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          I 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
CALL THIS MEETING OF THE RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6:00 PM AND WE 
          [A. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM]
WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORM. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          WE ARE NOT IN RECEIPT OF ANY CARDS IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE, BUT I DO BELIEVE MS. EMER HAS ONE, UH, CARD. 
          SO, UH, WITH NO PUBLIC HEARINGS, I'LL READ AND ABBREVIATED INSTRUCTIONS. 
          UH, FOR THE SPEAKERS, WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES, AS INDICATED BY THE TIMER. 
          WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. 
          SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REIGN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION. 
          THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. 
          THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, A POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. 
          AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE HAS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR THEIR EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE. 
          AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONE FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. 
          MS. NEER, WE DID HAVE ONE CARD IN ADVANCE FOR, UH, IN PERSON, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE. 
          THAT'S JAMES SMITH. 
          IS MR. SMITH HERE? ALRIGHT, OUR SECOND ONE IS MATT PEYTON. 
          HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING TONIGHT? MY NAME IS MATT PEYTON. 
          I AM THE, UH, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE RICHARDSON BICYCLE COALITION. 
          I LIVE IN CITY LAWN. 
          UH, AND, UH, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SIDEWALKS. 
          MR. PEYTON, DO YOU MIND JUST, UH, ADDING YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          35 21 WILSHIRE WAY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          7 5 0 8 2. 
          WONDERFUL THANKS. 
          AND, UH, SPEAKING OF SIDEWALKS, CITYLINE HAS SOME OF THE BEST SHARED PATHS AND SIDEWALKS IS A VERY ARCHAIC TERM. 
          UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE USED OVER THE YEARS TO DESCRIBE A PLACE THAT'S SAFE FROM THE HIGH SPEED CARS THAT CER GO UP AND DOWN OF OUR STREETS. 
          AND AS WE ARE MOVING INTO OUR MORE MULTIMODAL COMMUNITY HERE, WE NEED TO, I BELIEVE, TRANS, UH, TRANSITION TO SHARED PATHS. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TERM BE USED MORE OFTEN BECAUSE I AM ON YOUR STREETS MORE THAN PROBABLY ANY OF YOU. 
          UH, BECAUSE I'M A FULL-TIME CYCLIST, I'M A SIX FIGURE PROFESSIONAL, AND I DO NOT WANT TO DRIVE A CAR EVER AGAIN. 
          IT'S MY SOLE MISSION AND MY SOLE MISSION WITH THE RICHARDSON BICYCLE COALITION IS TO GIVE EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY THE ABILITY TO GET AROUND BY OTHER MEANS OTHER THAN A CAR. 
          AND I'M SO PROUD THAT ALL OF YOU, I HOPE OR SUPPORTIVE OF DART, BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT WENT IN SUPPORT OF DART, UH, TO PLANO INTO THAT BIG CLUSTER. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UH, THIS IS THE TIME RIGHT NOW TO SEIZE ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE OUR CITY MORE ATTRACTIVE TO TALENT AND BUSINESS. 
          LET'S TRY AND USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT IN OUR SIDEWALKS AND TRANSITION THEM, ESPECIALLY IN OUR HIGH STRESS AREAS. 
          BELTLINE, ARAPAHOE, CAMPBELL, UH, I WOULD SAY, UM, RENTER MARK ON YOUR WAY TO THE HOSPITAL. 
          UH, WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE TO THAT HOSPITAL ON OTHER MEANS BECAUSE THEY HAVE REGULAR APPOINTMENTS, NOT JUST EMERGENCIES, RIGHT? AND I KNOW DOCTORS THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CONSULTANT, UH, FOR OUR BOARD WHO IS A ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON AT YOUR HOSPITAL. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK ON HER BIKE WITHOUT GETTING RUN OVER ON RENTER. 
          SO, UH, RENTER ON, ON GOING TOWARDS COY IS AWESOME. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT ON BELT LINE, ARAPAHOE AND CAMPBELL SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO DIRECT PLACES. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S OUR WHOLE POINT TO BEING MULTIMODAL, RIGHT? YOU PROVIDE FREEDOM OF CHOICE ON HOW YOU GET AROUND. 
          I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY'S GONNA RIDE BIKES. 
          I'M NOT NAIVE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE BIKE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU INVEST IN THINGS LIKE THAT, PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMUNITY SEE THAT I'VE GOT NOTHING BUT PROFESSIONALS ON MY BOARD AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US WHO'VE EITHER CHOSEN TO STAY HERE. 
          I RAISED MY DAUGHTER HERE. 
          I COULD MOVE TO AUSTIN TOMORROW. 
          AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN THERE IS AMAZING. 
          AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE AND RODE THOSE, UH, TRAILS AND THEIR BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF MUELLER, I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO GO DOWN THERE AND TAKE A WEEKEND TRIP AND DO IT. 
          'CAUSE IT'LL CHANGE YOUR LIFE. 
          IN MUELLER, ESPECIALLY, 
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IT IS EUROPEAN AND IT'S AMAZING. 
          AND IT, AND IT ATTRACTS PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS THAT DON'T WANNA SIT IN TRAFFIC ANYMORE TO GO THERE AND LIVE THERE AND WORK THERE. 
          BUT I CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE I HAVE HOPE FOR THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF GREAT THINGS. 
          THIS, I, I MET WITH, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, I MEET WITH OUR, UH, CITY TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY TEAM ALL THE TIME. 
          AND, UM, I SEE THE TRAJECTORY GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND I SEE US BUILDING OUR CITY AROUND OUR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY DON'T WANNA SIT IN TRAFFIC ALL THE TIME. 
          YES, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE WOKEN UP TO THAT. 
          REALITY IS THAT IT'S UNNECESSARY. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS EARTH, GUYS. 
          AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU KNOW THAT. 
          I MEAN, OUR TIME IS LIMITED ON THIS EARTH. 
          SO HOW DO YOU WANNA SPEND IT? AND HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR CITIZENS TO SPEND IT? SO I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE INCLUDE, UH, OUR UPDATES TO OUR SIDEWALKS AND TRANSITION THOSE TO SHARED PATHS IN THE BOND PROPOSAL. 
          IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR POSTS THAT WE EVER POSTED ON BIKE FRIENDLY RICHARDSON. 
          PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY WANT IT BECAUSE IT'S SAFE. 
          IT GIVES THEM A SAFE PLACE. 
          AND WE HAVE MORE DIVERSITY THAN JUST WALKERS, RIGHT? AND WE DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM USING PUBLIC TRANSIT. 
          WE DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM WALKING. 
          WE DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM BIKING. 
          WE WANNA ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          AND CITY LINE IS PROOF IN THE PUDDING. 
          GUYS, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. 
          I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MS. P. 
          NO FURTHER CARDS, MAYOR. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'S SEEKING TO SPEAK TODAY? ALRIGHT, SEEING 
          [B. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE STREETS, ALLEYS, AND SIDEWALKS NEEDS FOR CONSIDERATION IN A 2026 BOND PROGRAM]
NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM B. 
          UM, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE STREETS, ALLEYS, AND SIDEWALK NEEDS FOR CONSIDERATION IN A 2026 BOND PROGRAM. 
          MR. MAGNER. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UH, CHARLES GOFF, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, IS GONNA LEAD THIS BRIEF, AND I WANNA THANK ERIC ROBESON FOR BEING HERE. 
          UH, ERIC, OBVIOUSLY OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES, UH, OVER THE STREETS, DIVISION, WATER WASTEWATER, WHICH ARE ALL RELATED TO THIS TOPIC AS WELL. 
          UH, I'LL, UH, SHARE WITH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY THAT, UH, WE'RE DOWN TO JUST TWO, UH, MORE, UH, BOND PROGRAM BRIEFINGS, THIS, AND THEN FACILITIES NEXT WEEK, DRIVING TO, UH, THE 15TH OF DECEMBER, WHERE WE HOPE TO SHARE WITH YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, OUR FIRST, UM, UH, KIND OF OPTIONS WITH RESPECT TO PROPOSITION COMPOSITION, UH, FOR A POTENTIAL BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND SO CHARLES IS GONNA RUN YOU THROUGH, UH, UH, A STREETS AND ALLEYS DISCUSSION, AND THEN, UH, A SEPARATE SIDEWALKS DISCUSSION. 
          RECALL, THE SIDEWALKS WILL NEED TO BE A SEPARATE PROPOSITION FROM STREETS AND ALLEYS, UM, AS WE, UH, FIRST DID IN THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND SO, UH, CHARLES, THANKS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. 
          AND ERIC, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          I'LL TURN FOR THE BRIEFING. 
          THANKS, DAWN. 
          GOOD TO BE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UH, AS DAWN MENTIONED, WE'RE, WE'RE COVERING TWO PROPOSITIONS, UH, TONIGHT. 
          FIRST STREET AND ALLEYS, WHICH IS PROBABLY, UH, THE LARGEST OF, OF THE PROPOSITIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE NETWORK, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR MAINTENANCE CYCLE, UH, OF THE ROADWAY AND ALLEY NETWORK, UH, A REMINDER OF OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT PROCESS. 
          AND THEN GET INTO KIND OF PROJECT PRIORITIZATION AND, AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED FOR, UH, INCLUSION IN A POTENTIAL 2026 BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN GET INTO SIDEWALKS. 
          AND AGAIN, SIMILARLY TALK ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS, UH, AND THEN INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR 2026 PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN, UH, WRAP UP WITH NEXT STEPS. 
          SO STARTING WITH STREETS AND ALLEYS, UH, JUST A, AGAIN, AN OVERVIEW OF, OF THE NETWORK. 
          THIS MAP HERE, UH, IS, UH, A SUMMARY OF OUR STREET NETWORK BY AGE. 
          AND SO YOUR, YOUR PURPLE STREETS ARE YOUR OLDER STREETS. 
          THOSE ARE 60 PLUS. 
          UH, THE YELLOW ARE 50 TO 59 YEARS OLD. 
          UH, THE GREEN IS, IS 40 TO 49, AND THEN IT GETS KINDA YOUNGER FROM THERE. 
          AND AS, AS YOU'D EXPECT, THE, THE ROADWAY NETWORK KIND OF MIRRORS HOW GROWTH OCCURRED WITHIN THE CITY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OLDER PARTS OF TOWN TO THE, TO THE WEST AND, AND THE SOUTH, UH, KIND OF GROWING, UM, UH, TO THE NEWER STREETS IN THE NORTHEAST, IN THE PANHANDLE. 
          AND, UH, I THINK IF YOU LOOK, UH, INTO THE PURPLE AND A LITTLE BIT TO THE YELLOW AREAS, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S BLUE STARTING TO CREEP IN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH RECENT BOND PROGRAMS THAT IT KINDA RESET THE H UH, OF THOSE STREETS IN THOSE AREAS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE, THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING BASED ON THOSE EFFORTS. 
          UH, THIS IS A MAP OF, UH, THE, UH, STREET NETWORK, UH, BY THOROUGHFARE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF THE TECHNICAL TERMINOLOGY THAT WE USE TO CLASSIFY, UH, STREETS COMING OUT OF THE, THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN THE COMP PLAN. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE, UH, 639 MILES OF STREETS AND ALLEYS IN RICHARDSON. 
          UH, ANOTHER WAY TO MEASURE THAT IS NOT JUST TO LOOK AT THE LENGTH OF THE STREET, BUT ALSO TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW MANY LANES THOSE STREETS MIGHT HAVE. 
          SO IF YOU ADD IN THE LANES, AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOW MANY LANE MILES OF STREETS AND ALLEYS DO WE HAVE, UH, IN RICHARDSON, IT'S ALMOST 1500, UH, IN TOTAL. 
          UH, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF, OF HOW THAT IS, UH, BY THE VARIOUS, UH, FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS THERE. 
          UH, ON THE CHART, 
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UH, WE HAVE THREE, UH, TYPES OF STREETS, UH, IN RICHARDSON, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, CONCRETE, UH, STREETS. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, 357, UH, MILES OF, OF STREETS. 
          THAT'S ABOUT 80, UH, 5% OF THE NETWORK. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE REMAINDER OF THAT IS AN ASPHALT, UH, OVERLAID CONCRETE. 
          SO YOU HAVE A, A THINNER CONCRETE, UH, BASE, AND THEN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF INCHES OF ASPHALT, UH, OVER THE STREET. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A, A FEW STREETS THAT ARE FULL DEPTH, UH, ASPHALT IN OUR, IN OUR RESIDENCE, IN SOME OF OUR OLDER RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          UH, YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THIS, UH, SLIDE FROM OUR SUMMER DEEP DIVES WHERE WE TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE, THE, UM, DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND, AND FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE EMPLOY, UH, EMPLOY, UM, TO MAINTAIN STREETS BASED ON WHERE THEY ARE, UH, IN THEIR LIFECYCLE. 
