Apr 20, 2026 City Council Work Session

[CALL TO ORDER]

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RICHARDSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER AT 6 P.M. WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM A, WHICH ARE PUBLIC

[A. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND VISITORS FORUM]

AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING. MISS NEMER. NATALIE FRITCHIE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. MY NAME IS NATALIE FRITCHIE OF 1807 WYNDCLIFFE DRIVE, AND I'M A BOARD MEMBER FOR THE RICHARDSON COMMUNITY BAND. AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MAY IS A STANDOUT MONTH FOR THE COMMUNITY BAND.

WE HAVE THREE CONCERTS PLANNED AND THAT WE'RE PREPARING FOR, AND I'M HOPING THAT WITH THAT BUSY SCHEDULE, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN FIND ONE OF THOSE DATES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US AND, AND OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THREE CONCERTS WE'RE PREPARING FOR, EACH ONE OF THESE IS UNIQUE TO ANY OF THE CONCERTS FROM THE REST OF THE YEAR. ON MAY 3RD AT 3 P.M. AT EISEMANN CENTER, WE HAVE OUR EISEMANN CONCERT SERIES FINALE. WHERE WE'LL CELEBRATE THE WINNER OF OUR GEORGE W JONES SCHOLARSHIP AND SAY, YOUNG RICHARDSON STUDENT.

AND WE'LL ALSO CELEBRATE MUSIC WITH VIDEO GAMES FROM VIDEO GAMES, ANIME AND COMIC HEROES.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY OKAY IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO COME IN COSTUME. SO. AND ON MAY 13TH IS OUR SPRING CONCERT AT THE SENIOR CENTER. AND. BUT BEFORE THE CONCERT, BETWEEN 6 AND 730, WE'RE HAVING OUR SCHOLARSHIP FUNDRAISER TO PREPARE FOR NEXT YEAR. AND IT'S HARD TO BEAT A $5 CHICKEN SANDWICH MEAL FOLLOWED BY FREE MUSIC. SO I HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US MAYBE FOR THAT NIGHT. AND THEN AT 7 P.M. ON MAY 24TH, WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE RICHARDSON COMMUNITY CHORALE FOR OUR MEMORIAL DAY CONCERT THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A SPECIAL CELEBRATION OF OUR 250 YEARS.

WONDERFUL MUSIC WITH THE VOICES OF THE COMMUNITY, CROWL AND THE INSTRUMENTALIST OF THE COMMUNITY BAND. AND THEN I DO KNOW IF YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE THOSE THREE, OUR FRIENDS AT THE RICHARDSON COMMUNITY CHORALE HAVE THEIR CONCERT ON MAY 1ST. THE CELTIC VOICES, AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO JOIN THEM. AND THAT'S THE LAST THING I JUST WANT TO SAY. THANKS TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALL OF THE STAFF AND THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, FOR ALL THE MANY WAYS YOU SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY BAND, IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF MEMBERS LIKE MYSELF. BUT THE COMMUNITY GETTING TO ATTEND THESE EVENTS FREE OF CHARGE IS JUST A REAL BLESSING. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU, MISS FRITCHIE. NO FURTHER CARDS.

MAYOR, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LOOKING TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL

[B. REVIEW AND DISCUSS UPDATE ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS]

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BACK ON MARCH 2ND OF THIS YEAR, THE COUNCIL EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE HAD HERE WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON. WE WANT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ARE THE TOTAL NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE, AND ALSO LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ANY AREAS WHERE THERE ARE PARTICULAR CLUSTERS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, IN PARTICULAR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'VE HAD SOME CITIZENS MAKE COMMENTS AS IT RELATED TO CLUSTERING. WE'VE ALSO HAD I KNOW SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED COMMUNICATIONS FROM CITIZENS AS IT RELATES TO THE CONCERNS OF CLUSTERING OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IN PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED WHAT ARE SOME OTHER NEGATIVE OR SECONDARY EFFECTS THAT WE WANT TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON AS IT RELATES TO SHORT TERM RENTALS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE TEMPORARY IN NATURE. AND DO THEY, DO THEY IMPACT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH THESE SECONDARY EFFECTS, WHETHER THAT'S UNREASONABLE NOISE, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. SHOULD RECALL, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF. WE DID NOT HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AS IT RELATED TO THOSE IN PARTICULAR. BUT WE ALSO DID DISCUSS ISSUES SUCH AS PARKING AND TRASH, WHICH WERE SOME ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH OUR WITH OUR TEMPORARY SHORT, WITH OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WITH OUR REGULAR RESIDENTIAL HOMES. AND THE QUESTION THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE COUNCIL AND ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT AND BRING BACK WAS, IF A TEMPORARY PROHIBITION ON STRS IS PRUDENT TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION BEFORE EVALUATING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS WHETHER OR NOT A TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY PROHIBITION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD ASSIST US IN GATHERING MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE LOCATION CLUSTERING OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. OBVIOUSLY, TEMPORARY PROHIBITION IS NOT A NEW CONCEPT. THERE ARE OTHER CITIES IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE DONE A TEMPORARY PROHIBITION EXACTLY FOR THIS SAME REASON. AND WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FINDINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO FIND AS FAR AS BEING NECESSARY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION, IS, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO TIE THAT TEMPORARY PROHIBITION TO A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE.

AND WHAT IS THAT PURPOSE AND HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS TO BE JUSTIFIED? FINDINGS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLAINTS OF THE COLLECTION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IN CERTAIN CITY NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMPLAINTS AS IT RELATES TO THAT. AGAIN, CLUSTERING CAN HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. DETERMINATION THAT A FAIR AND BALANCED REGULATORY FRAMEWORK PERMITTING STR IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THEY DO NOT BECOME CLUSTERED AND THUS CAUSING A NUISANCE. AND THEN THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE THEY NEGATIVELY IMPACT IMPACTING THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE OF ESSENTIALLY THAT THEY ARE TEMPORARY IN NATURE. SO THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE FINDINGS. SO TAKING TAKING THE IDEA OF DOING A TEMPORARY PROHIBITION, HERE'S THE FRAMEWORK AROUND WHAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE OR WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. OBVIOUSLY, THESE ARE THESE ARE UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT THE APPLICABILITY FOR THIS TEMPORARY PROHIBITION WOULD BE WE WOULD PROHIBIT NEW SHORT TERM RENTALS IN ANY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT, DUPLEX, PATIO, HOME DISTRICTS, BASICALLY ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO THAT WOULD BE ANY NEW SHORT TERM RENTALS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU COULD NOT COME IN AND REGISTER. IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING AND THOSE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING. THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE DURING THIS POTENTIAL DURING THIS TEMPORARY PROHIBITION PERIOD. THE DURATION OF THIS PROHIBITION WOULD BE FOR 90 DAYS, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO COLLECT DATA. B, A NEW SOFTWARE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE NUMBER AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, AGAIN, WHERE THEY ARE IN THESE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, IF THE DATA INDICATES A FURTHER NEED FOR ANALYSIS, THEN WE COULD ALSO EXTEND THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION PAST THE 90 DAYS TO ALLOW FOR A MORE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY. SO AGAIN, THE KEY IS TAKING THE 90 DAYS AND COLLECTING THE DATA TO DETERMINE WHERE ARE THESE LOCATED AND WHAT ARE THESE. WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY? SO AGAIN, WE'LL CONDUCT THE STUDY. ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE BECAUSE OF THE CLUSTERING, THE NUMBERS DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT PUTTING A TOTAL CAP ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHETHER IT'S A BLOCK, WHETHER IT'S WITHIN THE CITY, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED. ONCE WE GET THE DATA BACK, WHAT WE WILL ALLOW FOR, AND THIS, I THINK, IS IMPORTANT FOR THOSE OUT THERE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT OPERATING A SHORT TERM RENTAL IS WILL ALLOW FOR A 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD BEFORE WE START THIS TEMPORARY PROHIBITION. SO

