* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Zoning Board of Adjustment on October 15, 2025.] [00:00:06] ALL RIGHT. IT IS 6:30 PM WE WELCOME YOU TO THE, I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, OCTOBER 15TH, UH, 2025 MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS. SO THIS BOARD MEETS TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON REQUEST FOR VARIANCES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND APPEALS FROM A DETERMINATION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL IN THE ENFORCEMENTS OF ZONING ORDINANCES. IT DERIVES ITS POWER FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS. THIS BOARD ALSO HEARS AN ACTS UPON REQUEST FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO DEFENSE REGULATIONS. IN THE EVENT THAT YOU WISH TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THE BOARD, YOUR RECOURSE IS TO FILE AN ACTION IN THE STATE DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 10 DAYS FOLLOWING THE DATE OF THE BOARD'S DECISION. THE TEST USED TO DETERMINE APPROVAL OR DENIAL IS WHETHER A SITUATION EXISTS THAT IS NOT CREATED BY YOU, WHICH PREVENTS YOU FROM USING YOUR PROPERTY IN THE DESIRED WAY, AND THAT IF THE VARIANCE IS NOT GRANTED WILL RESULT IN A HARDSHIP WHICH THE BOARD CONSIDERS UNNECESSARY. TAKING INTO ACCOUNT PERMISSIBLE FACTORS, WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO GRANT A VARIANCE THAT THE HARDSHIP IS SELF-IMPOSED, OR A FAILURE TO ACHIEVE THE VARIANCE RESULTS ONLY IN AN ECONOMICAL HARDSHIP, ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO RATIFY SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY DONE OR DONE IN A MANNER THAT CIRCUMVENTS THE LAW MIGHT ALSO BE SELF-IMPOSED. WE ALSO CANNOT GRANT A VARIANCE THAT IS WHIMSICAL OR INTERFERES WITH THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF THE COMMUNITY. EACH CASE IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS. THE FIRST PART IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE CASE BY THE CITY STAFF AND TESTIMONY AND COMMENTS ARE TAKEN FROM THE PROPONENTS AND THE OPPONENTS OF THE REQUEST. THE SECOND PART OCCURS, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DISCUSS AND CONSIDER MOTIONS AS THEY'RE MADE DURING THE SECOND PART. NO FURTHER DATA OR INFORMATION WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE PARTICIPANTS UNLESS SO REQUESTED BY A BOARD MEMBER. THEN THE BOARD VOTES ON THE MOTION A DECISION TO GRANT OR DENY THE MOTION OR TO TAKE OTHER ACTION. CONCLUDES THE CASE FOR THIS SESSION. IT IS THE INTENT OF THE BOARD TO GIVE ALL INTERESTED PARTIES A CHANCE TO SPEAK. EACH PARTICIPANT IS CAUTIONED, HOWEVER, TO CONFINE HIS OR HER REMARKS TO THE SPECIFIC ISSUES OF THE CASE. REPETITIVE COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED, UNRULY OR DISORDERLY CONDUCT WILL NOT BE PERMITTED AT ANY TIME DURING THESE PROCEEDINGS. I WOULD NOW LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. TINA GANS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ANDREW BDA, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DEREK PETERS, SENIOR PLANNER AND NORMA MENDOZA, BOARD SECRETARY, WHO WILL BE THE RECORDER OF THE PROCEEDINGS BOARD MEMBERS INCLUDE JASON LEMON'S, CHAIR SCOTT RUCKER, VICE CHAIR BRENT STURMAN MEMBER, AND MOHAMMAD HA'S ALTERNATE BY LAW. AT LEAST FOUR OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS MUST APPROVE A MOTION BEFORE THE REQUEST CAN BE GRANTED. AT THIS TIME, SINCE WE HAVE A A SLIM QUORUM, UM, ALL MEMBERS WILL BE VOTING ON ON ALL ITEMS BEFORE THE BOARD. ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025. I TRUST THAT THE BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES, AND AT THIS TIME I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. UH, I APPROVE. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, MR. STURMAN MAKES A, A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. MR. HA. HAFI SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025 MEETING. PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ITEM. UM, SO I THINK ITS COMMUNICATED TO PARAGRAPH'S HERE. MINUTES. OKAY. OH, OH, OH, GOTCHA. