Jul 27, 2026 City Council

YARDS, ALL OF WHICH IS VERY STRESSFUL.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS RACHEL EPSON.

I LIVE AT 22 0 4 OWENS BOULEVARD, RICHARDSON, 7 5 0 8 2.

I AM HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

TO START, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT PASSED AND THAT IT SHOWS THAT RESIDENTS ARE BEING LISTENED TO AND IT DOES HAVE MORE TEETH THAN THE PREVIOUSLY ENACTED REGULATIONS.

THE NEW ORDINANCE ALSO HAS GIVEN SOME OF US HOPE THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUES CAN BE DEALT WITH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN BEFORE.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME CHALLENGES THAT THE REGULATIONS POSE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE WITH THESE PROPERTIES NEXT TO OR NEAR OUR HOMES, WITH THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE BEING THAT THEY PUT THE ONUS ON RESIDENTS TO REPORT ISSUES TO THE CITY.

AND THIS CREATES PROBLEMS FOR US AS RESIDENTS.

SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, NOT ONLY HAVE WE HAD TO TAKE TIME TO RESEARCH WHAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE, WHAT CAN BE REPORTED AND HOW TO REPORT ISSUES, MY HUSBAND, NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE ALSO SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS AND IN SOME CASES HAVE EVEN MISSED WORK, TAKING TIME TO REPORT ISSUES, CONTACT AND MEET CITY OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES, MEET WITH POLICE OFFICERS, MEET WITH ATTORNEYS, CALL THE POLICE, AND ALSO UPDATE NEIGHBORS ON WHAT IS GOING ON.

WE'VE ALSO SPENT TIME DEALING WITH OTHER ISSUES LIKE CLEANING GARBAGE OUT OF OUR

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I'VE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO UNHAPPY ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

UNFORTUNATELY, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE OR HOW TO REPORT ISSUES, AND SOME SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO COMMIT TO DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE CREATING FOR THEM, AND RESIDENTS REALLY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO TAKE THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY THAT WE ARE HAVING TO TAKE TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.

WHAT'S WORSE? SOME RESIDENTS SEEM TO FEAR RETALIATION FROM GUESTS OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS AND OPERATORS IF THEY CALL THE POLICE OR REPORT A CONCERN SO THEY STAY SILENT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN SOLVED FOR THE CITY BY HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTALS HERE, BUT THEY SURE HAVE CREATED A LOT OF PROBLEMS. ADDITIONALLY, THEY DE VALUE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SOMETIMES I COME HOME FROM WORK AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT FRONT UNLOADING BAGS FOR ONE AIRBNB, AND THEN I PULL INTO THE ALLEY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE DRIVEWAY OF THE HOME BEHIND US IN LOADING BAGS, AT WHICH POINT OWENS PARK, THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE IN DOES NOT FEEL LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT FEELS LIKE A VACATION RENTAL COMMUNITY, BUT WITHOUT THE VACATION FOR US, AT ONE TIME, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET WERE CONSIDERING TURNING THEIR HOME INTO AN SDR, AND WE ALMOST HAD THREE OF THESE PROPERTIES STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

WHILE IMPLEMENTING DENSITY RESTRICTIONS WOULD HELP PREVENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING, NOT ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RES RENTALS AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ALTOGETHER WOULD PUT A LOT OF RESIDENTS EVEN MORE AT EASE.

WHILE THEY UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERN BEEN CONCERNS ON THE CITY'S PART ABOUT LAWSUITS AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF HOMEOWNERS, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT OTHER CITIES AND TEXAS ARE BANNING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THESE BANS ARE STANDING UP IN THE COURTS SUCH AS IN FORT WORTH AND IN GRAPEVINE.

BUT ALSO ON JUNE 18TH, THE US COURT OF APPEALS WERE THE FIFTH CIRCUIT DISMISSED AN APPEAL BY SEVERAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL PLAINTIFFS WHO HAD SUED TO STOP THE CITY OF NEW BRAUNFELS FROM ENFORCING ITS ORDINANCES.

PLAINTIFFS ARGUED THAT THE ORDINANCES VIOLATED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS UNDER THE US AND TEXAS CONSTITUTIONS, BUT THE FIFTH CIRCUIT HELD TEXAS LAW DOES NOT RECOGNIZE A PROTECTED PROPERTY INTEREST AND THE RIGHT TO LEASE ONE'S HOME ON A SHORT-TERM BASIS.

THE FIFTH CIRCUIT ALSO RULED THAT, AND I QUOTE, THE PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL INTEGRITY AS A LEGITIMATE OBJECTIVE OF ZONING REGULATION.

SO I ASK THAT AS YOU REVIEW CURRENT REGULATIONS FOR SHORT TERM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE KEEP RICHARDSON RESIDENCE AND THE PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL INTEGRITY FIRST AND FOREMOST IN YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

LASTLY, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN DEALING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.

NOW, DURING THAT TIME, SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE COME UP IN CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN OTHERS FIND OUT THAT WE LIVE NEXT TO THESE PROPERTIES, NEVER HAS ANYONE SAID TO US, WOW, THAT SOUNDS SO GREAT.

YOU ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE NEXT DOOR AND IN YOUR BACKYARD.

OR, I WISH I LIVED NEXT TO AN AIRBNB AND WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.

BUT WHAT WE DO HERE IS, I'M SORRY YOU WERE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE.

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED? RICHARDSON, I WOULD WANNA MOVE AND I'D BE SO UPSET IF THAT HAPPENED TO OUR FAMILY.

AND I TELL 'EM, IT IS TERRIBLE.

WE HAVE WANTED TO MOVE, AND WITH THE WAY REGULATIONS CURRENTLY STAND IN RICHARDSON, THIS COULD HAPPEN TO THEM TOO.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

THANK YOU, MS. EPSON.

NO FURTHER CURRENT.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK TODAY? ALRIGHT, UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN RIDER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PUBLISHED COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL

[5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS UPDATE ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS (Part 1 of 2)]

MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS UPDATE ON SHORT TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS.

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UH, WE HAVE A TEAM HERE TONIGHT THAT'S GONNA HELP, UH, MAKE, UH, THIS PRESENTATION.

LINDSEY TURNER, OUR DIRECTOR OF, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, GARY TITTLE, OUR POLICE CHIEF, AND THEN JOE GR, OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

UM, BACK IN, UM, APRIL, WHEN YOU DECIDED TO PASS A TEMPORARY PROHIBITION ON SHORT-TERM REYNOLDS, UH, YOU ASKED US TO, UH, UH, UH, TAKE ON TWO VERY IMPORTANT TASKS.

ONE WAS TO, UH, IMPLEMENT NEW SOFTWARE TO, UM, UH, ACCURATELY AND FULLY BE ABLE TO CHARACTERIZE HOW MANY SHORT-TERM REYNOLDS WE HAD OPERATING, UH, HERE IN THE CITY, BOTH IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS, UH, IN MULTI-FAMILY, UH, SETTINGS.

AND THEN TWO, TO, UH, USE THE DATA THAT WE WOULD COLLECT AND HAVE COLLECTED FOR SEVERAL YEARS, UH, BOTH IN THE CODE AND, UH, POLICE REALMS TO, UH, MAKE A DETERMINATION ON IF, UH, THOSE SHORT TERM RENTALS WERE HAVING, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UM, IMPACTS ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR IN, IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'D

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LIKE TO REPORT, UH, TO YOU, UH, THIS EVENING.

UM, JOE, I'M GONNA, UH, PAUSE HERE AND, UH, AND JOE AND, AND LINDSEY AND, AND, UH, CHIEF TITTLE ALL GONNA, UH, PARTNER ON THIS PRESENTATION, SO THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT FROM THEIR PLACE.

BUT, UH, JOE, I THINK, UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE, THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, MAKING ANY OR SHARING ANY INSIGHTS OR, OR MAKING ANY COMMENTS RELATED TO, UH, ANY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THAT, UM, MAYBE RESPONSIVE TO, UH, THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL TO HAVE SOME, UH, JUST CLARITY, UM, WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, STANDS ON THE DIFFERENT, UH, ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED BEFORE WE LAUNCH INTO THE PRESENTATION.

AND I THINK IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, AS WELL AS I BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, I THINK I STARTED OFF BY SAYING IF WE WERE IN, IN TARRANT COUNTY, WE'D BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION THAN BEING IN DALLAS COUNTY BASED ON THE CITY OF DALLAS CASE.

UM, THAT IS PENDING BEFORE THE, UH, TEXAS SUPREME COURT.

ULTIMATELY, UH, THE DECISION IN THAT CASE IS WHETHER OR NOT CITIES CAN REGULATE OR ULTIMATELY BAN SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN RESIDENTIAL OR MOST RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE DECISION TO BE DECIDED IN THAT CASE.

WE HAD ANOTHER CASE THAT CAME OUT FAVORABLY FOR CI UH, FOR CITIES OUT OF TARRANT COUNTY.

UM, AND IT WAS A, UH, A, A CASE THAT ESSENTIALLY UPHELD CITIES THAT DID DO THE OUTRIGHT BAN IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

HOWEVER, AS OF SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, THAT CASE NOW IS GOING, IS BEING PETITIONED FOR REVIEW BEFORE THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT.

SO NOW WE HAVE ACTUALLY, IF, IF THE, IF THE SUPREME COURT TAKES IT, WE'VE GOT TWO CASES WHERE THE ULTIMATE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT CITIES CAN BAN, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN RESIDENTIAL, IN RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISTRICTS DOING A COMP, A COMPLETE BAN IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

SO THAT, THAT IS THE CHANGE THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE WE'VE LAST DISCUSSED THIS.

SO POSSIBLY TWO CASES NOW BEFORE THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT.

SO HOPEFULLY SOME CLARITY, BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

OKAY, MAYOR COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOE BEFORE WE BEGIN? COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN? DO YOU KNOW WHEN THOSE SUPREME COURT CASES ARE UP TO BE REVIEWED OR DECIDED STARTING WITH THE DALLAS CASE? THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY.

THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY.

UM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUANCES, GRANTED, I WOULD NOT EXPECT A DECISION I IN THAT CASE, PROBABLY UNTIL JUNE OF, OF NEXT YEAR.

UM, IF THE SUPREME COURT TAKES, UH, THE CASE OUT OF, UH, FORT WORTH, WHICH IS THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, PROBABLY EXPECT A DECISION.

I'M GONNA GUESS SAME TIME.

COUNCILMAN BARRIOS.

THANK YOU MAYOR JOE, I REMEMBER, UM, SPEAKER SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THE GRAPEVINE CASE.

I REMEMBER WE HAD GONE OVER THAT A WHILE BACK, BUT CAN YOU HELP JOG MY MEMORY WHAT DIFFERENTIATES THAT AND WHY WE CAN'T USE THAT CASE LAW? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WAS UPHELD BY THE FIFTH CIRCUIT.

SO JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, IN MARCH OF 2026, YOU ADOPTED SOME CHANGES TO OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.

AND, AND, AND, AND THAT CASE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE FACT THAT, UM, WE'RE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY ALLOWED, WE'VE ALREADY ALLOWED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

SO WHAT THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IF YOU DID A COMPLETE BAN, AND I USE THE EXAMPLE OF 0.0, UM, DOES THAT CREATE A VESTED RIGHT.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ISSUE.

THAT'S DIFFERENT IN RICHARDSON THAN IN THE GRAPEVINE CASE WHERE THEY DID NOT HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT REGULATED SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

THEY DID NOT CREATE THAT, THAT THAT VESTED THAT VESTED INTEREST.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ULTIMATE DECISION.

IN DALLAS.

DALLAS, THEY HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE ALREADY OPERATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

THEY PUT, THEY PUT THEIR ORDINANCE IN PLACE.

SO THEY'RE MAKING THAT, THAT'S THE DECISION BEFORE THAT CASE IS, DID THAT CREATE A VESTED RIGHT.

DO THEY OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTINUE OPERATING, UM, UH, THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS? ALRIGHT, GREAT.

JOE, MAYBE, MAYBE JUST ONE MORE QUESTION OR, OR ACTUALLY JUST COMMENT GIVEN, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

UM, THE COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT BEFORE THEY WOULD TAKE A STEP LIKE THAT, UH, BANNING PERHAPS, UH, THAT THEY WOULD LET SOME OF THESE OTHER CASES PLAY OUT.

AND I THINK AS CITY ATTORNEY, BOTH YOU AND PETE HAVE KIND OF CONCURRED WITH THAT STRATEGY.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD, ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT STRATEGY? UM, AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE'RE IN DALLAS COUNTY, IF YOU WANTED, IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF A BAN, I WOULD THEN THERE, THERE IS ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF LITIGATION, SAME SIMILAR LITIGATION THAT THERE IS WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS CASE, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU, AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD RECOMMEND CREATING THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING OR THAT HAVE BEEN LICENSED AS GRANDFATHERING THOSE IN AT A MINIMUM TO LIMIT YOUR EXPOSURE.

GREAT.

MAYOR, LET ME, UH, TURN IT OVER TO LINDSAY AND, UH, LINDSAY AND, AND GARY ARE GONNA TAKE IT FROM HERE.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, I THINK, JOE, YOU HAVE ONE FINAL SLIDE AT THE END WITH, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TERMINALS.

SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH TONIGHT.

FIRST, JUST AS BACKGROUND AND YOUR RECENT ACTION, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW DATA, UH, AT STR BOTH THE POLICE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DATA.

WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT HOW BEST TO THINK ABOUT AND UNDERSTAND DENSITY POTENTIAL PROGRAM ENHANCEMENTS, MULTIFAMILY SCR DATA AND NEXT STEPS.

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THE CHANGES INCLUDED, UH, CLEARLY DEFINING GROUNDS FOR THE REVOCATION OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, REQUIRING SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO REIT HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES, AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF OWNER TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY RESPONSIBLE PARTIES AND CREATING AN OFFENSES SECTION TO ENABLE STAFF TO MORE EASILY ENFORCE SCR REQUIREMENTS.

IN APRIL, IN LATE APRIL, COUNCIL PASSED A 90 DAY TEMPORARY PROHIBITION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO ALLOW STAFF TIME TO UTILIZE THE NEW SOFTWARE TO, AS DON MENTIONED, NUMBER ONE, INVENTORY STR PROPERTIES, AND DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ACTUALLY HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS, AND DETERMINE IF THERE ARE CURRENT CLUSTERS OF S STRS AND EXPLORE STRATEGIES TO PR TO PREVENT FUTURE CLUSTERING.

JUST A REMINDER, WE DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROHIBITION, THERE WAS A 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO REGISTER.

AT THE START OF THE 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD, STAFF UTILIZED OUR OLD SOFTWARE TO BEGIN SENDING NOTICES.

WE SENT 66 NO INITIAL NOTICES TO REGISTER.

2023 OF THOSE PROPERTIES EITHER REGISTERED THEIR PROPERTY OR COMPLETELY REMOVED THEIR LISTINGS.

43 SECOND NOTICES WERE SENT TO REGISTER.

24 MORE PROPERTIES EITHER REGISTERED OR REMOVED LISTINGS.

AND THEN 19 CITATIONS WERE ISSUED IN JULY, WE HAD ACCESS TO MORE FULL DATA FROM OUR NEW SOFTWARE.

SO 40 INITIAL NOTICES TO COMPLY WITH OUR TEMPORARY PROHIBITION REGULATIONS WERE SENT 20 PROPERTIES REMOVED THEIR LISTINGS, AND 20 CITATIONS WERE ISSUED TO PROPERTIES WHO FAILED TO REMOVE THOSE LISTINGS? SO OUR IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR NEW SOFTWARE BEGAN IN MAY.

THE NEW SCR SOFTWARE HAS BEEN REALLY USEFUL.

IT IS A LOT EASIER TO USE THAN OUR OLD SOFTWARE.

THE PLATFORM IS REALLY INTUITIVE.

THE ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION IS LEAPS AND BOUNDS BETTER THAN OUR OLD SOFTWARE.

THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED ADDITIONAL STR THAT WERE NOT NOTED IN THE OLD SOFTWARE, AND THE CUSTOMER SERVICE HAS UP UNTIL THIS POINT, BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE, WHICH IS REALLY REFRESHING.

UM, THE SOFTWARE HAS HELPED STAFF RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STR MARKET IN GENERAL, NOT JUST IN RICHARDSON, CHANGES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

SO LET'S LOOK AT THE DATA AT STR.

WE'RE GONNA START BY LOOKING AT CODE ENFORCEMENT DATA.

SO JUST THIS WILL COME UP LATER.

YOU'LL SEE AN ACTUAL MAP OF THE LOCATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT CURRENTLY THERE ARE 111 REGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND 59 UNREGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR A TOTAL OF 170 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN RICHARDSON AND SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES.

SO IN 2020 IN THE CALENDAR YEAR 2025, WE GOT 76 COMPLAINTS AT REGISTERED PROPERTIES, 38 AT UNREGISTERED PROPERTIES FOR A TOTAL OF 114.

THIS, AGAIN, IS JUST OUR RESPONSE CENTER DATA.

JUST NOTE THAT IN CALENDAR YEAR 2025, WE HAD A LITTLE OVER 4,200 COMPLAINTS IN THE RESPONSE CENTER.

SO COMPLAINTS ABOUT STR MADE UP ABOUT 2.68% OF OUR TOTAL COMPLAINTS IN 2026 CALENDAR YEAR.

THUS FAR, WE'VE HAD 52 COMPLAINTS AT REGISTERED PROPERTIES, 15 AT UNREGISTERED PROPERTIES FOR A TOTAL OF 67.

SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE UNIVERSE AT WHICH THESE COMPLAINTS SORT OF EXIST.

SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE WERE 114 COMPLAINTS IN 2025.

THOSE 114 COMPLAINTS WERE LODGED ABOUT 45 PROPERTIES.

SO 45 OUT OF 170 SCRS DID RECEIVE A COMPLAINT.

SO ABOUT A QUARTER THERE WERE 125 SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMPLAINTS.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS THUS FAR.

IN 2026 OF THE, THOSE 67 COMPLAINTS WERE LODGED ABOUT 35 PROPERTIES.

SO 35 OUT, A HUNDRED OUT OF 170 OR ABOUT 20% DID RECEIVE A COMPLAINT.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE A COMPLAINT ABOUT 135 OUT OF 170 SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO ALMOST 80%.

THIS IS THE COMPLAINT CODE DATA FROM THE RESPONSE CENTER BROKEN DOWN BY VIOLATION TYPE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT BY FAR TRASH IS THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINT THAT WE GET, FOLLOWED BY HIGH GRASS AND WEEDS IN OUR RE RESPONSE CENTER.

YOU'LL SEE THAT PARKING DOESN'T IT, IT BREAKS THE TOP FIVE COMPLAINTS FAIRLY.

UM, OUR STR CO COMPLAINTS VIA EMAIL, THIS IS JUST IN 2026, AND THESE ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS RECEIVED ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS.

WE'VE RECEIVED 110 CONCERNS ABOUT 20 PROPERTIES, UM, VIA EMAIL SO FAR.

IN 2026, OVER 60% OF THESE EMAIL COMPLAINTS WERE ABOUT FIVE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.

SO AGAIN, TRASH IS OUR NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS.

FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY JUST REGISTRATION STATUS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION.

UH, JUST RESIDENTS SEEKING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, REGISTRATION, WHO'S REGISTERED, WHO'S NOT 19, CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING 16, ABOUT SAFETY, 11, ABOUT OCCUPANCY AND NOISE, BOTH JUST GENERAL FEEDBACK.

AND THEN WE DID HAVE ONE COMPLAINT ABOUT LIGHTING.

SO WITH

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THAT, I'M GOING TO PASS THIS ON TO OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, GARY TITTLE.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES I'M GOING TO SHARE JUST AS A REFRESHER OF 2025 DATA AS WELL AS AN UPDATE OF YEAR TO DATE 2026 DATA.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS CURRENT ONE, UM, 112 CALLS FOR SERVICE, UH, FOR 2025 OF THAT 1, 12 79 CALLS WERE FROM REGISTERED PROPERTIES WITH 33 BEING FROM UNREGISTERED PROPERTIES, YEAR TO DATE FOR 2026, A TOTAL OF 64, UM, CALLS FOR SERVICE WITH 50 BEING, UM, AT THE, UM, AT THE REGISTERED PROPERTIES WITH 14 BEING AT UNREGISTERED PROPERTIES.

TAKE A NOTE, UM, OR LOOK AT THAT NOTE THERE.

AT THE BOTTOM THOUGH, IN 2025, WE HANDLED, UM, ROUGHLY 52,000 CALLS FOR, UM, SERVICE AND SHORT TERM RENTAL CALLS ACCOUNTED FOR.

0.21% OF ALL CITIZEN INITIATED CALLS FOR SERVICE.

SO JUST, UM, FOOD FOR THOUGHT THERE.

AS IT RELATES TO 2025, UM, THIS, THIS IS SPECIFIC TO LOCATIONS, 56 LOCATIONS OF THE 170 STR, UH, HAD EXPERIENCED CALLS FOR SERVICE, ROUGHLY ONE THIRD OF ALL, UM, OF THE ONE 70 STR IN 2025, HAD CALLS FOR SERVICE.

AND THEN, UM, 114 OUT OF THE ONE 70 DID NOT HAVE ANY CALLS FOR SERVICE.

SO AGAIN, JUST BREAKING THAT DOWN, ROUGHLY ONE THIRD OF THE STRS LOCATIONS HAD CALLS FOR SERVICE, BUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, TWO THIRDS DID NOT HAVE, UH, A SINGLE CALL FOR SERVICE.

THEN WE FLIPPED FORWARD TO 2026.

LOOKING AT, UM, YEAR TO DATE, AND THIS DATA SHOWS THAT 28 OF THE ONE 70 HAVE EXPERIENCED CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, ROUGHLY 16%, AND THEN 84% OF THE ONE 70 HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED A CALL FOR SERVICE AT ALL THIS YEAR TO DATE IN 2026.

SO THIS IS, UM, A QUICK TAKE OF WHAT TYPES OF CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AT THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AS YOU SEE ON THAT FAR LEFT HAND SIDE, BOTH FOR 25 AS WELL AS 26, UM, THE JUST GENERAL DISTURBANCES, UH, IS REALLY WHAT, UM, CONSUMES THE, THE VOLUME OF THOSE BEING 30 FOR YEAR TO DATE IN 2026 AND, UM, 29 FOR THE, THE YEAR OF, UM, 2025.

NEXT WOULD BE HANGUP CALLS AT 11 AND EIGHT RESPECTIVELY, AND THEN, UM, MOVING ALONG TO MISCELLANEOUS AND THEN DISTURBANCES IN PROGRESS.

UM, SUSPICIOUS PERSONS IN 20, UH, 25 0 AND 20, UM, 26.

AND THEN YOU GET DOWN INTO THE SINGLE DIGIT NUMBERS REALLY, UH, QUICK THERE, JUST BRIEFLY AS MY LAST SLIDE, I'D LIKE TO DO JUST AN OVERVIEW, UM, OF WHAT HAS BEEN SHARED, UH, TO THIS POINT.

JUST REFLECT ON THAT NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, BEING 0.21, UM, PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AGAIN, 0.21, THAT REALLY EQUATES BOTH FOR 2025 AS WELL AS THE NUMBERS FOR 2026.

ONE CALL FOR SERVICE EVERY THREE DAYS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

UM, THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE RESPONSE CENTER, UM, OUT OF, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, SERVICES THEY ARE RECEIVING, UM, ROUGHLY 2.7800000000000002% OF THEIR CALLS ARE RELATED TO, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS BY WORKING TOGETHER.

UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE TACTICS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE IN ADDRESSING THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE SOME OF THE FOLLOWING.

UH, BOTH LINDSAY LINDSAY'S TEAM AS WELL AS, UH, MY TEAM AT THE PD, WE COLLABORATE REALLY WELL TOGETHER.

UM, WE DECIPHER WHAT THEY ARE RECEIVING AS IT RELATES TO COMPLAINTS, COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE ARE RECEIVING AS IT RELATES TO CALLS FOR SERVICE COMPLAINTS, ADDRESS THOSE TOGETHER.

SOMETIMES WE WILL, UM, BRING THE INDIVIDUALS INTO, UM, LOCATION, CITY FACILITY, MEET WITH THEM.

UM, SOMETIMES THAT'S DONE SIMPLY, UH, WITH PD GOING OUT TO THE LOCATION.

SOMETIMES THAT'S DONE BY, UH, CODE, UH, MEETING WITH THEM SPECIFICALLY AND THEN SHARING SOME OF THE DATA

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THAT WE HAVE, UH, COLLABORATED IN GATHERING AND SHARING.

UM, WE HAVE HAD 11 IN-PERSON MEETINGS A YEAR TO DATE, WITH NINE OF THEM BEING, UM, SINCE APRIL.

UM, STAFF FROM BOTH DEPARTMENTS, UH, WE CONTINUE TO MEET TO ENSURE THE SCHOOL FULL SCOPE OF THE ISSUES, UM, ARE TRULY UNDERSTOOD, UH, BY BOTH DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO BY THOSE THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH, UM, IN THE OWNERSHIP REALM.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I TRULY WANNA POINT OUT HERE IS THAT POLICE AND CODE, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED TO EFFECTIVELY ADDRESS THE ISSUES, UM, WITH STR WHEN THEY ARE REPORTED IN A TIMELY FASHION.

IF YOU'LL RECALL BACK, UH, TO THE LAST TIME THAT I WAS DISCUSSING THIS TOPIC, IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I I STRESSED IS WE NEED THOSE WHO SEE POLICE RELATED VIOLATIONS TO CALL 9 1 1 SO THAT THEY CAN BE QUICKLY ADDRESSED, UH, MOST EFFICIENTLY ADDRESSED, AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH HANDLING THAT COMPLAINT AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE.

MOST OF THE TIME, IF WE GET THAT WELL AFTER THE FACT, THEN THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.

I'LL SHARE JUST A SHORT STORY WITH YOU THAT HAPPENED THIS MONTH.