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OUR STAFF IS OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, ONE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION. I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THINK OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE BOTH RESPONSIBLE AND RESPONSIVE. YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T AGAINST STRS OR THE MANY RESPONSIBLE INVOLVED OWNERS. IT'S REALLY INTENDED TO GET US THE DATA THAT WE NEED. AND SO FOR STAFF, I MEAN, IN ADDITION, WITH THIS TIMETABLE, SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF POSSIBLE, AND YOU CAN ANSWER ME IF THIS IS POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT ALSO FINDING A WAY TO SORT OF RERUN THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD ON THE COMPLAINTS THAT WERE PRESENTED EARLIER. ONCE, ONCE WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE PROPERTIES LISTED THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTUALLY SHORT TERM RENTALS. YEAH, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE'S A STRATEGY FOR TRYING TO GO BACK AND CROSS REFERENCE BOTH CODE AND PD DATA WITH PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD UNDER THE NEW WHETHER IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PERFECTLY COMPLETE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT WOULD BE A BETTER REPRESENTATION THAN WHAT WE SHARED PREVIOUSLY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING. I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK THAT ADOPTING THIS PROHIBITION, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS US TO BE ROBUST, ALLOWS US TO LOOK FORWARD AND ADOPT RESPONSIBLE REGULATIONS THAT RESPECT PROPERTY RIGHTS, WHILE ALSO BEING RESPONSIVE TO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE COME TO US WITH CONCERNS. AND SO THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY MATURE, RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. COUNCILMEMBER JUSTICE, THANK YOU. I THINK COUNCILMAN CORCORAN SAID IT REALLY WELL ABOUT THE BALANCE THAT'S BEING STRUCK HERE. I THINK SINCE JOINING THE COUNCIL, THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT I'VE RECEIVED EMAILS ABOUT AND IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT. IT'S NEVER STOPPED. EVEN AFTER WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE AND A RECENTLY RELATED TO CLUSTERS, AS YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I KNOW IN OWENS PARK, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THEM AND BEHIND THEM, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAME AND SPOKE WHEN WE WERE PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION OF A FEW WEEKS AGO. AND SO I KNOW THAT CLUSTERING IS HAPPENING, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO COLLECT THE DATA AND UNDERSTAND IF IT JUST JUST SO HAPPENS WE HAVE TWO PRETTY CLOSE TO US HERE OR IF IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY. SO AS I SAID, I THINK COUNCILMAN CORCORAN'S POINTS WERE RIGHT ON. SO I'LL STOP THERE. BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND I THINK IT STRIKES A GOOD BALANCE. COUNCILMEMBER MURPHY, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOU KNOW, THIS IS I THINK I AGREE WITH THIS, BUT I WISH WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT 30 DAYS GRACE PERIOD, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHOEVER IS THINKING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO JUST EXPEDITE AND PROBABLY REGISTER. AND THEN BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T REALLY WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO SHORT TERM FROM NEXT MONTH. SO AND THEN THEY WILL COME BACK AFTER 30 DAYS, AFTER 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER TIME IT TAKES. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I THINK WE CAN STILL FIND OUT HOW MANY NEW REGISTRATIONS CAME ON BOARD BETWEEN LIKE 31ST, 30 DAYS. WE WILL HAVE THAT RECORD, RIGHT? WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL DURING THIS GRACE PERIOD HOW MANY REGISTRATIONS WE RECEIVED. YES. I THINK CONSIDERING ALL THE, YOU KNOW, CONDITION AND OTHER LIMITED, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL, I THINK THIS IS THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST WE CAN DO SO FAR. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL.

COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, LIKE OTHERS, I THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE MENTIONED IS SOMETHING I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SINCE THE DAY I GOT ELECTED. I KNOW I'VE EXPERIENCED SOME ISSUES WITHIN OUR OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT'S MANY TIMES I THINK THIS WILL GO TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REGISTER THOSE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN REGISTERED, BECAUSE AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN. A LOT OF THE ONES THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS ARE THE ONES THAT AREN'T REGISTERED. SO, SO THIS WILL HELP US KIND OF GET A HANDLE AND LOOK AT THINGS.

WHILE I PERSONALLY WISH WE COULD GO FURTHER WITH IT, THE REALITY IS IT'S A GOOD BALANCE

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THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN. THANK YOU. YEAH, ACTUALLY, THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT IF WE COULD REACH OUT TO, YOU KNOW, AND AIRBNB TO SEE IF WE CAN COLLECT DATA FROM THEM TO SEE WHO HAS REGISTERED, IF THEY CAN POTENTIALLY GIVE THAT INFORMATION OUT. I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF THE 90 DAYS AND THE 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD. I MEAN, I THINK EVEN 30 TO 45 DAYS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD GRACE PERIOD AS WELL TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, TO REGISTER AND COME FORWARD.

THERE'LL BE THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT, BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE POTENTIALLY GOING TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THAT AS AN STR. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE DECLUSTERING. I KNOW THAT EVEN IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE A LOT OF CLUSTERED AREAS, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US CONCENTRATE ON THAT. SO I DO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK BASED ON ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE TO BRING. YEAH. I THINK JOE'S LAST SLIDE HERE IS, IF SO DIRECTED, WE'LL PUT THIS ORDINANCE ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA. I BELIEVE YOU ARE SO DIRECTED. SO WE'LL MOVE ON. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THANK YOU JOE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON

[C. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE STREETS AND ALLEYS MAINTENANCE STRATEGIES]

