Jun 09, 2025 City Council

REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT PROGRAMS AND TOPICS OF INTEREST.

SEVEN ZERO.

EVERYONE'S IN FAVOR.

UM, NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND THE VISITOR'S FORUM.

MR. MAGNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF ONE CARD IN ADVANCE OF THE 5:00 PM DEADLINE.

THAT'S FROM MR. JUSTIN NEFF, AND IT IS REGARDING, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS ZONING, FALL 25 0 4.

SO, UM, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED THOSE COMMENTS, AND WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE SPEAKER, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THIS EVENING.

SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD, UH, AND READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, UH, FOR BOTH THE VISITOR SECTION AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO ANYONE WHO WANTS YOU TO SPEAK FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, UH, THESE WILL APPLY.

UH, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPENED.

IF THERE IS A TIME LEFT DURING THIS INITIAL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE REMAINING TIME WILL BE PROVIDED AS A VISITOR'S FORUM OPEN TO ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY TOPIC IN WHICH THE SUBJECT MATTER IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY.

IF THE FULL 30 MINUTES ALLOCATED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REACHED, THEN SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD MAY SPEAK AT THE VISITOR'S FORUM SCHEDULED.

AT THE END OF THE MEETING, ALL SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD AND SUBMITTED TO THE SECRET CITY SECRETARY.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY RECEIVED.

WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MINUTES AS INDICATED BY THE TIMERS.

WHEN THE TIMER BEEPS, THE SPEAKER SHOULD CONCLUDE THEIR COMMENTS PROMPTLY.

SPEAKERS MUST NOT PHYSICALLY APPROACH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OR STAFF AND SHOULD REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS WITH HANDOUTS MUST PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY FOR DISTRIBUTION.

SPEAKERS.

SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE SAME TOPIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDUCE REPETITIVE REMARKS INDICATING THEIR COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.

OR BY SELECTING A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT PROHIBITS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA.

CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF WILL NOT AFFIRM OR OPPOSE ANY SPEAKER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER MAY RESPOND WITH FACTS, SAY, POLICY OR DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER.

AFTER THE MEETING, THE AUDIENCE IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM APPLAUDING OR OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, A COPY OF THE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURE.

AND THESE GUIDELINES MAY BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING.

I WILL, UH, ASK MS. NEER IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR, UH, DURING THE VISITORS, UH, PORTION OF THE MEETING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.

ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS INTERESTED? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE.

UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS TO

[5. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT (DART) PROGRAMS AND TOPICS OF INTEREST]

MR. MAGNER? UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

MAYOR COUNCIL.

WE ARE, UH, UH, VERY EXCITED TONIGHT TO HAVE, UH, UH, GARY SLICKER IS GARY SLAGEL, WHO IS, UH, OUR DART BOARD REPRESENTATIVE AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, AS WELL AS OUR, UH, THE DART CEO NADINE LEE AND, UH, DEMARCUS UFFORD, WHO IS, UH, HERE FROM HER TEAM.

UM, I THINK I'M GONNA THROW THIS OVER TO GARY FOR SOME INTRODUCTORY REMARKS.

UM, AND THEN, UH, I THINK HE'LL, UH, UH, TEAM UP WITH NADINE AND MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO, UH, SAY AS I THINK, UH, UH, WE PREPARE, UH, TOMORROW, UH, FOR A PRESS RELEASE TO BE, UM, PROVIDED BY DART ON, UH, ONE OF THEIR LATEST INITIATIVES, WHICH WAS, UH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF YOU ON A NUMBER OF WEEKS AGO, WHICH WAS THEIR TURS PROGRAM.

UM, THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE, UH, LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UH, NADINE AND HER TEAM HAS JUST BEEN, UH, EXCEPTIONAL TO WORK WITH.

THEY'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE, UH, HIGHLY, UH, DISTRACTED AND, UH, WORKING ON MANY, MANY FRONTS.

BUT TO, UM, BE ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER THE MANAGERS

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LIKE DART DID AND TO WORK WITH THEM IN JUST FIVE SHORT MONTHS AND HAVE THIS, UM, CHOSE ILA ADOPTED BY THEIR BOARD FOR US NOW TO ACT ON PROVIDING US WITH A WHOLE NOTHER, UH, A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL THAT WILL REALLY HELP US REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND FURTHER DIFFERENTIATE OURSELVES HERE IN NORTH TEXAS IS JUST, UH, EXCEPTIONAL.

NADINE.

SO, THANK YOU, UH, GARY AND, AND NADINE.

I ALSO WANNA, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE MARK NELSON, WHO'S OUR DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.

UH, MARK, OBVIOUSLY A KEY LIAISON TO, UH, DAR ATTENDING, UH, MOST OF THEIR BOARD MEETINGS AND REALLY HELPING US STAY ABREAST OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

SO, GARY, LET ME THROW IT OVER TO YOU.

ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DON.

I APPRECIATE IT.

WE, NADINE AND I WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO UP TO THE, TO THE PODIUM AND DO THAT, BUT, UH, WE'LL, WE SPLIT THIS UP A LITTLE BIT.

I'M GONNA COVER SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE ISSUES AND THE OUTCOME AS A RESULT OF THAT.

AND THEN, UH, NADINE WILL GIVE YOU A VERY IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND, AND REPORT ON WHERE WE ARE FROM AN OPERATIONS POINT OF VIEW AND WHAT WE'RE DOING GOING FORWARD.

SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I HOPE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WALK ON UP THERE.

I'M GONNA START THIS, WE HAVE A SERIES OF, WE SHOULD HAVE A SERIES OF SLIDES HERE, SO THAT WILL BE GOOD.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS AN UPDATE AND, UM, AND IT'S TIME TO DO THAT.

WE TRY TO DO THIS ON A FAIRLY FREQUENT BASIS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE KEEP OUR CITIES INFORMED ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH DART.

BUT I'LL HIT THE LEGISLATIVE SUMMARY, THEN NADINE WILL TALK ABOUT POINT B, WHICH IS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

IT'S BASICALLY THE HEART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THEN SOME, UH, UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED CURRENTLY.

SO I'LL HIT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND AS EVERYONE HERE KNOWS, THIS HAS BEEN AN ITEM OF, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE TO DART OUR STAFF.

UM, AND THE BOARD SINCE, UH, SINCE THE END OF 2023, REALLY, WHEN, WHEN, DURING THE LAST SESSION, THE CITIES ASKED US TO GIVE A REPORT ON HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY, WHAT THE VALUE IS TO THE CITIES.

AND SO WE HAD TAKEN A COUPLE OF RUNS AT THAT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND DECIDED ULTIMATELY THAT WE NEEDED TO DO AN ERNST AND YOUNG STUDY, WHICH I'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, TO, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A ACCURATE COST ALLOCATION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY, SO MONEY WITH THE CITIES AND WHAT, AND, UH, WHAT THEY WERE GIVING BACK TO US AND SALES TAX.

AND EACH OF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, OF COURSE.

SO THE, THE BILL WOULD HAVE REDUCED, UH, 25% OF OUR REVENUE, BASICALLY THE SALES TAX REVENUE, AND IT WOULD'VE GONE BACK TO THE CITIES FOR, UM, USES SPECIFICALLY AROUND TRANSPORTATION AND USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY OUR ENABLING LEGISLATION 4 52.

THE ISSUE WITH HOUSE BILL 31 87 IS THAT IT CREATED A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIT FOR THE ORGANIZATION.

AND IT, WE'VE BUILT A, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 600 SQUARE MILES OF REAL ESTATE THAT WE SERVE, UH, CITY 13 ACROSS 13 CITIES, AND WE HAVE BUILT A VERY LARGE CITY BASED ON VERY LARGE SERVICE, BASED ON 1% SALES TAX.

TAKING AWAY A QUARTER OF THAT SALES TAX WOULD'VE BEEN DEVASTATING FOR THE, UH, REGION, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, AND FOR DART.

AND WHEN I SAY FOR THE REGION, I'M TALKING THE CITIES BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE CUT SEVERAL OF OUR SERVICES DRAMATICALLY.

HOWEVER, THAT DID NOT MATERIALIZE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S STILL NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE AND WE, WE WILL WORK WITH OUR CITIES TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME RESOLUTION TO, IN REGARDING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING.

THERE WAS A SECOND BILL, WHICH WAS A GOVERNANCE BILL, AND THAT WAS BASICALLY THE, AS AS NADINE, MYSELF AND MARK ENOCH TALKED TO ALL OF THE 13 CITIES.

WE MADE 36 MEETINGS ACROSS THE REGION FROM OCTOBER OF 2025 UNTIL JANUARY OF 2026, AND BASICALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR ISSUES WERE AND WHERE WE, WHERE THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE US TO GO.

NOT ALL THE CITIES WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

MATTER OF FACT, THERE WERE SEVEN CITIES THAT WERE NOT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS POSITIVE.

NONETHELESS, WE HAD SOME CITIES THAT WERE CONCERNED.

BUT THE GOVERNANCE PART WAS IMPORTANT

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TO THEM BECAUSE IT SAID A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, SOME OF THE CITIES WANTED TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND FELT MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

AND THE OTHER ELEMENT WAS DART HAS, IS MADE UP OF A BOARD OF, OF MEMBERS THAT HAVE, UH, A MAJORITY OF THOSE MEMBERS, A MAJORITY OF BY ONE OF DALLAS, UH, THE LARGEST CITY OF DALLAS REPRESENTATIVES.

AND THEY WANTED TO TRY TO EQUALIZE THAT.

AND SO THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER THAT WOULD'VE GIVEN ALL OF THE CITIES ONE VOTE.

SO WHETHER YOU ARE A, AN ADDISON OR A DALLAS, OR LET ME SAY ADDISON GARLAND, PLANO, IRVING, EACH OF THE CITIES, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR SIZE WOULD'VE HAD ONE VOTE, DALLAS WOULD'VE HAD ONE PERSON WITH THREE VOTES TO TRY TO MAKE, TO TRY TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE UP.

NOW, DALLAS HAS BASICALLY 50% OF THE REVENUE GENERATED, UH, BY DART IN SALES TAX AND ALSO 50% OF THE POPULATION.

SO THERE WAS SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT BILL AND IT, IT, IT WASN'T HEARD.

NOW WE'LL TALK THOUGH ABOUT THAT BILL OR ABOUT THAT IN ISSUE AND WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT MAY GO.

AND THEN DURING ALL THAT PROCESS, THE BOARD PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION, WHICH WAS REALLY TO MAKE A LOCAL COMMITMENT TO D OR TO OUR, OUR MEMBER CITIES TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AT HOME VERSUS IN AUSTIN.

AND, UM, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THE CITIES ON THAT.

SOME CITIES THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GOOD.

OTHERS SAID, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT OUR, OUR LEGISLATION.

WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT, UH, WITH THAT RESOLUTION IN TERMS OF TAKING ACTION, UH, SPECIFICALLY.

BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT RESOLUTION THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WERE IMPORTANT.

BUT FIRST, LET ME GO INTO THE GOVERNANCE PIECE.

THE, UH, I, I, I DESCRIBED WHAT THE BILL WAS TO DO.

THE, UH, NADINE HAS PUT TOGETHER A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 13 CITY MANAGERS, WHICH IS REALLY VERY HELPFUL.

AND, UH, I'LL MOVE ON TO THAT.

AND, AND, AND WHAT THAT IS INTENDED TO DO IS GIVE THE CITY MANAGERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON ISSUES THAT DART MAY HAVE.

AND SO THEY TOOK UP THE QUESTION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE CITY MANAGERS, TOOK UP THE QUESTION OF GOVERNANCE.

AND TO THE MANAGERS, IT WAS KIND OF HARD.

I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE BOARD MAKEUP WERE, UH, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THEY'RE THERE LIKE DON TO SERVE THE CITY.

AND, AND IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE OF HOW DO WE DO THAT GOVERNANCE THING? SO WE SORT OF, THEY SORT OF PUT A, PUT A HOLD ON IT.

SOME OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT DOING REQUIRED, UH, UH, A CHANGE IN 4 52, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN LEGISLATIVE ACTION IN AUSTIN.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO AUSTIN TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS .

BUT, UH, THEY CAME UP WITH SOME IDEAS WHICH THE BOARD HAD, HAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE RE UNDER 4 52, THERE'S A LIMIT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT CHANGING THE WAY OUR, OUR, OUR ADULT CAN OPERATE WITHOUT GETTING LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL.

SO WHAT WE'VE SUGGESTED, AND WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO DURING THIS PROCESS OF REAPPOINTMENT OF BOARD MEMBERS, UH, THE WAY THAT WORKS IS THE CITIES, UM, ARE DIVIDED UP BASED ON POPULATION.

AND EVERY BOARD MEMBER REPRESENTS, I BELIEVE IT'S 36,000 CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THERE ARE CERTAIN BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE ONE OR TWO OR FOUR CITIES THAT THEY REPRESENT, AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, THE DALLAS BOARD MEMBERS, PLANO BOARD MEMBER, THEY, UH, REPRESENT, HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FOR EACH OF THOSE NUMBERS.

SO THAT'S WHY DALLAS HAS MORE BOARD MEMBERS THAN ANY OTHER CITY.

BUT WE WANNA TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE CITIES FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY ARE HEARD AND HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND ALSO BE FAIR TO ALL THE CITIES.

SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TTI, THE, UH, UH, IT'S A TRANSPORTATION THINK TANK DOWN IN COLLEGE STATION, WHICH, UH, WILL GIVE US AN ANALYSIS OF THE 13, EVERY, EVERY SIX YEARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THIS YEAR WE WOULD LIKE THE CITIES TO TAKE THE LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THAT AND DECIDE WHICH CITY'S BEST FIT WITH EACH OTHER TO SHARE A SEAT.

IT WAS DONE JUST BASED ON NUMBERS AND RECOMMENDATION

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YEARS AGO ON HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

AND WE WOULD LIKE THE CITIES TO BECOME MORE INVOLVED IN IT, DECIDE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME TOGETHER, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE TOGETHER AS A, WITH A SINGLE BOARD MEMBER, WHICH, WHICH IS OUR ONLY OPTION WITH 4 52, AND THEN COME UP WITH A ROTATION FOR BOARD MEMBERS OR SOME WAY TO DO IT SO THAT ALL THE CITIES VOTE ON AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A BOARD MEMBER THAT REPRESENTS 'EM.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'LL WORK WITH EACH OF THE, WITH THE GROUP OF CITIES ON, BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE THE CITY'S CALL, YOUR CALL AS OPPOSED TO THE DART BOARD.

SO THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

UM, THE PROJECT, WHICH WAS BRIEFED HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT DON TALKED ABOUT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF THE MANAGERS AND NADINE, THEY PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS.

I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, TO GET IT DONE.

THE BOARD HAS ALREADY APPROVED IT.

NOW WE'RE DART IS WORKING WITH THE CITIES ON PUTTING TOGETHER AN ILA TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND HAVE THAT DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

CAN BE DONE SOONER SURELY.

BUT AS, AS CITIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE SHARE SALES TAX GROWTH.

AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DO ON TIF DISTRICTS.

THIS IS DONE WITH SALES TAX AND IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND IT CAME TO US, THE CITY MANAGER OF, OF, UH, IRVING, WHO HAD THE IDEA AND, UH, HAS SOLD US ON IT.

AND WE THINK IT'S A GREAT INITIATIVE FOR US AS WELL.

NOW WE HAVE THAT RESOLUTION THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU, AND I'LL JUST POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'RE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT 'EM A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN ON THE TOURS PART.

SO THAT WAS, THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETED.

WE HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY, UH, FOR A BUDGET VOTE ON OUR AGENDA TOMORROW.

AND, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THAT OR NOT.

AND THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THAT, JUST LIKE THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING.

WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT A WAY TO UPDATE THE COST ALLOCATION WORK THAT WAS DONE EARLIER, SO THAT IT INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST DEPRECIATION VALUE OF WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, BUT IT LOOKS AT DOLLARS THAT WE'VE SPENT ON, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S NO SILVER LINE ON THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE THAT, UH, MADE THAT 25% LEGISLATIVE ACTION COME FORWARD.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEASURING EVERYTHING THAT DART DOES.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MEASURE THE ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT BENEFIT.

AND THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT, UH, THAT THE CONSULTANT FELLOWS LEFT OUT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO RE-LOOK AT.

SO WE HAVE AN, WE HAVE THAT RESOLUTION NOW, THE BOARD IS GOING THROUGH AN EVALUATION OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT, IF ANYTHING, AND WE ARE TRYING TO PICK THE BEST THINGS THAT WE CAN PULL OUT OF IT AND ENACT THOSE RIGHT NOW.

UH, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH NADINE WILL TALK ABOUT.

THE FIRST ONE IN RICHARDSON IS WEDNESDAY.

THERE'S ONE IN IRVING TONIGHT WHERE WE'VE ASKED THE PUBLIC, THE WRITERS TO COME TALK TO US.

WE'LL PRESENT TO THEM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE IN TERMS OF REDUCING SERVICE TO FIND MONEY FOR A, FOR THE CITIES.

UH, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.

THIS, THE BOARD WON'T MAKE A DECISION ON THAT IMMEDIATELY.

WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FIRST.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE BASED ON RESOLUTION AND THE ISSUES THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW.

AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO NADINE.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

I'M REALLY DELIGHTED TO BE HERE.

UM, I FEEL LIKE I WAS JUST HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHICH I PROBABLY WAS.

BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA FIRST START OUT BY THANKING THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU PROVIDED TO DART, UM, THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, PARTICULARLY COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN WHO BURNED THE MID MIDNIGHT OIL, LITERALLY, UH, WHEN WE WERE UP FOR HEARING AT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I COULD SAY ENOUGH, UH, WHAT THAT MEANT TO DART THAT YOU ALL WERE BEHIND US AND THAT YOU WERE SUPPORTING US THE WHOLE WAY.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS, UM, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE JUST BEEN SUCH TREMENDOUS, UH, TREMENDOUS ADVOCATES FOR US, AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THE SESSION WITHOUT YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT SUPPORT.

UM, I WANT TO, UH, BUILD OFF OF WHAT CHAIR SLAGEL TALKED ABOUT.

UM, AND I WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, AS IT RELATES TO OUR POINT B STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND, UM, I KNOW THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE POINT B STRATEGIC PLAN EVERY SINGLE TIME WE COME HERE, BUT

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THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE TRYING TO LEVERAGE DART FOR EACH OF OUR MEMBER CITIES.

WE WANT DART TO BE A TRUE STRATEGIC ECONOMIC AND MOBILITY ASSET.

AND SO, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS, UM, POINT B STRATEGIC PLAN.

IT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD LAST YEAR.

AND, UM, AND WE'RE REALLY EXECUTING ON THE GOALS AND THE ACTIONS AND INITIATIVES THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

UM, MUCH LIKE RICHARDSON HAS YOUR MASTER PLAN, YOUR CITY'S MASTER PLAN, AND, AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN EXECUTING ON THE VARIOUS MASTER PLANS OVER THE HISTORY, AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE HERE TO SHOW, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU INVESTED IN, UM, ALL OF THOSE CAME FROM THE STRATEGIC THOUGHT THAT YOU PUT INTO, UM, YOUR MASTER PLAN.

AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN EXECUTING ACCORDING TO PLAN.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE SAME.

POINT B IS OUR PLAN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXECUTE SO THAT WE CAN REALIZE EVERY, EVERY DREAM AND WISH THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR CITIES, UM, OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.

AND SO, UM, I WANNA KIND OF CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO OUR NEW MISSION STATEMENT.

IT'S NOW A YEAR OLD.

UM, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR, OUR MISSION STATEMENT, WHICH IS ABOUT CREATING BEST IN CLASS MOBILITY EXPERIENCES, IS THAT THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE WE WANT OUR PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES TO FLOURISH AND TO CONNECT.

AND SO, UM, IT'S JUST ALWAYS SUCH A GOOD REMINDER FOR US TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE WROTE AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN, IN THIS CONTEXT.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT CITY SERVICES, UM, BECAUSE AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS PRESENTATION AND LOOKING AT THE MAP, AND I KNOW IT'S QUITE SMALL, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE BLUE LINES ON THE MAP, UM, RICHARDSON HAS, UH, A GRID SYSTEM THAT IS VERY CONDUCIVE TO GREAT BUS SERVICE.

AND SO YOU ALL HAVE, UM, REALLY IN, IN WORKING WITH, WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF REALLY GREAT CONNECTING SERVICE ACROSS THE CITY, BOTH NORTH SOUTH AND EAST WEST.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE, UM, KIND OF THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT, ALONG US 75, YOU HAVE THE RAIL CORRIDOR, THE LIGHT RAIL CORRIDOR.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA BE OPENING THE SILVER LINE SOON, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT HERE, UH, PRETTY SOON, UM, WITHIN THE PRESENTATION.

BUT WE HAVE, UM, ROUTES 2 38 AND TWO 50 ARE THE TOP PERFORMERS WITH OUR HIGHEST RATE RIDERSHIP GAINS IN THE MONTH OF APRIL COMPARED TO APRIL OF LAST YEAR.

AND WE HAVE STRONG GROWTH OVERALL COMPARED TO, UH, OUR 200, OUR 200 SERIES ROUTES IN GENERAL, UM, ACROSS OUR SERVICE AREA.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND JUST HOW IMPORTANT BUS SERVICE HAS BEEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY LIVE IN RICHARDSON, BUT ALSO TRAVEL TO RICHARDSON FROM OTHER LOCATIONS OR, UH, LIVE IN RICHARDSON AND ARE TRAVELING TO OTHER LOCATIONS FOR WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, WE'RE PROUD OF THAT.

WE'RE PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON BECAUSE WE THINK THAT RICHARDSON IS A, A GREAT, UM, TEST BED FOR A LOT OF, UH, UH, SERVICES AND TO SEE HOW PEOPLE REALLY CAN USE TRANSIT WHEN YOU PROVIDE ENOUGH OF IT.

THE EAST TELECOM GOLINK SERVICE, UM, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.

UH, I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF I'VE SHOWN YOU ALL HEAT MAPS OF GOLINK SERVICE IN THE PAST.

UM, I KNOW I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES, BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, UM, FOR THE GOLINK, UH, THE, THE MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE, YOU'LL SEE THE BIG RED.IN THE UPPER LEFT, WHICH IS THE CITY LINE BUSH STATION, UM, WHERE IT'S RED OR ORANGE OR YELLOW.

UM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT MORE ACTIVITY GOING ON.

AND THEN YOU SEE SOME SPOTS, SOME GREEN SPOTS IN THERE THAT ARE DARKER OR LIGHTER.