UM, WE, WE RECEIVED SOME DATA, UH, OVER A NON-TRADITIONAL FORM, AND WE RECEIVED THAT DATA AND LUCKILY WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AND EFFICIENTLY GET OUT TO THE LOCATION AND ADDRESSED THE CONCERN BY THE CITIZEN.

UH, ONCE WE GOT TO THE LOCATION, IT WAS A PARKING ISSUE AND WE ADDRESSED THE PROBLEM WITH THE OCCUPANTS OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED.

UM, BUT WE, UM, MADE SURE THAT WE MAINTAINED A, A STRONG ASSESSMENT OF THAT PROPERTY OVER THE WEEKEND AND ACTUALLY THROUGH THE EXTENDED WEEKEND.

AND, UM, IN FACT, WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH THEM.

AND THEN WE REALIZED THAT THEY HAD CHANGED OCCUPANCY AND, UH, AT THAT LOCATION AND DID NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, WITH THOSE OCCUPANTS THAT FOLLOWED UP WITH THE ONES THAT WE HAD, THE ONE SINGLE.

BUT HAD WE, HAD WE RECEIVED THAT DATA AND INFORMATION THROUGH THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM ON A POLICE RELATED COMPLAINT, WE COULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE EFFICIENT IN HANDLING THAT.

THE EXAMPLE I JUST GAVE IT, IT WORKED OUT.

UM, BUT HAD THAT INFORMATION COME THROUGH AT THE TRADITIONAL 9 1 1 EMERGENCY SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S THERE FOR, UH, WE WOULD'VE, WE WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, EVEN MORE EFFICIENT.

SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME AND I WILL, UH, PASS THIS BACK TO LINDSEY.

OUR CLUSTER AND REGULATIONS, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THOSE? AND THEN ON A GOING FORWARD BASIS, HOW DO WE HANDLE THOSE? WE KNOW IF WE FOLLOW, IF WE FOLLOW THE CURRENT CASE LAW.

SO THE SECOND CATEGORY OF THINGS THAT YOU ASKED US TO REALLY LOOK AT WAS TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE CURRENTLY ANY CLUSTERS OF, OF STR IN RICHARDSON AND EXPLORE STRATEGIES TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER CLUSTERING THAT THERE MAY BE.

SO CLUSTERING IS THE POINT AT WHICH THERE'S A CONCENTRATION OF SCRS THAT BEGINS TO ALTER THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF AN AREA.

IT'S, IM IMPORTANT TO POINT THAT ANY REGULATIONS ABOUT CLUSTERS SHOULD BE DEFINED USING MEASURABLE STANDARDS, DENSITY CONSIDERATIONS.

IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, WE LOOKED AT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

ONE, WE REVIEWED THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN WE REVIEWED GENERAL DISTANCE SEPARATION OF STR CURRENTLY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, I BROUGHT THIS UP, THIS UP EARLIER, BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU A MAP TO SHOW YOU THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE 111 REGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND 59 UNREGISTERED PROPERTIES FOR A TOTAL OF 170.

OUT OF THE 85 NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, 29 NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THEM.

CURRENTLY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SIX NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE MORE THAN 10 SHORT TERM RENTALS.

OTHER THAN THAT, THAT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT JUST HAVE ONE OR TWO SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO MOVING AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT JUST DISTANCE SEPARATION.

SO THESE ARE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WHERE THERE ARE TWO OR MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN A 300 FOOT DISTANCE.

SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE CIRCLED IN GREEN, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE GREEN AREAS ARE ALREADY REGISTERED THAT THERE ARE THREE YELLOW AREAS ON THE MAP WHERE THERE'S ONE REGISTERED PROPERTY AND ONE UNREGISTERED PROPERTY.

AND THERE IS ONE PURPLE AREA ON THE MAP WHERE THERE ARE TWO UNREGISTERED PROPERTIES.

SO ON THIS MAP TOTAL, THERE ARE 44 PROPERTIES IN A CIRCLED AREA, 39 ARE REGISTERED AND FIVE ARE UNREGISTERED.

WHERE'S IT? THERE IT IS.

ALRIGHT, AS FAR AS, UH, POTENTIAL PROGRAMS FOR EN ENHANCEMENT AND THEN LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS, AND LET'S GO BACK AND DISCUSS AS FAR AS THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO CLUSTERING, IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT REGULATIONS RELATED TO CLUSTERING AND ADOPT THESE REGULATIONS, WE'RE BACK TO THE QUESTION OF IF WE ALREADY HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN EXISTENCE TODAY THAT FALL WITHIN

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AND AS ONE OF THE CITIZENS MENTIONED, THE THE NEW BRONZEVILLE CASE, WHICH WAS BEFORE THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, FIFTH CIRCUIT WAS CLEAR AND, AND STATING THAT, UM, THERE'S NO PROP.

THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID NOT ADDRESS PROPERTY RIGHTS OR VESTED INTEREST.

THEY REALLY ADDRESSED DUE PROCESS.

AND THEY SAID IF A CITY ADOPTS AN ORDINANCE AND SOMEONE DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME THAT THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED, ISN'T, IS ISN'T REGULATING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEN THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO REGULATE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THE FUTURE.

IN OTHER WORDS, THAT ORDINANCE WAS UPHELD ON PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

SO IN ANSWERING THE QUESTION, IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW, UM, THE FINDINGS IN THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, IF WE ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITED CLUSTERING ANY NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WOULD COME IN, THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE RESTRICTIONS FOLLOWING THE FIFTH CIRCUIT LOGIC, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY WIN IF SOMEONE WERE TO CHALLENGE THAT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, EVEN IN THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, THEY CITE THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT HAS NOT MADE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY TRUE WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON HAS A VESTED RIGHT TO OPERATE A SHORT, A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

BUT CLEARLY SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT OWN THE PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE A VESTED RIGHT, UM, TO OPERATE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IF WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE PRIOR TO THAT.

SO AS FAR AS ADOPTING REGULATIONS, REQUIRING ALL, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO BE AT LEAST 300 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL, PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE OF THE EASIEST, EASIEST WAYS TO ENFORCE IT AND TO MEASURE IT.

UM, WE DISCUSSED INCREASING THE ANNUAL REGISTRATION FEE FROM $100 TO $300.

WE KNOW THAT, UM, WE ARE DOING ADDITIONAL WORK AS IT RELATES TO REGULATING SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH REQUIRES ADDITIONAL MANPOWER.

SO AGAIN, OUR, UM, REGISTRATION FEES HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY CAN'T BE, UH, CAN'T PENALIZE SOMEBODY, BUT THEY HAVE TO REALLY COVER OUR COSTS, PROBABLY $300.

I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE CITY MANAGEMENT IF THAT EVEN COVERS OUR COSTS OR NOT TO, UH, CONTINUE TO, UM, UH, REGULATE AND MONITOR THE PROGRAM.

SO, YEAH.

SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WELL, IT SAYS POTENTIAL PROGRAM ENHANCEMENTS.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING BOTH OF THESE CHANGES AND WE BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE DEFENSIBLE.

THERE'S A WAY, UH, TO PROBABLY MITIGATE ANY RISK RELATED TO, UH, VESTING BY, UH, GRANDFATHERING EVEN THE FIVE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY REGISTERED.

BUT, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT, UH, WE BELIEVE IT'S MINIMAL RISK.

UM, AND, UM, BUT, BUT THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE BELIEVE IN ADDITION TO THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN MARCH AT THIS TIME, CONSIDERING, UH, THE LEGAL CASES THAT STILL HAVE TO BE ADJUDICATED FULLY, UM, THIS IS THE MOST PRUDENT PATH FORWARD.

WE DID WANNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE YOU ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AT MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES.

SO THERE ARE SHORTTERM RENTALS AT 80 AT THERE ARE 86 SHORT-TERM RENTALS AT 14 DIFFERENT COMPLEXES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

HERE IS JUST A CHART TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE ARE A, A COUPLE OF COMPLEXES THAT HAVE A REALLY HIGHER NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAN MOST, BUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND MULTI-FAMILY TIES ARE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO ADDRESS BECAUSE MOST LISTINGS FOR MULTI-FAMILY UNITS CONTAIN NO IDENTIFYING INFORMATION FOR THE SPECIFIC UNIT.

IT'S MUCH EASIER WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT HAS PICTURES OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

YOU CAN GO AND FIND THAT HOME ON GOOGLE MAPS OR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF OTHER DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT THERE IS VERY RARELY ANY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION ABOUT SPECIFIC UNITS IN MULTIFAMILY LISTINGS.

THE LISTINGS CHANGE REALLY FREQUENTLY.

UH, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT IS GONNA REQUIRE US TO HAVE REALLY GOOD COORDINATION WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS.

JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT TO DATE, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CODE COMPLAINTS ABOUT MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES HAVING ST OUR PRIMARY FOCUS TO DATE HAS BEEN ON SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, UM, WHAT OUR UNIVERSITIES THERE.

BUT WE DO PLAN TO MEET WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AT THESE 14 LOCATIONS ABOUT S STRS TO DISCUSS PARTNERSHIPS TO ENSURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ADEQUATE REGISTRATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES.

SO, JUST AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, WE'D LOVE TO RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK.

WE DO HAVE TO COMPLETE OUR NEW SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION AND THEN CONTINUE TO ENFORCE THE STRS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH IT, TEMPORARY PROHIBITION REGULATIONS.

WELL, THANK YOU.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

UM, WHILE THE STATISTICS AREN'T, UH, SIGNIFICANT, I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE LIVING NEXT TO THEM, AND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE SAYING 0.21% OF CALLS OR FOR MURDER OR BERKELEY OF A VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S NOT ON THAT LEVEL OF A PERSONAL PROPERTY CRIME, BUT IF YOU'RE LIVING NEXT TO ONE AND YOU'RE FEEL, UH, UNSAFE, I CAN SEE HOW THAT MIGHT, UM, UM, NOT REALLY MATTER, UH, AS FAR AS THE STATISTICALLY SPEAKING.

SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

I, I, I RECOGNIZE IT'S A SMALL NUMBER OF CALLS, BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE MAKING ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE FOR THOSE THAT LIVE NEXT TO THEM, UM, THIS IS REALLY

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IMPORTANT AND FEELS, UH, MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL THAN THE STATISTICS SHOW.

UM, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

HOW FAR, HOW MANY ON A STANDARD STREET, I GUESS HOW MANY HOMES WOULD HAVE TO BE BETWEEN ONE RENTAL AND ANOTHER TO MEET THE 300 FEET? THAT HOME, THE AVERAGE LINEAR FEET OF EACH HOME IN RICHARDSON IS BETWEEN 60 AND 75 FEET.

SO FOUR ABOUT FOUR HOMES.

ALL RIGHT.

THERE'S, AND, AND I GUESS LEGALLY SPEAKING, COULD WE EXTEND THAT, JOE, OR IS THIS THE MAXIMUM YOU WOULD RECOMMEND? AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO YOUR FINES.

'CAUSE YOUR REGULATIONS ARE BASED ON YOUR POLICE POWER'S HELP.

STATE.

SO IT COME DOWN TO YOUR FINES, LEGITIMIZE IT NEEDS TO BE A, A LARGER AREA OF THAT, UM, THAT POSSIBLY AGAINST.

UH, AND THEN ONE QUESTION ON THE, THE CASES THAT ARE PENDING, YOU SAY IT'LL BE, UM, MAYBE ANOTHER YEAR-ISH BEFORE THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT DECIDES, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO EXTEND THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION UNTIL THAT THOSE CASES ARE DECIDED? SO LET ME, LET ME PAUSE HERE.

IF WE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT AND GET LEGAL COUNSEL, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

YEAH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, SO WELL WE CAN LET OTHERS ASK AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SOUNDS GOOD.

MAYOR PRO, TIM HUTCHEN, RIDER.

THANK, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

I I NEED TO ADDRESS IT TO DON, SORRY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO ADDRESS IT TO JOHN, DON, OR JOE.

SO MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS WHATEVER WE DO, IF, IF A SUIT IS FILED, TWO QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD ASSUME WHO EVER THE, THE PLAINTIFF, THEY WOULD ASK FOR RELIEF FROM WHATEVER THE REGULATION IS.

AND THEN WOULD THEY ASK FOR SOME TYPE OF FINANCIAL, UM, I'LL SAY REIMBURSEMENT, THAT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT SOME TYPE FOR LOST S UH, I'M ASSUMING SHORT TERM RENTAL.

JOE, JOE, THAT I'M GONNA, AGAIN, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT THESE THAT CAN WE ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? WELL, I, I GET, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

IF EITHER OF THOSE ARE TRUE.

ARE WE COVERED UNDER OUR INSURANCE THAT IF, IF, BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S THAT CONSIDERATION AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDER EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT'S FINE.

I PREFER, I PREFER I ANSWER THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ALSO.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

I'LL HOLD THAT QUESTION THEN.

THANK YOU MAYOR JOE, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP 'CAUSE I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION TO WHAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE ASKED ABOUT THE 300 FEET.

UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED TO HER, YOUR RESPONSE TO HER QUESTION WAS THAT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WORD YOU USED, BUT THAT'S WHAT I INTERPRETED AS IF WE WANTED TO GO ANYTHING BIGGER.

I GUESS, WHAT WAS THE 300 FEET, WHY WAS THAT CONSIDERED STANDARD? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE? IS THAT SOMETHING, 'CAUSE I WAS DOING THE MATH AND FOUR HOUSES SEEMS TO THAT I WAS WONDERING WHY DON'T WE GO 500 FEET? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT TO ME IN MY HEAD, JUST SEEMED, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OUT.

LIKE WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION BEHIND IT? 300 FEET, 300 FEET WAS THE AVERAGE THAT WE, OF THE CITIES WE SURVEYED, 300 FEET WAS THE AVERAGE THAT WAS UTILIZED.

SOME WERE HIGHER, SOME WERE AS, AS LOW AS 200, THE 300 FEET WAS THE AVERAGE.

AND WE FELT LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD RATIONALIZE AND HAVE A BASIS FOR 300 FEET IS WHAT THE AVERAGE WAS, WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.

SO IT'S ABOUT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, IT FELT DEFENSIBLE RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

DEFENSIBLE NOT ON THE HIGH END.

NOT ON THE LOW END.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO.

A LOT OF IT IS DEPENDENT ON THE ACTUAL STR PLATFORMS THEMSELVES.

UM, LINDSEY, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DATA CHANGES EVERY DAY AND I'M NOT SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT.

UM, JUST LOOKING AT MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW WE HAD THREE STRS WITHIN MY BLOCK AND TWO OF THEM HAVE SINCE HERE RECENTLY, SINCE WE PUT THE MORATORIUM, HAVE PUT A FOR SALE SIGN, ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM WAS ONE TO A HOUSE THAT'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR A YEAR, CAME OFF BECOME SDR, NOW IT'S BACK ON SALE IN THE MARKET AGAIN.

UM, SO, SO BASED ON JUST WHAT I SEE IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND, AT LEAST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THEY'RE ON THE MARKET.

MAYBE THEY CHANGE REAL ESTATE AGENTS, THEY TRY TO SELL IT OFF FOR A WHILE.

MAYBE SOMEBODY'S FLIPPING A HOUSE WAITING FOR THE MARKET TO REBOUND AND THEY MAKE, THEY MAKE IT A SDR SO THEY DON'T FULLY LOSE ALL THEIR MONEY WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE MARKET TO RETURN.

UM, SO ARE THESE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, LET'S SAY WE PUT A 300 FEET BARRIER IN THERE, RIGHT? ARE THESE REPORTS YOU'RE RUNNING DAILY? HOW, HOW DOES THIS WORK OPERATIONALLY TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF STAYING ON TOP AND MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT'S BEING ENFORCED? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

SO OUR NEW SOFTWARE DOES UPDATE REGULARLY.

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SO RIGHT NOW AIRBNB UPDATES EVERY SINGLE DAY, THEIR DATA CONNECTED TO AIRBNB UPDATES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THERE HAS BEEN A, A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH VRBO, BUT THEY ARE STILL UPDATING THAT DATA ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.

SO AT LEAST ON A WEEKLY BASIS, WE'RE ABLE TO SEE HOW THE UNIVERSE CHANGES, MOSTLY, MOSTLY ON A DAILY BASIS.

THE, THE COMMENT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS WITH IN WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, UH, MULTI-FAMILY ST BUT SAY THAT AGAIN, CLARIFY THE, THE CON THE CON THE COMMENT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT LINDSAY MADE EARLIER WAS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF MULTI-FAMILY ST NOT SINGLE FAMILY STS.

WE AREN'T HAVING THE SAME, WE AREN'T, AND LINDSAY, WHY DON'T YOU ELABORATE? WE'RE NOT HAVING THE SAME ISSUE WITH SINGLE FAMILY SDRS THAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO WITH MULTI.

SO WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF, WE DON'T SEE THAT AS MUCH, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT DATA REALLY FREQUENTLY.

AND AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THE DATA THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO THUS FAR FROM OUR NEW SOFTWARE IS MUCH MORE RELIABLE.

SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.

AND THE ISSUE IS, THE ISSUE ISN'T WITH HOW QUICK, HOW OFTEN IT'S BEING REFRESHED.

THE ISSUE IS WITH THEY DON'T PUT UNIT NUMBERS CORRECT.

SO IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE.

SO THAT'S A GOOD TRANSITION TO MY LAST QUESTION.

UM, OBVIOUSLY MULTI-FAMILY, IT'S A LOT MORE DIFFICULT.

I'M GUESSING THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO A YEAH, I'M THINKING USERS, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE LESS SPACE.

A LOT OF THE PARTIERS, A LOT OF THEIR BIG ISSUE TENDS TO HAPPEN IN THE HOUSES VERSUS THIS ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? YOU MENTIONED IT'S A LOT HARDER TO ENFORCE IN MULTI-FAMILY.

WHAT OTHERS, WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? AND I'M SURE YOU'VE LOOKED AROUND TO KIND OF ENFORCE THESE AND MAKE SURE THE RULES ARE BEING ENFORCED NOT JUST IN SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IN MULTI-FAMILY.

YEAH, SO YOU GUYS, ONE OF THE CHANGES YOU MADE BACK IN LATE MARCH WAS TO EXPAND THE DE DEFINITION OF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.

SO THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY IF ESSENTIALLY PROPERTY MANAGERS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GO THE EASY ROUTE, RIGHT? WE WANNA WORK WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS TO UNDERSTAND WHO, WHO'S RUNNING THESE, BECAUSE WE WANNA HOLD THOSE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

WE WANNA HOLD THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING STR ACCOUNTABLE, BUT ULTIMATELY WE CAN HOLD THE PROPERTY OWNER ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS FOR FAILURE TO REGISTER.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES MADE TO THE DEFINITION OKAY.

OF THE OWNER.

MAYOR, I MAY HAVE ONE QUESTION LATER, BUT I'M GONNA LET SOMEBODY ELSE SPEAK FOR NOW.

UH, GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, IF YOU CAN, UH, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT BRIEFLY THAT MULTI-FAMILY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT INDIVIDUAL RAN THAT UNIT AND THEN TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR IT'S DONE THROUGH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

COULD YOU ASK ME ONE, DO YOU THINK THAT THE, THE MULTI-FAMILY THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, IS THAT THROUGH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OR IS INDIVIDUAL SOMEONE RENTING THAT AND THEN I THINK THE MAJORITY IS INDIVIDUALS DOING THAT, BUT WE DO KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES WHO ARE RUNNING SHORT TERMINALS AS ONE OF THEIR LEASE OPTIONS.

AND THE PLACE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL RUNNING THOSE THINGS THERE THAT, DO THEY HAVE LIKE AGREEMENT THAT MANAGEMENT DOES NOT ALLOW? WE DON'T KNOW.

WE DON'T KNOW.

UH, NOW MY SECOND QUESTION IS THAT, UM, UNREGISTERED PROPERTY, HOW CONFIDENT YOU ARE THAT, THAT THAT'S ALL, THERE IS NO OTHER UNIT OUT THERE THAT'S NOT ON THE RADAR UNREGISTERED AT SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES? YEAH, WELL AGAIN, I MEAN, WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN THE DATA THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

OF COURSE THERE MAY BE SOME THAT COME UP, BUT THE NUMBER IS NOT, SHOULD NOT CHANGE DRASTICALLY, NO.

SO, OKAY.

GOT, THANK YOU.

AND ONE LAST QUESTION IS PROBABLY, UH, FOR THE CHIEF, UH, THE DISTURBANCE.

CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DISTURBANCE? WHAT IS A DISTURBANCE? YEAH, IT COULD BE A VARIETY OF ANYTHING.

IT COULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS PLAYING LOUD MUSIC INSIDE, UH, OUTSIDE AT THE POOL, LAUGHING AND CARRYING ON AT A TIME OF NIGHT THAT, UH, A NEIGHBOR WOULDN'T APPRECIATE THAT.

IT COULD BE PEOPLE GATHERING IN THE YARD.

UM, IT COULD BE JUST, IT COULD BE A FIGHT IN THE FRONT YARD.

IT COULD BE A, JUST A TON OF THINGS.

IT COULD BE PEOPLE PULLING UP PARKING LEGALLY, BUT LETTING, UM, THEIR CAR RUN, UH, LOUD PIPES.

UM, JUST ABSOLUTELY, IT'S A, IT'S A CATCHALL FOR DISTURBANCE.

A LOT OF TIMES WE MAY, WE MAY GET INFORMATION FROM THE NINE ONE ONE CALL AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WE END UP RECLASSIFYING IT EVEN.

'CAUSE I SAW THERE IS A CATEGORY THAT SAYS NOISE, SO MM-HMM .

NOISE COULD BE PART OF THE DISTURBANCE TOO.

AND, AND A LOT OF THAT DETERMINES, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, BUT THAT DETERMINES ON WHAT THE CALLER INFORMS THE DISPATCHER OR THE NINE ONE ONE, UM, CALL TAKER ON AND HOW THAT IS INTERPRETED BY THAT CALL TAKER AND HOW THAT'S CONVEYED IN THE MESSAGE.

SO, UH,

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SO WE'RE NOT COUNTING THOSE THINGS TWICE.

THAT ONE IS NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF COUNCIL MEMBER HAN'S POINT.

IT'S WILD TO ME THAT SINKS CITY LINE HAS SO MANY, I MEAN THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M ON THEIR WEBSITE NOW.

IT'S NOT AS IF ANYTHING ON THERE WOULD INDICATE IT'S ANYTHING BESIDES A NORMAL APARTMENT COMPLEX.

SO IT'S, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

UM, IT'S AN INTERESTING STATISTIC AND I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE INCREASED FEE TO COVER THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION.

I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE, WAS SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT.

WE SHOULD BE OKAY JUST KIND OF HAVING THE BEST OF THE BEST AS FAR AS SOFTWARE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND CHARGING PEOPLE TO, UM, TO COVER THAT ADMINISTRATION.

I THINK THAT, UH, A QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS ABOUT THE FIVE PROPERTIES IN THOSE EMAIL COMPLAINTS.

UM, OR SORRY, UH, 60% OF EMAIL COMPLAINTS WERE ABOUT FIVE PROPERTIES.

I MEAN, MY, I GUESS WHY HAVEN'T THOSE PROPERTIES GONE THROUGH OUR REVOCATION PROCESS YET? OR WHAT, IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THEM IN PARTICULAR THAT WE'RE WAITING ON OR THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINTS? A LOT OF IT YES, IS JUST THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINTS AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE REVOCATION PROCESS, WE DEEM THAT THERE HAVE TO BE CITATIONS ISSUED AND MM-HMM .

UH, AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF INFORMATION AFTER THE FACT.

SO EV WHETHER IT'S PD OR, OR COMMUNITY SERVICES RELATED, I'LL JUST GIVE TRASH AS AN EXAMPLE.

IF WE GET, IF YOU SEND US A PHOTO OF TRASH THAT WAS OUT ON SATURDAY, IF YOU SEND US THAT EMAIL ON MONDAY MM-HMM .

WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

SO IT'S THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO SEE IN PERSON TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE A, A VIOLATION AND TO ISSUE THE CITATION TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN DO FOR THE, SO OKAY, FOR THE UNREGISTERED PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVED A CITATION, DOES THAT CITATION COUNT AGAINST THEIR SORT OF CITATION QUOTA, IF YOU WILL? OR DOES A CITATION QUOTA FOR THEIR REATION PROCESS ONLY START ONCE THEY'VE REGISTERED? HMM.

SO, SO I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD COUNT.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD COUNT THAT AGAINST THEM MOVING FORWARD FOR, UM, TRYING TO BUILD A CASE TO REVOKE THE PERMIT.

THAT HAS TO BE, UM, THAT HAS TO BE ACTIONS THAT WOULD EITHER BE A CO RESULT IN A, A CODE VIOLATION OR, UM, SOME, UM, POLICE MATTER THAT WE WOULD AGAIN, 'CAUSE WE, I MEAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, AND, AND WE'VE HAD, I THINK WE, WE WENT THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE REVOCATION PREVIOUSLY.

I MEAN, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, IS, AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A CITY, UM, IS TO BE CONFIDENT SAYING THAT THIS RISES TO A LEVEL THAT WE ARE GONNA TAKE SOMEONE'S ABILITY TO USE THEIR PROPERTY AWAY FROM THEM, LIKE THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR FOR INSTANCE, COULD USE THEIRS.

OR IF YOU ADOPT A SEPARATION THREE DOORS DOWN.

AND SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT'S TANTAMOUNT TO BEING ABLE TO GO IN FRONT OF A JUDGE AND SAYING THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU COLLECTIVELY, UM, WOULD NECESSITATE THIS PERSON NO LONGER BEING ABLE TO USE THEIR PROPERTY LIKE EVERY OTHER PROPERTY OWNER WOULD.

AND SO I, I THINK IT'S, AGAIN, I THINK TO ME THE BAR IS HIGH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS, UM, FROM SOMEONE.

AND SO, UM, I THINK OF IT LIKE A CHAPTER 1 25 CASE UNDER STATE LAW.

