Feb 03, 2026 City Planning Commission Meetings

UH, DO YOU HAVE, UM, FOR TRACK C UH, HAVE, HAVE THE, HAS THE APPLICANT GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE LIGHT POLES WOULD BE LOCATED? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE FLAT FAR ENOUGH AND THEY'RE PLANNING, BUT WE CAN ASK THEM TONIGHT.

UM, I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, UH, I DID HAVE A 1 0 1 THE FOUR AGAIN FOR TRACK.

THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S OUR FEELING ABOUT VINYL CHAIN LINK FENCES? I MEAN, THAT'S VERSUS A ORNAMENTAL, UH, STYLE FENCE IS THERE, I MEAN THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING SCREENING IN COMBINATION WITH A FENCE, IT'S TYPICALLY A TUBULAR STEEL FENCE IN OUR CODE.

BUT WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED IS A VINYL LINK CODED FENCE.

BUT IT COULD BE, IT STILL COULD BE ORNAMENTAL.

IT COULD MM-HMM .

YEAH, THEY WANTED TO, TO PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS.

SO, UM, THE, THE, HOW THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE CURRENTLY WRITTEN PROVIDE FOR THE OPTION FOR EITHER A VI A BLACK VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE OR AN ORNAMENTAL TUBULAR STYLE FENCE.

YOU THE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT, UM, AS YOU'VE SEEN WITH THE OTHER SCHOOL SITES, UM, THE VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK FENCING IS SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICAL THAT RSD IS IMPLEMENTED AT THEIR CAMPUSES.

BUT AGAIN, TO ANDREW'S POINT, WE HAVE HAD THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE TUB, UM, THE TUBULAR STEEL FENCE.

UM, AND JUST TO KINDA EXPAND ON WHAT DEREK HAD MENTIONED, SO, UM, IF IT'S BEING USED IN COMBINATION WITH THE LANDSCAPE SCREEN, IDEALLY THE LANDSCAPE SCREEN IS WHAT WE WANT TO GROW AND MATURE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE SOME OF THAT VISUAL SEPARATION.

SO IF THE LANDSCAPE SCREEN IS HEALTHY AND THRIVES AS ANTICIPATED, ESPECIALLY LIKE ALONG THAT NORTH SIDE WHERE THE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEN THE TYPE OF FENCING SHOULD BE LESS OF AN ISSUE, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE PLANT MATERIAL IS GONNA GROW AMONGST WITHIN IT.

AND, UM, I KNOW TRACK C IS IDENTIFIED AS STAFF PARKING IS, ARE THERE OTHER PARTS OF, UM, UM, IS THERE OTHER STAFF PARKING, UH, ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL OR ON THE SCHOOL GROUNDS? YEAH.

IS THERE'S PARKING, UM, LOCATED ON THE WEST AND NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

SO I THINK THEY INTEND TO HAVE, UH, MAKE MORE OF THAT PARKING AVAILABLE FOR VISITORS.

UM, BUT I THINK, UM, PROPORTION OF THAT WILL BE DESIGNATED FOR STAFF.

UM, BUT I THINK THE INTENT IS TO, UM, BECAUSE THE SITE IS SO CONSTRAINED TO, UM, HAVE STAFF PARKING AVAILABLE ON, ON TRACK C.

THAT'S A QUESTION MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO SO THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS WHAT METHODS THEY EMPLOY DURING CONSTRUCTION.

AND, AND JUST, UM, WHAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AS FAR AS THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE, DUST, TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF PLANS ARE IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, AT THE CITY RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF CONTROL THAT AND LESSEN THAT IMPACT?

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COMMISSIONER ROBERTS, I SAW YOU HAD, YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON YOU, YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.

UM, DO YOU KNOW IN THE LIGHTING NOT ONLY THE, UM, 30 FOOT, UM, 20 FOOT PARKING LOT LIGHTING, BUT ALSO THE BASEBALL FIELD LIGHTING, IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF PLAN TO HAVE THAT LIGHT SHIELDED SO THAT IT ONLY SHINES INWARD? OR IS IT, UH, THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED THOSE DETAILS YET? UM, FOR EITHER, EITHER TYPE OF LIGHT, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT TODAY IF THEY'VE EXPLORED THAT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

TO ADD TO THAT, THE CITY DOES HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS RELATED TO GLARE.

UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES THAT, UM, NO USE SHALL PRODUCE INTENSE GLARE OR DIRECT ILLUMINATION ACROSS, UH, THE BOUNDING PROPERTY LINE FROM A VISIBLE SOURCE OF ILLUMINATION.

SO IT'S TO CREATE A NUISANCE OR DETRACT FROM THE USE OF OR ENJOYMENT OF ADJACENT PROPERTY.

UM, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION MADE FOR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FIELDS WHICH ARE OWNED, LEASED, OR OPERATED BY A MUNICIPALITY OR AN ISD.

UM, OTHERWISE THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM INTENSITY OF LIGHT MEASURED AT THE PROPERTY LINE SHALL NOT EXCEED ONE FOOT CANDLE.

SO THIS WOULD FALL INTO THE OWNED BY MUNICIPALITY OR RSD EXCLUSION? YES.

AND ALSO BECAUSE IT'S AN ATHLETIC FIELD.

BUT OTHERWISE THE, THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING WILL, WILL NEED TO COMPLY AND, UM, NOT EXCEED ONE FOOT CANDLE AT THE PROPERTY.

AND I, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A GUEST FROM OUR TRAFFIC AND DEPARTMENT.

UH, DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AT THIS STAGE OR AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED? IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION AS YOUR PREFERENCE, BUT I THINK IF YOU DID ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION, IT MIGHT, UM, ADDRESS SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

UM, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, SO WHY DON'T WE, UH, BRING THE APPLICANT FORWARD AND HEAR FROM THEM.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JAMES S. WATSON, UH, 400 SOUTH GREENVILLE AVENUE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 1.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SEEING US TONIGHT.

THIS IS, UH, NUMBER THREE.

UH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, OUR LAST, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL TRANSFORMATION PROJECT WE'RE GONNA BRING, UH, TO YOU TONIGHT.

SO, UH, TO STAY TRUE TO FORM, WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT WITH US, GLEN PARTNERS IS HERE.

UH, I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO KIND OF JUST JUMP ON INTO THE PRESENTATION, UH, AND GIVE YOU THE REAL CONTEXT, UH, AND SOME MORE DETAIL TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND THEN REALLY SAVE MAYBE THE BEST FOR LAST.

I KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS AND SO I THINK THE Q AND A WOULD FLOW BETTER, BUT, UH, AFTER YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE, UH, WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO PRESENT.

SO IF I MAY, THANK YOU JAMES.

UH, GREG ESTES, UH, 2118 ARNOLD PLACE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

UM, SO AS JAMES WAS MENTIONING, UM, I'M REPRESENTING GLEN PARTNERS.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE ISAIAH SIGAL, UM, WITH US THAT'S PART OF THE ARCHITECTURE TEAM.

SO WE'VE HAD A QUICK, UH, KIND OF AGENDA HERE TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH SOME OF THESE PIECES.

UM, I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF INTRODUCED OURSELVES.

UM, SO WE, ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, WE START WITH PROJECT GOALS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WORK WITH THE DISTRICT ON, AND WE ALSO HAVE VISIONING SESSIONS.

UM, SO WE MET WITH TEACHERS AND STUDENTS, UM, AND CAME UP WITH SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

SO NUMBER ONE WAS TO RESOLVE THE VEHICULAR CONGESTION.

UM, I THINK DE KIND OF MENTIONED THAT THAT CORNER, THAT NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE CURRENT SITE IS VERY CONGESTED.

UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF QUEUING LENGTH ON THAT SIDE.

UM, NUMBER TWO, TO OPEN AND CELEBRATE THE MAIN ENTRY POINT FOR THE STAFF AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY COMMUNITY.

NUMBER THREE, EXCITING EDUCATION SPACES TO KIND OF SHOWCASE THESE MAGNET PROGRAMS. SO WEST IS ONE OF THE CELEBRATED MIDDLE SCHOOLS WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AND THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG MAGNET PROGRAM, SO WE WANTED TO KINDA CELEBRATE THOSE WITHIN THE SPACE.

UM, NUMBER FOUR, TO OPTIMIZE AND COLLABORATIVE FLEXIBLE LEARNING.

SO THROUGHOUT THE PLAN YOU'LL SEE SOME COLLABORATIVE SPACES, UM, BUILT INTO IT AND THEN AMPLIFY THE SCHOOL SPIRIT AND STRENGTHEN THE IDENTITY OF THE CAMPUS.

UM, SO THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN AS IT IS TODAY.

UM, LIKE I SAID, DERRICK KIND OF MENTIONED THAT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER, UM, IS PRETTY CONGESTED RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF QUEUING AND A LOT OF, UH, THE MAIN ENTRY AND EVERYTHING'S KIND OF IN THAT CORNER.

SO WITH THE NEW SITE PLAN, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE FLIPPED IT.

UM, WE'VE PUT IN A DEDICATED LANE THAT'S ON CAMPUS, UM, DUE KIND OF SUPPORT THAT QUEUING LENGTH AND GET TRAFFIC OFF OF,

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UM, I BELIEVE DEREK HAS REALLY KIND OF WALKED THROUGH A LOT OF THESE POINTS, BUT, UM, MAIN ENTRIES TO THE NORTH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE SECONDARY ENTRANCES ON THE WEST.

UM, THAT NUMBER THREE KIND OF DOWN TO THE, THE WEST, UH, THE SOUTHWEST, UM, THAT'S THE ATHLETIC ENTRY, SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD ENTER IN FOR THE COMPETITION GYM.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER DEDICATED LANE ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, REALLY FOR SERVICE AND BUSES.

UM, SO THESE WERE A COUPLE STUDIES THAT WE DID JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND SCALE.

SO, UM, WE'RE APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET AWAY FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSES.

UM, THERE'S ALSO A LARGE WATER TOWER, UM, THAT KIND OF, UM, PUT, PUTS SOME SCALE TO THIS, THIS SIDE AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN ON THE DOGWOOD SIDE, WE'RE APPROXIMATELY 170 FEET, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSES.

SO LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, NORTH BEING, UH, THAT MAIN ENTRY PIECE.

SO YOU COME INTO A SECURE VESTIBULE.

UM, THE MAIN SPACE IS THAT CAFETERIA AND IT'S A VERY CELEBRATED SPACE, UM, MEANT TO BE FOR, UM, COLLABORATION CAFETERIA.

C SO IT'S GOT A STAGE COMPONENT CONNECTED TO IT.

UM, BUT REALLY KIND OF THE GIST OF IT IS KIND OF BUILT IN THE HEART OF THIS, THIS BUILDING, UM, AND KIND OF REALLY CELEBRATE THAT AS YOU MOVE SOUTH ON THE PLAN.

UM, THERE'S A BAR OF PERFORMING ARTS.

UM, AND THEN THAT BAR, SOUTH BAR OF THE BLUE, UM, THAT'S ALL THE ATHLETICS.

SO WE KIND OF PUSHED THAT TOWARDS THE SOUTH, UM, KIND OF WHERE THE CURRENT ATHLETICS ARE ON CAMPUS, UM, MOVING UP TO LEVEL TWO.

UM, SO THAT CENTRAL SPACE, THAT CAFETERIA IS A LARGE VOLUME SPACE THAT CONNECTS VERTICALLY A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS. UM, THE MEDIA CENTER IS ON LEVEL TWO OF THIS BUILDING.

UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE SURROUNDING, UM, CTE AND MAGNET PROGRAMS, UH, ARE PLACED ON LEVEL TWO.

SO YOU'VE GOT A STUDIO AND THE EDITING ROOM, UM, FROM SOME BROADCASTING THAT THEY DO WITHIN THE MAGNET PROGRAM.

UH, AND THEN LASTLY ON THE THIRD FLOOR, UM, YOU STILL GET THAT CELEBRATED KIND OF CENTRAL SPACE.

UM, WE'VE GOT SOME MORE CLASSROOM SPACES AND CTE SPACES, SO WE'RE KIND OF CELEBRATING, UH, ROBOTICS IN THE COMMUTER, UH, COMPUTER LAB, UM, ALONG WITH SOME SCIENCE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ON, UH, THE THIRD FLOOR.

SO EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR RENDERING.

UM, THIS IS A RENDERING OF, UM, AN AERIAL VIEW, KIND OF SHOWING THE CONTEXT OF HOW IT WOULD FIT IN THERE AND HOW WE'RE FLIPPING THE SIDE WITH THE NEW BASEBALL FIELD, UM, TO THE EAST.

UM, SO NEW KIND OF CELEBRATED ENTRY.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF FOCUSED ON WITH THE DISTRICT AND WE HEARD BACK FROM STUDENTS AND TEACHERS WHEN WE HAD OUR, UH, MEETING WITH THEM IS HOW CAN WE KINDA CELEBRATE THE INTERNAL, UM, SPACES OF, OF WEST FROM THE EXTERIOR.

UM, YOU START TO SEE A LOT OF CONTEXTUAL MATERIALS.

SO ON RICHARD RICHARDSON HIGH, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RED BRICK MASONRY, UM, THAT'S IN A BLEND, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF CASTSTONE.

UM, SO WE'RE INTRODUCING THOSE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONTEXTUAL TO, UH, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE ALREADY ON SITE AND ON CAMPUS.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE WEST FACADE, SO TRYING TO KEEP IT VERY MINIMAL ON THIS SIDE.

TRYING TO RESPECT THE, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THIS COMPONENT.

UM, BUT JUST KIND OF USING A RHYTHM OF PUNCH OPENINGS AND SOME CELEBRATED SPOTS WHERE, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME OUTDOOR TERRACES, UM, FOR THE STUDENTS ON LEVEL THREE.

UM, SO THIS IS THAT BIG CENTRAL SPACE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AS FAR AS THE CATOR, UM, YOU GET THE GLIMPSES OF ALL THE PROGRAMS WITHIN THE MAGNET.