UM, AND THE GREEN KIND OF DOTS, UM, ARE SHOWING OTHER AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING THE GO LINK SERVICE.

AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DEMONSTRATE HERE IS THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF DESTINATIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE USING OUR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE, BUT THERE'S A HUGE CONCENTRATION OF MICRO TRANSIT USE CONNECTING TO AND GOING FROM, UH, THE CITY LINE, BUSH STATE STATION.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW PEOPLE ARE USING MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE.

AND IT, IT IS REALLY FOR THAT FIRST LAST MILE CONNECTION BECAUSE WHOEVER'S USING GOLINK IS PROBABLY GOING FROM ANY ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS, UM, OR TO ANY ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS, BUT MAY BE TAKING LIGHT RAIL AS SOME PART OF THEIR TRIP.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME, UH, SOME IMPORTANT DESTINATIONS, OBVIOUSLY SOME BUSINESS PARKS.

UM, WE HAVE A GROCERY STORE IN THERE.

UM, THERE'S A MEDICAL FACILITY.

SO THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF SERVICES AND, AND EMPLOYMENT CENTERS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO, AND AGAIN, CONNECTING THROUGH THE, THE CITY LINE BUSH STATION.

AS FAR AS RIDERSHIP TRENDS ARE CONCERNED IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE SECTION OF, UM, OF THIS CHART HERE, AND THEN MOVING TO THE RIGHT, PRETTY EVEN.

UM, WE'RE SEEING THAT RIDERSHIP GROWTH IS STARTING TO LEVEL OFF IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

UM, IT'S NOT LEVELING EVERYWHERE, BUT, UM, SOME PLACES HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GROWTH, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS GROWTH, BUT WE'RE STILL GROWING JUST NOT AT THE SAME PACE THAT WE WERE AS WE CAME OUT OF THE PANDEMIC.

UM, YOU

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CAN SEE HERE, UM, IN THE YELLOW THAT, UH, THAT IS OUR BUS RIDERSHIP COMPARED TO THE RED, WHICH IS THE LIGHT RAIL RIDERSHIP.

SO THE PREDOMINANT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT, OR THAT DART, UH, PROVIDES HERE IN RICHARDSON IS ACTUALLY ON THE BUS SIDE, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY IS JUST, UM, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

IF YOU PROVIDE A LOT MORE BUS SERVICE, PEOPLE WILL USE IT.

UM, AND BUS IS A GREAT, UH, MODE BECAUSE IT DOES ACTUALLY CONNECT PEOPLE TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS.

THIS, UH, THIS AGAIN, IS AN EYE CHART, BUT, UM, I, I LOVE SHOWING THIS CHART BECAUSE IT HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AND WHERE THEY'RE, UM, WHERE, WHERE THE PREDOMINANT DESTINATIONS ARE ON, UH, DART, UH, SERVICES, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER COMING OR GOING FROM RICHARDSON.

UM, IF YOU LOOK IN THE, UH, VERTICAL GREEN LINE TOWARDS THE RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THERE'S ABOUT, I CAN'T READ IT FROM HERE, BUT IT, AND I CAN'T EVEN READ IT ON MY OWN CHART HERE, BUT IT'S ABOUT 50, OVER 53% OF, UM, WRITERS IN RICHARDSON ARE GOING TO DALLAS.

UM, AND SO WE TALK A LOT ABOUT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING TRANSIT ARE NOT JUST STAYING WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN ONLY JUST GOING TO GARLAND OR PLANO.

THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY GOING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UM, THERE'S ABOUT, UM, UH, SO IT'S SEVEN AND 10% GOING TO GARLAND AND PLANO.

UM, 24% OF THE TRIPS REMAIN WITHIN RICHARDSON, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT NUMBER BECAUSE IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE AMOUNT OF TRANSIT YOU HAVE HERE IN, IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

UM, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING SERVICES.

BUT AS, AS CHAIR SLAGEL MENTIONED, WE ARE CONDUCTING, STARTING TONIGHT A SERIES OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL SERVICE CHANGES.

UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF DRIVERS TO THE SERVICE CHANGES THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, CHAIR SCHLAGEL MENTIONED THE GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE 5%, UH, OF OUR SALES TAX REVENUE.

UH, THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS, UM, KIND OF, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE GEOGRAPHIC EQUITY, UH, QUESTION THAT THE EY STUDY PRESENTED TO US.

UM, THERE ARE ALSO NEW SERVICE REQUESTS FROM, UH, A NUMBER OF THE CITIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE DOLLARS FOR.

AND THEN, UM, THE SILVER LINE IS ACTUALLY OPENING EARLIER THAN WE PROJECTED.

UM, AND SO THERE'S A COST TO THE ADDITIONAL MONTHS OF SERVICE THAT WE WOULD BE OPERATING ON THE SILVER LINE.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS THAT EVERY CITY AND GOVERNMENT DEAL WITH, WHICH ARE THE INCREASING, UH, INFLATIONARY COST PRESSURES THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCE ON ANY, ANY NUMBER OF OUR SERVICES.

AND SO WE HAVE 16 COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THE CALENDAR.

THE FIRST ONE IN RICHARDSON, OR THE ONE IN RICHARDSON, I SHOULD SAY, IS ON WEDNESDAY.

IT'LL BE HELD RIGHT HERE IN CITY HALL.

UM, AND SO WE ARE REALLY ASKING THE PUBLIC TO COME AND TELL US WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE SO THAT STAFF CAN COBBLE TOGETHER A, A RECOMMENDATION, UM, AS IT RELATES TO OUR BUDGET SO THAT THE BOARD CAN GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR FY 26 BUDGET.

SO I'M GONNA PIVOT TO SOME INITIATIVES, SOME MAJOR INITIATIVES.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE, UM, THESE ARE INVESTMENTS, RIGHT? THESE ARE LONG, LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE TO REALLY CONTINUE ON THAT PATH TO BECOME A REAL ASSET FOR ALL OF OUR CITIES.

AND SO THE FIRST KIND OF BIG ONE THAT WE HAVE IS CALLED THE DART TRANSFORM PROGRAM.

THIS IS OUR SYSTEM MODERNIZATION PROGRAM.

UM, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, ADDRESS STATE OF GOOD REPAIR.

UM, SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS, I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT RECAPITALIZATION AND REHABILITATION OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO, UM, YOU MAY KNOW THAT OUR OLDEST SLIGHT RAIL LINE IS REACHING 30 YEARS, WHICH MEANS THAT OUR OLDEST SLIGHT RAIL VEHICLES ARE ALSO 30 YEARS OLD.

UM, OUR BUS VEHICLES ARE ABOUT, UM, THEY'RE ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT.

AND, UM, BUSES AND RAIL VEHICLES HAVE DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT USEFUL LIFE BUSES USUALLY LAST 12 TO 15 YEARS.

UM, A LOT OF AGENCIES, UH, KEEP THEM GOING TILL ABOUT 18 YEARS.

NOT A GOOD IDEA.

UM, RAIL VEHICLES USUALLY HAVE A 25 TO 30 YEAR LIFESPAN.

AND SO WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING TO, UM, IMPROVE OUR, UH, OUR ROLLING STOCK OR OUR FLEET.

AND, UM, AND ALONG WITH THAT COMES SOME UPDATES TO OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITIES, OUR PLATFORMS. UM, WE WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MODERNIZE OUR SIGNAL SYSTEM ON THE LIGHT RAIL SIDE AND UNIFY IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE ON, ON ALL FOUR LINES.

UM, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, RESILIENCY FOR, UH, SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS.

AND SO I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ICE AND ICE STORMS, I'M TALKING ABOUT HEAT, UH, EXCESSIVE HEAT.

IF YOU CAN IMAGINE.

UH, RAIL IS MADE OUT OF STEEL, AND SO, UM, STEEL, OF COURSE, ANY METAL EXPANDS AND CONTRACTS WITH THE WEATHER.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNDER ANY, ANY TYPES OF WEATHER CONDITIONS.

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I MENTIONED THE FLEET.

UH, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE 476 BUSES ALREADY ON ORDER.

THE FIRST OF THEM WILL START TO BE DELIVERED, UH, NEXT YEAR.

UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THEM IN, IN ANTICIPATION OF THE WORLD CUP GAMES THAT ARE COMING IN THE JUNE, JULY TIMEFRAME NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN, UM, PROBABLY, UH, LATER THIS YEAR, WE'RE GONNA BE ISSUING AN RFP TO PROCURE OUR NEWEST LIGHT RAIL VEHICLES.

AND SO THOSE WOULD BE DELIVERED IN ABOUT, I THINK, THE 2028 TIMEFRAME.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND JUST A LITTLE PREVIEW, UH, WE WILL BE HAVING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THE INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE VEHICLES SO THAT WE CAN GET PUBLIC INPUT ON, ON WHAT MAKES THEM EXCITED ABOUT THE INSIDE OF THE VEHICLES IN TERMS OF VIEW PLANES AND, AND JUST COMFORT, SECURITY PLACES TO PUT THEIR THINGS.

UM, WE JUST REALLY WANNA GET THEIR INPUT ON THAT.

ANOTHER BIG INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS THE CORRIDOR OPTIMIZATION AND RIDER EXPERIENCE PROGRAM.

THIS IS REALLY A PROGRAM FOCUSED ON THE BUS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY PEOPLE DON'T PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, WHERE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC PARTNERS WITH US AND REALLY EXPERIMENTING WITH WAYS THAT WE CAN OPTIMIZE OUR BUS SYSTEM AND SPEED UP THE BUSES THROUGH THE STREETS IN RICHARDSON.

I THINK WE'RE REALLY, REALLY, UH, REALLY ENGAGED AND INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER TO, UM, TO MAKE THE BUS RIDER EXPERIENCE THE BEST IT CAN BE.

UM, THIS PROGRAM HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO IT.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, OF COURSE, IT'S VERY SMALL.

YOU PROBABLY CAN'T READ IT, BUT , UM, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE PRESENTATION WITH YOU IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE IT IN HARD COPY.

BUT, UM, THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE UNDER THE CORE PROGRAM ARE THINGS LIKE TRANSIT SIGNAL, PRIORITY QUEUE JUMPS, OR SPECIAL BUS LANES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE NOT EVERYWHERE.

UM, BUT ALSO WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WAITING EXPERIENCE.

AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUS STOPS AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT OUR RIDERS HAVE AT OUR BUS STOPS.

UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUS STOP, IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A POLE IN THE GRASSY LAWN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB, BUT WE WANNA ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THERE'S A, A CONCRETE PAD THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S NOT STANDING OUT THERE IN WET GRASS OR SOMETIMES MUD.

UM, IT ALSO INVOLVES LOOKING AT OUR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO ALL OF OUR BUS FACILITIES, BUS STOPS, AND OUR, OUR STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE GOOD ACCESS, AND SO WE WANNA WORK WITH THE CITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE IMPROVE THE ACCESS TO AND AROUND OUR BUS STOPS.

GETTING ONTO SILVER LINE.

UM, OF COURSE, YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SILVER LINE, 26 MILE CORRIDOR, 10 STATIONS, UH, SEVEN CITIES.

UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SILVER LINE.

UM, HERE'S A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE.

UM, WE HAVE OVER 90 PER 95% OF THE GUIDEWAY CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES ALREADY COMPLETE.

AND, UM, IN APRIL WE STARTED CONNECTING, OR WE GOT, UH, WE FINISHED CONNECTING ALL OF THE TRACK FROM END TO END.

SO WE NOW HAVE A FULL 26 MILE, UH, CORRIDOR, UH, THAT'S OPERATIONAL.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE QUIET ZONES PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.

ALSO, WE EXPECT QUIET ZONES TO GO INTO EFFECT SOMETIME, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH.

AND, UM, LET'S SEE, I LOST MY SPOT.

OKAY, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE TESTING, UM, OUR POSITIVE TRAIN CONTROL SYSTEM AND OUR, UH, STATIONS STATION COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT OVER THE COMING MONTHS.

UM, AND, AND WHAT'S REALLY EXCITING IS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO STAFF UP OUR OPERATORS AND CONDUCTORS TO, UH, REALLY OPERATE THIS SERVICE.

SO, UH, IT TAKES OVER 160 HOURS OF TRAINING, UM, IN THE OPERATOR'S CHAIR TO BE CERTIFIED IN THE RAILROAD.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU SEE TRAINS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THE CORRIDOR, BUT EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WELL, WHEN IS IT GONNA OPEN? UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF MONTHS OF REQUIRED TESTING BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO REVENUE SERVICE.

NOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE ARE GOING TO BE ANNOUNCING THE START DATE.

UM, IT'S ALL PART OF THE, OUR FY 26 BUDGET CONVERSATION AS WELL.

BUT, UM, YOU CAN EXPECT IT TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND THAT'S ABOUT AS SPECIFIC AS I CAN GET RIGHT NOW.

UM, THIS IS THE, OF COURSE, THE, UH, ARCH BRIDGE THAT WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL APPLICATION HERE AND, AND KIND OF AN ART PIECE.

UM, WE ARE TARGETING FALL OF 2026 FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE STRUCTURES HERE.

UM, WE ARE, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE FOUNDATIONS AND COLUMNS OUTSIDE OF THE COLUMN STRUCTURES.

AND TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, WE'LL BE SWITCHING TO NIGHT WORK, UM, THAT REALLY WILL REQUIRE A NUMBER OF LANE CLOSURES THAT ARE COORDINATED WITH TXDOT, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE BUILD THOSE MEDIAN COLUMNS AND FOUNDATIONS.

AND SO WE ANTICIPATE SETTING THE ARCHES IN THE SPRING AND NEXT YEAR, AND WE'LL BE, UH, FINISHING OUT THE TRIM AND LIGHTING, UH, LIGHTING, UH, PACKAGES, UM, PROBABLY NEXT SUMMER.

SO, UM, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A BIG, UM, CELEBRATION WHEN THAT,

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WHEN THAT BRIDGE IS DONE, IN ADDITION TO BUILDING A SILVER LINE PROJECT, WE'RE, UH, CONSTRUCTING, UM, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COGS REGIONAL TRAIL THAT PARALLELS THE SILVER LINE ALIGNMENT.

AND, UM, THE DART BOARD AWARDED THE CONSTRUCTION CO CONTRACT FOR PHASE TWO OF THIS TRAIL EARLIER IN THE SPRING.

UM, THIS PHASE PHASE WILL LARGELY SPAN FROM ADDISON TO PLANO, AND IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION.

UM, CONSTRUCTION ON THE ALIGNMENT BEGINS THIS WEEK IN RICHARDSON.

SO, UH, LISTED ON THE SCREEN ARE SOME AN ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION DATES FOR THE BRIDGE STRUCTURES.

WE ANTICIPATE THOSE FINISHING UP IN EARLY 2027.

I ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FANTASTIC SPACES.

UM, THIS IS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL.

UM, WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WORK WITH THE CITY ON DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY, ALL OF OUR CITIES.

UM, OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RICHARDSON, BUT RICHARDSON IS ALWAYS THE MODEL, IN MY OPINION.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, THE USE OF SPACE IN THAT MIDDLE PHOTOGRAPH, THAT'S THE LINEAR PARK FROM ABOVE.

UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY THAT WE WERE HERE FOR THE OPENING OF THAT LINEAR PARK.

AND IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SPACE, UM, AND, AND SUCH A WONDERFUL AMENITY FOR THE CITY.

UM, AND WE WERE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE CITY, UH, TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I ALWAYS SAY RICHARDSON'S SUCH A MODEL, .

UM, SO THE TOP PHOTOS HERE ARE, ARE ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN RICHARDSON, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTED AS PART OF OUR, UM, TOD PORTFOLIO ALONG WITH THE CITY.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE THE OTHER TWO THAT ARE COMING AT ARAPAHOE CENTER AND, AND UT DALLAS.

UM, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING TO SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY GET INTERESTED PARTIES HERE TO, UM, TO MAKE BETTER USE OF THE SPACE, BECAUSE PARKING LOTS ARE GREAT, BUT, UM, BUT GREAT DEVELOPMENT'S EVEN BETTER.

UM, WE MENTIONED EARLIER THE TURS, UH, TURS ILA THAT'S COMING YOUR WAY.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MAP OF, UM, A PROPERTY TAX TURS THAT CURRENTLY COVERS ALMOST 900 ACRES.

UM, AND WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON A SALES TAX THAT COULD ACTUALLY ACTIVATE THE SPACE, UM, AND MAYBE, UH, HAVE IT COME ONLINE EVEN FASTER.

WE'RE HOPING.

SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY OF RICHARDSON TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING EXCITING HAPPENS AT THE ARAPAHOE PARK AND RIDE.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO US.

UM, AGAIN, I, I'VE SAID THIS A MILLION TIMES ALREADY, BUT CITY OF RICHARDSON HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT PARTNER WITH DART.

UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU FEEL THAT, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND YOUR CITY, THAT, THAT THE, IN THE, THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE MADE WITH US, UM, TO MAKE DAR GREAT AND TO MAKE YOUR CITY GREAT THAT IT'S PAYING OFF.

UM, WE HAVE, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE WORKING ON THE CITY AREA PLANS.

IF YOU, EXCUSE ME, YOU MAY RECALL IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE AREA PLANS WAS WORKING WITH THE CITIES TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT, UH, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO MAXIMIZE AND, AND ELEVATE TRANSIT TO BE A CAPACITY ADD TO YOUR CITY STREETS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, CITY AREA PLAN IS, IS REALLY LOOKING WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE INCREASE MOBILITY ON TRANSIT WITHIN THE CITY.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, INCREASING THE THROUGHPUT FOR PEOPLE MOVEMENT, UM, ON YOUR CITY STREETS, MAKING TRANSIT A LOT MORE EASY TO USE AND A LOT MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY.

AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE HELPING RELIEVE OR ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONGESTION THAT YOU ALL WILL BE FACING AS WE ALL CONTINUE TO GROW IN POPULATION.

SO, UM, WE'RE EXCITED.

WE'RE, UM, OUR LAST, UH, REVIEW ON, ON THE RICHARDSON AREA PLAN WAS IN MAY.

AND SO WE'RE EXCITED TO START, UM, SEEING WHAT WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO FUTURE, FUTURE INVESTMENTS SO THAT WE CAN START TO EXECUTE ON THOSE WISHES, UM, THAT WE WORKED ON WITH THE CITY.

AND SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE, UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS MIGHT TURN IN.

OH, YES, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, , THERE WAS A LIGHT ON, BUT IT WASN'T FOR THAT MAYOR.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT IT.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

MS. LEE AND, AND MAYOR SLAGEL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

A A GREAT PRESENTATION FOR CERTAIN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN.

THAT IS, THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER, AS I MENTIONED, TO HELP CITIES.

NADINE, GARY, THANK YOU FOR AN INVIGORATING PRESENTATION.

AND, AND, AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN ON THE SILVER LIGHT.

MOVING THAT UP IS, I KNOW INSTRUMENTAL AND, AND I'M SURE VERY WELCOMING, WELCOMING, UM, MR. SLAGEL, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

I JUST WONDER, JUST FOR THE VIEWERS, COULD YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE TIRZ AND THE ILA, HOW THAT WORKS TOGETHER? SO, UH, TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF CLARITY? YEAH.

UM,

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UM, MAYBE YOU, MAYBE WE COULD COME TOGETHER WITH AN AT HOME, SO TO SPEAK, AGREEMENT.

AND, UM, WE HAD AT THE TIME THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, OR, OR THE RTC AGREEING TO HELP US FUND THE OFFSET WHEN IF WE TOOK IN OTHER, OUR, OUR IDEA WHEN WE CREATED THAT ILA WAS NOT TO, IN FACT, OR THAT RESOLUTION, WAS NOT TO, UM, CUT SERVICE.

IT WAS CONTINUED SERVICE, BUT FIND MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FUNDS BACK TO THE CITIES.

THOSE WHO WERE DONORS BASED ON THE STON YOUNG STUDY.

THE RTC WAS WILLING TO DO THAT UNTIL DURING OUR NEGOTIATION THAT WE HAD, UH, WITH THE CITIES THAT THEY SORT OF MANAGED THE, THE RELATIONSHIP OR THE, THE, THAT THAT WORK.

WE, WE CONCLUDED, WE WERE TOLD BY THE CITIES WHO WERE ON THE SIDE OF, WE, WE WANNA SUPPORT THE BILL, THAT THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE BILL THAN ANYTHING WE HAD TO OFFER.

SO IT SORT OF LEFT US WITH THAT.

AND MICHAEL, THEN THE RTC PERSON SAYING, UH, THERE'S NO MONEY TO SUPPORT YOU IF YOU, IF, IF, IF YOU CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITIES, THEN IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR ME TO GO TO THE RTC AND ASK FOR MONEY TO FILL THE GAP.

SO WE ARE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE STUDIES.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, ARE DOING THE, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SERVICE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DELIVER WHAT THE CUTS WOULD NEED TO BE TO MAKE THAT 5% WORK.

AND IT'S A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE.

AND, UH, NOT A, NOT SOMETHING WE HAD IN MIND WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID THAT RESOLUTION, BUT NOW WE, WHERE WE ARE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE INDEPENDENT OF THAT.

WE'RE STILL DOING THE TOURS, UM, OPPORTUNITY, WHICH IS A WAY TO TAKE MONEY, FUTURE MONEY, EARN MONEY GENERATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN, AND RETURN THAT TO THE CITY.

SO THAT HELPS FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE QUITE A BIT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE RESOLUTION HAD SAID.

SO WE ARE, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH OUR, WITH THE DART BOARD, AS NADINE SAID, WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS BECAUSE WE NEED A BUDGET FOR 2026.

OH, YEAH.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL BEING WORKED RIGHT NOW.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BELIEVE ME.

I, IT'S, IT'S AN INVALUABLE, UH, COMMODITY THAT WE NEED AND HAVE TO HAVE FOR OUR CITY.

SO THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER BARRIOS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, CHAIRMAN SEGEL.

NADINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION FOR VISITING US, VISITING US.

AGAIN, I KNOW SOMETHING I'VE SAID, AND I KNOW I'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE DIOCESE SAY AS WELL, IS THAT ONE THING SAY ABOUT DART IS WHEN WE HAVE BROUGHT THINGS TO YOUR ATTENTION OR HAD QUESTIONS, YOU'VE BEEN JOHNNY ON THE SPOT, YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS OR WORK WITH US.

SO WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP.

QUICK SHOUT OUT, I KNOW IT WAS A, I DON'T KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO AGO, I VISITED A, UH, BIKE RADIO.

THE CITY WAS HELPING SPONSOR HERE IN TOWN, UM, AT OVER AT HEIGHTS PARK, AND YOU DART HAD A NICE TENT, UH, OVER THERE AND YOU HAD A DART EMPLOYEE THERE PROVIDE INFORMATION.