I MEAN, AND, AND WHAT KIND OF A BAR THAT YOU HAVE TO SET AND REACH TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT CHAPTER, UH, TO CALL SOMETHING A NUISANCE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU WOULD TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS AWAY.

I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO HIT THAT LEVEL, BUT I DO THINK IT'S MORE THAN A COUPLE OF TRASH, YOU KNOW, NOTICES.

UM, I THINK THAT, WELL, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WELL, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES AS A CITY IS, ARE, DO WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE RECEIVING MORE CODE VIOLATION NOTICES THAN SOME OF THESE, UH, SDRS? AND THE ANSWER IS YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T TAKE THOSE KINDS OF MEASURES WITH THEM.

AND SO I THINK TO TO TO TO MINI TO MITIGATE THE RISK AND TO LEGALLY POSITION US IN A SOUND WAY THAT WE WOULD ALL WANT TO TRY TO DEFEND, WE HAVE TO APPROACH THIS.

UM, AND, AND, AND, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATE WHY WE WOULD TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS AWAY FROM 'EM.

AND I THINK THAT BAR HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE DEFENSIBLE IN COURT.

DO WE NOT SEE THE SAME CONCENTRATION? SO YOU SEE A VERY HIGH CONCENTRATION OF THOSE EMAIL COMPLAINTS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.

BUT FOR COLLINS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO OUR POLICE, WE DON'T SEE THAT SAME LEVEL OF CONCENTRATION IN, IN CALLS.

IT'S SPREAD OUT EVENLY ON THOSE PROPERTIES.

THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER DANE.

THESE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE THESE INDIVIDUALS LEASING OR SIGNING A LEASE A YEAR LEASE, 13 MONTH LEASE AND THEN, AND THEN JUST SETTING UP AS AN STR? YES SIR.

UH, LINDSEY, I HAVE A QUESTION ON, I NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE MULTIFAMILY REGISTERED AND UNREGISTERED ARE OUR LEASES OR, OR RENTALS.

SO ARE, ARE

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IT HAPPENS AT SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES AS WELL.

REALLY? MM-HMM .

AND DO YOU KNOW IF THE COMPLEX, UH, IS THAT PART OF THEIR REGULATION OR IS ALLOWED THROUGH THEIR COVENANTS OR HOA OR I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A CIVIL ISSUE.

WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? UH, SINK AT CITY LINE THERE, 39 UNITS THERE.

I MEAN THAT WOULD, I'D LOOK AT THAT AS A CLUSTER.

THOSE, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IS RENTING OUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AT THAT PROPERTY.

CHIEF, I WANNA, UH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU SAID, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID AND IF SO I'M GONNA NEED CLARIFICATION AND UNDERSTANDING.

UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT CALLING 9 1 1 AND SORRY, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT CALLING 9 1 1 AND POLICE.

NOW I AM, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN I, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A HOMEOWNER, I'M ALWAYS, OKAY, DO I CALL 9 1 1 OR THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE ISSUES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S USUALLY VIA, YEAH, I, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO RUN INTO USE OUR CITY APP.

SO WHY WOULD WE, ARE YOU ENCOURAGING US TO JUST CALL HIM ON ALL ISSUES? AND IF THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I GUESS, HOW DOES THAT, I THINK OF DATA POINTS BEING ESTABLISHED WHEN WE CALL THE 24 HOUR RESPONSE LINE.

I THINK OF IT WHEN WE ADMIT IT, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT IT VIA THE APP.

LIKE IF MY NEIGHBOR SAYS DAN'S TREES ARE TOO LOW, HE HASN'T TRIMMED HIS TREES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING US TO CALL 9 1 1 OR WHAT? PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT WE CALL POLICE VERSUS GREAT QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CLARIFY ON THIS CALL.

9 1 1 FOR POLICE RELATED ISSUES, TRASH PICKUP, UM, AND TRIMMING TREES IS NOT POLICE RELATED ISSUE, RIGHT? PARKING THAT IS A POLICE RELATED ISSUE.

SOMETIMES IT'S A DUAL SHARED ISSUE, BUT, UM, NO CALL 9 1 1 ON POLICE RELATED ISSUES.

SO NOT ALL STR ISSUES, JUST POLICE RELATED.

AND YOUR 9 1 1 SYSTEM, YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL A LOG IF I CALL 9 1 1.

'CAUSE THE STR NEXT DOOR TO ME IS, I KNOW, UH, UH, THEY'RE PLAYING LOUD MUSIC AT 2:00 AM AND THAT'S A, YOU'RE THEN ABLE TO PULL THAT WEEKLY, MONTHLY, OR HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT AND THEN PASS THAT ON TO LINDSAY'S TEAM SO THAT THERE'S COMMUNICATION AND SHE CAN TRACK THAT.

IS THAT HOW IT'S WORKING? THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.

WE WILL RECONCILE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE TO KNOWN, REGISTERED AND KNOWN UNREGISTERED LOCATIONS.

SO WHEN OFFICERS ARRIVE FOR LOUD MUSIC, THEY'RE ESTABLISHING WHETHER THAT'S A STR OR NOT, THEY'RE THE ONES ACTUALLY IDENTIFYING IT.

WE WILL GET THE LOCATIONS FROM LINDSEY'S TEAM.

THIS NEW DATA IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT REAL TIME.

UM, ONCE THEY BECOME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, UH, THAN THE, WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE, THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE US ACCESS TO THAT FOR US TO DO SOME COMPARISONS AND REAL TIME INFORMATION CHECKING, UH, TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CONFI CON CONFIRMATIONS IN THE FIELD.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

CHIEF, UH, LINDSEY, WHEN WE, ONE OF THE ISSUES I'VE HEARD ACTUALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY AT CHURCH A FEW WEEKS BACK AND IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF OUR RESIDENT WHO SPOKE EARLIER TODAY AND UM, THEY LIVE IN A CUL-DE-SAC AND CUL-DE-SAC PARKING TENDS TO BE A LITTLE EXTRA SPECIAL AN ISSUE THAN NON CUL-DE-SAC PARKING.

HAVE WE LOOKED AT, AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS THIS MAY BE A JOKE QUESTION, SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE LATER.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT, UM, CAN WE SET UP SPECIFIC PARKING RULES OR REGULATIONS AROUND CUL-DE-SACS OR HOW TO 'CAUSE CUL-DE-SACS TEND TO BE A LITTLE TIGHTER, UM, THAN SAY THIS STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

HAVE WE LOOKED AT ANY SPECIFIC ISSUES IN THE TYPE OF ROAD THEY'RE AT? WE'VE HAD PREVIOUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT CUL-DE-SACS AND IN THOSE INSTANCES, PD AND I OR SOMEONE FROM MY TEAM HAVE GONE OUT AND TALKED THROUGH HOW YOU CAN PROPERLY PARK IN A CUL-DE-SAC SO THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE CUL-DE-SAC CAN REPORT ANY ISSUES THAT AREN'T IN LINE WITH STATE LAW.

AND IT'S BEEN EFFECTIVE.

KNOW WE'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET A LEGAL OPINION ON.

SO IT'S EDUCATING THE PUBLIC AND LETTING 'EM KNOW, HEY, THESE ARE LEGAL.

CORRECT.

AND IF YOU SEE THIS, LET US KNOW.

OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, COUNSEL, I

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UM, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF, UH, EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA BREAK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, WE WILL COME RIGHT BACK SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THE CONVERSATION.

THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS ALL GOES AND WHAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND AS A COUNCIL, UH, WILL HOPEFULLY HEAR THAT AFTER OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, SO WE'LL BE ASKING YOU KINDLY TO LEAVE THE ROOM, UH, AND THEN WE WILL, UH, INVITE YOU RIGHT BACK IN, UH, ONCE THAT TIME HAPPENS.

SO IN COMPLIANCE

[EXECUTIVE SESSION (Part 1 of 2)]

WITH SECTION 5 5, 1 0.0711 AND TWO OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNSEL WILL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION.

THE TIME IS 6 55.

COUNSEL WILL

[RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION ]

RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION AND TAKE ACTION IF ANY ON MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THE TIME IS SEVEN 20.

ALRIGHT,

[5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS UPDATE ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS (Part 2 of 2)]

WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

UH, CONTINUING ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

UH, I THINK YOU MAY, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION NOW ON WHAT? YEAH, WE JUST KEEP, YEAH, SO I THINK I WOULD PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK TO THE STAFF THAT I AGREE WITH INCREASING THE, UM, REGISTRATION FEE.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UM, ADOPT A REGULATION REQUIRING, UH, 500 FEET BETWEEN, UH, STRS AND, UM, THAT WE, UM, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE, UH, SORT OF AN ALLOWANCE TO, TO MITIGATE RISK, UH, FOR ANY CURRENTLY UNREGISTERED, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT ZONE.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, JUST WANNA SAY I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE JUST SHARED.

I SUPPORT THAT.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IF, IF NECESSARY, UM, ARE THERE ANY OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS OR IS 500 FEET COMFORTABLE FOR EACH OF US TO MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATION? ALRIGHT, I'VE GOT SOME THUMBS UP AND NO LIGHTS ON OPPOSING.

UM, THE SECOND, UH, PART WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING THE, UH, FEE FROM A HUNDRED TO 300, ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT? OKAY.

AND THEN THE LAST WOULD BE, UH, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT UM, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE GRANDFATHER THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NOT REGISTERED BUT ARE WITHIN THE 500 FEET OF ANOTHER GROUP OR ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARRIOS.

UM, MAYOR, MY THOUGHTS ARE TO NOT GRANDFATHER THEM.

TO NOT GRANDFATHER, TO NOT GRANDFATHER THEM.

UM, YEAH.

THEY WOULD STILL NOT BE ABLE TO REGISTER MM-HMM .

COUNCIL MEMBER INE, UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION WOULD BE THE SAME, BUT IF THERE IS ALREADY REGISTERED, THEY CAN GRANDFATHER IF THERE IS, IF, IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, BUT IF THERE IS NO, THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED, THEN THERE IS NOTHING THERE.

SO, SO WE'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THAT IF THERE, IF, IF THERE'RE ALREADY REGISTERED, WE GRANDFATHER THEM IF THEY ARE NOT REGISTERED AND THERE'S ALREADY ONE THAT'S WITHIN 500 FEET THAT WE WOULD NOT GRANDFATHER THEM IS WHAT THE TWO OF YOU THUS FAR HAVE STATED.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I JUST, UH, WANT FOR CLARIFICATION IF FOR THE ONES THAT ARE NOT REGISTERED, UH, THEY STILL HAVE A, A LITTLE MORE TIME TO REGISTER IF THEY, BEFORE WE POTENTIALLY MAKE ANYTHING THE, THE, SO 2, 2, 2 WAYS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

THE FIRST WAY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IS IF THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED AND THEY'RE NOT WITHIN 500 FEET, YES, THEY WILL HAVE TIME TO REGISTER.

UM, OF COURSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN, THEY'VE RECEIVED A CITATION ALREADY.

I UNDERSTAND.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE QUESTION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU HAVE A REGISTERED STR AND SOMEONE WITHIN 500 FEET IS NOT REGISTERED TODAY, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GRANDFATHER THEM.

THERE IS NO, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY LEEWAY OR AMOUNT OF TIME.

WELL, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, LET'S JUST SAY FOR ANOTHER WEEK OR SO TO REGISTER.

IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR CHOICE IS, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST IN THIS DELIBERATION CLARIFYING QUESTION.

WE, WE, WE COULDN'T, I MEAN THE GRANDFATHERING WOULD START FROM THE DAY WE WE PASSED THE REGULATION, CORRECT? YES.

IT WOULDN'T BE AS OF TONIGHT.

'CAUSE WE'RE NOT PASSING THE REGULATION TONIGHT EITHER WAY.

YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

AM I, AM I CORRECT ON THAT, DON? YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT OR CAN IT BE, CAN IT BE AS OF TONIGHT? I ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS AS OF THE REGULATION PASSAGE.

WELL, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BE IN VIOLATION OF THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT UNTIL THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED.

SO IF THEY WERE TO REGISTER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOBODY CAN REGISTER RIGHT NOW ANYWAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A MORATORIUM.

SO THE POINT IS, IF THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED TODAY AND THERE IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL NEAR THEM WITHIN 500 FEET, THEN

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SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH TIME YOU WANNA GIVE 'EM AT THIS POINT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE DECISION WE'VE GOTTA MAKE IS DO WE GRANDFATHER THEM? DO WE NOT GRANDFATHER THEM? I, I UNDERSTAND.

I I, THE, THE PIECE OF THAT, WE HAVE THE MORATORIUM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, SO WE'VE GOT COUNCIL MEMBER INE SAYING, UH, TO NOT GRANDFATHER AND THE SAME WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN? I JUST, I THINK BEING A LITTLE MORE NUANCED IS PROBABLY HELPFUL.

I MEAN, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW WE TIME LIFTING THE MORATORIUM AND PASSING THE NEW ORDINANCE, THAT SHOULD, IF WE CAN DO IT IN A STAGGERED FASHION, IT SHOULD GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO, TO GET REGISTERED.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IF THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED, THERE'S NOTHING TO GRANDFATHER FOR THOSE PROPERTIES, IN OTHER WORDS.

I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WOULDN'T BE SO, SO THE PLAN WOULD BE, IF YOU DIRECT ME TO PROCEED WITH THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE ON YOUR, UH, AUGUST 10TH AGENDA FOR ADOPTION.

THE MORATORIUM IS IN PLACE UNTIL AUGUST 25TH.

OH.

SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY, THE ONLY WAY SOME, THE ONLY WAY ONE OF THE NON-REGISTERED, UM, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN 500 FEET OF ANOTHER WOULD BE ELIGIBLE IS IF YOU WAITED UNTIL AFTER AUGUST 25 TO POTENTIALLY ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.

SO, BUT, BUT MY, I WAS PLANNING ON BRINGING THE ORDINANCE BACK BEFORE THE MORATORIUM EXPIRED, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

AND WE COULD NOW, BY THE WAY, COUNCILMAN CORCORAN, WHAT, WHAT YOU COULD SAY IS, HEY, I WANNA GRANDFATHER PEOPLE WHO ARE, HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED THEIR CITATION, BUT NO ONE ELSE.

I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE A NUANCE OF THAT KIND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE OPTIONS IF YOU WANT OPTIONS.

BUT I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GRANDFATHER SOMEONE WHO RECEIVES A CITATION BUT THEN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REGISTER AND THEN STILL DOESN'T REGISTER.

SO, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT OF LIGHTS ON.

LET'S SEE WHAT, LET'S SEE WHAT A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE FAIR ENOUGH SAY COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

UM, THANK YOU.

I'M WONDERING, WHEN WE PUT OUT THE, UM, NOTICE THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THE TEMPORARY PROHIBITION AND GAVE FOLKS WHATEVER, 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER IT WAS, DID WE SEE AN INFLUX OF REGISTRATIONS? UM, HOW, HOW MANY APPROXIMATELY REGISTERED IN THAT TIME PERIOD? THERE WAS DEFINITELY AN INFLUX, I DUNNO THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT ALSO REMEMBER THAT WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR NEW SOFTWARE EITHER THEN.

SO WHEN, AT THE INITIAL PERIOD WHEN WE STARTED THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON OLDER SOFTWARE, WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, WASN'T QUITE AS ACCURATE.

WELL, I MEAN WHEN WE WERE LAST HERE BEFORE THE SOFTWARE WE REPORTED TO YOU THAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD 90 ISH RIGHT, LINDSEY? CORRECT.

SO NOW WE HAVE 170, SO OH, SO WE HAD 80 POTENTIALLY REGISTER IN THAT TIME PERIOD.

NO, NO.

UH, HOW MANY? WE WENT FROM 90 TO 107.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? 70.

70.

170.

OH, WE DID HAVE THAT MANY.

WOW.

SO THAT, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.

SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO GRANDFATHER, WE NEED TO MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTIES WE'RE AWARE OF.

NOW IF, IF YOU WERE TO GRANDFATHER, OKAY.

UM, COUNCILOR VARS.

UM, LINDSEY, YOU'RE DONE.

CAN Y'ALL CLARIFY, I KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SOFTWARE WHEN WE, BUT WE GAVE THEM SOME FRONT SOME TIME ON THE FRONT END OF THE MORATORIUM.

WAS THAT 60 DAYS? 90 DAYS? WHAT'S THAT? 30? IT WAS 30 DAYS.

SO THEY HAD 30 DAYS FROM WHEN WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE TO REGISTER BEFORE AND IT ALL, OKAY.

SO GIVEN THAT, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TURNED AROUND OR AT LEAST CONSIDERED OUT LOUD TO GO ABOUT MAYBE GIVING ANOTHER WINDOW.

I FEEL LIKE THEY HAD THE WINDOW ON THE FRONT END OF THIS.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR A FEW MONTHS, SO I DON'T SEE WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO COUNCIL MEMBER CORCO GIVE HIM AN EXTRA TIME.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR BARRIOS ON THAT.

SO YOU ARE NOW IN THE DON'T GRANDFATHER CATEGORY? YES.

SO WE'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO NOT GRANDFATHER AT THIS POINT, AND WE HAVE FOUR OF US THAT HAVE NOT YET WEIGHED IN ON THAT ISSUE.

MAYOR PRO TEM, HUTCHIN RIDER.

DO THE LINDSEY.

I DID.

DOES, UH, DOES THE STAFF AGREE TO NOT HAVE A A ANY TYPE OF GRANDFATHERING? DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY OPINION ON THAT? IS THERE ANY I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE COVER ALL THE BASES.

THAT'S, NO, THAT'S REALLY A POLICY DECISION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.

TO BE, I THINK ULTIMATELY THE GOAL I, IF WE WERE TO SUMMARIZE WHAT OVERALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FOR US TO BE AS RE AGGRESSIVE AS POSSIBLE WHILE STILL BEING LEGALLY SAFE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OPINIONS HERE? I TRY TO DEFER TO MY COUNSEL FIRST, BUT I'M HAPPY TO WEIGH IN.

I, I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE GRANDFATHERING ON THIS.

I THINK THAT IT'S JUST GONNA CREATE POTENTIALLY MORE CONGESTION.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IF, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION AND WE'RE TRYING

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AND I DON'T KNOW THAT GRANDFATHERING VERSUS NOT GRANDFATHERING IS GONNA MAKE IT DRAMATICALLY LESS SAFE, ESPECIALLY IF WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN A CERTAIN WINDOW OF TIME.

UM, AND MY BIGGER CONCERN IS IF SOMEONE HAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL NEAR THEM AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GRANDFATHER IN ANOTHER ONE OR TWO, IT JUST FOR THEM, THEY LOSE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHERE I SIT ON IT.

ARE THERE ANY STRONG OPINIONS ON THE OTHER THREE? MAYOR PRO TE? I I WOULD, EXCUSE ME.

I WOULD AGREE THAT WE WOULD NOT DO THE GRANDFATHERING.

UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT FIVE OUTTA SEVEN, WHICH SHOULD BE MORE THAN A SAFE MAJORITY.

UH, SO WE ARE NOT GRANDFATHERING WE ARE MOVING TO 500 FEET VERSUS 300 AND WE ARE MOVING THE FEE UP TO $300.

THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS NEEDED.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THE MORATORIUM WILL EXPIRE AS PLANNED ON AUGUST 25TH AND THE ORDINANCE WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA ON AUGUST THE 10TH.

CAN I ASK ONE? YES, SURE.

MAYOR PRO TIME, SINCE WE'RE GOING IN AND DOING THIS, I, I DON'T WANNA HAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE.

DON, DO YOU AND LINDSAY AND CHIEF, DO YOU THINK 300, IS THAT, WILL THAT COVER OUR COSTS OR DO WE NEED TO DO, DO WE NEED TO? I I JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO A REALLY DIFFICULT BUDGET SEASON.

SO I'M JUST, I I, I'D HATE TO SAY, OH, IN SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, THE 300 DIDN'T COVER IT.

I, I'D HATE TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND BITE THE APPLE AGAIN.

SO, YEP.

I, I JUST LOOK FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT.

AT THIS TIME, I THINK 300 IS, IS THE, IS A PRUDENT NUMBER.

IT'S THREE TIMES WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CHARGE.

UM, WE LOOK AT, UH, FEES EVERY YEAR MM-HMM .

AND SO IF WE DETERMINE, UH, WITH THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL OF THE TRACKING THAT WILL BE REQUIRED FROM THE MARCH, UH, ENHANCEMENTS AS WELL AS THIS, UH, WE CAN, UM, WE CAN REVISIT THAT NEXT YEAR AND COMMIT TO BRING, BRING ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, RECOMMENDATION BACK IF WE SEE THOSE COSTS EXCEED THE 300.

BUT THAT'S A GOOD ESTIMATE FOR NOW.

ON TO ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL UH, GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT AND PASS IT, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UM, ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE

[6. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE ZF 26-11, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AS AMENDED, BY GRANTING A CHANGE IN ZONING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.35 ACRES LOCATED AT 1352 S. PLANO ROAD, ON THE WEST SIDE OF S. PLANO ROAD, NORTH OF BUCKINGHAM ROAD, FROM LR-M(2) LOCAL RETAIL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF LR-M(2) LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH AMENDED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP, MAJOR.]

ZF 26 DASH 11.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP BY GRANTING A CHANGE IN ZONING AT 1352 SOUTH PLANO ROAD FROM LRM TWO LOCAL RETAIL TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF LRM TWO WITH AMENDED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP MAJOR.

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, CHRISTINE ROSS IS GOING TO, UH, LEAD THIS BRIEFING AND I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM FRAGRANCES IS HERE, UH, AND AVAILABLE AS WELL.

SO, CHRISTINE, I'LL TURN OVER TO YOU.

SHOP MAJOR WILL BE ALLOWED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINE ROSS.

I'M A PLANNER TWO HERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS ZONING FILE 2 6 11, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM LRM TWO LOCAL RETAIL TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP MAJOR LOCATED AT 1352 SOUTH PLANO ROAD.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH PLANO ROAD AND BUCKINGHAM ROAD AND A ZONED LRM TWO LOCAL RETAIL.

THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES ON ALL SIDES, INCLUDING SEVERAL AUTO ORIENTED USES AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH PLANO ROAD AND BUCKINGHAM ROAD.

THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED IN 1978 AS A 303,600 SQUARE FOOT MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP.

NUMEROUS COMPANIES HAVE CONTINUOUSLY OPERATED IN THIS BUILDING AND GERMAN MOTORWORKS HAS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING SINCE 1996 AND PROVIDES A VARIETY OF SERVICES LISTED HERE ON THE SCREEN.

THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE DEFINITION OF MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP MAJOR AS DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE.

ALL SERVICES ARE CONDUCTED INDOORS WITHIN TWO SERVICE AREAS, AND SIX VEHICLES CAN BE SERVICED AT A SINGLE TIME.

ONLY ONE OF THE SERVICE BAYS IS ACCESSIBLE FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH CAUSES OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES.

SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ADD ONE OVERHEAD BAY DOOR TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND CLOSED ON WEEKENDS.

SO THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF TONIGHT'S REQUEST.

THE FIRST IS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST.

UM, SO MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP MAJOR IS CONSIDERED A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE AND, UH, IN THE, UM, LM TWO ZONING DISTRICT AND FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUILDINGS MAY NOT BE EXPANDED OR ALTERED TO ACCOMMODATE A NON-CONFORMING USE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WISHES TO ADD ONE OVERHEAD BAY DOOR.

UM, THIS IS CONSIDERED AN ALTERATION OF A STRUCTURE BY REZONING TO A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF LM TWO WITH AMENDED USES.

THE MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR

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THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING RELIEF FROM VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE PD AND EVALUATED WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST.

AND THE SECOND PART IS THE SPECIAL PERMIT ITSELF.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.

SO THE SITE IS ACCESSED FROM A SHARED DRIVE APPROACH AT THE NORTHEAST OF THE PROPERTY OFF OF SOUTH PLANO ROAD AND FROM A SHARED DRIVE AISLE TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.

PARALLEL TO THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED FURTHER WEST, NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE EXISTING ACCESS POINTS.

I HAVE OUTLINED THE AREA OF THE EXISTING OVERHEAD BAY DOOR AND THE PROPOSED OVERHEAD BAY DOOR IN RED.

AND I'LL DISCUSS IT MORE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

BUT THE AREA SHADED IN GREEN IS THE AREA WHERE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO RELOCATE THE DUMPSTER FROM THE NORTH, THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, OR OF THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW OVERHEAD BAY DOOR.

AND I'VE CIRCLED THAT AREA IN YELLOW.

AND UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ADD A TWO FOOT WIDE STRIPED BUFFER AREA ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE FOREHEAD AND PARKING SPACES, UM, TO PREVENT VEHICLE OVERHANG INTO THE NEIGHBORING DRIVE AISLE TO THE NORTH.

AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ADD A FOUR FOOT WIDE STRIPED PAVEMENT BUFFER AREA, ALSO ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE THREE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE CLEARANCE FOR PASSENGER SIDE DOORS.

AND I'VE SHADED BOTH THOSE AREAS IN BLUE.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY NINE DIAGONAL PARKING SPACES LOCATED ON THE SITE, UM, IN THE LOCATION WHERE THE THREE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ARE PROPOSED.

UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO STRIPE THOSE AREAS WITH THE, THE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES TO BRING THE SITE INTO FURTHER COMPLIANCE AND IMPROVE CIRCULATION.

AND THIS IS THE TABLE OUTLINING THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

UM, SO THE FIRST IS THAT THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR FACILITIES AND SERVICE STATIONS IS ONE, SORRY, IS FIVE PARKING SPACES PLUS TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR EACH SERVICE BAY WITH SIX SERVICE BAYS LOCATED INSIDE THE BUILDING.

A TOTAL OF 17 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO PROVIDE 13 PARKING SPACES.

HEADLIGHTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE SCREENED FROM ADJOINING STREETS AND RIGHTS AWAY AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING RELIEF ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.

THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE CONDITION AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH ROOM TO ADD THAT LANDSCAPE AREA AND MAINTAIN SITE CIRCULATION.

7% OF THE GROSS LAND AREA IS TYPICALLY RESERVED FOR LANDSCAPING, BUT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING 6.2% AND 10 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS ARE REQUIRED AT THE END OF EACH PARKING ROW, BUT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING RELIEF ON THAT REQUIREMENT.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PLANT A CONTINUOUS HEDGE ROW OF EVERGREEN SHRUBS, TWO CANOPY TREES, AND TWO ORNAMENTAL TREES ALONG THE SOUTH PLANO ROAD FRONTAGE.

AND THIS IS TWO MORE TREES THAN THE LANDSCAPE POLICY REQUIRES.

UM, SO WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT OUR ENHANCED AREA AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED LANGUAGE, UM, FOR HOW OUTDOOR STORAGE WILL BE ADDRESSED AND WHERE THE STORAGE OF VEHICLES AWAITING PICKUP AND SERVICE SHALL BE LIMITED TO.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION PLAN.

SO THE AREA IN, UM, GREEN IS THE PROPOSED OVERHEAD DOOR AND THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE EXISTING OVERHEAD BAY DOOR.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LOCATION OF THE NEW DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE TO THE RIGHT.

AND THESE ARE THE SITE PHOTOS.

THE PHOTO ON THE TOP IS THE, UM, THE EAST ELEVATION TAKEN FROM SOUTH PLANO ROAD AND THE PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM IS ON THE WEST ELEVATION, TAKEN FROM THAT PARKING LOT, UM, TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.

AND UM, I'VE OUTLINED THAT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE NEW OVERHEAD BAY DOOR IN RED.

AND THESE ARE THE SOUTH AND NORTH ELEVATIONS.

ENVISION RICHARDSON DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE WHICH ALLOWS FOR RETAIL, RESTAURANT, OFFICE AND ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AS PRIMARY USES AND UNLIKE LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS THAT MAY ATTRACT REGIONAL CUSTOMERS, THIS PLACE TYPE PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON SERVING THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

MOTOR VEHICLE USES ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE OR WITHIN ANY ANY PLACE TYPE IN THE ENVISION RICHARDSON PLAN.

BUT STAFF BELIEVES THIS PROPOSED USE IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE HIGH CONCENTRATION OF AUTO ORIENTED USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT A, AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADS AND IS VERY TYPICAL TO SEE THESE TYPES OF LAND USES ON THESE ROAD CLASSIFICATIONS.

THERE ARE THREE GAS STATIONS, THREE AUTO REPAIR SHOPS, A CAR WASH AND A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT LOCATED AROUND THE SOUTH PLANO ROAD AND BUCKINGHAM ROAD INTERSECTION BOTH IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND

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IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND TO DATE STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS.

AND AT THE JULY 7TH CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION VOTED TO UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE REQUEST TONIGHT.

THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE CONDITION, UM, WHICH INCLUDES A REQUIREMENT THAT THE SITE MUST BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND THE ELEVATION PLAN, AND THE SIMULTANEOUS APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WHICH WILL LIMIT THE OPERATOR TO GERMAN MOTORWORKS.

UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALRIGHT, I GUESS WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOE DALE.

UM, I OWN, UH, TRU MOTORWORKS 1352 SOUTH PLANO ROAD, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 1.

WE JUST, UH, REQUESTING TO, UH, INSTALL A, A BAY DOOR IN THE BACK OF THE SHOP.

UH, JEFF BASS.

I AM HELPING JOE TO DEVELOP THIS, UH, ADDRESS, 7 0 1 8 CLEAR SPRINGS PARKWAY, GARLAND, TEXAS.

AND, UM, STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE PRESENTATION AND COURSE WORKING WITH STAFF AND THEN COMING THROUGH PLAN COMMISSION HAVE BEEN VERY, UM, VERY HELPFUL AND MADE THIS AN EASY PROCESS.

WE'RE HERE JUST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, STAFF HAS, UM, DONE A REALLY NICE JOB WITH THE PRESENTATION.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

HEY, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE.

I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE DIAGONAL PARKING VERSUS THE, UH, HORIZONTAL PARKING.

I MEAN, UH, STAFF SAID THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED OR THAT Y'ALL WERE PROPOSING.

COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? SO YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YES, SO EXISTING WERE THE THREE, UH, PARALLEL SPOTS ARE, IS, UM, ANGLED PARKING AND, UM, STAFF SUGGESTION OF THIS WAS TO GET THE REQUIRED TWO FOOT BARRIER AND MM-HMM TO, UM, STILL MAINTAIN A DRIVE LINE.

THE, THE AREA WHERE THE CARS DRIVE THROUGH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT A FIRE LANE AND IT IS, UM, I THINK CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN HERE.

I THINK IT'S 14 FEET.

SO YEAH, SO THERE'S A FOUR WITH THE ANGLE PARKING, THERE'S A 14 FEET, UM, YOU KNOW, WIDTH FOR CARS TO DRIVE THROUGH.

UM, I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER WAS.

UM, CHRISTINE, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS? WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING THAT.

SO IT REALLY DEPENDS UPON THE ANGLE OF THE PARKING THAT'S PROVIDED, BUT USUALLY WITH ANGLED PARKING WHEN YOU HAVE A DRY VI, IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 17 AND A HALF FEET.

AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS UPON THE ANGLE OF WHICH WAS PROVIDED.

SO MM-HMM .

SO THAT THE STAFF'S REQUEST AND THERE'S, THERE'S A CURRENTLY, UH, WITH THE ANGLE PARKING, THERE'S A 14 FOOT, UH, CLEARANCE TO DRIVE BY, BUT YEAH, WE DOING IT PARALLEL.

HE IS LOSING A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT AGAIN, WE WANNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THIS UP TO CODE AS BEST, AS BEST AS IS, IS, UH, POSSIBLE.

AND IF, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I I DEFINITELY AM, I'M LOOKING AND I AM SYMPATHETIC TO DOING WHAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, BUT ALSO WITH THE NON-CONFORMING USE IN THE AREA.

I'M ALSO, I'M WONDERING, I MEAN, DOES THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THIS SPECIFIC USE, I MEAN, HOW MANY CARS ARE SORT OF KEPT THERE OVERNIGHT AND PARKED THERE AND DOES, DOES THAT MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT'S ANGLED OR HORIZONTAL AS FAR AS CARS THAT MAYBE HAVE TO BE PARKED SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY OR, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IN THAT WAY? I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO THINK THROUGH LIKE MAKING THIS LIKE THE BEST COMPROMISE BETWEEN BRINGING IT UP TO CODE AND ALSO KIND OF KEEPING THE BUSINESS WITHIN THE PARCEL.

WELL, AS FAR, AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE BEST FOR, IT WOULD BE BEST FOR JOE IF WE COULD LEAVE THE ANGLE TO PARKING THE WAY IT IS.

'CAUSE THEN HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE CARS PARKED THERE.

UM, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF CARS THERE OVERNIGHT, I'LL DEFER TO JOE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S USUALLY NOT TOO MANY CARS, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE CARS.

AND THE REST OF 'EM, UH, WE PRETTY MUCH BRING THEM INSIDE OVERNIGHT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER DOYEN.

THE ONES YOU CAN'T BRING INSIDE, ARE THEY PICKED UP DAILY OR, OR ARE THEY THERE FOR A, A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AND WE ONLY HAVE TWO CARS THERE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, BUT PRETTY MUCH, I MEAN, CUSTOMERS PICK 'EM UP DAILY, DROP OFF AND PICK UP DAILY.

UM, COUPLE OF QUE UM, I, I, I LIVE IN THAT AREA AND THAT'S, UH, PART OF MY PLACE OR DISTRICT, UM, COUPLE, UM, I DRIVE BY THERE OFTEN, SO I DO SEE THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICLES.

ARE, ARE MOST OF THOSE VEHICLES, UM,

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AND HOW MANY VEHICLES DO YOU NORMALLY HAVE THERE ON SITE AT ONE TIME? I MEAN, JUST VARIES.

12 TO 15.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ON THE, ON THE GREEN SPACE OUT FRONT, IS THAT GOING TO BE SPRINKLERED WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING, UH, PROPOSED ENHANCED LANDSCAPING? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S IRRIGATION THERE RIGHT NOW.

I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU'RE GONNA, HOW IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT AREA RIGHT NOW WHERE SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE, UM, ON THAT CORNER ARE, ARE GETTING, UH, REMODELED.

SO THEY'RE HAVING NEW FACADES PUT IN, THEY'RE TRYING TO ELEVATE THE AREA, IF YOU WILL.

AND, UH, CONSIDERING THIS, YOU KNOW, IS AN AUTOMOTIVE, UH, UH, SHOP, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP THAT BUFFER WHERE IT KIND OF ENHANCES THE AREA OR, OR STARTS, STARTS ENHANCING IT AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF WHATEVER, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LANDSCAPING THERE, WHAT IS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IRRIGATION, HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING? IS IT JUST GONNA BE HARDSCAPING? I NOTICED YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN SOME TREES AND SOME OTHER FOLIAGE, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY, IRRIGATION.

OTHERWISE IT, IT WON'T LAST.

WE CAN WATER THEM.

I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN WE, I MEAN HE CAN, HE CAN WATER THEM.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS, I HAVEN'T CHECKED TO SEE IF THERE WAS IRRIGATION THERE BEFORE OR NOT.

I MEAN, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST IT BECAUSE IF HE'S GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE TIME AND, AND MONEY TO PUT THOSE TREES AND, AND, AND THOSE BUSHES AND THAT GRASS, I'M ASSUMING IT'S IT'S REAL GRASS, NOT ARTIFICIAL TURF, THEN I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BE DRIVING BY THERE AND, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT THERE'S A GR A NICE GREEN BUFFER IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF BESIDES THE OVERHEAD DOOR.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAINT THE BUILDING? NO.

OR, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

CORRECT.

BUT I MEAN, WHEN, ONCE THIS IS APPROVED THOUGH, HE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT IN THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS APPROVED.

SO HE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE TREES AND THE BUSHES.

YEAH, I KNOW, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AWARE NOW, SO, BUT NO, I MEAN THEN COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.

I HADN'T THOUGHT OF BEFORE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S EXISTING IRRIGATION THERE, BUT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO IT IF, IF IT'S FEASIBLE FOR US TO IRRIGATE IT.

UM, IF NOT, HE'S GETTING, JOE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE OUT THERE WITH A WATER HOSE EVERY MORNING, HAVE TO HAND WATER IT.

AND I ALSO AGREE ON THE ANGLE VERSUS THE STRAIGHT IN.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET NEAR AS MANY PARKING SPACES, UH, WITH THE ANGLE AND, AND I, AND I DON'T, I DO KNOW THIS IS A PRETTY BUSY CENTER, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN FIN.

SITE, UM, IS THERE ANY OF THAT, THAT ABSOLUTE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU WANNA HAVE YOUR NAME THERE, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER BRAND STUFF THAT'S THERE, QUA MOLLY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S CONTRACTUALLY REQUIRED BY SOMEONE YOU'RE WORKING WITH OR IS THERE SOME SORT OF SPONSORSHIP? I MEAN, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE OIL COMPANY THAT WE USE.

WELL THANKS FOR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THIS THING AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THIS THING CONSIDERED INSTEAD OF DOING SOME OF THE WORK OUT THERE.

SOMETIMES.

UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH ANGLE PARKING WOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE PARKING, BUT HAVING THIS PARALLEL WILL MAKE SURE THAT SOME, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION WOULD BE MUCH BETTER.

UH, PEOPLE CAN DRIVE AROUND EASILY, SO LARGER VEHICLE CAN GO PASS THROUGH.

SO I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, I THINK, PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT.

ON THE PARALLEL PARKING, UH, NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE REALLY PARK PARALLEL, UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION.

AND ALSO REGARDING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, THEY'RE MOST LIKELY YOU DO HAVE THOSE THING THERE.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT, I MEAN THIS IS QUESTION FOR THE STAFF PROBABLY THEN THAT, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR MAINTAINING THE EXISTING GREEN SPACE? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? IF SOMEONE, YES.

SO IN THE CONFERENCES ZONING ORDINANCE, TYPICALLY A BELIEVE IT, IT'S WORDED AS A MECHANICAL UNDERGROUND IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS, IS REQUIRED FOR PROPERTIES.

OUR LANDSCAPE POLICY PROVISIONS JUST STIPULATE THAT THE LANDSCAPING HAS TO BE MAINTAINED.

OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY IT CAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT DIFFICULT TO INSTALL, YOU KNOW, SPRINKLER SYSTEM THERE.

UH, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING BUSINESS DOING GREAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION.

LOOKS, UH, LOOKS GOOD TO ME SO FAR.

YOU, UH, IS THERE A WAY TO SWITCH THE SLIDE OVER TO SLIDE NUMBER NINE? UM, JUST FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE AS, AS YOU'RE, UM, TALKING ABOUT THIS SITE AND, AND SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, UH, I'M, I'M CURIOUS, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SIGNAGE THAT'S, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THIS CASE, BUT WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

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UH, LIQUID MOLLY IS THE OIL THAT WE USE.

SO THEY, THEY ACTUALLY WANT THEIR NAME ON THE BUILDING.

SO IT IS A REQUIREMENT OR WHAT HAVE YOU OF, OF YOUR PARTNER.

JUST FEELS LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF SIGNS ON THERE AND AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR SITE, YOU KNOW, IN A COMPLIANCE, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS ALL GRANTED TO YOU AT ONE POINT.

BUT, UH, IF I WERE LOOKING TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING THAT, UH, WOULD GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO THAT MAY MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE LIKE LESS CONGESTED ON THE SIGNAGE.

UM, OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE MAYOR? YES.

JOE'S GOT, JOE'S GOT A LITTLE MORE.

YES, SIR.

SO THE TWO YELLOW SIGNS IN THE BACK, I CAN REMOVE THOSE.

YES SIR.

SO THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, OF THE APPLICANT, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

Y'ALL, Y'ALL TWO ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SIT DOWN AT THIS POINT.

WE'LL CALL YOU UP IF WE NEED YOU.

WE HAVE NO CARDS, MAYOR.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LOOKING TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, MAYOR PRO TEM, HUTCHIN RIDER, MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALRIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER.

COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

SECONDED.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HUTCHIN RIDER, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE'RE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

LET'S DISCUSS.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FIN.

OH, SORRY.

UH, NO, I JUST ALREADY MADE THAT COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, CONSIDERING THE EXISTING CONDITION AND ALL THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST IMPROVEMENT COULD BE DONE PROBABLY WITH, UH, KEEPING THE EXISTING BILL BUSINESS RUNNING.

UH, AND OF COURSE THE SIGN THE COLOR, THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE OWNER WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENT REGARDING THE SIGN BY MOVING THOSE THING, UH, NOT MANDATORY, BUT HE IS DOING IT VOLUNTEER, BUT ALSO THAT OTHER SIGN, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT LIQUID MO SIGN, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIQUOR SHOP SIGN TO ME SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WITH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY REQUIRED BY THE, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPLIER.

SO IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ON THAT ONE, MAKING THE COLOR DIFFERENT COLOR SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY IS NOT GONNA WALK THERE TO FARM, BUY SOME LIQUOR.

UM, ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S MY COMMENT THERE.

UM, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON, ON THE COUNCILMAN'S, UH, POINT, IF WE DID WANNA MAKE ANY PARTICULAR APPROVALS CONTINGENT ON THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO YELLOW SIGNS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO? OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER ARFIN, I MEAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE TWO QUICK, UH, TWO QUICK POINTS OR I SAY TWO QUICK THINGS.

YOU KNOW, THE FIRST IS I'M, I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST IN THIS CASE.

I MEAN, I LOOKED AROUND IT SORT OF OTHER SIMILAR NON-CONFORMING USES.

I REALLY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR ONE, ONE PERSON WHO SEEMS TO RUN AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP OUTTA THEIR HOUSE.

SO IN RICHARDSON AT LEAST IT'S, IT'S NOT AS IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE NEARBY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST, AND I, IT'S KINDA WHERE I ALMOST NEVER LOOK AT THESE AND, AND SUGGEST SORT OF SITE PLAN STUFF, BUT YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I WENT TO GO LOOK AT THIS, UH, THE OTHER DAY AND IN THE SITE PHOTOS HERE, I MEAN THOSE, THOSE SORT OF DIAGONAL SPOTS ARE, ARE ALL, ARE, I MEAN THEY'RE USED, THEY'RE USED QUITE A BIT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NEVER COMPLETELY FULL IN EITHER CASE, BUT THEY'RE ALMOST ALL FULL OF CARS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE OWNER, I LIKE, I UNDERSTAND THE, I GUESS I CAN APPRECIATE THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND BRING IT UP TO SORT OF UP TO CODE OR UP TO SPEC BY INCREASING THAT BUFFER.

BUT IF THAT'S SORT OF THE TYPICAL VOLUME OF CARS THAT ARE THERE AND THE OWNER WOULD RATHER HAVE IT THIS WAY AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS TO THE OWNER, AT LEAST AS FAR AS FLOW OPERATIONS WITHIN THEIR BUSINESS, I DON'T REALLY SEE, I, I GUESS I'M, I LIKE TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

I DON'T REALLY SEE A REASON TO MAKE THAT MODIFICATION WITH THE BUFFER.

UM, OBVIOUSLY I SAID EITHER WAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I'LL VOTE WITH WHATEVER THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WANTS.

BUT I'D LIKE TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS JUST A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION.

UH, JUST KEEPING THE DIAGONAL PARKING AS IT IS AND THEN ACCEPTING THE REST OF IT IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, SIR? POTENTIALLY.

JUST THINK THAT WILL CLEAN IT UP AND SINCE WE ARE TRYING TO ENHANCE THIS AREA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARD, I I'VE NOTICED THE BACK OF THE BUILDING'S PAINTED WHITE AND THE REST OF IT IS PEBBLE AGGREGATE, UH, MAYBE BE A LITTLE A LIGHT TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION.

UH, MAYOR PROTO WRITER, UH, GO AHEAD AND LET, LET COUNCILMAN COUNCIL MEMBER, DWAYNE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE ON A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, I, I, I DO AGREE WITH TAKING THE TWO YELLOW SIGNS OFF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

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I MEAN, HAVE YOU, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION ABOUT PAINTING THE BUILDING? I WOULD CERTAINLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

AND I DO LIKE HAVING THE GREEN BUFFER UP FRONT.

I I, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF CONCRETE OVER THERE.

RIGHT NEXT DOOR THERE'S A JACK IN A BOX AND ON THE CORNER ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE IS A, UH, SERVICE OR A FUEL STATION OR A GAS STATION.

SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONGESTION RIGHT THERE AND I THINK ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO, TO SOFTEN IT UP AND JUST BRING A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, NICER DRIVE BY A PILL WOULD BE GREAT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO INCREASE THE BUDGET BY ALL MEANS, BUT WHILE SOME OF THESE MODIFICATIONS ARE BEING MADE, I'D JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THAT.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, PAINTING THE BUILDING WOULD SPRAYING THE BUILDING WOULD NOT, UH, ADD A LOT OF COST.

AND, UM, AND ALSO TOO SERIOUSLY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO PUT THAT GREEN BUFFER IN, I WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF IRRIGATION, UH, THAT IT CAN BE TIED INTO TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF SPRINKLER SYSTEM THAT IS ON, YOU KNOW, SET ON A TIMER TO COME ON AT THE RIGHT OR SPECIFIC RIGHT TYPES.

AND I'LL BE DRIVING BY IT ALMOST EVERY DAY.

UH, ARE YOU ABOUT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

UM, I AM HONESTLY A BIT TORN ON THIS ONE.

UH, PART OF ME IS EXCITED TO HEAR THAT A BUSINESS, UM, IS GROWING AND IS CONTINUOUSLY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, TO, TO INCREASE THEIR EFFICIENCIES.

UM, I KNOW WE HEAR COUNCILMAN DORIAN TALKING ALL THE, ALL THE TIME ABOUT ELEVATING SPECIFICALLY THIS AREA.

THIS IS KIND OF AN AREA THAT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ELEVATING THIS, THIS INTERSECTION, UM, THIS AREA OF TOWN.

THE, THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT IS NOT IN A, AS A PRIMARY SECONDARY USE CONCERNS ME AS STATED IN SLIDE 11, THE, THAT THERE IS A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF AUTOMOTIVE USES.

UM, I, I DID COUNT THEM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MEANS AS FAR AS NUMBERS.

UM, BUT, BUT THE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE PAUSE.

UM, SO THAT'S IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THIS HERE.

UM, SO I'M, I'M GONNA ASK BEFORE THE, UH, MOTION GETS PUT IN, UH, TO JUST AT LEAST MAYBE GET SOME CONSENSUS OR LACK THEREOF.

UM, IF THE MOTION WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, THE PARKING, UH, SCENARIOS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, I KNOW ONE, AT LEAST ONE PERSON, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN SAID THAT, HEY, MIGHT BE OKAY JUST STAYING WITH THE PARKING AS IT IS.

LOVE TO KIND OF GET ANY OTHER FEEDBACK THERE SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THAT PARTICULAR THREAD.

UH, AND THEN SEPARATELY, I I DEFINITELY WOULD AGREE, UH, IF, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, I THINK PRETTY SYSTEMATICALLY WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT IN ANY OPPORTUNITY WE CAN.

UH, JUST A LITTLE LESS SIGN CONGESTION AND SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A, A COMFORTABLE THING FOR THEM.

SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, I SEE YOUR LIGHTS ON.

UM, YEAH, I, I INITIALLY, I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BAR'S, UM, CONCERNS ON, ON THE CASE.

I THINK THAT IF WE ARE GONNA GRANT THIS, THAT WE NEED TO STICK TO WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED AND, UH, REMOVE THE SIGNS.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN REGULATE, UH, COLORS OR PAINTING OF THE BUILDING AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO WHILE THAT WOULD, WHILE THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, WE CAN'T INCLUDE THAT.

BUT, UM, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PUSH FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN HERE.

SO IF THAT INCLUDES REMOVING THE SIGNS AND REDUCING THE PARKING AND, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD REQUIRE THOSE THINGS TO VOTE IN FAVOR FOR THIS.

UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, YOU SAID IT, I JUST DIDN'T CATCH IT ALL THE WAY ON THE, ON THE PARKING, UH, ADJUSTMENT.

YOU WERE STICK WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, STICK WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR SCENARIO.

OBSTRUCTING THE BUILDING.

UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR STAFF REGARDING THAT.

JUST CLARIFICATION, TINA, DO YOU MIND? OR WHOEVER, I GUESS DEREK, UM, WHAT WAS THE REASONING AGAIN BEHIND THE, WAS IT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS TO PROVIDE SPACE SO THAT VEHICLES PASSED THROUGH THERE.

WAS THAT A FIRE ISSUE AND CONCERN THERE, OR WAS THAT A PURELY JUST, IT MAKES BUSINESS SENSE IN YOUR, WHAT WAS THE, AS FAR AS GOING ANGULAR VERSUS THE 90? SO IT WAS PURELY A CIRCULATION ISSUE TO ENSURE THAT WHEN, WHEN WE APPLY THE DIMENSIONS, LIKE FOR ANGLED PARKING, IDEALLY THERE'S A MINIMUM DISTANCE THAT VEHICLES NEED TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER OUT OF THOSE ANGLED PARKING SPACES SO THAT IT'S NOT

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SO IT'S A MANEUVERABILITY ISSUE IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING SPACES, BUT THEN ALSO ENSURING THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE CIRCULATION AROUND THE BUILDING.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT A FIRE LANE ON THAT PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, THERE WAS A SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED, EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS A SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE, GOSH, WHEN 1978, RIGHT? I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, SEVERAL DECADES AGO.

AND THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN HAD ACTUALLY PROVIDED FOR THE PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THAT NORTH SIDE, UM, THAT COMPLIED WITH OUR, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

AND SO WE COMPARED THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THIS SITE WITH OUR CURRENT STANDARDS AND, AND TRYING TO BRING THE SITE BETTER INTO COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THIS, THIS SITE HAS, YOU KNOW, NONCONFORMITIES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

WE ACTUALLY, UM, ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE KINDA A, A LANDSCAPE EDGE, IF YOU WILL, ALONG THAT NORTH SIDE AND, UM, THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE, THE PURPLE AREA THAT'S SHOWN THERE.

UM, OBVIOUSLY AS IT NARROWS DOWN, IT BECOMES MORE OF A, A, A CONCRETE STRIP, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PAVERS IN THERE.

BUT REALLY AGAIN, TRYING TO BRING THIS SITE INTO COMPLIANCE AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT THEY BE ABLE TO LEAVE THE SITE AS IS, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO PROVIDE ANY LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT NORTH SIDE.

AND SO THE, THE COMPROMISE WAS OKAY TO WORK WITH GETTING PARKING THAT LAYS OUT WITH A APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MINIMUM SEPARATION DISTANCE SO THAT THE BUILDING IS NOT, UM, POTENTIALLY COMPROMISED WITH VEHICLES BACKING IN AND OUT.

UM, WE CAME UP WITH THIS OPTION.

THANK YOU TINA AND MAYOR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, GIVEN THE INFORMATION AND I, I AGREE WITH COUNSEL AND JUSTICE ON THIS IS ACCEPTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

FAIR ENOUGH.

UH, MAYOR PROTO HU MATTER MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING FILE ZF 26 DASH 11 AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CONFERENCE OF ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP AS AMENDED BY GRANTING A CHANGE IN THE ZONING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.35 ACRES LOCATED AT 1352 SOUTH PLANO ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH PLANO ROAD NORTH OF BUCKINGHAM ROAD FROM LRM TWO LOCAL RETAIL TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BAY ZONING DISTRICT OF LR DASH M TWO LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH AMENDED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP MAJOR, UM, WITH ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO YELLOW NOTED SIGNS DURING THE DISCUSSION.