          UH, AS STREETS ARE NEWER, WE USE MORE OPERATIONAL DOLLARS, UH, TO DO SOME PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND LOCALIZED REPAIRS. 
          AND THEN AS YOU MOVE DOWN, UH, UH, AND THE STREETS GET OLDER, WE USE, UH, THE STREET REHABILITATION FUND, UH, FOR, UH, MORE IN-DEPTH REPAIRS AND REHABILITATIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, HISTORICALLY RESERVED, UH, FULL RECONSTRUCTION, UH, FOR, UH, THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND, AND KEEP THIS IN MIND 'CAUSE WE'LL REVISIT THIS STRATEGY, UH, LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          UH, THIS IS A, A SUMMARY OF THE THREE MOST RECENT BOND PROGRAMS. SO 20 10, 20 15, AND THEN THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP THERE JUST WHERE THOSE, UH, STREET AND ALLEY PROJECTS WERE LOCATED. 
          UH, AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM CHART, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, BOTH THE SIZE OF THE ISSUANCE AND THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL BOND ISSUANCE FOR THAT PROGRAM, UH, HAVE INCREASED, UH, DRASTICALLY, UH, OVER THIS TIME PERIOD. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU MAY RECALL, UM, THAT TO HELP US PRIORITIZE, UH, STREETS, UH, IN THE LEAD UP TO THE 2021, UH, BOND PROGRAM, WE CONDUCTED A, A PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT, WHICH, UH, AS THE NAME SUGGESTS, USE A VARIETY OF INSTRUMENTS, UH, ON A VEHICLE THAT DRIVES EVERY STREET AND EVERY ALLEY, UH, TO MEASURE, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE ROADWAY, THE ROADWAY SURFACE, IF THERE'S ANY IMPERFECTIONS, THE, THE ROUGHNESS, THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, TO DEVELOP, UH, BASICALLY A GRADE OF, OF, UH, HOW THE STREET IS. 
          AND IT'S A, A SCALE OF ZERO, UH, TO A HUNDRED. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THAT, UH, ZERO TO 25 IS CONSIDERED POOR, UH, AND THEN YOU MOVE INTO FAIR, 51 TO 75 IS SATISFACTORY. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          AND SO WHEN WE DID THIS IN THE 2020, UH, TIMEFRAME, UH, WE FOUND THAT OUR AVERAGE, UH, PCI WAS 59, WHICH IS IN THE SATISFACTORY, UH, CATEGORY, BUT, UH, WAS A DECREASE FROM WHEN WE DID THIS IN 20, UH, 24. 
          UH, WE DID NOT DO THIS AGAIN IN THE, IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS BOND PROGRAM JUST BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY STREETS, UH, REMAINING, UH, THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET TO, UH, IN THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM. 
          SO WE KIND OF ALREADY HAD OUR WORK LIST, UH, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO UPDATE THE, THE PCI. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE, UH, THIS WAS, UH, ALL THE STREETS AND ALLEYS, UH, IN THE CITY THAT HAD A PCI OF 25 OR LESS, UH, IN 2020. 
          UH, AND WHILE WE'VE MADE GOOD PROGRESS, UH, THIS IS, UH, WHERE WE, WHAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED EITHER THROUGH A BOND PROGRAM OR THROUGH, UH, ONE OF OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, UH, PROJECTS. 
          THIS IS THE REMAINDER OF STREETS THAT ARE, UH, LESS THAN 25 PCI BASED ON THAT, UH, 2020 ASSESSMENT. 
          SO AS WE START TO TO THINK ABOUT THE THE 26 BOND PROGRAM, UH, WE PRIORITIZE, UH, PROJECTS LOOKING AT A VARIETY FACTORS, AGAIN, MOST NOTABLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULDN'T GET TO IN THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM JUST DUE TO FUNDING CONSTRAINTS, UH, THAT PAVING THAT WAS PRIMARILY BUILT ON THE PAVEMENT CONDITION, UH, ASSESSMENT, BUT ALSO A VARIETY OF OTHER FACTORS. 
          UH, PRIMARILY THE CONDITION OF WATER AND SEWER AND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY NEED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN CONSIDERATIONS OF, IS THERE, UH, SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO AT THE STREET TO MAKE IT A COMPLETE STREET, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE A TP. 
          AND SO THIS IS, UH, OUR LIST OF 2020, UH, SIX BONDS, UH, CANDIDATE PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS INCLUDES, UH, A VARIETY OF COLLECTOR, UH, VARIETY OF COLLECTOR STREETS OF ALL TYPES, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREETS, UH, AND, AND ALLEYS. 
          UH, AND WHILE THAT IS, UH, ALL OF THE CANDIDATE STREETS WE'RE PROPOSING, I'LL, I'LL QUICKLY SHOW THAT AS, UH, YOU ADD UP THE COST FOR ALL OF THESE, UM, IT EQUALS ABOUT $207 MILLION. 
          UH, WE CAN'T DO ALL THAT TODAY. 
          SO IF YOU ADD IN A, A ESCALATION FACTOR FOR KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, UH, OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THAT'S, UH, USING A 5% ANNUAL INFLATION RATE, WHICH WE HAVE FOR, UH, ALL THE OTHER PROPOSITIONS, UM, THAT ADDS A 30, 33 $0.2 MILLION. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UH, ALMOST $241 MILLION, UH, IN CANDIDATE PROJECTS. 
          AND IF YOU RECALL THE BLOCKING EXERCISE FROM EARLIER THIS FALL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ALLOCATING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 90 MILLION AND 115, UH, MILLION DOLLARS FOR STREET AND ALLEY PROJECTS. 
          SO, UM, HAVE TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE THOSE AND FIGURE OUT A, A WAY TO, TO CULL THOSE, UH, DOWN TO FIT WITHIN, UM, THE, THE PROPOSITION. 
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ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO WANTED, UH, TO MENTION, AND THIS GETS BACK TO THAT TRIANGLE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, UH, IS THE PAVEMENT REHABILITATION STRATEGY. 
          SO WHAT ABOUT THOSE STREETS THAT DON'T NEED FULL RECONSTRUCTION? UH, CURRENTLY WE FUND, UH, CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT THROUGH, UH, THE STREET REHAB FUND. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS FUNDED, UH, THROUGH A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAX, UH, REVENUE THAT WE TYPICALLY CALL THE PENNY TAX THAT GROWS AS PROPERTY TAX, UH, GROWS AND IS SEGREGATED INTO A FUND THAT WE USE TO PUT BACK INTO STREETS, UH, AND ALLEYS. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS FUND, UH, COVERS A VARIETY OF MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION ACTIVITIES, UH, THAT INCLUDES KINDA THE GAMBIT OF THINGS FROM PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ALL THE WAY TO ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR REHABILITATION. 
          THIS IS WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET REPAIRS COME OUT OF, WHERE WE HAVE THE ZONES THAT WE GO THROUGH FROM YEAR TO YEAR, UH, REPAIRING NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, UH, AS WELL AS ASPHALT OVERLAYS, WHICH ARE THOSE, UH, STREETS THAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT, UH, CURRENTLY HAVE ASPHALT OVERLAYS THAT WE GO IN AND REPLACE THE ASPHALT OVERLAYS ON THEM. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT, AT HOW WE'VE SPENT MONEY, IT, IT, IT VARIES FROM YEAR TO YEAR, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE AVERAGED ABOUT, UH, $2 MILLION ON ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET REHABILITATION, UH, AND THEN ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AGAIN, ON THOSE ASPHALT OVERLAYS OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT ALREADY HAVE AN ASPHALT OVERLAY ON THEM. 
          UM, IF WE WANT TO KIND OF, UM, UH, EXPAND THE LENS OF, UH, THE BOND PROGRAM, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT, UH, ADDING CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT, UH, TO, UH, THE BOND PROGRAM BECAUSE THOSE CONCRETE PANELS HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF OVER 20 YEARS. 
          AND BECAUSE WE WOULD KIND OF HOLISTICALLY ADDRESS THE STREET SO THAT WE WOULDN'T TOUCH THE STREET AGAIN FOR 20 YEARS, UH, THOSE, THOSE COULD BE BOND, UH, FUNDED PROJECTS. 
          AND SO, UM, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IS TO COVER MORE GROUND, UH, AND ADDRESS, UH, MORE STREETS. 
          SO, UH, THIS HAS BEEN EMPLOYED, UH, BY, UH, OTHER CITIES SUCH AS PLANO AND ALLEN. 
          AND SO IT'S THOSE STREETS THAT, THAT DON'T WARRANT FULL RECONSTRUCTION. 
          MAYBE THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THE STREET IS GOOD. 
          UH, MAYBE THERE'S JUST VERY LOCALIZED AREAS OF THE STREET THAT ARE IN BAD SHAPE, BUT OTHER AREAS ARE IN PRETTY DECENT SHAPE. 
          SO YOU WOULD JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH, UH, DO ALL THE PANEL REPLACEMENTS OF, OF SECTIONS THAT, THAT WERE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION, BUT THEN NOT TOUCH THE PORTIONS OF THE STREET THAT WERE IN GOOD CONDITION, NOT TOUCH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, UNDER THE STREETS. 
          IF, IF WE DID THAT, UM, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, FREE UP THE, THE, THE ROUGHLY $2 MILLION I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT WE SPENT ON, UM, UH, STREET REHAB, UH, FOR ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR, UH, STREETS IN THE STREET REHAB FUND. 
          AND SO THAT GIVES US SOME OPTIONS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT OPTIONS, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, WOULD DO WITH THIS. 
          IF THIS WAS OF INTEREST TO THE COUNCIL, WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, LATER ON IN THE, IN THE BUILDUP TO THE, UM, THE, UH, BUDGET PROCESS DURING THE SUMMER AND THE DEEP DIVE, UH, CONVERSATION. 
          SO, BUT YOU, YOU COULD DO, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR OPTIONS YOU COULD DO. 
          YOU COULD CONTINUE, UH, TO DO $2 MILLION IN ARTUR AND COLLECTOR CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT THAT JUST ALLOWS YOU TO FURTHER EXPAND, UH, THE AREA THAT YOU'RE REPAIRING, UH, AND COVER COVER MORE LANE MILES. 
          UH, OPTION TWO, UH, WOULD BE TO SHIFT SOME OR ALL OF THAT FUNDING TO DO, UH, AN EXTRA NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE TO GET MORE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET REHAB, UH, COMPLETED. 
          UH, YOU COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR EXISTING ASPHALT REPLACEMENT, UH, WHERE NECESSARY. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT EXPANDING THE ASPHALT OVERLAY OF CONCRETE STREETS TO, TO SMOOTH THE RIDING SURFACE AND EXTEND THE PAVEMENT LIFE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, WE'VE LIMITED THAT TO AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE AN ASPHALT OVERLAY, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT FOR OTHER CONCRETE STREETS, AGAIN, THAT'S A STRATEGY THAT SOME OTHER CITIES AROUND US ARE IMPLO, UH, DEPLOYING, UH, TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF, OF THOSE STREETS. 
          AND, AND IF, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE THROWN AROUND, UH, THE, THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 25 MILLION. 
          UH, FOR, FOR THIS BOND PROGRAM, WE BELIEVE WE COULD COVER, UH, THESE STREETS. 
          UH, IF, IF WE DID THAT, AND AGAIN, THIS WOULDN'T BE FULL RECONSTRUCTION, THIS WOULD BE GOING KINDA STREET BY STREET PANEL BY PAN PANEL AND ASSESSING, UH, WHAT NEEDED TO BE, UH, WHAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS FOR YOU, UH, FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO, UH, IN THIS OPTION, OPTION ONE, IT INCLUDES, UH, SHIFTING TO WHERE WE INCLUDE, UH, SOME PORTION FOR CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT ON, ON THOSE STREETS. 
          AND SO, UH, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE, THE EXERCISE FROM EARLIER THIS FALL, WE HAD THE 90 MILLION LEVEL AND THE 115 LEVEL. 
          SO WITH THE 90 MILLION LEVEL, WE HAVE, UM, $21.1 MILLION IN COLLECTOR, UH, WORK. 
          THAT'S, UH, PRI, THAT'S WATERVIEW DRIVE FROM ARAPAHOE TO CAMPBELL. 
          UH, WE HAVE MIMOSA DRIVE, WHICH IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTOR FROM, UH, MELROSE, ARAPAHOE, UM, PRESIDENTIAL DRIVE, A PORTION OF PRESIDENTIAL DRIVE, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL STREET. 
          UM, UH, A FEW, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREETS ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          WE HAVE 13 ALLEY SEGMENTS, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, VARIOUS LOCATIONS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU ON THAT PRIOR MAP FOR, 
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UH, CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT. 