UM, SO ON THAT FAR BACK IS THERE'S THEATER COMPONENT.

UM, BEHIND THE STAIRS THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE IMAGE IS CULINARY.

UM, AND THEN BEHIND YOU TO YOUR BACK IS ROBOTICS AND, UM, THE DIGITAL COMMUNICATION.

UM, SO REALLY A NICE KIND OF CELEBRATED PIECE.

AND FROM THE EXTERIOR, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN EXPERIENCE THAT AS YOU COME IN AND KIND OF SEE THE NEW HEART OF THIS BUILDING.

UM, THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THAT MAIN ENTRY.

SO, UM, YOU SEE THE COMMUNICATIONS ON THE RIGHT AND THEN ROBOTICS WAS ON, UM, THE TOP RIGHT.

UM, AND THEN THE LIBRARY IS ON THE LEFT OF YOU AND THERE'S THIS BRIDGE IN BETWEEN THIS KIND OF CENTRAL SPACE.

UM, AND, AND YOU START TO SEE THE, THE VOLUME OF WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING THE 60 FOOT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT MAXING OUT AT 60 FOOT, THAT WAS JUST TO GIVE US SOME EXTRA WIGGLE ROOM FOR PARAPETS AND STUFF.

BUT A LOT OF THAT'S ALLOWING US TO GET NATURAL DAYLIGHT, UM, INTO THE HEART OF THIS BUILDING.

SO AS WE KIND OF EXTRUDED A BOX, UM, IT GETS A LOT OF LANDLOCKED PIECES.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO OPEN THAT ROOF UP AND GET DAYLIGHT DOWN INTO THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THIS BUILDING.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WERE REQUESTING, UM, THE HEIGHT OF 60 FEET.

UM, LOOKING AT THE LIBRARY, SO THIS IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SO NEW LIBRARY SPACE, UM, FLEXIBLE OPEN SPACE.

AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW FROM LEVEL THREE.

UM, SO THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT ONE OF THE ACADEMIC CORRIDORS AND HOW WE'RE INTEGRATING SOME OF THE, UM, EXTERIOR TERRACES, UM, AND NATURAL DAY

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LIGHTING AND VIEWS INTO THIS SCHOOL.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, PROJECT AND SCHEDULE.

SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF CDS, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

UM, SO, UM, DEREK WAS CORRECT.

WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THE, UM, SITE LIGHTING OVER THERE ON THAT PARKING TRACK.

UM, BUT KINDA LIKE WHAT THEY'VE MENTIONED, UM, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, UM, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUE UH, QUESTION COMMISSIONER, UM, WE DO INTEND TO PUT SOME, UM, CONSTRAINTS ON THOSE FIXTURE HEADS SO THAT THE LIGHT IS PUSHED DOWN.

UM, THE SAME THING WILL GO FOR THE, THE BASEBALL FIELD LIGHTING.

UM, WE WORKED A LOT, UH, WE WORKED ON JJ PIERCE, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE WE'VE INTRODUCED NEW BASEBALL LIGHTING AND SOFTBALL LIGHTING.

UM, SO WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THOSE CONSTRAINTS OF HOW TO GET ONE FOOT CANDLE TO, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN PUT DEFLECTORS AND THINGS ON THOSE, UH, LIGHT HEADS.

SO AS WE GET FURTHER INTO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, WORK TOWARDS.

UM, SO, UM, NEXT KINDA MILESTONE FOR US IS CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UM, WRAPPING UP THIS SUMMER WITH CONSTRUCTION STARTING, UM, AT THE END OF THIS SCHOOL YEAR.

ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, UH, BASEBALL, UM, ACTIVITIES, GAMES DURING CONSTRUCTION? WE'RE WORKING ON A COUPLE OF POSSIBILITIES WITH OUR CENTRAL ATHLETICS.

SO WE ARE STILL DEVELOPING WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE, UH, IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR HIGH SCHOOL, OUR BASEBALL TEAM, UM, AND OUR OUTSIDE PARTNERS RIGHT NOW, WE CANNOT PROVIDE ANY DEFINITIVE PLANS AS THEY'RE STILL DEVELOPING, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT, UM, AS WE SPEAK.

AND, UH, JUST TO ADDRESS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, STEPS THAT WILL BE TAKEN TO MINI MINIMIZE ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION.

UM, YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, WE, WE, WE, WE CAN, WHEN WE DEVELOP PLANS, UH, WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, UH, WE DID NOT BRING THEM WITH US, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO, TO SHARE THOSE.

BUT WE WILL, UH, OBVIOUSLY GO BY ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE, TAKE, UH, THE CARE THAT'S NECESSARY AS WE DID WITH THE DEMOLITION OF LAKE HIGHLANDS JUNIOR HIGH WHEN WE REBUILT LAKE HIGHLANDS MIDDLE SCHOOL IN 2024.

SO I THINK, UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T FULLY DEVELOPED THAT, BUT WE WOULD DO THAT IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM, UH, THAT'S ON BOARD NOW.

UH, AND WE'D BE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO, UH, SHARE THOSE DETAILS, UM, AS WE FINALIZE THOSE.

BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE SAME CARE, UH, THAT WE WOULD TAKE, UH, AND THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WE WOULD FOLLOW, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, AND ON THE, UH, PLANS, YOU, YOU'VE HAD KIND OF A LARGE, LIKE FLOOR TO ROOFTOP, UH, WINDOW, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE.

IS THAT, IS THAT ANOTHER ENTRY OR IS THAT JUST, UH, FOR, TO ALLOW LIGHT INTO TO THE BUILDING? DO YOU, THAT'S PRIMARILY FOR DAY LIGHTING, CORRECT? YEAH, UH, I BELIEVE IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOGWOOD SIDE? YEAH.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? UH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

THAT IS ANOTHER ENTRY RIGHT UP ABOVE, YEAH, THAT LARGE WINDOW GLASS AREA THERE ON LEVEL ONE, THERE ARE A SET OF DOORS.

IT WOULD NOT BE AN ENTRY, IT'S MORE OF AN EGRESS, UM, FOR GETTING OUT OF THE BUILDING FOR FIRE.

UM, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONTROLLED.

AND THEN THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR FOR THE, THE DAY LIGHTING.

UH, AND, AND HOW ABOUT THE, UH, MY QUESTION ABOUT STAFF AND VISITOR PARKING, UH, ON THIS SITE VERSUS THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH I THINK IS ALL STAFF? RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND, AND I THINK IT SHOWS UP A LITTLE MORE DISTINCTLY ON THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT MIGHT BE IN THE EXHIBIT OF THAT TMP.

UH, BUT YOU SEE THE CARS REFLECTED ALONG THE, THE WEST SIDE ON ALONG DOGWOOD AND, AND THE NORTH ALONG HOLLY.

SO THERE ARE STAFF AND VISITOR PARKING ON OUR SITE, UH, ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.

UH, AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL SPACES WE CAN CAPTURE ON THE NORTH LOT, UH, WE THINK WILL HELP WITH STAFF VISITORS, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS WELL.

JUST REALLY TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE AVAILABLE PARKING SO THAT WE CAN MINIMIZE, UH, THE STREET PARKING IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

THAT'S THE SPIRIT OR INTENT BEHIND IT.

CERTAINLY.

AND DO YOU THINK ALL OF THE STAFF AND VISITORS CAN USE THE, THE PARKING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AND ACROSS, UH, HOLLY, OR IS, ARE THEY GONNA BE LOOK, LOOKING TO OTHER PARTS? PARKING LOTS FURTHER SOUTH BY THE FOOTBALL STADIUM? CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE STAFF.

UM, BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S A LARGE, LARGE EVENT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE GOING ON, IT'S, I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE EVERY VEHICLE THAT MAY PULL IN.

VISITORS, YOU KNOW, WILL EBB AND FLOW BASED ON, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S AN EVENT.

UM, BUT IF IT'S YOUR NORMAL DAILY VISITORS COMING IN AND OUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING SHOULD SUFFICE.

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SO, UH, THAT MAY BE PROBLEMATIC.

AND, AND YOU'VE GOT PEDESTRIAN LINKAGES TO THE, THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE FOOTBALL STADIUM, RIGHT? TO THE, TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SIDEWALKS AND, AND THINGS.

YEAH, YEAH.

YES, YES.

I'M, UH, AND AS FAR AS LIKE FOR THE BASEBALL GAMES, UH, PUBLIC PARKING AS WHERE, WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT OCCURRING SO THAT, THAT LOT TO THE SOUTH THERE? SO THERE'S THE LOT TO THE SOUTH, UM, JUST ABOVE NORTH OF THE MAC.

UM, TECHNICALLY YOU COULD PARK TO THE WEST OF THE STADIUM, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE 1 44, UH, CERTAINLY YOU COULD PARK AROUND WEST, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, ALONG DOGWOOD AND HOLLY, AND THEN OF COURSE THE LOT UP NORTH ON TRACK C WE WOULD ASSUME THOSE WOULD ALL BE AVAILABLE, UM, PARKING SPOTS FOR VISITORS, WHETHER IT BE A GAME, OPEN HOUSE AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF EVENTS.

AND, AND, UH, MAYBE COULD YOU JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, THE ORIENTATION OF THE, THE BASEBALL DIAMOND WHERE THE D UH, YOU KNOW, THE GRANDSTAND, IF YOU WILL, IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER VERSUS I THINK TODAY IT'S AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

YES, SIR.

IT IS KIND OF, NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THE OUTFIELD, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU, YOU FLIPPED THEM A LITTLE BIT AND YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS WERE GOING AROUND.

WE, WE MET WITH OUR, OUR COACHING STAFF ON SITE, OUR HIGH SCHOOL, OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND, AND OUR CENTRAL ATHLETICS TEAM.

SO COLLABORATED WITH EVERYONE, AND REALLY THERE WERE JUST SEVERAL THINGS TOSSED AROUND WHERE WE LANDED HERE.

UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, IT WAS DUE TO WEST FACING, SO, OR EAST FACING RATHER, WHEN YOU'RE ON HOME PLATE AND YOU'RE LOOKING EAST, IF YOU WILL, UH, A LOT OF EVENING GAMES, AFTERNOON GAMES, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE WHERE YOU'RE FACING WEST WHERE THE SUN IS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ORIENTATION.

SO THEY LOCKED THAT DIRECTION.

THEY LOCKED WHERE THE BATTER IS, IS SORT OF FACING EAST, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE AFTERNOON OR EVENING, UH, TYPE GAMES, THE, UH, FROM MOVING FROM NORTH, UH, EAST NORTHWEST RATHER TO SOUTHWEST AS IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN.

I THINK THE THINKING THERE WAS PRIMARILY ABOUT THINGS LIKE SOFTBALL OR A FOUL BALLS RATHER.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOUL BALLS, OF COURSE EVERYTHING'S GONNA HAVE NETTING CLEARLY, BUT IN THE DIRECTION OF THE SCHOOL WAS A LITTLE MAYBE SAFER OF A, OF AN ORIENTATION IN LIEU OF MAYBE GOING OUT INTO HOLLY, IF YOU WILL, IF IT WERE ON THAT NORTH, UH, WEST CORNER STILL.

UH, AND THEN OF COURSE THE OUTFIELD WILL ALSO SIMILARLY HAVE, UH, EXTENDED NETTING, UH, FOR HOME RUN BALLS.

UM, AND I DON'T MEAN A A JOKE BY THIS, BUT I THINK THE, THE COMMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT MORE FOUL BALL FREQUENCY THAN WE MIGHT HOME RUN BALL FREQUENCY.

AND SO I THINK THAT HAD SOME PLAY INTO IT.

UH, YOU KNOW, JUST KNOWING THAT, AND MAYBE THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER BEING A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE OF AN OPTIMAL SPOT THAN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, IF YOU WILL, AS FAR AS HOME BASE.

MM-HMM .

SO SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD AND, AND I THINK WE LANDED ON THIS WITH BOTH THE RHS, UH, BASEBALL STAFF AND OUR CENTRAL ATHLETIC STAFF, UH, FOR SOME OF THOSE REASONS.

GONNA HAVE MORE PARKING BOTH ON SITE INTO THE NEW PARKING LOT THAN EXISTS ON SITE TODAY.

AND, AND I, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, UH, MAYBE A MORE DRAMATIC SORT OF DRIVE UP APPEAL OFF OF MIMOSA THAN YOU DO HOLLY, UH, FOR YOUR MAIN ENTRY, UH, OR EXPOSURE TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU KNOW, UH, OBVIOUSLY MIMOSA GETS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN MM-HMM .

THAN HOLLY IS OUT OF ANY CONCERN THAT YOU'RE, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE DONE A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT BEING ORIENTED TO THE NORTH LIKE THAT, IT JUST WON'T, THE PUBLIC WON'T GENERALLY SEE IT AS MUCH.

SURE.

UNLESS THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO THE SCHOOL.

I, I DON'T THINK WE WERE, WE WERE CONCERNED AS MUCH FROM, FROM JUST NOT HAVING QUITE THE EXPOSURE.

I DO THINK, AND I THINK DEREK ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER, I DO THINK HAVING THOSE DRIVEWAYS AND, AND THE MAIN ENTRY OFF THE CORNER OF HOLLY AND MIMOSA, UH, IS, IS A BENEFIT, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT CONGESTED WITH, WITH ALREADY SIGHT LINES BEING A LITTLE OFF ALREADY IN, IN THOSE THINGS.

SO, UH, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED FROM JUST BEING AWAY FROM THE ROAD OR THE MAIN INTERSECTION, IF YOU WILL, UM, UH, IN TERMS OF THE MAIN ENTRY.

UM, BUT THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS BEING IMPROVEMENTS OR WE THINK THEY'RE IMPROVEMENTS TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, UH, CERTAINLY OUTWEIGH, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THAT FORWARD FACING FRONT ENTRY, MR. ROBERTS.

SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THE PRESENTATION, SEVERAL OF THE PRESENTATIONS, THE, UH, EFFORT WAS TO MOVE TRAFFIC OFF THE STREETS.