ALRIGHT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MORPHINE, I SECONDED.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RIDER, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? NOPE.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON

[7. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE ZF 26-12, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AS AMENDED, BY APPROVING AND ADOPTING A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON 2.25 ACRES AT 500 N. INTERURBAN STREET, ON THE EAST SIDE OF INTERURBAN STREET AND THE NORTH SIDE OF JACKSON STREET, AND CURRENTLY ZONED MAIN STREET/CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT (INTERURBAN SUB-DISTRICT), TO ACCOMMODATE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SIX (6) BUILDINGS. ]

TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, WHICH IS PUBLIC HEARINGS ZONING FILE 26 DASH 12.

CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP AS AMENDED BY APPROVING AND ADOPTING A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 500 NORTH INTER URBAN STREET AND CURRENTLY ZONED MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT INTER URBAN SUBDISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SIX BUILDINGS.

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND, UH, COUNSEL, UH, MR. ROSS IS GONNA LEAD THIS BRIEFING AGAIN.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AND SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE HIM, UH, TAKE, UH, TO THE PODIUM SOON AS UH, CHRISTINE FINISHES HER BRIEFING.

THANKS.

OKAY, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE ROSS.

I'M A PLANNER TWO HERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS ZONING FILE 2 6 12, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON APPROXIMATELY 2.25 ACRES TO ACCOMMODATE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF SIX BUILDINGS LOCATED AT 500 NORTH INTERURBAN STREET.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF JACKSON STREET, EAST NORTH INTERURBAN STREET, SOUTH OF RAY FLEX DRIVE, AND WEST OF THE DART RAIL LINE, AND IS ZONED PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM BASED CODE IN THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT.

THE VISION OF THE SUBDISTRICT IS TO HAVE AN EDGY MIXED USE DISTRICT THAT BUILDS UPON THE EXISTING CHARACTER BY ALLOWING ADAPTIVE REUSE AND TARGETED AND FIELD DEVELOPMENT.

BUILDING MATERIALS SHOULD BE CREATIVE AND PROFESSIONAL STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED AND MAY VARY FROM MINIMAL TO MORE ENHANCED AND ON STREETT PARKING SHOULD BE MAXIMIZED.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT SIX ONE-STORY INDUSTRIAL FLEX BUILDINGS THAT COULD ATTRACT CONTRACTORS, WHOLESALERS, DISTRIBUTORS, RETAILERS, OR OFFICE TENANTS.

THE BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TENANTS TO ADD OVERHEAD DOORS AND OVER AND OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS, WHICH ARE ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN THE SUB-DISTRICT.

THESE DESIGNS ARE FLEXIBLE AND W WILL BE BASED ON THE TENANT'S PREFERENCES AND DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY REGULATIONS.

THE SITE IS ACCESSED FROM TWO SHARED DRIVE APPROACHES ON INTERURBAN STREET, ONE AT THE NORTH END AND ONE AT THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE.

AND THERE IS A INTERNAL 24 FOOT WIDE SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WILL RUN ALONG THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.

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THE PINK LINES ON THIS SLIDE ARE ALL OF THE AREAS WHERE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FENCING OR MASONRY SCREENING WALLS.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE DART RAIL LINE AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PINK SH THE PINK SHADED AREAS WILL BE, UM, A SIX FOOT TALL METAL FENCE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TOTAL OF 41 PARKING SPACES, 20 SPACES WILL WILL BE ON SITE AND 21 WILL WILL BE OFF SITE ON THE STREET ON NORTH INTERURBAN STREET.

UM, AND THOSE PARKING SPACES WILL SERVE ALL SIX BUILDINGS.

ONLY 24 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.

UM, PER THE CODE AT THE JULY 7TH CITY PLAN COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION VOICED CONCERNS THAT IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO BE SUBDIVIDED INTO SIX SEPARATE LOTS, THERE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT.

HOWEVER, STAFF IS VIEWING THIS DEVELOPMENT AS ONE SINGULAR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT REGARDLESS OF FUTURE PLANS OF FOR SUBDIVIDING THE LOTS OR WHO MIGHT OWN THOSE LOTS SHOULD THEY BE SOLD OFF IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT FOLLOWING THAT DISCUSSION, THE APPLICANT ADDED 10 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ON SITE, AND I'VE CIRCLED THOSE AREAS IN YELLOW.

THESE 10 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ALLOW FOR INCREASED FLEXIBILITY SHOULD THE, SHOULD THE FUTURE TENANTS NEED IT.

THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED AN ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO.

THIS IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.

UM, IF THE MARKET DE DEMANDS THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ARE NEEDED, THIS PLAN WOULD ALLOW A TOTAL OF 83 PARKING SPACES.

WHILE THIS WOULD PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL TRADE-OFFS SUCH AS A LOSS OF OVERHEAD DOORS, A LOSS OF OUTDOOR STORAGE SPACE, AND NO LANDSCAPED ISLANDS AT THE END OF THE PARKING ROWS.

UM, BUT IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND ON WHO THE FUTURE TENANTS WOULD BE AND WHAT THEIR INDIVIDUAL NEEDS WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE.

SHOULD THE APPLICANT NEED THESE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, THEY CAN SEEK APPROVALS THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROCESS WITH STAFF, OR THEY COULD ENTER INTO A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT OR EASEMENT EASEMENT WITH AN NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER OR ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT THE APPLICANT OWNS NEARBY IN THE VICINITY.

THERE ARE THREE PARTS OF TONIGHT'S SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUEST.

THE FIRST IS THAT EACH ROW OF PARKING SHALL HAVE A 10 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE ISLAND AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO HAVE EIGHT FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS DUE TO HOW NARROW THE SITE IS.

UM, AND THE SECOND CONDITION OR THE SECOND, UM, PART OF THIS SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THAT THE ON STREET PARKING MAY BE SATIS MAY BE USED TO SATISFY THE ON ONSITE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

AND, UM, ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT, UM, IS PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOT INTO SIX INDIVID INDIVIDUAL LOTS, STAFF IS VIEWING THIS PROJECT AS ONE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE ON STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT CAN BE SATISFIED ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT FRONTAGE AND OUTDOOR SCREENING AS AN ACCESSORY USE SHALL BE, OR OUTDOOR STORAGE SHALL BE USED AS AN ACCESSORY USE AND THEY SHALL BE SCREENED FROM THE VIEW OF PUBLIC STREETS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE SCREENING FROM NORTH INTERURBAN STREET, JACKSON STREET AND THE DART RAIL LINE AND GREENVILLE AVENUE, BUT IS REQUESTING RELIEF ON SCREENING BETWEEN THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, UM, ON THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO HAVING INTERNAL, UH, SCREENING WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE CONDUCIVE.

SO I HAVE, UM, OUTLINED THOSE AREAS IN YELLOW OF THE AREAS WHERE THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING RELIEF FROM THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.

UM, HERE'S THE PROPOSED ELEVATION PLAN.

UM, SO I DO HAVE QUITE A FEW SLIDES ON, ON THE ELEVATION PLAN 'CAUSE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW BUILDINGS HERE, SO I'LL JUST KIND OF QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THEM.

UM, BUT IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ALL OF THESE ELEVATIONS FULLY COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT AND HERE AT THE SITE PHOTOS.

UM, SO THE, THE PHOTO ON THE TOP IS LOOKING SOUTH AND THE PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM IS LOOKING NORTH AT THE SITE.

AND THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING WEST ACROSS NORTH INTERURBAN STREET AND A VIEW LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE DART RAIL LINE.

ENVISION RICHARDSON DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY PRIMARY USES INCLUDE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION AND OFFICES.

AND THEREFORE THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED TWO COMMENTS THAT ARE NEUTRAL TO THE REQUEST AND ONE VERBAL COMMENT WAS PROVIDED AT THE JULY 7TH CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WAS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST.

AND AT THAT MEETING, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION VOTED FOUR TO FOUR TO TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED.

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SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE REQUEST TONIGHT, THE MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE CONDITION THAT RELATES TO THE PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE ELEVATION PLAN, AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND UM, HE HAS HIS OWN PRESENTATION, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN THE MEANTIME.

ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF? UH, DO YOU MIND GOING TO ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING BUILDING? YEAH, SO WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, STORAGE AND SCREENING SITUATION, I DUNNO IF YOU'VE GOT LIKE ONE OF THOSE POINTER PENS OR WHATEVER, BUT ON THE BOTTOM OF THOSE TWO, I APOLOGIZE, DIDN'T MEAN TO ON THE BOTTOM OF THOSE TWO IMAGES, UM, I SUPPOSE WOULD THAT, UH, STORAGE HYPOTHETICAL SPACE BE LIKE BETWEEN THOSE BAY DOORS AND THAT OTHER DOOR? SO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE WOULD BE, YEAH, IT WOULD BE FURTHER OUT AND UM, IT WOULD GO TOWARDS THE BOUNDARY OF THE SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT? OH, POTENTIALLY DEPENDING ON WHO THE INDIVIDUAL TENANTS COULD BE, BUT THAT, THAT IS THE AREA WHERE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE IT.

I THINK THE OTHER, IS THERE A BETTER VIEW FOR THAT? I'M SORRY.

I WAS GONNA SAY YEAH, MAYBE.

UM, CHRISTINA, IF YOU GO TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, IT'LL BE BE ABLE TO, UH, BETTER ILLUSTRATE SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE TRIANGLES ARE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

THOSE ARE POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR OVERHEAD DOORS IF A TENANT WERE TO NEED THOSE.

OTHERWISE THE AREA THAT'S SHOWN IN THE DARKER GRAY IS THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO ILLUSTRATE WHERE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PROVIDED.

AND SO HENCE WHY WE EVALUATED THE SCREENING.

UM, SO THIS WHOLE AREA ON THE BACKSIDE IS, CHRISTINE NOTED HER PRESENTATION WILL BE COMPLETELY SCREENED BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL ON THE BACKSIDE AND THEN THE GATES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE FRONT.

BUT IF AN APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, HAD A NEED FOR UTILIZING ANY OF THE OVERHEAD DOCK DOORS, THEN THEY MAY FIND THAT THAT'S GOING TO REDUCE THEIR AREA OF OUTDOOR STORAGE THAT THEY MAY HAVE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THEY CAN HAVE MANEUVERABILITY TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT IN FRONT OF THOSE DOCK DOORS.

SO, UM, THE PLAN HAS FLEXIBILITY TO ACCOMMODATE WHICHEVER TENANTS THAT MIGHT CHOOSE TO LOCATE IN THERE AND WHAT THEIR NEEDS MAY BE.

SO IF, IF, IF I HAVE A NEED TO USE THE OVERHEAD DOCK DOORS, THEN THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF AREA THAT I COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ON THE BACKSIDE OF MY BUILDING FOR ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE.

IF I DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR THE OVERHEAD DOCK DOORS, THEN THAT OPENS UP MORE SPACE THAT I CAN USE IT FOR EITHER ADDITIONAL PARKING OR ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE IF I, IF I HAVE A NEED FOR THAT.

AND, AND JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND KIND OF FROM OUR, THE WAY THAT WE'RE PHRASING STUFF, IT, IT MENTIONS OUTDOOR STORAGE AS AN ACCESSORY USE, SO THAT WOULD, UH, HELP HELP ME CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT ACCESSORY USE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE MIGHT MEAN.

SO TYPICALLY WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE IS AN ACCESSORY USE, AN ACCESSORY USE HAS TO BE FUNCTIONALLY RELATED TO THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY AND ALSO HAS TO BE LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT.

SO, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOTS AND CHRISTINE, CAN YOU KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE, THE PROPERTY LINES, BUT THEY IMAGINE EXTENSION OF THOSE YELLOW LINES.

FROM THE PUBLIC VIEWS KNOWING THAT THE TYPES OF USERS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD GO IN THE, UM, IN BETWEEN, OR EXCUSE ME, THAT COULD GO IN THOSE BUILDINGS PROBABLY ARE GONNA HAVE SIMILAR TYPE OPERATIONS AND IN A AND ALSO HAVING THAT SAME RELIEF FOR SCREENING.

SO, UM, SO TYPICALLY IF I'M IN BUILDING ONE THEN MY OUTDOOR STORAGE WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE BACKSIDE OF BUILDING NUMBER ONE AND I WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY LIMITED TO THAT AREA THAT'S SHOWN IN THE DARKER GRAY IF I HAD A NEED FOR IT.

BUT, UH, ACCESSORY USE VERSUS I SUPPOSE PRIMARY USE.

UH, SO CORRECT.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, SO IF I SO BRIDGES THAT, YEAH, SO ABSOLUTELY.

SO THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE THE BUILDING AND UM, BECAUSE IT ALSO HAS GREATER SQUARE FOOTAGE POTENTIALLY COMPARED TO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA, IF I HAD A LOT THAT HAD NO BUILDING ON IT AND WAS ALL OUTDOOR STORAGE, THEN OUTDOOR STORAGE WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.

GOT IT.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN THIS SITUATION.

THE, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS ONLY ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO.

SO, UM, THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW THE POTENTIAL AREA WHERE THAT COULD OCCUR.

OKAY, I THINK I UNDERSTAND.

UM, AND THEN THE, AS FAR AS THE SCREENING BETWEEN PROPERTIES, I GUESS WE CAN TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, DO WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER SCENARIOS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THEM SCREENED TO ADJACENT? MY GUESS IS WE PROBABLY DO HAVE THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS CASE, TYPICALLY OUTDOOR STORAGE WAS REQUIRED TO BE SCREENED BETWEEN ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND FROM PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.

UM, GIVEN HOW THIS SITE IS FUNCTIONING, UM, WE BELIEVED IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER RELIEF FOR THIS SCREENING IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES BECAUSE AGAIN, THE APPLICANT, THE, THE WAY THIS LAYS OUT THE CIRCULATION, IT'S REALLY FUNCTIONING AS ONE LARGER SITE.

THE CIRCULATION, UM, IS AS SUCH WHERE, UM, ALL OF THE PERSONS COMING AND GOING FROM THE SITE WILL BE NAVIGATING AROUND THE BACKSIDE.

SO WE FOCUSED ON THE PERIMETER OF THE, OF THE AREA AND WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE MOST VISIBLE.

SO BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, THE, UM, SCREENING MATERIALS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT, THEY'RE PROPOSING A, A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL ALONG THE BACKSIDE, UM, ADJACENT TO THE DARK TRACKS, REALLY PROVIDES THAT SCREENING

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SO LAST QUESTION AND, AND JUST, I, I KNOW THAT AT, I THINK WHAT WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER WAS THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT THEY COULD SUBDIVIDE THIS, THIS PROPERTY AND ULTIMATE THAT IS CORRECT.

AND, AND THERE IS ALSO THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS MIGHT BE RETAIL IN NATURE SINCE THAT'S ONE OF THE ACCEPTABLE USES THERE.

SO LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY YOU'VE GOT A COFFEE SHOP OR A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING IN ONE OF THOSE BIG BUILDINGS, UM, NOW YOU'VE GOT A RESTAURANT WITH MAYBE CUSTOMER ACCESS, POSSIBLY IN THE BACK, WHO KNOWS AND THEY'RE NOT SCREENED AT THAT POINT FROM THE OTHER STORAGE IS.

SO I MEAN THAT, THAT IS A POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION IF, ESPECIALLY IF A COFFEE SHOP OR RESTAURANT USE CAME IN AT A LATER DATE, ESPECIALLY AFTER IT GOT BILLED.

IF THERE'S OTHER TENANTS, I THINK THE MARKET WILL KIND OF DICTATE WHO LOCATES AND, AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE WITH THEIR VISION FOR THAT.

UM, BUT I THINK THE MARKET IS GONNA DICTATE, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHO LOCATES WITHIN THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RESTAURANT USE WITHIN THERE, THEN UM, I THINK THE, THE MARKET MAY CONSIDER OTHER FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO LOCATE THERE.

UM, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT IS TARGETING USES THAT ARE MORE, UM, SIMILAR IN NATURE TO WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT THAT'S DOWN IN DALLAS.

UM, FOCUSING MORE ON CONTRACTORS, INTERIOR DESIGNERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT I THINK MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS STAFF COUNSEL? ALRIGHT, WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP.

GREAT JOB.

STEVEN GRAHAM, 94 59 HOBAR, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 8.

THANKS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER AT MAGNER, UM, AND STAFF.

I'M STEVEN GRAHAM WITH SIMPLE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.

UM, OUR OWNERSHIP GROUP FOR THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES GRADUATES OF BERGER, LAKE ISLANDS, RICHARDSON, AND PIERCE.

UM, WE GREW UP HERE.

WE LIVE HERE AND WE'RE INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE LONG TERM.

I ALSO WANTED TO THANK CITY STAFF, CHRISTINE, TINA, AND DEREK.

WE DID NOT AGREE ON EVERY DETAIL ON THIS PLAN, AND THAT IS OKAY.

THAT'S PART OF THE GOOD PROCESS.

I APPRECIATE THEIR TIME, THEIR HARD WORK, AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO GETTING THIS PROJECT RIGHT.

SO THANKS.

LET ME TELL YOU WHY WE'RE HERE AT ALL, BECAUSE IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS.

WE, WE BOUGHT IN BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN RICHON.

THIS STRETCH SAT UNTOUCHED WHILE EVERYTHING AROUND IT MOVED.

WE DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM.

WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY NOBODY HAD UNLOCKED.

HERE'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I'LL SAY TONIGHT.

WE DID NOT BUY ONE PARCEL.

WE ASSEMBLED CONTIGUOUS PROPERTIES UNDER ONE OWNER.

ONE OWNER CAN SEQUENCE A BLOCK, HOLD EVERY BUILDING TO ONE STANDARD AND BE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU BY NAME.

THIS ISN'T SIX UNRELATED PROJECTS.

IT'S ONE PLAN.

BISHOP INTERURBAN AND THE NEW FRONTAGES ARE DESIGNED ALL TOGETHER ALONG THE DART LINE AS ONE COORDINATED STREETSCAPE ONLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE ASSEMBLAGE.

AND THERE'S A THIRD PHASE ALREADY IN VIEW AT BISHOP AND DAVIS.

IT'S ALRIGHT.

SIX NEW BUILDINGS INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED ALONG INTERURBAN BUILDING.

ONE ANCHORS OF THE CORNER AT JACKSON AT ABOUT 10,000 FEET.

RIGHT HERE.

BUILDING TWO THROUGH FIVE ARE THE 50 FOOT BY ONE 17 FLEX AND SHOWROOM BASE.

THAT REPETITION HOLDS ONE STANDARD ACROSS THE FRONTAGE AND BUILDING SIX ANCHORS THE FAR END, ROUGHLY 41,000 SQUARE FEET OF MODERN FULLY SPRINKLED PRODUCT WHERE THERE IS NONE TODAY.

WHY DOES THIS NEED A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? BECAUSE THE SITE IS HEMMED IN DART LOCKS, THE EASTERN EDGE AND THE EASEMENTS AND UTILITY CONFLICTS DICTATE WHERE CONSTRUCTION CAN PHYSICALLY GO.

WHEN PEOPLE ASKED WHY THIS CORRIDOR SAW SO LITTLE DEVELOPMENT DURING THE STRONGEST BUILDING CYCLE IN DFW HISTORY, THAT'S MUCH OF THE ANSWER.

IT ISN'T DEMAND.

IT'S CONSTRAINED SITES, FRAGMENTED OWNERSHIP, HIGH COST, AND ELEVATED RATES.

THE FLEXIBILITY HERE ISN'T CUTTING CORNERS.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY THIS

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PROJECT PENCILS AND THIS DOESN'T PENCIL, NOTHING GETS BUILT.

THE TRANSFORMATION OF THIS QUARTER HAS ALREADY BEGUN.

WE'VE CUT AUTOMOTIVES.

AUTOMOTIVE SQUARE FOOTAGE, PRESERVED A QUALITY LOCAL BUSINESS AND STARTED EARNING INCOME ON EMPTY SPACE THROUGH PARTNERSHIP.

NOT DISPLACEMENT.

TONIGHT IS THE NEXT FUNDED STEP.

IT DOESN'T FINISH THE CORRIDOR.

IT BUILDS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE NEXT PHASE.

STABILIZATION, THEN INVESTMENT, THEN TENANTS, THEN BUILDINGS, THEN MOMENTUM.

IF THE QUESTION IS HOW DOES THIS PROJECT BENEFIT RICHARDSON, IT'S THREE THINGS.

ECONOMICALLY JOBS, NEW BUSINESSES, AND THE ROOM FOR LOCAL COMPANIES TO GROW WITHOUT LEAVING THE CITY.

PLUS PROPERTY AND SALES TAX ON LAND THAT GENERATES VERY LITTLE OF EITHER TODAY, PHYSICALLY UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY PUT BACK TO WORK, LESS AUTOMOTIVE CONCENTRATION AND LANDSCAPING LIGHTING, SIDEWALKS AND SIGNAGE THAT FINALLY GIVE THIS CORRIDOR A FRONT DOOR FROM GREENVILLE.

AND IT SETS THE STAGE FOR WHAT COMES NEXT.

WORK FOR THE LOCAL CONTRACTORS AND SUPPLIERS, INCLUDING RICHARDSON BASED RAYMOND CONSTRUCTION MOMENTUM FOR CONTINUED PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND A NEW BUSINESS FOCUSED DESTINATION WHERE SMALL BUSINESSES CAN ESTABLISH THEMSELVES, GROW LOCALLY AND EITHER LEASE OR OWN SPACE AS THEIR NEEDS EVOLVE.

BECAUSE PARKING WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION, I WANTED TO BE PRECISE ABOUT IT.

EACH BUILDING PROVIDES THE PARKING REQUIRED BY CODE AND FOR ITS SIZE AND USE ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES 24 SPACES.

WE ARE PROVIDING 41 70 1% MORE THAN THE REQUIRED A SURPLUS OF 17 SPACES.

THIS IS NOT AN UNDER PARKED DEVELOPMENT.

THAT CAPACITY IS WHAT MAKES A WALKABLE FRONTAGE WORK.

THIS SIDE PLAN HAS SUBMITTED SIX BUILDINGS DRIVE AISLES AND THE PARKING LAYOUT.

WE THOUGHT CAREFULLY ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE A DISTRICT PEOPLE ONLY DRIVE PAST IS IN A DISTRICT.

THE PLANNING IS INTENTIONALLY TEXAS DROUGHT TOLERANT, CODE COMPLIANT CEDAR ELM, RED BUD, DESERT, WILLOW, TEXAS, SAGE, MULLY GRASS, AND RED YUCCA.

WE SUPPORT RICHARDSON'S WALKABILITY GOAL AND OUR FRONTAGES ARE DESIGNED FOR IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE SEQUENCED.

CUSTOMER PARKING SUPPORTS STOREFRONTS.

INVENTORY PARKING TURNS A PUBLIC STREET INTO A STORAGE YARD.

TODAY MUCH OF BISHOP IS USED FOR A VEHICLE INVENTORY PARKED FOR DAYS AT A TIME.

WE OWN HALF THE BLOCK AND OFTEN CAN'T FIND, CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF OUR OWN BUILDINGS.

THAT'S RENT-FREE STORAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET FOR MANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES.

SO WE'RE ASKING ONE THING.

DON'T MAKE THIS PROJECT CARRY A NEIGHBOR'S PARKING PROBLEM.

ENFORCE THE INTENDED USE OF THE STREET AND WALKABILITY FOLLOWS.

WE ARE RAISING THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS IN THE DISTRICT, 18 FOOT CLEAR HEIGHTS, FULLY SPRINKLED, STOREFRONT GLASS, BRICK ARCHITECTURE, CONCRETE CANOPIES, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, AND CONSISTENT SIGNAGE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO IMAGINE IT SOMEDAY.

WE'VE SHOWN YOU WHAT WE INTEND TO BUILD.

QUALITY COSTS MONEY AND IT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY REDEVELOPED AND STABLE TENANTS GENERATE THE CASH FLOW TO BUILD THE NEXT PHASE TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

THE EXISTING PORTFOLIO FUNDS THE FUTURE PORTFOLIO.

NOTICE THE GLAZING AND CANOPIES LINE ACROSS THE, THE FRONT EDGE.

A CONSISTENT RHYTHM, A COHESIVE STREETS SCAPE, BUILDINGS THREE AND FOUR, THE SAME STANDARD.

CARRY IT THROUGH IN BUILDING SIX, THE NORTHERNMOST BUILDING NEXT TO THE DART TOWER HERE.

THIS IS CURRENTLY THE SITE, THE TWO AND A QUARTER ACRES.

THERE'S THE DART TOWER, AND THIS IS, THIS IS GREENVILLE AVENUE.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW KIND OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN THE BUILDINGS.

THIS IS BUILDING 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.

NEXT TO THE DART TOWER.

AND THIS IS THE NEXT SLIDE.

IT'S FROM THE NORTHWEST DART TOWER GREENVILLE.

THIS IS JACKSON INTERURBAN.

IT'S TWO AND A QUARTER ACRES, AND HERE IT IS WITH THE BUILDINGS BUILDING.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.

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EVERY DISTRICT YOU AND I ADMIRE STARTED THE SAME WAY.

ONE PROJECT THAT PROVED IT COULD WORK.

BISHOP ARTS, LOWER GREENVILLE, KNOX HENDERSON, DEEP ELLUM, THE CEDARS.

NONE WERE BUILT IN A SINGLE PHASE AND NONE CAME FROM REGULATION ALONE.

THEY TOOK INVESTMENT, PARTNERSHIP AND SUN.

SOMEBODY WILLING TO GO FIRST? I'M WILLING TO GO FIRST.

WE'RE ALREADY UNDERWAY.

ROOFS, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, SCREENING, PAINT, SIGNAGE, REAL CAPITAL AT WORK.

WEEKS AFTER CLOSING.

A REALISTIC EXPECTATION.

NOT EVERY SPACE WILL BE RETAIL OR RESTAURANT.

SOME WILL BE SHOWROOMS, SOME FLEX, SOME TRADES AND MAKERS BY DESIGN.

