* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. AT 6:00 PM [00:00:02] UH, AT THIS POINT I WILL CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBER ARFIN, UH, TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE. COUNCILMAN, PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION. DEAR GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS AND THE MOST MERCIFUL, WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS OF THIS DAY AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. GRANT US WISDOM IN OUR DECISIONS, COMPASSION IN OUR ACTIONS, AND UNITY IN OUR PURPOSE. PROTECT OUR CITY, BLESS OUR FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORS, AND GUIDE US TO LEAD WITH FAIRNESS, HUMILITY, AND RESPECT. MAY ALL THAT WE DO BRING PEACE AND GOODNESS TO THOSE WE SERVE. I MEAN, NOW I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG, FLAG OF AND THE REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. FOR HONOR, THAT TEXAS FLAG FLAG I PLEDGE TO TODAY, TEXAS, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND IVIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER INE. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. WE'RE DOING IT JUST A TINY BIT OUTTA ORDER 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF GUESTS AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, UH, SHOWER THEM WITH PRAISE BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA. SO [3. COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARDS PRESENTATION ] ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARDS PRESENTATION. MR. MAGNER, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, WE ARE SO EXCITED TO WELCOME ALL OF, UH, OUR RECIPIENTS OF THIS YEAR'S COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARDS. UH, WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE FOR YOU MAKING, UH, TIME TO COME. UH, LET US, UH, CELEBRATE YOUR INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, MAYOR, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, LOGISTICS HERE. UM, YOU SEE WE HAVE A UNIQUE SETUP TONIGHT AROUND, AROUND THE DAIS. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, UM, AS, UH, THE JUDGES OF, UH, THIS YEAR'S, UH, AWARDS WHO KEITH WILL INTRODUCE HERE SHORTLY. UH, THEY'LL, UH, ALL THREE WILL, UH, TAKE THEIR PLACE AT THE PODIUM, WILL CALL UP, UH, ONE WINNER, UH, AT A TIME. AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, SO COUNSEL, IF YOU COULD STAND TO THIS SIDE WHEN, UM, THE, UM, JUDGES ARE, ARE READING THE NOMINEES, UH, BACKGROUND INFORMATION. AND THEN WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS AFTER EACH UH, UH, GROUP, UH, GROUP IS RECOGNIZED, WE'LL TAKE ONE INDIVIDUAL PICTURE WITH THAT WHOLE GROUP OF RECIPIENTS, AND THEN AT THE VERY END, WE'LL INVITE EVERYBODY BACK UP AND TAKE ONE LARGE, UH, GROUP PICTURE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, MAYOR, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR, UM, WHAT, KEITH, FOUR DECADES NOW, 31 YEARS. WOW. UM, AND, UH, IT'S BEEN AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY STRATEGY, UM, THAT, UH, WE, UH, REALLY, UH, TAKE THE REINVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATE, UH, WHEN THAT OCCURS. WE'RE A CITY THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY BUILT OUT, AND SO REDEVELOPMENT AND REINVENTING OURSELF IS GONNA BE, UH, WHAT WE'RE ABOUT AS AS WE CONTINUE, UH, TO, TO REALLY MAKE THIS COMMUNITY EVEN, UH, GREATER AND, UH, MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN IT IS TODAY. AND KEITH HAS BEEN A GREAT, UM, UH, CUSTODIAN OF THIS PROGRAM FOR MANY YEARS AND HAS REALLY SHEPHERDED IT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. AND SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KEITH, UH, TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND TO INTRODUCE THE JUDGES, AND THEN WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO THE RECOGNITIONS. THANK YOU, KEITH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, UH, MR. MAGNER FOR THE INTRODUCTION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MAR AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. IT IS, UH, WONDERFUL TO BE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE 2025 COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AWARDS. UH, THE PROGRAM, UH, RECOGNIZES OWNERS AND BUSINESSES WHO HAVE ENHANCED THE COMMUNITY BY MAKING SIGNIFICANT EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR, UH, PROPERTY. IT WAS LAUNCHED IN, UH, 1994 BY THE COUNCIL, AND WE'VE HAD NEARLY 350 RECIPIENTS SINCE THE PROGRAM BEGAN. UM, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WE HAVE EACH YEAR IS COMPRISED OF TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, TWO CITY PLAN COMMISSIONERS, AND A MEMBER FROM THE, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF, UH, REVITALIZATION WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENTS TO PROPERTIES OR STRUCTURES THAT HALT OR REVERSES DECLINE. UH, EXEMPLARY LEVEL OF REFURBISHMENT PREVENTS DECLINE BEFORE IT BEGINS. WE CAN ALSO HAVE, UM, AS YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT, TOTAL REDEVELOPMENT OF A PROPERTY OR STRUCTURE. I, YOU KNOW, TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD. AND WE ALSO HAVE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT'S EXEMPLARY NEW DEVELOPMENT ON A VACANT PARCEL IN AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD OR DISTRICT. UH, HERE'S A, A MAP SHOWING THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR RECIPIENTS THROUGH THE YEAR. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS FOR EACH DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF, UH, WINNER. TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA BE RECOGNIZING SEVEN ADDITIONAL, UH, RECIPIENTS, UH, RANGING FROM INFILL REBUILDS AND RENOVATION. UM, THE EVENING COULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THOSE, UH, SELECTION COMMITTEE VOLUNTEERS. UH, NOMINATIONS, UH, WERE RECEIVED FROM, UH, BUILDERS, NEIGHBORS, AND [00:05:01] STAFF. UM, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, CAME TOGETHER FOR AN AFTERNOON TO REVIEW THE NOMINATIONS AND CHOOSE THE TOP PROJECTS FOR RECOGNITION. SO AT THIS TIME, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, INTRODUCE OUR SELECTION COMMITTEE. UH, WE HAD FIVE MEMBERS THIS YEAR, BUT UNFORTUNATELY TWO OF OUR MEMBERS, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE, UH, JERRY THOMASON, SORRY, JEREMY THOMASON AND KRISTEN SACK, UH, CANNOT BE HERE THIS EVENING. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, THE REST OF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND, UH, PREACH THAT FORWARD AS I INTRODUCE YOU. UH, FIRST IS MAYOR PRO TEM KEN HUTCHIN, RIDER, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CURTIS DORIAN AND OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, PRESIDENT AND CEO JULIE SNYDER. ALRIGHT, AND IF THE REST OF THIS COUNCIL AND MR. MAYOR, IF YOU COULD JOIN US UP HERE ON THE SIDE. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CURTIS, UH, DORIAN WITH THE FIRST AWARD. THANK YOU, KEITH. AND THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. OUR FIRST AWARD GOES TO A NEW OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED ON ALIA ROAD SOUTH OF CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD IN THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE FORMER TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM, BUCKINGHAM, TEXAS. FORMERLY THE SITE OF A SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH. THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN VACATED SINCE EARLY 2020. THE NEW THREE 3,746 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING FEATURES A STREET FACING PORT SHARE WITH SEVERAL SUITES AVAILABLE FOR TENANTS AND OUR SELECTION COMMITTEE DELIBERATIONS, WE FOUND THAT THE NEW BUILDING IS SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, PROVIDING A CLASSIC AND CLEAN DESIGN. PLEASE WELCOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM ELOHIM INVESTMENTS AND MY REDEEMER HEALTHCARE SERVICES TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OH, YEAH. UM, MAYOR PRO TEMAN, COUNCILMAN DORE, PLEASE JOIN THE COUNCIL AND WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE. JULIE? YEAH. CAN WE SHIFT EVERYONE JUST LIKE ONE STEP? SURE. ALL, JUST ONE OR OUR FIRST RESIDENTIAL RECIPIENT IS THE PATEL RESIDENCE ON POLK STREET IN THE HIGHLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEW ONE STORY CONTEMPORARY HOME REPLACES A HOME BUILT IN THE 1950S. THE NEW HOME DESIGN INCLUDES A TWO CAR GARAGE AND RELOCATES THE DRIVEWAY TO THE FURTHER FROM THE INTERSECTION WITH VICKI LANE OR VICKI DRIVE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR EASIER ACCESS FOR THE HOME. IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE NOTED THAT THE CORNER LOT PROVIDES HIGHER VISIBILITY TO THE HOME, WHILE THE SMALLER SCALE IS HARMONIOUS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS ECLECTIC CHARACTER. PLEASE WELCOME THE PATEL FAMILY TO RECEIVE THEIR AWARD. IF, ARE THEY HERE? IF NOT, I'LL RECEIVE IT ON THEIR BEHALF. , THEY WERE UNABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THIS TO THEM. SHOULD WE STILL TAKE A PICTURE OR NO, JUST, OKAY. SIX IS YOUR SCRIPT. OH, THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. I LOVED DOING THIS, BY THE WAY. OUR NEXT AWARD THIS EVENING IS FOR THE MITCHELL RESIDENTS ON OWENS BOULEVARD IN THE CHERYL PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. A SECOND STORY ALONG WITH NEW DORMERS AND A PORCH EXTENSION WAS ADDED TO THE 1994 HOME. IN ADDITION, THE BRICK WAS PAINTED AND NEW WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED. WE FELT THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS STAND OUT, ADDING VALUE AND INSPIRATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO AT THIS TIME, PLEASE WELCOME ADAM AND DENISE MITCHELL TO RECEIVE THEIR CERTIFICATE. [00:10:13] CONGRATULATIONS. IT'S OUR FOURTH AWARD, GOES TO THE WONG RESIDENCE ON SCOTTSBORO LANE, ALSO IN CHERYL PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. THE UPDATES TO THIS 1978 RANCH HOME INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF A SECOND STORY, A NEW STANDING SEAM ROOF, AND UPGRADED WINDOWS. IN ADDITION, THE FRONT PORCH WAS REDESIGNED AND INCLUDES A WIDER FRONT DOOR, BLACK TRIM AND NATURAL WOOD ACCENTS. ROUND OUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THE MULTIPLE MATERIALS AND DETAILS UTILIZED IN THE ADDITION STOOD OUT IN OUR CONSIDERATION FROM THE BLACK FRAMED WINDOWS TO THE MODERN FRONT DOOR. HERE TO ACCEPT THEIR AWARD IS A WONG FAMILY, ALONG WITH THEIR BUILDER, DANIELA MENDOZA FROM BUILDERS TX SOLUTIONS. COME ON. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. OUR FIFTH AWARD IS FOR THE HILL RESIDENCE ON OVER CREEK DRIVE IN THE CANYON CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. A NEW TWO STORY CONTEMPORARY HOME WITH CREAM COLORED BRICK AND STONE REPLACED THE 1969 VINTAGE RANCH. NEW LANDSCAPING THAT PRESERVE ESTABLISHED TREES ALONG WITH A STONE WALKWAY COMPLETE THE PROJECT. WE APPRECIATED THE COMBINATION OF STONE AND BRICK UTILIZED IN THE CONSTRUCTION WITH THE NEW WALKWAY AND PORCH, PROVIDING AN INVITING ENTRANCE TO THE HOME. PLEASE WELCOME THE HILL FAMILY AND THEIR CONTRACTORS FROM FAIRVIEW CUSTOM HOMES. JOE AND DREW RIO. THANK. ALL RIGHT, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ONE HERE. ALRIGHT, [00:15:03] OUR LAST RESIDENTIAL AWARD IS FOR THE MITCHELL RESIDENCE ON CAP ROCK DRIVE IN CANYON CREEK. A NEW SINGLE STORY CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME WAS BUILT ON A LOT THAT HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE THE LATE 2015. FOLLOWING A FIRE, THE LARGE COVERED FRONT PORCH WITH WHITE COLUMNS PROVIDES AMPLE SPACE FOR LINGERING OUTSIDE NEW LANDSCAPING. THAT INCLUDES THE PRESERVATION OF ESTABLISHED TREES, ROUNDS OUT THE PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS. WE FOUND THE BUNGALOW, A NICE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CREATING SOMETHING CLASSIC. PLEASE WELCOME MATT MITCHELL OF JAMES ANDREWS CUSTOM HOMES, WHO IS THE OWNER AND BUILDER, ALONG WITH ROBIN AND SHIRLEY MITCHELL TO ACCEPT THE AWARD. CONGRATULATIONS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. COME ON OVER. FIX TIME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OUR FINAL AWARD OF THE EVENING GOES TO THE BELT AND MAIN MIXED USE PROJECT IN THE RICHARDSON CORE DISTRICT. THIS MIXED USED INFILL DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATES LAND FORMERLY USED AS PARKING FOR THE CHASE BANK BUILDING, ALONG WITH LAND THAT WAS ONCE HOME TO A TRANSMISSION SHOP. THE NEW DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES 350 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND NEARLY 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND RESTAURANT SPACE. THE INTEGRATED GARAGE PROVIDES PARKING FOR BOTH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THE PUBLIC. THIS CATALYST PROJECT IS A START OF WHAT DOWNTOWN NEEDS, CREATING A DESTINATION WITH ITS ACTIVATED GROUND FLOOR AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY FRONTAGE ON MAIN STREET. PLEASE WELCOME THE TEAMS FROM CATALYST URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND KYLE RE RESIDENTIAL TO RECEIVE THE AWARD. DON'T EVERYBODY GET SHOT. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS AS WELL. YOU BROUGHT THE WHOLE TEAM OUT. I, SO TO THE REST OF, UH, THE RECIPIENTS TONIGHT. ONCE THIS PICTURE IS TAKEN, WE'RE GONNA INVITE EVERYBODY UP SO THEY'LL HOLD HERE. UM, AND JUST ONE MORE NOTE, AFTER THAT FINAL GROUP PICTURE IS TAKEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A SHORT RECESS SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN CONGRATULATE YOU AGAIN AND, AND THEN WE CAN, UH, UH, MAKE, HAVE YOU HAVE YOU BE ABLE TO TAKE AN ORDERLY LEAVE. ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY COME BACK UP PLEASE. CAN EVERYONE RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU, DID YOU WANNA COME OVER HERE? IS THAT RIGHT? 3, 2, 1. I TAKE ONE LAST [00:20:02] 5, 3, 2, 1. YEAH, IF YOU WANT MAYBE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA RECESS THIS MEETING FOR ABOUT THREE MINUTES, SO WE'LL GO TO 6 25 ON THE RECESS. I AM JUST LIKE, WE'LL, UH, THAT WAY WE, WE'LL SEE HOW TURN . OH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BE COMING RIGHT OUTTA RECESS AT 6:25 PM AND, UH, [4. MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 2, 2026 MEETING ] WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH ARE THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026 MEETING. MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES AS PUBLISHED. WE HAVE A MOTION COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, I'LL SECOND THAT. MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THEN WE PASS THAT UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO [5. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM ] ITEM NUMBER FIVE NOW, WHICH ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL CARDS THAT WE RECEIVED IN ADVANCE OF THE, UH, DEADLINE THIS AFTERNOON, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE, AND THEN I'LL READ THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR OUR, UM, COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS IN VISITORS FORUM. UM, ALL OF THE, UH, FOLLOWING, UM, COMMENT CARDS, [00:25:01] WHICH SUBMITTED ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. UH, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT, UM, THE FINAL CARD IS ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC, SO I'LL MENTION THAT. UH, SO FIRST IS WINNIE HENSON TH UH, 1235 DALHART. AGAIN, TOPIC, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGAINST DEBRA ANN NUIT, SEVEN 10 DUMONT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, AGAINST JULIE MITCHELL. 1120 MIDWAY DRIVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, POSITION IS AGAINST, UH, WILLIAM TIMMONS 33 0 3 TAM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGAINST JENNIFER DALE, SID, 1226 CHIPPEWA DRIVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGAINST SEAN CORTEZ MATHIS, 1309 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGAINST JUDITH CAMPBELL. RIDER, 3007 WINDHAM LANE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGAINST SARAH CASEY. 1608 BAYLOR DRIVE. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AGAINST, UH, JULIE KOCH TH UH, 32 13 TIMBO SHAND LANE. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AGAINST PETER WILLIAMS, 36 12 CHRISTOPHER LANE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AGAINST. AND THEN FINALLY, TIMOTHY PHILLIPS 25 25 EMPIRE DRIVE. THE TOPIC IS ASSESSMENT OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ON NON-INCOME GENERATING LEASED VEHICLES, AND THE POSITION IS AGAINST, UH, MAYOR. I'LL MENTION HERE THAT, UM, UM, STAFF HAS, UH, FOLLOWED UP WITH MR. PHILLIPS TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THIS CARD ACTUALLY CAME IN JUST BEYOND THE DEADLINE LAST WEEK, AND SO WE DIDN'T WANNA WAIT THE FULL WEEK TO RESPOND. SO STAFF HAS ALREADY RESPONDED TO MR. PHILLIPS, BUT A COPY OF HIS COMMENTS ARE HERE FOR, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW AS WELL. UM, LET ME, AS I MENTIONED, LET ME READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY SECRETARY, MS. MEER, TO CALL THE SPEAKERS. UM, DURING THIS PORTION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, 30 MINUTES IS ALLOCATED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. UH, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE DO HAVE ONE TONIGHT, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED. IF THERE'S TIME LEFT DURING THE INITIAL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITORS' FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS REACHED, AND SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITORS' FORUM SCHEDULED AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS. WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY. SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS. SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION SPEAKERS, SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC, OR ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS BY INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE. SPEAKER. THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMERCE OR QUESTIONS. THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, A POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER. AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE, AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONE FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. MS. EMER, MAYOR, I HAVE 14 CARDS. JAMES IRMAN? YES. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR OMAR AND DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, I AM HERE, UM, IN OPPOSITION TO, UM, AGENDA ITEM EIGHT. AND, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S, UM, ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, I'M AN ATTORNEY AND, UH, DETERMINE THAT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, IT IS, UH, ILLEGAL AND FOR THE REASONS BEING SEVERAL. UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, HOME RULE CITIES HAVE BROUGHT POWERS, BUT THEY CANNOT ENACT ORDINANCES THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH STATUTES OR CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS. UH, THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION AT ARTICLE 11, SECTION FIVE CLEARLY STATES THAT THE HOME RULE POWERS EXIST ONLY IF NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OR GENERAL LAWS. AND TEXAS COURTS HAVE CONSISTENTLY UPHELD THIS PRINCIPLE, UM, IN BCCA APPEAL GROUP VERSUS THE CITY OF HOUSTON. THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT HELD SUCH ORDINANCES ARE INVALID WHEN PREEMPTED OR INCONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. UH, UH, NOTABLY, TEXAS HAS ALREADY LEGISLATED WHEN CANDIDACY CANDIDACY FOR ANOTHER OFFICE TRIGGERS RESIGNATION. UH, TEXAS CONSTITUTIONAL ART ARTICLE 16, SECTION 65 A B PROVIDES THAT CERTAIN LOCAL OFFICE HOLDERS AUTOMATICALLY RESIGN IF THEY ANNOUNCED CANDIDACY FOR ANOTHER OFFICE WHEN MORE THAN A YEAR REMAINS [00:30:01] IN THEIR CURRENT ROOM. HOWEVER, THE PROVISION DOES NOT APPLY TO EVERY OFFICE HOLDER, AND IT HAS SPECIFIC EXEMPTIONS. UH, CITY COUN COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NOT COVERED BY SECTION 65, AND THEREFORE, THE RE RICHARDSON, UH, RICHARDSON CANNOT EXPAND AND LEGISL ITS OWN VERSION TO CREATE AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION. THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION AT 65 A UM, LISTS SEVERAL OFFICE OFFICES AND OFFICE HOLDERS THAT I'VE PROVIDED ON THE HANDOUT THAT YOU CAN SEE. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NOT MENTIONED AND THEREFORE THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED. AND ANY ORDINANCE OR, UM, CITY CHARTER, UM, AMENDMENT THAT WOULD INCLUDE THEM, UH, RETROACTIVELY, UM, WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THIS PRINCIPLE AND ILLEGAL. UM, FURTHERMORE, THERE'S NO STATUTORY, UH, THERE'S NO, UM, AMBIGUITY IN THE STATUTE. UM, THE CITY CANNOT CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION TO REMOVE AN OFFICIAL SIMPLY FOR DECLARING FEDERAL CANDIDACY. TEXAS HAS PROVIDED A SPECIFIC ME MECHANISMS FOR REMOVING LOCAL OFFICIALS, AND THEY'RE ALREADY SET FORTH IN THE CITY CHARTER AT SECTIONS 5 0 1 THROUGH 5 0 5. OTHER CHALLENGES TO THE ELIGIBILITY RIGHT TO OFFICE GENERALLY MUST PROCEED, UM, COURT WARRANT TO WHICH MEANS BY WHAT AUTHORITY, UM, UH, UNDERTAKEN BY THE STATE IF THERE IS A REASON FOR DISQUALIFICATION. IN ADDITION, STATES MUNICIPALITIES CANNOT IMPOSE ADDITIONAL BURDENS THAT EFFECTIVELY DETER DISQUALIFIED CANDIDACY IN ADDITION TO TEXAS LAW AND US TERM LIMITS VERSUS THORNTON, UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, 1995, IT HELD STATES CANNOT ADD QUALIFICATIONS FOR FEDERAL OFFICE. HERE, AN ORDINANCE THAT STRIPS A LOCAL OFFICE SOLELY BECAUSE SOMEONE RUNS FOR CONGRESS IS AN IMPER PENALTY ON FEDERAL CANDIDACY, AND ONE THAT WOULD BE LIKELY BE ARGUED AND FOUND TO DISENFRANCHISE VOTERS. CITY CHARTER 5 0 1 CURRENTLY EXPRESSLY PROVIDES THAT NEITHER THE CITY, NEITHER THE COUNCIL NOR ANY OF ITS COMMITTEES OR MEMBERS SHALL DICTATE OR ATTEMPT TO DICTATE THE REMOVAL OF ANY PERSON FROM OFFICE. RICHARDSON ALREADY HAS A RECALL VEHICLE. THE ACT OF DRAFTING AND ORDINANCE THAT CALLS FOR VOTERS TO AFFECT A RECALL OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT FRAMEWORK IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. ELECTED OFFICIALS POLL OFFICE AS A RESULT OF VOTING CHOICE AND REMOVAL PROCEDURES ARE STRICTLY CONSTRUED. ARBITRARY MIDTERM REMOVAL WITHOUT STATUTORY AUTHORITY INTERFERES WITH THE ELECTORATE'S SELECTION, AND I CITED A CASE. IN ADDITION, UM, THERE ARE FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL CLAIMS, UH, MUNICIPAL ACTION, UH, PENALIZED CANDIDACY FOR CONGRESS AND IMPLICATES FEDERAL LAW CONDITIONING, CONTINUED LOCAL SERVICE AND REFRAINING FROM FEDERAL CANDIDACY FUNCTIONS. UM, AS AN ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATION OR DETERRENT BURDEN RUNNING FOR FEDERAL OFFICE IS PROTECTED POLITICAL ACTIVITY. POTENTIAL CLAIMS INCLUDE A RETALIATORY BURDEN ON POLITICAL EXPRESSION AND VIEWPOINT DISCRIMINATION. WHEN AN ORDINANCE TARGETS SPECIFIC CANDIDATE OR CLASS HERE, THE ORDINANCE HAS NEVER BEEN CONSIDERED OR PASSED BEFORE FOR ANY OTHER CANDIDATE. AND WE HAVE CURRENTLY A, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO IS RUNNING FOR US CONGRESS, SO THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE DEEMED TO HAVE SINGLED OUT HIM AND TO HAVE CREATED AN ARBITRARY REMOVAL PROCEDURE. UH, MY TIME IS UP. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND I URGE THE, UH, CITY AND THE COUNCIL TO, UM, NOT APPROVE THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU, MR. HERMAN. CHRISTY, OR, I'M SORRY, CHRISTY CORTEZ. MATHIS. AND NEXT WILL BE PATRICIA GRIFFIN. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL AND REPRESENTATIVE. THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, FOR ALLOWING US TO, TO SPEAK TONIGHT. UM, WELL, I AM NOT A LAWYER. UM, IN READING THIS, MS. MATHIS, DO YOU MIND, UH, GIVING YOUR ADDRESS? OH, YES. 1309 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, AND, UM, WHAT I HAVE FOUND IN LOOKING AT THIS IS I JUST FEEL LIKE TO HAVE IT BE RETROACTIVE IS KIND OF CHANGING THE RULES OF THE GAME MIDWAY THROUGH THE GAME. THE OTHER PIECE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, AND WHILE I I APPRECIATE THAT IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE, IS THAT IF THE, IF OUR PERSON IS TO HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY RESIGN THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD, UM, CHOOSE WHO MY REPRESENTATIVE IS. I VOTED FOR MY REPRESENTATIVE AND I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR MY REPRESENTATIVE. UM, SO THAT'S THE PIECE THAT I AM REALLY URGING AS FAR AS THIS, UM, AGENDA EIGHT, UM, THE RESIGN TO RUN AMENDMENT IS ABOUT. I I REALLY URGE YOU GUYS TO OPPOSE THAT, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. MS. CORTEZ MATHIS. [00:35:02] I'M PAT PAT GRIFFIN, 4 4 1 VALLEY GLEN DRIVE. LAST WEEK I WAS HERE AND I SUBMITTED A WRITTEN COMMENT OPPOSING THE RETROACTIVE VERSION OF THE RESIGN TO RUN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CHARTER. I USUALLY LIVE STREAM THIS MEETINGS, IT'S WAY MORE CONVENIENT, BUT THE DISADVANTAGES ICU AND YOU DON'T SEE ME AND SOMETIMES THINGS ARE IMPORTANT ENOUGH SO THAT WE NEED TO SHOW UP. AND HERE I AM, HERE ARE MY CONCERNS. FIRST, THE LANGUAGE OF THE AMENDMENT AS I'VE READ IT, IS OPAQUE. THE RETROACTIVE VERSION OF THE AMENDMENT AMOUNTS TO A RECALL OF A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER. AND I QUESTION WHETHER THE WORDING ON THE BALLOT WILL MAKE THAT CLEAR. I SAW A DISCUSSION THIS MORNING ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE. UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE AMENDMENTS TO THIS CHARTER HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED ON FACEBOOK, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION. UH, I THINK CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA HAVE SOME EXPLAINING TO DO, AND YOU'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD FEBRUARY 25TH. ANOTHER CONCERN, SCIENCE FICTION. NOTWITHSTANDING, WE DON'T HAVE TIME MACHINES AND WE CAN'T TRAVEL BACK IN TIME TO CHANGE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE OVER FIVE MONTHS AGO. WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THIS ISSUE IN DECEMBER AFTER THE SUPREME COURT AGREED TO APPROVE TEXAS'S REDISTRICTING. BUT NO ONE HERE, NOT COUNCIL, NOT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, NOT INTERESTED OBSERVERS TOOK IT, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF A COUNCIL MEMBER POSSIBLY RUNNING FOR ELECTION BECAUSE OF THE REDISTRICTING. WE CAN CHANGE THE CHARTER NOW AND MOVE FORWARD. BUT OF ALL THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER, WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS AMENDMENT AND ONLY THIS AMENDMENT RETROACTIVE? ONE LAST CONCERN. SO MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT APPEAR ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA DEPEND ON THE EXPERTISE OF OUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY STAFF. AND THAT'S WHY REPRESENTATIVES FROM VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS APPEAR HERE TO GIVE YOU THE BENEFITS OF THEIR EXPERTISE SO YOU CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS BASED ON, UH, WHAT THEY TELL YOU. BUT VOTERS PUT YOU IN THE SEATS THAT YOU'RE SITTING IN RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU TAKE VOTES ON ISSUES LIKE THE CHARTER. AND THEN ISN'T YOUR MAIN RESPONSIBILITY TO THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED YOU AND TO THE LARGER COMMUNITY WHO DEPENDS ON COUNCIL TO PROTECT OUR INTERESTS. I WONDER, ARE YOU ACTING IN OUR BEST INTEREST BY PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT THAT IN FACT REVERSES THE RESULTS OF TWO ELECTIONS 20 25, 20 23? I SPENT A LITTLE TIME THIS PAST WEEKEND READING THE BIOGRAPHIES OF YOU FOLKS, UM, ON CORE.NET AND MAKE FOR INTERESTING READING, WHO KNEW THAT OUR MAYOR PRO TEM HOLDS A PRIVATE PILOT LICENSE. UM, YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHMENTS TAKEN TOGETHER AND I I REALLY, IF YOU HAVEN'T READ YOUR BIOS RECENTLY, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO RUN THROUGH THEM. . UM, YOUR BIOS TAKEN TO YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS TAKEN TOGETHER, SPEND SUCH A BROAD ARRAY OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND VOLUNTEER ACTIVITIES, YOUR SKILL SETS AND YOUR VERY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, AND LOOK AT EACH OTHER. YOU REALLY DO REPRESENT A WIDE RANGE OF BACKGROUNDS. UM, MAKE THIS A CITY COUNCIL TO BE PROUD OF. NOW, I ASK YOU TO EXERCISE THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON AND VOTE AGAINST THE RETROACTIVE VERSION OF THE RESIGN TO RUN CHARTER AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. GRIFFIN, SANDY HANEY, AND NEXT WILL BE TJ CALLOWAY. HI, SANDY HAMMY, 6 3 7 WEST BELTLINE ROAD IN RICHARDSON. UM, THANK YOU SINCERELY, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT FOR THESE REASONS. NUMBER ONE, ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENT OR BUSINESS SHOULD HAVE A PUBLICLY STATED RATIONALE BEHIND IT TO INFORM DECISIONS, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY. THEREFORE ONE MUST GUESS AS TO THE REASONS IN A VACUUM OF INFORMATION. SINCE THERE'S ONLY ONE COUNSEL PERSON THAT THIS APPLIES TO DAN BARRIOS, I WILL SPEAK TO HIS SITUATION. NUMBER TWO, IF THE REASON IS FOR ISSUES OF TIME MANAGEMENT, ALL OF THE OTHER COUNCIL PER PERSONS HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS. DAN [00:40:01] RECENTLY QUIT HIS, BEFORE THIS EVEN CAME UP, VOTERS TRUSTED HIM TO MANAGE HIS TIME ON THE JOB, WHICH HE HAS DONE IN SPADES, BEING ONE OF THE MORE ACTIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE IMPORTANT, BUSY AND EXECUTIVE POSITIONS AND WE TRUST AND EXPECT THEM TO DO THE SAME. NUMBER THREE, IF THE REASON IS FOR CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, DAN WOULD NOT BE SERVING ON BOTH POSITIONS AT THE SAME TIME. HE WOULD STEP DOWN IF HE WON HIS ELECTION. THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST BETWEEN CITY, STATE, OR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT FOR POSITIONS HELD AT DIFFERENT TIMES. NUMBER FOUR, IF THE REASON IS FEAR OF PARTISANSHIP, EVERY PERSON IS INFORMED BY THEIR SOCIAL AND FINANCIAL BELIEFS, WHATEVER POSITION THEY HOLD ON THE COUNCIL OR OFF. BUT THE COUNCIL IS NOT A PARTISAN POSITION AND IT DOES NOT FUNCTION AS ONE. ROADS AND ZONING AND BUDGETS ARE NOT PARTISAN ISSUES. NUMBER FIVE, IF THE COMPARISON IS MADE WITH LOWER EQUAL OR GREATER ELECTED POSITIONS, I DON'T SEE VALIDITY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NECESSARY TO RESIGN FROM COMMISSIONS TO RUN FOR THE COUNCIL. LAST WEEK, MAYOR OMAR STATED AND IT WAS AGREED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO STEP OFF THE COUNCIL TO RUN AGAIN OR RUN FOR MAYOR. COMPARISONS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE CITY OF PLANO, BUT IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT ELECTION CYCLE THAT COMPETES DIRECTLY WITH STATE AND NATIONAL ELECTION CYCLES WITH WHEN RICHARDSON DOES NOT. AND IF WE CAN HAVE A SITTING ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SEVERAL SITTING CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES RUNNING FOR SENATE WHILE SERVING, IT WOULD SEEM THE NORM AND DOABLE. MUCH OF A CAMPAIGN IS DONE BY VOLUNTEERS ANYWAY. IF DAN SHOULD COME TO FEEL THAT THE EFFORT IS OVERWHELMING, I COMPLETELY TRUST HIM TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY. HE AND WE ALL LOVE, BUT HIS ABILITY TO BE EVERYWHERE AND DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE, UH, HAS BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED. NUMBER SIX, I HEARD IT POSITED THAT RUNNING WHILE SERVING IS NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY THAT SINCE IT NEVER CAME UP EITHER WAY. WHAT DEMONSTRATED THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WAS MORE VOTES THAN ANY OTHER COUNCIL PERSON RECEIVED. EVEN IN AN UNCONTESTED RACE, WHAT WAS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WAS TRUST IN DAN BARRIOS AND I WOULD THINK IT NOT EVEN LEGAL TO CHANGE THE TERMS OF CANDIDACY ONCE SOMEONE IS ALREADY IN OFFICE. NUMBER SEVEN, AT THIS TIME OF NATIONAL PERIL AND FRACTIOUSNESS, WE NEED GREAT LEADERS MORE THAN EVER. NO ONE IS BETTER QUALIFIED THAN THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY SERVED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. WHILE I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL POSITION AS JUSTICE A STEPPING STONE FOR HIGHER OFFICE, DAN HAS ALREADY COMPLETED HIS FIRST TERM. I WOULD HATE TO SEE EXPERIENCED CANDIDATES DISCOURAGED FROM RUNNING. NUMBER EIGHT, MOST OBJECTIONABLE IS MAKING THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT RETROACTIVE. IT SERVES TO REMOVE A CITY CO SITTING COUNCIL PERSON WITHOUT PETITION OR VOTE OR CAUSE WITHOUT MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE WOULD DO. IN MY EXPERIENCE, RETROACTIVE LEGISLATION IS ONLY APPROPRIATE IN EXTREME CASES LIKE ETHICAL OR LEGAL ABUSE. IT IS UNFAIR AND DOES NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO PLAN OR MAKE MAJOR LIFE CHANGES WITHOUT BEING FULLY INFORMED. AND IT NULLIFIES THE VOTE OF OVER 8,000 RICHARDSON RESIDENTS, WHICH DOES NOT REPRESENT, NOT RESPECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. IN NO CASE SHOULD THIS BE ADDED TO THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WITHOUT EXPLAINING ITS RAMIFICATIONS, BUT I SEE NO VALID RATIONALE FOR ADDING IT AT ALL RETROACTIVELY OR OTHERWISE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IT'S HARD TO HEAR ON THIS SPEAKER, SO I SPOKE LOUDLY. THANK YOU, MS. HANNEY. TJ CALLAWAY IS NEXT, AND THEN CANDACE WAL WALTER. HELLO, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS TJ CALLOWAY. MY ADDRESS IS 1501 FORSYTH DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT. IT IS APPRECIATED BY YOUR CONSTITUENTS. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLACING A RETROACTIVE RESIGNED TO RUN PROPOSITION ON THE CHARTER ELECTION BALLOT. WHILE A FORWARD LOOKING ONLY RESIGNED TO RUN PROPOSITION MAY HAVE MERITS WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION, I SIMPLY FAIL TO SEE WHAT BENEFIT A RETROACTIVE VERSION OF THIS KIND A PROPOSAL WOULD DO FOR ANY ONE OR HOW IT WOULD POSSIBLY SERVE THE CITY. IT SEEMS DESIGNED TO EXACT EITHER PERSONAL OR POLITICAL REVENGE. IT WOULD ONLY EVER AFFECT ONE SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER. AND THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WAS ELECTED WITH OVER 8,200 VOTES, HAD NO OPPOSITION IN THE PREVIOUS ELECTION, AND IS WELL RESPECTED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FOR HIS SERVICE. THIS FEELS TARGETED AND PUNITIVE. IT LACKS HUMILITY, IT LACKS COMEDY, AND IT DEFINITELY LACKS SUBTLETY. NONE OF YOU CAMPAIGNED ON RETROACTIVELY RECALLING EACH OTHER, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR THAT. IT'S NOT THE RICHARDSON WAY. TONIGHT I ASK YOU TO REMOVE THE RETROACTIVE PORTION OF THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT. AS AN ACTIVE PRECINCT CHAIR, I WOULD ADVISE MY CONSTITUENTS TO VOTE AGAINST IT. IF IT WERE TO MAKE IT ONTO THE BALLOT AS WRITTEN. PLEASE REMOVE THIS RETROACTIVE LANGUAGE FROM THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, MR. CALLOWAY. HELLO, MY NAME IS CANDACE WALTER, 1 1 7 OCEAN DRIVE. [00:45:01] AND I THINK MR. IRMAN DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE LAW, SO I DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT TODAY I HAVE BEEN READING THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. I'VE BEEN READING THE RICHARDSON CITY CHARTER EVER SINCE I FIRST SAW THIS ON FACEBOOK. I HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY CONFUSED ABOUT WHO ASKED FOR THIS, WHY DID WE THINK OF THIS? AND SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN THE CONSTITUTION THEY ADDED THIS IN 1954, THEY AMENDED IT 19 58, 19 99, 2007, 2011. WE'VE BEEN A HOME RULE CITY SINCE 1956. WE'VE AMENDED THE CHARTER, 1989, 2007, 2012, 2015. SO I EVEN AFTER READING ALL THIS, I STILL AM CONFUSED ABOUT WHY DO WE NOW HAVE THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT? WE HAVE A LIST OF THEM. ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO BE RETROACTIVE AND THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON IT APPLIES TO. SO IN MY OPINION, ALL OF THIS, IT'S, IT DOESN'T PASS THE SMELL TEST. IT SEEMS PETTY, IT SEEMS TARGETED, IT SEEMS UNFAIR. PROBABLY ILLEGAL. ALSO A LITTLE BIT VINDICTIVE. THOSE THAT WAS THE END. BUT I JUST GOT SO PASSIONATE RIGHT NOW. I SKIPPED TO THE END. SO LET ME COME BACK TO THE MIDDLE. ALSO, MR. IRMAN MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION, THEY HAVE A LIST OF OFFICES THAT YOU, THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE RESIGN TO RUN. AND CITY COUNCIL IS NOT ONE OF THEM. WE ONLY HAVE A TWO YEAR TERM. SO I PERSONALLY DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE IMAGINED HARM THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM A CITY COUNCIL PERSON. I HAD NO IDEA THAT HE HAD QUIT HIS JOB. SO NOW HE HAS CITY COUNCIL IN A CAMPAIGN AND NOT EVEN A JOB. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, I HAVE LIKE THREE JOBS AND I'M LIKE ON THREE OR FOUR BOARDS. SO I'M LIKE A QUEEN OF MULTITASKING. AND I FEEL 100% CONFIDENT THAT EVERYBODY UP HERE ON THE CITY COUNCIL IS ALSO A KING OR QUEEN OF MULTITASKING OR ELSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS, UH, POSITION. UH, ALSO CITY COUNCIL IS NOT A FULL-TIME JOB. WE ALL LIVE HERE. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO DO, IT'S IN THE CITY. I I'M SURE YOU RARELY HAVE TO EVEN LEAVE THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. SO I WAS ALSO CONFUSED. DID SOMEONE SAY THAT A COUNCIL PERSON WAS NOT DOING THEIR DUTY? I DON'T THINK SO. AND WHEN I WAS READING THE CHARTER, IT SAYS YOU NEED A QUORUM OF FIVE PEOPLE TO PASS WHATEVER YOUR PASSING. SO HAS ANYONE EVER SAID THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A QUORUM OF FIVE PEOPLE HERE TO GET CITY BUSINESS DONE? I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. AND I HEARD SOMEONE ELSE BEFORE ME TALK ABOUT, I THINK IT WOULD HELP PEOPLE, UH, MAYBE NOT REACT THIS WAY IF WE KNEW THE REASON FOR THIS, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT. AND ALSO WHY IS IT RETROACTIVE? IS ANYTHING ELSE RETROACTIVE? I DON'T LIKE IT. AND SO I'VE BEEN HERE IN RICHARDSON SINCE 1985 AND I'VE NEVER COME TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND, UH, SPOKEN LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING DINNER AND BATHTIME, I BROUGHT MY KID HERE BECAUSE I'M SO OUTRAGED, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. AND SO I JUST CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT I HAD TO DISRUPT MY LIFE TO COME DOWN HERE AND SAY THESE THINGS. UM, ALSO I'M WONDERING TOO, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, IT WOULD WE ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IF HE WAS IN A DIFFERENT PARTY, IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT OFFICE, IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT COUNCIL PERSON. ALL OF THIS IS GOING BACK TO MY FEELING THAT THIS IS TARGETED AND VINDICTIVE AND I DON'T LIKE IT. AND SO ALSO, I'M NOT A PRECINCT CHAIR LIKE TJ CALLAWAY OVER THERE, BUT IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO ON A CAMPAIGN TO HELP THE CITIZENS SEE WHAT THIS REALLY IS AND HOPEFULLY VOTE IT DOWN. BUT HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T COME TO THAT. OKAY, THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU MS. WALTER. PAM THOMPSON. AND NEXT WILL BE SHAUNA SAXON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAM THOMPSON AND I'M AT NINE 11 WATERVIEW CIRCLE HERE IN RICHARDSON. AND I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO PROPOSITION XX. IN PARTICULAR, THE CITY HAS AN A CHARTER AMENDMENT PROCESS. IT INCLUDES COMMISSION, PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS RESIGNED TO RUN CONCEPT DID NOT COME UP, AT LEAST NOT IN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THOSE MEETINGS. PROPOSITION XX THEREFORE SEEMS LIKE AN END RUN AROUND THE PUBLIC PROCESS. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL FROM THE POSTED AGENDA THAT COUNCIL IS DISCUSSING WHETHER TO RETROACTIVELY REMOVE A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER. I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE ATTORNEYS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS VIOLATES OPEN MEETINGS. PROPOSITION XX SHOULD BE DELETED IN ITS ENTIRETY FROM THE ORDINANCE AND MAY BE SAVED AS AN IDEA TO DISCUSS LATER DURING THE NEXT CHARTER COMMISSION IF THERE'S STILL PUBLIC WILL. IF YOU KEEP THIS PROPOSITION, PLEASE AMEND IT TO REMOVE BOTH INSTANCES OF QUOTE PRIOR TO AND REPLACE PRIOR TO WITH FROM SO THAT THE RESIGNED TO RUN PROPOSAL IS EFFECTIVELY ONLY FROM AND AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE. AND IN FACT, THAT LANGUAGE IS SO COMMON IN OUR ORDINANCES THAT I MISREAD IT THIS MORNING AND THOUGHT THAT IT SAID FROM AND AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE. AND MY FRIEND JUSTIN CORRECTED ME THAT THAT, NO, THERE THERE'S A WORD IN THERE THAT'S BEFORE WHICH MAKES THIS RETROACTIVE PERHAPS PRIOR TO IS JUST A HORRIBLE DRAFTING ERROR. AND YOU GUYS CAN FIX THIS TONIGHT IF YOU KEEP PRIOR TO, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE PUTS INTO QUESTION EVERY ACTION THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TAKEN SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THIS CITY. I DOUBT THAT WE HAVE ROCK SOLID [00:50:01] RECORDS OF ALL ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR PUBLIC OFFICE. DID A COUNCIL MEMBER YEARS AGO CONTEMPLATE RUNNING FOR SOMETHING AND ANNOUNCE THAT INTENTION? WHO KNOWS? DID THAT ANNOUNCEMENT CHANGE A QUORUM COUNT OR A VOTE? AGAIN, UNKNOWN. THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT WONDERS IF PERHAPS THE INTENT HERE IS TO UNDO EVERY VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS HAS TAKEN SINCE THE LAST ELECTION, AND THEN TO UNCEREMONIOUSLY AND UNDEMOCRATICALLY REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE. PERHAPS IT'S WORSE THAN THAT. MAYBE CLAY COOLEY'S GUY IS WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE GOOD ON HIS PROMISE TO UNSEAT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS OUT OF RETRIBUTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS VOTING AGAINST CLAY'S SUP REQUEST FOR AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR MAIN STREET ZONING DISTRICT. EITHER WAY, IN AN AGE WHERE ICE AND BORDER PATROL ARE ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING SPANISH, THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS ITEM ARE POST AS POSTED ARE A PARTICULARLY BAD LOOK FOR THIS CITY. IF YOU MAKE THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT RETROACTIVE, YOU EFFECTIVELY UNDO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. THOMPSON. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TAKING TIME AND ALLOWING US TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS SENA SAXON. I LIVE AT 1218 COLFAX CIRCLE. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2001. I AM SAD TO SAY THIS IS MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING TO ATTEND, AND I AM VERY SAD THAT IT IS BECAUSE THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT SEEMS TO BE, AS HAS BEEN SAID, UNBELIEVABLY TARGETED. UM, IF THE COUNCIL FEELS THAT THERE TRULY IS A CONCERN OF SERVING AND CANDIDATING, THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS A PROBLEM. MAKING SOMETHING RETROACTIVE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT, UH, FAIR, LET ALONE. UM, UM, MORAL, IN MY OPINION, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE IF A PERSON CAN ACTUALLY DO THE JOB AND CAMPAIGN FOR ANOTHER JOB THAT WILL OCCUR AFTER THE CURRENT JOB ENDS OR IS ALMOST OVER. THERE'S NO CONFLICT. WE'RE TALKING VERY LOCAL VERSUS VERY BIG. UM, I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO NOT HAVING A WHOLE LOT PUT TOGETHER. I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY OVER THE LAST FIVE DAYS AND UNFORTUNATELY HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A LOT OF NOTES. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A WHOLE LOT ELSE TO SAY. I BELIEVE THIS IS WRONG, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. SAXON. MARK WICKERSHAM, AND NEXT WILL BE PRESTON OSBORNE. MY NAME IS MARK WICKERSHAM. I RESIDE 6 0 7 GOODWIN DRIVE IN RICHARDSON FOR 19 YEARS MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT AS A FOLLOW UP TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS ON PROPOSITION XX. I BELIEVE THE DIRECTION THIS ISSUE IS TAKING THIS ISSUE IS TAKING IT RACIST CONCERNS THAT GO FAR BEYOND A SINGLE CHARTER PROVISION. WHAT TROUBLES ME THE MOST IS THAT THIS ACTION MOVES INTERESTING AWAY FROM NONPARTISAN, CONSENSUS DRIVEN MUNICIPAL GOVERNANCE, AND TOWARDS THE STYLE OF DECISION MAKING THAT INCREASINGLY RESEMBLES STATE AND NATIONAL POLITICAL CONFLICT. THAT IS NOT WHY MOST RESIDENTS ENGAGE WITH THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND NOT WHY I'VE SUPPORTED CANDIDATES IN LOCAL ELECTIONS. IT IS PRECISELY IF THAT SUPPORT THAT I AM CONCERNED. NOW FOR THOSE WHO SUPPORT THIS APPLYING THIS RETROACTIVELY, I WOULD ASK YOU TO EXAMINE THIS OBJECTIVELY AND EXPLAIN WHY. I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW RETROACTIVE APPLICATION IS FAIR TO VOTERS OR HOW IT IMPROVES GOVERNANCE. WHAT MANY RESIDENTS ARE STILL STRUGGLING WITH IS A LACK OF CLEAR NEUTRAL JUSTIFICATION IN THE, IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT EXPLANATION, THIS ACTION [00:55:01] APPEARS DRIVEN BY POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS RATHER THAN BY PROCESS OR PRINCIPLE, RICHARDSON SHOULD RESIST THIS PATH. OUR CITY FUNCTIONS BEST WHEN OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS GOVERN AS STEWARDS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC SAFETY, PHYSICAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND COMMUNITY TRUST, NOT AS PARTICIPANT IN A BROADER, BROADER POLITICAL NARRATIVES THAT DIVIDE MORE THAN THEY SOLVE. IF THE GOAL IS ACCOUNTABILITY, THEN USE ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES. IF THE GOAL IS POLICY REFORM, THEN APPLY RETROSPECTIVELY AND EVENLY. BUT IF THE GOAL IS POLITICAL SIGNALING, THE PUBLIC DESERVES HONESTY ABOUT THAT AS WELL. I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I HAVE SUPPORTED MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL EVEN WHEN I'VE, EXCUSE ME, EVEN WHEN I'VE DISAGREED WITH THEM ON STATE AND NATIONAL ISSUES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THOSE DISAGREEMENTS STOPPED AT THE SEA LIMIT AND THAT WHEN IT CAME TO RICHARDSON, YOU HAD PUT CITY ABOVE IDEOLOGY, PARTISANSHIP, OR POLITICAL STRATEGY. MY CONCERN HERE IS NOT ABOUT WHO THIS RULE AFFECTS OR WHAT OFFICE MAY BE INVOLVED. I WOULD'VE THE SAME OBJECTION TO ER DIRECTIVE, ACTIVE RULE, REGARDLESS OF THE INDIVIDUAL, THEIR VIEWS OR THE POSITION THEY'RE SEEKING. I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS RICHARDSON RESIDENCE. EXPECT CITY COUNCIL TO GOVERN AS NEIGHBORS, NOT AS FACTIONS. WHEN THE ACTIONS BEGIN TO LOOK CALCULATED FOR POLITICAL ADVANTAGE RATHER THAN GROUNDED IN NEUTRAL PROCESS, PEOPLE NOTICE AND TRUST ERODES QUICKLY. IF THIS COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT BRINGING PARTISAN OR IDENT INDICATE, EXCUSE ME, IDENTITY DRIVEN TACTICS IN THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNANCE HAS THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR RICHARDSON, THEN IT SHOULD BE WILLING TO SAY SO PLAINLY. BUT IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE, NOW AS A MOMENT TO STEP BACK, REFLECT ON PROCESS AND REAFFIRM THAT CITY HALL IS NOT TESTING GROUND FOR POLITICAL STRATEGIES BORROWED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. WICKERSHAM. MR. OSBORNE HERE. PRESTON OSBORNE. OKAY, NEXT WILL BE STEVEN FIREBAUGH AND MARK BUSTON. GOOD EVENING. I'M STEVEN FIREBAUGH. I LIVE AT 8 0 2 HILLSDALE DRIVE IN THE COLLEGE PARK COMMUNITY OF RICHARDSON. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT. I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE RESIGN TO RUN PROPOSITION LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, . OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE UNFAIR NATURE OF THE RETROACTIVE COMPONENT OF THIS, WHICH SEEMS SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL. THE CRITICISM IS VALID AND I HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE IT TO HEART. BUT MY SPECIFIC CONCERN TONIGHT IS WITH THE CORE OR THE HEART OF THE PROPOSITION, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE PROPOSITION ROBS THESE THREE FLAGS, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AND THE UNITED STATES OF A SOURCE OF HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND COMPETENT CANDIDATES FOR HIGHER OFFICE. RICHARDSON IS A DYNAMIC AND GROWING COMMUNITY, AND THE COUNCIL REFLECTS THAT, AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS LEARN A GREAT DEAL THROUGH THEIR SERVICE. NOT TO PUT TOO FINE OF A POINT ON IT, BUT YOU ARE EXCEPTIONAL INDIVIDUALS. ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I LOOK AT IN EVALUATING A CANDIDATE IS THE EXPERIENCE AND THE SKILLSET TO BOTH RUN A SUCCESSFUL ELECTION CAMPAIGN AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO DO A GOOD JOB ONCE YOU'RE ELECTED. AND, UM, ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO GET THAT EXPERIENCE IS THROUGH SERVICE. WHILE COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE VERY INVOLVED AND GIVE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THEMSELVES TO RICHARDSON'S COMMUNITY, EVEN UNDER THE PROPOSED CHARTER REVISIONS, THE COUNCIL POSITION IS NOT CONFIGURED OR COMPENSATED AS A FULL-TIME JOB. IT IS NOT UNREALISTIC TO EXPECT THAT A MEMBER MAY SHOULDER THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN OF CANDIDACY FOR A LIMITED SEASON. AND IT IS AN EXCELLENT WAY TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE GETTING EXCEPTIONAL CANDIDATES IN THOSE NEXT POSITIONS WITH DEMONSTRATE DEMONSTRATED EXPERIENCE. [01:00:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. FARBER. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME'S MARK BAINE LIVED AT 700 SCOTTSDALE, OH, IT'LL BE 46 YEARS NEXT MONTH TO MAKES ME FEEL OLD. I'M HERE ALSO TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND I OPPOSE IT. AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED AT THE SENIOR CENTER IS THE PEOPLE ON THE TREADMILL DON'T WANT IT EITHER. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROSPECTIVE AND RETROACTIVE IDEAS. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, I HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST SOMETHING, JUST PUT IT IN PLAIN LANGUAGE AND SAY THERE'S AN EFFECTIVE DATE. LIKE WE'RE PLANNING INSTEAD OF REACTING TO SOMETHING. SO SAY JANUARY 1ST, 2027, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO SHOW THAT YOU'RE PLANNING AHEAD RATHER THAN REACTING TO SOMETHING. AND I DO WANNA SAY ONE THING I SHOULD HAVE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, THANK YOU FOR THAT SENIOR CENTER. THE PARKING LOT IS ALWAYS FULL IN THE MORNINGS AND SOMETIME I'M GONNA TALK TO DON AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED MORE PARKING. BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. BUSINE HAM SAYE. AND NEXT WILL BE JARED PLUM. GERALD PLUM. HI, UH, MY NAME'S HASAN SAYED. I'M AT, UH, 3 1 6 MAPLE STREET. AND UH, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ALL OF US OUT. I'M NOT SURE I CAN ADD ANYTHING ACTUALLY TO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID, BUT I DO ECHO AND AGREE EVERYTHING THEY SAID ALMOST, I BELIEVE. UM, UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF RETROACTIVELY ADDRESSING ANY, UM, A CHANGE IN SITUATION. I HAVE EVERY FAITH IN IN OUR COUNCILMEN, IN ALL THE COUNCIL PEOPLE. UH, BUT THIS JUST SEEMS, UM, ASSUMING IT IS LEGAL, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO COUNCIL. UM, THIS IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF RICHARDSON. UM, ALSO GIVEN THIS SPECIFIC TIME WHEN THE STATE IS DOING ALL KINDS OF WEIRD, UM, YOU KNOW, REDISTRICTING IN THE MIDDLE OF SESSION, UM, I DON'T THINK THESE ACTIONS ARE ACTUALLY OPPORTUNISTIC. I THINK THESE ARE OF SERVICE AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALL ADDRESS THAT AND HAVE A LITTLE GRACE IN HOW WE SEE THE ACTIONS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE RETROACTIVE PROVISION. UH, I'M NOT FOR PEOPLE USING THEIR POSITIONS JUST TO JUMP TO THE NEXT STAGE. WE NEED THEM TO SIT HERE AND, AND DO THINGS FOR THE CITY AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY IS DOING AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO. SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH MORE TO ADD. I JUST, IF I COULD JUST INCORPORATE EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID BEFORE ME, BUT I THINK THESE ARE REAL CONCERNS AND WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME ACTIONS IF THEY, THEY GO A DIFFERENT WAY, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS ACTIONS. UM, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU MR. SEA. THANK YOU. I'M GERALD PLUM, 4 21, DANIEL RICHARDSON. AND UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT HAD COME UP HERE AND SAID THEY WERE TOTALLY FOR THE ORDINANCE AND THEY WERE TOTALLY FOR THE RETRO PORTION OF IT, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A COMMENT. BUT THERE WASN'T ANY, ANYBODY. I WAS HERE LAST WEEK, THIS WEEK, THEY AIN'T ANYBODY SAID THEY WERE FOR IT. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THE ORDINANCE, BUT THE RETRO BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, AND THE ATTORNEY WASN'T ANY GREAT. I, YOU KNOW, . THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. GOD BLESS YOU GUYS FOR DOING THE HARD WORK. YOU, I USED TO BE ON CITY COUNCIL OUT IN EAST TEXAS AND I DIDN'T PUT IN THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS DID. I KNOW, BUT I KNOW WHAT I, I I KNOW IT, IT'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY EVERY ONE OF YOU. AND, UM, AND, AND I JUST, I'M REAL GLAD TO BE IN THIS CITY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU MR. PLUM. THAT WAS THE LAST CARD, MAYOR. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IS LOOKING TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? IF, IF SO, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP WITH THE, UH, PROMISE THAT YOU'LL BE FILLING OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS SO THAT WE HAVE ALL THE PROPER PAPERWORK. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHERS THAT WANNA SPEAK, IF YOU'LL GRAB A CARD IN ADVANCE AND START THAT WORK, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. [01:05:11] YOU AND BLACKMAN, I LIVE AT SIX 11 BIRCH LANE. UH, GOOD EVENING. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, UH, MAYOR, UM, OMAR, AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ORDINANCE COMING UP AND GIVE YOU A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AS A, A CURRENT CANDIDATE FOR, FOR SCHOOL BOARD IN RICHARDSON. UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO EXCLUDE FOLKS FROM SERVING IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ELECTED, AND ALSO TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM SEEKING OTHER OFFICERS, EVEN IF THEY DO BECOME PARTISAN OUT OF A NON-PARTISAN SYSTEM. I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE AND A STRONG PROPONENT FOR A NON-PARTISAN CITY COUNCIL AND A NON-PARTISAN SCHOOL BOARD. AND I THINK THIS, UH, BRINGS UP THE QUESTION OF IF SOMEBODY THEN GOES INTO A PARTISAN RACE, DOES THAT UPSET THE APPLE CART IN SOME WAY WITH REGARDS TO KEEPING BOTH OF THOSE ENTITIES NON-PARTISAN? AND IN MY OPINION, NO. AND, AND I'LL SAY I SUPPORT, UH, DAN BOAS AS, AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. HE'S BEEN GREAT, VERY OPEN, VERY HONEST. UM, BEING A, A FORMER TEACHER GOT MY HEART FOR SURE. AND, AND I THINK THAT TO EXCLUDE HIM FROM SERVICE IN THIS WAY WOULD, WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL FOR FUTURE POSSIBILITIES. OTHER CANDIDATES TO THEN RUN FOR OFFICE AND TO FILL THESE SEATS. AS SOMEBODY POINTED OUT EARLIER, WE HAVE SOME, SOME RANK, UH, FOLKS HAPPENING IN, IN UPPER OFFICE LEVELS. AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHY, UM, COUNCILMAN, UH, BORIS WILL RUN IS TO TRY AND CHANGE SOME OF THAT 10 IN OUR COUNTRY. SOME OF THAT, UH, UM, DISCOURSE THAT WE HAVE THAT BECOMES UNTENABLE TO, TO SOME DEGREE. AND SO PERHAPS WE CAN TAKE A, A LOOK AT SOME OF WHAT THE ISDS DO. IF YOU'RE A TEACHER AND YOU WANNA RUN FOR SCHOOL BOARD, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN RUN FOR SCHOOL BOARD. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RESIGN TO RUN FOR SCHOOL BOARD, EVEN IF YOU AT WORK FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IT'S ONLY AFTER YOU WIN THAT YOU THEN HAVE TO STEP DOWN. AND I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR THIS ORDINANCE. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M AGAINST EIGHT. AND HOPE YOU CAN MAKE THE AMENDMENT TO BE LIKE, IF YOU WIN, THEN PERHAPS WE TAKE IT OFF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU MR. BLACKMAN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? HELLO, COUNSEL. MY NAME IS JENNY LAUGHLIN. I LIVE AT 8 0 4 FIRESTONE IN OUR FINE CITY. UM, I WAS NOT GONNA SPEAK TONIGHT. AS I DIDN'T SPEAK LAST WEEK, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE I'VE SPOKEN TO MOST OF YOU, UM, OR TRIED TO. AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD. UM, I WANT TO SAY THAT I FEEL REALLY PROUD OF MY COMMUNITY TONIGHT, THAT THEY CAME OUT AND THEY CARE THIS MUCH ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I CARE DEEPLY. YES, DAN BARRIOS IS MY FRIEND. HE'S BEEN, UH, HE'S BEEN SOMEBODY THAT WE'VE SUPPORTED FOR YEARS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THIS IS ABOUT IT NOT BEING RIGHT TO MAKE SOMETHING RETROACTIVE. AND THAT'S BEEN SAID OVER AND OVER, BUT I WANTED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD FOR THE RECORD. NOT ONE OTHER OF THE 48 AMENDMENTS ARE RETROACTIVE, NOT ONE. AND I'M SURE THAT THOSE AMENDMENTS MEAN SOMETHING. THEY'RE IMPORTANT, THEY FIX SOMETHING THAT'S BROKEN OR THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED OR COULD BE IMPROVED, BUT NOT ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN MADE RETROACTIVE. THIS SHOULDN'T BE EITHER. AND I FEEL THAT VERY, VERY STRONGLY, BUT MAINLY BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SAID THAT TO EVERYBODY. WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS, THANK YOU FOR OPENING THIS UP TONIGHT TO THE PEOPLE THAT THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO. AND I HOPE THAT IT HAS MADE AN IMPACT ON YOU TO HEAR FROM YOUR COMMUNITY, FROM YOUR VOTERS, UM, THAT WE STRONGLY OPPOSE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU MS. LOUGHLIN. ALRIGHT, UH, WE WILL MOVE [6. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE 25-23, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE IN ZONING ROM R-RETAIL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF A-950-M APARTMENT DISTRICT WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR A 3.09-ACRE TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 951 ABRAMS ROAD, ON THE EAST SIDE OF ABRAMS ROAD, THE SOUTH SIDE OF BUCKINGHAM ROAD, AND THE NORTH SIDE OF PARK BEND DRIVE. ] ON, UH, TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 23 AND CONSIDER, UH, ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP TO GRANT A CHANGE FROM OUR RETAIL TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE [01:10:01] ZONING DISTRICT OF A NINE 50 M APARTMENT DISTRICT. LOCATED AT 9 5 1 ABRAMS ROAD. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, DEREK PETERS, WHO IS OUR SENIOR PLANNER AND A PART OF AN OUR INAUGURAL EMERGING LEADERS PROGRAM HERE AT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, IS GOING TO, UH, BRIEF THIS ITEM FOR US. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE AND AVAILABLE, UH, TO MAKE COMMENTS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SO, DEREK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO BRIEF US ON THIS. THANK YOU DAWN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SONY FILE 25 23 IS A REQUEST RELATED TO THE SITE LOCATED AT 9 51 ABRAMS ROAD. THIS IS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ABRAMS AND BUCKINGHAM. THIS IS A REQUEST TO ESTABLISH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL FIVE UNITS. THE PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ON BUCKINGHAM TO THE NORTH, ABRAMS TO THE WEST AND PARK BEND DRIVE TO THE SOUTH. IT HAS ONE POINT OF IN INGRESS AND EGRESS THROUGH A DRIVEWAY ON ABRAMS ROAD. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS DESIGNATED THIS AS PART OF THE COMPACT RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE. AND MULTIFAMILY IS CONSIDERED A PRIMARY AND ALLOWED USE IN THAT PLACE TYPE DESIGNATION. THE PROPERTY IS ZONE R RETAIL, WHICH IS A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT FOUND WITHIN THE FORMER TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM. I WILL, UH, TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE FORMER TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM FOR A QUICK HISTORY LESSON. THE, UH, PORTION OF THE CITY, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTHERN QUADRANT, WAS FIRST ANNEXED BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IN 1996. IN 2015, THE SUBJECT SITE, THE RICHLAND PARK APARTMENTS WERE DEVELOPED. THEY WERE DEVELOPED UNDER THE FORMER TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THOSE STANDARDS ALLOWED APARTMENTS OR MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN ALL OF THE TOWN OF BUCK BUCKINGHAM BY WRIGHT. IN 2018, THE CITY INITIATED SOME ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM'S ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, THAT PROCESSED SOME UPDATES THAT INCLUDING ADDRESSING OUTDATED TERMINOLOGY AND REFERENCES. IT IMPROVED CONSISTENCY WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND IT ALSO IMPROVED CONSISTENCY BY ALIGNING SOME OF THE LAND USE TYPES. UH, WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE SONY ORDINANCE, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY. MULTIFAMILY WAS A LAND USE TYPE WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. HOWEVER, THE 2018 AMENDMENT THEN REQUIRED FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT TO BE APPROVED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE BETTER OVERSIGHT. UM, TODAY, 2026, THE CH THE CHANGES PROPOSED INCLUDE CREATING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT RATHER THAN A SPECIAL PERMIT. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO ADDRESS OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN ADDITION TO THE MULTIFAMILY USE. AND THERE'S A MAP OF THE FORMER TOWN OF BUCKINGHAM THAT IS 154 ACRES BOUND BY CENTENNIAL BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH ODELIA TO THE EAST PARK, BEND TO THE SOUTH AND ABRAMS ROAD TO THE WEST. AND THE SUBJECT SITE IS THERE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. SO HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE RICHLAND PARK APARTMENTS TODAY. THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT IS THEIR COMMUNITY BUILDING WHERE THEY INTEND TO ADD FIVE ADDITIONAL UNITS WITHIN THAT EXISTING BUILDING. THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THEIR, UH, FOUR STANDARD APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, CONTAINING APARTMENT UNITS. AND HERE'S SOME INTERIOR PHOTOS OF THAT COMMUNITY BUILDING. SO ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE COMMUNITY BUILDING, THERE'S THE LEASING CENTER IN THE GYM. BUT YOU SEE THERE ARE, UH, FOUR FLOORS IN THE LEASING BUILDING. THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR HAVE ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL AMENITIES AND STORAGE ROOMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER UTILIZED OR UN UNUSED AT ALL. UH, FIRST YOU SEE A PHOTO OF A MAINTENANCE STORAGE ROOM THAT'S UNDERUTILIZED. AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS AN INDOOR SPORTS COURT, IS WHAT WE CALL IT. IT WAS DESIGNED AS A YOGA STUDIO AND WE'VE BEEN INFORMED THEIR RESIDENTS DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UH, AMENITY ON SITE. SO THIS, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT ADDITIONAL ROOM IN THAT COMMUNITY BUILDING WHERE THEY WILL RENOVATE AND ADD ADDITIONAL UNITS. HERE'S THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. THERE ARE NO PROPOSED SITE MODIFICATIONS IN ASSOCIATED WITH THE, THE PROPOSAL AS IN A, ASIDE FROM THE ADDITIONAL UNITS AND THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO THERE ARE NO PROPOSED BUILDING EXPANSIONS PRO. UH, AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THE SITE IS THREE ACRES. TODAY THERE ARE 82 DWELLING UNITS ON SITE AS PROPOSED WITH THE ADDITIONAL FIVE UNITS. IT'LL BE 87 DWELLING UNITS ON SITE AND THERE ARE 166 PARKING SPACES. THE BUILDINGS ARE SHOWN IN YELLOW. THERE ARE FOUR APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THE ONE COMMUNITY BUILDING IN THIS CENTER, WHICH IS LOCATED NEXT TO THE SWIMMING POOL. SO HERE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THROUGH THEIR PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST. THIS FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO AN EXISTING CONDITION ON SITE. UH, AND I WILL COMPARE EACH OF [01:15:01] THESE PROPOSED EXCEPTIONS TO THE A NINE 50 M APARTMENT BASED ZONING DISTRICT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WILL, UH, REFERENCE THE A NINE 50 BASE ZONING DISTRICT. SO FIRST, UH, BUILDINGS WITHIN 150 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ARE TYPICALLY LIMITED TO ONLY TWO STORIES. HOWEVER, THIS SITE WAS DEVELOPED WITH THERE BUILDINGS BEING FOUR STORIES TALL AND 46 FEET TALL. THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS. WE ARE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT EXISTING CONDITION IN THE PD. UM, HERE'S A NEW CONDITION. THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT SIZE IS TYPICALLY LIMITED AT 700 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM. HOWEVER, THEY WILL BE ADDING TWO STUDIO UNITS. THOSE TWO STUDIO UNITS WILL BE 486 SQUARE FEET. AND THEY WILL ALSO ADD TWO ONE BEDROOM UNITS AT 640 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL ONE BEDROOM UNIT, WHICH DOES EXCEED 700 SQUARE FEET. THE DI DENSITY, THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED AT 26 UNITS PER ACRE. THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT LIMITS, UH, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS TO 18 UNITS PER ACRE. WITH THE ADDITIONAL FIVE UNITS, THIS WILL BE 28 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THESE LAST TWO CONDITIONS, PARKING AND RECREATION AMENITY POINTS WERE SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UH, FIRST IS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED IS TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE PROVIDING INITIALLY. UM, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT DID INDICATE THAT TODAY THERE APPEARS TO BE SUFFICIENT AND, UH, SURPLUS PARKING. THEY ARE, UH, UH, A HIGH OCCUPANCY RATE TODAY AND EVEN STILL. SO THEY DO APPEAR TO HAVE SURPLUS PARKING. THEY ORIGINALLY TOOK A PLAN TO THE CPC THAT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL, UH, HANDFUL OF PARKING SPACES TO MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT OF TWO PACE SPACES PER UNIT. BUT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION INSTEAD SAW MORE VALUE IN RATHER THAN PAVING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES AND REMOVING OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE TO LEAVE THE GREEN SPACE AS IS, AND TO LEAVE 166 PARKING SPACES ON SITE. THEY BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE NEW FIVE UNITS. UM, THEY ALSO POINTED OUT HERE THAT INSTEAD OF COMPARING THE RATE TO SPACES PER UNIT, THEY ASKED WHAT WAS THE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM RATIO. TODAY, THE SITE PROVIDES 1.34 PARKING SPACES PER BEDROOM. WITH THE ADDITION, THEY'LL BE PROVIDING 1.29 PARKING SPACES PER BEDROOM. SO THAT IS STILL, UH, COMPARABLE, UH, IS, AND THE CPC RECOMMENDED THAT WE KEEP THE PARKING AS IS, UH, ALSO RECREATION AMENITY POINTS IS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT I WILL SPEAK TO HERE IN THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, OUR COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCES ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT APARTMENTS WITHIN OUR BASE ZONING BASE, APARTMENT ZONING DISTRICTS PROVIDE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES ON SITE FOR ITS RESIDENTS. THESE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE INCLUDES A LIST OF THOSE POTENTIAL AMENITIES AND AMENITIES AS THEY ARE PROVIDED. THEY WILL ACCRUE POINTS BASED ON THE VALUES ASSIGNED IN OUR CODE. A MINIMUM VALUE OF 70 POINTS MUST BE ACCUMULATED FOR EACH 250 UNITS. 250 UNITS IS THE LOWEST THRESHOLD. SO 70 POINTS MUST BE PROVIDED FOR EVERY 250 UNITS AND 250 UNITS THEREAFTER. THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL, UH, THIS PROJECT WILL BE REMOVING THE YOGA STUDIO THAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE PHOTO EARLIER. SO THEY WILL BE BELOW THAT 70 POINT THRESHOLD. THEY WILL STILL PROVIDE A PLAYGROUND, AN INDOOR CLUBHOUSE, AN INDOOR FITNESS CENTER, OR A GYM, A SWIMMING POOL, AND TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS. UH, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY PROPOSED ADDITIONAL AMENITIES ON SITE, BUT THE CPC SAW INSTEAD OF REMOVING OPEN SPACE, THAT THEY, UM, INSTEAD COULD LEAVE THIS AT A 60 POINT MINIMUM. THE CPC ALSO MADE THE POINT THAT THIS IS A 87 UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT THEY'RE WELL BELOW THAT 250 UNIT THRESHOLD THAT THIS WOULD TYPICALLY APPLY TO. AND FINALLY, THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND TODAY WE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. THEY DID NOT STATE THEIR WRITTEN CONCERNS, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'LL BE HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK. THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY SEVEN OH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THEIR AMENDED COMM CONDITIONS WITH THE REDUCTION IN REQUIRED PARKING SPACES AND REDUCTION IN REQUIRED AMENITY POINTS. AND FINALLY, IF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE FILE, THE ZONING FILE TONIGHT AND THE ORDINANCE, YOU MAY APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED WITH CONDITIONS, WITH AMENDED CONDITIONS OR DENIED THE REQUEST. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, DANICA. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEPH? ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, I BELIEVE, UH, WE HEARD THAT THE APPLICANT WAS HERE. YES, HE IS. I NOT, NOT YOU YET. [01:20:12] GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS EDDIE CERVANTES. MY ADDRESS IS 9 0 1 WEST FIRST STREET, FORT WORTH, TEXAS. I AM HERE, UH, WITH SCHWARTZ HANSON, UH, ARCHITECTS ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT RICHLAND PARK APARTMENTS. UM, AS DE UH, PRESENTED, WE ARE FILING FOR THE ZONING CHANGE IN ORDER TO ADD FIVE ADDITIONAL UNITS, UM, ON AN EXISTING SPACE. WE DON'T PLAN TO INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS ALREADY THERE. WE JUST PLAN TO FINISH OUT, UM, AND PROVIDE UNITS IN EXISTING SPACE. UM, WE FEEL THAT IT'S, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE AN EFFECT ON ANY, UM, EXISTING PARKING THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT A 98% OCCUPANCY RATE, UH, SINCE JANUARY 1ST. UM, SO EXISTING PARKING AS IT IS, UH, SEEMS TO MEET THEIR, THEIR DEMANDS. UM, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DEREK HAS PRESENTED, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU KNOW, CONVERTING THE SPACE INTO SOMETHING MORE USABLE AND SOME SMALLER FOOTPRINT FOR FAMILY, A FAMILY OR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT NEEDS A SMALLER UNIT. HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY RESIDENTS OR OCCUPANTS WILL YOU HAVE IN EACH UNIT? IN EACH UNIT? MM-HMM . UH, WELL, THE, I MEAN, FOR 480, I, I SAW, WELL, IT WAS 486 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN THERE WERE TWO UNITS AT FOUR, I'M SORRY, TWO, TWO UNITS AT 486 SQUARE FEET? CORRECT. AND ONE AT 700 OR TWO AT SEVEN. THERE WAS, UH, TWO AT 4 86. THERE WAS ONE AT 640. OKAY. I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE AT AROUND 6 93. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE ONE AT 700 SQUARE FEET. SO TWO OF THEM, THE, THE 700 SQUARE FOOT AND THE 693 SQUARE FOOT ARE CLOSER IN SIZE TO THE EXISTING ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT THEY HAVE. UM, I BELIEVE THEIR ONE BED BEDROOM APARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY AT AROUND 7 25 TO SEVEN 50 SQUARE FEET. UM, THE OTHER THREE UNITS WOULD BE EFFICIENCY ARE STUDIO, UH, STUDIO UNITS. AND THAT WOULD OCCUPY TWO INDIVIDUALS, UH, A SINGLE OR, OR A COUPLE? YES, CORRECT. TWO INDIVIDUALS. OKAY. UM, WHAT ABOUT THE EGRESS? ARE YOU PLANNING, I KNOW THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S ONE STAIRWELL THAT TAKES YOU UP, CORRECT? WE ARE, WE ARE PLANNING ON REWORKING THE STAIR. UM, CURRENTLY I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE CITY PERMITTING DEPARTMENT. UM, THE EXISTING TOWER THAT IS THERE, IF WE WERE TO FINISH IT OUT, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN EGRESS AREA AT THE EXTERIOR. UM, I'M WORKING WITH THE CITY TO SEE IF WE COULD POSSIBLY JUST, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT UNIT ON THE THIRD FLOOR WOULD BE A, THE 693 SQUARE FOOT. UM, THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE, OR THE, UH, THE THIRD FLOOR WOULD BE ABOUT AROUND FOUR 50 SQUARE FOOT WITH A MEZZANINE BEDROOM AT ABOUT 193 SQUARE FOOT. SO WE, WE WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN, UM, JUST SO THAT WE WOULDN'T, UH, UH, ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE FOURTH FLOOR, BECAUSE IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A SECOND STAIR FOR EGRESS. SO YOU SAID YOU'RE POTENTIALLY ADDING AN EXTERIOR STAIRCASE AS WELL? UH, NO, IT, IT WOULD BE STILL ON THE INTERIOR SIDE. WE WOULD BE, WE JUST REWORKING THE INTERIOR STAIR TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE NEW UNITS FOR EGRESS. YOU STILL HAVE A HALLWAY OF SOME SORT OR A CORRIDOR OF SOME. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL OPEN IT UP AND ASK FOR ANY SPEAKERS. MS. EMER, I HAVE ONE CARD. MAYOR MARK WICKERSHAM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM MARK WICKERSHAM. I RESIDE 6 0 7 GOODWIN DRIVE IN RICHLAND PARK, WHICH IS A NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. I AM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF MULTI, MULTI-TENANT HOUSING. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE PROPERTY IS VERY NICE. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE ACTUAL EGRESS ONE ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN THEY DESIGNED AND BUILT IT, BUT THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD ENTER THE PROPERTY IS IF YOU'RE GOING NORTHBOUND ON ABRAMS. IF YOU GO SOUTHBOUND ON ABRAMS OR ANY DIRECTION ON BUCKINGHAM, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN ON PARK BEND AS SOMEONE WHO EXITS THAT, EXITS THAT. MY SUBDIVISION FROM THAT INTERSECTION. I'VE HAD MANY NEAR MISSES, PEOPLE MAKING U-TURNS. AND AS YOU WELL WELL KNOW, ABRAMS IS TWO LANES EACH WAY, AND THERE'S NOT, NOT A LOT OF ROOM TO MAKE U-TURNS, ESPECIALLY IF I HAVE A LARGE VEHICLE. SO MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND WONDER IF IT WOULD [01:25:01] BE POSSIBLE MAYBE TO HAVE AN EXTRA ENTRANCE ON BUCKINGHAM TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW PUTTING A NO U-TURN SIGN WOULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. WICKERSHAM. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC? ALRIGHT. OH, GO AHEAD. UH, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO FILL OUT ANOTHER CARD, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE, BUT GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS FIRST, SIR. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. SORRY. I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ACTUALLY JOIN BEHIND THAT SINCE THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WAS RECENTLY ELECTED TO BE THE, THE PRESIDENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT IS A, A CONCERN THAT OUR COMMUNITY SHARES WITH REGARDS TO THAT U-TURN. UM, IT'S ONE, ONE EGRESS AND, AND INGRESS FROM ANY OTHER SITE EXCEPT GOING NORTHBOUND ON ABRAMS. I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT, AND THIS WILL BE A CITY QUESTION PERHAPS FOR, UH, MAYOR OMAR OR, UM, CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT A, A TURN IN LANE. IF YOU'RE GOING, UM, SOUTHBOUND THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER UP ON THE ROAD OR, OR AN INGRESS ON THE, UH, BUCKINGHAM SIDE AS WELL. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD BE GREAT, BUT NOT OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE UNITS AHEAD. I THINK THAT'S FINE. THE PLACE ALREADY EXISTS. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO VISUAL CHANGE TO IT AT ALL. IT'S JUST INCLUDING MORE PEOPLE IN THERE. BUT, UH, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. BLACKMAN. ALRIGHT, UH, MAYOR PROAM, HUTCHEN ROUTER MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER SPEAKERS, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER AINE. I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER, UH, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER AINE. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UM, ALRIGHT. UH, ANY THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, FEELINGS? COUNCIL MEMBER AINE? UH, YEAH, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN CAME OUT FROM THE DISCUSSION IS THAT THE U-TURN. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ASK OUR STAFF WHY THIS IS NOT GONNA, IT IS WHETHER THIS IS POSSIBLE OR NOT, AND WHY IS NOT POSSIBLE AND WHY? WELL, I I I WOULD TELL YOU IT'S EXTREMELY TIGHT IN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE INTERSECTION AND, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO THAT. UM, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, EXTREMELY SHORT. THERE'S ALSO A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE, UH, NORTHBOUND. AND SO I CANNOT SAY FOR, I CANNOT SAY FOR CERTAIN, OR I CANNOT SAY FOR CERTAIN IT'S NOT POSSIBLE OR THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TONIGHT THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS REALLY BEEN BROUGHT UP. BUT, UM, WE, WE CAN EVALUATE. BUT, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, SHAEL, I, I, I COULD NOT SAY FOR SURE WHETHER IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD EVEN SUPPORT GIVEN, UH, THE EXTREMELY TIGHT AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND, AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DEDICATED TURN LEFT NORTHBOUND. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE AERIAL AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY SHORT DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE THAT DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE ENDS ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE AND WHERE THIS ENTRANCE TO THE MULTIFAMILY IS. AND SO YOU, WE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF METRICS AROUND STACKING AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK YOU'D MAKE THE DECISION, ASSUMING IT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME. OKAY. THANK YOU, UH, JOHN. AND, BUT ALSO THE OBSERVATION LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO ANY OTHER SITE PLAN CHANGE, IT'LL PROBABLY REQUIRE COUNCIL REVIEW OR THE PC REVIEW BECAUSE PARKING NEED TO BE PROBABLY REDUCED. SOME OTHER MENT NEED TO BE DONE. SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY MORE COMPLICATED THAN WE CAN JUST SAY IT'LL BE DONE. SO, NO, I, I THINK SOMETHING THAT, I THINK THE STAFF CAN LOOK AT IT IF SOMETHING CAN BE DONE. THAT'S MY JUST OPINION. COUNCILMAN MCC CORCORAN? I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAN SENTIMENTS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK I, I APPRECIATE THE, I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, BUT I ALSO THINK A SMALL CHANGE REQUEST LIKE THIS IS REALLY NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR US TO KIND OF TRY TO EXTRACT CONCESSIONS FROM THE OWNER AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO MODIFYING THE WHOLE SITE PLAN. COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE TOO, SINCE, UM, I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE U-TURN THERE AT PARK BEND IS, IS ALWAYS TROUBLESOME AND NOT EVERYONE CAN MAKE THE U-TURN. THEY HAVE TO STOP BACK UP AND YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC COMING BOTH DIRECTIONS. I ALSO UNDERSTAND, IN CONSIDERING THE INDUSTRY I'M IN, KNOWING THAT YOU, IT'S HARD TO PUT IN ANOTHER EGRESS ENTRANCE INTO THE FACILITY BECAUSE OF THE SHORT, UM, THE SHORTNESS OVER OFF OF BUCKINGHAM. SOON AS YOU PASS THE LIGHT, YOU DON'T WANT STACKING TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE, RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE LIGHT. SO THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. AND THE ONLY OTHER OP UH, OP, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO POTENTIALLY [01:30:01] EVEN PUT A CROSSOVER WHERE THAT ENTRANCE IS. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE BACK TO STACKING AGAIN RIGHT WHEN YOU CROSS THE LIGHT. SO IT, IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD SITUATION BASED ON HOW IT'S SET ON THE PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUESTS FOR THOSE UNITS. I, THOSE ARE PROBABLY GONNA ADD MAYBE THREE OR FOUR VEHICLES POTENTIALLY, UH, IF THEY HAVE VEHICLES. BUT I THINK LATER AT, AT A LATER DATE, WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY CONSIDER THAT AS SOMETHING TO ADDRESS TO SEE IF THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY THERE IN, IN SOME CAPACITY IN SOME WAY. THANK YOU MAYOR TIM HUTCHIN. RIDER, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, MAYOR, I'D LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, GO AHEAD, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 25 DASH 23 AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAPPED GRANITE CHANGE AND ZONING, ROMR DASH RETAIL TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF A DASH NINE 50 DASH M APARTMENT DISTRICT WITH DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR A 3.09 ACRE TRACT OF LAND. LOCATED AT 9 51 ABRAMS ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF ABRAMS ROAD, THE SOUTH SIDE OF BUCKINGHAM ROAD, AND THE NORTH SIDE OF PARK BEND DRIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER AINE. I'LL SECOND IT. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER AINE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? OH, YOU DO HAVE DISCUSSION? NO PROBLEM. TAKE YOUR TIME. SORRY. STAFF CAN PROBABLY ANSWER IT FASTER THAN I CAN FIND IT. IS THE ORDINANCE, UH, DOES IT INCLUDE THE, THE CPCS, UH, CHANGES? YES, IT DOES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, WE [7. CONSIDER RESOLUTION ORDERING A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, ON MAY 2, 2026, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE CONDUCT OF THE ELECTION AND RESOLVING OTHER MATTERS INCIDENT AND RELATED TO SUCH ELECTION.] WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS CONSIDER RESOLUTION ORDERING A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD, UH, ON MAY THE SECOND 2026, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE CONDUCT OF THE ELECTION AND RESOLVING OTHER MATTERS INCIDENT AND RELATED TO SUCH ELECTION. MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR, COUNSEL, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. UH, STARTING BACK ON OCTOBER 6TH WHEN WE HAD A KICKOFF BRIEFING USING NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER FOR WHAT WE CALLED OUR DEEP DIVES. AND THEN ON DECEMBER 15TH, WE PRESENTED YOU WITH, UH, KIND OF AN INITIAL PROPOSITION, UM, DISCUSSION. UM, THAT LED INTO TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE ON JANUARY 5TH AND ONE ON THE 12TH. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, PRESENTING YOU WITH, UH, THE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, $132.2 MILLION IN THE STREETS PROPOSITION. THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY PROJECTS AS WELL AS, UH, STREETS AND ALLEYS. UH, A SIDEWALK PROPOSITION THAT INCLUDED, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL ZONES AS WELL AS, UM, FUNDING FOR, UM, FILLING SIDEWALK GAP PROJECTS, UH, DRAINAGE PUBLIC BUILDINGS, UH, AND PARKS. OF COURSE, OF COURSE. UM, OF NOTE WITH THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS, UH, YOU SEE THE, THE $36 MILLION WITH AN ASTERISK, THAT'S BECAUSE 23.5 MILLION OF THOSE DOLLARS WERE ASKING JUST TO BE AUTHORIZED AT THIS TIME. UM, THOSE WOULD BE, UH, SOLD AS PART OF, UH, A YEAR SIX OF THIS SALE. IF, IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, OR POTENTIALLY YEAR ONE OF, OF, OF A, UH, A FUTURE BOND PROGRAM. UM, BUT WANTING THOSE DOLLARS AUTHORIZED BEFORE WE LAUNCH AND EXPEND DOLLARS ON THE DESIGN OF FIRE STATION SEVEN, WHICH ALL OF THOSE DOLLARS WOULD BE, UM, INCLUDED. THEN OF COURSE, ALSO IN THAT PROPOSITION IS THE APPARATUS BUILDING JUST NORTH OF FIRE STATION FIVE, AS WELL AS, UH, THE REMODELING OF, UH, FIRE STATION SIX, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE THE LAST OF OUR FIRE STATIONS TO BE UPDATED FOR THINGS LIKE A DA COMPLIANCE AND, UM, AND, UM, BOTH, UH, FACILITIES FOR BOTH OUR, OUR MALE AND FEMALE FIREFIGHTERS. AND SO, AGAIN, UH, NOT TO BELABOR THIS POINT, WE'VE, UH, GONE THROUGH THIS IN GREAT DETAIL ON THE PUBLIC, UM, TAKEN THE PUBLIC INPUT. UM, AND, UM, OF COURSE YOU'VE REFINED THE PROPOSITIONS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVED SEVERAL TIMES. AND SO AM MAYOR, WE HAVE, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, HAVE THE RESOLUTION, UH, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY OF THE PROPOSITIONS. IF NOT, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR DELIBERATION ON THIS ITEM. ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MAGNER? ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS OF ANY KIND? YES, MAYOR PROTIME HU MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO ORDER A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ON MAY 2ND, 2026 FOR THE $223.4 MILLION ISSUANCE, UH, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE CONDUCT OF THE ELECTION AND RESOLVING OTHER MATTERS INCIDENT RELATED TO SUCH ELECTION. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. OH, I JUST HAD A COMMENT DURING DISCUSSION. I'LL HOLD. WE, WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN DO IT DURING DISCUSSION IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. YES. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I'M GONNA SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. UM, MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I OBVIOUSLY HAD SOME STRONG THOUGHTS, UM, BECAUSE I DID NOT FEEL THAT THE PARKS PIECE WAS, UM, PASSED [01:35:01] THE SNIFF TEST. I DID NOT. UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THAT THAT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DO WANNA STATE THAT I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR, BECAUSE OF ONE PIECE THAT I MAY DISAGREE WITH, TO DENY THE PEOPLE OF RICHARDSON LOTS OF GOOD WORK THAT THE, THAT THE BOND WILL BE PUTTING INTO OUR CITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK THAT THE CITY MUCH NEEDS. SO I WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THAT FOR THOSE REASONS. ALTHOUGH THERE IS THAT PIECE I, I DISAGREE WITH, FOR THE MOST PART. IT'S A GREAT BOND, I BELIEVE, AND IT HAS MY SUPPORT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ROYO, SINCE WE OPEN DISCUSSION, I'LL JUST SAY I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT A RECORD NUMBER FOR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE STREETS AND ALLEYS SIDE. SO, SUPER EXCITED TO SEE THAT IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE HOMEROOM, I'M SORRY, HOME RULE CITY CHARTER TO BE HELD ON MAY 2ND, 2026, PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE HOME RULE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ELECTION SERVICES CONTRACTS WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY AND COLLIN COUNTY ELECTIONS DEPARTMENTS. UH, BEFORE, UH, WE MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION, UH, OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, COUNSEL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 5 51 0.0711 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNSEL WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING AGENDA NUMBER ITEM EIGHT. THE TIME IS 7 37 ON [8. CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE HOME RULE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON TO BE HELD ON MAY 2, 2026; PROVIDING FOR THE PUBLICATION AND POSTING OF NOTICE; PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE HOME RULE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON; AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ELECTION SERVICES CONTRACTS WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY AND COLLIN COUNTY ELECTIONS DEPARTMENTS; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE ] ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. AND, UH, MR. MAG, TAKE IT FROM HERE. YES, UH, MAYOR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, UH, AN ORDINANCE, UH, TO ADDRESS THE, UH, CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION. UM, THIS MAY, UM, YOU'VE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED, UH, WITH, UM, A, UH, LIST OF THE PROPOSITIONS AS THEY WOULD BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT. AND THEN, UH, ATTACHMENT A IS A RED LINE OF THE CURRENT, UH, CHARTER WITH ALL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, TYING BACK, UH, TO THE AMENDMENT AND, UH, THAT LETTER, UM, AS IT AS IT WOULD, UH, WOULD RELATE. AND SO, UH, MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, UM, IT'S UP, UH, I, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU TO OPEN UP TO DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL AND THEN ULTIMATELY FOR YOU TO TAKE AN ACTION, UH, CALLING THE ELECTION, UH, WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT'S PLACED, UH, ON, IN THE AGENDA AS, UH, OR, OR SOME OTHER VERSION, . OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY WANNA OPEN THIS UP AND START THE CONVERSATION? COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE? SURE. UM, THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT. UM, I KEPT A TALLY JUST TO TRY AND THEME THE COMMENTS SO THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I REALLY HEARD EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID TONIGHT. SO, WHAT I HEARD COMING FROM THE AUDIENCE, UM, UH, I THINK THERE WERE 11 PEOPLE WHO MENTIONED, UM, THAT THIS TARGETED A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER RELATED TO FAIRNESS, UM, IN THE RECALL OF A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, UH, THERE WAS A LEGALITY QUESTION. UM, I, I THINK, AT LEAST I FEEL COMFORTABLE AFTER HAVING RECEIVED, UH, LEGAL ADVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WILL SET THAT ONE, UH, TO THE SIDE. UM, ONE COMMENT RELATED TO, UM, UH, CLEAR AND NEUTRAL JUSTIFICATION, MR. WICKERSHAM, IF HE'S STILL HERE, I, I APPRECIATED THAT AND, AND I WILL GIVE MY JUSTIFICATION. UM, UH, AFTER THAT, I THINK THERE WERE TWO OTHERS THAT JOINED YOU AND, AND THAT, THAT CALL AS WELL. UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY, I THINK THAT WE'RE, UH, COMING AT THIS FROM SORT OF, UM, AN INCOMPLETE SET OF FACTS. UM, AGAIN, 11 PEOPLE, UH, SAID THAT THIS WOULD TARGET A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER. MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THIS, THERE WILL BE A, ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WILL SEEK OFFICE. UM, SO THIS DOES NOT TARGET A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, SO THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME, THAT THAT'S THE NARRATIVE, BECAUSE I, I HAVE TO REJECT THAT NARRATIVE KNOWING WHAT I KNOW AND THAT I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU DO AS WELL. BUT, BUT SETTING THAT ASIDE, I WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT INFORMS, UH, WHAT I WANNA READ TO YOU TONIGHT. UM, GIVEN THE EMOTION ATTACHED TO THIS, BECAUSE I, I DO THINK THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF LOVE SHOWN FOR, FOR COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, AND, AND THERE SHOULD BE. HE'S A GREAT COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, BUT I, I WANNA SET THE EMOTION ASIDE AND JUST REALLY TALK ABOUT THE PRACTICAL PROCEDURAL ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. UM, A FEW THINGS TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, [01:40:01] AGAIN, I, UH, NOT EVERYBODY'S PLAYING FROM THE SAME SET OF FACTS. SO I THINK THAT, THAT IT WOULD HELP TO, TO LEVEL SET WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE. UM, IF A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER WERE TO RESIGN AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE BY CHOICE OR BY CHARTER AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE CHARTER PROVISION THAT REQUIRES THAT THE COUNCIL APPOINT A REPLACEMENT. UM, THERE'S NOT AN EXACT DEADLINE FOR REPLACING THE COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, BUT THE LAW SUGGESTS THAT THE APPOINTMENT SHOULD OCCUR WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 120 DAYS FROM THE RESIGNATION. THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION INCLUDES A HOLDOVER PROVISION. THAT PROVISION ALLOWS A RESIGNING COUNCIL MEMBER TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE COUNCIL UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THEIR REPLACEMENT IS SWORN IN. SO, IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE, THEY AREN'T THROWN OUT OF OFFICE. IF THEY CHOOSE, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE. UH, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO SERVE, BUT IT IS THE RIGHT TO DO SO IF THEY CHOOSE. UM, AS HAS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DISCUSSIONS, IT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION THAT SHOULD A SINGLE VACANCY OCCUR, THAT THIS COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE RESIGNING MEMBER, IF THEY SO CHOOSE, UM, WILL PUBLICLY DISCUSS A PROCESS FOR APPOINTING A PERSON TO REPLACE THE RESIGNING COUNCIL MEMBER. AND AS I SAID, UP FRONT, IF THERE ARE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE TO RESIGN BY CHOICE OR BY CHARTER AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD TRIGGER A CHARTER PROVISION THAT REQUIRES THE COUNCIL TO CALL AN ELECTION TO FILL THOSE SEATS. SO NOW THAT WE SORT OF HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THAT, I WANNA TALK ABOUT ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, THE RETROACTIVE VERSUS THE PROSPECTIVE. UM, SHOULD NO COUNCIL MEMBER RESIGN BETWEEN NOW AND MAY WHEN THIS PROVISION WAS LIKELY TO BE ON THE BALLOT, THEN THE FOLLOWING WOULD OCCUR IF THE PROVISION IS EFFECTIVE AND APPLICABLE, IMMEDIATELY RETROACTIVE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAD ANNOUNCED OR OTHERWISE FILED TO RUN FOR OFFICE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO AUTOMATIC RESIGNATION ON OR ABOUT MAY 11TH, 2026, WHEN THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION WOULD BE CANVASSED. IF A RESIGN TO RUN PROPOSITION PASSES AND CREATES A SA, A SINGLE VACANCY, THEN AS PREVIOUSLY EXPRESSED, IT IS MY EXPECTATION THE COUNCIL WOULD DISCUSS PUBLICLY A PROCESS TO APPOINT A REPLACEMENT. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE RESIGNING COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HOLD OVER AND TAKE PART IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. ASSUMING THE 120 DAY DEADLINE IS MET TO THE DAY THE COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO REPLACE THE RESIGNING COUNCIL MEMBER BY ABOUT SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2026, WHICH IS A WEEK BEFORE THE COUNCIL WOULD BE VOTING ON A BUDGET. IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO APPOINT SOMEONE EARLIER, THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD BE APPOINTED IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET SEASON. IF THERE WERE TWO VACANCIES PRIOR TO THE, TO OR FOLLOWING PASSAGE OF A RESIGN TO RUN PROVISION, THEN THE COUNCIL WOULD CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, 2026. IT WOULD COST THE CITY ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ADD THIS TO THE NOVEMBER, 2026 GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT. ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT IDEAL TO APPOINT A COUNCIL MEMBER DURING BUDGET SEASON, OR TO HAVE TO SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON AN ELECTION, AN IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE RESIGN TO RUN PROVISION WOULD PROVIDE STABILITY AND PREDICTABILITY FOR THE COUNCIL, THE CITY STAFF, AND THE RESIDENTS, THE COUNCIL AND AND CITY STAFF AND RESIDENTS WOULD KNOW IN MAY THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO EITHER START AN APPOINTMENT PROCESS OR TO BUDGET FOR AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2026. NOW, IF THE PROPOSITION WERE PROSPECTIVE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN? A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAD ANNOUNCED THEIR CANDIDACY PRIOR TO PASSAGE OF THE PROSPECTIVE PROPOSITION WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED. PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN. A COUNCIL MEMBER COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, LATER RESIGN TO FOCUS ON RUNNING A CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE CHARTER PROVISION REQUIRING APPOINTMENT OF A REPLACEMENT. IF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE TO RESIGN BEFORE MID-AUGUST, THEN AN ELECTION WOULD BE HELD IN NOVEMBER, 2026. IF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE TO RESIGN AFTER MID-AUGUST, THEN THERE WOULD BE TWO VACANCIES ON THE COUNCIL UNTIL MAY OF 2027 WHEN AN ELECTION WOULD BE HELD. THAT COUNCIL MEMBER COULD WIN THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, PROMPTING A RESIGNATION AT THAT TIME, OR POTENTIALLY HOLDING OVER UNTIL SWORN IN, IN JANUARY OF 2027, UM, THEREBY CREATING A VACANCY EITHER IN NOVEMBER OF 2026 OR IN JANUARY OF 2027. IF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WIN ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER, THEN TWO VACANCIES WOULD OCCUR ON THE COUNCIL IN EITHER NOVEMBER OF 26 OR JANUARY OF 27. THIS WOULD MAKE IT EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONDUCT BUSINESS FOR THOSE FIVE TO SEVEN MONTHS UNTIL THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION IN MAY OF 2027. A QUORUM OF THIS COUNCIL IS FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS. IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WERE TO FALL ILL, OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON, NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND A COUNCIL MEETING, THE COUNCIL COULD NOT CONVENE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. UH, THE VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE POLICY WOULD BE MOOT BECAUSE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FIVE, HAVE TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT FOR THE MEETING TO PROCEED. IF THERE WERE ONLY ONE VACANCY FOLLOWING THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, IF ONE WERE TO LOSE, ONE, WERE TO LOSE, UH, TO WIN, EXCUSE ME, IT'S LESS LIKELY COUNT. LESS LIKELY THE COUNCIL WOULD FACE QUORUM ISSUES. HOWEVER, A SPLIT DECISION BY THE REMAINING SIX MEMBERS, MEANING A THREE THREE VOTE, WOULD RESULT IN DENIAL OF WHATEVER MEASURE MAY BE BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THAT IS A PRECARIOUS POSITION FOR ANY APPLICANT. THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY [01:45:01] THAT, UH, THE CANDIDATES COULD LOSE AND THEN WOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE THROUGH THE END OF THE TERM IN MAY OF 2027. SO, AS ILLUSTRATED, THE CITY COULD BE HELD IN LIMBO FOR MANY MONTHS IF THE RESIGNED TO RUN PROVISION WAS PROSPECTIVE IN NATURE. FOR ME, IT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE TO SUPPORT A PROPOSITION, UM, THAT, THAT HAS THAT SORT OF UNCERTAINTY ATTACHED TO IT. UM, SO THE FOREGOING, I THINK, ILLUSTRATES WHY I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST, UM, TO, TO GO FORWARD FOR THE CITY STAFF, THE COUNCIL, AND THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE CERTAINTY WITH THIS UNPRECEDENTED SITUATION. UM, GIVEN THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANCE MORE THAN ONE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS OR WILL ANNOUNCE THEIR INTENTION TO RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE. OPTION TWO, REQUIRING AUTOMATIC RESIGNATION FOR ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS ANNOUNCED OR FILED TO BE A CANDIDATE FOR ANOTHER OFFICE IS THE OPTION THAT I BELIEVE PROVIDES FINITE, PREDICTABLE PATH FORWARD. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED. UM, SO AGAIN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE THAT I, I THINK MY COMMENTS HAVE ILLUSTRATED THAT FOR ME, THERE ARE PRACTICAL PROCEDURAL REASONS WHY I THINK THAT THIS, UM, SHOULD BE RETROACTIVE IN NATURE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, I WON'T SAY AS MUCH AS COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE'S COMMENTS, BUT JUST BECAUSE WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ONCE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION IS STILL THE SAME. UH, I AGREE, I DISAGREE WITH RESIGN TO RUN IN PRINCIPLE, ESPECIALLY FOR BODIES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE SHORT TERMS OR RESIDENTS CAN QUITE QUICKLY VOTE OUT SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT SERVE THE PEOPLE WELL. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME ON THAT, BUT I, I WILL ALSO, YOU KNOW, TALK TO, TO MY COLLEAGUES AND JUST SAY, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A CHARTER BOND ELECTION WITH A CONTROVERSIAL PROPOSITION ON THE BALLOT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS AND WILL BE A, A VERY BIG DISTRACTION FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS ON THE BALLOT. UM, YOU KNOW, HEARING ALL THE COMMENTS TONIGHT. AND THEN JUST THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SORT OF, THE IDEA THAT THE RESIGN TO RUN, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS ANNOUNCING FOR OFFICE IS GONNA SORT OF FORCE EVERYONE TO BUDGET FOR AN ELECTION. I MEAN, THAT'S ONLY THE CASE IF THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT IS PUT ON THE BALLOT. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT COUNCILMAN BRA BARRIOS, OR ANYONE ELSE ON COUNCIL WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE CONSIDERING RUNNING IS FORCING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ELECTION. UM, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO WHETHER WE PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT OR NOT, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT PASSES. COUNCIL MEMBER DOYEN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, ONE, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT, AND I TOO TOOK NOTES ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND PRIMARILY, YOU KNOW, UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY DIRECTED TOWARD, UH, ONE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, I'VE WRITTEN DOWN A FEW THINGS HERE. I JUST WANNA READ THESE OFF SO YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. I, I WANNA SECOND THE, UH, AND, AND, AND ALSO THANK COUNCILMAN JUSTICE FOR KIND OF DELIVERING THE, THE PROTOCOL OF HOW THAT WORKS AND, UM, AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE COUNCIL FOR THE FUTURE. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES. IT WOULD AFFECT ALL OF US, AND IT DOES AFFECT ALL OF US. UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THIS SITUATION BEFORE. UM, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESS OR SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. AND EVEN, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR HE HAD SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THIS, PUTTING IT IN THE CHARTER. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS, UH, FOR SOME REASON, NEITHER ONE, NO ONE HEARD THAT, OR WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT AND IT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD. BUT EVEN HE TOO, WAS, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS. IN MY OPINION, THIS IS NOT REALLY DIRECTED TO ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL, NOR IS IT PERSONAL. AND, AND I FIND IT KIND OF SAD THAT WE HAVE, IT'S BECOME LOBBIED AND DIRECTED TO BE EFFECTIVE. 'CAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT POTENTIALLY MAY AFFECT THIS DIFFERENTLY. AS, AS COUNCILMAN JUSTICE MENTIONED MENTIONED EARLIER. BUT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THE PROBLEM FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE COUNCILS. UH, WE ARE ALL SWORN IN OATH TO SERVE THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS AND HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE HAVE ANY ELECTED SEAT HOLDER COMMIT TO 30 TO 40 HOURS A WEEK? THAT INCLUDE GOING TO HOA MEETINGS, RIBBON CUTTINGS, FIRE, POLICE EVENTS, COMMUNITY EVENTS, AND MANY OTHER INVOLVEMENTS. WE ALSO HAVE, AND IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE CITY. WE DO A LOT OF THINGS OUTSIDE THE CITY. I KNOW THAT WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR TIME TO THE CHARTER REVIEW THIS YEAR, I KNOW THAT PERSONALLY I HAD UP TO 42 HOURS A WEEK THAT I SPENT, IT'S A FULL-TIME JOB FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND THIS, [01:50:01] SO EVERYONE KNOWS WE BARELY, WE DON'T REALLY EVEN GET PAID FOR THIS POSITION. AND THAT'S NOT WHY ANYONE ON THIS DS RUNS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. SO, IF IT WAS FOR THE MONEY, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD RUN, HONESTLY. BUT POINT IS, IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF EVENTS OUTSIDE THE CITY. UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE TO GO DOWN TO AUSTIN FOR LEGISLATIVE ISSUES ANNUALLY. WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE OUR WASHINGTON TRIPS THAT WE GO AND ADVOCATE FOR THE CITY AND STATE LEGISLATION. SO WE HAVE OUR TML EVENTS THAT WE HAVE AT EITHER IN AUSTIN OR SAN ANTONIO OR HOUSTON. SO WE DO A LOT OF STUFF OUTSIDE THE CITY. AND WE ALSO GO TO OTHER EVENTS AND OTHER MEETINGS WITH THE WATER DISTRICT AND DART OUTSIDE THE CITY. SO THERE'S DRIVE TIME, THERE'S GASOLINE EXPENSE, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME SPENT IN THIS POSITION FOR SOMEONE RUNNING FOR MULTIPLE POSITIONS. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO IT AND CAMPAIGN FOR IT AS WELL. BUT DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE ROLE PROFESSIONALLY AND ETHICALLY, ANY MEMBERS RUNNING FOR A FEDERAL OR LOCAL ELECTED SEAT OR APPOINTED POSITION SHOULD RESPECTFULLY RESIGN. ALLOWING THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO COMMIT TO RUN AND POTENTIALLY ALLOW A GOVERNMENTAL BODY TO SELECT A CANDIDATE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND BETWEEN 30 AND 40 HOURS A WEEK TO SERVE THE CITY, THE RESIDENTS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS. I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE. WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, I HAD TO RESIGN THREE BOARD POSITIONS, MY BOARD ON THE RICHARDSON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA, THE WILDFLOWER COMMITTEE, THE CHAMBER. AND I ALSO HAD TO PASS OFF ALL THE CURRENT PROJECTS I WAS WORKING ON IN RICHARDSON TO SOME, TO ANOTHER ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, BECAUSE POTENTIALLY THEY MAY HAVE, BUT, UH, SOME TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONCESSIONS. I HAD TO GIVE THAT UP AS WELL, WHICH, THAT'S A BIG THING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE, PUT GAS IN YOUR VEHICLE. SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT, UH, DETAILS TO LOOK AT. I THINK YOU, WE HAVE RULES SET UP TO WHERE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN FOR MAYOR, A COUNCILMAN HAS TO STEP DOWN. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL HAVE RESPECT FOR COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. AND I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL. I FIND THAT JUST REALLY, HONESTLY, I HATE TO USE THE TERM, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF A LIE. IT'S, WE'RE NOT TARGETING ANYONE. I WANT, I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT DAN IS VERY RESPECTED ON THIS COUNCIL, AND WE'VE ALL RE WE ALL RESPECT HIM. AND I FEEL, AND HE HAS HIS OPINIONS. WE HAVE OUR OPINIONS, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL. I WANNA MAKE IT ABOUT WHAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT, FOR THE CITY, THE RESIDENTS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, MAYOR PROAM, HUTCHIN RIDER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS MADE THAT HAVE, THAT ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE VERY, UH, POIGNANT THAT I THINK WE ALL NEED TO, TO LISTEN TO. I WANNA SAY THANK YOU AS WELL. UM, THAT, THAT PEOPLE BECAME, UM, I'LL SAY MOTIVATED TO COME OUT AND EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS. I WOULD ALSO SAY I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TONIGHT BECAUSE I HAD QUITE, I, I PERSONALLY HAD QUITE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME AND SAY THAT THEY SUPPORTED IT. AND I SAID, AND I SAID THE SAME THING TO, IF YOU SAID TO ME YOU SUPPORTED IT, OR YOU SAID THAT YOU OPPOSED IT, I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING, WHICH WAS, PLEASE COME AND SHARE YOUR VIEWS. UM, AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF IT ARE NOT HERE. BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE. UM, WHO, WHO FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT THIS? I, I JUST WANNA SAY NUMBER ONE IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM IS HOWEVER, DECIDE TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. I'M NOT TARGETING ANYONE. I'M NOT, UH, I, I HONESTLY, HONESTLY DO NOT FEEL IN MY HEART OF HEARTS THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS WHAT SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT AND THAT WERE MADE LAST WEEK AND THAT HAVE BEEN MADE DURING THE, THE, THE COUPLE OF WEEKS IS, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT TO GET DAN. I CAN HONESTLY LOOK AT YOU AND I CAN LOOK AT ANYONE AND SAY, IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, AM I GOING AFTER ANYONE? I HAVE ONE OVERARCHING WRITING CONCERN RIGHT NOW. I AM SICK TO DEATH OF PARTISAN POLITICS, BOTH SIDES, 100%. I'M SICK TO DEATH OF PEOPLE SAYING WHAT THEY'RE AGAINST AND NOT WHAT THEY'RE FOR. ONE OF THE THINGS I ABSOLUTELY LOVE SERVING ON THIS COUNCIL IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE NONPARTISAN. WE COME IN AND I TRULY DO BELIEVE THAT WE COME IN AND TRY TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS CITY. NOW, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA AGREE, AND Y'ALL HAVE SEEN, WE'VE HAD, GOSH, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE TO 2, 4, 3 VOTES AND A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CASES, DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN I GET UP AFTER A MEETING, I KNOW IN MY HEART OF HEARTS THAT THE SEVEN OF US HAVE IT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, TRIED TO VOTE [01:55:01] FOR AND, AND, AND MAKE DETERMINATIONS WHAT WAS BEST FOR THIS CITY. I AM CONCERNED, AND THIS IS MY OVERARCHING CONCERN, THAT WHEN SOMEONE DECLARES TO RUN FOR AN OFFICE, TO ME, IT DOESN'T MATTER THE OFFICE AND IT, AND I COULD CARE LESS WHAT PARTY IT IS, BUT IT, WE RUN THE MAJOR RISK OF INTRODUCING PARTISAN POLITICS INTO, INTO OUR CITY COUNCIL. IT CAN BE FROM A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS. IT CAN BE THAT SOMEONE FUNDS SOMEONE'S CAMPAIGN BECAUSE THEY'RE FUNDING IT BASED ON WHETHER THEY'RE AN R OR A D. AND THEN THEY, THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I PUT A MAJOR AMOUNT OF MONEY TOWARDS YOUR, YOUR WHATEVER RUN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA, I WANNA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TALK WITH YOU. SO THAT'S MY OVERARCHING CONCERN, IS THE INJECTION OF PARTISAN POLITICS, BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF THEM. I HOPE Y'ALL ARE AS TIRED OF 'EM AS I AM. I'M TIRED OF GOING HOME EVERY NIGHT TURNING ON THE TV AND JUST SEEING THIS PARTISANSHIP ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'M NOT, I MEAN, IT FRUSTRATES ME THAT, THAT CANDIDATES DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO. IF THEY'RE ELECTED, IT'S, I'M AGAINST THE OTHER PERSON BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN CERTAIN THINGS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. AND SO MY OVERARCHING GOAL IS THAT WHEN YOU DECLARE FOR ANOTHER POSITION, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A PARTISAN, WHICH OTHER THAN HERE, PRETTY MUCH MOST OTHER POSITIONS THAT ANYONE WOULD DECLARE FOR IS GONNA BE A PARTISAN POSITION. I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM PARTISANSHIP, LEAKS INTO THIS COUNCIL. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST DON'T EVER WANNA SEE WHETHER I'M ON THIS COUNCIL, FUTURE COUNSEL, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE RESIGN TO RUN, WHETHER IT'S PROSPECTIVE OR RETROSPECTIVE. I STILL HAVE THAT AS A QUESTION IN MY MIND. BUT, BUT THAT'S THE REASON. AND I WANTED TO PUT, UH, WE, WE WERE BASICALLY ASKED AS TO PLEASE PUT OUR REASON AS TO WHY WE WERE, WE WERE IN SUPPORT OR, OR, OR AGAINST, OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER OUR POSITIONS WERE. THAT IS, THAT IS MY POSITION, UM, IS THAT CONCERN ABOUT PARTISANSHIP LEAKING IN. BECAUSE AS WAS SAID, YOU KNOW, I I, I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO, IF SOMETHING'S IMPORTANT TO SOMEONE, THEY'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT TIME AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO DO IT. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU TO GET UP EVERY MORNING AND DO 45 MINUTES OF WORKOUT, YOU'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET UP. YOU KNOW, YOU'LL WAKE UP 45 MINUTES EARLY AND DO 45 MINUTES WORTH OF WORKOUT. PERSONALLY, I DON'T DO THAT. I'LL FREELY ADMIT THAT . UM, SO IF THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO ME TO WAKE UP 45 MINUTES EARLY, I KIND OF VALUE MY SLEEP. I CAN GET IT. UM, BUT I LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, DO I THINK SOMEONE WHO, WHO IS GOING TO RUN FOR A POSITION, CAN THEY BALANCE IT OUT AND MAKE IT ALL WORK? YES, I HOPE SO. I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH, AND I WANT EVERYONE TO ALSO UNDERSTAND, PLEASE KNOW, AS WAS I, I BELIEVE, UH, WHERE COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE WAS GOING. WE HAVE NO ABILITY. SO IF, IF SOMEONE, AND I'M NOT, AND AGAIN, PLEASE HEAR ME LOUD AND CLEAR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL, IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE AND THEY TOTALLY, BASICALLY ABDICATE ADVOCATE, THEY DON'T COME TO CITY COUNCIL, THEY DON'T SHOW UP TO EVENTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WE AS A COUNCIL ARE POWERLESS. WE HAVE NO POWER. WE CANNOT VOTE THEM OUT. WE CAN ABOUT THE MOST WE CAN DO IS QUOTE UNQUOTE CENSURE THEM. AND AS Y'ALL KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A SLAP ON THE WRIST. UM, IT WOULD BE, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO GET VERY, VERY MOTIVATED CAUGHT, TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A RECALL AND DO IT IN A TIMEFRAME THAT IT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL, IF YOU WILL. SO THAT'S, AGAIN, ANOTHER REASON THAT I DO HAVE CONCERN. AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT DIRECTED AT DAN, IT'S NOT DIRECTED AT ANYBODY. IT'S JUST THE REALITY THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO RUN IN THE FUTURE AND THEY TOTALLY ABDICATED THE POSITION, THE CHANCES OF BEING ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKLY ENOUGH AND REACT QUICKLY ENOUGH AS A CITY, AS A, AS, AS VOTERS TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION, PROBABLY NOT, WOULD NOT HAPPEN. SO, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, WE ENDED UP, WE WOULD END UP WITH, IN MANY CASES, ONLY HAVING SIX PEOPLE ON THE DAIS HAVING TO DEAL WITH THREE TO THREE VOTES. UM, IF SOMEONE WAS WA WAS SICK OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER ISSUES GOING ON, WHICH, WHICH HAVE OCCURRED, UM, TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM TO DO THE CITY'S BUSINESS. I I, THERE, THERE IS THAT QUESTION AND THERE IS THAT CONCERN. SO THAT IS IN ALSO IN MY MIND AS TO, TO WHY I [02:00:01] WOULD SUPPORT THE RESIGN TO RUN FEATURE, BECAUSE WE ARE POWERLESS AND PLEASE KNOW THAT WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO, TO SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL PERSON X HERE HAS NOT MADE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF, OF ATTENDANCE RULES OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF, OF, OF THINGS THAT WE CAN, AS A BODY DO TO, TO, TO ATTEMPT TO CORRECT A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A COUNCIL PERSON WHO IS, WHO BECOMES, YOU KNOW, ABSENT IN OFFICE, SO TO SPEAK. SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE MY REASONS. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I PUT IT OUT THERE BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU THIS IS NOT, UM, PERSONALLY I CAN'T, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. I'M GONNA SAY FOR MYSELF. I'M NOT TARGETING ANYONE. I'M NOT TARGETING ANY, ANY, ANY, ANY PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL OR ANY FUTURE COUNSEL OR PAST COUNSEL OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. UM, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VARRIO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I, I HAD PREPARED A LITTLE STATEMENT 'CAUSE, BUT, UH, FIRST I KIND OF WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS. UM, MAYOR PRO TEM, HE MADE SOME VERY VALID POINTS, AND I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. ONE, HE'S VERY TRUE ABOUT THIS BEING A NONPARTISAN COUNSEL. AND I HAVE HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING NOT JUST WITH THIS COUNCIL, BUT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL LAST FRIDAY AS PART OF MY CONGRESSIONAL RUN. I WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, UM, FOR THEIR ENDORSEMENT PROCESS ALONG WITH MY OPPONENT. AND THEY ASKED ABOUT SOME PARTISAN POLITICS AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. AND I TOLD THEM SOMETHING I'VE SAID MANY TIMES. I SAID, LOOK, UM, SERVING ON THE COUNCIL IS LIKE PLAYING 3D CHESS. YOU KIND OF HAVE TO KNOW ONE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SLIDES FOR THE FIRST TIME, OBVIOUSLY YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK. YOU KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S CERTAIN ISSUES. JOE MAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS LINE OF THOUGHT, MAYBE A COUNCILMAN JUSTICE HAS ANOTHER LINE OF THOUGHT. YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW OTHERS VOTE. UM, AND THEN ALSO ANTICIPATE WHAT MIGHT COME UP. TRY TO MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT IN A, IN A SUCCINCT WAY, IN A WAY IN WHICH IT MAKES SENSE TO THE VARIOUS TRAINS OF THOUGHTS WHILE DOING IT LIVE ON TV. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT IT, IT IS LIKE PLAYING 3D CHESS LIFE. BUT WHEN WE COME TO THIS DAAS, WE ALL HOLD PERSONAL POLITICAL BELIEFS. AND IT PROBABLY DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT WHERE MANY OF US LIE. WE CARRY THOSE WITH US. MANY STATES, LOCAL CITY, LOCAL SEATS ARE PARTISAN TEXAS. WE ARE NOT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE PARTISAN VIEWS. WHEN I COME TO THIS DIOCESE, I DON'T STOP HAVING MY OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL VIEWS. I DON'T STOP BEING A FATHER. I DON'T STOP BEING A HUSBAND. I DON'T STOP BEING A METHODIST OR I DON'T STOP BEING THE MANY OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF BEING IN MY LIFE. BUT WHAT, WHAT I TOLD THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS IS I'VE SEEN HAD THE GREAT HONOR OF SERVING ON THE COUNCIL AND CURRENTLY SERVE. AND ALTHOUGH WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS, WE MAKE IT ABOUT THE ISSUES. AND I HAVE HONESTLY, AND I WANNA MAKE THIS CLEAR, IN THE THREE YEARS I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING THE PEOPLE OF RICHARDSON, I'VE NEVER SEEN A SINGLE VOTE GO DOWN A PARTY LINE ON THIS COUNCIL OR THE FORMER COUNCIL BECAUSE WE MAKE IT ABOUT THE TOPIC AT HAND. AND IT HAS BEEN A GREAT HONOR TO, AND I COULD HONESTLY SAY THAT. UM, SO I AGREE WITH YOU MAYOR PRO TEM, AND YES, SOMETIMES THERE'S NO SECRET. THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND I HAVE DISAGREED. AND MANY TIMES WE HAVE AGREED AS COUNCILMAN JUSTICE OR ANYBODY ELSE, WE COULD ALL SAY THAT EVERY PERSON ON THIS DIOCESE CAN SAY THAT, THAT WE AGREE SOMETIMES, AND SOMETIMES WE, WE DISAGREE WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE. THAT IS THE NATURE OF WHAT WE DO. WE, YOU HAVE SEVEN INTELLIGENT, PASSIONATE PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL THAT ALL BRING A UNIQUE VOICE AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, AND BRING UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE. AND, UM, AND WE KEEP IT ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE SUBJECT AT HAND AND DON'T MAKE IT PARTISAN. AND I HOPE THAT THIS AND FUTURE COUNCILS CONTINUE TO CARRY ON THAT TRADITION, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT SERVES LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AFFECTS YOUR LIFE MORE THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. UM, AND IT MOVES A LOT FASTER THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. AND THEREFORE, IT IS THE ONE WE MUST PROTECT THE MOST WHEN IT COMES TO TRULY FOCUSING ON THE ISSUES. UM, SO I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH YOU ON THAT. COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, THE, [02:05:02] THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER. UM, I TOO HAD TO STEP DOWN FROM MULTIPLE BOARDS AND, UM, VARIOUS COUNCILS, EVEN AT MY OWN CHURCH WHEN I TOOK ON, UM, TO, TO SERVE ON THIS BODY. MOST RECENTLY, WHEN I, WHEN I JOINED THE CITY COUNCIL, SINCE I HAD TO STEP DOWN FROM SO MANY BOARDS AT CHURCH, I DECIDED TO START HELPING SERVE COMMUNION. WE, IN MY CHURCH, WE SERVE COMMUNION ONCE A MONTH, AND I STARTED DOING THAT WHEN I RAN FOR, WHEN I MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT TO RUN FOR CONGRESS, I STOPPED DOING THAT BECAUSE THE LAST THING I EVER WANTED TO DO IS HAVE ANY MEMBER OF MY CHURCH THAT I WORSHIP WITH, SEE ME UP THERE SERVING COMMUNION, THINK THAT I'M DOING IT FOR THE ATTENTION THAT I'M DOING IT FOR A VOTE OR FOR ANY, ANY OTHER REASON TEND TO LIVE UP MY FAITH. SO I STOPPED DOING THAT. AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, I RESIGNED FROM MY POSITION, UH, WITH A NONPROFIT. UH, LAST DECEMBER, JENNIFER, UH, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE HAD SOME REALLY VALID POINTS. EVERYTHING SHE SAID WAS TRUE. THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES, OBVIOUSLY. SHE, SHE, SHE'S A GREAT SPEAKER. THERE'S NO DOUBT, UH, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE BRINGS A LOT TO THIS COUNCIL, AND I DEFINITELY COULDN'T COME CLOSE TO EXPLAIN IT THE WAY COUNCILMAN JUSTICE DID. EVERYTHING SHE SAID WAS TRUE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN BASED ON LIKE THIS COUNCIL'S DECISION TONIGHT, BASED ON THE VOTER'S DECISION, BASED ON WHAT I MAY DECIDE TO DO IN THE FUTURE, WHAT, UM, MAYBE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MAY OR MAY NOT DECIDE TO DO IN THE FUTURE. THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES. I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT, THOSE POSSIBILITIES TO A FRIEND WHO'S A VERY SMART PERSON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND HER COMMENT WAS, WOW, HOW CAN YOU EVEN BEGIN TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THOSE POSSIBILITIES? UM, BUT WHILE THOSE ARE ALL POSSIBILITIES, I THINK THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT AND REACT TO THEM, WE'RE GOVERNING, GOVERNING OUT OF A LITTLE BIT OF FEAR. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE SHOULD GOVERN. ONE OF MY CONCERNS, THE FIRST THING I GOT ASKED WHEN I STARTED TESTING THE WATERS, UH, WHEN CONSIDERING A RUN BY MENTORS, BY ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THIS, IN CONGRESS AND STATE LEVEL AND LOCALLY, AND BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHO I GR GREATLY RESPECT, THEIR FIRST QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE TO RESIGN OR RUN? AND I SAID, NO, WE DO NOT HAVE A RESIGN OR RUN RULE THAT PLAYED A MAJOR FACTOR IN MY DECISION TO RUN FOR CONGRESS. IF THAT RULE WOULD'VE BEEN IN PLACE, WHO'S TO SAY WHAT MY DECISION MAY HAVE BEEN? I MAY HAVE CONTINUED TO DECIDE. I MAY HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY MY MENTORS AND BY PEOPLE I RESPECT TO CHOOSE A DIFFERENT PATH. ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT WHILE THERE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, THAT THERE WILL BE A PROCESS DISCUSSED AND TO OPEN. WE DO NOT HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE. Y'ALL PROCESS PROTECTS THE PEOPLE HAVING PROCESS IN PLACE AND CODIFIED PROTECT PEOPLE. IT KEEPS GOVERNMENT, THE PENDULUM OF GOVERNMENT FROM SWINGING. IT PROTECTS PEOPLE FROM ACTIONS BEHIND DOORS. IT PROTECTS PEOPLE IN EVERY WAY. PROCESSES PROTECT PEOPLE WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT. UM, AND THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF MY CONCERNS. NOW, WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO READ SOMETHING, SOMETHING BRIEF THAT KIND OF, SOMEBODY EARLIER THIS WEEK SAID, DAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THIS, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY CONCERNS THAT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE FROM YOUR HEART TONIGHT. UM, THERE, THERE WERE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE CONCERNS. WHILE IT WAS MENTIONED, NOBODY CAME OUT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT TONIGHT. THOSE PEOPLE STILL EXIST. JUST LIKE WHEN I WAS ELECTED. I DID NOT JUST GET ELECTED AND NONE OF US WERE ELECTED TO JUST SERVE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR US. WE WERE ELECTED TO SERVE EVERYBODY. AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN THEAS, MYSELF INCLUDED, DO THAT. AND WE WORKED TOWARDS THAT EVERY, EVERY WEEK. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE US CHECKS, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT US OR MAYBE EVEN VOTE FOR THE SAME PRESIDENT AS WE DID. UM, SO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND MY THOUGHTS, I, I WROTE SOMETHING AS Y'ALL KNOW, SOMETIMES MY BRAIN MOVES A LOT FASTER IN MY MOUTH, SO I WROTE 'EM DOWN JUST SO THAT I DON'T MISS IT. UM, I DO WANT TO ADD, BEFORE I READ THIS THAT, WELL, I THINK IT'S INCLUDING THIS, SO I'LL JUST MOVE ON. [02:10:01] I BELIEVE IN CLEAR RULES, FAIR PROCESSES, AND RESPECTING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. MY CONCERN WITH PROPOSED RESIGNED TO RUN AMENDMENT IS NOT THE CONCEPT ITSELF, BUT THE IDEA OF PLANET RETRO RETROACTIVELY CHANGING THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME AFTER CANDIDATES AND VOTERS HAVE ALREADY ACTED IN GOOD FAITH, RAISES, CONCERNS ABOUT FAIRNESS AND DUE PROCESS. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I HAD SERVED THAT SERVING AS RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS ONE OF THE GREATEST HONORS OF MY LIFE THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. MY INTENTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF RICHARDSON IN THE ROLE THEY ELECTED ME TO WITH FULL FOCUS, INTEGRITY, AND COMMITMENT. IF THERE COMES A DAY WHEN CAMPAIGN DEMANDS, TIME CONSTRAINTS, OR ANY OTHER ISSUE INTERFERES WITH MY ABILITY TO SERVE OR RISK DISTRACTING FROM, OR BRINGING NEGATIVE INTENTION TO THE IMPORTANT WORK DONE BY OUR RESIDENTS, CITY STAFF, BUSINESSES, AND FELLOW ELECTED OFFICIALS, I WILL STEP DOWN. THAT IS THE DECISION I TAKE SERIOUSLY. BUT THAT DECISION SHOULD BE GUIDED BY MY ABILITY TO SERVE AS I WAS ELECTED TO DO AND BY THE WILL OF THE VOTERS, NOT BY RULE CHANGED AFTER THE FACT. MY PRIORITY REMAINS THE SAME. TO HONOR, THE TRUST PLACED IN ME AND TO SERVE THE CITY WHOLEHEARTEDLY, TRANSPARENTLY, AND WITH INTEGRITY. MY HEART IS TO NEVER SAY, DO OR ACT IN ANY WAY THAT WOULD EVER BRING SHAME OR EMBARRASSMENT TO THIS BODY, TO THIS CITY. AND THE AMAZING WORK THAT OUR THOUSAND PLUS STAFF DO, THIS IS AN AMAZING CITY. AND IN DECIDING TO RUN FOR CONGRESS, I KNEW AT SOME POINT WHETHER IT COMES WITH A WIN IN, WHETHER, WHETHER IT COMES WITH A WIN IN NOVEMBER, OR PERHAPS WHEN THE CAMPAIGN GETS SO INTENSE TO THE POINT THAT WHERE I CAN NO LONGER SERVE THE PEOPLE WITH THE INTENSITY, THE CLARITY, AND THE DIRECTION WHICH THEY ELECTED ME TO DO, THEN THAT POINT I HAVE THE RE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO STEP DOWN BECAUSE I OWE IT TO THE VOTERS AND I OWE IT TO THE GREAT PEOPLE OF THE CITY. BUT UNTIL THAT TWO MOMENT COMES, I HONESTLY DO NOT THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE BY A RULE CHANGE AFTER THE FACT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME THE TIME HERE. NO PROBLEM. COUNCIL MEMBER INE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOU KNOW, AS I SAID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT I WISH THIS DISCUSSION DIDN'T COME THAT NIGHT. UH, JUST ABOUT THE TIMING, WE SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSED THIS THING EARLY. IT WOULD'VE BEEN SO EASY OR MUCH LATER. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE TALK ABOUT POSSIBILITIES. THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED THROUGH THAT. WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENED. WE LOOKED THROUGH ALL THIS POSSIBILITY. THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIERS DID NOT THINK ABOUT THE OTHER POSSIBILITY THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY? UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE ALL HAVE TAKEN OATH, UH, WHEN WE TOOK THE OFFICE. AND THOUGH OATH HAD, YOU KNOW, A FEW PARTS IN IT, ONE WAS THE TIME, DEFINITELY THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, PROTECTING THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST. UH, SO TWO PART THERE TIME, EACH ONE HAS THEIR ONE WAY OF MANAGING THE TIME. I CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT I'M THE BETTER TIME MANAGER THAN THE OTHERS. I, I DO MY BEST. I STRUGGLE. I HAVE TO WORK A LOT MORE FOR FEW THINGS. CERTAIN THINGS I PICK VERY QUICKLY. SO I HAVE MY STRENGTH. BUT PROTECTING, PROTECTING THE CITY'S INTEREST, THAT'S THE THING THAT YOU WILL SEE IMMEDIATELY WHAT'S HAPPENING AND YOU'LL SEE THROUGH THEIR ACTION. UH, AND WHAT I LIKE MOST ABOUT THIS CITY IS THAT THIS CITY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL, WE'RE NOT ABOUT PARTISAN. WE ARE, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH STAYS OUT OF THAT PARTISAN, YOU KNOW, POLITICS. UH, AND THAT'S PROBABLY MOTIVATED ME, NOT PROBABLY. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE MOTIVATION THAT I TOOK THAT, YOU KNOW, I LOVE RICHARD SO MUCH AND I GOT INVOLVED HERE AND I FEEL LIKE MOVING EVERY DAY WHENEVER I SEE YOU GUYS, I GET MY ENERGY TO TOTALLY, I RECHARGE MYSELF. UH, THAT'S THE MOTIVATION. AND UH, AND IF YOU LOOK THE OTHER CITIES THAT'S ELECTIONS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER KEN HUT OR MAYOR PROTE HU JUST SAID THAT HE IS TIRED OF IT. I WISH I WAS TIRED OF IT. I FEEL THE PAIN. SO, AND I WA I WISH SOMETIME THAT I WAS IN HIS SHOE OR I WAS IN SOMEONE ELSE'S SHOE. UH, IT REMINDS ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO HOME, LOOK MYSELF IN THE MIRROR, I SEE WHO I AM. YOU [02:15:01] KNOW, OTHER TIME WHEN I STAY WITH YOU GUYS, I FEEL, I FORGET THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL I AM, I FEEL LIKE I'M ONE OF THE MEMBERS. I, I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. I LOVE THIS CITY, AND I WILL PROTECT AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS CITY, I'LL DO IT TO THAT WITHOUT EMOTION. AND THAT'S THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DO. YOU KNOW, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LOVE SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING, BUT IF IT IS BEST FOR THE CITY, WE NEED TO DO THAT. THINGS. UH, NOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE REPLACING A COUNCIL MEMBER, I, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE CHARTER SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS ONE PERSON, THE COUNCIL SHOULD MOVE AND DO THAT WITHIN 120 DAYS, REPLACE THAT PERSON. UH, AND IF IT IS TRUE, THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, WE HAVE TO CALL THE ELECTION AND DO IT THROUGH THE ELECTION. UH, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE DEFINITELY WE SHOULD NOT BE SELECTING ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REPLACE ANYONE. IT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE VOTERS WHO DID THAT AT THE, YOU KNOW, BEGIN WITH. SO IT SHOULD BE ALWAYS THEIR, UH, CHOICE, NOT US. AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS PROCESS. I MEAN, THIS CHARTER, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENT IS THAT ILLEGAL? THE ADVICE THAT I RECEIVE, WE RECEIVE SOUNDS VERY LEGAL THINGS TO DO LEGALLY. THERE IS NO, AS OF NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL WAY TO DO. NOW, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER DECIDED TO RUN, THE RULE WAS DIFFERENT. AND OF COURSE HE WAS DIGGING MORE BECAUSE HE WAS THINKING TO RUN. AND THERE IS NO WAY TO UNDER, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE IS THINKING. I WISH I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEN WE COULD HAVE, TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER POSSIBILITIES MIGHT HAPPEN. AND I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. SO, AND THAT'S HOW YOU LOOKED AT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND WHAT ELSE MIGHT HAPPEN IF SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED. AND THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL, WHEN JENNIFER JUSTICE JUST MENTIONED THAT ALL THOSE POSSIBILITY, UH, THERE IS ONE POSSIBILITY SHE DID NOT SAY THAT IF RETROACTIVE GOES TO THE BALLOT AND IT FAILS, THEN NOTHING IS THERE. SO THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT A COUPLE MORE YEARS TO PUT THAT BACK TO THE BALLOT, JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PROSPECTIVE. SO, AND THE WAY THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, AT LEAST FOR RICHARDSON CULTURE, THAT, YOU KNOW, STAYING IN THE COUNCIL AND RUN FOR AN OFFICE, THERE'S LIKE PARTISAN ELECTION. AND IT'S VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE, UH, UH, WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE NEWS CHANNEL, YOU KNOW, MET WITH ME ONE TIME I MET WITH HIM, OR HE MET WITH ME, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT HE TOLD ME THAT RICHARD CHARLESON IS SO BORING, WE DON'T WANNA WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT RICHARDSON . UH, AND I SAID, I'M GLAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE ON THE NEWS. AND THEY GO, DALLAS, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I MEAN, THESE GUYS ARE, THEY'RE MORE ENERGETIC AND THEY WANT TO GET TO THE, YOU KNOW, HEADLINES. WE ARE NOT, UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IT'S NOT A LEGAL QUESTION. UH, IT'S A DEFINITION. YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK ANY QUESTION YOU LIKE, OKAY, RETROACTIVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RETROACTIVE AND ENGLISH HAS SO MUCH MEANING, I REALIZE. SO IF YOU CAN DEFINE THAT RETROACTIVE THE DEFINITION, THE POSSIBILITY, ALSO DIFFERENT DEFINITION. I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE DEFINITION. IS THERE ANY OTHER DEFINITION THAT COULD BE USED RETROACTIVE? WELL, WE'VE USED THE, THE TERM PROSPECTIVE AND RETROACTIVE TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO TYPES OF PROPOSITIONS. RETROACTIVE MEANS THAT IT APPLIES TO AN EVENT THAT OCCURRED PREVIOUSLY, WHEREAS PERSPECTIVE APPLIES TO AN EVENT THAT OCCURS AFTER THE PASSAGE OF THAT, UH, CHARTER AMENDMENT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. NOT REALLY. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK YOU, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, NOW SINCE SOMETHING WAS NOT THERE AND SOMEBODY MADE DECISION BASED ON THAT, NOW THE MEMBERS PLAYERS SAY, OKAY, NO, WHAT, SINCE YOU DO THAT, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS THING IN YOUR MIND, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF THIS. IF WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SO MUCH PROBLEM DOWN THE JOURNEY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL TOGETHER IN THE JOURNEY. NOW YOU HAVE DECIDED TO GO TO HAVE A COFFEE. AND WE ARE THINKING ABOUT WE HAVE TO REACH SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW HOURS. NOW BECAUSE OF THAT, WE, WE ARE, WE ARE IN A TROUBLE. SO WE NEED TO DECIDE SOMETHING. SO, UH, AND, AND OF COURSE [02:20:01] THE PERSON DIDN'T KNOW THAT SOMETHING ELSE GONNA CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE. SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE INTERESTING COMMENT CAME THAT EFFECTIVE DATE, UH, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, GIVING, IS IT LIKE IT GOES ON THE BALLOT, RETROACTIVE NOT RETRO, IT GOES ON THE BALLOT WITH EFFECTIVE DEBT DATE? UH, UH, BECAUSE THE DECISION WOULD BE LIKE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY ONCE THE CANVAS IS DONE. UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ELECTION DATE, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT. BUT OF COURSE, I'M NOT GONNA BE ON THE BALLOT THIS ELECTION. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT DATE. SO THROWING A NUMBER, SAY MAY 8TH, AND WE HAVE CANVAS, I DON'T KNOW, NEXT WEEK WE HAVE THE CANVAS FOR THAT. AND IT GETS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY THAT TIME, WHOEVER IS ON THE RUNNING IN THE COMING UP ELECTION, THEN THEY HAVE TO RESIGN OR THAT AUTOMATICALLY RESIGNED AFTER THAT TIME. BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE A CANDIDATE, POSSIBLE CANDIDATE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO RUN OR NOT TO RUN, CHOOSE, SAY, OKAY, I DON'T WANNA BE IN THE BALLOT BECAUSE I HAVE TO RESIGN. SO, OR I'LL BE RESIGNING BECAUSE PEOPLE SPOKE THAT I HAVE TO RESIGN. SO, SO THE PERSON CAN CHOOSE THAT TIME. I WANT TO CONTINUE MY JOURNEY FOR THE NEW, NEW PATH, OR I'M NOT GOING TO CONTINUE. AND NOT NECESSARILY THE CANDIDATE WILL BE STEPPING DOWN FROM THE FUTURE ELECTION, BUT HE MIGHT NOT BE ON THE BALLOT EITHER. SO WE DON'T KNOW. LOTS OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN BETWEEN THAT. CAN THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DISCUSSED THAT EFFECTIVE THAT DAY, MAY 8TH OR MAY 9TH, SOMETHING, IF THE VOTE ARE APPROVED? THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YOU COULD PROPOSE A AMENDMENT TO THE VOTERS EFFECTIVE ON SOME DATES, CERTAIN THAT THOSE ARE THE RULES. YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY. IF YOU DO A PERSPECTIVE AMENDMENT, IT HAS THE SAME EFFECT THAT BEING AFTER IT'S PASSED, THOSE ARE THE RULES GOING FORWARD. SO WHETHER YOU HAVE A SAY, BEGINNING ON A CERTAIN DATE, THESE ARE THE RULES. BUT IF YOU HAVE A PERSPECTIVE, ONE WITHOUT SAYING BEGINNING ON THIS DATE, IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE AFTER APPROVAL, UH, BY THE VOTERS AND THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. FOLLOWING THAT ELECTION. NOW, HERE IS, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT PROSPECTIVE I THOUGHT WOULD BE AFTER THE TERM EXPIRE OF THIS COUNCIL TWO YEARS, 20, 27. NO. SO THAT'S NOT THE CASE. PROSPECTIVE IS THE DAY THAT QUARTER APPROVED. ANYONE DECLARE ANY, ANYONE WHO DECLARES THAT THEY'RE GONNA RUN AFTER THE ELECTION HAS BEEN CANVASED WILL THEN IF SOMEBODY, SO IF SOMEONE WAS ALREADY RUNNING AND WE DID PROSPECTIVE, THEY WOULD STILL BE OKAY TO STAY IN THE SEAT IF SOMEBODY BEFORE THE CANVAS WAS DONE. BECAUSE ONCE THE CANVAS DONE, THAT'S OFFICIAL RELEVANT. THAT'S RIGHT. ANYTIME BEFORE THEY COULD ANNOUNCE, AND THEY WOULD NOT BE, THEY COULD SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO RUN WHAT I WAS RUNNING FOR, OR I'M NOT GONNA BE ON THE BALLOT FOR FUTURE. SO DOES THAT APPLY TO HIM THEN? I MEAN, IF FOR SOME REASON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THEN UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, YOUR NAME, NAME IS THERE, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. BUT WE CANNOT SAY IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU EITHER, BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY THE NAME COUNCILMAN CHANDEL. LET ME, LET ME, LET ME PLAY BACK YOUR QUESTION SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT PETE ANSWERS. SO YOUR QUESTION IS, IF, IF SOMEONE HAS ANNOUNCED ALREADY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE, IF BEFORE THE ELECTION WAS CANVASED, THEY NO LONGER WERE A CANDIDATE, WOULD WOULD IT STILL APPLY TO THEM? AND PETE, I THINK YOU'VE SAID NO. THAT, THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. NO. SO FOR, IN THE CASE OF COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S A CANDIDATE FOR PRIMARY ELECTION FOR CONGRESS, IF HE LOSES, HE'S NO LONGER A CANDIDATE FOR THAT OFFICE, SO IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO HIM. SO COUNCILMAN, SO WAS THAT THE QUESTION? UH, IF YOU GO MORE SPECIFICALLY THAT I, MY QUESTION WAS A LITTLE MORE BORDER, BUT EVEN IF IT IS THE, IF HE WINS THE PRIMARY, AND HE SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO RUN, I'M JUST NOT SAYING THAT HE'S GONNA DO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS MIND, UH, IF, IF, IF HE WINS THE PRIMARY AND DECIDES NOT, AND, AND DECIDES NOT TO RUN, IF HE DECIDES NOT TO RUN AND, AND HE WITHDRAWS FROM THE ELECTION BEFORE THE, UH, THE CHARTER ELECTION IS CANVASSED, THEN HE, IT WOULD NOT NO LONGER APPLY TO HIM. SO THE MAIN THING IS THAT AS LONG AS THE CANDIDATE THERE IS, HE'S NOT CANDIDATE, OR SHE'S NOT CANDIDATE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE APPLIED FOR THAT VERSION. SO NOW, NOW THE THING IS, IT'S NOT ABOUT DAN. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SITUATION. SO, SO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT IT'S ABOUT DAN, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THAT. THERE IS A PROCESS OF GETTING OUT OF THAT SITUATION. UH, [02:25:03] YEAH, EITHER WAY, I MEAN THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL GO TO THE VOTERS IF WE COUNCIL DECIDE AND THE VOTER WILL MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION. THEY CAN VOTE EITHER WAY, PROSPECT, IF IT IS A PROSPECTIVE EVENT, UH, THEY CAN VOTE NO. IF IT IS, UH, RETROACTIVE, THEY CAN VOTE NO OR YES, VICE VERSA. BUT, UH, THE THING IS, UH, UH, YEAH, I GOT MY ANSWER. I THINK THIS IS, UH, PEOPLE, I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS, UH, OPTION. I MEAN, PROSPECTIVE IS NOT LIKE SOMETHING LIKE FUTURE. THERE IS NO REASON TO PUNISH SOMEONE WHO MADE THAT DECLARE TODAY AND THINK ABOUT FROM THE DATE, AS LONG AS, UH, SOMEONE RESIGN OR DON'T RUN IN THAT POSITION, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WOULD BE BETTER CHOICE. SO, SO COUNCIL MEMBER, JUST IN CASE, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE. AT THE END, IF WE CHOOSE PERSPECTIVE AS A COUNCIL AND IT ACTUALLY PASSES WHETHER SOMEONE IS A CANDIDATE OR NOT, IT WON'T MATTER AT THAT POINT. UH, IT ONLY MATTERS FROM THAT CANVASSING DATE FORWARD IF THEY ANNOUNCE. YEAH, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PROSPECTIVE MEANS THAT, THAT IT AFFECTS IMMEDIATELY AS THAT DATE, THE VOTERS IMMEDIATELY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ANYONE WHO ANNOUNCES AFTER THE CANVASSING WOULD THEN BE A PART OF THAT RULE. BUT IF YOU WERE ALREADY RUNNING, IF YOU'RE ALREADY RUNNING, IF YOU'RE ALREADY RUNNING AND IT'S PERSPECTIVE AND IT PASSES, YOU STILL GET TO CONTINUE TO RUN. YOU'RE NOT IN VIOLATION, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IS THAT RIGHT? NO, THAT IS RIGHT. YEAH, IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT. NO, NO. WAIT A MINUTE. LET ME UNDERSTAND. AGAIN, IT HAS TO DO, LET ME MAKE LET ME SAY ONE LAST THING AND THEN, AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHEN YOU ANNOUNCE, IF WE SAY RETROACTIVE, THEN ANYONE WHO HAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED IT WOULD AFFECT THEM. IF WE SAY PERSPECTIVE AND ALL SEVEN OF US ANNOUNCE THAT WE'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE FOR SOME OTHER OFFICE, WE COULD ALL RUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE END IF WE SO CHOSE. MA, JUST TO, I JUST ADD ONE, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE RETROACTIVE, IF YOU'VE ANNOUNCED, AND YOU ARE STILL A CANDIDATE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE ANNOUNCED PRIOR TO THE ELECTION BEING CANVASED AND YOU STILL, YOU ARE STILL A CANDIDATE FOR ANOTHER, UM, ELECTED OFFICE, THEN IT WOULD APPLY TO YOU. OH, OKAY. SO IS IT, THIS IS CONFUSING. IT IT IS, YES. SO I THINK IT IS VERY CONFUSING. SO IF WE CAN MAKE THAT SENTENCE CLEAR ENOUGH FOR, I CONSIDER MYSELF BELOW LITTLE, BELOW AVERAGE, LOTS OF EFFORTS, PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND. SO IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE FEW OTHER FRIEND LIKE ME, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND. SO IF YOU CAN GET THE WORDING CORRECT, UH, THAT AT LEAST I KNOW THAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S WHY I ASK YOU THAT QUESTION THAT, UH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. SO, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY HELP WITH THAT. BUT, UM, JUST ONE LAST TIME, IF THE CHOICE IS PERSPECTIVE, THEN ANYONE WHO ANNOUNCES AFTER THE CANVASSING, IT WILL IMPACT THEM. BUT AFTER THE CANVASSING, IF THEY ANNOUNCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA RUN, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO ALSO PUT IN THEIR RESIGNATION AND GO THROUGH THE RESIGNATION PROCESS. IF IT'S PERSPECTIVE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DID BEFORE THE CANVASSING, IF YOU HAD ALREADY ANNOUNCED, IF, AGAIN, IF ALL SEVEN OF US ANNOUNCE AND WE GO PERSPECTIVE, ALL SEVEN OF US COULD CONTINUE TO RUN AS LONG AS WE'RE STILL A CANDIDATE. OH, OKAY. SO THAT'S RIGHT. NO, THAT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S PERSPECTIVE RETROACTIVE. THAT'S WHAT I DID NOT UNDERSTAND. RETROACTIVE MEANS, IF YOU'RE RUNNING AT THE TIME, IF, IF YOU'RE RUNNING AT THE TIME OF THE CANVASSING, WHENEVER IT WAS THAT YOU ANNOUNCED IN THE PAST A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, OR JUST SIX MONTHS AGO MM-HMM . IT AFFECTS YOU AND EVERYONE WHO IS GOING IN THE FUTURE. OKAY? SO IN, IN OTHER WORDS THAT IF RETROACTIVE, THEN WHOEVER DID, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCED, BUT BUT DID NOT WITHDRAW THE NAME. OR SOMEHOW IF THEY WITHDRAW, IF THEY'RE, THEN THEY'RE NOT RUNNING, IF THEY DROP OUT OR WE DRAW THE NAME, IT IS, THEY CAN, THEY'RE NOT RUNNING CONTINUE. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IMPACTED BY THE, THEY'RE NO LONGER RUNNING, THEY'RE NOT A CANDIDATE. OKAY. YOU SEE, I DID NOT GET IT BEFORE. MM-HMM. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND. I THINK, UH, NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. OF COURSE, OF COURSE. UH, DO ARE, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR LINE OF, OH, I THINK I'M LISTING FOR NOW. NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. YEAH, I, IT TRIGGERED A, AN INTERESTING THOUGHT IN MY HEAD. I, I THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE YOU WERE GOING, AND MAYBE YOU WERE, AND, AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING INITIALLY, COULD WE PUT A DATE IN THE FUTURE ON IT? UH, I THINK YOU WERE ASKING THAT QUESTION, AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE ANSWER. SO IF WE WANTED TO SAY, MAKE IT EFFECTIVE, THE DATE OF THE, THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME PREDICTABILITY OR SOME SORT OF FINISH LINE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO THAT? WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SAY IT IS, YOU KNOW IT YES. SOMETHING, THE ANSWER IS YES, IF YOU WANT DO IT THAT WAY. SO IT WOULD STILL [02:30:02] BE RETROACTIVE, BUT IT'D BE A DATE. WELL, NO, WOULDN'T, NO, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THE LAST TIME WE GOT TOGETHER, THE DIRECTION WAS TO PREPARE ONE THAT WAS RETROACTIVE. YES, I GET IT. OKAY. NOW, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A RESIGN TO RUN PROVISION EFFECTIVE ON A DATE, CERTAIN MM-HMM. THAT, THAT'S NOT RETROACTIVE, THAT MEANS BEGINNING ON WHAT'S THE NOVEMBER ELECTION DATE, WHATEVER. YEP. 12TH, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE SAYING, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER 12TH, ANY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL WHO ANNOUNCES OR BECOMES A CANDIDATE FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC OFFICE, OTHER THAN THE PLACE WHICH YOU HOLD ON THE CITY COUNCIL AUTOMATICALLY RESIGNS. SO THAT'S NOT RETROACTIVE. THAT MEANS BEGINNING ON THAT DATE, YOU DO THIS CONDUCT AFTER THAT DATE, THIS, THESE EVENTS OCCUR. THAT'S PROSPECTIVE IN THAT REGARD. YEAH. SO I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND, IF, IF THERE'S A BIT OF A MIDDLE GROUND HERE, RIGHT. WHICH WOULD BE ANYBODY NOW OR IN THE FUTURE BETWEEN NOW AND, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER, I GUESS ANNOUNCES THAT THEY WOULD BE RUNNING FOR AN OFFICE. COULD WE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT IN MAY AND SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANNOUNCED OR WILL ANNOUNCE ON NOVEMBER 7TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY? YES. I I I I'VE JUST SAID THAT YOU COULD MAKE IT EFFECTIVE ON A CERTAIN DATE. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SHALL FOR EXAMPLE, SHALL A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL ANNOUNCE OR BECOME A CANDIDATE ON OR AFTER NOVEMBER 7TH FOR ANOTHER OFFICE, ANOTHER PUBLIC OFFICE, OTHER THAN THE OFFICE THEN HELD ON THE CITY COUNCIL OR ANOTHER PLACE ON THE COUNCIL SHALL AUTOMATICALLY RESIGN. PETE, I THINK THAT THE, THE QUESTION IS DIFFERENT. I THINK THE QUESTION IS THIS, CAN, CAN YOU WRITE A PROPOSITION THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE ANNOUNCED OR DO ANNOUNCE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT ELECTION, WHEN THAT ELECTION IS CANVASED, THAT'S WHEN YOU RESIGN. MM-HMM. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I THINK. I, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WE'D HAVE A BALLOT IN MAY, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL NOVEMBER 3RD ON THE ELECTION, THE RESIGN. RIGHT. THE RESIGNATION WOULDN'T BE RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, I, FOR ME, IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, AND I WOULD WANNA TALK, YOU KNOW, HAVE COUNCILMAN BARRIOS WEIGH IN. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT FOR ME, STRIKES A BALANCE. IT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY AND THE CONCERNS I HAVE, UM, THAT I'VE ENUMERATED TONIGHT ABOUT SORT OF WHAT US BEING IN LIMBO, BECAUSE IF IT WERE TO PASS IN MAY WITH THAT SORT OF LANGUAGE, WE WOULD KNOW FOR CERTAIN WE NEED TO PUT A PROCESS IN PLACE AND START STANDING SOMETHING UP, YOU KNOW, FOR COME NOVEMBER. UM, SO FOR ME, THAT STRIKES A BALANCE. BUT COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. CAN I TAG ONTO THAT? UH, MAYOR, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. SO THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES, PETE, PETE, CAN I ASK ONE QUICK TAG ONTO THAT? SURE. IF, WOULD THIS BE ON THIS, WOULD, IF WE SET SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WOULD THAT BE ONGOING FOR FUTURE EV JUST OH, YEAH. I MEAN, AT THE SAME DATE EVERY, NO, EVERY, NO, THAT'S, IT WOULD JUST BE FOR THIS SINGLE ELECTION. IT, IT WOULD BE A PERMANENT PROVISION. YOU'RE JUST MAKING IT RETROACTIVE BEGINNING ON A CERTAIN DATE, BUT GOING FORWARD, RIGHT, IT WOULD APPLY, BUT AFTER THAT, COUNCILMAN DORIAN, AFTER THAT DATE, IT WOULD BE AS SOON AS YOU ANNOUNCE YOU HAVE TO RESIGN. OKAY. GOT IT. THERE WOULD BE NO, THERE WOULD BE NO CASE PERIOD IF YOU I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, BARRIOS MAYOR. UM, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY AS OF THE WAY THIS SITS RIGHT NOW, THAT ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT SAID AND IS NOT TARGETED, IT IS, I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO'S CURRENTLY WOULD AFFECT, UM, I THINK WHAT COUNCIL MEN'S WOMEN'S JUSTICE, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF A MEAT IN THE MIDDLE AND IN THE SPIRIT. UM, WHAT I THINK ACCOMPLISHES WHAT SOME OF THE ONE, I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT DOES BUY SOME TIME TO SET A TRANSPARENT WAY OF CONDUCTING IT. IT IS, ALTHOUGH IT'S RETROACTIVE TO A REGARD, IT IS AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING FORWARD, WHICH I THINK IS IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT. UM, SO AGAIN, NOT IDEAL, BUT I THINK IT'S A HAPPY MEET IN THE MIDDLE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO, UH, DISCUSS AND SUPPORT, I THINK. UM, SO, SO LET ME, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YEAH, WE WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING, RIGHT? SO, UM, IF ANYONE ANNOUNCED AS IF ANYONE ANNOUNCE IF ANYONE HAS ANNOUNCED OR WILL ANNOUNCE, UM, THAT THEY'RE RUNNING FOR ANOTHER ELECTED OFFIC, ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICE, UM, AND THIS PASSES THAN WHEN WE AS ASSUME WHEN WE CANVAS THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, THAT THOSE, THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A, A GENUINE PROSPECTIVE. BECAUSE IF, IF SOMEONE LOST AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, THEY [02:35:01] WOULD CONTINUE. THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE, IF THEY HADN'T RESIGNED YET, THEY WOULD'VE THE OPTION TO CONTINUE TO SERVE TO THEIR END OF THEIR TERM. SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAKING IT A HARD, YOU, YOU WILL, YOU WILL, IF YOU ANNOUNCE YOU WILL RESIGN WHEN WE CANVAS THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DEFINITIVE THING, VERSUS IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, UM, IF YOU'RE PROSPECTIVE. SO, SO JUST JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ENDING THAN SOMEBODY YEAH. NOT, NOT RESIGNING, RUNNING THROUGH AND THEN BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THEIR TERM. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A DEFINITIVE RESIGNATION IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHEN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION IS CANVASED, GAME THAT OUT. IF IT'S ONE CANDIDATE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TIME, WE'D BE STANDING UP THE PROCESS AND WE WOULD THEN COME RESIGNATION TIME, START OUR PROCESS, WHATEVER WE'D COME UP WITH. AT THAT POINT, IF IT'S TWO PEOPLE, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO CALL AN ELECTION, WHICH WOULD BE IN MAY. RIGHT. SO, AND THEY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD OVER. YEAH. BUT, OR NO, THEY WOULD BE NOT IF THEY WERE, WELL, NOT IF THEY WON ANOTHER ELECTION. WELL, IF THEY WON, RIGHT. THAT, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT I MEAN, THE SCENARIO YOU JUST DESCRIBED, IF ONE OR BOTH LOST, RIGHT, WE WOULD THEN HAVE A PROCESS OF APPOINT EITHER APPOINTING SOMEONE FOR THE ONE, OR IF THERE WERE TWO CANDIDATES THAT LOST MM-HMM . THEN WE WOULD, THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ELECTION IN MAY, AND THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO HOLD OVER UNTIL MAY. SO IN YOUR SCENARIO, JUST SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, THE, IF, IF, IF THE PERSON THAT DECIDES TO RUN LOSES IN NOVEMBER, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO RESIGN EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE. IT WOULD BE A RE YES, IT WOULD BE A RESIGNATION. BUT THE POINT I'M MAKING IS EFFECTIVELY, IF IT'S TWO PEOPLE THAT RIGHT. THAT HAD LOST THE NEXT ELECTION DATE, WE, WE CALL WOULD BE IN MAY, AND THEY COULD HOLD OVER UNTIL THEN. SURE, SURE. I GET THAT. SO THEY WOULD EFFECTIVELY SERVE OUT THEIR TERM, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN. YEAH, THEY WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T WIN IN NOVEMBER, IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IN THIS SCENARIO, RIGHT. FOR, YOU KNOW, IN RETRO RETROACTIVE, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE AS WELL. SURE. I GET, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME PERSPECTIVE, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO ANNOUNCE IN JUNE, THAT WOULD BE THE OUTCOME. SO AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S OKAY. A MEET IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH. SO COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, I HEARD YOU SAY YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS A MEET IN THE MIDDLE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. WHAT'S BEING SUGGESTED IS WIN OR LOSE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN IN NOVEMBER MM-HMM . IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU LOSE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN IN NOVEMBER. EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, YOU WOULD SERVE RIGHT UNTIL THE REPLACEMENT WAS FOUND. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT EXPLANATION WAS. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, YES, MAYOR, AND THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY I'M, I'M KIND OF PROCESSING IN REAL TIME RIGHT NOW, SO. SURE. I APPRECIATE WE'VE GOT OTHER LIGHTS ON. I CAN, I CAN BUY YOU SOME TIME IF YOU WANT. YEAH, I, I, UM, LET ME PROCESS, I, I THINK AGAIN, IN, IN, UH, IF I SUPPORT THIS, WHICH I'M LEANING TOWARDS, IT WOULD BE IN THE SPIRIT OF FINDING THAT SO THAT WE AS A COUNCIL CAN COME TOGETHER AND THIS NOT BE SOMETHING THAT CREATES FOR THE DIVISION, OUR COMMUNITY, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE TOGETHER. I WOULD, I THINK TO SUPPORT THAT. THE, THE, THE BIG PIECE THAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE MENTIONED THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE IS THAT KIND OF LOOK FORWARD SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO CREATE A PROCESS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ARE, AND DON THINKS IT'S POSSIBLE, AND THAT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ARE COMMITTED TO CREATING A PROCESS THAT IS TRANSPARENT, THAT IS, UM, SO THAT WHEN THAT APPOINTMENT, WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S APPOINTED, UM, TO REPLACE ME IN NOVEMBER, OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S TWO OF US ENDS UP GOING TO AN ELECTION AND WE HOLD OVER, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROCESS IS THOUGHT OUT AND TRANSPARENT. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER'S THOUGHTS ON THIS BEFORE. SURE. I MAKE A FINAL COMMENT. AND, AND WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, UH, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'RE PROCESSING AS WELL, UH, MR. SMITH, BUT IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND IF ANYONE HAS EVER TRIED TO DO SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE THIS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, RETROACTIVE, BUT FORWARD GUARANTEED RESIGNATION THAT JUST, I, I'VE NOT HEARD OF THIS BEFORE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME SENSE. HAVEN'T HAVEN'T DONE ONE EXACTLY LIKE THIS, BUT WE WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. I WANNA REMIND YOU, THIS IS THE LAST NIGHT FOR US TO CALL THE ELECTION. I UNDERSTAND. SO WE'LL HAVE TO WORDSMITH IT TWO NOW. SO IF WE, IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ABOUT IT, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE SOME TIME OUT SO WE CAN WORK ON THE DRAFT. WELL, LET'S, LET'S HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE WHILE YOU START WORKING ON WHATEVER DRAFT YOU'D LIKE TO START ON. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN. OH, SORRY. I DIDN'T REALIZE MY LIGHT WAS ON, BUT, BUT, UH, BUT, BUT I'LL MAKE A COMMENT WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR. UM, I POTENTIALLY, UM, COULD AGREE TO THAT, TO, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOME, SOME BALANCE. UM, AS YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, THE NOVEMBER ELECTION [02:40:01] COMES ALONG, EITHER EITHER WIN OR LOSE, YOU STILL STEP DOWN, BUT IT GIVES US TIME TO BUILD IN SOME, UM, AT LEAST UP SOME DIRECTION ON HOW WE CAN HANDLE THIS IN THE FUTURE, POTENTIALLY. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER ARFIN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE POSSIBILITY. WHAT MIGHT, WHAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN. SO DURING THIS, DURING THIS FEBRUARY AND NOVEMBER BEFORE THE ELECTION, THE CANDIDATE, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DAN, UH, THAT HE MIGHT FIND DIFFICULTY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE BECAUSE OF THE CAMPAIGN AND OTHER THINGS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW. UH, AND BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, THAT WE TOOK OATH. I DIDN'T REMEMBER. I SAY THAT WE TOOK OATH TO DO A FEW THINGS, AND IF WE FIND THAT OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT DOING OUR BEST TO PROTECT OUR CITY'S BEST INTEREST, AND THEN I KNOW DAN, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DAN, THEN HE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S THE BEST TIME FOR ME TO STEP DOWN BECAUSE I CAN'T, I KNOW THAT HE WILL DO THAT. UH, AS MUCH AS I KNOW NOW WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEONE, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE SOMEONE. SO NOW JUST KNOW THAT WE MIGHT SEE THAT KIND OF SITUATION, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO PICK SOMEONE, THEN WE HAVE TO PICK SOMEONE TWO MONTHS LATER. SO, SO EXPECTATION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE EXPECTATION CLEAR. YEAH. YEAH. MAYOR CAN, YEAH. CAN I JUST, SO YEAH, UM, JUST BUILD, JUST BUILDING, THERE'S SOME COALESCING OCCURRING AROUND THIS IDEA, BUT I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANNA MAYBE, UH, GET THE PERSPECTIVE ON, UM, IF WE WERE GO, IF YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT, UM, REQUIRING ANYONE WHO HAD RUN ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WERE RUNNING FOR AN OFFICE, UM, TO RESIGN IN NOVEMBER, UM, BUT KNOWINGLY IN CERTAIN CASES, UM, THAT PERSON, IF IT'S A SINGLE VACANCY, COULD SERVE ANOTHER UP TO 120 DAYS. IF IT'S TWO VACANCIES COULD PRESUMABLY SERVE TO THE END OF THE TERM, YOU COULD, I THINK A, PERHAPS A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY OF DOING IT WOULD BE TO JUST MAKE IT, UM, EFFECTIVE WITH THE 20, UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT, 27? 20, UH, YEAH, 27. 29 COUNSEL. OKAY. WELL, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND. WELL, IT'S NOT PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GAINING THE SAME, YOU'RE GAINING THE SAME BENEFIT THAT YOU'RE SEEKING, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING SOMEBODY WHO MAY LOSE, UM, THEIR ELECTION TO RESIGN. UM, ONLY IF, IF IT'S A SINGLE TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TO APPOINT SOMEONE. IF THAT PERSON, FOR INSTANCE, DOESN'T WANNA RUN THROUGH THE END OF THEIR TERM. I MEAN, YOU'RE GETTING NOW TO A, A, A DECEMBER, JANUARY POTENTIAL APPOINTMENT, JANUARY APPOINTMENT, OR YOU'RE COUNTING ON THE TWO FOLKS TO RUN THROUGH OR TO HOLD OVER TO THE END OF THEIR TERM. WHY, WHY WOULDN'T IT BE A, AN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AN ACCEPTABLE STRATEGY JUST TO SAY YOU COULD, IF IF THEY RESI, IF THEY WIN, THEY'RE GONNA RESIGN AND THEY'RE GONNA BE OFF TO COUNCIL, AND YOU'LL BE FORCED WITH THAT CHOICE. IF THEY DON'T WIN ONE OR TWO, THEY DON'T, THEY, IF YOU MAKE IT EFFECTIVE WITH THE 27 29 COUNCIL, THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE. THERE'S NO HOLDOVER. THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE. THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, AMBIGUITY ABOUT HOW LONG THEY'LL BE THERE. THEY, THEIR EXPECT, THE EXPECTATION IS THEY'RE GONNA SERVE THROUGHOUT UNLESS THEY'VE RESIGNED AND DECIDE NOT TO, TO SERVE ANYMORE. BUT I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT YOU, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY NOT HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN STEPS, UM, BY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO SERVE THROUGH THE END OF, END OF THEIR TERM AND NOT HOLDING OVER. I MEAN, IF SOMEONE WINS, YOU'RE GONNA BE CONFRONTED WITH THE SAME SITUATION. BUT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T, IF ONE OR TWO OF THE CANDIDATES, OR ONE CANDIDATE NOW OF TWO CANDIDATES, PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY BOTH LOST, FOR INSTANCE, AND THEY'RE BOTH REQUIRED TO RESIGN, THEN YOU'RE HAVING THEM HOLD OVER UNTIL THE MAY ELECTION. SO HERE'S, HERE'S MY THOUGHT ON IT THOUGH. IF THIS WERE TO, IF, IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WERE TO PASS IN MAY, THERE WILL BE TWO CANDIDATES, PRESUMABLY, LET'S ARGUABLY, AND WE PUT IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, THERE'S AN ELECTION, AND NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE SWORN IN IN NOVEMBER. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ONE CANDIDATE, THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, STANDING UP AN APPOINTMENT. BUT REALLY THE REALITY IS WE WOULD BE PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT IN MAY BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A A, AN EFFECTIVE RESIGNATION. IS THAT NOT ACCURATE OR WOULD IT BUMP OUT? HE'S WORKING ON THE LANGUAGE THAT, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE, THERE WOULD BE FINALITY, THERE WOULD LIKE COME NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT'S ONE CANDIDATE, THEN WE WOULD STAND UP A PROCESS IN THE MEANTIME, WHICH I THINK WAS PART OF COUNCILMAN BARRIOS CONCERN, WAS THE TRANSPARENCY AROUND THE PROCESS. UM, [02:45:01] I'M, I'M JUST, I HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN AND I THINK I'VE HEARD ENOUGH TO AT LEAST INITIALLY WEIGH IN AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. UH, I THINK THE CONVERSATION'S GOOD, BY THE WAY. SO I APPRECIATE KIND OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND THE CREATIVITY. UM, LET ME, LET ME START WITH SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, I THINK POINTS MADE AND, AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CLARIFICATIONS AND A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA START WITH IS, UM, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, TIME WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED AND AS A BIG ISSUE. I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK TIME IS AN ISSUE. UM, AND I DON'T MEAN FOR DAN, I MEAN FOR ANYONE. UH, WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DIDN'T RUN FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT ALSO DIDN'T SHOW UP TO ANYTHING ELSE, AND THAT WAS JUST THEIR PREROGATIVE. AND NOBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT 'EM, NOBODY DECIDED TO TRY AND GET RID OF 'EM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT JUST, IT JUST WAS WHAT IT WAS. UH, THEY SHOWED UP TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP TO ANYTHING ELSE, AND THEY WERE STILL FINE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I, I SUPPOSE THEY ASKED GOOD QUESTIONS AND TRY TO DO WHAT THEY COULD IN THE COUNCIL MEETING. SO I KIND OF CHECK OFF THAT TIME BEING AN ISSUE IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME. UM, THIS TARGETING DISCUSSION, I, I'M ON THE SIDE OF THOSE WHO SAY THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS ISN'T ABOUT TARGETING SOMEONE. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE PERSON HAS DONE SOMETHING THAT NOBODY HAS DONE, AND AS FAR AS I CAN RESEARCH 40 YEARS AT LEAST, WHICH IS A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER RUNNING FOR SOMETHING. AND SO IT'S LESS THAN ANYONE'S BEING TARGETED AND MORE THAT SOMEONE DID SOMETHING THAT MADE US ALL REALIZE THAT THIS COULD ACTUALLY BE A THING. UH, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED IN ANY PREVIOUS CHARTER DISCUSSION. IT WAS BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN A THOUGHT. UM, BUT IT'S HAPPENED. AND SO THE ONE PERSON HAS HELPED US SEE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAPPEN. AND SO THEREFORE IT'S BECOME A DISCUSSION, NOT BECAUSE OF THE PERSON, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WAS A REALITY. SOMEONE RAN A LESS THAN A FOUR MINUTE MILE, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT OF AS UNHEARD OF. UM, I'M ALSO GONNA SAY THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PARTISANSHIP, AND I SECOND EVERY BIT OF THE CONVERSATION REGARDING PARTISANSHIP, THE FRUSTRATION. AND I THINK THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE WEARING A HAT WHERE A PART OF WEARING THAT HAT IS TO SPEAK A CERTAIN WAY EVERY SINGLE HOUR OF THE DAY WHEN YOU'RE CAMPAIGNING, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU TAKE THAT HAT OFF AND YOU PUT ON THE OTHER HAT, WEAR THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SPEAK AS A CANDIDATE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEVER SPEAK AS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR A REPRESENTATIVE OF A CITY. THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFICULTY COMES IN. THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO, SUCH A CRITICAL THING. AND I RECOGNIZE THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT THEY DON'T MIND PARTISANSHIP, UH, YOU KNOW, RUNNING FOR PARTISAN OFFICER OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT THIS IS WHY IT'S SUCH A PROBLEM. UM, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, AND, AND I MEAN THAT, UM, WITH ALL THE RIGHT INTENTIONS OF THE WORLD, YOU CAN BE IN A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING RELATED TO VERY IMPORTANT TOPICS. AND OFFHAND, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR FIVE HOURS EARLIER THAT DAY, YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING THAT'S VERY CLEARLY PARTISAN AND DETRIMENTAL TO THE THING THAT THE CITY NEEDS AS A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. AND WHEN THAT SORT OF THING HAPPENS, YOU ARE NO LONGER WORKING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. YOU ARE ONLY WORKING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF YOUR CAMPAIGN. AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. NOW, UM, ALL OF THAT SAID, I ALSO THINK THE PERCEPTION IS REALITY. AND IT IS VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY CLEAR, DESPITE REALITY NOT BEING THAT THIS IS A TARGETING OF ONE PERSON OR A BEING UPSET WITH ONE PERSON OR TRYING TO GO GET ONE PERSON, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE CAN ALL SAY IT TILL WE'RE BLUE IN THE FACE, IT LOOKS A PARTICULAR WAY. AND WELL-MEANING INTELLIGENT PEOPLE HAVE ALL LINED UP AND SAID AS MUCH. UM, AND THAT'S TO ME A PROBLEM AS WELL. AND I HATE THAT WE'RE IN THIS POSITION. I HONESTLY WISH, AND I'LL SAY THIS OPENLY, I WISH YOU WOULD RESIGN. I WISH YOU WOULD JUST CHOOSE TO RESIGN AND RUN FOR CONGRESS AND TRY TO BECOME A CONGRESS PERSON AND NOT TRY TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. AND THAT'S JUST, AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT PRESSURE ON YOU, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE THAT WOULD RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE TO BE A GREAT CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE, YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU'RE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE TO SAY, BIDEN WAS AWFUL OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND IF YOU'RE ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT [02:50:01] THE GOVERNOR CAN'T BE TRUSTED OR THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN'T BE TRUSTED. I GET IT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PARTISAN POLITICS IS. YOU GOTTA SAY THOSE THINGS. IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN CREDIBLY, AND I THINK YOU ARE A CREDIBLE CANDIDATE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON THIS DAUS, YOU SHOULD NEVER BE SAYING ANY OF THOSE THINGS EVER. AND WHEN YOU DO, YOU IMPACT THE WORK THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS, THAT 40 HOURS OR 50 HOURS OR 60 HOURS, OR HOWEVER MANY HOURS WE SAY WE WORK, ALL OF THAT GOES TO WASTE WHEN ONE PERSON DECIDES TO BRING THAT HAT ACCIDENTALLY, NOT ON PURPOSE, NOT MALICIOUSLY INTO THIS ROOM. AND THAT'S THE THING THAT ULTIMATELY IS WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HERE. IF PEOPLE WANNA KNOW WHY, THIS IS WHY, BECAUSE YOU COULD ACTUALLY IMPACT REAL IMPORTANT THINGS FOR OUR CITY BY SAYING THE WRONG THING ON THIS DAIS. AND WE CAN SAY THE WRONG THING ACCIDENTALLY ALL DAY LONG, BUT IT'S COMPLICATED, MORE COMPLICATED WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR A PARTISAN POSITION. SO I'M GONNA STOP THERE. UM, I OBVIOUSLY THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING, AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF COMPROMISE. I PERSONALLY THINK AT THE END OF THIS EVENING, PERSONALLY, I THINK WE SHOULD EITHER DECIDE THAT RESIGN TO RUN SHOULD NOT BE A THING AT ALL, OR IT IS PERSPECTIVE AND PERSPECTIVE. MEANING WHOEVER WANTS TO RUN OUGHT TO GO AHEAD AND ANNOUNCE BEFORE WE CANVAS IN MAY, OR RETROACTIVE. MEANING, IF YOU'RE A CANDIDATE WHEN IT PASSES, THAT'S IT FOR YOU. AND THAT'S, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THREE DECISIONS. THIS OTHER ONE, WHICH RESPECTFULLY, YOU'RE SUPER INTELLIGENT. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH SOMETHING CRAZY OR ANYTHING. IT JUST, I CAN'T, WE'RE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY COMING UP WITH HOW TO UNDERSTAND RETROACTIVE VERSUS PERSPECTIVE. I, I THINK THAT OTHER ONE, THERE, THERE ARE GONNA BE EQUAL NUMBER, IF NOT 10 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA SAY, HE DIDN'T EVEN WIN HIS CAMPAIGN. WHY DOES HE HAVE TO RESIGN NOW? AND I, I THINK THAT'S GONNA CREATE A WHOLE OTHER BUZZ. AND WE'VE GOT SO MUCH TO DO AS A COUNCIL AND AS A CITY. I JUST DON'T WANT CONTINUED DISTRACTIONS. AND, UM, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS AT THIS MOMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER ORINE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I GUESS WE CAN GO ALL NIGHT DISCUSSING, OH YEAH, BUT WE HAVE THREE HOURS TO DECIDE, PROBABLY LESS THAN THREE HOURS BEFORE IT GETS TO NEXT DAY. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT VERY WELL. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I SAY. I TALK ABOUT THE OATH THAT WE TOOK TIME AND OTHER THINGS, BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, AND YOU REALLY SAID PRETTY STRAIGHT. AND, UH, SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO GIVE ALL THE BENEFIT OF DAN, YOU KNOW, THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE POLICY, WHY WE'RE CHANGING IN THE MIDDLE. SO IF HE DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T WIN THE PRIMARY, THEN DEFINITELY, UH, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO RESIGN, UH, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, AFTER MAY ELECTION. SO HE CAN CONTINUE AS, UH, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY STILL HAVE ONE PERSON, UH, RUNNING. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE'S GONNA BE LOSING THE HOPE. YOU KNOW, DAN, I THINK HE'S A GOOD CANDIDATE. HE'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE PRIMARY, BUT WHO KNOWS? EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE VOTERS ARE VOTERS I KNOW. AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD PO YOU KNOW, PROCESS HERE FOR VOTING. SO WE CAN CHANGE THAT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, BUT WE DO THINK ABOUT, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR CITY'S BEST INTEREST, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT I WILL MAKE THE DECISION WITHOUT EMOTION AND SOMETHING THAT I THINK, I WISH, I HOPE THAT DAN CAN MAKE THE, YOU KNOW, MAKE ALSO MAKE SERIOUS DECISION, UH, HOW AND WHAT WE CAN GO, WHAT WE CAN DO. AND I WISH STILL, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS LONG PROCESS. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE VERY EARLY BY THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF WITHOUT PUTTING INTO PRESSURE. UH, AND, UH, WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE LAST MOMENT, LAST HOUR DISCUSSION. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I, UH, PUTTING A DATE, LIKE AFTER MAY ELECTION, ACTIVATE THAT TIME. IF SOMEBODY'S CANDIDATE WANT TO CONTINUE, HAVE TO RESIGN, UH, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE NOVEMBER, UH, JUST TO, IT MAY, SO WE CAN HAVE SOME VISIBILITY. HOW WE GONNA PROTECT OUR CITY? LIKE REGARDLESS OF OTHER CAMPAIGNING THING, ALSO HOW WE CAN, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CONTINUITY, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE REPLACEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, ELECTION SO WE KNOW A CLEAR PICTURE BECAUSE SOME OF THE INFORMATION PUBLICLY WE DON'T KNOW, BUT SOME INFORMATION WE KNOW THAT MOST LIKELY THERE WILL BE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. IF WE GO THROUGH THIS ROUTE, UH, IT'LL COST CITY SOME MONEY. BUT [02:55:01] UNFORTUNATELY, HOPEFULLY THIS NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYMORE IN THE FUTURE. NEVER HAPPENED LAST 40 YEARS. SO IF YOU DISTRIBUTED THIS THING, CITY'S HISTORY, 150 YEARS, IT'S ONLY LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR THAT COST CITY , UH, MONEY IS MONEY. I MEAN, TRUST ME. NO, I HAVE GONE THROUGH SO MUCH THAT $1,000, EVEN LIKE MILLION DOLLAR TO ME, COUNCILMAN MEMORIALS, CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? SURE. SO WERE YOU COUNCILMAN HANSEL, ARE YOU SUPPORTING IT BEING ADDED RETROSPECTIVELY? IS THAT, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PROSPECTIVE RETROACTIVE OR PRO? RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT NOT, NOT PUNISHING ANYONE WHO TAKE THEIR CANDIDACY BECAUSE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO PER RULE THERE PERSPECTIVE. SO THAT'S PERSPECTIVE. SO, AND NOW THEY, AFTER THE PRIMARY, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPTION TO THINK WHETHER, BECAUSE KNOWING YOU, IF YOU CAMPAIGN SERIOUSLY, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING CAMPAIGNING AND ALL GLOVES OFF, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT. AND, UH, I KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE'RE GONNA BE IN AWKWARD SITUATION. UH, SO, BUT DEFINITELY I'M NOT HERE OR ANYBODY HERE TO PUNISH ONE SINGLE MEMBER. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO BEST FOR THE CITY. I THINK YOU ARE, YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING. UH, IT JUST UNDERSTANDING COMMUNICATION. THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS. UM, SO COUNCIL MEMBER COR OH, GO AHEAD. . I I'M GONNA COME BACK. MAYOR, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? NO, MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO GET THE, THE TEMPERATURE ON A MOTION FOR PERSPECTIVE, BUT YEP. I'LL WAIT UNTIL COUNCILOR BARRIOS SAYS THIS PIECE. UM, YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I UNDERSTAND. I, I WANTED TO CLARIFY FROM WHAT I READ EARLIER ABOUT KIND OF MY INTENTIONS AND WHAT I THOUGHT, OBVIOUSLY THE, I THOUGHT OF WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF CONSIDERING THE RUN, UM, AND THEN MADE THE ACTUAL DECISION TO RUN, I THOUGHT, OKAY, HOW IS IT GONNA AFFECT MY SERVICE ON THE COUNCIL? WHAT ARE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS? HOW, HOW IS IT GONNA BE HANDLED? ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION DID NOT, BECAUSE EVERY RESIDENT RICHARDSON CAN VOTE IN CONGRESSIONAL 32, WHICH IS THE SEAT I'M RUNNING IN. IF I WERE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUNTY SEAT OR FOR A, UM, A SEAT THAT INCLUDES A PART OF THE DISTRICT, I COULD SEE WHERE THERE MAY, THE ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE ABOUT A CONFLICT. I UNDERSTAND, MAYOR, YOUR, YOUR, UM, THOUGHTS AND ME, UH, THINKING THAT I SHOULD RESIGN. UM, THE THOUGHT, WHAT I, WHAT CAME ACROSS MY MIND, WHAT I WAS, I SERIOUSLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING OF AND WAS THAT AGAIN, I WOULD EITHER ONE, OBVIOUSLY IF I WIN IN NOVEMBER, YOU WILL HAVE MY LETTER OF RESIGNATION THAT VERY NEXT MORNING WHEN YOU COME TO THE OFFICE, SURE THAT THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE TYPED UP THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION, I ASSURE YOU THAT. UM, BUT REALITY IS, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, TIME CONSTRAINTS OF CAMPAIGNS AS THOSE CAMPAIGNS HEAT UP. AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT, UM, AT THE MOMENT, WHETHER THAT HAPPENS NEXT MONTH, WHETHER IT HAPPENS AT SEPTEMBER, WHETHER IT HAPPENS, UM, IN JUNE, OR, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND WEEK OF MARCH OR WHATEVER, THE MOMENT THAT I COULD NO LONGER PAY, GIVE THE PEOPLE OF RICHARDSON THE ATTENTION TO SERVE IN THE SEAT IN THE WAY WHICH I WAS ELECTED TO DO, THEN I WILL STEP DOWN. UH, AND THAT IS MY WHOLEHEARTED ATTENTION, UH, WHENEVER THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE, THE RESIDENTS OF RICHARDSON DESERVE SOMEBODY WHO, UM, CAN PAY ATTENTION AND GIVE 'EM THE ATTENTION THEY NEED ON THIS STATUS. UM, COUNCIL OF INJUSTICE, I, I, UM, THOUGHT YOU HAD A, A GOOD IDEA AND I'M NOT AGAINST IT. UM, I SEE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UM, AND I KNOW BASED ON SOME OF THE FACES I REACTIONS IN THE AUDIENCE, I THINK SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, IT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME WRAPPING YOUR HEAD AROUND. UM, I THINK THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF MEANING IN THE MIDDLE. AND I, I THINK THAT ACCOMPLISHED EVERYBODY'S GOALS, IN ALL HONESTY. UM, AND IN THE SPIRIT OF LOOKING FORWARD, UM, GIVEN, IF THAT'S, [03:00:01] IF OTHERS ARE NOT ON BOARD WITH THAT, THEN I WOULD, UH, LOOK AT DOING THIS, UM, PROSPECTIVELY TO BEGIN WITH THE NEXT COUNCIL, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CHARTER AMENDMENT IS. AND I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, AND I, I WOULD ASSURE I SAY IT AGAIN TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR, MAYOR PERAM COUNCIL, THAT MY GOAL IS TO SERVE THIS COUNCIL WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS, UH, ALONGSIDE YOU. AND THE MOMENT I CAN'T DO THAT, AND, UH, I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MORE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THE EVENTS, I, I DO ALL THE READING, I DO EVERYTHING I SHOULD, UM, THE MOMENT I CAN'T DO THAT. AND WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT STYLE. WE ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN JUSTICE, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS YOU'RE BETTER AT, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU, ALL OF US HAVE TO KIND OF, IN THE PROCESS OF CAMPAIGNING, DECIDE WE'D KIND OF DO A BRANDING, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE, HOW DO WE REPRESENT BASED ON WHO WE ARE AS PEOPLE? AND WE ALL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. UM, ONCE WE GET ELECTED IS HOW ARE WE GONNA SERVE? UM, AND I KNOW I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, IT'S LIKE, IF YOU HAVE A PET THAT DIES, I ASSURE YOU COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE IS GONNA SEND YOU A LITTLE NOTE. AND THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'VE PROBABLY RECEIVED NOTES FROM YOU OVER, OVER THE YEARS, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR STYLE. THEY WILL NEVER GET ONE FROM DAN BARRIOS. I ASSURE YOU THAT. NOT BECAUSE I DON'T CARE, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT MY STYLE AND HOW I OPERATE. AND SAYING THAT, UM, I, I CAMPAIGNED ON BEING ACCESSIBLE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY EVERYBODY HAS MY NUMBER AND MY NUMBER RINGS AT ALL TIMES OF THE NIGHT. UM, BUT THAT IS WHO I AM. THAT'S WHAT I CAMPAIGNED ON, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I AM. I PUT IN A, I'VE ATTENDED BIRTHDAY PARTIES, I'VE ATTENDED ALL KINDS OF THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I AM, AND THAT'S WHAT I TRULY ENJOY IN THIS JOB. UM, AND THE MOMENT I CAN'T BE THAT PERSON TO THE VOTERS, I WILL STEP DOWN. UH, BUT AGAIN, I, I STAND BY THAT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS THE DECISION OF THIS COUNCIL, AND THEREFORE I SUPPORT THIS, UH, IN A PROSPECTIVE WAY. AND I JUST ASK THAT, UM, THE VOTERS REST ASSURED WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH ME OR NOT, WHETHER YOU WILL, YOU HAVE VOTED FOR ME IN THE PAST OR WILL VOTE FOR ME IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER YOU LIKE ME OR NOT, I WANT TO ASSURE ALL RESIDENTS THAT, UM, I WILL SERVE EVERY SINGLE ONE RESIDENT IN THIS COUNCIL, UH, IN A WAY THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY BRINGS GOOD ATTENTION TO THIS COUNCIL AND TO ALL THE HARD WORK THAT ALL OF YOU AND ALL STAFF DO DO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, MR. MAYOR, JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH RESIGN TO RUN IN THE SPIRIT OF COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS AND HOW HE ACTED WITH THE BOND ELECTION, AND IN THE SPIRIT OF MOVING THIS MEETING ALONG, I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT OUT A MOTION AND WE'LL JUST SEE WHERE THE TEMPERATURE IS ON IT. MR. MAYOR, I MOTION TO ORDER A SPECIAL ELECTION ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE HOME RULE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TO BE HELD ON MAY 2ND, 2026, TO PROVIDE FOR THE PUBLICATION AND POSTING OF A NOTICE, PROPOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE HOME RULE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT PROPOSITION XX NOT INCLUDE THE WORDS PRIOR TO GOVERNOR WAKING PROSPECTIVE, AND, UH, AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ELECTION SERVICES CONTRACTS WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY AND COLLIN COUNTY ELECTIONS DEPARTMENTS AND PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. BEFORE WE GET A SECOND ON THAT MOTION, I CAN SEE OUR ATTORNEY MOTIONING YES. SO YES, SIR, WE, WE'VE PREPARED A PROPOSED PROPOSITION AND AMENDMENT WITH PROSPECTIVE APPLICATION. WOULD YOU PREFER TO RESTATE THE MOTION JUST SAYING WITH THAT? HE SHOULD READ IT THAT WAY? YEAH. OKAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? NO, THAT WASN'T WHAT HE WAS DOING, BUT HE IS MORE THAN WELCOME. YEAH. HAPPY TO DO SO. I IMAGINE. THANKS. AND, ALL RIGHT, ONE OTHER MINOR HOUSEKEEPING ITEM, UH, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, BUT IN SECTION 1907, FIRST LINE, IT'S THE DEFINITION SECTION THAT WE'RE ADDING, OKAY? IN THE FIRST LINE, UH, THERE'S A TYPO AND IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING WORDS AND TERMS AND PHRASES WHEN USED IN THIS ARTICLE SHOULD SAY, THIS CHARTER SHALL HAVE THE FOLLOWING MEETING. SO, SO WITH THAT, WITH YOUR MOTION, WOULD YOU ALSO INCLUDE THAT CORRECTION? YES. . THANK YOU. I WITHDRAW THE MOTION I JUST MADE. AND , I MOVE TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION ON MAY 2ND, 2026, TO SUBMIT TO THE QUALIFIED VOTERS PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER, WHICH INCLUDES PROPOSITION 20 XX, THAT APPLIES THE RESIGNED TO RUN REQUIREMENT PROSPECTIVELY. [03:05:01] IN ADDITION, I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THE MINOR AMENDMENT THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY PETE SMITH JUST MADE. ALRIGHT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. SO WE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, UH, I SEE A LIGHT ON BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. I SECOND. ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? I'M SORRY? DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD? I'VE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. SO, SO COUNCILMAN MEMBER BARRIOS, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT IF YOU COULDN'T FROM A TIME PERSPECTIVE, YOU'D BE WILLING TO RESIGN. BUT I'D, I'D, I'D, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE IS IF PARTISANSHIP, AS THE MAYOR DISCUSSED, COMES INTO THE, COMES INTO THE CAMPAIGN AND, OR I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN, LEMME LEMME CORRECT THAT, BUT IN ANY WAY COMES INTO THIS DAIS, WOULD YOU ALSO RESIGN AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO KEEP THE PARTISANSHIP OUT OF THIS DAIS? I, I, I HAVE THAT QUESTION. 'CAUSE AS I STATED IN, IN EARLIER, THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN, AND I THINK THE MAYOR DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF, I'LL SAY TAGGING ON THAT IN REGARDS TO THE PARTISANSHIP PIECE. IF IT, IF IT, IF IT COMES IN AND IT, AND IT BECOMES A HINDRANCE AND OR A DISTRACTION, UM, SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING MINOR. UM, I, I I I, I THINK IT, IT, I I JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON IT. IS THAT FAIR? I HOPE THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. YEP. COUNCIL MEMBER VARS. MAYOR PROAM, THAT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION. I'LL ABSOLUTELY ANSWER THAT. UM, MAYOR PROAM, IF YOU EVER, IF, IF I DO THAT, I ASK THAT YOU CALL ME ON IT AND, UH, HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT AND, UM, AS, AS, AS YOU SHOULD. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UM, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. CALL ME THROUGH THAT. UH, IF I BRING THAT TO THIS DAIS, THEN, THEN YOU NEED TO CALL ME ON THAT AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT, IF THAT EVER HAPPENS IN A TIME OF WEAKNESS OR NOT, THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEVER, EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. OKAY, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. FIN, YOU'VE GOT SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION, NOT DISCUSSION. I, I'M CONFUSED . I, I, I WAS AFRAID YOU MIGHT BE. SO, UH, SO YOU NEED TO SAY CLEARLY. LET'S, LET'S BE BE VERY WILL HAPPEN. LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, SINCE WE ARE DISCUSSING, WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS MOTION. YEAH. WHAT THIS MOTION MEANS IS ANYBODY WHO IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE HAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED AND IS RUNNING BY THE TIME THAT WE CANVAS THIS ELECTION, WHICH WILL BE SOMETHING LIKE MAY THE 15TH OR 18TH OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE. IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY A CANDIDATE BY MAY 18TH, THEN YOU ARE GOOD AS GOLD. YOU CAN CONTINUE BEING A CANDIDATE, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR CANDIDACY, AND, UH, YOU WIN OR YOU LOSE, THAT'S WILL MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THAT LATER. THAT'S WHAT PERSPECTIVE MEANS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. SO IF YOU ARE A CANDIDATE BY THAT TIME, THAT'S THE CASE RIGHT AFTER MAY 18TH, RIGHT AFTER WE CANVAS. IF I DECIDE I WANNA RUN FOR GOVERNOR, THEN I WILL NEED TO ALSO RESIGN AT THAT TIME. OKAY? SO I THINK YOU SHOULD ANNOUNCE YOUR GOVERNOR . YOU WANT ME TO, YOU WANT ME TO DO IT NOW AND NOT LATER, AFTER, AFTER THE ELECTION, HE CAN DECIDE WHAT YEAH, YEAH. SORRY, SORRY FOR THE, UH, SORRY FOR THE EXAMPLE. UM, YEAH, SO IT'S MY, I THINK, NO, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. I THINK THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I SAY, SO AFTER, AFTER THE CANVASSING, ANYONE WHO ANNOUNCES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN INTERNAL, OKAY? I MEAN, UH, THEN, THEN THEY ARE NEEDING TO RESIGN, RIGHT? I MEAN, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION, BUT THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, WHAT I SAID BEFORE WITHOUT EMOTION, I, AS A ENGINEER, I WANNA SEE CLEAR DIRECTION INSTEAD OF WHAT IF AND ALL THOSE PROGRAMMING. SURE. UH, THIS IS, THIS IS VERY CONFUSING. WHEN SOMETHING TRIGGERS SOMETHING ELSE, TRIGGERS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING AND DISCUSSING AGAIN. WE WON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT AGAIN. SO LET'S SAY, NO, I'M SAYING THIS. LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, I AM THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR. LET'S JUST SAY THAT. OKAY? OKAY. BEFORE THE CANVAS, RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, I SAW THAT IT WON BEFORE THE CANVAS. I MAKE MY ANNOUNCEMENT SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE BEING MAYOR WHILE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR IF I SO CHOSE. SO I WILL HAVE TIME TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND I'LL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AT MY DISPOSAL. SO, SO IT'S, AND YOU'RE NOT PUNISHING ANYONE WHO'S MADE ANY DECISION BEFORE THE RULES CHANGED OR ANY OF THAT SORT OF THING? IT'S ALL FORWARD LOOKING. YEAH. BUT STILL, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY, [03:10:01] IT'S NOT PROTECTING THE CITY WHOLE WAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA CAMPAIGN WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PARTISAN CAMPAIGN IS, IT'S NOT, I CAN, I CAN AGREE WITH THE TIME THINGS BECAUSE ALL INDIVIDUAL SURE. BUT THE OTHER PART IS QUITE IMPOSSIBLE. THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING TODAY. UH, THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. YEAH. UH, SO THERE ARE ONLY TWO OPTIONS, OR AT LEAST THERE ARE TWO MAJOR OPTIONS. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THERE ARE TWO MAJOR OPTIONS. WE CAN EITHER SAY ANYONE WHO'S RUNNING AT THAT TIME, THEY GOTTA STEP DOWN OR WE SAY ANYONE WHO ANNOUNCES AFTERWARDS IS GONNA HAVE TO STEP DOWN. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERSPECTIVE, WHICH MEANS ANYONE AFTERWARDS IS GOING TO HAVE TO STEP DOWN. SO IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, THEN YOU WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A LIGHT ON BY MR. BARRIOS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, DO YOU HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION OR, UM, NO. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THIS IS TO ACT IN A PROSPECTIVE WAY, WHICH MEANS FUTURE LOOKING. AND IT IS ALSO TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS FROM, UH, ON THE, ON THE CHARTER THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER. ALL IN FAVOR OF A PROSPECTIVE AMENDMENT, SAY AYE. ALRIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? OH, OKAY. WE HAD A, A LATE HAND GO UP. SO WERE YOU, ARE YOU AN EYE ON THE PERSPECTIVE OR, I WAS AN EYE ON THE PERSPECTIVE. OKAY, SO PERSPECTIVE PASSES FOUR TO 3, 5, 2, 5 TO, LET'S DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. I'M SO SORRY. 'CAUSE THAT WAS A UNCLEAR AND I APOLOGIZE. OKAY, SO WE ARE VOTING ON A PERSPECTIVE AMENDMENT RIGHT TO THE CHARTER BEING ADDED FOR THIS NEXT ELECTION. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SO WE HAVE A FIVE TO TWO VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE AND COUNCIL MEMBER BAR, UH, UH, DORIAN VOTING AGAINST. ALRIGHT, LET US MOVE [9. CONSENT AGENDA] ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I KNOW THERE'S A MOTION READY, BUT I'D LOVE FOR, UH, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON NINE BEFORE WE YES SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WAS REQUESTED TO JUST ADDRESS ITEMS A AND B SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. UH, WE, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE POLK STREET, UH, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, YOU ABANDONED, UH, SOME EASEMENTS, UH, THAT WERE PART OF, UH, THAT, UH, BLOCK AS WELL AS, UM, DEALT WITH A, UH, ACCESS EASEMENT. UH, THE, THE, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT CAME THROUGH AT THAT TIME, UH, THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET, UH, THAT WERE, UM, TO THE SOUTH THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED. IT WAS, UH, EQUIVALENT, IN MY OPINION, TO WHAT WOULD BE DESCRIBED AS A SCRIBNER'S ERROR IN TERMS OF A, OF A DOCUMENT LIKE THAT. AND SO THIS JUST CLEANS IT UP ONCE, UH, ONCE AND FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES HAVE CLOSED. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF DISCOVERED THIS DISCREPANCY. IT'S A MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO THE PLANS. ALRIGHT, UH, HEARING THAT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PUBLISHED COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN, WRITER A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO [10. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ] ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT WAS ALL THAT INTERESTING TO SHARE? YES. UH, AMERI PROAM, UM, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE RICHARDSON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA ON AN OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE SATURDAY NIGHT. UM, ABSOLUTELY LOVED WHAT THEY DID. IT WAS FUN TO SEE THAT YOU CAN DO, UM, SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA AND A MORE, I GUESS I'LL SAY A MORE CONTEMPORARY WAY. AND I JUST LOVE THE FACT THAT WE, THAT THEY EXPANDED THEIR, THEIR REPERTOIRE, SO TO SPEAK, UM, AND WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP DOING THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC, AND I, I'VE NOT HEARD, I'VE HEARD SO MANY POSITIVES ABOUT IT. AND SO JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ANY OTHER ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST? UM, GOSH, I, OKAY. UH, I AM GOING TO, UH, SAY THANK YOU TO UTD FOR THEIR COMMUNITY APPRECIATION DAY. I KNOW A NUMBER OF US WENT TO IT AND HAD, UH, I THINK, UH, A GREAT TIME. IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYONE WAS ENJOYING THEMSELVES. UH, REALLY COOL TO SEE, UH, THAT MANY RESIDENTS GO OUT, UH, TO THE CAMPUS AND, AND TO ENJOY, UH, A COUPLE GAMES. BOTH THE WOMEN AND THE MEN WON IN DRAMATIC FASHION, AS I UNDERSTAND. AND WE HAVE BEEN ASKED, UH, PROFUSELY BY THE COACHES TO PLEASE SHOW UP AGAIN BECAUSE THAT HAS NOT BEEN A REGULAR OCCURRENCE. AND, UH, SO THEY WOULD LOVE WHATEVER. GOOD LUCK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN BROUGHT TO THE TABLE, , UH, TO HAPPEN TO HAPPEN AGAIN. UM, FRIDAY, I DID SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE, WHICH IS GO TO ACTUALLY TWO THINGS THAT I HAD NOT DONE, UH, UH, BEFORE. UH, THE FIRST WAS, UM, UH, TWO OF YOU HAVE, UH, I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A BERKER HIGH SCHOOL [03:15:01] PEP RALLY. OH, BUT I KNOW TWO OF YOU HAVE. COOL. UH, IT WAS QUITE ENLIGHTENING, ENJOYABLE, AND INVIGORATING. UH, I DID ASK THEM IF, IF NEXT TIME I COULD BRING ALL OF MY FAVORITE BERGNER RAMS WITH ME. AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY. AND SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE SHOW UP. AND EVEN NON RAMS, MAYBE RAMS AT HEART COULD SHOW UP . AND THEN, UM, ALSO, UH, LATER THAT SAME DAY, I GOT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE THAT I'D NEVER DONE BEFORE. AND REGRETTABLY, BECAUSE, UM, UH, AFTER DOING IT, I NOW WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO IT EVERY TIME GOING FORWARD, WHICH IS, UH, ATTENDING THE JJ PIERCE, UH, THEATER AND, UH, WATCHING NATASHA PIERRE AND THE GREAT COMET OF 1812. THAT WAS ASTOUNDING. I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS THAT KIND OF TALENT AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL. AND THE VENUE IS REALLY, REALLY COOL. IF YOU'VE NOT EVER BEEN, TRY TO GO OUT THERE AT LEAST ONCE. UM, LOVE TO SEE US SHOWCASING THOSE HIGH SCHOOL PERFORMANCES QUITE A BIT MORE FROM A, A, A ARTS PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WOW. UH, THERE WERE PROBABLY A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, BUT I'LL JUST STOP THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR. I THINK MOST OF US, IF NOT ALL OF US, WERE AT NETWORK ON THURSDAY FOR THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY. SO I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE NETWORK OF COMMUNITY MINISTRIES FOR THEIR CONTINUED WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE AMAZING WORK THEY DO TO PROVIDE SOCIAL SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY. 40 YEARS, WHAT A YEAR TO CELEBRATE. UM, AND, UM, CONGRATULATIONS. 'EM, I THINK, I THINK WE WERE ALL THERE. MAYBE ONE OF US, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK MOST OF US WERE THERE, UM, SATURDAY. I KNOW ALL OF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF DO A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I WAS NOT ABLE TO JOIN YOU GUYS ON. UH, I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL AND THOSE WHO MAY BE WONDERING WHY I'M NOT IN THE PICTURES FROM LAST SATURDAY. BUT, UH, MY SON, WHO IS IN AUDIENCE NIGHT WAS, HAD A PANEL INTERVIEW FOR A BIG SCHOLARSHIP. HE STARTS COLLEGE NEXT FALL AND, UH, SO I DROVE HIM UP TO, UH, OKLAHOMA CITY AND BACK THAT DAY SO HE CAN INTERVIEW IN FRONT OF THE SCHOLARSHIP BOARD. SO I WAS DOING DAD STUFF, SO THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MORPHINE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD FEW EVENTS, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE EVENT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK FOR THE CITY OF ES. THAT'S THE NORTH SIDE PUMP STATION , UH, YEAH. IS, IS A GREAT PROJECTS, UH, THAT'S COMPLETED. UH, FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY SIDE, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAS WHAT, 24 M MEG, MGD WATER PUMPING CAPACITY. IF WE HAVE ALL THOSE FOUR PUMP GOES CONSERVATIVELY, BUT THREE PUMP WILL BE CON WHAT IS MGD FOR? THE, UH, BELOW AVERAGE EIGHT GALLON PER DAY. OH, OKAY. SO 24 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. NICE. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER ALL THOSE NUMBERS, BUT ONE THING I THINK IT CAN REST ASSURED THAT WE WERE SETTING THAT THIS PUMP STATION REALLY SET THE GOAL FOR THE FUTURE OF RECHARGE ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AT THE IQ, THIS AREA, THIS 1200 ACRES THAT WILL, THAT WILL OPEN UP THE WATER THAT SUPPLY TO THIS AREA IF WE HAVE, IF WE SEE SUDDEN GROWTH IN THIS AREA. UH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES SO MUCH FLEXIBILITY FOR CHARON, UH, TO HAVE GROWTH. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE STALL GROWTH BECAUSE OF THE WATER SUPPLY. YEAH. SO THAT'S VERY FUTURE LOOKING PROJECT. I'M VERY EXCITED JUST TO SEE THOSE, UH, IRON PIPES AND THINGS THERE. SO, YEAH. UH, I THINK MAYBE THERE ISN'T ANOTHER AMENITY IN OUR CITY THAT IS, WAS AS COSTLY OR AS IMPORTANT AND YET NEVER SEEN OTHER THAN MAYBE THE FEW OF US THAT GOT A CHANCE TO GO DOWN INTO THAT VAULT, UH, THAN, THAN THAT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, UH, THAT AREA. AND IT WAS, UH, REALLY GREAT TO HEAR BOTH THE HISTORY, UH, MR. MAGNER AND, AND, UH, AND ALSO ALL THE EFFORT AND WORK THAT IT TOOK TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU AND THE ENTIRE TEAM DO TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY RUNS SO WELL. ALRIGHT. IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 9:40 PM GOOD. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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