SO WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT THERE WAS A GREAT TURNOUT AND Y'ALL WERE A PART OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

UH, ONE QUESTION.

UM, I KNOW I'VE ASKED THIS IN THE PAST, SO ASKING AGAIN, UM, I KNOW, I THINK TWO VISITS AGO I ASKED ABOUT CLEANLINESS ON DART.

I KNOW Y'ALL WERE ROLLING OUT SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THE SEATS.

AND BY THE WAY, GREAT CHANGE ON THAT.

I'VE, UH, RIDDEN, UM, A FEW TIMES SINCE THEN, AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCE YOU GUYS HAVE MADE THERE AND THE POSITIVE CHANGE THERE.

ANY MOVEMENT FORWARD TOWARDS SOME OF THE STATIONS AROUND SAFETY? UH, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE WORKING ON SOME STUFF INCREASING, I BELIEVE OFFICERS ON TRAINS, UH, LAST TIME WE SPOKE.

CAN YOU SPEAK TOWARDS KIND OF SAFETY AROUND SOME OF THE STATIONS AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IN THAT REGARD, UH, AND WHAT'S MIGHT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON NOW? YEAH, SO, UM, I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER LIKE WHEN IT WAS THAT I ACTUALLY CAME TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A CRAZY SIX MONTHS.

UM, SO, UM, SAFETY, SECURITY, UM, I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SECURITY, UM, JUST TO DISTINGUISH SECURITY FROM OP OPERATIONAL SAFETY.

SO, UM, SECURITY ON THE SYSTEM.

AS YOU MAY RECALL,

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WE ADDED A HUNDRED TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS TO OUR SYSTEM.

THEY ARE CONTRACTED, THEY ARE ARMED.

UM, AND THEY, UH, KIND OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THEY PATROL THE STATIONS AND THEY PATROL THE, UH, LIGHT RAIL VEHICLES AND, AND CERTAINLY THE BUSES AS WELL.

AND OUR BUS TRANSFER CENTERS.

SO, UH, A HUNDRED OFFICERS IN ADDITION TO OUR 200 OR SO, UM, UH, SWORN OFFICERS ON THE DART POLICE FORCE.

AND THEN THE FOUR, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, IT'S AROUND 50, UH, FAIR ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT ALSO CHECK FAIRES AND, AND, UM, AND WALK AROUND AND ENGAGE THE CUSTOMERS.

UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PERSONNEL FOR VISIBLE PRESENCE ON THE SYSTEM.

UM, STILL CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR MULTIDISCIPLINARY RESPONSE TEAMS WHO ARE INTERCEPTING PEOPLE WHO APPEAR TO BE IN COGNITIVE CRISIS AND, UM, MAY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE.

AND SO, UM, OUR RECENT NUMBERS IN TERMS OF SECURITY ARE, UM, ARE CONCERNED.

UM, WE, WE HAVE, UM, WE TYPICALLY, HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD EMERGENCY DETENTION AS OUR NUMBER ONE ARREST CATEGORY.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY NOW I THINK NUMBER THREE ON OUR ARREST CATEGORY, WHICH IS AN IMPROVEMENT.

UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DETAIN PEOPLE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN CRISIS AS MUCH AS WE DID BEFORE.

AND THAT'S DUE TO THE INTERVENTIONS OF THE MULTIDISCIPLINARY RESPONSE TEAM.

I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT OF THOSE TEAMS OUT ON THE SYSTEM ON ANY GIVEN DAY.

SO IT'S, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, BEING PILOTED.

WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE.

UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE, OR LIKE IN THE PILOT YEAR, THE FIRST YEAR OF IT, WE WERE FOCUSED MOSTLY ON THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE OUR RESOURCES WERE COMING FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UM, BUT NOW THAT DALLAS, UM, DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE IS NO LONGER PART OF THAT PROGRAM, UH, WE'RE EXPANDING IT OUT TO THE REST OF THE SYSTEM.

AND SO I THINK WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO SHARE THOSE RESOURCES ACROSS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL PARTNERS ALSO, UM, THOSE WHO ARE IN THE HEALTHCARE COMMUNITY, MENTAL HEALTH, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ENGAGE THEM.

UM, WE HAD PARAMEDICS WORKING WITH US BEFORE, UM, MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS WORKING WITH US BEFORE.

SO, UM, WE'RE, WE WANNA CONTINUE THOSE EFFORTS.

UM, AND I MENTIONED, I KNOW I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE ALSO HAD OUR CLEAN TEAMS THAT WERE WORKING ON OUR SYSTEM AS WELL, CLEANING UP IN REAL TIME.

UM, WE HAVE CONTINUED THAT PROGRAM.

WE ABSORBED THAT INTO OUR REGULAR OPERATIONS BUDGET, AND SO THAT WILL CONTINUE ON, UM, HOPEFULLY FOREVER.

UM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE RESOURCES TO DO THAT.

AND I HAVE NOTICED THAT CLEAN TEAMS AS WELL.

I'VE RUN INTO 'EM A COUPLE TIMES AND GREAT JOB.

THAT IS A REALLY GOOD WAY FOR US TO SOLVE A LOT OF THE SORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPLAINTS THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, US AND OTHER CITIES THAT ARE PART OF DART HAVE HAD.

AND I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU EVER CEASE, YOU KNOW, UH, TRASH CAN THAT APPEARS TO BE OVERFLOWING, PLEASE CALL US RIGHT AWAY.

WE WILL GET SOMEBODY ON IT.

WE TRY TO MAKE SURE WE MONITOR THOSE THINGS, BUT ON OCCASION, WE DO MISS, SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE CALLS.

UH, YOU CAN CALL ME, YOU CAN CALL, UH, MR. SLAGEL, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN ALSO PROVIDE THE, UH, PHONE NUMBER FOR OUR, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE OF WAY FOLKS.

COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

OH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY ADINE THANK YOU FOR FIRST THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR KIND OF COORDINATING EVERYTHING IN AUSTIN AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT FOR NOW.

AND SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I WANNA SAY IT'S JUST BEEN, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE GETTING TO KNOW YOU AND THE REST OF DART STAFF, UH, MAYOR SLAGEL YOU AS WELL.

I MEAN, JUST THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, UM, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING REALLY CRITICAL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE CI CITIES THAT WERE UP THERE ADVOCATING ETTE, GLEN HEIGHTS DALLAS, AND RICHARDSON ADVOCATING, UM, ON BEHALF OF DART RICHARDSON'S, THE ONLY ONE THAT ACCORDING TO THAT MUCH VAUNTED EY STUDY, IS ACTUALLY PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO DART THAN WE'RE TAKING OUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT US BEING DOWN THERE AND ADVOCATING WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE MADE SUCH AN INVESTMENT IN ALL OF OUR DART STATIONS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEFORE YOU KNOW, THIS TOUR PROGRAM, RIGHT? AND WE, I KNOW WE JUST EXPECT TO SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT OUT OF THAT EVEN FAR INTO THE FUTURE THAT WILL REALLY FLIP THOSE NUMBERS, RIGHT.

IN ADDITION, UTD IS JUST SO DEPENDENT ON DART.

SO THIS IS REALLY, I MEAN, FOR A CITY, FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, I MEAN, WHAT Y'ALL PROVIDE AND Y'ALL'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE IT EFFECTIVELY AND, UM, AT A, AT A SORT OF A CONSTANT CLIP OF BUSES AND, AND TRAINS COMING IN IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, UM, JUST FROM AN ECONOMIC VITALITY STANDPOINT.

SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT, ALL THAT SAID, I MEAN, I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT NOW THAT WE'RE PAST IT, RIGHT, WE'RE PAST THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, YOU GUYS KEPT THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS THAT 5% THAT YOU'RE GIVING BACK, UM, I THINK, I KNOW IT'S GONNA CAUSE A, A COUPLE CUTS, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL TO KEEP US FROM HAVING TO GO BACK TO AUSTIN AGAIN.

UM, THE TOURS, I, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THAT'S COMING ON BOARD.

I THINK THAT

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AND SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY MY, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO FOR, FOR THE CITIES THAT DID ISSUE RESOLUTIONS, DO Y'ALL HAVE SORT OF AN ENHANCED COMMUNICATION GAME PLAN WITH THEM? OR WHAT ARE WE GONNA KIND OF DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IN TWO YEARS WE'RE NOT BACK IN THE SAME SITUATION? BECAUSE I LOVE GOING DOWN TO AUSTIN TO DEFEND DART, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF OTHER ANTI CITY BILLS THAT I WOULD'VE RATHER BEEN DOWN THERE SPENDING MY TIME ON.

SO, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST ELABORATE ON ANY OF THAT, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD REALLY HELP.

UH, DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA START GARY? YEAH, LET ME, LET ME DO THAT.

FIRST OF ALL, AS I SAID, THE 5% THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO THAT.

AND, AND NADINE HAS SOME SLIDES THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO THAT TONIGHT, BUT, BUT IT TAKES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SERVICE AWAY.

FROM, AND FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEADWAY TIME, THE HOW QUICKLY IS THAT TRAIN OR THAT BUS GOING TO ARRIVE? YOU KNOW, THE SILVER LINE WOULD RUN ON AN HOUR, UH, IN PEAK TIMES WOULD GO FROM A HALF AN HOUR TO AN HOUR.

SO IT'S A COST.

AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT WORTH THAT TO DO THIS? IS THERE ANOTHER, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE SHOULD BE DOING? WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL MAKE THE SAME ROUND OF MEETINGS AGAIN MM-HMM .

BUT THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED TRANSIT 2.0, WHICH THE RTC IS PAID FOR IN ADVANCING.

AND IN MY OPINION, WHAT THAT ASKS US TO DO IS BUILD A SYSTEM ACROSS BOUNDARIES OF CITIES THAT AREN'T IN DART AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE EVERYBODY, THE WHOLE REGION BE A PART OF IT, AND AT THE SAME TIME, PERHAPS REDUCING SOME MONEY THAT, THAT THE CITIES HAVE TO PAY IN.

NOW THAT MEANS IT MAY TAKE SOME STATE PARTICIPATION.

SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND PROBABLY SIX MONTHS, MAYBE NINE MONTHS OUT.

BUT IF WE CAN'T COME TO SOME RESOLUTION WITH THOSE CITIES, WE WILL BE BACK IN AUSTIN.

AND WE DON'T WANNA BE BACK IN AUSTIN BECAUSE IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO.

OUR POPULATION IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY, AND WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TRANSIT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

SO YEAH, WE'RE WORKING IT, WE'RE WORKING IT HARD, WE'RE WORKING IT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, UH, THE 11TH, WHICH IS THURSDAY, I GUESS MICHAEL MORRIS WILL PRESENT A SORT OF A FIRST OUT OF THE BOX, LOOK AT WHAT 2.0 MIGHT DO, AND THEN WE'LL THEN WE'LL HAVE WORKING GROUPS WITH THE CITIES AND LEGISLATORS, AND WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA BE ALL OVER THIS THING TO GET IT RESOLVED.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT, THE REGION'S NOT IN A GOOD PLACE.

IF WE HAVE CITIES WHO DON'T THINK WE'RE OFFERING WHAT NEEDS TO BE OFFERED, WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THAT.

YEP.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I MEAN, SAY YOUR TURN MY TURN.

KNOW, ENLIGHTEN, MAYBE SAVE THE SLIDES FOR THEN AND ENLIGHTEN US ON, UH, ENLIGHTEN US ON SORT OF THE, THE TRADE OFF THAT IT WOULD TAKE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WHATEVER THAT TRADE OFF IS FOR 5%, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THE 25%.

WELL, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DART IS INTERESTED IN DOING IS, UM, WORKING WITH THE NCT COG AND THE RTC TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE INCREASE THE REVENUES ACROSS THE REGION, RIGHT? INCREASE THE REVENUES FOR THE DART SERVICE AREA AND THE CITIES IN THE SERVICE AREA, UH, INCREASING THE REVENUES ACROSS ALL OF THE CITIES IN THE REGION, WHETHER THEY'RE A MEMBER OF DART OR NOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IDEA OF, UM, TRANSFERRING COSTS FROM, YOU KNOW, OR REVENUES FROM ONE ENTITY'S BOTTOM LINE TO ANOTHER ENTITY'S BOTTOM LINE DOESN'T ACTUALLY INCREASE THE POT.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND THE POT OR EXPAND THE PIE AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW IT GETS DISTRIBUTED.

BECAUSE IN A REGION THAT'S GROWING AS RAPIDLY AS, AS THE NORTH TEXAS METROPLEX, I THINK IT'S, UM, A LITTLE SHORTSIGHTED TO TRY TO JUST ASSUME THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA RETAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF REVENUE.

I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A REALITY RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE ARE CREATIVE WAYS THAT I THINK WE CAN, UM, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO IMPLEMENT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE.

AND PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY INCREASING THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY DART WAS SO INTERESTED IN, IN WORKING ON THIS TURS CONCEPT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN ACTIVATE SOME OF THE LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY EMPTY OR, OR, YOU KNOW, USED UP WITH A PARKING LOT , UM, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN START TO GENERATE THAT REVENUE THAT WILL MAKE ALL OF OUR CITIES BETTER.

UM, AND I THINK THE CITIES THAT HAVE DART ARE IN THE BEST POSITION TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, NO, YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WHEN Y'ALL COME BACK AFTER ALL YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, YOU

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IF THAT COMES BACK AT 2027, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT, I GUESS FIVE TIMES MORE DEVASTATING THAN WHENEVER THE 5% IS FOR SURE.

BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT 5% IS STILL, UH, IF, IF WE WERE TO TRULY DO THE FULL 5% SURE, IT'S STILL THE BIGGEST SERVICE CUT IN THE HISTORY OF DART.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC IS LIKE, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IF WE HAVE TO DO THIS? UM, AND SO I DON'T EXPECT TO COME BACK UNBRED, OF COURSE.

AND, UM, YEAH, NO, THANK YOU.

THAT'S, THAT'S A POWERFUL STATEMENT.

I DO HAVE TWO MUCH, MUCH SMALLER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UM, JUST THE, THE FIRST ONE, UH, THERE'S A MAP ON ONE OF THESE SLIDES THAT SHOWS, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT SORT OF HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS ACCOMPANYING THE NEW SILVER LINE AND THE COTTON TRAIL.

YEP.

THE COTTON BELT OR COTTON BELT REGIONAL TRAIL.

AND THEN, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT DID THE GREEN, THE GREEN BARS MEAN? I TOOK DART UP THE PLANO AND I SAW IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

IT LOOKED AWESOME.

UM, SO WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RED VERSUS JUST LIKE THE COMPLETELY GREEN ONES.

DOES THAT MEAN THOSE ARE COMPLETE AT THIS POINT? UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

LET ME FIND OUT AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU, .

OKAY, AWESOME.

UM, I ACTUALLY, I HAVE NO IDEA.

ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU.

AND THEN, UH, NO WORRIES.

AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TO KIND OF GO ON THE, THE THEME OF THE BASICS, RIGHT? WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, SECURITY AND CLEANLINESS UPDATES JUST AS FAR AS LIKE THE ACTUAL DART STATIONS GO.

I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD FROM, I HEARD RECENTLY WHEN TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE WENT THROUGH THE PAST SIX MONTHS FROM SOMEONE WHO IS OTHERWISE AN SAL DART SUPPORTER, THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THE FAIR MACHINES AT, AT EVERY STATION.

I MEAN, SO IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE SECURITY I CLEANLINESS ON THE TRAINS, JUST THE, THE GENERIC, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST OPERATION OF THE STATIONS.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER INVESTMENT Y'ALL ARE PLANNING ON SINKING INTO THAT OR ANY SORT OF EXTRA PLANS THERE? IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SHOULD MENTION THE FAIR MACHINES UHHUH , BECAUSE I, I LITERALLY TOOK OUT THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT OUR NEW TICKET VENDING MACHINES.

OH, COOL.

WELL, AND, UM, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INSTALLING NEW TICKET VENDING MACHINES.

OH, WONDERFUL.

UM, SO I'LL GET YOU MORE DETAILS ON THAT.

I DID NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE PRESENTATION, AND THEREFORE I DON'T HAVE THAT SLIDE WITH ME.

IF YOU JUST GET IT OVER TO DON, HE'LL SEND IT OUT TO ALL OF US.

YEAH, YEAH.

I HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND, AND I WILL GET YOU AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE RED AND GREEN LINES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY BAFFLING ME RIGHT NOW.

IT, IT, WHEN I ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE UTILIZED GOLINK RIDERSHIP IS ACTUALLY, MY, MY OPINION IS, AND THIS IS, I REALIZE IT'S ALL OPINION BASED.

AND I COULD JUST TRY TO TAKE MY BIKE UP THERE AND GO THROUGH ANY CONSTRUCTION SITES AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

, , WHAT'S, I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S A REALLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION, BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME A LEGEND LIKE THEY USUALLY DO.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER SHAEL SAYS IT MEANS IT'S DONE.

SO YEAH.

, YOU GIVE IT A SHOT.

UM, MAYOR NADINE, GARY, THANK YOU AS ALWAYS, REALLY ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENTATIONS.

UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF TONIGHT, I, I TRIED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF, OF PERSONAL, IF YOU WILL, RECOGNIZANCE RESEARCH, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME, AND I JUST, I JUST WANNA THROW OUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS A POSSIBLE IDEA FOR Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT, RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT CUTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IS A VERY STRONG ACTIVE, I'M GONNA, AND, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY MARKETING CAMPAIGN 'CAUSE I'M WAY OUTTA MY WHEELHOUSE WHEN I START TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

YOU, YOU PROBABLY REALIZE, BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GOLINK SYSTEM AND ABOUT THE LAST, ABOUT THE LAST MILE, IF YOU WILL, OR THE LAST, THAT CONNECTION POINT FROM WHEREVER TO WHEREVER, UM, YOU KNOW, I I PEOPLE THAT I WOULD'VE EXPECTED TO KNOW ABOUT IT, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE OLD SAYING GOES, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

AND I THINK IF YOU COULD REALLY, UM, AND I'M JUST, I'M SPECIFICALLY, I PULLED UP THE SLIDE ON MY, MY PHONE TO LOOK AT IT.

THE, THE EAST TELECOM GO LINK.

UM, I, I, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED IS HOW FEW PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT DOES, HOW IT WORKS.

BECAUSE WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WHENEVER I BRING UP THE ART IS, OH YEAH, WELL, IF I CAN GET OVER TO A TRAIN STATION, IF I CAN FIND WHERE THE BUS STOP IS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND I SAID, WELL, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT GOLINK? AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT'S THAT? AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY YOUR BEST KEPT SECRET.

NOT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS A SECRET, BUT IT MAY VERY WELL BE YOUR BEST PART, BEST KEPT SECRET AS A PART OF YOUR SYSTEM.

SO, A, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU SHOWED US THE, I THINK, I THINK YOU SHOWED US THE EAST TELECOM, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ONE ON THE WEST SIDE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

THAT'S A GOAL LINK.

AGAIN, A THOUGHT AS YOU TALK WITH THESE OTHER CITIES, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL YOU HAVE GOAL LINKS, BUT AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE AN IDEA TO, TO WORK THROUGH WITH THOSE CITIES.

BECAUSE AGAIN,

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RIDERSHIP ACTUALLY GOES UP 'CAUSE PEOPLE START TO USE, OR IF THEY'VE USED GOLINK AND THEY USE IT AND THEY CONNECT AND, AND DO ALL OF THAT, IT'S INCREDIBLY POWERFUL AND POSITIVE.

SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS GET INTO THE, Y'ALL ARE FIGHTING BACK ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CUTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

WELL, THIS IS ALREADY A SERVICE YOU HAVE.

BUT I, I, I REALLY WONDER IF YOU, IF YOU WALKED INTO SOME OF THE TOWNS THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THE CUTS, WOULD THEY UNDERSTAND IF, IF YOU'RE OFFERING GOLINK SERVICES IN THEIR, IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, DO THEY UNDERSTAND IT? HAVE THEY GONE OUT AND TALKED TO THEIR CITIZENS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO I THROW THAT OUT AS A, I GUESS I'LL SAY AN ALTERNATIVE TO ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT CUTS, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD REALLY, UM, I'M NOT, UM, UM, CAPITALIZE ON IT, MAYBE IT'S THE RIGHT WORD.

I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY POWERFUL, BUT I THINK IT'S YOUR, YOUR BEST KEPT SECRET.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND FOR, FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS.

I ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD TO 'EM.

THANKS.

I, UM, JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT RAIL.

SOME OF THEM MAY KNOW ABOUT BUS, UH, A LOT OF 'EM DON'T KNOW ABOUT GOLINK.

UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OBJECTIVE, I THINK IN THE FUTURE IS TO MAKE SURE WE LEVERAGE ALL OF THE MODES, RIGHT? BECAUSE ALL OF THE MODES HELP US MAKE THAT END-TO-END JOURNEY.

AND SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON OUR END TO MAKE SURE, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE SERVICES ARE SERVICES THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR AND TO USE, AND THEN TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED UP IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT TOTAL JOURNEY EXPERIENCE.

AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT.

UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT EXAMPLES AROUND THE WORLD, UH, AND, UM, AND WE REALLY, WE ASPIRE TO BE AS GOOD AS THE EUROPES AND THE ASIAS OF THE WORLD WHERE WE THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE A SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE, UM, CAN RELY ON AND, AND FIND IT VERY CONVENIENT AND EASY TO USE.

IF YOU ACTUALLY GO IN, AND I DID IT THIS WEEKEND JUST TO SEE IF YOU GO IN, IT'S GOTTA BE THE BEST BARGAIN IN TOWN TO GET FROM, FROM POINT A TO POINT B TO THEN GET ON A, ON A, ON A, ON ONE OF THE TRAINS OR A BUS OR, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLY, UM, COST EFFECTIVE, IF YOU WILL, AS COMPARED TO ANY OTHER MOBILITY TRANSPORTATION THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE FOR SURE.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, SHAUL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, UH, NADINE, AND THANK YOU MAYOR AND CHAIR SLAGEL FOR COMING.

I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN FEW TIMES.

AND LAST TIME YOU CAME GAVE US A PRESENTATION ON ILAS.

UH, THAT WAS GREAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, UH, I DO HAVE FEW QUESTION.

I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS VERY COMPLEX FORMULA FOR ALL KIND OF SERVICES AND ALL THIS, AND I THINK WE ARE JUST, I THINK LAST TIME I ASKED, UH, MAYOR SLAGEL THAT WHERE WE ARE AT DART HISTORY, THAT TO GET THE FULL BENEFIT, AND HE DID, YOU DID MENTION THAT IT'S LIKE MAYBE ON HALFWAY, SO WE ARE YET TO SEE THE FULL BENEFIT.