          SOME ADDITIONAL STREETS WE'D ADD AT THE 115 FUNDING LEVEL. 
          AND THEN, UM, HERE'S A LIST OF, OF STREETS THAT WOULD BE UN UNFUNDED, UH, AT THAT LEVEL. 
          UH, IF, IF THE COUNCIL ISN'T INTERESTED IN THE, UH, CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT STRATEGY AND TRULY WANTS TO JUST CONTINUE TO FOCUS BOND DOLLARS ON FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF STREETS, UM, OPTION TWO, UH, IS SIMILAR, BUT YOU SEE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS BLUE ON, ON THE LAST SLIDE BUMPS UP TO, UH, BE GREEN IN THE 90 MILLION FUNDING LEVEL. 
          AND THEN WE ADD A FEW EXTRA STREETS, UM, TO, I THINK WE HAD ONE MORE RESIDENTIAL STREET. 
          UH, AND, UH, THEN AT THE ONE 15 LEVEL, THERE'S SOME OF THE STREETS THAT WERE UNFUNDED IN THE PRIOR OPTION NOW BECOME FUNDED LIKE LINDE. 
          ANOTHER, UH, SEGMENT OF MELROSE, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, SECTIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, SIX ALLEY SEGMENTS. 
          SO THAT'S STREETS, UM, SHIFTING, UH, GEARS TO SIDEWALKS, UH, WHICH IS MUCH, UH, SIMPLER CONVERSATION. 
          UH, THIS, THIS SHOWS, UH, THE HISTORY OF THE SIDEWALK REPAIR PROGRAM. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE PRIOR ORBITS THAT WE'VE DONE BASED ON, UH, PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS. YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE SOLID COLORS ARE, WAS OUR FIRST ORBIT, IF YOU WILL, THROUGH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS OR DIFFERENT AREAS, I SHOULD SAY. 
          UH, AND THEN THE, UH, DASH LINE IS THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM. 
          SO WE'RE STARTING TO, UH, COVER AREAS FOR THE SECOND TIME. 
          AND, AND THIS PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS, UH, SIDEWALKS THAT MAY BE OUT OF A DA COMPLIANCE AS THOSE STANDARDS EVOLVE OVER TIME OR, UH, HANDLE, UH, PANELS THAT MAY HAVE, UH, SIGNIFICANT CRACKING OR MAY HAVE JUST BECAUSE OF SOIL SETTLING, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATED GAPS OR TRIP HAZARDS, UH, IN THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO, UH, FOR THE 20, UH, 26 BOND PROGRAM, UH, WE'D SUGGEST FOUR, UH, MORE AREAS, TWO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, R FIVE, UH, AND R THREE, AND THEN TWO COMMERCIAL AREAS, UH, C EIGHT AND UH, C FIVE. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT WE'D LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS, UH, IS COMING OUT OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          THE, THE, ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN WAS TO ELIMINATE SIDEWALK GAPS IN THE NETWORK. 
          SO THIS, THIS MAP SHOWS, UH, WHERE WE STILL HAVE SIDEWALK GAPS, UH, IN THE NETWORK. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT 43 MILES OF, OF GAPS ALONG VARIOUS STREETS. 
          AND SO, UM, WHAT, UH, WE WOULD PROPOSE IS, IN ADDITION TO THE SIDEWALK REHABILITATION WORK IS SETTING ASIDE, UH, FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, UH, TO ADDRESS, UH, THOSE GAPS. 
          SOME, UH, WE COULD WAIT FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          SOME DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS NOW BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND BUILD THE SIDEWALKS IF WE WANTED TO, TO CLOSE THOSE GAPS, OR WE CONTINUE TO WAIT, UH, OR WE COULD ADDRESS, UH, OTHER AREAS, UH, WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE DOLLARS AS WELL. 
          SO IN ALL THREE SCENARIOS, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN THE FALL, WE HAD 15 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR SIDEWALKS. 
          AND SO THIS ADDS UP TO THAT 15 MILLION. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST SHOWS THAT RECOMMENDATION OF AT THE $15 MILLION, UH, LEVEL YOU GET, UM, TWO COMMERCIAL AREAS, TWO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND THEN, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALK GAPS FOR FOUR AND A HALF MILLION. 
          SO NEXT STEPS, UH, ACCEPT YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, ON THESE ITEMS TONIGHT. 
          AND THEN, AS DON MENTIONED, LOOKING AHEAD, WE HAVE ONE MORE PRESENTATION THAT'S THE FACILITIES PRESENTATION NEXT WEEK. 
          AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP, UH, FOR THE REMAINDER OF DECEMBER AND JANUARY ON THE REFINEMENT PRIOR TO, UH, CALLING, UH, AN ELECTION BY, UH, FEBRUARY 9TH. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE PRESENTATION, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON STREETS. 
          UM, HOW DO WE, I KNOW WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR POOREST STREETS FIRST. 
          DO WE RANK THOSE WITHIN THE ZERO TO 25 SO WE KNOW WHAT IS RANKED A ONE VERSUS WHAT'S A 25 WHEN YOU GET THAT BAD? DOES IT REALLY MATTER AT THAT POINT? OR HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE EXAMINE THAT? WE, WE DO HAVE THE PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT, THAT DOES SHOW THAT GRANULAR LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, ZERO ALL THE WAY UP TO, TO 25, EVEN, EVEN BEYOND THAT. 
          UM, THAT IS, THAT IS A CONSIDERATION, BUT TO YOUR POINT, AT, AT THAT LEVEL, THERE'S NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE, UM, IN A A 10 OR 25. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN WE START TO ADD THE OTHER FACTORS IN. 
          LIKE WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF, OF THE UTILITIES UNDER THE STREET? IS IT A LOCALIZED AREA OR IS IT KIND OF SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STREET, UH, TO, UH, HELP US PRIORITIZE WHERE TO, TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS? OKAY. 
          SO I MEAN, IF IT'S ME AND THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE A ZERO MM-HMM . 
          I WOULD BE WONDERING WHY WE'RE FIXING A 25, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO REALLY EXAMINE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          BUT THAT MAY BE WHY IS THAT THERE'S MORE TO IT THAT WE CAN, OUR DOLLARS WOULD GO FURTHER ON THE 25 THAN MIGHT ON THAT ONE PART OF MY STREET. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          ON SIDEWALKS, ON THE GAPS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE 9.1 MILLION WE'RE COVERING A LOT OF GROUND MM-HMM 
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. 
          UM, IS THAT ALL JUST GONNA BE A DA UP UPGRADE OR ARE WE GONNA ACTUALLY BE REPLACING SOME PORTIONS LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST? WHAT WOULD THAT COVER? RIGHT ON ON? SO FOR THE, THE, THE, YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE COMMERCIAL AREAS OR THE GAPS OR THE COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR THE GAPS FOR THE, THE 9.1 OF BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSING A DA, IT WOULD ALSO BE ADDRESSING, UH, WHERE THERE IS, UH, A, A SIDEWALK PANEL THAT MAY BE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY CRACKED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR WHERE, JUST BECAUSE OF STREET SETTLE, UH, OR GROUND SETTLEMENT OR MAYBE A TREE ROUTE IS GROWN UNDER IT WHERE IT'S CREATED KIND OF A TRIP HAZARD. 
          UM, SO WE'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THOSE. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS OUR SECOND ORBIT. 
          UH, SO WE THINK THAT'S WHY THE AREAS KIND OF KEEP GETTING BIGGER 'CAUSE THERE'S LESS WORK TO DO IN EACH AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF ASSESSING THE AREA AS WE NEED TO AND ADDRESSING THOSE THAT ARE, HAVE SOME DEFECT THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN I THINK TO OUR SPEAKER'S POINT TONIGHT IS WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED? WE'RE REPLACING IT PANEL FOR PANEL EXACTLY HOW IT IS. 
          IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE AN EXPANSION OR, OR IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD IT BE A WIDER SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BE PUTTING IN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST DOING, UM, KIND OF INDIVIDUAL, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING AN ASSESSMENT ON INDIVIDUAL PANEL LEVEL. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WOULD GO BACK TO MATCH WHAT, WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE ALONG THE STREET WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, FILLING IN THE GAPS. 
          WE WOULD GO WITH WHATEVER THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN CALLS FOR, WHETHER IT'S A STANDARD SIDEWALK OR, UH, A SIDE PATH OR, OR, UH, WHATEVER FACILITY IS RECOMMENDED BY THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT CAN FIT WITHIN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON THE ACTUAL GAPS PIECE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, LIKE LINEAR FEET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT MIGHT COVER? UH, HOW MUCH OF THAT MAP ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS WITH THE FOUR AND A HALF MILLION? WE THAT TO BE DETERMINED? UH, IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE WE WANT TO UTILIZE THOSE DOLLARS. 
          IF YOU WANT TO UTILIZE THOSE DOLLARS TO GO AFTER GRANT FUNDING TO, TO FURTHER, UH, THAT AREA. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S A WIDE OPEN KIND OF FLATTER AREA, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN GO FURTHER WITH THAT. 
          IF WE'RE BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THOSE AREAS ARE ALONG THE ASPHALT STREETS THAT HAVE BAR DITCHES, UM, THAT'S GONNA CREATE A, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A MORE CREATIVE SOLUTION, UH, TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D GO, YOU'D GO LESS DISTANCE. 
          SO, UM, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COVER, UM, A, A LARGE PORTION OF THE GAP. 
          WE STILL THINK THERE'D BE A SIGNIFICANT GAP, EVEN WITH THE FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          UH, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED DOLLARS EQUALS YEAH. 
          UM, PER FOOT OF, OF SIDEWALK. 
          I'D BE CURIOUS AT SOME POINT IF WE COULD JUST, I KNOW YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GIMME AN EXACT SCIENCE OR, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WE CAN A HUNDRED OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT, UH, ON THE MAP. 
          SO IT'D BE HELPFUL, I THINK, TO HAVE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT I THINK THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS. 
          WE CAN BRING THAT BACK. 
          I MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL STOP FOR NOW. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DOYEN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR CHARLES. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          I, UH, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE ASKED SEVERAL OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT, UH, ON THE SIDEWALKS ABOUT THE 88 COMPLIANCY, AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S, UH, BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          UM, ON THE, ON THE OPTION ONE FOR THE STREETS AND ALLEYS, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE, I I, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE ASPHALT, UH, OVERLAYS AND WHETHER IT'S FULL DEPTH OR, UM, AN OVERLAY, BUT MY QUESTION IS ON THE OVERLAY, ARE WE PLANNING IN OPTION ONE OR TWO TO REPAIR THE CONCRETE SUBSTRATE FIRST AND THEN GO IN WITH AN OVERLAY AFTERWARDS TO MAKE THE STREET LOOK A LITTLE MORE ELEVATED? IF THAT'S THE OPTION WE CHOOSE FOR HOW TO SPEND THAT $2 MILLION? UH, THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN, YES. 
          IS, IS TO GO IN REPAIR THE, THE SUB BASE MM-HMM . 
          UH, TO DO ANY CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT THAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          AND THEN IF WE WANTED TO, UH, USE THAT 2 MILLION TO THEN DO AN OVERLAY OF, OF THAT STREET, UH, THAT WOULD BE A KIND OF A, A, THE CONCRETE ON THAT STREET WOULD BE IN GOOD CONDITION, AND THEN YOU'D BE BASICALLY SEALING THAT CONCRETE WITH ASPHALT MM-HMM . 
          UH, TO HELP PRESERVE THE LIFE OF THAT ASPHALT SO THAT IF THAT'S THE OPTION THE COUNCIL CHOOSES, THEN UH, THAT WOULD BE HOW WE WOULD DEPLOY THAT. 
          CHARLES, CLARIFY THE 2 MILLION THOUGH, THE 2 MILLION, UH, COUNCILMAN DORIAN WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE BOND PROGRAM? CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE THE $2 MILLION PAY GO WE WOULD USE. 
          SO JUST RIGHT. 
          CLARIFY THE, THE SCOPE OF THE WORK WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM VERSUS THE 2 MILLION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO THE, THE BOND PROGRAM IS, IS, UH, WHAT'S LISTED HERE. 
          UH, IF WE WENT WITH OPTION ONE AND USED EITHER 20 OR, OR 25 MILLION FOR CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT, WE WOULD, UH, UM, FOR THE CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT, WE WOULD GO OVER DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF STREETS, DO THE PANEL REPLACEMENT AGAIN, TO GET THOSE STREETS IN, IN GOOD CONDITION. 
          THEN WHAT THAT DOES IS IT FREES UP THESE OPTIONS OVER HERE. 
