. SO LOOKING AT THIS POOL DECK, REPAIRS ARE ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES AS WELL AS REPLACING THE CHILDREN'S POOL, REPLACING THE ENTIRE MECHANICAL SYSTEM AND THEN RESURFACING THE POOL. AND THEN NEXT WE'VE GOT THE COTTONWOOD PARK. THIS IS LOOKING AT THAT LOCATION OF REMOVING THE POOL AND CONSTRUCTING A BRAND NEW SPRAY GROUND. PART OF THE REASON BEHIND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR AQUATIC MASTER PLAN WAS THE DESIRE TO HAVE A LONGER SEASON. AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO OFFER THAT LONGER SEASON WITH OUR CURRENT AQUATIC AMENITIES. A SPRAY GROUND DOES ALLOW THAT OPPOR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD. IT ALSO REMOVES ANY BARRIERS FROM COST. UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND PART OF THE AQUATIC ELEMENTS FOR, FOR UM, CANDIDATES. AND SO NEXT WHAT I WANNA SHARE WITH YOU IS THE COST AND THE BREAKDOWN OF THIS. AND BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THIS, I WANT TO JUST EXPLAIN, AS YOU HEARD LAST WEEK WITH THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY PLAN, WE HAVE DEVELOPED AN EX ES ESCALATION COST FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, LOOKING AT A 5% INCREASED ESCALATION COST FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT. SO THE CAN, THE COTTONWOOD SPRAY GROUND IS A $2.7 MILLION PROJECT. THE CANYON CREEK POOL RENOVATION IS A $2.3 MILLION PROJECT. AND THEN ESCALATION COST. SO ALTOGETHER IT COMES OUT TO BE JUST SLIGHTLY OVER $5.8 MILLION. AND THEN FROM THE FINANCIAL IMPACT SIDE, BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO PART OF A IMPACT WITH THESE TWO PROJECTS, UH, BASED ON WHAT OUR CONSULTANTS HAD SHARED WITH US, THERE WILL NOT BE AN IMPACT ON THE CANYON CREEK OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, NOR WILL THERE THERE BE AN IMPACT ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF IT. SO WE FEEL LIKE THOSE WILL BE, UH, THE SAME AS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN. HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AT COTTONWOOD, THERE WILL BE A VARIANCE IN THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. SO WE WILL HAVE A SAVINGS OF ALMOST $76,000 PER YEAR IN THE OPERATIONAL COST. WE WILL ALSO HAVE A REDUCTION IN REVENUE OF $9,300. SO THAT WILL BRING US TO A TOTAL NET SAVINGS OF $66,000 PER YEAR WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TWO FACILITIES. SO AN ADDITIONAL AQUATIC CANDIDATE FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE SPRAY GROUND AT BRECKENRIDGE, UH, COMPLEX B UH, PARK. AND WITH THIS, AS OUR CONSULTANT HAD RECOMMENDED, IT WOULD BE A SPRAY GROUND AND A RESTROOM AT COMPLEX B. SO WE WERE GIVEN THE PRICING FOR THAT AT 3.5 MILLION. BUT AS STAFF, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH AND WE REEVALUATED THAT, WE REALLY TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT THAT PARKING LOT. AND THE REALITY IS THAT PARKING LOT IS NOT VERY EFFICIENT. UM, IT DOES NOT CREATE THAT EASE OF USE AND THINKING ABOUT THE AUDIENCE THAT'S GONNA COME FOR A SPRAY GROUND, WE REALLY WANT IT TO TACKLE THAT PARKING LOT AS WELL TO MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR THE END USER AND SAFER FOR THEM. SO INTERNALLY, WE DEVELOPED THE PRICE FOR A PARKING LOT RENOVATION OF 1.3, UH, MILLION DOLLARS. AND THEN WITH THE ESCALATION COST, THE BRECKENRIDGE SPRAY GROUND PROJECT WOULD COME OUT TO BE A $5.6 MILLION PROJECT. AND THEN FROM THE STANDPOINT OF FINANCIAL IMPACT, THERE IS GONNA BE A $25,000 PER YEAR OPERATIONAL COST BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT OUR CONSULTANT PROVIDED TO US. AND AGAIN, THERE IS NO REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SPRAY GROUND BECAUSE THESE ARE, UH, FREE AMENITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE. OKAY, SO MOVING ON TO OUR PLAYGROUND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. UM, THIS MAP WILL SHOW YOU THE DISTRIBUTION OF ALL THE PLAYGROUNDS A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER THAN THE FIRST MAP, UH, MAP THAT I SHARED WITH YOU BECAUSE IT IS STRICTLY JUST THE PLAYGROUND. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE ARE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. I DO WANNA SHARE THOUGH, WHEN WE LOOK AT PLAYGROUNDS, THE REALITY IS A PLAYGROUND HAS A LIFE CYCLE. SO 15 TO 20 YEARS IS GENERALLY THAT LIFESPAN. UM, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR PLAYGROUNDS, WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW OLD ARE THE CURRENT PLAYGROUNDS THAT NEED TO ARE IN OUR SYSTEM AND POTENTIALLY NEED TO BE REPLACED. WE ALSO LOOK AT SEVERAL OTHER FACTORS WHEN WE'RE DETERMINING [00:50:01] WHICH PLAYGROUNDS WE'RE GONNA ADD TO THIS LIST. SO WE LOOK AT THE ASSET SCORES FROM OUR STAFF, ANNUAL ASSET ASSESSMENT, WE LOOK AT SAFETY INSPECTION REPORTS THAT ARE DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WE ALSO LOOK AT PART REPLACEMENT AVAILABILITY. SO THIS IS A REAL ISSUE. THE OLDER THESE PLAYGROUNDS GET, THE HARDER IT IS TO REPLACE THE PARTS. THEY BECOME OBSOLETE. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH A, A PLAYGROUND THAT POTENTIALLY IF SOMETHING FAILS ON IT, IT BECOMES AN ISSUE. AND, AND THAT'S UNSIGHTLY. UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS PLAYGROUNDS RECEIVE SUCH HEAVY USE AND THERE ARE VERY HIGH STANDARDS AND STRICT STANDARDS THAT FOLLOW ALONG WITH THESE PLAYGROUNDS BECAUSE IT IS TRULY A SAFETY ISSUE FOR OUR CHILDREN. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MONITORING THESE VERY CLOSELY AND WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THOSE STANDARDS. UM, AND GIVEN THE TIMEFRAME OF WHEN YOU REPLACE THESE, THE OLDER THEY GET, THE LESS THE PLAY VALUE IS THERE BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE, EQUIPMENT CHANGES, AND BASICALLY OUR OUR CHILDREN, THEIR PLAY ENVIRONMENT AND THAT NEED FOR THAT DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE DOES CHANGE ALONG WITH IT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP UP WITH THAT AS WELL. SO LOOKING AT THIS, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A COST FOR EACH PLAYGROUND INCLUDED IN THIS AS A CONTINGENCY AND OUR ESCALATION FEES OR ESTIMATED ESCALATION COST. SO THIS COMES OUT TO BE A $5.7 MILLION PROJECT. NOW MOVING ON TO APOLLO PARK. UM, AS I SHARED WITH YOU IN 2021, WE DID THE PHASE ONE OF APOLLO PARK. WE ARE NOW PROPOSING TO YOU PHASE TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. THESE PHASES DO NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER. UM, SO THE WAY I'M GONNA SHARE THIS WITH YOU ARE STANDALONE PRICING ELEMENTS FOR EACH, EACH AREA. AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THE COLORS THAT ARE ARE STILL VIBRANT, NOT MUTED OUT. THAT IS WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL IMPACT. SO JUST AS A REMINDER FOR APOLLO PARK PHASE ONE, WE ACTIVATED THAT SPACE BY CREATING A PARKING LOT LIGHTING. UM, WE GRADED THE ENTIRE FIELD AREA AND THEN WE ADDED IRRIGATION AND TURF SO WE COULD HAVE A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD FOR THAT SPACE. SO NOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WITH THIS PHASE TWO, WE WOULD COME IN WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, ADDING A RESTROOM, SPORTS LIGHTS, A PERIMETER FENCE TO THIS AREA, AS WELL AS ATHLETIC FIELDS, SPORTS FURNISHING, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION. SO THE COST OF THIS PROJECT WOULD COME OUT TO BE A $7.4 MILLION PROJECT. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE ADDITIONAL PHASE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE. AND I I SHOULD POINT OUT, I'M SORRY THAT I MISSED THIS. UM, WHEN WE DEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY, OUR CONSULTANT WENT THROUGH AND DID A MASTER PLAN OF THE SPACE. THEY ACTUALLY DEVELOPED IT TO WHERE WE COULD IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME AND THEN THEY BROKE IT OUT INTO FIVE DIFFERENT PHASES. SO LIKE I MENTIONED, WE FINISHED PHASE, PHASE ONE TONIGHT, I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. THERE'S ALSO A FIFTH PHASE THAT CAN COME IN FUTURE YEARS, BUT FOR PHASE THREE, THIS WOULD INCLUDE MORE ADDITIONAL PARKING GATEWAY MONUMENT. SO BASICALLY A, A PARKED MONUMENT SIGN AND A TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS ACCESS TO DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF THE PARK, UH, A PICNIC AREA, A PAVILION, A PLAYGROUND, ARTIFICIAL TURF FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. AND THEN A CONCESSION, A TRAILER AREA, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD ALLOW FOOD TRUCK ACCESS TO PLUG IN FOR LARGER EVENTS OR TOURNAMENTS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY HOLD. AND THEN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION. AND SO WITH THE ESCALATION FEES FOR THIS PHASE, UM, AND THE TOTAL PROJECT WOULD COME OUT TO BE $5.8 MILLION. AND THEN THE FINAL PHASE, PHASE FOUR, THIS ONE IS THE SMALLEST, UM, COST FOR ALL OF THE PHASES THAT WE HAVE. BUT THIS WOULD BE DEVELOPING AN EXTERIOR TRAIL AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. UM, IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION ALONG THAT TRAIL AREA. AND WITH ESCALATION COSTS, THIS COMES OUT TO BE JUST SLIGHTLY UNDER $1.5 MILLION. NOW AGAIN, EACH OF THESE DO NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER. SO WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE PHASE TWO AND MIX IT WITH PHASE FOUR. IT WOULD BE BEST TO TO DO IT IN ORDER. BUT THE OTHER SIDE THAT I WANNA POINT OUT, YOU'LL NOTICE IN EACH BUDGET THERE'S A MOBILIZATION AND GENERAL SITE, UM, LINE ITEM. FOR, FOR EACH OF THESE PHASES, WE DID GO THROUGH AND DIVIDE THOSE OUT BY PHASE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE TOTAL COST FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE. THERE'S NOT A COST SAVINGS ASSOCIATED BY COMBINING, UM, PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE TOGETHER. [00:55:02] OKAY, NEXT IS THE GALLATIN PLAZA FOUNTAIN. UH, WE HAVE INCLUDED THIS ITEM ON THIS BOND PROJECT PRIMARILY DUE TO THE AGE AND THE CONDITION OF THE FOUNTAIN ITSELF. SO JUST AS SOME HISTORY, THE FOUNTAIN WAS DEVELOPED IN 2003 AND IT WAS USING A PROPRIETARY DESIGN AND PROPRIETARY EQUIPMENT, UH, FROM A COMPANY THAT'S BASED IN CALIFORNIA. THIS FOUNTAIN IS EXTREMELY UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT IT'S GOT SEVEN 70 PROGRAMMABLE MICROS SHOOTERS. THESE MICROS SHOOTERS ARE ACTUALLY PROPELLING WATER WITH AIR, SO THEY'RE VERY UNIQUE TO THIS FOUNTAIN. UM, AND SO WITH THIS PROJECT DURING THE TIME OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOCAL APARTMENTS, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS FOUNTAIN IS IT WAS SHUT DOWN. HOWEVER, OUR STAFF WAS GOING THROUGH, TURNING IT ON, RUNNING THE SYSTEM, MAKING SURE THINGS WERE STILL WORKING WELL THROUGH THE PROJECT. WE LOST POWER TO THIS AREA AND EVENTUALLY WE LOST THE WIFI SYSTEM. WELL, ANYTIME YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S SITTING UNUSED, UNTOUCHED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SYSTEMS THAT WEAR DOWN. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND. SO WHEN WE TURNED EVERYTHING BACK ON, WE HAD THE POWER, WE HAD THE WIFI, WE REALIZED THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, MECHANICAL SYSTEM FAILURES AS WELL AS ERRORS WITHIN THE SOFTWARE. WE BROUGHT THE COMPANY OUT MULTIPLE TIMES TO REPAIR. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED, WE WOULD FIX ONE PROBLEM TO FIND ANOTHER PROBLEM. AND SO RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS FOUNTAIN. WE HAD THE COMPANY COME OUT JUST LAST WEEK TO GIVE A FULL ASSESSMENT. UH, WE ARE WAITING ON THAT REPORT TO COME BACK. WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT IT WILL COME BACK THE END OF THIS WEEK OR THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK. UH, BUT CURRENTLY THE FOUNTAIN IS INOPERABLE UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THOSE THOSE NEEDS ARE. UM, SO BASED ON THAT AND NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA COME BACK FROM THAT PROJECT OR THOSE ESTIMATES, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE THIS FOUNTAIN REPLACED OR RENOVATED POSSIBLY, UM, RECONSTRUCTED SO WE CAN HAVE A NEWER FUNCTION TO IT. UM, AND THOSE ESTIMATED COSTS WITH, UM, ESCALATION WOULD COME OUT TO BE 5.2 MILLION. SO OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS, I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL AND PICKLEBALL IN GENERAL. SO PICKLEBALL IS A GROWING SPORT. UM, IT'S EXTREMELY POPULAR, BUT IT IS EXPANDING THE REACH. SO IT IS NOW REALLY HITTING THAT JUNIOR HIGH MARKET ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR, OUR OLDER ADULTS. AND WE HAVE SEEN IT EXPLODE ACROSS THE, THE TREND ACROSS OUR INDUSTRY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR. AND AS A CITY WE DO OFFER INDOOR PICKLEBALL AT TWO OF OUR LOCATIONS. UM, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW HOURS OF OPERATION FOR PICKLEBALL, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. WE ALSO HAVE TWO HYBRID OUTDOOR COURTS. UH, THOSE COURTS DO GET PLENTY OF USE, BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY SEEING IS THERE'S A NEED FOR DEDICATED PICKLEBALL. AND I DO WANNA SHARE WITH YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS REALLY BEEN CAUTIOUS ON, AND THIS STARTED WITH OUR PREVIOUS DIRECTOR AS WELL, IS ANALYZING WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE LEARNED FROM IMPLEMENTING PICKLEBALL. SO PICKLEBALL IS IS NOT A QUIET SPORT. THERE IS A LOT OF NOISE THAT COMES WITH IT. AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUR INDUSTRY IS THE BEST PRACTICE IS TO BE WITHIN, UM, I'M SORRY, TO BE 500 FEET OR MORE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO AVOID THE COMPLAINTS OF THE NOISE VOLUME. IF YOU DO HAVE IT IN LESS OF A DISTANCE, THERE ARE A LOT OF MITIGATING, MITIGATING NOISE, MITIGATING FACTORS THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. SO AS WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING IN OUR SYSTEM, UTDS PROPERTY WHERE WE HAVE POINT NORTH, UM, PARK LOCATED, THAT IS ONE OF THE BEST LOCATIONS FOR PICKLEBALL AS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED. UM, ESSENTIALLY FROM THE, THE ENTRANCE OF THE FENCE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS TO THE CLOSEST HOUSE, IT'S OVER 500 FEET. SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE A SAFE LOCATION, HAVE IT, AND NOT HAVE NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT COME BACK ON US. UM, SO WITH THIS INTERNALLY, OUR STAFF DEVELOPED THIS PROJECT. UH, THEY DESIGNED IT AND IT INCLUDES FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS, A FENCED AND SCREENED AREA WITH PICKLEBALL AMENITIES INSIDE THE FENCING AREA. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT INCLUDES SHADE AND LIGHTS. SO IT COULD BE USED YEAR ROUND AT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE INFLUX OF USAGE THAT WOULD OCCUR BY HAVING AN AN AMENITY LIKE THIS, WE ARE PROPOSING A EXPANSION ONTO THAT PARKING LOT. AND PART OF THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY THAT'S COMING TO POINT NORTH, WHETHER THEY'RE USING THE PAVILION, THE PLAYGROUND, THE CRICKET PITCH OR PICKLEBALL, THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING. [01:00:02] SO WITH THIS, THE INTERNAL COST THAT STAFF HAS DEVELOPED IS $1.6 MILLION. AND THEN OUR FINAL BOND CANDIDATE PROJECT THAT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT IS THE BRECKENRIDGE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE RIDGE. THIS PROJECT WAS PROPOSED AS PART OF THE 2021 BOND CANDIDATE PROJECTS. UM, AND THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED PRIOR TO THAT TIME BY STUDIO OUTSIDE BARKER RINER, CCAT. UM, THEY ACTUALLY CAME IN AND DEVELOPED MULTIPLE PROJECTS AT BRECKENRIDGE PARK. SO WE HAVE EXTRACTED THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. UM, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN REQUESTS FOR IT. WE KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE. UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS LOOKING AT IS DEVELOPING THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. IT WOULD HAVE THE BRIDGE ABATEMENTS OR ABUTMENTS. UM, IT WOULD ALSO HAVE A TRAIL TAKING IT FROM THE BRIDGE TO CONNECT TO COMPLEX SEA TO THAT TRAIL SYSTEM, AND THEN A TRAIL FROM THE BRIDGE THAT WOULD GO TO BRECKENRIDGE BOULEVARD. AND THAT TRAIL WOULD BE A 0.27 MILE TRAIL. I'LL SHARE ANOTHER PICTURE WITH YOU OF THAT PATH FOR THAT TRAIL. BUT BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHIC OR THE AREA OF THIS PARK, UM, THAT TRAIL DOES NEED TO HAVE AN EXTENSION TO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A DA ACCESSIBLE. UM, WITH THAT, THERE WOULD BE A RETAINING WALL AS PART OF THAT TRAIL TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT CREATE A EROSION ISSUE ALONG WITH IT. THE BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT IS IT WOULD ALLOW THAT CONNECTION FROM THE WEST AND EAST SIDE OF THE PARK, SO IT WOULD ENHANCE USERS, UM, ACCESS TO OUR ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM AT BRECKENRIDGE. AND THE PRELIMINARY COST FOR THIS PROJECT IS, UH, SLIGHTLY UNDER $5 MILLION. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU HERE, PLEASE DO NOT LOOK AT THAT YELLOW, UH, TRAIL THAT WAS PART OF AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT IN THE SYSTEM. UH, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY IS JUST THE RED ARROW TRAIL. SO THAT TAKES YOU FROM BRECKENRIDGE BOULEVARD DOWN THROUGH THE AREA TO THE BRIDGE AND THEN CROSSING INTO, UH, THE C COMPLEX. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR CANDIDATE PROJECTS. PROJECTS. EXCUSE ME. UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE BLOCKING EXERCISE THAT ALL OF YOU DID ON OCTOBER 6TH OF LOOKING AT 20 TO $30 MILLION, UH, FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, I WANTED TO SHARE THIS SLIDE. UM, SO THE $20 MILLION LEVEL OF PROJECTS ARE THE ONES IN GREEN, AND THAT WOULD LOOK AT THE COTTONWOOD POOL REMOVAL AND ADDITION OF A SPRAY GROUND, THE CANYON CREEK POOL RENOVATION, AS WELL AS THE 10 PLAYGROUNDS AND THE APOLLO PARK PHASE TWO PROJECT. IF WE WERE TO EXTEND THAT TO THE $30 MILLION, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE ONES I JUST MENTIONED, AS WELL AS THE BRECKENRIDGE COMPLEX, UM, SPRAY GROUND, RESTROOM AND PARKING LOT. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THE GALLATIN PLAZA FOUNTAIN. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T FUND EVERYTHING, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TO FUND THE APOLLO PARK THREE OR FOUR, UH, THE BRECKENRIDGE BRIDGE AS WELL AS THE OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT I AM HOPING FOR FROM YOU IS FEEDBACK, UM, TO HELP US REFINE WHAT OUR PROJECT LISTING IS. SO I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY QUESTIONS AS WELL. I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT I AM ONE OF MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS PRESENTING, SO OTHER DEPARTMENTS WILL BE PRESENTING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. UM, AND COUNSEL WILL HAVE TO TAKE ALL OF THESE FACTORS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH AND REFINING EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO CALL A BOND ELECTION IN FEBRUARY. SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, SINCE PARKS IS HIS WORLD. OH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S EVERYONE'S WORLD, BUT WELL, I HAPPEN TO BE LIAISON. YOU'RE THE LIAISON. IT'S, NO, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL START ON THAT NOTE BY JUST SAYING THAT THE, THE PARKS COMMISSION HAS DONE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB OF HELPING TO PRIORITIZE ALL OF THIS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THESE SUGGESTIONS THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND YVONNE ARE BRINGING BEFORE US ARE ALSO BACKED BY THAT COMMISSION AS WELL. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A LONG PROCESS THAT THEY USE TO RANK ALL OF THIS AND, AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. WITH THAT SAID, I DO HAVE, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. UM, I TRY NOT TO ASK A TON OF QUESTIONS DURING THE COMMISSION MEETINGS THEMSELVES. SO THE FIRST ONE, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDES ON, UM, THE APOLLO PARK PHASES, THE PHASE TWO SLIDE, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I WANNA CLARIFY WHAT WAS WORKED ON IN PHASE ONE. AND SO IN PHASE ONE THERE'S THAT LITTLE IN THE BOTTOM [01:05:01] LEFT CUT OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, THE LITTLE GRAY OUT RECTANGLE, THAT'S THE PARKING LOT THAT WAS PUT IN, CORRECT. IN PHASE ONE. AND THE TURF IS IMMEDIATELY BELOW THAT. THE GREEN, THERE IT IS. OKAY. AND THAT ENTIRE AREA WAS GRADED, BUT THE TURF, IT'S MORE IN THE CENTER OF THAT, UM, MUTED AREA THAT HAS BEEN REALLY MAINTAINED FOR THAT MULTIPURPOSE USAGE. I REMEMBER WE DROVE BY THERE FOR ONE OF THE FIELD TRIPS. YES. BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY GET OUT AND WALK AROUND THE WHOLE PLACE SO THAT, THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND WHAT PHASE ONE WAS. OKAY. THAT WAS QUESTION ONE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MY, MY QUESTION TWO, REALLY AS FAR AS BOND STRATEGY GOES FOR PARKS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PLAYGROUNDS HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES TAKE UP A LARGE AMOUNT OF, IF WE WERE TO FUND 19.1 MILLION, A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE NEXT BOND PACKAGE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT THAT WE'RE LEAVING ON THE TABLE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO GET TO AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? AND SO JUST TRYING TO THINK AHEAD OF, YOU KNOW, DO WE, DO WE FLEX AND DO THE 30 MILLION OR THE 19.1 MILLION WILL IF IN OUR NEXT BOND PACKAGE? I MEAN, WOULD YOU IMAGINE THAT THERE'S A SIMILAR SIZE LIST OF PLAYGROUNDS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REFRESHED? AGAIN? I THINK THAT LIST MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY REDUCED. OKAY. UM, THIS, AS YOU CAN TELL, THAT RANGE FROM 2005 TO 2015. UM, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW THE 2005 PROJECTS ARE 15 YEARS OLD MM-HMM . BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY GET THIS MOVING, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS FOR, FOR SOME OF THESE, RIGHT. SO, UM, WE HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING THE PROJECTS, THE, THE PLAYGROUNDS TO BE INSTALLED, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN. SO THAT HAS HELPED US TO GET TO A POINT THAT WE ARE GETTING THAT 15 TO 20 YEAR LIFE CYCLE. HOWEVER, WE WILL STILL BE APPROACHING THOSE LIFE CYCLES WITH OTHER PLAYGROUNDS. SO SEAN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS WITH US, OF HOW MANY FOR THE NEXT CYCLE WE'LL ACTUALLY BE HITTING THAT MARK, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL BE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, SO I APOLOGIZE WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. NO, I MEAN THAT'S, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IS IF WE GO WITH THE LOWER NUMBER ON THIS CYCLE. I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA BE STUCK IN THE SUBSEQUENT BOND CYCLE, JUST KIND OF IN THE SAME LOOP OF SPENDING A LOT OF THE BOND MONEY, REFRESHING PLAYGROUNDS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE ON THE LIST TO DO. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHERE I, THAT'S WHERE MY MIND IS GOING WITH THIS MAYOR. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WANT TO KEY IN ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. CAN YOU GO TO, I THINK IT'S YOUR SECOND, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MY INFORMATION IS CORRECT ON, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO I THINK IT WAS, I'M JUST LOOKING HERE REALLY QUICK. I'M SORRY. IT'S YOUR SLIDE THREE. THERE WE GO. UM, IN 2010 WE DID THE BRECKENRIDGE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S THE BRIDGE THAT'S BASICALLY CONNECTS THE KIND OF THE GREEN AREA RIGHT OFF OF BRECKENRIDGE BOULEVARD AND IT GOES OVER AND BASICALLY IT GOES NOWHERE. UM, ONCE YOU GET ACROSS YOU, YOU HIT BASICALLY JUST A WILD GREEN AREA AGAIN. AM I, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YES. IT LEADS INTO THE SOFT PATH, WHICH I BELIEVE COMES OUT ON BECK. YEAH. YES. AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, WAS WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN 2010 WAS THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST BRIDGE THAT WOULD BE DONE. AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THERE WOULD BE THE BRIDGE THAT YOU'RE NOW PROPOSING IN 2025 SO THAT THE EAST WOULD CONNECT AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET TO BRE TO BRECKENRIDGE PARK. SO I STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN. IT'S ALREADY BEEN 15 YEARS. THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT WAS PUT IN IN 2010 IS GONNA BASICALLY BE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK AND SAYING, WELL, IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 2010 AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SO, SO WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN 2010? WE'VE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER MOVED FORWARD WITH. AND SO I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA. NOW, IF YOU COULD GO TO YOUR LAST PAGE, YOUR SUMMATION PAGE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. UH, BABU, WE'RE ALMOST THERE. I KNOW YOU ARE A LOT OF SLIDES. SO I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH APOLLO PARK WHEN THERE ARE OTHER PARKS IN THAT AREA, AND WE'RE GONNA PUSH DOWN THE ROAD AFTER WE'VE ALREADY PUSHED IT FOR 15 YEARS, THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO, UM, TACKLE SOMETHING THAT BACK IN 2010 WAS DISCUSSED. I WON'T USE THE WORDS PROMISE 'CAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY NO SUCH THING, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY CONTEMPLATED THAT THAT WOULD ALL BE TIED TOGETHER. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THE TRAILS, UH, TRAIL CONNECTIONS ARE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, [01:10:01] AND YET WE'RE KICKING KICKING IT DOWN BELOW THE, INTO THE UNFUNDED AND WE'RE KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER FIVE, SIX YEARS. SO I'D REALLY REALLY, I, I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE, I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP AND I'D REALLY ASK BEFORE WE FUND APOLLO PARK PHASE TWO, IF WE WOULD PRIORITIZE THIS BRECKENRIDGE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED SINCE 2010. UM, AND, AND BRING IT UP AND DROP APOLLO PARK DOWN. BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER PARKS IN AND AROUND THAT APOLLO AREA THAT CAN MORE THAN HANDLE WHAT I THINK DOWN THE ROAD APOLLO PARK MAY NEED TO HANDLE. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT FOR YEARS IT'S JUST BEEN, WELL, WE'LL GET TO BRECKENRIDGE LATER, WE'LL GET TO BRECKEN LIT RIDGE LATER. AND IT'S, I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN AROUND THAT AREA, THERE'S NO CONNECTIVITY. YOU CAN'T GET TO THE PARK UNLESS YOU THEN GET INTO A CAR AND DRIVE. AND WE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT WALKABILITY, BIKEABILITY, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE JUST KICKED IT DOWN THE ROAD LONG ENOUGH. AND SO I'D LIKE TO STRONGLY REQUEST, AND I DON'T THINK I'VE USED THAT WORD WHEN I'VE USED THE REQUEST BEFORE, THAT WE MOVE THAT UP AND, AND IF, IF NECESSARY, MOVE APOLLO PARK DOWN. AND I REALIZE I'M, I'M ONE OF SEVEN, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE KICKED THAT DOWN AND WE'VE TAKEN PHASE ONE ON APOLLO PARK AND IT'S THERE AND IT'S UP AND IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONAL NOW, BUT BEFORE WE GO IN AND DO ALL THE PHASE TWO STUFF, I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE, WE STARTED SOMETHING 15 YEARS AGO AND WE'VE NEVER MOVED IT FORWARD. SO THAT, THAT'S MY, MY ASK AND MY, MY REQUEST AS FAR AS THE PRIORITIZATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, YOU'RE TWO OF SEVEN THERE. UM, KEN, I THINK I, I AGREE. OH, OKAY. YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, UM, I, I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD BE HELPFUL ON TO SORT OF REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, WE'VE PRIORITIZED APOLLO PARK PHASE TWO VERSUS, UM, EITHER, YOU KNOW, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD OUT THERE AS WELL. TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, I AGREE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN ARE WE EVER GONNA DEVELOP SOMETHING OUT THERE? AND, UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD PUSH REALLY STRONGLY TO MOVE THE BRIDGE AND OR THE, THE SPLASH, UH, THE SPLASH, THE SPRAY GROUND, EXCUSE ME UP, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALMOST GET THERE FROM AN EXPENSE STANDPOINT IF WE MOVE APOLLO PARK DOWN. UM, SO CAN YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THERE, THERE'S A NEED TO ADVANCE OR OR DESIRE TO ADVANCE APOLLO PARK OVER SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS? YEAH, SO WITH APOLLO PARK, THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOCCER FIELDS THAT ARE USABLE AND WELL CARED FOR. NICER, ACTUALLY MAINTAINABLE BY OUR STAFF. WHAT WE HAVE AT BRECKENRIDGE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE LANDFILL, ARE VERY CHALLENGING TO MAINTAIN. AND WE DO HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT. BUT WE ALSO SEE OTHER SPORTS THAT ARE COMING IN. IF WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE SOME OF OUR SOCCER PLAY TO APOLLO PARK, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO OPEN BRECKENRIDGE UP FOR SOME OTHER DIFFERENT SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND KIND OF ADJUST THE PLAY FEATURES FOR WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT. AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE SEEING A HUGE DEMAND FOR VARIOUS OTHER SPORTS AND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEEDS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T ACCOMMODATE 'EM, THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAPPEN AND THEY'RE GONNA END UP DESTROYING SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THAT CARE FOR THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT WE OFFER NOW. AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS HAVE APOLLO, AND APOLLO, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ACTIVATED, IT'S VERY LIMITED IN THE USE BECAUSE IT IS JUST AN OPEN FIELD, ESSENTIALLY. IT'S BEEN A, A GRADED FIELD, SO IT IS SAFE TO USE, BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT WE CAN PROGRAM ON IT WITHOUT A FURTHER AMENITIES AND DEVELOPMENT TO IT. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THAT WE PLACED THAT HIGHER UP TO AT LEAST GET THAT BASIC PHASE SO WE COULD START ACTIVATING THE SPACE AND REALLY THINK SOME PRESSURE FROM OTHER LOCATIONS. YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, MY, MY GUT IS, I MEAN, YOU SORT OF HIT ON THE, THE POINT THERE THAT THAT'S, IT'S BEEN, PHASE ONE HAS BEEN DONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE USING IT. AND SO I THINK FOR PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, MY PREFERENCE, WE WOULD BE TO SORT OF MOVE THAT DOWN AND ACTIVATE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND THEN FOCUS ON ONE OR BOTH OF THESE BRECKENRIDGE PROJECTS. UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. I, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE PLAYGROUNDS FOR THE REASONS THAT, THAT YOU STATED. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY IN TOTAL WE HAVE IN THE CITY? HOW MANY PLAYGROUNDS? YEAH, I BELIEVE WE'RE AT 32. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. YEAH. SO WE'RE DOING 10 HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THAT ROTATION MAKES SENSE AND WE CAN'T REALLY SORT OF, UM, TAKE OUR FOOT OFF THE PEDAL ON, ON THAT. UM, SO I, I'M, I'M LARGELY OKAY WITH IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO REALLY REASSESS WHETHER OR NOT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE DOING PHASE TWO OF APOLLO PARK VERSUS, UM, ONE OR BOTH OF BRECKENRIDGE, UH, OKAY. PROJECTS. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MORPHINE. THANK YOU MR. MAHER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION AND, UM, WORK DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT, ALSO BY THE COMMISSION LED BY, OR LIAISON BY COUNCILMAN JOE . UH, YEAH, SOME OF THE QUESTION YOU ALREADY ANSWERED ABOUT [01:15:01] THE PHASING OF APPLE PARK, UH, 2, 3, 4, YOU DID MENTION FIVE THERE. SO WHAT'S FIVE? CAN YOU GIVE US SOME IDEA? YES. SO PHASE FIVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL GO BACK TO THAT MAP. SO PHASE FIVE IS THAT YELLOW, UH, LIGHT TAN AREA THAT IS ESSENTIALLY SAVE FOR WHATEVER WE DECIDE AS A COUNCIL AND A CITY. WE'LL GO INTO THAT SPACE. SO AS YOU RECALL, RECALL WITH THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN, THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT AN INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL OR JUST AN OUTDOOR POOL AT THAT LOCATION. SO THAT IS WHERE THAT IS KIND OF EARMARKED FOR, UNLESS THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED IN THAT LOCATION. BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE THAT PHASE FIVE. SO UNTIL WE ARE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, UM, AND WE DETERMINE WHAT THOSE NEEDS TRULY ARE, THAT AREA IS, IS JUST SECURED FOR FUTURE USE. THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. I MISSED THAT SOMEHOW. SO I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND NOW, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, PHASE FOUR, PHASE FIVE, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LOGISTICS THAT YOU WANTED TO MOVE SOME OF THE THINGS TO THIS ONE SO THAT OTHER LAND COULD BE OPENED UP, DO OTHER THINGS. SO I THINK THIS, I THINK THIS KIND OF THOUGHTFUL PROCESS IS REALLY GREAT. UH, UH, IT'S NOT PRESSURED BY ANY PROMISE OR SOMETHING. SO THIS, THIS LONG TERM, I THINK IF WE TAKE DECISION BASED ON PROFESSIONAL, UH, ADVICE AND PLANNING, THAT'S GONNA SOLVE THE CITY MUCH BETTER. UH, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, UH, PROMISING SOMETHING COMING UP, COMING UP THAT'S, UH, THAT SIDE IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS. UH, BUT ANYWAY, LET'S SEE HOW THE CONVERSATION GOES, UM, WITH THE COUNCIL. BUT, UH, WHY PHASE THREE COULD NOT BE DONE EARLY ON, UM, OR PHASE FOUR COULD NOT BE DONE. I MEAN, LOOKS LIKE PHASE FOUR, THIS SIDE OF THE TOWN, I MEAN, I SEE IS VERY CROWDED. UH, UH, IS SUPER CROWDED, UH, WITH PEOPLE EVERY DAY. UH, SO, UH, I THINK THIS AREA HAS BEEN USED A LOT. SO IF YOU ACTIVATE AND BRING MORE THINGS ON THIS, THIS IS GONNA GET CROWDED PRETTY SOON. UH, I HAVE NO DOUBT ON THAT. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING ANOTHER WALK AREA AND LET SOME OF THE TREE GROW EARLY ON MIGHT HELP, UH, I DON'T KNOW. IS SOMETHING THAT, HAVE YOU THOUGHT THAT WHY PHASE FOUR COULD NOT BE IMPLEMENTED EARLY ON? PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THE, THE MAIN FOCUS OF THIS LOCATION WAS REALLY TO BRING, ACTIVATE THOSE ATHLETIC FIELDS. SO IF YOU DEVELOPED OTHER AREAS BEFORE YOU DEVELOPED THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HARM GOING INTO THAT SPACE AND MAYBE CREATING SOME CONFLICT OF USE, UM, OR POTENTIALLY LIMIT HOW MUCH WE COULD CREATE BECAUSE THIS AREA WOULD HOLD FOUR FULL SIZE SOCCER FIELDS. YEAH, OF COURSE IF WE WENT WITH SMALLER FIELDS, THOSE, YOU KNOW, WOULD ADJUST AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FIELDS THAT WE COULD HAVE. UM, SO OUR CONSULTANTS RECOMMENDATION, BY PHASING IT THIS WAY, IT ALLOWS US THE ABILITY TO PUT THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF WHAT THIS LAND WOULD BE USED FOR. AND THEN YOU ADD THE NICER ELEMENTS, THE, THE PERKS IF YOU WILL, INTO IT AFTER THAT. IS IT, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING SOME TREES EARLY ON SO THAT YOU KNOW, IT TAKES TIME FOR THE TREE TO GROW? UH, SO IF YOU COULD PUT SOME OF THAT TREE WITH YOUR CONCEPT DESIGN OR MORE THAN CONCEPT DESIGN, SINCE YOU KNOW THAT WHAT MIGHT BE COMING, UH, BY THE TIME SOME, YOU KNOW, OTHER ELEMENTS HAPPEN THERE, THE TREE WILL ALREADY HAVE NICE LITTLE SHED. CORRECT. SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH THAT AS WELL, AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AND A GREAT OPTION. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU COME IN AND YOU'RE DISRUPTING THAT AREA, IF YOU'RE DISRUPTING IT AROUND TREES, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE YOU SEE THAT EXTERIOR TRAIL, IF WE WERE TO PUT TREES IN NOW AND THEN DIG OUT AROUND THAT AREA, WE COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE ROOT SYSTEM. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT IN OTHER AREAS. MEMORIAL PARK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE WENT IN AND WE DID SOME CONCRETE WORK AND SEVERAL YEARS LATER WE HAVE TREES THAT ARE NO LONGER HEALTHY AND AND NOT SUSTAINABLE. SO WE WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL OF WHATEVER WE PUT IN THERE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN A SPOT WHERE WE MIGHT BE COMING BACK DIGGING AROUND THOSE ROOTS, POTENTIALLY DAMAGING 'EM. AND THEN SEAN, AS OUR, OUR TREE EXPERT, SEAN, IS THERE ANY MORE TO ADD TO THAT? OKAY. NO, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. BUT ONE THING I THINK ALSO REMEMBER THAT IF YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME IMPROVEMENT AFTER YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME TREE PLANTED, TRY DESIGN AROUND SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG DOWN BECAUSE YOU ARE PUTTING NEW STUFF SO YOU CAN BASICALLY [01:20:01] REGRET AND DON'T HAVE TO DIG DOWN. SO I THINK THINK ABOUT THAT, LOOK FOR THOSE KIND OF OPTION FROM THE CONSULTANT, THOUGHTFUL DESIGN. UH, UH, NOW I HAVE QUESTION THAT, UH, THE GALLATIN PARK CONTENT THAT YOU HAVE, UH, NOW THIS 5.2 MILLION, UH, SO THAT'S COMPLETE REPLACEMENT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UM, IT WILL DEPEND, UM, BASED ON THE REPORT THAT COMES BACK FROM THE COMPANY, UM, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A REPAIR PROCESS. SO REPLACING PARTS OF IT, UM, THIS COST THAT WE DID PUT IN WAS FOR US REPLACING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, BUT GOING WITH A DIFFERENT COMPANY. UM, SO AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT COMES BACK FROM THAT REPORT AND FIND OUT WHAT THEIR STANCE IS ON THE LONGEVITY OF THIS ACTUAL FOUNTAIN. SO THIS FOUNTAIN IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, LIKE A SPRAY GROUND TYPE FEATURE. UM, IT IS DIFFERENT THAN THAT BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S DESIGNED. SO WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT REPORT TO COME BACK. WE DID PROPOSE THIS AS A COMPLETE REPLACE, BUT GOING THROUGH A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER, SO IT WOULD BE MORE UNIVERSAL PARTS. UM, BUT AGAIN, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK, WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING ALL OF THESE AGAIN. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. SO THE KEY WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR, THAT UNIVERSAL PARTS. YES, YES. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE ON THIS FUTURE. SO GOING WITH SOME SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIFIC IS VERY CHALLENGING. YES. UH, SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT OPTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU MAYOR IVAN, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, QUICK COMMENT. I, RIGHT NOW WAS JUST LOOKING AT A MAP OF BRECKENRIDGE, TRYING TO REMEMBER WHERE THAT ONE BRIDGE IS. 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, MAYOR PRO, TEMS, HUTCHIN WRITER AND COUNCILMAN JUSTICE'S CONCERNED. SO, UM, PERHAPS, UM, AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A MAP THAT QUITE SHOWS THIS, BUT I BELIEVE I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. BUT MY QUESTION REALLY IS A, A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, UM, ON APOLLO, ON PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS ARTIFICIAL TURF. PHASE TWO DOES NOT IS WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE ARTIFICIAL NOW WE DON'T, IT'S NOT OKAY. SO WE, OUR HOPE IS TO EVENTUALLY HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF AT AT LEAST ONE LOCATION. UM, BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET. APOLLO PHASE TWO, WE DID NOT PROPOSE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THIS PHASE. IF YOU WERE TO DO TWO AND THREE, WE WOULD DO THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. THERE WOULD BE A MINOR SAVINGS, UH, BY NOT HAVING TO DO ACTUAL TURF, REAL TURF VERSUS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. SO IT WOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER. ESSENTIALLY IT'S A MAINTENANCE SAVING. IT'S, IT IS A MAINTENANCE SAVING, BUT IT'S ALSO A PLAYABILITY. SO WHEN IT RAINS, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF CAN RECOVER FASTER AND PLAY CAN CONTINUE. VERSUS IF YOU HAVE A A, A GRASS FIELD, YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE PROTECTING IT BECAUSE IF THE SOIL IS WET, THAT AREA GETS MUDDY AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY DAMAGE THE TURF ARTIFICIAL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. I GUESS THAT WAS A LITTLE SURPRISING TO ME. UM, AND I AM SURE WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PAST, MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T REMEMBER, BUT THE, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS GREEN SPACE? WHEN YOU SAY PLAY FIELD, DOES THIS JUST FIELD OPEN TO ANYBODY? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME GUYS WANNA DO A PICKUP GAME OF SOCCER, WE CAN GO USE THIS FIELD. ARE WE MONETIZING THIS BY LEAGUE PLAY? WHAT IS KIND OF THE END GOAL FOR THIS GREEN SPACE? CAN YOU KIND OF, SO THIS GREEN SPACE, UM, AS I'D MENTIONED BEFORE, CAN HOLD FOUR FULL SIZE SOCCER, SOCCER FIELDS ON IT. RIGHT? UM, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE USE SIZES, IT COULD INCREASE ON HOW MANY WE COULD HOLD. UM, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THIS AS GAME FIELDS. SO A FENCED IN AREA THAT WOULD BE USED FOR OUR PARTNER ATHLETIC GROUPS OR RENTABLE SPACE. UM, AND TO RELIEVE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE AT SOME OF OUR OTHER FIELDS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, IF YOU DRIVE BY HUFFINES, YOU'LL SEE SOCCER PLAYERS, UH, CRICKET PLAYERS, FOOTBALL PLAYERS, EVERYBODY IS UTILIZING THAT FIELD 24 7 ESSENTIALLY. I KNOW IT'S NOT 24 7, BUT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UM, DURING ALL THE OPERATIONAL DAYTIME HOURS. AND THAT FIELD, THAT TURF IS EXTREMELY HARD TO MAINTAIN AND IT IS WORN DOWN. SO BY HAVING FIELDS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO GAMES ONLY, THAT WILL RELIEVE SOME OF THE PRESSURE AND HAVE BETTER QUALITY FIELDS FOR OUR YOUTH TO ACTUALLY PLAY ON. OKAY. REGARDING, UM, THE, THE GALLATIN PLAZA FOUNTAIN, I'VE NEVER BUILT A FOUNTAIN. UH, SO THAT WAS QUITE SURPRISING TO HEAR 5.2 MILLION, UH, FOR THAT FOUNTAIN. I DO KNOW THAT I THINK THE PAST YEAR OR TWO [01:25:01] WHEN IT HASN'T WORKED, UM, I'VE HEARD FROM TWO OR THREE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE TOWER THAT JUST GOT BUILT NEXT TO IT. AND, UH, I KNOW THEY'RE UPSET. THEY'RE LIKE, WE GOT IT JUST 'CAUSE OF THE FOUNTAIN AND NOW WE CAN'T SEE THE FOUNTAIN FROM OUR APARTMENT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING. NOW WITH THAT SAID, 5.2 MILLION IS A LOT FOR, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT FOR A FOUNTAIN. MAYBE I JUST DON'T APPRECIATE FOUNTAINS LIKE OTHER PEOPLE'S DO. I DON'T KNOW. UM, ARE THERE PLANS THAT IF 5.2, I MEAN IF 5.2 IS TOO MUCH, WHAT HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY TALKS OF MAYBE DOING SOMETHING ELSE THERE OR SCRAPING THE WHOLE IDEA OF A FOUNTAIN AND USING THAT TOWARDS SOMETHING ELSE? UM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MR. MAGNER TO ANSWER, BUT I KNOW THIS IS A, A FOCAL POINT AND IT WAS DEVELOPED AS A ATTRACTION FOR THE EMAN THE HOTEL, UM, AND THOSE APARTMENTS IN THAT AREA. SO I AM NOT AWARE OF A DISCUSSION OF POTENTIALLY NOT HAVING THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND AGAIN, THE 5.2 IS, IS PROBABLY THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. UM, WE NEEDED TO PUT THIS IN HERE, SO IT WOULD BE ON YOUR MIND AND IT WOULD BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. THIS, THIS COULD BE A, A BIG SWING DEPENDING ON WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. SO, UM, I I THINK THIS, I I'D FOCUS LESS ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT RIGHT NOW AND MORE ON IS THIS AN ASSET THAT YOU WANNA CONTINUE TO HAVE. IT IS A, A, A KEY AMENITY IN THE MASTER PLAN OF, OF GALLATIN. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR 20 PLUS YEARS IT'S BEEN A PRETTY, PRETTY UNIQUE PART OF OUR, OF OUR CITY. WHAT, WHAT IS THE STANDALONE PRICE ON, LET'S SAY THE OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL PARK COURTS? I KNOW TO YOUR COMMENT, THAT'S SOMETHING I HEAR ABOUT A LOT MORE THAN PROBABLY ANYTHING ELSE. UH, THAT'S ONE THING I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT. WHAT IS THE STANDALONE PRICE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND WHAT'S THE STANDALONE PRICE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ASKING ABOUT? SO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ONE SIX CAME OUT TO BE 1.6, AND THAT DOES INCLUDE A PARKING LOT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ESSENTIAL TO ADD ONTO THAT. AND THEN FOR THE, UH, BRIDGE THAT CAME OUT TO BE JUST UNDER 5 MILLION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S 1.6 AND FIVE, SO ANOTHER SEVEN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS. UM, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF TERRACE PARK, AND I KNOW, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING WHEN WE LOOKED AT AQUATICS, THAT WAS A BIG PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE TERRACE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA INCORPORATE IT INTO A NEW INDOOR OUTDOOR. AND I REMEMBER THERE BEING TALKS AROUND IT NEEDED BAD, SOME BAD ATTENTION. UM, CAN YOU KIND OF JUST SPEND A COUPLE SECONDS TALKING ABOUT TERRACE AND WHY THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN YEAH, SO TERRACE WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. TWO OF THE OPTIONS WORKED VERY WELL, HAND IN HAND TOGETHER. THE THIRD OPTION KIND OF CREATED SOME OUTLIERS FOR US. AND BY LOOKING AT THAT, WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT GAVE US STILL FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. SO ALLOWING COUNCIL OPPORTUNITIES TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT AN INDOOR POOL WOULD BE AT APOLLO PARK OR AT BRECKENRIDGE, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT OPTION C3, UM, BROUGHT INTO THE FOLD. SO BY NOT TOUCHING THE TERRACE OR GLENVILLE, THAT ALLOWS US FUTURE FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE, THOSE POOLS AND WHAT THAT POTENTIAL PLAN. SO BY GOING WITH THE COTTONWOOD, UM, CANYON CREEK AND EVEN THE BRECKENRIDGE SPRAY GROUND, WE STILL HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO VARY BETWEEN THOSE THREE PLANS. OKAY. UM, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SOMETHING I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT COTTONWOOD PARK. UM, I REMEMBER LAST TIME WE TALKED, ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS PASSIONATE, AND I REMEMBER WE NOT SPECIFYING THAT COTTONWOOD WOULD BECOME A SPRAY GROUND. IT WAS, IT WAS DISCUSSED AS SPRAY GROUND. AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT HAD THAT DISCUSSION BETWEEN COTTONWOOD AND CANYON CREEK, THE USER BILL, THE, THE USE FOR TEAMS AND PRACTICE SESSIONS AT COTTONWOOD WAS HIGHER THAN CANYON CREEK, ALTHOUGH CANTON CREEK WAS OPEN MORE DAYS, MORE HOURS. AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DATA BETWEEN HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY VISITED, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE NUMBERS ON CANYON CREEK, THE ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS WERE HIGHER, WE ALSO, UH, I REMEMBER BRINGING UP THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT HOW MANY HOURS IS OPEN, THE COTTONWOOD IS ARGUABLY MORE USED THAN CANYON CREEK, BUT IN THIS PRESENTATION, IT WAS ASSUMED THAT WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT COTTONWOOD NEEDED TO BE CONVERTED TO A SPRAY GROUND. SO FROM WHERE I STAND ON THE COUNCIL, UM, I COULD, I COULD GO, I KNOW SOME OF MY FELLOW MEMBERS HAVE STRONGER STANCE ON THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. I CAN GO EITHER WAY ON THAT. I WOULD ALMOST ARGUE EITHER PUTTING A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OR PICKLE BALLS ABOVE THE GALLATIN PLAZA. BUT I AM VERY MUCH, UH, I DEFINITELY WANNA BRING BACK THE DISCUSSION [01:30:01] AROUND COTTONWOOD POOL BECAUSE IT IS BEING USED. IT IS. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION THERE IS IF, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE BETWEEN CREATING COTTONWOOD SPRAY GROUND AND RENOVATED A COMPLETELY LIKE WE WOULD CANYON CREEK AND KEEPING IT AS A POOL? SO BASED ON THE ADOPTED AQUATIC MASTER PLAN, COTTONWOOD WAS ALWAYS LISTED AS A SPRAY GROUND. IT WAS CANYON CREEK THAT WAS POTENTIALLY A RENOVATION OR A SPRAY GROUND. UM, SO LOOKING AT THAT, I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT COTTONWOOD AS A RENOVATION, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ANYWHERE FROM THE 2.3 TO MAYBE UPWARDS TO $3 MILLION, BECAUSE THAT DOES HAVE MORE INTERNAL ISSUES WITH THE PIPING SYSTEM AND THE GUTTER SYSTEM. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR CONSULTANTS REALLY DOVE INTO, AND MAYBE THEY DID. UH, SPENCER HAS ACTUALLY GOT OUR, OKAY, SO THEY DID NOT DIVE INTO THAT RENOVATION COST BECAUSE OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE WENT, UM, BASED ON FEEDBACK WITH COUNCIL AND WITH THE PUBLIC. UM, AS FAR AS USE THE NUMBER OF DAYS OPEN, THEY ARE OPEN THE SAME NUMBER OF DAYS. THERE WERE MORE TIMES THAT WE HAD SWIM LESSONS AT COTTONWOOD. AND THE REASON WE DID THAT WAS A PROGRAMMING FUNCTION. WE KNEW THAT COTTONWOOD USAGE WAS VERY LIMITED ON OPEN SWIM TIMES, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMING. AND THERE WERE MORE TIMES THAT WE HAD LIFEGUARDS THERE WITH MAYBE ONE PERSON IN THE POOL, OR TWO PEOPLE IN THE POOL, UM, COMPARED TO THE OTHER LOCATIONS. SO WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT LOCATION TO OFFER MORE SWIM LESSONS AND UTILIZE IT AND ACTUALLY HAVE THAT BENEFIT OF PEOPLE IN THE SPACE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, GOING WITH WHAT THE ADOPTED MASTER PLAN IS, THAT'S WHAT WE ESSENTIALLY LED TOWARDS. NOW, I WILL SAY WITH THE CANYON CREEK LOCATION, OUR CONSULTANTS, IF YOU'LL RECALL, THEY DID BRING UP THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE THREE POOLS WITHIN OUR CITY, THE CITY OUR SIZE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT CANYON CREEK AND THE AREAS IT SERVES, IT DOES SERVE AN AREA THAT'S UNTOUCHED, WHICH IS THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF OUR CITY. SO THOSE LOCATIONS ARE NOT COVERED BY ANY OTHER POOL EXCEPT THE CANYON CREEK POOL, WHERE COTTONWOOD HAD THAT, UM, LEVERAGE FROM HEIGHTS AQUATIC CENTER, AND EVEN A BIT OF TERRACE POOL COMING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT DRIVE RADIUS. SO, SO IF THAT WAS DECIDED AS PART OF THE AQUATICS PLAN, BUT CANYON CREEK WAS NOT, WHY IS CANYON CREEK BEING, 'CAUSE TO ME, IT MADE NO SENSE. AND I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO RE ARGUE THE AQUATICS PLAN, BUT IF THAT WAS THE CASE AND CANYON CREEK WAS ADOPTED AS PART OF THE AQUATICS PLAN, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. SO I'M STRUGGLING TO REMEMBER AS THAT WAS MANY CONVERSATIONS AGO. THAT WAS, IF IT WAS ADOPTED AS EITHER A POOL OR A SPRAY GROUND, WHY IS IT DECIDED IT'S GONNA REMAIN A POOL, NOT A SPRAY GROUND? I WOULD THINK THAT WE AS CITY ARE GOING TO A SPRAY GROUND, THEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PUT A SPRAY GROUND COTTONWOOD. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PUT ONE IN BRECKEN RIDGE. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE CANYON CREEK OVER TO ONE. AND THEN, THEN, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP SOME POOLS, SOME SPRAY GROUND DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD KEEP CANYON CREEK POOL, BUT ELIMINATE COTTONWOOD. SO IF YOU, IF WE'RE GONNA SWITCH 'EM ALL OVER, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT TO KEEP ONE AND NOT THE OTHER, AND IF YOU RECALL, WE WILL NOT BE SWITCHING ALL OF 'EM. IT'S MORE OF HAVING EQUAL AMENITIES ON BOTH SIDES, EAST AND WEST. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE, PART OF THAT PLAN, WHICH IS IN THE LONG-TERM OPTION, IS THERE WOULD BE A INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL AT SOME LOCATION POTENTIALLY, OR JUST ANOTHER OUTDOOR POOL. SO POTENTIALLY IF WE WENT WITH JUST THE OUTDOOR OPTION, GLENVILLE PARK WOULD BECOME A RENOVATED POOL, AND THEN TERRACE OR APOLLO WOULD BECOME A SPRAY GROUND AND THE TERRACE POOL WOULD ALSO GO AWAY. SO IT'S EQUAL AMENITIES ON BOTH SIDES WITH HEIGHTS AQUATIC CENTER BEING A FAMILY AQUATIC CENTER MUCH LARGER. AND BEING THAT CENTRAL HUB, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE POINT OF THE COVERAGE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT EACH AREA IS COVERED WITH SOME TYPE OF POOL FEATURE. SO THERE'S A BODY OF WATER THAT THEY HAVE ACCESSIBILITY TO WITHIN THAT SEVEN MILE DRIVE TIME. UM, SO CANYON CREEK DOES SERVE AS THAT FOR A REGION OF OUR, OUR COMMUNITY WHERE COTTONWOOD HAD A COMPLETE OVERLAP FROM HEIGHTS AQUATIC CENTER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DOYEN. THANK YOU. UM, YVONNE, UH, JUST COUPLE THINGS. ONE, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT THE RENOVATION PROCESS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT WE CONTINUE WITH RENOVATIONS TO KEEP WHAT ALREADY WHAT I, WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE AND I ALWAYS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT. UM, I ALSO WANT TO CIRCLE BACK OVER TO BRECKENRIDGE. I TOO COULD SUPPORT THE BRIDGE, UM, PORTION OF THAT PROJECT. ONE, BECAUSE AS I ALWAYS SAY, I'D LIKE TO FINISH UP A PROJECT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, IT WILL BE A COMPLETE WRAP UP ON THE, ON THE, UH, PARK, BUT [01:35:01] IT TAKES IT TO THE NEXT STEP TO FINISH ONE SECTOR OF THAT. SO NOW WE CAN MAKE, OR YOU GUYS COULD MAKE DECISIONS ON, UH, WHAT ELSE COULD BE ACTIVATED AT THAT LOCATION, THEREFORE THAT, THAT TIES THAT IN AND ACTIVATES THAT TRAIL AND, AND PROVIDES THAT BRIDGE. UM, I SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE I ALSO WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO APOLLO AND HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL. I DON'T WANT TO NOT SEE APOLLO DEVELOPED. UM, IT'S IN THE SOUTHERN EAST SIDE OF RICHARDSON AND YES, THAT'S, WE HAVE HUFF FINDS AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO ACTIVATE THAT ENTIRE AREA AND WE DO NEED A WATER FEATURE THERE, WHETHER IT'S A POOL OR A SPA, UH, A SPRAY PAD, UH, OR SPLASH PAD IN THE FUTURE. BUT I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF DEVELOPING THIS AREA, BUT I ALSO, PART OF ME WANTS TO SAY, WELL, LET'S FINISH UP SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE AND EITHER OBVIOUSLY RENOVATE OR ACTIVATE, UH, NEW FACILITIES TO KEEP THOSE ACTIVE. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ON TERRACE, THE TERRACE POOL, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT POOL AND THEY LIKE THE SORT OF BEACH STYLE APPROACH AND IT SEEMS TO BE ALWAYS PRETTY CROWDED. OF COURSE THEY HAVE THE, THE DOG SPLASH, UH, UH, EVENT OVER THERE TOO. AND THAT AREA WORKS REALLY WELL TO HAVE A POOL IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOMES IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE PRIVATE POOL. SO THAT IS THEIR, THEIR POOL. UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE APOLLO SIDE. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THAT IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT OF ADDING WHATEVER WATER FEATURE. UM, IN YOUR OPINION, UM, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY BRECKENRIDGE AND ACTIVATE SOME OF THESE OTHERS, UH, AT COTTONWOOD, UH, IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT, WHAT OTHER SUGGESTIONS WOULD YOU HAVE ON CUTTING BACK TO BE ABLE TO DO LIKE THE BRECKENRIDGE ACTIVATE A STAGE OF, OF APOLLO? UM, I KNOW ORIGINALLY YOU MENTIONED THE BRIDGE, THE PICKLEBALL AND THE APOLLO THREE AND FOUR, UH, POTENTIALLY WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT, BUT BEFORE WE, IF I CAN SUGGEST BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN WE HEAR EVERYBODY BEFORE WE, BECAUSE WE YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YEAH. I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S FINE. BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE SUGGEST HOW WE MIGHT START TO KIND OF FIT THIS OUIJA BOARD, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY TO KIND OF GET THE INPUT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO HIT AS MANY, UM, I THINK POSITIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE. SURE. OKAY. YES, I, AND APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, OVER ON THE GALLATIN, UH, GALLATIN AREA, I, I HAVE TO AGREE THAT THAT WATER FEATURE IS A FOCAL POINT FOR THAT AREA. I, I KNOW IT'S GOING, DEPENDING ON IF IT HAS TO BE FULLY RENOVATED, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COST AS OPPOSED TO REPAIR. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS IT, IT'S KIND OF A LANDLOCKED AREA AND I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A WATER FEATURE. I MEAN, I BELIEVE IN WATER FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I THINK THEY ADD MORE INTEREST, UM, ADD MORE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DEFINEMENT. SO I'M, I I DO SUPPORT THAT. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON MCCAMEY PARK, IT'S ON HERE, WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING, UM, TO MCCAMEY? THAT WOULD BE A PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT. OH, REALLY? OKAY. YES. YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILOR? UH, NO. I'LL, I'LL CIRCLE BACK. OKAY. LET ME GET SOME THOUGHTS TOGETHER. I'M GONNA THROW A FEW DIFFERENT QUESTIONS OUT THERE AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT A SECOND ROUND ALREADY GETTING STARTED. UH, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ADDED OPEX, UH, FOR, FOR SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT APOLLO PARK TWO AND THE PICKLEBALL. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE OPEX SIDE OF THAT. DO WE HAVE THAT HANDY OR, AND I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? UH, UH, OPERATING EXPENSES, OKAY. THAT THE ANNUAL EXPENSES THAT WOULD BE UNDERTAKEN IF WE STARTED PICKLEBALL OR IF WE DECIDED TO MOVE ON TO APOLLO PARK TWO. YEAH, SO FOR PICKLEBALL, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT OPERATIONAL EXPENSE WOULD INCREASE MUCH FOR OUR TEAM. IT WOULD BE MORE OF NET REPLACEMENTS, WINDSCREEN REPLACEMENTS, WHICH ARE GENERALLY EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO. UM, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WEATHER HOLDS FOR US. UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF IS MOWING OR OUR CONTRACTORS ARE MOWING THAT AREA ALREADY, SO IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF THEM GOING IN AND BLOWING IT. UM, SO I THINK MAINTENANCE WISE, OPERATIONAL COSTS WOULD BE VERY MINIMAL. HOWEVER, WE DO TRY TO GO THROUGH ALL OF OUR TENNIS COURT FACILITIES. WE TRY TO DO A ROTATION OF RESURFACING THOSE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 10 YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE STRUCTURE. UM, AS FAR AS APOLLO PARK PHASE TWO, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DO NOT HAVE THE OPERATIONAL COST. THAT [01:40:01] WOULD BE MORE OF OUR ATHLETIC MAINTENANCE. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SEAN CAN SPEAK TO THOSE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD, BUT THAT AGAIN, IS BRINGING IN THE ATHLETIC TEAM AND IT'S BASED ON THE USE. AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE USE WOULD BE EXTREMELY HEAVY AT THAT LOCATION. BUT COST FOR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. UM, 'CAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE SAID ABOUT POINT NORTH, WE'RE ALREADY MOWING THAT, UM, WE WOULD INCREASE THE FREQUENCY A LITTLE BIT. UM, SOCCER FIELDS ARE PROBABLY AMONG THE CHEAPEST SPORTS FIELDS TO MAINTAIN. UM, AS, AS A GENERAL RULE, WE HAVE SOME MORE CULTURAL PRACTICES, WE TRY TO VERIFY THOSE, YOU KNOW, FERTILIZED STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, THAT WOULD GET ROLLED INTO OPERATING BUDGET PRETTY, PRETTY EASILY. UM, WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF LIKE FIELD LIGHTING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE CAN BE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR, BUT WE WOULDN'T EXPECT THERE TO BE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, KNOW DAY TO DAY OPERATING COSTLY FOR THE FIRST FEW YEARS UNLESS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENED. SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT. FAIR ENOUGH. I, UH, FOR SURE, FOR ME AT LEAST, UH, ANY NEW ITEMS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IN THESE BONDS THAT THAT'LL BE A CONSISTENT QUESTION ON MY END. EVEN IF IT IS NOMINAL, IT'LL JUST BE GOOD TO KIND OF HAVE A, A FEEL FOR IT. UM, PHASE FIVE, THE POOL THAT YOU, UH, HAD MENTIONED OR, OR POSSIBLE SPACE FOR SOMETHING LIKE A POOL, HOW MUCH SPACE IS ACTUALLY LEFT IN PHASE FIVE IF WE CARRIED FORWARD WITH TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND PUT OURSELVES IN THAT POSITION? AND, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS I'M CURIOUS HOW CONSTRAINED A SPACE IT IS OR HOW ROBUST A SPACE IT IS, UH, RELATIVE TO THE POSSIBILITY OF IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING REALLY BIG THERE AS IT RELATED TO AN INDOOR SWIMMING FACILITY, LET'S SAY, RIGHT, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A REGIONAL DRAW, COULD IT HOUSE THAT IN PHASE FIVE, THE WAY WE HAVE IT PLANNED TODAY? SO THE WAY IT'S PLANNED RIGHT NOW, OUR CONSULTANTS ACTUALLY DID LOOK AT THAT WITH A INDOOR OUTDOOR ELEMENT. AND THAT INDOOR POOL WAS A RECREATIONAL POOL AS WELL AS A COMPETITIVE POOL. IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR GRAND, UM, THOUSAND PERSON FACILITY, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS A 500 PERSON FACILITY, UH, FOR THAT MEET. AND I BELIEVE SPENCER'S LOOKING THAT UP RIGHT NOW. UM, IT WAS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF LAND WITH THAT, BUT THEY DID PLOT IT OUT. AND IT IS SUFFICIENT TO HOLD THAT INDOOR OUTDOOR POOL FOR A POTENTIAL 500 SEAT OR SO. I BELIEVE SO. AND SPENCER, IF YOU FIND THAT, JUST TURN YOUR LIGHT ON FOR ME. AND I'M PARTLY ASKING BECAUSE, UH, AT LEAST AT THIS MOMENT, UH, THERE'S NO PHASE FIVE WRITTEN INTO THIS THING OR ANY MASSIVE INDOOR POOL WRITTEN INTO THIS THING. UH, BUT I THINK AS FAR AS THE WAY THE BOND ELECTIONS MIGHT BE LINING UP, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEXT BOND ELECTION FOR SOMETHING THAT COULD EVEN BE COLLABORATIVE WITH RIT POTENTIALLY, UH, THAT WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE HORIZON. I, THAT WOULD BE MY PRIMARY HESITATION ON EVEN MOVING FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO. UH, WOULD JUST BE, ARE WE STARTING TO KIND OF GO DOWN A PATH THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO SOMETHING BIGGER LATER? IT IS JUST, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT, AT LEAST ON, ON MY SIDE, UM, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PLAYGROUND LIST, UM, AS, AS I'M LOOKING AT IT AND, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I DON'T, UH, I KNOW I GOT A DEBRIEF WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED AND, AND I'M SURE, UH, IT INCLUDED WHAT I'M ABOUT TO ASK, BUT I'D BE VERY CURIOUS JUST KIND OF WHAT THE REST OF, I KNOW YOU SAID THERE WERE 30 SOME ODD AND, AND I THINK JUST BASIC MATH EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU COULD DIVIDE IT UP AND HAVE 10 EACH, BUT I DO SEE THAT DISPARITY BETWEEN 2006 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 2015. UH, AND I'M, AND I SEE A MENTAL BLOCK FOR ME OF, OKAY, LET'S COVER 2006 THROUGH 2009, CONSIDER MAYBE SOME OF THOSE IN A, IN THE NEXT BOND, WHICH HYPOTHETICALLY WOULD BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. AND IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THOSE OLDER ONES POSSIBLY. BUT IT, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REST OF THE AGES ARE OF ALL THE REST OF THE PARKS THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, WHICH MIGHT HELP, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT ONE, UM, I WANT TO BE EITHER THE FOURTH OR MAYBE FIFTH, UM, TO PERHAPS JUMP ON TO THE BRECKENRIDGE CONVERSATION. UM, I'D WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, I THINK WHERE MY HEAD GOES ESPECIALLY, WELL LET START WITH I THINK REPAIRING THE THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE. UM, AND IN A BOND THAT MIGHT BE OVERALL VERY FOCUSED ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S SORT OF CONSISTENT WITH THAT. UM, WHERE I START GETTING A LITTLE BIT ANTSY IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING EXPENSE, UH, WHICH IS WHY I WAS ASKING THE OPEX QUESTIONS. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE BRECKENRIDGE PROJECT IS THAT IT WON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ONGOING EXPENSES AFTERWARDS. UH, WHAT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT YET [01:45:01] IS WHEN THAT'S CREATED, DOES IT BECOME A MAJOR DRAW TO THAT AREA? I'M GUESSING IT MIGHT, UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE A REAL GOOD SENSE FOR IT, AND THAT'S PROBABLY PARTIALLY ON ME, BUT, UH, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO GET A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO WHAT, NOT, NOT THIS MOMENT, BUT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND, AND THAT TAKES ME TO KIND OF A SECONDARY THOUGHT, WHICH IS, I WONDER, I KIND OF PUT IN, IN A NOTE HERE ABOUT BANG FOR THE BUCK AND, AND WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING AT IS REPAIRING OLD, THE OLDER STUFF ALWAYS MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THINGS IN DISREPAIR WHEN WE'RE DOING SOMETHING NEW. I WANT TO BE LOOKING AT DOES IT MAKE US UNIQUE COMPARED TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES? DOES IT DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES AN AREA SUPER SPECIAL, UH, RELATIVE TO COMPETING, COMPETING CITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS PERHAPS THAT AROUND IT OR THE POSSIBILITY OF IT, BUT I'D LOVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OR IT, TO WHATEVER EXTENT, THERE IS A WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE THINK THE IMPACT WOULD BE, UH, WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT I'LL MAKE, AND I I'LL COME BACK FOR SECONDS FOR OTHERS THAT HAVE THEM, UH, IS THE CANYON CREEK POOL RENOVATION, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THAT GOT PASSED ON IN THIS BOND CYCLE, HYPOTHETICALLY, IS IT IN SUCH DISREPAIR THAT IT WOULD CAUSE IT TO HAVE TO SHUT DOWN DURING THAT TIME? OR WHAT WOULD THE COST BE ASSOCIATED WITH NOT DOING THE RENOVATION AT THIS TIME? YEAH, SO THE OPERATION OF NOT RENOVATING THAT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DEALING WITH. I WILL TELL YOU, ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS ARE AT A PHASE OF THEY 60 PLUS YEARS OLD. AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GONNA FAIL. AND WHEN THEY DO FAIL, THE QUESTION THAT WILL BE POSED BACK TO COUNCIL IS, DO WE WANNA TAKE THE FUNDS TO REPAIR SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA CONTINUE TO BREAK DOWN? AND WHERE DOES THAT LINE OF INVESTMENT DRAW? YEAH. UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, EVERY YEAR THAT WE PREPARE TO OPEN THE POOLS, WE'RE GOING THROUGH LOOKING AT ALL THE FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, WHAT IS GONNA BE FUNCTIONING, AND IT'S A CONSTANT ISSUE. WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THESE POOLS SOONER THAN LATER, BUT IT DOES GO BACK AND, AND WE HAD THAT NOTE IN THE BOND, UM, IN THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN OF THIS IS BASED ON IMMEDIATE NEED. THERE MIGHT BE A FAILURE THAT HAPPENS AT ONE LOCATION THAT CAUSES US TO LOOK AT THAT SOONER THAN WE INTENDED. SO IF IT IS DELAYED AGAIN, WE WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THOSE POOLS ARE OPERATIONAL. AT SOME POINT, YOUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES DO INCREASE, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE CONSTANTLY DOING REPAIRS, AND WE DO HAVE A HEALTHY BUDGET FOR THOSE REPAIRS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION COMPLETELY, BUT WE WILL DO OUR BEST. WELL, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I MEAN, SO IN IN ADVANCE OF THE 21 BOND PROGRAM WHERE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT, WE SPENT NEARLY $2 MILLION QUOTE, YOU KNOW, RENOVATING THE POOLS TO TRY TO GET ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OUT OF 'EM. EVERY YEAR SINCE THEN, WE'RE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MAINTAINING THOSE POOLS. WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT SEVERAL POOLS ALREADY WITH THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. THAT'S A STRATEGY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR SIX YEARS, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THIS BOND PROGRAM GOES. UM, BUT IT'S ONLY GONNA BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE AND WE SHOULD, WE REALLY SHOULD, AT 60 PLUS YEARS, WE SHOULD ANTICIPATE UNEXPECTED FAILURES THAT CAN CANNOT BE QUICKLY, UM, ADDRESSED. AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE MORE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS AS A RESULT OF THE AGE OF THE POOLS, UM, AND HOW, HOW MUCH IT'S, IT'S COSTING TO, TO MAINTAIN AND, AND, AND EXTEND THEIR LIVES. I, I KNOW WE DID A AQUATIC STUDY AND SO I FEEL REALLY AWFUL SUGGESTING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER'S ON THE AQUATIC STUDY, BUT I ALSO HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN AND, AND AN INCREASING CONCERN SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BOTH OUR THREE AND A HALF PERCENT CAP AND WHAT MAY POTENTIALLY BECOME A 1% CAP EVENTUALLY. AND SO I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, DOING NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE FINANCIALLY, UH, WHETHER BECAUSE OF THE REPAIRS OR BECAUSE WE DO A FULL RENOVATION. UM, SO IT JUST, I, I WONDER AT SOME LEVEL, DEPENDING ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COUNCIL'S WILL IS, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO KIND OF GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT WHAT THAT OPERATING EXPENSES ARE. WE KNOW THERE'S SOME LARGE, UM, BUMPS COMING IN IN BUDGETS WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, LIKE FIREFIGHTERS. AND SO I JUST, I WANNA TRY AND START MAYBE LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE HOLISTICALLY AND, UH, FOR 28 SQUARE MILE CITY, I, I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT HAVING THAT MANY POOLS THAT WE'RE OPERATING, UH, AT THE EXPENSE THAT WE OPERATE THEM, IF THAT'S REALLY THE, THE WISEST CHOICE. AND, AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE DID THE [01:50:01] AQUATIC STUDY, SO I'M HESITANT TO SAY ANY OF THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND. YES. AND I WILL SAY WITH THE AQUATIC MASTER PLAN, WHEN OUR CONSULTANTS LOOKED AT OUR CITY, THE FIRST THING THEY SHARED WITH US IS REALLY A CITY YOUR SIZE EITHER NEEDS TWO LARGE FAMILY AQUATIC CENTERS, OR ONE WITH THE TWO POOLED. SO THEY DID NOT FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A NEED FOR FIVE POOLS ITSELF. SO THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY CAME OUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. IT'S, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US DECIDING WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. WELL, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT, IT WOULD, I MEAN, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE IN, YOU KNOW, CONTEMPLATING A HEIGHT AQUATIC CENTER AND FIVE SPLASH PADS, THAT IS GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE OUR AQUATICS OFFERING. SO I DO THINK THAT THAT WOULD FURTHER, UH, WARRANT FURTHER DISCUSSION AND, AND POTENTIALLY EVEN FURTHER INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. CORRECT. I MEAN, THE, THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN IS LESS THAN 18 MONTHS OLD OR SO, AND SO I, I, I HEAR THE SPIRIT OF THE QUESTION, WE'RE HAPPY TO FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO, UM, WE'D WANT TO KIND OF HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, BECAUSE ONE, ONE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL BEEN TO HEIGHTS. IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA SERVICE, UM, OUR AQUATIC NEEDS, UH, THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 28 SQUARE MILES. CORRECT? DEFINITELY NOT. NO, I, I AGREE. AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW WE JUST DID THE MASTER PLAN, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SHOOT IT DOWN. I'M JUST, I'M JUST, UH, CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE ELEMENTS. SO, UM, ALRIGHT. I HAD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN AS NEXT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES. BUT I MEAN, YEAH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT YOU AND DON JUST SAID, I MEAN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ADDING TO SOME OF THE OTHER PROPOSALS OF THINGS LIKE CAPPING APPRAISALS TO EVERY FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF ANNUALLY AND, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 10%. I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK DISCUSSIONS LIKE THAT ARE HELPFUL JUST TO, TO TALK ABOUT, HEY, WHEN AND IF THIS STUFF EVER ACTUALLY HAPPENS, RIGHT. ADDING IT TO THIS SORT OF, HEY SUITE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REEVALUATE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE PLAN FOR. I MEAN, AND YOU PRESENTING IT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WAY. YEP. I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS, SORRY TO MOVE ON FROM THAT, BUT JUST WHEN IT CAME UP I WANTED TO COMMENT, BUT MOVING ON FROM THAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO ENVISION HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THE BRECKENRIDGE REQUEST AND PLAYING IN THE SANDBOX THAT WE'VE KIND OF BEEN GIVEN BY STAFF AND NOT DEVIATING TOO MUCH. I MEAN, SO WHEN YOU'RE READY, I HAVE A SUGGESTION. OKAY. . YEAH. GREAT. WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND KNOCK THAT OUT. CAN, CAN I GET CLARIFYING AFTER, AFTER, AFTER MAYOR PROTO THE QUESTION? YEAH, GO AHEAD. I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ON THE GALLATIN PLAZA FOUNTAIN, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE A COMPANY COMING IN TO LOOK AND SEE IF IT CAN BE REPAIRED. IF WE, IF IT CAN BE REPAIRED, WOULD, DOES THAT GET PUT TO THE BOND OR DO WE DO THE REPAIR OUT OF THE PARK AND PARKS RECREATION BUDGET FOR THE FIRST TIME? SO THE HOPE WOULD BE IF IT COULD BE REPAIRED THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND THE FUNDS. HOWEVER, WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT IS WHAT THE COST OF THOSE REPAIRS COULD BE. I UNDERSTAND. SO IF THEY COME BACK WITH IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THEN I'M GOING TO, TO DON AND MCKAYLA TO DISCUSS THAT. IF THEY COME BACK WITH IT'S A MILLION OR 2 MILLION, THEN WE'RE GONNA MODIFY WHAT'S ON HERE, BUT STILL PRESENT IT FORWARD. OKAY. AND, AND JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, GOING BACK FOR JUST A MOMENT ON APOLLO PARK, PHASE TWO, IF I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE IT KIND OF RATTLED AROUND MY BRAIN. TOOK ME A MINUTE TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT I THINK I HEARD YOU WERE PROPOSING WAS ALMOST A PERF, I DON'T WANNA SAY PROFESSIONAL, NOT THE RIGHT WORD TO USE, BUT A SOCCER PARK THAT WE WOULD BE RENTING OUT. IT REALLY WOULDN'T. IT'S WE'RE YOU'RE REALLY NOT PROPOSING TO DESIGN IT FOR IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO GO OUT AND, UH, I I GUESS YOU NEED MORE THAN SEVEN, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER. MAYBE COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WANTED TO, TO, UM, DO A SOCCER GAME AND, AND CHALLENGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, LET'S SAY JUST OUT OF, I MEAN, IT, IT'S REALLY NOT SET UP FOR JUST IF WE HAVE WANTED TO GO AND DO A A A, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS A, A WALKUP IF, IF, YOU KNOW, AM AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS MORE OF A KIND OF LIKE OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR BALL FIELDS WHERE YOU REALLY CAN'T GO UP AND HAVE A WALKUP, LIKE A JUST A WALKUP BASEBALL GAME. YOU REALLY HAVE TO SCHEDULE IT, YOU HAVE TO PAY FEES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO AGAIN, I ASKED THE QUESTION, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY, IF, IF I'M RIGHT, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE FEEL FREE. BUT THAT REALLY LIMITS THE NUMBER OF OUR CITIZENS WHO CAN REALLY GO OUT AND ENJOY THE PARK, SO TO SPEAK. SO AGAIN, TO ME, THAT WOULD AGAIN, GIVE ANOTHER REASON TO PUSH DOWN APOLLO PARK PHASE TWO IF, IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING. YEAH. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WOULD BECOME GAME SOCCER FIELDS. THERE WOULD OF COURSE BE OTHER AMENITIES THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THOSE GAME FIELDS WOULD ALLEVIATE THE PRESSURE FROM OUR OPEN FIELDS THAT WE HAVE FOR EVERYDAY USE. SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY FREE UP MORE SPACE AT OTHER LOCATIONS. SO THAT'S THE FIELD OR THE PLAY THAT [01:55:01] WE'RE GOING, UH, TOWARDS IS ALLOWING THAT TO BE GAME USAGE. IT WOULD BE FOR OUR PARTNERED GROUPS THAT WE ARE ALREADY WORKING WITH, AND IT WOULD GIVE THEM BETTER QUALITY FIELDS IF THERE ARE TIMES OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT WE COULD RENT IT, WE WOULD. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S LOOKING AT HIGHER QUALITY, BETTER FIELDS FOR THE CURRENT PARTNER GROUPS THAT WE HAVE, UM, ALLOWING THAT USE TO COME THERE. AND THEN REPURPOSING, UH, SOCCER FIELDS THAT WE HAVE AT BRECKENRIDGE TO BE UTILIZED FOR OTHER SPORTS THAT WE HAVE A HIGH DEMAND FOR THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT ABLE TO MEET. UM, AND THEN ALLOWING MORE OF THOSE INTERIOR SOCCER FIELDS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE JUST OPEN FOR ANY USER TO COME AND UTILIZE. AND THAT'S A NEW TERM TO ME THAT I'VE NOT HEARD BEFORE. WHEN YOU SAY PARTNER, YEAH. SO WE CAN, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH, WITH WHAT? CAN YOU DEFINE THAT FOR ME? ABSOLUTELY. SO WE WORK WITH DIFFERENT YOUTH SPORTS PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS. SO, UM, SPRING VALLEY ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION, THE YMCA, UM, RICHARDSON SOCCER ASSOCIATION. THOSE ARE GROUPS THAT WE PARTNER WITH. THEY UTILIZE OUR FIELDS. THEY DO PAY A FEE, A VERY MINIMAL FEE PER PARTICIPANT, BUT WE MAINTAIN THE FIELDS FOR THEIR USE. THEY SCHEDULE THE ACTIVITIES. SO THEY'RE OFFERING A SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO OFFER. UM, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING THEM WITH THE FIELDS. OKAY. AND THEN JUST A LAST CLARIFYING QUESTION, KIND OF GOING BACK FOR JUST A MOMENT ON THE WHOLE AQUATICS PIECE, EXCUSE ME, CANYON CREEK, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE RENOVATED IT OR DID SUBSTANTIAL, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD CALL REPAIRS MAYBE IS THE RIGHT TERM IF, IF WE HAVEN'T RENOVATED IT. YEAH. SO WE JUST KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE CURRENTLY SIT. 'CAUSE I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, I, I HAVE BIG CONCERN, KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. IF, IF WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO LIVE UNDER A, WHATEVER OUR CAP'S GONNA BE. AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY STILL OPEN TO OUR LEGISLATURE TO TELL US, I GUESS , BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, IF IT WAS AROUND 2020, YEAH. 2021. WELL, ACTUALLY WITH THE 2015, WAS THAT A REPAIR OR, OR, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. WITH THE 2015 BOND PROGRAM, THE BATHHOUSES WERE RENOVATED IN THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS 2017 AT THAT POINT, THAT WE RENOVATED THOSE. WE DID COME BACK IN, I BELIEVE, 2018 OR 2019 AND RESURFACED THAT POOL. WE ALSO ADDED A BRAND NEW DIVING BOARD IN IT BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME CHANGES IN, IN THE POOL CODES THAT REQUIRED US TO MODIFY THAT. UM, WE HAVE NOT, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WITH THE CITY RENOVATED THE, UH, MECHANICAL SYSTEM IN THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE REPAIRS HERE AND THERE. WE'VE REPLACED, UH, VFDS AND DIFFERENT, UH, MOTORS, PUMP MOTORS, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. BUT WE HAVE NOT DONE A COMPLETE RENOVATION OF THAT, THAT PUMP ROOM OR THE STRAINER GUTTER SYSTEM FOR THAT LOCATION. OKAY. YEAH. MR. MAGNER, THANK YOU. YOU'VE GOT A MAGIC WAND WE'D LOVE TO HEAR, I'M SURE. BUT, UH, NO, I, I, AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT, APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, MUCH LIKE WE DID LAST WEEK WITH, WITH TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THESE TWO TOGETHER AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE MODELING WE DID ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ANYWHERE FROM 35 TO TO 40 MILLION ISH DOLLARS IN THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR THESE TWO. SO IF I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT, UM, LET'S START WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS. WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST IS IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGULAR RHYTHM OF OUR BOND PROGRAMS, WE'RE GONNA LIKELY HAVE ANOTHER BOND PROGRAM AROUND 2031, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT FOUR PLAYGROUNDS ON HERE THAT EVEN IF YOU TOOK IT OUT TO 2021 WOULD BE 20 YEARS OR LESS. ACTUALLY, TWO OF 'EM WOULD ONLY BE 15 YEARS OLD. SO IF YOU REDUCED, IF YOU, IF YOU KIND OF CUT OFF THE LIMIT ON THE PLAYGROUNDS AT THE 2009 AGE, NOT DOING 11, 13 IN THE TWO FIFTEENS, YOU WOULD SAVE ABOUT 1,000,006, A MILLION TO SIX OR SO. SO, UM, TO, TO THE, TO THE INTEREST IN BRECKENRIDGE, IF WE WERE TO CONT, IF WE WOULD KEEP AQUATICS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, UM, REDUCE, UM, THE, UH, PLAYGROUNDS BY FOUR, BUT AGAIN, ADDRESSING EVERYTHING THAT BY THE END OF, UH, BY THE START OF THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM WOULD BE 20 YEARS OR LESS. AND THEN MOVE UP BOTH BRECKENRIDGE PROPERTIES, UH, I'M SORRY, BOTH BRECKENRIDGE PROJECTS AND THEN REMOVE THE APOLLO TWO. UM, WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT $22.1 MILLION. IF YOU TAKE THAT WITH THE 17 MILLION AT THE TRANSPORTATION, YOU'RE RIGHT AT THAT $40 MILLION MARK BETWEEN THE TWO. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE EXACT, UM, UH, COCKTAIL WE WOULD, WE, BUT YOU'RE IN THE BALLPARK IS THE POINT. UM, NOW YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR A WHOLE NOTHER STORY FROM NICK IN A SECOND, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT IF THAT SOUNDS RIGHT, THE HOMEWORK WE COULD TAKE AWAY WOULD BE TO, UM, GO AHEAD AND, AND PROVIDE THE FULL INVENTORY OF PLAYGROUNDS AND SHOW YOU WHERE, UM, WHAT FUTURE PLAYGROUNDS WOULD BE OUT THERE AND HOW WE COULD ACCOMMO HOW WE COULD SCHEDULE THOSE INTO FUTURE BOND PROGRAMS. MAYBE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 15 YEARS OUT, UM, WE, UM, COULD ALSO COME BACK AND, UM, AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT THE, UH, TRAIL PROJECT AT BRECKENRIDGE AND, AND KIND OF SHOW CONTEXTUALLY HOW THAT FITS IN THE GALLATIN PLAZAS, THE, THE, THE REALLY KIND OF THE TIP BALL FOR US, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S ALL, IT COULD BE ALL OVER THE PLACE IN TERMS OF COST, IF YOU LIKE, THE, YOU'VE LIKED THE DIRECTION [02:00:01] WE'RE HEADED WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS, THE, THE CURRENT AQUATICS, BOTH BRECKENRIDGE PROJECTS, UM, LET US TAKE THE PLAZA, UM, AS, AS A CHALLENGE TO GO FIND ONE, WHAT IT WILL ACTUALLY COST, BUT TWO, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE THAT HAS THE MOST, UM, I THINK HAS THE MOST CURRENTLY HAS THE MOST, UM, UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER FUNDING. UM, I MEAN, I THINK, FOR INSTANCE, THE HOTEL MOTEL FUND COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, BE AN OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD KIND OF GET AT THAT ONE VERSUS SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS, MOST FLEXIBLE OPPORTUNITIES AND FUNDING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD, WE COULD EVEN PUT A LITTLE BIT IN THE BOND PROGRAM FOR THAT AND KIND OF MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE THROUGH ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. IF YOU LIKE THE WAY THAT THAT SOUNDS, WE WILL TAKE THIS FEEDBACK, UM, AND, UH, BUILD A POTENTIAL PROPOSITION AROUND THAT. AGAIN, BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY FROM LAST WEEK, AND THIS, YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE $40 MILLION MARK BETWEEN THE TWO, WHICH WOULD BE HIGHLY ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE DID THE KICKOFF COUNCIL MEMBER BIAS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, DON, I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTIONS FOR THE MOST PART. UM, I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURTS AND FOR THAT NOT, AND TO BE HONEST, I THINK PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL, WILL, AND WHILE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A MUCH EASIER LIFT, AND IT FEELS LIKE IT WOULD AFFECT A LOT MORE, AT LEAST A LOT MORE PEOPLE, UH, TO, TO PUT THAT UP. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WENT FOR A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IF I LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTHWEST OF THE PARK, I WOULD BE UP IN ARMS FOR NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THAT GORGEOUS PARK. UM, THAT, THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL PARK. AND THE FACT THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE EASY ACCESS TO IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY UPSET ME. UM, BUT I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITY OVERALL, I THINK PICKLEBALL COURTS, I CAN'T, I'VE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT IT. SO I, I REALLY FEEL THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. NOW, GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION AROUND KING CREEK, I, I, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT. I WILL STRUGGLE TO SUPPORT A BOND THAT PUTS A POOL THERE. YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE COMMENTS, UH, THAT THE MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM MADE, IT'S HARD TO DISAGREE WITH THAT. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, JUST FROM, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HEIGHTS, THE REALITY IS HEIGHTS IS MORE AND ELIMINATING THAT POOL, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE DOING THINGS TO, TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF THE POOL VERSUS JUST ELIMINATING IT AND TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN GO TO THE HEIGHTS POOL BECAUSE ONE, IT DOES COST MORE, AND WE ARE IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S SOME OF THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN OUR CITY, SOME OF THE LOWEST INCOME IN OUR CITY. AND, UM, WHILE THERE ARE POOLS IN THE AREA, IN SOME OF THE AREA APARTMENTS, REALITY IS MOST OF THOSE DON'T WORK. UM, AND I, I JUST FEEL THAT TAKING A NEIGHBORHOOD POOL OUT OF THAT AREA IS, UM, A DISSERVICE TO THE AREA. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAID THAT. BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE PICKLEBALL COURSE, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD MOST ABOUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS AND NOT HAVING THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION, OR AT LEAST PART OF THE CONSIDERATION FURTHER, I THINK WILL BOTHER ME. LET ME, UH, GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN NEXT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN, SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE, RIGHT? AND PICKLEBALL COURTS WE'RE ONLY RANKED WHAT, NUMBER SEVEN IN THE PUBLIC'S PRIORITIES, OR IS IT LOWER THAN THAT? IT WASN'T EVEN ON THE HIGHEST PRIORITY LIST. SO, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A VOCAL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, AT SOME POINT, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, I THINK PICKLEBALL COURTS RANKED NUMBER 12. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT EVEN TOP 10. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I GUESS THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP ARE THE ONES THAT GET THEIR STUFF RANKED RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, I THINK, SORRY, THE, THE QUESTION THAT I REALLY HAD JUST PERTAINING SPECIFICALLY TO APOLLO PARK, PHASE ONE AND TWO, AND THIS REALLY TIES INTO BRECKENRIDGE AND INTO LOOKOUT, WHICH ARE BOTH SORT OF IN GOING TOWARDS THAT AREA, IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRESSURE ON THOSE SOCCER FIELDS, NOT ONLY IS IT A HUGE ONGOING MAINTENANCE COST MAYOR, BUT I MEAN, IT'S ALSO SOMETHING I'VE HEARD ABOUT SINCE 2021. I MEAN, DOES PHASE ONE IN ANY WAY RELIEVE PRESSURE ON ANY OF THE THREE BIG PLACES WHERE SOCCER'S PLAYED? RIGHT NOW, PHASE TWO OR THE CURRENT? NO. PHASE ONE, THE CURRENT, WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN BUILT? OKAY. PHASE ONE TRULY IS JUST A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD. IT WAS NOT DESIGNED AS A SOCCER FIELD. IT WAS DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE TO COME PLAY, UTILIZE THAT SPACE. AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE GOING OUT THERE. OKAY. UM, BUT IS IT RELIEVING PRESSURE? NO, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE SOCCER GOLD SET UP. WE DO NOT HAVE THE FIELDS MARKED. UM, THEY ARE NOT GAME OR, OR PLAY QUALITY FIELDS WHEN IT COMES TO SOCCER. AND SO, DON, YVONNE, I MEAN, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I GUESS DEPENDING ON WHERE THE GALLATIN PLAZA FOUNTAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE IN GENERAL WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE PLAN, AND IN FACT, I LIKE ALMOST ALL OF IT. I THINK IT'S THE BEST [02:05:01] SOLUTION TO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE WITH ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT OPINIONS. WHAT I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IF THERE'S LIKE A, SOME WAY TO J RIG THIS TO LIKE A 1.5 TO RELIEVE PRESSURE ON PARKS, WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF ONGOING, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR YEARS AND YEARS NOW. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY MIND IS HEADED BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, UM, I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE AND IT'S A LONG TIME TO WAIT TO RELIEVE THAT PRESSURE ON SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS, INCLUDING OTHER PARTS OF BRECKENRIDGE PARK. THAT'S, THAT WAS JUST MY MAYOR PRO HONOR. JUST A QUESTION ON TO, TO KIND OF, UM, LOOK AT AND POSSIBLY MAYBE COME TO A, A MIDDLE GROUND, UM, ON THE PICKLE WALL COURTS. COULD, COULD WE LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, IS IF WE DID THE FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS, THE FENCING AND SCREENS, PICKLEBALL, AMENITIES, PICKLEBALL SHADE, BUT MAYBE FOR, FOR THE MOMENT, NOT DO THE LIGHTING AND THE ADDITIONAL PARKING. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE, THERE IS, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF STREET THERE. I MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THAT MIGHT WE, WE'D HAVE IT MAY, THERE MAY, WE MIGHT START TO CREATE AN UPSETNESS, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE NEIGHBORS. AND I, AND I GET THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING TO ME, I WOULD THINK THAT THE LIGHTING AND THE PARKING WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE OF THE EXPENSIVE OUT OF THE 1.6 THAT YOU HAVE LISTED HERE. I'M JUST WONDERING IF, COULD WE, COULD WE GET HALFWAY, IF YOU WILL, OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALFWAY? UM, I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE PLAY PICKLE BALL AFTER, AFTER DARK. I MEAN, THE WINTER MONTH'S PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH. 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE COLD SUMMER MONTHS. IT STAYS LIGHT TILL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A, A MIDDLE GROUND. I JUST THROW IT OUT THERE AS, AS MAYBE A MIDDLE GROUND THAT WOULD BE A, A NEGO, I DON'T WANNA SAY NEGOTIATE IT, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD TO USE, BUT A, A MIDDLE GROUND, WE JUST THAT. AND IF I COULD INTERJECT ON THAT, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE INSTEAD OF TAKING THE LIGHTS AWAY IS MAYBE TAKING THE SHADE STRUCTURES AWAY. THE SHADE WAS AN ELEMENT THAT DURING THE SUMMER IT HELPS TO REDUCE THAT HEAT. BUT DURING THE, THE YEAR WHEN IT GETS DARK SO EARLY, HAVING THOSE FACILITIES NOT LIGHTED WOULD REDUCE ALL PLAY OPPORTUNITIES AT THAT POINT. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU KEEP THE LIGHTING. IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE ACTUAL SHADE STRUCTURE FOR THAT COMPLEX. THE PARKING, I DO BELIEVE IS ESSENTIAL BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT PARKING, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A BOTTLENECK IN THAT PARK, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE HEAVY CRICKET PLAYERS AT THAT LOCATION WITH THE NEW PLAYGROUND. AND ONCE YOU SEE IT, IT'S ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. BUT THAT PLAYGROUND WILL BRING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND THEN THAT PAVILION IS ALSO A RENTABLE SPACE. OKAY. I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME KIND OF A UNDERSTOOD, A NEGOTIATED YES POINT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY DIVER DEFER, EXCUSE ME, TO YOUR EXPERTISE ON THAT. UM, AND WHEN WE, UM, SHARE THESE NUMBERS LATER IN JANUARY, WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THAT BREAKDOWN IS AND POTENTIALLY PULL OUT THE SHADE STRUCTURE AND, AND SHOW WHAT THAT SAVINGS COULD BE. OKAY. THANKS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FIN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING. I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THAT GALLATIN PLAZA IS UNKNOWN NUMBER THERE, SO HAVING A NUMBER ON THE BOND, THERE'S UNKNOWN NUMBER REALLY, REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. UH, IF WE HAVE THE OTHER NEED AND BACK IN RIDGE PARK CONNECTING THE BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL OPEN UP PEOPLE WALKING THAT AREA A LOT MORE. UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WISH ALL MY LIFE THAT I HAD MORE MONEY. IF I HAD MORE MONEY THAN COULD HAVE DONE MORE. THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM. UH, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO PRINT THE MONEY HERE. UH, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVEN IF, IF IT BECOME LIKE ONE PERSON CAP IN THE FUTURE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WILL HAPPEN. I DON'T WANNA BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT I DON'T LIKE, UH, BUT SERVICES THAT WE NEED, WE JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE THOSE AND GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AND THEY GET THE MONEY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT US. SO NOBODY ELSE IS GETTING THE SERVICE. IT'S, WE ARE GETTING THE SERVICE. WE ARE ALL GETTING THE SERVICE. SO HAVING A POOL, DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TOWN, IT'S IMPORTANT. BUT AGAIN, SOMETIMES ONCE YOU GIVE THEM SOMETHING, AND IF YOU TRY TO TAKE IT AWAY, PEOPLE GET UPSET. MM-HMM. SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. IF WE HAD FOUR POLE POOL IN FOUR PART OF THE TOWN, IT WOULD WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY WONDERFUL. BUT WE HAVE MORE. WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE DOWN SOME. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE. BUT ANYWAY, FOR NOW, I THINK IF WE, I AGREE WITH, UH, OUR MAYOR, SOME OF THE THING THAT WE DON'T WANNA BUILD SOMETHING THAT WILL INCREASE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE THE FUND ISSUE, INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATING COST. UH, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT, UH, TO THINK, UH, BEFORE WE SAY SOMETHING. BECAUSE EMOTIONALLY, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES WE PROMISE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT CERTAIN FACILITY IN CERTAIN PARTS PART OF THE TOWN. BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE GONNA BE USING THAT? EVEN THOUGH THERE'S FAR IN THE CORNER, [02:10:02] ONLY FEW, MOST LIKELY OTHER CITIES, THEY'RE GONNA COME AND USE THOSE. UH, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM OTHERS USING THOSE, BUT IF WE HAD THAT MONEY, WE NEED TO PROVIDE FIRST TWO HOURS, NUMBER ONE. SO YEAH, IF WE CAN WORK ON THAT NUMBER AND THEN SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE EXPERT OPINION. WE CAN JUST TAKE OUT THE NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE AGE, UH, WE DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION. ONLY THE ENGINEERS AND OTHERS KNOW THE CONDITIONS. SO I'LL BE REALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THEIR, THEIR RECOMMENDATION INSTEAD OF TAKING OUT FROM THE LIST. BECAUSE 2011 VERSUS 2006, UH, AND, UH, IF WE HAVE A RECORD OF MAINTENANCE COST, THAT I KNOW THAT FOR WATERLINE SEWER LINE STREET, YOU DO HAVE RECORD THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MAINTENANCE REPAIR, HOW MANY BROKE, BROKEN PIPE SERVICE WE HAVE, IF IT BECOMES, IF THERE IS LIKE 20 SERVICE AND YOU REPAIR 10, IT'S A NO BRAINER THAT YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE WHOLE PIPE. UH, IF WE HAVE THOSE KIND OF NUMBER, UH, THEN WE CAN DECIDE. I THINK THE ENGINEER DECIDE, OKAY, IT'S NOT JUST THE AGE, IT'S MAINTENANCE COST IS GOING UP, SO WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT, THE WHOLE THING. UH, OTHERWISE THAT 30 YEAR MORTGAGE VERSUS, VERSUS 50 YEAR MORTGAGE, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION. WELL, I MEAN, THE, THE RHYTHM OF THIS AND A LOT OF OUR OTHER MAINTENANCE IS IMPORTANT THOUGH, BECAUSE, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SMOOTHING. I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN MAINTAIN THINGS LONGER THAN THE USEFUL LIFE, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, A, A SITUATION WHERE A BUBBLE OCCURS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TOO MUCH. AND SO THE, THE, THE AGE IS IMPORTANT. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, NO DIPS, NO, NO, NO, NO. UM, VALLEYS NO PEAKS KIND OF, KIND OF AN APPROACH TO THIS. THESE ARE THE EXPECTED, USEFUL LIFE. I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THE CONDITION OF EACH OF THESE, BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOU EXTEND THE CONDITION TOO LONG, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUBBLE. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, A COHORT OF PLAYGROUND PLAYGROUNDS THAT COME OF AGE WHERE IT'S GONNA CREATE AND TAKE A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THE BOND PROGRAM. I MEAN, THIS IS THE SAME APPROACH WE'VE USED WITH OUR FACILITIES AND OTHER, OTHER ASSETS. SO, UM, I THINK ALL OF THESE, UM, SEAN REPORTS THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT THEY DO ANNUALLY AS PART OF THEIR MAINTENANCE, UM, AS PART OF THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE BRIEFING. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THESE, UM, ACCOUNT, I BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE A COMBINATION OF BOTH AGE CONDITION ASSESSMENT, THINGS LIKE A DA COMPLIANCE, UH, OTHER, OTHER FEATURES THAT HAVE RESULTED IN, IN THAT LIST. TRUE. CORRECT. YEAH, NO, THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'S THE THING WE NEED TO LOOK, UH, INSTEAD OF CUTTING DOWN BECAUSE OF THE AGE WHEN IT WAS INSTALLED, WE NEED TO HAVE OTHER FACTOR TO LOOK. THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION. I THINK WE CAN REALLY GET EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH DONE OTHERWISE WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION. FAIR ENOUGH. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, THANK YOU. UM, I LIKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK THAT THAT CAPTURED IT WELL. UM, I'M HESITANT EVEN WITH SORT OF THE COMPROMISE IT WAS TRYING TO BE DEVELOPED TO, TO DO PICKLEBALL COURTS. THEY'RE SO FAR DOWN THE LIST AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS IN THE HIGH PRIORITIES THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING TO. UM, WE'RE GETTING TO A LOT OF THEM, BUT BE MY PREFERENCE THAT WE FOCUS OUR DOLLARS ON THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ITEMS, UM, IN, IN THAT LIST, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TARGETING EXACTLY WHAT THE PUBLIC ASK US FOR HERE. SO, UM, I LIKE, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SUGGESTED, UM, HITS THOSE OF THE SPRAY PADS, THE CONNECTIONS OF TRAILS TO THE CITY, UM, PLAYGROUND ELEMENTS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE ALL IN THE TOP EIGHT, UM, OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES. AND SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WELL FOCUSED ON WHAT OUR PLAN SAYS IF WE DO THOSE THINGS. UM, FOR NOW, UH, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH, AND I KNOW WE WILL DO SOME MORE WHITTLING WHENEVER WE GET TO THE ACTUAL DAY. SO FOR THE TIME BEING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY MOVING, UH, THE BRECKENRIDGE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. SO POTENTIALLY, SO APOLLO PHASE TWO COMES DOWN BRECKENRIDGE COMPLEX SPRAY GROUND, AS WELL AS THE BRIDGE GO MOVE UP. YEAH. UH, WE WILL LOOK AT POTENTIALLY RIGHT SIZING THE PLAYGROUNDS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT BRINGING YOU BACK A DIFFERENT FUNDING STRATEGY FOR GALLATIN, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH THE FINAL SOLUTION TURNS OUT TO BE. WHEN, WHEN DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA, WHEN WE'LL KNOW THOSE NUMBERS? THAT'S GONNA BE THE END OF THIS WEEK OR BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK. I SPOKE TO THE PRESIDENT TODAY, AND THAT'S WHAT HE SHARED WITH ME. SO, SO BEFORE WE BRING BACK THE FIRST, UM, UH, MULTI PROPOSITION REFINEMENT EXERCISE, WE'LL HAVE THAT. YEAH. PERFECT. GOOD ENOUGH FOR NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [7. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DRAINAGE NEEDS FOR CONSIDERATION IN A 2026 BOND PROGRAM] WE'LL MOVE ON TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DRAINAGE NEEDS FOR CONSIDERATION IN A 2026 BOND PROGRAM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNSEL, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE SAME APPROACH TO THIS, AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO NICK, WHO'S GONNA, UM, VERY, [02:15:01] IN A VERY PITHY WAY, RUN THROUGH THIS . I'LL TRY AND BE QUICK. UH, BUT AS MR. MAGNER MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE WILL BE A TEST. SO ANYWAY, UH, IN ALL SINCERITY, UH, THANK YOU MR. MAGNER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND, UM, GIVE A PRESENTATION ON OUR PROPOSED DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE 26 BOND PROGRAM. UH, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW ON SOME OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA HIT THIS EVENING. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, SOME OF OUR RECENT PROJECTS, UH, SOME OF OUR STUDIES AND CONDITION ASSESSMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL FINISH UP WITH OUR CANDIDATE PROJECTS. UH, SURE. Y'ALL KIND OF REMEMBER THIS FROM EARLIER THIS SUMMER FROM OUR DRAINAGE, UH, DEEP DIVE PRESENTATION DURING BUDGET. BUT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS MADE UP OF 12 DIFFERENT DRAINAGE BASINS, UH, WHICH ARE HUNT BRANCH, COTTONWOOD CREEK, FLOYD BRANCH, LOIS BRANCH, JACKSON BRANCH, ODELIA, DUCK CREEK, PRAIRIE CREEK, SPRING CREEK, BECK BRANCH, ROULETTE CREEK, AND MUDDY CREEK AT THE VERY END OF THE PANHANDLE. UH, WITHIN THOSE, THOSE DIFFERENT BASINS, WE HAVE 44 AND A HALF MILES OF CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, AS WELL AS, UH, OUR STORM DRAIN SYSTEM HAS MORE THAN 10,000 STORM DRAIN INLETS, AND WE HAVE 362 MILES OF STORM DRAIN PIPE. UH, OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS FALL INTO FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. UH, WE HAVE FLOOD PREVENTION, WHICH IS MORE LOCALIZED FLOODING THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT IS NOT FLOODPLAIN RELATED. THIS IS MORE WITHIN THE STREETS AND KIND OF CONFINES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. THEN WE ALSO HAVE BRIDGE AND CULVERTS, WHICH ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT IT HANDLES BRIDGES AS BRIDGE PROPER AS. AND THEN OUR LARGER CULVERTS, WHICH ARE BRIDGE CLASS CULVERTS BY DEFINITION ARE CULVERTS WITH A 20 FOOT SPAN OR, OR MORE. UH, THOSE TYPICALLY EXIST ON OUR ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE EROSION CONTROL, WHICH, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH KNOWS WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT'S JUST BASICALLY NATURAL THREATS, UM, FROM EROSION, UH, AGAINST VARIOUS PROPERTY. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR URBAN LAKES, UH, WHICH FOR THE MOST PART IS JUST DREDGING AND SPILLWAY MAINTENANCE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THOSE. AND OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS ARE TYPICALLY FUNDED FROM A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UH, SOURCES. MOST, UH, MOST OF OUR OPERATIONAL RELATED THINGS COME OUT OF OUR DRAINAGE UTILITY PROGRAM, WHICH, UH, BASICALLY COMES OUT OF OUR UTILITY BILLS OR THE RESIDENCE UTILITY BILLS. AND, UH, THE BUSINESSES, UH, WE USE THAT MONEY THAT IS LEVIED FROM THAT TO FUND STAFFING, OPERATIONAL COST, AND OUR SMALLER CAPITAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, UH, TYPICALLY AROUND $500,000, GIVE OR TAKE. UH, WE DO LOOK AT PROGRAMMING OUT PROJECTS, SO IF WE DO HAVE SOME LARGER ONES, WE'LL KIND OF BANK THE MONEY UNTIL WE CAN PAY FOR IT LIKE THAT. UH, THEY'RE SMALLER. USUALLY WE'LL CARRY IT OVER A YEAR OR TWO WITH THAT. AND THEN, LIKE EVERY, EVERYTHING, THERE'S ALWAYS UNEXPECTED THINGS THAT COME UP. SO IF WE HAVE SMALL, UH, UNEXPECTED, UH, HEADACHES THAT COME UP, WE WORK WITH, UH, CITY MANAGEMENT AND FINANCE, AND WE TRY AND COME UP WITH A SPECIAL MAINTENANCE INITIATIVE TO FUND THAT OUT OF A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE BEYOND THE DRAINAGE UTILITY PROGRAM. AND IF WE HAVE AN, A LARGER SCALE UNEXPECTED, UH, UH, PROJECT COME UP THAT IS REALLY URGENT AND THREATENS HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE'LL WORK WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND FINANCE, AND WE'LL TYPICALLY USE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION BONDS TO FUND THAT. AND THEN IF WE HAVE LARGER SCALE PROJECTS THAT ARE PLANNED, UM, OR WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A SPECIAL STRATEGY FOR THAT, WE'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND HAVE THAT PREPARED AS PART OF, UH, POTENTIAL BOND PROGRAM AND WHICH CASE WE'LL SELL, UH, GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. THE MAP HERE ON THE SCREEN KIND OF VISUALIZES ALL OF THE, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE ON A DRAINAGE FRONT, UH, STARTING WITH OUR 2015 BOND PROGRAM, OUR 21 BOND PROGRAM, AND THEN THE DRAINAGE, WHAT WE FUNDED OUTTA THE DRAINAGE UTILITY PROGRAM IN THAT SAME TIME PERIOD. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IN 2015, WE HAD THE HUNT BRANCH PROJECT, WHICH IS THE LITTLE YELLOW TRIANGLE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN THERE OFF A BELTLINE. AND THEN THE 21 BOND PROGRAM, THE GREEN TRIANGLE IS, UH, AT THE UTD CAMPUS AT CAMPBELL AND UNIVERSITY. THAT'S THE LARGE DETENTION POND THAT WE BUILT RIGHT THERE AS. AND THEN THE TWO GREEN LINES ARE EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS THAT WERE PART OF THE 21 BOUND PROGRAM, UM, AT, ON HUFFINES CREEK AND CHESTNUT CREEK. AND THEN WE HAVE A VARIETY OF, UH, VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT WE HANDLED WITH THE, THE, UH, DRAINAGE UTILITY PROGRAM. UH, WE DID A UTIL A DREDGING PROJECT OVER AT HUFFINES PARK. UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL, THE ORANGE TRIANGLES ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE ABOUT TO KICK OFF THAT ARE PART OF THE COTTONWOOD, UH, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROJECT. AND THEN WE'VE COMPLETED A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CULVERT IMPROVEMENTS AND EROSION CONTROL THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS WELL. AND KINDA MOVING ON, HOW DO WE PICK THESE PROJECTS? WE JUST PUT 'EM IN A HAT AND DRAW 'EM OUT. UM, NO, I WISH IT WAS THAT EASY. WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, WE'VE PERFORMED, UH, [02:20:01] DIFFERENT STUDIES AND CONDITION ASSESSMENTS ALONG THE WAY. UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN 2019, WE DID AN EROSION INVENTORY AS WELL AS AN URBAN LAKES INVENTORY. UH, AND THEN EVERY TWO YEARS, TDOT PERFORMS EVALUATION OF OUR BRIDGES AND OUR BRIDGE GLASS CULVERTS. AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT HAPPENED IN 20 19, 21, 23, 25. AND AS I MENTIONED DURING THE BUDGET, DEEP DIVE CITY STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF WRAPPING UP THE, UH, REASSESSMENT OF THE EROSION, UM, INVENTORY THAT'S, THAT'S GOING, UH, ONGOING. WE'LL HAVE THAT WRAPPED UP BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH. IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, CONDITION ASSESSMENTS, WE ALSO, UH, PERFORM WATERSHED STUDIES AND, UH, THAT LOOKS AT THE OVERALL WATERSHED, LOOKS AT OUR RISK WITHIN THE WATERSHED, AND IT PROPOSES CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE MORE LOCALIZED FLOODING AND HIGH RISK AREAS. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE, WE HAVE PUT QUITE A DENT IN THE 12 BASINS WITHIN THE CITY. UH, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO GO YET, BUT, UH, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE LION'S SHARE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THESE STUDIES. UH, THERE WERE SIX, SIX OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED TO DATE, AND A FAIR AMOUNT OF THEM ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, UH, THERE'S FIVE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE WERE, BY VIRTUE OF DOING SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, STUDY, WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE RECOMMENDED LIST AND RESOLVE THAT THROUGH SOME OTHER MEANS. UH, KINDA MOVING INTO OUR PRIORITIZATION. UH, WE HAVE FLOOD, FLOOD PREVENTION, UH, OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT. AND THAT'S, UH, LOWEST BRANCH AND HUNT BRANCH. AND THEN MOVING INTO OUR BRIDGES AND CULVERTS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CURRENTLY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE BOND PROGRAM. WE DO HAVE A BRIDGE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, DESIGNING AND USING SOME OF OUR RESIDUAL FUNDS FROM THE 21 BOND PROGRAM, SOME SAVINGS THAT WE HAD THERE. UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME EROSION CONTROL AS WELL AS WE HAVE AN URBAN LAKE, UH, PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL. UH, DELVING INTO THE FLOOD PREVENTION, WE HAVE LOIS BRANCH, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE DRAINAGE PROJECT BETWEEN SPRING VALLEY AND POLK. UH, BASICALLY THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN CREATES, UH, IMPACTS 17 HOMES, AND IT, UH, ALSO IMPACTS A COUPLE OF ADJACENT, UH, PIECES OF PROPERTY AS WELL. AND REALLY INUNDATES SEVERAL OF OUR RIGHT OF WAYS IN THIS AREA WITH, UH, SO THE OVERALL GOAL FOR THIS PROJECT IS TO IMPROVE THE CAPACITY OF OUR DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WITHIN THE EXISTING SYSTEM OR WITHIN THE EXISTING CHANNEL, EXCUSE ME, AS WELL AS UNDER LO LANE, UH, ITSELF, AND REDUCE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. WE'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH THAT BY IMPROVING CONVEYANCE AND ADDING UNDERGROUND DETENTION. UH, WE KNEW THIS PROJECT WAS GONNA BE VERY LARGE, SO TO DATE, WE HAD, UM, GIVEN A CONSULTANT A 30% DESIGN, UH, CONTRACT TO GET US TO THIS POINT SO THAT WE COULD REALLY HAVE PROOF OF CONCEPT AND HAVE, UH, RELATIVELY ACCURATE COSTS, COST ESTIMATES TO MOVE FORWARD. SO WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE GETTING INTO, AND I, AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE, BE THE INCREMENTAL BENEFITS, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THE TOTAL COST FOR THIS FROM STEM TO STERN IS $25.2 MILLION. UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE A LARGE PRICE TAG. SO WE LOOKED AT, UH, BREAKING THIS UP INTO A COUPLE OF PHASES, FOUR PHASES TO BE EXACT, UH, WITH PHASE ONE BEING CHANNEL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, INCLUDING STORM DRAIN AND SOME UNDERGROUND DETENTION WITHIN THAT, THAT STRETCH BETWEEN KIND OF STARTING 600 FEET DOWNSTREAM OF SPRING VALLEY, SO 600 FEET SOUTH OF SPRING VALLEY TO ABOUT 200 FEET DOWNSTREAM OF PITTMAN STREET. THAT'S, UH, PHASE ONE IN RED, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN THERE. THAT'S $4.9 MILLION. WE HAVE PHASE TWO OF THAT, WHICH IS AN EXTENSION OF THE CHANNEL, IMPROVEMENTS WITH DRAIN, UH, STORM DRAIN AND UNDERGROUND DETENTION AS WELL. UH, FROM 200 FEET DOWNSTREAM OF PITMAN TO HIGHLAND BOULEVARD, THAT'S ALSO $4.9 MILLION. PHASE THREE IS THE REMAINDER OF THAT. SO FROM HIGHLAND BOULEVARD UP 600 FEET NORTH OF FRANCIS WAY. UM, THAT'S THE FINAL PHASE. THAT'S $8.3 MILLION. AND THEN PHASE FOUR SHOWN IN BLUE IS IN, IS, UM, ADDITIONAL STORM DRAIN IMPROVEMENTS AND UNDERGROUND DETENTION UNDER LO LANE. UM, THAT'S ALSO OUR WATER AND SEWER RELOC, UH, REPLACEMENT AND ROTARY RECONSTRUCTION OF LOIS LANE. AND THAT COMES IN AT $7.1 MILLION. SO LOOKING AT THIS AND KIND OF LOOKING AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS COMBINATIONS TO GET THE MOST BANK FOR THE BUCK AND THE INCREMENTAL PHASE. WE LOOKED, UH, WE LOOKED AT PHASE ONE AND TWO PROVIDING US THE MOST AMOUNT OF BENEFIT. UH, BASICALLY [02:25:01] THAT, WHAT THAT DOES, I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT OF WATER, BUT BY IMPLEMENTING THIS, WE CAN REMOVE ONE HOUSE COMPLETELY FROM THE FLOODPLAIN AND THREE PARTIAL HOUSES, UH, FROM THE FLOODPLAIN. AND I GUESS WE'RE ENGINEERS, WE LIKE TO SPEAK AND GIVE OURSELF AS MUCH LATITUDE AS POSSIBLE. BUT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THE THREE PARTIAL HOUSES, UH, THE MODEL IS BASED ON, UH, LIDAR ELEVATION DATA, AND THAT IS VERY MUCH AN INDUSTRY STANDARD ON HOW THE MODEL IS CREATED. THE ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T, WE DON'T HAVE IS THE ACTUAL FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATIONS FOR THOSE THREE HOUSES THAT ARE, WE'RE CALLING PARTIAL HOUSES. SO THERE IS ACTUALLY POTENTIAL THAT SOME OF THOSE WOULD ACTUALLY BE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AS WELL WITH THIS. UM, IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT CALL AT THIS POINT. UM, THE OTHER BENEFITS THAT WOULD BE PRO, UH, PROVIDED WITH THIS, UH, SCENARIO, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOWER THE OVERALL WATER SURFACE ELEVATION ON AVERAGE, A QUARTER TO A THIRD OF A FOOT THROUGHOUT THE, UH, AREA HERE THAT'S IMPACTED, UM, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE TO FOUR INCHES. UM, THAT PLAYS THAT, THAT HELPS PUBLIC SAFETY OUT QUITE A BIT, THAT MAKES THE ROADS MORE TRAVERSABLE DURING THAT TIME. IF THEY EVER HAD AN EMERGENCY DURING TIME OF PEAK FLOOD, UH, WE'D BE ABLE TO GET, UH, THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE POLICE CRUISERS OR FIRE TRUCKS WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THERE. UH, SO ANYWHERE WE CAN REDUCE FLOOD WATERS IS, IS A GOOD THING. UM, WITH THE OVERALL RECOMMENDATION KIND OF COMING IN AT 9.8 MILLION FOR BOTH THOSE PHASES. AND THEN ONE OTHER THING THAT'S WORTH POINTING OUT, WE DID LOOK AT AN EXERCISE TO, UH, PURCHASE THE HOUSES OUTRIGHT AND KNOCK THE HOUSES DOWN AND RAISE THE, RAISE THE, UH, BUILDING PAD SITES WITH THE IDEA THAT WE COULD RESELL THOSE LOTS THAT CAME IN AT ABOUT 19.2 MILLION. UM, SOUNDS GOOD FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT. HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY BENEFIT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOODING, YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE INUNDATED. UM, ANY, YOU DON'T GET THE RECONSTRUCTION OF LOIS LANE, WHICH IS PART OF THAT AGGREGATED $25 MILLION PRICE TAG. SO, UH, WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND FEEL IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE PRUDENT TO KINDA GO THIS