Mar 23, 2026 City Council

WHEREAS THE RICHARDSON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT IS COMMITTED TO EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND RECOGNIZES THAT EXCEPTIONAL TEACHERS INSPIRE CURIOSITY, CREATIVITY, AND LIFELONG LEARNING IN THEIR STUDENTS.

AND WHEREAS THE RICHARDSON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT TEACHER AWARD PROGRAM BEGAN IN 1976 AS THE RECOGNIZING INNOVATIONS FOR TEACHER, UH, FOR STUDENT EDUCATION, ALSO KNOWN AS THE RISE PROGRAM, CREATED TO HONOR OUTSTANDING EDUCATORS WHO DEMONSTRATE INNOVATION AND EXCELLENCE IN THE CLASSROOM.

AND WHEREAS IN MAY, 2002, THE RISE FOUNDATION EVOLVED INTO RISD TOMORROW, INC.

AND IN 2008 BECAME THE RISD EXCELLENCE IN EDUCATION FOUNDATION INCORPORATED, WHICH CONTINUES THE PROUD TRADITION OF RECOGNIZING INNOVATION AND EXCELLENCE THROUGH THE ANNUAL PRESENTATION OF THE STARS AWARD SUPERIOR TEACHING ACHIEVEMENTS IN RISD SCHOOLS.

AND WHEREAS STAR'S RECIPIENTS ARE SELECTED THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS CONDUCTED BY A COMMITTEE OF PARENTS, BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF WHO VISIT CLASSROOMS, CONDUCT INTERVIEWS, AND REVIEW ESSAYS SUBMITTED BY NOMINATORS TO IDENTIFY THE MOST OUTSTANDING EDUCATORS IN THE DISTRICT.

AND WHEREAS DYLAN KIRK, MUSIC TEACHER AT RICHLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND RICHARDSON, ISD, TEACHES STUDENTS FROM PRE-KINDERGARTEN THROUGH SIXTH GRADE AND IS DEDICATED TO HELPING YOUNG LEARNERS GROW IN CONFIDENCE AND LEADERSHIP THROUGH MUSIC PERFORMANCE AND THE DISCOVERY OF THEIR OWN VOICES.

AND WHEREAS IN RECOGNITION OF HIS COMMITMENT TO INSPIRING STUDENTS AND ENRICHING THE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE THROUGH MUSIC AND CREATIVITY, DYLAN KIRK HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE 24 25 RISD ELEMENTARY TEACHER OF THE YEAR, AND ONE OF EIGHT RISD STARS TEACHERS OF THE YEAR.

I AMIR OMAR, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE DYLAN KIRK FOR HIS OUTSTANDING DEDICATION TO EDUCATION AND FOR INSPIRING STUDENTS AT RICHLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THROUGH MUSIC, LEADERSHIP AND CREATIVITY.

CONGRATULATIONS, DYLAN.

WE SHOULD DO 'EM ALL TOGETHER IN TERMS OF THE PHOTO, RIGHT? IS THAT PROBABLY APPROPRIATE? OR WE COULD DO ONE FOR YOU.

YEAH, I THINK IF YOU WANT, MAYOR, IF YOU WANT DO ONE INDIVIDUAL AND THEN, UH, WITH EACH RECIPIENT, AND THEN YOU CAN DO A GROUP PHOTO.

SO COUNCIL, IF YOU WANT JOIN THE MAYOR, BIG SMILE ON, HANG OUT ON THE SIDE AND WE'LL TAKE A PHOTO WITH EVERYBODY.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE

[6. PRESENTATION OF A PROCLAMATION FOR DIANA LARSEN, TEACHER AT BERKNER HIGH SCHOOL, FOR BEING SELECTED AS RISD SECONDARY TEACHER OF THE YEAR FOR 2024 2025 ]

SECOND PROCLAMATION.

A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA SOUND FAMILIAR, BUT THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS, OF COURSE ARE DIFFERENT.

CONGRATULATIONS.

LEARNING IN THEIR STUDENTS.

WHEREAS THE RICHARDSON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT IS COMMITTED TO EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND RECOGNIZES THE EXCEPTIONAL TEACHERS INSPIRE CURIOSITY, CREATIVITY, AND LIFELONG

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AND WHEREAS THE RICHARDSON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT TEACHER AWARD PROGRAM BEGAN IN 1976 AS THE RECOGNIZING INNOVATIONS FOR STUDENT EDUCATION OR THE RISE PROGRAM, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, CREATED TO HONOR OUTSTANDING EDUCATORS WHO DEMONSTRATE INNOVATION AND EXCELLENCE IN THE CLASSROOM.

AND WHEREAS 2002, THE RISE PROGRAM, UH, THE RISE FOUNDATION EVOLVED INTO RSD TOMORROW AND IN 2008 BECOME RISD, EXCELLENCE IN EDUCATION FOUNDATION, WHICH CONTINUES THE PROUD TRADITION OF RECOGNIZING INNOVATION AND EXCELLENCE THROUGH THE ANNUAL PRESENTATION OF THE STARS AWARD, THE SUPERIOR TEACHING ACHIEVEMENTS IN OUR ISD SCHOOLS.

AND WHEREAS STARS RECIPIENTS ARE SELECTED THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROGRESS PROCESS CONDUCTED BY COMMITTEE OF PARENTS, BOARD MEMBERS, AND STAFF WHO VISIT CLASSROOMS, CONDUCT INTERVIEWS, AND REVIEW ESSAYS SUBMITTED BY NOMINATORS TO IDENTIFY THE MOST OUTSTANDING EDUCATORS IN THE DISTRICT.

AND WHEREAS DIANA LARSON, A 12TH GRADE AVID TEACHER AT NER HIGH SCHOOL, EXEMPLIFIES AN UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO STUDENT SUCCESS AND EQUITY IN EDUCATION.

THROUGH HER WORK, SHE ADVANCES THE MISSION OF ENSURING THAT ALL STUDENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED IN HIGHER EDUCATION, ARE EMPOWERED TO EXCEL AND CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY WITHIN A GLOBAL SOCIETY.

AND WHEREAS IN RECOGNITION OF HER EXCEPTIONAL DEDICATION, IMPACT, AND LEADERSHIP IN EDUCATION, DIANA LARSON HAS BEEN HONORED AS THE 20 24, 20 25 RSD SECONDARY TEACHER OF THE YEAR, AND ONE OF EIGHT RISD STARS TEACHERS OF THE YEAR.

NOW, THEREFORE, I AMIR OMAR, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE DIANA LARSON FOR HER COMMITMENT TO CREATING A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT WHERE EVERY STUDENT FEELS SEEN, VALUED, AND INSPIRED.

CONGRATULATIONS, DIANA .

I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN EARLIER.

ARE WE GOOD? YES.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND A, UM, NUMBER SEVEN IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR ELDERLY CHILD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT, THAT'S BECAUSE MAYOR, MAYOR, I, I, I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TIM.

I WAS GONNA SAY OUR SUPERINTENDENT, TABITHA BONHAM IS HERE.

MAYBE SHE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN IN.

COME ON.

IT'S ABOUT THEM.

I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT.

I ACTUALLY, EVERYBODY MOVE THIS WAY? ALL THAT SPOT.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO

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UH, AND I'LL ALSO BE READING ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION TEAM HERE WITH US TONIGHT.

AND, UH, PEYTON FOWLER, WHO IS OUR RECREATION AND DAY CAMP COORDINATOR, IS GONNA LEAD THE BRIEFING FOR US.

UH, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR READING BOTH CAPTIONS.

WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, UH, IS PEYTON'S GONNA RUN THROUGH ONE PRESENTATION THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO, UH, BOTH

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PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, SUBSEQUENT TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR PEYTON, WHICH YOU CAN DO IS OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

UH, CLOSE THAT AFTER ANY, UH, COMMENTS ARE, UH, MADE.

IF, IF RECEIVED, TAKE ACTION ON THAT AND THEN DO THE SAME FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

AND SO, PEYTON, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND FOR PUTTING THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT.

WE'LL BE REVIEWING THE STANDARDS OF CARE FOR THE RICHARDSON DAY CAMP AND EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. OUR DAY CAMP PROGRAM EXISTS AS FOUR DIFFERENT CAMPS.

KINDER CAMP FOR AGES FIVE AND SIX, PLAYGROUND CAMP FOR AGES SEVEN THROUGH 11.

ELEMENTARY CAMP FOR AGES SEVEN THROUGH 11.

AND TEEN CAMP FOR AGES 12 THROUGH 15.

KINDER CAMP, ELEMENTARY CAMP AND TEEN CAMP ARE ALL HOSTED AT TERRACE ELEMENTARY.

OUR EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR AGES FIVE AND SIX IS LOCATED AT HUFFINES RECREATION CENTER.

WE HAVE ROTATING TOPICS AND THEMES OFFERED ON VARIOUS DAYS AND TIMES FROM VARYING ONE AND A HALF TO THREE HOURS PER DAY.

WE FOLLOW THE RSD HOLIDAY SCHEDULE AND OFFERINGS ARE MODIFIED THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER MONTHS.

STATE DAYCARE REGULATIONS STATE THAT NO PERSON MAY OPERATE A CHILDCARE FACILITY OR CHILD PLACING AGENCY WITHOUT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING.

A LICENSE ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES, A CERTIFICATE TO OPERATE UNDER ACCREDITATION ISSUED BY THE DFPS EXEMPTION OUTLINED IN SECTION 42 0 4 1 SUBSECTION B 14.

WE FALL UNDER THIS STATUTE TO MAINTAIN OUR EXEMPTION STATUS.

AN ELEMENTARY AGE RECREATION PROGRAM OPERATED BY A MUNICIPALITY IS EXEMPT, PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA ARE MET A COMPLETE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY REQUEST FOR EXEMPTION FORM PER WRITTEN CONFIRMATION FROM DFPS IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM, THIS FORM DOES NOT REQUIRE ANNUAL SUBMISSION.

GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY ANNUALLY ADOPTS STANDARDS OF CARE BY ORDINANCE AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING.

ORDINANCE INCLUDES AT MINIMUM STAFFING RATIOS, STAFF QUALIFICATIONS, FACILITY HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS AND MECHANISMS FOR MONITORING AND ENFORCING THE ADOPTED LOCAL STANDARDS, STANDARDS OF CARE PROVIDED TO THE PARENTS OF EACH PROGRAM.

PARTICIPANT PARENTS MUST BE INFORMED THAT THE PROGRAM IS NOT LICENSED AND THE PROGRAM IS NOT ADVERTISED AS A CHILDCARE FACILITY.

SO, IN SUMMARY, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, DURING TONIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING, CITY STAFF REQUESTS THE ADOPTION OF THE STANDARDS OF CARE OUTLINED IN THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE AS CITY ORDINANCE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT.

I SEE NONE.

YOU DID A PHENOMENAL JOB.

UH, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I HAVE NO CARDS, MAYOR, UH, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CARES TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE.

SEEING NONE.

AH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN RIDER.

MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ABOUT TO LIGHT UP, BUT YOU GOT A SECOND BY CHANCE.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

UM, SO WE GOT A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES SIX ZERO.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE HAD TO STEP AWAY FOR A MOMENT.

UH, AND DO WE MAKE A MOTION NOW OR DO WE CLOSE, DO THE OTHER PUBLIC HEARING? NO, WE, WE JUST CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, I KNOW, BUT DO WE MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ONE TO APPROVE IT OR, YES, SIR.

YOU'LL, YOU'LL CONCLUDE YOUR ACTION ON SEVEN AND THEN DO THE SAME FOR EIGHT.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

YES, SIR.

MAYOR PROTO ANDRE MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER INE I SECOND IT ALL.

MOTION BY, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THAT IS SIX ZERO WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE OUT FOR THE MOMENT.

UM, AND WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO CL UH, WE CAN JUST VOTE ON NUMBER EIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT.

CORRECT.

UM, OR DO WE NEED TO YOU'LL HOLD ANOTHER, YOU'LL, YOU'LL OPEN ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.

CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN TAKE THE VOTE.

AH, OKAY.

YES, SIR.

WELL THEN WE'RE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UM, UH, ITEM EIGHT.

AND MS. NEER NO CARDS.

MAYOR, THERE ARE NO CARDS.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANNA SPEAK ABOUT ITEM EIGHT? I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I SECOND.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES SIX ZERO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE OUT.

UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

MAYOR PRO TIMM HUTCHIN RIDER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE RICHARDSON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER DOREEN.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER.

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ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THAT'S SIX ZERO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE OUT FOR THAT VOTE.

UM, WE'LL MOVE

[9. CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE ZF 25-24, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP BY GRANTING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENT AT 2100 ALAMO ROAD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, ZONED PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE LR-M(2) LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT.]

ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, A CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE 25 DASH 24 AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE BY GRANTING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COSMETIC TATTOOING ESTABLISHMENT AT 2100 ALAMO DRIVE.

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

MAYOR, COUNSEL, THIS ITEM WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR, FOR FEBRUARY 23RD.

AT THAT TIME, YOU DID OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE THE CASE TO TONIGHT.

UH, SINCE THEN, THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED VERBALLY WITH STAFF THAT, UH, HE NO LONGER INTENDS TO, UH, OPERATE, UH, THE BUSINESS AT THIS LOCATION.

THE LANDLORD HAS CONFIRMED IN WRITING THE STAFF THAT, UH, HE HAS TERMINATED THE LEASE WITH THE APPLICANT.

AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD BE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST, UH, HANDLE THIS BUSINESS, UM, TONIGHT TO CLOSE IT OUT.

PERFECT.

UH, FROM A FORMALITY PERSPECTIVE, MS. NEER, I ASSUME WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS? WE DO NOT.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? ALRIGHT.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

OH, SORRY.

OH, COULD WE MAKE A MOTION? SURE.

PLEASE DO.

UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

UH, WE'LL BE CLOSING THE, UH, OH, SORRY.

I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALRIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TIMM HUTCHIN.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TIMM HUTCHIN RIDER.

ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SIX ZERO, UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE OUT.

UH, AND YES.

UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AINE.

UH, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST, UH, FOR ZONING FILE ZF 25 DASH 24.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ARFIN.

COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

WITHOUT PREJUDICE, DON'T WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT, UH, IF YOU DO IT WELL? YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT.

SO YOU, THERE'S NO PRE YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, WITH PREJUDICE? NO.

TO ITEM NUMBER 10, UH, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ZONING FILE ZF 26 DASH OH ONE AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE BY GRANTING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT CENTER AT 5 0 6 LOCKWOOD DRIVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? UH, THAT IS DENIED UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, SIX TO ZERO WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE OUT.

AND WE WILL MOVE ON

[10. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE ZF 26-01, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP BY GRANTING A CHANGE IN ZONING BY GRANTING A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT CENTER AT 506 LOCKWOOD DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS, ZONED PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT MAIN STREET/CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM-BASED CODE (CENTRAL PLACE SUBDISTRICT).]

MAIN STREET, CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM BASED CODE CENTRAL PLACE SUBDISTRICT.

MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

UH, DEREK PETERS, OUR SENIOR PLANNER IS GONNA LEAD OUR CITY BRIEFING ON THIS SUBSEQUENT TO DEREK'S PRESENTATION.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

SO DEREK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR BRIEFING.

WOULD HAVE AT A TIME IS 30 INDIVIDUALS, AND THAT INCLUDES THE CHILDREN AND THEIR PARENTS OR GUARDIANS.

THE SUBJECT SIDE IS AT 5 0 6 LOCKWOOD DRIVE.

THIS IS IN WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE LOCKWOOD DISTRICT NORTH OF BELTLINE ROAD, AND LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LOCKWOOD DRIVE, WEST OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF CUSTER ROAD.

THE THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT CENTER, SPECIFICALLY AN INDOOR PLAYGROUND.

THIS, THIS, A SITE IS ZONED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM BASED CODE IN THE CENTRAL PLACE.

SUBDISTRICT AND THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN HAS DESIGNATED THIS AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TYPE, WHICH CALLS FOR AREAS WHERE YOU CAN LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY IN A COMPACT AREA.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS SHOWN IN THE YELLOW OUTLINE.

THOSE ARE THE PROPERTY LINES.

AND THEN SHOWN IN THE RED OUTLINE IS THE SUBJECT SUITE.

SO THIS IS THE LOCKWOOD DISTRICT.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, THERE'S THE CITY WATER TOWER.

AND BEHIND THE WATER TOWER IS A PUBLIC PARKING AREA.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION 'CAUSE THAT IS FAIRLY NEW.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.

SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS HALF AN ACRE.

THE BUILDING IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THE PROPOSED SUITE SPACE IS 3,500 SQUARE FEET.

AND AGAIN, IT'S SHOWN IN THE RED OUTLINE HERE.

SO THIS IS AN EXISTING SUITE SPACE THAT HAS BEEN CARVED OUT IN THIS BUILDING BETWEEN LIZZIE BEE'S FLORIST AND LOCKWOOD DISTILLERY AND BREWING, UH, LOCKWOOD DISTILLERY AND RESTAURANT.

TODAY, LOCKWOOD USES THIS AREA FOR OVERFLOW STORAGE AND FOR OCCASIONALLY, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS.

UH, BUT IT IS UNDERUTILIZED, SO IT IS AVAILABLE FOR LEASE.

UM, THIS BUILDING IS 18 FOOT TALL.

THE PARKING LOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE PROVIDES 35 SPACES IN TOTAL IN THE LOCKWOOD DISTRICT.

THERE ARE 131 PARKING SPACES, AND THAT INCLUDES THE PAR PARKING AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT TO THE WEST.

HERE'S MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL OPERATIONS OF THE PLAYGROUND.

SO THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE DESIGNED FOR CHILDREN UP TO EIGHT, UP TO FIVE YEARS OLD.

THE APPLICANT ANTICIPATES AT MAXIMUM, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUESTS THEY

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SO THERE MUST BE A PARENT OR GUARDIAN AT ALL TIMES PRESENT WITH THE CHILDREN IN THE FACILITY.

UH, THERE WILL BE A STAFF MEMBER PRESENT, BUT THERE MUST BE A, A PARENT AND SUPERVISING THE CHILDREN.

ALL ACTIVITIES WILL TAKE PLACE INDOORS HOURS OF OPERATION ARE AS FOLLOWS.

MONDAYS, THEY WILL BE CLOSED DURING THE WEEK FROM TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

THEY WILL ALLOW WALK-INS, SO OPEN PLAY FROM 9:00 AM TO FIVE 30 WHEN THEY CLOSE IN THE EVENINGS.

AND THEN ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY THEY WILL BE OPEN FOR, UH, APPOINTMENT ONLY FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES FROM 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM AND I HAVE NOTED HERE ON THESE LAST TWO CONDITIONS THAT ALL ACTIVITIES WILL TAKE PLACE INDOORS AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE INCLUDED AS SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT.

SO YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT IN THE, UH, PACKET AND IN THE ORDINANCE, THOSE HOURS OF OPERATIONS ARE LIMITED AS PROPOSED.

ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS SLIDE, YOU SEE THE CONCEPTUAL FLOOR PLAN STARTING AT THE BOTTOM.

THERE'S AN ENTRANCE WHERE THERE WILL BE A DEDICATED DOOR TO ENTER THIS SUITE SPACE.

THERE IS ALREADY A DOOR THERE TODAY.

UM, ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, UH, YOU WILL WALK IN AND THERE WILL BE A CHECK-IN AREA, A SMALL PARTY ROOM, AN OFFICE STORAGE AREA.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE SUITE SPACE, YOU HAVE YOUR LARGER MAIN PLAY AREA WHERE THERE WILL BE THE LARGER PLAY STRUCTURES, CLIMBING STRUCTURES, STAIRS AND SLIDES, UM, AS WELL AS RESTROOMS IN THE REAR.

AND THIS IS A THREE DAY RENDERING OF THAT FLOOR PLAN TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF HOW THAT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WILL BE SITUATED.

INSIDE HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT THERE IS A PHOTO HERE OF THE INTERIOR OF THAT BUILDING WHERE THIS, UH, PROPOSED PLAYGROUND WILL GO TOWARDS THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

UH, IN THE REAR OF THIS, UH, PHOTO, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT, BUT IT DOES EXPAND TOWARDS THE REAR WHERE THERE'S EVEN MORE ROOM.

UM, HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION FROM LOCKWOOD.

AND AGAIN, ANOTHER PHOTO OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION WHERE YOU SEE THE ENTRY TO THAT SUITE.

HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE EAST ELEVATION AND THE NORTH ELEVATION, THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT PUBLIC PARKING LOT BENEATH THE WATER TOWER.

THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED.

AND STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE IN RESPONSE TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

NOTICE CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE THE ZONING FILE AND ORDINANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED TODAY AND AS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET WITH AMENDED CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST TONIGHT.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS.

THE STAFF COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

UH, DEREK, I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK I WAS THERE A COUPLE MONTHS BACK FOR ANR EVENT.

I THINK THERE'S A PASS THROUGH.

WILL THAT BE REQUIRED TO BE SHUT, UH, BETWEEN LOCKWOOD AND THE, THE NEW VENUE? I BELIEVE THE BUILDING CODE WILL CALL FOR IT TO BE SHUT.

I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE BUILDING CODE WILL REQUIRE FOR IT TO BE SHUT, BUT THEY DO INTEND FOR IT TO BE SHUT AND THERE WON'T BE THAT PASS THROUGH BETWEEN THEM.

THAT, THAT IT WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE BUILDING CODE.

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, STEPH? ALRIGHT.

UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU PRESENT.

GOOD EVENING.

IF YOU'LL START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN YOU CAN GO FROM THERE.

TIFFANY LONG, ANSON LONG, OUR ADDRESS IS 2 6 7 3 HONEYSUCKLE DRIVE.

WONDERFUL.

SEATING AREAS FOR PARENTS BEYOND PLAY.

UM, AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IT'S ALREADY BOARDED THE, THE DOORS BETWEEN THE SPACE.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR VISION THIS EVENING.

KID AND PLAY IS A HUSBAND AND WIFE OWNED INDOOR PLAY SPACE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR CHILDREN, HUH? OH, NO.

AGES ZERO TO FIVE.

DON'T AGREE WITH THE MIC.

I MEAN, MAN, CAN I DO MY THING PLEASE? OUR MISSION IS TO CREATE A SAFE, CLEAN, AND ENGAGING ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOUNG CHILDREN CAN BUILD CONFIDENCE THROUGH PLAY WHILE PARENTS HAVE A COMFORTABLE PLACE TO CONNECT, RELAX OR SEND A FEW EMAILS FOR WORK.

WE'RE BRINGING A THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED INDOOR PLAYGROUND TO THE LOCKWOOD AREA OF RICHARDSON, TRANSFORMING THE SPACE INTO A VIBRANT CENTERED DESTINATION.

OUR FACILITY WILL OFFER STRUCTURED PLAY FEATURES, IMAGINATIVE, OPEN, OPEN PLAY ZONES, BIRTHDAY PARTY EXPERIENCES, AND WELCOMING

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KID AND PLAY IS ABOUT STRENGTHENING COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO BE A GATHERING PLACE FOR LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE PTA, A SUPPORTER OF NEARBY BUSINESSES AND A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF LOCKWOOD.

WE'RE COMMITTED TO SAFETY, CLEANLINESS, AND RESPONSIBLE OPERATIONS.

WE'RE NOT JUST OPENING A PLAY SPACE, WE'RE CREATING A COMMUNITY HUB FOR FAMILIES RIGHT HERE IN IN RICHARDSON.

I LOVE IT.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? YES.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY I LOVE THE CONCEPT.

I KNOW MY SON TURNS 18 NEXT MONTH, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS IN AGE, WE USED TO GO UP TO PLANO AND MCKINNEY IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT HAD SIMILAR TYPE, UH, UM, VENUES.

MY, HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

IT WAS SAID THAT THERE'D BE A PARENT REQUIRED, UH, FOR THE CHILD.

SO AM I ABLE TO BRING FIVE KIDS? AM I, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT.

'CAUSE AND I, I GUESS I'M, MY QUESTION AROUND, UM, THE REQUIREMENT AROUND HOW MANY ADULTS PER CHILD? I KNOW LIKE FOR, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT A DAYCARE, BUT I KNOW DAYCARES HAVE LIKE REQUIREMENTS OF X AMOUNT OF KIDS PER ADULT, DEPENDING ON THE AGE GROUP.

I DON'T.

UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A DISTILLERY NEXT DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, YOU HAVE A BREWERY, YOU HAVE A BAR A FEW DOORS DOWN MM-HMM .

UM, SO I'M JUST KIND OF, MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF, YOU KNOW, PARENTS DECIDE TO GO NEXT DOOR TO GO PLAY MAHJONG FOR A FEW HOURS, AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE 20 KIDS RUNNING AROUND WITH ONE ADULT TYPE SITUATION, UH, WHERE PER PERHAPS IT COULD BE, UH, NOT, NOT THE MOST SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

UM, SO CAN YOU KINDA SPEAK TOWARDS THAT? HELP ME UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRING AS A BUSINESS OR MAYBE IF THERE'S AN OVERSIGHT OF WHAT'S REQUIRED FROM YOU GUYS.

UM, YEAH, I I I WOULD SAY IT'S A, IT'S A VALID QUESTION FOR SURE.

AND YES, THERE IS THE DISTILLERY AND THE BREWERY, BUT THE WAY THAT WE ARE TARGETING OUR AUDIENCE, IT'S FOR THE PARENTS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE KIDS.

IT'S MORE FOR A COMMUNITY FOR ADULTS THAT HAPPEN TO HAVE CHILDREN.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE RATIO FOR ADULTS TO KIDS, IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT YOU BRING UP.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED, BUT MOST PARENTS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY WITH THEIR CHILDREN.

SO IF YOU BRING FIVE KIDS IN, I DON'T KNOW A PARENT THAT WOULD LEAVE MM-HMM .

BUT THERE WILL BE STAFF PRESENT RIGHT AT THE FRONT DOOR.

SO WE'LL SEE ANYBODY THAT WALKS OUT WITHOUT KIDS AND THEY COME IN WITH KIDS AND THEY WALK OUT WITHOUT KIDS, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MANAGING THAT.

IS THERE ANY KIND, WHAT'S THE CHECK-IN PRO? I REMEMBER WHEN MY SON AND I USED TO GO TO CHUCK E.

CHEESE, THEY USED TO STAMP US.

UM, AND THAT KIND OF, DO YOU HAVE A SIMILAR TYPE? IS IT A BAND SITUATION OR IS IT JUST NO WRISTBANDS.

UM, WE WANNA USE AS MUCH TECHNOLOGY AS POSSIBLE.