          UH, AND WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION WITH 
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THE COUNCIL ABOUT EXACTLY HOW YOU WANTED TO DEPLOY THE PEGO DOLLARS FROM THE PENNY TAX THAT GOES TO THE STREET REHAB FUND TO EITHER DO ADDITIONAL CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT, THAT'S OPTION ONE, UH, OR TO MAYBE ADD ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE THAT'S ABOUT $2 MILLION TO DO ADDITIONAL, UM, CONCRETE WORK IN NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, OR, UH, TO EXPAND THE ASPHALT OVERLAY ON EXISTING STREETS, WHICH IS OPTION THREE, OR TO GO TO SOME OF THOSE, UH, CONCRETE STREETS THAT AGAIN, WE JUST REPAIRED THROUGH THE BOND DOLLARS, UH, AND POTENTIALLY DO AN ASPHALT OVERLAY OF THOSE STREETS TO HELP PRESERVE THE LIFE OF, OF THOSE STREETS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY AT THIS, THE OFFICERS ONE THROUGH FOUR ARE NOT REALLY PART OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO TIE THAT TONIGHT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          I JUST, I, I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR 'CAUSE THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, ALTHOUGH I DO PREFER A COUPLE OF THOSE, BUT I WON'T, I WON'T DIVE INTO THAT TONIGHT. 
          BUT, SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR AGAIN ON OPTION ONE OR TWO. 
          OPTION ONE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY GOING BACK THROUGH AND MAKING REPAIRS ON THE EXISTING SUBSTRATE AND FINISH THE OVERLAYS. 
          AND THEN OPTION TWO WOULD BE INTEGRATING SOME OF THE, UH, REPAIRS AND ALSO CREATING ASPHALT OVERLAY. 
          SO OPTION, OPTION, NO, I'M SORRY. 
          OPTION ONE INTRODUCES THE CONCEPT OF USING BOND DOLLARS TO DO CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENTS. 
          SO REHABBING CONCRETE STREETS THAT MAY NOT WARRANT FULL REPAIR. 
          OKAY, GOT IT. 
          HISTORICALLY, WE'VE USED BOND DOLLARS ONLY FOR THE STREETS THAT WARRANT FULL REPAIR. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, SO OPTION ONE INTRODUCES THAT CONCEPT, AND THEN IT OPENS THE DOOR IF WE WANT TO DO ASPHALT OVERLAYS USING THE PEGO DOLLARS OPTION. 
          IF, IF COUNCIL IS NOT INTERESTED, UH, IN, UM, KIND OF CHANGING THE, THE, THE HISTORIC APPROACH AND WANTS TO KEEP ONLY USING BOND DOLLARS FOR FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF STREETS, THEN THAT'S OPTION TWO, UH, WHERE WE AREN'T SETTING ASIDE 20 TO 25 MILLION FOR, UH, THE PANEL REPLACEMENT AND ARE SOLELY FOCUSED ON FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF STREETS. 
          OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. 
          THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT. 
          AGAIN, I MAY HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, I'LL LEAVE IT FOR NOW. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR CHARLES, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS, AND YOU KIND OF TALKED AROUND IT OR, OR ANSWERED SOME OF IT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT FROM CURB TO CENTER OF THE STREET? IS THAT A STANDARD OF 10 FEET OR 15 FEET, UH, LINEAR FEET OF, UH, LANE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, HEY, WE GO IN, WE SEE A FOUR BY FOUR, WE'RE GONNA CUT IT OUT, WE'RE GONNA FILL IT, AND THAT'S A FOUR BY FOUR SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SURE. 
          SO IT, IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT IT, IF IT'S A, UH, LIKE A RESIDENTIAL STREET, IT WOULD BE CURB TO THE MIDLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOST LIKELY, UM, ERIC HELPED ME OUT WITH THE LENGTH OF A PANEL. 
          YEAH, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE STREET, BUT IT COULD BE 10 FOOT PANEL, 20 FOOT PANEL. 
          BUT GENERALLY WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EITHER GOING A HALF A PANEL OR A FULL PANEL STAYING, LIKE CHARLES SAID, THE WIDTH OF THE STREET. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE DOGEARED LOOKS OR, YOU KNOW, PATCHES ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          WE TRY TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT LEVEL ON HOW WE DO THE PANEL REPLACEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AGAIN, IT COULD BE A FULL PANEL OR HALF PANEL, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME WIDTH AND UNIFORM ALL DOWN THE STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THESE CONCRETE PANELS, THEY GO IN, THEY CAN GO IN EITHER ON A CONCRETE STREET, SORRY, THEY CAN GO IN EITHER ON A CONCRETE STREET OR IN A BLACKTOP STREET. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHETHER IT'S AN OVERLAY OR A SOLID BLACKTOP. 
          UM, IF THERE'S A, IF I'M ON A ROAD THAT HAS A BLACKTOP AND WE GO IN AND CUT OUT A CONCRETE PANEL, HOW'S THAT TRANSITION FROM MY CONCRETE TO BLOCK TOP? AND WAS THAT, AM I GONNA SEE WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE EDGES SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WE START SEEING DIVOTS AROUND THE CONCRETE? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT KIND OF BLEND THROUGH? OR DO YOU OVERLAY IT TO MATCH IT WITH THE SURROUNDING BLOCK TOP AREA? SO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE WOULD ONLY BE ON STREETS THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONCRETE ONLY ON STREETS THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONCRETE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN, IN THE WAY IT WORKS ON, ON STREETS THAT DO HAVE AN ASPHALT OVERLAY IS TYPICALLY THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, SOME SORT OF, UH, A MILLING PROCESS WHERE YOU, YOU, YOU TAKE UP THE ASPHALT THAT IS ON OVER THE CONCRETE NOW, THEN YOU DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PAVEMENT UNDER THE, THE CONCRETE PAVEMENT UNDER IT. 
          YOU FIX THAT PANEL, UH, AND THEN YOU DO, UH, ANOTHER ASPHALT LAYER, UH, OVER IT. 
          AND YEAH, YOU, YOU INCORPORATE THAT INTO WHEREVER YOU, YOU, UM, LEFT THE ASPHALT, YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO WORK THAT IN AND SMOOTH THAT OUT, UH, IN SOME WAY. 
          HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF OVERLAYING WITH ASPHALT, OR AS I CALLED IT EARLIER, BLACKTOP MM-HMM . 
          IS WHAT WE CALLED IT GROWING UP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND. 
          'CAUSE I REMEMBER I THINK MAYBE TWO OR THREE TIMES IN THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS I'VE SERVED, I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF EMAILS ABOUT NOISE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT WAS CONCRETE OR ASPHALT. 
          THAT ONE IS LOUDER THAN THE OTHER. 
          AND I KNOW IN SOUTHWEST RICH AND SOME OF THOSE OLDER HOMES WHERE YOU CAN HEAR EVERYTHING YEAH. 
          FROM, FROM THAT HAPPENS ON THE STREET. 
          UM, IS, IS THAT ASPHALT 
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THAT I'M THINKING IS LOUDER OR WHAT'S THE BENEFITS OTHER THAN ASPHALT IS TYPICALLY QUIETER THAN CONCRETE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WHAT YOU HEAR IN THE CONCRETE IS, IS WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE JOINTS, WHERE YOU HAVE THE PANELS, THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A POP AS YOU GO OVER 'EM. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN HEAR THE IMPERFECTIONS AS, AS YOU KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HIT UP, HIT A CRACK OR A POTHOLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF YOU SMOOTH THAT OUT WITH ASPHALT, UH, IT MAKES THE OVERALL RIDE SMOOTHER AND AND QUIETER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ASPHALT TENDS TO ABSORB THE SOUND A LITTLE BETTER THAN CONCRETE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO KNOWING THAT, WHAT IS THE, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE OTHER THAN HAVING THE, THE FINANCES TO FUND IT ALL, UM, TO PUTTING ASPHALT DOWN? I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT A SHORTER LIFESPAN? LIKE WHY DO WE USE CONCRETE IN AREAS VERSUS ASPHALT? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MECHANICS BEHIND IT. 
          THE, THE ASPHALT ITSELF DOES HAVE A SHORTER LIFESPAN. 
          SO, UM, IF, IF WE DID GO, GO DOWN THAT ROAD, NO PUN INTENDED, UM, UH, AT SOME POINT YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO A MILL AND OVERLAY OF WHERE YOU TAKE UP ALL THE ASPHALT AGAIN, DO THE CHECK OF, OF THE SUBGRADE TO, OR, OR THE, THE PAVEMENT UNDERNEATH THE ASPHALT, UH, TO, TO ADDRESS ANY PANEL FAILURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN PUT DOWN NEW ASPHALT. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE TO TOUCH THE STREET MORE OFTEN, THEORETICALLY THAN YOU WOULD AT CONCRETE. 
          UH, BUT IT OVERALL, IT EXTENDS THE LIFE OF THE CONCRETE TO WHERE YOU'RE DOING THE CHEAPER ASPHALT OVERLAYS MORE FREQUENTLY. 
          UM, BUT, UH, YOU, UM, YOU DON'T GET TO, TO LEAVE THE STREET ALONE, UH, FOR AS LONG AS YOU WOULD WITH, WITH CONCRETE. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S SEALING THE STREET ESSENTIALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S WHY WE DO LESS, IT'S WHY WE DON'T DO ANYTHING LESS THAN A HALF A PANEL ANYMORE. 
          I MEAN, OUR OLD PRACTICE, WE WERE CREATING JOINTS EVERYWHERE, AND THE JOINTS ARE THE FAILURE POINT. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEAL A STREET WITH CO WITH ASPHALT, YOU ELIMINATE A GREAT DEAL OF THE EXPOSURE, UH, TO WATER THAT THE JOINTS ARE, THAT THE JOINTS WOULD HAVE. 
          AND SO CHARLES IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA RE UM, OVERLAY THE STREET AT PROBABLY EVERY SEVEN TO EIGHT, MAYBE 10 YEARS IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE FORTUNATE. 
          BUT THAT'S GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN GOING THROUGH AND REBUILDING STREETS OR EVEN DOING SUBSTANTIAL LOCALIZED REPAIR IN THAT SAME, IN THAT SAME SPAN. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN OF CONCRETE, GENERALLY A CONCRETE ROAD? 20 YEARS. 
          25. 
          25. 
          25. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FIN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          I MEAN, HAVING ASPHALT CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY EACH ONE HAS THEIR OWN BENEFIT. 
          UH, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE THAT, THE JOINT PROBLEM, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S MORE CONSTRUCTION PROBLEM. 
          IF YOU CAN INSPECT AND DO IT CORRECTLY, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE JOINT SEPARATE AND HAVE THAT BUMP, BUMP, BUMP SOUND EVERY FEW SECONDS WHEN YOU DRIVE THAT. 
          THOSE ARE POOR CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD SAY. 
          UH, I WANTED TO ASK YOU A FEW THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST WE DID SOME BOND PROGRAM, WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME RECONSTRUCTION, HOW THOSE PROJECTS ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONCRETE, UH, STREETS, UH, AND VERSUS THE SUM OF THE ASPHALT. 
          ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY, I'M SURE YOU HAVE RECORD OF THOSE, BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THOSE OR? I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY, UH, FOR ANY OF THE, THE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED CONCRETE STREETS. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AGING AS YOU WOULD, WOULD EXPECT THEM TO AGE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO THE, THE ASPHALT  THAT WE HAVE, THOSE ARE WORKING PRETTY GOOD. 
          UH, BECAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH DRAINAGE SYSTEM UNDERGROUND BECAUSE THE CITY HAS BEEN BUILT WITHOUT MUCH DRAINAGE SYSTEMS MM-HMM . 
          DAY ONE. 
          SO NOTHING REALLY WE CAN DO OVERNIGHT. 
          UH, AND WHEN YOU HAVE WATER RUNS OVER THE STREET, I MEAN, THE STREET HAS A CAPACITY, DRAINAGE CAPACITY, IT'LL TAKE THE WATER DOWN, BUT YOU WILL SEE SIX, SEVEN INCHES WATER ON THE STREET WHEN IT RAINS HEAVILY, UH, OR MODERATE RAIN AND ASPHALT 10, YOU KNOW, NORWICK DOESN'T HOLD UP THAT MUCH WHEN YOU HAVE WATER STANDING RUNNING LIKE THAT MUCH. 
          SO FAILURE OF ASPHALT IS MUCH MORE FREQUENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU WILL SEE THAT LOTS OF PAYABLES ON THE STREET MM-HMM . 