I THINK WE CAN'T STOP THE MIDDLE OF THE JOURNEY BECAUSE THE BENEFIT IS COMING IN THE FUTURE.

AND I SAW A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT, THAT ABOUT 53% RESIDENTS OR COMMUTER FROM RICHARDSON GOES BACK TO DALLAS AND I SEE FROM PLANO IS ABOUT OVER 60%.

SO THESE ARE HUGE BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I KNOW I SAW, UH, THE SUMMARY OF THE ES AND YOUNG REPORT, UH, VERY CONFUSING IF YOU LOOK AT JUST ONE PAGE.

UH, BUT IS THERE ANY REPORT THAT WAS DONE THAT, WHAT HAPPENED LIKE 20 YEARS? LIKE I'M SURE THAT 10 YEARS AGO THE EQUATION WAS DIFFERENT, THE SUMMARY WAS DIFFERENT.

IT HAS SHIFTED TO CERTAIN POINT IN THAT REPORT BECAUSE OF THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT SLIDE, THAT PAGE IS GONNA BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW THERE, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S LIKE A COMPLEX THING THAT, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, NOT LOOKING AT TODAY MM-HMM .

SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT THAT CITIES ARE GETTING, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE ARE COMMITTING FROM HERE TO DOLLARS, UH, YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

WAS THERE ANY STUDY DONE BUILT ON THAT OR, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT CHAIR? SLAGEL? YEAH, GO DO THAT.

TRACK COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T WANNA STEAL YOUR THUNDER, BUT, UM, SO, UH, GREAT QUESTION.

20 YEARS AGO, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE LOOK HISTORICALLY AT THE DISTRIBUTION OR THE ALLOCATION OF COSTS OR INVESTMENTS, UM, ON A HISTORIC LEVEL, UH, IT IS PRETTY HARD TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE DATA IS NOT THERE.

UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW 43 YEARS OLD.

OVER TIME, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT SYSTEMS TO HELP US

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UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, MY HOPE , UM, IN MY PERFECT WORLD, WE WILL GET TO A POINT IN THE FUTURE WHERE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL COST EXPENSE, UH, REVENUE, UH, CONVERSATION.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE AROUND OUR CITIES, THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT DART PROVIDES VALUE.

UM, I THINK SOME OF OUR CITIES ARE IN A PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS UNIQUE TO, UM, THE ONES WHO BROUGHT THE LEGISLATION FORWARD.

I THINK ALL THE CITIES, UM, RICHARDSON INCLUDED FACE THE SAME CHALLENGES.

UM, YOU KNOW, INCREASING COST PRESSURES, UM, SHRINKING REVENUES OR LEVELING REVENUES.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL WAYS TO GENERATE NEW REVENUES SO THAT WE CAN ALL DO MORE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND SO DART IS NO EXCEPTION TO THAT.

UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE WE GET TO THAT POINT SOMEDAY.

UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT TYPE OF DATA AVAILABLE FOR US.

I'M NOT SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK 20 YEARS AGO.

UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, I HOPE WE CAN SETTLE ON SOME SORT OF METHODOLOGY THAT EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON AND, AND SUPPORT.

UM, AND THEN EVENTUALLY MAYBE NOT EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT ANYMORE.

NO, GREAT.

AND BY THE WAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMETIMES WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT TRANSIT 2.0, YOU KNOW, FOR A SPLIT SECOND, IT CAME TO ME THAT, OKAY, THIS IS A SOFTWARE UPDATE, ANOTHER VERSION.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A STUDY THAT'S COMING UP.

SO THAT'S A, YEAH, THE 2.0 STUDY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STUDY, I THINK.

'CAUSE IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THE ENTIRE REGION, THE WHOLE METROPLEX.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE TRAVELING IN THE FUTURE? 'CAUSE WE CAN'T BUILD OURSELVES OUTTA THIS PROBLEM.

NO, THANK YOU.

I AM, I'M JUST EAGER TO WAIT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THAT REPORT AND HEAR SOMETHING FROM YOU ALL.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I CROSSED OFF ALL MY QUESTIONS SO I WON'T ASK 'EM AGAIN ABOUT SECURITY AND CLEANLINESS AND, AND MARKETING.

THOSE WERE ALL ASKED, SO I JUST, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR GREAT WORK.

AND WHAT YOU JUST TOUCHED ON ABOUT REGIONALISM IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TRANSIT SYSTEM HERE IN OUR, IN OUR REGION.

AND 2.0 REALLY LOOKS AT HOW, HOW ALL OF THOSE CAN WORK TOGETHER, UH, SO WE CAN ATTRACT EVENTS LIKE, UM, THE WORLD CUP AND, AND OTHERS TO COME TO OUR REGION, AND WE CAN ALL BENEFIT FROM THEM.

UM, SO, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING.

UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, ALL THE BULLETS YOU'VE TAKEN RECENTLY, BOTH OF YOU.

UM, AND I, I'VE RECOGNIZED HIM BEFORE, BUT I WANNA RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN CORCORAN AGAIN, JUST FOR THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE.

UM, MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT'S NOT JUST GOING DOWN TO AUSTIN.

HE HAS PUT IN A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME INTO LEARNING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSPORTATION 2.0.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT.

UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S REALLY SORT OF, UH, TAKEN THE BANNER FOR ON, ON OUR COUNCIL.

AND I'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY PROUD TO SORT OF GO ALONGSIDE HIM AND, AND GET EDUCATED BY ONE OF THE GREATEST, UH, MICHAEL MORRIS, UH, WHO IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSPORTATION KING, IF YOU WILL, UM, FOR OUR REGION.

UM, BUT COUNCILMAN COR, THANK YOU REALLY FOR, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT IN, UM, WITH CHAIR SLAGEL AND WITH, UM, WITH NADINE AND EVERYONE AT DART BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AND, AND YOU'VE PUT IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE.

ALL OF YOU.

QUESTIONS OF MY OWN THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT KIND OF SOME CLARITY ON AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE THE WORLD CUP NEXT YEAR, AND THE WORLD CUP IS GONNA BE PLAYED IN, IN ARLINGTON WHERE THERE IS NO TRANSIT.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO US AND TO THE, UH, UH, TRINITY METRO TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

AND WE WILL, AND WE HAVE IT PLANNED, BUT WE CAN'T BE REMOVING DOLLARS AND DOING THAT AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S A, IT'S A REAL CONUNDRUM THAT WE, WE CAN FACE.

SO IT, IT DOESN'T END THERE.

AND THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST PROJECT WE HAVE GOING.

IT'S JUST ONE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT SPEAKS TO, TO DART'S ADAPTABILITY, UH, TO ITS REGIONALISM.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GOT ITS MEMBER CITIES THAT IT'S FOCUSED ON, BUT IT'S NOT CLOSING ITS EYES TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR REGION, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AND SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR, UH, SORT OF THE ETHOS OF, OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT DARTS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

UH, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE FOLKS, UH, REALLY LARGE CITIES WHO DON'T HAVE TRANSIT.

I MEAN, THERE ARE FOLKS HAVE VOTED IT DOWN MORE THAN ONCE, I BELIEVE.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW, AS A REGION WE CAN ALL SORT OF, UM, CONNECT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY GREAT THINGS UNDER 2.0 RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THIS TURS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE.

SO ANYWAY, I, I CAN SAY GREAT THINGS ALL NIGHT, BUT I'LL JUST END WITH THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I WILL JUST ADD REALLY QUICKLY, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD CUP IS THIS OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, NOT JUST FOR THE NORTH TEXAS METROPLEX, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES TO REALLY DEVELOP THE BRAND FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY ME AND MY PEERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE THINKING ABOUT IT IN ALL THE HOST CITIES.

UM, WE THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UPHOLD THE BRAND EXPERIENCE THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE.

MS. LEE, UH, I HAVE A FEW

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AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

UM, ONE OF THE SLIDES DID TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SERVICES YOU'RE PROVIDING TO RICHARDSON MM-HMM .

IS THERE ANY INDICATION YET, UH, AND AND IT MAY BE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION NOW, AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE IT LATER, BUT ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE SERVICES THAT YOU FEEL ARE, SAY, UNDERUTILIZED? UM, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE GOT THE SERVICE THERE, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE TAKE RATE THAT WE NEED AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, BETTER PARTNERSHIP ON OUR SIDE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT, THAT SORT OF THING.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT JUMPS OUT AT YOU AT THIS POINT? UM, NO, NOT THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME.

I MEAN, RICHARDSON HAS PRETTY GOOD UTILIZATION ACROSS THE BOARD, PARTICULARLY OF COURSE, WITH THE UTD SERVICES, UM, OUR HIGHEST RIDERSHIP BUS ROUTES IN THE WHOLE SYSTEM.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, AND I'M DRAWING THIS FROM MEMORY RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE UM, I HAVE LIKE A FEW SLIDES, BUT, UM, FOR THE SERVICES THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED, UM, IN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THE UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETINGS, THERE ARE NO DISCONTINUATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED OR CONSIDERED FOR THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

UM, WHERE WE WOULD MAKE CHANGES IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS CHANGES TO FREQUENCIES, UM, HOW OFTEN THE, THE TRAINS OR THE BUSES WOULD COME BY.

AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE, UM, SLEW OF THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHANGES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ROUTE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO, UM, WE HAVE OUR 100 SERIES ROUTES.

WE HAVE OUR FREQUENT BUS NETWORK, WE HAVE OUR 200 SERIES ROUTES.

SO DEPENDING ON, ON WHICH, UM, SORT OF FAMILY OF ROUTES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT ARE BEING, UM, CONSIDERED.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW, UH, WE KNOW GOING INTO THESE MEETINGS THAT, UH, REDUCING FREQUENCY IS NOT THE GREATEST SOLUTION FOR ANYBODY.

UM, WE REALLY HOPE THAT WE IN THE FUTURE WILL BE INCREASING, UM, FREQUENCIES.

UH, I THINK THAT'S A BETTER STRATEGY TO INCREASE MOBILITY.

SO, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY TOUGH DECISION FOR US TO MAKE.

UM, AND, AND AS WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE, WE'LL BETTER BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

WONDERFUL.

AND ONE LAST QUESTION.

YOU HAD MENTIONED YOUR PEERS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UH, THE WORLD CUP.

AND I'M, I AM CURIOUS OF YOUR PEERS, ANY OF THEM IN PARTICULAR THAT MIRROR US MOST CLOSELY THAT YOU THINK ARE PROBABLY MOST RELATIVELY CLOSE TO WHAT, WHAT WE ARE HERE? UH, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ASPECT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, POLITICALLY, NO.

UM, , UM, WELL, SO WE ARE COMPARED A LOT.

UH, AND OF COURSE EVERY TRANSIT AGENCY IS VERY UNIQUE, RIGHT? WE'RE COMPARED A LOT WITH, UM, DENVER REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION DISTRICT, UM, WHERE I USED TO WORK, UM, ATLANTA, UH, THE METROPOLITAN ATLANTA REGIONAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY.

UM, UH, LET ME THINK HERE.

UH, SOMETIMES TRIM MET IN PORTLAND.

UM, SIMILAR TYPES OF OPERATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DEPENDS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT FROM A LIGHT RAIL PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE SECOND LONGEST LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY.

WE USED TO BE THE LONGEST.

LA HAS, UM, HAS RECENTLY SURPASSED US IN TERMS OF MILES.

UM, UH, IN TERMS OF BUS SERVICE, UH, I THINK PROBABLY, UM, I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE KIND OF MID-SIZE CITIES, UH, WELL, I SAY MID-SIZE CITY, THEY'RE STILL BIG ST.

LOUIS, UM, KANSAS CITY, UM, INDIANAPOLIS, UH, PROBABLY IN TERMS OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THEIR BUS SERVICE, WE CERTAINLY, FOR A CITY OF OUR SIZE OR A REGION OF OUR SIZE, WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING A LOT MORE BUS SERVICE THAN WE DO.

UM, AND I THINK AT ONE POINT, EARLY ON IN MY TENURE, I THINK I TOLD THE BOARD THAT I WANTED TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING 500 BUSES, I WANTED TO HAVE 1500 BUSES .

AND I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF FREAKED OUT, BUT, UM, BUT WE'LL REVISIT THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES .

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY, I THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GROW AND TO PROVIDE A LOT MORE SERVICE AND A LOT BETTER SERVICE THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

UH, WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB RIGHT NOW, BUT I, I THINK WE COULD DO SO MUCH BETTER.

WONDERFUL.

AND, AND I'M ASKING THAT, THAT LAST QUESTION, JUST, UH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALWAYS KIND OF PIQUES MY INTEREST IS, IS HOW MUCH COLLABORATION WE'RE DOING WITH, UH, IN OUR CASE, CITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO US IN YOUR CASE, UH, UH, TRANSIT AUTHORITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO YOU, AND JUST TRYING TO BORROW IDEAS FROM EACH OTHER AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND, UM, LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT JUMPS OUT AT YOU THAT YOU WANT TO, UH, SHARE WITH US THAT YOU, WE'VE BORROWED FROM SOMEONE ELSE, OR, OR THAT WE FIND OURSELVES BEING BORROWED IN OTHER PLACES, I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S POSSIBLE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

UM, AND YOU'RE MUCH NICER THAN ME BECAUSE I STEAL IDEAS.

I DON'T JUST BORROW THEM .

UM, SO ACTUALLY WE, WE GET IDEAS FROM ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, BUT REALLY ALSO AROUND THE WORLD.

UM, I'M THE NORTH AMERICA CHAIR FOR U-U-I-T-P, WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORT.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE TRY TO DO THROUGH UITP IS REALLY SHARE THE IDEAS AROUND THE GLOBE, UM, TO REALLY HELP

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UM, AND THEN ONCE YOU GET A LITTLE TASTE OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE, YOU REALLY CAN'T TURN THAT OFF, RIGHT? SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO I WAS IN RIO DE JANEIRO FOR A MEETING OF UITP, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, A WAY TO DO SECURITY.

UH, SO, UH, USE YOUR, UM, YOUR SORT OF INFORMATION DISPLAY.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE, WE CALL 'EM PIS, BUT THEY'RE PUBLIC INFORMATION DISPLAYS.

THEY'RE REALLY THE SCREENS THAT ARE INTERACTIVE, UM, AT OUR STATIONS.

AND TO TRY TO FIND A WAY WHERE YOU COULD ACTIVATE THOSE SCREENS TO CONTACT A CUSTOMER SERVICE AGENT, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO IF YOU'RE WAITING, UH, AT A BUS STOP OR A TRAIN STATION AT NIGHT, YOU WANT A LITTLE COMPANION WHO CAN TALK TO YOU.

UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENTING SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY CALL INTO A LIVE PERSON, UM, AND HAVE A COMPANION WITH THEM.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY STARTED IN RIO DE JANEIRO.

UM, THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF OPPORTUNITIES.

I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU SOMETIME AND JUST GO THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM AROUND THE WORLD.

BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, CAME FROM EXPERIENCES OBSERVING THINGS AROUND THE WORLD, A VERY EXTENSIVE, UM, PERFORMANCE, UH, MEASUREMENT PROGRAM, SETTING KPIS, CONTINUOUS PROCESS IMPROVEMENT A LOT, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF COMPANIES DO THAT, UM, IN ASIA, THEY DO IT THE BEST.

AND SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC SOME OF THAT.

UH, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO SET THAT UP, PROBABLY ABOUT A DECADE, BUT WE'RE HOPING WE CAN ACCELERATE.

UM, THE SYSTEM MODERNIZATION STUFF WE'RE DOING IS COBBLING TOGETHER A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES THAT WE'VE VISITED AND, AND, AND TALKED TO.

UM, AND REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING, UH, I, I SAID, I THINK TO THE BOARD ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID, WELL, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO BE LIKE? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE WORLD CLASS? AND I'M LIKE, I WANNA BE THE BEST.

I WANT DART TO BE THE BEST.

I MEAN, HOW HARD IS THAT? RIGHT? IT'S VERY HARD, .

BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WONDERFUL.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH THIS EVENING.

UH, AND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN WRAP UP THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION.

MS. LEE, MAYOR SLAGEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW AND DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, MR. MAGNER.

UM,

[6. REVIEW AND DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION]

GREAT.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UM, WE ARE EXCITED TO CONTINUE A CONVERSATION THAT, UM, BEGAN LAST WEEK AS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION HANDED OFF ITS, UH, FINAL REPORT TO YOU.

UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

UM, SORRY.

UH, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU PROVIDED, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO, UH, UH, ONE, UH, RECEIVING A DRAFT OF THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONER REPORT, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, UH, 10 DAYS AGO.

AND THEN, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY, UH, RECEIVING A COPY OF THE CHARTER RED LINE THAT WAS IN, UH, YOUR PACKET, UM, THIS PAST THURSDAY.

UM, THAT, UM, THAT FEEDBACK HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO, UH, TO, TO CITY STAFF.

UM, AND TONIGHT, UH, WHAT YOU FIND AT YOUR PLACE IS AN ADDITIONAL RED LINE, UH, THAT INCORPORATES MANY, UH, IF NOT, UH, MOST OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED IN THE FORM OF, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND IN YOUR RED LINE, YOU'LL FIND THOSE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

AND SO, UH, THE ORIGINAL RED LINE ITSELF, UM, THEN, UM, SUPPLEMENTED BY, UH, SOME RED, UH, BOXES, UM, AND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE THAT YOU'LL, THAT YOU'LL SEE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

ONE THEME THAT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU, UH, THAT WE, UH, PICKED UP ON, UM, AND I THINK IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA COME BACK AND VISIT WITH YOU ON NEXT WEEK, IS THE IDEA OF A, UH, DEFINITION SECTION.

AND, UH, SO THINGS, UH, LIKE QUALIFIED VOTERS, UH, UH, WHAT DOES, UH, YOU KNOW, DAY FOR INSTANCE MEAN? IS THAT A CALENDAR DAY? IS THAT A, A BUSINESS DAY? AND SO, UM, WE'LL BE WORKING, UH, THIS NEXT WEEK, UH, TO CONTINUE TO REFINE WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE FOR A POTENTIAL DEFINITION SECTION.

AND WE'LL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU NEXT WEEK, UH, FOR, UH, YOUR CONSIDERATION WITH RESPECT TO THE PLAN TONIGHT.

UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS WE'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE CHARTER ARTICLE BY ARTICLE.

UM, WE WILL TAKE THEM SEQUENTIALLY AND, UH, FOR EACH ARTICLE, I'D LIKE TO POSE TWO QUESTIONS TO YOU.

ONE, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO, OR ANY FEEDBACK REGARDING, UM, THE, UH, CHARTER COMMISSION OR THE STAFF'S, UH, UH, SUBSEQUENT RECOMMENDATIONS? AND THEN TWO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK RELATED TO ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, SECTIONS OF THAT PARTICULAR ARTICLE, MAYBE THAT WEREN'T THE SUBJECT OF A RECOMMENDATION? UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS KIND OF CONCLUDE AND WRAP UP EACH ARTICLE BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ARTICLE.

UM, OUR PLAN TONIGHT WAS TO TRY TO ACHIEVE, UM, ARTICLES ONE THROUGH 13, BUT GIVEN THE REMAINDER OF THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE TO YOU, IS THAT RIGHT AROUND THE 60 MINUTE MARK OR SO, UM, IF WE'RE STILL GOING, WE'LL KIND OF REASSESS WHERE WE ARE.

UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, UH, DECIDE ON HOW WE WANNA PROCEED.

LET ME REMIND YOU, AS I'VE SHARED WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY, NEXT, UH, MONDAY NIGHT, UM, WHICH, UH, IS THE 16TH,

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UH, WE HAVE A TIME SET ASIDE ON THAT AGENDA FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THIS DISCUSSION.

SO, UM, IF WE, UH, IF WE NEED TO USE THAT, WE DEFINITELY CAN DO SO.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, ON THE 23RD, UH, WILL BE, UM, THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, AND SO, UM, LET ME, I'M GONNA LOOK OVER AT AMY.

UH, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES FOR ME, IT LOOKS LIKE.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO, UH, MAYOR SEL, LET'S BEGIN.

UM, AND, AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH AN EASY ONE, UM, ARTICLE ONE.

THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSION OR FROM, UH, OR FROM STAFF.

AND SO, UM, I WON'T WANNA, THAT WON'T BE A A A POINT HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WERE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, SECTIONS IN ARTICLE ONE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, DISCUSS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? JUST A SHAKE OF HEADS.

NO.

WILL GIVE ME THE ALL RIGHT.

UH, UH, ARTICLE, UM, TWO, WHICH IS, UH, POWERS OF THE CITY.

UH, THERE WERE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE, ARTICLE, I'M SORRY, SORRY, SECTION 2.2, UM, FOCUSED ON CLARIFYING AND SIMPLIFYING THE LANGUAGE, UH, FOR CONSISTENCY.

AND THEN, UH, SECTION 2.4, RETITLED THAT SECTION FOR CLARITY AND THEN FURTHER DEFINED, UH, WHAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WERE.

AND SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE CHARTER, BOTH OF THOSE CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK RELATED TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER SECTIONS OF, UH, ARTICLE TWO THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? ALRIGHT, WE'RE OFF TO A GREAT START.

SO, DISAPPOINTING CLARIFICATION.

UM, I SUSPECT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS CITY COUNCIL.

UM, ARTICLE, UH, SECTION 3.03, UM, WAS, UH, INTENDED TO CLARIFY LANGUAGE AND, UH, DEFINE THE TIMING OF THE MAYOR PRO PROM ELECTION, UM, AND TERM, UH, COMP.

UM, UM, SECTION 3.04 WAS, UH, A RECOMMENDATION FROM, FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSION TO INCREASE COMPENSATION AT 3.06, UH, ADDED LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY, THE, UH, UH, ACCUSED MEMBER IS NOT INCLUDED IN VOTING THRESHOLD AND MAY NOT VOTE REGARDING HIS OR HER, HIS OR HER OWN MISCONDUCT, UH, OR, UH, UM, AND THEN 3.06 WAS ACTUALLY, UM, A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE INCLUDED.

UH, YOU IF THAT LANGUAGE IN RED THERE LOOKS FAMILIAR TO YOU, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE FROM YOUR ETHICS ORDINANCE, UH, REQUIRING A COMPLAINT TO BE VERY ARTICULATE ABOUT, UM, UH, ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT, UM, AS WELL AS A PROCESS FOR MANAGING THAT.

AND, UH, SO, UH, MAYOR, UM, AND COUNSEL, LET ME, LET ME PAUSE JUST FOR A SECOND.