SO THE WAY THAT WE FORESEE THINGS IN TERMS OF CHECK-IN IS USING LIKE A QR CODE.

SO YOU GO ONLINE, YOU GET YOUR TICKETS, YOU GET A QR CODE, YOU COME INSIDE, YOU SCAN IT, YOU GO INSIDE, ATTACHED TO THE QR CODE IS A WAIVER, YOU KNOW, OF ALL THE TERMS THAT YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO, AND THEN YOU'RE FREE TO PLAY.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER? FIN UH, THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT.

THANK YOU, MR. RAM.

MAYOR.

MAYOR, UH, JUST HAVE A ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

UH, YOU, UH, WHICH IS, UH, LIKE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUESTS IS 30.

UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? IS THAT CASE 30 OR TOTAL NUMBER? I ASSUME THAT IF I TAKE THAT 30, THAT MEANS YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE TOTAL NUMBER.

WE STILL HAVE TO GET OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, BUT THE PLAY STRUCTURE, THE LARGE PLAY STRUCTURE YOU SEE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE BETWEEN 40 TO 50 KIDS, SURPRISINGLY, WHICH WE WOULD NOT DO THAT, OF COURSE.

AND THEN THE TODDLER AREA IS ABOUT ABOUT 20 ACCORDING TO THE BUILDER THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.

UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPPING IT AT 30 PEOPLE, KIDS AND ADULTS INCLUDED.

KIDS AND ADULTS.

SO YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL SPACE.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN BARRIOS TO STAY OR JUST ME AS THE, THE PARENT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE CHILDREN? SO FOR THE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, IT'S ONE BIRTHDAY PARTY AT A TIME.

MAYOR PER HU WRITER, UH, A QUESTION, A THOUGHT, A QUESTION IS, IS IT'S IDENTIFIED HERE THAT YOU HAVE A PARTY ROOM, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LIKE BIRTHDAY PARTIES HERE? CORRECT.

SO WHEN, OKAY.

SO WOULD YOU NOT HAVE THE SCENARIO WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS MY DAUGHTER WAS HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY AND COUNCILMAN BARAS WANTED TO DROP HIS SON OFF, THIS WOULD BE A LOT OF YEARS AGO, BUT WOULD HE NOT DROP HIS SON OFF FOR THE BIRTHDAY PARTY? AND THEN, IS IT THEN WOULD I JUST BE THE ONLY WOULD, I MEAN, WOULD YES, WOULD Y WOULD YOU REQUIRE

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NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ATTENDEES THERE.

UM, IF YOU WANT MR. BARRIOS TO DROP OFF HIS CHILD, THEN YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE.

SO DO YOU, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LIKE, DO YOU WANNA WATCH MORE KIDS ? SO, SO GIVEN, SO NO, NO, NO.

AND I, SO, SO MY ONLY, THE OVERALL GOAL IS FOR THE PARENTS WHO BRING THE KIDS TO STAY.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I THINK, UH, DURING MY DAUGHTER'S FORMATIVE YEARS OFF, USUALLY IT WAS THE PARENTS WERE THERE WITH THE CHILD WHOSE BIRTHDAY IT WAS, YOU DROPPED YOUR CHILD OFF, YOU CAME BACK IN AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS, PICKED YOUR CHILD UP AND LEFT.

OH, INTERESTING.

SO AT LEAST AT LIKE PLACES THAT COUNCILMAN BARRIOS DISCUSSED CHUCK E.

CHEESE, OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT MM-HMM .

SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AS I UNDERSTAND YOU WANNA USE TECHNOLOGY, BUT I THINK, I THINK YOU MAY REALLY WANT TO CONSIDER USING THE, UM, THE, THE WRIST WRAPS, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, YEAH.

BANDS AND IDENTIFYING.

SO THE, THE, THE OTHER CONCERN I WOULD HAVE WOULD JUST BE IN THE WORLD 2026, WE RUN THE RISK OF A, OF A CHILD BEING KIDNAPPED OR TAKEN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE, I CAN'T QUITE TELL BY YOUR PRINT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, THE, THE CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IN THE WORLD 2026, SOMEONE COMES IN DISTRACTS, WHO'S EVER AT THAT FRONT DESK MM-HMM .

HIS, HIS OR HER ACCOMPLICE GRABS A CHILD AND GOES OUT.

I MEAN, AT LEAST IF YOU HAVE THAT BANDING, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, IT, THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST A, A LEVEL OF, OF CHECKPOINT TO TRY TO, TO DO THAT.

IT'S, I'M, I'M NOT, IT'S NOT A PART OF IT WOULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT.

FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.

'CAUSE IT WAS ANOTHER, I CAN'T REMEMBER, WE HAD ANOTHER GROUP THAT CAME SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL AND DID SOMETHING WHERE THEY HAD, IT WAS GONNA BE BANNED AT WHERE YOU HAD THE CHILD GOT CHECKED IN AND CHECKED OUT VIA THE, THE BAND.

AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE ORGANIZATION, BUT I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION IN THE PAST AND I JUST WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT.

BUT THAT, THAT WAS JUST A COMMENT.

BUT I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR, YOUR, HOW YOU WERE GONNA RUN YOUR BIRTHDAY PARTIES.

COUNCIL, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN.

AND, AND, AND, AND THANK YOU.

UM, I, UH, WANTED TO ACTUALLY TAG ONTO THAT AS WELL.

THAT FRONT, UH, AREA, WHICH LOOKS TO ME LIKE WILL BE QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVITY IF THERE IS A BIRTHDAY PARTY, UM, HAPPENING OR ANY TYPE OF EVENT.

I KNOW THE CHECK-IN STATION'S AROUND THE CORNER BEHIND THAT, UH, WING WALL MM-HMM .

IS THAT DOOR AUTO LATCHED OR IS PE, CAN PEOPLE COME IN JUST RANDOMLY? DOES IT STAY OPEN OR IS IT, DOES IT AUTO LATCH? DOES IT HAVE TO BE, YOU HAVE TO BE BUZZED IN TO HIT TO, UM, IT, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUTO LOCKING, BUT WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE DOOR MM-HMM .

BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT THE BEST DOOR.

UM, SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

WELL SECURE, BUT JUST SINCE WE'RE ON THE SECURITY SUBJECT MATTER.

I FEEL LIKE FOR SECURITY REASONS, AND AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESTAURANT MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, SORT OF AN ENTERTAINING TYPE, UM, AREA.

AND WITH KIDS COMING IN AND OUT, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

SO I, I'M, I'M IN THAT AREA ALL THE TIME.

AND THERE'S A, UH, THE PARKING LOT'S USUALLY FILLED UP TO THE MAX.

AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IF, IF THAT'S, IT'S NOT SOME TYPE OF SECURITY ISSUE THERE, NOT JUST NECESSARILY THE DOOR, BUT JUST ALSO GETTING INTO THE FACILITY, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.

'CAUSE THEY, THEY'RE THE PARKING LOT'S LITERALLY JUST SIX FEET AWAY.

YEAH, WE, UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA GET A NEW DOOR AND THEN, UM, THE SECTION, LIKE BY THE DESK, THAT SILVER DESK, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BARRIER AND THE BARRIER'S GOING TO BE LOCKED.

SO ONCE THE KIDS ARE INSIDE, PAST THE BARRIER, THEY CANNOT GET OUT UNLESS, UM, THE PARENT FROM THE OUTSIDE PRESSES THE BUTTON TO OPEN UP THE DOOR.

AND, AND THEY CAN THAT, SO THE PARENTS ARE GONNA BE IN THE FRONT AND THE KIDS WILL BE IN THE BACK AND THAT'S WHERE THE QR CODE COMES IN.

YOU SEE THE QR CODE, YOU'LL BE ABLE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GETTING AT TOO.

I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A BUFFER THERE.

'CAUSE YEAH, ANYONE COULD JUST WALK IN AND THERE'S A CHECK-IN DESK AND RIGHT.

AND THAT AREA'S OPEN.

SO IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A, UH, A VESTIBULE.

AND THAT WILL BE LOCKED.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN, WRITER.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A QR CODE OR WHATEVER APP YOU'RE USING.

SO, BUT THE FRONT DOOR WILL POTENTIALLY NOT BE LOCKED SO PEOPLE CAN WALK IN AND OUT.

CORRECT.

THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ACCESS TO GET PAST THE GATE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MS. ER, NO CARDS.

MAYOR, ANYBODY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN, WRITER, MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

SECOND,

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SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SEVEN TO ZERO.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, LIKE DISCUSSION, UH, UH, DO WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION BEFORE WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? SURE.

I HAVE A THING OR TWO TO SAY.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

I DID TOO, BUT GO AHEAD.

YEAH, NO, I, I I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

UH, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRITS.

THIS SEEMS, UH, YOUR INVESTMENT IN RICHARDSON.

I THINK IT'S AMAZING.

IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING FOR THE, THE LOCKWOOD DISTRICT.

UM, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK ABOUT SAFETY.

I THINK THAT YOU PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS PARAMOUNT IN THE BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR TAKING THE FEEDBACK.

BUT I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

AND JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN RICHARDSON AND BEING SO CREATIVE AND IN THE PLACE THAT YOU'RE DOING IT.

IT IS A VERY NEIGHBORHOOD, FAMILY ORIENTED DISTRICT IN OUR CITY.

AND SO I THINK THIS IS A REALLY SMART THING TO PUT THERE.

SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION AFTER DISCUSSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER BIAS.

YEAH, I WAS, IN ALL HONESTY, I WAS COMING IN TODAY.

UH, WHEN I, WHEN I READ THIS, MY CONCERNS WERE AROUND SAFETY AND I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, SHOULD I MENTION MAYBE THE POSSIBILITY OF REQUIRING PARENTS TO STAY ON? THEN AS I THOUGHT FURTHER ABOUT THIS THROUGH, THROUGH THIS, UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF, WOULD NOT ALLOW THE BUSINESS FLEXIBILITY IF YOU REQUIRED EVERY PARENT, PARENT TO STAY THERE.

UH, SO I'M NOT GONNA BRING THAT UP, BUT I AGREE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS IDEA.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT.

UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH NEEDED IN RICHARDSON, A COUNCIL AND INJUSTICE MENTIONED.

I THINK SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A FASCINATING AREA, AN AREA THAT, UM, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL PRO PROVIDE A LOT OF SUPPORT IF THE SAFETY IS THERE.

AND I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL STAND BEHIND YOU AND THE CITY WILL, UH, I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WILL GIVE YOU LOTS OF GREAT SUPPORT IF THE SAFETY IS THERE.

UH, SO I JUST, I KNOW, I'M SURE THAT'S AT THE TOP OF YOUR MIND.

IT IS.

WE ALL, WE ALL LOVE THE KIDS AND WE ALL THINK ABOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT JUST, UH, IF YOU CAN JUST KEEP THOSE, YOU KNOW, PROXIMITY TO DOORS WHERE THE CHECK-IN DESK IS, LINES OF SIGHT, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS, YOU OBVIOUSLY ALREADY THOUGHT THROUGH SOME OF THE ACCESS PARTS, UM, AND PROBABLY MANY THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF.

UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, AGAIN, THANK YOU.

GREAT IDEA.

AND THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN, BUT I, I, I SUPPORT THIS AS WELL.

UM, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND, BUT WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE NAME GETS 10 EXTRA POINTS, SO GREAT JOB.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, YOU HAD A MOTION? YEAH, I AM MAYOR.

I MOVED TO APPROVE ZONING FILE 26 DASH ZERO ONE AND ADOPT THE ACCOMPANYING ORDINANCE AS PUBLISHED COUNCIL MEMBER AINE.

I SECONDED.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER AINE.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SEVEN ZERO GO FORTH AND, UH, DO GREAT THINGS.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

CAN I ASK ONE THING? YES, MR. MAYOR, DO YOU, COULD WE GET A PICTURE WITH THE KIDS? THEY WERE LIKE SO EXCITED AND I SAID WE WERE COMING HERE TO TALK TO THE MAYOR.

OH.

UH, IS THAT POSSIBLE? I THINK, UH, IT'S POSSIBLE, YES.

OH, THAT'LL BE SO GREAT.

DO YOU GUYS WANNA JOIN US? LET'S DO A GROUP LETTER.

SORRY, DO A WHOLE OH, THAT WOULD BE SO, SO COME.

SHOULD OUR EYES.

I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE, YEAH, I I WAS GONNA SAY THAT IS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE A FIRST, AT LEAST IN MY YEARS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND NOW AS MAYOR, I, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE THAT, BUT IT FEELS LIKE SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO EVERY TIME SOMEONE PASSES.

ONLY IF THEY'RE CUTE KIDS WITH THEM.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER 10 AND THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON

[11. CONSIDER A REQUEST BY THE RICHARDSON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL OF A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT AS ESTABLISHED UNDER ARTICLE XXIII-A OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR A PORTABLE BUILDING TO HOUSE CLASSROOM ACTIVITIES LOCATED AT 2100 COPPER RIDGE DRIVE. ]

TO ACTION ITEM.

UH, UH, DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

UNDER ARTICLE, UH, 23 A OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR A PORTABLE BUILDING TO HOUSE CLASSROOM ACTIVITIES LOCATED AT 2100 COOPER RIDGE DRIVE.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER A REQUEST BY THE RICHARDSON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR APPROVAL OF A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT AS ESTABLISHED

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RENOVATIONS ARE COMPLETED.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

ERIN ZILLS, OUR PLANNER, TOO IS GONNA LEAD THIS BRIEFING AND YOU WERE, UM, SPOT ON THERE.

MAYOR, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, HOWEVER, UH, AFTER MR. ZILLS PRESENTS AND, UH, RSD SHARES ANY FEEDBACK, IT WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU WANNA ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS, THAT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE.

UM, AND THEN, UM, THERE'S, UH, NO CLOSING OF A PUBLIC HEARING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YOU'LL JUST TAKE YOUR ACTION.

WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU, AARON.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, THANK YOU COUNSEL.

UH, TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT FOR CANYON CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, ADDRESSED AT 2100, UH, COPPER, UH, RIDGE DRIVE.

SO FIRST WE'LL DO A QUICK REFRESHER ON WHAT A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT IS AND WHERE IT COMES FROM.

AS THE LAST ONE THAT WE DID, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL WAS IN 2017, UH, ARTICLE 23 A OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AUTHORIZES THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT, UH, FOR NONPROFITS, CHARITABLE OR PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS FOR A PERIOD OF NO GREATER THAN TWO YEARS.

UH, UNLIKE OTHER ITEMS, UH, PART THAT ARE PART OF ZONING, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, TEMPORARY USE PERMITS DO NOT GO THROUGH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND GO STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR, FOR ULTIMATE DECISION ON TOP OF, UH, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE ZONING SUCH AS SETBACKS.

UH, THE TEMPORARY USE SECTION ALSO HAS ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS SUCH AS MAXIMUM NUMBER, HEIGHT AND LOCATION OF TEMPORARY PORTABLE BUILDINGS.

UH, HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, AERIAL OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN YELLOW, AGAIN, ADDRESSED AT 2100 COPPER RIDGE DRIVE.

SO THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS FROM, UH, RICHMOND, UH, INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THEY ARE REQUESTING THE ALLOWANCE OF A SINGLE 24 BY, UH, 60 FOOT TEMPORARY PORTABLE BUILDING.

UH, THE INTENT TO HAVE THAT PORTABLE BUILDING ONSITE FROM JUNE OF THIS YEAR UNTIL JUNE OF 2028.

UH, THEY RICHARDSON, ISD NEEDS, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS AT CANYON CREEK ELEMENTARY.

UH, THE TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD REQUEST COINCIDES WITH THE RENOVATIONS, UH, THAT WILL BE GOING ON AT RICHARDSON NORTH MIDDLE SCHOOL WHEN RICHARD RICHARDSON, NORTH MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THE SIXTH GRADERS FROM THE CANYON CREEK ELEMENTARY WILL TRANSFER TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IN FALL OF 2028, AND THE TEMPORARY PORTABLE BUILDING WILL THEN BE REMOVED.

ADDITIONALLY, RICHARDSON, ISD WILL IN INSTALL SIX FOOT SECURITY FENCE AND OTHER, UH, SAFETY, UH, FEATURES.

AND THEY'LL ALSO BE INSTALLING AN ACCESSIBILITY RAMP, UM, FOR THOSE, FOR THAT PORTABLE.

SO HERE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN.

UH, THE PORTABLE BUILDING IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN RED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TUCKED BEHIND THE EXISTING WING OF THE, UH, GYMNASIUM AND THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREA IN BLUE IS THE, IS THE RAMP AND IN GREEN, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, ARE THE, UH, OFFENSE AND, AND GATES.

UH, SO THE REQUEST TONIGHT, THE COUNCIL MAY APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST.

SHOULD THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS PRESENTED, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

UH, THE FIRST BEING THE TEMPORARY PORTABLE BUILDING SHALL NOT BE PLACED ON SITE PRIOR TO JUNE 1ST OF THIS YEAR, AND IT SHALL BE VALID FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS AND SHALL COMMENCE UPON THE COMPLETION OF THE FINAL BUILDING INSPECTION AND APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OR THE, OR THEIR DESIGNEE.

AND FINALLY, THE, UH, TEMPORARY PORTABLE BUILDING AND FENCING SHALL COMPLY WITH THE, UH, BEING SUBSTANTIAL PERFORMANCE, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AS PRESENTED.

I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM AND WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE TONIGHT, LEE ESTES, FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF? ALRIGHT, IF WE HAVE OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT RES PERSON HERE, WE'LL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD OR NO? UM, JUST, MY NAME IS LEE ESTES.

I'M AT 1 1 2 3 SOUTH GREENVILLE AVENUE.

UM, WE ARE ASKING THIS REQUEST AS AARON NOTED AS A TEMPORARY CONDITION AS PART OF OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL TRANSFORMATION, UM, TO BE COMPLETE IN AUGUST OF 2028.

WONDERFUL.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING, IF THERE ARE ANY PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, HAPPY TO TAKE 'EM.

ALRIGHT, IF YOU'LL HAVE A SEAT, I DON'T, I WILL PROBABLY CALL YOU UP IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I SUSPECT WE MAY NOT.

MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RUTTER.

MAYOR, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE WILDFLOWER ARTS AND MUSIC FESTIVAL PLANNING UPDATE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT AS ESTABLISHED WITH THE STIPULATIONS AS NOTED.

ALRIGHT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER INE SECONDED.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO

[12. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE WILDFLOWER! ARTS & MUSIC FESTIVAL PLANNING UPDATE]

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MR. MAGNA? UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

MAYOR COUNCIL.

UM, WE HAVE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR, UH, PARSON RECREATION DEPARTMENT, OUR DIRECTOR OF UNAL, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SPENCER DOYLE, AND THEN OUR, UH, SUPERINTENDENT OF COMMUNITY EVENTS, UH, DIANA LAWRENCE.

UM, THIS IS, UH, THE SECOND OF, UH, THREE BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR YOU.

IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN OCTOBER, UH, DIANA SHARED, UH, A PREVIEW OF SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING FOR 2026.

WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS, UH, IN ADDITION TO JUST SORT REFRESHING THOSE AS WE NEAR JUST ABOUT SIX WEEKS OR SO FROM, UH, ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS OR SO, SORRY, UH, FROM THE, UH, FESTIVAL, WE'D LIKE TO ALSO, UH, BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, SEVERAL IMPORTANT TRENDS AND THEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WE, UH, NOTED WE WERE GONNA CONDUCT BACK IN OCTOBER.

UH, ALL OF THIS, UH, TO REALLY KIND OF, UH, HEIGHTEN YOUR SENSITIVITY AROUND THESE TRENDS AS YOU ATTEND WILDFIRE 2026, SO THAT YOU TOO CAN OBSERVE, UH, SOME OF THE, UM, BOTH OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE, UH, AND, UH, MANAGING, UH, THIS FESTIVAL, UH, IN THIS, UH, CURRENT ENVIRONMENT.

AND SO, UM, HAPPY TO, UH, TAKE ANY, UH, FEEDBACK AS WE, UH, CONCLUDE THE, AGAIN, THE SECOND OF THREE IMPORTANT BRIEFINGS.

BUT, UM, OUR PLAN WOULD BE, UH, TO REVISIT, UH, WITH YOU, UH, ONCE MORE SUBSEQUENT TO, UH, THE FESTIVAL, UM, HERE IN 2026.

AND THEN TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE MIGHT PROCEED, UH, MOVING FORWARD.

SO, UH, YVONNE, UH, AND TO THE WHOLE TEAM, THANKS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU DON AND THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UM, AS DAWN MENTIONED, WE WILL BE DISCUSS OR DISCUSSING THE WILDFLOWER ARTS AND MUSIC FESTIVAL.

OUR PURPOSE TODAY IS REALLY TO REVIEW THAT CURRENT ENVIRONMENT OF THE WILDFLOWER ARTS AND MUSIC FESTIVAL TO INFORM AND INITIATE FURTHER DIALOGUE ON THE FESTIVAL IT'S FUTURE GUIDANCE AND STRATEGIC DIRECTION.

SO THE OVERVIEW THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT ON THE PRESENTATION IS WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON OUR NEXT STEPS THAT WE HAD SHARED IN THAT OCTOBER PRESENTATION THAT DIANA PRESENTED.

UH, WE WILL ALSO GO THROUGH THE 2026 ENHANCEMENTS TO GIVE YOU THAT REMINDER.

WE'LL SHARE THE COMMUNITY SURVEY RESULTS AS WELL AS FESTIVAL CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN WE WILL SHARE DATA, WHICH INCLUDES OUR ATTENDANCE AND BUDGET HISTORIES.

AND THEN FROM THERE WE'LL GO OVER OUR NEXT STEPS.

SO FROM THE OCTOBER, 2025 PRESENTATION, UM, A REMINDER OF THOSE NEXT STEPS THAT WE CONCLUDED WITH THAT INCLUDED, UM, BASICALLY A STATUS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GIVE YOU A STATUS OF WHAT THOSE STEPS WERE.

WE SHARED WITH YOU THAT WE WOULD LAUNCH A COMPREHENSIVE CITYWIDE, UH, SURVEY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN JANUARY.

WE HAD 1,885 RESPONSES FROM THAT SURVEY.

WE WILL ALSO, UH, SHARE DATA OVERVIEW TONIGHT FROM THAT SURVEY.

ADDITIONALLY, WE MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD GATHER OPERATIONAL INSIGHTS FROM SURROUNDING FESTIVALS.

WE'D UTILIZE THAT INFORMATION ALONG WITH THE DATA FROM 2026 FESTIVAL RESULTS, AND WE WOULD DEVELOP A STRATEGIC PLAN TO IMPROVE THE FESTIVAL EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS IMPROVE THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN THAT WE WOULD COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEFINE THE FUTURE VISION FOR THE WILDFLOWER ARTS AND MUSIC FESTIVAL.

SO THOSE LAST THREE BULLET POINTS ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE WILL BRING FORWARD TO YOU IN JUNE .

AND THEN AS A REMINDER FOR THE 2026 ENHANCEMENTS, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT DIANA DID SHARE IN OCTOBER.

UM, BUT WE WILL START WITH THE CHILDREN'S AREA.

ONE OF THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE HAD SHARED WAS TAKING THE CHILDREN'S AREA AND REFOCUSING OUR EFFORT FROM CHILDREN TO FAMILIES.

UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOTICED AND WE'VE HEARD FEEDBACK ON.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS MAKE THESE ATTRACTIONS HAVE A WIDER, UH, RANGE OF AUDIENCES THAT THEY WILL ATTRACT.

UH, POTENTIALLY THESE ARE GONNA BE ACTIVITIES THAT MORE TEENS ARE GONNA WANNA ENGAGE WITH AND PARENTS WILL ENGAGE WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR CHILDREN THROUGHOUT THE FESTIVAL.

THIS AREA WILL BE CALLED THE GROVE.

WE'LL STILL HAVE SOME OF OUR FAVORITE ITEMS COMING BACK TO THIS.

SO YOU WILL STILL STILL SEE THE ROCK STAR HAIRDO AND THE FACE PAINTING THAT WILL JUST BE EXPANDED.

WE'LL CONTINUE WITH ARTS AND CRAFTS AND THE KARAOKE STATION WE WILL BRING BACK THIS YEAR, THE COMMUNITY MURAL, UH, THAT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS LAST YEAR, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT BACK.

BUT WE WILL BE ADDING THE SILENT DISCO AND THE RETRO ARCADE.

AND THE RETRO ARCADE WILL BE LOCATED INSIDE THE EISMAN CENTER.

ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS ARE WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT.

UM, WE WILL BE ADJUSTING THE TIMES BETWEEN THE HEADLINERS ON THE TWO MAIN STAGES.

SO INSTEAD OF A 30 MINUTE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE HEADLINING ACTS OF THOSE TWO STAGES,

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IT WILL NOW BE A 45 MINUTE SEPARATION.

SO AS A REMINDER, IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THE PLAZA STAGE WAS THE FINAL STAGE WITH THE HEADLINING SHOW.

SO I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR ON TIMING AND WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS YEAR WITH THAT SAME COMPARISON.

SO IN 2025, AN EXAMPLE OF OUR, OUR STAGE HEADLINER TIMES, THE METHODIST BAND, UH, STAGE WOULD COME ON AT 9 45 AND THE TEXAN STAGE BAND WOULD FOLLOW UP AT 10 15 THIS YEAR.

WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THE PLAZA STAGE STARTING AT NINE 30 AND THEN THE METHODIST STAGE STARTING AT 10 15.

SO THAT 45 MINUTE GAP, THAT SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE ENTERTAINMENT, UM, START POINTS THAT WILL ALLOW AUDIENCES TO SPEND MORE TIME AT A STAGE TO WATCH THAT BAND BEFORE THEY TRANSITION TO THE NEXT STAGE.

IF THEY CHOOSE TO TRANSITION ADDITIONALLY, THAT WILL POTENTIALLY INCREASE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE TWO STAGES.

UM, AND WITH THAT, THAT WILL BE A DIRECT BENEFIT TO OUR VENDORS ALONG THAT PATH.

SO THERE'S INCREASED BENEFIT FOR THE PARTICIPANTS AS WELL AS THE, THE VENDORS IN THAT, THAT CHANGE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE THE HILL HALL PERFORMANCE AREA.

UH, AS WE HAD MENTIONED LAST TIME, WE WOULD REDUCE THE FRIDAY PERFORMANCE.

THAT IS SUCH A CONS, UH, CONSTRAINED TIME THAT WHEN THE FESTIVAL STARTS AS TO ACTIVITIES THAT PARTICIPANTS HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

WE SEE THAT THAT FRIDAY NIGHT HILL HALL PERFORMANCE IS VERY LIGHTLY ATTENDED.