WHAT PULLS INVESTMENT INTO A CORRIDOR ISN'T ONE USE.

IT'S THE MIX.

ONE RESTAURANT DOESN'T CHANGE THE A DISTRICT AND ECOSYSTEM DOES.

TRANSFORMATION IS A PROCESS, NOT AN EVENT.

AND IT HAS TO BE FUNDED IN ORDER.

STABILIZE AND REINVEST.

BUILD THE CATALYST, THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU.

LEASE IT AND PROVE DEMAND.

EACH STEP PAYS FOR THE NEXT.

THAT'S HOW REDEVELOPMENT GETS FINANCED.

APPROVING.

THIS STARTS THE CLOCK.

WE ARE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE HERE WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS PRESENTED THE SITE PLAN AND ELEVATIONS, NO ADDITIONS OR AMENDMENTS.

NOT A SERIES OF FUTURE VARIANCES.

ONE COORDINATED PLAN THAT LETS US START THE CHOICE TONIGHT ISN'T THE PLAN VERSUS A PERFECT PLAN.

A PERFECT PLAN FOR THIS SITE DOESN'T EXIST.

THE CONSTRAINTS WON'T ALLOW IT.

IT'S THE PLAN VERSUS ANOTHER DECADE OF VACANCY AND AUTO USE.

WAITING ON SOMETHING FLAWLESS THAT NEVER PENCILS I'LL CLOSE WHERE I STARTED.

THE DISTRICT CAN BECOME SOMETHING RICHARDSON IS PROUD OF, AND I WANT TO BE A GOOD OWNER AND NEIGHBOR.

WHILE WE GET THERE, I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ZF 26 12.

IT WON'T SOLVE EVERY CHALLENGE TONIGHT, BUT IT CREATES A REAL FUNDED PATH OF TRANSFORMATION WE ALL WANT.

THANK YOU AND GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I I JUST WANT TO GET A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS.

I WAS ZOOMING IN AND OUT ON THE, ON THE PLAN, THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE DART AND THE BACK OF, WE'LL CALL IT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

UM, I NOTICED THAT'S GONNA BE A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL.

IS IT GONNA BE DECORATIVE? I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE SPECIFIC SHED OF COURSE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, IS THAT GONNA BE SOME KIND OF BIOPHILIC WALL OR IS IT GONNA BE, UM, IS THERE GONNA BE A SMOOTH SIDE FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE ARTWORK AS THE DARTS COMING AND GOING? SO IS THAT NOT DETERMINED? OKAY.

JUST THROWING OUT, THROWING OUT SOME IDEAS.

ALSO AT THE SAME TIME ON THE, UH, ON THE GREEN SPACE, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE GREEN SPACE.

I NOTICED THE TWO GREEN, OR ACTUALLY THERE'S THREE GREEN STRIPES IN BETWEEN EACH BUILDING.

IS THAT JUST, ARE YOU JUST PROPOSING, UH, GRASS, SOME ARTIFICIAL TURF OR, OR REAL GRASS AND JUST LANDSCAPING? PROBABLY JUST GRASS, QUITE HONESTLY.

WHAT ARE THOSE ROUND GREEN DOTS? UH, COMING IN FROM THE LARGER, LARGER BUILDING HERE.

THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE TREES.

THOSE ARE TREES.

AND THESE, THESE SPACES HERE.

SO WE DID, SO CURRENTLY THE SIDEWALK IS STRAIGHT ACROSS CURRENTLY AND WE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THESE ARE X-RAY CALLED BUMP OUTS.

THE BUMP OUTS.

BUT THE, THE GREEN, WE, WE HAVEN'T SHOWN ANY LANDSCAPING HERE BECAUSE WE REALLY WANTED TO COORDINATE BETWEEN UTILITIES AND REALLY GET ALL OUR CONSULTANTS IN THE SAME ROOM AS FAR AS CIVIL ENGINEER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND OUR ARCHITECT ALONG WITH ENCORE TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO WHAT, WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GONNA DO.

YEAH, I MEAN, I DO, I I, I DO LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, AS MUCH ARCHITECTURAL HARDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING AND, AND SOFT SCAPING.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UH, HOPEFULLY LOWER MAINTENANCE AND AND IRRIGATION THERE JUST TO KIND OF SOFTEN UP THE BUILDINGS.

I MEAN, GENERALLY THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE BRICK.

YOU PROPOSE THEY'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK, CORRECT? NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT THERE THE, THERE WILL BE TILT WALL WITH, WITH BRICK ACCENTS.

I LIKE THE BUILDING.

I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE NICE.

THEY'RE VERY JUST CLEAN LINE.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I COULD OFFER

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REAL QUICK SURE.

UM, IF THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN GETS APPROVED THIS EVENING, THEN THE NEXT STAGE WOULD BE THE SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPING, UM, REVIEW.

SO, UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS WHEN WE WOULD GET INTO THE FINER DETAILS OF THE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE PROPOSED.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION SO IT GETS PEOPLE THINKING ALONG THAT LEVEL.

THAT'S ALL.

I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME SPACE IN HERE, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE GRAPH OR THE, THE DESIGN ON SLIDE EIGHT OF STAFF'S PRESENTATION.

CAN WE GO TO THAT? IT'S THE ONE THAT SHOWS MEASUREMENTS IN THE RED LINE, THE YELLOW LINE SLIDE.

SO FROM THE, THE SIDE FACING THE DARK RAIL, THAT BACK WALL, WHAT'S THE MEASUREMENT FROM THAT BACK WALL TO WHERE STORAGE BEGINS AND THEN WHAT'S THE MEASUREMENT? WHAT'S THE FOOT BETWEEN THE BACK, LET'S CALL IT A LOADING DOCK OR, OR ROLL UP DOORS TO WHERE, WHAT ARE, HOW MANY FEET ARE WE ALLOWING OF OUTDOOR STORAGE? AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE SPACE BETWEEN WHERE OUTDOOR STORAGE ENDS AND WHERE THE WALL IS? I CAN'T READ IT.

I CAN'T COMPLETELY, BUT I THINK THAT'S 58 AND SOME CHANGE, RIGHT.

BETWEEN THAT BUILDING AND THE, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.

58 FEET AND SOME CHANGE.

I CAN'T READ THE INCHES.

AND WE'RE PROPOSING HOW MANY FEET OF THAT TO BE STORAGE? UH, THE, SO THE, THE DRIVE AISLE HERE, THIS ACCESS EASEMENT, IT'S 24 24.

SO THE DEPTH IS ROUGHLY 34 FEET FROM THE INSIDE DASH LINE, UM, OF THE DRIVE AISLE TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

SO IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, IF THESE END UP BEING, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, KIND OF LIKE THE DESIGN DISTRICT IN DALLAS RIGHT.

WHICH I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH AND END UP BEING SOME KIND OF SHOWROOM WITH A BACK SLIDING DOOR OR MAYBE SOME TILE OR WHATEVER IS KEPT OUTSIDE AS STORAGE.

I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE DELIVERIES THAT WOULD COME IN ONE OF THE SIDE DOORS AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM THERE.

IF, IF THIS SECOND BUILDING ON THE LEFT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE SOUTH SIDE YEAH.

LET'S SAY THAT BUILDING ON THAT LEFT, ON THAT SOUTH DRIVE THAT HAS ENOUGH RADIUS FOR LIKE A, A TRUCK TO DELIVER AND EVEN IF THEY'RE USING STORAGE.

THAT THIS RADIUS WAS DONE BY OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND WE COORDINATED, ASSUMING IT'S OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DO, YOU KIND OF MAKE IT A ONE WAY? YES.

THE, ACTUALLY ITS TWO WAY WE KIND OF DESIGNED IT SO THAT A TRASH TRUCK COULD COME IN HERE, EMPTY THE TRASH, COME OVER HERE, IF WE HAD MORE EMPTY THIS TRASH, GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

AND THEN GO STRAIGHT IN HERE AND THEN COME OUT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN REALLY FASCINATED BY THE DESIGN DISTRICT IN DALLAS AND JUST ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF USES YOU CAN GET IN THERE.

AND I MEAN, I JUST, I JUST GOT BACK FROM HOUSTON, UM, EARLIER TODAY ACTUALLY, AND I WAS JUST REMINDED ABOUT WHAT, WHAT KIND OF ECLECTIC STUFF COULD HAPPEN WHEN YOU ALMOST JUST LET ANYTHING, ANYTHING GO.

AND THE DESIGN DISTRICT IS SORT OF A DALLAS SIDE, DALLAS IFIED VERSION OF THAT.

AND THIS COULD BE SORT OF OUR RICHARDSON VERSION OF THAT EVEN.

AND SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'M, WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHEN YOU'RE ENVISIONING THIS SORT OF, WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAYOR OMAR ALLUDED TO IN HIS QUESTIONS TO STAFF AS WELL.

I MEAN, SORT OF WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING IN THIS VISION AND MAYBE EVEN YOUR GRANDER PLAN TO ALLOW FOR THE ABILITY OF SOME OF THOSE USES TO COMMINGLE, RIGHT.

LIKE WEDDING VENUES ALONGSIDE SOME OF THESE STORAGE SPACES, ALONGSIDE EVENT VENUES.

AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE A BREWERY IN THE DISTRICT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

A RESTAURANT OR A DISTILLERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

REALLY MARKET THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE.

UH, CAN YOU JUST MAYBE ELABORATE, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE BIG PLANS FOR THE WHOLE AREA.

I'D LOVE TO KIND OF HEAR YOUR GRAND REVISION ON THAT AND HOW IT PERTAINS TO THIS.

YEAH, SO THE FIRST STEP, WE, WE, UH, WE RENOVATED, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, KIND OF THE ORIGINAL 50,000 SQUARE FEET.

WE LITERALLY JUST FINISHED THAT LAST WEEK AND HAD INTERIOR PICTURES, EXTERIOR PICTURES, WHICH IT'S BEEN MARKETED, BUT NOW WE KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING TO

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UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF THIS, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, IT WILL BE PART OF THE MARKETING PACKAGE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY HAD, WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME USES A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY TOUCH BASE WITH THEY'RE INTERESTED.

BUT I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, A SINGLE RESTAURANT, THEY, THEY WANT A COUPLE TO COME IN THERE TOGETHER, IS PROBABLY, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE MARKET.

BUT WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.

WE'VE HAD A CHEESECAKE BAKER, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED.

SO WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL, UM, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, A DOG, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, DOG HOTEL, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ALSO WE'VE HAD A, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INTERESTS, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T STARTED MARKETING IT, UM, QUITE YET.

IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE, BUT THESE ARE NO ONE'S SEEN INTERIOR PHOTOS OF EACH OF THE SPACES.

I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS DO WE WANT, WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THIS WITH THE FIVE BUILDINGS THERE AND WHAT USES YOU'RE BRINGING IN THERE OR NOT.

I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THAT'S, YEAH.

AND I THINK, I THINK WHAT TINA INDICATED, LIKE WE'RE, WE THINK THE MARKET DOESN'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT THIS AREA QUITE YET, UM MM-HMM .

AND QUITE HONESTLY, THE MORE WE'VE KIND OF GONE BACK TO OUR MARKETING TEAM AND KIND OF EXPLAIN TO THEM, LIKE SHOWING ONE BIG PICTURE DOESN'T REALLY HELP TELL THE STORY.

IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO KNOW LIKE WHAT THEIR SPACE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE INSIDE.

UM, AND TO YOUR POINT, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT ELSE IS GONNA BE AROUND HERE BESIDES CAR USES? MM-HMM .

THAT'S KIND OF MM-HMM .

COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

WELL, THANKS FOR, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THIS PROJECTS, TRYING TO MAKE THIS PLACE MUCH BETTER.

UH, I HAVE SOME QUESTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, LIKE SEQUENCE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THESE, UH, BUILDINGS? YEAH, I THINK, UH, THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT CPC, I MEAN THE, THE, WE WOULD LOVE THE FREEDOM TO DO ONE AT A TIME IF WE HAD A BUILD TO SUIT OPPORTUNITY.

IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, WE DEFINITELY WANT US, YOU KNOW, A 5,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

BUT I THINK REALITY WITH THE MARKET AND WITH OUR BANK, THAT THEY WILL WANT US TO HAVE A COMPLETION GUARANTEE, WHICH MEANS THEY'LL WANT EVERYTHING DONE BECAUSE FOR THEM TO, UH, I GUESS LET GO KIND OF ONE BUILDING AT A TIME, THAT'S NOT HOW BANKS LIKE TO OPERATE.

THEY LIKE TO SEE EVERYTHING BUILT AND THEN EVERYTHING EITHER LEASED OR SOLD KIND OF IN ONE FELL SWOOP.

THE EXCEPTION OF THAT WOULD BE IF WE DID HAVE A BUILD TO SUIT OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WOULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE A CERTAIN RESTAURANT OR THEIR BUSINESS, THAT WE WOULD BUILD IT MORE TO THEIR SPECS.

UH, COUPLE OTHER QUESTION THAT, UM, THE COLOR OF THE WALL, SIX FEET WALL THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BACK.

UH, ONE OF THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE LOOKS NICE.

THE TRAIN IS GOING PASSING BY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE WALL BEHIND.

UH, THAT WAS, SORRY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS LIKE OUR FIRST ITERATION, I THINK THE LAST TIME WE WERE AT CITY COUNCIL.

NO, I MEAN, IT WAS GREAT.

THAT DARK, YOU KNOW, THE PLANE LOOKS GREAT.

UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT TRAIN VISUAL THERE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A WALL THERE, SIX FEET WALL, UH, IS THE COLOR OF THE WALL, HAVE YOU DECIDED? WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ANY OF THE COLORS, QUITE HONESTLY.

THESE ARE ALL KIND OF OUR ARCHITECT'S BEST.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, IDEA ABOUT THE WALL COLOR OTHER THAN THE YELLOW.

UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, VISUALIZE THIS, HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WITH THE TRAIN.

UH, THE OTHER, OTHER THING, OTHER QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE THAT TILT WALL FOR THE BUILDING, UH, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION? I GUESS THAT'S THE MOST, YES.

I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TILT WALL IS KIND OF AN EFFICIENT, UH, WAY TO BUILD THESE BUILDINGS.

AND, YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY, INSURANCE,

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INSURANCE IS LOWER.

THERE'S A LOT OF ADVANTAGES TO KIND OF GETTING THE CLEAR HEIGHT WITH TILT WALL, THE, THE PACE OF CONSTRUCTION'S MUCH FASTER.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST DISADVANTAGE YOU SAW FOR ? THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE TILT WALL.

UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET TENDS TO WANT FOR, JUST BECAUSE THE, BASICALLY THE, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION'S MUCH LOWER COMPARED TO STICK BUILT ITEMS. YEAH.

SO IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MODIFY AFTER THAT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DATA ADVANTAGE THAT YOU HAVE.

MAYOR PRO TIMM, HUTCHIN WRITER.

UM, JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT THREE TIMES IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU USED THE WORDS THAT YOU WANNA PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

CAN YOU, IS THERE, YEAH, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS PARTNER WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON FOR ONE, I THINK ON ENFORCEMENT KIND OF ENFORCING THE PARKING, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S THE PERCEPTION AMONGST MANY THAT THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE AND THERE IS A PARKING ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, I CALL IT INVENTORY PARKING, WHERE YOU HAVE MANY IN THE DISTRICT THAT THEY HAVE A RENTAL BUSINESS, WHETHER IT'S A RENTAL TRUCK, A RENTAL CAR, OR THEY'RE A SALES BUSINESS WHERE THEY HAVE INVENTORY.

AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING THOSE VEHICLES ON THEIR LOT TO SELL, THEY LET THEM SIT ALONG BISHOP MONTHS AT A TIME.

IT'S NOT DAYS AT A TIME, IT'S MONTHS AT A TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BASICALLY GETTING FREE RENT WITHOUT PAYING TAX.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY PARTNERSHIP.

OH.

AS FAR AS PARTNERSHIP.

PARTNERSHIP, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED WITH DON, BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY TIFF INCENTIVES OR OTHER INCENTIVES? UM, WE'VE TALKED TO VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PARTNERSHIPS WE WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO SEE.

AND YOU UNDERSTAND, I THINK A LOT OF THAT WILL COME WHEN WE HAVE CERTAIN TENANTS.

TONIGHT'S IS TOTALLY SEPARATE.

AND, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE ARE TOTALLY SEPARATE.

UM, I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL, UH, GO ON TO THE OTHER LIGHTS THAT ARE UP.

UM, UH, MR. GRAHAM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB MOVING QUICKLY.

UH, YOU KNOW, I I, AND YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU AND I HAVE CROSSED PATHS, UH, A DECENT NUMBER OF TIMES.

UH, BUT I DRIVE THE DISTRICT ON, ON AVERAGE TWO TO THREE TIMES A DAY.

UH, IF I HAVE ANY REASON TO GO SOUTH OR ANY REASON TO GO NORTH FROM SOUTH, I'M DRIVING THROUGH THOSE STREETS.

UM, AND THOSE PARKING ISSUES AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND, AND THINGS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT I'M DEFINITELY FEELING AND SEEING ON A, ON A DAILY BASIS.

UM, I'VE ALSO SEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING.

SO, UM, UH, WATCHING CREWS OUT THERE AND WORKING AND POLISHING IT UP AND MAKING IT LOOK GOOD, I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE, ARE GREAT SIGNS.

UM, I, AS I LOOK AT THE PROJECT, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY, UM, AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MAYBE HAVE YOU GO TO SLIDE, I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE POSITIONED MYSELF THERE, SLIDE EIGHT.

SO I'M UNDERSTANDING, I'M, I'M ABLE TO SEE IT A LITTLE A BIT MORE CLEARLY.

UM, I THINK DURING COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS QUESTION, SO THE GRAY AREAS OR WHAT COULD BE OUTSIDE STORAGE, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

BUT IT COULD BE WHATEVER THE BUILDING WANTS IT, IT LEAVES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL THIS FLEX SPACE.

IT LEAVES A LOT OF AREA FOR WHAT YOU COULD PARK IT, YOU COULD PARK CUSTOMERS, YOU COULD PARK VANS, YOU COULD PARK TRUCKS, YOU COULD STORE PALLETS.

UM, YES, IT LEAVES, BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT, I THINK IT DOES LEAVE THE, UM, IT LEAVES THE BUILDING LOTS OF FLEXIBILITY.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF MANAGEMENT ON WHO, ON HONESTLY WHO WE PUT IN HERE.

WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR US, WE'RE GONNA BE VERY CAREFUL WHO THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, WE, WE DON'T WANT A HEAVY OUTDOOR STORAGE PERSON COMING IN, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTING THE OTHER FIVE TENANTS.

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UM, IF, IF THAT IS USED AS OUTDOOR STORAGE, JUST SINCE WE ARE SAYING THAT IT IS A PART OF THE FLEXIBILITY PLAY HERE, UM, WHAT PARTS OF IT WOULD BE SCREENED? THE ONLY THING WE HAVE PROPOSED SCREENING WOULD BE THIS.

I SEE.

SO FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING, THERE'D BE ZERO SCREENING.

THERE'D, THERE'D BE ZERO SCREENING.

IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I I EQUATE IT TO LIKE A BUSINESS PARK, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE IS LOTS GOING ON, BUT EVERYONE IS DEFINED KIND OF TO THEIR PERSONAL AREA.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY, AND, AND I KNOW THAT'S, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS, THIS WOULD ALMOST BE BACK OFFICE FOR FOR MANY.

GOT IT.

AND THIS WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT DOOR FOR EVERYONE.

SO THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE PLACES IN THE DISTRICT, UH, WHERE SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE WAS ALLOWED.

AND AS I DRIVE BY THOSE, UH, SCENARIOS, IT, IT FEELS TO ME, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT ANY SCREENING REQUIREMENT, THAT IF BUILDING THREE OR BUILDING FOUR, LET'S SAY, REQUIRED OR DESIRED SOME SORT OF STORAGE, UM, AND YOU DIDN'T SCREEN IT, THEN WHAT YOU HAVE IS POTENTIALLY PALLETS AND PALLETS OF ROCKS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME THE THING, RIGHT.

UH, WHICH ACTUALLY EXISTS IN THE DISTRICT TODAY.

UM, AND IT FEELS LIKE YOU ALMOST IMMEDIATELY START DISQUALIFY ANY REASONABLE PERSON THAT MIGHT WANT THE NEXT BUILDING OVER THAT WOULDN'T WANT TO BE LOOKING AT PILES AND PILES OF ROCKS.

AND SO I, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO, THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FORM-BASED CODE IS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW MULTIPLE DIFFERENT USES TO COME AND GO OVER GENERATIONS AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THAT IF WHAT WE DO TODAY, LET'S SAY ALL WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS GET, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WITH, WITH, UH, A DESIRE TO USE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, AND THEN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, ONE OF THEM WANTS TO BE SWAPPED OUT WITH A RESTAURANT, THE FACT THAT NONE OF THE STORAGE IS SHIELDED, UH, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO GO IN THERE BECOMES MUCH HARDER.

AND SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT, SINCE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY SCREENING, YOU DON'T PAY FOR ANYTHING, UH, FOR THE STORAGE SPACE NECESSARILY, YOU'RE NOT PAYING EXTRA MONEY TO PUT STORAGE OUT THERE AT THIS POINT ON THE FRONT END, IF YOU BUILT ALL THOSE BUILDINGS, YOU DIDN'T DO SPEC BUILD.

CORRECT.

I MEAN, SPEC BUILD, I THINK, I THINK IF A RESTAURANT, I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO LOOK AWAY IN THE FUTURE HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, WE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THIS WAS STORAGE WITH SOMEONE, PARKING HVAC VANS, OR MAYBE IT WAS A TILE COMPANY, GOT IT.

THAT HAD TILE PALLETS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, IF A RESTAURANT CAME IN, THEY COULD SCREEN, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD STILL SCREEN IF THEY WANTED TO.

BUT YES, WE'RE ASKING THAT, THAT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS SO TIGHT.

THIS IS 108 FEET FROM HERE TO HERE THAT ONCE YOU START, ONCE YOU START PUTTING THINGS IN THE WAY, PEOPLE TEND TO HIT THEM.

SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING IS, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING SCREENING HERE IS, IS NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST USE FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP HERE PERSONALLY.

I THINK, I THINK TENANTS ARE USED TO, UM, KIND OF USED TO THIS IN A MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A FLEX TYPE SPACE WHERE THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT USES.

THAT'S NOT I UNCOMMON, I GUESS.

AND, AND A FEW OTHERS, UM, I JUST WANT TO POTENTIALLY OFFER, UH, SOME INSIGHT.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST, AGAIN THINKING THROUGH, THERE WILL COME A DAY WHERE THESE END UP POTENTIALLY BEING INDIVIDUALLY OWNED.

MAYOR, YOU'RE JUST, IF WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE RULES, YOU'RE TWO MINUTES OVER.

YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW THE RULE.

I'LL GO RIGHT BACK TO QUESTIONS AFTER COUNCIL MEMBER.

DORIAN, THANK YOU FOR OKAY.

POINTING IT OUT.

THANK, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I, JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATION OUR MAYOR IS, UM, UH, ALLUDING TO

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UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M COMING FROM AN ARCHITECTURE AND INTERIOR DESIGN BUSINESS AND, AND I KNOW THE SHOWROOM BUSINESS EXTREMELY WELL.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ENVISIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATING OR HOPING TO CREATE IS AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, IS INFILTRATED WITH A COMBINATION OF RESTAURANT AND CLOTHING STORES AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN UTILIZE EVERY DAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER POTENTIAL OPTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND GET YOUR, YOU CAN GET YOUR MARKETING TEAM ON.

THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO NOT HAVE IS WE DO NOT HAVE A NORTH DALLAS DESIGN DISTRICT, LIKE THE DALLAS DESIGN CENTER ACROSS FROM AMERICAN AIRLINES, UM, OR THE OAK LINE DE DESIGN PLAZA, UH, INTERNATIONAL DESIGN PLAZA, POTENTIALLY.

UH, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT AREA IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT MULTILINE SHOWROOMS OR SOMETHING, LENDING TOWARD THE DESIGN, IF WE'RE CALLING IT THE DESIGN DISTRICT, SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLUDE TO, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, SERVICE THE INTERIOR DESIGN COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE MULTI-LINE SHOWROOMS AND OTHER, OTHER, UH, OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT SERVE THAT COMMUNITY.

SO WITH THAT, AND IT CIRCLES BACK TO THE STORAGE AREA.

I I'M HAVING A LITTLE, I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD HAVE STORAGE AREAS BEHIND THESE BUILDINGS POTENTIALLY WOULD THAT, THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING BE, HAVE, HAVE SOME POTENTIAL USE AT A LATER DATE.

AND TO THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP EARLIER, WHAT HAPPENS IS IF A MULTI-LINE SHOWROOM COMES IN, OR A FURNITURE SHOWROOM OR A, A FABRIC SHOWROOM OR WHATEVER, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY DECIDE TO MOVE AND GET A LARGER BUILDING, UH, OR JUST GET OUTTA THE DISTRICT BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S TURNING TO RESTAURANT DIRECT, UH, DRIVEN OR, OR, OR A CERTAIN WAY THEY POTENTIALLY MOVE AND, AND NOW MAYBE A RESTAURANT COMES IN HERE OR, OR MAYBE A CLOTHING STORE OF SOME SORT.

I'M, I'M, IT'S A LOT OF SPACE AT THE BACKSIDE BESIDES DELIVERING WITH TRUCKS.

IT'S, I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALMOST A LITTLE BIT OF A WASTED SPACE FOR STORAGE.

I, I WOULD ALMOST FEEL LIKE THE BUILDING SHOULD BE EXTENDED POTENTIALLY, AND NOT EVEN AND ELIMINATE THAT.

I, I MEAN THE 58 FOOT, I, I DISAGREE.

I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, THIS IS ABOUT AS, I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT MAKING THE, I MEAN, I'M A DEVELOPER.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE THE BUILDINGS AS BIG AS THEY CAN, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ABOUT AS EFFICIENT, AND I THINK IT'S AS EFFICIENT AS YOU GET.