I APOLOGIZE, .

UM, LET ME, UH, WELCOME OUR CITY ATTORNEY, PETE SMITH, AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY JOE GRITA.

UH, AS WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL BE, UH, INSTRUMENTAL IN RESPONDING TO MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LEGALITY OR, OR, UM, LEGALESE.

I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE AMY AND DANETTE WHO'VE BEEN AWESOME THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

UM, BUT LET'S GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS AT HAND.

ARE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK RELATED TO SECTION, UM, UH, OR I'M SORRY, ARTICLE THREE WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, UH, CHARTER COMMISSION OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE INDEED.

YES.

UM, I, I SORT OF ALLUDED TO THIS.

UM, THIS IS FOR 3.04.

I ALLUDED TO THIS IN MY COMMENTS LAST WEEK.

UM, FOR ME, THE AMOUNT SUGGESTED, UH, AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE PAYMENT, UM, ARE CONCERNING TO ME.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO HIGH.

UM, I THINK IF WE GO TO THE VOTERS AND ASK FOR, ASK FOR A PAY INCREASE, IT NEEDS TO BE TIED TO SOMETHING.

UM, AND SO I THINK, UM, I HAD TALKED TO A FEW COMMISSIONERS, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER REER, UH, WHO I THINK IS HERE TONIGHT, UM, HAD A REALLY GREAT IDEA TO, TO TIE IT TO THE CPI DOING THAT I THINK WOULD, WOULD RAISE AS OF TODAY OUR, UM, UH, PER MEETING SALARY TO $157, THINKING ABOUT 10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO ABOUT 200 OR SO DOLLARS, UM, USING FUTURE INDICES.

SO I THINK, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO INCREASE IT, THAT WE INCREASE IT TO $200 PER MEETING AND NOT DO IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, I THINK, UM, DOING IT THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED HERE WON'T BE APPLES TO APPLES FOR THE VOTERS.

AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF STICKER SHOCK.

I, I THINK THE SPIRIT WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO MORE THAN THAN JUST MEAT, UM, ONCE A WEEK.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

UM, THE MEAT OF WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS THESE MEETINGS IN PREPARATION FOR THESE MEETINGS.

AND SO I'M COMFORTABLE TYING IT TO THOSE.

UH, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT AN APPLES TO APPLES IF THIS, THIS GETS PUT ON THE BALLOT IF WE DO IT THAT WAY.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL, AND, AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IS THAT WE, WE KEEP IT ON A, A, UH, MEETING, UH, PAYMENT BASIS AS IT IS NOW, AND THAT WE TIE IT TO SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE IT TO THE VOTERS IF WE WISH TO INCREASE OUR SALARY.

AND I THINK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER DRER'S IDEA ABOUT TYING IT TO THE CPI AND FUTURE INDICES, THE WAY TO DO IT, AND THAT WE LOWER IT TO 200.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE TAKE IT TO 200 NOW AND THEN TIE IT TO THE CPI OR NO, I DON'T WANNA

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CONTINUE TO TIE IT TO THE CPI.

I'M JUST SAYING IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

IF A VOTER SAYS, UNDERSTAND WHY IS THIS ON THE BALLOT? I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, WE LOOKED AT STRONG NUMBERS RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE $157 TODAY.

RIGHT? IF WE TIED IT TO THE PREVIOUS 10 YEARS.

AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD, WHAT DO WE THINK APPROXIMATELY USING FUTURE WOULD BE IN 10 YEARS WHEN IT'S REVIEWED AGAIN.

AND THAT WOULD BE 200.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE SOMETHING PRETTY CONCRETE LIKE THAT TO A VOTER THAT MAY QUESTION WHY WE'RE POTENTIALLY ASKING FOR A SALARY INCREASE.

THANKS.

I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARAS.

UM, COUNCIL AND JUSTICE.

I, I LIKE THE IDEA.

I'M NOT SURE I'M STUCK EITHER WAY, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF PRE-WRITING A, A SET STRUCTURE, UM, SO THAT THIS COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCILS AND SO THAT THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S TIED TO.

SO I, I DO AGREE WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ANSWER IS AS FAR AS THE DETAILS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF SETTING IT TO SOMETHING.

UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE THIS SPIRIT IN WHICH THE, UH, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION GAVE US THIS NUMBER, AND I, I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES, UH, APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.

POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, MR. MAGNER, WE'RE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING AROUND DISCUSSING 3.04, AND THEN I SHOULD SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR OTHER SECTIONS ONCE WE DISCUSS 3.04, CORRECT? YES.

IF, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD AGREE TO THAT, LET'S RESOLVE EVEN IF IT'S A SECTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

AND THEN, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THIS, WE CAN TAKE OTHER SECTIONS AND, AND, UH, ARTICLE THREE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO FOUR.

SO LAST COMMENT.

I HAVE ABOUT 3.04, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT FITS IN, BUT I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING I'VE, I'VE, UH, MADE COMMENTS TO IN A PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND I KNOW IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS, UM, WHEN I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT COMPENSATION, I'VE NEVER REALLY HAD A STRONG PREFERENCE.

'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE OR BREAK ANY OF US.

I MEAN, IT, WE UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE HOURS WE PUT IN.

AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE, THE HONOR IT IS TO SERVE ON THIS COUNCIL.

SO I HAVE NO REAL, NO REAL CONCRETE THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ACTUAL COMPENSATION PIECE OF IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SHARED BEFORE THAT I, I'D MUCH RATHER TAKE A SMALLER COMPENSATION, BUT HAVE SOME KIND OF ROOM IN THE BUDGET FOR LIKE A CONTINUING EDUCATION OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUDGET LINE THAT'S DISCUSSION FOR BUDGET LATER.

BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER, LET'S TAKE THIS, TAKE SOMETHING SMALLER THERE, BUT THEN SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO USE SOME CONTINUING EDUCATION, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL DECIDES THE BUDGET TOWARDS EITHER TML OR ONE OF THE OTHER MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDES ONGOING EDUCATION, UM, THAT IS UP TO THE DISCRETION.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I THINK WOULD BETTER BENEFIT, UM, OUR RESIDENTS, UH, PERSONALLY.

BUT THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT.

BUT IN TIED TO THIS, I HAVE NO, NO SET NUMBER, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF TYING IT TO SOMETHING SPECIFIC IN THE STRUCTURE THAT COUNCILMAN JUSTICE SUGGESTED.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

DORIAN.

THE LAST, UH, YEARS, UH, YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TOLL TAG EXPENDITURES.

WELL, I'M GONNA BE, UH, KIND OF THE OPPOSITE END OF THIS CONVERSATION, UH, AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, UM, AND ON MY FIRST TWO YEARS OF NOW WORKING ON MY SECOND TERM, I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF GIVING TO THE CITY AND PROVIDING, UH, AN ELECTED SEAT AND PROVIDING THE TIME THAT WE PUT IN TO THIS POSITION AND THE JOB IT TAKES AND THE HOURS IT TAKES TO DO IT.

HOWEVER, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE $1,200 FLAT FEE A MONTH.

I, I'M OKAY WITH A MONTHLY FEE AND NOT TYING IT TO ANYTHING.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN THE REASON WHY.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD ON HERE ACTUALLY TO INCREASE IT TO 1500, BUT 1200 IS FINE.

BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, AND AGAIN, I DID A SPREADSHEET JUST TO KIND OF CALCULATE, AND THIS IS FOR ME, AND I KNOW A LOT OF OUR COUNCIL, UM, AND MAYOR WORK A LOT OF HOURS.

BUT AS I WAS SORT OF CALCULATING THE AMOUNT OF TIME OVER THE LAST, I WENT BACK TWO YEARS, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE SPENT OVER 40 HOURS A WEEK, NOT EVERY SINGLE WEEK, BUT ON AVERAGE BETWEEN 38 AND 41 HOURS A WEEK.

AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HERE.

WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, UH, TRY TO RUN FOR THIS OFFICE TO GET A PAYCHECK.

'CAUSE WE CERTAINLY IF, WELL, NONE OF US WOULD'VE DONE THAT OTHERWISE.

BUT I ALSO HAVE TO TIE INTO OTHER THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE ARE RELEVANT THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW.

UH, ONE, WE HAVE FUEL ALLOWANCE.

I MEAN, SOME OF US SPEND ANYWHERE FROM 1200 TO $2,500 A YEAR JUST IN ON FUEL ALLOWANCE, TRAVELING.

WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF MAINTENANCE ON CARS.

YOU HAVE TO RELATE.

THERE'S, THERE ARE, UH, EXPENSES TIED TO REPLACING WHEELS, OIL CHANGES AND SO FORTH.

NOT THAT YOU DO NOT USE YOUR VEHICLE FOR PERSONAL OR OTHER BUSINESS USE, BUT I'M JUST TYING IT INTO THE TIME SPENT.

FOR ME PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME OVER

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UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MEETING UP WITH RESIDENTS, UH, SPENDING MONEY ON LUNCHES, UH, COFFEES, DINNERS, UH, JUST IN ADDITION TO SPENDING TIME ON THE WEEKENDS, UH, MEETING WITH A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.

AGAIN, NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE, PUT VALUE IN TO WHAT I FEEL IS GENERATIONAL OF WHERE WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND NOT GO ANOTHER 10 YEARS FOR $150 OR $200 FOR A SPECIFIC MEETING, OR EVEN POTENTIALLY THE CPI.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING OUT THERE AND PEOPLE HERE IN THE ROOM UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE HOURS THAT YOU PUT IN, BECAUSE WE ALL PUT A LOT OF HOURS IN.

IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY YOU SPEND OUT OF POCKET.

AND GENERALLY, MOST OF US DON'T TURN IN OUR REIMBURSABLES.

UM, UNLESS WE SPECIFICALLY NEED TO GO OUT ON A, A, A CITY TRIP, UH, THAT'S REQUIRED.

BUT THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN THIS SEAT TO EARN A A, A LARGE PAYCHECK.

I JUST FIGURED THAT $1,200, I WAS, I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, BY THE WAY.

UM, I THOUGHT, THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN I THOUGHT YOU'RE GONNA SUGGEST.

BUT I THOUGHT, WELL, I WAS THINKING MORE 1500, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST TYING BACK, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN FIVE AND $10,000 A YEAR YOU SPENT OUT OF POCKET AND NOT COUNTING THE HOURS YOU SPENT.

AND I SAW THE BREAKDOWN BASED ON 40 HOURS.

IT COMES A LITTLE OVER $7, UH, AN HOUR.

AND THEN I THINK IF WE BREAK IT DOWN, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE HIS NOTE IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT, BUT, UH, AS YOU BREAK IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER, THAT COMES UP TO, UM, ABOUT $15 AN HOUR.

SO, BUT EVEN SO, $7 AN HOUR, UH, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY, THEY'RE OUT.

NORTH TEXAS, ALMOST EVERY CITY HAS SOME SALARY OR FLAT RATE AND EVEN REIMBURSABLES AND EVEN CAR ALLOWANCES FOR COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF, IF WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A $200 FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS, WHAT ARE, WHO ARE GONNA BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA STEP UP AND POTENTIALLY WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE? IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT A YOUNGER GENERATION COMING ON BOARD BECAUSE THE DEMOGRAPHIC IS CHANGING DRASTICALLY.

AND RICHARDSON, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A YOUNGER GENERATION WANTING TO RUN FOR OFFICE, THEY POTENTIALLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR NOTHING.

SO THEY'RE POTENTIALLY ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING.

AND THAT 1500 OR $1,200 A A MONTH REALLY DOESN'T EQUATE TO MUCH AGAIN, WHERE NONE OF US ARE ON THIS, UH, ON THIS COUNCIL TO, TO EARN A, A VERY SERIOUS PAYCHECK.

WE ALL HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS.

SO I JUST WANT TO CONVEY THAT.

I WANNA KEEP DWELLING ON IT, BUT I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE WATCHING AND EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, THAT THE REALITY IS THAT MOST OF US, AND I'M REALLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF 'CAUSE I SAID I HAVE A SPREADSHEET HERE AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND I DIDN'T EVEN CALCULATE ALL THE RECEIPTS, BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW MUCH TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY WE SPENT OUT OUR OWN POCKET.

IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO GET REIMBURSED.

AND THAT $1,200 IS ONLY A REIMBURSABLE IF THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN COVER THE FULL EXPENDITURES.

UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, THAT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE ALL NEED SOME MORE DATA, MORE DISCUSSION TO FIND OUT, TO MAKE IT MEANINGFUL.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER .

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WELL, I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY, THEY DO SPEND LOTS OF HOURS AND THEY DO SPEND LOTS OF MONEY.

UH, YOU KNOW, THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS JUST A TOKEN MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL, NOT INDIVIDUAL.

THIS COUNCIL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD ALSO.

SO, UH, TO ME, IF WE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS OKAY, I'M HAPPY WITH $0.

IF YOU GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE A HUNDRED, 150, I WOULD PROPOSE MAKE IT ZERO.

SO, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT IN THE TAX FILING AND ALL THIS, REMEMBERING THAT, UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS VERY INS INSIGNIFICANT, OR EVEN IF YOU CAN PUT IT THAT, OKAY, THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WE CAN AUTOMATICALLY DONATE TO NON-PROFIT.

SO I DON'T HAVE TO REALLY WORRY ABOUT FILING TAX, UH, FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS.

UH, REMEMBERING TO GIVE THIS THING TO MY ACCOUNTANT.

SO TO ME PERSONALLY, THESE ARE HEADACHE.

GETTING THIS A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND EVEN FILING THAT REIMBURSEMENT FORM IS HEADACHE.

BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO SPEND HALF AN HOUR FILLING OUT THE PAPER AND ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M LOSING MONEY.

HONESTLY, I'M LOSING MONEY BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT HALF AN HOUR DOING SOMETHING ELSE, MAKE MUCH MORE MONEY ON THAT ONE.

SO I DON'T DO REIMBURSEMENT.

SO, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PERSONALLY ABOUT ME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL.

SO IF YOU DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL SO THAT WE CAN ATTRACT, UH, SOME YOUNGER GENERATION ALSO TO THE COUNCIL.

UH, I AGREE,

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BUT IF WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY MEANINGFUL CHANGE, JUST LEAVE IT A HUNDRED.

WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT.

I MEAN, PERSONALLY, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE.

I, I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE TO PUT ANYTHING WHERE I AM PERSONALLY GONNA BE BENEFITING, UH, WHICH MIGHT PEOPLE THINK THAT I'M BENEFITING, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT SCALE, 100 OR 1200 OR EVEN 1500.

I'M NOT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

$1,500.

UH, SO THAT KIND OF THINGS, I'D RATHER NOT TAKE ANY MONEY, UH, BUT DO IT MEANINGFUL SO THAT, UH, IT BENEFITS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER.

BECAUSE THAT'S OUR GOAL IS WE ARE, UH, WE'RE ALL DOING THIS THING TO GIVE, GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY, NOT LOOKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

UH, I'M, I FEEL VERY BAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR OWN PAYMENT HERE TODAY.

UH, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE COUNCIL, FUTURE COUNCIL ALSO.

UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME COSTS DEFINITELY THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND, UH, CHANGING TIRES, IT HAPPENED SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW TIRES, IT JUST GOES BAD.

YOU CAN'T CONTROL THOSE, UH, NAIL TO SAY, OKAY, DON'T MAKE A HOLE ON THE SIDE.

MAKE A HOLE FROM THE BOTTOM SO I CAN FIX IT.

SO TO ME, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT, UH, CAREFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE BY THE, UH, THE CHARTER COMMISSION, I THINK.

UH, AND, UH, BUT IF YOU DO IT, DO IT WITH THE MORE, MORE DATA AND BACKUP.

UH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON WITH THE, THE, THE OTHERS, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE, THE INDEX OR ANYTHING.

IT'S AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO SPEND THE CITY STAFF DOING SOME MATH, EVEN THEY SPEND 15 MINUTES DOING THAT, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TIME.

THEY CAN DO BETTER.

OTHER THINGS, MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, I WOULD NOT REALLY PUT ANOTHER HEADACHE FOR THEM TO PUT THAT ON THE TIE THIS THING WITH ANY OTHER INDEX.

UH, MAKE IT SIMPLE.

KEEP IT SIMPLE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M FOR.

BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL BEFORE I SAY MY FINAL THIS OPINION ON THIS ONE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM HUTCHIN RADER.

I JUST WANNA GET A CLARIFICATION, COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BARRIOS.

'CAUSE I, I THINK I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO MS. JUSTICE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT WE WOULD BE GOING FROM A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO 150 BASED ON CPI, BUT NOT PUT THE CPI LANGUAGE IN THIS ARTICLE? BECAUSE I I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE IT.

I WAS MAKING A NOTE FROM COUNCILMAN CHAEL'S, UH, STATEMENT.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE STAFF RUN NUMBERS AND THAT THIS BE ADJUSTED EVERY YEAR BASED ON THE CPI.

IF I'M GOING TO GO TO A VOTER AND I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY WE ARE SAYING 200, 1200, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BASIS THAT WE CAN TIE THAT TO WHICH IN THIS INSTANCE, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER STECKER, YOU KNOW, DID A STUDY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS BASED ON THE CPI TODAY, IT WOULD BE $157.

AND THEN USING A FUTURE INDICES, IF WE TIED IT TO, TO ONE OF THOSE FORMULAS, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $200 IN 10 YEARS.

SO THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS IF, IF WE ARE GOING TO SUGGEST AN INCREASE, I PERSONALLY, UH, WOULD ONLY FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR THIS IF I CAN POINT, SORT, SORT OF A HARD AND FAST REASON WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT.

RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I I, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DISPARAGING THE WORK THAT THE, THE COMMISSION DID.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID.

BUT WHAT, AFTER I HEARD COUNCILMAN BARRIOS AND THEN, AND THEN COUNCILMAN SHAEL, I WASN'T QUITE SURE.

SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.

I I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT, UM, WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE IS SAYING.

I THINK I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT AND I HEAR ALL I'VE HEARD.

I, I HEAR DISCUSSIONS.

I'VE HEARD IT.

I JUST THINK THAT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE'S CERTAINLY AN HONOR TO BE ON THIS COUNCIL.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY, IF I CAN USE THIS TERM, PERKS IF YOU WILL, UM, BY BEING ON COUNCIL, WE GET TO GO TO MANY EVENTS.

WE GET TO GO TO VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN FACT PAID FOR, IF YOU WILL, BY THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, ONE I WOULD POINT OUT QUICKLY IS WILDFLOWER, UM, THAT WE GET TO GO TO AND OUR TICKETS ARE COVERED FOR US TO BE THERE.

UM, THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

SO I I, AND I THINK, I THINK FROM MY STANDPOINT, IF FOLLOWING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MATH, I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO THE 150, THEN, THEN IN 10 YEARS THE NEXT COMMISSION AND THE NEXT COUNCIL COULD TAKE IT UP TO THE $200.

SO THAT WOULD BE, I, I WOULD SAY THAT WAY.

'CAUSE I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE AS WELL BEING ABLE TO TIE IT TO SOMETHING

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I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT IN A TIME WHEN, WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, EVERY BUDGET SEASON WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WATER GOES UP, ELECTRICITY GOES UP, ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE'RE GOING UP TO TRY AND TAKE THIS FROM A, WHAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH UP TO 12, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE, A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MEETING UP TO $1,200 A MONTH.

I, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME.

UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT AND I, I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY I, I WOULD WANT TO DO THE ONE 50 AND THEN IN 10 YEARS THEY COULD, THEY COULD TAKE IT UP TO 200 IF THEY SAW FIT, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM IN, IN 10 YEARS.

SO, UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH, WITH COUNCILWOMAN JUSTICE ON HER, ON THE METHODOLOGY AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER STRECKER WHO MADE THAT SUGGESTION.

SO THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

YEAH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

I ACTUALLY, I REALLY AGREE WITH ALL THE POINTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN MADE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YES, WE KNOW WHAT WE SIGN UP FOR WHEN WE'RE ON COUNCIL, BUT MAYBE BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE SIGN UP FOR THE PUBLIC DOES TOO, IN, IN A WAY.

AND THAT'S WHY SO MANY TIMES WE HAVE UNCONTESTED RACES.

I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT D MAGAZINE ARTICLES GOING BACK TO THE NINETIES, UM, TALK ABOUT WHEN MAYOR S SEGEL WAS ELECTED, RIGHT? THEY SAY RICHARDSON IS A SLEEPY AFFAIR.

THEY'VE CANCELED ELECTIONS BECAUSE NOBODY RAN AGAINST ALL THE INCUMBENTS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I THINK IF WE WANT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO RUN AND CAN RUN, UM, WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE COMPENSATION AND, AND $50 FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS ENOUGH TO REALLY ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THESE SEATS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, AND I, I MEAN I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF, OF FRUGALITY, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING PARTICIPATION, UM, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY A CONSISTENT COMPETITIVE ELECTIONS AS IT IS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK 1200 IS, IS A SOLID NUMBER, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND TOO.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I UNDERSTAND TOO THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME CONSTERNATION ON THE STICKER SHOCK.

UH, SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING IS, IS ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, MCKINNEY DID JUST HAVE A FAILED CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION WHERE THEIRS WAS ONLY GOING UP TO SEVEN 50.

I MEAN, I, MAYBE A NICE COMPROMISE IS TRYING OUR LUCK WITH SEVEN 50, UH, PER MONTH INSTEAD OF 1200.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT MORE, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 150 AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 200 OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

UM, THE OTHER THING I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAR'S POINT TOO IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PAID 1200 A MONTH, IF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PAID 1200 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MONEY THAT CAN ABSOLUTELY PAID FOR ALL KINDS OF CONFERENCES.

I, WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED, UM, SOMEONE, UH, ANDREW LASKI ASKED ME, HEY, GO TO THIS NEW URBANIST CONFERENCE UP IN OKLAHOMA CITY.

IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD USE OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR TIME TO GO UP THERE.

BUT I, I CAN'T PAY FOR THAT CONFERENCE AND I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT, THEN CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT NOW.

RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT THINGS LIKE THIS COULD PAY FOR A LOT OF THOSE EXTRA CONFERENCES AND CONTINUING EDUCATION THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE MENTIONING COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, COUNCILMAN, UM, DORIAN'S POINT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF HOURS PUT IN THERE AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN DORIAN, YOU, I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU SPEND 40 PLUS HOURS.

I THINK I AVERAGE 35 TO 38, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

UM, WHILE SOME WEEKS ARE A LOT LESS, SOME WEEKS OR MORE, I KNOW YOU ATTEND MORE, A LOT MORE DAYTIME EVENTS THAN I DO.

SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU PUT IN THOSE KIND OF HOURS.