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO, UM, GO AHEAD AND OH YEAH. AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. SO THIS MAY BE NEW ONE. IT'S, IT'S, SO GO AHEAD AND READ THAT. OKAY. TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT UH, ACTUALLY PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UM, WE, WE HAVE SPACE IN OUR AGENDA FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS. SO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, OR I GUESS OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS MEETING, IS SCHEDULED FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT REGARDING AN ITEM LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. MY GUESS IS THE ONE PERSON WE HAVE IN ATTENDANCE IS NOT HERE TO SPEAK PUBLICLY WITH REGARD TO ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM EXCEPT WITH REGARD TO HER OWN. SO, UH, I THINK WE'VE MADE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, AVAILABLE AND, AND, UH, WE WILL PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE MEETING. ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, CASE V 25 0 5. AND, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION DURING THE, UH, DURING THE WORK SESSION THAT, UM, AS IT SAYS HERE, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED CONTINUANCE TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING, UH, TO NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025 AT 6:30 PM DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH AT THIS TIME. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME FOR US TO, UH, TO CONTINUE, UH, UM, OH, [00:05:01] UH, CASE NUMBER V 25 0 5, UM, TO THE NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ALRIGHT, MR. STERMAN MAKES A MOTION TO FOR CONTINUANCE. SECOND, MR. HAE, UM, MAKES A SECOND SET MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY AS WELL. SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, CASE V 25 0 7. AND, UH, I SEE MS. PETERS IS, UM, IS WALKING TO THE PODIUM AND SHE WILL PRESENT, UM, SHE WILL PRESENT THIS AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU. REQUEST VARIANCE 25 0 7 IS A REQUEST FOR A 14 FOOT VARIANCE TO THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT SIDE YARD VARIANCE SIDE YARD SETBACK TO AND ALLOW AN ACCESSORY STORAGE BUILDING. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1902 LILAC COURT AND IS ZONED R 1500 M RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPERTY IS ON A CORNER LOT AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LILAC CIRCLE AND EDITH CIRCLE, LILAC COURT AND EDITH CIRCLE. THE PROPERTY IS ALSO SERVED BY AN ALLEY IN THE REAR. UH, THEIR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ALSO BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. HERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY. FIRST SEEN FROM THE FRONT ON LILAC COURT, THEN SEEN FROM EDITH CIRCLE TO THE SOUTH AND THEN SEEN FROM THE ALLEY IN THE REAR. AND I'LL POINT OUT HERE IN THESE PHOTOS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A RETAINING WALL AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT FENCE. THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE A CHANGE IN GRADE, UH, FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. THERE, UH, THERE'S A CHANGE IN SLOPE AS THE NORTH PART OF THE PROPERTY IS HIGHER THAN THE SOUTH PART. SO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN REGRADED AND, UH, CONSTRUCTED WITH RETAINING WALLS TO REINFORCE THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OVER HERE DUE TO THAT CHANGE IN SLOPE AND THE CHANGE IN GRADE IN THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY'S 0.2 ACRES, IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH A 2,900 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WITHIN AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE. IT IS A CORNER LOT. THE REAR AND SIDE YARD ARE ENCLOSED BY AN EIGHT FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. THE REAR YARD ALSO INCLUDES FEATURES AND IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS A PATIO COVER WITH AN INTEGRATED OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND INTEGRATED STONE FIREPLACE AND A SWIMMING POOL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SIX FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK IN LIEU OF THE 20 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK TO LOCATE THE STORAGE SHED IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THEIR PROPERTY. THAT IS SHOWN HERE ON THE PHOTO SHOWN IN THE BOX IN PEAK. I'LL ALSO POINT OUT IN ADDITION TO THE FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, PERPENDICULAR TO THAT BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE BACKYARD, THERE IS A RETAINING WALL. AND ON TOP OF THAT RETAINING WALL IS A REQUIRED FENCE THAT IS REQUIRED TO SEPARATE THE SWIMMING POOL FROM THE DRIVEWAY AREA. AND THAT IS A BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT. THIS IS THE APPLICANT JUSTIFICATION PROVIDED IN THEIR APPLICATION. AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY SLOPES FROM NORTH TO SOUTH