YES, SIR.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE A NET COUNT OF SPACES, PARKING SPACES GAINED? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE

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YES, SIR.

I WANNA SAY THE NET IS 46.

IS IT? STATE UP THERE IS 38.

38.

I'M SORRY.

UH, IT IS UP THERE.

OH, 38, I'M SORRY.

YEAH, ESTIMATED NEW PARKING.

UH, SO THE NET ADD TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY, THE NET ADD IS 38 NEW PARKING SPACES, UH, IN ADDITION TO MORE QUEUING OR ONSITE DRIVES AS YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE ABILITY TO GET OFF STREET AND ONTO, UM, THE DRIVES, UM, AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

IF I RECALL FROM, UH, ONE AND TWO, DON'T SCHOOLS BY RIGHT.

HAVE A, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN RECONSTRUCT AND ALL OF THAT, SO LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN THE EXISTING CODES, IT'S JUST THE HEIGHTS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HERE.

THE HEIGHT OF THE LIGHTING STANDARDS AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS WHY WE'RE DOING THE PD.

THE SCHOOL USE IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT ON THEIR PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE TRACK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HOLLY DRIVE.

GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE, THEY ARE NEEDING RELIEF FROM OUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

SO THINGS LIKE THE BUILDING HEIGHT AS YOU ACKNOWLEDGED, UM, THE LIGHT STANDARD HEIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE ATHLETIC FACILITY LIGHTING, UM, MINIMUM SEPARATION DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR, UM, UH, BUILDINGS OF THIS SIZE FROM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, RELIEF FROM OUR ONE STORY HEIGHT REQUIREMENT OF 25 FEET IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE COMPETITION GYMS. SO A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND IKA DID A GREAT JOB OF, OF WALKING THE COMMISSION THROUGH THOSE AREAS OF WHERE THEY'RE SEEKING THE ZONING RELIEF, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE NEEDING IS RELIEF TO THOSE STANDARDS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW SCHOOL IN THE MANNER AS PROPOSED.

OF IT IN SHORT IS TO REALLY, UH, IMPROVE OR INCREASE RATHER THE SPACE ON SITE AND, AND TRY TO ENCOURAGE, UH, LESS USE OF THE CITY STREETS, UM, IF, IF POSSIBLE.

UH, SO I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT.

UM, SO MAYBE IF YOU CAN DESCRIBE FOR US WHAT, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE TODAY ALONG MIMOSA AND HOLLY WITH THE EXISTING MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HOW THIS WILL IMPROVE IT, THIS PLAN? YEAH.

AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, AGAIN, LIMITED, LET ME BACK UP ONE IF I MAY.

SO LIMITED ABILITY TO QUEUE CERTAINLY ON THE, THE NORTH LANE, UH, AT HOLLY AND, UH, THE EAST LANE, UH, DRIVE LANE, UH, ALONG MIMOSA, UM, WHICH THEN I THINK, UM, ENCOURAGES CARS TO PARK, PARK ALONG HOLLY, UH, OR OTHER STREETS ADJACENT, UH, WHETHER IT BE TO PARK TO STAY OUT OF THE FLOW AND TO COME IN OR TO HAVE THEIR KIDS MAYBE WALK, UH, TO WHERE THEY'RE AT, UH, SORT OF THINGS.

SO, UM, WHAT WE ATTEMPT TO DO IN THIS VERSION, UH, IS TO HELP, UH, A COUPLE OF WAYS.

IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN REFLECTS IT A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IS TO, TO BRING THE ENTRY INTO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL NOW SOUTH OF THE MAC, WHICH AGAIN, THE MAC THE BUILDING KIND OF BOTTOM RIGHT.

UM, YOU DON'T SEE THE DRIVE ON THIS PARTICULAR IMAGE, UM, AND BRING THEM AROUND THE MAC AND UP NORTH TO EXTEND THE QUEING LANE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET CARS OFF OF THE STREET, WHETHER IT'S HAWLEY AND OR MIMOSA, UH, ONTO OUR INTERNAL DRIVES, UH, TO ALLOW ENOUGH SPACE TO GO UP AND WRAP AROUND THE, TO THE NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL ENTRY, UH, ALL IN AN EFFORT TO NOT HAVE TO, UH, ENCOURAGE THOSE TO, TO, TO PARK ON THE STREET.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IS NO QUEUING SPACE.

UM, THEY SEPARATED THE BUS LANE AS WELL.

UH, CURRENTLY THE, THE BUS LANE, UH, AND THE PARENT DROP OFF, I BELIEVE BOTH OCCUR, UH, LARGELY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CURRENT BUILDING, UH, WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SEPARATE, SO THE DRIVE IN BETWEEN THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, FOR BUSES SORT OF SEPARATING THEM FROM THE PARENT, UH, QUEUING LANE.

UH, THAT'S THE OTHER BENEFIT AS WELL, UH, JUST TO RELIEVE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION AND, UH, IMPROVE THE SAFETY THERE A LITTLE BIT, UH, TO, THIS IS A SINGLE STACKING QUEUING OPTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH I THINK IS, IS BENEFICIAL, IMPROVE SAFETY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOUR DOUBLE STACKING QUEUING OPTIONS.

UH, SO, SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE REALLY DISCUSSED AND, AND EVALUATED AND, AND REALLY PLAY INTO, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT.

UM, THAT, THAT THE, THE SPIRIT

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SO, MR. WATSON, MY APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTING.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, WITH THE CLICKER, GO BACKWARDS AND GET TO THAT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN SLIDE.

AM I GOING THE RIGHT WAY? YES.

IS THE OKAY.

THE OTHER DIRECTION I NEED TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.

THE OTHER, OH, SORRY, THE OTHER WAY, I'M SORRY.

BACK TOWARDS OUR PRESENTATION.

SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD YOUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE INCLUDED, IF YOU NEED THAT FOR REFERENCE.

UH, YES.

THIS PROBABLY THE BEST REPRESENTATION HERE.

IS THERE A DIFFERENT ONE? THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST ONE.

UM, SO AGAIN, AGAIN, JUST TALKING ABOUT, AND DEREK DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING DRIVE A AT THE BOTTOM, UH, RIGHT.

UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ALLOWING AND, AND, AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED ALSO IS THAT RELIEVES THAT MIMOSA AND HOLLY RELIEVES A LOT OF THE CONGESTION THERE.

IF INDEED OUR PARENTS COME ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH OF THE MAC WHERE THAT INTERSECTION DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH CONGESTION AND ENTER OUR SITE AT DRIVE A AND COME ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE MAC.

AND, AND THEN AROUND ULTIMATELY TO THE NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL ENTRY, UH, IN A SINGLE Q FASHION.

UH, WE, WE BELIEVE IT'S TWOFOLD.

IT ALLOWS A SPOT TO, TO GET OFF OF EITHER HOLLY OR MIMOSA.

UM, AND AT THE HOLLY, UH, MIMOSA INTERSECTION, UH, PRESUMABLY, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT HELP WITH LINE OF SIGHT AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AS CARS ARE STACKED INTERNALLY, UH, MAYBE THAT DOESN'T BECOME AS, AS AS, UH, TROUBLESOME OF AN INTERSECTION.

THAT'S CERTAINLY THE SPIRIT OR INTENT ANYWAY.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE THINKING, UH, ONCE THEY EXIT DRIVE B, UM, THE PARENTS DROPPING OFF THAT THEY'RE PRIMARILY GONNA GO EASTBOUND TO MIMOSA OR ARE THEY GONNA GO WEST AND THEN GO SOUTH ON DOGWOOD OR THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST? YEAH, I THINK WE, WE CERTAINLY WANTED THE OPTION TO GO EITHER WAY, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO OVERLOAD ONE PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.

SO IF EVERYBODY WERE TO GO RIGHT AT HOLLY OR AT A DRIVE B, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THEY WOULD BE RIGHT BACK AT THE HOLLY MIMOSA INTERSECTION.

MM-HMM .

UH, AND THAT MAY AGAIN JUST, UM, CAUSE MORE, MORE CONGESTION THERE OR ISSUES, UH, AS WELL.

UM, SO ALLOWING THE LEFT, UH, SHOULD, UH, THEN RELIEVE SOME OF, OF WHO MAY GO RIGHT.

BUT YES, THEY'LL, ONCE THEY GO LEFT, UH, THEY'LL, UH, OUTTA DRIVE B THEY COULD EITHER GO LEFT ON DOGWOOD OR STRAIGHT OUT TO, I BELIEVE THEY'LL HIT, UM, COURT ROAD IF THEY KEEP ON GOING PAST THE PROMENADE AND ALL THAT.

ARE AT CAPACITY DURING A PARTICULAR PEAK 15 MINUTE PERIOD AND ONLY ON THE DIRECTION WHERE THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC IS EXITING.

UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF ON THIS? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF THE EXISTING ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

SO CURRENTLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO TO THE EXISTING MAP YES, SIR.

BUT THE INTERSECTION AT HOLLY AND MIMOSA, THEY CONDUCTED THE CONSULTANT THAT WORKED ON ANALYSIS, CONDUCTED FIELD VISITS AND OBSERVATIONS, AND THEY NOT ONLY FOUND A LOT OF CARS STACKING OUT OF THAT DROP OFF DRIVEWAY, BUT THEN LINING NORTH THROUGH THE INTERSECTION OF MIMOSA AND HOLLY AND THERE WERE A GOOD 12 TO 13 STACKED VEHICLES IN THE MORNING DROP OFF.

SAME SITUATION ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL ON MIMOSA IN THE DROPPING.

SO THAT INTERSECTION PARTICULARLY HAD TOO MANY CONFLICT MOVEMENTS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE CURRENTLY HAPPENING.

AND WITH THIS NEW PLAN, THAT ENTIRE CONFLICT HAS BEEN MOVED ALL THE WAY TO THE MIDDLE OF THAT ENTIRE BLOCK OF MIMOSA BETWEEN HOLLY AND BELTLINE.

SO THAT, THAT WAS THE PRIMARY REASON THAT WE REALLY WORKED WITH RISD TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE WANNA MOVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAPPENING ON OUR ROADWAYS WHERE KIDS ARE CROSSING, WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, OTHER ACTIVITIES HAPPENING, PEOPLE, UM, DRIVING TO WORK AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO WE WANTED TO MOVE ALL OF THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC ON SITE AND THAT WAS, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WILL BE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED ONCE THE DROP OFF WE GOT MOVES OFF OF THAT MAIN POINT OR THE MAIN DROP OFF AREA.

AND, AND IN, IN LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IT LOOKED LIKE GENERALLY THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE STUDIED, UM, ARE ALL OPERATING ADEQUATELY TODAY, CORRECT? YES, THEY, UM, THEY

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UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ON SOUTHBOUND ON DOGWOOD AND SOUTHBOUND ON MIMOSA, OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN TRAFFIC ON BELT LINE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE NOT REALLY, UM, PROVIDING A WHOLE LOT OF TI TIME FOR THAT TRAFFIC TO CLEAR.

SO THAT IS A, RESULTING IN A LITTLE BIT ADDED DELAY, BUT IT IS NOT, UM, CONSIDERABLE DELAY, UH, COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT INTERSECTION IS ACTUALLY, UH, PROCESSING.

SO, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE SOUTHBOUND UH, BELT LINE AT DOGWOOD? CORRECT.

UH, AT, AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF E CORRECT.

THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE OF E IS ONLY FOR THE APPROACH.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT, IT SAYS THAT PARTICULAR APPROACH NORTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND APPROACHES ARE FUNCTIONING AT LEVEL OF SERVICE E BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EAST AND WEST, THEY'RE FUNCTIONING ACCEPTABLE.

AND BELT LINE CARRIES A WHOLE LOT OF MORE TRAFFIC AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT SLOW DOWN BELT LINE.

WAS THERE ANY, UM, WAS THERE ANY REASON WHY THERE THEY DON'T HAVE A PREDICTIVE, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE STUDY.

WHEN YOU SAY, OR DID I JUST MISS IT WHEN YOU SAY PREDICTIVE LEVEL OF SERVICE, MEANING IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? LIKE THEY, THEY MEASURED THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TODAY, EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT IN THE FUTURE, YES.

I THINK IF YOU GO TO TRAFFIC SETTING TABLE SIX, IT DOES HAVE BACKGROUND PLUS DEVELOPMENT, UHHUH LEVEL OF SERVICE SUMMARY.

THE PREDICTIVE IS PLUS DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

IT'S IN THE FUTURE.

SO WE NOT ONLY, OKAY, I I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PART OF OUR PACKET.

THE FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS NOT PART OF YOUR PACKET.

ONLY THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS OVER A HUNDRED PAGES.

SO WE ONLY PROVIDED THE SUMMARY OF THOSE FINDINGS.

AND, AND SO WHAT WERE THE FINDINGS? DID IT CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY, DID NOT CHANGE SIGNIFI IT DID, IT DID NOT CHANGE FROM AN LOSE FOR THOSE APPROACHES.

'CAUSE WE ARE ADDING VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE AVERAGE DELAY THAT INCREASED, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.

I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT INFORMATION IN THE REPORT, SO, OKAY.

YEAH, WE DEFINITELY DOUBLE CHECK THAT, THAT THERE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THOSE APPROACHES.

AND WAS THERE ALSO A CONCERN ABOUT ARAPAHOE AT MIMOSA INTERSECTION? SO BASED ON, UM, THERE WAS A MAP INCLUDED HERE FOR WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE EXPECTED TO ATTEND FROM THE ATTENDANCE AREA AND PLACES THAT, AND BASED ON THAT MAJORITY, UH, 62% OF THE, UH, STUDENTS WOULD COME IN FROM EITHER SOUTH OR EAST OF THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, WHICH MEANT THEY'LL PRIMARILY USE BELT LINE AND COME UP MIMOSA INTO THE, OR DOGWOOD INTO THE SIDE.