UM, THE, YOU EACH HAVE GREAT POINTS AND YEAH, THIS SUMMER I'M GOING TO, I HAVE TWO CONFERENCES, UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE, TO BE HONEST, I PAY FOR 'EM OUT OF MY OWN PERSONAL CAMPAIGN FUND.

AND LUCKILY I STILL HAVE SOME LEFTOVER FROM TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I RAN, I HAD A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER.

AND, UH, SO I'M ABLE TO USE THAT OUT OF MY CAMPAIGN FUND FOR SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF CONFERENCE.

SO YEAH, IT WOULD HELP OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

UH, INITIALLY I, I PUSHED MY BUTTON.

UM, MR. MAGNER DON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED, SO IF YOU CAN HELP CLARIFY, 'CAUSE A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MENTIONED REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THOSE WATCHING.

CAN YOU, 'CAUSE IN TWO YEARS, I'M NOW THE BEGINNING OF MY SECOND TERM, I THINK I SUBMITTED REIMBURSEMENTS MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE.

WE WENT TO LIKE TMLI THINK THERE WAS AN INSTANCE WHERE I WAS SEPARATE 'CAUSE I HAD A DIFFERENT MEETING.

I HAD TO TAKE AN, AN UBER TO CATCH UP WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I PAID OUTTA MY POCKET, SUBMITTED IT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE TYPE THINGS.

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MAYBE TO THE AIRPORT.

'CAUSE I TRAVELED SEPARATELY, THEN YOU GUYS LIKE AN UBER TO THE AIRPORT, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING AT THE AIRPORT.

UM, CAN CAN YOU JUST GIVE US AN IDEA OF LIKE, TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT LIKE ON A MONTHLY BASIS WE ARE SUBMITTING REIMBURSEMENTS.

CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT, OR IS IT SPECIAL THINGS LIKE THAT? LIKE TML OR MAYBE AN AWARDS CONFERENCE? I KNOW THERE WAS A GROUP THAT WENT DOWN A, AN AWARDS CONFERENCE I THINK DOWN ON THE ISLAND MM-HMM .

YOUR LAST SUMMER.

IT'S, IT'S OFFICIAL TRAVEL FOR THE CITY.

IT'S MILEAGE, UM, THAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO, UM, UM, BEING REIMBURSED FOR IF YOU'RE ON OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS.

UM, IT MEALS, IF IT'S OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS, AND AGAIN, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY ANSWER FOR, FOR THOSE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THE LEGITIMACY OF THOSE AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF THOSE.

BUT, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S, UM, UH, ANYTHING THAT IS IN THE, UH, PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

SO CURRENTLY, SO WE DO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS BEING REIMBURSED FOR LIKE MEETING WITH CONSTITUENTS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

NO, NO ONE, NO ONE IS TURNING IN.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.

MAKE SURE COULD, YOU'RE CLARIFYING THAT TECHNICALLY.

SO TECHNICALLY THEY COULD.

SO IF THE EXPENSE IS A PROBLEM, YOU CAN TECHNICALLY SUBMIT IT TODAY.

NO ONE IS DOING IT, BUT IT CAN BE DONE.

BUT THEN THAT, SO THAT ENDS UP TAKING FROM A DIFFERENT FUNDING, INCREASING OUR BUDGET IN ANOTHER AREA.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I GUESS, SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BALANCE.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A BUDGET DISCUSSION.

SO WE'LL TABLE THAT ONE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MCKINNEY, THAT IS MY CONCERN HERE, RIGHT? SEVEN 50 A MONTH IS 9,000 A YEAR.

AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE IS, UH, WELL IN EXCESS OF THAT.

AND SO I HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE PERCEIVED BY THE PUBLIC.

IT WAS NOT RECEIVED WELL IN MCKINNEY.

AND I HAVE TO THINK, AGAIN, THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE RECEIVED WELL HERE EITHER.

IT'S A THREE X INCREASE, UM, FROM, FROM WHERE OUR CURRENT SALARY IS.

SO, UM, I, I JUST, I WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF, UM, A A THREE X INCREASE PERIOD.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I CAN BE VOTED DOWN ON THAT, BUT I, I, UNLESS WE CAN TIE THIS TO SOMETHING THAT I CAN CONFIDENTLY, CONFIDENTLY LOOK A RESIDENT IN THE FACE AND SAY, THIS IS WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING IT, I WILL NOT VOTE, UM, FOR, FOR AN INCREASE.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

UM, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT A REFERENDUM OUT JUST FOR IT TO FAIL.

UM, IF THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR US TO, TO EXPLAIN IT.

SO, SO MAYOR, I, UM, I JUST WANT TO BE, I WANT TO JUST LEVEL SET.

SO WE ARE 20 MINUTES INTO THIS DISCUSSION, AND ALL THE LIGHTS ARE BACK ON .

SO, I MEAN, I, I, THIS IS YOUR DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST WANT TO, WE JUST NEED TO BE EYES OPEN TO, UM, SO IS THERE A CON, I MEAN, THERE'S A CONSENSUS DEVELOPING, IT SEEMS. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO, UM, MS BEFORE WE ASK FOR RECOMMENDATION, HAS THE CITY DONE ANY HA HAS YOU OR YOUR STAFF DONE ANY HOMEWORK AND KIND OF COME UP WITH ANY SUGGESTIONS THERE? WAS THIS FULLY, FULLY PULLED OUT OF THE AIR BY THE COMMISSION, OR WAS THERE ANY SUGGESTION FROM STAFF ON THAT? NO, IT WASN'T PULLED OUT OF THE AIR BY THE COMMISSION.

THEY, IT WAS FROM THIS, YEAH, ANYWAY, I'M SORRY.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT.

I JUST SAY I BA I, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE, WE SUBMITTED THOSE, YOU KNOW, HOURS.

WELL, SO, SO, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, UH, THE COMMISSION DID REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE HOURS THEY LOOKED AT, UM, WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING IN THE APPROACHES THAT OTHER CITIES, UH, HAD TAKEN.

AND, UM, THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE END OF THE EVENING, UM, THERE WAS A DEBATE BETWEEN THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE RIGHT NUMBER.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE MISCHARACTERIZING THE COMMISSION AT ALL TO SAY THEY PICKED THAT NUMBER, KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS, THAT YOU WOULD DEBATE THAT AND THAT THERE'D BE SOME CONSIDERATION.

BUT THEY, THEY ALSO HAD TO PICK A NUMBER, UH, TO, TO SEND TO YOU AS A RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO, UM, BUT, UH, BUT MAYOR IS, IS LOOK, LOOKING AT THE, THE CONSENSUS THAT, THAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT I'M SEEING THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, UH, A WILLINGNESS BY EVERYONE TO INCREASE IT TO SOME EXTENT.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I'M COUNTING, AND MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE, I, I, UH, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU AS WELL.

THAT'S ALRIGHT.

BUT AS I'M COUNTING, THERE'S, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S, UH, PROBABLY FIVE STRONG FOR GOING BACK TO MONTHLY, GOING BACK TO MONTH.

YOU MEAN GOING BACK, I'M SORRY.

EXCUSE ME.

GOING BACK TO PER DIEM, EXCUSE ME.

YEAH, YEAH.

GOING BACK TO PER DIEM, AND THAT NUMBER THAT KEEPS GETTING THROWN AROUND IS ANYWHERE FROM ONE 50 TO $200 A MONTH.

SO SINCE I HAVEN'T SPOKEN, I SUPPOSE I'LL, I'LL JUST PUT MY 2 CENTS AND TRY TO MAKE IT SHORT.

IN THE INTEREST OF, UM, TIME, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE BIGGEST THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UM, APPEARANCES SPECIFICALLY, UH, AROUND COMING BUDGET AND COMING BUDGETS.

UM, JUST AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LOOK IN PARTICULAR.

SO NONE OF US KNOW YET WHAT OUR NEXT BUDGET'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

AND I JUST THINK THAT IT CAN BE A REALLY ROUGH LOOK IF SOMEHOW WE END UP GIVING OURSELVES RAISES WHEN AT THIS MOMENT I CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL BE RAISES THAT WE WOULD LOVE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY.

AND SO,

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UM, AND I DO THINK ESPECIALLY IN THE HEAT OF, OR AT THE MOMENT WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR FILINGS, UH, TO RUN FOR THESE POSITIONS, I THINK IF, IF THE ANSWER WAS, IS WE GOT PAID ZERO, THE CHANCES ARE THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD'VE CHOSEN NOT TO RUN.

UM, UH, JUST, JUST AS A THOUGHT, THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS I HAVE YET, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST, AND I DEFINITELY AM NOT DIMINISHING, UH, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, BUT I HAVE YET TO HAVE SOMEONE SAY, THE REASON I'M NOT RUNNING IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MY ENDS MEET.

WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS OF WHICH THAT WAS LOW ENOUGH TO WHERE I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD IT.

SO, UM, DO WE HAVE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN OUR THOUGHTS? AND I'LL START WITH YOU, MAYOR, PER, I, I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS I DID THE MATH REAL QUICK.

THE, THE, UM, GOING FROM THE 5,200 TO 1200, THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY $9,000.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I, I THINK IT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH.

I'M, I'M JUST LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYOR, PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT MANY OTHER THINGS.

YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT GO ON WHEN YOU'RE, ONCE YOU'RE ELECTED, UM, THAT, THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE ISSUES THAN, THAN THE COMPENSATION.

SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS A VERY, VERY FAIR COMMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO TAG ONTO THAT REAL FAST.

AND, AND I, I WILL, LET ME JUST ADD ONE LAST THING.

I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T EVEN COMPLETE MY TOTAL THOUGHT HERE, BUT WHATEVER NUMBER WE DO LAND ON, UH, ASSUMING IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME NUMBER WE HAVE TODAY, I WOULD ALSO LOVE IT IF WE CONSIDERED IT BEING AN NTE, UH, A NOT TO EXCEED.

SO WHETHER THAT'S 200 OR 150 OR A THOUSAND OR 2000, I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO BE AN NTE FOR US, MEANING THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE WOULD THEN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD TAKE A STEP TOWARDS THAT NUMBER.

ESPECIALLY IN CASE, HEAVEN FORBID WE EVER GET TO A POINT IN THE BUDGET WHERE WE REALLY DON'T FEEL EVEN LESS COMFORTABLE ABOUT GIVING OURSELVES ANY KIND OF MOTION FORWARD.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY OTHER THOUGHT ON THAT FRONT COUNCIL MEMBER, DORIAN.

YEAH, I'M JUST, AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE, UH, IT'S, IT'S NONE OF US WERE, NONE OF US DECIDED TO RUN FOR OFFICE BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE MONEY.

WE ALL MAKE MONEY IN OUR OTHER FULL-TIME SHOPS.

AND I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE LISTENING UNDERSTANDS IT'S NOT REALLY A MATTER OF WHAT TYPE OF COMPENSATION IT IS.

IT'S, IT'S SETTING UP THE FUTURE FOR COMPENSATION.

IT IS SHOWING NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGE FOR THE NEW GENERATION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE.

THE CITY IN THE PAST HAS HAD A, A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ABLE AND IN POSITIONS THAT COULD RUN FOR AN OFFICE SEAT, AND THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY OR NECESSARILY NEED ANY OF THAT INCOME.

AND NOT THAT WE DO EITHER, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT IT SETS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CITY TO SHOW THAT WE'RE HERE TO MAKE THESE REVISIONS AND WE WANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT WANNA RUN FOR THE FUTURE.

'CAUSE HONESTLY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT SEEM TO BE WANTING TO STEP UP.

SO EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, AND I'M OPEN TO JUST, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFYING THIS TO SOME OTHER AMOUNT, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE 1200, I JUST USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S SETTING UP THE FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF FUTURE COUNCIL, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE THE YOUNGER GENERATION, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, WE'RE CYCLING THROUGH OUR OLDER GENERATION AS WE SPEAK.

PERFECT.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT REALLY CLEAR AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT THE, THE COUNCIL DOES PUT IN.

PERFECT.

AND WHETHER, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

SPEAKING OF TIME AND EFFORT, I, I, WHAT I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO IS IF, IF WE CAN MAYBE START RALLYING AROUND A POTENTIAL NUMBER AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A COMFORT LEVEL WITH NTE, UH, AS A CONCEPT.

SO, I DUNNO, COUNCILMAN BARRIOS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING DEFINITELY DIFFERENT, OR YOU, DID YOU HAVE A NUMBER YOU WANTED TO THROW? I LIKE YOUR IDEA THAT NTE, UM, I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO STRONG OPINION ON THIS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S OTHERS ON THE COUNCIL THAT AGREE WITH YOU.

THERE'S A COUPLE STRONG OPINIONS.

SO WHEN I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION, I'D SAY, OBVIOUSLY THEY DEBATED UPON THIS FOR HOURS, MOVE THAT FORWARD.

I DO THINK THAT'S A LITTLE HIGH OF A NUMBER, BUT IF WE, FOR A SAKE OF TIME, I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S NO STRONG OPINION, NO STRONG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, LET'S MOVE THAT FORWARD WHERE IT'S AT.

BUT NTE, JUST A NUMBER OUTTA MY BRAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST PULLING OUTTA THE AIR.

I, I THINK I'VE MADE 4,100 ON THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR, WHAT IT CAME OUT TO.

SO, AND CURRENTLY THE NTE IS 5,000.

SO IF WE TAKE THAT UP TO EIGHT, THAT'S KIND OF A NUMBER I'M PULLING OUTTA THE AIR.

IT'S KIND OF AN INBETWEEN NUMBER.

BUT

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AGAIN, I'M ALSO OPEN TO SENDING THIS AS IT IS TO THE VOTER, JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT STRONG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

FAIR ENOUGH.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, UH, YEAH, I, I AGREE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST REVERT BACK TO THE LANGUAGE THAT IT SHOULD BE PER MEETING.

AND THERE SHOULD BE A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER.

UM, TIED TO WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE DECIDE IS THAT 200 MEETING, 300, MEETING ONE 50, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.

I, I KNOW ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED BY YOU EARLIER, AND, AND I HEARD SOME, SOME, UH, UH, COLLABORATION OR AT LEAST AGREEMENT THERE IS THE, THERE'S A ONE 50 POTENTIALLY AS A WHAT, WHAT THE, UH, THE VALUE MIGHT BE TODAY COMPARED TO 10 YEARS AGO.

AND THE IDEA OF A FUTURE NUMBER OF 200.

SO ONE POSSIBILITY IS THAT WE SAID THE NOT TO EXCEED WOULD BE BE 200, WHICH WOULD GIVE COUNCILS THE ABILITY TO STAIR STEP UP OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS IF AND WHEN, AS WE SEE THE BUDGETS MAKING SENSE.

THAT'S A POSSIBLE APPROACH.

BUT I, LET ME, LET ME GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER.

I, I WOULD, I JUST, HOW WOULD THAT WORK IS MY QUESTION? SO, SO WE WOULD, UH, IT WOULD HAVE TO WRITE IT INTO THE CHARTER THAT THE NOT TO EXCEED IT WOULD BE, UH, THE $200 PER MEETING.

YOU WOULD, FUTURE COUNCILS WOULD DECIDE THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS DURING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO START AT ONE 50 WITH A $200 NOT TO EXCEED, UH, $200 PER MEETING, NOT TO EXCEED, WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WRITE, WRITE IT THAT WAY.

AND THEN EVERY YEAR, THE COUNCIL, JUST LIKE YOUR CONSIDER CITY SECRETARY, CITY MANAGER, OTHER, UH, SALARIES, YOU WOULD CONSIDER YOUR OWN SALARY.

MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD DO AN NTE OF 200, AND THEN AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH THIS BUDGET, OR ONCE WE HIT THIS, NOT THIS BUDGET, BUT THE BUDGET AFTER, I SUPPOSE WE COULD, WE COULD THEN PICK A NUMBER BASED ON WHAT WE SAW FROM THE BUDGET AND, AND WHAT WE SAW FROM, SO YOUR ELECTION WOULD BE IN NOVEMBER, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD GET THE APPROVAL IN NOVEMBER.

SO YOUR, YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO IMPLEMENT THIS, UH, IN A BUDGET WOULD BE FY 27, WHICH WOULD BE ADOPTED IN OCTOBER OF 26.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUL, YOU WERE NEXT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

? UH, NO, I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA NOT TO EXCEED OUR, OUR MEETING.

UH, THOSE ARE GOOD, BUT DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO CHANGE IT FROM 100 TO 200? WHY NOT LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT AS IS? I MEAN, WELL, IF WE DID AN NOT EXCEED 100 AND WE'RE ALREADY AT A HUNDRED, I MEAN, WHY EVEN BOTHER CHANGING IT? I MEAN, THIS IS MY OPINION.

JUST, UH, LEAVE IT AS IS MY OPINION.

BUT IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT, I MEAN, THIS IS, THOSE ARE REASONABLE, THESE ARE STILL TOKEN MONEY.

SO YES.

I JUST DON'T WANNA GIVE, I JUST DON'T WANNA GIVE WRONG MESSAGE OUTSIDE THAT THIS IS LIKE SIGNIFICANT THINGS.

OF COURSE NOT.

AND BIG RAISE.

WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT.

BUT I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PUT A PIN ON IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

I MEAN, I JUST WANNA SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S, WE TALK ABOUT GIVING OURSELVES A RAISE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANNA RUN.

WELL, MAYBE THEY WOULD WANNA RUN IF THE MONEY TO BE ON COUNCIL WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

UNDERSTOOD.

MAYBE, MAYBE SAY, OH, WELL, I DON'T WANNA RUN.

IT'S TOO MUCH TIME.

WELL, MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TIME IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN COMPENSATION.

SO I CAN GET BEHIND AN NTE OF 200 MEETING.

UM, NOT THAT MY VOTE IS GONNA MAKE OR BREAK ANYWAY.

GIVEN THE WAY THE SESSION'S GOING, BUT WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, I'M HOPING THIS IS OUR LAST COMMENT.

I DON'T, WELL, AS LONG AS WE START, DON'T START INTRODUCING MORE IDEAS, I'LL KEEP QUIET.

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING THAT KIND OF WORK ON STAFF, ON COUNCIL EVERY YEAR, UH, TO, TO INCREASE.

I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT.

WHEN I SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF NTE, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT ON A, UH, ON A 10 YEAR BASIS WHEN WE REVIEW THE CHARTER LIKE IT CURRENTLY IS.

OH.

SO I DO NOT SUPPORT THE NTE BEING IN, IN RELATION TO THE YEARLY, UH, WITH THE YEAH.

I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN JUSTICE.

YOU JUST SAID DEFAULT BACK TO THE LANGUAGE OF EV EVERY 10 YEARS.

WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE ON THAT NUMBER.

TO DO SOMETHING, I, I AGREE.

BUT IF WE CAN'T DECIDE QUICKLY, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD.

SO, UH, I PERSONALLY WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF ANY MOVEMENT UNLESS THERE'S AN NTE BECAUSE IF WE GIVE OURSELVES A RAISE AND WE SOMEHOW GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T GIVE OTHER PEOPLE A RAISE, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR ME.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY BEING OUTVOTED THERE, BUT, OR OUT CONSIDERED, SINCE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SO, SO MAYOR, THE OTHER, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO DO NOTHING.

YOU, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION.

UH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN SOME CONSENSUS DEVELOPING, BUT IF, IF THERE IS NO CONSENSUS DEVELOPING YOUR OTHER, AND I'LL JUST STOP THERE.

BUT YEAH, YOUR OTHER OPTION IS TO DO NOTHING WITH THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION.

AND REGARDING THE WORK, COUNCILMAN MARIOS, I MEAN, WE DO A BUDGET EVERY YEAR, SO THE WORK IS DONE, AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S A VERY QUICK LINE ITEM THAT, UH, ADJUSTS WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS IF WE DID DO IT AS AN NTE.

BUT IF THERE'S NOT, UH, CONSENSUS AROUND THAT, UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT AT LEAST ONE THAT SAYS DO NOTHING.

UM, ANY FINAL THOUGHTS? COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE? YEAH.

I MEAN, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY.

IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AROUND DO NOTHING, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

BUT IF THERE'S A DESIRE

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I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS TOO COMPLICATED.

THAT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT A, NOT TO EXCEED IT WAS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW, WHICH IS WE, YOU WILL NOT GET MORE THAN 5,200, UH, PER YEAR.

UM, AND THAT, THAT IS WHAT I WANTED FROM A NOT TO EXCEED, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A YEAR WHERE WE MEET 60 TIMES, WE CAN'T GET $6,000 THAT YEAR.

GOT IT.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A NOT TO EXCEED.

I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND IN FAIRNESS, THE COUNCIL HASN'T HAD A RAISE IN 10 YEARS.

UM, AND SO I, I APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT WE WOULDN'T WANNA GIVE OURSELVES A RAISE.

BUT I THINK BY LOOKING AT IT EVERY YEAR, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

AND IT MAKES IT WEIRD.

VERSUS JUST THIS ONE TIME GOING TO THE VOTERS AND SAYING, THERE'S NOT BEEN A RAISE IN 10 YEARS.

CPI SAYS, IT SHOULD BE $157.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TYING IT TO, OR WHATEVER.

SO I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY PERHAPS ONE 50.

ARE THERE THREE OTHERS THAT THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO THE ONE 50? OR, OR DO WE LEAVE IT ALONE? I HEAR ONE LEAVE IT ALONE.

I'VE GOT 1, 1 50.

ANYONE ELSE? I, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCIL OF JUSTICE.

GO TO ONE 50, GO TO ONE 50, SAYS TWO AT ONE 50, YOU GONNA LEAVE IT ALONE OR YOU'RE GONNA GO TO ONE 50? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

I MEAN, IF IT'S BETWEEN LEAVE IT ALONE AND ONE 50, THEN I MEAN, IT'S ONE 50.

BUT, ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, WHY ARE THOSE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS? I DON'T DECIDED I ONLY, ONLY BECAUSE, ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME COALESCING WELL, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.

LIKE, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE IDEAS.

PERHAPS WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AGAIN NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO OTHER SECTIONS AND SORT OF WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA REACH FAIR ENOUGH.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT IF, WHAT IF STAFF BRINGS BACK, BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WHAT IF WE BRING BACK ONE OR TWO OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND LAY IT OUT AS A PROPOSAL, AND THEN HAVE YOU, YOU REACT? LET'S DO THAT.

LET ME, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT'LL BE IMPORTANT PERHAPS, UM, IN THIS SECTION, BUT DEFINITELY OTHERS THAT WE TAKE THESE SEQUENTIALLY EVEN WITHIN THE ARTICLE.

SO, UM, I, I SKIPPED OVER.