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AND TYPICALLY YOU'RE JUST FOCUSED ON KIND OF PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AT THIS PHASE TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WATER OUT, PRESERVE THE SURFACE INTEGRITY AND KIND OF ADDRESS ANY ISOLATED ISSUES THAT MAY POP UP PRETTY QUICKLY. FOR GOOD STREETS. IT'S GENERALLY CONSIDERED THAT ASPHALT OVERLAYS ARE PREMATURE AND NOT COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOG TO GET THAT LIFE OUT OF THE THE CONCRETE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO PROBABLY GOING IN AND RIGHT AFTER YOU HAVE A STREET THAT'S BEEN REDONE IMMEDIATELY, PUTTING ASPHALT DOWN DOESN'T DO MUCH TO, TO EXTEND, EXTEND THE LIFE TYPICALLY. SO SOME POTENTIAL SHORT TERM STRATEGIES WOULD BE, AGAIN, YOUR TYPICAL MORE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ITEMS SUCH AS CRACK AND JOINT SEALING, PAVEMENT, LEVELING THROUGH FOAMING OR MUDJACKING OR JOINT GRINDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JOINTS ARE SMOOTH BETWEEN DIFFERENT PANELS. POTENTIAL LONG TERM STRATEGIES COULD BE TREATMENTS TO SEAL THE SURFACE LAYER AND PRESERVE PAVEMENT LIFE FOR ASPHALT STREETS. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TREATMENTS YOU CAN DO TO ASPHALT TO KIND OF KEEP WATER OUT, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T DEGRADE AS AS QUICKLY AS YOU MOVE DOWN INTO THE FARE CATEGORY. THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING FROM PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE TO KIND OF PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION TO RESTORE THE STRUCTURAL CAPACITY AND MANAGE THE DECLINE UNTIL RECONSTRUCTION. SO HERE, YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF THE SAME PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THINGS, PARTICULARLY ON THE UPPER END OF THE FAIR SPECTRUM. BUT THEN YOU START TO INTRODUCE THINGS LIKE LOCALIZED PANEL REPLACEMENT FOR CONCRETE STREETS OR SURFACE PATCHING FOR FOR ASPHALT STREETS. AND THEN MORE LONG TERM STRATEGIES ARE TARGETED USE OF ASPHALT OVERLAYS WITH WITH PRE OVERLAY REPAIRS. SO YOU GO IN ON CONCRETE STREETS, YOU MAY FIX SOME PANELS THAT THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO CONSIDER ASPHALT OVERLAYS, OVERLAYS TO PRESERVE THE LIFE, BUT ALSO OVERLAYS OF ASPHALT STREETS WITH PANEL REPLACEMENT AS NEEDED. FOR POOR PAVEMENT. THIS IS AGAIN WHERE THE FAILURES HAVE BECOME WIDESPREAD. AND YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT FINDING STRATEGIES TO HOLD THE PAVEMENT UNTIL YOU CAN HAVE A PROJECT TO TO RECONSTRUCT. AND SO YOUR, YOUR FOCUSING ON SAFETY OVER READABILITY AND KIND OF TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE SUNK COST INTO TO A BAD STREET, BUT ALSO KEEP IT, KEEP IT SAFE. SIMILARLY TO, TO, TO, TO GOOD STREETS, IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY NOT CONSIDERED A VIABLE STRATEGY TO DO ASPHALT ON POOR STREETS JUST BECAUSE WHATEVER STRUCTURALLY IS WRONG WITH, WITH THE CONCRETE UNDER, UNDER THE ASPHALT, IF YOU DON'T FIX THE, THE UNDERLYING STRUCTURAL ISSUES, THOSE ISSUES WILL VERY QUICKLY START SHOWING IN THE ASPHALT. SO YOU MAY GET 1 TO 3 YEARS OUT OF THE ASPHALT, BUT THEN, BUT THEN YOU'LL START TO SEE THE SAME ISSUES THAT YOU HAD PRIOR TO THE ASPHALT OVERLAY. SO SOME SHORT TERM STRATEGIES WOULD BE VERY LOCALIZED PANEL REPLACEMENT OR FULL DEPTH ASPHALT PATCHING, FILLING POTHOLES WITH ASPHALT. AGAIN, UNTIL YOU CAN KIND OF HOLD THE STREET, UNTIL YOU CAN GET TO THE LONGER TERM STRATEGIES OF EXTENSIVE PANEL REPLACEMENT. IF IF UTILITIES ARE IN GOOD CONDITION, YOU DON'T NEED TO GET UNDER THE STREET TO TO MESS WITH UTILITIES OR LOOK AT FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY.

SO THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF, OF EVERYTHING THAT I JUST MENTIONED ON ONE SLIDE. WE ADDED THE FUNDING SOURCE AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL GENERALLY SEE THAT THE SHORT TERM STRATEGIES ARE ALL GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS, EITHER OUT OF THE STREET DEPARTMENTS, DEPARTMENT BUDGET OR CAP PROJECTS IN SOME CASES. AND THEN THE LONGER TERM STRATEGIES AS AS YOU'RE IN THE

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AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S, THAT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL STREETS. GETTING INTO THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES OF ASPHALT. SO WE'VE KIND OF GENERALIZED HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT, BUT THERE'S KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL OVERLAY APPROACH WHERE YOU MILL OFF THE TOP LAYER OF CONCRETE OR EXISTING ASPHALT, IF THERE IS ANY, YOU ADDRESS ANY OF THE FAILED CONCRETE PANELS UNDERNEATH THE ASPHALT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING BACK WITH A ONE AND A HALF TO TWO INCH APPLICATION OF ASPHALT ON TOP OF THE CONCRETE. THAT'S WHAT WE UTILIZE AROUND THE CITY. THAT'S BEEN OUR HISTORIC APPROACH. THERE IS ANOTHER APPROACH THAT, AS I MENTIONED AT THE BOTTOM HERE, PLANO IS UTILIZING, AND IT'S GOTTEN SOME ATTENTION RECENTLY WHERE YOU DO A SIMILAR THING, WHERE YOU MILL OFF ANY EXISTING ASPHALT, REPLACE THE UNDERLYING CONCRETE, BUT THEN RATHER THAN HAVING A THICK APPLICATION OF ASPHALT, THERE'S A SPECIALIZED BONDING AGENT THAT YOU USE THAT THAT SEALS THE CONCRETE AND BONDS THE ASPHALT TO THE CONCRETE, AND THAT ALLOWS THEM TO INSTALL JUST ABOUT A THREE QUARTER INCH THIN, IF YOU WILL, OF ASPHALT ON TOP OF THE BONDING AGENT AND CONCRETE. PLANO HAS BEEN DOING THIS. I MENTIONED AS I, AS IT SAYS SINCE 2017, THEY'VE APPLIED IT ON THEIR MAJOR ROADWAYS. THEY'RE STILL RELATIVELY EARLY IN IN THAT PROCESS. THEY HAVEN'T MADE A FULL ORBIT YET THROUGH THE CITY OR HAVE ANY AREAS WHERE THEY'VE KIND OF MADE IT THROUGH THE FIRST ROUND OF, OF THE LIFE OF THIS THIN OVERLAY TO KIND OF MILL THAT UP AND SEE WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE CONCRETE IS UNDERNEATH. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EARLY TO DETERMINE THE IMPACT. AND IF THIS IS A VIABLE OPTION FOR, FOR, FOR US GETTING IN TO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A KIND OF DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO APPROACHES. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE THICKNESS OF THE ASPHALT. THE THIN ASPHALT DOES HAVE A LONGER LIFESPAN. GOING BACK TO KIND OF THAT SEALANT THAT'S USED IN THE BONDING AGENT GIVES IT A BIT MORE LIFE. PLANO'S FIRST, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS, THEY TALKED ABOUT TEN YEARS. THEY'RE PUSHING IT TO 15. SO IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT UNPROVEN AS TO EXACTLY HOW LONG IT WILL LAST. SO THAT'S WHY WE SAY ABOUT 15 YEARS. ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS HERE TOO, IS THAT TRADITIONAL ASPHALT APPLICATIONS CONTRACTORS THAT DO THAT ARE VERY COMMON. THAT'S THAT'S WIDELY USED IN THE MARKETPLACE. THIN PLANO IS THE ONLY CITY THAT'S THAT'S DOING THIS IN THE AREA. THE FIRST TIME THEY PUT THIS OUT FOR BID, THEY GOT ONE BID. THEY'VE BID IT. I THINK THEY BID IT OUT THREE TIMES. NOW THEY'RE UP TO THREE BIDDERS. BUT STILL THAT'S A VERY KIND OF SMALL MARKET FOR FOR CONTRACTORS THAT DO THIS BASED ON THE APPROACH, THE FOR THIN, IT'S A VERY SMALL WINDOW WHEN YOU CAN DO THIS. SO THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR MONTHS IN THE SPRING AND THE FALL WHEN THE TEMPERATURES ARE JUST RIGHT.