REQUIRING A RETAINING WALL BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE YARD, LIMITING THE USABLE AREA IN THEIR BACKYARD. THE EAST PROPERTY LINE IS ENCUMBERED BY FLOODWAY FOR, UH, THE LENGTH OF THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. RECENTLY THE HOMEOWNERS DOWNSIZED FROM A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME TO THEIR CURRENT 2,900 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND THEY DID NOT ANTICIPATE IT, BUT AFTER THAT, THEIR TWO COLLEGE AGE CHILDREN MOVED BACK HOME. SO THEY DO HAVE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STORAGE IN CONSIDERING STORAGE OUTSIDE AND IN CONSIDERING PLACING STORAGE AND STORING THEIR BELONGINGS OUTSIDE, THEY BELIEVE THIS SHED IS, THIS LOCATION IS THE BEST AND ONLY OPTION BECAUSE THE SHED WOULD PROVIDE PROTECTION FROM POTENTIAL DAMAGE FROM THE ELEMENTS AND KEEP ITEMS OUT OF PUBLIC VIEW. THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT LEAVING ITEMS STORED OUTSIDE AND NOT IN AN ENCLOSED AREA WOULD CREATE A PEST PROBLEM THAT COULD IMPACT NEARBY HOMEOWNERS. ADDITIONALLY, THEY RECENTLY EXPANDED THEIR FENCE AROUND THIS CORNER OF THE YARD WHERE THEY INTEND TO PUT THE SHED THINKING THAT THEY, THEY COULD ALSO INSTALL A STORAGE STRUCTURE IN THIS YARD. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO LOCATE A STRUCTURE IN THE SIDE YARD. HOWEVER, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LOCATE A FENCE ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE AND THAT PRIVACY FENCE THEY INSTALLED IS EIGHT FEET TALL AND THE SHED IS ONLY EIGHT FEET TALL. SO THE APPLICANT HAS MADE THE CASE THAT THE PROPOSED SHED WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THIS IMAGE SHOWS THE, UH, BOUNDARIES OF THE FLOODPLAIN AROUND THEIR PROPERTY. SO ALONG THEIR EASTERN, WHICH IS THEIR REAR PROPERTY LINE, THERE IS A SLIVER OF FLOODPLAIN ENCUMBERING WHAT WOULD BE A DEVELOPABLE AREA BY 1.5 FEET TO 15 FEET THAT RANGES ALONG THE LENGTH OF THAT REAR YARD SETBACK. UH, THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR DETACHED STRUCTURE IN THIS CASE WOULD ONLY BE 18 INCHES FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. SO A PORTION OF THIS FLOODPLAIN DOES, UH, ENCUMBER [00:10:01] SOME OF THAT DEVELOPABLE AREA. I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT THE CITY HAS PLANS TO UPGRADE THE DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA OF TOWN. AFTER THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE, THEY, WE DO EXPECT THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS TO BE MODIFIED IN THIS AREA AND, AND THE FLOODPLAIN TO BE RESCINDED FROM THIS, THIS AREA. THAT CONTRACT HAS BEEN AWARDED FOR THAT PROJECT. SO THAT PROJECT SHOULD START SOON. THIS IS THE AUTHORITY GRANTED BY THIS TEXAS STATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, AND I'LL READ THROUGH THIS STATUTE. THE BOARD MAY AUTHORIZE IN SPECIFIC CASES OF VARIANCE FROM THE TERMS OF A ZONING ORDINANCE. IF THE VARIANCE OF NOT CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND DUE TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS, A LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD RESULT IN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP. AND SO THAT THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE IS OBSERVED AND SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE IS DONE, THE BOARD, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FIVE CRITERIA AS GROUNDS TO DETERMINE WHETHER COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AS APPLIED TO THE STRUCTURE WOULD RESULT IN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP. SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE AND PROVIDE STAFF STAFF'S. ANALYSIS STAFF DOES NOT ANTICIPATE THE FINANCIAL COST OF COMPLIANCE TO EXCEED 50% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE HOME. THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE HOME IS APPROXIMATELY $710,000. COMPLIANCE WOULD NOT RESULT IN A LOSS TO DEVELOPABLE AREA OF THE PROPERTY WHILE A PORTION OF THE BACKYARD IS ENCUMBERED BY IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THE PATIO IN THE POOL. THOSE ARE SELF-IMPOSED. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPERTY DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE UNIQUE. IT WAS SUBDIVIDED IN A SIMILAR MANNER AND AS SIMILAR CONDITIONS AS OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND STAFF FINDS THAT THIS PROPERTY PROVIDES ROOM TO LOCATE THIS SHED OR A SMALLER SHED WITHIN THE ALLOWED SETBACKS. MOVING ON, COMPLIANCE WOULD NOT RESULT IN PROP IN THE PROPERTY NOT BEING COMPLIANT WITH OTHER GOVERNING CODES. COMPLIANCE WOULD NOT IMPACT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OR EASEMENTS. AND THE CITY CONSIDERS THE PROPERTY AND THE STRUCTURES ON THE SITE, INCLUDING THE HOUSE AND THE TWO CAR GARAGE TO CONFORM TO THE CODE AS CONSTRUCTED. SO THE SHED IS NOT NECESSARY TO BRING THE STRUCTURE OR THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. THIS IS A MAP LOOKING AT THIS SUBDIVISION. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE CORNER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. IT'S INTERIOR TO THIS TO EDITH, WHICH IS A U-SHAPED STREET. SO THERE ARE SIMILAR CORNER LOTS IN THE AREA IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED, SIM WAS SUBDIVIDED SIMILAR TO THOSE AND IT APPEARS TO BE A SIMILAR SIZE TO OTHER INTERIOR LOTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE CUL-DE-SAC FAULT AS WELL. AND OTHER LOTS WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD APPEAR TO HAVE A SIMILAR SIZE AND SIMILAR BUILDING ENVELOPE. UM, IT STAFF FINDS THAT A UNIQUE PROPERTY HARDSHIP, UH, AND A A UNIQUE PROPERTY HARDSHIP DOES NOT EXIST AND VARIANCE WOULD PROVIDE PRIVILEGE THAT OTHER SIMILAR LOTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY ENTITLED TO. SO IT'S FOR THOSE REASONS AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE A APPLICANT APPLICABLE CODES AND ORDINANCES, IT IS STAFF'S OPINION THAT A PHYSICAL PROPERTY HARDSHIP DOES NOT EXIST AND THE REQUEST SHOULD THEREFORE BE DENIED. AND THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC NOTICE WENT OUT AND STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE IN RESPONSE TO THAT NOTICE. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PETERS AT THIS TIME? SO THIS WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY IN THE, UH, IN THE WORK SESSION, BUT WE HAVE THE 18 FOOT SETBACK LINE, OR I MEAN EIGHT. WHAT IS THE, WHAT WHAT IS THE SETBACK LINE? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE SETBACK LINE ON THE, UH, THE EAST ELEVATION? UH, WHERE THE, THE FLOOD IT'S 18 INCHES. 18 INCHES. YEAH. 18 FEET IS QUITE A BIT BIGGER. UM, BUT YOU STILL MAINTAIN THE, UH, THE 20 FOOT SETBACK CORRECT. TO THE SOUTH, CORRECT? CORRECT. YOU WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THAT. SO IN GENERAL IT'S KIND OF A MOOT, IT'S A MOOT SITUATION REGARDLESS OF THE FLOODPLAIN JUST BECAUSE THE POOL IS THERE. CORRECT. OR BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE POOL. STAFF DID, UM, DID TRY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON EXPLORING ALTERNATE LOCATIONS MM-HMM . UM, WE DID, WE KIND OF FOCUSED ON THE AREA JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE POOL, UM, AS A POSSIBLE LOCATION. I THINK IF, IF A STRUCTURE WERE TO BE LOCATED THERE, UM, THERE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE. THE POOL DECKING EXTENDS INTO THAT AREA. LANDSCAPING CURRENTLY EXTENDS INTO THAT AREA. UM, THERE IS THE RETAINING WALL AND THE SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY TO CONSIDER. UM, AND SO IF THEY, IF THEY WERE TO CONSTRUCT, UM, A SHED IN THAT LOCATION, IT WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO TO BE SMALLER OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, SOME SIGNIFICANT WORK, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THE, THE, THE SAME SIZE SHED WORK AT THAT LOCATION. AND WHEN YOU SAY ABOVE THE POOL, [00:15:01] IT'S MOSTLY THAT NORTHWEST YOU KINDA HAVE TO CRANE YOUR HEAD TO GET, GET NORTH, GET THROUGH NORTH THERE, BUT YES WOULD BE JUST TO THE, TO THE RIGHT OF THE SPA. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. PETERS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION ON THAT. UM, AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO, UH, TO COME TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS MATTER. AND BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, JUST REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. I AM HEATHER STERN WISE AND MY ADDRESS IS 1902 LILAC COURT, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 0. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, . I'M SORRY. UM, I'M HERE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR MY PROPERTY AT 1902 LILAC COURT FOR OUR A SHED. MM-HMM . CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF HOW YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REHASH EVERYTHING THAT MS. PETERS SAID, BUT JUST, JUST, JUST KINDA YOUR PERSONAL TAKE ON THIS. SO WE, I HAVE WORKED IN RICHARDSON FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. WE DECIDED TO RELOCATE AND DOWNSIZE. UM, WE HAVE A LARGE FAMILY. UH, WE HAVE FIVE CHILDREN. ONE OF THEM HAS LAUNCHED AND UH, WE DECIDED TO DOWNSIZE KNOWING THAT OUR OLDER TWO BOYS HAD GONE TO COLLEGE AND THE MIDDLE SON MAXWELL WAS GOING TO LAUNCH AFTER HE GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL THIS PAST YEAR. NOW THEY'VE ALL MOVED BACK HOME AFTER I RELOCATED US TO RICHARDSON FROM DALLAS. AND SO NOW THEY'VE BROUGHT ALL OF THEIR THINGS BACK AND, UM, I OR WE, UM, DEFINITELY HAVE A HARDSHIP WITH THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT IS CURRENTLY ACCUMULATING IN OUR HOUSE. AND, UM, MY HUSBAND IS A CHEF AND WE HAVE ALL OF HIS RESTAURANT EQUIPMENT IN THE GARAGE. AND SO NOW EVERYTHING IS KIND OF OUTSIDE BECAUSE OF THE KIDS STUFF, WHICH IS OUR OWN PROBLEM. NOT REALLY YOUR PROBLEM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A SHED IN THIS AREA. UM, THERE'S THIS HUGE SPACE BETWEEN THE FENCE AS YOU CAN SEE AND THE KIND OF THE STONE FIREPLACE. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THERE AND IT IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR A SHED. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT AREA FOR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I, I GUESS I HAVE ONE. CAN YOU, CAN YOU KIND OF DETAIL ALTERNATE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AND WHY? YES. WHY THEY WERE NOT SUITABLE? SO WE DID LOOK AT PUTTING THE SHED, UM, UP KIND OF CLOSE TO THE SPA NEAR THAT PATIO AREA. UM, PUTTING IT, TRYING TO PUT IT THERE, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO REDO THAT, THE GATE UHHUH BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GATE IN BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE DRIVEWAY TO MEET THAT CODE. AND THEN ACCORDING TO, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ACCORDING TO THE, UM, ISPC SWIMMING CODE COMPLIANCE. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THERE WITH BUILDINGS NEXT TO SWIMMING POOLS AND TRYING TO MEET THAT CODE. AND SO THAT REALLY, UM, LIMITS WHAT WE CAN DO AS WELL. AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT, THE DRIVEWAY HAS A SLOPE AND SO THAT BECOMES VERY CHALLENGING. AND THEN RIGHT WHERE THAT WOULD GO IS RIGHT UP NEXT TO A GRILL. AND SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT PUTTING IT RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE STONE FIREPLACE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT UP NEXT TO A FIREPLACE. I DON'T WANT TO LIGHT MY HOUSE ON FIRE. UM, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. AND THEN LOOK, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE A SMALLER SHED WOULD PROBABLY BE NECESSARY TO, TO A VERY SMALL, YEAH. SMALL SHED. AND SO I CAN'T PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE 'CAUSE I WOULD STILL NEED A VARIANCE REQUEST. UM, SO I'M, [00:20:01] I'M A LITTLE BIT LIMITED. I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, HOWEVER, . ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. STERMAN? UH, I MEAN HAVE YOU LOOKED AT PUTTING SHELVING IN THE GARAGE? I MEAN, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN PUT YES. PUT STORE THINGS UP TOP. I MEAN, IT COSTS MONEY, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ALTERNATIVES THERE AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE UTILIZED THE ATTIC, WE HAVE UTILIZED THE GARAGE. UM, THERE IS AN ANTIQUE CAR IN THAT GARAGE. I DO NOT HAVE PARKING PRIVILEGES. UM, AND WE HAVE UTILIZED EVERY INCH OF THAT SPACE. OKAY. SO I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE RETAINING WALL IN, IN THE BACKYARD. IS, IS THERE STILL A GRADE IN THE BACK? YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE GRADE WITH REGARD TO THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY. IS THERE A GRADE IN THE YARD AS WELL OR IS IT RELATIVELY LEVEL LIKE THE YARD? OH, THE YARD IS LEVEL. THE BACKYARD, YEAH. YES. IT'S TURF, IT'S LEVEL. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. STERMAN? YEAH, I, I GUESS IT MAY BE MORE TO CITY STAFF, BUT I MEAN, CAN YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THE DRIVEWAY? THEY COULD PUT A CARPORT IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT YOU COULDN'T PUT A SHED THERE? NO, WELL I, I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST PREVENT THE, UM, THE GARAGE FROM BEING ENTERED. AND SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO ENCLOSED PARKING SPACES. AND SO IF YOU PUT A SHED, IF YOU PUT A SHED THERE, THAT WOULD PREVENT ACCESS THEORETICALLY TO AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE SPACES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING, COMING AND, AND PRESENTING YOUR CASE. UM, I GUESS WE'RE