I MEAN, AS FROM A BOX TRUCK, ONCE YOU START GETTING SMALLER, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO BACK IN AT THAT POINT.

SO I, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A CISCO TRUCK WITH A RESTAURANT OR I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A VERY EFFICIENT DESIGN THAT THE MARKET IS GONNA RECEIVE.

WELL, YEAH, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT, I'M JUST, AGAIN, I'M JUST THROWING OUT SOME, OUR OFFERING SOME INFORMATION THAT POTENTIALLY COULD LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF STORAGE UNITS ARE BACK THERE.

IS THIS A 20 YARD CONTAINER, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE UTILIZED FOR BACK STORAGE FOR WHATEVER THE RESTAURANT OR CLOTHING STORE OR SHOWROOM OR WHATEVER IT'S GONNA END UP BEING.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

AND SINCE YOU ONLY HAVE SIX BUILDINGS, AND POTENTIALLY SOME OF THOSE MIGHT BE SUBDIVIDED, I'M, I'M GUESSING THEY PROBABLY WILL DEPENDING ON THE, THE ESTABLISHMENT.

BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A, A BETTER IDEA OF OF WHAT DIRECTION THAT'S GOING TO BE.

WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE DRIVEN IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT DIRECTION, AND WHAT TYPE OF STORAGE UNITS ARE BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS AND ARE THEY PERMANENT? AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE OVERHEAD DOORS AND DELIVERIES, SO I, SO I WANNA BE THERE.

THEY'RE NOT STORAGE UNITS, IT'S JUST SPACE.

IT'S JUST SPACE.

SO YOU CAN HAVE ANYTHING EXPOSED.

SO YOU MENTIONED EARLY PALLETS AND, AND OR ROCKS OR, OR TILE, LET'S SAY A DIAL TILE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE POTENTIALLY, UH, LEASES THAT CORNER BUILDING THERE.

WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SPACE FOR, YOU KNOW, PALLETS AND, AND, AND FOR STORAGE.

NOT EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE, UM, ENCLOSED.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A, A, A, A VISION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

NOW, GRANTED, THE SCREENING WALL, THE SIX FOOT SCREENING WALL, WE'LL HIDE MOST OF THAT COMING FROM THE DART.

AND YES, POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME ARTWORK THERE TO KIND OF PUSH IT TOGETHER.

BUT MY POINT IS MY TIME'S GETTING READY TO RUN OUT HERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING A GOOD, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT THAT LIKE THIS YEAH, THIS PLAN IS REALLY, WE'RE WE TRIED TO HIT EVERY BELL AND WHISTLE.

I MEAN, THE REALITY IS WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, LIKE, I THINK TINA MADE THE POINT, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 OVERHEAD DOORS.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE USE IS, IF THEY HAVE SIX OVERHEAD DOORS.

THANK YOU MR. GRAHAM.

THERE WILL PROBABLY BE NONE.

PROBABLY BE NO STORAGE AT THAT POINT.

THERE'LL

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SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A USE THAT HAS, MAYBE THEY HAVE TWO OVERHEAD DOORS.

YES, THEY WILL, THEY MIGHT HAVE A NEED FOR THAT.

AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO LEND THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND I GET IT.

SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY BAYS THAT THAT VENDOR OR MAKES.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO FIRST I WANNA, I WANNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE I MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THIS, BUT I MEAN, THE REALITY IS THAT THIS COULD BE BUILT BY RIGHT? AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR THREE, UM, UH, REQUESTED.

THERE'S THREE REQUESTS FOR RELIEF.

ONE IS LANDSCAPE SOUNDS LIKE SO FAR NOBODY'S REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT ON STREET PARKING.

NOBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PROPOSAL FOR THIS SCREENING ISSUE BECAUSE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS CONTEMPLATED BY THIS PLAN.

AND SO IS, IS THE SUGGESTION GOING TO BE THAT WE PERHAPS, UH, IF OUTDOOR STORAGE IS GONNA BE UTILIZED, WE THEN REQUIRE THE INSTALLATION OF, OF, UH, OUTDOOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SCREENING FOR THAT PARTICULAR STORAGE? YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD DEBATE THE MERITS OF IT AND WHAT IT POTENTIALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT TONIGHT.

SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING TO THOSE THAT HAVE THIS CONCERN TO PROPOSE A SOLUTION THAT, THAT MIGHT GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A REQUIRED, UH, ITEM THAT SAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, SCREENED FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S, I THINK WHAT'S BEING MAYBE DEBATED HERE.

YEAH, NO, I, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I READ YOU, I'M, I'M ASKING LIKE WHAT, IS THERE A SOLUTION VERSUS JUST DEBATE? YEAH, I MEAN THE SOLUTION WOULD BE SCREENING, UH, TO THE ADJACENT SITES, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THERE'S A DISCUSSION HERE WITH THE APPLICANT TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH THIS KILLS THINGS AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT MATTERS TO ANY OF US.

COUNCIL MEMBER ORINE.

WELL REGARD THE, REGARDING THE SCREENING.

I THINK THIS IS, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE PRETTY THOUGHTFUL WAY THEY PUT THAT SCREENING SIX FEET WALL, UH, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE DARK PROPERTY AND FROM THE ENTRANCE.

SO IT'S ONLY THE BUSINESS THEY WILL SEE IN THE BACK.

IT'S NOT PUBLIC VIEW, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN.

AND IT'S ONLY 34 FEET, NOT 58 FEET WIND BECAUSE 24 FEET IS UH, UH, FIRE LINE, FIRE LAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO KEEP THAT FOR THE FIRE TRUCK AND OTHER THINGS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY FLEXIBLE WAY KEEPING THAT THING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, 34 FEET.

UH, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T THINK WOULD THERE BE ANY RESTRICTION IF, UH, SOME BUSINESS THEY PREFER TO HAVE A CONTAINER AS A STORAGE? UH, DON, UH, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION ON THAT THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE CONTAINER? SURE, YEAH.

IF THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A STRUCTURE AS AN ACCESSORY USE.

THERE, THERE ARE REGULATIONS REGARDING THAT, OH, THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY AND GET THAT, UM, PERMITTED.

SO I THINK CONSIDERING THE SITE AND ALL THESE THINGS, I THINK THIS IS, UH, THIS IS PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD SOLUTION SO FAR.

I SEE THAT, UH, EXCEPT THE TIL WALL, I'M NOT TOO MUCH FAN OF THE TILT WALL, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, THIS CONSTRUCTION ISSUE.

UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT VERY FLEXIBLE, UH, TO ME, UH, IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, THEN BUSINESS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE ANYTHING OTHER THAN SOME OF THE PAINT.

YEAH, SO THE SCENARIO THAT I'M SUGGESTING IS IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT COME INTO ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS, AND IF THEY DO DECIDE TO DO A BACKSIDE PATIO LIKE YOU SEE WITH FOUR BULLETS OR OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT BACKSIDE PATIO IS LOOKING DIRECTLY AT, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT'S UNSHIELDED.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THOUGHT I'VE GOT HERE IS IF, IF THE IDEA IS YOU MIGHT WANT THERE TO BE A MIX, YOU SORT OF ELIMINATE THE CHANCE OF A MIX IF YOU DON'T HAVE SCREENING.

UH, NO, THAT'S THE PERFECT SOLUTION, MR. MAYOR, IF I CAN ADD THAT TO THAT, THE REASON I, I'M JUST ADDING TO MY QUESTION ANSWER BEFORE THAT, I HAD MY COMMENTS ON, UH, IN THAT SCENARIO THAT BUSINESS COULD PUT THOSE TEMPORARY FENCE SCREENING AND THEY DO THAT ANYWAY TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE PROFESSIONAL LOOKING, GOOD LOOKING.

SO I THINK HAVING FLEXIBILITY, IF THERE IS NO RESTRICTION THAT NO, THEY CANNOT PUT ANY MORE SCREENING, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

BUT IF THERE IS NO RESTRICTION HAVING SCREENING WALL BASED ON THE BUSINESS NEED, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY DOABLE WITH ANY BUSINESS.

SURE WE KEEP THAT FREE AND OPEN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR AN ACCESS EASEMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

YEAH, I JUST ON THIS PART SLIDE, TINA, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHATEVER THE SCREENING WOULD BE IF WE REQUIRED IT WOULD JUST GO RIGHT THROUGH THE DRIVE AISLE.

ARE WE REQUIRING LIKE GATES BETWEEN THEM? LIKE HOW WOULD YOU DRIVE THROUGH THIS PROPERTY? RIGHT, SO I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD IN TERMS OF THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THIS CIRCULATION.

SO THERE COULD NOT BE ANY SCREENING THAT WOULD CROSS THE DRIVE AISLE.

UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE

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UM, IT BECOMES REALLY AN, AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE IF THE, IF GATES WERE PROVIDED THERE AND, AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE WAS AN INTEREST TO HAVE ANY SCREENING OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT BE LIMITED TO THE AREA WHERE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT DRY VI.

BUT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER INE, UM, MADE A GOOD POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A BUSINESS GOES IN ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND DOES NOT WANT TO SEE WHAT THEIR NEIGHBOR'S DOING IN THE BACKSIDE, THEY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD IMPROVEMENTS TO ENHANCE WHAT THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING AT AS LONG AS IT MAINTAINS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SITE AND DOES NOT, UH, BLOCK THAT DRY AISLE.

SO WE CAN EN, UM, ENSURE THAT CIRCULATION OCCURS.

SO COULD WE, I GUESS, REQUIRE PARTIAL SCREENING, WHICH WOULD BE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DRY AISLE, BUT NOT INCLUDING THE DRY AISLE? YES.

UM, YOU COULD HAVE THAT.

UM, I'LL BE HONEST, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THEY WERE PROPOSING TO PUT A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL ALONG THE BACKSIDE.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MORE OF WHAT THE VIEW WAS GOING TO BE FROM THE PUBLIC STREETS, LESS SO FROM BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.

BUT I MEAN THAT, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION.

SO YOU COULD HAVE SCREENING INSIDE A SCREENED AREA.

OH, SO YOU YOUR, YOUR SCREENING WOULD BE JUST THE SIX FOOT WALL INTO YOUR SCENARIO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE.

SO WE EVALUATED THE SCREENING BASED UPON WHAT'S SHOWN IN PINK.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

UM, THERE, SO, BUT IF COUNSEL IS CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL SCREENING TOWARDS THE INTERIOR TO SCREEN THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTIES FROM WHAT ADDITIONAL OPERATIONS COULD OCCUR, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S AN OPTION AVAILABLE.

YEAH, I'M JUST ONE, YEAH.

I GUESS AGAIN, BACK TO MY SORT OF SOLUTIONS ORIENTED MINDED HERE, LIKE ARE WE ABLE TO DO, WOULD IT SATISFY FOLKS IF WE HAD PARTIAL SCREENING? 'CAUSE I, I'M, I AM CURIOUS HOW YOU WOULD CIRCULATE THROUGH THIS PROPERTY IF WE REQUIRE FULL SCREENING ACROSS THE DRIVE AISLE BETWEEN ALL THESE BUILDINGS.

YEAH, AND CAN I JUST JUMP IN REALLY QUICKLY? I AGREE WE CAN'T GO ALL THE WAY.

'CAUSE THERE, I MEAN THERE, THERE, AS FAR AS TRANSFER TRANSPORTATION GOES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TRUCKS BACK THERE.

BUT YOU COULD ANGLE THE SCREENING WHILE WHERE THE DUMPSTER PICKUP IS RIGHT AT THAT ANGLE AND THAT WOULD CUT OFF A PORTION TO WHERE YOU DON'T SEE OVER INTO YOUR NEIGHBOR.

SO THERE'S A WAY TO MANEUVER THAT IF NECESSARY.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THE, UH, THE MASONRY WALL.

I THINK THAT'S JUST A REPRESENTATION OF WHERE SCREENING COULD GO, BUT YOU COULD ANGLE IT OR NOT ANGLE IT, BUT IT'S CAN ONLY BE WHERE THE, THE DARKER GRAYED OUT AREA IS.

COUNCILMAN BARRIOS.

UH, TINA, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT WE'RE SOMETHING HERE ON THIS SLIDE UNDER REQUIRED, IT SAYS OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL BE SCREENED.

ARE THEY REQUIRED, ARE THEY ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS? YES, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE BY RIGHT AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN THE REQUIREMENT, IF YOU HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE, IS THAT IT HAS TO BE SCREENED FROM THE VIEWS OF STREETS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

SO THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT'S SEEKING THE RELIEF ON THIS SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS READING THAT PROPERLY.

YOU KNOW, I DO THINK LIKE IF YOU HAVE SCREENING AND YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT COME IN LATER, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, WHERE IT'S COMPLETELY ENCLOSED.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

MAYOR PRO TIMM HUTCHIN WRITER.

JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION.

IF WE, IF WE PASS, 'CAUSE IT'S 'CAUSE KIND OF TO COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE'S POINT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE OTHER COMPONENTS IN HERE ARE BEING DEBATED.

IF WE SIMPLY SAID YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME TYPE OF SCREENING AROUND SCREENING WITHIN THE SCREENING, IF YOU WILL, NOT BLOCKING THE, THE, THE, THE ROADWAY.

UM, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU JUST DID THAT SCREENING AROUND THAT THEN YOU DON'T, THEN WE'D NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A NEIGHBOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBOR BUSINESSES COMPLAINING OR CAUSING AN ISSUE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

WOULD YOU, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? IF WE PASS EVERYTHING ELSE? I WOULD PREFER NOT TO.

AND THE REASON WHY IS I THINK THIS SITE IS NEVER GONNA BE THE PERFECT DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, THERE IS, IT'S, IT'S A VERY THIN STRIP OF LAND AND I THINK ONCE YOU START BUILDING FENCES AND PUTTING, YOU KNOW, BALLARDS, IT'S JUST PEOPLE, TO ME IT WILL CAUSE MORE HARM THAN HELP.

AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

AND I THINK MARKETING, MARKETING IN MORE AS A WIDE OPEN KIND OF COURT IS MUCH MORE PREFERABLE TO THE MARKET.

AND THIS, THIS IS PURELY MY OPINION.

I MEAN, I CAN, YOU KNOW, BEN CHOLIC HERE IS WITH RAYMOND CONSTRUCTION.

HE BUILDS THIS PRODUCT ALL OVER TOWN.

YOU CAN ASK HIM IF YOU'D LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HE SEES THIS PRODUCT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

UM, I I JUST THINK WHEN YOU START, WHEN YOU START PUTTING BARRIERS AND YOU HAVE VEHICLES, THEY JUST GET HIT WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE POST STICKING UP.

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YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, I I JUST THINK FOR ME, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME WHO WANT THIS TO BE TOTAL RETAIL.

I THINK THERE WILL BE POSSIBLE RETAIL PEOPLE THAT USE THESE BUILDINGS, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT OUR VISION AT THE ONSET.

WE'VE KIND OF, I MEAN THE BUILDINGS ARE RETAIL QUALITY AT THIS POINT.

AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE POINT.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE MARKET IS GONNA DO, BUT I DO HESITATE TO SCREEN EVERYTHING BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL, THAT WILL MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE PAUSE.

SO TINA, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF SCREENING THAT COULD BE DONE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE UNDER THE REQUIRED THAT WOULD MINIMIZE BOLLARDS OR THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES THAT, THAT, THAT WE COULD FIND A MIDDLE GROUND ON? CAN I, CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING ON THE SCREENING ON THE FENCE, THIS RIGHT HERE, I MEAN WE, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCREENING FROM PUBLIC VIEW.

I REALLY DO THINK THESE SIX TENANTS ARE, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRASH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CUSTOMERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EMPLOYEES COMING THROUGH HERE.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A MATERIAL SUPPLY COMPANY AND PUT THEM IN BUILDING, YOU KNOW, REALLY ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS.

YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A TILE COMPANY.

BUT THE REALITY IS MOST OF THE TILE COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL STORE MOST OF THEIR, MOST OF THEIR TILE INSIDE.

WHETHER IT'S A WINDOW COMPANY, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE A, A PALLET OF WINDOWS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MOST OF THEIR STORAGE INSIDE.

TINA, CAN YOU JUST, IN THE 50 SECONDS GOT LEFT, IS IT, IS IT SURE THING.

UM, SO THE CODE REQUIRES, UM, THAT IT HAS TO BE MASONRY WALLS, MINIMUM SIX FEET TALL, MAXIMUM EIGHT ARCHITECTURALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING ON THIS SITE.

SO YOU WOULD BE PUTTING MASONRY WALLS INSIDE A MASONRY WALLED ENCLOSURE IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

THE OTHER OPTION IS A TUBULAR STEEL FENCE WITH AN IRRIGATED SOLID LANDSCAPE SCREEN.

BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A REALITY HERE, GIVEN ALL THE PAVEMENT THAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN, OR YOU CAN DO A COMBINATION OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, THEIR OTHER OPTION IS TO SEEK RELIEF THROUGH THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS OF ALLOWING OTHER MATERIALS.

MAYOR.

IF, UH, IF I CAN OFFER A SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE COULD BE AN APPROACH THAT STATES THAT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, SCREENING OR REQUIREMENTS, UM, AS THE BASIS, HOWEVER, UM, YOU PICK WHAT USE, IF IT'S RETAIL ONLY, IF IT'S RETAIL AND OFFICE, IF A RETAIL, UM, ESTABLISHED LO ESTABLISHMENT LOCATES IN ONE OF THESE SIX BUILDINGS, YOU COULD HAVE IT TO WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SCREEN FROM THE ADJACENT.

SO IT'S GONNA BE USE SPECIFIC.

IF, IF IT, IF RETAIL USE NEVER MATERIALIZES, YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

UM, IF A RETAIL USE DOES, THEN IT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY GET THEIR CO IS IF THERE'S A SCREEN FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO SCREEN EVERYTHING.

UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE POTENTIAL SOLUTION.

UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY IF YOU WERE STRATEGIC ENOUGH, UH, WHERE YOU LOCATED THEM, YOU COULD MINIMIZE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF SCREENING.

IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU WERE STRATEGIC WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED THE RETAIL, YOU COULD MINI POTENTIALLY MINIMIZE THE SCREENING.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF A MIDDLE GROUND THAT WOULD, UM, PERHAPS NOT REQUIRE SCREENING BETWEEN TWO, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, COMMERCIAL SLASH YOU KNOW, LIGHT MANUFACTURING COMPANIES FOR INSTANCE.

BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE IT BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL LIGHT MANUFACTURING IN A RE A RESTAURANT OR, YOU KNOW, A COFFEE SHOP.

UH, UNLESS WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

YEAH, I JUST, AS WE KIND OF START REALLY GOING DOWN THIS, THIS PATH OF FINDING THIS COMPROMISE AND NEGOTIATING IT, I MEAN, DO WE, DO WE EVEN HAVE A CONSENSUS ON HERE THAT ADDING SCREENS AT ALL IS NECESSARY? I MEAN, I DON'T KIND OF LISTENING TO SOME OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHAEL WAS SAYING AND THEN EVEN JUST ENVISIONING FOUR BULLETS WHERE THEY GET CREATIVE AND PUT THAT FOOD TRUCK THERE TO REALLY ACT AS A TEMPORARY SCREEN.

I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.

DO YOU THINK, I MEAN, MAYOR OTHERS, I MEAN, DO YOU GUYS EVEN THINK THAT THE LACK OF SCREENING IN OTHER AREAS ALONG INTERURBAN HAS BEEN LIKE A BIG HINDRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DISTRICT? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE, ARE WE REALLY DEBATING, LIKE, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THERE.

IF WE DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE SO WE CAN YEAH.

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YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DEBATING IT.

NO, I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

UH, I MEAN, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT YOUR QUESTION, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER AFIN, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ASK TO APPLICANT? NO, I, I JUST STILL SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, OVERALL SCREENING IS ALREADY THERE AND UH, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF NOT HAVING ANY SCREENING INSIDE, THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT.

I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, EXPLAINED THAT PRETTY WELL AND DON HAS PUT SOME POSITION THAT'S A GOOD POSITION AS SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THE BUSINESS COME, IF THEY NEED SOMETHING, THEY CAN ALWAYS PUT THE SCREENING THERE.

UH, OTHERWISE I THINK WE ARE JUST DETECTING SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING.

I THINK IF WE FOLLOW THE BOOK, YES, THE SCREENING WALL IS IMPORTANT NEEDED, BUT IF YOU PROCESS THE INFORMATION AND LOOK AT IT, I DON'T SEE THE SCREEN SCREENING WALL IS NEEDED THERE.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

UH, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT, IT IS A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, SPEAKERS, WE CAN OPEN THAT UP.

I HAVE NO CARDS.

MAYOR, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HOPING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? ALRIGHT, MAYOR PRO, TIMM, HUTCHIN RIDER, MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO SPEAKERS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALRIGHT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO.

TIMM HUTCHIN RIDER A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

UH, LET'S MAYBE DISCUSS, UH, UH, THE POINT.

UM, MY, MY ONLY THINKING IS HAVING DRIVEN BACK AND FORTH ON THESE STREETS, SO OFTEN I DO SEE THOSE ONES THAT AREN'T SCREENED.

AND I THINK WHAT AN EYESORE IS, AND GRANTED A LOT OF THOSE INSTANCES ARE FROM THE STREET.

THIS IS COVERED FROM THE STREET, SO THAT'S A POSITIVE.

UH, BUT AS I THINK OF, AGAIN, THE FLEXIBILITY, THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING FORM-BASED IS, SO WE HAVE FLEXIBLE BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

PERHAPS, UM, UH, CITY MANAGER'S SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, COULD BE THE SOLUTION, RIGHT? AND I IMAGINE, UH, THE APP, WHOEVER COMES IN WITH A RESTAURANT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT UP A, A SCREENING WALL IF THAT'S THE CASE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO NOT CREATE MORE WORK FOR PERHAPS THE MORE DESIRABLE USE IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? SO IF OUR GOAL ONE DAY IS TO HAVE DIFFERENT RETAIL USES BACK THERE, I HATE TO ADD EXTRA HURDLES FOR THAT PERSON BECAUSE ALL WE COULD SEE WAS POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL USES OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, BARRIOS, THANK YOU MAYOR, UM, COUNCIL, I WAS REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS BECAUSE OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TO ALLOW THEM THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THEY CAN DO THAT BY, RIGHT.

I, I KNOW OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE MADE VARIOUS, UH, ZONING DECISIONS IN THIS DISTRICT.

AND TO ONE THING THAT I, I'VE HEARD WE NEED EVERYTHING FROM A CATALYST, WHICH I THINK THIS APPLICANT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING TO, WE NEED MORE ALL KINDS OF BUSINESS.

ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD THEM SAY IS, WE NEED MORE STORAGE.

BUT AGAIN, OUTDOOR STORAGE.

BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THEY CAN DO BY, RIGHT? SO MY IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT, MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT STARTS GOING TOWARDS UP SCREENING OF SOME SORT.

NOW, I LOVE WHAT THIS POTENTIALLY LOOKS LIKE FACING INTERURBAN.

I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THE REALITY THAT GREEN VOLT ON THE BACK END PROVIDES A LOT OF MARKETING OPPORTUNITY, A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

BUT THIS SIX FOOT WALL KIND OF CLOSES ALL THAT OFF TO THAT POSSIBILITY.

SO YOU REALLY, IT BECOMES A INTENDED DESTINATION.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WHILE THOUGH THAT'S NOT ON THIS, ON THE BLOCK NOW, THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT THE APPLICANT, IF THIS PASSES, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER THAT WHEN DESIGNING AND PAINTING THAT BACK WALL, SOMETHING COLORFUL, MAYBE INVITING TO THE DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE THAT MARKETING, HOPEFULLY WOULD BENEFIT HIM, HIS TENANTS AND THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.

BECAUSE I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED WITH THIS BACK WALL.

NOW WITH THAT SAID, UM, MAYOR, I, I, I THINK TO, TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT ABOUT MAKING IT SPECIFIC, I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, WHAT DID YOU CALL IT, A SHOWROOM OR SOMETHING THAT STORES IN THE BACK, LET'S SAY TILE OR STONE OR WHAT ARE THE MANY OTHER USES THAT A STORE ROOM CAN STORE IN THE BACK? I'D BE OPEN TO MAYBE PUT A PARTIAL SCREENING WALL THERE.

UM, BUT TO BE HONEST WITH THAT BIG WALL IN THE BACK, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY HELPS A WHOLE LOT.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON IT.

I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE IDEA, BUT I DON'T REALLY, I CAN'T JUDGE IT BASED ON THAT.

SO, YEAH.

ZONING FILE ZF 26 DASH 12 AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS AMENDING COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP.

ANY OTHER CONVERSATION? UM, I'LL HEAR A MOTION.

I'LL, I'LL TRY A MOTION.

SEE IF, SURE.

UM, SO I'LL MOVE TO, UM, APPROVED

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THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS AMENDED BY APPROVING AND ADOPTING A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON 2.25 ACRES AT AT 500 NORTH INTERURBAN STREET ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERURBAN STREET AND THE NORTH SIDE OF JACKSON STREET.

AND CURRENTLY ZONED MAIN STREET SLASH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY EXPRESSWAY PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT INTERURBAN SUBDISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SIX BUILDINGS WITH THE PARTIAL SCREENING IN THE EVENT OF A RETAIL BUSINESS.

SO I'LL TRY THAT AND SEE IF THAT FLIES.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DOREEN, CAN, CAN, I'M SORRY.

WE CAN, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT.

BUT WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER.

DORIAN? YES.

I, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT.

SO IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES.

UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE MAYOR PRO THAMES, UH, BUT MY CONCERN THERE, IF WE WORD IT WITH RETAIL, THE BURDEN GOES ON THE, LET'S SAY IT'S A ICE CREAM SHOP OR I THINK A CHEESECAKE BAKERY THAT GOES IN.