AND ALSO IT'S PREFERRED TO DO IT AT NIGHT. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONSIDERATION, WHICH AGAIN, KIND OF LIMITS THE POOL OF CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THIS. WHEREAS IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO DO THE TRADITIONAL ASPHALT. WE TALK ABOUT IMPACT TO DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STREETS, WHEN YOU APPLY A TWO INCH ASPHALT LAYER ON TOP OF A STREET, THAT CAN IMPACT THE DRAINAGE ABILITY FOR THAT STREET, THERE'S SOME STRATEGIES YOU CAN DO TO MINIMIZE THAT, BUT IT IS A CONSIDERATION THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING A TRADITIONAL ASPHALT OVERLAY, WHEREAS WITH THE THINNER LAYER, THAT'S NOT AS MUCH OF OF AN ISSUE. THE, THE, ONE OF THE OTHER DIFFERENCES OR KIND OF HOW THIS ALL, ALL ADDS UP IS THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE COST PER MILE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT, AGAIN, ASSUMING ON OUR MAJOR STREETS, A SIX LANE ROAD FOR ONE MILE OF TRADITIONAL ASPHALT, WE'RE SEEING, IT'S ABOUT A HALF $1 MILLION TO DO TO, TO A MILE, SIX LANES FOR A MILE VERSUS WITH THE THIN ASPHALT LOOKING AT AT PLANO'S BID INFORMATION AND KIND OF AVERAGING IT OUT, WE'RE THINKING PROBABLY ABOUT $1.1 MILLION PER MILE. SO ALMOST OR OVER DOUBLE THE COST, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, TO KIND OF PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, IF WE WANTED TO TAKE A SIMILAR APPROACH TO PLANO AND KIND OF COVER ALL OF OUR

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AND SO THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR WHATEVER ASPHALT OVERLAY YOU'RE DOING TO REDUCE WHATEVER CONCRETE PANEL MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE BY SOME AMOUNT GREATER THAN THE COST OF THE OVERLAY PROGRAM IN THE LONG TERM. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE, THE, THE BALANCE IS. AND JUST, JUST KIND OF FOR COMPARISON, A PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, RENNER ROAD, WE'RE DOING PANEL REPLACEMENT FROM US 75 EAST TO BRAND. THAT'S ABOUT 4.9 MILES. AND WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT $550,000 ON SELECT PANEL REPLACEMENT. THAT'S ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TO 2% OF THE AREA OF CONCRETE. SO $550,000 FOR FOR CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT BASED ON THAT LENGTH, APPLYING THE INFORMATION FROM THE LAST SLIDE AND ASPHALT OVERLAY WOULD COST ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF TO $5.4 MILLION, DEPENDING ON WHICH APPLICATION YOU WANTED TO USE WITH A LIFE EXPECTANCY AGAIN BETWEEN 10 AND 15 YEARS. SO THE THE BET YOU'RE MAKING REALLY IS, IS THAT THE ASPHALT OVERLAY WOULD PREVENT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $2.5 MILLION TO $5.4 MILLION IN CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT OVER THAT PERIOD. AND BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE CONDITION OF RENDER, WE DON'T WE DON'T SEE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF TO $5.4 MILLION IN CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT IS LIKELY OVER THE NEXT DECADE OR SO. SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO, TO STAFF. AND THEN JUST AGAIN, COMPREHENSIVELY, IF YOU LOOKED AT ASPHALT PROGRAM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE DOLLARS THAN, THAN WE'VE HISTORICALLY ALLOCATED TO ASPHALT PROGRAMS. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT WE'D HAVE TO MAKE. SO ALL THAT BOILS DOWN TO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S NOT TYPICALLY CONSIDERED COST EFFECTIVE TO PLACE ASPHALT ON GOOD STREETS. SO WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND TO APPLY TO GOOD STREETS. AND SIMILARLY, BECAUSE THERE'S STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT ARE, THAT ARE UNADDRESSED ON POOR STREETS, WE ALSO WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ASPHALT ON POOR STREETS. FAIR STREETS, YOU KNOW, COULD MAKE SENSE IN CERTAIN CASES, BUT IT'S KIND OF TOO SOON TO TELL, WE THINK SO. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO WAIT A FEW YEARS BEFORE CONSIDERING EXPANDING AN ASPHALT PROGRAM TO FAIR STREETS. THIS LETS US REVIEW THE IMPACT OF THE 2026 BOND PROGRAM. WE HAVE THE $5 MILLION A YEAR FOR PANEL REPLACEMENT. LET'S SEE WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS ON ON ROADWAY QUALITY. CONSIDER THE WORKLOAD IMPLICATIONS BOTH ON STAFF AND ON THE COMMUNITY OF THAT ADDITIONAL WORK THAT THAT CALLS FOR, AND ALSO ALLOW MORE TIME FOR THE CITY OF PLANO TO ASSESS THE RESULTS OF, OF THEIR OVERLAY PROGRAM, TO KIND OF PROVE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, CONTINUE WITH MIL AND OVERLAYS ON STREETS WHERE ASPHALT OVERLAYS CURRENTLY EXIST. SO KEEP MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ASPHALT STREETS. TONIGHT, WE'LL TAKE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK ON THAT RECOMMENDATION AND THEN USE THAT TO, AS DON MENTIONED EARLIER, PREPARE THE STREET AND ALLEY DEEP DIVE PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSIONS DURING THE BUDGET LATER THIS THIS SUMMER. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR. GOUGH, JUST A QUESTION ON THAT LAST SLIDE. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF WAITING FOR CITY OF PLANO'S TO ASSESS THE RESULTS. I'M CURIOUS WHY WE CARE, GIVEN YOUR PRIOR SLIDE, ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS AND MORE COMPLICATED. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE IMPLICATION, BUT BUT I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING POINT. BUT DO WE REALLY THINK IN THE FUTURE WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO PAY DOUBLE TO TO HAVE LESS ASPHALT? I THINK WE'RE SKEPTICAL, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO TO DATA. SO SINCE THERE IS KIND OF A TEST CASE, JUST JUST TO THE NORTH OF US, WE'RE WE WOULDN'T IGNORE IT. SO WE TAKE IT AS A DATA POINT. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH.

I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WERE SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE HOPING TO MAYBE USE THAT PRODUCT IN THE FUTURE. BUT REALLY, IT'S JUST A DATA POINT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE OVER TIME, IF, IF, IF PLANO CONTINUES TO DO THIS AND OTHER CITIES ADOPT IT, MORE PEOPLE GET INTO THE MARKET AND IT BECOMES MORE COST EFFECTIVE. MAYBE SOMETHING CHANGES IN THE MARKET. THAT'S THAT'S JUST WHAT THAT'S LEAVING THE POSSIBILITY OPEN TO. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. AND SO IT'S GOOD TO TO WATCH. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER DORAN THANK YOU CHARLES THANK YOU. I, I ALWAYS FIND IT INTERESTING TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ASPHALT VERSUS THE BONDING. AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, I DO SUPPORT THE ASPHALT. I THINK IT WON MANAGES A NICER, SMOOTHER RIDE.