WAY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE. MOVING ON TO THE SECOND PROJECT IN THE FLOOD PREVENTION, UH, CATEGORY IS THE HUNT BRANCH PHASE TWO PROJECT. UH, HUNT BRANCH DOES CREATE A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION, UH, AS LOIS LANE. IT BASICALLY FLOODED BETWEEN CHERRYWOOD AND BELTLINE. WE, UH, AND THAT DID HAVE RISK FOR SOME HOMES AND BUSINESSES ADJACENT TO THAT, THAT, UH, AREA. SO WE, AS PART OF THE 2015 BOMB PROGRAM DESIGNED THE ENTIRE PROJECT. HOWEVER, ONCE IT WAS DESIGNED AND THE SCALE OF IT, UH, WAS REALLY KNOWN, WE HAD TO CARVE THAT UP INTO TWO PHASES JUST TO GET IT TO FIT WITHIN BUDGET. UH, PHASE ONE IS NEARLY COMPLETE. THE, UH, BASICALLY DURING THAT, AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, WE CONSTRUCTED AN 11 FOOT BY SIX FOOT BOX CULVERT ACROSS BELT LINE FROM COTTONWOOD CR UH, COTTONWOOD PARK UP TO, UH, JUST NORTH OF THE PUMP STATION, WHERE THE DITCH KIND OF COMES IN ON THE WEST SIDE AND TIES IN. UH, THAT PROJECT, UH, TOOK THE FLOODING, WHICH WAS ABOUT THREE FEET DEEP FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT, AND REDUCED THAT DOWN TO A FOOT AND A HALF. SO IT MADE A BASICALLY HAL THE, UH, IMPACT THAT WE HAVE FROM THE FLOODING. AND WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO IS IN THE GREEN LINE, WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT, THAT WILL GO UP COTTONWOOD TO CHERRYWOOD WITH THE REMAINING, UH, STORM DRAIN IMPROVEMENTS. IT'LL ALSO REPLACE THE CULVERT AT CHERRYWOOD, AND THAT'LL BASICALLY GET RID OF ALL OF OUR FLOODING, UH, HAZARD THAT WE HAVE IN THAT GENERAL AREA. UH, COST FOR, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IS $4 MILLION. KIND OF SHIFTING GEARS INTO THE EROSION CONTROL, UH, TYPE PROJECTS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, STAFF IS WRAPPING UP OUR, UM, REASSESSMENT OF THE CREEKS AND KIND OF LOOKING AT THE, UH, VARIOUS, WE HAVE A, AS I MENTIONED DURING THE DEEP DIVE, WE HAVE 140 SITES, UH, IN THE HIGH END MEDIUM CATEGORY FROM OUR PREVIOUS, UH, ASSESSMENT THAT WAS PERFORMED IN 2019. AND UP TO THIS POINT, WE HAD ONLY ACCOMPLISHED FOUR, UH, FOUR OF THOSE LOCATIONS. SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT ALL 323 OF THEM THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY. UM, SO WE JUST FOCUSED ON THE HIGH AND MEDIUM, UH, CATEGORIES, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE, UH, WE'RE REEVALUATING THOSE AND THEN WE'RE REPRIORITIZING THOSE, LOOKING AT THE, UH, SEVERITY AND THE RISKS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT TO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, MOST OF OUR ROCHE CONTROL PROJECTS ARE GABON. I I THINK ANYBODY THAT'S SPENT ANY TIME ADJACENT TO OUR CREEKS, THAT IS ONE OF OUR STANDARD METHODS. THEY'RE TRIED AND TRUE, THEY'RE RELIABLE. UH, WE DO HAVE IN SOME ISOLATED POCKETS, SOME OTHER TYPES OF EROSION CONTROL. UM, CONCRETE, UH, RIP WRAP, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN BY THE, UM, FLOYD BRANCH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THERE IS CONCRETE RIP WRAP ALONG THAT BANK TO STABILIZE THAT. UH, SO THAT IS KIND OF DEPENDENT ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THAT POINT. [02:30:01] UM, ONE OF OUR METHODS, UH, WE DO ON AVERAGE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A RESIDENTIAL LOT WHERE WE HAVE TO PROTECT IT WITH GABON, TYPICALLY THAT'S GONNA RUN ABOUT $500,000, UH, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, THE LENGTH AND HEIGHT OF THE, THE GIAN STRUCTURE. SO WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, LOOKING AT ABOUT $3 MILLION. UH, AND THAT WOULD KNOCK OFF ABOUT SIX OF OUR TOP. WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT SIX OF OUR, UH, TOP PRIORITY PROJECTS WITH THAT. AND THEN MOVING INTO OUR URBAN LAKES CATEGORY, WHICH IS THE PRAIRIE CREEK MARSH. UH, WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ELEMENT, UH, HOPE MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. THIS IS, UH, THE MARSH THAT IS JUST NORTH OF RENNER ROAD, UH, OVER BY THE SYNERGY INTERSECTION. UH, THIS WAS REALLY FROM, BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, THIS WAS DESIGNED AS A, UH, SILTATION FOUR BAY FOR THE EXISTING, UH, DETENTION STRUCTURE THAT IS, THAT IS LOCATED THERE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE OUTLET STRUCTURE AT, UH, IT'S JUST SOUTH OF RENTER ON GREENSIDE DRIVE AT THE, AT THE INTERSECTION THERE. BUT THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM, UM, OR EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, THE MARSH WAS REALLY DESIGNED AS A, AS A FOUR BAY, AS I MENTIONED. AND THEN DECADES AGO WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT KIND OF CAME IN, SILTATION CAME DOWN PRAIRIE CREEK, AND IT FILLED IN THAT, THAT FORAY, AND IT BASICALLY DID WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO. UM, IT COLLECTED ALL THE SILT THERE, RATHER THAN LETTING IT DISPERSE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE POND TO TRY AND EASE THE, UH, REMOVAL OF IT. WHEN TIME, WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT TIME CAME, UH, WELL IT'S KINDA GOTTEN TO THAT POINT. UH, WE ALSO, AS, AS PART OF OUR RESEARCH EFFORTS, MET WITH SOME OF THE, UH, LOCAL RESIDENTS AND, UM, CONSERVATIONISTS AND, AND NATURALISTS IN THE AREA, AND KINDA GOT THEIR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WERE HOPING, UH, TO SEE HAPPEN WITH THE MARSH. AND WE THINK IF WE DO THE DREDGING AT THIS LOCATION, WE COULD, UM, PROVIDE SOME, UH, GRADING AND SUCH THAT FUTURE PROJECTS COULD KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT WITH OTHER INITIATIVES FOR HABITAT AND OTHER THINGS THAT KIND OF PAIR WITH THE GOALS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. UH, BUT THE DREDGING IS A VERY EXPENSIVE, UM, ENDEAVOR. THE, UM, THIS PROJECT ALONE IS $11.1 MILLION. UM, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, PERMITTING AND DISPOSAL OF THE MATERIAL. UH, I THINK IT IS REALLY WORTH NOTING THAT, UH, THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, UM, WITH A VERY INCREMENTAL BENEFIT TO IT. UM, THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF STORAGE THAT WE WOULD RECLAIM IN THE DETENTION POND, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE IS SOME OF THE, WE ARE STARTING TO GET SOME OF THE SILT THAT IS ABOVE THE WATER LINE, AND IT'S NO LONGER JUST PART OF THE DEAD STORAGE THERE. UM, BUT THERE'S NO GREAT METRIC IF WE DREDGE THIS, THERE'S NO GREAT METRIC THAT IS GOING TO SHOW WE'RE REMOVING HOUSES FROM THE FLOODWAY OR FLOODPLAIN OR WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO STOP SO MUCH DOWNSTREAM EROSION FROM HAPPENING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY IS GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA GIVE US A WHOLE LOT OF RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT I GUESS ALL THAT BEING SAID, KINDA MOVING INTO OUR, UH, SUMMARY OF, OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, OUR FLOOD PREVENTION AT, UH, 22 POINT, OR EXCUSE ME, $29.2 MILLION, WHICH TAKES IN THE LOWEST BRANCH AND HUB BRANCH PROJECT, OUR RO CONTROL AT $3 MILLION. AND OUR, UH, URBAN LAKES AT 11.1. UH, MUCH LIKE THE OTHER, UH, GROUPS, WE DID LOOK AT, UH, INCLUDING AN ESCALATION FACTOR. WE USED, UH, 5% COMPOUNDING, UM, THROUGH OUR PROGRAM. AND, UH, THAT, THAT EQUATES ABOUT $7 MILLION. AND THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL DRAINAGE PROGRAM TO 50.3 MILLION. AND, UM, THE BLOCKING EXERCISE THAT WAS PUT FORTH ON OCTOBER 6TH, WE REALLY SET TARGETS FOR ABOUT 15 TO $20 MILLION. SO WITH THAT, WE KIND OF PUT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER, UH, TO MATCH THAT. AND, UH, CAME UP WITH THE $15 MILLION CATEGORY. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LOWEST BRANCH, PHASE ONE AND TWO PROJECTS, AND THEN, UH, THE TOTAL WITH THE ESCALATION AT 11.4 MILLION. AND THEN LOOKING AT EROSION CONTROL, UM, AT 3 MILLION WITH ESCALATION 3.5 MILLION. UH, IF, IF THE DESIRE WAS TO GO TO THE $20 MILLION OPTION, UH, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF AN ADDITIVE SOLUTION LIKE MANY OF THE OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS WE'RE DOING. UH, WE WOULD, WE'D HAVE ALL THE THINGS IN THE $15 MILLION CATEGORY AND THEN ADD IN THE HUNT BRANCH PHASE TWO PROJECT AS WELL AT 4.6 MILLION. UM, WITH THE REMAINING PROJECTS BEING THE LOWEST BRANCH, PHASE THREE AND FOUR, AND PRAIRIE CREEK BEING UNFUNDED, UH, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THESE PROJECTS ARE VERY LARGE IN PRICE TAG RELATIVE TO THE CATEGORIES, SO THEY DON'T EXACTLY TIE OFF VERBATIM 15 AND 20 MILLION. [02:35:01] SO THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THIS AS WELL THAT MIGHT HELP FACILITATE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION Y'ALL HAD EARLIER WITH THE PARKS PROGRAM. UM, BUT I KIND IS, I'M WINDING UP HERE AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME AT THIS POINT. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, I MEAN, I LOVE HOW, I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT SIMPLER THAN THE PARKS AS FAR AS THE OPTIONS WE'RE BEING GIVEN, SO I I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THAT IS REALLY HELPED BY THE EROSION CONTROL JUST BEING ITS OWN CATEGORY AND NOT TO DIVIDED IT OUT INTO PROJECTS YET. I MEAN, THE ONLY, I GUESS THE ONLY COMMENT I'LL HAVE, AND I YEAH, I'LL GO WITH WHATEVER STAFF FEELS IS THE BIGGEST URGENCY, BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, I HAVE BEEN PELTED ALMOST MONTHLY WITH, UH, THE PRAIRIE, THE PRAIRIE CREEK EROSION RIGHT THERE. UM, JUST ALONG, YOU KNOW, THAT POINT NORTH SECTION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FALLS ON THE, THE LIST YES OR NO, BUT I MEAN, IF, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ME, I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF WE'RE TWEAKING THINGS AND ANOTHER HALF MILLION DOLLARS GETS THAT, AND IT'S LIKE NUMBER SEVEN, I MEAN THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE FEATHER IN THE CAP FOR ME. THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. I MEAN, OTHERWISE I'M, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I SEE HERE. COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. BUT ONE POSITION IS THAT, I KNOW YOU HAVE SHOWN SOME SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT THE WATER SURFACES THE FLOODING EXTENT, UH, GUESS THE, THIS ONE? THIS ONE, YEAH. SO WOULD BE NICE IF YOU HAD ANOTHER SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT AFTER, IF YOU DO THESE PROJECTS, THIS WILL, THIS BLUE NICE COLOR WILL REDUCE THIS MUCH IF YOU DO ANOTHER ONE, THIS IS GONNA BE THIS AND THEN IT IS GONNA GO AWAY. UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, NON-ENGINEERS IS VERY HELPFUL TO SEE. YES, SIR. AND, UH, THE MAP WE RECEIVED FROM THE CONSULTANT WAS NOT VERY PRETTY OR EASY TO INTERPRET. IT WAS . OKAY. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EASY THINGS. I MEAN, WE ALWAYS PRODUCE THESE KIND OF THINGS AND WE, WE GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE THINGS, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THAT 1.5 FEET TO FROM TWO FEET TO ONE FEET, WATER DROP, TO ME IT'S LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT TAKES OUT WATER FROM THE HOUSES, IT MAKES GOOD SENSE, BUT IF IT IS STILL THE LAKE, YOUR WATER DROPS IS A BAD THING. I WANNA SEE LEG FULL, BUT NOT THE HOUSE FULL WITH WATER. SO, AGREED. UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT, HELPFUL. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR THE ION CONTROL THAT YOU HAVE, YOU ARE ESTIMATING LIKE SIX HOUSES, SIX LOT. UH, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN, WE DON'T KNOW THE LOCATION, BUT SOMETIMES IF YOU TRY TO PROTECT SOME OF THE LOTS, IT'LL CREATE EROSION FROM OTHER TO OTHER LOTS. SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS, UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE MODEL IS NOT GOING TO SHOW EXACTLY IT'S GONNA ERROR OR NOT. THOSE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO LOOK, UH, IT'LL CREATE PROBLEM, UH, IF YOU ARE NOT LOOKING THE WHOLE STRETCH. SO I WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN ADJUST SOME OF THE MONEY TO ADD MORE FLOW. IF, IF THAT TAKES CARE, WE DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE ENGINEER, YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE OUR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW IT, THAT THERE IS NO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE, OH, THIS LOOKS GOOD, GREEN, RED, WE DECIDE WHAT, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. SO RECOMMENDATION IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH THIS, UH, NOW, BUT I'M GLAD ALSO YOU LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, BUYING OPTION, THOSE SUM OF THE LOT VERSUS IMPROVING SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT THE COST, WHICH ONE IS BETTER. SO YOU REALLY HAVE LOOKED ALL UNDERGROUND DETENTION. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT IN THIS AREA THERE ARE LOTS OF NEW HOUSES COMING UP. THEY'RE TEARING UP THE OLD HOUSE, NEW HOUSE BUILDING. YES, SIR. SO WHEN THEY COME FOR THE PERMIT, ARE YOU GUYS GIVING THEM THE FLOOD PLAN ELEVATION THAT WHAT SHOWS ON THE MODEL SO THAT THEY CAN ADJUST THEIR FINISHED FLOOR? YEAH, SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, IN WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN DOES GO THROUGH THE, UM, FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WE'RE AT TWO FEET ABOVE THE, UH, BASE FLOOD ELEVATION TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO ISSUE ON THAT FRONT. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I THINK, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, GOOD THING WE HAVE NOT SEEN BIG FLOOD LAST 20 YEARS IN MY, I DON'T REMEMBER. HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT THERE'S A HUNDRED YEARS FLOOD, SO THANK YOU. YES, SIR. NOT PROBLEM. COUNCIL MEMBER BOEZ. [02:40:01] THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, CAN WE GO TO SLIDE 13? SURE. THE, AND MAYBE, SORRY, I WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED THIS, BUT ON THIS SLIDE IT SHOWS 11.1 ESTIMATED COST, BUT THEN IT SHOWS 12.9 ON, ON THE LAST SLIDE. SURE. SO ALL OF THESE SLIDES HERE IN THE DECK WITH THE EX, UM, UNTIL WE GET TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TODAY'S COST. THE ESCALATION IS ADDED WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL SLIDE. THAT'S WHY THE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER ON THE LAST SLIDE. THAT'S SCARED TO THINK IT'S GOING UP THAT MUCH IN COST, BUT I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU FOR BEING IN, I'M SURE THAT'S A, UH, CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR WORST CASE SCENARIO TYPE THING. SO I APPRECIATE IT. YES. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE CAN BUILD EVERYTHING WE, WE PROMISE WE'RE GOING TO THANK YOU. HELP ME UNDERSTAND, AND I SURE. THIS PRAIRIE CREEK MARSH, UM, THIS SOUNDS FASCINATING TO ME AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S, HOW IT TIES INTO DRAINAGE. AND THIS MIGHT BE A, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD, I GUESS I WAS THINKING, I KNOW THAT THE LAKES WE HAVE WITHIN SOME OF OUR PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE, COTTONWOOD PARK, WE HAVE THE LITTLE LAKE THERE. I KNOW THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE HUNT BRANCH AND THAT'S PART OF THE DRAINAGE. RIGHT? UM, AND I KNOW SIMILAR SITUATION IN A LOT OF OUR PARKS THAT HAVE THESE SMALLER LAKES THAT ARE DETENTION PONDS AND HELP CONTROL THE WATER FLOW INTO OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, ESPECIALLY DURING HEAVY RAINS ARE, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN MENTIONS IN THE PAST OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE I THINK IT, IF EVER, ARE WE GONNA LOOK AT DREDGING OUT THOSE LAKES BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH SILK BUILDUP IS THAT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THAT AS A PARKS ISSUE, BUT THEN HEARING THIS, I'M LIKE, OH, IS THAT MORE OF A DRAINAGE DISCUSSION OR IS THAT AT PARKS? DOES THAT, I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU EVER HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH YVONNE? IS THAT, AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK TO LARGELY FREEDOM HERE, BUT I'M JUST THINKING AHEAD TO FUTURE BONDS AND HOW THAT CONVERSATION PLAYS IN. AND I, I GUESS, UH, MR. MAGNER, IF I OVERSTEPPED THIS, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE ENGINEERING HAS ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF THAT IN THE PAST. OKAY. WITH, UH, UH, I THINK PRIMARILY BOND PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECTS TO, TO PERFORM. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PERFORM WITH OUR DRAINAGE UTILITY FUND OR OPERATIONAL FUNDS. UH, YOU KNOW, $11.1 MILLION. NOW GRANTED, THIS IS A RATHER LARGE, UH, LOCATION, UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE ATYPICAL, BUT EVEN THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE, UH, UH, INVENTORY THAT WAS DONE AT THE URBAN, THE URBAN LAKES, THEY'RE FIVE, $6 MILLION. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP ENDEAVORS. UH, THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE PERMITTING AND THE DISPOSAL FEE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. UM, TYPICALLY THE SEDIMENT IS, UH, IT RECEIVES A LOT OF POLLUTANT LOADING. UM, WITH STORM WATER. THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS AND IT SETTLES OUT IN THE LAKES, AND THAT HAS TO BE DISPOSED OF PROPERLY. UM, THE, A LOT OF THE LAKES, I, I GUESS ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS NOT ALL OF THE LAKES ARE ACTUALLY DETENTION PONDS. THEY'RE JUST LIKE AN ENOUGH EXTENSION OF THE WATERWAY. SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SILTING IN, DOESN'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL STORM WATER BENEFIT OTHER THAN WATER QUALITY. UH, OKAY. SO AS FAR AS FLOOD CAPACITY OR THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, STORMWATER DETENTION, LIKE THIS ONE HERE. THIS DOES HAVE, UH, I THINK THIS IS A LASER POINTER, I GUESS NOT. UH, BUT THAT OUTLET STRUCTURE, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE JUST DOWNSTREAM OR JUST, UH, SOUTH OF THE, UH, THE GLENSIDE, UH, OR GREENSIDE INTERSECTION THERE OFF OF REER, THAT IS A DAM THAT BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT HOLDS BACK. THERE'S AN OUTLET STRUCTURE AND IT METERS THE FLOW DOWNSTREAM SO THAT IT, WE KIND OF METER THAT, THAT STORM WATER DOWN. UM, SO IT'S NOT FLOODING EVERYTHING DOWNSTREAM. NOT EVERY ONE OF OUR URBAN LAKES HAS THAT. UM, SOME OF IT IS JUST PURELY AN AESTHETIC ELEMENT. UM, SO THAT'S INTERESTING. OKAY. AND I GUESS THAT WAS, I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER. 'CAUSE WHEN THINKING ABOUT THIS HUNT BRANCH PHASE TWO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL HUNT BRANCH PHASE TWO, HOW IS, I KNOW PHASE ONE IS ON CURRENTLY BEING FINISHED UP. YES, SIR. UH, GREAT JOB ON ALL THAT. IT'S LOOKING GREAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT, YOU KNOW, DOES IT BENEFIT TO DO PHASE TWO WHEN YOU STILL HAVE ALL THAT SEDIMENT AND IT SEEMS LIKE LESS VOLUME CAPACITY WHEN IT'S SILTED THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A WATER QUALITY THING. IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE FLOW YES. AT THAT LOCATION. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT'S A DETENTION POND. OKAY. AT THAT LOCATION. THAT'S JUST A FLOW THROUGH. OKAY. OKAY. I APPRECIATE, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. UM, OH, I WILL SAY, UM, I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILMAN CORCORAN'S, UH, COMMENTS. I'M OPEN TO SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE AND, UM, OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND I'D BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING ADDING HUNT BRANCH TWO INTO, UM, THE DISCUSSION AS WELL. UH, [02:45:02] I'LL JUST KIND OF MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. UH, THIS IS A SPACE THAT'S PRETTY NEAR AND DEAR TO ME. UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, SPENT NOW CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME IN IT. WHAT'S, WHAT'S INTERESTING, IT'S, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY COMMON WITH ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITIES HERE, IS THIS IS, UH, THE PRAIRIE CREEK MARSH THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. YES, SIR. HAPPENS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PLACE THAT'S A MAJOR DRAW FOR THE REGION. UM, I, I, I WOULD COMPARE TO SOME DEGREE TO JOHN SANDS AT A MUCH SMALLER LEVEL, BUT IT HAS MANY OF THE SAME WETLAND EFFORTS OR ELEMENTS TO IT. UM, THERE'S A WHOLE EFFORT GOING ON IN DALLAS TO CREATE A DALLAS WATER COMMONS. UH, AND SOME OF THE LEAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THOSE TWO, UH, EFFORTS HAVE COME AND SPENT TIME AT THIS PRAIRIE CREEK MARSH. THEY SEE THAT WETLAND ABILITY AND, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALTHOUGH I RECOGNIZE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UH, MAKE A, A, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, A MEASURABLE, UH, DIFFERENCE IN YOUR, UH, ESTIMATION FROM A, UH, CAPACITY PERSPECTIVE. THIS WHOLE DREDGING THING, IF YOU IMAGINE A TRASH CAN THAT YOU PUT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AREA AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE TRASH CAN WAS ALL THE WAY FULL. I MEAN, WE'RE CLOSING IN ON ALL THE WAY FULL AND WE HAVE WAITED MANY, MANY YEARS TO EMPTY IT, OR IN THIS CASE, DREDGE, UM, THE STUFF. AND WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THE EXPENSES BECAUSE IT'S STARTING TO ACCUMULATE STUFF THAT'S NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH FOR OUR NORMAL TRASH PLACES WHERE WE COULD DUMP, UH, UH, THINGS LIKE DREDGING BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENTS TO IT. UM, I, I WOULD SUBMIT, ALTHOUGH FROM AN ROI PERSPECTIVE, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, WASTEWATER OR, OR STORMWATER, UH, CAPACITY, IT, IT DOESN'T MEET THAT MARK, BUT I THINK IT MEETS A DIFFERENT MARK, WHICH IS THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY CREATE A TRULY, UM, EVEN MORE AMAZING NATURE AREA THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY THAT MOST OF US PROBABLY DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT OR HAVEN'T SPENT ANY KIND OF TIME IN. UH, I'D BEEN HERE ALMOST 20 YEARS BEFORE I EVEN SET FOOT IN THE AREA AND HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS EVEN THERE. UM, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MASSIVELY INTERESTING AMENITY THAT TO SOME DEGREE, TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS POINT ALMOST WELL BORDERS THE IDEA OF WHAT YOU DO HERE IS ALMOST LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BRECKENRIDGE, UM, THE POND, BRECKENRIDGE, TO BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED TO ITS FULL CAPACITY. UH, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IS IT'S A INCREDIBLY UNIQUE NATURAL SPACE THAT ACTUALLY HAS PRETTY, UH, IMPRESSIVE BIODIVERSITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROJECTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, THIS WILL BE ONE THAT I'LL BE CONTINUING TO KIND OF PUT AN EYE ON, SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO START FINDING A WAY TO MOVE IT UP UP OUR, UH, LADDER SOMEHOW. I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S AT LEAST INCLUDED IN THE DISCUSSION. AND SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, AND FOR THAT. AND HOPEFULLY OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UM, UH, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN'T GET MORE AND MORE EYEBALLS IN THAT AREA SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, UH, IT HAS OTHER VALUES THAN JUST, UH, THE DREDGING ELEMENT OR, OR JUST THE WATER STORM WATER CAPACITY ELEMENT. SO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING IT. UH, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT, YES. COUNCIL MEMBERS. YEAH, LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION. THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT JUST A LOCAL ISSUE. THERE IS THIS, IS THIS POSSIBLE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET SOME GRANT, UH, MONEY FOR THIS KIND OF PROJECTS? IT'S A GREAT, I THINK THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE SUITABLE FOR THOSE KIND OF PROGRAM THAN BOND PROGRAM. UH, I DON'T DISAGREE. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL GRANTS THROUGH THE COG, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE COULD, WE COULD TRY TO LEVERAGE. SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY. IT, IT'S A, A GOOD PROJECT THAT WE COULD, WE COULD DEFINITELY TRY TO LEVERAGE REGIONAL DOLLARS. I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH, UH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FULLY FUNDED. THE PRESIDENT NEXT ONE. AND THEN WE CAN GET THE, I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. COOL. THANK YOU. YEP. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO, UH, SHOW MY SUPPORT ON THAT AS WELL. I, I DO THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY HERE, MAYBE NOT IMMEDIATELY WITH THIS, UH, BUDGET, BUT I SEE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR A NATURAL, UH, RESOURCE AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY DEVELOP IT INTO SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT IT REALLY IS. AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD DO THAT. IS TEXAS, THE TEXAS ARMY OF ENGINEERS, THEY CORPS OF ENGINEER CORPS OUR CORPS, I'M SORRY, UH, A CORPS OF ENGINEER. THEY, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND POTENTIALLY ASSIST WITH SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE? NOT, NOT WITH THE VAN. OKAY, GOT IT. ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA, I'M WANNA JUST SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD. THANKS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, [02:50:01] UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. OH, NOPE. NO, WE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. [9. CONSIDER RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE CITY COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE.] WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. UH, CONSIDER RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. MR. MAGNER. UH, MAYOR, THIS IS JUST A FOLLOW UP TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD. SO IT'S JUST, UH, ACTION, UH, ACTION. TAKEN. ACTION ON THE ITEM MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN RIDER MAYOR, I'D TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CITY COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE AS PRINTED OUT TO US TONIGHT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER, AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO. ALL IN FAVOR? NONE OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS. SEVEN ZERO. UH, [10. CONSENT AGENDA] WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE MOVE TO APPROVE IS PUBLISHED. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TIMM HUTCHEN, WRITER. I SECOND. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PUBLISHED. AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HUTCHIN RIDER. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, [11. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST MAYOR PRO TIMM HUTCHIN MATTER. I HAVE THREE TONIGHT. THE FIRST ONE IS I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE, UM, RONNIE GLANTON. ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, SEVERAL OF US HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE PGA OF AMERICA HALL OF FAME 2025 INDUCTION CEREMONY. IT WAS UP AT THE OMNI PGA FRISCO. UM, JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A FEEL, IF YOU KNOW A LITTLE OR A LOT ABOUT GOLF, YOU'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE SOME OF THESE NAMES. RONNIE GLANTON WAS INDUCTED WITH JIM MCCLEAN, WHO'S ONE OF THE MAJOR TEACHERS OF ALL THE PGA PROFESSIONALS. UM, JD TURNER, DENNIS WALTERS, AND NANCY LOPEZ, UM, WHO WAS AN LPA TOUR PROFESSIONAL IN THE WINTER. UM, AND A GENTLEMAN, UH, JIM RICHARDSON, WHO WAS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PGA SECTION, UH, CHIEF. UM, SO IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE EVENING. UM, UH, AMANDA BAAS WAS THE MASTER OF CEREMONIES AND DID AN AMAZING JOB. SO JUST HUGE CONGRATULATIONS TO RONNIE. UM, BEING THE HEAD PRO OF A, UM, UM, PUBLIC COURSE IS THAT'S NOT SOMEONE WHO NORMALLY GETS INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME. AND SO JUST A HUGE HONOR FOR RONNIE. UM, SECOND THING IS THAT ON THURSDAY NIGHT, WE TURNED AROUND AND THEN WE HAD THE EDGE AWARDS, WHICH IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, GROWTH AND ENTREPRENEUR ENTREPRENEURSHIP. AND, UM, QUITE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND GROUPS WON, AND SO HUGE, UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF THEM. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, ON SATURDAY NIGHT, THE RICHARDSON WOMEN'S CLUB HAD THEIR TRIVIA NIGHT AND WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. AND JUST A BIG THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTED THE RICHARDSON WOMEN'S CLUB. THEY'RE TRULY, UM, ONE OF THE JEWELS OF OUR, OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DOYEN. THANK YOU. YES. I JUST WANNA REITERATE, UH, ON THE PGA EVENT. IT WAS, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. AND, UH, THEY DID SUCH A INCREDIBLE JOB PUTTING THE WHOLE EVENT TOGETHER. THE, THE RESORT ACTUALLY IS BEAUTIFUL. UH, SO JUST, JUST A REALLY GREAT EVENT. UM, ALSO, UH, THE ONE TO SUPPORT THE BOYS AND GIRLS EVENT, WE HAD THE GRAND OPENING, UH, OF THEIR, WE'LL CALL IT A RENOVATION OR JUST AN UPGRADE, A REFRESH JUST TO THEIR FACILITIES. UM, VERY NICE. UM, ALSO ON SATURDAY WE HAD CULTURE IN THE CORE. UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY AN EXTREMELY GOOD TURNOUT AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO AT THE SAME TIME THAT MORNING, NER BAZAAR HAD THEIR, UH, EVENT, THEIR ANNUAL EVENT. AND, UH, THAT WAS FROM NINE TO SIX. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. UH, THANKS. YEAH, I HAD CULTURE AT THE CORPS AND, AND THE BERK ON MY LIST AS WELL. UM, SO I WILL JUST TALK ABOUT THE ROTARY EAST, UM, EVENT THAT WAS, UH, HELD, UM, TO ADD A PAVILION TO THE ANN EISMAN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT THAT THEY HAD OUT THERE TO TRY AND RAISE FUNDS TO, UM, ADD SOME SHADE. I THINK THERE WAS A, A GREAT FINE POINT PUT ON IT AS WE WERE ALL STANDING IN THE SUN AND MELTING A LITTLE BIT, UM, IN THE AREA WHERE THE PAVILION WOULD BE. AND SO , IT WAS REALLY GOOD MARKETING ON THEIR PART. BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THAT, I THINK THAT THEY ARE, ARE RAISING FUNDS AND HOPING TO BUILD UP THE PAVILION, I THINK SOMETIME NEXT YEAR. SO, UM, GREAT, GREAT FUNDRAISING, UM, AND PHILANTHROPY ON THEIR PART. COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, DITTO. WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN, UM, DORIAN MENTIONED ABOUT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB ATTENDING THEIR REOPENING. I KNOW THERE WAS SEVERAL OF US THAT WERE THERE. IT WAS AN HONOR, UH, TO HAVE A MOMENT TO SHARE MY OWN PERSONAL STORY WITH AS A CLUB KID, AS A KID. AND, UM, I WISH 'EM THE BEST OF LUCK AS THEY CONTINUE TO GROW AND CREATE LONG, LONG, UM, STANDING IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE DOING REALLY, [02:55:01] REALLY GREAT THINGS OUT THERE. SEVERAL KEY MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE ON THAT BOARD, AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED IMPACT THEY HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE REST OF THE WEEK, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS OUT. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY THING ON MY WEEK THIS WEEK. 'CAUSE I WAS, UH, ATTENDING A FAMILY, UH, OBLIGATIONS, VISITING COLLEGES WITH MY SON AND ATTENDING A WEDDING OUT OF TOWN. SO, UH, THAT WAS MY ONE THING THIS WEEK. COUNCIL MEMBER HARIN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, WELL, CONGRATULATIONS TO RONNIE. I JUST COULDN'T STOP SAYING THAT. UH, IT'S A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT. UH, NOW, YOU KNOW, CONGRATULATION TO OUR CITY STAFF, UH, RPD FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR HAVING THAT, UH, CULTURE AT THE CORE, AGAIN, SUCCESSFULLY DONE THIS YEAR. UH, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THOUGH. UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN DREAMING MAYBE MORE INVOLVEMENT FROM THE JUST LOCAL BUSINESSES. THEY WOULD BE DOING MORE ORGANICALLY WITHOUT SPENDING MUCH MONEY FROM THE CITY SIDE OR INVOLVEMENT. SO, BUT THIS IS A GOOD START. WE'VE BEEN, THIS IS, UM, I LOST COUNT HOW MANY YEARS? PROBABLY WE ARE DOING FOR 20 YEARS, BUT ANYWAY, MAYBE NOT MAYBE LAST THREE YEARS. WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE THINGS THIS FOUR YEARS, THREE YEARS. AND THIS WAS THE FOURTH YEAR. SO YES, THIS IS GREAT THINGS HAPPENING, UH, AROUND THE CITY. YEAH, EVEN THAT MORNING WE HAD BARK, UH, BUZZARD, BUT ALSO THE SENIOR CENTER HAD BUZZARD THAT DAY. UH, WE MISSED SOMEHOW, BUT, UH, BUT THAT WAS HAPPENING THAT DAY, SO IT WAS A BUSY DAY FOR THE, FOR RICHARD. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA REPEAT A FEW OF THE THINGS ONLY TO KIND OF PUT A, A QUICK HIGHLIGHT. UM, UH, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, UH, WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT, BUT, UM, FRANKLY, I THINK THE STAR OF THE SHOW WAS DEFINITELY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS AND, AND, UH, I THINK YOU TOUCHED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TERMS OF THE IMPORTANCE AND THE IMPACT OF THE CLUB. AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOU SHARING YOUR, YOUR PERSONAL TESTIMONY THERE. UH, WITH, WITH THOSE FOLKS, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE REALLY MOVED BY IT. UH, THE RICHARDSON WOMEN'S CLUB, I'LL, I'LL BRING THAT UP. I WAS ONLY ABLE TO BE THERE FOR SOMETHING LIKE 10 OR 15 MINUTES, BUT, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU, UH, ON MORE THAN TWO HANDS. UH, I COUNTED PEOPLE THAT WALKED UP AND TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHAT A STAR OF THE SHOW, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN RIDER IS, HOW, HOW APPARENTLY HE HAS A REALLY GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR, WHICH, UM, MEANS I NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE SO I CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT, UH, UH, I'M, I'M EXCITED TO, TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT, THAT MORE THAN 10 PEOPLE, UH, SAID SOMETHING REALLY GLOWING ABOUT, UH, WHAT AN AMAZING JOB HE DOES. AND, AND, UH, UH, YOU CAN NOT BELIEVE THE FIRST OR SECOND, BUT YOU CAN, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE TO, UM, DO WHAT YOU CAN TO BELIEVE AFTER, AFTER NUMBER THREE. UM, UH, WE, WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT WENT ON, OH, COTTONWOOD, UH, THAT, THAT WAS ALREADY BROUGHT UP. BUT I DO WANNA SAY WHAT BLEW ME AWAY WAS HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ON THAT INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE A MADHOUSE. YOU WOULD'VE JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE REGIONAL DRAW OF RICHARDSON. UH, UH, AND I WENT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN INITIALLY THAT, UH, UH, EVENT WAS PLANNED BEFORE THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT A RAIN OUT, AND IT WAS TOTALLY BUSY THAT DAY TOO. SO IT'S, IT'S THE NORMAL THING, UH, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL OVER THERE, AND REALLY IMPRESSIVE. UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, UH, ACTUALLY JOINED ME FOR, UM, UH, A FIFA ARBOR DAY EVENT WHERE THERE WERE A HUNDRED OR SO TREES PLANTED, REALLY A PHENOMENAL EVENT, AND JUST SO COOL TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DID AN AMAZING JOB KEEPING IT REALLY ORGANIZED, AND, AND IT JUST WENT VERY, VERY SMOOTHLY AND, AND, UM, CAN'T THANK THE ENTIRE TEAM ENOUGH FOR THAT. UM, UH, I KNOW THAT WE ARE WELL KNOWN FOR OUR MISS TEXAS PAGEANT, BUT JUST, UH, THE OTHER NIGHT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THE PHILIPPINE CULTURAL CENTER EVENT WHERE THEY WERE CROWNING THE NEXT MRS. PHILIPPINES, UH, FOR NORTH TEXAS, WHICH, UH, UH, MUST BE ONLY BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE, UH, PAGEANTRY, UH, FEVER THAT, THAT IS AROUND RICHARDSON. UM, THERE WAS, UH, I, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH, UH, UTDS FORMULA RACING ONCE AGAIN. ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, I NEVER KNEW THAT IT WAS A THING. BUT ON CAMPUS AT UTD, THERE'S A HUNDRED OR SO STUDENTS EVERY YEAR THAT WORK ON BUILDING A FORMULA ONE CAR FROM SCRATCH, UH, FOR COMPETITION, THE KIND YOU ACTUALLY SIT IN. NOT LIKE I, WHEN THEY FIRST TOLD ME ABOUT IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS A COMPUTERIZED THING OR MAYBE A KIT CAR THAT THEY ROLL AROUND. NO, SOMEONE SITS IN IT AND THEY ACTUALLY RACE A TRACK AGAINST OTHER COLLEGES, UH, AND, UH, APPARENTLY VERY, VERY COMPETITIVE. I'D LOVE TO SAY THAT WE'RE NATIONAL CHAMPS, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. I THINK WE PLACED 21ST IN THE LAST, BUT THEY'RE VERY THRILLED ABOUT, UH, THEIR PROGRESS, AND THEY'RE EXCITED TO GET THEIR FORMULA ONE CAR OUT INTO THE, UH, INTO SCHOOLS AND OTHER THINGS. UH, WHICH LEADS ME TO, I HAD NOT ONE, BUT [03:00:01] TWO MST STOPS, ONE AT THE ELEMENTARY MST AND ONE AT THE JUNIOR HIGH, UH, GETTING A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO, UH, UH, SCHOOL AGED KIDS IN, IN THOSE TWO DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS, UH, BUT BOTH OF WHICH WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE RACING TEAM, UH, COME BY AND SHOW OFF THEIR CAR. SO, UH, SOME KIND OF COOL, FUN CONNECTIONS THERE. UH, LAST THING I'LL TALK ABOUT IS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ARFIN AND I, UH, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT A RIBBON CUTTING, UM, AT YEMENI YEMENI, UH, RESTAURANT, UH, WHICH IS OVER THERE IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER WHERE BIG DASH AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS ARE REALLY A COOL OFFERING. THEY'VE GOT A FEW BOOTHS WHERE YOU CAN GO SIT ON THE GROUND, AND IT'S VERY KIND OF OLD SCHOOL YEMENI STYLE, UH, UH, DINING. BUT THE FOOD WAS EXCELLENT. UH, AND ALTHOUGH THERE WERE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO MOVE ME FROM, UH, BEING PESCATARIAN TO GOING AHEAD AND EATING FULL ON, UH, UH, KEBABS, AND ALTHOUGH THEY TASTE, THEY SMELLED GREAT, I, I, I CANNOT SAY THAT I GOT A CHANCE TO TASTE THEM. SO, UH, IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, I THINK WE ARE [EXECUTIVE SESSION] GONNA BE MOVING ON TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, WE'LL DO A, UH, SEVEN MINUTE RECESS. UM, BUT IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 5 5, 1 0.0 8, 7 1, AND TWO OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNSEL WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO DELIBERATE COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT, OR TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT. ARAPAHO STATION. THE TIME IS 9:01 PM AND WE'LL COME BACK AT 9 0 8. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.