          LIKE BUNCH OF PAYABLES COMING FROM SOMEWHERE BE, BUT BASICALLY THOSE ARE LIKE SEPARATED ASPHALT MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, STANDING THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF YOU, YOU KNOW, NOT TODAY, SOMETIMES IF YOU CAN HAVE SOME OF THE CONDITION LOOK TO SEE HOW THOSE ARE DOING, AND SO THAT WE CAN MAKE, UH, I'M SURE AS A ENGINEER, YOU GUYS LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, BUT ALSO AS RESIDENTS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHY, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN DO THINGS MORE BETTER BECAUSE ASPHALT IS MUCH CHEAPER. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          UH, SOMETIMES NOT ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO REDO THIS THING MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE FREQUENTLY AND STILL NOTHING HAPPEN, SO AT LEAST WE'LL UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, 
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YOU KNOW, WHY THAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW WE CAN AVOID THOSE. 
          UH, I THINK THOSE ARE CRITICAL. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE PLENTY OF BUDGET BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA DO CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN WITHIN COUPLE YEARS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          SO MONEY IS MONEY EVERYWHERE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMENT I HAVE. 
          UH, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          THERE'S, UH, THE SIDEWALK, YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF GAP. 
          HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT? IF WE HAVE GAP AROUND THE SCHOOL, UH, THAT STILL WE NEED TO COVER, UH, AND, UH, IF WE STILL HAVE SOME GAP, MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO COVER THOSE THING EARLY, UH, THEN ADDRESS THE OTHERS REST, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE ARE COVERED AROUND THE SCHOOL. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? OR MAYBE YOU CAN COVER THIS THING LATER, SOME OTHER TIME. 
          YEAH, I, UM, I, I, I'M TRYING TO THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES NEAR SCHOOLS, LET, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT AND OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          AND ALSO, I SEE THAT, UH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THE CONCRETE FULL STREET. 
          IF, IF, UH, I SEE MANY PLACES WE HAVE SOME FAILURE, ONLY SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST LOCAL AND MOST OF THE STREETS ARE PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, BUT LOCALLY HAVE PROBLEM. 
          AND WHEN THE WATER GETS INTO THE STREET UNDER, UNDER THE PAVEMENT, THEN YOU HAVE FAILURE OTHER PLACES. 
          AND SOMETIMES THOSE FAILURE ARE NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE FAILURE. 
          THOSE, SOME OF THEM ARE MOST LIKELY THE WATER LEAKAGE UNDERGROUND OR MAYBE SEWER LEAKAGE. 
          UH, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE OUR SEWER SYSTEM ARE PRETTY OLD. 
          WE STILL HAVE CLAY PIPE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          SEWER PIPE, CLAY PIPE, VCP. 
          YES. 
          AND, UH, I THINK WE STILL, WE HAVE CAST IRON WATER PIPE AROUND THE CITY. 
          YES. 
          SO EVEN WHEN YOU REPLACE THOSE PANEL, EVEN THOSE CONCRETE WILL HAVE 20 YEARS LIFESPAN. 
          AND, UH, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM TODAY FOR THOSE UTILITIES, WATER OR SEWER, BUT IF THOSE ARE CAST IRON PIPE OR CLAY PIPE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEM. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA GO 20 YEARS. 
          SO IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE THING, UH, CONDITION, IF THOSE ARE THOSE PIPE, THEN YOU NEED TO REPLACE THAT, RIGHT? SO RULE OUT THOSE, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT. 
          I, I'M JUST POINTING SO THAT YES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HEAR OURSELF AND WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE COVERING THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALL FOR REPLACING, YOU KNOW, UH, THOSE PIECES. 
          BECAUSE SOONER YOU CAN FIX THAT, THE BETTER FOR THE STREET. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING UNDERGROUND, THEN I DON'T, I'M, I'M HESITANT TO PUT THOSE IN THE BOND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE REPAIRING THOSE STREET FASTER BECAUSE OF THE, UH, WATER OR SEWER PIPE REPLACEMENT. 
          UH, BUT FOR OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO, I, I THINK YOU MADE IT VERY CLEAR NOW. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING EVEN FOR ME. 
          YOU KNOW, WHY THE CONCRETE IS THERE, WHY THE CONCRETE IS NOT THERE, IS BASICALLY YOU ARE NOT REPLACING THE CONCRETE WITH THE, ALL THIS JUST, THOSE STREET ARE GONNA BE COVERED SOME OTHER TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THIS, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE 2012 IN THE STREET AND THE ANNUAL STREET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE BOND DOLLARS FOR, BECAUSE WE CAN FREE UP THE PENNY TAX BECAUSE IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE AND WE CAN USE IT FOR THINGS THAT DON'T REQUIRE A 20 YEAR LIFE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DIFFERENT, UM, CONSTRUCTION METHOD THAT HASN'T BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2012 WHEN WE ADOPTED OUR FIRST MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. 
          UM, IF IT'S FULL DEPTH CONCRETE, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK WITH FULL DEPTH CONCRETE. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS DECIDE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO TRY OVERLAY AN OVERLAY STRATEGY, WE'RE STILL GONNA USE THE SAME EXACT CONSTRUCTION APPROACH THAT WE'VE ALWAYS, THAT WE'VE USED SINCE 2012. 
          UM, WE WOULD JUST BE CONS, YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING AN ADDITIONAL STEP, WHICH BE TO DO AN OVERLAY. 
          UM, TODAY TO THAT IS THE OVERLAY HAS, THAT'S, THAT'S PAID, UH, FOR OUT THE PENNY TAX HAS ONLY BEEN ON STREETS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD AN ASPHALT OVERLAY. 
          AND WE'RE DOING THAT. 
          AND, AND, AND IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS IN 20, UM, IT WAS IN 2019 WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED THAT OPTION TO, UM, GO BACK AND DO SOME OVERLAYS BECAUSE WE HAD IDENTIFIED, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS, I REMEMBER HOW MANY MILES IT WAS, I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          BUT WE HAD IDENTIFIED SEVERAL. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF MILES WHERE WE FELT THE SUBGRADE UTILITIES WERE IN A, UH, GOOD SHAPE, A GOOD CONDITION. 
          SO IF WE DID, IF WE WENT BACK WITH THE OVERLAY, 'CAUSE PRIOR TO THAT, FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WE WEREN'T DOING OVERLAYS AT ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ASPHALT 
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STREETS WERE, TO YOUR POINT, WERE LEFT TO DETERIORATE FROM THE CURBS IN USUALLY. 
          UM, SO I REALLY WANNA MAKE THAT, I REALLY WANNA IMPRESS THAT UPON THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DIFFERENT APPROACH ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO REPAIR CONCRETE STREETS. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO MINIMUM HALF PANEL FULL DEPTH CONCRETE REPLACEMENT. 
          IT'S WHAT DO WE DO SUBSEQUENT TO THAT? DO WE LEAVE IT LIKE THAT OR DO AN ASPHALT OVERLAY TO TRY TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, A A, UM, A SEALANT OVER THAT, THAT STREET SO THAT THAT CONCRETE THAT WE JUST REPAIRED AND THE REMAINDER OF THE CONCRETE HAVE A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF LASTING LONGER? NO, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          I THINK, UH, WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT IF THE MONEY SPENT FROM THE BOND PROGRAM, NOBODY WANTS TO GO BACK BEFORE THE LIGHTS SPAN OVER. 
          SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE SOMETIMES IF THERE IS SOME TECHNICAL ERROR HAPPEN, WE JUST HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN. 
          BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN AVOID THAT SITUATION. 
          UH, THANK YOU MAYOR PRO MAYOR, PRO TEM, HUTCHEN RIDER. 
          THANK YOU CHARLES. 
          UM, REALLY NICE PRESENTATION. 
          APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. 
          I HAVE A OVERARCHING QUESTION THAT CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SURVEY WHERE YOU SHOWED THE ZERO TO 25 AND RIGHT THERE, WHOOPS, WENT A LITTLE FAST. 
          THE COLOR, I THINK ABOUT THE AGE OF THE STREETS. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ONE, ONE MORE. 
          ONE MORE. 
          I THINK RIGHT THERE. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, KNOWING WHAT WE'RE FACING, I MEAN, WE, IN THE LAST BOND PROGRAM, WE, WE SUNK QUITE A BIT OF MONEY INTO ROADS. 
          UM, THAT WAS OUR PRIORITY. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT AGAIN. 
          AND YET, I LOOK AT THIS AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE SLID BACKWARDS KNOWING THAT THE PRICE OF CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION, EVERYTHING IS GOING QUITE RAPIDLY UPWARDS GIVEN WE KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATURE'S DOING TO US. 
          ARE WE, DO WE NEED TO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY THIS, CALL A TIMEOUT AND RETHINK WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH STREETS AND ROADS FROM THE STANDPOINT ARE, ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP AND PAY FOR WHAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR GIVEN ALL THE PRESSURES THAT WE'RE SEEING COMING DOWN? I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW BACK WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, IT WAS CONCRETE, CONCRETE, CONCRETE. 
          AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S PROBABLY NOT, I'LL TRY THIS WORD, THE GOLD STANDARD, IF YOU WILL, BUT DO WE NEED TO CALL A TIMEOUT AS WE LOOK AT THIS BOND PROGRAM AND THINK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE? BECAUSE I JUST WORRY THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH OUR TAIL, AND I JUST HAVE THIS FEAR THAT OUR TAIL IS GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM US. 
          GIVEN WHAT I'M SEEING HERE ON THIS, ON THIS PAGE, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL. 
          IT'S JUST, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FORCES THAT HAVE COME TO BEAR ON US OVER, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE LAST, UM, BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS BOND PROGRAM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PRESSURE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OTHER ASPECTS OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, AND YET, YOU KNOW, STREETS AND ALLEYS IS JUST GOBBLING A HUGE COMPONENT OF OUR, OF OUR BOND PROGRAMS. IT DID, UM, IN THE LAST BOOK BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND IT IS, IT IS IN THIS ONE. 
          AND DO WE, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT THE EXPERT AND I'M NOT, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT THE ECONOMICS AND I'M JUST, I HAVE THIS FEAR THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NEVER GONNA CATCH OUR TAILS, SO TO SPEAK, IN TRYING TO, TO, TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND DO WE NEED TO THINK OF, I MEAN, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MORE AGGRESSIVE OVERLAYS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MORE AGGRESSIVE, JUST LITERALLY GOING IN AND SAYING, OH, OKAY, THIS PANEL'S BAD, THIS PANEL'S BAD. 
          WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THOSE TWO OUT. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO AN OVERLAY AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PERSONALLY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE REALITY OF THE ECONOMICS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STARING AT AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOUR TOTAL DOLLARS WERE, BUT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY TOWARDS IT, AND IT, EVERY TIME IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE MAP IS SHRINKING AS TO HOW MUCH WE'RE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT A FAIR QUESTION, OR MAYBE Y Y'ALL HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I JUST, I I JUST WORRY AND FROM A PURE ECONOMIC STANDPOINT OF ARE WE, ARE WE EVER GONNA GET THERE? MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR QUESTION? YEAH, IT'S, NO, IT'S VERY FAIR. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SAID, UM, AS MANAGER AND PRIOR AS DEPUTY AND, AND DAN SAID IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN FOLKS WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, ARE WE CATCHING UP? MY, MY ANSWER WAS ALWAYS NO, BUT WE'RE NOT FALLING BEHIND US AT THE SAME RATE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TRULY, YOU KNOW, CATCH UP. 
          WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE SPENDING $200 MILLION A BOND PROGRAM ON STREETS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. 
          THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, STREETS, STREETS PROBABLY WEREN'T PRIORITIZED, UH, THE 
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WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHEN OUR STREETS STARTED HITTING THE 25 TO 30 YEAR MARK. 
          AND SO NOW WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH IS 60% OF OUR STREETS BEING 40 YEARS OLD. 
          UM, AND THE WATER AND SEWER LINES AND, AND STORM SEWER SYSTEM IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT OLD. 
          AND SO THERE'S BEEN A, UM, DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF NEED THAT HAS COME ONLINE THIS, THIS LAST DECADE AS, AS A RESULT OF THAT. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF A, IN TERMS OF A STRATEGY, I THINK, UM, UH, MAYOR PRO TIM, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WASN'T, WASN'T SAID WAS THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY A FIFTH OPTION. 
          UM, AND THAT'S TO, TO DO NOTHING WITH THOSE PENNY DO THOSE THAT, THAT PENNY TAX, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE KNOBS, UH, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          UH, THE PENNY TAX, THE, UH, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, THE ED FUND, ALL THOSE TRANSFER OUTS ARE THINGS THAT IN, IN, IN A VERY REAL, REAL WAY, WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONSIDER IN THE, IN THE COMING YEARS OF REDUCING TO BE ABLE TO DO OTHER CORE ESSENTIAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND SO, UH, I'LL BE HONEST, WHEN, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS PROPOSAL OF PUTTING LOCALIZED REPAIR DOLLARS IN THE BOND PROGRAM, I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE IT. 