THAT'S WHY NOT A WHOLE, NOT THE MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC WAS USING ARAPAHOE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN OUR REQUIREMENTS, IF IN THE FUTURE WE SEE IMPACTS WHEN THE ACTUAL, UH, ENROLLMENT HAPPENS AND, AND KIDS STUDENTS START ATTENDING CLASSES THERE, THAT IF WE SEE THAT THERE ARE IMPACTS ALONG MIMOSA AT THAT INTERSECTION OF HOLLY AND MIMOSA OR EVEN ALL THE WAY NORTH AT ARAPAHOE AND MIMOSA, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND REANALYZE THOSE IMPACTS.

AND, UM, SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I ALWAYS HAD LOOKING AT IT WAS JUST THAT WITH A NEW, A MAIN ENTRY DROP OFF PICKUP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, SOUTH SIDE OF HOLLY, UM, YOU KNOW THAT HOLLY BECOMES LIKE A DEFACTO DROP OFF POINT, UH, RIGHT THERE.

AND I KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT NO PARKING SIGNS ARE POSTED ALONG HOLLY.

CORRECT.

SO NO STOPPING STANDING OR PARKING.

WHICH MEANS, AND YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY CHANGE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR.

BUT YES, WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, ENFORCEMENT RIGHT.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SCHOOL OPENS UP.

AT LEAST THE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS.

THE SCHOOL IN THE BALL FIELD KIND OF PROBABLY RESOLVES THAT MOSA HOLLY DRIVE QUEUING SOMEWHAT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, MAYBE THEY'LL GET USED TO IT AFTER A WHILE, BUT IT'S NOT REAL INTUITIVE THAT YOU WOULD DRIVE ALL THE WAY PAST THE MAC GIVEN WHERE THE SCHOOL IS.

COMMISSIONER COURT, THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY COMMENT ON JUST THE FLOW.

I MEAN, I AGREE.

I, I THINK JUST FLIPPING THE,

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SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A, AN EDUCATION PROCESS FOR SURE.

AND THEN I WAS GONNA MAKE THE SAME COMMENT.

I THINK I'VE MADE THIS COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS TWO AS WELL, MY EXPERIENCE LOOKING AROUND SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS WHERE THOSE NO STANDING STOPPING PARKING ARE, THEY JUST IGNORE IT.

SO I WOULD BET THEY'RE GONNA QUEUE UP ALONG DOGWOOD AND HOLLY, THEY'LL PROBABLY PARK IN THE, THAT TRACK C LOT AND THEY'LL PROBABLY PARK IN THE, UH, IN THE FOOTBALL FIELD LOT TOO AND JUST GET THEIR STUDENTS TO WALK DOWN THERE.

SO I GUESS THAT'LL JUST BE A, BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU.

WE'LL, WE WILL PROBABLY BRING YOU BACK AFTER, WE WILL BRING YOU BACK AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, SO.

GOOD EVENING CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

UH, SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, ANYBODY THAT'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK EITHER, UH, IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH AND, UM, HAVE IT FILLED OUT A CARD, ONE OF THOSE BLUE CARDS.

PLEASE DO SO.

AND, UM, CHRISSY CORTEZ MATHIS.

GOOD EVENING CHAIR.

SO THAT, THERE WE GO.

MY NAME IS CHRISSY CORTEZ MATHIS AND I LIVE AT 1309 MAGNOLIA DRIVE.

MY PROPERTY IS, UH, DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.

OH, I LOVE THAT.

UM, WELL ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE HERE, THE STREET THAT'S GOING DOWN, THAT'S MAGNOLIA DRIVE.

SO I'M DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL PROJECT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO MY FIRST CONCERN IS AROUND TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE MENTIONED A FAIR BIT.

THE PROJECT INFORMATION SHOWS DAILY TRIPS INCREASING BY 38%.

SO THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, IT GOES FROM 1500 TRIPS PER DAY TO ABOUT 2100.

UM, RIGHT NOW, MAGNOLIA DRIVE ALREADY EXPERIENCES CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM RICHARDSON HIGH SCHOOL 'CAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO GO THROUGH A SCHOOL ZONE.

SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND IT'S UNREALISTIC TO EXPECT MOST PARENTS TO DRIVE THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE ON MIMOSA, GO BEYOND THE MAC, COME RIGHT BACK UP AND THAT LANE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FIRE LANE AND THEN QUEUE UP AND THEN GO AROUND THE BUILDING AND THEN EXIT, WHICH THEY'LL PROBABLY TAKE, UM, A LEFT ONTO HOLLY AND A RIGHT ONTO MAGNOLIA, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE, FROM THE NORTH.

SO, UM, WHILE THIS MAY BE AN INCONVENIENCE, WHAT REALLY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD ON MY BLOCK ALONE.

AND WE HAVE 20 KIDS RANGING FROM TODDLERS TO TEENAGERS, AND THEY'RE OUTSIDE PLAN ALL THE TIME AND MANY ARE RIDING BICYCLES.

SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

UM, THE SECOND BIT PIECE IS THAT THIS PARKING LOT IS RIGHT GONNA BE RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE TODAY.

THAT SPACE IS AN OPEN FIELD, SO REPLACING IT WITH A LARGE PAVED LOT COULD CREATE SIGNIFICANT QUALITY OF LIFE IMPACTS, INCLUDING BRIGHT LIGHTING AND INTO OUR HOMES, INCREASED HEAT FROM AN ALMOST AN ACRE OF CONCRETE AND MORE NOISE AND ACTIVITIES AND ADDED, UM, STORM WATER RUNOFF AS WELL AS DRAINAGE CONCERNS.

THE OTHER PIECE, UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT SETBACKS, BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING AS FAR AS HOW MANY FEET ARE THE SETBACKS IN ALL OF THE RISD PROPERTIES THAT I'VE LOOKED AT.

THOSE PARKING LOTS ARE DIRECTLY ALL THE WAY TO THE ALLEY, AND THEN THERE'S HOUSING RIGHT THERE.

SO I JUST SURE DON'T WANT THAT.

I'M EXCITED THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING SOME, SOME LANDSCAPING, BUT AGAIN, HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE ALLEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UM, SO JUST REALLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT SETBACK SCREENING, LIGHTING PROTECTIONS ARE CLEARLY REQUIRED, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN ALSO THAT FIELD IS GONNA BECOME A STAGING AREA FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO I REALLY WANNA KNOW ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HEAVY EQUIPMENT THERE? IS IT, UM, MANAGEMENT, UH, TRAILERS, MATERIAL STORAGE, WORKER PARKING? AND AGAIN, HOW CLOSE IS THAT GONNA BE TO THE ALLEY? BECAUSE WITHOUT PROPER BARRIERS AND IT, AND A STAGING PLAN, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION BEHIND OUR HOUSES.

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UM, THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS THE PUBLIC NOTICE AND ACCESS TO COMMENTS, WHICH I, I'M THANKFUL THAT YOU GUYS ALLOW US TO COME AND CHAT.

UM, BUT MANY RESIDENTS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WE RECEIVED OUR NOTICE ON THURSDAY.

MY HUSBAND COULDN'T BE HERE 'CAUSE HE CAN'T CHANGE HIS SCHEDULE.

HE WORKS AT A HOSPITAL, UM, AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE COULDN'T AS WELL.

AND WHEN IT CAME TO PUTTING IN THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT, UM, SYSTEM WASN'T AVAILABLE UNTIL 10 45 THIS MORNING.

SO THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T EVEN AVAILABLE OR WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO, OH, I WILL FINISH ME UP.

I JUST WANNA JUST ADD I SUPPORT EDUCATION.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS SCHOOL.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A FAIR PROCESS.

UM, AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE POSTPONING OF THIS VOTE TO ALLOW OTHER NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS, UM, AND ALSO TO CONDITION YOUR APPROVAL ON FINALIZING BUFFER AND STAGING PLANS AS WELL AS TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP AND FOR YOUR SERVICE.

UH, THANK YOU.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS.

HEY EVERYONE.

MY NAME'S ROB HOPPER.

I'M AT 1315 MAGNOLIA.

SO JUST A FEW HOUSES DOWN FROM CHRISSY.

REALLY JUST WANNA ECHO THE SAME THING THAT SHE SAID OF, I HAVE THREE YOUNG KIDS.

I'M ALSO A PARENT.

SOME OF YOU MENTIONED, HEY, SCHOOL DROP OFF.

YOU'RE GONNA FIND THE EASIEST ROUTE.

LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN, MAGNOLIA IS JUST GONNA GET REALLY BACKED UP.

IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL STREET PEOPLE PARK OUT FRONT, SO THEY'RE JUST REALLY FEARFUL OF A REALLY BIG BACKUP.

PARENTS ARE GONNA PARK THEIR CAR RIGHT THERE, DROP OFF.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIVING BY SCHOOL.

THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN DO ABOUT THAT, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS CONCERNING.

THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS ON THE SECOND HOUSE, ON THE RIGHT ON MAGNOLIA.

SO THERE IS AN ALLEY RIGHT THERE.

SO THERE'S THREE HOUSES WHERE OUR DRIVEWAYS ARE IN THE ALLEY, AND THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY THREE.

BUT AGAIN, KNOWING PARENTS EASIEST ROUTE OUT THAT ALLEY IS GOING TO BECOME A REAL POPULAR ROAD FOR PEOPLE TO SNEAK OUT.

AS WE'RE BACKING IN AND OUT, I JUST, AGAIN, WITH KIDS RUNNING OUT, I FEAR THAT BEING A REALLY BIG SAFETY CONCERN RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

TURN THIS OFF.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME BACK TO THE PODIUM OR LECTERN? AND, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMENTS YOU JUST HEARD? UH, SURE.

ABLE TO RESPOND TO, TO NEIGHBOR'S, UH, CONCERNS EVEN DURING THE COURSE OF A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

SOME OF THOSE WERE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HEARD AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING ON, ON JANUARY 14TH, AND, AND FULLY UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CONCERNS, UH, VERY VALID CONCERNS, UH, ALL THE WAY AROUND, CERTAINLY.

UM, AND WITH RESPECT TO, I'LL TRY TO TACKLE 'EM ONE AT A TIME.

UH, TAKING THE, THE ONE WITH MOST PROXIMITY, I GUESS, IS THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH OR TRACK C UH, IT, IT, WE WERE, WE WERE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, AND IT IS TRUE THAT WILL BE A CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWN AREA.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WOULD HAVE, UH, COURSE COMPLETE, UH, ISOLATION, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION, FENCING, SCREENING, UH, OFFSET FROM THE ALLEY.

UH, THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR LAY DOWN, UH, POSSIBLY TRAILERS, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKING, UH, THE NEED FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO DELIVERIES, UH, COORDINATION, UH, WITH SCHOOL SCHEDULES AND DROP OFF PICKUP AND, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU REALLY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH MOST OF OUR RENOVATION PROJECTS ACROSS THE, THE CITY, UH, OR MULTIPLE CITY, UH, JURISDICTIONS.

SO, VERY VALID, UH, VERY REASONABLE CONCERNS.

UM, WE DO HAVE A TEAM, UH, ON THIS PROJECT, UH, HELEN WILKINSON, CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS AND, UM, GLEN PARTNERS, BOTH WHO WERE PARTNERED UP TO DO THE PIERCE, UH, HIGH SCHOOL RENOVATION, UH, THAT FINISHED RECENTLY.

SO, UH, FOLKS THAT NOT ONLY PARTNER WELL, BUT THAT ARE VERY FAMILIAR, UH, WITH, WITH WORKING INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND, AND TRYING TO REALLY ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMUNITY AROUND THIS IS, IS REALLY CLOSE, RIGHT? THE, THE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ON MAGNOLIA, UM, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY IN YOUR BACKYARD.

UH, ALL THE MORE, UM, NECESSARY, UH, TO REALLY MAKE SURE, UH, WE'RE MINDFUL OF, OF HOW WE STAGE THERE, HOW WE MOBILIZE THERE.

UM, WE ADDRESS CONCERNS, UH, AS THEY COME UP.

UH, WE FULLY EXPECT THAT OUR, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTOR WILL, UH, BE

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UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO.

WE TYPICALLY WILL DO THOSE THINGS.

SO, UH, THIS WILL BE NO EXCEPTION.

UH, I THINK WE WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO, UH, SHARE THOSE PLANS AS THEY BECOME MORE DEVELOPED.

UH, SO WE CAN HAVE SOME REAL TANGIBLE INFORMATION, UH, TO SHOW AND SHARE.

BUT, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, PHASING AND THEN LOGISTICS ALONG THE WAY, UH, CERTAINLY GONNA BE A COORDINATED EFFORT.

UM, AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST ONLY SHARE THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION, UM, THE DEVELOPED SITE.

SO AS IT, AS IT, AS IT BECOMES DEVELOPED, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD.

AND IT'S A, IT'S A PARKING LOT TOMORROW.

UH, MAYBE IT HAS ORNAMENTAL FENCING, LANDSCAPING, UH, LIGHTING, YET WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF LIGHTING YET.

'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMPLETELY DEVELOPED.

UM, YES, THAT BECOMES KIND OF, KIND OF ONE OF THE REASONS, UH, WE, WE WANTED TO, TO REALLY ADDRESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND ISOLATING THAT WITH FENCING AROUND IT, UH, IS, IS FOR THAT REASON TO KEEP, KEEP FOLKS IN THERE THAT ARE PARKING, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN COME OUT AND GO TO THEIR DESTINATION, WHETHER IT BE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OR THE BASEBALL, UH, STADIUM AND, AND NOT REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO WALK OFF ACROSS THE FIELD AND INTO THE ALLEYS AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO, UH, YES, WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF EVERY AVAILABLE, UH, ACRE, IF YOU WILL, UH, HENCE THE 38 ADDITIONAL NEW, UH, PARKING SPACES THAT WE THINK WILL BENEFIT, UH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND, AND THE TRACT, UH, IN ITS ENTIRETY.

UH, BUT IT WILL BE A CHANGE.

IT WILL BE A CHANGE FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY.

UH, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, NOT ONLY AS WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, DEVELOP THIS SITE, UH, BUT WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A DISTURBANCE.