SO BY REDUCING THAT ATTENDANCE, WE ARE ACTUALLY CONDENSING AND GIVING MORE OF A CONCENTRATION TO THE AUDIENCE FOR THE OTHER SHOW TIMES, WHICH WILL BE ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

IT ALSO ALLOWS THE FREEDOM FOR THEM TO EXPLORE THE REST OF THE FESTIVAL SITE.

AND THEN WE'LL BE MOVING THE SINGER SONGWRITER SONG SWAP TO SATURDAY.

THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY HELD ON SUNDAY.

THIS IS GONNA ALLOW FOR A REDUCTION IN THE COST OF ENTERTAINMENT ON SATURDAY, AS WELL AS REDUCTION TO THE TRANSPORTATION EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH OUR SINGER SONGWRITER FINALIST.

UM, AND THEN ON SUNDAY WE HAD SHARED THAT WE WOULD ADJUST THE GENRE OF MUSIC FOR THE METHODIST STAGE.

AFTER WE GOT DONE BOOKING OUR ENTERTAINMENT FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND DECIDED A NATIONAL KNOWN COVER PARTY BAND WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION TO TRY TO BRING IN MORE PEOPLE AND TO HAVE THAT FUN ENGAGING, ENERGETIC PERFORMANCE.

AND THEN BATTLE OF THE BANDS WE HELD HOLD THE FINALIST COMPETITION OF THE BATTLE OF THE BANDS ON SUNDAY PRE COVID.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HELD ON THE PLAZA STAGE.

WHEN WE CAME BACK AFTER COVID, OF COURSE, WE DID NOT HAVE THE PLAZA STAGE FOR TWO YEARS, SO WE BROUGHT THAT BACK ON THE METHODIST STAGE.

THIS YEAR WE WILL MOVE IT BACK TO THE PLAZA STAGE.

THE INTENTION BEHIND THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, A MORE CONDENSED AREA SO IT FEELS LIKE A BIGGER AUDIENCE FOR THE, THE STUDENTS WHO ARE PERFORMING.

BUT ALSO WE ARE GONNA BRING BACK THE FAN VOTING SEGMENT OF THIS.

SO WITH THAT, THAT WILL ENCOURAGE THE BANDS WHO ARE PERFORMING THE THREE FINALISTS TO ENCOURAGE THEIR, UM, GUESTS AND THEIR SPECTATORS, THEIR, THEIR FANS, IF YOU WILL, TO COME BACK AND BE A LARGER AUDIENCE FOR US ON THAT DAY AS WELL.

OKAY, ANOTHER CHANGE AREA THAT WE CHANGED WAS THE TICKETING AREA.

SO WE'VE REVISED THE THREE DAY VIP FESTIVAL PACKAGE FROM A TWO PERSON PACK TO A ONE PERSON PACK.

THIS WAS TRULY AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE.

UM, OUR SOFTWARE THAT WE USE FOR TICKETING DID NOT TRANSLATE WHEN WE WENT FROM THE ONE DAY TO THE HAVING THE THREE DAY PACK TO ADDING THE ONE DAY PACK.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING, THIS WAS MORE ADMINISTRATIVE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF THOSE TICKET SALES AND ENSURE THAT THERE WERE NO MISTAKES IN THE PROCESS.

WE ALSO DECIDED THAT FOR SUNDAY, THERE WOULD NOT BE A CHARGE FOR GENERAL ADMISSION.

THIS WAS REALLY TO ENCOURAGE THAT ATTENDANCE AND TO INCREASE POTENTIAL OF PEOPLE COMING ON SUNDAY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WAS A LOW ATTENDED DAY.

AND WITH THAT CHANGE, WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT THE THREE DAY GENERAL MISSION PACKAGE, UH, AND REDUCE THAT COST TO REFLECT THE SUNDAY AS A FREE DAY.

AND THEN FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT, WE ARE REALLY GONNA FOCUS THIS YEAR ON INCREASING STAFF-LED INITIATIVES.

SO ANY AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC, OUR STAFF WILL TAKE THAT AND WE'RE GONNA EXPAND THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO THOSE SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS TO ENCOURAGE TICKET SALES AND JUST SHARE THAT AWARENESS OF WHAT WILDFLOWER IS AND WHEN IT'S COMING UP.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE.

THAT COMMITTEE IS IN CHARGE OF VARIOUS PRE FESTIVAL EVENTS, AND THEY DO ADVERTISEMENT FOR THEIR EVENTS.

THEY SHARE THAT, THEY SPREAD THE WORD OF IT, BUT WE ARE

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REALLY ENCOURAGING THEM TO SHARE THE ENTIRE FESTIVAL, NOT JUST THEIR PRE FESTIVAL EVENT.

UM, THAT TEAM IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT DOING THAT NOW, BUT WE'RE REALLY BEING INTENTIONAL TO ENCOURAGE THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN WE ARE ADJUSTING AND INCREASING OUR MARKETING EFFORTS, UM, ON A DIFFERENT REGIONAL LEVEL.

SO CURRENTLY WE ADVERTISE TO SAN ANTONIO, HOUSTON, AND AUSTIN MARKETS.

WE ARE GONNA EXPAND THAT TO THE OKLAHOMA AND TEXARKANA AREA AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN OKLAHOMA AND RICHARDSON.

SO THAT WILL ALL BE RADIO MARKETING.

UM, SO SURROUNDING AREAS ENCOURAGING THOSE TICKET SALES.

WE DO SEE CURRENTLY THAT WE HAVE TICKET SALES FROM THAT MARKET ALREADY.

SO WE FEEL LIKE ENHANCING THAT MARKETING EFFORT WILL BRING IN MORE PEOPLE.

SO THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE CHANGES THAT WE SHARED WITH YOU AT THE OCTOBER, UM, PRESENTATION.

NOW I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ATTENDANCE DATA AND THIS CHART, THERE'S A LOT TO IT.

SO LET ME EXPLAIN THIS.

UM, THE CHART SHOWS OUR ATTENDANCE HISTORY FROM 2018 THROUGH 2025.

SO I WANT IT TO REALLY POINT OUT OUR PRE COVID NUMBER AS WELL AS OUR POST COVID NUMBERS.

AND THIS ALSO REFLECTS ALL THE WEATHER IMPACTS THAT WE HAVE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT AT THE BOTTOM, UM, AS WELL.

IN 22 AND 23, WE DID NOT HAVE THE PLAZA STAGE.

SO THOSE ARE ALL DIRECT IMPACTS ON WHAT OUR ATTENDANCE RECORDS SHOW.

THIS CHART SHOWS OUR TICKET SOLD, OUR TICKET SCANNED, AND THEN OUR TOTAL ATTENDANCE.

AND THE REASON THIS MATTERS IS WE HAVE TICKETS THAT ARE SOLD THAT IS A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE REVENUE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TICKETS THAT ARE GIVEN AWAY THROUGH OUR SPONSORSHIP PACKAGES AS WELL AS WITH OUR VOLUNTEERS.

UM, AND THEN FOR PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES AND FOR PROMOTIONAL EVENTS.

SO THOSE TICKETS SOLD DO NOT REFLECT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TICKETS OUT IN THE PUBLIC.

SO THAT IS WHY YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER OF TICKETS SOLD VERSUS THE NUMBER OF TICKETS SCANNED VARY FROM FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

SO THE TICKETS SCANNED ARE THE ACTUAL TICKETS THAT HAVE BEEN REDEEMED, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACTUALLY COME THROUGH THE GATE WITH A TICKET.

A FEW THINGS TO POINT OUT IS OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE ADJUSTED OUR PROCESSES AND FINE TUNED BASED ON METHODS THAT WE HAVE AND, UH, TECHNOLOGY AND SOFTWARE.

SO FOR INSTANCE, OUR VIP CHECK-IN AND 2018, THE VIPS COULD COME IN EITHER WITH A TICKET OR A WRISTBAND.

THE WRISTBANDS WERE NOT SCANNABLE AT THAT POINT.

SO IF THEY DID NOT SCAN A TICKET, WE DID NOT HAVE AN ACCURATE HEADCOUNT FOR THAT.

AS OF 2024, WE INTRODUCED THE WRISTBANDS THAT WERE SCANNABLE.

SO EVERY PERSON THAT COMES IN FOR THE VIP AREA IS BEING SCANNED.

SO OUR TOTAL ATTENDANCE NUMBERS ARE MORE ACCURATE FROM THAT.

UM, IN ADDITION, TOTAL ATTENDANCE ALSO ACCOUNTS FOR STAFF VENDORS.

AND WHEN I SAY VENDORS, THAT'S MORE OF YOUR MARKETPLACE VENDORS, YOUR, UM, FOOD VENDORS, EXHIBITORS.

SO THAT ACCOUNTS FOR ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS ANY PROPERTY PARTNERS, ANYBODY WHO HOLDS A CREDENTIAL TO GET IN.

AND THOSE ARE ESTIMATE NUMBERS THAT WE TAKE BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH AND HOW MANY WE'VE GIVEN OUT FOR THOSE CREDENTIALS.

AND THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH OUR TOTAL ATTENDANCE NUMBERS.

I DO WANNA POINT OUT TOO, WE ONLY HAD TWO YEARS WITHOUT A WEATHER EVENT.

SO 2018 AND 2024, YOU'LL NOTE THAT 2018 WAS OUR BEST YEAR ON RECORD FOR TICKETS SOLD, TICKETS SCANNED, AND ATTENDANCE AS WELL AS REVENUE FOLLOWED BY 2024.

SO WEATHER DOES HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON WHAT WE DO.

SO AS I MENTIONED WITH THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, WE ARE GONNA DIVE INTO THAT.

UM, OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY WAS LAUNCHED EARLY JANUARY.

IT RAN FOR THREE WEEKS.

WE HAD OVER 1800, UH, RESPONSES WITH THAT.

IT WAS AN ONLINE SURVEY, WHICH GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE OF A, A BROAD PARTICIPATION OF THE SURVEY RESULTS.

AND I WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT 60% OF THE SURVEY PARTICIPANTS WERE NON-RESIDENTS.

THIS SHOWS THAT OUR FESTIVAL IS LOCAL AND REGIONAL.

UM, WE DID NOT ASK WHERE THE SURVEY RECIPIENTS OR RESPONDENTS WERE COMING FROM, JUST WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE A RESIDENT OR NOT.

SO 60% WERE NON-RESIDENTS.

WE ALSO HAD A VERY RIGHT WIDE RANGE GENERATIONAL RANGE FOR THE AUDIENCE.

SO 25 TO 64 YEAR OLDS REALLY MADE UP THE, THE BIGGEST PIECE OF WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY.

UM, AND THE WAY WE SET THIS UP IS THERE WAS A NINE YEAR BREAK IN THE RANGE.

SO 25 TO 34 YEAR OLDS.

THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF AN OPTION THAT PEOPLE HAD TO SELECT FROM.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE AUDIENCE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY, THE HIGHEST RESPONSE CAME FROM 55 TO 64 YEAR OLDS WITH THE ALMOST EQUAL RESPONSE FOR THE 35 TO 44-YEAR-OLD

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AGE GROUP AND THE 45 TO 54-YEAR-OLD AGE GROUP.

UM, OUR LOWEST RESPONSE WAS UNDER 24.

AND SO I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE SURVEY WAS NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO WENT TO WILDFLOWER, BUT PEOPLE WHO HAD AN INTEREST IN FESTIVALS.

'CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GATHER A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION FROM THIS.

SO WE HAD 195 SURVEY TAKERS WHO HAD NEVER ATTENDED THE EVENT.

AND OUT OF THAT WE HAD 77 WHO DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WILDFLOWER.

SO THIS WAS ALSO AN OUTREACH EFFORT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

SO I WANTED TO START WITH SATISFAC SATISFACTION RATES FOR THE FESTIVAL.

UH, YOU WILL NOTICE ON THIS SLIDE THAT ALL OF OUR CATEGORIES, WE RECEIVED A FOUR OR HIGHER.

IT WAS A FIVE POINT SCALE EXCEPT FOR ONE AREA.

AND THAT ONE AREA WAS FOR THE, UH, PERFORMANCE OPTIONS.

AND WE RECEIVED A 3.97 RATING.

UM, NOW I WILL SHARE THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL SPOTS WHERE THERE WERE OPEN-ENDED RESPONSES, AND THE SENTIMENT OVERALL FOR THE SATISFACTION OF THE FESTIVAL WAS OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.

NEXT, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE DAYS AND TIMES OF THE FESTIVAL OR OF FESTIVALS IN GENERAL, I SHOULD SAY.

SO WHEN WE ASKED THE RESPONDENTS WHICH DAYS THEY WOULD ATTEND, UM, AND HOW THEY WANTED TO DO THIS, AND THIS WAS A SITUATION WHERE WE GAVE THEM THE OPTION, YOU COULD SELECT ALL THREE OR YOU COULD SELECT ONE OR TWO.

UM, BUT WHEN WE ASK WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO A FESTIVAL, WHAT DAYS WOULD YOU ATTEND? SATURDAY WAS THE BIGGEST DAY, FOLLOWED BY FRIDAY WITH SUNDAY AS THE LOWEST ATTENDED OPTION FOR PEOPLE.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, AND I WILL SAY TOO, THAT CORRESPONDS WITH OUR TICKET SALES AND OUR TICKETS SCANNED AS WELL.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT ARRIVAL TIMES, WHEN ASKED WHAT TIME WOULD YOU GENERALLY GO TO A FESTIVAL, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SPECIFIC TO WILDFLOWER, BUT ANY FESTIVAL, THREE TO 5:00 PM WAS THE THE TIME THAT PEOPLE IN GENERAL SELECTED.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A PRETTY WIDESPREAD ON THAT.

OBVIOUSLY AFTER 7:00 PM MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT WANTING TO COME TO THE EVENT OR STEP OUT AT THAT POINT.

WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT REASONS FOR NOT ATTENDING A FESTIVAL, 22% SAID THEY WOULD NOT ATTEND A FESTIVAL IF IT DID NOT COORDINATE WITH THEIR SCHEDULE OR THEY HAD CONFLICTS.

OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A, A BIG REASON FOR PEOPLE NOT TO COME.

ADDITIONAL RESPONSES SHARED THAT THEY WOULD NOT ATTEND A FESTIVAL IF THE MUSIC DID NOT LINE UP WITH THEIR INTEREST IF IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT EXCITED 'EM ESSENTIALLY.

AND THEN WHEN ASKED WHAT WOULD INCREASE YOUR LIKELIHOOD OF ATTENDING A FESTIVAL, WE HEARD, UH, BETTER BANS AND BIGGER HEADLINERS.

WE ALSO ASKED ABOUT TICKET PRICE TOLERANCE.

SO WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER A REASONABLE PRICE? AND FROM THIS SLIDE, WHAT WE SAW IS 59% SAID 20 TO $30 PER DAY WAS A REASONABLE PRICE.

NEXT WAS 30 TO $40 AT 20, ALMOST 29%.

AND THEN FROM THERE, IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT WAS TOO HIGH FOR A FESTIVAL ATTENDEE.

AND THEN WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT TOP ATTRACTIONS WITH THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION, WE ASKED, WHAT ARE THE THREE TOP ATTRACTIONS THAT WOULD DRIVE YOU TO ATTEND A FESTIVAL? WHAT CAME OUT OF THIS IS LIVE MUSIC, 96% MARKETPLACE AND EXHIBITORS AT 51%.

AND THEN THE FOOD COURT OR FOOD EXPERIENCE.

AND FOR THE DESIRED MUSIC, UH, GENRES, ESSENTIALLY 82% SELECTED ROCK FOLLOWED BY POP.

AND THEN THE OTHER CATEGORIES WERE PRETTY EVENLY DIVIDED.

NOW, I WILL SAY THAT THIS WAS A QUESTION OF SELECT ALL THAT APPLY.

SO THERE WASN'T A LIMIT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD SELECT.

I WILL SHARE WITH YOU FOR THE OTHER CATEGORY, UM, WE HAD 233 COMMENTS THAT WERE SHARED.

AND THE MOST REPEATED GENRES FROM THAT INCLUDED ALTERNATIVE ROCK, INDIE ROCK AND POP FOLK AND JAZZ MUSIC.

SO THOSE WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT CAME FROM THE SURVEY.

WE FEEL VERY, UM, HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS.

WE FELT LIKE THEY WERE INSIGHTFUL.

SOME OF THEM JUST RECONFIRMED THINGS THAT WE, WE FELT LIKE WE ALREADY KNEW AS WELL.

UH, BUT NOW GOING INTO FESTIVAL CHALLENGES, THIS IS THE PART THAT OUR STAFF WORKED THROUGH EVERY YEAR, AND WE DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVENT COMES OFF SMOOTHLY.

UM, SO THIS IS CHALLENGES THAT IMPACT OUR SETUP AND OUR IMPLEMENTATION.

UM, AND JUST A FEW NOTES ON THIS.

SO SITE LOGISTICS AND RESTRAINTS.

SO WITH ALL THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE SEEING MOVING INTO THE GALLATIN AREA, WE ARE SEEING ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THE WINDOWS OF TIME THAT WE HAVE FOR SETUP AND TEAR DOWN.

UM,

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THIS IS CREATING THE EXECUTION OF THE EVENT TO BECOME EVER CHALLENGING FOR US.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH AND HAVE CONTINUED TO DO.

SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND YOU'LL HEAR THIS SENTIMENT AGAIN, BUT DFW MARKETPLACE IS EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO BOOKING BANDS, IT'S EVEN WORSE.

SO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DFW MARKETPLACE FOR, FOR BOOKING BANDS, WHAT WE SEE THAT BECAUSE OF HOW COMPETITIVE IT IS, BANS ARE ABLE TO CHARGE MORE FOR THEIR BOOKING FEES.

UM, THERE'S ALSO RADIUS, CLAUSE AND TIMEFRAMES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN.

UH, SOME OF THOSE TIMEFRAMES WILL LIMIT WHEN WE CAN ANNOUNCE BANS.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE TO USE CAUTION WHEN WE'RE BOOKING BANDS BECAUSE IF THEY'RE PLAYING AT ANOTHER FESTIVAL THREE TO SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO, THERE'S A CONCERN OF DOES ANYBODY WANNA COME SEE THEM AGAIN, IS THIS BAND GONNA ACTUALLY PULL PEOPLE IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN IN OUR MARKETPLACE OR IF THEY HAVE A LOT OF DATES COMING UP? SO WE, WE HAVE A LOT THAT WE HAVE TO WEIGH IN THAT, THAT CONCERN FRAME.

AND THEN WITH THE INCREASED STOREFRONTS, BECAUSE WE DO NOW HAVE TWO APARTMENTS THAT HAVE STOREFRONTS AT THE BASE, UM, THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VERY, UM, AWARE THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY AS THOSE BUSINESSES COME IN, RESTRICTING THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS THAT THEY CAN HAVE DURING THAT SETUP TIMEFRAME.

SO WE HAVE SEEN THAT AND WE'VE HEARD THAT FEEDBACK FROM, FROM ONE BUSINESS ALREADY.

UM, BUT KNOWING THAT THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE MORE BUSINESSES IN THE FUTURE, THAT IS A STEP THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY ALERT TO AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FINDING ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS SO WE DON'T IMPACT THEIR BUSINESS IN A NEGATIVE NEGATIVE WAY DURING THAT TIME.

AND THEN OVERTIME EXPENSES DUE TO DIFFERENT SALARY INCREASES THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, AS WELL AS THE ADDED TIME NEEDED FOR SETUP.

AND THAT SETUP TIME IS, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE CONDENSING THINGS, WE'RE HAVING TO WORK MORE OUTSIDE OF OPERATIONAL HOURS, WE ARE SEEING THAT COST INCREASE.

UM, THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED TO CONTROL IT, AND YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET SIDE OF THINGS.

BUT THAT IS A, AN ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN AS PART OF, UM, PRODUCING A FESTIVAL, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE SEEING IS THERE'S A INCREASE IN COST FOR, UM, SITE LOGISTICS, PRODUCTION, CATERING AND RENTALS.

AND THAT IS A, A FACTOR THAT'S REALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL.

THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PEOPLE THAT BRING IN THE LEVEL OF PRODUCTION THAT WE NEED OR THE HAVE THE QUANTITY OF ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO PUT ON AT FESTIVAL THIS MAGNITUDE.

SO THAT IS ANOTHER CHALLENGE FOR US.

AND THEN JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MARKET AND DFW IS SATURATED.

SO THERE ARE ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS THAT ARE OVERWHELMING OF COMPETITION IN THIS AREA, AND IT'S DRIVING CONSUMERS.

UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT YOU OFFER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NICHE THAT IS PULLING PEOPLE IN THAT CONSUMER TO BE ABLE TO COME TO YOU.

BUT WE'RE NOT JUST COMPETING WITH EVENTS AND FESTIVALS.

WE ARE COMPETING WITH, UM, FAMILY ACTIVITIES, EDUCATION, WORK, ACTIVITIES.

THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT FACTOR WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE SCHEDULED ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS WE HAVE A WILDFLOWER ON A WEEKEND THAT IS PRONE TO BE A CONFLICT WITH GRADUATIONS.

WE'VE SEEN THAT NUMEROUS TIMES.

UM, AND THEN SAFETY AND SECURITY, I'D BE REMISS TO NOT BRING THIS UP, BUT SAFETY AND SECURITY WITH OUR DEVELOPING CLIMATE AND THE GLOBAL SITUATIONS THAT WE ENCOUNTER.

ANYTIME WE SEE A CONCERN ARISE AT A DIFFERENT FESTIVAL ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, WE ARE SITTING DOWN WITH OUR POLICE DE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE ARE WE SAFE? HAVE WE GOT THIS ISSUE ADDRESSED? IS THERE ANYTHING MORE THAT WE NEED TO DO? SO THOSE ARE NEW, UM, ONGOING FESTIVAL CONCERNS THAT CAUSE US TO SIT DOWN AND, AND BASICALLY REFLECT ON HOW WE'RE DOING OUR BUSINESS BECAUSE OUR FIRST GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THE FESTIVAL IS SAFE.

UM, AND THEN FUN.

SO NOW GOING INTO BUDGET HISTORY, I WANTED TO SHARE A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF OUR PAST FOUR YEAR BUDGET RECORDS AS WELL AS OUR UPCOMING ESTIMATES.

SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS 2022 TO 2025 ACTUALS AS WELL AS I MENTIONED, THE 2026 ESTIMATES.

UM, YOU WILL NOTE IN THIS CHART THAT WE HAVE, UM, EXPENSES COMING FROM TWO SEPARATE FUNDS.

ONE IS OUR GENERAL FUND, THE OTHER ONE IS OUR HOTEL MOTEL FUNDS.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE OVERTIME ESTIMATES.

THE OVERTIME IS MANAGED BY EACH DEPARTMENT.

UH, WE HAVE GATHERED OUR OVERTIME ESTIMATES AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS THROUGH OUR PAYROLL SYSTEMS. UH, WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL CODING PROCESS, SO WE'RE ABLE TO PULL THOSE RECORDS.

AGAIN, IT'S ONLY AS GOOD AS THE CODING IS.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT.

FOR

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INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY HAS COMP TIME, UM, OR IF OVERTIME HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED YET TO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S BEGINNING OF THE PAYROLL, THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT WE HAVE TO MANUALLY, UM, WORK THROUGH AND, AND COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLID FIGURE.

UM, AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT REVENUE, WE'VE GOT EVENT REVENUE.

THE EVENT REVENUE COVERS, TICKETS, MERCHANDISE, AND THEN VENDOR FEES.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SPONSOR REVENUE.

AND THOSE TWO THINGS COMBINED TOGETHER IS WHERE WE GET OUR TOTAL REVENUE.

SO WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS A STEADY INCREASE SINCE 2022 AFTER COVID, THERE WAS AN INTENSE INCREASE IN EXPENSES SUCH AS CATERING AND SITE LOGISTICS AND PRODUCTION COST.

UM, REYNOLDS, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THE ENTERTAINMENT.

WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO CA CONTAIN THOSE COSTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BY REDUCING THINGS FROM BEHIND THE SCENES, UH, WITHOUT IMPACTING THE ACTUAL FESTIVAL ITSELF.

AND I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT 22 AND 23, THERE WAS NO PLUS PLAZA STAGE, WHICH MEANT THERE WAS NO EXPENSES OR ENTERTAINMENT EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND SO WHEN LOOKING AT OUR NET COST FOR WILDFLOWER, YOU'LL NOTICE THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN 1.7 A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FOR A SUBSIDY.

UM, AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT 20 26, 1 OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AS A STAFF, WE'VE LOOKED AT WAYS THAT WE CAN REDUCE OUR EXPENSES.

UM, SO THINGS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE LAST YEAR, WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THOSE EFFORTS.

WE ARE ALSO REDUCING SOME OF THE OVERTIME WE'VE LOOKED AT.

ARE THERE AREAS THAT WE ARE SPENDING TIME DURING THE SETUP PHASE THAT MAYBE ARE NOT NECESSARY? AND HOW CAN WE, UM, REDUCE THAT? SO THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE BUDGET.

UM, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE LAST YEAR THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH ARE REDUCING GOLF CARTS, BAND TRANSPORTATION PRODUCTION, GREEN ROOM EXPECTATIONS.

UM, AND SO OUR EVENT REVENUE, THAT'S OUR NEXT CATEGORY THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT ALL THE EFFORTS THAT DIANA'S TEAM PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVENT IS SUCCESSFUL.

WHEN IT COMES TO REVENUE PROJECTIONS, THIS IS ALL DEPENDENT ON NATURE.

UM, SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WEATHER DOES FOR US, DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT OUR REVENUE NUMBERS WILL BE, UH, WHERE WE HOPE AND PLAN.

SO WHEN WE PLAN OUR REVENUE NUMBERS, WE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WEATHER'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT WEEKEND, AND THAT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON US.

SO NEXT STEPS.

OUR NEXT STEP IS TO HOST THE WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL.

OF COURSE, IN MAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD INVITE EACH OF YOU TO DO IS TO PAY EXTRA ATTENTION TO THE FESTIVAL AND HOW THE PROCESSES ARE GOING.

UM, AND THEN AS THE FESTIVAL GOES ON, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AS WE BRING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU.

UM, AS WELL, IN MAY AND JUNE, WE WILL WORK ON CLOSING OUT OUR FINANCIAL NUMBERS FROM THE FESTIVAL.

WE'LL PULL TOGETHER OUR DATA AND OUR POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE EVERY EVENT IS A LESSON FOR US TO IMPROVE.