NOT QUITE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST YET. I WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COMMENT EITHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S LIKELY. UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION I GUESS ON THAT, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE SHED IN THE DRIVEWAY? I MEAN, IS THERE ANYWHERE WITHIN THE DRIVEWAY THEY COULD DO THAT? I MEAN, YOU COULD STILL MANEUVER CARS TO GET BACK THERE, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE CLEARLY NOT USING IT FOR PARKING. I, I USE, I USE MY DRIVEWAY TO, I HAVE A ELECTRIC CAR, SO I PLUG MY CAR IN AND THE DRIVEWAY. BUT I MEAN, IS THERE ANYWHERE TO PUT THAT SHED IN YOUR DRIVEWAY? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE GATE, WHICH AGAIN IS SELF-IMPOSED, BUT I DO HAVE AN ELECTRIC GATE BACK THERE TO, UM, LIMIT GARAGE SHOPPERS AND UM, YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU PUT THE SHED ABUTTING THE, SO IF WE LOOKED AT THE RETAINING WALL AND GATE, THAT LITTLE BOX YOU STUCK IT TO TO THE LEFT. SO IT'S ABUTTING THE FENCE SO IT STILL GIVES YOU ACCESS TO THE RIGHT THAT ISN'T THERE. I SET, IS THERE NOT THE SETBACK THERE WITH THE PROPERTY? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THEY, YEAH, THEY'LL GO TO THE RIGHT OF THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. SO THAT IS A SLOPE THERE. THE, THE DRIVEWAY IS SLOPE. MM-HMM . SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO LEVEL THAT OUT. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH WELL, I MEAN YOU RIGHT, YOU WOULDN'T, YOU COULD LEVEL THE SHED. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO LEVEL THE DRIVEWAY. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND THEN YOU'D STILL HAVE ACCESS TO PULL INTO THE RIGHT OF THE DRIVEWAY IF YOU WILL. I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT PLAUSIBLE? IS THAT POSSIBLE? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD STILL MEET THE MINIMUM DIMENSIONS FOR THEIR DRIVEWAY IF THEY CUT IT OFF THAT MUCH BECAUSE IT'S A PERMANENT STRUCTURE. RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD NEED TO MANEUVER AROUND IT TO GET INTO THE GARAGE. SO NOT ONLY IS THE TWO CAR GARAGE REQUIRED, BUT THE MINIMUM DRIVEWAY IS REQUIRED. SO SOMEBODY COULDN'T PUT A PICKLEBALL COURT IN THEIR DRIVEWAY. I, I'M NOW I'M JUST KIND OF OPENING THIS UP, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT USE OF DRIVEWAY AND GARAGE. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DUNNO, WE CAN CONFIRM THE MINIMUM DRIVEWAY WITH REQUIREMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE KEY ASPECT IS THEY'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE PROVIDED IN AN ENCLOSED GARAGE. YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD PUT A SHED THAT IS CLOSER TO THEIR NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND STILL BE [00:25:01] ABLE TO MAINTAIN CLEARANCE TO BE ABLE TO EX, UM, ACCESS THE GARAGE, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION. UM, THERE IS A SETBACK REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OFF THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. I BELIEVE IT'S THREE FEET AND ANDREW AND DEREK, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT. SO NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT MAY REQUIRE A DIFFERENT SIZE SHED IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED IN THAT LOCATION. UM, WE HAVE NOT EXPLORED THAT OPTION WITH THE APPLICANT THOUGH. SO IT'S A THREE FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTH. THE FAR RIGHT? CORRECT, BECAUSE AND THEN THERE'S SIX AND A HALF FEET ACCORDING TO THAT. I THINK MY EYES ARE GOOD ENOUGH. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT THREE. SO THEY'D HAVE THREE AND A HALF FEET IN THE LENGTH TO MANEUVER. SOMETHING ABOUT YOU GOT A COUPLE OF AC UNITS TO, TO CONTEND TO CONTEND WITH IT LOOKS LIKE TO, YES. SO YOU DO LIKE A THREE FOOT VIBE? I DON'T KNOW. SKINNY, YOU MAKE AS LONG AS YOU WANT, RIGHT? LONG AS YOU WANT. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS. I, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO REITERATE. THIS IS MORE FOR CITY STAFF, BUT JUST TO REITERATE WITH REGARD. SO, SO YOU GUYS MOVED TO THIS PROPERTY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO. 18 MONTHS, OKAY. AND THE POOL WAS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS, WAS ADDED BY THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, SIR, ALONG, ALONG WITH THE, THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND EVERYTHING WITH THE PATIO, YES AS WELL. SO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE HOW THE RULES WORK HERE WITH REGARD TO HARDSHIP AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED SELF-IMPOSED IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THESE, THESE ADDITIONS WERE NOT BROUGHT ALONG BY THE, BY THE CURRENT APPLICANT THAT IS STILL CONSIDERED TO BE A SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU KIND OF CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT JUST FOR JUST A MOMENT? YEAH. I MEAN, SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIPS ESSENTIALLY TRANSFER WITH THE PROPERTY. SO IF YOU KNOW A PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER OR A PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER PREVIOUS TO THAT MADE THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THE WHOEVER PURCHASES THE PROPERTY ASSUMES THOSE SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIPS YOU'RE BUYING WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF RIGHT. OF WHAT IS ON THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THERE ARE, THERE IS A PRO, I MEAN, WHILE THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, I AM GUESSING THERE ARE PROPERTIES LIKE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MINE, THEY DO HAVE A SHED. UM, I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT BRING 'EM IN. WE WANT 'EM . I'M TEASING. I'M SORRY. UM, I HONESTLY DID NOT REALIZE THAT THIS WAS SUCH A PROCESS, BUT I REALLY WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING AND FOLLOW THE RULES. WELL NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE ASKING. SO WHAT, WHAT SEEMED LIKE SILLY QUESTIONS ABOUT WELL CAN WE USE THE DRIVEWAY OR CAN WE USE OTHER THINGS? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THE CONFERENCE OF ZONING ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REGULATE SETBACK, SETBACK LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE HERE IS ALMOST KIND OF QUASI-JUDICIAL, BUT WE DO HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE REALLY KIND OF OFF LIMITS TO US. RIGHT. SO ANYWAY. ALRIGHT. AND DID YOU ADD THE SLIDING GATE SINCE YOU'VE MOVED IN? UM, WE UPGRADED THE FENCE. IT WAS KIND OF FALLING DOWN WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOME AND THE FENCE ACTUALLY. UM, WE TOOK THE FENCE UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME. WE DID HAVE A, UM, APPROVAL FOR THAT AND THEN WE ADDED THE, UM, WE ADDED THE GATE AND THEN WE ADDED THE FENCE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL. THERE WAS NO FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH, I JUST NOTICED IT WAS YOUR SURVEY DIDN'T REFLECT THERE WAS A SLIDING GATE AND NOW THERE IS ONE. SO I WAS JUST CONFIRMING DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO JUST HAVE A SEAT. OKAY. UM, WE MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SO, SO STAY TIGHT. THANK YOU. AND UH, THIS IS RATHER FUTILE, BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST? ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS POINT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I WANNA OPEN THE FLOOR TO, UH, TO OUR MEMBERS, UM, WHO MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF. THIS IS ALSO A GOOD TIME TO DELIBERATE ON THIS MATTER AND TO PRESENT MOTIONS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY AT THIS TIME? I MEAN, I GUESS TO THE CITY STAFF, RIGHT? LIKE YOU WORKED A LITTLE BIT WITH POTENTIALLY BY THE RIGHT OF THE SPA? UM, I MEAN I THINK, AGAIN, [00:30:01] I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REALM OF POSSIBILITIES ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH 'EM ON MAYBE DOING SOMETHING ALONG THAT SIDE SIDE YARD, UM, AND EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, I DON'T THINK THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH THOSE CRITERIA, THE HARDSHIP CAN'T BE SELF-IMPOSED. IT'S GOTTA BE LESS THAN 50% AND I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE GETTING ECLIPSED. YEAH. COULD I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU WERE ASKING US TO POSSIBLY WORK WITH THE OWNER IN THE SIDE YARD, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE SIDE YARD THAT'S OFF THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, LIKE, I MEAN JUST AGAIN, ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT GOT DISCUSSED. YEAH. AND THAT, UM, WE EXPLORED MANY OPTIONS. UM, WHEN WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, I'LL ADMIT THEY WERE ALL PREDOMINANTLY WITHIN HER FENCED ENCLOSED AREA THAT IS SOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY. UM, I DON'T RECALL UN UNLESS DEREK OR ANDREW YOU'VE