UH, WE TALKED IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT IT, IT REQUIRING, YOU KNOW, TO GO THROUGH THE PHOTOMETRICS.

AND I THINK, UH, ANDREW ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER ABOUT, UH, THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'LL HAVE ON HOW THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS LIT, UH, WHEN IT IS FULLY DEVELOPED AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO WE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT IS LEAST DISRUPTIVE AS POSSIBLE, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO PLAN AND DESIGN IN THAT WAY.

UH, TRAFFIC, AGAIN, I THINK WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC EARLIER.

UM, VALID CONCERNS.

VALID CONCERNS.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL NOBODY PARKING ALONG HOLLY.

UH, I WOULD LOVE TO CONTROL NOBODY GOING DOWN MAGNOLIA THAT DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO OR LIVE THERE, UH, INTO THE FUTURE.

AND SO, I KNOW PRE TAM MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, UH, ANALYSIS IF NECESSARY INTO THE FUTURE ON WHAT THAT, UH, MIGHT LOOK LIKE, AND MITIGATION STRATEGIES THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY TO HELP.

UM, BUT, BUT I WOULD BE LYING IF I SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO CONTROL SOME OF THE BEHAVIOR, UH, AND, AND HELP THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE THERE, UH, IN THEIR STREETS.

UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER TODAY, BUT I CERTAINLY KNOW IT'S A VALID CONCERN, AND I WOULD HAVE THE SAME CONCERN IF I LIVED ON THAT STREET MYSELF.

SO, UM, NO, I, I, I THINK, UH, I THINK, UM, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE GREAT AND OUR, OUR COMMUNITY'S GREAT AND, AND WE, WE DO BELIEVE THIS, THIS IS AN EFFICIENT, UH, SITE FOR, FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS TRANSFORMATION.

UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE BEST WE COULD COME UP WITH SO FAR.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED A POINT OR TWO, BUT IF I DID, PLEASE, UH, ASK AGAIN AND I'LL TRY MR. ROBERTS.

SO, UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THE FOCUS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE GOING FORWARD.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH OR ENTERTAINED, UH, ANY KIND OF A FORMAL WAY FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE A CONTINUING DIALOGUE WITH YOU ALL? UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, THERE, THERE SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE A NEED TO, UM, ALLOW THE NEIGHBORS TO ADDRESS THINGS AS THEY COME UP WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO GO FIND SOMEBODY.

YEAH, I JUST, I WANNA, I WANNA TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT AND REASONABLE WAY TO KEEP THAT DIALOGUE GOING DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE RECURRING MEETINGS, RIGHT? REGULAR OWNER, WE CALL 'EM OAC, OWNER, ARCHITECT, CONTRACTOR MEETINGS WEEKLY.

ONCE THINGS, UH, GET STARTED AND, UH, OF WHICH ARE, ARE PRINCIPAL AND, AND SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, CAMPUS ADMINISTRATORS ARE, UH, ROUTINELY INVOLVED.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT TODAY, OTHER THAN I'M SURE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME WAY, UH, TO, TO SHARE CONTACT INFORMATION TO ALLOW THAT BACK AND FORTH FEEDBACK DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT, UM, ALLOWS THEM TO COMMUNICATE THINGS THAT, THAT MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE HAVE SOMETHING PLANNED AND, AND THE BALL JUST DROPPED AND WE JUST NEED TO CORRECT IT.

OR MAYBE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT REALLY ADDRESSED WHAT IT, WHAT IT NEEDED TO.

SO WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE PLAN EITHER

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SCENARIO, UH, I'M SURE WE CAN DEVELOP WHAT THAT IS AND, AND HOW THAT CAN BE, UH, COORDINATED.

I JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE ANSWER RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.

SURE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

ARE YOU, UH, COMMITTING TO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THOUGH? YES, SIR.

COMMISSIONER POYNTER, WHAT HAPPENS TO BIKES? WE IN, IF I WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH OR WHATEVER THEY MIDDLE SCHOOL AND I WANTED TO TAKE MY BIKE, WHERE WOULD I PARK MY BIKE? OH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THAT'S, WE'LL HAVE SOME BIKE RACKS ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT MEET THE CITY OF RICHARDSON'S REQUIREMENTS ENVIRONMENTS.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO INCENTIVIZE BIKE RIDING BY PARKING THAT NEAR THE FRONT? UM, I MEAN, TALKING, WE, WE CAN WORK WITH THE DISTRICT AND SEE WHAT STUDENTS DO THAT AND INCENTIVIZE SOME OF THAT.

IF, IF THAT'S, I'M JUST SURPRISED TO SEE A SCHOOL WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION FOR BIKES WHILE WE BUILD BIKE LANES ALL OVER THE CITY.

WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR IT, IT'S JUST NOT SHOWN ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.

UM, BUT DID, DID WE INTEND? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CORRECT? YEAH, THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT, SO IF I WERE TAKING MY BIKE, WHERE WOULD I PARK IT? COULD YOU SHOW ME IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA NOW? WE'RE GONNA HAVE BIKE RACKS UP BY THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, BY THE MAIN ENTRY.

SO IT'LL BE BY THE MAIN ENTRY.

AND SO I WOULD ENTER OFF, SHOW ME WHERE I WOULD ENTER MY, IF I WERE ON A BIKE, UM, SIDEWALKS AND THINGS.

AND WOULD I COME FROM THE STREET OR IS THERE A BIKE LANE OR, NO, IF, IF YOU'RE, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM DOWN THE STREET OR SOMETHING, YOU WOULD PULL ONTO THE SITE AND THEN THE BIKE RACKS WOULD BE ALONG THIS MAIN KIND OF ENTRY PIECE.

SO I'M ON THE STREET AND NOT ON THE SIDEWALK, BUT I DON'T HAVE A BIKE LANE.

THERE'S, THERE'S SIDEWALKS THAT GO UP AND DOWN DOGWOOD, SO YES, YOU COULD BE, YOU DIDN'T SHOW THE SIDEWALKS.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE SIDEWALKS.

SIDEWALKS AREN'T SHOWN ON THIS PLAN, CORRECT.

ANDREW, TINA, OR THE SIDEWALKS ON THIS PLAN? JUST, UM, I DON'T THINK THE SIDEWALK IS SHOWN ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, BUT I THINK IT'S SHOWN ON, UM, ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S GONNA BE IF I HAVE TO GO BACK.

WERE YOU WANTING PEOPLE, WERE YOU WANTING FOLKS ON BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK? I SAW THAT IT LOOKED WIDER AND IT EDGED.

IS THIS ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO OR I KEEP GOING.

THIS ONE? NOPE.

BECAUSE THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE 2100 STUDENTS.

IS THIS THE PLAN? SO SOMEBODY HELP ME.

TRANSPORTATION.

DO WE WANT, ARE BIKES ON THE STREET OR ON THEY ON THE SIDEWALK? YES.

WE ALLOW BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK.

SO A BIKE CAN COME ALONG ON THE SIDEWALK? CORRECT.

AND WON'T, UH, AND, AND THEN WOULD PULL, PULL OFF AND PARK TOWARDS THE PARK TOWARDS THE FRONT? CORRECT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT BIKE TRAFFIC IS AT A, AT A MIDDLE SCHOOL OR WHAT WE NOW USED TO CALL JUNIOR HIGH? NO, I DON'T HAVE AN IDEA AT THIS POINT.

DO, DO WE ENCOURAGE BIKING FOR FOLKS GOING TO SCHOOL SINCE WE HAVE BIKE LANES? YES, WE DO.

WE DO HOST BIKE RODEOS, AND WE DO ENCOURAGE SCHOOL KIDS TO BIKE TO SCHOOL.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, THAT'S A COMPONENT OF TRAFFIC BY VIRTUE OF ALL THE BIKE LANES WE HAVE IN THE CITY, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S ILLUSTRATED HERE THAT THE BIKE RACKS AREN'T SHOWN OR THAT THE BIKE, THE BIKE RACKS AREN'T SHOWN, OR HOW SOMEONE ON A BIKE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THEY NEED TO BE ON THE STREET? WOULD THAT ADD ADDITIONAL CONGESTION, ET CETERA? JUST WAS NEVER ADDRESSED.

SO BOTH LESS ABOUT PARKING THE BIKE, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE NICE TO SHOW BIKE RACKS AND AN OVERALL TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

AND THEN ARE YOU ROUTING THOSE BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK? NO, IT'S A GREAT COMMENT.

I I, I HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED BEFORE, BUT IT'S A GOOD COMMENT.

AND I THINK IT WAS ALONG THE ALLEY THERE IN TRACK C ABOUT SETBACKS.

I THINK BIKE SCHOOLS, BIKE LANES, TRAFFIC, PLACES TO PARK BIKES SHOULD ALL BE PART OF A TRANSPORTATION DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER CLERK.

YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT,

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THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

WHAT'S THE SETBACK FROM THE ALLEY FOR, TO THE FENCE? IT'S PLANNED AS A 10 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE ALLEY.

PROPERTY LINE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE SHRUB ROW AND THE FENCE WOULD BE LOCATED IN THAT BUFFER.

THANKS.

I WANNA GO BACK TO ONE OF THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS I DON'T THINK WAS REALLY ADDRESSED, AND THAT WAS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ALONG MAGNOLIA.

MM-HMM .

UM, SO SOUNDS LIKE, ACCORDING TO THE COMMENTS, THAT MAGNOLIA IS BEING USED IN A, AS AN ALTERNATE ROUTE TO MIMOSA TODAY.

UH, PROBABLY, MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE CONGESTION AT HOLLY AND MIMOSA, UM, AND THE, UH, SCHOOL ZONE.

UM, SO SOME PEOPLE HAVE FIGURED OUT MAYBE THAT'S A QUICKER ROUTE TO, TO GET DOWN THERE.

UH, AND, UH, IS THERE ANY, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, WITH THIS NEW PLAN, WHAT, WHAT THAT IMPACT WILL BE ON MAGNOLIA? SORRY.

YES, WE HAVE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT THAT.

AND AS MENTIONED BY JAMES IN OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS THE TRAFFIC TRYING TO BYPASS OUR PARENTS TRYING TO BYPASS THE CURRENT EXISTING SCHOOL ZONE THAT STARTS JUST SOUTH OF MAGNOLIA ON MIMOSA.

SO A LOT OF PARENTS TRY TO AVOID GOING TO MIMOSA AND HOLLY INTERSECTION SINCE IT'S BACKED UP, AND THEY DO TAKE THE BYPASS ROUTE ALONG MAGNOLIA.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INCLUDED IN, UM, THE DISCUSSION IN THE REPORT IS ONCE THE SCHOOL STARTS, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW.

AND IF THERE IS STILL A BYPASS HAPPENING AND IS NEEDED, THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE SCHOOL ZONE FURTHER NORTH OF MIMOSA.

AND THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS ENTIRE SEGMENT OF MIMOSA TO BE UNDER THAT SCHOOL ZONE, WHICH WILL DEFINITELY, UM, HELP REDUCE THE, OR AT LEAST AT A MINIMUM, KEEP THE TRAFFIC SPEEDS UNDER, UH, A SAFE SPEED UNDER 20 MILES AN HOUR.

WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE WIDTH OF MAGNOLIA WITH CARS PARKING? SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ALONG THE MAGNOLIA PROBABLY REDUCING THE WIDTH OR ? UM, YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, WE, THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, BUT, UM, ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO REALLY SEE HOW THIS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO IMPACT.

THE REASON THEY ARE USING MAGNOLIA CURRENTLY IS THE BACKED UP INTERSECTION OF HOLLY AND MIMOSA.

SO IN ORDER TO AVOID THE CONGESTION, THEY'RE TRYING DIFFERENT ROUTES AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE USING IT.

SO IF IF THE CONGESTION DOESN'T EXIST IN THE FUTURE, THEN THE TRAFFIC MAY, UM, GO A DIFFERENT WAY OR CIRCULATE A DIFFERENT PATTERN.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEING, UM, A LITTLE BIT CAUTIOUS ON HOW WE, UH, DEPLOY OUR PLANS.

SO OUR FIRST PLAN IS TO ASSESS WHEN THE SCHOOL OPENS, WHEN THE, ALL THE NEW, ALL THE NEW STUDENTS ARE ADDED, HOW EXACTLY IS THE TRAFFIC BEHAVING? AND THEN WE HAVE LAID OUT SOME OPTIONS.

IF CERTAIN IT STILL CONTINUES TO DO THE WAY IT'S DOING TODAY, THEN WE WILL IMPLEMENT THE SCHOOL ZONE, EXTEND IT, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE, UM, LOOK AT RESTRICTING THE WIDTH OR NARROWING OR DO OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES.

UH, AND IT SEEMS TO ME, IF YOU'RE SOUTHBOUND ON MIMOSA FROM ARAPAHO, LET'S SAY, UM, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DROP OFF YOUR CHILD, THAT IF, UM, IF YOU CAN'T DROP 'EM OFF ON HOLLY, UM, THE, AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO MIMOSA TO GET TO THE, INTO THE QUEUE, INTO THE DRIVEWAY TO DROP 'EM OFF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA SAVE YOU ANY TIME TO USE MAGNOLIA BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST GONNA GET STUCK AT THAT HOLLY AND MIMOSA INTERSECTION.

SO YOU'D BE BETTER OFF JUST STAYING ON MIMOSA, CONTINUING, CONTINUING SALARY, CORRECT.

THEN ON THE BASEBALL SCHOOL FIELD SIDE, UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT OPTIONS IF NEEDED TO RESTRICT THAT PARKING.

CORRECT.

UM, SO ENFORCEMENT ON HOLLY, I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, IMPERATIVE.

WHAT ABOUT DOGWOOD? ARE THEY, IS THERE NO PARKING ON DOGWOOD OR IS THAT JUST GONNA BECOME, AGAIN, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT TRY TO GET AROUND ALL THE CONGESTION ON MIMOSA THAT THEY, THEY USE MAGNOLIA, THEY MAKE A RIGHT, THEY GO OVER TO DOGWOOD AND THEY KIND OF DROP OFF OVER ON, ON DOGWOOD.