          UM, IT GREW ON ME, BUT IT, IT, THE MOST, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THAT STRATEGY IS THAT IT DOES RELIEVE SOME PRESSURE ON THE PENNY TAX. 
          AND IF WE HAVE TO GO TO THE, IF WE HAVE TO GO TO THE TWO AND A HALF CENTS THAT WE TRANSFER OUT, UM, FOR STREETS, WE WILL AT LEAST HAVE THE DOLLARS IN THE, IN THE BOND PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT FIVE, UH, YEARS TO CONTINUE ON WITH OUR LOCALIZED REPAIR OF OUR TOURISM AND OUR COLLECTORS. 
          AND SO, SO THE, THE ANSWER ON THE, ON THE, ON THE STRATEGY, WE HAVE, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF, UM, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF, UM, RESEARCH AND I THINK THOUGHTFUL, UM, REVIEW OF OUR STRATEGY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK ANY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ON A FULL, FULL DEPTH CONCRETE STREAK NOW, UM, I THINK THAT AT A MINIMUM WE HAVE TO GO BACK WITH A FULL DEPTH REPAIR. 
          UM, I THINK EVERYBODY, I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. 
          THE QUESTION BECOMES, UM, IF YOU START DOING OVERLAYS, UH, AND THIS IS JUST THE VALUE PROPOSITION, IF YOU START DOING OVERLAYS ON EVERY STREET THAT WE REPAIR, THAT'S LESS DOLLARS TO REPAIR OTHER STREETS. 
          RIGHT? NOW, YOU CAN ARGUE, AND, AND IT'S A GOOD ARGUMENT THAT IF YOU, BUT IF YOU DO AN OVERLAY ON THAT STREET THAT YOU JUST REPAIRED, YOU'RE PROTECTING IT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. 
          BUT FOR EVERY OVERLAY WE DO, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, EACH OF THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE HAD ABOUT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, UH, IN OVERLAY DOLLARS IN OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. 
          WELL, THAT'S A MILLION AND A HALF LESS REPAIRS WE MADE BECAUSE WE WERE PROTECTING THE REPAIRS THAT WE JUST CREATE, THAT WE JUST FACILITATED. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY A VALUE PROPOSITION. 
          JUST LIKE, UH, PUTTING THESE DOLLARS IN THE BOND PROGRAM FOR, FOR THE LOCALIZED REPAIRS. 
          THAT'S IF YOU, THAT'S $25 MILLION OF RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE. 
          IS IT TO, UM, IS IT TO RECONSTRUCT, UM, AND START AND, AND NOT START, IS IT TO RECONSTRUCT AND CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THE LIST OF STREETS THAT WE KNOW ON A, THEY'RE ON A, THEY'RE ON A SHOT CLOCK, RIGHT? YOU CAN, ERIC'S TEAM CAN ONLY GO OUT SO OFTEN AND PUT ASPHALT PATCH UPON, ASPHALT PATCH UPON AS, AND BY THE WAY, THERE, THAT HAS TO BE FACTORED IN TOO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ERIC'S STREET BUDGET'S A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND YOU TOLD ME EARLIER, THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IS REACTIVE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          WE'RE SPENDING A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TRYING TO NURSE THE STREETS THAT WE KNOW HAVE TO BE RECONSTRUCTED ALONG TO, TO WHAT, TO THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM, I GUESS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS MY INITIAL REACTION TO PUTTING THE $20 MILLION IN FOR LOCALIZED REPAIRS. 
          IT'S 20, IT'S NOT THAT, THAT'S NOT VERY, VERY GOOD STRATEGY IN ITS OWN, UH, RESPECT, BUT IT'S $20 MILLION LESS OF RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA GET TO DO. 
          WE KNOW THAT THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM IS GONNA BE EITHER FIVE OR SIX YEARS AWAY. 
          THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT GOT, THAT WERE ON THE CUTTING FLOOR IN 2021. 
          THAT'S 10 YEARS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE STREETS. 
          WE ALL, WE COULD ALL NAME ONE  THAT WE'VE DRIVEN DOWN WHERE YOU GO, YOU CAN'T PUT ANOTHER ASPHALT PATCH ON IT. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR, I THINK, I BELIEVE OUR STRATEGY IS THE . 
          I BELIEVE OUR APPROACH IS THE RIGHT APPROACH, BUT THERE'S REALLY TWO STRATEGIES. 
          THERE'S THE STRATEGIES OF DOUBLING DOWN ON THE LOCALIZED REPAIR SO THAT THOSE SATISFACTORY AND GOOD, REMAIN SATISFACTORY AND GOOD. 
          AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER, YOU CAN PUT AN ASPHALT OVERLAY ON IT. 
          AND REALLY, UM, AND, AND REALLY NO, FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IF, IF THAT'S THE WAY, IF THAT'S YOUR PRIORITY, THE POOR STREETS, WE'RE GONNA DO LESS POOR STREETS, THEY'RE GONNA BE LESS RE RECONSTRUCTIONS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF I'M BEING HONEST, IT CONCERNS ME TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE STREETS THAT IN 2020 WERE IDENTIFIED AS A 2025 OR, OR LOWER, UM, 
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UH, A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX SCORE THAT 10 YEARS LATER THOSE STREETS WOULD STILL BE NOT ADDRESSED. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT, AND I KNOW IT'S OUR, THE COST OF MAINTAINING THEM YEAR AFTER YEAR IS ONLY GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, I I'M, I'M PRESENTING YOU WITH A VERY, UM, A, A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T HAVE A A, AN ELEGANT ANSWER, . 
          I MEAN, YEAH. 
          SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR PRIORITY IS SO THAT WE CAN, UM, WE CAN TRY TO BUILD A PLAN THAT'S RESPONSIVE TO THAT. 
          AND, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I LOOK AT, AT A MINIMUM, YOU THREE AND WHOEVER ELSE WHO ARE THE REAL EXPERTS, AND I WOULD ASK WHAT Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION TO US, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, IN MY OWN MIND, I CAN SIT THERE AND SAY, WELL, OKAY, IF WE KEEP THE GOOD IN THE SATISFACTORY AND MAYBE THE HIGH END AFFAIR BY DOING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A BAD STRATEGY, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THEN IT PUTS OFF FIXING THE ZERO TO, LET'S SAY ZERO TO 40 JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. 
          SO I VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT IS, I'D, I'D REALLY LOVE TO HEAR, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TONIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, PRIOR I'D, I'D REALLY LOVE TO HEAR WHAT Y'ALL'S STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SIX OUTTA SEVEN OF US ARE NOT EXPERTS. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT ARGUMENT THAT, THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN ARFIN HAS THE, THE MOST KNOWLEDGE OUT OF ANY OF US WHEN IT COMES TO PROBABLY THIS. 
          UM, UM, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR WHAT Y'ALL'S STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS. 
          SO I, THAT WOULD BE MY ASK IS NOT, NOT, I DON'T SAY NOT LEAVE IT ON OUR HANDS. 
          I MEAN, BUT I, I, I REALLY THINK Y'ALL HAVE GOTTA WEIGH IN ON THIS ONE AND TELL US WHAT'S THE BEST STRATEGY THAT ON A GO FORWARD BASIS. 
          I REALLY DO FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. 
          IF, IF, IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THE RIGHT ROUTE, AS FAR AS WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, THEN TELL US WHAT'S THE, THE BEST STRATEGY FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT, WHATEVER, FIVE, 10 YEARS, WHATEVER THE RIGHT TIMEFRAME IS. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          I, I DIDN'T, WE WE'RE AT LEAST FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION BEFORE WE YEAH, NO, NO. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT COMPLETELY. 
          BUT I'M JUST, I GUESS I'M ASKING, I VERY MUCH WOULD WANT TO HEAR WHAT Y'ALL'S STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS. 
          'CAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO RELY ON THAT, IN ALL HONESTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, I THINK MAYOR PROTE MAKES SOME REALLY GREAT POINTS AND, AND A COUPLE THINGS I WANNA CLARIFY BECAUSE, UH, I, I SHARE YOUR CONCERN, BUT I ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HOPE, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION FOR ONE, UH, THE LAST PCI SCORES WERE IN 2020 BEFORE THE ENTIRE LAST BOND WAS, WAS DONE. 
          DO YOU MIND GOING BACK ONE SLIDE? IF YOU LOOK OVER HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN 2021, IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT THE COUNCIL TOOK SUPER SERIOUSLY ROAD PROJECTS. 
          AND I, I WAS PART OF A COUNCIL THAT I'M NOT REAL PROUD OF AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE WE SPENT $20 MILLION ON STREETS. 
          YOU GUYS SPENT ALMOST FIVE TIMES THAT, OR WHOEVER WAS HERE IN 2021. 
          SO I, I THINK THE CONCERN ABOUT US GOING BACKWARDS, QUOTE UNQUOTE, WOULD BE PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INVESTMENT TO DON'S POINT IN 2010 AND 2015, YOU SEE IN 2021, EVERYONE TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY. 
          AND WE DID THAT. 
          AND FRANKLY, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESCORE SINCE THOSE $93 MILLION WERE SPENT. 
          SO HYPOTHETICALLY NOT, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A RESCORE, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, THE RESCORE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A BIT BETTER IN TERMS OF OUR OVERALL STREETS. 
          IS THAT SEMI FAIR? YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. 
          UM, SO I, I WANTED JUST TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS BECAUSE I THINK, UH, UH, THE DATE THE DATA MATTERS AND, AND I THINK ALREADY, AT LEAST AT THE STARTING GATE, WE SEEM TO BE MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVELY LOOKING AT STREETS IN THIS GO AROUND AS WELL, KIND OF TO THE TUNE OF 2021. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S HOPEFUL AS WELL. 
          UM, UH, IF WE HAD TWO YEARS OR TWO, TWO BOMBS IN A ROW, UH, WHERE, WHERE THAT KIND OF THING WOULD GO ON, UM, I WANTED TO JUMP OVER TO, UM, UH, WELL, YOU DON'T NEED TO MOVE TO IT, BUT OPTION ONE, UH, I'M, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS. 
          UM, WE'LL START WITH, UH, WHAT, WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WHICH IS IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO LIGHTEN OUR BUDGET, THAT DOES AT LEAST GIVE US A WAY TO DO IT IN A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO LIGHTEN OUR BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 
          ON THE, ON THE PAYGO SIDE, WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT ACCELERATES HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN GET DONE BECAUSE INSTEAD OF THE PAYGO, WHICH WAS A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS, YOU WOULD HAVE A COUPLE MILLION PLUS ANOTHER COUPLE MILLION. 
          AND SO YOU'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO BOTH REPAIR FULL DEPTH CONCRETE SCENARIOS AS WELL AS HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION TO GO WHICHEVER DIRECTION WE GO AS A COUNCIL, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF THOSE FOUR OTHER OPTIONS. 
          SO FOR ME, I LIKE OPTION ONE FOR THAT REASON BECAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY THERE. 
          UM, AS A FORMER LONG DISTANCE RUNNER, UM, THE GAPS ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. 
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YOU HAD MENTIONED, HOW MANY MILES DID YOU SAY THERE WERE IN GAPS? FOUR AND A HALF MILES? NO, UH, THERE ARE, SORRY, LEMME GET TO THAT SLIDE. 
          43 MILES OF GAPS. 
          OKAY. 
          FOUR AND A HALF IS HOW MANY MILLION WE WERE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING TOWARDS THE GAPS. 
          YES, YES. 
          UM, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN COUNCIL MEMBER INE, BUT, UM, OR WHOEVER IT IS THAT SAID IT, I WOULD SECOND THAT, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THAT, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO KIND OF COME UP WITH AS A COUNCIL, A PECKING ORDER FOR, WHAT DO WE WANNA PRIORITIZE, UM, SOMETHING LIKE WALKWAYS TO GET YOU TO SCHOOL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MIGHT BE A GOOD PRIORITY. 
          A SECOND, AND, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT I WOULD BE VOUCHING FOR, AGAIN, AS THAT SAME RUNNER, IS WHEN A SIDEWALK ENDS AND YOU'RE ON MY STREET, LET'S SAY POND VIEW, IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. 
          'CAUSE IT'S SLOW MOVING TRAFFIC. 
          YOU CAN CROSS OVER TO WHERE THE OTHER SIDEWALK IS AND EVERYTHING'S GOOD. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, LET'S SAY ON ARAPAHOE AND YOU'RE MM-HMM . 
          IN A WHEELCHAIR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU MAY HAVE A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TIME FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET TO A SIDEWALK THAT'S GONNA WORK. 