IS, ARE, ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT 3 0 1 THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE? 3 0 1 IS NOT 3 0 1 WAS NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE CHANGED, NOR WAS 3 0 2.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, GREAT.

UH, THREE.

ARE ANY COMMENTS ON 3 0 3? MAYOR PRO? TIM? NO.

COUNCILMAN CHIME? ARE YOU PRESSING YOUR BUTTON? 3 0 6.

3 0 6.

SO 3 0 4.

WE WILL PREPARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU, UH, NEXT WEEK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

3 0 6 IS, UH, COUNCIL MISCONDUCT.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, SIR? I DO HAVE A LITTLE QUESTION ON THAT ONE.

UH, I'M JUST PLAYING, YOU KNOW, THE WORDING THINGS, YOU KNOW, A WILLFUL VIOLATION OF ANY PROVISION OF THIS CHARTER BY ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR TOGETHER? OR JUST THE P YES, IT'S BOTH.

BOTH BECAUSE WE HAVE SEPARATED MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

OTHER SECTION.

AND THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME DEFINED EARLIER.

IT'S, IT IS DEFINED.

AND WE'LL ALSO PUT THAT IN A PROPOSED SECTION PROVIDING DEFINITION OF SO BEING EASY REFERENCE.

I GOT IT.

GREAT.

SO, UM, AND, AND, UH, MAYOR, UH, DRAWING YOUR ATTENTION, 3 0 6 WAS THE CHARTER COMMISSION.

3 0 6.

AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL RED, THAT IS A CLARIFICATION AGAIN, UM, UH, REALLY ARTICULATING, UH, THE COMPLAINT OR CHARGE AND HOW, UM, IT WOULD BE, UH, MADE AND THEN HOW IT WOULD BE HANDLED.

AND, UM, THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

UM, OKAY.

SO 3 0 7, 3 0 8 AND 3 0 9.

YES, SIR.

JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION THAT I'M, I'M STILL NOT QUITE CLEAR ON IS, IS IT SAYS HERE THAT ANY COMPLAINT OR CHARGE OF OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT AGAINST A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE MADE IN WRITING AND FILED, BUT IT DOESN'T, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE, BUT THAT BEFORE WE WOULD GO INTO A, I GUESS A HEARING THAT THERE'S ANY KIND OF, I, I'M NOT SEEING ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S LIKE AN INVESTIGATION.

SO IF TOMORROW I JUST SIMPLY SAID, HEY, I WANNA FILE A CHARGE AGAINST COUNCILMAN X.

I'M JUST GONNA USE X 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY ANYBODY.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF REVIEW BEFORE WE IMMEDIATELY GO INTO A HEARING.

AND WE PUT THE ONUS ON THAT, ON THAT COUNSEL PERSON TO, IF I'M READING, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS, TO PRE PRESENT EVIDENCE IN HIS OR HER DEFENSE, I MEAN, I, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF INVESTIGATION TO SAY THERE'S A VALIDITY TO THE CHARGE.

FROM STANDPOINT OF I BELIEVE YOU'RE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

BECAUSE IN ESSENCE, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, ANYBODY COULD, COULD COME FORTH AND SAY, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CHARGE OF MISCONDUCT AND THEN THE WHOLE SPOTLIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST, TO ME IT READS A LITTLE BIT, PARDON, PARDON ME FOR, THIS MAY BE A LITTLE STRONG, BUT UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, YOU'RE GUILTY UNTIL YOU CAN PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT.

AND SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.

'CAUSE I STRUGGLE WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT.

PETE, SMILING.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SAID.

I'M, I DON'T REMEMBER YET.

WE, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AT THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT.

SO, UH, WE, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN ALL THESE WAS TRY NOT TO REWRITE THE WHOLE SECTION UNLESS WE NO, I UNDERSTAND.

ABSOLUTELY.

HAD TO.

SO WE TRIED TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING LANGUAGE AND, UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD IN THERE THAT THERE'LL BE AN INVESTIGATION, THEN THE QUESTION IS INVESTIGATION BY WHO.

AND THEN, UH, NOTICE, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS CAPTURE THE MINIMUM OF DUE DUE PROCESS THAT'S IN THERE.

ALL IT SAYS IS THAT THAT'S A GROUNDS AND A, A WILLFUL VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER MAY BE GROUNDS FOR MISCONDUCT.

THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.

AND SO, SO, SO WE'RE HERE, WE'RE HERE TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES YOU WANT.

AND, AND IF I'M THE ONLY ONE FEELING THIS WAY, Y'ALL, SOMEONE ELSE SAY SOMETHING AND I'LL, AND I'LL STOP.

I'M WITH YOU.

SO I'M, I'M JUST, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN BECAUSE LITERALLY ANYONE COULD STEP FORWARD TONIGHT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK COUNCIL PERSON X WILL WILLFULLY, UH, THEY HAVE TO SWEAR IT BEFORE A NOTARY PUBLIC.

SO IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PERJURE THEMSELVES, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE.

BUT MM-HMM.

I A AGREED.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, SO, UH, MAYOR PRO, THE OTHER, THE OTHER POINT I'LL MAKE, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, SIMILAR TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE IS THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, CAN TAKE THAT, THE COUNCIL CAN RECEIVE THAT REPORT.

AND IF THE COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT IT'S NOT VALID AND THERE'S NO NEED TO PROCEED, THEN THAT'S FINE AS WELL.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN, IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER A PUBLIC HEARING IN WHICH A COUNCIL PERSON HAS TO DEFEND THEMSELF.

IF YOU RECEIVE A, IF YOU RECEIVE A COMPLAINT AND YOU LOOK AT IT ON ITS FACE, YOU DETERMINE THERE'S NO ISSUE.

AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING DOESN'T NEED TO BE HELD SO THAT THAT PERSON CAN DEFEND THEMSELF.

YOU CAN JUST DISMISS THE COMPLAINT.

THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.

OR, OR ASK, I DON'T READ THAT IN HERE THOUGH, OR ASK FOR THAT.

THE, THAT, THAT BE INVESTIGATED.

SO I, I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T READ THAT IN HERE.

TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OUR HANDS ARE VERY TI TIED THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN.

DO, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

ALL IT'S DOING IS GIVING YOU A GROUNDS FOR MISCONDUCT.

A VIOLATION OF THE CHARGE IS GROUNDS FOR MISCONDUCT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.

IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PUT IN WRITING SWORN TO BY THE PERSON COMPLAINING.

CORRECT.

AND THEN IT SAYS, THAT PERSON WHO'S ACCUSED OF IT WILL BE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE A COPY OF AND CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES MINIMUM DUE PROCESS.

IF YOU WANNA ORDER INVESTIGATION OR IF THE COUNSEL FINDS IT'S CRAZY.

WE, WE, WE, WE, WE OBJECT THIS COMPLAINT ALTOGETHER.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE DETAILED MECHANISMS IN THERE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT IF YOU WANT, MUCH LIKE YOU, I DO, I GUESS I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF IT SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, COUNSEL HAS THE RIGHT TO, TO, UM, CALL FOR AN INVESTIGATION OR, OR, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT PRIOR TO THIS, THIS OFFICIAL HEARING WHERE THE, THE COUNCIL PERSON WHO'S CHARGED HAS TO PRESENT EVIDENCE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE CODE OF ETHICS.

EXACTLY.

UNDERSTOOD.

THAT, THAT, AND AGAIN, I'M RECOGNIZED, I'M ONE VOTE.

SO IF ANYBODY FEELS DIFFERENTLY, PLEASE JUMP IN.

OR, OR WE COULD JUST REFERENCE THE CODE OF ETHICS, AND THEN AS WE CHANGE THE CODE OF ETHICS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD FALL INTO IT.

WELL, BUT THIS, THIS, THIS IS, I MEAN, A VIOLATION OF THIS CHARTER DOESN'T NECESSARILY THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

SO WHAT, WHAT LET US DO THIS.

UM, I, THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE MAY BE A STEP BETWEEN THE RED HIGHLIGHTED AREA AND THE LAST SENTENCE.

YES.

AND SO, LET IT, LET US GO BACK.

LET US GO BACK.

AND NOW THE ETHICS MAYOR WILL BE A GREAT, COULD BE A GREAT MODEL.

'CAUSE THE ETHICS CODE IS VERY ARTICULATE ABOUT HOW THESE WILL BE, I MEAN, STEP BY STEP MM-HMM .

AND SO, UM, UH, MAYOR PROTO, UM, IF THAT'S AGREEABLE, WE WILL, WE'LL TAKE THAT AS HOMEWORK AND THAT'LL BE A FOLLOW UP FOR NEXT WEEK AS WELL.

COUNCILOR BAR.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT COUNT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM IS STATING.

SO I DO WANNA SAY THAT I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THE WORDING THERE, BUT YOU GUYS I'M SURE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT.

UH, I DO HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION QUESTION HERE.

UM, WHICH, WHICH SECTION? UH, ON THE SECTION WHERE DISCUSSION 3.06.

OTHER, OR GIVING THE COUNSEL THE OPTION TO DECIDE, I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED.

THE, WHEN, WHEN, HOW HAS THIS PROCESS HAPPENED? LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN HUTCHIN.

BRADER BRINGS A CONCERN ABOUT SUBJECT X.

COUNCILMAN I OR MYSELF? HE HAS, HE HAS AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING I DID.

HE WANTS, HE, HE BELIEVES THERE SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION.

IS THAT HAPPENING? EXECUTIVE SESSION.

DOES THIS HAPPEN? AN OPEN SESSION? CAN WE HAVE CLARIFICATION AROUND WHAT THAT IS? IS IT UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE THAT? BECAUSE IT'S A PERSONNEL ISSUE, I FEEL LIKE WHETHER IT'S ONE OR THE

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UNLESS THAT'S CLARIFIED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND I MISSED THAT.

CAN I GET WELL, THE VOTE, THE VOTE WOULD ULTIMATELY, THE VOTE WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE TAKEN IN PUBLIC.

COULD THEY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND THEN COME OUT? I WOULD RATHER NOT.

I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A COUNCIL THAT GOES ROGUE OR DOES SOMETHING, TRY TO DO SOMETHING IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT SHOULD BE DONE PUBLIC.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A PUBLIC WAY.

IS WHERE I'M COMING WITH THIS IN THE SPIRIT, WHICH I'M ASKING.

IT ACTUALLY WOULD GO IN UNDER, UNDER, YOU COULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER PERSONNEL.

'CAUSE IT'S AN OFFICIAL, AND IT'S MISCONDUCT AGAINST THAT SPECIFICALLY NAMED, OFFICIAL.

SO THAT OFFICIAL'S NAME WOULD APPEAR ON, ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT OFFICIAL COULD THEN WAIVE THEIR RIGHT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND SAY, I WANT THIS TO BE IN PUBLIC.

BUT IT'S THAT OFFICIAL'S RIGHT.

TO EITHER GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION OR THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE IT IN PUBLIC.

AND WHERE, WHERE'S THAT? WHERE, HOW WOULD I, AS AN OFFICIAL KNOW THAT WE DID YOU MEAN, WHERE'S THAT LAW? OR WHAT'S THAT? IS THAT STATE LAW? YEAH.

STATE LAW.

IT'S, YEAH.

IT'S BASICALLY UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE GOVERNMENT IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE.

UH, THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, 3 0 7, 3 0 8, OR 3 0 9.

ANYTHING FROM THE COUNCIL? UH, THREE 10 IS A SIMPLE CHANGE.

UH, THERE WAS CITIZEN, UM, UH, CITIZENS OF THE CITY WERE REFERRED TO THREE TIMES IN THE CHARTER, UH, IN TWO LOCATIONS, INCLUDING THREE 10.

UH, WE FELT THE PUBLIC WAS MORE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, OF, OF, UH, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE.

AND I'LL COVER THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS AS WE GET THERE.

UM, UH, THREE 13, UH, WAS, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MODERNIZING THE LANGUAGE.

UH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, MORE THAN ANYTHING, JUST KIND OF, UM, CLARIFYING WHO IS AUTHORIZED TO SERVE IT.

SO INSTEAD OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, UH, OR POLICE OFFICERS, UH, ANY PERSON AUTHORIZED TO SERVE.

AND THEN, UH, THE PROPOSED ADMIN, ADMIN, UH, OR A CHANGE TO THREE 14, UH, IS TO ELIMINATE IT.

UH, STAFF PROPOSED STRIKING THIS LANGUAGE BECAUSE THIS AUTHORITY IS ARTICULATED IN STATE LAW.

AND THIS, UH, THREE 14 IS ANTIQUATED, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, PROVIDING THAT, UH, THAT AUTHORITY.

UH, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, UH, THREE 15.

THERE WERE NO CHANGES.

SO, MR. MAGNAR MM-HMM .

THREE 14, UM, STATE, WAS THAT SOMETHING REAL RECENT STATE LAW CHANGE? AND WHAT IS THAT AUTHORITY? IT'S, IT WASN'T A RECENT STATE LAW CHANGE.

IT'S JUST A VERY , IT'S, IT'S IN THE ELECTION CODE, AND IT'S VARIED FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT IT'S A, IT'S AN HISTORICAL PROVISION THAT MANY CHARTERS HAVE HAD OVER, OVER THE YEARS.

AND SO IT WOULD BE TRUE IF THAT PERSON IS LISTED IN THAT STATUTE OR AS A NOTARY.

AND SINCE IT'S ALREADY COVERED BY STATE LAW, THERE'S NO NECESSITY TO HAVE IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT A RECENT CHANGE.

IT'S JUST A VERY OUTDATED SECTION.

SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I WILL, UH, DEFER TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE ON FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

WE CAN DO THAT MAYBE TO EIGHT 30 AND SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD FOR GOOD PLAN? OKAY.

UH, ARTICLES, DON, I JUST WANNA MAKE CORRECTION.

IT WAS 6 0 2, THE OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE.

GOVERNMENT CODE, NOT THE ELECTION OF CODE.

THANKS, PETE.

APPRECIATE THAT.

SIMPLY CLARIFYING, SIMPLIFYING THE LANGUAGE.

UH, ARTICLE FOUR, NO CHANGE TO 4 0 1.

4 0 2.

UH, SIMPLY, UH, 4 0 2 AND 4 0 4, UH, MAKING THEM CONGRUENT AND ALIGNED.

UH, ADDING THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR DISTRICT PLACES, UH, THAT, THAT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR AT LEAST ONE YEAR PRIOR.

UM, AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, AND, UH, 4 0 3, THE ONLY OTHER CHANGE WAS ADDING CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UH, TO 4 0 3, WHICH IS ONE WORD, QUALIFIED VOTERS FROM ALL DISTRICTS OF THE CITY.

UH, NO OTHER CHANGES IN IN ARTICLE FOUR.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? EXCELLENT.

UH, NO, UH, ONE CHANGE TO 5 0 1.

UH, JUST, UH, CLARIFYING QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY TAKING OUT ELECTORS, QUALIFIED TO VOTE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY IS THE CONSISTENT LANGUAGE YOU'LL FIND THROUGHOUT.

UH, AND THEN, UM, SECTION, UH, 5 0 2.

UH, HERE YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND CITIZENS, UM, UH, UM, CHANGED, UH, TO RESIDENTS, PETITIONING RESIDENTS, NOT PETITIONING CITIZENS.

RESIDENTS CAN SIGN THE PETITION, NOT JUST ANY CITIZEN NECESSARILY.

THAT'S IN SECTION 5 0 3.

UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE.

THAT, UM, IS THE ONLY OTHER CHANGE IN ARTICLE FIVE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES OR ANY, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY OF THE OTHER SECTIONS IN, IN ARTICLE FIVE, COUNCILMAN BAR.

UH, MR. MAGER, WHAT WAS THE, UM, THE 5 0 1 QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY? THAT IS ANYBODY WHO'S QUALIFIED TO REGISTER FOR A VOTE.

CORRECT.

IT'S REGISTERED VOTERS.

REGISTERED VOTER, AND QUALIFIED VOTERS ARE THE SAME.

WE HAD CHANGED IT TO QUALIFIED VOTERS IN 2015.

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AND SO WE DIDN'T CATCH ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT, CLEAN IT UP.

BUT QUALIFIED VOTER IS SOMEONE WHO'S ELIGIBLE VOTE IN THE CITY.

AND NOT JUST ELIGIBLE VOTE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, 50 AND HAVE NEVER VOTED.

REGISTERED VOTER.

IT'S A REGISTERED VOTE.

THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS WE WILL LIKELY ADD TO THE DEFINITIONS SECTION.

A VERY IMPORTANT CHAPTER, ARTICLE SIX, UH, CITY MANAGER, UM, UH, 6 0 1.

UH, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, REMOVING A CITY MANAGER WAS, UH, RE RELOCATED TO SECTION 6 0 4, WHICH IS REMOVAL, UH, SECTION 6 0 2.

UH, WE JUST ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UH, OF THE CITY.

UM, NO CHANGE IN SECTION, UH, 6 0 3.

SECTION 6 0 4 IS THE REMOVAL.

AGAIN, JUST RELOCATED THE LANG LANGUAGE FROM 6 0 1 AND OFFERED SOME CLARIFICATION.

UM, FURTHER, UM, 6 0 5, UH, WAS SIMPLY ADDING CLARIFYING LANGUAGE AS, AS WELL.

I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT 6 0 4.

UM, THIS WAS ONE I KNOW WE SPOKE OF.

'CAUSE I HAD QUESTIONS ON CLARIFYING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I GUESS WAS ASKED, AND I WAS THINKING OF, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE, LET'S SEE, WHERE'S THE LINE? UM, IT'S THE SECOND LINE, 6 0 4, UNLESS PROVIDED IN AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT BY THE CITY MANAGER.

SO WE AS A COUNCIL, HAVE ABILITY TO REMOVE A CITY MANAGER BY A MAJORITY VOTE.

WHICH IS CURRENTLY FOUR OUTTA SEVEN.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE CERTAIN CITY MANAGERS, WHICH, UM, THAT ADDED INTO THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY NEED A SUPER MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO BE REMOVED, WHICH ADDS SIX.

UH, I DO WANNA STATE THAT I AM NOT A FAN OF THAT IN ANY 'CAUSE.

THERE ARE SO MANY WITHIN A, ANY CONTRACT, ESPECIALLY AT THIS LEVEL OF AN EXECUTIVE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PROTECT, OBVIOUSLY, CITY MANAGER AS A PROFESSIONAL.

UH, THAT, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A BALANCING WITH PROTECTING THE CITIZENS.

UH, AND, AND THE INVESTMENT THEY HAVE IN OUR CITY.

SO I AM NOT A FAN OF ADDING THE OR THE LINE UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A PRIMARILY VOLUNTEER COUNSEL, UM, HAVING THAT PROVISION FOR, UH, FUTURE COUNCILS TO ADD THAT INTO A CITY MANAGER CONTRACT IS A CONCERN OF MINE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A VOLUNTEER COUNCIL, REALITY IS YOU DO DEPEND HEAVILY ON STAFF.

AND THAT GOES THROUGH A CITY MANAGER IN A, IN A, IN A GOVERNMENT STYLE THAT WE HAVE.

SO BY ADDING THAT LINE OF HAVING THAT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I'M CONCERNED OF, OF OUR CURRENCY MANAGER, UH, BUT FUTURE CITY MANAGERS, FUTURE COUNCILS, IF THAT WERE ADDED TO A CON TO A CONTRACT THAT ALMOST REMOVES SOME OF THE POWER OF THE COUNCIL.

AND THE ONE POWER, ONE OF THE FEW POWERS THAT COUNCIL HAS IS THE APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL OF A CITY MANAGER FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PROCESS.

SO IF I CAN ADD A, BEFORE WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, IF I CAN ONLY ADD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, COUNCILMAN BARRIO, SUBSEQUENT TO OUR DISCUSSION, I, I WENT BACK AND FURTHER EVALUATED THIS.

TH THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, UM, A CITY, A CITY MAN.

THIS DOES NOT SPEAK TO US.

THIS SECTION WHERE IT SAYS, UNLESS OTHERWISE, PROVIDED IN AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY MANAGER, IF THE CITY MANAGER IS REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY A VOTE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, AFTER SERVING THE FIRST THREE MONTHS FOLLOWING APPOINTMENT TO OFFICE, THE CITY MANAGER MAY DEMAND WRITTEN CHARGES.

SO ALL, ALL THIS IS SAYING IS THAT UNLESS IT'S OTHERWISE STATED IN THE CONTRACT, THAT'S NOT A LATITUDE THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE, THAT IF HE'S WORTH THREE MONTHS, HE CAN DEMAND THAT IT BE IN CHARGES.

THIS, THIS, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED, I DON'T READ IT AT ALL AS IT APPLIES TO THE FIRST BULLET.

I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT PETE AND I WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER.

UM, UH, AGAIN, NOT, NOT, NOT, UH, FULLY APPRECIATING THE, THE POINT OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION THAT NIGHT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, ONLY REFERS TO THE FACT THAT, UM, IF THE MANAGER WORKS THREE MONTHS, THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, JUST LIKE YOU AS A COUNCIL PERSON, WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, NO, I WANT THIS TO BE DONE IN PUBLIC.

THAT MANAGER HAS THE RIGHT TO, TO SAY THE SAME THING THAT THEY WANT THAT TO BE HEARD IN PUBLIC NOW.

BUT LET ME MAKE CLEAR, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT A COUNSEL, YOU, YOU, OR A FUTURE COUNSEL FROM NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT WITH A MANAGER THAT SAYS IT REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY, NOTHING PROHIBITS THAT TODAY, AND NOTHING IS BEING PROPOSED THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT.

THIS, THIS EXCLUSIVELY TALKS ABOUT THE MANAGER'S RIGHT TO HAVE THESE CHARGES IN PUBLIC.

THAT'S ALL THAT ALL THAT'S ALL THIS ADDITION REFERS TO WITH YOUR EXPLANATION.

I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

UH, CITY, CITY ATTORNEY.

CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THAT IS YES.

YES.

THERE WAS AGREEMENT AND THAT'S, YES, I AGREE WITH THE INTERPRETATION AND THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE.

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UM, AGAIN, 6 0 5 ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UM, TO THE POWERS AND DUTIES.

UH, NOTHING, UM, OF ANY CONSEQUENCE.

UH, LET ME TURN THIS, UH, SECTION OVER AND THIS MAY BE A GOOD ONE.

UH, UH, THIS NEXT COUPLE HERE MAY BE A GOOD ONE TO END ON.

UM, MR. UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK, UM, UM, MR. GODA, UH, TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT, UH, ABOUT 6 0 6 AND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE FOUND, UM, THAT I THINK MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO YOU.

SO, JOE, LET ME THROW IT TO YOU.