SO ON, ON DOGWOOD.

CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

SO THEY DO HAVE, UM, THAT IN PLACE ALREADY, UH, DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS.

AND

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COMMISSIONER CLERK.

YEAH, I THINK THE BIGGER, I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS PROBABLY QUEUING ON, ON MAGNOLIA.

HADN'T REALLY NOTICED THAT UNTIL IT, UNTIL IT WAS MENTIONED.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU WERE COMING SOUTH DOWN, DOWN ON MIMOSA AND YOU WANTED TO DROP YOUR KID OFF, WHY NOT JUST GO DOWN, UH, MAGNOLIA AND DROP 'EM OFF ON THE SIDEWALK AND TAKE A RIGHT ON, UH, HOLLY THERE AND GET ON OUT OF THERE? SO I, I THINK THE, THE WHOLE ENFORCEMENT THING IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, OPTIONS THERE ARE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD ALWAYS MAKE MAGNOLIA SCHOOL ZONE TOO, CORRECT, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT SPEED, BUT I MEAN, I, YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW OTHER OPTIONS WOULD IMPACT, POTENTIALLY IMPACT THE HOMEOWNER TOO, SO LIKE RESTRICTING ACCESS DURING CERTAIN HOURS, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN THIS GETS UP AND RUNNING.

I, I PROBABLY SHOULD ASK THIS QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING.

UH, BUT, UH, DID THE, DID THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LOOK OR HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVES TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING A NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL ON THIS PROPERTY? UM, FOR A NEW SCHOOL, YES.

NOT FOR A NEW SCHOOL.

NEW CONSTRUCTION? YES.

NO.

SO THERE WERE NO OTHER ALTERNATIVES, UH, OR FOR PROPOSED FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

AND IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANY AVAILABLE SITES WITHIN THE SERVICE AREA OR WITHIN THE SCHOOL? THE ATTENDANCE ZONE, THE SCHOOL ZONE ATTENDANCE ZONE? YES, SIR.

THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF IT.

UM, BUT JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THIS, THIS, UM, WHERE IT'S AT TODAY, ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE AVAILABLE SPACE TO BUILD AND STILL KEEP THE CURRENT JUNIOR HIGH OPERATIONAL FOR, FOR THE TWO YEAR PERIOD, OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT IMPACTING MAGNET PROGRAMMING AND, AND THOSE THINGS, UH, WAS WHERE THE BASEBALL CURRENTLY IS, TODAY'S.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS OUR LIMITING, ONE OF THE LIMITING FACTORS CERTAINLY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UM, SORT OF, UM, OF A RELATIONSHIP WITH RICHARDSON HIGH SCHOOL BEING RIGHT THERE FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? LIKE ARE BENEFITS OR SHARING OF SERVICES OR THINGS OF THAT THAT WOULD'VE MADE THAT THEY CURRENTLY DO OR, OR CONTINUE TO DO CURRENTLY? AS FAR AS PLANNED? UH, JUST, JUST THE, THE OBVIOUS THINGS LIKE THE, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THE, THE ONLY MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT USES A STADIUM FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR PRACTICES, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS WHETHER IT BE FOOTBALL OR TRACK OR OTHERWISE, IS, IS WEST, RIGHT? ALL OF THEIR, OF THEIR JUNIOR HIGHS OR MIDDLE SCHOOLS HAVE THEIR, UH, FIELDS AND THEIR TRACKS AND, AND, AND, AND TENNIS COURTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT HERE, UH, UNIQUELY, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR WEST JUNIOR HIGH STUDENTS, UH, HAVE THE STADIUM THEY USE, THEY HAVE THE TENNIS COURTS, UH, ACROSS BELTLINE.

SO IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, A UNIQUE SIDE IN THAT REGARD.

AND CERTAINLY PARKING AND DRIVES, UH, AS WELL, UH, BOTH SHARED FOR HIGH SCHOOL AND, AND, AND, UH, JUNIOR HIGH, UH, STAFF AND STUDENTS.

SO, UH, YEAH, JUST, JUST BESIDES THOSE SHARED SERVICES, RIGHT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN ISOLATION AND WHAT SORT OF DOLLAR INVESTMENT IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MAKING AND TO ALL OF THESE PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS FOR ABOUT THE NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE NEW, WHAT'S THE CURRENT BASEBALL FIELD? THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR THIS, CORRECT.

YEAH, THIS CURRENT CONSTRUCTION BUDGET.

UH, ONE 19, 119 MILLION.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR, UH, NO, JUST, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

UH, YOU KNOW, GREAT FEEDBACK, UH, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDABLE AND, AND, AND, UH, CONCERNS.

UM, BUT WE, WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND, AND AGAIN, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.

WE WANNA THANK CITY STAFF FOR ALL THEIR WORK ON THIS, UH, HELPING US ALONG THE WAY.

AND, UM, THANK OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE FEEDBACK, WHICH DID ACTUALLY CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF OUR TRAFFIC PLAN AND, AND HOW WE'RE GONNA, UM, ADDRESS THE PARKING TO THE NORTH.

UM, SO YOU KNOW, THAT THAT FEEDBACK WAS, WAS CRITICAL AND INSTRUMENTAL AS WELL.

SO THANK ALL THOSE INVOLVED.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COMMISSIONER QUIRK, AND, UH, I SECOND MR. POINTER SECOND.

UH, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? UH, PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, WELL, I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE RUN INTO THIS OUR THIRD MIDDLE SCHOOL CASE.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE TRAFFIC'S ALWAYS THE, THE, THE MAJOR, UH, ISSUE.

UM, OVERALL, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE, I I THINK SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY, WE LOVE TO SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, A NEW BRAND NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN SPACE, THE NATURAL LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE FOR COLLABORATION, UM, JUST TEACHING AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR OUR KIDS.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A BIG POSITIVE AND, UH, THE INVESTMENT THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S MAKING, UH, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, AND, BUT IT'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, IN EVERY CASE WE'RE DEALING WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, IT SEEMS LIKE, AND SOMETIMES STREETS THAT WERE NOT REALLY DESIGNED TO HANDLE ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

AND I THINK IN EVERY CASE WE'VE LOOKED AT, UM, THERE'S A PROBLEM TODAY AND NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT ADDING MORE STUDENTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? AND, UH, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS, IN MY OPINION, IT'S GONE A LONG WAY TO, UM, TO HELP, UH, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MIMOSA HOLLY INTERSECTION IS A DIFFICULT ONE TODAY, AND YOU'VE GOT A VERY SHORT QUEUING LANE THAT'S BEING SHARED BY DROP OFF PICKUP BUSES, YOU KNOW, TODAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF WEST JUNIOR HIGH, AND ALONG MIMOSA.

SO IF THIS IS TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLANS ACTUALLY PUT INTO PRACTICE AND ENFORCED, UH, I THINK GENERALLY IT SHOULD BE BETTER.

BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY THAT CAUSE FOR CONCERN ABOUT, I THINK MAGNOLIA IS THE, THE SPOT WE GOTTA LOOK AT.

AND AGAIN, CONTINUE TO MONITOR, UH, HOLLY AND MIMOSA AND DOGWOOD AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON, ON ALL THOSE SURROUNDING STREETS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT, UM, WHENEVER A UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY GETS DEVELOPED , AND IT'S JUST A PARKING LOT AND IT'S NOT A GRASSY FIELD, YOU KNOW, AND YOU LIVE NEXT TO THAT, THAT'S NOT, UH, NECESSARILY SOMETHING YOU'RE, UH, GONNA LIKE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF I LIVED NEXT DOOR, I, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE THAT EITHER.

UH, BUT THIS IS SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY, UM, AND, UH, IT'S NOT BEING PUT TO USE.

AND I THINK THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, SOLVES A NEED, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING AND IF THEY MAINTAIN THE LIGHTING, UH, SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT, UH, THOSE HOUSES TO THE WEST.

UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF MY THOUGHTS, UH, ON IT.

ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I JUST THINK OF, OF THIS BEING THE THIRD ONE WE'VE LOOKED AT, IT'S OBVIOUS, OBVIOUSLY THE MOST CHALLENGING FROM A SPACE PERSPECTIVE.

'CAUSE THE OTHER TWO, THERE WAS PLENTY OF SPACE AROUND THE SCHOOL FOR STAGING EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

PLUS YOU WEREN'T TEARING DOWN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND COMPLETELY REBUILDING ONE.

SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY CHALLENGING, BUT I THINK THE COMMUNICATION, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS RIGHT AROUND TRACK C, IS GONNA BE GONNA BE CRITICAL AND, AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO TO, TO GIVE THEM SOME CONFIDENCE THAT THE LIGHTING IN THAT PARKING LOT AND, UH, THE, THE BOUNDARY AREA AREA THERE IS, UH, IS AS NICE AS IT CAN BE, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE THE BEST THING TO DO.

AND THEN I JUST THINK ON THE TRAFFIC I'VE BEEN IN AND AROUND THESE SCHOOLS, AND THERE, IT, I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF LIKE WATER FLOWING THERE.

IT, THE, THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IS, IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

SO, UH, AND THEY'LL PROBE AND PUSH AND EXPERIMENT UNTIL THEY FIND THE RIGHT ONE.

SO EVERYTHING, UH, I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY CAN DO TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE BEST.

AND I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK.

UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT RAISED, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT WAS THE, UH, UH, NOTICE, UH, ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HEARD THAT THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE NOTICES TILL THURSDAY IS RIGHT.

THE NOTICES DID GO OUT BEFORE THE REQUIRED 10 DAY DEADLINE.

THEY WENT OUT A DAY IN ADVANCE OF IT.

UM, SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO SEND THOSE OUT AT LEAST 10 DAYS IN ADVANCE.

BUT I BELIEVE THE ICE STORM CAUSED ISSUES WITH THE POST DEPART POST OFFICE MM-HMM .

SO THEY WERE LAGGING LAST WEEK.

BENEFIT, I MEAN, UH, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS A, IN, IN THIS MATTER, WE'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY.

UH, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR JUST EVERYBODY'S

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UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL SAY SO ON IT.

SO ULTIMATELY THAT, UH, RESIDES WITH CITY COUNCIL.

UM, THEY DON'T ALWAYS GO ALONG WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY, AND HOW WE MIGHT VOTE.

UH, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AT WHENEVER THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL.

DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE YET? YES, IT'S TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR, UM, MONDAY, MARCH 9TH AT 6:00 PM UM, BUT, UH, SOMETIMES THOSE DATES CAN FLUCTUATE, BUT THAT'S THE, THE, THE CURRENT THINKING RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO, UM, YEAH.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FRUSTRATING IF YOU DON'T GET THE NOTICE WELL IN ADVANCE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE TIME TO PREPARE FOR IT AND ALL THAT.

BUT, UH, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE A SECOND CHANCE TO, TO COME BACK OUT.

SO THERE COMMENTS OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION HERE? I THINK THERE'S SOME EXTRA LANGUAGE IN THE MOTION THAT WE WERE ADVISED.

I TRIED TO WRITE QUICKLY, BUT I COULDN'T GET IT WRITTEN QUICKLY.

DO YOU WANNA PULL THAT SLIDE UP? YEAH.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CPC.

SO MY DRUGSTORE READERS HAVE, ARE FINISHED.

SO LET ME SEE WHAT THIS SAYS.

, I, WE TRIED TO WRITE IT DOWN.

SO STAFF, COULD YOU REMIND US? YEAH, YEAH.

UM, I, IT REALLY, IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO GO TO, SO THIS IS SAYING THAT THE REQUEST IS THAT IT'D BE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? AND WITH THIS R 1500 M RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXHIBIT D AND EXHIBIT B AND EXHIBIT C, THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ELEVATIONS, EXHIBIT D HAS GOT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

SO TO POSSIBLY HELP THE COMMISSION IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT, THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED THERE AS DEREK PRESENTED, UM, YOUR MOTION COULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, IF THAT ASSISTS YOUR, SO COMMISSIONER POINTERS, WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE ON THIS, UH, EXHIBIT D CONDITIONS OR THE SITE PLAN? NO, I JUST WANTED THE, THAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO ADD OR MODIFY, NOT ADDING TO ADD OR MODIFY.

I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

MAY I ADD BY STAFF? RECOMMEND APPROVAL? YES.

RECOMMEND APPROVAL, YES.

SO THAT MOTION, A RECOMMEND, JUST SO I HAVE IT RIGHT, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UM, LET'S JUST CALL IT, UH, ZONING FILE 25 DASH 2222 AS PRESENTED.

IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE, WHICH INCLUDES RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, PRESENTED BY STAFF? YEAH, THE, THESE HERE? I'LL SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO PRO APPROVE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS, UH, PRESENTED.

UM, AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER QUIRK.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE IN OUR AGENDA.

UM, DO WE NEED A QUICK BREAK? UH, SO WE'LL STAND RECESSED UNTIL 7:40 PM ALL THIS RECESS, UH, MEETING BACK AT 40 PM UM, OH, THERE WE GO.

OKAY, WELL, WE'RE BACK ON THE AIR.

UH, CALL A REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION BACK TO ORDER AT 7:40 PM UH, WE'RE

[3. Zoning File 25-24 – Dallas Scalp Associates: Consider and act on a request for a Special Permit for a Cosmetic Tattooing Establishment, within an approximately 1,000-square-foot-suite space within an existing multi-tenant building on a 2.5-acre lot addressed as 2100 Alamo Road, on the east side of Alamo Road, the west side of Central Expressway, east of N. Collins Boulevard, and north of Campbell Road, and currently zoned PD Planned Development for Local Retail LR-M(2). Owner: Bravo Central LLC. Staff: Christine Ross.]

UH, THIS IS, UH, ZONING FILE, 25 DASH 24 DALLAS SCALP ASSOCIATES.

MS. ROSS'S GONNA PRESENT TO US.

YES, THAT'S THE FIRST, RIGHT? GOOD EVENING.

YES, THIS IS MY FIRST PRESENTATION, .