UM, AND THEN IN JUNE, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH, UM, ANOTHER PRESENTATION, ESSENTIALLY SHARING WITH YOU OUR 2026 FESTIVAL RESULTS, OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED LAST YEAR IN 25.

WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU THE OTHER FESTIVALS THAT WE HAVE BENCHMARKED, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO SHARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVING THE WILDFLOWER FINANCIAL SITUATION MOVING FORWARD IN LIGHT OF THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THAT WE ARE SEEING.

UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

DORIAN.

THE REASONS THAT WE ARE REDUCING CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE FEEL LIKE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE EVENT ITSELF.

YVONNE, THANK YOU, UH, FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

I KNOW THAT YOU AND YOUR YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, AND I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND, AND, AND YOU HIT ON A LOT OF THINGS.

UH, ESPECIALLY THE ONE WHERE THE KIDS AREA IS NOW INTEGRATED WITH FAMILY.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT DECISION, FIRST OF ALL, AND IT, IT CREATES A BETTER UTILIZATION OF THAT, OF THAT SPACE.

I'VE NOTICED THAT BEFORE.

I'VE SEEN IT DWINDLE OVER, UH, OVER THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, COUPLE ISH YEARS, BUT I THINK THAT'S GONNA CERTAINLY, UH, CREATE AN IMPACT.

UM, COUPLE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, I JUST WANNA GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON, UH, NOW THAT THERE'S MORE VENDORS MOVING IN THE AREA AND BUSINESSES, IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER TO SET UP, UH, DO YOU FIND THAT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP THE STREETS AND THE AREA CLOSED DOWN, UM, UH, AN EXTRA DAY OR TWO OR HOW, HOW YOU, HOW DO YOU SEE CHALLENGING THAT THE TIMEFRAME IS STILL GONNA MAINTAIN THE SAME? UM, WE JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE OVER CERTAIN SPACES AS SOON AS WE NORMALLY HAVE.

UH, SO THERE WILL BE A DELAY ON THAT, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES.

UM, BUT THE MAIN AREAS, WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE OVER.

AND OUR STAFF HAS ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON A PLAN OF HOW TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN OUR EFFORTS, WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF

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BUT THEY WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT OUR STAFF HAS TO TAKE TO SET UP FOR.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE US WORKING MORE EFFICIENTLY IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, BASICALLY.

, I SEE.

I I CAN, I CAN VISUALIZE THAT.

UM, MY OTHER, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT PROTECTING THE EXISTING VENDORS AND OR RESTAURANTS THAT ARE LOCAL AND ARE, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY SORT OF LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF COMPETITIVE FOOD VENDORS FOR LET'S JUST SAY A RESTAURANT OR SPECIFIC VENDORS? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA, BUT, UM, ARE YOU FOR, OR DO YOU FORESEE SORT OF LIMITING THAT, UM, OR MINIMIZING IT, OR HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO CREATE BUSINESS FOR THAT? SO, YEAH, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHAT I HAD MEANT TO SAY IS WE HAVE CERTAIN VENDORS WHO ARE WITHIN THE FESTIVAL SITES, AND WHEN WE'RE DOING SETUP, THAT IMPACTS HOW MANY CUSTOMERS CAN ACTUALLY COME TO THEIR LOCATION DURING THAT SETUP TIME.

DURING THE FESTIVAL TIME, THEY FIND THAT THE BUSINESS IS WELL, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR PATRONS THAT ARE COMING TO IT.

BUT THAT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY BEFORE THE FESTIVAL OPENS, IT RESTRICTS HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY COME IN.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE, THE CURRENT BUSINESS OWNER OF TRYING TO DEVELOP WAYS TO ALLOW A BETTER ACCESS FOR THEM.

BUT AS THAT INCREASES AND THERE'S MORE BUSINESSES IN THOSE STOREFRONTS, WE'RE GONNA BE VERY RESTRICTED ON HOW WE CAN DO THAT.

I, I, I AGREE.

AND THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S CHALLENGING ALSO.

WELL, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND EFFORT.

THANK YOU MAYOR YVONNE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, SLIDE 23, PLEASE.

WHERE IT MENTIONS, UH, EVENT REVENUE.

UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND TWO PARTS TO THIS QUESTION.

FIRST PART I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR REVENUES OR STREAMS ARE.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S TICKET SALES, BUT DO WE MAKE MONEY OFF BEER SALES? DO WE MAKE VENDOR FEES? AND I WAS HOPING YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT.

AND THEN IN THAT SAME VEIN, I WAS, THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, AS WE LOOK AT REDUCING, ADDING A FREE DAY, REDUCING THE COST, HOW IS THAT GOING TO, WHERE ARE WE GONNA MAKE UP THAT LOST REVENUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE OFFERING FREE DAY, YOU'RE OFFERING REDUCED COSTS.

I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE BANKING ON THAT, MAKING UP REVENUE ON SALES OR SOME SOME OTHER WAY.

SO CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO THE REVENUE SIDE, YOU'RE RIGHT, TICKET SALES, MERCHANDISE SALES, AND THEN THE FOOD VENDORS, WE DO RECEIVE A PERCENTAGE OF REGISTRATION OR OF THEIR, THEIR INTAKE.

UM, AND THEN WE RECEIVE A PERCENTAGE OFF THE BEER SALES AS WELL.

SO, UM, AND THEN WE, ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE THE MARKETPLACE MERCHANTS WHO PAY A BOOTH FEE.

SO WE DO NOT RECEIVE A PERCENTAGE OFF THEIR SALES, BUT BY HAVING THE FREE SUNDAY, THE HOPE IS PEOPLE HAVE SPENT LESS TO GET IN AND THEY WILL HOPEFULLY SPEND MORE AT THE FESTIVAL.

AND BY HAVING MORE PEOPLE IN THE FESTIVAL, WE WILL SEE THEIR REVENUE GO UP NATURALLY.

UM, SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE HOPING TO OFFSET THAT.

UM, AND THE ONE AREA OUTSIDE OF TICKETS THAT WE SEE THE HIGHEST REVENUE COME IN FROM IS OUR FOOD VENDORS.

SO DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CAPITALIZING ON THEIR LOCATIONS AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT THE FOOD BRINGS.

UM, SO DIANA'S TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF REALLY SCREENING THOSE FOOD VENDORS AND BRINGING IN SOME NEW EXCITING FUNCTIONS FOR THEM.

AND SO WE'RE HOPING THROUGH THOSE EFFORTS WE'RE WE'LL SEE AN INCREASE IN REVENUE FROM THAT TO MAKE UP FOR THE SUNDAY TICKET SALES.

WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT LIKE WE'VE TOLD ALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WHEN SHE'S PRESENTED TO US, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE RIGHT PATH IS AS THINGS CHANGE AND TASTES CHANGE, UH, I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT AND THE ENTIRE TEAM.

UM, I, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M QUITE SURPRISED OF THE, UH, NO REVENUE.

I GUESS I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT NUMBER WAS A LOT LARGER.

UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE A, I'M NOT, NOT TO HOLD YOU TO IT, BUT WOULD YOU SAY MORE OR LESS 75, 90%, 50% OF THAT IS TICKET SALES? LIKE, I'M JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE.

NOTHING.

I'M GONNA HOLD YOU TO YVONNE.

JUST, I, I HONESTLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU THE PERCENTAGE, BUT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU, OH, DID I MISS IT? IF YOU NOTICE ON THIS SLIDE, THE TICKET SALES, THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU WHAT REVENUE CAME IN SPECIFICALLY FROM TICKETS.

UM, AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, SO LET'S LOOK AT 2019, OR BETTER YET, 2025.

SO WE HAD $266,000 IN TICKET SALES.

WHEN WE GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE, OUR REVENUE, 266,000 OF THAT 355

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CAME FROM TICKETS.

SO THAT WAS A YEAR THAT WE HAD THREE BAD DAYS WITH WEATHER.

UM, SO THAT SHOWS THAT THE SALES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM FOOD AND BEER WERE NOT THERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T OPEN LONG ENOUGH TO RECOUP THAT.

NOW WE HAD A GOOD FRIDAY NIGHT, UM, AND I BELIEVE WE HAD PART OF SATURDAY, UM, BUT WE HAD NO SUNDAY, WE HAD NO, DURING THE DAY ON SATURDAY.

SO THAT DOES HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON WHAT OUR REVENUE IS.

TWO, TWO, UM, TWO COMMENTS FOR DOWN THE ROAD FOR YOU.

JUST TO CONSIDER, UM, THAT I'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM IN GENERAL.

UH, ONE, I KNOW WE, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE THE SAME KIND OF FOOD VENDORS THAT A LOT OF, WHETHER IT'S HUFFINES OR COTTONWOOD OR, UH, WILDFLOWER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND INCREASE THAT FOOD DIVERSITY THERE.

UM, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH FOOD TRUCKS OR SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE.

UM, I KNOW TWO YEARS AGO THERE WAS A, UH, LIKE A HANNO BAND IN ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE SMALLER STAGE, AND ENDED UP BEING A, LIKE A GREAT CROWD.

IT WAS, IT WAS PAT CROWD BUST OUT A LITTLE STREET DANCE THERE.

UM, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT LIKE, THE EISMAN EVENTS, UH, I MEAN THIS, THE, THE, THE, THE STUFF THAT IS SELLING OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY THE EISMAN, ARE THOSE KIND OF CULTURAL EVENTS THAT ARE TIED TO SOME OF THE VARIOUS CULTURES.

SO AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITY, UH, MAYBE ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THE SIDE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE.

UM, PROBABLY LOWER COST THAN SOME OF YOUR, YOUR BIGGER BANDS AND SOMETHING TO BRING IN NEW, NEW, UH, UM, I GUESS NEW, UH, PEOPLE TO SEE IT.

I KNOW, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, AND I MAY HAVE SHARED THIS WITH YOU, THE PERSON I WAS BIDDING AGAINST, UH, ON, I WAS IN A BIDDING WAR FOR ONE OF THOSE GUITARS AND, UM, AND THE GUY THAT WENT UP WINNING, IT WAS A HISPANIC COUPLE FROM, UH, FROM SAN ANTONIO.

AND WE WERE TALKING AFTER THE, THE, IT ENDED AND IT, IT WAS NEAT TO HEAR THAT THEY CAME FROM SAN ANTONIO.

YEAH, I THINK THAT DAY I RAN INTO LIKE TWO OR THREE COUPLES FROM SAN ANTONIO.

SO OBVIOUSLY I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING UP TO OKLAHOMA AND TEXARKANA AND LOOKING AT NEW MARKETS.

SO GREAT JOB ON THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UH, IT'S, IT IS VERY ENLIGHTENING.

I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THIS.

I MEAN, THIS FESTIVAL, LIKE MANY OF OUR FESTIVALS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE, RIGHT? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE PUT ON FOR THE PUBLIC.

UM, TO THAT END, UM, I'M CURIOUS ON, ON TICKET SALES, HOW MUCH ROOM FOR, HOW MUCH OPPORTUNITY IS THERE? RIGHT? ARE WE SELLING 5,000 TICKETS AND, BUT WE COULD TECHNICALLY SELL 15,000 OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS ARE.

UM, HOW MUCH OPPORTUNITY IS THERE FROM A TICKET SALES PERSPECTIVE? YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE ALL TO START STUMPING AND KNOCKING ON DOORS AND SELLING TICKETS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WHAT, WHAT WOULD, UM, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY THERE? YEAH, SO WE DO HAVE MORE ROOM TO GROW ON TICKET SALES.

WE WOULD LIMIT OUR TICKET SALES AS THE FESTIVAL IS RIGHT NOW TO ABOUT 15,000 TICKETS PER DAY.

UM, DIANA COULD GIVE YOU A BETTER BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SELLING PER DAY, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY ROOM TO GROW IN THAT AREA.

I DO KNOW THAT THIS YEAR I LOOKED AT TICKET SALES, THE NUMBERS THIS MORNING, OUR FRIDAY, UM, OUR FRIDAY IS ABOUT EVEN WITH LAST YEAR, OUR SATURDAY IS AHEAD OF LAST YEAR.

UM, THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT IS IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE SALES WILL SLOW DOWN AT A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN THEY SPEED UP, UH, PROBABLY A WEEK TO TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE FESTIVAL.

SO TO BE ABLE TO SAY, ARE WE GOING TO EXCEED NEXT YEAR OR LAST YEAR'S, I CAN'T SAY THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH IT NOW.

BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY ROOM TO SELL MORE TICKETS.

DIANE, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE ABOUT WHAT DO WE SELL PER DAY? UM, ON AVERAGE, WE DO HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT, I WOULD SAY A 25 TO 35% GROWTH OPPORTUNITY WITH MEETING OUR CAPACITY.

UM, LIKE YVONNE SHARED, OUR CAPACITY CURRENTLY IS 15,000.

AND THAT HAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION JUST THE PHYSICAL CAPACITY OF THE FESTIVAL SITE, OUR, OUR SECURITY, AND ENSURING THAT THE FESTIVAL REMAINS A SAVED AREA FOR ATTENDEES.

UM, HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, LIKE ABAN SHARED, ALSO, IT'S ALL WEATHER DEPENDENT.

UM, WE DO SEE THE MAJORITY OF OUR TICKET SALES, SURPRISINGLY, THE WEEK OF THE EVENT, A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, ARE TRENDING TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT WEEK AND DETERRENT ON THE WEATHER.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT, THAT ABILITY TO GROW, UM, TO REACH THAT CAPACITY.

SO THERE'S, I DUNNO WHAT THE MATH ON THAT IS.

IS THAT 2000 MORE TICKETS, 3000 MORE TICKETS THAT WE COULD BE SELLING? SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I WOULD SAY UPWARDS TO PROBABLY ABOUT, UM, FIVE TO 6,000 MORE THAT WE COULD SELL PER DAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT THE GOOD NEWS FOR A YEAR IS THERE'S OPPORTUNITY.

IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MARKET TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, THERE IS OPPORTUNITY.

UM, I DON'T, IT'S NOT GONNA GET US TO BREAK EVEN, UH, BY ANY MEANS, I DON'T THINK.

BUT, UM, THAT'S AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN,

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DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, WHENEVER, OH NO, I, I JUST SAW YOU TURNED ON YOUR MIC.

UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO ECHO, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS COMMENTS.

I, UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY AROUND, UM, FOCUSING ON OTHER, UM, CULTURAL, UM, ARTISTS.

UM, MR. MAGNER LOVES IT A LOT.

I TEXTED HIM RECENTLY A SOUTH KOREAN RAPPER THAT I THOUGHT WAS FANTASTIC.

UM, I'M SURE THAT HE, YOU KNOW, LOVES GETTING THAT ON THE SUNDAY MORNING INSTAGRAM FEED INTRODUCED ME TO A NEW ARTIST.

UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S AN INTERESTING, UM, SORT OF, UH, UM, PHENOMENON THAT WE DO SOMETIMES.

SEE AT THE EMAN WHEN, I THINK WE HAD A CROONER, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE THEY WERE FROM, BUT IT SOLD OUT THE EMAN.

UM, THERE WAS A, DO, DO YOU REMEMBER, WAS IT SOUTH KOREAN MAYBE? YEAH, WE WENT TO WAS THIS ONE.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT I MEAN, IT SOLD OUT.

I MEAN, IT WAS AMAZING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US WOULD'VE PREDICTED THAT, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER AS WELL.

UM, IF WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARTISTS TO COME TO THE FESTIVAL THAT MAY BRING IN A NEW AUDIENCE.

UM, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY HERE.

THIS IS, AGAIN, IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE.

WE, WE SUBSIDIZE THIS EVENT THAT EVERYBODY LOVES SO MUCH.

AND GIVEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT ABOUT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, LIKE, GOD FORBID IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WAYS TO MAKE THIS BETTER, YOU KNOW, TASTE OF ADDISON IS A CAUTIONARY TALE THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING, UH, ADAPTING TO SORT OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO INCREASE ATTENDANCE AND, AND REVENUE AND, AND BEING CREATIVE.

UH, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.

MAYOR.

IF I, IF I CAN JUST ASK DIANA TO ELABORATE ON SOMETHING.

SO IT, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.

UH, BECAUSE TO INCREASE THE, UH, EVENT REVENUE FROM TICKET SALES, PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS ALSO INCREASE THE EXPENSES.

UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA SELL 5,000 MORE TICKETS BRINGING IN TONIC AND BANDS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, I'M NO DISRESPECT TO ANY BAND, BUT IT'S THE REALITY WE'RE WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING, UM, THE RESPONSE, UH, THAT WE'RE MAKING IN THE, IN TERMS OF THE INVESTMENT AND THE, AND THE ENTERTAINMENT.

AND SO IT REALLY BECOMES A SITUATION OF WE CAN, WE CAN PROBABLY SELL 15,000 TICKETS, BUT, YOU KNOW, DIANA'S ASKED FOR UPWARDS OF, YOU KNOW, SIX, $700,000 MORE SOME, AND, AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO COMPETE IN THIS MARKET.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TICKETS THAT WE SELL.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A STRATEGY.

'CAUSE WE, WE WOULD'VE DONE IT MANY YEARS AGO.

THERE'S NOT A STRATEGY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S GONNA GENERATE 5,000 MORE TICKET SALES WITH THE LINEUPS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE.

WE'RE PUTTING INTO PLACE GOOD LINEUPS.

BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BALANCED WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF ATTENDANCE.

AND SO THE, THE, THE RIDDLE FOR ME IS IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA MAX UP 15,000 A DAY, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE TOP, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE ENTERTAINMENT EXPENSE GO WAY UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU COMPETE.

AND SO I THINK IT'S TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE OF, OF BRINGING IN.

UH, AND, AND DIANE CAN, AND I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO HER FOR A SECOND 'CAUSE I DO WANT YOU TO ELABORATE ON THIS AND ALSO TALK ABOUT THE PRICE POINT OF THE TICKETS.

THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FACTOR AS WELL.

YOU THINK, WELL, IT'S SUCH A GREAT DEAL, LET'S JUST INCREASE THE PRICE.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY COULD SEE THE REVERSE EFFECT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MIND.

IT'S NOT THE BARGAIN THAT IT WAS.

AND SO TAKE TAKE JUST A SECOND AND TALK A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG, LONG TIME ABOUT THESE THINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR THE COUNCIL TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THIS.

YES, THANK YOU, DON.

UM, HE IS CORRECT.

THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TYPE OF ACTS AND THE LEVEL OF ENTERTAINMENT THAT WE BRING IN.

UM, THAT MORE OR LESS VALIDATES THE TICKET PRICE POINT THAT WE OFFER FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT GO INTO DECIDING WHAT THAT PRICE POINT IS.

IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.

UM, IT'S REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT OTHER ADDITIONAL ENTERTAINMENT VALUE IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA.

UM, IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THE TICKET PRICE POINT IS SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE CAN FEASIBLY AFFORD.

UM, OF COURSE THERE'S THE GROWING EXPENSES OF JUST LIVING IN TODAY'S SOCIETY THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

UM, BUT DON IS VERY, VERY MUCH CORRECT THAT IF YOU WERE TO SEE A PRICE IN OR AN INCREASE IN THE OVERALL REVENUE THAT WE BRING IN OFF OF TICKET SALES, UM, THERE IS GONNA BE AN EXPENSE INCREASE.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA LOOK AT HAVING A $40 PRICE POINT ON OUR, OUR DAILY TICKET SALES, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT THAT WE SPEND ON ENTERTAINMENT UPWARDS TO $500,000.

UM, THE OTHER AVENUE OR THE OTHER APPROACH WE CAN TAKE IS REDUCING THE OVERALL TICKET COSTS, UM, OF THAT, UM, THAT WE CHARGE RIGHT NOW FOR THE DAILY ADMISSION.

UM, THAT IS A POTENTIAL RISK YOU TAKE IN POTENTIALLY SEEING A REDUCTION IN THE REVENUE BECAUSE YOU'VE LOWERED THAT INITIAL PRICE POINT.

UM, BUT THEN THAT'S A RISK YOU ALSO TAKE IF YOU DO LOWER THE TICKET COST.

ARE YOU SEEING AN INCREASE IN ATTENDANCE OVERALL? SO COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, JUST, UH, FOR, JUST FOR EXTREME CLARITY ON THIS THOUGH, EVEN SINCE THE INCEPTION OF WILDFLOWER, THE INTENTION WAS NEVER TO BREAK EVEN, RIGHT? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, AS COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE SAID, A PUBLIC SERVICE THAT RICHARDSON OFFERS TO PROMOTE THE CITY AND PROMOTE THE ARTS.

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IT THAT'S VERY TRUE.

MY MY REASON FOR BRINGING THIS TO YOU AND FOR BRINGING OTHER THINGS TO YOU THROUGHOUT THIS BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS POST COVID, THE DELTA HAS EXPONENTIALLY GROWN MM-HMM .

WHILE, WHILE OUR, WHILE, WHILE OUR REVENUE, I'M SORRY.

NO, NOTHING.

IT'S, YEAH.

WELL, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S AT LEAST DOUBLED.

YEAH, IT'S DOUBLED FOR SURE.

BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT OUR REVENUE GROWTH HAS EXPONENTIALLY BEEN LIMITED.

THAT IS TRUE.

AND, AND IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER IN MANY RESPECTS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THE, THE COST OF THE ENTERTAINMENT AND, AND, AND AGAIN, THESE GUYS CAN TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT BETTER.

AND I CAN'T, THE COST OF THE ENTERTAINMENT IS THE MAJOR DRIVER.

THERE'S INSURANCE AND THERE'S, AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IT'S REALLY THE COST OF THE ENTERTAINMENT.

SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS WE'VE SEEN THE COST OF THE ENTERTAINMENT GROW, THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE'VE OFFERED HAS SUFFERED.

AND THEN I, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THAT CORRELATION TO TICKET SALES AS DIANA EXPRESSED.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK IN, IN, IN ESSENTIALLY FOUR BUDGET YEARS, THE DELTA HAS DOUBLED.

FROM $800,000 TO, TO ONE POINT, WELL, ACTUALLY ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS INCREASE.

AND SO, UM, WITH ALL OF THE, UH, WITH ALL OF THE TRADE-OFFS THAT I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KIND OF INSTILL AS IS COMING AS PART OF THIS BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, I AGREE.

I I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE.

THERE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VALUE, THERE'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT VALUE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF INTANGIBLE VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WILDFLOWER FESTIVAL.

YOU KNOW, MY, AT THIS POINT, TOTALLY RHETORICAL QUESTION TO YOU IS, IS THAT A $1.8 MILLION VALUE, UH, OR IS THERE, OR IS IT, OR IS IT WORTH LOOKING AT VARIATIONS ON WILDFLOWER THAT MAYBE BETTER BALANCES THINGS SO THAT THAT DELTA GETS BACK DOWN TO WHAT IT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN, WHICH WAS LESS THAN A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR? NO, I THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION.

I MEAN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT 1.8 NUMBER YOU THREW OUT, WHAT COULD WE GET FOR THAT, FOR ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? AND I MEAN, BUT, BUT ALSO JUST, JUST MY ORIGINAL POINT FOR CLARITY, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US EXPECTS THAT THIS WAS EVER GONNA MAKE, MAKE OR BREAK EVEN.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US TO LOOK AT THIS AT.

DEFINITELY.

THAT'S ALL COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I MEAN, GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UH, AND, UH, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, RETURN OF INVESTMENT.

UH, IF WE HAVE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO, THAT'S HOW WE CAN MAKE DECISION BREAKEVEN.

NOBODY REALLY EXPECT TO HAVE THIS IN BREAKEVEN, BUT IF THE DELTA GOES LIKE THAT HIGH, THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY, IT, AT LEAST I PAUSED BY LOOKING AT THE NUMBER.

AND ALSO THE TREND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT TICKET IS GONNA MAKE THAT MONEY, UH, BECAUSE THE COST IS GONNA GO UP.

BUT YOU HAVE TO REALLY BRING, YOU HAVE TO, THE TICKET PRICE NEED TO BE MUCH HIGHER.

UH, PROBABLY OVER A HUNDRED DOLLARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO ATTRACT, UH, THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL FEEL LIKE, THEY'LL FEEL LIKE TO SPEND THAT MUCH BIGGER BAND, BIGGER THINGS.

UH, BUT BY LOOKING AT THIS, I THINK THE NUMBERS, THE EXPENSE AND UH, REVENUE, UH, THE FORMULA THAT HAS BEEN USED NOT GOING TO WORK.

IT'S GONNA BE SAME OUTCOME NEXT YEAR, PROBABLY THE DELTA IS GONNA BE ANOTHER 20% UP.

UH, SO PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE, EACH INDIVIDUAL VISUAL ITEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, FREE TICKET IS NOT A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE FREE THINGS.

THEY THINK IT'S A CHEAP, BUT SOMETIMES IF THE PRICE IS REALLY HIGH, PEOPLE GOES OTHER WAY.

THEY'LL, THEY'LL START PANICKING AND BUYING TICKETS.

SO, BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT EXPERIENCE? I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M, YOU GUYS ARE EXPERT, EXPERT, DO SOME MAGIC.

I THINK WE BY, YOU KNOW, BY THINKING OUT OUT OF THE BOX, PROBABLY WE CAN MAKE THIS THING BETTER.

UH, IF THE DELTA GETS REDUCED, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TIMM HUTCHIN MATTER.

SETTING UP TO THE TIME THAT IT'S TAKEN DOWN.

UM, THI THIS IS MORE ASKS THAN, SO I DON'T EXPECT ANSWERS TONIGHT, BUT AS WE GO INTO THIS THIRD, I'D LOVE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF WILDFLOWER VERSUS, UM, COTTONWOOD.

AND, UM, UM, I JUST WENT BLANK.

I'M SORRY.

THE HARVEST TEST.

UH, YEAH, THE HUFFINES I'D, I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT WE SPEND ON EACH OF THOSE.

SO FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT, OR NOT NEXT MEETING, BUT WHENEVER WE ADDRESS THIS AFTER A WILDFLOWER, I'D LOVE TO, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT.

SECOND THING IS, IS WOULD THERE BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BREAK IT DOWN, BASICALLY REVENUE AND COST PER DAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, WE COULD BREAK DOWN THE REVENUE BY THE DAY.

THE COST, WHERE THAT BECOMES CHALLENGING IS YOU HAVE THE STAGE, THE PRODUCTION THAT'S SET UP, WE PAY FOR THE COST FROM THE TIME THEY START

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SO WE COULD GO THROUGH AND DIVIDE IT OUT OVER A THREE DAY PERIOD.

UM, IT WOULD BE A ROUGH ESTIMATE.

SO WE, WE COULD WORK THROUGH PART OF THAT.

