* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] ORDER ON TUESDAY, UH, NOVEMBER 18TH, 2025, 7:00 PM UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION CONSISTS OF RICHARD RICHARDSON, RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THERE ARE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES ON THE COMMISSION, BUT ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS WILL VOTE ON AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH ALL MEMBERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS AND DELIBERATIONS. IN THE CASE OF THE ABSENCE OF A REGULAR MEMBER, A DESIGNATED ALTERNATE WILL VOTE ON THE ISSUE. UH, SO TONIGHT WE HAVE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE, SO EVERYBODY IS VOTING. UH, THIS MEETING IS A BUSINESS MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED AS SUCH IN THAT REGARD. AS A COURTESY TO THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, WE REQUEST THAT ALL DEVICES THAT EMIT SOUND BE TURNED OFF FOR JUSTICE. SO NOT AS TO AS INTERRUPT THIS MEETING. OUR PROCEEDINGS ARE RECORDED. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION. AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE FILL OUT A BLUE CARD ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRY AND HAND IT TO OUR SECRETARY. THAT'LL GIVE US OUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, FOR THE RECORD. ALSO, UH, TONIGHT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, ON THE AGENDA. UM, SO EACH PUBLIC HEARING IS PROCEEDED BY A STAFF INTRODUCTION OF THE REQUEST. THE APPLICANT IS THEN PERMITTED 15 MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEY MAY RESERVE ANY PORTION OF THIS TIME FOR A FINAL REBUTTAL. UH, TIME SPENT IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION IS NOT, UM, COUNTED AGAINST THE APPLICANT. SO ALL SPEAKERS ARE REQUESTED TO COMPLETE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT CARD. SUBMIT IT TO THE RECORDING SECRETARY. I FORGOT WE PUT THAT IN THERE IN THE MINUTES. THAT'S GREAT. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST WILL, UH, EACH BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO, UH, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. UM, WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKERS SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR RE UH, COMMENTS, UH, PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE, THE COMMISSION OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE RECORDING SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. AND IF THERE ARE ORGANIZED GROUPS IN ATTENDANCE, WE, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU SELECT REPRESENTATIVES TO PRESENT YOUR, UH, OBJECTIONS. THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN GATHERING NEW AND RELEVANT INFORMATION. WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN REPETITION. PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. AFTER A BRIEF REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT, UH, THE HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER TESTIMONY WILL BE PERMITTED. ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THE RULES. SO WE'LL GET ON WITH OUR AGENDA. UH, FIRST, FIRST ITEM REALLY IS OUR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS. AND SO THE START OF EVERY MEETING, UH, WE OPEN THE FLOOR, UM, SO THE PUBLIC CAN ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMISSION REGARDING AN ITEM LISTED ON THE AGENDA THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. SO TONIGHT, UH, THE ONLY ITEM THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AS, UH, THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025. SO WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THAT MATTER? [1. Approval of the minutes of the regular business meeting of November 4, 2025.] OKAY, SEEING NONE THEN WE WILL GET ON WITH, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, THAT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF, UH, THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING OF NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025. COMMISSIONER QUIRK, I'D MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 MEETING. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHHE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL [2. Zoning File 25-18 – Planned Development – Apollo Junior High School (continued from November 4, 2025): A request to rezone an 18.16-acre lot located at 1600 Apollo Road, on the south side of Apollo Road, the west side of Amherst Avenue, and the north side of Syracuse Drive, from R-1800-M Residential District to PD Planned Development for the R-1800-M Residential District with modified development standards to accommodate the expansion of the school building and other related site improvements. Owner: Richardson Independent School District. Staff: Derica Peters. (Requesting continuation to the December 2, 2025, meeting] RIGHT. UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ZONING FILE, 25 DASH 18 PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR APOLLO JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. UH, THIS, UM, PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPENED ON AT OUR NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 MEETING. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A, UH, CONTINUANCE, UH, TO DECEMBER 2ND, UH, WHICH IS TONIGHT, UH, WHICH THE COMMISSION AGREED TO. UM, WE HAVE SINCE RECEIVED A FURTHER REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, TO NOW CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO DECEMBER 16TH, 2025. SO THIS IS A, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS ALREADY OPEN. UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I MOTION THAT WE MOVE, UH, ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 16TH, 2025. COMMISSIONER PURDY. SECOND IT. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE, UH, ZONING FILE 25 DASH 18 TO DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA IS ZONING FILE 25 DASH 17 PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR RICHARDSON NORTH JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. AND MS. PETERS WILL TAKE US THROUGH THAT. THANK YOU. [00:05:04] ZONING FILE 25 17 IS FOR THE SUBJECT SITE AT 1820 NORTH FLOYD ROAD, WHERE NORTH JUNIOR HIGH IS CURRENTLY LOCATED. THIS IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF FLOYD ROAD AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF NANTUCKET DRIVE IN SOUTH OF CAMPBELL ROAD TO ITS NORTH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R 1100 M RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS. AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST OF THE SCHOOL CAMPUS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY, UH, WITH RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOMES. THE ROW OF HOMES IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THE CAMPUS IS SEPARATED, SEPARATED FROM THE CAMPUS BY A CREEK BRANCH, AND THE ROW OF HOMES IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THE CAMPUS ARE SEPARATED BY A 12 FOOT WIDE PAVED ALLEY. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R 1100 M TO PD FOR R 1100 M WITH MODIFIED SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXPANSION OF THE SCHOOL BUILDING AND OTHER RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO ADD THE ADDITION OF THE SIXTH GRADE LEVEL. HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. TODAY IS FIRST SEEN ON THE WEST ELEVATION. THIS IS SEEN FROM FLOYD. THEN THE EAST ELEVATION. YOU SEE THE PORTION OF THE CAMPUS THAT FRONTS ON NANTUCKET TO THE EAST. THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE EXISTING SCHOOL BUILDING AND THE NORTH ELEVATION WHERE YOU SEE THE ATHLETIC FIELD AND THE TRACK AND FIELD PRACTICE AREAS. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. THE EXISTING SCHOOL BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS SHOWN IN THE RED OUTLINE. SO THE NEW SCHOOL FOOTPRINT WILL BE IN THE YELLOW OUTLINE. THE PROPERTY IS 15 ACRES. THIS SCHOOL SITE WAS FIRST DEVELOPED IN 1970 WITH THE 90, AND TODAY THERE IS A 94,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON SITE. THEY'RE EXPANDING TO 228,000 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT IS 52 FEET AND PARKING SPACES IS 181. SO A PUBLIC SCHOOL BUILDING IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT. HOWEVER, IT STILL MUST MEET THE ZONING STANDARDS OF THAT ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, DOESN'T EXACTLY COMPLY WITH THAT UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE EXCEPTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THROUGH THIS PD PLAN. DEVELOPMENT FIRST IS RELATED TO BUILDING HEIGHT. THE ZONING LIMITS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING TO ONLY 25 FEET TALL. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION HERE TO ALLOW A 52 FOOT TALL SINGLE STORY BUILDING. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NEW COMPETITION GYM, AND THAT IS 52 FEET MEASURED TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET. IN ADDITION, THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT FEET TO SCREEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. ANOTHER BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITATION IN OUR ZONING CODE IS WHEN A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE IS WITHIN 150 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL USE. THE BUILDING IS LIMITED TO 25 FEET IN THAT INSTANCE AS WELL. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXEMPTION TO ALLOW A 52 FOOT TALL BUILDING. THERE IS NO PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION THAT 170 PARKING SPACES BE PROVIDED AT MINIMUM ON SITE. ADDITIONALLY, SOME FENCING EXCEPTIONS ARE REQUESTED. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO ALLOW A FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD TO PROVIDE A VINYL COATED CHAIN LEAK FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. IN ADDITION, THEY'RE SEEKING TO EXCEED THE EIGHT FOOT MAXIMUM FOR OFFENSE FOR THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES ON SITE. UH, SCREENING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL TYPICALLY REQUIRES A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT THEY CONTINUE WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TODAY WHERE THERE IS NO SCREENING WALL. UH, THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH ARE, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, SCREENED FROM THE PROPERTY BY A WOODEN FENCE ON THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. THEY ARE SCREENED FROM THE SCHOOL, AND ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPING AND, UH, IN LIEU OF STANDARD RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPING, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY LANDSCAPING IN OUR STANDARD ZONING CODE FOR THIS RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. AND THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED AT LEAST AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL WHERE YOU SEE WHERE ADDITIONAL TREES WILL BE ADDED ON SITE INTERNAL TO THE SITE AND ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD. ALONG FLOYD TO THE WEST. HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. FIRST IS THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST. THE WEST ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD ON FLOYD, AND THESE ELEVATIONS SHOW THAT THE BUILDING WOULD BE 52 FEET TO THE TOP OF THE HIGHEST POINT. HERE'S SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THESE SCHOOL OPERATIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. THEY ARE GOING FROM SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE TO SIXTH, SEVENTH, AND EIGHTH. THEY'LL BE GOING FROM A STUDENT ENROLLMENT OF 592 STUDENTS TO AN INITIAL ENROLLMENT WHEN THEY OPEN IN THE YEAR 2028. THEY EXPECT 900 STUDENTS. THEY EXPECT THAT TO GROW TO AT MAXIMUM 1000 STUDENTS WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS OF THAT. [00:10:03] SO THIS TRIP MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THIS WAS PRODUCED BY THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS WHO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY TEAM, UH, TO COME UP WITH THE, UH, MOST OPTIMIZED PLAN. SO FOR ONE CONCERN THAT, UM, SORRY, LET ME JUMP INTO FIRST, SAY, UH, FIRST DESCRIBE HOW THE CIRCULATION WILL, UH, PROCEED ON THE NEW SITE. SINCE THEY'RE ADDING SIXTH GRADE, UM, THEY HAVE WORKED ON THIS PLAN TO BETTER DISTRIBUTE THE TRAFFIC ON ALL SIDES OF THE SCHOOL. SO THERE HAS BEEN A NEW DRIVEWAY ADDED TO THE SITE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS SITE ON NANTUCKET. THIS IS LABELED DRIVEWAY D. SO THIS IS NEW. THIS WILL BE THE DESIGNATED ENTRANCE FOR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE STUDENT PARENTS. THEY'LL ENTER FROM NANTUCKET ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEY WILL FOLLOW SOUTH STILL ON CAMPUS, FOLLOW SOUTH OF THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTHERNMOST ENTRY, WHERE THEY WILL THEN EXIT ONTO FLOYD. UM, THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE ON NANTUCKET DRIVE WILL BE, UH, SIGNED WITH ENTRANCE ONLY. SO CARS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO EXIT ONTO NANTUCKET DRIVE. THEN THE SIXTH GRADE STUDENTS WILL BE DESIGNATED TO HAVE THEIR DROP OFF AND PICK UP LOCATED IN THIS RECONFIGURED DRIVEWAY AREA OFF OF FLOYD ROAD NORTH OF THE SCHOOL IN THIS LOOPED AREA. SO WHEN SIXTH GRADERS FIRST, UM, START ATTENDING THE SCHOOL, THIS WILL LIKELY JUST BE A SINGLE QUEUE LINE. BUT AS MORE SIXTH GRADERS MAY, UH, BE IN ATTENDANCE OVER THE YEARS, THIS CAN BE BECOME A DOUBLE STACKED QUEUE LINE, UH, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE VEHICLES OFF OF THE PUBLIC STREETS. AND THEN THE BUSES WILL NOW BE DIRECTED TO ENTER FROM FLOYD FROM THE SOUTHERN MOST DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL. SORRY, NOT THE SOUTHERN MOST DRIVEWAY, BUT THIS DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH WHERE THEY WILL BE DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP STUDENTS ALONG THIS WESTERN ENTRANCE. IF EITHER OF THE PARENT PICKUP QUEUES EXCEED THE ONSITE STORAGE LENGTH, THE SCHOOL WILL CONSIDER. THE SCHOOL CAN CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE PICKUP LOCATION SO THAT THE QUEUES ARE MORE EQUALLY BALANCED AND THE CITY RETAINS THE RIGHT TO REQUEST AN UPDATE TO THIS PLAN IF QUEUING DOES START EXTENDING INTO THE PUBLIC STREETS. SO TODAY, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARENTS PARKING IN THE PUBLIC STREET PARKING ALONG FLOYD AND THOSE SIDE STREETS ALONG FLOYD. SO THE NEW PLAN SHOULD PROVIDE A SUFFICIENT ONSITE QUEUING SO THAT THOSE CARS DO NOT NEED TO BE IN THE STREET, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT CAN QUEUE ON SITE. INSTEAD. THE ENVISION RICHARDSON PLAN, UH, WHICH WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR AS A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS ARE CONSIDERED, UH, SECONDARY USES IN THE EXISTING BUILDING. AND PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN. FINALLY, SHOULD THE CPC ACCEPT THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE SITE WOULD BE ZONED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING OF R 1100 M RESIDENTIAL, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THE PD STANDARDS THAT I LISTED EARLIER AND THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. AND THE SITE SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS AS PROVIDED. AND THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE AN, UH, PRESENTATION TONIGHT AS WELL. AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. COMMISSIONER SHAHE, ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH HAS THE YELLOW OUTLINE, IS IT CORRECT THAT AS WE CONSIDER SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL MODIFICATIONS THAT IN THAT TOP RIGHT HAND SECTION, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A NEW BUILDING, THERE ARE NOT ANY HOMES ON NANTUCKET THAT ARE RIGHT THERE. SO REALLY THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDINGS AREN'T REALLY IMPACTING HOMES THAT DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY HAVE BUILDINGS KIND OF CLOSER TO THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD SAY SO. OKAY. BECAUSE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT, AS YOU CAN SEE, WILL REMAIN IN THAT GENERAL AREA ADJACENT TO THESE HOMES. AND THEN THE NEW AREA IS NOT ADJACENT TO ANY HOUSE. OKAY. SO THINGS LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, PROXIMITY FENCING, THERE REALLY ARE NO HOMES THAT SOME OF THOSE NEW BUILDINGS RIGHT. WOULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THOSE CONDITIONS CAN'T, WILL CAPTURE SOME OF THESE NONCONFORMITIES THAT EXIST WITH THE BUILDING TODAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE MAY HAVE SOME LATER. UM, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, A CONTINUANCE, UH, FROM OUR LAST MEETING. UH, SO, UH, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE ANY REMARKS THEY HAVE. [3. Zoning File 25-17 – Planned Development – Richardson North Junior High School (continued from November 4, 2025): A request to rezone a 15.142-acre lot located on the east side of N. Floyd Road and the west side of Nantucket Drive, south of W. Campbell Rd, from R-1100-M Residential District to PD Planned Development for the R-1100-M Residential District with modified development standards to accommodate the expansion of the school building and other related site improvements. Owner: Richardson Independent School District. Staff: Derica Peters.] [00:15:11] GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JAMES WATSON, 400 SOUTH GREENVILLE AVENUE, 7 5 0 8 1. UH, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS CASE TONIGHT. I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO RECOGNIZE REAL QUICK IF I MAY, OTHERS, UH, THAT ARE REPRESENTING RICHARDSON ISD IN THE ROOM WITH ME. SO WE HAVE MS. SANDRA HAYES, OUR ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT OF BOND PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION. WE HAVE MR. MIKE HASSO, OUR ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT OF OPERATIONS, AND WE HAVE MR. SCOTT PORTER, UH, OUR PROJECT MANAGER ASSIGNED TO THE NORTH, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL TRANSFORMATION. UH, WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE STANTEC ARCHITECTS, UH, WITH US TONIGHT, UH, THE DESIGN FIRM AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM, TMP. UH, I JUST WANNA THANK THEM FOR BEING HERE WITH US TONIGHT. WE'RE HOPING, UH, TO, TO DO A LITTLE TWO-PARTER HERE. I'M GONNA DO A LITTLE INTRODUCTION AND THEN MAYBE IF I'M ALLOWED, UH, ALLOW STANTEC TO COME UP AND GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. UH, CAN GIVE YOU SOME SPECIFICS, UH, AND POSSIBLY ANSWER SOME DETAILS, UH, IF THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WANNA, UH, ALSO REITERATE WHAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT IS ONE OF THREE PROJECTS THAT I THINK WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU. UH, AS MENTIONED, WE HOPE TO COME BACK IN MID-DECEMBER, UH, TO LOOK AT ANOTHER, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL TRANSFORMATION, UH, AND THEN AGAIN LATER ON, ON A THIRD. SO THESE MIDDLE SCHOOL TRANSFORMATIONS, UH, ARE A PART OF A BOARD RESOLUTION PASSED, UH, BACK IN 2021 TO CONVERT FROM JUNIOR HIGH MODEL TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL MODEL. SO TODAY IT IS PRE-K THROUGH SIXTH, SEVEN, AND EIGHTH IS JUNIOR HIGH, AND THEN NINTH THROUGH 12 IS HIGH SCHOOL. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO ALIGN WITH OUR ALREADY MIDDLE SCHOOL MODEL IN THE LAKE HIGHLANDS COMMUNITY IS A PRE-K THROUGH FIVE ELEMENTARY, A SIX THROUGH EIGHT MIDDLE SCHOOL MODEL, AND THEN A NINE THROUGH 10, UH, EXCUSE ME, NINE THROUGH 12, UH, HIGH SCHOOL MODEL. SO WHAT'S DRIVING THIS PRIMARILY IS THAT BOARD DECIDING AND THE DISTRICT RECOMMENDING THE CHANGE FROM JUNIOR HIGH TO THAT MIDDLE SCHOOL MODEL. THE ARCHITECTS WILL GO INTO DETAIL ON THE VARIOUS REASONS WHY THE PROGRAMMING HAS CHANGED. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CTE SPACES, THE FINE ARTS SPACES, ALL OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT REALLY MEET THE PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS OF OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL MODEL IS REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT DESIGN YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT. UH, SO THAT'S REALLY THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS. IN ADDITION TO COMPLYING WITH WHATEVER NEW TEA GUIDELINES AS FAR AS, UH, SPACE SIZE GUIDELINES ARE IN EFFECT TODAY, 2025 AS OPPOSED TO, UH, WHEN THIS MIGHT ORIGINALLY HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER. SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LOVE TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THIS PRESENTATION WITH YOU THE NIGHT. IF I COULD PLEASE ASK, UH, BRETT WITH STANTEC TO COME UP AND, AND TAKE THE HELM, AND THEN WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO STAY BEHIND AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU JAMES. UM, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MY NAME IS BRETT HOLLEY. I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH STANTEC ARCHITECTS. UH, MY ADDRESS IS 2 7 1 7 PRAIRIE CREEK COURT. I'M IN PLANOS, SO I'M ON THE WRONG SIDE OF GEORGE BUSH. I UNDERSTAND THIS. UM, BUT I DID ACTUALLY, I LIVED IN RICHARDSON, THAT WAS OUR FIRST STARTER HOME IN RICHARDSON HEIGHTS. AND SO I HAVE A SOFT SPOT IN MY HEART FOR RICHARDSON. I'LL GET THROUGH THIS, I PROMISE I'LL GET THROUGH IT IN 15 MINUTES. UM, I KNOW YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE. THIS IS IN A, THIS IS A PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE, UM, TO, UM, KIND OF OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT THE DISTRICT HELD BEFORE WE HAD THIS, RIGHT? WE WANNA GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE DO WORK IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE KIND OF IN ALIGNMENT AND ON BOARD WITH THE IDEAS THAT WE'RE MAKING ABOUT OUR PROJECT. UM, AND WITH ANY GOOD PROJECTS STARTS, UH, THESE, THIS THOUGHT OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES. AND SO THESE ARE THESE THINGS THAT AS WE GO THROUGH WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WITH STAFF, UM, WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN THE DISTRICT, AND WITHOUT, UM, REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE THINGS ABOUT A CAMPUS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING ADDITIONS AND RENOVATIONS AND TRANSFORMATIONS TO A CAMPUS. WHAT ARE THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE SOUL OF THE CAMPUSES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO? UM, AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THESE, I WON'T DRILL DOWN INTO DEPTH. THIS, THERE'S A MUCH LONGER PRESENTATION FOR THIS THAT, THAT I CAN GIVE IN, IN A, IN A, IN A FUTURE TIME IF YOU REALLY WANT. UM, BUT THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES REALLY WHAT DRIVE THE DESIGN AND THE CONCEPT OF DESIGN AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION PHASING AND KEEPING STUDENTS ON THAT CAMPUS WHILE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS. SO, UH, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SITE OVERVIEW QUITE A BIT. UM, I DID WANT TO KIND OF POINT OUT THE LITTLE GREEN BOX ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NOTICED WHEN WE STARTED, UM, ASSESSING THE SITE, THAT'S THE MAIN ENTRY. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MOST PEOPLE THINK IT'S UP THERE BY THE LIBRARY ON THE NORTH SIDE. UM, AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT MAIN ENTRY IS AND WHERE THE DRIVE ENTRANCE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAUSES A LITTLE BIT OF A TRAFFIC ISSUE OR CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE GREAT STAFF ON CAMPUS, MOVING PEOPLE ALONG, BUT PEOPLE WANNA STOP AT THAT FRONT DOOR AND LET THEIR KIDS OFF THERE. SO A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IN THE SITE DESIGN IS REALLY ABOUT MOVING THAT FRONT DOOR, GETTING MORE STACKING AND QUEUING TO A LOGICAL PLACE FOR PEOPLE AS THEY VISIT THE SITE, UH, AS WE DEVELOP THE SITE PLAN FURTHER. SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE FULL BUILD OUT. UM, SO, UH, A GREAT OBSERVATION [00:20:01] ABOUT THE NORTH EDITION, RIGHT? THE NORTH EDITION IS WHERE THOSE ATHLETICS AND FINE ART SPACES, AND I'LL GET TO A FLOOR PLAN AND KIND OF DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, BUT THOSE SORT OF, WE'LL CALL 'EM NOISIER, MORE ACTIVE PARTS OF THE SITE OR PARTS OF THE SCHOOL UP ON THAT NORTH SIDE, THE CENTRAL AREA WITH THE CENTRAL COURTYARD PRESERVING THAT EXISTING BUILDING. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY GOT GREAT BONES AND IT'S GOT GREAT BONES FOR CLASSROOMS AND ACADEMIC SPACE. SO IT REALLY MAKES SENSE AS WE DO THE RENOVATION TO PLUG THOSE INTO THAT SPACE AND KIND OF MOVE THE VOLUMES OF THE, THE LARGER VOLUME SPACES, FINE ARTS, ATHLETICS, LIBRARY, MEDIA CENTER, THAT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS OUT TO THE NORTHERN ENDS OF THE SITE. AND ALSO WITH THE IDEA OF REDEVELOPING SORT OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING ALONG FLOYD, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THE BUILDING STANDS OUT, LOOKS NEW, LOOKS FRESH, UM, SO JUST LOOKING AT SOME MASSING ON SITE. UM, SO I, I THINK THE, THE, THE ROADS CAN KIND OF ORIENT YOU, BUT AGAIN, YOU SEE THE CENTRAL COURTYARD, THAT EXISTING PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT IS TO REMAIN, UM, AND, AND, AND BE, BE BEAUTIFIED. AND THEN REALLY THE, BECAUSE THERE'S A PRETTY HARD LINE WHERE YOU SEE KIND OF A WOOD LOOK TRELLIS ON THE, THE, THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THAT SITE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA WORK, BUT, UH, YEAH, RIGHT HERE. SO THERE'S THIS HARD LINE RIGHT HERE THAT'S REALLY ESSENTIALLY THE DIVISION BETWEEN OLD AND NEW, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PHASING OF CONSTRUCTION. SO FLOOR PLANS. UM, SO AGAIN, I MENTIONED, SO YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, THIS IS WHERE THE MAIN ENTRY WAS. THIS DRIVE IS REALLY IN THE SAME SPOT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. UM, THE OLD DRIVE WAS PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND IN HERE. SO EXTENDING THAT OUT SO WE CAN GET THAT GREATER QUEUING AT THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL WHERE IT IS NECESSARY WHEN YOU'RE LOADING AND UNLOADING BUSES. UM, AND THEN PULLING THAT MAIN ENTRY UP AS FAR ON UP, FAR INTO THE SIDE AS WE CAN TO GET THAT LOGICAL STACKING. IT IS NICE WITH BUSES YOU DO CAN CONTROL WHERE THEY STACK AND QUEUE AND WHERE YOU LET KIDS OUT. SO THERE'S ALREADY A GREAT AMOUNT OF CONTROL THERE FOR THAT. UM, THIS RED AREA IS THE ADMINISTRATION AREA, SO BUILDING INSECURE VESTIBULES, CREATING AREAS OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE EASY FOR THEM TO ACCESS, GOING IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL, BOTH IN THE MAIN ADMIN AND IN DISTRIBUTED ADMINS. YELLOW IS THAT, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PRETTY PICTURES IN A LITTLE BIT THAT'LL HELP EVERYTHING. BUT YELLOW IS THE LIBRARY AND MEDIA CENTER. SO REALLY THE WELCOMING THING AS YOU WALK INTO THE BUILDING AS A VISITOR. UH, AND THEN AS YOU GET BACK TO GREEN, KEEPING KIND OF THE SERVICES ON THE SERVICE SIDE OF THE SIDE AS THEY'VE BEEN HISTORICALLY, THAT'S THE KITCHEN AND DINING. UM, AND THEN, UM, ORANGE ATHLETICS, UM, UM, PURPLE FINE ARTS, AGAIN, KIND OF PUSHING THOSE, THOSE LATTER AREAS BACK TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE. AND THEN BLUE AREAS ARE ALL THE ACADEMIC SPACES. UM, SECOND FLOOR. SO AGAIN, THAT EXISTING AREA, UM, KIND OF REMAINS AS IS. SO MOSTLY ACADEMIC, DARK BLUE SCIENCE LABS, UM, ABOVE THE ADMINISTRATION, WHICH YOU, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE RENDERINGS. SOME OF THAT PURPLE IS FINE ARTS. SO, UM, ART, ART CLASS, LIKE TWO DIMENSIONAL, THREE DIMENSIONAL ART CLASS. UH, AND THEN THE DARK BLUE, SOME OF THE CTE SPACES. SO GIVING THEM PROMINENCE TO OVERLOOK THE MAIN ENTRY. BUT REALLY THE ONLY NEW TWO STORY ADDITION IS OFF TOWARDS THE FLOYD SIDE. SO PRETTY PICTURES. SO THIS IS THE NEW MAIN ENTRY. UM, SO YOUR BACK IS DEPLOYED, YOU'RE STANDING IN THAT EXTENDED QUEUE LANE. UM, THE PARKING THAT IS NOW, UM, SIDE PARKING IS NOW HEAD END PARKING TO GET MORE PARKING AT THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL FOR VISITORS AND THE LIKE. UH, AND SO REALLY ADORNING THE SCHOOL WITH, UM, A NEW MASONRY FACADE, UH, SOME METAL PANEL. SO COMPOSITE METAL PANELS. THEY'RE VERY NICE. THEY'RE VERY HIGH END, NOT SHED NOT BARN, UM, DECORATIVE WOOD TRELLIS TO HELP CREATE THAT SENSE OF, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, I CAN GO DEEP INTO THE, UH, INTO THE DESIGN THOUGHT ON THIS. I'LL PROBABLY, I'LL SPARE YOU FOR NOW. UM, AND THEN YOU START TO SEE THESE CTE SPACES THAT OVERLOOK THAT MAIN ENTRY. UH, THEY ARE SET FORWARD A LITTLE BIT THAN THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THAT'S REALLY TO GIVE US A NICE COVERED AREA FOR STUDENTS TO STAND IN INCLEMENT WEATHER. WE REALIZE THE TRELLIS IS, THE TRELLIS ROOF STRUCTURE IS WELL, BEAUTIFUL, DON'T EXACTLY DO MUCH FOR RAIN. SO WE'VE GOT A PLAN FOR THAT SO THAT THE STUDENTS CAN STAND OUTSIDE WHEN IN INCLEMENT WEATHER. UM, THIS, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN THE, UH, IN THE FEEDBACK MEETINGS AND THEN THE, THE STAKEHOLDER AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK MEETINGS ABOUT THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND THE WAY COMMUNITY ENTERS THE, THE SITE AND DOES ACTIVITIES, UM, FOR STUDENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR. AND SO WE REALLY WANTED TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY DEEPER INTO THE SITE, BUT NOT INTO THAT ACADEMIC PLAZA SPACE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT ON THE LOUDER, MORE, MORE MORE COMMUNITY FOCUSED SIDE OF THE SITE SO THAT AS PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED INTO THE BUILDING, THEY'RE NOT IN THE SECURE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING. SO JUST KIND OF A NICE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE FOR STUDENTS. UM, THIS IS LOOKING BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE. SO OBVIOUSLY DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO SECURE THAT. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE WANDERING INTO A NICE NEW COURTYARD. SO A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF ABILITY TO KEEP IT SAFE FOR STUDENTS. UH, SO THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS. WE'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN THE PROCESS AS YOU GUYS WELL KNOW. WE COME TO YOU GUYS WITH THE IDEA OF A CONCEPT PLAN ON THE SITE AND SOME GOOD IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT ON THE INTERIOR, WE'RE STILL VERY MUCH WORKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS. BUT THIS IS AT THE MAIN ENTRY. SO AS YOUR BACK IS TO THE, THE, THE FRONT, THE, THAT KIND OF FRONT PROMENADE, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THAT LIBRARY SPACE RIGHT THERE. UM, LOTS OF STAIRS TO CONNECT THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL AND LOGICAL PLACES THAT THEY CAN CONTROL AND MAKE SURE STUDENTS CAN GET [00:25:01] UP AND DOWN SAFELY. AND THEN AS YOU WALK DOWN THAT HALLWAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GREETED BY THE, UH, THE NEW CATOR. SO INSIDE THE LIBRARY, UM, I DO WANNA PULL YOUR ATTENTION TO THESE, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE OLD WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING EXTERIOR BUILDING. IT'S IN A SMALL NARROW COURTYARD. SO WE'RE PRESERVING THAT FACADE INSIDE THE NEW CONSTRUC, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, SO THAT WE'RE GETTING BORROWED LIGHT FROM THAT NICE NEW PLAZA SPACE INTO THOSE EXISTING CLASSROOMS. SO THAT REALLY EVERY CLASSROOM HAS SOME NATURAL LIGHT TO IT. UH, THIS IS THE CATOR. SO, UM, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING OUT TOWARDS THE EAST. WE'RE LOOKING OUT TOWARDS THE EAST, UH, IN THIS VIEW. SO KIND OF A LARGE STAGE WITH PLATFORM FOR LOTS OF GREAT FINE ARTS EVENTS. YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT'S THE SERVERY AREA. SO LOTS OF VISIBILITY ON THE SERVER SO EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. UH, INSIDE THE, THE ADMIN AREA OR THE, UH, ACADEMIC AREAS, WE ARE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT, UH, WELL MORE THAN LIGHT, UM, RENOVATION SO THAT WE CAN CREATE MORE OPEN SPACES INSIDE THAT OLD 1970S BUILDING FOOTPRINT. WE WEREN'T KNOWN IN THE SEVENTIES FOR MAKING BUILDINGS WIDE AND OPEN UNLESS THEY WERE OPEN CLASSROOM CONCEPT BUILDINGS, AND WE ALL HATED THOSE. SO THIS IS ABOUT BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT PROVIDING STUDENT-CENTERED SPACES FOR LEARNING WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT THAT BOTH FEEL NICE, OPEN, LIGHT AND AIRY. UH, JUST A VIEW FROM THE ABOVE LOOKING DOWN. SO YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THAT COURTYARD IN THE CENTER. SO REALLY REDEDICATING THAT SPACE TO MORE STUDENT-FOCUSED YOUTH INSTEAD OF JUST A GREAT PLACE FOR TREES TO GROW THOSE TWO GIANT TREES STAY THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL TREES AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP 'EM. UM, BUT, BUT REALLY ACTIVATING THAT COURTYARD BY ALLOWING STUDENTS TO HAVE MORE REGULAR ACCESS OUT TO THAT, THAT SPACE. UH, AND THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE PERMITTING PLANNING PROCESS WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, OBVIOUSLY THE NOVEMBER BOND PASSED. YAY. UM, AND SO WE'RE, THIS IS OUR GENERAL SCHEDULE FOR, FOR WHEN WE'RE HOPING TO START BIDDING, UM, AND THEN, AND THEN START CONSTRUCTION. AND OBVIOUSLY IT FINISHES AUGUST OF 2028. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. SO I AM HERE FOR QUESTIONS. YOU DID IT UNDER 15 MINUTES TOO. THAT WAS GOOD. , , UH, QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SHHE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT PARKING. SO BEING THAT PARKING IS NOT MANDATED WITH A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF SPACES, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE POTENTIALLY INCREASING CAPACITY BY 60%, WHICH I IMAGINE HAS A STAFFING IMPACT AS WELL. BUT PARKING SPACE IS ONLY INCREASED BY SOMETHING LIKE 22 OR 23. IS PARKING CURRENTLY AN ABUNDANCE FOR STAFF? SO THAT'S NOT A CONCERN? YES, AND, AND WE HAVE THE STAFFING NUMBERS BOTH WITH TODAY'S AND THEN THE PLANNED ENROLLMENTS. UM, AND IT'S KIND OF FUNNY, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PHASING AND PLANNING AND HOW THE CONTRACTOR'S GONNA TAKE OVER PORTIONS OF THE SITE, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING WE LOOKED AT IS NORTH PARKING LOT, SOUTH PARKING LOT. HOW MANY SPACES DO WE HAVE? ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT STAFF THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE INTO ONE OF THOSE LOTS? AND YOU CAN GET 'EM ALL INTO THE NORTH. WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON THE SOUTH, BUT WE WE'RE, WE'RE FINE ON PARKING COUNT. COMMISSIONER PURDY, I GUESS THE FOLLOWING QUESTION TO THAT, JUST PERCENTAGE OF THE FUTURE, SIX, SEVENTH, EIGHTH GRADE POPULATION, WHO'S BUSING ANY ESTIMATIONS ON THAT? YES, SO, UH, I THINK CURRENTLY THERE ARE FIVE BUSES, SIX BUSES. AND SO THE LOADING ZONE FOR BUSES IS DESIGNED FOR NINE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN THE FUTURE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, BYRON? OKAY, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, QUESTION ON PARKING. UM, SO THE WAY I READ IT, THERE'S NO EXISTING IN THE EXISTING ZONING, THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS ON PARKING. AND SO AS A PART OF THIS REQUEST, YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT A MINIMUM OF 170. SO YOU'RE LIMITING YOURSELF, AND I'M SURE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC WHY AN APPLICANT WOULD BE LIMITING HIMSELF OR HERSELF ON PARKING. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, 170 WAS SOMETHING WE FELT COMFORTABLE WE COULD ACHIEVE WITH THE SITE PLAN, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE. AND IT TOOK CARE OF MORE THAN ENOUGH OF THE, OF THE STAFF ON CAMPUS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE CONFIDENT WITH THAT NUMBER. WE DID FLUCTUATE BETWEEN A HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT, A HUNDRED SEVENTY TWO BEFORE WE SUBMITTED. UM, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE EXCEED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR IN THE PD. RIGHT. UM, SECOND QUESTION IS, SO IT LOOKED LIKE THAT THE NEW BUILDINGS, THE 52 WERE ATHLETIC COURTS. UM, THERE'S ALREADY A GYM THERE. UM, SO DOES WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OLD GYM? SO, UH, I CAN GO BACK A LITTLE BIT AND JUST KIND OF HELP. SO THE OLD GYM IS PART OF THE DEMOLITION TO CREATE THE NEW GYMS. OKAY. OR THE NEW INTERIOR SPACE FOR, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE FOR THE ATH, UH, FOR THE DINING AND KITCHEN AND CAFETERIA. AND THEN THE FINE ARTS IN [00:30:01] THE EXISTING BUILDING KIND OF EXTEND OUT TO HERE. THE OLD LIBRARY IS, IS OUT HERE. UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT REORGANIZING THE SITE TO GET THOSE ADJACENCIES THAT WE WANT. WE WANT THE ACADEMICS WHERE WE WANT THEM IN THE OLD BUILDING, WE WANT THE MEDIA CENTER BETWEEN THE ACADEMICS AND THE LOUD SPACES, AND THEN WE WANT THE LOUD SPACES PUSHED OUT. THAT'S WHY IT'S ORGANIZED THE WAY THAT IT'S, AND SO THE, THE GANTT CHART THAT YOU SHOWED HAS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PERMITTING, BUT THEN ONCE YOU START DEMOING, I GUESS IT ASSUMES THAT THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT LASTS MULTIPLE YEARS WHILE THERE'S USAGE GOING ON. IN OTHER WORDS, STUDENTS THERE. UM, BUT IT WON'T BE UNTIL FINAL PROJECT COMPLETE THAT THE MIGRATION FROM JUST SEVENTH AND EIGHTH TO SIXTH, SEVENTH AND EIGHTH HAPPENS. SO THE STUDENTS THAT HAPPEN TO BE THERE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT THREE YEARS, UM, THEY'LL BE LIVING IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE OR GOING TO SCHOOL IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NATURALLY THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE IN WEST AND APOLLO TOO. UM, SO I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. NOT THAT, I'M JUST CURIOUS NOW AS A CITIZEN, UM, HOW TO, HOW TO HOW YOU THINK ABOUT EDUCATION IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. SURE. AND, UM, THIS IS NOT NEW FOR US AS AN ARCHITECT. WE DESIGN A LOT OF TRANSFORMATIONAL BUILDINGS, WHICH INVOLVE STUDENTS ON CAMPUS, ON CAMPUS REBUILDS. UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, SENSITIVITY IN TERMS OF HOW YOU CAN MOVE KIDS THROUGHOUT THAT CAMPUS THROUGHOUT A PROCESS LIKE THIS. GENERALLY WE TRY TO MOVE KIDS ONCE, RIGHT? SO IF WE MOVE THEM, KEEP 'EM THERE, AND THEN WHEN WE'RE DONE, THEY MOVE BACK. I MEAN, THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING WE STRIVE FOR. AND HAVING THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK ON BOARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, IS GREAT BECAUSE THEY CAN HELP US FINITE DRIVE DOWN INTO THOSE LEVELS OF DETAIL IN OUR DOCUMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PHASING IS GONNA WORK FROM THAT FOR THEM AND IT'S GONNA WORK FOR THE CAMPUS. SO THE PRINCIPLE WITH THIS CAMPUS HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO HELP UNDERSTAND HOW WE MOVE THROUGH. I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS CAMPUS THAT, UM, DEREK HAD BROUGHT UP EARLIER, IT IS UNDER THE CAPACITY OF WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR. SO THERE IS SOME SWING SPACE ALREADY BUILT INTO THE CAMPUS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO MOVE KIDS THROUGHOUT THAT, THAT THE PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC AND DID, UM, DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING AND MAYBE THAT'S IN ONE OF THE, UH, APPENDIXES OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY ABOUT THE LEFT TURN LANE ON WESTBOUND CAMPBELL AT NANTUCKET. UM, AND, AND THIS REALLY HAS TO DO WITH OPENING UP THIS NEW DRIVEWAY B AND DRIVE DI THINK YOU'RE CALLING IT, UH, FOR THE SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADERS. UM, SEEMS TO ME THAT DID, DID YOU LOOK AT FURTHER OUT, UH, ON THE STUDY, ON THE STUDY IMPACT AREA TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE ON THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION? 'CAUSE I'M THINKING IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, FOLKS TRAVELING WESTBOUND ON CAMPBELL, UH, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN ON THE SOUTHBOUND NANTUCKET TO COME INTO THIS DRIVEWAY AND, AND RIGHT THERE. YEAH. UM, BECAUSE THE ONLY OTHER WAY I GUESS WOULD BE OLD CAMPBELL, UH, UH, CERTAINLY IF THEY'RE EASTBOUND ON CAMPBELL, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN TO GO SOUTH ON NANTUCKET. BUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY I WAS THINKING ABOUT AS I WAS GOING OVER THERE TO LOOK AT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SINGLE LEFT HAND TURN LANE TODAY AT, AT THAT CAMPBELL NANTUCKET LIGHT. SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU ON HOW FAR WE LOOKED AT THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF THE OUTLAY FOR THE IMPACT OF THAT SIGNAL. WE DID TALK ABOUT IT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY ENGINEERING STAFF, AND SO IF THERE'S MORE OR INFORMATION WE NEED TO PROVIDE, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT . I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, AND I CAN ADD TO THAT, UM, IN TALKING WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY STAFF, UM, EARLIER TODAY, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S ANY IMPLICATIONS TO THE VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS. UM, WE WERE NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING AT THIS AT THIS TIME, SO I KNOW OUR TEAMS HAVE BEEN HEAVILY STUDYING THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE MEDIC AND, UM, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WOULD BE OF A CONCERN. OKAY. WELL, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD, I WOULD THINK, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING ABOUT, UM, AND, UH, LOOKING AT FURTHER, FURTHER OUT, BECAUSE I THINK IT, FOR THE MOST PART, IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ON THE SIDE QUEUING AND, YOU KNOW, UH, DROP OFF AND DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT, I MEAN, WE HEARD COMMENT ABOUT, UM, DEEP [00:35:01] VALLEY BACKING UP AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S HAPPENING TODAY. WAS THERE ANY STUDY OF OH, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT OR THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE QUEUING ON FLOYD VERSUS WHAT AFTER THIS HAPPENS, WHAT THAT'LL LOOK LIKE? SO THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE, INCLUDING YOUR PACKET ACKNOWLEDGED THEM STUDYING 10 INTERSECTIONS. SO YEAH, UM, NOTHING WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OF ANY CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. UM, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY LOOK INTO THAT BETWEEN THE CPC MEETING AND COUNCIL, JUST TO, TO REITERATE THAT TO YOUR POINT, SHOULD COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ON THAT ASPECT. SO MUCH OF THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE IMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH FLOYD ROAD, UM, ALSO, UM, EVALUATING VERY CLOSELY NANTUCKET WITH, UH, VEHICLES UTILIZING THAT, THAT NORTHERN PORTION OF NANTUCKET, GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL USES ON EITHER SIDE OF IT, IT'S A COLLECTOR STREET WITH, UM, BEFORE IT, IT TRANSITIONED MORE TO A LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STREET FARTHER TO THE EAST. SO WE BELIEVE THAT NANTUCKET WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE OR HANDLE THE DEMAND THAT'S BEING PLACED ON THAT WITH THE RESULT OF THAT NEW DRIVE THAT'S THAT LOCATION. AND THEN ALSO WE GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF, UH, FEEDBACK FROM AREA RESIDENTS JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE IMPACTS ON FLOYD IN DEEP VALLEY. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE R-R-I-S-D-R-I-S-D TEAM, LET ME GET THAT OUT BETTER, UM, ON MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT TOGETHER A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IS ABLE TO HELP ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH OVER THE PAST YEARS. YEAH. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, JUST UH, ON FLOYD ITSELF, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS THERE. UM, AND, UH, I'M THINKING OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TURNING MOVEMENTS. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, DRIVE C UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT AN ENTRY, YOU'VE GOT AN EXIT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT IN THERE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC EXITING WANT TO GO RIGHT OR LEFT ONTO FLOYD. UH, SAME THING WITH THE BUSES EXITING, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING MOVEMENTS EITHER DIRECTION, I ASSUME ON FLOYD AND THEN, UH, AT THE SOUTH END. LOOKS LIKE THAT'S NOW GONNA BE EXIT ONLY, IS THAT RIGHT? THE SOUTHERNMOST DRIVE AT THE SOUTH END WILL ACCOMMODATE INGRESS AND RES OH, BOTH, OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE OF THAT PARKING LOT THAT IS THERE. OKAY, SO YOU DO HAVE YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S TWO LANES, THAT DRIVEWAY. UM, SO IT'S JUST THE CROSSING MOVEMENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO WANNA PARK THERE WITH THE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE DR THE DROP OFF TRAFFIC THAT'S NOW EXITING AND TRYING TO GET INTO THAT. SO TO ME IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LACKING IN TERMS OF THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT WE RECEIVED IN TERMS OF, UH, SOME OF THOSE THINGS. UM, I DEFINITELY SEE HOW WE'RE ADDING TO THE, THE QUEUE AND THE STACKING, UH, LINK, UH, WITH, UH, ALL THESE DRIVEWAYS, BUT IT JUST, I FELT LIKE THE INFORMATION DIDN'T GO KIND OF FURTHER OUT TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE IMPACTS MORE CAREFULLY. AND, AND MAYBE THEY ARE, MAYBE WE JUST DIDN'T SEE 'EM. COMMISSIONER QUIRK. YEAH, I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT I MEAN, SPEAKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW AT, AS COMMISSIONER ROBERTS SAID DURING THE PRE-BRIEFING, I HAD TWO KIDS GO THROUGH RICHARDSON NORTH AND, UH, THE, THE DRIVE A AND DRIVE C PROBLEM EXISTS TODAY. SO I MEAN, ADDING THE, THE, THE OTHER ENTRANCE ON NANTUCKET, I MEAN OFF NANTUCKET, IT CAN'T, CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT HELP. I MEAN, NOT ONLY DID PEOPLE QUEUE UP IN THAT, THAT FRONT DRIVE THERE WHERE THE BUSES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT THEY ALSO QUEUED UP IN THAT SOUTHERN LOT AND THEY JUST, PEOPLE JUST PARK ALL ALONG FLOYD THERE. AND THEN I DIDN'T REALLY NOTICE IT IN MY DAY, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ON DEEP VALLEY TOO. SO I, I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT HELP. I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON TRAFFIC FLOW OFF, OFF CAMPBELL THERE, I'D MAYBE BE MORE CONCERNED. 'CAUSE I THINK PART OF THE FEEDER, UH, UH, POPULATION THAT COMES IN THERE IS TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY TOO. SO I'M WONDERING WITH, WITH SIXTH GRADERS EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE GONNA NAVIGATE THAT TO GET BACK IN THERE. SO TO GET BACK TO THAT NANTUCKET ENTRANCE. SO, BUT I, I GUESS WE'LL SEE AS THAT FLOWS DOWN. BUT MY, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR STAFF TOO, I WAS BACK ON PAGE 12 OF THE, WHERE WE LIST THE PROPO PROPOSED PD STANDARDS. I THINK THAT'S THE, THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER. IS THAT YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO MAYBE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE [00:40:01] ON BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THE 52 FEET, IT'S BASICALLY GONNA BE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION UP ON THE NORTH. UH, THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS THE BUILDING HEIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY, MOST OF THAT EXISTS ALREADY, IF I UNDERSTAND THE PLAN, RIGHT, IS THAT THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE BUILDING IS WHERE A LOT OF, WHERE A LOT OF THAT EXISTS AND IT'S GONNA BE AN EXISTING BUILDING. THEY'RE NOT REALLY PROPOSING ANY CHANGES THERE. PARKING IS A SELF-IMPOSED ONE, FENCING THAT KIND OF EXISTS TODAY AS WELL, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE EIGHT FEET AROUND THE, THE ATHLETIC FACILITY THERE, UH, AND THEN SCREENING WALLS AND, AND, UH, LANDSCAPING. SO IS, IS THAT KIND OF REALLY WHEN WE GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? YES. THE STANDARDS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT LIST, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT, OKAY. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE EXISTING CONSTRAINTS OF AN OTHERWISE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT APPLIES ON THE PROPERTY. SO THEY ARE SEEKING RELIEF TO, UM, THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS. ONE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, IT, IT'S VERY LIMITING WITH WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE INSTITUTIONAL TYPE USES SUCH AS A SCHOOL OR A WORSHIP FACILITY, IS IS TYPICALLY ANOTHER LAND USE THAT KIND OF RUNS INTO THOSE CHALLENGES. WE HAVE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT MAKE REFERENCE TO THE LOCAL RETAIL ONE ZONING DISTRICT. BUT EVEN THAT ZONING DISTRICT HAS LIMITATIONS THAT, UM, MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SCHOOL CAMPUS THAT IS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS OF FAMILIES TODAY WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATING THEIR STUDENTS. SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN DEVELOPING A SET OF ZONING REQUIREMENTS AS PROVIDED FOR IN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST THEM WITH BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THIS TYPE OF, OF SCHOOL FACILITY AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. OUR USE OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ORDINANCE IS NOT NEW TO RICHARDSON. UM, THAT'S A PRACTICE THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST, IN PARTICULAR IN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN AROUND OR, OR AT LEAST AWARE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUSES, THE, THE, THE MAX, THE, THE MULTIPURPOSE ATHLETIC CENTERS. UM, I KNOW WE DID SOME PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT JUST BECAUSE OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING STANDARDS WITH SOME LIGHT RETAIL COMMERCIAL TOUCH TO IT ARE JUST NOT ABLE TO, UM, BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THE SCHOOL CAMPUS THAT RASD SEEKS TO ACHIEVE TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY. YEAH, I WASN'T SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO FOCUS IN ON WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA VOTE ON HERE IN A MINUTE. SO THOSE STANDARDS THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR IN THAT ATTACHMENT, I, I WOULD FOCUS ON THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE, UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HELP ACCOMMODATE FOR THIS FACILITY. OKAY. AND THEN, AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WAS IN OUR, OUR PACKET THAT, THAT WE LOOKED AT THERE WAS, WAS ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, EITHER POLICE OFFICERS OR SECURITY STAFF FROM, FROM THE SCHOOL, UH, MONITORING THOSE ENTRANCES AND EXIT SO THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T TRY TO CHEAT, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, TO GO OUT ONTO NANTUCKET AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I JUST WONDERED IF THAT'S STILL PART OF THE PLAN? 'CAUSE I I AM, I'M ACTUALLY AT BURTNER HIGH SCHOOL TWO DAYS A WEEK, AND I I, AND IT'S PROBABLY TRUE OF ANY SCHOOL, I MEAN THE, THE DROP OFF AND PICKUP IS A, IS JUST A ZOO. I MEAN, PEOPLE, WHETHER THERE'S ANYBODY THERE OR NOT TEND TO JUST DO WHAT THEY WANT. SO, UH, AND AS TIGHT AN AREA AS THIS IS AND AS CLOSE AS IT IS TO, TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, THEY STAY FOCUSED ON THAT. COMMISSIONER SHAHE, I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY, UH, PART OF WHAT COMMISSIONER QUIRK SAID, I THINK WITH THE LIMITED SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING FROM RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS 592 POTENTIAL PARENTS AND BUSES COMING IN ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF FLOYD, WE NOW HAVE TWO ENTRANCES OFF OF FLOYD SEPARATING BUSES AS WELL AS VEHICLES AND A POPULATION OF AT A MAXIMUM 400 STUDENTS. SO WHILE I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE MAY BE STILL AN IMPACT TO KIND OF COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORS AND ALL OF THAT, I KIND OF APPRECIATE THE ATTEMPTED DISBURSEMENT AND I THINK THAT VERY LONG DRIVE ALONG NANTUCKET WILL PROBABLY MAKE A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE FOR THE LARGER POPULATION OF, OF STUDENTS THAT, THAT WILL SERVE COMMISSIONER COURT. YEAH, SHE, SHE MENTIONED ONE, ONE THING ABOUT THE POPULATION THERE, AND THAT WAS, IT WAS A QUESTION THAT VICE CHAIR THOMASON ASKED IN THE PRE-BRIEFING, WHAT DOES, DOES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT KNOW WHAT THE POPULATION OF THE SCHOOL WAS WHEN [00:45:01] IT WAS SEVENTH, EIGHTH, AND NINTH, 800, 900 ISH, UP SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 900. THANKS. AND, UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST IN HERE TO, UM, EXEMPT THE, UH, THE PROJECT FROM AN EIGHT FOOT TALL, UM, FENCE. UM, DO YOU KNOW HOW HIGH YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO WITH THE FENCE? SO THAT'S SPECIFICALLY AROUND, UM, SOME OF THE ATHLETIC EVENTS. SO LIKE SHOT PUT AND DISCUS. UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT FOOT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. YOU NEED MORE 10, 12 FOOT. OKAY. THAT'S FOR SAFETY. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT REALLY A REQUEST, SO TO SPEAK. DO THEY USE LIKE, UM, NETTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S IT COULD BE, YEAH. IT DEPENDS. I MEAN, CHAIN LINK NETTING, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. UH, WELL THANK YOU. UM, SO WE'LL, UM, THIS CERTAINLY A, A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AND SO WE'D LIKE TO INVITE THE REST OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE TO, UH, MAKE ANY COMMENTS THEY HAVE EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. AND DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED UP? NO. WOULD IS ANY, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP WITH THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? AND WE HAVE JUST THE ONE, UH, COMMENT CARD THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET IN OPPOSITION. RIGHT. UH, NORMALLY WE GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY OTHER REMARKS, UH, BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, NO, SIR. JUST SIMPLY, I WANNA THANK THE CITY STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US, UM, REALLY GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, ALL THE THINGS THAT GOT US TO THIS POINT. UH, IT WAS VERY COLLABORATIVE, UH, AND, AND WE WEREN'T ENSURE WE, WE SATISFIED AS BEST WE COULD, UH, WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE AS WELL. SO JUST A BIG THANK YOU TO CITY STAFF AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR CONSIDERING THIS CASE. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, NO, WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, WELL, NO OTHER COMMENTS. I ENTERTAIN MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I MOTION THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE CLOSED. GOT A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER QUIRK. I'LL SECOND. YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR PASS UNANIMOUSLY. UH, WE'RE NOW OPEN FOR DEBATE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UM, COMMENTS OR, UH, A MOTION? JUST SOME CO I'LL JUST MAKE SOME COMMENTS. UM, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION, GREAT PROJECT. YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EXCITING, UH, TO SEE THE, THE SCHOOL EVOLVE. UH, I ATTENDED NORTH JUNIOR HIGH IN 1970, SO, UH, THAT WAS SEVENTH, EIGHTH, AND NINTH GRADE, I'D SAY IT WAS THAT LONG AGO. UH, BUT IT PRETTY MUCH LOOKS THE, THE WAY IT DID BACK THEN. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A LONG TIME. UH, SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO, TO SEE, UH, WHAT'S PLANNED THERE. UM, I DO THINK THE OPENING UP THE OTHER DRIVES WHAT YOU'VE DONE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA IMPROVE THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND, AND GET SOME OF THOSE CARS OFF THE STREETS. BUT I DO, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON SOME OF THOSE OUTER, UM, INTERSECTIONS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I, I KNOW YOU WORK WITH, UH, THE, UH, THE PARENTS IN THE CITY ON, UH, YOU KNOW, STAGING AND, UH, THE SCHEDULING AS WHEN THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ALL GOING ON TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. SO I DEFINITELY, IT'S BEING IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. I, UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, ALSO EXCITING. I THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN, UH, I JUST LIVE NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE, BUT, UH, KEEPING IN MIND ALSO WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT I THINK WON A, UH, UH, COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENT AWARD AND ALL THAT, I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE HOW IT TURNS OUT. UM, THAT SAID, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR ZONING FILE 25 17 TO BE APPROVED AS WRITTEN. COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ZONING FILE 25 17 AS PRESENTED. COMMISSIONER POYNTER SECOND, UH, WE GOT A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER POINTER NOW THAT I FOUND OUT YOU'RE OLDER THAN I AM FOR ATTENDING NORTH JUNIOR. OH, YEAH. I FEEL CONFIDENT. NO DOUBT. I'M THE OLDEST HERE, SO, [00:50:01] UM, OKAY. AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND GOOD LUCK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. [4. Zoning File 25-19 – Planned Development - Twilight Plaza: A request to rezone approximately 2.39 acres located at 508 Twilight Trail, on the north side of Twilight Trail, west of Custer Road, from O-M Office to PD Planned Development for O-M Office to accommodate additional uses. Owner: Pardue Twilight Plaza Ltd. Staff: Derica Peters.] ALL RIGHT, UH, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON OUR AGENDA IS ZONING FILE 25 DASH 19. THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR TWILIGHT PLAZA. MS. PETERS, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REONE THE PROPERTY AT 5 0 8 TWILIGHT TRAIL. THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TWILIGHT TRAIL IN WEST OF CUSTER ROAD AND SOUTH OF ARAPAHO, WHERE CUSTER MEETS ARAPAHO. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OM OFFICE AND HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH TWO SINGLE STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WITH RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND COMMERCIAL USES. THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS ALSO A RETAIL AND RESTAURANT. USES THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH ACROSS TWILIGHT TRAIL IS THE YMCA OF RICHARDSON CAMPUS. AND THE PROPERTY, UH, TO THE WEST OF THIS SUBJECT SITE IS ZONED OFFICE AND HAS ALSO BEEN DEVELOPED WITH A OFFICE BUILDING. HERE ARE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE TODAY. THIS IS THE FRONT ENTRANCE FROM TWILIGHT TRAIL, AND THE SECOND PHOTO IS THE INTERIOR COURTYARD, WHERE YOU SEE THE, UH, FOUNTAIN PERGOLAS SEATING AREAS AND SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE INTERIOR COURTYARD. HERE ARE THE WEST AND EAST ELEVATIONS. AND THEN THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHERE YOU SEE THE, UH, BUILDINGS ARE SEPARATED BY A FENCE AND A PEDESTRIAN GATE. SO THERE ARE NO PROPOSED SITE MODIFICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST. THIS IS THE SITE. THE SITE IS 2.3 ACRES. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS, UH, SINGLE STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT TOTAL 26,500 SQUARE FEET. AND THE OFFICE SITE TODAY, TODAY PROVIDES 116 PARKING SPACES. OKAY, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONED FROM OFFICE TO P PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THE OM OFFICE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2019, AND THEY, AT THE TIME, THEY DID SOME EXTERIOR UPGRADES, INCLUDING PAINTING, LANDSCAPING, A NEW COURTYARD, FOUNTAIN AND LIGHTING. HOWEVER, THEY SAID SINCE 2020 THEY HAVE HAD LIMITED INTEREST IN TRADITIONAL OFFICE SPACE USERS, AND THEY HAVE NOT ACQUIRED ANY NEW TENANTS SINCE THAT TIME. UM, INSTEAD WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN MARKETING TO POTENTIAL TENANTS, THEY'VE RECEIVED INTEREST FROM A WIDE RANGE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THIS STANDARD OFFICE DISTRICT. UH, THE PD STANDARDS, UH, INCLUDE THREE REQUESTED EXCEPTIONS. THE FIRST IS RELATED TO THE USES. SO THE OFFICE DISTRICT IS PRETTY LIMITED. IT ALLOWS OFFICES AND THAT INCLUDES BANKS, MEDICAL OFFICES. SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, IN ADDITION TO OFFICE USES THE FOLLOWING WOULD BE ALLOWED. THAT INCLUDES BAKERY, COMMUNITY GARDEN, FINE ARTS STUDIO, A HEALTH CLUB, INCLUDING A YOGA, YOGA STUDIO, PERSONAL CARE SERVICES, A COMMUNITY THEATER, FLORIST, PHOTOGRAPHY OR ART STUDIO, A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH. AND RETAIL. ALSO, THEY ARE SEEKING AN EXCEPTION FROM THE PARKING STANDARDS. THE ZONING CODE ESTABLISHES A PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR EACH OF THOSE. USE EACH OF THOSE USES THAT RANGES FROM ONE SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET TO ONE SPACE TO PER 333 SQUARE FEET. DEPENDING ON THE USE THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED INSTEAD TO REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 116 PARKING SPACES. THEY'VE ALSO SEEK AN EXCEPTION TO THE DUMPSTER SCREENING REQUIREMENT. A DUMPSTER IS REQUIRED TO BE SCREENED BY A SIX FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL. HOWEVER, THE DUMPSTERS ARE CURRENTLY SCREENED BY A WOOD SCREENING FENCE, WHICH THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN. THE ENVISION RICHARDSON FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS PART OF THE WEST ARAPAHO ENHANCEMENT AREA. THIS ENHANCEMENT AREA DID, UH, HAVE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES THAT WERE ACKNOWLEDGED AS POTENTIAL PRIMARY PLACE TYPES. AND THE REQUESTED USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE ENVISIONED PLACE TYPES. SHOULD THE CPC ACCEPT THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING SPECIAL CONDITIONS. THE SITE WOULD BE ZONED TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE OM OFFICE DISTRICT AND SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT, DISTRICT OF OM OFFICE, EXCEPT FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS I MENTIONED. AND IT SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN. AND THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING. WE RECEIVED TWO COMMENTS AND OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST. THOSE ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU. ONE OF THOSE WAS FROM A NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNER AND ONE OF THOSE FROM WAS FROM A NEIGHBORING OFFICE PROPERTY OWNER. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. [00:55:03] I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER POYNTER WAS FIRST. NO. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO. OH, OKAY. OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER , JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO UNDER THE OM OFFICE, YOU HAVE INCIDENTAL RESTAURANT DOES IT SUPPORTS AN OFFICE BUILDING MM-HMM . SO THAT BY DEFINITION WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A CAFETERIA AS OPPOSED TO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE WE SEE RESTAURANTS. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S INCIDENT. SO THAT'S DISTINCTION. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MM-HMM . THAT IS CORRECT. AND CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT A COMMUNITY GARDEN IS? I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF THAT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND IF SO, WHERE WOULD THAT BE ON THE SITE? AND MAYBE THAT'S FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK SO. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I'M NOT SEEING ONE, I'M NOT SEEING A DEFINITION FOR COMMUNITY GARDEN OR GARDEN. ARE THE REST OF THESE DEFINED, LIKE FINE ARTS, STUDIO, BAKERY, BAKERY'S DIFFERENT FROM A, FROM A RESTAURANT USE BAKERY IS DEFINED AS A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT FOR, FOR THE PRODUCTION AND SALE OF BAKED GOODS ON THE PREMISES. AND THEN I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR FINE ARTS STUDIO. YES. IT MEANS A SCHOOL TEACHING CLASSES IN FINE ARTS SUCH AS DANCE, MUSIC, PAINTING, SCULPTING, AND DRAMA. OKAY. I'M SURE YOU GOT HEALTH CLUB. MM-HMM . RIGHT? PERSONAL CARE SERVICES, UM, HEALTH WELLNESS. AND I'M THINKING, IS THIS LIKE A NAIL SALON? UM, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER PERSONAL CARE? UH, MASSAGE IS, IS IT A FINE? UH, UH, MASSAGE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. ALREADY IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. UH, MASSAGE IS ALLOWED AT ANY DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS A MEDICAL OFFICE USER BECAUSE OF MASSAGE, THE STUDIO SHOULD BE TREATED AS A MEDICAL PRACTITIONER. SO THAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE OFFICE DISTRICT ALREADY. WE DO NOT HAVE A DEFINITION FOR PERSONAL CARE SERVICES, BUT WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR MASSAGE SERVICES. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR VARIOUS, UM, SORTS OF USES THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THERE. LIKE A, YEAH, YOU KNOW, . BUT IS THAT, UH, BY RIGHT ON MASSAGE OR IS THAT A SPECIAL PERMIT? UM, THAT IS BY, RIGHT. THAT SHOULD PROBABLY NOT BE LISTED HERE. I'M SORRY. I MEANT TO TAKE THAT OUT. THAT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT TODAY. OKAY. AND FOR RESTAURANT. OKAY. VICE CHAIRMAN THOMASON, ONE THING I MISSED IN THE, UH, BRIEFING, UM, YOU HAD A SCREENING, THERE'S A SCREENING WALL FOR THE WASTE CONTAINERS. I GUESS IT'S REQUIRED TO BE MASONRY. IT'S WOODEN TODAY. SO EFFECTIVELY THAT'S A CODE VIOLATION, I WOULD IMAGINE, OR SOME, SOME, SOME SORT OF VIOLATION THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO EITHER CLEAN UP. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY POINT OF VIEW, SORT OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MASONRY AND WOOD. OBVIOUSLY I UNDER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MASONRY AND WOOD, BUT FOR THIS PURPOSE, UM, SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT? UM, OR IS THIS JUST CLEANING UP SOMETHING LITERALLY I WILL FIRST CALL OUT WHERE THOSE DUMPSTERS ARE LOCATED ON THE SITE PLAN HERE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IN THE NORTHWEST REAR OF THE PROPERTY. I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, THEY'RE, I, I PRESUME THEY WERE PERMITTED TO THE ENCLOSURES. UM, WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK AND VERIFY THAT. HOWEVER. UM, SO MY GUESS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING THOUGH IS ACTUALLY CLEANING UP AN ISSUE WHERE WE ALLOWED FOR THE WOODEN FENCING INSTEAD OF THE MASONRY. TYPICALLY, WE'RE INTERESTED IN THE MASONRY FENCE, THE MASONRY SCREENING WALLS AROUND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE DURABLE AND STURDY RIGHT. COMPARED TO A WOOD FENCE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT A WOOD FENCE CANNOT BE ACCEPTABLE IF IT'S MAINTAINED PROPERLY AND KEPT IN GOOD CONDITIONS. SO, BUT WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, IT WAS TO, UM, BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXISTING SITUATION SINCE THAT ENCLOSURE DOES NOT COMPLY WITH TODAY'S REGULATIONS. SO ARE THE, ARE THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS MOVING? THERE'S TWO TODAY. THEY'RE NOT AND THEY'RE MOVING OR THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT MOVING. NO, THEY'RE NOT. OKAY. IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING ON THAT EXHIBIT B. UM, 'CAUSE IT SAYS NEW OPAQUE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES, I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT MAY BE ADDING A GATE GATES, AND SO THOSE GATES, UM, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, TO BE OPAQUE SO THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH, SO THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE IMPROVING THE, UM, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES BY PROVIDING THOSE GATES. OKAY. [01:00:04] AND, UH, JUST, UH, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, ANY, ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING INSIDE THE COURTYARD VERSUS ON THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER? I GUESS NOT. NO. I, I THINK IN, IN TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FELT THAT THEY, UM, WOULD BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE MIX OF TENANTS THAT ARE IN THERE AND THE PARKING SITUATION, UM, AND WHAT TIME OF DAY THOSE GATES ARE OPEN AND WHO CAN ACCESS THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT PARKING AREAS. UM, I CAN LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK MORE TO, TO WHAT THEIR PLAN IS FOR, FOR MANAGING THE PARKING ON SITE. UM, BUT BASED ON THE MIXTURE OF USES THAT THEY'RE PLANNING AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THAT HAVE PEAK OPERATING HOURS, UM, STAFF FELT CONFIDENT THAT, UM, THE, THE PARKING THAT IS CURRENTLY PROVIDED CAN MEET THE, UH, THE DEMAND FOR THE MIXTURE OF, OF USES THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED. I WOULD AGREE. AND I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, SO THE WAY THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS STRUCTURED, IT OFFERS SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THE RETENANTING OF THIS SPACE. SO, UM, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UM, HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM BASE CODE, UM, IN SEVERAL OF THOSE SUB-DISTRICTS, IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE OF A SIMPLISTIC PARKING APPROACH WITH HAVING A MORE STANDARDIZED RATIO, RECOGNIZING THAT IN MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE POTENTIAL TURNOVER OF, OF TENANTS. AND SO FOCUSING ON USES THAT HAVE, UM, MORE COMPARABLE DEMANDS, IF YOU WILL TODAY, UM, TO ANDREW'S POINT, IT'LL, IT'S ALSO INCUMBENT UPON THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THEIR, THEIR PARKING BASED UPON THE, THE USES THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE. BUT WHEN WE HAVE SPACES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO, UM, HELP WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR RETENANTING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF USES, HAVING A MORE STANDARDIZED PARKING REQUIREMENT, UM, ASSISTS WITH THAT. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ROBERTS? UH, NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION. THIS IS, UH, SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT THIS IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, ATTRACT TENANTS TO THE TRADITIONAL OFFICE SPACE. SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HIGHER, BETTER USE OF THE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT TENANTS. BUT THEN ALSO, UM, IN THE COMIC CARD, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE ON THE RESTAURANT, IF THERE'S BEEN, UH, COMMUNICATION OF WHAT THE HOURS OF THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE OR THE COMMUNITY THEATER THERE HAS NOT. OKAY. THAT'S, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANT, SO, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WELL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, UH, TO MAKE THEIR REMARKS. IS THAT WORKING? SORRY, . THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME'S TAYLOR PARDUE. UH, I LIVE AT 9 0 7 BEACHWOOD DRIVE, AND I OFFICE OUT OF 5 0 8 TWILIGHT TRAIL. AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNERS IN OUR REQUEST TO REZONE OUR PROPERTY, UH, KNOWN AS TWILIGHT PLAZA. TWILIGHT PLAZA IS THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS OF OUR FAMILY'S 50 PLUS YEAR OLD PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BUSINESS. I WORK WITH MY TWO BROTHERS AND FATHER, MY BROTHER AND I, MY BROTHERS AND I SPENT ALL 13 YEARS OF PRIMARY SCHOOL IN RISD. UH, WE WENT THROUGH SPRING VALLEY, WESTWOOD, AND ALL GRADUATED FROM RHS. WE'RE ALL FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LIVE ABOUT A MILE FROM OUR OFFICE, AND ALL OF OUR KIDS ARE CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN RISD SCHOOLS. UH, THIS PROPERTY AND ITS FUTURE IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO US, UH, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE PROPERTY. UH, TWILIGHT PLAZA WAS BUILT IN 97, 19 97 BY THREE BROTHERS. UH, THE SYNERGY THERE IS KIND OF NEAT. UM, AS THEIR COMPANY HEADQUARTERS, THEY BUILT A VERY SPECIAL PROPERTY MODELED AFTER THEIR MEXICAN HACIENDA. THEY FREQUENTED, UH, WITH IMPORTED CANERA STONE, MAHOGANY DOORS, AND WINDOWS AND SALTILLO TILE FLOORS AS THEY AGED OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS. ASPECTS OF THE PROPERTY FELL INTO DISREPAIR, AND IT ONLY HAD TWO, TWO TENANTS. WHEN WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN 2019, UH, WHEN WE ACQUIRED IT, WE MOVED OUR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS FROM DALLAS TO RICHARDSON. UM, AFTER PURCHASING, WE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN RESTORATIONS AND CONTINUED TO DO SO AS NEEDED. SINCE 2019, WE WERE REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED AND [01:05:01] PAINTED THE STUCCO FACADE. UH, WE PUT A NEW ROOF ON, WE REFINISHED THE DOOR, UH, THE DOORS AND WINDOWS. WE WERE REPLACED, FAILING STONEWORK, UPDATED THE LIGHTING, REFRESHED THE LANDSCAPING, AND MADE THE COURTYARD. FOUND AN AREA, A RETREAT. UH, IT'S NICE. UH, WE OFFICE OUT OF THERE WHEN WE SEE OUR TENANTS COME OUT ON A RARE NICE DAY, UM, AND SIT OUTSIDE BY THE FOUNTAIN. UM, OUR CURRENT TENANT BASE IN, IN ADDITION TO OUR CORPORATE OFFICE, WE HAVE TWO AWARD-WINNING AD AGENCIES AND A LOCAL INSURANCE COMPANY. THE INSURANCE COMPANY WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL TENANTS, AND THEY TAKE GREAT CARE OF THEIR SPACE. UM, SINCE 2021, AS WAS MENTIONED, WE'VE SEEN VERY LITTLE INTEREST IN TRADITIONAL OFFICE SPACE. WE HAVE NOT ACQUIRED A NEW TENANT SINCE WE'VE ONLY HAD SERIOUS INTEREST FROM BUSINESSES, MORE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE SURROUNDING RETAIL ZONING AND, BUT WHO WANT MORE OF AN INTIMATE AND SPECIAL SETTING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. UM, WE MET AND REACHED OUT TO, UH, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE REACHED OUT TO THE RETAIL SPACES, UM, AS WELL AS THE Y UM, WE MADE CONTACT WITH A FEW OF THEM, UM, AND THE ONES WE WERE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH EITHER WERE ENTHUSIASTIC OR SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH OUR REQUEST. UM, HOWEVER, WE FOCUSED MO MOST OF OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO THE HEIGHTS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, WE MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE PRESIDENT, JEFF DAVIS, UM, AS WELL AS DAN WASHBURN, UH, AND SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, THEY SENT OUT, UM, A LITTLE BRIEF IN THEIR NEWSLETTER TO THEIR OVER 1000 MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THEY FORWARDED US A LOT OF THEIR POSITIVE RESPONSES. UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED USES, UM, ENCOMPASS PREVIOUS AND CURRENT TENANT INTEREST AND THE DESIRES CONVEYED TO US BY THE HEIGHTS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THAT IS TO PROVIDE USES THE COMMUNITY CAN, COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY, UH, WHICH A STANDARD OFFICE CAN'T PROVIDE. UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT REQUEST THE USES REQUESTED IN THE PD FIT THOSE DESIRES. I DO WANNA TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO DIVIDE A LITTLE COLOR ON SOME OF THE USES WE'RE PROPOSING AND SOME CONCERNS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO THINK THROUGH. UH, NUMBER ONE, KEEPING THE COMMUNITY FEEL AND DOING RIGHT BY OUR CURRENT TENANTS. UM, AS THIS IS A CURRENT CORPORATE OFFICE THAT WE OFFICE OUT OF DAILY, AND WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY BEYOND JUST FILLING THE SPACES, WE WOULD ONLY CHOOSE THE RIGHT TENANT FOR THE PROPERTY. IN FACT, WE HAVE TURNED DOWN SOME PREVIOUS INTERESTS THAT WOULD DISRUPT OUR OPERATIONS. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED, UM, REGARDING THE TRASH AND SCREENING, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE WOODEN, UH, ENCLOSURES IS THAT THEY'RE IN VERY GOOD SHAPE. UM, WE ALSO ALREADY HAVE STEEL AND CONCRETE BOLLARDS WITHIN THE ENCLOSURES TO HELP PROTECT THE WOODEN FENCE. UM, WE HAVE THE ENCLOSURE TO THE NORTHWEST AND THE NORTHEAST, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD OPAQUE, UH, GATES TO THE FRONT THAT WOULD FURTHER ENCLOSE THOSE, UM, AND PROVIDE SCREENING. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD LANDSCAPE SCREENING AT ALL THE PARKING LOCATIONS ON THE WEST, NORTH, AND EAST, UH, PERIMETERS, UM, REGARDING THE TRASH. UM, WE THINK THIS WILL FURTHER HELP SOME ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, SOME UNHOUSED FOLKS TRYING TO SET UP A LITTLE, LITTLE HOUSE BEHIND OUR DUMPSTER. WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CITY, UH, TRASH SERVICES TO KEEP OUR DUMPSTERS PUSHED AS FAR BACK AS POSSIBLE, WORKING WITH THE POLICE. AND WE ALSO, UH, WORKED WITH OUR CALLING A FEW TIMES TO TRY AND FIND, UM, SOME, SOME HOUSING AND, AND DIFFERENT, UM, UH, SCENARIOS FOR THEM. AND SINCE THEN, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UH, ANY OF THOSE ISSUES. UM, REGARDING THE RESTAURANT COMPONENT. UH, RESTAURANTS REQUIRE AN EXTENSIVE COORDINATION WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, AND WOULD ALSO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT TO RETROFIT BECAUSE OF THIS, PARTICULARLY THE INVESTMENT COMPONENT. WE DON'T HAVE PLANS AT THIS TIME FOR A RESTAURANT, UM, AND WOULD ONLY DO SO IF IT WAS FOR THE RIGHT PARTNER. OUR PRIMARY DESIRE IS TO ALLOW A POTENTIAL FUTURE WELLNESS CENTER TO SELL PRE-PREPARED FOOD AND OR JUICES, AND TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE A SMALL CAFE THAT WOULD BENEFIT OUR TENANTS, FUTURE TENANTS AND THE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY TO PURSUE A RESTAURANT IF THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES. PROVIDING A RESTAURANT AND CAFE IS DESIRE EXPRESSED TO US BY THE HEIGHTS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PARTICULARLY. AND WE ALREADY MAINTAIN OUR PROPERTY TO A HIGH STANDARD, AND WE CONTINUE TO DO SO REGARDLESS OF THE TENANT, BUT ESPECIALLY WITH A RESTAURANT OR CAFE, GIVEN THE TRASH GENERATED, NOT ONLY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT WE HAVE A LARGE BUSINESS OURSELVES THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO IMPACT NEGATIVELY, EITHER. IF A RESTAURANT IS ALLOWED AND PURSUED, IT WOULD ALREADY BE IN KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THOSE EXISTING BUSINESSES. UH, REGARDING THE WELLNESS CENTER, UH, THIS IS A USE THAT IS SPECIFIC TO A, [01:10:01] UH, TENANT, BUT, SORRY, A POTENTIAL TENANT, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SHE IS A, UM, RICHARDSON NATIVE. ALL OF HER KIDS GO TO RASD SCHOOLS, AND SHE HAS A BUSINESS IN DALLAS THAT SHE IS DESPERATELY WANTING TO MOVE TO RICHARDSON. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HER, LIKE I SAID, FOR A WHILE TO TRY AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN. HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT FIT WITH OUR CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS. UM, UH, THE INTENT FOR THIS WELLNESS CENTER, UM, WOULD BE TO PROVIDE, UM, UH, YOGA, WELLNESS CONSULTATIONS, MEDITATION, AND WITH A SMALL HEALING MASSAGE COMPONENT. THE INTENT OF THIS IS NOT TO ALLOW A USE SUCH AS A FOOT SPA, UH, FOOT SPA, OR A MASSAGE PARLOR. UM, THE OTHER ITEM FOR, UM, UH, THE COMMUNITY THEATER, WE HAD INTEREST FROM TWO LOCAL, SMALL, UH, REPERTORY THEATERS THAT WANTED TO USE OUR SPACE FOR IT, THAT WERE LOOKING TO MOVE. UM, WE COULDN'T MAKE THAT WORK AT THE TIME, GIVEN OUR ZONING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTIVE NEGOTIATIONS OR EVEN DISCUSSIONS FOR THAT INTEREST NOW. HOWEVER, GIVEN THAT WE HAD INTEREST IN THE PAST, WE WANTED TO AT LEAST, UM, ATTEMPT TO INCLUDE THAT IN HERE NOW IN CASE IT WOULD ARISE IN THE FUTURE. UM, I KNOW SOME, SOME QUESTIONS WERE, UM, RAISES REGARDING OUR PARKING, UM, AND THE USES AND HOURS. UM, THOSE WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE I'LL, I'LL RESERVE SOME OF THAT FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. UM, BUT IT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO US TO, UM, NOT OVERDO THE, THE HOURS WE LIVE NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A LATE NIGHT HANGOUT SPOT. UM, BUT ESPECIALLY LIKE FOR THE WELLNESS CENTER, THEY ARE GONNA WANNA CATER TO, UH, PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO AFTER WORK. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FORESEE ANYTHING LATER THAN EIGHT OR NINE O'CLOCK. UM, FOR THAT, RIGHT NOW, OUR HOURS ARE FIVE. OUR, OUR, OUR GATED HOURS ARE FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30, AND WE HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THAT. AND ANY POTENTIAL TENANT, WE WOULD NEGOTIATE AND WORK WITH THEM FOR THOSE HOURS TO COORDINATE, UM, LO PARKING LOADS AND USAGES SO AS NOT TO DISRUPT OUR CURRENT TENANT BASE AND THE COMMUNITY AROUND US. UH, IN CLOSING, JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HEARING OUR REQUEST. WE FEEL WE HAVE A PREMIER SPACE AND WE DESIRE TO MAINTAIN THAT WHILE OUR PRIMARY BUSINESS IS STILL TO MANAGE A LEADING OFFICE PARK. OUR REQUEST FOR A PD WOULD ONLY ENHANCE OUR PROPERTY IN KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AND THE FUTURE ENHANCEMENT AREA PLAN AND PROVIDE USES THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY CAN PARTAKE IN BEYOND JUST THE STANDARD OFFICE SPACE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ETTE. UM, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NOTATION OF 26,000 SQUARE FEET. I'M ASSUMING THAT'S INTERIOR LEASEABLE, RENTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT DO THE CURRENT OCCUPANTS OWN? AND WHAT PERCENTAGE, OR I GUESS HOW MANY SQUARE FEET DO YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO RENT? WE ARE 46% OCCUPIED. OKAY. SO IF I CAN DO A QUICK CALCULATION ON IT, OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. THANK YOU. WE'RE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 14 OR 15,000 AVAILABLE. WHAT, WHAT WAS THE A REASONING BEHIND, UH, THE COMMUNITY GARDEN? I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL TO HAVE, IF SOMEBODY WANTED, IF WE WANTED TO MANAGE THAT. WE HAVE A BEEHIVE NOW, UM, THAT, UH, ONE OF OUR, OUR LOCAL FRIENDS MANAGES BEE HIVES IN THE AREA, AND WE HAD A, UM, A BEEHIVE IN ONE OF OUR COLUMNS THAT WE RELOCATED WITH THEM AND MOVED IT INTO THIS LITTLE HIVE IN OUR COURTYARD. SO THAT JUST KIND OF GOT US THINKING, WELL, IF WE'VE GOT THIS BEEHIVE, IF SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING IN THE COURTYARD, UM, FOR FRUITS AND VEGETABLES OR WHATNOT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT A CRITICAL THING TO OUR BUSINESS. UM, BUT WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NEAT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT. THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO. WHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT? YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE IN THE, IT WOULD COURTYARD, OR WOULD, WOULD YOU TAKE OUT SOME PARKING? WE WOULD NOT TAKE OUT PARKING ON THE BACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TRY TO CREATE. IT WOULD JUST BE IN THE, IN THE COURTYARD. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROBERTS. SO, UM, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, RESTAURANT, THE COMMUNITY THEATER. YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY GARDEN. YOU'VE ANSWERED MOST OF THOSE. THOSE ARE NOT, UH, CURRENT NEEDS. MM-HMM . YOU'RE JUST PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, I GUESS. UM, I'M WONDERING, MAYBE THIS IS FOR STAFF. DO WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ALLOW SPECULATIVE, UM, USES WITHIN A PD LIKE THAT? IS THAT, UH, PRETTY COMMON? YEAH. THE RANGE OF USES THAT ARE LISTED WOULD BE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. SO EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE USES GOING IN THERE IMMEDIATELY, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE ANY OF THOSE USES IN THE FUTURE. SO WHAT I'M ASKING THOUGH [01:15:01] IS YOU SAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. IF THIS PD GOES FORWARD, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT. WITHOUT THE PD. CORRECT. OKAY. THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS, SO WHEN WORKING ON A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A PROPERTY, UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF BUSINESSES TRYING TO LOCATE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE USES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED, UM, WE LOOK TO SEE ARE THOSE USES CONSISTENT WITH, IN THIS CASE, OUR ENVISION RICHARDSON PLAN AND, AND WHAT IT RECOMMENDS. SO IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE PLACE TYPES THAT THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SUGGESTING BECAUSE THIS IS AN ENHANCEMENT QUARTER. SO WE, WE LOOK AT THE, THAT ASPECT FIRST AND FOREMOST. WE ALSO LOOK TO SEE ARE THE USES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED COMPARABLE WITH OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPERATING IN THE AREA. UM, SOMETIMES WE'LL LOOK AT THE HOURS OF OPERATION ALSO TO SEE, OKAY, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THAT CONSISTENT AGAIN, WITH OTHER, UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN THE AREA. UM, WE LOOK AT LAND USE ADJACENCIES, COMPATIBILITY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND TO OUR, UM, WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH APPLICANTS ON A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT IS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE SPECULATIVE TENANTS, THAT SOME OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND IN THE BEHIND THE SCENES WORK THAT YOU DON'T ALL SEE THAT GO INTO US WHEN WE'RE CRAFTING THESE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. SO I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, LOOKING TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PLACE TYPE RECOMMENDATIONS, IN OUR OPINION, WE BELIEVE THAT THE USES THAT WERE BEING REQUESTED ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE USES OR THE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. SO, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE RESTAURANT, IN THE COMMENTS OF THE, UM, THE WRITEUP, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE, UH, CBC APPROVE IT MENTIONED RESTAURANTS WITHOUT, UH, I THINK DRIVE WITHOUT A DRIVE UP WINDOW, DOES THAT HAVE FORCE, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS, IS THERE ANYTHING PROHIBITING A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH OR DRIVE UP BASED ON THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED? YEAH, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT'S RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. SO IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH IN THE FUTURE, THEY WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE ZONING OR IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR, FOR NOW? YOU CAN COME BACK? NOT FOR NOW. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I'LL STICK AROUND. THANKS, . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE, YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT NOW. AND SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? COME ON UP. I HAVE A CARD FOR BART FISH. OKAY. OH, OKAY. DEBBIE FISH. OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UP HERE. OH, I'M DEBBIE FISH. I LIVE AT 6 0 2 PARK BEND DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, AND WE OWN FIVE 16 TWILIGHT TRAIL. WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT INTO THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE OFFICE ZONING OF 5 0 8 TOILET TRAIL. BUT WAY OF BACKGROUND, MY HUSBAND BARB FISH AND I, DEBBIE FISH, HAVE MADE RICHARDSON OUR HOME SINCE 1983. WE LIVE IN RICHLAND PARK AND HAVE WORKED AND LIVED IN RICHARDSON FOR THE LAST 42 YEARS. I'M A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER AND HE'S A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER. IN 2018, DALLAS COUNTY DECIDED TO SELL THE TAX OFFICE LOCATED FIVE 16 TOILET TRAIL, WHICH IS LOCATED NEXT DOOR TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY. YOU WERE BEING ASKED TO REZO. IN 2019, WE FORMED DECO SHARE CENTER, WHICH BID ON AND PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM DALLAS COUNTY. WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY PRECISELY BECAUSE IT IS IN A QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MINIMAL COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC. THE COUNTY SOLD THE 1984 PROPERTY AS IS WHEREAS IS AT THAT TIME THE PROPERTY FEATURED AN EXPOSED AGGREGATE CONCRETE EXTERIOR, AND A RUNDOWN 1980S INTERIOR THROUGH MATERIAL SHORTAGES. COVID WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. OVER A PERIOD OF SIX YEARS, WE'RE ABLE TO TURN THE PROPERTY AROUND INTO THE ATTRACTIVE BRAND NEW MODERN OFFICE SPACE THAT NOW IS OUR PROPERTY FEATURES ONLY TWO, 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICES AND IS DESIGNED FOR SMALL COMPANIES THAT WANT MODERN OFFICE SPACE. THE NEIGHBORS WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH APPLAUD OUR EFFORTS AND THE ACCOMPANYING REDUCTION IN NOISE, TRAFFIC AND OTHER ISSUES CREATED BY THE FORMER COUNTY TAX OFFICE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE BEEN A COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL [01:20:01] REAL ESTATE BROKER FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AND BELIEVE THE CURRENT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT, NOT ONLY ON THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY. MOST OF MY OFFICE USERS DO NOT WANT TO BE NEXT DOOR TO A RESTAURANT. THE SMELL FROM THE DUMPSTER USED BY THE RESTAURANT IN THE CENTER DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN A PROBLEM. MOST OF MY OFFICE CLIENTS DO NOT WANT TO BE NEXT DOOR TO RETAIL DUE TO THE TRAFFIC AND NOISE CONCERNS. THIS IS AFTER ALL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH CHILDREN PLAYING SOCCER A FEW FEET AWAY. AT THE YMCA, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY DOES NOT SEE FIT TO CONTACT US BEFORE, DURING, OR AFTER MAKING THIS REQUEST. WE HAVE READ THEIR PETITION AND WE'RE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT THEY ASSERT THEY HAVE CONTACTED THE NEIGHBORS. WE SUGGEST THAT BEFORE YOU PROCEED, YOU CONTACT THE NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY. WE URGE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS OUR CONCERNS. THE ZONING REQUESTS AS A STANDARD IS VERY BROAD, AND WE WOULD FAVOR A MORE NARROW ZONING THAT WOULD SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOW RESTAURANT USAGE AND WOULD LIMIT USES OF APPROPRIATE FOR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? NOW, MR. FISH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE REMARKS TOO? YOU CAN GO ALSO AND GET ANOTHER, GET ANOTHER THREE MINUTES. OKAY. WELL, IT'S A LITTLE INTIMIDATING TO HAVE THREE MINUTES. , UH, WHEN YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND YOU'VE MADE A NICE PRESENTATION, AND FRANKLY, I ONLY LEARNED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, UM, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON SENT OUT THEIR NOTIFICATION ON NOVEMBER 7TH. WE HAPPEN TO BE OUTTA TOWN. I OPENED MY MAILBOX YESTERDAY. I SAW THE SIGN YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO PREPARE FOR THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE'S MADE AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. I THINK THERE ARE SOME AUGMENTED USES THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY COMPATIBLE WITH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THERE ARE HOUSES, OR I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A DALLAS COUNTY TAX OFFICE WITH HUNDREDS OF PARKING SPOTS THAT FLOODED THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY PUT UP SIGNS EVERYWHERE AND THEY WERE AGAINST IT. WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY AND NOW THERE IS NO TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT HAS QUIETED DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, SO TODAY SINCE WE, WE HAD TO, UH, HAD TO RUSH THROUGH THIS, I WENT AROUND AND I DECIDED TO TALK WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S THOMAS BELL IS AT FIVE 20, AND, UH, HE WAS NOT, HE WAS ALSO NOTIFIED, BUT ONLY GOT HIS NOTICE ON SATURDAY. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S MADE A COMMENT ON THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT HE WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. JOAN ROBERTS, WHO'S NEXT TO HIM, IS AT 5 22. SHE PREFERS JOANNE, BY THE WAY. UM, SHE WAS ALSO NOT IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, OF THE THING. I'VE TALKED WITH, UH, TOM MILLER, AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS IS HERE, UH, THAT MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS TOO. YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO MAKING CHANGES TO THE ZONING THAT WILL ENHANCE THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY AND FIT IN WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS NOT OUR CONCERN HERE. OUR CONCERN HERE IS WE DON'T WANT, UH, A RESTAURANT. WE DON'T WANT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC. WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT AFTER HOURS TRAFFIC. THOSE ARE OUR CONCERNS, AND WE WOULD URGE YOU TO STUDY THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BEFORE APPROVING IT AND PERHAPS COME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER CARDS? NO, SIR. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? UM, LIKE TO COME FORWARD? ALL RIGHT. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME BACK AND RESPOND TO COMMENTS YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC? UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR RAISING YOUR CONCERNS. UM, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS Y'ALL DIRECTLY, BUT I, I DO WANT APOLOGIZE, UH, FOR NOT REACHING OUT TO THEM. UM, THEY ARE ACCURATE. WE DID NOT, UM, WE REACHED OUT TO THE, UM, UH, THE RETAIL SPACE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH, THE NORTHEAST AND THE EAST. UM, AND WE REACHED OUT TO THE YMCA TO THE SOUTH. UM, IT WAS A, UH, OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART AND, AND WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, OUR THINKING WAS THAT, UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING, POTENTIALLY TAKING AWAY OFFICE SPACE USAGE FROM, FROM OUR SPACE AND ADDING MORE RETAIL SPACE, UM, MORE CONSISTENT WITH RETAIL, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE AFFECTED POTENTIALLY THE BUSINESSES TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST OF US. UM, WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC AND, AND HOURS, UM, [01:25:01] WE, THAT'S PAR PARTICULARLY WHY WE WENT TO THE, UH, HEIGHTS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH, UH, THE PRESIDENT, JEFF DAVIS. UM, A MEETING WITH DAN WASHBURN, SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS. UM, WE, WE CORRESPONDED THEM WITH BY EMAIL AND PHONE, AND, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE HEARD FROM THEM, AND THAT WAS COMMUNICATE COMMUNICATED TO US, WAS THAT THERE WAS, UM, A LOT OF FAVOR FOR WHAT WE WERE WANTING TO DO. SO, UM, AGAIN, I WISH WE WOULD'VE REACHED OUT. UM, THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART, BUT WE, WE DID, WE DO FEEL LIKE WE DID A LOT OF THE OTHER DUE DILIGENCE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IN FACT, THE HEIGHTS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. IF WE HAD SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT THEY COULD USE, UM, THAT THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT, POTENTIALLY WALKING OR RIDING THEIR BIKES TO OUR, UH, PROPERTY, TO, TO PARTAKE IN SOME OF THOSE USES. UM, THAT, THAT'S MAINLY JUST WHAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS HERE. IF Y'ALL HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I JUST, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP AND WITH STAFF ON ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. AND, UH, OUR PACKAGE SAID THAT IT, YOU KNOW, CITY'S OPINION, NOT EXPECT TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY SYSTEM. DO YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT PERHAPS FOR THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH. WE, UM, AS PART OF ANY ZONING APPLICATION, WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO, UM, SUBMIT A, UH, A TRAFFIC, UH, MEMO, UM, BASICALLY, UM, SHOWING THE, UH, THE POTENTIAL INCREASE OR DECREASE IN TRAFFIC. AND, UM, WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THE, UM, THE USES THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED, THAT IT WOULD NOT GENERATE, UM, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC BEYOND WHAT THE, THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD ALLOW, PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THE, THE PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND, UM, JUST, UM, FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THE PROPERTY, UH, TO THE WEST ZONED OFFICE? YES, IT IS. OKAY. SO THERE'S, UH, I GUESS THE ONLY, WHAT RESIDENTIAL IS TO THE SOUTH ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE YMCA IS? YES, YES. THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. OH, THAT'S INCORRECT. YEAH. SO THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST ARE WALL Y. YEAH, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL. YEAH, WE, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR CHANCE. SO, SORRY. UM, UH, I'M LOOKING, UM, LOOKING JUST, JUST, JUST TO CONFIRM, SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, SO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONED CM COMMERCIAL. THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS THE YMCA IS ZONED R 1100 M RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS ZONED LRM, LOCAL RETAIL. AND THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS OM OFFICE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY. YEAH, THIS IS JUST AN EX, UH, THE PROPERTY, THE WEST, THE BORDERS, THE WEST SIDE IS EXTENSION, SAME ZONING AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT STARTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, FUR FURTHER, FURTHER WEST OF THE IMMEDIATE, CORRECT. A LOT TO THE, TO THE WEST. OKAY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCATING POTENTIALLY RESTAURANT RETAIL, UM, OR WELL, WELL RESTAURANT, I WANT TO GO SPECIFICALLY TO, YOU KNOW, THE DUMPSTERS AND THE SMELL OF THE COOKING, THE FOOD AND, YOU KNOW, THE TRASH AND ALL THOSE THINGS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT COMES INTO YOUR MIND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADJACENT ZONING AND PLACEMENT OF THOSE DUMPSTERS? AGAIN, I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THOSE SOMEWHERE, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU WANNA PUT IT UP AGAINST OO OTHER EXISTING COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE USE IS NOT NECESSARILY RESIDENTIAL. SO WHEN EVALUATING LAND USES LIKE A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, ODOR IS NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED. TYPICALLY CITIES HAVE OTHER PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT COME INTO PLAY THAT HELP WITH ADDRESSING THINGS SUCH AS ODOR AND NOISE. UM, YOU KNOW, REGARDING PLACEMENT OF DUMPSTERS, IF THE DUMPSTER IS CITED IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS, IF THERE WERE ANY PLACEMENT RESTRICTIONS, THEN WE MAKE SURE TO ENFORCE THOSE. OTHERWISE, THERE'S TYPICALLY FLEXIBILITY ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AS TO WHERE THAT DUMPSTER CAN BE LOCATED. UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE IS ACCESSIBILITY TO MAKING SURE THAT IT CAN BE SERVICED. BUT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY RESTAURANT USES ARE FOUND IN COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALSO ALLOW FOR RETAIL USES. UM, AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES THAT, UM, I WOULD SAY ARE NOT, NOT YOUR INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES LIKE AUTO RELATED. UM, [01:30:01] ALTHOUGH YOU CAN HAVE RESTAURANTS AND DISTRICTS, SAME WITH AUTO, UM, AUTO RELATED USES. BUT REALLY WE'RE EVALUATING IT FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHAT USES ARE IN THE AREA. UM, AND IS WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED COMPATIBLE OR CONSISTENT WITH OTHER USES THAT MIGHT BE OPERATING IN THE OTHER SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS ALSO. THANK YOU. JUST QUESTION TO EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. THE RESTAURANT USE IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE CM DISTRICT TO THE NORTH, AS WELL AS THE LR M1 LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT TO THE EAST. UM, STAFF FOUND FOUND THAT THE MIXTURE OF USES BEING PROPOSED WITH THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT KIND OF OFFER KIND OF SERVES AS THEY BUFFER FROM THOSE MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES THAT COULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL USES INCLUDING RESTAURANT, BUT ALSO MORE INTENSIVE USES TO THE OFFICE DISTRICT TO THE WEST, WHICH WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR, FOR OFFICE USES AND WHATEVER'S ALLOWED IN OM. OKAY. QUICK LEFT TURN FROM CURRENT CONVERSATION, BUT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO I NOTICED IN THE LETTER THAT YOU SENT, YOU SPOKE WITH THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT. UM, YOU DID NOT HAVE A MEETING WITH HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION MEMBERSHIP, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. JUST THE PRESIDENT, NOT THE FULL MEMBERSHIP. YES. THE PRESIDENT SENT AN EMAIL TO 1000 PLUS MEMBERS EXPRESSING HIS EXCITEMENT ABOUT WHAT WAS TO COME. WAS THERE ANY ENGAGEMENT ASKED BACK FROM THOSE THOUSAND MEMBERS FOR THEIR INPUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? AND DID YOU RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION MEMBERS, EITHER IN OPPOSITION OR IN SUPPORT OF AFTER THAT EMAIL WENT OUT? UH, THEY COMMUNICATED THEY BEING, UH, UH, JEFF DAVIS COMMUNICATED TO US THAT, UM, UH, THEY RECEIVED A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK. THEY DIDN'T FORWARD THAT, UH, TO US DIRECTLY. THEY DID NOT MENTION ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. UM, WE WERE FORWARDED SEPARATELY FROM, FROM JEFF THE FACEBOOK. I BELIEVE IT WAS A FACEBOOK POST. IT WAS A SOCIAL MEDIA POST, UM, THAT THEY HAD POSTED AND SOME OF THE FAVORABLE COMMENTS TO THOSE. BUT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY SPECIFIC NEGATIVES OR POSITIVES. THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, SINCE WE'RE ON THE HOA THEME, UH, RICHARDSON IS UNIQUE, AND SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO JEFF. I KNOW JEFF, UM, AND I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU, IF JEFF SAID SOMETHING TO YOU AND YOU'RE REPEATING IT, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND COUNSEL, UM, JUST MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOUR STORY IS RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE FACT CHECKED FOR SURE. UM, UH, HOAS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IN OUR CITY, THEY CARRY A LOT OF RESPECT. MUCH DIFFERENT THAN ALMOST EVERY OTHER CITY. AND SO IF JEFF DAVIS WAS HERE AND HE SAID, I WANT THIS PROJECT, I'D SAY, YEAH, IF JEFF DAVIS WAS HERE AND HE SAID, I DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT, I'D SAY, NOW THAT'S HOW MUCH I RESPECT WHAT HOAS HAVE TO SAY. AND JEFF IN PARTICULAR. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE. UH, THERE, UM, I REALLY DON'T SEE ANY REAL BIG ISSUES. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THAT, UM, I TOURED THIS PROPERTY WHENEVER I WAS, UM, POTENTIALLY GONNA BE A TENANT, A CHURCH TENANT THERE, UM, UH, PRE COVID. AND IT IS A VERY UNIQUE SPACE. UM, AND THE ONLY THING WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WAS THE HACIENDA STYLE TO, IT PRESENTED VERY UNIQUE CHALLENGES FOR LEASING IT, UM, BUT YET COOL OPPORTUNITIES AT THE SAME TIME. SO I THINK, UM, YOUR, YOUR CHALLENGE IS, UM, TRYING TO FIND AND THREAD THAT NEEDLE. AND I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST IS TO SORT OF MAKE THE NEEDLE THREAD OR MAKE THE NEEDLE A HOLE BIGGER BECAUSE IT TAKES A SPECIAL TENANT HERE TO WANT TO OFFICE OR HAVE THEIR COMMERCIAL OPERATION IN THAT LOCATION. AND I, I'M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PIECE OF IT, BECAUSE THE WAY THE HACIENDA IS BUILT IS LIMITING TRAFFIC TO BEGIN WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH A GATED ACCESS DURING SORT OF THE OFFICE HOURS. THAT'S ALL. COMMISSIONER SHEHE, APOLOGIES FOR THE LAST QUESTION. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, I'M LOOKING AT PARKING ON THE SPACE HERE. WITH YOUR 14,000 AVAILABLE SQUARE FEET, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY AS WE THINK ABOUT AND CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE A COMMUNITY THEATER, THAT ALL 14,000 SQUARE FEET COULD BE COMBINED INTO A SINGLE USE WHERE PARKING COULD BE A CONSIDERATION, WHICH I RECOGNIZE YOU AS THE LANDLORD WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO MITIGATE ON THE FRONT END, BUT IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT A POSSIBILITY FOR ONE OR A PARTICULAR TENANT TO TAKE UP ALL OF IT THE WAY IT'S PIECED TOGETHER. UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY THEATER, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET IN A PARTICULAR CORNER. [01:35:01] UM, AND WHEN WE REVIEWED THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THEIR HOURS AT THE TIME, UM, IT, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD AFFECT OUR CURRENT TENANT BASE. UM, AND WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE NEEDING OR THERE BEING OVERFLOW PARKING ISSUES AT THE TIME. DO YOU RECOLLECT? I HAVE NO COMPREHENSION APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY THEATER SEATS A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMUNITY THEATER WOULD, WOULD SEAT FOR PATRONS? I WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS, SO I DON'T WANNA PULL A NUMBER OUTTA NOWHERE. BUT THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T ANTICIPATING USING THE ENTIRE SPACE FOR THE PERFORMANCE THEATER. THERE WAS A, A PERFORMANCE THEATER COMPONENT, AND THEN THERE WERE CLASSROOMS, UM, FOR, UM, WORKSHOPS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND, AND BUILDING THEIR SETS. UM, BUT IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T 7,000 SQUARE SQUARE FEET OF SEATED SPACE. OKAY. THANKS. WOULD PART OF YOUR PLAN BE TO, UH, OPEN UP THE EXTERIOR WALLS TO, FOR ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL SERVICE ENTRY OR ACCESS, SORT OF LIKE THE BACK OF THE, THE BUILDING. MM-HMM . WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER TURNING THE EXTERIOR INTO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE, SORT OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? UM, OR, WELL, I'M BASICALLY ON THE, THE, THE, THE EAST, WEST AND NORTH SIDE. MM-HMM . UH, IT'S JUST KIND OF A LONG BRICK WALL. YOU'VE GOT SOME WINDOWS THERE, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE PERSONNEL DOORS MM-HMM . UH, THAT ARE FACING OUTWARD. RIGHT. UH, TO THE PARKING LOT AROUND. SO IS THERE, IS, WOULD THERE A PLAN BE LIKE PUT STOREFRONTS ON THOSE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? UH, WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UH, DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF NEEDED. UM, ES ESPECIALLY FOR THE, THE WELLNESS CENTER THAT WANTS TO, TO OPEN UP, DEPENDING ON THE SPACE THAT THEY WOULD WANT, UM, IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER FOR MOST OF THEIR, UM, UH, CUSTOMERS TO, TO USE THE, THE EXTERIOR ENTRANCE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WALK THROUGH THE COURTYARD. UM, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY BE IF THAT'S ALLOWED PER, YOU KNOW, CODE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AS ANY ISSUES FROM STAFF IF THEY WERE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN THINK OF, IN TERMS OF DOING THAT, WE DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES. OKAY. AND THEN, AS HE SAID, IF THE CODE ALLOWS FOR IT, HE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE BUILDING PERMITTING PROCESSES. THE OTHER THING IS THIS PD WOULD BE TIED TO THAT CONCEPT PLAN. SO IF THEY DID, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING GOING TO. YEAH. IF THEY DID MAKE CONCEPT PLAN DOESN'T RIGHT. SPECIFY REALLY WHERE THE ENTRANCES ARE. RIGHT. AS LONG AS THE PARKING DOESN'T CHANGE AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT DOESN'T CHANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO AMEND THE CONCEPT PLAN. UM, BUT IF THEY WERE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF ADDITIONS OR, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATIONS TO THAT BUILDING FOOTPRINT, UM, OR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PARKING, UM, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO TO COME BACK AND AMEND THAT PLAN. AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE SIZE, HEIGHT, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, AND THEN ONE THING WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU PUT IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, SO ON ON THE EXHIBIT IS THERE IS NEW LANDSCAPING GOING AROUND, ESSENTIALLY THE PERIMETER, THE WEST, EAST, NORTH SIDES. RIGHT. IS AND, AND WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT JUST A HEDGE ROW FOR PARKING? FOR, FOR HEADLIGHTS, HEADLIGHTS ON CAR, ON VEHICLES. SO HE'S BRINGING THE SITE CLOSER TO CONFORMANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPE CODE BY ADDING THAT. SO IS THAT, THAT'S SPECIFIED BY CODE? IT IS ALREADY IN THE CODE. IT WILL NOT BE IN THIS PD. OKAY, GOTCHA. AND WOULD THERE BE ANY THOUGHT TO REBRAND, LIKE THE, THE, THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, THE NAME OF IT AND, UM, WHAT ABOUT LIKE, SIGNAGE AND, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE A TYPES OF THINGS, SORRY. UM, WE HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN IN THE, IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UM, THAT SAYS TWILIGHT PLAZA ON IT. AND THEN WE, WE DO, UM, PLAQUES OR, UH, YOU KNOW, RAISED SIGNAGE FOR EACH OF OUR TENANTS ON THERE. SO WE, WE DID, WE KIND OF REBRANDED IT IN 20 19, 20 20 WITH TWILIGHT PLAZA WITH THE NEW LOGO. UM, SO WE FEEL WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. UM, AND WE, WE KIND OF LIKE TWILIGHT PLAZA . OKAY. AND FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IF THEY WERE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE ON, ON THE BUILDING, UH, FACADE, WOULD THAT, DOES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE PD? NO. SO KEEP IN MIND WHAT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DEFAULTS THEN TO THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S PROVIDED FOR WITHIN IT. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR CURRENT SIGNAGE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THINK THAT COVERS IT FOR ME. ANY, ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. [01:40:03] I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, GOT A MOTION. AND COMMISSIONER PURDY SECONDED. UH, WE GOT A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ROBERTS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER PURDY SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, WELL, I THINK THIS IS A, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY. UM, I THINK IT'S ONE OF ONE OF THE MORE ATTRACTIVE DEVELOPMENTS ACTUALLY IN RICHARDSON. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S SHAME TO SEE IT'S UNDERUTILIZED AND NOT WELL OCCUPIED. AND, UM, I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, KNOW MORE MIXED USE. AND, UH, TO ME IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT LIKE TWO CREEKS, UH, UP ON CUSTER LOOKOUT, UM, WHAT'S COURTYARD AND ALL THAT. IT'S MUCH SMALLER SCALE, BUT STILL KIND OF THAT FEEL TO IT. UM, I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY IN, YOU KNOW, UM, IN, UH, THE SPIRIT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ENHANCEMENT AREA. UM, I, UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM. MY ONLY CONCERN WAS ABOUT LIKE A TRUE MASSAGE PARLOR, UM, THAT, THAT CONCERNED ME A LITTLE BIT. BUT, UM, IF IT'S ALREADY ALLOWED BY RIGHT, NOT MUCH WE CAN DO THERE. UM, NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY GARDEN, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT . SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, NOISE, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, YOU KNOW, UM, PART OF THAT'S JUST COMES WITH PROGRESS AND, YOU KNOW, HIGHER OCCUPANCY. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS REDEVELOPMENT, REVITALIZATION OF THE WEST ARAPAHO AREA, WHICH WAS IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, AS AN AREA OF NEED OF UPGRADING. SO THIS COULD BE SORT OF A CATALYST FOR, UH, FOR ALL THAT YOU, YOU'VE DONE A, THE BUILDING TO THE WEST IS A GREAT LOOKING BUILDING, GREAT PROJECT. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE OVER THERE TOO. SO I SUPPORT THE, UH, THE REQUEST. UH, JUST REAL QUICK, I WANT TO, UM, AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION. UM, THE, UM, THIS WHOLE AREA, UM, SO MY, MY CHURCH, WE WERE, HAD A TEMPORARY LOCATION AT THE YMCA FOR A COUPLE YEARS, AND WE TOURED THIS AREA. WE TURNED THE, WE TOURED THIS, UH, HACIENDA SPOTTER NOW CALLED TWILIGHT PLAZA WITH THE IDEA OF, HEY, MAYBE WE COULD BE, UM, MORE PERMANENT TENANTS THERE. UM, AND BECAUSE WE WERE AT THE YMCA AND IT WAS A GYM AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SET UP AND TEAR DOWN, IT WAS A WHOLE THING. UM, AND IN BEING AT THE YMCA EVERY SINGLE WEEK, UM, AND IT'S THE SAME YMCA THAT I GREW UP PLAYING BALL AT THAT AREA, THERE IS PRECIOUS. UM, BUT IT ALSO, THE WHOLE AREA TO THE POINT THAT THE CHAIR WAS MAKING, IT JUST NEEDS, UM, REVITALIZATION. IT'S BEEN AN AREA THAT, WHEN I WAS IN LR, WE STUDIED THAT WHOLE AREA, UH, 15 YEARS AGO, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET ENOUGH MOMENTUM AND COVID CERTAINLY SET IT BACK. UM, SO I LIKE THE IDEA HERE OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAYS THAT WE CAN, UM, POTENTIALLY GET MORE AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF USAGE CASES HERE. UM, BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALL AROUND HERE, UM, REALLY COULD USE A LOT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND JUST LIKE THAT THEY DID RIGHT NEXT DOOR, I ASSUME IT'S YOU GUYS RIGHT NEXT DOOR. UM, AND SO ALL OF THE RETAIL, THE BUILDINGS, IT'S ALL REALLY, REALLY TIRED, UM, ALL AROUND THERE. AND YET IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY TRYING. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TRYING, AND IT'S ANCHORED BY A GREAT YMCA. SO I, YOU KNOW, I FULLY HEAR WHAT THE, THE NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE TALKING ABOUT. UM, AND I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I'LL TELL YOU GUYS, UM, TALK TO JEFF, UM, AND IF YOU REALLY HAVE CONCERNS WITH AS MANY NEIGHBORS AS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO, THAT VOICE THAT HE CAN MAKE AND AMPLIFY IS WHY WE HAVE HOAS. UM, AND IT'S WHY IF YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH YOUR HOA, IT'S VERY POWERFUL. BUT IF JEFF'S REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, THEN UM, IT'S, IT'S THE OPPOSITE. UM, JUST LIKE I SAID, UM, BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHY WE USE HOAS SO MUCH IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND, AND WHEN THE HOA IS BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AS IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THEY ARE, UM, AND ALL OF THE POINTS THAT I JUST MADE, UM, TO ME THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT I, THAT I WANNA SUPPORT [01:45:04] MR. ROBERTS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, ZONING FILE 25 19, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR TWILIGHT PLAZA BE, UM, ACCEPTED AS PRESENTED. RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THANK YOU, . UM, HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I SECOND I A SECOND FROM, UM, THE VICE CHAIRMAN. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED, UH, SO 1, 2, 6 TO ONE WITH COMMISSIONER PURDY AND OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL, UH, ANY OTHER BUSINESS. OKAY, THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED AT, UH, 8 46. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.