SPECIAL PERMIT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TRADITIONAL ARTISTIC TATTOOING, BODY PAINTING AND BODY PIERCING SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RECORDED.

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NAME IS CHRISTINE ROSS.

I'M A PLANNER TWO HERE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS IS ZONING FILE 2 5 2 4, A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST FOR A COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENT NAMED DALLAS SCALP ASSOCIATES, LOCATED AT 2 2 1 0 0 ALAMO ROAD.

THIS REQUEST IS, UM, FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENT.

THIS LAND USE TYPE IS NOT LISTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, THEREFORE, A SPECIAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALAMO ROAD, THE WEST SIDE OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, EAST OF NORTH COLLINS BOULEVARD, AND NORTH OF CAMPBELL ROAD.

IT IS OWNED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR LRM TWO LOCAL RETAIL.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.

THIS SINGLE STORY BUILDING IS 24,840 SQUARE FEET, AND THE SUITE IS APPROXIMATELY 1000 SQUARE FEET THAT IS OUTLINED IN RED.

UM, THERE'S NO ESTABLISHED PARKING RATIO FOR A COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENT.

HOWEVER, THIS, THIS TYPE OF USE IS SIMILAR TO OTHER RETAIL USES.

THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 11:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND SUNDAYS FROM 1:00 PM TO 8:00 PM HERE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS.

AGAIN, THE SUBJECT SUITE SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED.

UM, THIS SHOWS THE WESTERN ELEVATION TAKEN FROM ALAMO ROAD AND WE, WE SPLIT THE TWO PICTURES UP 'CAUSE THE BUILDING'S VERY LONG AND NARROW.

AND THIS IS THE EASTERN ELEVATION, AND HERE ARE THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN ELEVATIONS.

IN 2017, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENT AT 3 0 4 SOUTH COTTONWOOD DRIVE.

THEY OPERATED FOR APPROXIMATELY SEVEN YEARS AND NO COMPLAINTS WERE RECEIVED BY THE RICHARDSON POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

UM, RECENTLY STAFF, UM, WAS, UH, NOTIFIED THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, UM, SOME TRADITIONAL TATTOOING, UM, OCCURRING ON SITE WHEN THAT BUSINESS WAS WAS OPERATING.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ADVISED THAT THAT WAS NOT PERMISSIBLE AT THAT TIME, AND THAT WILL NOT BE PART OF TONIGHT'S REQUEST.

IN 2025, A SPECIAL PERMIT WAS APPROVED FOR A DOG TRAINING CENTER AT THAT SAME LOCATION, AND THE APPLICANT HAD TO VACATE THEIR, THEIR SUITE IN DECEMBER OF 2025.

SO HERE'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL, UH, VIEW OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN COSMETIC TATTOOING AND TRADITIONAL ARTISTIC TATTOOING.

UM, THE APPLICANT HERE, HE CAN GO INTO SOME MORE DETAIL.

UM, BUT SO THE MAIN DIFFERENCES, UM, IS THAT, UM, COSMETIC TATTOOING USES PIGMENT NOT INK, UM, AND ITS PURPOSE IS TO ENHANCE NATURAL FEATURES.

UM, THE, THE PIGMENT IS MEANT TO FADE GRADUALLY AND IT'S PLACED IN THE UPPER DERMIS LAYER OF THE SKIN.

UM, FOR TRAINING, UH, ARTISTS CAN GET CERTIFIED THROUGH AESTHETICS OR COSMETOLOGY BOARDS, AND THEY NEED TO GET LICENSED THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES.

UH, SERVICES FOR COSMETIC TATTOOING TYPICALLY INCLUDE, UM, AND THIS A THIS APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THESE SERVICES, UM, SCALP PIGMENTATION, EYEBROW COSMETIC TATTOOING, LIP COSMETIC TATTOOING, SCAR CAMOUFLAGE, AND RESTORATIVE COSMETIC TATTOOING FOR BREAST CANCER SURVIVORS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, TRADITIONAL ARTISTIC TATTOOING IS, UH, FOR A MORE CREATIVE EXPRESSION AND IT USES INK THAT'S DESIGNED TO BE PERMANENT, UH, NOT PIGMENT.

UM, THE INK IS PLACED IN THE MID TO DEEP DERMIS LAYERS OF THE SKIN AND TRAINING IS DONE THROUGH APPRENTICESHIPS.

AND ARTISTS DO NOT NEED TO GET CERTIFIED FROM AESTHETIC OR COSME OR COSMETOLOGY BOARDS.

THE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME AND ARTISTS ARE REQUIRED TO GET LICENSED AGAIN THROUGH THE, UH, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES.

AND THESE SERVICES TYPICALLY INCLUDE, UM, THE TRADITIONAL ARTISTIC TATTOOING, BODY PIERCING AND BODY PAINTING.

ENVISION RICHARDSON DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS, UM, COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE RETAIL AND OFFICE ARE IDENTIFIED AS PRIMARY USES.

THEREFORE, THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLACE TYPE.

SHOULD THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OR THE FOLLOWING SPECIAL CONDITIONS ARE PROPOSED.

THE SPECIAL PERMIT SHALL BE LIMITED TO DALLAS AL ASSOCIATES AND CHRIS TORRES.

NO OTHER PERSON, COMPANY, BUSINESS OR LEGAL ENTITY MAY OPERATE A TATTOOING, A COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENT AT THIS LOCATION.

AND THE SPECIAL PERMIT AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATES UPON CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP OR OPERATOR.

THE SPECIAL PERMIT SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONLY THE FOLLOWING SERVICES, SCALP PIGMENTATION, EYEBROW COSMETIC TATTOOING, LIP COSMETIC TATTOOING, SCAR CAMOUFLAGE AND RE, AND RESTORATIVE COSMETIC TATTOOING FOR BREAST CANCER SURVIVORS.

ALL OTHER SERVICES NOT PERMITTED BY THIS

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THIS, THE SITE SHALL BE ZONED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF LRM TWO LOCAL RETAIL AND SHALL BE DEVELOPED WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT B.

AND THE COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENTS HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE LIMITED TO MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 11:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND SUNDAYS FROM 1:00 PM TO 8:00 PM AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO THERE, THERE IS NO CHANGE IN ZONING, IT'S JUST A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND SO IT'S STILL, IT'S PD TODAY WITH THE BASE ZONING OF LRM TWO? CORRECT.

ALRIGHT, MR. POINTER, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE HOURS? I JUST, ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL ME? SURE.

SO THEY WILL BE, UM, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY FROM 11:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND SUNDAY'S FROM 1:00 PM TO 8:00 PM.

UM, I KNOW THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS IS VERY MUCH THROUGH APPOINTMENTS.

UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME, SOME WALK-INS, BUT IT IS PRIMARILY, UM, FOR, UH, OR BASED ON, UM, APPOINTMENTS.

COMMISSIONER ROBERTS? YEAH.

UM, DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW MANY, UM, FOLKS WILL BE WORKING IN THE BUSINESS? UM, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A BETTER SUITED QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT HE HAS PREVIOUSLY STATED AS JUST HIMSELF AND ONE ASSISTANT.

BUT HE CAN VERIFY THAT.

COMMISSIONER POINTER, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I JUST, NO.

AND MR. TORRES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD? NO.

HAVE BEEN IN, IN, UH, IN LIKE VETERANS WHO HAVE GOT BULLET, BULLET BULLET HOLES AND SCARS.

MY NAME IS, UH, CHRIS TORRES.

I'M INTERESTED IN THE 2100 BLOCK OF, UH, ALAMO STREET.

UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, SUITE V, I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AND, UH, I WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE IN 2017, AS YOU KNOW, UH, FOR COSMETIC TATTOO.

AND I, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I DO IS SCOUT MICRO-PIGMENTATION IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE, HAVE THE ISSUE OF LOSING HAIR OR THINNING HAIR.

AND, UH, IT COULD BE WOMEN, ANYBODY WHO IS AT A TRAUMATIC EVENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I TATTOO TO REPLICATE TO LOOK LIKE IT'S HAIR, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NOT, BUT IT GIVES IT, THE ILLUSION IS HERE.

SO I ACTUALLY HAVE IT MYSELF RIGHT HERE IN THE, IN THE FRONT, JUST ACTUALLY TATTOO BELIEVE IT.

AND SO IT GIVES THE ILLUSION IT'S REAL.

AND I'VE GAVE PICTURES TO, TO Y'ALL OF, OF, OF MY WORK AND A BROCHURE I HAVE, UH, WON'T HAVE ANY ON ME AT THE MOMENT, BUT I TURNED THEM IN.

AND, UH, ALSO HELP WOMEN WITH THE BREAST CANCER ISSUES THAT, UH, DON'T HAVE AN OLA.

I DO AREOLA TATTOOS FOR BREAST CANCER PATIENTS.

I DON'T CHARGE, I DO THAT FOR FREE.

UH, WE DO EYEBROWS AS WELL.

MY A SYSTEM WILL MORE LIKELY TO BE MY DAUGHTER WHO I'M TRAINING TO WORK WITH ME.

AND, UM, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, THIS HAS A NEW CONCEPT.

IT'S GETTING OUT THERE.

NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY GROWING AND, UH, THE MORE PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT FOR IT'S A SOLUTION, IT'S BEEN CHANGING LIVES AND IT'S BEEN HELPING PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE EYEBROWS.

UM, PEOPLE CAN'T SEEM TO GET, GET IT RIGHT.

SO THEY COME HELPING AND I HELP 'EM OUT WITH THAT.

ALSO WITH THE, THE LIP BLUSH.

DONE A COUPLE, COUPLE OF THOSE, NOT TOO MANY, BUT STILL WORKING ON MORE OF THAT.

AND, UH, IT'S JUST THE, THE WAY, UH, HOW ART CAN ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE AND IMPROVE AND CHANGE THINGS.

WE USE A LOT OF PERMANENT INK, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT LASTS LONGER.

WE USE SOME BLUSH OF THE, OF THE NOLE PERMANENT MAYBE ON THE LIPS, BUT MOSTLY PERMANENT STUFF BECAUSE THEY, 'CAUSE IT LASTED LONGER AND THE WOMEN WON'T WANT TO KEEP THAT LOOK AND NOT COME IN FOR MULTIPLE SESSIONS.

AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER.

UM, THANK YOU.

UH, SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD JUST ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMENT THAT STAFF, UM, MADE ABOUT THE TRADITIONAL TATTOOING THAT WAS REPORTED GOING ON.

YES, YES.

UH, USUALLY FOR SCAR COVERUPS OR SOMETHING TO, SOME PEOPLE HAVE SCARRING AND SOMETIMES REGULAR INK DOESN'T, UH, LIKE CAMOUFLAGE INK DOESN'T WORK LIKE SKIN TONE.

SOMETIMES LASER DOESN'T GIVE IT ALL, GET IT ALL.

SO WE PUT SOMETHING BETTER OVER, OR SOMETIMES PEOPLE GOT SCARS, PEOPLE WHO CUT THEMSELVES AND THEY SEE IT THERE.

I HAVE PEOPLE WHO

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I'VE COVERED THOSE, WEAR THOSE AS WELL WITH REGULAR TATTOOS BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE DOESN'T REALLY WORK AND THEY SEE IT EVERY DAY.

SO I'VE DONE THOSE.

SO WHAT, HOW DO WE DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN THAT? I, I MEAN IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS LIMITED TO THE COSMETIC I'M TATTOOING.

WELL, I'M SURE, YEAH.

Y'ALL MADE IT NICE AND CLEAR THAT Y'ALL DON'T WANT THAT IN THERE AND Y'ALL JUST WANT TRADITIONAL, I MEAN, TATTOOING TO NOT BE A PART OF THIS.

YEAH, I CAN SEE THAT.

SO I DO WHATEVER IT MEANS I GOTTA TAKE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN THE RIGHT WAY.

UM, WHAT DID YOU, WERE YOU, WERE YOU GIVEN A CITATION OR, UH, WHAT, WAS THERE ANY WARNING GIVEN OR WAS THIS FROM THE CITY OR, UH, ANY O OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? ABOUT, ABOUT THE TATTOOING, YES.

UH, THE ARTISTIC TATTOO.

THEY CALLED ME DOWN HERE FOR A MEETING AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THEM AND THEY ADDRESSED ME WHAT WAS ALLOWED AND WHAT WASN'T.

YEP, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THEY, THEY GAVE ME, THEY ASKED ME INFORMATION AND STUFF AND, AND UH, UH, TO HELP 'EM KNOWLEDGE OF MORE OF WHAT I DO AND EVERYTHING.

AND THEY, UH, PRESENTED IT HERE, .

SO OBVIOUSLY I, I MEAN, YOU'RE LEASING, YOU WOULD BE LEASING THIS SPACE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

SO, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULD BE SIGNING LIKE A THREE YEAR LEASE OR? YES, SIR.

AND, UH, SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD PUT YOU AT RISK IS SINCE YOU'RE, IT WOULD BE OPERATING THERE ON A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THE COSMETIC, IF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WERE TO, UH, DISCOVER THAT IT WAS FOR ARTISTIC TATTOOING, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD PULL YOUR PERMIT AND THEN, BUT YOU, YOU COULD STILL BE STUCK WITH THE LEASE, UH, HAVING TO MAKE PAYMENTS, BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SPACING LONGER.

SO THAT'S THE RISK OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, UM, THAT YOU COULD BE CAUGHT IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY PERFORM YOUR BUSINESS ANYMORE IF THE CITY WERE TO, TO TERMINATE OR REVOKE THE SPECIAL PERMIT.

SO.

YEAH, I SEE THAT IT MAKE, MAKING IT VERY KNOWN, MR. ROBERTS FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, UM, ASSUMING THAT IT WAS NOT, UH, ARTISTIC TATTOOING, BUT IT WAS INK TATTOOING FOR COSMETIC REASONS.

WHERE DOES THE CITY DRAW THE LINE? I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, UM, AS A GENTLEMAN HERE, THE APPLICANT WAS DESCRIBING WHERE YOU HAVE BULLET WOUNDS AND THINGS THAT MAYBE AREN'T TAKING, UM, TENT OR, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT NEED INK.