'CAUSE I, I THINK IT'D BE, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO, YEAH, TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BY DAY BECAUSE I, I, THE OTHER FACTOR TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE PER DAY COST IS EACH BAND IS GONNA BE SO DIFFERENT ON WHAT THEIR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS ARE, WHAT THEIR PRODUCTION NEEDS ARE, THEIR GREEN ROOM REQUEST.

UM, AS MUCH AS WE TRY TO CONTAIN AND RESTRICT THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THE BANDS I HAVE ON FRIDAY NIGHT NIGHT COULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN WHAT THEIR NEEDS AND DEMANDS ARE FOR SATURDAY NIGHT.

UH, SO THAT COST VARIANCE IS DEFINITELY CHALLENGING TO BREAK APART BASED ON HOW WE PURCHASE.

UH, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY COME UP WITH SOME ESTIMATES.

YEAH, I, I THINK AN ESTIMATE WOULD BE FINE.

'CAUSE I REALLY THINK IT, IT IS BEGINNING TO BEG THE QUESTION OF, OF DAYS AS WELL AS, AS YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING THIS UP HERE.

AND THEN LASTLY, AND AGAIN, I I'VE, I, I DON'T WANT TO, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO THROW THIS OUT HERE, OUT, OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, I GO TO VARIOUS EVENTS AND I RECOGNIZE WILD IS DIFFERENT THAN POTENTIALLY SOME OTHER, UM, VENUES AROUND THE DFW METROPLEX.

BUT I SURE SEE A LOT OF, I'M GONNA USE THE WORDS CELLS AROUND COVER BANDS.

AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WORD TO USE, BUT WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT, NOT AFRAID IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THE LAST TIME, REMEMBER WE HAD, WE HAD, I THINK IT WAS ULTIMATE JOURNEY WAS SCHEDULED AND THEY GOT RAINED OUT BECAUSE OF, I THINK IT WAS EITHER, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 23, BUT I I, YOU CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT YEAR.

UM, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEMED TO DO THAT YET.

I GO TO VARIOUS PLACES AND I'M NOT GONNA NAME 'EM 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT YOU GO THERE AND IT'S LIKE, PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP FOR THESE, LIKE FOR ULTIMATE JOURNEY.

AND THEN THERE'S A, LIKE A, A A, THERE'S A COVER BAND FOR DEF LEPPARD.

THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT COVER BANDS NOW.

I KNOW THEY'RE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT PEOPLE REALLY SEEM TO TURN OUT FOR 'EM.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL THAT WE LOOK AT THAT RATHER THAN TRYING TO GO WITH, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS HAVING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE, WE STEP TO HAVE THE, THE HEADLINER, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD MAYBE EVEN LOOK AND, AND, AND LOOK TO UTILIZE MAYBE COVER BANDS, UM, IN THE, IN THE OVERALL MIX THAT MAY BRING IN PEOPLE WHO MAY OTHERWISE.

'CAUSE THEY DO HAVE A FOLLOWING.

THEY'RE LOCAL.

SO PROBABLY THEIR, THE EXPENSE STRUCTURE WOULD BE LESS FOR THEM.

SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT AS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE, IF WE'VE TAKEN A HARD LOOKS AT THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, JUST A, JUST A QUESTION.

I WAS TOLD A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO BY SOMEBODY ON THE WILDFLOWER STAFF THAT THE, THE, THAT WE'VE, THAT A LARGE COMPONENT OF THIS INCREASE HAS BEEN THE CASINOS UP IN OKLAHOMA.

THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY HAVE REALLY JACKED UP THE, THE, THE COST OF SOME OF THE ENTERTAINMENT AND THAT THEY HAVE A, I'M GONNA USE THE WORDS MORATORIUM THAT FOR, I THINK I WAS TOLD SIX MONTHS OR NINE MONTHS, THAT IF THEY PLAY WITH, IF THEY PLAY AT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, CASINOS THAT IF THERE'S LIKE A SIX MONTH MORATORIUM FOR LIKE A HUNDRED MILES OR 80 MILES, SOME AMOUNT, SOME AMOUNT, AMOUNT OF THAT.

IS THAT, IS THAT PLAYING INTO THIS AS WELL? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS LED TO BELIEVE, SO I'M JUST RIGHT.

UM, IT DOES, IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.

NOW DIANA COULD TALK MORE TO WHAT THOSE RADIUS CLAUSES ARE.

THEY VARY WITH EACH DIFFERENT AGENCY THAT WE BOOK THROUGH.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE CASINOS ANYMORE, IT'S ALSO ALL OF THE VENUES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE DFW AREA.

SO IF SOMEBODY'S PLAYING IN FORT WORTH WITHIN A THREE MONTH WINDOW, WE PROBABLY CAN'T BOOK 'EM.

UM, NOR WOULD WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE SOLD TICKETS FOR THAT TIMEFRAME.

BUT A LOT OF THE BANDS, IF WE BOOK 'EM AND THEY'RE PLAYING SOMEPLACE ELSE WITHIN A HUNDRED MILES, WE ARE LIMITED ON WHEN WE CAN ANNOUNCE 'EM.

IF WE DO BOOK 'EM.

AND DIANA, YOU COULD PROBABLY ANSWER BETTER TO THE POINT OF WHAT IS THAT GENERAL WINDOW FOR, UM, WHEN WE CAN BOOK BANDS AND THAT RADIUS.

HAVE OUR RADIUS CLAUSES FOR ACTS THAT WE BOOK.

UM, IT, IT IS CORRECT.

UM, I THINK PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, AND ESTABLISHMENT OF THE, THE CASINOS TO THE NORTH, UM, OUR RADIUS CLAUSE REALLY FOCUSED MORE ON THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA AND TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION AUSTIN.

AND THEN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UM, WHAT THAT HAS CREATED IS A STRONGER RADIUS CLAUSE FOR US BOOKING THE BANDS.

AND SO THEY HAVE THE POWER TO BE ABLE TO SET THOSE STRONG RADIUS CLAUSES, UM, TO WHERE THE ACTS THAT ARE PERFORMING AT THOSE LOCATIONS CAN'T PERFORM, SAY THREE MONTHS WITHIN A 300 MILE RADIUS.

WHICH ESSENTIALLY EXCLUDES NOT JUST US AS A FESTIVAL, BUT ANY OTHER VENUE WITHIN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA.

UM, SO WE AREN'T NECESSARILY JUST THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE SEEING THE, THE OUTLAY FROM THAT.

IT'S EVERY VENUE IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA.

UM, ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, WE ALSO

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AND SO PROGRESSIVELY AS WE'RE LOOKING TO BOOK THE BANDS, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO TRY TO BOOK AS EARLY IN ADVANCE AS WE CAN TO GET AHEAD OF THOSE BOOKINGS AT THOSE CASINOS AND OTHER VENUES IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA.

UM, SO WE CAN ESTABLISH OUR RADIUS CLAUSE BEFORE WE ARE SUBJECTED TO OTHER RADIUS CLAUSES.

AND THE, JUST THE DISCUSSION POINT ON THE COVER BANS, ANY, ANY INSTANT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? YEAH, UM, I KNOW THAT WE DO BOOK TRIBUTE BANDS AND COVER BANDS, TRIBUTE BANDS, BUT IT'S A SITUATION OF, EVEN WITH THE SURVEY THAT WE SAW, WE SAW PEOPLE STATE, YOU KNOW, TRIBUTE BANS WERE VERY LOW ON THE RESPONSE.

UM, NOW WE DO, WE HAVE COVER BANDS THAT COME IN SUNDAY IS IS GONNA BE A, A GREAT BAND THAT WE'LL HAVE.

AND THEN ALSO ON THE PLAZA STAGE ON SUNDAY WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT TRIBUTE BANDS AND THEN INSIDE THE HILL HALL AREA.

DIANA, DO YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD TO THAT? YES.

UM, WE DO INTEGRATE A LOT OF COVER AND TRIBUTE BANDS, UM, THAT ARE LOCAL, UM, IN THE PROGRAM AND LEADING UP TO OUR NATIONAL HEADLINERS ON SEVERAL OF THE DIFFERENT STAGES.

UM, THIS COMING YEAR YOU'LL SEE SOME COVER BANDS THAT ARE DALLAS-FORT WORTH BASE THAT'LL BE HEADLINING ESSENTIALLY OUR CARBOX STAGE ALSO, UM, FOR THE LARGER AREAS SUCH AS HILL HALL, WE TO LOOK TO BRING IN A TRIBUTE BAND THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE IN THE DALLAS AREA BUT WEREN'T A GENRE THAT PEOPLE ARE EXCITED TO SEE.

UM, SO WE DO LOOK TO INTEGRATE THEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AS LONG AS THE BUDGETARY, UM, ALLOTMENTS ALLOW IT.

UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PROGRESSIVELY KIND OF KEPT WITHIN OUR PROGRAMMING, UM, SCOPE.

OKAY, THANKS.

UH, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

DO YOU MIND GOING TO PAGE 11, KEEPING APARTMENTS WITHIN SCOPE? ALRIGHT, SO, UM, JUST BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THE MATH WORKS, THE TOTAL ATTENDANCE OF 32,000, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN WE SAY A TICKET SOLD, ARE WE TALKING TICKET DAY? ARE WE TALKING A TICKET SOLD, COULD BE A THREE DAY TICKET IN THAT CASE.

UM, IT COULD BE ANY TICKET.

UM, AND WE BREAK THAT DOWN.

GOTCHA.

UM, BASICALLY OF TICKETS THAT ARE SOLD, WHETHER IT'S A VIP TICKET, A RESIDENTIAL TICKET, AND WE LOOK AT IT IN TOTAL.

UM, AND THEN THAT TOTAL ATTENDANT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, THAT'S THE, THE TICKETS THAT HAVE BEEN SCANNED TO COME IN AS WELL AS THE VENDORS WHO ARE THERE.

WHETHER IT'S MARKETPLACE FOOD, THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE THERE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAFFING.

AND THE PRIMARY REASON I'M ASKING IS IT JUMPS OUT.

THERE'S SUCH A BIG VARI YEAH, IT JUMPS OUT AT ME THAT THE TICKET SOLD VERSUS TOTAL ATTENDANCE THAT YEAR COMPARED TO THE REST MM-HMM .

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE REVENUE'S CONSIDERABLY HIGHER TOO ON A TICKET REVENUE.

SO I, I'M, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THOSE ARE MORE VI I, I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS.

IT, IT, IT STOOD OUT IN A, SO I WILL SAY THAT, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHEN WE INCREASED FEES, BUT IN 2019 I BELIEVE IT WAS, WE HAD A TICKET FEE INCREASE AND I THINK IT WAS 2023.

SO WE HAVE ADJUSTED OUR FEE PRICE OR TICKET PRICE OVER THE YEARS.

SO ON SOME OF THE YEARS WHERE THERE'S FEWER TICKETS SOLD, BUT THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT THAT CHANGE.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY.

AND THEN WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED THE STRATEGY, I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO WHERE WE HAD THAT TIERED PRICING.

SO IF YOU BUY YOUR TICKETS EARLY BEFORE WE ANNOUNCE WHO THE BANS ARE, IT'S A MUCH LOWER PRICE.

AND AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE EVENT, THE PRICE GOES UP TOO.

AND SO WE'LL SEE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY NOW, UM, HIGHER NUMBER OF TICKETS BEING BOUGHT EARLY ON THAN WHAT WE USED TO SEE IN THE PAST.

POTENTIALLY THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE WE MAKE OFF OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE WOULD ALSO INCREASE.

UM, SO, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY, AND I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THE CAVEATS, UH, BIGGER BANDS, BIGGER NAMES, WAY MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY AND WE SEE TICKETS SOLD AT 14,000, 11,000, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 15,000 PER DAY WOULD BE KIND OF THE CAP, LIKE THE, THE MAXIMUM.

SO HYPOTHETICALLY IF WE MAXED OUT, WHICH WOULD CAUSE A LOT MORE EXPENSE MM-HMM .

UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT, UH, IS THE FAIR ONE TO COMPARE AGAINST.

I GUESS YOU COULD TAKE 2024 AND THEN JUST MULTIPLY BY THREE THREE.

SO THAT'S ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN TICKET SALES VERSUS 334, BUT STILL WELL SHY OF THE, AND THAT'S WITHOUT THE INCREASE OF BANS, EVEN IN A FULLY MAXED OUT SITUATION, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING MORE IN 2024, YOU'D STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A 700, $800,000 LOSS.

AND THOSE ARE A BUNCH OF, EVEN THOSE THAT DON'T REALLY EXIST.

'CAUSE YOU WON'T MAX OUT UNLESS YOU SPEND MORE MONEY, YOU POTENTIALLY WOULD EVEN SEE EVEN A SMALLER, UM, LOSS.

BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY NOT ONLY IS THE TICKET REVENUE GONNA INCREASE WITH THE AMOUNT OF TICKETS THAT YOU'RE SELLING, BUT

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AND AS THE V SHARED EARLIER, UM, FOOD AND BEVERAGE IS PROBABLY OUR SECOND, IF NOT THIRD LARGEST REVENUE THAT WE MAKE OFF THE FESTIVAL.

AND SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S JUST BASIC THAT MORE PEOPLE ATTENDING OF COURSE, ARE GONNA BRING IN MORE REVENUE IN THOSE CAPACITIES IN THE REGION.

DO WE KNOW, JUST OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEAD, IS THERE A WELL KNOWN, THIS IS THE FEST, THE ONE FESTIVAL THAT BRINGS OUT MORE PEOPLE ANYWHERE IN NORTH TEXAS? IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

THAT'S A, A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE ALL THE FESTIVALS ARE SO DIFFERENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING AS WE ARE DOING OUR FESTIVAL RESEARCH IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CAMPING BASED FESTIVALS.

HMM.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE MUSIC NICHE, IT'S THE COMMUNITY NICHE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT AND THEY WILL START CAMPING ON WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY AND THEY STAY THROUGH THE WEEKEND.

UM, WE'RE ALSO SEEING SOME VARIANCES WHERE A LOT OF THESE FESTIVALS ARE NOW RUN BY PROMOTERS VERSUS MUNICIPALITIES.

UH, THAT IS ANOTHER BIG TREND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UM, AND THEN THE MUNICIPAL, UH, FESTIVALS THAT WE ARE SEEING, WE'RE SEEING MORE OF A TWO DAY FESTIVAL VERSUS A THREE DAY.

SO THEY'RE REDUCING THE SCOPE OF THE FESTIVAL SOME.

AWESOME.

THE, THE ONLY OTHER THINGS I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SCOPE WISE IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THIS, AND IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN GET SOMEONE TO SWAG IT OR NOT.

UM, BUT I, IT, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHAT BRAND VALUE THERE MIGHT BE TO WHAT WE DO FROM A FESTIVAL PERSPECTIVE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE WITH BRAND VALUE, BUT IT, IT, IT IS AN INTERESTING DATA POINT FOR US TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND.

UM, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU.

I WANT TO COMMEND YOU, DON.

UH, THIS IS A LEVEL OF VISIBILITY THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD ON THIS PARTICULAR FESTIVAL.

UM, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST OF NEWS TO SEE EXACTLY HOW, HOW BIG THE NUMBERS ARE, UH, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT DATA.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE EFFORT AND TIME TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I DO SEE A COUPLE MORE LIGHTS STILL LIT UP, SO I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO WITH YOU.

UM, YVONNE, ON THIS SLIDE, THE TOTAL EXPE ESTIMATED EXPENSES FOR 2026, CAN YOU GIMME AN IDEA? YOU MENTIONED THE COST OF ENTERTAINMENT IS THE LARGE, LARGEST PIECE OF THAT.

IS THAT 50% OF THAT IS THAT 80% OF THAT LEAK? GIMME AN IDEA.

AND, AND HOW HAS THAT, AGAIN, JUST GENERALIZATION, HOW HAS HAS THAT CHANGED COMPARED TO 2022? SO FOR THIS YEAR, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, OUR BUDGET FOR ENTERTAINMENT IS, AND THIS IS ALL OF ENTERTAINMENT.

SO EVERY STAGE IN THE PERFORMANCE ROW IS 778,000.

SO WE HAD A BUDGET.

WE TRIED TO STAY VERY TIGHT WITHIN THAT BUDGET, UM, MOVING BACK TO 2022 BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE THE PLAZA STAGE, THAT ENTERTAINMENT COST WAS LESS.

BUT I DON'T HAVE THOSE FIGURES IN FRONT OF ME BY ANY CHANCE.

DIANA, DO YOU HAVE THAT? UM, AND YOU KNOW, OUR DOLLAR WHEN IT COMES TO ENTERTAINMENT USED TO GO FURTHER.

UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, THE BANDS HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY IN COST.

SO WHAT WE ARE SPENDING THIS YEAR AND WHAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN PRE COVID IT A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLPARK OF QUALITY LEVEL.

SO ROUGHLY 30, 35% OF YOUR EXPENSES ENTERTAINMENT ITSELF.

SO MOST OF IT'S OPERATIONAL, WHETHER IT BE STAGES OR THE RIDER OR I DON'T KNOW, OR THE, UH, STAFF COSTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

STUFF.

RENT THINGS AND PRODUCTION.

UM, I APPRECIATE, I WAS GONNA ASK SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN JUSTICE ASKED.

UH, I WAS DOING THAT MATH, LIKE MAYOR SAID.

UH, MY QUESTION WAS AROUND, UM, NOT TO GO BACK, BUT I REMEMBER THERE WAS A, UH, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT EISMAN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DAYS RENTED AND ALLY HAD KIND OF PREDICTED A SWEET SPOT.

IT'S LIKE, LOOK, AT ONE POINT WE END UP SPENDING, WE HAVE MORE REVENUE LOSS IF WE MAX IT OUT.

HAVE Y'ALL, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE MATH THAT THE MAYOR DID AND WITH WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE HAD ASKED EARLIER, IS THERE A SPOT THAT YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, IDEALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T MAX IT OUT WITH IT INCREASING COSTS UNLESS SOME MIRACLE HAPPENS AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HA DON'T INCREASE COSTS, BUT WE INCREASE THE TENANTS.

UM, THEN THE REST OF IT HAS TO BE BY CUTTING COSTS.

UM, DO YOU SEE ANY POSSIBILITIES THERE TO GRADUALLY CUT CERTAIN COSTS? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SOME EFFICIENCIES, BUT ANYTHING ELSE THERE THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? UM, I WILL SAY WE'RE PROBABLY AT A STAGE OF CUTTING COSTS WILL ALSO MEAN CUTTING SOME OF THE SERVICES, BECAUSE WE HAVE STREAMLINED THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

AND EVEN WITH US STREAMLINING, WE ARE STILL SEEING INFLATION HIT ON THE COST TO

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SO US MAKING THE CUTS THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE KIND OF AT THE POINT THAT ANY CUT THAT WE MAKE MOVING FORWARD WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING SEEN BY THE SPECTATORS AND BY THE AUDIENCE COMING.

UM, ANY MOVE ON TICKETS SOLD? ANY IDEA HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE RESIDENT TICKETS VERSUS NON-RESIDENT TICKETS? UM, I KNOW RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO BUY TICKETS AT A DISCOUNT OF COST.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS NOW, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE APPLIED THE TIERED SYSTEM TO THEM OR NOT, BUT CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT AND IS THAT ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SAY, WELL, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT? IS THAT EVEN, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE PEOPLE BUYING IT AND THEN WE'RE SELLING 'EM, THEREFORE WE'RE, OR IS IT SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF THE TOTAL SALES THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY A FACTOR IN IT? AND OUR RESIDENTIAL TICKETS, THOSE ARE $15 FLAT.

UM, PLUS THE SERVICE FEES FOR PURCHASING THE TICKET.

UM, DIANA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU BROUGHT THOSE NUMBERS WITH YOU.

I WANT TO GUESSTIMATE THAT IT'S ABOUT 30% OF RESIDENTS THAT PURCHASE TICKETS.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE OUR EXACT NUMBERS GOING INTO 2026, UM, BUT YVONNE IS CORRECT.

UM, IN THE PERCENTAGE OF TICKETS THAT ARE PURCHASED BY RICHARDSON RESIDENTS, UM, WE DO HAVE OUR RICHARDSON RESIDENT TICKETS DISCOUNTED.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW OUR SINGLE DAY TICKETS ARE PRICE AT $30 A PIECE, WHEREAS RESIDENTS CAN SECURE THEM AT $15 AND THAT'S A DISCOUNTED PRICE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM ALL THE WAY UP TO, UM, THE DAY OF THE FESTIVAL ESSENTIALLY ONLINE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MUCH.

COUNCILMAN MCC CORCORAN.

HEY, THANKS.

THANKS, MAYOR.

JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE FOCUSED A LOT ON THIS SLIDE AND THE BUDGET SLIDES AND YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO GIVE, GIVE DUE CREDIT FOR SLIDE SIX TO NINE FOR Y'ALL REAL QUICK.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DIANA SPENCER, YVONNE, Y'ALL ARE AN AMAZING TEAM.

YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK FOR THIS WILDFLOWER TO IMPLEMENT SOME ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA HELP STREAMLINE THESE COSTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER OR LIKE MAYOR PRO, TIM HUTCHIN, RIDER THELMAN, I GO TO A LOT OF EVENTS, WHETHER IT'S VENDOR RUN, CITY RUN, PRIVATE BUSINESS RUN, THIS IS STILL THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK THAT YOU CAN GET.

THIS IS STILL AN AMAZING FESTIVAL AND I'M EXCITED FOR GOOD 2026.

WE ARE TOO HERE, HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ITEM NUMBER 13, UH, WHICH IS TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENT PROCESS.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO

[13. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENT PROCESS ]

UH, THANKS MAYOR.

UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, AS WE KIND OF RAN, UH, LATE INTO THE EVENING, WE QUICKLY, UH, REVIEWED, UH, A PROCESS, UH, FOR THAT WE SHARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

UH, JUST RECALL HERE AGAIN, UH, THIS SLIDE JUST REMINDING EVERYONE THAT IF THERE'S ONE VACANCY ONLINE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT, UH, A REPLACEMENT, UH, WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 120 DAYS IF THERE'S TWO VACANCIES OR MORE, UH, THEN, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, WILL BE BROUGHT TO VOTERS VIA AN ELECTION ON THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION DATE.

UM, THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.

THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE, UH, KIND OF POSED THAT WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON.

AND ULTIMATELY, UM, IF THIS IS, UM, A PROCESS THAT YOU'RE ALL AGREEABLE TO, UM, WE CAN KIND OF, UH, FORMALIZE THAT IN, IN THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE, IF THAT BE YOUR, BE YOUR DESIRE.

BUT JUST, UH, RECALL, UH, WEEK ONE WOULD BE FOR THE COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND, UH, CRIMINAL HISTORY AND PERSONAL FINANCES.

AND SO, UM, AFTER CONSULTING WITH, UH, CITY ATTORNEY PETE SMITH, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS NOT TO DO A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON ALL APPLICANTS AT THIS POINT OF THE PROCESS.

UH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO AT ALL, UM, OR REQUIRE, UM, ANY KIND OF A, UH, PERSONAL FINANCE STATEMENT.

NOW, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN INCLUDE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WOULD GET AT SOME OF THOSE SAME ITEMS, PERHAPS, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SURVEY, KIND OF A APPROACH TO IT, RATHER THAN GETTING TOO IN DEPTH, UH, AT THIS POINT.

UH, AGAIN, NEXT THE APPLICATION PERIOD.

AND THAT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO THREE WEEKS, DEPENDING ON, UH, WHAT YOU DECIDE AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

UM, ANOTHER WEEK, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THE APPLICATION PERIOD IN CLOSING APPROXIMATELY A WEEK OR SO FOR YOU TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS ON YOUR OWN.

AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, YOU WOULD SELECT THE APPLICANTS TO BE INTERVIEWED.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD LOOK.

MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD BE TO, UH, LOOK AT EACH APPLICANT'S, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, UM, AND EVALUATE THEIR, UH, MERITS.

UH, AND THEN, AND ALL APPLICANTS THAT WOULD RECEIVE FOUR OR MORE VOTES WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

SO IF YOU HAD 10 APPLICANTS AND ALL 10 RECEIVE FOUR MORE VOTES, ALL 10 WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

IF YOU HAD THREE, UH, THAT ONLY RECEIVED FOUR MORE VOTES, THAT'S THAT THOSE THREE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

UM, THOSE THAT WOULD RESULT IN YOUR, YOUR LIST FOR THE INITIAL APPLICANT, UH, INTERVIEWS.

UM, YOU WOULD COME BACK IN A COUNCIL MEETING DELIBERATE, UH, AND ANNOUNCE FINALIST.

AND AGAIN, A FINALIST I'D PROPOSE YOU'D HANDLE THAT THE SAME WAY, IF YOU HAD 10 APPLICANTS AND, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, A FINALIST, UH, THREE, YOU DECIDED YOU WANTED TO MOVE ON, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE YOUR FINALIST, UH, CANDIDATE POOL.

YOU WOULD CONDUCT THOSE, UH, INTERVIEWS A WEEK LATER AND THEN COME BACK AGAIN TO A, UH, FOLLOW-UP COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE DELIBERATION AND ANNOUNCEMENT

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OF, UH, YOUR APPOINTEE.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THIS CAN FLEX, UM, WITH, WITH, UH, THE CIRCUMSTANCES AS WELL.

UH, BUT EACH FINALIST, UM, YOU WOULD GO, UH, EACH OF THE FINALISTS THAT YOU INTERVIEWED WOULD BE EVALUATED BY THE COUNCIL, AND THEN YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SELECT THE LOAN FINALIST, AND THEN THAT PERSON WOULD BE APPOINTED AT, AT A MEETING THE FOLLOWING WEEK IN WHICH THE SWEARING IN CEREMONY WOULD OCCUR AS WELL.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A 12 WEEK PROCESS, I THINK, UM, KIND OF, UH, TALKING TO SEVERAL OF YOU, I THINK WE COULD DO THIS IN AS LITTLE AS NINE WEEKS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HARDER TO GET IT BEYOND THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE WITH A TWO WEEK, UM, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, ESSENTIALLY BEING ONE WEEK.

UM, THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTING FOR DAYS OFF, YOU KNOW, FIFTH MONDAYS OR HOLIDAYS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND SO IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO GET THIS TO LESS THAN NINE WEEKS, BUT I THINK WE COULD STILL DO THAT PRETTY EFFICIENTLY.