IT LOOKS MORE ATTRACTIVE. THE COST DIFFERENCE. I KNOW THIS WAS ALREADY BROUGHT UP BY COUNCILMAN JUSTUS COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE, BUT THE 1.1 MILLION IS THAT IS THAT THE 15 YEAR MARK?

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SO TYPICALLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A PREMIUM PAID FOR NIGHT WORK, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. OKAY, SO IT'S THE NIGHT WORK AS WELL. YEAH. SO, SO IS THERE A REASON WHY IT CAN'T BE DONE DURING THE DAY? I THINK IT'S MAINLY TEMPERATURE BASED. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE TEMPERATURE NOT TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SUN VERSUS CLOUDY CONDITIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. I GET THAT I DO, I DO SUPPORT THIS THOUGH. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BARRIOS. THANK YOU.

MAYOR CHARLES, I WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP SLIDE PLEASE? THAT WE CONTINUE TO ASPHALT INS THE PURPLE STREETS, WHICH IS WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT.

CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO IN THE STREETS THAT ARE NOT PURPLE, LET'S SAY IN THE FAR EASTERN SIDE WHERE IT'S GREEN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO TO THERE? ARE WE GOING TO BASICALLY THE APPROACH THAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING WITH STREET MAINTENANCE WHERE WE WE DO THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THAT WE CAN. AND THEN THROUGH EITHER OUR ANNUAL PROGRAMS OR JUST LOCALIZED PANEL REPLACEMENT ADDRESS THOSE CONCRETE STREETS THAT WAY, PLUS THE $5 MILLION POTENTIALLY FROM THE ANNUALLY FROM THE 2026 BOND PROGRAM. OKAY. YOU MADE A ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS THAT I'M KIND OF CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE IN, AS YOU KNOW, IS ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE AND WE HAVE SOME OF THIS ASPHALT OVERLAY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT WAS THE DRAINAGE CONCERN WITH ASPHALT? HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE THAT AS A CONCERN ON THE DRAINAGE. YEAH. SO, SO TYPICALLY AS, AS PART OF THE DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS THAT ARE MADE WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU INCLUDE THE, THE DEPTH OF THE STREET AS, AS HOLDING CAPACITY FOR, FOR WATER. ALSO, YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FLOW OF WATER. SO GRADES ARE IMPORTANT. SO WHEN YOU GO IN, YOU TAKE A CONCRETE STREET AND YOU ADD TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT ON IT, YOU'VE WON POTENTIALLY DECREASED THE AMOUNT OF OF WATER THAT CAN BE HELD IN THE STREET IN BETWEEN THE CURBS. BUT ALSO YOU MIGHT BECAUSE OF THE GRADE, YOU MIGHT BE IMPACTING WATER'S ABILITY TO GET TO A STORM DRAIN. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S STRATEGIES FOR TAKING CARE OF BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. IT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE AND LOOKED AT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THAT DECISION. IT'S PRETTY VOLUME AND MOVEMENT.

YES. FORMULA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO PROBLEM. I'VE KIND OF A SIDE QUESTION. I MEANT TO ASK THIS THE OTHER DAY, BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING THIS, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PUT ASPHALT OVERLAY, BECAUSE THE INTERSECTION BY MY HOUSE, DUMONT AND COTTONWOOD WAS OVERLAY, I THINK EITHER LAST SUMMER, THE SUMMER BEFORE THAT INTERSECTION WAS REDONE. HOW DOES THAT. AND I KNOW THE CURBS ARE CONCRETE. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DO THEY BIND TOGETHER? BECAUSE I'M SEEING SOME OF THE ASPHALT STARTING TO LIKE JUST IN THE LAST WEEK, I'VE NOTICED BIG CHUNKS START TO OR STARTING TO CHUNK OFF. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE BONDED TO THE ACTUAL CONCRETE OF THE CURVE. IS THAT IS THERE SUPPOSED TO BE A BOND THERE? OR AM I JUST CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE AND ANSWER THAT MORE TECHNICALLY THAN I CAN? THERE WE GO. YEAH. SO WHEN THEY WILL. TRY TO SLIDE, THERE WE GO. I FEEL LIKE I'M IN THE SPOTLIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IS THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY MILL UP TO THE EDGE OF THE CONCRETE. WE WANT THAT CURB AND GUTTER PIECE TO STAY BY ITSELF. SO SOMETIMES THE OLDER APPLICATIONS, THEY WOULD JUST SLAP THE ASPHALT DOWN. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE RIDING YOUR BIKE, IF YOU GET TOO CLOSE TO THE CURB, IT'S VERY PREVALENT ON COTTONWOOD. I KNOW MIMOSA DRIVE AS WELL, WHERE IT'S JUST KIND OF COME UP TO THE SIDE OF IT. TYPICALLY, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MILL THAT DOWN, AND THAT'S WHERE THE. CHARLES WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE. WE WOULD CHANGE BASICALLY HOW MUCH WE WOULD