MY CONCERN THERE IS OFTENTIMES THOSE TYPE THAT RULE MAY DISCOURAGE THOSE KIND OF INDEPENDENT SMALL THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE.

I'D RATHER MAYBE FLIP IT AND HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME, BUT MAYBE, AND DON HELP ME WITH, WITH, BUT MAYBE IT BEING ON, IF THERE'S A BUSINESS GONNA HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE, MAYBE THE BURDEN BE ON THEM VERSUS THE SMALL SHOP COMING IN WHO MAY BE PROVIDING, I DON'T KNOW, CUSTOMIZED DOG LEASHES YEAH.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, SO THE, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT IF YOU HAD SIX BUSINESSES THAT ALL HAD OUT STARTED STORAGE, YOU'D HAVE SIX INTERIOR SCREENING AND IT WOULDN'T BE GETTING AT THE ISSUE, WHICH IS FOR NON, FOR RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.

I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE, SO, SO THE, THE, IT MAY FALL ONTO THE, IT MAY FALL ONTO THE TENANT, BUT I MEAN, IF, IF A, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER BROKER IS INTERESTED IN LEASING THESE UP, UM, THAT THEY CAN WORK, THEY CAN WORK THAT INTO THE, TO THE LEASE, THEY CAN TAKE THAT ON THEMSELVES OR IT, BUT YOUR, YOUR POINT IS A VALID ONE.

IT MAY FALL ONTO A TENANT, BUT I DON'T THINK, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK MANY TENANTS, MANY, MANY TENANTS ARE GONNA ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

I THINK THEY'RE GONNA EXPECT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, TO DO THAT.

BUT THERE'S VERY, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU PUT IT, IF YOU, IF YOU SAY THERE, IF THERE'S GONNA BE OUTSIDE STORAGE, YOU HAVE TO SCREEN, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY END UP WITH SIX SCREENS WHEN EVERYBODY HAS OUTSIDE STORAGE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD USE, A GOOD COOL USE THAT WE WANNA SEE THERE, UM, THAT WANTS TO HAVE A PATIO ON THE BACK, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STORAGE OF EVERYONE ELSE.

THE WAY THAT I'VE SUGGESTED THAT I THINK GETS AT THAT BECAUSE IF I WANNA OPEN THAT ICE CREAM SHOP RIGHT IN THE CENTER, UH, IN THEIR STORAGE OUTSIDE TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF ME TO GET, TO GET A CO AND TO BE ABLE TO, TO BE ABLE TO START WORKING AND OCCUPYING AND OPERATING OUTTA THE BUILDING, SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO CREATE THE SCREEN.

TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UM, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING FILE ZF 26 13 AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP AMENDED BY AMENDING AND RESTATING IN THEIR ENTIRETY THE DEVELOPMENT AND USE REGULATIONS OF PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FROM BASE CODE AS SET FORTH AND EXHIBIT B OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 40 97 AS AMENDED BY ORDINANCE NUMBERS 41 91 AND 43 66 RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF 540 ACRES.

COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, I'M NOT VERY EXPERIENCED IN THIS.

SO DAWN OR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP.

I MEAN, WOULD, WOULDN'T THERE JUST BE A CHANCE THAT THIS AMENDMENT JUST DISCOURAGES THE USE OF LEASING THESE OUT TO POTENTIAL, I GUESS, RETAIL USES BECAUSE OF THAT ADDITIONAL EXPENSE? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT, IS THAT A RISK THAT WE'RE TAKING AND THAT WE'RE, I DON'T THINK ANY MORE THAN A RISK OF THINKING THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET AN OUTSIDE USE THAT WANTS A, A GREAT OUTDOOR SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE HAVING STORAGE TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.

I, I THINK, I THINK IN GENERAL THOUGH, I'M NOT A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, UH, EXPERT, BUT I THINK IN GENERAL THE RETAIL USES OFTENTIMES WILL GET MORE PER FOOT.

AND SO WHOEVER'S LEASING IT MIGHT BE WILLING TO JUST PUT UP HOWEVER MANY FEET OF FENCE ON EITHER SIDE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF SHIELDING IN THAT SCENARIO.

SO I'M GUESSING IT'S JUST KIND OF GETS ABSORBED AS SOME SORT OF TI BUT COUNCIL MEMBER INE, I STILL WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING RESTRICTION IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

LEAVING IT, FOR EXAMPLE, DEPENDING ON THE BUSINESS OWNER, THEY WILL BUILD WHATEVER NEEDED.

IF SIX RESTAURANT COMES AND IT BECOMES ALL OPEN AREA, THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE.

BUT ICE CREAM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ICE CREAM SHOP, THEY HAVE ICE CREAM TRUCK, THEY WANNA PARK IN THE BACK, UH, THOSE ARE THE NICE PLACE TO KEEP THAT TEMPORARY AND BLOCKING THOSE THING WOULD CREATE PROBLEM.

I THINK LEAVING THAT AS IS, YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, IS BETTER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE OVERALL SCREENING WALL AND FOR THE SAKE OF JUST PUTTING A SCREENING WALL, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT ONE.

GOT IT.

UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALRIGHT, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF KIND OF MOVING THIS FORWARD AND, AND, UM, I, I LOVE OVERALL THE PROJECT AND, AND I, I REALLY DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, CREATE

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A, A NEGATIVE SITUATION.

I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS STUFF THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, AND THIS CLEARLY WON'T BE, IT DOES, I THINK, LIMIT THE POSSIBILITIES FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA USE THE OUTDOOR SPACE, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IF THAT PERSON WANTED THE SCREENING, THEY COULD ACTUALLY PUT THE SCREENING UP THEMSELVES IN THAT CASE.

UH, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIO SPRINGS UP A GOOD POINT, WHICH IS COULD IT CREATE AN ARTIFICIAL BARRIER FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T CARE, BUT THEY HAPPEN TO BE RETAIL.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD STRIKE THE ADDITIONAL ELEMENT THAT FORCES THE RETAILER TO DO IT.

I KNOW YOU WERE TRYING TO DO IT IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S USUALLY YOUR WAY.

UH, BUT I, BUT I ALSO, I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT YOUR COMPROMISE JUST ENDED UP KIND OF MAKING IT MAYBE MORE CONFUSING FOR THE RETAILER.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, UM, ALL RIGHT.

WELL WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, SO WE DO NOW HAVE TO VOTE.

UM, I PERSONALLY AM GOING TO BE VOTING AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE HAVE A DIFFERENT MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, BUT HOWEVER EACH PERSON WANTS TO VOTE IS UP TO THEM.

NO, NO, IT'S OKAY.

IT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.

SO, ALL IN FAVOR? HE CAN WITHDRAW IT WITHOUT A VOTE.

WELL, HE HAS A SECOND WHEN I BELIEVE WHEN HE, HE'S GOT A SECOND.

HE'S GOTTA VOTE.

SO LET'S JUST GET, LET'S GET IT DECLINED AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

SO, OR IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT DO IT'S ALL IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT IS DECLINED UNANIMOUSLY.

GO AHEAD, PROPOSE IT.

MAYOR PRO SAME, THE SAME AMENDMENT WITHOUT THE YEAH, GO AHEAD.

WITHOUT THE, I DON'T HAVE TO REREAD THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.

SO THE, THE SAME, THE SAME MOTION BUT WITHOUT THE, UM, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? SO, ZONING FILE 26 12.

COUNCIL MEMBER DOREEN.

I, I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? I PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

PLEASE GET US SOME RESTAURANTS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, WE ARE MOVING ON

[8. PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING FILE ZF 26-13, AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, BY AMENDING AND RESTATING IN THEIR ENTIRETY THE DEVELOPMENT AND USE REGULATIONS OF PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT MAIN STREET/CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM BASED CODE AS SET FORTH IN EXHIBIT “B” OF ORDINANCE NO. 4097, AS AMENDED BY ORDINANCE NOS. 4191 AND 4366, SAID REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF 540 ACRES GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY (U.S. 75), FROM ARAPAHO ROAD ON THE NORTH AND EXTENDING TO THE SOUTHERN CITY LIMIT LINE. ]

GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY US 75 FROM ARAPAHOE ROAD ON THE NORTH AND EXTENDING THE SOUTHERN CITY LIMIT LINE.

MR. MAGNER.

FLAGPOLES FOR CORPORATE FLAGS, SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS OF 10 ACRES OR MORE, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO.

UH, DEREK PETERS IS GONNA STAFF THIS ITEM FOR US IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO HER.

THANK YOU DAWN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO YES, THIS IS A CITY INITIATED REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING THREE COMPONENTS.

UM, THESE ARE THREE INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY FORM-BASED CODE PD DISTRICT.

SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FLAGS, CORPORATE AND LOGO SIGNAGE AND ASSOCIATED DEFINITIONS.

THE PLACEMENT OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ON PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO AN ALLEY IN THE MAIN STREET SUBDISTRICT AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE CODE FIRST IS RELATED TO FLAGS AND FLAGPOLES.

SO THE CITY DOES ESTABLISH, UH, REGULATIONS FOR FLAGS AND FLAGPOLES CITYWIDE IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND COUNCIL.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS YEAR AND APRIL CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE AND BECAUSE THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE SIGNAGE REGULATIONS, THAT CODE NEEDS TO BE AMENDED AS WELL TO MATCH WITH THE CITYWIDE CODE.

SO THE FOLLOWING REGULATIONS I WILL GO OVER, UH, THEY SHOULD BE FAMILIAR TO YOU AND YOU MAY BE SEEING THESE AGAIN AS WE DO HAVE OTHER PDS THAT ALSO HAVE SEPARATE SIGNAGE REGULATIONS.

SO FIRST IS, UM, I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE.

THIS TABLE WILL SHOW IN THE CENTER COLUMN THE CURRENT REGULATION AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE PROPOSED REGULATION.

SO GOING FORWARD AS PROPOSED, ALL LAND USE TYPES WOULD BE ALLOWED A FLAG AND FLAGPOLE.

FLAGPOLE HEIGHT WOULD BE LIMITED FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWN HOME PROPERTIES.

THEY WOULD LI BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 25 FEET FOR ALL OTHER PROPERTIES.

40 FEET.

FLAG SIZE WOULD BE LIMITED ON SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWN HOME PROPERTIES TO 25 FEET, 25 SQUARE FEET AND 40 SQUARE FEET FOR ALL OTHER PROPERTIES.

FLAG AND FLAGPOLE QUANTITY WOULD BE LIMITED DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND, UH, CHARACTER OF THE LOT.

FOR ACRES OR FOR DEVELOPMENTS WITH 10 ACRES OR MORE, AND TWO OR MORE STREET FRONTAGES AND THAT ARE NON-RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO SIX FLAGPOLES AND SIX FLAGS.

ALL OTHER LOTS WOULD BE LIMITED TO THREE FLAGPOLES AND THREE PLA FLAGS.

AND THEN OF THOSE ALLOWED

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FLAGPOLES MAY BE FLYING A CORPORATE FLAG OF THEIR ALLOWED FLAGS AND THEN FOR ALL OTHER LOTS WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE CORPORATE FLAG.

THE LOCATION OF FLAGPOLES WILL NOW BE REGULATED.

FLAGPOLES SHALL BE SET BACK FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES, A DISTANCE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE FLAGPOLE.

UM, ALSO FLAGPOLES WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED THROUGH A SITE, THROUGH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS, UM, THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWN HOME DISTRICTS.

AND THEN FINALLY, BUILDING PERMITS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR FLAGPOLES GOING FORWARD FOR FLAGPOLES GREATER THAN 25 FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND THEN THESE THREE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES ARE ALSO GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AS WELL.

AND NEXT, MOVING ON TO ACCESSORY BUILDING PLACEMENT ADJACENT TO ALLEY'S IN THE MAIN STREET SUBDISTRICT.

UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO STAFF'S ATTENTION AS THE SUBDISTRICT DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCES REINVESTMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE HAD VARIOUS BUSINESS OWNERS APPROACH US SEEKING RELIEF FOR BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ADJACENT TO ALLEYS.

AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES SUCH AS STORAGE BUILDINGS, PATIO COVERS, WALK-IN COOLERS AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES.

UM, AND MANY OF THESE PROPERTIES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ARE SMALLER AND CONSTRAINED DUE TO, UH, THEM BEING SMALLER LOTS AND THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TAKING UP THE MAJORITY OF EACH LOT, LEAVING LITTLE ROOM FOR ACCESSORY IMPROVEMENTS OR EXPANSION.

THIS IS A MAP OF THE MAIN STREET SUBDISTRICT.

THE BOUNDARY IS SHOWN IN BLUE AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE YELLOW IS THE ALLEYS WITHIN THE SUBDISTRICT AND PURPLE ARE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THOSE ALLEYS.

SO BECAUSE THESE ALLEYS PROVIDE A SEPARATION OR A BUFFER BETWEEN PROPERTIES AND THEMSELVES, UM, BY THEMSELVES, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE SETBACK RELIEF FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

AS SUCH, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO ALLOW FOR A ZERO FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK FROM THE ALLEY ALLEY RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THIS IMAGE DOES SHOW ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO AN ALLEY IN PURPLE.

AND I'M GONNA DRILL DOWN A LITTLE DEEPER HERE.

SO WE ARE PROPOSING A ZERO FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, FROM THE ALLEY RIGHT OF WAY.

WE'LL ALSO NOTE HERE THAT THE EXISTING AND THE CURRENT SIDE YARD SETBACK IS ALSO ZERO FEET.

SO THAT IS NOT PROPOSED, UH, TO BE CHANGED.

SO THESE TWO DIAGRAMS SHOW YOU DOWN HERE, UM, WHERE THERE'S DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS FOR HOW LOTS MAY, UH, BE ADJACENT TO AN ALLEY.

SOME LOTS, UH, ARE ON CORNER LOTS AND THEY HAVE TWO FRONTS, THEREFORE THEY HAVE TWO SIDES AND NO REAR YARD.

SO IF THAT TYPE OF LOT SIDES ONTO AN ALLEY OR BACKS UP TO AN ALLEY, IT'S ACTUALLY A SIDE YARD AS SHOWN IN THE BLUE HERE.

SO WE HAVE, UM, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE A CORNER LOT AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE A CORNER LOT WHERE THERE IS A SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SIDING TO AN ALLEY.

AND THAT WAS WILL NOT CHANGE WITH THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

HOWEVER, FOR THOSE INTERIOR LOTS THAT BACK UP TO AN ALLEY AND HAVE A REAR YARD, UH, LIKE THE ONE SHOWN IN RED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT WOULD BE, UH, BENE THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY.

HERE'S SOME MORE BACKGROUND ON WHAT IS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AND STRUCTURE AS DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE.

AN ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE IS DETACHED FROM THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING AND IS LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT AND IS CUSTOMARILY INCIDENTAL INSUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.

THE SAME GOES FOR THE ACCESSORY USE.

SO THE KEY THINGS HERE ARE DETACHED ON THE SAME LOT AND INCIDENTAL AND SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL USE ON SITE.

UH, AS, UH, FOR THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES, THE DETERMINATION IS CONTEXTUAL TO THE PRIMARY USE, BUT IT INCLUDE COULD INCLUDE STORAGE BUILDINGS AND WALK-IN COOLERS.

UH, THESE ARE THE TYPE OF REQUESTS WE HAVE RECEIVED PRIMARILY FROM RESTAURANT OWNERS DOWNTOWN.

UM, AND THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, IN, UH, OPPOSITION TO THIS OR I I SHOULD SAY.

UM, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE MAY NOT APPROVE AN ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE IS A PROPOSED STRUCTURE THAT IS NOT INCIDENTAL TO THE MAIN BUILDING OR THE MAIN BUSINESS.

SO IF YOU HAVE A REAL ESTATE OFFICE ASKING FOR A WALK-IN COOLER IN THE REAR, WE'RE GONNA ASK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND MORE THAN LIKELY WON'T APPROVE THAT THE APPROVE THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR SITING ACCESSORY BUILDINGS WITH NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS THE TYPICAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.

SO THAT'S AN APPROVAL BY THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

AND IF A APPLICANT WANTED TO CHALLENGE STAFF'S INTERPRETATION, THEY WOULD CONTINUE

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DOWN THE NORMAL PATH OF TAKING THAT REQUEST FOR THAT APPEAL TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

AND OUR THIRD TOPIC, UH, IN THIS CASE TONIGHT IS RELATED TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CODE.

THIS IS MORE OF A HOUSE CLEANING TYPE OF AMENDMENT WE NEED TO MAKE TO CLEAR UP SOME, UM, INCORRECT EXHIBIT CITATIONS IN THE CODE.

THE CODE WAS AMENDED IN 2020 AND THAT APPLIED TO CERTAIN NON-CONFORMING REGULATIONS TO A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF PROPERTIES SHOWN IN YELLOW HERE.

BUT WHEN THIS EXHIBIT WAS INCORPORATED, IT WAS CITED INCORRECTLY.

SO WE ARE CLEANING THAT UP WITH THIS AMENDMENT TONIGHT.

ALSO, AS PART OF THIS ZONING CASE, ALL OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AMENDMENTS TO THIS CODE ARE GOING TO BE WRAPPED UP INTO ONE CODE AND RESTATED IN ITS ENTIRETY.

FINALLY, THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE MAIN STREET CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY DISTRICT WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS PROPERTIES 200 FEET WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.

BOUNDARY STAFF HAS RECEIVED ONE NEUTRAL RESPONSE TO THE FLAG AND FLAGPOLE SECTION OF THE REQUEST ONE IN SUPPORT WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE OPPOSED TO THE PLACEMENT OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, PORTION OF THE REQUEST, AND THEN AN OVERALL, UH, LETTER OF SUPPORT OF ONE FROM ONE PERSON.

THE CPC VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED, AND THE CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE THE ZONING FILE AND THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED AS AMENDED OR DENIED THE REQUEST, AND THE CITY INITIATED THIS REQUEST TONIGHT.

SO WE ARE THE APPLICANT IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER EZ, JUST TWO QUESTIONS, DEREK.

UM, AND I THINK YOU SAID THIS ALREADY, BUT ON THE FLAGS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST APPROVED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

THERE WAS NO CHANGES THERE, RIGHT? I DIDN'T CATCH ANY, BUT I WANTED TO VERIFY THAT.

NOW, WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AFTER THE FACT, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY ASKED ME A QUESTION AND I SUSPECT THEY WOULD'VE A SIMILAR QUESTION TO THIS.

LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A BUSINESS WITH A VERY LARGE FLAGPOLE, THE OWNERSHIP CHANGES, DOES THAT RIGHT REMAIN UNDER THE NEW OR IS IT CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING? AND, AND NEW OWNERSHIP WOULD HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT FLAGPOLE IF IT'S NOT ACCORDING TO THE NEW REGULATIONS.

SO THE FLAGPOLES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THE OWNERSHIP CHANGED WITH THE PROPERTY.

UM, THINK OF IT LIKE A STRUCTURE.

IF A STRUCTURE WAS BUILT AND IT COMPLIED THE DAY IT WAS BUILT AND THEN THE CITY CAME AND CHANGED THE RULES LATER, THEN IT BECOMES A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, IF YOU WILL.

SO, UM, NOW IF THOSE FLAGPOLES WERE EVER REMOVED FROM THE SITE AND THEY WANTED TO ERECT NEW FLAGPOLES, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THEM BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

I THANK YOU MAYOR.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.

UM, I LIKE THE SPIRIT OF THIS ALLOWING PATIOS AND, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE SORT OF, I LIKE THE SPIRIT OF, OF THE CHANGE.

UM, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ON SLIDE 10.

THE, THE THREE THAT WERE OPPOSED, UH, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ALLEY NEXT TO THEIR, THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND SO AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ACTUALLY THIS CHANGE WOULD NOT IMPACT THAT PARTICULAR ALLEY? THAT IS CORRECT.

I BELIEVE YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF TEXAS AND KAUFMAN.

THERE ARE SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES HERE, THIS PROPERTY SIDES ONTO THE ALLEY IN QUESTION.

SO THAT IS NOT CHANGING, THAT REGULATION IS NOT CHANGING.

THEY'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY HAS THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT A PRINCIPAL BUILDING OR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AT THAT PROPERTY LINE TODAY.

ZERO FEE FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.

SO I, I GUESS IT WAS CONFUSING IN THE PACKET BECAUSE IT'S INCLUDED IN THE MAP OF YELLOW AND PURPLE AND, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT PARTICULAR ALLEY IS NOT CHANGING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

PERSPECTIVE TO SORT OF REIGN THIS IN, MEET THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE ARE INTENDING TODAY WITHOUT POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? BECAUSE OH, DON, YOU WOULD, OKAY.

THAT, THAT WAS ONE QUESTION.

AND I THINK YOU, YOU MAY HAVE ADDRESSED MY OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS MY CONCERN THAT WHAT ARE THE UN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS? WE UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD SOMEONE CLAIM AS AN ACCESSORY USE AND, YOU KNOW, ACCESSORY BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, OOPS, WE DIDN'T MEAN THAT.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROPOSAL NOW IS TO UPDATE THE, THE ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS WHERE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING AND LOOK AT IT.

IT COULD BE SLIDE 11, SORRY, UM, BEFORE IT CAN BE PLACED.

THAT THAT PART, THAT PROCESS ALREADY EXISTS TODAY.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO AN ACCESSORY BUILDING OR EVEN A PRIMARY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, THEY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN TO US, WE REVIEW IT FOR COMPLIANCE.

SO I THINK DEREK'S SLIDE, SHE WAS JUST TRYING TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THE, THE TYPICAL PROCESS WOULD BE.

YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IT'D BE MY PREFERENCE AND I'D BE HEAR FROM OTHERS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE LIMIT THIS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE AND THEN GIVE DISCRETION TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE SPIRIT.

UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE SPIRIT OF, FOR EXAMPLE, A PATIO COVER, UM, OR A WALK-IN FREEZER.

SO, UM, WOULD THERE BE A SOLUTION FROM THAT

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OH, OKAY.

I WAS GONNA SAY, IF THIS, IF THE CONCERN IS BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KAUFMAN, THEN MAYBE WE LIMIT THE AMENDMENT TO, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE NORTH OF POLK STREET.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP IN MIND THOUGH THAT I, IF I OWNED THE PROPERTY, I COULD GO BUILD A BUILDING THAT IS THREE STORIES TALL, ZERO FEET OFF.

SO THE PRIMARY BUILDING HAS A GREATER IMPACT THAN THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.

IT'S NOT A PROPERTY.

DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, YEAH, DIFFERENT.

I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS MENTIONED, BUT I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT JUST THE ENTIRE DISTRICT THAT CHANGED THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.

SO, AND AGAIN, AS I SIT HERE TODAY, I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE WOULD BE, BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN IS SOME SORT OF ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT WE DIDN'T INTEND IF WE DON'T PUT LIMITS ON IT.

SO I THINK OUR, I THINK OUR POSITION IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE AND ACCESSORY USE, THAT WE WOULD BE POSITIONED WELL TO SAY TO SOMEONE, UH, THIS ISN'T AN IN, THIS ISN'T AN INCIDENTAL USE AND ISN'T A RELATED USE.

UM, AND BE ABLE TO SAY IF IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT OUTLIER THAT IS DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY FOR BEING SUGGESTED OR REQUESTED, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THESE TWO DEFINITIONS TO, TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AND SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A RELATED, UM, INCIDENTAL USE TO YOUR PRIMARY USE AND THEREFORE IT DOESN'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, THEREFORE IT'S NOT ALLOWED EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE BEEN ALLOWED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE, WITH THE EXISTING SETBACK.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE POSSIBILITY THAT I THINK, UM, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTICULATE, UM, IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO, TO, TO THE RED LINE THAT YOU HAVE THERE.

UM, I THINK THERE'S ONLY THE ONE, THE ONE, UM, SECTION IN THE, THE CURRENT, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR SEC, THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

THERE'S ONLY THE ONE RED LINE.

WE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR, UH, FOR, UM, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BY THE MANAGER OR DESIGNEE.

THAT WOULD BE, I THINK TO ME THAT WOULD SIGNAL THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T ACCEPTABLE.

UM, WE COULD, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LISTING THINGS AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE KIND OF THINKING THERE IS THAT IF WE HAVE THE DEFINITIONS IT REQUIRES CITY MANAGER APPROVAL.

IT'S SAYING THAT, OR DESIGNEE APPROVAL, UM, THAT THOSE ARE PRETTY GOOD GOALPOSTS.

AND IF SOMETHING WASN'T, UH, CUSTOMARILY INCIDENTAL OR SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL USE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT AND SAY NO.

AND THEN THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT DEREK HAD, UH, DESCRIBED.

THEY WOULD HAVE APPEAL OPPORTUNITIES.

YEAH, I, I THINK I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, JUST ADDING SORT OF THAT, THAT EXTRA LANGUAGE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY IN THE PROCESS, IT DOES TO YOUR POINT SIGNAL THAT THERE, THERE COULD BE A DENIAL AND YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL IN WHAT YOU BRING FORWARD.

SO WITH, UM, IF THAT'S THE, THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL WHEN, WHEN THE MOTION'S MADE, JUST WE CAN, SOMEBODY CAN ADD THAT TO THE MOTION AND WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AND STAFF IS THE APPLICANT AS WELL.

SO, UH, I IMAGINE THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OF APPLICANT IN THAT CASE.

UH, IT IS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, LOVE TO TAKE 'EM.

WE HAVE NO CARDS, MAYOR.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LOOKING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? ALRIGHT.

SEEING NONE, MAYOR PRO, TOM HUTCHEN, RIDER, MAYOR MAKE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALRIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHEN RIDER, COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER INE.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PROTO HU WRITER MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO UH, APPROVE ZONING FILE 26 DASH 13 AND APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS LISTED WITH, GIMME THE EXACT WORDING, DON SO I DON'T MESS THAT UP.

UH, THE ADDITION OF APPROVAL BY THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE, APPROVAL BY CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE FOR SITING ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, I'LL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO, TIM HUTCHIN, WRITER A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER.

DORIAN, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.