SO, UH, SO STARTING WITH 6 0 6, BOND OF THE CITY MANAGER.

SO THIS, THIS SECTION AS IT STANDS TODAY, SETS OUT BASICALLY THE MINIMUM THE CITY CHARTER SETS OUT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE SURETY BOND, UM, FOR THE CITY MANAGER, JUST SPECIFICALLY THE CITY, THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION.

BUT CURRENTLY, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SURETY BOND REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TODAY FOR THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY HAS IN PLACE, WHICH IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CHARTER, BUT THE CITY ALSO HAS IN PLACE A CRIMES POLICY AND AN ERRORS AND ADMISSIONS POLICY.

BOTH OF THOSE POLICIES, THE CRIMES POLICY AND THE ERRORS OF ADMISSIONS POLICY, UNLIKE THE SURETY COVER, ALL EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE CITY COVERS ALL THE EMPLOYEES.

THE AS SURETY BOND HAS TO BE NAMED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE SURETY BOND'S ABOUT $350 EACH.

SO IT WOULD BE THREE 50 FOR EACH EMPLOYEE.

THE POLICIES WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY COVER ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES.

NOW, THE SURETY BOND DISTINCTION, IT SEEKS THAT RESTITUTION AGAINST THAT, SPECIFICALLY NAMED EMPLOYEE OF THE PERSON OF THE SURETY BOND IS COVERING, UM, THE CRIMES POLICY AND THE HEIRS AND OMISSIONS POLICY.

THEY DO NOT PRECLUDE THE CITY, THE CITY GOING BACK IN FROM SEEKING RECOVERY FROM BOTH, UM, THE EMPLOYEE EITHER, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A CIVIL ACTION OR A CRIMINAL ACTION.

SAME WITH THE SURETY BOND, THE SURETY, WE COULD ALWAYS GO BACK THROUGH, THROUGH A, A CRIMINAL ACTION IF WE WANT TO, AND, AND, AND BASICALLY SEEK RECOVERY FROM THAT EMPLOYEE.

A LOT OF TIMES, WHETHER IT'S THE INSURANCE COMPANY OR IT'S THE CITY, WE PROBABLY MAY NOT, WE MAY NOT BE GOING BACK AND SEEKING RESTITUTION 'CAUSE THEY NOT, MAY NOT HAVE ANY MONEY.

SO IT MAY NOT BE WORTH THE WORTH THE TIME.

BUT CURRENTLY THIS SETS THE MINIMUM, THE SURETY BOND, WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE TO THAT ALSO ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL LIABILITY, WHICH THEN WOULD PICK UP THE, WOULD PICK UP THE ERRORS AND ADMISSIONS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL CRIME POLICY.

BUT BOTH THOSE ARE, ARE MANAGEMENT DECISIONS TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL POLICIES.

SO, DO, DO, DO THESE OTHER POLICIES INCLUDE, UM, WILLFUL, SO I KNOW ERRORS AND OMISSIONS.

I, I BELIEVE DO NOT, DOES NOT, SO DOES THE OTHER, THE, THE CRIME PO THE CRIME POLICY WILL COVER, UM, WILL COVER, WILL, WILL WE'LL COVER WILLFUL VIOLATIONS LIKE FORGERIES, UM, MONEY ORDERS, COUNTERFEIT MONIES, STOLEN MONEY FUND TRANSFER FRAUDS.

SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD COVER THOSE, THOSE WILLFUL.

UM, AND JOE, TALK ABOUT THE, TALK ABOUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CRIME POLICY VERSUS THE SURETY BOND.

SO, SO, OH, MAGNITUDE OF COVERAGE.

SO, YEAH.

SO THE, SO CRIME POLICY IS, UM, $5 MILLION.

SO YOU HAVE A, YOUR CRIMES POLICY COVERAGE, YOU UP TO $5 MILLION.

THE SURETY FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY MANAGER IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

UM, THE ERRORS IN ADMISSIONS IS A, UH, IS A, UH, BASICALLY A 10 MILLION, $10 MILLION FOR EACH WRONGFUL ACT WITH A $10 MILLION, 10 MILLION ANNUAL AGGREGATE.

SO OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE AND, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE.

SO HEARING THAT CLARIFICATION, DO WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS DOWN THERE? OKAY.

WE STILL HAVE, I I, MY ONLY QUESTION IS DO WE NEED THE SURETY BOND THEN? ARE WE NOT BETTER? I MEAN, WOULD ONE, I MEAN, DO WE THEN GET INTO THE WHOLE SUBROGATION ISSUE IF WE HAVE A SURETY BOND? AND SO WOULD THE, SO WOULD THE CRIMES POLICY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE A SURETY BOND, SO YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT AND YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA COVER YOU 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THAT SURETY BOND.

SO DO WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE SURETY BONDS SO WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF COVERAGE FOR EVERYONE WITHIN THE CITY? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M ASKING? UM, YEAH.

IT, IT DOES.

AND I THINK HAVING THE SURETY BONDS, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT INSURANCE COVERAGE IS GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE.

SO THIS JUST SETS THAT MINIMUM.

AND, AND SO I THINK HAVING THAT SURETY IN THERE AT LEAST IS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

AND IT'S THREE, AND IT'S ONLY ON THE CITY MANAGER AT $350 RIGHT NOW.

UM, ALTHOUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE CRIMES POLICY WILL COVER MANY OF THE SAME THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT SURETY BOND COVERS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF THE SURETY, IF UNDER THE CRIMES POLICY, IF THE SURETY BOND HAS TO PAY FIRST OR IF YOU HAVE A SURETY, IT, IT, IT HAS AN EFFECT ON THE, ON THE CRIMES POLICY.

CAN WE JUST GET THAT UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING? ALMOST? MAYBE IF WE COULD GET THAT CLARIFICATION.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

I THINK COUNCILMAN, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, THIS, AGAIN, IS KIND OF A HISTORICAL PROVISION THAT YOU FIND IN CITY CHARTERS.

AND SO, UH, CHARTERS HAVE NOT KEPT UP NECESSARILY WITH TIME AND DON'T WANNA CHANGE IT BECAUSE, OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE SURETY.

WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND IS THAT, THAT, UH, YOU, IF IT'S INSURANCE, THEY WILL PROBABLY BE SUBROGATED, THEY'LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO AFTER THE WRONGDOER OR WHOEVER IT MAY BE BOTH.

IT COULD BE CIVIL

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AND CRIMINAL.

AND THE, AND THE, THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THE COMMISSION WAS ABOUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SURETY, THEY GO AFTER THE WRONGDOER AND HAVING NEITHER POLICY, NEITHER INSURANCE OR SURETY IS NECESSARILY GONNA TOUR A WRONGDOER FROM DOING WRONG.

NO, I AGREE THAT, SO COUNCILMAN BARSS.

UH, WHEN WE TOUCHED ON THIS, OH, WAS THAT LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO? WAS THAT LAST WEEK? LAST WEEK? MM-HMM .

REQUEST WEEKS AGO AT THIS POINT.

EXACTLY.

IT WAS REQUESTED A COMPARISON AND, UH, OR GRAPHIC SHOWING, BECAUSE I THINK WE STRUGGLED AS A COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE MINOR DIFFERENCES.

THOSE OF US THAT DON'T DEAL WITH INSURANCE ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND I WILL GLADLY SAY, YOU KNOW, COUNT ME TO THE LIST.

NOBODY ELSE WANTS ADD, BUT CAN WE, IF WE'RE TABLING THIS, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD, I AGREE.

WE NEED, WE NEED SOMETHING.

WE, WE, WE NEED, WE, WE NEED A GRAPHIC, WE NEED A COMPARISON.

WE, WE, I THINK WE MADE THAT CLEAR WHEN WE SPOKE ON THIS LAST WEEK, AND I DON'T SEE THAT TODAY.

AND I, I THINK THE, I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE THE HOLE IS.

IS THERE, IS THERE EXPOSURE IF WE DON'T DO THIS OR IF WE DO DO THIS, THAT'S ULTIMATELY I THINK WHAT WE WANT CLARIFICATION ON, IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.

WE, MAYOR, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU AND MAYBE COUNCIL, KEEP IN MIND THAT MAYBE THIS IS MORE, UH, OF A POLICY OR MANAGEMENT ISSUE ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL WITH THE MANAGER AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

SO THINK OF THAT IN THAT TERMS. DO WE REALLY NEED THE, THIS PROVISION IN THERE OR JUST SET THE MINIMUMS IN THERE AND THEN YOU DEAL WITH IT ON THE CITY MANAGER? I, I, ON CASE BY CASE BASIS.

HOLD ON ONE SEC.

CONFIDENCE THAT THE OTHER INSURANCE COVERS AND SUPERSEDES WHATEVER THIS SURETY BOND IS.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UH, NO, JUST FOLLOWING UP.

I, I WAS THE ONE THAT REQUESTED THE COMPARISON LAST WEEK.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE.

WHAT DOES EACH COVER? UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHAT AMOUNTS ARE EACH OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

I, I THINK THAT TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARR'S POINT, MOST ARE NOT INSURANCE PROFESSIONALS UP HERE.

WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.

SO WE NEED A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF WHAT THESE ARE, SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER MAYBE IT IS AN ANTIQUATED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS POLICY IS IRRELEVANT AND WE DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.

AND SO WE'LL JUST DO THE, THE, UH, POL POLICY, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.

COUNCILMAN MURPHY.

UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

YEAH, I MEAN, COMPARISON DEFINITELY, UH, WOULD HELP ALSO THE SAME TIME, IT'S NOT JUST THE COMPARISON THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT TRIGGERS WHAT THE MECHANISM OF THAT BOND, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE WOULD NOT BE A ITY BOND AND OTHER BOND.

SO THERE IS SOMETHING THAT EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN MECHANISM THAT HOW IT ACTUALLY FUNCTION.

SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND THEN WHEN YOU SAID THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS THE LIMIT, IS THAT BY DEFAULT, A HUNDRED THOUSAND LIMIT? OR IT COULD BE MILLION DOLLAR PURCHASE SEPARATELY, 350, PROBABLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

BUT IF YOU SAY, OKAY, IF YOU WANNA GET MILLION, THE PREMIUM WOULD BE MORE THAN THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR THIS IS HOW IT IS? YEAH.

I MEAN, IF, IF, IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PURCHASE A SURETY BOND FOR, WITH A GREATER, UM, WITH A GREATER LIMIT THAT, THAT, YES, THAT'S POSSIBLE.

SO THERE IS, SO, SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT 350 AND 100,000 MAX, SO, SO ALSO THOSE KIND OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE OPTION THERE? OR THIS IS THE DEAD END BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE INFORMATION WOULD HELP THE COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISION AND PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.

SO, SO JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON MY PART.

NOBODY'S SUGGESTING THAT FOR 350,000 OR $350, WE SHOULD TAKE THE SURETY BOND OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CHARTER FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

I THINK WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN ASKED IS TO CONSIDER DOING THAT FOR 25 TO 30 ADDITIONAL STAFF, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THE CLARITY IS, IN MY OPINION, THE CLARITY IS THAT THE CRIMES POLICY WILL COVER THE SAME, PROVIDES THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS PROVIDES THE SAME COVERAGE, BUT UP TO A MUCH HIGHER LIMIT.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ALL THE INSURANCE DETAILS YOU WANT SIDE BY SIDE, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UH, UNDER THE CRIMES POLICY, OUR, OUR INSURER HAS TOLD US THAT WHETHER IT'S CRIMINAL OR CIVIL, THAT THEY CAN GO AFTER A PERPETRATOR TO A AND RECUPERATE A GREAT, A MUCH GREATER AMOUNT THAN A SURETY MINE COULD.

AND SO WE'RE, THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER.

WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING TO TAKE THIS, TAKE THIS OUT.

I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF WE WANNA JUST SPEND $350 A YEAR AND HAVE THE SURETY BOND, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT.

I THINK WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DISTINGUISH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER SECTION, THERE WAS A WHOLE NOTHER, UH, REQUEST TO HAVE, AGAIN, 25 TO 30 ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES HAVE A SURETY BOND.

AND ALL WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY ARE COVERED UP TO $5 MILLION TODAY AND CAN BE CRIMINALLY UNCIVILLY, UM, GOING AFTER PERSONALLY.

UM, SO I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE ALL THE DETAILS, BUT I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO BE NON-RESPONSIVE, BUT IT'S A PRETTY CLEAR VALUE PROPOSITION, I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT, OR FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS LONG AS YOU CAN SAY WITH VERY HIGH LEVEL OF

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I, I, FOR ME AT LEAST, THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE.

WE DO HAVE A GOAL OF ENDING THIS SECTION IN TWO MINUTES.

SO SORRY MAYOR PROAM, GO AHEAD.

JUST, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I WANNA GO BACK TO WHAT DON'S SAYING.

WHAT WE, WHAT HAS BEEN SAID TO ME BY THE PUBLIC IS IF THE CRIMES, IF IT WILL REIMBURSE THE CITY MM-HMM .

AND IF WE HAVE A SURETY BOND, FOR EXAMPLE, ON YOU, AND YOU DO SOMETHING, THEN DOES THAT CRIMES INSURANCE SAY, WELL, SORRY, YOU HAVE A SURETY BOND, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S ALL THAT YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER INSURANCE.

I UNDERSTAND.

KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU GET HEALTH INSURANCE, RIGHT? YOU GET MULTIPLE LAYERS OF HEALTH INSURANCE, OFTENTIMES THEY'LL SAY, NO, SORRY, YOU HAVE ONE.

YOU, YOU NEED TO BE COVERED UNDER THAT POLICY AND YOUR OTHER POLICIES WON'T KICK IN.

SO THAT WAS WHAT WE, OR AT LEAST I WAS ASKED BY THE PUBLIC AND THAT, THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I WANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YES, SIR.

COUNCILMAN CORCORAN.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD AND SUGGEST IS THAT OTHER, OTHER SORT OF OVERLAPPING LAYERS OF COVERAGE TO PETE'S POINT, THIS IS ALSO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CITY.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

AND IT MAY, IT ALMOST TOO SPECIFIC FOR THE CONSTITUTION, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY DEBATE AT ANOTHER SESSION OVER A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ORDINANCE.

I, I THINK THAT TAKES US, UM, JUST QUICKLY, UM, I JUST, WE WILL FINISH ON SEVEN AND EIGHT VERY QUICKLY.

UH, SEVEN, UH, 7 0 3 IS JUST TO MODERNIZE THE, THE LANGUAGE.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, VERY MINOR CHANGES.

7 0 5 IS TO REMOVE THE COMPENSATION FOR THE, THE JUDGE, THE ALTERNATE JUDGE, PROSECUTOR, UM, MAYOR COUNSEL.

THESE SALARIES ARE SET IN YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET EACH YEAR.

SO WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET, JUST LIKE FOR EVERY OTHER CITY EMPLOYEE OR POTENTIALLY EVEN CONTRACTOR, YOU'RE APPROVING THE COMPENSATION.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY, A VERY SMALL TWEAK TO 8 0 3, WHICH IS, UH, JUST CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, UM, AND MODERNIZING LANGUAGE FROM DEPARTMENT ESTIMATES OR OPERATING BUDGET.

SO, UM, MAYOR, UH, PLEASE, THE COUNCIL WILL STOP ON ARTICLE EIGHT AND PICK UP, UH, WITH, UM, THE HOMEWORK ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT.

AND, UH, ARTICLE NINE NEXT MONDAY.

SOUNDS GOOD.

MAYOR PROTO, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR ARE YOU GOOD? OH, I'M SORRY.

NO, NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

ALRIGHT,

[7. REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE AND BOARD LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS ]

UM, REVIEW AND DISCUSS CITY COUNCIL, COMMITTEE AND BOARD LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS.

I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP THIS AS SHORT AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, UH, BUT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT.

UH, AND, AND I DO WANT TO AT LEAST GIVE IT JUST A TINY BIT OF TIME.

UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD, UH, THIS WAS A, A DUTY I TOOK INCREDIBLY SERIOUSLY.

UM, I DID TAKE THE PREFERENCE LIST THAT WAS, UH, GIVEN TO ME BY EACH MEMBER OF THE TEAM.

UM, I DID MEASURE INDIVIDUAL STRENGTHS, UH, PASSION, AVAILABILITY, UH, AND, AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, UH, ON EACH OF THE DIFFERENT DECISIONS, UH, THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE.

UM, WHAT I WANNA DO, WHICH MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL, BUT I'M JUST GONNA DO IT REAL QUICK.

UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST GO PERSON BY PERSON AND TALK ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, ASSIGNED TO THEM.

SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN.

UM, WE HAVE YOU ASSIGNED TO THE PARKS AND RECS COMMISSION.

UH, YOU DID A GREAT JOB, UH, IN THE LAST TERM AND THRILLED TO HAVE YOU, UH, BE WILLING TO DO THAT AGAIN FOR US.

UM, UH, HAVING YOU HAVE, UH, BE A MEMBER OF THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE AGAIN, SERVED WELL, UH, LAST GO ROUND AND LIKE TO KEEP YOU AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION THERE.

UH, AND THEN LASTLY, AND, AND DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, UH, AS CHAIRMAN OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, UH, YOU DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB.

I HEARD FROM TOO MANY PEOPLE ALMOST, UH, UH, UH, THAT, THAT YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND YOU HAD GREAT INSIGHT.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THERE.

AND I, UH, AM THRILLED THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE THAT SERVICE.

UH, MOVING ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER DORIAN, UM, ONCE AGAIN SERVED ADMIRABLY, UH, ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE.

AND, UM, IT IS A DETAILED EFFORT AND, AND JUST TO HAVE YOU BE WILLING TO KIND OF DO IT AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

UM, YOU'VE BEEN A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN OUR CITY AND YOU PROBABLY GO TO, UH, MORE, UH, CHAMBER MEETINGS AND RIBBON CUTTINGS THAN I THINK ANYONE, UH, APOLOGIZE IF SOMEONE DOES SUPERSEDE 'EM.

UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE THERE FOR THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS, UH, TO BE A PART OF IT.

AND, UH, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, SERVING ON THE ARTS COMMISSION FOR EIGHT YEARS, YOURSELF AS A, AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT, UH, AND BEING LIAISON LAST TERM, UH, YOU HAVE JUST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PASSION, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR CAUSE.

AND, UM, YOUR CREATIVITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE JUST REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE THERE.

SO, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THAT WAY.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, SHA, UM, UH, YOU ALSO ARE A BUSINESS OWNER, AND SO HAVING YOU,

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UH, BE A PART OF THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE IS JUST A HUGE VALUE TO US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS, UH, TO, TO SERVE IN THAT WAY.

UH, YOU'RE ALSO INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE ABOUT EDUCATION AND I'M EXCITED, UH, TO HAVE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHAIR THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.

UH, AND THEN LAST AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, YOUR REGIONAL WORK ON THE DALLAS REGIONAL MOBILITY COALITION IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

UH, YOU'RE ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE THIS YEAR AND YOU CONTINUE TO HELP US, UH, THROUGH YOUR SERVICE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARRIOS, UH, YOU, UH, HAD IT LAST TIME AND YOU HAD IT NUMBER ONE, THIS TIME YOU WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE LIBRARY BOARD, UH, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO ARM WRESTLE YOU FOR IT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THERE AND YOUR PASSION THERE.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

AND THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, AGAIN, UM, PROBABLY OTHER THAN COUNCIL MEMBER CORCORAN, UM, UH, WHO LOVES IT, EVERYONE ELSE, IT IS A LOT OF WORK BEING ON THERE.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE A PART OF THAT.

UM, AND THEN LAST AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE TAUGHT BUSINESS AND, UH, I'M EXCITED TO HAVE YOU, UH, TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY OF CHAIRING THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE THIS GO AROUND.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, SERVICE ON ALL THOSE FRONTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE, UM, ON ANY KIND OF SOCIAL MEDIA THAT LOVES ANIMALS MORE THAN YOU DO.

UH, SO YOU PREVIOUS SERVICE AND YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE ON THE ANIMAL SERVICE ADVISORY COMMISSION IS REALLY VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

UM, ALSO, UM, I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WERE INCREDIBLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THE CREATION OF THE INCLUSION AND ENGAGEMENT COMMISSION LAST GO ROUND.

UH, YOU ALL VERY KINDLY SAID, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A SIX-WAY TIE ON SERVING, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, COMMISSION.

UH, BUT I'M I'M REALLY THRILLED, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UM, UB OUR VERY FIRST LIAISON, UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER JUSTICE, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, AND THEN LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UM, AND WE'VE SAID IT HERE BEFORE, BUT LEADERSHIP AND REPRESENTATION MATTER.

AND, UH, YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB REPRESENTING US, UH, UH, THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ON THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

UH, YOU'VE POSITIONED YOURSELF INCREDIBLY WELL, UM, AND, UM, THE, THE LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE, THERE ARE SOMETHING THAT MAKE US ALL PROUD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

AND LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, UH, THE MAYOR PRO TEM, UM, HE'S GONNA HAVE HIS HANDS FULL, TRYING TO HELP FILL ALL THE DIFFERENT HOLES THAT I'M SURE I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FILL ALONG THE WAY.

I ALREADY APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO ALL OF THAT.

UH, YOU ALSO VERY GRACIOUSLY, UH, WERE WILLING TO STEP ASIDE FROM A COUPLE CHAIRMAN ROLES, ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE, UM, LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, UM, UH, BUT, UH, VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT EDUCATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE, UH, WAS IMPORTANT TO US, UH, IN PARTICULAR AS A, UH, PISD MEMBER.

SO, OR PISD RESIDENT, I SHOULD SAY.

SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR PRO TEM FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, UM, SERVE ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, COMMITTEE.

UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, OH, I'M SORRY.

I GUESS I SHOULD, UH, MENTION, UH, THAT, UM, UH, AFTER CON CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UH, THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HE FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE MAYOR, UH, TO SERVE ON.

AND SO, UH, I'M, I'M VERY HAPPY TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE.

UM, THE OTHER FOUR ROLES ARE, UH, VERY TYPICAL MAYORAL ASSIGNMENTS, UH, METROPLEX MAYOR'S ASSOCIATION, UH, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS LIAISON, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD, EX OFFICIO AND LEADERSHIP, RICHARDSON, ADVISORY BOARD, EX OFFICIO.

SO I WILL BE, UH, TAKING ON THOSE ROLES, UH, IN THE COMING TWO YEARS.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT? ALRIGHT, UH, ARE WE OKAY TAKING A SHORT RECESS? UM, WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL? UH, IS 10 MINUTES OKAY? FIVE MINUTES? 10 MINUTES IS FINE.

ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE RECESS AT 8 39, AND WE WILL BE BACK IN 10 MINUTES.