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THANK YOU. KATIE. SURE. Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A NOTE OF DUMONT AND COTTONWOOD ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER THERE. WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER. GO AHEAD AND WELCOME KATIE. COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO TRY AND KNOCK THESE OUT. ONE, BEFORE I HAVE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, CHARLES, FOR SORT OF ALWAYS LOOKING FOR BEST PRACTICES. AND THIS APPLIES DOWN TO YOUR WHOLE STAFF, ALWAYS LOOKING FOR BEST PRACTICES AND THINGS THAT NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE DOING AND REPORTING BACK TO THEM WITH US. I KNOW THAT ASPHALT OVERLAY TO DIFFERENT DEGREES HAS SORT OF BEEN A BEHIND THE SCENES CHATTER FOR ALMOST AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, AT LEAST AS LONG AS I'VE HEARD OF IT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME TO REALLY GO IN DEPTH AND ADDRESS IT IN THIS PRESENTATION WITH US. IT IT CLEARS UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I JUST NEVER I NEVER THOUGHT TO ASK, I GUESS. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING IT, I HAVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR, FOR IF WE GO BACK TO SLIDE TEN, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ACTUALLY ARE. AND I THINK THEY'LL BE PRETTY EASY TO ANSWER. YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE, THIS SORT OF PERCENT OF NETWORK. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CHARLES, IS THAT THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THIS IS FROM 2020. SO THIS HAS BEEN A PRETTY MUCH A CONSTANT THING WHERE THESE NUMBERS DON'T REALLY SHIFT AROUND A LOT SINCE THEN. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD CORRECTLY? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNKNOWN. THIS WAS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME AT 2020 BEFORE THE 2021 BOMB PROGRAM. SO A LOT OF THE EFFORTS IN THE 2021 BOND PROGRAM WENT INTO ADDRESSING THOSE POOR STREETS AND GETTING THEM BACK UP TO THE GOOD CONDITION. SO I WOULD FULLY HAVE EXPECTED WHATEVER COMPRISE THAT OR SOME PERCENTAGE THAT COMPRISE THAT 7% TO NOW BE IN THE GOOD CATEGORY. HOWEVER, IT'S IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS. SO THERE MAY BE SOME OF THOSE FAIR STREETS THAT HAVE DROPPED DOWN INTO THE POOR CATEGORY TO REPLACE THOSE STREETS. SO UNLESS UNTIL WE DO ANOTHER ASSESSMENT, WE WON'T KNOW FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE. BUT SOMEWHERE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE, ARE THESE ASSESSMENTS PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO CONDUCT OR TIME CONSUMING, OR WHY DON'T WE DO THEM ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS? WE TYPICALLY TRY TO DO THEM EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO. THAT'S WHEN YOU START TO GET REALLY GOOD DATA WITH. IT DID NOT HAPPEN BEFORE THIS LAST BOND PROGRAM. WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WHEN WE CAN DO THIS NEXT. IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE TO ASK STAFF WITH WHEN WE WOULD NEXT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE MAY AT THIS JUNCTURE WANT, AS WE MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, AS CHARLES MENTIONED, WAIT AND SEE OUR EFFORTS ARE WITH SOME OF OUR PANEL REPLACEMENT TO REDO THAT PIECE. FAIRLY STANDARD TO DO IT EVERY FEW YEARS OR SO. AND WE JUST PROGRAM IT IN AS A CAPITAL PROJECT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. YEAH. OKAY. SO JOE AND 20, WE STARTED IN 2019. IT WAS ABOUT $225,000 JUST FOR, FOR PERSPECTIVE, THERE WAS SO MUCH LEFT ON THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR AND THE 21 BOND PROGRAM. THERE WAS NOT REALLY A REASON TO DO ANOTHER SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY TO GENERATE A LIST OR JUST TO REFRESH A LIST. WE HAD, AND STILL DO HAVE AMPLE PROJECTS FOR RECONSTRUCTION FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. I THINK THE VALUE IN DOING ANOTHER STUDY WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THE LAST TWO CATEGORIES, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE CAN WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE RECONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE 21 BOND PROGRAM. WE COULD WE COULD ESTIMATE HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE GOOD FROM A RECONSTRUCTION. I THINK WHERE YOU KIND OF GET, I THINK WHERE YOU KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO, TO, TO PUT YOUR FINGER ON IS THE REHAB. WHAT COULD GO FROM FAIR TO GOOD? YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS PROGRAM FOR TEN YEARS NOW. AND WHEN I'M ASKED IF WE'RE CATCHING UP, I SAY, NO, WE'RE JUST NOT FALLING BACK. WE'RE NOT FALLING BEHIND AS AS FAST.

I'VE SAID THAT. THAT'S MY CONSISTENT MESSAGE. WHAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED IN THIS BOND PROGRAM, WHERE WE WILL ESSENTIALLY BE DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO BRINGING FAIR STREETS UP TO GOOD, OR AT LEAST KEEPING THEM FAIR. THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO FINALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE, AND THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN. THAT'S WHEN I THINK YOU'LL FINALLY SEE THAT GOLD COLUMN. YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER THERE REALLY CHANGE FOR THE FIRST TIME. OKAY, WE'VE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN TREADING WATER WITH SPENDING JUST $5 MILLION A YEAR ON LOCALIZED REPAIR ON FAIR STREETS. WHEN WE DOUBLE IT, I THINK WE'RE FINALLY OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FINALLY SEE THE NEEDLE REALLY MOVE. AND ALSO RECALL, WE HAVE $114 MILLION DEDICATED TO RECONSTRUCTION IN THE 26 BOND PROGRAM IF IT PASSES, WHEREAS, CHARLES, IT WAS MAYBE 82, $83 MILLION. YEAH. SO A $30 MILLION MORE OF RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AS WELL IN THE PROPOSED 26. SO

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WHAT IS THE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE WE WOULD REPLACE AN ASPHALT OVERLAY WITH ALL CONCRETE PANELING. IF THE. IF THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT FAILURES IN T STREET, AND IF THE WATER AND THE SEWER LINES NEEDED TO BE REPLACED, WE WOULD REBUILD IT AND WE WOULD. AT LEAST NOW WE WOULD PUT IT BACK AS A CONCRETE STREET, BUT WE WOULD NOT REPLACE THE ASPHALT. SEEMS LIKE IF IT'S LIKE THE POOREST OF THE POOR, ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. AND DO YOU MIND LOWERING YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE? SO PERFECT. NO, I THOUGHT I GOT TALLER. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. NO, I AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

THANKS. YOU KNOW, FOR BRINGING UP THIS NICE PRESENTATION. GOOD WORK. THE ONLY THING I'LL JUST SAY THAT WHAT MY WISH WOULD BE, I WOULD I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT OUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET GOES SIGNIFICANTLY UP AND WE GO VERY AGGRESSIVE ON MAINTENANCE. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY I THINK BECAUSE OF CITY LIKE US, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT. AND BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO SEE LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, FAILURE HERE AND THERE, SMALL FAILURE EVENTUALLY BECOME BIG. SO IF WE CAN GET MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THAT, DOUBLING THE BUDGET OR MORE, THAT WOULD HELP US. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY COPY AND PASTE SAME METHOD FOR EVERY STREET. H

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BUT I JUST, I HAVE THAT OVERALL OVERARCHING CONCERN THAT I JUST KEEP SEEING MORE AND MORE DOLLARS HAVING TO BE PUT TOWARDS ROAD MAINTENANCE AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WITH THE PRESSURE OF WHAT'S COMING, WE BELIEVE IS COMING. AND I MEAN, HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T. BUT I THINK ALL INDICATIONS ARE IS WE'RE GOING TO GET SIGNIFICANTLY OUR BUDGETS WHACKED AND KNOWING THAT WE STILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, HOW DO WE KIND OF SEE WHAT I'M SAYING, ROB, PETER, TO PAY PAUL AND ALL OF THAT. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOME KIND OF AN OVERARCHING MASTER PLAN TO SAY SO. I MEAN, MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED TO AND I'M NOT I'M NOT. I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS SORT OF WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, BUT THE IDEA OF DOING FULL, FULL RECSTRUCTION WITH CONCRETE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TIME HAS COME AND PASSED BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CUTS THAT ARE LOOMING FROM AUSTIN. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TO SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, WE SHOULD START ON A COURSE NOT LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE, GIVEN BUDGET CUTS AND WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE IN ALL OUR OTHER BUCKETS AS WELL, DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES VERY MUCH, VERY MUCH. SO. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRESENTLY AND AND HONEST. I MEAN, FRANKLY, I THINK YOU'LL SEE PART OF MY BUDGET RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WILL BE TO AT LEAST TO CONSIDER RELEASING SOME OF THE DOLLARS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEDICATED TO STREET MAINTENANCE THROUGH A PAYGO STRATEGY. I OPERATING DOLLARS AND DEPEND MORE ON THE BOND PROGRAM. AND SO I WANT TO YOU KNOW, CHARLES CAME UP WITH THIS, THIS REALLY GOOD IDEA OF PUTTING THIS $5 MILLION A YEAR INTO THE BOND PROGRAM FOR LOCALIZED REPAIR. WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FOR FULL RECONSTRUCTION. MAYOR PRO TEM, I BELIEVE WHERE WE'RE HEADED IS A SITUATION WHERE BOTH REHAB SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF OUR REHAB DOLLARS,

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I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS. JUST TO CLARIFY. FIRST, I WANT TO DOUBLE UP ON ON THE MAYOR PRO TEM POINT OF SEEING IF WE CAN'T CREATE SOME SORT OF MODELING THAT WILL GIVE US A POTENTIAL.