I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE.

SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND I KNOW CHRISTINE DID A GREAT JOB OF GIVING A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TYPICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO FORMS. UM, FOR OUR CONSIDERATION, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE LESS ABOUT THE PRODUCT APPLIED.

IT'S MORE THE, THE RESULT, RIGHT? SO, UM, WHETHER IT'S INK OR PIGMENT OR WHATEVER NEW PRODUCT THAT MIGHT GET INTRODUCED TO THE MARKET.

BECAUSE I, UM, IN TALKING WITH MR. TORRES, HE HAD SHARED WITH US, I THINK THERE'S A, A, A NEW PRO A A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COLORING, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S COME HERE RECENTLY.

DIFFERENT INK, A DIFFERENT INK, YES.

SO WE'RE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ASPECT, MORE ABOUT ENSURING THAT IT TRULY IS LIMITED TO THE COSMETIC TATTOOING.

AND IN THOSE SERVICES THAT WE LISTED IN THE CONDITION THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, UM, TRYING TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE COSMETIC TATTOOING AND THE SERVICES THAT, UH, MR. TORRES IS REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WITH THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND THE DELINEATION FROM OUR ARTISTIC TATTOOING, THAT THAT IS A FINE LINE.

AND SO, UM, THE ARTISTIC TATTOOING THAT IS THAT YOU, YOUR, YOUR REGULAR BODY ART THAT YOU MAY SEE DISPLAYED ON PERSONS, UM, UM, SOME PEOPLE PREFER TO KEEP IT DISCREET, BUT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THAT TRADITIONAL ARTISTIC TATTOOING FROM THE COSMETIC.

AND SO WITH RESPECT TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT TO BENEFIT MR. TORRES, WE TRIED TO LIST OUT THOSE SERVICES THAT WE DEEMED THAT FALL IN LINE WITH THE COSMETIC TATTOOING AS, AS LISTED HERE IN WORKING WITH HIM TO UNDERSTAND HIS BUSINESS SO THAT HE'S AT LEAST ABLE TO DO THESE SERVICES BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COSMETIC APPLICATION.

OF FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN MR. TORRES THAT HAS TO BE DEMONSTRATED ON HIS PART THAT HE'S NOT DOING THE ARTISTIC TATTOOING.

UM, BUT IT'S, THERE, THERE IS A, A LEVEL

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YOU'RE WELCOME.

I HAVE A LETTER FROM AN OFFICER NAMED DANIEL BARTIS IN THE, IN THE PAPERS RIGHT THERE DESCRIBING HIS, UH, ENCOUNTERS WITH ME AND HOW I HELPED HIM WITH MY CREATIVE TALENTS.

HE'S GOTTEN BOTH, BOTH SESSIONS OF S AND P FOR ME AND HE IS GOTTEN COSMETIC TO TATTOO AND TO COVER SOME SCARS.

I LOOKED HIM, I LOOKED HIM UP.

HE LOOKS GOOD.

, CAN I ASK YOU HOW YOU LEARNED YOUR CRAFT SPECIALTY? YEAH.

WELL I'VE BEEN AN ARTIST ALL MY LIFE.

IT JUST COME TO ME NATURALLY.

I CAN PAINT, WORK WITH CLAY, DRAW ANYTHING.

I MAKE COSTUMES.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEE BODY PAINT IN THERE.

'CAUSE I'VE DONE THAT.

UH, I'M DOING IT FOR SHOWS, EVENTS AND EVERYTHING.

THEY LOOKED DOWN ON MY INSTAGRAM AND THEY SAW THAT I DO THAT.

BUT I'VE MOSTLY DO IT FOR SHOWS AND EVENTS AND WHATEVER THEY PAY ME TO DO.

OH, WE MAY NEED TO UPGRADE OUR PARTIES WITH SOME BODY PAINT AROUND HERE.

UH, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY.

YEAH, SO I'M JUST AN ARTIST ALL AROUND.

I'VE BEEN, BEEN AN ARTIST ALL MY LIFE.

I USED TO PAINT CARS.

THAT'S ALL I KNOW HOW TO DO IS CREATE ART AND UH, AND HELP AND I FIGURE OUT HOW TO HELP PEOPLE WITH IT, MANY PEOPLE.

SO I JUST FIND IT'S ANOTHER AVENUE OF HOW TO EXPRESS MY ARTISTIC WAYS AND ABILITY.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

COMMISSIONER QUIRK, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY FOR STAFF, I WOULD ASSUME THE SPECIAL PERMIT THAT HE PREVIOUSLY HAD ON COTTONWOOD HAD THE SAME SIMILAR LANGUAGE.

IS THAT YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

I BELIEVE IT DIDN'T HAVE, I THINK, I THINK THE LANGUAGE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL OTHER SERVICES, YOU KNOW, NOT LISTED HERE, UH, WOULD BE PROHIBITED.

BUT WE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT TRADITIONAL ARTISTIC TATTOOING, BODY PAINTING AND BODY PIERCING JUST TO COVER ALL BASES, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY POSSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REGULATIONS AGAINST THAT.

THANKS.

UH, JUST FOR CLARIFY, SINCE I WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WAS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING ACTUALLY OPENED FOR THIS OR WAS IT JUST TABLE NO, IT WAS NOT RESCHEDULED.

UH, THIS IS, IT IS LISTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS.

WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO ASSUMING THERE'S NO ONE TO COME FORWARD, BUT JUST AS A FORMALITY, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

UM, AND, UH, SO SEEING, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UH, THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN WRITING IN OUR PACKET.

UH, I THINK THERE WERE THREE OR FOUR IN FAVOR AND ONE IN OPPOSITION.

THREE IN SUPPORT AND ONE IN OPPOSITION.

SO, UM, ANY FINAL COMMENTS ON YOUR PART, MR. TORRES? UM, NO, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST.

I MEAN, UH, I THINK ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE.

I HOPE YOU, UH, HOPE Y'ALL SEEN WHAT I HAVE AND I HOPE Y'ALL LIKE WHAT I, WHAT I CAN DO AND HAVE THE OFFER.

AND IF YOU GOT TO, UH, CHECK IT OUT, .

SO I'D MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER QUIRK.

SO ALL IN FAVOR CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

COMMENTS, MOTIONS.

UM, I HAVE A COMMENT.

UM, SOME OF THE, UM, COSMETIC, I GUESS TATTOOING IS THE RIGHT TERM THAT, UH, MR. TORRES DOES, I'M COMPLETELY UNFAMILIAR WITH, BUT, UM, THE RELIEF THAT'S PROVIDED TO, UH, CANCER TREATMENTS.

MY MOM WAS A THREE TIME CANCER, BREAST CANCER SURVIVOR, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT CAN PROVIDE A LOT OF RELIEF, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE CAN BE A LOT OF VALUE, YOU KNOW, IN, UM, IN THE COSMETIC TATTOOING.

THAT'S MY COMMENT.

UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ZONING FILE 25 24 AS PRESENTED COMMISSIONER MCC COURT.

I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK.

CONGRATULATIONS.

IS, UH, STAFF REPORT ON PENDING DEVELOPMENT, ZONING PERMITS, AND PLANNING MATTERS.

AND THIS ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION ON FEBRUARY 23RD, MR. TORRES, FEBRUARY 23RD.

[4. Staff report on pending development, zoning permits, and planning matters.]

ITEM ON OUR AGENDA

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UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, SO AS FAR AS AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, THE CASES THAT ARE MOVING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, SO RICHLAND PARK APARTMENTS THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON, UH, JANUARY 26TH, BUT WAS RESCHEDULED DUE TO THE IMPACTS OF THE WINTER STORM.

UM, SO THAT'S NOW GONNA BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 9TH.

UM, IN ADDITION ON FEBRUARY 9TH, UM, THE COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARDS WILL BE PRESENTED.

UM, THERE ARE SEVEN RECIPIENTS THIS YEAR.

UM, SO WE THANK, UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, SHAHE AND, UM, UH, VICE CHAIRMAN THOMASON FOR, UM, FURTHER INVOLVEMENT IN THIS YEAR'S, UH, PROGRAM.

UM, SO IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO ATTEND IF YOU'D LIKE.

UM, AND THEN ON FEBRUARY 23RD, UM, THE COSMETIC TATTOOING CASE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD ALONG WITH, UM, HOPEFULLY APOLLO MIDDLE SCHOOL, UM, THAT WAS TABLED BY CITY COUNCIL, UH, I BELIEVE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

SO THAT, THAT WILL BE HEARD ON FEBRUARY 23RD TENTATIVELY.

AND THEN, UM, MARCH 9TH, UM, THAT IS THE DATE THAT'S TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR RICHARDSON WEST, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE MORE, UH, CASE THAT'S COME THROUGH.

UM, IT'S A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT CENTER ON LOCKWOOD, UM, THAT THEY'RE REQUIRING A SPECIAL PERMIT IN ORDER TO OPERATE.

AND SO THAT'S, UH, TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED TO MOVE, UH, FORWARD TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION IN MARCH.

UM, SO WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THAT.

AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO TINA NOW TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL.

SO LAST NIGHT AT CITY COUNCIL, UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION RELATED TO CITY COUNCIL'S DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES.

UM, THERE WAS TWO, KIND OF TWO PARTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PRESENTATION.

THE FIRST WAS REALLY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND ZONING, ALSO BY CERTAIN OR RICHARDSON'S APPROACH TO ZONING AND THE CERTAIN APPLICATION TYPES THAT COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION APPROVAL, WHICH YOU ALL SEE, UM, ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THOSE CASES AS WELL.

AND THEN WE HAD A FACILITATE A DISCUSSION RELATED TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES AND, AND WE HAD THREE QUESTIONS THAT WE POSED TO COUNCIL TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON.

UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU HAVE TIME TO POSSIBLY GO IN AND LISTEN TO THAT DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED IN THAT, IN THAT PRESENTATION.

UM, IT, IT WAS SOME GOOD DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD, UM, BE, UH, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF IS THERE WAS, UM, UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM CITY COUNCIL FOR US TO DO A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE, A NEW CONFERENCES ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE EXPERIENCE CURRENTLY WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND SO, UM, WE WILL BE GOING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 9TH TO HAVE A SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION REGARDING WHAT THAT POTENTIALLY COULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN INCLUDING ADDRESSING SOME OF THEIR REMAINING COUNCIL, UM, TACTICS AS IT RELATES TO ZONING AND LAND USE DEVELOPMENT HERE WITHIN THE CITY.

AND MY APOLOGIES, I SHOULD HAVE PREFACED THIS ALSO, THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES, UM, DISCUSSION WAS A RESULT OF, UM, UH, ONE COUNCIL'S TACTICS THAT THEY HAD ON THEIR LIST.

UM, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THAT PRESENTATION, ITEM NUMBER ONE ON, ON THE TACTICS LIST IS WHAT WE WERE ADDRESSING.

BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE CONFERENCES ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE TO ADDRESS SOME OF COUNCIL'S OTHER TACTICS, UM, ALSO THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR FURTHERING IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR RECENTLY ADOPTED ENVISION RICHARDSON CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

SO, UM, AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PRESENTATION.

UM, IT, UM, IN, IN THAT DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED AND, AND YOU CAN HEAR SOME OF THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM CITY COUNCIL, IT SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER FUN PROJECT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE WORKING ON.

IT WILL BE SO, UM, IF, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN BEING ABLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, UM, IT, IT IS A, A PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL TAKE US ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IT.

SO, BUT IT'S, UM, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY BE ABLE TO, UM, MODERNIZE OUR ZONING, UM, AND SOME OF THE APPLICATION TYPES THAT COME BEFORE YOU WITH CERTAIN LAND USES THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY USES THAT MAY HAVE EVOLVED THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH SOME PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

UM, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THAT PRESENTATION IS JUST EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST THREE YEARS, THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL PERMITS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE PROCESSED, THEY REALLY DEMONSTRATE THE CHALLENGES IN, IN AREAS WHERE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS, IS BROKEN.

OUR CONFERENCES ZONING ORDINANCES WHEN, UM, BECAUSE IN THOSE ORDINANCES WE ADDRESS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE EXPERIENCE UNDER OUR CONFERENCES ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR ORDINANCE WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 1956.

IT'S BEEN AMENDED TO HAVE CONSISTENCY WITH STATE STATUTE, BUT WE HAVEN'T EVER DONE ANY SIGNIFICANT WORK ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS EVOLUTION OF USES IN, IN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, WITH PROJECTS THAT WE SEE COMING BEFORE YOU.

SOME OF OUR MORE SIGNIFICANT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN OUR ENHANCEMENT REDEVELOPMENT AREAS, MAIN STREET, CENTRAL COLLINS, ARAPAHOE, UM, AND THEN EVEN, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN CITY LINE, THOSE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS ARE, ARE REALLY MORE CURRENT THAN

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SO HE HENCE WHY I ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, IF YOU HAVE SOME TIME, UM, IT WAS ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF DISCUSSION, SO MAKE SOME TIME, UM, OR YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADJUST THE SETTING AND, AND LISTEN TO IT MORE QUICKLY.

BUT I THINK, UH, YOU'LL FIND THAT, UM, UH, THERE'S SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION AND SOME INSIGHT IN THAT FROM, FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH CITY COUNCIL.

RIGHT NOW, UM, DOES, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED FOR THE 17TH.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, WE WILL SEE IF THERE'S A, THERE, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PLAT, UM, BUT WE SHOULD KNOW BY THE END OF THIS WEEK IF, UM, IF THERE'LL BE SOMETHING READY TO MOVE FORWARD FOR THE 17TH OR NOT.

BUT OTHERWISE, YEAH, I THINK, UM, MARCH 3RD IS PROBABLY THE MORE LIKELY DAY THAT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING.

AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S JUST A SPECIAL PERMIT ON MARCH 3RD.

THAT'S CORRECT.