          AND SO I, I WOULD REALLY LOOK AT THAT AS PERHAPS BEING A SECONDARY, UH, PRIORITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE SIDEWALK GAP SIDE. 
          UM, AND I'D LOVE TO PUT MORE PRESSURE BASED ON WHATEVER THE COUNCIL THINKS AS WELL, ON FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY CLOSE MORE GAPS, UM, VERSUS MAYBE SOME OF THE REPAIR WORK, UH, THE REPAIR WORK, AT LEAST AS NAVIGABLE WHERE THE GAP OFTENTIMES ISN'T. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO STEP OVER A TWO INCH BUMP OVER VERSUS HAVING NO SIDEWALK, TO ME, I'D RATHER HAVE SIDEWALK THAN NOT. 
          UM, UH, THAT'S JUST ONE PERSON'S OPINION. 
          THE LAST THING I WANNA, UM, UH, HIT ON IS, UM, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE HAD MENTIONED THIS AS WELL, BUT, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF STRETCH IT, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE TO WIDEN THOSE SIDEWALKS. 
          AND, AND YOU MENTIONED THE, THE MASTER PLAN, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          SO I'LL, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT CAREFULLY ENOUGH TO KNOW HOW MANY FEET THE SIDEWALKS ARE IN DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          UM, BUT I KNOW WE'VE RUN INTO AT LEAST A CASE OR TWO, UH, WHERE WE'VE SAID, OKAY, WELL, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T NEED TO FIX THE NUMBER OF FEET BECAUSE IT'S SO COST PROHIBITIVE. 
          BONDS MIGHT BE THE, THE PLACE WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY HELP MAKE UP A DIFFERENCE. 
          AND SO, UM, I'D BE VERY KIND OF INCLINED TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE WE CAN BRIDGE THE GAP, UH, TO, TO WHATEVER EXTENT THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, I SEE YOUR LIGHTS BACK ON. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, I AGREE WITH ALL YOUR COMMENTS AROUND THESE SIDEWALKS, UH, AND CREATING THAT PECKING ORDER. 
          I LIKE THAT, UH, THE WAY YOU COMMUNICATED THAT. 
          SO WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT MY QUESTION, AND I, I THINK I HAD SOME, UM, SIM SIMILAR QUESTIONS AROUND BUDGETING THAT MAYOR PRO TEM HAD, BUT POSSIBLY, UM, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          MY CONCERN WITH WHAT I WAS THINKING BEFORE YOU SPOKE WAS THAT I, I TEND TO THINK, OKAY, RELY A LITTLE HEAVIER ON THE BONDS, UM, BECAUSE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE STATE HAS MM-HMM . 
          AND I'M AFRAID THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, PUT MORE OF IT TOWARDS OPERATIONAL, THEN THAT'S GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA GET CUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, ESPECIALLY IF THE NEXT LEGISLATURE DOES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DIDN'T DO THIS YEAR AND THEY WERE TRYING TO PASS AS FAR AS NEW REVENUE AND STUFF, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME REALLY, WHETHER IT'S THIS COUNCIL, THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL, GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME REALLY, REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS. 
          AND SO I AM, I ALMOST SAY LET'S, LET'S PUT MORE OF THAT, UH, FINANCIAL DEPENDENCY UPON THE BOND VERSUS PASSING IT OFF TO A BUDGET THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN. 
          UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO, TO OPTION ONE. 
          UH, I, I, I WOULD BE IN THE ONE 15 MILLION, UH, OPTION, THE BLUE OPTION IN THE MIDDLE, UM, JUST TO BE A LITTLE HEAVIER ON IT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET STUFF DONE, BEING THAT WHILE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY VERSUS PUSHING IT OFF TO, UM, THE NEXT TIME. 
          AND THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT THE STATE IS DOING, AND SOME OF THEIR, IN MY WORDS, OVERREACH TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONTROLS THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, LET'S, LET'S GO A LITTLE HEAVIER ON THAT AND THEN KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT IF THOSE OVERLAYS DO HAPPEN, THAT, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN FUND THOSE IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT I DO AGREE WITH MAYOR PERAM THAT YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS ON THIS. 
          AND, UH, I'M, I'M, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHEN, WHEN THIS DOES 
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COME BACK TO US, KIND OF SHOW US, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO WITH THIS, WHAT, IN AN IDEAL WORLD WHERE WE'RE ALL FULLY FUNDED AND EVERYBODY'S PROJECTS ARE FULLY FUNDED, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS NEW OPERATIONAL? YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS GOING WITH THIS GONNA ADD TO OUR OPERATIONAL COSTS ON A YEARLY BASIS? AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          NOW, ARE WE INCREASING OUR YEARLY BUDGET BY A COUPLE MILLION? IS IT GONNA BE 4 MILLION? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE, UH, CONCRETE NUMBERS, NUMBERS ON THAT. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AINE. 
          AND, AND, UH, AS WE'RE GOING WITH THESE SECOND ROUNDS, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I'D LOVE TO ALSO HEAR IF YOU HAVE AN INCLINATION TOWARDS OPTION ONE OR TWO ONLY JUST FOR FEEDBACK'S SAKE, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED, IT'D BE HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MR. ROMERO. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING HERE ON THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MORE TASK YOU CREATE FOR OUR STAFF, THAT'S GONNA ADD TO THE OPERATION COST MORE. 
          SO THAT MEANS IF YOU CREATE SHORT-TERM SOLUTION, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK MORE OFTEN TO THAT POINT AND SPEND MORE TIME, HIRE MORE PEOPLE. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE OPERATION COST. 
          SO LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS BETTER, WHICH IS IF YOU HAVE 25 YEARS CONCRETE VERSUS 10 YEARS ASPHALT, DEFINITELY IN LONG TERM, I THINK 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY WILL, THE STAFF AND OUR RESIDENTS WILL APPRECIATE THAT WE DID NOT CREATE JOB IN A MORE TASK FOR THEM. 
          SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY, YOU KNOW, UH, POINT TO SU YOU KNOW, SUPPORT WHATEVER OPTION IT COMES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, WE ARE LOOKING AT OPTION ONE, IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WITH THAT THING, I WOULD GO WITH OPTION ONE. 
          UH, SO THAT JUST LOOK LONG DISTANCE FOR THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. 
          THANKS. 
          SO FOR OPTION ONE, THERE'S NO WAY FOR YOU TO TELL US, UM, WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD GO TO WHICH STREETS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT, THAT EXTRA MONEY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING INTO THE BOND PROGRAM VERSUS INTO OUR BUDGET WOULD JUST BE ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS AS IT COMES UP OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          YOU'RE ASKING HOW WE WOULD SPEND THE $2 MILLION, OR YEAH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPTION ONE IS, AND TWO IS HOW MANY STREETS AND ALLEYS ARE, ARE ON THE LIST, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND THE, AND THOSE THAT ARE ON WHICHEVER LIST, THAT'S A COMPLETE REPAIR. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO THE ONLY REASON THERE ARE FEWER STREETS ON OPTION ONE IS BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA TAKE SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS AND HAVE THEM AVAILABLE WHEN WE NEED TO DO THESE SPOT REPAIRS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS ON THESE STREETS, ON THESE STREETS. 
          WE, WE THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH, UM, CERTAINLY WITH THE 25 MILLION, UH, GET THROUGH THESE, THESE STREETS IN THESE AREAS. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH A LITTLE BIT LESS FUNDING, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COVER, COVER THE WHOLE AREA. 
          THESE WOULD BE ALL THE ASPHALT OVERLAY STREETS. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          THESE ARE, UH, CONCRETE PANELS STREETS. 
          AGAIN, WHETHER OR NOT WE GO BACK WITH AN ASPHALT OVERLAY AFTERWARDS IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. 
          SEPARATE QUESTION FOR THAT $2 MILLION THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY FREEING UP, UH, IN THE, UM, STREET REHAB FUND WITH THE PENNY TAX. 
          BUT THE, THE, ALL THE BOND PROGRAM IS CONTEMPLATING IS GOING BACK AND DOING PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON THESE STREETS. 
          WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE SAME EXACT WORK WE WOULD BE DOING WITH THE PENNY TAX MONEY WITH THE THESE BOND DOLLARS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THE, THESE ARE 25 YEAR ELIGIBLE REPAIRS. 
          WE'RE FREEING UP, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY JUST DOING A SWITCHAROO, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING THE WORK THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE WITH THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, UH, DOLLARS AND WE'RE MOVING THAT TO THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          THAT FREES UP THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE DOLLARS, WHICH IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANNA DO ASPHALT OVERLAYS, WE CAN DO THAT WITH THE PEGO DOLLARS. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, FINANCING. 
          IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE FLEXIBLE DOLLARS THAT WAY. 
          BUT THIS, THE WORK WE WOULD DO HERE WOULD JUST BE GOING THROUGH PANEL BY PANEL EVALUATING THE CONDITION, AND IF THERE'S A REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, EITHER A HALF A PANEL OR A WHOLE PANEL WOULD BE REPLACED. 
          AND, BUT CHARLES AND AND THE TEAM HAVE SAID THEY, THEY'VE DONE THE ASSESSMENT OF ALL OF THESE STREETS AND THEY THINK THAT THE TOTAL REPLACEMENT, UM, UM, UM, VALUE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT 20 MILLION TO $25 MILLION. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL FOR CLEARING THAT UP. 
          'CAUSE WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT ABOUT BOTH. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN RIDER. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A DECISION NECESSARILY THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING WITHOUT YOUR STRONG RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I HEARD HESITATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT STRATEGY WOULD WORK. 
          I ALSO APPRECIATE THE CONCERN FOR SURE ON THE BUDGET AND WHETHER WE NEED KNOBS TO TURN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT AS PART OF A HOLISTIC CONVERSATION, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK, WE NEED YOUR, SORT OF, YOUR GOOD ADVICE ON, ON WHICH OPTION YOU THINK MAKES BEST IN THE BROADER OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE PICTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GREAT IF WE CAN DO MORE STREETS AND SORT OF, UH, MAKE THE DOLLAR GO FURTHER. 
          UM, BUT IF THAT'S NOT REALLY WORKABLE, UM, OR IF WE THINK WE'RE JUST SORT OF PUTTING A BANDAID ON A LARGER PROBLEM, 
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UM, AND SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO DO WITH, THEN MAYBE THAT'S NOT, NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          SO YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE WITH, WITH, UM, COUNCILMAN HUTCH ON, ON SEEKING YOUR STRONG RECOMMENDATION FOR OPTION ONE OR TWO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN? YES, THANK YOU. 
          I I JUST WANNA REITERATE THE SAME. 
          I I, I AGREE. 
          I THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU AND THE STAFF WERE, ARE, UH, A LOT FURTHER ALONG ON AND MORE EDUCATED ON THE, IN THESE, IN THIS AREA. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS AS WELL. 
          NOW, THE ONE THING I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I I I, I DO LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE ASPHALT BLACK TOP STREETS. 
          I THINK THAT IS A GOOD DIRECTION FOR THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S INTERNAL IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND OR JUST THE MAIN ARTERIES IN THE BEGINNING. 
          HOWEVER WE PLAY WITH THAT SCENARIO, UH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          I, I DO BELIEVE IN, YOU KNOW, SU SUSTAINING THE, THE, UH, CONCRETE PANEL SUBSTRATES AND MAKING THOSE MINIMAL REPAIRS AND DOING AN OVERLAY AND DO IT AS WE GO ALONG. 
          AND EVENTUALLY ALL THE STREETS WILL BE DONE. 
          THE, I KNOW THE LONGEVITY IS NOT THERE AS MUCH, BUT I THINK THAT THE REPAIRS ARE LESS, AND IT DOES PROVIDE, I KNOW WHAT I CALL MORE ELEVATED APPROACH FOR THE CITY. 
          SO I APPRECIATE, UH, THE FEEDBACK FROM STAFF MAYOR, IF I, IF I MAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. 
          I, I, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. 
          THIS IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. 
          UH, AGAIN, NOT, UH, DON'T, DON'T, UH, WANT EVER TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS AND, AND COME IN WITH A, WITH A STRONG RECOMMENDATION. 
          EVEN WHAT YOU'VE SHARED TONIGHT IS HELPFUL IN HELPING US KIND OF REFINE WHAT WE WOULD WANNA BRING BACK TO YOU. 
          THERE ARE TWO, TWO THINGS I REALLY THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO NOTE. 