SO, UH, MAYOR, I KNOW AGAIN, WE, UM, THE LAST NOTE I WANTED TO MAKE HERE IS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO YOUR APPOINTEE, UM, THAT PERSON WOULD BE, UM, LIKE WE ALL ARE, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEIR PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT WITHIN 45 DAYS OF BEING APPOINTED.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD GET ON THAT RHYTHM WITH US AND THEN BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT, I THINK IN EVERY YEAR BY THE END OF APRIL, UM, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

AND SO, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, THERE'S, UH, MAYOR, I, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, UH, TO, TO KIND OF DISCUSS ANY OF THESE ITEMS. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

THERE'S VARIATIONS ON ALL THESE.

I WOULD JUST MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION IS TO TRY TO KEEP THIS FLEXIBLE.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE A, A GOOD APPROACH HERE, EVEN DELVED INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TONIGHT.

BUT, UM, THERE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE FACTORS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, I THINK FLEXIBILITY IS IN YOUR BENE IS, IS WILL BENEFIT YOU, UM, AT, AT THE, AT THE TIME, UH, THAT, THAT THIS KIND OF A, UH, PROCESS AND ACTION ON YOUR PART WOULD BE NECESSARY.

UH, THANK YOU MR. MAGNER.

THIS IS GREAT WORK.

AND YOU, UH, HAVE TAKEN WHAT WE INITIALLY WERE LOOKING AT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND ADDED THESE ADDITIONAL BULLETS THAT GIVE US A, A BIT MORE GRANULARITY.

I, I DON'T KNOW FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, IF THERE'S, UH, A DESIRE TO GO BULLET BY BULLET AND JUST DETERMINE FROM THE GET GO OF THIS, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION THAT'S NEEDED, UH, JUST TO GET US TO A COMFORT LEVEL GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN.

OR IF YOU WANNA JUST ATTACK THIS WILLY-NILLY, UH, YOU WANNA GO ONE BY ONE.

I, I WOULD PREFER GOING ONE BY ONE AS WELL.

CAN WE JUST GO BACK ONE SLIDE, ONE BY ONE, AND IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL GO TOP TO BOTTOM AND, AND START THERE.

SO WE START OFF WITH THE COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE AN APPLICATION.

UH, SO THAT WOULD BE AT A COUNCIL MEETING IN THE VERY FIRST WEEK.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? AND YOUR LIGHT IS ON, SO I'LL START WITH YOU.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN? UH, YEAH.

SO I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARITY HERE YEAH.

AND ALSO OFFER SOME SUGGESTIONS.

UM, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED THIS PRIOR, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE APPLICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T REALLY SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, RUNNING CRIMINAL HISTORY AND FI YOU KNOW, PERSONAL FINANCIALS.

I DO AGREE, UH, WHAT MR. MAGNER MENTIONED ABOUT POTENTIALLY ASKING SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IN THE APPLICATION JUST TO GET SOME GENERAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE ROUGH.

IF I, IF I, IF I WILL SAY, UH, THE BEGINNING, JUST 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE, UM, ASKING TOO MUCH OUT OF JUST AN APPLICATION PROCESS AND THEN TWO, WHEN THOSE APPLICATIONS, UM, ARE ARRIVE AND, AND WE'RE TO REVIEW THOSE, ARE WE REVIEWING THOSE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? ARE WE REVIEWING THOSE IN PUBLIC? THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

IT'S FOR US TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW IF WE LIKE.

UH, WELL, WELL I'LL TELL YOU MY SUPPORT IS THAT I THINK, UH, WHEN YOU'RE GOING, IT'S LIKE ANY, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, ON MANY OCCASIONS WHEN YOU'RE INTERVIEWING SOMEONE OR EVEN A, A PROGRESS REVIEW, I FIND THAT THAT'S, UH, VERY PERSONABLE AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE CAN COME OUT AND SPEAK YEAH.

ON THE BEHALF OF WHY WE MADE THAT SELECTION, IF WE WILL.

BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE, UH, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS MIGHT BE PERSONAL AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING MORE PRIVATE AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

SO, UH, I, THAT'S A GREAT NOTE TO MAKE.

UH, THAT'S THE FOURTH ITEM DOWN.

UH, WHAT I'M GONNA TRY TO DO IS SEE IF WE CAN EAT THE, EAT THE ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR.

BUT, UH, I'M COOL WITH THAT.

I JUST WANNA, WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL MAYBE DISCUSS THAT FURTHER AS WE GET TO THE FOURTH ONE.

UH, I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE ROAD AND COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO NEXT.

YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT REQUIRED NOW FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER RUNNING FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY DONE.

SO I, I, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? LIKE YOU CAN'T BE A FELON POTENTIALLY.

I, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S OKAY TO INCLUDE QUESTIONS ABOUT ARE, ARE YOU AWARE AND YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? AND THE SAME THING FOR THE PERSONAL FINANCES.

I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE FOR ME.

IT'S, UH, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, UM, WHAT ALL YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.

SO I THINK AT LEAST AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ON THE APPLICATION THAT SAYS YOU ARE AWARE THAT IF YOU ARE APPOINTED, YOU WILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DO X, Y, Z, UM, JUST SO THAT FOLKS ARE AWARE BEFORE THEY GET REALLY FAR INTO THE PROCESS AND THEN BACK OUT.

UM, I WOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT.

HEARING TWO OF Y'ALL THAT ARE GENERALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY ONE AND THE SUB-BULLET ARE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

SO FAR I'M

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DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE FIRST OR EVEN SECOND ITEM OR THIRD YEAH, IN, IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, APPLICATION? I, I AGREE ABOUT THE, UM, NOT, NOT AT DOING A BACKGROUND CHECK.

THAT'S, AND JUST ASKING JOHN QUESTIONS REQUIRED TO THE, TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE POSITION, UM, THE APPLICATION.

I'M KINDA CURIOUS, DONNA, WHAT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT, AND NOT TO SAY IT'S THE SAME THING, BUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS AN ONLINE APPLICATION.

IS THAT WHAT THE PROCESS IS HERE? I LIKE, I WOULD, I MEAN, WE GET ASKED SIMILAR QUESTIONS, LIKE THINGS LIKE, WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE? WHAT DO YOU BRING TO IT? DO YOU MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS? I, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS.

YEAH, DEFINITELY.

I, I WOULD SAY, UH, MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, UM, ON THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, I, I WAS TRYING TO LEAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY.

I MEAN, AT GIVEN TIMES, YOU MAY WANNA ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, A DARK QUESTION MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN FIVE YEARS IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.

AND SO WE WOULD, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT FIRST WEEK IS TO COME IN AND KINDA GET YOUR CONSENSUS AROUND THE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR THAT TIME.

IT COULD EVEN BE PLAY SPECIFIC IF THERE WERE THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK IF IT WAS A PLACE.

SO, UM, BUT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE THE APPLICATION WOULD, IN MY VIEW WOULD BE, UM, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSION CUSTOMIZE WITH QUESTIONS, UM, THAT WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SALIENT AT THAT TIME FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER.

UH, AS WELL AS WHAT I'M HEARING IS, UM, SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS OF, UM, THE PERSONAL FINANCE, UH, DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL QUESTION RELATED TO CRIMINAL HISTORY AND, UM, THE CONFIRMATION THAT THEY'RE, UH, ELIGIBLE TO SERVE.

MAYOR, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR THIS BULLET LINE.

COOL.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ORINE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I MEAN, I DO AGREE WITH MR. MAGNER RECOMMENDATION.

UH, ONE QUESTION I HAVE, IS THAT THE APPLICATION, SHOULD THAT BE LIKE A, HAVE A AFFIDAVIT OR COULD, COULD YOU ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN? AFFIDAVIT NEED TO BE OH, AFFIDAVIT.

UM, I, WE COULD HAVE A, WE COULD HAVE A STATEMENT AT THE, AT THE, UH, CONCLUSION OF THE APPLICATION THAT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW, I CONFIRM ALL THIS INFORMATION IS YEAH.

IS THAT, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU? YEAH, THANK YOU.

UH, DO WE, DO WE HAVE THAT AND WHEN WE EVER REDO OUR FILINGS? UH, WELL, WELL, THE CANDIDATE APPLICATION, THE ORIGINAL CANDIDATE APPLICATION DOES HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT ON IT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO.

SO THEN IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? GENERALLY? OKAY.

SO WE GOT BULLET ONE OUTTA THE WAY, ONE PLUS THE, THE HALF BULLET UNDERNEATH.

SO THE APPLICATION PERIOD OF THREE WEEKS.

NOW, KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE MIGHT CAUSE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN CASE THERE'S A TIME CONSTRAINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IN GENERAL, THE IDEA OF A PERIOD OF TIME, CALL IT TWO, CALL IT THREE WEEKS, GENERALLY, ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? AND I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, YOU'VE GOT A THOUGHT ON THAT.

YEAH, I'M FINE WITH EITHER TWO OR THREE WEEKS DEPENDING ON, I THINK MY BIGGER QUESTIONS AROUND THE APPLICATION PERIOD IS HOW ARE WE AS A CITY GOING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW? GREAT QUESTION.

THE APPLICATION.

SO COMMUNICATIONS, LIKE, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT A REGULARLY SCHEDULED.

AND TO BE HONEST, I CAN'T TELL YOU NOW THAT I'VE, I GUESS WORKING ON MY FOURTH CAMPAIGN AT THIS POINT, UM, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH YOU SPEND MONTHS LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, THEY, THEY FIND OUT THE DAY ELECTIONS START, THAT, HEY, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.

RIGHT? SO I'M VERY CURIOUS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AROUND THIS IS HOW DO WE AS A CITY LET RESIDENTS KNOW OTHER THAN JUST A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW US ON A REGULAR READ, ONE OR TWO BLOGS YEAH.

THAT ARE AROUND THE CITY.

UM, SO I KNOW WE PASSED NUMBER ONE ALREADY, BUT I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE NUMBER ONE ONE, UM, BECAUSE YOU, YOU REMINDED ME AS YOU'RE ASKING THIS QUESTION THAT EARLIER YOU MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT THESE BEING ONLINE APPLICATIONS VERSUS IN-PERSON PAPER APPLICATIONS LIKE WE DO WHEN WE APPLY TO PUT OUR NAMES ON THE BALLOT.

IS THE COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH AN ONLINE APPLICATION LIKE YOU SEE WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? YEAH.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE WE'RE WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY ON THE OTHER END.

I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH DOING IT ONLINE, BUT THAT'S FINE.

SO THE ON ON THE COMMUNICATIONS PROTOCOL AND HOW WE GET THE WORD OUT.

REALLY, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE OUR, THAT WOULD BE OUR TOOLBOX.

I, I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF IT'LL DEPEND ON THE TIMING.

FOR INSTANCE, OBVIOUSLY IF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT IN THE RICHARDSON TODAY, WE WOULD DO THAT.

BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE TO PRINT ALREADY AND YOUR TWO TO THREE WEEKS WOULD BE UP BEFORE THE NEXT RICHARDSON DAY.

AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DEPENDENT ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

BUT EVEN IF WE COULDN'T USE THE RICHARDSONS TODAY, WHICH OF COURSE GOES TO EVERY MAILBOX IN THE CITY, UM, WE WOULD USE, UH, ALL OF OUR OTHER COMMUNICATION CHANNELS.

IT WOULD BE SOCIAL MEDIA, IT WOULD BE, WE CAN REVIEW, IT WOULD BE THE HOA NETWORK, UH, THAT WE, UH, HAVE TO, TO, TO HELP GET WORD OUT.

SO IT WOULD BE THE OTHER SIX FORMS OF COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT.

UM, UM,

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I MEAN, WE, WE, WE WOULD USE THE SAME, SAME SIX, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, IF WE CAN INCLUDE THE RICHARDSON TODAY, UM, CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION THAT WE DEPEND ON AND WORD OF MOUTH.

THAT'S OKAY.

SO WE GOT SOME COMFORT LEVEL WITH, UH, UH, BULLET NUMBER TWO.

UH, I, I SEE YOUR LIGHTS ON.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON NUMBER TWO? I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO YOUR COMMENT, JUST, UH, I KNOW WE MENTIONED THAT ON TO PROVIDE ONLINE SERVICE, BUT, UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO, TO OFFER BOTH STILL THE HANDWRITTEN AND OR ONLINE JUST IN CASE SOMEONE HAS A SPECIFIC PREFERENCE.

JUST LIKE WE DO NOW HEARING NO PROBLEM FROM STAFF.

IS THE COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? OKAY.

SO WE'LL GO ON TO BULLET NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL REVIEWS THE APPLICATIONS ON OUR OWN.

SO THIS IS NOT YET THE FOURTH ONE WHERE WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN A, A PUBLIC MEETING.

ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH GIVING US ONE WEEK AFTER THE APPLICATION'S CLOSED TO REVIEW ON OUR OWN? YES.

MAYOR PRO TEM HU I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT WE OURSELVES AGREE THAT WE WOULD NOT REACH OUT TO ANYONE WHO'S PUT IN AN APPLICATION.

SO WE DO IT ALL TOGETHER AS A, AS A TEAM VERSUS SEVEN OF US.

OH, CURTIS, I SEE YOU APPLIED.

I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD AGREE TO THAT.

THAT'S BRINGS UP A INTERESTING QUESTION AND POINT.

I, I DON'T, UH, DISAGREE OR AGREE, I JUST, BUT UH, DOES ANYONE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? UH, SO SOMEONE PUTS THEIR NAME ON, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.

WE'VE STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE'VE ANNOUNCED THAT WE'RE GONNA START IT, WE'RE GONNA DO THE APPLICATION.

UM, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU MIGHT REACH OUT TO SOMEONE.

ONE MIGHT BE YOU'RE REACHING OUT TO SOMEONE TO ENCOURAGE 'EM TO APPLY.

I'M SAYING, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING ONCE THE APPLICATION CLOSED, PRIOR, I WOULD SAY THE FIRST, I'LL SAY THE FIRST FOUR WEEKS.

REACH OUT IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE, SOMEONE'S MENTIONED SOMETHING TO YOU.

100%.

ALL I'M SAYING IS ONCE WE GET THE APPLICATIONS AND WE HAVE THESE SEVEN PEOPLE, OR 10 PEOPLE OR 14 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER, I THINK WE OUGHT TO AGREE NOT TO GO OUT AND, AND START ASKING QUESTIONS, DOING ALL OF THAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT AS A GROUP SO THAT WE ALL, FROM THE TIME THE APPLICATION CLOSED FROM ONCE, ONCE THE APPLICATION CLOSED, AND WE'RE GIVEN THOSE SEVEN PRIOR TO THAT, IT'S OPEN GAME.

THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT WOULD BE MY FAULT.

ANYONE, ANYONE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A BAD IDEA? OKAY.

SO ONCE, UH, I'M SORRY, UH, IS THAT, UH, WE CAN DISCUSS IT SOME MORE THOUGH.

UH, IT WASN'T ON THAT TOPIC.

OKAY, COOL.

IT WAS ON THIS BULLET.

SO IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, WE'D LOVE TO ADD THAT.

AND, AND I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER IS, WILL WE PUT THIS IN OUR COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE OR ORDER AND PROCEDURE? I APOLOGIZE THAT I BUTCHER THE NAME EVERY TIME.

UH, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT START SOUNDING A BIT LIKE THAT.

SO I PERSONALLY WOULD WANNA SEE THIS, UH, FORMALIZED IN THAT WAY AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE VERY END OF IT.

BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT IT CAN HAVE SOME TEETH, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT YES, COUNCIL MEMBER BAR, I, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST, UM, AMY, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE, WHEN WE LOOK AT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE'VE RECEIVED THE BINDER WITH THE APPLICATIONS AND I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT ONCE THAT CLOSES THAT WE CAN RECEIVE A BINDER.

I THINK THAT MAKES LIFE A LOT EASIER TO GO THROUGH VERSUS TRYING TO DO IT ON THIS.

SO WE'LL GO ON TO NUMBER FOUR.

IS THAT WHERE YOU HAVE THE NEXT NO, I WAS STILL ON THE ONE WEEK.

GO.

I, I THINK ONE WEEK IS FINE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET A HUNDRED APPLICATIONS.

I WOULD JUST CAVEAT THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING DESIRE FROM THE COMMUNITY SURE.

THAT SERVES ON THE COUNCIL.

UM, THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO GIVE OURSELVES TWO WEEKS OR SOMETHING IF WE NEEDED TO.

BUT GENERALLY, I THINK ONE WEEK, I THINK COUNCILMAN HUTCH MURRAY IS PROBABLY RIGHT.

PROBABLY CLOSER TO SEVEN .

BUT WE NEED THAT FLEXIBILITY.

NO, I AGREE.

AND, AND I THINK, UH, YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED THE IDEA OF, WE CAN ADD THE CAVEAT THAT SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE TIME AND THAT SORT OF THING AS NEEDED.

UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY YOU MAY WANT TO EXTEND OR SHORTEN IT.

AND SO THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME AS WELL.

UM, OKAY.

SO LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER FOUR, WHICH I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN ALREADY MENTIONED THE SELECTION OF THE APPLICANTS TO BE INTERVIEWED.

SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

WE NOW HAVE ALL THE APPLICANTS, WE'VE REVIEWED ALL THE APPLICANTS, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS WHICH ONES WE ACTUALLY WANT TO INTERVIEW.

UM, DOES AS FAR AS THAT PROCESS, NOT THE INTERVIEW ITSELF, BUT THE SELECTION OF WHO WE WANT TO INTERVIEW, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS ON THAT.

UH, WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

I THINK YOUR, YOUR LIGHT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON FIRST.

WHEN WE DECIDE WHO WE WANT TO INTERVIEW, I IMAGINE YOU'RE GONNA SUGGEST THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S DONE PUBLICLY.

UM, MAYOR, I, I DISAGREE WITH COUNCILMAN DORIAN IN THE SENSE THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S, WHEN YOU RUN AN ELECTION, IT'S A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS.

AND I THINK THEREFORE WE, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE THIS AS TRANSPARENT, OPEN, AND IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE AND CAMERAS AS POSSIBLE.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, LOOKING AT THIS, WE ARE ON THE FOURTH BULLET RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHERE WE DECIDE WHO WE WANT TO INTERVIEW.

NOT THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW ITSELF.

THE INTERVIEW ITSELF IS THE TWO WEEKS AT THE VERY END CORRECT.

OF THIS THING.

SO JUST ON THE,

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BUT I THINK THIS PRO PROCESS SHOULD BE DONE PUBLICLY AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S, UH, SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD IN THE PAST AROUND HOW WE DISCUSS SOME OF THE INTERVIEWS AROUND, UM, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MM-HMM .

AND I SUSPECT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT THAT FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE PAST.

AND I THINK THAT, THAT IN A, IN A SITUATION WHERE WE FILL A OPEN COUNCIL SEAT, THAT WOULD ONLY PUT IT UN MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAT IT BE A OPEN.

AND IF ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, HAS ANYTHING TO SAY AND I, UM, FROM THE COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS TO DO IT IN PUBLIC.

UN UNDERSTOOD.

UM, SO JUST ON THE POINT MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO DOING THE SELECTION OF WHO WE WANT TO INTERVIEW IN AN OPEN COUNCIL MEETING? I'D LOVE TO HEAR ANY ARGUMENTS AGAINST TED DECK.

I THINK NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BECAUSE WHEN WE DO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE'RE IN AN OPEN COUNCIL MEETING.

SO WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THAT? ARE WE SITTING IN HERE AND WE ARE ON CAMERA? IS THAT WHAT WE MEAN BY OPEN COUNCIL MEETING? OR ARE WE IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WHERE WE TALK ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSION? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

COUNCILMAN YEAH.

WOULD BE HERE, WHICH COUNCIL MEETING? THAT WE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE HERE IN THE COUNCIL MEETING.

COUNCIL MEETING REPORTED IN TELES.

I THINK ANY OBJECTION WITH, AND AND I ANTICIPATE THE WAY THAT WOULD GO IS, LET'S SAY THERE ARE 20 APPLICANTS.

WE WOULD GIVE NAME NUMBER ONE AND WE WOULD SEE IF THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MAKE THAT PERSON.

AND WE'D SEE IF THEY COULD GET FOUR VOTES.

AND IF THEY DID, THEN THEY'D GET ON THE INTERVIEW LINEUP.

AND THEN WE'D GO TO NAME NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT WOULD, THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, ARE YOU SAYING THOUGH, AFTER, THIS IS BEFORE INTERVIEWS, WE'RE JUST DECIDING WHO WE'RE GONNA INTERVIEW, BUT ONCE WE START INTERVIEWING THEM, WE'RE NOT.

NO, NO, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

I JUST WANNA MAKE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO WE WANNA MAKE CLEAR WHAT PART WORK.

SO WE'RE SELECTING, WE'RE JUST SELECTING WHO WE WANT TO INTERVIEW FOR THE FIRST THING.

YEAH, THAT PART'S FINE ON CAMERA.

'CAUSE WE'RE JUST SAYING.

DO YOU, SO, SO DO YOU SELECT THIS? ANYONE WITH OBJECTIONS OF DOING THAT IN A COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY.

I SEE LIGHTS ON, BUT I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION.

NO, I WOULD.

NO, I DON'T .

RED LIGHT DOESN'T MEAN OBJECTION.

OH NO, OF COURSE NOT.

NO, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT IN A COUNCIL MEETING.

UH, DAN, I SEE THAT YOUR LIGHT'S ON, SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? YES, MAYOR, IN REGARDS TO THAT, WHEN WE DO THAT, I THINK IT WOULD, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY KIND OF SIMILAR WHEN WE HAVE A ZONING REQUEST AND WE SURE.

OPEN TO DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION THERE, THERE WOULD BE A MOMENT IF, YOU KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN OR MAYOR PROTE WANTS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON, I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A SOLID PO PERSON FOR THESE REASONS.

I THINK THAT HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SO.

OR COUNCILMAN.

SO YEAH, I THINK GIVING COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SUPPORT OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY TO DISCUSS WHY THEY'RE SUPPORTING SOMEONE.

EXACTLY.

I THINK THERE'LL BE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTIONS, JUST LIKE ON ANY OTHER VOTE THAT WE TAKE.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

YEAH, I, AND I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO TURN INTO AN INTERVIEW OR WE START ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER BECAUSE IT COULD TURN INTO AN ACTUAL INTERVIEW AND IT'S NOT REALLY AT THAT STAGE.

THE APPLICANTS WOULDN'T BE HERE TO ANSWER ANYWAY.

UM, SO THIS IS JUST WHO WE WANT TO INTERVIEW, LITERALLY.

YEAH, I AGREE.

ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FIFTH BULLET IF THAT'S COOL WITH EVERYBODY.

UM, NOW ON THE FIFTH BULLET, IT'S ALREADY BEEN INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, UH, THAT WE POSSIBLY DO THAT ACTUAL INTERVIEWING IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I'M CURIOUS IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

YEAH, I, I, UH, THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND OPEN ON CAMERA IN THIS ROOM.

SO, UH, AND MOSTLY I THINK INTERVIEWING IN PRIVATE PROTECTS THOSE OF US REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

BUT I THINK IT'S IN THE PUBLIC GOOD TO DO THIS AND OPEN.

I THINK ANYBODY APPLYING TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER, ALL OF US DID IT IN A VERY PUBLIC WAY.

UH, MOST OF US WITH, WITH, UM, OPPONENTS.

AND IT'S A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS.

I THINK THAT, THAT SUPPORTS THE SPIRIT BEHIND ELECTIONS IS DOING IT IN A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS.

MEETING, MORE THAN LIKELY BEFORE.

WELL, UH, UH, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY WE GO, UM, WE ALSO PROBABLY WANNA FINE TUNE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS HAPPENING AT A, IT MAY BE STILL IN THIS ROOM, BUT WHETHER IT HAPPENS AT A DIFFERENT TIME OR IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS DURING OUR NORMAL COUNCIL HOURS.

'CAUSE KEEP IN MIND THAT STARTS DISRUPTING WHAT THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE.

SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE DID IT ON THIS, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER DOING IT EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THE COUNCIL

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UH, BUT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AINE, UH, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND WEIGH IN ON THIS.

NO, I THINK THIS, THAT NEED TO BE IN PUBLIC, IN THIS ROOM.

UH, AND, UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME QUESTION THAT REALLY COULD BE PUBLIC NON-DISCLOSURE, BUT CANDIDATE SHOULD DECIDE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, KNOW, SQUEEZING THEIR EYES.

SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE A JOB THAT'S COMING UP, STILL NEGOTIATING THOSE KIND OF INFORMATION.

PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT SHOULD BE SOME OPTION THAT SOME QUESTION, UH, IN THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW, COULD BE SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL, UH, WITH PUTTING AS SOME NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION YET.

THOSE KIND OF I SEE.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, IT'S HARD TO COME UP WITH AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE SHOULD NOT REALLY RESTRICT A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR CERTAIN THINGS.

IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT, STILL HE CAN SAY THAT, THAT IT WAS NOT ANSWERED.

YOU KNOW, MAKE IT ALL TRANSPARENT.

SO TWO, TWO PEOPLE SO FAR HAVE WEIGHED IN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS IN A RECORDED OPEN MEETING.

THIS IS THE INTERVIEW NUMBER ONE FOR APPLICANTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SELECTED.

I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, YOU'VE THUS FAR SAID, UH, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WELL, I WANT TO ADD TO THAT AS WELL.

PLEASE DO.

I, THE, I THINK THE POINT MADE HERE IS THIS IS AN ELECTED PROCESS AND IT'S NOT, I WANNA MAKE IT REAL CLEAR THAT THIS IS AN APPOINTED PROCESS, WHETHER IT BE TEMPORARY AND ALLOWS THE CANDIDATE TO EITHER STEP DOWN AND HAVE SOMEONE, SOMEONE RUN WHEN JANUARY RUNS, COMES AROUND AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT YOUR BALLOT AND APPLICATION AND ACTUALLY RUN FOR AN ELECTED SEAT.

THIS IS AN APPOINTED SEAT.

AND I THINK PUTTING SOMEONE IN THAT POSITION AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO DO BEHIND THAT SHOULD BE DONE IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

NOW, AGAIN, COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AFTER THE INTERVIEWS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE REASONS WHY WE POTENTIALLY ARE CONSIDERING THESE CANDIDATES.

BUT AS FAR AS A ELECTED VERSUS APPOINTED, I THINK THAT REALLY HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.

AND IT ALSO, UH, POTENTIALLY MIGHT BE A SHORTER TERM AND IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE THAT DECIDES TO RUN AN ELECTED SEAT STARTING IN JANUARY.

SO, YEP.

AGAIN, I, I STILL STAND BEHIND THAT PART OF THE PROCESS BEING HELD IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I WANNA KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH ON IT TONIGHT, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.

THAT'S OKAY.

WE JUST, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE HEARING FROM EVERYONE SO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYONE SITS.