THIS IS WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE OVER THE COURSE OF 10 OR 20 YEARS OF A PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROGRAM OR EFFORT. WHAT WE ESTIMATE USING TODAY'S DOLLARS OR WHATEVER MAKES THE MOST SENSE. IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE OVER THE NEXT 10 OR 20 YEARS IN TERMS OF DEGRADATION OF STREETS, WITH THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT WE'RE PUTTING IN, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH BOND OR PAYGO OR WHATEVER THE THE STRATEGY IS. THE SECOND QUESTION, I, I THINK I'M RACKING MY BRAIN A LITTLE BIT AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND START CALLING FOLKS. BUT I'M REAL CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, THE PRESENTATION AND I APPRECIATE KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN OF THE COST PER MILE AND SOME OF THESE OTHER ELEMENTS. I'M CURIOUS WHY PLANO DECIDED TO DO IT, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST PART OF THE ASSUMPTION, WHICH IS THEY ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD LAST 8 TO 10 YEARS. SO THEIR ASSUMPTIONS GOING IN HYPOTHETICALLY WERE 8 TO 10 YEARS. IT WAS GOING TO COST ALMOST DOUBLE PER MILE. WHY WOULD THEY EVER DO IT? I'M ASSUMING THAT MAY BE A RHETORICAL QUESTION, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER, I'D LOVE TO KNOW IT, BUT I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE IT. NO, I THINK I THINK IT STARTED OUT AS AS KIND OF A PILOT PROGRAM. AND THERE ARE EARLY RESULTS WERE GOOD. SO WHAT THEY STARTED OUT WITH WAS THEY DID A SECTION OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS INDEPENDENCE AND THEY DID THE OVERLAY THERE AND THEN DIDN'T DO THE OVERLAY ON THE OTHER HALF OF INDEPENDENTS. AND WHAT THEY WERE SEEING WAS THAT THE HALF THAT THEY DIDN'T DO WAS DEGRADING FASTER THAN THE HALF THAT THEY PUT THE OVERLAY ON. I DON'T THINK THEY ANSWERED THE QUESTION OF, WAS IT WORTH IT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO STILL DETERMINE, BUT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. THEY ARE ALSO,

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SO TO MR. MAGNA'S POINT THAT PERHAPS THIS PROGRAM BECOMES BOND ELIGIBLE IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN SPEND BOND FUNDS ON THAT, THEN THAT OPENS THE DOOR MAYBE UP FOR DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS. SO THAT MAY BE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO HEAD. THEY MAY BE TRYING TO CREATE A MARKET FOR IT TO GET THE COST DOWN, BUT TOO SOON, TOO SOON TO TELL FROM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

SO I WOULD JUST ADD, I MEAN, I HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THERE WAS AN, THERE IS AN ESTHETIC COMPONENT TO IT THAT THEY, THEY GOT GOOD FEEDBACK ON. AND, AND IF YOU LOOK TO CHARLES'S POINT, UNLIKE RICHARDSON, THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THE ASPHALT THAT'S BEEN LAID AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN ON THOROUGHFARES. AND MANY OF THOSE THOROUGHFARES HAVE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO IT. AND THERE'S ALSO A SOUND MITIGATION ELEMENT TO THE ASPHALT. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE THUMP THUMPS OVER OVER JOINTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND SO I, I THINK THE MAINTENANCE PIECE IS, IS JUST ONE ELEMENT OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY, THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHY THEY, THEY CONTINUED ON WITH IT. YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY SAY HAVING DRIVEN ON A NUMBER OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE RELATIVELY CLOSE AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF OCCASIONS WHERE I'M UP IN THAT AREA. I'VE NEVER BEEN ON SMOOTHER FEELING ROADS OR QUIETER TO THE POINT THAT YOU WERE JUST MAKING. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING, IS SMOOTHER, QUIETER ENOUGH TO PAY DOUBLE? ARE THEY JUST SO FLUSH THAT THEY'RE JUST WILLING TO THROW MONEY AWAY? WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE I KNOW JUST LIKE THE REST OF US, THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME CONSTRAINTS, SO FEELS LIKE THERE'S A PIECE OF THEIR PUZZLE. AND PERHAPS COUNCIL MEMBER ARFIN HIT IT BEST, WHICH WITH THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, FILLING INDIVIDUAL CRACKS VERSUS SAYING THAT OVERLAY ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND SEALING THE ENTIRE AREA. MAYBE IT'S THAT AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER PART OF THE MATH THAT'S MAKING THE PAYBACK SOMEHOW MAKE MORE SENSE TO THEM. I JUST, I'D LOVE TO EXPLORE IT JUST A TINY BIT MORE TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE ON THE SURFACE, IT'S LOOKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE FOR SOMETHING THAT IS STILL UNPROVEN. AND THEN YOU KIND OF STARTED ANSWERING WHAT WAS GOING TO BE MY THIRD QUESTION, WHICH WAS, IF THIS THING DOES MAKE IT TO 20, IS THAT IS THAT THE THRESHOLD? I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE SIDE CONVERSATIONS FOR IT TO POTENTIALLY 20 YEARS. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT THAT IS SUPER PROMISING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S CONSIDERABLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN JUST FULL CONCRETE AND WOULD BE A WAY THAT WE COULD ACCELERATE HOW FAST WE GET. A LOT MORE STREETS IN THE FAIR TO GOOD OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO, SO HYPOTHETICALLY, FROM A BONDING PERSPECTIVE IS ONE NEARBY EXAMPLE. DO WE FEEL ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THEY PROVED IT'S 20 YEARS, WE CAN USE IT AS 20 YEARS? OR DOES IT TAKE QUITE. AND THAT MAY BE ALSO A DEEPER QUESTION, BUT NO, I THINK AND I THINK THAT'S. AND JUST TO JUST TO GET TO THE SPIRIT OF HOPEFULLY THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING FOR THIS CATEGORY IS NOT THAT WE DON'T SUGGEST THAT WE DO IT, IT'S THAT WE GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO ONE OBSERVE, BECAUSE I THINK PLANO STILL HAS TO PROVE UP THAT THEIR ESTIMATE OF 15 YEARS IS GOING TO COME TO FRUITION. WE'VE USED A SIMILAR PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I CALL THE S CURVE ON ARAPAHOE. AND WE'VE WE'VE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A TRAVELED THOROUGHFARE. AND MOST OF THESE ARE AS WELL. IT'S NEVER LASTED THAT LONG. THE MOST WE'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THAT, THAT THIS, THIS APPLICATION IS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, 15 YEARS FOR, FOR ASPHALT, PARTICULARLY A THREE QUARTER INCH WILL BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY PLANO OR ANYBODY ELSE, QUITE FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE OF THAT ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC AND A LOT AT A MUCH SLOWER SPEED AND NOT AS HEAVY A TRAFFIC. BUT, BUT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST SAY ON THE, ON THE, ON THE RECOMMENDATION, I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE SUGGESTING IS, AND YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE CAN GO DEEPER AND WIDER THAN JUST PLANO, THAT'S JUST THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US. BUT EVEN THE RENNER EXAMPLE, I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO ISAN, WE NEED TO LOOK NOW THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SPEND MORE DOLLARS ON THE PAYGO STRATEGY, WE NEED TO BEBLE TO DEVELOP OUR OWN COST PER MILE. ON WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DO A FULL DEPTH CONCRETE REPLACEMENT TO BRING UP A SATISFACTORY OR A FAIR STREET TO A GOOD. WHAT DOES IT COST TO SEAL THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S PART OF IT AS WELL. RIGHT. AND, AND THEN KIND OF MOVING FORWARD, BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME BETTER MEASURES OF THAT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GO BACK AND TO RECREATE THAT BASED ON THE WAY, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK PROBABLY THE ENGINEER ON THE, ON THE COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH THIS BASED ON THE WAY WE BID. THE QUANTITIES.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GO BACK AND TRY TO RECREATE THAT. NOW WE'RE COMMITTING TO DO THAT MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS JUST WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF

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I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT IDEA UNTIL I GOT THERE AND REALIZED THERE WERE 17 STATIONS. AND YOU HAVE TO TRY MORE THAN ONE DISH FROM 17 DIFFERENT STATIONS. I FELT ILL THAT NIGHT, BUT THE FOOD WAS DELICIOUS AND THEY RAISED A TON OF MONEY FOR NETWORK. SO IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GREAT PROGRAM AND A GREAT NIGHT ON SATURDAY ALSO AT UTD. YES, YES, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR, YESTERDAY YOU, MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN DORIAN HAD THE PLEASURE OF ATTENDING THE BERKNER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ANNUAL SPRING FLING.

IT WAS RESCHEDULED FROM SATURDAY MORNING AND THEY DO AN ANNUAL BUTTERFLY RELEASE. IN ALL HONESTY, IT'S ONE OF MY TOP THREE FAVORITE EVENTS OF THE YEAR. I THINK THEY HAD TO.

WHERE WE RELEASE BUTTERFLIES INTO INTO THE POLLINATOR GARDEN THEY HAVE THERE AT THE PARK, AND IT'S A WONDERFUL EVENT. SO GREAT JOB TO THEM ON ANOTHER GREAT SPRING FLING. AND I ALWAYS ENJOY ATTENDING THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS. THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS THROW.

AND THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF MY FAVORITES AND ONE I THINK OTHERS SHOULD DEFINITELY TAKE NOTE AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR OR BUT THEY HAD A LOT OF KIDS OUT THERE WAS A BOUNCE HOUSE. THEY HAD HOT DOGS, THEY HAD THE PLAYSTATION FOR THE KIDS. IT WAS JUST A WONDERFUL AFTERNOON AND PERFECT WEATHER TO TOTALLY AGREE. I WAS HOPING YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO HELP ME SCRATCH MORE OF THESE OFF, AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE GOT TO AT LEAST TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF THEM. A FEW OF US WERE AT THE DUCK CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. GREAT JOB. NEW VENUE. THEY DID WONDERFUL. AND AND HATS OFF TO THEM. WHILE WHILE SOME OF YOU ACTUALLY.

YEAH, WHILE THE PROBABLY A BUNCH OF Y'ALL WERE CELEBRATING CALVIN JAMISON, I DID GET A CHANCE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS ON HIS RETIREMENT BEFOREHAND, BUT DURING IT, I WAS HAD THE HONOR OF MODERATING THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS. FORUM. A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, NERVE RACKING WISE, ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAN BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FORM. SO BUT BUT FUN NONETHELESS. AND A GREAT SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TURN OUT FOR THE FIRST ONE WASN'T GREAT. THE SECOND ONE WAS A BIT BETTER, BUT STILL JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR FROM CANDIDATES DIRECTLY. AS I'M LOOKING AT THE REST OF THESE, THERE WAS A WONDERFUL SHOW. I THINK IT'S CALLED CIRCA, BUT IT WAS HUMANS 2.0. DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO GO TO THAT ONE? NO, IT WAS REALLY, REALLY A GREAT SHOW. NOT A SHOW LIKE I'VE SEEN BEFORE AT THE ICEMAN, BUT REALLY JUST HATS OFF TO WHAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO TO TO DIVERSIFY THE TYPES OF SHOWS THAT ARE OUT THERE. EPIPHANY HAD THEIR ANNUAL CRAWFISH BOIL, WHICH IS ALWAYS, USUALLY A LOT OF FUN. AND I SAID ALWAYS, USUALLY BECAUSE THIS WEEKEND IT WAS REALLY, REALLY COLD. THE ONLY THING THAT WAS GOOD ABOUT THE COLD WAS I HAD SIGNED UP, WHICH WAS A BAD IDEA TO BE IN THE DUNK TANK, BUT THEY SPARED ME SINCE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO COLD FOR THAT. WE DID HAVE, I THINK IT WAS ALSO LAST WEEK A FEW OF US GOT A CHANCE TO DO THE UTD AWARDS. WAS THAT LAST WEEK IT WAS OR WAS IT THE WEEK BEFORE? OKAY, I'LL SCRATCH THAT AND IGNORE IT. I HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A TOUR OF THE PISD CTE CENTER. WOW. REALLY EXCITING VENUE FOR US TO HAVE KIND OF ANOTHER ROUND OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE.

REALLY COOL SEEING IT AND EXCITED TO SEE WHAT OUR ISD IS GOING TO BRING TO THE TABLE AS WELL. IT'S JUST FANTASTIC. AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED. UTD JUST THREE DIFFERENT EVENTS

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I'LL SKIP THE OTHER TWO. UTD. WELL ACTUALLY MR. POWELL AND I HAD A CHANCE. YOURS WAS PROBABLY BETTER ATTENDED. WERE YOU ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR THE THIRD FLOOR? THIRD FLOOR. OH WELL THEN WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN TIED THE THE ELEVATORS WERE NOT WORKING, SO PROBABLY BOTH OF US SUFFERED A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE WERE BOTH ON THE THIRD FLOOR. PEOPLE HAD TO CLIMB TO LISTEN TO EITHER OF OUR PANELS AND WE WERE COMPETING. I DIDN'T ASK YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO YOURS, BUT I'M SURE THEY WERE MORE THAN THE ONES THAT SHOWED UP TO MINE. BUT IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. THEY HAD A GAME CHANGERS PANEL THAT WE GOT TO BE A PART OF OR TWO DIFFERENT PANELS WE GOT TO BE A PART OF. LAST THING I'LL POINT OUT IS THE METROPLEX MAYOR'S MEETING, WHICH I THINK WAS LAST WEEK. WE GOT A CHANCE TO LISTEN TO THE HEAD OF ERCOT. DID I HAVE THAT RIGHT? AND JUST ALWAYS INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE POWER SIDE OF THE WORLD AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE THAT AS A STATE, AS THE REQUESTS AND THE DESIRE TO HAVE MORE AND MORE POWER ARE BEING MET WITH LONGER AND LONGER TIMELINES TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT POWER. SO JUST MAKES THINGS REALLY INTRIGUING IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND DIFFERENT WAYS THAT MAYBE SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT VENUES WILL

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