          SO, UM, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE IDEA AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, REALLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN NOW MAXIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF STREET WORK, WHETHER IT'S RECONSTRUCTION OR RE OR, OR UM, UH, WHETHER IT'S COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OR OR REPLACEMENT THROUGH THROUGH THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST TO, TO, TO, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW, 'CAUSE THIS IS A CAPACITY QUESTION, RIGHT? UM, IF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE NEXT TERM THAT IMPACT OUR OPERATING BUDGET, THEY'RE GONNA IMPACT OUR DEBT CAPACITY AS WELL, RIGHT? AND SO YOU'RE GONNA NOT ONLY SEE THE OPERATING BUDGET COME UNDER A LOT OF STRESS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE OUR DEBT CAPACITY, UH, SHRINK, UH, AND, AND, AND DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S A TWO AND A HALF OR 1%, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR CAPACITY MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO NOT ONLY WILL WE BE ABLE TO DO LESS ON THE OPERATION SIDE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO LESS ON THE DEBT SIDE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY SCARY. 
          AND I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN DO AN EVENT OR WHETHER WE CAN DO ANYTHING. 
          THIS IS ABOUT CAN WE JUST MAINTAIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? AND THAT'S WHY THE, THE PROPERTY TAX CAP AT JUST A RANDOM RATE, UM, WITHOUT ANY STUDY WORK AROUND THAT IS, IS SCARY. 
          THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON, UM, I, UM, SO IF YOU KIND OF PLAY, PLAY, UH, KIND OF PLAY THIS FORWARD, IF YOU WILL, WITH RESPECT TO THE SIDEWALK GAPS, UM, I THINK IT'S, I I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, PROPOSE IT'S BETTER TO GO OUT TO THE VOTERS WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND NOT TRY TO LOAD UP THE BOND PROGRAM WITH A BUNCH OF PROJECTS. 
          HERE'S WHY. 
          NOT EVEN SURE WHAT YEAR, UH, IN THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          THIS WILL BE A SERIAL SALE OVER FIVE YEARS, NOT EVEN SURE WHAT YEAR THOSE DOLLARS WOULD BE SOLD. 
          FOR INSTANCE, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THROUGH DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, THROUGH MATCHING GRANTS, OUR UNIVERSE OF GAPS COULD BE COM COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE SOONEST, YOU KNOW, SERIES, UH, 28 WOULD BE THE FIRST YEAR OF THIS BOND PROGRAM SALE. 
          AND SO IF IT'S AGREEABLE TO YOU, I 100% AGREE, YOU NEED TO SET THE CRITERIA AND EVEN SELECT THE PRO THE GAP PROJECTS. 
          I JUST KIND OF FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE REALLY PREMATURE TO DO THAT. 
          BECAUSE REMEMBER, IF WE GO OUT WITH SPECIFICS AND WE PUT THAT IN THE LITERATURE AND ALL THAT'S LIKE, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CONTRACT, UM, WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO IT, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE US THE FLEXIBILITY MAYBE TO LEVERAGE A GRANT, UH, THAT, THAT, BECAUSE THAT GRANT'S AVAILABLE FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          AND SO IF YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE AWAY TONIGHT THAT THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA PROCEED. 
          WE'LL HAVE A NUMBER, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO POPULATE THAT NUMBER, UH, TO TIE OFF WITH PROJECTS BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT'S TOO FLUID OF A SITUATION. 
          I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND. 
          SOME OF THOSE GAPS WITH SOME OF THE PERMITS THAT WE ISSUED WITHIN THE LAST MONTH ARE GONNA BE RESOLVED. 
          AND THAT'S JUST GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT, THAT'S HOW WE'LL WE'LL PROCEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SEE A WHOLE LOT OF AGREEMENT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, WE 
          [C. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING CALENDAR]
WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM C, WHICH IS TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING CALENDAR. 
          MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, AMY AND OUR CITY SECRETARY IS GONNA LEAD THIS. 
          THIS IS AN ANNUAL EXERCISE THAT WE GO THROUGH. 
          WE REALLY JUST WANNA CONFIRM WITH YOU, UH, THE RHYTHM OF YOUR MEETINGS FOR THE COMING YEAR. 
          UH, IT DOES CHANGE YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON HOLIDAYS AND SPRING BREAKS. 
          AND SO WE ALWAYS LIKE TO TIE THIS OFF. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ADD OR, OR CHANGE MEETINGS AS LONG AS IT'S DONE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW. 
          BUT WE'D LIKE TO PROJECT THIS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AS WELL AS, UH, UH, TO, UH, TO, TO, UH, OUR RESIDENTS SO THEY KNOW WHEN THEY CAN EXPECT THIS, UH, 
          [01:15:01]
TO BE HERE ON A MONDAY NIGHT. 
          AMY. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. MAGNER. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, I'M GLAD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT YOUR MEETING CALENDAR. 
          PROPOSED MEETING CALENDAR FOR 2026. 
          SO FIRST WE'LL REVIEW THE, UH, SCHEDULING AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND THEN I'LL PRESENT THE DATES. 
          UM, AND THEN ALONG WITH SOME SCHEDULING NOTES, OF COURSE, THIS FALLS UNDER YOUR COUNCIL GOAL TO, UH, WORK TO INCREASE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT. 
          SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE BRING THE PROPOSED COUNCIL MEETING CALENDAR TO YOU EACH YEAR AT THIS TIME OF YEAR SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A SCHEDULE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS AND A WORK PLAN FOR YOU. 
          UM, SO WE CAN INFORM OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COMMUNITY OF COUNCIL MEETING DATES, AND THEN SCHEDULE AROUND HOLIDAYS AND, UH, PROVIDE FOR IMPORTANT BREAKS FOR EVERYONE. 
          SO, COUNCIL MEETINGS, AS YOU KNOW, ARE ON MONDAYS AT 6:00 PM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FIFTH MONDAYS CITY HOLIDAYS AND THE WEEKS OF SPRING BREAK FOR, UH, BOTH RISD AND PISD. 
          ALL MEETINGS ARE HELD AND MAY BE CALLED AT ANY TIME IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY CHARTER AND THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, WHICH NOW REQUIRES THREE BUSINESS DAYS FOR PUBLIC NOTICE. 
          AND SO, UH, JUST TO GO OVER THAT NEW LEGISLATION HOUSE BILL 1522 WAS PASSED AN EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025, AND THAT PROVIDES THAT THE NOTICE MUST BE POSTED THREE BUSINESS DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, WHEREAS BEFORE IT WAS TIED TO THE, THE HOUR OF THE MEETING, 72 HOURS BEFORE. 
          SO IN THE CALCULATIONS, WE HAVE TO POST FOR MONDAY MEETING ON TUESDAY, 'CAUSE MONDAY DOES NOT COUNT AS A BUSINESS DAY. 
          SO WE ARE POSTING FOR NEXT WEEK'S MEETING TOMORROW. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS CLEAR ON THAT. 
          SO FOR THE 2026 SCHEDULE, UM, THERE ARE FIVE, UH, FIFTH, FIFTH MONDAYS FALL IN MARCH, JUNE, AUGUST, AND NOVEMBER THIS YEAR. 
          THE RISD AND PISD HAVE THE SAME SPRING BREAK THIS YEAR, WHICH IS MARCH 16TH THROUGH THE 20TH. 
          SO THERE IS NO MEETING ON MARCH 16TH. 
          A SUMMER BREAK IS PROPOSED FOR JUNE 29TH AND, AND JULY 6TH WITH JULY 4TH, BEING ON A SATURDAY TODAY FALL BREAK IS NOVEMBER 23RD AND THE 30TH THANKSGIVING FALLS ON NOVEMBER 26TH. 
          AND THEN THE WINTER BREAK IS DECEMBER 21ST AND 28TH. 
          YOUR BUDGET WORKSHOP IS PROPOSED FOR AUGUST 3RD AND FOURTH, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY HERE ON THE LEFT, WE'VE GOT ALL THE CITY HOLIDAYS LISTED THAT, UH, CITY HALL IS CLOSED. 
          SO HERE IS A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF THOSE MEETING DATES. 
          THE ONES IN YELLOW ARE THE DATES THAT YOU'LL BE OFF. 
          UM, OF COURSE, KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN IT SAYS WORK SESSION OR REGULAR MEETING, WE CAN CHANGE THOSE AS NEEDED. 
          UM, JUST TO, TO FIT WITH ACTION MEETINGS THAT NEED TO OCCUR. 
          UM, THIS PROVIDES FOR 40 SCHEDULED MEETINGS. 
          AND SOME IMPORTANT DATES TO NOTE ARE FEBRUARY 9TH WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARDS AND RECEPTION. 
          AUGUST 3RD AND FOURTH, AS I MENTIONED, WOULD BE YOUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. 
          AUGUST 17TH, WILL, THE CITY MANAGER WILL PRESENT THE BUDGET. 
          SEPTEMBER 14TH IS BUDGET ADOPTION, AND OCTOBER 26TH IS YOUR CARES RECEPTION. 
          AND NEXT STEPS ARE FREE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO MR. MAGNER BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER 15TH, WE'LL BRING THIS BACK FOR ADOPTION. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL PUBLISH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AND EVERYBODY'S AWARE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. 
          EXCELLENT JOB. 
          THANK YOU, AMY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          [D. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM D, REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. 
          ANYONE DO ANYTHING OR SEE ANYTHING INTERESTING IN THE COMMUNITY? THANKSGIVING? ALRIGHT. 
          UH, VERY WELL. 
          I WILL, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, WE, WE HAD THE GOBBLE HOBBLE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A GREAT THANKSGIVING TRADITION. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAD SOME FOLKS DO, UH, THE WALK. 
          UH, SOME OF US RAN THE 5K WITHOUT TRAINING AND HURT REALLY BAD THE NEXT DAY AND THE NEXT FEW DAYS AFTER THAT. 
          SO, UH, IT'S ALWAYS A REALLY GREAT EVENT AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S TALK OF ADDING ANOTHER ONE NEXT YEAR, HOPEFULLY A SECOND RACE. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, WE USED TO HAVE THREE THAT WE USED TO DO IN SUCCESSIVE MONTHS, SO IT'D BE GREAT TO BRING SOME OF THOSE BACK. 
          SO, UH, GREAT JOB AND, UH, GREAT BENEFIT FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. 
          UH, YES, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I, UM, A COUPLE THINGS. 
          I UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THAT, ALTHOUGH MY SON DID SAY, HE DID TELL ME HE SAW ALL OF YOU AND HE RAN IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND HE WAS PRETTY PROUD OF HIS TIME. 
          UM, BUT I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE. 
          UM, AND MORE TO COME ON THAT LATER, BUT I, THAT WAS THE REASON 
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I MISSED THAT LAST TUESDAY, THE 25TH. 
          UM, I THINK MOST, IF NOT ALL OF US WERE AT THE, UH, SENIOR THANKSGIVING LUNCHEON AT THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          SO I JUST WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT, DON. 
          I KNOW YVONNE OVER AT PARKS AND HER ENTIRE TEAM AND I KNOW MANY OTHERS WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT, BUT ANOTHER GREAT JOB. 
          UM, A LOT OF HAPPY SENIORS IS GREAT TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT WITH THEM, TO HELP AMONG EVERYBODY HERE HELP SERVE, UM, OUR SENIORS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT WAS, THAT'S ALWAYS A GREAT TIME. 
          SO THANK YOU YVONNE AND ENTIRE STAFF AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          I KNOW IT WASN'T JUST YVONNE, BUT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS WERE INVOLVED IN SERVING, SO THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW CHIEF TITTLE WAS THERE, CHIEF PEY WAS THERE, UH, AND MANY OTHERS AS WELL. 
          SO THANK YOU DON, AND YOUR ENTIRE STAFF. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, I KNOW WE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, UH, AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          I THINK CANYON CREEK AND, UH, UH, RICHLAND PARK OR RICHLAND, UH, HIGHLAND PARK AND I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE? RICHLAND. 
          RICHLAND PARK. 
          YEAH, UH, AS WELL. 
          UM, UH, I ALSO GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, UH, SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WITH, UM, UH, VIETNAMESE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, UH, THEY HAD KIND OF A, A THANK YOU AMERICA, UH, EVENT WHERE THEY WERE FOCUSING ON, UH, 50 YEARS OF REFUGEES, UH, THAT HAD BEEN WELCOMED TO THE COUNTRY, UM, UH, SINCE THE WAR. 
          AND, UH, UH, THEY OBVIOUSLY, UH, ALSO, WELL, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T, MAYBE NOT OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEY WERE VERY THANKFUL FOR SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS WE'VE MADE IN OUR, UH, UH, FLAGS AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING RELATED TO, UH, VIETNAM, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS AN INTERESTING SHOUT OUT. 
          BUT ONE THAT, UH, WAS, WAS WELCOME AND WE APPRECIATED THE, UM, THE RECOGNITION. 
          UM, BUT OVERALL JUST AN AMAZING, UH, COUPLE WEEKS AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, AND NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING WILL BE ADJOURNED AT 7:22 PM.
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