COULD, COULD WE ADVANCE TO SLIDE BY ONE FOR JUST A MOMENT? SURE.

I JUST WANNA, I, I'M WONDERING POSSIBLY AS A, AS A MIDDLE GROUND, UM, WOULD WE WANT TO NOW GO BACK A SLIDE? I'M SORRY.

WOULD WE CONSIDER DOING SELECTION OF APPLICANTS AND THE INITIAL A APPLICANT INTERVIEWS IN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE? WHAT I'M THINKING WHERE, WHERE MY MIND IS AT, AND IT'S JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, I'M THINKING ABOUT HOW WHEN A SCHOOL BOARD DOES A SUPERINTENDENT, THEY, THEY DO INITIAL, THEY, THEY GET APPLICANTS, THEY DO INITIAL INTERVIEWS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THEN WHEN THEY GET THEIR FINALIST, NOW THEY OF COURSE GO TO, USUALLY THEY HAVE LIKE THREE OR FOUR, AND THEN THEY SELECT THEIR FINALIST OR LIKE POLICE CHIEF, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

USUALLY THE FIRST ROUND IS JUST DONE AMONG US.

AND THE ONLY REASON I'M, I'M, I'M, THE, THE MAIN REASON I'M PROPOSING THAT IS I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE SEVEN OF US TO BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

BECAUSE I GUESS, I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS IS THE MINUTE, THE MINUTE THAT WE, THAT WE SAY SOMEONE HAS RECEIVED FOUR VOTES, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET LOBBIED VERY STRONGLY AS TO THOUGHTS, FEELINGS, AND COMMENTS.

AND I'M JUST, I I'M THINKING SHOULD WE, AGAIN, I'M, IT'S NOT THE TRANSPARENCY PIECE THAT I'M, I'M SO, YOU KNOW, THAT I, THAT I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO TRAMPLE THAT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE INITIAL PROCESS SO WE CAN REALLY, YOU KNOW, HONE DOWN AND SAY, OKAY, WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THIS PERSON WANTING TO BE ON COUNSEL? AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, WOULD WE CONSIDER DOING THIS? JUST THE, THE, THIS PART, JUST THE SELECTION OF A APPLICANTS TO BE INTERVIEWED IN THE INITIAL APPLICANT INTERVIEWS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND THEN IF WE COULD ADVANCE THE SLIDE ONE MORE TIME.

I'M SORRY.

WHOOPS.

MIDDLE GROUND THAT MAYBE WOULD, WOULD SOLVE BOTH, BOTH, BOTH SIDES, IF YOU WILL.

THEN THE, THE DELIBERATION ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE FINALIST, THAT WOULD ALL BE AN OPEN SESSION.

WE WOULD, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE VOTES AND OPEN TO BE, TO NAME THE FINALIST.

WE DO THE FINALIST INTERVIEWS IN OPEN SESSION AND ALL OF THAT.

AND WOULD THAT BE A CLEANER PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET US THROUGH THE PROCESS? AND I WOULD JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS A, AND, AND I KNOW I JUMPED AHEAD AND I APOLOGIZE THAT'S FOR THAT, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO THROW OUT A LOGIC MAYBE TO FIND A

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SO, I, I THROW THAT OUT THERE.

UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING BACK NOW.

UM, SO WHERE WE ARE, UM, UM, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR, UH, A FAIR POINT.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, UNLESS THERE'S, UH, A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT BULLET, UH, PRIMARY BULLET NUMBER FOUR, WHICH WAS SELECTION OF THE APPLICANTS.

UM, OVERALL IT SEEMED LIKE MOST EVERYONE WAS COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH SELECTING THOSE APPLICANTS IN AN OPEN MEETING.

UM, UNLESS, UNLESS THAT CHANGED BASED ON WHAT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, UH, WAS THROWING OUT THERE AS A POSSIBILITY.

UM, IS IT FAIR TO SAY MAYOR PRO TEM THAT LET'S SAY ONE THROUGH FOUR CONTINUE THE WAY WE'VE ALREADY GENERALLY DECIDED NUMBER FIVE, I THINK THE BIG QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS NUMBER FIVE, THE ACTUAL APPLICANT INTERVIEWS.

ARE YOU LEANING MORE TOWARDS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS FAR AS HAVING IT AN OPEN MEETING OR HAVING IT IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? I, I THINK IF, IF WE'RE, OH, I'M SORRY.

NO PROBLEM.

I, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA DO FOUR IN OPEN, YOU HAVE TO DO FIVE AND OPEN.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO COUPLE FOUR AND FIVE TOGETHER AS WOULD WE CONSIDER DOING THOSE IN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS SO WE COULD REALLY, WITHOUT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOBBYING, IF YOU WILL, UM, BE ABLE TO AT LEAST GET THROUGH THE FIRST ROUND OF, OF INTERVIEWS GOT IT.

AMONG OURSELVES.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.

DORIAN AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE IN THAT PART, BE IT HANDLED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND REVERSE THAT.

I JUST DON'T THINK THE ENTIRE PROCESS, THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

UNDERSTOOD.

CAN, AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T COMMENTED ON THIS ONE YET.

UH, 'CAUSE I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THIS IN CLOSED SESSION.

I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THAT I'M, UH, GONNA HEAR FROM DAN THAT HE WANT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, THAT HE WANTS TO HAVE IT ENCLOSED.

I MEAN, AN OPEN SESSION, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, YOU HAVE A A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.

YEAH, I MEAN, I'M THINKING THROUGH THIS AND I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE ARGUMENT THAT WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME EVEN MORE OF A, A PRESSURIZED SORT OF BURDENSOME PROCESS ON THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL BY HAVING THE PUBLIC WEIGH IN AT EVERY SINGLE STAGE OF THE PROCESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR OF DIFFERENT APPLICANTS.

BUT I'M ALSO THINKING THROUGH OUR ARGUMENTS EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THIS WAY, I'M JUST KIND OF GRATEFUL THAT WE HAD THEM.

'CAUSE IT GAVE ME A GOOD MINDSET ON THIS, ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROCESS.

AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THAT PROCESS AND THAT THE PEOPLE WHO APPLY FOR THIS DO SIGN UP FOR IT ALL TO BE IN PUBLIC SESSION.

UM, WHEREAS I DON'T THINK THAT COURTS AND COMMISSIONS THAT'S THE SAME, I FEEL LIKE THE SAME LOGIC DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY.

'CAUSE THIS IS MUCH MORE HIGH PROFILE.

SO I THINK IT, IN MANY WAYS, IT PROTECTS, HAVING EVERYTHING FROM START TO FINISH IN OPEN SESSION PROTECTS US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PROTECTS OUR DECISION AND IN A LOT MORE SIGNIFICANT WAY THAN IT DOES FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WHERE MAYBE SOMEONE FROM, I, I'M SOMEONE APPLYING TO THE PARKS COMMISSION DID NOT SIGN UP TO HAVE THEIR ENTIRE INTERVIEW AND ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, REPUTATION DEBATED ON CAMERA.

UM, FAIR.

THIS, THIS IS A LOT DIFFERENT TO ME.

FAIR.

SO I'M, I'M, UH, PUTTING YOU AS POTENTIALLY A THIRD PERSON, UH, IN THAT YES.

WITH THAT PARTICULAR THOUGHT PROCESS.

DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN THAT HAS NOT WEIGHED IN YET? HE, HE WANTS HE WANTS TO SEE IT WIDE OPEN IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.

I I I, I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE TO THE MAYOR PRO TIM'S POINT, WHICH IS A GOOD POINT, I FEEL LIKE REGARDLESS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING ARE GONNA ASK THEIR FRIENDS TO LOBBY US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THIS WORKS.

AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT, GIVEN, GIVEN THAT BEING MY FEELING, I FEEL LIKE OPEN SESSION IS THE THING THAT PROTECTS ALL OF US THE MOST.

SELFISHLY, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS.

, I I COULD SEE YOU THINKING I WANTED TO GIVE YOU TIME.

YEAH, NO, I, I THINK THAT THE COMPROMISE THAT WAS, UM, PROPOSED WAS AN INTERESTING ONE.

AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY I'M OKAY WITH THIS BEING AN OPEN SESSION FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT IS, UH, HAVE BEEN SAID.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, UM, THE POLITICIZATION OF THIS, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME MERIT TO WHAT COUNCILMAN HUT WRITERS LAID OUT THERE, WHICH IS TO AT LEAST DO THE INITIAL, YOU KNOW, PORTION OF THIS, THE CULLING.

WE CAN REALLY JUST SORT OF TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN HAVE THE REMAINDER BE IN PUBLIC AS AN INTERESTING, UM, UM, UM, COMPROMISE THAT HE'S PROPOSED, UM, TO TRY.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE'RE GONNA GET.

SO WE'RE TALKING SORT OF IN A VACUUM HERE, RIGHT? LIKE

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I MM-HMM .

IF IT'S 20 OF THESE AND WE'RE HASHING THIS OUT FOR EIGHT HOURS AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN PUBLIC SESSION, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THIS IS SO MUCH HYPOTHETICAL, UM, WITHOUT ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING SORT OF THE IMPACT OF WHAT SOME OF THIS WILL BE.

UM, SO I'M, I'M SORT OF STUCK SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

I, I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK ULTIMATELY, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS COULD BE OKAY WITH, WITH IT BEING AN OPEN SESSION.

BUT I LIKE WHAT, WHAT WAS PROPOSED AS FAR AS A COMPROMISE IS CONCERNED.

UM, OKAY.

SO JUST IN THE INTEREST OF COUNTING NOSES, UM, IN THE, IN THE, UH, UH, CATEGORY OF FEELING CONFIDENT OR COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BEING FULLY IN THE OPEN SESSION, I'VE GOT, UH, BARRIO, SARINE AND, AND CORCORAN AT THE MOMENT.

UM, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL JUST WEIGH IN ON MY OWN AND, AND THAT WILL PROBABLY GET US TO A FOURTH VOTE AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

UM, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH DOING IT IN THE OPEN MEETING, DOING THE APPLICANT INTERVIEW IN AN OPEN MEETING.

WE PROBABLY, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WANTED TO FIND HOW LONG WE WANT THESE INTERVIEWS TO GO, HOW MANY QUESTIONS WE WANT.

I DON'T WANNA IDEALLY HASH THAT OUT RIGHT THIS MOMENT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE THINKING ABOUT SO THAT WE, ESPECIALLY IF WE DO END UP WITH 40 APPLICANTS IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE IT BE EIGHT HOURS, WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY CURTAIL HOW WE DO THIS.

UM, BUT, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF DOING THIS AS AN OPEN MEETING.

AND SO, UM, I KNOW THAT, NO, UH, O OTHER THAN YOU COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I, I, I THINK THE OTHER TWO OF YOU ARE KIND OF CONSIDERING OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT GETS US TO FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE OKAY AT THIS MOMENT.

GOING FORWARD WITH THAT.

IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? AND CAN WE MOVE ON? YEAH.

ON THAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, I WANNA SAY I, I, I, AS, AS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE I SPLITTING IT, I WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

I UNDERSTAND.

UH, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO SEPARATE THE TWO FIRST.

IT ALLOWS US TO IRON OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS BEFORE WE BRING IT INTO PUBLIC.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND UNLESS, UNLESS ANY OF THE OTHER THREE CHANGE THEIR MIND, I'M, I'M WITH THEM ON MAKING THAT FORTH.

I UNDERSTAND FORTH.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DELIBERATION AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE FINALISTS.

SO WE'VE DONE THE APPLICATIONS, WE'VE INTERVIEWED EVERYONE IN PUBLIC, AND NOW, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A MEETING OF SOME KIND, MAYBE A CLOSED MEETING, MAYBE AN OPEN MEETING WHERE WE DELIBERATE AND THEN COME OUT WITH FINALISTS.

UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW YOU WANNA HANDLE THAT? MAYOR PRO? TIM HUTCHEN, RIGHT? F FIRST QUESTION IS, IS, IS IT AGAIN, IS IT OPEN? THAT'S NUMBER OF FINALISTS? IS IT, ARE WE GONNA SAY THREE FINALISTS? ARE WE, I MEAN, I DON'T, AND AGAIN, I I'M KIND OF LIKE HO HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE A SMALLER NUMBER THAN THE FIRST ROUND.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I MEAN, I, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, AND AGAIN, I, IT'S SUCH A VACUUM THAT'S ALREADY BEEN POINTED OUT AND IT'S SO HYPOTHETICAL AND SO IT'S KIND OF HARD.

BUT I MEAN, I, I WOULD HATE TO, TO GO INTO THIS PROCESS AND LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE, YOU KNOW, 15 PEOPLE APPLIED AND, YOU KNOW, BOY, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I MEAN, HOW MANY FINALISTS DO WE REALLY WANT TO COME OUT WITH? SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M TRYING NOT, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE PROCESS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, MO MOST, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO SCHOOL BOARDS, FIRE CHIEFS, POLICE CHIEFS, THEY USUALLY COME OUT WITH, THERE ARE THREE FINALISTS.

IF YOU WILL.

AND I, I JUST, I'M WONDERING, SHOULD WE, LET'S START WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

HOW, OKAY.

HOW MANY FINALISTS DO, DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR? HOW MANY FINALISTS DO YOU LIKE? THREE.

I, I I LIKE THREE.

PERSONALLY, BUT I MEAN, I'M NOT, ANYONE ELSE HAVE A IDEA ON THE NUMBER OF FINALISTS? UH, UH, YOUR LIGHT'S NOT ON, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER AINE.

YEAH, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO LIMIT THAT, UH, NUMBER.

OTHERWISE WE, WHAT NUMBER DO YOU LIKE? I THINK UH, THREE WOULD BE GOOD.

NUMBER THREE FOR YOU.

I, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

I'M OPEN AT THREE.

ALRIGHT, THREE FOR YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

I'M OPEN TO THREE.

'CAUSE THIS IS TRULY SOMETHING I'M ON THE FENCE ON.

I THINK WE GOT FOUR PEOPLE THAT SAY THREE.

UNLESS THERE'S MAJOR OBJECTIONS AND SOMEONE WANTS TO, IT WOULD BE THREE OR LESS.

HYPOTHETICALLY IF WE GET THREE, THREE OR LESS.

ALRIGHT, SO, SO FAR WE'RE GOOD.

EVERYBODY GOOD ON THAT? OKAY.

SO WE'VE GOT THAT PART OF THE FINALISTS DETERMINED, THREE OR LESS.

WE'RE GONNA FINALIZE, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THREE OR LESS FINALISTS WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE IN THAT ONE WEEK PERIOD, UH, WHERE THERE'S ONE WEEK FOR THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT.

IS THAT MEETING HAPPENING IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? IS THAT MEETING HAPPENING IN AN OPEN SESSION? WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS THERE? COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS HAS YOUR LIGHTS ON? YEAH, I'M, IN ALL HONESTY, I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS.

UM, I THINK BECAUSE IN ONE WAY WHEN WE VOTE FOR OUR MAYOR PROAM, WE DO THIS IN A, IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS ISN'T A FINAL VOTE, SO I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY.

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SO I'M, I'M OPEN TO HEARING OTHERS' ARGUMENTS.

AND NO LIGHTS GO ON.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

UM, YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER AINE, UH, I WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, IN, IN THE CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, THAT DISCUSSION.

YEAH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

SO DELIBERATING WHAT WE HEARD IN THE INTERVIEW, DELIBERATION IN THE PUBLIC, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT COULD BE A COMBINATION.

I WOULD SAY THAT, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT TOTALLY.

LIKE HAVE THIS PUB, YOU KNOW, A PORTION IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE, UH, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THING IS LIKE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COME UP THAT IS NOT PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT COULD BE SHARED.

UH, NOW AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY THAT EVERYTHING IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT THERE ARE SOME, I GAVE AN EXAMPLE THAT SOME CRITICAL THAT'S NOT JUST FOR THAT MOMENT.

THOSE ARE CRITICAL.

SO WE COULD HAVE IT'S COMBINATION OF BOTH HYBRID, UH, CLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION, THEN COME BACK AND DISCUSS A LITTLE MORE ON THE PUBLIC AND THEN DELIVER.

COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

YES, I, UM, I'M SUPPORTING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE'LL COME OUT AND, AND ADDRESS IT WITH THE PUBLIC.

AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE.

I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND THE WAY I ENVISION THIS GOING IS, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC HAS UP TO THIS POINT, HAD ALL THE SAME FACTS THAT WE DO.

WE CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, DELIBERATE AMONGST OURSELVES, SAY WHAT WE NEED TO SAY, AND THEN COME OUT AND WHOEVER THE NEXT COLLEAGUE IS GOING TO BE.

EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE SAYS SOMETHING THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT AND WE MAKE IT A BIG SORT OF POSITIVE THING.

SO LET ME CLARIFY.

LET ME CLARIFY WHERE WE ARE.

WE'RE WHERE WE ARE.

WE'RE OKAY.

WE ARE ON THE VERY TOP BULLET THERE.

SO WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE THE FIRST ROUND OF INTERVIEWS IN PUBLIC IS WHERE, WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT.

OH, WE'RE NOT ON.

AND WE ARE NOW TRYING TO DECIDE OUT OF THOSE INTERVIEWS, WHICH OF THOSE INTERVIEWS ARE GONNA BECOME A FINALIST.

NO PROBLEM.

NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

SO, SO AS WE'RE DOING, SO DO WE WANT TO GO FROM THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEWS TO WHO WE WANT AS OUR FINALIST SELECTIONS, WHICH WILL BE NO MORE THAN THREE.

WE'VE DECIDED.

SO DO WE WANT TO DO THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR IN HMM, IN A RECORDED MEETING? IN A COUNCIL MEETING? I DON'T KNOW.

UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS.

MAYOR, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS, DOING THIS IN, UM, OPEN SESSION.

UM, I, THE, WHEN WE GET TO IT LATER, I'LL HAVE THOUGHTS ON THE FINAL VOTE.

BUT, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS AN AREA THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS SET IN PLACE AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, LET'S SAY THERE IS SOME MERIT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON A COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY A HUGE NUMBER OF 12 APPLICANTS FOR AN OPEN SEAT.

UM, NARROWING THOSE DOWN TO THREE, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ALLOWS FOR MANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND I THINK IT, IT'S IT WITHOUT A CLEAR PROCESS GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, IT COULD ALLOW FOR TOO MUCH OF THE, WHO THE LOUDEST PERSON AT THE TABLE IS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, VERSUS AN OPEN, CLEAR DEFINED PROCESS.

SO FOR, FOR THAT REGARDS, I'D RATHER HAVE IT IN AN OPEN SESSION, UM, THAN NARROWING VERY WELL COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

YEAH, I THOUGHT YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN FARIO WERE INTERESTING ABOUT SORT OF THE, UH, LIKENING THIS TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM VOTE.

UM, I MEAN, I DO THINK THIS, AND THE, THE NEXT STAGE THAT THERE'S A COMPONENT OF THAT WHERE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF SPEAK HONESTLY ABOUT CONCERNS OR MERITS OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT, THAT MAYBE WEREN'T GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT WHEN WE CAME OUT ON THE MAYOR PRO TEM VOTE, IT ALSO ALLOWED, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE COMMENT.

EXACTLY.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS AND THE SORT OF FUTURE STEP, IT MAKES SENSE, UM, TO AT LEAST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS IT.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COME OUT AND MAKE COMMENT ABOUT WHY WE'RE SUPPORTING A, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR FINALIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC UM, COM COMPONENT AS WELL ABOUT WHY WE'RE VOTING THE WAY THAT WE'RE VOTING, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID, UM, FOR MAYOR PRO TEM.

SO I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS THIS.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DOEY.

AND I, AND AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL JUST REITERATE AGAIN, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT WE WE'RE, THAT'S HOW WE'RE PROCESSING THINGS NOW.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT AS WE DISCUSSED BEHIND EXECUTIVE SESSION AND COME OUT AND HANDLE IT JUST LIKE WE WOULD MAYOR PRO TIP.

WELL, SO I DEFINITELY WANNA SUPPORT THAT TO ADJUST COUNCILMAN BARROW'S CONCERNS TOO.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT

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THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE.

UM, AND SO IF WE, WE COULD EASILY DO THAT, DO THAT TO MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE, WE COULD DO THAT.

I AGREE.

MAYOR PROTO MENTIONED, RIGHT? I'M IN, I I I KIND OF WANT TO JUMP AHEAD BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, FOR THE FINALIST INTERVIEWS, AND THEN I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE, THE FINALIST VOTE IF WE WOULD DO THAT IN OPEN OR CLOSED SESSION.

THAT THAT'S, I HAVE MORE, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ALONG, ALONG THAT THAN I DO THIS GETTING DOWN TO THE THREE FINALISTS.

'CAUSE I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE I'M, I'M, I I COULD GO EITHER WAY.

I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE STAY OPEN TO THAT POINT AND I CAN I JUMP AHEAD OR WILL THAT CAUSE A PROBLEM? I DON'T, I DON'T MIND YOU JUMPING AHEAD.

BUT ARE, ARE YOU SAYING ON THE TOP BULLET THAT YOU'RE THINKING MAYBE LEAVING THAT IN AN OPEN INTERVIEW, I MEAN OPEN SESSION, BUT THEN POSSIBLY DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT A LITTLE BIT LATER? IS THAT WHERE'RE HEADING? BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT I, WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IS, AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE, THE FINALIST INTERVIEWS WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE FINAL THREE YEP.

AND THAT FINAL VOTE.

I AM CONCERNED IF, YOU KNOW, I, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE AWKWARDNESS AND THE, THE ABILITY FOR COUNSEL TO COME TOGETHER.

IF, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA PICK FOR A MOMENT, IF, IF CURTIS IS SITTING NEXT TO ME AND I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM, AND THAT'S OUT ON OPEN RECORD THAT I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM AND I GOTTA SIT NEXT TO HIM FOR THE NEXT, SURE.

THAT COULD GET VERY, VERY AWKWARD.

RIGHT NOW HE HAS NO CLUE.

'CAUSE I GET TO GO TO A, TO A VOTING BOOT BOOTH, WHETHER I VOTED FOR, FOR CURTIS OR I VOTED AGAINST HIS OPPONENT.

AND SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY FINE IF WE WANT TO KEEP EVERYTHING OPEN UNTIL, AND MAYBE EVEN THE FINALIST INTERVIEWS IS AN OPEN SESSION, I DO WORRY ABOUT THAT FINAL VOTE THAT WE WOULD TAKE YEAH.

ABOUT THAT BEING IN OPEN SESSION BE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT GETS, I THINK THAT COULD REALLY CREATE SOME DYNAMICS FOR THE COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO JUMP AHEAD.

VOTE.

WE HAVE TO VOTE IN PUBLIC.

WE CAN'T VOTE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

NO, NO, NO, NO.

UH, I THE DELIBERATION, THE DELIBERATION CAN HAPPEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

CORRECT.

AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD VOTE IN PUBLIC.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT I, YEAH, BUT I MEAN, I THINK DURING THE DELIBERATION, SORT OF LIKE WE, YEAH, WE WOULD IDENTIFY, WE WOULD IDENTIFY WHO THAT FINAL CANDIDATE IS AND THEN COME OUT AND MAKE OUR FINAL VOTE.

I'M JUST, I THINK THAT THAT FINAL DELIBERATION, THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHERE PROBABLY I HAVE THE MOST ANGST ABOUT KEEPING THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FOR TELLING OF WHAT, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN A MOMENT.

BUT STAYING ON, SORRY.

NO, NO, NO.

THAT'S GOOD THOUGH.

IT'S, IT'S GOOD CONTEXT.

SO, ON THE TOP ONE, WE STILL HAVE AT THIS MOMENT, AT THIS MOMENT, I'VE GOT BARRIOS AND HUTCHIN RIDER SUGGESTING THAT THE DELIBERATION, UH, OF WHO THOSE THREE FINALISTS ARE GONNA BE, UM, IS AN OPEN SESSION.

I BELIEVE AT THIS MOMENT WE'VE GOT JUSTICE AND DORIAN SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE THAT HAPPENS IN A CLOSED SESSION.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? THIS IS THE DELIBERATION FOR WHO YOUR FINALISTS ARE GONNA BE.

UH, NO, I WA I I WAS TALKING ABOUT COMBINATION, YOU KNOW, CLOSED SESSION SIMILAR TO WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU DID SAY YOU GAVE A SPLIT VOTE, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, NO.

NO, LET ME CLARIFY THAT.

I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCIL, YOU WANT THE OPTION IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING SENSITIVE TO GO TO EXEC? NO.

OH, I MEAN, I, LET ME CLARIFY THIS THING NOW, PLEASE.

I GO WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JENNIFER'S JUSTICE AND TROIAN.

THAT IS CLARIFIED.

AND SO, CLOSED SESSION, IT'S NOT JUST CLOSED SESSION.

IT'S NOT CLOSED SESSION.

WE COME OUT AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

OF COURSE.

IT'S NOT CLOSED SESSION.

WHAT I'M ASKING.

SO, SO FAR WE'VE GOT THREE AND TWO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, CORCORAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THIS ONE? I MEAN, NO, NOT REALLY.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S FINE EITHER WAY.

I MEAN, I, I GUESS, SORRY.

WOW, THAT WAS REALLY BAD TIMING FOR THAT.

UM, NO, I MEAN IF IT, I THINK, UH, I MEAN, I, I MEAN REALLY AND TRULY, I MEAN, I GUESS, I GUESS I'M FINE WITH ON BOTH THESE DELIBERATION, CLOSED SESSION ANNOUNCEMENT AND A COMMENT IN OPEN SESSION OR VOTE AND OPEN SESSION, WHATEVER.

YOU WANNA CALL IT, SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SAY DELIBERATE ON THOSE FIRST INTERVIEWS MM-HMM .

IN CLOSED SESSION, AND THEN WE WOULD COME OUT AND HAVE AN OPEN SESSION WHERE WE, WHERE WE NAME WHO THE THREE FINALISTS ARE.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

AND, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, SO THAT GETS US TO FOUR PEOPLE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

THE MINORITY ON THIS ONE, BUT I DO WANNA SAY THAT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO SET THE PROCESS IN WHICH THAT'S DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

MAYOR, OBVIOUSLY I'M, UH, IN

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BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GO INTO THAT, IT'S GONNA BE THE LOUDEST PERSON AT THE TABLE OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHO'S GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO GET THEIR TWO OR THREE PERSON PEOPLE IN THERE.

AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF NOT BEING IN, UM, AN OPEN AND CLEAR PROCESS.

SO WE WILL, UM, UH, WE WILL IN OPEN SESSION, DELIBERATE ON WHAT THE CLOSED SESSION PROCESS WILL BE.

AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION IS WHAT YEP.

JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM SITUATION.

NOW WE ARE AT THE NEXT BULLET, WHICH IS THE FINALIST INTERVIEWS.

SO WE NOW HAVE NO MORE THAN THREE FINALISTS AND WE GET TO INTERVIEW THEM.

WOULD WE LIKE TO INTERVIEW THESE PEOPLE IN OPEN OR CLOSED SESSION? COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN OPEN FOR ME.

OPEN, OPEN, OPEN, OPEN, OPEN.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT FOUR FOR OPEN.

SO WE WILL DO THE FINALIST INTERVIEWS IN THE OPEN.

NO MORE THAN THREE CANDIDATES AT THAT POINT.

NOW, DELIBERATION, I'M ASSUMING, DO WE WANNA DELIBERATE THE SAME AS WE DID PREVIOUSLY? OKAY.

SO CLOSED SESSION WITH A DEFINED PROCESS OF WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WHAT I THINK THE MAJORITY IS SAYING.

I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY COMMENTS IF THERE, IF THERE NEED TO BE ANY.

JUST A CLARIFICATION, WHY WOULD WE NEED, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE DELIBERATE WE'RE COMING OUT, IT SAYS LOAN FILING FINALIST.

I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL VOTE ON APPOINTMENT SWEARING IN OF AN COUNCIL MEMBER.

THIS IS, THIS IS GIVING SOME TIME.

WHAT? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA DELIBERATE, WE'RE GONNA GET TO A FINAL PERSON.

WE'VE GOT A POSTING REQUIREMENT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FORMALLY VOTE ON WHAT THAT IS.

SO WE WILL, UH, I THINK AFTER THE DELIBERATION COME OUT INTO EXEC SESSION.

I MEAN, I HAVE EXEC SESSION.

ON THE SECOND TO LAST BULLET, YOU WOULD, UH, DIRECT ME TO PLACE THE APPOINTMENT OF YOUR SELECTED CANDIDATE ON THE AGENDA.

SO YOU'LL HAVE TO REACH A CONSENSUS THROUGH THAT DELIBERATION.

BUT THE ACTION THAT NIGHT WILL BE TO DIRECT ME TO PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR YOUR OFFICIAL APPOINTMENT AND SWEARING IT.

AND THAT WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE A VOTE ASSOCIATED WITH MM-HMM .

PUTTING THAT IN YOUR HANDS.

SO WOULD, SO WOULD THAT BE ONE WEEK OR TWO WEEKS? I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M, I GUESS IT AGAIN, WHY IS THERE TWO WEEKS, WEEKS FROM THE TIME WE GET TO THE SOLO OF FINALIST? IT'S 10 WEEKS POST, RIGHT? IT, YEAH.

IT'S JUST TO GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY AROUND THE POSTING.

I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, THIS COULD BE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING YEP.

THAT YOU'RE HOSTING.

WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE TUESDAY.

SO JUST, JUST TO BUILD IN THE, THE, THE MAXIMUM.

I GOTCHA.

SORRY, I WAS THINKING THERE WAS SOME, I MEAN, MY, MY THINKING THERE IS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS, THIS HAS, HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.

YOU MAY NOT BE UNANIMOUS ON WHO YOU DIRECT ME TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU MAY ULTIMATELY DECIDE ALL THE VOTE FORUM OR SURE.

YOU KNOW, SO THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT VOTE COUNT ULTIMATELY, UM, IN THE FINAL MOMENT.

UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE WAY TO THE END, BUT IF THERE'S CLARIFICATION ON ANY OF THESE PIECES, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, TWO, TWO THINGS.

UM, THE COUNCIL OF, I NEED CLARIFICATION ON COUNCIL VOTE ON APPOINTMENT SLASH SWEARING IN.

SO WE VOTE FOR, YOU KNOW, JOE SMITH TO REPLACE SOMEBODY.

UM, AND AT THAT POINT, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THE VOTE PASSES AND THEN I GUESS CITY SECRETARY CALLS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? MM-HMM .

THE CITY SECRETARY CALLS HIM UP.

COUNCIL MEMBER STEPS DOWN, WALKS AWAY, THE OTHER ONE GETS SWORN IN.

TAKES A STEP.

UM, THE, AT WHAT POINT IN THIS PROCESS IS THERE TIME FOR COMMUNITY INPUT AND FEEDBACK? UM, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND WHEN WE DECIDE EITHER RIGHT BEFORE OR RIGHT AFTER WE DECIDE THE FINAL THREE AT THE START OF EVERY MEETING THAT THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK.

ALL 20 NAMES? BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO JOIN THE COUNCIL.

AT EVERY, SO THERE ARE NINE DIFFERENT TIMES THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

SO I KNOW IT WAS POSITIONED AS PEOPLE MIGHT BE LOBBYING FOR ONE PERSON OR THE OTHER, BUT THE FACT IS, IS THERE'S MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEETINGS THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND GIVE THEIR COMMENTS ON SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW IS ON THE WAY, OR THEY EITHER REALLY LOVE OR REALLY DISLIKE A PARTICULAR CANDIDATE THAT HAS PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE, THEY COULD HYPOTHETICALLY TALK ABOUT IT IN ANY, UH, OPPORTUNITY THAT WE GIVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WELL, OKAY.

SO WITHIN THAT SPIRIT, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT ONCE ALL THE APPLICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED AND THE APPLICATION PERIOD CLOSES, DOES THE CITY SECRETARY POST EVERYBODY'S NAME? WHO WAS, I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT LIKE, WHAT IS THE PROCESS THERE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LEGAL PROCESS OR IS THIS PURELY A PROCESS? WE DECIDE LIKE, AT WHAT POINT DOES THE COMMUNITY SEE

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UM, ALL 20 NAMES OF THE APPLICANTS.

IF, IF YOU, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU, YOU DIRECT ME WHEN, WHEN WE PROVIDE YOU WITH YOUR, UH, PACKET OF APPLICANTS, WE CAN POST THOSE ONLINE AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE AS ACCOUNTS ARE GONNA DECIDE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT MAYBE IN APPLICATION PROCESSES.

BE AWARE AT THE MOMENT IT CLOSES.

YOUR NAME IS PUBLIC.

WELL, IT'S PUBLIC AS SOON AS THEY FILE BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.

IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.

SO DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OBJECTION ON THAT POINT? DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OBJECTION THAT WHEN WE GET THE LIST OF APPLICANTS, THE PUBLIC HYPOTHETICALLY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT SAME LIST? NO ONE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT.

YOU'RE DIRECTED ACCORDINGLY.

SO WE'RE GOOD.

UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

IF I'M RIGHT ON THIS, THERE'LL BE THREE VOTES TAKEN.

IS THAT CORRECT? AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS? DID I COUNT THAT CORRECTLY? COULD YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE DON? UH, YEAH, THIS IS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.

THIS IS SLIDE ONE.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST.

SO YEAH, YOU'LL VOTE TO MOVE AT YOU ON YOUR INITIAL APPLICANT POOL.

YOU'LL, YOU'LL TAKE A VOTE TO DECIDE ON WHO YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW MM-HMM .

FROM YOUR INITIAL APPLICANT POOL.

YOU'LL TAKE A SECOND VOTE ON WHAT, UH, APPLICANTS THAT YOU INTERVIEWED THAT YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO, FINALIST ONE OF THE UP TO THREE FINALISTS.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOU'LL, YOU'LL, I GUESS FOUR VOTES IF YOU COUNT, DIRECTING ME TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY THREE, FOUR VOTES.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS DURING THIS PROCESS, WHO IS ALLOWED TO VOTE? THAT'S ON THOSE FOUR VOTES? THAT'S MIKE.

IS THERE, IS THERE A DEMARCATION THAT WE'RE MAKING OR, I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW PER THE CHARTER, IT SAYS THAT THE, AND I'M, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME TONIGHT, BUT I BELIEVE IT SAYS, I MEAN, SO IS IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT, THAT ALL SEVEN OF US, SEVEN OF US ARE INVOLVED UP TO THAT FINAL COUNT, THAT THAT, WOULD THAT BE THE NEXT TO, WELL, THAT'D BE THE THIRD LINE TECHNICALLY, IF YOU INCLUDE TOTAL, BUT WHERE IT SAYS COUNCIL VOTE ON APPOINTMENT SWEARING IN OF NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, DOES EVERYBODY VOTE ON THE EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT AND THEN THAT'S JUST THE ONE WHERE THE SIX WOULD VOTE? OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT BREAK OUT? JUST FOR, JUST FOR CLARITY, THE OFFICIAL VOTE ON THE APPOINTMENT IS THE LAST STEP.

IF YOU DECIDE OTHERWISE AS A POLICY, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU.

BUT IN TERMS OF PETE'S INTERPRETATION, THE OFFICIAL VOTE, UH, ON THE APPOINTMENT, THE REPLACEMENT IS THE VERY FINAL STEP.

AND THAT'S, SO EVEN THE DIRECT, AND THAT'S, SO EVEN THE DIRECTING COULD HYPOTHETICALLY HAVE MM-HMM .

AGAIN, 'CAUSE THAT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, THE VOTE, THE VOTE IS INDEPENDENT.

YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DIRECTING THE, THE MANAGER TO PUT IT ON AN AGENDA FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

BUT THAT VOTE IS COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OF DIRECTING THE MANAGER TO DO THAT.

SO, SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DON, IS, IS AT A MINIMUM, MAYBE IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY THAT, THAT THAT VOTE HAS TO BE THE SIXTH, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT LAST, THAT COUNCIL VOTE ON APPOINTMENT? YES.

THAT HAS TO BE THE SIXTH.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS UP TO US.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? JUST FOR CLARITY? YEAH.

AND I'M, I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARITY SO THAT WE, I MEAN, TO MAKE FROM A LEGAL CHARTER PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S THE READING OF THE CHARTER.

I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED ON, ON NAMING THE LOAN FINAL, FOR INSTANCE, AND DIRECTING THE MANAGER IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THAT SIX, AND THE, THE PERSON THAT RESIGNED WOULD NOT BE, THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION, NOT A, A LEGAL QUESTION.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, I'M CHIME IN ON THIS.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

IF I MAY, I MEAN, IF, IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, I MEAN, WE UP TILL UP TO THE SECOND OR FOURTH BULLET POINT, ALL OF US ARE PARTICIPATING, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PARTICIPATING.

AND WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT OF IF, IF ONE OF US ARE STEPPING DOWN OR RESIGNING, SHOULD THAT PERSON BE ALLOWED TO HAVE INPUT UP TO THIS POINT AND ALSO A VOTE ON THAT? WELL, THE, THE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING SO FAR, MAYBE YOU'RE ASKING US, BUT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING SO FAR, I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

THEN YOU'RE ASKING US, 'CAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS THE CHARTER SAYS THAT VERY LAST VOTE IS WHAT IT IS, IS IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE TECHNICALLY, UH, IT'S A SIX PERSON VOTE AT THAT POINT, HYPOTHETICALLY MM-HMM .

UH, BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER SOMETHING DIFFERENT NO, I THINK SIX OUTTA SEVEN.

NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS, IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE WHERE YOU WANT US TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE? WELL, I THINK, UM, I, I, I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, I'M JUST, AGAIN, IT COULD BE ME, IT COULD BE ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL.

THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS.

OF COURSE.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE UNETHICAL TO, UH, ADVOCATE AND HAVE AN INTEREST AND INPUT ON BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, FINDING A CANDIDATE, UH, REPLACING YOURSELF.

AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN PERSONALLY DO IT.

I JUST FEEL LIKE

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OR AT LEAST TO A CERTAIN EX, A CERTAIN POINT.

UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND IT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY ETHICAL.

I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT BULLET POINT, I MEAN, I'D SAY THAT FOR ME PERSONALLY, I JUST FEEL LIKE I SHOULD REALLY NOT BE A PART OF THAT.

YOU HAVE TO RECUSE YOURSELF IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY STEPPED DOWN.

YOU, YOU ARE USING TWO WORDS THAT ARE FAIRLY SENSITIVE.

SO I JUST, I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, BUT NO, NO, I GET IT.

I GET IT.

UM, UH, I'LL JUST GO WITH YOU COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE NEXT.

THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE VERY LOADED WORDS.

AND I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.

UM, UH, USING THOSE WORDS, UM, HAVE A CERTAIN CONNOTATION WITH THEM FOR SURE.

OUR CHARTER ADDRESSES THIS ISSUE, AND I'M FINE DEFAULTING TO WHAT OUR CHARTER SAYS, AND IF THE LEGAL ADVICE WE'VE RECEIVED IS THAT IT'S THE LAST VOTE, I THINK IT'S OKAY.

UM, IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS ON THE COUNCIL IN GOOD STANDING, THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE INVOLVED IN THESE CONVERSATIONS BUT NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE LAST VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BARRIOS.

YEAH, I SECOND EVERY WORD COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE JUST SAID, AND WE'LL ADD THAT WE JUST HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE CHARTER.

WE MADE SOME CHANGES THERE AT THE END, OR SUGGESTED CHANGES, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSED AT POINT IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT THE CHARTER STATES.

SO, FAIR ENOUGH.

I, I SECOND WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE SAYS.

IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO COME TO A RESOLUTION, MEANING FOUR PEOPLE WOULD AGREE IN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER ON THIS COUNCIL MEMBER INE YEAH, I DO AGREE.

I MEAN OKAY.

WITH THE PREVIOUS TWO COMMENTS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE PREVIOUS TWO COMMENTS, SO THAT'S THREE.

I DO HAVE COUPLE OTHER PROCEDURES, A DIFFERENT QUESTION, QUESTION, JUST JUST TO PUT A NAIL IN THAT ONE.

I'LL, I'LL AGREE AS WELL.

AND THAT GETS US TO FOUR PEOPLE.

SO, UH, IT MAY BE MORE THAN FOUR, BUT JUST TO GET US TO FOUR AND MOVE ON.

SO GO AHEAD AND GO ON WITH YOUR NEXT COMMENT.

NO, I DO HAVE QUESTION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE APPLYING FOR THAT ONE POSITION, BUT IN CASE WE GET THREE, SO MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SKIPPING THE FIRST INITIAL STEP GOING TO THE MM-HMM .

THAT THREE FINALISTS ALREADY HAPPEN.

I DON'T, UH, UH, UH, UM, SO JUST SO THAT EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE, IF WE ONLY HAD THREE OR IF WE ONLY HAD TWO, WOULD YOU SKIP A NUMBER OF STEPS? I, I PERSONALLY, NOW I THINK WE CAN CONSTRAIN SOME OF THIS, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT ADVOCATE FOR CHANGING THE PROCESS.

I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT'S VALUABLE IN THE WAY THE PROCESS IS SET UP RIGHT NOW IS IT DOES GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BREATHING ROOM IN BETWEEN THESE THINGS TO WHERE IF SOMETHING CAME TO LIGHT OR SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW, UH, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD STILL POTENTIALLY DO TWO SETS OF INTERVIEWS, EVEN IF IT'S TWO PEOPLE.

YOU WOULD INTERVIEW 'EM IN THE FIRST ROUND, YOU'D POSSIBLY GET PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'D INTERVIEW HIM IN THE SECOND ROUND.

THIS IS MY POSITION ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

BUT NO, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, THREE INTERVIEW, RIGHT.

UH, WE CAN SET THAT MINIMUM TWO INTERVIEW IF WE HAVE, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE JUST ONE CANDIDATE, THIS IS ONLY TWO INTERVIEWS, NO INITIAL PREVIOUS PAGE.

WHAT IS THAT PREVIOUS PAGE? YOU DO THE FIRST ROUND INTERVIEW AND THEN YOU PICK WHO YOU WANT TO DO THE FINAL INTERVIEW.

THIS IS ONE INTERVIEW.

AND THEN, UH, YEAH, GO TO THE NEXT, THERE'S THE FINAL RIGHT THERE FINALIST INTERVIEW.

THAT'S IT.

SO I GUESS WE COULD SAY, YEAH, THAT MINIMUM TWO, INTERVIEW THEM.

HYPOTHETICALLY, THE ONLY SCENARIO WHERE THIS GOES A LOT SHORTER IS YOU'VE GOT ONE APPLICANT.

IF YOU HAVE ONE APPLICANT, THEN HYPOTHETICALLY, AND THAT'S JUST NOT UNLIKE IF SOMEONE PUTS THEIR NAME ON THE BALLOT AND THERE'S NO OPPONENT, HYPOTHETICALLY.

AND LIKE THERE'S A SCENARIO WHERE THREE PEOPLE APPLY AND WE ONLY DECIDE TO DO AN INITIAL ROUND OF TWO.

AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THE PROCESS IS THE PROCESS AND WE CAN TWEAK IT IF WE HAVE TO.

YEAH, I AGREE.

THAT'S GREAT.

THE OTHER THING IS, LIKE MY OPINION THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CANDIDATES SHOULD GET THE SIMILAR QUESTION.

UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AND I THINK, I THINK IN ADVANCE OF THESE STEPS, IF, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, WE CAN, WE CAN JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WOULD DELIBERATE IN PRIVATE DURING THE, UH, CLOSED SESSIONS, WE COULD, UH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT IN OPEN MEETING.

WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE QUESTIONS AND WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN? AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO SCORE SOME OF THE, THE PREDEFINED WAY THAT SCORING SOME OF THE QUE, YOU KNOW, UH, CANDIDATES, THAT'S TRICKY.

I MEAN, THAT'S, YEAH.

SO JUST TO BE ON, ON THE SCORING FRONT IS, ARE PEOPLE WANTING SCORING OR ARE WE OKAY WITHOUT SCORING? I'M SEEING THAT THAT'S NOT PUBLIC.

ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, I THINK, NO.

ARE WE GOOD ON ALL THAT? AND DO YOU NEED ANY KIND OF MOTION OR ANYTHING ON THIS ONE, OR ARE YOU GOOD? NO, NO.

I, I WE WILL, YOU'VE GOT THE PROCESS.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME JUST ASK, MAYOR, FOR THE DIRECTION, CAN WE MAKE THESE EDITS AND THEN PUT THAT ON A FUTURE DIN AGENDA TO UPDATE THE, UH, RULES OF WATER AND PROCEED THE SOONEST AGENDA POSSIBLE.

IF THERE'S EVER A NEED FOR IT.

WE'LL GET THAT OUT THERE SO THAT WE'VE GOT THIS RATIFIED AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD

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PERFECT.

TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER 14, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

YEAH, BY THE WAY, LONG, BUT VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DO APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON

[14. CONSENT AGENDA]

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN WE JUST PULL A OFF JUST FOR A YES.

UH, SO THERE'S A, A DESIRE TO, TO TAKE A OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDAS, UM, B ONE, TWO AND THREE.

PERFECT.

THERE IS A MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

SECOND.

A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO, WE'VE

[14.A. CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, BY AMENDING CHAPTER 6 TITLED “BUILDINGS AND BUILDING REGULATIONS” BY AMENDING ARTICLE XIII TITLED “SHORT-TERM RENTALS” BY AMENDING SECTION 6-511 TITLED “DEFINITIONS” BY ADDING A NEW DEFINITION FOR “OPERATE” AND AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF “OWNER”; BY AMENDING SECTION 6-512 TITLED “REGISTRATION PERIOD” BY AMENDING SUBSECTION (A), BY AMENDING SUBSECTION (B) BY ADDING A NEW (B)(7), AND BY ADDING A NEW SUBSECTION (D), BY DELETING SUBSECTION (F) AND BY ADDING A NEW SUBSECTION (G); BY AMENDING SECTION 6-513 TITLED “DESIGNATION OF LOCAL RESPONSIBLE PARTY”; BY AMENDING SECTION 6-514 TITLED “GUEST SAFETY NOTIFICATION AND MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS” BY ADDING A NEW (A)(5); BY ADDING A NEW SECTION 6-516 TITLED “HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX”; BY AMENDING SECTION 6-517 BY AMENDING THE TITLE TO READ AS “REVOCATION OF REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE AND NOTICE” AND ADDING A NEW 6-517(A) AND AMENDING 6-517 (B) AND 6-517 (C); BY ADDING A NEW SECTION 6-518 TITLED “INITIAL APPEAL OF REVOCATION”; BY ADDING A NEW SECTION 6-519 TITLED “FINAL APPEAL TO CITY MANAGER”; BY ADDING A NEW SECTION 6-520 TITLED “OFFENSES”; BY ADDING A NEW SECTION 6-521 TITLED “ENFORCEMENT”.]

PULLED A OFF.

SO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A YEAH, SORRY.

I, THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME CHANGES THAT WERE BEING MADE.

THERE WERE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THAT WE POSED.

AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE MR. MAGNER AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF ADDRESS THAT.

I'VE RECEIVED FOLLOW UP EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS.

AND SO, UM, JUST IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT BEFORE WE BOTH, SO THAT FOLKS KNOW THIS ISN'T THE LAST THING WE'RE DOING.

UM, YEAH, WE, UM, BASED ON YOUR GUIDANCE AND, UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, EXPLORING THE, UH, PROS AND CONS OF A MORATORIUM, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US, UM, TO, UH, ONE, UH, IMPLEMENT THE NEW SOFTWARE THAT WAS, UH, DESCRIBED DURING THE PRE PRIOR BRIEFING, AND THEN ALLOW US TO, UH, GAIN A BETTER APPRECIATION FOR THE FULL EXTENT OF S STR R IN THE CITY.

UH, AND THEN, UH, ROLL THAT INTO, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF POTENTIAL, UH, DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS OR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SDR R SO THAT, UH, WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU VERY, VERY SOON.

UM, IT WOULD BE NEXT WEEK IF WE HAD A MEETING.

SO, UH, IT'D BE THE, THE WEEK AFTER, UH, FOR, UH, LEGAL BRIEFING WITH YOU ON THAT TOPIC.

UH, IN ADDITION, UH, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, UH, A GOOD QUESTION EARLIER, UH, REGARDING, UH, THE OCCUPANCY STANDARDS.

AND SO THE OCCUPANCY STANDARDS THAT I MENTIONED THAT WE CAN APPLY HERE, THAT THINGS, UH, NUM TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, OCCUPANTS BASED ON THINGS LIKE, UM, LIVING, SLEEPING, DINING AREA, UM, AMOUNT OF, UH, SUNLIGHT, ALL THE METRICS THAT ARE IN OUR MINIMUM PROPERTY STANDARDS.

ALL OF THOSE ARE, UM, OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 18 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

AND ALL OF THOSE ARE APPLICABLE JUST LIKE OUR PARKING RESTRICTIONS, WHICH ARE IN A DIFFERENT CHAPTER, ARE APPLICABLE OR, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

AND SO, UM, WHILE THEY AREN'T OPERATIONALIZED IN THIS ORDINANCE, THERE ARE MANY, UM, CODE, UH, UH, FEATURES THAT WE ARE ABLE TO APPLY HERE THAT, UM, THAT WILL BE APPLICABLE UPON THE ADOPTION OF THIS, UH, REVISED ORDINANCE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER JUSTICE.

YEAH, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT TO AGENDA ITEM A AS PUBLIC.

ARE MOVING ON TO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN, WRITER.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

UH, SECOND BY COUNT.

UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND WE

[15. REPORT ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ]

ANYONE DO ANYTHING INTERESTING RECENTLY? WOW.

WHAT? ZERO IN? OH, YES.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

YEAH, JUST, UM, LOOKING FORWARD, UM, I USED THE SPRING BREAK TO GO ON A, A TRIP, SO I, UH, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT ON WHAT I DID, BUT LOOKING FORWARD, THE COMMUNITY, THE HEALTHIER TEXAS COMMUNITY CHALLENGE IS STILL GOING.

WE'RE DOING FANTASTIC IN THAT WE HAVE, I THINK UNTIL SUNDAY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.

UM, SO THERE'S STILL TIME FOR YOU TO EARN POINTS.

UH, AND JOIN US ON SATURDAY FOR OUR COMMUNITY WALK AT HUFFINES, UM, TO CELEBRATE THE END OF, UM, THE HEALTHIER TEXAS COMMUNITY CHALLENGE.

AWESOME.

UH, ANYONE? COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

UH, JUST REAL QUICK, SINCE WE DIDN'T MEET LAST MONDAY, UM, SOME POINT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THE PARKS COMMISSION DID MEET AND JUST HAD A VERY QUICK HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON PARKS OPERATIONS AND OF COURSE THE ANNUAL BUDGET LETTER, WHICH THEY HAVE FINALIZED, AND, UM, SHOULD BE HITTING OUR DESKS AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS.

ALRIGHT, UM, I'LL MENTION, UM, I GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED.

UM, BUT, UH, I THINK IN AN EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO CORNER THE MARKET ON ALL THINGS PAGEANT AND OR PAGEANT ADJACENT, UH, WE HAD THE TEXAS ROSE COMPETITION, UH, AND WE WERE GRACED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY.

I WAS GRACED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET BOTH THE SITTING TEXAS ROWS, UH, AS WELL AS THE INTERNATIONAL ROWS OF TRE LEE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A COMPETITION, UM, OF A NUMBER OF, UH, EXCEPTIONAL, UH, YOUNG LADIES WHO HAVE IRISH DESCENDANCY AS I UNDERSTOOD IT.

AND, UM, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T CALL IT A PAGEANT, THAT'S THE CLOSEST COMPARISON YOU COULD MAKE.

UM, AND, UH, REALLY, REALLY COOL EVENT, UH, AT THE EISMAN, UH, NOT AT THE EISMAN, BUT ACTUALLY AT THE RENAISSANCE AND WOW

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ABOUT THE RENAISSANCE.

AS I'M MEETING THESE PEOPLE WHO'VE TAKEN A GOOD PART OF THE RENAISSANCE, ALSO HAPPENING AT THE RENAISSANCE AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, WAS A, UM, UH, A WONDERFUL, UM, UH, WOMEN'S STEM PROGRAM THAT WAS GOING ON DOWN THERE, UH, AT THE RENAISSANCE, A A FULL FLEDGED BIG OLD EVENT.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAD, I THINK, HUNDREDS OF APPLICANTS TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS, UH, UM, UH, TO BECOME OUR, SOME OF OUR NEXT FIREFIGHTERS WERE ALL IN A TESTING ROOM.

SO IN THAT ONE LITTLE STRETCH, YOU HAD THESE THREE DIFFERENT REALLY DIFFERENT EVENTS GOING ON, ALL OF WHICH, UH, REALLY SHOWCASED THE, UM, UH, THE RENAISSANCE QUITE WELL.

UH, SO I THINK OF THE THINGS THAT I CAN SPEAK OF, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT, UH, WAS PRETTY NOTABLE.

MAYOR? YES.

COULD I TAKE YOU JUST A SECOND? YES, OF COURSE.