HAD ANY DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T RECALL ANY DISCUSSION FROM WHEN WE MET AND, AND WE MET FOR, GOSH, A GOOD HOUR TRYING TO EXPLORE OPTIONS. BUT THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, UM, WE DID NOT DISCUSS. BUT DEPENDING UPON THE OUTCOME OF THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, UM, I THINK THAT'S STILL SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO. THANK YOU. THIS MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN SPEAK TO THIS. UM, WHAT IS THE SITUATION WITH THE FENCE ON THAT NORTHERN ELEVATION WITH, WITH REGARD TO THAT AREA? KIND OF WHAT BRENT WAS TALKING, WHAT, WHAT MR. DERMO WAS TALKING ABOUT A MOMENT AGO IS, IS THERE A FENCE ON THE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU KNOW, JUST DIRECTLY BELOW WHERE IT SAYS 6.8 FEET? I I I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT COULD BE ACCESSED. I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. AS SHE MENTIONED THERE IS A FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THAT WAS NOT CAPTURED ON THE SURVEY. OKAY. BUT SHE CAN EXPLAIN HOW THEY ACCESSED THAT PORTION OF THE YARD. I TOLD YOU THAT, THAT WE NEEDED YOU TO HANG TIGHT . SO YES, THERE IS A FENCE AND THERE IS A GATE, UM, AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE, THERE, THERE IS A ACCESS GATE THERE AND THEN THERE IS A FENCE THAT GOES DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE THERE. AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE AS WELL TO PUT ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURE ON THAT SIDE AS WELL. YES. IF YOU'RE WITH, THERE'S A THREE FOOT SIDE YARD STEP BACK, SO YOU COULDN'T GO ANYTHING BEYOND THREE FEET AND YOU ONLY HAVE SIX FEET, 6.8 FEET IN THAT AREA. AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE NOT ASKED TOUGH SHED OR ANY OTHER VENDOR. IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF MAKING A THREE FOOT BY SIX FOOT OR THREE FOOT BY NINE FOOT, THAT MAY BE LIMITED IN WHAT YOU KNOW AND JUST UTILITY TO YOU GUYS AS WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE. RIGHT? YEAH. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM, FROM OTHER MEMBERS? WELL, I, I WOULD JUST KIND OF REITERATE WHAT I'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE A SEAT. SORRY. UM, I WOULD JUST KIND OF REITERATE WHAT WE SAID BEFORE, OR WHAT I SAID PREVIOUSLY IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, IN A WORLD WHERE THEY, OR NOT REGULATIONS LIKE THIS, UH, THE LOCATION MAKES, MAKES GOOD SENSE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE THE, UH, WE HAVE THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT SETBACK HERE AND THAT THAT PLACES SOME LIMITATIONS THERE. UM, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AS A BOARD NOT TO, UH, NOT TO DECIDE CASES HERE THAT THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY DO CIRCUMVENT, UM, WHAT THE UH, WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE SPECIFIC PORTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE ARE TRYING TO REGULATE AGAINST. UM, SO THIS IS ONE WHERE, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE, WE END UP ASKING QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT QUITE COMMONSENSICAL BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A GAME OF TETRIS. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN FIT THAT THING SO WHERE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY MOTIONS? DO YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE A MOTION? I, I DO, I DO. THIS IS LINE OF COURT. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO NOT FIND THE LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE ORDINANCE WILL RESULT IN AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP AND GRANTING THE REQUEST WILL BE, WILL BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST. I THEREFORE MOVE TO DENY THE REQUEST CASE V 25 DASH OH SEVEN. ALRIGHT, [00:35:02] SO MR. STURMAN HAS MADE A MOTION TO DENY THE VARIANCE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND. ALRIGHT, SO MR. RUCKER SECONDS. SO ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE VARIANCE. UH, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL, ALL AGAINST. AND THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, SO THAT IS THE LAST ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE, UH, ON OUR AGENDA AT THIS POINT. UM, I GUESS I NEED TO OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE MEETING AND MENTION THAT TODAY'S OR THE TIME RIGHT NOW IS 7 0 5. SO I THINK THAT IS ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.